Reply to this post | Go Back edit] Poster: dstanme Date: Jan 7, 2007 10:19am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: conspiracy theory??

There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.



The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposed

them: the hippies.



It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The

subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.



Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star->St Stephen->Eleven->Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.



By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and to

help identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of more

importance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.



Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.



A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.



As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.



The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell who

edited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.



So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.



That's the whole story.



"BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"



Track listing Actual Source

------------ ---------------

1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/77

2.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/77

3.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/77

4.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/77

5.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/77

6.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/77

7.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/77

8.Supplication [4:21] "

9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/77

10.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/77

11.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/77

12.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)



Set II:



13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???

14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???

15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/77

16.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/76

17.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the

18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA

19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76



Encore:



20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77



[this is something I sent to David Gans after he announced that he

would be playing excerpts from this "show" on the Grateful Dead Hour.

Given the, ah, wide range of opinions elicited by this show, I figured

this would come in handy.]





OFFICIAL 5-8-77 COMPLAINT FORM



(please check all that apply)





Why are you wasting

[ ] your time

[ ] our time

[ ] precious FM bandwidth

...by playing 5-8-77?



Everybody on the planet already

[ ] knows that show is completely overrated.

[ ] has a copy.

[ ] is waiting to buy this show as a Dick's Pick.

[ ] owns the bootleg.

[ ] has figured out that the show never even happened.



When I listen to the Grateful Dead Hour, I want to hear

[ ] More Pigpen shows.

[ ] More Brent shows.

[ ] More Vince shows.

[ ] y dont U plays ome PHISH!!!!??



If you were going to play that show anyway, why didn't you play

[ ] The complete "Lazy Lightning/Supplication"?

[ ] My copy, which is A+++++++++++++ sound quality?

[ ] 5-9-77 instead?



Why didn't you include an interview with

[ ] Dennis McNally?

[ ] Rob Eaton?

[ ] Mickey Hart?

[ ] Phil's liver?

[ ] jeff .tiedrich?

[ ] Brew Ziggins?

[ ] Chyna Kate?



In the future, please refrain from playing:

[ ] Any show that we've already heard before.

[ ] Any show that is in any way "overrated".

[ ] Any show that is not a "classic".

[ ] Any show that is not from 1973.

[ ] Any show that didn't actually happen.



____



and

Um..here's an interview with nutcase/presidential candidate, Lyndon

LRouche:......





LaROUCHE: He was pro-Nazi.(Carl Jung) He was an occultist, satanic cultism.

I don't know if he went as far as (Aleister) Crowley did in identifying

Satan, but it was the same structure. Allen Dulles(C.I.A. director) was very

close to this crowd personally. As to what was going on in Allen's mind at

this time I don't fully know. But then you get the MK-ULTRA operation.



60 Greatest Conspiracies: The mind control operation?



LaROUCHE: That was an Allen Dulles period operation which was run together

with the occult types in British intelligence, such as Aldous Huxley. And

also Gregory Bateson who created, for example, the Grateful Dead out of an

MK-ULTRA operation at the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospital where he was

supervising. The first United States-grown rock group of that type, the

Grateful Dead, was generated as a British intelligence operation by the

Occult Bureau of Huxley and bateson out of the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospital

where they were doing LSD and related experiments.



60 Greatest Conspiracies: Why would British intelligence want to put out a

rock roup?



LaROUCHE: Well, this is part of the Satanism business. Call it the

counterculture. Call it the Dionysius model of the counterculture. Rock is

essentially a revival of the ancient Dionysic, Bacchic rituals. Lots of

people or long periods of time in that kind of particular rhythmic ritual

which was probably struck upon empirically many thousands of years ago for

this type of cult. It does have a relationship to the Alpha rhythms of the

brain. It does produce these sorts of states. If combined with a little

alcohol and more, shall we say, mood shaping substances, with youth, with

funny sex, this does produce a profound change of a countercultural type.



Another word for it: New Age. the longer term: age of Aquarius. People were

experimenting with various utopian models, constructing small groups

experimentally which were considered New Age types. How to create

experimental types that might survive the aftermath of a general nuclear

war.



60 Greatest Conspiracies: Was this whole trend continued after Dulles'

departure?



LaROUCHE: He was not the controlling factor. I wouldn't make him the evil

black widow spider. He was part of it. The operation goes way back. But in

the United States this particular operation goes to about 1938. The Nazis

were operating in the 1930s out of Hollywood and elsewhere with an occult

astrology racket kind of intelligence operation.



At that point the Huxley operation out there which is already established,

the marijuana operation and so forth in the 1930s, was already hooked up.

1963 I would say was a watershed year for explosion of this thing, around

the LSD, Beatles proliferation. And then you have another one in recent

years where explicit Satanism has really exploded.

-clarson, gdvault@gmail.com There's been a lot of talk lately about the legendary fake show on 5/8/77. I've kept my silence on the subject for 22 years ... now it's finally time to come clean on the whole subject.The whole idea began back in late 1969/early 1970. The Department of Defense and the CIA were very disappointed by the way the Vietnam War was progressing. Not only were we losing but, more importantly, the US public did not approve of the war and, worse yet, weren't believing everything the military said about what was happening. This was an unprecedented event. Every other recent war was viewed positively by the public ... or at least with apathy in the case of Korea. Something had to be done. They decided to take a page from the Soviets and experiment with mind control. Together with Disney and a fledgling computer company called Microsoft, they set out to prove that brainwashing could really work on the very people who opposedthem: the hippies.It isn't widely known but Cornell was actually the second test of these mind control procedures. The first occurred in mid-1975 and was a dismal failure. 2 major mistakes were made. First, they picked the one time that the Dead were not touring. This created all sorts of problems with the subject audience. The more serious mistake was in not updating the criteria of the experiment. Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. Thesubjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle.Unfortunately, no tapes have been found from this first experiment. That's a real shame because the version of Dark Star->St Stephen->Eleven->Lovelight used was supposedly the best ever. After a few drinks, the original scientists still speak in awe about the music heard that day.By Nov 1977, everyone was ready for the second test. This time, they learned from their mistakes. A small group of college students were hired to attend shows from 1976 through 1977. Our job was to collect tapes of the Dead's performances, select which tunes to use, and tohelp identify subjects for the upcoming experiment. The location and date were chosen with equal care. It was a off-day during the tour and the location close enough to the real concerts to be believed. Of moreimportance was the late snowfall that day. That unusual and easily confirmed event provided the glue that would hold the implanted memories together. Even now 22 years later, people "remembering" that concert use almost identical words to describe leaving the show.Overall, the experiment was a great success. Of course, some people were given slightly different memories. Some, like Teddy Goodbear, "remember" taping the show and were even provided "Audience" tapes to further cement the hoax. Still others remember getting "horribly smashed" up front. None of this actually occurred.A week after the "concert" experiment, a 2nd test was done on the town of Cornell itself. In order to perfect this hoax, the town itself must also be convinced that the concert took place. Disney had acquired owner- ship of all the local TV and radio stations through dummy corporations. Using special chips developed by Microsoft, they played sublimbminal messages to every man, woman and child in a 100 mile radius of Barton Hall. For the most part, this programming still holds today although some people did prove resistant to the message.As far as the source of the music, for the most part the list posted by "brew ziggins" is correct. The only mystery remaining is the Scarlet-> Fire. That was actually performed by the Dead specifically for this experiment. Since Jerry worked for the CIA, it was easy to convince him and the rest of the band to go along. Plus he liked the idea of "pranking" a large group of people like this. The fabled 2/6/77 "take a step back" rehearsal tape is also from material taped for these experiments.The soundboard tapes in circulation were leaked by Betty O'Connell whoedited the original tapes. I don't know if it was just a coincidence or not, but they were leaked at about the same time as the tapes recorded by Betty Cantor were found. In any event, they became part of the so-called "Betty Boards". Leaking these tapes also provided the first cracks in the hoax to appear since the tapes were distributed to people who were not in the experiment and who knew that no show was performed that day. It was necessary to obtain their silence through blackmail, bribery and in extreme cases, mind control itself. That's also how this "show" came to be listed in all the popular Dead show guides like DeadBase.So what's happened to these mind control techniques used in this experiment? Microsoft has used this power to become one of the biggest, most influential companies in history. They sure didn't become that big by providing quality products. It was used to shape public reaction to the Gulf War. It's also clear that George Bush never understood the full power of these methods. . There are also indications that this technology might explain the otherwise unbelievable popularity of rap music.That's the whole story."BARTON HALL, ITHACA, NY 5/8/77 -- The Show That Never Happened"Track listing Actual Source------------ ---------------1.Minglewood Blues [4:47] Winterland 3/20/772.Loser [7:30] Springfield 4/23/773.El Paso [4:22] Chicago 5/13/774.They Love Each Other [6:59] Lakeland 5/21/775.Jack Straw [6:00] Tempe 10/6/776.Deal [5:43] St. Paul 5/11/777.Lazy Lightnin' [3:29] > St. Louis 5/15/778.Supplication [4:21] "9.Brown-Eyed Women [5:12] Winterland 6/8/7710.Mama Tried [2:37] Seattle 9/29/7711.Row Jimmy [10:52] Fox, Atlanta 5/19/7712.Dancin' in the Streets [15:43] Pembroke Pines 5/22/77 (DP3)Set II:13.Scarlet Begonias [9:14] > ???14.Fire on the Mountain [15:21] ???15.Estimated Prophet [8:32] Passaic NJ 4/27/7716.St. Stephen [4:43] > Mostly Passaic NJ 6/18/7617.Not Fade Away [16:22] > with some tricky splicing of the18.St. Stephen [1:53] > middle of an unidentified NFA19.Morning Dew [13:36] Cow Palace 12/31/76Encore:20.One More Saturday Night [4:54] Springfield 4/23/77[this is something I sent to David Gans after he announced that hewould be playing excerpts from this "show" on the Grateful Dead Hour.Given the, ah, wide range of opinions elicited by this show, I figuredthis would come in handy.]OFFICIAL 5-8-77 COMPLAINT FORM(please check all that apply)Why are you wasting[ ] your time[ ] our time[ ] precious FM bandwidth...by playing 5-8-77?Everybody on the planet already[ ] knows that show is completely overrated.[ ] has a copy.[ ] is waiting to buy this show as a Dick's Pick.[ ] owns the bootleg.[ ] has figured out that the show never even happened.When I listen to the Grateful Dead Hour, I want to hear[ ] More Pigpen shows.[ ] More Brent shows.[ ] More Vince shows.[ ] y dont U plays ome PHISH!!!!??If you were going to play that show anyway, why didn't you play[ ] The complete "Lazy Lightning/Supplication"?[ ] My copy, which is A+++++++++++++ sound quality?[ ] 5-9-77 instead?Why didn't you include an interview with[ ] Dennis McNally?[ ] Rob Eaton?[ ] Mickey Hart?[ ] Phil's liver?[ ] jeff .tiedrich?[ ] Brew Ziggins?[ ] Chyna Kate?In the future, please refrain from playing:[ ] Any show that we've already heard before.[ ] Any show that is in any way "overrated".[ ] Any show that is not a "classic".[ ] Any show that is not from 1973.[ ] Any show that didn't actually happen.____andUm..here's an interview with nutcase/presidential candidate, LyndonLRouche:......LaROUCHE: He was pro-Nazi.(Carl Jung) He was an occultist, satanic cultism.I don't know if he went as far as (Aleister) Crowley did in identifyingSatan, but it was the same structure. Allen Dulles(C.I.A. director) was veryclose to this crowd personally. As to what was going on in Allen's mind atthis time I don't fully know. But then you get the MK-ULTRA operation.60 Greatest Conspiracies: The mind control operation?LaROUCHE: That was an Allen Dulles period operation which was run togetherwith the occult types in British intelligence, such as Aldous Huxley. Andalso Gregory Bateson who created, for example, the Grateful Dead out of anMK-ULTRA operation at the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospital where he wassupervising. The first United States-grown rock group of that type, theGrateful Dead, was generated as a British intelligence operation by theOccult Bureau of Huxley and bateson out of the Palo Alto Veteran's Hospitalwhere they were doing LSD and related experiments.60 Greatest Conspiracies: Why would British intelligence want to put out arock roup?LaROUCHE: Well, this is part of the Satanism business. Call it thecounterculture. Call it the Dionysius model of the counterculture. Rock isessentially a revival of the ancient Dionysic, Bacchic rituals. Lots ofpeople or long periods of time in that kind of particular rhythmic ritualwhich was probably struck upon empirically many thousands of years ago forthis type of cult. It does have a relationship to the Alpha rhythms of thebrain. It does produce these sorts of states. If combined with a littlealcohol and more, shall we say, mood shaping substances, with youth, withfunny sex, this does produce a profound change of a countercultural type.Another word for it: New Age. the longer term: age of Aquarius. People wereexperimenting with various utopian models, constructing small groupsexperimentally which were considered New Age types. How to createexperimental types that might survive the aftermath of a general nuclearwar.60 Greatest Conspiracies: Was this whole trend continued after Dulles'departure?LaROUCHE: He was not the controlling factor. I wouldn't make him the evilblack widow spider. He was part of it. The operation goes way back. But inthe United States this particular operation goes to about 1938. The Naziswere operating in the 1930s out of Hollywood and elsewhere with an occultastrology racket kind of intelligence operation.At that point the Huxley operation out there which is already established,the marijuana operation and so forth in the 1930s, was already hooked up.1963 I would say was a watershed year for explosion of this thing, aroundthe LSD, Beatles proliferation. And then you have another one in recentyears where explicit Satanism has really exploded.-clarson, gdvault@gmail.com

Reply to this post edit] Poster: dyermaker81 Date: Jan 7, 2007 10:59am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I am sure you will say it was edited out...but i started to compare songs from 5/8 to the ones that you said were the real tracks...and right away they don't match.



Minglewood...second line...



3/20: SAID I was born in a desert.

5/8: I was born in a desert.



Bobby uses the word SAID to begin the line on 3/20 and not on 5/8.



When I have more time I will go through the rest of the songs. I am sure you will say it was edited out...but i started to compare songs from 5/8 to the ones that you said were the real tracks...and right away they don't match.Minglewood...second line...3/20: SAID I was born in a desert.5/8: I was born in a desert.Bobby uses the word SAID to begin the line on 3/20 and not on 5/8.When I have more time I will go through the rest of the songs.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Jan 7, 2007 10:41am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? what are you on to think of this???



this is some evil conspiracy theory to believe in another conspiracy theory therefore trying make make the companies look evil when we are all sitting here conspirisizing using microsoft software/comps



This post was modified by TheGreat_and_Knowledgable on 2007-01-07 18:41:12 what are you on to think of this???this is some evil conspiracy theory to believe in another conspiracy theory therefore trying make make the companies look evil when we are all sitting here conspirisizing using microsoft software/compsThis post was modified by TheGreat_and_Knowledgable on 2007-01-07 18:41:12

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 11:02am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Not to be a ballbuster (well, maybe), this post was posted word for word about a year ago on another forum.



Original stuff, please. Not to be a ballbuster (well, maybe), this post was posted word for word about a year ago on another forum.Original stuff, please.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 7, 2007 11:17am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Just to clarify...are you just toying with me, vis a vis conspiricists, OR are you serious--it is just a re post? Not that that really matters, as it seems better to know someone cut and pasted rather than went to all that effort, de novo, but an acknowledgement might be in order? Just to clarify...are you just toying with me, vis a vis conspiricists, OR are you serious--it is just a re post? Not that that really matters, as it seems better to know someone cut and pasted rather than went to all that effort, de novo, but an acknowledgement might be in order?

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 11:55am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Yes. It was posted on organissimo.org a year ago. I responded to it with a description of what it was like on campus that day., what with the cardboard cutouts of the band and all.



You have to excuse me folks, but I taught Freshman comp etc. for too many years. I have a personal issue with plagiarism. I would have placed some quotes around this turkey and added" found this on another board--tell me it ain't so.



Just in my blood. BTW The ongoing dead thread on organissimo is pretty good. It's more straightforward discussion without the attacks or the personal digressions. A friendly place, inquisitive and knowledgeable, but slow to keep posts coming.



Besides, there's some pest named Orchiddoctor who keeps thinking he's better than everyone else and won't shut up. Yes. It was posted on organissimo.org a year ago. I responded to it with a description of what it was like on campus that day., what with the cardboard cutouts of the band and all.You have to excuse me folks, but I taught Freshman comp etc. for too many years. I have a personal issue with plagiarism. I would have placed some quotes around this turkey and added" found this on another board--tell me it ain't so.Just in my blood. BTW The ongoing dead thread on organissimo is pretty good. It's more straightforward discussion without the attacks or the personal digressions. A friendly place, inquisitive and knowledgeable, but slow to keep posts coming.Besides, there's some pest named Orchiddoctor who keeps thinking he's better than everyone else and won't shut up.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:20pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? "There's nothing you can do that can't be done.

Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.

Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.

It's easy.

Nothing you can make that can't be made.

No one you can save that can't be saved.

Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.

It's easy.

Nothing you can know that isn't known.

Nothing you can see that isn't shown.

Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.

It's easy.

All you need is love."



I put it on quotes so to satisfy your arrogant bullshit post slamming and judging someone again. Do you need more like copy right data too to make my post creditable for an online messaging board for a bunch of regular nonscholastic people? Yeah I am stiring the drama pot or harshing your mellow. I'll let you decide? "There's nothing you can do that can't be done.Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.It's easy.Nothing you can make that can't be made.No one you can save that can't be saved.Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.It's easy.Nothing you can know that isn't known.Nothing you can see that isn't shown.Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.It's easy.All you need is love."I put it on quotes so to satisfy your arrogant bullshit post slamming and judging someone again. Do you need more like copy right data too to make my post creditable for an online messaging board for a bunch of regular nonscholastic people? Yeah I am stiring the drama pot or harshing your mellow. I'll let you decide?

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Sainted Stephen Date: Jan 7, 2007 4:12pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Lurker says: lay off! If honesty isn't what counts, what does? Lurker says: lay off! If honesty isn't what counts, what does?

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 7, 2007 4:51pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Pretenous snobbery and constant criticism of others I guess counts as a good thing to do to you. I tell you what, if everybody lay off each other including me, these trivial matters wouldn't be happening. The guy posted something innocently enough and the elite wanna be decided to piss on his turf. Then later decides "just kidding" and you applaude him for honesty? The only thing honest is me telling him to shut up. (copyrighted 2007) Pretenous snobbery and constant criticism of others I guess counts as a good thing to do to you. I tell you what, if everybody lay off each other including me, these trivial matters wouldn't be happening. The guy posted something innocently enough and the elite wanna be decided to piss on his turf. Then later decides "just kidding" and you applaude him for honesty? The only thing honest is me telling him to shut up. (copyrighted 2007)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Sainted Stephen Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:09pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Not HIS honesty, HIS! Or whoever dstaneme is... Not HIS honesty, HIS! Or whoever dstaneme is...

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:16pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Oh I am an idiot, I thought you were targeting me because it was under my post, my fault. Sorry but I agree with you it was unnecessary for HIM to do that too. Sorry once again to you. Glad you spoke up and I hope you lurk no more. This place needs new blood in a bad way. I myself was going to stop posting on here all together but decided differently and would face the bullshit from a few around here head on until it stops or whatever happens. Ive been called the anti-anti hippie before and have no problem speaking out against what I perceive to be hypcritcal stuff. Not everybody needs to be peacful and content especially in the face of pretenous snobbery. Oh I am an idiot, I thought you were targeting me because it was under my post, my fault. Sorry but I agree with you it was unnecessary for HIM to do that too. Sorry once again to you. Glad you spoke up and I hope you lurk no more. This place needs new blood in a bad way. I myself was going to stop posting on here all together but decided differently and would face the bullshit from a few around here head on until it stops or whatever happens. Ive been called the anti-anti hippie before and have no problem speaking out against what I perceive to be hypcritcal stuff. Not everybody needs to be peacful and content especially in the face of pretenous snobbery.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:25pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I was afraid I might stir the pot. Sorry. I just wanted to point out that a good quote or a good link is always a joy to read; but having seen it elsewhere . . . . And, mind you, we all quote snippets without marks.



The post was still good, and right on target. It lampooned a sacred show that is given waaaaay too much exposure at the expense of so many great shows from that era. I'm one of those fools who feel that I could never pick a best show--not from a year or even a tour. Feb 13 or 14, 1970? Toss up. Europe '72? My God--I wouldn't even try. 1969--ha! And 1977 is such a watershed year. They had 1976 to get the new sound where they wanted it, and they played consistently well as a result--as consistent as Fall 1972. If you like that period, it's all great.



On a board that thrives on (I hope) friendly harpooning and dissent, the given post was a perfect coda to the debate, regardless of where it came from.



Thanks for posting it.



By the way, Harpur College never happened either. Neither did the moon landing or the Kennedy assassination.

I was afraid I might stir the pot. Sorry. I just wanted to point out that a good quote or a good link is always a joy to read; but having seen it elsewhere . . . . And, mind you, we all quote snippets without marks.The post was still good, and right on target. It lampooned a sacred show that is given waaaaay too much exposure at the expense of so many great shows from that era. I'm one of those fools who feel that I could never pick a best show--not from a year or even a tour. Feb 13 or 14, 1970? Toss up. Europe '72? My God--I wouldn't even try. 1969--ha! And 1977 is such a watershed year. They had 1976 to get the new sound where they wanted it, and they played consistently well as a result--as consistent as Fall 1972. If you like that period, it's all great.On a board that thrives on (I hope) friendly harpooning and dissent, the given post was a perfect coda to the debate, regardless of where it came from.Thanks for posting it.By the way, Harpur College never happened either. Neither did the moon landing or the Kennedy assassination.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 7, 2007 9:21pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Actually Kennedy was indeed assasinated! I know because I did it!!! At the ripe old age of 11 I knew intuitively what was going to happen in Viet Nam and had bad feelings about the Cold War in general, so I hopped on my Stingray bicycle, peddaled to Dallas and shot him!



:) Actually Kennedy was indeed assasinated! I know because I did it!!! At the ripe old age of 11 I knew intuitively what was going to happen in Viet Nam and had bad feelings about the Cold War in general, so I hopped on my Stingray bicycle, peddaled to Dallas and shot him!:)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:11pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? if you were/are a lurker my friend, don't let this minor fracas make you want to leave - welcome to them forum :) - nice to have some new blood here!



if you were/are a lurker my friend, don't let this minor fracas make you want to leave - welcome to them forum :) - nice to have some new blood here!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Sainted Stephen Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:15pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? That is so sweet of you to say, but I prefer this approach. I check in every month or so when something really gets me going. I know a little about your situation and hope that your leg is better. That is so sweet of you to say, but I prefer this approach. I check in every month or so when something really gets me going. I know a little about your situation and hope that your leg is better.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:21pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? no problem man - hope you check in much more often that that in the near future!





thank you for the kind thoughts regarding my screwed up leg - very much appreciated - i find out more this wednesday (crossing my fingers). no problem man - hope you check in much more often that that in the near future!thank you for the kind thoughts regarding my screwed up leg - very much appreciated - i find out more this wednesday (crossing my fingers).

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Dancinbears Date: Jan 7, 2007 6:46pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? wow, I'm leaving this entire thread alone...

all I know is I wasn't involved!! =D lol!







Dire, what happens on wednesday? dr. appointment?



wow, I'm leaving this entire thread alone...all I know is I wasn't involved!! =D lol!Dire, what happens on wednesday? dr. appointment?

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 6:59pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Hi dancin



yup, yet another orthopedist appointment on wednesday for more xrays and yet another letdown :(



;)



who knows - crossing me fingers Hi dancinyup, yet another orthopedist appointment on wednesday for more xrays and yet another letdown :(;)who knows - crossing me fingers

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Dancinbears Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:02pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? don't think negative. :)



even thou you're pretty sure of the outcome, try and stay positive. one of these days this whole nightmare will be over.



I just was on 'hook and sent you a PM, but you left. did you join a vine? you need to put your e-mail address so it's a link to get to. use the @ symbol. and since your address isn't in your profile, just say 'please e-mail for address' or something like that. otherwise, you're good to go.



don't think negative. :)even thou you're pretty sure of the outcome, try and stay positive. one of these days this whole nightmare will be over.I just was on 'hook and sent you a PM, but you left. did you join a vine? you need to put your e-mail address so it's a link to get to. use the @ symbol. and since your address isn't in your profile, just say 'please e-mail for address' or something like that. otherwise, you're good to go.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:25pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? oops - put my email address, but spelled it out with the "and" rather than "link" mode - should i go back and edit???



got your PM and replied :) oops - put my email address, but spelled it out with the "and" rather than "link" mode - should i go back and edit???got your PM and replied :)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Dancinbears Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:39pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? got your PM and replied back. :)



yes, go fix. got your PM and replied back. :)yes, go fix.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:44pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? will do - thanks boss ;) will do - thanks boss ;)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:14pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? how 'bout them Pats??!!! how 'bout them Pats??!!!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:25pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? they look mighty sweet right now!!! (and the last several weeks) - Chargers better be looking out - Brady and Maroney are rollin thunder right now :) they look mighty sweet right now!!! (and the last several weeks) - Chargers better be looking out - Brady and Maroney are rollin thunder right now :)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:37pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I know a rusher name of Laurance Maroney

He's as skinny as a stick of macaroni

Oughta see him rock'n'roll with his blue jersey on

He's not very fat, just skin and bo-o-one



But I love him and he loves me

And oh how happy he makes me

Makin touchdowns for them Pats and me....



can i hijack a thread or not? :) I know a rusher name of Laurance MaroneyHe's as skinny as a stick of macaroniOughta see him rock'n'roll with his blue jersey onHe's not very fat, just skin and bo-o-oneBut I love him and he loves meAnd oh how happy he makes meMakin touchdowns for them Pats and me....can i hijack a thread or not? :)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 5:47pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? lmao - i love it :) lmao - i love it :)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:58pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? "I've kept my silence on the subject for _22_ years"



[not being partial to conspiracies, nor those who disseminate them, this was all the "proof" i needed to move on] "I've kept my silence on the subject for _22_ years"[not being partial to conspiracies, nor those who disseminate them, this was all the "proof" i needed to move on]

Reply to this post edit] Poster: dstanme Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:12pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I never said it was original!! I stumbled upon it read it, laughed and thought others might be amused as well. I didn't post it to raise any controversy...anyone else think folks here have been reacting a little hastily lately?? Please, a little less drama. Honestly Iexpect this kind of over reaction from my wife during a full moon, but not from you guys...



This post was modified by dstanme on 2007-01-07 20:12:41 I never said it was original!! I stumbled upon it read it, laughed and thought others might be amused as well. I didn't post it to raise any controversy...anyone else think folks here have been reacting a little hastily lately?? Please, a little less drama. Honestly Iexpect this kind of over reaction from my wife during a full moon, but not from you guys...This post was modified by dstanme on 2007-01-07 20:12:41

Reply to this post edit] Poster: mudcatbluez Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:36pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? dstan--that's why the ???? in my post. Utter confusion on my part cuz I wasn't sure if you were being tongue in cheek. The content/conspiracy theory made for some twisted reading...I mean, if Jerry really was a CIA operative it would've been leaked to the Washington Post by the Bee Gees and Billy Joel, who are actually NSA operatives assigned to subvert Western music.

But I can't talk about that now or Michael Jackson will be sending his pre-pubescent assassins out to silence me. They're easy to spot, though: short,young, & still walkin bowlegged from the Neverland Ranch Initiation ceremonies...



In spite of the more "stern" responses you seem to be garnering: don't let em throw ya. It made for some truly whacked reading.



Peace. dstan--that's why the ???? in my post. Utter confusion on my part cuz I wasn't sure if you were being tongue in cheek. The content/conspiracy theory made for some twisted reading...I mean, if Jerry really was a CIA operative it would've been leaked to the Washington Post by the Bee Gees and Billy Joel, who are actually NSA operatives assigned to subvert Western music.But I can't talk about that now or Michael Jackson will be sending his pre-pubescent assassins out to silence me. They're easy to spot, though: short,young, & still walkin bowlegged from the Neverland Ranch Initiation ceremonies...In spite of the more "stern" responses you seem to be garnering: don't let em throw ya. It made for some truly whacked reading.Peace.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:14pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? dstanme! damn funny post!! sheeeeze, anyone can see it's all too funny! and very entertaining!

If there was anyone who believed the tale or thought the original writer was serious....well, I have a bridge to sell! Of course, a lot of Deadheads did do a lot of drugs-lol! kudo's to you for that grand story. I pity the fool who would actually believe that story! dstanme! damn funny post!! sheeeeze, anyone can see it's all too funny! and very entertaining!If there was anyone who believed the tale or thought the original writer was serious....well, I have a bridge to sell! Of course, a lot of Deadheads did do a lot of drugs-lol! kudo's to you for that grand story. I pity the fool who would actually believe that story!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: dstanme Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:31pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Do you know how you can tell when its bed time at the Neverland Ranch? When the big hand is on the little hand... Do you know how you can tell when its bed time at the Neverland Ranch? When the big hand is on the little hand...

Reply to this post edit] Poster: mudcatbluez Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:47pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Neverland Foreplay: a Confidentiality Agreement and a "Psssst...are you awake?" from the King of Poop. Neverland Foreplay: a Confidentiality Agreement and a "Psssst...are you awake?" from the King of Poop.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:37pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Dstanme--sorry, I didn't in any way mean to come off as against the humor, the idea or anything to do with your post...It was more in the spirit of clarifying how we (I) do things here (I am always futzing with quotations, parens, etc., etc.) since I have only been doing this a couple of months.



Great, great reading. Dstanme--sorry, I didn't in any way mean to come off as against the humor, the idea or anything to do with your post...It was more in the spirit of clarifying how we (I) do things here (I am always futzing with quotations, parens, etc., etc.) since I have only been doing this a couple of months.Great, great reading.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:13pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? No drama intended. It is funny. As I said, I'm a pedant, it's in my blood. You'll notice that everyone else gives links or quotes when they want to share.



Yeah, I know, fuck off. Okay. No drama intended. It is funny. As I said, I'm a pedant, it's in my blood. You'll notice that everyone else gives links or quotes when they want to share.Yeah, I know, fuck off. Okay.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:17pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I have to agree with O doc here...as you both say, not a big deal, but I would be a little offended to find out that O doc's posts were in fact all ones he copied from some poster at another site, and not his own (even though you're right, he never told me they were original).



No drama involved, just wanting to feel open and honest about exchanges, and that is perhaps too much to expect in etherspace, but it does seem everyone here is pretty concerned with proper and improper forum behavior, though I guess we don't have any rule book and make it up as we go along, and that's why run on sentences are not yet outlawed or I'd be in deep shit... I have to agree with O doc here...as you both say, not a big deal, but I would be a little offended to find out that O doc's posts were in fact all ones he copied from some poster at another site, and not his own (even though you're right, he never told me they were original).No drama involved, just wanting to feel open and honest about exchanges, and that is perhaps too much to expect in etherspace, but it does seem everyone here is pretty concerned with proper and improper forum behavior, though I guess we don't have any rule book and make it up as we go along, and that's why run on sentences are not yet outlawed or I'd be in deep shit...

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:30pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? "Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. The

subjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle."







LOL



i don't care if he made it up or not -- those lines right there are just too funny..



"Due to typical government inefficiency, they used the 1969 version of the Dead that was playing when the program was conceived. The sudden appearance of Pigpen, who had died 2 years earlier, literally blew the minds of those in attendance. 6 months were spent erasing all traces of the "show" and carefully rebuilding as much of their minds as possible. Thesubjects were eventually released and most of them became evangelists, their only lingering memory of the whole experiment being an unshakeable belief that they'd witnessed a true miracle."LOLi don't care if he made it up or not -- those lines right there are just too funny..

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:27pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Oh, shit, you caught me at last.



Here's my latest post:



I have to agree with O doc here...as you both say, not a big deal, but I would be a little offended to find out that O doc's posts were in fact all ones he copied from some poster at another site, and not his own (even though you're right, he never told me they were original).



No drama involved, just wanting to feel open and honest about exchanges, and that is perhaps too much to expect in etherspace, but it does seem everyone here is pretty concerned with proper and improper forum behavior, though I guess we don't have any rule book and make it up as we go along, and that's why run on sentences are not yet outlawed or I'd be in deep shit...



Oh, shit, you caught me at last.Here's my latest post:I have to agree with O doc here...as you both say, not a big deal, but I would be a little offended to find out that O doc's posts were in fact all ones he copied from some poster at another site, and not his own (even though you're right, he never told me they were original).No drama involved, just wanting to feel open and honest about exchanges, and that is perhaps too much to expect in etherspace, but it does seem everyone here is pretty concerned with proper and improper forum behavior, though I guess we don't have any rule book and make it up as we go along, and that's why run on sentences are not yet outlawed or I'd be in deep shit...

Reply to this post edit] Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:49pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Mighty fine, mighty fine (okay, another quote from one of the boys: Bob, 1971...?). Anyhooo--mighty fine writin you've got there. Mighty fine, mighty fine (okay, another quote from one of the boys: Bob, 1971...?). Anyhooo--mighty fine writin you've got there.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: dstanme Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:19pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? No, don't fuck off, the link was quirky so I just copied it, figured it'd be okay. No, don't fuck off, the link was quirky so I just copied it, figured it'd be okay.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: tigerbolt Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:24pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? damn,i was hoping this would run a little longer.this has been a on going joke for a good twenty years now about cornell,i was first told of this in the early 90's,even the band,roadies and latvala went along with it in some interview's years ago.that's why i dropped a hint in the earlier post of cornell but alas i was mistaken and a prisoner was a taken.NEVER TRUST A PRANKSTER..FURTHUR ON. damn,i was hoping this would run a little longer.this has been a on going joke for a good twenty years now about cornell,i was first told of this in the early 90's,even the band,roadies and latvala went along with it in some interview's years ago.that's why i dropped a hint in the earlier post of cornell but alas i was mistaken and a prisoner was a taken.NEVER TRUST A PRANKSTER..FURTHUR ON.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Max Chorak Date: Jan 7, 2007 12:33pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? yeah you basta'd (orchid!!)



dstan had me going that he literally wrote that all up. anyhoo, that is just comedic gold. I read it again just now :) yeah you basta'd (orchid!!)dstan had me going that he literally wrote that all up. anyhoo, that is just comedic gold. I read it again just now :)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:24pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Just joking--letting the air out of my head lest someone wanders in and thinks it's too big. Regardless, I like the post because it pokes the ribs of those who hold Cornell, like 8-27-72--to be sacred! Just joking--letting the air out of my head lest someone wanders in and thinks it's too big. Regardless, I like the post because it pokes the ribs of those who hold Cornell, like 8-27-72--to be sacred!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 7, 2007 1:44pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? You werent kidding dont bullshit hide. You meant it and you know it. You werent kidding dont bullshit hide. You meant it and you know it.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:46pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Okay dude, ya got me. But we already know that I'm an asshole. I think you are absolutely correct in being so angry at me because I questioned someone's honesty. I suppose if you ever did write anything clever enough to rip off that you wouldn't mind it? Yeah, trying to deflate a criticism by poking fun at myself and by righting a partial wrong is bullshit. I'll try not to do that again. Happy now?



Oy, vey. People really just don't want to get along on this board. Everyone is looking for a fight. Everyone has a bone to pick. Everyone has to be right. Everyone has to be the top dog. Everyone has to be an asshole--oh, wait, we already agreed on that!



Say, aren't you the same person I emailed with explaining the intricacies of MKW? I must've forgotten to say you're welcome!



Okay dude, ya got me. But we already know that I'm an asshole. I think you are absolutely correct in being so angry at me because I questioned someone's honesty. I suppose if you ever did write anything clever enough to rip off that you wouldn't mind it? Yeah, trying to deflate a criticism by poking fun at myself and by righting a partial wrong is bullshit. I'll try not to do that again. Happy now?Oy, vey. People really just don't want to get along on this board. Everyone is looking for a fight. Everyone has a bone to pick. Everyone has to be right. Everyone has to be the top dog. Everyone has to be an asshole--oh, wait, we already agreed on that!Say, aren't you the same person I emailed with explaining the intricacies of MKW? I must've forgotten to say you're welcome!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 7:58pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? wow, and to think I didn't even jump in on this one - i must be slipping ;) wow, and to think I didn't even jump in on this one - i must be slipping ;)

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 7, 2007 8:14pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? You know it really isn't a big sin to point out that someone was pretending to have written a great spoof of cornell while not acknowledging the real writer. Once again, a tempest in a teapot. I said the post was hilarious regardless (and it is), yet the room still puts on it's gloves and looks for a meaningless, personally vindictive fight. Apologies, making nice--these things aren't bullshit.



You know, you just aren't worth it. There are much better gd forums, places where folks ask honest questions and look forward to honest answers without watching their thread die in the hands of the few who turn the post into a personal conversation. And where people neither give nor take offense.



This forum seems, as often as not, a place where certain posters just like to masturbate in public and others like to

take out their hostilities on strangers. You don't really have much to say, much to add to the music itself. So many posts are just tedious pokings at the infinite minutiae of this or that inflection in this or that song in this or that year or some other meaningless thread.



I have been told several times to get a life, as have many of you. I won't bother to regale you with the richness of my life, the happiness of my life, or how fulfilled I am as an individual. But I might suggest that some of you seriously consider getting lives or at least graduating to video games.



You just aren't worth it.



I'm off to get that life.







This post was modified by orchiddoctor on 2007-01-08 04:14:12 You know it really isn't a big sin to point out that someone was pretending to have written a great spoof of cornell while not acknowledging the real writer. Once again, a tempest in a teapot. I said the post was hilarious regardless (and it is), yet the room still puts on it's gloves and looks for a meaningless, personally vindictive fight. Apologies, making nice--these things aren't bullshit.You know, you just aren't worth it. There are much better gd forums, places where folks ask honest questions and look forward to honest answers without watching their thread die in the hands of the few who turn the post into a personal conversation. And where people neither give nor take offense.This forum seems, as often as not, a place where certain posters just like to masturbate in public and others like totake out their hostilities on strangers. You don't really have much to say, much to add to the music itself. So many posts are just tedious pokings at the infinite minutiae of this or that inflection in this or that song in this or that year or some other meaningless thread.I have been told several times to get a life, as have many of you. I won't bother to regale you with the richness of my life, the happiness of my life, or how fulfilled I am as an individual. But I might suggest that some of you seriously consider getting lives or at least graduating to video games.You just aren't worth it.I'm off to get that life.This post was modified by orchiddoctor on 2007-01-08 04:14:12

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Dancinbears Date: Jan 7, 2007 8:33pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Orchid.... no. I don't want you to leave.

If I am able to still be here after the months of what I've been through, then you don't give up either.





that's totally the opposite of what I said in a post a few days ago about respecting everybody's wishes, and understanding those who need to take a break. So since I'm being completely selfish I'm going to put on my cheerleader's uniform (once again) and say that all of Deadhook will welcome you, and I will be there to do it, too.



dancinbears4me@yahoo.com





This post was modified by Dancinbears on 2007-01-08 04:28:50



This post was modified by Dancinbears on 2007-01-08 04:33:52 Orchid.... no. I don't want you to leave.If I am able to still be here after the months of what I've been through, then you don't give up either.that's totally the opposite of what I said in a post a few days ago about respecting everybody's wishes, and understanding those who need to take a break. So since I'm being completely selfish I'm going to put on my cheerleader's uniform (once again) and say that all of Deadhook will welcome you, and I will be there to do it, too.dancinbears4me@yahoo.comThis post was modified by Dancinbears on 2007-01-08 04:28:50This post was modified by Dancinbears on 2007-01-08 04:33:52

Reply to this post edit] Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 7, 2007 8:22pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory??

WOW!!!! was that directed toward ME for THAT innocuous comment???? holy crap man, i surely hope not!!! damn dude WOW!!!! was that directed toward ME for THAT innocuous comment???? holy crap man, i surely hope not!!! damn dude

Reply to this post edit] Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Jan 8, 2007 5:41am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Not at you. In general.









But I will ask, Ssag: I do something to you personally for you to spend five posts in one thread flaming me for the high crime of calling someone out for plagiarizing? Friendly sort of a fellow. Temper, temper, my good man. Manners. And decent syntax, for God's sake.



This just isn't fun. Quitting the forum is not in direct response to a particular attack. It is in response to the general posturing and the lack of substance. I just really do not enjoy things around here. No significant discussion of particular concerts. Dr. Flahback is gone--shame, becaue he actually posted NEWS--and you all read it with gusto and responded. Gone. No articulation about what really makes the band work for you. No polite defense of why the Brent era is so hot. No threads that don't disintegrate into personal instant messages about booze or broken legs (and, I, too am sorry you are sitting on the sidelines, Dire--I just don't think threads about the music are the right spots for that. A separate thread would be better all around) or other off topic entries before the thread is ready to expire. Favorites and favoritism. Forum hogs. And people who simply cannot say "I think that was unfair or a little harsh." and then let it go. It's all too easy to take the bait, as I well know. These petty squabbles lead to some serious ugliness which pours a huge cloud over the purported proceedings. Since I came on this board, I have watched folks deliberately flame others without cause, get abusive,

joke about serious matters, and, for all of this, say very little about the Grateful Dead. Very little. And then the posts that get 100 reads but only 2 replies. What are the other 988 of you doing? (I don't even want to know). No opinion? No thoughts? I guess not. Gives new meaning to the term Dead Heads.



So it's like attending a club in which five guys stand on the podium whacking off while the rest of the members sit in their seats waiting for the big five to start to fight and then pretend they are really just buds. Meanwhile, the audience is sitting listlessly, waiting for someone to say something to make their trip to the auditorium worthwhile. And sometimes they do hear something. But mostly it's dribble and venom.



And eventually most of them get bored and leave.



It's just not fun.





Flames on, boys. Not at you. In general.But I will ask, Ssag: I do something to you personally for you to spend five posts in one thread flaming me for the high crime of calling someone out for plagiarizing? Friendly sort of a fellow. Temper, temper, my good man. Manners. And decent syntax, for God's sake.This just isn't fun. Quitting the forum is not in direct response to a particular attack. It is in response to the general posturing and the lack of substance. I just really do not enjoy things around here. No significant discussion of particular concerts. Dr. Flahback is gone--shame, becaue he actually posted NEWS--and you all read it with gusto and responded. Gone. No articulation about what really makes the band work for you. No polite defense of why the Brent era is so hot. No threads that don't disintegrate into personal instant messages about booze or broken legs (and, I, too am sorry you are sitting on the sidelines, Dire--I just don't think threads about the music are the right spots for that. A separate thread would be better all around) or other off topic entries before the thread is ready to expire. Favorites and favoritism. Forum hogs. And people who simply cannot say "I think that was unfair or a little harsh." and then let it go. It's all too easy to take the bait, as I well know. These petty squabbles lead to some serious ugliness which pours a huge cloud over the purported proceedings. Since I came on this board, I have watched folks deliberately flame others without cause, get abusive,joke about serious matters, and, for all of this, say very little about the Grateful Dead. Very little. And then the posts that get 100 reads but only 2 replies. What are the other 988 of you doing? (I don't even want to know). No opinion? No thoughts? I guess not. Gives new meaning to the term Dead Heads.So it's like attending a club in which five guys stand on the podium whacking off while the rest of the members sit in their seats waiting for the big five to start to fight and then pretend they are really just buds. Meanwhile, the audience is sitting listlessly, waiting for someone to say something to make their trip to the auditorium worthwhile. And sometimes they do hear something. But mostly it's dribble and venom.And eventually most of them get bored and leave.It's just not fun.Flames on, boys.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jan 8, 2007 7:26am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? I think that was unfair or a little harsh I think that was unfair or a little harsh

Reply to this post edit] Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 8, 2007 8:50am Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Dr flashback is gone?...maybe there was tragedy in his life, maybe he died....or is on a trek without computers at hand (ahhhhh! now that sounds appealing at times)

maybe-maybe!

Dr flashback is gone?...maybe there was tragedy in his life, maybe he died....or is on a trek without computers at hand (ahhhhh! now that sounds appealing at times)maybe-maybe!

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 7, 2007 9:37pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: conspiracy theory?? Okay dude, ya got me. But we already know that I'm an asshole. I think you are absolutely correct in being so angry at me because I questioned someone's honesty. I suppose if you ever did write anything clever enough to rip off that you wouldn't mind it? Yeah, trying to deflate a criticism by poking fun at myself and by righting a partial wrong is bullshit. I'll try not to do that again. Happy now?



Oy, vey. People really just don't want to get along on this board. Everyone is looking for a fight. Everyone has a bone to pick. Everyone has to be right. Everyone has to be the top dog. Everyone has to be an asshole--oh, wait, we already agreed on that!



Say, aren't you the same person I emailed with explaining the intricacies of MKW? I must've forgotten to say you're welcome!

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Nice spin....... I wasnt the one that jumped on someone first and now you are acting like a victum now? I don't understand that. I have one question to ask why is it okay for you to bash someone but when it comes back to you, you are all offended and write posts impying that we suck here and "I am leaving". I just don't get it. Whats with the "I am leaving" stuff anyhow? I cry for attention?



As far as that nice little sly devious cheap remark at the end. Hey weren't you the one that I sent a nice long email thank you? And wasn't it you that I wrote a nice long email discussing the issue about the missing person and what I thought and asking you not to leave this site but you couldn't be bothered to acknowledge or reply? Was that you? I don't remember? Oh yeah it was..... funny two can play this but only one can be direct and that sir isn't you. Okay dude, ya got me. But we already know that I'm an asshole. I think you are absolutely correct in being so angry at me because I questioned someone's honesty. I suppose if you ever did write anything clever enough to rip off that you wouldn't mind it? Yeah, trying to deflate a criticism by poking fun at myself and by righting a partial wrong is bullshit. I'll try not to do that again. Happy now?Oy, vey. People really just don't want to get along on this board. Everyone is looking for a fight. Everyone has a bone to pick. Everyone has to be right. Everyone has to be the top dog. Everyone has to be an asshole--oh, wait, we already agreed on that!Say, aren't you the same person I emailed with explaining the intricacies of MKW? I must've forgotten to say you're welcome!____________________________________________________________________________________________Nice spin....... I wasnt the one that jumped on someone first and now you are acting like a victum now? I don't understand that. I have one question to ask why is it okay for you to bash someone but when it comes back to you, you are all offended and write posts impying that we suck here and "I am leaving". I just don't get it. Whats with the "I am leaving" stuff anyhow? I cry for attention?As far as that nice little sly devious cheap remark at the end. Hey weren't you the one that I sent a nice long email thank you? And wasn't it you that I wrote a nice long email discussing the issue about the missing person and what I thought and asking you not to leave this site but you couldn't be bothered to acknowledge or reply? Was that you? I don't remember? Oh yeah it was..... funny two can play this but only one can be direct and that sir isn't you.

Reply to this post edit] Poster: Liamfinnegan Date: Jan 7, 2007 9:27pm Forum: GratefulDead Subject: There is a script running on the 5/8/77 landing page And it is not my PC folks- I went to the first aud copy and the landing page hung up my browser- if this was cut and paste dude, then you helped someone try to insert a trojan on my system- not intentionally, I am sure- am I?



Anyone else with good anti-trojan software want to try this out? And it is not my PC folks- I went to the first aud copy and the landing page hung up my browser- if this was cut and paste dude, then you helped someone try to insert a trojan on my system- not intentionally, I am sure- am I?Anyone else with good anti-trojan software want to try this out?