Department of Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue and guest Newt Gingrich painted a disparaging picture of welfare recipients during the latest episode of the USDA’s taxpayer-funded podcast, The Sonnyside of the Farm. Perdue’s comments came as the USDA effectuated a rule change that will kick nearly 700,000 people off of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program and cut the number of children who can receive free lunch at school.

While Perdue advocates for limiting government assistance for people struggling to eat, he has used his positions in government to benefit himself, his friends, business associates, and family members throughout his political career.

Launched in October, Perdue’s monthly podcast purports to discuss “the issues facing America’s farmers, ranchers, producers and foresters today.” The third installment of The Sonnyside of the Farm, released on December 5, focused on low-income Americans who receive government assistance. Perdue opened the show by saying, “Today, we're going to talk about the transformational power of work” before claiming that “sometimes the helping hand can become an indefinitely giving hand, creating government dependency on programs like the food stamp program, which we administer here at USDA.”

Perdue was joined by Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich, who, as Perdue noted, was a driving force behind the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. The law, which was enacted by President Bill Clinton, is credited with contributing to the increase in Americans who live in extreme poverty. Like the 1996 law, USDA’s SNAP rule change limits the ability of people who are not working to receive benefits.

During his appearance, Gingrich offered several negative characterizations of low-income Americans who receive assistance from the government. According to Gingrich, without strict work requirements, “you begin to reshape the mind of the welfare worker because they begin looking for the loopholes that enable you to stay dependent on the government.” He added that without a work requirement, government assistance recipients are dependent, passive, and “waiting for the next government check.” He also said, “A generation that watches their parents do nothing learns that it’s OK to do nothing.”

Perdue suggested that people on food stamps don’t contribute to society and have no self-worth, saying to Gingrich, “You’ve done a great job articulating how working and contributing to society increases personal self-esteem [and] self-worth. Sadly, what do you see today? We still have 36 million people [on food stamps], up from 17 [million] prior to the recession.” Gingrich responded, “I think there is a subculture of people who think they are really clever if they avoid work.”