

cableties

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join:2005-01-27 1 recommendation cableties Premium Member 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... watching Netflix HD or 8 Netflix SD movies...



Or with updates to several PCs, and demos to console games...



You?



IowaCowboy

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tshirt

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Yes, YOU do, but there are also users who check a few emails, pay a few bills, check the news and weather each day, and then go outside.

We know the bandwidth isn't that expensive, most of the cost is in getting that connection to your door.



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buzz_4_20 Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... I don't know a soul that would jump at this $5 discount.



Even if you don't use much data the $5 a month is good insurance against a high bill.



What happens when one of this low bandwidth users signs up with Carbonite, or Netflix? That'd be a shock, and most don't want to risk it.



That why unlimited plans sell so well.

dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON dra6o0n Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... You use up 5GB just when windows update your computer.

When you utilized VOIP phone lines from the internet.

When you leave your computer on idle while connected (several kilobytes per second, adds up in the long run for the month).

When you open emails and see 'attachments' or images.

When you simply see ads on a website.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03 1 recommendation InvalidError Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... Windows updates is less than 1GB/month.

1h/day of non-stop talking on VoIP (or without silence suppression) is ~1GB/month.

Idle computers don't use much bandwidth unless you have tons of junk phoning home or downloading ad banners all day long - I have three PCs and two tablets, average bandwidth over the past 20 minutes is 0.7KB/s - that's less than 100MB/month.

Banner ads get cached by your browser so you rarely need to re-download them - if you didn't block them from ever getting downloaded in the first place with adblock or equivalent.



5GB/month is enough for someone who makes very minimalist use of internet. For anyone who needs more than that (likely the majority of people they are trying to trick into switching), the $5 "discount" is indeed a total rip-off... 5GB is way too low for reasonable essential modern use.



Baseline cap should at the very least be in-line with world average usage and based on Cisco/Sandvine reports for 2011, that should be around 10-15GB/month. 15GB/month would be about enough to comfortably fit my essential usage.

dfxmatt

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Crystal Lake, IL dfxmatt Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... No. Wrong. Baseline cap should at the very least not exist.



KrK

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Not when you install or reinstall and it has to download 42 updates.

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03 InvalidError Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... You aren't going to bust 5GB with patches. Maybe 1GB.



And hopefully, you aren't going to re-install every month. Once every other year is already more than enough for me. I'll have to make an exception this year though due to free Win 8.1 upgrade... a ~3GB "patch."



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You're forgetting the absolute fact that Comcast/TWC and others that implement caps this low in the name of saving a few dollars, really isn't about saving money, it's about raising revenue for them short term. Those who go over these low cap limits will be exposed to ridiculously high overage fee's at the end of each month. I'm not going to argue that bandwidth costs here but when these corporations lower the cap this low it's about profit and profit alone.

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Windows updates: Is that per computer? My house has four laptops and four desktops.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by rradina: Windows updates: Is that per computer?

I'm pretty sure YOU know that you can Download (and save) a "network update package" through the service pack center » )

If you are unable to understand MS update, bing ,or google results, please turn in you INTERNET LICENSE and retire. I'm pretty sure YOU know that you can Download (and save) a "network update package" through the service pack center » windows.microsoft.com/en ··· abs=win7 , a one time for each update per network. (think MS update legal distroIf you are unable to understand MS update, bing ,or google results, please turn in you INTERNET LICENSE and retire.

rradina

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rradina Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... Do you honestly believe the general public knows how to do that or even cares to know how to do that? Assuming lack of skill, spinning it into a negative to strengthen your own argument usually only works on cable news opinion networks.

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I doubt anyone who does not know how little 5GB really is would know what to do with more than one computer.



Anyone who does would not settle for 5GB if they have multiple devices and actually use them.

rradina

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rradina Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... I have three sons. Each has a laptop and a desktop. Although our household enjoys having a an individual with 27 years in the IT trade, I help neighbors all the time who have multiple devices and haven't a clue nor do they want a clue as to how things work. They just want them to work. If they went on such a plan they would be extremely surprised from the very first monthly bill.

Happydude32

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In what world are windows updates 5GB? When I reformat my laptop with Windows 7, three or four years worth of updates comes to just under a gig.



danawhitaker

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Thorndale, ON danawhitaker Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... You don't have to reinstall any other program? It's very easy to eat through that amount of data, especially with games.



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dra6o0n

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Service Packs and driver updates.

Some are small in kilobytes, some are large in megabytes.

Large service packs would be the biggest of them all, consisting of a few megabytes to a few hundreds.



It really depends on what you are updating from and from what position in time.



Optional updates seems to get checked on the automatic settings.



If you were to have a XP/Vista OS, the updates would be somewhat heavier.



Also, what 'pops up' in your update list is totally dependant on what kind of hardware you have.

If it's a laptop with specific features or perks, like a VAIO, expect the sony software on that to update itself along with windows trying to download windows updates that caters to it.



Ethernet adapters? Might have to download it.

Graphics cards? Might have to download it.

Etc.



Basically the more intensive the hardware is, the more likely that the updates to use them will appear.

More bandwidth is used than one would estimate anyhow, since there can be a ton of different connections throughout the years of use on that computer.



Adobe manager and Apple cloud sync and Itunes stores are especially annoying with the constant updates every once in a while.

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If I went out an asked, a good 80% of Americans have no idea what 5GB actually is because you can't FEEL 5GB like you can talking on the phone for 1000 minutes. There is no feedback mechanism to understand the magnitude. . I mean if they have 2GB on their phone, 5 must be a deal.



This mirrors TWC offer EXACTLY so I'm assuming there must be some regulatory box they are checking or to arm the lobbyists. Next they will over 30GB, but while that is better, the discount still won't be worth it. For 30GB it should be less than $20. Our buddies up in Canada use such ridiculous caps.



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My sentiments exactly -- the discount is way too small for what you lose in exchange. While I know using simple mathematics to demonstrate my point isn't entirely fair/applicable, it does support my opinion:



My monthly Comcast bill: $78.94 (for Blast! tier (50/10mbit))

My monthly cap: 250GB (like everyone else)

Cap with discount: 5GB

Monthly bill with discount: $73.94



($5.00 / $78.94) * 100 = 6.33% savings per month

(5GB / 250GB) * 100 = 2% (i.e. 5GB is 2% of 250GB) of bandwidth available per month



Just complete utter nonsense.



I thought "oh I bet this applies mainly to the cheapest tier", so I looked it up: the lowest-speed tier is Economy Plus (3/??mbit), which is $40/month not including fees/taxes/etc.. Same cap (250GB) AFAIK. Do the same math -- nope, still isn't worth it.



If Comcast wants to make this work, they need to increase the savings from a flat $5 to a percentage of the bill. My opinion? Offer a 75% monthly discount in exchange for a 5GB cap. In my case that would become $78.94 * 0.25 = $19.73/month for 50/10 with a 5GB cap. Makes much more sense, but I still don't see what demographic is going to use this.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by koitsu: Offer a 75% monthly discount in exchange for a 5GB cap. In my case that would become $78.94 * 0.25 = $19.73/month for 50/10 with a 5GB cap.

but they could offer you 10% to drop to say 10GB.



This are trial balloon/ lowball offers to see if the concept flies, not hardball best and final/ last chance, today only, cast in stone plans.

just as they are experimenting with higher/sliding caps at the top, there may be some tier space at the bottom too, even if you are not the target of such offers.

ComCast offers/tries to serve a very wide array of customers and everyone benefits if they can widen it even more spreading the fix cost on a monthly fee and the variables on and add on basis may help with some markets That will never happen as that can't support the fixed costs of the plant/servicing that account.but they could offer you 10% to drop to say 10GB.This are trial balloon/ lowball offers to see if the concept flies, not hardball best and final/ last chance, today only, cast in stone plans.just as they are experimenting with higher/sliding caps at the top, there may be some tier space at the bottom too, even if you are not the target of such offers.ComCast offers/tries to serve a very wide array of customers and everyone benefits if they can widen it even more spreading the fix cost on a monthly fee and the variables on and add on basis may help with some markets



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koitsu MVM Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by tshirt: said by koitsu: Offer a 75% monthly discount in exchange for a 5GB cap. In my case that would become $78.94 * 0.25 = $19.73/month for 50/10 with a 5GB cap.

but they could offer you 10% to drop to say 10GB.



This are trial balloon/ lowball offers to see if the concept flies, not hardball best and final/ last chance, today only, cast in stone plans.

just as they are experimenting with higher/sliding caps at the top, there may be some tier space at the bottom too, even if you are not the target of such offers.

ComCast offers/tries to serve a very wide array of customers and everyone benefits if they can widen it even more spreading the fix cost on a monthly fee and the variables on and add on basis may help with some markets

That will never happen as that can't support the fixed costs of the plant/servicing that account.but they could offer you 10% to drop to say 10GB.This are trial balloon/ lowball offers to see if the concept flies, not hardball best and final/ last chance, today only, cast in stone plans.just as they are experimenting with higher/sliding caps at the top, there may be some tier space at the bottom too, even if you are not the target of such offers.ComCast offers/tries to serve a very wide array of customers and everyone benefits if they can widen it even more spreading the fix cost on a monthly fee and the variables on and add on basis may help with some markets No human being needs that kind of money. Drop him to US$1M/year and he'll still live like a king and you can spend US$29M on "plant/service". This isn't rocket science, as much as economics majors would love to insist it is. Until the costs of said "plant/service" are disclosed, all I can go off of are things like how Brian Roberts makes US$30M a year Drop him to US$1M/year and he'll still live like a king and you can spend US$29M on "plant/service". This isn't rocket science, as much as economics majors would love to insist it is.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... YOU can buy stock in comcast and propose that change in executive compensation.



What other service do you as customer have a direct say in how they pay their employees? and or get to insist on cost basis/ pricing info before you buy?

do you KNOW exact how much your grocery store paid for your salmon fillet? and precisely what their spoilage and shrinkage allowances are?



Sure BR makes a large amount, and perhaps it is obscene. but for some reason with broadband some people seem to assume an ownership right over the provider and want to second guess the operations decisions rather than recognizing they are a potential customer who can choose to buy or not.



NormanS

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NormanS MVM Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by tshirt: do you KNOW exact how much your grocery store paid for your salmon fillet? and precisely what their spoilage and shrinkage allowances are?

Anybody who has worked in retail can make a pretty good guess. And I know the old price differential between subtitled VHS tapes and English voice dubbed VHS tapes did not justify charging more for the subs than the dubs. Having both experiences, and experienced the management lies in the tech industry, I know that U.S. Corporations will charge "what the traffic will bear", which often has little relation with actual costs.



batterup

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said by tshirt: ... for some reason with broadband some people seem to assume an ownership right over the provider ...

It goes back to the "Ma Bell" public utility mind set; news flash "Ma Bell" is dead and yet they weep.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by batterup: said by tshirt: ... for some reason with broadband some people seem to assume an ownership right over the provider ...

It goes back to the "Ma Bell" public utility mind set...

It's like the INTERNET, it is OWNED by those network providers, not ( necessarily...it is available as stock in most cases ) by the US public. Even then it was "purchased service"/subsidy, not buying the company or the network it developed.It's like the INTERNET, it is OWNED by those network providers, not ( necessarily...it is available as stock in most cases ) by the US public.

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I hope you know that the way the current system works short of buying billions of dollars and becoming one of the major stock holders your influence as a stockholder is flat zero.

And yes, if I do not want to buy a GM car or an Olympus camera I have plenty of other choices but that's not the case with broadband in the US.

And it is really difficult to defend that bizarre proposal. Yes, if they offered 5 gigs for $ 5/month for low users, that would be a different story.

Very sad that some people cannot leave their ideological corner not even for a minute. A fresh breeze from far right.I hope you know that the way the current system works short of buying billions of dollars and becoming one of the major stock holders your influence as a stockholder is flat zero.And yes, if I do not want to buy a GM car or an Olympus camera I have plenty of other choices but that's not the case with broadband in the US.And it is really difficult to defend that bizarre proposal. Yes, if they offered 5 gigs for $ 5/month for low users, that would be a different story.Very sad that some people cannot leave their ideological corner not even for a minute.

rradina

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I can go to dozens of stores within a five mile radius. I have one choice for HSI.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA 4 edits tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by rradina: I can go to dozens of stores within a five mile radius. I have one choice for HSI.



With telecommunications once "freed from the tyranny (gov't sponsored to accomplish ubiquitous telephony), of Ma Bell" people (you or your parents) raced, not to support 2 or more competitors, but to the CHEAPEST (short term*) provider many of which FAILED due to below REAL cost pricing. and they continued to support/buy from the low end without thought of diversity (I guess Darwin was right! ) and what do you know? ONE species survived ! and NOW you must feed them what they want for whatever they poop.

The good news is THEY are smart enough to kill NOTto all the food at once, and will slowly graze at a survivable price point.



BTW It's SHARK week!



*After the breakup, ALL provders as a group, on the same services MaBell provided, made almost 4 times as much total income, and "new" services drew an extra almost twice the previous total...aren't you glad you switched to Cell?



assorted edits for (I hope) clarity*******



******** NO! I will not do historic stock research for you for FREE! look it up! or shut up! (your choice, free market) YUP, because various people with various tastes, spend enough money at each store to keep the doors open.With telecommunications once "freed from the tyranny (gov't sponsored to accomplish ubiquitous telephony), of Ma Bell" people (you or your parents) raced, not to support 2 or more competitors, but to the CHEAPEST (short term*) provider many of which FAILED due to below REAL cost pricing. and they continued to support/buy from the low end without thought of diversity (I guess Darwin was right! ) and what do you know? ONE species survived ! and NOW you must feed them what they want for whatever they poop.The good news is THEY are smart enough to kill NOTto all the food at once, and will slowly graze at a survivable price point.BTW It's SHARK week!*After the breakup, ALL provders as a group, on the same services MaBell provided, made almost 4 times as much total income, and "new" services drew an extra almost twice the previous total...aren't you glad you switched to Cell?assorted edits for (I hope) clarity*************** NO! I will not do historic stock research for you for FREE! look it up! or shut up! (your choice, free market)

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said by tshirt: That will never happen as that can't support the fixed costs of the plant/servicing that account.

but they could offer you 10% to drop to say 10GB....

»ycharts.com/companies/CM ··· t_margin Actually, with 70% gross profit margins they can afford it, they just don't want/have to.....



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... said by kaila: Actually, with 70% gross profit margins they can afford it, they just don't want/have to.....

»ycharts.com/companies/CM ··· t_margin



and return on assets (4%)

mean a lot more to investors and business operators than gross profit particularly in a very high cashflow business, where even a bad couple months can wipe out that high gross number.



YOU can also buy ComCast stock not just to influence it, but as an investment, and then tell them to cut the rate of return, instead of paying your mortgage or retiring before 75, or helping your kids through college or any of the other frivolous things investors do. Except return on equity (13%)and return on assets (4%)mean a lot more to investors and business operators than gross profit particularly in a very high cashflow business, where even a bad couple months can wipe out that high gross number.YOU can also buy ComCast stock not just to influence it, but as an investment, and then tell them to cut the rate of return, instead of paying your mortgage or retiring before 75, or helping your kids through college or any of the other frivolous things investors do.

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said by koitsu: My sentiments exactly -- the discount is way too small for what you lose in exchange. While I know using simple mathematics to demonstrate my point isn't entirely fair/applicable, it does support my opinion:



Exactly, their logic (comcast) makes as much sense as those of McDonald's executives who make arguments against protesters of increasing minimum wage. If you don't make a $1 candy bar a day, you'llve save $365, that's $3650 of savings in decade. Lol

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said by buzz_4_20: Even if you don't use much data the $5 a month is good insurance against a high bill. There's no such thing as good insurance.



PapaMidnight

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...and when it's Windows Update time?



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: 5GB? Heck, I use that up in 2 movies... Suppose this same budget minded person still uses XP, where no more updates are forthcoming, or some other "frozen" O/S.

I'm not saying it's a bargain, or going to fit a lot of people, but it is a consumer choice, one that wasn't there last week.

And it MAY get adjusted in some way.

It wouldn't fit my families usage, but I do know of some people that this is all they would need and $5 is $5 more for cat food or ice cream or something else they do value more.



batterup

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said by PapaMidnight: ...and when it's Windows Update time?

Well I guess M$ will have to mail everyone a disk. More and more bandwidth is being sucked up by advertising and businesses making a buck. These caps will keep subscription software where is should remain; a robber barons' dream.

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Yes... He does, so do millions off people who have no clue just how little 5GB actually is; who might actually believe this is a good deal.

5GB is shitty even by last decade's standards. Even if you only check emails you have to be clueless to think this is somehow a better deal. Or just really dumb.



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said by tshirt: Yes, YOU do, but there are also users who check a few emails, pay a few bills, check the news and weather each day, and then go outside.

I honestly don't know a single person who uses less than 5 GB per month. I get about .75 GB a month just in spam.



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the less it is used, the more expensive it is to provide



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50Mbps Comcast Line. I can burn through 4x that much in one hour - and have done so (queue the usual chorus of people who say there is no legitimate way to do this and that I must've been downloading torrents or something).



BF69 Fan

@charter.com BF69 Fan Anon Re: Thank you browser add-ons There is no legitimate way to do that you must be downloading torrents or something... *looks at steam* Yup something.

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I used that up on one game download on xbox 360..



OF course that game download did take longer than it should have especially since I am paying for 30/5 and only getting 10Down/5up... *Sighs*



Glad Time warner is not imposing caps in my area, I suppose its thanks to the competition not having any.

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I think they should go ahead and just implement the Georgia Guidestones plan of depopulating the earth to around 500 million. That way they don't have to worry about using too much data..



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I have a Verizon 4G modem, $50 a month for 5G. I can't use it for entertainment but it is all I need for this or 90% of my internet use. 5G makes it mandatory that I control my software and connection and not M$ and many others want to by placing everything in the "cloud", that they control and mine for date. Subscription software, what a dream cash cow.

TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Interesting This is iteresting that the person that posted about this over in the Comcast forum didn't get credit or even a link back to finding this for Fresno.



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IowaCowboy Premium Member Regulated utilities I personally think broadband should be a regulated utility like telephone and have to answer to state DPUs and have to file rate cases to justify their pricing.



I find my unregulated Internet connection to be more useful than that regulated copper phone line. The only reason I keep a home phone is for emergency communications and for the alarm system.



Another use for copper phone lines is to find a misplaced cell phone. My mother misplaces her cell phone all the time and she uses the home phone to find it. I occasionally misplace mine and I use the old dial tone to find it as well.



At least Comcast now has home automation, which I find useful so I don't have to leave that Malamute in the dark when we're out because I can turn the lights on from my iPhone. I can also watch the Malamute in his cage via the camera that came with my home automation package.



nadios

@rr.com nadios Anon Who is this tier for? If you only move 5GB/mo, you need broadband only for fast page loads. Someone looking for the lowest price is probably on DSL. Maybe this is just a teaser tier that looks good on ads as a low price, but no one actually wants.



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buzz_4_20 Member Who's this for? And who in their right mind would sign up for this.



Save $5 to potentially be charged $100 or more.



No way this is worth it for a customer.



Now, say if they started at say $10 a month with a 5gig cap, that would be more realistic.



Use the Gillette model. Handle is free, but you pay out the nose for the blades.



This is just greet. Let's dangle the smallest carrot we can find with big risks and reduced service and see if they'll bite.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: Who's this for? said by buzz_4_20: ...This is just greet. Let's dangle the smallest carrot we can find with big risks and reduced service and see if they'll bite.



No point in giving away the store if this level works. That just it, you offer the smallest promo and see if that works, if not, in a couple months it will be a $7.50 or $10 or $15, whatever makes sense based on the take rate and actual costs.No point in giving away the store if this level works.



buzz_4_20

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Biddeford, ME buzz_4_20 Member Re: Who's this for? I'm Hoping, that the general public will see through this BS

sludgehound

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ADL

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At least supply rollover gigs or something. Might as well sign up for a LTE mobile hotspot.

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P2p Shouldn't Be A Crime

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Pittsfield, MA kd6cae Member If meters are put in place, open up the lines fully If these residential ISP's are hell bent on putting users on metered plans, then why even have speed tiers at all? Why not give their users whatever their line could handle both upstream and downstream, then the cap should keep folks from going crazy with the increased bandwidth they'd get. It's sad that this is 2013, yet upload speeds are still horrible compared to download. Why not truly show off what Docsis 3 can do, while limiting usage via the caps if that's what they want to put in place? It all makes no sense to me. Dedicated server providers work that way. If you order a 100 megabit port, you can use every bit of that port if you like, both up and down, but you have a cap, usually something like 2TB of bandwidth. If you get an unmetered 10MBPS port for example, you effectively have a cap that is whatever 10MBPS used constantly for 30 days would be. Why can't ISP's do that too?

rradina

join:2000-08-08

Chesterfield, MO ·Charter

rradina Member Re: If meters are put in place, open up the lines fully Even with full metering, everyone cannot have unlimited speed. That would be like removing the speed limits on roads. That might work at 2am when little traffic is present but during peak traffic, there would be so many accidents the road would effectively be shut down.



That's why the long-standing cries of meters and CAPS to prevent Internet "brown outs" just isn't rational. Even if we all paid for every byte we used, we'd all still want whatever we want at the same peak hours.

AndyDufresne

Premium Member

join:2010-10-30

Chanhassen, MN AndyDufresne Premium Member Says only economy plus customers Hows much is regular non promo price for economy plus in Fresno?

IF there is ever a time that picture of guy in hoody with saying underneathe"your going to get rapped" would be appropriate now is that time.



AnonMe

@comcastbusiness.net AnonMe Anon The only way... The only way something like this could make any sense is if they AUTOMATICALLY gave everyone $5/month off if they stayed under the 5 GB threshold, otherwise you just pay your standard rate for that month. And this would apply to everyone's account, not just those who signed up for something special.



Otherwise, it's just a joke!



bmantz65

join:2001-07-23

united state bmantz65 Member Re: The only way... said by AnonMe : The only way something like this could make any sense is if they AUTOMATICALLY gave everyone $5/month off if they stayed under the 5 GB threshold, otherwise you just pay your standard rate for that month. And this would apply to everyone's account, not just those who signed up for something special.



Otherwise, it's just a joke!





Economy Plus is a rip off at $40 a month. Make it $20 a month and the same cap as everyone else. I like that idea. Say you have a light mon of August and you look at your next bill you get a nice surprise of a $5 credit instead of worried about your usage if you opt-in to this. Is Comcast saving $5 if you go over 5GB? Probably not. The same is probably true if you use 200GB a month.Economy Plus is a rip off at $40 a month. Make it $20 a month and the same cap as everyone else.



SpottedCat

join:2004-06-27

Miami, FL SpottedCat Member Do they live on Mars? What the hell planet are these people living on?



5GB is more like a cel phone plan than a land-line Internet plan! Heck my completely non-technically inclined mother uses far more than that a month watching Netflix!



Comcast execs are completely insane. They need to join the real world and provide services that fit current technology and usage levels.



JMHO42

@verizon.net JMHO42 Anon Desperately Seeking Profit I guess they'll do anything to try and convince customers that how much you use actually has something to do with how much your usage costs them. Pitiful.



"Please, sir... can I have some more?"

georgeglass5

join:2010-06-07

New York, NY georgeglass5 Member What a cruel joke my family uses anywhere from 120gig to 200gigs a month with net-flix alone. So much for cloud backups



Piece

@comcast.net Piece Anon Tell the whole story... Why don't you tell the whole story Karl? Nice that you only published a PART of the whole story...



"Note: This information applies only to Economy Plus customers in Fresno, CA. If you are not an Economy Plus customer in Fresno, CA, please click here."



It's an OPTION and everyone NOT on the economy tier has no cap.



newview

Ex .. Ex .. Exactly

Premium Member

join:2001-10-01

Parsonsburg, MD newview Premium Member Comcast is a dinosaur This just goes to prove how out-of-touch Comcast is in the real world.

tkdslr

join:2004-04-24

Pompano Beach, FL tkdslr Member new ways of ripping off the cust/XXXX/victims .. First you pay 40$/mo for a very limited 3Mb/1Mb service.. then get ripped off with data charges(1$ per GB over 5GB).. no thanks..



Oh, I bet there is a $15 surcharge for not bundling this mess with Comcast's overpriced VoIP or TV service.. I.E. A double/triple ripoff.. no thanks.. take that deal and shove it..

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17

united state etaadmin Member The NSA use that in a single session.



»www.theregister.co.uk/20 ··· op_tool/ XKeyscore will consume 5 gigs in a few minutes



skeechan

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join:2012-01-26

AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member 5GB...should be free with CATV...$5 CR is laughable 5GB has zero marginal cost to Comcast...it should be included free with their overpriced video services. Meanwhile they then want to charge $1 for what costs them a few pennies to provide. So if you go from 5GB to 5.01GB, that costs you $6. What a deal!



What a joke.



whatsthefuss

@myvzw.com whatsthefuss Anon Non-story As someone who looks at usage meters everyday I see no problem with this as an option. If you follow the link and read it, not the one-sided article, you'll see that it's for the people on the lowest tier. Most people on that tier couldn't even begin to tell you what a GB is. When I pull up usage on those accounts they usually have one thing in common... LOW USAGE. Some 1-2 GB. Economy Tier people aren't your gamers or Netflix people mostly. They're the, "I send emails to my grandkids and check the Facebook crowd."



Hysteria over NOTHING! If the higher tiers had this I'd be worried but they don't.

etaadmin

join:2002-01-17

united state etaadmin Member Re: Non-story Correct, as long as there is a no cap or unenforced cap option this is pointless. Don't like the 5Gig plan then don't buy into it.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03

East Amherst, NY elefante72 to whatsthefuss

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If you think about it, Comcast is like Rent-A-Center. You want the latest plasma, pay $800 upfront at best buy or $50 a month for 5 years for $3,000.



This is simply the corporate predatory snag the poor uninformed people. The marginal cost of 5GB (bad) versus 30GB (decent) is pennies. The only reason this exists is for the people with little education or no impulse control.



And plant costs are total bs, because the plant is shared mostly w/ TV and phone. People in this tier are 2 or 3 play customers. Now CMTS does take SOME resources, but on a 3/1 line its like mice nuts and can be lost in the noise. And if you pay the $7 CM lease fee, its clear sailing for the bottom line.



All these new uncapped tiers are bs, because most people dont need and now we are talking big $$$ ($70 or more) for a connection that cost significantly less than say 3 years ago to provide.