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LegendaryActivity: 1722Merit: 1037WalletScrutiny.com No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 06:44:07 AM #1 Hi



I'm traveling in Iran at the moment and there is a good reason for using bitcoin here:

Due to embargo there is no international credit card you could use in Iran. Business men told me that their transaction costs are 8% when dealing with the USA as they have to send the money via Dubai.



Unfortunately using bitcoin is not possible for several reasons:

"High speed internet" is available to every Iranian in cities. Unfortunately high speed internet is limited to 128kb/s wich is a problem when downloading the block chain.

The bigger problem arises from the embargo though: many sites block Iranian requests including the sourceforge downloads for the client, google code for the source etc.

I could not find a link to download the bitcoin client here. Could you please add trustworthy mirrors for Iran, Cuba, etc. or just straight stop using pages that block the spreading of FOSS to such countries??



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MemberActivity: 93Merit: 11 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 07:26:35 AM #2 Quote from: giszmo on August 16, 2011, 06:44:07 AM Could you please add trustworthy mirrors for Iran, Cuba, etc. or just straight stop using pages that block the spreading of FOSS to such countries??



I don't think you'll find "trustworthy" links, since SourceForge probably are prohibited by some kind of laws from doing that. If it isn't from SourceForge, then I wouldn't call it trustworthy.



Another option could be for someone trustworthy (such as Gavin) to host such files and post links here, but I would not expect him to risk getting angry calls from the authorities for this.



There are known ways to become anonymous on the net. I bet you can find solutions if you look a bit more.

I don't think you'll find "trustworthy" links, since SourceForge probably are prohibited by some kind of laws from doing that. If it isn't from SourceForge, then I wouldn't call it trustworthy.Another option could be for someone trustworthy (such as Gavin) to host such files and post links here, but I would not expect him to risk getting angry calls from the authorities for this.There are known ways to become anonymous on the net. I bet you can find solutions if you look a bit more.

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Hero MemberActivity: 938Merit: 1000 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 07:50:45 AM #3 How about Bittorrent? Signed packages, including the source code and blockchain can be easily distributed that way. Though, I guess if there is a way to mind people to check the signatures, I suppose it could be distributed using any other channel as well... Bitcoin Bittorrent is especially useful since the blockchain is getting rather big.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 429Merit: 250 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 08:37:04 AM #4 Quote many sites block Iranian requests including the sourceforge downloads for the client, google code for the source etc. I don`t think it is websites` policies, it is likely due to restrictions of datacenters or Iranian government itself. Otherwise it is just stupid. Good practice will be using Tor (with bridges, as public Tor nodes are blocked in Iran as I know).



Also you don`t need mirrors to be trustworthy - just verify signature or hash-sum, that`s all you need. I don`t think it is websites` policies, it is likely due to restrictions of datacenters or Iranian government itself. Otherwise it is just stupid. Good practice will be using Tor (with bridges, as public Tor nodes are blocked in Iran as I know).Also you don`t need mirrors to be trustworthy - just verify signature or hash-sum, that`s all you need.

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Full MemberActivity: 135Merit: 100 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 09:17:37 AM #5 Wait a minute, is not SHA-256 algorithm property of the US Government?



Then soliciting to send bitcoins to Iran would be a violation of the embargo US imposes to that country.



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this is not only about if and how could i get hands on bitcoin now but also generally about how will it ever be successful in iran and cuba where there would definitely be a need for bitcoin.



and no, the bitcoin download is not blocked by the iranians but by sourceforge and google code. they point me to these documents:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Terms_of_Use#ProhibitedPersons

... oh, actually the desktop client is on github which is accessible but due to limited bandwidth there is little point in getting it up and running for me now anyway ...



and no, it has nothing to do with sha256 as all of sourceforge and google code is blocked here. sorry but that is a reason for me to use other hosters. too general embargoes are always evil.

gah, guys!this is not only about if and how could i get hands on bitcoin now but also generally about how will it ever be successful in iran and cuba where there would definitely be a need for bitcoin.and no, the bitcoin download is not blocked by the iranians but by sourceforge and google code. they point me to these documents:... oh, actually the desktop client is on github which is accessible but due to limited bandwidth there is little point in getting it up and running for me now anyway ...and no, it has nothing to do with sha256 as all of sourceforge and google code is blocked here. sorry but that is a reason for me to use other hosters. too general embargoes are always evil. ɃɃ WalletScrutiny.com Is your wallet secure? (Methodology)

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Sr. MemberActivity: 462Merit: 250It's all about the game, and how you play it Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 09:35:50 PM #7 Quote from: giszmo on August 16, 2011, 09:02:16 PM



this is not only about if and how could i get hands on bitcoin now but also generally about how will it ever be successful in iran and cuba where there would definitely be a need for bitcoin.



and no, the bitcoin download is not blocked by the iranians but by sourceforge and google code. they point me to these documents:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sitelegal/wiki/Terms_of_Use#ProhibitedPersons

... oh, actually the desktop client is on github which is accessible but due to limited bandwidth there is little point in getting it up and running for me now anyway ...



and no, it has nothing to do with sha256 as all of sourceforge and google code is blocked here. sorry but that is a reason for me to use other hosters. too general embargoes are always evil.



gah, guys!this is not only about if and how could i get hands on bitcoin now but also generally about how will it ever be successful in iran and cuba where there would definitely be a need for bitcoin.and no, the bitcoin download is not blocked by the iranians but by sourceforge and google code. they point me to these documents:... oh, actually the desktop client is on github which is accessible but due to limited bandwidth there is little point in getting it up and running for me now anyway ...and no, it has nothing to do with sha256 as all of sourceforge and google code is blocked here. sorry but that is a reason for me to use other hosters. too general embargoes are always evil.



Someone could upload the client to rapidshare but why would the blockchain take "so long" even over 128k you should be able to at worst download it overnight Someone could upload the client to rapidshare but why would the blockchain take "so long" even over 128k you should be able to at worst download it overnight "If we don't hang together, by Heavens we shall hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin



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Hero MemberActivity: 938Merit: 1000 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 16, 2011, 11:08:16 PM #8 Quote from: deslok on August 16, 2011, 09:35:50 PM Someone could upload the client to rapidshare but why would the blockchain take "so long" even over 128k you should be able to at worst download it overnight



Because the client is inefficient? The best way to do this IMO is distributing a signed version of the mature blockchain with the signed version of the client in regular intervals. Checksums would be OK too. It's just hard to tell people to verify the executables and blockchain, otherwise it would be a major security risk for the users.

Because the client is inefficient? The best way to do this IMO is distributing a signed version of the mature blockchain with the signed version of the client in regular intervals. Checksums would be OK too. It's just hard to tell people to verify the executables and blockchain, otherwise it would be a major security risk for the users.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 420Merit: 250 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 17, 2011, 01:29:53 AM #11 source forge blocks countries such as iran out of their own sense of right and wrong. not due to the US laws.

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aka psyLegendaryActivity: 1456Merit: 1000 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 17, 2011, 01:38:32 AM #12 Quote from: Nesetalis on August 17, 2011, 01:29:53 AM source forge blocks countries such as iran out of their own sense of right and wrong. not due to the US laws.



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I would agree with you if you said they do it because they fear what might happen to them as US based company/service, but punishing the people that live under oppressive regimes doesn't seem very open to me.

So maybe we should boycot Sourceforge out of our own sense of right and wrong...



Now I'll never download any other software from there. Imagine they start giving US government access to the source code repositories so they can put backdoors in softwares, for instance bitcoin, would that be a good thing?



I think this deserves a thread of its own, but I'm not eloquent enough to start it myself probably Read first, talk later...I would agree with you if you said they do it because they fear what might happen to them as US based company/service, but punishing the people that live under oppressive regimes doesn't seem very open to me.So maybe we should boycot Sourceforge out of our own sense of right and wrong...Now I'll never download any other software from there. Imagine they start giving US government access to the source code repositories so they can put backdoors in softwares, for instance bitcoin, would that be a good thing?I think this deserves a thread of its own, but I'm not eloquent enough to start it myself probably BTCAddress/OTC ID/GPG Key

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Sr. MemberActivity: 252Merit: 250 Re: No bitcoin in Iran August 17, 2011, 09:45:18 AM #14 Quote from: psy on August 16, 2011, 11:57:37 PM Well, if sourceforge is such a puppet in the U.S. government hands, i say take the client out of there, because it doesn't seem the right place to be hosting it.



This.

People in Iran are not "bad". They are normal people who want to live their lives.



No reason why they should suffer because of the things their government does.

I don't think it sits well with the concept of bitcoin to host the client on a site, which blocks certain people in the world from downloading it.



Every single person in the world should have equal access to the client and blockchain regardless of their location. This.People in Iran are not "bad". They are normal people who want to live their lives.No reason why they should suffer because of the things their government does.I don't think it sits well with the concept of bitcoin to host the client on a site, which blocks certain people in the world from downloading it.Every single person in the world should have equal access to the client and blockchain regardless of their location. 1f3gHNoBodYw1LLs3ndY0UanYB1tC0lnsBec4USeYoU9AREaCH34PBeGgAR67fx