Waxangel Profile Blog Joined September 2002 United States 29167 Posts Last Edited: 2018-11-09 16:35:35 #1



Dark's post on his TGD/T'gether, a streamer community site



I got back safely yesterday evening. Man, I learned and felt a lot at this BlizzCon. I'm bitter that I lost, but on the other hand it's a huge source of motivation, so I don't feel too regretful or sad about it. I'll talk about it more on tomorrow's stream~



Thanks for cheering me on for another year. I'll work harder next year to grow as a player and get better results, and try to take on Serral as the challenger. I'm able to keep going forward because everyone keeps showing that they care about me and cheering me on.



Thank you, I love you~ Ofc I love my girlfriend more~ Cya tomorrow~



Highlight/summary of Dark's stream, curated by me



Serral: Dark said Serral is like a machine, in the sense that he doesn't make mistakes. Dark speculated the way to beat him might be to take him to the late game and just overwhelm him with better mechanics [cue foreign Zerg pros going ???????????]. When chat mentioned that it seemed Rogue was doing okay vs Serral in macro games, Dark noted that Rogue's hands are a biiiiit on the slow side.



Has: Has didn't practice on site, so it was f***ing scary for Dark going up against him. "He wasn't even warming up, so he must be SUPER confident. I might lose, there must be a reason for that confidence." Hours later, he threw crazy shade at Has after losing to Has' cannon rushes on the ladder. "Well I went pool-first vs him at BlizzCon, thinking I couldn't lose against someone so f***ing bad. I could 12 pool into macro and win."



Stats vs Serral: Dark thought it was Stats' series to win. He was frustrated seeing all the Protoss units getting abducted on Para Site. Dark joked that he should play Protoss, because he would have positioned his Templars better to feedback the Vipers.



Mocking/Praising Classic: Dark thought perhaps Classic could have won the finals, because Classic is the very essence of Protoss in being a player who makes you rage.



The "real story" of why Classic got eliminated: Classic didn't know who he was going to face in his group decider match, so he was just laddering on NA. However, Dark said NA ladder is totally worthless for practice, because everyone on NA is so terrible. Thus, Dark asked Classic if he'd just help him practice for ShoWTimE instead, which would be better warm-up. However, Classic just refused to help Dark and kept on laddering. At that moment, Dark knew he was going to lose in group decider match. And it showed in the match—Classic didn't play like Classic, which means his hands weren't moving the way they normally do.



Funny moment: Dark said he needed to stop bashing Blizzard on stream and generally needed to stop cursing so much—Blizzard Korea people told him that Blizzard HQ watch his stream so he should tone it down. "Yeah I think I'll start toning it down"—*Protoss starts cannons in his natural*—"you son of a bitch."



Is SC2 still fun?



"StarCraft II? It's been forever since it stopped being 'fun.' You think I'm still looking for fun? Any time your hobby becomes your job, it's not fun anymore. Try playing games 15 hours a day, 10+ hours a day all the time, the same game every day. See if that's still fun."



On breaking the ice with Zest and talking trash: Dark managed to stop using honorifics with Zest at BlizzCon (basically means they became a bit friendlier), although it's still a bit awkward between them. Chat pointed out that he's thrown shade at Zest and sOs in the past; Dark said that trash talking is all 'business' and insisted that he's a good guy IRL.



Dark has been an unusually outspoken progamer throughout his career, and he provided a lot of fun at BlizzCon by taunting Serral and downplaying his abilities. After suffering a 0-3 loss to Serral in the quarterfinals, Dark returned home and shared some of his thoughts on his experience.Dark said Serral is like a machine, in the sense that he doesn't make mistakes. Dark speculated the way to beat him might be to take him to the late game and just overwhelm him with better mechanics. When chat mentioned that it seemed Rogue was doing okay vs Serral in macro games, Dark noted that Rogue's hands are a biiiiit on the slow side.Has didn't practice on site, so it was f***ing scary for Dark going up against him. "He wasn't even warming up, so he must be SUPER confident. I might lose, there must be a reason for that confidence." Hours later, he threw crazy shade at Has after losing to Has' cannon rushes on the ladder. "Well I went pool-first vs him at BlizzCon, thinking I couldn't lose against someone so f***ing bad. I could 12 pool into macro and win."Dark thought it was Stats' series to win. He was frustrated seeing all the Protoss units getting abducted on Para Site. Dark joked that he should play Protoss, because he would have positioned his Templars better to feedback the Vipers.Dark thought perhaps Classic could have won the finals, because Classic is the very essence of Protoss in being a player who makes you rage.The "real story" of why Classic got eliminated: Classic didn't know who he was going to face in his group decider match, so he was just laddering on NA. However, Dark said NA ladder is totally worthless for practice, because everyone on NA is so terrible. Thus, Dark asked Classic if he'd just help him practice for ShoWTimE instead, which would be better warm-up. However, Classic just refused to help Dark and kept on laddering. At that moment, Dark knew he was going to lose in group decider match. And it showed in the match—Classic didn't play like Classic, which means his hands weren't moving the way they normally do.Dark said he needed to stop bashing Blizzard on stream and generally needed to stop cursing so much—Blizzard Korea people told him that Blizzard HQ watch his stream so he should tone it down. "Yeah I think I'll start toning it down"—*Protoss starts cannons in his natural*—"you son of a bitch.""StarCraft II? It's been forever since it stopped being 'fun.' You think I'm still looking for fun? Any time your hobby becomes your job, it's not fun anymore. Try playing games 15 hours a day, 10+ hours a day all the time, the same game every day. See if that's still fun."Dark managed to stop using honorifics with Zest at BlizzCon (basically means they became a bit friendlier), although it's still a bit awkward between them. Chat pointed out that he's thrown shade at Zest and sOs in the past; Dark said that trash talking is all 'business' and insisted that he's a good guy IRL. Administrator Hey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?

midhigh Profile Joined July 2018 44 Posts #2 You cannot hate this guy. He is so much fun to watch and read. I like his takes on Classic, and would have been interesting to hear about Maru vs sOs game. Also his comments on Rogue makes me think what the (top) players thinking about each other.

Musicus Profile Joined August 2011 Germany 23393 Posts #3



maybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzardmaybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it Maru and Serral are probably top 5.

FrostedMiniWheats Profile Joined August 2010 United States 30729 Posts #4 Serral Iron Shiek'd his ass xD NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever

StasisField Profile Joined August 2013 United States 311 Posts #5 I love Dark's attitude. His cocky arrogance both pre-game and post-game are things that make his matches that much more enjoyable. Whether it's him losing to Serral and eating his own words or completely dominating and making that confidence look well earned, I'll always be entertained by a Dark match What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?

Hvvacha Profile Joined April 2018 73 Posts #6 On November 09 2018 03:31 Musicus wrote:

hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzard



maybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzardmaybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it



what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad. what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad.

JimmyJRaynor Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Canada 14081 Posts Last Edited: 2018-11-08 18:51:49 #7

thanks for posting this... this is fascinating stuff. On November 09 2018 03:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

Serral Iron Shiek'd his ass xD

who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes. who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes. Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"

Musicus Profile Joined August 2011 Germany 23393 Posts Last Edited: 2018-11-08 19:04:29 #8 On November 09 2018 03:47 Hvvacha wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 09 2018 03:31 Musicus wrote:

hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzard



maybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzardmaybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it



what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad. what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad.

Not really sure, I don't follow avilo's stream. But from what I've seen in clips he calls his opponents cheaters even when they are cleary not cheating and talks trash about players like Maru, calls them bad, says they copy him (even zerg pros copy him ?!?). That's clearly different from Dark, who doesn't accuse people of cheating and is allowed to talk trash due to his skill/achievements.



When avilo complains about balance or blizzard I really don't mind it, he had some solid posts on TL before imo. Not really sure, I don't follow avilo's stream. But from what I've seen in clips he calls his opponents cheaters even when they are cleary not cheating and talks trash about players like Maru, calls them bad, says they copy him (even zerg pros copy him ?!?). That's clearly different from Dark, who doesn't accuse people of cheating and is allowed to talk trash due to his skill/achievements.When avilo complains about balance or blizzard I really don't mind it, he had some solid posts on TL before imo. Maru and Serral are probably top 5.

sneakyfox Profile Joined January 2017 6858 Posts #9 Thanks for the translation! Really enjoy when you post these. "I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG

DSK Profile Blog Joined February 2015 England 1067 Posts #10 Great insight, thank you. Seems like Classic of all people went full NA. **@ YT: SC2POVs at https://www.youtube.com/c/SC2POVsTV | SC2 First-person POV archive of 7,500+ VODs @**

Nakajin Profile Blog Joined September 2014 Canada 6579 Posts #11 The part on Has is hilarious http://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg

FrostedMiniWheats Profile Joined August 2010 United States 30729 Posts #12 On November 09 2018 03:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

thanks for posting this... this is fascinating stuff.

Show nested quote +

On November 09 2018 03:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

Serral Iron Shiek'd his ass xD

who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes. thanks for posting this... this is fascinating stuff.who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes.



Dark is the guy who got, "humbled". Although, not really based on this interview Dark is the guy who got, "humbled". Although, not really based on this interview NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever

Edulis Profile Joined July 2018 United States 21 Posts #13 F Yes Dark fan forever!!! Gotta love him for bringing something different to the rather polite Korean scene. (Btw the way in my humble trash player opinion, I think the key to beat serral is to pay special attetion to block scouting. Most games I've seen serral lost were games where he's caught off-guard. Without his ability to judge the situation, he would be just another EU zerg with good mechanics.)

Psychonian Profile Joined March 2012 United States 2314 Posts #14 "yeah i think I'll start toning it down" -cannon rush- "you son of a bitch



god I have never heard a bigger zerg mood, this is why i love dark Trans Rights

yubo56 Profile Joined May 2014 494 Posts #15 On November 09 2018 04:24 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 09 2018 03:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

thanks for posting this... this is fascinating stuff.

On November 09 2018 03:42 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:

Serral Iron Shiek'd his ass xD

who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes. thanks for posting this... this is fascinating stuff.who was Dark in this analogy then? Bob Backlund? Backlund didn't quit; his manager Arnold Skoland threw in the towel against his wishes.



Dark is the guy who got, "humbled". Although, not really based on this interview Dark is the guy who got, "humbled". Although, not really based on this interview



Dark said Serral is like a machine, in the sense that he doesn't make mistakes.



He sounds pretty respectful here, how much more humbled would you expect he be? He also only "speculates" (could be translation artifact) about how to beat Serral, implying he's not really sure how to. I don't think it would be very like any entertainer, let alone Dark, mope about on stream over their loss, it seems like about as much respect as you can give short of stating explicitly "he's a better player than me". But Dark kinda already implies it I think He sounds pretty respectful here, how much more humbled would you expect he be? He also only "speculates" (could be translation artifact) about how to beat Serral, implying he's not really sure how to. I don't think it would be very like any entertainer, let alone Dark, mope about on stream over their loss, it seems like about as much respect as you can give short of stating explicitly "he's a better player than me". But Dark kinda already implies it I think Jung Yoon Jong fighting, even after retirement! Feel better soon.

ZigguratOfUr Profile Blog Joined April 2012 Iraq 16056 Posts #16 Taking it to the late-game and trying to out-mechanic Serral is an... interesting strategy. Maps I made recently: Nevermore: https://i.imgur.com/NiqR0Rj.jpg | Rubaiyat: https://i.imgur.com/XD3E3vd.jpg | Grand Canal: https://i.imgur.com/kNgyOCo.jpg

xtorn Profile Blog Joined December 2013 4048 Posts #17



incredible how things have changed, Koreans trying to find ways to win



Dark fighting! <3



"Dark said Serral is like a machine, in the sense that he doesn't make mistakes. Dark speculated the way to beat him might be to take him to the late game and just overwhelm him with better mechanics"incredible how things have changed, Koreans trying to find ways to winDark fighting! <3 Life - forever the Legend in my heart

Shuffleblade Profile Joined February 2012 Sweden 1830 Posts #18 This was a fun read, thanks for sharing Wax! Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!

Mun_Su Profile Joined December 2012 France 2063 Posts #19 Thanks for sharing and translating, good read INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK

Fango Profile Joined July 2016 United Kingdom 7762 Posts #20 On November 09 2018 03:47 Hvvacha wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 09 2018 03:31 Musicus wrote:

hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzard



maybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it hahaha oh Dark, even a bit awkward with other korean players from throwing shade and getting warnings from blizzardmaybe tone it down a bit, but I can't say I dislike it



what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad. what about avilo etc, when someone like him acting similar it's suddenly bad.

Dark doesn't accuse people of cheating and doesn't frequently use insults and childish language towards other players when he loses.



Also trash talk is just more appropriate when you're actually good. Dark doesn't accuse people of cheating and doesn't frequently use insults and childish language towards other players when he loses.Also trash talk is just more appropriate when you're actually good. Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs

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