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Packeteers

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Packeteers Premium Member FCC is powerless only Congress can make isp's title-2

and they are too do nothing and too

much in isp's back pockets to change.



why EFF says this is probably just for

page hit donors - they know it's futile.



also it's the ftc that regulate utilities

not the fcc - stupid eff page hit whores. Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 Member Re: FCC is powerless The FCC was created by Congress to do part of it's job so they didnt have to as was every other regulatory agency.



All of their powers are 100% dependent on Congress and reclassifying them to Title II is within the control of the FCC. Whether or not Congress will attempt to interfere with that is another thing.

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Packeteers Premium Member Re: FCC is powerless said by Skippy25: powers are 100% dependent on Congress and reclassifying them to Title II is within the control of the FCC you just contradicted yourself there - buddy... Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO 1 recommendation Skippy25 Member Re: FCC is powerless No I didn't.



The first point that apparently went over your head is that no matter what agency we speak of they get 100% of their power from Congress as they are an extension of Congress because Congress created them to offload their work. The 2nd point is that Congress defers to opinions of the experts they allow to work within those agencies.



The FCC has classified and reclassified services in the past and it did not take an "act of Congress" for it to happen as you claimed in your original statement. Thus Congress has given them the power to classify services as they see best as Congress is not equipped with the technical expertise to say otherwise.



If they do reclassify them will we hear about "Congress" wanting to review or change it? Sure, but by "Congress" they (media) mean the corporate puppets that have been elected that are looking out for the best interest of their legalized bribery funds. wispalord

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you are dead on if they reclassify it then there caps have to be checked like gas with weights and measures and all kinds of stuff this will never happen YDC

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Hewlett, NY YDC Member Reclassify Now I think the best way to control this is to force a split as was done in 1996. This time it has to be bigger though. A simple fix..



If an area is served/wired by less than three terrestrial ISPs, then the ISPs would be forced to allow last mile connections through third party sellers at cost plus 15%. In all other areas last mile would be optional, but if not allowed then the entity would be reclassified and tariffs placed. If cost were artificially inflated then it would be easy to apply other legal actions against them.



Remove all local blockades to other carriers providing services. If a company wants in they should be allowed to wire any neighborhood without restriction or agreements for kickback! Enough feeding greed! Light poles are for lease by whoever owns them. No exceptions or they can be removed altogether and another party allowed to place their own poles under the same terms.



In other words, let them be greedy and let them seal their own fates!

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Re: Reclassify Now I agree with you 100 percent and existing antitrust laws should be enforced like they were in 1984 with the breakup of Bell System. I think it's time to breakup Comcast instead of letting it get bigger. They should be forced to divest their content holdings (NBC Universal) and their ISP business (true last mile connectivity where third party ISPs actually provide the internet connection and Comcast just maintains the physical plant). Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO 1 recommendation Skippy25 to YDC

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I would disagree.



All last mile every where should have forced line sharing regardless of the number of terrestrial ISPs available. It is not like they are forced to give it away. They are allowed to charge a "rental" rate that still provides them profit. Maybe not as much, but if the Incumbents want more than they can provide a better service / product to entice people to use them instead.

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Sunnyvale, CA Hagar Member Re: Reclassify Now + 1 WhatNow

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Hat to spoil your party bu there is only so much room on a pole and most of the time that is already taken by the Power, which you have to stay a certain distance from, telco and cable. Google had to get a variance to place the fiber on the poles. Most small companies are going to get that pass. I have noticed when a pole needs to be changed out that the power and telco AT&T get their stuff moved but the cable TWC may not move their cable for a year or longer. How do you think a new small company is going to do with maintenance.



Also they went buried for utilities in new housings a few decades ago so the new company is going to have to bury the fiber. Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO 1 recommendation Skippy25 Member Re: Reclassify Now I'm not sure how you are spoiling my party when you are providing a supporting argument for ALL lines being shared.



I have preached for years and will continue to do so that there should be 1 fiber network nationwide to every home and business in the entire country and that any every service provider that wants to service that node should be able to do so for a set rate. Then any consumer can pick any provider of services be it Internet, TV, Phone or whatever the next big thing is and get that service from them based on services, price and customer satisfaction.

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@71.238.24.x darkfuture Anon No hope While well written and clear, I feel this article takes away any hope of actually accomplishing anything with regards to the internet in the US. The phrase of the day is "no hope". sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: No hope 15 years of deregulation, broken promises, and corrupt regulatory agencies will do that to you.

RadioDoc



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La Grange, IL RadioDoc 14 years too late The FCC had the chance to classify ISPs as common carriers in 2000 but bought Comcast's "information service" nonsense instead, which effectively ended the discussion. It's far too late to start trying to reanimate that zombie now. your comment..

