Een lang interview met een ver familielid van de schoonzoon van Donald Trump. Die familielink klinkt interessant, maar de hoofdmoot van dit interview gaat over de manier waarop binnen de Amerikaanse Alt-right scene wordt gedacht en gehandeld.

On Twitter I found a guy called Mike Kushner in the right-wing alternative scene, his profile said that he is a distant relative of Jared Kushner, president Donald Trump’s son-in-law. This interested me and I asked him if he was open to an interview. Mike was very willing to participate and the result is a conversation about the personality of Jared Kushner, the Trump presidency, alternative media, conspiracy theories, the alt-right and immigration in Europe and the US.

B = Bryon Adams

M = Mike Kushner

B: My first question is, what is your relation to Jared Kushner?

M: I’m a distant cousin on the Berkowitz side of the family. We are only related by marriage.

B: So not directly in DNA?

M: No

B: OK. Just asking it for clarity. Have you ever met Jared in real life?

M: Only a couple of times. Our side of the family doesn’t talk too much and when we do it feels like they aren’t telling us everything.

B: What do you think of the current Trump presidency? How did you experience the day that Trump got elected and realizing the political influence which Jared would gain?

M: I think the President is doing a great job but needs to continue to drain the swamp because the swamp is trying to stop him at every turn.

B: You mean the deep state?

M: Yes and the media and every other Washington Elite.

B: And a question about your answer on Jared, what are things in which you feel they don’t tell you everything?

M: They never seem to want to talk about how they are doing or what they’ve been up to lately. We don’t talk much so it’s kind of weird that they want to know everything about us but don’t really like to talk about what they are doing.

B: What do you think of Donald Trump? In what way is he better than say, Obama or Reagan?

M: Overall I think he is far superior than anyone else that could have been elected. I don’t know about Reagan but he could be better if he follows through. And I don’t know where to start with Obama.

B: And how do you think Jared influences his presidency?

M: I am not sure at this point because you can’t trust everything you hear these days. I think there is a greater threat of the spread of Islam right now and that needs to be handled first but I just hope they aren’t cozying up to the NWO. I think he’s trying to do what’s right but might be listening to the wrong people. I hope I’m wrong though.

B: How do you see the stance on Iran and the turn of Trump from supporting Assad to turning his back on him and following an anti-Assad policy?

M: It worried me a lot. But I still have a lot of hope for him. I’m glad he didn’t push it further. And I think he was under a lot of pressure and there are going to be times where he might have to cave in.

B: In your profile I see a background image with CNN is ISIS, what is it about?

M: That was a thing Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich did. They offered people money to get CNN=ISIS with a Kathy Griffin

Beheading pic on CNN. It’s not me. But it’s what’s so great about this movement. Our side has so much humor on it. They have absolutely none, and it’s because they are worried. I think our President is a guy you could come up with funny jokes about but they have absolutely no humor. Only hatred.

B: Yes, that’s what my next question is about: Do you consider yourself alt-right and what do you think of the movement? In your avatar you use the 👌 which is made popular by the icon of the alt-right, Richard Spencer.

M: I considered myself on the border of Alt right and Alt light maybe a little more on the Alt right side. For years I’ve thought their has been an AntiWhite agenda. And I am glad that people are starting to speak out against it.

B: And you think that’s correct? What is it what attracts you to the movement?

M: I think part of it is this crazy political correctness that they have tried to push on us for years. I’ve always been kind of Alt right even before I knew what Alt right was.

B: What made you think or go over the edge to get enough of political correctness and turn to the Alt right?

M: I think a lot of it was the fact that they wouldn’t even be politically correct about white people. They were letting people get away with wishing white genocide. I think they haven’t even fired that Drexel Univ. professor who tweeted that he wanted white genocide for Christmas. It just seems extremely hypocritical.

B: Some on boards like /pol/ say the Alt-right is controlled opposition, what do you think of that idea?

M: I’ve actually thought that myself at times. But I think there is a genuine movement that is going on. It’s a natural pushback of this craziness that they have slowly forced on us.

B: I assume you are jewish yourself too, in the jewish community there is a lot of resentment/dislike of the Alt-right, do you think that is correct? With too I mean like Jared. And if so, where does the dislike come from do you think?

M: I’m actually not Jewish. My father was a Christian and I’ve grown up my entire life Christian. But I think there is a misunderstanding between the two.

B: Oh ok, I thought so because Berkowitz is a Jewish name. What misunderstanding?

M: I think a lot of it is misguided. The resentment.

B: In what way?

M: I think that a lot of people in the Jewish community think there are crazy people out there that want to kill them because they are Jewish.

B: What’s your opinion on Israel?

M: I really don’t have too much to comment on Isreal. I have no clue who to trust on what’s going on in the Middle East. I know that it is this small country that is surrounded by a lot of much bigger Muslim countries but it seems to be doing just fine. Which kind of makes you wonder how that is possible. Given how vicious the Muslim doctrine is.

B: What do you think of the problem with the Palestinians?

M: Like I said with Israel, I don’t really know what to make of it. I am just hoping we can secure our own borders.

B: In the Netherlands there recently was a scandal with a top adviser of an anti-EU party tweeting about the Kalergi plan, a supposed conspiracy by the ideological founder of the EU to get rid of the white population in Europe. Do you believe such ideas should be brought forward more by anti-EU and anti-globalist parties, and if so, how?

M: Yes I do. I think that we need to continue to point out the fact that it’s weird we consider ourselves progressive people but still judge people and hold unnecessary resentment against others based on the color of our skin. I think the key is to keep pointing out these instances where Anti white propaganda is occuring.

B: In your profile it’s clear that you are anti-globalist. Do you see a future for anti-globalism? In recent elections the Front National in France only got 30-40% of the votes and in Europe the votes are mainly in favour of pro-EU parties.

M: Yes I see a future for it. Global interaction between nations is not a bad idea, but a one world government is a terrible idea. This will continue to grow until we take down the New World Order. I don’t know about Europe. Their press is a lot more biased than ours (if you could believe it).

B: Do you believe Kushner is fully behind Trump or is it more like loyalty instead of being convinced?

M: I think he is fully behind him but may have a lot of pressures on him to advise the President one way or another.

B: Because of his past in the Democratic Party and his many establishment contacts?

M: Yes.

B: And in what way are media in Europe more biased?

M: They are far more liberal and more loyal to the Elite. You can’t have a right leaning view or they will call you racist.

B: And this isn’t the case in the US?

M: We are close but not nearly as bad.

B: A bit more about Jared Kushner, you have met Jared a few times you said, he didn’t share much with you or your side of the family, but how was his appearance and his behaviour in person to you all?

M: We were both much younger. It was about 8-9 years ago, and once 15 years ago maybe more. He was nice but there were a lot of family members that I was meeting for the first time so I didn’t talk to him too much.

B: How did the family (both yours and the one of Jared) look at the Trump campaign and the uproar when he became president.

M: I expected it. I didn’t expect him to win though. I didn’t think they would even let him win. With all of the George Soros voting machine and fake ballots and registered dead Democrats I thought it wasn’t possible.

B: And how did your family stand in it?

M: We don’t really get too much grief over it. And I don’t know about the other side of the family.

B: Do you still recognize a lot in Jared in his public performances nowadays as in how you knew him back then? I mean, you didn’t really know him. But in how he looked to you back then in how he was and in his public performance nowadays?

M: He seems the same way. Confident but a little shy. Tough to face what he’s thinking about.

B: Do you know Ivanka Trump too?

M: No never met her. My mom wears her shoes all the time though, haha.

B: Haha. You suggest to make #FireJaredHireMike trending, what would you do differently? Wouldn’t your approach be much like Steve Bannon?

M: Yes my approach would be very similar to Steve Bannon’s but I would think of ways to reach across the aisle to the wacky left to try to bring them back to reality.

B: How would you do that?

M: I would try to do a better job of getting his message out and I would advise the President to do little things for Democrats that both Democrats and Republicans would like. I would do this at a time when the left becomes their most vicious so we can show them that they are on the side of hate. Kathy Griffin beheading video or times like that when the left shows their true colors.

B: Do you like Pepe the Frog?

M: I love Pepe. And I praise Kek everyday.

B: Do you see Pepe as influential in the Trump campaign and internet culture?

M: He was huge. And will live on forever.

B: Do you believe in meme magic? There was this whole fascinating yet humorous theory that Trump won the campaign due to a chaos frog God

M: I can definitely believe it.

B: Liberals have tried to adapt the idea of using internet memes, but have been highly unsuccesful, where as the right is gaining more influence with internet memes. What do you think is the reason that the left is failing where as the right is succeeding in this?

M: Complete lack of humor. We can be self deprecating, they can’t. The internet community is the way of the future. Eventually cable will die. They need to Praise Kek and get with the picture.

B: The Dutch Euro-sceptic MP and leader of anti-EU party Forum for Democracy compared the EU to the Roman Empire and the migration of foreign refugees to the non-Romans in the empire back then, do you think the EU could be compared to the Roman Empire?

M: I think that they are much worse than the Roman Empire but I could see that as a comparison. I’ve also heard the US compared to the Roman Empire and the fall of the Roman Empire as a prediction to the fall of the US. People like to make comparisons with everything.

B: Do you think America is heading to become a Roman Empire? With the immigration, or do you think Trump can stop it?

M: I thought that until Trump became President because he can stop it and can stop the massive immigration into the US. The biggest comparison of the fall of Rome and the alleged fall of the US is how pedophilia ran rampant through the political class. I think if we can root out that evil then the US will be fine.

B: In what way did pedophilia ran rampant through the political class? You mean the scandals in the Republican Party in the past or the rumours about the Democratic Party?

M: All of it. Not just the political class but it ties to Hollywood as well. There is a huge child trafficking operation going on and for the most part it is kept secret. It goes back to even the days of Shirley Temple and much further than that.

B: Are you referring to pizzagate coming up during the Trump campaign? Are you worried that Jared might indirectly be involved in it if it is there, like having to cover up for people?

M: Yes but it goes much deeper than pizzagate. I don’t know if he is directly involved in a cover up and I sure hope not but it runs so deep that it is going to be hard to divulge that kind of information to the public even if they wanted to. I hope they do the right thing and expose it.

B: Within the pizzagate movement there are people who believe Donald Trump is trying to expose this alleged pedophile ring, but is hold back by the Deep State. What are your thoughts on this?

M: I think that is a very real possibility. I think one of the biggest reasons that they were unmasked Michael Flynn was because his son was openly talking about pizzagate.

B: Wasn’t that the guy who was fired from the campaign team of Trump?

M: Yes. His son Michael Flynn Jr was very vocal against pizzagate. Michael Flynn’s dad was Trumps 1st Nat Security adviser.

B: Do you follow pizzagate and other supposed pedophile scandals?

M: Yes. I am located in LA and there were a couple of big busts after Trump became President where they caught hundreds of pedophiles. Those are mainly people that are lower in the totem pole but it was still a good sign that Trump was going to help weed it out. I think that uniting against pedophilia is something that can unite both sides.

B: But it sounds very unreal for many people though and the most heard argument of critics is that there is no direct evidence.

M: And that’s why you have to approach those people with its a theory. I mean I have done thousands of hours of research on it to know that there is a very good chance that it is true but you have to get that criticize it to have a little bit of skepticism. I think the strangest thing to me is that when the main stream media would mention pizzagate or would have James Alefantis, the owner of one of the pizza parlors that serves as an alleged front for child trafficking, they would never mention why people think that way. They never mention the weird “coincidences”.

B: But isn’t it all too weird to be true? I mean, an elite sacrificing babies or almost the whole political class abusing children? We have this case of a political top figure in the Netherlands, Joris Demmink, with accusations of pedophilia with children in Turkey, but that’s one isolated case. For many people it sounds very unrealistic that almost everyone in the political system is like that.

M: It’s not everyone but I believe most people have some type of skeleton in their closet that prevents them from speaking up about it. It sounds extremely weird but if the only argument that it isn’t happening is that it sounds strange well that doesn’t seem like a valid enough argument. Our entire history as a human species is weird and strange and the entire existence of this universe is weird and strange. People are so willing to not question the mainstream understanding of things but will be skeptical of anything new that is presented.

B: But there is a risk in what is not mainstream though, I mean, many people in the alternative media scene are divided on David Icke. Some believe him, but others think he is talking bullshit.

M: There is definitely a risk and there are so many different theories out there. The important thing is to have skepticism about everything and to always have an open mind. Nothing is set in stone and we are still trying to figure out many of life’s greatest mysteries so it’s important not to dismiss anything that can’t be disproven.

B: Do you believe the mainstream media are increasingly bringing a perspective from alternative media like Paul Joseph Watson and Molyneux? Or were they more open to alternative perspectives in the past?

M: I think the amount of alternative media is definitely increasing. I mean Cable is a very outdated model and the monopoly that the globalists have created with it is one of the only reasons it is being kept alive. You can stream just about any program on the internet nowadays and I believe that Sports and News were the only things that were helping cable keep their advantage. Now that it is coming out how the mainstream media is corrupt and completely biased real news, people are moving away from cable. Sports will be the next to go and with more and more online streaming capabilities it appears that may happen sooner than I originally thought.

B: Will internet censorship increase with an increase of alternative media and in what way? I mean, we can see Facebook fact-checking for fake news, but do you think they might use it in a corrupted way to for example surpress news about incidents with refugees?

M: Yes and they have already started to suppress that stuff on the internet. Like you said, Facebook is doing that with their fake news fact checker and they are doing that with Google by having Snopes Fact checker appear to try to deny everything. It will definitely be an uphill battle but I think if we stay ahead of the curve and always find ways to communicate with each other like many are doing with stuff like 4chan and reddit (until they started censoring) then we will be alright.

B: On Twitter rumours appeared with the #WhoKilledSethRich hashtag that Twitter modified a post of Seth on Reddit in which he included his e-mail I believe.

M: We also need to start sueing big corporations on the basis that they are violating our 1st amendment rights by censoring our speech. Private platforms may have a right to select what is said on their platform but when a company like Facebook or Twitter hits a certain market percentage then they move away from being considered a private platform. Seth Rich’s murder should be investigated regardless of what you think happened to him. The facts don’t add up. I talked earlier about staying ahead of the curve in terms of communication. I have been educating others on subjects like Seth Richs mysterious murder and the pizzagate/pedogate conspiracies by talking to others on online gaming forums or even by writing it on money. Any form of communication can help spread news and keep it from being suppressed.

B: I think we are reaching the end of the interview. Do you consider politicians like Geert Wilders and Donald Trump to be more honest because of their outsider position? Do you think they represent the real news? I mean, if we look at Trump supporters we can see that despite the low popularity of Donald Trump they are very loyal to him and remain so, because they keep seeing him as the man who does what he said. He is criticized for claiming to not be part of the establishment while being a billionaire though.

M: I definitely think they are considered more trustworthy because of their outsider position. If you look at anyone that is an insider. Most likely they have been in the same spot for the last 30 years. I think that there will be more candidates like them in the future. I didn’t know what to expect with Donald Trump when we were in the Republican primaries but as time has progressed he has felt genuine to his promises to the American people. For the first time in a while I feel like a politician actually wants to do the best thing for the American people instead of lining their own pockets with bribes.

B: Do you think Jared might be able to change the current course of the white House?

M: No, I don’t think he will be able to change it on his own.

B: Do you think Jared is not approachable in his views?

M: What do you mean?

B: I mean, do you think that it is difficult for people to influence him, or is he willing to listen to different views? Just like how he ideologically changed in a drastic way after being a Democrat for years.

M: From what I have heard he has a certain susceptibility to be influenced but he seemed like someone who was pretty resolute in his own ideas both times I met him so I’m not sure.

B: What was your impression of his ideas at the time you met him?

M: He was confident but shy. He was very quiet but seemed like he was taking everything in. He seemed like his mind was in another place but also like he was trying to observe everything.

B: So a very deep thinking man, it sounds like?

M: Yes exactly. Someone who you don’t know what exactly is going through their mind.

B: What was your impression of how he went along with other members of the family?

M: He was very loyal and obedient to his family from what I could tell.

B: Do you think he shows these characteristics towards Donald Trump too?

M: Yes. I just don’t know if he’d side with him over his own family.

B: There were also rumours that there was a clash with Steve Bannon and they had a heavy battle in words, what do you think made this clash happen? He had become very Republican.

M: I think it was due to their approach with the deep state and globalists. Jared has much more of an appeasement policy whereas Bannon wants to take them head on.

B: Some said Jared increasingly took the place of Bannon, which might also represent the ideological shift and the shift in approach of Donald Trump. Do you think Jared is capable of an improvement of the policies and promises of Trump and how they are fulfilled?

M: Not exactly. I side more with Bannon on stuff like that.

B: At the times you met him, did certain subjects have a preference for Jared in conversations?

M: Not that I could tell. We really only talked mainly about my family and what I have been up to.

B: But he didn’t really share anything on himself or show his political ambitions in conversation?

M: Not really. He was a pretty quiet person.

B: Have you seen the Netherlands Second video?

M: No I have not.

B: It was a video by a Dutch satirical show of Arjen Lubach, it was directed to president Trump as a question to his America First.

M: I will have to check it out.

B: When the Dutch politician Geert Wilders visited Ground Zero, he made the news when saying “No mosque here”. Do you believe just like him that closing mosques would be a solution to islamic terrorism?

M: I believe a lot more needs to be done than that but mosques have been a major recruiting ground for Islamic terrorism so it’s not a terrible place to start.

B: The second last question: How does your family view Jared?

M: They all don’t have a strong opinion on him. They want to see him do well but like me kind of side with Bannon on a lot of stuff.

B: And finally, is there anything you’d like to say to Jared?

M: Don’t listen to what anyone else is trying to tell you. Do what’s best for everyone and prove your loyalty by helping expose the deep state, NWO, Zionists, Satanists, and everyone else that is trying to control the US government and the rest of the human race.

B: Ok, thank you for this interview and sharing your alternative views with us Mike.

M: No problem. Thank you for the interview.