He admits that it is largely the middle classes who are attracted by guerrilla gardening. "It involves those who are interested in gardens, which does make it middle-class. But there is something anarchistic about what we are doing because we are not asking for permission – not because we want to bring down the state," he says, "but because the state is befuddled in bureaucracy, and it is simpler just to get on with it than to wait for them to do it."