I like the expression 'casual trekkie'; that would work for me. A TV-channel meant for old scifi and fantasy movies and series is constantly airing reruns of Voyager and TNG, so quite often I find myself sitting and watching these two. Because it was such a big part of my childhood I always feel enormously compfy and at home when watching them. But we habe a Professor at University from America who is a die-hard-Trekkie and who even holds seminars on them (Last year, for example: How ST was influenced by war America was involved in). Or she always uses Klingon to explain the difference between static and dynamic descriptions in grammar and writing, making jokes how 'To be or not to be' could possibly sound in Klingon (as they have no form of 'to be', apparantely). Compared to her and the people in these lectures I can't dare to call myself a Trekkie. *caugh*But I wholeheartedly agree with you as a casual trekkie that its different watchingthe franchise when adult. It's obvious that they were putting in effort and thought, even though some instances still just show the mindset of the time. ( I mean... the women's uniforms in ST is just one of the examples that bugs me when watching it now) It annoys me sometimes, but I can't really blame it on them too much. It's hard to fully detach a series from the time it is shown in. But I also like to see that the more mordern the different spin-offs are, the less often such casual sexisms and the like are there. I think that its considerably rare in the Voyager, for example. (Or I'm just not seeing at as much because of rose-coloured glasses. Hm.)I think I rewatched the first movie twice before watching the second, and I think it wasn't until the third rewatch that I could put my finger on what exactly it is that bugs me because it is less apparent in the first movie. The romance isn't shown until very close to the end, though implied earlier. But I think it was the fact how much of her scenes revolved around Kirk trying to flirt with her. It is, of cause, considerably worse in the second movie. On thetop of my head I couldn't name a scene that wasn't in a way about her relationship with Spock either. I'm not sure, but I think it was somewhere in the Klingons-scene, too. (Which, you know, is kind of my favourite part of the movie because she rocks it there and I really saw the Uhura from the old series there. And... because I just can't help but have a soft spot for Klingons eversince Whorf.) And _thank you_ for that WTF there. I was watching it with friends and was a bit (as in, a lot) upset when I saw it in cinema. I had a hard time holding back a rant then and there on how wrong that scene was, but nobody else seemed to get why and I was beginning to think that I was kind of overreacting already. Sheesh. It was that scene alone that made me wish that they'd just cut it and not make anyone romantically involved in the damn movies anymore, not kirk or spock and decidedly not uhura. I argued about that with a friend who is a trekkie and surprisingly didn't mind that. He said that, aside from the fact that a romance-sub-plot is standard in Hollywood and that its hard to find even one movie without it, they were hoping to get the movie to be more interesting to a broader audience with this. Which, by the way, angered me a bit. The other argument he brought is that they probably did this to show that the characters are much younger than in the old series. They stressed that several times in the first movie, too, and there seemingly is nothing like hormons to stress young age. I can't say that I like it, but I'd rather have this argumentation than the one that she's a girl and is bound to fall for someone. As I often get the vibe from movies. But. Frustration and love mingles, so I agree: I love the new movies, too. And i still think that overall they did a good job.And thank you for this conversation. It considerably brightened up my mood. It's conversations like these that make dA such a good place for me.