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"Hate Speech and the Process of Dehumanization"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... absurd said on 8/19/2009 @ 1:59 pm PT...





I hope you can apply your brilliant theory to Jeremiah Wright, and extrapolate why our president didn't budge for 20 years while Mr. Wright's words enraged countless Chicago black to indiscriminately murder non-blacks.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/19/2009 @ 2:06 pm PT...





Balderdash! Jeremiah Wright rocks! He's a great American, and taking his fire out of context just lends itself to haters trying to make hate out of his love. Obama's a shithead for abandoning him.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/19/2009 @ 2:25 pm PT...





I'm not certain your allegations about Rev. Wright are accurate, Absurd, but Prof. Zimbardo's analysis of the process of dehumanization is not limited by the race, ethnicity or gender of those who engage in hate speech. Zimbardo's The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn to Evil was based on his findings from the 1971 "Standford Prison Experiment" and 30 years of subsequent research. Appearing on Democracy Now, Zimbardo explained that he'd randomly assigned "24 male college students...the roles of prison guards and prisoners…” Although the experiment was to have lasted two weeks, Zimbardo was forced to cancel it after just six days as the “guards had become dangerously sadistic and the prisoners were breaking down emotionally.” What we wanted to do was [to] create [the] essential psychology of imprisonment, and that’s all about power. Every prison is about power. Guards have to assume more and more power and domination, and prisoners have to have their power stripped away. And so that is the ultimate evil of prison. It’s about power, dominance, and mastery. And that is the same thing we found at Abu Ghraib prison. Note: If you are going to make an accusation such as "Mr. Wright's words enraged countless Chicago black to indiscriminately murder non-blacks," you should provide specifics and a link to the material you claim support it. From my own research, conducted during the period Rev. Wright was being demonized by the corporate media, it appeared that Wright's remarks were taken out of context and completely distorted; that his sermons, when viewed as a whole, were no more inflammatory than those provided by Dr. Martin Luther King. I have to agree with Agent 99. Obama's willingness to throw Wright under the bus was despicable.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/19/2009 @ 2:40 pm PT...





Your last 4 words basically explain it all.



"Christian-fundamentalist world view" Every single hate group to my knowledge is religiously based and there are 100s of them. As long we have religion on this planet we will be infested with ignorant zealots that hate everything and everybody that doesn't conform to their insane world view.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Stig said on 8/19/2009 @ 2:53 pm PT...





Nietzsche, contrary to popular misconceptions about his philosophical perspective, understood this about people and warned the world, in his book "The Anti-Christ", that the German character of his time, was susceptible to mass manipulation of the very kind spewed today by the likes of Glen Beck, among others. Like a crying baby, phony indignation and resentment become tools of people, of mediocre standing, who are essentially cowards and bullies, that would probably commit suicide if not for their ability and position from which to fool people into doing their bidding. America seems rife with these indignant bastards, but worst still are the huge numbers of listeners, that are willing to agree with them.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... slapbangwallah said on 8/19/2009 @ 3:33 pm PT...





Maybe what we really need is a strident progressive voice for a change! Progressive commentators are too few and too damn nice. Let's use the right wing's techniques! Wouldn't it be great to see someone come on television and yell: "Considering the last eight years of destroying America, maybe the Republicans should just shut the hell up! In fact, throw them in jail as traitors when they open their mouths." "Hey, Rush! Can you stop taking those pills for a second and stop kissing Hitler's picture?" "Hey, Beck, take off that KKK hood for a second." If strident sells, let's go for it!!!

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... FreedomOfInformationAct said on 8/19/2009 @ 4:05 pm PT...





Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals. Last night, NBC News and the Wall Street Journal released a poll showing that “all the misinformation out there” about health care reform proposals in Congress is taking root with many Americans. For instance, 45 percent believe the false claim that legislation includes “death panels” while 55 percent believe the false claim that coverage will be extended to illegal immigrants. MSNBC’s First Read notes that self-identified viewers of Fox News are disproportionately misinformed. http://thinkprogress.org...ews-viewers-misinformed/

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 8/19/2009 @ 4:42 pm PT...





slapbangwallah

"Excuse me while I piss myself" What we really need is hell of watts on a New Public Spectrum Frequency. I have seen how fucked up these electronic vote tabulation devices are. Heh heh heh Dont' try to change the subject now.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Tunga said on 8/19/2009 @ 7:27 pm PT...





Tunga is sure he speaks for justice Scalia (who has no reservations about being passed up for the Chief justice title) when he says the there is no prohibition within the US Constitution on hate speech. Next season Glenn and Kate plus 8 will be the number one most watched TV show on cable. What would Jesus watch?

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/19/2009 @ 8:00 pm PT...





I consider wingnuts less than human, I must fit in there somewhere

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/19/2009 @ 9:18 pm PT...





I would prefer the Second American Revolution to the Second American Civil War, but, either way, that's the only help for this stuff by now. Nothing of substance will be fixed voluntarily by any of the perpetrators... of hate speech... of our broken government... the wars of aggression... the frank fascism being codified by all the breaches of the Constitution, the unconstitutionalizing of our Constitution... not any of it will be fixed without use of force. It might not have to be violence. It could be that the threat of it from sheer numbers would be force enough, but, without being forced, nobody who can do anything about any of this stuff will be moved to actually do it. That is just so abundantly clear by now. Better the people come together against the rat bastards causing all this, but if we're too stupid to fight them, we might as well just fight each other so this shit can be brought to an end. Who wants to live in it?

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/19/2009 @ 9:42 pm PT...





"Throw them in jail as traitors when they open their mouths...!" The radical left does not believe in freedom of speech. They only believe in freedom of THEIR speech. Shun them. "Jeremiah Wright rocks...!" Wright is a disgrace.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... mick said on 8/20/2009 @ 2:31 am PT...





... Damail where were you during the last moron president's reign...? You have chosen to INVADE TWO RELATIVELY HELPLESS COUNTRIES because your last moron of a president took away "freedom of speech" and caged it up in "free speak zones". How many people have died in the last 8 years because the American citizen couldn't give a shit about their own "rights" let alone some strangers' in a strange land. The blood of all these corpses will drown America in a pool of corruption of your own making. You are free to think, you are free to act, you are never free to take the life of innocent people. Never!

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 6:52 am PT...





Jim, that's bullshit. Also, Rev. Wright is not only NOT an example of hate speech, he's an example of how the media dehumanized someone! The OPPOSITE of what some above have said! Contrast the "liberal media", Rev. Wright vs. Palin's witchdoctor: we saw NOTHING in the MSM about Palin WITH VIDEO with her witchdoctor pastor, yet we were inundated 24×7 for weeks with Rev. Wright's ONE SOUNDBITE CLIP "the chickens have come home to roost". I looked deep into Rev. Wright, and he's a very smart, intelligent man that YOU could learn something from. You have actually proven the point of this post, by citing only what the corporate MSM has told you about Rev. Wright. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP REV. WRIGHT AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE CORPORATE MSM DEHUMANIZING SOMEONE!!!

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 6:54 am PT...





And the film "Reel Bad Arabs", on how Hollywood dehumanizes Arabs, was excellent and dead-on accurate. I saw it when it came out, everyone should see that. You will NOT be seeing that on controlled TV, btw... Oh, I should say, you won't be seeing it on the "liberal TV".

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... czaragorn said on 8/20/2009 @ 7:00 am PT...





I felt an icy chill sweep across the universe the day Abomina threw the good Reverend Wright, a truly virtuous man of peace, love, and understanding, a man whose counsel a torn America sorely needs, under the bus. With a gut-wrenching jolt I could see Abomina for what he is - same vile sausage, spandy new casing. It's gotten so you can predict his next act of perfidy. Enough, already! What's it going to take to get you Americans up off your couches and into the streets? Waiting for an engraved invitation from Goldman Sachs? "There aren't enough votes in the Senate to pass a public option." That about says it all...

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 8/20/2009 @ 7:43 am PT...





Isn't it telling regarding Rev Wright that his honorable military service to this country is ignored.

That he once served on the medical team that operated on the then President of the United States Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Rev. Wright is an unapologetic truth teller who has been marginalized and lied about because he dare speak his mind and sincerely reflect his observations of the country he served honorably. Rev. Wright put his ass on the line...he earned the right to speak as he sees fit. This country abandoned him because it didn't like what he said. Hypocrites...right wingers who haven't served a day or done anything that didn't directly benefit them personally have NO RIGHT to trot out and smear Rev. Wright...

friggin' hypocrites...

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 8:04 am PT...





Tom Ridge admits in his new book that the Bush administration used the terror color alert system for political purposes...tea baggers/"liberal media" silent.............. A remarkable detail to be published in former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge's soon-to-be-released book asserts that the Bush Administration attempted to wield the color-coded terror alert system for political gain --- a charge often leveled by Democrats but not previously confirmed by a high-ranking Bush Administration official. http://rawstory.com/blog...nt-page-1/#comment-24006

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 8:08 am PT...





Why don't you do a piece on how Israel has National Health Care and they LOVE IT!!! On TV, we hear Israel this, Israel that, everything Israel...EXCEPT THAT THEY HAVE NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE!!! Health care in Israel is both universal and compulsory, and is administered by a small number of organizations with funding from the government. All Israeli citizens are entitled to the same Uniform Benefits Package, regardless of which organization they are a member of, and treatment under this package is funded for all citizens regardless of their financial means. http://en.wikipedia.org/...ki/Health_care_in_Israel Anyone find that interesting? That for how much our media talks about Israel, especially Limbaugh and the rightwingers...they never mention that Israel has National Health Insurance...and they love it?

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 8:09 am PT...





ALL our politicians from BOTH parties are always talking about Israel...except that they have national health insurance!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/20/2009 @ 8:34 am PT...





The comment by the individual who appropriately describes himself as "Absurd" typifies the objectification of the "other" once that other, in this case, Rev. Wright, has been vilified by means of a corporate media propaganda campaign. Absurd wrote: "our president didn't budge for 20 years while Mr. Wright's words enraged countless Chicago black to indiscriminately murder non-blacks." Unlike my article, which cited Glenn Beck's precise words as an example of dehumanized hate speech, Absurd fails to list any of Wright's actual remarks. More importantly, where my article cited detailed studies linking the process of dehumanization to both the holocaust and atrocities committed against African Americans in the Jim Crow South, Absurd does not reference a single incident in which a white person was allegedly killed in Chicago as the result of Wright's words. As I noted in comment #3, the corporate media vilified Wright by taking his words out of context --- repeating them over-and-over again so as to drive home the false connotation. For example, "Not God bless America, God damn America!" These were used to suggest that Wright was calling on God to damn America --- that Wright "hated" America. When one listens to the entire sermon, however, it becomes readily apparent that Wright was saying no such thing. Instead, what Wright did was to question why anyone would think that God would bless us when we commit atrocities in furtherance of imperial conquest? As I also pointed out, Wright's assessment was not all that different from that of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who said, in his Apr. 1, 1967 "Beyond Vietnam" speech: The war in Vietnam is but a symptom of a far deeper malady within the American spirit... I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin...the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered.... A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast between poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, 'This is not just.' It will look to our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, 'This is not just.' The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 11:07 am PT...



COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 11:10 am PT...





How Big Media Subverted US Democracy with Lies, Smears and Gross Propaganda http://existentialistcow...verted-us-democracy.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx9Ic

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/20/2009 @ 11:41 am PT...





"...Palin's witch doctor pastor..." Wrong again. The minister that conducted that prayer was a guest minister. Moreover, he was from an African country that still has a heavy quotient of animist religions. Witchcraft and tribal witch doctors are still quite prevalent there. Wright is not a man of peace and love. The term "wackadoodle" fits perfectly.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... mick said on 8/20/2009 @ 1:18 pm PT...





"the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered...." How true it is .

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 8/20/2009 @ 1:23 pm PT...





Comment #21....Ernest Canning... Yours was a profound comment. Thank you...

That brings perspective to this whole issue. Although perspective isn't what our right wing friends here seek.

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... mick said on 8/20/2009 @ 1:29 pm PT...





"History's most blatant example, the “final solution,” was not the product of some inherent psychological deficiency in the German people. To the contrary, Zimbardo informs us, it was the product of a deliberate campaign carried out in newspapers, on radio, in required texts of school children, and even in comic books, which “sought to create the perception of Jews as a sub-human race that was a threat to the national state.” Dehumanization is by no means unique to Nazi Germany. To the contrary, Zimbardo observes, citing Sam Keen’s analysis of the “hostile imagination” in Faces of the Enemy, it “is created by virtually every nation’s propaganda on its path to war….”" What Zimbardo says can actually be seen today in Israel were the once "dehumanized Jew" has become the the perpetrator of "dehumanizing" the Palestinians. As he says "With public fear notched up and enemy threat imminent, reasonable people act irrationally, independent people act in mindless conformity, and peaceful people act as warriors."

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/20/2009 @ 2:02 pm PT...





comment #24 please explain the difference between that "whackadoodle" religious belief vs the Whackadoodle religious beliefs of Christianity. How many nutbag Christians believe in exorcism? How many nutbag Christians believe the Earth is 6000 years old? How many nutbag Christians believe in Creationism as opposed to the fact of Evolution? The brainwashing station that Palin belongs to is full of Fundamentalist lunatics and that African pastor fit right in. Whackadoodle fits ALL religion.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 5:32 pm PT...





Comment #24 Damail: COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/20/2009 @ 11:41 am PT... "...Palin's witch doctor pastor..." Wrong again. The minister that conducted that prayer was a guest minister. Moreover, he was from an African country that still has a heavy quotient of animist religions. Witchcraft and tribal witch doctors are still quite prevalent there. Wright is not a man of peace and love. The term "wackadoodle" fits perfectly.

OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a GUEST witchdoctor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 5:33 pm PT...





That's DIFFERENT!!! Forget I said anything!!!!!

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 5:39 pm PT...





That's why this wasn't on TV, because it was a guest witchdoctor!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAMy-EJQlbo And NO, I don't count Olbermann as "the corporate mainstream media". But seriously, compare Rev. Wright's soundbite vs. the NON-mainstream coverage of Palin's "guest" witchdoctor.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 5:43 pm PT...





Damail said: Moreover, he was from an African country that still has a heavy quotient of animist religions. Witchcraft and tribal witch doctors are still quite prevalent there. How come you're not using that SAME argument with Rev. Wright: "His religion does stuff like that, so it's 'OK', it's prevalent and common, so don't make a big deal out of it" The Palin/witchdoctor thing is WAAAAAAAY worse than what Rev. Wright said! You probably didn't watch the whole sermon it was from (of course). The "guest witchdoctor" sermon, there it is! No soundbites! And you have the NERVE to call Rev. Wright a whackadoodle and not that witch doctor??? You make excuses for the witchdoctor??? I think we know where you're coming from, Damail!!!

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... John Washburn said on 8/20/2009 @ 6:49 pm PT...





RE: "by which certain other people or collectives of them are depicted as less than human….” Such as for eaxmple: "Tebaggers"? Or is only hate speech when the other side does it and merely vigorous ridicule and satire when our side does it?? We swim into dangerous, dark waters when we label dissent as "Hate Speech".

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 7:39 pm PT...





John: "teabaggers" is hate speech? Please! Teabaggers = Nazi's, huh? Can you think of a better one than "teabagger"? And, btw...if you RECALL CORRECTLY...they called THEMSELVES "teabaggers", remember? Then everyone picked up on it, that they were calling THEMSELVES that, and it was funny! HARDLY "dehumanizing", can you think of a better one? COME ON, PLEASE!!!

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 7:40 pm PT...





Jon Stewart and shows like that, picked up on the fact that they were calling THEMSELVES "teabaggers" and didn't realize what it meant. Do your research, please, and come up with a better one...I'm serious!

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/20/2009 @ 7:44 pm PT...





John: dehumanize: : to deprive of human qualities, personality, or spirit Like rightwing talk radio dehumanizes the Arabs.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/21/2009 @ 4:56 am PT...





LOL, Yeah I guess its all OK because he was a "Guest Witchdoctor" ROTFL.

These Reich wingers are so far off the deep end its scary.

Really scary part is we are surrounded by these lunatics every where we go.

In my state (NC) I figure at least 5 out of every 10 people I see, pass on the road, in grocery stores, etc are all delusional psychotics living in a world totally different from the factual reality those of us sane live in. Many of them live in a world that they believe is 6000 years old, ruled by spirits & sun gods.

They believe as 100% fact in talking snakes and mules and that man kind lived to be 900 years old back 4500 years ago, you know when they were walking side by side with dinosaurs.

They believe the government is going to have "death panels" to kill grandma, and all the other countless lies told by the insurance company lobbyist groups busing these lunatics into town hall meetings.

That Obama was really born in Kenya and is a mad socialist hell bent on killing all white people. These people are stark raving insane and they represent sadly enough about 30% of the population.

They have no clue what they are talking and worse yet don't care to know.

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/22/2009 @ 10:56 am PT...





Comment #29 Big Dan: "Oh! He was a GUEST witch doctor!" I guess I didn't make it clear enough. The guest minister was a Christian. He comes from a country where he has to compete with animist religions. Because of that, he knows fully well that witchcraft vis-a-vis witch doctors are prevalent in his nation. That is the background he is coming from. And that is why he prayed that Gov. Palin would be kept safe from any witchcraft. Again, this minister was a Christian; he was NOT a witch doctor.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/23/2009 @ 7:37 am PT...





That is complete BS. Call him what ever you wish that FACT remains that the man is a stark raving lunatic just like Palin. BTW "Christians" especially the reich wing fundamentalist extremist types like Palin believe in all sorts of "witch craft" exorcisms, etc. Again whats the difference? NONE. They are insane.

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/23/2009 @ 7:21 pm PT...





You're the one spouting BS. And nobody is surprised that you suddenly switch to the all-Christisns-are-insane folderol. I remember one of your previous vile evil postings hoping for the death of everybody at Fox News. That proves you're the one who is insane. No go back to your basement and drool over your Madleyn Murray O'Hair photo like you usually do.

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/24/2009 @ 2:54 am PT...





Just the "Fundamentalist" ones are insane.

Nothing "sudden" about it been saying that for 20 years. and yes it would not bother me at all to see every single treasonous bastard at Faux News caught inside the building as it burns to the ground.

The damage those freaks have done to this country is immeasurable. It should be against the law for people allegedly giving you the "news" to knowingly lie on a continuous basis on national TV.

Go back and pray to your little invisible friend.

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/24/2009 @ 1:12 pm PT...





You are full of full of hate. Much of what the rad left spews out is flat-out evil. Wicked and evil. We rebuke your swill. The people at Fox News are not "treasonous bastards", nor are they liars.. That description is a better fit for someone who wishes death upon people who don't suscribe to his view of news and events.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/25/2009 @ 6:48 am PT...





Fox news aren't liars eh? Delusional much? You are obviously not worth having a debate with, be like talking to a dinning room table as Barney Frank would say. Pointless. Us sane people in this country have a damn good reason to hate nut bags like you, fox news, Bush, Cheney and the treasonous bastards that have done the things they have done in the past 8 years. I could not care less what you believe, or what anybody "believes" but when those people are in positions of power like the pResidency & Congress and they push those insane beliefs on the rest of the country THEN I CARE.

You can go teabag until your arms fall off and I could not careless. But fox news has continuously lied for at least 10 years now, these people are are responsible for filling the heads of the simple minded with complete BS which sadly has changed the direction this country has taken the past decade. The Bush administration which we all know for a FACT stole 2 elections, "with the help of fox news" they then attacked this country in a false flag attack on 9/11, with the help of all of the news, especially fox.

They lied about WMD, lied us into an unjust and illegal occupation for the sole reason to take over the second largest oil field for the American oil companies. This has cost us TRILLIONS and any respect we ever had in the world. That is TREASON.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/25/2009 @ 7:39 am PT...





I generally try to steer clear of the emotional component of a dialogue that at times has degenerated into name calling. But I must say that the disgust Nunyabiz has expressed toward the Fox Propaganda Network is quite understandable. If you have never seen it, Damail, I would highly recommend that you obtain and watch Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Fox served as a primary network for spreading the propaganda of the Bush/Cheney cabal. There were no WMD. There were no links between Saddam Hussein and either al Qaeda. (Cheney had to order extensive water boarding to manufacture a link). Iraq, devastated by Gulf War I and 13 years of UN sanctions that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children under the age of five, was not a threat to its neighbors, let alone the nation with the most powerful military arsenal ever assembled. Yet, those whose primary source was Fox News believed otherwise. The lies spread on Fox, often picked up and repeated on other corporate networks, facilitated an unprovoked imperial conquest that has cost much more than the $3 trillion estimated by Joseph Stiglitz, a nobel prize winning economist. The invasion amounted to a death sentence for more than 4,000 working class Americans serving in the U.S. military. For Iraqis, the cost has been much higher --- more than one million dead; 2 million internally displaced and another million in exile. The lies told on Fox, and on other networks, have had deadly consequences. And, if we are truly a nation of laws, then those who deliberately spread them should be held accountable for the consequences of their mendacity.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/25/2009 @ 5:40 pm PT...





Well said Mr. Canning. and I might add least we forget there were many 1000s of "Contractors" killed plus lets not forget the 10s of 1000s of US soldiers that are going to die a slow painful death from Depleted Uranium poisoning plus most of their children and other family members. Then of course the 100s of 1000s of Iraqi's for generations to come that are going to be dying from Depleted Uranium poisoning.

The death toll from that unjust illegal war will be in the many millions. Do I want to see the lying cretins from fox news burnt to the ground? as Palin would say, You Betcha

In fact I would celebrate. I have never hated anybody my whole life (and I'm 50) until the Bush administration and fox news.

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/25/2009 @ 7:54 pm PT...





"for a FACT stole 2 elections..." These are the facts. The elections were not stolen. Bush won. Kerry lost. Gore lost. That is the truth. And 9/11 was NOT an inside job. That is another truth. Fox News does not lie. That claim can and should be made about MSNBC and lefty crackpot websites. Hoping for Fox News employees to die is absolutely wicked and evil. In fact, do you know what your attitude is a mirror image of ? Ann Coulter. That's right. I said Ann Coulter. Remember her comment about how "Timothy McVeigh should have parked his van outside the New York Times building"? Liberals were outraged at this comment - and I agreed with them. I have always been disgusted with Coulter's continuous "jokes" about liberals being shot, posioned, etc. Nice copmany to be around, son. Maybe we can get you and Coulter set up on a date. While the two of you can share kindred spirits about wanting journalists to be killed, the rest of us will simply walk away and try not to get any of these two piles of fecal matter stuck on our shoes.

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/25/2009 @ 8:20 pm PT...





Damail--I see that yours is a closed mind --- either because you are personally dishonest, willfully ignorant or, in the words of David Brock, who had at one time thought as you do --- "blinded by the right." I tried to provide you a knowledge base, directing you, for example, to Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism which reveals not just that Fox lies but precisely how Fox lies. You obviously didn't bother to watch it. Your statement "Fox News does not lie" has absolutely no meaning because you fail to cite so much as a single source to rebut the extensive documentation in which the anchors of Fox, in the DVD, were caught in one lie after another. The DVD shows how Fox anchors are fed a daily talking point memo by Fox's upper management and instructed to stay on message --- which is the essence of propaganda. Do you really believe that simply by saying "Fox doesn't lie" over-and-over again that will make it true? You fail to explain why a 2004 poll conducted by Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting revealed that 80% of Fox viewers believed one of the Bush regime's pre-Iraq war lies --- WMD; links to al Qaeda; links to 9/11 --- as compared to only 23% on PBS. That's a 57% point gap between the reality-based, better informed PBS audience and the uninformed, misled audience at Fox. Either these dramatic poll differences are explained by "Fox lies" or the results reflect that Fox viewers are more gullible than PBS viewers. Take your pick. (Hmmm, perhaps a combination of the two.) I could cite extensive research material, including statistical analysis, which demonstrate that both the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. But, like the Fox News issue, I know you'd never read them. Yours is the certainty of the true believer --- impervious to a fact-based reality. So, in your case, I will no longer try.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/25/2009 @ 10:54 pm PT...





Byron York's excellent book "The Vast Left-wing Conspiracy" dedicates a chapter to "Outfoxed" and just blasts it into microscopic bits, pointing out how much Greenwald stretches the truth in his anti-Fox screed. It's a great book, pointing out GReenwald's follies, the overhype of "Farenheit 911" and the lunacy of Air America. This "material and analyses" of the elecions are a laughable, jumbled mess of hypocrisy, mathematical noodling and internet twaddle. The elections were not stolen - with the possible exception of the Washington gubernatorial race in 2004.

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/25/2009 @ 11:13 pm PT...





Don't be so lazy, Damail. Watch it, and quit just blathering smears without any basis. The evidence for the stolen elections is all over this blog. The only reason you're not banned for these patently false statements is that we think you don't even realize you're just spewing lies, that you just swallow whatever swill your favorite propagandists pour you. So at least just watch the goddam video. Outfoxed.... You owe it to us to inform yourself better by now.

COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 8/26/2009 @ 1:55 am PT...





Wasting your time with such delusional types as Damail.

They are like trying to talk sense to a Creationist, they are absolutely incapable of rational thought processes and will fore ever flatly refuse to accept positively proven fact in favor of what they "want" to believe.

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... Damail said on 8/26/2009 @ 9:08 am PT...





"The evidence for the stolen elections..." Look up the word "mirage". That describes your "evidence". My statements are true.

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... Counsel said on 8/26/2009 @ 10:22 am PT...





Students who participate in the 71 experiment were students who, like everyone else, have flaws of their own... We can not regulate thought. However, we can produce honest and fact-based news--at least on the Internet. Thirty minute news on the television are limited to keeping your eyes on the screen. Lets be honest, media is commercial media that requires income streams. Perhaps the Internet could provide a more honest approach since the visitors who would come to read honest and fact-based news might also click on advertisements... I'd rather know who is saying what than to "outlaw," somehow, the speech and now know where we needed to look. With the former, at least we know without having to infiltrate and create "sides." Whether Beck is honest or simply making content, I don't know. However, I do know many people believe what they see and hear on television. The problem is that what is being said and played on television is not always honest or fact-based. We see "rubble" in Iraq and Palestine on television. Would you be surprised to realize they have subdivisions like we do where there is little/no violence? Why not see that on television? No views... You can't "sell" that content to the public. It isn't that it isn't "true," but it doesn't "grab the public's attention." As I often say... The person speaking says something about himself and not anything about those he is speaking about... Re-read that. People like Beck or others who generalize say something about themselves and not anything about the Muslims or Islam. People have called me "stupid," but I have yet to be struck suddenly upon their speaking with an IQ under 50... I bet you haven't either. Teach people that people yelling on a soapbox have the right to so yell but that what is yelled must be analyzed critically rather than just accepted. Whether such speech is legal or not will not stop the thought processes. When legal, such speech can be traced and studied so that we can analyze how to provide information that might teach people tolerance and understanding.

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... realtime said on 8/26/2009 @ 6:26 pm PT...

