Clique Theory Outline Looking at Life, Losing, and the Law School Scam Brought to you by The Clique Masters of JDU

All material contained herein is a compilation of all- original posts previously posted on the JDU/Off-Topic Forum, and have been edited for length, clarity, and spelling, but not necessarily for consistency; and certainly not for political correctness or profanity. “Unless you can scientifically prove that any of these basic tenets of Clique Theory are wrong please do not attempt to posit counterfactuals to them and do not ask questions that can be easily answered by following this outline.” Readers are forewarned. Stop Caring ® Mortem in Circuitu

(Death Is All Around Us)

Table of Contents

I. Genotypes & Phenotypes

II. Basic Clique Classifications

III. Sub-Cliques

IV. Identification of Cliques

1. Identifying the genotype and phenotype

2. Career Accomplishments ≠ Clique

3. Clique = Destiny

V. "Stay in Your Lane"

1. Ascending Your Clique

2. Attempting to escape Clique = Disaster





VI. Cliques for Dummies

1. Clique Traits in a Nutshell™

2. Careers For Cliques

3. How to get a Job by Clique

4. How to ID and deal with a Scumbag

5. What Nerds and Scumbags have in Common

6. Educating the Cliques

7. Clique Math

VII. Case Studies

1. Portrait of an Anonymous Loser as a Young Man

2. Paul of Tarsus, Loser Who Becomes Ascended Loser

3. Peter of “Office Space”, Loser who becomes an Ascended Loser

4. President Bill Clinton, Loser, Scumbag, or what?

5. Abraham Lincoln, Jockengineer

6. Clique Assessment of Gov. Chris Christie

7. Loser Georgecostanza

8. Woman Clique Priorities

9. At What Ages Do the Respective Cliques Peak?

10. Lifespans of the Cliques

11. Losers v. Nerds: GPA

12. Cliques and Academia

13. Clique Theory and the Law School Scam

14. Law School by Clique

15. Not Caring ® by Clique

16. Lane v. Clique

17. Holiday Plans by Clique

18. Cliques in the Looney-Bin

VIII. Historical Cliques and Pseudo-Cliques

1. Feudal/India/Modern America

2. The Evolution of Cliques

3. The Black “Clique”

4. Asian “Cliques”

IX. The Politics of Clique

1. Ideologies in a Nutshell

2. Preps make the best Presidents

3. The Politics of Cliques

4. What Happens when a Loser becomes a Leader

5. Communism and Capitalism vs. Clique-ism

6. How the Cliques Fight

7. How Nerds Rule the World

8. The Future, by Clique

9. Ridding the World of Excess Losers

X. Q & A

1. Does a Moral Universe Preclude the Existence of Cliques?

2. Can you use Punnett Squares to determine Clique?

3. How do I Straighten my Son out?

4. Is there a Clique for late bloomers?

5. What purpose do Preps serve?

6. At what point in life to Cliques manifest and how soon are they enforced?

7. What is the difference between a Cliqueless Loser vs. Becliqued Loser?

8. So...according to Clique Theory I'm a Loser?

9. Can a Loser be Rich?

10. Does Clique Determine Character?

11. Is it possible for a Loser to pull himself off as a Jock?

12. What is the biggest obstacle for a Loser to pull off being a Scumbag?

13. Are White Jocks relevant anymore?

14. Can a Scumbag be a Hipster?

15. Does Marriage alter Clique? What about inter-Clique Dating?

16. Is there more divorce among inter-Clique couples?

17. As a Loser, what is the best/worst type of person to be interviewed by?

18. Why Couldn’t I get the $11/hr. Airline Handler job I applied for?

19. Should CT be taught in the schools?

20. My Brother wants to Drop Out of College

21. Someone explain how the alpha/beta dichotomy works in Clique Theory?

22. Is CT a Religion?





XI. Heresies

1. CT is a based on a purloined, overdrawn movie analogy

2. CT is unscientific and arbitrary

3. Veering out of your Lane is not always disastrous

4. “Modified” Clique Theories?

5. The “Rebels” Heresy

XII. Sociological Implications of CT

1. Clique is the Opus Magnum of Sociological Theories

2. CT and the Law School Scam

Appendices

1. Explaining Genotypes and Phenotypes to Losers who Failed High School Biology

2. Does Clique Theory Have a Future?

3. Why Losers make the Best Posters

4. Clique Chess Thread

5. Using Clique Theory in Real Life

6. Population Distribution by Clique

7. Apologia



OUTLINE

I. GENOTYPES & PHENOTYPES (Theimmigrant)

Americans are raised to believe that acts of will are what matter in life, but this is wrong. Optimism is a message sold by liars. Fatalism is credited. Every act of will is limited by genotype and phenotype, and is even a PRODUCT of genotype and phenotype, since they are generated by your brain which is a product of your genetics. This is why it's impossible to escape your Clique. Really the ONLY thing you can do to improve yourself that won't end in disaster is to try to reach the Ascended Form of your Clique, i.e., a Woman becoming a Hot Girl, a Scumbag becoming a High Prole, or a Loser becoming a High Loser, such as liberal arts professor, head of state, or villain. In order to do that, you need not only the will, but a certain amount of luck.

· Clique is a combination of genotype and phenotype. (See Glossary if you flunked high school biology)





· You are born into a clique and clique is as unalterable as eye color or fingerprint.





· While occasionally it appears that someone has changed cliques, a scientific observation will always show that he was misclassified previously. Genes can be dominant or recessive; Phenotype, expressed through gene dominance, is what is salient.

II. BASIC CLIQUE CLASSIFICATIONS (Theimmigrant)

· There are and always will be 6 primary clique classifications:

Prep

Jock

Nerd

Scumbag

Loser

Woman

· A Jock can be misidentified as a Prep, or a Loser can be misidentified as a Scumbag, it happens.





· There are also individuals, who are hybrid between two Cliques, so what appears to be a normal Scumbag might, in truth, be a Scumgineer. This does not mean that he transitioned from Scumbag to Nerd but rather that his half-Nerd genotype took longer than usual to manifest in his phenotype being previously overwhelmed by his Scumbag genetics.





· There are hybrids between them. A Woman can be hybrid Woman clique with another clique or even (extremely rarely) two other Cliques. Not all women are Woman Clique.





· (A) Guy can be born into a Prep family that had recessive Scumbag genes in their genotype. (Then, when he leaves home, he reverts to his true self in order to achieve homeostasis. (Onefortheteam, 9/10/13)

III. SUB-CLIQUES (Theimmigrant)

· The Loser Clique is subdivided into cliqued Losers and cliqueless Losers.





· Cliqueless Losers aren't really PART of the Loser clique per se but they are classified there for various scientific reasons.

· The difference between a cliqued Loser and cliqueless Loser is that the cliqued Loser will be part of some Loser community (Goth, FauxNerd, whatever) while the cliqueless Loser is reviled by all and is by definition a Loner.





· Cliqued Losers will gather together for support while cliqueless Losers will be shunned even by other cliqueless Losers. Friends = People who form social alliances based on Clique and Phenotype. No one wants to be friends with a Loser, not even other Losers. Posters are cliqueless and have Bad Phenotypes





· There are, of course, overlaps in certain areas between the cliques. For example, you will find both Jock and Prep executives. Likewise you will find both Scumbags and Losers doing menial tasks.

IV. IDENTIFICATION OF CLIQUES (Theimmigrant)

Everyone understands Clique Theory on a sub conscious level. It is innate, because people naturally divide into groups to war for sex and power, and the most natural groupings in nature are based on genotype and phenotype. However, cultures can choose to set up rules, norms, and laws that either reinforce Cliques, or try to break them down. As has already been noted, the U.S. is set up in a way that not only solidifies Cliques, but ensures that we have the strictest Clique system in the world.

1) To identify someone's clique you do NOT look at their station in life but rather at their GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE.





· Cliques manifest in a person's phenotype, not just their personality, or even their demeanor. Jocks have more robust builds and bigger dicks than the lower cliques, and a magnetic countenance due to high testosterone. Nerds have larger heads and are awkward. Losers can be similar phenotypically to Nerds, but they will have a more Losery countenance. Scumbags look like Scumbags.





· Clique body types are unalterable. The problem with Losers is that their metabolisms conspire to give them bad phenotypes. Diet/exercise will never completely do it for a Loser: he will always be fat and/or weak.

Clique is largely DNA driven and can be generally be detected within 5 seconds of meeting someone, but a lot of people are on the cusp of various Cliques and can enter them, even if they do so awkwardly. A Bad Prep is going to be way, way more successful than a Good Loser. Like, ridiculously so. A Jock who is bad at sports is going to be accepted into the Jock Clique just for playing and pretending to like sports. He'll never be a Good Jock, but he'll date Hot Girls and have a job in a back-slapping field. Many, many Losers would make very good Nerds.



Particularly if you're a smart Loser, all you have to do is re-orient your interests away from liberal arts and towards Sci-fi and stuff.





There is no moving beyond it. Literally anything you do, you're aligning yourself with one Clique or another. Even if you disavow all job interviews or any interest in liberal arts careers, your Clique will follow you to the grave.

Live in a cabin in the woods? Nerd/Loser. Teach English in Japan? Loser. Walk around saying "High school is so over, I don't talk to anyone from high school, I've Matured well beyond my peers, Cliques are so 1999." Loser. You literally cannot escape Cliques unless you're like a really cool character in a movie or book with no discernible friends who always gets the girl with no effort.

Examples:

· Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman have the same job but Krugman is a Nerd and Friedman is a Prep.





· Kevin Smith is rich but is still CLEARLY by genotype and phenotype a Loser.





· John McCain = Prep (Military version). His is father (and grandfather) were both Admirals. Jocks in their Ascended form are the military leaders and elites.

2. Career Accomplishments do NOT define Clique (Keithd, 8/14/13)

Do not make the mistake of concluding that that career path or professional accomplishments define Clique. They don't. Genotype and phenotype define Clique. Personal and professional accomplishments are then the result of your Clique, with acts of will only able to determine whether you end up in High or Low status within your Clique.

Losers get Bad GPAs because they become mentally ill trying to change Cliques. (See Case Study 1). Qfora's own Andy did better in college after joining a frat than he did as a try-hard loner Loser. Losers need structure to excel. Left alone to work independently, they would just wallow in ignominy all day. Andy joining a frat put him in a position where there were clear goals and expectations for him to meet.

The reality is that being a Loser means that someone is always trying to pwn you. Sometimes, a Loser's worst enemies are fellow Losers. Losers see other Losers as competition, and many Losers are in denial about their own Loser status, and foolishly think that pwning other Losers will gain them entry into a Clique. Whenever a Loser is making advances by excelling in academics, professionally, or seemingly making waves flirting with a Hot Girl, someone will attempt to pwn him, because it just doesn't feel right to observers.

Losers are constantly distrustful of one another. Everything a Loser achieves comes at the expense of another Loser. It's a zero-sum game. Engineers create entire industries that never existed through the sheer force of engineering innovation. Losers displace Men with their ambition if they're lucky; Engineers create and displace infrastructure.

3. Clique Determines Destiny

These factors are all immutable and genetic, and determine one's Clique and thus destiny. A common misperception and a conscious lie behind the Law School Scam is that “anything is possible”. No it isn't. Clearly some things are impossible. It's impossible to square a circle, for example. There are actually a finite number of possibilities in the material universe. There are limits. Those limits are based on the way subatomic particles are arranged. Those arrangements are what determine our genotype and phenotype, which in turn determines the composition of our brain, and thus our personality, IQ, etc.

Actions are the result of your genotype and phenotype. You are shaped by the way other people treat you. Also, your acts of will are simply the product of your brain, which is determined by your genetics. Ultimately we are just combinations of subatomic particles and what we do is determined by how those subatomic particles are organized.

This is why Clique Theory encompasses both Determinism and Fatalism, and is in fact superior to both. (Keithd, 8/27/13)

Summary:

1) GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE are what define Clique

2) Accomplishments and careers DO NOT define one’s Clique

3) Clique status is immutable and determines your destiny.

V. “STAY IN YOUR LANE” (Theimmigrant, date unknown)

Ascending Within Your Clique

Clique Theory is not completely fatalistic. Your Will is what determines whether you'll be a Low Loser or High Loser, for example. But Will can't change what's immutable. When you use your Will to veer outside your lane, Bad things happen. Imagine if Einstein had tried to become a pro-athlete. He would have been bad at it, and the world would have been worse off without his contributions to science. That's what we're saying. That Einstein maximized his happiness by understanding that he was in the Nerd lane, and did what it took to become the Best Nerd possible.

Attempting to escape Clique = Disaster

Sometimes a person will belong to a certain Clique but be doing something totally outside that Clique's areas of competence, such as a Loser playing professional sports or a Prep working at a gas station. This is caused by a failure of that person to stay in their lane and usually portends disaster. People who do not stay in their Clique Lanes do not often have happy endings to their stories.

“STAY IN YOUR LANE”

Clique Flowchart

VI. CLIQUES FOR DUMMIES (Exnite)

1. Clique Traits in a Nutshell™ (Exnite, 10/3/13)

Preps

Advantages: Old money; trust-funds set up at birth; connections; highly selective breeding leading to high IQ's and good phenotypes; exclusivity; self-confidence; contempt for all other human beings outside the "Club"; laws specifically tailored to protect them; no moral compass other than Noblise Obligee; everything pre-wired for life-long success; hard to fuck up.

Disadvantages: Arrogance, snobbishness; aloofness; A-Hole-ishness. Another weakness of Preps is being personally corrupt. They're so used to stealing money from the system and from the other Cliques at the professional level that it spilled over into their private lives. That's why Prep politicians are constantly embroiled in influence peddling to tawdry sex scandals with Bimbos and Scumbaguettes.





Jocks

Advantages: Athletic prowess; courage; leadership; teamwork; work ethic; competition-driven, success oriented; rugged phenotypes; bigger dicks.

Disadvantages: Arrogance & narcissism; lower IQ's; lower self-awareness; lower adaptability once sports careers end; susceptibility to cheerleaderettes; physical injuries/early burn-out; lowest life expectancy of all Cliques. Off-the-charts superstitiousness.

Nerds

Advantages: Superior IQ's to all other Cliques; engineering and technology prowess; planning skills; perfectionism; ability to construct atomic weapons in the garage at an early age; oblivious to the powers of women .

Disadvantages: Oblivious to humanity; zero social skills; impractical; terrible phenotypes; physically weak/emotionally clueless; no self-awareness; highly susceptible to intimidation and bullying; poor eyesight.

Scumbags

Advantages: Brute strength and endurance, manual skills & craftsmanship; reproductive prowess; feral nature and instincts unencumbered by reflection, nuance or moral delusions.

Disadvantages: Lowest IQ of all Cliques; minimal education; zero self-awareness; poorest planning skills; poor impulse control; highly susceptible to substance abuse and the lure of Scumbaguettes.

Losers

Little more than Swiftian Ya-Hoos, their incompetence is a menace to themselves and others.

Advantages: NONE. Their high IQ’s plus high self-awareness are actually disadvantages, as these traits just aggravate their frustration and sense of failure as they attempt to jump their Lane; erudite, but only in things that don't count, like Liberal Arts.

Disadvantages: Inability to win at anything no matter what they do; highly aware but delusional; poor phenotypes, work ethic and motor skills; voracious sexual appetites but poor prospects tend to lead to perversion; highly susceptible to "get rich quick" schemes like Liberal Arts and the Law School Scam; lifetime non-dischargeable debt loads as a result of going to Law School; uncontrollable compulsion to spend their lives posting.

Women

Advantages: Powers of manipulation, seduction, intimidation and outright Bitchiness that are incomprehensible to the other Cliques; high pain tolerance and endurance; lowest IQ’s for data processing but highest emotional IQ's; totally instinct driven.

Weaknesses: Emotional; irrational; mistake and depression prone; physically weak; highly susceptible to the claims of religion and being pwn3d by other rivals within the Woman Clique; completely driven by their biological clocks and reproductive cycle.

Black "Clique"

Advantages: Athletic, sexual and musical prowess; a high hip and coolness factor; moral high ground; a legal system heavily slanted in their favor.

Disadvantages: Indecisiveness about their role in society; self-defeating behavior quotient (SDBQ) even higher than that of Losers; highly susceptible to being pwn3d by everyone; increasingly strange first names; language skills only vaguely approximate English.

2. Careers for Cliques: (Keithd)

Prep/Jew/Woman:

· Investment Banker

· Medical Doctor

· Prepxecutive

· Manager of Losers

Jock:

· Cop

· Professional athlete

· Coach

· High school teacher

· Sales

· Military

· CEO

Nerd:

· Engineer

· Parallel Programmer

· Medical Engineer

· Medical Doctor

· Quant

· Startup Founder

· Scientist

· Professor/Academia

· CEO

· CIO

· CFO





Loser:

· Administrative Assistant

· Telemarketer

· Any office job with low pay

· Mall cop

· Teacher*

· Nurse*

· Sales*

· Dentist*

· Medical job that isn't Nurse or Doctor*

· Liberal arts professor*

Scumbag:

· Factory worker

· Construction worker

· Mechanic

· Tradesman

· Drug dealer

· Cop/Prison guard*

· Military*

· *Betters moving in on this territory due to bad economy; there are limited economic opportunities in the 21st century for people with bad phenotypes.

3. How to get a job by Clique



If you're a Jock, interview with a Jock; if you're a Prep, interview with a Prep; if you're a Nerd, interview at any job that requires Engineering; and if you're a Scumbag, go to a workplace that requires manual labor and kick someone's ass. If you win the fight, you'll be hired.



If you're a High Prole (Scumbag, Ascended Form), go to a workplace that requires manual labor and kick the ass of the Scumbag who just won the fistfight on the shop floor. Then ask for a job as foreman.



If you're a Woman, go to any liberal arts firm and make $43,350/yr.



If you're a Loser, go on 300 job interviews until you catch lightning in a bottle and happen to walk into the interview room and identify the interviewer as a fellow Loser within .05 seconds. Accept the salary without negotiating, which will range between $19,000/yr and $43,350/yr. Make peace with the fact that you will never be promoted and that all your career moves will be "lateral." (Keithd, 9/10/13)







Scumbags, in earnest, just need to show up to the job site in their pickup or motorcycle (not a car) and ask if they're hiring. Same for the fast food place etc. Then, they have to call and follow up. Do this like 5 times and you'll have a Scumbag job. (theimmigrant, 9/11/13)

I talked to a roofer the other day. He was younger than me, had long hair, spoke really broken English, had forearms the size of hams, and had a hot girlfriend. A true High Scumbag. He probably makes about twice as much as me (in cash), but works his fucking balls off.



Still that's so much of a better fate than that of the Liberal Artist, who has been conditioned to fear Hard Work, and sucks at it anyhow. Plus the Scumbag can selectively ignore people by pretended to not speak English. (unemployedalcoholic, 9/11/13)

4. How to Identify a Scumbag (Theimmigrant/Keithd, 5/26/13)

Scumbag is the most misunderstood of all Cliques. This is likely because of the name, which tends to be used as an all-purpose derogatory term. In Clique Theory, however, a Scumbag is a specifically-defined term with a pseudo-scientific meaning and must be applied carefully and correctly.

All Scumbags will possess at least two of the following characteristics:

1. Highest level of education attained is high school.

2. Working for cash while on SSDI.

3. An unkempt residence.

4. Enrolled in TANF/Food-stamps, and/or WIC

5. A vehicle financed over 60 months; or major non-essential component of vehicle (Rimz, upgraded exhaust system, stereo system) is financed.

6. Sub-650 credit score.

7. Tattoo on arm below the elbow and/or above the neckline.

8. No less than 1 felony or 1 misdemeanor and 5 moving vehicle violations.

9. Past due on child support.

10. Amount of children exceeds amount of times wed.

11. Adjusted gross income that has never exceeded $24,000 since the real-estate crash.

12. Reliance on pay-day advances

13. Inability to describe the functions of the Federal Reserve.

Defining Characteristics of a Scumbag (OP believed to be Keithd)

Mental: Perhaps THE defining characteristic of the Scumbag is a lack of abstract reasoning ability. The Scumbag cannot imagine the future, cannot connect the present with the past, and has a very weak grasp on the theory of mind (the understanding that other people are independent beings with their own thoughts and feelings). This, coupled with a short-fuse temper, is what leads the Scumbag to commit most of his Scumbag acts. Take domestic violence as an example. Most people get angry at their significant others and may even want to hit them, but they realize A) Hitting a woman is Morally Wrong; B) Hitting a woman may lead to Legal Consequences; and C) If you hit This Woman it might Damage Your Relationship. These thoughts prevent you from acting on your violent thoughts or feelings. For the Scumbag the thought "Lurlene make Snake angry" is unrestrained by such abstract ideas and so Snake commences punching the object of his dissatisfaction. He may feel bad about it once his anger has passed, he may promise not to do it again (after all why would he hurt Nice Lurlene who he loves, a creature he does not connect to Mean Lurlene who tells him to stop drinking, since Scumbags have a poor sense of object permanence.) he may face Serious Consequences, but it doesn't matter. Next time Lurlene angers him he will go right back to it because he Lives-In-The-Moment and in the moment he is angry. Grrr, Snake Smash!

This inability to reason governs the rest of the Scumbag's life. He knows he has a crappy old car but is shocked when it breaks down and finds he has made no alternative plan to get to work. He is aware of a Court Date but blows it off because off-roading would be more pleasurable. He is then surprised when the cops show up and act like it was a Big Deal. In many ways the Scumbag, despite having some language skills and tool use capacity, is more animal than man. He goes drunk driving in an area he knows is patrolled by cops, is belligerent when ticketed, goes to jail for assault, and gets back out only to go drunk driving in a cop-infested area again. (An aside: Cops are often high-functioning Scumbags themselves, known as High Proles. See infra.)

These traits also make the Scumbag Clique difficult for outsiders to understand. A Scumbag will sleep with his friend's girlfriend and be confused when said friend is angry at him afterwards. They will engage in violent altercations with people and expect no bad feelings (even though Scumbags can hold an Irrational Grudge against people they perceive as having harmed them). Scumbags are volatile and unpredictable. You can be their best friend one moment and worst enemy the next, then best friend against before the end of the night.

Physical: Scumbag is a strong Clique, after Jocks, Jockgineers, and Medical Doctors. Their strength comes from a combination of the physical labor they do (even Scumbags who do not have paying jobs spend their time doing physical activities like wrenching on cars or poorly building illegal additions to their dwellings) and a genetic propensity towards strength. This strength can be amplified and paired with surprising speed when the Scumbag is angered, since they have the highest adrenal response of any clique. In appearance the Scumbag is likely to wear worn and threadbare clothes with stains and patches, have a generally unkempt appearance and many tattoos (this is because they do not understand the future and so have no compunction against altering their appearance permanently.) The Scumbag will often smell of sweat, motor oil, and cigarettes, with the addition of alcohol at night. Showering regularly is discouraged in the Scumbag community.

Vocations: Scumbags do not fear danger so employers favor them for dangerous jobs such as unskilled construction, trucking and other transportation, and similar jobs. They also have a high tolerance for the disgusting, so many sanitation workers and janitors are Scumbag Clique. The Scumbag is poorly suited for any job that requires punctuality or high-order reasoning. Scumbags can also be politicians from areas that demand their politicians have low intelligence and education.

Peak: Scumbags tend to peak in their late teens/early 20s before their reckless lifestyle catches up with them. There is often another, smaller, peak in their 40s when they get to see their children follow in their Scumbag footsteps. Nothing makes a Scumbag Dad prouder than picking up his Scumbag kid from the jail on a charge of public intoxication or statutory rape. Scumbags are able to live vicariously through their children, but only if they are also Scumbags, since Scumbags have no interest in the activities of other Cliques.

JDU Encounters: Most JDU members primarily encounter Scumbags from the safety of the Internet. Scumbags need a lot of Legal Services, often in criminal and family law contexts. They make Horrible Clients for Lawyers (who themselves tend to be Liberal Artists, Losers [Nerds and Liberal Artistry are mutually exclusive], or Preps), as their lack of forward-thinking ability and inability to take Advice often will hamstring their cases, and they will Take It Out on the Lawyer.

Scumbags represent Human/Feral instinct, and are almost entirely unaware or acknowledging of other Cliques. Scumbag wouldn't attend a dinner party of Medical Doctors and Liberal Artists if God* invited him.

Hybrids:

ScumJock: This is a fairly common hybrid and many Scumbags can appear to be Jocks in their youth due to their superior strength. The ScumJock is distinguished from the pure Scumbag by his athletic superiority and his possession of some level of motivation and understanding of delayed gratification (see working out/practice.) He is differentiated from the pure Jock by his tendency to get into trouble and lack of foresight. The athlete who gets face tattoos, drives drunk on a suspended license before the big game, or is in constant trouble with the law is likely a ScumJock hybrid.

Fratbag: The prototypical Prep/Scumbag hybrid belongs to a fraternity at a State School where he is failing out. He is distinguished by his Bad Grades, lack of understanding of social cues at a Prep Level, and lack of foresight in his sexual assaults. A Prep predator carefully plans his rapes and grooms his victims while a Fratbag just clumsily attacks, leaving lots of evidence and leading to trouble for him and his Frat. Fratbags can get jobs in politics but often derail themselves through scandals caused by their failure to think ahead.

Scumgineer: Rarest of the Scumbag hybrids because engineering generally requires at least some level of abstract reasoning ability. Occasionally a Scumbag savant will have this ability in one area but not in another or a person from a Scumbag family will have other Scumbag traits but also ability to reason. Scumgineers are rare but have great value to employers in Scumbag heavy businesses who need engineering done. It's all well and good to design your oil rig back in a Cushy Office in Houston but who is going to go implement your plan on the high seas, surrounded by convicts and other Scumbags? The Scumgineer comes to the rescue. His Scumbag side allows him to mesh with the Scumbag clique working on the rig while he does your engineering labor. He also has the typical Scumbag's lack of fear of danger, so his danger premium is relatively low. Scumgineers can also be found in other Engineering Jobs but they are wasting their value there and often wash out quickly, unable to mesh with the Nerds. If you ever meet a Young Scumgineer do the world a favor and guide him to Field Work where he will be happy and productive.

Loser Scumbag: The lowest of the low. These are Scumbags who are rejected by their own Scumbag Clique, such as Serial sex offenders, Career Criminals (themselves a Distinct sub-Clique) who consistently get caught, perpetually unemployed Mechanics with missing fingers etc. A Loser Scumbag is a dangerous person and should be avoided.

Ascended Scumbags: The High Prole. Certain Scumbags manage to gain a level of abstract thinking later in life. They become high Proles and can do more complex work than the average Scumbag. Tradesmen are often ascended Scumbags, as are Good Mechanics, many police and firemen, and effective blue collar managers (Many blue-collar managers are just normal Scumbags because you need someone who can communicate with the Scumbag rank and file and who will work in an office.) High Proles never lack for work and can make 6 figures or more, especially if they go into business for themselves.

· Like, 90% of rural America are Scumbags. Their phenotypes are SO obvious. This has been generations in the making. (theimmigrant, 8/22/13)

· When you go to a Scumbag area of town, you always know it because it's full of Scumbags, and they'll do Scumbag things. Like, when you enter a Scumbag neighborhood, they all just stop what they're doing and stare at you. Not in a way that makes you think they're going to jump you or anything. But then they just sort of stare at you until you go away, like they've never seen a non-Scumbag before. Either that or they'll quickly disperse or run inside, like you're the po-po or something, and I guess they assume that it doesn't seem stranger or more suspicious that they're running inside abruptly instead of just continuing to mind their business.





· Also, Scumbags drive big trucks that make lots of noise, and they wear clothes that are supposed to be considered "edgy." Scumbag women dress like skanks when they're young, but usually have three kids with three different guys by age 21, two of whom were fathered by Scumbags, and one of whom is a mixed race kid because the girl had to find out if black guys really do have bigger dicks. I get the feeling that Scumbag women are easy, kind of like Hipster women, but in both cases, you have to be in the right Clique to fuck them. So the Scumbag version of ****head probably pulls mad ass among the Scumbag girls.





· Scumbags are guys that eat fried bologna sandwiches in Richmond. (Exnite)





· Sugar packets are like catnip for Scumbags. (Cleverloginname, 9/18/13)





· If you ever want to know anything about the party scene anywhere, just ask a local Scumbag or Scumbaguette. Scumbags always know about the party scene because Scumbags don't foolishly spend their lives thinking about liberal arts, trying to keep up with the Joneses, or Engineering things. Your average Scumbag starts partying at like age 13, and keeps doing it as long as physically possible.



Scumbags have jobs that require punching a clock and doing routine tasks like moving things or lifting things that don't require taking work home with them or working past shift change. And even if they do, they get paid "overtime," which gives them more money to spend on partying. Scumbags will routinely say things like, "I go out 5 nights a week," though this is only like one week out of the month, right after they get paid, at which point they use their entire paycheck on going out, and don't have any more money until the First, or until they fix someone's car or something. The only time Scumbags don't go out is when they're broke, they have too many kids, or when they accumulate so many DUIs that they are disallowed from driving anywhere other than to or from work by law. (Keithd, 9/14/13)





· Scumbags get laid constantly by all sorts of women; they do that because they are feral. They operate totally on instinct and never think about the consequences. Losers have lost this innate instinct, replacing it with silly, useless concepts like what constitutes a social construct. They only get laid whenever a unicorn graces their presence. (Onefortheteam, 9/14/13)





· Losers have it the hardest though. They are the most cerebral of Cliques when it comes to women, and they usually have to get really drunk to regain any of their feral instincts or spontaneity. (Wily, 9/14/13)





· If you ever want to know anything about the party scene anywhere, just ask a local Scumbag or Scumbaguette. Scumbags always know about the party scene because Scumbags don't foolishly spend their lives thinking about liberal arts, trying to keep up with the Joneses, or Engineering things. Your average Scumbag starts partying at like age 13, and keeps doing it as long as physically possible.



Scumbags have jobs that require punching a clock and doing routine tasks like moving things or lifting things that don't require taking work home with them or working past shift change. And even if they do, they get paid "overtime," which gives them more money to spend on partying. Scumbags will routinely say things like, "I go out 5 nights a week," though this is only like one week out of the month, right after they get paid, at which point they use their entire paycheck on going out, and don't have any more money until the First, or until they fix someone's car or something. The only time Scumbags don't go out is when they're broke, they have too many kids, or when they accumulate so many DUIs that they are disallowed from driving anywhere other than to or from work by law. (Keithd, 9/14/13)

· Scumbags are like the cockroaches of the human race. If class warfare actually broke out Losers, Preps, Jocks, and Nerds could all slaughter each other till extermination, and Scumbags will still survive, despite their apparent inability to plan beyond 5 minutes. Truth be told, Scumbags would be humanity's only hope for survival. They go and we're all doomed. Do you know how to build a house where the roof doesn’t leak? A Scumbag does, even if he hasn’t been taught. Some shit is just high level feral. (Onefortheteam, 9/14/13)

· Scumbags don't know how to build a home in its totality. But thanks to division of labor, a team of Scumbags, led by a Jock or Prep, can implement the Nerd's design. (Anotherjd, 9/14/13)





· Scumbags are the very essence of America. While Preps were sitting pretty in East Coast cities or plantation houses, Scotch-Irish Scumbags were out there killing Indians, clearing land, and planting fields. Scumbags won the War of 1812, led in the Battle of New Orleans by Andrew Jackson, the greatest Scumbag in American history. Scumbags won the Mexican War; otherwise Themmigrant's hometown would be Ciudad de Carson.

The decline of America can be directly attributed to the ascent of the Loser. Preps, like the poor, will always be with us; every nation will have a ruling class, they're almost irrelevant. We sent the Scumbags' jobs overseas and told their kids they were worthless without a Liberal Arts degree. We know how that's been working out. (Ellellou, 9/14/13)

· The Scumbags are doing just fine, thank you very much. It's the sons and daughters of boomer liberal artists who worked as a middle manager at Chrysler for forty years pushing paper who are the ones that are fucked up. If Scumbags find their way to "college" it's usually to a community college to get a welding or HVAC certificate.(Sparky, 9/14/13)

· Nerds and Preps just understand things in the abstract. Give a Nerd a hammer and nails and somehow he'll manage to nail his hand to the shingle of a roof and hang helpless until a Scumbag bails him out. Well it depends, in today's day of division of labor the Scumbag is more dependent on the Prep's ability to plan on the macro level. Revert to sticks and stones and Scumbags are the cornerstone of survival. (Onefortheteam, 9/14/13)





· Scumbags are the backbone of this country and probably all countries. Preps can't fix a water heater or really do anything other than paper work. Scumbags could harness perpetual motion in a few days with the right budget. NASA shouldn't be hiring Nerds, they should be hiring Scumbags.

Losers are thinking about things while Scumbags are doing things. The Loser secretly envies the Scumbag. The Loser has Expectations which he knows he can never fulfill, and the Scumbag has no Expectations and is free to move about life as he pleases, often very spontaneously. In high school the Scumbag is working on cars and fucking the girl next door, while the Loser is thinking about liberal arts and jerking off. The only thing Losers and Scumbags have in common is wearing nametags to work. Even then the Scumbag's nametag is sewn on or painted on a truck cab, and the Loser's is clipped on. (Unemployedalcoholic, 9/15/13)

5. What Nerds and Scumbags have in Common (Keithd, 8/27 & 29/13)



Neither of them is self-aware.



Nerds, despite Hollywood constantly conflating them with Losers, are essentially walking brains. They are brains with a vestigial body. They care about Engineering and nothing else. (Note: video games and science fiction are subsets of Engineering).



Have you ever met a Nerd Woman? If so, you'll realize that she has no clue how to do basic, make-herself-look-hot things that other members of the Woman Clique learn to do at like age 14. She also lacks natural sexual charisma, even if she is proportioned correctly or has great facial symmetry. She'll walk around wearing frumpy sweatshirts even if she has perky c-cups that are begging to be shown off.



The Scumbag, similarly, lacks self-awareness, but for the opposite reason --- the Scumbag is instinct-driven and has not developed higher order intellectual capabilities, like reasoning, understanding cause-and-effect, or impulse control. This leads Scumbags to be as close to nature as a human can get.

Scumbag Women are inherently sexual. Scumbag men are more driven to embrace violence than any other men, and violence is the means by which you survive in nature.



The lack of self-awareness on both the part of the Nerd and Scumbag makes them oddly contented Cliques. Contrast both with the Loser, whose heightened, almost super self-awareness ensures that he will feel the tinge of ignominy throughout his pitiful Loserly existence.

Losers look down on Scumbags' lack of self-awareness, while Scumbags think Losers are educated idiots, recognizing that many Losers have Good IQs and Bad instincts, but because they are Scumbags, they are unable to articulate it that way or to understand it. So Scumbags will just decide that Losers are "dumbasses" and pussies and will Not Respect them. Also, Losers are incapable of doing any type of Scumbag work without fucking things up. This adds to the Scumbags' disdain for Losers, who can study liberal arts but who can't seem to mop a floor properly.

Losers loathe and fear Scumbags more than any other Clique, because of their virile strength, violent natures, and freedom to say whatever is on their minds. Altercations with Scumbags never end well unless you can project strength and win through intimidation. (Keithd, 8/27 & 29/13)



In fact, I think a major reason why Losers try so hard to get into white collar fields is to avoid Scumbags. I mean, Jocks are bad enough, but at least educated Jocks are sometimes protective of Losers because of some shared educational experiences (went to college together, etc.) and because Jocks sometimes feel magnanimous. There's like, no shared experiences between Losers and Scumbags, except that often neither makes a lot of money. Actually, this fact makes their relations worse. A low desk-monkey Loser looks down on a Scumbag for not have a BA and knowing facts; while the Scumbag looks down on the Loser for not being manly and knowing how to do things. (Wily, 8/29/13)

This is why High Losers understand that the only path to success for a Loser is to either find a non-Loser benefactor, sort of like Francescadi-whatshername did by marrying her Jock husband, or to basically go full Nietzsche and make an amoral Will to Power one's sole goal in life. (Theimmigrant, 9/18/13)

High Losers tend to be sociopaths who victimize other Losers, their only potential target. (Vespucius, 9/18/13)

High Losers can fit in executive board meetings. (Causanortis, 9/20/13)

I suppose high Loser is a Loser that by sheer luck becomes immensely successful

(Pharmstudent, 9/20/13)

Theimmigrant is correct. A Loser can be rich. Clique Theory does not predict wealth, so much as it predicts how members of different Cliques handle life's vagaries, as well as its more predictable moments. When a Loser becomes rich, he will be Bad at being rich. He may become an unpleasant miser, or he may be a dislikable asshole, or he may try to do Good Things with his wealth, but end up being ineffective at it. Whatever he does with his wealth, he will suck at it.

For a stylized version of what a rich Loser is like, please see the end scene of Office Space in which Milton awkwardly hangs out at a beach resort. The worst thing about being a Loser is believing that everything that happens around you has something to do with you, when in fact No One Cares about you or anything you are doing. Understanding this fact takes the sting out of being a Loser. (Abazungu, 10/1 & 14/13)

Many Losers and Scumbags die like 30 seconds after hitting old age. "Brief illness" = heart attack. Of course. They can't get a Top Disease, so they pull a Cheney. (Theimmigrant, 10/3/13)

Cheney is a Loser, but maybe not a High Loser. Although he became very powerful I think he may experience very low life satisfaction and happiness, in which case he is not an Ascended form of anything. (Myth, 10/11/13)

Only Losers can be comedians. (Theimmigrant, 9/21/13)







6) Educating the Cliques (OP believed to be Keithd)

An important topic that comes up is "How to Raise One's Child by Clique". If you bought into the "high school doesn't matter", then B.S.! Parents, teachers, and the media aren't helping. They've all colluded in spreading the lie that Cliques don't matter, or don't exist in adulthood. How hypocritical of adults to think that Cliques are immature or quaint when they are the very foundation of our society.

Imagine if a study were done on the average earnings by Clique, broken out by educational level. A Jock dropout would probably beat most Loser PhDs.

Prep: Buy them Abercrombie, DO NOT buy them **** from JC Penney, drive them everywhere, buy them a BMW ASAP, enroll them in SAT Prep, if they suck at sports, enroll them in sports that cost money and thus limit competition e.g. hockey, golf. If they are physically weak, focus on having them participate in the “soft” sports like golf, tennis, handball etc. which can be useful in closing multi-billion dollar leveraged buy-out deals in the future. Find online paid services to write their term papers and paid imposters to take their standardized tests, and even go to class for them. Make sure they maintain at least a “Gentlemen’s “C” average during undergrad years by making a substantial endowment to the University Board of Trustees. Get them a high grade hooker no later than age 16.

Jock: Enroll them in Sports, make brownies for Scouts. Buy weightlifting equipment and secure the required uniforms. Make them sleep in the uniform, next to their football, baseball bat etc. Inculcate them with the history of sports. Hire private coaches. Make them practice relentlessly Hire faux students to go to class for them so they get their 10,000 hours in by the time they go to college. Get them a low grade hooker no later than age 16.

Nerd: Buy them an Atari with BASIC installed and make them teach themselves BASIC. Enroll them in online virtual reality worlds. Buy them Flash drives and Flash costumes and make them watch “The Big Bang Theory” every night. Purchase any and all new technology gadgets but throw away the instruction book so they are forced to figure it out for themselves. Purchase books on masturbation.

Loser: Teach them that God exists, and then mock them for their morality when they are 12, encourage them to suck at sports, look the other way with their academics, buy them Bad Clothes, pressure them to go to college and look the other way when they foolishly major in liberal arts, passive-aggressively show your disappointment and disapproval with them by, say, randomly speaking highly of Engineers, do not buy them a car, do not help pay for college (maybe, like, books for the first year, or help with the FAFSA, but that's IT). Expose them to porno and JDU/OT. Talk up Law School no matter what their academic credentials are.

Hot Girl: Do not molest them, even though they're hot, tell them that "SAT scores measure just one kind of intelligence." Provide an unlimited budget for clothes and cosmetics.

Fat Girl: Call them fat, start force feeding liberalism and Feminism, they’re going to need it.

Ugly girl: Arrange a marriage with an Engineer

Scumbag: Beat them relentlessly. They will never behave, ever, without a strong deterrent, even as adults. Beat the **** out of them, this is how you raise Scumbags and why there is a proud tradition of beatings in the Scumbag Clique. Buy them a 1988 Camaro the day they turn 16 if you haven't already abandoned your family. Provide trade school training or a trip to the nearest Armed Forces recruiting office.

7. Clique Math?



Game theory has Nash equilibrium (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nash_equilibrium), thus Clique Theory obviously has Wily Equilibrium. I named it after Wily because it involves math and he's Asian. I’m sure as hell wasn't going to name it after Brokenface. Wily, please work out the math behind this in a long-form post. (Cavebro (Oct 7, 2013 - 10:29 pm)



"Stay in Your Lane" is, essentially, the clique Nash Equilibrium. (Thecharmingmresq, 10/7/13)





Thank you for your contribution to the literature. (Cavebro, 10/7/13)







Most of what I know about the Nash equilibrium is from A Beautiful Mind. It's reached when you pick the best choice for yourself GIVEN knowledge of the strategies of the other players. So the example used in the movie is, there's a hot girl, an average girl, and an ugly girl - you should go for the average girl, because you know the hot girl will receive the most attention.

ANYWAY. The Wily Equilibrium is as follows:







Where f(x) = pleasure in life, f is the Clique Theory function, x is coolness, P is the amount of coolness needed to be a Prep:





If x < P

then: lim f(x), x -> 0 = 0

and lim f(x), x -> P = 0





Basically, it's a bell curve or cosine curve. If you aren't cool at all, life sucks, and if you're a Loser, trying to be as cool as Prep also makes your life suck. That's the best I could do. QED. (Wily, 10/7/13)





I'm so fucking proud of you right now I'm crying. (Cavebro, 10/7/13)





I may have to re-evaluate your Clique status, Wily Coyote. Only a Nerd would try to turn Clique Theory into math equations. (Exnite, 10/ 7/13)





Excellent post. (Cavebro, 10/10/13)

As Wily has just demonstrated, attorneys are terrible at math. But it turns out there IS a branch of “Spectral Graph Theory” in High Mathematics where "Clique" has been characterized. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with JDU Clique Theory, but who's gonna know that except Nerds? (Exnite 10/8/13)

VI. CASE STUDIES



1. Portrait of an Anonymous Loser as a Young Man

2. Paul of Tarsus, Loser Who Becomes Ascended Loser

3. Peter of “Office Space”, Loser who becomes an Ascended Loser

4. President Bill Clinton, Loser, Scumbag, or what?

5. Abraham Lincoln, Jockengineer

6. Clique Assessment of Gov. Chris Christie

7. Loser Georgecostanza

8. Woman Clique Priorities

9. At What Ages Do the Respective Cliques Peak?

10. Lifespans of the Cliques

11. Losers v. Nerds: GPA

12. Cliques and Academia

13. Clique Theory and the Law School Scam

14. Law School by Clique

15. Not Caring ® by Clique

16. Lane v. Clique

17. Holiday Plans by Clique

18. Cliques in the Looney-Bin

Case Study 1. Portrait of an Anonymous Loser as a Young Man (Friendlybum)

Hypothesis: The essential characteristics of the Cliqueless Loser are struggle and disappointment.

During very young childhood a child's peers are defined by their parents and caretakers, so that other children are often forced to associate with a Cliqueless Loser during playdates and park activities and while they wish to eject him from their group, sensing his Cliqueless nature, they cannot because their caretakers encourage them to "share" and "be social" in Preparation for their lives as members of a Clique where they will look out for and aid their fellow Clique members.

The Loser thus does not become aware of his Loser status in its true form until the age when children get to select their own playmates and social peers. In Third grade he expects that Sally Jenkins, whose Nerd mom is friends with HIS Nerd mom, will invite him to her birthday party along with the rest of the class only to find that no invitation is forthcoming and when he asks Sally about it she openly mocks him to the great amusement of all others in the area. He is hurt and disappointed but believes this to be an anomaly in his life and is disappointed again when he does not receive an invitation from Brad or Jerry, and when Mike's mom forces Mike to invite him he finds himself shunned and alone while the others play.

The Loser buries himself in media and goes to adults for help where he receives the same message, things are tough now but you will grow out of it. The third grade Loser is the 6th grade winner. He believes this for a time, and does see others move up and down in the social strata, but ultimately, if he is smart, he figures out to his crushing disappointment that some are stuck at the bottom and cannot rise no matter their efforts. He holds out hope for reinventing himself in high school and then in college but fails miserably both times because of his natural limitations and the nature of the Cliques.

He will struggle to find a place and be disappointed. He will struggle to achieve like a Jock or a Nerd and be disappointed when he inevitably fails. He will struggle to be carefree and easygoing like a Scumbag but his Loser nature will leave him anxious and, of course, disappointed by his failure.

For the rest of his life, then, the Loser continues futilely to chase a dream he can never reach. Things never come easily to him because he has no lane to stay in. While the other Cliques find their stride the Loser attempts to emulate them to no success. The Nerd enjoys studying and finds it easy. The Loser must spend agonizing hours poring over books to get good grades only to find that they are not rewarded because it is not the grades that get the Nerd hired, the grades and the job are both mere side effects of his being a good Nerd. The Jock enjoys working out and sees significant results, while the Loser spends hateful mornings trying to get in shape only to tweak a muscle or break a bone, setting him back to square one. Even Scumbags can find their place, since they have the ability to ascend to High Prole and become a prosperous plumber or electrician and live a happy life. The Loser can also become a plumber, but he will be the plumber nobody else wants to work with and nobody wants to hire twice, eking out a pitiful plumber existence.

Every time the Loser tries to find a place or a lane he is smashed back out of it and back into his proper place. This leads to a life of failure and disappointment. Nothing comes easy, nothing is stable, and there is no sense of security or belonging.

The saddest thing is if a Loser impregnates a woman while masquerading as be-Cliqued. The child will either be another Loser or will be a Cliqued child that the Loser will pour all of his hopes and dreams into only to find himself rejected by the child when it matures (how many kids don't visit or really acknowledge their Loser dad even though he tried his hardest to be a good father, while instead favoring their Nerd stepfather who they consider their 'real dad'?) or his genes will express themselves in another Loser and he will have to experience the pain of vicarious disappointment and knowing the horrible fate that awaits his Loser son.

What must it be like for a Loser dad sitting alone in the bleachers watching his Loser son's little league teammates taunt or ignore him? That must be very close to hell on earth.

Anyway, anyone can be poor or fat or unlucky but only the Loser can try his hardest every time and receive nothing but disappointment. He is a mule with a carrot dangled in front of his face by a rider on his back, walking ever forward but getting no cLoser to reward. He is a mole in whack a mole, always rising and being smashed back into place by the world. Yet he cannot accept his lot (no lane) so he must constantly be struggling and constantly be disappointed.

Study Discussion, Case 1

· No. Most people are in Cliques. Also, not all Losers are Cliqueless. Some are in Loser Cliques like Goth, emo, and "Kids who suck who hang out together, and their only common bond is that they are Losers." The Cliqueless Loser is the type who majors in liberal arts and goes to Law School, e.g. most of Qfora.

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· Age 12 seems to be the cutoff when adults Stop siding with the well behaved kid or kid with the best IQ, and start siding with the coolest kid in disputes between kids. I am CONVINCED that this is primal and instinctive. Sort of like, "this Loser kid sucks, and is just going to pass on his Loser genes if he does it all, so let's give every advantage we can to the kid with the good phenotype, so that he will Win in life and make the species Better." There's just no way for a Loser NOT to Lose, because phenotype is so salient. If you LOOK like a Loser by middle school, you will ALWAYS be fighting an uphill battle with Life. (Ke1thd, 12/23/14)

· The only way to succeed as a Loser is go to full sociopath. Remember the scene in Breaking Bad, where Gus Fring is being questioned by the DEA, and he Keeps a Straight Face While Lying, Doesn't Give In To A Table Full of Jocks, etc? A normal Loser would CRUMBLE in that situation, because Losers feel guilty when interrogated whether they've done anything wrong or not. The assumption is that they are guilty just by virtue of being suspected by their Betters. The Only Way To Win for a Loser is to learn how human nature works and game it out amorally, thus becoming a High Loser. Though I can't imagine ANY Loser, High or otherwise, NOT cringing when asked about their parents. (keithd, 12/26/14)

Losers never marry the girl next door.







medicalastronaut (Jan 4, 2016 - 10:55 pm)







Never ever, ever. The Loser goes on his first date at age 16 and a half. He picks up the girl not in a brand new Trans Am (Prep), a rebuilt Trans Am (Scumbag), or a Jeep with no doors (Jock), but in his grandmother’s old Corolla. He spends the entire time respecting the girl and doesn’t get laid, not understanding the end game since, being a Loser, it is his nature to misunderstand the nature of all human interaction. The Loser doesn’t lose his virginity until age 18, when his parents contract with a Liberal Arts college to arrange for the Loser’s forced integration with Loser Women inside of overpriced Soviet style architecture.



In my dorm freshmen year, the rooms were separated by Clique somehow. The A-Wing was for Losers and Liberal Artists. B-Wing was for Scumbags, and Drug Dealers, and C-Wing for Hot Girls and Jocks. The system itself decided where everyone would live and sleep without any conscious human input. Everyone in C-Wing went to frat parties or private parties, and used fake IDs to get into bars. Everyone in A-Wing went to the nastiest parties, usually in basements, often wandering around campus in big groups before finding one open to them, and paying to get in.



Losers also don’t bring a car to school freshman year, since being losers, they believe the propaganda that the campus is a Utopia where transportation isn’t needed. They walk enormous distances and take buses to Walmart at 5:00 PM on Saturday.



This is all due to the Loser’s upbringing by his parents and authority figures. When you are young you are force-fed misconceptions about life. For example that kindness is a virtue, women should be respected, people who assert themselves vigilantly and get what they want are assholes, physical labor is worse than death, and that if you follow all the rules and work hard you can have whatever you want. Then- if you believe and internalize all those things and act accordingly, you become a Loser Adult and live the rest of your life as such. If you instinctively ignore the rules and forget them and just do whatever you want, you ascend into one of the Cliques, get laid in high school, develop a jovial personality, and everyone respects you all the more for having not fallen into the trap. This is how the ranks of man are assembled. Loser parents are secretly ashamed of their Loser offspring for believing all the stupid nonsense they taught them in adolescence.







avalanchediode (Jan 4, 2016 - 11:00 pm)







"Loser parents are secretly ashamed of their Loser offspring for believing all the stupid nonsense they taught them in adolescence."



Wouldn't happen. Loser parents believe the stupid nonsense.





medicalastronaut (Jan 4, 2016 - 11:02 pm)







They believe it but nevertheless begrudge their offspring for believing it, often unconsciously. In Losers, massive psychological internal contradictions are normal.







theimmigrant (Jan 4, 2016 - 11:57 pm)







Credited. Credit to Kieth for "getting" this way before I did. Your OP is basically Kieth material imho.



The thing with me was I was always getting in trouble growing up for seemingly no reason. I broke the rules I guess, or at least the Loser version of the rules where everything is stricter. Losers basically can't win even when they realise that most of what they're told is flame. For a Loser to stay within society's expectations of him is like balancing on a knife edge.







keithd (Jan 5, 2016 - 12:48 am)







Yep. This is all canon KeithD material here. I still remember my Loser Woman socially conservative yet fiscally liberal conservative Catholic grandmother's reax when my brother told everyone that I went to a strip club in college. There was a touch of pride in her reaction, and almost a sense of relief that I wasn't secretly gay and/or hope that I'd stop being a pu$$y and start getting laid.



The reality is that Loser adults, for reasons unknown to anyone, even to themselves, feel compelled to believe in things that they know are Not True, and then teach their kids these things, hoping the kids will rebel and shake off the shackle of the Loser, maybe even ascending to a Clique propre.

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Case Study 2. Saul of Tarsus, Loser Who Becomes Ascended Loser (Keithd)

Saul of Tarsus was a Loser. He clearly understood liberal arts given his use of analogies to Mystery Religions in his writings. But he was nothing more than a tentmaker, possibly because he came from Scumbag roots. He also couldn't get laid, a fact which he bragged about (he said he wasn't married, and like, all men were married back then). After striking out at OCI, he went mad and became a "disciple" of Yeshua, cleverly modifying his work to sell to the Greco-Roman masses, and thus achieving the rank of High Loser.

Case Study 3. Peter of “Office Space”, Loser who becomes an Ascended Loser

Office Space is actually a movie about Clique Theory. Peter is a Cliqueless Loser who over thinks things, which prevents him from asking Jennifer Aniston out, or standing up to Lumbergh. He doesn't even realize his own girlfriend is cheating on him, while his Scumbag neighbor, who is feral and operates according to instinct, does...

Peter: I get the feeling my girlfriend's cheating on me.

Scumbag Neighbor: (nonchalantly) Yeah, I get that feeling too, man.

Once Peter undergoes hypnosis, he stops thinking and begins operating on instinct. Suddenly, his life turns around, because he stops calculating and just starts hunting. He asks Jennifer Aniston out, not in the neurotic, "creepy" way he would have before, but in a natural way, that disarmed her fight or flight instinct. His decision to just blow off work makes him seem rebellious, which people secretly like, which is why he gets promoted.

Essentially, Peter is a Loser who starts to Win at life because he sheds the primary psychological roadblock of the Loser, which is to actually believe it when your parents, teachers, and cartoon characters tell you that they want you to behave, believe in God, and think of other people, when what they actually mean is that they want you to rebel, think of yourself, and realize that God doesn't exist.

Case Study 4. President Bill Clinton, Loser, Scumbag or What?

(Onefortheteam, 9/1/13)

· Bill Clinton is like High-High-Scumbag Prole, the likes of which only appears once every couple of millennia. His IQ was so high it was simply enough to let him coast through life, yet he couldn't resist screwing Monica Lewinsky when the opportunity presented itself (Scumbags have bad impulse control).





· Take away 50 IQ points from Bill and he's back at trailer parks, drinking natty lite, with multiple baby mamas.





· Look at his brother Roger Clinton, arrested several times for drug possession and attempt to sell. He’s also a drifter who occasionally sings (terribly) in dungy rock groups. A classic example of Scumbag DNA.

Discussion:

· Clinton is tough to categorize. He has the popularity and success of a Prep, the upbringing and sexual proclivities of a Scumbag, and the liberal arts goals of a Loser. In his wonkiest moments, he is even a bit of Nerd. His most salient traits, though, seem to be of a High Loser (goal of running politics) and Scumbag (fucking up his career and legacy with distasteful women). (Wily, 8/31/13)

· No, you pretty much nailed it. He shouldn’t have any Prep in him, though. Romney is a Prep. (Theimmigrant, 8/31/13)

Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar and obviously a high Prep! (Myth, 7/31/13)

· Stop being Bad at Clique Theory. This assumes IQ correlates with the socioeconomic status of your parents, which it does NOT. A Prep, by definition, comes from an upper middle income family or above. Bill Clinton comes from a Scumbag family, but his interest in liberal arts and his IQ put him in Loser territory. Wily's above Post is credited. He's a High Loser with Scumbag background and tendencies. (Keithd, 7/31/13)

Clinton is a High Scumbag. Hillary tried to pass him off as Prep, but the impeachment scandal clearly showed his failure to stay in his lane. A Prep or Jock would NEVER be humiliated like that by Clique-mates. Even the most die-hard skeptic need only to note Clinton's undergraduate major in discerning his true Clique. Major is highly salient in determining Clique, especially in deceitful hybrids. (Phillybum, 7/31/13)

Bill Clinton = Liberal Arts = Loser/Scumbag.

Jimmy Carter = Engineering = Nerd

Romney = Econ =Prep

Clinton might be like a Scumbag because he was a man of the people, but he was obviously a Prep. You can't be a Rhodes Scholar without being a Prep.

You might say that his IQ and his grasp of economics were Nerd-like, but he is not a Nerd because of his lack of antisocial tendencies and his leadership ability.

He is clearly a Prep during a time period of transition where the American public was fixated on his sex life and the Republicans were able to exploit this to impeach him because of the political capital that he was costing them by refuting their trickle-down economics/fight wars ideology by implementing sensible policies good for the nation and leading us into a period of prosperity. Science had advanced enough to allow DNA in semen to constitute substantial evidence, the House of Representatives was full of bitter Republicans, and the American public was still obsessed with notions of family values and fairness enough to think that it was some kind of breach of duty to them personally that their president was able to get away with infidelity.

There are gazillions of horndog Preps, if you try to argue that somebody's label within Clique Theory is predictive of their sexual proclivities, you're going to be in a world of uncertainty because of the broad diversity in terms of what people consider to be sexually attractive. Not only is there a dearth of evidence on the topic since sex happens in private, but also how do we know that LBJ didn't have a fetish for blowing monkeys? How do we know that JFK wasn't turned on by Jew semen? Because he was a Prep? That's begging the question. (Myth 8/1/13)

· They have everything to do with phenotype and genotype. Everything. (theimmigrant, 5/4/13)

"Loser" is a term of art. Obviously, as president, he climbed to the highest level of success. But, deep down, a Loser is a Loser and a Scumbag a Scumbag. It's an innate characteristic. (Anotherjd 9/1/13)

· You have failed to grasp Clique Theory. (Theimmigrant)

• No, onefortheteam is correct. Remember the rookie mistake of assuming that career path or professional accomplishments define Clique. No they don't. Genotype and phenotype define Clique. Personal and professional accomplishments are then the result of your Clique, with acts of will only able to determine whether you end up in High or Low status within your Clique. Also, don't forget Clique Hybrids. Clinton was a Scumbag/Loser hybrid, but like onefortheteam said, he was in the High, HIGH category of each, like, the most ascended form possible.

(Keithd, 9/1/13)

As for Bubba, the Scumbag in him tempered the tendency for mental illness and the Loser part was simply so ascended that his ability to Win could not be repressed. There is also the fact that he's from the middle of nowhere. Cliques first started in the established eastern cities and outlying suburbs before spreading to the middle of nowhere. He was an early Boomer, and boomers were basically the first generation to have Cliques. Take a look at Ron Reagan - That is a Cliqueless president. LBJ, Teddy Roosevelt - nary a Clique.

• Stop labeling the presidents of the United States as Losers! (Myth)

One does not gain the acceptance of their peers and negotiate themselves into the top executive position in the nation without being anything other than a winner.

A few weeks ago you guys were stretching to find an instance of a "Loserxecutive." Now you have labeled Clinton and Jefferson as Losers.

You can't observe what's going on deep down. The fact that he climbed to the highest level of success is evidence that he is a winner. (Myth, 8/1/13)

• Preps do not get impeached for screwing an intern. (Phillybum, 8/1/13)

• Sure they do. Getting impeached is a function of a majority of the House of Representatives being Republicans, and not a function of Bill Clinton's "innate characteristics." (Myth, 8/1/13)

• Preps don't screw Paula Jones and get sued. A Prep wouldn't look twice at trailer trash. QED.

• The totality of the evidence concerning whether or not Bill Clinton got sued or screwed Paula Jones is only a scintilla of evidence relevant to the inquiry of determining his Clique.

The great weight of the evidence consists in the fact that he led the nation into its greatest period of prosperity and sensible policies during the lifetimes of any non-boomer.

You can try to label a great man a Loser on the pretext that he got impeached but to me the inquiry into his impeachment is largely irrelevant, and as I said previously, not a function of what is "deep down" inside of him but instead was largely determined by circumstances in the environment, the time and place in which the events occurred. (Myth 8/1/13)

You're now discounting the post-undergraduate education of individuals like Clinton, who studied econ at Oxford, and so would be like Romney, who is a Prep, if he had made it his undergrad major at Georgetown. However, according to your proposed logic, since Clinton got a Rhodes scholarship and went to Oxford to study econ instead of majoring in econ at Georgetown, he's not a Prep... I reiterate that anyone who gets a Rhodes scholarship is almost undoubtedly a Prep with Nerd-like IQ.

• If nothing else, he is a DRIVEN man. I liken him in some ways to LBJ for that reason. The Scumbaggishness comes in I believe due to his propensity to feed his appetites and appease his at-the-moment instinctive wants. (Thedetroiter, 8/ 1/13)

· You have Clinton pinned all wrong. To recapitulate:



Georgetown undergrad = Prep

Rhodes Scholar = Prep

Led the nation into prosperity = not a Loser

Impeachment = red herring, Americans are obsessed with sex

Bohemian grove = not a Loser

Sense of humor/funny = not a Loser

In-depth knowledge of economics = Nerd-like

Too well-liked/popular to be a Loser, even a Cliqued Loser

Respected by more than 50% of people in the country = not a Loser

Loved = not a Loser

Fucked Monica = player, not necessarily a Scumbag, although regarded as a Scumbag by women Clique. (Myth, 8/18/13)

Case Study 5. Abraham Lincoln, Jockengineer (exnite, 8/16/13)







Explain this counter example: Abraham Lincoln. He came from non-Prep/Scumbag background. He failed at many endeavors prior to becoming President. He was lanky and ugly. Then he became the best President in our history. (Wily, 8/16/13)





· Intimidation. He was clearly a High Loser with a ScumJock bend (very strong, farmer). Clearly a Loser because his Dad hated him and insulted him in front of people. (The immigrant, 8/16/13)





You're slipping a little, both of you. Lincoln was actually a classic Jockengineer. He was a 6' 4" undefeated wrestler in his youth who routinely pummeled frontier Scumbags. And he was an amateur engineer who mastered Euclid on his own, loved nothing better than to inspect the latest engineering and naval projects around Washington, and even put in for a patent on a dredging system, I think it was, that he designed himself. He applied his formidable I.Q., problem solving skills and logic to the Law, and then to the foremost problem of his age: Abolition and the preservation of the Union. And he did it better than any of his Prep or Nerdexecutive peers, all of whom were Losers. As Myth says in a later post, he went on to transcend all Cliques. (Exnite, 8/16/13)





I don't think that qualifies as Jock - you sort of need an actual sport, and the culture around it, to make someone a Jock. In fact, I don't think Jocks existed back in the 19th century, for two reasons: sports didn't exist; and, everyone was physically active, because most people were farmers or laborers. So basically, in Lincoln's world there were only Preps, Nerds, Losers, and Scumbags. Lincoln was definitely not a Prep; he had some Nerd tendencies with his obsession with military weapons, etc.; he came from a Scumbag background; but his most salient qualities were his striving for leadership, superb political skill, and opposition to slavery - fundamentally Loser qualities. However, I disagree with keithd's thesis that all Losers are bad leaders, because Lincoln was a Loser and he was an excellent President. Other than the part about him wrestling, nothing in your post describes a Jock. Most are things that a High Loser would do. Remember, a Loser can be successful in life - but still have a Loser phenotype. Also, no one transcends Cliques. That's heresy. (Wily, 8/16/13)



I think you're wrong, Wily Coyote, go think about it some more. Everything I've said ideally describes Lincoln as both a Jock and an engineer. They didn't really have sports in Lincoln’s day. He was a thoroughgoing Jock though, splitting rails, cracking Scumbag heads, and physically dominating everyone around him. He would have been successful in any modern sport: football, basketball, boxing, cage fighting, etc. He was so strong and tough that his Dad rented him out to neighboring farmers to do their heavy lifting and other dirty work, which is why Lincoln developed such a unique hatred of slavery, as well as an understandable but more mundane hatred for his Dad, who was a worthless Scumbag. Google "Lincoln Wrestler" and "Lincoln Engineer" and you'll see I am right. His early career failures had nothing to do with his genotype, or phenotype according to CT. Leadership and skill are not Loser qualities: it’s a LACK of leadership and skills that defines them and determines their fate. And some people DO transcend Cliques, heresy or no. I fully agree with Myth in this regard. (Exnite, 8/16/13 2013)



I'll give you that he was an engineer - but so was every smart guy back in the day - it didn't take much formal science education to invent things then. But, I disagree that Losers cannot be effective leaders. They are NOT natural leaders, like Preps are, but sometimes sheer ambition and willpower can allow them to be effective leaders. Usually a Loser's leadership style includes intimidation, backdoor wheeling and dealing, long-planned out schemes, and threats and bribes, all of which Lincoln did to achieve his goals as President. (Wily, 8/16/13)





I agree that Losers can WILL themselves to be leaders; or more often, they are good enough actors to become front men for the Cliques that they serve. Corruption is the coin of the realm in politics today, and although Lincoln used every trick in the book, as you say, to get what he wanted in his day, he was not himself personally corrupt. That's the difference between the "leadership" you get from a Loser like Nixon and the true leadership you get from a Jockengineer WINNER like Lincoln. (Exnite, 8/16/13)

Just because there were no organized sports in the backwoods frontier Kentucky and Illinois doesn't mean Lincoln wasn't a Jock. He was a giant of a man at 6'4 in an age where the average man stood 5'6 or 5'7. Lincoln was athletically gifted. He possessed the size, strength, coordination and reflexes that are the core of Jockdom. This imparted confidence and allowed him to stand up to others, which in turn nurtured the same kind of leadership traits in Lincoln we see in the Jock archetype today, which often leads to later success in business and politics. Unfortunately, our Jock leaders of today don't have Lincoln's brains. (Exnite, 8/16/13)





Case Study 6. Clique Assessment of Gov. Chris Christie, Presidential Contender

(Exnite)

He’s not a Prep. He’s obviously not a Jock. He’s not a Scumbag, so that leaves either a Nerd or Loser.



His Dad was an accountant, indicating a substantial component of Nerd characteristics in his genotype. He's a wonkish know-it-all and has a motor mouth, both of which are classic Nerd traits. But if we use college attended as a proxy for I.Q., then he's certainly no genius, having gone to Univ. of Delaware as an undergrad (Tier 2 per USN/WR) as a dumb-ass Poly Sci liberal artist; and Seton Hall Law School, a T-2 ranked #64. This initially slots Christie in as a Low Nerd.



But its Christie's body type that is the dead giveaway. At 5'11, Christie is still morbidly obese, even 3 months after his recent "weight loss procedure". Per Clique Theory:



"Clique body types are unalterable. The problem with Losers is that their metabolisms conspire to give them bad phenotypes. Diet/exercise will never completely do it for a Loser: he will always be Fat and/or Weak."



In addition to having a Loser body type, politically speaking, Christie also has an undisciplined streak, another trait of a Loser, because in politics, discipline and loyalty are essential. And there is at least one other component of Christie's genotype that also needs to be considered: his bullying personality, which is a characteristic of a Scumbag. But until now, this trait appears to be subordinate to the other two because Christie has Nerd and Loser written all over him.



Taken together, these results peg Christie as being a Low Nerd/Fat Loser, with a Scumbag bullying streak.



This is very bad news for our country if Christie becomes President because (again, per CT):

1) Preps make the best Presidents;

2) a high Presidential I.Q., which Christie doesn't have, is essential in allocating the economic largess/bribes to the right cliques after taking office;

3) Christie's Loser traits may begin to dominate after the Peter Principle catches up with him, i.e. he gets promoted one too many times, becoming POTUS. The intense frustration of finally realizing he is in fact a Loser, and has been one all along, may trigger his Scumbag bullying traits to emerge as dominant, resulting in significant damage to our Republic as he begins his epic fail. As Keithd said earlier today, "When a Loser becomes a leader, you might as well just hide or leave the country." (Exnite, 8/16/13)

Reply: Excellent Post (Theimmigrant, 8/16/13)

Liberal pig Chris Christie lost my vote when he signed the NJ ban on “Gay Conversion Therapy!

(Calebthepreacher 8/19/13)

Caleb, you just don't get it. Christie isn't a "liberal" as you claim. According to CT, he is a Low Nerd/Fat Loser with a Scumbag bullying streak. The law he just signed is a result of 1) his Nerdish compulsion to develop social engineering schemes to pander to URM's and 2) his lifelong membership in Loserdom which has, as one of its defining characteristics, being undisciplined, both at the dinner table and in politics (where loyalty and discipline are essential). CT also says you should cast your vote for a Prep, because Preps make the best Presidents. Christie may be a lot of things, but he's not a "liberal" and he definitely isn't a Prep. (Exnite, 8/19/13)

Case Study 7: Loser GeorgeCostanza



“I'm considering putting in an application at Mckinsey working in their health care stuff (specifically applying to a program they have for PhD grads)... I'm hoping somebody here knows something about them.



Specifically:



1. I don't have an Ivy background, although they claim the recruit at my current public school... am I wasting my time?



2. Is there any sort of work life balance at this place, or are you basically a slave?”





Additional Facts:

· McKinsey recruits heavily from the Ivies. I think this is basically because many, many people can do the kind of work there, so they need some kind of arbitrary filtering process (having an Ivy pedigree also maintains the org's status, and it can work as a proxy for work ethic... sometimes)





· On to work: plan on traveling 4-5 days of the week, and working ur balls off (80 hrs? 100 hrs). From what I gather, it is expected to work for a few years and then to move to something else. Accordingly, cohorts are referred to by their hiring years, similarly to college or high school, although this refers to entrance to the program.





· Unless you are an URM, it will be uber-difficult to make it, especially from a public school. I don't think it matters how smart you are. This comes of particularly in interviews, where they are looking more for a kind of "person," IMHO, and the questions often are weird things like, "how many pencils could be made from the forests in California?" I think they are meant to keep you on your toes and to see how you respond to pressure. In these instances, entitlement and bravado matter, which is a particularly good weeding mechanism for poor and working class kids.





· Once you make it to McKinsey, it works as a badge of honor, and it will take you places. I have heard that Harvard biz grads are typically the three "m's": Mormons, military, and Mckinsey. So 2 yrs of your life might not be a bad thing.

George’s Update:

“Thanks for the info... I'm still not even sure if I'll put in for it. I just talked to a recruiter at a career fair I wasn't even looking for a job at, and she was telling me about the fantastic business training I would get there. My long term goals involve my own startup or working in VC, and she told me that they have a program tailored to PhD graduates, so it didn't sound like a bad idea... but I have better things to do than submit a resume to be tossed in the garbage if they aren't interested in anybody besides Harvard or MIT grads.

Well my delusions of grandeur are over; I got a polite note from them today letting me know that I should consider putting a shot gun up my ass and pulling the trigger... I didn't even get to the finalists to get into their advanced degree program. So yeah, apparently I suck.



I think the worst thing about their process is that they asked for so much information about you (my entire CV, not resume, test scores (ACT and GRE), information in your cover letter, application essay, and transcripts) that it feels like they took a complete view of everything I've accomplished in my life and said "pass". It would almost be better if they just had preliminary information so that I could rationalize it away as them having a shitty hiring process. But no, these guys looked at me and took judgment on all of me and decided that I'm a disgrace.”

Clique Theory Analysis:

Hey, GeorgeCostanza, isn't it funny how the rejection process basically makes you more of a Loser than someone who never even tried? Think about it. 95% of your high school graduating class probably has no idea what McKinsey is. The guy who wore wifebeaters, got in fights, and is now a truck driver making 4-figures a week, infinitely better off than so many lawyers.... This guy has NO FUCKING IDEA what McKinsey is or what they do, and he's better off for it. Hell, the IBM commercials that come on during football games probably confuse the fuck out of him.

When I think of the word "Loser", I don't think of the guy making my pizza who has a DWI and stays at his uncle's. I think of the naive striver who has suffered years of ignominious mediocrity. Ignominy that never ends, kills your spirit and physically shrinks your penis. Striving with no success to sustain you is so unbelievably precarious. Throwing up your hands and falling asleep on the fucking recliner while watching UFC is like heaven in comparison. Hat's off to you. Remember, you will always be better than liberal arts majors - ESPECIALLY while you're surfing the internet. (Theimmigrant)

Case Study 8. Women and Cliques

Women are in the Woman Clique. Women can also be honorary members of other Cliques. Note: not all Women are in the Woman Clique. Also, lots of Generation Y men are in the Woman Clique. (Keithd, 8/1/13)





· Women are a Clique of their own and hence outnumber and overwhelm any of the male Cliques, which are fragmented into Preps, Jocks, Nerds, etc. As the Men Cliques battle each other for dominance, they frequently cancel each other out. This gives the Woman Clique power in sheer numbers which means political and market leverage, which translates to clout and money. When added to their natural gifts of seduction, manipulation, intimidation and outright bitchiness, this explains female success in the Boardroom, the Womanexecutive pictures you've posted here, Hillary Clinton and Lesbo power. Men, look out! (Exnite 8/16/13)





Reply: Excellent post. (Theimmigrant, 8/16/13)



Don't get me wrong, women absolutely can have Cliques. But unlike male Cliques, each does not have unique pros and cons. Hot Girls are simply better at everything than Loser Girls, including liberal arts, Engineering, and relationships. Scumbag women have like no pros whatsoever - they can't even build/fix shit like Scumbag men - and are thus wards of the state.

In essence, whereas the spirit of male Cliques is that of stratification/specialization into discrete hierarchical categories, Female Cliques are less about specialization and more about pure Quality. Part of this can be attributed to Women’s' lack of propensity for things that the male Cliques specialize in, like High liberal arts, Engineering, and Sports. Without his liberal arts and 1340 SAT score, a male liberal artist is, sorry to say, Inferior in all aspects to a Jock or Prep, ceteris paribus. Without his Engineering, a Nerd is just a weak guy who is bad at sports, liberal arts, and talking to Women. These truths are self-evident.

Women have smaller brains (Ladies, don’t take offense, this is theimmigrant talking. Ed.)

There are like 30 everyday situations where they get mentally overloaded where a man would be fine. I am convinced that their thought process does not involve any thought, just instinct and intuition. (Theimmigrant, 8/13/13)





I've said it before and I'll say it again, Hot Girls have better personalities, no mental illnesses, and higher IQs than uggos. Conversely, a Hot Jock Guy - unless he's a full-on Jockengineer - will almost inevitably have gaps in his Engineering knowledge due to too much testosterone handicapping his prefrontal cortex. Even then, Jockgineers are never truly as good at Engineering as pure Engineers. By the same token, Preps, in spite of their superior GPAs, are never as good at liberal arts as Losers. We could explore this point further, but that would be beyond the scope of this post. (Theimmigrant, 9/14/13)





There's really no point in getting mad at Hot Girls. It's like getting mad at Scumbags. Aside from their double standards, i.e., "do as I say, not as I do" attitude, they're just doing what they are programmed to do. That whole level of consciousness that leads to independent thought and caring about liberal arts just doesn't exist in either group. Hot Girls just sort of chug forward, consume the resources of others, and produce offspring with strong genotypes.



Moreover, Hot Girls do this in EVERY society, and they conform to the expectations of the society without ever questioning them. In 1950s Murica, Hot Girls were HAPPY to be Don Draper's secretary wearing a short skirt or whatever. Ideas like feminism came from LOSER Women who got pwn3d during secretarial job interviews for "not being a good fit." It's better to be mad at sentient liberal artist Women who pwn Loser men in public. (keithd 9/25/14)

The relationship between looks and intelligence with Women is perfectly linear

Same as with dogs. (This is why we call them Bitches.) (Theimmigrant, 10/5/13)

As we have discussed previously, although Women DO have Cliques, they are not phenotypically specialized. Distinct, yes, specialized, no. There is simply a direct relationship between attractiveness and all positive qualities among the fairer/cunty) sex. There is no silver lining to being a Nerd girl because a hot Prep girl with a higher IQ is literally better at Engineering (she just doesn't pursue it usually because it sucks and is boring). A Nerd girl is simply the genetic residue of what SHOULD have been a male Nerd, and sucks in real life because she is a black hole; a shell of a person, a vestige of what should have been. Loser Women are simply Bad people, they can't even make good posts or observations like we can. They are mentally ill, bitterly fear their betters, and pwn their equals with ruthless manic passive-aggression. (Theimmigrant, 10/5/13)



Women are basically Nature's eugenicists. They are instinctively driven to ensure that, when it comes to breeding and socialization (i.e., breeding), everyone stays within their lanes. That's why Women constantly say that they want a guy who's their "equal." What they really mean is they want a compatible genotype and phenotype so that their kids will continue the Cliqueline. That's why a Hot Nurse dates a Scumbag over a short Azn MedicalDoctor. And that's also why Women attempt to herd the people who don't "fit" out of the Higher Castes and into the wilderness. If they mate together there, it doesn't Matter, and in fact, it is to be encouraged, so that they won't corrupt the Better Cliquelines. (keithd 6/2/14)





Scumbaguettes

Scumbaguettes and Hot Girls may be both be hot when they're young, but a classy Hot Girl stays attractive past her prime. A Scumbaguette becomes either a methed-out skeleton covered with scabs or a 200 lb WalMart shopper with stretched out tattoos and a muffin top over her jean shorts. (Wily, 9/22/13)

Common Characteristics of Scumbaguettes



They are extremely fertile. Ejaculate within nine feet of one, and she's pregnant.



Typically breed with their Scumbag counterparts, but it is quite common for them to land Loser to high Loser males who are as beta as beta can be. Make no mistake, while Scumbaguettes may seem unremarkable in the intelligence department, they will always out-game Losers because they posses highly evolved reptilian brains. Losers always lose. (Lucapacioli, 9/22/13)





Excellent post. (Keithd, 9/22/13)

The vast majority of JDU men should stay in their lanes on this one. You guys will end up getting beat up by their Scumbag boyfriends or paying child support even if it's not your kid. (Iiooiiooiioo, 9/22/13)

Women suck at arguing

Which is why they will only argue with a Loser. It doesn't matter if they lose an argument to a Loser, because no one respects Losers anyways. And they'll never admit defeat, even if they've had to resort to making emotional pleas like "you're being unfair!" or attack the Loser's arguing procedure like "you're just talking over me, so I'm not going to keep talking to you!" Whatever argument they're still making becomes a jumbled mess.



The Loser thinks he has won, but he hasn't because if there was any chance he was going to get laid by the woman, it is now gone. Jocks and Preps never argue with women. They know to both placate and pretend the woman is correct or condescend by not entering into an argument with the woman. (Theimmigrant, 10/21, 2013)





Women also realize that public opinion will deem them the winner in any argument with a Loser, regardless of the objective outcome of the argument. What's really happening is that Losers are being punished for sucking as people. (Keithd, 10/21/13)

Excellent point, Number 1. A woman will turn the argument into a fight because then the Loser looks insecure by picking on the "weaker" woman. But women's smaller brains and higher estrogen levels keep them from seeing this distinction. Emotion rules the day. (The1mmigrant, 10/21/13)

Why are so many Women strong adherents of religion?

Certainly, there are Madelyn Murray O'Hare’s out there, just as there are male seminary students. However, I would argue that a disproportionate percentage of women are strong believers in some sort of formalized religion compared to men. I would further argue that if women were not so strongly aligned, very few men would independently display the same level of religious commitment. I mean, seriously, if you want to meet women, go to church. And they mean it - church is NOT casual.



So, what gives? I've wondered if the predominant biological role that women play in procreation doesn't lend itself to an existential attraction towards the "divine", whilst men have no strong biological counterpart other than donating a set of chromosomes. Perhaps if men spent 40 weeks with new life growing inside them, they too would wax religious. As it stands, it appears that few men have time for God*, except for (sorry everybody) a large percentage of Gay men.

(Dupednontraditional, 10/7/13)





Church is for socializing. The church kisses women's asses and everybody gets to sing, and bitch about their problems in form of "prayer requests." Women get status from "walking with the Lord" and that gives them something to talk about. (Marlon, 10/7/13)

Women crave intense emotional experiences that most men don't need or want. Religion provides the perfect platform for women to experience mystical, totally subjective religious feelings that can then be shared with others in Herd setting. Religion is perfect for them, but literally purgatory on Earth for many men who value objective reality and utilitarian solutions to life. Men tend to be loners too, except at sporting events. They don't share their feelings, religious or otherwise, with anyone, except on JDU/OT. (Exnite, 10/7/13)



I think your statement isn't accurate. Not in my experience. Maybe a higher percentage of women will pay lip service to religion or do what is necessary to keep up appearances if that's required in their social sphere, but the strongest believers are men. And women never go through the "I've struggled with religion v. non-religion and come around to religion." They either just go along with it or don't care. Men are more likely to follow it or actively disbelieve. Just look at anotherjd and mcbeef going out of their way to criticize some guy's out-of-context comments in a lighthearted interview. Basically, admin's smaller brain allusion is correct, but not in the way you might have been implying. (Karlfarbman, 10/7/13)



Generally agree, but I think marlon has the laser focus here. Church (by which I mean all modern organized religion) is social. Women are more social than men. Men are loners and don't like to talk about their feelings. As early as the 18th century the Puritan ("Congregational") churches were like already 2/3 female, because men couldn't stand that public confessional stuff. Men's heroes from the beginning of time were violent loners. Achilles, Ulysses, right up to John Wayne and Tony Montana. (Ellellou, 10/ 7/13)



…It makes sense women do it because it's a ritualized social occasion and NOT going is judged harshly by their peers…Men have ample reasons, justifications, rationalizations for not going. The ones that do go are seen as kind of weird. Men are tired from work, hung over, just not feeling it, whatever and nobody can shame them for not going to church because they don't give a shit. (Silk, 10/8/13)



Fundamentalism? That's like, 7.5% of all males. The rest don't care, men propre that is. Meanwhile, all women will pay lip service to religion, or say shit like, "I am a good person, I worship God* in my own way, therefore I will go to heaven*." No adult male, ever has acknowledged that heaven might exist, not even the Pope. (Theimmigrant, 10/7/13)

That's basically exactly what I said, fucktard. You even copied my phrase "lip service." I never gave percentages, just said that women aren't strong adherents. (Karlfarbman, 10/ 7/13)





Woman Clique Priorities (Exnite, 10/6/13)

Women's brains are wired COMPLETELY differently. This has been true since Prehistoric times.



Priorities:



1) Procreate/Nest

2) Protect/Enable her Spawn

3) Pwn Higher Cliqued males for $$$$

4) Pwn other Women by looking hotter, getting better boyfriends, etc.

5) Emotional Drama**

6) Therapist or Self-Help for depression, mental illness etc.

7) Shopping expeditions for clothes, shoes, handbags, cosmetics, more shoes, etc.

8) Religious/spiritual crap

9) "Caring" (but only to feed their own self-esteem)

10) Liberal Arts (sappy love music, books from Starbucks, etc.)



Note that intellectual pursuits are not even on the list. Also note that sex is not on the list. Women trade sex for MONEY (see #3). For them, sex is merely a tactic.









Women multi-task all day long combining all of the above pursuits in different combinations while yakking or texting with their friends or Mothers, focusing almost exclusively on your innumerable faults.



** Women desire continuous, intense emotional experiences. If they can't have good emotional experiences (love, romance, etc.), they'll settle for bad emotional experiences (abuse, divorce etc.), because these are just as fulfilling and provide a platform for tears, screaming, etc. This is why guys ignoring them is the one thing they can't tolerate.



All of the above activities are in support of one overriding goal: In short, to FOOL some gullible Man, and it's EASY.



No Woman will ever admit that any of this is true, and will become furious if you bring it up in discussion. And no male will be able to remember any of this information for more than 90 seconds.





Critique of Women and Clique Theory

· All of them are too preoccupied with gender as a social construct. Therefore they are Losers. (Wily, 8/1/13)





· We are not categorizing them. Society has CLEARLY categorized them based on their genotype and phenotype. Nature provides a rough cut, and Society molds people into Cliques based on clearly defined, immutable traits. (Theimmigrant, 8/1/13)

doublefriedchicken (Oct 6, 2014 - 12:06 pm)



The Clique Outline is a classic. But it's a little weak (and quite sexist) on the subject of women's clique. I think we just don't understand women enough to write about the various cliques for the fairer sex. Clique doesn't seem to affect their mating choices (though probably their marriage choices) in a discernible way. Therefore, the male mind deems it inconsequential. But let's not pretend we understand it just because we don't care about it.







wily (Oct 6, 2014 - 12:10 pm)



This absolutely true, and somewhere in the outline I make a point that the field of Women Cliques remains unclear. Interpreting TI's musings, it appears there are the respective cliques among women, but also the Women clique, to which not all women belong. Also, there's Hot Girls, which may or may not be of the Women clique too.



So there's:



Prep women

Jock women

Nerd women

Loser women

Scumbaguettes

Women women

Hot Girls







doublefriedchicken (Oct 6, 2014 - 2:42 pm)



For women, it's all about how they relate to other women. The outline touches on the Queen Bees and her minions. A women proper needs to sort it out. But it is a Catch-22, women don't care about clique theory but they are the only ones who can sort it out.





exnite (Oct 6, 2014 - 2:49 pm)



OK, how about:



PrepB!tch

JockB!tch

NerdB!tch

LoserB!tches

BlackB!tch

Scumbaguettes

Hot Girls



This labeling scheme more accurately portrays how they relate to men and especially how they relate to each other.







doublefriedchicken (Oct 6, 2014 - 3:11 pm)



Scumbagitch might be better.







municipald1 (Oct 6, 2014 - 5:24 pm)



Hey, t