Kate and Doree are two friends who love to talk about serums.

On Forever35, LA-based writers and friends Doree Shafrir and Kate Spencer dive into the self-care practices that we all text our friends about — from which serums they’re using right now and whether drugstore mascara is as good as the fancy stuff, to finding a great therapist, navigating the challenges of friendship, and what they’re making for dinner. No topic is off-limits, and Doree and Kate get into it with humor, honesty, and authenticity, along with guests like Samin Nosrat, Aminatou Sow, Nicole Byer, Elizabeth Gilbert, and Alie Ward. As Real Simple put it, “Listening to them chat is like eavesdropping on two great people you’d love to be bffs with.