Early last week, presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton took the stage at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds to deliver a speech about her economic plan. In a fiery address, she deployed a blueprint that politicians across the pond — specifically, U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron — ignored at their own peril: As often as she talked about her own plans, she trashed the economic policy of her Republican rival. “Donald Trump will drive America back into recession,” she insisted. “We can’t let Donald Trump bankrupt America the way he bankrupted his casinos. We need to write a new chapter in the American dream, and it can’t be Chapter 11.”

A few days later, U.K. voters in a referendum declared they wanted out of the European Union. Markets around the world crashed, wiping out a record $2 trillion in one day; Cameron announced his resignation; other EU member countries started readying their walking papers; and experts confident that the referendum would be a hard-to-remember blip suddenly realized how badly they’d played their side. The Remain camp hadn’t taken seriously enough the need to refute — claim for claim, over and over and in memorable language— the declarations of their opponents. Voters were angry and the Leave camp knew how to market to them.

Yesterday in Chicago, Clinton talked with LinkedIn about how she’s changing her approach and her campaign — if at all — post-Brexit. With one press manager by her side, she strolled into a conference room in Chicago's McCormick Place that we had converted into a pop-up studio. After some small talk, she began piecing through the current economic situation. She talked about the U.K. shockwave and the underlying currents that are driving unrest: rapidly changing employment conditions; jobs that require more out of employees — and yet are less dependable; and an education system that has saddled young people in career-limiting debt (we'll have more on that in a later post). Clinton had spent the morning with Elizabeth Warren in Cincinnati, so I couldn't resist also asking her if she was ready to reveal her VP.

What follows is an edited transcript of our interview:

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Dan Roth: Last week the U.K. voted to leave the E.U. and a lot of observers were very surprised by the outcome. What were you expecting to happen?

Hillary Clinton: Well, I was hoping for the best, but feared the vote that actually came through. Because I do think there is this undercurrent in advanced economies and democracies that it's just not working for a significant group of people. And I worried that the campaign to stay in the E.U. was not as emotionally effective in making their case, as the campaign to leave. But I'm no expert on British elections, so I was disappointed, but not surprised. Because it's clearly their decision, but there's been a lot of second guessing and a lot of regret being expressed now that I think shows that the campaign never really fully answered a lot of the issues that the country would have to face if they voted to leave.

Roth: A lot of people are saying that this was an amazing marketing campaign, that the "leave" side just did a better job of telling their story. Does it change at all how you run your own campaign?

Clinton: I don't see it as having a direct impact. I do agree, though, with the analysts who are saying, "Look, the leave campaign just told all kinds of false tales" and advertised on buses and in posters a lot of what they said would happen. And then, as soon as the vote came in, it was like, "Just kidding, you know, we don't really think we'll get £350 million to put in the National Health Service. And you know, we still are going to have immigrants coming from non-E.U. countries” and on and on. So I really fault the [Remain] campaign for not taking on all of those wrong, misleading claims.

Now we're not sitting around letting Donald Trump say whatever he wants to say, we are responding to what he does say, we are pointing out his intemperate and unqualified presence for being our commander-in-chief. And so, I think we are doing what needs to be done in a campaign, where you're running against someone or some people who will say anything without regard to the truth.

Roth: If you look at what happened in the U.K., there was an undercurrent, as you said, of people feeling lost or feeling disempowered. In the U.S., economists are saying that 40% to 60% of jobs might be affected by automation, and the pace of automation is just increasing. A lot of this is going to hit during your administration, should you win the election. Are the American people prepared?

Clinton: I have thought about it, quite a bit, because I agree with your projection that the pace of automation is accelerating, the impact on jobs that used to be seen as unlikely, if not impossible, to be done without a human being doing them seems to be in the brink of increasing. So I think this is a serious issue and it needs to be addressed by our government, by business, by education and the like.

So here's how I think about it: First of all, I doubt that it will be as fast and as pervasive as some people are projecting. These things don't just happen overnight. They take time and they do, slowly but surely, change the nature of work, change who does what jobs. But the reality is it's going to happen.

You know, driverless cars may be an exciting new step in transportation, but that means a lot of trucks and cabbies and Uber drivers and a lot of other people may well lose jobs. So how do we think about that? You see, I believe that people should have work with purpose and dignity. I think it's so much a part of the human DNA. I've looked at polling, research done around the world and you can ask somebody in the poorest or the richest country, in places where there's conflict and strife, places where there's nothing but peace and prosperity, what do you want?

And surprisingly, it is so similar across the board. People want a good job to provide for themselves and their families so that they can, you know, have education for their kids, healthcare for their family, a better future.

This is baked into who we are as human beings.

And we haven't yet figured out how to sort of jump over who we are as human beings to take advantage of all of the advances in technology. So we've got to do some serious thinking about how we make technology more of an ally as opposed to an adversary. How do we create more jobs because of technology? We're seeing that there's a lot of jobs, for example, in healthcare. And there's a lot of technology in healthcare, but it takes somebody who understands how to actually do the procedure that is then going to be run up on the machine that will give you the answer.

I believe that people should have work with purpose and dignity... It's so much a part of the human DNA.

And then, it takes somebody else to read those results and then figure out what that means for the patient. So I want us to have a realistic, but optimistic view about what jobs can be. But we're not prepared for that. We're not prepared as a nation and millions of Americans are not prepared with the skills that it will take to really enter into the kind of advanced technological economy that awaits us.

Roth: You’ve talked about re-training and giving employers tax credits to be able to do apprenticeships. Is that enough?

Clinton: Well, I think we've got to do several things. And it won't surprise you to hear me say we have to start with kids because while we are trying to make sure that adults have the skills they need and can be trained and re-trained for consecutive jobs. We need really first rate computer, science education in every school and we don't have anything like that. We need to make sure that in high schools we've got much more project-based learning.

And that means we’ve got to re-imagine education, we've got to get out of the testing mentality and create a platform for kids to really explore technology, learn from technology, understand how to apply it. I still believe that they need to have a good base of liberal arts, of history, civic education, how to communicate, everything that I think goes into giving people the tools they need to be able to be so flexible.

But they're going to have to have more hands-on learning. I think it was a real loss for high schools that we took so much hands-on learning — we used to call it "vocational learning" or “technical learning" — out of schools. Well, we've got to re-introduce it, but of course, it has to be 21st Century, not you know, 1950s. We've got to have our community colleges, platforms for learning, for gaining credentials, for being able to, you know, go there while you're still in high school, go there when you graduate from high school, go there when maybe you lose a job or you move when you're 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever.

It was a real loss for high schools that we took so much hands-on learning — we used to call it "vocational learning" — out of schools. Well, we've got to re-introduce it.

We've got to have a whole new mindset and we've got to create more of a safety net for the American worker because it's scary out there. And I meet so many people whose identity, their self-worth, their sense of belonging has been stripped away because the job they used to do have and felt good doing and made a good living from, it's changed to much, or maybe it's no longer even there.

And they do feel left out and left behind and they don't think anybody cares about them. They don't think their government cares. They sure don't think that their employers and big business care. I know it sounds maybe a little bit off-topic talking about jobs and skills and training, but we've got to create a feeling of people being cared for, to build their confidence so that they can compete for the jobs of the future.

Roth: Sounds like you’d be against the idea of basic income, of making sure that people get a certain amount, whether they're working or not.

Clinton: I'm not ready to go there, but I am ready to expand the earned income tax credit, so that we link earning income to being relieved of paying taxes up to as high a threshold as we could get it. And we do that for single people as well as families, because we've got an income problem as well as a jobs problem. We don't have enough good jobs being created. I think there's a lot of exciting work for people to be doing, but we don't seem to be organized in a way that is incentivizing creation of those jobs right now.

And then, we have an income problem because a lot of the jobs that are available are not paying what people who need to support a family require. So I want us to look at how we do more on the earned income tax credit side. I want us to look more at profit sharing because I really believe giving people a sense of ownership in the enterprise in which they are employed — will not only help them feel like they're being cared for, that they are succeeding, but it actually has been proven to produce more loyalty and less turnover, things that actually cost businesses money.

So I know Switzerland just voted on basic income for everyone. They voted it down. I know that there's been a great debate going on in the press between those who favor it, those who don't, those who are curious, asking questions. So I'm got to keep an open mind. But right now, I think that we've got to re-build people's confidence.

I'm [also] worried about how so many people, particularly working-age men have just dropped out of the labor force completely.They are disconnected from their families, they're disconnected from their communities, some of them are coming out of prison and there's no real opportunities for them. Some of them are in industries that have, you know, moved on either by automation or by off shoring.

I'm [also] worried about how so many people, particularly working-age men have just dropped out of the labor force completely.

And we've got to help create better opportunities for them without just giving up and saying, "Okay, fine, you know, the rest of us who are producing income, we've got to, you know, distribute it and you don't really have to do anything anymore." I don't think that works for a democracy and I don't think it works for most people.

Roth: It doesn’t solve the purpose issue.

Clinton: I was raised by a small businessman father. And you know, he used to say, "When you work, work hard; when you play, play hard and don't confuse the two." So I believe in individual responsibility and self-sufficiency and all the rest of it, but I also recognize how lucky I am, people like us are, because, you know, the luck of the draw. How we were raised, how we were educated, how we have acquired skills that enable us to be quite flexible within our own economy and the global economy, that has not been true for a lot of really hard-working, decent people in our country. And I think it's as I said in the beginning, also happening in other advanced economies.

It's interesting, because if you look at the vote in England, Scotland voted to remain, a lot of the places that are more connected with the modern economy voted to remain, they're very comfortable in the milieu of a European Union, which is part of a larger global commons.

A lot of people in small towns, rural, even less successful cities said, "No, let's go back to the way we think it was." And in effect, that's what Trump is promising, "Make America Great Again," is really code for, "Hey, I can turn the clock back. And I can make you feel good. And I can get you the job that you used to have and even at more money. And you know, we won't have to worry about these pesky immigrants and Muslims and women and African-Americans and other people, because we're going to make it great again on terms that will favor you."

"It's a cruel fantasy." — Clinton on the idea that the old U.S. economy will return.

Well, it's a cruel fantasy. We know that is. But we also have to have a positive agenda. It's not enough to say, "That's nonsense, it can't be done." We've got to say, "You know what? We are going to create more good jobs."

I just don't understand why Republicans who I know love our country, I know care about our future, won't invest in big infrastructure projects to put millions of people to work, to make us more competitive. You can drive through a lot of parts of America, you can visit inner cities, rural areas, they don't even have access to high-speed broadband. How are they supposed to be part of a modern economy, no matter what skills we're able to impart, if they can't even be connected? So I'm going to make a passionate, patriotic case for us to invest in infrastructure, invest in advanced manufacturing, invest in clean, renewable energy, because it will give people pathways to jobs with good incomes, meaning dignity and a future.

Roth: We're in your hometown, it's a beautiful day, it seems like a great time for you to share with the world who your Vice Presidential pick is.

Clinton (Laughing): Well, I'm not gonna make news on that today. I'm feeling very good about putting together a team of people. We'll have to wait and see — how that turns out at our convention.