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Most important part of the entire post as well... too many people will be posting issues without read this. Everypne SHOULD save the original bios through GPU-Z before updating.

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After applying the BIOS it is recommended to test for stability, a small number of cards may not be compatible with this update. Use a 3D application or game and watch for any visual abnormalities or game crashes, if this occurs please contact our support at 888-880-3842 or support@evga.com so we can assist you. As a reminder this BIOS update is OPTIONAL.

Thanks Jacob. I guess that answers the question if EVGA will be selling the 11gbps version. A bios update is much cheaper lol.Most important part of the entire post as well... too many people will be posting issues without read this. Everypne SHOULD save the original bios through GPU-Z before updating.

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now permalink) Forum post will be updated with original BIOS shortly if you need to flash back for any reason.



EDIT: Original BIOS's are now in top post. If need to flash back for any reason use the above links.





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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now permalink) EVGA_JacobF

Forum post will be updated with original BIOS shortly if you need to flash back for any reason.





Again, thank you. That would be awesome just in case. Again, thank you. That would be awesome just in case.

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6686 is 1080 FTW2

6684 is 1080 FTW2 DT

6583 is 1080 SC2

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post edited by cloiselle1 - I will be testing this out this morning, I'll chart averaged runs over a few top benchmarks and games to see what this does performance wise. I'll try to post these results later this evening if I can. #7

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Ribbons : 0 Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now permalink) So this begs the question. Do the current 1080 FTW2 iCX cards already have the improved 11Gbps GDDR5X chips? Or is this BIOS update just pushing the old 10 Gbps GDDR5X chips to their limits?



In other words, do my 1080 FTW2 iCX RAM chips have even more headroom? Or are we taking 10Gbps RAM and just overclocking it to it's max with the BIOS update?



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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now permalink) jsallen77

So this begs the question. Do the current 1080 FTW2 iCX cards already have the improved 11Gbps GDDR5X chips? Or is this BIOS update just pushing the old 10 Gbps GDDR5X chips to their limits?



In other words, do my 1080 FTW2 iCX RAM chips have even more headroom? Or are we taking 10Gbps RAM and just overclocking it to it's max with the BIOS update?





I bet its just like you say and they are just OCing the 10Gbps GDDR5X cause the new GDDR5X on 1080ti and titan Xp is 2nd Gen

I bet its just like you say and they are just OCing the 10Gbps GDDR5X cause the new GDDR5X on 1080ti and titan Xp is 2nd Gen #9

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it's literally a reflash of the bios to make the old, 10000 gbps chips run at 11, it's kinda worrying because these modules actually saturate at certain speeds and DO NOT offer better performance or scores because of the noise created in the throughput............ That's why specific 11g modules exist, they were designed to counter this behavior at higher frequencies.





Exactly the reason I'm asking. However, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the FTW2 cards got these new RAM chips. These cards were produced around the same time the new GDDR5X chips would have been available. Maybe eVGA wanted to go ahead and outfit these iCX cards with better memory, but couldn't announce it until nVidia made the official announcement. Now that it's out in the open, they conveniently release a BIOS update that unlocks that hidden potential.



Either way, I'll be flashing and testing this all weekend. =)

Exactly the reason I'm asking. However, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the FTW2 cards got these new RAM chips. These cards were produced around the same time the new GDDR5X chips would have been available. Maybe eVGA wanted to go ahead and outfit these iCX cards with better memory, but couldn't announce it until nVidia made the official announcement. Now that it's out in the open, they conveniently release a BIOS update that unlocks that hidden potential.Either way, I'll be flashing and testing this all weekend. =)

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Re: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW2 and SC2 – OPTIONAL 11GHz BIOS Update Available Now permalink) cloiselle1

it's literally a reflash of the bios to make the old, 10000 gbps chips run at 11, it's kinda worrying because these modules actually saturate at certain speeds and DO NOT offer better performance or scores because of the noise created in the throughput............ That's why specific 11g modules exist, they were designed to counter this behavior at higher frequencies.





here is the proof look at the model # of the mem on these PCBs the 1080 FTW and 1080 FTW2 both have same model # the 1080ti has totally different #

GTX 1080 FTW









GTX 1080 FTW2





GTX 1080ti



here is the proof look at the model # of the mem on these PCBs the 1080 FTW and 1080 FTW2 both have same model # the 1080ti has totally different #GTX 1080 FTWGTX 1080 FTW2GTX 1080ti #12

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it's literally a reflash of the bios to make the old, 10000 gbps chips run at 11, it's kinda worrying because these modules actually saturate at certain speeds and DO NOT offer better performance or scores because of the noise created in the throughput............ That's why specific 11g modules exist, they were designed to counter this behavior at higher frequencies.





Exactly the reason I'm asking. However, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the FTW2 cards got these new RAM chips. These cards were produced around the same time the new GDDR5X chips would have been available. Maybe eVGA wanted to go ahead and outfit these iCX cards with better memory, but couldn't announce it until nVidia made the official announcement. Now that it's out in the open, they conveniently release a BIOS update that unlocks that hidden potential.



Either way, I'll be flashing and testing this all weekend. =)







Sadly no, these are the old chips the 2nd revision is a totally different model.



I'd say this to anyone potentially looking at flashing, benchmark several runs and average them out at different memory oc's. if you start seeing a certain decline in performance at a certain point, you'll know whether or not it's worth your time.



I've seen FTW2's that actually lose performance at as little as +200 total mem, others that are good up to 800 or so.... Mine loses performance at 400, Curious if this bios revision changes anything else to help potential...

Sadly no, these are the old chips the 2nd revision is a totally different model.I'd say this to anyone potentially looking at flashing, benchmark several runs and average them out at different memory oc's. if you start seeing a certain decline in performance at a certain point, you'll know whether or not it's worth your time.I've seen FTW2's that actually lose performance at as little as +200 total mem, others that are good up to 800 or so.... Mine loses performance at 400, Curious if this bios revision changes anything else to help potential... #13

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because the new 1080 comes with native 11gbps 1.35v vram chip...



unless the ftw2 and sc2 are using native 11gbps 1.35v vram chip, which is disgusting to all ftw1 sc1 buyers

post edited by evgauser28764 - it is stupid to flash your native 10gbps 1.35v vram chip on your old 1080 to new 11gbps bios.because the new 1080 comes with native 11gbps 1.35v vram chip...unless the ftw2 and sc2 are using native 11gbps 1.35v vram chip, which is disgusting to all ftw1 sc1 buyers #14

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post edited by RKarov - Well the fact that there will be some cards that won't be stable at this new memory speeds probably means no, EVGA should have have released a new version with the new memory to avoid these issues. I was able to overclock my GTX 1080 FTW ACX memory to 11gbs but I did not dare to test it in games for obvious reasons. I got one last July so it may die early do to a faulty VRMs, I did do the bios and thermal pads fix though. Perhaps I should pay for an ICX upgrade for the extra cooling and this new 11gbs memory, plus the option to step up to a Ti? #17

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Since they only made this BIOS update available to the iCX cards, they must have different memory chips. Otherwise they would release a similar BIOS update for all the other 1080s in the line. Why are the iCX cards the only ones to get the bump in speed if all the other 1080s have the same RAM chips?



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Well the fact that there will be some cards that won't be stable at this new memory speeds probably means no, EVGA should have have released a new version with the new memory to avoid these issues. I was able to overclock my GTX 1080 FTW ACX memory to 11gbs but I did not dare to test it in games for obvious reasons. I got one last July so it may die early do to a faulty VRMs, I did do the bios and thermal pads fix though. Perhaps I should pay for an ICX upgrade for the extra cooling and this new 11gbs memory, plus the option to step up to a Ti?





indeed almost all old 1080s with native 1.35v 10gbps gddr5x micron vram chip can overclock to 11gpbs.

but the new 1080 now comes with 11gbps 1.35v native vram chip, which means (and shown by guru3d latest review) these new 1080 vram can further oc to 12gpbs which your old 1080 can never be achieved to such high level.

indeed almost all old 1080s with native 1.35v 10gbps gddr5x micron vram chip can overclock to 11gpbs.but the new 1080 now comes with 11gbps 1.35v native vram chip, which means (and shown by guru3d latest review) these new 1080 vram can further oc to 12gpbs which your old 1080 can never be achieved to such high level. #20

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Here's another thought.



Since they only made this BIOS update available to the iCX cards, they must have different memory chips. Otherwise they would release a similar BIOS update for all the other 1080s in the line. Why are the iCX cards the only ones to get the bump in speed if all the other 1080s have the same RAM chips?





that may imply evga has been using new micron 11gbps native vram chip on icx...

that may imply evga has been using new micron 11gbps native vram chip on icx... #21

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Before/after test result on Superposition, 1080P High Setting, 1080 FTW2. Also added to OP.







would you mind to clarify why only sc2 and ftw2 are available in this bios update?

would you mind to clarify why only sc2 and ftw2 are available in this bios update? #23

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Here's another thought.



Since they only made this BIOS update available to the iCX cards, they must have different memory chips. Otherwise they would release a similar BIOS update for all the other 1080s in the line. Why are the iCX cards the only ones to get the bump in speed if all the other 1080s have the same RAM chips?





that may imply evga has been using new micron 11gbps native vram chip on icx...





they are not Google the PCB of each card they have different model #s on the mem 1080 ftw and ftw2 both have same memory 1080ti and titan Xp have 2nd Gen GDDR5X which are different model #



they are not Google the PCB of each card they have different model #s on the mem 1080 ftw and ftw2 both have same memory 1080ti and titan Xp have 2nd Gen GDDR5X which are different model # #24

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Before/after test result on Superposition, 1080P High Setting, 1080 FTW2. Also added to OP.







would you mind to clarify why only sc2 and ftw2 are available in this bios update?





for 1 they have better cooling of the mem dont you remember the big reason they made the ICX

for 1 they have better cooling of the mem dont you remember the big reason they made the ICX #25

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Before/after test result on Superposition, 1080P High Setting, 1080 FTW2. Also added to OP.







would you mind to clarify why only sc2 and ftw2 are available in this bios update?





for 1 they have better cooling of the mem dont you remember the big reason they made the ICX





as far as i know, evga has never admitted their responsibilty on the vram thermal pad thickness issue

as far as i know, evga has never admitted their responsibilty on the vram thermal pad thickness issue #27

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Here's another thought.



Since they only made this BIOS update available to the iCX cards, they must have different memory chips. Otherwise they would release a similar BIOS update for all the other 1080s in the line. Why are the iCX cards the only ones to get the bump in speed if all the other 1080s have the same RAM chips?





that may imply evga has been using new micron 11gbps native vram chip on icx...





they are not Google the PCB of each card they have different model #s on the mem 1080 ftw and ftw2 both have same memory 1080ti and titan Xp have 2nd Gen GDDR5X which are different model #







i didnt follow this, could you show me some photos or reviews' links?



no, 1080ti is using native 11gbps vram chip while TTXp are using 12g native vram chip

i didnt follow this, could you show me some photos or reviews' links?no, 1080ti is using native 11gbps vram chip while TTXp are using 12g native vram chip #28

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Before/after test result on Superposition, 1080P High Setting, 1080 FTW2. Also added to OP.







would you mind to clarify why only sc2 and ftw2 are available in this bios update?





for 1 they have better cooling of the mem dont you remember the big reason they made the ICX





as far as i know, evga has never admitted their responsibilty on the vram thermal pad thickness issue



I'm sure you're juust confused.

EVGA did accept responsibility for the high vrm temps. Even to the point of offering a free RMA to apply the thermal pads. They did confirm that the temps were still within margin of operation but decided to offer a way to reduce them anyway. They then went and accelerated the development of iCX system to prevent future high temps of the VRM and Memory. I'm sure you're juust confused.EVGA did accept responsibility for the high vrm temps. Even to the point of offering a free RMA to apply the thermal pads. They did confirm that the temps were still within margin of operation but decided to offer a way to reduce them anyway. They then went and accelerated the development of iCX system to prevent future high temps of the VRM and Memory.



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