This is the fundamental problem of your argument. You're working on the assumption that tournaments are training grounds, they're not. Click to expand...

That's the whole point of this debate obviously../facepalm Click to expand...

Everyone opposing it is wrong. Click to expand...

What if my coach is Mango and the only coach available to you is your cousin who's a (bad) Brawl player that doesn't know a thing about Melee? Because that's the heart of my argument, it's not about whether it helps improve people, of course it does. Click to expand...

Besides, nobody's stopping people from coaching eachother during friendlies and giving advice outside of tournaments. So nobody's trying to stop "the knowledge of high level play" from spreading. Click to expand...

Not really, both in the brawl and melee community I've seen this argument used as an excuse to not instate a rule.It depends on how you look at them, are any of our tournaments, or players, sponsored? Are contracts signed between the players and the TO's? Or are these community hosted and run events with no real rules to dictate what is 'fair' and what is not other than stage and item restrictions.What I was saying is since there is no current rules in place, so to quote some tired out arrogant way of copping out of a debateAs it stands coaching is entirely acceptable in any setting.Notice how I started the sentence with 'I feel'. I was not stating a fact, merely an observation. The smash community as a whole seems to oppose any change to the 'tried and true' methods of playing the game. No items, Fox only, Final destination would make us happy.How is having a bad coach different in melee than in any other sport? If you're learning from the wrong people, it's going to weigh heavily on your game. Whether they're talking in your ear while you're playing a bracket match or telling you the best way to get back onto the stage is to press R on the ledge during a friendly. The people you have available to you as training partners/coaches is going to affect how good of a player you are regardless of if they are available at the tournament or not.What if ones friendly playstyle differs from his tournament playstyle? It's much easier to see and take advice when it's happening rather than after the fact between a match. I've seen my friends get nervous and make stupid mistakes, and I've told them during the set to calm down and seen them heed it. But I've also waited in between the set to tell them and have it take no effect. If you say this is part of becoming a better player, then how do I coach that? 'Hey stop losing focus in tourney matches'.And to go back to what I said earlier, what dictates coaching? What if as a coach I've worked with my player before and seen him forget to read techs, or forget to read jumps and during a match I say'Start reading those tech's' or'Watch out for his 2nd jumps'. Is that too coachy? What if I get more specific and say'punish those 2nd jumps out of combo's' or more specifically'he's jumping out of your throws, wait for it'.What about 'shield more' or'you don't have to approach' or'make him approach''grab the ledge'.Please explain to me how you're going to limit what people say.'No one is able to shout/scream/whisper/utter/purvey/act out/do/say/or think anything that could or would affect the outcome of a singles bracket match under punishment of disqualification from the tournament.'We are an underground gaming community, part of that is crowd interaction, if you're not use to it, get use to it.