since there is some confusion about what is and isn't acceptable behavior, we thought we'd make some clarifications.



no one has a right to be here. if you (censored) around, gank, and troll, we'll boot you. simple as that. this place exists to facilitate fair, fun PvP for all participants and we don't want the negativity that PvP tends to bring around every now and then. yeah, we get it, you enjoy ganking, and that is 100% fine, but please don't do it here. go to CGs if you want to gank asps and HD stacked (censored)-fits. there's a new one every thursday, and they have a nice little yellow icon to help you find them. san tu is not meant to replace the organic PvP of CGs, so if that's what you want, you won't find it here. sorry.



the most important rule that needs to be followed here boils down to this: don't be a (censored). if you can't abide that, you don't belong here. "there's no rule against it" is no longer a valid defense, and disruptive stuff will be handled on a case-by-case basis.



please, don't (censored) around and ruin this. Click to expand...

First off, for those who don't know what this is, its a place where you can go for organized PvP fights, where those taking part agree to certain rules (or no rules if participants agree). Its something some people have been saying for a long time the PvPers should do, and it seems to be working well from what I saw. PvPers can get a real challenge fighting each other, and nobody get's ganked/griefed.Their Discord is here: https://discord.gg/HuShrr3 The main system for battles is San Tu, their group's adopted home system.So, i joined the Discord, said hi, and headed on down there.Ok, so yes, the "carebear" Agony went and did some PvP.First off, i'd like to say something about the tone, maturity, salt levels, and toxicty on their Discord, and i'm pleased to say that I was very pleasantly surprised. If anyone has been on the GCI Discord (ostentiably a place for the PvP experts to teach new PvPers the roles), you may have noted that its a salty hellhole, with lots of immature people, and toxic as hell. Such an evironment i've come to associate with several PvP groups (Not all! Cobra Kai are my adopted PvP group and they are really cool guys). So, the PvP Hub was overall friendly and welcoming. Yes, there were some initial digs, not surprising being a forum moderator and an outspoken PvEer, but shout out to Bazinga (admin) for keeping a lid on it. So, a couple of jerks who tried to provoke things, but it soon settled down.On to the fights. Very simple, plenty of willing people (well, who wouldn't like the chance to kill a moderator?)I had 3 fights.First two were fairly quick, my Anaconda, which is very nice for PvE, didn't stand a chance against PvP kitted ships (although the beer i'd been drinking might have hastened my demise... pip management? What's pip management?). Cost me a cool 40 million, but meh, can make that back within an hour with Palin's missions.Third fight lasted quite a while with my Bomber CM4. Partially because its small and heavily armoured, and partially i think because my opponent wasn't particularly coordinated to start with (and perhaps giving me an easy time). The mines were fun though, and more than once i crippled my own ship with them.Two things the experience did highlight for me:1) A PvE fitted ship is not match for a PvP fitted ship. Still, you can make a PvE ship a PvP ship if you are making a combat ship. It really highlights the problem with balance between combat ships and trade ships (for example) and despite Rinzler's video, i think FD could really do with looking at was of making non-combat ships more survivable vs combat ships.2) My life is not compatible with PvP. Every 2 minutes i'm getting distracted and called away by kids or wife. Love them to bits, but actually getting 10 minutes straight where i can get a fight is a challenge. And sometimes, the wife calling Agony (not my real name) means, come right now, not in 5 minutes when you are finished. Trying to explain to the person you are in combat against you need to break off doesn't go down well sometimes, and the alternatives - just letting go and dying, or menu exiting, are also unpallatable (menu logging is against the rules of the PvP hub by the way).So, while it was fun, and i will now consider making a PvP capable ship for the odd battle, its not something i am likely to spend much time doing. However, i would like to thank the people there as a whole, and specifc thanks to:andfor setting it up (and anyone else who was involved that i'm not aware of)., andfor the fights.Finally, ill just post this announcement from ryan_m on the Discord (censored to conform to forum rules).