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Via Bluetooth I just aren't excited about in the sidecar Jeff I missed it which Ibaka insurance because as opposed to pay my question if you could markers. How they do as a sidekick last week oh you're exemplary. I wasn't I wasn't snide and under my rule no real that was my job last week turned it. Consider this this share over here these sidecar as he so. I would certainly put it was. It's that it's a nice guys seat you sit over here you've got to sunnier outlook on things you can see everything a lot more clearly from over here you know. It just takes him you know what I'm another man's shoes because you know. After that who cares your mile weighing you've got his shoes. I stopped understanding that a long time after you Ireland cargo people ranks hero wrote one so rare before you go on that. Tell humans how they may contact us how they can do so if they call one nanny 02243353. Can send us a voicemail or text message that way since emails BG geek nation a gmail.com. He finest on FaceBook just by surgeon for Regis she's geek nation. And Eddie Twitter and is to grant at BJ geek nation and you can find all of that and more had PG geek nation dot com. Well it's our last show of the year boys and they'll tell you but I'm kind of excited to put 2016 rate may god damn rear view mirror here. I don't really weird year. They're great as it. Improved for personal reasons for four trump reasons it's just it's not it's not better and the best year of all time during their open. Some high points but for some reason none of them are coming to mind at the moment yeah. Marion and point for me molested a boy I don't wheel of fortune. All right well so you're having a great all year I having a better than other people here and so like your typical Republican near lake. I did well screw the rest of you got mine cocaine and we'll. Chris you Jeff got we're really looking forward to earn a 2017 told she's looking forward to gosh I look forward to leaving behind in 2016. I just this is this is one of those fears that you know later on down the road when people ask you know where you were. It is just going to be a typical questions or wherever UN products on our deaths. Insisted to him I dread going to northern and clinched this entire year on the looking forward to on clinching greatly although I could mean it is likely to happen with the solidarity and yet there's a whole lot of things are gonna be continuing on into Tony seventeen Matt has started this year's I will say we had some good shows this year. We we added a person to to the little family here just me that's working out OK and then there. And some hopefully will continue to to hone our routine. In twenty something I actually got some fan mail. Why it yeah let's have even seen that now let him oppose a bungled. What without a million vaulting him you can talk it'll blow up when I walked in today. Chris was sitting on the couch in the lobby. And he asked me how I would like an eggplant parmesan cemetery proceeds to pull one out of the folds of it's easy it's so you can. To the long thin eggplant parmesan sandwich they did you when it comes as English yeah I'm. Glad he did not from your crawler her son and her head at a fat cat and Apolo that you can't. Would they sandwiches fried pickle crow OK I think you'll and that would have been suspect had I not known where he had gotten it from buy. But yuck. Having her career one point oh in journalism. One of the main rules of that is you never turn down free phone goodness no longer are hard wired never to turn down does that says that's a performing thing that's enacting things out free food yes please tell our guys are so we encourage people get in touch with current people sued to leave us alike come from the iTunes. Hit and greatest stars and here's here's your your feedback Chris so. This is from Tony G. Two BG geek nation and you know the outcome the heading is Chris walker slash board game ally and civil folks on the first part. Because the second part of everything to do with you you three gentlemen to give its particular quick. He says. But longtime listener first time caller area emailers so as a sort of implies the first part of the team who is for Chris in the second is for everyone on board game alliance segment. Mr. walker I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy you as the newest participant on the special ops segment if you make a great counterpart to mark runner and Arab and a lot of entertainment to an already. Entertaining show. I thank you Tony thank you Tony this is for a person I don't think he was emailed before so that's neat. Knew no sooner so what are we could have as many seventh and 87 we could we are rapidly approaching doubled it in three years we may attain that guests are Tony seventeen million dream. Are irrelevant and next why it. We might as well does get to this because everybody's excited about rogue wanna Star Wars story. Oh do we have the days until it was rude ones do we have to save the whole thing every town we refer to a previous caller wrote one. And rode one a Star Wars story here and once and the question is. His rogue one. A pile of number two is it Rogen number two from number two let's just start off here by a now doing that the force awakens. The but as of the seventh Star Wars film yet there's. It was garbage I don't Donna it's time. They can just keep your pants on craft I don't Donna at the time it came out. Everyone thought I was a grinch but after all the excitement died down. It's kind of like the Star Trek movies the JJ abrams' Star Trek movies most reasonable people are starting to agree with me in hindsight. The force awakens it was just kind of silly it was very un original whose sister rehash a lot of it was a rehash of the original Star Wars. Han Solo I think we can spoil this now everybody feel good news is yes in more than a year console dies in the movie and his death is completely. Out of character and disappointing. And I didn't like the force awakens at all even though there would there was some good stuff in it. But everybody gets caught up in the emotional contagion of the moment because they're just happy to see new Star Wars movie he's dying to see new Star Wars this happens and you know I'm thinking about it so. Harris CNN fan mail and and it is fair news. I don't currently it is rare opportunity to be anything you can you don't need to have the Blu-ray him in the special collector's case your library no I got all the starter who owns them. Milan makes perfect sense that you get at it as well and this just in. The acronym would be ROA as WS or I've kind of broadened it test and we can color roasters. Structured who fought for the new movie cup Uruguay and or roasters staff hopes its. And so that brings this to rove won a Star Wars story that roasters roasters thank you pump. IA did not Samson you guys can correct me if you if you got a different vibe I did not sense the same vibe of just rabid anticipation for this I knew people wanted to see it but they weren't losing their minds my social media feeds weren't clogged with everybody just going nuts. You know willing to two to kill or bribe to get into the first showing. I think people will consume many Star Wars thing but not the same which is level of hysteria. I haven't heard anybody camping out now. Right but I did the only real notice that I really had was the fact that it did break pre sale records and in like ten angle almost guy guys brought down when they went on sale but beyond that thing. Within that also happened of course Lincoln's probability probably I at all. So red there was some to score a moment upon among the asserted gamer gate. A whole fan boys that it was another young female protagonist me and I innings he. I don't know I don't wanna delve into that because just a waste of the time irrational and he's clearly he could keep you know your four Jan for that I don't care. If it's a good one then. I'll go with it if it's a bit like Chris and I were just talking about Michelle Yeoh being captain and Star Trek TV set up series. And if she's good I'm with a if she's not good I'm gonna bail. I think this one deserves the benefit of the doubt so I'm not gonna bury the lead here. But rev you've got a a little bit audio first for GAAP let's get people's feet wet and only then roasters. That if he's it's just it's. That's the most. No I find that are so big and unconvincing. Trust goes both ways. Yeah no the probability of using it against. That was felicity Jones playing the leader of gin or so and Diego Luna. As Caspian and door. With Allen too because the voice the robot K two S go out there on their way to emission and we'll get into the details of that in just a moment. Well Sierra. Another clip some other people in this Fisher co. Anytime you know. 26 essential civilian. What part of I'm sure the news comes right we close. I know the right now there's a 55% Johnson I don't know thanks. The agreement. That sounds like a very visual clip rev what did you see if it's. But you guys fly on the space ship trying to land at Bridget. A major star worsen. Here's your pull quote. But for Star Wars or not tomorrow rogue won a Star Wars story I thought we established roasters street and I think you to view are going to be surprised owner. I think it's the best Star Wars movie since the empire strikes back. It's even more downbeat. How it's miserable lands I don't know I don't know there we go I don't know all right I think at the cold dark heart of the matter all the Star Wars movies. Have pretty much sucked since the empire strikes back rogue one is not without its flaws but. I'm not kidding when I say this is a breath of fresh air and it's a welcome change of pace now this is. And movie go mean rose colored glasses I just stepped out I'm very happy with what I've seen because everyone else was very exuberant you've had this before absolutely not I'm glad for him I had a couple of days to process it. After I saw the movie do screening was Monday. And you know how in a lot of the screenings publicist hang out outside the auditorium and ask QA thank on the way out Maria and I almost never comment because I want. Collect my thoughts. And I was completely serious when I told the publicist is mark would you think exit well that was elected take him I wasn't expecting if that plot. That's definitely truth now I'll phrase I always got people annoyed. By saying and I honestly are trying to bait them anyway a late morning and sent in tennis Star Wars. Movies or children's movies and and I don't understand why. Perfectly intelligent adults just won't lose their crap over Star Wars movie. Rule one really isn't so much a children's movement effect. It's sometimes kind of like Star Wars by a way of band of Brothers and the whole poll. I also got a very clear viva. And it had to be intentional. Of occupation and insurgency as if to commence in the Middle East. With Americans as the storm troopers we've all seen footage now of Iraq and if you however many other places we have to be occupying right at the moment. And there's the rebels being. Bingo the natives and the storm troopers obviously the evil occupiers. Other things about the movie their interest and they have digital versions of characters from the first movie and I'm not gonna spoil everything in fact looming no spoilers here. Keep your keep your finger ready at the buzzer revving his expertise throughout life and if that happens but one of the digital re creations that everybody already knows about. Is Peter Cushing the great Peter Cushing a hammer films. Has its Grand Mosque tar condemn an original film he's there. Heat these completely digital whoever they get to do his voice does a spot on impression of him and he's very obviously. Digital but somehow it doesn't. Reckoning thing or pull you out of a movie. Because there's so many other bizarre things and so are word and that this isn't the most bizarre I think that that I and in fact. It's kinda cool to have him there. Plots pretty simple. And there's and yet that's said that one of the few complaints I have about the movie is there. There's still a ton of exposition at every case step in the dark about what's going on what they have to do and what happens if you can't do it. There's a little bit clumsy this in the writing but that's fine that's fine we're still well into the into the black here. Here's a deal it's a prequel to the first movie it's a prequel to a new hope the 1977. Original movie it's the story of how the rebels got the plans the death star. And learn how to fly there X wings up the death star's. Death crack and fire the missile into it. Do you know exactly what I'm saying the gig at the exhaust anus or what it. Totally cool okay well to this I don't know why don't you know everybody new things and seven people listened to his now room dedicated to a wider audience but this movie answers the question that people had confirmed what nearly forty years. If they put all that effort into making a massive deaths are. How could they make it so easy to blow it up you just fly a good thing ammo and fire and contractors Brandon the other I think I don't think. But each is a very Verizon and have come up with hearing it's kind of like also Star Wars meets the dirty dozen or seven samurai and oh the rebels ask this troublesome young woman. Who's Kleber felicity Jones. Two you get to where father who is played by immense Mickelson who we know from. Campbell Hawkins and and casino right now. He's a key engineer on this this massive new death star weapon you may have heard of and along the way. Felicity Jones is character in June. Gathers this rag tag team straight out of a diversity committee meeting and I'll say this right now if you already people are gonna hate this movie. Because I had to try to do that as a boycott Star Wars that's gonna work EI it's. It's just united colors of Benetton of for. The dirty dozen area button that. I have absolutely no issue with that at all or with felicity Jones I think she makes finally I think most of the acting is perfectly good I think. Allen to pick who we all know and love from. Tucker and dale vs evil I'm such things firefly. He makes the first great different kind of android persona his. Kate's USO. The robot assertive. Big and intimidating yet sort of ungainly and also he's not friendly at all you know I'm you know like C three PO and he's not cute like. He's kind of enable its feet and eight and he steals the show and every scene that he's in. Also mentally consistent with what I know Balentien nick yeah he's great he's really talented pump. Donnie Yen this is what I was most excited about from the very first one I saw news and previews about this movie. Donnie Yen is a fantastic. Martial arts star I don't know awful lot of Americans even know who this guy has been Chris Hughes clearly feel. Like I've seen him in a couple of things that are really enjoyed the name that jumped out at me and I remember looking things up back when their first son is his name announced and carry on a military begin right now at least. An hour later but look up the it man movies are all okay yeah he's just an unbelievable. Athlete and martial artist an not a bad actor either. He plays a blind to martial artist who is not the jet guy you night but who is a tapped into the force. And men. Just like what talent to be ex robot character you only wanna see more of this guy. Watch anything of his you can find search form on Netflix or wherever he's just he's fantastic he's amazing. I would watch a whole movie would this guy and I probably would camp out to. He had to have there. Are couple scenes of him fighting with nothing but a post staff against gangs of that storm troopers. And we all know that storm crew pursuit and they still can't hit anything when they shoot at check and then they're not that tough but watching Donnie Yen take out. A gang of storm troopers with a both staff is just unbelievably satisfying. Yet he had billions and an arm and a bunch of stuff that I've seen. And flash point Lisa demand movies played too. Sorry hunting they do I really liked it will have a there was oh the monkey king yet that was a great when if you if you wanna see city limits on this instance finest were the monkey king is incredible hype but I can't recommend it highly enough. There's a bad guy has dipped a sneering bad guy you wanna punch in the face it he's it played by Ben Mandelson called chronic and he wears a white suit. Cape all time you villain which is appropriate for a Star Wars movie because remember these things. Were inspired by the old time movie serials like Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon. Say this about rove won two. It's not a real crowd pleaser. And I mean that in a good way it doesn't it's. It has the nerve. To be a little quieter in ways that the force awakens was not. For instance the First Act of the movie. And you kind of have to give me your attention and your patience. But it pays off it doesn't it's not it's not an eighty dean movie although you know by the time you get to the third act when all hell's bringing loosely. He felt it give you you don't need anybody to attend nudge you awakened. It's a very violent rogue wanna lose certain roasters. And hey Erica thank you know it's very violent. In kind of a like a World War II movie kind of way it's much more. That's what foreign Neil lipstick and I ever expected and yet having said that it's still all about. Noble sacrifice. And hope. I'm saying this without a single spoiler even though it's killing me I wanna read it I want to revisit this when we come back at the beginning of the year OK after you guys. Have all seen it. Yeah because. I just wanted to talk to somebody about this. I got out of the net asset I didn't wanna go to this guy has a waiting to build a titanium body about it. We eat meal why area if you had gone with the ball we weren't allowed guessed this was one of those high security things can even had to check our our phones. And and he still went and I Hamachi he had I have it's usually just opted to skip the screening rather than check of phones and it's ridiculous to invite a working critic to a movie and then treat them full picture could steal the movie on their cell phone. But I. Well I felt like we needed to do this for the listeners. Similar thing about rope broke one I think it's fan fiction. Right if Phil and a piece of Star Wars that was referenced in the first movie. And you see this and through Star Trek him you know every other thing that nerds love. It's so you know it's it's just based on what we know a good reference. Early in Star Wars about. How the plans for the death star or gotten right and they filled out a whole two hour and what sixteen million movie. To tell you that story and we know where it's going we know it's gonna lead right up to the beginning of the original star worst. But it's so well done I didn't mind it was fan fiction I didn't mind that they were kind of strip mining. A reference from the first little one line Mon mama tosses off about how many buttons got killed around in this stuff up and then. OK okay I'm glad you remember that because I don't remember chapter and verse all all the dialogue. It's just it's it's our great look I do it's great looking at that the special effects keep improving. And it's such a way that they don't. Poll you out of it. But did. The thing you have to remember about the original Star Wars as revolutionary was as it was as much as nobody had ever seen anything like that and 1977. As much as people work. Going to see it 5672030. Times. If we look at it now. It's not as good at the empire strikes back because it looks really primitive nightmare this thing is seamless this thing is. Beautiful this thing even if you see a half dozen times and you don't care about the story anymore and you know it. You just wanna have this thing on did you see IMAX 3-D. Knows it Cinderella in Kapalua and green greatly sort of downgrade gaffe and I don't know that I've said this in any movie about any Star Wars movie since 1980. That it's moving in spots. Not on our bring it shares moving out but. Played more than you would expect him for a Star Wars movie win they had all pretty much been for children prior to this. I think that. Bearing in mind that what is it is it Disney that controls Star Wars and yes. Under that kind of massive corporate control I was surprised that they seem to give the filmmakers. A little bitter rope. And allow them to show some nerve in May be depart from what everybody might expect so points for that if I have any serious complaint at all about rogue one. It's that the characters are under written. And as we know from rating 101 whether you listen to the script notes podcast or have ever trader anything yourself. All movies are out character these characters are. Are underwritten from June 1 so on down the list I felt like it to the framework. For all the characters especially with. The pilot played by Diego Luna. Who's on this mission with her but who has secret orders. But the framework just isn't filled out it's not filled out with personality or with revealing dialogue enough to make me care that much so this has the effects. Kinda lessening the impact when a character dies and I'm not telling you who or how many do. Remember how shocking and heartbreaking though it was when Obi wan was killed yup in the original and you're like why all. Because he parallel this guy by the time this happens. It's not quite like that here here it's it's more or lived let me back every again won Han Solo dies in the force awakens. I was not heartbroken what was your reaction to that. Saw it coming a mile off yeah yeah yeah PSU yeah it was telegraphed to really. Really clumsily at the net result of the characters being under written here is more like. Well I'm kind of surprised they did that as opposed who are now holed pileup Garrett Eric your. Still. Well within the range of acceptability. A range of acceptability. And mentioned Diego alone has the as this sort of agent operative. As the male lead. I kind of wanted to give him more charisma. And more. More of well screw it really what's the word I'm looking for with one more ball stripped us of that more chemistry is where I with felicity Jones. And this is not there I know he's been a ton of stuff deal and tell yet but. He just did not work for me in this I wasn't expecting on solo type. But there did you sort of you know nothing about him clicked for me when I wouldn't you say rebel pilot who. With his own sort of visual look he's got the pilot he's kind of a he's sort of a an agent operative with a with a hidden agenda OK who's on this mission. So and so the girl was and so character sort of all the girls and now there's no answer have to be on so there's no analog T brought it all there's no analog for crew the Jenner so characteristic all right she's stud just the look up. Plucky young adventurous. Woman. Out to get her father back from the empire who is holding him against his will to make you complete this death star machine. Moved and I like Carolina wanna watcher. In more stuff now I just wish they'd given more attention to. Two 22 rating characters and adding new ones and character to the characters. I wish that you maybe didn't run it through the Millwood with yet another script doctor it always astounds me. How these big big event. Tent pole. And Keiko movies. Will get pushed out into the world don't get burst out into the world. And still kind of feel like they're not yet ready and I see that even though I've already admitted that I liked this better than anything since empire strikes back. I just wish that they'd run it through the mill one more time. The directors Gareth Edwards. He is responsible for the most recent gonzo a movie and other pretty decent little scifi horror movie called monsters. The screenwriters. Are. What they're against Chris Weitz and Tony Gilroy does my old familiar names to. They've done a million things and IAE. I think they did an overall good job here when I was at AO Scott from New York Times referred to them as hacking. I don't know I think that's a large third there couple spots in the movie. Where somebody is about to. Beat. And where somebody is about to be sent to their reward and then they're miraculously rescued by a shot to the back or something like that and I just five months. You could have tried harder rate there K okay but. Overall I'm I'm tremendously pleased with this and unlike the force awakens. I wanna see this again I don't see why. Powell. There we go that's almost the highest praise that he can give yeah here's another thing that I really like about. Roasters and it might make some younger children cry. Truly. They all know mr. Jenkins CNET and it wouldn't matter Mickelson there's no way to you could not why they don't know if it's just not as much of a kids movie I was really happy for the change of pace. And it's so well done it looks so great. They're few quit bulls I have about it. I'm willing to let it go I think overall it's a win and come back again I'm back in on star war. Okay. So we're gonna revisit this I don't wanna see anymore but you guys might have some questions are do you have anything you wanna ask me before we move on. Well you mentioned the you sort of the Marvin the paranoid android. Character if you will world hey K two S so yes just 22 so or whatever but yes and is there another plucky sidekick he counterpart for him or is he just the only sort of main Droid in the film. He's pretty much in the main Droid in the film I mean you're gonna see a lot of them because it's the Star Wars universe can and your enemy cameos in you're gonna get things and references throughout. That a couple of made me chuckle out loud and I must say what they are you and you're not even guess some. But there's a lot of fans service in the movie he was spouting hasn't lost three loss to. Now it's up it's it's actually if you sort of an unpleasant robot. The kind of like. He loves. He's big for me sort of hunched over. Robot he doesn't trust the main character June. And I think I just see he's enjoyable to watch it it departs from the formula. And I think you know when you make them money there when you're dealing with a money making juggernaut like Star Wars I think the people in charge are terrified of departing from the formula who. You talked about this being like a fan fiction type of movie. And you mentioned grandma off park and so in traditional fan fiction and who does he make outweigh us. I'm assuming. And it's unstated in the movie and it's not really even implied but I'm assuming that he must be servicing Darth Vader. That makes a lot of sense and we know this is not a spoiler Darth Vader does appear in the movie and we are sat there and and his appearance. It's kinda cool dancing they I I've never been a massive Darth Vader fan because I just always felt. A little on the nose even for Star Wars. A guy in a black keeping helmet and helmet named Darth Vader incompetence. I mean literally dark father started bothering to go Jamaica little subtle her that I enjoy doing it it is better everything. But another error in the dark theater in this movie. The key is used just exactly enough not to take over the movie and when he's there. You're gonna be just teetering at how cool his appearances and and it appears. Violence is not explicit there's not any gore. But there's more you know people just getting shot. Then you would expect well and a and a regular Star Wars movie were a little bit Jeddah light in this one are we there are no jet Isiah O Paulo or people getting shot Donnie yen's characters. To root in way. And I don't even recall him being referred to by his name in the movie. He's the closest thing there is to a jet I am he's constantly. Chanting about the force and but he still knowledge that I gangs I don't feel like sensitive he could kick any jet eyes. Cassel though I'm an act of deceit and by the way this is not young men either Donny and his in his mid fifties and it's just astonishing to watch him at work. Even given. What we know about the phone units of movies and and how they work their magic. This guy's just incredible what he's got a job she's amazing as far as the I do he and Forest Whitaker gets. Forest Whitaker plays a character named saw Guerrero quite believe his. Held over from some of the cartoons. Means that there's been some really rebels seeking I don't I'm not known as cardiac clearly I'm not either. But he. Please of but up previous friend to the man's Mickelson dad character check who we're told has raised chin. After her dad is kidnapped by the empire and he turns into a big guy. Fearsome militants. Rebel leader who has a giant. Head of pair and an M and a weird accent. And it's kind of an odd role for Forest Whitaker. Also assisting him in Forest Whitaker said the Star Wars movie Meredith Vieira and then trying to throw stuff going down hell why not yet been crazy happening and why not. Well the what you guys have anymore questions I think we've said enough. I recommend a rogue 1100%. Joseph have your own complaints about it but I. Honestly can't imagine not seeing this movie Austin. Follow followed don't partner in 3-D. Swings so please. Plus I've got people that gave away from my phone and it's like it's like a renegade. And things coming at its ticket to see how far you can get without him. And remove obstacles in his right blood droplets you can pick up in pitch you know it's fun. And I'm going on right at home I don't know right now I am and what I can do it and don't. Why would we could see this. That sounds good and yeah. I just did what is the game and the game let's call it. Mean that's meetings course. That's the remaining big claim karma I believe us just call evil dead let me see what they're going to to a title screen or something here. The president to tune soon prove this is the store owner owner and again. Yeah so yeah it's a Smartphone game if you just look up evil then you'll find it. It's a running game so you're you're it's appointed you gamer you're running along in the in the woods in the forest outside their first first seen as he opened the door of the cabin to escape. We Kevin from evil dead movies which we all remember very well a short. And then as you run. Did rights are coming about a very nurturing corpses are being re animated around union to dodge them or you can punch them or as you progress and you earn points. You can actually I get things like I think having nailed down right now things like that. And dad at first blush I was not impressed I'm not a big fan of these running games they're they're they're boring to meet again did it did that in the united controls or eat either. Too sensitive or nowhere near sensitive enough almost to a one every other one of these games and I've played. So I put down through it. And then I was showing rove is on the drive home or something in the day and and then I realized that there was little bit more to it from that and then once I started to actually racking up some points and I can shop for things like a shotgun or you know extra help them things repellent. I mean don't play well this Livan more. The graphics are really really good for the type of game that it is a in Ohio a new high frame raider whatever I don't know a lot of technical stuff about Iceland looks really nice and you heard the sounds the sounds great sounds amazing to the most important question yes or is it free. Thank you know what I don't usually paid for app game. So this was a 100% okay good he could well we love evil dead here on special ops yeah exactly why I got it I have written some army of darkness comics for dynamite. Love the movies and two I've been. Religiously watching asked that her ass actually. Make an employee well could also not just its own horn who doesn't make good TV show got a it's. The top of the oh in addition to religiously watching ask. Hey yeah. I've also been watching ash vs evil dead on I believe it stars stars yes there it. And we've mentioned it here before but this is the second season just wrapped up and it's so enjoyable. It's so. Raunchy and doesn't give you exactly what you expect. And it's just it's a lot of fun. It it has fund to Bruce Campbell ash character and the interest. Constantly at his expense there have been a handful of jokes that involved which is false teeth coming out. Okay. Her or him having to cinch up his issues. Girl and gagged her hope. And it's extremely gory. It's a little bit sexier Enron cheer than I thought it was going to be sure you Ed. You wind up having some appearances from one or two people from way back when the movie thirty years are young and it's just. I'm not hearing a ton of people talking about and I'm not seeing a ton of people posting things about it. But it is worth a look he episodes are half hour long and they're just you're you're in there's some gore in some laughs and year out and I just I think more people need to watch this so. If you have access to stars or for the Internet were I hear you're able to procure programs some magical way. Give this a shot it's two short seasons of what I think ten episodes apiece. Fairly of that and they're just a lot of fun and I hope. That there's a third season. I don't know anything about the ratings are who they end the second season and there's going to spoil it but they ended in a way. That you'd kind of be OK with that being all there is so cool but I want more they didn't screw it up so I want more epic. Welcome the mrs. and I recently picked up the dvd box set of season one of averted. And we love it it's fantastic show we couldn't watch it before and didn't have stars that we don't have access to that kind of thing and we're not willing. To have procured as you said from illicit means more easily in the law. That's it exactly that's exactly so I would pick of stocks at the start watching it and it it's just it is it's just a fantastic show which I'm a little domain shall from time sent. But yeah you guys to do a lot worse with your evenings and watched her for ourselves in this Delhi. Stricken eyes balance between just messing with you and being. True to the original movies. And this seat second season winds up in the original cabin GAAP and it's it's very satisfying they go back in time. Two before that professor. Conjures the stuff from the neck economic common before young ash. And in his friends in the cabin. I'll wind up going through all that horrible stuff for the economic on and on it fits in. Without it doesn't feel as much like fan fiction as I said rogue one does because. These guys start kinda how laws they kind of wanna give you the finger after they act they want you have a good time. What they're gonna do what they wanna do and they don't care who I think it is the impression. That I got and it's just it's so filled with gore yet. I I mean if you think the Walking Dead. Is gory did this is like. It's a group and the old faithful. Of course if you could get especially gallons gallons of blood and gore every episode almost guarantee the use. This was something I was I was to turn on the Internet when you said you wanna talk about it the now watch order dot com did you had a recent high ranking the best and most influential. Fake books in movies or series and an economic connex Morris was number one in the as a whole piece on it it was it was pretty amazing. Yeah and one of the special editions of the dvd. Had an Oscar nom time yeah our yeah Facebook cover with kind of faux leather and I still have that I take it out extra good every now and then oh wow he just. When you're watching as person you that wilders and green and make good any dirty years and I made it he just made me realize that the member nick come upon was the regional FaceBook. Hey. This guy. And on that oats. Up. Where would that affect. Hole to get the full glory years prior. All right next up the. John layman has just wrapped up his epic sixty issue cheuse series for image comics. That's after years of winning awards and being flown around the world through some scheduling weirdness. John you're in the car right now on the way to pick up your kid while we do the interview. Thank you and that's so route at little when you started Chu and 2009. The very same week that I started rotten so my question to you is. Khobar some money here. We can't take. Darted nearly published. Yeah our first issues came out the same date in 2009. But it's there. Now yeah I need so I could I could use a couple grand. I would and it the last time you came to Seattle move into a bar. And we were shoot some friends of mine and just talking and the next day I mentioned it to one of the people. That you were also comic writer and you were known for shoe and she says. That guy right shoe what do you tell me. What kind of do what kind of stuff like that do you get these days. I know I never got out I'd ever seen that I have been. But you know I have been recognize that. Like I get my big computer camp once I'm and they turned out it teacher recognized his name. You know being a man that you that I live in Arizona and you know it Americana in tiger and I urge you are and that gets that and a couple guys that always cavaliers. We hear from two fans what what's the most common thing they stadium. Are they either out where do you get your idea I don't know where did you get your idea of what I don't know. You know you got Debra baker had always got like a great story about every idea that complement. I have no idea where they idea air problem and then ask quite deep and it now I am certain that any well. You know I know I lead my van disappointed why beats. Yeah how why can't tell the Kate beat okay. Little did he read the comic. All I know I'm just I'm assuming not every single person who listens to the show has read the comic. Talk about that she was done for you. Like I mentioned you've gone to. Convention appearances around the world based on on the popularity of chewing and you won. A couple of Eisner awards having Harvey. You're right there is our army we actually want to chew Harvey's begin to drop one army just very large. We were there on the new York and about the Olympic time. Going at high as number two. And yes I've got to where an eleven languages so I take advantage. All the publishers are boring bailout climbing out and then didn't come that I have been now. Everywhere. In the last I feared. Now when he first pitch issue and we're telling people about it you kind of got a lukewarm response until people saw what you were trying to do. At this point have you given the finger to every single one of them and we're like I told you so. Be I I've I've tried get burned a lot of bridges. Oh I can't. I made no secret that you know vertigo. Either turn me down our wouldn't give me that I am a day or repeatedly. But she wound up being one of the books that really broke things out for image right and really helped established image is a non superhero. Major. An independent publisher who just the third to marvel and DC. Yeah you know Robert Kirkland fanned out that made that manifest manifesto bang bang me you know hey if it's not just walking net other boat can do best. And I I think it was chilly morning glory. They can no leg and a hit and then we have we have broke ground affirm for everyone else who could come they would sell like. You know three times the amount a copy or more that that we have yet we were we work. Canada the first bought. Again other than Lamy morning glory that kind of started the image resurgent. But here's a trivia who is it. The hook you up with your artist. I can't remember I think you can. Heck I expect easy entities could. Learn Edward Brennan you're a lot. Brandon your love who I hear all the Euro although I'm not. Absconded and the so as soon. Isuzu and I didn't buy you everything new about a radio and can you all are all too human as well I hope you remember my name and yeah yeah yeah. Well so I do when your remedial for a second US people he said the people ask you worry your ideas and I always like the early response Harlan Ellison had because he was so impatient with people who ask such a dumb question he said he had a six pack government. Flown in from Schenectady your ware for once a week. What was the Genesis of the concept were were you. Mike toe sucking like Dick Morris and you thought well what are you gonna say -- impression from this woman Stowe what then what was the Genesis group of children. I don't know. That led by the extent what I can't like everyone has been a stupid question but I don't really up to kill and then you follow up I have renewed stupid question. Well I feel like as a journalist it's my duty to ask her out a number of stupid questions. Because. Even at the table for Kurt did they are they're expecting like a really greedy procedural. But what they get is this wacky. Yet asserted gross it's good laugh out loud funny comic book. That they haven't seen anything like before. Yeah but I mean I didn't. I. I there was no like bolt of lightning that you know what the you know where they way or the idea came from it just. You know I just sort of evolved I think out of several ideas and took shape. Like I am like you know the full no book go to you know various stupid ideas they've played Alex Saturday Night Live sketch like coach again illegal. Clearly you didn't get psychic impressions from what he's so here's a woman who cannot write about things you can taste. At some point I don't know when I figured out they were off booed bay and then. On some some cuts subconscious level is similar to write a boot based comic and then also my god this. Rich world the story possibilities. But they didn't pitch it as a good based comic or maybe people would have you know they you know accepted the bitch. We sent a sub conscious level you mean your stone right. Probably he's okay Tony choose been through a lot and so is his family. And his cyborg partner. Over the course of sixty issues can you talk about a little bit of the trauma that you put these people through from start to finish. Well my favorite hard it is ILL one below Tony then that this happens operated around so it's not a big spoiler. But Tony is this to our grouchy guy gets EST eat things that he can beat it out. But he's got this cheerful happy lovable sister who can eat things and see the future in Michigan they lottery numbers and stuff like that. And out at one point I have Tony get kidnapped by crazy baseball fans to know about it powers. And they wanna know about like the fact flat but Hank aaron's. But I did and I just. Beat Tony did happen there very you know big beat Tony have waited out and feed him as dad baseball players. And Tony is being so bad during the course of a story arc that eight out of commission the next story arc so I ache I have is. Happy sister. You know take takes center stage for for an entire arc issued about happy as early as the warm person and then it's a really. Light hearted. Story arc and then at the end image he had dismembered and eaten by one of Tony rival. I act act so I feel good book. It's seems rare for the same creative team to be on a book for so long stretch from the beginning to to the end and the intentional into the series you always said the wanted to go see the issues. Do you know of anybody else that's done quite the same thing on a long run of the single title. Well Sarah Beth did live with this salmon Garret for 300 issue is. That might be that close since. But then you get things like like gap preacher can. That that was Steve diamond and do you go under or better. So but. Stadium they were a writer and artist. We cut I I did the letter saying I did the design I did the production rob did in pulling controllers. What we're a full color comic book. And we're two men band and I don't know that that's ever been done. Yeah as much as we have bust each other's balls for the entire time that we've been friends that's a pretty exceptional achievement and don't ever expect here's something like that from beat again. Hey what do you wanna say about the finale of issue which just came out what two weeks ago. Low. I don't yard came out odd day before Thanksgiving OK I am I knew. It's very thorough approach to ask ending and I knew that they had at least eight percentage of people would like get. And that I'd say about maybe one in five government. Which would go to pretty your ratio borne by people being our title that let the people who don't like it can be used the word punch line. You know they think it ended on a punchline and their desks. But you know it it did let it set out to do and that ending you know just as I've said it was always going to be sixty issues that ending with the ending from the very beginning. Do you wanna describe the ending or do you wanna leave for people who find out. I'll leave it for your viewer terrier listener to discover. I want my share and sixty issues and and you're done and your life so we're now you're in the suicide men. Our daily. And tiger I did your budget every day. Let's talk about some things people don't know. About issue. For instance one thing that always made me laugh was that on every trade paperback wolf first of all of you I I think you're the one who established this model of do five issues take a month off and then put them out and have affordable trade paperback and I think that did really well for your right. I guess yeah actually in an hour that's called a Fargo model. Because it initially we had resistance from image because they're like you know Walking Dead does great and they are monthly you have to be mostly. And it's like well we you know we we're just to acumen and ban and rob can't do it quite well play surely pushing for an issue. You know down an issue off. But insiders are doing it and now everyone at emerged that. And you always used to include. In the pull quotes on the back cover one kind of crappy wondered why somebody who wasn't so impressed. Yeah we know it still wasn't bad review at the end and got but it looks bad I mean it would detonate chew. But everybody and we didn't really get any better or did so and it was kind of hard to find a bad old quote. But. There you know there are a lot of words that are you know bland you know nothing new and I did Diego comic I want I and that's guy. Named David lockup be like oh yeah I you know I I I'm David you know don't you know I. I like your blood everywhere I you know I've reviewed it if you are like yeah we YouTube Guatemala you know trade. Anything can hit every ball every and it will go to the bats well. I'm there are good looks or. So I don't flooding and I didn't have any you know animosity that he would get more. Get it now I love you did that and a for years I wanted to. Somebody it rubbed the famous author I get Iran to do like him I asked him if you if you wanted to see the next or American. And his exact words to me were all one you just leave. Some dog crap on my front lawn and and I wanted to use that as a pull quote. That's something also lay drugs to his that you published in the monthly issues where you had letters page. Pictures of people's kiddies. Well the letter agent would always come in I would always put them off to the very last minute and then I would write letters pages that we get a wife with typos. And it was so embarrassing. And then I realized. I could drink got pictures and just right you know fluffy area dole whatever and they wouldn't meet iBooks. And I want people send in pictures of their cats. And it turned out they ended up. Triggering and more than a letter. It will be like god you know you you've printed snowballing the issue eighteen and I win by ten copies. And I and everyone in my ballet they don't care about comics. I. I this way you know that I I tried again and again to get my cat main. To pose with a copy it shoo in her litter box and I am I could just now I can never you to work out man now live there's no more chances left is because the comics over. We're about. Other Easter usually you. You never put me in chew because I don't have a food related name all the characters in shoe correct how food names yeah. Yeah and you know rob rob the artist from Hillary put a lot of inside joke America met and got you know we have brand injure a lot in there at the end. Any repeating they like whenever there was a bar there was Whalen always. A layman brand liquor in her belly pulpit that layman brand. But there's probably. There's that kind of out. Mentally deficient got to eat eat. And he's always imagined he'd always eating juror one match. I. At a that don't you you have an Easter eggs all through the thing I think you mentioned one he'd done with Robert equipment. Oh yes so so like Tony daughter is like get teenager. And we thought she'd have like you know can you know at TD Canada the united. So little white checkered Barbara shopping posters of curtain my. You know her in her background. And then every time we revisited this I think I got a little more daring what's best for our job but the I I Google like hunky fireman. And then Photoshop. Younger my faith very helpful I am now. And so you have every issue has. They did in her room has different you know Photoshop Major Garrett. Did he ever respond to any of that putter when he Syria. Yet he had he told the nervous that he hates me as doctor reed cheer. Yeah. Now you've had some pressures of Hollywood over the years. You posted about some I'm give me any spoilers here. It's some have not worked out the big got people yeah cited and one was a cartoon correct. Yeah the cartoon is dead now developed the last thing that been an outstanding. And we had some people record we had David Kennedy Steve immune completion date. And and enough time pass then. You know agreement. Agreements expired and and it didn't quietly died on the right. This had to be heartbreaking for a lot of people having that kind of mirrored royalty cast involved a man and I'm going where we do hear about that yeah. I know I I I I don't know why it didn't gain traction let you know Hollywood and big old beast and not. You know I'd get clothing greeted can't put too much stock in it that you never know what's gonna happen. That being that it. I don't know. We parted ways would be all the Hollywood guy and many new things are developing so they're always. It always that potential pot of gold over the rainbow and and that's when actually looks pretty good. So I have a good news soon. One thing. I couldn't tell me a little bit about the lay outs because that's one of the things that I found really. I'm striking about shoe you get these big trip be splash pages with tons and tons of little panels and that. I guess are meant to depict Tony choose consciousness. Yeah we column are able grid but as far as people and not. And me in the last issue he beat bites his own mail and there's actually like a four page can about the mentally wearing each grid there's. You know they seen from me. Yeah from previous this year is worried basically reliving it and yeah it is light is flashing before and I. Well yeah is it power is you know he can be maintained at like eight impressions. So. You know we presented that it had you know agreed with various bank and you know maybe beating a hamburger and there's. Let the other German cal being slaughtered in America being cut and stuff like that he can be competing visions and everything eat Manhattan. Yeah we usually communicated. I also always thought east you send you last issue we are ready new had a bunch of those two page spread. Like the two page spread in comics always kind of strikes me. This I have to glorious and half kind of a screw you to their preacher who have pets as well. And one of the comic feud turned me onto a few years ago was I think was called agents of hate. And next wave and it was filled with those two page spread was at an influence on you. Well yeah. No there there is why the issue that I always should nextwave there's like gay church and two page spread that are well yeah this code on the bridge so long that you. He can't believe I. And I. There were. With a two page spread to wonder whether they should have shot land cowboy. By Jeff Darrell. Where he did the exact same thing but he went on for like 32 agents. And oh yeah I think younger artists like you know like do really can't look at Purdue are younger created yeah. Yeah I know personally I. I know the other coming your target of the shelling cowboys I can read these things. And again it was half wondrous and a half like are we just being pranks here. We'll never know that I mean we only have. Don't worry we've tried can never go over our page out you know we try to keep it to twenty. Yeah 28 getting you wanna double agent Brenda cannot. Represented the Gramm here you know it either going to be a big moment for the character your character or just a great visual image to do it elevated the so you really got out and get cautious play you know what what you're gonna do you know either right or get your gear is not a real bad. OK switching gears here you also. Are known for baiting Republicans on social media how excited John are you for the next four years of trump intense. I'll eat all you know I have I have -- made these look watching the world burn. Widget to even be did you know they did seem to be drawn fire on a world every day. I don't think you know some people are still angry and I'm just felt like watching with bad bemusement now. You live in Arizona which is the heart. Some Republican territory what's it been like for you there. You know I'm not sure that it is to imagine people like I think in this day I mean you updated and is it voted to. It went Trout but not bad strong. I and I think. We're about half a generation away from it turning. It bleeding purple and turning blue pill and I don't think they get better deepen FBI they didn't. Yeah BI you know they got through it might have been all of our pop up. Yeah. You can give us. Good good good getting to know and of this state getting a little broader and and hopefully people getting a little less stupid there at all. That being said it's an open carry state you're walking in the post up but and there's some bearded uncle Jesse looking data carrying these. It's an interest instead. Yeah I hear the post office just also know like we'd. Hey now you've got what is it a judge dredd predator aliens come account. Yeah I've got an tantamount to saying well it's where an aftershock. Without a legendary. Creator. But they haven't announced can't get. And then I'm sticking Quebec Greer we even got our next project lined up after the bank. And I did not a lot of things percolating like yeah you know robbed Hillary and I want to work on something bad I don't know what. Do you guys start their relationship after years of working together and you're ready to jump right back again. Well I mean I have taken like six month up from him I. Well we do we got today and we're we're trying to figure out what what the right move did you know we went to marvel and DC I gave you wanted you guys and I like what I had. I'm home. Yeah the all our you know we got better advice I'm not a little different and any image image a leg and back are being would you grade. But I'd kinda ocean. You're ready you would like running a business. I want it do. Play with someone del potro is Carlisle and not worry about. All the business crabs you know like an arc of something before we figured out what. OK and shoe is all available and on the more additions and smorgasbord additions as well trade paperbacks. We get big issue is. The twelfth straight comes out in January 8 that big hardcover comes out in March. And good third. Out in the litigation like off smorgasbord additional combat engineer and commander and I have. All right John lamen congratulations on a great run to. See when you're in Seattle. I doubt April are probably doing your job few decent. Yeah the cats sleep I'll see you soon morrow or next year you get lucky underneath. But hey. There. Our boys cop well yeah that's a good wrap up to 2016 when he yeah I think Rory as a way to make an impression. I didn't I didn't hear you say thank you. Two to John thrown his everything's driven from we've known each other for such a long time that thank used to not in our vote Carolyn let me rephrase Marleau are what are you guys Max airing in how can have let's wrap it up your game when you play. From good year thank you guys for being on board you're welcome written. Well how about that. That at the along 2016 I think we've earned it bug your hard swooning listener. We'll see you next year I'm mark Gromit specialize. Your inner geek wants to come out and play but where to. Joined Vernon Wells the ultimate globe where you when your fellow geeks can hang out play games and just nerd out 24 sevenths whether you love our TV's video games or are just a major fan of size flying culture Vernon Wells says something for everyone let your geek flags fly at Vernon Wells. Sign up today and see for yourself BMW duck club that's BMW dot clubs.