[21:30:06] radwulfbrutal: Hello, how you doing?

[21:30:16] hannahpares: not too bad u?

[21:30:47] radwulfbrutal: hadnt lots of time to play but not bad

[21:31:23] hannahpares: whats up?

[21:31:30] radwulfbrutal: I wanted to talk with you about sast. Jason Knight is leaving, and so other guys

[21:32:05] radwulfbrutal: checking corp numbers it doesnt looks like you are recruiting

[21:32:54] hannahpares: ok 1, jason left for co2, his excuse is he's started a BA so cant commit to running sast

[21:33:56] hannahpares: 2, the others went to rode kapell and iron armarda, there excuse they didnt like what null was becoming and didnt like the blue doughnut

[21:34:08] radwulfbrutal: have you been involved with sast leadership for a while?

[21:34:12] hannahpares: we will be actively

[21:34:47] radwulfbrutal: sure, we expect to have lots of content in the south

[21:34:58] hannahpares: erm yeah ive been a assnt director since it started. they knew i had ceo experience so passed to me when they all left

[21:35:34] radwulfbrutal: this most probably is not the best scenario you would want to have to lead a group of people

[21:36:00] hannahpares: you'd be supprised, any excuse to get back into a ceo role, lol

[21:36:18] radwulfbrutal: jajajaja

[21:36:44] hannahpares: we will be recruiting, just we need to reorganise the corp first after the mess we were left in

[21:36:54] hannahpares: that should be done by wednesday

[21:37:06] radwulfbrutal: well, I'll be honest with you, test corp standards is around 40 dudes

[21:37:18] radwulfbrutal: warm bodies this is not pilots

[21:37:26] hannahpares: yeah i understand

[21:38:01] hannahpares: and we will actively recruit to well above that asap

[21:38:06] radwulfbrutal: but it wouldnt be fair to not give people an opportunity

[21:41:38] radwulfbrutal: yeah, however we've never seen a corp who triple their active dudes numbers after reforging its bases in short time. Its very unlikely and it will put lots of pressure on the corp and specially on you. So as said, it wont be fair to just say no you cant, the opportunity would be to merge with another corp you guys are friendly with or if not, merge as a group into dreddit

[21:42:42] radwulfbrutal: I don't want you to missunderstand me, I'm not native English speaker so I rather prefer to explain properly again if you think i didnt explain myself

[21:45:31] hannahpares: =i dont know what to say i belive we can do it and ive done it before

[21:46:20] hannahpares: ive spoke to my guys and they dont want to split into another group, its taking in another group that caused this mess in sast

[21:46:47] radwulfbrutal: i hope it didnt sound rude

[21:47:22] hannahpares: i had been told that dran had issues with the corp size

[21:48:48] hannahpares: Jason had allready spoke to drowi abut merging but the corp said no

[21:49:57] radwulfbrutal: Yes, we quite often do corp audits. But last one was a while ago. Prolly to much. So we now are kind of monitoring corps continuously and it is preferred to have people aware of the situation. its not like… hey guys you don't have the standards you gotta go. Hard no.

There is a corp size problem, it was before. Corps are a tight group of people who want to keep their identity at all cost. But at the same time, alliance standards have to be observed as much as possible

[21:50:57] hannahpares: oh im aware of that, i was acting skymarshal with SMA before they folded

[21:51:01] radwulfbrutal: I mean, every1 would understand sast prefer to leave in good terms because the kind of process you guys are suffering is not desiderable at all

[21:51:53] radwulfbrutal: but im maybe a bit older than others and I'm always looking for better options

[21:52:06] radwulfbrutal: IRL, not in eve :D

[21:52:26] radwulfbrutal: so the mergin or joining dreddit option is there

[21:52:49] hannahpares: tbh they guys want to stay test, i want to stay test, but i was only made ceo yesterday so i think we should be allowed a chance to sort things, otherwise the leaving of others punishes the guys left

[21:53:38] hannahpares: and we have 2 titans in the cooker atm

[21:53:50] radwulfbrutal: its not fair to "force" a corp to recruit either, and its being a while with the corp is below 40 active guys

[21:54:13] radwulfbrutal: don't worry about that please

[21:54:23] hannahpares: thats because the old ceo put a stop to recruitment to allow the newer guys to settle

[21:54:55] hannahpares: you wouldnt be forcing ive already told the corp were going for a mass recruitment drive

[21:55:31] radwulfbrutal: it is not a corp kicking, your titans and whatever you have is not being discussed, everything is safe, you guys are testbros

[21:57:05] radwulfbrutal: as said, even in turbo recruiting mode it wouldnt be easy to triplicate active people, it will put the corp in a situation where their fun is pushed down to comply with alliance standards in short period time

[21:57:38] radwulfbrutal: not to mention the fact that corp hadn't 40 for a while

[21:58:20] hannahpares: i suggest were given two week to show were actively recruiting and then meet again to see where we are, tbh its not my fault where the corp is now, but its my problem to get where we need to be

[22:07:30] radwulfbrutal: don't get me wrong but right now its like 10? active guys. With 30 it would be fair to ask a new leader to refore a corp up to 40, still not easy in 2 weeks time. It will be way too difficult and its prefered to give the merge/leave option than to order to force recruitment

[22:07:36] radwulfbrutal: maybe order is not the right word

[22:07:47] radwulfbrutal: but…

well, do you know what I mean?

[22:08:53] hannahpares: then you'd loose a corp with active super pilots, we came as a corp and the corp is important to our guys

[22:10:30] radwulfbrutal: myself and the alliance respect that, you are the leader, its up to you and trust me i see maintaining corp identity and integrity is probably even harder than anything

[22:13:01] hannahpares: the corp had a chance to leave with the others, but they stayed as sast in test, and im surprised that just over 24hrs after taking over your making me choose merge or leave

[22:16:15] radwulfbrutal: don't take it personally, in fact please consider this is not you vs me. hannah and rad matter. It is alliance and corp stuff. Timings are never good for these things

[22:18:22] hannahpares: its not personal i just cant believe test is being as soulless as to kick us when we're down

[22:19:14] radwulfbrutal: test is not kicking anybody

[22:19:58] radwulfbrutal: As said before, alliance is looking for alternatives and opportunities for their members

[22:20:42] hannahpares: lol no its an english sayint "to kick someone when they're down"

[22:20:56] radwulfbrutal: oh sorry

[22:21:31] radwulfbrutal: please consider we as diplos are looking for the best option for the members

[22:21:59] hannahpares: and we very much see sast as the member

[22:22:04] radwulfbrutal: I understand you are not in a position you can say fuck it and still have internal work to do, managing a group of people is not easy

[22:23:04] radwulfbrutal: I'm afraid alliancestandards have to be observed in order to consider a member

[22:23:24] radwulfbrutal: Both during recruitment and during the time the member is in the group

[22:24:55] hannahpares: at the moment i see it as im being told i have to demolish my home as the last owner didnt do things right

[22:28:23] radwulfbrutal: please look at it as alliance wants to have its people complying with standards as everyone else, its not your fault nor you are responsible, yet everyone would respect your decision

[22:28:45] radwulfbrutal: have a chat with your guys and please please don't worry about titans and whatever you have

[22:29:33] radwulfbrutal: I personally have a clone and some ships in your BZ- citadel, its being there before we spoke with Jason when the corp was joining test

[22:29:35] radwulfbrutal: :D

[22:30:55] hannahpares: where are you getting your member count from, ive just checked and we have 41 "humans" in corp

[22:31:14] hannahpares: sorry 42 in me

[22:31:29] hannahpares: inc*

[22:34:53] radwulfbrutal: Well, this is not the kind of things we can discuss, but I respect your question and I'll answer because this metric is kinda like if test would accept new corp in

[22:35:46] radwulfbrutal: For a new corp we would take a look into zkillboard, its not the only thing but it gives you a quick preview

[22:37:10] radwulfbrutal: 5 pilots above 10 kills. Top 10 are not current members and still doesnt show lots of corp activity

[22:37:32] radwulfbrutal: Still it is not the kind of metric appropiate for this case, because current group situation

[22:37:45] radwulfbrutal: Nor is the kind of things we want to discuss

[22:39:00] hannahpares: its late i need to go to bed, its clear your mind is set so i'll wish u a good night

[22:39:23] radwulfbrutal: Please take your time and, if you want have a chat with your guys. I wanted to give you some options

[22:39:34] radwulfbrutal: Let me know tomorrow your thoughts