[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]Shadow Pro wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

What’s the typical cycle (compounds, dosages etc) for an Olympian?[/quote]

There’s no magic formula that will fit everyone even from show to show you can’t always rely on the same formula to do the trick, it all depends how your body is responding at any given time… This is why investing in a coach is very important unless you are able to be objective on how you look (none of us really are, right?)

I would say the most important compounds to utilize when preparing for a show are…

Tren-A 75-200mg ED (depends on tolerance, years of training, history of usage etc.

Mast-P 400-800mg/week

Test-P 600-2000/week

Test-C or E can be kept in all the way until about 2-3 weeks out depending on the athletes genetic disposition for water retention

GH (4-36iu/day) (depends on sensitivity, level of training, tolerance and most of all budget… I believe most people are taking as much as they can afford)

Orals:

Winstrol 50-100mg/day

Halotestin 20-60mg/day

Anavar up to 100mg/day

Primo up to 100mg/day

Anti-Estrogens:(most popular choices)

Proviron 50-100mg/day

Nolvadex 20-60mg/day

Arimidex 1-4mg/day

FatBurners:(most popular choices)

T3 25-100mcg/day

Clen 0.2-2.0mcg/day

*Dosages are changing throughout the prep (16-20weeks)

**Not all of these are used @ the same time, it’s depending on the point of the prep.

**These dosages are not recommended for beginners by any means. Unless training/diet have been on target for years and years these kind of dosages are just silly and dangerous to do without building them up accordingly over the years.

My best recommendation is to start with very low dosages and get the best benefit you can from these when your body is still sensitive. ONLY when you have hit a plateau you should slowly increase dosages. Taking high dosages isn’t fun… So enjoy saving your money and getting great benefits from a low dose while you can.

This is very general(I would give you something more specific if it existed) but most pros are using these combos… it’s very hard to keep with some of the genetics freaks so we do what we need to do and everyone’s body responds differently. I have also experimented with peptides but I think it’s better to put your money towards quality GH, gear and supplements. Peptides are hit and miss… You can always count on the basics.

Maybe you’re wondering why I’m posting on here and not MD or elsewhere. Throughout my career I have used supplements from here for years and the quality is better than anything else you’ll find. Most sponsored athletes are paid to give you a load of BS about their supplement companies(as if m-tech built Phil Heath, HA!) For example, the Plazma and Humalog is dream combo.

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interesting stuff, thanks for the reply. I wasn’t asking because I have any interest in running that heavy a cycle, just curious as to what the big dudes run. I’m happy with my moderate dose, two injectables plus the occasional oral.

36iu of GH a day would bankrupt me!

What was your cycle when you competed at the Olympia?

Also, in your opinion, are there any pro’s running “small” doses? Every now and then you’ll hear claims from a pro that they use small amounts of gear (Dorian has said in the past his off-season stack was only 750mg test, 500mg deca; Lee Priest claims he just uses moderate doses of primo) relative to what most are using. Have you ever seen any evidence of that or does it tend to be grams upon grams of oil in every case?[/quote]

My first Olympia I was broke as fuck(like most pro bodybuilders are at one point or another) so I ran the low end of all the numbers I gave you(75mg of prop, tren, mast & 40mg of halo everyday) and did only 4iu of GH for the last 12 weeks of the prep because it’s all I could get. I trained like a maniac and kept everything else perfect.

Absolutely, there are lots of guys running moderate dosages… I have only ever ran mid ranges in all of my drugs. I think it depends a lot on the coaches advice as well and how the body is reacting. I worked with Chris Aceto before and he doesn’t push shit tons of drugs on his guys. You will find that guys are running cycles all over the board, from very little amounts up to 3 grams a week.

You are probably all wondering, just as I was. Where the F are they injecting all of this? Some guys have it made at a higher dose so less oil is needed in every injection and others are spot injecting everywhere! Someone once told me they did injections in their calves? (Ouch?)

Everybody wants to be a freak so the limits are being pushed to the extreme! The dream to be Mr.Olympia seems to override the health risk so there will always be THAT guy taking insane amounts and always genetic freaks who can get away with the bare minimum. It’s just the game we play!