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7/19/2017 Absintheuse wrote:

They will be the last set of factions brought into Favour/Renown during the Fallen London Reworks project for the rest of the year.

Sorry to nitpick at wording--does this mean that they will be the last factions converted to Favors/Renown (and Masters, Duchess, Benthic, etc will not be)? Or is this only saying that such conversions, if they do happen in the future, will be next calendar year.



Also yay! I will now speculate on whether one of the factions will give a Transport item as a reward.



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Tystefy

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7/19/2017 So... I just realized that, after much study, the renown items are actually pretty good.



I realized this after realizing the renown items weren't that good.



And I realized that after becoming obsessed with amassing 40 renown with everyone.



EDIT: Renown 40: The Masters... I slobber and drool at the thought of it.

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Doolittle

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7/20/2017 I came to them late as well. When the first conversion to favours & renown happened I thought all renown was for was stopping you getting favours from Madam Plenty's beyond a certain point, and giving a quality to increase purely for showing off.



Much later I realised they actually give you things, and as a result quickly built up a nigh saintly amount of credit with the Headmistress at Sinning Jenny's finishing school trying to grind out favours above all else.



Despite not seeing the point of them at first, I actually quite like the Renown system. It would be nice if there were one or two more "levels" of favours-for-renown cash-in actions than the current 3 for each faction (but then more content would always be nice), but I think the mechanic is good.



I do wonder if the pricing of faction items (brass skulls, diaries of the dead, etc) might be a little on the high side after the changeover given their significant role in the new mechanic, but I could equally see how reducing their cost or resale value (and there's not a lot of margin to work with for renown raising items) might upset those holding a bunch of them (maybe Bazaar prices are sticky-down?).

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Kaijyuu

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7/20/2017 Don't convert them too quickly. I need to tank my Society asap through Going Gentle



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Krampus

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7/20/2017 I also would love to know if eventually the other factions (Masters, Duchess, Benthic, ...) will be converted to the favors and renown system.



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Flyte

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7/20/2017 Krampus wrote:

I also would love to know if eventually the other factions (Masters, Duchess, Benthic, ...) will be converted to the favors and renown system. We haven't decided yet how to approach the last five Connected qualities. To a greater or lesser extent, they all exhibit some structural peculiarities – Benthic and Summerset play an important role in structuring the early University storylets, for instance. I'd expect us to look at this sometime after the currently scheduled Fallen London work is complete.



Passionario

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7/20/2017 Flyte wrote:

We haven't decided yet how to approach the last five Connected qualities.

Five? No, five is not the Number.



(Connected: Glass and Connected: Shroud are the best Connected qualities, since they survive waking up friendless after St. Beau's.)

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Flyte

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7/20/2017 Yes; despite the names, they don't currently function like Connected qualities, instead tracking your progress and alignment in that story.

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Jeremy Avalon

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7/20/2017 The only one I've had a hypothesis for was that the Masters would be moved to Favours, but without Renown.



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genesis

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7/20/2017 Robin Alexander wrote:



Oh God, I hope not.



I would literally stop playing.





I understand *why* you are saying that and obviously that's entirely up to you. But it's worth mentioning that from the very first announcement it was made clear that Masters may be treated differently and they haven't made a decision that it will work like all the other factions. So it may have been somewhat premature to invest so much Fate/resources on a hope if the alternative would make you quit the game...



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MidnightVoyager

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7/20/2017 genesis wrote:

Robin Alexander wrote:



Oh God, I hope not.



I would literally stop playing.





I understand *why* you are saying that and obviously that's entirely up to you. But it's worth mentioning that from the very first announcement it was made clear that Masters may be treated differently and they haven't made a decision that it will work like all the other factions. So it may have been somewhat premature to invest so much Fate/resources on a hope if the alternative would make you quit the game...

They might well have done that before this whole favors/renown system was even announced though, you know?



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Plynkes

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7/20/2017 Even though personally I think what you are doing is the height of foolishness, I can't see FB simply wiping Connected: Masters and replacing it with nothing, if as you say you can increase that quality via Fate (I honestly had no idea that was actually possible). It would be a PR debacle that would cause the kind of bad will that they could really do without, and they'd probably have to deal with a bunch of disgruntled folks like yourself clamouring for refunds for the Fate they spent.



Shame, really, because a small part of me thinks it would be pretty funny, and a very in-character thing for the Masters to do. They could probably come up with some mystical reason for a grand wiping-clean of all their slates (so they don't have to pay their bills - they're like that, the rotters).



Can't see that happening, though. I honestly think that those last few odd ones that don't quite fit the model of the others should maybe simply be left as Connected. Can't say I'd be overly fond of Widow, Duchess, Benthic and Summerset favour cards popping up all the bloody time in my deck.



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Kaijyuu

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7/20/2017 If masters were converted to favors I imagine it'd be 1:1 with favors vs cp and not have an upper limit. So, completely identical mechanically.



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Krampus

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7/20/2017 Passionario wrote:

the opportunity card for Decomissioned Steamer lodgings, and resetting the storyline part of Affair of the Box then siding with one of the Masters. Both give 3 change points.



Are you sure the Decomissioned Steamer option rewards 3 change points?



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Jeremy Avalon

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7/20/2017 Somewhere, probably buried in Alexis Kennedy's list of posts, is a comment to the effect that the Masters do not have friends, although they do have "favorites", in the sense that you might have a favorite variety of sandwich, or a pet insect.



I think that's a fairly sound argument against the plausibility of Renown: The Masters of the Bazaar.



Not to mention that every single time you interact with them, they really could care less, except perhaps in the very late stages of one or two Ambitions, and also SMEN.



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Vavakx Nonexus

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7/20/2017 Jeremy Avalon wrote:

Somewhere, probably buried in Alexis Kennedy's list of posts, is a comment to the effect that the Masters do not have friends, although they do have "favorites", in the sense that you might have a favorite variety of sandwich, or a pet insect.



I think that's a fairly sound argument against the plausibility of Renown: The Masters of the Bazaar.



Not to mention that every single time you interact with them, they really could care less, except perhaps in the very late stages of one or two Ambitions, and also SMEN.

That sounds more like a justification for Renown: The Masters than not. Hearing my favourite brand of ice cream ask me to put it back in the fridge just kinda cements how weird & memorable the whole process was.



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Gul al-Ahlaam

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7/21/2017 An easy problem to solve.

Affiliation: The Glass, The Shroud, Benthic, Summerset

Indicates your level of relationship with that faction. Tracks association, shifts during story choices. Used to gate choices.



Interest: The Masters, The Duchess, The Widow

Indicates level of interest in you. Rises and falls based on the whims of those involved. Used occasionally, for unusual things.

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Cthonius

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7/21/2017 The Shroud and Glass being renamed to reflect being similar to the whole Cheery Man/Last Constable or Playing with Soul stuff would work well, but the other suggestions seem to be Connected in all but name.



Widow and Duchess as Renown wouldn't be too bad, except they have no faction cards, professions, or Closest To stuff. Otherwise while they're not used too much, it makes sense to have some of their current interaction locked with Renown and gaining favors through assisting them.



Masters have the above problems, but tbh Favors works Realllllly well for them, as the current connected system having low numbers compared to everything else is effectively Favors for them already. Renown doesn't make much sense, but then we have the problem of people understandably upset at money and grinding leading to at most 7 favors they'll likely not use.



Benthic and Summerset see the same problems of the Widow and Duchess, but see even less usage still. They might be better worked into something like Shroud/Glass, where you pick an association that rises with the University plot or something (though most uses of them lock the second you actually start the investigation iirc).



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