17:39 Gavin: In a probably foolish attempt at being "Real" here for a minute let me ask you a question.

17:39 Michael JD: Sure buddy

17:39 Michael JD: what can i do for you

17:39 Michael JD: noquartergiven.tsservers.com

17:39 Michael JD: if you want to do it on voice please feel free to stop by

17:40 Gavin: If you truly do want to level up your folks and get more powerful so you can better assist the US nation.. what beneifit is there to attacking the American council which has never done anything but try to get the nation to work together?

17:40 Gavin: What is the UP side of such antics?

17:41 Michael JD: because you should get rid of the name of the council which is tarnished and try something else

17:41 Michael JD: and the council bears a lot of the responsibility as to what we face

17:41 Gavin: You got handed a version of events from stars and got a bad taste in your mouth regarding the council right from the moment you came to this server

17:41 Michael JD: Lol no i didn't i sat in on meeting where you "membership" talked about people

17:41 Michael JD: stars is full of shit

17:41 Michael JD: I know that you know that

17:42 Michael JD: but to say that the council didn't do anything wrong is just wrong

17:42 Michael JD: look we all make mistakes its why they put erasers on pencils

17:42 Michael JD: its not the end of the world

17:43 Michael JD: but at least help the faction tell them to evac to western Florida or Texas

17:43 Michael JD: wee will retake Florida

17:43 Michael JD: but not right now

17:43 Gavin: I was not at that meeting that night but your seriously saying that your bad impression of the council is from a private meeting where the whole point of discussion was the stars leader who had lied and betrayed us on numerous occasion..

17:43 Gavin: where they supposed to fall on their knees and kiss his feet?

17:43 Michael JD: Gavin. look I'm not going to argue the facts or history of this

17:43 Michael JD: what happened happened

17:43 Gavin: Btw never said the council did nothing wrong

17:44 Michael JD: The council fucked up. Stars handled what happened badly what happened should not have happened

17:44 Michael JD: You can pretend to believe that the council is blameless but its not

17:44 Michael JD: its not the end of the world

17:45 Gavin: No what you don't understand is Vicious wanted this all along. he never wanted to reconcile with the council he wanted to find an excuse to do what he did. sadly some people dont he council gave him that excuse.

17:45 Michael JD: Vicious isnt the deciding factor for Stars Duke Nasty was

17:45 Michael JD: I sat in those meetings with them

17:46 Michael JD: you seem to be missing that fact

17:46 Michael JD: yes vicious is a idiot

17:46 Michael JD: yes her pretends to be a puppet master

17:46 Michael JD: but he isnt

17:46 Gavin: No I don't exclude there was an inner circle that had the same goals as vicious

17:47 Michael JD: look Gavin, this is a great conversation but i don't understand what you want to achieve

17:47 Michael JD: I believe the council's mistakes are the reason we are losing eastern Florida

17:47 Gavin: anyway. the vitriol your spilling on usa chat doesn't help this nation. it will just cause more splits and fractures. Do you own thing by all means.. that's your right. but there is NO reason to tear the house down around you as you do it.

17:47 Michael JD: Yes it does because we have rescued 3 clans from the council who have moved down with us

17:48 Michael JD: because everyday you remain on the east coast is another day that our nation's members suffer

17:48 Gavin: Ok Vicious wannabe.. have fun

17:48 Michael JD: LOL