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Published on the Doomstead Diner on May 17. 2015

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Early on when I began my journey into the World of Collapse, probably the biggest and most contentious issue that got kicked around on the Collapse forums and blogs was whether the monetary system would collapse in Hyperinflation or Deflation. In fact here on the Diner itself this remains one of the most popular threads, with more than 30 pages of posts at this point.

Lately however, the Doom community has become more Doomerish, and what is being kicked around now is whether Homo Saps are bound for Extinction, not in some long distant future but in the Near Term. In fact, some folks like Guy McPherson of Nature Bats Last are predicting this Extinction Level Event will occur as early as 2030, only 15 years down the line from present day. Obviously, if you are in the process of going Extinct, the monetary issues pale before that one! LOL. For the purposes of this survey though, we will consider anything under a Century as "Near Term".

In an effort to get a better clue on what people think will occur here (and WHEN!?) as we move along the Collapse Highway, I worked up a little Survey utilizing yet another of the numerous Plugins I have installed lately to spruce up the Diner before I Buy My Ticket to the Great Beyond TM. 🙂

Before you take the Main Survey, if you haven't done so already here on the Diner, you may want to place yourself in on our Taxonomy of Doomer Types Survey. If you have already done this survey before, don't do it again, it will skew the results. I haven't got a way yet to stop Duplicates out by User. I don't want to require email addys or any identification for these polls, as I think that would discourage readers from responding to them.

I came up with this taxonomy back in my days Blogging on The Burning Platform with Jim Quinn. I had just 2 categories for it back then, now I am up to 4 with it. Here's the old table though for some descriptions. This goes back to 2011 BTW.

Topic

Doom Lite

Full Doom

Dollar & Monetary System We can fix the monetary system and rehabilitate the Dollar if we STOP PRINTING, feed Helicopter Ben to the Lions, Slash Spending, allow TBTF Banks to FAIL, Incarcerate the Criminal Banksters and use Precious Metals to underpin the currency. The monetary system cannot be rehabilitated by any means, there will be a complete collapse of ALL Fiat money and financial instruments and commerce will for quite some time be mainly Barter. PMs will only retain value in areas where there is a surplus of basic commodities. Inflation, Hyper-Inflation, Deflation, Stagflation, DICK UP YOUR ASSFLATION WTF CARES ANYMORE? WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES. WTF CARES ANYMORE? WE ARE TOAST NO MATTER HOW IT COLLAPSES. Energy To resolve our Energy problems, we must IMMEDIATELY begin building more Nukes, Drill Baby Drill for more Local Oil and build more Hydro Plants and Wind Farms, and eventually pick up the slack from lost energy from Imported Oil sources. Lost Energy from depleted Oil is Irreplaceable and it is far too late to stop an extensive Power Down throughout society which will halt most of our Transportation methods and bring down the Electrical Grid. Our only choice is to prepare for a Low Energy footprint in the future. Goobermint We can fix Da Goobermint if we Vote Out all the scumbag CONgress Critters and replace them with Honest Politicians who cannot be Bought who all demonstrate the Wisdom of the Founding Fathers and abide by the Constitution. Said new Goobermint will be made much smaller with fewer Regulations and less Taxation, allowing Commerce to revive as the Free Market takes over. Da Goobermint is inherently unfixable and corrupt and cannot be rehabilitated via the Ballot Box. Only a Revolution can remove the current power structure, and the results of a Revolution will likely bring a new Goobermint as bad or WORSE than the current one. The failure of the monetary sytem and energy systems will eventually render all large scale Goobermints unable to function, with the power vacuum filled by local Warlords and Dictators in most places. Jobs We must stop the offshoring of Productive Jobs and rebuild our Manufacturing Base in order to build an export based Mercantilist economy with a Trade Surplus. The Industrial Model is FINISHED, even if we could rebuild Factories here in the FSofA, we wouldn’t have the Oil to run them anyhow, and there won’t be anyone here or abroad who could afford the products we build with them anyhow, because of the upward spiraling cost of energy measured in EROEI. Immigration We must Seal the Borders and deport all Illegal Aliens and get FSofA Citizens to work at all the scut jobs at below Minimum Wage they currently fill to reduce Unemployment and reduce the liabilities of Aliens who are soaking up free Medical Care in the Emergency Rooms of our Hospitals. We can TRY to seal the borders and deport the Illegal Aliens, but they will just be replaced by more home grown Citizens who are falling off the economic cliff and will be just as big a drain on the Medical System. Besides that, at least on the Border with Mejico, it will likely create an ever growing Shooting War with a Tsunami of Wetbacks seeking to escape an even worse situation in Mejico. Imperialism & Foreign Wars We must STOP trying to be the World’s Policeman, bring all our Boys & Girls HOME and reduce the outrageous COST of maintaining the Big Ass Military. As soon as we STOP running all our Imperialist adventures, we will basically be CUT OFF from the Foreign Oil still making its way across the Sea Lanes to our Refineries. We also will crash just about the only type of “productive” thing we build here anymore, which are the Weapons of War and we will bring back a whole new crew of people to put on the Unemployment line. Free Shit Army & 30 Blocks of Squalor We must end all transfer payments, all Welfare, Social Security and Medicaire which are all unfunded Liabilities we cannot afford. Former Welfare recipients will be FORCED to go back to work and become Productive Citizens rather than Useless Eaters. Old Folks will rely on their Savings and their Extended Families to take care of them in their dotage. The minute we knock down all these social support mechanisms is the minute we turn into Egypt or Libya or all the rest of the 3rd World countries where the people with Nothing Left to Lose go BERSERK. We don’t HAVE jobs these people could do, even if they were qualified to do any job, which they are not for the most part. Most Old Folks have no savings, and the Extended Family died back in the 1950s for the most part. The Medical Industry as a whole would COLLAPSE without Goobermint input, putting the Doctors, Nurses and Medical Records folks on the UE lines also. China

China will succeed long term because they are net creditors, have most of the Industrial infrastructure and have more Science and Math geniuses studying at Elite Universities. China is TOAST because of outrageous Population Overshoot, a depleted Water Supply, insufficient arable land and insufficient local supplies of remaining Fossil Fuel energy.

FINAL

SOLUTIONS

Boomers should be EXTERMINATED Pigmen should be EXTERMINATED

The latest Compact Description of each of the new categories is below, and you can go HERE to take that Survey if you have not done so already. However, don't navigate away from this page until you take the Survey below, which is much more comprehensive.

Tell Us How you Categorize Yourself

Cornucopian: You believe current problems are temporary and Homo Saps will eventually go Star Trekking

Doomer Lite: You believe we will have a Greater Depression, but eventually rebound from it

Full Doomer: You believe Homo Saps will undergo a massive Population Knockdown but will not go Extinct in this century

Uber Doomer: You believe Homo Saps will be extinct by the end of this century

Now, onto the Main Extinction Survey itself!

All questions in the Surveyl are Optional to answer, in fact even taking the Poll is Optional! You're not required to leave any identifying information if you don't want to.

It may not appear to you that the form submission worked, because I haven't got the feedback page working yet. However, trust me it does work! I tested it. I'll publish the Survey results after I get enough reasonably literate responses to it. If you choose to write a really LONG answer to any question, I highly recommend that you compose it in a Text Editor on your own computer and Save It there before copy/pasting it into the Submit Box and hitting the Submit Button! Just In Case.

There are Text Areas for each question, if you wish to explain your reasoning for your choice. You are also encouraged to join us in the Diner Forum for discussion of these choices. You can also use the Blog Commentary below for further discussion and explanation, although that will not go into the Published Survey Results.

If you are a human and are seeing this field, please leave it blank. Homo Saps will go Extinct in: 20 Years

50 Years

100 Years

In the Year 2525

In 1000 Years

When the Sun Goes Red Giant

When the Universe Ends

Never You can explain your reasons for your Extinction choice here (optional) How many people will be left on Earth in 50 years? None

<10,000

10K-100K

100K-1M

1M-100M

100M-1B

1B-3B

4B-6B

7B-10B

>10B You may explain your reasons for this number here (optional) The Proximal Cause of Human Extinction will be: Anthropogenic Climate Change

Geological Climate Change

Global Thermonuclear War

Asteroid Impact

Supervolcanic Eruption

Alien Invasion

Sun Going Red Giant You can explain your choice of Proximal Cause here (optional) Near Term Human Extinction can still be avoided if: We use the Democratic System to Elect better Leaders

We Passively Resist the current system by Withdrawing from it

We engage in Violent Revolution to Overthrow the Elite

We develop locally based Transition Communities

Near Term Human Extinction cannot be avoided, we are DOOMED!

There will not be a Near Term Human Extinction You can explain your Avoidance choice here (optional) If Homo Sap does NOT go Extinct in the next Century, the remaining Homo Saps will be: Still Industrial & Technological

Agricultural & Permacultural

Hunter-Gatherers

Other (explain below)

None, we will be Extinct Explain why you think this will be the main form of living in a Century (NOT Optional if you clicked "other") If Extinction of Homo Sap in the Near Term could have been avoided, the last time it could have been avoided was: 2000 (prior to 911)

1970 (Back to the Land Movement)

1850 (Beginning of the Age of Oil)

1750 (Beginning of the Industrial Revolution)

10,000 BC (Beginning of the Age of Agriculture)

250,000 Years Ago (accepted figure for the control of Fire by Homo Sap)

It never was avoidable in the Near Term Explain your reasons for choosing this era as the last moment in History Near Term Human Extinction could have been avoided (optional) If Homo Saps do NOT go Extinct in the next Century, I believe the primary form of Political Organization will be: Large Nation-State Democracy

Large Nation-State Communism

Large Nation-State-Fascism

Warlordism/neo-Feudalism

Tribalism/Localism

Anarchic Utopia

Anarchic Mad Max

Other My reasons for believing this will be the primary form of political organization are: The Primary Blame for the current condition of Humanity can best be placed on: The Leadership, since they have most control over the sytems we run

The population at large, because we chose our own Leadership

Blame cannot be placed, this was Thermodynamically determined since Homo Saps are an Energy Dissipative organism

Trying to identify who or what is to blame is a waste of time

Other Explain your Blame Choices here. (optional) In the face of the potential for Near Term Human Extinction, the best course of action is: Give up Hope, Live a Life of Excellence with whatever time you still have left

Maintain Hope and try to survive as long as you can even if the odds are small

Other You may explain your answer to the Hope question here. (optional) Open Text: You may explain any area of Extinction or Collapse you think is Important here not covered in any of the prior questions. (optional) Your Name or Internet Handle (optional) Your Email Addy (optional, and will NOT be published) My Primary Source of Information about Collapse is: (optional) Mainstream Media (MSM) Doomstead Diner Our Finite World Nature Bats Last Economic Undertow Resource Crisis Daily Impact The Archdruid Report The Economic Collapse Zero Hedge Global Research Other (detail in the textbox) Other Important Collapse & Extinction Resources I like: (optional) Your Age Range (optional) <18

18-25

26-35

36-50

51-65

>65 Where You Live (optional) North America

South America

Australia/New Zealand

Europe

Asia

Other Your Religion (optional) Christian

Muslim

Jewish

Buddhist

Hindu

Pantheist

Panentheist

Atheist

Agnostic

Other

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