David Holmgren joins me to talk about his work on revising his now classic text, Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability. His focus in doing so was to give the book greater clarity, to make it more accessible, and a little easier for a novice to approach. Starting in that space, we also talk about the evolution of Permaculture principles in general, whether we should talk about resilience as a principle or system characteristic, before moving on to talk about the security that comes from growing our own food.

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We then move to talk about adapting the space where people already live, in low-density residential housing in cities, towns, and villages so that they can create resilient households. That strong household provides the base from which to rebuild our communities. These ideas are a reflection on David’s work of the last several years, which leads to another upcoming book, RetroSuburbia. I’m planning another interview with David to focus more on this book at that time.

We begin to wrap up the conversation with some listener questions on Novel Ecosystems and whether or not he’ll be coming to the United States with the new release of Permaculture or RetroSuburbia. We close, of course, with David’s closing thoughts.

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