A former State Department official and a whistleblower himself, Peter Van Buren, told Tucker Carlson on Monday that the Ukraine whistleblower flimflam is a “three-way pitch-and-toss” between the Democrat Party, the liberal media, and the so-called whistleblowers.

Van Buren went on to accuse the second whistleblower of being a conspirator with the first, engaging in a “CIA trick” that is “called a feedback loop.”

The interview with Van Buren came after an earlier story emerged about a personal memo written by the first Ukraine whistleblower.

After hearing “second-hand information from a White House official about President Trump’s July 25 phone call with the president of Ukraine, the first whistleblower wrote a dramatic personal memo, saying the White House official characterized the call as ‘crazy’ and ‘frightening,'” according to a Fox News report.

According to Fox, the day after the Trump-Zelensky phone call, the whistleblower wrote: “The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.”

The memo continued that his conversation with the anonymous White House official “only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights.” The whistleblower’s personal memo went on to say that the unknown official “described the call as “crazy,” “frightening,” and “completely lacking in substance related to national security.”

Of course, that melodramatic description is in sharp contrast to what the transcript of the call indicates, which would seem to reinforce the perspective that the whistleblower complaint is a planful and intentional work simply aimed at creating political mayhem.

“What’s your assessment?” Carlson asked Van Buren. “Do we know more now than we did two weeks ago and enough to justify impeachment? You starting to think this is a real story or no?”



“No, it’s not,” said Van Buren. “Essentially, the first complaint surfaced the phone call–the full transcript is available online. Anyone can read it and it’s clearly not crazy or frightening, it clearly doesn’t represent any kind of demand for political quid pro quo or anything along those lines.

“What we’ve seen however is some very clever teeing up of information and kind of a three-way pitch and toss between the Democrats, the media, and what’s going on with this so-called whistle-blower,” continued Van Buren. “There is a second whistle-blower that we are led to believe is somehow adding to the narrative, but I think what is emerging is that the second whistle-blower is actually the source for the first whistle-blower, which means it’s all the same thing.”

The former State Department official pointed out that the political underhandedness the left is engaging in is familiar, yet a bit different than what we recently saw in another high-profile case of attempted political butchery.

“This is different than in the Kavanaugh case where they sent Michael Avenatti out to find additional victims wherever he could,” said Van Buren. “In his case, there are other lawyers who took time off from chasing ambulances to go on Twitter and play out their second whistle-blower.”

“But in fact, he [the second Ukraine whistleblower] is simply the source for the first whistleblower. The CIA–this is an old trick. It’s called a feedback loop. What you do is you set up one of your sources to back up another source and you make it appear that your initial source is more credible by feeding information into the loop. That’s what seems to be going on here. They are repurposing a witness as a second whistleblower.”

Watch the Tucker Carlson segment …

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