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LegendaryActivity: 1302Merit: 1002Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell March 25, 2017, 04:48:38 PM

Last edit: March 25, 2017, 04:58:48 PM by jonald_fyookball #4 Quote from: DGulari on March 25, 2017, 04:10:24 PM You guys ruined it all. Bitcoin is now fucked and getting more fucked everyday. I think the end in near.



I can appreciate your sentiment... First of all, what we need right now as a community is unity.



Greg Maxwell is the author of the core scaling roadmap and also the

Blockstream CTO, and he is at the heart of this debate.



Greg has openly called for full blocks and a fee market (which we have

right now).



But there is a growing number of users and miners that do not

think his roadmap is a good one.



This is why 40% hashpower is signaling for Bitcoin Unlimited (despite the inferior code and team).

We have to scale, we have to scale soon, and this is becoming more apparent with every passing day.



Bitcoin's value comes at least in part from its utility for fast reliable transactions and low fees -- a utility

that is being undermined by the blocksize.



Because of this undermining, altcoins are now being used for

actual money transfer and this is contributing to the BTC cryptocap share being at an all time low.



The extreme small blockers that want Bitcoin to be a digital gold

without great utility make even less sense than Blockstream.

There will be no great value to Bitcoin without widespread use.

(Nor will there likely be a security model that is even viable for

that scenario)



Many of the supporters of core's roadmap seem to be most concerned with

centralization via node cost increases. They need to understand that

those cost increases are inevitable -- the best we can do is mitigate

them but even LN will require much bigger blocks... and by crippling

on chain scaling now, we are seriously eroding the Bitcoin first mover

advantage, adoption and network effect. For example, Fiverr

no longer accepts Bitcoin. How sad.



These core supporters also should understand that the more we try

to have small blocks and a small main chain, the more we'll have to

rely on third parties, which is just as dangerous a form of centralization

(if not more dangerous) than expensive-to-run nodes.



If you want Bitcoin to be BIG, there are going to have to be a lot

bigger blocks and a lot bigger nodes, even with Segwit, even with LN.



Blockstream wants to build a 2nd layer? That's fine, that's great.



BUT...



Please...



Let them do it fairly and with free market dynamics, not unfair advantage of influence over

the core repo and intentionally stunting growth on the first layer, which is exactly what they've been doing.









I can appreciate your sentiment... First of all, what we need right now as a community is unity.Greg Maxwell is the author of the core scaling roadmap and also theBlockstream CTO, and he is at the heart of this debate.Greg has openly called for full blocks and a fee market (which we haveright now).But there is a growing number of users and miners that do notthink his roadmap is a good one.This is why 40% hashpower is signaling for Bitcoin Unlimited (despite the inferior code and team).We have to scale, we have to scale soon, and this is becoming more apparent with every passing day.Bitcoin's value comes at least in part from its utility for fast reliable transactions and low fees -- a utilitythat is being undermined by the blocksize.Because of this undermining, altcoins are now being used foractual money transfer and this is contributing to the BTC cryptocap share being at an all time low.The extreme small blockers that want Bitcoin to be a digital goldwithout great utility make even less sense than Blockstream.There will be no great value to Bitcoin without widespread use.(Nor will there likely be a security model that is even viable forthat scenario)Many of the supporters of core's roadmap seem to be most concerned withcentralization via node cost increases. They need to understand thatthose cost increases are inevitable -- the best we can do is mitigatethem but even LN will require much bigger blocks... and by cripplingon chain scaling now, we are seriously eroding the Bitcoin first moveradvantage, adoption and network effect. For example, Fiverrno longer accepts Bitcoin. How sad.These core supporters also should understand that the more we tryto have small blocks and a small main chain, the more we'll have torely on third parties, which is just as dangerous a form of centralization(if not more dangerous) than expensive-to-run nodes.If you want Bitcoin to be BIG, there are going to have to be a lotbigger blocks and a lot bigger nodes, even with Segwit, even with LN.Blockstream wants to build a 2nd layer? That's fine, that's great.BUT...Please...Let them do it fairly and with free market dynamics, not unfair advantage of influence overthe core repo and intentionally stunting growth on the first layer, which is exactly what they've been doing. proof LN isn't Decentralized official Electron Cash wallet

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LegendaryActivity: 2660Merit: 2643Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell March 25, 2017, 06:04:04 PM

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Let me show you a nice picture:







Don't give me that "correlation != causation" crap, as the BTU folk has been often associating a price rise with an increase of BTU signalling (prior to this). OP is an uneducated baboon, similar to jonald_fyookball. These people have become so desperate that they've started spamming the board with threads and complaints.Let me show you a nice picture:Don't give me that "correlation != causation" crap, as the BTU folk has been often associating a price rise with an increase of BTU signalling (prior to this).

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StaffLegendaryActivity: 3178Merit: 4298 Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell March 25, 2017, 09:37:23 PM #11 Would you please stop obsessing over me? It's creepy.



I am not your mommy.



You do not get to determine how I spend my time, you do not get to restrict what I say or believe. I don't force anyone to do anything. You will you make me cow down and obey you through threatening me by lying to the public to try to raise a mob of idiots against me, and even if you do manage to get me killed you will not stop bitcoin, you will not convert it to the centralized coin you seem to so desperately want.



So give it a break.







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Last edit: March 25, 2017, 10:05:44 PM by franky1 #12 Quote from: gmaxwell on March 25, 2017, 09:37:23 PM Would you please obsessing over me? It's creepy.



I am not your mommy.



You do not get to determine how I spend my time, you do not get to restrict what I say or believe. I don't force anyone to do anything. You will you make me cow down and obey you through threatening me by lying to the public to try to raise a mob of idiots against me, and even if you do manage to kill me you will not stop bitcoin, you will not convert it to the centralized coin you seem to so desperately want.



So give it a break.



you are the centralist!!



how about just add a few lines of code to be dynamic with segwit.

get your own desires of being god/mommy removed.. and bring yourself down to being on a level of PEER. not the TIER network you want



P.s dont reply commenting about your own mommy complex..

only reply about:



GMAXWLL: if core want to resolve things.. there are 2 options



1. PROVE how backward compatible things are by getting their partner BTCC to make a segwit block with a segwit confirmed tx in it.. worse case rejected in 3 seconds.. best case nothing bad. and it instills confidence.

2. make it dynamic segwit. that way when people realise segwit activation day solved nothing(due to needing users needing to do other things beyond segwit activation).. atleast people are then able to move on with dynamics rather than waiting another 2 years for core to make more excuses

you are the centralist!!how about just add a few lines of code to be dynamic with segwit.get your own desires of being god/mommy removed.. and bring yourself down to being on a level of PEER. not the TIER network you wantP.s dont reply commenting about your own mommy complex..only reply about: I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.

Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at

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Last edit: March 26, 2017, 01:09:23 AM by jonald_fyookball #18 Quote from: gmaxwell on March 25, 2017, 09:37:23 PM Would you please stop obsessing over me? It's creepy.



I am not your mommy.



You do not get to determine how I spend my time, you do not get to restrict what I say or believe. I don't force anyone to do anything. You will you make me cow down and obey you through threatening me by lying to the public to try to raise a mob of idiots against me, and even if you do manage to get me killed you will not stop bitcoin, you will not convert it to the centralized coin you seem to so desperately want.



So give it a break.











Hello Greg,



I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post and I am sorry if you feel stressed out or 'obsessed over'.



As I stated earlier in the thread, YOU are the author of the core roadmap. You've chosen to be the guy the at center of the storm, so respectfully: please do not blame me or play victim. I have never threatened you or lied about you (or anyone else for that matter), nor do I intend to. It is unfair to insinuate that I would. "Get you killed" -- what kind of silliness is that?



I agree: you do not force anyone to do anything. But let's be fully honest here and acknowledge you hold a great degree (if not a collosal degree) of influence over Bitcoin and particularly the scaling debate.



You have your roadmap and I don't expect you'll want to discuss the issues here with me.



I mean you no ill will personally, in fact I greatly respect and admire your technical abilities and many of your contributions to Bitcoin, but I too care about Bitcoin...and I have just as much right to express my opinions as anyone else.



I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I'll only ask you consider being a little more flexible and open to more on chain scaling sooner rather than later to ensure that Bitcoin maintains its position as the #1 cryptocurrency. I do not believe it will be good to wait another 6 months for segwit to (maybe) get miner approval.



regards, Jonald





Hello Greg,I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post and I am sorry if you feel stressed out or 'obsessed over'.As I stated earlier in the thread, YOU are the author of the core roadmap. You've chosen to be the guy the at center of the storm, so respectfully: please do not blame me or play victim. I have never threatened you or lied about you (or anyone else for that matter), nor do I intend to. It is unfair to insinuate that I would. "Get you killed" -- what kind of silliness is that?I agree: you do not force anyone to do anything. But let's be fully honest here and acknowledge you hold a great degree (if not a collosal degree) of influence over Bitcoin and particularly the scaling debate.You have your roadmap and I don't expect you'll want to discuss the issues here with me.I mean you no ill will personally, in fact I greatly respect and admire your technical abilities and many of your contributions to Bitcoin, but I too care about Bitcoin...and I have just as much right to express my opinions as anyone else.I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I'll only ask you consider being a little more flexible and open to more on chain scaling sooner rather than later to ensure that Bitcoin maintains its position as the #1 cryptocurrency. I do not believe it will be good to wait another 6 months for segwit to (maybe) get miner approval.regards, Jonald proof LN isn't Decentralized official Electron Cash wallet