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skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member They are not moving to kill unlimited data... ...as much as they are moving to kill WiMAX to make room for TD-LTE.

whfsdude

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Washington, DC whfsdude Premium Member Re: They are not moving to kill unlimited data... said by skeechan: ...as much as they are moving to kill WiMAX to make room for TD-LTE. Yet they aren't offering any form of unlimited on their LTE network. As soon as they kill my Clear plan, I'm getting a hotspot with T-Mobile because at least I know I'll be throttled when I exceed my cap rather than hit with overages. TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: They are not moving to kill unlimited data... True. This is purely about killing unlimited and Sprint knows it. Sprint is just like the other 3 above it and that is it.

MovieLover76

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Cherry Hill, NJ ·Verizon FiOS

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MovieLover76 Member Re: They are not moving to kill unlimited data... It's about killing unlimited on mvno's, not killing unlimited on it's own network, T-mobile has unlimited and unthrottled on their own network and Metropcs, but not on any mvnos.



Sprint needs to push back against their oversold mvnos, this is the very least they need to do to preserve unlimited for actual direct Sprint customer's and they should have done it long ago.



Their network is completely overburdened and their upgrades are going slow as molasses. They need to do something to keep their postpaid customers. Though I can't imagine how sadistic you have to be to pay Sprint postpaid prices for their service at this point. TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: They are not moving to kill unlimited data... And that is Sprint's problem and fault for the MVNOs. Not the MVNOs. Sprint knew what they were doing and it's finally caught up with them and its been discussed on here before countless times.



Sprint was out to make money anyway they can and still are. Still busy signing up MVNOs no matter what cost to their network. They're already signing deals for MVNO services on LTE. As I've said it before, Sprint would be better off as a MVNE and not as a direct carrier. Clearly they are better at providing services to MVNOs than their own customers.



And actually I don't do business direct with Sprint and never will. I refuse to support a company that treats their customers like this- either direct or indirect. This is a pure money grab to kill off both unlimited and the MVNOs. Sprint/Softbank needs to be stopped before it gets an further. Or maybe TracFone needs to step up and issue a lawsuit since they're one if not the largest prepaid/MVNO in the US at this point and probably the largest in terms of size. kdouglas10

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Jacksonville, FL kdouglas10 to MovieLover76

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Sprint needs to push back against their oversold mvnos...Their network is completely overburdened...



I had "unlimited" 3G from Sprint starting in August 2007 until July 14th 2013, when I moved to a 4GB AT&T Mobile Share with Unlimited Talk & Text. I have seen (on speedtest.net w/ the Ookla mobile app) DL speeds as high as 36 MB/s. That compared with 0.1 - 0.3 MB/s with Sprint 3G MyFi hotspot. We tried iPhone 5 from Sprint but they were EVEN SLOWER than the MyFi card. This was NOT isolated to me, my location, or my equipment. As many posters have said in many forums, "unlimited data makes no difference if you get no download speed." I wish I had changed to AT&T 2-3 years ago. Before then, they had not built out their network to offer the high speed it currently does. BTW - I used a Verizon MyFi card for a few hours. It was fast compared to Sprint, but nothing compared to the speed I see on my iPhone 5 on 4G or LTE (yeah I know, it is all Faux G) AT&T. My two-dollars worth as a telecom tech who has done days of research on this whole topic of limits, speed and reliability.

Sohot26

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Service sucks in my area and with this, it's making it obvious to make a carrier change

VMUGeneral

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Skeechan.. As long as you do not change plans, Virgin Mobile will allow you to keep your current rate plan. Thanks!

eeeaddict

join:2010-02-14 eeeaddict Member doesn't matter doesn't matter, most of sprints network is too slow to use even a gig a month

simlesa

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Astoria, NY simlesa Premium Member Re: doesn't matter Clear Wimax is quite speedy in the Northeast.

n2jtx

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Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member Re: doesn't matter Where available in the Northeast. On Long Island, outside of Queens and Brooklyn, we never had it. Even now, there is some reported spotty LTE service near Bay Shore but that is it. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: doesn't matter They have to kill it, even though the clear spectrum is large, they don't want to maintain wimax towers forever, so this is a way to spurn people off wimax onto their sucky 3G networks or LTE if you have it.



This is just another nail in the coffin in wimax.



We never got wimax because being so close to the border it interfered w/ Canada digital transition, so Buffalo was stuck with 1980 dialup EvDO speeds (if you could get it). Anyone who has a Sprint phone in Upstate is NOT a happy camper...



Happydude32

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join:2005-07-16 Happydude32 Premium Member Re: doesn't matter quote: We never got wimax because being so close to the border it interfered w/ Canada digital transition, so Buffalo was stuck with 1980 dialup EvDO speeds (if you could get it). I've told you 2 or 3 times already that is simply not true. There's active wimax on the East Side, along the 33 Exwy and by ECMC and has been for a few years. Who knows if it still there now with that area near the sites that are being lit up with LTE, but wimax is in the Buffalo market, just not officially, including many spots in the Southern Tier like Olean, Wellsville, Salamaca and Bradford, PA. Supposedly some in Tonawanda and NT as well. Not sure why you keep insisting there is no wimax in Buffalo, when there is, just not a lot of it.



In a few months you can stop your Sprint bashing, LTE is is being deployed here. East Aurora had it first, airport got it next, now it's progressing into Williamsville, Clarence and Akron. I've told you 2 or 3 times already that is simply not true. There's active wimax on the East Side, along the 33 Exwy and by ECMC and has been for a few years. Who knows if it still there now with that area near the sites that are being lit up with LTE, but wimax is in the Buffalo market, just not officially, including many spots in the Southern Tier like Olean, Wellsville, Salamaca and Bradford, PA. Supposedly some in Tonawanda and NT as well. Not sure why you keep insisting there is no wimax in Buffalo, when there is, just not a lot of it.In a few months you can stop your Sprint bashing, LTE is is being deployed here. East Aurora had it first, airport got it next, now it's progressing into Williamsville, Clarence and Akron. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: doesn't matter The ONLY reason they lit that site up was to avoid losing their Clear license in the market area, not out of the goodness of their hearts. And since is is not official, I would need a divining rod to figure out the two minutes on a drive where it actually worked.



So when I say "no wimax", I mean it never officially launched, and that the pimple that is covers is useless unless you work in that pimple.



Meanwhile in the Northern burbs if you can get 64 kbps, that is a good day.



Even lowly Cricket has mediocre coverage.



Ranking In Buffalo:



1. Verizon by a mile

2. AT&T - Much better as of late. Solid prepay play

3. Tmobile - Refarming and LTE launched. Coverage in the sticks not near the top two, but 2G OK (and actually works)



Note all of those have LTE already and some for YEARS (Verizon).



The rest:



1. Cricket - They will be going away



The worst:



2. Sprint - Only because the option IF you can get LTE (which I cant) is some 1980 dialup. In the case of NOW, still dialup.



In any case I dumped Sprint like a sunday morning paper read. Was a Sprint customer for years, will not go back in this decade.

delusion ftl

@comcast.net delusion ftl Anon Re: doesn't matter Headed up to buffalo/rochester this week. Good to know I should bring my VZW hotspot and leave the sprint one home. I'll probably bring my t-mobile one as well. delusion ftl delusion ftl Anon Re: doesn't matter I don't know if you will see this, but I thought I'd at least let the thread know. I traveled from Syracuse, through rochester, buffalo/niagra, and down to cleveland.



Verizon was good at having LTE, but it was far from everywhere, and there were several areas where I had no verizon signal (but I did have full bars of ATT and Tmo).



You were right about t-mobile's edge. I've never seen edge so responsive and reliable before, it was as good or better than sprint's loaded/nobackhaul 3G network in many places.



In particular, I switch from my VZW hotspot to my t-mobile hotspot down near hamburg and all of the west side of buffalo because it was performing better.



So again. Overall VZW had the most LTE but ATT's coverage never dropped (that I saw) and was always "4G". T-mobile's LTE seems to work great in the cities and their edge was surprisingly good in the sticks. Happydude32

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Yes, I am fully aware of why wimax was deployed in Buffalo. And the fact that it was deployed in some fashion would tell me the lack of it has nothing to do with the Canadian digital TV transition.



When I first got Sprint for real (was a Nextel subscriber since 2002, and dual subscribed with AT&T because of how horrid AT&T is) I regularly got speeds of about 2Mb Down on my Evo on EVDO, which was considerably faster then the AT&T 3G and Edge I dealt with on the iPhone. Infact, before I left Sprint I was able to break 2Mb in Silver Creek and other small pockets around WNY, in the suburbs and in the city is where it really sucked.



Verizon, as a company sucks, and I want absolutely nothing to do with them or their wireless half sister. Best day of my life was when Time Warner made my area digital phone serviceable so I could drop their landline service. Worst day was last year when I started giving them money again for wireless services. I couldn't take their slow data speeds, given Network Vision with usable 3G and LTE as soon as the One Max comes out, I will gladly port my number back home to Sprint, and pay the ETF to Verizon with a smile on my face.



And Verizon has had LTE in Buffalo barley two years now. It was officially launched in November of 2011, with some sites being turned on in September. Verizon's LTE speeds aren't nothing to write home about in the Buffalo area. I usually don't break 10Mb down, very rarely ever hit or break 15Mb down. The upload speed is nice though. When I was in Rochester for work, I averaged much faster downstream speeds on Sprint's Wimax, with lower latency, then I do with the mighty Verizon's LTE service in Buffalo. Only downside of Sprint was the upstream was capped at about 1.5Mb. TBBroadband

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CLEAR did the same in much of Ohio- they were required to turn on towers or risk losing their 2.6 license in many markets. The network always showed service was there on clear.com but never was allowed to service customers. TBBroadband TBBroadband to elefante72

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Sprint customers in general are NOT happy campers. elray

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said by elefante72: We never got wimax because being so close to the border it interfered w/ Canada digital transition, so Buffalo was stuck with 1980 dialup EvDO speeds (if you could get it).



They are not comparable. EVDO Rev A speeds are 600-1400kbps. Dialup maxed out at about 50kbps.They are not comparable. kdouglas10

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Jacksonville, FL kdouglas10 Premium Member Re: doesn't matter "Dialup maxed out at about 50kbps"



Ummm NO - not with V90 modems - more like EVDO, Rev A elray

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Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: doesn't matter Please, do tell. How is 50 kbps the same as 600kbps? xenophon

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said by eeeaddict: doesn't matter, most of sprints network is too slow to use even a gig a month



Yes, this is just an indication reported by users, not 100% accurate, but it keeps growing every month and will fill in blanks when 800Mhz is turned on soon...

»sensorly.com/map/4G/US/U ··· 10sprint I use about 10GB/month and get 6-20Mbps, up to 30. It's obvious that Sprint LTE is not completed yet, but it is growing rapidly. And they haven't even turned on 800Mhz LTE yet (coming in a month or so), which will significantly boost coverage.Yes, this is just an indication reported by users, not 100% accurate, but it keeps growing every month and will fill in blanks when 800Mhz is turned on soon... Happydude32

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join:2005-07-16 Happydude32 Premium Member Re: doesn't matter It's been a while since I checked that site, thank you very much for posting it! According to that link, where I work and the surrounding area is a nice shade of dark purple. That only makes me more anxious about going back to Sprint.

Selenia

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Fort Smith, AR Selenia Premium Member Re: doesn't matter Splotches of green for my area with nothing at my house. I said it many times and I will say it again....Sprint sucks!!! AT&T and VZ fully cover my area with some form of 4G(fully LTE on VZ with lots of LTE popping up for AT&T in this previously HSPA+ area) unless you're hiking deep in the mountains.I went to T-Mobile for more reasonable terms, considering how much time I spend under Wifi anyways. Yes, their 3G/4G is splotchy around here, but their 2G coverage is very solid with no dropped calls to speak of. Plus, their 2G speeds have beaten up my friends 3G Sprint phones. Theoretically EvDO is faster, but not in practice with Sprint. Plus consider on that map that outside of those splotches of 3G, Sprint shows no 2G or 4G coverage. I will add that in reality Sprint does cover 1 street with WiMax in the town just south of my town, but that's it for the county. You can bash AT&T on price and ridiculous terms of service, but Sprint has a horrible network around here. Completely abysmal. At least T-Mobile has decent coverage, though not all 3G/4G and clear reliable calls. I may be a bit rural, but Sprint has the distinction of being the only carrier with no signal at my house.

eeeaddict

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MOST was the key word TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: doesn't matter Most the 20% of their coverage. The rest will be SOOL xenophon

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said by eeeaddict: MOST was the key word



I do agree though that Sprint cant compete on coverage until they turn on 800Mhz LTE to fill in the gaps. That is starting soon and triband devices are coming in next couple months.



800 voice started a couple months ago in Great Lakes areas and many are saying voice gaps are no longer an issue. 800 LTE will change dynamics of Sprint, 2500 will give them more capacity. A couple months ago Sprint said 20K of 38K sites have been upgraded. So was more than half then and likely more by now as the map has grown much in last month. They said the last 8K sites will take until next year, probably most difficult sites logistically.I do agree though that Sprint cant compete on coverage until they turn on 800Mhz LTE to fill in the gaps. That is starting soon and triband devices are coming in next couple months.800 voice started a couple months ago in Great Lakes areas and many are saying voice gaps are no longer an issue. 800 LTE will change dynamics of Sprint, 2500 will give them more capacity. criggs

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New York, NY criggs Member Re: doesn't matter Xenophon wrote: "I do agree though that Sprint cant compete on coverage until they turn on 800Mhz LTE to fill in the gaps. That is starting soon and triband devices are coming in next couple months...800 LTE will change dynamics of Sprint"



For a lot of us not really. At this time, as far as I know, there are no triband devices available through any of the EVNOs, not Millenicom, not Wireless 'n' WiFi, not EVDO Depot, not BMI.net, not Virgin Mobile, not any of them. I'd love to be corrected on that but, for now, 800 LTE looks to be limited to direct sales from Sprint to customers with Sprint's very own miniscule caps, so it won't do most of us much good. xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon Member Re: doesn't matter Sure, new devices will be needed to take advantage of tri-band LTE (800/1900/2500) and there will likely be a lag to get to the MVNOs. It's the nature of transition to a new network. LG triband has been announced and releases next month, Samsung has one coming and the Nexus 5 will be triband.



Most phones in the last 2 years can already take advantage of 800 voice, so at least there will be that near term improvement for MVNOs. And the LTE upgrades provides more capacity for 3G and as Sprint users use more triband LTE and less 3G, it should give MVNOs better 3G performance until they get triband phones.



Those thinking about Sprint should wait until 800 is fairly prevalent and should be sure to get a triband phone. Sprint won't be able to compete in coverage with ATT/VZW until 800 is broadly activated. Tmobile will be left out as the only carrier without a low band to help with coverage/penetration. TBBroadband

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Sprint still is Swiss cheese. It will take them another 2+ years to get what they need. bookertdub

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Odd, there were times when the WiFi at work was rather crappy, I was averaging 15 gigs a month. phazah

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Findlay, OH phazah Member virgin mobile is laughable.. high prices for a crappy service...

cork1958

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join:2000-02-26 cork1958 Premium Member Re: virgin mobile is laughable.. From my experience with Virgin Mobile, I just wish something would kill them! Pure garbage! tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member $$ This is Sprint nickel and diming you for service.. you might as well go with the cheapest company and if VM isn't that, then you dump them like yesterday's bowel movement. with Tracfone gaining momentum from android minutes phones you have "OPTIONS" when buying data +text and data. Plus Tmobile /MetroPCS become more attractive when VM does this. Apparently Sprint the parent company wants to get rid of customers... so be it. Either it pushes VM customers onto Boost or onto another carrier. kdouglas10

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Jacksonville, FL kdouglas10 Premium Member Re: $$ Ummmm - yeeeaaaah - check MVNO operators list so you know who you are REALLY buying from: [» en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li ··· erators] BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member So does it just shut off After your data allotment? They should soft cap, a lot less jarring than your phone just not working...

devin12

@charter.com devin12 Anon Virgin Mobile Data Is this for cell phone users on the $35, $45, or $55 plans? your comment..

