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After being asked to talk, me and SonicTHD decided to talk a bit on the lore of FNaF. There will hopefully be another discussion going up soon, but this one came first, so I’m posting this one!

SonicTHD is fairly fluent in English, but has said he’d like the spelling fixed in some places. I’ve tried to not change his points while doing so.

Kizzycocoa – ok, so let’s start.

Kizzycocoa – so, lets go to the drawings. What’s the theory you’d like to discuss?

SonicTHD – So, I loved your theory about the Drawings and is a good observation about the old times of that restaurant

SonicTHD – But there’s things which don’t fix in this theory

SonicTHD – And these thing’s are the phone calls

Kizzycocoa – Ah, I see. You think there is a discrepancy between my theory, and the phone calls?

Kizzycocoa – to be clear, that would be This Observation?

SonicTHD – Exactly

Kizzycocoa – Ok, I love to discuss and poke holes in theories. What do the phone calls say that refutes the observation?

SonicTHD – Well, we know about that famous theory which says the phone calls are pre-recorded, right?

SonicTHD – The calls from FNaF 2

Kizzycocoa – yes, I do know that theory

Kizzycocoa – it presumes the phone calls were part of the older location, I believe?

SonicTHD – The Drawing Theory (I like to call that) talks about the old opening of FNaF 2 location had the Originals (It’s how I like to call the Un-Withereds), Funtime Foxy, Puppet and Jay Jay, right?

SonicTHD – Jay Jay because the Drawing on the office is purple, not red, which could be the origin of Jay Jay

Kizzycocoa – not too sure about JJ. I mean, the image in the office doesn’t match either, really

Kizzycocoa – but, I think the JJ/BB “series”, if it is a series, certainly

Kizzycocoa – so for the sake of argument

Kizzycocoa – lets say that BB/JJ were made/active at the same time

SonicTHD – Okay

SonicTHD – So that opening had them

Kizzycocoa – also, to be clear, this is the Funtime Toy Foxy

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

Kizzycocoa – not the Sister Location Foxy

SonicTHD – Oh of course

Kizzycocoa – just, so we’re 100% on the same page :P

Kizzycocoa – but yes, I fully agree with that theory

SonicTHD – Okay, so if the phone call theory is right and fix in this timeline, is impossible to fix it

Kizzycocoa – I don’t believe the Phone Call theory is right at all.

SonicTHD – Because Phone Guy in some calls talk about the Toys and the Withereds

Kizzycocoa – Shall I elaborate on my issues with that theory?

SonicTHD – Of course

Kizzycocoa – Ok, so I will take 3 issues.

Kizzycocoa – First off, the “older models” in the back-room. Obviously, with the older models in use, there’d not be multiple older models.

SonicTHD – Yes I agree

Kizzycocoa – ….though that said, Foxy would be in there

Kizzycocoa – as would the Springlocks

Kizzycocoa – I suppose, potentially, that falls flat. But, he talked of “The Smell”

Kizzycocoa – Still

Kizzycocoa – that’s my first worry.

Kizzycocoa – my second is, the night 6 phone call.

SonicTHD – Exactly

Kizzycocoa – because we know, the night guard switches between 6 and 7.

Kizzycocoa – now, this could be seen as a small detail, someone could dismiss it

Kizzycocoa – but, my third issue – I believe – destroys that theory.

Kizzycocoa – the murdered kids.

Kizzycocoa – we know there were 3 murders. One of the Puppet child, one with the 5 kids in the FNaF1 location, and one with the 5 kids in the FNaF2 location

Kizzycocoa – now, the problem is, the phone incident

Kizzycocoa – it is heavily implied to be the discovery of a murder.

Kizzycocoa – if we take the minigames, we can clearly see the toy animatronics present

Kizzycocoa – therefore, the second set of murders had to take place in the FNaF2 location, during the grand re-opening

Kizzycocoa – which could be anywhere between 1-3 weeks prior

Kizzycocoa – There is naturally the chance that Phone Guy is describing a separate event, but Id’ ask, what event could that be?

SonicTHD – The first?

SonicTHD – I mean, the first five kids

Kizzycocoa – Not likely. They died in the first location that was “left to rot”, with the withereds that they tried to refurbish, but the smell lingered.

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – they were dead before the FNaF2 location opened it’s doors.

SonicTHD – Oh

SonicTHD – Well, this could makes sense

SonicTHD – Because we see Purple Guy with a badge

Kizzycocoa – Lets recall who Purple Guy is now, for reference

SonicTHD – And this sprite is like the FNaF 4 restaurant, which is before FNaF 2

Kizzycocoa – he is the technician, or secondary-owner

Kizzycocoa – he does the robotics

Kizzycocoa – Oooh, don’t go saying that too loudly. you’ll piss off a lot of people if you claim FNaF4 is before FNaF2 :P

Kizzycocoa – I think that’s the most likely timeline, but still, it’s not solid, set in stone

SonicTHD – Well, a guy said me a interesting thing about this, but is good let’s focus on the calls

SonicTHD – For now

Kizzycocoa – I’d like to pre-empt an argument. Are you going to go on and say the FNaF2 location is the sister location to Fredbear’s, mentioned in FNaF3?

SonicTHD – No, for me the FNaF 3 phone calls are in Stage 01 location, which the sister location is the same location as Fredbear & Friends, before the location “left to rot”

Kizzycocoa – Ah, good. good.

SonicTHD – I mean, Stage 01 and “Left to rot” are the same, but in different times

Kizzycocoa – I somewhat agree

Kizzycocoa – I think they may run side-by-side

SonicTHD – Could be

Kizzycocoa – Like, literally 6 characters.

Kizzycocoa – Still, we’re getting off point

Kizzycocoa – we’re talking about the pre-recorded theory

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so, I’ve laid out my reasons. Where were we going after this?

SonicTHD – What do you mean? We finish the topic or we could talk more about this?

Kizzycocoa – well

Kizzycocoa – we were talking about the Drawing theory

SonicTHD – Because there is some things I would like to talk before finish the topic

Kizzycocoa – then you said that contradicted the Phone Call theory

Kizzycocoa – correct?

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so, we’ve established that, and I fully agree. so….where is the conversation going now?

Kizzycocoa – :P

SonicTHD – So another topic right? :v

Kizzycocoa – well, is there anything else to that?

Kizzycocoa – or, were we just kicking the corpse of the phone theory for giggles? :P

SonicTHD – There is before we go for another, and stills in the phone calls

SonicTHD – Well, first talks about the old location, with doors, which means is the same FNaF 1 location, but in the time of “left to rot”

SonicTHD – Why he would talk about that if probably that location closed in 85, which the last opening of FNaF 2 is in 86?

SonicTHD – Second is how he talks about the building been lockdown

SonicTHD – He says “the building will be closed for a while”, well he talks with certain

SonicTHD – But this “while” is a lie, which the next location is 5 years after in FNaF 1, in a different location

Kizzycocoa – Well, for me, I’d reference the Bite of 87.

Kizzycocoa – I still believe Mangle caused the bite.

SonicTHD – Because he said “the animatronics walking during the night”?

Kizzycocoa – yes, especially since in FnaF2, they can walk around during the day.

SonicTHD – Yes I said wrong, day :v

SonicTHD – Well in the past like 3 months ago I still believed in this theory

SonicTHD – But in the ending of FNaF 2 newspaper is never mentioned a bite or something, just “problem with the new animatronics”

SonicTHD – I think the newspaper wouldn’t hide this information or something

Kizzycocoa – Well, let’s also recall that it was the very next day. They likely didn’t have all of the information.

Kizzycocoa – Plus, they mentioned no bite prior

Kizzycocoa – so if that wasn’t the bite, then it may still happen post-FNaF2

Kizzycocoa – which is unlikely.

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – Well, I believe FNaF 4 is the bite

SonicTHD – So, this could be a new topic right? Talking about the bite

Kizzycocoa – I see. I suppose that’s our first area of disagreement then. I don’t believe that at all!

Kizzycocoa – sure thing, we can switch to that!

SonicTHD – Okay, but I forgot something

Kizzycocoa – oh?

Kizzycocoa – lets wrap up this topic then, before we move to the bite

SonicTHD – You don’t explained a lot about why phone guy talks about the old location with doors and everything

SonicTHD – Because it was like 2 years ago, and he said to “forgget that location”

Kizzycocoa – ah, well that’s easy enough to understand. During the FNaF1 location’s opening, it was easier to keep the animatronics away. No doubt, they had issues after the murder, with the animatronics

Kizzycocoa – so, when they moved to FnaF2, they tried to stop further murders by removing the doors

SonicTHD – Hmmm

Kizzycocoa – of course, removing all the protections, which they replaced with the empty head.

SonicTHD – Well that’s a good explanation

Kizzycocoa – so, it’s natural he brings it up, as in his mind, those used to protect you

Kizzycocoa – and since that location rotted, I’d bet he was working at Fredbears for some time

Kizzycocoa – where there were no issues

SonicTHD – Yes makes sense

SonicTHD – Well I think we can go for the next topic

SonicTHD – :v

Kizzycocoa – sure thing!

Kizzycocoa – I’d like to add, before we started, you mentioned we had 2 topics

SonicTHD – Well, there is more

Kizzycocoa – I see. so this other topic is not a third topic?

SonicTHD – When I was talking, I remember other things we could talk

SonicTHD – No exactly

SonicTHD – Because there is four things I would talk with you now:

Kizzycocoa – oh wow, we’ve doubled the workload!

Kizzycocoa – well, lets move to number 2 then :P

SonicTHD – Okay

SonicTHD – Oh wait

SonicTHD – I said I remember four more things PLUS the bite, which is five now I think :p

SonicTHD – But lets go for the second

SonicTHD – So, like you said, you believe Mangle did the bite and I believe Fredbear did

SonicTHD – You can say first why you believe that

Kizzycocoa – I see. Well, it’s about timing I suppose. I’ll be posting an observation on it soon enough.

Kizzycocoa – But, it’s the simple question of, were the Springlock suits retired by FNaF2?

Kizzycocoa – if you say yes, the bite cannot have happened

Kizzycocoa – this is down to Spring Bonnie

Kizzycocoa – the one sealed in the safe room

SonicTHD – Wait

Kizzycocoa – either that happened in FNaF1 before FNaF2, or FnaF1 after FNaF2

SonicTHD – Before we go, I would like to call Pre-Springtrap like Spring Bonnie, and the Fredbear’s one “New Spring Bonnie”

SonicTHD – For be more easy to understand

SonicTHD – Like Funtime Foxy and New Funtime Foxy (Sl)

Kizzycocoa – sure, but my argument has little to do with the New Spring Bonnie :u

SonicTHD – Okay

Kizzycocoa – long and short of my argument is this. when the Springlock suits were retired, they were never used again for entertainment, correct?

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – following that, the Spring Bonnie animatronic was sealed in the FNaF1 safe-room

Kizzycocoa – correct?

SonicTHD – Yes I agree

Kizzycocoa – ok, so, can we agree that, during FNaF2, the FNaF1 location is abandoned?

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so, when was Spring Bonnie sealed in the safe room?

Kizzycocoa – it couldn’t have been during FNaF2

Kizzycocoa – it has to be before or after.

SonicTHD – In 84 possibly

SonicTHD – In my opinion

Kizzycocoa – I would agree. But see, when they were locked away, all Springlock suits were retired.

Kizzycocoa – including Fredbears

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so, how could they be retired in 84, yet you believe the minigames in FNaF4 take place in 87 – 3 years after they’ve been retired?

SonicTHD – Well

SonicTHD – The Fredbear’s animatronics in my opinion wasn’t retired in FNaF 1 location with Spring Bonnie and possibly Spring Freddy

SonicTHD – They was retired in Fredbear’s location himself

SonicTHD – And the place get abandoned before 87

Kizzycocoa – remember the phone call, the incident took place in the sister location.

Kizzycocoa – AKA, both locations had to take down the animatronics.

SonicTHD – The Springlock incident yes

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so, that includes Fredbear, which would be the sister location where the Springlock incident took place.

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – remember the calls

Kizzycocoa – they address FFP

Kizzycocoa – so the sister location must be Fredbear’s

SonicTHD – Yes I agree totally

Kizzycocoa – so a Springlock incident at Fredbears caused the FNaF1 location to retire their Springlock suits. Why would you presume Fredbear’s – the source of the Springlock incident – would not retire their suits?

SonicTHD – Of course they retired

SonicTHD – I know where I want to go

Kizzycocoa – so, that means the Fredbear suits would have retired then, before 1987

SonicTHD – About why FNaF 4 location stills having Fredbear’s animatronics

Kizzycocoa – oh?

Kizzycocoa – Well, lets hear that then

SonicTHD – Why because they was retired and couldn’t be used

SonicTHD – Okay

SonicTHD – Hello?

Kizzycocoa – yes?

Kizzycocoa – I’m waiting for you to explain why the FNaF4 location still has Fredbear animatronics

SonicTHD – Oh sorry :v

Kizzycocoa – no problem :P

SonicTHD – Well that’s something I can’t explain,

SonicTHD – I seriously never understood why

Kizzycocoa – see, that’s why I can’t believe it to be the bite of 87

SonicTHD – Hmmm, so you believe is in 83 so

SonicTHD – I see

SonicTHD – Well now my thoughts : p

Kizzycocoa – Yes, though let it be known, FNaFLore is neutral.

Kizzycocoa – I have yet to place that down on the timeline

Kizzycocoa – I’ve no solid evidence

SonicTHD – Hmmm

SonicTHD – Well

Kizzycocoa – I plan to try to remove all doubt with the observations.

Kizzycocoa – but, until then, I won’t pander to either side.

SonicTHD – I understand

SonicTHD – Well, I believe the bite was in 87 because

SonicTHD – First the Toys figures: The Toys figures for me couldn’t existed before 87, don’t makes sense a lot the animatronics been based on inaccurate toys. Well could be, because the plushies are actually like the Classics and not like the Originals, which makes sense. But there is two things which prove more this: Chica’s Beak teaser and Funtime Foxy figure. Well, the Chica Beak could be a hint made by Scott for prove the game is in 87, and of course, be a answer to Matpat about the red things like you said before. But Funtime Foxy figure don’t makes any sense if is in 83, because the Toys could be inaccurate like the plushies, but Funtime Foxy figure is totally different to Original Foxy, why they would do that? Just if Circus Baby had a old location before, different to the new game location.

SonicTHD – Second: The teasers. Every teaser had a 87 on the HTML’s, and the secret 87 in Nightmare Foxy why, which can be a reference to the brother seen the bite. The only teaser which had 83 in the code was Plushtrap teaser. Why would Scott put the 87’s?

SonicTHD – Third: Was It’s Me phrase, which can be a obvious reference to the bite of 87.

SonicTHD – I think it’s just that

Kizzycocoa – ok, so, lets go through these. First off, “It’s Me” is a reference to the FNaF1 location, and seems tied to Golden Freddy, not Fredbear.

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – But I believe the Was It’s Me is different to It’s Me, because the It’s Me is just a phrase to scare Mike in my opinion, and the Was It’s Me it’s totally different just for the bite thing

SonicTHD – Well, what’s your opinion about it?

Kizzycocoa – Well, we’re now talking about a different phrase, “Was it me?”

Kizzycocoa – also, there is always the chance that those 87s were red herrings, RE the source code

Kizzycocoa – that said, there were two numbers, let me get those up

Kizzycocoa – I believe the numbers “2094” and “0862” were on the site as well

Kizzycocoa – if you add/minus 1 to each number, you get 1983

Kizzycocoa – trying to find the exact timeframe

SonicTHD – Hmmm

Kizzycocoa – trying to find a source

SonicTHD – Me?

SonicTHD – Well, 1983 could be the year of the Springlock incident

Kizzycocoa – ah, no

SonicTHD – Or about the year when started the show

Kizzycocoa – it was link=”#2093″, which would make it 1982.

SonicTHD – Oh

Kizzycocoa – I think it may have referred to the opening time. 19882-1983.

Kizzycocoa – still, in any case

SonicTHD – Yes could be too

Kizzycocoa – the 1987 could be a red herring

Kizzycocoa – I don’t think we can rely on them as 100% proof.

SonicTHD – A question

Kizzycocoa – oh?

SonicTHD – What’s exactly a red herring?

Kizzycocoa – ah, a red herring is like, a clue that’s meant to throw you off the trail

Kizzycocoa – so

SonicTHD – Oh

SonicTHD – I get it

Kizzycocoa – say you arrive at the scene of a death, and you see a bloody knife

Kizzycocoa – but the cause of death, it is found, is poison

Kizzycocoa – the knife would be a red herring. it has nothing to do with the death

Kizzycocoa – get it?

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – yeah. but basically, the source code is something we cannot trust Scott on

Kizzycocoa – as well as “Summer job”

SonicTHD – Well in my opinion, Scott wouldn’t do that, because it was the first time he did that. But stills a possibility

SonicTHD – Exactly

Kizzycocoa – I was so pissed when I found out that.

SonicTHD – I forgot the Summer job thing

Kizzycocoa – it means nothing.

SonicTHD – Exactly

SonicTHD – That’s why I called you to start the discussion

SonicTHD – Because the phone calls could be in the summer

SonicTHD – Couldn’t

Kizzycocoa – the problem is, the Summer Job.

Kizzycocoa – Scott does not know the meaning of Summer Job

Kizzycocoa – at least, not traditionally

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – go look to the FNaF1 steam page

SonicTHD – I know that, I made a post on the sub about it

Kizzycocoa – ah, ok. good :P

SonicTHD – Well

SonicTHD – So I think there is a possibility to the company go back with the spring animatronics

SonicTHD – Probably is something related with the old owner

SonicTHD – And that’s why they was trying to contact him like he said in FNaF 2

Kizzycocoa – Howso?

SonicTHD – Tbh, there isn’t any big evidence to they go back with the spring animatronics, just little straw-grasping

SonicTHD – But the figures stills a strange thing, principally Funtime Foxy

Kizzycocoa – Pardon?

SonicTHD – ?

Kizzycocoa – what’s this about Funtime Foxy?

SonicTHD – Funtime Foxy figure

Kizzycocoa – in the FNaF4 bedroom?

SonicTHD – The one from the sister’s room

Kizzycocoa – that much, I can explain easily. Foxy was replaced before FNaF2

Kizzycocoa – again, the drawings.

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – to be honest, the toys confuse me

SonicTHD – Exactly, the Toys is another thing

Kizzycocoa – if they had new toys, why were they pushing the old plushies at relaunch?

SonicTHD – Well, in FNaF 2 Custom Night, one of the prizes is the Toy Bonnie figure

Kizzycocoa – we can’t count them as canon, really.

SonicTHD – So probably the Toys figures is in the Prize Corner somewhere

Kizzycocoa – but why not on the shelves?

SonicTHD – For me I count

SonicTHD – Yes it’s interesting

Kizzycocoa – we can also note, no Foxy plush

Kizzycocoa – again, as he was replaced.

SonicTHD – Because Funtime Foxy

Kizzycocoa – yes

SonicTHD – Well, I think is something which SL could show to us

SonicTHD – Because there is some pieces which are hiding

SonicTHD – Well, I want to talk with you another topic

SonicTHD – About the FNaF 4 kid

Kizzycocoa – sure, lets go to another topic

Kizzycocoa – oh?

SonicTHD – I mean, who he possess

SonicTHD – Well, people thinks he possess Puppet or Golden Freddy

Kizzycocoa – I’d bet, no-one.

SonicTHD – Who you think he possess?

Kizzycocoa – ninja’d

SonicTHD – Hmm why?

Kizzycocoa – because the only other option is to possess Fredbear

SonicTHD – No it isn’t

SonicTHD – Here’s who I believe he possess:

SonicTHD – Paper Pal Buddy

SonicTHD – Sounds funny I know xD

Kizzycocoa – Do I need to tell you how silly that sounds? :P

Kizzycocoa – I mean

Kizzycocoa – you mean to say he died

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – Because the beep sound in the ending of Night 6 minigame

Kizzycocoa – and his soul somehow left Fredbear’s, found the FNaF2 location and possessed a paper plate?

SonicTHD – Not exactly

SonicTHD – For me Puppet is possessing Fredbear Plushie

Kizzycocoa – impossible. by this point, the Puppet exists.

SonicTHD – Or could be Baby I don’t know, but I believe for now is Puppet

Kizzycocoa – you can’t just unpossess/repossess on will

Kizzycocoa – but The Puppet was already possessed.

SonicTHD – Well, Puppet is the most powerless “animatronic” of the series

SonicTHD – So I think he could be in Fredbear’s when FNaF 2 location was closed

SonicTHD – Before or after

SonicTHD – Well, Puppet (or Baby) possess Fredbear Plushie

SonicTHD – So after his death, he take the soul of the kid and go to FNaF 2 location, which possess Paper Pal Buddy

Kizzycocoa – This is of course, all off the cuff with no proof, though. It’s pretty big straw grasping

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – Yes I know

SonicTHD – But wait

SonicTHD – Paper Pal Budy don’t has any explanation to move, and I don’t think Puppet just take him to the office

SonicTHD – I mean he is a character, and FNaF World confirms that

SonicTHD – So for me he could be Paper Pal Budy

SonicTHD – And also

SonicTHD – Ennard

SonicTHD – Why?

SonicTHD – I believe the animatronics from the FNaF 3 box was caught for the company who made Circus Baby

SonicTHD – And from the box props, they created the animatronics

SonicTHD – New Funtime Foxy based on Funtime Foxy head is a example

Kizzycocoa – problem there, is that all the paper plates move

Kizzycocoa – not in FNaF2

Kizzycocoa – but in FnaF3

SonicTHD – Yes I know

Kizzycocoa – so, who possessed them?

SonicTHD – Wait I will talk more about it

SonicTHD – So, Ennard is pretty like Paper Pal Budy

SonicTHD – which Ennard could be possessed by the FNaF 4 kid

Kizzycocoa – this is going major off topic, though. this is wild speculation

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – Well, the others two

SonicTHD – Could be from another murder in FNaF 4 location

SonicTHD – The FNaF 4 kid is scared by Fredbear

SonicTHD – Not Spring Bonnie or other Original Animatronic, but from Fredbear himself

SonicTHD – Fredbear plushie said “you know what will happen if he catches you”

Kizzycocoa – we have no idea if he’s only scared of Fredbear

SonicTHD – Is like the FNaF 4 kid told or something to the plushie he saw a murder

SonicTHD – Yes, he could be scared by the Shadows

SonicTHD – Or the stage, which is where Fredbear is

SonicTHD – Well, probably he saw a murder

Kizzycocoa – or Spring Bonnie

SonicTHD – And that’s why he don’t likes to be in the backstage

SonicTHD – So, my another speculation is

SonicTHD – He saw other two kids being killed by Purple Guy which is in that location

SonicTHD – And in his mind he saw Fredbear killing, not a guy inside the suit

SonicTHD – And these two kids are Paper Pal Freddy and Bonnie

SonicTHD – I know it’s a big straw-gaspping, but I would to know your opinion about it

SonicTHD – Because is a possibility to explain the Paperpals

SonicTHD – What do you think?

Kizzycocoa – my problem is this line:

Kizzycocoa – “Five children are now linked”

Kizzycocoa – from the newspaper

Kizzycocoa – those two were added to the three other kids

SonicTHD – No, I agree with you about that

SonicTHD – I mean, this murder I told you couldn’t be never mentioned by a newspaper or something, like the FNaF 2 murder

SonicTHD – For me the two kids and five kids newspapers talk about the same murder too

Kizzycocoa – I suppose, but this is wild, wild speculation.

SonicTHD – A lot, but could be a possibility right?

Kizzycocoa – I don’t feel I can disprove it, as there’s simply not enough content to either prove or deny it

Kizzycocoa – it could be possible, but as Scott says we have all the information we need to solve this,I find it highly unlikely.

SonicTHD – I understand

SonicTHD – Well we have now more two topics

Kizzycocoa – so, what should we tackle next then?

SonicTHD – The Shadows origin

Kizzycocoa – as in, the origin of the shadow animatronics?

SonicTHD – So, remember what I said about Paper Pal Freddy and Paper Pal Bonnie straw-gaspping?

SonicTHD – About a secret murder of two kids in Fredbear’s V2?

SonicTHD – So

SonicTHD – What if

SonicTHD – The Springlock incident

SonicTHD – Is not the origin of the Shadows

SonicTHD – And is actually, the incident which Purple Guy get Springlocked in the first time

SonicTHD – In the book

Kizzycocoa – I disagree completely. Purple Guy clearly exists beyond FNaF2

SonicTHD – And the Shadows are the “two kids” killed in FNaF 4

SonicTHD – But and the murder of Puppet kid?

SonicTHD – Or the first five murders, wasn’t him before FNaF 2?

SonicTHD – Because that straw-gaspping of two kids in FNaF 4 could be something

Kizzycocoa – I do not know what the shadows are, myself

Kizzycocoa – they’re a large mystery to me

Kizzycocoa – I don’t know how they fit in

SonicTHD – Because the Purple Guy easter egg and the bare body suit in the backstage

Kizzycocoa – clearly, their motives are good.

SonicTHD – Yeah

SonicTHD – Well, I mean, the Purple Guy easter egg shows he put a person inside of New Spring Bonnie

SonicTHD – And the bare body suit in the backstage shows a little “hair”

Kizzycocoa – oh

Kizzycocoa – I doubt that he intended to kill that guy

Kizzycocoa – I doubt that guy died in that scene

SonicTHD – Could be this when the shadows died and the Springlock incident is the same of the buck?

SonicTHD – I agree

SonicTHD – But there is any chance to the Springlock incident be the same of the book?

SonicTHD – Because if it is, so the FNaF 4 kid controls the three Paperpals, well in my theory, which don’t makes sense :/

Kizzycocoa – I do not recall the Springlock incident in the book clearly

SonicTHD – And the Shadows are kids

Kizzycocoa – I have read the book

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

Kizzycocoa – but I don’t recall the Springlock suits malfunctioning in it

Kizzycocoa – beyond for Purple Guy

SonicTHD – Makes sense

SonicTHD – But it’s interesting how Phone Guy talks about Spring Bonnie’s in the calls of FNaF 3, he never mentioned Spring Freddy or Fredbear

Kizzycocoa – most likely as just 1 suit was moved

Kizzycocoa – not both

SonicTHD – Of course they need it to retired every spring suit, but he talks more about Spring Bonnie

Kizzycocoa – remember, he says they have 2 suits

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – so he does talk about them

Kizzycocoa – if anything, it confirms that it’s the time around the murder

SonicTHD – I agree if it’s the first murder

SonicTHD – The Puppet one

SonicTHD – I’m just don’t like the idea about the Springlock incident is the same of the book

SonicTHD – Because yeah, this could be the official reason about why he killed the kids

SonicTHD – We never knew why he did that

Kizzycocoa – it couldn’t have been the puppet murder. he didn’t use a suit for that murder

SonicTHD – But if the Puppet kid murder was before that incident, so don’t makes sense

SonicTHD – Exactly

SonicTHD – Wait

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

Kizzycocoa – the tapes found in fnaf3 weren’t around the puppet murder era. that happened before that time.

SonicTHD – But before don’t existed Freddy, right?

Kizzycocoa – oh no, Freddy existed before Fredbear

SonicTHD – What?

Kizzycocoa – pretty certain

SonicTHD – But

SonicTHD – FNaF World don’t confirmed Fredbear was the first?

Kizzycocoa – hmm

SonicTHD – I mean like you said: FNaF World is a canonical relevance

Kizzycocoa – well I suppose, fredbear’s could have opened prior to the puppet incident

Kizzycocoa – really, we have little to no info tbh.

SonicTHD – I pretty believe the Puppet murder is in Fredbear & Friends location, which Freddy is in the minigame and the place is Fredbear’s like Scott “confirmed” about his opinion about Matpat video

SonicTHD – which is before Stage 01….

SonicTHD – Because Spring Bonnie….

SonicTHD – Jesus I never think that

SonicTHD – So yeah, he could killed Puppet before Stage 01 location, which was existed in the same time when happened the Springlock incident

SonicTHD – which in the minigame is different to the book, about how he killed Sammy

Kizzycocoa – I have to disagree. it has to be Freddy

Kizzycocoa – the drawing in FNaF2 of Freddy is so similar, I can’t see it as anything but a link

SonicTHD – What do you mean? The Give Cake bear?

SonicTHD – Yeah I agree it’s Freddy too

SonicTHD – He is brown : p

SonicTHD – I mean

Kizzycocoa – exactly

Kizzycocoa – plus, look at this image:

Kizzycocoa –

Kizzycocoa – top right

SonicTHD – We know Stage 01 location is after Fredbear & Friends location, because Phone Guy mentioned Spring Bonnie as Spring

Kizzycocoa – that has to be the minigame Freddy

SonicTHD – Yes I agree totally

SonicTHD – But is like confirmed, because that sprite is the same sprite of Freddy head from Give Life

Kizzycocoa – also, I don’t think F&F was a location

Kizzycocoa – at all

SonicTHD – And in the files is “Freddy”

Kizzycocoa – Oooh

Kizzycocoa – I did not know that

Kizzycocoa – interesting

SonicTHD – For me F&F is a cartoon and a restaurant

SonicTHD – I mean the restaurant is Fredbear’s Family Dinner

SonicTHD – But with the original five of course

SonicTHD – (Five because Cupcake)

SonicTHD – I mean, could existed a Freddy’s with the original five before F&F and Stage 01

SonicTHD – Like Phone Guy said: This characters sings like 20 years

Kizzycocoa – I have to disagree. I believe it has to be just a cartoon

SonicTHD – Why?

Kizzycocoa – well, there’s no evidence for it in any capacity

SonicTHD – The cartoon isn’t technically a evidence?

Kizzycocoa – it’s evidence for a cartoon, but not really anything else

SonicTHD – Well you can be right, because New Spring Bonnie isn’t in the cartoon

Kizzycocoa – I see it only as proof that they existed in the same timeframe in 1983

SonicTHD – Well, to understand the timeline we know: Fredbear was the first, and Stage 01 needs be after the original five

Kizzycocoa – I disagree

Kizzycocoa – I think Stage01 was alongside the first five

Kizzycocoa – the original cast, with Golden Freddy and Golden Bonnie

Kizzycocoa – or, spring bonnie

SonicTHD – So existed a Golden Bonnie?

Kizzycocoa – there were 2 spring Bonnies

Kizzycocoa – well, 3 technically

Kizzycocoa – 2 at fredbears, at least 1 at the location left to rot

SonicTHD – Well, we never saw a evidence to existed a Golden Bonnie

SonicTHD – Because Golden and Spring are totally different

SonicTHD – I mean, one is Springlock and the other is just a animatronic

SonicTHD – I believe existed Spring Freddy because the “we have two special design animatronics”

Kizzycocoa – that makes no sense

Kizzycocoa – ok so

SonicTHD – But a Golden Bonnie with Golden Freddy before Spring Freddy and Spring Bonnie it’s hard…

Kizzycocoa – what bonnie is Springtrap?

SonicTHD – Spring Bonnie

SonicTHD – The first one possibly

Kizzycocoa – from Fredbear’s?

Kizzycocoa – why?

SonicTHD – No, from Freddy’s

Kizzycocoa – so there was a spring bonnie in fnaf1

Kizzycocoa – and we can agree, golden Freddy is also in the fnaf1 location?

SonicTHD – Yes in Safe Room

SonicTHD – No

SonicTHD – Golden Freddy IN FNaF 1 is a ghost

Kizzycocoa – no no no

Kizzycocoa – back like

Kizzycocoa – remember the fnaf3 phone calls

Kizzycocoa – we have 2 suits

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – Golden Freddy wasn’t a spring suit

Kizzycocoa – directed to the rotting fnaf1 location

Kizzycocoa – what?

SonicTHD – That’s why the fandom created Spring Freddy

SonicTHD – Of course

SonicTHD – You never noticed that?

Kizzycocoa – I can’t agree. He has to be a Springlock suit

SonicTHD – Why?

Kizzycocoa – why would we have a half-Springlock generation?

Kizzycocoa – spring bonnie, and normal golden Freddy?

Kizzycocoa – it makes no sense in how they are made

SonicTHD – Well, I think Original Golden Freddy was created in “left to rot” location, to be like the old Spring Freddy but without Spring mechanism, or he was created in Stage 01 to be a replacement of Spring Freddy without Sprig mechanism

Kizzycocoa – why do you think he replaced spring Freddy?

SonicTHD – We never saw Original Golden Freddy, so the example will be Withered Golden Freddy design

Kizzycocoa – why is he not spring Freddy himself?

SonicTHD – Because the spring lock incident possibly

Kizzycocoa – but why would spring bonnie exist at that time then?

SonicTHD – What do you mean? Like he was upgraded?

SonicTHD – Like what happened to the Withereds to be the Classics?

SonicTHD – Is because when we look Withered Golden Freddy, is impossible to he be a spring suit

Kizzycocoa – howso?

SonicTHD – Big feet, four fingers, Endo-02 endoskeleton model, big for a person, possibly heavy, and of course you die when you be inside him like Withered Freddy/Original Freddy

SonicTHD – I believe totally Original Golden Freddy was a real suit

SonicTHD – But I don’t think he was a spring suit

Kizzycocoa – I’m sorry, but I just can’t get behind that idea. I feel it must be a spring animatronic.

Kizzycocoa – the thought that it’s not, that’s thrown me a bit. how can that even be

SonicTHD – So I believe he was created in “left to rot” restaurant to be somehow a replacement of Original Freddy or to act with him, I know its a straw-gaspping but is like the only way

Kizzycocoa – it is very straw grasping.

SonicTHD – I agree

Kizzycocoa – I just, don’t understand it, and can’t get behind that.

SonicTHD – Look Withered gf design

SonicTHD – And Springtrap design

SonicTHD – They’re totally different in questions of animatronic

SonicTHD – Movable hands, five fingers, skinny, possibly not heavy, and a perfect size of a human body

Kizzycocoa – that said, look to Springtrap’s head, and the head in the FNaF4 backroom

SonicTHD – Also the Spring Endoskeleton

Kizzycocoa – it’s not like visual inconsistency isn’t a regular theme

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

Kizzycocoa – the FNaF4 Spring Bonnie head, in the backroom

Kizzycocoa – it doesn’t look like a Springtrap head.

SonicTHD – Yeah I know, what he means?

Kizzycocoa – it looks more related to Golden Freddy

Kizzycocoa – that style of head

SonicTHD – What?

SonicTHD – So, you mean New Spring Bonnie was from a location with Original Golden Freddy?

SonicTHD – But we never saw that

Kizzycocoa – I’m saying, the spring bonnie head seem is more relatable to FNaF1

SonicTHD – Hmmm

Kizzycocoa – so there is precedent for the head shapes to be different per pair of golden/spring animatronics

SonicTHD – But how? Golden Freddy has four fingers and Endo-02

Kizzycocoa – Well, do we know if Fredbear has 5 fingers?

SonicTHD – For me Fredbear had five fingers

SonicTHD – I know there is a hand which shows four fingers

SonicTHD – But I think that hand has 5 fingers, but the fifth finger is hidden, because perspective

Kizzycocoa – actually, proof points to 4

Kizzycocoa – yeah

Kizzycocoa – the hand

Kizzycocoa – hidden, where?

SonicTHD – Can I send a image here?

Kizzycocoa – I got the image

Kizzycocoa –

SonicTHD – Not that

SonicTHD – Showing the “hidden” finger

SonicTHD – I will send wait

Kizzycocoa – I do not know that image

SonicTHD –

SonicTHD – I made for a guy

SonicTHD – The hidden finger is the short finger, which can be explained why he is “hidden”

Kizzycocoa – I doubt this is correct. Scott would have made the fingers clear

Kizzycocoa –

Kizzycocoa – see how he shows the different finger colours here?

Kizzycocoa – he’d have done that, if there were 5

Kizzycocoa – aha

Kizzycocoa – here’s another one

SonicTHD – Well makes sense, but is like impossible if Fredbear has four finger and be a Springlock suit

Kizzycocoa –

Kizzycocoa – there are 4 fingers there too

SonicTHD – Oh, a Endo-02 arm

Kizzycocoa – same room as the other

SonicTHD – But how? Spring animatronics cant have four fingers

Kizzycocoa – why not?

SonicTHD – Because is like impossible

SonicTHD – To put two fingers in one and move the hand

SonicTHD – In real life there is some Chuck & Cheese suits which have four fingers

SonicTHD – But their hands are so big

SonicTHD – And Fredbear’s hand can be like a tinny big than Springtrap hand, but is like impossible due the circumstances

Kizzycocoa – I suppose that Disneyland really is a place of magic, then

Kizzycocoa –

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – Hmmm

SonicTHD – But, this is a costume right?

Kizzycocoa – yes.

SonicTHD – Not a robot?

Kizzycocoa – robot costume

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

SonicTHD – About Mickey or Fredbear?

Kizzycocoa – Fredbear

SonicTHD – Hmm….

Kizzycocoa – I mean, it’s not impossible to believe that they could merge 2 fingers, like they do in Disneyland

SonicTHD – The fact there is a Endo-02 hand in the place is strange

SonicTHD – Possibly the animatronics aren’t Springs?

SonicTHD – They could be costumes or something?

SonicTHD – This could explain why the game could be in 87

Kizzycocoa – I don’t get how you’re connecting these to the endo 02 model. Why are you connecting them to that model?

SonicTHD – Because the metal hand you send here it was like the Endo-02

SonicTHD – I mean, the same silver metal of Endoskeleton head from Backstage is like Endo-02

SonicTHD – If this Endoskeleton isn’t the same model of him, so the animatronics can’t be worn

Kizzycocoa – well, seeing as the one on stage is the same as the costume

SonicTHD – Because is a kinda impossible to put two fingers in one of the costume, because the Endoskeleton

Kizzycocoa – I doubt it’s Endo-02

SonicTHD – So it’s a new Spring Endoskeleton?

SonicTHD – which isn’t a “Spring”, and uses a new technology for wear the suits?

Kizzycocoa – tbh, I’d suggest that endo02 is Golden Freddy’s endoskeleton

Kizzycocoa – that’s what I think he is

Kizzycocoa – so your comparison actually makes sense to me

SonicTHD – You mean the model of the Endo of Withered Golden Freddy or the Endo-02 is his endo?

Kizzycocoa – who’s endoskeleton is endo02’s, otherwise?

Kizzycocoa – the latter

SonicTHD – The second?

Kizzycocoa – endo02 = Golden Freddy’s endoskeleton

SonicTHD – How if Withered Golden Freddy has a endoskeleton?

Kizzycocoa – we already know that’s a hallucination/ghost

SonicTHD –

SonicTHD – I think Withered Golden Freddy is a ghost and a suit

SonicTHD – But Classic is a 100% ghost

SonicTHD – But we are off the topic

Kizzycocoa – actually

Kizzycocoa – that said, the models look different

Kizzycocoa – I’m comparing endo02 and the 2nd anniversary springtrap image

Kizzycocoa – different models

SonicTHD – Exactly

SonicTHD – The anniversary image confirmed Spring Endoskeleton for the first time

SonicTHD – which isn’t the Endoskeleton of Withered Golden Freddy

Kizzycocoa – actually, there are similarities

SonicTHD – which isn’t the same of Original GF

SonicTHD – which Original GF isn’t a spring suit

SonicTHD – Just if Endo-02 is a “spring” endoskeleton

SonicTHD – which could be a totally plot twist

Kizzycocoa – well

Kizzycocoa – we’ve strayed so far now, you’re right

SonicTHD – Well, so…

Kizzycocoa – I guess

Kizzycocoa – I don’t know entirely.

SonicTHD – What we’re talking about in the beginning? :p

Kizzycocoa – the models look similar, in ways

Kizzycocoa – still, that said

Kizzycocoa – we were talking about the shadows

SonicTHD – Oh yeah

SonicTHD – So, is possibly the Springlock incident is after the Puppet murder, no?

SonicTHD – Oh yeah, we was talking about Fredbear & Friends

SonicTHD – So, going back now : p

SonicTHD – We don’t know exactly if existed a restaurant before Stage 01 with the original five

Kizzycocoa – I think, the Springlock incident had to be after the puppet and child deaths

Kizzycocoa – but before fnaf2

Kizzycocoa – again, mostly due to my thoughts on where FNaF4’s minigames take place

SonicTHD – Well, I think the MCI is after stage 01 and the Springlock incident

SonicTHD – Because Stage 01 is the same location of “left to rot” restaurant, but like I said, in different times

SonicTHD – And the “left to rot” is the same of Go Foxy, with the Pirate Cove and Original Foxy

Kizzycocoa – yes

Kizzycocoa – but I believe Golden Freddy etc. were active during the original 4 being active

SonicTHD – But here a question:

SonicTHD – If existed the Original Five before Stage 01, why the minigame is called “Stage 01”? And why literally exists Stage 01 restaurant with Spring Bonnie, Spring Freddy and Golden Cupcake?

SonicTHD – I mean, Stage 01 name means “the first stage of Freddy’s”, right?

SonicTHD – So, how if the original five was the first stage, this stage should be Stage 02

Kizzycocoa – I believe it to be the original location

Kizzycocoa – FNaF1

SonicTHD – Also why exists Spring Freddy and Spring Bonnie in this stage, why the original five should still there?

SonicTHD – Yes

SonicTHD – That’s why I believe in the Fredbear & Friends restaurant

SonicTHD – Because first they created Fredbear

SonicTHD – After in the same location created the original five

SonicTHD – And in the 80s created Stage 01 location, a “spin-off” location based on the secondary characters of F&F, Freddy, Bonnie and Cupcake

SonicTHD – And after F&F created they own Spring Bonnie, and happened the Springlock incident

SonicTHD – I think it’s like that

Kizzycocoa – I see. I am unsure exactly how I view the early progression, but I do strongly believe that they existed in the same location, performing at the same time

SonicTHD – Hmmm

Kizzycocoa – but, I absolutely reject the idea of a F&F location

Kizzycocoa – that is completely unsubstantiated.

SonicTHD – I understand

SonicTHD – So, how it’s your timeline exactly?

SonicTHD – I mean before FNaF 2

Kizzycocoa – again, early fnaf, I’m not sure which came first.

Kizzycocoa – let me think a bit.

SonicTHD – Okay :v

SonicTHD – Just a remember: Fredbear was the first character made by FNaF World, and Stage 01 is after the creation of the original five, because Phone Guy says Spring Bonnie, like existed a original one before

Kizzycocoa – I think

Kizzycocoa – due to the comics, Fredbear etc. had to exist first.

Kizzycocoa – then a second location was opened, FFP. this, alongside Fredbear’s

Kizzycocoa – it had the original cast, plus the 2 Springlock suits. how they came to pass in that time period, not sure

Kizzycocoa – then the first 5 murders

Kizzycocoa – the location is left to rot, while Fredbear continues.

Kizzycocoa – then the first launch of FFP2 happens, during which, the Fredbear Bite occurs.

Kizzycocoa – then, the grand relaunch happened, until the Mangle bite, at which point, the location closed. Then, FNaF1, then purple guy is springtrapped, then fnaf3

Kizzycocoa – that’s my timeline

SonicTHD – Hmmm okay

SonicTHD – I think we’re almost finish it

SonicTHD – The final topic I want to talk about some characters

SonicTHD – First about Golden Freddy

SonicTHD – What do you think he is, a ghost or a suit?

Kizzycocoa – both. I feel he is a suit that was possessed, but is in suit mode, so can only “project” himself via haunting.

SonicTHD – I agree, well I kinda

SonicTHD – Original Golden Freddy is 100% suit

SonicTHD – Withered Golden Freddy is a suit and a ghost

Kizzycocoa – Ooooh

Kizzycocoa – going that far into it

SonicTHD – Because we know Original was a suit

Kizzycocoa – in that case, all ghosts. all seen instances are ghosts

Kizzycocoa – but he does exist as a suit

Kizzycocoa – for certain

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – he was even used in FNaF2

SonicTHD – No

Kizzycocoa – “someone used one of the suits”

Kizzycocoa – “spare in the back – a yellow one”

SonicTHD – Yes, but the suit could be Fredbear or Spring Freddy

Kizzycocoa – to me, Spring Bonnie was already locked away

Kizzycocoa – I persist that Fredbear has never been in a FFP location

Kizzycocoa – only Golden Freddy and Spring Bonnie, who at that point is locked away

SonicTHD – It can’t be Golden because he isn’t a Spring suit like I said, but if Purple Guy tooked of the hands, he would die because the metal parts, or because the soul wouldn’t let him use him

Kizzycocoa – well, on that case, we’re going to need to agree to disagree

SonicTHD – Yes

Kizzycocoa – I can’t imagine Golden Freddy not being a Springlock suit

Kizzycocoa – especially due to the FNaF3 phone call

SonicTHD – But I think he was a real suit because his plushie

SonicTHD – I know, custom night possibly isn’t canon, but I think he prizes are canons

Kizzycocoa – not really.

Kizzycocoa – but still

SonicTHD – So if the plushie is canon, so means merchandise, which means the company made him

Kizzycocoa – he had to exist.

SonicTHD – And of course, Puppet need it to hide a body inside him

Kizzycocoa – fnaf3 phone calls

Kizzycocoa – exactly

SonicTHD – which explains his Drawing smelling in FNaF 2

SonicTHD – BUT, Classic Golden Freddy is 100% a ghost

Kizzycocoa – all appearances are ghosts

SonicTHD – No, I mean there isn’t any suit of Classic GF

SonicTHD – Can I explain?

SonicTHD – Withered kills you, and you go to game over screen

SonicTHD – Right?

Kizzycocoa – sure, but again, I must disagree

Kizzycocoa – yes

SonicTHD – But Classic crashes your game

SonicTHD – Like Shadow Toy Bonnie

SonicTHD – With any game over screen

Kizzycocoa – I don’t believe I understand your point

SonicTHD – I think this means heart attack

SonicTHD – But wait there is more

Kizzycocoa – sorry, I’ve still no idea

SonicTHD – You know good and bad ending right?

Kizzycocoa – yes?

SonicTHD – Well

SonicTHD – In bad ending we see Classic GF in the back

SonicTHD – With a light, means the soul is there

SonicTHD – But in good ending we don’t see a head of him

SonicTHD – Or even in Fazbear Fright location, there is any head been a lamp like the others

Kizzycocoa – it may just be in the dark

SonicTHD – which means: the head don’t exists

SonicTHD – Means: the Classic suit don’t exists

SonicTHD – That’s my theory about it

Kizzycocoa – but then, where is Fredbear’s head?

SonicTHD – Oh

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – Probably left to rot

SonicTHD – In the FNaF 4 location

Kizzycocoa – like classic GF’s head?

SonicTHD – Or maybe is in FNaF 2 location again, left to rot

Kizzycocoa – left to rot in an evidence locker for the murders in the FNaF2 location

SonicTHD – No, like Withered GF

SonicTHD – Withered and Original exists

SonicTHD – But the Classic don’t

Kizzycocoa – I don’t understand what you mean?

SonicTHD – I mean the Classic exists, but a ghost, like the Shadows

SonicTHD – I mean, Original Golden Freddy was a suit created in the past

Kizzycocoa – I’m sorry, I’m just not grasping what you’re trying to say

Kizzycocoa – this brings the count to 3 golden Freddy variations?

SonicTHD – So he get possessed, and somehow, probably because Give Life, about Puppet don’t technically don’t give life to him, he turns into a half suit and half ghost

SonicTHD – But in FNaF 1 he left the Withered suit and turns into a ghost like the Shadows

Kizzycocoa – sorry, you’ve completely lost me.

SonicTHD – Why the restaurant don’t remake the Withered suit like the others? Probably because in that time it was unused

SonicTHD – Okay wait

SonicTHD – Original Golden Freddy – Suit

Withered Golden Freddy – Suit and Ghost

Classic Golden Freddy – Ghost

Kizzycocoa – I’d argue all 3 are the same models, but different states

SonicTHD – Yeah…

SonicTHD – The same suit, but in different times

Kizzycocoa – yes, so the first does exist

SonicTHD – Like Original, Withered and Classic Freddy’s

SonicTHD – Yes, and the second

Kizzycocoa – it is a thing that in the timeline, exists

Kizzycocoa – even if never seen

Kizzycocoa – sorry, *3rd

Kizzycocoa – tbh all exist in some capacity

SonicTHD – Well in how Scott says, the last one don’t

SonicTHD – I think you get confused, Original = Un-Withereds

Kizzycocoa – howso? the last is the same as the fnaf1 and fnaf2 models

Kizzycocoa – uh

Kizzycocoa – so tell me

SonicTHD – Hm

Kizzycocoa – how did the withered golden Freddy exist

Kizzycocoa – did they make it look withered

Kizzycocoa – that’s how it’s meant to look?

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – What do you mean?

SonicTHD – He is Withered like the other four

SonicTHD – He is a real suit, but technically a ghost too

Kizzycocoa – the fact a withered GF exists, means an unwithered one exists

Kizzycocoa – :u

SonicTHD – Yeah

Kizzycocoa – which would be the classic model

SonicTHD – No

Kizzycocoa – no?

SonicTHD – The Classic isn’t the Un-Withered

SonicTHD – Wait I will show to you a image

Kizzycocoa – ok!

SonicTHD –

SonicTHD – I think now will be more easy to understand

Kizzycocoa – so, my thoughts are this

Kizzycocoa – classic = unwithered, though the suit is not at the FNaF1 location. it is likely in police custody.

SonicTHD – Hmmmm

SonicTHD – Well

Kizzycocoa – I don’t doubt, if it existed, the suit would not look like the classic suit at that time

SonicTHD – Yeah I agree

Kizzycocoa – but I believe them to all be the same model

SonicTHD – I understand

SonicTHD – Well second character: Original and Classic Foxy

SonicTHD – I have a friend which said these two Foxy’s

SonicTHD – Never had the leg suit part

SonicTHD – Because “they are pirates”

SonicTHD – Do you agree with that?

Kizzycocoa – what leg suit part?

SonicTHD – Wait I will make another image fast

SonicTHD –

SonicTHD – Like that

SonicTHD – He said this because Foxy is a pirate and he should be a kinda “withered”

Kizzycocoa – OH, I see.

SonicTHD – And his sprite in Go Foxy, which don’t has legs

SonicTHD – Do you agree with this?

Kizzycocoa – I’d disagree. He seems to have been stylised like that

Kizzycocoa – I’d agree with you

SonicTHD – I agree with you

SonicTHD – Lol :p

Kizzycocoa – :P

SonicTHD – Well third: Golden and Shadow Cupcake

SonicTHD – Do you think they’re real?

Kizzycocoa – nope

SonicTHD – Why?

Kizzycocoa – there is no proof for them existing beyond 1 easter egg and 1 minigame activation thing

SonicTHD – I believe the Golden Cupcake is from Stage 01, and the Shadow is just a hallucination character created by Shadow Bonnie

SonicTHD – Like the Toy Bonnie burned figure

Kizzycocoa – I’ve not seen anyone holding the yellow cupcake

SonicTHD – I agree, but isn’t technically a explanation why he exists in FNaF 3

SonicTHD – So I think it’s a prop of Spring Bonnie

Kizzycocoa – nope. There’s also no explanation as to why the worm character exists in FNaF4. doesn’t mean he had to have been an animatronic

SonicTHD – I’m the type of guy which believes Markipler and Dawko animatronics from FNaC and PGS means something : p

SonicTHD – Well, it’s a possibility

Kizzycocoa – I don’t :P

Kizzycocoa – they’re easter eggs

SonicTHD – I know

SonicTHD – Well, the final thing: Phantoms and Nightmares

SonicTHD – Do you believe the Phantoms could be the ghosts of the Toys?

SonicTHD – I made a big theory about that

SonicTHD – I mean the souls of the toys

Kizzycocoa – nightmares are clearly from the FNaF4’s protagonist’s fears. The Phantoms I believe to be 100% hallucinations

SonicTHD – which never had a ending

SonicTHD – I understand

SonicTHD – But about the nightmares

SonicTHD – I’m want to talk specially about Nightmare

SonicTHD – What do you think he is?

Kizzycocoa – ah

Kizzycocoa – him

SonicTHD – Shadow Freddy representation? The bite? Golden Freddy? puppet?

Kizzycocoa – I’m not too sure. I’d say he represents seeing an employee in a suit in the backroom.

Kizzycocoa – but, the protagonists of the FNaF4 minigames/games, I am unsure of. not ure if they’re the same person

SonicTHD – I think is the brother

SonicTHD – And Nightmare could be Golden Freddy representation, or the soul himself

SonicTHD – Is what I think

SonicTHD – but if he is Shadow Freddy, why he would be him?

Kizzycocoa – possibly. I don’t have a big handle on who he is

Kizzycocoa – but I don’t think it’s shadow Freddy, at all

Kizzycocoa – that’s a different entity alltogether

SonicTHD – I thinked about if he FNaF 4 protagonist is Purple Guy, and Nightmare is Shadow Freddy because he technically caused his death

SonicTHD – which could be represent Golden Freddy too because he killed him too

SonicTHD – But the FNaF 1 phone call means it’s Mike, so it can’t be Purple Guy

SonicTHD – But, I agree it’s another entity

Kizzycocoa – nah, I don’t think he’s Purple Guy

SonicTHD – I agree, is just something interesting I thinked now

SonicTHD – I think he is the brother, which is Mike

SonicTHD – So yeah, I think we’re done :p

Kizzycocoa – again, possibly, but I don’t know a lot abnout the fnaf4 protagonists

Kizzycocoa – yeah, it’s getting late. it’s like, 2:45AM here!

Kizzycocoa – a good talk! :U

SonicTHD – Jesus!

SonicTHD – Sorry for something and be so long :v

Kizzycocoa – no problem. I’ve been up longer :P

Kizzycocoa – ok, so I’ll end on two other questions!

SonicTHD – It’s was a awesome discussion!

SonicTHD – Okay

Kizzycocoa – if you could ask Scott one question, what would it be?

SonicTHD – Hmmm

SonicTHD – It’s a hard one…

SonicTHD – I would ask why the Paperpals move

SonicTHD – I think that’s it

SonicTHD – Or

SonicTHD – What is Nightmare

SonicTHD – One of the two

SonicTHD – : p

Kizzycocoa – ok! well then, I guess there’s a second question. I believe you make theories regularly. Where would people find these theories?

SonicTHD – I post my theories on subreddit and the facebook brazillian page of FNaF and other groups of FNaF on facebook too

Kizzycocoa – ok, well, it was good talking with you! :)

SonicTHD – I loved talk with you too!