Okay what you don't understand is that feminism actually does help guys. It allows them to be as feminine or as masculine as they want without judgment. It encourages sharing feelings and being open. What you call "bigotry" is actual GENUINE fear. A real feminist does not hate men, we hate how we are disrespected, degraded, and taken advantage of by men. Fuck "not all men". Not all sharks attack people but the fear is real. I'm not mad, im not hating you. I think you just don't understand.

“…feminism actually does help guys.”



Here’s roughly 50 tangible ways feminism is harmful to men:

1.Feminist say women shouldn’t serve jail time.

2. Feminist fight against men wanting equal treatment in domestic violence cases.

Men don’t want to be thrown in jail because they lost their jobs and temporarily cannot pay child support.

Feminists fought against this, trying to lower the amount to $5000 before a man is guilty of a felony for not paying child support.

How many TANGIBLE examples to you have of feminism helping men? All you’ve given so far are empty, unsupported claims.



“A real feminist does not hate men, we hate how we are disrespected, degraded, and taken advantage of by men.”



There are two problems with this:

You use the no-true-Scotsmen fallacy. What gives you the right to define what a “real feminist” is? Some of the feminist you think aren’t “real feminists” probably don’t consider you a “real feminist” either. What makes your definition any more valid than theirs? I judge feminism by the most prominent accomplishments made in it’s name. Things like the list above. You telling me what feminism is supposed to do does not change what it actually does. I understand perfectly what feminism SHOULD be, but I don’t care. I care about what it IS.

Being treated poorly by a FEW members of a demographic does not justify openly spreading and promoting the hatred of the demographic as a whole. Some people are self-centered, disrespectful and degrading. This is not an exclusively male trait, and to treat it as such is bigotry.

“Fuck ‘not all men’. ”



Fuck “not all Muslims”. Not all sharks attack people but the fear is real.

The presence of fear is not indicative of the level of actual threat that exists. It’s irrational to live in constant fear of sharks. Just like it’s illogical to live in constant fear of Muslim terrorists. Just like it’s illogical to live in constant fear of men.

“I’m not mad, im not hating you.”



Neither am I.

“I think you just don’t understand.”



I’ve heard this argument many times. I’ve MADE this argument many times. The more I understand it, the less validity it has.