There’s still not much to talk about on the pitch, but the battle between the USWNT and U.S. Soccer rages on. Both sides have filed Summary Judgement motions, and the outcome could change the landscape of the Equal Pay—and soccer— in the United States for years to come. The Federation’s motion caused the ouster of former president Carlos Cordeiro, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a solid argument.

To discuss the motions, I called up fellow attorney and journalist Kelsey Trainor, who has been following the case as closely as anyone. We talk about the merits of the arguments, and the potential outcomes depending on how the judge rules in the case.