Dexington Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Canada 6519 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:20:59 #1



First, the top two players scenarios.



Division 1



+ Show Spoiler + Division one has four possible players that can qualify directly to the finals. Morrow, Sheth, Fenix and Moon. The standings are as follows:



1. Morrow (7-1 with 8 points)

2. Moon (6-2 with 8 points)

3/4. Sheth/Fenix (6-2 with 7 points)



Coincidentally, these players face each other.



Moon vs Fenix

Sheth vs. Morrow



Because the difference in points is only one, the winner of each of these matches makes the top two. One of Moon and Fenix will be in, and one of Sheth and Morrow will be in.



Division 2



+ Show Spoiler + July has automatically qualified. Here are the standings. Only five players are in contention.



1. July (7-1 with 10 points)

2/3. White-Ra/Sjow (5-3 with 3 points)

4. Darkforce (5-3 with 1 point)

5. Cruncher (4-4 with 1 point)



Incontrol is not in contention, because even if he 2-0's Sjow, he is still behind him and White Ra in points. Similarly, TT1 is not in contention because he is 3 points behind White Ra and Sjow.



Several important matches here:

Sjow vs Incontrol

QXC vs Darkforce

TT1 vs Cruncher

White Ra vs Ensnare



So, what could happen?

Cruncher can qualify if he 2-0's TT1 and both White Ra and Sjow lose by any score. If Cruncher only 2-1's TT1, White Ra and Sjow must BOTH lose by 2-0 scores. Darkforce must also lose for these scenarios.



Darkforce can qualify if he wins and both White Ra and Sjow lose. That simple.



White Ra and Sjow get complicated. Since they have identical records, if one of them wins and the other loses, that person who won qualifies. However, if they both wins, the person who didn't drop a game in this week will qualify. If they both win by 2-0 scores, it goes to the head to head tiebreak. White Ra beat Sjow 2-1 in their matchup.





Division 3

+ Show Spoiler + Here are the current standings, with 4 players in contention. Squirtle has automatically qualified.



1. Squirtle (7-1 with 9 points)

2. Strelok (6-1 with 6 points)

3. Naniwa (5-3 with 7 points)

4. Nada (5-3 with 4 points)



Here are the important matches:

Strelok vs Haypro has disappeared. It is not on the NASL schedule.

Strelok vs. Slush

Naniwa vs. Haypro

Nada vs. Axslav



So what could happen?



If Strelok wins either of his remaining matches, he advances.

Naniwa advances if he beats Haypro by any score, and Strelok loses both his matches.

Nada advances if, and only if, Naniwa loses, Strelok loses both of his matches by any score and Nada wins his match.



Division 4

+ Show Spoiler + Here are the current standings. Select has automatically advanced.



1. Select (7-1 with 12 points)

2. Ret (7-1 with 10 points)

3. Ace (6-2 with 7 points)



Here are the important matches:

Select vs MC

ret vs HasuObs

Ace vs Goody



So what could happen?

If Ret wins, he advances.



Ace can advance if he wins 2-0, along with Ret losing. If Ace drops a single game, he will not advance, as there is no way he can pass Ret in points, even if Ret loses 2-0. Ace does hold the tie breaker over Ret, so on the chance that Ace wins 2-0 and Ret loses 2-1, Ace advances through tie break.



Division 5

+ Show Spoiler + Here are the current standings.



1. Boxer (7-1 with 9 points)

2. Sen (6-2 with 9 points)

3. Zenio (6-2 with 8 points)

4. Idra (6-2 with 7 points)



Here are the important matches:

Idra vs. Boxer

Socke vs. Sen

Zenio vs. Painuser



So what could happen?



Boxer advances if he wins.



Idra advances if he beats Boxer with any score and one of Zenio or Sen lose, or if both Sen and Zenio lose. If both Sen and Zenio win, there is no scenario in which Idra advances.



Sen advances if he wins his match. Even if it is 2-1 and Zenio 2-0's, Sen takes the tie break because he beat Zenio earlier. Sen can also advance if he loses, provided both other Zergs lose as well. Again, Sen owns the tie break over both Zenio and Idra.



Zenio advances if he wins and Sen loses. If Zenio wins 2-1 and Idra wins 2-0, Zenio advances due to the tie break.



I may also post scenarios for the next 20 qualifier playoff spots later as well. I hope you all enjoy.



As we all know, the top two players in each division move on automatically into the final playoffs. The next top 20 players go into a playoff for the remaining 5 spots in the finals. I believe these last 20 players are chosen independent of the groups, someone feel free to correct me on this if I am incorrect.First, the top two players scenarios.Division 1Division 2Division 3Division 4Division 5I may also post scenarios for the next 20 qualifier playoff spots later as well. I hope you all enjoy. "Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm

Primadog Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 4408 Posts #2 Very well done! Glad I don't have to run these numbers in my head, quite fried at the moment. Thank God and gunrun.

TrevorJK Profile Joined May 2009 United States 69 Posts #3 Well done, thanks for doing this.

jubil Profile Blog Joined March 2011 United States 2396 Posts #4 Very interesting to see how the players stack up against each other in the crucial few matchups to come! July, Squirte, and Select must be relieved they don't have to run the numbers and cross their fingers during others' matchups Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!

Zaxro Profile Joined November 2009 United States 261 Posts #5 Thanks for this, I was hoping to be able to find a something like this. Good job with the write-up.

Primadog Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 4408 Posts #6 Well, this week's results won't clarify anything for division 5. Thank God and gunrun.

Dexington Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Canada 6519 Posts #7 Updated for division 5. Probably the wierdest one, though division one is also odd. "Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm

danzhang Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Canada 184 Posts #8 This is a really good read. But i didnt find it until i randomly searched up nasl in the TL search bar. I suggest u put this on sc2 general because it could really be more discussed IMMVP

Dexington Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Canada 6519 Posts #9 True say. I will do that. "Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm

Paradice Profile Joined October 2010 New Zealand 430 Posts #10 Nice work! Thanks

Azarkon Profile Joined January 2010 United States 9631 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-06 04:50:53 #11 Boxer advances if he wins.



Idra advances if he beats Boxer with any score and one of Zenio or Sen lose, or if both Sen and Zenio lose. If both Sen and Zenio win, there is no scenario in which Idra advances.



Sen advances if he wins his match. Even if it is 2-1 and Zenio 2-0's, Sen takes the tie break because he beat Zenio earlier. Sen can also advance if he loses, provided both other Zergs lose as well. Again, Sen owns the tie break over both Zenio and Idra.



Zenio advances if he wins and Sen loses. If Zenio wins 2-1 and Idra wins 2-0, Zenio advances due to the tie break.



Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.



Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.



IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.



Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.



Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.



If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.



If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance. Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance.

Dexington Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Canada 6519 Posts #12 I reposted this in SC2 General if anyone wants to discuss somewhere where it will likely be seen. "Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm

Primadog Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 4408 Posts #13 On June 06 2011 13:44 Azarkon wrote:

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Boxer advances if he wins.



Idra advances if he beats Boxer with any score and one of Zenio or Sen lose, or if both Sen and Zenio lose. If both Sen and Zenio win, there is no scenario in which Idra advances.



Sen advances if he wins his match. Even if it is 2-1 and Zenio 2-0's, Sen takes the tie break because he beat Zenio earlier. Sen can also advance if he loses, provided both other Zergs lose as well. Again, Sen owns the tie break over both Zenio and Idra.



Zenio advances if he wins and Sen loses. If Zenio wins 2-1 and Idra wins 2-0, Zenio advances due to the tie break.



Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.



Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.



IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.



Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.



Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.



If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.



If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance. Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance.



I believe in the deadlock scenario, additional tie-break matches will be played. I believe in the deadlock scenario, additional tie-break matches will be played. Thank God and gunrun.

NeonPeon Profile Joined February 2011 93 Posts #14 Thanks so much for detailing the scenarios. Really NASL should have their act together and know this information, and make it available to the casters. It's unacceptable to hear Gretorp and Incontrol wondering aloud what the remaining matches and scenarios are, they need to have this information to hand.



Secondly, it's really sad, and I blame the players for this far more than the ruleset than NASL, that a few scenarios are being determined or at the least influenced by no show walkovers. This hurts the competition.



Seing what has happened, NASL will need to make adjustments to allow for a lack of professionalism with scheduling, and that's sad. There are several players that haven't taken this competition seriously enough, including some surprising names, and it shows a lot of disrespect to all their fellow competitors. All of them can accept missing out on spots/qualification etc. due to their own play, but due to someone else not bothering to schedule a game, or worse yet just ignoring one? That's just unacceptable.

Morfildur Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Germany 4243 Posts #15

While there are some players are already decided (July, Select, ...), a lot is still open and we can still be excited about the matches because every match still counts

Summary:While there are some players are already decided (July, Select, ...), a lot is still open and we can still be excited about the matches because every match still counts

Shadowed0ne Profile Joined December 2009 United States 12 Posts #16 On June 06 2011 13:44 Azarkon wrote:

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Boxer advances if he wins.



Idra advances if he beats Boxer with any score and one of Zenio or Sen lose, or if both Sen and Zenio lose. If both Sen and Zenio win, there is no scenario in which Idra advances.



Sen advances if he wins his match. Even if it is 2-1 and Zenio 2-0's, Sen takes the tie break because he beat Zenio earlier. Sen can also advance if he loses, provided both other Zergs lose as well. Again, Sen owns the tie break over both Zenio and Idra.



Zenio advances if he wins and Sen loses. If Zenio wins 2-1 and Idra wins 2-0, Zenio advances due to the tie break.



Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.



Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.



IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.



Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.



Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.



If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.



If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance. Based on the fact that Painuser hasn't shown up for three matches in a row, Zenio will 2-0. He will have 10 points. So you can scratch out any scenarios involving him losing next week.Basically, Sen has to win his match 2-0 or 2-1. 2-1, however, gets him 10 points, which gets him the tiebreak against Zenio, and also puts him above anything IdrA can gain. But the issue here is that Boxer can also get 10 points, and Zenio has the HtH advantage over Boxer. If a three-way tie happens between Boxer, Sen, and Zenio, I'm not sure what happens.IdrA has to hope Sen loses. If Sen loses, IdrA has a chance to advance over Boxer if he beats Boxer 2-0. If Sen doesn't lose, there is no way IdrA can have more points than him, in which case HtH will always advance Sen over IdrA.Zenio has to hope Sen or Boxer loses. Sen losing will give Sen 7-8 points and Zenio 10 points. This means he will advance no matter what happens in Boxer vs. IdrA. Alternatively, he can hope that Boxer loses. Either 1-2 or 0-2 will do. This will put Boxer at 7-8 points, clearly below Zenio, and IdrA cannot advance over Zenio because he cannot attain 10 points.Boxer advances if he 2-0s IdrA. If he doesn't 2-0 IdrA, then things get tricky. 2-1, and Boxer is at 10 points, with the HtH *disadvantage* against Zenio. Now he has to hope that Sen loses against Socke. If Sen loses, Boxer and Zenio will advance.If Sen wins 2-1, however, he will have 10 pts, Zenio will have 10 pts, and Boxer will have 10 pts. Boxer will have the HtH against Sen, Sen will have the HtH against Zenio, and Zenio will have the HtH against Boxer. Again, not sure what happens here.If Boxer 1-2s against IdrA, he has to hope that Sen also 1-2s against Socke, or 0-2s. If Boxer 0-2s, then he has to hope Sen 0-2s. Basically, if Boxer loses, Sen also has to lose just as badly (or worse) if Boxer is to advance.

Wouldn't Boxer advance even if he wins 2-1?



He would be at 8-1 while Zenio/Sen would be at 7-2. I'm pretty sure that the points earned through the matches would be for tie breakers. Wouldn't Boxer advance even if he wins 2-1?He would be at 8-1 while Zenio/Sen would be at 7-2. I'm pretty sure that the points earned through the matches would be for tie breakers. Sometimes, when it comes down to it, you just have to do it yourself.