Phusius I guess I don't really understand how video cards work then, if it can beat the 680 that makes no sense to me. I thought being 192 bit made it slower as well, heh. Oh, well I will stick with my 7950 now that I have it. 12.7 beta drivers show a 7970 Ghz edition wiping the floor of the 680, and then I hear of both sides bashing each other back and forth. So I will just keep my 7950, can't handle the fanboyism anymore.

Phusius I wonder if this will come close to beating my 7950 in most games, I got my 7950 with custom cooler from Msi for only 309.99 after rebate...

I just call it math...because GPUs are basically just logic units arranged differently.Those Twin Frozr cards are a good deal.Simply look at 1344sp (+ 7x32 SFU) as 1568 Radeon cores, it's just easier that way.1792/1568 * 800 (7950 stock speed) = 914.xx mhz...aka 660ti/670 base clock.980mhz (turbo clock) =1280sp @ 1225mhz or 1536 @ 1000.xx mhzThe first shows the point is for shader performance on these parts to equal a stock 7950 at worst case. The later is both the base 7870 will overclock and what nvidia likely expects 8850 to be. On paper it will equal a 7950 or '8850'. These clocks are all calculated...TO BEAT/Match AMD IN REVIEWS at certain metrics...just like the extra 2mhz on the ram looks better on a spec list or box.The reality is 7950 has a similarly optimal shader/rop ratio to 660ti, it also has the bandwidth to back up it's ipc/clock potential. 660ti will bottleneck itself because of bandwidth likely around it's tdp limits (it could conceivably do up to ~1100/7000 like 670). 7950 ofc has bw to spare and volts/clocks very well. It is a sound purchase. The purpose of 660ti is to LOOK good against a stock 7950, but it's market is to beat the 7870 and compete with 8850.To each their own, but in the end logic will prevail for those that care.It will be a good card when it is priced between 7870 (post next price drop) and 7950.