

winsyrstrife

River City Bounce

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join:2002-04-30

Brooklyn, NY winsyrstrife Premium Member Hopefully a lesson learned While T-Mobile deserves credit for effectively shaking up the wireless industry as of late, they also are not free from any wrongdoing. Curious, do other companies also have this level of transparency regarding their caps?



As an aside, I couldn't figure out what to do with 2GB on my phone, now it's 5GB...

bigballer

join:2014-09-25 bigballer Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned Didn't tmobile publically admit they whitelisted speedtest, rootmetrics, and sensorly to be more "accurate?"



And isn't it in the TOS that they throttle you back down to "2G speeds" which yes, is a bit vague on defining the speeds.



64 or 128 kbps is a huge difference. One can stream do basic GPS, email, web browsing, the other can't.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned I'd say even 64 is enough for email and maybe google maps if you don't mind wating.



whfsdude

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join:2003-04-05

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said by winsyrstrife: While T-Mobile deserves credit for effectively shaking up the wireless industry as of late, they also are not free from any wrongdoing.



Unlimited is not throttled. Source: I do between 100G/200G a month on my cell. I don't see what the big deal is with T-Mobile's throttling. The throttling was only happening on the company's capped plans when you exceeded your cap. T-Mobile always sends you a text message letting you know you were throttled and you could add more data, or upgrade to unlimited.Unlimited is not throttled. Source: I do between 100G/200G a month on my cell.



fonzbear2000

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Saint Paul, MN fonzbear2000 Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned said by whfsdude: said by winsyrstrife: While T-Mobile deserves credit for effectively shaking up the wireless industry as of late, they also are not free from any wrongdoing.



Unlimited is not throttled. Source: I do between 100G/200G a month on my cell. I don't see what the big deal is with T-Mobile's throttling. The throttling was only happening on the company's capped plans when you exceeded your cap. T-Mobile always sends you a text message letting you know you were throttled and you could add more data, or upgrade to unlimited.Unlimited is not throttled. Source: I do between 100G/200G a month on my cell. The problem isn't the throttling itself. The problem is that T-Mobile was blocking speed tests once a user got throttled. That's what the article is about and that's what Winsyrstrife considers to be wrongdoing.



loli

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join:2002-08-26

South Richmond Hill, NY loli Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned said by winsyrstrife: The problem isn't the throttling itself. The problem is that T-Mobile was blocking speed tests once a user got throttled. That's what the article is about and that's what Winsyrstrife considers to be wrongdoing. I don't quite get this. From what I can tell, T-Mobile was NOT blocking speed tests. It's just speed tests couldn't give you your exact connection speed because the tests weren't throttled. People couldn't tell exactly if they we're running at 64/128 kbps.

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA to whfsdude

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WHAT?!?!? 200GB?!? On a cell phone????



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned easy when you tether.



whfsdude

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Washington, DC whfsdude Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned said by dvd536: easy when you tether. No tethering. Youtube, xfinitytv (~hour of TV on my commute a day), TIDAL (lossless audio streaming).

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned said by whfsdude: No tethering. Youtube, xfinitytv (~hour of TV on my commute a day), TIDAL (lossless audio streaming). Holy crap. How does that add up to that much?



AnonDude

@97.95.152.x AnonDude to dvd536

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said by dvd536: easy when you tether. Sure but you should be using REAL internet. Considering T-Mobile only serves the metro area that shouldn't be an issue.

BiggA

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You can only tether 5GB on the Unlimited Smartphone data plan on T-Mobile, IIRC.

floydb1982

join:2004-08-25

Kent, WA floydb1982 to whfsdude

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You could easily hit 100 or 200 gigabytes on hardwired broadband connection. There is no way you could possible eat that much mobile data in an entire month. Your are a complete lier.

mikeluscher159

join:2011-09-04 mikeluscher159 Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned No he's not. If he's in a WideBand area, and downloading stuff nonstop, doing all his Netflix and work through it, 500GB is commonly reached.

applerule

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When I had US Cellular I routinely did over 100GB/mo. I did a lot of tethering and it was my only internet connection, but it is very easily doable. I could have eat a lot more data than that if I tried harder...



whfsdude

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said by floydb1982: You could easily hit 100 or 200 gigabytes on hardwired broadband connection. There is no way you could possible eat that much mobile data in an entire month. Your are a complete lier.



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I'm in a 10x10 LTE market but the cell density is high so between 30-40mbit/s.



As for bandwidth usage on my wired connection.

RX bytes:11876593332637 (10.8 TiB) TX bytes:2212777825613 (2.0 TiB) I'm almost at 100GB and my billing cycle doesn't even end until Dec 5th.I'm in a 10x10 LTE market but the cell density is high so between 30-40mbit/s.As for bandwidth usage on my wired connection.RX bytes:11876593332637 (10.8 TiB) TX bytes:2212777825613 (2.0 TiB)



cybah

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said by whfsdude: Unlimited is not throttled. Source: I do between 100G/200G a month on my cell.



. o O (and I wonder why Tmo data is so g-d slow sometimes... idiots like yourself are hogging up all the avaliable bandwidth) O o . . And you're the reason why caps exist in the first place. 100G is a lot of data for a cell phone.. o O (and I wonder why Tmo data is so g-d slow sometimes... idiots like yourself are hogging up all the avaliable bandwidth) O o . .

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: Hopefully a lesson learned Yeah, pretty much. If there is more than a tiny minority of data porkers like that on a network, it will cause the network to fall apart. Mobile data just isn't designed for insane loads like that.



amarryat

Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02

Marshfield, MA amarryat Member This was done for stupid people I thought their methods were quite clear.



CodeeCB

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Minneapolis, MN CodeeCB Premium Member Re: This was done for stupid people I also thought it was quite clear already. Some people need their hand held tho and to be spoon fed.



buddahbless

join:2005-03-21

Premium buddahbless Member Re: This was done for stupid people Agreed it has always been clearly laid out in plain site "reduced to 2G speeds"



However that part about the speed test I do agree with there should be no exemption for speed test show me what Im actually getting period.



amarryat

Verizon FiOS

join:2005-05-02

Marshfield, MA amarryat Member Re: This was done for stupid people said by buddahbless: Agreed it has always been clearly laid out in plain site "reduced to 2G speeds"



However that part about the speed test I do agree with there should be no exemption for speed test show me what Im actually getting period.



I understand your point though. Now that they've agreed to put another button on your phone (which I will immediately remove) so that you can get your actual speed, this "problem" should go away. That's how it originally worked, and T-Mobile changed it so that it would accurately reflect the quality of their network, ie. throttled user data wouldn't skew the results downward. When that change was made, it wasn't done secretly as I remember reading about it.I understand your point though. Now that they've agreed to put another button on your phone (which I will immediately remove) so that you can get your actual speed, this "problem" should go away.

Needleinthha

join:2009-11-30

Chandler, AZ Needleinthha Member 64 or 128? I just signed up for tmobile a few months ago and havent used enough data to be throttled yet...curious, are some accounts throttled to 64kbps and some 128kbps? Or are they just using those as ballpark examples? Does anyone know what kind of actual speeds i should expect once i got my monthly LTE allowance?



buddahbless

join:2005-03-21

Premium buddahbless Member Re: 64 or 128? In the areas I live I've always been throttled around 119-128kbps and I've jumped back and forth on different Tmobile plans ( and even there MVNO) for almost the last 4-5 years. I believe its really dependent on your location.



On the TMO forum its been whispered around that after the LTE deployment is done (mid 2015) that the throttles will be raised. New reduced speed tiers: prepaid may see 128 kbps, simple choice and family plans may see 256 kbps, and business plans may see 512 kbps. However this is all still speculations.

Needleinthha

join:2009-11-30

Chandler, AZ Needleinthha Member Re: 64 or 128? Really interesting. Thanks for the info. That would be nice if it was raised to 256k, would be even usable.

AmericanMan

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join:2013-12-28

united state AmericanMan Premium Member What about other carriers? Will other carriers, such as Sprint, be bound by the same rules? Also, what about the MVNOs, such as Virgin Mobile and Boost Mobile, many of those have "Unlimited with an asterisk", it'd be nice to know what their throttling goes to.



Anonguy

@68.106.20.x Anonguy Anon Yay.... More Bloatware.... I don't another carrier imposed button on my phone for their speedtest.



Yes I know I can disable/remove it but it shouldn't be there in the first place...



All for the people that can't understand their cap. Lame



toby

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join:2001-11-13

Seattle, WA toby Member Re: Yay.... More Bloatware.... said by Anonguy : All for the people that can't understand their cap. Lame



All the people that can't rebuild their car's fuel injection system. Lame. Everyone understands different things.All the people that can't rebuild their car's fuel injection system. Lame.



Anonguy

@68.106.20.x Anonguy Anon Re: Yay.... More Bloatware.... Ya, That is a great comparison.......



They may not be able to rebuild their fuel injection but they understand the Speed Limit and the consequences for going over it...



Kasoah

join:2013-08-20

Merced, CA Kasoah Member yeah,... and i thought at&t's throttle to .5 mb/s was bad



buddahbless

join:2005-03-21

Premium buddahbless Member Re: yeah,... TMO might shake it up next year, see my post above.



iNick

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said by Kasoah: and i thought at&t's throttle to .5 mb/s was bad " Is this still unlimited sure but depends on how you look at it because most people with the 500Mb/s or 2Gb Plan probably isn't using a lot to begin with. Well that after 5GB lol. People that have the option for Unlimited Data on T-Mobile and don't want it because they don't need it? Then I see no point on this really because If they wanted unlimited then they would upgrade to it. T-Mobile just saying "Hey There! We're not AT&T or Verizon, Sprint We don't charge you for going over your 2GB of data you brought" Is this still unlimited sure but depends on how you look at it because most people with the 500Mb/s or 2Gb Plan probably isn't using a lot to begin with.



whfsdude

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said by Kasoah: and i thought at&t's throttle to .5 mb/s was bad The difference is AT&T throttles on their unlimited plans. T-Mobile only throttles on their capped plans (once you exceed your cap, no overages).



LightSpan

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join:2004-02-18

Lexington, KY LightSpan Premium Member network not up to par in certain areas They only throttle in certain areas where they don't have fiber to the tower . The rest of the site's are t1's(ds1) fed site's in remote areas that cost them to have fiber run to.

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02

San Jose, CA ConstantineM Member Data speed FAQs



»support.t-mobile.com/doc ··· DOC-2741 quote: > If you have a plan that was available between November 13, 2010 and March 24, 2013, data speed is reduced to (at most) 50 kbps (comparable to dial-up) when data usage exceeds the Data Speed Reduction Threshold for data features. Mobile Internet and data-only plan customers that reach this threshold have their speed reduced to 100 kbps.



> If you have a plan that was available after March 24, 2013, data speed is reduced to (at most) 128 kbps when data usage exceeds the Data Speed Reduction Threshold for data features, Mobile Internet, and data-only plans.



Great they are finally brought back to face their limits; it was very annoying to be throttled to 50kbps on an older plan -- the connection was basically unusable when throttled at 50kbps, partially thanks to all the websites now carrying megabytes of useless graphics on just about any page.



They should probably increase the throttling speed to 256kbps nowadays, especially when on LTE -- that'll also give the users an incentive to upgrade. Karl, the limits they throttle you at are not 64kbps and 128kbps. It's actually 50kbps for older phone plans and 100kbps for older tablets, and 128kbps for newer phones and tablets.Great they are finally brought back to face their limits; it was very annoying to be throttled to 50kbps on an older plan -- the connection was basically unusable when throttled at 50kbps, partially thanks to all the websites now carrying megabytes of useless graphics on just about any page.They should probably increase the throttling speed to 256kbps nowadays, especially when on LTE -- that'll also give the users an incentive to upgrade.