One of the astounding things about Rick Wiles’ End Times radio program “TruNews” is that when he invites fellow right-wing activists for interviews they often end up sounding absolutely reasonable by comparison as they try to talk Wiles down from his latest conspiracy theory.

That was the case yesterday when Wiles invited Patrick Poole of the conservative PJ Media onto his program to discuss the situation in the Middle East and Poole had to spend his time trying to convince Wiles that President Obama did not actually secretly spend half a billion dollars creating ISIS.

“There is no war against ISIS, Patrick, he’s not killing — he funded ISIS, he armed ISIS,” Wiles insisted. “I mean, this is part of the lie, this is part of the narrative.”

Citing the failure of a $500 million program to train rebel fighters in Syria, Wiles insisted that that money had been instead been included in a “black op budget” to create ISIS. “They spent $500 million building ISIS!” he said.

“What do you think was happening at Benghazi?” he asked. “They were running guns through Benghazi to ISIS.”

When Poole asked him what proof he had for this, Wiles said, “I would say the destruction of Syria and the slaughtering of the Christians and the burning of the churches, that’s the proof.”

“That’s the proof,” he added later. “Syria’s on fire. Somebody set Syria on fire, and the United States government is behind it and Russia has stepped in to stop this madness and it’s going to lead to World War III.”