Debian Bug report logs - #775689

Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images

Reported by: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:09:06 UTC Severity: serious Tags: d-i Fixed in version 608-1+rm Done: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org> Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:09:11 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org> Subject: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:06:18 +0000

Source: unetbootin Severity: serious Tags: d-i Justification: wasting massive amounts of developer and user time I've already added one wishlist bug for d-i to add code to detect unetbootin usage and complain about it, but I've not got there yet. unetbootin used to be a helpful tool for many people to create USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly. It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid images for years now. Unetbootin is wasting massive amounts of developer and user time. :-( Please add: * An entry in the Debian package description to say "Do not use unetbootin for Debian CD images, just write them raw using dd" or similar. * A runtime warning (with a similar message) if the user is attempting to use unetbootin for a Debian CD image. -- System Information: Debian Release: 7.8 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable'), (500, 'oldstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:45:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: László Böszörményi (GCS) <gcs@debian.org> To: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>, 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:40:11 +0100

Control: tag -1 moreinfo Hi Steve, On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > Source: unetbootin > Severity: serious > Tags: d-i > Justification: wasting massive amounts of developer and user time > > I've already added one wishlist bug for d-i to add code to detect > unetbootin usage and complain about it, but I've not got there > yet. unetbootin used to be a helpful tool for many people to create > USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for > lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it > for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly. > It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid > images for years now. Can you give me pointers where those bugreports exist? Do you have first hand experience that it's not working correctly? I made netboot images onto my USB sticks and they worked. Especially that it's not the same like copy the iso over the USB drive. Its non-destructive install doesn't format the device, you may use that for storage as well. Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in Fedora as well for example. Those users may install a Debian boot to their USB sticks. Adding a warning for our users won't warn other users using UNetbootin. Kind regards, Laszlo/GCS

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Mon, 19 Jan 2015 08:48:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> To: László Böszörményi (GCS) <gcs@debian.org> Cc: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:45:11 +0100 (CET)

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015, László Böszörményi (GCS) wrote: > Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in Right. I think users of Debian derivate which must not be named use it when they don’t manage to type “sudo dd”. I suggest to patch it upstream to recognise at the very least Debian ISOs, if not all isohybrid and manifold-boot ISOs, and just dd them over if found, instead of doing whatever it is otherwise doing. “manifold-boot” is to MirBSD and Grml ISOs pretty much what was added as “isohybrid” to ISOLINUX later. It can be detected by the string 20 4c 6f 61 64 69 6e 67 20 00 62 61 64 20 6d 61 67 69 63 20 65 72 72 6f 72 0d 0a 00 either in sector 0, usually around offset 0x20-0x40, or in sector 24 (ISO offset usually around 0x3020-0x3040) with sector 0 containing a Sun disklabel (magic bytes da be at offset 0x1FC) with an i386 bootsector magic (bytes 55 aa at offset 0x1FE). Currently. Subject to be expanded later ;) bye, //mirabilos -- >> Why don't you use JavaScript? I also don't like enabling JavaScript in > Because I use lynx as browser. +1 -- Octavio Alvarez, me and ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ (Mario Lang) on debian-devel

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:21:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> To: László Böszörményi (GCS) <gcs@debian.org> Cc: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:15:13 +0000

On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 07:40:11PM +0100, László Böszörményi (GCS) wrote: >Control: tag -1 moreinfo > >Hi Steve, Hi! >> USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for >> lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it >> for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly. >> It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid >> images for years now. > Can you give me pointers where those bugreports exist? Do you have >first hand experience that it's not working correctly? Admittedly most of the reports are not in the BTS, they're mails from people struggling to get things to work, or reporting odd behaviour. A quick Google search on site:lists.debian.org points to the following threads, for starters: * https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2014/08/msg00052.html * https://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2011/06/msg00104.html * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01259.html * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/06/msg01064.html * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/02/msg01185.html In particular, as I've been developing and improving our UEFI boot support for Wheezy and Jessie, I've had a fair number of people report problems to me directly when trying to use my test images, that went away when unetbootin was taken our of the equation. This has wasted hours of back-and-forth debug discussions in some cases. I don't see any support for UEFI in unetbootin, and other things on the net like * http://askubuntu.com/questions/374931/install-ubuntu-in-uefi-mode-unable-to-boot-from-usb * https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_UNetbootin * http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130039 back that up. This is a major issue on newer machines. >Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in >Fedora as well for example. Those users may install a Debian boot to >their USB sticks. Adding a warning for our users won't warn other >users using UNetbootin. I know that, but a warning for Debian users would help too. I'm also tempted to look into how to detect unetbootin media within d-i so that we can potentially flash up a warning to the user. I *know* it may be a useful tool for some folks (and it used to be very helpful/necessary for USB stuff on older releases), but it's becoming a major PITA. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "C++ ate my sanity" -- Jon Rabone

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:45:13 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:41:12 +1100

Hi! > Can you give me pointers where those bugreports exist? Do you have > first hand experience that it's not working correctly? > I made netboot images onto my USB sticks and they worked. This exchange is sadly pretty common when it comes to unetbootin and we see this frequently in #debian. Whenever we get a user reporting a very odd error from the installer, we ask them how they transferred the image to the USB stick and if they say "unetbootin" we just recommend they start again because it is well known to cause problems. Two things then always follow: (1) the problem is solved and the installation completes fine (2) a 3rd party will chip in that unetbootin always works just fine for them [sadly often also accompanied by (3) them telling us we don't know what we're talking about]. We have been unable to figure out what differentiates the users for whom unetbootin does not work from the users for whom it does work. The users who have chosen to use unetbootin are almost invariably not the right people to help debug such problems and so the impasse is perpetuated. (While unetbootin can also do other things like have multiple images on the one disk, that's not the user base we are normally seeing.) Off the top of my head the are the sorts of errors we frequently see are catalogued below. I've quickly grabbed some links from upstream's bug tracker that may (or may not!) provide some more details. All of these errors go away when the exact same image is copied onto the exact same USB stick using cp as detailed in the install guide (or dd or cat or win32diskimager or anything else that just copies the image rather than trying to do whatever mangling unetbootin does). * boot error messages: the prepared image is deeply unhappy and you don't even get as far as a boot loader. (The normal symptom reported by the user is "why aren't debian iso images bootable?"...) https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/1198731 * d-i starts but then dies weirdly, seemingly skipping the entire installation https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/1348956 * d-i dies very early with "No CD was detected": for some reason, the mounted image is not found by the installer and you don't get past the very first part of the installer where it tries to find the d-i components. https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/622075 * installing the base system fails: sometimes it can't find the .debs, sometimes it can't figure out how to extract them properly https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/1048913 * even once d-i looks to have successfully completed, it often seems to install grub to the wrong device and/or has sufficiently confused grub-install as to get the wrong device.map so that the system isn't bootable https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/1034975 Clearly not everyone hits these errors but enough do that it's a pain. The errors seem so unrelated to unetbootin that it's very hard to convince users to try remaking the image -- after all, once the kernel is booted and userspace has started, unetbootin should be irrelevant, right? If only. > Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in > Fedora as well for example. Those users may install a Debian boot to > their USB sticks. Adding a warning for our users won't warn other > users using UNetbootin. Indeed, it would be wonderful if this were actually fixed upstream (or at least documented upstream). In the absence of that, we at least reach a good portion of the user base by noting this in Debian (and its derivatives). cheers Stuart -- Stuart Prescott http://www.nanonanonano.net/ stuart@nanonanonano.net Debian Developer http://www.debian.org/ stuart@debian.org GPG fingerprint 90E2 D2C1 AD14 6A1B 7EBB 891D BBC1 7EBB 1396 F2F7

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 09:45:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> To: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> Cc: "László Böszörményi (GCS)" <gcs@debian.org>, Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de>, Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org>, 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:43:48 +0100

Hi! I fully agree with Steve's stance. unetbootin is currently completely broken and I don't think it should actually be shipped with Jessie. Just as of yesterday, a colleague of mine created a bootable USB flash drive with FreeDOS in order to flash the BIOS firmware of the new servers we got. While the FreeDOS actually booted, he ran into random crashes and couldn't copy the BIOS firmware and utilities onto the flash drive from Linux so that he could later run the BIOS utility from within FreeDOS. The files just weren't there. When he asked me for help, my first question was "Did you use unetbootin"? and after he acknowledged that, the first thing we did was to rewrite the image using dd which fixed all the issues he had. I would even argue that we should remove unetbootin from Debian altogether since I think it's rather a design problem and I think it's pretty much hopeless that upstream will fix the nearly 300 bugs in their bug tracker. After all, corrupted installation media could possibly result in serious data loss and I don't think it's acceptable to have such dangerously unreliable software in Debian. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913

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From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> Cc: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>, "László Böszörményi (GCS)" <gcs@debian.org>, Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org>, 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:11:33 +0100 (CET)

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I fully agree with Steve's stance. unetbootin is currently completely > broken and I don't think it should actually be shipped with Jessie. Shipping it with jessie is irrelevant to using it for Debian images. > After all, corrupted installation media could possibly result > in serious data loss and I don't think it's acceptable to have > such dangerously unreliable software in Debian. Completely disagree: unetbootin is the tool of choice to create bootable images for a variety of distributions, so shipping it with Debian is correct, for those distributions. Just that the software should not be used for creating broken *Debian* images. That is something to be fixed upstream, because the person using it for such is typically *not* running Debian. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:21:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> To: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> Cc: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>, "László Böszörményi (GCS)" <gcs@debian.org>, Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org>, 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:19:34 +0100

On 02/17/2015 11:11 AM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Completely disagree: unetbootin is the tool of choice to create > bootable images for a variety of distributions, so shipping it > with Debian is correct, for those distributions. Just that the > software should not be used for creating broken *Debian* images. > That is something to be fixed upstream, because the person using > it for such is typically *not* running Debian. I think you missed the part where I was talking about non-Debian images. It clearly breaks non-Debian images as well, for example FreeDOS. Just look at the bug tracker with almost 300 bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin It's completely broken and just produces headaches for both users and developers. I don't know why something that is so broken should be a "tool of choice". What's the point in shipping unetbootin when half of the boot media it creates are not working properly? Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913

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From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> Cc: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com>, "László Böszörményi (GCS)" <gcs@debian.org>, Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org>, 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:21:39 +0100 (CET)

On Tue, 17 Feb 2015, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > I think you missed the part where I was talking about non-Debian > images. It clearly breaks non-Debian images as well, for example It needs a list of images it can operate on, and refuse on all others, then. > FreeDOS. Just look at the bug tracker with almost 300 bugs: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/unetbootin > > It's completely broken and just produces headaches for both users In this case… ok it probably should not be in the release. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg

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From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: mkusb Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:34:38 +0100

From: Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org> Subject: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:06:18 +0000 Source: unetbootin Severity: serious Tags: d-i Justification: wasting massive amounts of developer and user time ... Please add: * An entry in the Debian package description to say "Do not use unetbootin for Debian CD images, just write them raw using dd" or similar. _____ I would suggest wrapping safety around dd with the shell-script 'mkusb'. Extra safety can be very important because dd is nick-named 'disk destroyer' for a reason: It does what you *tell* it to do without questions, even if it is not what you *want* to do (for example wipe a drive with not yet backed up family photos). mkusb is tested with debian Jessie (and worked reliably after some tweaks). If you are interested, I can try to make it work without tweaks. There is a PPA for Ubuntu, but for Debian please look at this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/v9#from_phillw.net Best regards Nio

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From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: tip Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 11:27:59 +0100

Hi László, _____ From: Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> To: László Böszörményi (GCS) <gcs@debian.org> Cc: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:45:11 +0100 (CET) On Sun, 18 Jan 2015, László Böszörményi (GCS) wrote: > Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in Right. I think users of Debian derivate which must not be named use it when they don’t manage to type “sudo dd”. I suggest to patch it upstream to recognise at the very least Debian ISOs, if not all isohybrid and manifold-boot ISOs, and just dd them over if found, instead of doing whatever it is otherwise doing. _____ I suggested mkusb to be used now, but I also want to say that I have used Unetbootin for years, and it is working well most of the time. It is very good when people want persistence, and when they want to use the pendrive for storage too (I don't, pendrives are temporary devices for me). But sometimes there are bugs, when a new distro or version is different in a way, that is not recognized by Unetbootin. This seems to be the case now with Debian Jessie. If you add a 'dd' cloning option, it would make Unetbootin even more useful. You are welcome to borrow whatever code and concepts you want from mkusb, it is FOSS :-) Best regards Nio

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From: Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: mkusb-nox Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 14:24:07 +0100

Den 2015-03-13 10:34, Nio Wiklund skrev: ... > I would suggest wrapping safety around dd with the shell-script 'mkusb'. > > Extra safety can be very important because dd is nick-named 'disk > destroyer' for a reason: It does what you *tell* it to do without > questions, even if it is not what you *want* to do (for example wipe a > drive with not yet backed up family photos). > > mkusb is tested with debian Jessie (and worked reliably after some > tweaks). If you are interested, I can try to make it work without tweaks. > > There is a PPA for Ubuntu, but for Debian please look at this link > > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/v9#from_phillw.net > > Best regards > Nio > I should add that there is a command line version of mkusb mkusb-nox and it works without any tweaks when running as root in Debian Jessie (tested with debian-jessie-DI-rc1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso). Best regards Nio

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:06:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: No-one you-know <xrs557@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images - DD doesn't work for me Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 02:03:27 -0400

DD doesn't work for me. It never has on linux. It creates a nonbootable brick. As a matter of fact, no tool on the linux platform used to create bootable usb drives based on an ISO image has ever worked for me. Strangely enough, unetbootin, although the bootable usb it creates is buggy, actually boots, when created on the windows platform. go figure. On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:06:18 +0000 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > Source: unetbootin > Severity: serious > Tags: d-i > Justification: wasting massive amounts of developer and user time > > I've already added one wishlist bug for d-i to add code to detect > unetbootin usage and complain about it, but I've not got there > yet. unetbootin used to be a helpful tool for many people to create > USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for > lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it > for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly. > It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid > images for years now. > > Unetbootin is wasting massive amounts of developer and user time. :-( > > Please add: > > * An entry in the Debian package description to say "Do not use > unetbootin for Debian CD images, just write them raw using dd" or > similar. > > * A runtime warning (with a similar message) if the user is > attempting to use unetbootin for a Debian CD image. > > -- System Information: > Debian Release: 7.8 > APT prefers stable > APT policy: (500, 'stable'), (500, 'oldstable') > Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) > Foreign Architectures: i386 > > Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) > Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) > Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash > >

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Sat, 21 May 2016 06:45:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: manyoup85@gmail.com To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 06:40:18 +0000 (UTC)

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:06:18 +0000 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote: > Source: unetbootin > Severity: serious > Tags: d-i > Justification: wasting massive amounts of developer and user time > > I've already added one wishlist bug for d-i to add code to detect > unetbootin usage and complain about it, but I've not got there > yet. unetbootin used to be a helpful tool for many people to create > USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for > lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it > for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly. > It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid > images for years now. > > Unetbootin is wasting massive amounts of developer and user time. :-( > > Please add: > > * An entry in the Debian package description to say "Do not use > unetbootin for Debian CD images, just write them raw using dd" or > similar. > > * A runtime warning (with a similar message) if the user is > attempting to use unetbootin for a Debian CD image. > > -- System Information: > Debian Release: 7.8 > APT prefers stable > APT policy: (500, 'stable'), (500, 'oldstable') > Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) > Foreign Architectures: i386 > > Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) > Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) > Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash > >

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Sun, 22 May 2016 11:51:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Geza Kovacs <geza0kovacs@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 04:50:07 -0700

Hi I'm the maintainer of unetbootin, I just stumbled upon this bug report, sorry you have been having issues. The underlying issue appears to be that some of Debian's ISO files violate the Joilet standard - the standard does not permit filenames exceeding 64 characters in length, as you can see at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joliet_(file_system) . Hence any tool for processing ISO files which follows the Joilet standard, like 7-zip (which is used by unetbootin), will have undefined behavior when dealing with such files (in the case of 7-zip it truncates the filenames to 64 characters). The upstream report for 7-zip is at https://sourceforge.net/p/sevenzip/bugs/1055/ but unetbootin is not the only tool dealing with ISO files that relies on 7-zip (or other tools that expect Joilet-compliant ISO files), so a solution might be to just respect the 64-character limit for filenames in ISO files.

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Bug#775689 ; Package src:unetbootin . (Wed, 01 Jun 2016 08:00:14 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: arv <arvid.evans@gmail.com> To: 775689@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#775689: Do NOT use unetbootin for Debian CD images Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 10:06:54 -0600

On Sun, 22 May 2016 04:50:07 -0700 Geza Kovacs <geza0kovacs@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi I'm the maintainer of unetbootin, I just stumbled upon this bug report, > sorry you have been having issues. The underlying issue appears to be that > some of Debian's ISO files violate the Joilet standard - the standard does > not permit filenames exceeding 64 characters in length, as you can see at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joliet_(file_system) . Hence any tool for > processing ISO files which follows the Joilet standard, like 7-zip (which > is used by unetbootin), will have undefined behavior when dealing with such > files (in the case of 7-zip it truncates the filenames to 64 characters). > The upstream report for 7-zip is at > https://sourceforge.net/p/sevenzip/bugs/1055/ but unetbootin is not the > only tool dealing with ISO files that relies on 7-zip (or other tools that > expect Joilet-compliant ISO files), so a solution might be to just respect > the 64-character limit for filenames in ISO files. FINALLY...a clear answer on the unetbootin problem in Debian Jessie. Earlier bug report comments are less than helpful because they do not point to a viable graphical replacement for unetbootin. While they do mention use of dd as a replacement this does not address the need for graphical or desktop-compatible solution. Real need is to either fix the unetbootin problem (make Debian conform to standards) or to provide an alternative graphical tool to make .iso bootable USB Pen-drive images. An alternative solution might be to restore ability of K3B to write to USB pen-drives. This also went away with Debian Jessie release.

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You have taken responsibility. (Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:00:33 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Bug acknowledged by developer. (Sun, 10 Sep 2017 16:00:33 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Debian FTP Masters <ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org> To: 534107-done@bugs.debian.org,551301-done@bugs.debian.org,566218-done@bugs.debian.org,566219-done@bugs.debian.org,575603-done@bugs.debian.org,594009-done@bugs.debian.org,596386-done@bugs.debian.org,607514-done@bugs.debian.org,624192-done@bugs.debian.org,624279-done@bugs.debian.org,640582-done@bugs.debian.org,646793-done@bugs.debian.org,650635-done@bugs.debian.org,657539-done@bugs.debian.org,657895-done@bugs.debian.org,675815-done@bugs.debian.org,681986-done@bugs.debian.org,689723-done@bugs.debian.org,690994-done@bugs.debian.org,696401-done@bugs.debian.org,696617-done@bugs.debian.org,697920-done@bugs.debian.org,698366-done@bugs.debian.org,706027-done@bugs.debian.org,712902-done@bugs.debian.org,745469-done@bugs.debian.org,747047-done@bugs.debian.org,769816-done@bugs.debian.org,775689-done@bugs.debian.org,813118-done@bugs.debian.org,820884-done@bugs.debian.org,846018-done@bugs.debian.org,872124-done@bugs.debian.org,875218-done@bugs.debian.org, Cc: unetbootin@packages.debian.org, unetbootin@packages.qa.debian.org Subject: Bug#870974: Removed package(s) from unstable Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2017 15:57:02 +0000

Version: 608-1+rm Dear submitter, as the package unetbootin has just been removed from the Debian archive unstable we hereby close the associated bug reports. We are sorry that we couldn't deal with your issue properly. For details on the removal, please see https://bugs.debian.org/870974 The version of this package that was in Debian prior to this removal can still be found using http://snapshot.debian.org/. This message was generated automatically; if you believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org. Debian distribution maintenance software pp. Scott Kitterman (the ftpmaster behind the curtain)

Bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <owner@bugs.debian.org> to internal_control@bugs.debian.org . (Mon, 09 Oct 2017 08:02:17 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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