The JS Party podcast just had a fun episode where they debated this classic question by splitting into two groups of two. Each group was assigned a “side” of this debate, and then let loose to debate it. I don’t think anybody can listen to a show like this and not be totally flooded with thoughts! Here are mine.

This is one of those holy war arguments that has raged on for years. Perhaps that’s because people are seeking an answer that applies to the entire web , and the web is too big to pin this broad of an answer to.

, and the web is to pin this broad of an answer to. The question itself worth a look. Why are we talking about hamstringing our sites in this particular way ? Should our websites work without HTML? Should our websites work without databases? Perhaps we focus on JavaScript the most because JavaScript has become the largest bottleneck of web performance (even more so than the network!) and we experience failed JavaScript more so than any other type of web failure (except, perhaps, entire sites not loading) (or icons fonts, jeez).

? Should our websites work without HTML? Should our websites work without databases? Perhaps we focus on JavaScript the most because JavaScript has become the largest bottleneck of web performance (even more so than the network!) and we failed JavaScript more so than any other type of web failure (except, perhaps, entire sites not loading) (or icons fonts, jeez). I enjoyed all the stumbling around the terminology of “web apps” and “web sites” (web things!). This is such a weird one. It’s so easy to picture the difference in your head: it’s like facebook versus a blog! But when you start trying to define it exactly, it gets really murky really quickly and the distinction loses any value, if it had any to start with. Here’s more on that.

Accessibility is certainly involved in all conversation about the web, but it probably can’t be broadly applied here. There is a notion that assistive tech doesn’t run JavaScript — so a site that requires JavaScript to use it is a 100% fail for those users. Best I know, that’s entirely not the case anymore. We can debate to death the role of JavaScript in accessibility problems, but just because a particular site requires JavaScript to run doesn’t by itself render the site inaccessible.

It’s easy enough to flip off JavaScript, browse around the web, find broken things, and chinflip them for this apparent failure. The failure being that this site, or a feature on the site, could have been architected to work without JavaScript. Rule of least power. This is tricky. It’s easy not to care about a person who has intentionally disabled a part of their web browser and still wants everything to work. I straight up don’t care about that. But the resiliency part is more interesting. If you do build a part of a site to work without JavaScript, it will work both before and after the JavaScript executes, which is pretty great.

part is more interesting. If you do build a part of a site to work without JavaScript, it will work both before and after the JavaScript executes, which is pretty great. The concept of building functional content and features without JavaScript and enhancing the experience with JavaScript is called progressive enhancement . I’m both a fan and careful not to insist that everything on earth is always to be built that way (see top bullet point). There are situations where progressive enhancement both increases and reduces technical debt. The only wide brush I’d use here is to say that it’s worth doing until the debt is too high.

. I’m both a fan and careful not to insist that everything on earth is always to be built that way (see top bullet point). There are situations where progressive enhancement both increases and reduces technical debt. The only wide brush I’d use here is to say that it’s worth doing until the debt is too high. There is an in-between moment with progressive enhancement. If a feature is functional without JavaScript, that means it’s likely you are deferring the loading of that JavaScript for the performance benefit. But it does eventually need to be downloaded and executed. What happens during that time? There is a performance and UX cost there. Best case, it’s negligible. Worst case, you break the feature during this in-between time.

with progressive enhancement. If a feature is functional without JavaScript, that means it’s likely you are deferring the loading of that JavaScript for the performance benefit. But it does eventually need to be downloaded and executed. What happens during that time? There is a performance and cost there. Best case, it’s negligible. Worst case, you break the feature during this in-between time. I find it more interesting to debate this kind of thing on a site-by-site and feature-by-feature basis. Application holotypes might be an interesting way to scope it. They often turned to Slack as an example which is a perfect choice. How would you build a 20-author movie review site? How you would architect a social and media-heavy site like Dribbble? How do you build dropdown navigation? What about a one-page brochure site where the client wants parallax? How about an airline app that needs a native mobile app as well? And of course, it makes you think about sites you work on yourself. Does CodePen run on the right set of technologies? Does CSS-Tricks?

If a site is “client-side rendered” ( CSR ), that means JavaScript is doing the data fetching and creating the DOM and all that. If we’re talking about websites “working” or not with or without JavaScript, a site that is client-side rendered will 100% fail without JavaScript. It is sort of the opposite of “server-side rendered” ( SSR ) in which the document comes down as HTML right from the server. SSR is almost certainly faster for a first-loading experience. CSR , typically, is faster to move around the site after loading (think “single page app,” or SPA ).

), that means JavaScript is doing the data fetching and creating the DOM and all that. If we’re talking about websites “working” or not with or without JavaScript, a site that is client-side rendered will 100% fail without JavaScript. It is sort of the opposite of “server-side rendered” ( ) in which the document comes down as HTML right from the server. is almost certainly faster for a first-loading experience. , typically, is faster to move around the site after loading (think “single page app,” or ). It’s not just SSR vs. CSR — there is a whole spectrum. It’s more and more common to see sites try to take advantage of the best of both worlds. For example, Next/Nuxt/Gatsby, or Ember’s fastboot.

vs. — there is a whole spectrum. It’s more and more common to see sites try to take advantage of the best of both worlds. For example, Next/Nuxt/Gatsby, or Ember’s fastboot. Service workers are JavaScript. Web workers are JavaScript. Some of the fancy resilience and performance features of the web are powered by the same technology that causes the grief we debate about.