



What is FEMA?



Federal Emergency Management Agency

The Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, initially created by Presidential Order on April 1, 1979. The primary purpose of FEMA is to coordinate the response to a disaster that has occurred in the United States and that overwhelms the resources of local and state authorities. The governor of the state in which the disaster occurs must declare a state of emergency and formally request from the president that FEMA and the federal government respond to the disaster. FEMA also provides these services for territories of the United States, such as Puerto Rico. The only exception is when an emergency or disaster occurs on federal property or to a federal asset, for example, the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, or the Space Shuttle Columbia in the 2003 return-flight disaster.



The most recent notable example of FEMA’s ability to manage emergencies was their apparent general incompetence, in regards to the Katrina response. I personally know modern day hippies that were more prepared and well organized that FEMA deputized them as a location to receive aid.

Hurricane Katrina: FEMA

Hurricane Katrina



Although FEMA was not directly involved in the house to house gun confiscation, or the deliberate destruction of at least one levee, they are the ones calling the shots on scene. As a result of FEMA’s response their director Brown did resign as head of FEMA, and pointed to the DHS in sharing the responsibility. Homeland Security director Micheal Chertoff lies about his departments prior knowledge leading up to the event, and mentions the levees breaking. It is possible the did not know they had been intentionally destroyed by the Army Corps of engineers, flooding the 9th ward to save the more valuable real estate. Though I would image the agencies were working together during the crisis. Could we expect anything less then lies from Chertoff the co-author of the PATRIOT act?

Patriot Act Being Used Against a 16 Year Old Boy & its Own Citizens !

Michael Chertoff The Man & His Star-Crossed Past

One of the little known aspects inside all the secrecy surrounding The vile National ID Card, the HOMELAND Security Act, and the shadowy FEMA camps that many believe are about to be used-concerns the other master criminals that Cheney-Bush hired to ensure that Americans will become as completely controlled a population, as were the people of Communist East Germany or the old USSR.

The National Guard was also involved, or perhaps engaged during Katrina. Their job was to render the population defenses during a dangerous time when being able to protect your family and property was crucial. Does this set a precedent for future events? In time of crisis the National Guard will come in and relieve the people of their right to bear arms. For your own protection FEMA will be right behind them ready to usher the people off to some sort of comfortable emergency relocation facility.



Criticism of government response to Hurricane Katrina

Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, National Guard troops, and US Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. “No one will be able to be armed,” Compass said. “Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns.”

Firearms Confiscation

Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie’s shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm Even National Guard troops, armed with assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.

National Guard Confiscating Guns in New Orleans

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, “What we’ve seen in Louisiana – the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster – is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves.” The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SA F on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.

I find it interesting that Eddie Compass was later forced to resign. His actions in Katrina lead to a lawsuit, injunction and eventually a temporary restraining order against the gun-grabbing. The end result of this was the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006. I felt it was worth mentioning how the agency handles emergencies, with specific regards towards the general population. If the government can use social and economic disasters to their advantage, why would they not do the same with natural disasters? Or perhaps FEMA’s actions reflect they are preparing for a different sort of emergency. The emerging social emergency caused by refugees, immigrants, and possible civil unrest.









What is a FEMA camp?

I could narrow it down to some facility controlled by FEMA. Though since FEMA was absorbed by the DHS in 2003, perhaps it should now be DHS/FEMA Camps



Federal Emergency Management Agency

Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, Congress passed the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which created the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to better coordinate among the different federal agencies that deal with law enforcement, disaster preparedness and recovery, border protection and civil defense. FEMA was absorbed into DHS in 2003. As a result, FEMA became part of the Emergency Preparedness and Response Directorate of Department of Homeland Security, and employs more than 2,600 full time employees.

It would seem that DHS camps will soon be a reality.



Homeland Security To Build Detention Camps In The United States

Contract awarded to Halliburton subsidiary KBR.

ARLINGTON, Va.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Jan. 24, 2006–KBR announced today that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component has awarded KBR an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) contingency contract to support ICE facilities in the event of an emergency. KBR is the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton (NYSE:HAL). The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.

Halliburton & KBR Win Bids To Build Detention Camps in US

Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps – NAM

The contract — announced Jan. 24 by the engineering and construction firm KBR — calls for preparing for “an emergency influx of immigrants, or to support the rapid development of new programs” in the event of other emergencies, such as “a natural disaster.” The release offered no details about where Halliburton was to build these facilities, or when.

ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs.

That last sentence is very important to tie in the historical basis for the FEMA camp story, it is almost a direct quote from REX84 Operation Cable Splicer.





Lets begin with REX84

Oliver North Questioned – Rex 84 Exposed During Iran Contra

REX-84 and Night Train 84, were drafted and run by FEMA’s contact person with the National Security Agency, one Lt. Col. Oliver North.

Oliver North won’t go to prison even though he lied to Congress, shredded White House documents and accepted a $14,000 security fence from an Iran-contra arms profiteer. His punishment of 1,200 hours of community service, $150,000 fine and three years’ suspended sentence doesn’t fit his felonies. Even a brief imprisonment might have inspired more public officials to comply with the law and legitimate inquiries from Congress. Perhaps uniquely among convicted felons, Mr. North escapes prison largely because he still will not acknowledge that what he did was a crime and a perversion of public service.

Rex 84

The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan; otherwise known as a continuity of government plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies, along with other NATO nations, conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in civil defense.

More specifically the two subprograms, the first ‘Operation Cable Splicer’ and second ‘Operation Garden Plot’

Operation Cable Splicer

Operation Cable Splicer is a subprogram of the Rex 84 Program, which “was established on the reasoning that if a ‘mass exodus’ of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.”

Homeland Security Detention Center- Taylor TX.

Operation Cable Splicer is “the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.



ICE Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S.

So it seems to be they are still using the same play book, despite the name change. Now what about this ‘Operation Garden Plot’?

Operation Garden Plot

The official name of this project is called “Operation Garden Plot.” Under this plan for the deployment of Operation Garden Plot, the use of CIDCON-1 will be mandatory. This direct support of civil disturbance control operations is to be used by the Army, USAF, Navy, and Marine Corp. with an airlift force to be comprised of MAC Organic Airlift Resources, airlift capable aircraft of all other USAF major commands, and all other aerial reconnaissance and Airborne Psychological Operations. This is to include control communications systems, aeromedical evacuation, helicopter and Weather Support Systems.

Operation Garden Plot Activated

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters. Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.

“to support the rapid development of new programs”

Operation Garden Plot

2 TAB A APPENDIX 1 TO ANNEX S USAF CIVIL DISTURBANCE PLAN 55-2 EXHIBIT POR:SGH, JCS Pub 6, Vol 5, AFR 160-5 hereby provides for America’s military and the National Guard State Partnership Program to join with United Nations personal in said operations. This links selected U.S. National Guard units with the Defense Ministries of “Partnership For Peace.” This was done in an effort to provide military support to civil authorities in response to civil emergencies. Under Presidential Decision Directive No. 25, this program serves to cement people to relationships between the citizens of the United States, and the global military of the UN establishments of the emerging democracies of Central and Eastern European countries. This puts all of our National Guardsmen under the direct jurisdiction of the United Nations.

I read this over and again and it still blows me away. Foreign troops given power to police American soil. Read it again and be sure to note ‘Civil Disturbance Plan’. What sort of emergency where the existing measures could warrant an international response? Consider a major catastrophic event on a nation wide scale, something many times more devastating then Katrina. Would you feel comfortable with martial law consisting of our own troops? This provides for martial law where the police are not even U.S. citizens. Could it be they know they can not count on American troops to fire on the people they are trained to protect? I’m sure those who feel no bond toward the people of the US would have much less of a problem with that.



What is happening today which might require some sort of military intervention? Seems the U.S. is suffering a bit of financial trouble. Many people overextended themselves and have left their homes for the shelter of tents, which has caused tent cities to pop up around America. Meanwhile south of the border Mexico is dripping with blood, 5,000 drug murders in 2008, and martial law is in effect to battle the cartels.

Martial Law In Juarez Mexico

Schwarzenegger Sets Up Homeland Security “Camps” for Homeless (and those who will be rounded up later)

American Tent Cities

Schwarzenegger To Provide Government Camps For Homeless

Plans to shut down tent cities in California and relocate homeless people to government-run facilities have stoked fears that the move could be a pretext for a wider internment of Americans in the event of a total economic collapse

That story mentions “A new bill introduced in Congress authorizes the Department of Homeland Security to set up a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency.” Perhaps all of those alleged FEMA camps on military bases require a bit more legitimacy. The bill could ‘grandfather in’ what may be existing facilities like those known to exist at Camp Grayling.

GovTrack: H.R. 645: Text of Legislation, Introduced in House National Emergency Centers Establishment Act

If passed this legislation would allow the DHS to establish national emergency centers on military installations. According to the text “not fewer than 6” on any installation. These emergency centers save the trouble of building camps by using existing infrastructure for our own good. The closed military installations can be transfered to the control of Homeland Security. Until this passes Halliburton will be profiting from the guaranteed event of a massive influx of illegal immigrants or “planned acts of violence or civil disobedience which, are seized upon by a dedicated group of dissidents who plan and incite purposeful acts designed to disrupt social order”. Maybe we can hope KBR lobbies against the bill so they continue to receive tax-payer money to build shiny new camps, which will take much longer but at least future detainees will have modern facilities.

Federal emergency planning consists of taking it’s problems and moving them into nice facilities. Emerging threats include militants, right-wing extremists, white-supremacists, and maybe someone you know who is stockpiling food just in case they don’t want to depend on Homeland Security to take care of them in an emergency. They can’t have people taking care of themselves when times get tough.

Epoch Times – Homeland Security Warns of Right wing Extremists

The similarities between the social and economic situation in the 1990s to the current situation are a growing concern to the DHS. Back then there was a growth in violent acts from the groups against government facilities, law enforcement officers, and infrastructure sectors.

Kissinger: Obama Will Create A New World Order

These same issues are becoming even more of a concern for these groups, as the current world state is bringing them to the culmination of their conspiracies. “Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States,” the report says.

We Are Under Martial Law! As Declared By The Speaker Last Night! Rep Burgess

The report concludes that the DHS will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to find out more about rightwing extremists activity in the United States “with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.”

Here we have the DHS who has the plans for martial law. The executive orders and the PATRIOT Act which result in the suspension of the U.S. Constitution. Now the creation of citizen camps which are being used to house victims of a failed economy. Though the media is calling people who know about it ‘Conspiracy theorists’.

Glen Beck and Popular Mechanics – the truth stops here.

Ironically by attempting to disprove what they consider conspiracy theories, they have confirmed their position. At best they are failed journalists, and at worst they deliberately deceive the public.



CNN Host calls for Military to Silence any Domestic Dissent in America

Complaints and demands for a retraction and an apology are flooding CNN today after Neo-Con host Glenn Beck and ex-Marxist David Horowitz smeared Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive.

Didn’t that ‘Operation Garden Plot’ mention something about using the military to silence dissidents?

Operation Garden Plot

If any civil disturbance by a resistance group, religious organization, or other persons considered to be non-conformist takes place, under Appendix 3 to Annex B of Plan 55-2 hereby gives all Federal forces total power over the situation if local and state authorities cannot put down said dissenters.



Annex A, section B of Operation Garden Plot defines tax protesters, militia groups, religious cults, and general anti-government dissenters as Disruptive Elements. This calls for the deadly force to be used against any extremist or dissident perpetrating any and all forms of civil disorder.

DNC Protesters Detained In Camps

Militia

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.”

— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on

Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788

Popular mechanics has already stuck its neck out once before in an attempt to debunk theories. What they showed us is either a lack of research, or a willingness to avoid the real facts and inconsistencies surrounding the official story of 9/11.

Popular Mechanics’ Assault on 9/11 Truth

This sounds impressive, but the article provides no evidence to back up these claims. It provides no footnotes to source its many assertions, and despite the scores of experts listed in its final section the article cites only a handful of them, and mostly to refute its straw-man claims. Moreover, bold unsubstantiated claims in the article — such as PM’s assertion that there was only a single interception in the decade before 9/11/01 — don’t inspire confidence in PM’s professional fact checkers. It echoes the discredited assertions of official reports such as FEMA’s World Trade Center Building Performance Study and the 9/11 Commission Report. It provides no evidence PM investigated the attack — only evidence that it investigated the 9/11 Truth movement in order to determine how best to discredit it through misrepresentation.



Already this Hearst publication has lived up to its ‘Yellow Journalism‘ history. It seems they have done it again in this recent attempt to ‘debunk’ the FEMA camps. They investigated the conspiracy theories, without bothering to do any legitimate research.

Glenn Beck Invites James “Yellow Journalism” Meigs To Debunk FEMA Camps

Despite admitting that they haven’t deeply researched the issue, Meigs makes it clear that they have already decided it “isn’t true” – proving once again that the whole process isn’t about really getting to the bottom of the issue, it’s about debunking a perfectly provable fact by means of strawman tactics and deceitful reasoning. “It looks from our early reporting like a classic conspiracy theory,” claims Meigs, adding, “Little grains of truth all adding up to something that really isn’t true.”

So what did they say exactly about the FEMA camps?

Debunking The FEMA Concentration Camp conspiracies Part 1

FOXNews.com – Debunking Web Myths About FEMA Camps – Glenn Beck

what we did was we looked into these claims. You know, you can’t go and visit every one of the 600 sites that some of these conspiracy theorists claim.

They took some popular examples of unfounded claims (conspiracy theories) and debunked them, just as they did with the 9/11 story. If I found someone on the internet that claimed the moon was really made of cheese, and spent five minutes going over how they were wrong, have I really done any debunking?

we started looking at the ones that are most popular on the Internet.

The first debunked FEMA camp is the Amtrak repair facility in Beach Grove, Indiana .

FOXNews.com – Debunking Web Myths About FEMA Camps – Glenn Beck

MEIGS: Well, it is not very hard to find, like many of these things. The truth is actually fairly evident. This is an Amtrak repair facility in Beach Grove, Indiana.

The woman who made this video initially claimed that it’s some kind of American Auschwitz. And they have outfitted buildings with gas and they’ve got these strange turnstiles.

In fact, it is a repair facility. We sent a crew there the other day and we got…

(CROSSTALK)

BECK: Is this your video?

MEIGS: Yes. So initially, they had some old buildings that were boarded up that have since been knocked down. But we also went inside the other buildings, and sure enough, what did we find? They were repairing trains in there.

BECK: Well, trains, I believe — well, Auschwitz had trains. I’m just saying.

MEIGS: But once you go down that road, if somebody wants to be convinced of that, they can’t really debunk that.

BECK: Do we have the video with audio? Because if we don’t, I don’t really care. The video with the audio about the boarded-up buildings with the gas chambers.

Do you have that?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (voice-over): In yet another fenced area, we see a large warehouse building at the end with the electronic turnstiles in front of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BECK: OK. That they were putting gas heaters of some sort in there.

MEIGS: Right. And what we found out is — first of all, one of those buildings has been knocked down. The other ones were upgraded. Their heating system was obsolete. And more than 15 years ago, they upgraded them to gas heat so they could work on the trains.

BECK: These videos — they’re not new. Everybody is saying, oh, this is an Obama thing. I thought this was a Bush thing because of Halliburton and everything else. But that’s not even true.

MEIGS: No, this video actually dates from about 1995. But like so many of these conspiracy theories, it gets re-cut and re-edited and circulated around the Internet.

So some people who are looking at it have no idea what the original source was.

BECK: OK. So the turnstiles are there for — they were there. They’re not there anymore?

MEIGS: Right. The turnstiles were just ordinary subway turnstiles, familiar to anybody who’s ridden subways in New York. And they were used to clock in and out their employees. Now, they’ve replaced them with small kiosks that have time clocks.

FEMA Camp/Beach Grove Indiana

Notice Beck states “Do we have the video with audio? Because if we don’t, I don’t really care.” How is he supposed to form an opinion without reviewing the evidence? Maybe he wanted Popular Mechanics to do the thinking for him (and his audience). The video starts out with “The FEMA plans to imprison American citizens. These plans are the basis for the search for existing FEMA camps. I won’t suggest the location in Beach Grove is anything other then an Amtrak repair facility. Perhaps the military train and other military equipment at the site is not remarkable because Amtrak itself is a government-owned corporation.

BECK: Who is the woman voicing this?

MEIGS: Her name is Linda Thompson. And back in the ’90s, she was one of the leaders of the so-called militia movement. And she made a number of videos…

BECK: Wait. This is the militia movement that — what’s his name — Timothy McVeigh was involved with?

MEIGS: That’s right.

BECK: OK.

MEIGS: And I am not necessarily tying her to that.

BECK: Yes.

MEIGS: And yet, at one point, even many of her fellow people in the militia movement started to move away from her a little bit when she recommended are that some of her followers should march on Washington and start executing senators.

BECK: So she was too extreme for militia members?

MEIGS: Apparently, yes.

BECK: Apparently. OK.

MEIGS: And yet, you’ll see a video made by someone like that embraced by people all over the political spectrum without really knowing what the source is or without checking out if it is remotely accurate.

Once more for emphasis.

MEIGS: Her name is Linda Thompson. And back in the ’90s, she was one of the leaders of the so-called militia movement. And she made a number of videos…

BECK: Wait. This is the militia movement that — what’s his name — Timothy McVeigh was involved with?

MEIGS: That’s right.

BECK: OK.

MEIGS: And I am not necessarily tying her to that.

BECK: Yes.



Beck managed to work in the militia movement, and ties it to Timothy McVeigh. The sort of rightwing people the government documents indicate the camps are intended for. I was watching the news live when the Oklahoma city bombing reports started coming in, and I vividly remember people on the scene talking about multiple explosions. Similarly on 9/11 I heard the exact same thing. Remembering the lies about the Oklahoma city bombing I knew when I saw those two buildings implode the planes had as much to do with the collapse of the towers as the box truck had to do with the damage of the federal building in Oklahoma City. There are a number of similarities between the two incidents. It seems misters Beck and Meigs have pre-formed world views which allow them to ignore inconsistencies in information presented from what are considered ‘Official Sources’. Returning to the topic at hand, I leave you with this.

FEDERAL MURDER

It has been nearly 10 years since Oklahoma City’s Murrah building was blown apart one quiet April morning. Contrary to news reports, the persons found guilty and sentenced for the Murrah bombing atrocity could not have been solely responsible.





The next theory debunked is based on this altered photograph. The name of the made-up facility, “Swift Luck Greens,” is an anagram for “Left Wing Suckers”. With this fact it would seem that Glenn’s own site admits this hoax was created by the ‘right’ in an attack on the ‘left’ and the FEMA camp story in general.

Why Are Internet Conspiracy Theories So Difficult to Debunk?

part of a report done by a human rights group that is focused on human rights violations in North Korea. Somebody went in and pulled these photos off their Web site, slapped the Department of Homeland Security logo on it and claimed that these are on American soil.

Why are internet conspiracy theories so difficult to debunk? For people like Glen Beck conspiracy theories take them down a dark pathway. Where they are forced to shine the light in forbidden places, exposing things they have trained their minds to ignore. The debunking continues with ‘Camp Grayling’. It is a National Guard base, which does have prison facilities for training military police in war-time prisoner handling. I wonder what kind of prisoner handling? Literal handling? Or perhaps the Abu Ghraib sort? Furthermore, wouldn’t this classify Camp Grayling as a mock ‘POW’ camp? The list of supposed FEMA camps has a number of old POW camps that did exist on US soil that a have possibly been recommissioned. On top of this, how ‘mock’ is this prison? Are the walls made of cardboard? Could it be used to actually house immigrants or those guilty of dissent? The new proposed legislation would utilize existing military installations for such things.

After touching on this camp, the host begins to prepare his defense against the personal attacks that would surely follow such a failure to report the truth. The audience is setup by debunking more straw man facts. They claim what they are telling people is the truth. They reassure the audience they are reporting based on evidence. Though the only reporting done was investigation of a small disprovable fractions of the whole story. They mention 9/11, tying in this debunking of the FEMA camps with their previous failure. In the end they make themselves look even more foolish by discussing the JFK assassination, another event that changed the world where the official story does not fit the facts. Actually according to Meigs they are the conspiracy theorists because they went into this investigation with a world view where FEMA camps could not exist, and ignored the facts.

Debunking The FEMA Concentration Camp conspiracies Part 2

if you really tried to debunk these things we should prove the truth. and I think this is why the mainstream media doesn’t do it

FOXNews.com – Why Are Internet Conspiracy Theories So Difficult to Debunk? – Glenn Beck

BECK: OK. Show me the pictures of Camp Grayling. Do we have the picture of the watchtowers? This is pretty spooky. This is where Americans are currently being held, I believe, they’re saying.

MEIGS: People say all kinds of things. And these pictures have been floating around the Internet for more than 10 years.

In fact, Camp Grayling is the largest National Guard training facility in the U.S. They train Army, Navy, Marines.

And one of the groups they train is military police. And in fact, one of the functions they train them for is handling prisoners of war in a battle zone like Iraq. So that’s what that facility is intended for.

BECK: So James, here is what I — here’s I guess where I want to go. You and I both — I mean, and there’s others — if you really tried to debunk these things and I think this is why the mainstream media doesn’t do it. First of all, do you believe — because I don’t think we should set out in anything to debunk it or to prove it right. We should prove the truth.

MEIGS: Well, it is called reporting.

BECK: Oh, I didn’t know that!

MEIGS: When somebody makes a claim about facts, you don’t make up your mind in advance. You go and you look at the facts, you look at the evidence.

What’s frightening about the conspiracy theorists is that they really have already made up their minds in a lot of cases.

And so when you come along and say, “You know, we checked out that claim you’re making. It turns out it is not exactly true.” They don’t say, “OK. Let me go back and maybe I should check my facts again.” They say, “Clearly, you are a part of it.”

BECK: Right. You and I both have been “part of it” now. We’re a part of it. I was actually — somebody called me the grand architect for 9/11, because I came from nowhere. And my rise has been, in their eyes, so meteoric, which I worked for 30 years in radio.

But it happened “so fast,” that the only thing that could explain it is that I was the media architect on the cover-up of 9/11.

MEIGS: And you could see how people are searching to make these conspiracies get bigger and bigger. Because the core facts they have been blaming on the 9/11 conspiracies, which Popular Mechanics — the way a lot of this started is we’ve investigated these for several years. But every time you knock down a certain fact that someone is claiming, they have to expand the conspiracy.

So now, you’re in it. We are in it. Anybody who believes the mainstream view is somehow tied up. There must be hundreds of thousands of people now keeping this secret. And yet, somehow it has never leaked.

BECK: We have always had conspiracies. I mean, you know, growing up,

I remember, “Oh, no. It wasn’t Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh, no, no, no. You don’t know.”

Where did these come from? Why are these — because there are so many of them now.

As I see it, it is a combination of you have access to photos, information, easy to make videos, easy to make things look real. And there is no filter on the Internet, so people can just say and do whatever they want, which is fine with me.

But then the other side is journalism doesn’t mean anything anymore. I mean, the things that have been said and written, where it’s a blatant lie or it’s just part of the truth. So the media and Washington and everything else has so disenfranchised people they don’t believe that anymore. Is that what caused it to get so bad now?

MEIGS: There are a lot of elements to this. And this goes back to the 19th century, suspicion about different groups and plots and conspiracies of all sorts. It is a deep part of our culture.

But today, what you’re seeing is the Internet makes it a lot easier. And people are skeptical. And that’s not a bad thing.

It’s actually healthy to ask questions. It’s healthy to be skeptical. But then, you’ve got to pay attention to the facts.

BECK: Right. The problem somebody is you’re not being skeptical, because I think that is exactly — Thomas Jefferson said, “Question with boldness even the very existence of God, for if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear.”

That has guided my life for the last 15 years.

And the thing is not just question with boldness, honest questioning. You’re not trying to prove an agenda. You don’t care. Your agenda is the truth. And conspiracy theorists don’t seem to care either.

MEIGS: Well, what you see is there is a huge difference between skepticism and cynicism. And a lot of people say they are being skeptical are really just deeply, deeply cynical.

Skepticism means asking questions, listening to the answers, approaching the facts with good faith. And when you find a fact that doesn’t support your world view, maybe you’d better change your world view.

Conspiracy theorists tend to come in with a world view that is fixed. And then when they find facts that don’t work, they just ignore those facts.

BECK: OK. Jim, thank you very much.

MEIGS: All right. My pleasure.

Speaking of secret projects too big to hide, what about this?





Manhattan Project

Born out of a small research program in 1939, the Manhattan Project eventually employed more than 130,000 people and cost nearly $2 billion USD ($24 billion in 2008 dollars based on CPI). It resulted in the creation of multiple production and research sites that operated in secret.



More recent then the Manhattan Project, I remember when area-51 was still a conspiracy theory. So it is very possible for the government to carry out secret domestic operations, even when they involve the creation of the largest building in the world. It seems clandestine operations can be carried out on American soil under the noses of the people, and off the official books. It is no stretch of the mind to consider a large number of people could be involved in some sort of operation when compartmentalized and working on only one tiny aspect of it. One small piece of the puzzle which creates a big picture that only a very few can see. On the other hand I am finding it hard to believe there are hundreds of massive FEMA camps all over the United States that are staffed and not in operation. Massive facilities that in almost 15 years no one has ever been able confirm.



That seems to be as far as the Beck interview about the FEMA camps went, after debunking only two of the alleged sites they change the subject. On the Popular Mechanics site they change up and go after the “Hundreds of thousands of plastic coffins”. Now I want you to think about this for a second. Why would they bury millions of their enemies in individual graves? I think history shows us that the disposal of bodies would be in mass graves. I find it doubtful if a segment of the population was rounded up and interned in these supposed death camps, there would be any chance of even a paupers burial.

Debunking FEMA Concentration Camps – The Truth Behind FEMA Camp Sites

The black polypropylene products purported to be coffins are grave liners, or burial vaults, manufactured by Convington, Ga.-based Vantage Products. (In this case, they are examples of the company’s Standard Air Seal model.) The use of a burial vault, which prevents the collapse of cemetery ground and protects the casket, is a common requirement when a body is interred.

The filmed lot in Madison, Ga., is a Vantage storage facility. Of the 900,000 or so in-ground burials in the U.S. each year, a small percentage of those people prearranged their own caskets and vaults—which Vanguard holds at the storage facility until the appropriate time. According to company Vice President of Operations Michael Lacey, there are approximately 50,000 vaults in storage in Madison. “It’s nowhere near the quantity they talk about on the Internet,” he told the local Morgan County Citizen newspaper. Furthermore, Lacey has said the company maintains detailed records of product ownership and is audited annually, to insure all vaults are accounted for.

How can they claim to call this article ‘The Truth Behind FEMA Camp Sites’? They have mentioned no truth at all, they have only destroyed straw men to get ratings and sell subscriptions.

After going over the coffin liners they finally bother to mention some history, and then tie it into the X-Files, again an attempt to discredit even valid information by associating it with science fiction. Interesting note on Bruce Ackerman. He is a Yale contemporary of both John Kerry and George W. Bush. Though he is not a listed Skull and Bones member so I will not call him as such. However he is one of the most frequently cited legal academics in the country.



What he says in this context makes perfect sense, but the failure here is to actually look at what has come to pass in the 47 years. The failure is to look at what is happening now in relation to the executive orders, and to look at the people those orders give the ultimate power too. It could be that Mr. Ackerman is excellent at pandering, after all he must get cited so often for saying what the media wants the people to hear.

Debunking FEMA Concentration Camps – The Truth Behind FEMA Camp Sites

According to Bruce Ackerman, Sterling Professor of Law and Political Science at Yale Law School, “The question of whether executive power could be abused so as to act inconsistently with the law has been a central constitutional concern for years. But the question in this case is whether it’s right to look at 47-year-old executive orders without studying what came after them. And the answer there is obviously no.”

Executive Orders of Tyranny

The Lone Gunmen

The Lone Gunmen, a spin-off of the popular series The X-Files, was a television show that aired on FOX, featuring the characters of the same name. The show first aired in March 2001 and, despite good reviews, was canceled due to a drop in ratings. The last episode aired in June 2001.

The debut of the show in March 2001, began with Byers’ father faking his death to uncover a conspiracy to hijack an airliner. The Lone Gunmen try to get to the truth of his supposed death and uncover the conspiracy.

One retrospectively interesting aspect of this pilot episode is that the airliner has been hijacked (via remote control of the plane’s autopilot) and, by the end, both Byers and his father have boarded the plane to try to stop the hijacking. Through the aid of the other Gunmen, they are able to regain control of the plane and just miss crashing into the World Trade Center with the airliner. This, of course, is before the actual attack against the Trade Centers later that year.

911 Conspiracy predicted in X Files

The executive orders form another big part of the FEMA camp story. To summarize they literally give the government control over everything in the country. This includes you and your possessions, both of which can be forced into some service such as labor. Piled on top of these orders are the FEMA camp stories. Most searching will come up with this same claim which seems to have been passed around the internet for more or less ten years. I remember reading about the executive orders that far back. The typical site has the exact same text, it covers the executive orders, and then goes into the story of Terry Kings. This is the FEMA camp internet conspiracy theory. It’s always the same story with very little difference. 600 (or maybe 400, or 800) camps in the US, which is then confirmed by an alleged eye-witness account.

FEMA Concentration and Internment Camps

There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

Think about these claims for a moment. Assuming each of these camps has only one employee acting as staff/guard/custodian that lives on the site, I still find it hard to believe there are as many as six-hundred government employees that are paid to sit around and do nothing. Jokes aside, obviously these facilities would require more then one employee, assuming they had four people who each were working twelve hour shifts seven days a week that would be twenty-four hundred people. Their salaries alone would equal up to well over one-hundred million dollars. If you include obvious costs of maintenance, insurance, utilities, public relations, and whatever else sort of overhead, then it adds up to be a fairly expensive operation. I would estimate that maintaining these camps would cost a billion of dollar a year in operations, maintenance, utilities, and so on. We do know the government has what is called the ‘black budget‘. What this means is they get money from other clandestine operations such as the CIA’s cocaine smuggling operation, for which no public records are maintained. Yes it is real. It was still going on when Clinton was in office, and It’s still going on now.

Guess who lost their job for involvement in all of this?

Oliver North

During the early and mid 1980s, Lt. Colonel North was alleged to participate in organizing the transportation of cocaine and marijuana from the various sites in Central and South America into the United States as a means of funding the Contra rebels. Congressional records show North was tasked with finding funding “outside the CIA” after the Boland Amendment cut off funding for the Contras in October, 1984.

On February 10, 1986, Robert Owen, North’s liaison with the Contras, wrote North regarding a plane being used to carry “humanitarian aid” to the Contras that was previously used to transport drugs. The plane belonged to the Miami-based company Vortex, which is run by Michael Palmer, one of the largest marijuana traffickers in the United States. Despite Palmer’s long history of drug smuggling, Palmer receives over $300,000 from the Nicaraguan Humanitarian Aid Office (NHAO) — an office overseen by Oliver North, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs Elliott Abrams, and CIA officer Alan Fiers — to ferry supplies to the Contras.

US Government dealing Cocaine in Mena Arkansas Part 2

Thats right, good Ole’ Ollie North. Same guy who was behind REX84. You remember REX84? Thats why were here talking about FEMA camps, and how they might fund their operation. On a personal note I used to live near Mena, Arkansas, and the locals all know about the Cocaine Importation Agency’s operations. Just four tons of cocaine Id estimate are worth about three-hundred million dollars. If we imagine that is just one flight on one day, and not include any other sources of clandestine income, that comes out to be over one-hundred billion dollars a year on the black budget. Though what do you want to bet that Glenn Beck and Popular Mechanics wouldn’t want to touch this story with a ten-foot-pole. Whats Ollie north doing these days anyway? Oh thats right he’s got his own show on Fox News now. Way to consistently reward negative behavior.

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