The sizable Democratic primary field shrank this week. (That is, before it expanded again with billionaire Tom Steyer entering the race.) California Rep. Eric Swalwell became the first candidate to drop out after the June Democratic debate. In this installment of the FiveThirtyEight Politics podcast, Swalwell does an “exit interview” in which we ask him about his experience running for president and his thoughts on the 2020 election overall.

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