Tucker Carlson and Enrique Morones, executive director and founder of the pro-immigration activist group, “Border Angels,” heartily debated the morality of national borders on Fox News Monday night.

Near the segment’s conclusion, Morones, a self-proclaimed “proud American, but an even prouder Mexican,” told the Fox News host that the United States’ own drug use and past interventions in foreign countries are responsible for driving many illegal immigrants to come to America.

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“The U.S. policy is what drives a lot of these people out,” Morones argued. “The intervention in Central America, the demand by the drugs of the American public, the intervention in the Middle East by President Bush. Those things cause people to leave. There’s a consequence to those actions.”

“So you’re saying because the American government behaves in the immoral ways you just listed and because it’s citizens take drugs that it has no right to control its borders?” Carlson responded. ‘That appears to be what you are saying.”

“No I’m saying that it has a great deal to do with people are leaving these countries,” Moronoes answered. “You brought me on to talk about Trump’s immoral policies.”

“And they are predicated on the idea — a very simple idea, we can debate on how you get there — you have a right to control who comes into your country,” The Daily Caller founder shot back at Morones. “You say no you don’t… Does a country have a right to control who comes in or out?”

The Border Angels Director finally conceded that “yes,” both the United States and Mexico have the right to secure their borders.

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