zooko: zooko: Monero mining, which doesn’t have ASICs. How centralized is it?

Less centralized than any ASIC minable coin thats for sure. The same applies to the tons of GPU-mineable currencies right now, including our own ZCash.

zooko: zooko: I’ve been told that most Monero mining is done by botnets. Is there any way to verify that claim?

Can you share with us who told you this? Do you have data to support this claim? why are we talking about Monero in the first place? it is completely irrelevant to GPU-only-mineable ZCash.

Nobody is asking to copy-paste Monero solution here nor is any mining farm that invested tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars into GPUS, will sell off their GPUS so that they can put that money back into some “botnets” that supposedly are mining majority of XMR according to what you heard.

zooko: zooko: non-ASIC mining as currently practiced in Monero has greater miner centralization than ASIC mining as currently practiced by Bitcoin. Anyone know how to get data on that?

Again, please provide data for your own hypothesis, specially when they make huge claims.

There is no way on earth that having 10000 GPU farms with 10 kSol/s average is going to be more centralized than having 100 ASIC farms with 1000 kSol/s average.

To be honest, this is starting to look a bit like a diversion tactic; The fact that you keep brining XMR to the discussion making unverifiable claims about it while avoiding to talk about the real issue which is completely going back on the promise of asic-resistance that was made by the ZCash network when it launched and completely going against what the community wants. Its making me have even less trust in this coin/team which is a shame but its a great coin.

Why not compare to ETH or other equihash coins? Their teams are clearly against ASIC and they are decentralized since the beginning. Just like ZCash was, and still is (unless we let it die at the hands of bitmain).

The community is clearly ASIC Resistant and so was the original promise of the Zcash network ( which is the reason i and majority of miners hopped on the board in the first place).

Please feel free to read the comments in the +20,000 miner gpu mining subreddit about this issue (which is not the only subreddit this is currently being discussed on).

The choices are clear:

Backing down from the orignal promise of the ZCash network = No more trust in this coin.

going against the clear will of the majority of supporters of the coin = no more miners support the coin.

and this will sadly lead to this coin dying.

OR

taking a proper stand against ASIC as promised and staying true to the community = continued support of the shareholders of the coin, which are the miners.

Its not to late to take make the right choice, but it could be too later very soon…