movement itself, Otegi has continued playing a key role in the peace negotiations processes (most prominently in 2006), persuading the military wing to eventually abandon its armed operations.

Below, Otegi speaks tofor

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We need to put the dynamics of ETA’s disarming into context. I see it in terms of a cycle of change that has taken place all over the world: in the last decade or so most of the movements that had been carrying out armed struggle have been giving up this sort of strategy in order to become movements of popular resistance, movements for building social majorities and democratic majorities in parliament.

I think we are seeing the end of a long global cycle with the passing of outstanding figures like Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, Manuel Marulanda and Martin McGuiness, and that’s the context in which I think the disarming of ETA, a group that has carried out armed struggle for 50 years in our country, has to be seen. We are very pleased that this is the case, we are very convinced—not only in political terms but also in terms of revolutionary morality—that in building the road forward to overcoming our condition as an oppressed people, we have to ensure peaceful and democratic methods. We think that this is the pathway, and I believe that ETA has risen to the challenge by making an historic contribution to the independence movement with its own disarming.

Obviously, nobody can avoid recognising the level of suffering that the armed struggle and government repression have brought to our country: that’s the reality and it must be understood. We have brought to the discussion three things we’ve done: the removal of the armed struggle from Basque politics; the recognition of the damage done; and the recognition that we too are in part responsible for the suffering in the country.

In the context of that large cycle of changes in strategy across the world I think that this has been the contribution of the Basque independence movement up until now.

I think we have said quite clearly, adopting as our own the international principles and standards of conflict resolution, that once ETA has disarmed, the issues of the prisoners, the exiles and the demilitarisation of the country have to be confronted. In our country, we have one policeman for every 20 inhabitants, the highest in Europe: they are Spanish police and the Civil Guard.

I believe there are two levels on which the conditions of the prisoners should change with disarming. There’s the non-political level, covering prisoners of an advanced age or with severe illnesses: from my point of view they should be released unconditionally, it’s a humanitarian issue beyond politics. I put the issue of the Basque political diaspora on the same level.

Then, once ETA has disarmed we should start discussions among the various progressive political forces about how to start reviewing all state-of-emergency regulations insofar as they affect prison policy. I think that will be the next step and here we can work with sections of the Spanish left—with a lot of patience, discretion and caution so we don’t hurt certain sensibilities. I believe this is the way to make some progress in resolving these issues.

Within the Basque country, there is large majority in favour of self-determination, with 57 MPs out of 75 [in the parliament of the Basque Autonomous Region in Spain]. And out of these, between our 18 and Podemos’s 11, we have 29 in total, putting us ahead of the 28 of the PNV [Basque Nationalist Party]. So it appears that we have a broad majority for the right to self-determination and a broad progressive majority as well.

However, the question is not one of trying to create a single political and ideological amalgam out of these majorities. What we should be putting on the table are possible common alliances and dynamics so that our policies in national terms move forward towards sovereignty and the exercise of the right to self-determination while policies on day-to-day concerns shift leftwards: this is the work that Sortu and EH Bildu have to do.

We have always declared ourselves to be ecologists, and always have been, but now I believe that this description has even greater validity and topicality. We are aware that right now capitalism in a very difficult predicament is weakening the conditions supporting human life. For the first time the human footprint is putting at risk the very biological and material conditions of human life: that’s one of the legacies that savage capitalism has brought us. That’s why we understand that when we talk about economic growth, and about sustainability and all the rest, the emphasis has to be on respect for nature, on how we human beings relate to nature.

We have a long tradition here of fighting against nuclear power plants and nuclear energy, a long tradition of struggling to keep our natural landscapes intact and that is why Sortu also had to declare itself as socialist, feminist, and ecologist. Because we understand that at a time when capital is putting life at risk and when probably the greatest contradiction in the world is the contradiction between capital and life, then we have to make a clear commitment to re-launching and intensifying our ecological profile. Today environmentalism is one of the most important components of global anti-capitalism.

For some time now, we—and me in particular--have been asserting the need for something, I don’t know if it’s a new international or a world-wide forum, because we are accused of being nationalists but we always say we are not nationalists, we are supporters of independence. There’s a mountain of problems in the world and the worse ones, the structural ones, can only be confronted on a global scale or at least a European scale. I think that as left-wingers, progressives, people who belong to political parties or unions, we need a functional forum in which to tackle these problems.

I always put forward as an example what happened in Greece. Greece faced the Troika [European Commission, European Central Bank and International Monetary Fund] and everybody looked away as if it was only a Greek concern, while we, who were in jail at the time, were saying that that fight was everybody’s fight against savage capitalism and that the Greek defeat was a defeat for all of us.

What we missed while in prison and what we still miss now is when is there going to be a Europe-wide general strike against austerity policies. These sorts of demands need to be put to a global-scale, at least European-scale, forum that can start to tackle these issues: not so much a forum for theoretical debate but a practical forum that can develop answers on a global scale. We are going to make the effort to raise this thinking wherever we are—with our small forces and with great humility—but we really think it is necessary to move forward in this area.

We do not have any kind of relation with the National Front, nor do we have any sort of relationship with those who those who put forward xenophobic policies or nationalist policies of the right. We have had some relations with the groups from Flanders, but this was based on the historic factors of the exiled Basque communities that have been based in Belgium and maintained relations with Flemish nationalists, but we certainly do not follow the same ideological vision nor do we have the same vision in terms of social goals. For us, the biggest priority is to construct left-national alliances. We have good relations with left-wing movements from around the world, because for us, we do not form part of the nationalist movement but rather of the pro-independence movement. We believe that independence will provide us with the tools for advancing alternative social policies: demanding national and popular sovereignty means a fight over that ground with the oligarchies who have hijacked our democracy.

We have never shared the policies nor the xenophobic proposals against immigration that have been raised by the right-wing populist movements that sometimes remind us of the 1930s decade and which we consider highly dangerous; among other things because they have stolen some of the banners of the left, because their social messages are similar to those of the left-wing, but who we already know represent the same oligarchy while putting forward simplistic but totally dangerous policies.

Instead, we, the [Catalan] People’s Unity Lists (CUP) and other political groups think that you can only move forward in terms of popular sovereignty if you build instruments of sovereignty in order to carry out different social policies, that can be anti-neoliberal.

We have always claimed that the independence for the Basques or Catalans is in the interests of the great majority of people and workers. This is why, for example, Basque trade unionism in its majority supports Basque independence. It’s also why we are proud to observe processes like those in Scotland and Catalonia, which, when they call for people’s support for the cause of national sovereignty, always accompany that call with a commitment to advanced social programs.

It’s not hard to grasp. If you want the support of the workers of Glasgow or of the Barcelona industrial belt, or of Bilbao, you need to have advanced social programs. Sovereignty processes always look to the left because this is where they can build majorities and for that you need advanced social programs. We know that when we start the Basque independence process the ones who will be heading it will be the trade union majority in this country.

You have to bear in mind that these are trade union movements that come from absolutely different cultures, even though over time they’ve begun to converge. For us collaboration is basic because they form the Basque trade union majority—a broad majority in the four regions of the country[1] — and from our point of view any sovereignty process has to have in its front ranks the Basque trade union majority playing an increasingly leading role.

I believe that these processes of convergence could take place over time, but it would be very premature to speak of a single Basque trade union confederation even though collaboration between both unions has certainly been growing recently. I’m convinced that this collaboration is going to become more intense and grow both quantitatively and qualitatively. I hope that above and beyond the difficulties and the dynamics of trade union competitiveness that you can have in factories and businesses the pursuit of sovereignty and alternative social policies is there as a common goal for everyone.

I believe that in time the Basque unions will be able to start assuming that leading role and stand for the demand for sovereignty and statehood for this country. From that point forward, broader levels of collaboration will be able to start being built and maybe we will be able to move towards a future where the Basque trade union majority forms a kind of single left and pro-independence trade union confederation, but I think there’s a lot to be done before that happens.

We have been able to achieve an almost 100% renewal of our leadership, making way for a new generation in which we [the historical leadership generation] are forming a sort of bridge between the generations and that is highly satisfying. Firstly, because there’s a generation taking over the tasks of leadership within which there are many women; secondly, because we’ve done the job without big internal ructions. We’ve done the job well, explaining it to the people, and I think that being able to do what we’ve done is an example rarely seen on the left around the world.

Our people, our youth, men and women, have a basic attachment to our country’s signs of national identity such as folklore and Basque culture. However, at the same time we’re very conscious that the job of expanding and broadening the social base of the movement for independence requires most of all very advanced social programs. We don’t believe that a Basque social state can be built only on the basis of the demand for national identity: it has to be done on this basis too but it can’t be the only one—the pro-independence proposal for statehood has to be accompanied by an advanced social program.

I believe the young people understand this very clearly, they know what has to be done and that’s calming for us. Our young people are going to instil a new political culture, that of expanding the social base of the independence cause beyond the national question by emphasising the issue of a very advanced social program for the country and thus allowing the emergence of new broad majorities.

I think that the Spanish state is going through a serious structural crisis: the foundations that the post-Francoist regime used to build the country in 1978 are in deep crisis. For various reasons: first, because the global financial and economic crisis has called into question the economic viability of the country. Second, because Catalonia has started a process that will bring them to the national independence, and third, because theleft and the Basque pro-independence left have changed their strategies, leaving Spain without an internal enemy.

Thus, I think there is a way to make a significant change in terms of democracy: supporting the constituent processes that Catalonia has been heading and which we want to start in our country. We cannot forget that the key to the 1978 regime is the defence of Spanish unity, its domination is built on this idea. For this reason, Catalonia has the importance it has, and this is why we also want to initiate an independence process. If we accompany this with a real dynamic of the Spanish left-wing proposing a multinational state and demanding respect for the right to decide, all this might come together in a change in the regime, a real democratisation. But we are not very hopeful about that, since the People’s Party (PP), Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE) and Citizens—the parties of the regime—are still in a majority in the Spanish state. That’s why we say we have to follow our own pathway wherever possible: in Catalonia and the Basque Country.

Because, in the end, I am an anthropological optimistic, as Zapatero [former PSOE prime minister of Spain] would say. I consider that we cannot falter; the road forward is still the road forward, the goals are still the goals, the objectives remain what they are. I think that a left-wing project must be founded on profound human values, right? I think that’s something the left lost sight of some time ago, but that it is something we need to recover. That’s why I am optimistic and I am convinced that most people in this country will commit themselves; and we will overcome obstacles, prison and torture. Overall I am an advocate of always maintaining the smile; we have to fight and win without losing our smile, since ultimately what we are doing is proposing a better society for everyone.

We don’t fight for ourselves, we fight for the people. And I think the best compensation is when people stop you in the street and thank you for your effort and work. The left has a treasure—setting the example and being coherent: if we lose example and coherence, we lose everything.

I usually say in my meetings that we don’t go on to boards of management when we finish in politics, but that we have a much greater compensation that that: popular affection, the affection of the people, and it’s the affection of the people that keeps us smiling.

[1] The four territories of the Southern Basque Country within the Spanish state are the three provinces of the Basque Autonomous Community (Euskadi), namely Álava (in Basque,, Guipúskoa () and Viskaya (), plus the autonomous community of Navarra ().