MediKing Profile Joined January 2014 United States 153 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-15 22:56:19 #1



Apocalypse eSports is built off the love for eSports. We plan on being big contributors to the scene, starting with our passion for StarCraft 2. Expect to see all of our guys in future teamleagues and tournaments. Our goal is to accommodate our players to LAN events to compete for championships and fame.

Apocalypse eSports is built off the love for eSports. We plan on being big contributors to the scene, starting with our passion for StarCraft 2. Expect to see all of our guys in future teamleagues and tournaments. Our goal is to accommodate our players to LAN events to compete for championships and fame. "Good evening ladies and gentlemen! My name is Jared "Daezen" Jahnke, and I am the President and CEO of Apocalypse eSports. As you are all now aware, Apocalypse eSports was founded by myself, and a number of talented individuals with a history in this sport. Our mission, is to succeed hands down. We currently have a 2 year plan, in which time we will build our marketability, and make the organization self sustaining. With the help of our management, and the skill of our players, I have no doubts in my mind that we will do just that. The structure of our staff is one that gives each one of us our passion, and drive to do what we love. We are currently looking forward to a few upcoming events, at which point we can truely debut the talent of this amazing organization."







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WarreNSC2 Profile Joined April 2015 United States 28 Posts #2 Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.

BasetradeTV Profile Blog Joined October 2012 Canada 1300 Posts #3



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Commentator

TheScriptan Profile Joined June 2014 Lithuania 151 Posts #4 On January 16 2016 07:48 WarreNSC2 wrote:

Nice! Hopefully this isn't another sham team.

So far it's not looking like one! THey look serious and promising! ^^ So far it's not looking like one! THey look serious and promising! ^^ Full-time student! Part-time SC2 Streamer - www.twitch.tv/thescriptan

MediKing Profile Joined January 2014 United States 153 Posts #5 On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



I was a volunteer SC2 manager for No Dice Gaming for some time, to gain my first real experiences in the scene. I helped out with the NDG Invitationals. My role was to make posts on TL, and to find foreign pro players to participate. I personally am unaware of any matchfixing? Shortly after the invitationals began, I actually left the team for my focus towards school. Still being good contacts with some of No Dice Gaming, I helped them find contacts for foreign pros and helped with liquipedia and TL because I like to do those things. If any matchfixing was happening, I was fully unaware and would be ashamed to hear of it. I was a volunteer SC2 manager for No Dice Gaming for some time, to gain my first real experiences in the scene. I helped out with the NDG Invitationals. My role was to make posts on TL, and to find foreign pro players to participate. I personally am unaware of any matchfixing? Shortly after the invitationals began, I actually left the team for my focus towards school. Still being good contacts with some of No Dice Gaming, I helped them find contacts for foreign pros and helped with liquipedia and TL because I like to do those things. If any matchfixing was happening, I was fully unaware and would be ashamed to hear of it.

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TelecoM Profile Blog Joined January 2010 United States 10243 Posts #7 No offense I don't expect this team to last long but best of luck regardless! AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting

Fecalfeast Profile Joined January 2010 Canada 11111 Posts #8 Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time? Moderator INFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA

A_needle_jog Profile Blog Joined December 2015 Korea (South) 699 Posts #9 ) good luck to MajOr and Welmu (rest of people I dont know sorry http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/3949980/1/llllllllllll/

Hathrow Profile Joined November 2011 Canada 15 Posts #10 On January 16 2016 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:

Is this team forming because of the new WCS regulations or was this in the works for a long time?





We did not form this team due to new regulations but they do play in our favor, and we have been in the works for a little under a month now.

We did not form this team due to new regulations but they do play in our favor, and we have been in the works for a little under a month now. Director of eSports for Apocalypse eSports

RHoudini Profile Joined October 2009 Belgium 3622 Posts #11 Good luck! Lee Jae Dong fighting!

y0su Profile Blog Joined September 2011 Finland 7871 Posts #12 GL!

WinterViewbot420 Profile Blog Joined December 2015 345 Posts #13 Oh great, another sham team that won't pay their players and the leader will go under the radar while they spend the players' money.

Cricketer12 Profile Blog Joined May 2012 United States 13092 Posts #14 best of luck! Solemn Strike FTW l SC2 Liquibet Season 17 Winner l I am beyond imagination, succumb to madness.

kuan888 Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 304 Posts #15 On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



Well at least it's not Aldaris...

Well at least it's not Aldaris... What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3

WinterViewbot420 Profile Blog Joined December 2015 345 Posts #16 On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



Well at least it's not Aldaris...

Well at least it's not Aldaris...



No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for. No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.

kuan888 Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 304 Posts #17 On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:

On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



Well at least it's not Aldaris...

Well at least it's not Aldaris...



No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for. No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.



Just wow...

Just wow... What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. -Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ||| Acer.Scarlett <3

DaezenAE Profile Joined January 2016 6 Posts #18 On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:

On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



Well at least it's not Aldaris...

Well at least it's not Aldaris...



No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for. No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.



I would actually love to clarify this if I may.



No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.



In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.



If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge. I would actually love to clarify this if I may.No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.

desRow Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Canada 2640 Posts #19

I've made a VLOG to further explain my thoughts on this new teams and my expectations as well as my aspirations http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting

GuitarBizarre Profile Blog Joined November 2011 United Kingdom 331 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-16 01:59:48 #20 On January 16 2016 10:26 DaezenAE wrote:

Show nested quote +

On January 16 2016 10:12 WinterViewbot420 wrote:

On January 16 2016 10:07 kuan888 wrote:

On January 16 2016 08:00 BasetradeTV wrote:

Mediking was the guy involved with



I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history. Mediking was the guy involved with NoDiceGaming , and more importantly, the *alleged match fixing* / Korean betting tournaments, sponsored by "Dragon's sponsor" and required 10 minutes of delay to cast.I'm not accusing him or this new team of anything, but just making sure everybody remembers these things. Strange that the players would get involved with somebody that has such a shady history.



Well at least it's not Aldaris...

Well at least it's not Aldaris...



No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for. No, it's just the same CEO as NDG that didn't pay his players, fueled the team with a Korean gambler, fixed most of his games, and went so far as to have a map hacker impersonate a Korean pro only to leave said player confused as to why people were congratulating him for winning a tournament he never signed up for.



I would actually love to clarify this if I may.



No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.



In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.



If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge. I would actually love to clarify this if I may.No Dice Gaming did not give power over finances to the CEO. That alone was held by the owners of the organization. The players in the organization did not have contracts signed by the CEO, but by the owners.In regards to the korean tournaments, I wont deny it was shady, but that, in and of itself, along with being a puppet with a title, is why my tag, and monty's will never say NDG again. As far as rigging, I was unaware of any of it, and offer my apologies to any players involved if it affected you in any way. It was not a choice made by myself or monty to run them, or to continue running them.If anyone has legit questions, myself or monty would love to answer them to the best of our knowledge.



Several questions.



1 - I really don't get how someone can be given the job title CEO and then state that they had no control. CEOs aren't call centre managers. Their role is to be the largest single voice in the day-to-day running of an organisation. Who are you claiming had all of this executive power? "The owners" is a very vague term - If I were less charitable I might even suspect that "The owners" are a purposefully vague bogeyman, to shift blame onto.



2 - The fact you organised your 2 year plan in a month fills me with dread and worry. Good business plans don't come together that easily or quickly. What details of this plan are you prepared to share?



3 - Before you were relabelled "CEO" your job title was eSports Manager, and you replaced someone else who used the name "Blue" - Who was this person and what sort of responsibilities did you inherit then. How did those responsibilities change when your job title was changed to CEO?



4 - Your announcement states you will make the team self-sustaining. At present that seems to say that the team isn't self sustaining. What sort of capital are you intending to run your organisation on while you make this a reality? Venture capital is historically unrealiable, and even organisations as large as MLG have failed to return on VC investments. That, coupled with a shrinking SC2 scene, that has already alienated many sponsors in the past thanks to community idiocy like "Call the sponsors" becoming a trend, does not inspire me with confidence that your org will ever become self sustaining.



5 - All of the existing teams in the Starcraft scene have other squads and have massively pared back their SC2 investments in recent years. EG and Liquid both have tiny squads compared to their peaks, and have expanded into other games. To me that says the space is not profitable, but that existing investments are worthwhile for those organisations. What kind of numbers have you crunched in order to determine your potential spend on players and promotion, and in comparison, what kind of numbers do you expect to pull in from sponsorship or other sources of revenue?



6 - Have you done the background checking necessary to ensure those numbers are achievable? Your roster contains only one prominent streamer, and his reputation is already poor, meaning his capacity for stream growth is limited. Your two big names aside from him have virtually no public visibility and retain fanbases based on their longterm involvement in the scene, so their potential for growth is also limited. The rest of your squad are unknowns in an extremely stagnant space - they are extremely unlikely to suddenly explode into the scene and win tournaments, and if they don't do that then your growth will be effectively zero.



You have a good squad, but as a sponsor I would see very little potential value in the exposure your squad can bring to my product, compared to say, Destiny, who, idiocy aside, is quite capable of introducing my products to people that have never seen them.



7 - Why do you have so many staff when your organisation hasn't played a single match? What kind of workload can you possibly be giving out to that number of people at this stage?



It's all well and good saying everyone in your org has their role, but efficient small businesses require people to wear many hats and work long hours. Lots of people organised around a small amount of actual work to do will only make sure your org falls flat on it's face.



In fact, it may well be prudent to put this question to you - It's been mentioned that all your staff are paid. Lets say that tomorrow you have the choice of firing MediKing and taking on his workload yourself, or to continue paying him when you know that will lessen your workload, but will put your organisation at financial risk, but you might be able to pull through if growth figures are strong enough to cover the wage.



Which option do you take?

Several questions.1 - I really don't get how someone can be given the job title CEO and then state that they had no control. CEOs aren't call centre managers. Their role is to be the largest single voice in the day-to-day running of an organisation. Who are you claiming had all of this executive power? "The owners" is a very vague term - If I were less charitable I might even suspect that "The owners" are a purposefully vague bogeyman, to shift blame onto.2 - The fact you organised your 2 year plan in a month fills me with dread and worry. Good business plans don't come together that easily or quickly. What details of this plan are you prepared to share?3 - Before you were relabelled "CEO" your job title was eSports Manager, and you replaced someone else who used the name "Blue" - Who was this person and what sort of responsibilities did you inherit then. How did those responsibilities change when your job title was changed to CEO?4 - Your announcement states you will make the team self-sustaining. At present that seems to say that the team isn't self sustaining. What sort of capital are you intending to run your organisation on while you make this a reality? Venture capital is historically unrealiable, and even organisations as large as MLG have failed to return on VC investments. That, coupled with a shrinking SC2 scene, that has already alienated many sponsors in the past thanks to community idiocy like "Call the sponsors" becoming a trend, does not inspire me with confidence that your org will ever become self sustaining.5 - All of the existing teams in the Starcraft scene have other squads and have massively pared back their SC2 investments in recent years. EG and Liquid both have tiny squads compared to their peaks, and have expanded into other games. To me that says the space is not profitable, but that existing investments are worthwhile for those organisations. What kind of numbers have you crunched in order to determine your potential spend on players and promotion, and in comparison, what kind of numbers do you expect to pull in from sponsorship or other sources of revenue?6 - Have you done the background checking necessary to ensure those numbers are achievable? Your roster contains only one prominent streamer, and his reputation is already poor, meaning his capacity for stream growth is limited. Your two big names aside from him have virtually no public visibility and retain fanbases based on their longterm involvement in the scene, so their potential for growth is also limited. The rest of your squad are unknowns in an extremely stagnant space - they are extremely unlikely to suddenly explode into the scene and win tournaments, and if they don't do that then your growth will be effectively zero.You have a good squad, but as a sponsor I would see very little potential value in the exposure your squad can bring to my product, compared to say, Destiny, who, idiocy aside, is quite capable of introducing my products to people that have never seen them.7 - Why do you have so many staff when your organisation hasn't played a single match? What kind of workload can you possibly be giving out to that number of people at this stage?It's all well and good saying everyone in your org has their role, but efficient small businesses require people to wear many hats and work long hours. Lots of people organised around a small amount of actual work to do will only make sure your org falls flat on it's face.In fact, it may well be prudent to put this question to you - It's been mentioned that all your staff are paid. Lets say that tomorrow you have the choice of firing MediKing and taking on his workload yourself, or to continue paying him when you know that will lessen your workload, but will put your organisation at financial risk, but you might be able to pull through if growth figures are strong enough to cover the wage.Which option do you take? In retrospect, I don't know how you can play StarCraft without swearing. - Eifer

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