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Full MemberActivity: 123Merit: 100 [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 08, 2012, 06:20:53 AM #1



I'm Josh Jones, one of the co-founders of DreamHost, and although I'm new to posting on the forums, I've been lurking for a while, and have been interested in Bitcoin for about 2 years now (I even found a block on my home theater netbook back in 2010)!



Anyway, I've been buying coins on mtgox for a while now, and all the delays and manual clicking around were pretty frustrating! So, I set up a system to do what I like to do with my other investments: automatic dollar-cost-averaging!



The benefits of this type of (long term) investing are laid out well in this article:



http://www.automaticfinances.com/dollar-cost-averaging-and-the-benefits-of-automatic-investing/



I'll summarize:



* By investing a fixed dollar amount, when prices are low, you buy more, when prices are high, you buy less... resulting in a lower average cost per bitcoin.



* You don't have to think about it or do anything once you've set it up. Timing the market is hard and usually doesn't work!



* Spending a set amount per time period coincides nicely with how most people receive money: a set amount every two weeks!



Now, after running it for a few weeks for myself, I'm opening up the system for anybody to use..



https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/



There's no cost (apart from the typical mtgox/dwolla fees they charge you), and no bitcoins are stored with me (you just make an API key with "trade" rights only and enter it on the site). Just set up a schedule of how much, what currency, how often, and when to start buying bitcoin on the site, and come back in 20 years a millionaire!



Soooooo.... please check it out, give it a try, and let me know any comments/concerns/congratulations!



Thanks! Hey there!I'm Josh Jones, one of the co-founders of DreamHost, and although I'm new to posting on the forums, I've been lurking for a while, and have been interested in Bitcoin for about 2 years now (I even found a block on my home theater netbook back in 2010)!Anyway, I've been buying coins on mtgox for a while now, and all the delays and manual clicking around were pretty frustrating! So, I set up a system to do what I like to do with my other investments: automatic dollar-cost-averaging!The benefits of this type of (long term) investing are laid out well in this article:I'll summarize:* By investing a fixed dollar amount, when prices are low, you buy more, when prices are high, you buy less... resulting in a lower average cost per bitcoin.* You don't have to think about it or do anything once you've set it up. Timing the market is hard and usually doesn't work!* Spending a set amount per time period coincides nicely with how most people receive money: a set amount every two weeks!Now, after running it for a few weeks for myself, I'm opening up the system for anybody to use..There's no cost (apart from the typical mtgox/dwolla fees they charge you), and no bitcoins are stored with me (you just make an API key with "trade" rights only and enter it on the site). Just set up a schedule of how much, what currency, how often, and when to start buying bitcoin on the site, and come back in 20 years a millionaire!Soooooo.... please check it out, give it a try, and let me know any comments/concerns/congratulations!Thanks!

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DonatorSr. MemberActivity: 296Merit: 250 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 08, 2012, 09:20:55 PM #7 Quote from: joshbb on March 08, 2012, 06:20:53 AM



I'm Josh Jones, one of the co-founders of DreamHost, and although I'm new to posting on the forums, I've been lurking for a while, and have been interested in Bitcoin for about 2 years now (I even found a block on my home theater netbook back in 2010)!



Anyway, I've been buying coins on mtgox for a while now, and all the delays and manual clicking around were pretty frustrating! So, I set up a system to do what I like to do with my other investments: automatic dollar-cost-averaging!



The benefits of this type of (long term) investing are laid out well in this article:



http://www.automaticfinances.com/dollar-cost-averaging-and-the-benefits-of-automatic-investing/



I'll summarize:



* By investing a fixed dollar amount, when prices are low, you buy more, when prices are high, you buy less... resulting in a lower average cost per bitcoin.



* You don't have to think about it or do anything once you've set it up. Timing the market is hard and usually doesn't work!



* Spending a set amount per time period coincides nicely with how most people receive money: a set amount every two weeks!



Now, after running it for a few weeks for myself, I'm opening up the system for anybody to use..



https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/



There's no cost (apart from the typical mtgox/dwolla fees they charge you), and no bitcoins are stored with me (you just make an API key with "trade" rights only and enter it on the site). Just set up a schedule of how much, what currency, how often, and when to start buying bitcoin on the site, and come back in 20 years a millionaire!



Soooooo.... please check it out, give it a try, and let me know any comments/concerns/congratulations!



Thanks!

Hey there!I'm Josh Jones, one of the co-founders of DreamHost, and although I'm new to posting on the forums, I've been lurking for a while, and have been interested in Bitcoin for about 2 years now (I even found a block on my home theater netbook back in 2010)!Anyway, I've been buying coins on mtgox for a while now, and all the delays and manual clicking around were pretty frustrating! So, I set up a system to do what I like to do with my other investments: automatic dollar-cost-averaging!The benefits of this type of (long term) investing are laid out well in this article:I'll summarize:* By investing a fixed dollar amount, when prices are low, you buy more, when prices are high, you buy less... resulting in a lower average cost per bitcoin.* You don't have to think about it or do anything once you've set it up. Timing the market is hard and usually doesn't work!* Spending a set amount per time period coincides nicely with how most people receive money: a set amount every two weeks!Now, after running it for a few weeks for myself, I'm opening up the system for anybody to use..There's no cost (apart from the typical mtgox/dwolla fees they charge you), and no bitcoins are stored with me (you just make an API key with "trade" rights only and enter it on the site). Just set up a schedule of how much, what currency, how often, and when to start buying bitcoin on the site, and come back in 20 years a millionaire!Soooooo.... please check it out, give it a try, and let me know any comments/concerns/congratulations!Thanks!

Cool Thank you for bringing this free project to the community. I had a project years ago hosted with DreamHost



I will try your platform soon and let you know my thoughts.



Thanks!

Roberto

CoolThank you for bringing this free project to the community. I had a project years ago hosted with DreamHostI will try your platform soon and let you know my thoughts.Thanks!Roberto

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MemberActivity: 118Merit: 10 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 09, 2012, 09:01:01 PM #10 I'm already switching my clients to Dreamhost from GoDaddy in protest of SOPA. I'm glad to discover the cofounder also supports Bitcoin.



Also I like the concept of this service. Before trusting the site with an API key though, is there any way the community could verify Josh's identity? Please understand the healthy need for suspicion. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica. Bitcoin.

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Full MemberActivity: 123Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 09, 2012, 10:15:27 PM #12 Quote from: kangasbros on March 09, 2012, 01:34:49 PM One feature request: defining the price of the purchase. Because price is sometimes fluctuating heavily, this could be useful.



It could be a simple dropdown, where there is a choice of selections, for example:



- Market price (default)

- Highest Bid

- 24h average



What do you think?



Hmm, although it's sort of against the whole point of dollar-cost-averaging, that could be easily added. One thing, I don't think there's a difference between highest bid and market price... it's my understanding that placing a market order on mtgox will just match you up with the highest unfilled bid? One risk of doing 24h average is your order may NEVER get filled (if the 24hr moving average is the market bottom).. which would sort of suck that you didn't buy because you happened to be at the alltime low! But, let me know with those considerations if anybody would still like that option and I'll add it to the feature request list!





Quote from: BusmasterDMA on March 09, 2012, 09:01:01 PM I'm already switching my clients to Dreamhost from GoDaddy in protest of SOPA. I'm glad to discover the cofounder also supports Bitcoin.



Also I like the concept of this service. Before trusting the site with an API key though, is there any way the community could verify Josh's identity? Please understand the healthy need for suspicion.



Nice, yeah.. GoDaddy BOOOOOOO!



Maged actually already confirmed my account as the Josh I say I am in order to get whitelisted, maybe he could reply to this thread confirming?



I did try to make the site as risk-free as possible by only requiring the trade API, so WORST case I guess the site could continuously buy and sell all your mtgox coins until their transaction fees ate them all up. Which admittedly would be pretty bad!



Quote from: moocow1452 on March 09, 2012, 09:24:00 PM



https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/iejmifigokhpcgpmoacllcdiceicmejb

So what's the difference between this and the Gox Trade Bot for Chrome? Are both using the EMA system, or is this sort of a rainy day system?

I hadn't seen that, interesting!



Here are some differences:



The chrome bot tries to do a momentum-based time-the-market system, buying and selling. Bitcoinbuilder does simple automatic dollar-cost-averaging, which just always buys the same ($) amount of bitcoin at whatever time schedule you set, regardless of the market.



The chrome bot works with a fixed amount of money/btc; since bitcoinbuilder only buys, you will need to keep adding money to your mtgox account.



The chrome bot requires your web browser to be open to work; bitcoinbuilder.com runs as a web service all the time.



The chrome bot runs every hour on the hour your web browser is open; bitcoinbuilder allows you to set any schedule (from once an hour on up) and start it in the future (up to one year in advance). Hmm, although it's sort of against the whole point of dollar-cost-averaging, that could be easily added. One thing, I don'tthere's a difference between highest bid and market price... it's my understanding that placing a market order on mtgox will just match you up with the highest unfilled bid? One risk of doing 24h average is your order may NEVER get filled (if the 24hr moving average is the market bottom).. which would sort of suck that you didn't buy because you happened to be at the alltime low! But, let me know with those considerations if anybody would still like that option and I'll add it to the feature request list!Nice, yeah.. GoDaddy BOOOOOOO!Maged actually already confirmed my account as the Josh I say I am in order to get whitelisted, maybe he could reply to this thread confirming?I did try to make the site as risk-free as possible by only requiring the trade API, so WORST case I guess the site could continuously buy and sell all your mtgox coins until their transaction fees ate them all up. Which admittedly would be pretty bad!I hadn't seen that, interesting!Here are some differences:The chrome bot tries to do a momentum-based time-the-market system, buying and selling. Bitcoinbuilder does simple automatic dollar-cost-averaging, which just always buys the same ($) amount of bitcoin at whatever time schedule you set, regardless of the market.The chrome bot works with a fixed amount of money/btc; since bitcoinbuilder only buys, you will need to keep adding money to your mtgox account.The chrome bot requires your web browser to be open to work; bitcoinbuilder.com runs as a web service all the time.The chrome bot runs every hour on the hour your web browser is open; bitcoinbuilder allows you to set any schedule (from once an hour on up) and start it in the future (up to one year in advance).

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Hero MemberActivity: 812Merit: 1006 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 09, 2012, 11:20:56 PM #13 Quote from: joshbb on March 09, 2012, 10:15:27 PM Quote from: kangasbros on March 09, 2012, 01:34:49 PM One feature request: defining the price of the purchase. Because price is sometimes fluctuating heavily, this could be useful.



It could be a simple dropdown, where there is a choice of selections, for example:



- Market price (default)

- Highest Bid

- 24h average



What do you think?



Hmm, although it's sort of against the whole point of dollar-cost-averaging, that could be easily added. One thing, I don't think there's a difference between highest bid and market price... it's my understanding that placing a market order on mtgox will just match you up with the highest unfilled bid? One risk of doing 24h average is your order may NEVER get filled (if the 24hr moving average is the market bottom).. which would sort of suck that you didn't buy because you happened to be at the alltime low! But, let me know with those considerations if anybody would still like that option and I'll add it to the feature request list!

Hmm, although it's sort of against the whole point of dollar-cost-averaging, that could be easily added. One thing, I don'tthere's a difference between highest bid and market price... it's my understanding that placing a market order on mtgox will just match you up with the highest unfilled bid? One risk of doing 24h average is your order may NEVER get filled (if the 24hr moving average is the market bottom).. which would sort of suck that you didn't buy because you happened to be at the alltime low! But, let me know with those considerations if anybody would still like that option and I'll add it to the feature request list!

Well, actually I use my own script, so I don't really need that feature for myself. But people have different investing strategies, so I think that additional possible strategies would be good. But it is your service, so you decide



Edit: The highest bid is lower than the market price. Executing at market price usually means lowest ask price, which is higher than highest bid. This kind of market activity might lower the spread.



It could be something like "advanced options". I just think that there are lots of people, who would like to have their own "bot", but don't have the coding skills/time etc., so this kind of service would be very useful for them. Well, actually I use my own script, so I don't really need that feature for myself. But people have different investing strategies, so I think that additional possible strategies would be good. But it is your service, so you decideEdit: The highest bid is lower than the market price. Executing at market price usually means lowest ask price, which is higher than highest bid. This kind of market activity might lower the spread.It could be something like "advanced options". I just think that there are lots of people, who would like to have their own "bot", but don't have the coding skills/time etc., so this kind of service would be very useful for them. Want to earn bitcoins? Become a local cash exchanger at localbitcoins.com Online OTC Trading guide

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Full MemberActivity: 123Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com March 10, 2012, 07:59:18 PM #14 Ah cool, gotcha about the highest bid vs lowest ask, dur. I guess that's like saying "I'm only willing to pay as much as somebody else is willing to pay." as opposed to the market order which is "I'm willing to pay the lowest somebody is willing to sell it for." The spreads are just so close on mtgox I was like "same thing!" But definitely not, especially if I expand this to other exchanges that aren't as liquid!



Thanks for the feedback, I'll work on adding this stuff as soon as I can get to it!

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Full MemberActivity: 123Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] Automatic MtGox Investing with BitcoinBuilder.com July 18, 2012, 06:30:09 PM #17



New feature news!



1. Bitcoin Builder now supports the automatic SELLING of bitcoins (Bitcoin Unwinder?) ... perfect for miners who want to steadily convert their pool earnings into the fiat of their choice, but don't want to have to manually log in and worry about timing the market!



2. Even though it goes against the whole point of Dollar Cost Averaging, you can now choose a price other than "market price" for your automatic schedule (of buying or selling).



The additional options when buying are: highest bid, 24 hour low, 24 hour average, 24 hour volume-weighted average.

The additional options when selling are: lowest ask, 24 hour high, 24 hour average, 24 hour volume-weighted average.



Please note, choosing any of these options may result in your order not executing immediately, and therefore sitting in your mt.gox order book, possibly forever, or possibly getting executed at some later date when you lease suspect it! Use with caution!



3. The site has been slightly re-skinned to be more mobile-happy and better overall (thanks to twitter bootstrap)!



Check it out,



josh! Yes, finally!New feature news!1. Bitcoin Builder now supports the automatic SELLING of bitcoins (Bitcoin Unwinder?) ... perfect for miners who want to steadily convert their pool earnings into the fiat of their choice, but don't want to have to manually log in and worry about timing the market!2. Even though it goes against the whole point of Dollar Cost Averaging, you can now choose a price other than "market price" for your automatic schedule (of buying or selling).The additional options when buying are: highest bid, 24 hour low, 24 hour average, 24 hour volume-weighted average.The additional options when selling are: lowest ask, 24 hour high, 24 hour average, 24 hour volume-weighted average.Please note, choosing any of these options may result in your order not executing immediately, and therefore sitting in your mt.gox order book, possibly forever, or possibly getting executed at some later date when you lease suspect it! Use with caution!3. The site has been slightly re-skinned to be more mobile-happy and better overall (thanks to twitter bootstrap)!Check it out, https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/ josh!