The vice presidential debate Tuesday night was a conventional affair between two conventional politicians — especially given what we’ve seen so far this election. After watching (and live-blogging) the debate between Democrat Tim Kaine and Republican Mike Pence, our elections podcast crew gathered to offer their late-night reactions. The team discussed the key moments, how Pence tried to account for Donald Trump’s record, and whether this will affect on the polls (it probably won’t). Take a listen above, and be sure to visit the live blog for lots more analysis.

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