Democratic Vice Presidential nominee Tim Kaine probably thought an appearance on the Today show would be an easy swim in the lake, but Savannah Guthrie was creating lots of waves instead.

Here, Guthrie, who fortunately has a hard news background and used to ask some tough questions around the White House briefing room when she was there covering President Obama, wanted to know, in effect, why Hillary Clinton hadn’t apologized for lying.

She didn’t say “lying,” because you don’t do that in Washington. Nobody gets accused of lying. The worst one is allowed to say is that someone didn’t tell the truth, which is how Guthrie phrases it.

Kaine tries to slip away by saying anyone – anyone! – who gets asked the same thing “150 times or 200 times” might, might, you know, show a little variety in the way they respond.

Guthrie wasn’t having any of it. She notes Clinton told the same lie again and again.

I’m sorry, misstatement. Avoidance of factual phrases. Whatever. You know what I mean.

Have a look.