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User Info: Jupiterservant Jupiterservant 3 years ago #31 ChaosAE posted...

Eh I think the reason that the friends are written so generically is so that by siding with Dagda you aren't strictly wrong, as their actions justify his view.

This is entirely correct. Even gameplaywise they serve a purpose Nanashi himself can do, save for Hal's full ailment defense via Chiro on a first playthrough. Magic, skills, equipment, demons can all do what they can do, and in the case of phys oriented demons or Odin do what Gaston does way better. They just make things easier .



The Jade Dagger used by Navarre can be used without the little ghost too.



RollingSkull posted...

ChaosAE posted...

Eh I think the reason that the friends are written so generically is so that by siding with Dagda you aren't strictly wrong, as their actions justify his view.

I think you got that right. The friends had to be written in such a way where you could betray them and it wouldn't come across as foolish or out of character or a lol randumb edgy choice. This is why Asahi isn't there for it, I think.



Asahi's missing is more likely to keep us from knowing wheter she would turn on Nanashi or not.You even have the option to use her as a distraction and be harmed by Adrammelech in his second fight. This is entirely correct. Even gameplaywise they serve a purpose Nanashi himself can do, save for Hal's full ailment defense via Chiro on a first playthrough. Magic, skills, equipment, demons can all do what they can do, and in the case of phys oriented demons or Odin do what Gaston does way better. They just make things easier .The Jade Dagger used by Navarre can be used without the little ghost too.Asahi's missing is more likely to keep us from knowing wheter she would turn on Nanashi or not.You even have the option to use her as a distraction and be harmed by Adrammelech in his second fight.

User Info: RollingSkull RollingSkull 3 years ago #32 miktalfelt3 posted...





It's also the only opportunity there'll ever be to outright fix the universe's problems cited by the White. If you pick Bonds, you may as well have doomed humanity under the basis of empty hope. Bonds is given a heavy focus, but it's definitely to mislead the player based on the entire plot of SMTIV.

This can't be true, except if it is terrible writing. If it were, Stephen would know it and not advertise paths as equal. Once more, if you've read the lore, you would see where the Bonds route achieves the goal as well.



But this is not the thread to be spoiling the game. None of this is discussed at the point OP is at. "I mean, come ON! Kill me?! Who HASN'T tried?!"

-- Mike Nelson, Mystery Science Theater 3000 This can't be true, except if it is terrible writing. If it were, Stephen would know it and not advertise paths as equal. Once more, if you've read the lore, you would see where the Bonds route achieves the goal as well.But this is not the thread to be spoiling the game. None of this is discussed at the point OP is at.

User Info: miktalfelt3 miktalfelt3 3 years ago #33 RollingSkull posted...

"horrific acts"



Your understanding of what it means to deny good and evil is about as weak as is your understanding of the Bible.



I mean, how long is it going to take you to figure out that God was not even speaking in that quote? Just the head of a warring Jewish tribe.



Moses is not God's prophet according to the Bible?



And I understand the plot of the Bible fairytale just fine.



God sacrificed himself, to himself, because he couldn't forgive what he himself ultimately knew was going to happen because God knows everything. Evidently, murdering his own son after putting him in a "sinful" human body was his proof of eternal love for humanity. Now, we all must recognize we're all born sinners, irredeemably evil, and must debase ourselves as proof of our "innocence" so that we must worship Jesus Christ by accepting Jesus into our heart so he can save us for the crime of being born and for having natural sexual feelings due to the natural need for a species to procreate.



Personally, I like the Krishna version of the story better. He was shot by a hunter, pinned onto a tree in a cross-shape, went to hell for 3 days, resurrected on the crucifix, and later ascended to heaven with the promise to destroy all sin once the tenth Avatar of Vishnu comes to the planet to free humanity.



So what I'm really getting to is.. Christianity is great for it's theft of Zoroastrianism's ideas and Krishna's story, but overall, it's weak compared to the source material; Krishna's denomination of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism's concepts and their Prophet, Zarathustra's, image.



Personally, I stopped caring when American Christian Evangelicals made a 1 hour documentary saying everyone should believe in Jesus or end-up like the Jews and be judged by Satan in hell. That was literally their argument and somehow American politics requires us to be tolerant of these anti-semites:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNvtA_q0e20 Moses is not God's prophet according to the Bible?And I understand the plot of the Bible fairytale just fine.God sacrificed himself, to himself, because he couldn't forgive what he himself ultimately knew was going to happen because God knows everything. Evidently, murdering his own son after putting him in a "sinful" human body was his proof of eternal love for humanity. Now, we all must recognize we're all born sinners, irredeemably evil, and must debase ourselves as proof of our "innocence" so that we must worship Jesus Christ by accepting Jesus into our heart so he can save us for the crime of being born and for having natural sexual feelings due to the natural need for a species to procreate.Personally, I like the Krishna version of the story better. He was shot by a hunter, pinned onto a tree in a cross-shape, went to hell for 3 days, resurrected on the crucifix, and later ascended to heaven with the promise to destroy all sin once the tenth Avatar of Vishnu comes to the planet to free humanity.So what I'm really getting to is.. Christianity is great for it's theft of Zoroastrianism's ideas and Krishna's story, but overall, it's weak compared to the source material; Krishna's denomination of Hinduism and Zoroastrianism's concepts and their Prophet, Zarathustra's, image.Personally, I stopped caring when American Christian Evangelicals made a 1 hour documentary saying everyone should believe in Jesus or end-up like the Jews and be judged by Satan in hell. That was literally their argument and somehow American politics requires us to beof these anti-semites:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNvtA_q0e20

User Info: miktalfelt3 miktalfelt3 3 years ago #34 RollingSkull posted...

miktalfelt3 posted...





It's also the only opportunity there'll ever be to outright fix the universe's problems cited by the White. If you pick Bonds, you may as well have doomed humanity under the basis of empty hope. Bonds is given a heavy focus, but it's definitely to mislead the player based on the entire plot of SMTIV.

This can't be true, except if it is terrible writing. If it were, Stephen would know it and not advertise paths as equal. Once more, if you've read the lore, you would see where the Bonds route achieves the goal as well.



But this is not the thread to be spoiling the game. None of this is discussed at the point OP is at.



No, they say it themselves in the ending. Bonds is the hope that humanity will be able to surpass YHVH and the Axiom. Anarchy is a guarantee that YHVH is deposed and no longer making your universe an eternal hellhole. No, they say it themselves in the ending.

User Info: RollingSkull RollingSkull 3 years ago #35 "I mean, come ON! Kill me?! Who HASN'T tried?!"

-- Mike Nelson, Mystery Science Theater 3000 I'm curious, were you able to shut up for one second about the Indians yesterday or did your family just know better not to invite you?

User Info: miktalfelt3 miktalfelt3 3 years ago #36 RollingSkull posted...

I'm curious, were you able to shut up for one second about the Indians yesterday or did your family just know better not to invite you?



Love you too. :) Love you too. :)

User Info: _Peridot_ _Peridot_ 3 years ago #37 Hastewoosh posted...

Yeah, but a fusion is different than what Danu did.

She created a new entity out of thin air while old Dagda just stood there and watched.

She just summoned another Dagda from her Compendium ~WHOMP WHOMP~ She just summoned another Dagda from her Compendium

User Info: KazuyaProta KazuyaProta 3 years ago #38 miktalfelt3 posted...

Personally, I like the Krishna version of the story better. He was shot by a hunter, pinned onto a tree in a cross-shape, went to hell for 3 days, resurrected on the crucifix, and later ascended to heaven with the promise to destroy all sin once the tenth Avatar of Vishnu comes to the planet to free humanity.



Oh boy, this go directy to r/badEasternPhilosophy



The Mahabharata also narrates the story of a hunter who becomes an instrument for Krishna's departure from the world. The hunter Jara, mistook Krishna's partly visible left foot for that of a deer, and shot an arrow, wounding him mortally. Krishna told Jara, "O Jara, you were Bali in your previous birth, killed by myself as Rama in Tretayuga. Here you had a chance to even it and since all acts in this world are done as desired by me, you need not worry for this". Then Krishna, with four handed form ascended to his abode. The news was conveyed to Hastinapur and Dwaraka by eyewitnesses to this event. The place of this incident is believed to be Bhalka, near Somnath temple.



A Quick visit to Wikipedia make your statement of Krishna=Jesus invalid. Oh boy, this go directy to r/badEasternPhilosophyA Quick visit to Wikipedia make your statement of Krishna=Jesus invalid.

User Info: miktalfelt3 miktalfelt3 3 years ago #39 KazuyaProta posted...

miktalfelt3 posted...

Personally, I like the Krishna version of the story better. He was shot by a hunter, pinned onto a tree in a cross-shape, went to hell for 3 days, resurrected on the crucifix, and later ascended to heaven with the promise to destroy all sin once the tenth Avatar of Vishnu comes to the planet to free humanity.



Oh boy, this go directy to r/badEasternPhilosophy



The Mahabharata also narrates the story of a hunter who becomes an instrument for Krishna's departure from the world. The hunter Jara, mistook Krishna's partly visible left foot for that of a deer, and shot an arrow, wounding him mortally. Krishna told Jara, "O Jara, you were Bali in your previous birth, killed by myself as Rama in Tretayuga. Here you had a chance to even it and since all acts in this world are done as desired by me, you need not worry for this". Then Krishna, with four handed form ascended to his abode. The news was conveyed to Hastinapur and Dwaraka by eyewitnesses to this event. The place of this incident is believed to be Bhalka, near Somnath temple.



A Quick visit to Wikipedia make your statement of Krishna=Jesus invalid.



Thanks for proving me right?



I've actually read the Vedas and know many Hindus who are part of the Krishna branch of the faith. I've actually spoken to them and learned their perspective. Krishna's story is exactly the Jesus story. Both were crucified upon trees, both thanked the ones who sent them to their deaths, both went to hell for 3 days, both ascended to heaven, and both promised to end sin. Jesus by redemption, Krishna by purifying the world of all sin. You can whine about how they're different and so forth, but it's the exact same story with only semantics as differences. Jesus Christ was never unique and his own image is just a rip off of Zoroaster.



Zoroaster:



https://line.do/uploads/ireland.heather_1425293654370.jpg



http://festivalsadvices.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Birthday-of-Zoroaster.jpg



Jesus:



http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5314490.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jesus-Christ.jpg



Heck, this story is older than Krishna AND Jesus. Isn't that awesome? :D



Sorry buddy, my fedora is similar to Krishna's, not the typical atheist's fedora. ;) Thanks for proving me right?I've actually read the Vedas and know many Hindus who are part of the Krishna branch of the faith. I've actually spoken to them and learned their perspective. Krishna's story is exactly the Jesus story. Both were crucified upon trees, both thanked the ones who sent them to their deaths, both went to hell for 3 days, both ascended to heaven, and both promised to end sin. Jesus by redemption, Krishna by purifying the world of all sin. You can whine about how they're different and so forth, but it's the exact same story with only semantics as differences. Jesus Christ was never unique and his own image is just a rip off of Zoroaster.Zoroaster:https://line.do/uploads/ireland.heather_1425293654370.jpghttp://festivalsadvices.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Birthday-of-Zoroaster.jpgJesus:http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5314490.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Jesus-Christ.jpgHeck, this story is older than Krishna AND Jesus. Isn't that awesome? :DSorry buddy, my fedora is similar to Krishna's, not the typical atheist's fedora. ;)