In the official canon of the Star Wars universe, the moral standing of every core hero is virtually unimpeachable: they are good. But if you go deep enough down the fan theory rabbit hole, you’ll find someone trying to prove that they’re all villains. All of them.

That said, buying into this conceptual framework requires a massive leap of faith, a small mountain of dissociative drugs, and maybe a blow to the head. Regardless, it’s still out there for your consideration.

Luke Skywalker

Ever since he peaced out on Yoda’s Dagobah playtime to go kill his dad in “The Empire Strikes Back,” everyone under the sun has suspected that Young Skywalker could go rogue at anytime. And though he seemingly pulled himself back to the lightside by the end of Return Of The Jedi, that hasn’t stopped the chatter that he’ll ultimately turn into his father, Jar Jar Binks Darth Vader.

First there’s the belief that his cybernetic hand contains the power of the dark side. (A stretch) Then there’s the meta conspiracy that George Lucas originally wanted to leave Luke’s future ambiguous at the end of the original trilogy, only to nix that because it would affect toy sales. (Believable). And up until recently, this convinced every fanboy that Luke would take up the guise of the latest villain, the masked Kylo Ren. (This did not end up being the case.)

And if you really want to go off the deep end, you can always indulge yourself in the alleged similarities between Luke Skywalker and Jihadi radicals. (Don’t actually do that.)

Princess Leia

The working theory here is that Princess Leia, spawn of Darth Vader and ascendent future leader of the New Republic, is on path to become an Emperor Palpatine-esque figure who is drunk with power. Compared to some of these other theories, it’s not the worst line of thinking.

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Most people only see Obi-Wan Kenobi as the benevolent overseer of Annakin and Luke Skywalker. There are some, however, who see him as a machiavellian figure who used Luke to get at Vader. And according to an interview with Mark Hamill, Obi-Wan was originally slated to kill Luke’s father (apparently not Darth Vader), leading many to speculate he was going to be a villain all along.

C-3PO

If you believe in the symbology of color, then you might devote yourself the idea that C-3PO’s new red arm is foreshadowing of his turn towards the darkside. If you believe in parody blogs, you might believe that JJ Abrams has a scene in Episode VII where Darth Vader uploads his memory to the golden droid, and then becomes Kylo Ren.

R2-D2

You can follow one of two ideas here: R2-D2 is a villainous troll because he knew everything about Luke’s past and decided not to tell him throughout the original trilogy, which resulted in him killing his father and making out with his sister. Or you can subscribe to the idea that Luke used the force to turn R2-D2 evil, as evidenced by R2’s light turning red when Luke touches him in Episode VII. Either way, this is pretty goddamn stupid.

Jar Jar Binks

Maybe the most discussed fan theory right now, you don’t have to look very far to hear about how the most hated Star Wars character ever is actually a master of the Force and a Sith operative to boot, using mind control to sway the Galactic Senate and its unsuspecting Jedis. Believe what you want, but the bigger conspiracy theory would be proving that George Lucas actually meant to make Jar Jar likable.

Han Solo

Han’s position as a smuggler always placed him in a grey area, but his mercenary ways never steered him towards true evil. But as every fan is quick to point out, Han clearly shot Greedo first in the Cantina, and might even be the only one who shot. Then he lied about it. Unforgivable, if only because he made fans look bad for years.

Yoda

Nothing Yoda ever did was particularly bad or incriminating, but that hasn’t kept his detractors at bay. As well-regarded nerd David Brin posits, Yoda’s entire worldview is fitting of the world’s biggest troll, which is why we should consider him public enemy #1.

But even if you’re not completely on board with that, there’s one other theory that would suggest Yoda is a villain…

All Of The Jedis

In addition to every aforementioned Jedi, this would also implicate beloved force wielders Qui Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. As some people like to explain, that the entire Jedi way is garbage, and if the power hungry group of warrior monks were really working in everyone’s best interest, they basically would have done the opposite of what they did in the prequels.

Chewbacca

When I said all the heroes were actually villains, I lied. Chewbacca is bulletproof. Everyone loves him, apparently. What’s more, all signs point to Chewie being more than just Han’s right hand man: He’s Yoda’s ace who has been working as a secret operative for the Rebel Alliance. Mull that one over for a bit.

Amidala

Citing her hawkish foreign policy, cradle robbing tendencies, and general refusal to reach compromise with her political opponents, one theory suggests that the chain of events which led to the Galactic Empire would never have happened had Amidala not been in the picture, thus making her one of the baddies. This theory is also home to the biggest twist of irony…

Emperor Palpatine

In contributing to the Trade Federation’s attack on Naboo, the overarching argument here is that Palpatine was forced to retaliate against a princess–Amidala–and a group of people–the Jedis–who have already been established as Villains. Going along with that line of thought, there’s no other choice but to deem Palpatine the one true hero of the Star Wars universe.