DarkShadow6 said:

I disagree. He's still right in all aspects, regardless of how he stated it. I agree with him and I don't have "transphobia"; in fact, one of my favorite tags around here is "herm".

Men are men and women are women, getting an operation where the penis is either surgically removed or peeled like a banana and turned inside-out (not done THAT much research on the subject, but I've seen mention of both methods used in the process of creating an artificial vagina, essentially) doesn't change anything and just seems pointless to me, not mentioning the fact that it may make the patients feel even worse about themselves after the fact.

If it's what someone really wants to do, then no one can really stop them and their opinions take precedence; I, however, still have the ability and right to share my own opinion on the matter. I don't think it's worth the risk of complications, possibly not liking the outcome (it's not like they can go back), the upkeep required, and most certainly it's not worth the price.

Also, unless post-ops get major plastic surgery, they still usually look pretty manly in general facial structure and physique.

If a man really wants to be a woman, and I mean down to the organ, it isn't physically possible unless one has very expensive and painful surgery that results in an imitation that usually isn't very good.

I believe it is possible to be whatever the fuck you want to be in life, but you don't need surgery to obtain it. I believe if, deep down, a person believes they are/should have been born a woman, then they damn well can be, but self-mutilation isn't the way to go.

If one still wants an op, even after weighing the options, then go for it. I hope it makes them happy. tl;dr: flippant is a funny word.

DarkShadow6 said:

I disagree. He's still right in all aspects, regardless of how he stated it. I agree with him and I don't have "transphobia"; in fact, one of my favorite tags around here is "herm".

Men are men and women are women, getting an operation where the penis is either surgically removed or peeled like a banana and turned inside-out (not done THAT much research on the subject, but I've seen mention of both methods used in the process of creating an artificial vagina, essentially) doesn't change anything and just seems pointless to me, not mentioning the fact that it may make the patients feel even worse about themselves after the fact.

If it's what someone really wants to do, then no one can really stop them and their opinions take precedence; I, however, still have the ability and right to share my own opinion on the matter. I don't think it's worth the risk of complications, possibly not liking the outcome (it's not like they can go back), the upkeep required, and most certainly it's not worth the price.

Also, unless post-ops get major plastic surgery, they still usually look pretty manly in general facial structure and physique.

If a man really wants to be a woman, and I mean down to the organ, it isn't physically possible unless one has very expensive and painful surgery that results in an imitation that usually isn't very good.

I believe it is possible to be whatever the fuck you want to be in life, but you don't need surgery to obtain it. I believe if, deep down, a person believes they are/should have been born a woman, then they damn well can be, but self-mutilation isn't the way to go.

If one still wants an op, even after weighing the options, then go for it. I hope it makes them happy. tl;dr: flippant is a funny word.

"just seems pointless to me" is the key phrase here. It shows that you don't understand the issue.

Let's say, for instance, you had sixth toe. And your whole life it's always been something that deeply bothered you. At the most fundamental level you knew it wasn't supposed to be there, it always got in the way, and kept reminding you that there was something wrong with you. It's not supposed to be there, and may not even feel like it's yours/ Now imagine because of your sixth toe, everyone expects you to behave a certain way, to think a certain way, to feel a certain way, to like certain things, to be a certain way, and those things are not you. But throughout your life you've been told and raised to think that it was wrong to be/like/feel/think/behave any other way if you have a sixth toe.

At this point you'd be thinking, "Gee, wouldn't it be wonderful if I could just get someone to take this toe off, even if it means I won't feel the floor quite as well?", but guess what. People you know will remember you had a sixth toe. They'll expect you to still be that person you weren't, and dislike you because you aren't being/liking/feeling/thinking/behaving "like you're supposed to" even though you know that that isn't you. Other people with six toes will shun you because you took yours off, and people with five won't accept you because you used to have six. The only way to stop this is to go somewhere where people don't know you after it's gone and start over, but not only is it extremely expensive to take off, but if anyone finds out your secret you'll be facing the same problem.

But let's say that you feel so strongly that you are not supposed to have six toes that you are willing to face the weird looks, back handed comments, whispers, being ignored, and even downright violence, just so you could look at yourself and not feel /wrong/.

Now you are feeling like someone who is considering going through the transition.

(btw, that's what trans means. It doesn't stick around post op because they re no longer transitioning, they are now their new gender)

P.S. Yes, I know some places are better than others at accepting people with this issue, but nowhere will you find somewhere where this does not exist.

P.P.S. Even in the hypothetical environment where no one expected you to behave in any particular way because of bodily features (good luck, you will never see this in your lifetime) the issue of there being a part on you that isn't supposed to be there/not having something you are supposed to have does not diminish at all, and the reactions to changing that will still be the same.