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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member only way out.. upgrade the network to fiber.. starting in the highest customer dense locations.... this starts with getting more bundles of fiber from tier-1 to the central offices. if you can't transition the telecom to a service consumers might actually pay more money per month for service, they might as well pack it in & go out of business. go big or close up shop.

JasonOD

@comcast.net JasonOD Anon Re: only way out.. That's too expensive unless it starts and ends with their most customer dense locations, everything else is unfeasible.



At this stage in the game, Fairpoint needs a reverse Morris-Trust type strategy of their own to offload their never to be profitable areas onto a subsidiary or local co-ops (tele-coops) if any exist.

TelcoGuy

@telus.net TelcoGuy Anon Re: only way out.. People will choose cable triple-play until FairPoint upgrades to FTTH. Future is dire for rural telcos. Skippy25

join:2000-09-13

Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 to JasonOD

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In all your wisdom in this you make stupid comments.



So Fairpoint, or someone at one point, was cost justified to roll out copper to these locations and support that for many many years and now all of a sudden it is not cost effective to rollout the next technology that is cheaper to support, gives them the ability to actually compete and will last a whole lot longer?



That is just short term greed that equates to long term stupidity.

FFH5

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: only way out.. said by Skippy25: That is just short term greed that equates to long term stupidity.

No, it is short term "no one will Lend them money" to upgrade infrastructure that can't repay the investment for a decade or two. Will you take YOUR hard earned savings and lend it to them knowing you may not get any back for 10 yrs or more? I thought not. But I am sure you won't mind if taxpayers do it.

The Limit

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Denver, CO The Limit Premium Member Re: only way out.. Actually, this mindset is the reason why Wall Street is the way it is.



No short-term gain? No lending out the money. If I had to wait 10 years or more for a ROI, that would actually be ok with me. What wouldn't be ok with me is if I wasn't guaranteed a ROI 10-20 years from now.



Also, as long as it wouldn't put me into financial trouble, I would be ok with it. I mean, why not invest just because the short-term profit isn't there? Sometimes you have to look at the big picture, and in this case the big picture for this telecom is trying to make good on the promises they've already made, which they aren't doing.



The first comment is a little far fetched, I think this should be the end result after the bottom line has been strengthened a bit, in other words focus on the elimination of debt and gear the business with the customer in mind. As of late, this hasn't been happening.



This is why I hate the phrase "whatever the market will bear." It shouldn't be about what the market "will bear", but about whether the customer sees value in the purchase. Instead of setting a smoke screen to produce the illusion of value, actually produce value. Make it worthwhile. sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin to FFH5

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said by FFH5: said by Skippy25: That is just short term greed that equates to long term stupidity.



No, it is short term "no one will Lend them money" to upgrade infrastructure that can't repay the investment for a decade or two. Will you take YOUR hard earned savings and lend it to them knowing you may not get any back for 10 yrs or more? I thought not. But I am sure you won't mind if taxpayers do it.



This indicates the government should build its own network. Soo... then explain to me again why people are buying up US treasuries at negative real interest rates?This indicates the government should build its own network. Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 to FFH5

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Really? How did they do it in the beginning? Did they just crap out the money they invested?



Sure, most stock jockeys today wont want anyone to lend someone money that they wont see a return on an hour later, but smart and unselfish people (people like me) will gladly contribute for long term benefit for myself, my children, my grand children and my great grand children.

cwa

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A lot of people likes to shit on unions, but it was CWA that told the regulators that this purchase to Fairpoint was a very very bad deal for all the consumers. They told regulators that the company wouldn't be able to manage the debt. Blame the state regulators of Maine,Vermont and New Hampshire's they fucked there own people, because they believed the bullshit that Verizon and Fairpoint were telling them.

Dolgan

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Madison, WI Dolgan Premium Member Re: only way out.. True, but now CWA supports the AT&T lie that the Merger with T-mobile will create jobs. What a sleazy way to gain new membership. CWA needs/has needed new leadership for quite a while now to take the Union in a positive direction. overand

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There's a big population density issue here.



Brooklyn, NY has 2.5 million people, in 71 square miles.



All of Maine has 1.3 million people - spread out through 35,000 square miles.



That's a *lot* of fiber to go to the end users - a lot of copper to replace. And just the labor costs of threading new cable on telephone poles is quite expensive - and Maine doesn't have the most thriving economy.



Would I prefer fiber-to-the-premesis? For sure. Is it "economical?" Not really at this point. I'm not holding my breath.

S_engineer

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Chicago, IL S_engineer Premium Member Idiots... I feel for the poor souls that have to rely on this "service". I certainly hope all of the morons that approved this aquisition have been terminated!

woody7

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Torrance, CA woody7 Premium Member Re: Idiots... yea, where are all the fanboys that said this is great and the govt should step aside. I rest my case............................

AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net AnonMe Anon Grow a spine several years too late... Can't speak for the other states, but NH PUC is useless. State employees who could care less about the job they do (or if it gets done effectively), as long as they get their heavy state pension when they retire.



NH PUC needs to actually get a clue and understand that they are preventing the competition, and costing consumers lots of money in the state. They make regulations difficult for any potential telecom/Internet competitor in the state. chgo_man99

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San Jose, CA chgo_man99 Member has anyone's 3g service suffered once lte popped out in your city?



This seems to happen in Chicago area.



Looks like at&t decommissions something every-time they install something new :/ BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Shady They have rolled out a lot more DSL up there, but that metric is pretty darn shady. I wonder what the economic feasibility of the 87% number is when you look at locations where RDSLAMs would be needed and such. It really is pretty shameful overall that we're not at 100% in this country. We still treat rural areas like third-world countries in many cases.

tim_k

Buttons, Bows, Beamer, Shadow, Kasey

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Stewartstown, PA tim_k Premium Member they all do it I live in Verizon territory and it's the same thing. I believe they consider everyone served by a CO as being able to get broadband as long as that CO has the equipment. It makes no difference if the customer is too far away. A look at a coverage map shows everyone near me as being able to get DSL, yet no one on my street or anywhere further can get it.

blohner

join:2002-06-26

Cortlandt Manor, NY 114.1 16.8

blohner Member No sympathy I have no sympathy for Fairpoint in this case. They are a business. They where not handcuffed into the deal with Verizon. They thought they can make profit with it... I guess the fuzzy math didn't work... I also see no ground for the investors to sue Verizon. Sue the Fairpoint CEO that signed the deal if you must - and give parise for Verizon to fantastic marketing in a deal...

cork1958

Cork

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join:2000-02-26 cork1958 Premium Member Re: No sympathy said by blohner: I have no sympathy for Fairpoint in this case. They are a business. They where not handcuffed into the deal with Verizon. They thought they can make profit with it... I guess the fuzzy math didn't work... I also see no ground for the investors to sue Verizon. Sue the Fairpoint CEO that signed the deal if you must - and give parise for Verizon to fantastic marketing in a deal...

Amen and +1 old_wiz_60

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Bedford, MA old_wiz_60 Member The regulators... were too busy counting the bribes they received from Fairpoint to approve the sale, so they didn't pay attention to what would happen. jadziedzic

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Nashua, NH jadziedzic Premium Member Re: The regulators... said by old_wiz_60: were too busy counting the bribes they received from Fairpoint to approve the sale, so they didn't pay attention to what would happen.

In fairness, there actually WAS one NH PUC member who voted to oppose the sale - the only member of the PUC who had any actual industry experience. your comment..

