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"VIDEO: MSNBC's Dan Abrams Calls for Gov. Don Siegelman's Release From Prison Pending Appeal"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 2/28/2008 @ 4:48 am PT...





Fukers won't mention that one of the other guys that was under scrutiny with Don was Jefferson Beauregard Sessions R(obber baron) - Ala.,...chickenshits

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 2/28/2008 @ 4:54 am PT...





...is that why Congress is moving so slow at getting this thing going ? Is Sessions doing something ? Should be looked into IMO.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 2/28/2008 @ 5:05 am PT...





Check this one out about Sessions, it appears that he is an old vote suppressor from way back. Wiki, under controversies Sessions had unsuccessfully prosecuted three civil rights workers (including Albert Turner, a former aide to Martin Luther King, Jr), on a case of election fraud for the 1984 election. Sessions hours interrogating black voters in predominantly black counties, finding only 14 allegedly tampered ballots out of the more than 1.7 million ballots cast. The three civil rights workers were acquitted after four hours of jury deliberation Link

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/28/2008 @ 5:07 am PT...





I watched and Dan Abrams does a wonderful job of covering the issues. How refreshing to see real MSM journalism, cause it is cool stuff I had read about in history books, and now I know why they made such a deal about it in those days.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/28/2008 @ 5:15 am PT...





We can expect bushie league justice just us to continue in McCain. Evidently McCain is not a natural born Citizen, and is unqualified to be the American President. When asked, he said "it depends on what the meaning of is is". He also said he was running for the Amurkan Preznit position so it doesn't matter anyway. He finished by saying "preznit blush wasn't qualified either, but to our 5 Supreme Republican Delegates on the Supreme Court, who choose preznit blush, that law only applies to democrats".

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 7:02 am PT...





At least there's no unconstitutional state secrets to hide behind on this one!

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Diane said on 2/28/2008 @ 9:19 am PT...





It would be intersting to know if transcripts from other cases that were tried 18 months ago have been released by the government..and how long it to for the requests to be fulfilled.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 2/28/2008 @ 10:17 am PT...





Ancient, #6, There aren't in any of the other stuff either, but that doesn't bother them!

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 2/28/2008 @ 2:55 pm PT...





Hmmm... Its not the just about the federal prosecutors that were

fired ... It's ALL the prosecutors that were left on ... Thom Hartman.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... MarthaMitchell2 said on 2/28/2008 @ 3:07 pm PT...





So what else happened in Boston, besides Siegelman supporting Gore? Maybe Fuller's sitting on the transcripts to run everything past "statutes of limitations" because that's how lawyers play their little games. If goodness loves America, they'll all get caught and slammed with RICO charges and we can start next year with a new crop who will know the net dogs are watching. This particular group of criminals wreaks.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... mick said on 2/28/2008 @ 3:34 pm PT...





OT your $$$$$ @ work. Gaza Massacre p.s. send more money ,the tanks burn a lot of fuel.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 4:09 pm PT...





So true 99, but I sure would like to see this state secret shit challenged by a group of law makers who actually understand the Constitution. That crap allows them to start wars, strip civil liberties, and falsely prosecute at will because nobody gets to see the evidence. When I was reading Madison's biography this passage couldn't be anymore pertinent than today: James Madison in his 1795 “Political Observations” wrote:

“Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.

War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.

In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people.

The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, engendered in both.

No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.

War is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement. In war, a physical force is to be created; and it is the executive will, which is to direct it.

In war, the public treasuries are to be unlocked; and it is the executive hand which is to dispense them.

In war, the honors and emoluments (medals) of office are to be multiplied; and it is the executive patronage under which they are to be enjoyed; and it is the executive brow they are to encircle.

The strongest passions and most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast; ambition, avarice, vanity, the honorable or venal love of fame, are all in conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace.” He would be puking to see this out of control executive and portions of our intelligence and defense communities coupled with the revolving door of the military industrial congressional lobbying oil complex. Talk about inevitable endless war were always just one more false flag away from!

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 4:14 pm PT...





Hey Mick, the link's not working. {Ed Note: It is now. --99)

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 2/28/2008 @ 4:56 pm PT...





I just took a quick look at Kos. I don't go there very often. Maybe I have missed this. Maybe a good Kossack can inform us if Kos has made any posts about Siegelman. I did see Kos mention Dan Abrams' show today, so he has no excuse not to cover this story. Midday open thread

by kos

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:12:25 PM PST ..... Ha ha. Jack Kingston goes on Dan Abrams' show to blast Obama's lack of flag lapel pin and, to Abrams' amusement, goes on the air without a flag lapel pin. If Kos has personally looked into this story, he's not making that too easy to find. And if he hasn't posted on this, is that not more circumstantial evidence that Kos is a Republican in Democratic clothes?

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 2/28/2008 @ 5:11 pm PT...





Dana Siegelman has made four threads at DailyKos. http://dana-siegelman.dailykos.com/ I haven't looked through any of these yet. But her first entry from 11/27/07 had 266 comments. 11/30/07 8 comments

12/24/07 69 comments

01/07/08 4 comments How is DailyKos not a gatekeeper website? From The Karl Rove Troll Linguistic Manual 1) ignore

2) if that doesn't work, ridicule

3) if that doesn't work, attack In this case, #3 sent an innocent man to prison for being a popular Democratic.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 2/28/2008 @ 5:25 pm PT...





Ok. I have one more post. I found Larisa RawStory's posts at DailyKos. http://www.dailykos.com/user/uid:37593 I won't list the # of comments for her entries like I did before, but they are very low. So how exactly is Kos supporting "netroots?" Anyway, her last entry was on Nov. 27th, 2007, and it did have to do with Mr. Siegelman. I am not sure why this was never posted here, but I think it incredibly important that all Americans understand what has happened in this case. ## The Permanent Republican Majority - Part I: The Political Prisoner:

by Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane

.... Maybe the answer to her question is that Kos is a gatekeeper.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... albertchampion said on 2/28/2008 @ 7:17 pm PT...





ah, this is one of the hidden aspects of the amerikan judicial system. i was once involved as a plaintiff in a major piece of anti-trust litigation. the jury found for this plaintiff. but two days later, the federal district judge, a republican appointed by ronald raygun, selected by james baker, reversed the verdict[did you know that this can be done]. the defendant was a major creator of the modern fascist party[aka republican]. call it one of the founders of the heritage foundation. of course, i decided to appear this judges' override of a jury verdict. we actually received the trial transcript in a timely fashion. but we could not make our appeal because the judge refused to enter an official order in the matter. if a judge fails to enter an order, nothing further can proceed. this becomes a very dicey situation. what do you do? it as if your litigation never occurred. the only recourse is going to the appellate level and seeking a writ of mandamus. though this is not beloved by the federal judiciary, eventually we made that move. and the relevant circuit eventually issued a writ of mandamus, which ordered the federal district court judge to issue his final order. still he failed to do it. after some months, we filed another request for a writ of mandamus. and it was issued. long and the short of it, it wasn't until the third writ of mandamus and the retirement of warren burger that the judge finally issued his final order. the story is much deeper than that, but suffice it to say, the barriers to achieving justice when the judiciary is part of a political apparat are virtually insurmountable. it is also important to note, here, that virtually all federal judges receive their appointments based on their financial contributions to a political party. as a lawyer friend of mine, with great family wealth in ohio, said to me shortly after being admitted to the ohio bar in the early 1970's, "if i gave $250,000 to either the republican or the democratic party, i could become a federal judge almost immediately." there is the system. still a spoils[patronage] system.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 7:31 pm PT...





Yeah Mick, my government keeps it's thumb up its butt, with gay marriage, sport druggies, bandaide economics, government run media jabberwocky, and go nowhere investigations while slaughtering humans and the planet with our money and in our names. Clue America... those were amurkan weapons that killed those babies! Wow there #17, thanks for the info!

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 9:45 pm PT...





Thanks as always 99.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 2/28/2008 @ 9:47 pm PT...





Hey Socrates, good score keepin!

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... mick said on 2/28/2008 @ 10:12 pm PT...





thanks 99

mick

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 2/29/2008 @ 12:13 am PT...





Hmmm... What sanctimonious dribble ... Israeli's are just doin a little house keeping.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... mick said on 2/29/2008 @ 12:32 am PT...





J o J

got any more twin towers that need cleaning ?

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 2/29/2008 @ 1:07 am PT...





CRAP, JoJ! DID YOU MEAN THAT? OR WERE YOU JUST BEING BLACKLY IRONIC? IF THAT WAS HATE SPEECH, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH EPITHETS TO COVER HOW FILTHY THAT IS. This is about the fifth time this sort of thing has been a question, and if it happens again you're going on the moderation queue. Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! If you weren't being ironic, I'd like to do more than that!

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 2/29/2008 @ 1:17 am PT...





Mick, What does the WTC have to do with hamas?

Granted the official parties line on 911 is crap.

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 2/29/2008 @ 1:44 am PT...





99 ~ where do you get hate speech from that? You are wrong to yell, threatening to moderate & "do more than that!" ... to me all for having an opinion that's different than yours! I demand an apology.

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 2/29/2008 @ 2:29 am PT...





Israelis slaughtering Palestinian children is "housecleaning"? You're going to get an apology when hell freezes over. If you meant that, and putting it together with "sanctimonious dribble" certainly heavily implies you did, you're lucky I don't know how to put you in the electrified keyboad queue.

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Roy said on 2/29/2008 @ 5:17 am PT...





How can America even broach the subject of Human rights and political prisoners when we may have one in the deep deep South? I don't think we can as long as this American is denied a transcript and appeals process.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 2/29/2008 @ 8:00 am PT...





Thanks Ancient. I've been getting a bit more confident lately to post at this blog. I was gonna make another one last night. But to be honest, a good blogpost takes a lot of energy. Anyway, good folks can try this for scorekeeping. I went to Boston.com, the Boston Globe's domain. I plugged in Don Siegelman. There weren't many results. The few recent ones were from news wires. A good chunk of the results only mention Siegelman in passing. These could be found in the Business section where the main point of the stories were about Scushy or Scrushy, sorry, can't remember the spelling. But then I plugged in Paris Hilton for the kicks. Tons of results. I am ashamed that until recently, I didn't know about this story. It would be nice if a good Kossack has any knowledge if Kos personally has posted on this story. If not, then what does that say about Kos? Brad and Larisa should consider making us a forum. Progressives, liberals, and sincere people in general are tired of being herded into the DailyKos and Democratic Underground. I actually stopped reading the Globe a few years back. They recently bumped the price up to 75 cents. No thanks. I usually go to Boston.com just for the sports.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 2/29/2008 @ 12:37 pm PT...





The Don Siegelman story is just one of the (TOO) many nut shells of the abuse of power, corruption, injustice, violation of constitutional oaths, main $trean media failure/corruption = mediaruption, election rigging fraud &&& the democrat's impotence (reid/pelosi) that SO exemplifies fucking bush reich.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/1/2008 @ 11:30 am PT...





Both those posters above were wrong, and the whole thing seemed scripted. Otherwise, they should be happy to be useful idiots making BradBlog look like crazy "conspiracy nutters." One guy calls killing innocent babies housecleaning. The other dude said that Israel did 9/11. The whole exchange reeked of being scripted to give BradBlog a bad name. What any of that has to do with Siegelman is beyond me. Hey guys, congratulations for sounding like spooks.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... mick said on 3/1/2008 @ 2:04 pm PT...





.. socrates if I'm a"spook" your countries in bigger trouble than even you know ! "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... mick said on 3/1/2008 @ 2:41 pm PT...





"What any of that has to do with Siegelman is beyond me." from before Sequoia corrupted/fixed the 2000 election up to "Mukasey refuses probe of Bush aides" everything is connected ...everything Iran gets sanctions and the threat of invasion for ignoring 1 UN resolution ,how many has Israel ignored ...and you increase their Aid for weapons .By the way "google" "Israel's Nukes".

It's only inhumane if somebody else does it. Empires always rot from within ...yours is no different.

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/1/2008 @ 3:16 pm PT...





got any more twin towers that need cleaning ? Mick, this is where you messed up. What are you gonna do, link to Mike Rivero? Does Brad want that here? I doubt it.

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/1/2008 @ 3:27 pm PT...





also, I said you guys sounded like spooks. I rarely call people out for being disinfo. If one is gonna do that, they better have some damn good proof. Speaking of which, I have found closure with Fintan Dunne, Steven Hertzberg of ESI, Kos, Democratic Underground, Brad, Bev, and Raw Story. Fintan Dunne has taken over my username at his breakfornews disinfo website. He is doing what Kos does as regards to not letting people off his member list. Here's a preview. Fintan Dunne called out Brad, Larisa, and Bev as being CIA fakes. Who did he leave off the list? Democratic Underground and the DailyKos. Please connect the dots folks. Steven Hertzberg was a prolific poster at break for news. His username was turned into a guest, making it more difficult to check out his posts. My account is still active. But I now need to go to a proxy to view that dive. My password no longer works.

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/1/2008 @ 3:36 pm PT...





One last thing. There is nothing at Dunne's place on Siegelman except for one obscure thread from a long time ago which Dunne ignored. Before he stole my username, Paulo_Freire, I took him to task for having no proof for his fakes list and for ignoring the Siegelman story. I requested that I be turned into a guest, i.e., taken off the members list. Members are unable to do that. Only the admin can. So Hertzberg is scrubbed and pruned, while I am held prisoner? I believe that Dunne and Hertzberg were attempting to disseminate disinfo through using tactics similar to those used by cults. How was Hertzberg's cover blown? He told his name to another member who requested it, in exchange for going on skype with him. But Hertzberg later pissed that person off. That dude revealed Hertzberg's name. Then that got scrubbed quick. But a third poster took the name and ran with it. Hertzberg was already all over Ron Paul, had already posted about his website ronpaulonline. The third poster connected the dots. He posted about ESI. Hertzberg/Navari had already tried to bully me before. When I learned that he was Navari, then I ran with the ball. I am a nobody who is sick and tired of all the bull happening on the internet. I have been fighting back.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... mick said on 3/1/2008 @ 4:10 pm PT...



COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/1/2008 @ 7:08 pm PT...





This isn't my blog, so I'll try not to sanctimoniously dribble. There was simply no need to go into the 9/11 and equate it to Israelis. I'd have rather heard some reliable news about Israel and the occupied territories or more about the tragedy that Mr. Eugenics termed as "housecleaning." I finished that post about Hertzberg and Dunne but am gonna try to get it into a newer thread. It also refers to BradBlog, Bev Harris {even John Dean is somehow in there}, Raw Story, DailyKos, and the Democratic Underground.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/1/2008 @ 7:56 pm PT...





socrates ~ I was begging to think you were ok until you miss quoted me "house keeping" & implying that I am a fan of eugenics I am NOT!

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/1/2008 @ 8:30 pm PT...





I'm really sick of folks blaming Israel for everything bad that happens over there. Hiding behind children I expect from the sanctimonious right, gop propagandaists etc. Israel does not target children. palastinian terrorist do target children and torture gratuitously. Gory photo's is no argument since both sides can claim that. I expect a little better from so called "enlightened" folks.

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/1/2008 @ 9:00 pm PT...





socrates ~ I'll that slide. This is a great blog with great folks. In general ~ It's not hard to get carried away at times when the burden of being aware of so much injustice is your gift.

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/2/2008 @ 11:29 am PT...





Hmmm... What sanctimonious dribble ... Israeli's are just doin a little house keeping. The moderator asked you to explain. You didn't. House keeping or house cleaning? What's the difference? Agent99 said it was about the fifth time this has happened. I think both you and Mick were wrong. Mick was ok to begin with, he said it was off-topic. You really crossed the line with using the phrase house keeping to describe 20 people dead with ten of them babies. Then Mick wrote pretty much that Israel was behind the 9/11. Great, tough to take either side. We are left with a head scratching enigma of a confrontation. You damaged the BradBlog. Instead of admitting you messed up, you tried to justify what you posted. When I make a mistake, I admit it. If I ever get feedback from Brad or 99 or any of the other posters I respect, then I'll weigh their words. Yours don't mean much to me now. Maybe eugenics was the wrong word to use. But I don't see any explanation from yourself about "house keeping." Good luck trying to explain that one. You might want to google the word humility.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/2/2008 @ 1:19 pm PT...





I was wrong! to say "house keeping" and should have said retaliating.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/2/2008 @ 2:35 pm PT...





It's obvious some folks including the this moderator have an Israel bashing agenda. socrates ~

If you want to continue to rub my face in it that's an issue unto itself.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 3/2/2008 @ 4:35 pm PT...





No. It's obvious Israel has a Palestine-annihilating agenda, and I'm bloody sick of the heartache, sick of the EXCUSES, sick of the fucking relentless killing and OUR culpability for it. It makes me exponentially angrier to have to look at my fellows at Brad Blog talking like the murder is mere cleaning, let alone justified. I'm not kidding. It feels as though you injected Liquid-Plumbr into my veins. Can we just shut up, here, about this now? There is a wrongfully convicted man sitting in jail because of political criminals, and all this vitriol has bubkes to do with his desperately unAmerican incarceration.

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/2/2008 @ 4:36 pm PT...





socrates ~ Assuming you were trying to be a fair mediator ... I allowed you to play upon my emotions with "You damaged the BradBlog." not knowing if that statement has any validity.

You have now poisoned the well between us!

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/2/2008 @ 4:38 pm PT...





I'm not gonna risk my posting privileges by continuing with this dialogue. I will just say it was a lot easier to sympathize with Israel when Rabin was the leader.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 3/2/2008 @ 4:41 pm PT...





I just saw the new posts. I abide to Agent99's moderating.

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... JUDGE OF JUDGES said on 3/2/2008 @ 5:14 pm PT...

