Broesly Profile Joined November 2010 Romania 22 Posts #1



My name is Broesly and I`ve been around the DotA community since early 2008 and while that doesn't seem much considering how old DotA.is, during my experiences something has come to my attention, which hasn't been discussed in an orderly fashion, especially here, where I think the community is mature and able to really debate the subject.



To start it off, let's all open a DotA competitive website, for example, Gosugamers.net and read the news in the DotA section. What we will observe is the following headlines going back ONLY half a year.



"Moscow 5 disbands DotA division"

"FailMicro takes its leave"

"The Nordics call it a day"

"Maelk and co part ways with MYM"

"DTS drops their DotA squad"

"FEARZ disband"

"Team A calls it quits"



As you might have noticed, during a mere 6 months, 7 major teams have re-shuffled or have disbanded and these are the only ones I could actually find with Gosugamers.net's terrible search engine and I`m sure that a lot of teams have disbanded that weren't newsworthy.



As a manager myself, I have noticed that professionalism has been the missing factor in the Dota competitive scene and quoting MYM's former captain Jacob 'Maelk' Toft-Andersen in an interview a while back for Fragster;



Hello Teamliquid,My name is Broesly and I`ve been around the DotA community since early 2008 and while that doesn't seem much considering how old DotA.is, during my experiences something has come to my attention, which hasn't been discussed in an orderly fashion, especially here, where I think the community is mature and able to really debate the subject.To start it off, let's all open a DotA competitive website, for example, Gosugamers.net and read the news in the DotA section. What we will observe is the following headlines going back ONLY half a year.As you might have noticed, during a mere 6 months, 7 major teams have re-shuffled or have disbanded and these are the only ones I could actually find with Gosugamers.net's terrible search engine and I`m sure that a lot of teams have disbanded that weren't newsworthy.As a manager myself, I have noticed that professionalism has been the missing factor in the Dota competitive scene and quoting MYM's former captain Jacob 'Maelk' Toft-Andersen in an interview a while back for Fragster; You said you wish "a generally more professional scene surround the game". What wasn't or isn't professional all the time in detail?



Maelk: Everything from the players' way of behaving both concerning games, comments and getting matches played to organisations screwing over their teams to tournamentholders not paying out prizes. Everyone are to blame and I doubt it'll ever change cause E-Sports is played by, followed by and most importantly ran by anonymous teenagers.





; We can come to the conclusion that the lack of professionalism in DotA has driven away sponsors and organisations and lead major tournaments like Dreamhack to remove DotA from its events.



With DotA2 I can observe two things. Sponsors are coming back and organisations are giving teams another chance at being professional.



What do you, my fellow Tlers think about the future of DotA2 as an e-Sport, concerning team stabilty.











; We can come to the conclusion that the lack of professionalism in DotA has driven away sponsors and organisations and lead major tournaments like Dreamhack to remove DotA from its events.With DotA2 I can observe two things. Sponsors are coming back and organisations are giving teams another chance at being professional.What do you, my fellow Tlers think about the future of DotA2 as an e-Sport, concerning team stabilty.

Dooba Profile Joined December 2009 Croatia 68 Posts #2 With more money being showed into the game and its' scene, i'm sure we will see more and more older and more mature people coming into it. Because, let's face it, most of it is around the money. Older people need more of it as well, as opposed to teenagers who do it mostly for fun and because they have time. If enough money is going to be circulating the scene, it's gonna get a lot more professional for sure.



The only question is what will come first. "Zergs are really stronger. I use to win 60-70%, now it is 40-50. I am switching to civilization 5 for now until any terran can come up with a better tactics."

Numy Profile Joined June 2010 South Africa 3690 Posts #3 I don't have too much knowledge about the Dota 1 scene but I think the reason for a lot of instability now is because the Dota scene is in kinda a transition phase. No one really knows what's happening and there isn't really a big player base in dota 2 yet there is a lot of money flooding over there. I think once the game comes out things will start to stabilize.



In terms of professionalism I have no idea, from my limited experience it seems like pros tend to be rather callous in pub games so don't know if that's an isolated thing or merely a piece of a bigger mindset.

WTFZerg Profile Joined February 2011 United States 39 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 13:45:19 #4 I think, and I hope, that DoTA 2 will do for the DoTA community what SC2 did for the SC community. It will generate a massive influx of interest, meaning a metric shitload of sponsors willing to invest in and sponsor teams.



Might makes right.

Kaiko Profile Joined September 2010 60 Posts #5 The fact it's such a heavy team game is probably the reason for this. If one player outshines his team, resentment would follow because he has to do more of the work. If all players are equal, than it's still a problem because DotA somehow breeds superiority complexes.



That's how I see it anyway. I have most fun playing with my friends, but back when I was at/near competitive level of play I wouldn't have wanted to take them with me into a formal, competitive match-up. Even though I enjoy playing with them, I could never have become a team with them because of the varying skill levels.

cilinder007 Profile Joined August 2010 Slovenia 3239 Posts #6 On November 15 2011 23:42 Kaiko wrote:

The fact it's such a heavy team game is probably the reason for this. If one player outshines his team, resentment would follow because he has to do more of the work. If all players are equal, than it's still a problem because DotA somehow breeds superiority complexes.



That's how I see it anyway. I have most fun playing with my friends, but back when I was at/near competitive level of play I wouldn't have wanted to take them with me into a formal, competitive match-up. Even though I enjoy playing with them, I could never have become a team with them because of the varying skill levels.

thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...



saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol

Kaiko Profile Joined September 2010 60 Posts #7 On November 15 2011 23:49 cilinder007 wrote:

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On November 15 2011 23:42 Kaiko wrote:

The fact it's such a heavy team game is probably the reason for this. If one player outshines his team, resentment would follow because he has to do more of the work. If all players are equal, than it's still a problem because DotA somehow breeds superiority complexes.



That's how I see it anyway. I have most fun playing with my friends, but back when I was at/near competitive level of play I wouldn't have wanted to take them with me into a formal, competitive match-up. Even though I enjoy playing with them, I could never have become a team with them because of the varying skill levels.

thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...



saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol



The ridiculous salaries involved in professional sports kinda makes a difference. They don't have those in DotA. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's probably one of the reasons. The ridiculous salaries involved in professional sports kinda makes a difference. They don't have those in DotA. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's probably one of the reasons.

cilinder007 Profile Joined August 2010 Slovenia 3239 Posts #8 On November 15 2011 23:52 Kaiko wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 15 2011 23:49 cilinder007 wrote:

On November 15 2011 23:42 Kaiko wrote:

The fact it's such a heavy team game is probably the reason for this. If one player outshines his team, resentment would follow because he has to do more of the work. If all players are equal, than it's still a problem because DotA somehow breeds superiority complexes.



That's how I see it anyway. I have most fun playing with my friends, but back when I was at/near competitive level of play I wouldn't have wanted to take them with me into a formal, competitive match-up. Even though I enjoy playing with them, I could never have become a team with them because of the varying skill levels.

thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...



saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol thats just a very very immature way to look at it, I mean just look at every team sport like basketball, there's always a player that outshines everyone and there its even more obviouse unlike in dota where you play different roles...saying it cant be proffesional because of varying skill level in a team is just lol



The ridiculous salaries involved in professional sports kinda makes a difference. They don't have those in DotA. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's probably one of the reasons. The ridiculous salaries involved in professional sports kinda makes a difference. They don't have those in DotA. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it's probably one of the reasons.

ofcouse salaries make a huge difference compared to other sports, or even esports, I dont even know if most dota players on team even get salaries, but different skill level within a team has nothing to do with it ofcouse salaries make a huge difference compared to other sports, or even esports, I dont even know if most dota players on team even get salaries, but different skill level within a team has nothing to do with it

Blitz Profile Joined April 2011 United States 324 Posts #9 depends on whats at stake. teams regularly break up due to infighting, etc, because they feel it isnt worth it to stay together. with the influx of money and more tournaments like the clash and the defense, hopefully we'll see more teams stick together. our team last night had a discussion in which we laid out our goals, practice times, and an agreement to try and talk to each other at all times about issues, so they dont just bubble up and explode. id never done that with a team before, but the interest the general public has in the game, and the steady tournaments means we finally have a reason to do things more professionally. Caster [13:42:40] <13@mTw|syndereN|jD> Upvotes? ^_>

Kragx Profile Joined February 2010 Denmark 63 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 18:33:37 #10 I don't think the top teams break down because some feel that they are better than the rest. Either because of infights (usually among newly formed teams consisting of long time top players) or because of RL issues (mainly in teams that made their way to the top from 'nowhere').



edit: btw OP, you were manager for TEG weren't you? Or what team was it back then? I have a few on my mind, but I can't remember which one :D

Zlasher Profile Joined February 2010 United States 782 Posts #11 It's such a high tension team game that moves happen a lot, I mean for every time you mention all these disbandings you have to remember that MYM picked up the Scythe.SG squad, and SK, Fnatic, and EG have picked UP teams, and coL should be soon to follow among other organizations. Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher

Broesly Profile Joined November 2010 Romania 22 Posts #12 On November 16 2011 03:32 Kragx wrote:

I don't think the top teams break down because some feel that they are better than the rest. Either because of infights (usually among newly formed teams consisting of long time top players) or because of RL issues (mainly in teams that made their way to the top from 'nowhere').



edit: btw OP, you were manager for TEG weren't you? Or what team was it back then? I have a few on my mind, but I can't remember which one :D





I managed IGG then DDT (LOST.DotA) I managed IGG then DDT (LOST.DotA)

Mikey Profile Joined January 2011 United States 79 Posts #13 All of those teams disbanded in preparation for DotA2 beta, they had nothing left to do in DotA because the competitive scene here in the west died out once DotA2 was announced. The stability in DotA2 should be amazing in my opinion (at least in Europe, America has some work to do).



just my 2 cents on the subject of stability in this game. Please watch my DotA2 Stream: www.twitch.tv/Mikey -- Member of Team Quantic's DotA2 division :) !

Leeoku Profile Joined May 2010 205 Posts #14 i thought dota was still alive in europe... in the sense they just had to go to asian countries for tournies?