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"WaPo: Purported 'Anthrax Killer' Had 'No Access to Dry, Powered Anthrax,' According to Expert, Lab Officials"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... MsKitty said on 8/1/2008 @ 9:46 pm PT...





Dead men tell no truths.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... nwmuse said on 8/1/2008 @ 9:53 pm PT...





How terribly convenient. All the loose ends are getting neatly tied up before these guys leave office and turn off the lights..

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Michael Bedney Sr. said on 8/2/2008 @ 1:31 am PT...





Something is going on tonight. First I couldn't get into the website "CrooksandLiars". Then, when I tried to log on to "Newshounds", the watchdogs for the propaganda network, I kept getting a hold on that site that would not let me get in. Finally, Democratic Underground froze up. What's going on? Is this the answer to "the far left blogs"? I don't want to sound paranoid, but this is damned weird.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:32 am PT...





You're on to something here Brad.

It appears that they found a potentially unstable person here to lay the blame on. They harassed him into the ground, literally. Link from Raw AUGUST 1--The government biodefense researcher who committed suicide as federal prosecutors reportedly prepared to indict him in connection with the 2001 anthrax attacks was committed to a Maryland psychiatric hospital last month after making death threats against a counselor, according to court records. Bruce Ivins, 62, who died Tuesday of a drug overdose, had been scheduled to appear yesterday in a Frederick County court in connection with a protective order application filed by Jean Duley, program director of Comprehensive Counseling Associates.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:06 am PT...





Ms. Duley is a (prescription) drug addiction therapist, at least that is her specialty anyway...hmm. Link

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:10 am PT...





That's what his lawyer is saying... Today, Ivins's attorney issued a statement saying the scientist was innocent and had fully cooperated with the FBI's investigation for six years. ``We assert his innocence in these killings, and would have established that at trial,'' said Paul Kemp, a partner at the Venable law firm in Rockville, Maryland. ``The relentless pressure of accusation and innuendo takes its toll in different ways on different people, as has already been seen in this investigation. In Dr. Ivins's case, it led to his untimely death.'' Link

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:24 am PT...





Repeat after me...Scapegoat

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:40 am PT...





OT, This will never see the light of day, will it 99? [...] a new development by MIT chemist Daniel Nocera may bring the holy grail of renewable energy storage a bit closer to hand. Cobalt-Phosphorus Catalyst Used to Split Water at Room Temperature

The Guardian is reporting that Nocera has developed a catalyst from cobalt and phosphorus which can be used to split water at room temperature. Nocera, “I’m using cheap, Earth-abundant materials that you can mass-manufacture. As long as you can charge the surface, you can create the catalyst and it doesn’t get any cheaper than that.” Link

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:59 am PT...





A better link for #8 link

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Kmac said on 8/2/2008 @ 6:17 am PT...





Seems this Administrations has accumulated quite a few untimely suicides or accidents ...hmmmmm

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/2/2008 @ 6:21 am PT...





I think it should be quite obvious to anyone that is not a Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity listening Reich wing nut bag that this guy is a patsy.

He had zero motive, likely no access to the type of anthrax used not the technical skills required to make it.

The Neo-Fascist that have taken over this country in a coup d’état in 2000 have the motive, the means, and the total lack of morals & conscience to have done it. The MSM is doing exactly what they have done with the Election fraud, the Iraq occupation and the false flag attack of 9/11. They are complicit in these cover ups, there is no way these people could be this blind & ignorant they have to be complicit.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... diana said on 8/2/2008 @ 7:40 am PT...





it's called being 'suicided'-much like the

DC madam-

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/2/2008 @ 7:53 am PT...





Pretty good KO video on it Link

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Anonymous Source said on 8/2/2008 @ 8:20 am PT...





The anthrax scare was created as an excuse to install mail surveillance. 60-70% of the CIA and NSA budgets are paid to private contractors, some of them are corrupt. When Hatfill wouldn't fall they pinned it on Ivins. The harassment Ivins endured are classic CIA / NSA tactics to discredit, disgrace and destroy. It reads like a bad remake of Arlington Road.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... nunya said on 8/2/2008 @ 10:54 am PT...





Anthrax vaccine maker wins NIAID grants

Jul 29, 2008 (CIDRAP News) – Emergent BioSolutions Inc. recently announced it had secured two federal grants totaling $4.5 million for development of its botulism and next-generation anthrax vaccine candidates.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... nunya said on 8/2/2008 @ 11:02 am PT...



COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Soul Rebel said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:24 pm PT...





Now he was a clinically diagnosed homicidal sociopath ...and yet still no connection to WHY he would target two sitting Democratic US Senators...

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:38 pm PT...





The biggest lie reveals that the United States uses WMD on its own and suicides its own. Cheney and Rumsfeld know ALL about this one. Code Name Artichoke: As for the revelation that an Anthrax Scientist took his own life last week…that is THE BIG LIE ANTHRAX in 1975 – and Cheney & Rumsfeld are in the midst of it: Did he jump or was he pushed? I am writing this from Frederick, Maryland. I've just been filming, for Channel 4, a press conference in which the son of a CIA officer who died in suspicious circumstances presented his evidence that vice-president Dick Cheney and defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld were, in 1975, when part of the Gerald Ford administration, involved in a cover-up of the events surrounding his father's death. http://www.guardian.co.u...aug/17/weekend.jonronson http://www.frankolsonpro...t-CodeNameArtichoke.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MlFajrqKDc http://xymphora.blogspot...ld-anthrax-division.html http://www.whatreallyhap....com/anthraxsuspect.html Frank Olson and the Artichoke project were dealing with Anthrax at Fort Detrick back in the fifties. Olson purportedly threw himself out a seventeenth story window of a New York Hotel. THE BIG LIE continues today…same games, different names. The history of the game and the players is revealed further here: http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2007/7/8/14653/71820 and here: http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:41 pm PT...





Of these men whom you perceive as mortal and flawed, their own self-perception is that they are in fact the masters of the universe. They work for David Rockefeller, his CFR, his IMF, His World Bank, His IRS, His FED, His Exxon, His JP Morgan Chase. All of them. Where will the “money” come from to create the new system from the ashes of the old, and who will be in possession of this new money, and through what means? Here’s a respected business man…Bett Midler’s former Manager, the Producer of Trading Places and other successful films…listen to every word: http://youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Soul Rebel said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:42 pm PT...





Nice work, Plunger, thanks for this info.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:47 pm PT...





The anthrax came from a Rumsfeld-controlled DOD facility. The Anthrax attacks were against the most prominent media talking heads, and against one member of the media who published photos of the Bush Twins drunk. The Anthrax Attacks were also against Tom Daschle and other Democrats who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Warrantless Domestic Wire Tapping - and against the Mainstream Media to ensure their silent complicity. Rumsfeld ordered it. Dr. Philip Zack did it. It was US DOD Anthrax. The repeated lie that "we haven't been attacked here since 9/11" is absurd. The Anthrax attacks instilled at least as much fear in the American public as did 9/11. Rumsfeld and Cheney made it happen, all under the direction of the REAL PRESIDENT, GW's Father, Bush 41.: The anthrax lead RIGHT BACK to the same place the 9/11 funding eventually lead back to: the bowels of the US government. It was PROVEN by the FBI that the anthrax originated from a secret army lab in Fort Dietrich maryland. Funny how the White House was put on Cipro on 9/10 by the same guy (Jerry Hauer) who sent FBI agent John O’neil to die in the towers. http://www.frankolsonpro...t-CodeNameArtichoke.html The conspiracy originated at the top, in the White House, initiated by Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney. It had just been learned that the CIA allegedly drugged its employee Frank Olson with LSD before his supposed suicide. Rumsfeld and Cheney, heads of the White House chiefs of staff, at the time recommended to President Gerald Ford that he apologize to the family in the name of the government, and to support retribution. In order to prevent worse things from happening. That's the content of this White House memo: 49.21 "There (is...) the possibility that it might be necessary to disclose highly classified national security information in connection with any court suit or legislative hearings." 49.38 Ten days later, Ford hosted the Olson family and apologized. This allowed him to remain silent about state secrets – and the true reasons for Frank Olson's death. 49.52 Voice of Eric Olson "What this means for me is that a national security homicide is not only a possibility, but really it is a necessity, when you have a certain number of ingredients together. If you are doing top secret work that is immoral, arguably immoral, especially in the post-Nuremberg period, and arguably illegal, and at odds with the kind of high moral position you are trying to maintain in the world, then you have to have a mechanism of security which is going to include murder." 50.26 The two politicians who collaborated in the conspiracy in 1975, Rumsfeld and Cheney, are back in power. As vice president and secretary of defense of the government of the United States.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:48 pm PT...





Soul Rebel: Thanks... Distribute widely, no attribution required.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:48 pm PT...





Just saw on cnn, Tom Ivins the estranged (and you know what that can mean) brother of the conveniently dead "Anthrax Killer" he looks and sounds as about as credible as an egg plant . . .

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:53 pm PT...





Judy Miller was either a useful idiot or a spy, but either way, the results were the same. She was clearly a tool of the Neocons/Zionists in the SELLING OF A WAR (as if it were a product to be pitched). The motive? This assumes there was a single motive. Each of the actors involved had their own reasons for engaging in the conspiracy. For those who benefitted financially from the 9/11 attacks and ALL that has followed, the primary motive was likely greed, with a secondary lust for power and control. Who bought the stock of Invision airport bomb detection equipment prior to 9/11? Who shorted American Airlines? What did Carlyle do to position itself in advance of the attacks? Follow the money. Where is Chertoff’s final report (Operation Greenquest)? The answer…Bush buried it. For Evangelicals the goal is the end of days so they can meet their maker while during their own brief stint on planet earth. For Israel, expanding the realm and controlling global finance. Daschle: Congress Denied Bush War Powers in U.S. By Barton Gellman

Washington Post Staff Writer

Friday, December 23, 2005; Page A04 The Bush administration requested, and Congress rejected, war-making authority “in the United States” in negotiations over the joint resolution passed days after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to an opinion article by former Senate majority leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) in today’s Washington Post. Daschle’s disclosure challenges a central legal argument offered by the White House in defense of the National Security Agency’s warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. It suggests that Congress refused explicitly to grant authority that the Bush administration now asserts is implicit in the resolution. http://www.washingtonpos.../22/AR2005122202119.html And then…a few weeks later… W A S H I N G T O N, Nov. 1 A group of military scientists is feverishly examining the microscopic spores of anthrax sent to Sen. Tom Daschle for clues to a mystery that could have profound implications for the United States and its ongoing war on terror: Who made it? http://abcnews.go.com/US...tory?id=92006&page=1 THE ANTHRAX IS SAID TO CONTAIN BENTONITE - FROM IRAQ.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 2:57 pm PT...





For any remaining COINCIDENCE THEORISTS: Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building Bizarre coincidence? U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise involving aircraft crashing into buildings on 09-11-2001 John J. Lumpkin — Associated Press Wednesday September 11, 2002

Bizarre coincidence?: National Reconnaissance Office scheduled an exercise involving aircraft crashing into buildings on 09-11-2001 In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn’t terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident. “It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility,” Haubold said. “As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise.” Adding to the coincidence, American Airlines Flight 77 — the Boeing 767 that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon — took off from Dulles at 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 50 minutes before the exercise was to begin. It struck the Pentagon around 9:40 a.m., killing 64 aboard the plane and 125 on the ground. The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation’s spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA. After the Sept. 11 attacks, most of the 3,000 people who work at agency headquarters were sent home, save for some essential personnel, Haubold said. An announcement for an upcoming homeland security conference in Chicago first noted the exercise. In a promotion for speaker John Fulton, a CIA officer assigned as chief of NRO’s strategic gaming division, the announcement says, “On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team … were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.” GOT PROBABLE CAUSE? http://w3ar.com/a.php?k=1065 Wiretaps? http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j121701.html {Ed Note: Big interesting copy and paste from the AntiWar Dot Com link deleted. --99} Connect ALL the dots here: http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:05 pm PT...





Philip Zack Steals Anthrax http://www.thesimon.com/...zack_steals_anthrax.html http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j022202.html http://www.washington-re.../sept-oct02/0209018.html

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 3:11 pm PT...





The anthrax came from a Rumsfeld-controlled DOD facility. The Anthrax attacks were against the most prominent media talking heads, and against one member of the media who published photos of the Bush Twins drunk. The Anthrax Attacks were also against Tom Daschle and other Democrats who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Warrantless Domestic Wire Tapping Los Angeles, Alta California - 2/26/2002 - (ACN) Jewish microbiologist Dr. Philip M. Zack may be behind the deadly anthrax contaminated letters that were mailed to NBC's Tom Brokaw, Senator Tom Daschle and others, according to FBI sources. In a rapidly unravelling investigation by the FBI, it appears that the "Arab-hating-Jew" was behind a vile conspiracy to frame a

colleague who was born in Egypt and who worked, along with Dr. Zack, at the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Md. Nexus: Anthrax, Zack, Gilead, Rumsfeld On the 9/11 anthrax attacks, the mainstream media went from 24×7 anthrax hysteria to complete amnesia that the attacks ever occurred. The amnesia began as soon as all the evidence for the source of the attacks began to point in the wrong direction. It is, of course, absolutely verboten to mention the name of Philip Zack ever in discussing this glaringly obvious false flag op. Rumsfeld served as Gilead (Research)'s chairman from 1997 until he joined the Bush administration in 2001, and he still holds a Gilead stake valued at between $5 million and $25 million, according to federal financial disclosures filed by Rumsfeld. The forms don't reveal the exact number of shares Rumsfeld owns, but in the past six months fears of a pandemic and the ensuing scramble for Tamiflu have sent Gilead's stock from $35 to $47. That's made the Pentagon chief, already one of the wealthiest members of the Bush cabinet, at least $1 million richer. Rumsfeld isn't the only political heavyweight benefiting from demand for Tamiflu, which is manufactured and marketed by Swiss pharma giant Roche. (Gilead receives a royalty from Roche equaling about 10% of sales.) Former Secretary of State George Shultz, who is on Gilead's board, has sold more than $7 million worth of Gilead since the beginning of 2005. http://christianparty.net/zack.htm

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/2/2008 @ 4:25 pm PT...





plunger Please mellow out with the looooong posts, and you REALLY need to go back and find the right links for a lot of this stuff. They're going dead, and if you can't reconstitute them, you should blog them all yourself and JUST LINK your blog posts here. Truly, you are shoving the commenting rules to the max and it's not fair to the rest of our readers. I happen to like most of the stuff you link, but you need to do more work making it hang together for people and you should be doing it on YOUR OWN blog. They've made it so even dummies can start a blog in a heartbeat, so you have no excuse. Or get Winter to turn over Plunger Speaks to you.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/2/2008 @ 5:23 pm PT...





99: thanks for your comments. I don't need an "excuse" to start my own blog, I'm fully aware I could, and choose to be more effective this way. Brad seemed to care deeply about the truth and I have provided food for thought - specifically for his benefit. Some links are taken down by those who don't want the information viewed by the public. sometimes the only way to impart the information in my files is to post it. So be it. I don't consider my posts at the end of a thread to be interfering with anything - it's simply a way for me to share information with Brad that I believe is critical to his understanding and further investigations. This thread had already run its course when I posted my stuff. That's my own perspective. Thanks for listening.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/2/2008 @ 5:32 pm PT...





Well, it probably wouldn't cost Brad as much if you emailed him the information, and other readers and commenters wouldn't be upset that you were allowed to break the rules.... Seems to me you are wrong about the effectiveness factor. People are more apt to listen when you make a cogent comment with the specific link to something, and if you were the one to put the information in a post, so much the better. There are lots of free blogging formats, but this one isn't one of them, and Brad has to make what little he gets stretch a loooooong way. So, please, try to figure out a way to be more succinct here. I think my idea has a lot of merit. That way you can have your cake and we can eat it too.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... teknikAL said on 8/2/2008 @ 5:48 pm PT...





Suicide by Tylenol 3? What a painfully slow death with all the pills you would need to do that. I would think anyone would retch before dieing from that.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... DanD said on 8/2/2008 @ 6:23 pm PT...





There is no physical evidence that Ivins sent anthrax letters to anyone, but as his bio currently is being massaged to make it look as if he could have, in spite of the fact that he had the mental clarity to know that he could clear his name in court, he yet had to be offed to make it look like suicide, either that or driven to it thru relentless subtle harassment in the hope that he would, hence this is an op to protect Dr Philip Zack by having a scapegoat named after it has conveniently died, and then move to declare the case closed. Another possibility, any psychosis Ivans was experiencing could have been chemically induced. You don't think that a government agency such as the FBI can't contaminate his water, or his food, or even the air he is breathing in his house with an appropriate drug that would induce dire feelings of depression? Shit, I'm supposed to be taking a blood-pressure pill (Monopril) but mostly don't because it make me feel so depressed! Ya' think maybe that "The Community" doesn't have specific drugs that produce the desire for suicide? Was Ivans taking any meds and where was he getting them? With the "Man" watching his every move 24/7, the government's spooks also knew when to change out those pills in his medicine chest to something more to their liking. For a certainty, no legitimate autopsy will be performed on his carcass. Actually this incident just seems to be a liberal variation of the Forrestal suicide back in '49. This poor guy never had a chance. DanD

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... sean said on 8/2/2008 @ 7:25 pm PT...





Plunger, thanks for your posts. I'm a reader here and your posts are 100% relevant to this story as they are all interlinked. It appears only one other poster is bothered by you posting, perhaps he should "mellow out" as brad would remove the posts himself if he found them distracting. We need more discussion, not self-anointed moderators saying who can't say what. So please, continue posting because it does add to the discussion. {Ed Note: I'm a she, sean, and I love his posting; I just need to keep it fair. Other people like to post huge copy and pastes of stuff they don't trust people to follow the links to read, and it isn't fair to them to break the rules for plunger. Plus, many, many, many people outright hate long comments, wanting to skim, or wanting to be able to find comments on the thread without losing their place by scrolling through long patches. So all around I think our policy is darn fair to everyone. And did you catch so much as a hint of me accusing plunger of being off topic? Or trying to make him go away? You did not. --99}

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Bruce Sims said on 8/2/2008 @ 9:58 pm PT...





Well, WaPo has apparently changed it's reporting because following the link leads to a story that does not have the words 'no access' in it and does have "Ivins had easy access to anthrax bacteria, including the specific strain of Bacillus anthracis used in the attacks on media outlets and congressional offices in the fall of 2001. His expertise eventually earned him a front-row seat for the FBI's investigation, as he was called upon to help the bureau with its analysis of the wispy powder used in the attacks." in it. Hmmmmm.

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/2/2008 @ 10:15 pm PT...





How about this therapist Jean Duley being instantly quoted all over the place. She says: "As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people, either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels that he's been slighted or has had - especially toward women - he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killings," Duley said. She added that Ivins "has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic, homicidal killer. I have that in evidence. And through my working with him, I also believe that to be very true." So, therapist Jean Duly says Ivins tried to murder people as far back as 2000, huh? And several top scientists (who??? btw) say he was a sociopathic, homocidal killer! And yet they didn't feel the need to stop him from working with anthrax! What the hell is going on here???

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/2/2008 @ 10:19 pm PT...





Has anyone done background on therapist Zelikow...I mean Jean Duley??? I love the way she's the star quotable person on this whole matter right out of the woodwork! Doesn't that always happen? How many time are these "expert witnesses" in the media related to 9/11 going to get quoted like this without us knowing a thing about them???

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/2/2008 @ 10:22 pm PT...





I'm not saying I believe her credibility or not, but I've seen this before with 9/11 related things where the quotable person to put the thing to bed comes out of nowhere and no one checks on them! Let's check this time, please! Have we seen the "expert witness in the media" before? Yes or no? Or is this the first time ever?

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/3/2008 @ 1:45 am PT...





Wayne Madsen Reports on US Government attacking its own citizens with Anthrax in the aftermath of its 9/11 attacks: http://portland.indymedi.../08/378054.shtml?discuss

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/3/2008 @ 2:14 am PT...



COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/3/2008 @ 2:17 am PT...





“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.” Michael Rivera

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/3/2008 @ 2:44 am PT...





Spell SAIC backwards... CIA's SAIC was commissioned by G. W. Bush in 2002 to construct a replica of a mobile WMD laboratory of the sort used by Saddam. This mock up, supposedly destined to be used to train teams searching for WMDs in Iraq, was designed by Stephen Hatfill, the WMD expert now being harangued into isolation and thus silence by Bush's FBI. Last spring, the Bush administration handed SAIC some of the biggest defense contract plums to be had -a billion-dollar chunk of the NexGen business and an unbelievably porky 10-year contract worth over $600 million." http://www.mail-archive....v.aol.com/msg107176.html http://www.warprofiteers.com/article.php?id=7892 http://en.wikipedia.org/...nternational_Corporation In January 1999, new SAIC consultant Steven Hatfill and his collaborator, SAIC vice president Joseph Soukup, commissioned William C Patrick (a retired leading figure in the old US bioweapons program) to report on the possibilities of terrorist anthrax mailings in the United States. (There had been a spate of hoax anthrax mailings in the previous two years.) Barbara Hatch Rosenberg said that the report was commissioned "under a CIA contract to SAIC". However, SAIC said Hatfill and Soukup commissioned it internally — there was no outside client. Patrick produced his 28-page report in February 1999. Some subsequently saw it as a "blueprint" for the 2001 anthrax attacks. The report suggested the maximum amount of anthrax powder --- 2.5 grams --- that could be put in an envelope without producing a suspicious bulge. This was just a little more than the actual amounts --- 2 grams each --- in the letters sent to Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. But the report also suggested that a terrorist might produce a spore concentration of 50 billion spores per gram. This was only one-twentieth the actual concentration --- 1 trillion spores per gram --- in the letters sent to the Senators

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 8/3/2008 @ 3:14 am PT...





Raytheon is a darling of Carlyle Group. Raytheon, maker of Patriot and Tomahawk missiles, watched its stock take off after the attacks. Purchases of call options contracts on Raytheon stock increased sixfold on September 10, 2001. The Raytheon option contracts made money, if shares were more than $25 each. The price zoomed up nearly 37 percent to $34.04 during the first week after post 9/11 trading. Parenthetically, Raytheon had also been hit with millions of dollars in fines for padding costs of equipment it sold to the US military. Raytheon also has a hush-hush subsidiary, E-Systems, whose clients include the CIA and NSA, the latter about to make a hostile takeover of the other. CLEARLY, Bets were placed in advance of 9/11 with foreknowledge of 9/11. This isn't just War Profiteering, this is TERROR PROFITEERING. Raytheon had a DIRECT role in 9/11. http://www.rinf.com/colu...theon-connection-to-9-11 The A-3 Skywarrior that hit the Pentagon was owned by Raytheon. It was guided by Sysplan's (FTS) technology. http://www.rense.com/general70/safe.htm I remember the first conversation I had with Karen Kwiatkowski, a retired Lieutenant Colonel who was in the Pentagon that day. She is the lady that went public about the Office of Special Plans where they were falsifying the intelligence regarding Iraq. She vividly remembers being downstairs and around the corner in about 10 minutes to help get people out and the FBI agents were at the CITGO station confiscating the video tapes of what hit the Pentagon. Other eyewitnesses have stated that they smelled explosives such as cordite, not burning jet fuel. Those were military witnesses that know that exploded ordnance smells like. What little video evidence there is does show a white trail of smoke before the Pentagon explosion. Jet fuel burns dark at sea level and jets do not leave white contrails at sea level. What does leave a white trail of smoke at all elevations is the solid fuel of a rocket, Thiokol in most rockets being the type of solid fuel. DOV ZAKHEIM - 9/11 co-conspirator: http://onlinejournal.com...blish/article_1047.shtml

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/3/2008 @ 4:15 am PT...





Big Dan #37, That's why I was hmm-ing on my comment about Duley @ #5. She just happens to have an article about herself posted four weeks before Mr. Ivins offs himself, go read the link up there...What are the odds of that happening?, was it a pre-emptive credibility boosting article? again, hmm...

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/3/2008 @ 5:26 am PT...





Dude here picks up on it: Ms. Jean Duley was/is(?) a social worker for a company in Maryland that Dr. Ivins attended at least ONE group session with. Now, every single comment in the news headlines about Dr. Ivins being a psychopath or wanting to kill people, every single one of them, comes from what they call “court documents” from Maryland. And they ALL refer to the ONE handwritten document filed by Ms. Jean Duley, two days before Dr. Ivins reported suicide. This is the entire case for Dr. Ivins being a homicidal maniac. AND SHE ADMITS IN THE DOCUMENT THAT THE FBI HAS ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HER!

Meaning, the FBI, the same agency that screwed up the Hatfill case so bad the government had to pay him 5.8 million tax-payer dollars less than a MONTH before all of this took place, that SAME FBI spoke to Ms. Jean Duley… and then she goes into court in the morning and files this report THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT ANYONE CAN USE TO INCRIMINATE DR. IVINS! Link

You don't have to like the source, but these are legitimate questions he asks in this post.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/3/2008 @ 5:43 am PT...





Now we get this: One media report said Duley was no longer employed at the mental health center where she treated Ivins. Was she let go for nonprofessional behavior? Link From my link at #5, just a month ago she was: program director at Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick. Yuh, uh huh

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/3/2008 @ 5:49 am PT...





Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all. Just like tactics to scare people, like the Harry & Louise propaganda from the 90's, target those with health care...not the 50 million without it. The 50 million without health care are ignored by all. How do you stop universal health care? Put on a propaganda campaign to scare those with health care!

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... poomo said on 8/3/2008 @ 2:54 pm PT...



COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... hANOVER fIST said on 8/3/2008 @ 6:44 pm PT...





I just had an epiphany: So...the reason given for the lackluster response to the events of September 11th, 2001, is that there was a "drill" in place that simulated the actual terror event? Doesn't that mean that OUR ADMINISTRATION FAILED UTTERLY TO PROTECT OUR NATION? This wasn't a dry run; there must have been practice drills leading up to this...AND THEY FAILED!!! Come on...wouldn't uo FIRE these incompentents? Yet, many of them were PROMOTED. As far as the Anthrax false-flag...they can't place Dr. Bruce E. Ivins at the Urban Moving Systems facitily in Weehauken, NJ...but they can place Lt. Col. Philip Zack...

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... canu said on 8/4/2008 @ 6:17 am PT...



COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Pattricia Morgan MSW, LCSW-C said on 8/4/2008 @ 8:43 pm PT...

