

baineschile

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Sterling Heights, MI baineschile Premium Member Revenue Once programmers realized that netflix was actually causing a dent, one could predict what was going to happen; they jack up their rates to netflix, and thats passed on the consumer. Itll only get worse for netflix, until content producers see the same revenue from netflix, as they do from the sat/cable/fiber cos.



I dont think IP video will take over, but hopefully, it will create enough competition where the traditional TV companies will actually have to either lower prices, or ramp up innovation.

pandora

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join:2001-06-01

Outland pandora Premium Member Re: Revenue Netflix stock has been doing great, but they seem to be blundering of late.



Charging per stream? When they cost as much as cable, and have much less content to offer, who will be interested?



Eagles1221

join:2009-04-29

Vincentown, NJ Eagles1221 Member Re: Revenue no commercials...can watch 3 1/2 shows in 1 hour. Worth it to me.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ 1 recommendation fifty nine to baineschile

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said by baineschile: Once programmers realized that netflix was actually causing a dent, one could predict what was going to happen; they jack up their rates to netflix, and thats passed on the consumer. Itll only get worse for netflix, until content producers see the same revenue from netflix, as they do from the sat/cable/fiber cos.



I dont think IP video will take over, but hopefully, it will create enough competition where the traditional TV companies will actually have to either lower prices, or ramp up innovation.





You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole. This has nothing really to do with programmers. This has solely to do with Netflix wanting to increase profits.You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole.



nightmare

@charter.com nightmare Anon Re: Revenue said by fifty nine: said by baineschile: Once programmers realized that netflix was actually causing a dent, one could predict what was going to happen; they jack up their rates to netflix, and thats passed on the consumer. Itll only get worse for netflix, until content producers see the same revenue from netflix, as they do from the sat/cable/fiber cos.



I dont think IP video will take over, but hopefully, it will create enough competition where the traditional TV companies will actually have to either lower prices, or ramp up innovation.





You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole.

This has nothing really to do with programmers. This has solely to do with Netflix wanting to increase profits.You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole. So your saying the content holders have NOTHING to do with Netflix raising the rates? If that was the case then why would content holders put clauses in the contracts about number of users subscribed to netflix??? Content providers don't want netflix to be as entertaining as cab/sat companies. If they let netflix have the same content at lower prices, people would drop cab/sat companies in a heart beat. Content holders don't want to lose all that money from cab/sat companies so Mr. Executive cant buy another BMW.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ fifty nine Member Re: Revenue said by nightmare : So your saying the content holders have NOTHING to do with Netflix raising the rates? If that was the case then why would content holders put clauses in the contracts about number of users subscribed to netflix??? Content providers don't want netflix to be as entertaining as cab/sat companies. If they let netflix have the same content at lower prices, people would drop cab/sat companies in a heart beat. Content holders don't want to lose all that money from cab/sat companies so Mr. Executive cant buy another BMW.

No, what I am saying is that Netflix in this case is not raising rates. They are merely enforcing a policy which they unofficially let slide for a while.



dvd536

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said by fifty nine: said by baineschile: Once programmers realized that netflix was actually causing a dent, one could predict what was going to happen; they jack up their rates to netflix, and thats passed on the consumer. Itll only get worse for netflix, until content producers see the same revenue from netflix, as they do from the sat/cable/fiber cos.



I dont think IP video will take over, but hopefully, it will create enough competition where the traditional TV companies will actually have to either lower prices, or ramp up innovation.



This has nothing really to do with programmers. This has solely to do with Netflix wanting to increase profits. If they had more money to purchase more bandwidth maybe they wouldn't be throttling to lower quality streams when congestion arises. its definately annoying when you get throttled and an immediate speedtest shows you got 31mbps available!

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray to fifty nine

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said by fifty nine: said by baineschile: Once programmers realized that netflix was actually causing a dent, one could predict what was going to happen; they jack up their rates to netflix, and thats passed on the consumer. Itll only get worse for netflix, until content producers see the same revenue from netflix, as they do from the sat/cable/fiber cos.



I dont think IP video will take over, but hopefully, it will create enough competition where the traditional TV companies will actually have to either lower prices, or ramp up innovation.





You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole.

This has nothing really to do with programmers. This has solely to do with Netflix wanting to increase profits.You were never officially allowed to stream to more than one device anyway. They're just plugging this hole.



Content owners will make better margins when Amazon, Redbox, Google, Akamai, Walmart, or some other Netflix wannabe builds the nationally branded Super cable cache library engine, which can deliver HD streams without Net Neutrality constraints. Netflix will be irrelevant if they don't raise prices, substantially improve their library, and negotiate bandwidth guarantees / cap exemptions. Utter nonsense. Watch Netflix' profit margins over the next two years - they will struggle to stay afloat. They are losing content, even as the cost of the content spirals skyward. The studios don't need Netflix; they aren't going to give up viewing rights cheap now that streaming is viable, and where streaming dramatically increases the number of title-views/household/month.Content owners will make better margins when Amazon, Redbox, Google, Akamai, Walmart, or some other Netflix wannabe builds the nationally branded Super cable cache library engine, which can deliver HD streams without Net Neutrality constraints. Netflix will be irrelevant if they don't raise prices, substantially improve their library, and negotiate bandwidth guarantees / cap exemptions.

SpectrumDude

join:2002-04-14

Kernersville, NC SpectrumDude Member Keep Hammering One of these nails will be the final one in the Netflix coffin.



JRW2

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La La Land JRW2 Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by SpectrumDude: One of these nails will be the final one in the Netflix coffin.

That's my feeling on the subject. Keep decreasing the usefulness of the product and you will find a point where people no longer want it...



PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13

Baltimore, MD PapaMidnight Member Re: Keep Hammering Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.



burner50

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Iowa burner50 Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by PapaMidnight: Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.

Netflix is still a bargain compared to the alternatives. I would switch to hulu plus but I don't want to pay AND watch their crappy ads...



JRW2

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La La Land JRW2 Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by burner50: said by PapaMidnight: Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.



Netflix is still a bargain compared to the alternatives. I would switch to hulu plus but I don't want to pay AND watch their crappy ads...

That's why you pay for it... I thought Hulu plus had no ads???That's why you pay for it...



RockCake

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Woodbridge, VA RockCake Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by JRW2: I thought Hulu plus had no ads???

That's why you pay for it...

You would think so, hmm? But nope, you get the privilege of paying for premium web content AND seeing ads. Thanks, but no thanks.

90115534 (banned)

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Kenner, LA 90115534 (banned) Member Re: Keep Hammering said by RockCake: said by JRW2: I thought Hulu plus had no ads???

That's why you pay for it...



You would think so, hmm? But nope, you get the privilege of paying for premium web content AND seeing ads. Thanks, but no thanks. Wow that sucks good thing I don't get any ads.



burner50

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Iowa burner50 Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by 90115534: said by RockCake: said by JRW2: I thought Hulu plus had no ads???

That's why you pay for it...



You would think so, hmm? But nope, you get the privilege of paying for premium web content AND seeing ads. Thanks, but no thanks.

Wow that sucks good thing I don't get any ads. The black screen telling you that you're supposed to be seeing ads is just as bad as the ads.



PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13

Baltimore, MD PapaMidnight to JRW2

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said by JRW2: said by burner50: said by PapaMidnight: Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.



Netflix is still a bargain compared to the alternatives. I would switch to hulu plus but I don't want to pay AND watch their crappy ads...

That's why you pay for it...

I thought Hulu plus had no ads???That's why you pay for it... That's the brilliance of Microsoft's Xbox Live Gold service. $50 subscription for... more ads!

90115534 (banned)

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said by burner50: said by PapaMidnight: Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.



Netflix is still a bargain compared to the alternatives. I would switch to hulu plus but I don't want to pay AND watch their crappy ads... I never get any ads on Hulu but I really don't use it.



burner50

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Iowa burner50 Premium Member Re: Keep Hammering said by 90115534: said by burner50: said by PapaMidnight: Indeed. I already know quite a few people who darn near terminated their Netflix accounts when they had to decide between streaming or dvd. Most went for streaming. But they also happen to be people who tend to share accounts. I can't see this playing out well.



Netflix is still a bargain compared to the alternatives. I would switch to hulu plus but I don't want to pay AND watch their crappy ads...

I never get any ads on Hulu but I really don't use it. I smell bullshit.

90115534 (banned)

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Kenner, LA 90115534 (banned) Member Re: Keep Hammering said by burner50: I smell bullshit.





Best ad blocker in existence. Your lost if you don't believe. Then I guess you never heard of Ad Muncher. You can even try it for proof if you really need to.Best ad blocker in existence. Your lost if you don't believe.



Corehhi

join:2002-01-28

Bluffton, SC Corehhi Member Wait a minute OK now Netflix is making me mad. The rate hike was large but not a deal breaker since I have noticed a bunch of new shows on streaming but I"m thinking of canceling the DVD by mail. I do use more than one stream on occasion so Netflix is becoming less and less useful by the day, I'm not using Netflix because I want a new cable company. I use Netfix to get rid of my cable company but they are making it harder and harder month by month to justify it.

doofoo

join:2002-01-21

Upper Marlboro, MD doofoo Member canceling my account now Screw them.. I'll just keep my money, not like they care but whatever



gigahurtz

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join:2001-10-20

USA gigahurtz Premium Member Netflix is starting to dig their grave.. The changes that have been made lately will surely piss many off. This bait and switch tactic will soon be their demise. I know I'll be canceling soon



pnh102

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Mount Airy, MD 1 recommendation pnh102 Premium Member Hmmm... Perhaps Netflix discovered that keeping on many customers who would watch multiple streams wasn't helping them to be profitable. I make this assumption based on the notion that the content owner would be getting a cut of the revenue each time a movie or TV show is streamed. If multiple users stream from a single account without paying more, it is possible that those licensing fees would eat up any profit Netflix might have realized from that account.



If said customers leave, it might be a net gain for the company.



cableties

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join:2005-01-27 1 recommendation cableties Premium Member No big deal

If you have been using one account for multiple streams, you were doing it against the agreement.



Like giving out account info to friends and family so they could watch shows (dorms,...). Can't do this with cable, unless you have a STB. Whats the big deal?



Please, netflix doesn't control the content so we all saw this coming. What is coming next is just like cable before, Netflix will buy independent shows, create its own programming and become the next HBO without the cable company. And regrettably, we will have more advertising...a whole lot more. Or someone like Dish or another will buy them up. Even now, we have so many choices and too many choices (Hulu, Crackle, Amazon, Netflix, YouTube, OTA, and hundreds of other sources both legal and illegal aka torrents / ripping redbox rentals for friends/family)



In the meantime, DO cut the cord. DON'T buy DVD/BluRay media and DO demand cheaper TV to your home. There is no reason to pay more for less. Seriously, Netflix stated this long ago, one stream.If you have been using one account for multiple streams, you were doing it against the agreement.Like giving out account info to friends and family so they could watch shows (dorms,...). Can't do this with cable, unless you have a STB. Whats the big deal?Please, netflix doesn't control the content so we all saw this coming. What is coming next is just like cable before, Netflix will buy independent shows, create its own programming and become the next HBO without the cable company. And regrettably, we will have more advertising...a whole lot more. Or someone like Dish or another will buy them up. Even now, we have so many choices and too many choices (Hulu, Crackle, Amazon, Netflix, YouTube, OTA, and hundreds of other sources both legal and illegal aka torrents / ripping redbox rentals for friends/family)In the meantime, DO cut the cord. DON'T buy DVD/BluRay media and DO demand cheaper TV to your home. There is no reason to pay more for less.

rradina

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rradina Member Re: No big deal I agree regarding handing out to friends and perhaps that's what prompted this tactic.



Regarding whether or not this is fair, that depends on how much additional stream options cost. If it's only a few bucks a month like the rent on a typical cable STB, fine. They are being competitive. If you have to pay for a second account, then they just eliminated a primary reason why folks might cut the cord for NetFlix.



If you have multiple family members and you cut the cord, they're all going to want to watch programs at the same time. If they each need an account, NetFlix has no cost advantage over CATV packages and may be at a disadvantage depending on how many members want to watch shows at the same time.



It's kind of amazing how NetFlix existed for years on dirt cheap prices. Unlike most business where volume drives prices lower, NetFlix' popularity is driving prices higher. I think it's time the FTC investigated this phenomenon since the economics are bass ackward.



UHF

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They should allow unlimited simultaneous streams to a single IP address. More than one IP? Then charge additional per stream. Seems that would prevent account sharing. It's not perfect, since a 3G device wouldn't be able to stream at the same time, but if it were in your home you could always stream via WiFi.



SpaethCo

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join:2001-04-21

Minneapolis, MN SpaethCo MVM Re: No big deal said by UHF: They should allow unlimited simultaneous streams to a single IP address. More than one IP? Then charge additional per stream. Seems that would prevent account sharing. This is easily subverted by connecting all of the accounts through a common proxy server.



dvd536

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: No big deal said by SpaethCo: said by UHF: They should allow unlimited simultaneous streams to a single IP address. More than one IP? Then charge additional per stream. Seems that would prevent account sharing.

This is easily subverted by connecting all of the accounts through a common proxy server. til netflix bans the proxy server. this happens A LOT on media websites. course finding a proxy that can actually provide high speeds. . . . .



SpaethCo

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Minneapolis, MN SpaethCo MVM Re: No big deal said by dvd536: til netflix bans the proxy server. this happens A LOT on media websites. course finding a proxy that can actually provide high speeds. . . . .



Setting up a private proxy server is cheap and easy, and can be done for costs as low as $0 (depending on usage) with the commoditization of virtual compute resources. Assuming you were using a public proxy server, sure.Setting up a private proxy server is cheap and easy, and can be done for costs as low as $0 (depending on usage) with the commoditization of virtual compute resources.



JasonOD

@comcast.net JasonOD Anon All part of the plan...... By studio's/content owners to reign netflix in after letting them slip by for a while with completely unfair pricing. Now that content owners have raised prices and cut content, netflix is being forced to balance their business to where it meets the needs fairly of everyone involved.



Simultaneous streams should have never been allowed in the first place. By allowing it up until now, neflix has created a base of users who now feel entitled to it.



Mr Anon

@sbcglobal.net Mr Anon Anon I was confused by this... I didn't quite get what was being said because it has always been this way. Multiple streams were tied to how many DVDs you had at a time.



I found this out directly by the company when they switched streaming technologies. I was playing games and letting a buddy use my account to watch movies, when we switched and he went to play something and I went to watch a movie on a different computer it told me I was watching some where else. He was watching on the old flash interface and stopped improperly and the new silverlight interface took over. In short we could not get back to stop the stream, so I called and they bumped me to 2discs at a time for 1 month and refunded me the difference, boom 2nd stream.



Now that they are separate features I'd expect this to be different.



TechyDad

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join:2001-07-13

USA 1 recommendation TechyDad Premium Member I was told this awhile back When the rate hike was first announced, I heard rumblings that the Streaming Only plan only included 1 stream at a time. I called Netflix to confirm and was told that it did. However, I was also told that you could get more streams by buying DVD plans. If you paid for the 2 DVD at a time plan, you got 2 streams. 3 DVDs = 3 streams. etc.



The problem with this is: 1) The DVD-Streaming split was supposedly to separate the two products. Why tie them back together like this? and 2) You're now "requiring" me to pay $12 extra a month for a 2 DVD plan when I might just want a second stream. Why not offer "stream upgrades" for something like $1 a month? e.g. You want to go Streaming Only ($7.99 per month) but with 3 additional streams so you pay $10.99 a month.



Of course, the answers to questions 1 and 2 are the same: Get More Money From Netflix Subscribers.



ArgMeMatey

join:2001-08-09

Milwaukee, WI ArgMeMatey Member Re: I was told this awhile back said by TechyDad: ...Why tie them back together like this? and 2) You're now "requiring" me to pay $12 extra a month for a 2 DVD plan when I might just want a second stream. Why not offer "stream upgrades" for something like $1 a month? e.g. You want to go Streaming Only ($7.99 per month) but with 3 additional streams so you pay $10.99 a month.



Of course, the answers to questions 1 and 2 are the same: Get More Money From Netflix Subscribers.





In other words, I can stand in their shoes and see that it's costing more money to stream to multiple simultaneous devices. Why can't they stand in my shoes for a moment? I agree. They need to come up with a multiple stream - no DVD plan. The current situation constitutes an unreasonable change, because perception is reality.In other words, I can stand in their shoes and see that it's costing more money to stream to multiple simultaneous devices. Why can't they stand in my shoes for a moment?



RockCake

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join:2005-07-12

Woodbridge, VA 1 recommendation RockCake Premium Member What a Crock If I can register up to 6 devices, let me stream up to 6 devices (provided I have the bandwidth to handle it).



ArrayList

DevOps

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join:2005-03-19

Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member bye bye netflix. never saw the point of a subscription service anyways. would rather buy second hand or pirate.

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Ah all the welfare people getting mad because they can get everything for next to nothing. Grow up.



R4M0N

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join:2000-10-04

Glen Allen, VA 1 recommendation R4M0N Member Re: Ah all the welfare people said by 88615298: getting mad because they can get everything for next to nothing. Grow up.





Go read up on welfare before you hit the "Im feeling lucky" button. Ah, the blissful ignorant... Comparing welfare to free market. Do you see anyone here not paying for their Netflix service or calling for Netflix to hike the prices on the rich while forcing them to remain customers by way of legislation?Go read up on welfare before you hit the "Im feeling lucky" button.

hottboiinnc4

ME

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Cleveland, OH 1 recommendation hottboiinnc4 Member Re: Ah all the welfare people especially since BF69 always claims that he deserves better and faster HSI and more companies to choose from.



R4M0N

Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo

join:2000-10-04

Glen Allen, VA 1 recommendation R4M0N Member Can anyone confirm... Can anyone confirm that Netflix has indeed made a sizable investment on that Dish/Blockbuster service?



I mean, it seems like they are doing everything in their power to make sure the new service gets as many customers as possible as soon as possible.



Now that they have forced my hand into a streaming-only account, they want to tell me I have to watch the same crap my wife wants to watch?



That's just cruel and unusual punishment.

gaforces (banned)

United We Stand, Divided We Fall

join:2002-04-07

Santa Cruz, CA 1 recommendation gaforces (banned) Member Re: Can anyone confirm... Yep, was happy that I could watch a show while the kids were watching in a different room. More lost value ...



Guess I wont be going back to netflix anytime soon.

tcope

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join:2003-05-07

Sandy, UT 1 recommendation tcope Premium Member Slogan Netflix... we are just like your cable provider.



dot_null

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join:2004-06-28

Kennesaw, GA 1 recommendation dot_null Premium Member The stream limitations are in place, but only to a degree... I am on the "Unlimited Streaming + 1 DVD out at-a-time (Unlimited)" plan right now. Later this month I will be downgrading to streaming only (or possibly canceling at this rate).



Anyway, I just tried streaming to multiple devices; among them are two TiVo HDs, a Sony Blu-ray player, Sony HDTV and a Samsung HDTV. I will spare you the minutiae of the different combinations tried and get to the details: I can currently have two streams going without getting the intercept message described in the article. When I try for a third, however, the message pops up.



I am not sure if I am allowed two streams due to Netflix's impending separation of the DVD and Streaming services, and maybe since I am on a "combo" plan I get two streams. I have no idea. But as of 10:30 AM EDT on Wednesday, September 7, 2011 I am getting two streams on the aforementioned plan. FWIW/YMMV

neftv

join:2000-10-01

Broomall, PA neftv Member Turning greedy Let the greediness begin instead of promoting the new technology of streaming to settop boxes. Netflix will follow the foot steps of cable and so forth. I guess many people will just way till the movies play on network tv.

Maybe Dish Network's online Blockbuster will light up competition and the fire for this new steaming to home medium. Time will tell.

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06 1 recommendation Wilsdom Member Re: Turning greedy The content producers are also demanding more money. It wouldn't surprise me if they started negotiations with Netflix asking for something ridiculous like $10 per view.

neftv

join:2000-10-01

Broomall, PA neftv Member Re: Turning greedy Well if that happens that tells me that the content producers really don't want people to watch their content. Typical Corp. USA.

bugabuga

join:2004-06-10

Austin, TX bugabuga Member So their own FAQ is BS?

»www.netflix.com/FAQ?p_faqid=2902

it says "some" plans allow multiple streams. And, oh, wait, here's a little tidbit about one-device-at-a-time too:

If you are on the Unlimited Streaming plan, the Unlimited Streaming + 1 DVD out-at-a-time plan or a limited streaming plan, you may watch only one device at a time.



So, which one is a lie then? Because if you look here:it says "some" plans allow multiple streams. And, oh, wait, here's a little tidbit about one-device-at-a-time too:So, which one is a lie then?



ArgMeMatey

join:2001-08-09

Milwaukee, WI ArgMeMatey Member Thanks for the update If this two-stream thing is fact, can somebody point me to some documentation? The only thing I'd ever seen in writing was that the number of streams corresponded to the number of discs on my plan.