On Wednesday, documentarian Michael Moore told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes that he thinks it is possible that Donald Trump may be the last president ever in the United States.

It all happened during a discussion of Moore’s new film, Fahrenheit 11/9.

Hayes started the ball rolling by asking Moore if he really thinks Trump could be the nation’s last president.

“I think it’s possible, absolutely,” Moore replied. “I think that we have someone in the White House who has no respect for the rule of law, who dislikes democracy by an incredible degree, which doesn’t make him really any that much different from other billionaires or CEOs because their businesses are not democracies. They rule by fiat. They decide, they make the calls and they don’t like anybody else having a say. They also like to take home the bulk of the money, with them. So this is — putting somebody like that in charge of a democracy is a very dangerous thing, and especially, it’s more dangerous with him because he has a complete lack of ideology.”

Pressing further, Hayes asked, “You think it’s more dangerous because he doesn’t believe in anything?”

“Absolutely,” Moore said. “People say to me, well, if we impeach Trump, we’ll have Pence. I go, great, at least he believes in something. I’m not afraid of having a debate with Pence over whether or not Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago.”

Hayes told Moore he didn’t really think Pence believed the Adam and Eve dinosaur thing, but Moore did not take it back, noting. “He also believes that if you’re gay, you can be converted into being straight.”

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