PENCE: The one thing about Donald Trump is he doesn't go tiptoeing around the rules — the semantic rules of political correctness. He just speaks his mind. But I can promise you, Brandon, everybody in this country knows exactly what Donald Trump means, whether it be on that or other issues. He's a plain-spoken man. He's a successful business leader. And on this issue, the point is clear: That Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton's policy in the wider Middle East has been a disaster. …

RITTIMAN: So back to my original question: Would you call President Obama the founder of ISIS. Were those words you would adopt?

PENCE: There is no question that President Barack Obama's policies in the wider Middle East —

RITTIMAN: No, I heard you say that. I'm asking would you use those words.

PENCE: -- created the vacuum [unclear] ISIS was created, Brandon.