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August 24 [ edit ]

Please move File:Peraturan_Presiden_Nomor_52_Tahun_2010.pdf into File:Peraturan_Presiden_Republik_Indonesia_Nomor_52_Tahun_2010.pdf. It's just a little bit mistake. Mnafisalmukhdi1 (talk) 06:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Done. --ghouston ( talk ) 07:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

September 20 [ edit ]

Extracting old image from a website [ edit ]

Can anyone work out how to download this image (at the foot of the page; also others from the same book) to add to Commons, please? It is from 1876, so safely out of copyright. Right-click to save is disabled. Thanks! - MPF (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

It looks like they use composite images created on the fly from tiles, so unless you can somehow get access to the tiles I think the only hope is a screen grab using PrtSc, or some programmed equivalent of that in a screenscraper. - Jmabel ! talk 16:32, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

September 22 [ edit ]

Cat names: "playing" or "playing the"? [ edit ]

We have these two:

These should be merged, but into which one? And what about other analogous cats with and without "the"? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Don't forget to turn the unused one into a redirect for the populated one. That way a bot will move images if they are placed in the wrong category. --RAN ( talk ) 02:12, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

September 23 [ edit ]

Occupations and from [ edit ]

I noticed the Category:Nurses by country had subcategories named "Nurses from X" (except Belize). Why? The Category:Nurses of Belize makes much more sense. Normally you would like an image of a nurse working in the country in question, regardless of nationality or immigration history – and when taking such photos you usually do not ask about those latter (so they are known for few photos).

For some occupations the "from" might make sense, i.e. where people work globally but are from a specific country – is the "from" because of such standardisation? If so, I think there was a mistake of thought, as the standardisation of names should not confuse different content in the categories. While "from" categories make sense for some occupations, "in" categories make more sense for other ones, and for some you might want both, such as for a Finnish violinist playing in a Canadian orchestra.

–LPfi (talk) 11:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

It's all pretty complicated, I once noticed that my country of birth, country on my passport, country of residence, and country of current location were all different. Commons categories can't really capture these kinds of details. I never really know what "from" or "of" are supposed to mean, or if there's any difference between them. I suppose "Nurses in Belize" would refer to current location. --ghouston ( talk ) 13:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC) Categories like Category:Nurses by country are generally "Nurses from X", while "Category:People by country is "People of X". I suppose no real difference can be recognized. --ghouston ( talk ) 13:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Generally all those categories have a mix of "from" and "in" and "of" and we try to harmonize on one, but it is a lot of work. When a new category is created, "Occupation from/of/in X", it is almost random which one the editor chooses, and we start all over again. --RAN ( talk ) 01:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Does this mean that the category should contains nurses from as well as in and of the country? I'd prefer that to be stated explicitly in a category description – preferably in all those categories but at least in a root category at suitable level. –LPfi ( talk ) 09:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Some developed countries seem to import a large fraction of their nurses from poorer countries. I suppose they can apply for citizenship eventually, depending on the country. The problem with citizenship is that the information isn't always publicly available, and guessing is a common practice. --ghouston ( talk ) 22:10, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

'Nurses of' seems preferable, as the location is usually more significant and easier to determine than current or original nationality. 'Of' is preferable to 'in' as it allows for nurses working in military units or in disaster relief to be categorised under the nationality of their organisation, irrespective of the location. Verbcatcher ( talk ) 22:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

September 24 [ edit ]

--So9q (talk) 18:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@So9q: At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo you can uncheck the boxes next to "Suggested tags for review" --William Graham ( talk ) 20:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Sorry I was unclear. I mean the annoying confirmation JS-popup when trying to use the tool.--So9q ( talk ) 20:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Hello @So9q:. Thanks for clarifying that you were referring to the confirmation window that appears after you have selected tags. When we were first designing this feature, we got feedback that people wanted that additional step to be sure of their selections. Since then, we've had some other users like yourself say they don't like/need it. There's currently not a way to turn it off, but we're considering ways to make the experience better for everyone. RIsler (WMF) ( talk ) 21:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Ok, thanks for explaining. A checkbox on the popup to tick "hide this in the future") would really help.--So9q ( talk ) 22:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The New Library of Congress image search of historic newspapers [ edit ]

https://news-navigator.labs.loc.gov/search Similar to what was done at the Internet Archive, all images from historic newspapers were cropped out and the adjacent text grabbed for searching. --RAN (talk) 21:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wishing the bot would come back to check my work [ edit ]

Six-fingered glove and prop sword from The Princess Bride

@HouseOfChange: If you delete the template the bot leaves after review and add {{Flickrreview}} , the bot will run again. William Graham ( talk ) 02:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

September 25 [ edit ]

From than [ edit ]

I formatted something wrong and now User:FlickreviewR 2 has gone away without OKing the cropped derivative image I uploaded. I think I fixed the problem with the Flickr link, but I do not know how to get the Flickr robot to return. The original Flickr image was uploaded years ago, with its cc-by-sa-2.0 permissions okayed, as File:Fantasy_Worlds_of_Myth_and_Magic,_EMP,_Seattle_-_The_Princess_Bride_(10562104496).jpg. How can I get the bot to come back and look at the Flickr permissions again? Thanks! HouseOfChange talk ) 00:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

1. Are boys different THAN girls or different FROM girls?

2. Is there a grammar questions page so I won't have to bother the grownups? Verdana Bold (talk) 03:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Commons isn't a grammar help site, but you could try [1]. --ghouston ( talk ) 05:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC) They are all children, no need for binary stereotypes. --Fæ ( talk ) 07:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Good point!--So9q ( talk ) 21:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Currents [ edit ]

There is a Category:Flowing water , but it does not represent major currents in the sea or rivers. Sometimes sea/tidal currents a very visible as turbulence or wave patterns. Is there a category for this? Smiley.toerist talk ) 09:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Other examples: File:Vlissingen aan het water 2020 8.jpg, File:Vlissingen aan het water 2020 11.jpg

@Smiley.toerist: we do have Category:Ocean currents, but afaict there's nothing equivalent for rivers. --El Grafo ( talk ) 14:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

September 26 [ edit ]

Global ban RFC for Nrcprm2026/James Salsman [ edit ]

Nrcprm2026, better known as James Salsman, has an active discussion regarding a possible global ban.--GZWDer (talk) 07:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Peculiar bug on "User contributions" page [ edit ]

When I click onto the "Edit count" link at the bottom of my user contributions page on Commons (i. e. on Special:Contributions/Robert_Flogaus-Faust), I get redirected to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec. The problem might be that the invalid link is to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/commons.wikimedia/Robert+Flogaus-Faust instead to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/commons.wikimedia/Robert_Flogaus-Faust or https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/commons.wikimedia/Robert%20Flogaus-Faust, both of which seem work nicely. I am not sure whether the problem is due to my browser (Firefox) or whether this is a general bug that occurs when user names contain a blank. With best regards --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I have the same problem on Commons. The equivalent links on enwiki and wikidata work fine for me though, so it is something wrong with the implementation on Commons. From Hill To Shore ( talk ) 20:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC) For comparison, my Commons link points to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/commons.wikimedia/From+Hill+To+Shore but my wikidata link points to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/www.wikidata.org/From_Hill_To_Shore and my enwiki link points to https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/From%20Hill%20To%20Shore All three sites have a different method of representing spaces (+ _ and %20). From Hill To Shore ( talk ) 20:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

September 27 [ edit ]

Change license on logo [ edit ]

File:Allen Matkins Logo.png looks like it should be {{PD-textlogo}}. Currently it's marked as CC-BY-SA 3.0, but without other evidence that the original author wanted to give it that license, making me think the CC license was added in confusion. Could the current license template be removed and replaced, or is that bad practice? Thanks! Goldenshimmer (talk) 04:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging @Adamess as uploader. — Jeff G. please ping or talk to me 13:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC) It is an interesting thing, when a potentially public domain file is distributed under a free licence. Normally I leave the licence be. The point is that in some countries there are laws like "sweat of the brow", which protect the work based on the difficulty that the person went through when creating it and not based on creativity of the outcome. Let's say that in order to make Allen Matkins logo somebody has sat there and edited the image pixel by pixel, that might qualify the work for copyright protection in those jurisdictions. We currently do not have "fall back" system in place, which would allow to say something like "This work is in public domain, but if that fails it is also released under a free licence". However, in this particular case it is even more difficult, since in order to accept CC-BY-SA 3.0 we need evidence that the original author really did mean to place it under that licence. And in this case I would remove the said licence, and replace the licence template with {{PD-textlogo}}, since that is actually a safer option. ℺ Gone Postal ( 〠 ✉ • ✍ ⏿) 11:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Import new 1 mil. photographs from British Library [ edit ]

Has anyone started importing this treasure? See [2] --So9q (talk) 05:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Fæ:--So9q ( talk ) 22:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

September 28 [ edit ]

Preserved in a museum [ edit ]

Good morning, dear all. I have a question whether I can upload an image of a book cover that is preserved in a museum (means uploading an image of a preserved book; however it was first published in 1967). The book is historically valuable as it first described a copper-plate inscription (inscripted between 905-935 CE). And thus a copy of it's "first edition" is kept in the museum along with the copper-plate. — Meghmollar2017 (talk) 03:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

A book copyrighted in 1967 undergoes no change to its copyright status because a museum preserves a copy. - Jmabel ! talk 15:58, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I see! Thanks a lot. :D Meghmollar2017 ( talk ) 14:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC) The cover of a book may not be eligible for a copyright if it is just text. --RAN ( talk ) 03:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC) @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I have uploaded the file on local wiki. Should it be moved to Commons? —Meghmollar2017 ( talk ) 16:13, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't see it eligible for copyright, the right side is text, the left is a rubbing of a copper plate from the 900s. I do not see the rubbing as eligible for a new copyright. I do not see it as a derivative work of art that would reset the copyright clock to 1967. --RAN ( talk ) 17:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Identification of individuals [ edit ]

Looking at images of people at Bagram air base, Afghanistan, many people are identified by name. Seems a dubious practice to me. Should we preserve anonymity of individuals, especially people who are potentially unpopular, like American soldiers? Any guidelines? Sardaka (talk) 08:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

There are no guidelines that directly address this. Instead courtesy removals of information have been done when requested. It is likely that most veterans are comfortable with photographs of them in service being a matter of public record, and in the sense of COM:IDENT, the photographs are often published by the military as public domain and at the time of publication there was no expectation of privacy. Photographs which may (even retrospectively) demean identifiable people, may be anonymized or removed, depending on context. A deletion request should be avoided if by creating it, unnecessary attention is drawn to the information or nature of photograph. Alternative processes like email correspondence with trusted administrators, the Oversight email list, or confidential emails to OTRS, might be more suitable to assess what action is appropriate. Files which are in use on other projects are unlikely to be removed, even at the request of the subjects, unless the case is exceptional. My experience of these actions is as an uploader of hundreds of thousands of DOD public domain photographs, a very small number of which were both later withdrawn by the DOD and had requested courtesy removals or anonymizing actions on Commons. We could refine IDENT, but it probably would not improve the current process. Addendum With regard to Afghanistan specifically, refer to Commons:Country_specific_consent_requirements#Afghanistan. Depending on the context, photographs might be challenged on that country's more complex consent requirement, however this would not apply if the photographer was "authorized by the public authorities", as would be the case for DOD publication. --Fæ ( talk ) 10:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

September 29 [ edit ]

Wiki of functions naming contest [ edit ]

September 30 [ edit ]

Rivers in Madagascar [ edit ]

20:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I created Category:Tsaranoro reserve. This is a high valley just to the east of the Andringitra National Park. It is called the Tsaranoro valley. I suppose the river is called the 'Tsaranoro' river. But I cannot get any comfirmation on the maps for this or any source mentioning the local river name. The river flows into the Zomandao river a tributairy of the Mangoky river.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Tourist website: Tsara Camp lies in the Tsaranoro Valley with the Tsaranoro Mountain (800m) on one side and the giant mountain chains of Andringitra National Park on the other side.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:19, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

PS: The File:Mangoki drainage.png is confusing as the long tributary going south is the Ihosy river (a tributary of the Zomandao river) and not the Zomandao river itself.Smiley.toerist (talk) 12:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser [ edit ]

A quick review of the archives (Commons talk:AutoWikiBrowser), does not provide a discussion showing that needing authorization to use AWB was a matter of formal consensus. This seems to have been established back in the early days, so the decision was probably down to a couple of power users thinking it was sensible. Considering the speeds possible with VFC and cat-a-lot, it's not clear why non-bot operators need authorization just for this, and whether it's worth discussing a new consensus about it. Could someone explain the history? Thanks --Fæ (talk) 13:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser is a general purpose high speed editing tool, which can be used to make different types of changes, whereas VFC and cat-a-lot have more limited functions. Ruslik0 ( talk ) 09:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Live COVID-19 trend charts for UK data [ edit ]

Example live trends for Tyne and Wear region in lockdown.

Because it was difficult to see the latest COVID case data locally, some code to query the live UK Government data (data.gov.uk) and put the 7-day cumulative trend in charts has been put together. Some selected charts at Category:COVID-19 testing in the United Kingdom.

Interestingly, doing this has highlighted that other sources like the excellent NYTimes maps, lag the data releases at data.gov.uk by over 12 hours. Consequently, these trend charts are significantly ahead of most national publications. It also turns out that numbers being used by some of the press are relying on ONS population stats from the 2011 census, rather than using the most recent 2019 estimated populations of UK regions, which is what UK Gov (and hence SAGE) uses in their figures to determine political decisions like COVID lockdowns. This is not significant in terms of trend, but does matter when comparing an area at "90 cases / 100,000" against "120 cases / 100,000" in the light that the Government appears to be judging anywhere over 100 cases per 100,000 in the last 7 days may need emergency measures.

It's relatively straight forward to add more regions to the script, it's a question of looking up the population estimates for each one, then revising the script. Once set up, it can refresh daily as long as it's of interest, without any more volunteer time invested. Ping me if these would be valuable, such as adding some more England regions officially entering lockdown. --Fæ (talk) 13:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Quality Images moderator? [ edit ]

I have a question/issue on Quality Images, is there a moderator? If not who do I talk to? Jim Evans (talk) 13:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jim Evans: Not as such. Have you brought your question to Commons talk:Quality images? At the very least, they should be able to direct you to the right place. - Jmabel ! talk 16:41, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't know such a place existed. Jim Evans ( talk ) 18:27, 30 September 2020 (UTC) I don't know about resolved. I have not received a response to my inquiry at Commons talk:Quality images Jim Evans ( talk ) 02:00, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Movement Strategy - What Are Your Choices For Implementation [ edit ]

A repost from the talk page and apologies if this note has already reached you from other channels.

We are inviting everyone to participate in prioritization discussions and wanted to make sure the message reached the Commons community as well.

The Movement Strategy Design Group and Support Team are inviting you to organize virtual meetings with the Commons community before the end of October. The aim is for you to decide what ideas from the Movement Strategy recommendations respond to your needs and will have an impact in the movement. The recommendations are available in different formats and in many languages. There are 10 recommendations and close to 50 recommended changes and actions or initiatives. Not everything will be implemented. The aim of prioritization is to create an 18-month implementation plan to take some of the initiatives forward starting in 2021.

Prioritization is at the level of your community. Afterwards, we will come together in November to co-create the implementation plan. More information about November’s global events will be shared soon. For now and until the end of October, organize locally and share your priorities with us.

You can find guidance for the events, the simple reporting template, and other supporting materials here on Meta. You can share your results directly on Meta, by email, or by filling out this survey. Please don’t hesitate to get in touch with us if you have any questions or comments, strategy2030 wikimedia.org

We would love to hear from you and will be hosting office hours to answer any questions you might have, Thursday October 1 at 14.00 UTC (Google Meet).

MPourzaki (WMF) (talk) 16:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

October 01 [ edit ]

The original site appears to be able to be zoomed in a LOT more, but doesn't use zoomify or any of the standard ones that can be easily undone. Anyone have a ready way to go to https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co228471/skegness-is-so-bracing-poster zoom in all the way, and grab it? I'll quite happily restore it if someone can do it; I really don't think my laptop is a suitable tool for the purpose, though. Just, please don't change anything (like the colours) besides assembling it; I have some tricks that work well for that purpose. Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

mirrored images [ edit ]

Paris, Rue Lepic

This image is mirrored; just see the licence plate, and the shops on the other side of the road. How can we fix this? Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)