subj.in this forum its popular topic,talk about evil stalin.so lets start with proofs/quotes.we talk about kills.soljenitsin qoute interview in Madrid, March 20, 1976 (google translate )" Of course, no one will ever publish official statistics on how many died in our country 's security regime war against the people. But Professor Coorg photons indirectly estimated that from 1917 to 1959 only on the internal war of the Soviet regime against its own people , that is, from the destruction of his hunger, collectivization , referring to the destruction of the peasants , prisons , camps , simple executions - only from we died together with our civil war , 66 million people. This figure is almost impossible to imagine. It is impossible to believe. Professor Barrows brings another figure : how much we lost in World War II . This figure is also impossible to imagine. This war was fought without regard to divisions , housings , with millions of people . According to his calculations , we lost , whether in World War II from neglect , from her dowdy reference 44000000 human rights ! So, we lost all of the socialist system - 110 million people !"ussr populationdocument for nikita kruschev,short translate:In connection with entering the CPSU signals from a number of people about the illegal condemnation of counterrevolutionary crimes in the past College of the OGPU , NKVD threes , a special meeting , the Military Collegium , courts and military tribunals and in accordance with your instructions on the need to review the cases of persons convicted for counterrevolutionary crimes and is now contained in the camps and prisons , we report : during the period from 1921 to the present time for counterrevolutionary crimes were convicted 3,777,380 people , including to capital punishment - 642,980 people to the content in the camps and prisons for a period of 25 years old and under - 2,369,220 into exile and expulsion - 765,180 people.Of the total number of convicts , approximately, convicted : 2.900.000 people - College of the OGPU , NKVD and triples Special Meeting and 877,000 people - courts by military tribunals , and Spetskollegiey Military Collegium .It should be noted ... that established by Decree of the CEC and SNK on November 5, 1934 Special Meeting of the NKVD , which lasted until September 1, 1953 , 442,531 people were convicted , including to capital punishment - 10,101 people to prison - 360,921 people to exile and expulsion ( within the country) - 57,539 people and other punishments (offset time in detention , deportation abroad, compulsory treatment ) - 3,970 people ...Attorney General R.RudenkoInterior Minister S.KruglovJustice Minister K.Gorshenin(demotivator text:found here 100 millions which told on TV)some qoutes by herbert wells about ussr situation (book "russia in shadow")At the end of 1917, Russia has experienced such a comprehensive collapse of what notknew no social system of our time. when the governmentKerensky entered into the world , and the British navy has not facilitatedsituation in the Baltic Sea , lounging Russian army fell from the front linesand rushed back to Russia - an avalanche of armed peasants returninghome without hope, without food , without any discipline. it wasthe destruction of the time full of social decay. It was the collapse ofsociety. In many places, peasant revolts broke out . arsonestates were often accompanied by violent revenge against the landlords . it wasdespair caused by the explosion of the darkest forces of human nature , and inmost cases, the Communists are not responsible for these largecrime than, say , the Australian Government . In broad daylight on the streetsMoscow and Petrograd people robbed and stripped , and nobody interfered . bodylay dead in ditches sometimes for days together , and pedestrians wereby not paying attention to them . Armed men , often posingfor Red Guards burst into the apartment , robbed and killed . At the beginning1918 new , Bolshevik government had to wage a brutalstruggle not only with the counterrevolution , but also with thieves and bandits of all stripes.And only by mid-1918 , after thousands were shotrobbers and looters , elementary restored calm in the streetslarge Russian cities. Some time Russia was not civilizedcountry, and the rapid whirlpool lawlessness and violence , where weak , inexperiencedgovernment was fighting not only unwise foreign interventionbut with full internal decomposition. And Russia is still makinga huge effort to get out of this chaos.one more quote.As any idiot to a minor , in the history of the Soviet Union, there was nothing but repression. Throughout the 73 years of our history - continuous repression , the total destruction of the people and devouring babies Stalin personally . One half of the country was sitting , and other protected . There was no free people, no free labor. Neither giant construction projects nationwide ( without the participation of prisoners ) , no great achievements ( without the participation of prisoners) or spaceflight ( without the participation of prisoners) . Nothing at all in it - only camp from Moscow to Kolyma . And everywhere , clear repression.Actually , the question of repression - a litmus test immediately identify psihbolnyh with unhealthy fixation. " You want to say , repression was not ?" - Asks the young psihbolnoy yesterday to learn the truth . Underage not know who brought the country to the three revolutions ( all revolutions gave Stalin personally to destroy the Russian people ) , the juvenile does not know anything about the tragedy of the Civil War ( Civil War gave Stalin to destroy the Russian people, who are not able to kill three of the revolution ) . Young knowledge derives from transmission Svanidze and Posner , who get their knowledge from filing perestroika magazine Ogonek .So were the repression in Russia or not? Needless to say, were . In Russia, there was a revolution , and therefore - were repression. For there is no revolution without repression. Revolution in England were - were in England and repression were the Revolution in France - were in France and repression. Exactly the same thing happened in Russia. By and large, any change of power entails repression of varying degrees of severity . Does killing with people? Yes, always kill . Is Russia something exceptional in the matter of post- revolutionary repression ? Not at all, Russia is the same country as everyone else. It all happens on the same social laws .How many people were killed during the repression in the USSR ? About it for a long time told us Solzhenitsyn: during repression killed 110 million people . Naturally , this nonsense unconditionally accepted on faith idiots . Naturally, it is this nonsense has been used as an ideological battering ram for the collapse and destruction of the country. Is there may be a state , Kotra destroyed 110 million people ? No, it can not , it must destroy itself . What actually happened .However, we know that Solzhenitsyn had never seen a single document on repression and the numbers just invented . That does not interfere in his ravings psihbolnym believe. Decades instead of facts presented to the public or raving lunatic type Solzhenitsyn , or outright lie type programs on TV . Ask a question about real figures of repression - and the young idiot go into hysterics , breathless squeal " you deny the fact of repression ! " and demonstrating the depth of mental disorder.Not surprisingly, the real figures of repression in democratic Russia - a strict taboo. Liberal ideology decisively rejects the scientific approach , because brainwashing is not based on science, but on appeal to the emotions . After all, if we call the real numbers , it is somewhat unclear for what, destroyed the country ? For what ruined people? Answers to these questions must be carefully avoided , because if you give them the answer - will have to answer for their actions . But , nevertheless , occasionally there attempt at a scientific approach to the problem . For example , a citizen Zemskov worked in archives and published some figures.It should be understood that the citizen is not perfect Zemskov researcher - sometimes purely biased , sometimes divided into " liberal views ." You should not take his words as a revelation. The historian's task - non-disclosure of " the moral aspects of what was happening ," for morally whole history of mankind is nothing but a chain of heinous crimes . In tightly covered with Russian propaganda is almost no one understands. Understands this and sheriff , oddly enough for a historian .Nevertheless , a citizen Zemskov worked with documents and says fun places .So the interview.- Are there any exact numbers of victims of Stalinist repression ?- The term "repression" can be interpreted in different ways. I confine myself to " political repression ", ie those citizens who have been incriminated article 58 of the Criminal Code ( counter-revolutionary activities and other serious crimes against the state ) and who were sentenced to death or other punishments . From 1921 to 1953 these were about 4 million people. Of these, about 800,000 were sentenced to death . Furthermore , we assume that about 600,000 died in prison , so that the total number of victims reaches 1.4 million people .- Are any number of these 4 million, of which 1.4 were killed , "kulaks" deported peoples , etc.?- " Fists " are divided into three categories . One of them are arrested and condemned as political criminals . Yes, they are included in our statistics . The other group consists arrested and deported to the north , and the third - those who simply was banished from the village and began to work at the factory. The latter two groups - the most numerous - we have not taken into account , so that among these 4 million "kulaks" bit.- Why are they not included ? Is the expulsion and deportation to the north are not repression ?- Yes, but they have not been convicted . Their only deported , and they confiscated the property . There is reason to argue ...- That is, if there is no official verdict , there is no repression ?- This is the only way to distinguish between politically repressed and those who experienced suffering in general. We believe that since 1918 , when the expropriation of landowners , capitalists and the clergy, the repressed are those who have been arrested by the Cheka, though, even if they were not arrested , they lost all their property . To the " kulaks " would come with the same criterion: the repressed - is arrested , while the deportees were simply victims of socio-economic transformation - Cruel and based on egalitarianism . This can be applicable to most of the Soviet population , because to some extent it has experienced suffering hunger, poor living conditions , etc.- Yes, it is true, but should be considered as repressed and other victims of terror , which often mortality was very high. For example, the most convincing studies show that 1.1-1.2 million families of the "kulaks" were destroyed in the process of collectivization , and how many of these 5.5-6 million died ?- The figure is not yet established . In the bibliography are absurd figures - from 6 to 10 million killed , among them 3 to 7 million in Ukraine. However, due to demographic statistics , we know that in 1932 Ukraine 780,000 people were born and died - 668,000 , while in 1933, 359,000 were born and died - 1.3 million These figures included natural mortality , but it is clear that the main cause of death in these years was the hunger.- Ukrainian nationalists consider it a national genocide against the Ukrainians , and you agree with that?- No, because in the same position were residents of the North Caucasus , the Volga region and Kazakhstan , where he reigned hunger. It was necessary to carry out the plan , seizing part of the harvest , but because of the drought had to confiscate the entire crop . The state has committed a crime against all farmers , regardless of their nationality.- 14 nationalities of the USSR were deported completely, and 48 - partially. Only among Caucasian ethnic groups were deported 650,000 people: it was carried out during the three military operations , which were attended by 100,000 troops , not counting 19,000 NKVD . What do you think about mortality in this period?- In the course of the deportation operation she was not very large . For example , if we talk about the Crimean Tatars , in each train as 2-3 people died , mostly elderly. Total killed 191 people . However, after arriving in Uzbekistan , tens of thousands of people died . In the first year after the relocation mortality several times greater than the birth rate. As for the Chechens , the exact figures are unknown , but died on the way too few , and the new place - yes.- Why was elected this time period : 1921-1953 ? Is repression after 1953 was no more ?- In the period from 1937 to 1953 during the repression , killing many people. In the most violent period - 1937-38 years - have been convicted of more than 1.3 million people , of which nearly 700,000 were executed. In 1951 he was convicted of almost 55 000 people , in 1952 - 29 000 ... Turning to 1958, when Stalin was not there : the number of convictions was less than in 2000 , among them were sentenced to death 69 people . That is the scope of repression decreased by 20 times compared with the beginning of the 50s , and hundreds of times , compared to 30 - mi years. Beginning with Khrushchev , repressed figures were already low.- What can you say about those repressed and killed in the Soviet Union , who were called during the Cold War ?- It was about to discredit opponents . Western sovietologists argued that the victims of repression , collectivization , famine , etc. Steel 50-60 million people. In 1976, Solzhenitsyn said that in the period from 1917 to 1959 in the USSR 110 million people died . It is difficult to comment on this nonsense. In fact, population growth accounted for more than 1% , higher than in England or France. In 1926, the USSR had 147 million people , in 1937 - 162 million , and in 1939 0 170.5 million These figures are trustworthy and they do not agree with the killing of tens of millions of citizens.- What was the reaction at the figures you mentioned ?- The famous writer Leo Acceleration joined with me in debate. He claimed that in 1939, the camps were more than 9 million prisoners , while the archives called another number : 2 million They moved emotions, but he had access to television , and I was not invited there . Later they realized that I was right, and fell silent.- And in the West ?- At the forefront of my critics was Robert Conquest , whose figures repressed 5 times higher than documentary evidence . In general, the reaction from historians was recognized. Now at the university already in my figures.- To what extent are accurate archives of the Gulag , the NKVD , etc. , access to which you first got thanks to Gorbachev ?- Statistics Gulag our historians considered one of the best .- In other words, the country's leaders knew exactly about the size of their repression and those shot ?- Yes . Stalin regularly informed . In each case, the prisoner escape iccheznoveniya or raised all his records and all correspondence .- Do you know anything about how Stalin and his colleagues have argued the need for such violence and murder ?- I think that in this way they wanted to get rid of people who do not fit into the project of building a communist future , as well as from those who had a strong survival instinct , although technically they were in no way to blame. It was a preventive measure . Molotov told the journalist Felix Chuev , a phrase which says a lot : " We did not wait until we are betrayed , we took the initiative in their hands and they were ahead ."- What is your opinion , as a historian . The extent to which Russian history is unique in terms of high-level political death ?- When compared to the history of 17th century England , 18th century France and Germany of the 19th century , the story is unique in that it all happened in the 20th century , when it was a complex integrated economy , which bury the revolution . When in 1920 , HG Wells came to Russia , he saw a completely wildness : dismantled railway, there was no electricity , everything was falling apart , and people dying of hunger and cold. And before that - although Russia was on the periphery of Europe - it was a civilized country . That is, the more civilized country, the revolution is less desirable , taking into account the terrible consequences that it entails.- You want to say that it is the proximity to the current era , referring to the more modern means of destruction , Stalin makes more dangerous than Genghis Khan ?- Yes .- Has something to do with all of this ideology and communism ? To what extent it makes sense for the believer to study victims of the Catholic Church who were killed in the name of God ?- It makes sense , because you can not have absolute faith in God , this faith specific. All those unfortunates who were burned at the stake , died for their faith was erroneous , it deviated from the norm and conflicted with submission to the Pope . Ideology ? Create a new society , and for the construction of a communist future needed a new man . Those killed in 1937, did not respond to change . Killed useless .- Can you blame Christ for the Inquisition , or Marx for Stalin ?- Marx created the theory for Europe and not for Russia , and certainly not for China. In any communist regime repression impossible , they are possible only where there is a strong and brutal despotic regime , such as Stalinist Russia or Maoist China . Repression as such was no longer possible under Khrushchev , Brezhnev and Deng Xiaoping .- What did you think the first time opening the secret archives of the Gulag , and knew that the number of repressed significantly less than had been thought and said ?- At first it was a surprise. Then I quickly realized that the West was introduced seriously misleading in this respect , but in spite of this , all conclusions about the terrorist nature of the regime and the repression suffered by the people , shall remain in force . This is particularly important to ensure that this does not happen again.Stories about for whom Karl Marx invented communism - leave the conscience Zemskova partisan .so ussr history:1917-22 civil war1922-39 repressions,murders 3123123 millions,evil stalin etc.39-45 ww2since 45 ussr superpower.