Yes, that is exactly what is happening, with consequences we can all see. One must remember the central truth, for example, about Easter and Passover. We are all called out of the house of bondage, even as the Jews were called out of their bondage in Egypt. We are called out of bondage in the way in which the moon throws off its shadow to emerge anew, in the way that life throws off the shadow of death. Easter and Passover have the same roots; we are called out of bondage to our old tradition. Easter is not Easter and Passover is not Passover unless they release us even from the tradition that gives us these feasts.

Easter and Passover are prime symbols of what we are faced with in the space age. We are challenged both mystically and socially, because our ideas of the universe have been reordered by our experience in space. The consequence is that we can no longer hold onto the religious symbols that we formulated when we thought that the earth was the center of the universe.

You are saying that the perennial power of myth is that it can shed one formulation — such as the pre‐Copernican notion of an earth down here and a heaven up there — and yet retain and renew its strength. That means that we are experiencing the mythological truth, in the very challenge to give up the religious understanding of the universe that is very strong in JudeoChristian imagery. But that the Passover‐Easter experience demands that we do that.

Easter and Passover make us experience in ourselves a call out of bondage, yes, but so experiencing them does not destroy the religious tradition. Understanding these symbols in their transcendent spiritual sense enables us to see and to possess our religious traditions freshly. The space age demands that we change our ideas about ourselves, but we want to hold onto them. That is why there is a resurgence of oldfashioned orthodoxy in so many areas at the present time. There are no horizons in space, and there can be no horizons in our own experience. We cannot hold onto ourselves and our in‐groups as we once did. The space age makes that impossible, but people reject this demand or don't want to think about it. So they pull back into one true church, or black power, or the unions, or the capitalist class.

Then the space age challenges everything that makes us earth‐centered or grourrcentered.

Easter and Passover offer the perfect symbob because they mean that we are called to a new life. This new life is not very well defined: That is why we want to bold ante tbe past. The journey toffs new life — and it is a journey we must all make —cannot be made unless we let go of the past. The reality of living in space means that we are born anew, not born again to an old‐time religion but to a new order of things. There are no horizons — that is the meaning of the space age. We are in a free fall into a future that is mysterious. It is very fluid and this is disconcerting to many people. All you have to do is know how to use a parachute.

An awareness of mythological truth alerts us to the fact that our Easter experience is not just remembering historical events, but that we are experiencing in ourselves Passover and Easter, that what we feel is the pull of the space age on our own religious consciousness.

Yes, we can feel it in ourselves. The space age, which many people want to forget or write off as a bad investment, is central to all this. Ten years ago this summer, we had the great symbol of the change that has taken place. Men stood on the moon and looked back —and by television we were able to look back with them — to see ea rth rise. That is the symbol that enabled us to feel the truth of the discovery Copernicus made four and a quarter centuries ago. Until then, we may have agreed theoretically with Copernicus but his map of the universe was not available to us, except to mathematicians and astronomers. It was an invisible idea and we could go on thinking, as we did, about an earth down here and a heaven up there, about a religious idea in which everything was divided along the same lines that the heavens and the earth were divided.