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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 28, 2011, 09:28:42 PM #41 Quote from: trentzb on September 28, 2011, 09:08:45 PM "replace the fed", "obsolete the fed" ?



That I do like. How about 'obsolete the fed, [check|limit|restrain|control] the banks'?



What I would dearly love to see sometime within my lifetime is that banks serve a benevolent purpose. I think it is absurd to ignore their utility, but, as always, that's just my personal opinion. What I am groping for is a slogan-friendly way to say it. Right now the commercial banks are, in my opinion, highly malevolent and getting worse and I see Bitcoin as the most promising way so far to alter the situation. The fed, OTOH, is utterly useless and should never have blighted our country (I am an American of course.)

That I do like. How about 'obsolete the fed, [check|limit|restrain|control] the banks'?What I would dearly love to see sometime within my lifetime is that banks serve a benevolent purpose. I think it is absurd to ignore their utility, but, as always, that's just my personal opinion. What I am groping for is a slogan-friendly way to say it. Right now the commercial banks are, in my opinion, highly malevolent and getting worse and I see Bitcoin as the most promising way so far to alter the situation. The fed, OTOH, is utterly useless and should never have blighted our country (I am an American of course.) sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.

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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 28, 2011, 09:49:21 PM #43 Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 09:12:20 PM Quote from: P4man on September 28, 2011, 11:34:42 AM I tend to agree that "end the banks" may not be the best message here.





I don't think anyone here realizes that this is sponsored by socialists and revolutionary Communists using resentment against Wall Street for a recruiting drive...

I don't think anyone here realizes that this is sponsored by socialists and revolutionary Communists using resentment against Wall Street for a recruiting drive...

That statement has some element of accuracy. I'm among the sponsors of this effort, a socialist (as much as anything), and hope that a lot of others share my resentment of 'Wall Street' and become involved in trying to make some changes.



I suspect that my political leanings are in the minority however, and have zero ties to anyone on a political level. I think that 'revolutionary Communists' are at least highly endangered if not extinct. I've never seen one in the wild.



I don't think anyone here failed to realize that Andrew_Bitcoiner is starting to freak out a little bit. If it's any consolation, Andrew, many's a slip twixt the cup and the lip. You can start to panic in earnest if this things seems to be going anywhere in a few days.

That statement has some element of accuracy. I'm among the sponsors of this effort, a socialist (as much as anything), and hope that a lot of others share my resentment of 'Wall Street' and become involved in trying to make some changes.I suspect that my political leanings are in the minority however, and have zero ties to anyone on a political level. I think that 'revolutionary Communists' are at least highly endangered if not extinct. I've never seen one in the wild.I don't think anyone hereto realize that Andrew_Bitcoiner is starting to freak out a little bit. If it's any consolation, Andrew, many's a slip twixt the cup and the lip. You can start to panic in earnest if this things seems to be going anywhere in a few days. sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.

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LegendaryActivity: 2184Merit: 1053Affordable Physical Bitcoins - Denarium.com Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 28, 2011, 10:23:34 PM #45 Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 09:12:20 PM I don't think anyone here realizes that this is sponsored by socialists and revolutionary Communists using resentment against Wall Street for a recruiting drive... Even if this is true, I don't think it's a problem. I'm from the radical left but I'm a liberal, so that makes me a left-liberal. What I've seen so far is that Bitcoin is something that most left-wing and right-wing liberals can both agree on. They can agree that it is an improvement and could help people. I know there are people in this Bitcoin community from both sides, but what almost everyone have in common is that they have liberal thinking.



Which leads me to believe that this Wall Street protest also has both left-wing and right-wing involved. But most of them will also be liberals so they have something in common. I've gone into useless arguments about the freedoms people have in a market system, so many times, with myself and others like me (libertarian socialists), against what I call the anarcho-capitalists. It's mostly useless because both sides think they're right no matter how many arguments are thrown at them.



It would make me much happier if we can find some common ground and do something good together, and I feel both the protest and Bitcoin is something that we can work on without getting into constant debates. Even if this is true, I don't think it's a problem. I'm from the radical left but I'm a liberal, so that makes me a left-liberal. What I've seen so far is that Bitcoin is something that most left-wing and right-wing liberals can both agree on. They can agree that it is an improvement and could help people. I know there are people in this Bitcoin community from both sides, but what almost everyone have in common is that they have liberal thinking.Which leads me to believe that this Wall Street protest also has both left-wing and right-wing involved. But most of them will also be liberals so they have something in common. I've gone into useless arguments about the freedoms people have in a market system, so many times, with myself and others like me (libertarian socialists), against what I call the anarcho-capitalists. It's mostly useless because both sides think they're right no matter how many arguments are thrown at them.It would make me much happier if we can find some common ground and do something good together, and I feel both the protest and Bitcoin is something that we can work on without getting into constant debates. here! Denarium closing sale discounts now up to 43%! Check out our products from

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LegendaryActivity: 1008Merit: 1005Democracy is the original 51% attack Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 01:56:30 AM #46 Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 09:12:20 PM Quote from: P4man on September 28, 2011, 11:34:42 AM I tend to agree that "end the banks" may not be the best message here.





I don't think anyone here realizes that this is sponsored by socialists and revolutionary Communists using resentment against Wall Street for a recruiting drive...

I don't think anyone here realizes that this is sponsored by socialists and revolutionary Communists using resentment against Wall Street for a recruiting drive...

I realize it. The vast majority of the protesters I would probably say are "anti-corporate, anti-profit, anti-market" types and they (incorrectly) ascribe the US banking system as an element of a free market economy, resulting in vast social inequities blah blah blah. You can see from their signs that many of them are mad, but at the wrong thing, or they simply don't understand who the villain is. They blame "money" as a concept, instead of realizing it's the specific form of money that we have which is problematic.



So be it. They are an audience seeking answers and new ideas, and at least some portion of them realize that it's morally wrong (not to mention economically foolish) to bail out companies with public money. They'd probably just as quickly support subsidies for solar companies, but whatev. =)



But anyone who's ready to look at an alternative monetary system is a fantastic candidate to learn of Bitcoin. Who knows, perhaps some of them will be led here and ultimately learn about the value of liberty as a cohesive theory, and break out of the absurd right vs left silliness that US peoples are indoctrinated into.



They need Bitcoin, for many reasons. I realize it. The vast majority of the protesters I would probably say are "anti-corporate, anti-profit, anti-market" types and they (incorrectly) ascribe the US banking system as an element of a free market economy, resulting in vast social inequities blah blah blah. You can see from their signs that many of them are mad, but at the wrong thing, or they simply don't understand who the villain is. They blame "money" as a concept, instead of realizing it's the specificof money that we have which is problematic.So be it. They are an audience seeking answers and new ideas, and at least some portion of them realize that it's morally wrong (not to mention economically foolish) to bail out companies with public money. They'd probably just as quickly support subsidies for solar companies, but whatev. =)But anyone who's ready to look at an alternative monetary system is a fantastic candidate to learn of Bitcoin. Who knows, perhaps some of them will be led here and ultimately learn about the value of liberty as a cohesive theory, and break out of the absurd right vs left silliness that US peoples are indoctrinated into.They need Bitcoin, for many reasons.

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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 05:35:19 AM #48 This post is just some thoughts on what I think could be an effective UI, probably for future incarnations (or what I am taking the liberty of calling 'campaigns') due to limited time.



First, a list of things which, as a user, I would consider turn-offs.



- appearance of preference for an organization (commercial, political, etc.)

- need to give personal info.

- appearance of data mining (cookies, redirects, etc.)



Next, a concern.



- I like the QR code, and the 'extreme' one that someone posted was pretty cool but I did not like the redirect though. I do have some concern that if it is 'to easy', people will visit the site in the heat of battle from their phone (which is exactly what I did today when the 'extreme QR' was published.) I think it would be generally better if the user visited later, from home, when they are relaxing and more likely to be in front of a laptop or workstation. This so they could focus on the material, take notes, bring up extra browser windows, etc. All things that would help get a handle on Bitcoin from a starting point.



Next, a 'tour'.

It would be nice if the system remembered where the user was in the tour. As best I understand things, this could be accomplished without cookies in the case were a unique, per-user URL is published.



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First screen - Some text like:

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"We are going to give you actual bitcoin from a pool donated by current users for the purpose of introducing new users to the system. We believe that Bitcoin is revolutionary in many ways and has the potential to have a positive impact in many parts of the world. The more users, the more possible this becomes and that is a major goal of this project.



This is real Bitcoin money (albeit not a whole lot.) It can be converted to USD, EU, RMB, etc, etc using a number of exchange services. Some of the doners obtained the BTC from exchanges using USD, EU, etc. Others ran 'mining rigs' to obtain it.



The amount of money we will give you is based on the size of the pool and the number of recipients. It may vary, and more may be issued to you at a future time. The only thing required to accept this money is an address which is unique for you. This address is associated with a secret key which needs to be protected. There are several ways to obtain such an address:



- Wallet Service (a third-party service maintains your address/secret key on-line.) In some cases, we can obtain this wallet in real time on your behalf for ease of use.

- instawallet

- btccinch

- operationbitcoin.org (yup, us.)

- whatever



- Own Lite Client (In this case your secret key is maintained locally. Not available yet.)



- Own Full Client (You may install the client software on your own machine. In this case, you hold your own private key and participate in supporting transactions in the network, but it is more effort to figure things out.)



- Have address. Send funds to this:



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Second screen - Some text like this:

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"Now, what can you do with your money? The goal of this page is to demonstrate the ease and flexibility of sending arbitrary amounts of money to different people or groups. We will help dig up an address and encourage you to excersize the transfer methods of the wallet solution you have chosen.



- Donate some or all of it to a cause of your choice. Here are some options that we can think of:



- occupywallstreet: <address>

- wikileaks: <address>



- Donate back to the pool from where these funds were drawn: <address>



- Give it away at random:



- last user who went through this: <address>

- n-th user who went through this: <n in box> <address appears>



- send it to this address: <box for address>



- do nothing with it...I'll figure it out later.



Note that it is possible for someone to send you funds, or that we will make an adjustment when this campaign is finished. You may wish to attach your address to a service like



- bitcoinnotify

- whatever



so you can be alerted if this happens.



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OK, I'm tired of this now. Basically warnings about not trusting people, where to get further info, etc, etc.



One more thing. I like the way Google technical references and bitcoinity have expandable sections for further descriptions. I find this very usable, and possibly nice for something as complex as trying to describe Bitcoin to a new user.



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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 08:07:48 AM #49 I've been following the IRC channel and am satisfied that honest people are working diligently and effectively toward the goal of this project...and on a pretty tight schedule. Thus, I've followed up with the remainder of my pledge which was another 25 BTC (and again, a bit of change.)

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Sr. MemberActivity: 350Merit: 250 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 12:50:57 PM #51 I'm on the other side thinking that the time to trying put things nicely and trying to appease everyone is over. I like the more provocative approach as the participation in bitcoin is truly a peaceful way of protesting against Wall St. The purpose is to intrigue them enough to want to find the information on their own and make their OWN decisions about it afterwards.



Putting things grammatically correct and making things look professional and all is needed, but I don't think we need to hold back on the wording just to appease to the general population that are just sitting and watching.



Don't forget this is being prepared for people who are aware of the problems of the Wall St. enough to want to camp out and protest it and not the general sleeping public. There is no reason to candy coat every little thing to them. They already took the red pill so to speak.





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Full MemberActivity: 236Merit: 100 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 02:38:50 PM #52 Would whoever's going to be doing the actual in-person distribution be interested in posting a short write-up of their experience on the Bitcoin Business Review? I think the hows of and reactions to such a campaign would be of pretty wide interest to people in the community...

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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 04:38:50 PM #53 Quote from: Litt on September 29, 2011, 12:50:57 PM I'm on the other side thinking that the time to trying put things nicely and trying to appease everyone is over. I like the more provocative approach as the participation in bitcoin is truly a peaceful way of protesting against Wall St. The purpose is to intrigue them enough to want to find the information on their own and make their OWN decisions about it afterwards.



Putting things grammatically correct and making things look professional and all is needed, but I don't think we need to hold back on the wording just to appease to the general population that are just sitting and watching.



Don't forget this is being prepared for people who are aware of the problems of the Wall St. enough to want to camp out and protest it and not the general sleeping public. There is no reason to candy coat every little thing to them. They already took the red pill so to speak.





I'm not in favor of 'sugar coating' any text. I am, however, sensitive to the issue of displaying to much bluster and making a bad first impression in that way.



I think that you nailed it in terms of piquing people's interest being a key. Being able to demonstrate a real utility (like working around the PayPal block) is a great way to do this. Giving people an easy way to actually contribute themselves and get somewhat familiar with Bitcoin in the process is even better.



Using Bitcoin to bypass the PayPal block is in fact a direct assault, a significant victory, and happily also something with is 100% appropriate under the theory that we have a 'free' country. I am confident that this action will speak louder than any slogans to a lot of the more clued in people.



Bitcoin is drastically out gunned on every front and a significant underdog. It seems far-fetched that we are going to vanquish the fed and the banks and I personally see no real win in stating that...I mostly see it painting a 'laugh at me' target on us to be honest. (I actually think that we could 'win by default' at the end of the day, but that is much to nuanced to build a slogan around.)

I'm not in favor of 'sugar coating' any text. I am, however, sensitive to the issue of displaying to much bluster and making a bad first impression in that way.I think that you nailed it in terms of piquing people's interest being a key. Being able to demonstrate a real utility (like working around the PayPal block) is a great way to do this. Giving people an easy way to actually contribute themselves and get somewhat familiar with Bitcoin in the process is even better.Using Bitcoin to bypass the PayPal block is in fact a direct assault, a significant victory, and happily also something with is 100% appropriate under the theory that we have a 'free' country. I am confident that this action will speak louder than any slogans to a lot of the more clued in people.Bitcoin is drastically out gunned on every front and a significant underdog. It seems far-fetched that we are going to vanquish the fed and the banks and I personally see no real win in stating that...I mostly see it painting a 'laugh at me' target on us to be honest. (I actually think that we could 'win by default' at the end of the day, but that is much to nuanced to build a slogan around.) sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.

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Here is the revised version of the landing page, taking peoples' main concerns into consideration.



- "end the fed end the banks" replaced by "obsolete the fed"

- removal of walletbit, no ewallet is mentioned now

- "free coin" is more prominent, as that's the purpose of this campaign

Here is the revised version of the landing page, taking peoples' main concerns into consideration.- "end the fed end the banks" replaced by "obsolete the fed"- removal of walletbit, no ewallet is mentioned now- "free coin" is more prominent, as that's the purpose of this campaign

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Here is my card design. Two options (double sided with color background, or single sided with no color background).



The single sided is cheaper and faster to produce. The double sided is more cohesive with the landing page brand look/feel.



Comments? We'll need to finalize a card option by this evening (EST) Here is my card design. Two options (double sided with color background, or single sided with no color background).The single sided is cheaper and faster to produce. The double sided is more cohesive with the landing page brand look/feel.Comments? We'll need to finalize a card option by this evening (EST)

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Full MemberActivity: 236Merit: 100 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 07:15:35 PM #56 Looking quite nice (I like #1)! The one buzz-word that I'd throw in somewhere is "peer-to-peer," as it is something that is both perceived as somewhat radical but non-ideological (and hence appeals to an extremely broad ideological spectrum).

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LegendaryActivity: 3332Merit: 1140 Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion September 29, 2011, 07:52:04 PM #58 I like the landing page, and both version of the card.



I also like both of the terms 'peer-to-peer' and 'open source' ('open source' means more to me personally, but I suspect that that is not typical.) Both of these terms should, in my opinion, be slotted for possible inclusion on the hand-out at some point as time and space allows.



I am in favor of neglecting to get into a discussion of anonymity simply because it is to technical and to much of a can of worms for new users. (I'm glad this has not come up as an issue yet.)



I also like the terms 'non debt-based' and 'non inflationary', but those suffer from the same issues of complexity and technicality as 'anonymous'.



Thank you evoorhees et-al.

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