paoisd said: I'm not sure how popular this opinion is, but I do think that there should be no S rank. With Galarian Darm, it made sense because that obviously was far above everything else. However, with that being gone, I don't think it makes sense to have an S rank. There are many great pokemon and huge threats in this meta, but I feel like nothing (including corviknight) stands above everything else. I don't even think corviknight, which is the sole mon in s tier right now, is the best mon in the tier, because I think clefable is. Speaking of which... Click to expand...

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B- ---> A-I sincerely don't understand why is Gyarados so low, yeah, the dmax ban hurts it badly, but this thing has such absurd coverage this gen with Power Whip, while mantaining its threatening moveset and abilites, that there really is no reason to why Gyarados should be lower than Hawlucha and Rotom-Mow. That's the same as putting Hatterene, Excadrill, or Togekiss on B bc they abused Dynamaxed very well, and now can't abuse it anymore, even tho they're great(Toge should really drop tho lol).What are some Gyara hard checks? Correct me if I'm wrong, because i'm not 100% sure on this one, but I can only think of Ferrothorn, Mow, and Avalugg. That's very few for a B- mon, that is also fast and can set up easily in comparison to the usually frail HO sweepers. Gyarados can still hit Mow with Ice Fang and Ferrothron with Flamethrower, and sometimes its worth running niche options for very specific threats such as these two.B--->CWithout Dynamax and without Eletric Terrain Hawlucha is just one of the most underwhelming pokemon to be considered viable in ou rn, 95 atk isn't a good stat, but its usable if you can get free boost with Max Knucle or a free SD after getting in on Electric Terrain. But needing to use Power or White Herb to activate Unburden, to just after that get your boosts is too slow for poor Lucha, boostless Hawlucha is terrible, and if you dont get boosts within 2 turns, then you're just dying before doing anything.---> C+ and URI don't know exactly where I'd put them, but they should definetely drop, I'm a huge Jellicent fan but once Darm got banned it really started being outshined by Toad and Vaporeon as Vish checks. Jellicent still has a niche in more defensive teams that appreciate can afford to lose Seismitoad's utility and Vaporeon's Wish Passing for Jelli's additional recovery. So it shouldn't drop much(C+ for male Jelli and UR for female bc that mon is beyond ugly).Milotic on the other hand has no redeeming attributes to be picked over other bulky waters, it looks just like a discount Pex, with worse Bulk and Worse Abilities, it also doesn't have Water Absorb so it can't compete with the Vish checks, and even if it did get Absorb, Milotic would still be unviable because it adds nothing new to the table and lacks an aspect of it that makes it better than other Water Absorbers, Milotic is outclassed by every other bulky water viable in this tier.---> B+Toxtricity has insane damage output, few checks, and decent bulk for such a powerful breaker, it takes advantadge of fairies and Corviknight to get in(this mon shets on Corviknight so hard it's incredible). If you manage to throw off a hit with this mon(which can be hard because of its speed and bulk, which is only useful against resists) you're guaranteed to do damage. Sadly every move on its moveset has an immunity, which allows the opponent to pivot around somewhat easily, but with good plays, Toxtricity can become a real threat. Worthy of B+.Although I think that Corviknight might be the best Pokemon in the tier, I do agree that it isn't above everything else, VR without S rank seems weird, but in my opinion S rank should be reserved for completely metagame warping pokemon that are clearly stronger than the other ones on lower rankings, Vish is the most influential and centralising mon in the tier imo, but I think that mon is prettyoverprepared for, making it useless in most matchups where the opponent has a Water Absorber, so S rank isn't deserved. Clef is nuts too, and def the closest thing to S rank after Corviknight, but I feel like Rotom-H is just too popular for it to be on the top like that. So I'd say to keep the S rank empty for a while before we discover what are the best mons of SwSh. But if S remains, than I totally agree with Clef rising too.