Post by Jeff Garzik

Post by Thomas Zander

Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or sign

a formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter) key without seeing that

person in real life, verifying their identity etc.

Any and all PGP related howtos will tell you that you should not trust or signa formerly-untrusted PGP (or GPG for that matter) key without seeing thatperson in real life, verifying their identity etc.

stupid geek wanking.

A person's behavioural signature is what is relevant. We know how

Satoshi coded and wrote. It was the online Satoshi with which we

interacted. The online Satoshi's PGP signature would be fine...

assuming he established a pattern of use.

As another example, I know the code contributions and PGP key signed

by the online entity known as "sipa." At a bitcoin conf I met a

person with photo id labelled "Pieter Wuille" who claimed to be sipa,

but that could have been an actor. Absent a laborious and boring

signed challenge process, for all we know, "sipa" is a supercomputing

cluster of 500 gnomes.

The point is, the "online entity known as Satoshi" is the relevant

fingerprint. That is easily established without any in-person

meetings.

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Jeff Garzik

Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist

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Such guidelines are a perfect example of why PGP WoT is useless andstupid geek wanking.A person's behavioural signature is what is relevant. We know howSatoshi coded and wrote. It was the online Satoshi with which weinteracted. The online Satoshi's PGP signature would be fine...assuming he established a pattern of use.As another example, I know the code contributions and PGP key signedby the online entity known as "sipa." At a bitcoin conf I met aperson with photo id labelled "Pieter Wuille" who claimed to be sipa,but that could have been an actor. Absent a laborious and boringsigned challenge process, for all we know, "sipa" is a supercomputingcluster of 500 gnomes.The point is, the "online entity known as Satoshi" is the relevantfingerprint. That is easily established without any in-personmeetings.--Jeff GarzikBitcoin core developer and open source evangelistBitPay, Inc. https://bitpay.com/------------------------------------------------------------------------------Want excitement?Manually upgrade your production database.When you want reliability, choose PerforcePerforce version control. Predictably reliable.http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk_______________________________________________Bitcoin-development mailing listhttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development

‎The reason it is in fact wanking is because pgp tried to solve a problem that can't be solved.It tried to provide distributed trust to a system of identity, while still depending on the local government (i.e centralized) for the upstream ID...It's a marriage that has no benefit.What we really want is (decentralized) identity management that allows me to create a new anonymous ID and use that as something more secure than trusting a behavior pattern to proof it's me.Sent on the go. Excuse the brevity.Original MessageFrom: Brian HoffmanSent: 15:35 mandag 15. september 2014To: Jeff GarzikCc: Thomas Zander; Bitcoin DevSubject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Does anyone have anything at all signed by Satoshi's PGP key?I would agree that the in person aspect of the WoT is frustrating, but to dismiss this as "geek wanking" is the pot calling the kettle.The value of in person vetting of identity is undeniable. Just because your risk acceptance is difference doesn't make it wanking. Please go see if you can get any kind of governmental clearance of credential without in-person vetting. Ask them if they accept your behavioral signature.I know there is a lot of PGP hating these days but this comment doesn't necessarily apply to every situation.