Bad hygiene.

Spends all his time on his computer.

Bitter and miserable.

Doesn't shower.

Room stinks, doesn't clean living space.

Harasses women in real life.

My boy, my oldest child, was so good when he was little, but something broke inside of him when he was a teenager.



My wife and I always accepted, loved, and encouraged him. We pushed him to work hard and treat people with respect. I don’t know where exactly we failed him but as a father I feel responsible for the thing he’s turned into. Click to expand...

It started when he was 14. He had began to become withdrawn and emotional. We chalked it up to teenaged mood swings. For some reason he was just so angsty and bitter all the time. Click to expand...

We were worried about his lack of social life and his over-reliance on his computer. He kind of hid himself in the online world so my wife and I began to limit his computer time, but he simply became more aggressive and confrontational. Click to expand...

His hygiene was bad, and he was always confrontational when we told him to shower or do laundry. His room stank horribly and we eventually had a huge fight over it where he physically shoved my wife and called her a bitch, and eventually we got him to at least clean and air out his room regularly on the grounds that it was our house and if he couldn’t maintain his space he wouldn’t be entitled to it - essentially we got to the point where we told him he wouldn’t be allowed his worldly possessions or privacy unless he took care of the space we all shared. the room still smelled and he was still rude about cleaning it but we could tell him to get it clean and he would do it after that. Click to expand...

We ended up getting a call from his school saying that a female student felt harassed by him. We were shown messages where he continually badgered her to have sex with him, threatened to “punish” her for stringing him along, sending her unsolicited nudes, telling her some violent fantasies of his, and eventually just descending into some horrid rage-filled rant about how she is just another “whore” and other things.



We were shocked. We explained to him why this behaviour was unacceptable, and I explained to him that it was ok to be sexually active but his actions were toxic and abusive. Click to expand...

I tried mentoring him man-to-man, taking him on camping trips and whatnot and talking to him about women and girls and trying to give him advice. I suggested he try showering, changing up his hair and facial hair styles, trying out different fashion styles, maybe going to the gym.



I told him some hard truths - that he doesn’t want a gross woman so he shouldn’t be a gross man. By gross I mean hygiene and looks. I explained to him that good looks are more hygiene and self care than genetics but he refused to accept what I said to him. Click to expand...

After that I caught him sniffing his sister’s panties in the laundry room - she was 12 at the time and he was 17. He assured me it had nothing to do with his sister, he said he just had a panty sniffing fetish and he pretended they belonged to girls from porno videos, but still I gave him hell for it, and he was grounded and lost his computer for 6 months. I went through his computer and I was disgusted by the kinds of hateful, racist, incel forums he frequented, the horrid things he said about women, and his save file was full of cartoon porn with girls of questionable ages. I wiped the hard drive completely and began strictly monitoring his online activity. I used parental filters to block incel sites and and porn sites that hosted cartoon porn. Click to expand...

The next big issue was something he did to my daughter’s friend. My daughter is 5 years his junior, and one day after a sleepover, my daughter came to me and said her friend wanted to tell me something but was afraid of what I would say.



My son cornered this 13 year old girl and physically blocked her path and touched her hair and face while making very inappropriate comments about her body and asking her if she liked to sleep naked and what kind of underwear she wore.



I tore into my son for that, my wife and I both shouted at him, and told him his behaviour was horrible and I told him then that if his actions got him arrested I would not defend him. He accused us of not loving him, but I told him the reason I was so passionately angry in that situation is because I do love him, and I want to help him become a good man so he can stop being so predatory and bitter and miserable. I told him some hard truths. That he did this all to himself and that he is the only one he can blame for how bitter he is. Click to expand...

bitter and miserable Click to expand...

I invited my daughters friend over after and I personally apologized to her for her experiences, I cried in shame for my son’s behaviour and begged her forgiveness for allowing her to feel unsafe in my home and promised her that if she ever felt uncomfortable she could come to my wife and I and we would always believe and help her. Luckily, my daughter didn’t lose this friend, but for safety I installed a lock on my daughter’s door. Click to expand...

We got my son therapy but he refused to engage with the therapist, calling him a “sand nigger” and “pajeet” and “terrorist”. His next therapist was a “chad”, so he didn’t relate to that either.



We fought about him not trying, not getting a job, and he said he couldn’t get one because of the immigrants, to which I pointed out that he was struggling because he got fired from his high school jobs for being lazy. Click to expand...

After those fights, my wife tried to empathize with him and understand what made him so bitter but he flipped out at her, and called her a cock-gargling whore and said that she fucked her way through dozens of men until she found a “beta-fag” who was willing to shelter her for missionary sex. Click to expand...

My wife, who works and contributes to the family income, who is an independent, professional woman. Click to expand...

My daughter has dated 3 people her whole life. A boy, a girl, and now another boy. We were as open about sex with my daughter as we were with my son. We asked if she would like to have a question-free steady supply of condoms left in her bathroom drawer, and if she wanted to get on birth control. She said no to both questions with her first boyfriend. She never really brought him home but we met him at one of her recitals. When she had a girlfriend she went over to her house all the time, and didn’t want to bring her to the same house her brother lived in, a sentiment I understood.



But her most recent boyfriend has a lot going on behind the scenes in his family. He’s a nice boy but his mom is a single mom of 4 and they struggle. Click to expand...

Last week, my wife and I went out for an evening to ourselves. We went to dinner, then we went to an upscale bar to play some pool, then we went home.



When I walked in the door, the kids were screaming at each other. I came in to see my son and my daughter’s boyfriend fighting. The boyfriend was just pushing my son back and trying to redirect him, my son was throwing punches and charging him. My daughter was crying and sitting against the wall clutching her face. I got between them and pushed them apart, and demanded to know what was happening.



My son went on a tirade about how he found birth control pills and heard “whore” sounds from her room, so he kicked open her door and discovered them having sex, he said he couldn’t believe his own sister would “be a nigger’s whore” and called the poor boy a monkey and other things. Click to expand...

My wife got my daughter and her boyfriend out of there and I yelled at my son for how he was acting. Eventually I got nowhere with him so I made him wait in his room. I went to talk to my daughter. I apologized to her boyfriend, crying as I did, telling him that I hope he could forgive me for letting this happen. He said he was sorry for getting violent but that he only did it because my son hit her. My daughter cried and said he was a psycho and threatened to rape her, and that he admitted to ejaculating on her toothbrush and hair brush.



I charged into his room, and I said firmly that he should pack his bags and leave. I told him I would pay to have his things sent to him, wherever he went, but that he was leaving tomorrow.



My wife stayed at my sisters, and my daughter and her boyfriend spent the next few nights at his place.



The next day I practically threw my son out of the house kicking and screaming. Click to expand...

My wife and I then went through his room. My daughter’s boyfriend came over and helped me move his furniture to the garage. We threw out his mattress and some other more gross and smelly things, and we took out the carpet to be replaced.



Hidden in the closet was a treasure trove of my daughter’s underwear, so saturated with old, moldy semen that they were as hard as bricks. The unnerving part was that there were a few pairs my daughter was adamant didn’t belong to her. And they were too small for my wife. It was possible he stole them from my nieces.



There was a sketchbook containing graphic drawings of my son violently raping different women and keeping little girls chained up in some kind of sex dungeon. I went through his old phone that was still working, and all his photos were screenshots of my nieces and their friends in their bikinis, lots of cartoon porn, lots of red pill and incel and Trump memes. He still had messenger, so I checked his messages, most of them were just him trying to harass women and underaged girls. Click to expand...

checked his Email and... much to my disgust, he stole private photos of my wife from her phone, and he was selling them. Click to expand...

Had a "treasure trove" of sisters underwear with old semen in them.

Liked hentai and anime, had hard drive filled with loli porn.

Had a sketchbook filled with rape fantasies.

Tries to threaten and harass a girl into having sex with him.

Kept "red pill, incel, and Trump" memes on phone.

Got into fight with sister's black BF, and called him racist names.

Cornered a 13 year old girl and asked her sexual questions.

If you haven't read the story, it will be linked at the bottom of this post. I'm going to be breaking down and giving my thoughts on this story, but I'll give my summary of thoughts right now. This story reads like a script for a Hollywood incel movie and here's why: The incel in the story pretty much checks every stereotype about what the media and reddit thinks of incels:This story is completely fabricated.--The beginning of this story even sound sensationalized. He was always a "good boy" but something "broke inside of him when he was a teenager"? This framing already makes this story sound fabricated, probably written by someone that obsessed with incels.Honestly sounds like a typical teenage boy in modern times. Nothing out of the ordinary here, contrary to what this person says.Normal behavior. Natural response to be angry when things that you like doing are limited, so being mad about it is normal.Bad hygiene, doesn't take showers: This part of the story sounds like it comes from a comment in a IncelTears post. What doesn't make sense to me is the "huge fight" part of this story. No person that is introverted and generally wants to be left alone would shove their mother and call her a "bitch". Incels would usually try to avoid confrontation like this, so a situation like this would never happen in the first place.What many people don't understand is that many of us do live with our parents and we are clean for the most part. We keep our rooms clean, shower everyday and groom regularly. Many of us have jobs or go to school, so we can't leave the house looking or smelling bad. You can tell at this part of the story that this isn't written by a concerned father, but by a female overly obsessed with incels.The first section of this part of the story makes it clear that my previous assumption is correct. No socially awkward guy would badger a female student for sex and "threaten to punish her for stringing him along." Nor would he send her unsolicited nudes or tell her violent fantasies. They think this is the way we act in real life, but we can call out this bullshit because it simply wouldn't happen like this in real life.We tend to not be confrontational when in public so you can tell that this part of the story is complete fiction. They try to mix in NiceGuystuff in with incel posts on this forum and it comes out sounding very unbelievable and fake. No real person talks or acts like this, period."I suggested he try showering, changing up his hair and facial hair styles, trying out different fashion styles, maybe going to the gym."This is all stereotypical advice usually given to incels. This story was created to reinforce this narrative about how all incels are disgusting, misogynistic pigs that don't take showers and don't take care of themselves, and I realized that when I got to this point in the story. I don't even have to explain to this person that good looks is mostly genetics and self care and hygiene has little to do with it. There's homeless good looking men that have lots of success with women, many of which that probably don't groom themselves every day so this is a bluepilled line of thinking.Grounded for 6 months for sniffing his 12 year old sister panties? This didn't happen at all. This is the most unbelievable part of this story because it paints this person as this extreme stereotypical incel and pedophile. I would think that the parents would've done more in this situation, which is the main reason why I think this is fabricated. This story attempts to cast all incels in the worst possible light with an extreme case that didn't actually happen at all, and it's pretty disgusting and dishonest. It attempts to take the worst from this forum and attempts to put it all into one person.Also, how would you know what to look for on his computer? Incels wasn't really a big thing until earlier this year, which makes this part even more unbelievable. Then the author throws in something about a "save file" being full of loli porn. Author doesn't really understand how computer works so it's unlikely that they would have the knowledge to go through a computer and find these things in the first place. Made up and fake.Didn't happen so there's no point in me repeating myself, but I will address the second part of this. Does this part remind you of something?Lol. This didn't happen, moving on.What would installing a lock on a door would have done in this situation? That doesn't make sense.I am going to be skipping a few parts of the story for the sake of keeping this thread from going over 50,000 characters."he couldn’t get one because of the immigrants"That part cracked me up. Not only is this person trying to paint this person as the "worst human being imaginable" but they trying to throw in some alt-right bullshit as well.Therapist part didn't happen at all, and they call us racists when they had to use these words to try to make their fictional character look even worse.Lol. Great fiction writing here. A person in real life wouldn't say this stuff. Not believable in the slightest. I don't know how many ways I can say that. Author makes the character needlessly aggressive and like a caricature of every bad person that has ever lived.I guess we know who wears the pants in this relationship:An aggressive stereotypical incel that has a loli collection, sniffs panties and corners 13 year old girls, asks them sexual questions living in the same household with a bisexual sister that currently has an African american boyfriend that was one of 4 children from a single mother. This sounds like a perfect storm that would never happen. It just sounds too perfect. Nope.I don't know how to process this...The last 2 sentences made me laugh so hard. He hears "whore" sounds, so he kicked open the door while they're having sex. Then he made racial comments about her boyfriend. I have to say, the person that wrote this is pretty creative, but this sounds like a collection of stories off this forum. Again, an incel would NEVER be this confrontational in real life, we're meek. Instead, we would probably complain about the sex noises on this forum. This makes for a very funny and entertaining story though.He was a "psycho" and threaten to rape his own sister, what? This is getting into really stupid territory. The ejaculating on her toothbrush and hairbrush part is even more unbelievable. Never would happen at all under any circumstances. Dad sent him packing though, I guess this was the tipping point and not the 10 million other things that he did lol.Again with the stereotypes of what normies think about incels."Hidden treasure trove of sister's underwear saturated with old moldy semen as hard as bricks" OKAY LOL, THIS HAPPENED RIGHT?Red pill, incel, and Trump memes on phone. All photos were pictures of nieces and their friends in their bikinis, hentai, and memes. Then a sketchbook of said person violently raping many different women. The fact that so many redditors would believe this shit makes me question humanity in general. This is obviously fake but they upvote it anyways because they hate Trump, the alt-right, and incels so any story sounds plausible to them if it further demonizes the people that they hate.I probably missed a few things, but my point stands:This story is fake and anyone that actually believe that it is true needs to get mentally evaluated.