Railgan Profile Joined August 2010 Switzerland 1483 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-28 19:09:08 #2



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc

eSuBuildings Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United States 71 Posts #3 On September 29 2016 03:57 Railgan wrote:

What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide



The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.



Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. "In nature, for organisms, winning means life and losing is death. Although the example’s a bit extreme, humans too possess some of those instincts. People who’ve learned the fear of defeat, thirst for victory."

Railgan Profile Joined August 2010 Switzerland 1483 Posts #4 On September 29 2016 04:12 eSuBuildings wrote:

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On September 29 2016 03:57 Railgan wrote:

What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide



The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.



Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?



When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long. Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc

eSuBuildings Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United States 71 Posts #5 On September 29 2016 06:41 Railgan wrote:

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On September 29 2016 04:12 eSuBuildings wrote:

On September 29 2016 03:57 Railgan wrote:

What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide



The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.



Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?



When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



Maybe i'm just doing it wrong xd

Maybe i'm just doing it wrong xd "In nature, for organisms, winning means life and losing is death. Although the example’s a bit extreme, humans too possess some of those instincts. People who’ve learned the fear of defeat, thirst for victory."

Lexender Profile Joined September 2013 Mexico 2577 Posts #6 On September 29 2016 06:41 Railgan wrote:

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On September 29 2016 04:12 eSuBuildings wrote:

On September 29 2016 03:57 Railgan wrote:

What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide



The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.



Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?



When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



Wouldn't this outright die to hellion/cyclone + blueflame? Wouldn't this outright die to hellion/cyclone + blueflame?

Railgan Profile Joined August 2010 Switzerland 1483 Posts #7 On September 29 2016 09:03 Lexender wrote:

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On September 29 2016 06:41 Railgan wrote:

On September 29 2016 04:12 eSuBuildings wrote:

On September 29 2016 03:57 Railgan wrote:

What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?



Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.



also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?



Thanks for the guide What do you think is the biggest disadvantage of this build? The lack of speed? The lack of scouting?Personally I don't use gasless openers because taking a 3rd against a reaper is incredibly hard if the terran notices the lack of gas.also what is your response to Proxy Marines when going pool first?Thanks for the guide



The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.



Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times. The biggest disadvantage to this build is death to super early aggression. So usually 1 base all ins or super duper strong 2 base hellbat all ins. You get your third with this build before the Terran's reaper even gets to your base so that really isn't an issue.Proxy 4 rax marine is pretty difficult to deal with but I haven't had it happen to me enough times.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?



When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



I am not quite sure how you die against early aggression? Queens + 1 Spine do really well against any type of early aggression from my experience. If I can hold a push with a 2:40 Lair then it should be easier to hold with a gasless opener?When I went gasless earlier in LotV I often felt kinda lost versus Liberators and especially Liberator Range openers. But I don't actually know why. I assume I just delayed my Lair for too long.



Wouldn't this outright die to hellion/cyclone + blueflame? Wouldn't this outright die to hellion/cyclone + blueflame?



2:40 Lair beats offensive hellion cyclone but struggles versus defensive cyclone.

2:40 Lair beats offensive hellion cyclone but struggles versus defensive cyclone. Grandmaster Zerg from Switzerland!!! www.twitch.tv/railgan // www.twitter.com/railgansc // www.youtube.com/c/railgansc

Hungry101 Profile Joined November 2015 25 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-29 06:35:45 #8



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/500342-lotv-rule-of-1-gas-zvt-mlb-pigs-guide





What's the main difference between this style and PiG's 1-gas style (which seems safer to me but also allows for a big economy by 5:30)?

bulya Profile Joined February 2016 Israel 384 Posts #9 I tried it once today, with a victory.

The feeling was a bit odd playing without speed, but the eco advantage was great (I was late with the macro hatch, and floated quite a lot of minerals on the 6-7 minute).

I'm used to holding the 2-1-1 with queens and lings, and adding banes for the following push, so it wasn't hard. But the early reaper was annoying.



Seems like the difference between this style and the 1 gas one is the extra minerals and queens (the extra 4 drones on minerals is quite a difference early on). And I crossed my fingers there won't be a 2 rax reaper or a 3 rax reaper.



What maps do you suggest playing it on?

I guess Frozen temple and galactic aren't an option as 3 rax reaper are common on those. Gettysburgis is probably the best one for it (or Apotheosis)

eSuBuildings Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United States 71 Posts #10 On September 29 2016 15:35 Hungry101 wrote:

What's the main difference between this style and PiG's 1-gas style (which seems safer to me but also allows for a big economy by 5:30)?



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/500342-lotv-rule-of-1-gas-zvt-mlb-pigs-guide





What's the main difference between this style and PiG's 1-gas style (which seems safer to me but also allows for a big economy by 5:30)?



To be quite honest with you, I don't really keep up too much with meta builds or copy things from other players (not because I don't think I need to but because I think it's fun and better for me as a player to figure the game out by myself). That being said, I don't think there's any huge differences. It may come down to preference. The earlier and larger mineral explosion from my build allows you to get static defense at bases which allows you to be a little lazy, faster creep spread, and the addition of a fifth hatchery (macro hatch).



I'm sure PiG's style has its advantages over mine. I'd love to talk about it with him some day.



To be quite honest with you, I don't really keep up too much with meta builds or copy things from other players (not because I don't think I need to but because I think it's fun and better for me as a player to figure the game out by myself). That being said, I don't think there's any huge differences. It may come down to preference. The earlier and larger mineral explosion from my build allows you to get static defense at bases which allows you to be a little lazy, faster creep spread, and the addition of a fifth hatchery (macro hatch).I'm sure PiG's style has its advantages over mine. I'd love to talk about it with him some day. On September 29 2016 17:47 bulya wrote:



What maps do you suggest playing it on?

I guess Frozen temple and galactic aren't an option as 3 rax reaper are common on those. Gettysburgis is probably the best one for it (or Apotheosis)



Frozen Temple definitely makes this build very hard to pull off. Galactic however I'd be inclined to disagree. If your opponent doesn't open 3 rax reaper then it becomes very hard for him to actually push into you. I added a replay in which I hold 3 rax reaper whilst going for this build. It should be the second frozen temple replay at the end of the list.



Frozen Temple definitely makes this build very hard to pull off. Galactic however I'd be inclined to disagree. If your opponent doesn't open 3 rax reaper then it becomes very hard for him to actually push into you. I added a replay in which I hold 3 rax reaper whilst going for this build. It should be the second frozen temple replay at the end of the list. "In nature, for organisms, winning means life and losing is death. Although the example’s a bit extreme, humans too possess some of those instincts. People who’ve learned the fear of defeat, thirst for victory."