

Matt3

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Jamestown, NC 1 recommendation Matt3 Premium Member Stupid, Stupid, Stupid quote: Showtime hopes that by making it harder for consumers to access their content, they can somehow magically retain the premium cable channel ecosystem. I had Dexter queued up on Netflix to watch, but now all this will do is make me delete it and not even bother. I don't watch CBS for anything except the occasional sports event anyway, this will just make me further avoid CBS. I had Dexter queued up on Netflix to watch, but now all this will do is make me delete it and not even bother. I don't watch CBS for anything except the occasional sports event anyway, this will just make me further avoid CBS.



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Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by Matt3: quote: Showtime hopes that by making it harder for consumers to access their content, they can somehow magically retain the premium cable channel ecosystem. I had Dexter queued up on Netflix to watch, but now all this will do is make me delete it and not even bother. I don't watch CBS for anything except the occasional sports event anyway, this will just make me further avoid CBS.

I had Dexter queued up on Netflix to watch, but now all this will do is make me delete it and not even bother. I don't watch CBS for anything except the occasional sports event anyway, this will just make me further avoid CBS.



If I want to see the show that bad, there are two other ways that I'm aware of to download it, and copy it right to my media server for proper viewing.



What bothers me most about the whole thing, aside from the corporate greed, is the fact that the delivery system - Netflix - is already here, perfected almost. Netflix streaming is the best thing since sliced bread, and it works on a ton of devices, be it Blu-Ray players, iPhones, Xbox 360, etc. CBS is taking their content away from this perfect delivery system, and that annoys the shit out of me.



One day last week I had to call in sick to work, and I just sat in my den, fired up the 360 and streamed Netflix movies all day that I wanted to watch. It was great.



Oh, and DVD "sales"? I haven't purchased a DVD in I can't tell you how long. A CD in an even longer amount of time. I agree 100%, and I'm in the exact same boat. Dexter is one I wanted to watch. Everyone keeps telling me how good it is, so I figured I'd give it a shot. Now, forget it.If I want to see the show that bad, there are two other ways that I'm aware of to download it, and copy it right to my media server for proper viewing.What bothers me most about the whole thing, aside from the corporate greed, is the fact that the delivery system - Netflix - is already here, perfected almost. Netflix streaming is the best thing since sliced bread, and it works on a ton of devices, be it Blu-Ray players, iPhones, Xbox 360, etc. CBS is taking their content away from this perfect delivery system, and that annoys the shit out of me.One day last week I had to call in sick to work, and I just sat in my den, fired up the 360 and streamed Netflix movies all day that I wanted to watch. It was great.Oh, and DVD "sales"? I haven't purchased a DVD in I can't tell you how long. A CD in an even longer amount of time.



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Somewhere in elwoodblues Premium Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by Jeffrey: What bothers me most about the whole thing, aside from the corporate greed, is the fact that the delivery system - Netflix - is already here, perfected almost. Netflix streaming is the best thing since sliced bread, and it works on a ton of devices, be it Blu-Ray players, iPhones, Xbox 360, etc. CBS is taking their content away from this perfect delivery system, and that annoys the shit out of me.

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That's what it's all about Greed, they can't see the forest for the trees. There are so many other ways to get such content, I cut the cord 3yrs ago, and haven't looked back. Living in Canada, we don't get the same wealth of programming the US does (ala Cable networks), since "cutting" the cord I've stumbled across so many good shows to watch. I don't miss conventional TV and it's commercials at all.



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said by Jeffrey: Oh, and DVD "sales"? I haven't purchased a DVD in I can't tell you how long. A CD in an even longer amount of time.



Why buy a DVD when you can "rent" them from Netflix. Oh, and the streaming option? Even better. Netflix is the best movie access deal going. For $20/mo. I can watch as many DVDs as I want (3 at a time), *and* unlimited amounts of streaming movies from my Instant Queue. That's hard to beat.



Anyway, what's sad is the envy displayed by these movie "content providers". Through their own (poor) business decisions, the studios have allowed Netflix to become what they are today--a major brand name.



Netflix is to movies what Apple is to music.



All these silly content-pulling-30-day-delay tactics are a waste of time. The cat is out of the bag. The distribution game has change and it's time for them to adapt. Exactly.Why buy a DVD when you can "rent" them from Netflix. Oh, and the streaming option? Even better. Netflix is the best movie access deal going. For $20/mo. I can watch as many DVDs as I want (3 at a time), *and*amounts of streaming movies from my Instant Queue. That's hard to beat.Anyway, what's sad is the envy displayed by these movie "content providers". Through their own (poor) business decisions, the studios have allowed Netflix to become what they are today--a major brand name.Netflix is to movies what Apple is to music.All these silly content-pulling-30-day-delay tactics are a waste of time. The cat is out of the bag. The distribution game has change and it's time for them to adapt.



TechyDad

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USA 1 recommendation TechyDad Premium Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid I completely agree. When DVDs first came out, I bought a lot of them so I could watch my favorite movies whenever I wanted. Then I noticed something. I'd watch them once, put them back and never watch them again. Some remain in their shrink wrap years after I purchased them.



Meanwhile, I pour through DVD after DVD from Netflix and even more via Netflix Streaming. My children are used to seeing shows on demand (via Streaming or shows previously DVRed). Waiting to watch a show when it airs is as foreign to them as a TV with only 5 channels.



Restricting who can watch your shows and when and where is not the way to make a show successful. Here's a tip for all the TV execs who are going for the walled garden approach: Your content isn't *that* special. People will flock to other content if they can't access yours.



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quote: Netflix is to movies what Apple is to music. Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum. Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum.



Corehhi

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Bluffton, SC Corehhi Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by ITALIAN926: quote: Netflix is to movies what Apple is to music. Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum.

Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum. Yes it does. If not Netflix would have shut down and the people working there would have all been arrested. Not so bright a question. Just saying.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 2 edits ITALIAN926 Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Thanx for your response and opinion Corehhi, if I recall correctly, Napster was a free-for-all for a couple years?



Its really hard to fathom how netflix can operate like that. Unlimited downloads for $7.99 a month? What do the studios get like 5cents a movie?

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I now understand how they can operate , I signed up for the service and the selection is just non-existant. Pretty obvious they are still , by far, just a mail-order DVD company. The picture quality SUCKED.



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Colorado Springs, CO NOCMan Premium Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by ITALIAN926: Thanx for your response and opinion Corehhi, if I recall correctly, Napster was a free-for-all for a couple years?



Its really hard to fathom how netflix can operate like that. Unlimited downloads for $7.99 a month? What do the studios get like 5cents a movie?

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I now understand how they can operate , I signed up for the service and the selection is just non-existant. Pretty obvious they are still , by far, just a mail-order DVD company. The picture SUCKED.

If you knew anything about network bandwidth pricing you would know how they can turn a profit. It costs them pennies to stream a single movie and most people dont stream several hundred movies a month, and yes they do pay money to the studios through licensing agreements that get negotiated from time to time. Just like the cable companies butt heads with the studios about the prices of their content, most likely CBS wanted too much. I'll side with a cable company or netflix all the time because in reality all we pay for is hollywood's addiction to money and the attitude that I must make more more more more while the rest of us make less.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid quote: I'll side with a cable company or netflix all the time because in reality all we pay for is hollywood's addiction to money and the attitude that I must make more more more more while the rest of us make less. Not for nothing, but this applies to almost every kind of business and person. Even charities pursue, MORE MORE MORE. ???



... and I was barely thinking about network bandwidth pricing. If a user downloads 20 movies a month on the $7.99 plan, and the entire $$ amount went to the studios, that comes to ~ .40 a flick to the studios? Now we can factor in advertising costs, employees, and any other overhead costs including bandwidth. If this type of content delivery is endorsed by the movie industry, they arent getting a LOT from Netflix. Not for nothing, but this applies to almost every kind of business and person. Even charities pursue, MORE MORE MORE. ???... and I was barely thinking about network bandwidth pricing. If a user downloads 20 movies a month on the $7.99 plan, and the entire $$ amount went to the studios, that comes to ~ .40 a flick to the studios? Now we can factor in advertising costs, employees, and any other overhead costs including bandwidth. If this type of content delivery is endorsed by the movie industry, they arent getting a LOT from Netflix.



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@shawcable.net Mingus Anon Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Well, they aren't getting that much less either. Also, there is very little inventory risk. For each movie they release on DVD they make thousands and thousands of copies. Half probably end up selling for less than $10 and many never sell at all. The disk costs them about $4 to make and then they have to ship them somewhere which reduces their profit even more.



Netflix streams the movies so, no manufacturing or inventory are required and there is much less risk.

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said by ITALIAN926: Thanx for your response and opinion Corehhi, if I recall correctly, Napster was a free-for-all for a couple years?



Its really hard to fathom how netflix can operate like that. Unlimited downloads for $7.99 a month? What do the studios get like 5cents a movie? I now understand how they can operate , I signed up for the service and the selection is just non-existant. Pretty obvious they are still , by far, just a mail-order DVD company. The picture quality SUCKED.

No they do NOT get paid per stream. For exmaple they paid Starz $30 mil upfront for their content 3 years ago. That's how it works.Try not using dial-up. Their lack of content is HOLLYWOODS fault. Not Netflix's. thye'd off you everything if HOLLYWOOD gave them permission. Assign blame properly.



ITALIAN926

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Its their company, they have nothing to offer me, I stand by my opinion.



Oops, a little slow tonight, 11ms ping ,

The only thing I can think of is the size of my TV's, I have a 60" Kuro and a 55" Vizio, the "Starz play" movie selections were just horrible PQ. I tried both TV's HARDWIRED to the router, and were on two different Blu-Rays with netflix apps. One a Vizio, one a Sony.



... and 3000 miles away , Seattle Washington

Try not using dialup ??? I have FiOS 42Mbps down, 32 upload and a 5 msecond ping lol.Its their company, they have nothing to offer me, I stand by my opinion.Oops, a little slow tonight, 11ms ping ,The only thing I can think of is the size of my TV's, I have a 60" Kuro and a 55" Vizio, the "Starz play" movie selections were just horrible PQ. I tried both TV's HARDWIRED to the router, and were on two different Blu-Rays with netflix apps. One a Vizio, one a Sony.... and 3000 miles away , Seattle Washington

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West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by ITALIAN926: the "Starz play" movie selections were just horrible PQ. I tried both TV's HARDWIRED to the router, and were on two different Blu-Rays with netflix apps. One a Vizio, one a Sony. Yeah and it's been explained a million times the Starz Play movies are NOT in HD. Perhaps you should have researched that before signing up. If content is not HD that's not on Netflix. The content provider dictates whether Netflix can show their content in HD or not.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 1 edit ITALIAN926 Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid Are you telling me that some of the Starz play movies show in 16X9 AND 4:3 format, in STANDARD DEF? Because that what I saw, BOTH. I have never seen a 16X9 movie fill my screen like that in SD.



Either way, I guess its a coincedence that the first 5 movies I chose were all Starz Play. Maybe they should label them different instead of letting customers play guessing games.



Every other movie I searched was only available mail-order.

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West Tenness 1 edit 88615298 (banned) Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by ITALIAN926: Are you telling me that some of the Starz play movies show in 16X9 AND 4:3 format, in STANDARD DEF? Because that what I saw, BOTH. I have never seen a 16X9 movie fill my screen like that in SD.



Either way, I guess its a coincedence that the first 5 movies I chose were all Starz Play. Maybe they should label them different instead of letting customers play guessing games.



Starz movies



»movies.netflix.com/WiCon ··· g&csid=1



HD content. Some are movies some are TV



»movies.netflix.com/WiHD Actually they do. At least when I access them via my 360 or through my PC. And no it not a coincidence if you were looking for newer movies. Almost any movie less than 2 years old on Netflix streaming will most likely be a Starz play movie. In fact most movie less than 10 years old will be Starz. Once again studios do not want to give Netflix newer movies. Some newer movies that are either independant or from smaller studios are Netflix movies.Starz moviesHD content. Some are movies some are TV



Matt3

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said by ITALIAN926: Are you telling me that some of the Starz play movies show in 16X9 AND 4:3 format, in STANDARD DEF? Because that what I saw, BOTH. I have never seen a 16X9 movie fill my screen like that in SD.



Either way, I guess its a coincedence that the first 5 movies I chose were all Starz Play. Maybe they should label them different instead of letting customers play guessing games.



Every other movie I searched was only available mail-order.

They are labeled different -- both in the web portal and when you actually play them.



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said by ITALIAN926: Are you telling me that some of the Starz play movies show in 16X9 AND 4:3 format, in STANDARD DEF? Because that what I saw, BOTH. I have never seen a 16X9 movie fill my screen like that in SD.



Either way, I guess its a coincedence that the first 5 movies I chose were all Starz Play. Maybe they should label them different instead of letting customers play guessing games.



Every other movie I searched was only available mail-order.

Yes starz is the worst quality and it is not under NetFlix control. Go under HD movies and try that out. You will probably have to use your computer for that option.

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said by ITALIAN926: quote: Netflix is to movies what Apple is to music. Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum.

Portions of Apple Itunes revenue goes to the music labels. Does Netflix revenue (unlimited for $10/mo ! ) go to the movie industry?! NOBODY ever answers this question. Ive asked it 100 times on this forum. Yes they certainly do, in fact if you did some research you would know most of the operations cost for Netflix is licenses for the content they offer both in streams and on disc.

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It's not just Showtime. CBS is dumb with their network stuff too. At least ABC, NBC and Fox offer the last 5 episodes for viewing. CBS has maybe ONE and none on their really most popular shows.



CBS expects you to pay $2 for SD or $3 for HD per episode on Itunes or Amazon to access these shows. $3 for an hour show is bad enough but $3 for half hour show? I think $8 for a movie at the theater is too much. This equates to $12 for 2 hours. If a season has 24 episodes that's $72. That's like the cost of a month's cable FOR ONE SHOW. Sorry CBS( and other media companies ) you overvalue your product WAY too much.



Now I'm against illegal downloading and wouldn't do that myself so I just don't watch any CBS shows unless I just happen to catch them on the air which is rarely. I'm not scheduling my day around a show. So instead of making SOME money CBS makes ZERO money from me. SOME > ZERO last time I checked my math. As I said I'm against illegal downloading but I do understand why people that normally would PAY for this content in some form or another, do it.

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showing the greed of hollywood and its stooges.



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I just signed up for Netflix using my blu-ray player. The streaming service is absolutely horrible ($7.99 plan) ! I tried 6 movies, all were " Starz play " , the picture was just disgusting. I find it strange that people sign up , and stay, with this service. Im calling tomorrow to cancel this junk.

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West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid said by ITALIAN926: I just signed up for Netflix using my blu-ray player. The streaming service is absolutely horrible ($7.99 plan) ! I tried 6 movies, all were " Starz play " , the picture was just disgusting. I find it strange that people sign up , and stay, with this service. Im calling tomorrow to cancel this junk.





Also did it ever occur to you it may be YOUR connection that is at fault. Try using something faster than 1 Mbps DSL. Starz play movies are not HD. And you can CLEARLY see which ones are Starz. Most of Netflix's own movies are HD. And sorry for $8 what do you expect? Go take your $8 and get your 5 blu-ays from Red Box for the month.Also did it ever occur to you it may be YOUR connection that is at fault. Try using something faster than 1 Mbps DSL.



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I'm a big Dexter fan but Showtime is really pissing me off. Last year I upgraded to a newer model TiVo so when I had the new box connected I began to transfer all my unwatched shows. That included eix episodes of Dexter and four of Nurse Jackie. Would you believe that Showtime locked to shows so that they cannot be transferred from one TiVo to another the same freakin home?



All Showtime/CBS did was piss me off and increase the chances that I'll cancel my subscription to Showtime when it expires in May.



Rexter

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cloud 9 Rexter Member Re: Stupid, Stupid, Stupid I never have any issues with transferring shows. They are all in raw unrestricted AVI files.



Rexter 1 recommendation Rexter Member Why bother? There was a time when piracy ruled. P2P usage is on the way down due to better choices like Netflix. Ok, folks the show is over. Fire back up your torrent clients.



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Haha. It seems like studios would rather their customer base steal their IP rather than get it at a discounted price.

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K2P OW2 backness Member Re: Why bother? get your head examined. Nobody is going to jail for stealing movies for personal use.



Resistance to the technological innovation by CBS will ultimately lead to their demise.



What do you think happend to Nokia/motorola with Apple's Iphone?



Stick with the old ways and die a death of a thousand cuts.



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What do you think happend to Nokia/motorola with Apple's Iphone?



Stick with the old ways and die a death of a thousand cuts.





Same with Nokia.It got stranded in mid-market. It couldn't go upscale against smartphones, and the low-end was taken by Asian manufacturers. But again, RIM and HTC and Samsung had more to do with Nokia's problems than Apple.



Of course, none of this has any bearing on Netflix & CBS What? Nokia & Motorola are still in business. The iPhone had little to do with their struggles: Motorola failed to grasp the importance of smartphones and stuck with the RAZR for far too long. More than any other it was RIM, HTC, and Palm that took market share from them.Same with Nokia.It got stranded in mid-market. It couldn't go upscale against smartphones, and the low-end was taken by Asian manufacturers. But again, RIM and HTC and Samsung had more to do with Nokia's problems than Apple.Of course, none of this has any bearing on Netflix & CBS



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But Nokia? OMG have you ever used a touchscreen symbian device? It's like they literally took the old button-based Symbian, added touch screen ability and called it a day. Click menu, click the option in the menu AND THEN CLICK "OK" TO SELECT WHAT YOU JUST HIGHLIGHTED. Do they understand how a touch screen is supposed to work? I think they have



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said by hottboiinnc4: And then you all go to jail and or get sued. The more and more illegal downloads happen; the more and more websites will be taken and shut down.

Yeah, that works well. Kill the fans.

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yes, the threat of getting sued and / or jailed has slowed piracy down a lot...



oh wait...

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Dude... apparently you're new to the internet.



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said by hottboiinnc4: And then you all go to jail and or get sued. The more and more illegal downloads happen; the more and more websites will be taken and shut down.

Heard any websites being taken down recently?



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I believe a little civil disobedience healthy, and good for the country. Just doing my part. I'm not scared.I believe a little civil disobedience healthy, and good for the country. Just doing my part.



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said by NeoandGeo: Haha. It seems like studios would rather their customer base steal their IP rather than get it at a discounted price.

What it means was people were canceling their subscriptions on cable tv for the Showtime channels because they could get it much cheaper from Netflix. Even if they did have to wait longer for the shows. So Showtime figures: get off the discount outlet of Netflix and less people will cancel their pricey subscriptions. Now they may be right or wrong about that, but it is their call to make.



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united state bionicRod Premium Member Re: Why bother? said by FFH5: said by NeoandGeo: Haha. It seems like studios would rather their customer base steal their IP rather than get it at a discounted price.



What it means was people were canceling their subscriptions on cable tv for the Showtime channels because they could get it much cheaper from Netflix. Even if they did have to wait longer for the shows. So Showtime figures: get off the discount outlet of Netflix and less people will cancel their pricey subscriptions. Now they may be right or wrong about that, but it is their call to make. It's definitely their call, but they're shooting themselves in the foot. People that didn't want to pay for Showtime now won't want to pay for it in the future, and all the people that may have gotten hooked by watching a series, loving it, and ended up subscribing to Showtime to see new episodes now won't happen. The people watching on Netflix, who would never have subscribed to Showtime, will either do without or will pirate it. But you're right. Their call. Their stupid, shortsighted call.



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said by FFH5: said by NeoandGeo: Haha. It seems like studios would rather their customer base steal their IP rather than get it at a discounted price.



What it means was people were canceling their subscriptions on cable tv for the Showtime channels because they could get it much cheaper from Netflix. Even if they did have to wait longer for the shows. So Showtime figures: get off the discount outlet of Netflix and less people will cancel their pricey subscriptions. Now they may be right or wrong about that, but it is their call to make. The only reason I even have Showtime is because it's included in the FiOS tier I have. If I had my way, it would be dropped for a few dollars in savings each month. With FiOS bundling it, I'm sure that inflates the subscriber numbers on FiOS.



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said by Rexter: There was a time when piracy ruled. P2P usage is on the way down due to better choices like Netflix. Ok, folks the show is over. Fire back up your torrent clients.

Indeed is right. Guess I'm going to have to go download all the Dexter seasons (I stopped watching when I canceled my pay channels in favor of Netflix) in ripped format and put them on a few DVD's and ship them off to CBS (I did that to Prince and Metallica just for laughs) to maybe let them know they just permanently lost that revenue stream. Not that it does any good, but they had a revenue stream through Netflix and apparently someone didn't get his yacht this year.



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Yeah, but remember that you only have 250GB



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Yep.. I knew that 5.45TB fileserver was going to be useful someday.



(fires up uT w/PB and goes to TVT)



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Torrents are old hat.



Usenet + SSL + Sickbeard = heaven.



Rexter

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Idiots, now CBS should have any and all Piracy cases related to stuff they pulled off Netflix automatically thrown out and the court should tell them they cannot sue again until they offer their content through the common legal channels for streaming.



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Yarmouth Port, MA funchords MVM Re: Why bother? said by Kearnstd: Idiots, now CBS should have any and all Piracy cases related to stuff they pulled off Netflix automatically thrown out and the court should tell them they cannot sue again until they offer their content through the common legal channels for streaming.

This is what those guys in DC that create the copyright extensions and new laws don't understand. The studios pay millions to make their own laws, and Mom & Joe viewers can't compete with that.

podstolom

join:2010-01-25

Wichita, KS podstolom Member Another case.... For state-owned television, radio, telecommunications, and strong Net Neutrality.



buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20

Biddeford, ME buzz_4_20 Member They Had It working So Well... Showtime had some original series on Netflix the day after it aired on Showtime. It's a damn shame...



hdman

Flt Rider

Premium Member

join:2003-11-25

Appleton, WI hdman Premium Member 'Bout time.... Perhaps Netflix will realize that streaming isn't their only source of revenue. I dumped them once they agreed to delay the release of movies for rental via disc by a month. Same for Redbox, I stopped using them too.



Blockbuster, as of now, is the only company who rents movies by disc the day they are released. Not that BB is in good shape, but the idea of streaming-only as a revenue is going to die mainly because of caps....



HDMan



zoebisch01

join:2003-11-10

Julian, PA zoebisch01 Member Any indication If Showtime is going to offer content to Redbox, who is supposedly coming up in the wings?

CowboyJMB

join:2008-12-10 CowboyJMB Member It's No Mystery....



Also Showtime is dumping a bunch of their OLDER shows in the Netflix pot to try and smooth the situation over.



Overall it stinks because I like having fresh TV shows, I wish the Netflix CSI deal would have continued. I refuse to pay for cable, and ATM an indoor Antenna won't work for me because with the new digital technology it weakend the signal. I get squat now. I have to save up and get a decent outdoor. The reason they are doing this is to get people to subscribe to their new Showtime Anytime service. Also Showtime is dumping a bunch of their OLDER shows in the Netflix pot to try and smooth the situation over.Overall it stinks because I like having fresh TV shows, I wish the Netflix CSI deal would have continued. I refuse to pay for cable, and ATM an indoor Antenna won't work for me because with the new digital technology it weakend the signal. I get squat now. I have to save up and get a decent outdoor.



buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20

Biddeford, ME buzz_4_20 Member Yet Another Reason... That .torrent files are so popular. No rules or greed clogging up the choices of content distribution.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: Yet Another Reason... said by buzz_4_20: That .torrent files are so popular. No rules or greed clogging up the choices of content distribution.

no DRM or low encode rates there unlike these "legal" services!

SArcanine

join:2009-11-09

New York SArcanine Member Not premium content The material that they are pulling is garbage. Netflix kept advertising it to the point where I found it annoying and I am glad that it is gone. If they think that removing this will hurt Netflix, they are insane.



spewak

R.I.P Dadkins

Premium Member

join:2001-08-07

Elk Grove, CA ·Consolidated Com..

spewak Premium Member Hastings pudding...



»www.dailyfinance.com/sto ··· 9504168/ Looks like the ol' Reidster and his grand streaming ambitions are hitting a wall of greed. Welcome to the new internet Reid. Not going to get rid of mailed DVD's so fast are ya?

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Proof! If anyone had any doubt that the studios and big programmers aren't at all interested in streaming content, this is it. Sure, they put the shows on Netflix, but I suspect they thought people would use that as a supplement to the traditional channels. Well, we all know that didn't happen. Money is tight, so people are cutting costs wherever they can. Netflix streaming is cheaper, so that's where people are headed. Obviously, this wasn't the outcome the studios and programmers anticipated, so they figure they'll yank their content and force people to come back to traditional outlets. Again, I think they're miscalculating. Some might come back, but others will turn to piracy, and still others will just stop watching these shows. And, with Netflix delving into original programming, they're looking to rid themselves of their total dependency on these bloodsuckers. Also, sooner or later, independent producers are going to sell directly to Netflix. It's the same pattern that happened with cable channels. First, they ran shows that had previously aired on broadcast, then they developed their own content.



But to get back to the subject at hand, these traditional studios and programmers don't want streaming to succeed any more than the music industry wants iTunes to succeed. I think what happened is that the record companies got caught off guard by iTunes. They never thought it would take off the way it did. If they had known, I suspect they'd have never gone anywhere near it. Now the TV and movie studios are trying to avoid the same fate. They don't mind streaming...as long as it supplements their traditional channels, not replaces them. The problem is that people ARE looking to replace them.



And, just for the record, I got my Roku box the other day, and I love it. One step closer to telling the cable company to shove it. I'll be getting an outdoor antenna for locals, and then my setup will be complete. And, with a baby on the way, I suspect I'll have less time to watch TV anyway. And I don'twant my kid to grow up being a TV-obsessed zombie. There's a place for it, but it shouldn't be this all-consuming thing. Sorry TV execs, your audience is changing. Deal.



bemis

Premium Member

join:2008-07-18

Sharon, MA bemis Premium Member Re: Proof! If anyone had any doubt that the studios and big programmers aren't at all interested in streaming content, this is it.



Oh, they're interested... they just aren't interested unless they can get a significantly higher cut, probably more specifically they want a per-view fee rather than a flat licensing for newer or popular content.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Re: Proof! That, and they don't want to allow you to get at their content online unless you also sub to their traditional services. They see streaming as a way to get more--not less--money from you. Unfortunately for them, most people don't see it that way. They're looking to save money, not spend more.



Ultimately, I see all this as a major sea change that the programmers are fighting tooth and nail. They can deny that cord cutting exists all they want, and they can try to strong-arm people back into their traditional services, but they're swimming against the current. I know several people who don't even have a TV, much less sub to cable. True, they're the minority, but they're getting more common by the year. I also know a couple who are doing quite well--one is a professor and the other is an engineer--and they went for several years without a TV. They have one now, but it's a small tabletop set that's hidden in a room and doesn't get used much. And all of these folks are perfectly happy.



Times are changing. Adapt or die.

gworkman

join:2005-10-18

Las Vegas, NV gworkman Member Cheers ! I will be happy to trade Californication and Dex for the ability to watch Cheers on demand via Netflix.



SLD

Premium Member

join:2002-04-17

San Francisco, CA SLD Premium Member Lost me as a customer -again! I refuse to subscribe to Cable and Showtime. I was earning them profit when I rented Dexter, Weeds and Californication when they were availale.

I e-mailed Showtime, asking if I could purchase the content for a reasonable price off their website, but the answer was "no".

So, now you know CBS, I don't NEED to watch your shows. I have better things to do. Oh, and I'll avoid any other programming you have out of spite!



bemis

Premium Member

join:2008-07-18

Sharon, MA bemis Premium Member there's nothing magical about it... "Showtime hopes that by making it harder for consumers to access their content, they can somehow magically retain the premium cable channel ecosystem."



Currently they have users who are getting access to show as part of their Netflix subscription--considering I pay only about $8/mo for Netflix, and I'm sure only a small fraction of that goes to Showtime, what they are doing "makes sense"



Out of all the Netflix subscribers who currently watch these Showtime shows there is some fraction who do not also buy the DVD's of the show or subscribe to Showtime. Some fraction of those people may now either buy the DVD, pay for play via another streaming or VoD service, or subscribe to the premium channel.



Showtime and CBS are taking a gamble that the profits they can reap from selling the content to current Netflix viewers will be higher than the licensing fees paid by Netflix.



In some ways, one might wonder if this was a way to bait people into watching this content---put it up on Netflix, get some # of people hooked on the content, then pull it so that they end up buying from another source you earn more money on.



Either way it doesn't affect me as I don't watch those shows... and the stuff that Hollywood considers "discount junk" is all I like... I don't care about new releases, the latest TV shows, etc... I want older movies, older TV and other "junk".



coldmoon

Premium Member

join:2002-02-04

Fulton, NY coldmoon Premium Member Why the panic? If you want to view Showtime content fire up your copy of Microsoft's Windows Media Center and then select the Internet TV option. Not a large selection by any means, but Dexter, Californication, etc are available there for free.



Just a thought if you need an alternative...



SLD

Premium Member

join:2002-04-17

San Francisco, CA SLD Premium Member Re: Why the panic? Usually those feeds are *really* old - like first season only.



coldmoon

Premium Member

join:2002-02-04

Fulton, NY coldmoon Premium Member Re: Why the panic? said by SLD: Usually those feeds are *really* old - like first season only.

True - I said an alternative, not best alternative. It would however work as a "fix" like watching old re-runs on cable though...

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13

Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 Member Aggregater of Content Netflix really should just become and aggregater of content. They should partner with content providers through mutually beneficial bartering (no cash exchange) to make the content available in one convenient location with one convenient interface.



Then the users can subscribe to the individual content providers to get what they want whether it be subscription based or pay per view and it can be managed through the interface for the user and through the backend between Netflix and the content providers.



I would pay Netflix $8 a month for that convenience. They (Netflix) can then work with the content providers to host their material for a fee or the providers can accrue the cost to do it themselves.



MerinX

Crunching for Cures

Premium Member

join:2011-02-03 MerinX Premium Member That's fine I will just download the content they remove from bit torrent and they can lose out on free netflix dollars.



floyd007

join:2004-06-07

Glen Allen, VA floyd007 Member I am surprised that NexFlix has gone this far Content is king and NetFlix does not have any. (apart from that 100 million deal that will be live in 2012). Futhermore, the "old" way of making currency for the content providers through cable, satelitte and telcom is the most profitable and I believe that these entities are responsible for throttling Netflix. The entities most likley pressured the content holders to with out data from Online Video Providers. Just my opinion.



Sonccrash

@covad.net Sonccrash Anon CBS Pulls Showtime Content From Netflix Oh well back to pirating again