London label Ninja Tune hosts a regular podcast, during which artists on their roster are interviewed. The latest episode features an hourlong interview between Radiohead member Ed O’Brien and Dave Okumu, whose band the Invisible released their new album Patience earlier this month. Interspersed between song selections are conversations about musical life, genre stratification, ABBA, Prince, and more. (O’Brien and Okumu are longtime friends.) Listen to part one of the interview here (or download it from iTunes) and read some highlights below; the next segment arrives next week.

O’Brien on what he listened to growing up:

For me, one of the things—when I grew up—the taste police were out in force. And it was really limiting. So, the '80s it was like, what tribe are you in? What gang are you in? So I was in the post-punk, Smiths, you know, indie… you know, and I didn’t listen to Led Zeppelin. Happy Mondays and Stone Roses changed it all, because suddenly dance music, but in Oxfordshire we didn’t listen to R&B, really, and unfortunately it was one of the negative aspects of our childhood growing up.

On discovering ABBA through his daughter: