Trusty Profile Joined July 2010 New Zealand 520 Posts #2

All-in, OR IS IT?





Good job on guide

Requesting TangSC meme:All-in, OR IS IT?Good job on guide

RaiD.RaynoR Profile Joined February 2012 United States 284 Posts #3 i also like to bring 1 queen all the way down you know, for shits and giggleZ Redemption is the consequence of forgiveness

Sated Profile Blog Joined March 2011 England 4982 Posts #4 Stuff like this is why I 3gate Sentry/1gate expand EU High Masters Protoss ~ Grubby: "I'd rather play a strategy that is worse, but that I feel confident in, than play the better strategy, not really feeling it and not being 100% behind it" ~ Sad Zealot Fan </3

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #5 On March 02 2012 07:30 Trusty wrote:

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Haha this one definitely is all in. Though in about 2% of games you may contain him to 1 base kill his natural and be forced to expand yourself...but that seems unlikely. Haha this one definitely is all in. Though in about 2% of games you may contain him to 1 base kill his natural and be forced to expand yourself...but that seems unlikely. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Flonomenalz Profile Joined May 2011 Nigeria 3473 Posts Last Edited: 2012-03-01 22:44:06 #6 Using this every ZvP.



I hate late game t.t



edit: Can you make a thread like this for Zenio's 3 hatch baneling bust against FFE? There's some VODs of it from the latest Homestory Cup. I love crazymoving

Trusty Profile Joined July 2010 New Zealand 520 Posts #7 On March 02 2012 07:42 TangSC wrote:

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On March 02 2012 07:30 Trusty wrote:

Requesting TangSC meme:

All-in, OR IS IT?





Haha this one definitely is all in. Though in about 2% of games you may contain him to 1 base kill his natural and be forced to expand yourself...but that seems unlikely. Haha this one definitely is all in. Though in about 2% of games you may contain him to 1 base kill his natural and be forced to expand yourself...but that seems unlikely.



Hehe, yeah just teasing Hehe, yeah just teasing

GGfytheWORLD Profile Joined October 2010 Korea (South) 37 Posts #8 Plenty of other posts I can go to to learn about standard macro procedures, etc.

A fantastic guide, thanks.

KimJongChill Profile Joined January 2011 United States 6426 Posts #9 Ahh, kinda like 4-gate nexus cancel, right? MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss

Oboeman Profile Joined January 2011 Canada 3958 Posts Last Edited: 2012-03-01 22:52:48 #10



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

GloPikkle Profile Joined October 2010 United States 197 Posts #11 If only Leenock's ZvP was on par with his other MUs.

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #12 On March 02 2012 07:49 KimJongChill wrote:

Ahh, kinda like 4-gate nexus cancel, right?

Yeah that's a good way of thinking it. It just requires a little more scouting than the nexus cancel. Yeah that's a good way of thinking it. It just requires a little more scouting than the nexus cancel. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Trusty Profile Joined July 2010 New Zealand 520 Posts #13 On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.





14/14 is to keep P in the dark.



Gasless into roach/ling is pretty easy to spot - since you need more than 4 lings to kill 1 zealot, without speed. 14/14 is to keep P in the dark.Gasless into roach/ling is pretty easy to spot - since you need more than 4 lings to kill 1 zealot, without speed.

Oboeman Profile Joined January 2011 Canada 3958 Posts #14 On March 02 2012 07:55 Trusty wrote:

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On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.





14/14 is to keep P in the dark.



Gasless into roach/ling is pretty easy to spot - since you need more than 4 lings to kill 1 zealot, without speed. 14/14 is to keep P in the dark.Gasless into roach/ling is pretty easy to spot - since you need more than 4 lings to kill 1 zealot, without speed.



With the 3rd base, I actually want him to scout. I have a queen and creep to help my slow lings keep him out of my natural, and speed should still finish in time for me to catch his zealots without having to show any roaches. With the 3rd base, I actually want him to scout. I have a queen and creep to help my slow lings keep him out of my natural, and speed should still finish in time for me to catch his zealots without having to show any roaches.

Forbidden17 Profile Joined December 2011 665 Posts Last Edited: 2012-03-01 23:06:24 #15 On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.



edit: this type of all-in usually straight up wins or loses, it's rare to find an inbetween. Sure yours has more economy and has stronger reinforcements, but I sure hope those extra speedlings can jump over forcefields because that's the timing you're playing off of. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.edit: this type of all-in usually straight up wins or loses, it's rare to find an inbetween. Sure yours has more economy and has stronger reinforcements, but I sure hope those extra speedlings can jump over forcefields because that's the timing you're playing off of.

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #16 On March 02 2012 08:04 Forbidden17 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.

That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it. That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Forbidden17 Profile Joined December 2011 665 Posts #17 On March 02 2012 08:05 TangSC wrote:

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On March 02 2012 08:04 Forbidden17 wrote:

On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.

That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it. That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it.

oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #18 On March 02 2012 08:07 Forbidden17 wrote:

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On March 02 2012 08:05 TangSC wrote:

On March 02 2012 08:04 Forbidden17 wrote:

On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.

That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it. That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it.

oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether

No no I'm agreeing with you, it's still a 14g14p. No no I'm agreeing with you, it's still a 14g14p. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Forbidden17 Profile Joined December 2011 665 Posts #19 On March 02 2012 08:08 TangSC wrote:

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On March 02 2012 08:07 Forbidden17 wrote:

On March 02 2012 08:05 TangSC wrote:

On March 02 2012 08:04 Forbidden17 wrote:

On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.

That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it. That's what I was thinking. If you want to just put on pressure while macroing, do what Leenock does against Naniwa in the other games - same build but no hatch cancel, use the roaches to pick off forge/cyber/gateway/pylons but don't commit to an all-in, drone behind it.

oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether oic, then yea if you don't want to all-in then it's a different story altogether

No no I'm agreeing with you, it's still a 14g14p. No no I'm agreeing with you, it's still a 14g14p.

haha i realized after I posted and didn't want to bother editing hoping you'll just read it the right way ^^ haha i realized after I posted and didn't want to bother editing hoping you'll just read it the right way ^^

Oboeman Profile Joined January 2011 Canada 3958 Posts Last Edited: 2012-03-01 23:14:40 #20 On March 02 2012 08:04 Forbidden17 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On March 02 2012 07:50 Oboeman wrote:

If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.



I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

http://drop.sc/103680



If you open gasless instead of 14/14 you can squeeze in more drones, and then you don't even need to cancel the hatch. I hit a bit later, but with bigger economy for more speedling reinforcements. Usually I hit 7:45ish with 8 roaches and 20 lings, producing lings continuously off of double injects. It's still early enough that protoss automatically dies if they didn't build a bunch of extra cannons. The roaches take down the wall and the constant stream of speedlings finishes him off even if he made a void ray.I also have a variation of it (similar to zenio's baneling bust) where I take a fast 3rd hatch instead of a second queen, to make it much more difficult to scout. I try to show him the 3rd base, but prevent him from scouting my gas. I hit with 8 roaches and rally speedlings from 3 hatches with one queen.

gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.



edit: this type of all-in usually straight up wins or loses, it's rare to find an inbetween. Sure yours has more economy and has stronger reinforcements, but I sure hope those extra speedlings can jump over forcefields because that's the timing you're playing off of. gassless = gl denying probe scouts. Your claimed timing of 7:45 and Leenocks 7:10 is the difference between a protoss who doesn't have warpgates / a completed stargate, or one who does.edit: this type of all-in usually straight up wins or loses, it's rare to find an inbetween. Sure yours has more economy and has stronger reinforcements, but I sure hope those extra speedlings can jump over forcefields because that's the timing you're playing off of.



He usually won't have enough forcefields. You are correct that the timing lines up with warpgate and void ray. In the replay I posted, warpgate finished just as I was attacking, and he had a void ray out, and it didn't matter. If toss builds a bunch of extra cannons, they repel it quite easily, but without the cannons, they still die.



If you want to hit earlier, you can cut more drones, letting you bank more money for the roaches. That works too, but you'll have fewer lings later on. It's still intended to be an all in, despite having more hatcheries. They just give it more reinforcing power. You have the option of scouting his wall off before committing to zerglings, and you can drone behind it if he cannoned up, but you'll be behind anyway because you made the roaches. He usually won't have enough forcefields. You are correct that the timing lines up with warpgate and void ray. In the replay I posted, warpgate finished just as I was attacking, and he had a void ray out, and it didn't matter. If toss builds a bunch of extra cannons, they repel it quite easily, but without the cannons, they still die.If you want to hit earlier, you can cut more drones, letting you bank more money for the roaches. That works too, but you'll have fewer lings later on. It's still intended to be an all in, despite having more hatcheries. They just give it more reinforcing power. You have the option of scouting his wall off before committing to zerglings, and you can drone behind it if he cannoned up, but you'll be behind anyway because you made the roaches.

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