Lime - Today at 10:07 AM

I'm gonna be gone this weekend

don't kill me or the empire

but here's what I'd like to do:

Aimerais - Today at 10:08 AM

settle

Lime - Today at 10:08 AM

1. Gift 10 of our outdated Units to Sumer, directly into the Sahara.

2. Declare war on Burma

3. To replace those 10 units we just lost, buy 9 Musketmen

4. No, for the love of god, don't settle. There is no fucking point. Just take the damn Burmese cities.

Aimerais - Today at 10:08 AM

(I was joking)

Lime - Today at 10:08 AM

what do you think

Aimerais - Today at 10:09 AM

Not bad

Lime - Today at 10:09 AM

Also, since Lhasa isn't cooperative

Aimerais - Today at 10:09 AM

couple questions

Lime - Today at 10:09 AM

just annex them

Aimerais - Today at 10:09 AM

did you get a PM?

Lime - Today at 10:09 AM

no

Aimerais - Today at 10:09 AM

annexation sounds good

neither did I'

Lime - Today at 10:09 AM

might've been rocco

I'll ask Canadian

Aimerais - Today at 10:10 AM

couple comments:(edited)

1. How do we justify this war, right after we made such a big fuss about peace?

2. We should have really just declared war. End of story.

3. More communication with Sumer would have been good.

Lime changed the channel name: Qin HQToday at 10:10 AM

Aimerais - Today at 10:11 AM

4. We have 2 Honor policies left

so we should purchase one(edited)

Lime - Today at 10:11 AM

1. Because we're upset they're breaking peace. Maybe a change in Foreign Policy doctrine to be more militaristic? Again?

2. Yep.

3. I'll talk more with Briusky next time, our only link currently is Reformer

I'll expand that

but tbh, I can't do that this weekend

won't have a computer

Aimerais - Today at 10:12 AM

"LHASA TELLS ZHOU TO STUFF IT."

haha

Lime - Today at 10:13 AM

If we have Bagan when I get back

I'll be extremely happy

Aimerais - Today at 10:13 AM

How about if we don't have Bagan?

And as a non-Civ player

I suppose @AceSevenFive or @General Nortarus is going to have to explain various concepts to me(edited)

oh well

restinpizzas - Today at 11:05 AM

do I own any cities in the empire?

Aimerais - Today at 11:05 AM

@restinpizzas We can re-do city division

I hope you're not thinking of revolt :wink:

restinpizzas - Today at 11:06 AM

naaaah dont worry i have never revolted in the past

Aimerais - Today at 11:07 AM

yet

just a word of advice

revolts almost never go through

this one is like . . . what . . . the second successful one?

The first successful revolt was in Mk. 1

that's it!

Anyway, I'll make up a list

Aimerais - Today at 12:25 PM

OK @Lime

We have agreed to arbitration

But we also plan to DOW this part

How do we reconcile this?

Lime - Today at 12:27 PM

delay tactics

our DP triggers with Burma

with sumer*

we honor our friends and stuff

Aimerais - Today at 12:28 PM

But Burma didn't declare war

it's difficult to explain this, @Lime

Lime - Today at 12:47 PM

Burma didn't declare war

but we want to help our allies

Aimerais - Today at 12:47 PM

so the defensive pact doesn't trigger

Look, after founding the International Court

and immediately subverting it

it's going to look odd

Lime - Today at 12:47 PM

but the time is right to take Burma

Aimerais - Today at 12:47 PM

I agree with you

but we need to justify it

otherwise, we'll look really, really bad

we need some kind of explanation

do have you any ideas?

@everyone

Lime - Today at 12:49 PM

no, and I have a lot to do today

and not enough time to do it

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:49 PM

We need to do this

Aimerais - Today at 12:49 PM

but we need to come up with a solution

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:49 PM

And maybe cripple them in someway

Aimerais - Today at 12:49 PM

The International Court is going to look rather bad

after this

Lime - Today at 12:49 PM

I trust you to come up with one.

all of you guys

but I have stuff to do in real life

so I got to go

Okay?

Aimerais - Today at 12:50 PM

sounds good

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:50 PM

I have a ludicrous idea to slow them down quite a bit. We use our plots for what we need, and contract an assassination

Aimerais - Today at 12:50 PM

mm-hm

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:50 PM

I could try to work with fricking Ignus

And get a good deal

Aimerais - Today at 12:50 PM

NO

pls no

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:51 PM

Okay no

Get an assassination from someone

Try to contract

Aimerais - Today at 12:51 PM

with whom?

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:51 PM

IDK

Aimerais - Today at 12:51 PM

Talleyrand?

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:52 PM

Ignus was my idea because he's good at this stuff and if we got the right deal, we could have the guy on a leash

Aimerais - Today at 12:52 PM

no

Ignus is good at this stuff

but he betrays whomever he works with

Here's what we can do.

1. Delay the peace treaty. Imply that since Empress @Lime is off scuba-diving, we can't sign it.

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:53 PM

What better place to have a turncoat then under our control

Aimerais - Today at 12:53 PM

2. Plot to flip some border cities.

3. Purchase more units. I think we have enough cities at this point.

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:53 PM

I had a crazy idea and could get him under our thumb with the right agreement

Aimerais - Today at 12:53 PM

sure, let's hear-it

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:54 PM

Everyone wants to kill the guy, right?

So what better for him than a sort of protection? Sanctuary in a border city WHICH CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME

Which means

We could revoke if he tries anything or refuses to do what we want

And kill him

If we wanted to

Or exile him

Aimerais - Today at 12:55 PM

nah, I wouldn't do it

Chairman Enigma - Today at 12:55 PM

It's a good idea. Get him under control, and use him to disrupt our enemies

Oh, Burma's fighting?

Cause some unrest/assassinate the emperor

Just keep him out in Siberia

And use him if the need arises

It's not foolproof, nothing is with Ignus, but we could have him on a leash

Until he's not needed/causing issues

It's not like I'm allowing him into Qin as a member

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:06 PM

Okay @everyone I had an insane idea to tip the war in our favor. This is insanely risky, but if it could work, we'd have an advantage.

We should try to cripple Burma while we go to war. And I had an idea. Contract freaking Ignus to assassinate someone/cause general unrest while we go to war. Here's my rudimentary idea, and I'll explain why:

Everyone wants to kill Ignus, right? So what does he want now? Safety. I propose we make a deal something like this with him:

-Ignus does whatever task we ask of him

-We offer him sanctuary in a Siberian city (far from the action and our major action) which can be revoked at any time

This sounds bad, but here's what this means.

Can be revoked at any time. It means if he tries anything, or refuses to do what we want him to, we can revoke it and exile/kill him. We could have the most dangerous single person in this game on a leash, to damage our enemies whenever we want to. And if he doesn't comply, he loses his only layer of protection from world governments. Think about it.

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:06 PM

I refuse to support subverting the International Court, an entity that I founded

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:07 PM

I'm not saying we ignore it, this is more domestic affairs. We just cause issues for Burma while we go to war with them

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:07 PM

so help me God if you all make the Court look bad

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:07 PM

FOreign, but with our enemies only

Aimerais - Today at 1:36 PM

@Chairman Enigma we should post on modmail

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:37 PM

AGreed

When I can, I'll put up the stuff about war and my idea

See what everyone thinks

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:37 PM

Also, as you are now Acting emperor, I hereby revoke your Emissary credentials

until monday

or until another person is voted in

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:38 PM

Alright

Aimerais - Today at 1:38 PM

all right

Now we must vote for Emissary

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:39 PM

I refuse to stand as I'm the court's secretary

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:39 PM

I will stand

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:40 PM

Anyone else?

Aimerais - Today at 1:40 PM

no one else is here :sob:

modmail

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:40 PM

I feel like we should exile people who don't join the discord

Until further notice, I appoint Enigma as Emissary

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:40 PM

Hmm

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:41 PM

https://discord.gg/evKz3

joined general

The International Court

join

When Lime returns we'll discuss if Aimerais wishes to return to his Emissary position

Aimerais - Today at 1:44 PM

Sure

now, back to the war vote

@AceSevenFive I understand that this is hypocritical and mildly slimy

but it's what we have to do

this is by far the best opportunity of the game

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:46 PM

Agreed

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:46 PM

I acknowledge that, but I cannot support actions that will undermine my efforts

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:46 PM

Which is why I advocate using Ignus

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:46 PM

I oppose declaring war on Burma

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:46 PM

To cripple them on the way(edited)

It's a good idea

And we also control him

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:47 PM

However, I will support moving to bring Ignus in as a WMD

if only to stop anyone else from recruiting him

Aimerais - Today at 1:47 PM

Just curious.

Suppose we were to declare war on Burma, @AceSevenFive

What would you do then?

as the founder of the Court

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:48 PM

Theoretically, the Court has no authority to charge you with anything

but with enough support that could change

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:49 PM

Are you suggesting turning the IC against your own government because you disagree with one decision?

Now THAT'S slimy

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:49 PM

The International Court is neutral, Enigma

also Talleyrand is the only person who actually can do that

Aimerais - Today at 1:49 PM

Our loyalty, as always,

is to Glorious Qin

other nations / organizations come second

Chairman Enigma - Today at 1:50 PM

Exactly

Aimerais - Today at 1:51 PM

@AceSevenFive Unfortunately, here's the flip side of Qin being a democracy

We generally don't display loyalty to anyone else

if it significantly harms us

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:52 PM

Shall I take that to indicate you are withdrawing your ratification of the Charter?

Aimerais - Today at 1:52 PM

no

AceSevenFive - Today at 1:55 PM

We'll discuss further once I get home from school

which is in about an hour or so

restinpizzas - Today at 2:00 PM

I definitely agree that this would be the best opportunity for us to DOW burma

Aimerais - Today at 2:01 PM

@restinpizzas That makes it 4-1 in favor

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:02 PM

@restinpizzas what about my idea with Ignus

Insane

But insanely rewarding if done right

restinpizzas - Today at 2:03 PM

if we can find a good reason for a DOW on burma then that wouldnt be needed

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:03 PM

I mean as a way to cripple Burma while we go to war

If there's chaos over there, and maybe flipped units

We have an advantage

restinpizzas - Today at 2:04 PM

from the looks of things our army would crush burma's

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:04 PM

We have an advantage

I'm honestly more concerned with what he gets from it

Sanctuary that can be revoked at any time

We could control the terrorism

Basically making Ignus into our weapon

restinpizzas - Today at 2:06 PM

he will find a way to make it benefit him and be problematic for us

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:07 PM

If he makes an issue

Exiled/executed

restinpizzas - Today at 2:07 PM

i dont think its worth the risk for a war we will win anyway

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:08 PM

It's a plan for the future

Controlling his last line of security gives us a weapon

Someone settled near us? Better send him in to flip

Lhasa tells us to stuff it?

Make an example of their leadership

restinpizzas - Today at 2:10 PM

why do we need ignus for these particular issues exactly?

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:10 PM

It's a free plot to use

And also

Control over an insanely destructive person

So he doesn't harm us

And harms our enemies

It's perfect

restinpizzas - Today at 2:11 PM

"Control over an insanely destructive person" i dont think it would be that easy

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:11 PM

He'd depend on us

For his own safety

Everyone else wants him dead

restinpizzas - Today at 2:11 PM

i think he just wants to cause chaos more than anything

any chance he would get to do that to the qin he would take

Chairman Enigma - Today at 2:12 PM

True, true

Aimerais - Today at 2:37 PM

Exactly