CHUCK TODD: Why can’t you definitively say what’s going to happen to these folks? Because he used to definitively say it. He said there would be — everybody has to leave. Even if — quickly. Everybody has to leave. And now there’s some muddiness to this. I don’t know how — it is just unclear to me. Can you clear this up?

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: Well, that may be the way you see it. Looking at this, some 10,000 people in Arizona last week, it wasn’t the way they see it. As I travel across this country campaigning with Donald Trump and for Donald Trump, I think people hear him loud and clear. And he’s been completely consistent on this point. He put —

CHUCK TODD: No he — on this no he’s not … he has not been consistent on this issue of what to do with the 11 to 15 million.

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: Well, but there are people in different circumstances in that category. There are people who are criminal aliens in this country. And I think everyone in this country understands that people who are here–

CHUCK TODD: And I assume you mean violent crimes.

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: Well, people who are here, who their first act in this country was a violation of the law, but have gone on to criminal activity in America, we want them out. We want them out quickly. Donald Trump has made it very clear that a priority of our administration will be removing criminal aliens.…

CHUCK TODD: There was a whole bunch of Latino leaders that there’s quite a few of them have backed away from supporting your ticket because they didn’t like what they heard on Wednesday because they were told one thing and they felt misled. One of them even said they felt misled. And one of the major issues has to do with what about this issue of deportations.…

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: The media’s focus [is] on the 11 million or whatever that number is. He was focused on the more than 300 million people who are citizens of this country and are here legally in this country, and driving policies in immigration that will work for them, work for the future of our nation.…

CHUCK TODD: Is it fair to say that you’re not going to answer this question about the 11 to 15 million? I say just you, but the campaign. You’re going to leave this as an open question throughout the rest of this campaign?

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: I think Donald Trump’s been completely consistent. And I think he did answer the question.

CHUCK TODD: And is it an open question, the other — I mean but he hasn’t when it comes to — because on one hand, he said deportation force, everybody has to leave. I mean he said it, “Everybody has to leave, we’ve got to have borders.” Now he’s saying he’s open to doing something different with whoever remains, which would be about half.

GOVERNOR MIKE PENCE: Well, I think we really don’t know what that number is or who that is until we do all of the things in the ten point plan that Donald Trump–

CHCUK TODD: How do you incentivize them to come out of the shadows if you don’t tell them what the penalty will be?