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Re: DOMA

From:jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com To: john.podesta@gmail.com CC: richard.socarides@gmail.com Date: 2015-10-25 18:29 Subject: Re: DOMA

There is a call going on now on how to handle. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2015, at 4:20 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote: She's down tomorrow and needs o stay down. Bernie went after this again today. Jen, thoughts? On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Richard Socarides <richard.socarides@gmail.com> wrote: > I think it's better to be proactive because this will fester plus she's > going to get this question again anyway soon enuf. > > I've been speaking with Maya. Best if she says something to a reporter > herself. She could call Chris Geidner at BuzzFeed. I know that's hard. > > Second best is put out a statement on paper. Either from her or you or > Jen. I could help write it. > > Third option, possible for somebody to call a reporter on her behalf. Call > someone with whom we have a relationship and explain, or I could call and > try to explain it but this is definitely not as good as the first two, at > least by itself. > > Richard > 917-400-6178 > > On Oct 25, 2015, at 3:06 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','john.podesta@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Richard, > Should we hunker down and not repeat the mistake or do we have to do > something more proactive. > John > > On Sunday, October 25, 2015, Richard Socarides < > richard.socarides@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','richard.socarides@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Below from LGBT political list-serve: >> >> • *Hillary Clinton, you have a problem:* >> >> https://twitter.com/MSignorile/status/658306796797501440 >> >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michelangelo-signorile/bill-clinton-and-doma-the_b_2838666.html >> >> "That's complete nonsense," Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry told Metro >> Weekly in 2011. "There was no conversation about something 'worse' until >> eight years later. There was no talk of a constitutional amendment, and no >> one even thought it was possible -- and, of course, it turned out it wasn't >> really possible to happen. ... That was never an argument made in the '90s." >> >> • *Hilary Rosen @hilaryr:* @BernieSanders is right. Note to my friends >> Bill and #Hillary: *Pls stop saying DOMA was to prevent something worse. >> It wasnt, I was there.* >> >> • *@JoeSudbay:* @DavidMixner @MSignorile 96 Clinton campaign's radio ads >> touting his signature on DOMA undermines this revision too >> http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/15/us/ad-touts-clinton-s-opposing-gay-marriage.html >> >> • *@MSignorile:* How does story from '96 fit Hillary claim DOMA was for >> our own good? --> Ad Touts Clinton's Opposing Gay Marriage >> http://nyti.ms/1LPfkVt >> >> • *@DavidMixner:* @MSignorile @sudbay *Hillary's version of DADT and >> DOMA is so wrong. The only 'defensive posture' was for their personal >> politics not LGBT* >> >> • *@MSignorile: Even Elizabeth Birch*, former head of @HRC & a Hillary >> supporter, slammed Bill for DOMA, refuting Hillary's story. >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-birch/president-clinton-says-do_b_2840112.html >> >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Jennifer Palmieri < >> jennifer.m.palmieri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Plus Christina >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 24, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Richard Socarides < >>> richard.socarides@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Attached expanded TPs which incorporate Qs like when did you actually >>> change your mind on gay marriage. >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Jennifer Palmieri < >>> jennifer.m.palmieri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks - plus others >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> > On Oct 24, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Richard Socarides < >>>> richard.socarides@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > First we have to remember that while that was only 19 years ago, it >>>> was a different time entirely. Luckily the whole country has evolved since >>>> then to a much better understanding about what it means to be LGBT. >>>> > >>>> > Bill never supported the defense of marriage act. It certainly was >>>> not a proposal made by his administration. And he called it unnecessary >>>> even at the time. It was a republican led effort to use a wedge issue >>>> against him in the election. It passed both houses of Congress with >>>> overwhelming veto-proof majorities and when he signed it, I think it was >>>> because he felt he had no other options. Had he vetoed it, his veto would >>>> surely have been overridden and it would've become a central issue in the >>>> campaign. I know he wasn't happy about it. And he expressed that at the >>>> time. Today I'm proud of the fact that he asked the Supreme Court overturn >>>> legislation that he himself signed. >>>> > >>>> > Luckily we are more enlightened country now – and I'm hopeful that if >>>> I'm elected I can help lead us to an even greater embrace of true equality. >>>> I've laid out a very specific plan in this regard. Including passage of the >>>> equality act, continued pressure on our allies to view LGBT rights in a >>>> human rights context, and perhaps most importantly, making sure that all >>>> Americans including young people experience the equality the the Supreme >>>> Court envisioned in this regard. >>>> > >>>> > If pressed about whether there was a constitutional amendment issue >>>> at the time DOMA was signed: you know, I'm not sure it matters at this >>>> point. Luckily we've evolved well beyond that period. Obviously there have >>>> been efforts to push a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. >>>> Luckily it never came about. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Richard >>>> > 917-400-6178 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Socarides >>> 917.400.6178 >>> >>> <DOMA.LGBT.TPs.Oct2015.docx> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Richard Socarides >> 917.400.6178 >> >