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Republican Congressman Will Hurd — oftentimes a thorn in his party’s side as he breaks on issues — told CNN that he more or less did not find the Vice President Mike Pence’s argument persuasive in a caucus meeting today.

“I’m sure he did to some,” the Texas lawmaker said adding, “I was just on the border. If something is a crisis, why are you not paying the people that are taking care of the crisis?”

Asked how he would vote on the individual spending bills that Pelosi plans to bring to the floor this week, Hurd demurred.

“We’re still evaluating. My opinion is very simple: we should not negotiate with shutdowns, shutdowns don’t help anybody," he said.