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BY LOWERING TAXES FOR THOSE AT THE TOP AND LETTING CORPORATIONS WRITE THEIR OWN RULES. HILLARY CLINTON WILL WORK TO CLOSE THE WAGE GAP. EQUAL PAY FOR WOMEN TO RAISE INCOME FOR FAMILIES, A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE, LOWER TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. SHE WILL GET THE JOB DONE FOR US. >> I'M HILLARY CLINTON AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE. NICOLLE: THAT WAS HILLARY CLINTON'S LATEST AT GOING UP IN IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE ABOUT INCOME INEQUALITY, WHICH MIGHT BE FAMILIAR TO FOLLOWERS OF BERNIE SANDERS, WHO HAS BEEN SINGING IT LONGER. IS IT FAIR TO CO-OPT HIS MESSAGE? JOHN: I THINK SHE IS IN A PRETTY GOOD POSITION TO DO THAT. HER LIFETIME, SHE REFERRING TO THE ISSUE -- NOT BEATING UP THE OLIGARCHY, THAT THIS WAGE GAP ARGUMENT, THE NOTION THAT SOCIAL MOBILITY AND WAGE MOBILITY, MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE ON THE LOWER RUNGS, THAT IS THE MESSAGE SHE CAN GRAB ONTO, AND IT TAKES SOME OF THE STEAM OUT OF SANDERS'S ARGUMENT FURTHER DOWN THE SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF PROGRESSIVISM. SHE IS A PRETTY GOOD POSITION TO HALTING THEIR. NICOLLE: IT FEELS LIKE IN 2008 THAT WAS AN EASIER TASK FOR HER. IT FEELS THIS CYCLE LIKE SHE WAS DRAGGED INTO THIS SPOT, NOT JUST BY BERNIE SANDERS BYE-BYE ELIZABETH WARREN. DO YOU THINK SHE IS MAKING A FAIL? JOHN: THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS MOVED FURTHER LEFT IN THE WAKE OF THE GREAT RECESSION IN THE FINANCIAL CRISIS. SHE ALSO WAS IN MANY RESPECTS IN A BETTER POSITION RELATIVE TO THE DEMOCRATIC ELECTORATE. I THINK SHE IS FINE IN THIS AREA, JUST BECAUSE THE MAINSTREAM OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS STILL BASICALLY WHERE HILLARY IS ON THESE ISSUES, AND YEAH, THERE ARE SOME PROGRESSIVE ACTIVISTS WHO PINE FOR ELIZABETH WARREN, BUT HILLARY ON POLICY WILL BE THE MAINSTREAM OF HER ELECTORATE, AND SHE IS SHOWING THAT IN THIS AD. NICOLLE: MORE EXAMPLES OF HILLARY CLINTON TO THE LAST INTO BERNIE TERRITORY. ONE OBVIOUS AREA IS ON WALL STREET. THIS IS WHAT SHE TOLD STEPHEN COLBERT IN OCTOBER. >> IF YOU ARE PRESIDENT -- >> YES. [LAUGHTER] >> THEN THE BANKS ARE FAILING, TO BE LET THEM FAIL? >> YES. [APPLAUSE] >> UNDER DODD-FRANK, THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. WE NOW HAVE STRESS TESTS. I AM GOING TO IMPOSE RISK S ON THE BANK IF THEY ENGAGE IN RISKY BEHAVIORS. THEY HAVE TO KNOW, THEIR SHAREHOLDERS HAVE TO KNOW, THAT YES, THEY WILL FAIL. IF THEY ARE TOO BIG TO FAIL, THAN UNDER MY PLAN AND OTHERS, THEY MAY HAVE TO BE BROKEN UP. NICOLLE: STRONG THERE, BUT SHE DID TRAIL BERNIE SANDERS FOR A FEW MONTHS IN HOW TO DEAL WITH WALL STREET'S. IT IS HIS FAVORITE LINE OF ATTACK. DO YOU THINK SHE IS PREVAILING? JOHN: NO. [LAUGHTER] JOHN: THOSE ARE STRONG WORDS ON HER PART, BUT SHE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SEEN, AND NOT WRONGLY, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A LOT OF FRIENDS ON WALL STREET, WHO TAKES A LOT OF MONEY FROM WALL STREET. NOT IN THE WAY A LOT OF REPUBLICANS HAVE, AND NOT THE WORST OF THE CORPORATE DEMOCRATS HAVE, BUT SHE WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE ON BERNIE SANDERS WITH WALL STREET. KNOW OF THE LEASE OR WHEN SHE SAYS THE THINGS SHE SAYS. SHE IS SAYING THINGS SHE HAS TO SAY, BUT IF WHAT YOU CARE ABOUT MOST IS BASHING WALL STREET, SHE WILL NOT BE A CANDIDATE. NICOLLE: WE ARE GOING TO TURN TO TPP. ON OCTOBER 8, SHE SPOKE ABOUT HER CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRADE DEAL ON CBS NEWS HOUR. >> I HAVE SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A TRADE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD CREATE GOOD AMERICAN JOBS, RAISE WAGES, AND ADVANCE THE NATIONAL SECURITY, AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT IS THE HIGH BAR WE HAVE TO MEET. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN ABOUT THE AGREEMENT, BUT I WORRIED. I AM WORRIED ABOUT CURRENCY MANIPULATION NOT BEING PART OF THE AGREEMENT. WE HAVE LOST AMERICAN JOBS TO MANIPULATION, TO COUNTRIES PARTICULARLY IN ASIA. I AM WORRIED THAT THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES MAY HAVE MORE BENEFITS AND PATIENTS AND CONSUMERS FEWER. NICOLLE: BERNIE ALSO WENT AFTER HER WITH FIGHTING WORDS, CALLING IT A COPOUT WHEN SHE REFUSED TO WEIGH IN. DO THINK SHE IS MAKING GROUND HERE OR DOES BERNIE STILL HAVE THE UPPER HAND? JOHN: WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL IN A LITTLE BIT -- THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE NAKED, POLITICALLY TRANSPARENT MOVES. I DON'T THINK SHE CAN SELL -- SHE IS GOING TO GET THINGS FOREVER FOR MAKING THIS DECISION, AND RIGHTLY SO. BERNIE WILL BEEP HERE ON THIS ISSUE FOR PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT IT. NICOLLE: HE LOOKS ANGRY WHEN HE KEPT GETTING ASKED ABOUT HER FINALLY COMING OUT AND OPPOSING IT. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I THOUGHT HE LOOKED AGITATED BY CLINTONISM, THE WAITING UNTIL A MOMENT OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE. JOHN: THAT'S AMAZING. I THINK HE LOOKS EDUCATED MOST OF THE TIME. [LAUGHTER] NICOLLE: MAYBE HE IS MELDED IN MY MIND WITH LARRY DAVID. KEYSTONE PIPELINE -- A BIG ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS, BUT IT HAS DIVIDED THESE TWO. THIS WAS THE POSITION THAT HILLARY ANNOUNCED IN UNIVERSITY OF IOWA. >> I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE LOOK AT THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE AS BUT I BELIEVE IT IS -- A DISTRACTION FROM THE IMPORTANT WORK WE HAVE TO DO TO COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE AND, UNFORTUNATELY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ONE THAT INTERFERES WITH OUR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD TO DEAL WITH ALL THE OTHER ISSUES. THEREFORE I OPPOSE IT. NICOLLE: FINALLY. [LAUGHTER] NICOLLE: WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ONE? JOHN: AGAIN, THIS IS VERY MUCH LIKE TPP. THESE ARE ISSUES WERE SANDERS HAS A POINT, WHERE HE HAS BEEN PRINCIPLED AND STEADFAST, AND SHE HAS FOLLOWED HIM IN ORDER TO NOT ALLOW HIM TO HAVE MORE PURCHASE WITH THE ELECTORATE. SHE'S NOT GOING TO LOSE. IF SHE LOSES THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION IT WILL NOT BE OVER THESE ISSUES. THIS IS THE SAME CATEGORY FOR ME AS TPP. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, THOUGH. CRIMINAL JUSTICE IS THE OTHER ISSUE WHERE HILLARY IS HALF TO THE LEFT TO NOT LET BERNIE HAVE ANY AIR. SHE HAS DONE ALL THIS STUFF, IS FURTHER TO THE LEFT THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT ALL OF IT TAKEN TOGETHER, AND WHAT IT MIGHT MEAN FOR THE GENERAL ELECTION? NICOLLE: I THINK THIS WHOLE BUCKET OF ISSUES ARE ONES THAT SHE CAN FINESSE. IF YOU ACCEPT HER SHIFT TO THE LEFT AND JUST COMFORT THE CONCERNS, I JUST DON'T SEE THOSE VOTERS ABANDONING HER. IF SHE IS UP AGAINST SOMEONE LIKE TRUMP, IS SUCH -- ALL THE PAPER CARDS THROWN IN THE AIR. I THINK SOME OF THESE ISSUES SHE WILL BE ABLE TO DEFEND HERSELF ON FIRE BETTER THAN THE STATEMENT SHE MADE ON ISIS. I REALLY DON'T THINK THIS IS WHERE REPUBLICANS WILL GO TO ATTACK HER. JOHN: ANY ISSUE WHERE I FIND MYSELF LISTENING TO NICOLLE PRAISING HILLARY CLINTON -- NICOLLE: IT WAS IN PRAISE! I JUST THINK THERE IS MUCH MORE FERTILE GROUND IN GOING AFTER HER. JOHN: CAPTAIN OF THE HILLARY CAMP. ♪