

n2jtx

join:2001-01-13

Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member Magic? Maybe they are planning to click their shoes together and repeat over and over "the deal will happen, the deal will happen". Either that or a substantial portion of that $38 billion is being redirected to bribes/payoffs politician "education".

FrontirCynic

join:2006-10-25

Long Beach, CA 78.5 96.3

FrontirCynic Member Re: Magic? said by n2jtx: Maybe they are planning to click their shoes together and repeat over and over "the deal will happen, the deal will happen". Either that or a substantial portion of that $38 billion is being redirected to bribes/payoffs politician "education".

the way things work now is in soundbites. You just repeat your talking points no matter what. Someone asks you a question just repeat the talking point over and over and over. Sadly it works with most people



IPPlanMan

Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20

Washington, DC 1 edit IPPlanMan Member How nice...



AT&T: 15 LTE cities online by end of 2011

vs.

Verizon: 190 LTE cities online by December 15



As of December 5th, Verizon marked its 1 year deployment anniversary for LTE. Hey AT&T! Verizon did this in a year. What have you been doing?



AT&T has really dug itself into a hole in this town. I don't think anyone even wants its cupcakes anymore:

»www.weeklystandard.com/b ··· 064.html Gee AT&T, I wonder how you managed to accumulate all that money.... How about a hint?.... It's because you've been sitting on network upgrades and buildouts.AT&T: 15 LTE cities online by end of 2011vs.Verizon: 190 LTE cities online by December 15As of December 5th, Verizon marked its 1 year deployment anniversary for LTE. Hey AT&T! Verizon did this in a year. What have you been doing?AT&T has really dug itself into a hole in this town. I don't think anyone even wants its cupcakes anymore:

sparks

join:2001-07-08

Little Rock, AR sparks Member Re: How nice... I guess they realized the bribed the wrong people.

Now they have a new list of politicians that are on the bribe list and going to get this done.



money...they make over a billion a month.

No upgrades and no service makes them very rich.

openbox9

Premium Member

join:2004-01-26

71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: How nice... AT&T is sitting on ~$10B in cash with ~$70B in debt. It will require additional resources to complete this acquisition.



frenchfry

@bellsouth.net frenchfry to IPPlanMan

Anon to IPPlanMan

With AT&T falling dead last in the Consumer Reports nationwide test report.



Also the statment "AT&T didn't make the number-one spot in any of Consumer Reports 22 listed U.S. metropolitan areas.". With this being the second year to get a poor report card shows that the network is not top priority.



Until they start losing customers they will go on as is.

openbox9

Premium Member

join:2004-01-26

71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: How nice... said by frenchfry : Until they start losing customers they will go on as is. Bingo. This is what so many people around forums like this fail to understand. AT&T continues to add subs. Until that reverses, there's little motivation for AT&T to adjust its strategy.



MSauk

MSauk

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join:2002-01-17

Sandy, UT MSauk to IPPlanMan

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said by IPPlanMan: Gee AT&T, I wonder how you managed to accumulate all that money.... How about a hint?.... It's because you've been sitting on network upgrades and buildouts.



AT&T: 15 LTE cities online by end of 2011

vs.

Verizon: 190 LTE cities online by December 15



As of December 5th, Verizon marked its 1 year deployment anniversary for LTE. Hey AT&T! Verizon did this in a year. What have you been doing?



AT&T has really dug itself into a hole in this town. I don't think anyone even wants its cupcakes anymore:

»www.weeklystandard.com/b ··· 064.html





They are so far behind the times it is disgusting. Their coverage is awful. Plus again look at Verizon's 3G coverage map vs ATT. That is another build area where ATT basically did nothing.They are so far behind the times it is disgusting. Their coverage is awful.



No to ESPN

@sbcglobal.net No to ESPN Anon Maybe it is Time to Breakup AT&T Again Instead of merging maybe ma bell 2 needs to be taken apart.



Also all the people who got bribe money should report it to the IRS or be arrested for prostitution.

openbox9

Premium Member

join:2004-01-26

71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Maybe it is Time to Breakup AT&T Again AT&T isn't Ma Bell. Besides, the telecommunications environment is different now compared to 70s & 80s.



PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13

Baltimore, MD PapaMidnight Member Re: Maybe it is Time to Breakup AT&T Again The way they've been playing acquisitions, if they were to acquire T-Mobile, they might as well be.

openbox9

Premium Member

join:2004-01-26

71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Maybe it is Time to Breakup AT&T Again How so? Honest question. Several people like to repeat the "we need to break up Ma Bell again" rhetoric, but I'd really like know how people seriously envision dicing up AT&T and what they realistically expect to gain from such an action.

xrobertcmx

Premium Member

join:2001-06-18

White Plains, MD xrobertcmx Premium Member Re: Maybe it is Time to Breakup AT&T Again That is an interesting question. I really don't see a point to breaking them up. Before any break up it is basically operating as a duopoly in the local phone market, a duopoly in those markets it offers TV/internet in, and faces very little competition on the cell phone front.

Post break up it would be...more or less the same. Just smaller geographic companies depending on how it is broken up. I guess you could separate the local phone/ISP from the cellphone. Either way I don't see it making a difference.

What I would like to see is break up of the infrastructure from the delivery companies. Both cable and telco. Given the legal issues and cost involved in that, I don't see it as a viable option either.

Another possibility is forced opening of the networks, but I don't know of any company with enough money to buy that many Senators and Members of the house.



No to ESPN

@sbcglobal.net No to ESPN to openbox9

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You are right it ain't Ma Bell, that is why I call it ma bell 2. Remember AT&T is now at&t. LOL



whataname

@iauq.com whataname Anon Ugghh The fact that the break up fee effectively is less than half of what it should be because of exploiting tax loopholes makes me ill.



How does making it tax deductible take so much out of the cost? Them making a boneheaded move gets a tax break?

praetoralpha

join:2005-08-06

Pittsburgh, PA praetoralpha Member Re: Ugghh Why doesn't the IRS act like AT&T billing in this case? A tax deduction fee, a calculation fee, and a verification fee. That should shave it down to $250 million or so.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray to whataname

Member to whataname

said by whataname : The fact that the break up fee effectively is less than half of what it should be because of exploiting tax loopholes makes me ill.



How does making it tax deductible take so much out of the cost? Them making a boneheaded move gets a tax break?





$4 Billion "Breakup Fee"

X 35% Corporate Tax Rate

------

$1.4 Billion



$3 Billion Cash Payment - $1.4 Billion = ~$1.6 Billion Net Cash Outlay. Tax accounting 101. Losses are deductible against income.$4 Billion "Breakup Fee"X 35% Corporate Tax Rate------$1.4 Billion$3 Billion Cash Payment - $1.4 Billion = ~$1.6 Billion Net Cash Outlay.

FrontirCynic

join:2006-10-25

Long Beach, CA 78.5 96.3

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»www.stock-analysis-on.ne ··· me-Taxes



what were the ceo's taxes? lol. 5%...likely less that warren buffett's secretary. if not better call congress and get that fixed looks like they dont need the tax break. they paid no taxes in 2010what were the ceo's taxes? lol. 5%...likely less that warren buffett's secretary. if not better call congress and get that fixed

openbox9

Premium Member

join:2004-01-26

71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Ugghh said by AT&T Annual Report : Income tax expense decreased $7,253 in 2010 and increased $8,301 in 2009. The decrease in income tax in 2010 resulted primarily from a settlement with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) related to a 2008 restructuring of our wireless operations, which decreased our income taxes by $8,300. This income tax benefit was partially offset by a $995 charge recorded during the first quarter of 2010 to reflect the deferred tax impact of enacted U.S. healthcare legislation (see Note 10).

axus

join:2001-06-18

Washington, DC 1 edit axus Member It could still go through 2012 Election season is ramping up, politicians need money. AT&T has cash and political connections, and they will violate Americans' privacy whenever the government asks.



Does anyone here think they AT&T would protect Republican candidate's phone calls, if Obama administration offered a trade for merger approval?

nutcr0cker

join:2003-04-02

Chandler, AZ nutcr0cker Member Re: It could still go through Wow, the neocon thug moderator did not delete your post



Barron

Laissez les bons temps rouler!

Premium Member

join:2001-11-25

Litchfield Park, AZ ·Cox HSI

Motorola MB8600

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Barron Premium Member Choice of Evils

Have a nice day Since AT&T and Verizon both run their business according to the Attila the Hun school of business, it is really a choice between evils in selecting a company. Many of us went to AT&T because of iPhone and remain there because going to Verizon is not acceptable. I find the continuing blathering about both companies wasted words and time. They both suck but not as fully as the alternatives. If you really want to improve wireless service in the USA get rid of all the arrogant as**oles in Washington and in each state capital.Have a nice day