“Those are polls that computer programmers can mess with, those aren’t real," Chuck Todd said. | Getty Chuck Todd to Trump spokesman: 'Why are you creating a reality that does not exist?'

Chuck Todd tussled with Donald Trump’s campaign spokesman Thursday about the post-debate polls, with the host of “Meet the Press” ending the interview with a look of exasperation.

“Why do you think multiple polls, scientific polls have said Hillary Clinton won that debate by a 2-1 margin?” Todd asked Trump's spokesman Jason Miller. “It's not even been close.”


“I have to set you straight on that one,” Miller interjected when Todd asked about why his boss was lagging in legitimate scientific polls. “The polls that happened the night of the debate, the snap polls, the ones that happen online, those all showed Mr. Trump winning in a huge way. ”

Todd tried to correct Miller and point out that the surveys he was clinging to had no relevance in reality.

“Those are fan polls, man,” Todd said. “Those are polls that computer programmers can mess with, those aren’t real.”

But Miller refused to budge. He said that a poll like the NBC News-SurveyMonkey survey was influenced by media bias. In Miller’s eyes, the mainstream media’s coverage of Clinton after the debate skewed any response that researchers might have received.

Their inability to agree on what was a real poll was just the beginning. Miller refused to accept the notion that his boss did not have a stellar performance on Monday night, despite Trump’s own advisers saying as to The New York Times.

“I just don’t understand why we are creating a reality that does not exist,” Todd said in response to whether Trump missed a single opportunity in his showdown against Clinton at Hofstra University.

Toward the end of the interview, Todd followed up on suggestions by Trump that the search engine Google is rigged against him. “Do you have any evidence for that?” Todd asked.

Miller pointed to a Breitbart News article published during the summer. In August, long after the story appeared, Trump appointed the website’s chairman, Steve Bannon, as his campaign chief.