cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29 cooldude9919 Member Hope it does well I wish this project the best even though im not even close to it! Im sure a lot of people will be watching it closely.



FastDSL1

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Snellville, GA FastDSL1 Member Re: Hope it does well Agreed. Hopefully will lead others to pursue similar interests in adequate markets.

25139889 (banned)

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True but you can bet that ATT will slow down the build if they own the poles or can talk the local power company into slowing them down.



WHT

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Rosston, TX WHT Member Re: Hope it does well Only up to the mandated time limit allowed by FCC easement law.

25139889 (banned)

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Toledo, OH 25139889 (banned) Member Re: Hope it does well you mean rule? FCC doesn't pass laws. they pass rules. they're not given legal power to pass law. but T could very well make it very difficult for them to wire.

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Hope it does well >FCC doesn't pass laws. they pass rules.



Really? So if I deliberately interfere with a radio station, I can't go to jail?



What is the difference between a 'law' and a 'rule'?

25139889 (banned)

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Toledo, OH 25139889 (banned) Member Re: Hope it does well The difference is Congress NEVER gave them the power to create laws. They gave them the power to create rules. And that is a rule not a law.



A law is passed/put into effect by someone that has the power (Congress or other legal bodies) others issue RULES. Even the IRS for the most part uses RULES and not Laws but they have the power to use both.



memoryinuse2

@bellsouth.net memoryinuse2 Anon Re: Hope it does well ADMINISTRATIVE LAW CONCERNS RULES

Terabit

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Well put. Overseas, their equivalent FCC and consumer protection agencies have the authority to smack down these companies.



This is why the have common cellar frequencies and technology, allowing for legitimate competition. Or mandating that handsets have to be unlocked, allowing the customer to choose who to use with their handsets.



The excellent and competitive products and services offered abroad speaks for itself. Whereas, we allowed the 'free market' (aka the corrupt) to pull the string here and have been forced to bend over and take it.

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Only congress can pass bills and the president signs them into law. As he stated, agencies can only pass rules under the authority granted to them by congress.

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Hope it does well Ok, but what is the effective difference? It seems that agencies (FCC, IRS) have their own courts(?) but if I can be sentenced to prison time for willful radio interference or not paying taxes is there really a difference; or is it name only?



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They'll just try to make sonic take an arrow in the knee.



Jim Kirk

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49985 1 recommendation Jim Kirk Premium Member Re: Hope it does well Fail



FFH5

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said by 25139889: True but you can bet that ATT will slow down the build if they own the poles or can talk the local power company into slowing them down.

Sonic's biggest obstacle would more likely be the Board of Supervisors and their aesthetics nazis than would AT&T or a power company. NIMBY is the rallying cry of neighborhood activists in SF.

axus

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Washington, DC axus Member Re: Hope it does well Real high speed internet would increase property value though. AT&T U-verse isn't anything that would draw an upper income earner, I can understand why the cabinets aren't worth it.

25139889 (banned)

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Toledo, OH 25139889 (banned) Member Re: Hope it does well people barely have money to pay for food let alone worrying about property values going up due to HSI.

mogamer

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Royal Oak, MI mogamer Member Re: Hope it does well said by 25139889: people barely have money to pay for food let alone worrying about property values going up due to HSI.

Which people are you talking about? Not the people who live in that part of SF, that's for sure.

25139889 (banned)

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dvd536

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said by 25139889: people barely have money to pay for food let alone worrying about property values going up due to HSI.



surprising fios isn't there. SF isn't exactly a minimum wage city to live in due to high cost of living there.surprising fios isn't there.

Terabit

join:2008-12-19 Terabit Member Re: Hope it does well said by dvd536: SF isn't exactly a minimum wage city to live in due to high cost of living there.

surprising fios isn't there.





If only the tech capital of the world knew what they were missing out on.



Verizon should have rolled out a new network in the San Jose area. AT&T has the monopoly there, with their useless crap-verse.If only the tech capital of the world knew what they were missing out on.Verizon should have rolled out a new network in the San Jose area.

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I'd move if I only had u-verse to choose from. FIOS absolutely destroys it and San Fran does miss out.

BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: Hope it does well Jeez, you're spoiled aren't you. All we have is Comcast cable. Good enough, but not great. And it's 1/3 the speed of U-Verse.



Veloslave

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Martinez, CA 1 recommendation Veloslave Premium Member Re: Hope it does well said by BiggA: Jeez, you're spoiled aren't you. All we have is Comcast cable. Good enough, but not great. And it's 1/3 the speed of U-Verse.





You've got some catching up to do. Comcast only 1/3 as fast as u-verse? On what planet? When did you come here to earth?You've got some catching up to do.

BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: Hope it does well Comcast = 8mbps

U-Verse = 24mbps



8/24 = 1/3



FFH5

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: Hope it does well said by BiggA: Comcast = 8mbps

U-Verse = 24mbps



8/24 = 1/3





Comcast also offers 30 mbps, 50 mbps and 105 mbps speeds. U-Verse can't go that fast even if you were willing to pay for it.



P.S.>> And I have the regular Comcast tier and I get 15 mbps BEFORE powerboost speeds up to about 27 mbps.













Where did you come up with 8 mbps as top Comcast speed?Comcast also offers 30 mbps, 50 mbps and 105 mbps speeds. U-Verse can't go that fast even if you were willing to pay for it.P.S.>> And I have the regular Comcast tier and I get 15 mbps BEFORE powerboost speeds up to about 27 mbps.

BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Re: Hope it does well First of all, those lower packages are showing the burst speeds, not the sustained speeds.



In our area, the top sustained speed for Comcast is 8mbps, U-Verse is 24mbps. Our area has U-Verse, just not in my neighborhood.



I think Comcast is just about on the brink of upgrading to allow the faster packages. When they come, we'll get upgraded from 8mbps to 16mbps, but I tried it the other day, and we're not at 16 yet. I can't figure out what their packages are from their website, they are so confusing, I think you need a PhD in Comcast to figure them out.



I think our Powerboost goes to around 25/2.5, our equipment is limited to a theoretical maximum of 38/30...



Supposedly, U-Verse is going to 50mbps for pair-bonded setups. At least there is a little bit of competition...

hescominsoon

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Brunswick, MD hescominsoon Member Re: Hope it does well said by BiggA: First of all, those lower packages are showing the burst speeds, not the sustained speeds.



In our area, the top sustained speed for Comcast is 8mbps, U-Verse is 24mbps. Our area has U-Verse, just not in my neighborhood.



I think Comcast is just about on the brink of upgrading to allow the faster packages. When they come, we'll get upgraded from 8mbps to 16mbps, but I tried it the other day, and we're not at 16 yet. I can't figure out what their packages are from their website, they are so confusing, I think you need a PhD in Comcast to figure them out.



I think our Powerboost goes to around 25/2.5, our equipment is limited to a theoretical maximum of 38/30...



Supposedly, U-Verse is going to 50mbps for pair-bonded setups. At least there is a little bit of competition...

nopers. The minimum provision is 12mbps with boot up to 25 or higher.

BiggA

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Veloslave

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said by BiggA: Comcast = 8mbps

U-Verse = 24mbps



8/24 = 1/3





Does ATT have a 105mbps package available for residential?



OK, end of that debate.



(looks like TJ straightened this out 15 seconds faster than I... nice job Comcast has up to 105mbps available in the City. Maybe you choose to buy some cheap slow package but that does not mean U-verse is faster than Pachell. I am in NO WAY a fan of either company... but Comcast has MUCH faster speeds available over coax with DOCIS3.Does ATT have a 105mbps package available for residential?OK, end of that debate.(looks like TJ straightened this out 15 seconds faster than I... nice job

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In the SF environment, I don't think anyone like AT&T, partly because of the inadequate network planning their of related AT&T Mobility (which most people see as one company), so the local government will probably support this.

kerya666

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I would definitely switch from Bright House (Road Runner) internet to them ( keep the TV). I love Brighthouse service but their speeds and tiers are mediocre at best; and FiOS is a rip-off( and crap customer service) in my eyes after all of the Verizon "fees and taxes" get added on and in contrast to Sonic.

xrobertcmx

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You nailed it. Good luck to Sonic!

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member $$ Yet another FTTP deployment offering stand-alone lower prices than Verizon.... tsk, tsk, tsk.



JasonOD

@comcast.net JasonOD Anon Huge risk Don't know how this is going to work given VZ couldn't make it work even with their larger scale economics. Unless Dane & his financer's are willing to take a long & low ROI, it's going to be a very rough road.

aerith

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aerith Premium Member Sunset District Really, start at Sunset District???



When I did a redfin search for available housing in the Sunset District, most of the available housing is one bathroom, and over $500,000 !!!



It would be smarter for Sonic.net to start at the Bayview District, where the average price for a house, according to redfin, is $450,000 vs. $720,000 for the Sunset District.



Although the Sunset District is a start, I would start in neighborhoods, where housing is cheaper.



Any fiber deployment will make the housing price go up, so it may not be an average of $700,000 for a house in the Sunset District, two years from now.



To dane, I know it will take "five" years to develop this for most of the San Francisco City, but please put the Bayview District next, as I am looking for new housing (currently, I am looking at Long Beach, CA for two reasons, 1. Long Beach has fiber optics, and 2. some bus routes have 15 minute frequency) anywhere where there is 24mbps internet that is not using DOCSIS, or from AT&T and Cenurylink, that from the house, there is a bus stop 0.125 miles from the house, and is also 15 minute frequency, and there are Frys Electronics and Micro Center within 3 hours by public transit.



I have a found a house in the Bayview District, but it's a short sale, and it's about $400,000.



io chico

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Marble Falls, TX 1 recommendation io chico Premium Member Increased property values I will never buy another house without first verifying myself that there is a fast connection. I won't even take someone's word for it.



Many of my neighbors can only get satellite.



CompNrdCR

@sonic.net CompNrdCR Anon Sweeeeet I am in RC but man I love sonic... They think about the customer and believe in providing honest internet services.



IPPlanMan

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Washington, DC IPPlanMan Member No mention of a cap...



»corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/ ··· eb-hogs/



How come Sonic can offer service without caps but others (ahem Comcast/AT&T) can't? No mention of a cap?How come Sonic can offer service without caps but others (ahem Comcast/AT&T) can't?

nickv123

join:2011-12-14

San Francisco, CA nickv123 Member Nice! Good ISPs are starting to arrive in SF. This is great news!



Currently, I'm a webpass subscriber -- which is an AMAZING ISP -- they provide uncapped 100/100 for $45/mo or $400/yr, but they're limited to pretty much SOMA.



Having more options for fast internet in more neighborhoods in the city can only be a good thing!



ChucksTruck

@teksavvy.com ChucksTruck Anon I wonder what this would cost in Canada? This would cost at least $5,000.00 a month in Canada not to mention the cap here would be around 100 (one hundred) gigabytes a month and would also be severely throttled. With no caps it would cost around $25,000.00 a month up here.



JigglyWiggly

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Pleasanton, CA JigglyWiggly Member Re: I wonder what this would cost in Canada? Ugh I wish I lived in SF now, I am in Pleasanton, so close, yet so far... ;'(



SoClose

@sonic.net SoClose Anon Re: I wonder what this would cost in Canada? Pfft. That's not close. I live in Daly City. Very close to the border with SF. I'm basically a thousand feet too far to get fiber.



JohnInSJ

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Aptos, CA JohnInSJ Premium Member guess I can expect the buildout to reach San Jose Sometime after my great grandchildren are born. Go Sonic! (yes, I love Sonic, and was a DSL customer of theirs for years. Just couldn't stand the 6/.8 speeds in 2009, when comcast business class offered 2x the speed for $5 less a month. No cap. 2 less static IPs (6 vs 8))



If Sonic wants to test their fiber out here, I'm ready.

ConstantineM

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San Jose, CA 1 edit ConstantineM Member Best of luck to Sonic.net with their FTTP plans for San Fran It's great to see Sonic.net making FTTP expansion plans so very soon! Can't wait until they'll be expanding even further down in the Bay Area!



Here in San Jose, CA, 95126, I have AT&T U-verse FTTP (622/155 1:32 BPON, over which AT&T is only willing to provide a laughable 18/1.5 internet), yet I'd be willing to bet that it won't be AT&T that would be the first one with true broadband packages like even 100/10 (not even speaking of 1000/100 for under 100 bucks).



Sonic.net FTW!

ohh

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San Jose, CA ohh Member Sonic Come to San Jose!!!!!!!!



TongSama

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Santa Rosa, CA TongSama Member No hometown love? Sonic.net based in Santa Rosa, but we are waiting? Lucky people in frisco.



EGeezer

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Midwest EGeezer Premium Member Sonic I thought they were talking about the burger chain ...

05678973 (banned)

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OWS123

@lstn.net OWS123 Anon Is GPON Good Enough For The Future? I remember reading somewhere from Dane that Sonic is using Adtran's GPON CPEs for homes. Assuming that if they share a lead fibre with upto 32 users, 100mbps is still feasible but how about those subscribing a 1gbps line will they have less contention such as 1:8 with the lead fibre?



Besides, is Google considering DWM PON? I can only see the benefit of DWM PON as a backhaul solution and not for end users i a long run



Reason:



1) It's unproven and cramming wavelengths over a single fiber can have serious complications.



2) Expensive white band(tunable ONTs/couplers) equipments



3) Unbundling for customers at L2(switch level) is impossible for PONs.



4) Difficult troubleshooting.



Go Active Ethernet for 1Gbps and beyond!



DWM PON can still be use for backhaul and feeding the Active Ethernet switch.



With a total of 40Gbps combined capacity, DWM PON could provide more than enough bandwidth even for a 32 ports Gigabit Ethernet Active Switch.



This makes more sense for a future proof design.