Riley (@raaleh), Hussein (@HKesvani), and Milo (@Milo_Edwards) calling from inside a car in Utah, sit down with Ash Sarkar (@AyoCaesar), senior editor at Novara and Wiley biographer to talk about the history of and political bent of Grime off the back of Ash's run in with Piers Morgan on Good Morning Britain.

Then, in an uncharacteristic move, the second half explores some more sincere topics rather than piss stained irony, with Ash turning it around and asking us about being a Muslim on the left (well, mainly Hussein) and the broader political purpose of irony, and the role of persuasive language. It was a really interesting, and often reflexive conversation I enjoyed having.

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Thanks to Jinsang for our theme song, Herewego, available on Spotify

If you want to bump Afrobashment like Ash, check out the link here to Yo Darlin by NSG feat. Geko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaLkgoWXrrQ

xoxo

Riley