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* Topic set by telnet_reddit_80!~telnet@wtlvfw.sored.pl on 3/20/2013 5:04:41 AM

RPman reinforcements!

RPman have arrived

Schadenfreude ?

@Son-of-Man Is this the SRD posing as SRS brigade again?

Schadenfreude nope

Schadenfreude I'm not in SRD or SRS

Schadenfreude I left SRD because the mods kept obsessing over SRS, and I can't stand SRS because they're idiots.

@Son-of-Man New TRP member?

Schadenfreude no, I'm not that either.

@Son-of-Man Why are you here?

Schadenfreude just trying to learn a bit is all

Schadenfreude thought I'd lurk for a while and see what there is to see, is that OK?

Fab500 huh? reinforcements?

@Son-of-Man Sure, read the sidebar in the sub, ask any questions here.

Fab500 whatchu talking about willis

@Son-of-Man If you aren't derailing or trolling we'll be happy to oblige.

Schadenfreude will do, thanks

Schadenfreude ok, so I was looking at TheBluePill sub today after I found you guys, and found this posting. These are quotes supposedly from one of your sidebar featured submissions, and I'm just wondering if this is really how redpill views rape: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1bma3e/i_found_rtheredpill_s_position_on_rape_surely/

Schadenfreude I swear I'm not trolling by asking that

@Son-of-Man If you attack a stranger, hold them down and fuck them, you should be put in a deep dark hole.

Schadenfreude OK, sure, but what about the rest of it?

@Son-of-Man You'll have to be more specific.

Schadenfreude well, OK

Schadenfreude what about date rape? You take a girl out, get her drunk, and fuck her knowing that she wouldn't be into it sober. Is that OK?

@Son-of-Man There are a few problems with that question.

@Son-of-Man 1.) Unless I'm holding a gun to her head, she got herself drunk.

Schadenfreude also I'm assuming that you guys also find rohypnol (however you spell it) and other drugs like that to be slimey

@Son-of-Man 2.) Her "not being into it sober" is such an ambiguous statement it is nearly impossible to define.

@Son-of-Man 3.) The definition of rape should never change based on her feelings, although it often does.

@Son-of-Man Yes, rohypnol and other such drugs are for cowards and bottom feeders.

Schadenfreude ok, can you expand on point 3?

@Son-of-Man Girl gets drunk, sleeps with dude, wakes up, doesn't want to feel like the slut she is, screams rape.

@Son-of-Man PRoblem.

Schadenfreude like, is that saying that even if your spouse doesn't feel like having sex she's still obliged to have sex with you?

@Son-of-Man Reverse it.

@Son-of-Man Guy gets drunk, sleeps with girl, isn't attracted to her, accepts ribbing from friends, world keeps spinning.

Schadenfreude what about coerced sex from those in power? "If you don't have sex with me you're fired" kind of situations?

Fab500 so the article is taking issue with girls who cry rape after the fact when at the time it seemed to be enthusiastic and consensual?

@Son-of-Man Schaden: Ultimatums based on power are also in the "date rape" category and I do not condone them.

@Son-of-Man Fab: Exactly.

Schadenfreude what about my question regarding spouses?

@Son-of-Man If your wife doesn't want to fuck you it means she isn't attracted to you.

Schadenfreude what if she just had a long day?

@Son-of-Man If she isn't attracted to you then you have a whole new set of issues.

RPman what do you think schaden?

Schadenfreude RPman, what do I think of what?

@Son-of-Man Then she should have no problem with me watching porn or going to the strip club.

RPman about women who aren't attracted to their husbands?

RPman or reverse?

@Son-of-Man I have needs, if you can't satisfy those needs I will get them satisfied until you're ready.

@Son-of-Man If you're not ready for any length of time I will replace you.

@Son-of-Man Simple math.

Schadenfreude son-of-man, that doesn't really answer my question. Are you saying that it's OK to force yourself on your wife even if she's tired and doesn't feel like having sex when you want to?

RPman who said force?

Schadenfreude I said force

@Son-of-Man Define force.

Schadenfreude because son-of-man defined rape as a forced act.

Schadenfreude but he also said it's a forced act on a stranger

@Son-of-Man If your wife isn't into you then you should fix the attraction issue, or get a girlfriend/divorce her.

RPman you went from obliged to forced

@Son-of-Man but TRP official stance is to avoid marriage altogether.

RPman so you're not very clear

Schadenfreude RPman: sorry if I'm not being clear, I'm learning your guys' "jargon", if you will.

Schadenfreude let me try rephrasing the question:

RPman what jargon?

RPman the word oblige is not jargon

RPman are you asking if sex is an expectation of marriage?

RPman or if a man forces himself on his unwilling wife is that rape?

Schadenfreude You and your significant other both work. You have a healthy sex life and are both attracted to each other. One day you come home and want to have sex, but your SO/GF/Wife/Husband/Whatever just spent the day putting out fires and is exhausted. Would you say it's rape to physically force yourself on that person?

RPman seems like two very diffrent questions

RPman not sure why you need all the qualifiers before your last sentence

Schadenfreude because you guys keep ASKING for qualifiers.

Schadenfreude I cannot possibly be any more clear with a question than that. At this point a failure to answer is dodging the question.

RPman oh but you're "just asking" and "not trolling?"

@Son-of-Man No, we're just not going to fall into the feminist fallacy traps you are trying to be so clever with.

Schadenfreude sorry?

Schadenfreude what traps?

@Son-of-Man Hmm.

Schadenfreude it's a question. do you not wish to answer it?

RPman cat traps?

@Son-of-Man Oblige suddenly means force.

Fab500 uh, hold on

@Son-of-Man There's an interesting one.

Schadenfreude OK, simple question

Schadenfreude is your spouse obliged to have sex with you?

Fab500 Schadenfreude's question seems straightforward enough

RPman Is there an expectation of sexual intimacy in a marraige?

Schadenfreude that is not the question I asked

Schadenfreude I asked "is your spouse obliged to have sex with you?"

RPman ya you're asking on any given moment then right?

RPman as in, she wants sex, but you don't

Schadenfreude I am asking "is your spouse obliged ot have sex with you?"

RPman are you obliged as a man to have sex with er?

Schadenfreude I'm sorry, do I need to qualify the question?

Fab500 RPman, other way around. You want sex that day, she doesn't want sex that day.

Fab500 Is she obliged to have sex with you?

Fab500 Or can it wait for another day?

RPman There's more to a relationship than sex

@Son-of-Man Let me tell you a story

@Son-of-Man a story about my ex-girlfriend and I

Fab500 Story time!

Fab500 woooo

Schadenfreude hooray!

@Son-of-Man we were in the midst of some relationship issues and she was dryer than the Mojave

@Son-of-Man laying in bed, cold shoulders all around

@Son-of-Man I was horny, because it had been a minute and she is a very attractive woman

@Son-of-Man Multiple seduction attempts, she started to warm up

RPman she made you wait a minute?

@Son-of-Man still wasn't really into it

@Son-of-Man but I am good at what I do, and even after multiple verbal and physical attempts at turning me down we finally had sex

@Son-of-Man afterwards

@Son-of-Man "That was the best sex of my life, I really needed that, thanks!"

@Son-of-Man So, gray area at best.

@Son-of-Man A radfem could easily define that as rape.

@Son-of-Man I define it as building attraction.

Fab500 Well yeah

@Son-of-Man and it worked

@Son-of-Man You could go talk to her today.

@Son-of-Man The R word would never come out of her mouth.

@Son-of-Man so

@Son-of-Man Gray area at best

Schadenfreude alright, I'll take that as an answer

@Son-of-Man Women typically have reactive sex drives.

Fab500 But let's say that when it came to putting it in she outright said no, get off me, i don't want to do this tonight, i'm going to bed. And you did it anyway. Is that still a gray area?

@Son-of-Man Men have proactive sex drives.

@Son-of-Man So the dynamics are quite a bit different.

@Son-of-Man She could go to bed and then I would go on the computer or go to the strip club.

@Son-of-Man If she got pissed she would probably be single.

@Son-of-Man but again

@Son-of-Man if you build the attraction you can turn No into Yes

@Son-of-Man happens all the time

@Son-of-Man and it is about the farthest thing from rape you can get

Schadenfreude what if it hadn't been the best sex of her life? what if the whole time it had hurt, and she hated the experience?

@Son-of-Man I don't deal in what ifs

@Son-of-Man I deal in what happeneds

Schadenfreude then what's the point of asking questions?

@Son-of-Man I agree.

Schadenfreude sooooooooo I'm not allowed to ask questions in here?

@Son-of-Man Sure you are, but you are asking leading questions as ammo to write us off and confirm your own biases.

@Son-of-Man I warned you earlier.

RPman there's a whole side bar of research to help you with your questions

Schadenfreude I don't know what was leading about what I asked

@Son-of-Man Of course you don't.

@Son-of-Man Or you will you say you don't.

@Son-of-Man Go read the sidebar.

Schadenfreude I felt like I had to work REALLY hard to qualify my questions enough to get anything approximating an answer.

RPman can't help the way you feel

Schadenfreude may I ask another question?

@Son-of-Man You can't define rape outside of date rape or dark alley rape because then it is based on her FEELINGS.

@Son-of-Man And you can't define FEELINGS.

Schadenfreude it's not about rape

@Son-of-Man Shoot.

Schadenfreude OK

Schadenfreude and please don't take this the wrong way

RPman every question is about rape so far

@Son-of-Man This should be good.

RPman yet not one post on /r/theredpill mentions it right now

Schadenfreude but a lot of your sidebar presents this attitude that feminism is some kind of conspiracy. Is this something redpill really thinks?

Schadenfreude or am I misreading it?

RPman misreading or intentionally mischaracterizing

@Son-of-Man It is cultural marxism and female supremacy through shame and proxy (via MEN) violence and legislation.

@Son-of-Man It is pointless, outdated, and thankfully: dying.

Schadenfreude well what I mean is like, does the redpill philosophy view female supremacy as an intentional goal of some clandestine group, or is it just something that kind of formed in the zeitgeist?

RPman hey Shaden, are men oppressed now or in the past?

Schadenfreude no, I do not feel that men are overall oppressed, although there are certainly double standards in some areas (especially court cases involving kids)

@Son-of-Man No one is 100% sure of the puppet masters but the message is the same: Women are perpetual victims who can do no wrong while men are perpetual attackers who are always wrong.

RPman I see

@Son-of-Man Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can honestly buy into that.

@Son-of-Man cannot*

Fab500 So you are saying men in fact are oppressed?

BipolarBear0 How2rapewomen

RPman lol rape obsession

RPman you guys

RPman haha

Fab500 lol

RPman maybe it's projection?

Fab500 BpB, what a characted

@Son-of-Man Rape Fantasy Culture

Fab500 what now?

@Son-of-Man That is what it is really about.

Fab500 Explain

@Son-of-Man These highly unattractive feminists have created a projection that all men everywhere want to fuck them.

@Son-of-Man They are trying to be the heroine in the latest Danielle Steel novel.

@Son-of-Man It is hilarious.

RPman And yes men of the past and present have certainly been marginalized.

Fab500 RPman: Never said they haven't

RPman so shouldn't it be humanist

RPman ?

Schadenfreude alright, I have to run.

RPman see ya

Schadenfreude nice talking to you

RPman you too