Karren Brady clashes with a man who says women are to blame for not getting equal pay (Picture: Channel 5)

Karren Brady gets into a tense debate with a man who believes women are at fault for not being given equal pay for the same work as men.

The Apprentice star speaks to Justice For Men And Boys founder Michael Buchanan says that women fall behind by choosing to take maternity leave to bring up their children, while men ‘pick up the slack’ and go ‘unappreciated’.

He also questions whether employers should ‘bend over backwards’ to promote women over men in the work place.

In their heated interview Michael takes issue with supermarket workers campaigning for equal pay.


He says: ‘Those are many females in the shops checking out the crisps and nappies, and it’s mainly men in the warehouse.



‘If women want to earn the higher wages that come with warehouse work they should damn well work in the warehouse.’

Karren replies: ‘You make that comment, you’ve never met the women, you don’t really know or understand what they do, and you don’t understand how valuable it is to the organisation.’

‘The idea that they’re equivalent to the shop workers jobs is a joke Karren,’ Michael fires back.

Karren says: ‘I don’t really know what to say to you.’

Karren argues that those who work on the shop floor in supermarkets should be paid the same as those in the warehouse (Picture: Channel 5)

Michael adds: ‘Men and women make different choices. Women will take time out to bring up children and so on. Given the choice they will take it, and men have to take up the slack and never get any damn appreciation for it.’

‘What gives you the right to speak for women?’ Karren asks

‘I think attitudes to women…maybe yours, haven’t changed, but attitudes to women have changed.’

Michael says it is ‘narcissistic’ to suggest companies are more profitable with more women in senior positions (Picture: Channel 5)

Michael shoots back: ‘It’s all hyperbole. It’s all “women are strong, women are amazing, women need gender quotas”…is there something wrong with women that they have to have all these government initiatives, that they have to bend over backwards to promote women over men?’

When Karren puts to him statistics that have shown companies are more profitable with women sitting on the board, Michael replies: ‘The narcissism implicit in that is just mind blowing.’

In the documentary, called Why Do Men Earn More Than Women?, Karren also reveals that she made sure they would be no pay discrepancy between herself and anyone else on The Apprentice.

She says: ‘I knew that no one was getting paid more than me because it was a clause I absolutely insisted on being put into the contract.’

Karren’s documentary airs tonight at 10pm on Channel 5.

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