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Mayapura, February 4, 1976 ‒

Prabhupada: Then, in the morning, it rises reddish. So why it does not look reddish always if it is fixed?

Harikesa: Well, the material scientists say it’s because of the atmospheric condition. It refracts the light in such a way that it becomes reddish. That’s what they say. Because it’s thicker atmosphere. You have to look through more atmos…

Prabhupada: Then how it comes so high? After few hours it goes so high.

Harikesa: Well, there is less atmosphere to look through. Why it goes up there?

Prabhupada: So that means move?

Harikesa: No, no. Because we’re moving this way. The earth is rotating.

Prabhupada: You are moving, but why you say sometimes this position and sometimes that position?

Harikesa: Because the earth also moves like this. It’s going around the sun, and then every day it rotates once.

Prabhupada: Hm?

Harikesa: It rotates on an axis like this. So therefore the sun seems to go around, but actually it’s the earth that goes around.

Prabhupada: Now, if you measure when this sun and when it comes meridian distance, so do you think the earth is moving so quickly? It is… According to their modern science, the earth is moving twenty-five thousand miles only throughout… No, within twenty-four hours.

Harikesa: That’s around the sun.

Prabhupada: Huh? Then is it possible…

Jagadisa: Twenty-four-hour day, twenty-five thousand miles circumference.

Prabhupada: So how earth has gone so quickly round that it is seen, the different position of the sun? This means sun is not fixed. Sun is moving. And in the Bhagavata it is said that it is moving at the rate of sixteen thousand miles per second. I think I have calculated that. Sixteen thousand miles.

Hrdayananda: Prabhupada? Does that mean that the sun is going around the earth?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Hrdayananda: Is the sun going around the earth?

Prabhupada: Sun is going around the whole planetary system.

Tamala Krsna: The scientists think the whole planetary system is going around the sun.

Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, earth is also moving?

Prabhupada: Hm?

Bhavananda: Earth planet is also moving?

Prabhupada: Along with all other stars. That you can see at night.

Tamala Krsna: They are all moving around the polestar.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Hrdayananda: So that means that the more we learn material education, (we’re) just becoming more and more foolish.

Prabhupada: Yes. Material education means mudha. This is also material education, the movement of the sun. But they are not perfect. VRNDAVAN, July 02, 1977, Bhu-mandala Diagram Discussion ‒

Prabhupāda: Then the sun… Above the sun there is moon.

Yaśodā-nandana: Yes, and above the sun there is the moon.

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Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is the earth. And this is a real question that we still have to answer. They picture the earth round, and we say, no. Bhū-maṇḍala is like a lotus, it’s like this, and the earth is only one part of one island in Bhū-maṇḍala, and it’s not, you know, it’s (indistinct). It doesn’t look like that. And all the pictures they take of the earth when they go up in their satellites show round. And we’re going to tell them that it’s not. This is a very tricky question. In other words, if this is the picture of the world, like this, and we say that… If we take an airplane from here, from Los Angeles. Now, supposing we go to India, which is here. So there’s two ways to go. One way, you can go like this, and the other way, you can go like that. But if the earth is not a round globe, then how is it sometimes people go from Los Angeles via Hawaii to Japan and then to India? So we can’t figure this out. We have experience, those of us who have flown, that actually the plane went from Los Angeles to Hawaii to Tokyo to Hong Kong and then to India. So it doesn’t work out in our maps so far, right? We can’t figure it out. This thing has to be very complete in its answers. Otherwise everyone will laugh at us. We cannot leave any loopholes.

Prabhupāda: So are you thinking on this?

Bhakti-prema: In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam… According to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it is (indistinct).

Prabhupāda: Find out from our side, according to Bhāgavatam.

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