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pnh102

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Mount Airy, MD pnh102 Premium Member REVENGE! Revenge is a dish best served cold.



(Old Klingon Proverb)

PhoenixDown

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Fresh Meadows, NY PhoenixDown Premium Member Re: REVENGE! said by pnh102: Revenge is a dish best served cold.



(Old Klingon Proverb)

and with a light lemony zest seasoning! Kearnstd

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Thing is even if they won, they would never get their 50mil. no court would ever make an individual pay a suit that big because nobody could they would just refuse and then file an EFF backed appeal most likely.

pleekmo

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served." Actually, the correct proverb is "Revenge is a dish best."

pnh102

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Mount Airy, MD 1 recommendation pnh102 Premium Member Re: REVENGE! said by pleekmo: Actually, the correct proverb is "Revenge is a dish best served." I'm not one to go arguing with Klingons.

dbirdman

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usa dbirdman MVM Re: REVENGE! said by pnh102: said by pleekmo: Actually, the correct proverb is "Revenge is a dish best served."

I'm not one to go arguing with Klingons. ...its earliest identified appearance in European literature is in the 1841 French novel Mathilde by Marie Joseph Eugène Sue: la vengeance se mange très-bien froide  there italicized as if quoting a proverbial saying  published in English translation in 1846 as revenge is very good eaten cold.



The popularly familiar wording can be attributed to The Godfather by Mario Puzo, a major bestseller in 1969, but the 1949 film Kind Hearts and Coronets had it as revenge is a dish which people of taste prefer to eat cold. The familiar wording more recently appears in the title sequence of the 2003 Quentin Tarantino film Kill Bill: Vol 1, first used as an "Old Klingon Proverb", referencing its use in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, which so cites it.

I guess that people of today know more about Klingons than they do about literature. From Wikipedia: rradina

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rradina Member We need legal reform... Doesn't some country require the loser to pay both parties legal expenses? No doubt such a rule has the potential to eliminate legitimate lawsuits because of risk. I also understand that as a corporation Paxfire has a duty to its owners to protect it's business but this counter suit isn't about justice. It's about silencing objections to tactics that should be illegal.



After reading the EFF's modifications, it seems Paxfire's primary objection is to claims that they store data on users and use it to "profile" them. They claim to only use the IP address to send users directly to an IP-context-appropriate site of their choosing rather than display the results from the search engine. The ISP and Paxfire derive revenue from the redirect. The loser is the search engine since they never see the traffic and they don't get the chance to show their advertisements and derive click-through revenue.



If net neutrality had any teeth, crap like this would be illegal. I wonder how McDonald's would feel if I walked into their store, stood in front of their POS and filtered their orders by selling my soda (a very high margin product) and passed the food items through to them. Because this is a virtual world, why do we think what Paxfire and ISPs are doing is different?



This technique should be illegal and I definitely agree with EFF that it should be an "opt in" not an "opt out". Paxfire claims that they are entitled to do this based on the ISP's fine print.



EFF recommends everyone use HTTPS to eliminate the technique and I couldn't agree more.



I've noticed that Charter uses DNS redirect when I mistype names. While I don't necessarily agree they should do it, ISPs that use Paxfire techniques to sniff for search engine queries and then redirect my browser to a site of their choosing in lieu of ever sending the request to the search site is a completely new level of invasive behavior.

jseymour

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Waterford, MI jseymour Member Internet Shunning The last time somebody tried something similar to this, Verisign, they received widespread shunning on the 'net. Basically their resources were identified and admins put rules in their servers to ignore anything coming from Verisign resources. Verisign eventually stopped their abuse.



Jim

rchandra

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rchandra Premium Member Re: Internet Shunning ...the @#%!$ing Site Finder fiasco, followed by updates to, among others, BIND.



I'm ordinarily not one to want more government, but it seems we may need some 'net neutrality laws...something along the lines of, if it isn't in the RFCs also deemed standards (STDs), anybody involved could be taken to court (Paxfire, the ISPs which bought their product, VeriSign, etc.). They're breaking DNS at the Internet engineering level.



Then again, if you want to go the "snowball's chance in the tropics" route, we could hope and pray for DNSSEC zone and record signing to be widely implemented. Ergo, it would be a lot more difficult (I would guess) to intercept these DNS queries and fake results. They'd need the zone and/or record signing key.



I just wish it were feasible to increase competition. That way, if ISP A decides to implement a Paxfire unit, I can go to ISPs B, C, D, E, or F (depending on which one gives me the "cleanest pipe"). But last km is a prickly pear indeed.

Camaro

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Westfield, MA Camaro Premium Member Wire tapping Title says it all,if someone put a tap on my phone line without proper authority they are going to jail plain and simple,what scares the hell out of me is there are no set regulation,laws, punishment for doing this, so they will continue lining there pockets. your comment..

