Hassybaby Profile Joined November 2010 United Kingdom 1448 Posts Last Edited: 2012-11-07 15:12:06 #1



+ Show Spoiler + Today we have to report about how disappointed MeetYourMakers is with the outcome of the Starladder Season 3 Finals and the behaviour of its organizers. The event was full of broken promises and unfair treatment.

As many of you may know, MYM’s DotA 2 team just recently participated in the Starladder Season 3 finals, which were held in the Kiev Cybersports Arena, located in the Ukrainian capital city of Kiev. Unfortunately, today we have to report about how disappointed we feel with the organizers behind the event, and mainly, Vitalii "v1lat" Volochai. The organization and Vitalli have continually failed to go through with their promises, and even though we have tried our utmost best to communicate with them, they have never replied to our concerns, completely ignoring us. As a professional organization in the forefront of electronic sports, we feel there is no other choice but to make this public, as we would not want other teams to be fooled by Vitalli and his organization in the future.



We have made a list with the broken promises, as well as the incidents that occurred during and after the event:



- First and foremost, Vitalli and his organization compromised to pay a total of 1,000 Dollars to each of the attending teams in order to cover some of the travel costs. The deadline to receive this money was November 2nd. Unfortunately, as of this date, we can confirm that no money has been perceived by MeetYourMakers GmbH or other teams which we have been in constant contact with.



- Hotel accommodation was supposed to be provided by Starladder, but, when we required an extra room to accommodate all of our players and our manager, our request was denied. This left MeetYourMakers GmbH with no other choice but to book another room for our guys, so that they didn’t need to sleep on the stone ground.



- During the first days of the event, Natus Vincere and JoinDotA received free food and drinks, while the rest of the teams participating had to pay for them; we consider this unacceptable and really discriminatory. Either all of the teams receive food for free, or none of them receive it, but this favoritism is just pathetic.



- On the next days of the event, we noticed another discriminatory action by Starladder, as we can confirm they told a Muslim, Product Manager for DotA2 in the ESL and ex Team Manager of Skanes Elit, that he either ate pork or nothing at all.



We talked with Niklas ‘Wagamama’ Högström who is the captain of Team Pulse, who participated at the event, just so he could confirm our claims, something he did, pointing out that his team has not received the travel expenses money either.



On this matter, we also talked to someone who works for the ESL, but preferred to remain anonymous; this is what he had to say:



“They promised a lot but the most was just wrong, joinDota staff and Na´Vi had an awesome hotel with 4 stars and the other teams had to sleep with 5-6 man in apartments far away from the cyber arena and team Pulse had to sleep in a shelter with open electricity in the wall and without light in the bedroom, also they promised free food and transport but we had to pay for everything in the first days but not the joinDota staff, they got everything for free. The most of the teams paid a few hundred euros for the transport between the "apartments" and the cyber arena.”



We hope that after exposing these points, our fans will understand why we believed there was no better option than to make this public. We firmly believe that in order for electronic sports to grow and become professional, all of these toxic event organizers should disappear, as all they do is take the money of the sponsors, and make the teams waste considerable amounts of money in order to attend events just to then find out that the event is not as it was promised to be.



We have no hope to receive what is owed to us, but we are at least happy that our experience will serve other teams to not make the same mistake we did. Stay tuned to mymym.com, as we will keep you updated shall any new development occur on this matter.



Some pretty shocking stuff in there if all of it is true. Thoughts?



Source:



EDIT 1: Waga made a statement about the entire issue (thank you CountChocula!)



+ Show Spoiler + Wagamama comment on Gosugamers:



The way this article is written it suggests I confirm their claims about everything and back them up in several ways. This is incorrect and a mistake by the publisher, aware or not aware of it, it doesnt matter.



I only confirmed we have not recieved payment for the travel, the rest is their oppinions and I do not share the oppinions regarding the apartments, I am happy that this event provides free accomodation and it's something I wish more events would do (Dreamhack!)





All in all, I would never complain about free accomodation unless it's worse than what was promised by the invites (invites do not specify a certain standard, and I have been there before, I know how it is and I dont mind)





Cheers!



http://gosugamers.net/dota2/thread/993702/start/40



EDIT 2: V1lat posted a statement about the entire episode on his website:



+ Show Spoiler + To be honest, right after reading the article at mymym.com website I decided to do nothing. Nothing, at all. But, now it is not just some MYM reaction, it is an offensive statement that is being discussed at all possible dota-related websites. And I think community needs an answer from me.



Consider this as my own statement, and it has nothing in common with Starladder or Cyberarena.



First of all, I want to apologize to Na`Vi, Joindota and other persons involved in that article. They not deserve to be mentioned at such kind of articles. Na`Vi and Joindota are one of the best companies in the e-sports, and any kind of mentioning them like a part of something bad is unacceptable. So I demand MyM management and website to release a statement and apologize in front of all community for insulting those 2 organizations.



When somebody is trying to insult Starladder tournament series – I can’t just sit and watch. Starladder is doing amazing job for all e-sports. And DOTA2 tournament is the only regular LAN-tournament in the Europe, besides DreamHack of course. We are trying to do our best with online part of the tournament, and to create best possible LAN tournaments for all visitors at venue and all fans all over the world watching us over the internet.



But the hardest part of LAN-tournaments is getting teams to venue. We are not VALVE, we can’t afford accommodations for all teams and visitors. But I was a manager of team DTS, and I know that it is really hard to go to other country without any help from orgas. That’s why I asked Cyberarena to help international DOTA teams with at least renting an apartments for them. I told teams that we will meet them at airport and will send them back to airport after tournament, and of course we did that. I told teams that we will provide food for them, and when anybody in any part of the world tells “food support” – it means lunch, and we provided lunches for all teams at Cyberarena. Nobody is doing that in all e-sports world. And now MYM managers are not ok with that, cause they didn’t get food at their 1st day at venue. Every other team got – MYM not. They had 2 managers, Team GD had 0 managers. But GD had their lunch, MyM – not. Why? Because they asked me about lunch at 9 p.m. when our kitchen is already closed. Next day – of course they got the food.



I don’t want to talk about apartments, because MyM got best damn apartment for 6 persons in the whole Kiev. It gets 10 minutes and 3,5 euro by taxi to go to Cyberarena, and at the 1st night in Kiev I went with MyM guys and payed for the cars. So they knew the price. 3,5 euro to Arena and 3,5 back to home. Our Cyberarena staff called a taxis for them every night. So for ALL 5 days they spent not more than 80 euros. NOT “hundreds” as was mentioned.



About “pork part” of article. After 1st map of Grandfinals I got info that 1 man from ESL stuff is refusing to eat tonight free menu, cause it consists pork. He is a muslim and we respect this. But, when we were preparing menus for players for all 4 days, we got info about 30 players (Na`Vi are getting and paying for their food by themselves). Not about their managers or ESL stuff that were attending the event. So it were prepared the menu for all 4 days, cause it is not really easy to get food for 30 persons, when we had more then 2400 visitors at venue for this 4 days. I came to MyM table and talked with guy from ESL. I said we have free menu ONLY with pork, we can’t change it now, cause it is 11 pm atm, you can order fish or chicken is you want, it will cost 3-4 euros. I think it is normal price.



Yesterday I got message from ESL man that was involved by MyM at article.



“Jo boy im not a part of this news i told mym the same but they said that they wont edit the news for more information about that you also can ask tobi. just let me and ESL out of this MYM- SLTV war”



What can I say more? I am sorry to ESL too for getting inside this. And I hope MyM will apologize to ESL also.



At Teamliquid thread aL manager Samo (other managers and players also can confirm that from general skype conference of starladder tournament) confirmed that at the start of the season we were planning to raise out prize-fund and to provide full accommodation and food and maybe travel expenses. After few days of online tournament I said to managers that we will try to get 1000 USD for all LAN-teams to cover a part of their travel money. I never said or confirmed that for 100%, and I admit I never told that we WONT do the payback. I told that only to GD, aL, Vp and M5 teams, and they were OK with that, cause they understand how hard is finding sponsors. MyM guys at their statement pointed that I took money from sponsors. It is complete lie. After event we were talking with MyM.Drunkin, and I told him that we are paying for accommodations and other stuff from revenues we are getting from DOTA TV. So I am also demanding MYM to apologize to our sponsors Intel and ASUS for posting that. At the venue I talked with Drunkin and Wagamama, and I told them that I am not in charge of travel money, because I am just a caster and a “face” of Starladder, I am not even an orga, I am just helping teams cause I want everybody to like Starladder events. I told them that I will talk with my boss about the situation and possibility of returning travel money. Starladder can’t afford it now. Also deadline that was posted at MYM site – is some kind of joke. Starladder season 3 ended 1 week ago with Pro-series final. We have 4 divisions, 5 disciplines and more than 80 teams to pay prizes, most of them we are paying in cash at the venue (and MYM got their prize right after their last game), so it is not really easy to manage payment for 80 teams for 1 week, right? We never set any deadline. For prizes, or for travel money.



But, it is my fault that I did not told to MyM and Pulse about NOT returning travel money before tournament. So I admit my fault, and I will pay them from my own pocket till the end of November.



In general I would like to apologize 1 more time to Na`Vi, Joindota, ESL and others for this “drama” created by MyM. Of course we will try to fix all our mistakes, and I hope team MyM will show some respect to us and other teams and will play in next season of Starladder, that is starting next Monday.



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Tweet from Ryze:



Today, MYM released a statement about the recent Starladder finals, making some serious accusations about not following through on promises, as well as showing unfair treatment to certain individuals over others:Some pretty shocking stuff in there if all of it is true. Thoughts?Source: http://mymym.com/?section=news&id=20519 : Waga made a statement about the entire issue (thank you CountChocula!)V1lat posted a statement about the entire episode on his website:Source: http://www.v1lat.tv/what-do-i-think/ Tweet from Ryze: RyzeDota

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Just read the mym post @v1lat I had a great time in Kiev. Appartment HUGE, Free PC's 24/7, everything good. i'm ashamed standing in for MYM

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