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Gonna post what BING says and then work backwards. The biggest problem is it's broken English of computer code, which I dropped out of college so...

Alright Right off the bat, WPN is weapon, per military abbreviations.



Car is translatable in Klingon, Auto is not, a car is an automobile, So I'm guessing all "cars" are auto function.



Battle is also translatable in Klingon, Assault is not, again assuming "battle" means Assault



Maybe I'll work on it later, but apparently SHG was contracted by the CIA, seriously this is just...mind boggling.



Alright putting all my words in blue, a hint this is a code (cipher) in a code (computer) is the "the waiter SCENE V ELSINORE code" Scene V Elsinore being a thing from Shakespeare and could lead to a book cipher. Either that or I'm reading into too much





Alright so I'm done for tonight, my eyes are burning.

try working with these if I'm right about the cipher, which I may not be, but who references a specific scene of Hamlet in coding?

shakespeare.mit.edu/hamlet/hamlet.4.5.html

For Klingon translating www.bing.com/translator/

and google for anything else. Good luck to whoever can figure this out.





Arsenal Computer

{

general

the name "mark" #wpn "car"

the name "print short" #wpn "car short"

"Describe" #wpn car "desc"

"it is a long desc" #wpn "car long desc"

"Type cries out" weapon. "

"The ghost of Type" "battle rifle"

"fire select" do something "grey dies"

"the waiter SCENE V ELSINORE code" mp weapon armed "car"

"armed mp car as a weapon" than swearing by it achieves SCENE V ELSINORE codesc ""

"We encourage pick up bug" "[business] [weapon name] hold"

"We encourage pick up select" "[business] [weapon name]"

"the way that some distant Hebrew wika'" "a thousand thirty-tw



The State Menu

"The country is WRONG" "four five"

"The two" distant Country "eight"

"The country is perfect" "five five"

"Into the fire" were the State "zero Seven"



model

I am a "model" the "model car as a weapon and one of the first pt earlier in the car and one of the first model"

"The Players model" the "model car as a weapon and w, one hundred, one hundred and one car model"

"according to the prefix" "it's a small Smooth the second weapon"



the Players

the followers of the "Players" "Guide to weapon Pistol"

"The Mass of the Players Come Soak Spin." "Things are Mass rifle weapons turned fp"

"Mass of the three Players come, Soak the people Spin." "Things are Mass rifle weapons turned"

"Mass processed and Soak in the autumn of Spin." "The Mass from the Things which he saw Come Soak a small Target Spin"

"adjust gun barrel" one ""



"in the autumn of the Dry fire" "Attack rifle Dry fire"



"I am something force fx in a nut shell," "those who he was in a nut shell, wpn fp Pistol"

"those who force fx in a nut shell," "those who he was in a nut shell, wpn Pistol"

those "locked force fx in a nut shell," "peel"



"I know, I am jimodha', I am light is a prisoner to the wpn" fx "prisoner to me while jimodha' the scenes fp Pistol light"

"I am a prisoner to fx with jimodha' the scenes, light of the world", "I am a prisoner to the wpn jimodha' is with the light Phasers"

"I am a prisoner to fx with jimodha' the scenes, light locked" prisoner "to me it is jimodha' with the light"



sound

"the King saw from Target because we have to repair and scope of cover from the long break after Andrew hit the woman as a weapon is one of the first Players p" in the autumn ""

"fire in the autumn of the third Players the first p" "long-armed cover King saw from Target because we have to repair and scope from the surface after it hit the man"

"the fire is in the autumn of the second" I "in this law the first shot and one of the first armed cbr"

"fire in the autumn--the two Players ' opinion '"--one of the players ' opinion this shot, one hundred and one armed cbr "

"repeated in the autumn of the" first ""



the things which people or is scheduled to connect Scanner to inter system or

"those who are scheduled to connect Scanner to inter system or Accessory or a form, because this was a great" first ""



--DAMAGE valuable Players Dies

"WRONG Type" "in the scenes he saw Things from Target"

"no" or eight "distant dasum DAMAGE"

"distant Remote DAMAGE" one of two "zero five"

"dasum DAMAGE valuable" "six, six,"

"valuable Remote DAMAGE" and the third "five"

"This is the WRONG dasum valuable yiteb Smooth battle gear" or "two"

"yiteb Smooth battle gear Remote valuable DAMAGE" or "the one"

"The DAMAGE on top of the ride" or "Nine"



"Head DAMAGE scales shot" "the story of the first four"

"The WRONG one" or "chest scales"

"WRONG Arm scales" "or one"

"This is the WRONG leg scales" "no one"



--DAMAGE--Alas dies, remnants of Players exposed

"Alas dasum DAMAGE exposed Players--distant" or "zero eight"

"distant Remote Speed DAMAGE the players--the first two" exposed "or five"

"Alas dasum DAMAGE exposed Players--valuable" one of "the eight"

"valuable Remote Speed DAMAGE the players ' opinion--one of" four "



"I hit the man Serious DAMAGE scales" or "two"

"Serious hit" one ""



ammunition

"The universe is scheduled to Deposit a large decimal point ammunition yiteb scenes," "four or five"

"how big somebody clipped ammunition" "zero"

"the ammunition the whole Possible Native" are "four or five"



in recognition of the first action room

"often occurs in one of the first four" "fire"

"this is the first time or the second" get in ""

the first "or" one time "Acquisition"

"I am a field of three one" "five five"

"I laid those throughout the summer again, and said" one of "Nine"

"whatever place was repeated late one time" "eight or two"

"whatever place was empty again, and said" this is the time to "two five three,"

"whatever place was empty again, and said" this is the first time one of the four "late six"

"those branches, the second time that makes repeated late" "Seven or Nine"

"five or" sheath "of time"

"this is the time to bring" "six or six,"

"this is the time to be prepared" or "the second five"

"this is the third time I have" no raises ""

"The Mass fire Spin room again, and said the first action in recognition of" the King, "I saw from the Target"

"into the fire" empty permit "or"

"those new branches, repeated" one ""

"the first" in the autumn "empty permit"

"only those who laid empty again, and said" no "a"

"or" it is a long distance shot camera "this is new"

"head first" shot "permit"

"distant head shot" or "three or five"

"the first three run fast to prevent fire" "or"

"vi'og caused a few Aim often occurs in those who saw something in the scales is not scheduled to be in motion" "Seven or five"

"The fire and the body side of the Assistant, or" Disable "Aim"

"That is the Aim we have few vi'og Disable Aim assistance" "or"

"The ghost side of fire yiteb only Disable Smooth Aim assistance" first ""

"More than vi'og Aim yiteb Smooth, just Disable the Assistant Aim" one ""

"this is not something often caused the blind King is scheduled to become something in those Instruments caused" no one "or" either/or or bug caused often occurs in those who saw something in it is not scheduled to be in motion When the first few matay'



or temporary Work around.



from the fields

"the Speed of the players from the fields--vu Arsenal Computergeneralthe name "mark" #wpn "car"the name "print short" #wpn "car short""Describe" #wpn car "desc""it is a long desc" #wpn "car long desc""Type cries out" weapon. ""The ghost of Type" "battle rifle""fire select" do something "grey dies""the waiter SCENE V ELSINORE code" mp weapon armed "car""armed mp car as a weapon" than swearing by it achieves SCENE V ELSINORE codesc """We encourage pick up bug" "[business] [weapon name] hold""We encourage pick up select" "[business] [weapon name]""the way that some distant Hebrew wika'" "a thousand thirty-twThe State Menu"The country is WRONG" "four five""The two" distant Country "eight""The country is perfect" "five five""Into the fire" were the State "zero Seven"modelI am a "model" the "model car as a weapon and one of the first pt earlier in the car and one of the first model""The Players model" the "model car as a weapon and w, one hundred, one hundred and one car model""according to the prefix" "it's a small Smooth the second weapon"the Playersthe followers of the "Players" "Guide to weapon Pistol""The Mass of the Players Come Soak Spin." "Things are Mass rifle weapons turned fp""Mass of the three Players come, Soak the people Spin." "Things are Mass rifle weapons turned""Mass processed and Soak in the autumn of Spin." "The Mass from the Things which he saw Come Soak a small Target Spin""adjust gun barrel" one """in the autumn of the Dry fire" "Attack rifle Dry fire""I am something force fx in a nut shell," "those who he was in a nut shell, wpn fp Pistol""those who force fx in a nut shell," "those who he was in a nut shell, wpn Pistol"those "locked force fx in a nut shell," "peel""I know, I am jimodha', I am light is a prisoner to the wpn" fx "prisoner to me while jimodha' the scenes fp Pistol light""I am a prisoner to fx with jimodha' the scenes, light of the world", "I am a prisoner to the wpn jimodha' is with the light Phasers""I am a prisoner to fx with jimodha' the scenes, light locked" prisoner "to me it is jimodha' with the light"sound"the King saw from Target because we have to repair and scope of cover from the long break after Andrew hit the woman as a weapon is one of the first Players p" in the autumn """fire in the autumn of the third Players the first p" "long-armed cover King saw from Target because we have to repair and scope from the surface after it hit the man""the fire is in the autumn of the second" I "in this law the first shot and one of the first armed cbr""fire in the autumn--the two Players ' opinion '"--one of the players ' opinion this shot, one hundred and one armed cbr ""repeated in the autumn of the" first ""the things which people or is scheduled to connect Scanner to inter system or"those who are scheduled to connect Scanner to inter system or Accessory or a form, because this was a great" first ""--DAMAGE valuable Players Dies"WRONG Type" "in the scenes he saw Things from Target""no" or eight "distant dasum DAMAGE""distant Remote DAMAGE" one of two "zero five""dasum DAMAGE valuable" "six, six,""valuable Remote DAMAGE" and the third "five""This is the WRONG dasum valuable yiteb Smooth battle gear" or "two""yiteb Smooth battle gear Remote valuable DAMAGE" or "the one""The DAMAGE on top of the ride" or "Nine""Head DAMAGE scales shot" "the story of the first four""The WRONG one" or "chest scales""WRONG Arm scales" "or one""This is the WRONG leg scales" "no one"--DAMAGE--Alas dies, remnants of Players exposed"Alas dasum DAMAGE exposed Players--distant" or "zero eight""distant Remote Speed DAMAGE the players--the first two" exposed "or five""Alas dasum DAMAGE exposed Players--valuable" one of "the eight""valuable Remote Speed DAMAGE the players ' opinion--one of" four ""I hit the man Serious DAMAGE scales" or "two""Serious hit" one ""ammunition"The universe is scheduled to Deposit a large decimal point ammunition yiteb scenes," "four or five""how big somebody clipped ammunition" "zero""the ammunition the whole Possible Native" are "four or five"in recognition of the first action room"often occurs in one of the first four" "fire""this is the first time or the second" get in ""the first "or" one time "Acquisition""I am a field of three one" "five five""I laid those throughout the summer again, and said" one of "Nine""whatever place was repeated late one time" "eight or two""whatever place was empty again, and said" this is the time to "two five three,""whatever place was empty again, and said" this is the first time one of the four "late six""those branches, the second time that makes repeated late" "Seven or Nine""five or" sheath "of time""this is the time to bring" "six or six,""this is the time to be prepared" or "the second five""this is the third time I have" no raises """The Mass fire Spin room again, and said the first action in recognition of" the King, "I saw from the Target""into the fire" empty permit "or""those new branches, repeated" one """the first" in the autumn "empty permit""only those who laid empty again, and said" no "a""or" it is a long distance shot camera "this is new""head first" shot "permit""distant head shot" or "three or five""the first three run fast to prevent fire" "or""vi'og caused a few Aim often occurs in those who saw something in the scales is not scheduled to be in motion" "Seven or five""The fire and the body side of the Assistant, or" Disable "Aim""That is the Aim we have few vi'og Disable Aim assistance" "or""The ghost side of fire yiteb only Disable Smooth Aim assistance" first """More than vi'og Aim yiteb Smooth, just Disable the Assistant Aim" one """this is not something often caused the blind King is scheduled to become something in those Instruments caused" no one "or" either/or or bug caused often occurs in those who saw something in it is not scheduled to be in motion When the first few matay'or temporary Work around.from the fields"the Speed of the players from the fields--vu

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mrklingo.freeshell.org/aol/jpklingon/uta/theory.html#wrong



This was a dev who world on a Klingon translator... Let me draw your attention to the particular section "What is wrong with this."



It is more than likely that the devs put the meaningful stuff into a Klingon translator with the intention that a reverse translation (twice removed from the truth) would reult in a grammatically and compositionally incorrect result.



Ok OK. So I did a bit of digging and you probably aren't going to like it.This was a dev who world on a Klingon translator... Let me draw your attention to the particular section "What is wrong with this."It is more than likely that the devs put the meaningful stuff into a Klingon translator with the intention that a reverse translation (twice removed from the truth) would reult in a grammatically and compositionally incorrect result.

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mrklingo.freeshell.org/aol/jpklingon/uta/theory.html#wrong



This was a dev who world on a Klingon translator... Let me draw your attention to the particular section "What is wrong with this."



It is more than likely that the devs put the meaningful stuff into a Klingon translator with the intention that a reverse translation (twice removed from the truth) would reult in a grammatically and compositionally incorrect result. Ok OK. So I did a bit of digging and you probably aren't going to like it.This was a dev who world on a Klingon translator... Let me draw your attention to the particular section "What is wrong with this."It is more than likely that the devs put the meaningful stuff into a Klingon translator with the intention that a reverse translation (twice removed from the truth) would reult in a grammatically and compositionally incorrect result. Basically, SHG just felt like giving us the middle finger. Great.



Yup.



Point being? You are screwed even if you get someone experienced in Klingon.



What you need to solve this is access to the original software used for the translation and the "key" that software uses for translation. That key would have all possible terms that could be translated into Klingon term X. You could then reverse engineer the original content by checking each single list of terms for a term that "makes sense."



In this case you are dealing with terms that are only once removed from the truth... that is entirely possible to solve. Yup.Point being? You are screwed even if you get someone experienced in Klingon.What you need to solve this is access to the original software used for the translation and the "key" that software uses for translation. That key would have all possible terms that could be translated into Klingon term X. You could then reverse engineer the original content by checking each single list of terms for a term that "makes sense."In this case you are dealing with terms that are only once removed from the truth... that is entirely possible to solve.

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The SCENE V ELSINORE thing doesn't matter. There's probably a lot of Shakespeare crap in Klingon/English dictionaries, remember it's the result of the bing translation going the other way. It's not inherently relevant, most likely just a translation error. Watch Star Trek VI and it will make more sense. But yeah, ignore the Hamlet stuff.



Not sure I 100% understand what Dumien



Now, I don't know much about COD files. This is some sort of script? Maybe if you post the equivalent file from one of the previous games that is well-understood, it might provide more insight.



Back to the quotes thing, I'd say anything within double quotes is meant to be translated as a whole. As in the english may have been one word, and the lookup table expanded it to two or more. It also seems like strings of numbers are quoted as well, those are surely meant to be translated into 0123456789 and not "one two three etc".



I'm guessing whoever did this in the first place probably didn't put THAT much work into it. As such I think it will not be too bad to crack. Maybe the lookup table exists somewhere in the game files? Or maybe not and they replaced those strings in the interpreter so that the "klingon" version is the actual version that is understood and run. It's very possible that they used bing translate to make their table. So I'll ask again, is this file a quake engine thing? Is this a unique scripting thing to COD?



I hope someone from SHG is monitoring and laughing at this thread. I'm enough of a Trekkie to have noticed that they were Klingon words at a glance. They gave me a free "Conversational Klingon" cassette tape when I ordered the Star Trek Encyclopedia by using a touch-tone phone. Yep, I was a pretty awesome kid.The SCENE V ELSINORE thing doesn't matter. There's probably a lot of Shakespeare crap in Klingon/English dictionaries, remember it's the result of the bing translation going the other way. It's not inherently relevant, most likely just a translation error. Watch Star Trek VI and it will make more sense. But yeah, ignore the Hamlet stuff.Not sure I 100% understand whatis saying. He's either right or mostly right... or maybe wrong? "key" is probably not a good word to use in this context, "map" or "lookup table" are better. The "each single list" of terms thing is throwing me off. This is almost surely just 1 to 1 translation. It has to follow very simple rules. So I guess on that point you're wrong, you don't need the original software because what the software does is trivial. I think a key thing that nobody in this thread has touched on is the quotes. With your bing translation it appears to be matching the single quote character (which appears all over the place in klingon words) with the double quotes. So the quoting on the translation side ends up being pretty garbled which doesn't help its readability at all.Now, I don't know much about COD files. This is some sort of script? Maybe if you post the equivalent file from one of the previous games that is well-understood, it might provide more insight.Back to the quotes thing, I'd say anything within double quotes is meant to be translated as a whole. As in the english may have been one word, and the lookup table expanded it to two or more. It also seems like strings of numbers are quoted as well, those are surely meant to be translated into 0123456789 and not "one two three etc".I'm guessing whoever did this in the first place probably didn't put THAT much work into it. As such I think it will not be too bad to crack. Maybe the lookup table exists somewhere in the game files? Or maybe not and they replaced those strings in the interpreter so that the "klingon" version is the actual version that is understood and run. It's very possible that they used bing translate to make their table. So I'll ask again, is this file a quake engine thing? Is this a unique scripting thing to COD?I hope someone from SHG is monitoring and laughing at this thread.

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Not sure I 100% understand what Dumien Not sure I 100% understand whatis saying. He's either right or mostly right... or maybe wrong? "key" is probably not a good word to use in this context, "map" or "lookup table" are better. The "each single list" of terms thing is throwing me off. This is almost surely just 1 to 1 translation. It has to follow very simple rules. So I guess on that point you're wrong, you don't need the original software because what the software does is trivial. I think a key thing that nobody in this thread has touched on is the quotes. With your bing translation it appears to be matching the single quote character (which appears all over the place in klingon words) with the double quotes. So the quoting on the translation side ends up being pretty garbled which doesn't help its readability at all.



I'll clarify. Then you can judge my rightness...or wrongness lol. I don't know anything about computer science... but I do know a bit about how languages work.



In translation sometimes (alot of the times) there isn't a 1 to 1 relationship across languages (fictive or no). As in...you can have 3 words in language 1 that are roughly synonymous. However, language 2 only has one word that is roughly synonymous. Now pretend that some translation software knows of this relationship. Type any of the 3 words of language 1 and it will only spit out the single term in language 2. Is that the "lookup table" you are talking about?



It follows then... that each single word in our new "project" has a separate list of possible roughly synonymous terms. Also sometimes these cannot be purely synonymous terms (A=A B=B A=B), because each specific word has its own connotations and history...this is especially true across languages...and how linguistic misunderstandings are generated.



I'm assuming that lookup tables designed by different creators will not be identical (either because of inclusion or exclusion of terms duh). Thus, you would need a specific table in order to uncover the original document.

I'll clarify. Then you can judge my rightness...or wrongness lol. I don't know anything about computer science... but I do know a bit about how languages work.In translation sometimes (alot of the times) there isn't a 1 to 1 relationship across languages (fictive or no). As in...you can have 3 words in language 1 that are roughly synonymous. However, language 2 only has one word that is roughly synonymous. Now pretend that some translation software knows of this relationship. Type any of the 3 words of language 1 and it will only spit out the single term in language 2. Is that the "lookup table" you are talking about?It follows then... that each single word in our new "project" has a separate list of possible roughly synonymous terms. Also sometimes these cannot be purely synonymous terms (A=A B=B A=B), because each specific word has its own connotations and history...this is especially true across languages...and how linguistic misunderstandings are generated.I'm assuming that lookup tables designed by different creators will not be identical (either because of inclusion or exclusion of terms duh). Thus, you would need a specific table in order to uncover the original document.

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In translation sometimes (alot of the times) there isn't a 1 to 1 relationship across languages (fictive or no). As in...you can have 3 words in language 1 that are roughly synonymous. However, language 2 only has one word that is roughly synonymous. Now pretend that some translation software knows of this relationship. Type any of the 3 words of language 1 and it will only spit out the single term in language 2. Is that the "lookup table" you are talking about?

I'll clarify. Then you can judge my rightness...or wrongness lol. I don't know anything about computer science... but I do know a bit about how languages work.In translation sometimes (alot of the times) there isn't a 1 to 1 relationship across languages (fictive or no). As in...you can have 3 words in language 1 that are roughly synonymous. However, language 2 only has one word that is roughly synonymous. Now pretend that some translation software knows of this relationship. Type any of the 3 words of language 1 and it will only spit out the single term in language 2. Is that the "lookup table" you are talking about?



It follows then... that each single word in our new "project" has a separate list of possible roughly synonymous terms. Also sometimes these cannot be purely synonymous terms (A=A B=B A=B), because each specific word has its own connotations and history...this is especially true across languages...and how linguistic misunderstandings are generated.

It follows then... that each single word in our new "project" has a separate list of possible roughly synonymous terms. Also sometimes these cannot be purely synonymous terms (A=A B=B A=B), because each specific word has its own connotations and history...this is especially true across languages...and how linguistic misunderstandings are generated.

Well, sort of. There can be a list of roughly synonymous terms if we try to reverse engineer what the translation is. But, it's still 1 to 1 in the sense that it is meant to be parsed by a computer and that each klingon word or phrase will always translate to the same english word.

I'm assuming that lookup tables designed by different creators will not be identical (either because of inclusion or exclusion of terms duh). Thus, you would need a specific table in order to uncover the original document.

I'm assuming that lookup tables designed by different creators will not be identical (either because of inclusion or exclusion of terms duh). Thus, you would need a specific table in order to uncover the original document.

But it's probably not unreasonable to reverse engineer the table. Since klingon isn't much of a real language there are limited resources as far as translating. And since what is translated is computer code, there is a limited about of English that you're starting with.



For example, look at the first line.



nuH De'



The bing translation that ChloeB42 (Alexcalibur42)



But bing is trying to do what you describe. Translate some meaning instead of doing a word by word replace. But translation software kind of sucks so it can be painfully wrong. Since those two Klingon words weren't enclosed by quotes, it's likely that they are not meant to be translated together in that way. If you translate just nuH you get "possibility", and if you translate just "De'" you get "data".



"possibility" doesn't sound very computer code. But "data" seems reasonable. Better than Arsenal Computer at least. Now De' doesn't appear anywhere else in the excerpt, but maybe it's in other files. I'd feel pretty confident that it's data. nUh on the other hand is all over the place. If you bing translate it yourself, you'll see a handy feature where if you highlight a word, it highlights the corresponding part in the other language. This makes it very obvious that in alex's post a lot of the "in a"s and "of the"s probably shouldn't be there at all. But more importantly, if you highlight "nuH", it often says "weapon". That seems reasonable, so I'd assume that anytime you see "nuH" it should translate as "weapon", and thus the first thing isn't "Arsenal Computer", it's "weapon data".



Maybe a longer line will illustrate the point a little better... check out: mIw pa''e' vang wa'



Full line translation of that: in recognition of the first action room



Wtf. But if you translate each word separately you get: stage room act one



Ok, maybe still not great, but it's probably a lot closer.



I also notice that having quotes up against a klingon word maybe makes it translate differently. But in computer code quotes are just quotes, they organize strings. So I think a more useful starting point than the straight bing translation would be to translate each word individually and without any quotes.



From the other side maybe a useful starting point would be to make a short list of expected terms, maybe based on a previous game's weapon files and translate those through bing, and do a simple replace of any such terms. The more hits you get from that, the easier the rest will be from context. Not really, because I'm not really concerned with any meaningful translations. The lookup table here is one-to-one.Well, sort of. There can be a list of roughly synonymous terms if we try to reverse engineer what the translation is. But, it's still 1 to 1 in the sense that it is meant to be parsed by a computer and that each klingon word or phrase will always translate to the same english word.But it's probably not unreasonable to reverse engineer the table. Since klingon isn't much of a real language there are limited resources as far as translating. And since what is translated is computer code, there is a limited about of English that you're starting with.For example, look at the first line.nuH De'The bing translation thatposted for that is Arsenal ComputerBut bing is trying to do what you describe. Translate some meaning instead of doing a word by word replace. But translation software kind of sucks so it can be painfully wrong. Since those two Klingon words weren't enclosed by quotes, it's likely that they are not meant to be translated together in that way. If you translate just nuH you get "possibility", and if you translate just "De'" you get "data"."possibility" doesn't sound very computer code. But "data" seems reasonable. Better than Arsenal Computer at least. Now De' doesn't appear anywhere else in the excerpt, but maybe it's in other files. I'd feel pretty confident that it's data. nUh on the other hand is all over the place. If you bing translate it yourself, you'll see a handy feature where if you highlight a word, it highlights the corresponding part in the other language. This makes it very obvious that in alex's post a lot of the "in a"s and "of the"s probably shouldn't be there at all. But more importantly, if you highlight "nuH", it often says "weapon". That seems reasonable, so I'd assume that anytime you see "nuH" it should translate as "weapon", and thus the first thing isn't "Arsenal Computer", it's "weapon data".Maybe a longer line will illustrate the point a little better... check out: mIw pa''e' vang wa'Full line translation of that: in recognition of the first action roomWtf. But if you translate each word separately you get: stage room act oneOk, maybe still not great, but it's probably a lot closer.I also notice that having quotes up against a klingon word maybe makes it translate differently. But in computer code quotes are just quotes, they organize strings. So I think a more useful starting point than the straight bing translation would be to translate each word individually and without any quotes.From the other side maybe a useful starting point would be to make a short list of expected terms, maybe based on a previous game's weapon files and translate those through bing, and do a simple replace of any such terms. The more hits you get from that, the easier the rest will be from context.

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Pegasus Actual said: There can be a list of roughly synonymous terms if we try to reverse engineer what the translation is. But, it's still 1 to 1 in the sense that it is meant to be parsed by a computer and that each klingon word or phrase will always translate to the same english word.



This is the reverse of what I am talking about. Each Klingon word will of course translate to one English word, because the Klingon language is smaller. What I'm saying is.... perhaps this text was first typed in English, then fed into a translation program.



For example... If you type "yes" and "yeah" into Bing Klingon translate "HIja" will be the result for both cases.

If you type "Hija" into the Bing English translation only "yes" will be the result.



Using reverse translation one might never know that Hija translates to "Yeah." This is a bad example... since of course yeah=yes...but it seems to prove (at least with Bing) that there isn't a strictly 1 to 1 relationship at work here.



I still find it funny that we are talking about this.This is the reverse of what I am talking about. Each Klingon word will of course translate to one English word, because the Klingon language is smaller. What I'm saying is.... perhaps this text was first typed in English, then fed into a translation program.For example... If you type "yes" and "yeah" into Bing Klingon translate "HIja" will be the result for both cases.If you type "Hija" into the Bing English translation only "yes" will be the result.Using reverse translation one might never know that Hija translates to "Yeah." This is a bad example... since of course yeah=yes...but it seems to prove (at least with Bing) that there isn't a strictly 1 to 1 relationship at work here.

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Member Back to Top Post by mannon on I think pegasus has it here. It wouldn't make much sense to simply run the code through a translator specifically because the mapping wouldn't be one to one. Just look at the youtube channel Google Translate Sings where they run the lyrics through google translate several times and back to English then sing the gibberish it returns. But as pointed out, this is computer code, not just some bit of text. So if two words are meant to be different in the code and the translation could make them the same word it would break the code. In other words it's not a translation, but a one to one cipher. Or possibly a one to many cipher, but I doubt they put that much work into it.



Since I'm fairly certain they didn't work on the code in this form I would be willing to bet they either wrote a cipher program that would convert all the scripts just before compiling or actually just put the cipher into their compile process it-self so that in goes English and out comes Klingon. They probably thought it a clever way to obfuscate the code, but they'd likely have to use nonsense words to really make it difficult and even then some level of reverse engineering could be accomplished based on structure and testing, (though it would be ludicrously difficult without some hints and shortcuts).



Honestly I don't think're giving us the finger either. I think they're just trolling us a bit. ;3 It might mean extra work reverse engineering the cipher, but it should get easier the more of it we decode. If they had really wanted to make it impossible to decode, they probably could have. I think this only represents a few hours extra work for someone to put together a cipher and plug it into their build process. Hell they may have just found a cipher online and used it.

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Member Back to Top Post by Pentaza on Pegasus Actual said:



Maybe a better example of it being more translatable than bing lets on:



Original:



"QIH nach ghISDen bach" "wa' loS"

"QIH ro ghISDen" "wa' pagh"

"QIH DeS ghISDen" "wa' pagh"

"QIH 'uS ghISDen" "wa' pagh"



Bing:

"Head DAMAGE scales shot" "the story of the first four"

"The WRONG one" or "chest scales"

"WRONG Arm scales" "or one"

"This is the WRONG leg scales" "no one"



Translating word by word and applying an ounce of sense:

"damage head scale shot" "1 4"

"damage chest scale" "1 0"

"damage arm scale" "1 0"

"damage leg scale" "1 0"



It was almost certainly typed in english (well english-like computer code) and then translated. But, the thing is they can't translate both "yes" and "yeah", because they are translating computer code. So if more than one english word can map to a single klingon word, then the translation breaks, and the code doesn't work.Maybe a better example of it being more translatable than bing lets on:Original:"QIH nach ghISDen bach" "wa' loS""QIH ro ghISDen" "wa' pagh""QIH DeS ghISDen" "wa' pagh""QIH 'uS ghISDen" "wa' pagh"Bing:"Head DAMAGE scales shot" "the story of the first four""The WRONG one" or "chest scales""WRONG Arm scales" "or one""This is the WRONG leg scales" "no one"Translating word by word and applying an ounce of sense:"damage head scale shot" "1 4""damage chest scale" "1 0""damage arm scale" "1 0""damage leg scale" "1 0"

Do we have the equivalent files (in English) from previous games? Maybe the BOII file, given the similarities between that and AW. We should be able to crack this given that we know what the result should look like. We know the basic structure, and we know the list of perks, attachments and stuff. Things we have to be aware of are where they ditched specific perks and stuff from BOII but left it in the config files, plus new stuff they've added.



With basic initial translation - enough to give us a clue as to what each line is referring to - plus a side-by-side comparison of what we're expecting, we'll get it done. Do we have the equivalent files (in English) from previous games? Maybe the BOII file, given the similarities between that and AW. We should be able to crack this given that we know what the result should look like. We know the basic structure, and we know the list of perks, attachments and stuff. Things we have to be aware of are where they ditched specific perks and stuff from BOII but left it in the config files, plus new stuff they've added.With basic initial translation - enough to give us a clue as to what each line is referring to - plus a side-by-side comparison of what we're expecting, we'll get it done.