Tucker Carlson‘s ability to embarrass his guests in bitter debates on his Fox News show has been well documented. But there is one recurring guest who manages to trounce Carlson at his own game: Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst at the CATO Institute.

Carlson started Wednesday’s interview off with a straw-man, accusing Nowrasteh of espousing a view expressed by a professor who said on MSNBC this week that Mollie Tibbetts, the young woman allegedly killed by an undocumented immigrant, was just “a girl from Iowa.”

Nowrasteh swatted that jab away, noting “this is definitely a horrible tragedy and I’ve not tried to minimize it in any way.”

The pair went on to spar over the crime rate of undocumented immigrants, with Carlson claiming that 44% of all federal inmates are non-citizens, and Nowrasteh explaining that “federal prisoners account for fewer than just 10% of all prisoners in the United States.”

The rest of the interview was a thrill and well worth the watch — if only for the delightful moment Nowrasteh asked Carlson if he supports prohibition — before it came crashing to a halt.

A tell-tale sign of Carlson losing a debate on his show is him offering his guest the courtesy of cutting their mic off mid-sentence, as he did at the end of his interview with Nowrasteh.

Watch above, via Fox News.

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