Australian agricultural exporters are hopeful talks with Indonesia will deliver a more consistent and open trading relationship between the two countries.

They are not holding their breath for a swift resolution, but there is still optimism that the two nations can meet an "ambitious but achievable" timeline for a broad trade agreement, as laid out by the Australian Government.

Trade Minister Steve Ciobo visits Jakarta this week to meet with Indonesia's new trade minister Enggartiasto Lukita.

Despite its size and proximity, Indonesia is only Australia's 11th largest export market.

It remains a vital, if sometimes unpredictable, destination for Australian beef and wheat, but has been a volatile market for horticultural exporters in particular.

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Recently imposed quotas have made it all but impossible for citrus producers to send fruit into Indonesia, a market which the Australian industry believes is prepared to pay a premium for their quality produce.

Mr Ciobo told ABC's AM program that he remained "very optimistic that Indonesia recognises the multitude of benefits that flow from free and liberalised trade," and that a deal could be done.

Citrus Australia chairwoman Tania Chapman is also hopeful, but is not expecting rapid progress while two relatively new ministers get to know each other.

There has been some speculation within the Australian trade establishment that Minister Lukita may be less enthusiastic about trade liberalisation than his predecessor. Australian agricultural industries say they will wait and see.

"I'm not overly optimistic that we'll get any sort of outcome in the next couple of months, [but] it is a step forward," Ms Chapman said.

"We have a new trade minister here, they have a new trade minister over there, so just maybe these two new people might want to [find] their own way and come out with an outcome.

In what has become a common refrain for Australian agricultural industries through the negotiation of recent trade deals, Ms Chapman has called for the government to tackle non-tariff barriers as part of their negotiations.

"We really need to assist the government in ensuring they have all the knowledge they need as they go into these negotiations.

"For too long, whenever there's been negotiations, industry has been locked out of the room.

"I think it's really time that the government started to have a much closer working relationship with industry before they go into those trade negotiation, so that they know what it is we need to increase trade.

"They need to know what won't work: don't go and do trade offs that will actually be detrimental to trade. Don't agree to protocols that we can never meet and therefore trade will never increase."

Non-tariff barriers, including an unpredictable quota system and restrictions on certain types of product, are an issue for the Australian beef industry too.

Chief executive Troy Setter from Consolidated Pastoral, one of the nation's largest agribusinesses, said industry and government level talks to address those concerns were already well advanced.

"We'd like to see expanding two-way trade with Indonesia.

"There's plenty of products that we could import into Australia such as protein meals that would be really helpful for our beef industry, so it's not just about sending more cattle and more boxed beef to Indonesia," he said.

"Success for us would look like not just tariff reductions, but also a more transparent process around permits so that our industry in Australia and the industry in Indonesia can plan together well, to make sure that we are cost-effectively delivering possible beef, both live and boxed, to Indonesia."

Mr Setter said Minister Ciobo's 12-18 month timeline was an "ambitious but achievable" target for a broad trade deal.

"But the beef industry is hoping for some specific improvements sooner than that.

"I would hope the commitments that have been made by the Indonesian government around annual permits for cattle and freeing up of the market to secondary and alternative cuts of boxed beef, are completed this year," he said.