Nick Schifrin:

Would Gina Haspel be a good director and should the Senate confirm her?

We get two views.

John Rizzo had a 34-year career at the CIA. From 2001 to 2002, and from 2004 to 2009, he served as the CIA's chief legal officer. He and with 52 former senior intelligence and national security officials wrote the Senate in support of Haspel's nomination. And Stephen Xenakis is a retired Army brigadier general. He was one of 109 retired general officers who wrote a different letter, urging the Senate to reject Gina Haspel if senators confirmed she played a role in detainee abuse. He is also a psychiatrist who has counseled some of the men subjected to the CIA's torture techniques.

And thank you both for being here.

Stephen Xenakis, let me start with you.

We heard Gina Haspel defend herself today. She said, look, this was a product of the time. The Department of Justice approved it. The White House approved these so-called enhanced interrogation techniques.

What is wrong with that defense?