Do H!P fans think music by all other idols is shit?

1: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:22:44.85 0

You know, just like how all the other idol fans think H!P music is shit?

3: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:25:17.51 0

I don’t think it’s shit. I just don’t feel like listening to any of it.

5: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:26:51.46 0

Once you get hooked on H!P, you can’t go back to listening to other idols anymore.

18: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:34:31.02 0

>>5

I thought that way when I was a H!P wota, too. It just felt like such a bother listening to other idols, so I didn’t.

7: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:28:11.22 0

Yeah, other idols’ music does seem boring without the usual H!P qualities. But I’m sure fans of those other groups would say the same thing about their favorite groups.

6: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:27:34.29 0

I think PASSPO☆ is the best as far as compositions go,

9: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:29:15.50 0

I listen to AKB groups a lot.

10: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:29:54.73 0

I think the lyrics Akimoto writes for AKB are incredibly shallow. And not just shallow in the way Terada’s lyrics are shallow; it’s the kind of shallowness that it feels like it’s a crook writing them. I do think the music is good though.

11: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:30:39.35 0

I like groups such as Perfume and BABYMETAL who don’t rely on handshake events. The AKB groups are the worst thing to ever happen. I don’t understand what their listeners hear in them.

12: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:31:08.16 0

The quality of H!P music is just too high.

All the other groups? Yeah… not so much. ＾＾；

13: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:31:22.25 0

I liked BiS.

14: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:31:45.95 0

Even the scope of H!P itself is so wide though. I don’t really like Buono! or °C-ute for example.

131: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:24:13.22 0

I don’t like idol songs where the guitar is the main instrument.

15: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:32:28.43 0

AKB’s music is something you listen to with the lower half of your body. That’s the part of your body it’s made to stimulate.

16: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:33:10.01 0

PASSPO, BABYMETAL, BiS, Buono!, I really can’t listen to any of that rock-type stuff. That’s all it takes for me to completely reject them. I just feel embarrassed when I try to listen to something like PASSPO.

20: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:34:35.39 0

BiS had a reason for being just for releasing “nerve.”

23: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:36:10.93 0

It just feels lacking if it doesn’t have H!P’s uncoolness.

24: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:36:16.88 0

BiS has lots of great songs. Groups like Sakura Gakuin, BELLRING Shoujo Hearts and Ebichuu are like a treasure trove of great songs, too. I’ve discovered so much good music after I quit being a H!P wota.

27: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:36:51.12 0

I really think “One Two Three” is the only good H!P song.

85: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:15:33.17 0

>>27

I made a Momoclo fan friend of mine listen to that and they didn’t like it at all.

87: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:20:04.48 0

>>85

That song got a great reception at the MBS music festival though. I think it got the best reception in NY, too.

29: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:37:27.19 0

I used to listen to AKB a lot. Now I just think they’re shit.

38: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:42:24.59 0

I don’t have any interest in idol songs. I just want to listen to Meimei sing.

40: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:42:58.24 0

I think 90% percent of all H!P songs are shit, and it’s all worse than stuff by other idols. But every now and then they’ll put out an amazing song no other idol group could ever be capable of releasing.

46: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:48:03.99 0

>>40

Same here. I think H!P’s songs are shit for the most part, but every now and then they’ll have a song I could never hear from another group, so I can’t give up on them.

49: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:48:52.12 0

We’re now living in an age where people will say any idol song is shit if you can’t “oi oi” or MIX to it.

52: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:50:41.76 0

When all’s said and done… I still personally found myself enjoying H!P this year, too. Songs like “Otona na no yo” and “Kokoro no Sakebi,” and on the other end of the spectrum, songs like “Diet Oukoku” and “Chikyuu wa Kyou mo Ai wo Hagukumu.”

54: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:52:40.51 0

Every now and then I’ll hear a song by a non-H!P idol group and think it’s good. I won’t think it’s shit, but I also won’t actively listen to it. With H!P songs, it happens so often that I’ll hear a song by them that I think is shit on the first listen, but after listening to it several times, or after hearing it again for the first time in several years, I’ll suddenly really like it.

57: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:53:37.29 0

H!P wota are all like religious fundamentalists who will only recognize H!P idols as being anything worthwhile. For them, all other idols are shit, all their songs sound like shit, and liking any other idol group would be nothing short of heresy.

64: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:57:23.84 0

As far as idols go, H!P, Perfume and Kyary are pretty much all I listen to.

62: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:56:49.75 0

Please don’t listen to just idols.

65: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:57:34.93 0

Even though I actually do like the music itself, I really just can’t physically stand hearing the lyrics Akimoto writes for AKB.

67: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:58:29.40 0

>>65

This so much. I’ve never been able to stand listening to AKB.

70: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:59:47.29 0

Akekasu is, in a word, shit. Flimsy, boring, all-unison vocal melodies even on the recorded versions of their songs. I can’t bear listening to them.

79: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:09:18.41 0

BABYMETAL needs about three times the amount of songs they have right now if they don’t want people to get start getting bored of them.

81: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:10:37.10 0

With “I miss you,” °C-ute finally has a song they actually have a fair chance with on the major music market.

83: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:12:08.05 O

Akekasu’s songs are good, but the lyrics are so damn shallow.

I like SUPER GIRLS, Idoling!!!, Fudanjuku and THE Possible.

Up Up Girls are so amateurish, their songs sound only half-finished.

Dempagumi are out of the question.

At the end of the day, H!P are just the most interesting.

90: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:24:26.70 0

I don’t think there’s much meaning in being so fanatical about the music when it comes to idols. Or, to be exact, I don’t see any meaning in doing so.

91: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:25:15.65 0

>>90

Well, what about idols does have meaning then?

93: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:26:47.54 0

>>91

The members’ personalities. The only reason Momoclo is promoted as some sort of idol group for music lovers (LOL) is because they’re trying to hide the fact that their members have no personality.

94: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:27:47.87 0

Groups like Momoclo and Dempagumi are just trying to make up for their low quality members by using songwriters with established reputations.

97: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:32:32.36 0

Tsunku is a pretty well-established songwriter, too, you know.

95: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:30:48.66 0

If you want to talk about the “quality of the members,” how would you rank H!P?

100: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:35:57.46 0

I don’t ever feel like listening to anything but H!P so I wouldn’t know.

43: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 14:46:07.14 0

I think H!P’s songs are shit, but the members themselves are pretty high quality. It’s like a bunch of F1 racers all driving crappy, worn-out cars.

96: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:31:46.34 0

Nogizaka’s members are high quality.

111: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:45:38.64 0

The one thing I do know is that H!P is the only one with a well-known songwriter who still continues to mass produce amazing music.

112: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:47:42.19 0

I found this year’s crop of songs to be pretty disappointing though. But I guess it can’t be helped considering what was going on in his private life.

113: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 15:47:49.13 0

H!P is the only group that makes you question the sensibilities of its songwriter. (laughs) It’s kind of like if you’ve been eating nothing but tonkotsu ramen for a long time, ordinary soy sauce ramen won’t taste much like anything anymore. Once you get used to H!P’s songs, other groups’ music will just sound boring.

123: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:12:16.69 0

I don’t have the time to listen to anything outside of H!P. If I did have the time (and the money), I’d listen to other groups and go to their events, too.

128: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:21:08.72 0

Momusu hasn’t had a good song since “Namidacchi.”

136: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:32:33.79 0

If you listen to music by other idols, you’ll be shocked by how shitty H!P songs sound in comparison.

139: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:35:06.05 0

I thought AKB was pretty amazing at first, what with it having so many members and bringing about the era of idols. But at the end of the day, H!P is the most high quality group.

130: KD182250251231.au-net.ne.jp 2014/11/06(木) 16:23:39.98 0

Does it even make a difference in AKB’s songs who the center is? It’s all just singing in unison and a “main singer” isn’t even a thing with them, so it feels like the songs are all the same regardless of the center member.

149: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:46:57.06 0

H!P just has such a large variety of songs, including the shitty ones. They have history. I really think that’s their strong point.

151: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:55:26.51 0

More than the music, it’s the unison singing (and the lyrics) with AKB and the yapping vocals of Momoclo that turn me off those groups. avex does have an impression for me of doing a lot better on this front.

140: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:37:46.94 0

Isn’t the deal with idol groups pretty much that you come to like their songs because you like the idols themselves?

142: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:42:40.23 0

I don’t think it’s just one or two of us who don’t care the least bit about idols, but are just hooked on H!P’s songs. That’s something I would think is different from other idols. Well, BABYMETAL might have some of those types of fans, too, though.

145: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 16:44:13.42 0

>>140

Some of us come to like idols because we liked their songs first.

163: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 17:55:55.64 0

You’ll be able to think of a good song as being just that — a good song — if you don’t have any preconceptions about the group performing it. But if you already hate the group before you hear them, their music will inevitably sound like shit to you. It’s all subjective. You won’t say someone has good music if you detest the group that’s performing it.

And that’s why I can pretty much listen to all idol groups aside from AKB.

How come nobody told me how great

of a song “The Matenrou Show” is?

1: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:45:33.50 0.net

This kind of thing happens a lot with you guys.

4: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:46:59.05 0.net

The rival song of “One Two Three.”

2: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:46:00.57 0.net

I bet you like “Romance no Tochuu” as well.

12: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:49:02.61 0.net

If you like that kind of song, you’ll like Taishisu, too.

18: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:51:57.73 0.net

“Chikyuu wa Kyou mo Ai wo Hagukumu” should be right up your alley, too.

19: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:53:11.98 0.net

You’ll definitely like “Ijiwaru Shinaide Dakishimete yo,” too. I especially recommend the version with Daaishi.

23: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:56:00.51 0.net

You like Earth, Wind & Fire’s “My Promise”, too, don’t you?

63: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:16:54.02 0.net

Thank you to the person who recommended Earth’s “My Promise.” I love this kind of thing.

26: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:56:34.31 0.net

How about “Inspiration”?

27: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:57:12.02 0.net

“YAH! Aishitai” is good, too.

5: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:47:07.18 0.net

I recommend “Egao YES Nude,” “Mythology” and “Seishun no Custard,” too.

30: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:58:14.64 0.net

This is nice and funky as well.

“Seishun no Custard” (Ongaku Gatas) Yoshizawa Hitomi & Satoda Mai

33: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:01:37.17 0.net

Hirashou (Hirata Shouichirou) really did his best with “Matenrou Show,” but still, I would’ve wanted them to call DANCE MAN to do it.

35: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:03:32.14 0.net

>>33

“Matenrou Show” was (Suzuki) Shunsuke. Hirashou arranged songs like “Chikyuu Honki” and “Renai Hunter.”

34: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:03:23.28 0.net

I like disco and funk stuff, so me, too. Looks like you and me would get along great.

36: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:04:10.18 0.net

>>34

I think anyone who still sticks with H!P in this day and age likes those genres — myself included.

38: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:07:28.77 0.net

Shining Power → Matenrou Show → Waratte YOU → Romance no Tochuu → Tokai no Hitorigurashi

39: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:09:45.66 0.net

I used to think TOKYO GIRLS’ STYLE was the group for funk lovers, but lately GALETTe is coming out on top for me. Chikuda Hiroshi, a pupil of Matsui Hiroshi (TOKYO GIRLS’ STYLE) has written many of their songs.

This one’s a bit more house-flavored though:

42: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:10:57.04 0.net

I would’ve wanted Matsui Hiroshi to arrange more songs for H!P.

41: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:10:46.40 0.net

>>39

Didn’t know that about Chikuda. Thanks for the bit of trivia.

53: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:23:56.90 0.net

>>41

Nanba Kazumi presents “The Songs of Our Heroines” ~Finding the key people of idol pop!～ no.18: Chikuda Hiroshi – CDJournal (J)

When Matsui went to Kyushu to work with local idol group CQC’s, that’s apparently when the two became teacher and student. This song is probably Matsui:

56: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:31:34.98 0.net

>>53

Matsui is like a machine at making good songs. This guy has almost no duds.

47: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:13:33.29 0.net

Ongaku Gatas – “Aisaretai Aisaretai”

This is Matsui Hiroshi, too.

57: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:52:13.10 0.net

The blu-ray of Colorful Character is something you basically watch just for this song and the medley.

65: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:25:45.66 0.net

If you like “Matenrou,” maybe you’d like SMAP, too?

Here’s “Akai Inazuma” performed by its songwriter.

66: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:27:17.78 0.net

I love SMAP. (laughs)

70: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:52:31.73 0.net

If you like SMAP, then give this one a listen at least once. It features the same guitarist as on their albums “007” and “008”. This is fusion though.

Herbie Hancock – “Man Child”

71: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:57:36.87 0.net

“Matenrou Show” is nice. I also like “Kiiroi Osora de” and “Iku ZYX.”

67: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:29:01.43 0.net

I don’t know what you’d call this genre, but are there any idols out there right now who sing songs like this? If so, please do tell. I want to get fired up to this kind of stuff at some live club.

68: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 23:34:45.37 0.net

>>67

That’s called “rocking R&B.” It was R&B from the 50’s and 60’s that became the prototype for rock and roll. I couldn’t tell you if there are any idols who perform this kind of thing now, though. Sorry. But if you go back in time I’m sure you’d find idols who do, because groups like Candies used to do Stax soul and basically just all-out blues. They were generally leaning more towards R&B though, so they’re a bit different from what you’re looking for.

74: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:24:21.92 0.net

>>68

Candies were funk or Motown at best. The closest they got to R&B was stuff like Tina Turner’s “Proud Mary.”

Candies – Fantasy (‘78.4.1 live)

Candies – Sir Duke

75: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:27:33.33 0.net

>>74

“Yasashii Akuma” is nothing if not blues. Hell, even their theme song was just flat-out MG’s.

77: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:30:40.44 0.net

What kind of music did Tsunku P like again? Funk? Is that different from soul or blues?

79: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:33:18.45 0.net

>>77

They have similarities, but feel free to think of them as separate things entirely. The real funk fans will call Tsunku’s funky songs only “pseudo-funk” or something. It’s hard to call them genuine funk. That’s a complaint you’ll often see in threads like this.

80: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:33:33.36 0.net

There’s not that clear of a difference between any of them. Well, I guess the one thing you could say is that soul is 8-beat, funk is 16-beat, and blues is 3 chords.

81: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:35:21.24 0.net

I don’t understand any of the musical jargon, so all I can really say is “okay.” By the way, does H!P then have anything that’s like soul or blues? Sorry for making you teach me all the basics.

82: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:40:44.53 0.net

Something like Tanpopo’s “Sentimental Minamimuki” I guess would be close to Motown, or rather, the stylish soul of Invictus Records/Hot Wax Records that were created by the Motown songwriting team Holland-Dozier-Holland. (Someone just mentioned Stax soul — that’s something that could be called more “earthy,” I guess.) Soul, too, has lots of different sub-styles.

I don’t think H!P has any songs that would give you a clear idea of what blues is on first listen. But sort of like Prince’s “Purple Rain,” they have lots of songs that if you listen to closely, you’ll definitely hear the basic structures of blues in there.

83: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:45:07.99 0.net

It’s rock and roll, but this one is kind of bluesy:

Morning Musume – 3, 2, 1 BREAKIN’ OUT!

And this one is kind of funky, but it’s also kind of 70’s soul-ish:

Morning Musume – DANCE suru no da!

84: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 00:54:40.38 0.net

>>82>>83

Thanks. I kinda-sorta (and I really mean kinda-sorta) get what soul is now. Considering how there’s so few of those kinds of songs in H!P’s wide library of music, I guess it means those aren’t really Tsunku P’s favorite genres of music.

87: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 01:01:38.69 0.net

>>84

There aren’t any songs that are clearly blues, but there are quite a lot of songs that are soul-ish. That first Tower Records compilation album (the one with the songs chosen by President Minewaki and Nanba Kazumi), for example, was basically full of mainly funky and soul-y songs.

89: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 01:14:52.76 0.net

This:

Hello! Project no Zenkyoku Kara Atsumechaimashita! Vol.1 (Nanba Kazumi × Minewaki Ikuo) [Tower Records Limited Edition] (generasia)

90: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 01:19:36.66 0.net

>>89

1. Egao YES Nude (ALBUM MIX) – Morning Musume

2. Kimagure – Goto Maki

3. Sentimental Minamimuki – Yaguchi Mari (Tanpopo)

4. Toshoshitsu Taiki – Berryz Kobo

5. Aisaretai Aisaretai – Ongaku Gatas

6. Popcorn Love! – Morning Musume

7. Bye Bye Bye! – °C-ute

8. Aki Urara – Morning Musume

9. Himitsu no Utahime – Berryz Kobo

10. PARTY TIME – Guardians 4

11. Nebou Desu. Date na no ni… – Morning Musume

12. Debut! ~Koisuru Kado ni wa Fukukitaru~ – Ice Creamusume

13. Uchuu de La Ta Ta – Taiyou to Ciscomoon

14. Let’s Do Daihakken! – Fujimoto Miki

15. Kokuhaku Kinenbi – Melon Kinenbi

16. Romance no Tochuu – Juice=Juice

17. The Matenrou Show (TYPE 0) – Morning Musume

91: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/07(金) 01:32:37.13 0.net

>>90

Great song selection. Clearly the work of professionals.

50: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 22:14:56.09 0.net

I wish they’d get more songs like Matenrou.

3: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:46:55.16 0.net

For some reason they don’t even perform it live much.

9: 名無し募集中。。。 2014/11/06(木) 21:48:09.78 0.net

They should really give the song to some other group if they won’t even sing it themselves. It’s just that good.

Henkka: Just in case anyone wanted my answer to the question posed by the first thread: no, I don’t think all non-H!P idol music is shit. With that said, not a lot of it appeals to me. BABYMETAL is cool and I kinda-sorta dig BELLRING Shoujo Heart’s gimmick, but that’s pretty much it, and neither of those groups grab me to the point where I’d care to follow them to any real extent.

I’m definitely in the camp of people who get into idols through their music first (silly me, I know), and I used to be better about giving groups a fair chance to decide what I think about them. But at this point I have no real expectations for anyone that isn’t produced by Tsunku, and let’s be honest: more often than not, this lack of expectation leads to me not even bothering anymore.

But what with Tsunku just in the last two months giving me songs like “I miss you,” “Romance wo Katatte” and “Shabadabadoo” like it’s just another day at the office for him… what the hell, right?



Sources: http://blog.livedoor.jp/mbcmsm/archives/41147376.html, http://helloprocanvas.ldblog.jp/archives/41776007.html