The Falcon and the Snow-Job, Part 1

FACTOID: In 1947, the Air Force knew that a shiny metallic surface makes an object show up better on radar, so they used aluminum foil to make radar reflectors for their weather balloons. However, by 1955, they had forgotten this fact, so they painted the first U-2 spy planes silver, which would have made them easily detectable by radar as they flew over the U.S.S.R. on reconnaisance missions. Their silvery appearance also caused people to mistake them for UFOs, according to CIA historians. Sometime later they realized their mistake and began to paint them black, thus creating the first "stealth" aircraft.

(Uncle Phaed's UFO Investigator's Handbook)

Who is former AFOSI Special Agent Richard C. Doty?

It's not easy to find information about Doty prior to 1980. The only information available is a few scraps in various UFO books plus the information that can be gleaned from four files that are online. These files consist of Doty's reputed Air Force discharge papers, a telephone interview that Phil Klass had with Doty on 1/8/88, and two letters purportedly written by Doty (3/3/89 and 4/4/89). However, there is not a lot of information in these files.

In the transcript of the telephone interview with Klass, Doty says that his father, Edward Doty, was in the Air Force, was an investigator for Project Bluebook, was at Holloman AFB from 1962 to 1964, and was involved in the investigation of the 1964 UFO landing case at Socorro, New Mexico. However, in a letter dated 3/3/89, Doty says that it was an uncle, not his father, that was a Bluebook investigator.

In his 3/3/89 letter, Doty says:

While assigned to the AFOSI District 70 Headquarters, Weisbaden, West Germany, I performed duties as a counterespionage specialist. In 1986, I was involved in a sensitive operation where I attempted to perform certain duties which would enable our team to trap possible foreign agents working against the interests of the United States. My supervisors, however, seen my actions as being unauthorized. Therefore, I was asked to leave AFOSI, which I did voluntarily. I accepted a position at Kirtland AFB, in Albuquerque, NM, where my son was residing with my former spouse.

Apparently, Doty was at Kirtland at least twice. We know he was there in 1980, since that is when the Bennewitz affair took place, and here he says that he transferred back to Kirtland in 1986.

He goes on to say(someone had said he finished his Air Force service as a cook):

My last two years of service was in the Services career field, but not as a cook.

Sgt. Doty retired from the U.S. Air Force on October 1, 1988. His letters give a post office box in Grants, New Mexico as a return address. He says in one of the letters that he does not live in New Mexico, but only maintains a forwarding service there. One of his letters says that his present job involves investigations, but nothing to do with UFOs. An unverified source said that he is a New Mexico State Policeman in Grants.

The first we hear of Richard C. Doty is in the summer of 1980. He was the AFOSI officer who took Craig Weitzel's report of seeing a UFO near Kirtland. You will recall from our feature "Kirtland AFB Sightings, Part 2" that, later in 1980, APRO received an anonymous letter that embellished Weitzel's report considerably, turning it from a sighting report into a close encounter. According to Robert Hastings, analysis later showed that this letter had been typed on the same typewriter that had been used to type the original Weitzel sighting report. This report was signed "Richard C. Doty." The validity of this analysis, however, is not clear.

A short time after the Weitzel sighting, Paul Bennewitz contacted Kirtland AFB with his stories of UFOs over Manzano and of receiving low frequency alien communications. Once again, Agent Doty was the AFOSI officer assigned to investigate.

According to William Moore, by the time he was sent to investigate Bennewitz's claims in 1982, Doty had been feeding the man disinformation for two years. See the previous feature The Destruction of Paul Bennewitz for more on this. Moore further claims that he was recruited by someone who called himself Falcon to assist in feeding disinformation about UFOs to Bennewitz, and that his liason with Falcon was Doty. It appears, though, that Moore had already known Doty for at least a year, since he claims Doty gave him a copy of the Project Aquarius Document in February of 1981, according to Curtis Peebles. The information here is very sketchy, and is, as best I can tell, based entirely on statements from Moore.

Richard Doty says that, whatever he did, he did it under orders.

If so, what was the purpose of those orders? It appears almost certain that the intent was to draw attention away from the actual sightings at Manzano and Coyote Canyon. Why? What was being protected? Was the Air Force really testing UFOs at Manzano? Or were UFOs visiting Manzano? Or were top-secret SDI weapons being tested at Manzano?

One thing is for certain. Almost as soon as the relationship between Richard C. Doty and William L. Moore began, copies of purported classified government documents regarding UFOs suddenly began appearing, as we shall see in the next part of this series:

The Falcon and the Snow-Job, Part 2

And be these juggling fiends no more believ'd,

That palter with us in a double sense;

That keep the word of promise to our ear

And break it to our hope.

(Macbeth, act 5, scene vii, line 48 - William Shakespeare)

ACT I:

Late in 1972, according to Timothy Good's Alien Contact, film producers Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler were approached by U.S. Air Force officers about making a documentary on UFOs. The Air Force, it seemed, was now ready to "spill the beans", ready to throw open the doors of "Hangar 18" and the "blue room".

The two producers were, according to them, invited to the Pentagon, where they met with Air Force Colonels William Coleman and George Weinbrenner, who showed them movies and stills of gray aliens, including one who they said survived a crash and lived for three years.

Then, in 1973, Emenegger and Sadler were invited to Norton AFB, California, where they met with the head of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations(AFOSI - the same department that Richard Doty worked for...) and Paul Shartle, former head of security and chief of the audiovisual program at Norton AFB. At this meeting, they were told that film existed of an April, 1964 UFO landing at Holloman AFB, Alamogordo, New Mexico. When the craft landed, three aliens with eyes like a cat's stepped out and communicated with the base commander and two scientists by using some sort of "translator". Emenegger and Sadker were promised the use of this film for their documentary, but the offer was withdrawn a short time later.

When interviewed in 1988, Paul Shartle would say that the Air Force had told him that the film was "theatrical footage" that had been purchased to make a training film.

In a phone interview with Phil Klass, Richard Doty purportedly said that his family was at Holloman AFB in April, 1964, presumably because his father, Edward Doty, was stationed there.

ACT II:

On February 9, 1978, a curious document, an apparent carbon copy of an official U.S. Air Force incident report, arrived at the office of The National Enquirer in Lantana, Florida. Accompanying the document was an unsigned letter dated "29 Jan."

The report and the letter described a close encounter with an alien that supposedly took place at Ellsworth Air Force Base in South Dakota on 16 November 1977.

Although the names mentioned in the report were those of actual persons on active duty at Ellsworth, even The National Enquirer thought the report was a hoax. They said:

We found more than 20 discrepancies or errors in the report -wrong names, numbers, occupations, physical layouts and so on. Had the Security Option alert mentioned in the report taken place, it would have involved all security personnel at the base and everyone at the base and in Rapid City (Population 45,000 plus) would have known about it.

According to Doty's purported Air Force discharge papers, he was stationed at Ellsworth from 1976 to 1978. According to Jacques Vallee's Revelations, William Moore claimed that Doty admitted to him that had forged the Ellsworth Document. However, there is supposedly an Inspector General's Report on this incident that states that the perpetrator was not Doty, but someone else.

ACT III

According to Howard Blum's Out There, William Moore first became interested in UFOs when he was a teenager, after reading about the Aztec "crash" in Frank Scully's Behind the Flying Saucers. He joined NICAP(National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena) while in college at Thiel College in Pennsylvania in the sixties, and remained a member after beginning his teaching career in New York.

In the late seventies, Bill Moore co-wrote The Philadelphia Experiment with Charles Berlitz. The book became a best-seller, and in 1979, Moore decided to quit his teaching job in Minnesota and try his hand at writing full-time, with his preferred subject being UFOs.

In Arizona, he joined the Lorenzen's Tucson-based APRO(Aerial Phenomena Research Organization), and soon became one of its directors. He was spending most of his time researching events that had occurred in 1947 in neighboring New Mexico for another book he was writing with Berlitz, The Roswell Incident. Also helping with the research on this book was a well-known UFOlogist, Stanton Friedman. The book was be released in 1980 and was also a best-seller. After this book, Moore broke with Berlitz and he and Friedman teamed up to continue investigating the Roswell case for several years.

After the book became popular, Moore appeared on several radio talk shows about Roswell and UFOs. He relates that twice, after radio appearances in the month of September, 1980, he received phone calls from someone who only said, "You're the only person we've ever heard who seems to be on the right track." The second caller suggested that they meet. Moore drove to a coffeeshop in Albuquerque and met, for the first time, the individual he refers to as the Falcon.

The Falcon, who Moore said was a well-placed individual within the intelligence community who claimed to be directly connected to a high-level government project dealing with UFOs, met with Moore several times over a period of months and then offered him a deal: He and the group he represented would help Moore in his quest for the truth about UFOs if Moore would consent to help them by feeding disinformation to, and by reporting to them on, ..... Paul Bennewitz! According to Moore, his contact during this was not be the Falcon himself, but was.... Richard C. Doty!

Moore allegedly functioned as something of a "triple agent" for about four years. He was friends with Paul Bennewitz while reporting on his activities to both APRO and to Doty, and feeding Bennewitz disinformation from Doty and/or the Falcon. Moore said later that he went along with this offer because he saw it as his only chance to get "inside" information about governmental UFO activities. See The Destruction of Paul Bennewitz for more about this.

The Falcon and the Snow-Job, Part 3

Red Herring ...A herring that is cured by smoking turns red. It also has a strong odor, and hunting dogs were often trained to follow a scent by means of a red herring that had been dragged along the ground. On the other side of the coin, people who opposed fox hunting sometimes drew a red herring across the path of the fox; the dogs would give up on the fox and follow the scent of the herring.

(The Dictionary of Cliches by James Rogers)

ACT IV

In February, 1981, according to Curtis Peebles' Watch the Skies, Richard C. Doty gave Bill Moore a copy of a classified teletype document that spoke of the government's secret investigation of UFOs, of a Project Aquarius and of something called MJ-Twelve. This was the first known mention of those two terms.

The following year, Moore and a former National Enquirer reporter named Robert Pratt discussed writing a novel about the adventures of an Air Force intelligence officer and calling it The Aquarius Project. According to Peebles, the novel was actually finished, but was never published.

In the spring of 1982, a tv station, KPIX in San Francisco, hired Moore as a consultant for a UFO special. Moore, who was now living in Los Angeles, was assisted by his friends Jaime Shandera, a television producer, and Stanton Friedman, the UFOlogist. Moore gave a copy of the Aquarius teletype to KPIX, and they asked the Air Force to verify its authenticity. KPIX was told by the AFOSI that the document was a forgery, that it had several flaws that identified it as such. Moore, according to Peebles, admitted that he had retyped the document and had added an "official-looking date stamp."

Moore arranged a meeting with Doty that included Ron Lakis of KPIX and Peter Gersten, a lawyer specializing in FOIA requests for UFO documents. Doty allegedly told them that he had been investigating UFOs for several years for the AFOSI and that he had access to top-secret documents related to UFOs. Doty also allegedly told them about secret treaties with the aliens and that Project Aquarius involved contact with aliens. He reportedly said that he knew of three UFO crashes that had been recovered and that alien bodies were in the government's possession. He also mentioned that the government practiced "disinformation" and was conditioning the public to accept the aliens.

ACT V

In the spring of 1983, according to Timothy Good in Alien Contact, William Moore received a phone call from someone who said that he would be allowed to see some important information if he followed the instructions he was given. The instructions involved flying from one airport to another, getting phone instructions as to the next destination at each stop, until finally he ended up at a motel in upstate New York. At a certain time, an individual arrived at the motel room with an envelope containing eleven pages. Moore was told:

You have exactly nineteen minutes. You may do whatever you wish with the material during that time, but at the end of that time, I must have it back. After that, you are free to do what you wish.

The eleven pages were something called a TOP SECRET/ORCON document titled Executive Briefing. Subject: Project Aquarius dated June 14, 1977. Moore was allowed to photograph the documents and to read their contents into a tape recorder.

The documents detailed the recovery of a crashed alien craft and a live alien in 1949, and the recovery of a fully functioning alien craft in Utah in 1958. It detailed several "projects" involved with aliens and UFOs:

1. Project Bando: Medical studies of alien bodies recovered from crashes and of the live alien rescued from the crash in 1949 in New Mexico.

2. Project Sigma: A project to establish communications with the aliens.

3. Project Snowbird: Testing and flight of a recovered alien craft.

4. Project Pounce: An overall evaluation project.

Note the similarities of this document with the one shown to Linda Moulton Howe in the next act.

ACT VI

In April, 1983, Linda Moulton Howe, who had produced an excellent documentary about cattle mutilations called Strange Harvest, was working on a new script about UFOs for HBO. The evening before her meeting with the HBO people, Howe had dinner with an attorney named Peter Gersten. Gersten told Howe that he had met with Richard C. Doty, an AFOSI agent at Kirtland AFB, and perhaps Doty would be willing to talk on camera or in some other helpful capacity about a UFO incident that had supposedly occurred at Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota in 1978. Gersten offered to call him and ask if he would be willing to meet with Howe.

Arrangements were made for Howe to fly to Albuquerque on April 9, where Doty would meet her at the airport. Doty was not there when she arrived, but he later picked her up at Jerry Miller's house. Miller, a former Project Bluebook investigator, was acquainted with Doty.

On the way from Miller's house to Kirtland AFB, Howe asked Doty, whose manner she said was both defiant and nervous, if he knew anything about the Holloman landing. Doty reportedly said it happened on April 25, 1964, just 12 hours after the famous sighting reported by policeman Lonnie Zamora in Socorro, New Mexico. Military and scientific personnel at the base knew a landing was coming, but "someone blew the time and coordinates"and an "advance military scout ship" had come down at the wrong time and place, and were seen by Zamora.

According to Howe, when they got to Kirtland, Doty took her to a small office where he showed her a brown envelope and said, "My superiors have asked me to show you this." He withdrew several sheets of white paper from the envelope. As he handed them to Howe, he warned her that they could not be copied; all she could do was read them in his presence and ask questions.

The document was titled Briefing Paper for the President of the United States of America. It described UFO crashes, alien bodies, and an alien who survived one of the crashes. The paper listed several government UFO projects:

Project Garnet: an investigation into human evolution.

Project Sigma: efforts to communicate with aliens.

Project Snowbird: R & D of alien technology recovered from UFO crashes.

Project Aquarius: The umbrella program involving alien contact.

Doty allegedly told Howe that she would be given several thousand feet of film taken of aliens, including the Holloman AFB landing in 1964. The film never materialized.

Howe says that Doty also promised her an interview with a Colonel who had become friends with an alien who had survived a crash and lived for three years. The offer never materialized as the interview was repeatedly set up and then cancelled. HBO told Howe that she would have to have all the evidence in her possession before they would authorize any funds. Doty finally told Howe the project was kaput and Howe's contract with HBO expired.

Doty would later deny all of this, although Howe swore out a signed affadavit that it all occurred. Doty is said to have passed a polygraph examination that supported his version of the interview.

ACT VII

In Jacques Vallee's Revelations, he tells how, in early 1985, Robert Emenegger was approached again by Colonel William Coleman (see The Falcon and the Snow-Job, Part 1), who was now retired and living in Florida, with yet another offer. If Emenegger could convince Allen Hynek and Vallee to get involved, then the government would be willing to release "final" evidence of UFOs. Emenegger was convinced that the offer was on the level, particularly after a meeting with General Glenn E, Miller, deputy director of the Defense Audiovisual Agency (DAVA), but Hynek and Vallee proceeded cautiously.

Hynek was invited to Norton AFB in California to meet with General Miller and his boss, DAVA director General Robert Scott. Vallee was later invited to Norton as well. They came away with no new information, just hints and the impression that they had been talking to two wild-eyed UFO contactees rather than two Air Force officers. Vallee still puzzles over the purpose of these meetings. Were they an attempt to find out how much Hynek and Vallee knew? Were they tentative steps toward discrediting two of the top names in UFOlogy? Were they an opening gambit for piping more disinformation into the field?

Meanwhile, Moore, Shandera, and Friedman were studying the MJ-12 documents....

FILE ORIGINATES FROM: <<UFONET I>>

UPLOADED BY: Tom Mickus

DATE OF UPLOAD: JAN/14/1990



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KLASDOTY.TXT [ ***] JAN/88 Interview with Klass and R. Doty



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NOTE: The file is reproduced verbatim, except for use of "(sic)".

Use of "{}" and "()" brackets, along with CAPITALIZATION and

underlining "___" are evidently the work of the author of

this transcript. Additionally, all personal comments and

characterizations contained within, are also of the author's.



"PJK:" = Phillip J. Klass



"RCD:" = Richard C. Doty



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Richard (Rick) C. Doty: Telephone interview: Jan. 8, 1988

(Highlight/Excerpts)



1. Says unable to meet with PJK this weekend, will not be in the area, returning Thursday/Friday.



2. He asked what he could do for me and I said I wanted to get him (sic) comments on allegations against him in Just Cause and in MUFOn (sic) Journal. Said he has seen both.



PJK: Are you planning to take any action?



RCD: I've already taken action. I've an attorney that last summer took some action on my behalf regarding the allegation that I allegedly had leaked these documents. {{PJK Note: But that allegation would not (sic) made publicly by Greenwood until Sept. 1987}} And Greenwood, Gersten, Moore and a couple other people were involved. WELL, I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT SIGNED BY BILL MOORE THAT WAS EXECUTED IN COURT WITH MY ATTORNEY PRESENT THAT SAYS THAT BILL MOORE NEVER, EVER RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM ME OTHER THAN SOME BITS AND PIECES ABOUT AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AT KIRTLAND IN 1980. {{PJK doubts this could have occurred in the few months since allegations were made public.}}



"HE GAVE THE PERSON'S NAME IN THE AFFIDAVIT THAT HE RECEIVED THE DOCUMENTS FROM, AND THIS PERSON--I DON'T KNOW HIM--THIS PERSON IS IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND MY ATTORNEY WENT TO WASHINGTON D.C. AND SPOKE TO THIS PERSON AND HE DENIED EVER GIVING BILL MOORE ANYTHING ALTHOUGH HE SAID HE HAD REGULAR CONTACT WITH BILL MOORE. {{PJK: Very doubtful claim}}



So, allegedly, Peter Gersten was given this information and then apologized saying that they never had any concrete information that I had given him anything anyways, but they had kind of put two and two together and thought that it must have come from me.



PJK: You say that Moore signed an affidavit. Have you made that affidavit public?



RCD: No, no I haven't.



PJK: Do you plan to?



RCD: I don't know. It's up to the attorney. Again, this happened last year and I have had (sic) any further contact with MUFON or the CAUS

people. {He later changes this story.} When that article came I was inundated with phone calls and letters and people trying to interview me

saying they want to know what this is all about. And I don't even know, I didn't know, I didn't see these documents until October or November.

{NOTE: he is referring to the MJ-12 papers, which were first made public in late May/early June, 1987}



And I too (sic) one look at them and said, these are phony. (Laughs) These aren't even credible documents. What I was shown had some legitimate documents in that was obtained FOIA but these other ones that were released--apparently Bill Moore released it in some kind of a news release.



He claimed to have gotten these in (PJK: In December, 1984). Well I wasn't even in the country, nor would anyone have had access to me in

1984. All these things were started in the lawyer's--I can't remember what the legal term was he used--but the court document refuting the claim

that I gave him.



PJK: Would you be willing to give me the name of your lawyer?



RCD: Ah, I can give him your name and he can contact you. But why would you want to know that?



PJK: (Explains I am long-time UFO skeptic/investigator, that if MJ-12 papers were authentic, it would be biggest story for AW&ST. So I dug

into MJ-12, found evidence to indicate they are a hoax.)



RCD: Yeah, you just have to look at them. A fifth grader could tell they're not properly classified and down grade instructions. I've been

working in classified for 20 years, from all levels. When my lawyer showed me copies of them--and my lawyer is retired military, of course,

and he could tell they're phony.



Apparently Gersten's crew knew they were phony.



PJK: (Explains prevailing view among UFO believers is that MJ-12 is a hoax, but question is who is responsible for producing them.)



RCD: WELL, THE FBI KNOWS THAT. THE FBI KNOWS WHO DID IT. THAT INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED TO THE FBI, THE FBI INTERVIEWED THIS PERSON AND OF COURSE THIS PERSON DENIED HE EVER GAVE THEM TO HIM (Moore).

But I think what this person did was he created the documents--I don't know if Bill Moore was actually involved in it, I don't think he was,

but it's a possibility.



The FBI never pursued it, I don't know why, unless they just couldn't. I don't know if there was any law that this guy broke. I don't if that is public record or not, but you'd have to go to the FBI to find out.BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT THEY INTERVIEWED HIM--THIS PERSON IN WASHINGTON D.C.



PJK: And about when would that have been?



RCD: Ah, gee, last year (ie. 1987)



PJK: How would the FBI have located this person in Washington--I'll call him Mr. X--



RCD: As a matter of fact that's what William Moore called him, Mr. X.



PJK: Are you suggesting that Moore told the FBI who X is?



RCD: I don't. To tell you the truth I don't remember how--and I don't even know if I was privvy (sic) to that information as to how the FBI found ought (sic) who this guy was, but I think that after this stuff came out the Justice Dept. investigated it or made some inquiries or something and then found out, I don't know how. I don't have that information.



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PJK then raises allegations made by CAUS and reads the first: "In 1984, Linda Moulton Howe, who produced the well-known cattle mutilation film STRANGE HARVEST, was contacted by a government source {{CAUS later identifies this source as Doty}} to aid in producing a UFO documentary, essentially providing the answer to UFOs. She was invited by the source, briefed on the story, then sworn to secrecy about it until the film's eventual release. The deal was never completed. Details of the story given to her match the MJ-12 tale, along with much extra detail about contacts with 'EBES' {{Extraterrestrial Biological Entities}}, Nordic type aliens called 'Highs' and conflicting alien factions."



What can you tell me about your contact with her?



RCD: (Laughs) OK. In my duties, in my official government duties I made contact with her AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHY, I made contact with her for information that she had that she was willing to share with us. The information had nothing to do with UFOs, absolutely nothing to do with UFOs. {{PJK note: Howe is a slightly wacky free-lance TV producer who focuses on UFOs, cattle mutilations, UFO-abductions, etc.

--What kind of info would she have that Doty would seek "in an official" capacity--and which is so sensitive he could not tell me??}}



When she found out I was with a government agency and I was the same one that had investigated the (UFO) incident (at Kirtland) in 1980, she started asking me questions about UFOs, about what I thought about UFOs, and what my beliefs were about them, and if I could tell her anything about what the government had. And I told her, I don't know very much. I can tell you what happened at Kirtland, because I investigated it. Probably it can be explained away.



She said that she had been involved with Budd Hopkins and a number of people who claimed to have been abducted (by UFOs) and then she gives me this whole story about aliens abducting people, and they're called EBES, and then she said she had a contact--I later found out who

it was--that had showed her some government documents pertaining to MJ-12 and all this other stuff.



But I never, ever originated any contact regarding UFOs with her. Because of our continuing interest in what she was doing--NOT UFOs but

to something else--she would ask me questions like what do you think about this, what do you thing (sic) about that?



I can tell you that in 1985, excuse me in May, 1986, I TOOK AN EXTENSIVE POLYGRAPH EXAMINATION PERTAINING TO AN ALLEGATION SHE HAD MADE AND I PASSED IT, A GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERED POLYGRAPH, SHOWING I WAS THE ONE TELLING THE TRUTH AND SHE WAS THE ONE LYING.



PJK asks if Howe took a Polygraph test and he says no.



RCD: There was another person involved in this who took a polygraph test and failed it. That's why I say I know where she got the information from. Because this person REFUSED (??) AND QUIT GOVERNMENT SERVICE AT THE TIME. Anyway, she would sit down and talk to me for hours about UFOs, but she would do all the talking. She had everything already figured out. She claimed that well I know there's a ship FLYING ABOVE THE ARCTIC THAT ARE COLLECTING SOULS AND THERE'S ONLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SOULS AND THEY HAVE TO BE REGENERATED. JUST INCREDIBLE STUFF. SHE BELIEVES ALL THESE ABDUCTEES...



I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE TWO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND I HAVE NOTHING TO BACK THIS UP, STRICTLY UNOFFICIAL, BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THE GOVERNMENT AFTER HOPKINS WORTE HIS (first) BOOK, CALLED MISSING TIME, THAT THE GOVERNMENT WENT TO THESE PEOPLE (i.e. "abductees") AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD PROVIDE THE SAME INFORMATION TO THE GOVERNMENT AND SOME OF THESE PEOPLE REPUDIATED WHAT THEY TOLD HOPKINS. NOW THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.



Anyway, I never told her and showed her anything, except what we were doing on the other project. She just made that up, she exaggerated...

she's jsut so hung up you can't talk about anything else (with her).



PJK: Then reads a second allegation: "CAUS Director, Peter Gersten, in a visit with a military intelligence source at Kirtland AFB in 1983 {{later identified as Doty}} was informed of a wide range of bizarre UFO stories. Included were comments on a briefing paper on UFOs for President

Carter, the Cash/Landrum (incident) being a government exploitation of UFO technology- ...Bill Moore being 'right on' with Roswell (crashed

saucer), and an admission that the original Project Acquarius (sic) cable (TWX) ...was retyped and not an original cable. This cable was the

first mention anywhere of MJ-12 and Project Acquarius (sic)."



RCD: (Laughs) Gersten came out, I don't even remember when it was, and somebody from California, some television official from California.

Gersten had spoke to me on the telephone several days before and said he'd like to get in touch with me about this 1980 Kirtland incident.

So I agreed to meet with him.



And he sat there and asked me a number of questions about UFOs and I answered him LIKE I WAS TOLD TO ANSWER HIM. The meeting was official insofar as my capacity.



PJK: Do you have a tape recording of that meeting?



RCD: Oh yes.



PJK: Where would that be, in OSI files?



RCD: I can't disclose. I'm not going to comment on that. But when I confronted Peter Gersten some time later, after my attorney did, he shut right up, suspecting that it was recorded and knowing that he's lying. I told him if he wants to go to court--I told him in a telephone conversation I did--if you want to go to court, I've got the evidence to prove you wrong. And he just shut his mouth.



Now I'm not going to go into that because there's another aspect involved that I can't discuss. {{RCD FREQUENTLY IMPLIES THAT HE CANNOT DISCUSS SOMETHING BECAUSE OF SENSITIVITY, I.E. SECURITY.}} The only conversation I had with Gersten was RIGHT OUTSIDE A HOTEL. HE WANTED TO MEET ME ALONE, GETTING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION IN THE RESTAURANT. IT WAS STRICTLY HIM ASKING ME QUESTIONS AND ME DENYING THEM. "I don't know what you're talking about. No, I don't know about this, or that."



He asked me about the UFO in Texas that exploded and hurt somebody [PJK: The Cash-Landrum case]. I said I know nothing about that. HE was the one who said I understand it was a recovered alien craft, flown by the government--his source had told him that. I said, well, I don't know. {{PJK: Gersten was the lawyer for Ms. Cash and Ms. Landrum who sued USAF for $10 million for alleged injuries.}}



Anyways, he asked me, well I don't remember now. But he asked me a lot of questions but I never once provided, not one bit of information to him, or to anyone else. (laughs) Come on now, I wouldn't be fool enough to do that. Well, anyway he said he wanted to meet me later near his hotel where he was staying and I agreed with that. {{Strange behaviour if RCD could not or did not want to answer Gersten's questions.}} The coversation (sic) wasn't recorded.



He showed me a document that was allegedly a teletype message that was sent from ah, I think it was sent from Washington to OSI Detachment or district headquarters at Kirtland, I believe that was the routing. Any way, (sic) I looked at the document and said gee this is an inaccurate document. And he said, why? And I said, well in a classified document each paragraph is classified and in this document the paragraphs were not classified. The top marking said it was supposedly secret.



And he said, well read it, and I read it and said well it appears to me that somebody retyped this and typed this up. And he said, do you think it's based on an actual document, and I said, well, I said, it could be based on an actual document but I'm not going to say it was. Now, years later, it was based on an actual document that was typed. However, SOMEBODY ADDED A LOT OF FABRICATION TO IT, A LOT OF JUNK TO IT.



Now, who I think did it is Richard Todd {{A UFOlogist in Penn. or N.J. who is active investigator using FOIA) ...He sent documents to the government which were forged and he said in his letter, these are forged documents, don't you think they're great. I mean they had all sorts of code words in them, unbelieveable. And I think that somebody provided some information to Todd or Gersten and then they exaggerated all the rest of it. Probably from the FOIA documents that were released in 1980, or whenever they were released.



So that was it. And then about a month later Gersten called me back and said HEY, CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME MORE INFORMATION. AND I SAID, NO I GAVE YOU--HE WANTED ME TO COMMENT MORE ON THE DOCUMENT, THE MJ-12 AND ACQUARIUS. AND THEN HE PROBABLY CALLED ME SEVERAL TIMES AFTER THAT BUT I NEVER HAD ANY, NEVER VOLUNTEERED ANY INFORMATION. I'M A PROFESSIONAL INTELLIGENCE PERSON AND I KNOW WHAT TO SAY AND WHAT NOT TO SAY, AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T TELL ANYBODY ANYTHING THAT WOULD GET ME IN TROUBLE.



PJK: Asks if he is due to retire soon.



RCD: Yes



PJK: What are you going to be doing then?



RCD: I have a business.



(PJK offers to reimburse him for this long-distance call)



RCD: I'd just as soon put this thing to rest, and I thought it was at rest once before. And I wouldn't even have spoke to you BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SPOKE TO ANY ONE ELSE {{CONTRADICTS EARLIER STATEMENT ABOUT MANY PHONE CALLS, INTERVIEWS}}



BUT A HIGH OFFICIAL WITHIN DOD CONTACTED ME AFTER I TALKED WITH GEORGE PEARCE AND SAID NO, I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ANYBODY. BUT THIS OFFICIAL FROM DOD CONTACTED ME AND SAID THAT YOU (pjk) WERE LEGITIMATE AND YOU WOULD REBUT THESE, SO I SAID SURE, AS LONG AS HE'S GOING TO PRESS THE TRUTH AND NOT EXAGGERATE LIKE ALL THESE PEOPLE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TALK TO HIM.



{{After this telcon, PJK called Col. David Shea, to thank him for calling RCD, only to be told that Shea did NOT talk to Doty, but to George Pearce--P.I.O. at Kirtland--SO CLEARLY RCD WAS NOT BEING FULLY TRUTHFUL IN ABOVE CLAIM--BUT TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF SOUND IMPRESSIVE.}}



PJK: Asks for RCD's suspicions as to who composed MJ-12 documents. "What about Bill Moore"?



RCD: No. I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONTACTS WITH HIM. TO TELL THE TRUTH, I DON'T THINK HE HAS THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO THAT. Now he could probably have helped.



I KNOW SOME THINGS THAT YOU DON'T--THE GOVERNMENT I SHOULD SAY--KNEW SOME THINGS ABOUT HIM THAT MAYBE OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, THAT WOULD INDICATE TO ME THAT I DON'T THINK HE WOULD DO IT. NOW THAT'S MY FEELING. MAYBE HE DID, I DON'T KNOW.



I THINK THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WITHIN DIA [Defense Intelligence Agency] who is a good friend of Emmeneger--do you know a guy name of Emmeneger ...he's a person who wrote a book about a Holloman incident in 1964-- he wrote it in 1972 or 1973--supposedly a UFO landed at Holloman Air Force Base--and this Emmenger (sic) wrote a book and he allegedly based it on information that was provided to him by DIA officials in Washington. I never read the book....



PJK: When is the incident supposed to have occurred?



RCD: In 1964. HOLLOMAN AF BASE INCIDENT WHERE A UFO ALLEGEDLY LANDED RIGHT ON THE BASE AND IT WAS FLOWN INTO A HANGER AND THE BASE COMMANDER AND EVERYBODY GOT OUT THERE AND MET THE ALIENS. EMMENEGER SUPPOSEDLY WAS ALLOWED TO SEE HIGHLY CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS IN THE PENTAGON REGARDING THIS INCIDENT AND THEN HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT IT--1973 OR 1974.



PJK: But why would they send it (MJ-12 papers) to Jamie Shandera



RCD: WHO?



PJK: Nobody in the UFO Movement had ever heard of Jamie Shandera



RCD: WHO?



PJK: Shandera is the guy who allegedly received the MJ-12 documents on a roll of unprocessed 35 mm. film.



RCD: Well, I don't know him. {{PJK believes he is telling truth, based on his reactions above--unless RCD is a clever actor.}} That's probably just a name that Moore uses. Is this guy an actual person?



PJK: Yeah, I've met him. He's a TV producer in southern California. (PJK explores why film was sent to Shandera instead of Moore.)



RCD: My gut feeling, but don't quote me, my gut feel is that THOSE (MJ-12) DOCUMENTS WERE ORIGINATED BY A PERSON WITHIN DIA AND THAT THEY WERE SENT TO MOORE OR TO WHOMEVER THIS OTHER GUY IS, IN ORDER TO DISCREDIT THEM.



MY PERSONAL FEELING IS THAT IT WAS A GOVERNMENT OPERATION. (i.e. government disinformation) I WASN'T INVOLVED IN IT. But it was a government operation.



PJK (plays devil's advocate to challenge his theory)



RCD: Well, maybe Mr. X thought it was such a good piece of forgery that Moore--without ever having been in government service or the

military--wouldn't recognize it (as a forgery). And they would be so fascinating to Moore



PJK: Then goes into anomaly in the date format used in MJ-12 briefing document--same curious format used by William Moore.



RCD: Well, you're seeing things that I didn't see. Maybe he did do it.



PJK then offered to send him copy of my upcoming article in Skeptical Inquirer, and he expressed interest:



PJK asked for mailing address and RCD gave military address, not home address:



Richard C. Doty

1606 SVS/SVF

Kirtland AFB, N.M. 87117



When PJK asked: "and is that Master Sergeant," there was a long pause and he answered "yeah, you can put Master Sergeant."



PJK: My advice to you would be that I think that you or your lawyer ought to write a letter to CAUS or to the MUFON UFO Journal and ask

that it be published, denying those things that you feel you should deny.



RCD: OK Well, see, we did that. We wrote to the publishers of the newsletters {{Note PLURAL--yet MUFON report just came out about a week ago.}} but they didn't publish em.



PJK: Well, if you did that, I would very much like to get a copy. In other words, if you wrote it, intending for it to be made public, then

there certainly is no reason for it to be kept secret.



RCD: OK, what's your address.



PJK: Supplied same.



RCD: Yeah, I'll be more than happy to send you a, I'll dig 'em up.



(Don't hold your breath until they arrive.)



When PJK asks if he will stay in Albuquerque after he retires, he said he will stay in New Mexico, explains he went to school out here and his

father is ex-military.



When PJK asks if his father was in Army or AF, he replies:



RCD: Air Force, and he had something to do with Blue Book, too.



PJK: Tell me more about that.



RCD: Well, he was an investigator for Blue Book, he was at Holloman from 1962 to 1966, four years. He was involved in the Lonnie Zamora

case {{1964 "UFO landing"" at Socorro}}. Edward Doty, if you've ever seen any documents you'll see his name on it.



PJK: Is he still alive?



RCD: Yes, he's still alive. But he doesn't talk about it. The ironic thing, we were at Holloman, living, in 1964 and if anyone would have known

about the landing of that spacecraft, my Dad would have, and he says baloney, nothing like that ever happened.



PJK: Again invited him to send me the telephone bill and I would pay for it.



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PJK Characterization based on this telecon:





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--- In ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com, dee777@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/4/2004 4:04:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> dexxxaa@e... writes:



I'd like to add something I think hasn't been talked about or mentioned concerning the girl abducted by the Dulce group. While

her brief stay in their underground laboratory and witnessing those large vats of blue swirl with human parts floating about, she also told

Paul Bennewitz and Maj. Edwards, upon her return, the alien in charge pointed out to her a vat that contained an intact body form of a

different type of alien, probably belonging to another ET group, had said to her this one was a personal enemy of his. Paul was repulsed

by the ghoulishness of these aliens and wanted to rid the world of them. Paul's experiences with these aliens haven't surfaced

completely in the public domain. I haven't told everything I know about Paul sorry to say, But his is a remarkable story. I'm sorry

that because of his eventual breakdown and of his recent passing, excluding those who personally knew him, most researchers are now

more inclined to think he was crazy all along. Discrediting an impressive individual who's exposure of the violating groups kicked

off awareness of the siege mind set of these off world intelligence.

Dex



- HAWK: Ernie Kellerstraus, security-cleared for UFO information, worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the 1970's, and is reported to

have lived with a Star Visitor for a while; reported to have worked with Dale Graff (*HARRIER*?) and Captain Bob Collins (CONDOR), Air

Force Intelligence, to supply UFO information to USAF/AFOSI disinformation operative/ UFOlogist William Moore.



- (Bird name unknown, [PARTRIDGE?]): Jacques Vallee, Ph.D., formerly an astrophysicist with GEPAN, the French Goverrnment's UFO

investigative agency, later moved to U.S. as principal investigator with Defense Department computer network projects; worked with famed

astronomer Dr. J. Allen Hynek who left and denounced the military's Project Blue Book as a disinformational smokescreen; prolific author

on UFO subject, lately turning to metaphysical explanations for the phenomenon.



- SEAGULL: Bruce Maccabee, Ph.D., research scientist in optical physics and laser weapons applications at the U.S. Naval Surface Weapons Lab, MD; MUFON physics/photo-interpretive consultant, and prolific author and consultant expert on selected leaked or disinformational UFO cases/topics, such as the Gulf Breeze-Ed Walters alleged UFO photos, the Canadian Carp UFO hoaxed incident , and the documented repeat UFO landings at the hyper-secure Manzano Canyon Facility at Kirtland AFB/Sandia National Laboratories-Military Reservation.



- CHICKADEE: Cmdr. C.B. Scott Jones, Ph.D., USN (Ret.), former officer with the Office of Naval Intelligence and other Agencies; with 30 years service in U.S. Intelligence overseas; involved in government research and development projects for the Defense Nuclear Agency (DNA), Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) and other organizations; former Senate aide to Sen. Claiborne Pell, who has had a long-standing interest in UFOs and the paranormal, *and has tried to get Congressional Hearings held on UFOs; President, Human Potential Foundation; and point-man for Laurence Rockefeller on UFO matters, currently tasked to contact world leaders concerning upcoming public announcements of UFO/ET reality; recently convened the May, 1995 Washington, D.C. When Cosmic Cultures Meet International Conference .



- CONDOR: Capt. Bob Collins, USAF (Ret.), Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, engaged in UFO-related intelligence operations; reportedly appeared clandestinely on 1988 Kodak-produced network television (dis-)information program UFO Cover-Up Live , where Collins, *reportedly* along with former CIA contract employee and current UFO-conferences disinformation lecturer, John Lear, presented accounts of alien autopsies, UFO retrievals, and the government's awareness about UFOs and ET presence.



- FALCON: Sgt. Richard Dick Doty, USAF (Ret.), Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, reported to have engaged in UFO disinformation projects, including reportedly hoaxing TV producer Linda Moulton Howe concerning availability of a tape showing a UFO landing at Holloman Air Force Base, NM; and of allegedly waging psychological warfare on Albuquerque defense electronics contractor Paul Bennewitz, concerning Bennewitz's electronic monitoring of UFO activity around Kirtland AFB/Sandia National Laboratories, Albuquerque, reportedly causing/exacerbating a mental breakdown in Mr. Bennewitz. Reportedly, FALCON claims to have seen the Roswell Alien Autopsy film (shown worldwide August 28, 1995) some time ago at Los Alamos National Laboratory.

- (bird-name unknown [SPARROW(?)]: William Moore, USAF (Ret.), Special Agent, Air Force Office of Special Investigations; prolific UFO author ; reportedly publicly admitted at a MUFON Conference to being an Air Force Intelligence operative involved in UFO-related disinformation projects.



AVIARY AFFILIATES AUXILIARY:



Besides the main members of The Aviary, ancillary helpers *reportedly* exist who are more or less witting of the purposes and membership of The Aviary, and choose to participate in a variety of supporting roles.



- (Bird name unknown [HERON?]) Dale Graff, UFO-related technology specialist reported by Dan Smith (cf. infra) to be head of the military UFO Working Group at Los Alamos National Laboratory; rumored to be involved in psychotronic and ESP programs at Los Alamos; formerly was contracts overseer for the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base; then was chief of the DIA's Defense Technology/Special Programs department, before reportedly being fired by the DIA. Currently Graff is reported to be in contact with the human designate who communicates with an extraterrestrial residing near Washington, DC in a subterranean facility (Andrews AFB/Naval Reservation?).



- (bird-name unknown [NIGHTINGALE(?)]): Jack Verona, shadowy liaison between Capitol Hill and Los Alamos National Laboratory, before

having recently disappeared ; reportedly Dale Graff's supervisor: formerly involved in Project Sleeping Beauty, which researched ways to disable enemy target personnel using directed precise-frequency radiated electromagnetic-energy fields. (According to Dan Smith, NIGHTINGALE is not Jack Verona, but rather may be George Wingfield, a British UFO researcher, who has established a reputation as a careful reporter of crop circle

formations and UFO information. NIGHTINGALE is not British UFOlogist Anthony Dodd, who has revealed the disappearance in 1993 of a U.S. carrier destroyer during NATO sea exercises, during which a number of member countries' ships patrolled to find reported huge carrier-sized Unidentified Submerged Objects (USOs), which raced underwater at astounding speeds. Arguing against Mr. Dodd being NIGHTINGALE is the fact that after Dodd disclosed the U.S. destroyer's disappearance at a Nevada UFO Congress in December, 1994, he was beat up outside the conference hall by two enforcer goons and told to shut his mouth up.)



- (Bird name unknown, [BUZZARD?]): Gordon Novell, reportedly a free-lance enforcer involved in Zero Point Energy programs, and tied to

Bob Bigelow, a shadowy Las Vegas casinos operator, who reportedly is investigating alleged ET energy technology and titanium aluminide

mettalurgy for their investment potential. Bigelow has created a National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) to direct a group of UFO technology-insider scientists. He has also reportedly acquired land south of Fort Duschene, Utah to operate a cattle ranch and study alleged cattle mutilations clustered there.



(Bird name unknown, [WOODPECKER?]: Jaime Shandera, a small-time Hollywood film producer, who reportedly is associated with William

Moore. Shandera alleged that he had mysteriously received film containing the MJ-12 documents at his door one day from source(s) unknown. (Moore is considered by some to be the author of the MJ-12 disinformation papers.) Shandera was featured on the 1989 Kodak Television UFO documentary, UFO Cover-Up Live . Shandera is reported to be, along with Scott Jones and Dan Smith, one of the theologically-oriented and pro-UFO-disclosure progressives among the Aviary.



- CHICKEN LITTLE: Dan Smith, civilian UFO researcher/volunteer interlocutor between source(s) within the Central Intelligence Agency, the Congressional Intelligence Committees and the civilian UFO researchers. Smith continually exchanges information with and networks the key UFO researchers, serves as their interlocutor, and shares their and his own findings with his source(s) at CIA and Capitol Hill.



- Undoubtedly, other assets and low-profile intermediaries of The Aviary are operating in the UFO-interest and general public communities, as its surrogate ears and mouthpieces. Whatever the Aviary's role, we the public have a right to full information about extraterrestrial contact and communications. In a democracy, no elite group has the right to bottle up for itself information that affects the lives and futures of us all.

(c) 1995, (1996 revision) Richard J. Boylan, Ph.D.



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Did Paul Bennewitz know the Truth

or did he believe a Lie?

Paul Bennewitz is probably more responsible than anyone else for bringing the enigmatic Dulce Base controversy to public attention. Whether the scenario taking place at Dulce involves extraterrestrial craft, abductions, and aliens or a more down-to-earth scenario involving antigravity technology, mind control, and genetic experimentation by a fascist military-industrial fraternity [or a combination of the two!?], the fact is that -- as many believe -- there IS SOMETHING going on there, and Paul Bennewitz was caught right in the middle of it. Bennewitz accuses William Moore and Richard Doty of stealing vital evidence from his home during uninvited visits with him. Moore himself "admitted" feeding Bennewitz with "disinformation" and that's where all of Bennewitz's wild claims originated. However SINCE WHEN DO DISINFORMATION AGENTS EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS DECIEVERS!? Was there a specific reason for doing so? Many have become convinced that because of Moore's "admittance" that he/they created the entire story of an underground facility beneath Dulce, the base must NOT exist. But if such a base DID exist then this would be the IDEAL move for the intelligence community to make in order to keep the secret under wraps, i.e. "...since Moore and Doty admitted to making up the whole story and fed this 'disinformation' to Bennewitz, then the Dulce base must NOT exist!" Are we looking at some kind of reverse psychology disinformation at work here!? Moore's claims might hold water IF not for the fact that much of Bennewitz's information could NOT have originated from Moore, et al... and if not for the fact that literally DOZENS of other independent sources [see link above] have ALSO confirmed that something strange IS taking place near this small town in northwestern New Mexico...

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THE END OF THE WORLD

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