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From: Sweden Does the world really need another Manowar live album? I don´t think so. On the other hand, it´s good to see that these old men - what are they, like, sixty years old? - still knows how to entertain the crowds. The bikes and ladies are just a bit too much for me. Loading...

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559Russia It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



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1469Canada Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 00:31



It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



They need to reinvent themselves in a good way





I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.



As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money. I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money. ----

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559Russia Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 02:22



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 00:31



It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



They need to reinvent themselves in a good way





I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.



As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money.



I don't know, i just prefer a live show, or an actual album, because a live album does not do it for me.



Hmm, I think you may be right, but the genre of music is not that lucrative. How mainstream are they? I mean, in Europe I can kind of see it, but in USA, no one really knows who they are, at least not the newer metal crowds. I don't know, i just prefer a live show, or an actual album, because a live album does not do it for me.Hmm, I think you may be right, but the genre of music is not that lucrative. How mainstream are they? I mean, in Europe I can kind of see it, but in USA, no one really knows who they are, at least not the newer metal crowds. Loading...

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1469Canada Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:27



Hmm, I think you may be right, but the genre of music is not that lucrative. How mainstream are they? I mean, in Europe I can kind of see it, but in USA, no one really knows who they are, at least not the newer metal crowds.





I meant that the kind of music they play is extremely accessible.



I don't know why it is like that but Manowar have never been big in America. I'm from Canada and I can tell that it was already like that in the 80s. Almost no one cared for this band here and lots of people even never heard the name. Even if Iron Maiden and other traditional Heavy Metal bands were big, Manowar were nothing here. I meant that the kind of music they play is extremely accessible.I don't know why it is like that but Manowar have never been big in America. I'm from Canada and I can tell that it was already like that in the 80s. Almost no one cared for this band here and lots of people even never heard the name. Even if Iron Maiden and other traditional Heavy Metal bands were big, Manowar were nothing here. ----

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559Russia Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 02:36



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:27



Hmm, I think you may be right, but the genre of music is not that lucrative. How mainstream are they? I mean, in Europe I can kind of see it, but in USA, no one really knows who they are, at least not the newer metal crowds.





I meant that the kind of music they play is extremely accessible.



I don't know why it is like that but Manowar have never been big in America. I'm from Canada and I can tell that it was already like that in the 80s. Almost no one cared for this band here and lots of people even never heard the name. Even if Iron Maiden and other traditional Heavy Metal bands were big, Manowar were nothing here.



I agree, they are accessible.



Yeah, in USA is pretty much the same story. Mostly old metalheads know who they are. That's why they did not tour here for a long time as far as I know. I agree, they are accessible.Yeah, in USA is pretty much the same story. Mostly old metalheads know who they are. That's why they did not tour here for a long time as far as I know. Loading...

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From: UK Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:27



Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 02:22



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 00:31



It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



They need to reinvent themselves in a good way





I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.



As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money.



I don't know, i just prefer a live show, or an actual album, because a live album does not do it for me.



That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.



Also why I'm not interested in buying the Manowar live album, aside from the fact I'm not especially fond of Manowar (I generally find them very boring for some reason, even on the better albums of theirs I own, although I do admit "Master Of The Wind" is an awesome song (and is my second favourite Manowar song) and there were some good songs off of their last two albums, including the title track to Gods of War (my favourite Manowar track) and "Annihilation" from The Lord Of Steel (third favourite)). That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.Also why I'm not interested in buying the Manowar live album, aside from the fact I'm not especially fond of Manowar (I generally find them very boring for some reason, even on the better albums of theirs I own, although I do admit "Master Of The Wind" is an awesome song (and is my second favourite Manowar song) and there were some good songs off of their last two albums, including the title track to Gods of War (my favourite Manowar track) and "Annihilation" from The Lord Of Steel (third favourite)). Loading...

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559Russia Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 02:49



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:27



Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 02:22



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 00:31



It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



They need to reinvent themselves in a good way





I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.



As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money.



I don't know, i just prefer a live show, or an actual album, because a live album does not do it for me.



That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.



Also why I'm not interested in buying the Manowar live album, aside from the fact I'm not especially fond of Manowar (I generally find them very boring for some reason, even on the better albums of theirs I own, although I do admit "Master Of The Wind" is an awesome song (and is my second favourite Manowar song) and there were some good songs off of their last two albums, including the title track to Gods of War (my favourite Manowar track) and "Annihilation" from The Lord Of Steel (third favourite)).



I can see your points.



I like the old stuff, although Gods of War, was a solid album. I can see your points.I like the old stuff, although Gods of War, was a solid album. Loading...

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From: UK Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:54



Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 02:49



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 02:27



Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 02:22



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 00:31



It may be just me, but I hate Live albums, and after the last debacle of an album with Manowar, I do not think this will be any better.

Gods of War was a decent album, The Lord of Steel was meh, nothing that great.



They need to reinvent themselves in a good way





I'm not a big fan of live albums, though I definitely enjot a few ones.



As for Manowar reinventing themselves, it will never happen because all they do is to release the most commercial and mainstream Metal possible for the sake of money.



I don't know, i just prefer a live show, or an actual album, because a live album does not do it for me.



That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.



Also why I'm not interested in buying the Manowar live album, aside from the fact I'm not especially fond of Manowar (I generally find them very boring for some reason, even on the better albums of theirs I own, although I do admit "Master Of The Wind" is an awesome song (and is my second favourite Manowar song) and there were some good songs off of their last two albums, including the title track to Gods of War (my favourite Manowar track) and "Annihilation" from The Lord Of Steel (third favourite)).



I can see your points.



I like the old stuff, although Gods of War, was a solid album.



For some odd reason, the only old stuff (I'm guessing you're meaning the pre-1990's material: feel free to correct me on the definition of old stuff if you want) I've heard is Battle Hymns and Sign Of The Hammer. I didn't dislike them, but I spent most of the time going "OK, that's not bad, but when is it going to get interesting?" I do want to like Manowar, since I do like some of their songs and didn't have any songs on any of their albums I own that I really disliked, but they don't seem to get far enough above decent for me to have any real opinion on them. They're just...there. For some odd reason, the only old stuff (I'm guessing you're meaning the pre-1990's material: feel free to correct me on the definition of old stuff if you want) I've heard is Battle Hymns and Sign Of The Hammer. I didn't dislike them, but I spent most of the time going "OK, that's not bad, but when is it going to get interesting?" I do want to like Manowar, since I do like some of their songs and didn't have any songs on any of their albums I own that I really disliked, but they don't seem to get far enough above decent for me to have any real opinion on them. They're just...there. Loading...

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I can see your points.



I like the old stuff, although Gods of War, was a solid album.



For some odd reason, the only old stuff (I'm guessing you're meaning the pre-1990's material: feel free to correct me on the definition of old stuff if you want) I've heard is Battle Hymns and Sign Of The Hammer. I didn't dislike them, but I spent most of the time going "OK, that's not bad, but when is it going to get interesting?" I do want to like Manowar, since I do like some of their songs and didn't have any songs on any of their albums I own that I really disliked, but they don't seem to get far enough above decent for me to have any real opinion on them. They're just...there.



Yeah, you are hitting the right era, you also have Fighting the World, Kings of Metal, Into Glory Ride. I grew up on them, so they will always have a place in my CD Player But I know what you mean. In USA for the ones who know who they are, they are regarded as cheesy metal, and I cannot really argue with that, because they are over the top with imagery and philosophy. Their lyrics are...eh, to repetetive. If they do not use Steel at least 15 times, it is not a Manowar album

Yeah, they are just there, I feel your sentiment. (Mod note: watch the quote trains)Yeah, you are hitting the right era, you also have Fighting the World, Kings of Metal, Into Glory Ride. I grew up on them, so they will always have a place in my CD PlayerBut I know what you mean. In USA for the ones who know who they are, they are regarded as cheesy metal, and I cannot really argue with that, because they are over the top with imagery and philosophy. Their lyrics are...eh, to repetetive. If they do not use Steel at least 15 times, it is not a Manowar albumYeah, they are just there, I feel your sentiment. Loading...

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1469Canada Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 02:49



That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.





The main reason why I'm not fond of live albums is, when it comes to Metal, one of the most important thing for me is atmosphere. You get it on a studio album but it is lost on a live album.

Also, when I listen to Metal albums, I always listen to them in their entirety, from start to end, without skipping songs. For me, a good album is more than simply the sum of all individual songs. So, listening to the songs in the context of the entire album is not the same experience than barely listening to different songs from different albums mixed up. The main reason why I'm not fond of live albums is, when it comes to Metal, one of the most important thing for me is atmosphere. You get it on a studio album but it is lost on a live album.Also, when I listen to Metal albums, I always listen to them in their entirety, from start to end, without skipping songs. For me, a good album is more than simply the sum of all individual songs. So, listening to the songs in the context of the entire album is not the same experience than barely listening to different songs from different albums mixed up. ----

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From: UK Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 03:18



Yeah, you are hitting the right era, you also have Fighting the World, Kings of Metal, Into Glory Ride. I grew up on them, so they will always have a place in my CD Player But I know what you mean. In USA for the ones who know who they are, they are regarded as cheesy metal, and I cannot really argue with that, because they are over the top with imagery and philosophy. Their lyrics are...eh, to repetetive. If they do not use Steel at least 15 times, it is not a Manowar album

Yeah, they are just there, I feel your sentiment.



There actually is a drinking game on the internet involving Manowar and "Steel", IIRC, is one of the words which you have to take a drink on.



It's actually odd that Manowar haven't clicked with me: normally, any band who combines good melodic singing and/or high falsetto screaming with well written music will have me wanting to listen (which is probably why I love Judas Priest as much as I do: they nicely hit all the criteria). Manowar, however, don't seem to want to click for some reason (although I will admit I'm not fond of their habit of proclaiming they are probably the only true metal warriors out there, considering I know there are far more extreme styles of metal than Manowar play, but I'm normally good at separating the music from the performers, so it's not likely to be this). I'll keep trying in the hopes that it does happen, although I'm starting to lose hope that it will... There actually is a drinking game on the internet involving Manowar and "Steel", IIRC, is one of the words which you have to take a drink on.It's actually odd that Manowar haven't clicked with me: normally, any band who combines good melodic singing and/or high falsetto screaming with well written music will have me wanting to listen (which is probably why I love Judas Priest as much as I do: they nicely hit all the criteria). Manowar, however, don't seem to want to click for some reason (although I will admit I'm not fond of their habit of proclaiming they are probably the only true metal warriors out there, considering I know there are far more extreme styles of metal than Manowar play, but I'm normally good at separating the music from the performers, so it's not likely to be this). I'll keep trying in the hopes that it does happen, although I'm starting to lose hope that it will... Loading...

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559Russia Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 03:46



Written by Rasputin on 14.04.2013 at 03:18



Yeah, you are hitting the right era, you also have Fighting the World, Kings of Metal, Into Glory Ride. I grew up on them, so they will always have a place in my CD Player But I know what you mean. In USA for the ones who know who they are, they are regarded as cheesy metal, and I cannot really argue with that, because they are over the top with imagery and philosophy. Their lyrics are...eh, to repetetive. If they do not use Steel at least 15 times, it is not a Manowar album

Yeah, they are just there, I feel your sentiment.



There actually is a drinking game on the internet involving Manowar and "Steel", IIRC, is one of the words which you have to take a drink on.



It's actually odd that Manowar haven't clicked with me: normally, any band who combines good melodic singing and/or high falsetto screaming with well written music will have me wanting to listen (which is probably why I love Judas Priest as much as I do: they nicely hit all the criteria). Manowar, however, don't seem to want to click for some reason (although I will admit I'm not fond of their habit of proclaiming they are probably the only true metal warriors out there, considering I know there are far more extreme styles of metal than Manowar play, but I'm normally good at separating the music from the performers, so it's not likely to be this). I'll keep trying in the hopes that it does happen, although I'm starting to lose hope that it will...



Oh my, with a Manowar song, you would be drunk in 2 minutes



Yeah, I think I know what you mean. For instance. I also used to love Hammerfall, but lately, they are just not clicking with me, so i can definitely see what you are talking about.



Wishful thinking my friend Oh my, with a Manowar song, you would be drunk in 2 minutesYeah, I think I know what you mean. For instance. I also used to love Hammerfall, but lately, they are just not clicking with me, so i can definitely see what you are talking about.Wishful thinking my friend Loading...

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1469Canada Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 03:46



It's actually odd that Manowar haven't clicked with me: normally, any band who combines good melodic singing and/or high falsetto screaming with well written music will have me wanting to listen





I don't find it odd at all. You mention well written music. As far as I'm concerned, Manowar is the total opposite: their music is extremely pedestrian, overly simple, mediocre, repetitive, bland and ultimately boring. I don't find it odd at all. You mention well written music. As far as I'm concerned, Manowar is the total opposite: their music is extremely pedestrian, overly simple, mediocre, repetitive, bland and ultimately boring. ----

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From: UK Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 03:44



Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 02:49



That's actually why I've recently started being interested in live DVDs. Even if a show is completely overdubbed (while not to the extreme I've just mentioned, it does happen), you get the actual feeling of what it's like to see the band live and up close, so you can see what the band is like live without necessarily spending ridiculous amounts of money on live gigs (thinking about some of the bigger bands here). With a live album, you've basically just got the best performances of those song across the entire tour, which loses some of the appeal of a live show due to the fact you know they are from differentshows and loses the appeal of a studio album because...well, it's not a studio album. Some live albums can be good if there is something special about them (for example, you have guest vocalists for every song and it's not something you normally do), but, generally, I pass them over.





The main reason why I'm not fond of live albums is, when it comes to Metal, one of the most important thing for me is atmosphere. You get it on a studio album but it is lost on a live album.

Also, when I listen to Metal albums, I always listen to them in their entirety, from start to end, without skipping songs. For me, a good album is more than simply the sum of all individual songs. So, listening to the songs in the context of the entire album is not the same experience than barely listening to different songs from different albums mixed up.



While I disagree that the atmosphere is completely lost in a live setting as opposed to a studio one (sometimes, a live setting can make large songs sounds HUGE because they were tailor made for that setting), I understand your point there. I agree with your other point, despite usually liking to hear individual songs off of albums when I'm using my iPod instead of a CD player: sometimes, the flow of the album is much better than any song on the whole album (an example that springs to my mind off the top of my head is Hell's debut, although the songs are still great on that one), so having to take songs out of it and/or perform them in another order ruins the flow that the studio album effortlessly maintained. While I disagree that the atmosphere is completely lost in a live setting as opposed to a studio one (sometimes, a live setting can make large songs sounds HUGE because they were tailor made for that setting), I understand your point there. I agree with your other point, despite usually liking to hear individual songs off of albums when I'm using my iPod instead of a CD player: sometimes, the flow of the album is much better than any song on the whole album (an example that springs to my mind off the top of my head is Hell's debut, although the songs are still great on that one), so having to take songs out of it and/or perform them in another order ruins the flow that the studio album effortlessly maintained. Loading...

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From: UK Written by Lord_Regnier on 14.04.2013 at 03:52



Written by Nemo Atkins on 14.04.2013 at 03:46



It's actually odd that Manowar haven't clicked with me: normally, any band who combines good melodic singing and/or high falsetto screaming with well written music will have me wanting to listen





I don't find it odd at all. You mention well written music. As far as I'm concerned, Manowar is the total opposite: their music is extremely pedestrian, overly simple, mediocre, repetitive, bland and ultimately boring.



That...actually might be why they haven't clicked yet, now you've run that by me. I won't give up on them just yet, but I'm still not going to be like some of the guys who REALLY dislike them. As I said earlier, they'll just...be there. Rather like a book that you keep on your shelf, but never read. That...actually might be why they haven't clicked yet, now you've run that by me. I won't give up on them just yet, but I'm still not going to be like some of the guys who REALLY dislike them. As I said earlier, they'll just...be there. Rather like a book that you keep on your shelf, but never read. Loading...