In late April, production on the next James Bond film launched with a video from the set in Jamaica and it was hoped the film’s title would be revealed as part of the presentation.

However the event came and went with no reveal, only that the project was going by the name “Bond 25” as it kicked off filming. On the surface, it appears as if a final title hasn’t been decided on yet.

That’s not the case according to fan site MI6 which reports that the film did have a title prior to the launch day, and it wasn’t “Eclipse” or “Shatterhand” as previously rumored.

The site says during a discussion between the producers and studio partners the night before the live stream, the project’s then tentative title “A Reason To Die” was considered weak and ‘not Bond enough’ and so the reveal was pulled from the event.

In fact, it was so far along that a title treatment had been created to show during the event, but then said treatment got ditched. What replacement title they can come up with remains to be seen.

The title talk comes as actor Idris Elba, a man whose name has popped up arguably the most frequently as a potential candidate for the next James Bond, says he’s interested in the role but not in the drama that comes with it ranging from the standard backlash to any new 007 actor, to the politics that comes with playing the first non-white Bond. Speaking to Vanity Fair this week, he says:

“James Bond is a hugely coveted, iconic, beloved character, that takes audiences on this massive escapism journey. Of course, if someone said to me ‘Do you want to play James Bond?’ I’d be like, ‘Yeah!’ That’s fascinating to me. But it’s not something I’ve expressed, like, ‘Yeah, I wanna be the black James Bond’. You just get disheartened when you get people from a generational point of view going, ‘It can’t be’ and it really turns out to be the color of my skin. And then if I get it and it didn’t work, or it did work, would it be because of the color of my skin? That’s a difficult position to put myself into when I don’t need to.”

The new Bond film, whatever it’s called, is slated to open April 2020 with a new Bond likely to be selected sometime in 2021 or 2022.