is very high. we do have americans always willing to pay that price for freedom, but we cannot take that for granted. that's what's going on, and far too many cases, they taking for granted that willingness to go out there and give everything they have. these service members have to be offered the opportunity to get their care wherever they want it, the v.a. or somewhere else, so they're getting the care they feel is best for themselves. >> so you -- your proposal here is that veterans don't have to go just to the v.a., they should be able to go everywhere. >> that's right. there's a veterans choice program, but it's largely used for veterans they immediate meet a certain threshold or live too far from their facility, so that might be the reasons they're given access to veterans choice. this could be access to every single service member so they can choose the care that's best for themselves so the v.a. has to compete for their care.