ptb42

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USA ptb42 Member Existing contracts? What happens with existing contracts? Mine is coming up for renewal, and I don"t want to lock in the slower speed.



Bootes

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New York, NY Bootes Premium Member Re: Existing contracts? You just need to call and ask for the higher speeds if there's no price difference. If there is a price difference, they're always willing to let you pay more.



You might have trouble if the price is lowered, but that's not very likely.

pappy97

join:2007-03-12

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said by ptb42: What happens with existing contracts? Mine is coming up for renewal, and I don"t want to lock in the slower speed.





E.g.,



Today you sign a one year contract for 25/25 service. Next month 25/25 ceases to exist and it's now 50/25. Seems like for you'd get 50/25 once they switch as they will stop provisioning 25/25 to anyone.



""As far as I know, it will be like old upgrades where everyone will remain on the same plan and I'm assuming pay more for the increase," says the source. These changes should be arriving somewhere around June 18.

"



Sounds like you will get the bump speed, and may get a corresponding increase to your price, even though you are under contract. But I don't see how you'll have 25/25 in my hypothetical when they cease to provision that speed to anyone, anymore. It would seem that if they are changing the speeds, you'll get the speed change.E.g.,Today you sign a one year contract for 25/25 service. Next month 25/25 ceases to exist and it's now 50/25. Seems like for you'd get 50/25 once they switch as they will stop provisioning 25/25 to anyone.""As far as I know, it will be like old upgrades where everyone will remain on the same plan and I'm assuming pay more for the increase," says the source. These changes should be arriving somewhere around June 18.Sounds like you will get the bump speed, and may get a corresponding increase to your price, even though you are under contract. But I don't see how you'll have 25/25 in my hypothetical when they cease to provision that speed to anyone, anymore.



DownTheShore

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Beautiful NJ DownTheShore Premium Member Meaningless... ...unless they start wiring the apartment complexes with FIOS.



Bootes

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New York, NY 1 recommendation Bootes Premium Member Re: Meaninless... You mean your apartment complex? They've been wiring apartment complexes for years.



Smith6612

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North Tonawanda, NY Smith6612 MVM Re: Meaninless... I think he's talking about those on VDSL/VDSL2 still...



mech1164

I'll Be Back

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We had our town wired as of the first install. It's been years they still haven't wired older apts. New green builds yes not the one already built.

CXM_Splicer

Looking at the bigger picture

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Meaninless... There are often conflicts with the building owners who have been locked into exclusivity contracts by cable, RCN... they don't want Verizon coming in and messing up the building with new wires run all over... or they have been screwed over by Verizon in the past and could care less if Verizon wants to come in. I have only been approached by one building owner who said he wanted FIOS run in the building but Verizon wasn't contacting him despite many of his tenants trying to order. I called the FIOS engineer for him but don't know what happened.



Of course, there is also the fact that Verizon is just not interested in FIOS anymore. They have stopped the roll-out into areas that don't currently have franchise agreements. They are also trying to lay-off techs in the already drastically reduced workforce. The techs that are still here are being assigned to moving copper customers onto FIOS (this is bad for a number of reasons). Simply put, Verizon should change its motto from 'We make progress everyday' to 'We'll get to it when we get to it'



Cabal

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Re: Meaningless... said by DownTheShore: ...unless they start wiring the apartment complexes with FIOS.

The combination of your post content and your avatar is cracking me up.



maartena

Elmo

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said by DownTheShore: ...unless they start wiring the apartment complexes with FIOS.





Often they also have a central mini-CO on site that works perfectly for regular phone lines and DSL, but has to be replaced for fiber.



That is a rather costly venture, and Verizon is not going to want to wire up all 200 apartments with fiber (or however many there are) with a fair amount of existing DSL accounts and no guarantee that there will be a certain amount of FIOS customers. And it is also likely the apartment complex owner is not going to want to bear that cost.



Other apartment complexes have conduits for each apartment, or are wired on the outside walls. In those cases, FIOS can be installed on an individual basis as it is much easier to replace the individual wires. Again though, it is partly dependent on what the owner of the complex says with regards to wires, as once you go FIOS, you can't go back to copper.



Best thing to do if you want to get FIOS, is move to a private rental, or a complex that you know allows individual installs of FIOS. This is largely dependent on the owner of the apartment complex in question. In many cases they are built in such a way that all the copper lines are hidden in the wall, and a single pair (or 2 pairs) are available for each apartment. The conduits they are in might simply be too narrow to add additional cabling, except replacing all cables in one go.Often they also have a central mini-CO on site that works perfectly for regular phone lines and DSL, but has to be replaced for fiber.That is a rather costly venture, and Verizon is not going to want to wire up all 200 apartments with fiber (or however many there are) with a fair amount of existing DSL accounts and no guarantee that there will be a certain amount of FIOS customers. And it is also likely the apartment complex owner is not going to want to bear that cost.Other apartment complexes have conduits for each apartment, or are wired on the outside walls. In those cases, FIOS can be installed on an individual basis as it is much easier to replace the individual wires. Again though, it is partly dependent on what the owner of the complex says with regards to wires, as once you go FIOS, you can't go back to copper.Best thing to do if you want to get FIOS, is move to a private rental, or a complex that you know allows individual installs of FIOS.



elios

join:2005-11-15

Springfield, MO elios Member Re: Meaningless... why not use the co-ax thats already running to each apt

since i know they use that for a lot of installs now

run the fiber in to the basement or were ever the co-ax comes in at

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Meaningless... Most of the apartment buildings (at least here in NYC) do not have a home-run of coax from each apartment to the basement, they have feeders going up to closets on each floor and distribute the signal from there. Also, while the coax would work fine for video & Internet, the FIOS equipment cannot use coax for dialtone.



aztecnology

O Rly?

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Murrieta, CA aztecnology Premium Member Thank you, may I have another :) Can't wait...

elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member More of nothing



Anything above that is for pure convenience. I can run VMW view on a 3MB link just fine, so cloud is not an issue).



And 15/5 is 15/5 -- there is no TWC lucky to see 5Mbs on a 15/2.



What would be disappointing is that they introduce caps after doubling bandwidth when everyone knows that bandwidth isn't a problem for VZ and even TWC in my area (considering only 2 neighbors on my block still have TWC )



My neighbor pays $160 for TWC (triple play, 5 TV) which is a bigtime rip. I told them to get fios double play, move phone to GV-> Cell and pay $85/month. Then buy some roku boxes for the kids. So save $60-$70/month.



If they cap the first thing to go will be phone, and then people will pull cable (go OTA or internet) and then they will be left wondering why they put caps in when margins are already sick (60%+).



In NY my phone only cost $4 in taxes (it's IP) so it was actually more expensive to do the double play (they like it that way). Sooner of later that is going to cause me to leave.



They have also dropped 5 channels in the last few months, and added zero. They were junk, but then 90% is junk so keep pruning. Realistically speaking one only needs 15/5. I have 25/25 because I do a lot of cloud stuff, and TWC is 30/5 which sucks for cloud. Cloud needs uplink...Anything above that is for pure convenience. I can run VMW view on a 3MB link just fine, so cloud is not an issue).And 15/5 is 15/5 -- there is no TWC lucky to see 5Mbs on a 15/2.What would be disappointing is that they introduce caps after doubling bandwidth when everyone knows that bandwidth isn't a problem for VZ and even TWC in my area (considering only 2 neighbors on my block still have TWCMy neighbor pays $160 for TWC (triple play, 5 TV) which is a bigtime rip. I told them to get fios double play, move phone to GV-> Cell and pay $85/month. Then buy some roku boxes for the kids. So save $60-$70/month.If they cap the first thing to go will be phone, and then people will pull cable (go OTA or internet) and then they will be left wondering why they put caps in when margins are already sick (60%+).In NY my phone only cost $4 in taxes (it's IP) so it was actually more expensive to do the double play (they like it that way). Sooner of later that is going to cause me to leave.They have also dropped 5 channels in the last few months, and added zero. They were junk, but then 90% is junk so keep pruning.

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06 Wilsdom Member Re: More of nothing Still, it's progress. Someday I hope to be streaming holographic porn at 1Tbps.



moldypickle

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Haughton, LA moldypickle Premium Member Re: More of nothing holographic porn ftw!!!!! LMAO



MovieLover76

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I have 35/35 and to say one only needs 15/5 isn't true in a house with lots of users that uses a lot of netflix, gaming and downloads I often see my router pushing over 25mbps for a sustained period of times, true one user may not need 35/35 or 75//35 for anything, but multiple users, especially if you have some heavy users can easily be needed to ensure everyone in the house gets a speedy internet connection. I'm looking forward to the additional bandwidth.

JPL

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Downingtown, PA JPL Premium Member Re: More of nothing said by MovieLover76: I have 35/35 and to say one only needs 15/5 isn't true in a house with lots of users that uses a lot of netflix, gaming and downloads I often see my router pushing over 25mbps for a sustained period of times, true one user may not need 35/35 or 75//35 for anything, but multiple users, especially if you have some heavy users can easily be needed to ensure everyone in the house gets a speedy internet connection. I'm looking forward to the additional bandwidth.

This is exactly right. People who make the claim that you don't 'need' x speed don't seem to understand that there are households with LOTS of connected devices. There are 7 of us in our house - and between the BD players, smart TV, computers, kindles, ipod touches, DSis, and other gaming systems (not to mention the fact that Verizon handles VOD via their IP feed), we're continually straining even our 35 Mbps download speed.

ptb42

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said by elefante72: Realistically speaking one only needs 15/5.



15/5 may be enough for casual users. But, I appreciate having the option for more, especially at a reasonable increment in cost. I have 25/25, and was considering a bump to 35/35. I telecommute, and typically move a lot of data to/from either my company's servers or a customer. I downloaded a 40GB VM image a few days ago.15/5 may be enough for casual users. But, I appreciate having the option for more, especially at a reasonable increment in cost.



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Seriously, I have the 15/5 and it speedtests out at 25/15 or lower at 25/10. So I am not complaining



I'd go back to FiOSTV bundle if it were $75/month for ExtremeHD+25/25 (currently listed as $99/mnth not including taxes, etc). I don't miss those repeating shows, dis-infommercials for idiots, monthly channel-lineup changes ... Hmm, Verizon caps...reminds me of selling cars with more horsepower, but tripling the fines for speeding... enabling!Seriously, I have the 15/5 and it speedtests out at 25/15 or lower at 25/10. So I am not complainingI'd go back to FiOSTV bundle if it were $75/month for ExtremeHD+25/25 (currently listed as $99/mnth not including taxes, etc). I don't miss those repeating shows, dis-infommercials for idiots, monthly channel-lineup changes ...



Eagles1221

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I pretty much always get 5 mbit uploads on my TWC D3 cable modem. I really only test FTP over VPN to my office - but that's still a pretty fair test with VPN overhead and congestion at my office.



JRW2

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said by elefante72: Realistically speaking one only needs 15/5.

How do you know what anyone "needs"?



Just because you are satisfied with that speed, or find it excessive, does not mean every other user out there feels the same way.



I have speeds in excess of what you feel anyone needs, and there are many times when I can peg it without torrents or downloading porn.... I love when people make statements like this.How do you know what anyone "needs"?Just because you are satisfied with that speed, or find it excessive, does not mean every other user out there feels the same way.I have speeds in excess of what you feel anyone needs, and there are many times when I can peg it without torrents or downloading porn....



rtcy

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said by elefante72: Realistically speaking one only needs 15/5. I have 25/25 because I do a lot of cloud stuff, and TWC is 30/5 which sucks for cloud. Cloud needs uplink...



Anything above that is for pure convenience. I can run VMW view on a 3MB link just fine, so cloud is not an issue).



And 15/5 is 15/5 -- there is no TWC lucky to see 5Mbs on a 15/2.



What would be disappointing is that they introduce caps after doubling bandwidth when everyone knows that bandwidth isn't a problem for VZ and even TWC in my area (considering only 2 neighbors on my block still have TWC )



My neighbor pays $160 for TWC (triple play, 5 TV) which is a bigtime rip. I told them to get fios double play, move phone to GV-> Cell and pay $85/month. Then buy some roku boxes for the kids. So save $60-$70/month.



If they cap the first thing to go will be phone, and then people will pull cable (go OTA or internet) and then they will be left wondering why they put caps in when margins are already sick (60%+).



In NY my phone only cost $4 in taxes (it's IP) so it was actually more expensive to do the double play (they like it that way). Sooner of later that is going to cause me to leave.



They have also dropped 5 channels in the last few months, and added zero. They were junk, but then 90% is junk so keep pruning.

dropping channel is what pisses me off the most. they force you to abide by the contract then they drop channels and tell you it's in the contract, and of course they force you into the 2 year, they sort of went back on their word to do 1 year. at least here in California

PowerMac

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Anaheim, CA PowerMac Member Re: Meanwhile at Comcast... Dont forget about At&t U-Crap



IPPlanMan

Holy Cable Modem Batman

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Washington, DC IPPlanMan Member Re: Meanwhile at Comcast...

Meanwhile at AT&T

majortom1029

join:2006-10-19

Medford, NY majortom1029 Member hmm So verizon is upping speeds AND prices. interesting.



Peachtreeman

@verizon.net Peachtreeman Anon This is great So if you have a contract you get a bonus speed upgrade and likely without an increase. If you don't you have an increase but you get a speed grade boost (a nice one at that).



Suck that Comcrap. At least Verizon is raising its speeds with its price increases.



Not only that but 300mbps service? I'm on 150/35 so SIGN ME UP I need more speed for work.

serge87

join:2009-11-29

New York serge87 Member Re: This is great said by Peachtreeman : Not only that but 300mbps service? I'm on 150/35 so SIGN ME UP I need more speed for work.

me too, no love for the top tier...ho-hum



GlennLouEarl

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Richmond, VA GlennLouEarl Premium Member Thanks--for nothing, Verizon. ). Uhhh, let me know when I can get 5/2 for $35 (or less!).

FloridaBoy

join:2009-06-22

Bradenton, FL FloridaBoy Member So, this is one of the moves... they are doing to try and help their cable pact. Oh well, lets see if I get the 75\35.



joncellini

join:2001-04-19

Beaverton, OR joncellini Member Frontier Meanwhile back here in Frontier FiOS land....

axus

join:2001-06-18

Washington, DC axus Member Re: Frontier Verizon seemed to be following Frontier, with the lack of expansion, raising prices, and not caring to acquire new customers. I can't even get FIOS, though that might change soon.



wesm

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No kidding. I'm on Frontier--which isn't half bad--AND VDSL--which is horrible--so I'll never see anything above 20/5 unless I move. Hmmm...back to Keller?

pappy97

join:2007-03-12

Dallas, TX pappy97 Member So what happens to the 50/20 tier? Personally I am stoked that my 25/25 is now going to become faster than the 50/20 tier, and even with a rate hike, still won't cost nearly as much

BUT

What happens to 50/20? I don't see ANYTHING about what will happen to 50/20. I live in a BPON market where the "Top" tier right now is 50/20. Is it going away, or getting bumped up to something? I don't think the article implies that it is going away, nor does it suggest it is getting a bump too.



kingdome74

Let's Go Orange

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Syracuse, NY kingdome74 Premium Member Only Me In the "It Can Only Happen To Me" category I called VZ up a few days ago to have my home phone changed or dropped altogether because of a ton of collection calls that were not for me. Long story short if I drop the phone off my 35/35 triple I would see no price decrease. If I dropped down to 25/25 Double I'd see a $5 decrease. Now here's the kicker - if I keep my current Triple AND sign a new two year contract my price goes UP $5 a month starting on Day One. Needless to say I'll stay on month-to-month and see what happens when the new price hikes - and now these speed increases - come down the chute. I'm drooling over clutching that 75 Mb pipe in my gnarly little hands and ride it for it's worth.

25139889 (banned)

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Toledo, OH 25139889 (banned) Member Karl,- symmetrical??? ?The company's current symmetrical 35 Mbps tier will soon see a dramatic bump to 75 Mbps downstream and 35 Mbps upstream."



How is this symmetrical? symmetrical means the same not different.



Anon2459

@comcast.net Anon2459 Anon So jealous... I'm trembling and lusting after FIOS customers. Verizon built up the western half of my city before they announced they're stopping expansion so you can imagine my disappointment when I live on the eastern half. Seeing those Verizon FIOS ads had me so excited, it was sooo close yet so far.



Doesn't help they sold there FIOS infrustructure to Frontier which is just completely destroying the service. I think they really want to offload fiber customers and put them on DSL, at least that's what it looks like.

biochemistry

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92361 biochemistry Premium Member Re: So jealous... Lusting after 300 lb men that live in their mom's basement?

htin11

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Flushing, NY htin11 Member what about 150/35 I currently have 150/35...any speed increase in there? maybe making it 200 / 65 ?

serge87

join:2009-11-29

New York serge87 Member Re: what about 150/35 Would also love to know what happens to this tier, at least for the price we pay for it. Also, the upload is already at 65mbps, it's not official but I believe just about everyone on this has it.

45612019 (banned)

join:2004-02-05

New York, NY 45612019 (banned) Member What's with all the weird upload speeds? This company just can't seem to do anything perfectly.



50/25? 75/35? Why are they half-assing the upload?



Just make the shit symmetrical and call it a day. We all know the capacity is there.



This is just another American ISP slooooowly inching out speed upgrades over the years and making it seem as if they are constantly upgrading their network when the capacity is already there.



Why does Verizon's fiber optic network deliver such relatively slow speeds when Japan and South Korea have had true symmetrical 1 Gbps for years?

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22

Gillette, NJ bushleaguer Member June 18??? If this is true then how can it be that they haven't disclosed the imminent price hike yet? The June 18 date must be off by a few months....I haven't read anything official in terms of a service/price increase in my bills or anything else received by Verizon (then again, this is Verizon billing we are talking about but they've always been good in alerting about increases or changes in service in a timely manner).



Onedollar

join:2001-08-27

Pomona, CA Onedollar Member Re: June 18??? Existing users will need to pay $10 for upgrade. No one will be upgraded automatically

bushleaguer

join:2007-01-22

Gillette, NJ bushleaguer Member Re: June 18??? said by Onedollar: Existing users will need to pay $10 for upgrade. No one will be upgraded automatically





So when existing contracts expire then we all will have to pay more for internet but will be getting faster service, correct? I see.So when existing contracts expire then we all will have to pay more for internet but will be getting faster service, correct?



Noah Vail

Oh God please no.

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SouthAmerica 1 edit Noah Vail Premium Member This might be enough for me to order FiOS. I've been on BrightHouse 40/5, even though I can get FiOS 35/35 for the same price.

And I host servers here, so you know faster upload appeals to me.



So why have I stayed with BH? They're a good company.

They support their infrastructure and treat their customers well.



This FiOS speed increase - it might inspire me to jump ship.

I keep hearing rumors about BH increasing their top tiers, but it never seems to materialize.



I'll be thinking hard about it.