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"Failure of ES&S Touch-Screen Voting System 'Should Not Have Been Possible,' Says Arkansas Official Where Election Outcome Was Reversed"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 5/30/2008 @ 4:52 pm PT...





I can't wait for the day fast eddy here in PA eggmits these f******* machines are in violation of our State Constitution!

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Sporty said on 5/30/2008 @ 4:54 pm PT...





what is the since of even talking about the voting fraud or the criminal crimes of this adminiatration, almost half of our democrats are really republicans or they just don't give a d... about our laws or the welfare or the citizens of this country or their voters.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/30/2008 @ 5:07 pm PT...





Re: Niger/Nigeria... I think you are right! Thank you.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/30/2008 @ 5:19 pm PT...





...though, if it had been up to me, I think I would have anglicized it "Nigerean" instead. Seems to emphasize the difference more... but they never leave this stuff up to me....

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 5/30/2008 @ 5:56 pm PT...





The Peter B show w/ Brad... Don't forget not only do voters forget to check the paper trail, there is still *NO GUARANTEE* that the paper trail will match what is on the memory chip!!!

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Paul said on 5/30/2008 @ 6:01 pm PT...





Have you heard the radio ads from the L.A. registrar of voters? It turns into a commercial for Ink-a-Vote and brags that the ad is paid for with HAVA funds!

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Jeff Softley said on 5/30/2008 @ 7:12 pm PT...





Obviously the software installed by the vote-fixers (Bush, Rove, Diebold, you name-em) is set to trigger after 50% have already been cast ... doesn't anyone remember how in the 2004 election the Florida numbers never budged their percentages for hours and hours?

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... bub said on 5/30/2008 @ 10:27 pm PT...





the aristocracy are own all your base! Americans are Fukd.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Carl Street said on 5/31/2008 @ 7:19 am PT...





"Vote Fraud" is show business designed to fool the ignorant into continuing to believe in the system. Only fools believe the problems with government result from who is in office. The problem is government itself! Welcome to reality. For nearly 5 decades I have been hooted at, vilified, and derided by all kinds of political "know-it-alls" because I stated that the idea that voting could change anything was illogical. In primitive societies tribal members believe that by cutting up animals their future can be assured. In even MORE primitive societies tribal members believe that by placing marked papers in a box their future can be assured. I ask you WHICH belief in black magic is MORE ignorant??? Especially, when history shows that regardless of WHO is elected (person, party, philosophy, etc.) taxes increase; laws become more oppressive; more are killed in wars; economic opportunity declines; and life becomes more brutish and miserable. Oh I know, somehow THIS time it will be different --- yeah right, and Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are real too... WAKE UP you idiots!

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... reklin said on 5/31/2008 @ 7:32 am PT...





Off topic, but I thought you'd want to hear: remember the DC lawyers Dickstein and Shapiro that sent the cease and desist order regarding the abrad2345 story you guys had? That name Dickstein always stuck in my head (insert joke here), so when I just saw http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/

I had to tell you guys. Turns out the McCain campaign has complained that Dennis Hastert has joined Dickstein as a law firm. Can you spell schadenfreude?

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... onetinsoldierusmc said on 5/31/2008 @ 7:35 am PT...





WHY are so many so-called-freedom minded men/women hell bent in distroying real "liberty" through mandates of evil self-centered greedy men/women who lust for power realizing the only way to take OFFICES of POWER is to disenfrancize the Majority of those who know the difference between "liberty" and "freedom" whereby we the poeple are loosing our "liberty" for the sake of safety when their is no safety even at the ballot box. Semper Fi, Loyalty above All Else Except HONOR.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Fran Taylor said on 5/31/2008 @ 7:56 am PT...





Watch this short video: http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/ And you'll never trust an electronic voting system again.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... 72dawg said on 5/31/2008 @ 10:25 pm PT...





Faith in the touch screen voting machines is really "magical thinking:" that is I want to believe that will work, so I believe these work. I deal with this type of thinking everyday in the business world, and I pity our democracy that have to depend on them to do us right. It is critical thinking, not wishful thinking, that will show us the results. What Brad and the others he reports about who are fighting the fight for honestly and accurately counted elections is the most patriotic battle we are in today.

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 6/1/2008 @ 6:56 am PT...





This is not brain surgery. Fair elections should not be so difficult to ensure. People are not idiots. Eventually they learn the truth about astroturfing. They hear of Netvocates, the Bivings Group, the White House Iraq Group, that Kos Zuniga is pro-CIA and Ronald Reagan. They learn of the Rendon Group and other propaganda outlets. Is Mark Lindeman an astroturfer? Yes! HudsonValleyMark Resist false dichotomies. Daily Kos is not divided between the reality-based and the loony tunes. Daily Kos is not divided between the brave warriors for democracy and their wicked and/or delusional persecutors. My {SluggoJD} response to the fake Dems in this thread at DU OnTheOtherhand, aka Mark Lindeman, who has ties to the right wing via Rick Brady - why do you spend so much time at DU? You're not even a Democrat...you're a right winger. I've often wondered if posting at DU is some sort of job for you - you spend all your time deflecting any and all questions regarding exit polls from 2004. At Kos, you suddenly popped in out of nowhere, not having posted for days and days, to defend NC Beach Girl (aka RobP of Diebold) and even now, you want people to believe that NC Beach Girl was some innocent person? Can anyone point me to any posts by Lindeman that have anything to do with getting rid of the corruption in politics? Anything antiwar? Anything remotely with depth about war crimes and the trashing of democracy? He has simply made thousands of posts attacking anyone who stands up to the Republican agenda of stealing elections. He regularly attacks "annoying citizens on hobby horses" who supply evidence of electoral shenanigans and voice their concerns . He goes after Brad, Bev, and others who represent all of us demanding exposure and accountability. He doesn't stop there. He goes after other academics. He tries to minimize the work of Bob Fitrakis. He infers that Crispin Miller is a tinfoiler. He acts as if political science is the be all, end all for spinning public opinion as regards to election fraud. Here is why Lindeman doesn't make it easy for people to know who he is. The following thread is representative of why Lindeman doesn't start threads at Democratic Underground. Internet fakes can sometimes have a nice little run of influence. But in the long run, is Lindeman really that much different from AnonymousArmy, Steven Hertzberg, David "Kelvin Mace" Allen, and all the other loudmouths who have been obfuscating this issue for years? No, he isn't! Did Don Siegelman win in 2002? probably not Some choice quotes: Election fraud allegations often polarize people very fast, which is a shame. I favor election systems that make endless arguments about the past less likely. This is the part he has been trying to script. The noise, all those thousands of posts attacking Bev Harris couldn't go on forever. Lindeman was meant to be the soothing, fake resolution. Jim Gundlach: Except the Magnolia springs story was just as much a lie as the story that the first error was caused by lightning striking the power lines. As far as I can see you don't know what you are talking about. jim gundlach eschew obfuscation Glynn Wilson: Basing your claim that there was no theft of the 2002 election in Baldwin County on a simple refutation of one graph in the academic analysis seems quite inadequate in itself... Without the benefit of a recount, which we will never get now, we can never know for sure. And that's sort of the point, don't you think? You have to ask yourself: Who benefited from NOT investigating what really happened? Lindeman: excuse me, but did you read the diary? ....

sorry, obviously you pushed a button....

My problem is that some people, including Mark Crispin Miller, are saying without reservation that the election was stolen. And while Gundlach may not be saying that*, he has said some other things that I don't think stand up to scrutiny (along with some that do, and some that I'm not sure about). We'll let SluggoJD have the last word: Bev Harris, an American Hero - Part 4, a Conspiracy to Malign Ignoring Bev's initial (edited) objection, David Allen (her publisher at the time, fired in 2004, and now the overt leader of the "BASHBEV.COM" movement) contacted Tom Flocco's right-hand man, who set up this insecure site. His name is Robert Mendenhall Jr. of Whitestar Website Design. He only had a handful of clients. Besides tomflocco.com, his only other claim to fame was this site for Vreeland crap. Not coincidentally, Andy Stephenson was a regular at the Vreeland site, as well as moderator at the insecure temp site... Later this week, I will present additional evidence that IMO proves there is a coordinated effort to malign Bev Harris, in order to hamper real BBV research. This conspiracy involves David Allen, Tom Flocco, Robert Mendenhall Jr, and others who shall be named....This conspiracy could be the work of one entity (the right wing), or the work of two entities (the right wing, and far left LaRouchie-like conspiracy nuts) with some shared agendas...I'm not sure yet, since some right wing trolls are quite clever at appearing to be on the left instead of the right.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 6/1/2008 @ 9:31 am PT...





I just found another strange tie between Andy Stephenson and the right woos left network of internet fakes. People can search around. They will find out that Stephenson was in contact with a Mike Vreeland. With this next DU link, one can see that he was also in contact with "whitestar."

WhiteStar seems to be none other than Robert Mendenhall Jr. of WhiteStar Web Hosting. BBV: This is a great sign Andy to WhiteStar: Howdy Bud!!!! I was trying to call you...Wanted to see you while I was in New York...but your a long way from there I imagine. WhiteStar basically made a lot of posts at DU with copy, pastes, and links from Tom Flocco.com. All of this talk of "conspiracy nutters" didn't evolve naturally. Disinfo agents have been on the job for years muddying the internet waters. Anyone ever hear of Willis Carto? What about Wayne Madsen? Does anyone sincerely believe that all the rubbish they and Tom Flocco types have been publishing over the years haven't been attempts to discredit the internet? Does anyone think it's a coincidence that both Fintan Dunne and AnonymousArmy insinuated that Brad is a CIA plant? Does anyone think it's a coincidence that "Dunne" has called Bev Harris a 9/11 CIA rat? God bless this Andy Stephenson for he cannot answer to these questions, but wtf was he doing involved with so much internet disinfo? I'm also curious about a poster named RAM. Was at Tom Flocco's site today. He is changing servers (or something) and a rough draft was posted by mistake. "The rough working draft about a fired prosecutor should never have been placed online..." But he continues: "We apologize for this inaccuracy; however, we still stand by our on-the record source Tom Heneghen and our story reporting that true bill indictments have been voted out by the Chicago grand jury against a host of Bush administration officials..." Still waiting for any other reports. Is RAM Robert Mendenhall, the owner of WhiteStar which hosts Flocco's website? Nothing personal here, if he says he isn't, then I'll take his word for it. Yet, anyone who would post about Tom Flocco without a disclaimer makes me wonder. E-VOTING TRAIN WRECK 2006 RAM: Here's the way my suspicious mind sees November 8th: The republicans will steal as many elections as possible (in districts with slim poll differences). In districts that the dems win, the investigation into Sequoia will suddenly burst out with information that Chavez sabotaged our election. The thing about Brad Friedman is that he doesn't make claims without evidence, like a Tom Flocco does. It's really crazy how much tinfoil dung has been thrown around over the years around concerning Bev Harris and Brad. Those two were chugging along, doing their thing, yet all around them on the internet insidious efforts were being made to circumscribe themselves into a convoluted script. Here's one last link, to a guy named Stew Webb. Hold your nose. Here he tried to make it seem like he was throwing Mendenhall under the bus and protecting Bev Harris. But in reality, he was just continuing to spin tinfoiltainment rabbit holes. Breaking News August 3, 2005 Another FBI Division 5 Domestic Contact Services Patriot Plant has been identified and outed Robert Mendenhall Jr. a.k.a. Whitestar Web hosting has been identified according to US Intelligence files. Mendenhall had previously infiltrated Beverly Harris and Black Box Voting and intelligence warned Tom Flocco that Whitestar had been outed. Tom Flocco was warned not to continue using Whitestar as his website host. As of today Aug. 3, 2005 Tom Flocco.com is experiencing intermittent service as a result of releasing two explosive stories in the past 7 days: Financial terrorism towers over September 11 by Tom Flocco and Bush_and_Cheney_Indicted The American Revolution Continues.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Mark S said on 6/1/2008 @ 12:48 pm PT...

