Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-02-06 09:47:31 #6842 This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Belisarius, Buckyman, Velzi, Prezombie



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Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-22 12:01:24 #6843 Potential New Guides (Part 3) subject to change

Abaddon (Support)

Batrider (Jungle)

Chaos Knight (Offlane or Support?)

Enchantress (Offlane)

Engima (Offlane)

Morphling (Support or Offlane?)

Mirana (Support) - Roaming

Nature's Prophet (Offlane)

Necrophos (Offlane) or (Support)

Omniknight (Core) - Offlane?

Riki (Core) - Safe Lane

Treant Protector (Offlane or Jungle?)

Vengeful Spirit (Core) - Safe Lane

Wraith King (Jungle)

Zeus (Support) - Safe Lane



Potential Guides to be Removed (Part 3) Abaddon (Support)Batrider (Jungle)Chaos Knight (Offlane or Support?)Enchantress (Offlane)Engima (Offlane)Morphling (Support or Offlane?)Mirana (Support) - RoamingNature's Prophet (Offlane)Necrophos (Offlane) or (Support)Omniknight (Core) - Offlane?Riki (Core) - Safe LaneTreant Protector (Offlane or Jungle?)Vengeful Spirit (Core) - Safe LaneWraith King (Jungle)Zeus (Support) - Safe Lane subject to change

Ancient Apparition (Core)

Arc Warden (Core/Safe)

Bloodseeker (Middle)

Dragon Knight (Core/Safe)

Oracle (Core)

Oracle (Core)

Earth Spirit (Core)

Shadow Shaman (Core)

Slark (Core/Mid)

Tiny (Core/Mid)

Troll Warlord (Offlane)

Underlord (Support)

Warlock (Core)



Ancient Apparition (Core)Arc Warden (Core/Safe)Bloodseeker (Middle)Dragon Knight (Core/Safe)Oracle (Core)Oracle (Core)Earth Spirit (Core)Shadow Shaman (Core)Slark (Core/Mid)Tiny (Core/Mid)Troll Warlord (Offlane)Underlord (Support)Warlock (Core) * not all guides are being considered to be deleted or added, this is just a compilation of ideas

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Velzi Profile Joined June 2012 Finland 598 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-22 12:45:10 #6844



Aba sure, just throw in items omni has and u cant go wrong (not really but still).



Bat please no, especially with the new jungle lvl1 bat jungling is nightmare, u need atleast lvl2.



CK too early imo, i would rather wait until some pros actually do it, its one of those pub memeish builds that work sometimes but has very small operating window



Ench I havent seen off ench for a long time, it feels like u cant really do the same thing u did earlier with offlane ench but dont quote me on that, pos4 seems just better.



Enigma i actually played this like yesterday or so, after first 2 waves went jungle, didnt really work for me (VS Oracle+Morphling).



Morphling, uum i guess morphling could have 2 guides, only thing im surprised a bit is how pro scene really never picked up on this supportling, its pretty damn good.



Mirana, while im not a huge fan of having useless mirana throwing arrows and never hitting, this exact thing is done so much in the pubs might aswell give them a build to increase the chance roaming mirana actually working.



NP while the offlane NP is really good and should be played a lot more, i feel like this is not a build thats going to get a lot of attention, people still play the good old naked midas jungle NP, sad but true.



Necro already said last page what i think about this.



Omni offlane has been quite popular lately as a dual laner, i havent checked the items done by pros (9pasha 2 games in dotapit, https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2927197348



Riki personally no, i dont have much to back this up other than one lost ranked game few days ago where my safelane riki went 6-11-8 and had 0 impact.



Treant, i dont think u will get much out of offlaning treant and u are not really fast jungler anyways, roaming support is the way to go with the new Q i feel.



Venge personally i like this and feel like its stronger than people think but still one of those guides i afraid wont get much attention because of how pubs tend to stick one thing they have learned (support venge). Worth a try? maybe.



WK jungle, im not feeling confident about this, its not really fast because u dont lifesteal fast enough to keep up the hp in early lvls and u really need atleast lvl3 crit to jungle fast. Also u would have to skip stun early to jungle faster, no thanks.



Zeus support, one of those things that are done a lot in pubs when forced to (all random, sd and stuff when u have 2 heroes who cant play support), its definitely a thing. Whether its worth a guide to make pub support zeus even more stable idk.

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AA removed, yeah i think thats fine.



BS middle, i think u could try to combine core and offlane guides to one core build with items viable for all lanes, or somehow include mid early game items to their own section. There is not really difference in core items after early game no matter where u lane.



DK Pretty much the same as BS, as a mid u get bottle and as a safelane u might get Soul Ring, other than that items afer early game game are the same. Combining seems one option.



Oracle yeah, i think its been long enough time since Oracle release to safely say there is not going to be meta where oracle core is going to be a thing, even new aghs upgrade hasnt changed anything.



ES core, a lot more potential than Oracle f.e., but u build pretty much the same stuff as support ES so i guess one guide should be enough. If u decide to go for one, its definitely support.



Shaman, mid shaman is fun and all but never done, i would dump this.



Slark one core build should be enough, much like DK only really difference is the bottle.



Tiny, this is hard one because of same things i mentioned with DK and Slark, only real difference is that Tiny is played as a safelane and mid a lot more if u compare to DK safe or Mid Slark, hard to say.



Troll Offlane, dunno why this even exists, hero is too farm dependent to be played as off. U are not slardar.



Underlord support, Dotapit is a good example how he is played right now 90% the time, u are very lvl dependent so i dont think support is the way to go. + u build same items as a offlane/support UL, only difference is u are way slower and buy some wards as a support. U can keep it if u feel like its not resolved yet good enough.



Warlock core, i love this but i know its not played enough to warrant guide, especially after recent success as a hard support in last like, 6 months or so.



Potential New Guides:Aba sure, just throw in items omni has and u cant go wrong (not really but still).Bat please no, especially with the new jungle lvl1 bat jungling is nightmare, u need atleast lvl2.CK too early imo, i would rather wait until some pros actually do it, its one of those pub memeish builds that work sometimes but has very small operating windowEnch I havent seen off ench for a long time, it feels like u cant really do the same thing u did earlier with offlane ench but dont quote me on that, pos4 seems just better.Enigma i actually played this like yesterday or so, after first 2 waves went jungle, didnt really work for me (VS Oracle+Morphling).Morphling, uum i guess morphling could have 2 guides, only thing im surprised a bit is how pro scene really never picked up on this supportling, its pretty damn good.Mirana, while im not a huge fan of having useless mirana throwing arrows and never hitting, this exact thing is done so much in the pubs might aswell give them a build to increase the chance roaming mirana actually working.NP while the offlane NP is really good and should be played a lot more, i feel like this is not a build thats going to get a lot of attention, people still play the good old naked midas jungle NP, sad but true.Necro already said last page what i think about this.Omni offlane has been quite popular lately as a dual laner, i havent checked the items done by pros (9pasha 2 games in dotapit, https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2927313529 Riki personally no, i dont have much to back this up other than one lost ranked game few days ago where my safelane riki went 6-11-8 and had 0 impact.Treant, i dont think u will get much out of offlaning treant and u are not really fast jungler anyways, roaming support is the way to go with the new Q i feel.Venge personally i like this and feel like its stronger than people think but still one of those guides i afraid wont get much attention because of how pubs tend to stick one thing they have learned (support venge). Worth a try? maybe.WK jungle, im not feeling confident about this, its not really fast because u dont lifesteal fast enough to keep up the hp in early lvls and u really need atleast lvl3 crit to jungle fast. Also u would have to skip stun early to jungle faster, no thanks.Zeus support, one of those things that are done a lot in pubs when forced to (all random, sd and stuff when u have 2 heroes who cant play support), its definitely a thing. Whether its worth a guide to make pub support zeus even more stable idk.----AA removed, yeah i think thats fine.BS middle, i think u could try to combine core and offlane guides to one core build with items viable for all lanes, or somehow include mid early game items to their own section. There is not really difference in core items after early game no matter where u lane.DK Pretty much the same as BS, as a mid u get bottle and as a safelane u might get Soul Ring, other than that items afer early game game are the same. Combining seems one option.Oracle yeah, i think its been long enough time since Oracle release to safely say there is not going to be meta where oracle core is going to be a thing, even new aghs upgrade hasnt changed anything.ES core, a lot more potential than Oracle f.e., but u build pretty much the same stuff as support ES so i guess one guide should be enough. If u decide to go for one, its definitely support.Shaman, mid shaman is fun and all but never done, i would dump this.Slark one core build should be enough, much like DK only really difference is the bottle.Tiny, this is hard one because of same things i mentioned with DK and Slark, only real difference is that Tiny is played as a safelane and mid a lot more if u compare to DK safe or Mid Slark, hard to say.Troll Offlane, dunno why this even exists, hero is too farm dependent to be played as off. U are not slardar.Underlord support, Dotapit is a good example how he is played right now 90% the time, u are very lvl dependent so i dont think support is the way to go. + u build same items as a offlane/support UL, only difference is u are way slower and buy some wards as a support. U can keep it if u feel like its not resolved yet good enough.Warlock core, i love this but i know its not played enough to warrant guide, especially after recent success as a hard support in last like, 6 months or so. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-30 08:12:05 #6845 Anti-Mage

Added Slippers of Agility to Starting Items



Wraith King

Added Iron Branch to Starting Items



Night Stalker

Added Gauntlet of Strength to Starting Items



Broodmother

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15% XP Gain), 15 (20% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (+50 Attack Speed), 25 (+200 Spiders Health)



Sven

Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Added Helm of the Dominator to Early Game

Moved Mask of Madness to Situational Items

Removed Quelling Blade



Lich

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Movement Speed), 15 (+100 Cast Range), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (Attacks Apply 30% MS and AS Slow)

Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items

Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity



Ember Spirit (Core/Mid)

New Skill Build: E Q E Q E R E W Q T Q R W W W T R T T (1. Flame Guard 2. Searing Chains 3. Sleight of Fist)



Underlord (Offlane)

New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W T R E E T E R T T (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+100 Cast Range), 25 (+50 Health Regen)



Underlord (Support)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+100 Cast Range), 25 (+50 Health Regen)



Lone Druid (Core)

Added Butterfly to Extension Items

Removed Sange & Yasha



Invoker (Quas/Wex)

New Skill Build: Q W W Q W Q W E W T W E W E T E E E E T Q T (1. Wex 2. Exort 3. Quas)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Health), 15 (+1 Forged Spirit Summoned), 20 (+7 All Stats), 25 (AOE Deafening Blast)

Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core Items

Removed Orchid of Malevolence

Removed Bloodthorn



Invoker (Quas/Exort)

New Skill Build: E W E Q E Q Q E E T E W E W T W W W Q T Q T (1. Exort 2. Wex 3. Quas)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+1 Forged Spirit Summoned), 20 (+7 All Stats), 25 (AOE Deafening Blast) Added Slippers of Agility to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Branch to Starting ItemsAdded Gauntlet of Strength to Starting ItemsNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15% XP Gain), 15 (20% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (+50 Attack Speed), 25 (+200 Spiders Health)Added Iron Branch to Starting ItemsAdded Helm of the Dominator to Early GameMoved Mask of Madness to Situational ItemsRemoved Quelling BladeNew Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Movement Speed), 15 (+100 Cast Range), 20 (+120 Gold/Min), 25 (Attacks Apply 30% MS and AS Slow)Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension ItemsRemoved Eul's Scepter of DivinityNew Skill Build: E Q E Q E R E W Q T Q R W W W T R T T (1. Flame Guard 2. Searing Chains 3. Sleight of Fist)New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W T R E E T E R T T (1. Firestorm 2. Pit of Malice 3. Atrophy Aura)New Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+100 Cast Range), 25 (+50 Health Regen)New Talent Tree: 11 (+2 Mana Regen), 15 (+200 Health), 20 (+100 Cast Range), 25 (+50 Health Regen)Added Butterfly to Extension ItemsRemoved Sange & YashaNew Skill Build: Q W W Q W Q W E W T W E W E T E E E E T Q T (1. Wex 2. Exort 3. Quas)New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Health), 15 (+1 Forged Spirit Summoned), 20 (+7 All Stats), 25 (AOE Deafening Blast)Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension ItemsMoved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Core ItemsRemoved Orchid of MalevolenceRemoved BloodthornNew Skill Build: E W E Q E Q Q E E T E W E W T W W W Q T Q T (1. Exort 2. Wex 3. Quas)New Talent Tree: 10 (+15 Damage), 15 (+1 Forged Spirit Summoned), 20 (+7 All Stats), 25 (AOE Deafening Blast) https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Buckyman Profile Joined May 2014 1362 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-23 05:37:09 #6846 I ended up pushed into carry Venge for my one game yesterday (matchid=2930957368) and ended up improvising an item build because there none of the existing guides for it were 7.0x compliant (I didn't see any with talents) or even seemed modern (e.g. no dragon lances).



The character-role combination was fine; the stun was necessary to force out the enemy offlaner, and the attack speed really stacked up later.



I also see quite a bit of core venge in the current Dota Pit, but am not really qualified to evaluate why.



(E) My improvised build, Aquila->Treads->HotD+Dragon Lance, is Arteezy-approved. Continuing the attack speed + Strength pumping with S&Y -> Butterfly is probably wrong.

bdonballer Profile Joined October 2014 United States 408 Posts #6847

Helm of dominator rush to speed up farming immensely with a good creep (hellbear or alpha wolf work best)

Treads, dragon lance, and I prefer maelstrom. Helps so much with farming and even more dps in fights.



Also for enchantress offlane see the player in this game

This was I think a high 5k player, very experienced enchantress from what I could tell.

4-0-4-1 build. Skipped enchant entirely. Phase, drums, hurricane pike.



Omni is also a decent offlaner depending on the matchups. Against a 2 melee safelane he holds his own, but against ranged heroes he suffers for xp. Core venge is definitely legit https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2920899665 Helm of dominator rush to speed up farming immensely with a good creep (hellbear or alpha wolf work best)Treads, dragon lance, and I prefer maelstrom. Helps so much with farming and even more dps in fights.Also for enchantress offlane see the player in this game https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2929681292 This was I think a high 5k player, very experienced enchantress from what I could tell.4-0-4-1 build. Skipped enchant entirely. Phase, drums, hurricane pike.Omni is also a decent offlaner depending on the matchups. Against a 2 melee safelane he holds his own, but against ranged heroes he suffers for xp. I carry hard!

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6848



Second time he's trying Dota 2 and he's using the hero builds again! Second time he's trying Dota 2 and he's using the hero builds again!

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Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-24 17:33:27 #6849 I've started withdrawing payments from 2016 Patreon Campaign.

Those who have been contacted - but didn't give me their paypals, the excel sheet will reflect the amount you are owed/deserved for the future should you ever want or need the money.



Those who did give me their paypal accounts, you should have received the money by now. If you didn't, PM me.



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The rest will go to developing the website. Nothing will be personally kept or used, anything leftover from developing the website will just be used towards the next Patreon goal ($1000).



I will withdraw payments from the 2017 campaign in January of 2018. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Buckyman Profile Joined May 2014 1362 Posts #6850 I think you should at the very least pull the same amount for personal use that the other community contributors get.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-24 19:59:15 #6851 On January 25 2017 04:33 Buckyman wrote:

I think you should at the very least pull the same amount for personal use that the other community contributors get.



Yes I should, but then how can I act as a martyr and pretend I'm only doing this for the greater good? /s



Truth of the matter is that I really want a dedicated website to collate everything about the hero builds. I've been smart with my finances after each esports job where I do not need to rely on anything gained via the Patreon campaign. This new job I have pays very comfortably, so I can just keep doing this for the heck of it.



Which, in turn, means I can just dedicate the funds into fully-expanding the project into a website, maybe tutorial videos and a tutorial custom game series. This means I can also appropriately pay people to do what they love (website design for a gaming project, video-editing/VO for their favourite game, modding/designing a custom game series to help new players) and I can learn to do these things to.



So I am not directly earning or using the money, but I am taking advantage of it to try things I always wanted to try with little personal risk and appropriately compensating those who are experts at it, but never got the opportunity to follow-through (since it doesn't pay the bills). To top it off, users will be directly helping themselves with this campaign instead of it going towards some middle-class college graduate pretending to make a career out of a fully-fledged hobby.



That's the skinny of it. I still dislike Patreon but if I'm going to do it, I might as well make it worthwhile for everyone (for now).



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+ Show Spoiler + I'm actually dissatisfied with the amount given, but I used the first year to compensate those who were very helpful in the previous [2013-2016] years (calling it: 'retroactive remuneration') so the percentage-base of distribution was lower all around.



This year, I am focusing on those who are active throughout the year and upping the %.

Yes I should, but then how can I act as a martyr and pretend I'm only doing this for the greater good? /sTruth of the matter is that I really want a dedicated website to collate everything about the hero builds. I've been smart with my finances after each esports job where I do not need to rely on anything gained via the Patreon campaign. This new job I have pays very comfortably, so I can just keep doing this for the heck of it.Which, in turn, means I can just dedicate the funds into fully-expanding the project into a website, maybe tutorial videos and a tutorial custom game series. This means I can also appropriately pay people to do what they love (website design for a gaming project, video-editing/VO for their favourite game, modding/designing a custom game series to help new players) and I can learn to do these things to.So I am not directly earning or using the money, but I am taking advantage of it to try things I always wanted to try with little personal risk and appropriately compensating those who are experts at it, but never got the opportunity to follow-through (since it doesn't pay the bills). To top it off, users will be directly helping themselves with this campaign instead of it going towards some middle-class college graduate pretending to make a career out of a fully-fledged hobby.That's the skinny of it. I still dislike Patreon but if I'm going to do it, I might as well make it worthwhile for everyone (for now).-- https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Logo Profile Joined April 2010 United States 4568 Posts #6852 Good stuff Torte!



I'm excited to see a website (possibly) come together. Logo

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6853 On January 25 2017 05:25 Logo wrote:

Good stuff Torte!



I'm excited to see a website (possibly) come together.



I have to start looking into possible candidates this year. I'm hoping to launch it after The International at least.



Thanks (: I have to start looking into possible candidates this year. I'm hoping to launch it after The International at least.Thanks (: https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Buckyman Profile Joined May 2014 1362 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-25 01:23:15 #6854 Troll(core) can start with either Slippers (towards poor man's shield) or Ring of Protection (towards basilius) on top of his current starting items.



Also, as a melee hero, does Underlord offlane really want a starting clarity over another branch?

bdonballer Profile Joined October 2014 United States 408 Posts #6855 On January 25 2017 10:15 Buckyman wrote:

Troll(core) can start with either Slippers (towards poor man's shield) or Ring of Protection (towards basilius) on top of his current starting items.



Also, as a melee hero, does Underlord offlane really want a starting clarity over another branch?

I agree with starting with a ring of protection. Early basi allows him to have enough mana sustain to use his whirling axes whenever needed. You won't be able to reliably get courier to you early without mid getting mad at you for taking courier and delaying bottle. I would also suggest adding ring of protection on slark and luna to start with as well for the same purpose.



Underlord offlane doesn't really a need a clarity. You want to just fight for the xp and use the Q to get some last hits as well. In turn, you will probably take some damage and have to go to the shrine inevitably. Shrine saves more time. You can always use the starting branches for extra tango regen as well or turn it into a magic wand. I agree with starting with a ring of protection. Early basi allows him to have enough mana sustain to use his whirling axes whenever needed. You won't be able to reliably get courier to you early without mid getting mad at you for taking courier and delaying bottle. I would also suggest adding ring of protection on slark and luna to start with as well for the same purpose.Underlord offlane doesn't really a need a clarity. You want to just fight for the xp and use the Q to get some last hits as well. In turn, you will probably take some damage and have to go to the shrine inevitably. Shrine saves more time. You can always use the starting branches for extra tango regen as well or turn it into a magic wand. I carry hard!

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6856 I may be slow on updates. I am going to Russia starting on Sunday then may be moving to Berlin (again). https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6857 Hero Builds de-synced again, so tired of it all. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6858 Publishing Changes since there is nothing I can do. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-01-30 08:26:06 #6859





Still mad that my Nature's Prophet guide is gone in-game for two months in a row: Stats on the 5th and I come back from Russia on the 3rd. Topic will be pretty dead until Valve fixes the servers again for the third time.Still mad that my Nature's Prophet guide is gone in-game for two months in a row: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128925332 https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-02-02 23:43:31 #6860



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https://www.reddit.com/r/HeroBuilds/comments/5rnikf/searching_for_a_website_developer_to_create_the/



I have posted an ad for a web designer. But I am getting some scumbag responses through PMs that makes me regret going the public route. A lot of people talking unnecessarily down to me and think I am trying to get a cheap price (when it is very much the opposite).



I might consider going through references of friends and trusted people. Servers are reconnected, but I am stuck in Russia.--I have posted an ad for a web designer. But I am getting some scumbag responses through PMs that makes me regret going the public route. A lot of people talking unnecessarily down to me and think I am trying to get a cheap price (when it is very much the opposite).I might consider going through references of friends and trusted people. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

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