Bernie Sanders appeared on Late Night with Seth Meyers to discuss the upcoming election and the differences between a Donald Trump and a Hillary Clinton presidency.

During the interview, Sanders made the case that the media focused too much on personalities and urged his supporters to look past a candidate’s personality and look at the issues facing this country.

‘Look, what media does is focus on Trump’s personality and Clinton’s personality and my personality. What is personality, right? We got to get beyond personality. You don’t like Hillary Clinton? Fine. Take a hard look at the issues that impact your life.’

Sanders then went on to outline the issues facing this country, discussing everything from college education to climate change to health care.

‘What Hillary Clinton is saying, she’s going to make public colleges and universities tuition free for all families earning $125,000 or less and deal significantly with student debt. You know what? That is a very big deal in this country. She’s going to double the number of community health centers in this country so working class people and low income can have access to healthcare. That’s a big deal. She is going to address climate change. She is going to raise taxes on the rich. So what I would ask those people who voted for me, even if you have concerns about Clinton. You don’t like this aspect? I understand that, but look at the hard issues that impact your lives and your neighbors’ lives and then think whether or not you want Donald Trump to become president. And I think if you frame it that way, our people will end up voting for Clinton.’

Meyers then switched the topic to the Democratic Party as a whole, asking Sanders how the party wins the support of Trump voters.

‘That’s a very good question and the answer is the Democratic Party has not done enough of that. And what does that mean? It says to a working class person who’s trying to get by on 10 bucks an hour and you cannot get by on 10 bucks an hour. You know what? You stand with us; we’re going to raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour. […] ‘The Democratic Party is going to stand up to the drug companies and we’re not going to allow our greed to continue ripping off our people who can’t afford the medicine they need.’

The Vermont senator also took aim at Trump, going so far as to agree with Mitt Romney’s assertion that Trump is a “fraud.”

‘I think what people will understand is that, as we look at the real issues facing the American people—and that is the decline of the American middle class, income inequality, and climate change—you’ve got a guy like Trump who denies the reality of climate change, which the scientists tell us is the major global crisis that we face. So, I think more and more people will catch on to what Mitt Romney—and I don’t often quote Mitt Romney—but Romney was right at least once and he called Trump a ‘phony’ and a ‘fraud,’ and I agree with that assertion.’

When asked about the common view that Trump was a champion of working people, Sanders dismissed that.

‘It’s pathetic and it’s laughable. Here is a guy who has exploited people for much of his business career. Here is a guy who claims how concerned he is about American companies going abroad to manufacture products—a very legitimate concern—and yet his own clothing manufacturing is done in other countries around the world where the poor workers are being exploited. And then he talks about how he’s going to stand up with working people, and he puts his business advisers council together and they’re all these billionaire conservative folks. So I don’t think there’s any reason for anyone to believe that Trump is going to stand with working people. He’s a billionaire; his proposals call for massive tax breaks for the wealthiest people in this country. This is not a guy who, in my view, is going to stand up for working people.’

Trump has built his campaign on working class anger. Specifically, on the anger of the white working class, but as Sanders points out, he hasn’t built his career on helping any aspect of the working class. His real estate empire was built on the backs of New York’s tax payers. He’s bragged a lot about how many people he’s employed, but there are many reports of him stiffing contractors and ripping off small businesses.

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