neoghaleon55 Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 7430 Posts Last Edited: 2013-10-10 03:59:40 #1



Hi TL-forum goers,



I've been brewing on this idea for quite a while this week and would like to share with you a new concept of small affordable fan-run tournaments. As a long time fan of Starcraft and its players, I would like to see more initiatives by fans to improve the scene. It's quite easy to whine and bitch about how Starcraft is dying, but what have any of us done lately to empower our community? Thus this idea was born:



Minature/Buy-In Tournaments (MBIT for short)



Buy in tournaments are not uncommon in the competitive arena such as poker and fighting games. The buy-in pays for the prize pool, the advertisements pay for the revenue.





Format: Minature



4 players

Group Stage Duo Tournament (Think GSL Ro32 or Ro16)---->Finals

Group Stage Bo5, Finals Bo7.



Prize Pool: $500.00, winner takes all.



Funding:

The organizer (which can be anyone) puts in $100.00 first to start the tournament. That person owns the right to any streaming ad revenue made by the tournament.



Buy-in: $100.00 per spot for each player.

My idea is that fans will pay for each player.

More popular players will have more fans, thus easier to pay for 100$ if everyone chips in.



Benefits of MBIT are:



+It's affordable, realistically if 20 fans pay 5 dollars each, they can buy in a spot for their favorite player. Organizers won't have to bleed money to get one going and at 100$ price, it's likely profitable if you get enough viewers or enough popular players.



+It offers more exposure to players and chances to hone skills. Fans will get to watch their favorite players more often. It's so easy to start one that if this idea takes off, we can see a few of these MBIT tournaments per month, maybe one in each region. This can be a motivational force for players.



+Custom Fan Favorite MatchUP! What if DRG vs MMA vs MKP vs MC happens? :O

What if Scarlett vs Suppy vs Polt vs Huk happens?!



+Shorter Tournaments are good!! Personally I think that we have too many super giant bracket tournaments. Too often a player would have to go pretty deep to see any money/fame. But with MBIT, your chance of winning is a sweet 1/4, so winning an event is so tantalizingly within reach!



Cons:



-It's possible we have con-artist organizers who would just steal fan's money. Whoever organizes an MBIT should be vetted for reliability. Generally, you can trust dedicated long time/well established members of teamliquid or reddit. But there's always a risk of where your money is going.





I might plan to hold one of these first after BlizzCon 2013 as a proof of concept.

What do you guys think? All Hi TL-forum goers,I've been brewing on this idea for quite a while this week and would like to share with you a new concept of small affordable fan-run tournaments. As a long time fan of Starcraft and its players, I would like to see more initiatives by fans to improve the scene. It's quite easy to whine and bitch about how Starcraft is dying, but what have any of us done lately to empower our community? Thus this idea was born:Buy in tournaments are not uncommon in the competitive arena such as poker and fighting games. The buy-in pays for the prize pool, the advertisements pay for the revenue.4 playersGroup Stage Duo Tournament (Think GSL Ro32 or Ro16)---->FinalsGroup Stage Bo5, Finals Bo7., winner takes all.The organizer (which can be anyone) puts in $100.00 first to start the tournament. That person owns the right to any streaming ad revenue made by the tournament.My idea is that fans will pay for each player.More popular players will have more fans, thus easier to pay for 100$ if everyone chips in.+It's affordable, realistically if 20 fans pay 5 dollars each, they can buy in a spot for their favorite player. Organizers won't have to bleed money to get one going and at 100$ price, it's likely profitable if you get enough viewers or enough popular players.+It offers more exposure to players and chances to hone skills. Fans will get to watch their favorite players more often. It's so easy to start one that if this idea takes off, we can see a few of these MBIT tournaments per month, maybe one in each region. This can be a motivational force for players.+Custom Fan Favorite MatchUP! What if DRG vs MMA vs MKP vs MC happens? :OWhat if Scarlett vs Suppy vs Polt vs Huk happens?!+Shorter Tournaments are good!! Personally I think that we have too many super giant bracket tournaments. Too often a player would have to go pretty deep to see any money/fame. But with MBIT, your chance of winning is a sweet 1/4, so winning an event is so tantalizingly within reach!Cons:-It's possible we have con-artist organizers who would just steal fan's money. Whoever organizes an MBIT should be vetted for reliability. Generally, you can trust dedicated long time/well established members of teamliquid or reddit. But there's always a risk of where your money is going.I might plan to hold one of these first after BlizzCon 2013 as a proof of concept.What do you guys think? All feedbacks welcome.







Notable Suggestions:



welcome.Notable Suggestions: On October 10 2013 12:57 lichter wrote:

It should be a pledge for money until the players are finalized, imo

Because the organizer will likely get donations for a variety of players, and some won't make the cut.



So it will be like:



Fans pledge $

Thread is updated

4 players get to $100 first, player list finalized

Fans who pledged for those players must pay within X amount of time

Games!



Of course there is still the problem of some fans not paying up.

moo...for DRG

Firestorm Profile Blog Joined January 2013 Canada 341 Posts #2 You would have to guarantee the match ups first before people put their money in. "Revenge is sweet... Revenge is a dish best served cold... Revenge is... Ice Cream!"

dWarreN Profile Joined May 2013 116 Posts #3 Hmm.. Profitable? This SOUNDS good, and I can't think of anything negative right off the bat, but I'm sure someone can. Would love to see this though!

mishimaBeef Profile Blog Joined January 2010 Canada 2256 Posts #4 interesting Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Dodgin Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 38851 Posts #5 I'd pitch in for a few select players, but wouldn't it be difficult to contact most Korean players to get their interest in this? The most popular ones especially.

lichter Profile Blog Joined September 2010 1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL 22233 Posts #6 Do large enough fan sponsors get anything?



If you can get Mvp to say "lichter is awesome" instead of glhf that's $100 from me. Administrator YOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS

neoghaleon55 Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 7430 Posts #7 On October 10 2013 12:14 lichter wrote:

Do large enough fan sponsors get anything?



If you can get Mvp to say "lichter is awesome" instead of glhf that's $100 from me.



That depends on the player you sponsor.

I'm sure most starcraft players are cool enough to give their sponsor a shoutout during the live broadcast. That depends on the player you sponsor.I'm sure most starcraft players are cool enough to give their sponsor a shoutout during the live broadcast. moo...for DRG

Holdenintherye Profile Joined December 2012 Canada 1437 Posts #8 If it meant we get to see the fan favourites like nestea/mvp/drg/polt/etc I'd definitely be interested in putting up some money

mishimaBeef Profile Blog Joined January 2010 Canada 2256 Posts #9



I would like to ro4 code s go at it again this reminds me of IPL Fight Club but more of a party feel instead of a 1v1 showdown.I would like to ro4 code s go at it again Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

lichter Profile Blog Joined September 2010 1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL 22233 Posts #10 Suggestion!: Fans who donate at least X amount get to join a chat channel with the players. Administrator YOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS

neoghaleon55 Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 7430 Posts #11 On October 10 2013 12:35 lichter wrote:

Suggestion!: Fans who donate at least X amount get to join a chat channel with the players.



lol

That's reasonable, but honestly it's up to the organizer to set rules.

I don't plan to be the only organizer, ever. lolThat's reasonable, but honestly it's up to the organizer to set rules.I don't plan to be the only organizer, ever. moo...for DRG

partydude89 Profile Blog Joined August 2012 1835 Posts Last Edited: 2013-10-10 03:50:28 #12 So here is my question. so Lets say i'm the worlds biggest startale pet fan. so i donate 50$ dollars to let him play. Will the OP of whatever thread be updated to let people know that 50 dollars has been donated to him so as to encourage others to do the same? what i'm really asking is, how can people be informed as to who has already been donated to in order to "buy someone in" #1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|

neoghaleon55 Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 7430 Posts #13 On October 10 2013 12:46 partydude89 wrote:

So here is my question. so Lets say i'm the worlds biggest startale pet fan. so i donate 50$ dollars to let him play. Will the OP of whatever thread be updated to let people know that 50 dollars has been donated to him so as to encourage others to do the same?



If I am the organizer, I will surely update.



I imagine this is how it will play out.



Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).

Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.

Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"

Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated. If I am the organizer, I will surely update.I imagine this is how it will play out.Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated. moo...for DRG

partydude89 Profile Blog Joined August 2012 1835 Posts Last Edited: 2013-10-10 03:58:04 #14 On October 10 2013 12:52 neoghaleon55 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 10 2013 12:46 partydude89 wrote:

So here is my question. so Lets say i'm the worlds biggest startale pet fan. so i donate 50$ dollars to let him play. Will the OP of whatever thread be updated to let people know that 50 dollars has been donated to him so as to encourage others to do the same?



If I am the organizer, I will surely update.



I imagine this is how it will play out.



Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).

Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.

Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"

Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated. If I am the organizer, I will surely update.I imagine this is how it will play out.Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated.



and if 100 dollars isn't reached for a player, will it be returned, saved until the next event, or put to a different player of the investors choosing? and if 100 dollars isn't reached for a player, will it be returned, saved until the next event, or put to a different player of the investors choosing? #1 Official Hack Fan|#2 Bomber behind Wintex.|Curious|Life|Flash|TY|Cure|Maru|sOs|Jin Air Green Wings fighting!|SBENU Fighting!|

lichter Profile Blog Joined September 2010 1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL 22233 Posts #15 On October 10 2013 12:52 neoghaleon55 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 10 2013 12:46 partydude89 wrote:

So here is my question. so Lets say i'm the worlds biggest startale pet fan. so i donate 50$ dollars to let him play. Will the OP of whatever thread be updated to let people know that 50 dollars has been donated to him so as to encourage others to do the same?



If I am the organizer, I will surely update.



I imagine this is how it will play out.



Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).

Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.

Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"

Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated. If I am the organizer, I will surely update.I imagine this is how it will play out.Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated.



It should be a pledge for money until the players are finalized, imo



Because the organizer will likely get donations for a variety of players, and some won't make the cut.



So it will be like:



Fans pledge $

Thread is updated

4 players get to $100 first, player list finalized

Fans who pledged for those players must pay within X amount of time

Games!



Of course there is still the problem of some fans not paying up. It should be a pledge for money until the players are finalized, imoBecause the organizer will likely get donations for a variety of players, and some won't make the cut.So it will be like:Fans pledge $Thread is updated4 players get to $100 first, player list finalizedFans who pledged for those players must pay within X amount of timeGames!Of course there is still the problem of some fans not paying up. Administrator YOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS

neoghaleon55 Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 7430 Posts #16 On October 10 2013 12:57 lichter wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 10 2013 12:52 neoghaleon55 wrote:

On October 10 2013 12:46 partydude89 wrote:

So here is my question. so Lets say i'm the worlds biggest startale pet fan. so i donate 50$ dollars to let him play. Will the OP of whatever thread be updated to let people know that 50 dollars has been donated to him so as to encourage others to do the same?



If I am the organizer, I will surely update.



I imagine this is how it will play out.



Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).

Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.

Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"

Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated. If I am the organizer, I will surely update.I imagine this is how it will play out.Say that I organize an MBIT, I will give out my contact information (skype).Fans who want to donate will skype the organizer directly before transfering money.Make sure to ask "how much more does this player need?"Once the money goes through, the thread will of course be updated.



It should be a pledge for money until the players are finalized, imo



Because the organizer will likely get donations for a variety of players, and some won't make the cut.



So it will be like:



Fans pledge $

Thread is updated

4 players get to $100 first, player list finalized

Fans who pledged for those players must pay within X amount of time

Games!



Of course there is still the problem of some fans not paying up. It should be a pledge for money until the players are finalized, imoBecause the organizer will likely get donations for a variety of players, and some won't make the cut.So it will be like:Fans pledge $Thread is updated4 players get to $100 first, player list finalizedFans who pledged for those players must pay within X amount of timeGames!Of course there is still the problem of some fans not paying up.



That sounds very good, lichter!

I knew I could count on you smart TL people!

That sounds very good, lichter!I knew I could count on you smart TL people! moo...for DRG

Lumi Profile Blog Joined August 2009 United States 1610 Posts Last Edited: 2013-10-10 04:03:49 #17 i like this idea and am considering pursuing it in my own way in the future :o twitter.com/lumigaming - DongRaeGu is the One True Dong - /r/onetruedong

ETisME Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Hong Kong 11898 Posts #18 great idea!! 其疾如风，其徐如林，侵掠如火，不动如山，难知如阴，动如雷震。

TommyP Profile Joined December 2011 United States 6211 Posts #19 Seeing DRG/Life/MKP/MMA would be one of the greatest things ever. I would totally pitch in #TheOneTrueDong

Daeracon Profile Joined March 2011 Sweden 197 Posts #20 Sounds like an adventure! I am positive to the idea! You can't use your breaks to get over a hill

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