[7/2/2014 5:58:14 AM] Aura Ikku: Just so we're clear on this topic, darth's suggestion that IG run moons for 45 mil is not going to happen. We had an agreement that was determined before the invasion of catch wich I continously requested confirmation on throughout the campaign.

I was assured time and time again that r64s and r32s would be for the alliance and r16s and below were up for grabs.

[7/2/2014 5:58:57 AM] Aura Ikku: IG will help the alliance where needed, but this proposed model is not going to happen

[7/2/2014 5:59:15 AM] Aura Ikku: no idiot would run towers for 45 mil

[7/2/2014 6:01:21 AM] Aura Ikku: so darth, think again and come up with another idea

[7/2/2014 10:11:01 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": http://forums.spaceshipsamurai.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1600

[7/2/2014 10:19:03 AM] Aura Ikku: I think you'll find this isn't just me

[7/2/2014 10:20:00 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": I know it's not just you, and I really don't care at this point.

[7/2/2014 10:20:22 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you should

[7/2/2014 10:20:31 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): at least they are contributing

[7/2/2014 10:21:00 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): still dont see a dime from no-m in the alliance wallet

[7/2/2014 10:23:31 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": That's cuz the shit has yet to get moved and sold. I don't want toi hear anything more about that. If you really think that No-M is trying to steal for siphon income from the allaince then you are sorely mistaken. In case you have forgotten I am part of No-M so I can figure out exactly what is going on.

[7/2/2014 10:24:17 AM] Aura Ikku: well fact is, your model is not going to work

[7/2/2014 10:24:27 AM] Aura Ikku: I will not support it

[7/2/2014 10:25:01 AM] Aura Ikku: and I feel rather cheated considering how many times I asked for verification

[7/2/2014 10:25:13 AM] Aura Ikku: I don't even fucking like running towers

[7/2/2014 10:25:49 AM] Aura Ikku: yet due to continued assurances that this would be a good thing to do, I supported our huge investment in moons

[7/2/2014 10:25:55 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): the fact is the alliance paid for no-m's large towers and bought them freighters that dont get used. and has not seen anything from it

[7/2/2014 10:26:14 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so untill will can see i will continue to bring it up.

[7/2/2014 10:26:19 AM] Aura Ikku: now you've gone off and deciced, without myself or silver being around during the meeting, that things are going to change

[7/2/2014 10:26:22 AM] Aura Ikku: well fuck that

[7/2/2014 10:26:54 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you guys want to strangle the corsp that are helping pay bills but do nothing your selves

[7/2/2014 10:27:29 AM] Aura Ikku: IG will pay its fair share but any deal has to be reasonable

[7/2/2014 10:29:25 AM | Edited 10:29:35 AM] Aura Ikku: I've been waiting for logistics to setup contracts for the agreed share of moon goo on r32s and R64s yet this never happened

[7/2/2014 10:29:58 AM | Edited 10:30:00 AM] Aura Ikku: if this was sorted out earlier, maybe the alliance would not be in the financial situation it is now

[7/2/2014 10:30:17 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we are not hurting that bad

[7/2/2014 10:30:32 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): But capt, it's not just cdiat and ig anymore we have to listen to the minority( absolute rubbish bullshit) and give them everything they want for fear of political bullshit

[7/2/2014 10:30:41 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": We have been trying to sort this fucking shit out for too dam long

[7/2/2014 10:30:48 AM] Aura Ikku: well not having an alt in the holding corp leaves me out of that picture

[7/2/2014 10:30:51 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): It was sorted

[7/2/2014 10:30:58 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I thought

[7/2/2014 10:31:23 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": No it never has, every idea that has been proposed has been shot down by someone

[7/2/2014 10:31:25 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Now we are changing shit why. I thought it was all percentage based

[7/2/2014 10:31:40 AM] Aura Ikku: ^

[7/2/2014 10:31:42 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): no darth and pavo decided they wanted to come up with some shitty flat rate deal

[7/2/2014 10:32:10 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Because we are trying to be brave pets why

[7/2/2014 10:32:22 AM] Aura Ikku: 75% of r64 and r32s go to alliance

[7/2/2014 10:32:35 AM] Aura Ikku: this was the agreement from the beggining

[7/2/2014 10:32:43 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): or 50% of everything

[7/2/2014 10:32:55 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): would be fair now

[7/2/2014 10:33:15 AM] Aura Ikku: eh?

[7/2/2014 10:33:21 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Yeah that's what I remember the deal beaing aura

[7/2/2014 10:33:31 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): something me and silver where discussing

[7/2/2014 10:33:37 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 75 of 32 and 64

[7/2/2014 10:33:42 AM] Aura Ikku: 50% of everything puts us at a disadvasntage

[7/2/2014 10:33:46 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): nah

[7/2/2014 10:34:17 AM] Aura Ikku: in that it takes more effort to fuel the more numerous r16s

[7/2/2014 10:34:22 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we ran the numbers and its 3x what 45 a tower would pay

[7/2/2014 10:35:05 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Can we refer to that as " the shit deal" from now on for posterity sake

[7/2/2014 10:36:04 AM | Edited 10:36:08 AM] Aura Ikku: just don't move the goal posts

[7/2/2014 10:36:19 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": running the towers off a percentage is shit and comepletly unfair, certain corps will get more income for less effort, while others will be putting more effort in for less income.

[7/2/2014 10:36:39 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so is a shitty flat rate

[7/2/2014 10:36:40 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Corps who do more get more

[7/2/2014 10:36:59 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I like that better

[7/2/2014 10:37:47 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": omg you guys are so fucking retarded

[7/2/2014 10:37:54 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): the thing you have not considered or offered is ig has tons of towers and fuel block production

[7/2/2014 10:38:08 AM] Aura Ikku: quite

[7/2/2014 10:38:36 AM] Aura Ikku: we have created a model requiring significant investment based on some supposedly solid guidelines

[7/2/2014 10:38:58 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so instead of saying we are brave so lets use there format why not talk to ig about buying there towers and the ice blocks they make first

[7/2/2014 10:39:02 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Pavo, the only retarded one is you. The fact that you are even saying that means you have lost and you know it

[7/2/2014 10:39:10 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): then talk to other corps

[7/2/2014 10:40:22 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Yeah get all the highsec scrubs to ignorantly rally on this deal

[7/2/2014 10:40:22 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so that you dont just fuck there guys that have put in the work to get everything set up and going

[7/2/2014 10:41:35 AM] Aura Ikku: we did indeed take the initiative and that was because there was incentive

[7/2/2014 10:41:59 AM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": Caleb you can shut the fuck up I don't give a shit what you say right now. And I was planning on buying the towers off those that have them up. If IG is running fuel block production then the Alliance can buy the Fuel blocls off them

[7/2/2014 10:42:26 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but that should have been the first conversation

[7/2/2014 10:43:11 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): having a meeting with working out the details was a easy way to tell ig fuck you

[7/2/2014 10:43:23 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Don't attempt ballsy plays that have noone sanding behind them

[7/2/2014 10:44:29 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Especially when anyone can(and have) said its reatarded on multiple occasions

[7/2/2014 10:44:32 AM] Aura Ikku: its important to us all to agree on something

[7/2/2014 10:44:46 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): We did

[7/2/2014 10:44:56 AM | Edited 10:45:23 AM] Aura Ikku: IG doesn't want to screw the allaince over and hoard

[7/2/2014 10:45:07 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Noone does

[7/2/2014 10:45:39 AM] Aura Ikku: but we need to have a fair deal

[7/2/2014 10:45:51 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): We did, and we all agreed

[7/2/2014 10:46:16 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Now out of nowhere we are doing the same shit we have done 3 times again

[7/2/2014 10:46:22 AM] Aura Ikku: yes, no one have even told me why the original plan of 75% tax on the valuable moons is no longer viable

[7/2/2014 10:46:38 AM] Aura Ikku: would be a good starting point no?

[7/2/2014 10:47:04 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): It's just this time there is less smart people who if swindled will may back this retarded shit so here we go again

[7/2/2014 10:47:06 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): It just seems No-m is pushing this deal so hard before anyone notices that they hadnt paid out or even give anyone some kind of numbers of what they are sitting on

[7/2/2014 10:47:34 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): like they are hiding something

[7/2/2014 10:47:51 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Seems to me like we where bloated with other corps for this end

[7/2/2014 10:47:54 AM] Aura Ikku: no-mercy went for the valuable moons and IG went for the less valuable ones

[7/2/2014 10:48:09 AM] Aura Ikku: often after no-mercy rejected the idea of taking a given moon

[7/2/2014 10:48:41 AM] Aura Ikku: we were happy to do this as we thought we coudl keep those lowly r16s

[7/2/2014 10:49:02 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): yesterday darth said no-m has only made 8b a month

[7/2/2014 10:49:14 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we know thats utter bullshit

[7/2/2014 10:49:54 AM] Aura Ikku: I would agree that there is a massive difference between holding a moon getting go and turning that into isk

[7/2/2014 10:50:09 AM] Aura Ikku: IG still owes 15 bil to our officers for the whole project

[7/2/2014 10:50:18 AM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Still

[7/2/2014 10:50:22 AM] Aura Ikku: however, we do have goo about

[7/2/2014 10:50:33 AM] Aura Ikku: but calculating the value is not easy

[7/2/2014 10:51:14 AM] Aura Ikku: its a pain in the ass getting stuff to jita and selling it

[7/2/2014 10:51:18 AM] Aura Ikku: lol

[7/2/2014 11:26:48 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): So.... How much does no-m have to put towards the alliance from the moons?

[7/2/2014 11:28:47 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor):

and im free to help move it to market if thats all thats holding you back.

[7/2/2014 11:29:37 AM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Im sure we would all like to know.

[7/2/2014 12:19:53 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Alright Cpt, here we go. I have made multiple efforts over the past 2 and a half months to give the isk to Pavo for the moons. He kept saying no that we didnt need it yet, that he'd give me advance notice. And I told him that the second he needed It I would give 95% of all income after that time to the alliance after fuel costs. Which is pretty damn fair. We're not looking to make money from this.

We don't give a shit, which is why we're cool with only making 45 mil a month per tower. You guys are the ones that want more, that want to turn a profit.

[7/2/2014 12:20:06 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We'

[7/2/2014 12:21:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: ve also not asked for compensation for the upgrades I personally brought down and paid for, the Ihubs I helped pay for, the freighters we ran down, the moons we fought for time and time again, the Jump Bridge I set up and paid sov bills for. Nor have I asked for the over 4 bil in Sov bills my corp has paid.

[7/2/2014 12:21:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We paid them no questions asked, because we were making isk and the alliance wasn't/

[7/2/2014 12:21:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: At one point we had pretty much every system in the RNF and N-8 pocket held by us.

[7/2/2014 12:21:42 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): alliance bought the freights remember

[7/2/2014 12:21:44 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And we were paying the sov bills.

[7/2/2014 12:21:50 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Alliance paid for some of the freighters.

[7/2/2014 12:22:00 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We've moved 5-6 down here for alliance shit.

[7/2/2014 12:22:15 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So if you want to accuse me of stealing, do it to my face.

[7/2/2014 12:22:30 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And I'll kindly send a bil for probably around 9-10 bil worth of expenses we've racked up.

[7/2/2014 12:22:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Otherwise, you can take pretty much 100% of the moon goo from this day forward and consider yourself in a pretty fucking good position

[7/2/2014 12:23:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Since we all know it's probably going to go for you guys to get your titans anyways

[7/2/2014 12:23:52 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): bull shit the alliance has paid for a ton of that shit and you where holding r64's

[7/2/2014 12:24:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: lol check the sov transfers (heart)

[7/2/2014 12:24:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You'll see what we were holding, and you can do the math.

[7/2/2014 12:25:46 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The JB alone cost us over 1.2b for the first payments and we made like 3

[7/2/2014 12:26:42 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So by all means we can bring out the numbers.

[7/2/2014 12:27:46 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so what your trying to say is all the goo you have pulled is even with what you have spent

[7/2/2014 12:28:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You paid it up till the beginning of may when I stopped asking for shit since the alliance had no income I took it onmyself to pay your damn bills.

[7/2/2014 12:28:50 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): OH 1 MONTH

[7/2/2014 12:29:25 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but your talk r64 income

[7/2/2014 12:29:31 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): talking

[7/2/2014 12:30:33 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I know what your spending cause we are spending the same if not more

[7/2/2014 12:30:54 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): it is no where near the income of r64's

[7/2/2014 12:31:20 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: No it isn't. I turned I think 2-3 b profit in the entire time which was reinvested in caps, pos's, helping out alliance mates, and basically overall paying back the shit we loaned to get shit done.

[7/2/2014 12:31:42 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And that's not even including the fuel and ships used.

[7/2/2014 12:31:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: If you wanted a right to bitch about it, Cdiat should have picked up moons.

[7/2/2014 12:32:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Or at the minimum you could have helped us take the moons.

[7/2/2014 12:32:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Most of these moons were taken by IG and No-M.

[7/2/2014 12:32:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I did all the diplo work to get them taken care of after Nc. took them, I kissed ass to get them taken care of and switched.

[7/2/2014 12:33:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The alliance just paid for the tower on J6, and 1p

[7/2/2014 12:33:27 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so then be honest

[7/2/2014 12:33:41 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): the r64's where for no -m not alliance

[7/2/2014 12:33:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: No, they were taken by the alliance, used by No-M.

[7/2/2014 12:34:04 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): oh ok

[7/2/2014 12:34:12 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They were secured to ensure the income at least went to friendly forces.

[7/2/2014 12:34:36 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And we discussed this prior to them being taken.

[7/2/2014 12:34:46 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I did the leg work to get them, it cost you 300m.

[7/2/2014 12:34:50 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Whoopity dooo!

[7/2/2014 12:35:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 300m isn't much. I admit I made a profit off it.

[7/2/2014 12:35:28 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): just as long as everyone else understands

[7/2/2014 12:35:43 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Understands what

[7/2/2014 12:35:46 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Exactly

[7/2/2014 12:36:03 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): that those moons where never intended for alliance income

[7/2/2014 12:36:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Never intended?

[7/2/2014 12:36:20 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Are you high?

[7/2/2014 12:36:28 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Are you

[7/2/2014 12:36:32 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I clearly stated I tried multiple times to give the moons to pavo.

[7/2/2014 12:36:37 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 100% of the income.

[7/2/2014 12:36:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Out to pavo.

[7/2/2014 12:36:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Aka the alliance

[7/2/2014 12:36:58 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so its still there?

[7/2/2014 12:37:36 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): or all gone?

[7/2/2014 12:38:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Consider it gone. Consider all further income the alliance, as I told you lot. Just tell me in advance when you need it and I'll give the income levels to the alliance.

[7/2/2014 12:38:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I don't give a rats ass about isk, I give isk out to alliance members non stop, just random bro moves.

[7/2/2014 12:38:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: That's how I spend my isk.

[7/2/2014 12:38:34 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And anyone can tell you that.

[7/2/2014 12:38:52 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I dare you to make your accusations of me stealing public. You'll get laughed at.

[7/2/2014 12:38:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Because I don't need isk.

[7/2/2014 12:39:10 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): So you gave away 8 bill because someone said the alliance didnt need money

[7/2/2014 12:39:20 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Sounds retarded

[7/2/2014 12:39:27 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): So its pavo's fault there is no income form no-m towers so far?

[7/2/2014 12:39:30 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I keep isk around so when I want to randomly do something nice, when the alliance needs something, I can cover it.

[7/2/2014 12:39:36 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: No.

[7/2/2014 12:39:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: It;s your constant bickering over how to run the moons.

[7/2/2014 12:40:01 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Oh i spent the isk?

[7/2/2014 12:40:39 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Ig was resposible enough to still have all there goo. and they have done as much as the rest of us

[7/2/2014 12:41:08 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: If you'd made a decision and stopped fighting everything Pavo was trying to do for moons you would have made your income the second you made a decision.

[7/2/2014 12:41:18 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You didn;t because you guys would rather fight then agree to something

[7/2/2014 12:41:36 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so you snooz you lose?

[7/2/2014 12:41:52 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Where are you getting this from?

[7/2/2014 12:42:07 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I stated that when the alliance decides what we're doing I'll turn them over to the alliance.

[7/2/2014 12:42:20 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I expected this to be done by May.

[7/2/2014 12:42:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Instead you spent 2 months fighting over it like Children

[7/2/2014 12:42:55 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): No we made a dicision

[7/2/2014 12:42:58 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Im just trying to get this straight... 3 months of moon gop from 64's and 32 gone because pavo didnt claim it fast enough?

[7/2/2014 12:44:23 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Hahahahahahahahaha

[7/2/2014 12:44:30 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): And now pavo wants us to trust no-m with running the current program?

[7/2/2014 12:45:13 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Ahh I see.

[7/2/2014 12:45:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The goo didn't disappear.

[7/2/2014 12:45:25 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): oh

[7/2/2014 12:45:32 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so you still have it?

[7/2/2014 12:45:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: it's in Corp assets and wallets. Please you really need to try harder to make me look bad.

[7/2/2014 12:45:49 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I told you from the get go, let me know when the alliance needs the isk.

[7/2/2014 12:45:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE that is/.

[7/2/2014 12:45:59 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): well we need it

[7/2/2014 12:46:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Cool.

[7/2/2014 12:46:19 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Then the 3b or so in my towers still and all subsequent income goes to you.

[7/2/2014 12:46:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Isn't that easy?

[7/2/2014 12:46:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Not a 50/50 split

[7/2/2014 12:46:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: the entire load.

[7/2/2014 12:46:34 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: As I agreed to at the beginning of this.

[7/2/2014 12:46:44 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): 50/50 is fine

[7/2/2014 12:46:45 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yet you're still trying to make me seem greedy xD

[7/2/2014 12:47:11 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Im just confused.

[7/2/2014 12:48:08 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): first time i asked pavo he said none second time he said he didnt know. darth couldnt transfer a systenm last week because No-m didnt have enough to pay the bill

[7/2/2014 12:48:20 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): see the concern

[7/2/2014 12:48:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You've been accusing me of shit this entire time, indirectly insulting myself and my corp, and calling me a theif.

[7/2/2014 12:48:30 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: o.O

[7/2/2014 12:48:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We definitely have isk in the wallet for it.

[7/2/2014 12:48:50 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: It's not in the master wallet, it's in the corp savings division

[7/2/2014 12:49:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Which Darth has access too.

[7/2/2014 12:50:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So as for that, I have no fucking clue why. Maybe he was just being lazy and throwing you an excuse.

[7/2/2014 12:50:20 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You have no reason to doubt me and accuse me of being a thief and yet you did.

[7/2/2014 12:50:58 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Well everytime i asked no one had a answer

[7/2/2014 12:51:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Pavo should have, but maybe he didnt wanna tell you because you and your little groupies are such fucking hostile trolls that noone wants to deal with you

[7/2/2014 12:51:52 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): lol

[7/2/2014 12:52:18 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): caleb is the only hostile one now days

[7/2/2014 12:52:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You just kicked a corp with 48 hours notice.

[7/2/2014 12:52:42 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: First warning you kicked them.

[7/2/2014 12:52:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: That's heresay of course, but from your words early that's how it seems

[7/2/2014 12:53:24 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): thats the case but pavo would have done it to

[7/2/2014 12:54:04 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): they where complete trolls who refused to do any fleets

[7/2/2014 12:54:16 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Then talk to them. Give them their options.

[7/2/2014 12:54:16 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but yet had time to rat all day

[7/2/2014 12:54:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Almost guaranteed you'll see improvements.

[7/2/2014 12:54:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Just like these miners you would rather just harass.

[7/2/2014 12:55:04 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): there are improving

[7/2/2014 12:55:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The same miners that from what I've seen make up 50%+ of the home defense fleets easy.

[7/2/2014 12:55:10 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): i talked to them

[7/2/2014 12:55:14 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Hah.

[7/2/2014 12:55:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They would have left had I not sent that damn message.

[7/2/2014 12:55:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I talked them down.

[7/2/2014 12:55:34 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Because they respect me, like they should leadership.

[7/2/2014 12:55:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They don't respect most of you.

[7/2/2014 12:55:46 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: because you don't know how to garner respect.

[7/2/2014 12:56:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I come back to find 3 corps pulling assets out ready to leave and another 2 on the wings.

[7/2/2014 12:57:19 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And all you guys were doing is "Trolling to improve morale" It doesn't work that way mate. I told them the night before last I had a fleet and I needed as many canes as possible. I got 45 canes contracted to me within 8 hours. Another 20-30 on market.

[7/2/2014 12:57:32 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Seems like our Indy guys are pretty good from where I stand.

[7/2/2014 12:58:34 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so basicly you wherent here for all the cryig and whining and not doing anything to contribute and demanding we sit and protect them while they mine.

[7/2/2014 12:58:49 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but you got to comeback and be the white knight

[7/2/2014 12:59:02 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): give yourself a pat on the back

[7/2/2014 12:59:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I will, and I have. I put up with all that shit when I was upgrading all their systems.

[7/2/2014 12:59:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They just wanted proper standing fleets and home defense fleets.

[7/2/2014 12:59:45 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Which is reasonable.

[7/2/2014 12:59:46 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): and then charge us norm prices for the stuff they build

[7/2/2014 1:00:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I'd charge you and caleb cost + 25% just for being dicks.

[7/2/2014 1:00:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But that's just me personally.

[7/2/2014 1:01:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Point blank, you guys can say and do what you want. If you'd like I can stand down in leadership take down my towers and let you guys deal with how that's going to be sorted. But if that happens and you guys make asses of yourself and randomly kick people and shit, I get to tell you I told you so.

[7/2/2014 1:02:52 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: People dont play this game to get shit on by the elitest pricks that think they're leadership. They play the game to have fun.

[7/2/2014 1:03:01 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): lol since i have been in cdiat i have only kicked one corp. infact i faught to keep your corp back in imensia

[7/2/2014 1:03:13 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): those guys did not deserve a warning

[7/2/2014 1:03:27 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): even pavo was ready to log on and kick them

[7/2/2014 1:03:44 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Of course he was, because you guys probably bitched to him till he wanted to do it.

[7/2/2014 1:03:51 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): so dont give me that random shit

[7/2/2014 1:03:53 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You guys make Pavo's just 10x harder then it is.

[7/2/2014 1:03:55 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Patts hells on his white armor

[7/2/2014 1:03:56 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: *job

[7/2/2014 1:04:02 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): On his back

[7/2/2014 1:04:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: lol Caleb, you might wanna stay outta this little buddy.

[7/2/2014 1:04:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You're way too easy to wind up.

[7/2/2014 1:04:54 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): He comes wound up

[7/2/2014 1:04:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I'm gonna step out before this becomes a pissing match.

[7/2/2014 1:04:58 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Lel

[7/2/2014 1:05:02 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): no winding needed

[7/2/2014 1:05:11 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): See this is what you do

[7/2/2014 1:05:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I was fine chatting till you came back and started trying to provoke me.

[7/2/2014 1:06:09 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): That whole chat was useless because if anyone had a clue it would have never happened

[7/2/2014 1:06:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: If you provoke me, I remove myself from the equation so I don't hurt your feelings like I did the other day. For the record Caleb that mail wasn't aimed at you. It was aimed at Capt and several others that I saw talking shit. I must have missed your post to be clear.

[7/2/2014 1:06:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You responded to me and I was like Oh... i guess he was involved

[7/2/2014 1:06:41 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): The mining corps didnt do shit till they got pressured

[7/2/2014 1:06:53 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): But bitch

[7/2/2014 1:07:09 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Now they started doing shit

[7/2/2014 1:07:18 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): So I'm not bitching

[7/2/2014 1:11:02 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I'm bitching about retarded moon deals, and sketchy goo shit

[7/2/2014 1:11:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They just needed to have it explained exactly what was needed from them. Literally every time I ask for anything from them, be it IG, MYOB, SHIME, or the other miners it gets done right away. So I have no idea why you have such a proble :P

[7/2/2014 1:12:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And the moon goo is above your pay grade, just sit this one out.

[7/2/2014 1:12:15 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Lel

[7/2/2014 1:14:56 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): they did know what we needed because they even told me that ther bpo had a couple more days left then a few weeks later still nothing

[7/2/2014 1:16:44 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): myob had been on several times before joining and discussed it.

[7/2/2014 1:19:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Regardless the things being said were inappropriate and unacceptable. If you have problems discuss them, if they dont make changes say, we need this or we'll be forced to review your position in the alliance. But be respectful at all times. You're leadership, people look up to you, act like it.

[7/2/2014 1:32:51 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: At any rate, I have to start my shift on baby duty. Cheers gents.

[7/2/2014 1:48:24 PM] Silver Armer: WOW.... that was alot to read.

[7/2/2014 1:49:00 PM] Silver Armer: atleast we all still taking to each other..

[7/2/2014 1:49:15 PM] Aaron Brewster: Lol

[7/2/2014 1:49:36 PM] Aaron Brewster: Yeah, I can see happiness in this Alliance

[7/2/2014 1:50:04 PM] Silver Armer: well it is all about how we made decissions..

[7/2/2014 1:51:01 PM] Silver Armer: We do it in a impulse, something one or two guys make a plan.. and make a decission that is fall in good terms with teh rest of the leadership

[7/2/2014 1:51:10 PM] Silver Armer: and then we bitchfight over it

[7/2/2014 1:53:31 PM] Silver Armer: This how discussion began al wrong. the plan and decission was already there before the rest of the group heard it..

[7/2/2014 1:53:52 PM] Silver Armer: and when you don't like it .. the reaction you get that you need to deal with it

[7/2/2014 1:58:41 PM] Silver Armer: this doesn't falls good with everybody within this group.. Aura, we know how he can be, Hellz somebody with a strong appion, me the guy that what every desiccion to be made with the group, Cpt how rather be CEo of this allaince so he can do his stuff easier, Theren'st a day that iam not High Caleb, and Pavo the one that was fucked because we appointed him to this CEO position.

[7/2/2014 1:59:33 PM] Silver Armer: The way is see it' We need to discus the option we have to make our Allaince wallet green and healty

[7/2/2014 1:59:58 PM] Silver Armer: sorry options instead of option

[7/2/2014 2:01:02 PM] Aaron Brewster: If people want a method to run the moons they need to make a business plan and present it. Simple. If it is good and fair, people will agree with it

[7/2/2014 2:01:08 PM] Aaron Brewster: I am down for Alliance money

[7/2/2014 2:01:15 PM] Aaron Brewster: But Corps also have to make money

[7/2/2014 2:01:32 PM] Aaron Brewster: I want to do Zealot fleets FYI

[7/2/2014 2:02:44 PM] Silver Armer: We 2... IG doesn't want to be rich.. If anybody need we can hand over al the API so people can see were all the moongoo is and where the isk going to

[7/2/2014 2:03:04 PM] Aaron Brewster: My Corp has 1.3b

[7/2/2014 2:03:12 PM] Silver Armer: We only want a steady income so we can support the newbro's with free Ships and skillbooks

[7/2/2014 2:05:19 PM] Silver Armer: we have at this pouint 3,6 bil in the wallet and still 14,7 corp debt and all tower are full with fuel stront and moongo. and about 15-17 bil in moon go, and enough fuelblock in stock for the next month

[7/2/2014 2:06:43 PM] Silver Armer: all the isk we get from the moongo we use to buy new stuff for the towers and set up a big fuel production. that alone was about 10 bil

[7/2/2014 2:06:58 PM] Silver Armer: we always saidf we going to give most to the allaince

[7/2/2014 2:11:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Now that my daughter randomly fell asleep, No-Mercy makes money from it's members. My members continually just donate isk to the wallet. We dont need income hence me hsving no problem giving everything after operating costs to the alliance. Which is why these accusations were such a slap in the face lol. Corp income shouldnt be from 64's and 32's really.

[7/2/2014 2:11:33 PM] Aaron Brewster: I agree

[7/2/2014 2:11:41 PM] Silver Armer: we agree with that

[7/2/2014 2:11:59 PM] Silver Armer: the issue isn't with teh r64 and r32 moons

[7/2/2014 2:12:20 PM] Silver Armer: we alway had a agreement that does belong to the allaince

[7/2/2014 2:12:34 PM] Silver Armer: does = those

[7/2/2014 2:12:36 PM] Aaron Brewster: But does the Alliance have an exact (and I mean exact) price of how much money comes out of every HONOR held R16, R32 and R64? Weekly/Monthly?

[7/2/2014 2:13:38 PM] Silver Armer: yes.. we have 2 speadsheet that will give a netto number of income

[7/2/2014 2:13:47 PM] Silver Armer: darth has one and cpt has one

[7/2/2014 2:13:50 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We have a list with the price allocation for each hero alliance

[7/2/2014 2:14:07 PM] Silver Armer: that is how we split catch up

[7/2/2014 2:14:14 PM] Silver Armer: mmon wise

[7/2/2014 2:14:17 PM] Aaron Brewster: Awesome

[7/2/2014 2:14:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But thats why I was supportive of darths plan.

[7/2/2014 2:15:07 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Minimal cost to the alliance and 45 per moon and some systems have like 14 moons

[7/2/2014 2:15:36 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So a decent chunk while allowing alliance to maintain a solid income.

[7/2/2014 2:16:13 PM] Silver Armer: hellz don't get me wrong , we all want teh allaince to have a strong filled wallet

[7/2/2014 2:16:25 PM] Silver Armer: we don't have a issue there

[7/2/2014 2:16:53 PM] Silver Armer: we have a isse with the only one option that created to support the allaince wallet

[7/2/2014 2:17:09 PM] Silver Armer: and that option is very negative for our point of vieuw

[7/2/2014 2:17:54 PM] Silver Armer: if we had made a choose to go for the poco instead of the posees we had a steady heathy income that wasn;;t claimed by the allaince

[7/2/2014 2:17:55 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The alliance needs multiple forms of income, agree'd.

[7/2/2014 2:18:13 PM] Silver Armer: hellz i know we can work this out

[7/2/2014 2:19:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Consider me out of the equation really. Not to be rude but I don't quite care about the moons after the accusations made this morning. I've busted my ass just to be labeled a thief. Pavo should just make a decision and thats that.

[7/2/2014 2:19:48 PM] Silver Armer: nobody in IG is making isk of this towers.. everybody is doing this for free

[7/2/2014 2:20:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well with Darths plan the people fueling the towers make the most isk for the least work.

[7/2/2014 2:21:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Since he spliy our space into sectors each corp gets asector, so they dont have to travel much to fuel.

[7/2/2014 2:21:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Allowing it to be minimum effort

[7/2/2014 2:21:54 PM] Silver Armer: i know his plan.. i know the be benifits

[7/2/2014 2:22:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Some systems have over 10 moons so thats over 450m for just warping around a system for an hour or two a month lol

[7/2/2014 2:22:45 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: His is to provide for the individuals though, not the corps

[7/2/2014 2:23:12 PM] Silver Armer: i know.. the plan isn't set up wrong.. that isn't the issue

[7/2/2014 2:24:12 PM] Silver Armer: the issue and that is what we change the aggrement we had when we begin this thing..

[7/2/2014 2:24:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But it basically keeps those moons from being considered corp income, unless said corp decides to personally run their moons, in which case the corp would make probably a bil or such a month

[7/2/2014 2:24:52 PM] Silver Armer: We asked for weeks and weeks if that was still teh plain and the aggrement.. and everybody in leadership said yes..

[7/2/2014 2:25:03 PM] Silver Armer: so we invested even more isk and time into it

[7/2/2014 2:25:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well that's the same reason why I'm pissed off about being labeled a thief when I even took it on myself to cover alliance bills because they hadn't finalized an agreement.

[7/2/2014 2:25:45 PM] Silver Armer: We took some much towers down and defneded that shit so long with only a hand full of people..

[7/2/2014 2:26:10 PM] Silver Armer: I never label you or anybody within this allaince a thieff

[7/2/2014 2:26:18 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The decision should have been made 3 months ago.

[7/2/2014 2:26:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yet it's the corps running the moons fault it wasn't done.

[7/2/2014 2:26:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Not the leadership.

[7/2/2014 2:26:43 PM] Silver Armer: and we all know who within this allaince was here from teh beginning and who basted there balls of to get this thing done

[7/2/2014 2:26:44 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Basically it comes down to your fault and my fault from their point of view.

[7/2/2014 2:26:48 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And that's fucked up.

[7/2/2014 2:28:48 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yeah well some of our leadership has forgotten the beginning of this war because they stayed in Sendaya for a large portion. I got what I wanted out of it, I came I saw I kicked ass and had a ton of fun.

[7/2/2014 2:29:00 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Now if I get kicked from alliance tomorrow, I can take it with a smile.

[7/2/2014 2:30:41 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Basically though for the health of the alliance I can't think of a better way then Darths plan. I fought with him for weeks because I hated giving up full income pretty much for the corp. I liked having the isk flow.

[7/2/2014 2:31:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But it's literally the only thing I can think of that would work with minimal chance of exploitation and maximum income for the alliance

[7/2/2014 2:33:39 PM] Silver Armer: i understand aswell.. but i need also support the 300 newbros we have.

[7/2/2014 2:34:11 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 10% ratting tax mayhaps?

[7/2/2014 2:34:14 PM] Aaron Brewster: FYI there is a fleet going up to retake sov

[7/2/2014 2:34:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yeah I'm chatting with Akamas and Pavo about it

[7/2/2014 2:34:24 PM] Silver Armer: we lost sov?

[7/2/2014 2:34:31 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Silver think your guys can go support them

[7/2/2014 2:34:33 PM] Silver Armer: i am going online

[7/2/2014 2:34:42 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yeah Unthinkables took one of I think Braves systems

[7/2/2014 2:34:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Said they wanted to give a show of strength

[7/2/2014 2:35:00 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So we're going to give them one right back

[7/2/2014 2:35:06 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Optimally we want max participation

[7/2/2014 2:35:15 PM] Silver Armer: let me get online

[7/2/2014 2:35:25 PM] Silver Armer: go get some IG numbers

[7/2/2014 2:54:04 PM] Telios Madronin: Why are we kicking you Hellz?

[7/2/2014 3:03:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Noone's kicking me, but if I resign it'll be over the accusations that myself and my corp are thieves made by the second in command of the alliance. But right now more important is us taking this system back from Unthinkables. That's the priority right now, not the drama in this skype.

[7/3/2014 5:55:17 AM] Aura Ikku: I see a lot of words, but nothing that has convinced me that anything has changed

[7/3/2014 2:03:46 PM] Aura Ikku: a solution is needed that does not penalise IG because of poor executor management

[7/3/2014 2:04:07 PM] Aura Ikku: Pava, telling me you did not know what moons where going to be ours is utter bullshit

[7/3/2014 2:04:48 PM] Aura Ikku: I was asking when the systems we were to own were clearly defined

[7/3/2014 2:19:57 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Why are the new corps even getting moons?

[7/3/2014 2:20:19 PM | Edited 2:20:35 PM] Aura Ikku: this will end with SS hiting SS moons

[7/3/2014 2:20:46 PM] Aura Ikku: when that happens this alliance will collapse

[7/3/2014 2:21:09 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): No it wont

[7/3/2014 2:21:18 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): My FC's won't do that

[7/3/2014 2:21:25 PM] Aura Ikku: darth and pavo seem to have decided this path already

[7/3/2014 2:21:39 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Than no m gets kicked

[7/3/2014 2:21:59 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Done

[7/3/2014 2:22:25 PM] Aura Ikku: I don't wish for that

[7/3/2014 2:22:37 PM] Aura Ikku: but I do feel proper fucked up the ass

[7/3/2014 2:22:52 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Noone does but if ss towers get hit its over

[7/3/2014 2:22:59 PM] Aura Ikku: like silver said, had we known this woudl happen we would have made pocos instead

[7/3/2014 2:23:31 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well I would just stick with the real plan

[7/3/2014 2:23:39 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Not the new bullshit

[7/3/2014 2:23:41 PM] Aura Ikku: the fact that pavo admits he never even went through the figures, whilst promising that r16s were for corp, proves a point

[7/3/2014 2:24:05 PM] Aura Ikku: its a matter of principal now

[7/3/2014 2:24:09 PM] Aura Ikku: not isk

[7/3/2014 2:24:14 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well I though we needed the 16 that starts with a c for a reaction

[7/3/2014 2:24:36 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): But other than that I don't see why we give a shit

[7/3/2014 2:25:03 PM] Aura Ikku: I don't at all like Darth's approach to this

[7/3/2014 2:25:20 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Noone but a few do

[7/3/2014 2:25:34 PM] Aura Ikku: telling us, tough shit, is no way to treat a corp that contributes

[7/3/2014 2:26:09 PM] Aura Ikku: I miss triget's leadership, back in TRIBE

[7/3/2014 2:26:16 PM] Aura Ikku: that guy knew what he was doing

[7/3/2014 2:26:28 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Lol, I miss capt

[7/3/2014 2:26:49 PM] Aura Ikku: yes, cpt. seems to be showing some more sense in this scenario

[7/3/2014 2:27:06 PM] Aura Ikku: we're all wantingto ensure the alliance can make ends meet

[7/3/2014 2:27:12 PM] Aura Ikku: we're all on the same team

[7/3/2014 2:27:23 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well we allready took care of this and we shouldn't even have to talk about it

[7/3/2014 2:28:11 PM] Aura Ikku: I mean, is it me?

[7/3/2014 2:28:21 PM] Aura Ikku: I never see pavo post anything in the forums

[7/3/2014 2:28:28 PM] Aura Ikku: I have double the number of posts

[7/3/2014 2:28:40 PM] Aura Ikku: we all discussed how things need to be on the forums

[7/3/2014 2:28:43 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I have 600 and something

[7/3/2014 2:29:09 PM] Aura Ikku: chatting in late US TZ on TS does not = proper leadership/keeping people informed

[7/3/2014 2:29:33 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): It's not even talked about on ts

[7/3/2014 2:42:48 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): It's hellz and darth in the eagles nest

[7/3/2014 2:44:34 PM] Aura Ikku: we must not allow this to escalate, but I will not allow IG towers to be seiged

[7/3/2014 2:45:14 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): They wont

[7/3/2014 2:45:57 PM] Aura Ikku: well, I trust you won't support such a move, but I do beleive darth would be so bold

[7/3/2014 2:46:22 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Once

[7/3/2014 2:46:40 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): He would be bold once

[7/3/2014 2:47:14 PM] Aura Ikku: we simply need to come up with something to make everyone happy

[7/3/2014 2:47:24 PM] Aura Ikku: I don't want to upset no-mercy

[7/3/2014 2:47:44 PM] Aura Ikku: but I do feel like I just dropped the soap in a prison shower

[7/3/2014 2:47:58 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well if they are the only ones who don't like the old plan I say we we tell them tough shit

[7/3/2014 3:07:44 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I'm pretty shure this is all happening because brave does it this way

[7/3/2014 3:08:04 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): So lets regress

[7/3/2014 3:29:45 PM] Aura Ikku: this channel is not all bad news

[7/3/2014 3:30:02 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well the crazies aren't here

[7/3/2014 3:30:04 PM] Aura Ikku: its why we're still together

[7/3/2014 3:30:37 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): This channel is a stomach.... its good till its shit then its shit everywhere

[7/3/2014 3:30:48 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): We are all cool there is allways just like 1 or 2 cunts

[7/3/2014 3:30:59 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Who piss everyone off

[7/3/2014 3:31:07 PM] Aura Ikku: well today all the shit was on the forums

[7/3/2014 3:31:08 PM] Aura Ikku: lol

[7/3/2014 3:31:11 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): well i did that this week

[7/3/2014 3:31:29 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Nope

[7/3/2014 3:31:30 PM] Aura Ikku: and someone locked the topic :(

[7/3/2014 3:31:35 PM] Aura Ikku: I so had more to say

[7/3/2014 3:31:41 PM] Aura Ikku: haha

[7/3/2014 3:31:43 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Ill unlock it

[7/3/2014 3:31:46 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): new thread lol

[7/3/2014 3:32:11 PM] Aura Ikku: it did just turn into darth and I shouting at each other

[7/3/2014 3:32:13 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): im intrigued now

[7/3/2014 3:33:18 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Darth is retarded

[7/3/2014 3:33:50 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): he's alright sometimes

[7/3/2014 3:34:01 PM] Aura Ikku: well, he's got good and bad points

[7/3/2014 3:34:22 PM] Aura Ikku: I don't want to answer to him

[7/3/2014 3:34:28 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): This plan is retarded, and they made Pavo think it was some affront to his leadership to not act on some shit plan, polarizing this issue to the point where I have to make shure my FC's won't shoot blue towers

[7/3/2014 3:34:35 PM] Aura Ikku: that will be a disaster waitiing to happen

[7/3/2014 3:34:46 PM] Aura Ikku: pavo, take note of that comment

[7/3/2014 3:35:47 PM] Aura Ikku: wow, if that happens, yikes!

[7/3/2014 3:36:09 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): It would not come to that.

[7/3/2014 3:36:20 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Kick no-m

[7/3/2014 3:36:27 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 2014

[7/3/2014 3:36:41 PM] Aura Ikku: lets not be rash

[7/3/2014 3:36:53 PM] Aura Ikku: no-mercy are core to our success

[7/3/2014 3:36:55 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Raindeer games bitch

[7/3/2014 3:37:03 PM] Aura Ikku: so is concordiat and IG

[7/3/2014 3:37:10 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I like raindeer

[7/3/2014 3:37:29 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): with bells

[7/3/2014 3:37:57 PM] Aura Ikku: what puzzles me is that pavo simply went off on his own and decideda load of shit that was going to cause trouble

[7/3/2014 3:38:02 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): I wish we could strap bells on some of the people in the alliance so we could tell where they where

[7/3/2014 3:38:02 PM] Aura Ikku: without thinking ahead

[7/3/2014 3:38:20 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): So I could stay far away

[7/3/2014 3:38:31 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): like xeron that sneaky bastard

[7/3/2014 3:38:33 PM] Aura Ikku: you're online pavo, please contribute!

[7/3/2014 3:38:53 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Least of all xeron

[7/3/2014 3:39:12 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): I'm a ninja, bitch

[7/3/2014 3:39:16 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Don't invite the punch drinkers

[7/3/2014 3:39:17 PM] Aura Ikku: did you decide not to talk to IG because we might make an argument?

[7/3/2014 3:39:17 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): don't hamper me

[7/3/2014 3:39:38 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): They are busy in the eagles nest

[7/3/2014 3:39:54 PM] Aura Ikku: whats the eagles nest?

[7/3/2014 3:40:06 PM] Aura Ikku: apart from a WW2 film

[7/3/2014 3:40:28 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Kehlsteinhaus

[7/3/2014 3:41:22 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehlsteinhaus

[7/3/2014 3:45:18 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Yep

[7/3/2014 4:59:03 PM] Njord Han: I have been quietly reading and it amazes me that no one has figured it out yet. So I will be quiet for a while longer. However, As the Alliance Logistics director I put together 3 different scenarios on Moon distribution and Alliance income. It is a shame that everytime I tried to get Pavo to spend some time to go over the Moon stuff he blew me off. However he didnt have a problem having a non Alliance leadership person do it.

[7/3/2014 5:05:27 PM] Aura Ikku: well Njord, I'm told this is your bag

[7/3/2014 5:05:47 PM] Aura Ikku: please do tell us your thoughts

[7/3/2014 5:06:47 PM] Aaron Brewster: why cant we akk be friends

[7/3/2014 5:06:59 PM] Aaron Brewster: If this alls tarted ocver moons

[7/3/2014 5:07:28 PM] Aaron Brewster: we cllearlty need to have a ddiscussion at somne point zbout how thye are ran

[7/3/2014 5:07:32 PM] Aaron Brewster: ps zealot fleetd

[7/3/2014 5:07:43 PM] Aaron Brewster: thta was a lot to read

[7/3/2014 5:07:44 PM] Aura Ikku: this only started once darth came into the picture

[7/3/2014 6:54:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Aura you're full of shit. We're not hitting SS moons, and if you kick No-M then this alliance is in alot of trouble. Not because we'd do anything, just that it's a really stupid move. Right now you guys are forcing pavo out of leadership and being general dicks to make it happen.

Aura, don't forget who wanted you kicked not too long ago and who wouldn't stand for that shit happening. We've always had your back. The original deal was 75% but we hadn't agreed on who gets what moons, as stated before I don't give a shit about the moons lol We never decided an optimal way to ensure no corps get fucked, and we havent decided a way to ensure other people get in to the moon deal as well.

And Caleb you say you like Aura, but just a short month or so ago you were most vocal for removing him. You also called him cancer said he was the worst player you'd seen. I mean you didn't seem to like him all that much.

And none of our guys would siege on another tower, that's just fear mongering. The plan isn't retarded really, it leaves the maximum isk for the alliance while ensuring that the people running the towers are individually well compensated. And quit laying this on Pavo's feet. Every single situation has been thrown at his feet, and he

[7/3/2014 6:55:08 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: s the fucking Alliance exec. He can decide what he wants to.

[7/3/2014 6:56:51 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But, he should do it getting the opinions from everyone. I've seen multiple posts here about what you think. I've seen him respond to them, how can you even possibly say that he never listened to your opinion o.o. He clearly responded to them in this chat? He clearly made comments in response. He asked Darth to help him come up with a plan that would work, and that's what Darth did.

[7/3/2014 7:00:59 PM] Aura Ikku: surely you read my comments on no-mercy?

[7/3/2014 7:01:02 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But yeah talk about kicking us, call us punch drinkers because we aren't part of the Cdiat social club. Aura they're gonna just turn on you like they do every time. And if it goes down as they want, I wont be here to help. I won't be here to do the things that need done, we busted our ass for Catch, and we did so with a happy heart because we enjoyed getting shit done.

You didn't see Cdiat out there busting their asses till it was halfway done, and even then it was usually under our leadership, on our fleets. So I have a right to be confident even to the point of arrogance, you can kick me if you want. Lie to people, call us scum, they won't believe you. The alliance knows what No-Mercy has done for it, the members know. You guys make up less then 1% of our member base remember that.

If you decide to kick us, there are multiple places we can go where we will be respected members of the community, Sec took me in when we had nowhere else to go, for that if we were kicked I would attempt to make any exit by me as quick and painless as possible. but we'd still be in Catch.

[7/3/2014 7:01:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I read your comments, but I've also read the comments from others that dislike you, lying to you, blowing smoke up your ass and making out to be your best friend because they know IG

[7/3/2014 7:01:59 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: + No-Mercy is more then they can take.

[7/3/2014 7:02:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: They're trying to make Pavo quit, I know it, he knows it, they know it, and we're all dancing around it playing games. Lets just put it on the table.

[7/3/2014 7:04:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And before you respond Captain, Caleb has been calling Pavo retarded in this chat multiple times over multiple days and not once have you stepped in to pull him into line.

[7/3/2014 7:04:21 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): its funny how much shit you talk about how no-mercy was doing all the work for the first couple monthsbut what about the 6 months before that when you hardley did a damn thing...

[7/3/2014 7:04:44 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you guys have had 3 good months and now your the shit

[7/3/2014 7:04:57 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you can get the fuck out of here with that

[7/3/2014 7:05:47 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): http://pad2.whstatic.com/images/thumb/8/8d/Do-a-Used-Tampon-Prank-Step-4.jpg/670px-Do-a-Used-Tampon-Prank-Step-4.jpg

[7/3/2014 7:05:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We didn't have much to do before that, remember fountain? We were plenty active there. As soon as shit really needs done, we come back and get it done. If everything is well in hand then we hibernate and just relax.

[7/3/2014 7:06:11 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You guys had everything in hand in AFO, you didn't need me, nor my guys.

[7/3/2014 7:06:35 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But everytime you did, we came back and made it worth your while, didnt we.

[7/3/2014 7:06:40 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but you keep claiming we didnt do shit

[7/3/2014 7:06:42 PM] Aura Ikku: guys

[7/3/2014 7:06:50 PM] Aura Ikku: chill

[7/3/2014 7:06:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I'm claiming at the beginning of the Catch campaign you didn't.

[7/3/2014 7:06:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And you didn't.

[7/3/2014 7:07:01 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Numbers don't lie.

[7/3/2014 7:07:23 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): cause we where burnt out

[7/3/2014 7:07:35 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Then that's fair enough.

[7/3/2014 7:07:43 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): while everyone else was chillin we where getting shit done

[7/3/2014 7:07:46 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But right now you guys have been insulting and harassing Pavo long enough.

[7/3/2014 7:07:56 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): no mostly you

[7/3/2014 7:08:06 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): thats because he hardly helps

[7/3/2014 7:08:38 PM] Aura Ikku: pavo is not doing the job, I would have to agree

[7/3/2014 7:09:51 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): we all proped him up, now he is dick swinging. somone get siccors

[7/3/2014 7:10:47 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): then im left dealing with shitty situations like the indy guys and that asshole corp who buy the way only got 48hrs because they threatend to shoot people for telling them to get in fleet. on top of there trolling non stop all day.

[7/3/2014 7:11:14 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): THEN YOU COME IN WITH NO CLUE ACTING LIKE THE WHITE KNOGHT

[7/3/2014 7:11:18 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): knight

[7/3/2014 7:11:22 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): sorry hit caps

[7/3/2014 7:12:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Oh noes. You called me a white knight when I was the only one sticking up for Aura and IG, and you call me it now. If you're treating people like shit I'm going to step in.

[7/3/2014 7:12:27 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): we where not even bashing ig

[7/3/2014 7:12:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And Pavo's not doing the job because every single goddamn time he wants to do something he has to fight you guys on it.

[7/3/2014 7:12:39 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): bull shit

[7/3/2014 7:12:40 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): no when he does retarded shit

[7/3/2014 7:12:50 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): we cant help that that is most of the time

[7/3/2014 7:13:08 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well Capt you said you didnt do it and Caleb said you did it most of the time. which is it?

[7/3/2014 7:13:51 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): until this flat rate shit there has been no arguing

[7/3/2014 7:14:07 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): infact it has been kinda nice

[7/3/2014 7:14:16 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): and the only time i care is when its retarded shit

[7/3/2014 7:14:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We all know whats going on, quit playing stupid. Cpt, you mentioned removing Pavo when you were trying to become 2nd in command.

[7/3/2014 7:14:31 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): if need be

[7/3/2014 7:14:56 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: From day 1 you have wanted control of this alliance. This is common knowledge.

[7/3/2014 7:15:02 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): lel

[7/3/2014 7:15:06 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): he had it tard

[7/3/2014 7:15:29 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): honestly that is the opposite i have really been considering stepping down so i can just play eve

[7/3/2014 7:16:28 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): and you guys take for granted how much i actualy do

[7/3/2014 7:16:40 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And you take for granted how much he actually does.

[7/3/2014 7:16:46 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): what

[7/3/2014 7:17:09 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): lol i wouldnt be doing all this if he did

[7/3/2014 7:17:12 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Pavo busts his ass listens to all of your whining and crying nonstop, he helps stock the market, he's there for the diplo incidents, the leadership chats.

[7/3/2014 7:17:24 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): most of what i deal with is xo stuff

[7/3/2014 7:17:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And yes you would, you just realized how much isk this areas worth.

[7/3/2014 7:17:25 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): he dosent stock the market

[7/3/2014 7:17:33 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: O.o Yeah he does.

[7/3/2014 7:17:42 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): pavo des

[7/3/2014 7:17:47 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): he has always

[7/3/2014 7:17:52 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: ^^

[7/3/2014 7:19:47 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): he bitches when i ask for shit

[7/3/2014 7:20:00 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: He may complain a bit, but he does it doesn't he?

[7/3/2014 7:20:07 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Kinda how you always bitch about everything

[7/3/2014 7:20:19 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): fuck off

[7/3/2014 7:20:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Course, he never quits a fleet mid way because he got headshot twice in a row.

[7/3/2014 7:20:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: ;D

[7/3/2014 7:20:43 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): he never leads fleets

[7/3/2014 7:20:51 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 1 dosent constitute shit

[7/3/2014 7:20:57 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 2 dosent

[7/3/2014 7:21:10 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 5 dont

[7/3/2014 7:21:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Interesting. Pavo = never Fc's. That's a new one.

[7/3/2014 7:21:20 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): very seldom

[7/3/2014 7:21:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Wait so 5 fleets doesn't constitute leading fleets.

[7/3/2014 7:21:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well what is it, Never or seldom.

[7/3/2014 7:21:33 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): still more than me so i cant say shit

[7/3/2014 7:21:37 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Make up your damn minds.

[7/3/2014 7:21:41 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 5 fleets spaced over the entirity of your time here

[7/3/2014 7:22:02 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So it's seldom then? And not never.

[7/3/2014 7:22:12 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): your shitfit roams to litom dont count

[7/3/2014 7:22:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: shitfit.

[7/3/2014 7:22:36 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Says the guy who's fcing accomplishment is "Mini pete's"

[7/3/2014 7:22:42 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): hehehe

[7/3/2014 7:22:51 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well, who's entire eve accomplishment is Mini Pete's.

[7/3/2014 7:23:00 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): whats wrong with mini petes?

[7/3/2014 7:23:00 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): i like them

[7/3/2014 7:23:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Literally all you've done as Military director is Mini pete's.

[7/3/2014 7:23:17 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): hahaha

[7/3/2014 7:23:18 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You want to talk about a leader not doing his job.

[7/3/2014 7:23:38 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): well i have it, you dont. must be doing somthing right

[7/3/2014 7:23:48 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I don't want it or I'd have it.

[7/3/2014 7:23:50 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): jelly?

[7/3/2014 7:23:57 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): lel

[7/3/2014 7:24:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I've led more fleets then all three of you combined, I wanted a non focused leadership role.

[7/3/2014 7:24:21 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And that's what I got, close enough to the top to matter, far enough away to bypass the shit.

[7/3/2014 7:24:22 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): shitfit roams to litom dont count

[7/3/2014 7:24:31 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): that knocks down the number

[7/3/2014 7:24:53 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I dont claim to be a fc so dont count me

[7/3/2014 7:24:59 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): if only i could one day achive what you have

[7/3/2014 7:25:16 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I've ran provi fleets, ran all of our pos ops for the most part that involved caps, I did the vast majority of our cap ops.

[7/3/2014 7:25:22 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Did all the early sov fleets.

[7/3/2014 7:25:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yeah I got plenty in my resume.

[7/3/2014 7:25:36 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): i could attain your level of gold shitting godlike purity

[7/3/2014 7:25:53 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but thats just catch

[7/3/2014 7:25:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: It is indeed pretty amazing I must admit.

[7/3/2014 7:26:05 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): caps are easy

[7/3/2014 7:26:11 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): slow

[7/3/2014 7:26:15 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): boring

[7/3/2014 7:26:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: One sec got a phone call.

[7/3/2014 7:32:48 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111116692/3148788-1506178378-PR-th.jpg hells

[7/3/2014 7:33:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You keep trying to insult me o.o

[7/3/2014 7:34:12 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): no, more just draw similaritys

[7/3/2014 7:34:14 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: However I would look dashing in a white suit, you got that right.

[7/3/2014 7:34:24 PM] Aura Ikku: please take it easy

[7/3/2014 7:35:00 PM] Aura Ikku: i don't like where this discussion is going

[7/3/2014 7:35:17 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): GO GO power rangerrrrrr

[7/3/2014 7:36:36 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): WALL OF TEXT INBOUND

[7/3/2014 7:36:38 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Aura, this discussion isn't going anywhere, Caleb and Capt have already made up their minds about whats happening. Unless you turn coat on them it's going to happen as they plan. Without IG support they can't move forward, why do you think they gave you that extra 25% income.

Think like a politician for a reason mate.

[7/3/2014 7:36:59 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): lol

[7/3/2014 7:37:09 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): omg are you serious

[7/3/2014 7:37:20 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): hellz you are great

[7/3/2014 7:37:26 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): i have to say

[7/3/2014 7:38:17 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): \o/

[7/3/2014 7:38:46 PM] Aura Ikku: as far as I'mconcerned we simply need to balance the books

[7/3/2014 7:39:03 PM | Edited 7:39:07 PM] Aura Ikku: that we can do

[7/3/2014 7:40:10 PM] Aura Ikku: but the current proposal is not only a complete backtrack, and total fuckup by pavo, its kicking IG in the balls big time

[7/3/2014 7:40:15 PM] Aura Ikku: I feel let down

[7/3/2014 7:41:23 PM] Aura Ikku: it is this particular issue that needs to be discussed

[7/3/2014 7:41:39 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: IG runs more moons and would make comparitively what 3x more income then No-m under pavo's agreement.

[7/3/2014 7:42:16 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I felt the same way at first, but I agreed to it because it would make the alliance stronger having more income.

[7/3/2014 7:42:51 PM] Aura Ikku: you know from day 1 that the moons you were goign after would only be in your hands for a short time

[7/3/2014 7:42:58 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I know.

[7/3/2014 7:42:59 PM] Aura Ikku: you specifically went for high value

[7/3/2014 7:43:03 PM] Aura Ikku: we did not

[7/3/2014 7:43:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Because of that factor yes.

[7/3/2014 7:43:08 PM] Aura Ikku: we planned ahead

[7/3/2014 7:43:12 PM] Aura Ikku: invested a lot

[7/3/2014 7:43:38 PM | Edited 7:43:52 PM] Aura Ikku: now goal posts are being moved without even a word

[7/3/2014 7:43:55 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): [01:43:26] yoyo210 > im about to send every god damn resorce i have to make your space rendered useless because i keep hearing god damn yapping about a <url=showinfo:1377//1515313420>caleb ball</url>

[7/3/2014 7:44:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Lulz.

[7/3/2014 7:44:11 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Forgot he was in my public chat xD

[7/3/2014 7:44:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Gotta love Yoyo's conflict resolution

[7/3/2014 7:45:30 PM] Njord Han: Easy fix to stop the bickering is that all moons are 100% Alliance and if you want to be in the Alliance each corp has to take car of a certain amount of moons as part of being here.

[7/3/2014 7:45:51 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I'd be good for it Njord, like I said the moons aren't meant for corp income.

[7/3/2014 7:46:01 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): [01:45:34] yoyo210 > now i dont think you understand what that would mean, i do this for a living and i will push a ransom on your alliance around 10bill/week to leave you alone

[7/3/2014 7:46:12 PM] Telios Madronin: Eve is real

[7/3/2014 7:46:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I agree the individuals should be compensated, but we deliberately didn't invest because it was a temporary assignment of resources.

[7/3/2014 7:46:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We invested as much as the alliance needed to and let IG invest in what they felt they needed to.

[7/3/2014 7:47:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Under Pavo's plan we would make significantly less then IG.

[7/3/2014 7:47:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Which is fair.

[7/3/2014 7:47:31 PM] Aura Ikku: we would not have done this without numerous assurances

[7/3/2014 7:47:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well N-8 alone the individual fueling the pos's would make over 450m a month just for that system

[7/3/2014 7:48:02 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And thats just warping pos to pos quick and easy.

[7/3/2014 7:48:13 PM] Aura Ikku: 1 example

[7/3/2014 7:48:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But the alliance income is from the moons, corp income from ratting taxes ect.

[7/3/2014 7:48:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: What are your problems with Pavo's set up?

[7/3/2014 7:48:34 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: If you don't mind me asking.

[7/3/2014 7:48:34 PM] Aura Ikku: ratting taxes?

[7/3/2014 7:48:37 PM] Aura Ikku: from newbs?

[7/3/2014 7:48:53 PM] Aura Ikku: you see unlike yourself, newbs don't have isk

[7/3/2014 7:49:16 PM] Aura Ikku: they rarely make "large donations to corp"

[7/3/2014 7:49:18 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): you see unlike yourself we have a clue on what it means to run corps like we run

[7/3/2014 7:49:40 PM] Telios Madronin: Aura, no reason to attack personally. Hellz is very generous with his isk

[7/3/2014 7:50:04 PM] Aura Ikku: it was not an attack on him, but a referenceto a comment he made the other day

[7/3/2014 7:50:13 PM] Telios Madronin: Just say newbs don't have isk

[7/3/2014 7:50:24 PM] Telios Madronin: Take the personal tone out of it

[7/3/2014 7:50:25 PM] Aura Ikku: about not needing isk because corp member donate

[7/3/2014 7:50:27 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Pretty sure my corp has less turnover rate then any corp in the alliance.

[7/3/2014 7:50:53 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And my members donate to each other more then anyone else. My corp doesn't really need much isk, ratting taxes supply just about everything we need.

[7/3/2014 7:51:05 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You have what 260 members?>

[7/3/2014 7:52:07 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Say 10% are ratting that's 26, even for low sp players they'd make more then 10 mil each ratting, and I know you have more then 26 daily ratters in your corp

[7/3/2014 7:52:30 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So 1mil from each 26m a day, 760m a month.

[7/3/2014 7:52:40 PM] Aura Ikku: corps have 10% membership online in around peak hours

[7/3/2014 7:52:50 PM] Aura Ikku: max

[7/3/2014 7:52:53 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Aye, but they dont all have to be on at the same time.

[7/3/2014 7:52:59 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Over a day it's typically much higher.

[7/3/2014 7:53:23 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Peak online numbers aren't a factor when it comes to ratting taxes unless your guys dont rat except in peak hours, which I doubt would be the case.

[7/3/2014 7:53:42 PM] Telios Madronin: So to sum up my understanding

-Some stuff happened

-Dicks were swung

-Raucous fighting in jubilation over the dick swinging

[7/3/2014 7:54:04 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Now granted, 10% high tax makes about the same for me then you due to my members making an average of 14m-25m a tick ratting

[7/3/2014 7:54:08 PM] Telios Madronin: All about a few billion isk

[7/3/2014 7:55:00 PM] Aura Ikku: you're missing the point

[7/3/2014 7:55:06 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: To sum it up, Caleb wants us kicked, Cpt didn't stand in opposition, they both want Pavo replaced and they offered 50/50 deal to IG causing Aura to stand in opposition to Pavo's plan he laid out. Even though Pavo said he's be more then willing to increase the amount.

[7/3/2014 7:55:06 PM] Aura Ikku: entirely

[7/3/2014 7:55:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Your point is you cant afford your expenses unless you use alliance income correct?

[7/3/2014 7:55:34 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): you say kick cdiat

[7/3/2014 7:55:38 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): i say kick no m

[7/3/2014 7:55:48 PM] Telios Madronin: Kick all the corps?

[7/3/2014 7:55:50 PM] Aura Ikku: there was no discussion of removing you guys

[7/3/2014 7:56:02 PM] Telios Madronin: Lets all just go join brave

[7/3/2014 7:56:11 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): i would rather die

[7/3/2014 7:56:15 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And the original deal was 100% for the R64's and 32's, and 16's were fair game.

[7/3/2014 7:56:28 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): 75

[7/3/2014 7:56:33 PM] Telios Madronin: Test then. Or bloodline

[7/3/2014 7:56:39 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): fuck that

[7/3/2014 7:56:56 PM] Aura Ikku: main issue I had is not evenbeing involved in a convo

[7/3/2014 7:57:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well the whole thing was a plan, it wasn't put into place.

[7/3/2014 7:57:09 PM] Telios Madronin: I mean its a small miracle we have fail cascaded with the continuous leadership fighting

[7/3/2014 7:57:11 PM] Aura Ikku: no spreadsheet to show me the issues

[7/3/2014 7:57:20 PM | Edited 7:57:30 PM] Aura Ikku: just darth telling me to basically STFU

[7/3/2014 7:57:22 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: it was placed out there in order to be discussed about

[7/3/2014 7:57:30 PM] Telios Madronin: Haven't*

[7/3/2014 7:57:37 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: That's Darth. He's doing it because he's pissed at Cpt and Caleb.

[7/3/2014 7:57:48 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And he knows he can get a rise out of you.

[7/3/2014 7:57:48 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): no fuks

[7/3/2014 7:58:01 PM] Aura Ikku: well, he pissed me off and I reacted as such

[7/3/2014 7:58:35 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: My question is, why wouldn't you be in support of this deal? And why are we being made out to be the bad guys for wanting to give the alliance more isk?

[7/3/2014 7:58:56 PM] Telios Madronin: Is the alliance making money off the deal?

[7/3/2014 7:59:12 PM] Aura Ikku: IG spent the last 3 months making this work

[7/3/2014 7:59:20 PM] Aura Ikku: setting up fuel production

[7/3/2014 7:59:24 PM] Aura Ikku: taking moons

[7/3/2014 7:59:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Alliance is making appx 98% of the income in PAvo's deal, rather then 50% in Cpt's deal.

[7/3/2014 7:59:41 PM] Aura Ikku: refucking fueling those bastards

[7/3/2014 8:00:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Individuals make more money under Pavo's deal, Corps make more money under Cpt's.

[7/3/2014 8:00:04 PM] Aura Ikku: and all along I thoght this would happen, so I asked, time and fucking time again

[7/3/2014 8:00:11 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Trust me mate, we did the same.

[7/3/2014 8:00:12 PM] Telios Madronin: How about we settle at 75% and stop fighting?

We are all honor

[7/3/2014 8:00:19 PM] Aura Ikku: "r16s are for corp right?"

[7/3/2014 8:00:28 PM] Aura Ikku: "yes aura"

[7/3/2014 8:00:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: R16's are still for corp right? o.o

[7/3/2014 8:00:43 PM] Telios Madronin: Aura stuff changes...

[7/3/2014 8:00:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I thought Darths deal only included 32's and 64's. gimme a sec.

[7/3/2014 8:01:10 PM] Aura Ikku: now its, "whilst you were asleep, we decided to change that, now you get 45 mil k?"

[7/3/2014 8:01:14 PM] Aura Ikku: well fuck that

[7/3/2014 8:01:29 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Under the original deal R16's were corp owned minus one that was worth as much as the 32's./

[7/3/2014 8:01:31 PM] Telios Madronin: Okay so you don't have to do moons

[7/3/2014 8:01:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 45m per moon.

[7/3/2014 8:01:55 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: and we split it up between systems

[7/3/2014 8:02:02 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So IG would get the highest density area.

[7/3/2014 8:02:10 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Meaning you make as much as 500m a month

[7/3/2014 8:02:13 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: From 1 system.

[7/3/2014 8:02:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Pretty sure N-8 has 17 moons of note in it

[7/3/2014 8:02:32 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): that why ig is pissed because darts plan includes 16's

[7/3/2014 8:02:45 PM] Aura Ikku: I have to go guys, will catch up on this tomorrow

[7/3/2014 8:02:48 PM] Aura Ikku: o7

[7/3/2014 8:02:49 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: That's 765m off running N-8 alone.

[7/3/2014 8:02:52 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: One system

[7/3/2014 8:02:59 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 765m in profit a month.

[7/3/2014 8:03:12 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And you just have to undock and warp from pos to pos to make it

[7/3/2014 8:03:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Instead of flying all over to get it.

[7/3/2014 8:03:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Meh I might lose power soon. haboob rolling in

[7/3/2014 8:04:44 PM] *** Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] . added Darth ***

[7/3/2014 8:05:09 PM] Darth: Teehee :$

[7/3/2014 8:05:16 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): ...is that the final amount you all are whining, crying, and insulting each other over? the price of a single fucking plex? $30 and I can have double that amount?

[7/3/2014 8:05:28 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): holy fucking shit

[7/3/2014 8:05:39 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): not even close

[7/3/2014 8:05:45 PM] Telios Madronin: Welcome to the party darth

[7/3/2014 8:05:50 PM] Telios Madronin: Darth*

[7/3/2014 8:06:31 PM] Telios Madronin: Liked your plan

[7/3/2014 8:06:52 PM] Darth: lol

[7/3/2014 8:07:00 PM] Telios Madronin: Haven't seen any others so I can say its the best I have seen

[7/3/2014 8:07:01 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Well the problem from IG's side is that they cant use the moons for corp income.

[7/3/2014 8:07:33 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: The other one was 50/50

[7/3/2014 8:07:50 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Between alliance and corp.

[7/3/2014 8:07:52 PM] Darth: understandable, however IG wants the income for things like free frigs and skill books.... Which I STRONGLY BELIEVE, silver as Indy should make into an alliance level thing.

[7/3/2014 8:07:58 PM] Darth: Like "Free Tribe" was.

[7/3/2014 8:08:06 PM] Darth: using reprocess tax for t1 frigs.

[7/3/2014 8:08:11 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Trust me, No-M would be fine making an extra 4b a month or so.

[7/3/2014 8:08:14 PM] Darth: and cheap skilbooks who gives a fuck.

[7/3/2014 8:08:37 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But we dont think it's the best plan for the alliance.

[7/3/2014 8:08:42 PM] Darth: our alliance will ahve about 7B fluff room a month off of moons alone

[7/3/2014 8:08:56 PM] Darth: leaving 1B a omnth for free skillbooks(probably only ever use 500m at max newbrow recruitment)

[7/3/2014 8:09:17 PM] Darth: Hellz I've offered our moons in that preposal to other people but no one wanted to pick up the bottom of shit circle.

[7/3/2014 8:09:47 PM] Darth: I dont want no-m running all those moons, I just want the north pocket that is the CVA hostile zone... because those are likely to get reinf, espeacially in a cva war.

[7/3/2014 8:11:14 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Shit I offered 100% of the income after fuel costs and got called a Thief.

[7/3/2014 8:11:58 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): that only came after inquiring about it for 2 weeks and getting a different story every time

[7/3/2014 8:12:22 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): none of which lead to any kind of numbers.

[7/3/2014 8:12:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: ?

[7/3/2014 8:12:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Really?

[7/3/2014 8:12:40 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I haven't recieved a single mail.

[7/3/2014 8:13:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You called my corp Thieves, even though we've paid 2b in alliance sov bills in the past 2 weeks.

[7/3/2014 8:13:12 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yup. Totally. we steal your money and spend it on the alliance.

[7/3/2014 8:13:19 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: isn't that kinda counter intuitive?

[7/3/2014 8:14:22 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): I know nothing of the moons, or plans, or past deals, so I'll keep my mouth shut about that. But the point I was striving for remains, you guys are ALL high leadership, and this channel looks like local with brave, test, and CFC in system. Just keep it civil and on topic.

[7/3/2014 8:14:37 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Well now we know not to ask pavo

[7/3/2014 8:14:47 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): talk to you directly

[7/3/2014 8:15:03 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: It was corp level shit, Pavo didn't have access to it.

[7/3/2014 8:15:13 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Only myself and Darth.

[7/3/2014 8:15:26 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And Krall who ran it to high sec.

[7/3/2014 8:15:40 PM] Darth: krall ran some lowsec shit too.

[7/3/2014 8:15:44 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You should have known that before you accused me of being a thief.

[7/3/2014 8:15:59 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): we accused you of beaing broke

[7/3/2014 8:16:14 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): pavo never said talk to you or darth

[7/3/2014 8:16:22 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): stop trying to make a moral stand white ranger

[7/3/2014 8:16:24 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: No Cpt, made several comments directly saying that No-Mercy is "stealing" all the moon goo.

[7/3/2014 8:16:33 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: WHITE RANGER AHOY!

[7/3/2014 8:16:35 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I did

[7/3/2014 8:16:47 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Again you fail Caleb, come on mate.

[7/3/2014 8:16:50 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): and it got paid like fukin magic m8

[7/3/2014 8:17:58 PM] Darth: Confirming, since Pavo became alliance leadership, it's not really part of any corp matters because he doens't have time.

[7/3/2014 8:18:16 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Did it get paid?

[7/3/2014 8:18:19 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: It shouldn't have.

[7/3/2014 8:18:36 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Yeah that was Pavo being a bro and paying you guys outta his personal isk.

[7/3/2014 8:18:40 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): they said you pooped the isk

[7/3/2014 8:18:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I told you advance notice.

[7/3/2014 8:18:48 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: And you get the isk.

[7/3/2014 8:18:53 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): pavo sent isk to alliance wallet

[7/3/2014 8:19:12 PM] Darth: Yeah pavo took from his wallet to shut you guys up

[7/3/2014 8:19:15 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I did start 2 weeks ago

[7/3/2014 8:19:24 PM] Darth: because you were all being childish and cpt was being a bitch about it.

[7/3/2014 8:19:29 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): http://www.cosplayhouse.com/images/D/kk-06%5B1%5D.jpg

[7/3/2014 8:19:31 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): just didnt know pavo is not the one to talk to

[7/3/2014 8:19:31 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I could go empty our towers and give you the almost 4b in there.

[7/3/2014 8:19:52 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): http://hdtoytheater.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bandai-s-h-figuarts-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-white-ranger-03.jpg

[7/3/2014 8:19:59 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: If you have an issue with a No-Mercy matter, you bring it up to me. Or you tell my directors to give me a phone call.

[7/3/2014 8:20:09 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I swear Caleb, you have the biggest man crush on me.

[7/3/2014 8:20:13 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I'm blushing over here.

[7/3/2014 8:20:16 PM] Darth: more then 4b i think hellz, but idk off hand.

[7/3/2014 8:20:24 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): Pavo is a director is he not?

[7/3/2014 8:20:39 PM] Darth: No.

[7/3/2014 8:20:39 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/13/133663/3313619-2592422158-12365.jpg

[7/3/2014 8:20:41 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: 1.6b in one pos, 1.9b in another.

[7/3/2014 8:20:57 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Pavo has stepped down from dealing with No-mercy dealings as it conflicts with him being Alliance exec.

[7/3/2014 8:21:18 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: That's a sexy as pic of me Caleb, not sure where you got it though.

[7/3/2014 8:21:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Gonna have to check my mirrors for hidden cams.

[7/3/2014 8:21:40 PM] Darth: lol

[7/3/2014 8:24:17 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: So are we done here gents, assuming Caleb turned his safe search off on google and found some of my nudes, and is busy fapping to them. And Cpt seems to have run out of steam after spending the early part of this conversation insulting me lol

[7/3/2014 8:24:44 PM] Darth: lol

[7/3/2014 8:24:47 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): i GET TO HAVE FUN SOMETIME TO

[7/3/2014 8:24:53 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): god damn caps

[7/3/2014 8:25:24 PM] Darth: SS is shit.

[7/3/2014 8:25:25 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Insulting me is the wrong way to have fun. Specially considering you have Caleb in your corp, and he's a much easier target then I am.

[7/3/2014 8:25:29 PM] Darth: lulz jk (heart)

[7/3/2014 8:25:38 PM] Darth: lol

[7/3/2014 8:25:40 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): I insult him to

[7/3/2014 8:25:48 PM] Darth: Soo

[7/3/2014 8:25:55 PM] Darth: Not sure what happened since Ig ot added in

[7/3/2014 8:25:58 PM] Darth: But we all cool with moon distro

[7/3/2014 8:25:59 PM] Darth: now?

[7/3/2014 8:26:07 PM] Darth: Do we have any word on IG if they are wanting blue or not?

[7/3/2014 8:27:54 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Quite frankly I don't care. You guys can decide on what you want to do with the moons, but the personal insults stop now. You insult my corp, insult myself, and belittle what we've done to help. And my corp will quickly cease to see a reason to be here. We play this game to have fun, and we get along with everyone but a few of the Cdiat leadership. Pretty much everyone else likes us, respects us, and has fun.

[7/3/2014 8:28:12 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: My typing has woken up my daughter.

[7/3/2014 8:28:14 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Shitty.

[7/3/2014 8:28:31 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Now she's staring up at me like, Daddy! Entertain me fool!

[7/3/2014 8:28:50 PM] Njord Han: LOL I remember those days

[7/3/2014 8:29:27 PM] Njord Han: And it doesnt get better once they reach their 20's

[7/3/2014 8:30:19 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: She definitely keeps me busy.

[7/3/2014 8:31:32 PM] Njord Han: No kids in the house and the boss is standing in the door way staring at me like a fool. Wearing a red teddy. :) See yall later. I know where my bread is buttered.

[7/3/2014 8:31:57 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you started the corp insult so you cant be mad

[7/3/2014 8:32:24 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): you hit us first

[7/3/2014 8:32:44 PM] Darth: Can I just say idgaf.

[7/3/2014 8:32:46 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: Hell yeah Get it Njord! Actually I can. I said kick Cdiat (as a joke from the Tribe days), I said some of your leadership was shit, and they are.

[7/3/2014 8:32:56 PM] Darth: lol

[7/3/2014 8:33:13 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): but only those of you from tribe no

[7/3/2014 8:33:34 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: I explained it in alliance chat afterwards.

[7/3/2014 8:33:43 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: because people were asking.

[7/3/2014 8:34:33 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: But, the insulting Pavo, Caleb being a general dick, you being a dick to people for no reason has to stop.

[7/3/2014 8:34:45 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): i HAD REASON TY

[7/3/2014 8:34:53 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): did it again

[7/3/2014 8:35:13 PM] Darth: I thought it funny aura calling out pavo on activity ^_^

[7/3/2014 8:35:14 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: You had no reason to be a dick to me. I came in this chat again to see line after line accusing my corp of stealing.

[7/3/2014 8:35:28 PM] Kenneth Russell Gibson [Hellz] .: We bought enough Ihubs to get the entire area we own ihub'd

[7/3/2014 8:35:37 PM] Cpt Disturbed(Honor): we are good

[7/3/2014 11:09:34 PM] Darth: Also, for the general leadership, it has been brought to my attention that some of "the miners" are upset that when 1 guy is complaining about shit(for exmaple, defend the miners) and then other dudes bitch and complain about the miners... Well we have other miners that are more use to null and are capable of defending themselves... Soo basically, SHIME does not equal MYOB etc.

[7/3/2014 11:11:17 PM] Darth: The main complaint being, a member from SHIME who is leaving the corp, has been complaining a bunch, and included MOYB Freighter loss mail, which MYOB is perfectly aware that they lost it and do not blame anyone but themselves for it...

[7/3/2014 11:12:00 PM] Darth: Basicly, TL;DR MYOB are miners, but unless THEY bitch about something, don't group them with other miner's complaints.

[7/4/2014 12:04:03 AM] Silver Armer: Is really support this "[4:14:06] Xeron Vann (HONOR): I know nothing of the moons, or plans, or past deals, so I'll keep my mouth shut about that. But the point I was striving for remains, you guys are ALL high leadership, and this channel looks like local with brave, test, and CFC in system. Just keep it civil and on topic."

[7/4/2014 4:06:45 PM] Aura Ikku: so you would prefer that we did not work together, and instead you would like concentrate on trolling?

[7/4/2014 4:07:18 PM] Darth: We are working together.

[7/4/2014 4:07:20 PM] Darth: As an alliance.

[7/4/2014 4:09:09 PM] Aura Ikku: you will be detrimental to this leadership structure, that is already shit

[7/4/2014 4:09:39 PM] Darth: Ouch, where did this come from?

[7/4/2014 4:09:53 PM] Aura Ikku: you are a known agitator

[7/4/2014 4:10:02 PM] Aura Ikku: and troll

[7/4/2014 4:10:23 PM] Aura Ikku: you being pavo's right hand man will be the down fall of this alliance

[7/4/2014 4:10:36 PM] Darth: I am not pavo's right hand man.

[7/4/2014 4:10:42 PM] Darth: That is Cpt Disturbed.

[7/4/2014 4:10:47 PM] Aura Ikku: lol

[7/4/2014 4:11:12 PM] Aura Ikku: you made a comment about my calling pavo out on activity

[7/4/2014 4:11:19 PM] Aura Ikku: it was not activity I was referring to

[7/4/2014 4:11:51 PM] Aura Ikku: being online or logged into game doesn't mean shit

[7/4/2014 4:13:56 PM] Darth: "having an alliance executor who is never available during a reasonable TZ is a problem, not to mention the fact he has no time to contribute to running this alliance."

[7/4/2014 4:14:08 PM] Darth: My mistake, it was worded in a way that I assmed you were refering to him not being active.

[7/4/2014 4:14:49 PM] Darth: So I responded saying that our alliance executor is almost always available during many TZ, as well as the fact that he dedicates 90% of his personal time towards running the alliance.

[7/4/2014 4:14:59 PM] Darth: It was a miss communication, and I appologize.

[7/4/2014 4:15:01 PM] Aura Ikku: he is not available during late EU/early US

[7/4/2014 4:15:17 PM] Aura Ikku: that is our prime time

[7/4/2014 4:15:26 PM] Darth: When is late EU Tz?

[7/4/2014 4:16:02 PM] Darth: +/- from right now.

[7/4/2014 4:16:20 PM] Aura Ikku: west cost US allaince leadership is flawed

[7/4/2014 4:16:35 PM] Aura Ikku: may as well be australian TZ

[7/4/2014 4:16:42 PM] Darth: You ignored my question.

[7/4/2014 4:16:45 PM] Darth: When is late EU TZ

[7/4/2014 4:16:50 PM] Darth: In relation to right now.

[7/4/2014 4:16:55 PM] Darth: +/- how many hours?

[7/4/2014 4:17:10 PM] Aura Ikku: EU is 5pm to maybe 2AM

[7/4/2014 4:17:19 PM] Aura Ikku: 2am max

[7/4/2014 4:17:28 PM] Darth: ... You using EVE time?

[7/4/2014 4:17:29 PM] Aura Ikku: more like 00:00

[7/4/2014 4:17:51 PM | Edited 4:17:57 PM] Aura Ikku: knock it back an hour for eve time

[7/4/2014 4:18:12 PM] Darth: Okay so from 18:00 to 02:00 eve time?

[7/4/2014 4:18:46 PM] Aura Ikku: I often see him online

[7/4/2014 4:18:49 PM] Aura Ikku: even in game

[7/4/2014 4:18:56 PM] Darth: [Friday, July 04, 2014 4:18 PM] Darth:

<<< Okay so from 18:00 to 02:00 eve time?

[7/4/2014 4:18:57 PM] Aura Ikku: I get no replies on skype or ingame

[7/4/2014 4:19:05 PM] Darth: Yes or no.

[7/4/2014 4:19:17 PM] Aura Ikku: point is, he does not reply

[7/4/2014 4:19:21 PM] Darth: Yes or no.

[7/4/2014 4:19:24 PM] Darth: [Friday, July 04, 2014 4:18 PM] Darth:

<<< Okay so from 18:00 to 02:00 eve time?

[7/4/2014 4:19:29 PM] Darth: This is the timezone you refer to?

[7/4/2014 4:19:45 PM] Darth: It is currently 22:00 eve time.. Pavo is on skype, on ts3, and in game.

[7/4/2014 4:19:46 PM] Aura Ikku: eve time EU would be 4PM to maybe 1am

[7/4/2014 4:19:51 PM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": That's often because I am in class. When I am in class I am on to see what's going on. I really can't respond

[7/4/2014 4:19:55 PM] Darth: Also, Pavo is not west coast.

[7/4/2014 4:20:01 PM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": ^

[7/4/2014 4:20:48 PM] Aura Ikku: so meetings should be able to incude EU guys

[7/4/2014 4:20:53 PM] Darth: Soo according to your statement, LATE EU tz, where apvo is not active.. would be like 22:00 till 02:00 Right?

[7/4/2014 4:21:00 PM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": And if it's later that probably means I'm doing homework in which case just poke me on TS or pping me on jabber.

[7/4/2014 4:21:15 PM] Darth: Aura, Soo according to your statement, LATE EU tz, where apvo is not active.. would be like 22:00 till 02:00 Right?

[7/4/2014 4:21:48 PM] Aura Ikku: I would call that late eu, yes

[7/4/2014 4:21:52 PM] Darth: Okay.

[7/4/2014 4:22:00 PM] Aura Ikku: but no one is goingto join a meeting after 00:00

[7/4/2014 4:22:08 PM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": My active time is from 2 hours ago till 6-8 hours from now

[7/4/2014 4:22:20 PM] Darth: ^^ Pavo is active during late EU tz.

[7/4/2014 4:22:44 PM] Darth: He is probably still active early EU Tz

[7/4/2014 4:22:49 PM] Aura Ikku: then why did this all important moon mining meeting happen outside a TZ that silver could join?

[7/4/2014 4:23:06 PM] Darth: Because I said so.

[7/4/2014 4:23:13 PM] Aura Ikku: then you are a dick

[7/4/2014 4:23:16 PM] Darth: No.

[7/4/2014 4:23:25 PM] Aura Ikku: and you will have issues getting anyone to follow you

[7/4/2014 4:23:31 PM] Darth: I comformed to 4/5 corps involved.

[7/4/2014 4:23:38 PM] Aura Ikku: eh?

[7/4/2014 4:23:39 PM] Darth: It is not my fault that IG could not attend.

[7/4/2014 4:23:46 PM] Aura Ikku: you are a tool

[7/4/2014 4:23:52 PM] Darth: As such, I left a section of good space for IG.

[7/4/2014 4:24:00 PM] Darth: Even without them asking for it, as I had reserved it for them.

[7/4/2014 4:24:03 PM] Aura Ikku: IG will not be working with your model

[7/4/2014 4:24:17 PM] Darth: Then I will remove you from the chart and hand out your moons to other corps.

[7/4/2014 4:24:39 PM] Aura Ikku: try

[7/4/2014 4:24:48 PM] Aura Ikku: and watch this alliance collapse

[7/4/2014 4:25:13 PM] Darth: Just because you don't like me is not a reason to threaten the alliance.

[7/4/2014 4:25:25 PM] Darth: Were not being hostile here, let's keep it civil.

[7/4/2014 4:25:37 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): Civil went out the door 4 days ago

[7/4/2014 4:25:46 PM] Aura Ikku: you hit any IG towers and you will cause a schism

[7/4/2014 4:25:46 PM] Darth: lol, I must of missed the memo,.

[7/4/2014 4:26:13 PM] Aura Ikku: if you wanted us on board, you should have made fucking sure we were consulted

[7/4/2014 4:26:15 PM] Darth: Who said anything about hitting IG Towers?

[7/4/2014 4:26:24 PM] Aura Ikku: [Friday, July 04, 2014 4:24 PM] Darth:

<<< Then I will remove you from the chart and hand out your moons to other corps.

[7/4/2014 4:26:33 PM] Darth: Yes, that is alliance distribution

[7/4/2014 4:26:35 PM] Aura Ikku: how are you going to hand out our moons without taking them?

[7/4/2014 4:26:43 PM] Darth: You will unachor them and transfer.

[7/4/2014 4:26:45 PM] Aura Ikku: that involves seiging them

[7/4/2014 4:26:51 PM] Darth: No, simple transfer.

[7/4/2014 4:27:10 PM] Aura Ikku: um, and that is happening how?

[7/4/2014 4:27:19 PM] Darth: Alliance pays for tower and any mods

[7/4/2014 4:27:26 PM] Darth: you offline and unanchor.

[7/4/2014 4:27:29 PM] Darth: New corp comes

[7/4/2014 4:27:39 PM] Darth: relaunches and anchor/online.

[7/4/2014 4:27:44 PM] Aura Ikku: and you think I'll do that?

[7/4/2014 4:28:00 PM] Aura Ikku: I am following the original plan put to me

[7/4/2014 4:28:13 PM] Aura Ikku: your plan, darth, doens;t mean shit to me

[7/4/2014 4:28:24 PM] Aura Ikku: and is not supported by the majority

[7/4/2014 4:28:39 PM] Aura Ikku: and you went about imposing it and deciding on the new model, in the worst way possible

[7/4/2014 4:28:56 PM] Darth: I've never been known for my sweet talk have I?

[7/4/2014 4:29:01 PM] Aura Ikku: no

[7/4/2014 4:29:23 PM] Aura Ikku: but to me it looks like you puposely chose to have a discussionon the topic when you knew damn well IG would not be there to represent

[7/4/2014 4:29:38 PM] Darth: No, I did it when I was online and I wanted to get shit done.

[7/4/2014 4:29:46 PM | Edited 4:29:48 PM] Aura Ikku: therefore allowing you to chose a plan without opposition from the people who run the majority of towers

[7/4/2014 4:29:54 PM] Darth: And we had representatives from 4 out of 5 corps involved.

[7/4/2014 4:30:14 PM] Aura Ikku: but not the corp that holds most of the towers?

[7/4/2014 4:30:19 PM] Darth: I wasn't choosign a plan, it was already chosen, we met to talk about how they would be distributed.

[7/4/2014 4:30:22 PM] Aura Ikku: common sense here darth!

[7/4/2014 4:30:34 PM] Darth: Idc how many towers you run.

[7/4/2014 4:30:38 PM] Aura Ikku: 46

[7/4/2014 4:31:32 PM] Aura Ikku: and between pavo and yourself, over a measly 6 bil a month, you want to cause a potential schism of the alliance

[7/4/2014 4:31:47 PM] Aura Ikku: it is a matter of principal

[7/4/2014 4:31:54 PM] Aura Ikku: you do not fucking change the goal posts

[7/4/2014 4:32:20 PM] (HONOR) Pavo "Xax tannor": I ddon't want to hear anything more about the "original plan" as that was what I wanted and was working for, however not only was that several months ago and things/circumstances have changed, but it is also not how it is going to be run. One corp that doesn't want to abide by it and try and force something else will not stop the plan from being placed. This alliance is no long just 3 main corps that think they can run everything and have control of everything. This Alliance is growing and therefore constantly changing.

[7/4/2014 4:32:28 PM] Aura Ikku: and you certainly don't it knowing full well that IG leadership would be unable to attend

[7/4/2014 4:33:16 PM] Aura Ikku: well, I hate to break this to you, but IF the alliance splits, your new plan is kinda fucked too

[7/4/2014 4:33:41 PM] Aura Ikku: so maybe you would do well to reconsider and this time bring in the players to the table

[7/4/2014 4:33:49 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): You're all acting like children. I thought you guys were supposed to run the alliance, not throw dirt at eachother like 7 year olds calling eachother names. Man up, stop thinking absolutely everything is a tongue in cheek jab, and calmly discuss the issue at hand. If someone couldn't attend a meeting, provide notes/recording to the parties that missed and ask for feedback. If you have a complaint about something, offer a reasonable solution or compromise.

[7/4/2014 4:34:03 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): I should not be diplo'ing my bosses. Stahpit.

[7/4/2014 4:34:47 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Well the new plan is shit, and all the sudden poof, it's here. And everyone wonders why people are bitter

[7/4/2014 4:35:00 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Especially when this was taken care of allready

[7/4/2014 4:35:04 PM] Aura Ikku: considering IG was not invited to the table on this discussion, we were hardly in a position to offer up alternatives

[7/4/2014 4:35:27 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): There will be no splitting

[7/4/2014 4:35:30 PM] Caleb Ball (HONOR): Tho

[7/4/2014 4:35:51 PM] Xeron Vann (HONOR): So start over. Have a new discussion and introduce