Look, as much as someone might want to be the next big best-selling author or pop music hit-maker, not everyone can be a flourishing artist. For those who want to know how creative types perfect their crafts and find success, podcasts offer an opportunity to listen to behind-the-scenes accounts of everything that went into some of the best stories and songs around. (If you pour yourself a drink, plug in your earbuds, and sit across from a cardboard cut-out, it’s like swapping pro tips over a beer!) And for those who want to move beyond the storytellers they already love, there are podcasts out there for learning about creative processes that are a little harder to understand: using séances to inspire abstract paintings, and people who do their everyday jobs as beauticians, dominatrixes, and barbers like they’re making art.