There’s a reason Abiding Truth Ministries chief Scott Lively, along with faith-based hate leaders Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge, finds himself tied to Uganda’s Kill The Gays bill: Because he’s one of the most vocal Americans who traveled there, met with religious, community, and political leaders, and tried exporting his homophobia across the Atlantic Ocean. And now arrives video of him doing just that.

Somewhere between “outright creating and promoting” the Anti-Homosexuality Bill and “merely recommending sanctions against Uganda’s gays” lies the truth about Lively’s involvement. He just got done defending himself against charges he helped orchestrate the bill, at the same time reminding everyone that he’s a drug addict and alcoholic who thinks therapy for homos is the right course of action.

Now, in video footage obtained by Box Turtle Bulletin of Lively’s appearance at a conference in Kampala in March, his rhetoric is plain as day. Though not all that surprising, given what we know about Lively.

And while the footage doesn’t reveal a smoking gun (i.e. Lively recommending lawmakers execute gays), it paints Lively’s involvement in Uganda’s perpetration of Uganda’s homophobia. Of course, Lively eschews the reputation as a “hatemonger, the same as a racist” because he’s “a Christian, I’m not against people on any basis … I don’t want violence against them.”

Please don’t confuse Lively’s speech as a stand-up routine, as we almost did.