

Shamayim

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join:2002-09-23 2 edits Shamayim Premium Member Oh yeah? Well Cablevision charges a mere $300.00 set-up fee for residential 101/15Mbps service. What's Utopia's set-up for fee for their 100/100Mbps service?

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Edit: "Utopia charges a $65 set-up fee." Oh.



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Natoma6

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Brooklyn, NY Natoma6 Member Re: Oh yeah?



That said, 100/100 kills my 50/20 FIOS for $90/mo. Time for Verizon to get with the program and upgrade!



I've had this dinky 50/20 connection for only a year. More speed now! Verizon's setup is free. No fee.That said, 100/100 kills my 50/20 FIOS for $90/mo. Time for Verizon to get with the program and upgrade!I've had this dinky 50/20 connection for only a year. More speed now!

jimbo21503

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Euclid, OH jimbo21503 Member Sign... Where do I sign?



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

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Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Looking better and better My GF is from Utah and wouldn't mind moving back. Every time I see this, it looks better and better.

caco

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Whittier, AK caco Premium Member FuzzCore website

Nice Needs a web designer, almost had a seizure looking at website. Nice tiers available.

glinc

join:2009-04-07

New York, NY glinc Member dang is it available in nyc?



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

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Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: dang said by glinc:



is it available in nyc?

is it available in nyc? UTOPIA = Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency



baineschile

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Sterling Heights, MI 1 recommendation baineschile Premium Member Re: dang I thought Utah was just across the street from Williamsburg in Brooklyn? Am I wrong???



hayabusa3303

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said by glinc:



is it available in nyc?

is it available in nyc?



why is it that when people are from nyc they think they should get fastest internet than anyone else? what makes nyc special?



Not everyone LIVES IN NYC YOU KNOW. i have noticed something here when faster net speeds come up here.why is it that when people are from nyc they think they should get fastest internet than anyone else? what makes nyc special?Not everyone LIVES IN NYC YOU KNOW.

glinc

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New York, NY glinc Member Re: dang hahaha, this is where all the business is man!! that's why we should get all the speed we can lol



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC hayabusa3303 Premium Member Re: dang LOL im sure BRONX and Queens is all business too right? NEXT.

Anaerobic

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Bronx, NY 1 edit Anaerobic Member Re: dang Although it's funny that you say that because it is the BRONX (and the rest of CV's footprint) that is getting OOL's 101MB service.



Why do people in NYC think they should have the fastest internet? Why not, doesn't everybody want fast internet? Being the most populated city in the U.S. helps as well.

edit:didn't see cdru's post below me.



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC 1 edit hayabusa3303 Premium Member Re: dang said by Anaerobic:



Why do people in NYC think they should have the fastest internet? Why not, doesn't everybody want fast internet?

Why do people in NYC think they should have the fastest internet? Why not, doesn't everybody want fast internet?



Of course two isp there would have the same cap because they know they can screw with ALOT of people because there is no other connection you can get there. (talking about wired or fiber) said by Anaerobic:



Although it's funny that you say that because it is the BRONX (and the rest of CV's footprint) that is getting OOL's 101MB service. Although it's funny that you say that because it is the BRONX (and the rest of CV's footprint) that is getting OOL's 101MB service. would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.Of course two isp there would have the same cap because they know they can screw with ALOT of people because there is no other connection you can get there. (talking about wired or fiber)o yes looks at the start up fee » Cablevision 101Mbps: $300 'Activation Fee' [126] comments



Matt3

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Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: dang said by hayabusa3303:



would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap. I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ fifty nine Member Re: dang said by Matt3:



said by hayabusa3303:



would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more.



What if higher speeds are used for streaming or other applications? Actually that is under the assumption than higher speeds are used for download.What if higher speeds are used for streaming or other applications?



hayabusa3303

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said by Matt3:



said by hayabusa3303:



would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more.



You never know what is next in the pipeline coming out. You already have 1080p downloading what about when 3D launches? Xbox has already talked about that so that eats up MORE bandwidth. So yes content gets better and BIGGER you download MORE. look at the 360 and netflix(example) and other services that are coming online so YES you will use more when services like that come to the masses. internet is not for geeks anymore.You never know what is next in the pipeline coming out. You already have 1080p downloading what about when 3D launches? Xbox has already talked about that so that eats up MORE bandwidth. So yes content gets better and BIGGER you download MORE.



Matt3

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Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: dang said by hayabusa3303:



said by Matt3:



said by hayabusa3303:



would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

would be funny as hell 100/100 connection with a 250g cap.

I don't think so. Just because you can download something faster doesn't mean you'd suddenly start downloading more.



You never know what is next in the pipeline coming out. You already have 1080p downloading what about when 3D launches? Xbox has already talked about that so that eats up MORE bandwidth. So yes content gets better and BIGGER you download MORE.

look at the 360 and netflix(example) and other services that are coming online so YES you will use more when services like that come to the masses. internet is not for geeks anymore.You never know what is next in the pipeline coming out. You already have 1080p downloading what about when 3D launches? Xbox has already talked about that so that eats up MORE bandwidth. So yes content gets better and BIGGER you download MORE. I use all that right now. Just because I upgrade to 100Mbps symmetrical doesn't mean I'll suddenly start watching more movies or gaming more. I'll just be able to do it more easily.



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC 1 recommendation hayabusa3303 Premium Member Re: dang maybe not for you, but other people would.



Matt3

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Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: dang said by hayabusa3303:



maybe not for you, but other people would.

maybe not for you, but other people would. I simply don't think that's true and I've never seen any evidence, either directly or indirectly, that proves otherwise.



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC hayabusa3303 Premium Member Re: dang said by Matt3:



said by hayabusa3303:



maybe not for you, but other people would.

maybe not for you, but other people would.

I simply don't think that's true and I've never seen any evidence, either directly or indirectly, that proves otherwise. This is NEW ground here of course there is no evidence with speed that high.



cdru

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said by hayabusa3303:



why is it that when people are from nyc they think they should get fastest internet than anyone else? what makes nyc special? why is it that when people are from nyc they think they should get fastest internet than anyone else? what makes nyc special?



Plus, ~20m live in the NYC and surrounding communities. That's 1/15 of the coutry's population. Odds are very favorable that more then one or two people posting here are in the metro area and would want to have those speeds. It's no different then people in smaller cities wondering when they will be getting such access, just that there are more people in NYC so their inquiries would naturally be more numerous. NYC by far has the highest population density of any US city. If an ISP is looking for the most bang for the buck, deploying there is going to access the most number of subscribers with the least amount of physical plant costs. One of the biggest expenses of deploying new technology such as fiber is the labor and material costs to get the fiber to the home. If you can hit more homes in a smaller area, it means lower deployment costs.Plus, ~20m live in the NYC and surrounding communities. That's 1/15 of the coutry's population. Odds are very favorable that more then one or two people posting here are in the metro area and would want to have those speeds. It's no different then people in smaller cities wondering when they will be getting such access, just that there are more people in NYC so their inquiries would naturally be more numerous.



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC hayabusa3303 Premium Member Re: dang Sure have that many people in one area have only a few isp in the area have caps hit and people have no where to turn.



Hell if i was a ISP up there i would put the screws up there, look at all the money to be made off caps. Then the rest of the country could be cap free then.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop Member What's their definition of "unshared"? Unshared? BS. It's going to be shared at some point.

28619103 (banned)

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21435 28619103 (banned) Member Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? Shared vs unshared is marketing FUD that most people just don't get. Some talk about how their ISP offers "dedicated" without really having a clue that ALL Internet connectivity is shared at some point fairly close to their home.

patcat88

join:2002-04-05

Jamaica, NY patcat88 Member Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? said by 28619103:



Shared vs unshared is marketing FUD that most people just don't get. Some talk about how their ISP offers "dedicated" without really having a clue that ALL Internet connectivity is shared at some point fairly close to their home.

Shared vs unshared is marketing FUD that most people just don't get. Some talk about how their ISP offers "dedicated" without really having a clue that ALL Internet connectivity is shared at some point fairly close to their home.



If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards. It matters where its shared. Upgrading a peering link is many times cheaper than upgrading the last mile, and therefore its much more likely to be done. Also backbone links in general are installed to be almost the fastest available. Nobody would install a 100mbit peering link today, everyone uses 10 gigabit, but they charge on 95th percentile, which means you subscribe to a 100 or 1000 mbit speed tier, but you can definitely burst to 10gbit.If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards.

28619103 (banned)

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21435 28619103 (banned) Member Re: What's their definition of "unshared"? said by patcat88:



It matters where its shared. Upgrading a peering link is many times cheaper than upgrading the last mile, and therefore its much more likely to be done. Also backbone links in general are installed to be almost the fastest available. Nobody would install a 100mbit peering link today, everyone uses 10 gigabit, but they charge on 95th percentile, which means you subscribe to a 100 or 1000 mbit speed tier, but you can definitely burst to 10gbit.



If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards.

It matters where its shared. Upgrading a peering link is many times cheaper than upgrading the last mile, and therefore its much more likely to be done. Also backbone links in general are installed to be almost the fastest available. Nobody would install a 100mbit peering link today, everyone uses 10 gigabit, but they charge on 95th percentile, which means you subscribe to a 100 or 1000 mbit speed tier, but you can definitely burst to 10gbit.If you upgrade a core router, your not going to fill it with 100 mbit line cards for connections to your Tier 1s. Your going to fill it with 10gbit cards.



The network oversubscription is incremental from the last mile, to the metro, to the core, to the peering edge, etc, etc. Each have a cost and FTTH or "dedicated" is basically marketing FUD.



The network is really shared from your PC (or even eariler). The difference with DSL or FTTH and HFC is not if it is dedicated, it is how long your "dedicated" cable is.



The Internet is shared, pure and simple. Anyone that believes in "dedicated" has no idea how the Internet works. What you stated above is common belief, but not really accurate. The upgrade cost of "the last mile" is similar whether it is HFC, DSLAM or ONT. The concentrators have to be upgraded and node-splits are not that expensive. The costs of metro and backbone are just as expensive as it is not just the "peering interface"The network oversubscription is incremental from the last mile, to the metro, to the core, to the peering edge, etc, etc. Each have a cost and FTTH or "dedicated" is basically marketing FUD.The network is really shared from your PC (or even eariler). The difference with DSL or FTTH and HFC is not if it is dedicated, it is how long your "dedicated" cable is.The Internet is shared, pure and simple. Anyone that believes in "dedicated" has no idea how the Internet works.

nasadude

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Rockville, MD nasadude Member price too high why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?



The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.



jadebangle

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00000 jadebangle Premium Member Re: price too high said by nasadude:



why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?



The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.

why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.

CC 12/2 for 24.95/42.95 is much more enticing... oh wait..

they do have the upper hand at higher speed but you gotta pay by the balls :| You're right... it can't compete with comcast on lower tierCC 12/2 for 24.95/42.95 is much more enticing... oh wait..they do have the upper hand at higher speed but you gotta pay by the balls :|

patcat88

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said by nasadude:



why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?



The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.

why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.



And you somehow expect to get 100mbit unlimited in a residential or consumer setting for less the 1/4 the wholesale cost?



Any residential customer who buys a 100mbit unlimited line, surely knows how to extract every cent of their purchase (multiple RAID 5 systems doing P2P). There isn't much contention you can rely on. $100-$200 per month is fine for a residential 100/100 link.



The usually the fastest backbone links you can buy are 10 gigabits anyway. If you go with an old school ILEC backbone, they will give you a 40 gigabit if you have the $.



And before you start talking about Japan, the bandwidth off the island is limited to 20mbitps. The 1 gigabit speeds you hear of are only to customers of that ISP, or only to other computers in Japan. So its basically your on a LAN with everyone else on your ISP/your ASN, it doesn't mean you get to the internet at 1 gigabit. Try buying an unmetered 100mbit link from a Tier 1 or 2. Cogent, which is the 99 cent store of Tier 1s, will charge you $4000 per month for a 1gigabit link, thats $400 per month for 100Mbitps unmetered.And you somehow expect to get 100mbit unlimited in a residential or consumer setting for less the 1/4 the wholesale cost?Any residential customer who buys a 100mbit unlimited line, surely knows how to extract every cent of their purchase (multiple RAID 5 systems doing P2P). There isn't much contention you can rely on. $100-$200 per month is fine for a residential 100/100 link.The usually the fastest backbone links you can buy are 10 gigabits anyway. If you go with an old school ILEC backbone, they will give you a 40 gigabit if you have the $.And before you start talking about Japan, the bandwidth off the island is limited to 20mbitps. The 1 gigabit speeds you hear of are only to customers of that ISP, or only to other computers in Japan. So its basically your on a LAN with everyone else on your ISP/your ASN, it doesn't mean you get to the internet at 1 gigabit.



dvd536

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: price too high said by patcat88: said by nasadude:



why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?



The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.

why are all the 100/100M services in the U.S. well northward of $100/mo when the rest of the broadband leaders in the world are charging less than that for triple play packages?The pricing of these tiers seems to be arbitrarily high and makes me wonder if they don't throw these plans out there just to brag about it, because they can't expect many takers at $130 or $150 a month.

And before you start talking about Japan, the bandwidth off the island is limited to 20mbitps. The 1 gigabit speeds you hear of are only to customers of that ISP, or only to other computers in Japan. So its basically your on a LAN with everyone else on your ISP/your ASN, it doesn't mean you get to the internet at 1 gigabit. Sounds like bredbandsbolaget. I rarely get more than 40KB/s from a bbb.se server



hayabusa3303

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Florence, SC hayabusa3303 Premium Member Got to love there maintenance at least they are HONEST. Unfortunately, both FuzeCore VoIP telephone and internet services carried over the UTOPIA network may experience an outage during this maintenance period. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause (We like making late-night calls to Dial-A-Joke while surfing the web just as much as you do!),



jadebangle

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00000 jadebangle Premium Member lafayette 50mbps is only 57.95 there is no 100mbps



does utopia have a cap? they shouldn't have any cause most other isp do not such as charter 60mb/5mb,comcast 50/10mbps



147.00 is too much



I would go for 50mbps at 75.00 instead if their are it would probably not cost much more like 69.99 not 147.00 but surewest charges 191.99 for 50mbps insane prices!does utopia have a cap? they shouldn't have any cause most other isp do not such as charter 60mb/5mb,comcast 50/10mbps147.00 is too muchI would go for 50mbps at 75.00 instead



Pinbeak

@masonpud3.org Pinbeak Anon First? Not Really Some Washington State Public Utility Districts have been wholesaling 100mbps connections through local retailers for at least eight years. Welcome to the speed club folks. Here's a link to one in Shelton, WA: » www.adjicent.com/internet.html . Check out the prices!



longstreet

join:2004-11-14

Plano, TX longstreet Member Well, mostly true Nothing wrong with this IMO.



The problem is that Comcast and Qwest have been legally *&^)blocking UTOPIA. They just don't have that much coverage in Utah. It's a few, select cities and that's it.



You should see how much money Comcrap and Qworst have thrown into keeping UTOPIA subdued.