Quote Sargrith Quote: Originally Posted by Proof would only be needed if there was doubt it could be done, do you really doubt it could be? The fact is based on your next line clearly you don't. And why don't you? Because you know it could be and you know a bad stealther can do what someone else well practiced in that chapter could, and still the stealther would be as fast or faster.



You know that the difference is there, we all do. We all know the first time someone runs anything with no idea how to "game" the map the stealther can buzz through as fast or faster then someone who has the map memorized. That to hit the speed of a stealth class a non-stealth one needs to have run the map many times to find the optimal way to avoid as much as possible, if that is possible. Which on all maps is not.



For chapter 2, a stealthier can save a good 20-30 seconds, if they stealth at the right moments. That's it. For people who know the maps. If you don't know the maps, then stealthing would save you more time, sure. But we're talking about grinding here. People are gonna learn the maps pretty quick.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coury2cUMBw



This is a 6:02 speedrun. Arsenal Merc. No final cutscene or loading screen, but the merc fought two sets of 3 standard enemies she didn't need to fight. Instead of ************ about stealthers, ***** about how easy it is for a merc to face tank bosses better than actual tanks.



Show me a speedrun with a stealther that's significantly lower than that. You can't. I'm saying the difference is trivial at a 20-30 second advantage for a stealthier, if even that. What do you think this "Big Edge" is you keep going on about? Do you think it's a minute? Two minutes? You won't even solidly define what you're griping about.



Show me your proof. Show me a speedrun with a sin or a operative that's 5 minutes or lower for chapter 2. I'm guessing that you can't. I've proven that non stealthers can very quickly do chapter 2 as well. A 20-30 second advantage for stealthers is meaningless to gripe about. Getting people riled up about problems that don't exist are some of the reasons the real problems with SWTOR don't get addressed.



You also completely ignored the speed nerf stealthers are getting in 5.2. Even if this situation was real, it's already becoming a non issue.



You got angry at the assumption that stealth grinding chapters conveyed a huge advantage. And that's probably true for some chapters. But those chapters don't matter. When grinding over and over, only the fastest chapters matter. The "huge" advantage that got you so triggered on doesn't exist. If there is no doubt, if it is so obvious, then it should be very easy to prove. I'm asking you for that proof, and you thus far haven't coughed it up.For chapter 2, a stealthier can save a good 20-30 seconds, if they stealth at the right moments. That's it. For people who know the maps. If you don't know the maps, then stealthing would save you more time, sure. But we're talking about grinding here. People are gonna learn the maps pretty quick.This is a 6:02 speedrun. Arsenal Merc. No final cutscene or loading screen, but the merc fought two sets of 3 standard enemies she didn't need to fight. Instead of ************ about stealthers, ***** about how easy it is for a merc to face tank bosses better than actual tanks.Show me a speedrun with a stealther that's significantly lower than that. You can't. I'm saying the difference is trivial at a 20-30 second advantage for a stealthier, if even that. What do you think this "Big Edge" is you keep going on about? Do you think it's a minute? Two minutes? You won't even solidly define what you're griping about.Show me your proof. Show me a speedrun with a sin or a operative that's 5 minutes or lower for chapter 2. I'm guessing that you can't. I've proven that non stealthers can very quickly do chapter 2 as well. A 20-30 second advantage for stealthers is meaningless to gripe about. Getting people riled up about problems that don't exist are some of the reasons the real problems with SWTOR don't get addressed.You also completely ignored the speed nerf stealthers are getting in 5.2. Even if this situation was real, it's already becoming a non issue.You got angry at the assumption that stealth grinding chapters conveyed a huge advantage. And that's probably true for some chapters. But those chapters don't matter. When grinding over and over, only the fastest chapters matter. The "huge" advantage that got you so triggered on doesn't exist.