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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on the guy. January 03, 2012, 05:14:18 AM #8 You need to report this to the police, to your local health authorities, and to So-Cal Craig's list. This is a public health issue and media alerts about the scam need to be sent out.



Keep whatever you have left so that it can be analysed by the authorities. Because of the knowing and reckless disregard for human life involved, this guy's actions have probably crossed the line into criminal. You should at least have some record of where you sent payment to, which might be a start - and Craig's list should have a copy of the original ad. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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Hero MemberActivity: 504Merit: 500 Re: Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on the guy. January 03, 2012, 06:07:24 AM #10 Quote from: repentance on January 03, 2012, 05:14:18 AM You need to report this to the police, to your local health authorities, and to So-Cal Craig's list. This is a public health issue and media alerts about the scam need to be sent out.



Keep whatever you have left so that it can be analysed by the authorities. Because of the knowing and reckless disregard for human life involved, this guy's actions have probably crossed the line into criminal. You should at least have some record of where you sent payment to, which might be a start - and Craig's list should have a copy of the original ad.



^this

though I think the catch is that it is likely illegal to purchase RX only medications from individuals. I'm sorry for you I really am, Shakaru. I am very happy you did not get hurt from this.



BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAN!! What were you thinking!!! This dude could have put rat poison in there for all we know. :/ Your life is not worth risking to save some money. I'd rob a bank to get meds before I'd risk injecting something into my body from unknown source. :/



Derek ^thisthough I think the catch is that it is likely illegal to purchase RX only medications from individuals. I'm sorry for you I really am, Shakaru. I am very happy you did not get hurt from this.BUT HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAN!! What were you thinking!!! This dude could have put rat poison in there for all we know. :/ Your life is not worth risking to save some money. I'd rob a bank to get meds before I'd risk injecting something into my body from unknown source. :/Derek If you're not excited by the idea of being an early adopter 'now', then you should come back in three or four years and either tell us "Told you it'd never work!" or join what should, by then, be a much more stable and easier-to-use system. - GA

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Last edit: January 03, 2012, 07:19:02 AM by repentance #12 Quote from: sadpandatech on January 03, 2012, 06:07:24 AM though I think the catch is that it is likely illegal to purchase RX only medications from individuals.



I'm sure it is but I doubt that the OP would be risking prosecution (if he's worried about that, notify the health authorities instead). At least a couple of times a year, police here issue warnings about batches of illicit drugs which are potentially more lethal than usual. I suspect that it's kind of like 419 scams - the victim might have been acting illegally, but the public good is best served by not prosecuting them and publicising the scam so that others don't get caught.



And Shakaru, it sounds like your judgement has been "off" a bit lately. Might be time to de-stress a bit.



I wouldn't wait to contact the police. This nearly killed you and it could well kill somebody else if you put off notifying authorities because it's a holiday. Your local health authorities will also have some kind of after hours contact number and it's exactly this kind of situation which warrants using it. Local hospitals also need to know about this in case people come in with DKA and their pumps indicate that they've taken their insulin. I'm sure it is but I doubt that the OP would be risking prosecution (if he's worried about that, notify the health authorities instead). At least a couple of times a year, police here issue warnings about batches of illicit drugs which are potentially more lethal than usual. I suspect that it's kind of like 419 scams - the victim might have been acting illegally, but the public good is best served by not prosecuting them and publicising the scam so that others don't get caught.And Shakaru, it sounds like your judgement has been "off" a bit lately. Might be time to de-stress a bit.I wouldn't wait to contact the police. This nearly killed you and it could well kill somebody else if you put off notifying authorities because it's a holiday. Your local health authorities will also have some kind of after hours contact number and it's exactly this kind of situation which warrants using it. Local hospitals also need to know about this in case people come in with DKA and their pumps indicate that they've taken their insulin. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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Hero MemberActivity: 504Merit: 500 Re: Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on the guy. January 03, 2012, 03:52:59 PM #13 Quote from: repentance on January 03, 2012, 07:06:31 AM Quote from: sadpandatech on January 03, 2012, 06:07:24 AM though I think the catch is that it is likely illegal to purchase RX only medications from individuals.



I'm sure it is but I doubt that the OP would be risking prosecution (if he's worried about that, notify the health authorities instead). At least a couple of times a year, police here issue warnings about batches of illicit drugs which are potentially more lethal than usual. I suspect that it's kind of like 419 scams - the victim might have been acting illegally, but the public good is best served by not prosecuting them and publicising the scam so that others don't get caught.



And Shakaru, it sounds like your judgement has been "off" a bit lately. Might be time to de-stress a bit.



I wouldn't wait to contact the police. This nearly killed you and it could well kill somebody else if you put off notifying authorities because it's a holiday. Your local health authorities will also have some kind of after hours contact number and it's exactly this kind of situation which warrants using it. Local hospitals also need to know about this in case people come in with DKA and their pumps indicate that they've taken their insulin.

I'm sure it is but I doubt that the OP would be risking prosecution (if he's worried about that, notify the health authorities instead). At least a couple of times a year, police here issue warnings about batches of illicit drugs which are potentially more lethal than usual. I suspect that it's kind of like 419 scams - the victim might have been acting illegally, but the public good is best served by not prosecuting them and publicising the scam so that others don't get caught.And Shakaru, it sounds like your judgement has been "off" a bit lately. Might be time to de-stress a bit.I wouldn't wait to contact the police. This nearly killed you and it could well kill somebody else if you put off notifying authorities because it's a holiday. Your local health authorities will also have some kind of after hours contact number and it's exactly this kind of situation which warrants using it. Local hospitals also need to know about this in case people come in with DKA and their pumps indicate that they've taken their insulin. +10 If you're not excited by the idea of being an early adopter 'now', then you should come back in three or four years and either tell us "Told you it'd never work!" or join what should, by then, be a much more stable and easier-to-use system. - GA

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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on the guy. January 03, 2012, 09:47:49 PM #15 Quote from: kjj on January 03, 2012, 06:12:18 AM Yeah, agreed on the police thing. They might even treat it as attempted murder (but then probably deal it down).



I'm not familiar with insulin packaging. Did it look legit? Are there normally any tamper seals or anti-counterfeiting measures?



Pumps are usually filled from standard insulin vials - you draw it up into a syringe and fill the reservoir from that. While you should technically always check the expiry date and check for evidence of tampering, I don't know any diabetics who actually do that. Like everything else, people become conditioned to everything being OK and when you've done something thousands of times before without incident, you don't necessarily think to change what has become an automatic ritual if some factor is different.



Whether the tampering would have been apparent depends on how it was done. The easiest way would have been to remove the insulin via a syringe and replace the contents the same way. It wouldn't necessarily have been apparent if a fine enough needle was used unless the OP looked hard for puncture marks on the membrane. If the entire rubber membrane and the cap around it were replaced (fiddly, but definitely not impossible), then there'd be no obvious evidence of tampering. You might notice that the fake insulin moved differently in the vial than real insulin if you were looking for it, but syringing up insulin becomes a process which people do pretty much on autopilot.



I'm curious about how much of a discount this guy was offering and how he explained obtaining them at such a low cost. I also want to know what was really in the vials. Pumps are usually filled from standard insulin vials - you draw it up into a syringe and fill the reservoir from that. While you should technically always check the expiry date and check for evidence of tampering, I don't know any diabetics who actually do that. Like everything else, people become conditioned to everything being OK and when you've done something thousands of times before without incident, you don't necessarily think to change what has become an automatic ritual if some factor is different.Whether the tampering would have been apparent depends on how it was done. The easiest way would have been to remove the insulin via a syringe and replace the contents the same way. It wouldn't necessarily have been apparent if a fine enough needle was used unless the OP looked hard for puncture marks on the membrane. If the entire rubber membrane and the cap around it were replaced (fiddly, but definitely not impossible), then there'd be no obvious evidence of tampering. You might notice that the fake insulin moved differently in the vial than real insulin if you were looking for it, but syringing up insulin becomes a process which people do pretty much on autopilot.I'm curious about how much of a discount this guy was offering and how he explained obtaining them at such a low cost. I also want to know what was really in the vials. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 448Merit: 250 Re: Bought fake Insluin, hope someone has some info on the guy. January 04, 2012, 01:46:40 AM #17 Quote from: shakaru on January 04, 2012, 01:36:22 AM So, I just got out of the hosptal. I had to go down and get a replacement supply and get checked out from this, but it turns out it was a god send as they found something out during my blood work.



All the vials have the ramper proff lids on. Also, the cost wasnt bad. It was between 10-15 a vail. Thats about co-pay cost. The guy said he was a type 2 diabetic and no longer needed insluin and was trying to just get rid of them for what he payed. Tomorrow after my follow up I need to goto the Sherifs office and file a report.



Definitely do it. One resource that may be worth contacting is poison control. They should be able to get you in touch with the right people in the health department, and it is a little buffer from the police interaction. It's california, so you'll get bounced around a bunch, but stick with it and someone will know who to talk to.



Glad you're ok. I have done the LA County hospital thing, and it's not fun...15 hours for blood work and an ultrasound, and then a $2000 bill that I paid at the hospital getting sent to collections because those fuckwits applied it to someone else's account... Definitely do it. One resource that may be worth contacting is poison control. They should be able to get you in touch with the right people in the health department, and it is a little buffer from the police interaction. It's california, so you'll get bounced around a bunch, but stick with it and someone will know who to talk to.Glad you're ok. I have done the LA County hospital thing, and it's not fun...15 hours for blood work and an ultrasound, and then a $2000 bill that I paid at the hospital getting sent to collections because those fuckwits applied it to someone else's account...