LiquidDota Podcast - Pilot May 11th, 2015 16:20 GMT Text by Julmust Graphics by Lip Comarella LiquidDota Podcast - Pilot Episode

Welcome to the pilot episode of the LiquidDota Podcast! LiquidDota writer Aegis acts as host in this show and every episode he will be joined by LiquidDota staff as well as professional players who will try to give their insight into the Dota 2 scene and its current events.



In this first episode he's joined by staff members OmniEulogy, Jinxed, and Tephus as well as Root Gaming's monkeys-forever. They discuss the teams already invited to Seattle, but also have a look at the qualifiers, giving their thought on both the invite qualifiers and the open qualifiers. Tune in and listen to what they think.



Please keep in mind that this is a pilot episode for the show, so we are looking for a lot of feedback of you guys. What do you think of the format? Is this something you would listen to on a regular basis? If not, then why? Let us know so we can improve!







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CREDITS

Hosts: Aegis

Guests: OmniEulogy, Jinxed, Tephus, monkeys-forever

Banner GFX: Lip Comarella

Welcome to the pilot episode of the LiquidDota Podcast! LiquidDota writer Aegis acts as host in this show and every episode he will be joined by LiquidDota staff as well as professional players who will try to give their insight into the Dota 2 scene and its current events.In this first episode he's joined by staff members OmniEulogy, Jinxed, and Tephus as well as Root Gaming's monkeys-forever. They discuss the teams already invited to Seattle, but also have a look at the qualifiers, giving their thought on both the invite qualifiers and the open qualifiers. Tune in and listen to what they think.Please keep in mind that this is a pilot episode for the show, so we are looking for a lot of feedback of you guys. What do you think of the format? Is this something you would listen to on a regular basis? If not, then why? Let us know so we can improve!



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Whiplash Profile Joined October 2008 United States 126 Posts #2 Nice, got something to listen to on my walk to the gym :D Former professional broadcaster. Back in college to get a degree, then back to e-Sports!

FO-nTTaX Profile Joined January 2013 Johto 373 Posts #3 having a video without actual image seems weird to me (or is there an image that just does not work with my setup?) Administrator @FO_nTTaX | FO-nTTaX.de | liquipedia.space | Liquipedia Lead Developer

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Plansix Profile Joined April 2011 United States 44957 Posts #4 RSS feed? Itunes? Sound Cloud? I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6

Julmust Profile Joined November 2008 Sweden 2183 Posts #5 On May 12 2015 01:35 Plansix wrote:

RSS feed? Itunes? Sound Cloud?

Pilot episode, but yeah we're working on it Pilot episode, but yeah we're working on it Administrator I'm dancing in the moonlight

Plansix Profile Joined April 2011 United States 44957 Posts #6 I would recommend sound cloud if you don't go the full RSS feed route. The App for IOS solid and can be linked to through twitter. I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6

Micro_Jackson Profile Joined August 2011 Germany 39 Posts #7 This is great!

dukes Profile Joined September 2010 United Kingdom 2 Posts #8 The length of the podcast isn't showing up for me (when playing directly in browser, although I'm not sure if this is just Opera lacking that) so stating the length would be good, along with a contents type list of what topics are discussed at what times please!

Merany Profile Joined February 2011 France 314 Posts #9 Haaaa, reminds me of good old State of the Game, that would save my life a couple days a week, while I was bored to death during public transports. Will listen to it and give you a feedback later on!

s.a.y Profile Joined October 2007 Croatia 77 Posts #10 This is awesome and thank you.



Very fun listening, great atmosphere and interesting. I am not good with quotes

lolnoty Profile Joined December 2005 United States 6374 Posts #11 Biggest complaint would just be sorting out all of the sound level issues. Some mics sound like they are shouting across the room, some I feel like I'm in their nose or mouth, sensitivity has throat clearing drowning out the host yelling etc. "PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy

spudde123 Profile Joined February 2012 4661 Posts #12 Alright I'm gonna be picky and do a bit of complaining.



I think as a format it's interesting if done well and definitely something I would try listening. There aren't really many people having a reasonable discussion about tournaments, teams or whatever you choose to concentrate on, so I think there's space to get people interested.



But who is the target audience for the podcast? If the goal for the podcast is to be interesting to people who follow the scene pretty closely, then I think there needs to be a higher standard of preparation. I listened to this episode, and for example when discussing results and rosters of teams I felt the discussion was rather superficial and even misrepresented teams on several occasions. I thought the atmosphere in the podcast was nice, but I think there was a bit too much of one person telling what he wanted to say and others not objecting or saying anything further. Not sure if that was the plan from the start, but at least when someone says something silly or incorrect others should step in, as that is also something that then spurs discussions. Someone has one opinion and then they may realize it is based on some random beliefs that aren't really true, which a lot of listeners probably can relate to as well.



For example there was talk of VP's roster instability and them having not played together much, when in reality they in the end only changed 1 player (granted DKPhobos was with NaVi for 1 month or so in between) and otherwise it's the same team as VP Polar/Asus Polar. Meanwhile teams like iG and LGD both changed 2 players, Malaysia just formed this lineup some time ago etc. I don't mean that you didn't mention this with any other teams, but highlighting instability with VP isn't imo representing them accurately when compared to a bunch of other invited teams. Also there was talk of Empire having a very strong record against them, which seems pretty accurate over a longer period of time, but after the addition of G VP is in a slight lead and knocked Empire down in crucial Summit and ESL qualifier games.



Also I found the description of NiP in the qualifiers rather peculiar. "They go to LANs and they don't play well if they qualify for them, they don't qualify for big LANs". Isn't this true for every single team in the EU qualifier? "They don't qualify for big LANs" even holds true for Empire and VP from the European invited teams. I suppose Alliance with their new roster has qualified to high profile events like SL12 and ESL and HR has qualified to some events like DAC before, but I don't think the difference is that significant. NiP also wasn't a replacement for MLG, they qualified even before Empire. As a whole NiP's qualifier results aren't that different from Empire's. They've lost in all qualifiers that have teams like Secret and c9 playing in them, but I think they've qualified to most of the other events, just like Empire. But of course Empire has done better at the actual LANs as they've now won several (most impressively beating EG and VG in the last 2) while NiP has been 3rd or 4th at the same LANs. I don't mean that their results are impressive enough to make them the big favorite in the qualifier, but I don't think results like 3rd at SL11, 3rd at Major Allstars or 3rd at MLG were that bad. They placed really where they were expected to based on earlier play in all 3 of those. Of course the most recent D2CL and that small ESL tournament weren't all that encouraging for NiP.



Also as a last minor thing I found it strange how EG's small number of results in 2015 was said to be due to them not participating in that many events (which is true), but then the same thing isn't said for c9 when I believe they've played 1 tournament more in Redbull (where they lost to Secret of course but still). At least to me it seems that one could easily get the impression that c9 has done poorly in 2015 based on the description, which isn't really true as they've only played in DAC (5th-6th, event was quite soon after the lineup was formed) and SL12 (placing 3rd behind VG and iG), and they've qualified to all future LANs that they wanted to go to. All of EG, Secret and c9 have chosen to skip quite a few events this spring.



So to conclude, I like the idea, I like the atmosphere, but I would like to see more discussion and talk that is based on people looking at the facts more closely than the average listener. Now with several teams I feel they weren't really being represented well, or at least in a way that would bring the listener something they haven't realized before. If there is a pro player as a guest or in this case Monkeys talks about his own team and the NA qualifier, I feel that portion is easy to make interesting to listeners as it is a player talking about his own experiences. But if you are trying to analyze teams or whatever, then I feel you have to really look at the results of different events closely to be able to present the facts in a way that is correct and interesting to the listener.



Anyway I hope you continue doing this, I will listen next time as well.

TheEmulator Profile Joined July 2010 12999 Posts Last Edited: 2015-05-11 19:05:47 #13 I think it's important to point out that this happened quite fast and none of the guests really had time to prepare. Omni mentioned in our staff chat that someone had wanted to do a podcast and asked if any of us would be interested in guest hosting. A few stepped up and helped out that day (or maybe it was the next day but still not a lot of prep time). In the future episodes will probably be more fleshed out and guests will know further ahead of time that they will be on the show, etc, so they can prepare a bit more.



There's already been some internal talk as well about possibly releasing video and podcast versions next time.



Thanks for the criticism though. Administrator

spudde123 Profile Joined February 2012 4661 Posts Last Edited: 2015-05-11 19:21:26 #14 On May 12 2015 04:04 TheEmulator wrote:

I think it's important to point out that this happened quite fast and none of the guests really had time to prepare. Omni mentioned in our staff chat that someone had wanted to do a podcast and asked if any of us would be interested in guest hosting. A few stepped up and helped out that day (or maybe it was the next day but still not a lot of prep time). In the future episodes will probably be more fleshed out and guests will know further ahead of time that they will be on the show, etc, so they can prepare a bit more.



There's already been some internal talk as well about possibly releasing video and podcast versions next time.



Thanks for the criticism though.



Yea, that's perfectly understandable. I guess overall my main point is that I feel for people to listen consistently the podcast has to provide something interesting that makes the listeners engaged. The typical way to accomplish this in esports is probably to get some big name player in and people will listen at least for some episodes no matter whether what he says makes any sense. But even if you don't have names a lot of people recognize, it doesn't mean that their opinions are any less valid. However, in that case I feel you really have to do your homework and show you are knowledgeable and you are worth listening to, because unlike with some random top player there is no real reason to listen again unless the content is really good. I don't think there really is anything like that in dota at least where "neutral observers" keep really up to date with what happens in the scene and talk about it, so in that regard I think something like this could be really interesting at least for me.



Of course I don't know whether that is your intention or if you intend to bring guests in and concentrate more on talking with them. But anyway even without big name guests I would be interested in a podcast if it's well done. Yea, that's perfectly understandable. I guess overall my main point is that I feel for people to listen consistently the podcast has to provide something interesting that makes the listeners engaged. The typical way to accomplish this in esports is probably to get some big name player in and people will listen at least for some episodes no matter whether what he says makes any sense. But even if you don't have names a lot of people recognize, it doesn't mean that their opinions are any less valid. However, in that case I feel you really have to do your homework and show you are knowledgeable and you are worth listening to, because unlike with some random top player there is no real reason to listen again unless the content is really good. I don't think there really is anything like that in dota at least where "neutral observers" keep really up to date with what happens in the scene and talk about it, so in that regard I think something like this could be really interesting at least for me.Of course I don't know whether that is your intention or if you intend to bring guests in and concentrate more on talking with them. But anyway even without big name guests I would be interested in a podcast if it's well done.

StarVe Profile Joined June 2011 Germany 1309 Posts Last Edited: 2015-05-11 19:25:20 #15 Yeah, I see your point. Admittedly, I chuckled a bit to myself when the guy struggled to come up with anything to say about Empire for example and was hastily trying to pull up results or something else, but didn't manage in time.



Probably should have told the guests at least which teams they were supposed to be speaking about before you started recording. :D (or if you did, I guess he just blanked)

dismiss Profile Joined March 2009 United Kingdom 2725 Posts #16 On May 12 2015 04:04 TheEmulator wrote:

I think it's important to point out that this happened quite fast and none of the guests really had time to prepare. Omni mentioned in our staff chat that someone had wanted to do a podcast and asked if any of us would be interested in guest hosting. A few stepped up and helped out that day (or maybe it was the next day but still not a lot of prep time). In the future episodes will probably be more fleshed out and guests will know further ahead of time that they will be on the show, etc, so they can prepare a bit more.



There's already been some internal talk as well about possibly releasing video and podcast versions next time.



Thanks for the criticism though.

Better launch a new series by it having shit prep and production for the first episode already instead of taking your time and doing it right. Is this the TL way now? Instead of taking years for something like TSL and doing it right.



Hehe, at least it'll keep the expectations low fromt he get go. Better launch a new series by it having shit prep and production for the first episode already instead of taking your time and doing it right. Is this the TL way now? Instead of taking years for something like TSL and doing it right.Hehe, at least it'll keep the expectations low fromt he get go. Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit

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Plansix Profile Joined April 2011 United States 44957 Posts #18 On May 12 2015 04:34 Sn0_Man wrote:

cynic clearly didn't watch bambi as a child

Lets all act shocked like this. Those who don't do anything tell other how to do stuff correctly on the internet. Lets all act shocked like this. Those who don't do anything tell other how to do stuff correctly on the internet. I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6

Spicy_Curry Profile Joined March 2011 United States 7410 Posts #19 I think its really wierd that you call people by their first names. It is really confusing for the listener. I just couldnt associate Jared with monkeys immediately, it would always take me a second or two and you dont really ever want that. High Risk Low Reward

dismiss Profile Joined March 2009 United Kingdom 2725 Posts #20 Ye sorry I want TL to do something well again, guess we're well past those days.



But taking a few more days to actually figure out what you want to talk about and prepare proper notes, etc. is an unreasonable expectation for a podcast. I admit all my wrongdoing. Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit

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