Rick Rubin and Malcolm Gladwell have launched a new joint podcast. It’s called “Broken Record,” and it will feature the two co-hosting episodes about different songs, artists, and kinds of music. The first episode features an interview with Eminem, who released his Rubin-produced song “Walk on Water” featuring Beyoncé earlier today. “It’s a very mortal song. It’s mortality, it’s not being Superman,” Eminem said. “What if I can’t come up with the best shit I wrote every single time, you know?”

Gladwell goes on to reveal that Rubin played the song for JAY-Z, who then convinced Beyoncé to sing the chorus. At another point, Eminem opens up about how Tupac Shakur’s writing influenced his own creative process: “He was so smart about picking his beats. Tupac always said ‘feel me,’ and you have to feel him, and not just hear him.” He also talks about his early influences: Ice-T, N.W.A, Audio Two, and more. Listen to the full episode below.