We had a round table meeting this morning in the SUSE offices inNuremberg. The intention of the meeting was to try and get some formof milestones agreed, and work out our next moves and find out whattasks etc need to be done. Several decisions were made:1.) ARMv7 is the focus. This isn't necessarily news, but we justwanted to reiterate the message. Also the ARMv5 builds are going tohave their priorities in the OBS lowered to minimise the build powerconsumption. We're not deleting them, just not focusing on them; ifsomeone *really* wants v5 builds then best you roll your sleeves upand get stuck in, we will provide support, guidance andencouragement.2.) We are aiming for 12.2 to have full ARM support. So this means weneed to freeze in time for 12.2 RC1, so we can not have any buildfailures. If there are we need to fix them, but some applications areknown not to run on ARM, where these are identified we will just use"ExcludeArch: %arm". This needs to be done by 01June2012 at thelatest.3.) To ensure we can make the deadline we need to make sure that allsources are submitted into Factory via the respective devel projects.This means that we have no source overlays in the openSUSE:Factory:ARMrepo. Also that all hacks and "fixes" are discussed with maintainersand either incorporated or better fixes are submitted. We will *NOT*have separate sources or patches for the ARM port, everything willhave to be in Factory.4.) We need to have a reference platform that *ALL* developers can useto verify 12.2 will work, this will be the Pandaboard. This does notmean we will not be supporting other devices, like Snowball,Beagleboard or Origen; they will be available but they may not havegone through the same rigorous tests. We will also look at having XFCEas the reference platform Desktop Environment. Now before anyonestarts calling for blood, there were some reasons for referneceplatform decision:a.) There are sufficient numbers of Pandaboards for developers to useb.) Pandaboard has the best upstream support out of all the devicesc.) We already have Kiwi based images for itd.) XFCE is the only DE that builds almost completely and runs at themomente.) 2D graphics work out of the box on the Pandaboard5.) openSUSE's ARM port has gone on a diet. The Geeko is now FATless,this means we no longer have a separate FAT partition for the bootfile system. All partitions are now ext3 by default, BTRFS issupported but isn't our default.6.) The Kiwi generated images will use the OEM format rather than theLive Install format. Basically this means that a user will "dd" theimage to the target SD card and then the "second boot" process willkick in when a user boots from the card so that they can configurepasswords/network/etc and it will repartition to take up the whole ofthe card.7.) Bernhard is going to look at integrating ARM support intoOpenQA[0]. This means we can get advance notice of breakages etc.prior to releasing images.8.) We will be triggering a rebuild of the ARM repo to ensure thatbuilds take into account some of the big changes that have happened inFactory (like the Xorg changes), and also to clean out any "fixes"that were applied to the repo. This will most likely be initiated inbatches rather than the complete repo, hopefully we can avoid the repobeing out of commission for four weeks this way.Another outcome of the meeting was working out some tasks that neededto be completed. There aren't that many tasks and they are open to*EVERYONE* to help out with:I.) We need to keep a closer eye on the package failures. Using Dirk'sBuild Comparison page[1] will help to isolate failures due to qemu.All qemu bugs/issues need to be passed on to either Alexander Graf(agraf) or Andreas Farber (afarber) for fixing.II.) We need to look at YaST's second stage module and see if thatwill be of use to the ARM port.III.) We really need to re-work the wiki for the ARM port. It needs tobe much more detailed as it hasn't been updated in a while.So that gives us three months or 12 weeks to get our house in order.Regards,Andy0 = http://openqa.opensuse.org/ 1 = http://www.suse.de/~dmueller/arm-buildservice/ --Andrew WafaaIRC: FunkyPenguinGPG: 0x3A36312F--To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-arm+unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxTo contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-arm+owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx