Opening Arguments is a podcast in which the hosts explain legal cases, and because they’re both atheists, they’re always people I enjoy listening to when it comes to church/state battles in particular.

Co-host Andrew Torrez recently sat down with Seth Andrews for a conversation about why he got involved in the show, what he thinks about Donald Trump‘s crimes, and what we should think about today’s conservative-leaning judiciary.

He is far more optimistic than I am about the future of the country. But I have no doubt he could make a strong case for it.

(via TheThinkingAtheist)

