

fw

join:2005-09-18 fw Member To go please ... I'll take 1 FiberHome100 to go please



phattieg

join:2001-04-29

Winter Park, FL phattieg Member Re: To go please ... This is why America is not the place to be if you need bandwidth to push around. But, then again, I am sure much of the desired content is in English. It's a catch 22. I bet the government monitors their traffic more heavily than the USA does our own.



dave24

@etrials.com dave24 Anon Re: To go please ... Actually the gov. doesn't really interfere too much as you might be led think. Hong Kong is an SAR (Special Administrative Region) of China as still has almost of the same freedoms it had under British colonial rule.



Its an awesome place to live, I highly recommend it!



fish

@netvigator.com fish to phattieg

Anon to phattieg

Hilarious ignorance from a country where major telcos, ISPs, and web sites almost routinely hand over information to your government to "fight terrorist"!



While many Hong Kong people are probably also accessing English content, the writer has clearly not seen the blogging activity in a typical internet cafe in China lately. Unfortunately, many Hong Kong Chinese cannot read simplified Chinese and anyway prefer more serious news and information sources from Hong Kong, Singapore, UK, and the US anyways.



Plinio

@tricom.net Plinio to phattieg

Anon to phattieg

One question, Is America a Country or a Continent?



anooonnn

@217.205.102.x anooonnn Anon Re: To go please ... ctry



DvD

@124.43.205.x 1 edit DvD to fw

Anon to fw

I want one too. My current broadband costs $33 (512/128 ADSL)



PolarBear03

The bear formerly known as aaron8301

Premium Member

join:2005-01-03 PolarBear03 Premium Member Cat5e Can I just string some Cat5e from my buddy's house in Hong Kong to mine? Or will that violate the TOS?



LaZ3R

Premium Member

join:2003-01-17 LaZ3R Premium Member I want to live in Hong Kong . End of story... 100MBPS SYMMETRICAL? That's an orgasmic speed for us North American's

nasadude

join:2001-10-05

Rockville, MD nasadude Member Re: I want to live in Hong Kong don't worry, we'll probably (maybe) have those speeds in 10 or 15 years.

ShadezeRO

join:2006-04-24

Fort Lauderdale, FL ShadezeRO Member Re: I want to live in Hong Kong Don't you think you're being a little too....



optimistic?

Done_Posting

Shoot to kill

Premium Member

join:2003-08-22

Toledo, OH Done_Posting to nasadude

Premium Member to nasadude

much sooner than many folks are aware of...



- Tate 100 Mbps service is on its way here to Toledosooner than many folks are aware of...- Tate



user1

@buckeyecom.net user1 Anon Re: I want to live in Hong Kong Re: I want to live in Hong Kong



100 Mbps service is on its way here to Toledo much sooner than many folks are aware of...



- Tate

Too bad it will cost an arm and a leg and wideband might not play well with voip. Too bad it will cost an arm and a leg and wideband might not play well with voip.



boo

@sbcglobal.net boo to Done_Posting

Anon to Done_Posting

hah in toledo you get 7mbit for 50ish+ via buckeye and 1.5mbit for 20ish+ from at&t because buckeyes 1.5mbit line is a joke



if it comes to toledo it would be 150+per/month the way buckeye charges for stuff and they would severely cap the upload like cable is now



Bellunder

@teksavvy.com Bellunder to nasadude

Anon to nasadude

Canada will likely take more than a century to hit the century mark speed-wise.



C0deZer0

Oc'D To Rhythm And Police

Premium Member

join:2001-10-03

Tempe, AZ 121.4 9.8

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said by nasadude:



don't worry, we'll probably (maybe) have those speeds in 10 or 15 years. don't worry, we'll probably (maybe) have those speeds in 10 or 15 years.



It would take a second mortgage a month to get that kind of speed anywhere in the states. Now you're just being too kind (or apologetical) to the nature of these ISP companies.It would take a second mortgageto get that kind of speed anywhere in the states.



tad2020

join:2007-07-17

Orange, CA tad2020 to LaZ3R

Member to LaZ3R

said by LaZ3R:



End of story... 100MBPS SYMMETRICAL? That's an orgasmic speed for us North American's .

End of story... 100MBPS SYMMETRICAL? That's an orgasmic speed for us North American's



I'd murder my best friend to get 100Mbps symmetrical, that's if he doesn't get me first for it. We're lucky if 10Mbps is even in the area, and often it much more than $48.50/mo (6Mbps in my area is $49/mo). Plus it's pretty much impossible to get an upstream higher than 786Kbps in North America.I'd murder my best friend to get 100Mbps symmetrical, that's if he doesn't get me first for it.



inteller

Sociopaths always win.

join:2003-12-08

Tulsa, OK inteller to LaZ3R

Member to LaZ3R

100mps symettrical to what? The ISP? Talking about speeds like this are stupid, because no one on this has 100mbps to the Internet. So it goes 100mbps up to the ISP, who then squeaks out maybe 30Mbps to the Internet. Big whoopie. The only people this will help are the local DVD pirates in hong kong.

nitroburn

join:2002-11-20

Surrey, BC nitroburn Member Re: I want to live in Hong Kong Some people have friends on the same ISP.



stordoff

@btcentralplus.com stordoff Anon Re: I want to live in Hong Kong Symetrical as in 100Mbps up, 100Mbps down. Most comsumer broadband has a far greater down than up speed



Although speeds like this will probabily only help for multiple conncurrent downloads.



LiberalKing

Intocable

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join:2005-09-12

Bronx, NY 1 edit LiberalKing Premium Member another good thread to bash the U.S.A why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED?

bogey7806

join:2004-03-19

Here 1 recommendation bogey7806 Member Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A You don't have those speeds because you don't want to pay what it would cost to get them HERE.



Next BBR can post the price of oil in Saudi Arabia and how it's awful that we can't get nickel/gallon gas here.



Anon430

@comcast.net Anon430 Anon Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A Get the hell out, Oil is more available over there because it is underneath their soil. Bandwidth is limited by hardware technology, which America has the same technology available for the same price. ISP's don't want the internet to be that accessible and easily shared.

bogey7806

join:2004-03-19

Here bogey7806 Member Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A We don't have fiber strung literally between every block as they do. Our population density and civil design is vastly different. That's why it costs more here.



Go one and buy a couple Cisco routers and set up your ISP. You'll find out exactly how much it costs and the idea that it's a conspiracy to keep people off the net is as absurd as it sounds.



MrMoody

Free range slave

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join:2002-09-03

Smithfield, NC MrMoody to LiberalKing

Premium Member to LiberalKing

They think we'd just use it to trade 20 DVDs a day.



not kelly ripa

@aamu.edu not kelly ripa Anon Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A said by MrMoody:



They think we'd just use it to trade 20 DVDs a day.

They think we'd just use it to trade 20 DVDs a day. ...wouldn't you?



infinite

@cogentco.com infinite Anon Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A 20 DVDs? You could probably pull about 30/day given a solid 10mb down connection (like mine) and usenet. I'm limited by the speeds on their side, not mine. This is all hypothetical of course, I'd never commit piracy.



VegasMan

Living the Vegas life.

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join:2002-11-17

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Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units.



tglea

join:2007-08-13

Mexico tglea Member Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A said by VegasMan:



Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units.

Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units. Agree! Not to mention the cost of labor in these Asian locations. They are able to build these networks using labor that is probably pennies on the dollar. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials.



rebus9

join:2002-03-26

Tampa Bay rebus9 Member Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A said by tglea:



Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials.



Bottom line is, we're not offered 100 Mbps because providers know "they don't have to".



We kick and scream about speeds, point our fingers at how the rest of the world is eating our broadband shorts, then we shut up and pay the $49 for sub-10M service each month.



If there was a large-scale movement in America where internet users went "on strike", cancelling their DSL and cable-internet services by the millions and going back to dialup until we were offered 50 Mbps symmetrical for $49/mo., I would absolutely participate.



But I know that will never happen. We've become a society that will bitterly complain about being fed sewage, yet happily swallow it rather than fighting it.

And anyone who knows anything about maintaining large networks knows the cost of acquisition is trivial compared to the TCO over time.Bottom line is, we're not offered 100 Mbps because providers know "they don't have to".We kick and scream about speeds, point our fingers at how the rest of the world is eating our broadband shorts, then we shut up and pay the $49 for sub-10M service each month.If there was a large-scale movement in America where internet users went "on strike", cancelling their DSL and cable-internet services by the millions and going back to dialup until we were offered 50 Mbps symmetrical for $49/mo., I would absolutely participate.But I know that will never happen. We've become a society that will bitterly complain about being fed sewage, yet happily swallow it rather than fighting it.



wedgedkitty

join:2006-01-10

Quincy, MA wedgedkitty to tglea

Member to tglea

said by tglea:



Agree! Not to mention the cost of labor in these Asian locations. They are able to build these networks using labor that is probably pennies on the dollar. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials.

Agree! Not to mention the cost of labor in these Asian locations. They are able to build these networks using labor that is probably pennies on the dollar. Anyone who knows anything about construction knows that the labor costs far exceed the cost of materials. Even though in Hong Kong, wages are actually often HIGHER than their equivalents in America...??



HotRodFoto

Premium Member

join:2003-04-19

Denver, CO HotRodFoto to VegasMan

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said by VegasMan:



Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units.

Look where we are talking about. Relatively small countries and only in the cities in these countries. When you don't have to wire half the freakin world it's easy to do. Also most of these people live in MDU anyway so that makes it 100's of times easier to deploy than here in the US where most are Single Family units. That is no excuse why this kinda speed is NOT available in the biggest 50 cities in America. We keep falling farther and farther behind



geography

@tel-ott.com geography to VegasMan

Anon to VegasMan

Hong Kong is part of China



gravity12

@iauq.com gravity12 Anon Re: another good thread to bash the U.S.A Just to let you know Hong Kong is part of China but their government system is still in accord with British Colony Rules. They are free to do whatever business they wish.



infinite

@cogentco.com infinite to VegasMan

Anon to VegasMan

There are about 7 million people in Hong Kong, and China is one of the largest nations in the world. The only city in the US that is larger is NYC, by something along the lines of 1 million people.



KrK

Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy

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Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2

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If that was true, then MDU here and the dense urban areas would have 100mbs symmetrical service, but most areas wouldn't. Too bad it's not true. The reason this hasn't appeared here yet is simple: Greed. It's far more profitable to charge the max possible and deliver the lowest level of service.



People would love that speed here for that price... but it's not going to happen.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

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join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 to LiberalKing

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said by LiberalKing:



why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED?

why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED? BINGO!

tdar

join:2004-04-05

Alpharetta, GA tdar to LiberalKing

Member to LiberalKing

said by LiberalKing:



why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED?

why dont we in america get this speeds?. how come the hong kongers, koreans and the swedes get it. is it THE AMERICAN GREED? YES



Anon123

@cushing.org Anon123 to LiberalKing

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I can't believe what you've just said. The only reason that Hong Kong has these speeds is because of that "evil" greed. People in search of a profit have to compete. In the USA a lot of government sanctioned monopolies exist which limit competition (competition of a race for money IE GREED). Hong Kong is one of the most economically free places in the world. Its not American companies greed that keeps our speed low, its government protectionism.



Altruism is a lie



hayabusa3303

Over 200 mph

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join:2005-06-29

Florence, SC hayabusa3303 Premium Member Nice Doesnt that part of the world have BAD ping times, or am i wrong?

Rick5

Premium Member

join:2001-02-06 Rick5 Premium Member Sure, ok..no problemo



AT& T Uverse



Dagda1175

join:2001-06-17

Goleta, CA Dagda1175 Member Trade off ....i'd rather not live in such population density!



notars

@verizon.net notars Anon well by comparison.. there's another fringe benefit of bandwidth in Hong Kong..

no anal retentive industry lawsuits from XXAA!!



Scatcatpdx

Fur It Up

join:2007-06-22

Portland, OR Scatcatpdx Member Same old Story With US broadband rates slowing I do not see the expenditures required to bring even a small portion American brodband users to 100Mbs to be prudent use of resources. We need to concentrate in making brodbad efficient via the market place rather than 100Mbs show pieces.



ninjatutle

Premium

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San Ramon, CA 1 recommendation ninjatutle Member HK, I'll pass I'd rather kill myself then live in commie china.



David_

La vida es bella

join:2001-01-28

chile David_ Member Droool.... ....



Oh dear, I might as well move to Hong Kong, I bet the Chinese food is great over there... Plus a chinese girlfriend would be a nice bonus to the 1 gbps net connexion ... !



Can any of you hong kong broadband overlords try to send me a Wifi signal all the way down to South America ???



Disclaimer: I could get up to 20 mbps AdsL 2 line into my house but I´m too cheap to get it. (besides , dealing with the local telco company sucks !) And here I am with my 600 kbps cable line....Oh dear, I might as well move to Hong Kong, I bet the Chinese food is great over there... Plus a chinese girlfriend would be a nice bonus to the 1 gbps net connexion... !Can any of you hong kong broadband overlords try to send me a Wifi signal all the way down to South America ???Disclaimer: I could get up to 20 mbps AdsL 2 line into my house but I´m too cheap to get it. (besides , dealing with the local telco company sucks !)



dadkins

Can you do Blu?

MVM

join:2003-09-26

Hercules, CA dadkins MVM Santa Clara, CA

For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395



But, seeing as the only "major" ISP that is pushing any sort of fiber to anywhere other than a new subdivision... best that we can hope to see is what? 30/5?



Someone needs to stepup.

Any of the metro areas that exist here in The States should be kicking ass! 100 Symmetrical is available - $145For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395But, seeing as the only "major" ISP that is pushing any sort of fiber to anywhere other than a new subdivision... best that we can hope to see is what? 30/5?Someone needs to stepup.Any of the metro areas that exist here in The States should be kicking ass!



Cjaiceman

MVM

join:2004-10-12

Castle Rock, WA (Software) pfSense

Ubiquiti UniFi UAP-AC-PRO

Cjaiceman MVM Re: Santa Clara, CA said by dadkins:



100 Symmetrical is available - $145

For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395 100 Symmetrical is available - $145For that matter, gigabit is available too! $395 I would be even willing to pay $145/month for symmetrical 100Mbps fiber....



wedgedkitty

join:2006-01-10

Quincy, MA wedgedkitty Member Cheap Broadband No surprise here. Broadband is ridiculously cheap in HK (can't remember the rate our friends told us they paid per month, but it was a fraction of the cost of what I pay in the US). I remember also walking into internet cafes where the going rate was HKD$10 per hour, which is less than USD$1.50 per hour - by far the cheapest I've seen anywhere I've traveled.

kd6cae

P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime

join:2001-08-27

Pittsfield, MA kd6cae Member heck, I'll take 25Mbps symmetrical Wow that's impressive. Hong Kong's slowest tier is 25Mbit/sec symmetrical, here in America many of us would kill even to have that! And that's what bother's me. I for example live just a block from the university of California Riverside, where they have I believe it's an OC-192 internet link, yet all I'm able to get is a maximum of 10/1 here? Why is America so crazy about connections being asymmetrical if you're a consumer? What's wrong with having say a 6000/6000 tier? Sure one day we'll have 100mbps, but our upload will be 1mbps, lol.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: heck, I'll take 25Mbps symmetrical said by kd6cae:



Sure one day we'll have 100mbps, but our upload will be 1mbps, lol. Sure one day we'll have 100mbps, but our upload will be 1mbps, lol. Thats only if you have the top tier package, else it'll be 256kbps.



WutanG5

Premium Member

join:2001-12-12

Seaford, DE WutanG5 Premium Member caps? My opinion anyway YMMV i ask though,is there any caps? maybe people there don't saturate their connections 24/7 with torrent out the ass.So thats not a relevent question.I'm pretty sure that what us Americans would do with that..and that is why we don't have it yet lolMy opinion anyway YMMV

MrRuckus8

join:2004-01-30

Portland, OR MrRuckus8 Member Re: caps? said by WutanG5:



i ask though,is there any caps? maybe people there don't saturate their connections 24/7 with torrent out the ass.So thats not a relevent question.I'm pretty sure that what us Americans would do with that..and that is why we don't have it yet lol My opinion anyway YMMV

i ask though,is there any caps? maybe people there don't saturate their connections 24/7 with torrent out the ass.So thats not a relevent question.I'm pretty sure that what us Americans would do with that..and that is why we don't have it yet lolMy opinion anyway YMMV



Also as its already been stated. They are able to deploy this mainly because of their living arrangements. I'd rather live in my house with my 12Mb/1Mb connection then live in an apartment complex with 1000+ tenants and a quarter of the space. Actually, if you browse the IRC channels these days, most of the illegal content is handled via these 100Mbit oversea's connections and believe me, they have stats that show they're in the terabyte range for bandwidth used. I don't believe they have anykind of caps in place.Also as its already been stated. They are able to deploy this mainly because of their living arrangements. I'd rather live in my house with my 12Mb/1Mb connection then live in an apartment complex with 1000+ tenants and a quarter of the space.



Ben

Premium Member

join:2007-06-17

Fort Worth, TX Ben Premium Member Hmm... 100Mbps symmetrical for $50/mo.?



What I, indeed, have to wonder are a few things:



- Artificial Caps. What are the numbers, if any? This isn't to be confused with technical limits, like a T1 really can only transfer 487GB in a month (full saturation 24/7).



- Reliability. How reliable is such a connection? If it's down half the time then I don't care how fast it is.



- Contracts. What it says. Annual contracts, or month-to-month?



- Equipment. Can you get the equipment when you sign up, or do you have to buy your own? If the latter, what does the equipment cost?



- Availability. Can anyone with the money get this? Or are there geographical limits? For example, FIOS sounds cool, and the rates would even be affordable for me. But I don't care, because I can't get it. The only alternative for similar speed service would be a T3 line, although at least I'd get an awesome SLA.



NOTE: I did read the article. It talks about Hong Kong. What I mean is, can anyone there get the service?



- Restrictions. Are there limits to what you can do? Can I attach a Linux box, make it into an FTP server, and start sharing files? Can I run a website from said box?



- Government Intervention. What did the government do, if anything? I don't buy the argument "But it's a smaller foot-print." The reason I don't is because then all the major metro areas in this country would have such services available. It's why rural areas were the last to get phone service back in the day, and why people even as late as the 1940s used outhouses, again in rural areas.



There's a lot more to an Internet connection than simply speed and the monthly spend.



As far as rural areas, sometimes I wonder if there's any hope. I'm hoping fiber will be the answer, because I remember from a class I took once that the fiber itself is a cheap medium, although the connectors and equipment aren't so cheap. And that fiber can also cover longer distances. It's not like plumbing, where even to this day houses in the middle of nowhere aren't attached to city-wide plumbing. At least alternatives such as water-pumps/wells and septic tanks exist. With Internet access, there's no way around the "line," and the fact it needs to be built out there.



LarryTerse

@rr.com LarryTerse Anon Not reality HKBN is not widely available in HK... Most are still using Cable from i-cable or PCCW's DSL product. Be sure to put the usual BBR spin on it.

jyeung

inspiration reality

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North York, ON jyeung Premium Member Re: Not reality said by LarryTerse :



HKBN is not widely available in HK... Most are still using Cable from i-cable or PCCW's DSL product. Be sure to put the usual BBR spin on it.

Availability's getting there. It's a hell of a lot faster than PCCW's 3Mbps or 6Mbps DSL offerings. Just became available in my HK home, looking to switch to it soon: the promo they have includes free TV for the duration of the term.



- Jason Availability's getting there. It's a hell of a lot faster than PCCW's 3Mbps or 6Mbps DSL offerings. Just became available in my HK home, looking to switch to it soon: the promo they have includes free TV for the duration of the term.- Jason



justmesqui

Just-

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BH9 2RJ justmesqui Premium Member International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps the high speed fiber connection its just to your isp and fellow members of your isp, 100 or 200 or any other package is capped at 20Mbps up and down to the internet

torchsonghq

join:2002-11-23

Everett, WA 1 recommendation torchsonghq Member Re: International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps I can live with that!

Birolo

join:2005-04-24

Woodstock, GA 1 recommendation Birolo Member Re: International connection 20Mbps/20Mbps I am moving to Hong Kong!!!

DonPedro

join:2005-11-18

dominican re DonPedro Member If you prefer French cooking instead chinese food . 100Mbps download /50 Mbps Up $41 per months including free phone call to USA , europe , China and 14 countries...



mrogi

@comcast.net mrogi Anon Re: If you prefer French cooking instead chinese food . 100Mbps downloads means I would have to buy a much bigger hard drive to hold all the extra porn.



superht1

join:2001-02-22

Kennesaw, GA superht1 Member Re: If you prefer French cooking instead chinese food . Why buy more hd when dvd media can be had for a lot cheaper?