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Here is the whole chart, I just combined bronze and private with silver to make it 1 million (1,000K) silver in total.



We keep complaining about how poor the silver payout after each battle, but probably ignored the fact that we gain Honor Points as well.

As Honor Points pile up, we will get paid a fat load of silver at the end of a league mark. Plus a cycle restart silver reward if it reaches your maximum league.









So I did a little doodoo and trying to see what each honor point payout is.



Use myself master league for example, I get paid 16000K aka 16m silver when I gathered 1065 Honor Points, I didn't put the restart reward in since I don't know the numbers for each league.



I only know my master league will reward around 2.5m when restart. So that sums up to 18.5m for every 1065 Honor Points.

What does that mean? It means every HP your earn, you are earning silver as well, to be exact master league players are earning 18500 K / 1065 = 17.4 K per HP.



So Imagine you cap top 1 beacon, top 3 damage, complete battle and win. You can earn 7 * 17.4 K = 121.8 K silver in a battle !! That's actually pretty decent add on if you are not on booster. Don't forget you can turn on the HP Booster and double that earning!!





Let's be realistic and look the expected value. 2 points for completing battle, 0.5 points for win (win rate 50%), half the time in top 3 damage 0.5 points, top 2 or 3 capper if you actively cap in the beginning and don't spawn Flux Hydra campers, 1.5 points.



So we have expected value 4.5 points, that's 78.3 K each battle.

When the boost is on, we are talking about 150K per battle.



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Here comes the interesting part, how do we get the max out of this when let's say you turned on a 15 min HP booster?



Theoretically, I mean theoretically, the most efficient way to farm honor points is join a game, cap 1 beacon and done with it. It took 10 seconds or so and you can expect maybe a top 3 cap and a win, and 2 points for complete a battle, expect a 2.5 point per game. In 15 mins, plus waiting time you can squeeze in 20 to 30 battles and get 50 - 75 HP = 870K - 1.3m silver. But by doing that, you lost the silver earning from dealing damage, that's probably not worth it. Oh and you are in LPQ sir.





So we need to find a balance point where ,

1--You saturated most possible beacons mostly in the beginning, then game goes into a 3v2 2v3 for a long time. Top 1 or 2 cap hopefully, 3 to 2 HP

2--You deal decent enough damage for that silver payout, also get that 1 HP (top 1 2 3 all only get 1 honor Point)

3--You help enough to your team winning 1 HP

4--Complete that battle and move on to the new one when this battle has little potential HP to saturate. 2 HP



IMO, 1 and 4 are the most important ones that will improve the efficiency of HP farming. 3 is kinda on luck, 2 is not that hard if you use some strong knifers.



So when you feel the game is hopeless or stuck and a lot of campers are just peekaboo with their Spec ST or Fury Dragoon, what you should do is target the most possible beacon you can turn and suicide to turn it even if that means you mech out just to turn it.

That way you maxed your efficiency on NO. 1 and 4, cap as many as you can, move on to the next battle. For NO. 2 you are probably not gonna out damage your campers, they camp mid range and drop in knifers at the end when everyone almost mech out does a lot of damage. For NO.3 you really can't control the result when 2 sides are camping.





Therefore, beacon rush is THE MODE if you want to farm HP. Max NO 1 and 4 efficiency

We are talking about a hangar that has a critical start capper, 4 heavy beacon bomber, hopefully fast and tanky as well to get to the battlefield quicker and cap before others take you out. Ideally, if it can deal damage on the way travelling and dying, that would be perfect.





Yeah you probably guessed it by now, that's my NO.2 hangar Hell Burner Suicide Squad plus a Kumi or Strider. I managed to earn 90 to 100 Honor Points during a 30 mins HP booster from the gold league drop. Every cycle I get 5 of them, that's 450 to 500 HP in 2.5 hours. Plus I have a lot of extra HP booster here and there, so I'm cycling a whole set of master level rewards in maybe solid 6-7 hours of gameplay. That's pretty much a week of light play, or 3,4 days of heavy play.



Don't forget farming HP can also bring you the latest bot parts and tokens to pull some silver and the ones you want, and some great boosters.





That's my story of farming as a free player right now, and silver income is pretty decent. I only use gold to speed up when upgrade is over 7 days or lvl11 to 12 to maximize gold to time ratio, so I never run out of silver as of now. I won't touch new econ item beyond lvl9 yet, we'll see if Pix gonna run events that has 1/2 cost.



Thanks for baring the text wall.



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I did wait till the game is over shot a few winning games results just to see how good my lvl 6 HBs can run. No any performance booster.

League: 5000-5050

Each game I fight for around 3 mins and mech out.

Each game we had a 4 to 1 beacon lead, largely due to my endless pressure on 4th beacon plus teammate follow up.

All small maps with lots of cover.

















Let's be honest, other times when I get a large map, I get killed by dragoon fury without getting a shot off. Here is the whole chart, I just combined bronze and private with silver to make it 1 million (1,000K) silver in total.We keep complaining about how poor the silver payout after each battle, but probably ignored the fact that we gain Honor Points as well.As Honor Points pile up, we will get paid a fat load of silver at the end of a league mark. Plus a cycle restart silver reward if it reaches your maximum league.So I did a little doodoo and trying to see what each honor point payout is.Use myself master league for example, I get paid 16000K aka 16m silver when I gathered 1065 Honor Points, I didn't put the restart reward in since I don't know the numbers for each league.I only know my master league will reward around 2.5m when restart. So that sums up to 18.5m for every 1065 Honor Points.What does that mean? It means every HP your earn, you are earning silver as well, to be exact master league players are earning 18500 K / 1065 = 17.4 K per HP.So Imagine you cap top 1 beacon, top 3 damage, complete battle and win. You can earn 7 * 17.4 K = 121.8 K silver in a battle !! That's actually pretty decent add on if you are not on booster. Don't forget you can turn on the HP Booster and double that earning!!Let's be realistic and look the expected value. 2 points for completing battle, 0.5 points for win (win rate 50%), half the time in top 3 damage 0.5 points, top 2 or 3 capper if you actively cap in the beginning and don't spawn Flux Hydra campers, 1.5 points.So we have expected value 4.5 points, that's 78.3 K each battle.When the boost is on, we are talking about 150K per battle._____________________________________________________Here comes the interesting part, how do we get the max out of this when let's say you turned on a 15 min HP booster?Theoretically, I mean theoretically, the most efficient way to farm honor points is join a game, cap 1 beacon and done with it. It took 10 seconds or so and you can expect maybe a top 3 cap and a win, and 2 points for complete a battle, expect a 2.5 point per game. In 15 mins, plus waiting time you can squeeze in 20 to 30 battles and get 50 - 75 HP = 870K - 1.3m silver. But by doing that, you lost the silver earning from dealing damage, that's probably not worth it. Oh and you are in LPQ sir.So we need to find a balance point where ,1--You saturated most possible beacons mostly in the beginning, then game goes into a 3v2 2v3 for a long time. Top 1 or 2 cap hopefully,2--You deal decent enough damage for that silver payout, also get that(top 1 2 3 all only get 1 honor Point)3--You help enough to your team winning4--Complete that battle and move on to the new one when this battle has little potential HP to saturate.IMO, 1 and 4 are the most important ones that will improve the efficiency of HP farming. 3 is kinda on luck, 2 is not that hard if you use some strong knifers.So when you feel the game is hopeless or stuck and a lot of campers are just peekaboo with their Spec ST or Fury Dragoon, what you should do is target the most possible beacon you can turn and suicide to turn it even if that means you mech out just to turn it.That way you maxed your efficiency on NO. 1 and 4, cap as many as you can, move on to the next battle. For NO. 2 you are probably not gonna out damage your campers, they camp mid range and drop in knifers at the end when everyone almost mech out does a lot of damage. For NO.3 you really can't control the result when 2 sides are camping.Therefore, beacon rush is THE MODE if you want to farm HP. Max NO 1 and 4 efficiencyWe are talking about a hangar that has a critical start capper, 4 heavy beacon bomber, hopefully fast and tanky as well to get to the battlefield quicker and cap before others take you out. Ideally, if it can deal damage on the way travelling and dying, that would be perfect.Yeah you probably guessed it by now, that's my NO.2 hangar Hell Burner Suicide Squad plus a Kumi or Strider. I managed to earn 90 to 100 Honor Points during a 30 mins HP booster from the gold league drop. Every cycle I get 5 of them, that's 450 to 500 HP in 2.5 hours. Plus I have a lot of extra HP booster here and there, so I'm cycling a whole set of master level rewards in maybe solid 6-7 hours of gameplay. That's pretty much a week of light play, or 3,4 days of heavy play.Don't forget farming HP can also bring you the latest bot parts and tokens to pull some silver and the ones you want, and some great boosters.That's my story of farming as a free player right now, and silver income is pretty decent. I only use gold to speed up when upgrade is over 7 days or lvl11 to 12 to maximize gold to time ratio, so I never run out of silver as of now. I won't touch new econ item beyond lvl9 yet, we'll see if Pix gonna run events that has 1/2 cost.Thanks for baring the text wall._____________________________________________Update.I did wait till the game is over shot a few winning games results just to see how good my lvl 6 HBs can run. No any performance booster.League: 5000-5050Each game I fight for around 3 mins and mech out.Each game we had a 4 to 1 beacon lead, largely due to my endless pressure on 4th beacon plus teammate follow up.All small maps with lots of cover.Let's be honest, other times when I get a large map, I get killed by dragoon fury without getting a shot off.

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Member Back to Top Post by Project Alice on eco said: So you quit battles early? Doesn't this put you in LPQ? Or do you mech out and quit?

Yeah, on beacon rush I just drop in HBs on people's face, 1 or 2 explode on 1 or 2 people plus some weapon damage, mech out very quick and deal massive damage on small map. On big map Dragoon fury I just charge in mid beacon to suicide and move on to avoid wasting time while booster is on. Yeah, on beacon rush I just drop in HBs on people's face, 1 or 2 explode on 1 or 2 people plus some weapon damage, mech out very quick and deal massive damage on small map. On big map Dragoon fury I just charge in mid beacon to suicide and move on to avoid wasting time while booster is on.

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By the way, for farming HP, you could also consider doing FFA - it reward tokens as well and hence the maximum you can achive is 10 HP per game.



The longer game duration may be a problem, though, especially you are the one over-matched. At the least, there won’t be those full clan squads, I made this long time ago after the 3.9 update, It seems not changed since then. This include the extra Ag reward for finishing up your league limit. X-axis is Honor points and Y-axis is Ag and Tk (token):By the way, for farming HP, you could also consider doing FFA - it reward tokens as well and hence the maximum you can achive is 10 HP per game.The longer game duration may be a problem, though, especially you are the one over-matched. At the least, there won’t be those full clan squads,

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Member Back to Top Post by Project Alice on linearblade said: Project Alice



You forgot.



When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.



It’s like 6.44 million.



People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.



But you gotta Jump through the hoops .



I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout You forgot.When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.It’s like 6.44 million.People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.But you gotta Jump through the hoops .I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout

If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.



My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.

Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often.



Hey my friend, I did mention the restart rewards in the post, master league is something like 2.5m. Champ is 6.44 damn, that's good.If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often.

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By the way, for farming HP, you could also consider doing FFA - it reward tokens as well and hence the maximum you can achive is 10 HP per game.



The longer game duration may be a problem, though, especially you are the one over-matched. At the least, there won’t be those full clan squads, I made this long time ago after the 3.9 update, It seems not changed since then. This include the extra Ag reward for finishing up your league limit. X-axis is Honor points and Y-axis is Ag and Tk (token):By the way, for farming HP, you could also consider doing FFA - it reward tokens as well and hence the maximum you can achive is 10 HP per game.The longer game duration may be a problem, though, especially you are the one over-matched. At the least, there won’t be those full clan squads,



Anyway, standard FFA play is probably not a good place to farm HPs imo. Each game is a dead 10mins if you are trying to score 10 HP. And in master league vs champ player, there is no way I can make it 10HP every game. So the expected value is way lower than 10 and wasted too much time play hide and seek with the last 2 players.

Maybe play like a mad man and spam games might work, but FFA waiting time is a problem.





BR is the only short waiting time, quick HP spam farm palace.

Oh if I meet VOX EXO CDx 1% HEAT, it would be my absolute favorite situation. All I need to do is cap 1 home beacon and that is guaranteed top 2 cap, since you know they will cap 5 beacons in 2 mins so all we can cap is the initial home one and getting our azz ready to spawn raided by them. Nobody in my team will be able to cap a 2nd one alive.

Then My HB drop on their HB's face and get killed in 0.5 second, but boom I dealt 150K damage lol !! Top 2 damage finish guaranteed. Usually it's a 2 min game with 6 HPs farmed.



Thanks for bringing out that one, I saw it when you posted and if I remember correctly you also had an old before update rewards chart and made a comparison. I think the old ones has problems where the champ league points is like 2000 and has a worse value than master's chest which shouldn't be that case, so they adjusted a new and more balanced one to reward champ more fairly.Anyway, standard FFA play is probably not a good place to farm HPs imo. Each game is a dead 10mins if you are trying to score 10 HP. And in master league vs champ player, there is no way I can make it 10HP every game. So the expected value is way lower than 10 and wasted too much time play hide and seek with the last 2 players.Maybe play like a mad man and spam games might work, but FFA waiting time is a problem.BR is the only short waiting time, quick HP spam farm palace.Oh if I meet VOX EXO CDx 1% HEAT, it would be my absolute favorite situation. All I need to do is cap 1 home beacon and that is guaranteed top 2 cap, since you know they will cap 5 beacons in 2 mins so all we can cap is the initial home one and getting our azz ready to spawn raided by them. Nobody in my team will be able to cap a 2nd one alive.Then My HB drop on their HB's face and get killed in 0.5 second, but boom I dealt 150K damage lol !! Top 2 damage finish guaranteed. Usually it's a 2 min game with 6 HPs farmed.

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Member Back to Top Post by Sig on Project Alice said: linearblade said: Project Alice



You forgot.



When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.



It’s like 6.44 million.



People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.



But you gotta Jump through the hoops .



I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout You forgot.When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.It’s like 6.44 million.People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.But you gotta Jump through the hoops .I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout

If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.



My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.

Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often.



Hey my friend, I did mention the restart rewards in the post, master league is something like 2.5m. Champ is 6.44 damn, that's good.If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often. Champ bonus is 4.3 mill. I opened it last night. It is a helpful 18 mill boost when you reach it.

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Member Back to Top Post by linearblade on Project Alice said: linearblade said: Project Alice



You forgot.



When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.



It’s like 6.44 million.



People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.



But you gotta Jump through the hoops .



I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout You forgot.When you complete champion they give you ANOTHER. Bonus.It’s like 6.44 million.People cry about silver, but I’ve posted this very topic many times. The payout is insane now.But you gotta Jump through the hoops .I’m fine being a little doggie and jumping through hoops for the payout

If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.



My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.

Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often.



Hey my friend, I did mention the restart rewards in the post, master league is something like 2.5m. Champ is 6.44 damn, that's good.If you can comfortably working up in champ league then the payout is crazy. I know right? If people just stop burning gold to speed up when they are short on silver and whine about it, there won't be silver problem as long as you manage your upgrades mixed with expensive and cheap ones.My problem is that I can play careful and use my main hangar to stay in champ, but every match last too long and too much hide and seek. So one 30m booster can't run more than 4 games usually. But if I just spam HBs, I could fit in 7-10 games and don't have to worry about dropping out of champ league, that's a lot of HPs that 4 games can never do.Plus, a master cycle is way faster than champ cycle which means I have more 5 free HP boosters and 5 ag booster to burn, won't run out that often.



Master has the best payout anyway. It’s 650 extra hp for champ, and 650 from the bottom gets you back into those juicy ag / key / honour boosters again.





The champ booster is junk. But I guess the components are decent trade off



Ps; sorry I was lazy and missed it in the wall of text. Master has the best payout anyway. It’s 650 extra hp for champ, and 650 from the bottom gets you back into those juicy ag / key / honour boosters again.The champ booster is junk. But I guess the components are decent trade offPs; sorry I was lazy and missed it in the wall of text.