It sounds almost like an out-of-body experience? “Seriously, you would just have to experience it to know what I mean,” he says. “Sometimes you are not conscious of it all and sometimes you just don’t even know what has happened. There are only certain times when I have realised and you can enjoy it and you can be there. Maybe it’s on your mind, thinking, ‘yeah, that was a decent feeling’ but afterwards you are straight back to work and you are just focused on trying to help your team win.”