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GTV 70-2m Yagi with bent Driven Element



EME + SSB band, usable up to 440 MHz, relatively clean rear pattern version



This little Yagi has a high F/B for a 2 ele., which makes it quite useful for lower noise

or weaker signal operations. The bent DE (K6STI style) transforms from approx. 40 ohms to

50 ohms at feed point.



The GTV 70-2m is the worlds tiniest Yagi that did EME QSOs





GTV 70-2m built by Kazuo, 7L1TIG, see his website for details



Public Notice":



We frequently find unqualified comments like on 'Reddit' placed by Disbelievers in a tiny 2 element Yagi moon bounce contact. Which in a way is understandable. With the link budget in path loss in dB given it took a miracle, a super big gun and several months of testing to complete this < 260 w EIRP EME QSO. The miracle was the Nov. 2016 Super Moon, which was closest to earth moon since 1948.



Of coarse everyone is free to question statements and superlatives in todays world. Especially if read on the internet. Which actually attests a healthy attitude of thinking. But please be serious in your arguments. Do not disqualify yourself by suggesting this QSO was a terrestrial contact without the most qualified EME radio operators noticing. Be assured that EME operators in close distance to one another face what you suggest as possible terrestrial contact as ever day challenge with really near by other EME stations. With that the traces in the waterfall diagram of the WSJT software look completly different and also the travelling time to and back from the moon is missing the 2 second delay. This check is routine for any only half experiences EME operator and easy and plain to spot.

":We frequently find unqualified comments like on 'Reddit' placed by Disbelievers in a tiny 2 element Yagi moon bounce contact. Which in a way is understandable. With the link budget in path loss in dB given it took a miracle, a super big gun and several months of testing to complete this < 260 w EIRP EME QSO. The miracle was the Nov. 2016, which was closest to earth moon since 1948.Of coarse everyone is free to question statements and superlatives in todays world. Especially if read on the internet. Which actually attests a healthy attitude of thinking. But please be serious in your arguments. Do not disqualify yourself by suggesting this QSO was a terrestrial contact without the most qualified EME radio operators noticing. Be assured that EME operators in close distance to one another face what you suggest as possible terrestrial contact as ever day challenge with really near by other EME stations. With that the traces in the waterfall diagram of the WSJT software look completly different and also the travelling time to and back from the moon is missing the 2 second delay. This check is routine for any only half experiences EME operator and easy and plain to spot. Image: Spectran screenshot MX0CNS working PA2V while suddenly aircraft scatter hits (on left).



Suggesting the chances for a terrestrial contact JO01JM (MX0CNS) to JO62JR = 929 km (DL7APV) or to JN47CG = 714 km (HB9Q) is a vague theory. Do you have an idea how much down in dB the spill over of such a dish pointed skywards is? Or what remarkable super tropo conditions would have had to be to allow a terrestrial contact at all? Even with antennas facing each other over such a distance? You might consider taking a look at a signal sent from across the atlantic: NC1I received at MX0CNS on a 8 el. 70 cm Yagi. Pretty much not a chance for a tropo signal this time ...



Since the 8th of September 2018 the 2 el. Yagi QRPP EME is yesterdays news. MX0CNS did it with just the bent dipole and 60 w. Which leaves us with an EIRP of less 120 W on the QRPP station side. While on the far end the new 128 x GTV 70-11w array of DL7APV, replacing the 16 x DJ9BV Longyagis used for all the other records, did a superb job picking the weak signal with its 36 dBi gain.



Well, I see you are not satisfied with my explanations?

Ok then, I give in. First of all MX0CNS used a hidden Beko linear amplifier. Here it is:







Second: here is a good man displaying hard facts about Radio Moon Bounce on Youtube. I truely admire his style how he takes us through the calculations and his conclusions. These are tailored facts displayed by an expert who wants us to understand the earth magnetic field as a Farrady Cage. Something I seriously have not ever thought about. Though I did not get his explanition about the object coming up on the horizon at a distance of 2608 statute miles I have a feeling that this could not be better. Link to Youtube Video "Deconstructing Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) Radio Moon Bounce" Image: Spectran screenshot MX0CNS working PA2V while suddenly aircraft scatter hits (on left).Suggesting the chances for a terrestrial contact JO01JM (MX0CNS) to JO62JR = 929 km (DL7APV) or to JN47CG = 714 km (HB9Q) is a vague theory. Do you have an idea how much down in dB the spill over of such a dish pointed skywards is? Or what remarkable super tropo conditions would have had to be to allow a terrestrial contact at all? Even with antennas facing each other over such a distance? You might consider taking a look at a signal sent from across the atlantic: NC1I received at MX0CNS on a 8 el. 70 cm Yagi. Pretty much not a chance for a tropo signal this time ... . Ready about this in full on the GTV 70-8n website.Since the 8th of September 2018 the 2 el. Yagi QRPP EME is yesterdays news. MX0CNS did it with just the bent dipole and 60 w. Which leaves us with an EIRP of less 120 W on the QRPP station side. While on the far end the new 128 x GTV 70-11w array of DL7APV, replacing the 16 x DJ9BV Longyagis used for all the other records, did a superb job picking the weak signal with its 36 dBi gain.Well, I see you are not satisfied with my explanations?Ok then, I give in. First of all MX0CNS used a hidden Beko linear amplifier. Here it is:Second: here is a good man displaying hard facts about Radio Moon Bounce on Youtube. I truely admire his style how he takes us through the calculations and his conclusions. These are tailored facts displayed by an expert who wants us to understand the earth magnetic field as a Farrady Cage. Something I seriously have not ever thought about. Though I did not get his explanition about the object coming up on the horizon at a distance of 2608 statute miles I have a feeling that this could not be better. Link to Youtube Video "Deconstructing Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) Radio Moon Bounce"



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'Operation Odyssey' accomplished NEW WORLD RECORD: 2 ele. GTV and less 260 W EIRP - 2016-11-11: 18-10 UTC - HB9Q and MX0CNS complete a QSO after 7 months of testing, with B-19 dB at MX0CNS, see WSJT screenshot at MX0CNS Both antennas just after the QSO was done ...





GTV70-2m at MX0CNS a short time after the QSO was completed GTV70-2m at MX0CNS a short time after the QSO was completed

HB9Q's dish same time, photo on courtesy of Dan, HB9Q HB9Q's dish same time, photo on courtesy of Dan, HB9Q

xpol LFA dish feed, photo on courtesy of Justin, G0KSC xpol LFA dish feed, photo on courtesy of Justin, G0KSC



HB9Q's equipment: Dish Ø15.3 m, xpol LFA feed, LNA 0.42 dB, 1 kW SSPA, TR432H transverter, Zeus SDR, IQ+u rev. B (HB9DRI),

and SM5BSZ's Linrad. The decodes on the HB9Q side were as follows, (tnx Dan!): MAP65: 91 -270 105 180300 2.1 -28 HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 17 110 V WSJT 10, 90°: 180300 3 -26 2.8 728 3 * HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 10 180700 5 -28 715 4 RO 180900 4 -29 710 3 73 WSJT X, -135°: 180300 0 -27 2.9 728 3 * HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 6 180500 0 -33 1.9 747 15 180700 4 -29 715 2 RO 180900 0 -33 1.9 731 50 2016-11-13: 18-48 UTC - DL7APV and MX0CNS complete a QSO with B-28 dB at DL7APV and see screenshot from MX0CNS / M0ABA below And at DL7APV's screen DL7APV's equipment: 16 x 13 wl DJ9BV Yagis h-pol, 29,7 dBD, 750 W at feed, DB6NT Transverter, Drake TR7







A video of the MX0CNS - DL7APV QSO with this tiny Yagi

by Thomas, M0ABA at MX0CNS. External link to Youtube here A video of HB9Q received up to -22 dB during the 2016 ARRL EME Contest on this tiny Yagi

by Thomas, M0ABA at MX0CNS. External link to Youtube here

A GTV 70-2m built and measured by Kazuo, 7L1TIG. Link to his website in Japanese here





Retrospect: A special call for operations and support: After success with the GTV70-4m and -3w, the 'Operation Wavelet' Thomas, M0ABA @ MX0CNS goes for one more:

M0ABA @ MX0CNS runs 'Operation Odyssey' to find the real bottom line Can a 70 cm EME QSO be done with this handful of aluminium and 60 W at feedpoint = 260 W EIRP only?

Please help us to make this real, MX0CNS is open for skeds, also with the larger 7 and 4 ele. Yagis

M0ABA can be contacted for skeds via Essex Dx Group - Facebook or email:



Nasa's Apollo 13's Command Module (CMS-109) was named 'Odyssey'. It was launched Apr. 11th, 1970.



The 13ths mission of the Apollo Program did not make it to a landing on the moon due to a serious failure in an oxygen tank

switching valve. Which let that service module based tank explode. Just when entering the moons orbit in a distance of more

than 300,000 k from mother earth. “Houston, we’ve had a problem here” - listen to the full radio communication audio .

But the way the astronauts of this mission handled the life threatening situation and made it home safely against many odds is

maybe more impressive than actual lunar landing missions. So we decided to tribute this operation to the crew of Apollo 13

and name it 'Operation Odyssey'.







Almost breakthrough: 2016-11-11: 20-00 UTC - HB9Q receives MX0CNS with 60 W at feed: and sends 'OOO' ... just the final '73' did not get thru. DL7APV and UA3PTW also received the tiny signal!





More decodes with real sleeve quarterwave stub



The used before thin coax 3 x 174 λ symmetrising coax was measured as too

long by DG7YBN. Thus Thomas, M0ABA designed and build this sleeve tube using AppCAD by Agilent.

2016-07-01: 07-50 UTC - This is HB9Q received at MX0CNS: ... peaking -24 dB which is the more astonishing as this test took place on a rainy day, see the wet antenna above





On time for the 46th anniversary of the safe return of the men of Apollo 13 ...

Operation Odyssey manages first decodes despite the moon being in its apogee ..

2016-04-16: 22-50 UTC - This is DL7APV received at MX0CNS: DL7APV received MX0CNS as well. With up to -25 dB but no decodes on that.







GTV70-2m - 4nec2's 3D viewer

Can this Yagi do Earth-Moon-Earth? Photo: Nasa Project Apollo Archive #AS11-40-5924

These antennas make it half way ... Moon-Earth



3D Radation Pattern ... and GTV 70-2m built by Thomas, M0ABA: see how TINY it is ...



This website has been viewed by how many 70 cm enthusiasts since Apr. 2016?











Performance Data

Elem. 4 mm Gain vs. isotr. Rad. 6.3 dBi Gain vs. Dipole 4.2 dBD -3 dB E-plane 58.4 deg. -3 dB H-plane 136 deg. F/B -10.6 dB F/R -6.1 dB Impedance 50 ohms Mechan. Length 134 mm Electr. Length 0.19 λ



An EME Record Replica ...



Geometry



The 4 mm elements are ment for an 'elements through boom' built.

Segmentation BC and Base BC (see BC page) must be added.



A simple symmetrising member may be made from a 3 x 1/4 Lambda line grounded at the far side with

N-flange-bushing and an aluminium plate and ferrite added as close as possible to the DE, see below.



Pos. Full Length 1/2 Length in NEC Refl. 0.0 336.0 168.0 DE(b) 115.0 293.0 33.5-146.5 DE(a) 134.0 67.0 0-33.5 ele. 4 mm ele. 4 mm The Drivers diameter is 10 mm for all examples. Use EZNEC's Auto-Segmentation at 1050 MHz.



For the SBC the frequency impact is 433.4 MHz - 432.2 MHz = 1.1 MHz

Multiplication with the 70 cm correction factor of 0.92 mm/MHz results in 1.1 mm to add to the common BC.

Using the proposed through boom insulators add a fixed offset on to BC of 0.7 mm so that total SBC = 1.8 mm



• "Ready to saw and drill" data for mounting 4.0 mm elements insulated through boom with SM5BSZ's BC.exe applied

Note that with an elements insulated through boom built for best results boomlength and positions to first /last element must be kept as given.

Because the position of an element relative to its nearer boom end is a serious parameter in the BC.exe.



This table is only valid for:

Boom shape: square

Boom dim: 5/8 in x 5/8 in (15.9 mm)

Wall thickn.: 1.6 mm

Holes in boom: 6.0 mm

Offset rear: 300 mm

Offset front: 40 mm



• Data set for 4 mm elements with rear boom end offset = 300 mm for formast mounting







Sketch of Bent Dipole

















Pattern and VSWR Plots



Elevation and Azimuth plot at 432.1 MHz

Simulated RL and SWR plot 430 ... 440 MHz

VNA measured RL and SWR plot 420 ... 440 MHz













Downloads



EZNEC file of this Yagi with Ø 4 mm elements

















Symmetrising 50 to 50 ohms Feedline to 432 MHz Bent DE



The principle is similar to the 1/4 Lambda coax. Adding 2 x 1/4 Lambda or a half wave line does not change anything but allows

to form a gentle bow below the boom or until behind the Reflector. Follow practical construction hints on "Building a Yagi" page.

Attenzione! Take care when lengthening the coax, measure the right length instead of refering to given v-factors only.

A good choice may be the diam. 5 mm PTFE coax RG-142 B/U: real resonate length (432.2 Mhz as 3/4 Lambda) shield-shield is around 348 mm





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