GARDINER HARRIS, The New York Times:

Right.

Well, that's been the problem all along during the Trump administration, particularly for the State Department. And leaders around the world are having trouble figuring out who they should listen to. Should they listen to the State Department and Rex Tillerson, who is very straight? He's sort of a traditional Republican. He's trying to keep alliances and ties across the world to our various allies, particularly with Mexico.

Or should they listen to the more bombastic statements from Trump? Tillerson was in Europe last week trying to calm everything down. So was Mike Pence, saying that we value NATO, we value E.U.

But those are not messages that President Trump has said. He's insulted the E.U. He's insulted NATO. And the same thing is going on in Mexico right now.

In fact, just today, as you played, the president had talked to a bunch of CEOs in a roundtable, and he mentioned Mexico five or six different times, suggesting that Mexico has really been stealing jobs from the United States, has this $70 billion trade surplus, and that that has to stop.

And he sort of said, look, I want to have good relations with Mexico, but, if we don't, we don't.

And so that gives, obviously, some very difficult times for the diplomats here, who are trying to certainly change some things about immigration and enforcement with the Mexicans, but keeping what has been a vital alliance with the Mexicans, because the Mexicans, of course, there is not now any immigration of Mexicans in the United States.

Most of the immigration is from Central America. And the Mexicans are crucial allies in slowing that immigration.