“We used to invite him to our book parties,” Scarborough continued. “He never talked about himself. He'd come in and go, 'Hey, Mika Brzezinski's book, “Knowing Your Value,” the greatest book since the Gutenberg Bible.' ”

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Brzezinski described the Trump she knew privately as “very kind,” and Scarborough said they “could tell a lot of stories about how this guy was genuinely kind — helped immigrants, actually, that Mika knew, all of these things. But for some reason, he can't show it on TV.”

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Meyers observed that Trump seemed to be the opposite of many celebrities, who are charming in public but rude behind the scenes.

Scarborough and Brzezinski agreed that the first two months of Trump's presidency have been worse than they expected — “far worse,” according to Brzezinski. “It's almost at the point of no return,” she said.

Worse than expected is kind of a remarkable appraisal, considering that Scarborough asked at one point during Trump's campaign: “Is this what Germany looked like in 1933?”

What could be worse than that?