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In this episode, Joe sits down with Kevin Matthews, Campaign Manager of Decriminalize Denver, the group looking to decriminalize magic mushrooms. During the show, they cover topics such as the Right to Try Act, therapeutic success and what it might look like to have Psilocybin decriminalized in Denver.

3 Key Points:

Decriminalize Denver’s efforts are aimed to decriminalize Psilocybin Mushrooms in the city of Denver, CO., and are currently getting signatures to be on the May 2019 ballot. The Federal Right to Try Act allows a person with a life-threatening illness to use any substance that has passed phase one clinical trials. There is so much research and data on the benefits of Psilocybin Mushrooms, and being in an age of social media sharing, people are waking up to the idea of mushroom decriminalization.

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Show Notes

About Kevin

Kevin is a part of the group, Decriminalize Denver The group submitted the ballot initiative called the Denver Psilocybin Mushroom Decriminalization Initiative and they are getting signatures to make the May 2019 ballot

Kevin became interested in mushrooms after leaving as a Cadet at the US Military Academy due to major depression He was interested in Psilocybin Mushrooms impact on depression



Talking Publicly about Psilocybin Use

“Self-healing from psychedelics” is something most people want to be careful talking about Does it uninspire therapists? Does it ruin the medical model?

Kevin states that people are afraid to talk about it because they are a schedule 1 substance Those who are willing to take the risk to talk about it are because they believe that mushrooms might have the best impact on them



Right to Try Act

Kevin knows someone with PTSD and tumors who is prescribed to Psilocybin under the Federal Right to Try Act Anyone who has a life-threatening illness can use any substance that has passed phase one under clinical trials His psychiatrist said that the psilocybin has been nothing short of miraculous in its effects He takes 1.5-2 grams of dried mushrooms every 7-10 days

It puts him in control of his own protocol Trump just signed the Federal Right to Try Act this summer, Colorado has had their own since 2014



Generational Mushroom Use

Joe says that the media landscape has really changed in the past few years and so much more research and information is becoming accessible to everyone

Veterans for Natural Rights group is supporting this mushroom movement

After the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, a lot of people went underground with their use 30 million people in the country have used psychedelics in the last decade More young people now are using psychedelics than the same age group used psychedelics in the 60’s



Decriminalize Denver

The goal of the group is to decriminalize the personal use and personal possession of Psilocybin mushrooms, including the propagation of mushrooms for personal use

“Our main goal with this is to keep individuals out of prison, help our vets, and help our loved ones who suffer from these traumas” – Kevin

Colorado Always Making Progress

Right now, Colorado state legislature is looking at safe injection sites and different kinds of penalty such as rehab instead of incarceration Joe says Denver is a kind of microcosm of the whole nation, it has an interest in both sides of an issue, instead of just one sided

“Mushrooms help, in a very profound way. And opening that door is the first step to changing people’s minds, both metaphorically and physically.” – Kevin The medical applications of Psilocybin are huge such as for a stutter, autoimmune issues, anxiety and depression



Talking about Psilocybin

Kevin says you can’t have a conversation without two opposing sides He is excited for when the conversation starts because there is a ton of points on why Psilocybin is proven to be effective John’s Hopkins said that Psilocybin should at a minimum be a Schedule 4 (same level as prescription sleep aids) source

Schedule 1 means “no medical value and high risk of abuse” From the clinical research and population studies alone on Psilocybin, we know that’s false



Decriminalize Denver’s Current Focus

Getting all 5,000 signatures (2,000 so far) by January 7th

Coalition building, doing some fundraising

Getting volunteers activated

After getting all the signatures, then they will be on the ballot. Once on the ballot, the campaign and outreach starts

Using Psilocybin for Therapy

Joe brings up a story about his teacher Lenny Gibson who had multiple bouts of cancer and is a psychedelic scholar. Lenny was incredibly mad at Tim Leary because he was in cancer support groups and imagines how many more options cancer patients would have for pain if drugs were not made illegal

Looking at decreasing suffering, it would be special for the Denver population to find relief in anxiety and depression before going into a life-threatening surgery, etc.

If this turns into a regulatory medical paradigm, licensure is important How do we create the paradigm to open the work in a professional therapeutic manner?



Grand Rounds

Doctors will get together around a case study and share it within the medical community It’s a way to share and practice case studies organically and internally

With social media alone 30,000 people can be reached a month Typing in to Google “benefits of mushrooms” brings up a ton of research

When people hear about John Hopkins, NYU, Harvard, UCLA Medical Center, and all of these companies that have already been doing the research they become more interested Medicalization does not equal rescheduling Carl Hart

It takes the breaking up of a family after prison time of a drug offense, 7 generations to recover Joe knows of a case where someone in Colorado who got busted for having mushrooms only ended up serving 2 weeks and didn’t get a felony for it

In 2005 New Mexico Court of Appeal said that cultivation of psilocybin mushrooms does not qualify as the manufacture of a controlled substance, as long as they aren’t dried

Mushrooms are Beneficial, Not Harmful

How do we ruin fewer lives by legalizing mushrooms and keeping people out from behind bars?

Mushrooms can put you in touch with yourself and help connect yourself to others

Feedback

Most of the responses are, “Hell yeah I’m going to sign this!” or “This saved my life” Kevin says when someone says no, it’s all about educating them

They had 45% support it and 20% maybes

Working with the City

The bill would include a Psilocybin Mushroom Policy Review Panel, a city level committee made up of health professionals, Police, Denver Sheriff’s office, city attorneys, etc

Final Thoughts

Kevin wants as many people as possible willing to participate to volunteer

They will be starting public Q&A twice a month (and live streaming them)

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About Kevin

Kevin Matthews is leading the decriminalization of Psilocybin mushrooms in Denver, Colorado. He and his group of dedicated volunteers are currently collecting signatures to make the May 2019 Ballot.