For the last decade, Tim Heidecker — along with his comedy partner Eric Wareheim — has proven to be one of our cult-comedy greats with his Adult Swim series Tim & Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! and Tim & Eric’s Bedtime Stories. He’s starred in indie films and played sold out stand-up sets around the world. Heidecker’s latest show, Beef House , premieres on Adult Swim on March 29. (Photo by Cara Robbins)

On the latest episode of the Talkhouse Film Podcast, comedian Tim Heidecker sits down with Adam Curtis, the BBC filmmaker whose sprawling, epic political documentaries about have in recent years made him a cult figure. In a highly engaged conversation, the two discuss Curtis’ past making films about “talented animals,” tropes in current pop music (and how dull music in docs is), Donald Trump, how John Oliver and Jon Stewart contributed to Trump’s success, the power of storytelling in politics, and much more. For more filmmakers talking film and TV, visit Talkhouse Film at talkhouse.com/film.

The music featured in the podcast is as follows:

1. Intro / outro underscore: “Plastic Man vs. the Giant Red Phase of the Sun” – Iced Ink

Episode recorded by Susan Valot and mixed by Mark Yoshizumi; the Talkhouse podcast producer is Elia Einhorn.