Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6961 Okay, I'll work on 7.05 now. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-12 19:21:53 #6962 Applied Changes: April 10 (2:00PM CEST)



Actual Schedule (CET)

Day 1

- 7:00-8:00PM Patch notes read

- 8:00-12:30PM Updating guides to 7.05 patch

- 12:30-1:30PM Tagging Titles to 7.05

- 1:30-2:00PM Mass publishing



Total Elapsed Time: 7 Hours





Total changes made: 101 approx. changes

26 Guides applied

129 Guides remain unchanged



Terrorblade

Added Bloodthorn to Luxury Items

Removed Daedalus



Clinkz

New Talent Tree: 10 (+10 Intelligence), 15 (+30 Searing Arrows Damage), 20 (+10 All Stats), 25 (+125 Attack Range)

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Medallion of Courage to Core Items

Removed Blight Stone



Bristleback

New Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+50 Attack Speed), 25 (+30 Health Regen)

Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive"

Added Octarine Core to Extension Items - Defensive

Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items - Defensive

Added Boots of Travel to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Added Abbysal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Moved Sange & Yasha to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Moved Assault Cuirass to "Extension Items - Offensive"



Alchemist (Core - Physical)

New Skill Build: E Q W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+80 Unstable Concoction Damage), 20 (+300 Health), 25 (-5 Acid Spray Armor)

Added Phase Boots to Core Items

Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items

Added Battlefury to Core Items

Added Solar Crest to Situational Items

Moved Armlet of Morddigian to Situational Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items

Removed Power Treads

Removed Eye of Skadi



Death Prophet

New Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q Q T W R W W T W R T T (1. Spirit Siphon 2. Crypt Swarm 3. Silence)



Faceless Void

New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+600 Timewalk Cast Range)

Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items

Removed Stout Shield



Lina (Core)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+80 Light Strike Array Damage), 15 (+50 Damage), 20 (+150 Attack Range), 25 (+40/4% Fiery Soul Per Stack)



Lina (Support)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Cast Range), 15 (-30s Respawn Time), 20 (+6 Spell Amplification), 25 (-4s Dragon Slave Cooldown)



Doom (Offlane)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Earth Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+2% Infernal Blade Damage)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"

Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Added Hand of Midas to "Early Game"

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items

Added Refresher Orb to "Luxury Items"

Added Radiance to "Luxury Items"

Added Octarine Core to "Luxury Items"

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Luxury Items"

Removed Quelling Blade

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Stout Shield



Doom (Jungle)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Early Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+40 Regen)

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items



Viper

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+8 Strength), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+80 Viper Strike DPS)

Added Maelstrom to Core Items (Mid - Aggro)

Removed Yasha

Removed Dragon Lance



Techies

New Talent Tree: 10 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Cast Range), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)



Nature's Prophet (Core)

Nature's Prophet (Core2)

Removed Orb of Venom



Bane

Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items

Moved Rod of Atos to Situational Items

Moved Guardian Greaves to Extension Items



Vengeful Spirit (Core)

Added Solar Crest to Situational Items

Moved Manta Style to Core Items

Moved Sange & Yaha to Situational Items

Removed Hurricane Pike

Removed Desolator



Phoenix (Offlane)

Added Wind Lace to Starting Items

Removed Iron Branch

Removed Ring of Protection



Shadow Shaman

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (+100 Cast Range), 20 (-30s Respawn Time), 25 (+350 Ether Shock Damage)



Pugna

Added Linken's Sphere to Extension Items



Razor

New Skill Build: W E W Q Q Q Q R E T E R E W T W R T T (1. Plasma Field 2. Static Link 3. Unstable Current)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Agility), 15 (+130 Unstable Current Damage), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+175 Attack Range)

Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items

Moved Hurricane Pike to Core Items

Removed Wind Lace

Removed Dragon Lance



Phantom Lancer

New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Phantom Lance 2. Doppelganger 3. Phantom Rush)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength)

Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items

Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Manta Style to Core Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Removed Iron Branch

Removed Stout Shield



Monkey King (Core)

Added Ring of Aquila to Early Game

Added Skull Basher to Core Items

Moved Infused Raindrop to Situational Items

Moved Orb of Venom to Situational Items



Renamed Roamer

Monkey King (Support)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+5 Armor), 15 (+275 Health), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+100 Boundless Strike Crit)



Renamed Roamer

Bounty Hunter

Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive"

Added Ethereal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Added Aether Lens to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Moved Lotus Orb to Extension Items - Defensive

Moved Force Staff to Extension Items - Defensive

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive"

Moved Dagon - Level 5 to "Extension Items - Offensive"



Renamed Roamer

Pudge

New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+5 Armor), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.75 Flesh Heap Stack Str.)

Moved Bottle to Core Items



Renamed Roamer

Riki

Added Tranquil Boots to Core Items

Removed Phase Boots Added Bloodthorn to Luxury ItemsRemoved DaedalusNew Talent Tree: 10 (+10 Intelligence), 15 (+30 Searing Arrows Damage), 20 (+10 All Stats), 25 (+125 Attack Range)Added Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Medallion of Courage to Core ItemsRemoved Blight StoneNew Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+50 Attack Speed), 25 (+30 Health Regen)Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive"Added Octarine Core to Extension Items - DefensiveAdded Shiva's Guard to Extension Items - DefensiveAdded Boots of Travel to "Extension Items - Offensive"Added Abbysal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive"Moved Sange & Yasha to "Extension Items - Offensive"Moved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive"Moved Assault Cuirass to "Extension Items - Offensive"New Skill Build: E Q W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Unstable Concoction 2. Acid Spray 3. Greevil's Greed)New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+80 Unstable Concoction Damage), 20 (+300 Health), 25 (-5 Acid Spray Armor)Added Phase Boots to Core ItemsAdded Medallion of Courage to Core ItemsAdded Battlefury to Core ItemsAdded Solar Crest to Situational ItemsMoved Armlet of Morddigian to Situational ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Situational ItemsMoved Silver Edge to Extension ItemsRemoved Power TreadsRemoved Eye of SkadiNew Skill Build: Q E Q E E R E Q Q T W R W W T W R T T (1. Spirit Siphon 2. Crypt Swarm 3. Silence)New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+600 Timewalk Cast Range)Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting ItemsRemoved Stout ShieldNew Talent Tree: 11 (+80 Light Strike Array Damage), 15 (+50 Damage), 20 (+150 Attack Range), 25 (+40/4% Fiery Soul Per Stack)New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Cast Range), 15 (-30s Respawn Time), 20 (+6 Spell Amplification), 25 (-4s Dragon Slave Cooldown)New Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Earth Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+2% Infernal Blade Damage)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Created New Tab: "Luxury Items"Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsAdded Hand of Midas to "Early Game"Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsAdded Refresher Orb to "Luxury Items"Added Radiance to "Luxury Items"Added Octarine Core to "Luxury Items"Moved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to "Luxury Items"Removed Quelling BladeRemoved Observer WardRemoved Stout ShieldNew Talent Tree: 10 (+80 Devour Bonus Gold), 15 (+15 Scorched Early Damage/Heal), 20 (Devour Can Target Ancients), 25 (+40 Regen)Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+8 Strength), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+80 Viper Strike DPS)Added Maelstrom to Core Items (Mid - Aggro)Removed YashaRemoved Dragon LanceNew Talent Tree: 10 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Cast Range), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)Removed Orb of VenomAdded Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension ItemsMoved Rod of Atos to Situational ItemsMoved Guardian Greaves to Extension ItemsAdded Solar Crest to Situational ItemsMoved Manta Style to Core ItemsMoved Sange & Yaha to Situational ItemsRemoved Hurricane PikeRemoved DesolatorAdded Wind Lace to Starting ItemsRemoved Iron BranchRemoved Ring of ProtectionNew Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (+100 Cast Range), 20 (-30s Respawn Time), 25 (+350 Ether Shock Damage)Added Linken's Sphere to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: W E W Q Q Q Q R E T E R E W T W R T T (1. Plasma Field 2. Static Link 3. Unstable Current)New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Agility), 15 (+130 Unstable Current Damage), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+175 Attack Range)Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsMoved Hurricane Pike to Core ItemsRemoved Wind LaceRemoved Dragon LanceNew Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Phantom Lance 2. Doppelganger 3. Phantom Rush)New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength)Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Poor Man's Shield to Early GameAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Manta Style to Core ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Situational ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsRemoved Iron BranchRemoved Stout ShieldAdded Ring of Aquila to Early GameAdded Skull Basher to Core ItemsMoved Infused Raindrop to Situational ItemsMoved Orb of Venom to Situational ItemsNew Talent Tree: 10 (+5 Armor), 15 (+275 Health), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+100 Boundless Strike Crit)Created New Tab: "Extension Items - Offensive"Added Ethereal Blade to "Extension Items - Offensive"Added Aether Lens to "Extension Items - Offensive"Moved Lotus Orb to Extension Items - DefensiveMoved Force Staff to Extension Items - DefensiveMoved Aghanim's Scepter to "Extension Items - Offensive"Moved Dagon - Level 5 to "Extension Items - Offensive"New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+5 Armor), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.75 Flesh Heap Stack Str.)Moved Bottle to Core ItemsAdded Tranquil Boots to Core ItemsRemoved Phase Boots https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6963 Should be it for 7.05 https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

bdonballer Profile Joined October 2014 United States 408 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-10 13:46:16 #6964 If you are going full right click on viper, take the +16 agi instead of +10 str. Tank build would be the +10 str and +20 armor. 16 agi is incredibly good, its 16 dmg, 16 att speed and 2 armor. Better than 200 hp and some regen imo. 20 armor might even be better than the viper strike dmg at lvl 25 if you dont go aghs.



And for pl +15% cd reduction I think is better than the +8 stats. And since aghs is a priority, at lvl 10 the +75 spirit lance dmg is pretty good as well. You are already building a lot of agi items that give att speed, so +20 attack speed is not as valuable. I carry hard!

Velzi Profile Joined June 2012 Finland 598 Posts #6965 Viper definitely wants armor instead of Viper Strike DPS, even with aghs its questionable to pass +20 armor. Well if u are against magic ember + zeus + timber tricore line up then yeah might aswell go viper strike dps but +20 armor is MASSIVE. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822

Logo Profile Joined April 2010 United States 4568 Posts #6966 You may need to keep an eye on the Phoenix offlane build, that initial +2 armor is pretty important (it's something like 13% less physical damage for a level 1 Phoenix) since Phoenix starts at -.29 armor. Especially because Phoenix doesn't have any tools to trade with at level 1 if Phoenix has to take Dive (which you almost always do). +40 hp is not enough to make up for it either, doubly so because you basically need to consider any +HP to Phoenix in light of the self % based damage taken (each +hp is really probably ~80% of the listed value because you're likely to case fire spirits at high hp at some point). Logo

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6967 D:< I just published these changes and already made all the posts without due credit.



Now you guys are all up in here with good feedback https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-17 17:40:06 #6968 Centaur Warrunner

Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Removed Ring of Protection

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Healing Salve



Arc Warden

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Flux DPS), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+100 Attack Range), 25 (30% Lifesteal)

Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items

Moved Manta Style to Situational Items

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Removed Butterfly



Vengeful Spirit (Core)

Added Eye of Skadi to Extension Items

Added Mjollnir to Extension Items

Moved Black King Bar to Core Items

Removed Monkey King Bar



Slark

Added Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting Items

Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game

Moved Iron Talon to Early Game

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Ring of Aquila



Necrophos

New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Death Pulse 2. Ghost Shroud 3. Heartstopper Aura)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+40 Damage), 15 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+5% Spell Amplification), 25 (+400 Health)

Created New Tab: "Core Items (Aggressive)"

Added Power Treads to "Core Items (Aggressive)"

Added Magic Wand to "Core Items (Aggressive)"

Added Veil of Discord to "Core Items (Aggressive)"

Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items

Added Linken's Sphere to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Added Boots of Speed to Starting Items

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Lotus Orb



Monkey King (Core)

New Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q T R W W T W R T T (1. Jingu Mastery 2. Boundless Strike 3. Tree Dance)

Added Orb of Venom to Starting Items

Added Clarity to Starting Items

Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items

Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items

Removed Poor Man's Shield



Huskar

New Talent Tree: 11 (+3 Burning Spear DPS), 15 (15% Lifesteal), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+500 Life Break Cast Range)

Added Dragon Lance to Core Items

Added Solar Crest to Situational Items

Moved Heaven's Halberd to Core Items

Moved Hurricane Pike to Extension Items



Axe (Core)

Removed Ring of Protection



Sniper

Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items

Moved Hurricane Pike to Core Items

Moved Silver to Extension Items

Removed Shadow Blade

Removed Manta Style



Clockwerk

Created New Tab: "Utility Items"

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"



Spectre

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+20 Strength), 25 (+400 Health)

Added Boots of Speed to Early Game

Added Phase Boots to Core Items - Ganking

Moved Phase Boots to Core Items (Safe Lane)

Moved Vanguard to Core Items - Ganking

Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items

Removed Enchanted Mango



Lich

Added Wind Lace to Starting Items

Removed Ring of Protection

Removed Observer Ward



Crystal Maiden

New Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W T R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Arcane Aura 2. Frostbite 3. Crystal Nova)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+60 Damage), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.5s Frostbite Duration)

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Removed Wind Lace



Anti-Mage

Added Slippers of Agility to Starting Items

Added Quelling Blade to Early Game

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Iron Talon



Phantom Lancer

New Talent Tree: 10 (+75 Spirit Lance Damage), 15 (15% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength)



Magnus

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15% Spell Amplification) , 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Empower Damage/Cleave), 25 (-35s Respawn Time)

Created New Tab: "Core Items (Offlane)"

Added Poor Man's Shield to "Core Items (Offlane)"

Added Arcane Boots to "Core Items (Offlane)"

Added Blink Dagger to "Core Items (Offlane)"

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Moved Iron Talon to "Core Items (Offlane)"

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Removed Pipe of Insight

Removed Rod of Atos



Viper

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+16 Agility), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+20 Armor)



Lina (Core)

Added Shiva's Guard to Extension Items

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items

Moved Shadow Blade to Situational Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Silver Edge

Removed Eye of Skadi



Sven

Added Quelling Blade to Early Game

Moved Helm of the Dominator to Situational Items



Legion Commander (Jungle)

New Skill Build: E W E W E R E Q W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Moment of Courage 2. Press the Attack 3. Overwhelming Odds)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus)

Added Tango to Starting Items

Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Quelling Blade



Legion Commander (Core)

New Skill Build: E Q W Q Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus)

Created New Tab: "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Poor Man's Shield to "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Tango to "Starting Items (Offlane)"



SirActionSlacks (Core)

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items



Nature's Prophet (Core)

Nature's Prophet (Core2)

Added Iron Talon to Starting Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Drum of Endurance to Situational Items

Removed Ring of Basilius



Renamed Core

Faceless Void

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Attack Speed), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Evasion)

Added Silver Edge to Situational Items

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Echo Sabre



Renamed Roamer

Tusk

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items



Renamed Roamer

Techies

Added Town Portal Scroll to Starting Items



Users: StudAnal, KickedRS, Scoregasm, dependontheview, lbutton, Mathmage530, CAPSLOCK_USERNAME, reddit409, bdonballer, Logo, Velzi, kozhilya, Buckyman, shadedclan, prismazure, bdonballer, bonbb, joshjayek, dracolord1221, Belisarius, aliflo_, 2xfury, definitelymyrealname, tungtran99, dannycalamity, philenc Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsRemoved Ring of ProtectionRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Healing SalveNew Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Flux DPS), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+100 Attack Range), 25 (30% Lifesteal)Added Monkey King Bar to Extension ItemsMoved Manta Style to Situational ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsRemoved ButterflyAdded Eye of Skadi to Extension ItemsAdded Mjollnir to Extension ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Core ItemsRemoved Monkey King BarAdded Slipper of Agility x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Poor Man's Shield to Early GameMoved Iron Talon to Early GameRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Ring of AquilaNew Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Death Pulse 2. Ghost Shroud 3. Heartstopper Aura)New Talent Tree: 10 (+40 Damage), 15 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+5% Spell Amplification), 25 (+400 Health)Created New Tab: "Core Items (Aggressive)"Added Power Treads to "Core Items (Aggressive)"Added Magic Wand to "Core Items (Aggressive)"Added Veil of Discord to "Core Items (Aggressive)"Added Shadow Blade to Situational ItemsAdded Linken's Sphere to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsAdded Boots of Speed to Starting ItemsRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed Healing SalveRemoved Lotus OrbNew Skill Build: E Q E W E R E Q Q Q T R W W T W R T T (1. Jingu Mastery 2. Boundless Strike 3. Tree Dance)Added Orb of Venom to Starting ItemsAdded Clarity to Starting ItemsAdded Faerie Fire to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Branch x2 to Starting ItemsRemoved Poor Man's ShieldNew Talent Tree: 11 (+3 Burning Spear DPS), 15 (15% Lifesteal), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (+500 Life Break Cast Range)Added Dragon Lance to Core ItemsAdded Solar Crest to Situational ItemsMoved Heaven's Halberd to Core ItemsMoved Hurricane Pike to Extension ItemsRemoved Ring of ProtectionAdded Monkey King Bar to Extension ItemsMoved Hurricane Pike to Core ItemsMoved Silver to Extension ItemsRemoved Shadow BladeRemoved Manta StyleCreated New Tab: "Utility Items"Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Gem of True Sight to "Utility Items"New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+20 Strength), 25 (+400 Health)Added Boots of Speed to Early GameAdded Phase Boots to Core Items - GankingMoved Phase Boots to Core Items (Safe Lane)Moved Vanguard to Core Items - GankingMoved Drum of Endurance to Situational ItemsRemoved Enchanted MangoAdded Wind Lace to Starting ItemsRemoved Ring of ProtectionRemoved Observer WardNew Skill Build: W E E Q E R E W W W T R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Arcane Aura 2. Frostbite 3. Crystal Nova)New Talent Tree: 11 (+60 Damage), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (+1.5s Frostbite Duration)Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsRemoved Wind LaceAdded Slippers of Agility to Starting ItemsAdded Quelling Blade to Early GameRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Iron TalonNew Talent Tree: 10 (+75 Spirit Lance Damage), 15 (15% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (15% Magic Resistance), 25 (+20 Strength)New Talent Tree: 10 (+15% Spell Amplification) , 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Empower Damage/Cleave), 25 (-35s Respawn Time)Created New Tab: "Core Items (Offlane)"Added Poor Man's Shield to "Core Items (Offlane)"Added Arcane Boots to "Core Items (Offlane)"Added Blink Dagger to "Core Items (Offlane)"Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsMoved Iron Talon to "Core Items (Offlane)"Moved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsRemoved Pipe of InsightRemoved Rod of AtosNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+16 Agility), 20 (+75 Attack Range), 25 (+20 Armor)Added Shiva's Guard to Extension ItemsMoved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core ItemsMoved Shadow Blade to Situational ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Extension ItemsRemoved Magic WandRemoved Silver EdgeRemoved Eye of SkadiAdded Quelling Blade to Early GameMoved Helm of the Dominator to Situational ItemsNew Skill Build: E W E W E R E Q W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Moment of Courage 2. Press the Attack 3. Overwhelming Odds)New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus)Added Tango to Starting ItemsMoved Iron Talon to Starting ItemsRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Quelling BladeNew Skill Build: E Q W Q Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Overwhelming Odds 2. Press The Attack 3. Moment of Courage)New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Damage Duel Bonus)Created New Tab: "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Poor Man's Shield to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Tango to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Moved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsAdded Iron Talon to Starting ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Drum of Endurance to Situational ItemsRemoved Ring of BasiliusNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Attack Speed), 15 (+25 Damage), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (20% Evasion)Added Silver Edge to Situational ItemsRemoved Observer WardRemoved Echo SabreAdded Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Town Portal Scroll to Starting ItemsUsers: StudAnal, KickedRS, Scoregasm, dependontheview, lbutton, Mathmage530, CAPSLOCK_USERNAME, reddit409, bdonballer, Logo, Velzi, kozhilya, Buckyman, shadedclan, prismazure, bdonballer, bonbb, joshjayek, dracolord1221, Belisarius, aliflo_, 2xfury, definitelymyrealname, tungtran99, dannycalamity, philenc https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Buckyman Profile Joined May 2014 1362 Posts #6969 I think Lich might still want a Ring of Protection start to trade hits better.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6970 I was thinking another healing salve or something https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

prismazure Profile Joined May 2016 France 7 Posts #6971 Hey Torte, it's me back! I was thinking about a few changes. First, I think you should rename the support Earth Spirit build to roamer. Second, for Monkey King roamer,



- I suggest:to add ghost scepter in situational items. MK in teamfights relies on surviving for his ultimate to last long enough, and he usually gets smashed on by carries before it happens. Ghost Scepter allows him to move around, stun and make his ultimate valuable, Obviously, it's situational in case the enemy team is too reliant on physical damage. In this case it allows him to be really annoying and escape with Tree Dance or TP.

- Assault Cuirass is a great option for late game. Provides survivability, it make your ultimate and your team deadlier. But I don't see what you could replace it with in extension. Vlads maybe? IMO, I would move Vlads to situational and add AC. Maybe kick PMS out of the items too.



Offlane Clockwerk: IMO, add Midas in Core, move Force Staff to situational, BKB to extension, add Gem of True Sight to situational. Midas is a really good item for income, gives attack speed and is affordable for him. Clock is a good user of Gem as he goes first for engages and is hard to kill.



Guess that's just it for now from mind.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6972 On April 12 2017 22:01 prismazure wrote:

Hey Torte, it's me back! I was thinking about a few changes. First, I think you should rename the support Earth Spirit build to roamer. Second, for Monkey King roamer,



- I suggest:to add ghost scepter in situational items. MK in teamfights relies on surviving for his ultimate to last long enough, and he usually gets smashed on by carries before it happens. Ghost Scepter allows him to move around, stun and make his ultimate valuable, Obviously, it's situational in case the enemy team is too reliant on physical damage. In this case it allows him to be really annoying and escape with Tree Dance or TP.

- Assault Cuirass is a great option for late game. Provides survivability, it make your ultimate and your team deadlier. But I don't see what you could replace it with in extension. Vlads maybe? IMO, I would move Vlads to situational and add AC. Maybe kick PMS out of the items too.



Offlane Clockwerk: IMO, add Midas in Core, move Force Staff to situational, BKB to extension, add Gem of True Sight to situational. Midas is a really good item for income, gives attack speed and is affordable for him. Clock is a good user of Gem as he goes first for engages and is hard to kill.



Guess that's just it for now from mind.



Keeping ES as support because the 'roamer' title was purely used to move core 'roamers' away from the word 'support' as it wasn't an apt representation of their role.



Might re-review the title to include Techies and ES.



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Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it?



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I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no?



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Midas before or after Blade Mail? I'd like to keep Force Staff as Core though.

Not sure about BKB as extension, I don't see it bought a lot.



Will add Gem Keeping ES as support because the 'roamer' title was purely used to move core 'roamers' away from the word 'support' as it wasn't an apt representation of their role.Might re-review the title to include Techies and ES.--Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it?--I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no?--Midas before or after Blade Mail? I'd like to keep Force Staff as Core though.Not sure about BKB as extension, I don't see it bought a lot.Will add Gem https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6973 new updates https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

prismazure Profile Joined May 2016 France 7 Posts #6974



After either BM or Force.



"Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it?"



It's highly unpopular but it's really a great item on roam MK if the enemy team has too many carries. I've had a lot of success with it. Went in Dotabuff and saw someone in 7k buy it on MK:



"I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no?"



AC gives attack speed and supports your team. That's an expensive item for late game, tho. Would go into extension at best. "Midas before or after Blade Mail? I'd like to keep Force Staff as Core though"After either BM or Force."Haven't seen MK buy Ghost Sceptre, do you have a match to show it?"It's highly unpopular but it's really a great item on roam MK if the enemy team has too many carries. I've had a lot of success with it. Went in Dotabuff and saw someone in 7k buy it on MK: https://dotabuff.com/matches/3115383404?guide=b6265d . It allows you to just use your ultimate and then allow it to deal damage while carries can't target you, as well as be able to do some TP/tree dance escapes if the carries can't lock you down."I thought AC was a good idea but also a lost cause since your auto-attack is pretty poor unless you build into more attack speed, no?"AC gives attack speed and supports your team. That's an expensive item for late game, tho. Would go into extension at best.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-15 17:21:20 #6975 Ok on Midas for Clock



Not sure on MK Ghost Scepter, gotta wait til its common



AC just might not fit https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

bdonballer Profile Joined October 2014 United States 408 Posts #6976 Change anti mage starting build to 2 slippers instead of stout. I carry hard!

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6977 On April 15 2017 19:29 bdonballer wrote:

Change anti mage starting build to 2 slippers instead of stout.



Good idea, thanks! Good idea, thanks! https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Belisarius Profile Joined November 2010 Australia 3334 Posts #6978 Not a fan of Midas clock at all. Like, at all. People are just going to tunnelvision on it and afk, on a hero who is all about making stuff happen. And if they're even slightly behind they buy it and just feed every hook because they have no bulk.



I agree you should consider expanding the roam title, but the titles in general are pretty weird right now.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6979 On April 16 2017 05:29 Belisarius wrote:

Not a fan of Midas clock at all. Like, at all. People are just going to tunnelvision on it and afk, on a hero who is all about making stuff happen. And if they're even slightly behind they buy it and just feed every hook because they have no bulk.



I agree you should consider expanding the roam title, but the titles in general are pretty weird right now.



It's been consistently bought on all levels, it's a bit hard to ignore it. It's been consistently bought on all levels, it's a bit hard to ignore it. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Belisarius Profile Joined November 2010 Australia 3334 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-16 03:46:19 #6980 I know, but it's just such a timing and performance dependent pickup. The average 2k on a losing team probably squeezes out BM at 20 minutes and then wastes the next 10 saving for Midas only to lose 5min later.



At least with prophet and old LD, you know they're going to be useless for 20 minutes no matter what, so they might as well buy Midas. Clock, on the other hand, has a ton of work to do in the phase where he's considering it, is always balls deep, and also gets his gold from surviving fights.



Eh you probably can't ignore it, but I still hate it.

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