President Trump signed a proclamation honoring Martin Luther King Jr. at the White House Friday afternoon.

In attendance was MLK’s nephew, Isaac Newton Farris Jr., who gave short remarks about his uncle’s legacy and thanked the president for the proclamation.

After the event, CNN asked Farris what the president said to him in private. Farris said that Trump told him, “I’m not the guy being described in the media.” CNN then asked Farris if he thinks Trump is racist. Farris said:

I don’t think that President Trump is a racist in the traditional sense as we know in this country. I think President Trump is racially ignorant or racially uninformed. But I don’t think that he’s a racist in the traditional sense.

CNN asked what Farris meant by that.

Farris said bluntly: “It means that we have him until 2020 or until something else happens.”

In the segment directly after, the interviewer said, “You are either a racist or you are not a racist. What is that supposed to mean?”