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MemberActivity: 78Merit: 10 Re: BTC-e hacked ?? July 28, 2017, 10:07:20 PM #642





I am sorry for people's losses.



For those repeating the USA's charge of "money laundering", they should understand -



"money laundering" is now a meaningless term.



When prosecuting, LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) always "throw the book" at the accused - i.e., they charge as many things as possible, from murder to spitting on the sidewalk, to try to make the accused's crimes seem more serious, and to try to scare the accused so they can later make a deal and say "We're dropping xxx and yyy if you plead guilty to ZZZ".



Money laundering is so vague yet once one is charged with that it is up to the defendant to disprove it in most cases - guilty until proved innocent.

It also makes it easy for the USA Government to ultimately "seize" (i.e., steal) the money.





The Intercept‏Verified account @theintercept Jul 22





"In 2014, law enforcement officers took more property from U.S. citizens than all home and office burglaries combined."



https://theintercept.com/2017/07/20/jeff-sessions-wants-to-make-legalized-theft-great-again/





I am sorry for people's losses.For those repeating the USA's charge of "money laundering", they should understand -"money laundering" is now a meaningless term.When prosecuting, LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) always "throw the book" at the accused - i.e., they charge as many things as possible, from murder to spitting on the sidewalk, to try to make the accused's crimes seem more serious, and to try to scare the accused so they can later make a deal and say "We're dropping xxx and yyy if you plead guilty to ZZZ".Money laundering is so vague yet once one is charged with that it is up to the defendant to disprove it in most cases - guilty until proved innocent.It also makes it easy for the USA Government to ultimately "seize" (i.e., steal) the money.The Intercept‏Verified account @theintercept Jul 22"In 2014, law enforcement officers took more property from U.S. citizens than all home and office burglaries combined."

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Sr. MemberActivity: 364Merit: 252 Re: BTC-e hacked ?? July 28, 2017, 10:07:48 PM #644 Quote from: bj9k on July 28, 2017, 10:00:13 PM

Actually you and 99% rest of people make them look right because you presume that idea of laws is good. You see what happens when there are laws. And remember what has risen after US wild west



Actually you and 99% rest of people make them look right because you presume that idea of laws is good. You see what happens when there are laws. And remember what has risen after US wild west

Making them look right != being right , can we stop nitpicking on stupid things ? Hope there is some method to repay the people who have simply been using it as an exchange !! That is one thing that needs to evolve with the rise of crypto, people shouldn't simply be assumed criminals because they use a mixer/exchange,etc . There are always legitimate uses of such services. The burden of proof of a crime lies on investigating agencies. Branding everyone a criminal and seizing their possessions is simply crazy. Making them look right != being right , can we stop nitpicking on stupid things ? Hope there is some method to repay the people who have simply been using it as an exchange !! That is one thing that needs to evolve with the rise of crypto, people shouldn't simply be assumed criminals because they use a mixer/exchange,etc . There are always legitimate uses of such services. The burden of proof of a crime lies on investigating agencies. Branding everyone a criminal and seizing their possessions is simply crazy.

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NewbieActivity: 1Merit: 0 Re: BTC-e hacked ?? July 28, 2017, 10:13:16 PM #649 I'm drunk at the moment but I'd like to emphasize that the fine enforced by DOJ is a fucking joke. If you have any understanding how international civil law works you can basically wipe your ass with the fine.



Worst case scenario is that it would stretch into a fucking long (years) proceedings. US has no jurisdiction to enforce that fine unless another extraterrestrial state beforehand has agreed upon to enforce such fines.



It will be a long and heavy process for US Officials to enforce this fine.



As a lawyer I suggest neglecting this and denying US ip adress access to btce, and all thereafter is lawful. Should any US citizen use VPN or other measures to reach btce, it's beyond the control of btce.



Should any btce admin or owner wish to talk about all this I am more than willing to do so.

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LegendaryActivity: 1288Merit: 1087 Re: BTC-e hacked ?? July 28, 2017, 10:13:23 PM #650 Quote from: bananax on July 28, 2017, 10:11:17 PM It's just a domain name, calm down people :X



it's a little more than that.



i guess it depends on whether they've managed to access the servers themselves. maybe they haven't but this is certainly a sign that they're gonna try.



i wonder what they'll do with everyone's holdings. it's not as if it was a dark market. it was an openly accessible site. it's a little more than that.i guess it depends on whether they've managed to access the servers themselves. maybe they haven't but this is certainly a sign that they're gonna try.i wonder what they'll do with everyone's holdings. it's not as if it was a dark market. it was an openly accessible site.

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MemberActivity: 71Merit: 10 Re: BTC-e hacked ?? July 28, 2017, 10:21:22 PM #655



Those of you NOT using VPN! Read on!



You should REALLY sign up for VPN service before you touch that dial again on btc-e again...



TorVPN accept Bitcoin and Litecoin. You get a 10% discount if you pay with Litecoin / LTC



https://torguard.net/anonymoustorrentvpn.php



ProXPN proxpn.com takes Paypal and easy to use, works on Mac also:



https://secure.proxpn.com/member/signup.php



Try not to use TOR as all entry points are monitored and DO NOT use TAILS that's also like painting a target on your forehead.



I'm sure there are a number of VPN services that offer different options [ feel free to list], but if you dont USE VPN you SHOULD REALLY get one NOW!



Cheers!







Hey guys... logged in after a long breakYou shouldsign up for VPN service before you touch that dial again on btc-e again...TorVPN accept Bitcoin and Litecoin. You get a 10% discount if you pay with Litecoin / LTCProXPN proxpn.com takes Paypal and easy to use, works on Mac also:Try not to use TOR as all entry points are monitored and DO NOT use TAILS that's also like painting a target on your forehead.I'm sure there are a number of VPN services that offer different options [ feel free to list], but if you dont USE VPN you SHOULD REALLY get one NOW!Cheers!