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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. It is the daily Talk Show Episode 184.



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Happy Friday, my friends. Oh, there's a bit of a



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pep in your voice. This is a high energy. This is eve of our first New York show. Yep, we've got a whole weekend together before our actual show next week releases. But why 95 I won't be on the other side of the world for me, and I'll be sitting around next year.



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you're catching a flight and how long?



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I'll be at the airport at this time in 24 hours. So 24 hours away.



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I really thought Saturday morning that you that you're flying out



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yesterday morning to fly out? Is it I mean this thing where I I want to try and brainstorm with you today of ways that I can access the Qantas lounge because I don't have I don't have status. So but I really want to get into the fact status.



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That fact status if i have i've gone full circle on this Bry and I were in Irene, where were we in Croatia. And it turns out that we were on a Star Alliance flight. But for some random reason we couldn't get into the lounge. And I spent two hours we got there really early. And I spent that two hours trying to get in on the phone to Lufthansa. And just like I was wrote about like using Skype, spoke speaking to supervisors had one person one supervisor say to you, it turns out that like I was I asked someone at Lufthansa a few days before, because it was one of those code share flights. And I said well, I have access to the lounge. And they said yes, yeah. And then I get to the lounge. And they said are no you don't get don't get access. Sorry. Well, with your status



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they've read all these days, there's no there's no messing around. Like I remember years ago. So it's last flight I had to to New York. But to LA I was it was 2012. And I talked my way into the corner flash ever told you about how I got in.



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Now I can't remember I've done it a few times. I feel



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Yeah, well, this one, I thought I thought it was a great idea because they actually give out. Some of them the PR team. I don't know if they actually do this anymore. But they have like card passes. So you can actually have this physical card that you take out me but I'm going to access for you know, the lounge today. You know, it's just a promotional thing, or someone in Qantas gave me this card. And so what I did was my friend friend told me about these cars, and she showed me that she had one. And I was like fact, I'll go up and say that I've left my car at home. I was given it by the PR team. And I'm really sorry. But you know, the rush this morning. And so I did that. And I was so hung over just before the flight. I've been out the night before. And she said no worries, sweetheart. That's fine. She was an all older woman. And she comes right through and saw winning. It was just a lifesaver.



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But I but I thought my thing with quanta says you get this sort of the motherly people who can will let you in on you.



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I think if it's a young young person, I think the young generation just like that is this guy's a flog. Yeah. Or they were on to you sort of show you Do you recognise a role with that? Or? i?



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Yeah. So I like that idea. I think what you could even do is extend it further see what quantum is doing with corporate promotions at the moment. So say, for instance, you could say if they're if they're sponsoring any festivals, like if it was safe what was virgin? Yeah, I'd probably say that you that you have some sort of ties with the footy clubs like an AFL because they sponsor the the AFL. But I think you just find out Qantas sponsorships see what they're sort of sponsoring from a corporate level. Yeah, that it's pretty it's a lot of work



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mate it's not as much work as spending two and a half hours because I'll walk out try once in fact off go get a shitty at I from the



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thing is you'll get a get a shitty last day in the lounge Anyway, I'm just I might



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get a smoothie Josh, I might get one of the bananas movies that they walk around handing out



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the I think the Queensland she's a little bit better than virgin in a lot of ways. International. Yeah. That's now I'm over mobile and just care that much. Hey, we we we got a question on Reddit. Which you know, always promoting our Reddit subreddit reddit.com forward slash are the daily talk show but if you do listen maybe six shows back you won't hear us talk about it's been awake but it's actually it's and as Ross Katie's pointed out, it was very close to being Cora and just like I went from speaking about Cora to a very quick tangent to read it, but I'm happy to be here. But the one thing about before I've read this question the one thing with Reddit is people have really weed using it very hard to work out who's talking?



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Yeah, it's it's basically everyone who used to have a Hotmail account from window 13 has just taken that username and put it into their credit



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because it doing CD she's on there I think like leaking news or something because it's got that right it's got that background as well. I think it's good the vibes for sure. It's Yeah, it's not as filthy as something like 4chan I don't think but it's I think Reddit is sort of a high class version of 4chan maybe



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Yeah, it's it's very bare bones the interface like it. It's but like I said to people recently, you know, from like, any I'd been taken there because there's some link that I just clicked on. But I'd never been there because I sort of wanted to or needed to be where is like, is actually more enjoyable when you go there for a reason. And this is like the if you haven't cafe Yeah, you enjoy the experience but fuck Tell you what, I'll never go there if I hadn't been asked to go out and get my boss a coffee



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thing is you go there for the coffee and you never expect to get the orange popi say cake. You do it you enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, that's good when you get there Yeah, but so we've got inky Jew right explain will fourth. It is literally in every episode and I have no idea what a mess what the meaning is. I remember that you explained it. It's in some of the first episodes but I have no idea now. Yeah, he's from Slovakia from from from memory. Wolf wolf. So I'm gonna go really like bare bones at the start wolf wolf is me making the sound of a dog yet barking because like in different countries or languages people like the animals sound different.



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As in dogs, no, just different animals sound different.



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As in different people with in different languages. Like that sounds different. Like so. Ducks aren't necessarily quack quack. They might be aka



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aka, really? I didn't know that. Yes. Thanks for that. Oh, yeah.



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Like means like Ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff ruff, or the old wolf wolf. Or but you don't say bok bok? know, if people were to if you were to explain to people what will fulfil his How would you explain it to them in regards to the context in which were using it?



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They can't Well, I don't have the origins. Because that's over to you. But the context is when if I was saying something like my last night, I benched 100 kilos, five reps. And you'd say more forth. And that is because



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so it's it's a show of masculinity.



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Yeah, yeah. It's like I'm flexing masculinity in that moment. Yeah, it requires. Yeah, it's like a top dog. You know, the testosterone is running through my nuts. That's



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testosterone run through nuts is that outward was the way it's produced. testicles.



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It's amazing, isn't it?



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That's why your testicles get small when you take steroids? Because the testosterone because it doesn't need to work put in Yeah.



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I was I remember I heard someone the other day talk about



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balding. You know how like people who are bowling saying that they've got too much testosterone? I can't remember where it was that I heard this. But they'll having a go. Bald people just making up some bullshit reason that they're losing their hair.



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Well, anyway, from steroids,



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from from having know from people, basically, men who don't have hair, the razor bald is because I've got too much testosterone.



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You can go taking steroids. I think he's one of the side effects. But I don't know how true that is. That's a



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great reason why it's on the way I say well forth, is because I'm not necessarily I don't have super masculine qualities. Yeah, when I say Wolf, or forget a real big laugh.



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Is



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it the funny thing, it's like, it's almost using it in the times when you when it shouldn't be used is really funny, too. It's like the old your mom joke that you would have rolled out of school. And it's like citing the most random situation, or that, you know, the old one that probably isn't used anymore. That's what she said.



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And that's what she said, God, I mentioned it to our friend from overseas said that he'd still been using that's what she was actually a relative of mine from the Netherlands. He came over to our place in sort of 2010 or whatever, when that's what she says said was really, you know, shit hot, and everyone was saying it. And he still says it as a thing as if it's still okay. It's still a thing. Yeah.



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So that's,



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that's the origins. That's and where did you get it from? I just quickly. Well, I just made it up. I think it was just because I was wiping off you. It actually just sort of came out of me.



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Yeah, but do you think you heard it somewhere? Because I mean, it's, you always hear the storeys of people who say they made something up. Yeah.



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Yeah, my mates saying I'm a liar.



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Well, I'm not saying you're alive, but I'm saying that you may have heard it somewhere. You may have heard something. In fact, you just stored it and then he realised it out. And then say I'm in will climate will trade market will pay it and if we can somehow and we'll get a jumper with the written on it will forth.



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Talking about the patients. I also posted in our subreddit about the makers of Plato. Did you



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say this awful sheet that goes everywhere in in households?



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Do you have played it for Bodie yet?



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No, but it's I think it's a bit of a thing like my friend Charlotte she's like, get that sheet Don't you ever buy that sheet for me? Because it goes everywhere in the house there is like syphon plateaus that are like really easy to get out of things but some of them like melt into carpet and just absolute horrible but yeah, I used to play with Play Doh as a kid. And then kids are making it slime. I'm closer to having played on my house the new let's just say that much.



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Yeah, well the actually this is a sort of household I was in growing up my dad hated balloons if we went to a party and brought back balloons we could basically guarantee that he was going to have a meltdown he couldn't handle it. Why what is it the lighting the robot? Oh, yeah, now he couldn't handle the that just like the mucking around I guess three boys or killing him and stuff. Yes. couldn't handle it. Funny. I gave him the sheets But anyway, so Plato, the the makers of pop Plato, who are called Hasbro with the cool name I guess they've trademarked the smell. What?



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Yeah, Eddie trademark is smell and like I can walk I can picture the smell that I have played. Oh, so it is how would you



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describe the smell? And we'll see how it how in line it is with what's included in the trademark.



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All right, it's um



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you can say Play Doh II



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know Well, that would be the descriptive word beyond point. God there is like it's it's hard. It's so hard. This is a hard one to explain. I mean, I'd say this is definitely what they wouldn't say is it smells slightly chemically, but there's undertones of like Vikings my favourite segment



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with ever done on the daily talk show? What you think



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baking soda powder smell I couldn't even I don't know the descriptive words can you please read it out?



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So it's a sweet slightly musky vanilla like like fragrance with slight overtones of cherry and the natural smell of salted wheat based dough.



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All right, right. Back in the back to that g got ticket



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smell Yeah, that really like yeah, I mean I don't even know like how can they even enforce this



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that's that's ridiculous. And I don't think there would be like that one. Do you reckon there is a massive team meeting like guys let's flesh out this smell and and then we'll go and get that trademarked or patented?



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Well, they're probably thought about they've probably been under attack with things like what was the ship you're talking about? Just before? Like not Plato the stuff that sort of like Plato can gluey substance the slicing slime? There's Yeah, they've actually made or under under attack by slime. So they're probably like we need to we need to make sure that we have a foothold on this and so they're trying to trademark every bit of it. Yeah,



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that's that is ridiculous. There's some there's a product that's like sand but it's it sticks together and it's actually quite cool. There's I mean, the toys that are coming out now ridiculous. There's so many we've we've actually just done a massive cow on bodies toys, because the reality is, whatever you've got there is what to play with. And so if you just got less he doesn't know the difference yet. And so it's it's for a house out here. We don't need a bunch of shit now small two bedroom apartment. But yeah, yeah, that is that is bizarre.



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Yeah, I mean, I don't actually ever remember owning the real deal. I remember making it with the food colouring nature like that. But I don't actually remember ever owning the tops of real Play Doh.



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Yeah. Will you call it this? And this is this is the cut through that their their companies had it's it's the Kleenex of the tissue world. It's the Hoover Yeah. of the vacuum world Play Doh people refer to creating and that stuff, that mushy stuff? Let's make some played out well, not. Because you're not making a cherry scented with some undertones of bullshit coming through.



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Exactly. It's like even though when I'm searching on being, I still say I'm googling



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you actually say something.



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So,



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you know, being there being is still a thing. But the Bing is still a thing that will be the title of today's episode. But I actually saw I get like an industrial a rundown of different things like, you know, search marketing, and there was a whole thing on what being was doing at the moment. So it's still it's amazing to think that there's still people who would obviously us being



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Well, I mean, probably cost a lot of money to keep running. What's being worth that's my favourite go to what's being worth. What's your guess?



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A lot, a billion dollars. Yeah. I think probably say well, fourth bad example will fulfil should not have been used that. The only reason I used wolf in that context was I was thinking that I was just chucking it out there seemed like a blokey thing to do, which is just checking, checking out facts when you don't have any clue?



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Well, yes. What is it? What is it worth according to this site? How much? How much credibility This site has? Bingo com is worth three points. $2 billion.



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Holy shit,



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that sounds right. There's it? I mean, the thing is that it's, it's just like it's owned by Microsoft.



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Yeah. So I power set, the company who created being was bought by Microsoft for 100 million in 28 days. Sorry, 2008. But get this in 2011, Google paid mozilla. 1 billion to keep Google as the default search engine for Firefox for at least another year. That's crazy. Yeah.



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It's insane. All these numbers. But how about this? Facebook bought? Instagram? $4 billion to



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2 billion? I think



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it was, I think was a bill. You can double check. It was a good I think I heard I think I heard the other day that their revenue was over 4 billion a year that Instagram's bringing in. That turned out to be a bloody good investment for Facebook.



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Know, they bought WhatsApp for 19 billion. Yeah, it was crazy. The dude, the thing, the funny thing about the guy who created Instagram, he's got like, I thought he would have way more followers. I thought that do something to his algorithm get his numbers up.



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But for the dude who left you know that I did he Yeah. So the clock Mark put an algorithm to stop the father was from going up? No, also the there's a big gap. There's been a bunch of storeys, I haven't read into them too much. But essentially, it was sort of at the beginning when Facebook were buying all of these companies. Yeah, the idea that there was the companies would work independently with their founders, original founders to sort of work autonomously. And you know, integrate with Facebook, but it wasn't like Facebook was going to take over the whole thing. But there's been a massive shift. And the to Instagram found is have less left Facebook, apparently because of issues that they've had with Zuckerberg.



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Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of founders STAY ON IT companies because it's a part of their payout deal. For years. I mean, sure, they probably love the company. But you know, a lot of people do stay on to keep keep that money coming in. Kevin is the the dude man, he's born in 1983. So like, I've heard the storeys of that, of how they came up with that. And the company it was before and it's just so into started off as like a check in type of type of app. And then



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the other thing too, is to consider how far it's gone. Like if you as an experiment, go through to my instant, my personal Instagram, this is for the listeners, you don't have to do this, you could do it if you want to. And just scroll back to my first post, and you will just see how different Instagram was like every Instagram, one of the main features with Instagram was adding a border. Every photo had a border on it. Cheese he was and it was just like it was shot on. Because the phones cameras were so shit. They were sort of more filtered. They were like they weren't meant to look glossy. They were meant to look almost like a vintage shitty camera.



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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That was the filter. It was like put the crappy days or something. I don't even know if it was Yeah, it just throw a bunch of numbers in it.



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Yeah,



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I've just done it. And I've seen Bodie multiple times on your Instagram, my son and



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giving him a little love.



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Yeah. What I what I love thinking and I know, it's, it's probably silly, but I like thinking what I'm doing at the moment. And like, thinking about the storey that I'd tell if we just got Uber successful, like Facebook, Kevin, the daily talk show? Well, I think it's a good sort of filter around, it's probably you like them, like dreaming. It's a bit like thinking about what you spend your money on when you win. That's a lot of what your life would look like. But it's like, if you think in this moment and what we're doing and in grinding away.



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That storey that you tell down the track when I don't know what the success is, this is the thing right? so silly in your head. Because you know, I haven't actually thought about what that is. But you can get it is fun. It is that thinking it's the thinking that I mean, our numbers growing with bait like we're growing every month we get like about I worked it out, that's 1.7 new listeners every single episode. So with 280 episodes or, you know, 294 episodes that we've done, we get over, you know, 320 listeners per episode. And the thing is that that like if you go back to the beginning, when we first started our first 20 episodes, had at the beginning, think around like 20 downloads per written, we don't have a profile like this is the thing. We didn't have any profile. But there's



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always on the project last week changes I've made.



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But it's amazing, like



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Jim watts, who I love following and she does like, she's very sort of like, beauty focus night. So I think she started a podcast, and I'll link it up on Reddit. But she's like, smashing it already. The amount of people who are engaging like the podcasting is so good for people who have an existing audience. Yeah. And that's probably like, one of the interesting things with us is it's like, we have to play a bit of a different game, because it's just like, we literally were building on the podcast is our first thing, versus most people are bloggers or youtubers or Instagram is or, you know, entrepreneurs. And then they're doing a podcast. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the danger of that is the quality of podcast for anyone who just started the podcast is just that new to podcasting. And so there is that instant audience at a time when you haven't polished up your, your skills. And I'm not talking Yeah, there's definitely there's Yeah, there's definitely I've seen in the past. People underestimate like, Jim is a great example of someone who's like, she puts so much you can hear the effort that she put into hers, that there's examples where it's like, people have gone guns blazing with it, and really confident, but it's sort of it hasn't translated from the thing that they were doing before. But the good thing is that we have we know that we probably sounding shit now, but will sounding worse, like 100 episodes ago. My building slowly, were able to like get better with the audience which I think's exciting.



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Yeah. So many learnings like that, even though doing this across countries over Skype is, you know, build, I feel like we've got good after how many? We should have worked out today. How many actual episodes we've done since being remote.



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Since You've Been around? It's about like, 75.



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Yeah. Which the crazy so nearly half. That's nearly half of the episodes we've done. So we've spent That's crazy. And hundred percent is like it is. So this has been so challenging. But not so rewarded. It's like it's so rewarding at the same time. So doesn't that challenging. It doesn't feel like it's just all bad, or all sort of uncomfortable learnings?



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Yeah. But yeah, the other thing is being daily for us. Like it's a, that makes it a bit of a different ballgame to like, in fact that every single day having a conversation versus I think if we were doing this once a week, I think I would probably over bake so many things like I think I'd overthink. Like how would I know what a pic if we only had one hour every week? Yeah. Yeah, you wouldn't? Well, could you? How would you change it? What do you think the structure would be if we were doing it weekly?



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I think you could just say this is thing, I don't think I would do this though, I was thinking take all your ideas that you have, like what we do, we put them into the Trello board and, and, and then go through and pick the best. Whereas sometimes we pick the ones that aren't the best, because we need to talk about something. But then they are great because of the interaction and banter that we do have. So they can



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basic shit can be the best. Yeah, it's of content, right?



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Like, sometimes we have a whole bunch of stuff to that we've outline that we want to talk about, we don't want to talk about any of it. And I think we would be very focused on talking about the things we've chosen, if we'd taken them from a big list and gone, right, this is our once a week. So here they are. I think any like any radio show, and I compare radio show, because they do it consistently, you know, five days a week, a lot of them, there is a whole bunch of ideas that fall flat. And it's like, you know, for every viral video, there was probably 100 that didn't do well, or, you know, bands that didn't have the impact. And so, you know, we're not in the, this is not a game of trying to go viral with each episode. We're just in the game of talking fact. I feel like I feel like I'm more sane doing this podcast, like, articulating my thoughts regularly is therapy. It's It's amazing. And maybe it's because I'm a blog, maybe, you know, Amy's always talking about her feelings with a, you know, people and everyone. And maybe that's, that helps her. But it's it's great to get things off your chest. Especially walking. I think



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like I think the other thing too is the



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showing up every day, the consistency of it is I think you start to learn a lot about yourself as well. Because it's like, not that I can really use a gym analogy, because I haven't spent enough time at the gym, but let's just use it because will forth. The there we go good use good use of all fourth, but the yet like we say if you're doing it, say once a week or something like that, I think you can, you can find time throughout the week to be able to feel that vibe to be able to be like, Okay, I'm like, script it up, get ready. But doing it every single day, there's probably a quarter of the time where things might be a bit tough, like the internet connexion, like, especially when we're doing it remotely, the internet connexion might not be great. I mean, it's a quarter past 11 at night he I'm in Athens, the less than 24 hours ago, we got a text message saying that our ferry from Paris to Athens was cancelled. All the boats from the island were cancelled. And we had a flight in Athens in a day and a half that to be able to get to New York for estimate. And so we we had to find there was only one flight out of Kairos. And we managed to get that flight just before but all these things that can be happening. And I think that you start to be when you're talking and articulating and communicating for an audience. All of a sudden, you start to see your thought process a little bit more.



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Yeah. Yes. A little limiting about yourself committing to these things. And a lot of your mom learning about you because she listens to the podcast. So my mom says, I've learned more. I've learned more about you from the podcast and I have from you.



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That's why I'm better than my mom because I don't think she lives. Yeah.



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Well, we need it. We should have a listening party for your mom,



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because she's never listened. Yeah. Yeah, I think she hates the voice that I put on for that I will stop.



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White wine paid is a madness in regards closing the loop. We talked about a Rubik's Cube t shirt. He said the character on The Big Bang Theory is Dr. Sheldon Cooper. Not Shelton.



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Closing that loop. I mean,



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I'll pull Trump here. What I meant say when I said Shelton was Sheldon, I just I just mispronounced it was you know, slip of the tongue? I'm sorry, wine.



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That is a very that's a willful thing as well.



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Sheldon? So what are you most excited about? So you fly you leaving very soon? Yeah. What's going in your mind? What What have you got to do? What are you worried about? What are you excited about the next



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24 hours 618 I am I got up this morning. Just before 5am. And I've come into the office. It's a public holiday here in Melbourne, the Grand Finals on tomorrow. It's a big Tommy year, grand final of the AFL football Australian Football League. And so it's it's very much feels like a weekend here. But I mean at work. Now once it's quiet, I'm going to do some vacuuming and clean up the office so I can get back to something nice. I'm looking forward to sitting down on the plane and doing a bunch of radio about some of the guests we've got. And also editing the final 711 video. The rabbit hole video. Yeah, great. I've got I shot it yesterday. And I'm pretty excited about this one. It's gonna it's it's def it's probably been our longest YouTube video. But like a long really sort of thoughtful videos in how I've approached it. So I'm pumped to like have the goal of I'm on a 14 hour flight to LA and then I'm on a five hour flight to New York so I can hundred percent finish it and show you the final product when I get to New York. So I'm looking forward to Yeah, getting on the plane. I love flying by myself. I love the adventure. Like I love getting up there. You know, I'm challenging myself to only bring carry on luggage for 11 days



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that will that will be freeing.



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So because I've got the connecting flight, couple of hours layover, but I was like, I don't want to have to go and think about my bag coming out the other side and then trying to take that bullshit. So I've got to pack the key that I need for the podcast. And I'm spending some time with my son and my wife for a guy. Yeah, awesome. Fantastic.



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Now I think it's a It feels like an exciting time this I'm super pumped to the US I think that it's going to be even if nothing massive comes out of it. I think like it's I say there's like a massive milestone for what we're doing. And I know that it's going to be one of those things that we look back at. It's like, how fucking cool was it that we like, with no real financial reward went and did the thing that we wanted to do?



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Yeah, you know what, it's the trip that I did in 2012. Cycling that Jools Holland. Yeah, like I'm just decent Jerusalem, but that's what the whole web series was about YouTube it and it was this, we spent a bunch of money going on a holiday to create content. And it makes money sensing the time, but it makes so much sense. When you know, in the future, because you look back and go, people we met like, it's not you don't approach it with that in like it as much as we just verbalised that that it's like, we will get something from it. But there's also you actually there's no promises for anything in this space. So yeah, it is just a great, it's a it's a show of commitment to what you're doing. It's like this is the equivalent of someone going away to spend, you know, two weeks writing a book or painting on, you know, canvas and trying to create something awesome. And that's, this is what we're doing, we're going away. Just working, giving it a crack and mixing it up and committing to what this process that we have been on for the last hundred and 83 episodes.



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And the other The awesome thing is that we're doing it as we are so many people, everyone's going to be able to follow along and be able to like, I'm excited that we do still have things to share. And then we can that we can we're going to have so much to post were always Well,



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yeah. But just thinking that like the daily blogging, saying, maybe it's all about having the daily talk show was like a podcast a day. It's like people following along people's lives through



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Yeah, I think that's like, I think there's like a massive connexion with that, too. Right. I think that the I love the audio form. Like I think that it's, I think that podcasting is shining a spotlight on it. But I think it's it's only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. And that's the thing that like, I know that in five years time, there's gonna be so many more podcast just like this, doing this sort of thing, because they're already used radio shows just like this. But it's the difference with podcasting is you can do it on your terms, you can be a niche, you don't have to be a mainstream, we don't need to appeal to everyone, we can have our small audience and have fun with it. And I was even thinking about that with the guests that we've got coming on, it's like you can get a bit sort of highly strung about asking the right questions and using the time that you have, and I'm just like, the, at the end of the day, we want our guests to have a great time, we want to have great time. And we want that to also be reflected, you know, to our audience as well. And for them to feel great.



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Yeah, I heard a good perspective on the audio format. So podcasts versus writing, so written pieces, and written pieces, a read by the viewer, the reader, and they basically you so your words, and their voice in their head because there's they're repeating the words you've written, but it's in their voice. So they've got, you know, their baggage or their thought saw, you know, their tone to what you're writing, even though you try and dictate that. But audio, and podcasting is your voice in your words. So it has a greater impact.



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I think Seth Godin spoke about that with James L teacher. Yeah, that's right.



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So, I love that I love that thought because it's like, You're totally right. I mean, I'm reading someone's bio. And it's like, you know, I'm really in mind fluctuations and, and my bullshit that's going on in my head at that moment. Whereas if you're listening intently to someone speaking, you just processing the words that are coming to you, with you know, the time that they're delivering it in. So it's, it's a super powerful format, as much as I love video. I think that's why you know, video is so powerful because it's, it's got it combines all those visual elements that so many things going on. But yeah, audio is pretty personal. Especially podcasting. Yeah, there's



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