Page 2 of 16 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12 > Last » 02-14-2010, 11:01 AM tvdxer Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA 7,653 posts, read 16,099,371 times Reputation: 6766 Advertisements Quote: LZKay1 Originally Posted by I'm about as White as you can get, but I also have a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood card which says I'm 1/256 Cherokee blood.



How much is this?



If you were born in 1986 like me, and have an average of 27 years between generations, that would mean your Cherokee ancestor was born in roughly 1770. One of your great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents was 100% Cherokee, or equivalent.If you were born in 1986 like me, and have an average of 27 years between generations, that would mean your Cherokee ancestor was born in roughly 1770.

02-14-2010, 02:01 PM bjh Location: Memphis - home of the king 36,603 posts, read 25,244,873 times Reputation: 126095 Quote: ReturningWest Originally Posted by That CDIB card will get you enrolled in a Federally Recognized tribe. The Cherokee Nation is a decendency tribe so no blood quantum is required. Several tribes are like that.



It might not mean much to you now, but it could in the future. I am indian with significantly more "blood quantum" than you yet, unless I can unravel my genealogy I will never be enrolled. Didn't know that. Good luck with the "unraveling." 02-18-2010, 09:30 PM mercygrace 1 posts, read 27,228 times Reputation: 26 Uneducated people amaze me really. There is nothing wrong with claiming your heritage no matter how "diluted". My ex husband is 1/256 and my three children are 1/512 Chickasaw Indian. We live in the Chickasaw Nation in Oklahoma. My children are well taken care of by their tribe. My son was born at the Indian Hospital and I received excellent care there. My children are provided special education services, extra curricular services, housing, clothing grants, computers, thanksgiving and Christmas services. As the commercial says It's a good time to be Chickasaw. With the Chickasaw Nation it doesn't matter how much "blood" you have, it matters if you are a descendant of someone who was on the roll. That makes you a full member of the tribe and my children have duel citizenship of both Americans and citizens of the Chickasaw Nation. 02-19-2010, 10:50 PM LZKay1 257 posts, read 339,588 times Reputation: 114 Quote: heyho Originally Posted by Do you get a discount at a casino? : D At that level (0.00390625), no one even knows about it, much less the government giving me free stuff. 02-20-2010, 11:06 AM Thyra 2,377 posts, read 4,988,076 times Reputation: 1699

I have one female ancestor from VA who married a "white man" had one son with him and all the rest of the decendants married white people..so that does not give me any where near enough to qualify for membership in the tribe. Here is an interesting link to the question of "Blood Quantum" for Indian tribal qualifications: Blood quantum laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I have one female ancestor from VA who married a "white man" had one son with him and all the rest of the decendants married white people..so that does not give me any where near enough to qualify for membership in the tribe. 02-20-2010, 12:23 PM tyvin Location: Hawaii 1,691 posts, read 3,936,844 times Reputation: 3091 With many it is not the blood, but the fact that you have to prove the blood by ancestors being enrolled on the Dawes rolls.

I am 1/4 Cherokee. My grandmother from Arkansas married Irish and since then everyone has been Caucasian.

It is unfortunate that I may not be a part of the Cherokee tribe. I cannot find anything on my grandmother or my father (whom I did not know).

The blood is strong and carries me through. Be proud that you have a drop of the strongest blood on earth. 02-20-2010, 01:06 PM ReturningWest Location: Stuck in NE GA right now 4,585 posts, read 11,322,621 times Reputation: 6631 Quote: wehotex Originally Posted by I'll bet that you or your kids wouldn't be claiming this miniscule ancestry if the gov't wasn't giving you all of these freebies.



All those freebies you seem to think ndn's get were part of a treaty and let me tell you, most tribes are still fighting over what the gov't AGREED TO and reneged on and continue to do so. There is not one again NOT ONE treaty that has stood as signed by the US gov't. The fight to retain and return land, money, services as promised is on going. Those "freebies" were in exchange for stealing our land and they continue to try even today.



If you would like more info on this google the fight over the Black Hills, considered sacred and stolen for the gold. Fishing rights all over the PNW, OK was supposed to be indian territory forever, again stolen. The Klamath tribes had 20 million acres stolen and their rights as a Federally recognized tribe, it took them 20 years to get recognition back and they are still trying to get their land back. These are just a few examples and all of this for greed. The US gov't entered into treaties with Sovereign Nations and then over and over again proceeded to steal, not provide agreed upon services, food, money etc.



The ndn's that are enrolled in a Federally Recognized Tribe are a fraction of the ndn population living today. Because of the laws forced on our ancestors by the gov't restricting enrollment that was poorly understood by the ndn's at the time, many of us are now inelegible for enrollment. I have friends that a full blood ndn's but because their parents were of different tribes they are not elegible to enroll in any tribe. Then there are many like myself who's ancestors were forced out of their homes and hid, did not trust the gov't (for good reason) and did not trust the enrollment system, my ancestors changed their surnames several times over one generation to "hide out", yet by all acounts they continued to practice many of their traditions, yet I, who has a significant amount of ndn blood can not enroll, unless I can find an elusive ancestor on the rolls.



The Cherokee Nation, along with many other tribes have a descendency requirement, not a blood quatum requirement. Of course all of these requirements were written by white men with the intent of creating a paper genocide in hopes we would disapear...WE ARE STILL HERE!



So for the lucky few who can claim enrollment, they are more than entitled to those few and hard fought for "freebies", they were and are not free under any stretch of the imagination. Being ndn is much more than blood quantum, it's understanding and honoring your heritage.All those freebies you seem to think ndn's get were part of a treaty and let me tell you, most tribes are still fighting over what the gov't AGREED TO and reneged on and continue to do so. There isagaintreaty that has stood as signed by the US gov't. The fight to retain and return land, money, services as promised is on going. Those "freebies" were in exchange for stealing our land and they continue to try even today.If you would like more info on this google the fight over the Black Hills, considered sacred and stolen for the gold. Fishing rights all over the PNW, OK was supposed to be indian territory forever, again stolen. The Klamath tribes had 20 million acres stolen and their rights as a Federally recognized tribe, it took them 20 years to get recognition back and they are still trying to get their land back. These are just a few examples and all of this for greed. The US gov't entered into treaties with Sovereign Nations and then over and over again proceeded to steal, not provide agreed upon services, food, money etc.The ndn's that are enrolled in a Federally Recognized Tribe are a fraction of the ndn population living today. Because of the laws forced on our ancestors by the gov't restricting enrollment that was poorly understood by the ndn's at the time, many of us are now inelegible for enrollment. I have friends that a full blood ndn's but because their parents were of different tribes they are not elegible to enroll in any tribe. Then there are many like myself who's ancestors were forced out of their homes and hid, did not trust the gov't (for good reason) and did not trust the enrollment system, my ancestors changed their surnames several times over one generation to "hide out", yet by all acounts they continued to practice many of their traditions, yet I, who has a significant amount of ndn blood can not enroll, unless I can find an elusive ancestor on the rolls.The Cherokee Nation, along with many other tribes have a descendency requirement, not a blood quatum requirement. Of course all of these requirements were written by white men with the intent of creating a paper genocide in hopes we would disapear...WE ARE STILL HERE!So for the lucky few who can claim enrollment, they are more than entitled to those few and hard fought for "freebies", they were and are not free under any stretch of the imagination. 02-20-2010, 11:10 PM skifan77 65 posts, read 228,454 times Reputation: 65 Quote: mercygrace Originally Posted by Uneducated people amaze me really. There is nothing wrong with claiming your heritage no matter how "diluted". My ex husband is 1/256 and my three children are 1/512 Chickasaw Indian. We live in the Chickasaw Nation in Oklahoma. My children are well taken care of by their tribe. My son was born at the Indian Hospital and I received excellent care there. My children are provided special education services, extra curricular services, housing, clothing grants, computers, thanksgiving and Christmas services. As the commercial says It's a good time to be Chickasaw. With the Chickasaw Nation it doesn't matter how much "blood" you have, it matters if you are a descendant of someone who was on the roll. That makes you a full member of the tribe and my children have duel citizenship of both Americans and citizens of the Chickasaw Nation.



However under these circumstances pretty much half of America can claim ancestry on every single continent of the world You are right there is nothing wrong with claiming whatever your ancestry is.However under these circumstances pretty much half of America can claim ancestry on every single continent of the world 02-21-2010, 09:44 AM wehotex Location: San Antonio Texas 11,431 posts, read 17,159,382 times Reputation: 5224 Quote: ReturningWest Originally Posted by Being ndn is much more than blood quantum, it's understanding and honoring your heritage.



All those freebies you seem to think ndn's get were part of a treaty and let me tell you, most tribes are still fighting over what the gov't AGREED TO and reneged on and continue to do so. There is not one again NOT ONE treaty that has stood as signed by the US gov't. The fight to retain and return land, money, services as promised is on going. Those "freebies" were in exchange for stealing our land and they continue to try even today.



If you would like more info on this google the fight over the Black Hills, considered sacred and stolen for the gold. Fishing rights all over the PNW, OK was supposed to be indian territory forever, again stolen. The Klamath tribes had 20 million acres stolen and their rights as a Federally recognized tribe, it took them 20 years to get recognition back and they are still trying to get their land back. These are just a few examples and all of this for greed. The US gov't entered into treaties with Sovereign Nations and then over and over again proceeded to steal, not provide agreed upon services, food, money etc.



The ndn's that are enrolled in a Federally Recognized Tribe are a fraction of the ndn population living today. Because of the laws forced on our ancestors by the gov't restricting enrollment that was poorly understood by the ndn's at the time, many of us are now inelegible for enrollment. I have friends that a full blood ndn's but because their parents were of different tribes they are not elegible to enroll in any tribe. Then there are many like myself who's ancestors were forced out of their homes and hid, did not trust the gov't (for good reason) and did not trust the enrollment system, my ancestors changed their surnames several times over one generation to "hide out", yet by all acounts they continued to practice many of their traditions, yet I, who has a significant amount of ndn blood can not enroll, unless I can find an elusive ancestor on the rolls.



The Cherokee Nation, along with many other tribes have a descendency requirement, not a blood quatum requirement. Of course all of these requirements were written by white men with the intent of creating a paper genocide in hopes we would disapear...WE ARE STILL HERE!



So for the lucky few who can claim enrollment, they are more than entitled to those few and hard fought for "freebies", they were and are not free under any stretch of the imagination. I sympathize with what you are saying and am somewhat familiar with the Cobell Trust case. But the other poster was saying that she was 1/256 Indian. She and her kids have lived all of the advantages of being white in this society. they themselves have not suffered at all. why should they reap the benefits? 02-21-2010, 11:32 AM Terryj Location: Southern Oregon 2,976 posts, read 4,428,304 times Reputation: 3258 Quote: ReturningWest Originally Posted by Being ndn is much more than blood quantum, it's understanding and honoring your heritage.



All those freebies you seem to think ndn's get were part of a treaty and let me tell you, most tribes are still fighting over what the gov't AGREED TO and reneged on and continue to do so. There is not one again NOT ONE treaty that has stood as signed by the US gov't. The fight to retain and return land, money, services as promised is on going. Those "freebies" were in exchange for stealing our land and they continue to try even today.



If you would like more info on this google the fight over the Black Hills, considered sacred and stolen for the gold. Fishing rights all over the PNW, OK was supposed to be indian territory forever, again stolen. The Klamath tribes had 20 million acres stolen and their rights as a Federally recognized tribe, it took them 20 years to get recognition back and they are still trying to get their land back. These are just a few examples and all of this for greed. The US gov't entered into treaties with Sovereign Nations and then over and over again proceeded to steal, not provide agreed upon services, food, money etc.



The ndn's that are enrolled in a Federally Recognized Tribe are a fraction of the ndn population living today. Because of the laws forced on our ancestors by the gov't restricting enrollment that was poorly understood by the ndn's at the time, many of us are now inelegible for enrollment. I have friends that a full blood ndn's but because their parents were of different tribes they are not elegible to enroll in any tribe. Then there are many like myself who's ancestors were forced out of their homes and hid, did not trust the gov't (for good reason) and did not trust the enrollment system, my ancestors changed their surnames several times over one generation to "hide out", yet by all acounts they continued to practice many of their traditions, yet I, who has a significant amount of ndn blood can not enroll, unless I can find an elusive ancestor on the rolls.



The Cherokee Nation, along with many other tribes have a descendency requirement, not a blood quatum requirement. Of course all of these requirements were written by white men with the intent of creating a paper genocide in hopes we would disapear...WE ARE STILL HERE!



So for the lucky few who can claim enrollment, they are more than entitled to those few and hard fought for "freebies", they were and are not free under any stretch of the imagination.

My grandmother was Modoc Indian, raised on the Klamath Indian reservation. What the federal government did to the Klamath Indians was criminal to say the least. In the 30's and 40's the Klamath Indians were very well off, they used the land they had, harvested timber, they became one of the wealthiest tribes in the US. In the 50's the federal government disbanded the Kalmath Indians (removed them from the roles of an established tribe), took there land and sold it to companies like Georgia Pacific and Weyhauser Timber. This was because of the timber revenues that the Klamath tribe enjoyed, these other timber companies want the lands that were set aside for the Klamath tribe. It wasn't until the mid 1980' that the Klamath Indians, Modoc and the Yahooskin regained their status as the Klamath Indians, but the damage to their land had already been done, their still trying to get their land back. My grandmother was Modoc Indian, raised on the Klamath Indian reservation. What the federal government did to the Klamath Indians was criminal to say the least. In the 30's and 40's the Klamath Indians were very well off, they used the land they had, harvested timber, they became one of the wealthiest tribes in the US. In the 50's the federal government disbanded the Kalmath Indians (removed them from the roles of an established tribe), took there land and sold it to companies like Georgia Pacific and Weyhauser Timber. This was because of the timber revenues that the Klamath tribe enjoyed, these other timber companies want the lands that were set aside for the Klamath tribe. It wasn't until the mid 1980' that the Klamath Indians, Modoc and the Yahooskin regained their status as the Klamath Indians, but the damage to their land had already been done, their still trying to get their land back. Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.



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