TaKeTV Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Germany 916 Posts #1 „E-sports is dead. And we have killed it.“ - Some guy called Friedrich





- Some guy called Friedrich The e-sports manifesto - Our vision of e-sports beyond the 'industry'



What is this sorcery? Another blog by TaKe!? Masaka! (TL note: „Masaka“ means „Well I never“)



Well, since our beloved leader is currently busy working close to total exhaustion, in order to give you the best possible entertainment (



So... what is the purpose of this entry?



We see ourselves, the project, TaKeTV, as something unique. As something, that withstands the ever-growing pressure of the so-called e-sports „industry“. What we represent is a homely idea of e-sports. And even though it's growing constantly, we think e-sports should never lose its soul. It should never move away from the base of the community, you, all of you. And it should never deteriorate to become this picture, this scenario, that so many people are now trying to force into our throats: e-sports as an industry, with players and casters as mere machines, doing their „job“.



No, we refuse to let this idea of e-sports take over. TaKeTV is and always was about this comfy feeling you get, when you see people do what they love to do most, without any pressure, without forcing themselves to be something they are not.



Our casters don't wear expensive suits nor ties. Our studio is nothing but a big apartment, packed with equipment stuffed in closets and cupboards, with the bedroom serving as the master control room.



We try to preserve that homely feeling. We try that to be a counterpoint. We support the growth and flourishing of e-sports, but not for any price. No, it doesn't have to be like this.



And so, because it is our deepest desire, this right now will officially be declared to be the first entry of a weekly new format. A commentary about e-sports. A handle for all of you, who fear to be sucked into the gloomy vortex of the „industry“. We will be there for you and we hope you support our idea.



This prologue may now end, but promised: It won't be the last you'll see!





Cheers,

Lotsa_Spaghetti, editor of TaKeTV



What is this sorcery? Another blog by TaKe!? Masaka! (TL note: „Masaka“ means „Well I never“)Well, since our beloved leader is currently busy working close to total exhaustion, in order to give you the best possible entertainment ( HSC V is drawing near! ), the rest of the crew also tries their best to stay involved and support the project in every way conceivable.So... what is the purpose of this entry?We see ourselves, the project, TaKeTV, as something unique. As something, that withstands the ever-growing pressure of the so-called e-sports „industry“. What we represent is a homely idea of e-sports. And even though it's growing constantly, we think e-sports should never lose its soul. It should never move away from the base of the community, you, all of you. And it should never deteriorate to become this picture, this scenario, that so many people are now trying to force into our throats: e-sports as an industry, with players and casters as mere machines, doing their „job“.No, we refuse to let this idea of e-sports take over. TaKeTV is and always was about this comfy feeling you get, when you see people do what they love to do most, without any pressure, without forcing themselves to be something they are not.Our casters don't wear expensive suits nor ties. Our studio is nothing but a big apartment, packed with equipment stuffed in closets and cupboards, with the bedroom serving as the master control room.We try to preserve that homely feeling. We try that to be a counterpoint. We support the growth and flourishing of e-sports, but not for any price. No, it doesn't have to be like this.And so, because it is our deepest desire, this right now will officially be declared to be the first entry of a weekly new format. A commentary about e-sports. A handle for all of you, who fear to be sucked into the gloomy vortex of the „industry“. We will be there for you and we hope you support our idea.This prologue may now end, but promised: It won't be the last you'll see!Cheers,Lotsa_Spaghetti, editor of TaKeTV Commentator

Synwave Profile Joined July 2009 United States 2738 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-01 15:20:15 #2 Interesting...and intriguing



EDIT: added in intriguing per request ♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞

fusefuse Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Estonia 4430 Posts #3 On June 01 2012 23:57 Synwave wrote:

Interesting...



second that

and add in 'intriguing'



Curious to see where this goes

Until then, glhf with organizing HSC V (: second thatand add in 'intriguing'Curious to see where this goesUntil then, glhf with organizing HSC V (: Liquipedia @jkursk

KoBlades Profile Joined April 2011 Austria 248 Posts #4 On June 01 2012 23:44 TaKeTV wrote:

Our casters don't wear expensive suits nor ties.





Interesting on the whole, this part is especially important to me, I really don't understand why every caster thinks he has to wear a tie and suit nowadays. Once Esports is on TV, they might wanna consider wearing suits, but right now this is just way over the top, I agree with the style the Korean GSL casters wear, which is only a tie with a shirt but no suit AFAIK. Interesting on the whole, this part is especially important to me, I really don't understand why every caster thinks he has to wear a tie and suit nowadays. Once Esports is on TV, they might wanna consider wearing suits, but right now this is just way over the top, I agree with the style the Korean GSL casters wear, which is only a tie with a shirt but no suit AFAIK. "What do you know about fear?" -"Everything."

Baum Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Germany 1010 Posts #5 I was thinking about writing something like this and refer to HSC as an prime expample of how I want esports to be like. I hate when people compare e-sports to traditional sports and make statements about the lack of professionalism and so on. E-sports should never lose its soul and TakeTV got this perfectly right. In the end we are a bunch of nerds caring for the game and we should never lose track of that idea. I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.

Talin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Montenegro 9071 Posts #6 So few posts on TL make me genuinely happy these days, and this is definitely one of them. Glad to see that someone's heart is in the right place at least.

StarStruck Profile Joined April 2010 24097 Posts #7 Why don't we just call it Starcraft 2?



The simple solution: narrow it down. Everyone including the guy up above has a different notion of what eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-sports means to them. There is no consensus and that is why we should avoid broad words at every turn. Make it your own.

AsymptoticClimax Profile Joined May 2012 United Kingdom 246 Posts #8 haha I see what you guys are doing..turning this low budget home feeling tournament into 'something different and esports roots etc etc' I see this rather more a convenience than anything else but still though TakeTV remains one of the few tournaments that I still really enjoy. too many tournaments these days will replicate what MLG/IPL and I must give credit where credit is due by sticking to their guns and staying true to their fans.



So glad to see another HSC coming up, i shall definetly tune in for that! i wish my motherboard would find a fatherboard so i could have anotherboard

BeWat3r Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Germany 179 Posts #9 all hail to TaKeTV :-) Writer and moderator for TaKeTV.net

Dodgin Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 38851 Posts #10 HSC is still the best tournament outside of the GSL in sc2, imo. Keep doing what you guys are doing and you will continue to be one of the most watched and anticipated tournaments. Don't change a thing.

Jinsho Profile Joined March 2011 United Kingdom 3057 Posts #11 You watched too much anime.

looknohands119 Profile Joined March 2010 United States 814 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-01 17:39:05 #12 This is a wonderful you guys. As many people need to hear this as possible. If there's anything I've learned throughout my travels its that the primary purpose of the internet is not to distribute paid professional content but to forge connections between people. We as an industry and as a community have a unique opportunity to create a new type of business model that recognizes this important idea. The day that E-sports is no longer open to all competitors or that players, personalities, and free streams are no longer readily accessible to the public is the day we have failed as an industry. We will have not only failed to differentiate ourselves from the other professional sports that are currently in existence and the way that they do business but we will have lost everything that makes us unique and valuable as a community. "The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)

Chargelot Profile Blog Joined December 2010 2274 Posts #13 Call it a preamble, it makes it sound more official. if (post == "stupid") { document.getElementById('post').style.display = 'none'; }

iNcontroL Profile Blog Joined July 2004 USA 29048 Posts #14 I don't know about fighting the spirit of esports but I do think that different groups offering different angles, projects, ideas etc.. is a really good thing for everyone and if that is true then TakeTV is a hugely important part of the gaming world we live in

espMisio Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Poland 143 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-02 13:50:25 #15 As long as you're streaming in German or write news in German people won't care since most of us can't speak your language.

Canucklehead Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 4922 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-01 19:03:06 #16 I think he's just using the home story feel due to budget constraints and masking it as not selling out to the man. They're good for one off events, but too much will be overkill. It feels like a basement lan and the only reason I watched the last home story cup was due to mc/mkp. Otherwise, it's a tournament I can easily pass on.



If you really want to go grassroots, then you should just refuse all sponsors and put up like a $100 prizepool and then see how many players show up. It just irks me when people spout anti esports stuff and talk about staying true to their roots, while at the same time accepting sponsors to provide the laptops the players play on and money for the prizepool. Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock

Talin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Montenegro 9071 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-01 19:22:03 #17 On June 02 2012 03:57 Canucklehead wrote:

If you really want to go grassroots, then you should just refuse all sponsors and put up like a $100 prizepool and then see how many players show up. It just irks me when people spout anti esports stuff and talk about staying true to their roots, while at the same time accepting sponsors to provide the laptops the players play on and money for the prizepool.



If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.



It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is. If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is.

Canucklehead Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 4922 Posts #18 On June 02 2012 04:21 Talin wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 02 2012 03:57 Canucklehead wrote:

If you really want to go grassroots, then you should just refuse all sponsors and put up like a $100 prizepool and then see how many players show up. It just irks me when people spout anti esports stuff and talk about staying true to their roots, while at the same time accepting sponsors to provide the laptops the players play on and money for the prizepool.



If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.



It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is. If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is.



That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price.



I'm just tired of all the anti esports stuff and people wanting it to remain niche and underground. A scene like that can't support pros and heck pros are barely supported by the scene now. That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price.I'm just tired of all the anti esports stuff and people wanting it to remain niche and underground. A scene like that can't support pros and heck pros are barely supported by the scene now. Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock

Synwave Profile Joined July 2009 United States 2738 Posts #19 On June 02 2012 04:29 Canucklehead wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 02 2012 04:21 Talin wrote:

On June 02 2012 03:57 Canucklehead wrote:

If you really want to go grassroots, then you should just refuse all sponsors and put up like a $100 prizepool and then see how many players show up. It just irks me when people spout anti esports stuff and talk about staying true to their roots, while at the same time accepting sponsors to provide the laptops the players play on and money for the prizepool.



If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.



It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is. If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is.



That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price.



I'm just tired of all the anti esports stuff and people wanting it to remain niche and underground. A scene like that can't support pros and heck pros are barely supported by the scene now. That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price.I'm just tired of all the anti esports stuff and people wanting it to remain niche and underground. A scene like that can't support pros and heck pros are barely supported by the scene now.



You keep using this word. I dont think it means what you think it means.

Then again I use it as a completely silly word with no meaning whatsoever so there is that.



'MERICAN ESPORTS 4EVA!! You keep using this word. I dont think it means what you think it means.Then again I use it as a completely silly word with no meaning whatsoever so there is that.'MERICAN ESPORTS 4EVA!! ♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞

Talin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Montenegro 9071 Posts Last Edited: 2012-06-01 19:52:26 #20 On June 02 2012 04:29 Canucklehead wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 02 2012 04:21 Talin wrote:

On June 02 2012 03:57 Canucklehead wrote:

If you really want to go grassroots, then you should just refuse all sponsors and put up like a $100 prizepool and then see how many players show up. It just irks me when people spout anti esports stuff and talk about staying true to their roots, while at the same time accepting sponsors to provide the laptops the players play on and money for the prizepool.



If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.



It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is. If the sponsors agree to support the event the way it is, then refusing the sponsorship is nonsensical and doesn't prove their point any more than taking the sponsorship does.It's a win-win situation for them - they get to run events in a casual/friendly gaming atmosphere the way they want to, and there are sponsors who want to pay for it as it is.



That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price. That's my point. To accept sponsors, already makes it "esports." To state otherwise, is just marketing. He's marketing it as the feeling you get when you and your buddies used to hold lan parties back in the day. The window dressing presents it as such, but underneath that coating is esports, supported by esports dollars. It's fine to run the event like that, but then don't try to pretend that this isn't esports and you'll never sell out to the man for any price.



How are they pretending that it isn't "esports"? The title itself very much points to the contrary.



How are they pretending that it isn't "esports"? The title itself very much points to the contrary. On June 02 2012 04:29 Canucklehead wrote:

I'm just tired of all the anti esports stuff and people wanting it to remain niche and underground. A scene like that can't support pros and heck pros are barely supported by the scene now.



Being one of those people, I'll explain why that argument doesn't quite work.



While I am glad that players can be paid for playing the game in the current scene, if the scene ignores or loses the things that I value the most, then I no longer have any reason left to care about it. By extension, I no longer have a reason to care whether people are making money off of it or not.



I don't necessarily want it to remain niche and underground, however I don't want it to turn into stereotypical American TV either (and it is very much on the way there). If there's no reasonable middle ground - and I still believe there is - then I'm perfectly fine with there being no full-time progamers and only having community-ran events.



At the end of the day, what I want out of my hobby is, for me, a much higher priority than somebody else's career. Being one of those people, I'll explain why that argument doesn't quite work.While I am glad that players can be paid for playing the game in the current scene, if the scene ignores or loses the things that I value the most, then I no longer have any reason left to care about it. By extension, I no longer have a reason to care whether people are making money off of it or not.I don't necessarily want it to remain niche and underground, however I don't want it to turn into stereotypical American TV either (and it is very much on the way there). If there's no reasonable middle ground - and I still believe there is - then I'm perfectly fine with there being no full-time progamers and only having community-ran events.At the end of the day, what I want out of my hobby is, for me, a much higher priority than somebody else's career.

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