-CheekyDuck- Profile Joined August 2010 Australia 398 Posts Last Edited: 2013-03-01 05:25:24 #1 Edit:

Thank-you to everyone for all the information and support.

Mods, feel free to dump this thread in blogs, and thank-you for allowing this to stay open it did help a lot.



Because we we stressed for time (given brief a few weeks before inquest), and denied the case to be adjured so we could get legal representation (not enough time for a lawyer to review also they were already booked) Self representation was also denied because it was conflicting as we were also witnesses. not all information was given to us and what i heard during the inquest removed all doubt from my mind "his video statement on her twisted neck" anyway



people here that i have been in contact with, made it possible to fight the crown and the judge agreed that the death was unnatural and not a suicide. however sadly, he wasnt even made to take the stand as he has just "vanished" and the case was ruled "open"



there is not much more legally with this case that we can now pursue.



But i just wanted to say thank-you, links to the medical journals, documentation etc. made it very hard for the crown to ignore us and completely dismiss the obvious circumstances.



sorry for my grammar etc, it was difficult to write this update

Jessica





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There is a man (Not my dad) that killed my mother, he will most likely now get away with it because of the method he used and lack of funding for investigation.



I have two days to do my own research, to rebuttal the coroners findings.



I am reaching out in every avenue possible, i hope you can understand that, and not flush this in the blogs until the inquest begins.



I chose to ask for help here (also sending inquires to doctors and have done a lot of google and searching through past inquest cases)

because i know that this website forum gets a lot of views from all parts of the world.



For those that don't know me, in the past i have run small female tournaments, casted with my sister ipl4 with tasteless & artosis, player interviews, set artwork for blizzard events, song parody video graphics, made sc song parodys as well as fan art:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170235

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163578

and livi is now GM. so we hope you do see us as part of the community.



The Situation:



My Mother was found with prescription drugs that would cause you to become drowsy. (autopsy findings)

Bruising on the back of head and arm.

cut lip, torn skin on chin and black bruised nose and lips.

circle blood stain on the sofa/couch arm.



death by suffocation, by neck or blocked passage of air to the face.



phone records puts the man in the room, for close to 2 days. time of death not possible, but likely during the early night the day before anyone was contacted.



after her death he stole her car and emptied her bank accounts and was found laughing and drinking with his friends at the pub.

scum of a person, found out he has previous avo, due to assault of his ex wife and weeing on the bed of his son and baby son in cot.



My Questions that i need help with:



Is there anyone, i mean anyone in the world that knows of a case similar?

In theory, yes, sleeping on your stomach can cause suffocation, but has there been any confirmed cases of this in "ADULTS" my mother was 44. ?

how much noise would you make from this type of self suffocation as the corner claims?

if it indeed was like "baby bobbing" sids



i mean just sleeping face down on your stomach and self suffocation. No chocking of your tongue, vomit, fumes or no "overlay" pressure from another person or any obstructing objects.

its important that it is an adult death, as infants are recorded with this death because there neck is too weak.



I believe that my mother was drugged, and smothered by pressing her face "hard" into the couch arm by pressure on back of head and arm. I believe that the struggle is evident by her face abrasions and force was used rather than a peaceful passing evident by the condensed blood pattern.



however i am fighting the logic and concept on "sads" sudden adult death, however it is arrythmic death syndrome, sudden heart failure, but nothing was wrong with her heart and i can find no cases of someone previously dying by suffocation in this way that is an Adult.



Is she the first ADULT person in the WORLD to suffocate herself without physical material entering her mouth by sleeping on her stomach?



When she was younger, the image we used on her funeral cards.





happier times

our family togeather









Thank-you to anyone from the bottom of my heart if you are able to help.

Any information, links or resources is greatly appreciated.



mods: please allow 2 days, as you never know the depth of a knowledge pool until you ask.



Thank-you



Jessica & Family



*Edit: MOD



Please



there is a chance, that someone knows someone that knows if this has happened to them.

I am not asking for a fix, or money.



I am asking if anyone has information about this type of death

so i can present these possibilities to the crown.



I am not experienced enough or have enough time to find where this type of information is.



Edit: Sorry i am not asking for funding.

there is a lack of interest in the case. it has been investigated, what i am doing is reviewing the brief.

Each murder gets funding to research, depending on how important it is - the more money is given and more detectives/teams investigate. In our case, We did fight hard to get an investigation as it was originally ruled a suicide.

Currently we are going through an inquest, but findings are more possible of SADS (by suffocation not by heart)

instead of smothering, which is murder.



In Australia, if evidence can tilt more towards, not prove, but tilt, towards smothering we can send the case to DPP and we can finally have our day in court.

Edit:

Currently he cannot be charged as it needs to be first approved that there is sufficient case that a murder took place.



Edit:

they did know each other yes.

he was pulling a disability con

she was his career

he had her pin number, he was found guilty, but only fined.

.....

I just finished reading the brief again with a tooth comb with my sister, most of the summery from the crown had wrong dates and incorrect information, the report to the coroner was mostly incorrect as if they only skimmed through the brief.



UPDATE:

4.30pm

the ambulance workers found her on her back on the floor,

but lividity was on the right side of her body and inner left leg.

(autopsy: only right bum cheek and only left hand has a bruise)

lividity was on the left side of her face!

blood was on the arm on the left side,

testimony that lividty was set



midnight

Forensic attended the scene (the person has had this title for 12 months, only 1 person)

most of what they did was take photos

what they did find that lividity was on her back and could not be fixed, could be blanced.

front tooth pressed into bottom lip.



so for a natural death?

so when sleeping on her right side she twisted her head, she suffocated face down but at some point her face was moved/twisted more further into the couch? i don't believe you can naturally fall asleep in that position without assistance.



Thank-you to everyone for all the information and support.Mods, feel free to dump this thread in blogs, and thank-you for allowing this to stay open it did help a lot.Because we we stressed for time (given brief a few weeks before inquest), and denied the case to be adjured so we could get legal representation (not enough time for a lawyer to review also they were already booked) Self representation was also denied because it was conflicting as we were also witnesses. not all information was given to us and what i heard during the inquest removed all doubt from my mind "his video statement on her twisted neck" anywaypeople here that i have been in contact with, made it possible to fight the crown and the judge agreed that the death was unnatural and not a suicide. however sadly, he wasnt even made to take the stand as he has just "vanished" and the case was ruled "open"there is not much more legally with this case that we can now pursue.But i just wanted to say thank-you, links to the medical journals, documentation etc. made it very hard for the crown to ignore us and completely dismiss the obvious circumstances.sorry for my grammar etc, it was difficult to write this updateJessica...............There is a man (Not my dad) that killed my mother, he will most likely now get away with it because of the method he used and lack of funding for investigation.I have two days to do my own research, to rebuttal the coroners findings.I am reaching out in every avenue possible, i hope you can understand that, and not flush this in the blogs until the inquest begins.I chose to ask for help here (also sending inquires to doctors and have done a lot of google and searching through past inquest cases)because i know that this website forum gets a lot of views from all parts of the world.For those that don't know me, in the past i have run small female tournaments, casted with my sister ipl4 with tasteless & artosis, player interviews, set artwork for blizzard events, song parody video graphics, made sc song parodys as well as fan art:and livi is now GM. so we hope you do see us as part of the community.My Mother was found with prescription drugs that would cause you to become drowsy. (autopsy findings)Bruising on the back of head and arm.cut lip, torn skin on chin and black bruised nose and lips.circle blood stain on the sofa/couch arm.death by suffocation, by neck or blocked passage of air to the face.phone records puts the man in the room, for close to 2 days. time of death not possible, but likely during the early night the day before anyone was contacted.after her death he stole her car and emptied her bank accounts and was found laughing and drinking with his friends at the pub.scum of a person, found out he has previous avo, due to assault of his ex wife and weeing on the bed of his son and baby son in cot.Is there anyone, i mean anyone in the world that knows of a case similar?In theory, yes, sleeping on your stomach can cause suffocation, but has there been any confirmed cases of this in "ADULTS" my mother was 44. ?how much noise would you make from this type of self suffocation as the corner claims?if it indeed was like "baby bobbing" sidsi mean just sleeping face down on your stomach and self suffocation. No chocking of your tongue, vomit, fumes or no "overlay" pressure from another person or any obstructing objects.its important that it is an adult death, as infants are recorded with this death because there neck is too weak.I believe that my mother was drugged, and smothered by pressing her face "hard" into the couch arm by pressure on back of head and arm. I believe that the struggle is evident by her face abrasions and force was used rather than a peaceful passing evident by the condensed blood pattern.however i am fighting the logic and concept on "sads" sudden adult death, however it is arrythmic death syndrome, sudden heart failure, but nothing was wrong with her heart and i can find no cases of someone previously dying by suffocation in this way that is an Adult.When she was younger, the image we used on her funeral cards.happier timesour family togeatherThank-you to anyone from the bottom of my heart if you are able to help.Any information, links or resources is greatly appreciated.mods: please allow 2 days, as you never know the depth of a knowledge pool until you ask.Jessica & Family*Edit:there is a chance, that someone knows someone that knows if this has happened to them.I am not asking for a fix, or money.I am not experienced enough or have enough time to find where this type of information is.Edit: Sorry i am not asking for funding.there is a lack of interest in the case. it has been investigated, what i am doing is reviewing the brief.Each murder gets funding to research, depending on how important it is - the more money is given and more detectives/teams investigate. In our case, We did fight hard to get an investigation as it was originally ruled a suicide.Currently we are going through an inquest, but findings are more possible of SADS (by suffocation not by heart)instead of smothering, which is murder.Edit:Currently he cannot be charged as it needs to be first approved that there is sufficient case that a murder took place.they did know each other yes.he was pulling a disability conshe was his careerhe had her pin number, he was found guilty, but only fined......I just finished reading the brief again with a tooth comb with my sister, most of the summery from the crown had wrong dates and incorrect information, the report to the coroner was mostly incorrect as if they only skimmed through the brief.4.30pmthe ambulance workers found her on her back on the floor,but lividity was on the right side of her body and inner left leg.(autopsy: only right bum cheek and only left hand has a bruise)lividity was on the left side of her face!blood was on the arm on the left side,testimony that lividty was setmidnightForensic attended the scene (the person has had this title for 12 months, only 1 person)most of what they did was take photoswhat they did find that lividity was on her back and could not be fixed, could be blanced.front tooth pressed into bottom lip.so for a natural death?so when sleeping on her right side she twisted her head, she suffocated face down but at some point her face was moved/twisted more further into the couch? i don't believe you can naturally fall asleep in that position without assistance. It is worth noting that lividity begins to work through the deceased within thirty minutes of their heart stopping and can last up to twelve hours. Only up to the first six hours of death can lividity be altered by moving the body. After the six hour mark lividity is fixed as blood vessels begin to break down within the body.

With this information they cannot give me a time of death smaller that a 12 hour window?



I believe the reason my mother has not been investigated more than basic "new" possibly training staff and young crown investigators is that she was very poor. And the person in question is a low life. If my family were not demanding every step of the way, this would already be over and most likely ruled as a suicide (we were once told that it was, but we demanded a further investigation and that possibility is now taken off the table, but when we buried her we didn't know, just in case i asked the priest to try and give her extra forgiveness if she did kill herself). We live in a world on who is worth your time and who is not, but i think she is worth digging to the bottom for. With this information they cannot give me a time of death smaller that a 12 hour window?I believe the reason my mother has not been investigated more than basic "new" possibly training staff and young crown investigators is that she was very poor. And the person in question is a low life. If my family were not demanding every step of the way, this would already be over and most likely ruled as a suicide (we were once told that it was, but we demanded a further investigation and that possibility is now taken off the table, but when we buried her we didn't know, just in case i asked the priest to try and give her extra forgiveness if she did kill herself). We live in a world on who is worth your time and who is not, but i think she is worth digging to the bottom for. More expensive than a mothership