CBS broadcaster Jim Nantz is very particular about his toast. He’s so particular that he carries a photo of burnt toast in his wallet because, yeah, he likes his toast burnt.

While most toast-enjoying people don’t like the bitter, awful charred taste of burnt toast, Nantz enjoys it so much. This is all very strange.

He detailed his affinity for burnt toast to Golf Digest:

“On the other hand, there’s a little Jack Nicholson in “Five Easy Pieces” in me. I’m a breakfast guy: three eggs scrambled, with bacon and wheat toast, burnt. The problem is, it never came back burnt. For years it would arrive limp and tan, which brought breakfast to a standstill when I sent the toast back. It was costing me 10 minutes a day, which, multiplied by six days a week, is four hours a month. That’s 48 hours—two full days—per year. My friends, time is currency. My wife, Courtney, got tired of hearing me complain about it. She found a photograph on the Internet of a kitchen toaster ejecting two slices of burnt toast. She minimized it, printed it out and had it laminated. She insisted I put it in my wallet. When I order, I present the photo to my server. I get some strange looks, but I can assure you, the toast now arrives black and scary, just the way I like it.”

There is a simple guide for ordering toast. It’s here:

This question has been bugging me. Which according to you is the most perfectly toasted slice? For me #13 pic.twitter.com/2tbYGiHn6Y — Gabbbar (@GabbbarSingh) February 28, 2016

No. 11, Jim. That’s the perfect toast.