Postby Bugattikid2012 » 15 Feb 2015 08:06



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_disc_shutter



For the later, capture and render are very different, but you need a bit of thinking to understand it. And understand that real life and computers are different. Just Google 180 shutter rule or time. And do a bit of math. (1/24 divided by 2= 1/48)For the later, capture and render are very different, but you need a bit of thinking to understand it. And understand that real life and computers are different.

It does not matter. VLC renders the film at the INTENDED value from the CREATOR. If the creator wanted 24 fps and bluriness, VLC will render that. If the creator wanted 60fps, VLC will render 60fps.

VLC plays at the actual speed of the movie, because this is what the CREATOR WANTED.

Your sources are not factual, they don't apply to what is relevant: aka, what was wanted by the creator.

Once again, you speaking of things you don't know. The filter cannot work in VLC because the filter maker did not make it compatible with VLC. VLC does use DirectShow filters.

Once again, you can't read and don't understand anything. Films are CAPTURED at 24 fps, with a shutter time of 180degrees, aka 1/48 of a second. I never said movies where shot or rendered at 48 fps.

The historical reason of 24 fps does not impact in anything the fact that 24 fps is the standard of every film, so far, except few exceptions.

This is the end of this discussion, because you seem to refuse to listen. You have no filmaking information and skills, you cannot read and you understand nothing about the difference between a fact an an opinion.



If you want Frame Interpolation, just code it. But do not say it's not an alteration of movies.

What you are talking about applies to old cameras that used real film, and projectors that use real film.That's great, every video player ever can render at what the source video is. That's NOTHING special. What IS special is the ability to run video using frame interpolation.I don't care what the creator intended it to run at, and neither do the other people who want Frame Interpolation. Ubisoft wants games to run at 30 FPS and nothing more, PC gamers don't care and run games at up to 144 FPS. It makes the video look better and smoother. Just because a creator wanted it to look choppy and blurry doesn't mean that everyone wants it to look bad.Take animated movies and TV shows. They aren't higher than 24/30 FPS due to the fact that it takes a ton of time to animate, and running at 48/60 or higher frame rates requires double the animation time. With frame interpolation, I can watch these movies/TV shows at higher frame rates. The fact is that higher frame rates means less motion blur, and a smoother video. Everyone would animate at these higher frames if it didn't take more time. There's a reason YT includes 60 FPS you know.Just because someone created something doesn't mean there always right. It's the consumers who are the market, NOT the creator. My sources are factual, you just refuse to look at them otherwise you would understand they ARE factual.Once again, you're being stubborn. DirectShow is a completely irrelevant filter and I have no clue why you've mentioned it. It's just a standard filter made by MS to show off 95. The ffdshow filter is just a mere filter, however VLC doesn't allow filters that mess with the rendering of images. It's NOT that ffdshow isn't compatible with VLC, VLC just isn't allowing ffdshow to work. Even if ffdshow wasn't compatible, it would have been made compatible due to the high volume of requests for this feature. You're supposed to be THE head developer, YOU should know this.Gee, I don't understand anything. That's a brilliant thing to say coming from someone who is an admin. Admins aren't supposed to be condescending jerks. You're supposed to supply facts, not BS about how videos are supposed to be slow, choppy, and blurry, regardless of if it's a filmed movie, an animated movie, or a TV show. You're not supporting your site's name very well.The historical reason of 24 FPS has EVERYTHING to do with why it's still used today, and if you had looked at the link I sent you, you would have seen that. You claim I don't have factual information yet you've obviously ignored the information I have sent you.There's no need for me to code it, as it already exists and ffdshow IS compatible with VLC, however VLC just isn't allowing it to be used. That's quite stupid in my opinion, considering this is an Open Source program. VLC is a completely self contained program, not using external filters. THAT is the REAL reason why it won't work, and you're quite aware of this. I've seen you on other forums talking about how it only supports what it comes with, and nothing else. Heck, you're the lead developer, if anyone knows this it's you. You're just being a jerk and you're trying to lie to me by saying that ffdshow doesn't support VLC, when the opposite is true. I'm simply asking for support for external filters, however it'd be nice if you could tell the truth while you're at it. And when did I say it's not an alteration of movies? OF COURSE ITS AN ALTERATION! THATS THE ENTIRE POINT!Obviously I'm not the only one who wants this, as there's at least 7 versions of frame interpolation out there, JUST in the real time rendering software form. That's not even including the monitors and TVs that have it built in, or things like Adobe After Effects, which is intended for slow motion but can be used just to edit the source file's frame size.You think that all forms of video and movies have to have motion blur in them. You're not even thinking about animated movies, animated TV shows, and TV shows/movies that don't have motion blur in them by default. The simple fact is that many of us don't want choppy, blurry video. It doesn't matter if the creator wanted it to be that way, we the consumers don't want it that way. That's why frame interpolation exists.If you don't like it, great. You don't have to use it. Many of us want to use it, and we'd like to use it with VLC. Obviously I'm going to boycott VLC now thanks to how horribly you've treated me, and I'm going to try my best to spread the word about it. I didn't do anything to cause you to act rudely, and I certainly didn't expect it from the person leading the project. I won't be using VLC anymore thanks to how horrible you made yourself look, despite this being the best native video player on Linux. WINE works great with MPC-HC, and SVP works fine on it. Frame interpolation is one of the more popular reasons MPC-HC is used over VLC anyways.You could have easily talked to me without being so rude. You could have actually posted a single fact, instead of disregarding all of mine. Maybe YOU want to watch blurry movies, and watch animated films/TV shows at their frame rate, but everyone doesn't want this. You can't just act like my facts don't matter, simply because you refuse to believe them. You can watch movies "how the creator intended", while in the meantime I'll be enjoying a smoother, and more enjoyable experience using a different video player such as MPC-HC.This whole conversation is getting posted to reddit, they'll get a kick out of how stupid, ignorant, and condescending VLC's LEAD DEVELOPER is. You seem to pipe up every time frame interpolation is mentioned on this site, dating back to 2008.You have never once given a real reason as to why VLC doesn't allow external filters to be used. I'm sure there is a technical limitation, but you've still never said that to me, or in any other threads regarding interpolation that I can find. I'm sure to never recommend it again due to how stubbornly rude you're being. If you honestly think that you can insult and lie to your users who are only trying to help the program grow, then frankly you're a flat out idiot.The SINGLE AND ONLY REASON where frame interpolation would be a bad thing is if a movie has HORRID motion blur, as frame interpolation can make extreme motion blur worse, however you've failed to mention that point. In videos such as animated shows, TV shows, or movies that don't contain added or much motion blur, frame interpolation only makes them look smoother and better.I'm going to stop replying now, so don't think I'm going to be *that guy* who's always annoying and doesn't know when to quit. I just wanted to try to improve my favorite video player. WINE here I come...Thanks for taking the time to reply to me at least. I guess that's more than some developers do. I gotta give credit where credit is due. Thanks for trying.