



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/532710-basetradetv-and-noregret-disagreement-escalates?page=11#216

Additionally, this post deserves to be publicly noticed. Starting from Page 11 and onward, if anyone talks about how Blizzard, TOs, and sponsors should no longer support BTTV and Rifkin, you will be temp banned. This adds NOTHING productive to the discussion and only makes the community look immature.Additionally, this post deserves to be publicly noticed.

Pascal1p Profile Joined June 2015 10 Posts #201 On April 08 2018 00:06 omgbadbeatzlol wrote:

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On April 07 2018 23:46 Pascal1p wrote:

The only wise decision is for IEM, ESL, Blizzard to not hire rifkin and zombiegrub anymore and don't let them stream their matches.

ZG is not officially affiliated with basetrade at this point. ZG is not officially affiliated with basetrade at this point.



So she has no shares (anymore) or any investment? Or any contract (that states she is a co-founder/owner)? So she has no shares (anymore) or any investment? Or any contract (that states she is a co-founder/owner)?

Gurbak Profile Joined January 2017 France 622 Posts #202 On April 08 2018 00:06 omgbadbeatzlol wrote:

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On April 07 2018 23:46 Pascal1p wrote:

The only wise decision is for IEM, ESL, Blizzard to not hire rifkin and zombiegrub anymore and don't let them stream their matches.

ZG is not officially affiliated with basetrade at this point. ZG is not officially affiliated with basetrade at this point.

and she is also a great caster and she is also a great caster

paralleluniverse Profile Joined July 2010 3954 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-07 15:32:46 #203 Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist. Twitter: @eigenscape. ""As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." -paralleluniverse" -ahswtini

Kafka777 Profile Joined December 2015 354 Posts #204 This is absurd. Im not too familiar with the situation but it appears BTTV invested 1500 $ in equipment for the team house. Its BTTV property - fine. But its not like they lent 1500 $ to NoRegret. This equipment after one year is worth 30-50% of the original value.

Now shipping costs + taxes and duties involved would most likely exceed the value of the items involved.

The only solution would be to have NoRegret sell these items in Korea and send back the money (300-500 $) - but clearly NoRegret is not obliged to spend his time on doing that. But given some good will - that would be the best solution.

Another solution would be for Rifkin to come to Korea and pack the items and send them back himself - which is also totally absurd. Taking a case of 1500$ to court? You must be joking - costs for both sides will exceed 1500$ and there will be two losers.

Talk to each other and be reasonable here.



Nakajin Profile Blog Joined September 2014 Canada 6579 Posts #205 On April 08 2018 00:32 paralleluniverse wrote:

Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist.



Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong. Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong. http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg

sc-darkness Profile Joined August 2017 856 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-07 16:58:57 #206 On April 08 2018 01:39 Nakajin wrote:

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On April 08 2018 00:32 paralleluniverse wrote:

Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist.



Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong. Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong.



Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. Watching someone's stream isn't much different from some retailer offering you goods. It's a service which you choose whether you want or not.



It's democratic to avoid someone's stream as long as it follows law and I'm pretty sure it's legal. That said, I'm not boycotting either side's stream at this point. Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. Watching someone's stream isn't much different from some retailer offering you goods. It's a service which you choose whether you want or not.It's democratic to avoid someone's stream as long as it follows law and I'm pretty sure it's legal. That said, I'm not boycotting either side's stream at this point.

Nakajin Profile Blog Joined September 2014 Canada 6579 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-07 17:14:08 #207 On April 08 2018 01:55 sc-darkness wrote:

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On April 08 2018 01:39 Nakajin wrote:

On April 08 2018 00:32 paralleluniverse wrote:

Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist.



Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong. Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong.



Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. It's democratic as long as it follows law. What I'm saying is it could be done naturally, without harming anyone and breaking laws. That said, I'm not joining any campaign to boycott either side at this point. Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. It's democratic as long as it follows law. What I'm saying is it could be done naturally, without harming anyone and breaking laws. That said, I'm not joining any campaign to boycott either side at this point.



Well the thing is it's not Apple destroing Nokia, it's putting fire to the the phone factory, there isn't anything to replace BTTV right now if it goes out a good part of the viewers are leaving with it.

Obviously if no one whatch it, it will close but I can't see what organisation could replace it, as far as I know it's the only non-WCS full time stream, at least in english, that's why this issue should be solve in an orderly manner and not try to quick BTTV out of the SC2 scene. (NVM I just remember Wardi, still it's the biggest stream) Well the thing is it's not Apple destroing Nokia, it's putting fire to the the phone factory, there isn't anything to replace BTTV right now if it goes out a good part of the viewers are leaving with it.Obviously if no one whatch it, it will close but I can't see what organisation could replace it, as far as I know it's the only non-WCS full time stream, at least in english, that's why this issue should be solve in an orderly manner and not try to quick BTTV out of the SC2 scene. (NVM I just remember Wardi, still it's the biggest stream) http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg

nanaoei Profile Blog Joined May 2010 1708 Posts #208 you can't be serious about shunning content that people have been supporting for years and years.

this isn't stuff that panders to a certain type of viewer, like with protech or avilo, this is content that is made to be viewed by the general public. this is extra practice for some of the pro gamers. extra connections, extra viewers for the game in general, and filler content, etc.



why don't you have some faith in the person to resolve the conflict? this is his money, and he's trying to collect on something.

whether it was his error or someone else's it will most likely end in a small money exchange so they can cut ties comfortable and agree to never work with one another again, at least directly.



rifkin has a weird business where he doesn't want to be part of the main audience, but it is much needed content nonetheless.

you don't just discount him because he butts heads and may or may not be correct on the matter. *@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"

GothGirlGames Profile Joined September 2017 166 Posts #209 So sorry for the players.



Hope "BTTV" lose this and that nobody wants to do contracts with Rifkin ever again.



BisuDagger Profile Blog Joined October 2009 Bisutopia 17617 Posts #210 On April 07 2018 19:25 DSK wrote:

This is getting silly, and I've had enough. It only makes the foreign community look bad. Rifkin, PM me your paypal and I by proxy will pay the $1,500.

Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved. Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved. Moderator Ofiicial Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2

waiting2Bbanned Profile Joined November 2015 United States 154 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-07 22:53:10 #211 On April 07 2018 23:46 Pascal1p wrote:

The only wise decision is for IEM, ESL, Blizzard to not hire rifkin and zombiegrub anymore and don't let them stream their matches.

You would not want to be associated with such people, not only are they imo bad casters, but this is not the first negative promotion for them.



They hurting the scene so much with this and I admire Scarlett and she seems to back noRegret in this. If there was something shady, she would be the first to correct noRegret and put him in his place.





So what you're saying is just because you like Scarlett and hate Rifkin, you agree with NoRegret? And the SC2 community & players should lose access to the biggest source of SC2 content outside of Blizzard because of that? So what you're saying is just because you like Scarlett and hate Rifkin, you agree with NoRegret? And the SC2 community & players should lose access to the biggest source of SC2 content outside of Blizzard because of that? "If you are going to break the law, do it with two thousand people.. and Mozart." - Howard Zinn

207aicila Profile Joined January 2015 1236 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-07 23:09:19 #212 On April 08 2018 00:32 paralleluniverse wrote:

Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist.



This is never going to happen. As much as Rifkin is a very hate-worthy person, he has done at least some good things for this scene, for the viewers and for the players.



There are people who have done far less and been nothing but insolent parasites and crybabies all the while, who continue to be featured on the TL stream sidebar lmao. If scum like that is still allowed, why shouldn't someone who has put money and time into the competitive scene? This is never going to happen. As much as Rifkin is a very hate-worthy person, he has done at least some good things for this scene, for the viewers and for the players.There are people who have done far less and been nothing but insolent parasites and crybabies all the while, who continue to be featured on the TL stream sidebar lmao. If scum like that is still allowed, why shouldn't someone who has put money and time into the competitive scene? mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''

PharaphobiaSC Profile Joined April 2016 Czech Republic 457 Posts #213 On April 08 2018 02:04 Nakajin wrote:

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On April 08 2018 01:55 sc-darkness wrote:

On April 08 2018 01:39 Nakajin wrote:

On April 08 2018 00:32 paralleluniverse wrote:

Where's the contract stating that NoRegret needs to pay back the $1500 spent on equipment?



We should ex-communicate Rifkin, who has a long history of controversy and being a huge dick, from the SC2 community. Stop doing his tournaments. Stop dealing with him. Stop watching his shit. Pretend he doesn't exist.



Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong. Ya lets kill the biggest non blizzard regular source of income for the players, what can go wrong.



Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. It's democratic as long as it follows law. What I'm saying is it could be done naturally, without harming anyone and breaking laws. That said, I'm not joining any campaign to boycott either side at this point. Why not if the majority decide that? Same deal as when Nokia was destroyed by Apple, Samsung, etc. If enough people don't like something for whatever reason, then they don't use it/buy it. It's democratic as long as it follows law. What I'm saying is it could be done naturally, without harming anyone and breaking laws. That said, I'm not joining any campaign to boycott either side at this point.



Well the thing is it's not Apple destroing Nokia, it's putting fire to the the phone factory, there isn't anything to replace BTTV right now if it goes out a good part of the viewers are leaving with it.

Obviously if no one whatch it, it will close but I can't see what organisation could replace it, as far as I know it's the only non-WCS full time stream, at least in english, that's why this issue should be solve in an orderly manner and not try to quick BTTV out of the SC2 scene. (NVM I just remember Wardi, still it's the biggest stream) Well the thing is it's not Apple destroing Nokia, it's putting fire to the the phone factory, there isn't anything to replace BTTV right now if it goes out a good part of the viewers are leaving with it.Obviously if no one whatch it, it will close but I can't see what organisation could replace it, as far as I know it's the only non-WCS full time stream, at least in english, that's why this issue should be solve in an orderly manner and not try to quick BTTV out of the SC2 scene. (NVM I just remember Wardi, still it's the biggest stream)



What? I don't even need to think and I already have like 5 ppl in my mind wich would replay that (not worth the ban word, but trust me its bad) guy...



And I mean yes, he might talk to some sponsors by having some decent numbers for sc2, but for havens sake how can you be SO BAD at casting after casting that many tournaments, matches, showmatches or whoever... that clearly shows that he is doing it for money and nothing else...



You could get random sc2 guy... let him play the game and also cast and he will do better job than rifkin will ever do... What? I don't even need to think and I already have like 5 ppl in my mind wich would replay that (not worth the ban word, but trust me its bad) guy...And I mean yes, he might talk to some sponsors by having some decent numbers for sc2, but for havens sake how can you be SO BAD at casting after casting that many tournaments, matches, showmatches or whoever... that clearly shows that he is doing it for money and nothing else...You could get random sc2 guy... let him play the game and also cast and he will do better job than rifkin will ever do... twitch.tv/pharaphobia

dinwitt Profile Joined April 2010 United States 3 Posts #214 On April 07 2018 19:43 Musicus wrote:

Man, I didn't anticipate such a shit show.



I was hoping Rif would just take back the Unity Tax and stop punishing uninvolved players after some public pressure and then continue to solve the money issue with NoRegreT in private.

Better to try and apply some peer pressure instead of turning it into a full blown legal drama. The problem is you severely overestimated how much influence reddit has over someone that is constantly insulted by them.



Better to try and apply some peer pressure instead of turning it into a full blown legal drama. The problem is you severely overestimated how much influence reddit has over someone that is constantly insulted by them. On April 08 2018 00:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

so the matcherino keeps appearing over and over and shady moves.did basetradetv take the 12k ?

This was actually shown on stream the other day. The 12k was put into the BaseTradeTV Star League:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/247447517?t=01h34m28s This was actually shown on stream the other day. The 12k was put into the BaseTradeTV Star League:

mierin Profile Joined August 2010 United States 4711 Posts #215 This dispute notwithstanding...I really want to hear the full story on the cancelled matcherino thing. JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!

DSK Profile Blog Joined February 2015 England 1067 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-08 00:29:59 #216 On April 08 2018 03:27 BisuDagger wrote:

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On April 07 2018 19:25 DSK wrote:

This is getting silly, and I've had enough. It only makes the foreign community look bad. Rifkin, PM me your paypal and I by proxy will pay the $1,500.

Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved. Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved.



This issue should now be resolved.



As I have stated, I have paid the amount of $1500 on behalf of NoRegreT and have spoke to BTTV about this.



I had the following stipulations which have been agreed on principle:



1). Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and other players in the foreigner house are removed from the in-place 10% tax for Base Trade TV tournaments as the arrears are paid off.



2). Further soliciting of the above (Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and foreign house players) for the amount of $1500 is ceased as I will have paid the amount in full, to the BTTV PayPal account by proxy.



3). With BTTVs permission, I have posted this evidence to the community (via TeamLiquid.net) that the payment has been made, bearing data protection in mind and without posting any private and confidential information on their end. I have also asked that my private and confidential information is also not released.



Lastly, BTTV has stated that the money will be put into the BSTL prizepool.

Let us consider that this issue has now been resolved and move on. BTTV can confirm the payment has been made themselves. If there are any issues, please make me aware in PM.



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This issue should now be resolved.As I have stated, I have paid the amount of $1500 on behalf of NoRegreT and have spoke to BTTV about this.I had the following stipulations which have been agreed on principle:1). Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and other players in the foreigner house are removed from the in-place 10% tax for Base Trade TV tournaments as the arrears are paid off.2). Further soliciting of the above (Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and foreign house players) for the amount of $1500 is ceased as I will have paid the amount in full, to the BTTV PayPal account by proxy.3). With BTTVs permission, I have posted this evidence to the community (via TeamLiquid.net) that the payment has been made, bearing data protection in mind and without posting any private and confidential information on their end. I have also asked that my private and confidential information is also not released.Lastly, BTTV has stated that the money will be put into the BSTL prizepool.Let us consider that this issue has now been resolved and move on. BTTV can confirm the payment has been made themselves. If there are any issues, please make me aware in PM. **@ YT: SC2POVs at https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2POVsTV | SC2 First-person POV archive of 7,500+ VODs @**

blade55555 Profile Blog Joined March 2009 United States 17373 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-08 00:32:54 #217 Wow DSK that is awesome. I'm sure the players are glad and Rifkin. You shouldn't have had to do this, but good on you for doing it anyway.



Hopefully this drama can go away now. When I think of something else, something will go here

Phredxor Profile Joined May 2013 New Zealand 15049 Posts #218 Wow well done. Props to you.



I am also owed $1500 by NoRegret. Pls help.

zelderan Profile Joined May 2013 United States 158 Posts #219 Damn DSK, good on you man. Glad to see this resolved. "Pumpkin mut-muts!" ~ Tasteless

BasetradeTV Profile Blog Joined October 2012 Canada 1301 Posts Last Edited: 2018-04-08 04:17:47 #220



On April 08 2018 09:24 DSK wrote:

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On April 08 2018 03:27 BisuDagger wrote:

On April 07 2018 19:25 DSK wrote:

This is getting silly, and I've had enough. It only makes the foreign community look bad. Rifkin, PM me your paypal and I by proxy will pay the $1,500.

Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved. Looks like this is resolved. Thanks DSK. Seriously best wishes to all involved.



This issue should now be resolved.



As I have stated, I have paid the amount of $1500 on behalf of NoRegreT and have spoke to BTTV about this.



I had the following stipulations which have been agreed on principle:



1). Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and other players in the foreigner house are removed from the in-place 10% tax for Base Trade TV tournaments as the arrears are paid off.



2). Further soliciting of the above (Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and foreign house players) for the amount of $1500 is ceased as I will have paid the amount in full, to the BTTV PayPal account by proxy.



3). With BTTVs permission, I have posted this evidence to the community (via TeamLiquid.net) that the payment has been made, bearing data protection in mind and without posting any private and confidential information on their end. I have also asked that my private and confidential information is also not released.



Lastly, BTTV has stated that the money will be put into the BSTL prizepool.

Let us consider that this issue has now been resolved and move on. BTTV can confirm the payment has been made themselves. If there are any issues, please make me aware in PM.



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This issue should now be resolved.As I have stated, I have paid the amount of $1500 on behalf of NoRegreT and have spoke to BTTV about this.I had the following stipulations which have been agreed on principle:1). Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and other players in the foreigner house are removed from the in-place 10% tax for Base Trade TV tournaments as the arrears are paid off.2). Further soliciting of the above (Jake Umpleby/NoRegreT and foreign house players) for the amount of $1500 is ceased as I will have paid the amount in full, to the BTTV PayPal account by proxy.3). With BTTVs permission, I have posted this evidence to the community (via TeamLiquid.net) that the payment has been made, bearing data protection in mind and without posting any private and confidential information on their end. I have also asked that my private and confidential information is also not released.Lastly, BTTV has stated that the money will be put into the BSTL prizepool.Let us consider that this issue has now been resolved and move on. BTTV can confirm the payment has been made themselves. If there are any issues, please make me aware in PM.



Confirming what DSK has said, and my agreement to the terms. Our rules have been modified to remove any mention of project unity or the tax, and at present no player (with the exception of anyone that gains strikes) will have any prize pool reduction in any form.



Following is this pledge, to hold me accountable for, that before May 18th, 2018 I will be depositing the money into the current BTSL Season 1 matcherino, the reasoning for it to not be deposited immediately is to not mess with the current goals & rewards we've been working towards as a community. This money will not be going to my pocket, but towards tournament & players as it was originally intended.



Thank you for helping conclude this ugly chapter. Edit:Confirming what DSK has said, and my agreement to the terms. Our rules have been modified to remove any mention of project unity or the tax, and at present no player (with the exception of anyone that gains strikes) will have any prize pool reduction in any form.Following is this pledge, to hold me accountable for, that before May 18th, 2018 I will be depositing the money into the current BTSL Season 1 matcherino, the reasoning for it to not be deposited immediately is to not mess with the current goals & rewards we've been working towards as a community. This money will not be going to my pocket, but towards tournament & players as it was originally intended.Thank you for helping conclude this ugly chapter. Commentator

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