"You could tell that Mr. Modell and Ted, they wanted Lawrence Phillips," Savage said. "We had this discussion and my contribution to it was, 'Well, if we take Phillips, we'll never be able to put our heads on the pillow at night in certainty with what we'll wake up to the next day. If we take Jonathan Ogden, I think he's going to be a pillar for us for the next 10-to-12 years and probably a Pro Bowl player.'"