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Cheney: Nuclear terrorist attack inside the U.S. "a very real threat'' Posted by Mark Silva at 10:25 am CDT Vice President Dick Cheney, calling Democratic leaders "irresponsible'' for balking at funding for American combat troops in Iraq while they press the Bush administration for timelines for the withdrawal of forces, insists that there is "a fundamental debate'' going on here. It is, Cheney said in an interview aired today, "whether or not our objective in Iraq is to withdraw, or whether our objective in Iraq is to complete the mission.'' He said most Americans "would prefer the latter.'' Cheney, who had claimed the insurgency in Iraq was in "its last throes'' two years ago, was asked repeatedly about the administration's credibility in an interview that CBS News' Bob Schieffer conducted with the vice president on Saturday and broadcast today on Face the Nation. Schieffer pointed to the perjury conviction of Cheney's ex-chief of staff and close friend, Scooter Libby – whom Cheney said he has not spoken with in the month since the federal jury's verdict – and the newsman pointed to the changing stories of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales in the firing of federal prosecutors. Is there a credibility problem? "I don’t think so, Bob,'' Cheney said. "Obviously, we've got issues we've got to work through.'' Asked about the observation of some that Cheney himself is a "changed'' man, the vice president said only one thing has changed since he and President Bush assumed office: "9/11.'' And the stakes of terrorist threats that the United States faces today have only increased since then, Cheney said, calling fear of the detonation of a nuclear weapon inside an American city "a very real threat.... It's something that we have to worry about and defeat every single day. ''

With the White House inviting Democratic congressional leaders in to talk this week about the $120-billion war spending bill that Bush vows to veto, yet vowing not to negotiate over timelines that Democrats are seeking, Cheney was asked what the purpose of any meeting is. "It's important to have that heart to heart,'' Cheney said. "We're trying to work out procedures to get the bill passed… The process has already moved on far too long…. We need a decision from the Congress.'' He repeated the warning that if Congress sends Bush a bill with timelines, "he'll veto it.'' "I think it's important they know where we stand… I do believe that the positions the Democratic leaders have taken… are irresponsible…. '' Cheney said, accusing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) of flip-flopping -- Reid "has done a complete 180 from where he was, in five months… I think that is irresponsible.'' For his part, Reid has accused the president of being more isolated in his stance on the war than any president since Richard Nixon. "It's a ridiculous notion,'' Cheney said. And he has no doubt that it is the Democrats who will budge on war spending when all is said and done. "I'm willing to bet,'' Cheney said. What happens after a veto? "I think the Congress will pass clean legislation,'' Cheney said. "I think there are enough Democrats on the other side of the aisle… If they don’t have the votes to override the president's veto, they will not leave the troops in the field without the resources they need.'' Asking about the suicide bombing within the Baghdad parliamentary building this week and further deadly bombings over the weekend, Schieffer suggested that things don't appear to be improving. "I think we are making progress,'' Cheney said. " I don’t want to underestimate the difficulty of the task… Just because it's hard doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it… Just because it's difficult or complicated, doesn’t mean that America should withdraw or give up the task…. "It is a global conflict,'' said Cheney, pointing to terrorist attacks around the world and allies such as Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf who are counting on the United States to take the lead in the war against terrorism. "If we bail out, what happens to all those folks out there? … Will they have any confidence at all that America will lead the mission?'' Reminded of his "last throes'' assessment, and reminded that so many of the administration's statements about the war have been "incorrect,'' Cheney was asked why anyone should believe the administration now. "We do the best we can with what we know at the time,'' Cheney said. "My statement at the time was that we had just had an election in Iraq… We had three elections in 2005 in Iraq.. I still think, in the broad sweep of history, those will have been the major turning points in the war in Iraq… I think the Untied States of America, at the beginning of the 21st Century, is perfectly capable of winning the fight against these people. "There might have been a time in our history when we could retreat behind the oceans,'' Cheney said. "What happens over there is absolutely vital for U.S. security…Wwe no longer have the luxury of turning our back on that part of the world.'' Asked about Atty. Gen'l Gonzales' planned appearance before Congress in the investigation of the U.S. attorney firings this week, Cheney said: "Al is going to have the opportunity… to go before the Congress. He is a good man…. I have confidence in him. The president has every confidence in him.'' Asked about Scooter Libby, his former chief of staff who was convicted of lying to investigators and a grand jury in the federal investigation of the leak of a CIA operative's identity, Cheney made a remarkable admission about someone whom he also considers his "close friend.'' "I have not'' talked to Libby since the trial, he said. "There hasn't been no occasion to do so… I haven't had occasion to do that. "I believe deeply in Scooter Libby… I think this is a great tragedy,'' Cheney said, but with Libby pursuing an appeal of his conviction, "I also am constrained not to discuss it.'' Asked if he feels in any way responsible for what happened to Libby or, as some have suggested, if Libby has become the fall guy for the administration, Cheney said: "Bob, I'm simply not going to get into the case… Bob, the answer is the same… You can ask, but you'll get the same answer.'' Finally, Cheney was asked about the perceptions that he himself has changed in recent years – becoming, as the late President Gerald Ford, Cheney's onetime boss, described as more becoming pugnatious. "I don’t know that I've changed,'' Cheney said. "I'm certainly older than I was when we worked together in the White House… I think the thing that some people mistake for, or categorize as 'Cheney has changed,' is 9/11… and 9/11 did have a remarkable impact on the United States. I deal with it every day. I look at the intelligence reports every day. Just before I came down here this morning, I looked at an intelligence report.'' Today, Cheney says, the threat that the U.S. faces is not box-cutters aboard airliners but the terrorist detonation of a nuclear bomb in the middle of one of its cities. "The fact is that the threat to the United States now of a 9/11 occurring with a group of terrorists armed not with airline tickets and box cutters, but with a nuclear weapon in the middle of one of our own cities is the greatest threat we face,'' he said. "It's a very real threat. It's something that we have to worry about and defeat every single day. "And we've worked hard now, for going on six years, to do exactly that,'' he said. "We've been successful at defending against further attacks. But it's not easy. It's not dumb luck. It doesn't just happen. It's because we've got a lot of good people who spend a lot of time, devote their entire professional lives, if you will, to this mission. "Now, when you deal with that every day, you can't help but be very serious about the enterprise that we're involved in,'' he said. "And right now, it's my job to be one of those people who worries about that.'' in Global War on Terror | Permalink Comments "the vice president said only one thing has changed since he and President Bush assumed office: "9/11.'' And the stakes of terrorist threats that the United States faces today have only increased since then, Cheney said" I couldn't have said it any better. HEELLLLLOOOO. Posted by: DD | Apr 15, 2007 10:34:25 AM I agree with Cheney on the nuke threat. That is why I think it's stupid to spend our treasure and lives in Iraq when we have so much to do here with regards to Homeland Security. Remember, this is a White House that couldn't protect us from a flood, or the flu even. We've yet to safeguard our ports, where such a device would most likely enter the country. Similarly, it's ridiculous that we're wasting so many intelligence and paramilitary resources in Iraq, when we're fighting a Global War, as Bush states. Our resources should be distributed in small teams to hot spots around the world, not concentrated in one country. Look at Israel. When they jump in with commando raids or lighting strikes and move out quickly, they do well in this type of battle. When they try to occupy ground, they're a disaster. It's a joke that Bush is trying to be the Thomas Jefferson of the Middle East when we're so woefully behind in fighting the real war.

Posted by: Bill | Apr 15, 2007 10:51:38 AM Iraq. It's like Viet Nam, only spelled different. Posted by: Jim Hilly | Apr 15, 2007 11:30:27 AM It is good to know we have a man of Cheney's caliber in a key position. He is not just a politician and he understands the limitations of big government. We do rely on govenment to defend us and that should be governments key role. Right now we are in a World War. It appears most American's do not have the guts to stop the radical Islamists before more governments fall and more 9/11s happen. We need to wake up and support our leaders. If we do not step up to the table now, our descendents will need to fight a much larger battle 10 or 20 years down the road. Did we not learn anything from the days leading up to the last World War? Posted by: John Steinmetz | Apr 15, 2007 11:35:32 AM Bush and Cheney are alarmists. They are better at striking fear into the hearts of our citizens than they are at actually running the country. What's that? We're slipping in the polls? Better crank the terror alert up to orange! Hmm? Democrats are more popular than us warmongers? Well, start talking about the threat of nuclear weapons on US soil. THAT will get the people to rally behind us! We're losing support for the war? Start a rumor that we've discovered a terror threat in a major city - then tomorrow we can say that nothing happened because we were able to stop it on time. I don't CARE that it's not real, no one will know the difference. The boys who cried wolf. When something really DOES happen, no one is going to take notice until it is too late. And it will be all their fault. Or maybe they just do it so that when a real attack comes they can say "see, what have we been saying all along?" Posted by: LK | Apr 15, 2007 11:41:35 AM All this blathering from the right about how much safer we are from terrorist attacks becasue of Bush/Cheney, but here, even Cheney admitted the threat of an attack has only incresed. So lets continue a dead-end war the US started in Iraq, which we can't afford to leave, but will only further hurt our chances to fight terrorism becasue of diminshed military strength, & billions of dollars diverted from investigating real threats. What good is it being stuck in Iraq when Cheney worries about a nuclear bomb being detonated in the US? Posted by: RomanB | Apr 15, 2007 11:44:57 AM Of course I believe Cheney's concern for loose nukes is sincere when his office coordinated the outing of a career CIA operative whose brief was controlling loose nukes. Sure. Posted by: athena | Apr 15, 2007 11:46:32 AM While America's focus is on Iran's growing nuke programs (and doing little about it), the whole region is moving in that direction along with potential weapons capabilities: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/world/middleeast/15sunnis.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Posted by: Kenny Bunkport | Apr 15, 2007 11:47:43 AM Of course Cheney and his White House cronies are using the fear factor of terrorist nuclear threats. The terrorist nuclear threat is a reality and has been extensively written about since the early 1980s. I have attended presentations given by terrorism experts on this issue for twenty-five years. But coming from Cheney, one whose integrity is questionable, this poses even a greater threat. During the death throws of the Nixon administration in the summer of 1974, then Secretary of Defense James Schlesinger wrote a memo to the Joint Chiefs which stated that any any order for a nuclear attack coming from the Nixon White House would have to be approved by him, too. We are witnessing the death throws of an administration whose integrity is highly suspect, an administration which “lost” $8 billion in cash in Bagdad in the early days of their present war, a Vice-President who is moving the base of operations of his Halliburton Corporation to Dubai, and an administration that has shackled the truth for six years. These folks can’t be trusted. Would the USA bomb its own people? Well, yes. The USA did so during the days of nuclear testing from 1945 through the 1980s, consistently lying about the dangers of nuclear fallout to residents of Nevada and Utah. Therefore, Cheney can put the fear of the terrorist nuclear threat out there in the public’s mind. Let us hope that Cheney will not be the one who is manipulating the attack! Posted by: skeptic | Apr 15, 2007 11:52:44 AM Condoleezza Rice tried to sell us on the war in Iraq by warning us that "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Her assessment, and that of the administration, regarding the threat of Iraqi WMDs proved to be completely wrong. Now Cheney tells us that we can't leave Iraq or else we're going to get nuked. It's not only the same song, they haven't even bothered to change the words. Posted by: Jeff V. | Apr 15, 2007 11:57:18 AM One way to stop his lies is to stop putting him on television and stop covering what he says.

Why should any news organization cover his remarks: he is a proven liar, law-breaker, and treasonous official. Posted by: Kathleen Keenan-Takagi | Apr 15, 2007 11:59:00 AM This administration made a career of lying to us.I would not believe a single word that come from them.

Once a liar-always a liar. Posted by: Greg | Apr 15, 2007 12:06:55 PM Dick Cheney is STILL trying to sell us the weapons of mass destruction story? Sure, nuclear-armed terrorists is a scary idea. Tom Clancy called it "The sum of all fears" in his book published in 1991. But I'd feel a whole lot safer from nuclear-armed terrorists if Cheney could explain how much of the "emergency" funding bill will be spent on US port security. Or how much will go to helping secure decommissioned weapon material in former soviet states. This is a very real threat, so maybe we should focus our resources on stopping a possible nuclear attack instead of wasting them on the endless Iraqi civil war. The last thing we need to hear is Condi or Dick or George saying "No one could possibly imagine..."

Posted by: Tom O | Apr 15, 2007 12:08:46 PM How did this country ever sink so low as to elect this fool and his bigger fool boss? It took the Republican dominated Supreme Court in 2000 to send our country down this road (never mind that the framers of the constitution specifically intended the judicial branch stay out of the electoral process), but it also took a lot of foolhardy votes from a large, ignorant segment of our population to get it to the Court. And, a similarly large segment again voted in 2004 for these same evil idiots. I hate to say it, but we deserve everything Bush/Cheney has brought on us. And, no, I didn't vote for them either time. Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | Apr 15, 2007 12:22:07 PM Do ya maybe think that there would be a diminished chance of there being a nuclear attack in a major American city if, rather than spending a half TRILLION dollars on an unnecessary war and an unsuccessful occupation, we had spent some money on developing an effective and efficient human intelligence network in the Middle East? Or real port security? Better immigration control? Or perhaps even enough development aid to make some friends in the global community so that we weren't breeding hatred towards our nation? Maybe some combination of all of these. Please, wake up and realize that the slash and burn policies of this administration have done nothing, nothing at all, but leave this nation weaker, poorer, more isolated and more hated in the world community than we were when the fundamentalist nutbags attacked us in the first place. The self-absorption and short-sightedness of the past 7 years is unconscionable. Posted by: Dutch101 | Apr 15, 2007 12:26:47 PM Every time they try to scare us it's because they're hiding something. We already know that. If the press were to do its job, reporters would already be trying to find out what it is they're distracting us from this time. Posted by: Cheryl | Apr 15, 2007 12:52:14 PM John, In the last world war, we committed enough troops and materials to secure the countries we defeated. Our leaders didn't try to win on the cheap. Oh, and we didn't start that war. I guess Cheney had other priorities when they were teaching those lessons. Your world war on "radical Islam" sounds a lot like a new crusade. I hope most Americans would want us to fight the terrorists who attacked us and not create new terrorists by spreading chaos and destruction across the middle east as we have in Iraq. Our descendents will face the same threat many times over if we continue the Bush doctrine of invading countries that have not attacked us. Posted by: Tom O | Apr 15, 2007 1:01:08 PM RomanB, I can see why you dislike that ComCast,Slowsky's commercial.

You're a S-L-O-W thinker like B.J.Clinton was.Terrorist attacks all over the world against us and he was S-L-O-W to react to any of them because he wanted to protect his poll numbers instead of protecting us.

No attacks since 9/11,did Bush move to F-A-S-T to protect us,in your S-L-O-W opinion? Paulo

Posted by: Paulo | Apr 15, 2007 1:04:23 PM Mr. Cheney has jeopardized this country's safety. He fails to recognize that his unlawful invasion of Iraq only served to create a safe haven for terrorists, and emboldening the Iranians to surge ahead with nuclear plans. He is a paranoid, megalomaniacal politician who is a danger to this country's physical and moral wellbeing. He has a consistent pattern of lying to the Amerian people, so how can we possibly believe anything he says? Posted by: A patriot | Apr 15, 2007 1:08:31 PM Dick Cheney is the scum of the Earth. Him and Bush could care less about those American lives lost in the war, as long as it's Dick agenda that we're pursuing in Middle East. The people who truly care about those soldiers are their families. It makes me sick to hear these guys go on TV and rail against Democrats for not supporting our troops, when it was Bush & Co. who placed these young people in the middle of firefights, and in position to be exploded by IEDs. Sure Dick, you care a lot about those guys Posted by: Capitol Hill Billy | Apr 15, 2007 1:37:12 PM Mr. Cheney is the one who talked Bush 1 out of attacking Iraq in the first Gulf War. I heard the tape on NPR in August 2005. Everything that has gone wrong there he predicted would happen in 1991. I would like someone to ask him why he changed his tune. Now he wants us to duct tape and cover... Posted by: lochnessmonster | Apr 15, 2007 1:39:43 PM

You're a S-L-O-W thinker like B.J.Clinton was.Terrorist attacks all over the world against us and he was S-L-O-W to react to any of them because he wanted to protect his poll numbers instead of protecting us.

No attacks since 9/11,did Bush move to F-A-S-T to protect us,in your S-L-O-W opinion? Paulo

Posted by: Paulo | Apr 15, 2007 1:04:23 PM

Speaking of S-L-O-W, Paulo, how's your research coming to provide PROOF that the Clinton campaign was behind the Obama "madrassa school" smear, or PROOF that Bill Clinton pardoned 14 terrorists before he left office. I mean, you posted the Hillary smear BACK on FEB 20th, and the Clinton smear OVER A WEEK AGO - so what's taking you so L-O-N-G to provide proof of your statements? Or is the real truth that YOU CAN'T PROVIDE PROOF BECAUSE THESE SMEARS ARE TOTALLY FALSE!!!

Posted by: BC | Apr 15, 2007 1:44:48 PM In order to stomach the Bush team, you've got to be scared to death! Their performance - anywhere they've been is "NOT PRETTY". Why won't the Bush team reveal what it knows about that terror warning message delivered by the head of the CIA two months prior to 9/11/2001? Has the Bush team done anything that it can show-and tell-about. Why is the Bush team ALWAYS RHETORIC? Almost any kind of terror threat is possible anywhere in the world - but for the Bush team to challenge terrorists to "bring it on" might help the Bush team to keep the thought of terror in the minds of America. And keep rhetoric in mind. Don't ever used the Bush teams performance as a measure of the effectiveness of the Bush team. It is not necessarily how you perform against terror, but how you "talk" about terror. But the pre-9/11/2001 terror warning, said to have been delivered by Mr. George Tenet of the CIA should not be talked about. Why is that? The Bush team is going to leave you to your own thoughts on that one. And man, being the rational animal he is will do just that - until an answer is revealed. How was that document used to protect America? That document, in the hands of the world's best terror fighters, could have been quite a tool for gifted terror fighters.

Posted by: bezelt | Apr 15, 2007 1:49:43 PM Please leave me out of your child-like defence of all things Bush & Cheney. Quit pushing they're lies. You push it. You push it real good. p.s. I'm gonna have to ask you to back off. Posted by: Bill Slowsky | Apr 15, 2007 1:53:04 PM Maybe none of us gave the former Congresswoman from GA enough credit. Here's to you, Cynthia, you at least got this right: ARTICLE I. FAILURE TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION In violation of the oath of office, which reads: `I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States has demonstrated a pattern of abuse of office and of executive privilege, and disregard for the Constitution itself. This conduct includes the following: Manipulating Intelligence and Lying To Justify War In violation of the separation of powers under the Constitution and his subsequent obligation to share intelligence with the Congress, George Walker Bush, while serving as President of the United States of America, in preparing the invasion of Iraq, did withhold intelligence from the Congress, by refusing to provide Congress with the full intelligence picture that he was being given, by redacting information by, for example, removing portions of reports such as the August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief, and actively manipulating the intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons programs by pressuring the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies to provide intelligence such that `the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy' as revealed in the `Downing Street Memo'. To this end, President George Walker Bush and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld created the Office of Special Plans inside the Pentagon to override existing intelligence reports by providing unreliable evidence that supported the claim that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent threat to the United States of America. By justifying the invasion of Iraq with false and misleading statements linking Iraq to the attacks of September 11, 2001, and falsely asserting that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program for which it was importing aluminum tubes and uranium, these assertions being either false, or based on `fixed' intelligence, with the intent to misinform the people and their representatives in Congress in order to gain their support for invading Iraq, denying both the people and their representatives in Congress the right to make an informed choice, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America. ARTICLE II. ABUSE OF OFFICE AND OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE In violation of his oath to `faithfully execute the office of President of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States, has consistently demonstrated disregard for that oath by obstructing and hindering the work of Congressional investigative bodies and by seeking to expand the scope of the powers of his office. This conduct includes the following: Failure To Uphold Accountability In abrogation of his responsibility under the oath of office to take care that the Laws be faithfully executed, by which he agreed to act in good faith and accept responsibility for the overall conduct of the Executive Branch, a duty vested in his office alone under the Constitution, George Walker Bush, failed to take responsibility for, investigate or discipline those responsible for an ongoing pattern of negligence, incompetence and malfeasance to the detriment of the American people. Those whom George Walker Bush, as President of the United States of America, has failed to hold to account include but are not limited to the following top-level officials in his administration: (a) RICHARD CHENEY- In violation of his oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, played a key role in manipulating intelligence in the interest of promoting the illegal invasion of Iraq by pressuring analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency to `fix' their intelligence estimates of the danger posed by Iraq in relation to weapons of mass destruction, whereby Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America. (b) CONDOLEEZZA RICE- In violation of her Constitutional duty to share and provide accurate and truthful intelligence information with the Congress, as former National Security Advisor to the President, did play a leading role in deceiving Congress and the American public by repeating and propagating false statements concerning Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction program, including false information that the purchase of aluminum tubes demonstrated that Iraq was pursuing a nuclear weapons program, false information that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium and false information that Iraq sought help in developing a chemical and biological weapons program; whereby Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States of America, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America. By neglecting to superintend the conduct of these officials and to hold members of the Executive Branch responsible for their negligence or violations of law, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America. Wherefore, by their aforementioned conduct, George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice warrant impeachment, trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III. FAILURE TO ENSURE THE LAWS ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED In violation of his duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States of America to `take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed', George Walker Bush, during his tenure as President of the United States, has violated the letter and spirit of laws and rules of criminal procedure used by civilian and military courts, and has violated or ignored regulatory codes and practices that carry out the law. This conduct includes the following: Illegal Domestic Spying In violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) [50 U.S.C. Chapter 36], George Walker Bush did clandestinely direct the National Security Agency and various other intelligence agencies, in secret and outside the lawful scope of their mandates, for purposes unrelated to any lawful function of his offices, to conduct electronic surveillance of citizens of the United States on U.S. soil without seeking to obtain, before or after, a judicial warrant, thereby subverting the powers of the Congress and the Judiciary by circumventing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) courts established by Congress, whose express purpose is to check such abuses of executive power, provoking the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to file a complaint and another judge to resign in protest, the said program having been subsequently ruled illegal (ACLU vs. NSA); he has also concealed the existence of this unlawful program of spying on American citizens from the people and all but a few of their representatives in Congress, even resorting to outright public deceit as on April 20, 2004, when he told an audience in Buffalo, New York: `any time you hear the United States Government talking about wiretap, it requires . . . a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so', whereby said George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America. In all of this, George Walker Bush has repeatedly and unapologetically misled the American people and has sought to undermine the system of checks and balances established by the Founding Fathers. Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, and in the interest of saving our Constitution and our democracy from the threat of arbitrary government, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. Posted by: Rick/Sneads Ferry, NC | Apr 15, 2007 1:55:31 PM Comments are not posted immediately. We review them first in an effort to remove foul language, commercial messages, irrelevancies and unfair attacks. Thank you for your patience.



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