Alex06 Profile Joined May 2012 Canada 19 Posts Last Edited: 2015-10-08 04:47:30 #1



David Kim answered a question on Twitter about Ladder maps for LotV once it comes out. Apparently we're keeping Ruins of Seras, Lerilak Crest and Orbital Shipyard, but also getting 4 new ones. Hopefully they modify them a bit before, especially the first 2. What do you guys and gals think? Yeah, we'd like to have the 3 new maps currently in beta + 4 new maps as the 7 maps on 1v1 ladder at the start of void. We will be pushing map diversity quite a bit.



The current overall plan is to evaluate these maps from launch, and potentially swap some out before the start of season 1 next year.



And for custom games, we definitely want to have the wings/hots maps working correctly with void resource changes when the game ships. Our dev team is currently working on this right now.

Source:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3nukep/new_maps_for_lotv_please/cvrevcx Source:

Espartaquen Profile Joined September 2015 88 Posts #2 Lerilak, ohh yes please that ramp is so balanced... so bad to see that blizzard never learns from their badly designed maps



cactus555 Profile Joined October 2015 47 Posts #3 Lerilak is probably perma veto by every terran and protoss, why would this map stay >.<

Dickbutt Profile Joined May 2015 Korea (North) 129 Posts #4 On October 13 2015 08:11 cactus555 wrote:

Lerilak is probably perma veto by every terran and protoss, why would this map stay >.<

Rule of thumb seems to be there's always that one map that everybody and their grandma vetoes because it just plain sucks. Rule of thumb seems to be there's always that one map that everybody and their grandma vetoes because it just plain sucks. 스타일, 스타트, 스베누!

Ve5pa Profile Joined December 2014 United Kingdom 251 Posts #5 If only their was a good map-making community that cared about balance........ .durpa durpa..... gg bliz. Doesn't anyone from Blizzard actually read TL?

Charoisaur Profile Joined August 2014 Germany 13360 Posts #6 On October 13 2015 08:22 Dickbutt wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 13 2015 08:11 cactus555 wrote:

Lerilak is probably perma veto by every terran and protoss, why would this map stay >.<

Rule of thumb seems to be there's always that one map that everybody and their grandma vetoes because it just plain sucks. Rule of thumb seems to be there's always that one map that everybody and their grandma vetoes because it just plain sucks.

that's what DK understands under "variety" that's what DK understands under "variety" INnoVation

shin_toss Profile Joined May 2010 Philippines 2586 Posts #7 finally new maps. Orbital Shipyard sucks too AKMU / IU

gophario Profile Joined July 2011 United States 169 Posts #8 On October 13 2015 08:11 cactus555 wrote:

Lerilak is probably perma veto by every terran and protoss, why would this map stay >.<



Im a zerg and I hate this map too. Crazy how blizzard just never learns how to make a map or atleast form a map pool of good maps from the sea of available community maps. Im a zerg and I hate this map too. Crazy how blizzard just never learns how to make a map or atleast form a map pool of good maps from the sea of available community maps.

alexanderzero Profile Joined June 2008 United States 658 Posts #9 I'm glad that the very worst of the maps are going away (especially Bridgehead, Sweet Jesus that map is awful). I don't like Ruins of Seras though, such a boring, featureless map. I am a tournament organizazer.

-NegativeZero- Profile Joined August 2011 United States 2101 Posts #10 no word on using community maps, so disappointing... i maek map

Champi Profile Joined March 2010 Australia 1422 Posts Last Edited: 2015-10-13 06:27:27 #11 Use community maps, blizzard. Your's are shit. Australian former GM Protoss player for team carnage.Razer

Meavis Profile Blog Joined September 2011 Netherlands 1296 Posts #12 Exactly as expected, doesn't make it any less dissapointing though.



Still curious what they plan for the offseason. Ex organizer of Starcraft Mapmaking Association, currently retired.

HaRuHi Profile Blog Joined November 2010 1219 Posts #13 wow, I need a bigger monitor for Ruins of Seras, minimap sooo tiny.



Lerilak Crest, number 1 vetoed map (I assume), must be because of variety, lets keep it -> blizz logic.

iMrising Profile Blog Joined March 2012 United States 1096 Posts #14 On October 13 2015 16:47 HaRuHi wrote:

wow, I need a bigger monitor for Ruins of Seras, minimap sooo tiny.



Lerilak Crest, number 1 vetoed map (I assume), must be because of variety, lets keep it -> blizz logic.

ikr? don't forget about infernal pools... ikr? don't forget about infernal pools... $O$ | soO

Nerchio Profile Joined October 2009 Poland 2628 Posts #15 3 terrible maps stay, wohoo Progamer "I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.

GreenMash Profile Joined August 2012 Norway 1746 Posts #16 Sad, the maps in the beta have been played to death by the people who have played it since release and arent very well balanced I love hellbats

JCoto Profile Joined October 2014 Spain 561 Posts #17 And still the econ is not to be changed in any way, throwing away years of good/interesting maps.

PinoKotsBeer Profile Joined February 2014 Netherlands 1377 Posts Last Edited: 2015-10-13 09:20:44 #18 "The current overall plan is to evaluate these maps from launch, and potentially swap some out before the start of season 1 next year."



Does that mean we get one more HOTS season? That would be great! http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer

Meavis Profile Blog Joined September 2011 Netherlands 1296 Posts Last Edited: 2015-10-13 09:26:27 #19

From there on there are only 4 possible scenarios and 2 possible outcomes, (please ignore how broad good/bad is, thats a whole different discussion).

scenario 1: the maps are bad and good maps are rotated in, no problem.

scenario 2: the maps are bad and bad maps are rotated in, sucks, but still no problem.

scenario 3: the maps are good and good maps are rotated in, no problem.

scenario 4: the maps are good and bad maps are rotated in, big problem.



why is scenario 4 a big problem? because both its outcomes result in problems in the current system.

possibility 1: out of the 7 maps, 3 good but old maps are kept, now theres a healthy mix, but a portion of maps are outplayed and stale, as they've allready had half a year worth of play, and will now see an entire year of competitive starcraft

possibility 2: out of the 7 maps, the older but good maps are swapped out, now theres an entire map pool of unstable maps, but here's the real kicker, assuming the old ones are kept, 6/7 of these maps will span half a year or 2/3rds of a year of competitive starcraft. .



A thing I think is worth mentioning again, as I have in the past, is Blizzard horrible method of rotating maps, a map pool of 7 where 3 are guaranteed to be kept gives issues, especialy when the rotation period is a 3month interval.From there on there are only 4 possible scenarios and 2 possible outcomes, (please ignore how broad good/bad is, thats a whole different discussion).scenario 1: the maps are bad and good maps are rotated in, no problem.scenario 2: the maps are bad and bad maps are rotated in, sucks, but still no problem.scenario 3: the maps are good and good maps are rotated in, no problem.scenario 4: the maps are good and bad maps are rotated in, big problem.why is scenario 4 a big problem? because both its outcomes result in problems in the current system.possibility 1: out of the 7 maps, 3 good but old maps are kept, now theres a healthy mix, but a portion of maps are outplayed and stale, as they've allready had half a year worth of play, and will now seepossibility 2: out of the 7 maps, the older but good maps are swapped out, now theres an entire map pool of unstable maps, but here's the real kicker, assuming the old ones are kept, On October 13 2015 18:15 PinoKotsBeer wrote:

"The current overall plan is to evaluate these maps from launch, and potentially swap some out before the start of season 1 next year."



Does that mean we get one more HOTS season? That would be great!



I think it means LotV launch and the so called off-season will be the LotV beta map pool, but theres no certainty. I think it means LotV launch and the so called off-season will be the LotV beta map pool, but theres no certainty. Ex organizer of Starcraft Mapmaking Association, currently retired.

Valon Profile Joined June 2011 United States 329 Posts #20 On October 13 2015 16:49 iMrising wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 13 2015 16:47 HaRuHi wrote:

wow, I need a bigger monitor for Ruins of Seras, minimap sooo tiny.



Lerilak Crest, number 1 vetoed map (I assume), must be because of variety, lets keep it -> blizz logic.

ikr? don't forget about infernal pools... ikr? don't forget about infernal pools...



The funny part about that was there was 8 maps in the beta pool. They loved inferno pools so mcuh they expanded the map pool from 7 to 8 so they could keep it.

The funny part about that was there was 8 maps in the beta pool. They loved inferno pools so mcuh they expanded the map pool from 7 to 8 so they could keep it.

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