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Full MemberActivity: 131Merit: 100 The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 20, 2015, 09:06:31 PM

Last edit: August 21, 2015, 10:51:35 PM by ChetnotAtkins #1 Lets compile a nice list of all the various attackers and professional FUD spreaders whose alterior motives in supporting XT shine through.





meono - account was created just for the blocksize debate; spends a lot of energy perpetuating lies and deflecting from facts

sAt0sHiFanClub - shorts Bitcoin; profits from Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt

LiteCoinGuy - is invested in Litecoin; profits from FUD and Bitcoin's schism

JorgeStolfi - Buttcoin veteran; multi-year FUD expert; measures his profit in comedy gold derived from misery in the Bitcoin sphere

Coinwallet.eu - 'stress test' Bitcoin through dust spam to create an artifical urgency for increased blocksize; have been quoted supporting XT

Cryddit - altcoin developer; profits from alienating Bitcoin's userbase towards alternative cryptocurrencies







My personal stance: To clarify, I am definitely against XT in any shape or form. It would hand over the control of the code base to two people who have shown that they are willing to seriously damage Bitcoin to gain the control they desire. To influence as large a part of the community as possible, they employ manipulative rhetorics and tactics, implying urgency that is simply not present, relying on the casual belief that larger blocks would mean a greater userbase (=moon) all with blatant disregard of the severe damage their planned schism is causing. What has ever caused more Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt in the Bitcoin sphere than XT? Why choose 75% as the necessary consensus? Well, because they know they would never reach full consensus. They are willing to simply drop 25% just to enforce their own agenda. That is nonsensical, dangerous and astonishingly stupid.

I am certainly critical of Blockstream, my personal choice would be a dynamic blocksize increase, implemented in BitcoinCore when it is really needed to not alienate a large part of this unique community.

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Hero MemberActivity: 714Merit: 500 Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 20, 2015, 09:51:35 PM #3 So, now you made a whole thread about personal attacking people.



That makes me mad, since I am not on that list. I really put a lot of effort here in the last few days. Just look at my posting history. I think, I deserve to be on that list. https://forum.bitcoin.com/

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Hero MemberActivity: 532Merit: 500Warning: Confrmed Gavinista Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 20, 2015, 09:57:46 PM

Last edit: August 20, 2015, 10:08:06 PM by sAt0sHiFanClub #5



Is it because he called you a hypocritical asshole, while I only called you a duplicitous fraud?



Is this the new fork? The new race to consensus?



Since you seem to be as shoddy at your research as you are at taking a position on bitcoin, allow me to give you a little deeper insight....



Quote from: sAt0sHiFanClub on May 06, 2015, 05:14:57 PM Quote from: Fatman3001 on May 06, 2015, 04:42:54 PM

Please keep pointing out flaws, but if you want to be taken seriously I would recommend that you build your own argument rather than keep defending our resident tl,dr-troll.



I don't 'defend' him, just his right to his opinion. I agree with a lot of what he says, but wouldn't share the same level of skepticism he has. But in the end of the day it is just a personal view, and any intelligent person knows they must make their own minds up about it while making sure they have all the relevant facts.



Anyway, I'm not always negative. I think bitcoin makes plenty of nice, quiet advances everyday. In my own business, we have taken almost 200BTC in revenues, and paid out over 80BTC to freelancers since January. Bullish! Indeed.... But I cant get others to get involved because every time they look into it they find crackpots and scammers.



I don't 'defend' him, just his right to his opinion. I agree with a lot of what he says, but wouldn't share the same level of skepticism he has. But in the end of the day it is just a personal view, and any intelligent person knows they must make their own minds up about it while making sure they have all the relevant facts.Anyway, I'm not always negative. I think bitcoin makes plenty of nice, quiet advances everyday. In my own business, we have taken almost 200BTC in revenues, and paid out over 80BTC to freelancers since January. Bullish! Indeed.... But I cant get others to get involved because every time they look into it they find crackpots and scammers. How come meono gets ahead of me???Is it because he called you a hypocritical asshole, while I only called you a duplicitous fraud?Is this the new fork? The new race to consensus?Since you seem to be as shoddy at your research as you are at taking a position on bitcoin, allow me to give you a little deeper insight.... We must make money worse as a commodity if we wish to make it better as a medium of exchange

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500Never ending parties are what Im into. Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 21, 2015, 02:39:42 AM #14

The one thing I dont like is the censorship that has shown up relating to this on reddit but I always get caught up in the small details. ) So many threads its not easy sorting out whats going on. Litecoinguy has always helped and posted really informative videos, so if he is for it I will have to look into this more.The one thing I dont like is the censorship that has shown up relating to this on reddit but I always get caught up in the small details.

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500Never ending parties are what Im into. Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 21, 2015, 03:41:42 AM #18 That article helped me a lot. Will read what the other side has to say before making up my mind but I like not being controlled by the banking system and will support core for that reason alone.

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LegendaryActivity: 3318Merit: 1140 Re: The biggest XT shills and their true motives August 21, 2015, 04:40:23 AM #19



Quote The nice thing about allowing attackers to use a forum is that it becomes possible to pin people who have put in a lot of effort. Looking through the now-locked thread, I identify some of the primary petites taches de merde as so:



- cypherdoc

- justusranvier

- peter r

- solex

- erdogan

- zarathustra

- smooth/rocks

- majamalu

- stolfi (honorable mention - still as active as ever elsewhere.)



Some of them have really put in some effort over the years. Others not mentioned are more likely to simply have been duped. Interestingly, when I was doing a quick skim to make this list I noticed that most of these folks went dark within a stretch of hours of when cypherdoc did.



Here's my contribution culled from the epic (and now defunct) 1500 page 'gold collapsing, bitcoin up' thread: sig spam anywhere and self-moderated threads on the pol&soc board are for losers.