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DevOps

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join:2005-03-19

Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member well crap. I just figured out that mediacom uses Giganews too. This blows.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX 1 recommendation iansltx Member Re: well crap. Guess you'll have to upgrade to the 50M package then. Or, you know, only download stuff that you'll actually watch/listen to/use. The horror!



ArrayList

DevOps

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join:2005-03-19

Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: well crap. oh, does the limits only include downloading? I was worried that I wouldn't be able to post as much.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: well crap. Ohhhhh...I'm sure it's a combined limit. How much of the material you're posting is non-infringing?



ArrayList

DevOps

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join:2005-03-19

Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: well crap. plenty is infringing I'm sure, but I also use usenet as a means to backup my system. damn cheap way to back stuff up. Just make sure you encrypt it and keep the key safe.

JTR

join:2012-05-19

Westmont, IL JTR to ArrayList

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It's a combined download/upload cap. If you're an existing customer, you have no cap until you make a change to your internet service.

digitlman

join:2009-12-29

Cary, NC digitlman Member great marketing bs " our promise of Always Faster Internet".



yeah....bandwidth and usage are not the same. Putting a cap on usage will not speed up your connection during peak hours.



Nice marketing spin. Pure cash grab.



tshirt

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join:2004-07-11

Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Not sure of the pricing... ... But those limits don't look too bad.

silbaco

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join:2009-08-03

USA silbaco Premium Member Re: Not sure of the pricing... It is better than some of their competition. LISCO and Centurylink for example. Some of their other competitors only offer 1.5mbps DSL. Really they don't have much competition in most markets.

JTR

join:2012-05-19

Westmont, IL ·Mediacom

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JTR Member Re: Not sure of the pricing... said by silbaco: It is better than some of their competition. LISCO and Centurylink for example. Some of their other competitors only offer 1.5mbps DSL. Really they don't have much competition in most markets.

Yeah, it's the same here. Frontier 7.1mbps (actually 6.5mbps) DSL or Mediacom 20mbps (actually 28mbps with speedboost) cable (which is cheaper, I could have gotten 50mbps for the same price I was paying Frontier). I don't have any other options in this area at the same or faster speeds.

rradina

join:2000-08-08

Chesterfield, MO 920.3 39.3

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Putting a usage cap on 1.5Mbps DSL is like putting a speed governor on a Smart car.



(This past week, a Smart car was involved in a "high speed" chase. At one point the news media said the suspect was driving in excess of 100kph! That was probably down hill with a tail wind...)



I guess if you used the entire 1.5Mbps 24 hours a day for an entire month, it would add up. I think I calculated it could get as high as 400GB or 500GB.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23

11111 sandman_1 Member Doesn't make sense... quote: "Weve implemented the usage allowances to ensure we can deliver on our promise of Always Faster Internet," insists the company, adding that "in reality, only 2% of our users exceed our usage allowances." "Our average Internet subscriber currently uses only 31 GB of data per month, so we dont expect these allowances to have much impact on our customer base," says the company.

So is Mediacom admitting that that they can't handle 2% heavy users and that they must "cap" everyone else. And like someone said before me, how is "usage" and "speed" related in the first place? Also the last time I checked, these ISP's already have throttle mechanisms in place, ala speed tiers. If congestion was such a big deal, they could simply throttle during peak hours. So is Mediacom admitting that that they can't handle 2% heavy users and that they must "cap" everyone else. And like someone said before me, how is "usage" and "speed" related in the first place? Also the last time I checked, these ISP's already have throttle mechanisms in place, ala speed tiers. If congestion was such a big deal, they could simply throttle during peak hours.

nanaki333

join:2010-08-11

Chantilly, VA nanaki333 Member at least their caps line up companies like comcast give everybody a flat cap rate. at least mediacom's caps scale with the package appropriately. ~1TB is not an unreasonable cap for someone who would get the 105Mb package.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: at least their caps line up Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't think the caps are unreasonable. 999GB is more than enough for everything I do, and I'd probably get the 50M plan if I was in that area anyway.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 1 recommendation battleop Member Re: at least their caps line up Yea but what about the homes that have 15 laptops, 7 Xboxes, 9 PS3s, 11 Rokus, 36 pc that try and watch 342 netflix streams while downloading 143 Linux ISOs?



It won't be long before someone here tries to justify why 999GB is unreasonable.



Simba7

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join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT Simba7 Member Re: at least their caps line up Let's see..



We have 6 laptops, 4 desktops, 3 Roku's, 2 Xbox 360's, and a home server that tunnels to our main network.



I'm sure we could eat through a TB worth of data in a month.. maybe less.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 1 recommendation battleop Member Re: at least their caps line up Have you ever seen what's on the other side of those big rectangles with the funny looking knobs?



Simba7

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join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT Simba7 Member Re: at least their caps line up said by battleop: Have you ever seen what's on the other side of those big rectangles with the funny looking knobs?



Oh, you mean the other door Ya. They're really noisy, has quite a bit of heat that comes out of them, and has lots of cables and fans.Oh, you mean thedoor



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop Member Re: at least their caps line up "has quite a bit of heat that comes out of them"



That pretty much sums up the other door right now.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx to Simba7

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I have two desktops, a PS3, six or more laptops, a few smartphones and a PS3. I have to really try to get above, say, 400GB...and that's with multiple people on the network.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray to Simba7

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So you have 15 devices in your household.



Most folks I know have one PC, or are jettisoning it for an iPad, neither of which they really use. They might consume 500mb a month.



Why should they pay the same rate as a household with a half-dozen people?



Simba7

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join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT Simba7 Member Re: at least their caps line up said by elray: Why should they pay the same rate as a household with a half-dozen people?



So, what happens if Windows needs a service pack? Buy a bigger bucket so you don't go over? What if it's too late and you pass out from the bill?



I'm sick of this argument. "Why should I pay for THEIR internet access". You're not. We all pay for it and we like to get our money's worth instead of getting less. Hey, if they get the fastest plan possible, they should pay the same as another person that will (and can) utilize the fastest plan possible.So, what happens if Windows needs a service pack? Buy a bigger bucket so you don't go over? What if it's too late and you pass out from the bill?I'm sick of this argument. "Why should I pay forinternet access". You're not. We all pay for it and we like to get our money's worth instead of getting less.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: at least their caps line up said by Simba7: said by elray: Why should they pay the same rate as a household with a half-dozen people? THEIR internet access". You're not. We all pay for it and we like to get our money's worth instead of getting less.

I'm sick of this argument. "Why should I pay forinternet access". You're not. We all pay for it and we like to get our money's worth instead of getting less.



1/3rd of the customer base uses next to nothing - to the point that, like cellular service before, we could do without a hardwired connection. CableCo needs to sell us a service that reflects the lower usage level.



If you use so much that you exceed the cap on your residential plan, there are business-grade plans available without caps. You can be sick of the argument, but that doesn't make it invalid.1/3rd of the customer base uses next to nothing - to the point that, like cellular service before, we could do without a hardwired connection. CableCo needs to sell us a service that reflects the lower usage level.If you use so much that you exceed the cap on your residential plan, there are business-grade plans available without caps.

gunther_01

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join:2004-03-29

Saybrook, IL gunther_01 to Simba7

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I pay Mediacom Thousands of dollars a month to get a dedicated speed, unlimited usage, and 24x7 support. You can too.



Monies worth? LMAO



Simba7

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join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT Simba7 Member Re: at least their caps line up said by gunther_01: I pay Mediacom Thousands of dollars a month to get a dedicated speed, unlimited usage, and 24x7 support. You can too.



Monies worth? LMAO



Sounds like someone needs to take a few NE courses. Dedicated speed.. through a cable modem? Try again. Only way you can get dedicated speed is through a DS1 (T1), DS3 (T3), OC3, etc. They can't put an SLA like that on a cable modem since it's a ring network and being shared by other users on the same node. DSL, maybe (I wouldn't bet on it), but definitely not on a cable modem.Sounds like someone needs to take a few NE courses.

gunther_01

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join:2004-03-29

Saybrook, IL gunther_01 Premium Member Re: at least their caps line up I have a fiber connection from them. The point is you can have anything you want if you pay for it. Paying $50 a month has no guarantee of anything, but yet most people think it does.



It doesn't. Be happy you get what you get for what you pay. I don't need to take any courses thank you. I have taken enough already.

rradina

join:2000-08-08

Chesterfield, MO rradina to iansltx

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I agree. The caps seem reasonable. However, $10 for another 50GB seems stiff.



Simba7

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..except that the 50M package has the same cap.



If they did it correctly, it'd be a 1.5TB cap for 105mbps and 1TB for 50mbps.

nanaki333

join:2010-08-11

Chantilly, VA nanaki333 Member Re: at least their caps line up i never said it was perfect, but it's a lot more reasonable than comcast's one-size-fits-all cap of 300GB. there's no reason to get anything above the lower tiers on comcast if you get 300GB with 20Mb or 105Mb.

JTR

join:2012-05-19

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2TB for 105mbps would be reasonable, anything less than that doesn't line up with the other tiers.

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06 Wilsdom to nanaki333

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Hard to see how being restricted to 2% usage is "not unreasonable". 1TB is nothing, for $20 you could get an ancient DSL connection to do that

Chubbysumo

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said by nanaki333: companies like comcast give everybody a flat cap rate. at least mediacom's caps scale with the package appropriately. ~1TB is not an unreasonable cap for someone who would get the 105Mb package.

at 105mbps, you can download 13.125MB/s. Thats 787MB per minute. Thats 47250MB per hour. thats 1107GB per day. Its possible to use over 32TB per month in download alone. At 105mbps, you can blow thru your entire cap in less than a day(counting upload). Since when is this a reasonable cap? since when is any cap reasonable? Its just a pure cash grab, and thats it. I use between 900GB and 2TB right now, with charters ultra100 tier(soft cap area).

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Re: at least their caps line up said by Chubbysumo: said by nanaki333: companies like comcast give everybody a flat cap rate. at least mediacom's caps scale with the package appropriately. ~1TB is not an unreasonable cap for someone who would get the 105Mb package.



at 105mbps, you can download 13.125MB/s. Thats 787MB per minute. Thats 47250MB per hour. thats 1107GB per day. Its possible to use over 32TB per month in download alone. At 105mbps, you can blow thru your entire cap in less than a day(counting upload). Since when is this a reasonable cap? since when is any cap reasonable? Its just a pure cash grab, and thats it. I use between 900GB and 2TB right now, with charters ultra100 tier(soft cap area).



Also show me ONE internet application that can even use 105 Mbps? Even HDX Vudu videos top out at 10 Mbps.



If you honestly think that any ISP can handle all their customers are even 1/8 of their customers maxing out 105 Mbps connection 24/7 you are very naive. Name me some legitimate uses for downloading 32 TB a month? Even running 6 Netflix streams 24 hours a day all month uses only 10 TB. Running a dozen streams of Spotify premium which streams at 320 Kbps( Pandora maxes out at 192 kbps ) 24/7 uses only 1 TB a month. Having 4 PCs all running OnLive 24/7 would use 8 TB a month. Ok that's 19 TB a month. Not even close to 32 TB.Also show me ONE internet application that can even use 105 Mbps? Even HDX Vudu videos top out at 10 Mbps.If you honestly think that any ISP can handle all their customers are even 1/8 of their customers maxing out 105 Mbps connection 24/7 you are very naive.

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21

Milford, CT 1 recommendation Rekrul Member ... "Welcome to Bob's orchard! Here's your bushel basket. Now remember, you're only allowed to put three apples in it! Enjoy!"

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13

Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 Member Interesting I do think it is interesting that they have 1TB limits and their limits grow with speeds. Mediacom must have one of the most robust networks out there to blow Comcast and them out of the water with cap support.



I also find it interesting that such slow speeds have any cap at all. How many with such slow speed "abuse" a network? How in the world could someone with such slow speed abuse a node at all that would cause everyone on the node to suffer thus requiring bandwidth control (assuming they dont pay for more)?



Lastly, I find it very humorous that only 2% of their user's exceed the caps (which caps we dont know) and yet they need to cap all users as a result.



How many users per node exceed this cap?

How is having a cap going to stop congestion?

How is having a cap that allows them to continue on, just pay more, going to stop congestion?

elefante72

join:2010-12-03

East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member What is really needed



Granted w/ a 30 link you can download 2x as fast, but is it worth $20/more -- not really and that's why they are introducing caps, to push people to higher tiers which is pure profit. Caps were created by the actuaries such that a very small % hit them today, but as they know internet grows 30% a year, so in 3 years 30% or more are hitting the honey pot, and who doesn't want $10-$20 more revenue for something that costs $.50 to produce. Pure profit.



I read in TWC that 80% of the people use "turbo" or lower which in my neck is 15/2. I know we are not typical people, but for the masses it works just fine....



They of course start the caps higher, and then the will raise rates on each tier, and lower the cap just like they did in Canada. I mean there you are lucky if you get 60 GB.



Caps do not equal network management, because there are no caps, just price overages. So how can they equate that to network management. What a BIG FAT LIE. Take a look at FCC, almost all of the carriers (sans Frontier) are hitting 100% at prime time WITHOUT NETWORK MANAGEMENT. And Comcase has their own "private internet" running over the same resource constrained pipe, just running on the teetering edge of collapse any second If you look at the typical family I would find it hard pressed that even a 15 Mbps link is needed. We always talk Netflix, but netflix only allows 2 streams per account. With the new tech they release a HD stream (720) takes up less than 2 Mbps, so even worst case we are talking about 4 Mbps for 2 streams. OK take two more 8 Mbps. At 15 Mbps you are talking about room left to spare. I was watching streams from the 80's and less than 250MB/hr. Netflix has come a long way. Amazon has some work to do.Granted w/ a 30 link you can download 2x as fast, but is it worth $20/more -- not really and that's why they are introducing caps, to push people to higher tiers which is pure profit. Caps were created by the actuaries such that a very small % hit them today, but as they know internet grows 30% a year, so in 3 years 30% or more are hitting the honey pot, and who doesn't want $10-$20 more revenue for something that costs $.50 to produce. Pure profit.I read in TWC that 80% of the people use "turbo" or lower which in my neck is 15/2. I know we are not typical people, but for the masses it works just fine....They of course start the caps higher, and then the will raise rates on each tier, and lower the cap just like they did in Canada. I mean there you are lucky if you get 60 GB.Caps do not equal network management, because there are no caps, just price overages. So how can they equate that to network management. What a BIG FAT LIE. Take a look at FCC, almost all of the carriers (sans Frontier) are hitting 100% at prime time WITHOUT NETWORK MANAGEMENT. And Comcase has their own "private internet" running over the same resource constrained pipe, just running on the teetering edge of collapse any second

jhamps10

join:2006-01-06

Arlington, TX jhamps10 Member very fair caps Unless your a business, and then they have business plans for that as well.. While I hate caps in general, at least these are fair and reasonable caps put up by Mediacom.



saddened

@mchsi.com saddened Anon Re: very fair caps said by jhamps10: Unless your a business, and then they have business plans for that as well.. While I hate caps in general, at least these are fair and reasonable caps put up by Mediacom.

reasonable and fair caps? oxymoron there ya big dummy

DoctorX

join:2010-08-01 DoctorX Member well this sux officially well this really sux now. If you are grandfathered in, you have 250GB cap says MediacomChad. So if you (like me) have the Ultra50, then in order to get the 999TB cap, you have to make the change.

DoctorX DoctorX Member i misunderstood MediacomChad. Although you have the 250GB data allowance in place, since you had this service prior to 08/01 we do not have any plans to throttle, suspend, or charge for additional bandwidth once you reach that threshold. With the new plans although you have a 999GB data allowance, once you exceed that threshold you will have to purchase additional bandwidth at $10 per 50GB over, so at this time you are in a much better situation than if you were to change to the new terms.

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Still complaints Yes in an ideal world there wouldn't be caps. In an ideal world I'd have $1 billion and Mila Kunis too. That aint happening either.

350 GB for 20 Mbps is certainly better than what anyone else has out there. Most everyone else is stuck on 250 GB except Comcast which upped their caps to 300 GB. And the 999 GB cap, really no one should whine about that. Charter's 100 Mbps tier has a 500 GB cap.



EGeezer

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join:2002-08-04

Midwest EGeezer Premium Member Finally - competition. Oh, please, please, PLEASE let it come to our area!



AugustaBrian

@knology.net AugustaBrian Anon Slow My speeds with Mediacom were so slow that it would be impossible for me to reach any cap they set. I had the 12/2 package and could barely manage 1/1 on a good day. They said it was just normal network congestion and speeds were not guaranteed. Maybe they should focus on actually providing quality service before they worry about caps. I provide a higher quality and faster network with army (over satellite) equipment for my unit than this for profit company does for it's customers.



saddened

@mchsi.com saddened Anon Re: Slow usually when ya get speeds that low is because overpacked nodes an routers. or oversold area's too. and when i use the term usually i mean 90% of the time in this situation.



IowaCowboy

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Springfield, MA ARRIS SB6183

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Those are generous compared to Comcast or VZW I used to live in Mediacom territory (Iowa) and I miss their prices.



Comcast supposedly has a 250 GB cap (which they claim is suspended) and their prices are much higher. My cable bill went up a good $20 per month just by moving to Massachusetts. The reason I moved to Mass is my mother is originally from Springfield, Mass and she wanted to go back home as much as I now want to go back to Iowa. Everything here in Mass is twice as expensive as it is in Iowa (rent, utilities, groceries, etc).



VZW has a 4GB cap an the plan I selected and that goes between an iPhone, iPad, Jetpack, and two dumb phones.



Spudster

@mchsi.com Spudster Anon Rate Caps I've been with MediaCom for 6 years now, and paid 74.95 /mo for the "Max" Plan. When I contacted MediaCom, they told me that I have a 350GB Cap as of 8/1. They said to refer to the FCC Filing on their website. When I went looking for the FCC release, I couldn't find it.

DouglasW1

join:2012-08-15

Douglas, GA DouglasW1 Member Re: Rate Caps

(Granted, it's a lot easier to wire a smaller country).



Lots of litigation concering caps/throttling. For a sample: » Meanwhile, folks in Japan and Korea are enjoying 20-60 mbps speeds, with more generous or no caps. America, land of the not-so-free ;p(Granted, it's a lot easier to wire a smaller country).Lots of litigation concering caps/throttling. For a sample: » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba ··· rottling