Joining Kasie Hunt for a panel on MSNBC on Sunday, former U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance said that President Donald Trump is not exactly talking like an innocent man.

She started off by saying that she thinks it is likely that if Trump were a private citizen that his lawyers would be negotiating a plea deal.

“There’s a good reason to believe that there are criminal charges against the president ranging from campaign finance to obstruction,” she explained, stressing Trump was not exactly in the all-clear, at least based on publicly available evidence.

She continued on: “We haven’t seen all of the information about the foundation and inauguration yet, but that looks problematic as well.”

Then she suggested Trump may be protesting and changing stories too much: “And so the president’s repeated cries of witch hunt or they’re out to get me. At some point that wears very thin as layer upon layer of wrongdoing and misconduct is weighted down by the president’s changing stories, his constantly shifting stories, which is such a hallmark of a guilty mind.”

Watch above, via MSNBC

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