Southern Poverty Law Center Exposed As A Hate Group:Â General Jerry Boykin is with us today to talk about the Southern Poverty Law Center and why they are now being called a hate group. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a group that calls out organizations as hate groups, that is why it is an interesting paradoxical situation in which they find themselves. Tune in now to learn more!

Air Date:Â 04/10/2018

Guest: GeneralÂ Jerry Boykin

On-air Personalities: David Barton, Rick Green, and Tim Barton

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Faith And The Culture

Rick:

Welcome to the intersection of faith and the culture. This is WallBuilders Live! Where we”re talking about today”s hottest topics on policy, faith, and the culture. We”re always doing that from a biblical, historical, and constitutional perspective.

We’re here with David Barton, America’s premier historian and our founder at WallBuilders. Also, Tim Barton, national speaker, pastor, and he”s the president of WallBuilders. My name is Rick Green, I’m a former Texas legislator.

And you can find out more about all three of us at WallBuildersLive.com. That’s our radio site it has programs from the last couple of months. You can go to the archives section and listen to some of the Good News Friday programs, or Foundations of Freedom Thursday, or other interviews. Later in the program we’re going to have General Jerry Boykin as our special guest today for our interview. There’s a lot of programs there on our website at WallBuildersLive.com to help equip and inspire you.

Then you go over to Wall Builders.com, our main website, and you can get all kinds of tools to equip you and your family – DVDs, I’m talking about books, and curriculum, and even articles you can download right there at the website. So, check all that out at WallBuilders.com. It will help you and your family to be better citizens and preserve the torch of freedom for future generations.

David, Tim, looking forward to General Boykin being with us later in the program. And of course, General Boykin speaks at our Pastor Briefings, he”s involved in a lot of things that we do. But he has something in common with us – those folks at Family Research Council, like us here at WallBuilders, have been labeled by a group called the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate mongers. They do all kinds of negative press against us and virtually every other Christian organization out there that stands for principles. They’re finally getting called on the carpet for that, people are starting to expose them for what they are, an actual hate group themselves.

They Are Starting to Be Exposed

David:

Rick, you’re right, they are starting to be exposed. Sunlight is starting to shine on them a little more, and there’s a little more coverage getting out, and more people kind of becoming aware of who they are, and what they’ve been doing, and, really, what they’ve been getting away with. And what they’ve been getting away with has really been one of the most effective tools used by progressives and the left over recent decades. That’s probably what we would call branding.

Tim:

Yeah, the idea of branding is something that we”ve talked a lot about within our group. You’ve seen a lot of the idea where people say, “Well, you’re being hateful, you’re intolerant, you’re not loving, your judgmental,” and they throw all these words at you, but what they’re trying to do is brand you. Nobody wants to be thought of as hateful, intolerant, or unloving. So, if those words are coming at you, all of a sudden it makes you want to stop whatever you’re doing because you don’t want that label put on you, right? You don’t want that brand put on you.

Progressives have been so good at labeling, branding people that oppose them as being these hate mongers, as being homophobic, or whatever kind of phobia they want to throw at you. Whatever it is you support they’re going to make you look bad for supporting it.

Now, I’m saying the left has done this too – it’s something that even both sides of the aisle now are practicing. President Trump was kind of a master at this and the presidential election and whether it was Crooked Hillary, or Lying Ted, or Little Rubio– what”d he call–

David:

Little Marco.

Tim:

Little Marco, there you go, see.

David:

Or one in forty one John.

The Strategy of Labeling

Tim:

Well, so this idea of labeling, it really is a strategy that’s being picked up more and more. And actually, you’re seeing this from professor, from academics, from people really around the U.S., and the labels are being put on people that have differing ideas and opinions which seems–

David:

And by the way, may I point out, Tim, something you said that I thought was really significant some time back. And that is that professors, in doing this branding, often use it to inoculate their students from the truth. It’s like, “Students, here’s the truth. I’m telling you the truth. Anybody who says otherwise, anybody who disagrees with what I’ve told you, they’re bigoted, they’re racist, they”re whatever.”

Tim:

Yeah, it’s one of the funny things if you watch some videos when Ben Shapiro, for example, goes and speaks at a university, there will be people out protesting Ben Shapiro for being racist. Which, he’s a Jew and they oppose him because he’s racist and–

David:

And not that a Jew can’t be racist.

Tim:

No, for sure, for sure. But when you talk–

David:

That’s not what–

The Great Irony

Tim:

When you talk about races that have being exploited, right, like the Jews have been heavily persecuted for their own people group. Anyway, the point is that there will be people on the street with phones, with videos, and they will interview some of these protesters and say, “Hey, what has he done that that’s so hateful, that’s so racist.”, or Â Â whatever label they’re putting on him at the moment. And these students have no idea anything he’s ever said or done – they just know, “Well, our professor said–“, “Well, CNN said–“, “Well, we heard this–“, “Well, we saw this–“.

And so because there’s some outside source that has labeled him– and I’m using him as an example, right. We could we pick most of these outspoken, conservative, pro family, conservative groups – whether it’s WallBuilders, or American Family Association, or Family Research Council, or Focus on the Family. You can pick some of these major groups that are supporting traditional values, conservative values, biblical values, whatever the case is, and people are opposing them because they’ve been told–

And again, as you identified, we’ve talked about before a professor will say anybody who disagrees with 72 gender identities it’s because they’re hateful, it”s because they’re transphobic, it”s because– And they will literally teach students that if you do not support their position than the person that opposes that position is a hateful, bigoted, person – whatever they’re going to label them as.

But labeling and branding is what’s been done and it’s tainted so many organizations because this generation has been taught that, well, you should never be hateful, you should always be tolerant. So, if there is a group out there that is hateful, that is intolerant, you have to oppose them, you have to be intolerant of intolerant groups, you have to hate hateful groups.

And so there’s a great irony in the midst of this, but they don’t even know how to measure hate or intolerance anymore. They just know groups get labeled as that, and they embrace the label, and therefore will oppose that group because that group has a label put on them.

Rick:

Alright, quick break. We’ll be right back, folks. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

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Rick:

We’re back on WallBuilders Live. Thanks for staying with us. Later in the program we”ve got General Jerry Boykin will be with us from Family Research Council.

David, Tim, so as we were saying, this branding has a very negative impact. And Southern Poverty Law Center has, frankly, been very effective at branding Christian organizations in a very negative light.

Southern Poverty Law Center Hate List

David:

Yeah, they have. And they’ve done it in a number of ways and variety forms. We’ve seen in recent years where that the Southern Poverty Law Center hate list that they have, this hate group list that comes out every year, it’s been used by the FBI, it’s been used by the military, it has been used by the media, the media sees it as the go to list.

Tim:

And specifically, when you’re saying used by the FBI, used by the military, it was referenced in the FBI and the military as, “Stay away from these groups because they”re hate groups, so don’t associate with them, don’t listen to them, don’t let them influence you.” And so this was literally used for training the FBI, for training the military. I think the Department of Justice used this for a while and so really it– kind of the SPLC was exposed for what they were.

And what’s interesting about this group is they all– they have a list of what to them they perceive to be right and wrong. But the problem with subjective morality is if there is no objective standard you base it on than your list of right and wrong constantly changes and there’s not an equal standard across the board.

So, they might say, “Hey, racism is always wrong.” Except, do you know, on their group I don’t think I’ve ever seen a group like the Black Panthers on there, or even at times you have Black Lives Matter who were being very violent oriented. Or you have some groups that definitely deserve some credit on their list for being hateful, but they said, “No, no, no, you really can’t be racist if you’re in one of these ethnicities, if you’re in one of these groups, if you’re part of this organization–“

David:

If you”re a progressive group, if you believe what we believe politically about progressives than you can’t be a hate group.

The Problem With Subjective Morality

Tim:

Well, and this is why there’s such problems with what they do beyond the fact that they’re labeling it– their reality is so subjective and because it’s subjective when their feelings and emotions change, then there are a list of what is hateful changes. And you should never live your life or form your standards and morals based on subjective reality, on your emotions, on your feelings.

But this is so much of what they do and this is why they’ll have different groups come and go. And even by their own standards and definitions groups that should be on the list that actually are encouraging violence, that are actually inciting hateful behavior, will not make their list because, well, those are progressive groups, as you mentioned, and we support those groups therefore they can’t be on there. There’s a problem when you have a subjective reality that you are using to define what you perceive to be truth.

David:

And so as a consequence now SPLC– and by the way, these guys last I knew had somewhere like 300 million dollars sitting in offshore accounts. So, poverty doesn’t seem to be their issue and if fighting poverty was their issue, they’re not spreading that money around to fight it very well. But they are spreading it around to fight conservative ideologies, conservative beliefs, traditional values. That’s why groups like WallBuilders end up on their hate list. And that’s why at one point during the last administration we actually appeared as a domestic terrorist group because we really actually thought marriage should be between a man and a woman.

Rick:

Imagine that. Â Â

David:

That makes us, wow, that’s a domestic terrorist group. On top of that we actually prefer the Constitution to Sharia law – we thought that those two were kind of incompatible. And all of that ends up– and so there we are in these seminars with the military, and the seminars with Justice Department, FBI, and we’re on that list as one of those. And see, but now they’re starting to be exposed even by some of those on the left. They’re saying, “Whoa this is way over the top. This is way too far.”

So, we’ll hopefully see some of those 300 million bucks start not rolling in the way they have been because it’s been a growing organization in recent years. But it is built around that branding that Tim talked about.

Rick:

Well, to comment on how these changes have come about and how that sunlight as a disinfectant has helped to cause that. General Jerry Boykin will be with us. Stay with us. You’re listening to WallBuilders Live.

Avalon Project

Tim:

Hey, guys, this is Tim Barton with WallBuilders. I know you hear my dad and Rick talk a lot about our Founding Fathers about the original intent of our nation, a constitutional heritage that we have. And really we’ve seen how far we slipped away from that. And I know a lot of us as we hear my dad and Rick talk think, “I wish there was a place that I could go where I could see these documents and I could read and learn about the Founding Fathers firsthand. Â See the things they did.”

I want to give you some websites today that can help you accomplish that very thing. If you get online you can go to places like Library of Congress and you can look under their century of lawmaking or historical documents. You can go to the Avalon Project, to the Founders Constitution, Google Books, or even the internet archives. Â

Or you can just go to WallBuilders.com. We have a section for our WallBuilders Library. And under that section we have different subgroups for historical documents, historical writings, even a place where you can get helpful links to find out more information about other websites. Â Where you can do research for yourself and find the truth for yourself. Friends, this is the time that we need to know who we are and where we came from. WallBuilders.com is a great place to go.

Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Our good friend, General Jerry Boykin, back with us from Family Research Council. General, always good to have you, sir.

General Jerry Boykin:

I am delighted to be with you.

Rick:

Hey, we love being in good company. We consider you great company. And unfortunately, the list that we’re on together with you guys is this mislabelled hate list from Southern Poverty Law Center. But looks like they’re finally getting exposed a little bit for being the hate group that they are.

An Arm of the Marxist Movement in America

General Jerry Boykin:

Yeah, Rick, first of all this is reckless for them to be going around labeling people and organizations as haters, or hate groups, or hate mongers, it’s just reckless behavior. And what happened here in our building in 2012 when a man took that information and came in here and shot our building manager and was here to kill as many of us as possible according to his own testimony. But now SPLC is indeed being exposed by their own side – the left is exposing them now and starting to come to grips with the realities that these people are an arm of the Marxist movement in America.

Rick:

They know– and it’s surprising how much influence they actually have. As radical left as they are, even when it comes to YouTube taking their advice and letting them be a content flagger, to, of course, major media quoting from them all the time and spewing their hate about other groups. Do you think that some of this exposure that’s coming out about how radical left they are will help to decrease their influence?

General Jerry Boykin:

Well, their influence has already decreased. And I think you may know it because you guys, as you said initially, you guys are right in their spotlight just like we are. They have already been discredited by the Department of Justice, for example. They don’t use their data anymore, they don’t have them on their website as an authentic source. The Department of Defense has done the same thing. The Department of Army, separately, has done that. They’ve taken them off their websites and have assured us in writing that they don’t use them anymore as a credible source.

And now when you look at the fact that organizations like Politico is starting to come out against them, and starting to expose them even more, it’s a wake up call for them.

The Reasons Behind the Change

Rick:

Yeah. Yeah, it’s good. In fact, I had forgotten about the military influence that they had had. So, just the fact that all of that has been removed and people are beginning to recognize that is very good news. What do you think changed the tide on this? What were kind of the real reasons that people started being willing to call them what they are and not listen to some of their accusations?

General Jerry Boykin:

Well, I think that conservative groups that were targeted by them, particularly Christian groups that have been targeted by them, have started pushing back and started informing people of who these folks down in Montgomery, Alabama really are and what they”re up to.

And one of the things that’s just come out, Rick, is a report has just come out about how they have totally ignored anti-Semitism in America and especially on college campuses. Anti-Semitism is growing – it is not decreasing, it’s growing in this country and particularly on college campuses. Do you know that they have never reported on that? They don’t say anything at all about this anti-Semitism–

Rick:

Which is actual hate.

General Jerry Boykin:

–is actual hate, true hate.

Rick:

Yeah.

General Jerry Boykin:

Yes. And they don’t do anything about that. So, what they are doing is they are trying to discredit every Christian conservative organization in America. At the same time they’re ignoring threats from Islam, they’re ignoring threats of anti-Semitism, they’re ignoring all of that.

Just Waiting For This

General Jerry Boykin:

And you have to ask them when you get them on a talk show or something like that I’m just waiting for somebody to ask them, “Wait a minute, you labeled WallBuilders and the Family Research Council as a hate group, but now, let me see, is Antifa on that same list?”–

Rick:

Right.

General Jerry Boykin:

“–Because they advocate for violence and I don’t think any of these so-called hate groups that you’ve listed have done that. So, is Antifa on there? How about Black Lives Matter?”–

Rick:

That”s such a good point.

General Jerry Boykin:

–both of which have called for violence and you won”t find them on that list. That’s why this is such a bogus situation that we have here.

Rick:

That is such a good point. And there’s a great website – SPLCexposed.com and it really compiles a lot of the things that you’re talking about – the removal of their influence, the different videos of the groups, Christian groups, that have pushed back and said, “Hey, you”ve got this completely wrong.” You guys at FRC have led the way on that. I’m so glad to see the tide turning against them and the truth actually coming out. So, folks who want to see more of this SPLCexposed.com. It’s got the evidence, and the facts, you can watch the videos. A lot of great groups have come together to get this information out and make sure people are getting good information.

General Boykin, anything to tell us a little bit about? What’s coming up at FRC over the next few months? What have you guys got on your plans?

Coming Up for FRC

General Jerry Boykin:

Well, thanks for asking. As a matter of fact, on the 17th of April we will take about 200 people to Israel and we’ll spend 10 days over there. And we’ve got Michele Bachmann and Ken Blackwell, going with us and then Tony and I will be teaching. And we’ve got to Pastor Dean Hahn out of East Tennessee that will be doing some teaching. So, we’re going to– and we’re going to expose them to some of the members of the Knesset, some of the leadership of Israel and we’re really looking forward to that and that’s big.

And then of course in May is are our annual Watchmen on the Wall Conference and we’ll be bringing pastors in from all over the nation and exposing them to what’s going on in their nation and their capital. And that is also a wonderful time for us because it’s when we get to really spend quality time with pastors who need to know what’s going on in this country and need to know that they’ve got other pastors that are willing to get in the fight with them.

Rick:

I’ve seen the faces of these pastors even halfway through, but certainly by the end of Watchmen on the Wall and just what a powerful experience it is for them and how it just ignites, reignites, their faith first of all. But also just their knowledge of the country, and the role God played in the country, and what’s actually happening in Washington D.C. right now. So, you”re exactly right. It’s a great iron sharpening opportunity for them. Folks that they want to expose their pastor to this and maybe send their pastor to this, I guess go to FRC.org and they can find out more. And it’s not too late to sign up, I’m assuming?

General Jerry Boykin:

It is not too late to sign up and you’re right – go to FRC.org, and you go on our website, and you can find Watchman on the Wall and get your pastor registered. We pay most of the cost. All they have to do is get here and pay about one hundred ninety nine dollars and we provide the rest. We feed them, we provide the hotel and all that. So, it”s a real good opportunity.

A First Class Deal

Rick:

It’s a first class deal.

General Jerry Boykin:

Yeah, it is a first class.

Rick:

Yeah.

General Jerry Boykin:

And you or David, I think, one of you is going to be speaking–

Rick:

Yeah, well, I”m sitting here looking at your speaker list and there’s so many I can’t even mention them all. Yeah, you”ve got some guy named David Barton on there. I don’t know, are you guys sure about your speaker line up there?

General Jerry Boykin:

Well, if you’ll keep it between me and you, look, we’ll find a way to cancel him and bring you.

Rick:

No, it is a great line up. David will be there, the Benham Brothers, you”ve got Senator Lankford, Tony Perkins, General Jerry Boykin, John *, Michele Bachmann, we could go on and on.

General Jerry Boykin:

Yeah.

Rick:

You guys have got a great line up. It”s going to be a fantastic, fantastic, event.

General Jerry Boykin:

Yeah.

Rick:

That”s May 23rd through the 25th there in Washington D.C. FRC.org or you can just go to WatchmenPastors.org and see the details there as well.

General Boykin, thanks so much for joining us today here on WallBuilders live.

General Jerry Boykin:

Glad to be with you. God bless you, brother.

Rick:

Stay with us, folks. We”ll be right back with David and Tim Barton.

America”s History

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Consider what Founding Father John Adams said about this, he declared, “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, anarchy and tyranny commence. If “thou shall not covet” and “thou shall not steal” were not commandments of heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.”

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Rick:

Welcome back. Thanks for staying with us here on WallBuilders Live. Back now with David and Tim Barton.Special thanks to General Jerry Boykin for joining us today as well.

Been Through it Worse Than Most People

Rick:

So, guys, he’s been through– actually they’ve been through worse than most people. The hate speech of Southern Poverty Law Center actually ignited this guy that went in and wanted to kill as many of the Family Research Council folks as he could and actually did shoot one of their guys.

Tim:

Yeah, Rick, it”s one of the great ironies that ideas have consequences. One of the things that it seems like people on the left oftentimes forget and the consequence of their behavior of their map where it showed groups that were identified as hate groups and actually led to someone’s going, “Hey, you know what, we should stop hateful people.” And what’s the best way to stop hateful people? Well, for this guy he was doing something that would be considered–

David:

“Let”s shoot them. Let”s kill them.”

Tim:

–hateful, right?

David:

But their definition is it can’t be hateful if you’re knocking off somebody on the hate crime list.

Tim:

Right. So, this is why it’s so illogical this great irony of this double standard of you have to hate hateful people. You have to be intolerant of intolerant people. And again, it’s mind boggling how they don’t see what this behavior is. But this is ultimately what happened which is why the SPLC see was taken off the list of Department of Justice which is why they cannot be used now to do training for FBI, military, whatever it is.

But this is ultimately what they do is anybody that disagrees with them must be hateful. It’s not just they have a difference of opinion, or like in the case of organizations based on Christian faith, it’s not that they’re basing it on a deeply held religious conviction that”s been around for thousands of years.

Understanding the Philosophy

Tim:

By the way, a conviction that says you should love your neighbor as yourself, do good unto others. That’s the convictions that Christians have as opposed to groups that say, “Hey, if we don’t like homosexuals let’s throw them off rooftops.” It’s interesting the SPLC doesn’t have a lot of these Muslim organizations as hate groups, but they have Christian organizations. It’s such a double standard, it”s so ironic. So, it’s great they’re being exposed for their inconsistent positions.

David:

And Jerry also mentioned he said the SPLC is part of the Marxist movement in America. I think for a lot of people they don’t have a handle on what that is. So, let me throw out a real quick definition so you understand part of their philosophy. Because, Tim, you just identified where they are.

But Marxism is the opposite of the free market and there are three things that Marxists believe. Number one is they believe in promoting social exploitation – that you have to put the classes against each other, you have to have some type of a class conflict, class warfare, you need this turmoil going on. The second thing they are is they’re materialistic, they are secular – God has no part of what goes on. And the third is that you need radical societal transformation, you need things in a state of flux all the time.

And so what they do and what they advocate over at SPLC literally does fit that. They’re not free market, they’re not going to let the best ideas win out, they”re going to try the branding, they’re going to work to set groups against each other – our group vs. your group. They are into a very secularist, very anti God, kind of approach to things.

Southern Poverty Law Center Exposed As A Hate Group

David:

As you mentioned, nothing about Jesus” good teachings in there, but all the other bad guys. And then it also takes this radical societal transformation and says, “We need to overturn society.” And that’s literally what you see. But again, as Jerry said, the good news is that Christians are starting to push back, the SPLC is starting to lose it”s traction. Hopefully they’ll lose some of their funding and continue to lose some of their clout. But we’ll see what happens as time goes on.

Rick:

Special thanks to General Jerry Boykin for joining us today. Thank you for listening. You’ve been listening to WallBuilders Live.