(Note - the following article, now in wide circaltion on the net, does not necessarily represent the views of this website or its sponsors. Mr. Phillips is welcome to write a response/rebuttal of his choosing and it will be promptly posted with this article.) By Ray Bilger From www.davidicke.com

7-12-00 Notice: David Icke, www.davidicke.com, David Icke E~Magazine, and/or the donor of this material may or may not agree with all the data or conclusions of this data. It is presented here 'as is' for your benefit and research. For those who have not heard of the man named Mark Phillips, he claims to be a "former" (retired) C.I.A. operative who was involved in mind control programming. Mark alleges that after he got out of the C.I.A., he decided he wanted to do something good. So he "rescued" an MKULTRA mind control victim, Cathy O'Brien, and together they wrote a book, Trance Formation of America, and now they travel around the United States on a speaking tour. It is this writer's contention that Mark is NOT a "former" operative, but that he is still heavily involved with the Agency, even though he may not know he is being programmed and used. What you are about to read is the culmination of over 3 years of research and investigation into who Mark Phillips is, and why he is doing what he is doing. The statements made herein and the conclusions reached are not made lightly. This is very serious business and Mark Phillips is a very clever and ingenious man with a very clearly defined agenda. Unfortunately, that agenda does not appear to serve the interests of truth, but, in fact, it appears to be for the specific purpose of misinforming and misleading the public about what is really happening in America and the world. And it most certainly appears that Cathy O'Brien simply has a new handler who goes by the name of Mark Phillips. The information used to compile this work has been drawn from numerous sources, including from a "close personal friend," Janus (not her real name-she is concealing her true identity for the present time), from others who have had the misfortune of being deceived by Mark, from Mark's own words, and from the observations of myself and others who have seen Mark in action as he does his work. Let's begin with Janus, as this is where I first saw the real Mark Phillips begin to show his true self. Janus has been tortured and abused through MKULTRA trauma-based mind control programming since she was a baby. Her father, a career U.S. Military man, began sexually abusing her at a very early age. He has long been a personal friend of Gerald Ford, with whom Janus had much sexual contact while she was young. Janus has been to Bohemian Grove in California, to the White House many times, and around the world, and she has been sexually abused by Ronald Reagan, Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Walter Cronkite, numerous other American officials, foreign heads of State, the Royal family in England, and on and on the list goes. About the time Janus reached her thirties she was becoming less and less useful to her handlers, and she began to try to escape from the tortured life of abuse she had known. Her attempts to do this were met with swift and brutal retaliation to remind her that she should never again think of doing that. It eventually became apparent that she was being set-up to have an auto accident that was intended to result in her death. In the mid-1990s her car was hit from the rear by a tractor-trailer, but she escaped with relatively minor injuries. In late 1996, while driving on a lonely stretch of road, Janus was involved in an auto accident where she was forced off the road by another car. She crashed head-on into a bridge abutment and her car burst into flames. Good fortune, or perhaps her own destiny, brought other motorists (including friends of mine) to the scene immediately who put out the fire, and worked as quickly as possible to cut her out of the car. The engine was in her lap, and she died twice and was revived before she was out of the car and into a helicopter on the way to the hospital. I first met Janus in early 1997 when I heard from a close friend (who had been at the scene of her accident) that Janus said she had worked underground at China Lake Naval Weapons Station in the California desert. I wanted to interview her about this, and she hesitatingly agreed. We got to know each other over the next couple of months (this is when I first found out about her being a victim of MKULTRA). In early April of 1997, a local TV station near my home was conducting a TV interview with a group of U.F.O. enthusiasts, and Janus and I happened to be present at the time. It was suggested by someone that if they wanted to know about mind control they should talk to Janus. Janus nervously agreed, and told the interviewers a little bit about the subject. Remember, she was just beginning to break out of her programming, and she was very unsure of anything. She had never known a moment of freedom in her life, and she was still a long way from feeling it then. She didn't know how to think, as she had never been allowed to do so before. The word about Janus' interview must have traveled fast, because the very next morning she got a phone call from her main handler, her uncle, and he said to her, "Who the hell have you been talking to?" He went on to tell her she would be leaving early the next morning to come and see him, and that "it was time that her family took care of her." Janus called me later that same day and told me she would be going away for awhile and that she wouldn't be seeing me. She told me about what her uncle had said-that her family was now going to take care of her. I couldn't stop thinking about the double meaning of this expression, and I sensed that what it spelled was death. After all, Janus does have information that could seriously bring damage to the federal government and those pedophiles at the top who run things. Never before had she attempted to go public with her experiences. I said nothing about her going away (I sensed that her phone was probably being tapped), but made plans in my mind to go see her that evening. When I got to her house, about an hours-drive south of where I live, she was surprised to see me. She had a suitcase packed, and I told her of the probable fate that awaited her if she left the next morning. After talking with her for awhile, I was able to convince her that she should come and stay with me for the time being. On Sunday, April 13, 1997, David Icke spoke to an audience in Tehachapi, California. Janus and I attended and her spirits were lifted as David talked about what he was currently working on-exposing the pedophile governments around the world. After the talk, I spoke with David privately and explained our situation. David was very interested in interviewing Janus, and since he had to leave the next morning we arranged to do so that same evening at the home of a mutual friend, a retired doctor, who also happened to be one of the people at the scene of her auto accident in late 1996. That evening, we went back to the doctor's house and spent the next several hours listening to and recording a bizarre story that included Las Vegas, Nevada, the international pedophile capitol of the world. We were told that this is the place where people such as Britain's Prince Charles came to spend time with young boys. David got some good confirmation on things he himself had already been investigating. At this point I had never met Mark Phillips, though I very much wanted to. On two prior occasions where I could have heard Mark and Cathy speak, I suddenly had to go away to Los Angeles on business. In retrospect I now know that this was probably meant to be, as we appeared to be destined to meet under very different circumstances. David knew Mark Phillips and said that he would call him to see if he might be interested in meeting with Janus, as Mark was scheduled to be on the west coast shortly. Soon I was personally speaking with Mark Phillips in Tennessee, and he arranged to meet with Janus and myself while he was in San Diego in late April of 1997. Janus and I arrived in San Diego the day before we were to meet, and relaxed as best we could. During this time I had to be ever alert as Janus would just go walking off, not knowing where she was going or what she was doing. It was as though she was mentally disconnected. At the time I knew very little about the real workings of mind control, but I have subsequently learned a lot, and we are both learning more each day. Anyway, we met Mark and Cathy the next day and the four of us spent the next 8 hours in their hotel room. Janus had forgotten her reading glasses and Mark said she would need them. So, we went back to our hotel to get her glasses. On the way driving back to our hotel, Janus said she was extremely uncomfortable about Mark. She said she felt that he was a doctor and that he wanted to lock her up in a mental institution. I didn't think that we would ever get back to their hotel, but I was eventually able to convince Janus that Mark appeared to mean well and that if he tried to do anything I would take her out of there immediately. I said she should at least give him a chance since we had come a long way to be there. Not knowing any better, I felt that her programming and her microchip implants were probably telling her not to go to see someone who could really help her with her problem. I have since learned that Janus is extremely perceptive about many things, no doubt due at least in part to all that she has seen and been through in her life. Mark was very emphatic about us not ever saying to anyone that we had met privately with him in this way. We agreed not to say anything. Mark then proceeded to talk to Janus and ask her all sorts of questions. He had her sit at a small desk and answer lists of various questions-things like what is your favorite food and what is your favorite color. These were questions she could not answer, because, as I was later to find out, she had never been allowed to think or make a decision on her own. Mark made a quick examination of the back of her head and said that she had no implants. During the entire 8 hours, Mark chain-smoked cigarettes, pack after pack, while Cathy sat on the bed and said almost nothing until later on. While Janus was answering the written questions, and for most of the entire time, Mark directed almost all of his attention to me. He explained that Janus did not appear to be a mind control victim, that she probably was not abused, and that her problem definitely appeared to be a chemical imbalance in the brain. He suggested that this was making her extremely depressed. In fact, Mark said to Janus, "You are the most depressed person I've ever seen in my life." Those were very powerful words to a woman in such a delicate situation. Mark suggested some hospitals where I might be able to get Janus some serious help, if I was really interested in helping her, and I wrote down this information. Cathy O'Brien eventually spoke and said, "You should be glad you and your children have not been abused." By the time we left, Janus was shattered and had a splitting headache! Since I was only beginning to unravel who Janus really was-remember, she never had the chance to have a real identity, only multiple personalities generated from trauma based programming-I believed what Mark had said, and now felt like I really had my hands full. Mark led me to believe I should be very careful for my own safety, so when we got home I hid all of the kitchen knives. The next three days were some of the most difficult (and yet ultimately rewarding) of my life. I could not convince Janus to go to a hospital. She felt they would only do something terrible to her, and she just wanted to leave and run away. From everything she was saying, and from everything that Mark had said, I felt that something wasn't quite right. I still believed Mark must know what he was talking about, but I didn't know what to do. After three days, I knew that Janus would not be going to a hospital voluntarily, and it began to appear that Mark had not told me the whole truth. Shortly after that, on May 2, 1997, we were driving around in the evening and we happened to turn on the radio and heard Lou Epton's radio talk show on AM 840 KXNT out of Las Vegas. His guests were none other then Mark Phillips and Cathy O'Brien on their west-coast tour. We pulled the car over to a nice area and listened to the radio. Pretty soon Lou was taking telephone calls. I later obtained an audio-tape of the program to be absolutely certain of what Mark said. A caller to the program asked if Henry Kissinger is a pedophile? Mark answered, "No one has ever named Henry Kissinger as a pedophile. No one, that is, with any credibility has ever been able to show any kind of proof that he was involved in any sort of pedophilic activity." That sounds like a very thorough and well rehearsed response. Was Mark intentionally concealing Henry's very real pedophile activities? If so, why? Mark Phillips, who appears as though he is very knowledgeable about who the pedophiles are in our government, would have to be naïve not to know about Henry Kissinger. Janus has been sexually abused by Henry several times at Bohemian Grove, and so has another woman (a MKULTRA victim) who will be introduced later in this article. But one of the most striking things about the program was a caller from Las Vegas who asked Mark to comment on the pedophile activity in Las Vegas that takes place with the casinos. Mark responded, " &I don't happen to have any [information on that] and neither does Cathy O'Brien & As far as this being necessarily a center of that activity, I don't think so." That response is either a clear indication that Mark does not know what he is talking about, or else it is a very big intentional cover-up of the truth. Earlier in the program, Mark had said that "Muskegon, Michigan is considered the capitol of the United States for pedophilia." Janus' comment was that, indeed, there is pedophile activity in Michigan, but it is by no means the capitol. Was Mark's comment designed to intentionally divert attention away from Las Vegas? Janus and I sat there and looked at each other, and I realized that I had been taken for a big ride. It seemed inconceivable that Mark would not know that Las Vegas is the pedophile capital of the world. Of course, it appeared that he really did know better. I was mad, but I felt like this had all just been a test, and I felt somehow like I had passed it. I have had a long time since then to think about all of this (and discuss it with others who are familiar with MKULTRA, or who have met Mark) and put the pieces of the puzzle together. And the conclusion I have reached I believe to be the truth. Before we ever met Mark Phillips, he must have been briefed about us, and he was told that Janus had to be eliminated, but that the only way to get to her was to get through to me, as I was protecting her. That's why all of his attention was focused on me. At the same time he did everything he could to make Janus look like a complete idiot, hoping that that would help convince me to drop her. But his plan (or the plan of his controllers) didn't work. Mark does his job very well, I must say, but it is not the job that most people think it is. As I thought and thought about all of this and tried to put it into context with the Big Picture, of which this is but a small part, I finally came to the realization of who Mark Phillips is and why he had to be created. The Elite One World forces who run the world from behind the scenes began to realize several years ago that some of the many MKULTRA mind controlled sex slaves (and others) were escaping, and some of them were talking. So, a conscious decision was made that a program needed to be put into place to counter any potential damage such exposure might produce. To some extent, the mind control programming takes care of this itself. For example, many are programmed to self-destruct if they should ever escape. This programming would be activated when the victim/survivor begins therapy and too much is beginning to be remembered. Being programmed to drink heavily at such time is one example of this self-destruction. Or, as one woman I know about said, she has a neutron bomb implanted in her stomach and she is afraid it will be detonated at any time. These people are programmed to say the most unbelievable things, so that when an unenlightened person hears them they will think they are insane and in need of institutionalization. And if they get that, then they can be "fixed" permanently. In any event, it appears that the powers that be put into motion a very complex plan that involved Mark and Cathy, and an unenlightened and unsuspecting public. They figured that if they could make it look like a rogue C.I.A. agent went astray and "rescued" a MKULTRA mind controlled sex slave, and escaped with her to write a book about it, and if it was all done just right, then the public might just buy it. And that plan has worked very well. The book would have to contain enough factual truth to be interesting, and believable enough for the public to buy it. But then the real purpose of the whole plan would follow-travelling around the country on a speaking tour, where Mark Phillips (the expert) could answer questions, and debunk the real damage that has been (and is still being) done, and to tell those victims who might show up that they are really just delusional, that nothing ever happened to them, and that they should go to a hospital where they can get proper treatment! The Elite's choice of Mark Phillips for this extremely important assignment was an excellent decision, as he does his job very well. He may himself be a mind control victim. Cathy's life seems to be better, but she is not free from the mind controlling, she just has a new handler named Mark! Think about their whole story seriously for a moment. Don't you think that if the Elite Controllers wanted Mark and Cathy dead, that they would be dead by tonight? These Controllers kill presidents if they want to, but somehow they can't seem to kill a couple who are openly speaking to the public, and who stay in public hotels? Let's listen to some of Mark's own words from his speech before an audience as he opens for Cathy. This quote (from 1996) comes after he has given a very lengthy explanation about all that he has done with the C.I.A. in the past: [Quoting] I went to see a friend of mine from the U.S. Intelligence, and he was a General. And I explained to him what I had heard and what was going on, and I said, "This looks and smells and tastes exactly like mind control." He said, "That's exactly what it is. The country is just saturated with it &" I said, "Well, all I want to do is find out about this woman that Alex Houston handles, and this little bitty girl, because they are being used, under mind control, and they're being prostituted." And he told me, he said, "Mark, this is the craziest thing that you have ever done in your life. Just forget about it. You didn't cause it. You didn't have anything to do with it. Mark, you just walk away from it &" I said, "No, I'm going to give a little something back &. I'm going to see if I can find this woman and this little girl some help &." I never seen him [the General] again because he passed away &. I decided that I was going to do something to help. [End quoting] What a perfect story. And the General is supposedly dead now, so he can't be found to corroborate or deny Mark's story. It's the age-old story of a brave man who rescues a damsel in distress. It's all just too convenient, but it works so well for the average person. How many thousands, or tens-of-thousands, of people have been mislead or deceived by Mark Phillips? How many of them are real victims, like Janus, who don't need more lies, but need real help? Let's go to another source to see if we can find out more about this man named Mark Philips. For those not familiar with Sherman H. Skolnick, he is a man on the cutting edge of exposing major conspiracies, and he writes about his findings and airs them on public access cable TV in Chicago. Listen to Mr. Skolnick's own words from February of this year (2000): [Quoting] Several years ago this couple [Mark and Cathy] were set to be guests on my public access cable TV program cablecast within Chicago. Before coming here, Mark Phillips called me, as the producer/moderator of the show, and insisted on the following conditions: (1) All my questions were to be put in writing and submitted to them in advance, and (2) I was to make a written, ironclad guarantee that I as the moderator would NOT ask them or her any "negative questions." Having due regard for my integrity and being independent-minded, I refused these outlandish conditions. [End quoting] Now, why would Mark Phillips make such strict and rigid requirements? If he were truly seeking to expose the many parameters of MKULTRA mind control programming, he would welcome any and all questions to help as many people as possible understand the magnitude of what we are facing. But he didn't do that. Mark was taking away the spontaneity that is the very essence of live interviews. Does it seem at all possible that Mark may have wanted to portray things according to a very carefully planned agenda? If this were so, it would seem likely that Mark was intending to establish a very specific perception in the minds of the audience-in line with the overall plan put in place by his own controllers-and he wasn't about to have someone like Sherman Skolnick deviate from that agenda in the slightest. This is very serious, folks, and the stakes couldn't be higher-they are playing with our very Souls! Let's turn now to some of the most compelling information about Mark Phillips, here from a woman who was a MKULTRA victim, and presidential sex toy and personal computer. Brice Taylor was a sex slave to Bob Hope, Henry Kissinger, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Nelson Rockefeller, Gerald Ford, and on and on. Brice lived for a time with Mark and Cathy, supporting all of them, and eventually she was able to publish her book, Thanks For The Memories-The Truth Has Set Me Free, published in 1999, by Brice Taylor Trust, P.O. Box 655, Landrum, South Carolina 29356. Here are some very telling excerpts from her book: [Quoting from pages 268 and 269] A breakthrough occurred. Ted Gunderson called to inform me that he had just heard from another woman [Cathy O'Brien] who lived across the nation, who had also sent him her memory work about being used as a sex slave to Ronald Reagan. Although it was a terrifying time for me, it also was an amazing time of discovery for all of us. Mark Phillips, her so-called therapist and deprogrammer, flew across the nation and told me that "Jimmy Carter's people" had called him in an attempt to stop him from meeting with me. I flew Mark and Cathy O'Brien to California to meet with me for the first time and I put on a seminar where they were the featured speakers. Mark Phillips knew all about my programming. Looking back on it now, he seemed to know way too much. He asked me if I had "a twin sister who was two inches shorter than me." This was a very powerful key and code into the programming of my "inner twin sister," Sharon, and this seemingly simple statement controlled my body in a very intimate way from the outside, showing me while in normal consciousness that I was indeed a robot, and not in control of my own body. Shortly after Mark and Cathy's arrival and seminar, a series of events occurred including an accident and ensuing hospitalization of the person that was living with me as my safe person. Mark Phillips explained that I was not safe in California and once again I ended up running. I paid to fly Mark, Cathy and I back to his mother's home in Charlotte, Tennessee where we began my process of what we then called "deprogramming." Several weeks later, with nearly 10 years of recovery behind me, this so-called "retired?!" C.I.A. operative made dramatic changes in his living arrangements just to "help me deprogram." After relocating across the country to a home in Arab, Alabama, where I paid all domestic expenses for the three of us, a large sum of money for traveling expenses for both he, his girlfriend Cathy, and myself, and a large 'consulting fee,' this renegade C.I.A. operative read my lengthy journal entries daily for a year and a half and agreed that in his own words, "the memory work contains absolute elements of fact laced with verifiable details." But one and one-half years, forty-two journals, and $50,000+ traveling and living expenses later, Mark Phillips informed me that nothing had ever happened to me & nothing what-so-ever! Cathy O'Brien said, "Well, you should be happy that nothing happened and that your children have not been abused!" I couldn't believe she was saying that, after all the common details of our histories we had shared. I was devastated and went to bed and could not eat for three days and remained non-communicative and totally subdued for nearly a month afterwards. After all this time of intensely focused attention on my history, Mark informed me that I had never even been abused, and that I just had a big imagination. But, he seemed to appreciate that I was around to cover all of his expenses. I suspect that Mark is some kind of "containment agent" who is being directed through his "handlers" whose motivations ultimately serve the New World Order. Through his containment expertise, the information I have conveyed to you in this book you are now reading was delayed in reaching you by nearly seven years & I have uncovered a string of lies he told others in an attempt to discredit me. I also reconnected with another Kissinger survivor that Mark Phillips had worked with for a time. Mark Phillips told her the same thing he told me-'THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO YOU!" & I left that home where I had paid all expenses & and went to live in Carbondale, Illinois. [End quoting] It is easy to see from the above that Cathy O'Brien indeed has a new handler, Mark Phillips. It would certainly appear that in their one-and-one-half years together, Brice and Cathy had a lot of time to share their common histories. Yet Cathy didn't seem to have any question whatsoever about Mark's sudden change of mind regarding Brice. On the contrary, Cathy seems to believe what Mark says, and then supports that with her own parroting statements. This acts as reinforcement to what Mark has already said. Very clever, and convenient. Mark has certainly trained Cathy well, and, as it appears, Mark himself has been trained well. Brice Taylor's powerful book is highly recommended reading. It is the book that Trance Formation of America never could be, because of Mark Phillips' agenda. The cover of Mark and Cathy's book says "The True Life Story of a C.I.A. Slave." But that can't be so because even though the book does reveal a great deal of valuable information about mind control, the book doesn't reveal the true identity of who Mark Phillips really is. Since Mark has played such a large part in Cathy's life, and since the book doesn't tell the truth about Mark, by definition the book cannot possibly tell the true life story of Cathy O'Brien, and how she is being used today to help promote the New World Order agenda. Over the past several decades, pedophiles have infiltrated into all levels of our government. It has become so all-pervasive today because once these degenerates get into the very highest levels of government, then they are in a position to appoint others of like mind into all other important positions in our government. This has gone on until we have reached the point where we are today, with pedophiles dominating the Legislative, the Executive, and the Judicial branches of government. Our government today in the United States of America is one huge pedophile government. Have you ever wondered what happens to the ever-increasing number of abducted and missing children in America, and who is doing this? Why don't you ever see any serious TV programs about the thousands upon thousands of America's missing children? Many people might be inclined to believe that a handful of child porno scum are responsible for this atrocity. How many would think that the entire operation is sanctioned and carried out by our own government in Washington, D.C.? Well, that's what is happening, folks, and that is what Mark Phillips is helping to cover-up and protect! (see the book, The Franklin Cover-Up, by John W. DeCamp, copyright 1992, by AWT, Inc., Lincoln, Nebraska) It is a sick world we live in today that greatly needs healing. Mark Phillips is in a very unique and instrumental position to be able to help prevent and put a stop to what is going on. But instead he is helping to perpetuate the abuse and insanity by misleading and misinforming (i.e., lying) to those who most need to hear the truth. The truth is often difficult to accept. Face it, Mark Phillips, that is what the people need and deserve to hear from you. If you can possibly break free from your own mind control programming, don't you think you should tell the people what is really happening in America and the world? Ray Bilger 7-8-00 David Icke WebSite http://www.davidicke.com/ Notice: David Icke, www.davidicke.com, David Icke E~Magazine, and/or the donor of this material may or may not agree with all the data or conclusions of this data. It is presented here 'as is' for your benefit and research.

THE TRUTH ABOUT: The Truth About Mark Phillips

Svengali and His Prize Parakeet - My Respectful Tribute By Jon Gentry <jgentry@bigplanet.com> 7-22-00 I am an event, freelance, videographer. Counting on both hands I have met and videotaped Phillips and O'Brien nine times. Since my earliest meeting with them, June of 1996, I have taken a great deal of flak from ardent supporters for saying Cathy was still under mind control. My evidence? Watching Cathy's eye movements as she accesses eidetic memory. At least Alex Houston used a dummy to talk through (ventriloquist). So, now that the pendulum has swung against Mark Phillips, my unchanged view through these years now appears like support. With all due respect to Ray Bilger's three years of research, the subject is an elephant, and we the blind men. Mark Phillips may look a lot to Ray like the hindquarters, but I see Mark Phillips as a kind of a hero. Why would I call Mark a hero? Because his initial impulse came from a moral sense, a wish to expose the tragedy of MKUltra mind control; just don't make the grave mistake of assuming that individuals from covert government programs (such as Phillips) are operating with the same moral compass (as you and me). Ray Bilger's expose' is hardly timely. Brice and others have been making public statements "Don't send anyone to Mark Phillips," as early as October of 1997, at Sylvia Gillotte's conference in Atlanta, the CT Expo on Ritual Trauma, Child Abuse, and Mind Control. Ray's choice to attack Mark Phillips now, with Dick Cheney being proposed as Dubya's Vice Presidential running mate, could be especially poor judgement; as it confuses the issue of the veracity of the material in TranceFormation of America, Mark and Cathy's ability to communicate that material; with the issue of whether we should be sending recovering MKUltra victims to Mark Phillips (Obviously not). So, what happened to Mark Phillips that he became this ogre? Mark miscalculated the leverage necessary to break free. As a result, Mark has been reduced to playing one power group off against another. From his first call to Dr. Jolly West, Mark gave information "to both sides." "How do you think we stay alive," he confided to a friend. From hints Mark gave, his "insurance policy" contained Operation Paperclip resettlement files; inside info on the Gander Newfoundland crash, and more. Enormous bargaining chips, but apparently.... not big enough. Why? The challenge we all face now: Almost total control of the media; no Court to bring charges in; meaningless Congressional Hearings; no (moral) pulse from the American public; no support from law enforcement; the list goes on. Bill Colby also miscalculated on his insurance policy, and went canoeing. Going public is non-trivial and definitely non-habit forming. In the balance, Phillips and O'Brien have helped literally tens of thousands awaken to the ongoing designs of the New World Order, one world government bunch; and pointed repeatedly and poignantly to their (NWO) Achilles' Heel: their treatment of women and children. I am sure Brice is right that her information has been held back many years. Conversely, there is something to be said for the enormous corroborating power of "the testimony of two or more witnesses." Without Cathy's TranceFormation of America, Brice's Thanks For The Memories would have an incredible credulity gap, uphill battle; still a high hurdle for many new to the subject. In regard to Trance, there was once talk of a production. I had friends going around to Bohemian Grove, and talking to Dick Cheney's constituency. Current arrests of Traficant's aide and many others tend to corroborate that connection. I have independent Charm School/Larry Flynt verification. Info on Operation Brown Stone confirms the (Washington, D.C.) systematic compromising of government officials Cathy described. I have a witness who saw Cathy at Manuel Noriega's in Panama. It all checked out. Cathy's information on Satanist Michael Aquino is confirmed: An officer on Aquino's court martial remarked, "Tip of the iceberg," referring to evidence at trial. It is hard to say how much Trance contributed to the recent John DeCamp success in the Paul Bonacci case (Franklin Coverup). So, I would urge the reader to honor their contribution. I was once joking about "useless eaters" and "kiss-of-death, Henry Kissinger." Chip Tatum (CIA blackops) put his index finger about two inches from my nose and said, "He who criticises Kissinger dies!" Judging by the tone, Chip's total lack of humor, that spoke volumes (an assignment or two?). Essentially, I am not surprised Mark lied about Henry. Being an insider, he knew it could mean bad news. I videotaped Brice Taylor at Global Sciences Congress in Daytona Beach, February of 1998, when she finally overcame that hurdle and "named the names." Few know how big a hurdle that was. It also does not bolster the cause of truth to say we have "one huge pedophile government." That detracts from those within government who continue to leak us information (keep it up folks), and the reality that our government is simply too large, composed of many layers of pencil pushing public servants, David Icke's "pyramid," who really have little to do with the compromised and corrupt individuals at the top. I have spoken to good people from the Reagan era White House who had no clue what went on behind closed doors. I also respectfully disagree with Frm. L.A. Senior Special Agent, Ted Gunderson (FBI) and others who promote numbers like 100,000 children missing every year. In Texas we have the Amber Law, which activates local radio and law enforcement in a concerted effort each time a child goes missing. There simply aren't the numbers, overall, those "thousands upon thousands of America's missing children." It only serves detractors to make such claims. There are those, like Jimmy Rothstein (Fmr. NYPD), who maintain (damage control?) that there is no Satanic underground, just a bunch of sexual sickos. Yet, I have heard from victims/witnesses of Satanic ritual. It exists. It is a most useful tool to silence participants, as there is no statue of limitations on murder. Which is why, Ray, you will never get the whole truth from a Mark Phillips, or any MKUltra victim. They cannot tell the whole story, "what is really happening in America...," without serious legal implications. And Ray, just in case you don't feel I understand, I had my own "Janus." I lived with Gail for a very stormy year and a half. She died in January of 1996. MPD (DID) and involvement in MKUltra; pictures with Ronald Reagan, pictures at the Hefner Mansion, or was that her twin?; and much more. I sit on quiet evenings, maybe sip a little Chardonnay, and listen to our song: Nat King Cole, "Darling, Je vous aime beaucoups,...You've completely stolen my heart." I speculate on what more I could have done with the limited information I had then, to help "put Humpty together again," to heal that most precious person whom I love even now. Having personal experience, I marvel that Ray is not familiar with Gamma personalities, the damage control crew, that lie, misdirect and confuse when an MKUltra person begins to reveal herself to you; an almost inextricable weave of lies and truths that tax the best discernment. I question whether David Icke may regret accepting too readily Arizona's accounts. Time will tell. Likewise, the younger generation of MKUltra victims have such involved programming it is almost analogous to defusing a sophisticated, ticking device. I would advise contacting Brice Taylor and those resources she might direct a person to. It is not an undertaking for the faint-hearted. My best wishes to all in this ongoing tragedy, even to the MKUltra Handlers, those master behaviorists, with all the codes, keys and triggers. Guys, I wish you would all get religion; realize that your pet robots are real people, and defect: come over to our side. We need your skills to help heal what you have wrought over these many years. Respectfully, Jon Gentry Comment Introductory note from Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net 7-22-00 This is for the benefit of the many new correspondents from among the electronic mind weapons community and who may not fully understand that there is a second, large group of government experimentees, colloquially called "MKULTRA survivors", who were in the institutional/drug/child abuse/ ritual abuse experiments which ran from the 50's thru the 70's. Katherine Sullivan has asked me to post this, and I'd like to let new correspondents know that her posting gives us a glimpse of the "flip side" of what we are going through. These folks have had their imprisonment and direct abuse phases ended, but what Katherine is talking about is that the MKULTRA organization still has perps in the field, who keenly want these survivors to be discredited. They "know too much". MKULTRA survivors' minds were filled with hypnotic "triggers" (programming) and the perps Katherine speaks about are taking advantage of their weakened mental state (NOT mental illness, rather, years of hypnotic programming and torture) to keep what they know suppressed. To read up on what their experiences have been like, you can visit the Advocacy Committee for Human Experimentation Survivors - Mind Control (ACHES-MC) at: http://www.aches-mc.org Katherine's own site is listed below, however, her site is not intended to provide MKULTRA history, but rather, to assist MKULTRA survivors to shake off their years of hypnosis and torment and get their lives together. Katherine has generously provided an "EM section" in her memorial garden in remembrance of our torment. In effect, we electronic mind weapons victims have an "MKULTRA heritage", and the experiences of these survivors are POWERFUL assists to convincing the public that there really ARE perps this nasty in every government. Eleanor (Katherine's glimpse into MKULTRA survivorhood follows) Comment From Katherine Sullivan <katydid@mail.cdc.net 7-22-00 I am the woman Brice Taylor mentioned as also having been lied to and more by Mark Phillips. She asked me about four years ago to support her in physically confronting Mark at a conference where he and David Icke and Cathy were all presenting together, in Atlanta. I called Icke's people a week before that conference to let him know what Mark had done to me and Brice, letting Icke know that Mark was a fraud and was very dangerous. I followed the phone call up with a priority mail package, that included sufficient information to show that Mark was dangerous to survivors. Icke never acknowledged my information. The night before the conference started, Brice dropped out of the picture after informing me that "Jesus" told her that it was not her time to confront Mark, which left me alone to do so. (Being a Christian, I was a bit confused about that. If "Jesus" told her to go and to ask me to support her in confronting Mark, then why in the world would "Jesus" change his mind and tell her NOT to go? Claiming getting orders from Jesus and the Holy Spirit can sure help a person avoid taking responsibility for his/her own behavior and decisions...) The second day of the conference, I tried to talk to David alone in a hallway. He looked quite sheepish, clearly recognizing who I was ( it bugged me...he looked SO darned familiar from somewhere in my covert past), ducked his head and walked quickly the other way. He was clearly quite chummy with Mark and Cathy during the entire conference, and I blanched and became physically ill at one point when Cathy played gently with David's hair, and he looked up at her face, beaming like a lover. Not a good sign. So now I am quite amused that Icke, who blatantly reinforces "lizard men" screen memories in high-level MC survivors' minds to discredit them to the public and in court, is suddenly helping to expose Mark. I've seen this behavior before. In this instance, former business partners (Gunderson, Icke, Phillips and Bowart/Kirby) suddenly turn on one of their own, AFTER it is obvious that their partner's are not going to behave and be quiet about his activities. The others had years of warning from the victims, to step out and denounce him. The way I see it, Mark became too much of a liability to them. This behavior on the part of Mark's friends/partners is not dissimilar to when children go to the police and media about a group of criminal cultists who have been ritually traumatizing and raping them for years. The cultists throw out one of their people for the police and legal system to make an open fuss over and slap in prison, and the others continue doing their dirty work just like before, never being legally named. In the MC survivor community, I've seen this tactic taken one step further. "Good guy bad guy" routine. By helping to publicly out their partner, after having been tight with him for many years, it makes other perps look like they are heros. Then the the outed perp's victims (eg: Brice) go running to THEM for protection and information. And the survivor's external control and victimization continues...