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Last edit: September 03, 2015, 03:36:25 PM by tungfa #102682 Masternode Start Announcement/Reminder v12 !



Please do NOT use "masternode start" or "masternode start-many/alias" commands anymore to bump your node !!

This worked before, but now since v12 this will affect your node position quite the opposite way now. Use them only when you actually start new MN or MN that dropped out of list. You should not use this command if there is no additional announcement and/or no protocol bump mentioned because in usual cases MN will start automatically on daemon restart.



Some simple notes on what to do in case of some issues:

- If your daemon died but MN still in the list - just restart the daemon and check in next 5-10 minutes if it's still in the list.

- If your daemon died and MN dropped from the list on some site - that doesn't really mean 100% that it dropped on the whole network, could still be visible in some parts of network for another few minutes so just restart demon again and see if it reappear in next 5-10 minutes there. If not - no luck then, everyone kicked you out of list and you have to use "masternode start" or "masternode start-many/alias" and start from the end of payment queue again.



we have many many people asking the same question:

why are my MN's not getting paid since 7-10 days ?

Well, everybody made the same mistake as described above.

only use "start' when actually needed



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Sr. MemberActivity: 427Merit: 250 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 04:25:12 PM #102683



Quote Child Harold  3 hours ago

This is most dissatisfying and I am unhappy with the way this has been handled. That you are unable to resolve your differences is remarkable to me and what the hell is ursium btw? This release should have come from the Team /Stephan simultaneouly. Stephan may well have done a lot for Ethereum but he's also made substantial profits which one presumes he'll inject into his next project. Good luck I guess even though at this time I really dont mean it. If the Ethereum community is so wonderful why not stick around? And if you had these issues (presumably related to some of the early investment) why did you not step down sooner?



Poor show, a bientôt. Our old friend:

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http://availableimagination.com/exploiting-ripple-transaction-ordering-for-fun-and-profit/



' Ripple is hardly suitable for HFT, but it does share one thing in common with HFT markets, and that is that there is latency between a trade being known to the network and it being executed and applied to a closed ledger. Given the previous exploit of being able to manipulate transaction order a slightly more terrifying exploit presents itself:' ...



...Mine a transaction id for B which is less than the transaction id of the incoming proposed transaction, but as close as possible.

Mine a transaction id for A which is less than the transaction id of B, but as close as possible.

Submit A and then B."



tasty bounty to anyone who produces the miner I didn't know you could mine ripple transaction IDs, is this a type of market front running hack then ?tasty bounty to anyone who produces the miner Dash is 27.3 times faster with syncing and updating than Bitcoin and 93.7 times faster than Monero. Bitcoin (v0.11.0) has a Tao ratio 11.2% faster than bitcoin (v0.10.0) release.

Dash (v.0.12.0.49) = Tao sync ratio = 0.15 seconds / hour of update || Dash (v.0.11.2.23) = Tao sync ratio = 0.24 seconds / hour of update. V12 versus V11 speedup = +36.5%

Bitcoin (v.0.11.0) = Tao sync ratio = 4.14 seconds / hour of update || Monero (v.0.41.1) = Tao sync ratio = 14.2 seconds / hour of update

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LegendaryActivity: 1064Merit: 1000 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 08:26:09 PM #102688



Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.



None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?



WOW!



Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!



This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.

Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.



I confess I do love paradoxes.

I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.



In theymos we lost respect.



PoW bless



Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.



Talk about abuse of power... WOWZERS !!Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?WOW!Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.I confess I do love paradoxes.I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.In theymos we lost respect.PoW bless www.dashtalk.org Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.Talk about abuse of power...

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Sr. MemberActivity: 461Merit: 250 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 08:46:27 PM #102690 Quote from: GhostPlayer on September 03, 2015, 08:26:09 PM



Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.



None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?



WOW!



Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!



This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.

Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.



I confess I do love paradoxes.

I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.



In theymos we lost respect.



PoW bless



Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.



Talk about abuse of power...

WOWZERS !!Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?WOW!Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.I confess I do love paradoxes.I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.In theymos we lost respect.PoW bless www.dashtalk.org Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.Talk about abuse of power... I wonder if they'll delete this too :-)

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LegendaryActivity: 1274Merit: 1000 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 09:01:52 PM #102691 Quote from: dazbarlby on September 03, 2015, 08:46:27 PM Quote from: GhostPlayer on September 03, 2015, 08:26:09 PM



Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.



None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?



WOW!



Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!



This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.

Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.



I confess I do love paradoxes.

I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.



In theymos we lost respect.



PoW bless



Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.



Talk about abuse of power...

WOWZERS !!Bitcontalk.org moderators deleted 6 of my posts today.None were troll-driven. None were insulting. None were... nothing!! Just basic daily this and that and the other about this and that and the other about cryptos, surrounding Dash, and the crypto-sphere in general. Is it really breaking the rules posting that LTC broke 15 yuan? Or commenting the open CoinWallet BTC spam attack? Or asking when LTC halving occurred? Or considering the amount of scrypt ASIC failed deliveries in the past year and a half?WOW!Absolutely NOTHING was out of the rules, I checked!!This post will surely be short lived as it speaks about moderation, which is in fact, against the rules.Like in any oligarchic organisation, where the status-quo is an amorph entity who's physicality shall not be challenged.I confess I do love paradoxes.I wonder if the pseudo-subliminal message will get through.In theymos we lost respect.PoW bless www.dashtalk.org Feel free to make a poster of this post before it gets deleted and I get banned.Talk about abuse of power...

I wonder if they'll delete this too :-)

keep posting Ghost, even if not 100% on topic, we love here talk about lot of things. And be aware of what is going on outside dash sphere too. I hope notkeep posting Ghost, even if not 100% on topic, we love here talk about lot of things. And be aware of what is going on outside dash sphere too.

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LegendaryActivity: 1204Merit: 1010 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 09:27:17 PM #102692 moli just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:



Proposal for Testnet Contributors Fund





____________

Dear Members of the Dash Community,



As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.



I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread:



To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!



Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.



I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed. I am going to submit this proposal and will let you know how to vote soon.



Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!



To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:



mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



To vote from the command-line:



./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



Thank you for your support!

____________



To discuss it - please visit the original post: just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:____________Dear Members of the Dash Community,As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread: https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-release.5888/ To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed.Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesTo vote from the command-line:./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesThank you for your support!____________To discuss it - please visit the original post: https://dashtalk.org/threads/proposal-for-testnet-contributors-fund.6073/ Pyccкий DASH-чaт в Telegram | Pyccкaя cтpaницa DASH в Фeйcбyкe - нoвocти o DASH | Bce пyбликaции o Dash нa Pyccкoм языкe в 2018 гoдy (+ apxив 2015-2017)

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LegendaryActivity: 1372Merit: 1018 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM

Last edit: September 03, 2015, 10:52:22 PM by oblox #102693 Quote from: alex-ru on September 03, 2015, 09:27:17 PM moli just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:



Proposal for Testnet Contributors Fund





____________

Dear Members of the Dash Community,



As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.



I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread:



To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!



Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.



I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed. I am going to submit this proposal and will let you know how to vote soon.



Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!



To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:



mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



To vote from the command-line:



./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



Thank you for your support!

____________



To discuss it - please visit the original post:

just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:____________Dear Members of the Dash Community,As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread: https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-release.5888/ To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed.Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesTo vote from the command-line:./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesThank you for your support!____________To discuss it - please visit the original post: https://dashtalk.org/threads/proposal-for-testnet-contributors-fund.6073/

I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.



Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.



Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one. I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.

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LegendaryActivity: 2268Merit: 1174 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 10:48:45 PM #102694

Quote from: alex-ru on September 03, 2015, 09:27:17 PM To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms.....The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers"

I like this idea. Testing can be a PITA, because it's a stop-start process, can be dry mundane work. And yet it's one of the most important and crucially useful phases of production.



Recognising the value of people's efforts who contribute to this process would be another brick in the industrial integrity of this project.



If I knew how to, I'd point some voting power at this. Where can I find out how to do it ?



Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere

Maybe it could be quota'd. i.e at the end of a given period (say every 3 months) a small budget is dolled out to testers who contributed some minimum threshold of input (either in terms of hours or by completing some specified testing programme such as x-transactions, completing data sheets to prove outcomes etc). It doesn't have to be a lot but a symbolic recognition of input to testing programmes would be a good thing to have IMO. I like this idea. Testing can be a PITA, because it's a stop-start process, can be dry mundane work. And yet it's one of the most important and crucially useful phases of production.Recognising the value of people's efforts who contribute to this process would be another brick in the industrial integrity of this project.If I knew how to, I'd point some voting power at this. Where can I find out how to do it ?Maybe it could be quota'd. i.e at the end of a given period (say every 3 months) a small budget is dolled out to testers who contributed some minimum threshold of input (either in terms of hours or by completing some specified testing programme such as x-transactions, completing data sheets to prove outcomes etc). It doesn't have to be a lot but a symbolic recognition of input to testing programmes would be a good thing to have IMO.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 447Merit: 250 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 11:07:59 PM #102695 Quote from: Mangled Blue on September 03, 2015, 10:53:29 PM Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM Quote from: alex-ru on September 03, 2015, 09:27:17 PM moli just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:



Proposal for Testnet Contributors Fund

just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:

I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.



Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.



Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.

I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.



I thought the same thing but it's actually a one-time Proposal for V12 testing - not a forward moving Proposal -

I thought the same thing but it's actually a one-time Proposal for V12 testing - not a forward moving Proposal -

I like the idea that it's a one-off event and that it is to be paid to those who contributed to the testing process without expecting anything in return. It could also provide additional incentive for helping out on Testnet in the future, if people believe there is a possibility they will receive some sort of compensation.



There's a link to the translations page at the bottom of the V12 testing thread, perhaps they should be compensated for their work too, though maybe another time.



I do like the idea of using the funds for charitable events and worthy causes too. I like the idea that it's a one-off event and that it is to be paid to those who contributed to the testing process without expecting anything in return. It could also provide additional incentive for helping out on Testnet in the future, if people believe there is a possibility they will receive some sort of compensation.There's a link to the translations page at the bottom of the V12 testing thread, perhaps they should be compensated for their work too, though maybe another time.I do like the idea of using the funds for charitable events and worthy causes too.

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LegendaryActivity: 1372Merit: 1018 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 11:28:46 PM #102696 Quote from: Mangled Blue on September 03, 2015, 10:53:29 PM Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM Quote from: alex-ru on September 03, 2015, 09:27:17 PM moli just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:



Proposal for Testnet Contributors Fund





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Dear Members of the Dash Community,



As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.



I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread:



To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!



Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.



I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed. I am going to submit this proposal and will let you know how to vote soon.



Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!



To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:



mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



To vote from the command-line:



./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yes



Thank you for your support!

____________



To discuss it - please visit the original post:

just published one more budget proposal on Dashtalk:____________Dear Members of the Dash Community,As you all know we have witnessed an ongoing development of one of the greatest cryptocurrencies in history. We are fortunate to be involved with a wonderful team of talented developers who have been working tirelessly on this project. Also, many people contribute quietly in the background to this project unselfishly with their time and talents.I have been part of this project since Aug. 4, 2014 because I would like to help with testing the software. Ive never asked for money or favor for myself, but today I would like to ask the community for their support. Currently we still have about 1588 DASH available for projects, and if this amount of Dash is not allocated, it will be destroyed, will never be mined; this is part of the budget system design. I propose this amount go to Testnet contributors who helped with the infrastructure and testing for version 12. The names of testers for version 12 are on the OP of V12 Release thread: https://dashtalk.org/threads/v12-release.5888/ To successfully test Dash enhancements, Testnet needs volunteers to install, manage and test Masternodes, faucets, block explorers, mining software and hardware, and end-user wallets on three different platforms (Mac, Windows, Linux). These cost both time and money. Currently, volunteers are paying these costs out of pocket and offering many hours of their time to test version after version of Dash software. During this testing I downloaded and installed version 12 over 150 times to test!Many of our volunteers have helped with testing long before this most recent version. These people perform a crucial role testing each component of the project software before releasing to Mainnet and help make releases successful. Although these volunteers have remained quiet helpers, I would like to say thank you by compensating them to encourage their continued assistance and support. Please support these volunteers by voting YES to this initiative.I will continue to help and support this project and would like to invite other members to join the testing team to be part of this exciting project. If the proposal is approved, I will present a spreadsheet with the pay plan that Ive been working on. The compensation will be fair. Any feedback and suggestion will be welcomed.Proposal has been submitted. The name of the proposal is "compensate-testers". The command to see all proposal is "mnbudget show". Please vote!To vote from your wallet console, simply execute this command:mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesTo vote from the command-line:./dash-cli mnbudget vote-many c0e0c1a9d7b64feffae1a0c4a616ec709893a07832cb48e99fbe2d0e295c9ba7 yesThank you for your support!____________To discuss it - please visit the original post: https://dashtalk.org/threads/proposal-for-testnet-contributors-fund.6073/

I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.



Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.



Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.

I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.



I thought the same thing but it's actually a one-time Proposal for V12 testing - not a forward moving Proposal -

I thought the same thing but it's actually a one-time Proposal for V12 testing - not a forward moving Proposal -

No it's not... it's 12 months of payments. The whole proposal in its current state assuming nothing better comes along amounts to 19056 dash over 12 months--1588/mo No it's not... it's 12 months of payments. The whole proposal in its current state assuming nothing better comes along amounts to 19056 dash over 12 months--1588/mo

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LegendaryActivity: 1372Merit: 1018 Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX September 03, 2015, 11:42:52 PM #102699 Quote from: moocowmoo on September 03, 2015, 11:32:51 PM Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM I could have gotten behind this as a one-time payment to generously reward those that helped with the testing but ongoing is just too much frankly--at 30 people, it's close to $160/mo per person and that's money that could be better spent elsewhere. I'm fine using up the remaining budget this month since the superblock is nearing but not ongoing at that amount. Coming from someone who has done a fair share of testing in previous releases (not so much in the v12 rollout), I know the amount of time and resources that can be involved and I'm certainly not belittling it by not supporting this as it currently stands.



A few questions to think about:



What would be a fair hourly rate?

How many man-hours does each release cycle consume?

At what hourly rate would more volunteers be incentivized to participate?

What service costs are incurred by volunteers?



Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM Getting new users and getting the name out there should take precedence here. Excess, unallotted coins should go to sponsoring charitable events and worthy causes. Crypto has such a bad rap over the years that it would do some good to see some positivity and if it attracts new users, it's a win-win.



A different budget has already been allocated for marketing.



Unallotted coins go nowhere, they're never generated in the first place.



Quote from: oblox on September 03, 2015, 10:40:31 PM Everyone running a mainnet masternode should also support testnet by running a testnet masternode. There is no reason not to unless we are talking incredibly barebones boxes here. Tao, update your tutorial to open testnet ports and show people how to actually set up a testnet masternode. People follow your guide as is and if it's in there, there will be testnet masternodes with every new mainnet one.



This is bad advice.



Quite often, development-branch executables are badly behaved and can affect VPS instances accordingly.

Running a testnet node is fine. Running bleeding-edge, work-in-progress daemons not so much.



A few questions to think about:What would be a fair hourly rate?How many man-hours does each release cycle consume?At what hourly rate would more volunteers be incentivized to participate?What service costs are incurred by volunteers?A different budget has already been allocated for marketing.Unallotted coins go nowhere, they're never generated in the first place.This is bad advice.Quite often, development-branch executables are badly behaved and can affect VPS instances accordingly.Running a testnet node is fine. Running bleeding-edge, work-in-progress daemons not so much.

There isn't a "fair hourly rate"... it's testing. People engaged in the project should be interested in furthering development (this hasn't been the case) and trying out new features. With boxes less than $1/mo, the resources aren't problematic for testnet. As for development branches and issues running on mainnet vps', I see your concern but not one of my mainnet vps', in any of the historic testing I have done, has been detrimental to my mainnet node... also, creating a separate user to run would help contain things at the user-specific level. There's always the possibility of maxing out resources (ex. mem leaks) causing a crash/lockup, but I would hope most have their nodes setup to autoreboot and to autostart on crashes, so that leaves the debug.log from the experimental binaries intact for resolve. There isn't a "fair hourly rate"... it's testing. People engaged in the project should be interested in furthering development (this hasn't been the case) and trying out new features. With boxes less than $1/mo, the resources aren't problematic for testnet. As for development branches and issues running on mainnet vps', I see your concern but not one of my mainnet vps', in any of the historic testing I have done, has been detrimental to my mainnet node... also, creating a separate user to run would help contain things at the user-specific level. There's always the possibility of maxing out resources (ex. mem leaks) causing a crash/lockup, but I would hope most have their nodes setup to autoreboot and to autostart on crashes, so that leaves the debug.log from the experimental binaries intact for resolve.