

Toguro

join:2003-10-23

Rockford, IL Toguro Member Just plain Stupid How many other option are now available for getting content on tv. this will be the kick in the pants for developers to get Chromecast supported.



KennyWest

@98.28.97.x KennyWest Anon Re: Just plain Stupid Chromecast does not work on older TVs and Roku does.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23

11111 sandman_1 Member Re: Just plain Stupid Source?



Works great on my 2009-2010 plasma. Also works fine on the 4 yr old LCD in the bedroom.



N10Cities

Premium Member

join:2002-05-07

0000000 N10Cities Premium Member Re: Just plain Stupid Anyone who has a TV old enough to NOT have an HDMI port on the back cannot use Chromecast.



AnonDude

@97.95.152.x AnonDude Anon Re: Just plain Stupid said by N10Cities: Anyone who has a TV old enough to NOT have an HDMI port on the back cannot use Chromecast. Those would be old SD tube TVs. maybe time to upgrade. TVs are dirt cheap now.



derrrr

@2.103.238.x 1 recommendation derrrr Anon Re: Just plain Stupid Not all HDTVs have HDMI. Some have component, you know the Red, Green, and Blue connections.

54761437 (banned)

join:2013-01-18

Durham, NC 54761437 (banned) Member Re: Just plain Stupid said by derrrr : Not all HDTVs have HDMI. Some have component, you know the Red, Green, and Blue connections. Those are exceedingly rare.

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15

Wakefield, MA BosstonesOwn Member Re: Just plain Stupid I have 3 lcd tv's acting as monitors that seem to have that problem. all 3 different brands.. and the high end monitors of only 5 years ago had only component.

Kearnstd

Space Elf

Premium Member

join:2002-01-22

Mullica Hill, NJ Kearnstd Premium Member Re: Just plain Stupid I have never seen a monitor with component only. I figured most of that age had VGA or DVI.

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15

Wakefield, MA BosstonesOwn Member Re: Just plain Stupid Should have been more specific.. high quality monitors for video production and public display...

Kearnstd

Space Elf

Premium Member

join:2002-01-22

Mullica Hill, NJ Kearnstd Premium Member Re: Just plain Stupid Ahh gotcha, I have a habit of calling screens not used for computer display a "TV" Even though I should know better and that I believe to be a TV it has to be capable of signal reception of TV broadcast on its own.

mgamer20o0

join:2003-12-01

Norwalk, CA mgamer20o0 to derrrr

Member to derrrr

said by derrrr : Not all HDTVs have HDMI. Some have component, you know the Red, Green, and Blue connections. in those cases wouldnt a converter work?



Sarick

It's Only Logical

Premium Member

join:2003-06-03

USA Sarick Premium Member Re: Just plain Stupid The HDML has security blocks to protect against piracy. The HDML can can disable/block hardware sent from a device to a converter etc. With today's internet patched devices simple updates can disable TV's converters etc.



The Tashiba TV in my living room had the companies device ID codes hacked and codes where released on the internet. This allowed people to make devices that identified themselves as this TV. When the HDMI standards found out about this internet updated devices with HDMI that are attached to these unpatchable Tashiba TV's where blocked from displaying high quality content.



An example of this is a DISH network HD compatible system like 712 or 512 series. If you try to view a rented movie on those through their blockbuster while hooked up to a blocked TV it won't allow you to view the movie PERIOD. Even if the HDML device fine watching most channels it says the device connected is insecure.



I assume you can convert from a lower standard too HDML but the reverse is and can be limited.



KennyWestt

@98.28.97.x KennyWestt to AnonDude

Anon to AnonDude

Why would someone upgrade just to have an HDMI port? Why toss another TV in the dump and pollute when most tvs will live 15+ years, including tube sets. And just because TVs have come down in price it doesn't mean you need to run out and buy one.



The same can be said with computers, they go down in price daily and yearly, but you don't see people out buying yearly just because its down in price.



Unbundled

But When ? ?

Premium Member

join:2010-09-13

Irving, TX 1 edit Unbundled to AnonDude

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said by AnonDude : Those would be old SD tube TVs. maybe time to upgrade. TVs are dirt cheap now. No sh*t... I got a 29" LED 720p at Sam's for $168 the other day. 3 HDMI connections, 1 75 ohm, 1 USB, 1 PC connection, and 1 component connection. (Magnavox) And.... the LED HD TV uses much less power than a CRT!!!



OldCableGuy3

@207.191.193.x OldCableGuy3 to N10Cities

Anon to N10Cities

I find it hard to believe many people still use a TV without HDMI port. Even my 80 year old grandmother has a TV with HDMI in. Flat screen TVs are down to 99 bucks on black friday, so by now the only hold-outs are the people who simply enjoy parroting that "I ain't got one of them-there flatscreens"



You make your bed you sleep in it.

54761437 (banned)

join:2013-01-18

Durham, NC 54761437 (banned) Member Re: Just plain Stupid said by OldCableGuy3 : I find it hard to believe many people still use a TV without HDMI port. Even my 80 year old grandmother has a TV with HDMI in. Flat screen TVs are down to 99 bucks on black friday, so by now the only hold-outs are the people who simply enjoy parroting that "I ain't got one of them-there flatscreens"



You make your bed you sleep in it. A good many people seem to take joy in clinging to outdated technology and then complaining when anything changes, especially if it means their stuff becomes obsolete.



Sarick

It's Only Logical

Premium Member

join:2003-06-03

USA 2 edits Sarick to KennyWest

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They've decied not to ALLOW the update on older device versions so eventually when the providers upgrade their streaming technology those devices will break. You'll need to upgrade no matter what if you choose Roku for streaming. Companies who don't work with Roku's new "piece of the pie" demand will get removed while older devices won't allow channel updates.



The newer models only have HDML out so, if the older ones aren't getting patched meaning you're SOL. They want you to throw away the older versions and $$$UPGRADE$$$ so they can make money off the new hardware sales. that's not enough for Roku. They also want money for rights for popular channels to be on their devices. Greedy intentions check!



KennyWestt

@98.28.97.x KennyWestt Anon Re: Just plain Stupid I have one without HDMI and it works just fine. It has for over 3 years now. And was just updated. Actually they rarely update the software if anything apps on them are only updated by the publishers.

dudeman456

join:2005-04-29

New York, NY dudeman456 to Toguro

Member to Toguro

Roku is more popular, and has a higher quality. Most people who have a Chromecast don't use it. The biggest issue is that you always need another device with a processor to operate Chromecast.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23

11111 sandman_1 Member Re: Just plain Stupid Most people? How would you know. Personally I use both of our chromecasts daily. I would rather control my Chromecast with my phone than adding another remote control to my many already.



KennyWestt

@98.28.97.x KennyWestt to sandman_1

Anon to sandman_1

I can control my Roku with my phone as well. Something Google copied. Hell even DirecTV had the option before ChromeCast.

eco

Premium Member

join:2001-11-28

Wilmington, DE eco to sandman_1

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»www.slashgear.com/chrome ··· 1333156/



In my opinion, requiring a secondary device for it to function is a turnoff compared to its competitors. And I don't think your argument about another remote holds water. The remotes for these things are pretty small. The remote for the AppleTV, for instance, has the same amount of volume as a couple of sticks of gum. Usage by those who own a Chromecast have been declining quarter after quarter.In my opinion, requiring a secondary device for it to function is a turnoff compared to its competitors. And I don't think your argument about another remote holds water. The remotes for these things are pretty small. The remote for the AppleTV, for instance, has the same amount of volume as a couple of sticks of gum.



Boricua

Premium Member

join:2002-01-26

Sacramuerto Boricua Premium Member True or False . If this is really happening, then this would be a sad day. There are enough cable cos doing this, it'd be nice if Roku would not. Just as I was going to cut the cord and go with Roku



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11

Cherry Hill, NJ ·Verizon FiOS

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MovieLover76 Member Re: True or False I use Roku and it's a good device, I don't think this stuff is going to affect the end users that much. I've cut the cord, 95% of our usage is on the Roku or chromecast. So I have a lot of experience with both.



Roku's don't have the absolute best interface, some apps like plex can be a little dated

but they have the most varied channels, you aren't limited like you are with an apple tv which pushes apple content or a firetv which pushes amazon content. In that respect I think the Roku is still the best streaming device.

I like the chromecast, in fact I have one in our bedroom. and we have a roku 3 in the living room.

eventually the chromecast is going to be replaced by a roku and this is why.

2.4 ghz only, I live in an apartment and the 2.4ghz airwaves are jammed and while streaming works probably 95% of the time, it still cuts out now and then

My roku 3 with 5Ghz wireless never misses a beat and it's much farther away from the router.



and the other reason is the interface, many technically inclined people myself included may like the chromecast interface, my wife she hates it, she'd much rather have a roku remote with only a few buttons, it's much simpler.

technically inclined chromecast lovers seem to miss that average user component.



Boricua

Premium Member

join:2002-01-26

Sacramuerto Boricua Premium Member Re: True or False Thank you for that info. I was planning on cutting the cord toward to the end of this month. I just want to reduce my expenditures.



tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09

Guantanamo tc1uscg to MovieLover76

Member to MovieLover76

Not to mention it doesn't like my MP4's or MKV's on my media server.

Kuro

join:2014-10-01 Kuro Member Competion Unfortunately for Roku there are a bunch of options to get and send out that content besides them unlike cable providers. Doing this is just shooting themselves in the foot.



scott2020

join:2008-07-20

MO scott2020 Member Nice Many of these channels contributed to the success of Roku in the first place. Maybe they should get a cut of Roku's hardware sales.

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15

Wakefield, MA BosstonesOwn Member Can't wait Sorry but they should pay in since it is a closed environment and they make very little money off the hardware. This is how apple does it...



Since there are private channels that are basically pirate streams of content, they should do this there as well and close those down as well.

Os

join:2011-01-26

US Os Member Chickens Coming Home to Roost Everyone who thinks they're so smart now will pay more in the future and have to make dozens of deals to get the same amount of content.



If you think Roku or Netflix aren't going to become like cable companies, then you have no idea how businesses operate.



Netflix will probably add advertisements as soon as they can because greed knows no bounds.



Little guys are only nice when they have to be.



gatorkram

Need for Speed

Premium Member

join:2002-07-22

Winterville, NC gatorkram Premium Member Sigh... I can see it now....



Below the line charges on netflix...



$2.50 Roku recuperation fee

$1.75 Xbox 360

$1.50 Xbox One

$1.25 PS/3

$1.75 PS/4



I think you get the idea..



Rambo76098

join:2003-02-21

Columbus, OH Rambo76098 Member Roku Feeling the Squeeze from ChromeCast I'm willing to bet the ChromeCast is eating into their sales, and they're none too pleased. Apparently instead of trying to innovate, this troll toll is their chosen response.



Behavior like this will make me reconsider ever buying another Roku or recommending them.



The Beer

I Love It When A Plan Comes Together

Premium Member

join:2001-07-24

Lincoln, NE The Beer Premium Member Need a device that... is somewhat open but commercial so it's universally supported... oh wait. That was Roku.

clocks11

join:2002-05-06

00000 1 edit clocks11 Member Re: Need a device that... said by The Beer: is somewhat open but commercial so it's universally supported... oh wait. That was Roku. Maybe Google Android TV can just make money off search(like the OS), and leave everything else open and free.



SpaethCo

Digital Plumber

MVM

join:2001-04-21

Minneapolis, MN SpaethCo MVM Roku also demanding its former customers pay up



Roku has teamed up with with the NHL and NBA to stop their channels from working on anything other than the latest generation of Roku players.



»deadspin.com/the-nhl-is- ··· 44336767 Do you have a Roku that you didn't pay for recently? If so, channels may start becoming unavailable to you soon.Roku has teamed up with with the NHL and NBA to stop their channels from working on anything other than the latest generation of Roku players.

dudeman456

join:2005-04-29

New York, NY dudeman456 Member Competition Android TV seems like better competition, not Chromecast like some believe. Android TV already has popular apps, and is not yet available to the public.



KennyWestt

@98.28.97.x KennyWestt Anon Re: Competition Until its available to the public its a moot topic and product to bring up. Plus Android TV died before and it can surely die again. And when it comes out, surely ChromeCast will be retired and unmaintained. A typical Google move.



bluefox8

join:2014-08-20 bluefox8 Member So Basically the message is that if you let roku get big enough, they will try their best to leverage their size to screw you (yes you, ultimately you pay directly or indirectly) over just like a cabelco/telco. Got it.



Sarick

It's Only Logical

Premium Member

join:2003-06-03

USA 1 edit Sarick Premium Member They can't even fix/update their device channels.



Seriously, they think customers are that dumb. If the hardware is capable of steaming videos perfectly its software wouldn't take much to switch simple profiles. The problem with them and netflix is they want the software/firmware to be RAM hogs and not optimize it.



Look at this video.



On the older Roku 1's and Roku 2's they REFUSE to update the netflix channels so they can select profiles.Seriously, they think customers are that dumb. If the hardware is capable of steaming videos perfectly its software wouldn't take much to switch simple profiles. The problem with them and netflix is they want the software/firmware to be RAM hogs and not optimize it.Look at this video. »www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· BkNgPZFQ



Perfect example of planned obsolescence. Tell them we can't or won't update so they'll buy the newest version which was bought less then a year ago. Not getting a penny more from me I'll look for another company or use a game console. Perfect example of planned obsolescence. Tell them we can't or won't update so they'll buy the newest version which was bought less then a year ago. Not getting a penny more from me I'll look for another company or use a game console.



tc1uscg

join:2005-03-09

Guantanamo tc1uscg Member This is why I put the brakes on I had a feeling 2 years ago when I got my 2nd roku that someday, they would get greedy so I wasn't going to put all my eggs in one basket. That's why I decided not to buy any more and have beefed up my home media server(s) and got SmartTV's with WiFi. There are SOOO many other streaming devices out there, Roku best watch it's azz or it will alienate content providers and they fade away.

Ostracus

join:2011-09-05

Henderson, KY Ostracus Member Re: This is why I put the brakes on Problem is the content providers that most want to watch use DRM. So ANY alternative is going to have to deal with that beast.



Red Hazard

Premium Member

join:2012-07-21

O Fallon, IL Red Hazard Premium Member Netflix? Amazon Instant? This charge can backfire. If Amazon and Netflix refused to pay and were removed, how many Roku(s) would folks continue to buy? I can always stream Netflix on my OPPO or Sharp Smart HDTV. However, I would be out of luck with Amazon.