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So Marcus…

[Marcus London]: Yes.

[Angel Donovan]: I have to say, like in your videos you kind of come across as I’d say chivalrous.

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Is that how your friends describe you?

[Marcus London]: I’m the James Bond of porn, didn’t you know? [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, it’s not really the stereotype.

[Marcus London]: No, it isn’t. No. I’ve totally broken that mold. I wouldn’t say… I mean, obviously I’m from London, but I was born in Hampstead Heath. I come from the posh end, I guess you could say, and I’ve grown up pretty well in that respect. I haven’t kind of wanted for anything. So I wouldn’t say I was silver-spoon-fed, but I’m pretty okay. So I guess I’d always kind of mixed in a good circle. As much as I’ve been around bad ones, I’ve been around very good ones. So I guess my speech comes out a little bit more kind of classier than the, “Hello mate, how's it going, alright?” you know?

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] Although you can do it very well.

[Marcus London]: I can do it. I’ve been around it. You know, I’ve worked in so many different facets in London in all kinds of manners of—we’ll get into that. So yeah, I guess I kind of [00:02:01] respect. I guess that's because I like to treat women a certain way and I talk to them a certain way, and that's relevant to my success in porno, so in being with women in general. I found that if you treat them the right way and you talk to them the right way, you get more things out of them. You gain more respect and you get more at the end of the day. So I start with a certain way of being around women especially, of course, in business.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, excellent. Well, I think it works well for you. [Laughs] It really…

[Marcus London]: It seems to. It seems to.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah. So how old are you now?

[Marcus London]: I’m actually 45, so I’m getting old.

[Angel Donovan]: Forty-five, yeah, you’re looking good for your age, you know.

[Marcus London]: Oh yeah, thank God.

[Angel Donovan]: You know, the 40s, it’s more like 30s

[Marcus London]: Yeah, the new 30s, right?

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: So in one of your interviews I saw, you mentioned that you had slept with a lot of women before becoming a porn star.

[Marcus London]: Mm-hmm. Oh yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, yeah, way before.

[Marcus London]: Oh yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: Can you give me some kind of rough estimate of how many that we’re talking about here?

[Marcus London]: About 500, I would think.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, that's a big number, so I kind of wanted to get into that a little bit because, you know, we talk about dating advice and sex advice and the whole slew of it, so meeting girls is a little bit of a part of that. Like that's a pretty incredible number. I think that's outlandish for most guys to actually…

[Marcus London]: Well, what’s interesting… No, it’s a huge number, but what makes it even more outlandish, I was in 27 years of relationships while I managed to sleep with 500 women. [Laughs] So you do the math on that. I probably only had four years of freedom in 27.

[Angel Donovan]: Wow.

[Marcus London]: So obviously I wasn’t the most faithful of men, obviously, but yeah I think it had a lot to do with my careers because I went from—and obviously we're jumping into my background—I went from, before porn, my first ever job I used to work on the cruise lines going around the world, world cruises, for P&O Cruises. So, of course, already I’m a sailor, port to port, merchant navy sea, whatever you call it.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay.

[Marcus London]: Women on the boat, girls on ports, different ports, whatever. And then when I had my 15 weeks off between work, I would be in nightclubs all the time in London. So of course that really enabled me, one, because I’m out and about and I’m meeting people in my job traveling around the world, I’m much more outgoing than the average man, possibly.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, you had social nightlife, social jobs, right?

[Marcus London]: Exactly, very much so. So I’ve gone from if you think running, you know, on the boats, working as silver service and cocktail barman. So I have contact with constant people. Then I’ve gone from that to running my dad’s pubs and bars for many years, going to nightclubs straight after the bar and being there till 4 or 5 six nights a week.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: Then a male stripper for 10 years, then running strip clubs.

[Angel Donovan]: I’m seeing a progression here. I wasn’t aware of your male stripping.

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: Yeah. So, you know, all those manner of different jobs have put me in front of women constantly, and I’ve gone from me being a barman, which I had more I guess success with women as a barman than as a porn star, because they come for a drink, I flirt with them, I chat them up, I give them a free drink, and next minute we’re sleeping together. That's kind of how it kind of works. Then of course from that to running strip clubs, now I’m working with 300 strippers and I’m their manager. Do the math, you know. Whether they’re into me or not, I’m going to get a piece of the action one way or the other. Even if I’m useless at whatever, I’m going to get more than the average male. So between that, stripping, going to do five to seven different strip joints a night going as a male stripper, whether it be restaurant-based, whether it be club, hotel, or their house, you know, I’m the man they’re going to abuse. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right, right.

[Marcus London]: And women are worse than us. When we’re getting a stripper or we go and have a stripper, we stay on our asses and we’re like quiet and we don’t do too much. But women, they will rip the clothes off your back as a group. When a group of women get together, it’s a dangerous situation. I’ve been handcuffed in a bar in Hendon naked as a policeman for an hour. You know, I’ve been scratched, I’ve had my g-string pulled up, and cut myself to pieces. I have had women literally rape me in the street, try and pull my pants down to give me a blowjob while I’m trying to get in my car after finishing the job. So technically speaking, when you get women together in that kind of situation, they’re fearless.

[Angel Donovan]: Wow.

[Marcus London]: So, obviously, when you combine all that to the person that I am naturally, of course I’ve had a lot of success. I don’t think anyone couldn’t have [laughs] a lot of success, you know?

[Angel Donovan]: Right. It seems like it’s been a pretty smooth transition because, you know, I mean a lot of people work in bars and I’ve had experience in bars, and there's definitely that factor helps you with the girls, right? The girls come up to the bar and so on.

[Marcus London]: Definitely.

[Angel Donovan]: And you just kept kind of moving up that ladder into more sexual jobs, even more social positions.

[Marcus London]: Yup, exactly, and I think that was… I mean, that was a good position for me to be in because, honestly, being from the bar, I’m more extremely open to talking to people. I know how to talk to women. It became my job.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: But all I wanted to do there was my job, make them feel good, make them buy a drink, make them want to come back, and of course, in the process obviously I get them to like me, and I know how to deal with women. I know what works. That's my job, my playground, is learning how to flirt with women and make people feel good.

So from that to running a nightclub or a strip club, again, very social, having to deal with customers, male and female, and of course, strippers, obviously; and then becoming a male stripper and doing that on the backside of running the bars at the same time; and then doing photographic nude modeling to eventually do softcore and then hardcore photographic magazine work; and then hardcore porn. You know, it really was a stepladder to the summit of really the high of sexual contact with the opposite sex.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. This is an interesting aspect of like how kind of men learn about their sexuality. Would you say it was kind of like a step-by-step progression and, you know, you’re not thinking about the ultimate, you know, you’re going to…

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: You don’t even have that like dream of being a porn star one day and having an idea of that lifestyle but it’s kind of something that you slowly get sucked into in your mind and your outlook changes as you go kind of deeper and deeper in that direction.

[Marcus London]: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think, you know, again, I had a lot of sex obviously for those reasons and the fact that I was in the bar industry, the stripping industry and all that. And of course I realized from doing that I had a lot of experience with a lot of different women, which taught me a number of things anyway. I even found out a little bit about squirting at that point, and we’ll go into that later. And that transition from having sex with women, multiple women, regularly, every night, two or three times a night, whatever, I even had girls phoning me up and referring me or referring their friends to me.

You know, I met this girl, and I can’t remember, it was during the time I think it was probably around in the bars or something, and I would have sex with this girl and then literally she said, “Can I give you my friend’s number?” And I’m like, “Why would I want your friend’s number?” “Well, because I think she’d want to fuck you.” And I’m like, “Is this a fucking referral?”

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: “Interesting.” And then she literally said, “Can you give her a call?” I was like, “Fine,” and I called her and I said, “Hi.” And she said, “Hey, my friend said you’re a good fuck.” I went, “Yeah, I guess she said that.” And she was like, “Do you mind if I come over?” I’m like, “Be my guest. Come on.” And it was strange. It was bizarre and funny enough. And they came over, she came over and I fucked her as well and whatnot. And that was an unusual situation. It was bizarre.

And I had the same thing with strippers. I literally went to a strip club in Birmingham, great strippers, had a lot of fun, I'd go for a week with my friends. And I was there for four nights, and every single night I took a new stripper home. And the one I really wanted in the beginning I didn’t get till the fourth night, and she was like, “You know what? I would love to have slept with you but you fucked my three friends.” I’m like, “Well, they must have fucked me for a reason.” And eventually I fucked her as well.

It was bizarre. Still to this day I find it hard to believe. But people want what other people have got, and I guess, you know, you can handle yourself a certain way and women are interested. They get caught into that trap of wanting to know, “What did she have and what did she get?” and “I want to try that,” and it works.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, it sounds like you developed a reputation for good sex, and as we know girls talk about these things.

[Marcus London]: Sure. They really do talk. Sure. I think really what it was when you say good sex, what I think the biggest problem, and this goes across the board with most males, especially regular males, not so much porn but regular men that are out there looking for women, they have one thing on their mind and that's to fuck a girl that they fancy or whatever and come and leave.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And that's alright, but the problem is if they don’t please the woman in bed with the sex that they have with these women, what they do is they damage their own reputation.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: And what happens then, if they do an amazing job—and it sounds like it’s a job but it’s not, but I have to look at it that way because it is my job—if they do an amazing job and they give a woman a lot of pleasure, that can only benefit them in the long-term, whether it be the woman wants to stay with him or whether she talks to her friends about that guy.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And of course, as you said, women talk, that gets around, and the guy becomes a super-stud. But most guys couldn’t care about that. They’re just looking at a numbers game, but what they’re forgetting is if they did this right they would be at the head of the numbers game, and I just think a lot of guys miss that. And even when I slept with women that I wasn’t interested in and was not into, I still gave them 110% because I don’t want that to hurt my reputation.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm. So that was actually something you were thinking about, you were thinking about your reputation?

[Marcus London]: Yes. Yeah. I was like, you know what? I don’t want them to go to their friends and say, “Yeah, he was useless.” That’d be terrible. That’d be horrible. That's just the same as someone saying, “He's an asshole. He's nasty.” So I try and be nice to everyone and anyone I fuck I’m going to fuck them well, because that's the whole…

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Well, that's also like life in general, be nice to everyone.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, and I think just I guess I treated my sex life that same way, you know, do business as I would physically, and this was my business, so I just… And I don’t know whether that was just an ego thing, you know, back then when I was very young and I carried that on, or if that was really something that I felt was important. You know, I think it probably was an ego thing more than anything, that I wanted to be perceived as being really good, you know.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: And I guess that's what’s transported me to where I am and what I do today, and I approach everything I do the same way. If I can’t do it well, I won’t waste my time doing it.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Well, that's a great attitude. I mean, I think you’re going to say that your personal lifestyle didn’t really change that much, but I’m going to ask you this anyway, like when you actually made the transition to porn star, did you find that your personal sex life, that changed as well, or wasn’t there really any change?

[Marcus London]: It’s kind of hard to really put my finger on how, if, it changed. I think it developed differently. I don’t think it changed. I just think it… It’s hard to say because my interaction was not with the general public anymore. The people I was having sex with were porn stars. I never went outside. Very rarely did I go outside of the network of porn, because you don’t really meet people outside of porn. When you’re in porn, you don’t really mix with anyone else.

Since I’ve been in America, I mean, when I was in London it was different and when I was a porn star in England it was different, but when I was here, when I’d been here, for one, I never really went out that much, and if I did it was with other porn people, so it was still in that porn environment. And you know, there were women also that come up to me that obviously would know who I was or found out and then obviously wanted to try me out, whatever. So there were some non-porn women I would be with, but very limited actually. Very limited. I mean, I can probably count the non-porn women on both hands in the last five years that I’ve been with, other than maybe swinger females that are in the swinging community. But for straightforward women off the street, hardly any. It’s just not been going on.

[Angel Donovan]: So it’s kind of the case when you go into the porn industry it really is going to have a big impact on your life, as kind of what you’re saying.

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: It’s going to define your relationships.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, but... Yes, definitely. I mean, if you want to speak about some of my best friends, Tommy Gunn, one of the biggest stars in the business, in the last 10 years he's had three relationships and they’ve all been porn stars.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: Because it’s very hard as a porn male to find a nonporn female that wants to have a relationship with a man that's having sex with other women constantly. There are very few women that can deal with that.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And if you flip that the other way, there are probably very few men that really care about a woman, that could deal with that woman having sex with other men and have her coming home to him every night. It’s not something that most regular people can deal with because sex, unfortunately, is extremely personal to most people, whereas to us it comes just a commodity that we live with and we work alongside, and feelings and silly things like holding hands is way more important than who you’re sticking your dick in. Because that's normal, but you hold hands with another person on the street, that's like, “Hold on, that's private. You can’t be doing that.” So our way of looking at life is very different to the average person.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm. So this is like, I mean and of course you’ve got porn movie scenes where you’re with different women.

[Marcus London]: Sure. Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: But does that also translate into your lifestyle? Because you’re married now to Devon Lee, who’s a porn star also, right?

[Marcus London]: Yes. Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So what is your relationship like, like outside of the actual work? Do you also like sleep with other people as well and that's kind of like norm within the porn industry, it’s kind of like how people do it, they’ve got open relationships and so on and it’s very much like that?

[Marcus London]: In most cases, there are an awful lot of people that have that swinging attitude, go out and party. Some have sex with people for fun and do it off-camera, because obviously on-camera’s not as much fun obviously as off.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: It doesn’t matter what you… It really isn’t. So a lot of people have adopted that, and more so since I’ve been around because… And I was one of the first to do this, believe it or not, and I’ve got a lot of people in my industry into that situation in the website that a lot of us are on, and we have done that. Necessarily not something that Devon was ever into and got into because of me more than anything, although she was quite interested as it was new. So I’ve kind of pushed her down that road, although now she’s totally gone against that and she’s totally not into that, and pretty much she isn’t really shooting scenes anymore either. Because like anything, I think after eight to 10 or 15 years or whatever you’re in the business, your mental attitude changes towards that and there comes a time when it’s like that, enough’s enough. You can only have so much good sex, bad sex, whatever, and you realize that you need to kind of tone it down and have something that's private and that's just for you now.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: And I think everyone comes to that. All my friends, all my close friends that have been in the business for a long time are at that point now where they don’t really want to share what they have on camera with all this. They don’t really want their girlfriend or their wife being seen on camera anymore.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: I think it’s an age thing. I think as we get older we start thinking, “You know what? It was great when we were young but we’re not young people anymore and I don’t really want to display this anymore.” And I think that's a natural…

[Angel Donovan]: So you said Devon’s kind of gone that route, so you sound like you’re going the same way.

[Marcus London]: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I’m not into, honestly, now having sex with random people anymore. That part of my life is over. It’s empty sex now compared to what it used to be. I used to get a big thrill out of it. I don’t get that anymore. The only thrill I still have is making women squirt. That's my biggest thrill. For the first time, that's what does it for me. But again, even that, outside of work is not something that I will do much anymore at all, apart from work, which I’m trying to limit my exposure now and work on more direction and production and invest in movies and get more mainstream things on the go, which is really where I’m heading. That really is where I’m kind of towing the line now and trying to slow down in front of the camera and be more behind and production-wise and stuff like that, and different obviously businesses that I can get my fingers into, just because I feel that I’ve had my time. I’ve done 12 years or more in this business, and it’s time to be normal again and I want to be a little bit more normal.

And I know a lot of people don’t look at us as normal. We are very, very normal, to be honest with you. We’re no different to anybody else. We just have a little bit more experience. We’ve had different life-changing events that have happened because of our sexual prowess, whatever, but there comes a time when that has to be put aside, and it’s time for me to put it aside and be normal. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Well, look, I think there's obviously a lot of stereotypes, especially for younger guys who may be listening to this podcast, 19-year-olds and 17-year-olds that are watching porn these days, obviously has a huge influence over the way they think. It’s probably, you know, for many of them, it’s the first view, perspective on sex they get, right? So it kind of molds them. So I really appreciate you kind of laying everything out there, like how things have been for you and how it is today and kind of the changes there. It’s really good to hear like something authentic about how it really is. Like talking about the influence of porn basically on men today…

[Marcus London]: Uh-huh.

[Angel Donovan]: I mean, like I say, really molds the way they think about good sex when it sets their expectations and what they think it’s going to be like and how it should be, so whether or not they think they’ve had good or bad sex after the fact because they’re setting it against that standard. How would you say porn movie sex compares to the best real world sex, like according to you? Is it the same? Is it different?

[Marcus London]: I don’t really think there's a comparison. Unfortunately, and I found this a lot being in this business, I found that a lot of women, even though they’re not in porn, have unfortunately adopted that they like certain things that they probably didn’t like before but because they’ve watched porn they think it’s right. Like for instance, I’ve had sex with women, and I mean maybe it’s me, I don’t know, again, maybe you’ll know this because you’re a normal guy in the normal world and you’ve had sex with women, whatever, I’ve had girls—but before porn I never experienced this—I’ve had girls that would give a blowjob and would do the deep throat, gagging, like literally trying to choke themselves on me.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And before porn I’d never experienced that. Girls did give blowjobs, but they just gave a regular normal blowjob, which to me is great and fun and that's how it should be. But then I get in porn and then now they know I do what I do for a living, and then these regular girls are literally trying to act like a porn star with me and I’m like, “Why are you doing that when there are no cameras around? What’s the point? It doesn’t feel good.” And I think a lot of women saw this, tried it, maybe they like it, maybe it’s something that they’re getting into, maybe they’ve kind of sworn themselves into being into that kind of form of blowjobs, whatever, but I’ve noticed women have kind of followed suit as well and have adapted to what they’ve seen, and are copying just the way men are copying – women have followed suit. And I think a lot of people come together and have this mishmash of fake porn sex and think it’s the right way to do it, and I am kind of surprised, and I know that the women I’ve come across have done that. A lot of women that haven’t been in porn have done that with me in other ways. And I’ve had women say to me, “Oh, how am I going to please you? You fuck porn stars.” And I’m, “Well, don’t be one and then I’ll be very pleased. Be normal. Let me have something that's regular that belongs to that world.”

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And I think people… And porn has unfortunately diluted the reality behind real sex and what is deemed as being the right way to have sex. And porn has been responsible for that because it’s given the imagery… It’s just the same as in the fifties everyone smoked.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: Everyone smoked because it was cool on TV, and everyone did it. Every film star did it. But now you don’t see it as much and now less people smoke. And I believe that we are very programmable by what we see on TV, what we hear on the radio, and we follow suit like a bunch of rabbits and a bunch of sheep and a bunch of mice, and I think that's the problem with porn. We’ve all started following suit and thinking, ”That's how you do it. That's how a porn star does it. I want to be like a porn star. I’ve got to do it that way.” That's not the right way to do it. You do what suits you. Find your own way.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Well, I mean I think for a lot of people that's actually kind of something difficult to do, to actually come up with their own idea, like get involved in sex from their own perspective. Obviously, 50, 60 years ago before there was so much on TV and around you, they didn’t have those expectations to immediately just kind of start to follow.

[Marcus London]: Yeah. Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: And I know some of the things you’ve talked about in some of your videos and in other courses is like getting into more intimate sex and getting more immersed in it, and that's really about reconnecting with kind of like the real sex without the social expectations around it.

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So it sounds like, anyway, that you’ve kind of got this view of like the show that you put on when you’re doing the movie versus what you go home and you want to do with your wife and you enjoy.

[Marcus London]: Sure. Exactly. And to be honest, when I’m on camera now, and really even in the instructionals and very much so in my feature films, what I’ve been doing, I will not perform as a porn star. I will perform how I want to have sex.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: I’ve stopped for the longest time, which is why you’ll never see me on a gonzo movie and people will not hire me for a gonzo movie, because I will not do acrobatics. I will not do ridiculous stuff that is uncomfortable and not pleasurable. I will do sex how it will best please the woman I’m with, and that is how it should be done. And that's pretty much why I think I’ve had a fairly good female fan base, because I’m not trying to be anything I’m not. I’m just trying to be connected with whoever I’m with, give her as much pleasure and be very much passionately into that person, because that's how I think people should view real sex and, you know, I don’t want to be one of these people that are displaying something that really is not really very true.

And again, connection and spiritualism and being very much at one with someone is the best way to have sex regardless of what you’re physically doing, it enhances things so much better. I don’t care what you physically can or are capable of or how big you physically are, that is not going to be a connection or some kind of interaction with two people that actually really are into the situation. That cannot be amplified by someone with a bigger dick or someone that knows how to use it by being crazy and doing all these wild positions.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: That connection destroys that every time and that's what I try and show as much as I can now.

[Angel Donovan]: Great. Could you just clarify, what is a gonzo movie just for people…?

[Marcus London]: Gonzo is wall-to-wall sex. In other words, there's no story. There's pretty much no dialogue. The camera’s moving constantly all the time. There are no cuts, angles. It’s one flowing seamless shot throughout the scene and it really is just hardcore fucking without any flair or stylized stuff, and really that's really what it is. It’s what really made porn come to the surface and do extremely well. And that came a while back, but it’s still big, of course, obviously, but obviously it has features as well and different forms of instructions and whatnot, but gonzo is basically wall-to-wall sex.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Great. Thanks for that. So are there any specific things that are done in porn movies which you would highly recommend that people don’t do at home? Now, you’ve mentioned a couple of them already, but is there anything else specifically that comes to mind that you would say is really not a good idea to do, it’s not fun for the girl, so don’t…?

[Marcus London]: I think, I mean porn really… I mean, if we’re talking about extreme stuff, when we’re talking about putting baseball bats on girls asses, that's really…

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: Trust me, I’ve seen it. It happens. Three dicks in an… It’s not… It’s circus porn. They want to make everything about essentially how many things and how big a thing they can put in different holes. That's gonzo for you. That's crazy shit. They’re trying to outdo other people.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: I don’t think there's nothing you shouldn’t try, but I think as long as both consenting adults are aware of what they’re going to do and they can experiment with each other, that's half the fun of sex in general, finding out what works for you and what works for her. I don’t think anyone should stick to one thing and one thing alone. That would be very boring. That would be probably the end of your relationship. I think you should grow together, practice together, learn together, talk to each other more than anything—most important thing is communication when it comes to sex—and try and see what works for you both, because one thing he may like and one thing she may not like, and you know not to do it again.

But it would be silly to say don’t try any of it because I think you should try all of it, but don’t try all of it at once. [Laughs] I mean, take baby steps and learn with each other and say, “Okay, I’d like to try anal play but let's just try the finger first. I don’t think you want to shove this 10-inch dildo up your ass because that may just cause a big problem.” So I just think everything in moderation and taking your time with things and learning things. And watching porn isn’t a bad thing by any means, but take it with a pinch of salt.

When you read the paper, read between the lines and make your own judgment on it, and the same as porn – read between the lines, look between the scenes, and find out what you would like to try, and then try it carefully and sensibly and safely.

[Angel Donovan]: Yup. Excellent. So one of the things in the porn industry that comes to mind that really the porn industry has brought out is squirting orgasms, right? Obviously.

[Marcus London]: Mm-hmm.

[Angel Donovan]: Before the porn industry came around, that wasn't something that people knew about, and it’s been kind of made very spectacular in those films.

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: And you’ve developed a big reputation for this in the porn industry, so that's one of the reasons we have you here.

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: Because you’re good at that.

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: So, say I’ve been watching one of these porn movies with squirting orgasms and I’ve seen these great gushes of ejaculate jumping across the room, is that something I should expect when I’m giving a girl a squirting orgasm at home?

[Marcus London]: The interesting thing is it really does vary on the woman. I mean, I’m not going to lie, probably 50%, maybe even more, of those orgasms are faked. They squirt from a douche ball into the woman’s pussy and then shut the camera up and then say go, and she squirts it out. That's what a lot of people do because most men aren’t able to give it and most women aren’t able to do it. So those big crazy ones aren't real for the most part. You name the girl, I'll tell you if it’s real.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay. [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: But, you know, because that's it, I know the girls that can do it and I know the girls that can’t. So there are situations where a lot of these sites do that, and not every girl can squirt or gush. The girls that actually can play with their own clit and make themselves squirt are normally the ones that do that.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: But girls can’t finger themselves to do that. It doesn’t really work that way. And some girls you can use special toys that will get them to that point and they can squirt that hard and it will go 10, 15, even 25 feet. It’s possible.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: And I’ve seen it and it happens. The Cythereas of the world, the Flower Tuccis, the Jada Fires, and a number of other girls are able to do that very easily on command, but very few. And for a man, have I experienced squirting in the real world? Only a handful of times, and I had no idea what the hell it was anyway back then. I mean, I’m talking I’m 20 years old and I’ve got a girl in the back of my car by a lake and I’m fucking her. I just brought her back from the club that I was telling you I was always going to.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: And I would fuck her in the back of the car, and after we’re finished I come pull my trousers up and my trousers are fucking drenched, and I’m like, “What the fuck? Did you just piss all over me? What the hell happened?” And I had no…

[Angel Donovan]: So it’s a complete accident the first time, it sounds like…

[Marcus London]: I had no idea. Well, I was fucking her and she was squirting. I didn’t know. I just thought she was very wet. I didn’t think about it. It was the thrill of the moment. And honestly, afterwards, I was like, “What the fuck did you do to my pants?” And she goes, “I must have squirted.” And I was like, “What the fuck is that?” And she obviously said, “Well, you know, I come like this sometimes.” And I’m like, “Wow, cool.” [Laughs] And I kind of listened and I was like, “Well, that's interesting.”

And then of course other times things have happened, and then I went on the merchant navy sea route and I went to a lot of ports. And believe me in Amsterdam I had hookers, in this place I had hookers, in Amsterdam I had hookers, and one of them while I was fingering her literally exploded everywhere and I was like, “What the fuck’s happening here?” I was like, “This is crazy.” And I asked her and she gave me some back story. She explained what it was, and of course from then on I guess I was very intrigued, because it was kind of a turn-on seeing a woman actually come instead of just, “Okay, are they faking it? Well, this ain't faking it. I see this. This is visually there. This is real. I can see it, touch it, smell it, it’s there.” So I got very interested in that because of that reason, because I was like, “Wow, I know when a girl’s really coming now. I don’t have to guess,” you know?

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And I guess that was what really got me interested in it from that point on, and when I had the chance, with the right situation of course, I would attempt to make a woman squirt either unknowingly or purposely, knowingly. And I guess I learned a little bit from that, but it was only when I got into porn could I really practice that craft, because I’m in control now and I can do whatever I want to this girl. So of course I would apply that every single scene I ever did and learn. Every girl was my little crash test dummy, I guess. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: I think that's an important point you bring up there because, you know, I’ve been using this technique for a while now and a few years ago, a girl I’d only just met, right, so it was the first time we were in bed together and I tried the technique, which I’d tried with many girlfriends before and they loved it…

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: It was actually something they would go and like tell their girlfriends about and they’d be like, “Wow, this amazing thing happened to me,” right?

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So it makes a big impression on them, but for this girl she was like, “Hey, what are you, some kind of gynecologist?” right?

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Because it was outside of her comfort zone and it was obviously… It was something that’s a bit unusual and she didn’t really know what was going on, and I didn’t set it up properly, right?

[Marcus London]: Right.

[Angel Donovan]: So it’s interesting that you bring up that you couldn’t go out and practice this and really refine it until you were in the porn industry.

[Marcus London]: No. Yeah, because, I mean, like you know what it is, it’s a fairly vigorous movement, and you can finger a girl the simple way, but when you do it this way there's a certain amount of pleasure that will overwhelm the girls right away and hopefully they will relax enough and just be kind of so overwhelmed they’ll just let you do it, and then they’ll realize afterwards what happened and, “Wow, that felt amazing,” and that's good.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: But they aren’t, like you said, really are very aware of it, and are freaked out by what’s going on and, “Jesus, you’re rough. What’s going on?” And some aren’t really comfortable with it, and if they do have any idea what it is, even then they may be less comfortable because they’re like, “Oh, I think I’m going to pee myself. Stop, stop, stop. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?” And I would think most men will come across that. And unless you have the dialogue to back that up and say, “Look, it’s not what you think it’s just what it is feeling like. It’s a squirting orgasm. It’s going to be very pleasurable. Just relax and let me show you, and if you don’t then we never have to do it again.” You just have to know how to put that to her and make her feel comfortable and let her do it. Sometimes it’s good just to have sex first and literally leap off her and do it very fast, and most women will come extremely quickly from that.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: But again, like I said, I’ve had that chance to play around like this and know what works the best for me and for anybody else. Normal guys can never that option. It’s not something that's available to them. So it helps to be able to have a video or something like this where I can say this is how and the best way to do it, have her standing up, have her sitting down, it’s easy going to be easy to make it happen much quicker without as much force and whatnot. And therefore, it makes it easier for a guy to try this on a woman without having a bad experience on either party.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Well, there's kind of two bits to this, right? There's what you do with your hands to get the physiological reaction from a woman, but there's also this really important psychology aspect which I brought up, you know, the discomfort and the girl is like, “What’s going to here?”

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: And then you also just mentioned the fact that girls often think that they’re going to pee, which is actually, like in my experience, that's nearly always the case. If she hasn’t had this before, she’s thinking that she’s going to pee.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, exactly. And I try and explain this to men like if you’ve ever been in that situation where you’re busting to go to the toilet and you’ve been hanging on, hanging on, you’re like, “Uhhh,” then think about when you’re just about to come – it’s near enough the same sensation. It’s kind of painful but kind of good, and when it comes out it’s a major relief. It’s the same thing. It travels down the same pipes. It does the same thing. It’s a fluid, a liquid, whatever. The feeling is kind of similar. So of course, when a woman’s going to come that way, she pees that way and she is going to squirt that way. So therefore, it comes from a similar area. There is going to be a sensation that is extremely similar and she will not tell the difference. She will not know which is which.

So if she does hold back because she thinks it’s something, then she will limit and in fact prevent maybe herself squirting. And unfortunately, if she’s not made aware of what’s going on, she is going to stop it. She’s going to want to. She’s going to say “I’m not going to pee all over this guy. That's terrible.”

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And it’s knowledge. It’s just knowledge, and as long as you can convey that and get her trust, you normally… And most women will let you do it, certainly once, and if they like it after that, well, then they’re going to just ask you to do it all the time. So that's the easiest way I can explain it.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, totally. It’s my experience as well. Once they’ve got past that first thing, it’s normally something that they enjoy a lot. I mean, we’re really talking about, what’s the point of it now, right? Why would you want to give a girl a squirting orgasm? Is this something that girls appreciate? Is it different to normal orgasms? Why would we want to…?

[Marcus London]: Yeah. I mean, it’s the same… At the end of the day, you could say, why does a guy like a blowjob? Why does a girl like a finger in her ass when you’re fucking her? It’s something different. It has a different sensation. It is a different feeling. Whether it’s an orgasm, again, I don’t think anyone can say is and I don’t think anyone can say isn’t. One thing I know is every single woman I’ve been with, every single woman I’ve made squirt tells me it’s incredibly powerful, it’s incredibly arousing, it turns them on, it makes them feel amazing. If they feel lightheaded, their legs weaken, sounds like an orgasm to me.

But if it isn’t, it’s extremely a very powerful experience that every woman I’ve been with but a very, very, very small percentage absolutely love it and want it over and over and over again. And every girl I make squirt for the first time is, one, blown away, two, can’t understand what the hell happened, and three, say, “Can you do it again? Can you do it again? And oh yeah, can you now do it again?” So, you know what, if it’s not orgasm, well, it’s damn close, [laughs] as far as I can imagine.

And why do it? Well, if a woman that you’re with has never experienced it, well, there’s a good reason, because it’s one thing in her life that she’s going to get to experience from you that no one else has been able to do. That's brownie points in my book.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right. I mean, my experience is the girls seem to go around bragging about it afterwards.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, of course. Of course.

[Angel Donovan]: Like I lived in China for a while and I made one of my girlfriends squirt, and I don’t think… There’s not very many girls in China who have ever done that, right?

[Marcus London]: Right.

[Angel Donovan]: So she went around bragging about it and googling it to figure out what it was and telling all her friends that this new thing from the West existed.

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: So maybe I was responsible for introducing the concept to China. Who knows? [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: That's why there was probably that big tsunami. Who knows? [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: Everyone was doing it at the same time. But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, it is… I mean, as much as so many people have heard about it, there's probably a huge percentage worldwide that have never heard of it and have never even experienced it, and sexually that's a shame that there are women out there that have never had it. And I think that every man should at least have the knowledge to at least try it and try and get a woman to squirt, especially if they’re married, because it’s a nice thing to give a woman that kind of orgasm. And if they don’t like it, well, guess what? They’ve never got to do it again.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: No loss, no foul, and at least they get an option to try something new, something different.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right.

[Marcus London]: And who knows, maybe it would change their love lives, their sex lives. Maybe it can do an awful lot of things. And you know, it’s just another form of orgasm in my book that's worth having.

[Angel Donovan]: Have you got any crazy stories or something that's happened to you when you’ve been using this technique, something unusual or…?

[Marcus London]: I mean, I wouldn’t say unusual—[laughs] I could tell you something that's very disgusting. I don’t think we want to go down that road.

[Angel Donovan]: No, not that way. [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: Yeah, that can come up a lot in the business. But anyway, but on the other side of the coin, very extreme senses, and we were talking about very powerful squirters, I remember after I did a scene with a girl—she’s no longer with us, unfortunately, for whatever reason—and she was an incredible squirter. And I didn’t really know. I knew she could squirt, but I didn’t know how. And literally, within about five minutes of doing the scene—and we’re not even talking about fingers here, we’re talking about just straightforward sex, I didn’t even put my fingers into that, it would have been terrible—we literally nearly destroyed the huge TV in the house, the VCR, messed up curtains, the rugs were screwed. I mean, she was hitting the cameraman wherever he was. Every thing in the room got hit. I mean, it was like… It was wild. It was like, “Holy crap, someone just…” It was like someone turned a hose on. Powerful, powerful, powerful squirt.

And I realized then we literally had to cover the whole circumference of the room with blankets and cushions and everything, just to try and protect some of the electrical equipment. Everything got hit. The lights got hit. Well, are we going to die here today?

So yeah, I mean that was… And you know, I’ve had sex with her and played with her before, and I realized, as much as it’s an amazing thing, it’s a real curse if you’re with a woman that is that powerful because you’re going to destroy your bed every single time you have sex, and there is no sheet, no plastic sheet, that's going to help that.

[Angel Donovan]: That's not fun for the girl either. She has to worry about it all the time.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, I mean, you imagine, she’s terrified. Wherever she goes, she could be at her parents for the weekend, that's not going to be easy to explain that one.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: You know, “Did you explode a gas canister?” So yeah, it can be a curse as well in some cases, and I think that's extreme cases. But I understood from that point onwards, as much as I want to go to squirts, I don’t want to go to squirts like that.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right, right. I mean, that's extremely rare, right?

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So just to give guys an idea, what percentage of girls are like the strong squirters, like that are remarkable?

[Marcus London]: I would say… A couple percent, I would say.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: Maybe two percent, five max. I mean, not a lot. I can’t think of one in the regular world that I’ve met… Maybe one I’ve met in the regular world that was amazing.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right. And are these girls… Is there something psychologically different about them or is it physiological or is it just kind of random or is it something you would notice, maybe someone when you’re first kind of like connecting with her, you’d kind of think, “Maybe she’s got this?”

[Marcus London]: I think they’re very sexually aware people.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: I think, to be honest, most older women, not younger. Very few younger women have that skill. Because they know their body. They understand what it is, their body. They’re comfortable with it. They know how their body works and they’re good at it. Definitely sexually aware, definitely older, definitely a little bit more outgoing, and I would say… I wouldn’t say predator-like, but they’re very much… They know what they want.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: You know what I’m saying? And they’ll get it.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, what I’m thinking about is, we were talking about the psychological aspect earlier, and even if physiologically a girl could do this, she still has to be kind of enabled by the psychological aspect. Now, you can help her with that, of course, the first time, and also kind of how far she can go psychologically to facilitate it also, I guess.

[Marcus London]: I think it’s like anyone they have to be comfortable with what they do, and if they think for a second that you’re not into it, you don’t like it or it’s disgusting, they will do their utmost to shut it down and make sure it doesn’t happen.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: So you may actually be with a squirter but she’s doing her damndest to prevent it. And some can, not all. Some cannot prevent it and they try their best, but the body controls that. So I think if you can be very open with whoever you’re with and be very much like, “Look, there's this squirting thing. I’m kind of okay with it. If that's something you’re able to do, I would love to experience it or I’d like to try and make you squirt,” then that would be the way to approach it, because if she feels you’re okay with it then she’s going to have no problems herself. She’s going to be like, “Well, if he's good with it, I like it, I’m not going to hold it back anymore.”

There are a few women who are able to hold it back to a certain degree, not so much from my fingers but from most guys, often penetrative sex, they can hold it back. Very few can hold it back from the technique that I use because it’s too much. They lose their control. But as long as you make them feel good about themselves and make them realize it’s okay, then most women will have a much better opportunity and chance to actually squirt while doing the right technique, of course. Not many can squirt just from having sex, and not many can use the toys or stimulate the clitoris to make them squirt. That is another percentage that is probably in the 10, 15% range who can do it that way. Because I think there are only I think 60, 75% of women have never, never actually had that. They want to do it, but they’ve never actually got that chance to experience it for whatever reason, you know.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: Definitely make them feel good about it and it’ll happen much easier.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, great. Yeah, you totally have to prepare and you can avoid the kind of experience I had that time, which isn’t fun. You have to kind of backtrack [laughs] and kind of get things back to a nice vibe with the sex again. So it’s something to avoid. So, obviously, as a porn star stamina is something you have to deal with professionally. So on set, typically how long do you have to be having sex for in a scene? Do you have to perform for very long time periods? How does it kind of work?

[Marcus London]: It really, really depends on so many different variables. It depends on the production, whether it be gonzo or not. Like a standard gonzo team will shoot you for 30 minutes to 40 minutes tops. That may be a one-camera gig, but they shoot just hard all the way through. Or it may be a two-camera gig, where they will take softcore from a certain angle and then pick up the hardcore with the next camera.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: Or they can shoot with one camera and you do it a little bit longer and they get as much as they can of the soft and then you carry on with the hard. Now, obviously you have stills to shoot, which will normally be shot for the sex, so kind of like you could say like a planned-out how the scene’s going to unfold but using the still cameras, and then you could follow that in the actual sex when you eventually go into video.

But it varies. I mean, I’ve done a five-hour orgy nonstop for five hours. I’ve done 20 minutes. I’ve done an hour-and-a-half scene. I’ve done a three-hour scene. It depends on how quickly they shoot it, any problems, how many times you stop if there are any lighting issues. It’s one of those things that when you go to work you have to expect yourself to be having sex for anything from 30 minutes to two or three hours, and you can’t really gravitate to it’s going to be this or that because you don’t know. Things can happen. Anything can go wrong.

So once you’re in that mode, you could be there for a number of hours. Maybe the girl is a pain in the ass. Maybe she’s not really being very nice to you. Maybe that's going to affect how you perform. Maybe she’s going to have a problem because she’s sore because she’s had too much sex, and now you’ve got to take it easy and she has to have breaks. You never know what you get. It’s like a crapshoot, you just don’t know. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Right, there's a lot of factors you have to deal with there.

[Marcus London]: Oh yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: I’m guessing not everyone makes it in the porn industry…

[Marcus London]: Well, I mean, you have to look at it for what it is. I mean, can any average man stand there with 10 or 15 crew, or even five crew, and mainly men, staring at him, get an erection, keep an erection, and fuck a girl whether she’s into you or not, whether she’s interested in you or not, whether she’s being nice to you or not, and maybe you’re working in a hundred-degree heat on a rock or maybe you’re in a freezing, cold set where it’s raining. There are a lot of variables that can make it extremely difficult for any man to do it. Forget his hang-ups. Forget her hang-ups. Forget the situation and the cold and how he feels, if he ate enough, if he's turned on, if he's already had sex with someone that day or that night, if he had too much to drink that night. There are a lot of things that could go wrong.

So you really have to mentally be very, very, very much in a very safe, secure place in your head. And also, I’m not going to lie, I don’t think anyone really goes into this business and doesn’t use some form of stimulants because it’s not simple. You know, it’s just not. I mean, especially—maybe if you’re an 18-year-old, you haven’t had sex in your life and some lazy girl, you know the girl’s laying there, maybe you’ll get through it pretty well, because you’re so rampantly horny you would fuck a tree stump.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, right.

[Marcus London]: But when you get older and you’ve done the job for eight to 10 years, it’s not really as pleasurable as it once was. I’m not now so turned on as I used to be because obviously I have to be really into the girl, and lucky enough I get women all the time, so it makes it a lot easier.

So there are many, many stimulants that you can get. And you’ve obviously got your standard, you’ve got your Viagra, you’ve got your Cialis. And all that's great, but of course, that's a medication that initially really kind of pumps you up but it can give you headaches. It can make you really red in the face. And I can’t stand Viagra. It’s extremely uncomfortable mentally. It makes me feel like I’m blowing up. Cialis is good too, of course.

But then again, there are things that have to be prescribed. Really, you want some, you can get over-the-counter, whether it be online or whether it be one of the health group stores, and a number of hot products I’ve come across that work, I mean, there are so many different things. There are products like ginseng, ginkgo biloba, Maca, Tribulus Terrestris. All these things are brilliant but you need them in one pill, and then it works.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And the pills that I’ve used, I’ve come across that are really, really good are the PHGH, which is a natural enhancer. That has all those things. It has like the Maca, the ginkgo biloba, the Epimedium, horny goat weed as it’s known…

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm. I’ve heard of that one, yeah.

[Marcus London]: …DHEA, l-carnitine, tongkat ali. All these things your body really needs for so many different things, so when you combine them at the same time when you’re aroused, this really assists you in prolonging and being more strong in that situation. And you know, I mean, okay, lots of different things, but this is the one that I’ve found that works pretty well.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay. So I just want to make sure. I mean, as guys, they have different problems, right? The guys at home—and obviously nothing like the extreme conditions you’ve just described.

[Marcus London]: Sure. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] Which I think most guys would have a very hard time no matter stimulants or what…

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So for the guys at home they have… Typical problems would be, you know, I mean I have friends with these problems, it has sometimes to do with age and others, but you know, they’re having trouble getting it up. I was actually quite surprised in my late 20s, I already had some friends talking about this. And if you haven’t had the problem, you’re just kind of oblivious to the fact that that would be happening already. It’s something you think that happens to people when they’re older or something, I guess.

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: But, you know, so would you advise them to take these stimulants or are there other things that they could be doing if they have problems getting it up?

[Marcus London]: I would never be scared of taking a stimulant. I mean, God, let's face it, you eat food and food is there to basically give you energy and all that. And whether that's, you know, because we know it’s okay to eat because that's what we’ve done from the beginning of time, it’s still a stimulant. It’s still a form of nourishment that helps you survive, breathe, live, and the body will replenish itself and the blood will rise, whatever. So a stimulant is no different… The things that are in there are things that are in certain foods anyway. You’re just taking the things all at one place from one plant or this plant into your body for a particular reason.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: And you know, let's look at it this way. Every single man on this planet has no problem jacking off. He gets up, he jacks off. There is never a man who goes, “Oh man, I can’t get myself up. I can’t get myself hard.” Bullshit. I’ve never met a man who couldn’t get himself up.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: But when you’re put in front of a woman, now you have the pressure. Now you have the pressure of having to perform, and men generally can’t perform because of the pressure, because they’re trying too hard, they want to impress, they’re scared, they’re worried. That's what fucks most men up. It’s not they can’t do it, because she leaves, he puts porn on, he knocks one out, great, three minutes flat, easy. Why? Why did he suddenly get hard for that? Because now he's on his own. He's comfortable with his surroundings. He's alone. He's turned on by the visual stimulation. He's fine.

The supplements, what that does is help him get up, stay up, and be a little more kind of relaxed in some cases. That's why people want to have drinks sometimes, to relax themselves, but then they can go too far with the drink and then they get what we used to call in England as brewer’s droop, because now you’ve had too much, you’ve desensitized the body, your mind’s a little bit not as sharp, and of course now you can’t focus, and therefore you can’t keep it up. So a drink is fine, but too many can go wrong.

So a stimulant of any description, especially one that contains like the stuff that PHGH has got in it, it’s going to benefit you regardless who you are. It’s going to help you. It’s going to help you more than not having it, let's put it that way. So therefore, why not take it? No one’s going to know about it. She’s not going to know about it. At the end of the day, you drink protein shakes. Well, you could eat food, but you drink a protein shake. Why? Because it’s quicker, it’s easier, and you get the right amount of what you need in your body so you can go to the gym.

So I’ve never seen a problem with anything like that. We want to be the best we can be, then be the best you can be. Take what you need to do it.

And as I said, most men, it’s nerves that kills it every time. It’s always nerves. Very rarely is it actually a physical problem in them. It’s purely nerves.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. It’s a psychological aspect, and that's what they have to work on.

[Marcus London]: Yeah, that's what they have to get over. And that is something you can get over. It can be taught. It’s something that you still have to get over and you can understand the problem. Before if you understand the problem, you have a way to attack the problem.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm.

[Marcus London]: If you don’t know the problem, you’re screwed, because now you’re blaming everything. What’s this? Is it that? Is it this?

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: Is it that? But if you know, “Okay, I’m nervous. I need to stop that. How do I get unnervous? Well, I need to… Maybe let me talk to a friend for a while. Maybe let's get used to being around her. Maybe let's talk sexually and get worked up about it. Maybe she gets me hard before I even get my pants off…” Maybe he's hung up because he thinks he's very small, and that is going to bother him. That's something that you have to learn to get over.

And as long as you can perform and make a woman come by your fingers, by your tongue, the sex, it doesn’t matter. The woman cares about coming. She doesn’t really care if anything goes in her to make her come. As long as she comes it's good. “We don’t care how we come as long as we do.”

[Angel Donovan]: Right. I mean, we love blowjobs, right?

[Marcus London]: Yeah, of course. What man doesn’t really like…

[Angel Donovan]: I mean, some men even love them over penetration.

[Marcus London]: Exactly. So, you know, that's the point, is focus on the best that you can do. And you know what? If you manage to have sex with her for three minutes and make her come once that way but you’ve made her come three the other way, you’ve done a great job. It’s not about fucking for hours. Anyone that says it is is a fool, because it isn’t. I’ve spoken to women, they’re like, “God, this guy just fucks me and fucks me and I’m like, ‘Is he ever going to fucking come or what?’” I mean, you hear that from them so I say “Well, fuck no. I ain't going to fuck her for hours. Why would I do that?”

[Angel Donovan]: Right. You know, I think that might be one of the expectations that has been set from the porn industry or elsewhere, but when you hear guys talking obviously these days, when they’re bragging in a pub or [00:56:57], they’ll say, “We were at it all night.”

[Marcus London]: [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: That's typically what you’ll hear them bragging about. So what’s your view on that? Should we be aiming to make love all night or what do you think is the best scenario for the pleasure for the girl if we want really her to remember us in the best way possible?

[Marcus London]: I think, honestly, if you can have sex for 60 minutes, you’re doing fucking well. You’re at the top of the chain when you’re doing that. And just remember, you don’t have to physically have sex for 60 minutes. You just have to physically be in bed sexually touching, kissing, fingering, licking, fucking for 60 minutes. And in that 60 minutes, make sure that she comes a number of times. And that really is all you’ve got to do as a man.

You don’t have to have sex for two or three or four hours, because that 60 minutes stops and then you have some food, and then you watch a movie, and then you fuck again for another 15 or 20 or another 60 minutes. That's how women want to have sex, not you drive them into the ground for five hours flat and then they can’t walk the next day. That is not something anyone really wants, and any woman that says that is lying, right? That's not what she really wants. She wants to come and she wants to have fun with it, and she doesn’t want to be torn up by a huge guy and she doesn’t want to be beaten to a pulp by a huge guy. She wants to come and be comfortable and enjoy.

And as I said, I’ve had sex with so many women who have had sex with men so much bigger than me, physically and whatever, and maybe could have had sex with them even longer than me possibly, and I’ve never had one complaint. So I really think what I do is the right way.

[Angel Donovan]: So it really sounds like you’re saying a guy should not focus on time but rather, for some, say, orgasms, like is she coming? Is she having an orgasm? Is she having multiple orgasms?

[Marcus London]: I mean, imagine you fuck a girl for two hours and she doesn’t come. Do you think she’s going to be happy? You just wasted two hours of my day beating up my pussy and I haven’t even got off yet.” No, but you make her come in three minutes flat, she’s going to go, “Holy shit, that was awesome. Now I can still go shopping and come back and have another sex session with you later tonight.”

You know, really people think there's so much put on time, and it really isn’t. Time is insignificant. It’s quality of what happens in that time and how many times she comes and how you make her feel in that situation and in that time. If you make her feel amazing, like a queen, treat her well, make her come, and not take up a whole day doing it, I’m sorry but I think you’re always going to be at the top of that tree and she’s going to come back to you before she’s going to go back to the guy that fucked her for three hours and didn’t give her an orgasm.

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] Excellent. Well, this is great because you’re really busting through a bunch of myths which I think a lot of guys, you know, it’s what they lie awake thinking about at night. It’s probably these kinds of things that are making them nervous when they’re going to have sex and causing problems in the first place.

[Marcus London]: Yeah. That's the first thing that they worry about, like, “Oh my God, am I going to be good enough? Am I going to last long enough? Am I going to be crap?” I mean, guys, if you think that, you already killed yourself. You’re already done. You’re over.

And at the end of the day, it’s kind of… I’ve got to give you an analogy that is totally different. I used to play darts. Do you play darts?

[Angel Donovan]: A tiny bit in England, yeah, I did.

[Marcus London]: I used to play darts. I used to play darts, and I was shit in competition. But at three or four in the morning when there’s no fuck around, I can put three darts in a bull’s-eye, no problem, hands down, because I didn’t have the pressure. But when I did stop playing tournaments and didn’t give a shit about winning, I was a better player.

So when you go into that situation with a woman, I’m not saying you don’t give a shit, but don’t focus on—all that counts is… Please, you know what? Have a good time, give her a good time. Do not focus on, “Oh my God, I’ve got to do it this way,” and “Oh my God, I’ve got to do it that way.” No, because now you’re overthinking the situation. And it’s the same as in business, it’s the same as anything – if you overthink and overplan, you will probably make a mistake.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: And the idea is you don’t want to make a mistake. Sex is supposed to be great fun. It’s supposed to be great pleasure. So enjoy each other, have fun with it, and utilize foreplay as much as possible before getting to penetrative sex, because that’s the only time when things can really go wrong. You can’t mess up in foreplay if you just abide by a few little rules and play with the erogenous zones and turn her on and stimulate her and say the right things to her. That's the easy part.

Getting it up, by the time you should be so turned on you’re already up. And then, if you only last five minutes, that's fine, or learn the pull-out technique. You know, the whole point of all these things we’ve been putting out in these seminars is to show that there are ways to utilize situations and bring them back and be able to go back in again and do well. And we use these in porn. There are techniques I’ve used all my life.

When a man in porn pulls his dick out and he's slapping it around the girl’s pussy, 90% of the time he's doing it because he was about to come and he's trying to kill the sensation so it can carry on. People think, “Oh, he's really being clever and he's doing all this cool shit.” No, that's his cheat to save his ass.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Yeah, I totally didn’t realize that until I checked out your course yesterday. I have seen that before and I was like, wow, okay, all that time, that's actually a technique to make the movie work, right?”

[Marcus London]: Yeah. It’s a technique to make the guy last longer because if he doesn’t do it he's going to be blowing that, and then were going to have to wait 30 minutes so he can get up again. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] So yeah, it’s great little tricks like that that are really, really helpful. Thanks.

[Marcus London]: Alright. Mm-hmm.

[Angel Donovan]: So, you know, I’m going to round off here. I’ve got a couple more questions for you, but thanks for being so authentic in your answers and like kind of blowing all of these myths away and everything.

[Marcus London]: Sure.

[Angel Donovan]: So I ask this of everyone who comes on the show.

[Marcus London]: Mm-hmm.

[Angel Donovan]: What would you tell a complete newbie to dating and sex, really hasn’t got very much experience, to focus on to improve his lifestyle and his dating and sex life as fast as possible? If you’ve got three, your three top recommendations, what would they be?

[Marcus London]: I think the first one is, obviously, you’re not going to get a girl into bed unless you get her into your bedroom. That's really the hardest thing anyway. So when it comes to your dating part of meeting women, firstly, most men approach women the wrong way initially. They’re already throwing compliments, which means the woman’s defense mechanism hits up, they put a big wall up and they’ll, “Okay, I’ve heard this a million times, pickup line.”

Sometimes, to try and treat a woman as an absolute equal, like one of the guys, and talk about something totally nothing about her or sex, maybe the surroundings that you’re in, and be just totally, totally natural with her in every way and really not try and pick her up, do the opposite to pick her up… In fact, probably insulting her might be easier, because then you’re going to get her attention, to be honest with you. You just have to know how to pull that back and make sure you can repair the damage that you’ve created. And it’s a technique I’ve seen work a million times before. But just talk to them like an equal and make them think you’re interested in them as opposed to going and saying, “Hey, nice shoes. Do you want a drink?” I mean, straight away, there's no woman who’s going to give you the fucking time of day.

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs] Right, right.

[Marcus London]: It’s just not going to happen. And you know, just say, “Hello. Hi. What’s your name?” And try not to do the “come here often” thing because that's been killed to death. Or just talk about, “Well, the service really sucks in here.” Just be normal, and that will get you at least a little bit closer to being in the door.

So that's my first thing. Go in, treat her like an equal, be normal, be natural. Don’t be nervous and just enjoy your conversation with her and treat her like a normal person and don’t try and make her into a, “Oh my God, I’ve got to really wow this person,” because that's not going to work. That's going to do the absolute opposite. So that's one.

The second in respect to sex when it comes to getting in the bedroom, don’t rush anything. Do not rush it. Women know what you’re after, and if you just put your hand—I’ve done it. Trust me, I’ve been there. I’ve made mistakes. I know what goes wrong.

First thing I do, hands straight down the pants. I’d probably not even kissed her yet and my hand’s in her pants. Big mistake. You just made her feel like the lowest of the low by trying to say, “You know, all I’m in for is just what’s between your legs.” Big mistake. If you could, let her put your hands down her pants. Now you’re a winner. And she will do that if you tease her and kiss her and be very against having sex with her in the beginning, because if you can not have sex with her on the first night, she’s going to think either there's something wrong with her or, “I’ve got to bring this guy in the back because he didn’t do what I wanted him to do.”

You know, not rushing is really a master key into really having a woman that's going to want you back because most of the time, most guys, they just dive in for it and go in for the kill, and that can really turn a lot of women off. So focus on a lot more foreplay before even getting your hands down the pants and stripping her clothes off. Kiss, be nice, compliment, and then she will literally be the one that wants to push it further.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. I think that's really great advice and it conflicts with what a lot of people are saying in the pickup artist industry, for instance. But you know, I agree with you because it makes it more special if you can do it that way.

[Marcus London]: Of course. Now, don’t get me wrong. Don’t get me wrong. I have walked up to a girl and just said, “Hey, do you want to fuck?” and it’s worked, but you have to have a very high level of confidence to pull that off

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Marcus London]: So Mr. Newbie, that's not the way to approach that, you know what I’m saying? You have to have confidence where the girl’s like, “I cannot believe this guy. I must be something for him to come out with that to me like that.” You know, not the right place to do it. And again, for Mr. Newbie, not my thing. But I’m just saying. I know what you’re going to come up with and I know these pickup artists have these certain ways, and yes they can work and they do work, but for Mr. Newbie, that's probably not the right course of action.

[Angel Donovan]: Mm-hmm. Excellent.

[Marcus London]: And the last one I guess is really, when you do start having sex with a woman, the contact, the kissing and the looking at each other, for me personally is the biggest and the strongest thing for me, because if you really want to make a woman to come, believe it or not, when you see porn, everyone’s a thousand miles along the way, the guy’s got a 10-inch dick, he might as well be next door fucking her, and they’re very detached. But when you tighten up on a woman and you wrap your arms around her and the bodies are totally together and the skin’s together and the sweat’s mixing around and everything’s going really tight, that is what makes women come really, really hard.

So for a newbie, don’t try and adopt the porn stars and lean back and look what’s going on and blah, blah, blah. Wrap yourself up in her like she is the most important thing, hold her tight, and fuck her deep and hard and basically keep that connection together, maybe your mouth’s whispering in her ear, maybe you’re biting on her or kissing her, that for a newbie, you give a woman that kind of experience new or not, she is going to be overwhelmed and come back for more, and of course, give you those referrals that we all like to get. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: I noticed that your last point is kind of chivalrous as well in a way.

[Marcus London]: Well, and trust me, if it didn’t work I wouldn’t use it. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: [Laughs]

[Marcus London]: So it may sound chivalrous, it’s because it works, and even physically for me with my wife or anyone else when I have done that and I’ve done this in scenes and there's a bunch of scenes that you’ll see on the… Or pretty much quite a few of them, actually, once you’re in those intimate surroundings and you’ve got them like that, you can hear it. The orgasms are different.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: It’s different entirely. It’s a different thing entirely.

[Angel Donovan]: Excellent. Well, thanks for those great points. So the last thing is like I just want to know what you’ve got going on, like you’ve been working with 2 Girls Teach Sex for a few years now, is it three years?

[Marcus London]: It’s been a while, yeah. It’s like I couldn’t put a time, but I think it’s probably three years on and off.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah. So you know, you’ve got the Squirting Mastery out, you’ve got two of those out, and you’ve got the 60 Minute Stamina. What else have you got? Have you got other stuff out right now and have you got anything else planned? What’s going on?

[Marcus London]: We’ve got a bunch of different things working. We just finished a few that I don’t think you’ve even seen yet, which I’m just getting a blank because obviously the names are so beyond me sometimes. We’ve worked on a couple of new projects that are really good and kind of touch upon some of this actually, kind of trying to… Not reevaluate but re-explain to people that it is always just about the sex, but we wanted to teach them that if you are going to focus on penetration, this is how you do it.

So we have a new product called Penetration Orgasm Mastery, and the point of that is to show that when you do get into penetration, we can show you the best ways to make them come via obviously G-spot, deep spot, and clitoral at the same time because you can combine all there at the same time in the same position. So the idea is to really utilize the penetration as another form of foreplay. In other words, foreplay is brilliant and it’s all around and it’s body and it’s skin and it’s touching, but most people just fuck and they have one level, one speed, one angle, maybe even one position. We’re trying to show that that has so much more to give.

And of course, on the back end of that, we also went into female mind mastery, which is another where we kind of explain why women like this, what turns them on, why choke them, why do this, why do that. And it really does break it down for people when… You know, I love doing it because, honestly, we don’t get to do this in regular sex, you know, in porn movies. It’s not important. But to be able to explain to people what makes a woman tick and hear it from a woman and see it, see me doing it to women, and then having me explain, you know, why is this working? Well, because you did this and I like that and it turned me on, it made me do that. It’s like a sequencing thing. It’s like pressing a bunch of buttons and it tells you why this works with the woman.

And of course, it’s very, very high-quality the way we put this together. And again, as I said, I’m lucky, I feel very blessed that I actually got to do this with a company that actually gives a shit about really giving the real story because most don’t give a shit. It’s about, “Oh yeah, the visual’s good and it’s about sex and good scene,” and that's it.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, that's an interesting point to make because, you know, for the last 50 years there's been a lot of kind of sex education videos.

[Marcus London]: Oh yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: And you know, back in the day, I watched those things…

[Marcus London]: Yeah [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: …and I never really got them, you know?

[Marcus London]: Well, because they didn’t show you anything. It was softcore, which is great…

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Marcus London]: And it was all fancy woman talking words, making it all flashy, but you couldn’t really learn much from it. I know I did some of the Lover’s Guides. I did some of them back in the day. My best friend did most of them. But they definitely were nowhere near as informative as this, not even close. I mean, it’s a different, different product entirely.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah. I mean, it’s only the last five years or so that there's been this complete kind of flip and it’s become more practical. There's a whole practical focus versus, I guess, before they didn’t want to be honest about… Well, they didn’t feel comfortable with being honest about actually what goes on and…

[Marcus London]: Yeah, and I think that's the problem. I think, you know… And it took a company to realize that, you know what? People do want to learn and maybe we need to really do a step-by-step guide and physically show you exactly what goes on and why it works. And I’m just happy that we’ve found a company that really is happy to do that and allowed as, I guess, performers to show the truth and what we know and what we’ve learned over 10 or 15 years of having sex with multiple women.

We actually have the answers. You know, not always the book does. Certainly not the doctor does, and certainly not Google does, because we know from the ground up what works for us every single day when we walk on set. So that has given the average guy that doesn’t get to see this the real truth behind what women want, why they want it, how it affects them, how it affects us, what works for the couple in general, and how to have a longer and a better-lasting sexual relationship because you keep it spicy. You never let your guard drop and just kind of give up and do the same position in the same night at the same time in the same place because that's monotonous, and monotony does not give you a longer-lasting love life at the end of the day. That's why people cheat. [Laughs]

[Angel Donovan]: Totally, totally. And, as we know, the divorce rates are pretty high and everything, right?

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: It’s pretty rampant.

[Marcus London]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, Marcus, thank you for today. I know you have other stuff you’ve got going on down there in Los Angeles today, so I’m not going to keep you. But thanks a lot. I’m sure the guys listening to the show are going to really appreciate this interview and how truthful and how straightforward you’ve been talking about all the myths and everything. So, you know, excellent interview. Thank you very much for coming on the show.

[Marcus London]: Well, it’s a pleasure to talk to you, and I hope you guys are listening and utilizing. Hope it helps them in their sex lives. Cool. Thank you very much.

[Angel Donovan]: Thank you.