As he’s made abundantly clear over the last two years and change, Jared Kushner is not remotely qualified for his job in the White House, botching nearly every task he’s been assigned and getting manipulated by leaders the world over on account of his vast inexperience, ignorance, and conflicts of interest. But as it turns out, he’s not just woefully unqualified to do the work, he’s also unqualified to answer basic questions about it and should probably not be allowed to speak to anyone outside of his immediate family for the next two to six years.

In a disastrous interview for the second season of Axios on HBO, reporter Jonathan Swan asked the first son-in-law and senior White House adviser if Donald Trump is a racist, as Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez—along with many others!—has claimed. “Absolutely not,” Kushner responded. “You can’t not be a racist for 69 years then run for president and be a racist.” He then promptly withered under the weight of the follow-up questions a 19-year-old intern in public relations would have known were coming. Truly, it was like a deleted scene out of the last season of Veep:

Swan: Was birtherism racist?

Kushner: Um…look, I wasn’t really involved in that.

Swan: I know you weren’t. Was it racist?

Kushner: Like I said, I wasn’t involved in that.

Swan: I know you weren’t. Was it racist?

Kushner: Um, look, I know who the president is and I have not seen anything in him that is racist. So again, I was not involved in that.

Swan: Did you wish he didn’t do that?

Kushner: Like I said, I was not involved in that. That was a long time ago.

In fact it wasn’t “a long time ago,” though charges of Trump‘s racism stretch back decades, blowing a hole in Kushner‘s claim that his father-in-law wasn’t a bigot for the first 69 years of his life. In 1973, Trump Management was accused by the Justice Department of violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968 by discriminating against people of color; when the suit was settled, the D.O.J. called the decree “one of the most far-reaching ever negotiated,” and the Justice lawyer who argued the case called it a “clear government victory,” according to the Washington Post. More recently the president has railed against immigrants from “shithole countries” like Haiti and African nations; last month Slate reported that the administration is plotting a “backdoor travel ban” on people trying to come to the U.S. from those places (unlike its front-door travel ban against Muslims, which Kushner sidestepped when asked if it was religiously bigoted).