The latest guest on our interview series Good Convo is El-P, whose I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead was Vinyl Me, Please’s Rap & Hip-Hop Record of the Month in February.

This episode features El-P: one half of Run the Jewels, founder of Def Jux, relentless artist settling into his next act. He’s the most popular he’s ever been, and the most thoughtful. But as the sunset approached Wilshire, another darkness enveloped our surroundings: the death of the young. The air of that day permeated all of our discussion: surveillance, collective grieving, and losing oneself in process to find oneself again. In other news: new information on RTJ4, completed days before the recording.

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