(This is basically only relevant to Horde dudes, I would post on PL forums but I'm sure it would get censored).

So I was going to leave this entire thing alone, but after the shitpost that was apparently put up on Horde forums I'm going to respond. I quit my access to the Horde group days ago (which makes a callout thread rather comical), but I'll respond to what I assume was a one-sided and politically charged story.

When it comes to FCing newbros, I don't care about power, propaganda or any of that bullshit. All I want to do for Horde is FC and teach new beans. Even when, after losing badly to a superior size and composition Harbinger fleet, I was questioned by Gobbins for a half hour about how we lost, was told it must have been my target calling and other such nonsense, all I cared about was running fleets. Ironically, in that instance, the truth came to light following the grilling from Gobbins that he was primarily concerned that I would bandwagon with a (imaginary?) group of people that were going to attack his Ferox fleet concept. I don't EFT warrior, I don't care about internal politics, I just like to FC. I should have known that this political dribble was convenient foreshadowing.

The whole fiasco started with a shitping (I ADMIT IT), by me, to the Horde group in response to some stream dude. Sting was understandably angry and we chatted and I promised not to shitping again. There was a little fiasco with Hendrick Tallardar coming in late to the show and throwing weight around, but the main issue that was addressed and resolved was the shitping.

A week or so later there was an incident with a douche (ally) named Bryce who came into A2- chat late USTZ asking for a cyno in local chat (why he couldn't light his own with his char in local is a mystery). There was a hostile gang in local, making this request in local chat even more stupid. We were hunting the RUS gang and

had set up a honeypot cyno on the PL pos (which had been done before and was done again). He warped to said honeypot cyno and put question marks into a convo he was having with a Hordling, questioning what was going on. He was not in the standing fleet (which was where the cyno was lit). In disbelief at what this guy had already done and was doing, I told the Hordling to tell him to jump to it, and when he got angry I told him to inform Bryce it was my idea. This Bryce guy then proceeded to scream in local at me, that he was an alliance leader and was telling Gobbins. I didn't take him seriously (I didn't think he was that dumb), until I had this passive aggressive conversation with Gobbins via forum PMs of all methods. I'm told these logs are posted but conveniently leave out many parts. Gobbins never proactively approached me to talk, he assumed the worst from the beginning and everything since then has been him sculpting his own story instead of respecting the truth.

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Gobbins:

Hi PK thanks for the help so far but stop flying with horde until you come out of the retard phase again.

Peace, Gob

Me:

wtf are you talking about?

Gobbins:

first you tried to use horde to invade some guy's twitch stream

then I hear you tried to use a bean to kill a allied carrier by having him cyno to the bean and into your titan

I dont know if this is some kind of lycanthropy-like disease where full moon turns you from human to retarded faggot but until the dawn of day stay away from civilization plz

Me:

lmao I accept full responsibility for the stream thing, which sting and I talked about. as for the carrier-it was a joke. the cyno was a bait cyno on a pos for the RUS gang in local (i've been doing that for awhile with gangs in local, ask Lelob). He wasn't even in the fleet. I joked that he might think we were tricking him and when he flipped about a cyno being lit on a pos I told the guy to tell him it was me. He bought it hook line and sinker. I told the guys on comms if we were actually trying to trick him it would A. be in his fleet and B. be two cynos that were lit at the same time one one station one on the pos and that you drop the station one from fleet right after it goes up. But sure feel free to flip out and over react with some random insults, and tell me I'm terrible and don't know how to target call and all kinds of other things lmao.

PEACE

PK

Gobbins:

Yeah AHAH! what an amazing troll!!!

Do you know how much effort goes into convincing people to move their whole alliance in the region right next to PL? You know what their main concern is? Go play with waffles for a while; leave horde alone thanks

Me:

Might want to let him know that asking for a cyno in A2- local with a hostile gang camping the system is a bad idea and that us making a fool out of him was probably one of the better case scenarios that could have happened. That being said, if you want an active FC to fuck off because of a salty dude who got made fun of that's your prerogative, but seems to go against the tenets that PL is based on.

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That was the extent of our "conversation". There was no actual productive or adult communication.

I continued to FC for Horde for fights, bridge in USTZ and get kills for the organization while teaching aspects of the game. When word came in that there was a Nyx and Titan that were in Khanid, Sumo and Me as well as Lelob and Cyberking actively tracked and hunted this duo. There was NO word from anyone, including H-Dirs that were aware of the hunt, that anything was wrong with this. At this point Gobbins had not responded to my last forum PM for days. As far as I, and the others hunting were aware, there was no agreement with BNI. Had we known there was an agreement with BNI, we would have brought in Rekkingcrew through a Wormhole that was 6j from Upt (where the Titan died) to Mifrata (next door to rekkingcrew). We didn't, because this was a Horde kill for Horde. None of us had any clue that some secret agreement with BNI that covered low sec and prevented shooting them was in place. I've heard rumours that people are saying it was an accident. This is not true--the only accident here is terrible communication, and its more of an epidemic really.

In the hour or so following the titan kill, I was contacted by Gobbins. This time it was over IRC (still not an actual conversation):

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(5:11:59 AM) Gobbins: hi, I thought I asked you to take a break from Horde

(5:12:47 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: we never finished our forum PM conversation

(5:13:37 AM) Gobbins: a while back, when I tried to get in FCI channel, I found great resistance from the active PL FCs

(5:13:40 AM) Gobbins: you know why?

(5:14:06 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: I'm sure you're about to tell me

(5:14:22 AM) Gobbins: I dont need to tell you what you already know

(5:14:35 AM) Gobbins: People don't like you and I deeply regret giving you a chance

(5:14:39 AM) Gobbins: Never fly with horde again

(5:15:08 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: No I'm not sure, tie this in to the current situation of being held accountable for some NAP agreement no one but you knows about.

(5:15:42 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: I'm more than happy to take the millstone and drown for your anger so that the other active USTZ FCs can still fly with horde, but please explain to me your spin on events.

(5:16:42 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: (FYI I left Horde group 20 min ago after Dansara and I talked so this is all academic)

(5:17:53 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: ...

(5:21:54 AM) Perseus_Kallistratos: lmao well I'm going to sleep. If you ever come to your senses and want to have a real conversation instead of passive-aggressive bullshit you know where to find me. fly safe 0/

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After I had gone to sleep he responded that he "was waiting for me on comms" and that "I didn't show up". True-I was sleeping (it was 5am after this titan kill)

Since that time, those that have responded with sympathy to my situation have been threatened with dismissal from Horde. I understand that in a dictatorship those that threaten the system have to be dealt with-but I'm still trying to figure out where Gobbins became threatened by a simple FC who ran fleets. I'm also mystified as to how you can expect people to obey agreements and hold them accountable for said agreements when no one knows said agreements exist. Lastly, I find it ironic that of all the people that were involved with the titan kill, only one was nailed to a cross while excuses like "he didn't know it was BNI" or "it was all an accident" were made for all the rest.

Should I have shitpinged? Of course not. Should I have trolled the "Alliance Leader BRYCE!"? Probably not, even though he was pretty rude. Passed up on a neutral titan kill? We would have if we had been told to. Should these things together constitute a massive drama cyno or be interpreted as some kind of fifth column conspiracy? Only if you're a paranoid schizophreniac.

Anyways, judge me as you will (most of you have probably read this and want your 5 min back). But you should at least have the facts, not some mad spin with conveniently misplaced facts.

Fly Safe