Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts #2081 its 2250g that could be like necrobook or w/e. Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2082 So Meka on BM still? https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts #2083 If u have the farm and ur team needs it it's still definitely good. I'd have it situational really.



BM has a lot of different viable item progressions depending on how much farm ur assigned and what ur goal for the hero is. I still think necrobook is among the best as it pushes obscenely well with his aura plus opens up solo-kill possibilities vs roared targets. Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2084 On October 03 2014 00:04 Sn0_Man wrote:

If u have the farm and ur team needs it it's still definitely good. I'd have it situational really.



BM has a lot of different viable item progressions depending on how much farm ur assigned and what ur goal for the hero is. I still think necrobook is among the best as it pushes obscenely well with his aura plus opens up solo-kill possibilities vs roared targets.



Hm, I might ahve to make a "special" tab for him perhaps. Hm, I might ahve to make a "special" tab for him perhaps. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2085 Stats coming for tomorrow. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2088 Phantom Lancer (Middle)

Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items

Removed Assault Cuirass

Added Abyssal Blade



Phantom Lancer (Lane)

Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items

Removed Assault Cuirass

Added Abyssal Blade



Sniper (Middle)

New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)



Elder Titan (Middle)

Removed Phase Boots

Added Power Treads to Core Items



Elder Titan (Lane)

Removed Rod of Atos

Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Removed Tranquil Boots (Bottle is in Core Items)

Added Power Treads



Spectre

New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Spectral Dagger 2. Desolate 3. Dispersion)



Beastermaster (Lane)

Removed Mekansm

Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots

Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Removed Drums of Endurance



Beastermaster (Middle)

Removed Mekansm

Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items Before Arcane Boots

Added Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items



Pugna

Removed Healing Salve



Abaddon

Removed Urn of Shadows

Added Bottle to Core Items



Axe (Lane)

Removed Mekansm

Moved Crimson Guard to Core Items



Spirit Breaker

New Skill Build: Q, E, W, Q, Q, R, Q, W, W, W, R, E, E, E (1. Charge of Darkness 2. Empowering Haste 3. Greater Bash) Moved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsRemoved Assault CuirassAdded Abyssal BladeMoved Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsRemoved Assault CuirassAdded Abyssal BladeNew Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Shrapnel 2. Take Aim 3. Headshot)Removed Phase BootsAdded Power Treads to Core ItemsRemoved Rod of AtosAdded Crimson Guard to Situational ItemsRemoved Tranquil BootsAdded Power TreadsNew Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Spectral Dagger 2. Desolate 3. Dispersion)Removed MekansmMoved Blink Dagger to Core ItemsAdded Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsRemoved Drums of EnduranceRemoved MekansmMoved Blink Dagger to Core ItemsAdded Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Urn of ShadowsAdded Bottle to Core ItemsRemoved MekansmMoved Crimson Guard to Core ItemsNew Skill Build: Q, E, W, Q, Q, R, Q, W, W, W, R, E, E, E (1. Charge of Darkness 2. Empowering Haste 3. Greater Bash) https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2089 http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/2i6vks/38248753_total_subscriptions_october_3rd_stats/ -- Dota 2 Reddit topic is up. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

BluemoonSC Profile Joined November 2010 SoCal 7987 Posts #2090 all good changes, torte. keep up the good work! Sellout @BluemoonGG_ | The past is your lesson. The present, your gift. And the future.. your motivation.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #2091 Thank you.



I'm mainly looking for feedback on Sniper and Leshrac builds as I am the most unsure about those. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts #2092 Sniper is prolly best going

w/e/q/q/q/r/q/e/e/e/r



if ur mid u want a bottle.



lesh is realllllly flexible and game dependent. I think ult is a value point until 4/4/4/1 though.



Stun maxing makes it easier to hit stuns and is your highest "up front" damage.

Edict maxing is primarily for pushing, but is very powerful for that

Lightning maxing is good for farming and is your highest theoretical DPS in fights.



What skill you prioritize is completely dependent on the game. In a high-skill scenario I think stun stays at level 1 for a long time if you have setup, but for guide-readers I think stun maxing is the most reliable build.



Yeah IMO the simplest, most brain-dead can't fail cookie cutter build for lesh would be q/e/q/e/q/r/q/e/e/w/w/w/w/stats/r/r/

Items are basically urn into euls into luxury (force, atos, hex, shivas, blink, heart, whatever). Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

TheYango Profile Joined September 2008 United States 10886 Posts #2093 I'd say E-max Leah is more "brain-dead" than Q-max but otherwise that's right. Moderator

Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 16:50:10 #2094 Then u whiff ur stun like an idiot >_>



But I suppose u could whiff ur stun with Q max and then E-max is more dmg Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 16:52:21 #2095 When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.



Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.



I'll fix Sniper now https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

TheYango Profile Joined September 2008 United States 10886 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 17:49:34 #2096 Regarding Pugna starting items, clarities are impractical on most mid heroes because you can't step away from the lane long enough for them to be practical.



Either you start a bottle rush start like 3 branch + tango (rare because Pugna is a strong laner and there's only a small handful of laners you'd need to be that pussy against) or you want the salve so you can play aggressive with your pre-bottle regen (and if you're not finding it useful you're probably not playing your pre-bottle lanes aggressively enough). Clarities in your starting items rarely make sense for a mid hero. Moderator

TheYango Profile Joined September 2008 United States 10886 Posts #2097 On October 04 2014 01:51 Torte de Lini wrote:

When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.



Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.



I'll fix Sniper now

You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage. You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage. Moderator

Buckyman Profile Joined May 2014 1362 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:02:47 #2098

Sniper mid proofreading: Mask of Madness is great for whether you're ahead of behind



A great item for Sniper as he wants to tear down foes before even approaching him .

This should say "before they even approach him", right?



This should say "before they even approach him", right? (Manta Style) This item works great for s niper



(Butterfly) Given Snipers low life, Evasion is not a bad idea given Snipers

This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item.



This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item. Maelstrom and Mjollnir let's you never needing further attack speed again and offering further forms of farming and dishing out effects including your passive : Headshot.



Shrapnel can be used on towers or to illuminate areas, if unsure if an area, try using shrapnel to see if it is safe. Additionally, it can be used to slow down opponents if can be maxed first if you want to harass them out of mid.



Headshots damage is great

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:27:20 #2099 On October 04 2014 02:47 TheYango wrote:

Regarding Pugna starting items, clarities are impractical on most mid heroes because you can't step away from the lane long enough for them to be practical.



Either you start a bottle rush start like 3 branch + tango (rare because Pugna is a strong laner and there's only a small handful of laners you'd need to be that pussy against) or you want the salve so you can play aggressive with your pre-bottle regen (and if you're not finding it useful you're probably not playing your pre-bottle lanes aggressively enough). Clarities in your starting items rarely make sense for a mid hero.



The Pugna guide is a Lane version however. Would this rule still apply?



On October 04 2014 02:48 TheYango wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 04 2014 01:51 Torte de Lini wrote:

When I used to play carry Leshrac, I maxed E for harassment + bottle made infinite Lightnings, then max Edict for the easy tower before moving onto the next tower.



Never got a point in Q, so the build is pretty bad but I got a lot of success out of it.



I'll fix Sniper now

You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage. You only need 1-2 points in Edict to bust towers and delaying Split Earth loses a lot of burst damage.



I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.

In the lane version, he has an early point in R.



On October 04 2014 03:18 Buckyman wrote:

Sniper mid proofreading:

Show nested quote +

Mask of Madness is great for whether you're ahead of behind



Show nested quote +

A great item for Sniper as he wants to tear down foes before even approaching him .

This should say "before they even approach him", right?



Show nested quote +

(Manta Style) This item works great for s niper



Show nested quote +

(Butterfly) Given Snipers low life, Evasion is not a bad idea given Snipers

This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item.



Show nested quote +

Maelstrom and Mjollnir let's you never needing further attack speed again and offering further forms of farming and dishing out effects including your passive : Headshot.



Show nested quote +

Shrapnel can be used on towers or to illuminate areas, if unsure if an area, try using shrapnel to see if it is safe. Additionally, it can be used to slow down opponents if can be maxed first if you want to harass them out of mid.



Show nested quote +

Headshots damage is great Sniper mid proofreading:This should say "before they even approach him", right?This description is totally garbled. Also, the description should mention its use as a MoM-like escape item.



Thank God you're here man to read some of the terrible things I miswrite!

Let me fix it all now The Pugna guide is a Lane version however. Would this rule still apply?I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.In the lane version, he has an early point in R.Thank God you're here man to read some of the terrible things I miswrite!Let me fix it all now https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

TheYango Profile Joined September 2008 United States 10886 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-03 21:40:31 #2100



If you're playing a sidelane farming Pugna you start with a RoP because you're going to get a Basi (Basi is really important for breaking sidelane towers), and starting health regen becomes even more important. If you're playing a support Pugna I'm not helping you write a support Pugna guide because that's now how the hero should ever be played, lol. On October 04 2014 06:27 Torte de Lini wrote:

I'll fix Leshrac in a sec, maybe delay R in this regard. I'm not quite sure yet.

In the lane version, he has an early point in R.



Mid Lesh can take all 4 skills because he gets earlier mana items and has Bottle. A sidelane support Lesh needs to be conservative with his skill choices because mana is way more limited and you can't feasibly use all 4 spells until you get a chance to get more mana for yourself (possibly even taking Stats over skill points if necessary). This is why traditionally, support Lesh has tended to focus on 2 skills first and waiting on getting ult and the 3rd skill Mid Lesh can take all 4 skills because he gets earlier mana items and has Bottle. A sidelane support Lesh needs to be conservative with his skill choices because mana is way more limited and you can't feasibly use all 4 spells until you get a chance to get more mana for yourself (possibly even taking Stats over skill points if necessary). This is why traditionally, support Lesh has tended to focus on 2 skills first and waiting on getting ult and the 3rd skill Moderator

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