A member of Kardinal Kink Hey, Ann Coulter! Did you hear about the kinky Stanford students? In an exclusive conversation with Salon, Stanford's kinksters talk about seeking university approval

The bad news came in late February. An application to have Stanford University officially recognize a 60-member student kink club was rejected -- for now. In an email, a representative for the Student Organization Review Committee, which is made up of students and staff, wrote that they "liked the concept of your proposal but did not feel that as submitted it sufficiently met the criteria for a new student organization." She encouraged the group to apply again next quarter with a revised proposal.

"We’re disappointed, but we’re not surprised," said "Jon," a Stanford junior and member of the group, Kardinal Kink, which was started in April of last year. When asked why they weren't surprised by the rejection, Lily Z., the club's president, explained in an email, "We're not surprised by the culture we live in. Our society is a place where kink is expected to be rejected, expected to be pushed back down when it comes up -- and Stanford is no exception." In another email, Jon argued that they were “rejecting us as a group for the same reasons LGBT-type groups were getting rejected a few decades ago.”

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When I contacted Nanci Howe, associate dean of students, she expressed surprise to be hearing from a reporter, as "the students are still in the process of applying to be a student group." There are three responses to applications, she said: They are accepted, told to re-apply or rejected. "It's common for groups to be asked for more detail about their proposal," she said. "The majority of groups that provide additional information become recognized student groups."

So, Stanford is hardly taking a hard line against kink. In fact, a kink lecture series has already been allowed on campus. But the students feel that their application was held to higher standards because of the taboo nature of their club.

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Lily shared the committee's email with Salon, along with rebuttals for each point. The committee requested "better clarity about the scope of your group, especially in regards to clarity about your group's hoped for activities." She says the application made that clear in its first sentence, which read, "Kardinal Kink is both a support group and an advocacy group: a supportive anonymous space for Stanford students to explore kink themes safely and a public effort to campaign for resources, research, and respect for kink by promoting a positive and accurate understanding of kink sexuality on campus."

Imagining the university's worst fear, I asked whether their "hoped for activities" included, well, nudity or sex. "Absolutely not. No nudity, no sexual contact," said “Helena,” a Stanford sophomore and founder of Kardinal Kink. "These are discussion groups, they’re support groups. There are lots of support groups on campus and this is just another one." Kardinal Kink also features guest lecturers. "We have well-known educators who have put their lives toward trying to educate people about sexuality and communication, come to campus … and teach us these skills that 20-year-olds may not be able to teach to each other," she explains.

As Jon put it, "I don’t think that the educational source for kink should be ‘Fifty Shades of Grey.' I think it should be well-informed professionals and like-minded people that come together to educate.”

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The committee's email also asked that the group "find an experienced staff advisor who can ... regularly work [with] you and your leadership, assisting you in developing best practices for your activities." Lily argues, "This is not a requirement for Student Organizations" -- indeed, a staff adviser is not listed as official criteria for approval -- "it's just a hoop to jump through." She added, "They think it's going to be nigh impossible to find faculty ready to ascribe their name to a Kink student group, hence why they put this out there." The email also suggests they "propose a name that is more in line with your group proposal," and "develop a risk management plan for your group and its activities," which Lily calls "ambiguous" and "not a requirement."

There is plenty of precedent for schools recognizing such clubs, even at Ivy Leagues like Princeton, Columbia, Yale and Harvard. So too is there precedent for controversy.

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In 2012, Harvard officially recognized its group of 30 students who met to discuss issues relating to kinky sex. The decision made international headlines. The Daily Mail wrote, “A Harvard student group that relishes in conversations about erotic sex has been officially recognized by the prestigious university.” Relishes in conversations about erotic sex? Not exactly. The group’s constitution states that it “exists to promote a positive and accurate understanding of kinky sexuality on campus, as well as to create a space where students may feel accepted in their own sexuality" and "creates a space where students may discuss problems in their own relationships, up to and including abuse and assault." How debauched.

In 2006, a New York Daily News reporter went undercover at meetings of Conversio Virium, Columbia’s officially recognized student-run BDSM education group. The resulting article was framed as a salacious gotcha: “It calls itself a ‘discussion group’ that provides ‘education and peer support’ and promotes ‘safe, sane and consensual play,’” wrote the reporter. “But the club doesn't just talk.” The article went on to describe how the reporter sat in "a venerable classroom building where Columbia students have studied Poe, Plato and Plutarch for nearly 100 years” and watched as “a female student volunteer stood facing the blackboard” and a BDSM educator “flogged her repeatedly with leather whips, rubber hoses -- and a cat-o'-nine-tails.” (Note that the article didn't say anything about the student being unclothed.) The article got lots of media play -- including on Fox News, where the group and university were mocked by none other than Ann Coulter.

Official recognition for Kardinal Kink would not only lend the organization legitimacy but also mean "funding for speakers and group events," the "ability to reserve rooms" and "work with other student groups," and the right to advertise" on campus," Jon said. It would also help with their other aims, said Helena: "We would like to have resources that students with questions about kink can go to in the health center, where there currently isn’t any," she says. "Since we’re on the best research campus in the world we hope to push research into kink, a topic that doesn’t get a lot of attention from academia despite the huge population that it reflects.”

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Without advertising the group, Kardinal Kink has gained over 60 members, simply by word of mouth. "So many people have already joined that it’s indicative of this unmet need on this campus," says Helena. As for whether Stanford can agree, the members of Kardinal Kink will have to find out when they apply next quarter.