KALLIE CART (CO-HOST): The Senate is preparing to take another vote on health care reform before the end of September.

RICK LORD (CO-HOST): Our chief political analyst, Boris Epshteyn, a former Trump campaign senior adviser and White House official, sat down with the administrator of the Small Business Administration to discuss what concerns small businesses might have had with the Affordable Care Act and what reforms they hope to see.

BORIS EPSHTEYN: Congress hasn't been able to pass a health care bill and get it to the president. What are you hearing from small businesses in terms of their view? Do they want health care to be reformed? Do they want Obamacare to be repealed and replaced?

LINDA MCMAHON: They absolutely want health care reform and again, it's down to cost. I talked to small-business owners and they all want to provide health care for their employees. Many of them had good plans in place before Obamacare came into law, became the law. And they were mandated to change the policy that they had because it wasn't as good as, if you will, the Obama plan. So a lot of small businesses had to do that. It cost them a lot more. Then what happened was they stopped covering some of the employees if they had the opportunity, if they were less than 50 employees. They just stopped covering. So employees had a pretty good plan, a reasonable plan. Now they have nothing. Other companies have just bitten the bullet, and they're paying the higher cost when they can. Other companies are downsizing so they don't go over that number 50. So the health care plan that exists just has really had an incredible, devastating effect on small businesses.

EPSHTEYN: And are you optimistic that some sort of health care reform will get done? Sooner or later, will Congress gets its act together?

MCMAHON: I believe it will. The president really campaigned on health care reform, tax reform, regulatory reform. And he's worked really hard already on regulatory reform. We've seen a lot of those regulations rolled back. Health care, we didn't get the vote we wanted first time around. But he's not letting up. We're going to continue to push for health care reform.