Prozen Profile Blog Joined May 2007 United States 338 Posts Last Edited: 2010-04-18 01:08:23 #1



Idra BM of course is named after our fellow CJ Entus Progamer, Idra.

Looking good Idra.



Idra has become notorious throughout the Teamliquid community by the way he reacts when he loses to players he wouldn't expect to lose to, especially by cheese. BM statements such as "a useful skill toi have" and "Isn't it funny, you won without doing a single thing" have become Teamliquid memes. But usually, Idra has started becoming more good mannered and even when he does rage quit, it isn't as pure rage as before. Therefore, I characterize Idra BM as more of a lesser, more light-hearted type of BM.

In my own personal opinion, I have no problem with this type of BM. I think a little BM definitely can melt the ice in competitions and ease up players with a little humor involved.





The other type of BM, which I call non-Idra BM, is a different story. I believe this BM is worse than Idra BM, because the player in question who is BMing starts to blame losses on other factors such as lag, which may be even nonexistent. This type of BM may also characterize players who believe they are superior to everyone else and have bursts of invective against other players who they have lost to. Players who may even just do anything to piss another person off just because they lost to that said person. This kind of BM is what I have problems with. This is just pure rage and there's nothing humorous involved. Just all about anger and hate.



No guy, you're not good.



And lately, I have been seeing more non-Idra BM lately in the Beta at the higher levels. It's a shame, because I think the higher players get, the more arrogant and haughty they become and they get all full of themselves. I just wish in the US servers, players would be more good mannered and accept losses with a good spirit. I mean take a look at the European and Asian servers. What exactly is wrong here?



Okay, so as I've been starting to play with higher level players, I've been noticing the amount of bm increase each time. BM of course means Bad-mannered. There are two types of BM that I'll break it down to: Idra BM and non-Idra BM.Idra BM of course is named after our fellow CJ Entus Progamer, Idra.Idra has become notorious throughout the Teamliquid community by the way he reacts when he loses to players he wouldn't expect to lose to, especially by cheese. BM statements such as "a useful skill toi have" and "Isn't it funny, you won without doing a single thing" have become Teamliquid memes. But usually, Idra has started becoming more good mannered and even when he does rage quit, it isn't as pure rage as before. Therefore, I characterize Idra BM as more of a lesser, more light-hearted type of BM.In my own personal opinion, I have no problem with this type of BM. I think a little BM definitely can melt the ice in competitions and ease up players with a little humor involved.The other type of BM, which I call non-Idra BM, is a different story. I believe this BM is worse than Idra BM, because the player in question who is BMing starts to blame losses on other factors such as lag, which may be even nonexistent. This type of BM may also characterize players who believe they are superior to everyone else and have bursts of invective against other players who they have lost to. Players who may even just do anything to piss another person off just because they lost to that said person. This kind of BM is what I have problems with. This is just pure rage and there's nothing humorous involved. Just all about anger and hate.And lately, I have been seeing more non-Idra BM lately in the Beta at the higher levels. It's a shame, because I think the higher players get, the more arrogant and haughty they become and they get all full of themselves. I just wish in the US servers, players would be more good mannered and accept losses with a good spirit. I mean take a look at the European and Asian servers. What exactly is wrong here? To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.

IndecisivePenguin Profile Blog Joined October 2008 United States 771 Posts #2



I wouldn't want to get all technical and psychoanalytic talking about their possible childhoods and whatnot. I wish more people would be good mannered everywhere in life haha. But I guess it's just something we have to deal with at times. I can't really tell you what's wrong other than that's just the way a lot of people are unfortunately.I wouldn't want to get all technical and psychoanalytic talking about their possible childhoods and whatnot.

Trowabarton756 Profile Blog Joined May 2008 United States 870 Posts #3 We're americans and we hate to lose. http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Trowabarton756

NarutO Profile Blog Joined December 2006 Germany 18817 Posts #4 From my point of view, and who knows me knows I'm really eager and always want to win, its really hard to play an unbalanced game where you sometimes totally play amazing in point of macro and control and still lose due to some imbalanced stuff.



I don't want to break down a balance discussion here, but it explains a lot of anger and rage in the early Sc2 Beta stage. I got no problem with losing in a game the other player played a better game, hell let it even be a cheese, but its definately driving me insane if some Protoss tells me that Terran is far superior and storm doesn't do shit anymore, while he totally rapes my army even though he got hit by 6 EMPs and I got like 20 Tanks on a cliff-_-



So... also you have to see that its not only Sc:BW players now, its W3, C&C, WOW... etc Commentator Polt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.

PokePill Profile Blog Joined March 2009 United States 1048 Posts Last Edited: 2010-04-18 01:22:21 #5 Being bad manner is fun(ny). Maybe I'm the only one but I love bming after the game and the follow up whispers I get, which are even more BM. And then when you WIN next time and use the offensive BM it's even funnier. Players that are BM are the people who aren't cowards, and aren't afraid to speak their minds anonymously over the internet.

Romantic Profile Joined January 2010 United States 1844 Posts #6 Do people seriously care if someone "BMs" you? Hahahaha welcome to the internet, clowns.



NOT GOOD MANNERED, IM RAGING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE RAGING.



Get over it already

Prozen Profile Blog Joined May 2007 United States 338 Posts #7 On April 18 2010 10:21 Romantic wrote:

Do people seriously care if someone "BMs" you? Hahahaha welcome to the internet, clowns.



NOT GOOD MANNERED, IM RAGING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE RAGING.



Get over it already

You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect. You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect. To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.

Romantic Profile Joined January 2010 United States 1844 Posts #8 The point is? Do you want to ban people for expressing their lack of enjoyment? It is a video game with a chat feature. It is meant to be FUN.



The simple fact that I know people get seriously hotnbothered by bad manners makes me do it even more

PokePill Profile Blog Joined March 2009 United States 1048 Posts Last Edited: 2010-04-18 01:31:50 #9 On April 18 2010 10:24 Prozen wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 18 2010 10:21 Romantic wrote:

Do people seriously care if someone "BMs" you? Hahahaha welcome to the internet, clowns.



NOT GOOD MANNERED, IM RAGING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE RAGING.



Get over it already

You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect. You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect.



Idra isn't notorious for lighthearted BM, he's notorious for calling people "faggots" and "fucking homos" after losses. I don't see how someone can see that kind of BM not being as bad as someone saying "you are terrible and lucky" at the end of a game. The only reason he doesn't do that anymore is because he's in the spotlight, not because he's lighthearted or changed (lol). Idra isn't notorious for lighthearted BM, he's notorious for calling people "faggots" and "fucking homos" after losses. I don't see how someone can see that kind of BM not being as bad as someone saying "you are terrible and lucky" at the end of a game. The only reason he doesn't do that anymore is because he's in the spotlight, not because he's lighthearted or changed (lol).

Prozen Profile Blog Joined May 2007 United States 338 Posts Last Edited: 2010-04-18 01:36:00 #10 On April 18 2010 10:28 PokePill wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 18 2010 10:24 Prozen wrote:

On April 18 2010 10:21 Romantic wrote:

Do people seriously care if someone "BMs" you? Hahahaha welcome to the internet, clowns.



NOT GOOD MANNERED, IM RAGING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE RAGING.



Get over it already

You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect. You bring up a good point, saying that it's the Internet. Yet keep in mind, something that is really valued in a competitive game like this is respect, integrity, and honor. That means BMing doesn't really fall under those categories. Even Idra does have respect for the players he loses to even though in the immediate aftermath of the game he may not show it. Players who exhibit the second type of BM which I like to coin as "Non-Idra BM" don't even have this respect.



Idra isn't notorious for lighthearted BM, he's notorious for calling people "faggots" and "fucking homos" after losses. I don't see how someone can see that kind of BM not being as bad as someone saying "you are terrible and lucky" at the end of a game. The only reason he doesn't do that anymore is because he's in the spotlight, not because he's lighthearted or changed (lol). Idra isn't notorious for lighthearted BM, he's notorious for calling people "faggots" and "fucking homos" after losses. I don't see how someone can see that kind of BM not being as bad as someone saying "you are terrible and lucky" at the end of a game. The only reason he doesn't do that anymore is because he's in the spotlight, not because he's lighthearted or changed (lol).

I don't think so actually. I think his staying in Korea, where a lot of good-mannered progamers reside, has really changed him. I didn't say he was notorious for lighthearted BM. I know he is notorious for his huge disrespectful BM, but that was before he changed. I refer to the way he BMs now just as "Idra BM" because I don't think he BMs out of pure rage now, I believe there's some humor involved in it nowadays. He definitely doesn't BM out of pure rage now just because he's in the spotlight. He's done that before actually.



I don't think so actually. I think his staying in Korea, where a lot of good-mannered progamers reside, has really changed him. I didn't say he was notorious for lighthearted BM. I know he is notorious for his huge disrespectful BM, but that was before he changed. I refer to the way he BMs now just as "Idra BM" because I don't think he BMs out of pure rage now, I believe there's some humor involved in it nowadays. He definitely doesn't BM out of pure rage now just because he's in the spotlight. He's done that before actually. The point is? Do you want to ban people for expressing their lack of enjoyment? It is a video game with a chat feature. It is meant to be FUN.



The simple fact that I know people get seriously hotnbothered by bad manners makes me do it even more

This perhaps may apply to your average player just playing the game for fun, but the type of players that I am referring to who competitive players, who play for the money and fame. This perhaps may apply to your average player just playing the game for fun, but the type of players that I am referring to who competitive players, who play for the money and fame. To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.

DrivE Profile Blog Joined January 2010 United States 2525 Posts #11 The only bm i see in sc2 right now is people not gg ing but I really don't mind it LUCK IS NO EXCUSE

Romantic Profile Joined January 2010 United States 1844 Posts #12 Well, if they play for money then it might be a bad business investment. Let 'em have at it. If they play for fame... you're making threads about them so they are doing something right.



There, debate solved.

Prozen Profile Blog Joined May 2007 United States 338 Posts #13 On April 18 2010 10:45 Romantic wrote:

Well, if they play for money then it might be a bad business investment. Let 'em have at it. If they play for fame... you're making threads about them so they are doing something right.



There, debate solved.

That's a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how some players are becoming more arrogant as they get better and start to get BM, not about why they BM. That's a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how some players are becoming more arrogant as they get better and start to get BM, not about why they BM. To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.

Kare Profile Joined March 2009 Norway 773 Posts #14 deal with it, its the world ^^ In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.

Kenpachi Profile Blog Joined August 2009 United States 9303 Posts #15 WWE Progaming!!!! Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.

Zapdos_Smithh Profile Blog Joined October 2008 Canada 2602 Posts #16 What do you expect when you are playing a competitive game vs anonymous, teen-age/young adult male opponents?



And yes hostility does tend to increase when experience increases I've found.

Exteray Profile Blog Joined June 2007 United States 1094 Posts #17 How do you know when he blames on lag theres actually no lag? For the majority of the games I play, for example, it lags the entire game for me and it doesn't lag for the opponent

Prozen Profile Blog Joined May 2007 United States 338 Posts #18 On April 18 2010 13:09 Exteray wrote:

How do you know when he blames on lag theres actually no lag? For the majority of the games I play, for example, it lags the entire game for me and it doesn't lag for the opponent

For example, it will lag for like probably two seconds when a drop screen shows up and when your opponent loses, he will blame his loss entirely on that two seconds of lag that was probably insignificant. Those kinds of things I am talking about. For example, it will lag for like probably two seconds when a drop screen shows up and when your opponent loses, he will blame his loss entirely on that two seconds of lag that was probably insignificant. Those kinds of things I am talking about. To transcend beyond greatness, you must become greatness itself.

EPO Profile Joined August 2009 Canada 341 Posts #19 On April 18 2010 10:20 PokePill wrote:

Players that are BM are the people who aren't cowards, and aren't afraid to speak their minds anonymously over the internet.



I kinda see what you're saying, but then it's pretty contradictory with the whole anonymous thing. I kinda see what you're saying, but then it's pretty contradictory with the whole anonymous thing.

RageOverdose Profile Blog Joined December 2009 United States 663 Posts #20 On April 18 2010 10:53 Prozen wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 18 2010 10:45 Romantic wrote:

Well, if they play for money then it might be a bad business investment. Let 'em have at it. If they play for fame... you're making threads about them so they are doing something right.



There, debate solved.

That's a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how some players are becoming more arrogant as they get better and start to get BM, not about why they BM. That's a non-sequitur. I'm talking about how some players are becoming more arrogant as they get better and start to get BM, not about why they BM.



I remember this in Call of Duty 2 back when it was all over the leagues.



Tons of players who were good (not great) that put themselves in some sort of imaginary spotlight, and would trash people constantly when they were challenged or things didn't go their way. They would lose and just refused to accept defeat. Then I remember seeing a lot of the higher level players, the guys who actually would go beyond CAL-O into CAL-I or CPL or CEVO-P, and they'd have a lot more restraint and respect for people, although it wasn't always the case. Then I always get stories that Quake players are really respectful, and for the most part, Starcraft players seem to be pretty good, although I think this "demographic" is going to become more prominent as it becomes more apparent there's competition to be had. I do remember years ago on Bnet, though, many players with horrid attitudes.



I can't tell if it's just ego, or if they are just desperate to be something really bad that they get defensive or try to put themselves in that position in their head.







I remember this in Call of Duty 2 back when it was all over the leagues.Tons of players who were good (not great) that put themselves in some sort of imaginary spotlight, and would trash people constantly when they were challenged or things didn't go their way. They would lose and just refused to accept defeat. Then I remember seeing a lot of the higher level players, the guys who actually would go beyond CAL-O into CAL-I or CPL or CEVO-P, and they'd have a lot more restraint and respect for people, although it wasn't always the case. Then I always get stories that Quake players are really respectful, and for the most part, Starcraft players seem to be pretty good, although I think this "demographic" is going to become more prominent as it becomes more apparent there's competition to be had. I do remember years ago on Bnet, though, many players with horrid attitudes.I can't tell if it's just ego, or if they are just desperate to be something really bad that they get defensive or try to put themselves in that position in their head.

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