Fwd: EMBARGOED TRANSCRIPT: Hillary Clinton on Morning Joe - [Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Campaign]

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while the guy who treats her fairly and wants to talk about her economic plan waits John Harwood CNBC/NYT 202 669 0751 Begin forwarded message: EMBARGOED TRANSCRIPT: Hillary Clinton on Morning Joe<https://newsconnect.nbcuni.com/message/101684?et=watches.email.thread#101684> created by Jesse Rodriguez<https://newsconnect.nbcuni.com/people/206073709?et=watches.email.thread> in Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Campaign<https://newsconnect.nbcuni.com/groups/story-206017465-1434653776193?et=watches.email.thread> ________________________________ EMBARGOED UNTIL 6amET FRIDAY Joe & Mika sat down with Hillary Clinton in Kingstree, SC today for a wide-ranging interview that will air in its entirety on MSNBC's Morning Joe tomorrow. This transcript is embargoed until 6amET tomorrow. A tease clip has been released and has been posted to NewsConnect. PLEASE COURTESY: MSNBC/MORNING JOE Thank you. -- SCARBOROUGH: So, you know, on our show we sort of speak our mind for better or worse sometimes for candidates, so for you sometimes worse? BRZEZINSKI: Make her laugh. SCARBOROUGH: No, but I've got to say over the past couple of days we have said for better, but you seem to be a different candidate since Nevada. In fact, the second you got up on stage and started speaking in Nevada it reminded of the Hillary Clinton from 2008. What was different and what is different now? CLINTON: That's a great observation. You know, I don't know. I think it does take me a little bit longer to get into the rhythm of campaigning to feel what I'm doing and how it's working. And I felt just really good when we hit our stride in Nevada. I felt like not only was the campaign and the message of breaking all barriers really beginning to take hold and people could understand it, but I just felt that we were on the upward trajectory, so maybe that's what you were seeing. SCARBOROUGH: You also said something, too, in an interview, and I'm not exactly sure which one it was -- that it was -- we've been talking about how calculating you were and how it seems to be not the person that we know personally. But you said in an interview earlier this week that your biggest challenge was convincing voters that you were not interested in what was best for you -- CLINTON: Right. SCARBOROUGH: -- you had to convince them that were doing this for them. CLINTON: Right. Right. SCARBOROUGH: Talk about them -- CLINTON: So -- SCARBOROUGH: -- and the misconceptions that they saw you've been fighting. CLINTON: This has kind of come to me over the last months because it is painful. It's hurtful to have people say, oh, I don't trust her or don't know why she's doing it. And it suddenly struck me, well, maybe there is this underlying question like is she doing it for herself, or is she really in it for us? And I've always thought of myself as being service-oriented. I always believed that I was in it for trying to help people get a better shot in life -- even the odds. And I think I'm just going to keep reaching out, talking about what I've done, what I will do, and making the case that people can count on me because they always have in the past. SCARBOROUGH: so, somebody said something else very funny, like she just seems different. And she seemed different this week. She's more relaxed. She's what we've been saying all along she should be, and it's really surprising. And I think it was ? that said -- said no, the Clintons actually have a 30-year history of near-death experiences and then there's ? So the question is what don't you just make it easy on yourself and forget the ? routine and just make it easy from the beginning for your supporters and ? CLINTON: OK, let's do that from now on. OK? I like that alternative. SCARBOROUGH: Yes, right. CLINTON: That's an interesting observation and there may be some truth to it because part of it is, though, I always feel like I am carrying a big weight of responsibility for so many people. I really do have the sense that a lot of people are counting on me, a lot of people are expecting me to help them, a lot of people are really in my corner, and I think that does sometimes get me a little bit tensed up, to be honest. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: You know? I think I'm afflicted the responsibility. SCARBOROUGH: As we're getting for the interview and Mika was writing things -- and she's writing notes and everything, I was sitting here talking. How you guys doing over there? And Mika -- she goes man versus me fretting over every note and carrying notes. Do you ever look at your husband how he did it and go, oh, it's not fair? CLINTON: Well, look. I think Mika and I understand this and maybe it's because still today, when you are high-achieving woman -- particularly one in the public eye -- you really are just expected to perform at a higher level all the time. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: And there are not enough experiences with different styles or different approach that women make. Men -- my goodness -- you know there's a million different ways you can be successful, you communicate, and all the rest of it. And, look, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. I am not a natural politician like Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, and so for me it really came through the root of service. It really came from my deep conviction that we had to make sure that this country we all love kept producing opportunities for everybody, and I see that merrily and I see people being left out and it upsets me. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: And so, I invest a lot of energy and a lot of my own emotion into what I do, and I think sometimes instead of that being as easy to understand as I would like it to be, it sometimes is a little bit like nerve wracking. SCARBOROUGH: And we actually saw that with Jeb. A guy who knew policy forward and backward, but in 2016 it just didn't seem to be interpreted as well as it -- BRZEZINSKI: They have a lot of different branding and messages out there. You've got Donald Trump, Make American Great Again. Right. Bernie Sanders, the system is rigged. What is your message, simply? CLINTON: Break down the barriers to America and Americans live up to their potential. That is it. That's what I care about, that's what I've always done, that's what I'm talking about. I feel very comfortable talking about that and it's hit me because -- look, I care deeply about the economic barriers. I think I have the best idea about how to create jobs and get incomes rising, and all the other things you have to do to get the economy growing and get it fair. But economic barriers are not the only things that hold people back. I mean, we were just talking about some of the gender-related issues that hold women back. There's race, there's LGBT discrimination. There's a lot of reasons why people feel somehow put down or left behind. So using this barriers metaphor really works for me because it helps me organize everything I'm talking about. Knocking barriers, to quality help, to good education. You know, we're in a county here, where we're doing this interview, and it's one of the I-95 counties that there's a big documentary saying it was the corridor of shame because the schools are so poor. They're falling down. Kids are not being educated. They don't even have enough teachers. That's a big barrier. I mean, no matter how loving your family might be, if you don't have those opportunities that's going to hold you back. So that's how I now think about what I want to do as president, and it really helps maybe do a better job of conveying that. BRZEZINSKI: Someone even asked you, you expect concern about being held to a different standard as it pertains to the Wall Street speeches. And you said you would release the transcripts when the Republicans do. But isn't it more important, perhaps, to be transparent to Democratic voters about what you said to big banks behind closed doors? CLINTON: Well, I think I have been transparent. I have a record. I'm not coming to this for the first time. People can go back, they can look at what and what I did when I was a senator. I'm the one who called out Wall Street. I actually went to Wall Street in '07. I said you guys are going to wreck the economy. And I went after hedge fund loopholes. SCARBOROUGH: So, where did you say that? When did you say -- CLINTON: Back in December of 2007. You know, I even ran an ad in the'08 campaign -- it was in '07 -- warning about the mortgage crash. And so I'm on record. I have gone after these guys. I have been pointing fingers at them. I've been introducing legislation. So people who want to know about my public record, it's there to see. If people want to know what I will do as president -- everybody says, who's looked at it, I have the best plan to rein in Wall Street. To prevent them from ever doing what they did to us before. And I just want to move toward a level playing field. So, as I've said, happy to do it when everybody, including the Republicans, does it. BRZEZINSKI: But, if supporters are looking for it, don't you want to get ahead of it before somebody gets their hands on these transcripts? CLINTON: No. I really don�t because I want people to look at my record. People are treating me sometimes as though I just decided to run for president. I've been on the record on a lot of these issues for a really long time. The real question underneath this is OK, if you take money from Wall Street -- BRZEZINSKI: Right. CLINTON: -- can you regulate Wall Street? BRZEZINSKI: Right. CLINTON: Well, Barack Obama took more money from Wall Street than any candidate who's ever run for president. Turned around, passed and signed the Dodd-Frank bill. So, I think you should be judged on what you've done and I'm more than happy to put my record against Bernie Sanders. If you look at what caused the great recession -- a bill he voted for in 2000 -- had a greater impact than most of the talks that we're now doing. So, let's get everybody out on the same field. I feel like -- I don't mind being responsive. I don't mind answering questions, but at some point I want everybody to have to answer. BRZEZINSKI: Yes, I respect that call. Can you assure the American people that you didn't say anything in those speeches that would undermine your promise to be tough on Wall Street? CLINTON: Absolutely. Absolutely. And besides, I'm on the public record. I told them what I'm going to do. I said I'm going to go after big banks that pose a systemic risk. I want you to hold me accountable for that because I will do that exactly. SCARBOROUGH:(INAUDIBLE) because one of the chief complaints that a lot of people have is after the bailout the banks that were too big to fail got even bigger. Haven't they got even bigger? CLINTON: I think they have. SCARBOROUGH: I think whether it's Bank of America, or J.P. Morgan, or -- any of these big banks -- if they went down tomorrow<x-apple-data-detectors://6>we'd all be on the line again for that, right? CLINTON: Well, no, because now we're not going to bail them out. I mean, they have gotten bigger, but they've also been under much closer scrutiny. SCARBOROUGH: So, if Bank of American -- and I'm going to get into big trouble -- let's just say an ebank. We found out that what happens to Lehman Brothers is going to happen to Bank of America your third week in office. Somebody said listen, this is very simple. You let us go down, ATM machines across America are going to shut down, then our people aren't going to be able to get their money. You have to save us or the economy collapses. What do say to them? CLINTON: I say under Dodd-Frank we have an orderly unwinding of your bank because you are now posing a systemic risk. SCARBOROUGH: But, Madame President, the markets will absolutely collapse. Look how badly they collapsed after Lehman Brothers. We need you to step in now or you're going to be responsible for a global depression. What do you tell them? CLINTON: We're going to do in an orderly way so there will not be any surprises. The reason we passed Dodd-Frank was to make it clear no bank is too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail. And we've got to keep face with the American people. I'm sorry that you�ve made bad decisions, but we're going to have to unwind you and yes, break you up. And parts of you will be very successful going forward and others parts won't. And if there is any accountability that needs to be imposed on individual decisions, we will also follow through on that. I think it's a -- SCARBOROUGH: So, you can make the guarantee today that if you're president of the United States, under no circumstances will there be a taxpayer-funded bailout of these big banks? CLINTON: If the pose a systemic risk, we've got the process under Dodd-Frank now. SCARBOROUGH: OK. CLINTON: The tools have been provided and we have to follow through on that. And that banks have to know that we will follow through. SCARBOROUGH: That's a guarantee of no taxpayer bailout? CLINTON: No, because that's what we tried to fix in Dodd-Frank -- SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: -- and my point too, though, Joe, is this. I want to go further because if you really look at what happened in '07, '08 -- and you mentioned Lehman Brothers. It was investment banks like Lehman Brothers. It was big insurance companies like AIG. It was mortgage companies like Countrywide. So, the only culprits were not just the bank. There were others, as well. And I'm the only one with the plan who says, hey guys, Dodd-Frank is great. It gives us a foundation. It doesn't go far enough. We need to look at these other entities that pose systemic risks, as well. BRZEZINSKI: A champion on these issues is Elizabeth Warren. Do you see a role for her in your campaign or in the Clinton -- Hillary Clinton White House? SCARBOROUGH: You can sell my (INAUDIBLE) right here. CLINTON: I have the highest regard for her. I think she's doing an amazing job and she signed a letter two years ago urging me to run for president and we consult regularly. My staff consult regularly with her staff. So, I am very much interested in what she's doing and what she things we should be doing. SCARBOROUGH: Let me ask Mika a follow-up question. Will you consider her as vice president? CLINTON: Well, I'm not -- I can't get presumptuous. Right now I've got to win the nomination and then I'm going to take a deep breath and maybe get a good night's sleep, and then start thinking about that important decision. BRZEZINSKI: I wasn�t going to ask that, but OK. SCARBOROUGH: I want to ask you about something else we talked about this show yesterday or the day before. Bob Woodward came with a big folder that said Trump on it. CLINTON: Oh, my goodness. SCARBOROUGH: And he said we're going to go after this. He is going to be the next nominee -- BRZEZINSKI: Very upset. SCARBOROUGH: -- and nobody's gone after him. And I said, well Bob, actually there's a ? of articles nothing seems to stick to him. And I said the bigger question is not why the press hasn't investigated him because they have. The question is why doesn't stick to him, whereas everything seems to stick to Hillary Clinton? It's got to be frustrating, first of all, for you to see a double-standard -- not necessarily among the press, but among the voters. But why do you think that is that nothing sticks to Donald Trump but if you write something in 1973, the press would be chewing on it for two weeks. BRZEZINSKI: Or, if you said something in 1994, someone would hold up a sign and take it out of context right in front of a -- SCARBOROUGH: What you say today -- was it absolutely ridiculous? CLINTON: You know, look. I have a couple of responses, Joe. I think part of the reason why I'mgoing to be the nominee and I'mgoing to be the next president is because I have withstood all this. I have been vetted. I mean, I've been at this for decades now and despite all the incoming, I'm still here, I'm still forging ahead because I think in most cases most people kind of see through it and we go on together. The vetting on these other candidates has not even begun, and it will. And I think if you look -- my best memory on this, Joe, is that the Republicans in Nevada had fewer voters turn out than we did in Nevada. I think was like 70,000 to 80,000. SCARBOROUGH: Right: CLINTON:A very small group of people who are making this decision right now. When it moves from a general election I think you're going to see a real seriousness of people -- whoever the Republicans nominate -- turning and saying what do we really know about him. SCARBOROUGH: It�s most likely going to be Donald Trump, though, isn't it? CLINTON: Yes. I mean, right now it looks that, but I'm not going to handicap their race. I want to let them decide that. SCARBOROUGH: How surprised are you knowing Donald Trump -- as long as you've known Donald Trump -- and I did -- I actually. Look, she's exactly right when you answered the question why do you get, he said (INAUDIBLE). He's an interesting guy. He's fun. How surprised are you that we woke up after Nevada and everybody in Washington said, oh my God, this guy's most likely going to be the next nominee? CLINTON: Well, I didn't know him that well, but I did know him. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: And, I think it's been most surprising to me to see somebody who was affable and was good company, and had a reputation of being kind of bigger than life. Really traffic in a lot of the prejudice and paranoia, and some of the comments that he's made which have been so divisive and mean-spirited doesn�t quite fit with what I thought I knew about him. So, I think it's going to be interesting to see what -- if he does get the nomination -- he decides to do with it, how he presents himself. But he has really been offensive and in many respects surprising to those of us who did know him. SCARBOROUGH: Let's talk about the email controversy. Discovery's moving forward; a couple days ago that news broke. And sometimes your spokespeople come out and they'll say that this is a Republican attack, it's -- it's -- it's about the right wing going after you again. But it's obviously -- the FBI is involved. (CROSSTALK) CLINTON: Well, here's the thing -- SCARBOROUGH: "The New York Times" has been -- "The New York Times" has been reporting on this for some time. CLINTON: Yes, yes, right. SCARBOROUGH: So it's not like -- you could take elements of Benghazi and say, OK, Republicans are driving this. CLINTON: Right, right. SCARBOROUGH: For a political purpose. But here you do have an FBI investigation. You're not suggesting the FBI investigation's politicized, are you? CLINTON: No, but there's two different things. There is a security inquiry going on. And, you know, we respect that. It is on its own timetable but it's moving forward. Then there are these lawsuits. And I think when people say, well, look, this lawsuit, that's what they're talking about. They're not talking about the security inquiry; they're talking about Judicial Watch. SCARBOROUGH: Not the underlying investigation. CLINTON: No, not at all. No. And so they're really two different things; they get conflated sometimes. I am personally not concerned about it. I think that there will be resolution on the security inquiry. The litigation that other shave brought, and some of them are right-wing outfits, those will just proceed. And again I'm not worried or concerned about them, but I do think it's important not to confuse the two. And that's something I wanted to set straight. BRZEZINSKI: So in early primary states, younger women supported a seven-year -- 74-year-old Socialist man. (LAUGHTER) SCARBOROUGH: A man! A man? (CROSSTALK) SCARBOROUGH: It's a man, man! (LAUGHTER) BRZEZINSKI: And what do you make of -- I mean, and there were obviously news stories along the way looking at how women connect with you. I think it comes down to trust issues again, possibly not. Maybe you tell me. What's going on? Especially with younger women. CLINTON: Yes, I think -- I think with younger women, look, I think they have every reason to feel like, you know, things are kind of messed up. A lot of them have got an education with a huge price tag attached to it with student debt. They're not getting the jobs that they thought they would get. I think there's a lot of real frustration. And I talked to many, many young people, and even not just those who support time, those who support my opponent, and that's what comes through. It's like hey, the economy's failed us, the government's failed us, and we're excited somebody who says we're going to change it all. We're going to just start all over again. I totally get that. I mean, I can vaguely remember being that age and feeling a little bit like that myself. And so I keep saying I want to meet people where they are and particularly young people. That's why I put forth all of these ideas about student debt and college affordability and more good jobs, the things that they talk to me about. And also tackle a lot of the barriers, you know, whether it's racism or sexism or anything else, that is (INAUDIBLE) them. BRZEZINSKI: Equal pay. CLINTON: Equal pay. Huge issue. And young women ask me about it all the time. So I said many times, look, I know that a lot of them are not for me right now, but I'm for them. And I feel very optimistic when we get into the general election against whoever the Republicans nominate, you know, there's going to be a clear distinction that I'll be able to really build on. And I'm going to take people where they are, and a lot of young people are, you know, very worried about their futures. At the same time, they're among the most generous and tolerant. Well, you have two at home. BRZEZINSKI: I do. CLINTON: They're generous, tolerant, they're open-minded. BRZEZINSKI: And they're willful, they're materialistic, they can be very selfish. (LAUGHTER) (CROSSTALK) CLINTON: I think what we want to do though is love them as they are. BRZEZINSKI: OK. CLINTON: And then try to figure out -- BRZEZINSKI: Oh we love them. CLINTON: -- how do we create a better path for them so that when I say these things like, you know, I want you to have all the opportunities that you deserve in America, it's not hollow because it's got -- you know, it's got real meat to it and they can believe it. And when I draw contrasts with Senator Sanders, it's not because we disagree on goals -- I want to get to universal health coverage too; I just think I have a better way of getting there. So we begin to have a real dialogue; that's what I'm looking for. SCARBOROUGH: Speaking of having a real dialogue, when we've been around the country over the past seven, eight years, talking to group after group, whether it's with 92nd Street<x-apple-data-detectors://10> Y or in rural Alabama, we're really struck by how much people are alike, how their views of America are so similar, and how they're concerned about for the most part the same thing. And that is that we have a government that doesn't work. We've got -- and whether it's a very liberal audience we're speaking to or a conservative audience, they always ask, "Why can't they talk to each other? Why can't they get along?" Now you understand. If a Republican's elected, Democrats are politically going to try to knock their heads. It's just what happens. If a Democrat's elected, the same thing happens. You're not going to be shocked if you're elected president, but they're going to be coming after you from Day One. How do you get through that and do what we always say your husband did -- CLINTON: Right. SCARBOROUGH: -- with a Republican Congress that impeached him -- CLINTON: Right. SCARBOROUGH: -- but he kept working with them. CLINTON: That's right. SCARBOROUGH: And what Tip O'Neill did with Ronald Reagan even though he couldn't stand Ronald Reagan's governing philosophy and the same (INAUDIBLE)? How do you get past the animosity and keep working together for Americans? CLINTON: You know, Joe, it is the question that I'm probably asked more than any other. Like, how do you actually work together? I can just tell you, I come from the Bill Clinton school this. You've got to get up every day determined to try to find that common ground. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: And build that relationship. There is no substitute for building relationships. And I'll tell you a story which might surprise you, but you know, in the '90s I have a passion about foster care and adoption and what we can do to make it better, more kids get permitted homes. And I was trying to figure out, well, who can I get in the Congress to work with me on this? And so I did my research and I found out Tom DeLay had been a foster parent. I called him up. He was as surprised to hear from me as I was surprised to be talking to him. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: And I said, you know, Congressman, would you work with me on a big reform on adoption and foster care? Silence. He said, well, what do you want me to do? I said will you come to the White House? We'll have a meeting, we'll try to figure out how we can do this. And he did. Now I'm not sure I could have found any other common ground than that one slice -- SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: -- but that's what I want to do. There are people there who are honorable, who care about solving problems, on both sides of the aisle. How do we begin to connect with each other, to see each other as human beings? Now look, you and I know there are the outliers who are never going to compromise, they're never going to do that. SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: But they're still thankfully a minority. How do we have a more open process to bring people in, to listen to them? You know, I thought what Patty Murray and Paul Ryan did after the government shutdown in the fall of 2013 was a textbook example. They were charged with go get a budget. We had this really bitter experience. They didn't start by walking into a conference room flanked by their acolytes carrying binders; they had breakfast together. They called each other on the phone. They actually got to know each other as people. What a novel idea. SCARBOROUGH: Shocking. CLINTON: We've got to get back to that. And I know it's hard because people fly in, they fly out, they're not there, we don't have the opportunities -- but I think what you've heard and what you both have experienced traveling around is people across our country want that to happen. We just have to do more to create the conditions where it's a win-win as much as possible. Now I will also stand my ground on things that I don't agree with� SCARBOROUGH: Right. CLINTON: But let's try to find as much as common ground as possible. SCARBOROUGH: President Clinton said governors and presidents can't afford to have long memories. We've heard stories in the press before about how you're tough and you're driven and you remember people that (inaudible) to when you're president of the United States. Is that your governing philosophy as well, if you get elected president of the United States, that you need to have a short memory -- CLINTON: Absolutely. SCARBOROUGH: You need to wake up every morning and forget about what happened yesterday (ph). CLINTON: You know, when I got to the Senate, Lindsey Graham was my colleague. SCARBOROUGH: Lindsey. Yeah. CLINTON: And we started to get to know each other. There was a lot of history there, as you know. And then we teamed up to get health care for National Guard members. I traveled with him and John McCain. We got to know each other. And that is exactly what I will do. You know, there are very few people or events in politics where you say you got to write somebody off. There are a couple where people really do things that are just so (inaudible) and really indefensible. But otherwise, you take people where they are, you try to get to know them better and then you try to find that common ground. When I was separating the new START Treaty through the Senate, I had to get a bunch of Republicans. I spent countless hours on the phone, in meetings, what do you need, how do we do this, what can I say to you to reassure you, what expert do you want to talk to? I'm really hands on about this because I don't think there's any way other than to do that. BRZEZINSKI: It's a gender thing, though. They forget everything. We remember everything. CLINTON: That's true. BRZEZINSKI: We have to work on that, right? CLINTON: That's true. That's true. Empty it out every night. Empty it out. You've got to get rid of it. Don't live with it. Don't ruin it. SCARBOROUGH: One time she went to a phone to call somebody who had just had a huge fight. Turned around she goes, I'm going to be like you. Done. Hey! BRZEZINSKI: How are you? SCARBOROUGH: It is a challenge. Well thank you so much. CLINTON: Well thanks for coming to South Carolina. SCARBOROUGH: We really appreciate you sitting down with us. BRZEZINSKI: Thanks for your time. CLINTON: My pleasure. Thank you both so much. SCARBOROUGH: All right. We'll see you again. CLINTON: Nice to see you. END Reply to this post by replying to this email Post a new update or discussion in Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Campaign by email<mailto:discussions-groups-story--206017465--1434653776193@newsconnect.hosted.jivesoftware.com>