GORDON: Absolutely. When I first met you, you were certainly playing around with the androgynous look. You had your hair really short.

SEVIGNY: That was very in vogue then—the whole grunge, androgynous thing, and I was really involved in the club-kid scene. I had really short hair, and I looked very, very boyish. I remember when we met in ’92. You called my house and we talked about doing the video and being naked in it.

GORDON: Oh, yeah.

SEVIGNY: That video kind of set the tone for the rest of my career. [laughs] Playing a girl on the street . . . It paralleled a bit of what was to come in my life and even what was happening around us then. The storyline of the video matched what was going on in fashion at the time.

GORDON: You’re right. It was so coincidental that Marc Jacobs’s collection was the grunge collection that year. It was so weird how that all fell into place.

SEVIGNY: Do you have any pieces from that collection? Because we wouldn’t have worn it then.

GORDON: No, I don’t think so. I mean, it wasn’t really grunge at all.

SEVIGNY: No, it wasn’t really grunge. I remember it was all that R. Crumb stuff. It was like beaded R. Crumb and the T-shirt dress style.

GORDON: I just remember some green plaid stuff, and cashmere long underwear.

SEVIGNY: Then [in 1998] I did another Sonic Youth video [“Sunday”] with Macaulay Culkin. I did the costumes on that one. And Harmony [Korine] was the director. Harmony, oh, the vision.

GORDON: I wasn’t in that one with the ballet dancers.

SEVIGNY: And Macaulay Culkin kissing his then-wife or fiancée.

GORDON: This might be a bad question, but everyone thinks of themselves pretty much as being a certain age on the inside. For example, I don’t think of myself as being as old as I am. Obviously identity is hard to place after a certain age and one thing about getting older is that I have to sort of ask myself, Can I still wear this? Or I wonder, When am I going to start dressing my age?

SEVIGNY: I’ve been thinking about that a little bit.

GORDON: So I wonder, do you have some idea about how you would want to dress in your late 50s or in your 60s? Do you look at the older women walking around the streets in New York? I struggle with it.

SEVIGNY: I’m kind of the opposite. I see women in Tompkins Square [Park] with their kids and they’re still in their combat boots and they still have a weird hair color, and they’re wearing funky, cool glasses, and I hope when I’m that age I’ll still be representing and I won’t have gone over to the conservative side.