Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:39:49 #1



I tried binding left click to a button on my keyboard, when holding shift this is kind of like the mouse wheel trick, except this way its much faster.



I made a video of me demonstrating.



if you excuse my horrible voice and the hong kong city streets theme from Deus Ex in the background (someone will reinstall it) you can see this in action.



I think I broke starcraft 2.I tried binding left click to a button on my keyboard, when holding shift this is kind of like the mouse wheel trick, except this way its much faster.I made a video of me demonstrating.if you excuse my horrible voice and the hong kong city streets theme from Deus Ex in the background (someone will reinstall it) you can see this in action.



I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on this, if nothing else It can be used with shift moving drones etc to get a better APM, but I think its more usefull than just that.



edit: this is the same as the mouse scroll trick (which was talked about in SoTG) just this is much faster and just needs to hold down a button, its the same thing just with F3 instead of the mouse wheel, so its technically legal (I think, I know you are allowed to install drivers, and I think 1 to 1 button changes are allowed), but I dont think it should be. I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on this, if nothing else It can be used with shift moving drones etc to get a better APM, but I think its more usefull than just that.edit: this is the same as the mouse scroll trick (which was talked about in SoTG) just this is much faster and just needs to hold down a button, its the same thing just with F3 instead of the mouse wheel, so its technically legal (I think, I know you are allowed to install drivers, and I think 1 to 1 button changes are allowed), but I dont think it should be.

AmericanUmlaut Profile Joined November 2010 United States 2383 Posts #2 How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no? The frumious Bandersnatch

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts #3 On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?



its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments. its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.

bluQ Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Germany 1715 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:05:15 #4 That is pretty funny. See Blizzard, that happens if you don't build in a delay for holding down a button.

But good job revealing it.

Binding left/right-click to an actualy keyboard button is pretty legit imo. The problem here resides within the engine blizz use to captcher and translate keystrokes. www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)

Mauldo Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United States 702 Posts #5 "My drivers let me do it so I should be able to cut corners that Blizzard obviously never intended for me to cut" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard about this whole "rebinding left click" business. The community is always bitching about how easy SC2 is and how micro is lacking in the game, but then shit like this pops up and the community supports it. If SC2 doesn't have a "Rebind ____" option in the hotkeys menu, then it shouldn't be allowed to be rebound. That simple.

Pusekatten Profile Joined March 2011 Norway 231 Posts #6 I think it will be illegal in tournaments, because you have to use a third party software to make it work (your mouse driver). If you can make it happen without drivers and only with standard windows control panel and SC2, it would be a question about ethics.

bluQ Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Germany 1715 Posts #7 Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it.

You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed".

I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you.

All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate.

Allow makros = bad.

Allow 2 Button markos = still bad.

Don't allow makros = guud. www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:31:47 #8 On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote:

Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it.

You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed".

I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you.

All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate.

Allow makros = bad.

Allow 2 Button markos = still bad.

Don't allow makros = guud.



actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.



someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster

darkscream Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Canada 2307 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:44:35 #9 On February 18 2012 23:57 Mauldo wrote:

"My drivers let me do it so I should be able to cut corners that Blizzard obviously never intended for me to cut" is one of the worst excuses I've ever heard about this whole "rebinding left click" business. The community is always bitching about how easy SC2 is and how micro is lacking in the game, but then shit like this pops up and the community supports it. If SC2 doesn't have a "Rebind ____" option in the hotkeys menu, then it shouldn't be allowed to be rebound. That simple.



I don't think it's that obvious. Droppng infested terrans is an awful chore that often doesnt work right (if you have a group of infestors, half are burrowed, half are not, go ahead, try and do the shift queue move-drop trick).



The fact is the whole system is not good. Its not about "not having micro opportunities", its having to click literally 40-50 times to launch an attack which might barely do anything not making any sense whatsoever. 10 infestors should not take 40 clicks to be effective.



Stephano uses the scroll wheel stuff pretty blatantly. I don't think it's that obvious. Droppng infested terrans is an awful chore that often doesnt work right (if you have a group of infestors, half are burrowed, half are not, go ahead, try and do the shift queue move-drop trick).The fact is the whole system is not good. Its not about "not having micro opportunities", its having to click literally 40-50 times to launch an attack which might barely do anything not making any sense whatsoever. 10 infestors should not take 40 clicks to be effective.Stephano uses the scroll wheel stuff pretty blatantly.

Hulavuta Profile Blog Joined December 2011 United States 1252 Posts #10 On February 19 2012 00:00 Pusekatten wrote:

I think it will be illegal in tournaments, because you have to use a third party software to make it work (your mouse driver). If you can make it happen without drivers and only with standard windows control panel and SC2, it would be a question about ethics.



Tournaments allow you to use your mouse drivers. They might ban a specific feature, but a mouse driver is no way a third party program. Tournaments allow you to use your mouse drivers. They might ban a specific feature, but a mouse driver is no way a third party program. Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts #11 I dont agree that IT and Snipe is really micro, Is the micro in this game really just clicking the mouse fast?

Funguuuuu Profile Joined July 2011 United States 198 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:38:02 #12 Show nested quote +

On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote:

Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it.

You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed".

I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you.

All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate.

Allow makros = bad.

Allow 2 Button markos = still bad.

Don't allow makros = guud.





actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.



someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster

No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed. No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed. The night is dark and full of Terrans

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts #13 On February 19 2012 00:36 Funguuuuu wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 19 2012 00:26 bluQ wrote:

Okay so untill now I was to lazy to look into it.

You don't actually change the binding. What happens is that a makro is recodring (mouse up; mouse down) and this makro is played when button X is pressed. In Logitech SetPoint you have the actual option if the makro should be repeated on "button X pressed".

I guess it is the same with Razer products just that you don't create the makro the obvious way, the software does it for you.

All in all; it is a makro. Makes it pretty easy to rate.

Allow makros = bad.

Allow 2 Button markos = still bad.

Don't allow makros = guud.





actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.



someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster actually I just changed my F3 button to click and turned the delay off in my keyboard settings, its not a macro, but it still requires using a driver.someone in a tournament did this with the mouse scroll in a tournament (I forget who) and it was talked about on SoTG, this is the same just even faster

No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed. No, I think you're mistaken, they mentioned that Morrow did this on ladder a while back, but he didn't do it in any tournaments because he thought it wouldn't be allowed.



ok, but I thought 1-1 button changes on drivers were allowed at tournaments? I know your allowed to install drivers.

ok, but I thought 1-1 button changes on drivers were allowed at tournaments? I know your allowed to install drivers.

ManofWax Profile Joined June 2011 Italy 12 Posts #14 On February 18 2012 23:41 Buzerio wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?



its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments. its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.



Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts #15 On February 19 2012 00:41 ManofWax wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 18 2012 23:41 Buzerio wrote:

On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?



its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments. its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.



Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal



from the GSL rules when it was announced





- Players must bring their own equipment (Keyboard, Mouse, Mouse Pad, Headset, Mouse Driver) and ID.



so you are allowed drivers, Im not sure if this has changed but it was said that you are allowed to use drivers at tournaments on SoTG and they do have first hand experience. im not 100% sure tho. from the GSL rules when it was announced- Players must bring their own equipment (Keyboard, Mouse, Mouse Pad, Headset,) and ID.so you are allowed drivers, Im not sure if this has changed but it was said that you are allowed to use drivers at tournaments on SoTG and they do have first hand experience. im not 100% sure tho.

Buzerio Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 134 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 15:52:54 #16 btw if anyone is interested the average APM on that video is 1.5k and it peaks at well over 10k.



that's considerably better than Flash's apm, also, I think this should be banned, if it is legal atm, which it isnt really clear either way (and also needs to be stopped on ladder aswell).

ManofWax Profile Joined June 2011 Italy 12 Posts #17 The problem is a lot of moder mouse "drivers" are in fact full-fledged configuration programs which permits the user to create macro and rebiding keys...

ETisME Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Hong Kong 11898 Posts #18 On February 19 2012 00:41 ManofWax wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 18 2012 23:41 Buzerio wrote:

On February 18 2012 23:40 AmericanUmlaut wrote:

How do you bind a mouse button to your keyboard? That doesn't sound like something you can do without third party software, which would mean it's illegal, no?



its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments. its the same as with mousewheel, I did it in the drivers, I think thats allowed in tournaments.



Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal Drivers are still "third part software". If they are not macro will be legal

Mouse driver is legal for sure.

Deathadder for example doesn't have a on-the-fly DPI changer, you need the driver to change it. Mouse driver is legal for sure.Deathadder for example doesn't have a on-the-fly DPI changer, you need the driver to change it. 其疾如风，其徐如林，侵掠如火，不动如山，难知如阴，动如雷震。

naut1c Profile Joined April 2011 Austria 100 Posts #19 blizzard should develop a maximum frequency that is as high as a human beeing can possibly click (=lower than mousewheel)

Pusekatten Profile Joined March 2011 Norway 231 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-18 16:34:48 #20 On February 19 2012 00:56 naut1c wrote:

blizzard should develop a maximum frequency that is as high as a human beeing can possibly click (=lower than mousewheel)

I wont say its a bad idea, but its not optimal.

The way I would view this would be something like the snipe nerf blizzard announced, making it 25+25 vs Psionic instead of something like 50-25 vs Massive like qxc said on SoTG. Or like SOPA, the idea and intent behind it is good, but its far from optimal.



Edit: typo I wont say its a bad idea, but its not optimal.The way I would view this would be something like the snipe nerf blizzard announced, making it 25+25 vs Psionic instead of something like 50-25 vs Massive like qxc said on SoTG. Or like SOPA, the idea and intent behind it is good, but its far from optimal.Edit: typo

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