“ Well, surprisingly (or unsurprisingly given RT’s track record of NOT shying away from Grey morality)-”



Here’s where I personally disagree, RT not shying away from Grey morality doesn’t mean they’re good at showing it. In RWBY we have Adam who was forced into Joining Salem’s forces (by Proxy of Cinder high on Maiden powers, burning his base (along with her weapon) to show him what would happen if he didn’t listen followed by a bribe of dust and Lien) and happened to be Personally abusive towards Blake (because the writers decided to ditch the idea of Adam being mad at her for running away because Race Traitor, in favor of “it was a bad romantic relationship you guys, and he’s not over it”). The rest is kind of fine.

Not only was this not my point (I wasn’t arguing the quality of writing at this point)-

I talked about Adam quite a bit here. In fact, I dedicated quite a bit to talking about how Adam was morally grey himself. This doesn’t disprove anything because I actually showcased stuff contradicting your implication here. (Like how he was scarred by the SDC and how he was used by Sienna.)

“Even the person chosen to represent the more nuanced and sympathetic side of humans (Weiss) isn’t excused for her behaviors and often has to work to make up for her racist attitudes in the beginning.“

Okay now this is where the B.S really comes into play here, now in “Black & White”, Weiss isn’t called out for her racism against the faunus, she was called out for making her teammate run away. No one talked to her about her views on Faunus and later on in that episode, her racism magically disappeared.

Yeah-

Not what I was referring to. In fact, I’m once again stumped because I never said she WAS ‘called out’, I said she ‘wasn’t excused for her behaviors’. These carry very different meanings. So different they refer to two different aspects of writing. Being called out would imply the action being done in universe while not being excused for her behaviors implies talking about the meta aspects of the show. Supported by the fact that the rest of that paragraph and the topic it was a part of was talking about the writing in a meta sense.

“ And Adam’s actions end up making Weiss jaded and racist due to suffering from his actions, direct or indirect. “

Firstly the raid on Schnee’s personal life was before Adam stabbed Sienna’s Monica Rial sounding ass, so it was Sienna’s fault. Secondly even if Adam was on that raid, Weiss’s racism was less “It was that one Faunus that ruined everything” and more “The only faunus I met were the ones that were part of a terrorist group that attacked my company and killed family/friends” (the latter isn’t exactly accurate).



Adam is Sienna’s main enforcer AND even with Sienna is shown to be leading his own section of the White Fang so he’s still the one at fault. He’s still the primary driving force of the White Fang throughout it’s run as an antagonistic force. Just because Salem is the main bad guy doesn’t mean Cinder doesn’t harbor fault for her actions. The person doing the actions still harbors fault because ‘I did what I was told’ is not an excuse.

I’ll admit I might have not made it clear that was what I was referring to (That Adam’s actions as a leader of the White Fang as well as being Sienna’s right hand meant that he bears the most responsibility for how Weiss came to be.)

Like I said I thought this was your sloppiest RWBY essay. Hopefully no one gives you too much flack for this.



Look man-

There is stuff to criticize here, like my lack of flow in my writing, or how I couldn’t connected the discussions about Adam’s greyness and the cycle of violence to the rest of the essay proper. But the stuff you pointed out here isn’t wrong.

The first point didn’t even connect to what I was saying beyond being about ‘moral greyness’ and didn’t even seem to take into account what I said later.

The second point misunderstands what I said to the point I don’t know how that happened. And once again, wasn’t right. (Blake called her out, remember? And no, your dislike of Blake doesn’t stop her role in that narrative.)

And the third point…really, it just sounds like trying to shift the blame to prevent Adam from being guilty. Not helped is your potshot at Monica Rial ( combined one of your points just being a shot at RT’s quality of writing which I wasn’t talking about there) makes sit seem like this was driven by something outside of the objective facts here.

Again, I’ll admit fault with the third point as I might have not made myself clear. And there are issues outside of what you stated here. But this stuff? This doesn’t seem to hold up.