Catch a Giants game this season? Then you know their defense stinks.

In fact, the Giants’ defense has given up 35 yards per drive in the first five games of the season, which ranks 30th of 32 NFL teams. That’s 4.3 yards worse than the league average, according to Pro-Football-Reference.

Yet somehow the Giants are allowing a not-terrible 21.8 points a game and find themselves atop the NFC East with a 3-2 record. For that, they can thank their two most-valuable players: veteran Pro Bowl quarterback Eli Manning, and unsung second-year punter Brad Wing.

Thanks to their work, the Giants’ opponents are starting their drives at an average of their own 21-yard line, according to Pro-Football-Reference. That’s the worst field position in the NFL, 6.4 yards closer to their own end zones than the league average.

In other words, even though the Giants are letting their opponents gain an extra 4.3 yards per drive, it’s more than offset by the extra 6.4 yards the opponents must travel to reach the end zone.