Debian Bug report logs - #743128

network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd)

Reported by: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:27:02 UTC Severity: grave Merged with 743159 Found in version network-manager/0.9.8.8-4 Fixed in version network-manager/0.9.8.8-5 Done: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:27:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit@bugs.debian.org> Subject: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 20:24:36 +0200

Package: network-manager Version: 0.9.8.8-4 Severity: grave Justification: renders package unusable Dear Maintainer, the current unstable version of NM does not work: The NM frontend does not show any connections (even though NM prints to syslog that they were loaded from /etc/NetworkManager). It's also not possible to add a new connection, so I had do downgrade to an elder version to get any connecitivty. The issue is also appearant with nmcli: Usually, "nmcli c" lists the wireless networks I stored, but with the current version it says $ nmcli c ** (process:3523): WARNING **: Could not create object for /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Settings/2: No session found for uid 1000 (unknown) ** (process:3523): WARNING **: handle_property_changed: failed to update property 'available-connections' of object type NMDeviceWifi. NAME UUID TYPE TIMESTAMP-REAL And nothing more. Note that I do not have systemd installed, as I am still using sysvinit. I am very willing to migrate to systemd, but last time I tried there still were some issues severe enough that I went back to sysvinit. In any case, as NM just Recommends: systemd, it should still be functional without using systemd. Kind regards Ralf -- System Information: Debian Release: jessie/sid APT prefers testing APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (100, 'unstable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) Foreign Architectures: i386 Kernel: Linux 3.13-1-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores) Locale: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_GB.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:39:11 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:34:04 +0200

Am 30.03.2014 20:24, schrieb Ralf Jung: > In any case, as NM just Recommends: systemd, it should still be > functional without using systemd. You are right. I will switch that to Depends: systemd-sysv. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:45:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:40:41 +0200

Hi, >> In any case, as NM just Recommends: systemd, it should still be >> functional without using systemd. > > You are right. I will switch that to Depends: systemd-sysv. I can by now confirm that my issues are systemd-related: When booting my machine with systemd, everything behaves as expected. However, interesting enough, just *installing* systemd (without using it) already improves the situation a lot: "nmcli c" works as expected, and the KDE plasma-nm applet shows the available and stored connections. However, for some reason, automatically connecting to a network does not work in this mode. After startup, I have to click "Connect" in the applet to initiate a wireless connection. And after resume, I have to click "Disconnect" and then "Connect" again for NM to re-establish my wireless connection. So it may well be that with some small fixes (though I have no clue what's causing this), a "Depends: systemd" suffices. Kind regards Ralf

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From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:43:13 +0200

Am 31.03.2014 11:40, schrieb Ralf Jung: > Hi, > >>> In any case, as NM just Recommends: systemd, it should still be >>> functional without using systemd. >> >> You are right. I will switch that to Depends: systemd-sysv. > > I can by now confirm that my issues are systemd-related: When booting my > machine with systemd, everything behaves as expected. > > However, interesting enough, just *installing* systemd (without using > it) already improves the situation a lot: "nmcli c" works as expected, > and the KDE plasma-nm applet shows the available and stored connections. > However, for some reason, automatically connecting to a network does not > work in this mode. After startup, I have to click "Connect" in the > applet to initiate a wireless connection. And after resume, I have to > click "Disconnect" and then "Connect" again for NM to re-establish my > wireless connection. > So it may well be that with some small fixes (though I have no clue > what's causing this), a "Depends: systemd" suffices. We do have some patches which make systemd-logind work standalone, i.e. withouth PID 1 = systemd. systemd-logind is a replacement for ConsoleKit and used for session and user tracking. However, with systemd 208 and later those patches no longer work. So you'll need systemd to be PID 1. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:48:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 11:46:16 +0200

Hi, > We do have some patches which make systemd-logind work standalone, i.e. > withouth PID 1 = systemd. systemd-logind is a replacement for ConsoleKit > and used for session and user tracking. > > However, with systemd 208 and later those patches no longer work. So > you'll need systemd to be PID 1. I see, thanks for the explanation. I was aware that such patches exist, but I was not aware that they just magically make logind work. Kind regards Ralf

Merged 743128 743159 Request was from Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Tue, 01 Apr 2014 12:06:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: 743128-close@bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug#743128: fixed in network-manager 0.9.8.8-5 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 21:21:16 +0000

Source: network-manager Source-Version: 0.9.8.8-5 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of network-manager, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive. A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is attached. Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you have further comments please address them to 743128@bugs.debian.org, and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate. Debian distribution maintenance software pp. Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> (supplier of updated network-manager package) (This message was generated automatically at their request; if you believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 22:58:16 +0200 Source: network-manager Binary: network-manager network-manager-dev libnm-glib4 libnm-glib-dev libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib-vpn-dev libnm-util2 libnm-util-dev network-manager-dbg gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 Architecture: source amd64 Version: 0.9.8.8-5 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team <pkg-utopia-maintainers@lists.alioth.debian.org> Changed-By: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> Description: gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 - GObject introspection data for NetworkManager libnm-glib-dev - network management framework (GLib interface) libnm-glib-vpn-dev - network management framework (GLib interface) libnm-glib-vpn1 - network management framework (GLib VPN shared library) libnm-glib4 - network management framework (GLib shared library) libnm-util-dev - network management framework (development files) libnm-util2 - network management framework (shared library) network-manager - network management framework (daemon and userspace tools) network-manager-dbg - network management framework (debugging symbols) network-manager-dev - network management framework (development files) Closes: 730437 743128 Changes: network-manager (0.9.8.8-5) unstable; urgency=medium . * Bump debhelper compatibility level to 9. * Convert to multi-arch. Mark libnm-glib4, libnm-glib-vpn1 and libnm-util2 as M-A: same. As pppd has not been converted yet, keep installing the ppp plugin to /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.5/. * Rely on dh v9 to set flags from dpkg-buildflags. * Use autotools_dev dh addon for up-to-date config.{guess,sub}. * Add Depends on libpam-systemd since NetworkManager requires a properly setup logind session. (Closes: #743128) * Bump policykit-1 from Recommends to Depends. * Move the initial ifstate file check into nm_manager_start () to make sure the NMManager object has been fully initialized. 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Marked as found in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5; no longer marked as fixed in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5 and reopened. Request was from Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 05:54:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 06:51:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Evgeni Golov <evgeni@debian.org> To: Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#743128: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 08:49:28 +0200

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:40:41AM +0200, Ralf Jung wrote: > However, interesting enough, just *installing* systemd (without using > it) already improves the situation a lot: "nmcli c" works as expected, > and the KDE plasma-nm applet shows the available and stored connections. > However, for some reason, automatically connecting to a network does not > work in this mode. After startup, I have to click "Connect" in the > applet to initiate a wireless connection. And after resume, I have to > click "Disconnect" and then "Connect" again for NM to re-establish my > wireless connection. To make things more interesting... :) I am running LightDM with Xfce, systemd is installed, but currently not used. systemd-logind is running (204-7, as my machine was not rebooted for a while). NM 0.9.8.8-5 works just fine as long I am logged in. When I put my machine to sleep (s2ram) or just lock it for an extended period of time, NM will tell me that my networking is completely disabled, service network-manager restart fixes this, and I can connect to WiFi, 3G and Ethernet just fine. Is this the said magic in systemd 204, which is gone in 208? Greets Evgeni, who likes systemd but would prefer NM not depending on it being PID 1

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From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: Evgeni Golov <evgeni@debian.org>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:47:18 +0200

Am 03.04.2014 08:49, schrieb Evgeni Golov: > NM 0.9.8.8-5 works just fine as long I am logged in. When I put my > machine to sleep (s2ram) or just lock it for an extended period of time, > NM will tell me that my networking is completely disabled, service https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743206 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Processed: found 743128 in 0.9.8.8-5 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 13:51:44 +0200

Am 03.04.2014 07:54, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: > Processing commands for control@bugs.debian.org: > >> # libpam-systemd was already installed and the bug still occurs >> found 743128 0.9.8.8-5 > Bug #743128 {Done: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>} [network-manager] network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) > Bug #743159 {Done: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org>} [network-manager] network-manager: only root user can start connections in network-manager 0.9.8. > Marked as found in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5; no longer marked as fixed in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5 and reopened. > Marked as found in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5; no longer marked as fixed in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5 and reopened. >> thanks > Stopping processing here. > Care to explain why you re-opened this bug report? -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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From: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> To: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> Cc: 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Processed: found 743128 in 0.9.8.8-5 Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 07:42:12 -0700

On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 01:51:44PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 03.04.2014 07:54, schrieb Debian Bug Tracking System: > >> # libpam-systemd was already installed and the bug still occurs > >> found 743128 0.9.8.8-5 [...] > > Care to explain why you re-opened this bug report? Bug-number confusion, apparently. My intention was to indicate that I continued to experience the bug with 0.9.8.8-5, and that with 0.9.8.8-4 I had libpam-systemd installed and it does not help. However, it looks like I mistook 743128 for 743206. I sent a notfound to undo this. - Josh Triplett

No longer marked as found in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5. Request was from Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:45:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Marked as fixed in versions network-manager/0.9.8.8-5. Request was from Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:39:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Marked Bug as done Request was from Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:39:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Notification sent to Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> :

Bug acknowledged by developer. (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:39:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Message sent on to Ralf Jung <post@ralfj.de> :

Bug#743128. (Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:39:16 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Message #69 received at 743128-submitter@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: control@bugs.debian.org Cc: 743128-submitter@bugs.debian.org Subject: closing 743128 Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 17:37:13 +0200

close 743128 0.9.8.8-5 thanks Re-opened accidentally

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:24:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #74 received at 743128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: David Derby <reportbug@dderby.com> To: 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 12:19:49 -0500

Hi, Shouldn't network-manager be able work without systemd? systemd might be the default init system in Jessie but other init systems are still supported in Debian. I do not wish to switch to systemd but by upgrading network manager I am now being forced to install it. Kind regards, David

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:30:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #79 received at 743128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: David Derby <reportbug@dderby.com>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:27:03 +0200

Am 04.04.2014 19:19, schrieb David Derby: > Hi, > > Shouldn't network-manager be able work without systemd? systemd might > be the default init system in Jessie but other init systems are still > supported in Debian. I do not wish to switch to systemd but by > upgrading network manager I am now being forced to install it. If you want to help with that, please contribute to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686997 -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:33:08 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #84 received at 743128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> To: David Derby <reportbug@dderby.com>, 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [Pkg-utopia-maintainers] Bug#743128: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 19:30:14 +0200

Am 04.04.2014 19:27, schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 04.04.2014 19:19, schrieb David Derby: >> Hi, >> >> Shouldn't network-manager be able work without systemd? systemd might >> be the default init system in Jessie but other init systems are still >> supported in Debian. I do not wish to switch to systemd but by >> upgrading network manager I am now being forced to install it. > > If you want to help with that, please contribute to > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=686997 Fwiw, this also concern's other parts of the stack, like PolicyKit If you want to keep the non-logind / non-systemd paths working, we need someone willing to maintaing the old ConsoleKit code-paths and make all affected packages able to switch the backend on runtime. ConsoleKit, which is unmaintained, would need a maintainer as well. I simply don't have the ressources to do that. Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth?

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Wed, 09 Apr 2014 18:36:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #89 received at 743128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Philipp Marek <philipp.marek@linbit.com> To: 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: Had to revert, too Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 20:28:11 +0200

I had to revert network-manager to 0.9.8.0-5, too. Although systemd was installed, "nmcli c" showed no connections; "qdbus --literal --system org.freedesktop.NetworkManager /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/AccessPoint/N" did work, though. So it did detect my access point - but the KDE applet showed no saved connections (qdbus did), and on clicking on the "new" (ha!) wifi network and entering the password just nothing happened. systemd is installed - but not active.

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Bug#743128 ; Package network-manager . (Wed, 09 Apr 2014 21:57:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #94 received at 743128@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: David Derby <reportbug@dderby.com> To: 743128@bugs.debian.org Subject: network-manager: NM does not work (without systemd) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 16:53:49 -0500

I'm still on network-manager 0.9.8.8-4 and it has been working fine for me without systemd. "nmcli c" lists all of my connections but only if I run it as root otherwise I get the same WARNING as the one that the Ralf posted. I'm also using KDE and haven't had any problems with the NetworkManager applet (/usr/sbin/NetworkManager is of course running as root). As far as I can tell, the problem reported by Ralf in this bug reports actually relates to bug #743159: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=743159 Would you be able to remove the dependency on systemd and change it back to "Recommends"? Kind regards, David

Bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <owner@bugs.debian.org> to internal_control@bugs.debian.org . (Thu, 08 May 2014 07:28:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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