Here's most of the interview, in two pieces:

Kicking things off, Grace demands to know how he can back legalization in the context of the (truly disturbing) videos. Retorts the emcee, "I don't think that you could put an umbrella on the whole community from these incidents that you just named. You can't use these particular stories to define everybody that has recreational use."

While he points out that alcohol abuse or mental illness are often factors in such stories, his essential argument returns to the centrality of the nuclear family as the fundamental unit of a society. "I have two beautiful girls and I'm a great father," he said, noting that he doesn't allow his children to use caffeine, much less harder stuff. "I feel everybody should take care of their own. It's about governing your own household, it's about taking care of your own property," perhaps an implicit reference to George W. Bush's ownership society.

From there, 2Chainz took up a pragmatic libertarian approach to drugs. "I’m not sure if you know, but everybody has the ability to get their hands on pot now, whether it’s legal or not," he said wryly. He positioned legalization as a way to avoid overcriminalization, noting that drug convictions can hinder citizens' ability to get homes or to get loans, perhaps to start a business. (While he didn't mention racial disparities in arrest rates, he hardly needed to.) He noted that prisons are overcrowded, and citing an incident in which his entourage was hassled over drug charges that were ultimately dropped, he railed against an overweening police presence that limits liberty and wastes taxpayer money. Grace, a former district attorney, seemed oddly unaware of any of these arguments.

"We in a deficit right now, we’ve got to try to find ways on getting out," he said, sounding every bit like Alan Simpson, the former senator, deficit hawk, and sometime rap-video dancer. "If we’ve got half the states legalizing pot, that frees up taxpayer money, that allows us to use that extra money" for infrastructure repairs.

Later, during an exchange with his ex-prosecutor foil, the rapper showed what appeared to be a more adroit courtroom manner than Grace, sewing convincing doubts about her inferences from grainy videos: "Did you see him smoking weed? Who was actually shooting this? Let's go to court! ... I'm creating reasonable doubt." (At one moment, Grace realized what was going on and noted it, though she didn't rebut it.)

Grace, meanwhile, continued to try to force a statist, nannying approach to the matter. "Other people don't have the advantages you have," she said. "Everybody is not responsible!" But 2Chainz would have none of it. When she asked him if he smoked weed in high school, she walked right into his trap. "Would you want your children doing that?" she asked. Of course not, he replied.