awesomoecalypse Profile Joined August 2010 United States 2235 Posts #1







Prior to this GSL, MC's reputation was stellar, but few in the West had really seen him at his best.



But now that he's made the finals, I think it's safe to say that MC is the Protoss hero.



Remember, when everyone was asking for a hero, they had 2 criteria:



1.) He be extremely good (obviously)



and



2.) He have an original and/or exciting playstyle





MC has fulfilled both criteria completely. First of all, he is amazingly good. His PvZ is great--he can play an excellent macro game, and his timing is sensational. But his PvT is where he really shines--I think he is without question the best PvT player we've seen and it's not close.



But he's also terrifically fun to watch. His mechanics are sick, and it really shows in mid and lategame where he always just seems to have way more stuff, and at the same time is always pulling units just out of harm's way with top micro. But what's most amazing is his early-game PvT. Prior to MC, everyone (including Blizzard) believed that PvT was in the T's favor early and the P's late. Well....someone needs to tell MC that, because he has some crazy idea that he can just go kill dudes right off the bat, and it seems to be working for him.



Poll: Is MC the Protoss hero?



Yes (1116)

89%



No (139)

11%



1255 total votes (1116)89%(139)11%1255 total votes Your vote: Is MC the Protoss hero? (Vote): Yes

(Vote): No

*GSL Spoilers*Prior to this GSL, MC's reputation was stellar, but few in the West had really seen him at his best.But now that he's made the finals, I think it's safe to say that MC is the Protoss hero.Remember, when everyone was asking for a hero, they had 2 criteria:1.) He be extremely good (obviously)and2.) He have an original and/or exciting playstyleMC has fulfilled both criteria completely. First of all, he is. His PvZ is great--he can play an excellent macro game, and his timing is sensational. But his PvT is where he really shines--I think he is without question the best PvT player we've seen and it's not close.But he's also terrifically fun to watch. His mechanics are sick, and it really shows in mid and lategame where he always just seems to have way more stuff, and at the same time is always pulling units just out of harm's way with top micro. But what's most amazing is his early-game PvT. Prior to MC, everyone (including Blizzard) believed that PvT was in the T's favor early and the P's late. Well....someone needs to tell MC that, because he has some crazy idea that he can just go kill dudes right off the bat, and it seems to be working for him. He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC

DarkPlasmaBall Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 38960 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:14:46 #2 Possibly.



Who else is there?



Genius talks the talk but hasn't really walked the walk yet.

Tester has a reputation but is pretty much an epic fail as far as GSLs go.



And there are a few other good Protosses by GSL stats and standards; MC seems to be leading the pack by a decent margin.



If I had to choose one, I'd pick MC.

I wouldn't say that there's definitely a single Protoss hero yet though. "There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100

Draconicfire Profile Joined May 2010 Canada 2561 Posts #3 On December 14 2010 13:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

Possibly.



Who else is there?



Genius talks the talk but hasn't really walked the walk yet.

Tester has a reputation but is pretty much an epic fail as far as GSLs go.



And there are a few other good Protosses by GSL stats and standards; MC seems to be leading the pack by a decent margin.



If I had to choose one, I'd pick MC.

I wouldn't say that there's definitely a single Protoss hero yet though.



Pretty much this. He doesn't out as a definite hero, but hes the closest thing we have right now IMO.

Pretty much this. He doesn't out as a definite hero, but hes the closest thing we have right now IMO. @Drayxs | Drayxs.221 | Drayxs#1802

MementoMori Profile Joined April 2010 Canada 419 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:21:53 #4 I think he has to win the GSL for him to really be the hero. Losing to rain would be questionable. But winning the GSL would make him to first protoss to do so (or even get close), and I think then he would deserve it for sure at least for now. for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky

FataLe Profile Joined November 2010 New Zealand 4296 Posts #5 I'm a Tester fan.



Yes MC is the Protoss hero that we've been waiting for. He's achieved what Tester could not.

In my eyes MC has taken Testers throne as far as best Protoss in the world.

We shall see next year if Tester can re-take his crown.



Little bit of Trivia:

The build MC used on Xel'Naga Caverns vs Jinro was first seen used by Tester in G Stars tournament vs MKP. hi. big fan.

GoldenH Profile Blog Joined March 2010 1114 Posts #6 MC isn't really doing anything new, Zergs in the GSL simply haven't adapted to the VR change yet. But they have on the ladder. Against Terran, if you get lucky you can crush them with timing attacks early game. But it's sheer dice rolling luck.



I think MC is a great player, but he's not the toss hero, and people are going to have more trouble emulating him than they will MarineKing. "(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers

TheCabDriver Profile Joined June 2009 Canada 159 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:23:17 #7 On December 14 2010 13:20 GoldenH wrote:

MC isn't really doing anything new, Zergs in the GSL simply haven't adapted to the VR change yet. But they have on the ladder. Against Terran, if you get lucky you can crush them with timing attacks early game. But it's sheer dice rolling luck.



I think MC is a great player, but he's not the toss hero, and people are going to have more trouble emulating him than they will MarineKing.



Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from? Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from? Trippin off the beat kinda, drippin off the meat grinder

hidiliho Profile Joined September 2004 Canada 685 Posts #8



User was warned for this post I have a dream, that some day I wouldn't see any imba comments in GSL threads.

FataLe Profile Joined November 2010 New Zealand 4296 Posts #9 On December 14 2010 13:23 TheCabDriver wrote:

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On December 14 2010 13:20 GoldenH wrote:

MC isn't really doing anything new, Zergs in the GSL simply haven't adapted to the VR change yet. But they have on the ladder. Against Terran, if you get lucky you can crush them with timing attacks early game. But it's sheer dice rolling luck.



I think MC is a great player, but he's not the toss hero, and people are going to have more trouble emulating him than they will MarineKing.



Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from? Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from?

The stoner is right, sarcasm ftw. Anyway, MC might not be doing much of anything new but his execution is what makes the difference. It's near perfected, and of course you know that playing Toss perfectly means you win. Anything less will leave you crushed. The stoner is right, sarcasm ftw. Anyway, MC might not be doing much of anything new but his execution is what makes the difference. It's near perfected, and of course you know that playing Toss perfectly means you win. Anything less will leave you crushed. hi. big fan.

FataLe Profile Joined November 2010 New Zealand 4296 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:27:01 #10 On December 14 2010 13:25 hidiliho wrote:

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2011 will mark the return of Tester.

You heard it here first. 2011 will mark the return of Tester.You heard it here first. hi. big fan.

Polygamy Profile Joined January 2010 Austria 1110 Posts #11 In a lot of ways I think it really comes down to how the finals play out, if MC losses or wins but the games are not played well by both players it wont mean much, but if the games are close and exciting and MC simply plays beautifully to win, then yes I think he will be the hero Protoss is looking for.

GoldenH Profile Blog Joined March 2010 1114 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:28:47 #12 On December 14 2010 13:23 TheCabDriver wrote:

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On December 14 2010 13:20 GoldenH wrote:

MC isn't really doing anything new, Zergs in the GSL simply haven't adapted to the VR change yet. But they have on the ladder. Against Terran, if you get lucky you can crush them with timing attacks early game. But it's sheer dice rolling luck.



I think MC is a great player, but he's not the toss hero, and people are going to have more trouble emulating him than they will MarineKing.



Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from? Everyone knows midlevel diamond players adapt quicker than professional GSL players. Where else would the GSL players get their strategies from?



Say what you want, I've been doing VR builds for months... once you do 500 games with Void Rays you're bound to see someone who has a solid answer. And the Pros have to practice what they know, there's no time for radical new strategies during a tourney. But the 1.1.2 patch made the response to VRs significantly different. I am 100% sure we will see the VR play die next GSL. Say what you want, I've been doing VR builds for months... once you do 500 games with Void Rays you're bound to see someone who has a solid answer. And the Pros have to practice what they know, there's no time for radical new strategies during a tourney. But the 1.1.2 patch made the response to VRs significantly different. I am 100% sure we will see the VR play die next GSL. "(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers

awesomoecalypse Profile Joined August 2010 United States 2235 Posts #13 I am 100% sure we will see the VR play die next GSL.



Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable. Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable. He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC

FataLe Profile Joined November 2010 New Zealand 4296 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:44:24 #14 On December 14 2010 13:30 awesomoecalypse wrote:

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I am 100% sure we will see the VR play die next GSL.



Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable. Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable.

I think he's pointing out that Zergs will now be more anti-air horny than ever. I think he's pointing out that Zergs will now be more anti-air horny than ever. hi. big fan.

LoLAdriankat Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 3954 Posts #15 Is he extremely innovative? No, but he's fucking solid as hell.

Terrifyer Profile Blog Joined August 2007 United States 332 Posts #16 On December 14 2010 13:26 FataLe wrote:

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On December 14 2010 13:25 hidiliho wrote:

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2011 will mark the return of Tester.

You heard it here first. 2011 will mark the return of Tester.You heard it here first.







I TOTALLY have heard it elsewhere actually! I TOTALLY have heard it elsewhere actually! eat shit and die

FataLe Profile Joined November 2010 New Zealand 4296 Posts #17 On December 14 2010 13:48 Terrifyer wrote:

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On December 14 2010 13:26 FataLe wrote:

On December 14 2010 13:25 hidiliho wrote:

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2011 will mark the return of Tester.

You heard it here first. 2011 will mark the return of Tester.You heard it here first.







I TOTALLY have heard it elsewhere actually! I TOTALLY have heard it elsewhere actually!

You heard it here second.



- screw u :3 You heard it here second.- screw u :3 hi. big fan.

Ryalnos Profile Joined July 2010 United States 1614 Posts #18 Lol. I don't get the point of saying *GSL Spoilers* in the first post when the whole title is a giveaway (anyone who cared would have seen the games over the weekend though).

GoldenH Profile Blog Joined March 2010 1114 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-14 04:56:30 #19 On December 14 2010 13:30 awesomoecalypse wrote:

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I am 100% sure we will see the VR play die next GSL.



Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable. Flux Vanes have not been researched in a single GSL game, despite Void Rays being extremely common. How will the change alter that? If anything it makes VR play more likely, because Phoenixes are now much more viable.



VR flux vanes don't matter, the Zerg learning the proper response is what matters, no Zerg I have watched has the proper counter yet, which is corruptor+muta+hydra. Phoenix build time won't change anything about the MU, as the cost stays the same, that is what the limiting factor is. But it will make opening muta weak as there will be a much smaller harass window.



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Watching the July vs oGsMC games are painful. I know July is a great player but it's obvious he just isn't practiced against this play style. He does not realize that he is free to take his third as soon as he sees a VR... so sad. VR flux vanes don't matter, the Zerg learning the proper response is what matters, no Zerg I have watched has the proper counter yet, which is corruptor+muta+hydra. Phoenix build time won't change anything about the MU, as the cost stays the same, that is what the limiting factor is. But it will make opening muta weak as there will be a much smaller harass window.GSL spoilers "(Dudes are) not going to say "Buy this game — I cried at the end". (...) I suppose the secret is to find a game that makes you shoot eight million fuckin' dudes and then cry about how awesome it is to shoot eight million fuckin' dudes." - Tim Rogers

KillerPlague Profile Joined June 2010 United States 1386 Posts #20 On December 14 2010 13:50 Ryalnos wrote:

Lol. I don't get the point of saying *GSL Spoilers* in the first post when the whole title is a giveaway (anyone who cared would have seen the games over the weekend though).



i think you're missing the point of the thread.



i'd vote maybe if there were that option, but as for nwo im undecided. go toss! i think you're missing the point of the thread.i'd vote maybe if there were that option, but as for nwo im undecided. go toss! Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1

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