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Camelot One

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Greenwood, IN Camelot One MVM Government attack from within? Years ago I read a book in which an enemy of the United States set out on a plan to destroy the country by attacking from within. Their agents worked their way into key positions in politics and law enforcement, just so they could run those offices into the ground. No need to beat the Marines on the battlefield when you can put a guy in charge who orders them to do such stupid things that Congress dissolves the entire branch.



I am not enough of a conspiracy nut to think that is going on, but Litt certainly seems to be going out of his way to make the NSA look like an agency out of control. You would think he would try to hide it, not make it so obvious that even main stream media calls him on his bullshit statements.

cableties

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join:2005-01-27 cableties Premium Member Re: Government attack from within?



Kill more with a pen than a AR-15...



(I just make this up...but it sounds good!) That would be the mafia. You see, rather than fighting the feds, they enrolled their offspring into the finest law schools and now have them as junior legislators...eventually drafting laws for their companies and policies... what better cronies than family!Kill more with a pen than a AR-15...(I just make this up...but it sounds good!)

TechyDad

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USA TechyDad Premium Member Re: Government attack from within? Sounds a bit like the slogan to a webcomic I enjoy reading: evil-inc.com. In Evil, Inc, the world is full of superheroes and supervillians. The villians have gotten together and formed a company with the slogan: "You can do more evil if you do it legal."



While that's a nice, fun slogan for a comic book-esque world, it seems very sinister that it can also be applied to so many aspects of our world.

AnonMe

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When you look at everything going on in this country, and know the Obama's background, including his stated goals in his book, it is not such a far fetched concern.

battleop

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00000 battleop Member Al Franken



No matter he does good or bad I will never take this guy serious... »www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· direct=1

morbo

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00000 1 recommendation morbo Member Re: Al Franken Great point. Although I suppose we shouldn't take you seriously since you used to defecate in your diaper and pants as a child.

battleop

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00000 battleop Member Re: Al Franken I guess then you think George Bush is a great guy? If you can't hold previous things against Al Franken then you certainly can't hold them against GW. en103

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Arnold was governor too... EdmundGerber

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What a stupid opinion....



Morbo's post about diapers is fitting in this case...

woody7

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Torrance, CA woody7 Premium Member h all bu//$hit............................................... MaynardKrebs

We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee.

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Vietnam redux

We had to destroy the village in order to save it. 03667810 (banned)

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Grand Rapids, MI 03667810 (banned) Member Invasion of the Clowns What a bunch of clowns. This shouldn't be going on at all. biochemistry

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92361 biochemistry Premium Member Bank robber I am a bank robber who has robbed over 100 banks but I won't rob your bank because that would be stealing.

TechyDad

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USA TechyDad Premium Member Database count As someone who deals with databases regularly, this statement is either idiotic or they have the worst-designed database in existence. (Maybe both.) If I had a database of individuals' private information, I could craft a query to return the number of individuals without revealing any of their private info. Something like:



Select count(*) as 'NumberOfAmericansSpiedOn' from NSA_SPY_DIRECTORY where Citizenship = 'American' and Year(DateLastSpied) = 2013



This hypothetical query would return the number of Americans spied on in 2013. It wouldn't return their names, locations, or anything else. It definitely wouldn't impact their privacy any more than the initial spying did.

morbo

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00000 morbo Member Re: Database count If I can translate NSA to English:



NSA: "Counting the number of persons or US persons whose data is actually collected if they are not the target is impractical," insisted Litt. "That kind of information cannot be reasonably obtained."



ENGLISH: We collect it all. 100% of data from people in this country is collected. It's too embarrassing to admit directly, so we have to lie and tell half truths. CXM_Splicer

Looking at the bigger picture

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Database count Agreed. They know the number but don't want people to know that it is in the hundreds of millions.



Yes, we are collecting your data BUT you are not a target (yet) so it doesn't count. rradina

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I believe Morbo is on the right track. They collect it all and without prejudice, constantly mine it for interesting activity. Until they have something interesting, they violate everyone.



They'll argue that it's the same as census data and to a point, that's plausible. However, the difference between the small amount of data collected during a census and what the NSA collects is quite simply, beyond comprehension.



There's also truth to being an even greater violation if they try to classify what they've collected (i.e. citizen: true/false) in the absence of something interesting.



Of course this is what happens when you let the NSA collect everything without prejudice and apologize AFTER they accidentally ruin someone's marriage, occupation or reputation.

Aozora

join:2008-11-28 Aozora Member So, if I steal without knowing who I steal from I'm good? Just clarifying. So if it violates privacy to know who they spy on and not knowing is good then we can apply it to all kinds of things. So I'm guessing now killing someone is also fine as long as they don't know who they killed, right?



So hit and runs are fine. Why look for suspects?



RETARDED LOGIC. Need I say more?



Why persecute terrorists? They don't know who they are killing. They can kill Americans as long as they don't know who they kill. Their own logic.



So we don't need the NSA to spy on anyone since terrorists can now kill as long as they don't know who they kill... that would be murder. Not knowing is okay though.

Kilroy

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Saint Paul, MN 1 edit Kilroy MVM If the number>0 If it is one person, it is one person too many. If it is too many to count, then it is way too many. biochemistry

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92361 1 recommendation biochemistry Premium Member Liar Someone needs to throw this liar in prison and toss the key. MyDogHsFleas

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Austin, TX MyDogHsFleas Premium Member Get some perspective This is an open hearing. NSA is not going to reveal anything. Franken knows that he is just asking the question to score political points and try to make them look foolish. What the NSA responded doesn't matter and analyzing or criticizing it is pointless. This is just political theater. marctronixx

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Los Angeles, CA marctronixx Member Litt is full of S.. ....

DeadSurvivor

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Tampa, FL DeadSurvivor Premium Member Blah Blah Blah ... I Can Only Imagine All The Pointless Data Of Phone Conversations That Are Being Held.



"I Love You" ... "I Love You More" Phone Conversations And E-Mails ... Logged And Dated By The NSA. CXM_Splicer

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NYC 2 recommendations CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Blah Blah Blah ... But how else can we catch terrorists? Maybe your Chinese food order is the missing key that links the marathon bombers to Osama bin Laden.

fred_8765984

@spcsdns.net fred_8765984 Anon ... if they just had one whistleblower in the NSA dump a bunch of embarassing data on obamao or feinstein or harry reid or pelosi they would change the laws so fast your head would spin.

Carpie

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united state Carpie Member Umm... Knowing Which Americans We Spy On Would Violate Privacy...



...however the fact that we are spying on them is NOT a violation of policy?



Glad to know that the NSA has my back on respecting my privacy. OmagicQ

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Bakersfield, CA OmagicQ Member Re: Umm... NSA stands for Never Say Anything (incriminating)

jvmorris

I Am The Man Who Was Not There.

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Reston, VA jvmorris MVM This would be funny, . . . If it weren't true.



Unfortunately, it is true so it's not funny. your comment..

