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EMS Fall Season

LAN Finals



The EMS One LAN Finals in Tychy, Poland, are just around the corner, bringing some of the top teams in Western Dota together to battle it out for the $12,000 first place prize. The finals will feature 8 teams split into 2 groups (A/B), where they will play a bo1 double elimination style round robin, with the top 2 of each group advancing to the single elimination finals.



EMS has had some troubles the past few weeks with teams dropping out. So far we have seen Take 5 disband (they weren't replaced), Team ONE replace Empire, VG replace Team DK, and just earlier today aAa was announced to be replacing mousesports. All is well now though, and the finals are looking like they will be really good this time around. Let's see what EMS has in store for you this weekend!











Natus Vincere (46-36 56.1%)





Natus Vincere are coming off their huge win at the Dreamleague finals at DHW, as well as a decent showing at MLG Columbus. Before Dreamleague we mentioned Na`Vi are the winningest team in 2013, and while their 6.79 winrate doesn’t seem all too impressive, they win games when it matters the most, at LAN. With some of the best individually skilled players in the world, along with a world class drafter in Puppey, Na`Vi will almost certainly place in the top 4 at EMS.



Sigma.int ( 30-16 65.2%)





Sigma.int were considered the underdogs going into MLG Columbus a few weeks ago. While they came in with a decent winrate in 6.79, most of those games were against tier 2-3 teams so they weren’t expected to place anywhere near the top 4. In the end they proved everyone completely wrong, going 6-2 in the group stages and securing the 2nd place seed in the playoffs. They were eliminated in the semi-finals by Speed Gaming.int, but with Speed’s run that weekend there is no shame in losing to them. With their 65.2% winrate in 6.79 so far, and their good placing at MLG, Sigma.int definitely proved they are a top tier team capable of winning the EMS One Lan Finals this weekend.



An important note to make is that Sigma.int wasn’t originally a part of EMS this season. miGGel was originally in Flipside Tactics, which disbanded after going 2-1 in the group stages. miGGel joined up with 7ckngMad to make a new team, which was eventually picked up by Sigma.



aAa ( 21-17 55.3%)





Earlier today mousesports announced that they were to withdraw from the EMS One LAN Finals. And with that aAa were called to be their replacement. They are a fairly unknown French team that has been playing well lately against tier 2-3 teams. With a 21-17 record in 6.79, they are probably a better choice to play in these finals than Mouz anyways. aAa are known to have a very boring style, and have been noted to play a lot of chen and Invoker.



Vici Gaming ( 44-13 77.2%)





Vici Gaming have been performing like beasts so far in 6.79, boasting an insane 77.2% winrate. They are currently performing well in multiple leagues, such as WPC where they ended 3rd after the group stages beneath iG and DK (placing below these teams isn’t bad at all), and in D2L where VG are currently in the final 4. Vici are coming into EMS as the replacement for DK, who were originally the Chinese seed. Their current roster is extremely strong with the recent acquisition of Sylar as their new carry (Tutu is still playing WPC due to their contract). Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players, but with their current lineup they have strong leadership and experience, along with some of the best drafting we’ve seen from any team.







Alliance ( 58-21 73.4%)





Alliance in some respects are still one of the best, if not the best team out there. Their recent poor performances at MLG and Dreamleague are only minor roadblocks in my mind. Alliance’s 73.4% winrate in 6.79 is a pretty strong testament to their current status despite those two poor showings. Now with that being said, they aren’t the clear favourites as they once were. They are a top tier team, but with the rest of the Dota 2 scene catching on to their “Rat DotA” style they are nowhere near as dominant.



Fnatic ( 52-32 61.9%)





Fnatic have been shaping up extremely well as of late. Their play a few weekends ago in MLG was very solid, but unfortunately they just missed out on the top 4. Although last week at Dreamleague they surprised everyone with an impressive 2-1 victory over Alliance and then a 3-0 stomp against Natus Vincere. They ended up losing to Na`Vi in the finals, but Fnatic are finally showing their true potential, and are safely entering top tier status going into the EMS One LAN. That is if Sand King isn’t drafted for N0tail again. Jokes aside, Fly is a solid drafter and with the right heroes these HON allstars can achieve anything in Dota 2.



Startale ( 9-6 60%)





Startale are a very interesting case coming into the EMS One LAN Finals. As we all know, the Korean Dota 2 scene is very new, and frankly not anywhere near the level of any other scene out there. With that being said, Startale are the cream of the crop, consistently placing top 4 in Korean events, and winning the Nexon Sponsorship League Season 1, which secured their trip to Poland to compete at EMS. Startale is led by Tenbird, who isn’t a stranger to the Dota scene as he has been around the NA scene in the past. Startales first matches against non Korean teams in the Nexon Invitational didn’t go too well. They went 0-3 overall, but they definitely showed more resilience than the others.



Team ONE





Team ONE is coming in as the replacement for Team Empire. This Serbian based team has only been around for a few months, and with no stats available on their 6.79 play it’s tough to say how well they will do. Team one is made up of g0g1le, grizine, Zmaj, Valeera, and LokeLok. g0g1le and grizine were on the original Gamersleague which was picked up by Fnatic in 2011, as well as being recently on Infernity Gaming. Lokelok and grizine were also on Gamersleague in the 3-4th quarter of 2012, but on different squads. Valeera and Zmaj are Ex-Empire players Twista and Mitch as well. This will be an amazing opportunity for them at least, especially if they show us a few decent games. They were eliminated in the group play of EMS, going 1-2 in Group A. So they will be hungry to prove that bringing them back was the right decision.





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The EMS One LAN Finals in Tychy, Poland, are just around the corner, bringing some of the top teams in Western Dota together to battle it out for the $12,000 first place prize. The finals will feature 8 teams split into 2 groups (A/B), where they will play a bo1 double elimination style round robin, with the top 2 of each group advancing to the single elimination finals.EMS has had some troubles the past few weeks with teams dropping out. So far we have seen Take 5 disband (they weren't replaced), Team ONE replace Empire, VG replace Team DK, and just earlier today aAa was announced to be replacing mousesports. All is well now though, and the finals are looking like they will be really good this time around. Let's see what EMS has in store for you this weekend!Natus Vincere are coming off their huge win at the Dreamleague finals at DHW, as well as a decent showing at MLG Columbus. Before Dreamleague we mentioned Na`Vi are the winningest team in 2013, and while their 6.79 winrate doesn’t seem all too impressive, they win games when it matters the most, at LAN. With some of the best individually skilled players in the world, along with a world class drafter in Puppey, Na`Vi will almost certainly place in the top 4 at EMS.Sigma.int were considered the underdogs going into MLG Columbus a few weeks ago. While they came in with a decent winrate in 6.79, most of those games were against tier 2-3 teams so they weren’t expected to place anywhere near the top 4. In the end they proved everyone completely wrong, going 6-2 in the group stages and securing the 2nd place seed in the playoffs. They were eliminated in the semi-finals by Speed Gaming.int, but with Speed’s run that weekend there is no shame in losing to them. With their 65.2% winrate in 6.79 so far, and their good placing at MLG, Sigma.int definitely proved they are a top tier team capable of winning the EMS One Lan Finals this weekend.An important note to make is that Sigma.int wasn’t originally a part of EMS this season. miGGel was originally in Flipside Tactics, which disbanded after going 2-1 in the group stages. miGGel joined up with 7ckngMad to make a new team, which was eventually picked up by Sigma.Earlier today mousesports announced that they were to withdraw from the EMS One LAN Finals. And with that aAa were called to be their replacement. They are a fairly unknown French team that has been playing well lately against tier 2-3 teams. With a 21-17 record in 6.79, they are probably a better choice to play in these finals than Mouz anyways. aAa are known to have a very boring style, and have been noted to play a lot of chen and Invoker.Vici Gaming have been performing like beasts so far in 6.79, boasting an insane 77.2% winrate. They are currently performing well in multiple leagues, such as WPC where they ended 3rd after the group stages beneath iG and DK (placing below these teams isn’t bad at all), and in D2L where VG are currently in the final 4. Vici are coming into EMS as the replacement for DK, who were originally the Chinese seed. Their current roster is extremely strong with the recent acquisition of Sylar as their new carry (Tutu is still playing WPC due to their contract). Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players, but with their current lineup they have strong leadership and experience, along with some of the best drafting we’ve seen from any team.Alliance in some respects are still one of the best, if notbest team out there. Their recent poor performances at MLG and Dreamleague are only minor roadblocks in my mind. Alliance’s 73.4% winrate in 6.79 is a pretty strong testament to their current status despite those two poor showings. Now with that being said, they aren’t the clear favourites as they once were. They are a top tier team, but with the rest of the Dota 2 scene catching on to their “Rat DotA” style they are nowhere near as dominant.Fnatic have been shaping up extremely well as of late. Their play a few weekends ago in MLG was very solid, but unfortunately they just missed out on the top 4. Although last week at Dreamleague they surprised everyone with an impressive 2-1 victory over Alliance and then a 3-0 stomp against Natus Vincere. They ended up losing to Na`Vi in the finals, but Fnatic are finally showing their true potential, and are safely entering top tier status going into the EMS One LAN. That is if Sand King isn’t drafted for N0tail again. Jokes aside, Fly is a solid drafter and with the right heroes these HON allstars can achieve anything in Dota 2.Startale are a very interesting case coming into the EMS One LAN Finals. As we all know, the Korean Dota 2 scene is very new, and frankly not anywhere near the level of any other scene out there. With that being said, Startale are the cream of the crop, consistently placing top 4 in Korean events, and winning the Nexon Sponsorship League Season 1, which secured their trip to Poland to compete at EMS. Startale is led by Tenbird, who isn’t a stranger to the Dota scene as he has been around the NA scene in the past. Startales first matches against non Korean teams in the Nexon Invitational didn’t go too well. They went 0-3 overall, but they definitely showed more resilience than the others.Team ONE is coming in as the replacement for Team Empire. This Serbian based team has only been around for a few months, and with no stats available on their 6.79 play it’s tough to say how well they will do. Team one is made up of g0g1le, grizine, Zmaj, Valeera, and LokeLok. g0g1le and grizine were on the original Gamersleague which was picked up by Fnatic in 2011, as well as being recently on Infernity Gaming. Lokelok and grizine were also on Gamersleague in the 3-4th quarter of 2012, but on different squads. Valeera and Zmaj are Ex-Empire players Twista and Mitch as well. This will be an amazing opportunity for them at least, especially if they show us a few decent games. They were eliminated in the group play of EMS, going 1-2 in Group A. So they will be hungry to prove that bringing them back was the right decision. Administrator

Tephus Profile Joined May 2011 Cascadia 999 Posts #2 Curious to see how StarTale match up against lower tier western teams like Team ONE. Administrator Senior Esports Manager

MirageTaN Profile Joined June 2012 Singapore 454 Posts #3 I think StarTale will fare well against ONE but Alliance and Fnatic , I dun think so. #TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL

Spicy_Curry Profile Joined March 2011 United States 7410 Posts #4 Vici is going to demolish High Risk Low Reward

vndestiny Profile Joined September 2011 Singapore 1892 Posts #5 Can it be that Super and Rotk get a first place finish before Burning in dota2 ? That would be quite comical lol.

maru~ Profile Joined February 2013 1041 Posts #6 Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?

WetSocks Profile Joined June 2012 United States 218 Posts Last Edited: 2013-12-07 03:43:33 #7 Why does vici suddenly kills everyone...hope vici do well against non chinese

versace Profile Joined December 2013 1 Post #8 On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

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Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

TheEmulator Profile Joined July 2010 12999 Posts #9 On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

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On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. Administrator

maru~ Profile Joined February 2013 1041 Posts #10 On December 07 2013 13:25 TheEmulator wrote:

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On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event.

They are definitely one of the best teams when it comes to individual skill. Which teams would you place higher in that regard other than maybe DK and iG? They are definitely one of the best teams when it comes to individual skill. Which teams would you place higher in that regard other than maybe DK and iG?

lilopuppy Profile Joined August 2012 Philippines 359 Posts #11 IMO, the reason "individual skill" doesn't shine in China is because their strats aren't predicated on "skillful plays", rather, execution as a team. I mean, top 4 of TI3's 1v1 tournament, 3 were from Asia, and with Chinese players being grouped together. All the way to TI322!

DavoS Profile Joined October 2012 United States 2689 Posts #12 On December 07 2013 13:25 TheEmulator wrote:

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On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event.

In my opinion, Super and rOtk are playing way better than they did when they were on DK. And they draft Bristleboss! In my opinion, Super and rOtk are playing way better than they did when they were on DK. And they draft Bristleboss! "KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000

wuhan_clan Profile Joined April 2012 United States 3933 Posts #13 On December 07 2013 14:03 DavoS wrote:

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On December 07 2013 13:25 TheEmulator wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event.

In my opinion, Super and rOtk are playing way better than they did when they were on DK. And they draft Bristleboss! In my opinion, Super and rOtk are playing way better than they did when they were on DK. And they draft Bristleboss!



Super was always a really good mid but perhaps a step below other dominant mids in Chinese scene like a Mushi or Ferrari. However, I feel mid play has been increasingly more about how well the supports gank/protect the mid lane.

ROTK has really improved his game a lot after stepping into the leadership role. He has cut down on his feeding substantially and has been making a lot of big plays for VG.

The FY/Fenrir support due is probably one of the strongest in Dota 2 right now. These guys have improved so much; VG has come a long way since their early days of being "a group of pub stars". Now they can legitimately call themselves real stars.

Nah, VG doesn't have the best individual players but that perception can all change instantly when a team starts winning.

Super was always a really good mid but perhaps a step below other dominant mids in Chinese scene like a Mushi or Ferrari. However, I feel mid play has been increasingly more about how well the supports gank/protect the mid lane.ROTK has really improved his game a lot after stepping into the leadership role. He has cut down on his feeding substantially and has been making a lot of big plays for VG.The FY/Fenrir support due is probably one of the strongest in Dota 2 right now. These guys have improved so much; VG has come a long way since their early days of being "a group of pub stars". Now they can legitimately call themselves real stars.Nah, VG doesn't have the best individual players but that perception can all change instantly when a team starts winning.

CodeskyE Profile Joined January 2011 United States 110 Posts #14 On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

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Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Thats some serious disrespect towards sylar,whos possibly a top 4 or 5 carry in china.



Also, fy/fenrir support is amazing. Thats some serious disrespect towards sylar,whos possibly a top 4 or 5 carry in china.Also, fy/fenrir support is amazing.

treeqt Profile Joined November 2011 Germany 118 Posts Last Edited: 2013-12-07 06:36:50 #15 On December 07 2013 13:25 TheEmulator wrote:

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On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event.



Still, as of right now I see everyone but maybe rotk as a top 3-5 player on their respective position. Still, as ofI see everyone but maybe rotk as a top 3-5 player on their respective position.

NB Profile Joined February 2010 Netherlands 3919 Posts #16 I will be cheering for fnatic. Their play style lately is really fun to watch while generating a lot of good result Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB

Kirsed Profile Joined May 2013 8485 Posts Last Edited: 2013-12-07 08:01:31 #17 On December 07 2013 13:25 TheEmulator wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 07 2013 12:45 versace wrote:

On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players. Yea i find that statement kinda weird as Sylar is considered one of the best carries in the east. Despite rotk feeding/over aggressiveness, he's a pretty solid off laner. And fy/fenrir support duo is very strong, especially fy who's prolly their standout player as he even won a solo mid tournament a while ago against some of china's best mid players.

I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrong



I'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event. I need to rephrase that a bit. It came off wrongI'm not saying their individual skill is bad, just that I didn't think they were the best team in that regard. Actually I should probably remove that statement completely since the teams with better individual skill aren't even in this event.



It's my belief and what I thought to be the consensus that VG support duo at the least was the most individually skilled players in the east outside of DK. For their respective roles. It's my belief and what I thought to be the consensus that VG support duo at the least was the most individually skilled players in the east outside of DK. For their respective roles.

ForTehDarkseid Profile Joined April 2013 5463 Posts Last Edited: 2013-12-07 08:46:28 #18 On December 07 2013 15:33 CodeskyE wrote:

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On December 07 2013 12:05 maru~ wrote:

Vici Gaming aren’t the most impressive in terms of individually skilled players

What the fuck am I reading? What the fuck am I reading?



Thats some serious disrespect towards sylar,whos possibly a top 4 or 5 carry in china.



Also, fy/fenrir support is amazing. Thats some serious disrespect towards sylar,whos possibly a top 4 or 5 carry in china.Also, fy/fenrir support is amazing.

Top 4? I'd say Top 2. Top 4? I'd say Top 2. I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel

HeadlessWonder Profile Joined January 2013 United States 477 Posts #19 poor aAa has a pretty brutal group. CIS Doto

TheEmulator Profile Joined July 2010 12999 Posts #20 On December 07 2013 17:57 HeadlessWonder wrote:

poor aAa has a pretty brutal group.

Yeah, lol. Honestly they might do better than Mouz would have anyways, kind of interested to see. Yeah, lol. Honestly they might do better than Mouz would have anyways, kind of interested to see. Administrator

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