Re: Westboro Baptist to Protest Funeral of 9 Year Old Girl Shot by Loughner Quote: Tom Smith Originally Posted by To call that group a "Church" is a joke.



Regardless what anyone's spiritual beliefs are, just consider the notion that this "church" is nothing but a ruse meant to disparage Christianity that is funded by some anti-Christian person or persons to that end. Sound crazy? Why yes it does. I have nothing but suspicions at this point, but see if you don't find these things at least awfully peculiar -



Two Wikipedia entries about this so called church and its so called pastor -



Quote: The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) is an independent Baptist church known for its extreme stance against homosexuality and its protest activities, which include picketing funerals and desecrating the American flag. It is headed by Fred Phelps and consists mostly of members of his large family. Quote: Phelps earned a law degree from Washburn University in 1962, and founded the Phelps Chartered law firm in 1964. The first notable cases were related to civil rights. "I systematically brought down the Jim Crow laws of this town," he says. Phelps' daughter was quoted as saying, "We took on the Jim Crow establishment, and Kansas did not take that sitting down. They used to shoot our car windows out, screaming we were ****** lovers," and that the Phelps law firm made up one-third of the state's federal docket of civil rights cases.



Phelps took cases on behalf of African American clients alleging racial discrimination by school systems, and a predominantly black American Legion post which had been raided by police, alleging racially based police abuse. Phelps' law firm obtained settlements for some clients. Phelps' law firm, staffed by himself and family members also represented non-white Kansans in discrimination actions against Kansas City Power and Light, Southwestern Bell, and the Topeka City Attorney, and represented two female professors alleging discrimination in Kansas universities.



In the 1980s, Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP, for his work on behalf of black clients. but a lot more like a leftist liberal, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone can use Google Earth or Bing Maps or similar and have a look at their church building in Topeka, or those in the area can check it out themselves. Any regular services going on there? What about how this "preacher" of a tiny "church" and a group of relatives are able to travel all over the US and even the UK, pay for hotels for their protesters seemingly year round? Anyone ever wonder how they are able to afford this?



Then there are their incredibly ridiculous picket signs that are so obviously designed not to win converts, but just the opposite. The signs and their chants are meant to make people hate them and they certainly have had that desired effect. As if that wasn't enough to raise suspicions aplenty in those who don't just take things at face value, they infamously have shown up at the funerals of US servicemen chanting and waving signs that say things like "Thank God for dead soldiers." I proffer that there is no freakin' way anyone lucid enough to even obtain a driver's license would think for one second that such actions would result in either people wanting to be part of their "church" or embracing Christianity. Again, just the opposite is the result and they damn well have to know that.



How is it you hear so much about this group, but pretty much never have heard anyone suggest they are a fraud meant to turn people away from Christianity? The most obvious reason for the lack of skepticism or even curiosity about this bunch being genuine is that those already against all forms of Christianity of course are loving every appearance and mention of this group in the media. If a definitive vote could be taken, is there any question that the majority of those professing to be atheist and/or anti-Christian would be found to be glad this group is doing what it's doing (not that they agree with them, but because of the bad light they cast on Christianity), while the vast majority of those calling themselves Christians would be found to be against them?











Here are some Google Earth images of their "church" in Topeka. Hey, anybody in there? We wanna join your church. Hello? Wonder where the parishoners park? Don't see any parking lot. Now that's weird.



It all comes down to efficacy, or having a desired effect. All I have to go on thus far are these red flags as I see them, and how it's been my experience that virtually no one seems to stop and scrutinize the true motivation behind "Westboro Baptist" and what they really hope to accomplish, or what ultimately is the effect these people desire to have.



Tell me I'm not the only one out here who doesn't just unthinkingly accept this group to be what they claim to be. I do realize there are some really off the wall types purporting to be representing Christianity in one way or another who are pretty ridiculous in their actions. I'd just chalk it up to that and move on if not for the leftist past of their pastor, their ability to travel so extensively and how their tactics alienate pretty much everyone instead of even resembling a sincere attempt at spreading the Gospel of Christ. Something awfully fishy is going on here in my estimation and instead of just attributing it to religious zealotry for whatever reasons, I wish more would consider the possibility this group is a fraud. Sounds preposterous I know, that anyone would devote so much time to such an a elaborate ruse, but so does the idea that anyone might think they could bring people to Christ through such designed to infuriate tactics as this. Don't care whether you're Christian or not, common sense should have more people suspecting a scam here.



As my grandmother used to say: "Use your head for something besides a hat rack."





. Indeed. In fact, I've been meaning to post about this so called church and now's a good time I reckon.Regardless what anyone's spiritual beliefs are, just consider the notion that this "church" is nothing but a ruse meant to disparage Christianity that is funded by some anti-Christian person or persons to that end. Sound crazy? Why yes it does. I have nothing but suspicions at this point, but see if you don't find these things at least awfully peculiar -Two Wikipedia entries about this so called church and its so called pastor -Okay, there are those things that don't sound like the actions of your typical Midwestern Baptist preacher in the 1960s,, but that doesn't prove anything. Anyone can use Google Earth or Bing Maps or similar and have a look at their church building in Topeka, or those in the area can check it out themselves. Any regular services going on there? What about how this "preacher" of a tiny "church" and a group of relatives are able to travel all over the US and even the UK, pay for hotels for their protesters seemingly year round?that are so obviously designed not to win converts, but just the opposite. The signs and their chants are meant to make people hate them and they certainly have had that desired effect. As if that wasn't enough to raise suspicions aplenty in those who don't just take things at face value, they infamously have shown up at the funerals of US servicemen chanting and waving signs that say things like "Thank God for dead soldiers." I proffer that there is no freakin' way anyone lucid enough to even obtain a driver's license would think for one second that such actions would result in either people wanting to be part of their "church" or embracing Christianity.The most obvious reason for the lack of skepticism or even curiosity about this bunch being genuine is that those already against all forms of Christianity of course are loving every appearance and mention of this group in the media. If a definitive vote could be taken, is there any question that the majority of those professing to be atheist and/or anti-Christian would be found to be glad this group is doing what it's doing (not that they agree with them, but because of the bad light they cast on Christianity), while the vast majority of those calling themselves Christians would be found to be against them?Here are some Google Earth images of their "church" in Topeka. Hey, anybody in there? We wanna join your church. Hello? Wonder where the parishoners park? Don't see any parking lot. Now that's weird.It all comes down to efficacy, or having a desired effect. All I have to go on thus far are these red flags as I see them, and how it's been my experience that virtually no one seems to stop and scrutinize the true motivation behind "Westboro Baptist" and what they really hope to accomplish, or what ultimately is the effect these people desire to have.Tell me I'm not the only one out here who doesn't just unthinkingly accept this group to be what they claim to be. I do realize there are some really off the wall types purporting to be representing Christianity in one way or another who are pretty ridiculous in their actions. I'd just chalk it up to that and move on if not for the leftist past of their pastor, their ability to travel so extensively and how their tactics alienate pretty much everyone instead of even resembling a sincere attempt at spreading the Gospel of Christ. Something awfully fishy is going on here in my estimation and instead of just attributing it to religious zealotry for whatever reasons, I wish more would consider the possibility this group is a fraud.that anyone would devote so much time to such an a elaborate ruse,Don't care whether you're Christian or not, common sense should have more people suspecting a scam here.As my grandmother used to say:

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