You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.



Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.

CysticFibros Profile Joined October 2012 Germany 26 Posts #9181



race: Protoss



1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.



2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.



Replay:

http://drop.sc/395839

Hackername: Chalumeaurace: Protoss1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.Replay:

jaf Profile Joined July 2012 Italy 9 Posts #9182 http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) mass stalker walks into a bar and says where is the counter?

Skyblueone Profile Joined June 2012 Belgium 155 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-07 14:52:43 #9183 this guy is probably hacking. http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/5910075

Gwavajuice Profile Joined June 2014 France 1810 Posts #9184 On April 07 2015 21:41 CysticFibros wrote:

Hackername: Chalumeau



race: Protoss



1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.



2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.



Replay:

http://drop.sc/395839

Hackername: Chalumeaurace: Protoss1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.Replay:



OMG I though april's fool was last week!



you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss?



Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help. OMG I though april's fool was last week!you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss?Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help. Dear INno and all the former STX boys.

Gwavajuice Profile Joined June 2014 France 1810 Posts #9185 On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail)





Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :



1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?



2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?



3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?



4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?



In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Dear INno and all the former STX boys.

Gwavajuice Profile Joined June 2014 France 1810 Posts #9186 On April 07 2015 23:47 Skyblueone wrote:

this guy is probably hacking. this guy is probably hacking. http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/5910075



I don't think this post follows any of this thread's rules... I don't think this post follows any of this thread's rules... Dear INno and all the former STX boys.

jaf Profile Joined July 2012 Italy 9 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-07 17:24:01 #9187 On April 08 2015 01:34 Gwavajuice wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail)





Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :



1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?



2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?



3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?



4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?



In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking.



idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:



6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!

14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)

15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??

16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon

18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map

18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop

seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack



and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my dropseriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphackand in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs mass stalker walks into a bar and says where is the counter?

Gwavajuice Profile Joined June 2014 France 1810 Posts #9188 On April 08 2015 02:22 jaf wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 08 2015 01:34 Gwavajuice wrote:

On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail)





Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :



1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?



2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?



3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?



4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?



In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking.



idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:



6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!

14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)

15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??

16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon

18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map

18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop

seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack



and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my dropseriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphackand in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs



He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually.



Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments...





He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually.Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments... Dear INno and all the former STX boys.

jaf Profile Joined July 2012 Italy 9 Posts #9189 On April 08 2015 04:10 Gwavajuice wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 08 2015 02:22 jaf wrote:

On April 08 2015 01:34 Gwavajuice wrote:

On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail)





Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :



1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?



2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?



3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?



4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?



In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking.



idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:



6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!

14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)

15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??

16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon

18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map

18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop

seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack



and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my dropseriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphackand in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs



He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually.



Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments...





He has some good moves but some bad ones too, like he eventually allows you to make this double drop that will kill his economy entirely (see how late he reacts to the 19 min drop). His game plan makes sense, staying defensive on 3 bases after a failed 5 gates blink is fine, he knows that the main threat is the drops. He tries to use his stalker to defend drops, succeed at first, fails eventually.Ofc, there's the possibility he's just a bad player using a hack but to me it's just a standard master having some good and bad moments...

yeah but moving stalker in my drop is rlly suspicious i wait more people to watch the replay

yeah but moving stalker in my drop is rlly suspicious i wait more people to watch the replay mass stalker walks into a bar and says where is the counter?

Entropical Profile Joined October 2014 Russian Federation 2 Posts #9190



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/340614-gm-master-map-hacker-and-general-hacking-and-cheating-thread?page=451#9012 Probably it's the same "MonteCristo" who tried to report someone earlier in this topic, and ended up getting banned himself, lol. His other replay which he himself uploaded has quite a few suspicious moments, too.

AntiHacker Profile Joined March 2015 Turkey 2 Posts #9191 On April 07 2015 20:26 Gwavajuice wrote:

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On April 07 2015 19:11 AntiHacker wrote:

Nickname : InSTinK

Server : NA

League : Master

Profile :

Replay:



Its so obvious he hack. He's moving his army and getting them posioning into the me without seeing me or sending any scout!

In the last part of game he moved his army to blockade me without no recon or seeing me or scaning me how could he knows if he not a hacker? This is so obvious he hack also he scanned my vipers to see them for making more vikings to destroy them quickly in the middle of the game. Where he knows all of this My army? My base? My Units? This is so strange and his hack is so obvious just as i wrote in the begining of this thread. I hope he'll get a ban quickly. I also reported him more 20 to blizzard! Nickname : InSTinKServer : NALeague : MasterProfile : http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/403486/1/InSTinK/ Replay: http://drop.sc/395836 Its so obvious he hack. He's moving his army and getting them posioning into the me without seeing me or sending any scout!In the last part of game he moved his army to blockade me without no recon or seeing me or scaning me how could he knows if he not a hacker? This is so obvious he hack also he scanned my vipers to see them for making more vikings to destroy them quickly in the middle of the game. Where he knows all of this My army? My base? My Units? This is so strange and his hack is so obvious just as i wrote in the begining of this thread. I hope he'll get a ban quickly. I also reported him more 20 to blizzard!





Watched the whole replay from is point of view :



1 - no evidence of hacking whatsoever

2 - more like evidence of not hacking cause many times he would have done things better if he was hacking (killing overlords faster, better positionning of his army, defending your runbyes...)

3 - big evidence of you being salty.



You seriously reported him 20 times to blizzard? Not only it makes you look ridiculous but also spamming false accusations won't help blizzard in busting the real hackers...



Edit : I'm sure the kind of guy that also rant about Blizzard doing nothing about hackers...



Watched the whole replay from is point of view :1 - no evidence of hacking whatsoever2 - more like evidence of not hacking cause many times he would have done things better if he was hacking (killing overlords faster, better positionning of his army, defending your runbyes...)3 - big evidence of you being salty.You seriously reported him 20 times to blizzard? Not only it makes you look ridiculous but also spamming false accusations won't help blizzard in busting the real hackers...Edit : I'm sure the kind of guy that also rant about Blizzard doing nothing about hackers...



U must be his friend or himself no doubt! He's exactly hacked the game when he moves the army against mine thats shows correctly he is a MapHacker. Thats obvious.... U must be his friend or himself no doubt! He's exactly hacked the game when he moves the army against mine thats shows correctly he is a MapHacker. Thats obvious....

CysticFibros Profile Joined October 2012 Germany 26 Posts #9192 On April 07 2015 23:59 Gwavajuice wrote:

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On April 07 2015 21:41 CysticFibros wrote:

Hackername: Chalumeau



race: Protoss



1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.



2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.



Replay:

http://drop.sc/395839

Hackername: Chalumeaurace: Protoss1. The Protoss player has not even seen thus did not even know what I'm looking for a race but builds forge and counter of cannons when I first pool play.2 He goes on air and did not turn or scout observer exactly what I had built wan roach hydra at the counter.Replay:



OMG I though april's fool was last week!



you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss?



Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help. OMG I though april's fool was last week!you're seriously posting a replay of silver vs gold? of wings of liberty? with both player clearly not knowing what they do? you really think hacking was the cause of your loss?Please read the OP and the motivation behind this GM/master hacker thread. Then go to strategy section, the zerg help me thread and ask for help.





Please stop spam hacker matter what league or not fakes Maphack is a hack Please stop spam hacker matter what league or not fakes Maphack is a hack

KingAlphard Profile Blog Joined August 2012 Italy 1704 Posts #9193

Has been maphacking for at least 1 month.

Server: EU

League: Diamond



B.Net profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/1606736158648172544

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/3713126/1/NightWarrior/

Replay:

http://drop.sc/395875

Pulls multiple probes ahead of time against a non scouted cannon rush.

Hacker name: [AG] Nightwarrior . Team AG (Aggression gaming) - he is the ingame owner of the team as well.Has been maphacking for at least 1 month.Server: EULeague: DiamondB.Net profile: battlenet://starcraft/profile/2/1606736158648172544Replay:Pulls multiple probes ahead of time against a non scouted cannon rush. hots/lotv gm protoss - tesgaming.com

BadBorz Profile Joined June 2012 Canada 60 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-09 01:18:52 #9194 On April 08 2015 02:22 jaf wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 08 2015 01:34 Gwavajuice wrote:

On April 07 2015 23:14 jaf wrote:

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/857218/1/MonteCristo/

MonteCristo

EU

Protoss

http://ggtracker.com/matches/5910031



Moving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail) MonteCristoEUProtossMoving stalker to kill my drop with 0 vision on the map he build the first obs at 20 minute (ithink) only for kill my wm prof are at 16:40 and 18:40 moving stalker from main to natural for kill my drop and in the end attack before my +3 atk finish (but still fail)





Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :



1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?



2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?



3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?



4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?



In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking. Watched replay from his vision. My thoughts :1- I really doubt someone hacking would station his army on top of 3 wm. Moreover, he was caught off guard by your mines, wouldn't he have got obs earlier if he knew you were going for this tech?2 - He does move his stalkers at his natural, but then he moves them letting you drop the natural and do considerable amount of damage. he has 15 stalkers, letting just 5-6 at his natural to defend would have been easy no?3 - you also successfully drop his main with 4 widow mines, surely he would have protected his base better if he was hacking?4 - he doesn't attack "before your +3 finishes" he attacks because he just hit 2/2 and you killed 37 workers : what else would he possibly do? you also manage to flank his HT and get rid of them very fast, he would have had a better map awarness with a hack, don't you think?In conclusion, I don't think there is any evidence here, the guy played normally, probably not hacking.



idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:



6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!

14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)

15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??

16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon

18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map

18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my drop

seriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphack



and in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs idk he moving stalker so random for me is suspicious... plz explain that:6:32 moving 2 stalker into my reaper without vision at random!!14:18 random moving all the stalker first to my marauder and after go to xel naga first for snipe 1 marauder (this not very suspicious but still)15:42 moving the stalker into my drop!! this is rly suspicious he select all the stalker and move to the cliff of the base to snipe my 2 medivac (if this is not suspicious idk what to say) do you think this is standard double drop 15:42 minute timing??16:42 random moving all stalker to the natural and build a photon cannon18:20 dat game sense! move all stalker to the main again still he finished the first obs and still 0 vision to the map18:35 moving the stalker in the perfect direction to kill my dropseriously this guy have 0 multitasking and very bad army control that why he lost that much,for me is maphackand in master league i have never seen toss play without obs until 18:20 (unless is a maphacker) , every toss build min 3 obs









I agree with you lol... this guy is a maphacker and that's pretty obvious.he moves his stalkers right to the drops while he has absolutely no information on what's going on on the map because of no obs, no scouting at all. he also go straight to the marauder behind the xel naga tower to kill it. he also stay very prepared to the front incoming attack before it comes on third base. this guy is a maphacker and it's 100% obvious if you dont agree with that you should be totally blind, stupid or be a friend of him or even himself.

I agree with you lol... this guy is a maphacker and that's pretty obvious.he moves his stalkers right to the drops while he has absolutely no information on what's going on on the map because of no obs, no scouting at all. he also go straight to the marauder behind the xel naga tower to kill it. he also stay very prepared to the front incoming attack before it comes on third base. this guy is a maphacker and it's 100% obvious if you dont agree with that you should be totally blind, stupid or be a friend of him or even himself.

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Description: Throughout the course of this replay, perfect phoenix harrass early on, always avoids units. I will list all of the time stamps, as well as corresponding time stamps to his VOD that show suspicious action.



There are also suspicious waypoint rallies consistently in this game that consistently match-up with opponent unit pathing through the fog of war. In other words, WinterSC units will suddenly all be waypointed to a single point and then a second point past that point that correspond with either my destination point of my units, and with cloaked units through the fog of war.



The most damning evidence i found starts at the 11:10-11-35 marks in the replay where if you watch closely going on very slow you will note Winter never moves his screen to the right most observer. The observer also never comes into vision range on top of that. Yet at the 11:28-11:29 mark you will see the strange way point command with the secondary destination point that is instantly put on top of my observer from the mini-map while Winter's screen is near his natural base, not to mention you cannot see cloaked units on the mini-map.



The same thing happens multiple times in the game, earlier on in the game phoenix use this waypoint command and are set on the pathing of an observer, then it is done at my third base again set to pathing on a probe through the fog of war, then with the two observers starting at 11:14-11:16 high templar are warped in at my natural on the pathing of my left most observer to where my obs destination point is, and then again with a hallucinated phoenix that has the same waypointed command set on a path with the left most observer, and of course the observer on the right side of the map is the most blatant.



My own analysis is here on my VOD:

Starting time of Analysis: 13:20

End Time of Analysis: 2:15:54



Replay:

VOD Of Opponent During the Game:

Starting Time of the Game Played: 4:01:40



Here are time stamps of my initial replay analysis with thoughts (i also go over all of these in my VOD):



6:00

goes for gas probes, then clicks through fog of war instead to probe he cannot see, then suddenly changes his mind and goes back to the gas probes (phoenix clicked exactly to the probe)



6:04

clicks almost directly on/near the MSC. Not unusual that MSC is between bases, but he goes straight to it



7:30

the 100% evidence: phoenixes selected by winter to kill probe leaving enemy natural, then...



7:35

his screen locks in place as he perfectly adjusts phoenix pathing towards the probe. Note he does not click

to go scout the third from the start...he is following the probe through the fog of war. This is not a "random" catch that normally would happen like when a player would send their phoenix to the third to scout it



9:23

All game long winter is willing to blindly send his phoenix in...suddenly when another probe is en route to third his phoenix this time are purposely rallied solely to the third to kill the probe again



9:33

he has no idea where my phoenix were last at, main? natural? The moment i select my phoenix at 9:33, he selects his and moves his away as if he knows mine are on the way and then suddenly decides it's now safe to hit the natural?



10:35

no vision of the entire map, no timing on anythingas my units get closer to his natural be begins to select his stalkers repeatedly



10:36

starts to move his stalkers towards the direction i click my phoenix? similar command is queued up here to the one previously at 9:23 where he had queued phoenix movement in anticipation of a probe...same command done here and cancelled in same fashion



10:39

screen lock again...? He was microing without even looking at this units? What?



11:16

winter's templar are warping and and all of the for some reason are waypointed to his natural...

Check my observer in the center of the map and where it is headed to...



The templar are all rallied to the point near where my

observer end path point is.



11:23

Screen locks at his natural as he then suddenly selects all stalkers and right clicks towards the observer which of course not only can he not detect, it is not even in range of his nexus or units in the fog of war.



11:24

the only scout/hallucinated phoenix makes the entire game is perfectly timed/pathed to cross paths with the

observer coming down the center of the map.



Phoenix is also way pointed to what looks random at firstbut was a previous location near the observer's pathing



There is no reason to waypoint the phoenix in this nature ever which means it is automated with the hack winter is using



Whatever hack this may be can possibly re-orient and set units on a path that will be to the intended destination

of an opponent's unit?



11:28-11:29

The third time this strange command has been issued this game with his units. Keep in mind since 11:23 winter has not

ever visually seen on his screen the observer blip.



His screen is at his natural and he warps in a stalker. He then immediately has all of his stalkers selected and they all are instantly commanded to the exact pinpoint location of where the observer is on the mini-map, which of course is impossible because Winter never ever had his camera anywhere near the observer in the first place to have seen it



Bonus Round:

Winter's VOD:

http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/v/4011909



Starting from 4:06:41:

Every time he selects phoenixes to move them his eyes change

direction looking at map for where my units are or are not



Notice when he goes back to base to macro normally his focus

is entirely on buildings, looks at main monitor...



Then every time he goes to harrass he is looking at an

entirely different monitor? ????



4:06:51

Winter Selects phoenixes, eyes immediately shift to looking

at mini map



4:07:11

Attention focuses momentarily to macro face forward as normal



4:07:12

Head suddenly shifts again to look at other monitor? map?

Checking for position of my units, another successful harrass



4:07:17

Focused back on main monitor, goes to macro



4:07:20

Attention back on phoenixes



4:07:32

Back to macroing...



4:07:33

Head turns immediately now to check mini-map/2nd monitor for

position of my units



4:07:39

This will no repeatedly happen any time he goes to harrass

and selects his phoenixes, he will look off to the left

(from his perspective).



4:07:36

Looks off to the left again checking mini-map/monitor/hack

for position of my units to see if safe to phoenix harrass



Once again, perfectly avoids all units



4:08:07

Selects phoenixes starts clicking around, then eyes again

go to his left to check mini-map/hack/monitor



Once again, perfectly avoid all units that had sent back

to the natural.



4:08:35

Again, eyes to the left after selecting phoenixes



4:08:33

Looks like he looks off at the probe?



4:08:38

Phoenixes selected again, eyes shift way left again looking

off to check where my units are again.



Third time, 100% avoids all my units. Choosing correct base

for PHoenix to harrass



4:09:02

He is bouncing phoenix between base, but checks his

mini-map/hack/monitor just to make sure it's safe.



Once again perfectly avoids army.



4:09:14

He immediately looks off to the left again, has his phoenix

selected while screen is between his main and natural





----------------------------------------------------

***************

VOD Time: 4:09:17 Game Time: 7:30

This was the first very blatant moment i found from the

replay analysis of him following a unit through the fog of

war.

***************

Watching the VOD after confirms that he immediately selects

his phoenixes and his eyes veer off as has occurred every

single time he does a 100% successful phoenix harrass.



VOD Time: 4:09:20 Game Time: 7:33

All phoenixes selected, begins to look off to the left again



VOD Time: 4:09:23 Game Time: 7:36

As he follows my probe through the fog of war he begins

looking more to the left again



*******************************************************

VOD Time: 4:09:35 Game Time 7:48

For the first time while harrassing with phoenixes, he does

not look off to the left at his second monitor/hack and he

runs into my phoenixes/stalkers this time.



This is the one time during the VOD he does not turn his eyes left and it is the only time he predicts wrong on where my units are.

*****************************************************



VOD Time: 4:09:47 Game Time: 8:00

Phoenixes selected, ready to harrass...



VOD Time: 4:09:50 Game Time: 8:03

He again looks to his mini-map/monitor/hack to check for

where my units are or are not



VOD Time: 4:10:44 Game Time: 8:57

Phoenixes selected, he looks off to left at mini-map/hack

monitor to see where is safe to harrass



VOD Time: 4:10:45 Game Time: 8:58

Initially chooses to go to natural



*********************************

VOD Time: 4:10:59 Game Time: 9:13

Phoenixes selected, immediately looks off to mini-map/hack

monitor again to see where is safe to harrass?

*********************************



VOD Time: 4:11:09 Game Time: 9:22

Phoenixes selected, looking again to the left



******************************

VOD Time: 4:11:12 Game Time: 9:26

Again, the video perfectly matches up to the initial replay

analysis of him sending these phoenix specifically to snipe

the probe going to my third.



He even looks off to the left as the probe is about to get

within vision.



Eyes immediately look away from the probe when it does come

into vision...Ooops Winter?



VOD Time: 4:11:28 Game Time: 9:41

Again, this time eyes go to the right as he watches my units

on the left side of the map.



Perfectly avoids all phoenixes which he had no map vision

of for quite a while. This is the 4th time in a row he has

guessed correctly on his harrass. He had actually made

a beeline towards the natural after looking off screen

and identifying my phoenix were out of position.



VOD Time: 4:11:40 Game Time: 9:53

No vision of my phoenixes...why is he suddenly smiling? He

has not seen my phoenixes coming for his phoenix yet.



What he probably does know is that my phoenix upgrade has

finished and he is about to get caught (in multiple ways).



He starts his change in expression before the phoenix are

even on map/on screen.



************************************ Most Damning

VOD Time: 4:12:23 Game Time: 10:37

Just as previously whenever harrassing with phoenix he looks

off to the left to check where my units are positioned...



He looks to the left as my units are about to reach his ramp,

and this time in the game matches up perfectly with my

initial replay analysis of this moment.



VOD Time: 4:12:24 Game Time: 10:38

He now is again looking off to the left which we can conclude

at this point is into the fog of war at my units as well

as his screen about to be locked.



VOD Time: 4:12:25 Game Time: 10:38/10:39

As with the initial replay analysis, Winter's screen moves

down and locks, as he is looking at my army right outside

of his natural, and he is instantly ready to grab his army

************************************



VOD Time: 4:13:05 Game Time 11:18

Eyes shift again to the left and he seems to know obs is

nearby that he cannot see (never came in vision)



VOD Time: 4:13:15 Game Time: 11:29

The most obvious looks off to the side again, then units all

way pointed onto the observer which he should not even know

is on the map (check the replay analysis)



His cursor jumps to the observer location. Then his units

fumble around.



4:18:09 VS HUK

Eyes to the left before Huk's proxy probe is even in vision on mini-map? He sees proxy, decides to not even check for it? OK



--------------------------------------

As mentioned and linked, i went over this on stream, i would like people's opinions here from TL. Once again, the most obvious suspicious action and impossible one to me is the one at 11:29 where his stalkers are insta rallied to an observer he's never seen with pin point accuracy from off screen while his screen is still at his natural base.



Also edit:

I do not have SC2 gears, but i would appreciate if someone could check the points in the game on SC2 gears where there is the weird way point command into secondary point, something may come up there.



Hacker name: WinterSCServer: NALeague: N/ADescription: Throughout the course of this replay, perfect phoenix harrass early on, always avoids units. I will list all of the time stamps, as well as corresponding time stamps to his VOD that show suspicious action.There are also suspicious waypoint rallies consistently in this game that consistently match-up with opponent unit pathing through the fog of war. In other words, WinterSC units will suddenly all be waypointed to a single point and then a second point past that point that correspond with either my destination point of my units, and with cloaked units through the fog of war.The most damning evidence i found starts at the 11:10-11-35 marks in the replay where if you watch closely going on very slow you will note Winter never moves his screen to the right most observer. The observer also never comes into vision range on top of that. Yet at the 11:28-11:29 mark you will see the strange way point command with the secondary destination point that is instantly put on top of my observer from the mini-map while Winter's screen is near his natural base, not to mention you cannot see cloaked units on the mini-map.The same thing happens multiple times in the game, earlier on in the game phoenix use this waypoint command and are set on the pathing of an observer, then it is done at my third base again set to pathing on a probe through the fog of war, then with the two observers starting at 11:14-11:16 high templar are warped in at my natural on the pathing of my left most observer to where my obs destination point is, and then again with a hallucinated phoenix that has the same waypointed command set on a path with the left most observer, and of course the observer on the right side of the map is the most blatant.My own analysis is here on my VOD: http://www.twitch.tv/avilo/v/4017010 Starting time of Analysis: 13:20End Time of Analysis: 2:15:54Replay: http://drop.sc/395918 VOD Of Opponent During the Game: http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/v/4011909 Starting Time of the Game Played: 4:01:40Here are time stamps of my initial replay analysis with thoughts (i also go over all of these in my VOD):6:00goes for gas probes, then clicks through fog of war instead to probe he cannot see, then suddenly changes his mind and goes back to the gas probes (phoenix clicked exactly to the probe)6:04clicks almost directly on/near the MSC. Not unusual that MSC is between bases, but he goes straight to it7:30the 100% evidence: phoenixes selected by winter to kill probe leaving enemy natural, then...7:35his screen locks in place as he perfectly adjusts phoenix pathing towards the probe. Note he does not clickto go scout the third from the start...he is following the probe through the fog of war. This is not a "random" catch that normally would happen like when a player would send their phoenix to the third to scout it9:23All game long winter is willing to blindly send his phoenix in...suddenly when another probe is en route to third his phoenix this time are purposely rallied solely to the third to kill the probe again9:33he has no idea where my phoenix were last at, main? natural? The moment i select my phoenix at 9:33, he selects his and moves his away as if he knows mine are on the way and then suddenly decides it's now safe to hit the natural?10:35no vision of the entire map, no timing on anythingas my units get closer to his natural be begins to select his stalkers repeatedly10:36starts to move his stalkers towards the direction i click my phoenix? similar command is queued up here to the one previously at 9:23 where he had queued phoenix movement in anticipation of a probe...same command done here and cancelled in same fashion10:39screen lock again...? He was microing without even looking at this units? What?11:16winter's templar are warping and and all of the for some reason are waypointed to his natural...Check my observer in the center of the map and where it is headed to...The templar are all rallied to the point near where myobserver end path point is.11:23Screen locks at his natural as he then suddenly selects all stalkers and right clicks towards the observer which of course not only can he not detect, it is not even in range of his nexus or units in the fog of war.11:24the only scout/hallucinated phoenix makes the entire game is perfectly timed/pathed to cross paths with theobserver coming down the center of the map.Phoenix is also way pointed to what looks random at firstbut was a previous location near the observer's pathingThere is no reason to waypoint the phoenix in this nature ever which means it is automated with the hack winter is usingWhatever hack this may be can possibly re-orient and set units on a path that will be to the intended destinationof an opponent's unit?11:28-11:29The third time this strange command has been issued this game with his units. Keep in mind since 11:23 winter has notever visually seen on his screen the observer blip.His screen is at his natural and he warps in a stalker. He then immediately has all of his stalkers selected and they all are instantly commanded to the exact pinpoint location of where the observer is on the mini-map, which of course is impossible because Winter never ever had his camera anywhere near the observer in the first place to have seen itBonus Round:Winter's VOD:Starting from 4:06:41:Every time he selects phoenixes to move them his eyes changedirection looking at map for where my units are or are notNotice when he goes back to base to macro normally his focusis entirely on buildings, looks at main monitor...Then every time he goes to harrass he is looking at anentirely different monitor? ????4:06:51Winter Selects phoenixes, eyes immediately shift to lookingat mini map4:07:11Attention focuses momentarily to macro face forward as normal4:07:12Head suddenly shifts again to look at other monitor? map?Checking for position of my units, another successful harrass4:07:17Focused back on main monitor, goes to macro4:07:20Attention back on phoenixes4:07:32Back to macroing...4:07:33Head turns immediately now to check mini-map/2nd monitor forposition of my units4:07:39This will no repeatedly happen any time he goes to harrassand selects his phoenixes, he will look off to the left(from his perspective).4:07:36Looks off to the left again checking mini-map/monitor/hackfor position of my units to see if safe to phoenix harrassOnce again, perfectly avoids all units4:08:07Selects phoenixes starts clicking around, then eyes againgo to his left to check mini-map/hack/monitorOnce again, perfectly avoid all units that had sent backto the natural.4:08:35Again, eyes to the left after selecting phoenixes4:08:33Looks like he looks off at the probe?4:08:38Phoenixes selected again, eyes shift way left again lookingoff to check where my units are again.Third time, 100% avoids all my units. Choosing correct basefor PHoenix to harrass4:09:02He is bouncing phoenix between base, but checks hismini-map/hack/monitor just to make sure it's safe.Once again perfectly avoids army.4:09:14He immediately looks off to the left again, has his phoenixselected while screen is between his main and natural----------------------------------------------------***************VOD Time: 4:09:17 Game Time: 7:30This was the first very blatant moment i found from thereplay analysis of him following a unit through the fog ofwar.***************Watching the VOD after confirms that he immediately selectshis phoenixes and his eyes veer off as has occurred everysingle time he does a 100% successful phoenix harrass.VOD Time: 4:09:20 Game Time: 7:33All phoenixes selected, begins to look off to the left againVOD Time: 4:09:23 Game Time: 7:36As he follows my probe through the fog of war he beginslooking more to the left again*******************************************************VOD Time: 4:09:35 Game Time 7:48For the first time while harrassing with phoenixes, he doesnot look off to the left at his second monitor/hack and heruns into my phoenixes/stalkers this time.This is the one time during the VOD he does not turn his eyes left and it is the only time he predicts wrong on where my units are.*****************************************************VOD Time: 4:09:47 Game Time: 8:00Phoenixes selected, ready to harrass...VOD Time: 4:09:50 Game Time: 8:03He again looks to his mini-map/monitor/hack to check forwhere my units are or are notVOD Time: 4:10:44 Game Time: 8:57Phoenixes selected, he looks off to left at mini-map/hackmonitor to see where is safe to harrassVOD Time: 4:10:45 Game Time: 8:58Initially chooses to go to natural*********************************VOD Time: 4:10:59 Game Time: 9:13Phoenixes selected, immediately looks off to mini-map/hackmonitor again to see where is safe to harrass?*********************************VOD Time: 4:11:09 Game Time: 9:22Phoenixes selected, looking again to the left******************************VOD Time: 4:11:12 Game Time: 9:26Again, the video perfectly matches up to the initial replayanalysis of him sending these phoenix specifically to snipethe probe going to my third.He even looks off to the left as the probe is about to getwithin vision.Eyes immediately look away from the probe when it does comeinto vision...Ooops Winter?VOD Time: 4:11:28 Game Time: 9:41Again, this time eyes go to the right as he watches my unitson the left side of the map.Perfectly avoids all phoenixes which he had no map visionof for quite a while. This is the 4th time in a row he hasguessed correctly on his harrass. He had actually madea beeline towards the natural after looking off screenand identifying my phoenix were out of position.VOD Time: 4:11:40 Game Time: 9:53No vision of my phoenixes...why is he suddenly smiling? Hehas not seen my phoenixes coming for his phoenix yet.What he probably does know is that my phoenix upgrade hasfinished and he is about to get caught (in multiple ways).He starts his change in expression before the phoenix areeven on map/on screen.************************************ Most DamningVOD Time: 4:12:23 Game Time: 10:37Just as previously whenever harrassing with phoenix he looksoff to the left to check where my units are positioned...He looks to the left as my units are about to reach his ramp,and this time in the game matches up perfectly with myinitial replay analysis of this moment.VOD Time: 4:12:24 Game Time: 10:38He now is again looking off to the left which we can concludeat this point is into the fog of war at my units as wellas his screen about to be locked.VOD Time: 4:12:25 Game Time: 10:38/10:39As with the initial replay analysis, Winter's screen movesdown and locks, as he is looking at my army right outsideof his natural, and he is instantly ready to grab his army************************************VOD Time: 4:13:05 Game Time 11:18Eyes shift again to the left and he seems to know obs isnearby that he cannot see (never came in vision)VOD Time: 4:13:15 Game Time: 11:29The most obvious looks off to the side again, then units allway pointed onto the observer which he should not even knowis on the map (check the replay analysis)His cursor jumps to the observer location. Then his unitsfumble around.4:18:09 VS HUKEyes to the left before Huk's proxy probe is even in vision on mini-map? He sees proxy, decides to not even check for it? OK--------------------------------------As mentioned and linked, i went over this on stream, i would like people's opinions here from TL. Once again, the most obvious suspicious action and impossible one to me is the one at 11:29 where his stalkers are insta rallied to an observer he's never seen with pin point accuracy from off screen while his screen is still at his natural base.Also edit:I do not have SC2 gears, but i would appreciate if someone could check the points in the game on SC2 gears where there is the weird way point command into secondary point, something may come up there. Sup

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