Discussion and Debate

The comprehensive summary below was produced by a team of researchers on the Above Top Secret (ATS) Forum. It constitutes an excellent debate on the major issues. For those unfamiliar with internet forums, the names of those posting various comments and messages are all "usernames", i.e. nicknames given to protect the identities of those concerned. Some of those sound a little strange! But each one of these is a real person.



A note about ATS Bill Ryan was invited on to the ATS Forum on 15 December 2005 (see below), and was warmly welcomed. After 21 December (post #11), there was a long gap until 24 January when post #12 was received by Bill Ryan. Subsequent to this new development, the mood gradually turned nasty and he received heavy personal criticism, being accused by many of hoaxing the release [not so! BR] . He left the ATS forum on 6 February and joined a new forum which can be found here:



http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=projectserpo



Anyone is welcome to visit this site and either read the comments and ongoing debate (in which Bill Ryan regularly contributes), or post messages, comments and questions as they wish.



The team of researchers:



Centrist

Zep Tepi

Serpentime

rdube02

sdrumrunner

jonke05

Hal9000



Introduction



Welcome to Serpo. In order to make your stay on Serpo a safe and enjoyable one, your tour guides ask you to fasten your seatbelts, return your tray tables to their upright and locked positions, and "suspend disbelief" in the overheard compartment above you. Once underway, we ask that you consider the following information in its entirety, and in light of all of the reasonable theories, when coming to your own interpretation. Only then will you be able to make an informed decision on whether this is the beginning of authentic disclosure, a prank, a hoax, a disinformation campaign, or perhaps something else. If there is one lesson that you will learn, as you take our tour, there are no shortage of theories. What we are lacking is any sort of credible proof that Serpo is anything more than the musings of one or more pranksters that have managed to acquire the attention of what seems to be the entire internet discussion on extraterrestrials.



We set the stage in the waning days of November, 2005. Late one night, a post appeared.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185069/pg1



on the ATS Aliens & UFO forum bringing Serpo to the attention of ATS members and readers. But oddly, it turns out that this wasn't the first post about Serpo.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185005/pg1



This post turns out to be the first mention of Serpo - just a few hours earlier, but appears to have been consumed by the later-founded thread. Even more curious is that "thirty3" made that one and only post on ATS... never to return. So with our first of many mysteries under our belt, we give you Serpo.



Initial Contact



UFO Crashes



Anonymous grabs your attention immediately by stating the UFO crash at Roswell did occur, but "not like the story books tell", so right from the start, Anon is both confirming and contradicting existing theories.



Link to Anon's first post



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#1



Link to ATS research post on Roswell



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=142871



Links to the ATS discussion thread posts on the UFO Crash.



robertfenix on the crash



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858927



Valhall on the crash



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859261



Gazrok on the crash



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1866888



onlyinmydreams on the crash



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1872989



robertfenix on the crash



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1894718



EBEs and J-rod



Anonymous claims there were alien bodies recovered at the UFO crash site along with one survivor. The Extraterrestrial Biological Entity (EBE) was allowed to send a message back to his planet and communications between Earth and the Ebens (name derived from EBE) were established. Initial contact was made when the Ebens landed in 1964, and eventually an exchange program was planned.



The purported exchange involved several EBE's coming to Earth to work with scientists, and the question of J-rod was brought up, but for some reason Anonymous said that information was still classified.



Link to Anon's 11th post



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#11



Richard Doty's account of EBE-2 posted on the Serpo website



http://www.serpo.org/consistencies.html



Linda Moulton Howe's Article on J-rod and Dan Burisch



http://www.boomspeed.com/joseph2/J-Rod.htm



http://www.boomspeed.com/joseph2/J-Rod2.htm



A brief history of EBEs and Players involved



http://www.think-aboutit.com/aliens/ebe.htm



Links to the ATS discussion thread posts on EBEs and J-rod



Valhall on Linda Moulton Howe



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858551



Obscure on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1873452



Hal9000 on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1875352



Denied on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898251



robertfenix on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898606



WHOFLUNGGUM on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898925



Bill Ryan on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1906448



Centrist on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1906520



Unplugged on Early image of Christ



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1906822



enhancedesign on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1917704



onlyinmydreams on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918202



Hal9000 on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918327



John Carter on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918422



Serpentime's new thread on EBE pictures



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1917722



onlyinmydreams on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918698



onlyinmydreams on Travis Walton's description of EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918713



Hal9000 on EBEs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1919201



Centrist on J-rod



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1919545



TheShroudOfMemphis on EBE Crop Circle



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1920541



Language and Communications



Throughout the Serpo story there were several descriptions of difficulty with communicating with the Eben's. They used translation devices and there were team members and EBE's who were able to learn each other's language and they functioned as the translators.



Links from Serpo.org - Anon's posts



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#1



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#6



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#8



Links to ATS discussion thread posts



Mythatsabigprobe on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858880



Valhall's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858901



Valhall on language



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859551



robertfenix's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859571



ZeddicusZulZorander on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1861047



onlyinmydreams on language



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862105



onlyinmydreams on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862383



Zep Tepi on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926252



WHOFLUNGGUM on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926608



Freenrgy2's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926800



Zep Tepi on communication



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1927250



jtma508's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1927345



The Exchange Program



The Team Members



The purported exchange program consisted of sending twelve US military personnel to the planet Serpo of the Zeta Reticuli star system, beginning in the year 1965 and returning in 1978. Two of the members had died while on the planet, and 2 had stayed on Serpo when the project ended. Eight of the original twelve returned to Earth.



Later a list was made of the team members that went by code names instead of using their real names. The codes were three digit numbers that designated the position that that member served. Later it was discovered in the journal entries that member 308 had died during the trip, and there appeared to be a thirteenth member.



The first post by Anonymous and confirmation by Gene Loscowski and Paul McGovern



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#1



Links from Serpo.org - Anon's posts



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#1



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#8



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#9



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#10



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#14



Links to ATS discussion thread posts



Valhall on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1860331



robertfenix's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1860371



Valhall's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1860471



Onlyinmydreams on team members (list)



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898795



Netchicken on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1933868



Centrist's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1933889



DeuceCyrenne on the death of 308



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965523



Jeddyhi on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966940



Arm Of Geddon on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1968576



gingerlad on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1974988



OCD DETECTIVE on the 13th team member



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1975297



Jedi_Master on the 13th team member



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1976913



Alpha Grey on team members



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1978146



Bill Ryan with team member list from Anon



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1983392



garyo1954 on team member list



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1983458



Jeddyhi on 102 team commander



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1984149



Team Materials and Equipment



The exchange team was allowed to take materials for the trip that consisted of food and equipment. Originally Anon stated that they took 9,000 lbs. of materials, but later corrected that weight to 90,500lbs. Later in a journal entry, the materials were described to arrive on 16 pallets and this brought up a debate on pallet weight restrictions.



Links to Serpo website - Anon's posts



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#5



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#8



Links to ATS discussion thread posts



Torbjon on equipment



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898935



Thain Esh Kelch's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899156



Torbjon on equipment



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899392



enhancedesign on equipment



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899648



Torbjon on equipment



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1900106



Torbjon on C-rations



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1901424



Torbjon on tangents



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1902791



Jedi_Master on calculators



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947383



SkepticOverlord reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947397



Jedi_Master on microscopes



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947755



sdrumrunner's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947906



sdrumrunner



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948380



torbjon on C-rations



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948717



Jedi_Master's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948753



sdrumrunner



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948805



Jedi_Master's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948830



longhaircowboy's reply



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1948931



robertfenix on pallets



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965594



Jedi_Master on slide rule



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965684



Centrist on pallets



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965942



enhancedesign on pallets



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966010



torbjon



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1981739



The Trip and the Effects of Faster Than Light Travel



The trip supposedly took 9 months to travel 39.5 light years, and the team members suffered from nausea and dizziness during the trip. They lost track of time immediately after leaving Earth, and could not keep track of the days. They also came to the conclusion that the laws of physics did not appear to follow the same laws as they do on Earth. Eventually the team members gave up trying to track Earth time and continued using Eben time.



From Serpo.org website - describing the impact on the Team of the flight:



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#2



Journal entry - Day 1 - Entry 2 describing impact of the flight:



Journal entry - Day 2 describing impact of the flight:



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#11



Anon's 12th post describing effects of trip:



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#12



The Journal Entries



On December 6, 2005 Bill Ryan made an appearance on the radio show Coast to Coast with George Noory, and talked about Project Serpo. After the show, Anonymous posted again saying he was pleased with the show and then made the promise of more disclosure including journal entries from a team member and the now infamous, but totally invisible, photographs. He did come through by posting the journal entries of the team commander, but no photographs have ever been posted.



Anon's tenth post about the journals and photographs



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#10a



Anon's eleventh post containing the journal entries



http://www.serpo.org/information.html#11



Links to ATS discussion thread posts



First posting by Bill revealing the journal entry.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1898204



A few postings by members, though skeptic, make valid points.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1949548



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1926166



Posted by celticniall



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1896296



Posted by Bill Ryan



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898204



Posted by englishman100



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898464



Posted by robertfenix



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898606



Posted by WHOFLUNGGUM



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898793



Posted by torbjon



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898935



Posted by torbjon



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899078



Posted by akabigfoot



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899238



Posted by onlyinmydreams



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899463



Posted by torbjon



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899567



Posted by robertfenix



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899638



Later Journal Entries



While everyone was waiting for the photographs to be posted, it apparently looked like Anon had stopped (or was stopped) posting new information. As time went on, many thought that the Serpo story was a hoax and the game was over. Then after a month of waiting, new information was received by Bill Ryan, instead of by Victor Martinez. The new information was more journal entries that continued after the previous entries, as if nothing had happened. The problem though is the entries seemed to be written in a different style, and they looked like they could be from a different source. In addition, it was clear that the ATS forum had become Bill's center of attention as the new Anonymous post appeared within the ATS thread, and only later did this appear on Bill's Serpo.org website.



Bill Ryan's announcement to the ATS thread that "the game" had changed and there was a new posting from Anonymous



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965391



Posted by KDX175DUEX



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965597



Posted by Zep Tepi



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965645



Posted by Spiderj



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965715



Posted by Bill Ryan



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965731



Posted by robertfenix



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965758



Posted by Bill Ryan



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965807



Posted by Centrist



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965942



Posted by enhancedesign



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966010



Posted by Jeddyhi



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966174



Posted by SkepticOverlord



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966184



Posted by Bill Ryan



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966302



Posted by Shawnna



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966310



Posted by simon_alex0327



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966374



Posted by Bill Ryan



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966405



Posted by Shawnna



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966418



Posted by Hal9000



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966902



Posted by Jeddyhi



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966940



Posted by rdube02



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1967027



Posted by Sanctum1972



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1967201



The Ebens



Lifestyle



The Ebens on the planet led a simple life, living in huts and each of them attending to assigned duties. They apparently had a very simple form of government, and had very little crime.



Information on Serpo.org indicates they communicate with each other through thought, but create a high-pitched sound hard for some to handle, although the sounds were eventually understood by everyone on the team.



http://serpo.org/information.html



http://serpo.org/information.html#2



ATS comments regarding Eben society



saint4God notes how much the society sounds like socialism:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858851



robertfenix and many others noted some inconsistencies between the technological level of the society compared with the living standards:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858927



Valhall and others also noted that in some societies higher technical achievement may not result in a "jetson" lifestyle



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859261



atsguy notes the strangeness of a society where the schedules are governed for you



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859407



The ShroudOfMemphis points out that this type of society could be their way of maintaining order



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859455



sexymon discusses advanced evolution effect on time and basic living needs



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887880



onlyinmydreams reflects on the age of civilized Eben society



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1891641



John Carter relates The Sirius Mystery novel to Serpo society



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1907271



John Carter discusses Eben biology



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1916652



sdrumrunner points out how ebens could have adobe "huts" and still be advanced



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1953182



Space Flight Capability



The Ebens had mastered Faster Than Light (FTL) space travel and have been visiting Earth for two thousand years. They apparently had different types of craft, and they transferred to a very large ship for the trip to Serpo.



http://serpo.org/information.html#11



ATS comments regarding the Ebens space flight capability:



robertfenix points out the apparent lack of docking station for such a huge ship:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859529



BRCMontana notes how Ebens must have mastered space-time compression technique



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862727



Centrist puts forth the Cherenkov Effect as an explanation for faster-than-light space travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862816



Many posters, such as Hal9000, questioned how the Ebens could get around the theory of relativity in space travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1867047



robertfenix notes that Ebens would have needed unit of time non-sun based to travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1865699



shadoflux makes note that at light speed time behaves differently



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1866310



robertfenix discusses the Zamora incident & spacecraft



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1872885



Centrist notes how Ebens might measure the flow of time as opposed to increments of time



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1873007



boogie discusses the effect of space flight near planetary systems



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887439



onlyinmydreams discusses the size of the mothership



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898734



thain esh kelch notes the normal gravity on the mothership



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898960



torbjon comments on the cargo load



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1899392



celticniall discusses mothership descriptions



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926166



ATSguy comments on magnetic field created by interstellar travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1930792



Eben Time



From Serpo.org - Ebens do not keep time in the same way we do on earth (see comments above in lifestyle). Many at ATS have come to the conclusion that they do not deal with time in increments, but rather comprehend time as "flowing" and as an order of events - leading to a very structured and ordered social system which many have likened to socialism, or even communism.



See Comment 2 by Paul McGovern at:



http://serpo.org/information.html



ATS Comments on Eben time



Centrist recognizes first discrepancies regarding eben time



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1857452



Valhall responds with explanations of this discrepancy



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858428



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858461



TheShroudofMemphis gives a theory of why Ebens may have a different time system



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1859353



onlyinmydreams also points out why Ebens different sense of time isn't an inconsistency



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862105



enhancedesign also notes how a different culture could have a different concept of time



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862429



Centrist describes the theoretical concept of time flow vs time increments



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1878194



Hemetae introduces the idea of belt devices ebens use as form of time keeping



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1888608



AmoebaSized discusses Eben time vs. Earth time



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1906706



Centrist theorizes regarding how Ebens might not keep "time" at all - but instead keep "order"



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1911234



The War



From Serpo.org - "The Ebens had a great interplanetary battle with another race about 3,000 years ago. The Ebens lost many thousands in their battle. The Ebens completely eliminated all of their enemies. The Ebens have never fought another war since."



"The Great War" lasted 100 earth-years and used particle-beam weapons. Ebens destroyed the enemy planet.



http://serpo.org/information.html#4



http://serpo.org/information.html#5



ATS Comments on the Eben War



Hal9000 brings up discrepancy between space travel capability and war



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1888951



Centrist points out local war might not have required interstellar travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1888981



Hal9000 makes more observations regarding discrepancy between the war and interstellar travel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1907717



Bill Ryan notes discrepancies with Eben timeline as well



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1910955



enhanced design notes how war might have slowed Eben interstellar travel exploits



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1911194



Unplugged makes some observations regarding Eben war



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1920198



Hal9000 responds to the observations



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1920368



AmoebaSized makes a few more comments regarding the Eben war



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1955052



The Zeta Reticuli star system



Interstellar Space Flight



Travel Time



Serpo Data: According to Postings 2 and 11, it took approximately nine months to travel to the Eben planet, located within the Zeta Reticuli Star System.



http://serpo.org/information.html#2



http://serpo.org/information.html#11



Zeta Reticuli 1 (ZR1) and 2 (ZR2) are each over 39 light years from Earth (39.51 and 39.38 observed, respectively). Therefore, to complete such travel in the reported time would require a mastery of Faster-than-Light (FTL) travel. Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, based on the Lorentz Transform, implies that in order for a (non-zero mass) object to reach c the speed of light (in a vacuum), an object must either accelerate for an infinite period of time or experience an infinite amount of acceleration over a finite period of time. Either scenario would require an infinite (i.e., non-quantifiable) amount of energy. However, there exist more than one scenario to support the theoretical possibility of FTL travel.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_transformations



Possible Explanations: There are several theoretical explanations which could allow for FTL travel. Remember that c refers to the speed of light in a vacuum. A brief synopsis may be found at:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster_than_light



Some additional possibilities as they apply to the Serpo story may be found below:



Heim's Quantum Theory



Of recent note is a paper which won a 2005 AIAA award for best paper in the Nuclear and Future Flight category. The paper, entitled Heim Quantum Theory of Space Propulsion Physics, is rooted in eight-dimensional quantum mechanics and would allow for Hyperspace travel at a rate of approximately 7.27 days per light year. Consequently, a trip to Zeta Reticuli would take approximately 287 days - less than three weeks difference from the time required as per the Serpo story.



While unproven and purely theoretical, this paper has received attention from the US Government, including the USAF, NASA, and Sandia National Laboratories.



http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/"Hyperspace_drive"_paper_gains_interest,_AIAA_award



http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18925331.200



String Theory



According to a paper published in 2000 by physicist Joe Polchinski and Raphael Busso, there may be as many as 10 500 vacuums - that's a "10" followed by five hundred zeroes. Given the speed of light is different in different mediums, isn't it possible that light travels much faster in other vacuums, which essentially provide different (and possibly unique) mediums though which light may travel?



http://www.superstringtheory.com/index.html



http://www.mkaku.org



http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18825305.800



Back to Einstein



While Einstein introduced his Special Theory of Relativity in 1905, he spent the next decade developing his General Theory of Relativity, which theoretically allows for the bending of spacetime, thereby allowing an object to move between two points at a rate of speed which would appear to an independent observer as faster than light.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity



Hal9000 on Binary Stars:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1910993



Hal9000: "Starlight Pro" binary modeling:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1913289



Hal9000: "Zeta Reticuli factoids":



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1912228



More from Hal9000:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1912826



Extensive data from AmeobaSized:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1914062



Links from Torbjon:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1954236



Boogie on Paul R. Hill:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957652



Planet Serpo



The planet Serpo was within a binary star system, which gave it almost continues sunlight. The planet was hotter than Earth and thus difficult for the team members to adapt to. Many speculate as to whether it is possible to have a habitable planet within a close binary star system.



Posted by Hal9000



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1912369



Posted by Hal9000



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1912826



Posted by Hal9000



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1913289



Posted by mbkennel



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1913318



Posted by lost_shaman



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1913400



The Energy Device



From Serpo.org - An energy device on the large craft could power any electrical device regardless of demand. It was debated on ATS whether the intent of the description stating "regardless" of demand meant that the device could handle infinite demand. The narrator on Serpo.org speculated that they tap into a vacuum and extract energy. Two energy devices were brought back to earth for study.



Here is the information Anon provided regarding the scientific study of these devices: they are 9" x 11" x 1.5", weight 26.7 oz and made of something similar to hard plastic. Electron microscope shows it contains small bubbles with small particles inside them, which move clockwise at great speed when demand is applied. There is an unidentified fluid around the bubbles. Fluid changes color when demand is applied and becomes warm. Testing powered everything from a 0.5 watt light bulb to an entire house.



http://serpo.org/information.html#2



http://serpo.org/information.html#4



http://serpo.org/information.html#5



http://serpo.org/information.html#8



http://serpo.org/information.html#11



ATS Comments on the Energy Device



Rdube02 makes some observations regarding energy device



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957735



poon suggests zero point energy as point to research



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957784



theox points out a fictional story identifying this same kind of device:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957829



Bill Ryan recommends Exempt from Disclosure which covers in detail this energy device



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957847



loofo mentions keeping the device secret could be considered a crime against humanity



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1958499



poon reiterates the theory of this being motivating the secrecy



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1958561



mbkennel covers discussion of the social implications of such an energy device



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1959707



seekeroftruth101 adds to the discussion of social implications



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1960160 The Players



Anonymous



Introduced by Victor only as "Request Anonymous", we naturally know nothing about the true identify of the "whistleblower". We're asked to believe that he's a retired DIA officer with access to the complete debriefing manual of Project Serpo, the alleged exchange program. He also claims to be working with five other former U.S. Government officials in providing this information to us.



Since this entire summary is, in essence, the story of Request Anonymous and his writings, no links are provided. And while there are many theories as to who he or she might be, none is credible enough to mention at this time.



Bill Ryan



Bill Ryan is the webmaster of the Serpo.org website and has become the mouthpiece for all issues relating to the release of information pertaining to the alleged Zeta Reticuli Exchange Program.



Bill first became aware of the Serpo story on a UFO mailing list, moderated by Victor Martinez. Bill was originally on another list moderated by Victor and was invited by him to join in the discussion. Bill decided to create the Serpo website as a means to present the information being sent to Victor in one place.



Bill joined the Serpo discussion on the ATS site on the December 15, 2005, thanks in large part as a result of an invitation by forum member Hemetae. He has been very active in the ongoing discussion ever since, with over 140 posts.



He has also participated in a number of Radio interviews, including Coast to Coast AM and Jerry Pippin, as well as the 2 out of 3 Amigos podcast interview with Springer and Skeptic Overlord here at ATS.



A statement from Bill Ryan, as posted on the Serpo site



http://www.serpo.org



The following is a list of posts by Bill Ryan on the ATS website:



Hemetae confirms Bill is to join the discussion:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1885280



Bill's first post to ATS, clarifying a number of things that had been brought up previously:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1885368



Bill answers a raft of intelligent questions posted by a number of members since his arrival to the board.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1886028



Bill on Rick Doty and the C2C radio interview:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1886893



Bill comments on Victor's list:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887151



Bill on being watched and the MIB:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887164



Bill's hypotheses:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1888171



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1949379



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1956311



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1958628



Bill responds to questions by Serpentime:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1901485



Bill responds to questions by onlyinmydreams:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1901906



Bill on Amazon tribes people and exchangees:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1904510



Bill on the old retired USAF Colonel:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1905158



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1949362



Bill on Radio appearances:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1905325



Bill on Media appearances and other stories received through the Serpo site:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1910873



Bill on Exempt from Disclosure and 'book plugs':



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1910894



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1957847



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1964769



Bill on possible problems faced by Anonymous:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1921337



Bill on META tags and similarity of www.ufoconspiracy.com with the Serpo site:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1935132



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947907



Bill on Victor's WebTV system and archiving of emails:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887236



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887272



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1936102



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1939286



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1955251



Bill on the Final Report 80HQD893-020 numbering system:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1943451



Bill's exhaustive reply to chelseafan1:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944584



Bill asks for help evaluating the Serpo site's web logs:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944619



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1945321



Another exhaustive reply by Bill, this time to Zep Tepi:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944689



Bill posts an email from Dr. Michael Salla:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944866



Bill on the possible age of Anonymous:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944900



Bill's letter to Dr. Michael Salla (Also included in post #1 of the thread):



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1950320



And Dr Salla's reply:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1950330



Bill responds to Hal9000 on Paul McGovern and Gene Loscowski:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1951590



Bill on himself and the impact the Serpo story has had on him:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1951625



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1951766



Bill on the fact that he isn't David Icke(!)



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1953129



Bill on how the website came to be:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1954165



Bill responds to robertfenix:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1954312



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1964953



Bill on the IP Header controversy:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1958993



Bill posts the first Anonymous posting sent directly to him:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1965391



Victor Martinez



Victor Martinez is a substitute teacher in the Los Angeles area. His forte is professed to be English grammar and writing style, and his own writing takes on a journalistic flair, as evidenced by the sometimes sensationalism. Why he was chosen to initially be the "voice" of Serpo is unknown, but Victor's use of "WebTV", a rather arcane email system, has been suggested. It's also been ridiculed.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1987143



And who is Victor? Is he Victor Thorn?



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1944562



Victor says no.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=185069&singlepost=1946499



All we truly know is that Victor Martinez has a number of "lists" of email addresses; one for UFO-related material. On this list are many famous and infamous names in Ufology, including military intelligence officers, journalists, and noted scientists. Anonymous allegedly lurked on this list for about six months before contacting Victor and telling him his story. Once he began to run the story, interest in Victor's list grew, swelling the number of list-members to over 200.



Richard Doty



Many red flags were raised when Richard Doty was apparently involved with the Serpo Story. He served as a counter-intelligence officer in the military back in the 80's, and is a self-confessed disinformation agent. Because of his past many do not trust him and have suspected he was the source behind the Serpo. On December 6, 2005, Richard Doty and Bill Ryan made an appearance on the radio show Coast to Coast with George Noory. He also was coauthor of a book "Exempt from Disclosure" which was published in April of 2005, which was posted on the website and many thought that Serpo was an attempt to sell more books. Bill Ryan has gone on the record explaining that Richard Doty was not the source of the Serpo story, and was only involved in the C2C broadcast by his invitation.



However, early in the Serpo Saga, a review of "Exempt from Disclosure" by Bill Ryan on Amazon.com was posted to the ATS thread:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1876320



Richard Doty's account of EBE-2 posted on the Serpo website



http://www.serpo.org/consistencies.html



Link to the C2C show (subscription required)



http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2005/12/06.html



Links to the discussion thread posts on Richard Doty



Obscure's review of C2C show in discussion thread



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1868381



Hal9000 on RD



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1870090



onlyinmydreams on RD



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877187



Centrist on RD



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877219



Bill Ryan on RD



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1886893



Hydden on RD



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1889177



Dan Burisch



Dan Burisch is not directly connected to the Project Serpo, but some members thought he could be behind the anonymous posts. As it turns out, he and his supporters felt that Serpo.org was actually a competing disclosure effort to his own. According to Dan, who also claimed to work with J-rod, the Ebens were coming here to change our history timeline. He claimed that J-rod said, in the near future there will be a huge catastrophe and that the Ebens were a split species from humans that have come back in time to try to repair their own genetic flaws. J-rod was also supposed to be a negotiator of the Tau-9 treaty between the Ebens and humans, which Dan was involved with. Obviously, this story is incompatible with the story that Anon is disseminating, so the two camps are at odds.



Links to discussion on Dan Burisch



Bill Ryan's post on Dan Burisch



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1885368



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1881719



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1881803



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1882540



robertfenix on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1882604



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1884478



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1891650



Shawnna on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1897336



Centrist on Tau-9 Treaty



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1898391



Hydden's new thread on Serpo vs. Burisch



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=187927



Centrist on DB



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1901258 Plausible Explanations



From the first posting by "Request Anonymous" to Victor Martinez on November 2, 2005, the "Project Serpo" story has generated a wide range of passions, explanations, and opinions.



While the sentiments at ATS have varied widely over time, and between individuals, the general nature of response has fallen largely within broader categories.



Among these are:



1. The "Project Serpo" information could be authentic.



2. The "Project Serpo" information is linked to an orchestrated Information Warfare (or "Disinformation") campaign.



3. The "Project Serpo" story is a baseless hoax.



Within the three major categories, distinctive supporting arguments have, by now, become fairly established. Listed below is a brief index of some of the most useful materials, information, and opinions, regarding "Project Serpo", and which can be found at both ATS and Serpo.org.



1. The "Project Serpo" information could be authentic.



Many details are consistent with established Ufological tenets:



Serpo.org "Consistencies" page:



http://www.serpo.org/consistencies.html



Clifford Stone interview:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862247



Howe, Moore, EBE, MJ-12 link from HAL9000:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1869929



GrOuNd_ZeRo on the "Ebens":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858136



onlyinmydreams on "separate recoveries":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1867136



onlyinmydreams on Travis Walton:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1918713



DeuceCyrenne on Socorro, 1964:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1955358



Zep Tepi: "Linda Howe and Bruce Maccabee interview UFO Whistleblower."



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1963215



Knowledgeable "insiders" have responded positively to the information:



Gene Loscowski and Paul McGovern; "The Original posting by Anonymous"; Serpo.org:



http://www.serpo.org/information.html



Review by Obscure: Richard Doty on C2C:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1868381



Executive order # 12958 may provide possible provenance for "Project Serpo's" declassification:



Essay by Centrist:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1871577



ORCON "Rights of appeal" by Centrist:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1955381



New supporting material has been developed:



Serpo.org "Consistencies" Page:



http://www.serpo.org/consistencies.html



Valhall posts Strieber "Serpico" account:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1861548



Bill Ryan's "retired USAF Colonel" (also at www.serpo.org/comments.html#1 ):



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1905158



The Story may reflect the nuances of "real life":



onlyinmydreams on "over-scrutiny":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862283



onlyinmydreams: rebuttal to "inconsistencies":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1875447



The proposition might not be as "impossible" as we assume:



Centrist on the "Cherenkov Effect":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1862816



shixta on the limitations of human knowledge:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877158



enhancedesign on "critical thinking":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877784



Centrist: Article on Alpha Centauri:



http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/schatzer/Alpha-Centauri.html



Bill Ryan's best arguments:



Bill Ryan replies to Michael Salla.



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1950320



Miscellaneous:



The infamous "ANRD post":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1863248



HAL9000 on ANRD:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1865125



Centrist interviews NSA official:



http://uploads.abovetopsecret.com/ats27831_transcript.txt



Frankenchrist/celticniall: Civil space program?



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1884304



2. The "Project Serpo" information is linked to an orchestrated Information Warfare (or "Disinformation") campaign.



Prior "Disclosure" overtures have never seen fruition:



Hello from Serpentime:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1887904



Centrist on Linda Howe/Richard Doty/MJ-12:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877219



Allegations have been made that "Project Serpo" is an obsolete anti-Soviet ruse:



Chapman's post (later admitted to have been hoaxed):



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1966952



Springer:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1962089



SkepticOverlord:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947603



SkepticOverlord#2:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1962068



The publication of Robert Collins' and Richard Doty's book "Exempt from Disclosure" (2005) may have prompted a counterintelligence response:



Serpentime's hypothesis:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1963428



Lost_shaman: "Alienate and Discredit":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1877514



Intelligence organizations often target the UFO Community for their own reasons:



yourworstnightmare's post:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1950700



sdrumrunner on yourworstnightmare:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1951231



An orchestrated "acclimation program" may be under way.



Reference to "A Framework" document:



http://www.serpo.org/consistencies.html#8



HAL9000 references "Cosmic Journey":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1875502



Freenrgy2 asks: "Why haven't they stopped this?":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1878303



QuietSoul: "flagged by Echelon":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1880732



Miscellaneous:



12m8keall2c: "Data Mining":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1962808



Serpentime: "Modus Operandi"



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1924844



3. The "Project Serpo" story is a hoax.



Many aspects of the story resemble Science Fiction:



John Carter on "To Serve Man":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1916487



WHOFLUNGGUM on Star Trek:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926842



Star Wars/Tattooine by onlyinmydreams:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1971503



SeldomSeen on comic books:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1938719



rdube02: "old pulp sci-fi story":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1947678



onlyinmydreams on Star Wars:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1971539



The account is internally/externally inconsistent:



"Smells like a hoax" by SkepticOverlord:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1857443



Sequitur from Centrist:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1857452



Space.com quote:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1857855



Valhall on "watches":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858759



robertfenix thinks "novella":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858927



saint4God: "Tech=low":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1860132



futureafter on "modus operandi":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1875359



timbr3 on release "channels":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1876111



CrossBone: 5 reasons to doubt:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1880215



Serpentime: Some thoughts on Carl Sagan:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1911039



More "inconsistencies" from Zep Tepi:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1926252



"A great novel" from OLDMAN_O:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1946628



The "Aviary" is involved:



Centrist senses a common connection:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1858533



More from Centrist:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1867930



Gazrok: "same old story?":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1894000



Miscellaneous:



Towards Omega: John Titor redux?



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1871924



Gazrok senses "Yahweh":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1878426



KDX175DUEX: "this story smells funny":



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1952543



Over the last half of December 2005, 'Serpentime' conducted an ATS poll in conjunction with, and at the suggestion of, Serpo.org webmaster Bill Ryan.



The ATS Poll Question was given in two parts. Results as of January 3, 2006 can be viewed by clicking on this link:



http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1920054



In addition, an anonymous Snap-poll was offered, which (although not scientific) produced slightly different opinions. These results can be viewed by clicking on these links



http://www.snappoll.com/view_results.php?poll_id=57649



http://www.snappoll.com/view_results.php?poll_id=57651



Those who identified themselves in the ATS Poll were more likely to interpret "Serpo" as either a hoax or a Disinformation ploy. Those who voted anonymously in the on-line Snap-poll were more likely to believe it authentic.



A similar poll of those on Victor's email list conducted by Bill Ryan was similarly inconclusive:



See the results and Bill's comments here:



http://abovetopsecret.com/forum/single.php?post=1944584