Lots of people got angry with The Flash in Season 2 when it seemed as if Greg Berlanti and the creative team were turning Jay Garrick into the evil Zoom, unaware that 17 more twists were coming. (I have at least $5 on Tom Felton eventually becoming the real Jay Garrick.) So it's a little less than delightful hearing John Wesley Shipp talking about his current iteration on the character possibly being a moody and put-upon hero who is way past the point of things seeming glamorous. But maybe Shipp is just throwing us off and he really doesn't know anything. They seem to be happy together up there.