Nations: colonizers gave a shit about them during the colonial period the produced actually existing capitalism… shouldn't you?

"What is most important, the fundamental idea of our Theses? It is the difference between the oppressed and the oppressor nations. We emphasize this difference––in contrast to the Second International and bourgeois democracy. It is especially important for the proletariat and the Communist International during the epoch of imperialism to establish concrete economic facts and to approach all colonial and national questions not from the abstract but from the concrete point of view. […] Imperialism is characterised by the fact that the whole world is now divided into a large number of oppressed nations and a very small number of oppressor nations that are enormously rich and strong in the military sense."

"And now we see that, as the result of a far-reaching colonial policy, the European proletariat has partly reached a situation where it is not its work that maintains the whole of society but that of the people of the colonies who are practically enslaved. The British bourgeoisie, for example, derives more profit from the many millions of the population of India and other colonies than from the British workers. In certain countries, these circumstances create the material and economic basis for infecting the proletariat of one country or another with colonial chauvinism." [Lenin, Thesis on the Fundamental Tasks of the Second Congress of the Third International]

Let's begin with a dialectical tension: the proletariat, being an international class, has no nation; at the same time the proletariat is everywhere embedded in nations––this is because nations exist. To be more precise, capitalism produces a global situation where the proletariat everywhere shares a common destiny (it is an international working class capable of uniting against international capitalism), and yet the proletariat emerges in concrete situations of nations, and nations that are sometimes parasitical on other nations, because global capitalism is also not a one world state but, rather, multiple states––some of which are imperialist, some of which are settler states, some of which are peripheral, and many of which share the previously mentioned characteristics. So the proletariat, on one hand, should move towards a position of unity with its counterparts throughout the world but, on the other hand, cannot escape the fact that it is embedded in very concrete circumstances. In this situation, the path of one revolutionary movement cannot just follow the diktats of another movement; in this situation, the people living in one nation may be oppressed by even the workers of another nation.Failure to resolve this tension has led some communists to make significant errors: on the one hand, if there is too much focus on the fact that the proletariat is an international class that sometimes exists, we can lapse into colonial chauvinism; on the other hand, if there is too much focus on difference and the idea that, we can lapse into national culturalism.This is why the ideologues of the Third International spent so much time discussing the theoretical problems of the "National Question"––indeed, the majority of the Third International's Second Congress (two entire sessions!) was devoted to this theoretical problematic and it is amazing, almost a decade later, how insightful this Congress was. Indeed, Lenin began the Fourth Session of the Second Congress of the Third International by arguing:And by the end of the Fifth Session, after much debate, the Third International was passing statements against the Zionist colonization of Palestine, before that colonization ever reached its crystallization, because it recognized that nations could oppress other nations (either through settler-colonialism or imperialism) and because it further recognized that the workers of these oppressing nations could also oppress the workers of the oppressed nations. It argued that there was a need for workers in both oppressing and oppressed nations to recognize their comment lot; at the same time it recognized that, just as bourgeois individuals should recognize their common humanity with proletarian individuals, only the revolutionary actions of the oppressed could force this common understanding.People tend to forget that Lenin wrote some interesting things about nations and colonialism––this is because some people are under the impression that Lenin was some boring eurocentric marxist who only cared about an abstract proletariat facing an abstract bourgeoisie. But for Lenin the proletariat and the bourgeois classes were never abstract; they were always concrete, always embedded in nations––and sometimes there could be oppressor and/or oppressed nations. Take, for example, this statement from Lenin that connects colonialism with the concept of the labour aristocracy:Here we see that Lenin is arguing that the proletariat in a nation that profits from colonialism has more to lose than its chains; it is invested in colonialism, it is invested in a colonial nation, it is opposed to the revolutionary struggles of those nations upon whom it is parasitical. Colonial chauvinism,, is more of a result of this material fact than some bourgeois conspiracy to divide the working class . Most importantly, though, Lenin recognized the fact of nations and, by recognizing this fact, that different sections of the international proletariat emerged within the context of nations. "Europeans often forget that colonial peoples, too, are nations," Lenin wrote inAnd this forgetfulness is the problem because it is through this forgetfulness that some self-proclaimed representatives of communist internationalism attempt to make proclamations against national self-determination. By focusing on the first half of the dialectical tension, and accepting that the proletarian is international, there are those who will argue that we should ignore national oppression because it gets in the way of this abstract internationalism. But this is precisely the forgetfulness that Lenin highlights because it is based on an assumption that only––the nation-hood of the subjects of Europe and its heirs. In, Lenin claimed that this abstract internationalism was a "hypocrisy" because it is tendered by those who already possess the benefits of living in a non-oppressed nation and is used against peoples in oppressed nations from demanding the same benefits. To argue that the masses in these nations will be liberated by uniting with the masses in those nations oppressing them is to ignore the fact that there is already a disparity: the former is oppressing the latter and, just as the proletariat cannot unite with the bourgeoisie, workers in oppressed nations cannot easily unite with people in the oppressor nations. Something else is required, and at the very least this must be the recognition of national oppression.But this something else is the very requirement of internationalism because it forces those who benefit from living in a fully articulate nation to realize that they must cross over, unite with the colonized (as Fanon argued), and "must demand the right of political secession for the colonies and for the nations 'its own' nation oppresses. Unless it does this, proletarian internationalism will remain a meaningless phrase; mutual confidence and class solidarity between the workers of the oppressing and oppressed nations will be impossible; the hypocrisy of the reformist and Kautskyan advocates of self-determination who maintain silence about the nations which are oppressed by 'their' nation and forcibly retained within 'their' state will remain unexposed." [Lenin,] Point being: if you want to unify the dialectical tension between the fact that the proletarian is international and that it is embedded in nations, then you have to be willing to accept that some nations are oppressors, some are oppressed, and find a way to achieve unity within this context. Otherwise you are not an internationalist: you are a hypocrite, a colonial chauvinist, someone who abides by the colonial logic of their own nation while pretending that they are part of no nation. For if you are an internationalist, wouldn't you have to agree that your nation's dependency on colonialism and imperialism must be rejected because of the fact that it oppresses people in other nations? Wouldn't you have to leave your own privileged nationhood behind to support the right of secession of a nation you are dominating so that the people of that oppressed nation can, through their moment of self-determination, come to see you as a comrade?For, if we have read our Fanon, then we must recognize that oppressed nations can only see the workers of those nations whose entire existence is contingent upon colonial oppression as enemiesthey endorse this demand for self-determination. If you exist, if you derive your privilege from the super-oppression of an entire group of people, then you have to question your social context. You cannot just demand that the people in this oppressed population join your international if you haven't first recognized that they have the same national standing––which for you is invisible because you just happened to be born into a privileged and autonomous nation.Again:That is, people from European and Eurocentric nations, by the very fact that they enjoy the privilege of nationhood, get to forget that people they colonize are also nations. Anarchist activists are especially privy to this hypocrisy: they like to trash the entire notion of nationhood while, at the same time, drawing their very existence from national privilege. "All flags are coloured rags," some anarchists will proclaim, failing to recognize that the flag of their own nation, which they claim to reject, allows them a certain measure of political privilege––a privilege they might forbid to those nations upon which their own nation is dependent.But forget the anarchists! Marxists have historically, contra-Lenin, made the same mistake in their manic endorsement of an abstract international proletariat that they (thehere being theof colonial and imperial privilege) seek to command. The most tragic examples of this colonial "internationalism" are those marxists who claim the theory of the national question does not apply to actually oppressed nations but only those nations, being properly Europea, that they recognize: hence the idiocy of certain sectarian marxist groups in Canada to recognize Quebec, since they claim it is a proper nation according to European standards (it possesses a "political economy", it is white!), and not the nations that were actually colonized by British and French imperialism. Yes:On the other side, however, is the line that seeks to reject this colonial approach to nationhood by presuming an ontological difference between the peoples of every nation. Grasping that national chauvinism exists, a simple solution is to propose that there can never be any solidarity between the oppressed masses of disparate nations. The cultural contexts, we are told, are irreconcilable and there is only the fact of oppression produced by those who speak of "internationalism"! But this culturalist response is the product of the chauvinism that claims that nations do not matter while, at the very same time, speaking from the position of privileged nationhood… In the end it might be reactionary, but it is an answer to an inverse reactionary sentiment: if you say nations do not exist, while speaking from the position of an oppressor nation, then be prepared for oppressed nations to echo your sentiments and, in this process, arguing for the cultural foreclosure of any solidarity.If you say that national oppression is not an issue while you benefit from national oppression, then be prepared for those you oppressed to say that national difference matters, that you are the enemy, that there can be no solidarity. Again, Lenin had something to say about this: "age-old oppression of colonial and weak nationalities by the imperialist powers has not only filled the working masses of the oppressed countries with animosity towards the oppressing nations, but also with distrust of them in general, even of the proletariat of these nations." [Lenin,] This national oppression is "age-old" and, if we are ever to producesome sort of solidarity, we need to figure out how to approach an internationalism that is not riven with the false internationalism of those who stand within the sphere of eurocentric national privilege and argue that every nation they exploit should not possess the same autonomy.But in the end we say this: the recognition of national self-determination produces solidarity, produces the possible amelioration of nations, produces a truly international proletariat. In the end we reject the attempt to foist the particularities of one revolutionary movement upon another, but we accept that these particularities can meet in a truly equal international freed from national chauvinism. In the end, because we are dialecticians, we accept that the proletarian can be internationalnational. And in the, long after the facts of internationalism and national embededness are truly recognized and met, we argue that there will eventually be no such thing as national or international.