Robert Avis from Verge Permaculture joins us for an overtime interview. This guy does amazing things with plants, engineering yards to be thriving ecologies unto themselves.

But he leads us down a few very interesting roads and makes us question what science is telling us – or isn’t telling us – in a fun and provocative way.

Rob’s Reading List:

The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: “On Robustness and Fragility” – Nassim Taleb

The End of Food: How the Food Industry Is Destroying Our Food Supply-And What You Can Do About It – Thomas Pawlick

Pandora’s Seed: Why the Hunter-Gatherer Holds the Key to Our Survival – Spencer Wells

Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It – Gary Taubes