mcrow: mcrow: Like I said, there are reasons that it could also reduce the chance of conception as well.

I don’t think so. But I could be wrong. Can you specify?

This is definitely a complicated situation as far as being morally correct.

I can see we really come at this issue from different perspectives. As a priest once said to me: “Within the marital act, there is no reason a Catholic couple should not have a whompin’ good time in bed.” To me it is very straightforward, as long as the act is open to conception and unitive nature between a Sacramentally married man and woman, everything else is simply between them. Whatever they like, because it’s all okay to just do stuff together because it feels good.

I think we can all agree that ideally both the man and woman would reach climax about the same time

No, I don’t agree. Look, I’ve been alone now for, well, a VERY long time, but my memory is quite vivid. Sometimes together, sometimes whatever. Personally, I liked to not be busy when he was so I was paying complete attention to what he was experiencing. (Sheesh, this is getting a bit - anyway) so there is no ideal. It’s about what the couple likes and wants. And that might change from one day to the next or morning to night.

and that self stimulating to finish is the same as masturbation.

Well, no, I can’t agree with that either. It can be mutually stimulating, sometimes as foreplay (remember, she can have numerous orgasms and should). The more stimulated he is, the more powerful his orgasm is, and that means more sperm closer to the hoop as it were. Sometimes just as continuous action. And can be helpful both unitively and reproductively. And also a lot of fun for them both.

I think I have covered this issue as thoroughly as it needs to be from my perspective.