(cont) interplay between several forms of power, not just elite/plebeian or majority/minority, but also control over food supply (directly affected by biological ‘advantage’ to a specific task, like dragging a plow behind you day in day out), religious beliefs and a shitload of other factors that make up a kyriarchy. Also: I don’t think your feminism is fighting for the things you say they are, when you and others try to blame the patriarchy for ‘brainwashing’ me, simply because I disagree. sexism doesn’t have to be oppressive on an institutional level for it to be sexism. It is simply prejudice/discrimination based on gender. When we say something is sexist, we are saying it embodies discriminatory/prejudicial ideas against a gender, which means, sexism is an ideology. Ideologies do not have to be institutionalized (ie. oppressive institutionally +/or creating a privilege/disprivileged imbalance), so yes, individual cases of sexism are still, wait for it, sexist. (cont), which means, even if male privilege is totally a thing, that exists and affects the US in terms of gender hierarchies, individual cases of sexism against men (and even institutional ones against men- but again massive rant that I don’t have time for) are still sexist, because they embody the ideology that sexism perpetuates. Am I making sense? Last, last one of these: Capn, you said that feminism is fighting against patriarchal bullshit that hurts everyone, but when people mention individual/institutional cases of the patriarchy working against men, you say “well that’s other men doing it”. I’m not seeing where that response is in anyway acknowledging that A) gender roles suck balls B) IT’S STILL A PROBLEM AND NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH, NO MATTER WHO IS PERPETUATING IT C) that women also perpetuate it.

No, I didn’t. What I literally do not care about is your dictionary definitions. I don’t know how many times I, or the other mods, need to repeat ourselves: dictionary definitions do not mean shit. Dictionaries are created to house the most neutral connotations they can provide. By saying that men experience the oppressive nature of sexism, you are implying that women and men are on the same level in terms of oppression; which they are not. I really do not understand how people you like don’t understand the power dynamics involved. Most civilizations in the world run on a patriarchal system wherein women always come second. I believe in an intersectional part of feminism where several things factor into feminism. Yes, there was an elite group of people (see: older, white, wealthy men) who established the system. I’m not ignoring this, as you claim to say- I’m arguing that this was still created by men and is used to oppress others; namely women. As a white woman, there are a lot of things I’m afforded that men of color aren’t. But there’s a lot of things men of color have which women of color do not because- ours is a system built to benefit men in general.

When men experience discrimination based on their sex, it’s still a part of the patriarchy, but the things that happen to men are done by other men and are done in a response to gender roles which downplay what most women can do. It really sucks for men to have these things happen to them, but they are not oppressed so they do not experience sexism. Women do perpetuate these things because women are still being taught that they fit into these gender roles men have assigned for them. Everyone here does talk agree that the patriarchy does negatively affect men, but we don’t focus on it because this isn’t a space to talk about the handful of things that suck for them. Besides, most men don’t even care about this shit until it comes back to bite them. They are happy to oppress women for their expense. And once again- feminism is about dismantling the patriarchy, and once that happens- that same patriarchy which hurts men will be gone. Amazing!

So there you have your answer. I am so sick of answering these same fucking questions over and over again, so this is the last time.