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KING: ON "LARRY KING NOW," GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS. THEY'RE PERVASIVE IN OUR FOOD SUPPLY. ARE THEY SAFE FOR US TO EAT? GOLDBERG: EVERY SERIOUS SCIENCE ACADEMY IN THE WORLD HAVE ALL SAID THAT GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS ARE JUST AS SAFE AS FOODS THAT ARE PRODUCED CONVENTIONALLY. STONE: THERE WERE DOCTORS AND THERE WERE PROFESSORS THAT WENT OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH TOBACCO SMOKE EITHER. AND THEN WE LATER FOUND OUT THAT IT CAUSED CANCER. HENNER: THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS STUDIES ABOUT G.M.O. FOODS AND THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN ANIMALS HAVE HAD VERY ADVERSE EFFECTS TO G.M.O. FOODS. GOLDBERG: QUITE HONESTLY, THAT IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF NONSENSE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD-- HENNER: WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NONSENSE. KING: PLUS... SALLEY: IF AN INSECT WON'T EAT IT AND A BIRD WON'T EAT IT, YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID! KING: ALL NEXT ON "LARRY KING NOW." [upbeat music] KING: WELCOME TO "LARRY KING NOW." TODAY, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS IN OUR FOOD, ALSO KNOWN AS G.M.O.s, BIOTECH FOODS, TRANSGENIC CROPS, GENETIC ENGINEERING, AND, TO SOME DETRACTORS, AS "FRANKENFOODS." IN 2012, 88% OF THE CORN CROPS IN THE UNITED STATES WERE GENETICALLY MODIFIED, AS WELL AS 93% OF SOY. AND EACH YEAR, THE PRESENCE 00:01:26:21 --:--:--:-- OF G.M.O.s IN AMERICA'S FOOD 00:01:28:10 --:--:--:-- SUPPLY INCREASES. 00:01:31:00 --:--:--:-- IS THIS A WELCOME SCIENTIFIC 00:01:32:22 --:--:--:-- ADVANCE OR A DANGER 00:01:34:13 --:--:--:-- TO OUR HEALTH? 00:01:36:00 --:--:--:-- HERE TO DISCUSS THIS ISSUE, 00:01:37:09 --:--:--:-- CURTIS STONE--CHEF, 00:01:39:07 --:--:--:-- "NEW YORK TIMES" BEST-SELLING 00:01:40:13 --:--:--:-- AUTHOR, TV PERSONALITY, 00:01:42:03 --:--:--:-- AND NOW RESTAURATEUR. 00:01:44:14 --:--:--:-- CURTIS RECENTLY OPENED HIS FIRST 00:01:46:06 --:--:--:-- RESTAURANT, MAUDE, WHERE HE 00:01:47:18 --:--:--:-- FOCUSES ON SEASONAL, 00:01:49:07 --:--:--:-- LOCALLY SOURCED INGREDIENTS. 00:01:51:18 --:--:--:-- MAUDE OPENED TO THE PUBLIC 00:01:53:06 --:--:--:-- FEBRUARY 1st IN BEVERLY HILLS. 00:01:55:23 --:--:--:-- MARILU HENNER. 00:01:56:21 --:--:--:-- THE "NEW YORK TIMES" 00:01:57:21 --:--:--:-- BEST-SELLING AUTHOR AND ACTRESS 00:01:59:00 --:--:--:-- CURRENTLY HOSTS THE NATIONALLY 00:02:00:19 --:--:--:-- SYNDICATED "MARILU HENNER SHOW." 00:02:02:20 --:--:--:-- A LONGTIME HEALTH AND WELLNESS 00:02:04:11 --:--:--:-- ADVOCATE, SHE'S ONE OF THE FEW 00:02:06:10 --:--:--:-- PRIVATE CITIZENS SELECTED TO 00:02:08:05 --:--:--:-- CONTRIBUTE TO THE RESHAPING OF 00:02:10:23 --:--:--:-- THE GOVERNMENT'S FOOD PYRAMID. 00:02:13:10 --:--:--:-- PROFESSOR BOB GOLDBERG 00:02:14:21 --:--:--:-- IS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL 00:02:16:03 --:--:--:-- ACADEMY OF SCIENCES 00:02:17:05 --:--:--:-- AND PROFESSOR OF MOLECULAR 00:02:18:16 --:--:--:-- BIOLOGY AT UCLA, NAMED ONE 00:02:21:03 --:--:--:-- OF THE TOP 20 PROFESSORS 00:02:22:20 --:--:--:-- IN THE SCHOOL'S HISTORY. 00:02:24:23 --:--:--:-- HE'S BEEN USING GENETIC 00:02:26:08 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING IN HIS RESEARCH FOR 00:02:28:06 --:--:--:-- THE PAST THREE DECADES. 00:02:30:11 --:--:--:-- AND MY OLD PAL, JOHN SALLEY, 00:02:33:03 --:--:--:-- WELLNESS ADVOCATE, TV HOST, 00:02:34:23 --:--:--:-- NBA CHAMPION. 00:02:36:16 --:--:--:-- JOHN IS CURRENTLY WORKING WITH 00:02:38:01 --:--:--:-- THE LOS ANGELES SCHOOL SYSTEM 00:02:39:19 --:--:--:-- AS ITS HEALTH AND WELLNESS GURU. 00:02:42:05 --:--:--:-- AND WE'LL BE JOINED 00:02:43:04 --:--:--:-- AS THE SHOW PROGRESSES 00:02:44:14 --:--:--:-- BY A VARIETY OF GUESTS 00:02:46:11 --:--:--:-- IN OTHER LOCATIONS ON BOTH 00:02:48:02 --:--:--:-- SIDES OF THE ISSUE. 00:02:49:10 --:--:--:-- LET'S START FIRST 00:02:50:08 --:--:--:-- WITH DR. GOLDBERG. 00:02:52:12 --:--:--:-- PROFESSOR, WHAT IS G-- 00:02:54:13 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS A G.M.O.? 00:02:55:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 00:02:56:16 --:--:--:-- INSERTING GENES IN ORGANISMS 00:02:59:02 --:--:--:-- FOR WHICH, ESSENTIALLY, 00:03:00:00 --:--:--:-- THEY WEREN'T BORN WITH. 00:03:01:07 --:--:--:-- ITS A VERY POWERFUL TECHNIQUE 00:03:02:22 --:--:--:-- BUT IT'S AN OLD TECHNIQUE. 00:03:04:08 --:--:--:-- KING: HOW OLD? 00:03:05:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: 40 YEARS. 00:03:06:06 --:--:--:-- 40 YEARS--FOUR DECADES. 00:03:07:06 --:--:--:-- KING: DID SOMEONE INVENT IT? 00:03:08:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, IT WAS INVENTED 00:03:09:14 --:--:--:-- IN 1973 EXACTLY. 00:03:11:01 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NOVEMBER THE 23rd. 00:03:12:04 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NOVEMBER THE 23rd. 00:03:13:17 --:--:--:-- KING: AND ITS PURPOSE WAS? 00:03:15:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THE PURPOSE WAS, 00:03:16:19 --:--:--:-- ORIGINALLY, TO BE ABLE TO STUDY 00:03:20:03 --:--:--:-- THE GENES AND THE BIOLOGY 00:03:21:13 --:--:--:-- OF LIVING ORGANISMS, AND IT'S 00:03:23:15 --:--:--:-- LED TO A TREMENDOUS REVOLUTION 00:03:25:08 --:--:--:-- IN BIOLOGY, A TREMENDOUS 00:03:26:21 --:--:--:-- REVOLUTION IN BIOTECHNOLOGY. 00:03:28:06 --:--:--:-- KING: SO YOU SEE NO NEGATIVE 00:03:29:11 --:--:--:-- TO IT? 00:03:30:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I--YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T 00:03:31:12 --:--:--:-- ALWAYS SAY THAT THERE'S 00:03:32:12 --:--:--:-- A NEGATIVE, BUT I THINK YOU 00:03:33:15 --:--:--:-- NEED TO TAKE IT ON 00:03:34:12 --:--:--:-- A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. 00:03:36:00 --:--:--:-- THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GENETIC 00:03:37:14 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING OVER THE LAST 40 00:03:38:14 --:--:--:-- YEARS HAS SAVED HUNDREDS AND 00:03:40:03 --:--:--:-- HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF LIVES. 00:03:41:19 --:--:--:-- KING: IN THE FOOD AREA, 00:03:42:20 --:--:--:-- HAS IT IMPROVED THE FOOD WE EAT? 00:03:44:07 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: OH, IT'S BEEN 00:03:45:06 --:--:--:-- TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN 00:03:46:06 --:--:--:-- AGRICULTURE, PARTICULARLY IN 00:03:48:10 --:--:--:-- THE DEVELOPING WORLD. 00:03:49:13 --:--:--:-- THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS STUDIES 00:03:51:04 --:--:--:-- DONE BY THE UNITED NATIONS 00:03:52:13 --:--:--:-- AND THE FOOD AND AGRICULTURE 00:03:53:10 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATION. 00:03:54:07 --:--:--:-- KING: AND WE MODIFY IT 00:03:55:09 --:--:--:-- IN ORDER TO? 00:03:56:15 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WELL, WE'VE BEEN 00:03:57:12 --:--:--:-- MODIFYING FOODS 00:03:58:09 --:--:--:-- FOR 10,000 YEARS. 00:03:59:10 --:--:--:-- KING: IN ORDER TO? 00:04:00:09 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IN ORDER TO 00:04:01:06 --:--:--:-- IMPROVE ITS YIELD-- 00:04:02:03 --:--:--:-- KING: MAKE THEM SAFER? 00:04:03:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NOT NECESSARILY MAKE 00:04:03:21 --:--:--:-- THEM SAFER, ALTHOUGH THEY 00:04:04:18 --:--:--:-- ARE SAFER, BUT TO INCREASE 00:04:06:10 --:--:--:-- YIELD, TO ALLOW THEM TO GROW-- 00:04:08:16 --:--:--:-- US TO GROW MORE ON LESS LAND, 00:04:10:20 --:--:--:-- TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF 00:04:12:08 --:--:--:-- PESTICIDES, TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT 00:04:14:00 --:--:--:-- OF FERTILIZER, TO SAVE SOIL, 00:04:16:06 --:--:--:-- AND TO MAKE THEM MORE 00:04:17:22 --:--:--:-- NUTRITIONALLY BALANCED. 00:04:19:00 --:--:--:-- KING: OKAY, LET'S 00:04:19:21 --:--:--:-- GET INTO THE PANEL. 00:04:20:19 --:--:--:-- CURTIS, WHAT'S THE RUB? 00:04:22:18 --:--:--:-- STONE: LOOK, I MEAN, AS SOON 00:04:23:23 --:--:--:-- AS YOU START MESSING AROUND 00:04:25:00 --:--:--:-- WITH FOOD, I THINK THAT YOU 00:04:27:11 --:--:--:-- NEED TO HAVE A LONG RESEARCH 00:04:30:21 --:--:--:-- PROCESS THAT GOES INTO THE 00:04:32:03 --:--:--:-- EFFECTS OF WHAT WE'RE 00:04:33:20 --:--:--:-- DOING WITH THE FOOD. 00:04:34:21 --:--:--:-- SO WHEN IT COMES TO GENETICALLY 00:04:36:21 --:--:--:-- MODIFYING THE INGREDIENTS THAT 00:04:38:16 --:--:--:-- WE USE, I REALLY THINK THAT-- 00:04:41:01 --:--:--:-- YOU MENTIONED IT'S BEEN 00:04:42:00 --:--:--:-- HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME. 00:04:43:03 --:--:--:-- 40 YEARS, TO ME, 00:04:44:01 --:--:--:-- ISN'T A LONG TIME. 00:04:45:01 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, MOST OF US SITTING 00:04:46:01 --:--:--:-- AROUND THIS TABLE HAVE BEEN 00:04:47:01 --:--:--:-- LIVING LONGER THAN THAT, AND 00:04:48:03 --:--:--:-- WE'VE BEEN EATING FOOD 00:04:49:00 --:--:--:-- FOR CENTURIES. 00:04:50:15 --:--:--:-- I THINK THAT WHERE THAT RESEARCH 00:04:51:20 --:--:--:-- COMES FROM IS REALLY IMPORTANT 00:04:53:05 --:--:--:-- AND WHO IT'S FUNDED BY 00:04:54:02 --:--:--:-- IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 00:04:54:23 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK 00:04:56:01 --:--:--:-- WORLDWIDE, THERE'S OVER 60 00:04:57:13 --:--:--:-- DEVELOPED COUNTRIES. 00:04:58:18 --:--:--:-- YOU MENTIONED DEVELOPING 00:04:59:21 --:--:--:-- COUNTRIES, BUT THE DEVELOPED 00:05:01:00 --:--:--:-- WORLD HAS A VERY DIFFERENT 00:05:02:10 --:--:--:-- PERSPECTIVE ON IT THAN WHAT 00:05:03:14 --:--:--:-- THE U.S. HAS. 00:05:04:18 --:--:--:-- 60 COUNTRIES THROUGHOUT THE 00:05:06:07 --:--:--:-- WORLD HAVE EITHER 00:05:08:14 --:--:--:-- VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS 00:05:10:09 --:--:--:-- OR TOTAL BANS ON G.M.O.s. 00:05:11:20 --:--:--:-- HENNER: YES. 00:05:12:20 --:--:--:-- KING: WHEN YOU SAY "COMPANIES," 00:05:13:17 --:--:--:-- ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S SOMETHING 00:05:14:13 --:--:--:-- SINISTER GOING ON HERE? 00:05:15:11 --:--:--:-- THAT THESE COMPANIES ARE MAKING 00:05:16:20 --:--:--:-- PRODUCTS THAT THEY WANT 00:05:17:23 --:--:--:-- TO BE USED IN THIS? 00:05:19:19 --:--:--:-- STONE: WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT 00:05:20:18 --:--:--:-- THE LABELING, YOU KNOW-- 00:05:22:07 --:--:--:-- OF COURSE, THE BIG COMPANIES 00:05:24:00 --:--:--:-- THAT USE GENETICALLY MODIFIED 00:05:25:09 --:--:--:-- INGREDIENTS DON'T WANT LABELS 00:05:26:22 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT 53% 00:05:29:02 --:--:--:-- OF AMERICANS WOULD CHOOSE 00:05:30:17 --:--:--:-- NOT TO PURCHASE G.M.O. PRODUCTS. 00:05:34:00 --:--:--:-- AND 91% OF AMERICANS 00:05:36:00 --:--:--:-- WANT IT LABELED, BUT-- 00:05:37:04 --:--:--:-- KING: WOULD CHOOSE NOT 00:05:38:00 --:--:--:-- TO PURCHASE IT? 00:05:38:20 --:--:--:-- STONE: WOULD CHOOSE NOT 00:05:39:17 --:--:--:-- TO PURCHASE IT, THAT'S RIGHT. 00:05:40:15 --:--:--:-- HENNER: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 00:05:41:11 --:--:--:-- KING: WHY, MARILU? 00:05:42:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: I THINK THAT YOU CANNOT 00:05:43:13 --:--:--:-- STOP PEOPLE WANTING TO KNOW 00:05:45:06 --:--:--:-- WHAT'S IN THEIR FOOD, DEMANDING 00:05:46:19 --:--:--:-- MORE INFORMATION, WANTING TO 00:05:48:07 --:--:--:-- PROTECT THEIR CHILDREN MORE. 00:05:49:22 --:--:--:-- AND THE IDEA THAT THERE WOULD BE 00:05:51:16 --:--:--:-- A COMPANY THAT WOULD SPEND 00:05:52:15 --:--:--:-- $7.1 MILLION JUST TO KEEP 00:05:55:08 --:--:--:-- PROPOSITION 37 OFF OF, YOU KNOW, 00:05:58:08 --:--:--:-- THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE, 00:06:00:01 --:--:--:-- THEN YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT 00:06:01:07 --:--:--:-- THEY'VE GOT A VESTED INTEREST. 00:06:02:10 --:--:--:-- KING: WHAT DOES THAT SAY? 00:06:03:17 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IT SAYS THAT THEY DON'T 00:06:04:17 --:--:--:-- WANT THE LABELING ON THEIR FOOD 00:06:07:00 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL THIS WAY. 00:06:08:14 --:--:--:-- YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM 00:06:09:17 --:--:--:-- WANTING TO HAVE THE INFORMATION. 00:06:11:06 --:--:--:-- THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTLESS 00:06:12:06 --:--:--:-- STUDIES IN MANY, MANY, MANY 00:06:14:07 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT COUNTRIES ABOUT G.M.O. 00:06:16:11 --:--:--:-- FOODS AND THE IDEA THAT, YOU 00:06:18:11 --:--:--:-- KNOW, CERTAIN ANIMALS, 00:06:19:15 --:--:--:-- WHETHER IT'S HAMSTERS, WHETHER 00:06:21:00 --:--:--:-- IT'S PIGS, WHETHER IT'S RATS-- 00:06:23:09 --:--:--:-- WHATEVER--HAVE HAD VERY ADVERSE 00:06:25:17 --:--:--:-- EFFECTS TO G.M.O. FOODS. 00:06:27:12 --:--:--:-- AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR 00:06:28:20 --:--:--:-- KIDS--NOW, WE ARE BREAKING DOWN. 00:06:30:23 --:--:--:-- WE ARE NOT AS HARDY AS WE USED 00:06:32:08 --:--:--:-- TO BE, AND THE GENERATION COMING 00:06:33:15 --:--:--:-- UP IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THE 00:06:34:22 --:--:--:-- FIRST GENERATION THAT DOESN'T 00:06:36:05 --:--:--:-- LIVE AS LONG OR AS HEALTHY 00:06:37:01 --:--:--:-- AS THEIR PARENTS. 00:06:38:05 --:--:--:-- KING: BUT WE'RE LIVING LONGER. 00:06:39:05 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WE'RE LIVING LONGER, 00:06:40:01 --:--:--:-- BUT OUR KIDS ARE NOT, 00:06:41:03 --:--:--:-- AND THE THING IS-- 00:06:42:03 --:--:--:-- WELL, EVERY STAT I'VE EVER READ. 00:06:43:02 --:--:--:-- KING: I'LL HELP BOB. 00:06:43:23 --:--:--:-- BOB, YOU'RE GONNA GET A CHANCE. 00:06:45:06 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE OUTMANNED HERE. 00:06:46:03 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I KNOW. 00:06:47:00 --:--:--:-- I'M GANGED-UP ON. 00:06:47:21 --:--:--:-- KING: I WILL STICK UP FOR YOU. 00:06:48:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I'M JUST A 00:06:49:15 --:--:--:-- SIMPLE PROFESSOR HERE. 00:06:50:12 --:--:--:-- HENNER: [laughs] IT'S OKAY. 00:06:51:11 --:--:--:-- KING: IS THE PUBLIC WORRIED 00:06:52:13 --:--:--:-- ABOUT THIS, JOHN? 00:06:53:15 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I-I--THE PUBLIC 00:06:55:03 --:--:--:-- IS REALLY, REALLY 00:06:57:19 --:--:--:-- NOT INFORMED PROPERLY. 00:06:59:22 --:--:--:-- HERE, IN CALIFORNIA--SHE JUST 00:07:01:00 --:--:--:-- MENTIONED THE PROPOSITION TO 00:07:02:08 --:--:--:-- HAVE US KNOW 00:07:03:17 --:--:--:-- WITH THE LABELING THEM. 00:07:05:00 --:--:--:-- THEY SAID "NO" TO THE LABELING. 00:07:06:22 --:--:--:-- THEY PAID FOR US TO SAY, "NO. 00:07:08:03 --:--:--:-- WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE-- 00:07:09:07 --:--:--:-- IT'S GONNA COST MORE MONEY. 00:07:10:03 --:--:--:-- IF WE PUT LABELS ON IT, 00:07:11:05 --:--:--:-- IT'S GONNA COST MORE MONEY 00:07:12:01 --:--:--:-- TO THE PUBLIC." 00:07:12:21 --:--:--:-- HENNER: AND IT'S 00:07:13:18 --:--:--:-- UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 00:07:14:14 --:--:--:-- THAT WAS THE OTHER THING 00:07:15:10 --:--:--:-- MENTIONED. 00:07:16:07 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: BUT IF YOU'RE A PORN 00:07:17:03 --:--:--:-- STAR, YOU HAVE TO USE A CONDOM. 00:07:17:23 --:--:--:-- WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR THAT. 00:07:18:20 --:--:--:-- WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHAT YOU 00:07:19:18 --:--:--:-- HAVE TO DO OVER THERE, BUT 00:07:21:07 --:--:--:-- WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE 00:07:22:04 --:--:--:-- FOR WHAT'S IN OUR FOOD. 00:07:23:01 --:--:--:-- WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR WHAT'S ON-- 00:07:23:23 --:--:--:-- KING: BUT AREN'T YOU 00:07:24:20 --:--:--:-- IMPRESSED WITH THIS PROFESSOR... 00:07:26:21 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I AM SO IMPRESSED. 00:07:27:17 --:--:--:-- KING: ONE OF THE MOST-- 00:07:28:14 --:--:--:-- HENNER: HE'S A BLAST. 00:07:29:10 --:--:--:-- KING: ONE OF THE 20 00:07:30:07 --:--:--:-- MOST DISTINGUISHED EVER... 00:07:31:03 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: HE IS. 00:07:32:00 --:--:--:-- KING: WHO TELLS YOU IT'S OKAY. 00:07:32:21 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YEAH, BUT THIS IS 00:07:33:17 --:--:--:-- THE FUNNIEST THING. 00:07:35:06 --:--:--:-- HE IS A PROFESSOR AT UCLA. 00:07:37:08 --:--:--:-- AND HE--AND I THINK 00:07:38:17 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE WONDERFUL MAN. 00:07:39:19 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU DON'T KNOW ME, 00:07:40:19 --:--:--:-- BUT THANK YOU. 00:07:41:16 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I'M GONNA DO SOME 00:07:42:12 --:--:--:-- RESEARCH ON IT. 00:07:43:09 --:--:--:-- BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO 00:07:44:06 --:--:--:-- KNOW IS THAT I'M 7', AND I DO 00:07:47:03 --:--:--:-- KNOW THAT YAO MING IS FROM 00:07:48:03 --:--:--:-- CHINA, HE'S 7'7", AND I DO KNOW 00:07:50:16 --:--:--:-- THAT KIDS ARE GETTIN' BIGGER, 00:07:51:21 --:--:--:-- AND I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE, 00:07:53:05 --:--:--:-- RIGHT NOW, FOUR KIDS AT 14 YEARS 00:07:55:09 --:--:--:-- OLD THAT ARE 300 POUNDS, 00:07:57:02 --:--:--:-- AND THAT CANNOT BE 00:07:57:22 --:--:--:-- FROM EATING HEALTHY FOOD. 00:07:58:18 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NO. 00:07:59:14 --:--:--:-- KING: ALL RIGHT. 00:08:00:10 --:--:--:-- LET ME GET IT BACK. 00:08:01:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT THAT HAS 00:08:02:02 --:--:--:-- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO 00:08:02:22 --:--:--:-- WITH G.M.O.s. 00:08:03:18 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YEAH, IT HAS EVERYTHING 00:08:04:14 --:--:--:-- TO DO WITH G.M.O.s. 00:08:05:10 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE 00:08:06:06 --:--:--:-- ANYTHING TO DO WITH G.M.O.s. 00:08:07:02 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: 'CAUSE EVERYTHING 00:08:07:22 --:--:--:-- THAT THEY EAT-- 00:08:08:18 --:--:--:-- YOU JUST SAID IT'S 00:08:09:14 --:--:--:-- 90% OF THE FOOD IS G.M.O. 00:08:10:10 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. 00:08:11:06 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YEAH, YOU DID. 00:08:12:02 --:--:--:-- KING: ALL RIGHT. 00:08:12:22 --:--:--:-- LET ME GET IT RIGHT. 00:08:13:19 --:--:--:-- I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED 00:08:14:15 --:--:--:-- OTHER PEOPLE 'CAUSE THIS 00:08:15:11 --:--:--:-- PANEL COULD GO FOR HOURS, BUT... 00:08:16:14 --:--:--:-- HENNER: [laughs] YEAH. 00:08:17:10 --:--:--:-- KING: COMING UP, WE'LL BE JOINED 00:08:18:15 --:--:--:-- BY CHIPOTLE'S CHIEF MARKETING 00:08:20:11 --:--:--:-- OFFICER, MARK CRUMPACKER, 00:08:22:23 --:--:--:-- TO DISCUSS THE COMPANY'S 00:08:24:07 --:--:--:-- UNIQUE STANCE ON G.M.O.s. 00:08:26:10 00:08:27:13 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK. 00:08:30:06 --:--:--:-- KING: WE'RE NOW JOINED 00:08:31:02 --:--:--:-- BY MARK CRUMPACKER. 00:08:32:06 --:--:--:-- HE'S THE CHIEF MARKETING OFFICER 00:08:34:04 --:--:--:-- OF CHIPOTLE. 00:08:35:08 --:--:--:-- SINCE IT WAS FOUNDED IN 1993, 00:08:37:19 --:--:--:-- CHIPOTLE HAS OPENED MORE THAN 00:08:39:13 --:--:--:-- 1,600 LOCATIONS, AND MY 00:08:42:03 --:--:--:-- TWO CHILDREN GO TO TWO 00:08:43:14 --:--:--:-- OF THEM EVERY DAY. 00:08:45:07 --:--:--:-- [laughter] 00:08:46:07 --:--:--:-- OKAY. 00:08:47:03 --:--:--:-- MARK, YOU HAVE HEARD 00:08:47:23 --:--:--:-- THE OPENING OF THE DISCUSSION. 00:08:49:19 --:--:--:-- WHAT IS THE CHIPOTLE POSITION 00:08:51:21 --:--:--:-- ON G.M.O.s? 00:08:53:21 --:--:--:-- CRUMPACKER: SO, CHIPOTLE'S 00:08:54:18 --:--:--:-- STANCE ON G.M.O.s IS THAT WE 00:08:57:12 --:--:--:-- DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A 00:08:58:17 --:--:--:-- SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS THAT 00:09:00:18 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE SAFE, EITHER FOR HUMAN 00:09:02:23 --:--:--:-- CONSUMPTION OR ANIMAL 00:09:05:00 --:--:--:-- CONSUMPTION. 00:09:06:04 --:--:--:-- AND UNTIL WE BELIEVE SUCH A 00:09:07:12 --:--:--:-- CONSENSUS ACTUALLY EXISTS 00:09:08:21 --:--:--:-- IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY, 00:09:10:11 --:--:--:-- WE FEEL IT'S BEST TO NOT ONLY 00:09:11:16 --:--:--:-- TO DISCLOSE THAT WE HAVE SOME 00:09:13:15 --:--:--:-- G.M.O.s ON OUR MENU, BUT THEN 00:09:15:20 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFF-- 00:09:17:07 --:--:--:-- CONCERTED EFFORT TO REMOVE 00:09:18:21 --:--:--:-- ALL OF THEM, TO THE EXTENT 00:09:20:05 --:--:--:-- POSSIBLE, FROM OUR MENU. 00:09:21:09 --:--:--:-- KING: UH-HUH. 00:09:22:10 --:--:--:-- SO, WE--THERE'S NO G.M.O.s 00:09:24:20 --:--:--:-- AT CHIPOTLE, OR THERE ARE AND 00:09:26:11 --:--:--:-- WE--YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH THEM? 00:09:27:20 --:--:--:-- CRUMPACKER: WELL, THERE ARE 00:09:29:01 --:--:--:-- G.M.O.s AT CHIPOTLE. 00:09:30:07 --:--:--:-- ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR AGO, 00:09:32:15 --:--:--:-- IN MARCH OF 2013, WE DECIDED TO 00:09:34:19 --:--:--:-- DISCLOSE WHAT G.M.O.s WERE ON 00:09:37:14 --:--:--:-- THE MENU, AND AS WE LOOKED INTO 00:09:39:10 --:--:--:-- IT, WE FOUND THAT THERE WERE 00:09:40:14 --:--:--:-- A COUPLE OF CULPRITS. 00:09:41:16 --:--:--:-- ONE WAS SOY OIL, WHICH IS USED 00:09:44:07 --:--:--:-- IN A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS AT 00:09:46:12 --:--:--:-- CHIPOTLE, AND--YOU KNOW, USUALLY 00:09:48:12 --:--:--:-- TO LUBRICATE A PAN OR AS AN 00:09:50:04 --:--:--:-- INGREDIENT IN SOMETHING. 00:09:52:03 --:--:--:-- AND THEN, IN OUR CORN AND FLOUR 00:09:54:08 --:--:--:-- TORTILLAS, THERE WAS SOME-- 00:09:55:07 --:--:--:-- WERE SOME G.M.O.s. 00:09:56:04 --:--:--:-- SO WE FAIRLY QUICKLY WERE ABLE 00:09:58:07 --:--:--:-- TO ELIMINATE THE SOY OIL AND 00:09:59:18 --:--:--:-- SWITCH TO SUNFLOWER AND 00:10:00:21 --:--:--:-- RICE BRAN OIL, SO THAT 00:10:01:21 --:--:--:-- ELIMINATED THE G.M.O.s FROM 00:10:03:03 --:--:--:-- ALMOST EVERYTHING ON THE MENU. 00:10:05:00 --:--:--:-- THE ONLY REMAINING ITEMS ARE 00:10:07:06 --:--:--:-- THE CORN AND FLOUR TORTILLAS. 00:10:09:01 --:--:--:-- THE CORN TORTILLAS AND CHIPS 00:10:11:18 --:--:--:-- ARE ACTUALLY, OBVIOUSLY, 00:10:12:21 --:--:--:-- MADE OF CORN, SO WE'RE FINDING 00:10:14:02 --:--:--:-- NON-G.M.O. CORN FOR THOSE. 00:10:15:23 --:--:--:-- AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CORN 00:10:17:05 --:--:--:-- STARCH IN THE FLOUR TORTILLAS, 00:10:19:19 --:--:--:-- SO WE'RE ON--IN THE PROCESS 00:10:21:03 --:--:--:-- OF REMOVING THAT. 00:10:22:00 --:--:--:-- SO BY THE END OF 2014, 00:10:24:06 --:--:--:-- WE EXPECT ALL OF OUR INGREDIENTS 00:10:25:18 --:--:--:-- AT CHIPOTLE TO BE NON-G.M.O. 00:10:27:09 --:--:--:-- KING: OKAY, BOB. 00:10:28:09 --:--:--:-- WHY IS HE AND THIS PANEL WRONG? 00:10:30:13 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S 00:10:31:10 --:--:--:-- NOT BASED ON SCIENCE. 00:10:32:19 --:--:--:-- IT'S BASED ON A CONCERTED, 00:10:36:13 --:--:--:-- FRANKLY DEPRESSING, ANTI-SCIENCE 00:10:39:07 --:--:--:-- CAMPAIGN THAT'S BEEN GOING ON 00:10:40:18 --:--:--:-- FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS. 00:10:41:14 --:--:--:-- KING: CONDUCTED BY WHO? 00:10:43:03 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IT'S BEEN A CONCERTED 00:10:44:14 --:--:--:-- CAMPAIGN BY PEOPLE WHO FEEL 00:10:47:00 --:--:--:-- THAT NATURAL IS BETTER, BACK 00:10:49:07 --:--:--:-- TO NATURE IS BETTER, ORGANIC 00:10:51:14 --:--:--:-- IS BETTER, AND THAT'S NOT 00:10:52:15 --:--:--:-- NECESSARILY TRUE, BECAUSE THE 00:10:54:07 --:--:--:-- SCIENCE DOESN'T BEAR IT OUT. 00:10:55:22 --:--:--:-- EVERY SERIOUS SCIENCE ACADEMY 00:10:58:03 --:--:--:-- IN THE WORLD-- 00:10:59:05 --:--:--:-- THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF 00:11:00:09 --:--:--:-- SCIENCES, THE ROYAL SOCIETY, 00:11:02:13 --:--:--:-- THE UNITED NATIONS FOOD AND 00:11:03:17 --:--:--:-- AGRICULTURAL ORGANIZATION, 00:11:05:12 --:--:--:-- THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION FOR 00:11:06:16 --:--:--:-- THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE, 00:11:07:21 --:--:--:-- THE AMERICAN MEDICAL 00:11:08:21 --:--:--:-- ASSOCIATION--HAVE ALL SAID THAT 00:11:10:19 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY ENGINEERED FOODS 00:11:13:08 --:--:--:-- ARE JUST AS SAFE AS THINGS-- 00:11:15:12 --:--:--:-- AS FOODS THAT ARE 00:11:16:08 --:--:--:-- PRODUCED CONVENTIONALLY. 00:11:17:05 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WHAT ABOUT THE AMERICAN 00:11:18:02 --:--:--:-- ACADEMY OF ENVIRONMENTAL 00:11:18:23 --:--:--:-- MEDICINE? 00:11:20:00 --:--:--:-- WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THE 00:11:21:07 --:--:--:-- OTHER COUNTRIES THAT HAVE 00:11:22:04 --:--:--:-- GOTTEN INVOLVED? 00:11:23:04 --:--:--:-- WHAT ABOUT JUST SEEING THAT 00:11:24:19 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE MORE ALLERGENS, MORE 00:11:25:23 --:--:--:-- AUTISM, AND SINCE 1973-- 00:11:28:04 --:--:--:-- NOVEMBER THE 23RD--WE HAVE-- 00:11:29:12 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE BECOME MUCH SICKER. 00:11:31:09 --:--:--:-- THAT KIND OF RESEARCH 00:11:32:11 --:--:--:-- ISN'T EVEN LONG ENOUGH 00:11:33:10 --:--:--:-- FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TELL. 00:11:34:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, MARILU, 00:11:35:03 --:--:--:-- QUITE HONESTLY--QUITE HONESTLY, 00:11:36:00 --:--:--:-- THAT IS THE BIGGEST BUNCH 00:11:36:22 --:--:--:-- OF NONSENSE THAT I'VE EVER HEARD 00:11:37:22 --:--:--:-- IN MY ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC CAREER. 00:11:38:23 --:--:--:-- HENNER: I THINK WHAT YOU'RE 00:11:39:19 --:--:--:-- SAYING IS NONSENSE. 00:11:40:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THERE'S 1,700 PEER- 00:11:42:01 --:--:--:-- REVIEWED PUBLICATIONS 00:11:43:21 --:--:--:-- THAT STATE THAT THESE PLANTS... 00:11:46:08 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: FUNDED BY WHO? 00:11:48:06 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BECAUSE THEY WANT 00:11:49:03 --:--:--:-- TO KEEP PLAYING. 00:11:50:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: FUNDED BY NATIONAL 00:11:50:20 --:--:--:-- SCIENCE FOUNDATION, U.S. 00:11:51:21 --:--:--:-- DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. 00:11:53:06 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THEY WANT TO KEEP 00:11:54:04 --:--:--:-- PLAYING IN THEIR LABORATORY, 00:11:55:04 --:--:--:-- OF COURSE. 00:11:56:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WAIT A SECOND. 00:11:56:20 --:--:--:-- THE EUROPEAN FOOD SAFETY 00:11:57:17 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATION--EUROPEAN-- 00:11:59:11 --:--:--:-- SPENT A $1/2 BILLION OVER 00:12:01:06 --:--:--:-- THE LAST TEN YEARS, HAD JUST 00:12:03:08 --:--:--:-- PUBLISHED A REPORT DONE BY 00:12:05:06 --:--:--:-- SCIENTISTS AT INSTITUTIONS 00:12:07:03 --:--:--:-- AND UNIVERSITIES 00:12:08:00 --:--:--:-- ALL OVER EUROPE. 00:12:09:06 --:--:--:-- THEY DID MORE STUDIES ON THESE 00:12:10:23 --:--:--:-- FOODS THAN ANYONE COULD EVER 00:12:12:05 --:--:--:-- IMAGINE, AND THEY CONCLUDED THAT 00:12:14:13 --:--:--:-- THERE'S NO DOCUMENTED 00:12:16:07 --:--:--:-- SAFETY HAZARD TO GENETICALLY 00:12:18:02 --:--:--:-- MODIFIED PLANTS. 00:12:19:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THEN WHY IS THERE 00:12:20:08 --:--:--:-- SUCH A PROBLEM WITH LABELING IT? 00:12:21:22 --:--:--:-- WHY IS THERE SUCH A PROBLEM? 00:12:22:21 --:--:--:-- WHY ARE PEOPLE SPENDING 00:12:23:20 --:--:--:-- SO MUCH MONEY TO PROTECT-- 00:12:25:00 --:--:--:-- KING: SO, WHAT--ALL RIGHT. 00:12:25:23 --:--:--:-- HENNER: OKAY, IF IT'S 00:12:26:19 --:--:--:-- SO WONDERFUL-- 00:12:27:15 --:--:--:-- KING: WHY NOT LABEL IT? 00:12:28:11 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WHY AREN'T WE 00:12:29:07 --:--:--:-- ALLOWED TO LABEL? 00:12:30:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: SO, LET ME JUST, 00:12:31:18 --:--:--:-- IN THE SENSE OF FULL DISCLOSURE, 00:12:33:08 --:--:--:-- SAY THAT I WROTE THE ARGUMENTS 00:12:34:17 --:--:--:-- AGAINST LABELING 00:12:35:22 --:--:--:-- FOR PROPOSITION 37 00:12:37:09 --:--:--:-- ON THE CALIFORNIA BALLOT. 00:12:38:18 --:--:--:-- KING: BECAUSE? 00:12:39:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND THERE WERE TWO 00:12:40:18 --:--:--:-- REASONS WHY I FELT VERY STRONGLY 00:12:42:00 --:--:--:-- ABOUT THAT. 00:12:43:08 --:--:--:-- ONE, I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT 00:12:44:15 --:--:--:-- THE TECHNOLOGY, BECAUSE I THINK 00:12:46:17 --:--:--:-- WE REALLY NEED THIS TECHNOLOGY, 00:12:48:07 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE WE'RE FACING VARIOUS-- 00:12:49:06 --:--:--:-- KING: SO, YOU THINK IF YOU 00:12:50:10 --:--:--:-- LABEL IT, PEOPLE WON'T BUY IT? 00:12:51:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: EXACTLY. 00:12:52:17 --:--:--:-- KING: SO, YOU THINK WHEN IT'S 00:12:53:16 --:--:--:-- LABELED, PEOPLE WILL REACT 00:12:54:18 --:--:--:-- NEGATIVELY BECAUSE IT'S LABELED? 00:12:55:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND THE SECOND REASON 00:12:56:21 --:--:--:-- IS THAT YOU LABEL THINGS 00:13:00:15 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE OF WHAT THE PRODUCT HAS. 00:13:03:11 --:--:--:-- YOU DON'T LABEL A PROCESS. 00:13:05:09 --:--:--:-- AND GENETIC ENGINEERING IS 00:13:06:16 --:--:--:-- A PROCESS, AND WHAT WE DO IN MY 00:13:08:18 --:--:--:-- LAB AND IN LITERALLY THOUSANDS 00:13:10:21 --:--:--:-- OF LABS ACROSS THE WORLD IS NO 00:13:13:02 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S BEEN DONE 00:13:14:20 --:--:--:-- FOR 10,000 YEARS. 00:13:16:08 --:--:--:-- IF I MAKE A BIG TOMATO IN MY 00:13:18:07 --:--:--:-- LAB, WHICH I DON'T, BUT IF I DID 00:13:20:00 --:--:--:-- BY ADDING A GENE, THAT'S EXACTLY 00:13:22:15 --:--:--:-- THE SAME GENE THAT WAS USED 00:13:24:06 --:--:--:-- IN CONVENTIONAL BREEDING 00:13:25:11 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE A BIG TOMATO. 00:13:26:13 --:--:--:-- KING: DO YOU HAVE 00:13:27:12 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOOD? 00:13:28:20 --:--:--:-- STONE: ABSOLUTELY NOT. 00:13:29:22 --:--:--:-- KING: NONE IN YOUR RESTAURANT? 00:13:30:20 --:--:--:-- STONE: NO. 00:13:31:16 --:--:--:-- KING: MARK? 00:13:32:12 --:--:--:-- CRUMPACKER: YEAH. 00:13:33:09 --:--:--:-- KING: THIS IS A LITTLE 00:13:34:05 --:--:--:-- REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY HERE. 00:13:35:16 --:--:--:-- IS CHIPOTLE SAYING, "WE'RE GONNA 00:13:37:17 --:--:--:-- BE SMART AND SAY THAT PEOPLE 00:13:40:19 --:--:--:-- FEAR G.M.O.s, SO WE'RE GONNA 00:13:43:07 --:--:--:-- PLUG THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE 00:13:45:15 --:--:--:-- THEM, OR HAVE VERY LITTLE OF 00:13:47:04 --:--:--:-- THEM, SO THAT MORE PEOPLE 00:13:49:01 --:--:--:-- WILL COME TO US BASED ON 00:13:50:17 --:--:--:-- THEIR FEAR OF THE OTHER FOODS?" 00:13:52:15 --:--:--:-- CRUMPACKER: THE REASON WE WANT 00:13:53:15 --:--:--:-- TO REMOVE G.M.O.s FROM OUR MENU 00:13:55:01 --:--:--:-- IS THAT WE DON'T AGREE THAT 00:13:56:07 --:--:--:-- THERE'S A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS 00:13:57:16 --:--:--:-- THAT THEY'RE--THAT THEY'RE SAFE. 00:13:59:08 --:--:--:-- JUST BECAUSE A STUDY IS 00:14:00:11 --:--:--:-- PEER-REVIEWED DOESN'T MEAN 00:14:01:15 --:--:--:-- THAT IT'S ACCURATE. 00:14:03:05 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, THE LONG-TERM 00:14:04:22 --:--:--:-- STUDIES--I MEAN, WE'RE 00:14:05:23 --:--:--:-- TALKING ABOUT LONG-TERM HERE. 00:14:06:22 --:--:--:-- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY 00:14:07:22 --:--:--:-- LONG-TERM, LONGER THAN ANY 00:14:09:15 --:--:--:-- STUDIES HERE HAVE ACTUALLY 00:14:10:23 --:--:--:-- SPANNED--AND SO WE JUST DON'T 00:14:13:10 --:--:--:-- AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT THERE'S 00:14:15:00 --:--:--:-- A CON--A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS 00:14:17:04 --:--:--:-- THAT THEY'RE SAFE. 00:14:18:10 --:--:--:-- THERE MAY NOT BE YET EVIDENCE 00:14:20:07 --:--:--:-- OF PARTICULAR HEALTH-RELATED 00:14:21:20 --:--:--:-- CONCERNS. 00:14:23:00 --:--:--:-- THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE SAFE. 00:14:24:14 --:--:--:-- SO AT CHIPOTLE, IT'S OUR GOAL 00:14:26:00 --:--:--:-- TO SERVE THE VERY HIGHEST 00:14:27:02 --:--:--:-- QUALITY INGREDIENTS, AND WE JUST 00:14:29:00 --:--:--:-- CAN'T FIND THE SUPPORT TO 00:14:30:06 --:--:--:-- SUGGEST THAT THESE INGREDIENTS 00:14:32:03 --:--:--:-- ARE SAFE, EITHER FOR HUMAN 00:14:33:08 --:--:--:-- CONSUMPTION OR, FRANKLY, 00:14:34:19 --:--:--:-- FOR THE CONSUMPTION 00:14:35:18 --:--:--:-- OF LIVESTOCK USED AS MEAT. 00:14:36:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: SO I THINK 00:14:37:10 --:--:--:-- LARRY'S CORRECT. 00:14:38:11 --:--:--:-- KING: SO WHEN I GO TO A STORE 00:14:39:14 --:--:--:-- NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF A FOOD IS-- 00:14:40:10 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WELL, IF YOU GET 00:14:41:08 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC, IT'S NOT G.M.O. 00:14:43:21 --:--:--:-- CERTIFIED ORGANIC MEANS 00:14:45:01 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT G.M.O. 00:14:46:00 --:--:--:-- KING: ALL RIGHT, MARK, 00:14:46:20 --:--:--:-- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 00:14:47:22 --:--:--:-- CRUMPACKER: YOU'RE WELCOME. 00:14:48:18 --:--:--:-- KING: MONSANTO IS ONE OF 00:14:49:18 --:--:--:-- THE BIGGEST NAMES 00:14:50:17 --:--:--:-- IN GENETIC ENGINEERING. 00:14:52:00 --:--:--:-- IN OUR NEXT SEGMENT, WE'LL 00:14:53:04 --:--:--:-- BE JOINED BY ITS EXECUTIVE 00:14:54:17 --:--:--:-- VICE PRESIDENT, DR. ROB FRALEY. 00:14:57:01 00:14:58:04 STAY WITH US. 00:15:00:22 --:--:--:-- KING: WE ARE DOING TWO PROGRAMS 00:15:02:07 --:--:--:-- ON THIS, A FULL HOUR DEVOTED TO 00:15:04:01 --:--:--:-- IT, BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT. 00:15:05:08 --:--:--:-- JOINING US NOW, THE PANEL 00:15:06:17 --:--:--:-- REMAINS OF COURSE, 00:15:07:20 --:--:--:-- IS DR. ROBERT FRALEY. 00:15:09:05 --:--:--:-- HE'S THE EXECUTIVE VICE 00:15:10:11 --:--:--:-- PRESIDENT, CHIEF TECHNOLOGY 00:15:12:01 --:--:--:-- OFFICER OF MONSANTO. 00:15:13:23 --:--:--:-- THAT'S A LEADING PRODUCER 00:15:15:07 --:--:--:-- OF GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SEED. 00:15:17:11 --:--:--:-- DR. FRALEY IS ALSO THE 2012 00:15:20:10 --:--:--:-- RECIPIENT OF THE WORLD FOOD 00:15:22:01 --:--:--:-- PRIZE, DUBBED, BY THE WAY, 00:15:24:01 --:--:--:-- THE NOBEL PRIZE OF FOOD. 00:15:26:11 --:--:--:-- YOU ARE A SUPPORTER 00:15:27:15 --:--:--:-- OF G.M.O.s, RIGHT? 00:15:29:14 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: YEAH, I'M A SUPPORTER 00:15:31:00 --:--:--:-- AS A SCIENTIST WHO'S BEEN 00:15:33:03 --:--:--:-- INVOLVED WITH IT HIS WHOLE 00:15:34:06 --:--:--:-- CAREER, AS A DAD WHO'S GOT THREE 00:15:36:23 --:--:--:-- KIDS, AND, YOU KNOW, AS A YOUNG 00:15:39:09 --:--:--:-- MAN WHO GREW UP ON A FARM IN 00:15:41:05 --:--:--:-- THE MIDWEST AND SPENT A LOT OF 00:15:43:18 --:--:--:-- TIME THINKING ABOUT AGRICULTURE 00:15:45:06 --:--:--:-- AND FOOD PRODUCTION. 00:15:46:18 --:--:--:-- I THINK THESE ARE REALLY 00:15:48:07 --:--:--:-- IMPORTANT TECHNOLOGIES, 00:15:49:14 --:--:--:-- IMPORTANT TOOLS, AS WE THINK 00:15:51:12 --:--:--:-- ABOUT FOOD PRODUCTION TODAY, 00:15:53:23 --:--:--:-- BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, 00:15:55:06 --:--:--:-- THINK ABOUT THE CHALLENGE OF 00:15:56:12 --:--:--:-- PRODUCING, YOU KNOW, TWICE AS 00:15:58:20 --:--:--:-- MUCH FOOD IN JUST A FEW YEARS. 00:16:01:00 --:--:--:-- KING: ARE YOU SAYING THAT 00:16:02:00 --:--:--:-- WHEN MONSANTO GOT INTO THIS, 00:16:03:13 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE MAKING FOOD HEALTHIER? 00:16:06:19 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: ABSOLUTELY. 00:16:08:05 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGIES THAT 00:16:10:00 --:--:--:-- I'M SURE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT 00:16:11:02 --:--:--:-- WITH BIOTECHNOLOGY ARE REALLY 00:16:13:05 --:--:--:-- AN EXTENSION OF THE GENETIC 00:16:14:22 --:--:--:-- MODIFICATION AND BREEDING 00:16:16:10 --:--:--:-- TECHNIQUES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAN 00:16:18:14 --:--:--:-- HAS BEEN USING SINCE THE 00:16:19:16 --:--:--:-- BEGINNING OF TIME, AND WE'VE 00:16:21:08 --:--:--:-- RELIED ON THAT TO PRODUCE, 00:16:23:05 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, THE BETTER CROPS, 00:16:24:09 --:--:--:-- THE BETTER FRUITS AND VEGETABLES 00:16:26:01 --:--:--:-- THAT HAVE ENABLED US TO HAVE THE 00:16:27:13 --:--:--:-- KIND OF CHOICES THAT CONSUMERS 00:16:29:13 --:--:--:-- HAVE TODAY. 00:16:30:19 --:--:--:-- AND THESE TOOLS HAVE HELPED 00:16:32:07 --:--:--:-- FARMERS HERE IN THE U.S. AND 00:16:34:08 --:--:--:-- AROUND THE WORLD, AND THEY ARE 00:16:36:13 --:--:--:-- AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE 00:16:37:21 --:--:--:-- ARSENAL AS WE THINK ABOUT 00:16:39:08 --:--:--:-- PRODUCING MORE FOOD, FACING THE 00:16:41:18 --:--:--:-- CHALLENGES OF CLIMATE CHANGE, 00:16:43:17 --:--:--:-- AND, YOU KNOW, DOUBLING 00:16:44:17 --:--:--:-- THE FOOD SUPPLY. 00:16:45:19 --:--:--:-- KING: HOW MUCH OF THE MARKET 00:16:46:18 --:--:--:-- DOES MONSANTO CONTROL? 00:16:49:12 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE 00:16:50:15 --:--:--:-- THINGS THAT MAKES THAT SO HARD 00:16:52:11 --:--:--:-- TO ANSWER IS WE'VE LICENSED 00:16:54:05 --:--:--:-- OUR TECHNOLOGY TO HUNDREDS 00:16:56:09 --:--:--:-- OF COMPANIES IN THE UNITED 00:16:58:04 --:--:--:-- STATES AND AROUND THE WORLD, 00:16:59:17 --:--:--:-- AND SO VARIOUS COMPANIES USE 00:17:01:23 --:--:--:-- SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGY 00:17:03:19 --:--:--:-- WE'VE DEVELOPED. 00:17:04:20 --:--:--:-- FROM A PURE SEED PERSPECTIVE, 00:17:06:20 --:--:--:-- IF I JUST FOCUS ON THE U.S., 00:17:08:21 --:--:--:-- OUR MARKET SHARE IN CORN, 00:17:10:18 --:--:--:-- IN SOY BEANS, AND VEGETABLES IS 00:17:12:18 --:--:--:-- ABOUT 25% OR SO OF THE MARKET. 00:17:16:01 --:--:--:-- HENNER: HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU 00:17:17:09 --:--:--:-- GIVEN TO THE UNITED STATES 00:17:18:10 --:--:--:-- GOVERNMENT IN ORDER TO KEEP 00:17:19:13 --:--:--:-- SUPPORTING MONSANTO'S G.M.O., 00:17:22:05 --:--:--:-- AND HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND 00:17:24:13 --:--:--:-- AVOIDING G.M.O. LABELING? 00:17:27:09 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: UH, A LOT 00:17:28:06 --:--:--:-- OF QUESTIONS THERE. 00:17:29:06 --:--:--:-- SO, LIKE A LOT OF COMPANIES, 00:17:30:22 --:--:--:-- WE LOBBY ON BEHALF OF OUR FARMER 00:17:32:17 --:--:--:-- CUSTOMERS TO MAKE SURE THAT 00:17:34:05 --:--:--:-- THE--THAT, YOU KNOW, 00:17:35:20 --:--:--:-- THEIR ISSUES ARE UNDERSTOOD 00:17:37:02 --:--:--:-- AND APPRECIATED. 00:17:38:14 --:--:--:-- I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING 00:17:39:15 --:--:--:-- UNUSUAL OR ATYPICAL 00:17:41:07 --:--:--:-- ABOUT OUR LOBBYING EFFORTS. 00:17:43:22 --:--:--:-- IN TERMS OF THE FOOD LABELING, 00:17:45:16 --:--:--:-- I THINK THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY 00:17:47:13 --:--:--:-- CLEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT 00:17:49:02 --:--:--:-- THE INDUSTRY AND WHAT MONSANTO 00:17:50:19 --:--:--:-- CONTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW, 00:17:52:03 --:--:--:-- BOTH IN CALIFORNIA AND IN-- 00:17:53:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT HOW MUCH? 00:17:54:07 --:--:--:-- CAN YOU TELL US HOW MUCH, 00:17:55:05 --:--:--:-- IN BOTH CASES? 00:17:56:06 --:--:--:-- 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T ANSWER 00:17:57:03 --:--:--:-- MY FIRST QUESTION. 00:17:58:10 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: I DON'T REALLY HAVE 00:17:59:08 --:--:--:-- THE SPECIFICS, 00:18:00:06 --:--:--:-- BUT IT'S IMPORTANT. 00:18:01:07 --:--:--:-- I'D BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP 00:18:02:16 --:--:--:-- WITH YOU. 00:18:03:16 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: WOW. 00:18:04:15 --:--:--:-- I GOT TO LEARN TO DO THAT. 00:18:06:02 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW WHAT? HE COULD-- 00:18:07:16 --:--:--:-- THAT'S LIKE A CURVEBALL. 00:18:08:15 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: HE'S GOOD. 00:18:09:12 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: HE COULD HIT A 00:18:10:08 --:--:--:-- CURVEBALL AND A SLIDER. 00:18:11:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: YEAH, FOR SURE. 00:18:12:02 --:--:--:-- KING: ROB, WHAT'S WRONG 00:18:14:20 --:--:--:-- IF THEY LABEL IT? 00:18:18:02 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: NOT A THING. 00:18:19:04 --:--:--:-- IN FACT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S 00:18:20:16 --:--:--:-- A GREAT STARTING POINT FOR THE 00:18:21:19 --:--:--:-- CONVERSATION, 'CAUSE A LOT OF 00:18:23:15 --:--:--:-- PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE 00:18:24:13 --:--:--:-- AGAINST LABELING. 00:18:25:16 --:--:--:-- THE REALITY OF IT IS WE'VE BEEN 00:18:27:04 --:--:--:-- VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE VOLUNTARY 00:18:29:05 --:--:--:-- LABELING APPROACHES THAT I THINK 00:18:31:06 --:--:--:-- ARE REALLY THE TRUE ANSWER 00:18:32:04 --:--:--:-- FOR LABELING. 00:18:33:04 --:--:--:-- AND SO, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTARY 00:18:34:13 --:--:--:-- LABELING, WHETHER IT'S 00:18:36:00 --:--:--:-- G.M.O.-FREE OR ORGANIC, WHICH 00:18:39:00 --:--:--:-- ARE TWO VERY POPULAR LABELS, 00:18:40:19 --:--:--:-- I THINK MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 00:18:42:05 --:--:--:-- AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE APPROACH 00:18:43:17 --:--:--:-- THAT COMPANIES LIKE WHOLE FOODS 00:18:46:11 --:--:--:-- OR CHIPOTLE, OR WHAT WE'VE SEEN 00:18:48:00 --:--:--:-- RECENTLY, YOU KNOW, WITH 00:18:49:08 --:--:--:-- CHEERIOS, IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT 00:18:51:11 --:--:--:-- WAY TO LABEL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 00:18:53:00 --:--:--:-- IF A COMPANY WANTS TO DEVELOP 00:18:55:11 --:--:--:-- AND SUPPORT AND MARKET A PRODUCT 00:18:57:11 --:--:--:-- AND GET THE MARKETING BENEFIT OR 00:18:59:23 --:--:--:-- THE PERCEIVED BENEFIT OF A 00:19:01:18 --:--:--:-- VOLUNTARY LABEL, IT MAKES 00:19:03:00 --:--:--:-- COMPLETE SENSE TO US. 00:19:04:00 --:--:--:-- STONE: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, 00:19:05:03 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE GIVING A VERY POLITICAL 00:19:06:06 --:--:--:-- ANSWER AND YOU'RE AVOIDING 00:19:07:02 --:--:--:-- THE QUESTION AGAIN. 00:19:08:05 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE 00:19:09:06 --:--:--:-- SUPPORTING POSITIVE LABELING, 00:19:10:13 --:--:--:-- WHICH MEANS THAT COMPANIES 00:19:11:17 --:--:--:-- DO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO SAY, 00:19:12:23 --:--:--:-- "WE'RE G.M.O.-FREE," 00:19:14:10 --:--:--:-- BUT WHAT YOU'RE ELIMINATING AND 00:19:16:22 --:--:--:-- WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE FACT 00:19:18:12 --:--:--:-- THAT MONSANTO SUPPORTS 00:19:20:16 --:--:--:-- NOT LABELING-- 00:19:22:02 --:--:--:-- HENNER: 7.1 MILLION--YEAH. 00:19:23:04 --:--:--:-- STONE: RIGHT, YOU'VE SPENT A 00:19:24:05 --:--:--:-- LOT OF MONEY SAYING--YOU KNOW, 00:19:26:04 --:--:--:-- GOING OUT AND LOBBYING THE 00:19:27:07 --:--:--:-- GOVERNMENT SAYING THAT YOU DON'T 00:19:28:13 --:--:--:-- WANT G.M.O.s TO BE LABELED. 00:19:31:21 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: NO, WHAT WE'VE SAID-- 00:19:32:22 --:--:--:-- STONE: THE COMPULSORY LABELING 00:19:33:18 --:--:--:-- OF G.M.O. USE 00:19:34:14 --:--:--:-- IN PROCESSED FOODS. 00:19:35:17 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: CERTAINLY, WE'LL HAVE 00:19:36:17 --:--:--:-- PLENTY OF TIME FOR DIALOGUE. 00:19:38:07 --:--:--:-- AND YOU KNOW MY STYLE. 00:19:39:17 --:--:--:-- I'LL BE ABSOLUTELY AS DIRECT 00:19:42:10 --:--:--:-- AND CANDID AS IS ABSOLUTELY-- 00:19:45:00 --:--:--:-- I CAN BE, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A 00:19:46:21 --:--:--:-- REALLY STRONG PASSION ABOUT FOOD 00:19:49:16 --:--:--:-- AND FOOD SAFETY 00:19:50:13 --:--:--:-- AS WE GO FORWARD. 00:19:51:23 --:--:--:-- SO, FIRST OF ALL, FROM A POINT 00:19:53:03 --:--:--:-- OF VIEW OF MANDATORY LABELING, 00:19:54:22 --:--:--:-- WHICH WAS THE POINT THAT WAS 00:19:56:11 --:--:--:-- BEING DEBATED BOTH IN 00:19:58:07 --:--:--:-- CALIFORNIA AND WASHINGTON STATE, 00:20:00:11 --:--:--:-- WE'RE AGAINST THAT BECAUSE 00:20:03:00 --:--:--:-- MANDATORY LABELING IS AN F.D.A. 00:20:05:04 --:--:--:-- DECISION, AND IF EVERY STATE 00:20:06:23 --:--:--:-- WERE TO LABEL THEIR FOODS 00:20:08:20 --:--:--:-- DIFFERENTLY, I THINK IT WOULD 00:20:10:07 --:--:--:-- REALLY HURT FARMERS IN THE 00:20:12:01 --:--:--:-- TRANSPORT OF FOOD AND REALLY 00:20:14:00 --:--:--:-- CREATE UNNECESSARY COSTS. 00:20:15:17 --:--:--:-- AND IT'S REALLY NOT ESSENTIAL, 00:20:18:05 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE THE VOLUNTARY LABELING 00:20:19:13 --:--:--:-- SCHEMES FOR G.M.O.-- 00:20:20:21 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WE HAVE OTHER LABELING. 00:20:21:20 --:--:--:-- WE HAVE OTHER LABELING 00:20:22:16 --:--:--:-- FOR THINGS LIKE ORGANIC. 00:20:23:12 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: ORGANIC. 00:20:24:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: WE HAVE OTHER LABELING. 00:20:25:05 --:--:--:-- EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT THAT YOU 00:20:26:01 --:--:--:-- BUY SINCE THE LATE '70s HAS 00:20:27:18 --:--:--:-- SOME KIND OF LABEL ON IT, SO WHY 00:20:29:05 --:--:--:-- WOULDN'T YOU ALLOW, YOU KNOW, 00:20:30:18 --:--:--:-- "G.M.O. CORN," "G.M.O. SOY," 00:20:31:23 --:--:--:-- "G.M.O. WHEAT"-- 00:20:33:00 --:--:--:-- WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE. 00:20:33:23 --:--:--:-- STONE: SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE 00:20:35:02 --:--:--:-- INFORMED DECISIONS, 'CAUSE THERE 00:20:36:04 --:--:--:-- ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DON'T 00:20:37:01 --:--:--:-- WANT TO BUY G.M.O. FOOD, 00:20:38:14 --:--:--:-- SO WHY DON'T THEY--WHY DON'T-- 00:20:39:22 --:--:--:-- WHY CAN'T WE GIVE THEM THE POWER 00:20:41:13 --:--:--:-- TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION? 00:20:42:13 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THEY CAN MAKE AN 00:20:43:13 --:--:--:-- INFORMED DECISION BY BUYING 00:20:44:13 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC, WHICH IS LABEL 00:20:45:20 --:--:--:-- CERTIFIED AND IS NON-G.M.O. 00:20:47:23 --:--:--:-- AND I ALSO THINK THAT THIS IS 00:20:49:02 --:--:--:-- REALLY AN ARROGANT CONVERSATION. 00:20:51:01 --:--:--:-- HENNER: [laughs] OH. 00:20:51:21 --:--:--:-- KING: BECAUSE? 00:20:52:17 --:--:--:-- HENNER: 'CAUSE IT'S NOT 00:20:53:13 --:--:--:-- ALL GOING YOUR WAY. 00:20:54:09 --:--:--:-- YEAH, BECAUSE-- 00:20:55:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO, IT'S AN ARROGANT 00:20:56:13 --:--:--:-- CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT ASSUMES 00:20:58:20 --:--:--:-- THAT THE PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA 00:21:00:01 --:--:--:-- THAT VOTED "NO" FOR LABELING 00:21:01:20 --:--:--:-- WERE DOING IT BECAUSE SOMEHOW 00:21:03:01 --:--:--:-- MONSANTO PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD 00:21:04:19 --:--:--:-- AND TOLD THEM TO DO THAT. 00:21:05:15 --:--:--:-- HENNER: NO, BUT THEY 00:21:06:12 --:--:--:-- CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTED. 00:21:07:08 --:--:--:-- KING: DR. GOLDBERG AND 00:21:08:05 --:--:--:-- DR. FRALEY, HOW AM I HURT 00:21:11:00 --:--:--:-- BY MORE INFORMATION? 00:21:12:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU'RE NOT HURT BY 00:21:13:06 --:--:--:-- MORE INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK 00:21:14:10 --:--:--:-- MORE INFORMATION IS GREAT, BUT-- 00:21:15:20 --:--:--:-- KING: SO WHY CAN'T I KNOW IF 00:21:17:00 --:--:--:-- A PRODUCT HAS IT OR NOT HAS IT? 00:21:18:06 --:--:--:-- IT'S JUST INFORMATION. 00:21:19:09 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: HERE'S THE PROBLEM 00:21:20:11 --:--:--:-- WITH THE ARGUMENT. 00:21:21:13 --:--:--:-- ONE COULD BREED, CONVENTIONALLY, 00:21:25:12 --:--:--:-- A PLANT THAT MIGHT BE EVEN MORE 00:21:28:17 --:--:--:-- HARMFUL TO YOU THAN ANYTHING 00:21:31:02 --:--:--:-- THAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT DO USING 00:21:33:05 --:--:--:-- MODERN GENETIC ENGINEERING. 00:21:35:01 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: LIKE WHAT PLANT? 00:21:36:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: FOR EXAMPLE, NO 00:21:37:11 --:--:--:-- CONVENTIONALLY GROWN CROPS 00:21:39:04 --:--:--:-- HAVE ANY TESTING OR 00:21:40:19 --:--:--:-- ANY REGULATORY OVERSIGHT. 00:21:42:19 --:--:--:-- THE POLICY OF THE F.D.A. IS 00:21:44:11 --:--:--:-- THAT CONVENTIONAL CROPS AND 00:21:46:23 --:--:--:-- GENETICALLY ENGINEERED CROPS 00:21:48:05 --:--:--:-- ARE NOT ANY DIFFERENT 00:21:49:01 --:--:--:-- FROM EACH OTHER, 00:21:50:03 --:--:--:-- AND I THINK IT'S VERY LOGICAL-- 00:21:51:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: AND BEFORE THE F.D.A. 00:21:52:04 --:--:--:-- WAS BOUGHT BY MONSANTO AND OTHER 00:21:53:07 --:--:--:-- SPECIAL-INTEREST GROUPS-- 00:21:54:07 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION. 00:21:55:04 --:--:--:-- SO, IF YOU HAD A ORGANIC FOOD 00:21:57:20 --:--:--:-- IN FRONT OF YOU 00:21:58:20 --:--:--:-- OR A GENETICALLY MODIFIED... 00:21:59:18 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEP. 00:22:00:18 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO EAT 00:22:01:20 --:--:--:-- THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED BECAUSE 00:22:03:10 --:--:--:-- YOU FEEL IT'S BETTER FOR YOU? 00:22:05:03 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO. 00:22:06:04 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 00:22:07:00 --:--:--:-- WHICH ONE WOULD YOU EAT? 00:22:07:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YEAH, I HAVE TO ANSWER 00:22:08:23 --:--:--:-- IT IN SAYING I'M A SCIENTIST. 00:22:10:06 --:--:--:-- I GO BY SCIENTIFIC DATA. 00:22:11:20 --:--:--:-- THERE'S A PROCESS HERE. 00:22:13:01 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT HOCUS POCUS. 00:22:14:19 --:--:--:-- IT'S NOT MAGIC. 00:22:16:02 --:--:--:-- KING: LET ME GET TO BREAK, GUYS. 00:22:17:18 --:--:--:-- WE GOT TO GET A BREAK. 00:22:18:14 --:--:--:-- COMING RIGHT BACK. 00:22:19:11 --:--:--:-- COULD G.M.O.s HELP CURE 00:22:20:17 --:--:--:-- WORLD HUNGER? 00:22:21:22 --:--:--:-- WE'LL DISCUSS THE LINK BETWEEN 00:22:23:04 --:--:--:-- FOOD INSECURITY AND GENETIC 00:22:25:05 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERING WITH DR. FRALEY 00:22:27:03 --:--:--:-- AND OUR PANELISTS 00:22:28:01 00:22:29:05 RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK. 00:22:31:18 --:--:--:-- KING: WE'RE BACK. 00:22:32:18 --:--:--:-- A 2013 U.N. REPORT PROJECTS 00:22:35:03 --:--:--:-- THE WORLD POPULATION 00:22:36:06 --:--:--:-- WILL HIT 9.6 BILLION BY 2050. 00:22:39:00 --:--:--:-- ROB, ARE G.M.O. CROPS AN ANSWER 00:22:40:23 --:--:--:-- TO WORLD HUNGER? 00:22:42:07 --:--:--:-- FRALEY: I THINK THEY'RE ONE 00:22:43:06 --:--:--:-- OF THE IMPORTANT ANSWERS. 00:22:44:19 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY TOOL, 00:22:45:23 --:--:--:-- BUT THEY'RE A REALLY CRITICAL 00:22:47:04 --:--:--:-- TOOL, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE 00:22:48:21 --:--:--:-- ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THE ABILITY 00:22:50:18 --:--:--:-- TO REDUCE PESTICIDES, 00:22:52:15 --:--:--:-- INCREASE YIELDS. 00:22:54:00 --:--:--:-- YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GROWN NOW IN 00:22:55:03 --:--:--:-- 30 COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD 00:22:57:00 --:--:--:-- BY TENS OF MILLIONS OF FARMERS, 00:22:59:08 --:--:--:-- AND THEY ARE AN IMPORTANT TOOL, 00:23:01:15 --:--:--:-- PARTICULARLY IF WE THINK ABOUT 00:23:03:06 --:--:--:-- PRODUCING FOOD FOR A GROWING 00:23:05:01 --:--:--:-- PLANET IN THE FACE 00:23:06:11 --:--:--:-- OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND A LOT OF 00:23:08:03 --:--:--:-- CHALLENGES FOR, YOU KNOW, 00:23:10:00 --:--:--:-- DOUBLING THE FOOD SUPPLY. 00:23:12:08 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT THERE'S OTHER 00:23:13:04 --:--:--:-- CHALLENGES AS WELL. 00:23:14:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: ABSOLUTELY. 00:23:14:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WE HAVE TO BE ABLE 00:23:15:16 --:--:--:-- TO GROW MORE FOOD IN THE NEXT 00:23:17:16 --:--:--:-- 50 YEARS THAN WE HAVE IN THE 00:23:18:16 --:--:--:-- ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMANKIND, 00:23:20:13 --:--:--:-- AND WE HAVE TO DO IT ON LESS 00:23:21:21 --:--:--:-- LAND, MUCH LESS LAND, WHICH 00:23:24:00 --:--:--:-- MEANS WE NEED HIGHER YIELDS WITH 00:23:25:19 --:--:--:-- MUCH LESS RESOURCES-- 00:23:26:21 --:--:--:-- WATER, FERTILIZER-- 00:23:27:22 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT WE SHOULD ALSO BE 00:23:28:22 --:--:--:-- LOOKING AT HOW MUCH MONEY 00:23:29:19 --:--:--:-- AND TIME AND SPACE... 00:23:30:15 --:--:--:-- KING: CURTIS. 00:23:31:11 --:--:--:-- STONE: YEAH? 00:23:32:07 --:--:--:-- KING: ARE YOU SAYING 00:23:33:05 --:--:--:-- THAT THIS IS HARMFUL? 00:23:34:09 --:--:--:-- STONE: WELL, LOOK, I THINK-- 00:23:35:11 --:--:--:-- KING: ARE YOU SAYING TO PEOPLE, 00:23:36:15 --:--:--:-- "DON'T EAT G.M.O. FOODS"? 00:23:38:11 --:--:--:-- STONE: I'M SAYING THAT I DON'T-- 00:23:39:10 --:--:--:-- KING: ARE YOU SAYING THAT? 00:23:40:06 --:--:--:-- STONE: I DON'T EAT G.M.O. FOODS 00:23:41:02 --:--:--:-- BECAUSE I DON'T THINK 00:23:41:22 --:--:--:-- AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF 00:23:43:00 --:--:--:-- RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE ON THEM. 00:23:44:15 --:--:--:-- LET ME--LET'S--SEEING WE'RE 00:23:45:15 --:--:--:-- TALKING ABOUT WORLD HUNGER-- 00:23:46:11 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: MM-HMM. 00:23:47:14 --:--:--:-- STONE: WELL, YOU'RE LAUGHING, 00:23:48:10 --:--:--:-- BUT LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. 00:23:49:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: I'M NOT LAUGHING. 00:23:50:02 --:--:--:-- I'M SMILING. 00:23:50:22 --:--:--:-- STONE: THERE WERE DOCTORS AND 00:23:51:18 --:--:--:-- THERE WERE PROFESSORS THAT WENT 00:23:52:14 --:--:--:-- OUT AND SAID THERE WAS NOTHING 00:23:53:10 --:--:--:-- WRONG WITH TOBACCO SMOKE EITHER, 00:23:54:07 --:--:--:-- AND THEN WE LATER FOUND OUT 00:23:55:07 --:--:--:-- THAT IT CAUSED CANCER, OKAY? 00:23:56:03 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THAT'S CORRECT, BUT 00:23:56:23 --:--:--:-- A GENE IS NOT TOBACCO SMOKE. 00:23:58:03 --:--:--:-- STONE: WELL, OKAY-- 00:23:59:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND A GENE THAT WE 00:23:59:20 --:--:--:-- KNOW THE STRUCTURE OF 00:24:00:17 --:--:--:-- IS NOT TOBACCO SMOKE. 00:24:01:15 --:--:--:-- AND A GENE THAT WE KNOW WHERE 00:24:02:15 --:--:--:-- IT GOES IN THE CHROMOSOME-- 00:24:03:18 --:--:--:-- HENNER: BUT NOW YOU'RE PUTTING 00:24:04:15 --:--:--:-- THE PESTICIDES, YOU'RE PUTTING-- 00:24:05:11 --:--:--:-- AND HOW ARE--WE'RE INGESTING 00:24:06:12 --:--:--:-- THEM, AND OUR CHILDREN 00:24:07:08 --:--:--:-- ARE TAKING THEM. 00:24:08:04 --:--:--:-- STONE: AND YOU'RE TELLING ME 00:24:09:00 --:--:--:-- THAT BECAUSE THIS SCIENTIFIC 00:24:10:06 --:--:--:-- RESEARCH HASN'T SHOWN THAT 00:24:12:16 --:--:--:-- G.M.O.s CAN BE HARMFUL, THEN 00:24:14:17 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE SAFE, AND I'M SAYING 00:24:16:03 --:--:--:-- THAT'S NOT THE CASE. 00:24:16:23 --:--:--:-- I DISAGREE WITH YOU. 00:24:17:23 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THEN IF YOU DISAGREE, 00:24:19:09 --:--:--:-- YOU'RE DISAGREEING WITH EVERY 00:24:20:20 --:--:--:-- MAJOR SCIENTIFIC BODY 00:24:22:03 --:--:--:-- IN THE WORLD. 00:24:23:00 --:--:--:-- STONE: BY THE WAY, THAT'S 00:24:23:20 --:--:--:-- NOT TRUE, BUT-- 00:24:24:16 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: WELL, DO YOU DISAGREE 00:24:25:12 --:--:--:-- WITH THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF 00:24:26:12 --:--:--:-- SCIENCES, THE ROYAL SOCIETY, 00:24:28:14 --:--:--:-- THE AUSTRALIAN ACADEMY 00:24:29:14 --:--:--:-- OF SCIENCES. 00:24:30:10 --:--:--:-- STONE: WHICH THEY ALL HAVE-- 00:24:31:06 --:--:--:-- ALL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST. 00:24:32:02 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THEY WANT TO PLAY 00:24:32:22 --:--:--:-- IN THEIR LABORATORY! 00:24:33:18 --:--:--:-- THEY--YES, SPECIAL INTERESTS. 00:24:34:14 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND OVER 2,000 00:24:36:13 --:--:--:-- PEER-REVIEWED EXPERIMENTS THAT 00:24:37:21 --:--:--:-- HAVE NOT BEEN DONE BY MONSANTO 00:24:39:14 --:--:--:-- AND HAVE NOT BEEN DONE 00:24:40:18 --:--:--:-- BY SYNGENTA, HAVE BEEN DONE BY-- 00:24:42:14 --:--:--:-- STONE: PLEASE, LET ME JUST 00:24:43:10 --:--:--:-- ADDRESS ONE THING-- 00:24:44:06 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND YOU DISAGREE WITH 00:24:45:09 --:--:--:-- THE EUROPEAN FOOD SAFETY 00:24:46:12 --:--:--:-- ORGANIZATION THAT SAID THAT 00:24:47:15 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE PERFECTLY SAFE. 00:24:48:18 --:--:--:-- KING: ROB, IS YOUR FEAR-- 00:24:49:15 --:--:--:-- AND BOB--IS THAT IF IT'S 00:24:51:02 --:--:--:-- LABELED, PEOPLE WON'T BUY IT? 00:24:53:04 --:--:--:-- IS THAT YOUR FEAR? 00:24:54:05 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: NO, MY FEAR IS THAT 00:24:55:07 --:--:--:-- THERE'S BEEN A CONCERTED 15-YEAR 00:24:59:14 --:--:--:-- CAMPAIGN TO DEMONIZE THESE KINDS 00:25:02:17 --:--:--:-- OF FOODS AND THIS TECHNOLOGY. 00:25:03:16 --:--:--:-- KING: SO YOUR FEAR IS THEY 00:25:04:18 --:--:--:-- WON'T BUY IT IF THEY LABEL? 00:25:05:19 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND SO WHEN I LISTEN 00:25:06:20 --:--:--:-- TO MARILU, I HEAR VERY SIMILAR 00:25:10:02 --:--:--:-- THINGS TO THE CLIMATE DENIERS 00:25:11:15 --:--:--:-- OF THE RIGHT. 00:25:13:04 --:--:--:-- HENNER: OH. [scoffs] 00:25:14:03 --:--:--:-- PLEASE, DO NOT 00:25:15:10 --:--:--:-- SAY THAT ABOUT ME. 00:25:17:10 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: IN FACE OF ALL THE 00:25:18:13 --:--:--:-- SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, THEY SAY, 00:25:19:20 --:--:--:-- "NO, THE CLIMATE ISN'T CHANGING. 00:25:21:08 --:--:--:-- THE CLIMATE ISN'T CHANGING." 00:25:22:08 --:--:--:-- HENNER: THE CLIMATE'S 00:25:23:04 --:--:--:-- TOTALLY CHANGING. 00:25:24:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: SO, IN FACE OF ALL THE 00:25:24:21 --:--:--:-- SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, CURTIS AND 00:25:25:21 --:--:--:-- MARILU ARE SAYING, "NO, 00:25:26:20 --:--:--:-- THEY'RE HARMFUL. 00:25:27:21 --:--:--:-- THERE MAY BE PROBLEMS AND 00:25:28:23 --:--:--:-- STUFF," AND SO THEREFORE, 00:25:30:11 --:--:--:-- EVERY SCIENCE AND EVERY 00:25:31:15 --:--:--:-- SCIENTIFIC SOCIETY IS WRONG. 00:25:33:12 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: ONE AT A TIME. 00:25:34:08 --:--:--:-- ONE AT A TIME. 00:25:35:05 --:--:--:-- HENNER: EXCUSE ME, ARROGANT. 00:25:36:02 --:--:--:-- KING: HE SAYS THE SCIENTIFIC 00:25:37:13 --:--:--:-- EFFORT SUPPORTS HIS POSITION. 00:25:39:09 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: AND IT SUPPORTS THAT 00:25:40:09 --:--:--:-- OBESITY HAS RISEN, AND IT-- 00:25:41:21 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT IT'S NOT 00:25:42:17 --:--:--:-- DUE TO G.M.O.s. 00:25:43:22 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IN THE PAST 10 YEARS, 00:25:45:00 --:--:--:-- 15 YEARS, LIKE HE SAID. 00:25:45:20 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND THAT HAS NOTHING 00:25:46:16 --:--:--:-- TO DO WITH G.M.O.s. 00:25:47:12 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: IT DOES, 'CAUSE IF 90% 00:25:48:08 --:--:--:-- OF THE FOODS ARE G.M.O.s-- 00:25:49:04 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: BUT IT CAN'T! 00:25:50:00 --:--:--:-- IT CAN'T! 00:25:50:20 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: THEN IT HAS TO COME 00:25:51:16 --:--:--:-- FROM THE FOOD. 00:25:52:12 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: OKAY, AS I EXPLAINED, 00:25:53:08 --:--:--:-- AND I'M NOT GONNA GET TOO 00:25:54:04 --:--:--:-- PEDANTIC OR TOO PROFESSORIAL-- 00:25:55:04 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: GREAT WORD. 00:25:56:00 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: OKAY? 00:25:56:22 --:--:--:-- HENNER: TOO LATE. 00:25:57:21 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: THE GENETICALLY 00:25:59:00 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERED, LET'S SAY, SOYBEAN 00:26:01:07 --:--:--:-- HAS A GENE IN IT THAT, IN 00:26:04:11 --:--:--:-- MANY CASES, IS A PLANT GENE, 00:26:06:13 --:--:--:-- WHICH MAKES A PROTEIN THAT YOU 00:26:09:01 --:--:--:-- EAT EVERY SINGLE DAY IN EITHER 00:26:11:06 --:--:--:-- ORGANIC OR NON-GENETICALLY 00:26:13:15 --:--:--:-- ENGINEERED VEGETABLES. 00:26:14:18 --:--:--:-- IT'S INDISTINGUISHABLE 00:26:16:20 --:--:--:-- IN CHEMICAL STRUCTURE, AND 00:26:18:20 --:--:--:-- THEREFORE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE 00:26:20:10 --:--:--:-- ANY OF THESE EFFECTS THAT YOU 00:26:21:17 --:--:--:-- HAVE BECAUSE YOU'RE EATING IT 00:26:22:22 --:--:--:-- AS IT IS. 00:26:23:23 --:--:--:-- SECONDLY, THE INSECT-RESISTANT 00:26:26:13 --:--:--:-- CROPS THAT ARE MADE, WHICH 00:26:27:19 --:--:--:-- REDUCE TREMENDOUSLY MILLIONS 00:26:30:07 --:--:--:-- AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND 00:26:31:09 --:--:--:-- MILLIONS OF POUNDS OF PESTICIDES 00:26:32:22 --:--:--:-- IN THE ENVIRONMENT, THIS IS 00:26:34:04 --:--:--:-- SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN 00:26:35:20 --:--:--:-- USED IN ORGANIC FARMING 00:26:37:22 --:--:--:-- FOR OVER 75 YEARS. 00:26:38:23 --:--:--:-- SALLEY: AREN'T YOU SCARED 00:26:40:01 --:--:--:-- THAT A INSECT WON'T EAT IT? 00:26:41:17 --:--:--:-- IF AN INSECT WON'T EAT IT, 00:26:43:09 --:--:--:-- AND A BIRD WON'T EAT IT, 00:26:44:14 --:--:--:-- YOU SHOULD BE AFRAID! 00:26:45:22 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: AND IT HAS BEEN USED 00:26:47:01 --:--:--:-- IN ORGANIC FARMING... 00:26:48:00 --:--:--:-- HENNER: AND OUR CHILDREN! 00:26:49:00 --:--:--:-- IT'S SO UNFAIR. 00:26:50:00 --:--:--:-- THEIR LITTLE 40-TO-80 00:26:50:20 --:--:--:-- POUND BODIES. 00:26:51:19 --:--:--:-- GOLDBERG: YOU KNOW, THIS-- 00:26:52:16 --:--:--:-- WHEN I LISTEN TO THIS 00:26:53:17 --:--:--:-- CONVERSATION--AND I MEAN THIS 00:26:57:15 --:--:--:-- SINCERELY--I FIND IT 00:26:59:08 --:--:--:-- VERY, VERY DEPRESSING. 00:27:00:13 --:--:--:-- HENNER: IT IS DEPRESSING. 00:27:01:16 --:--:--:-- KING: WE'LL PICK UP ON THAT. 00:27:02:13 --:--:--:-- THE TOPIC IS G.M.O.s. 00:27:03:18 --:--:--:-- THANKS, DR. FRALEY. 00:27:05:09 --:--:--:-- AND THAT ENDS PART ONE OF A 00:27:07:08 00:27:09:17 TWO-PARTER OF "LARRY KING NOW."