Coastergasm Wednesday, January 3, 2001 9:52 AM



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Sex or riding a Coaster?



Im going with the Coaster!!!! +0 I think Cedar point should bring back Berenstein Bear land and take out that crappy Snoopy Land,Everyone Loves Berenstein Bears, They could have marketed a whole new series to the next generation of kids. Bring Back Berenstien Bear Land Yo!-------------Sex or riding a Coaster?Im going with the Coaster!!!!

CPcyclone Wednesday, January 3, 2001 9:54 AM +0 while I like that CP brought snoopy to the park, I don't think they should have canned the berenstein Bears. They could have lived together in harmony...

ToddConstantine Wednesday, January 3, 2001 10:14 AM



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Disaster Transport is exactly that - a disaster of a ride. - KMAN

+0 Yeah, even though I do like Snoopy, I think they should have kept Berenstein Bears. They should have kept it where the Snoopy store is now.-------------Disaster Transport is exactly that - a disaster of a ride. - KMAN

Elroy Wednesday, January 3, 2001 10:47 AM +0 But with out Camp Snoopy, Cedar Point would not have the worlds tallest kiddy coaster.

Jeff Wednesday, January 3, 2001 4:44 PM Show a picture of the bears and Peanuts and ask him which one he knows.



Case closed.



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Jeff

Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com +0 Show a picture of the bears and Peanuts and ask him which one he knows.Case closed.-------------JeffWebmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com

Dustijn Hollon Wednesday, January 3, 2001 4:54 PM



Face it, you can market the Peanuts, Berenstein Bears are just pretty much a dud.



Oh and FYI it's CAMP SNOOPY and Berenstein Bear Country, not Berenstein Bear Land and Snoopy Land.



-----MAMBA-----

Better than SF

--------------- +0 Berenstein who?Face it, you can market the Peanuts, Berenstein Bears are just pretty much a dud.Oh and FYI it's CAMP SNOOPY and Berenstein Bear Country, not Berenstein Bear Land and Snoopy Land.-----MAMBA-----Better than SF---------------

T-Wolf Wednesday, January 3, 2001 5:42 PM

Even though the great Charles Schultz(MHRIP) Has has passed away the Peanuts gang are deffinately alot more identifiable than the Berenstein Bears.

Especially with the generation wich is growing up now. I mean when is the last time a bears special has been on TV its been awhile. And i am pretty sure we see the great pumpkin on every year.



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#1 Steel-Incredible Hulk

#1 Wood--Timber Wolf +0 My vote is for snoopy!!!!Even though the great Charles Schultz(MHRIP) Has has passed away the Peanuts gang are deffinately alot more identifiable than the Berenstein Bears.Especially with the generation wich is growing up now. I mean when is the last time a bears special has been on TV its been awhile. And i am pretty sure we see the great pumpkin on every year.-------------#1 Steel-Incredible Hulk#1 Wood--Timber Wolf

RandyHutchinson Wednesday, January 3, 2001 5:45 PM



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Randy Hutchinson

You build it, I'll ride it +0 While CP might have canned Bearenstein Bear Country Cedar Fair hasn't with a Beresnstein Bear Country in operation at Valleyfair! and a Camp Snoopy approximately 15 min away.-------------Randy HutchinsonYou build it, I'll ride it

Dustijn Hollon Thursday, January 4, 2001 10:27 AM

There are some main reasons why I believe this will happen...



#1 Smart Business move

a. own the exclusive rights to Peanuts in the USA

b. Peanuts are more recognizable than the bears

c. no more paying loyalties to the Berensteins for the bears usage in the parks



#2 Following in order

IMHO CF:LP is going in the order of importance of the parks. Notice how Dorney got it, then WOF, and who is left...oh yeah VF!



#3 Cause I said so :)



Dustijn



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2001 looks to be a scorcher

---------------------------- +0 Give it a year, I gurantee it.There are some main reasons why I believe this will happen...#1 Smart Business movea. own the exclusive rights to Peanuts in the USAb. Peanuts are more recognizable than the bearsc. no more paying loyalties to the Berensteins for the bears usage in the parks#2 Following in orderIMHO CF:LP is going in the order of importance of the parks. Notice how Dorney got it, then WOF, and who is left...oh yeah VF!#3 Cause I said so :)Dustijn---------WILDFIRE----------2001 looks to be a scorcher----------------------------

brattykid Friday, January 5, 2001 10:59 AM



I believe the only reason Valleyfair still has the Berenstein Bear Country is because we have Camp Snoopy 15 minutes away. I suppose they will sometime change it to make it more uniform among all their parks then...and since this is the area that Charles Schulz grew up in and where he started his cartoon, I'm assuming that it will happen sometime soon in order to "please" the masses of Peanuts lovers here.



Does anybody besides me remember when there wasn't a Berenstein Bear Country at Valleyfair? I can't remember what it was before but I know that it hasn't been the bears for the whole time.



Personally, while I like the bears, they definately don't have the same appeal as they did back in the 80's.

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Been there. Done that. Doin' it again. +0 Dustijn, in order of importance? Excuse me? :)I believe the only reason Valleyfair still has the Berenstein Bear Country is because we have Camp Snoopy 15 minutes away. I suppose they will sometime change it to make it more uniform among all their parks then...and since this is the area that Charles Schulz grew up in and where he started his cartoon, I'm assuming that it will happen sometime soon in order to "please" the masses of Peanuts lovers here.Does anybody besides me remember when there wasn't a Berenstein Bear Country at Valleyfair? I can't remember what it was before but I know that it hasn't been the bears for the whole time.Personally, while I like the bears, they definately don't have the same appeal as they did back in the 80's.-------------Been there. Done that. Doin' it again.

raptorfan00 Friday, January 5, 2001 3:31 PM +0 CAMP SNOOPY. Peanuts are the greatest comic charecters. Charlie Brown, Linus, Snoopy, etc... Berenstein bears are just a dud. They couldn't market any products besides a bear. They wouldn't make money. But with Peanuts they have all the charecters.

Dustijn Hollon Friday, January 5, 2001 3:59 PM

"Dustijn, in order of importance? Excuse me?"



I will back this up by pointing out this.



#1

It took 4 years before a major attraction was added at the park. 96-WildThing 00-Power Tower



*IMHO Mad Mouse really wasn't that major*



#2

Since 1996 VF! has received maybe 3 rides.

-Chaos, MadMouse, PowerTower



Compare that to the other parks and that is LOW



#3

It has the least amount of occupied space of all the parks (with the only exception being possibly KBF)



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Last of the smaller CF:LP parks to get an updated website. DP->WOF->VF



#5

ONLY CF:LP park not to bring home at least ONE Golden Ticket Award



and the list goes on...

I'm not saying that the park is bad, I'm just pointing out that the park isn't considered all that important. Honestly who is it's competition?

There is none. The people that go to the park are locals, I highly doubt people from outside the area make special trips there.



But that just MHO.

-D





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Scorching the Competition in 2001

--------------------------------- +0 brattykid said:"Dustijn, in order of importance? Excuse me?"I will back this up by pointing out this.#1It took 4 years before a major attraction was added at the park. 96-WildThing 00-Power Tower*IMHO Mad Mouse really wasn't that major*#2Since 1996 VF! has received maybe 3 rides.-Chaos, MadMouse, PowerTowerCompare that to the other parks and that is LOW#3It has the least amount of occupied space of all the parks (with the only exception being possibly KBF)#4Last of the smaller CF:LP parks to get an updated website. DP->WOF->VF#5ONLY CF:LP park not to bring home at least ONE Golden Ticket Awardand the list goes on...I'm not saying that the park is bad, I'm just pointing out that the park isn't considered all that important. Honestly who is it's competition?There is none. The people that go to the park are locals, I highly doubt people from outside the area make special trips there.But that just MHO.-D-----------WILDFIRE--------------Scorching the Competition in 2001---------------------------------

Andrew Friday, January 5, 2001 4:46 PM

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Ride with full FORCE +0 I say keep Berenstein Bear Land and Camp Snoopy. Camp Snoopy is the area in the back of the park when Berenstein Bears were in the front.-------------Ride with full

Dutchman Friday, January 5, 2001 7:14 PM +0 Hey, Jeff said it all. It's about product recognition,marketabilty,and merchandising, in other words, MONEY!

RandyHutchinson Friday, January 5, 2001 8:08 PM



There was a post saying that VF was the only CF operated park not receive a Golden Ticket award, while this post is not accurate, (camp snoopy at the MOA didn't receive one either and that's run by CF) it also doesn't have any real logic behind it. When Wild Thing was built it was one of the largest coasters in the world. Now, believe it or not, but I doubt that Cedar Fair officials know where and if their big investments are going to get a Golden Ticket award. I'm sure they want every ride they built to get some recognition, and I don't feel as if VF is purposefully getting duped.



Secondly, I don't think VF can expect a Camp Snoopy anytime soon with one being at the MOA (which is about 15 minutes away.) It doesn't make sense to spend investors money on duplicates of rides that are only 15 minutes away.



There is a good point made in the lack of new rides put in to VF in comparison to the other parks. There's a couple of good reasons for that, but if you note, it always seems as if they are all high quality rides.



I'm not trying to bad mouth anyone's opinions I just want to make sure no one is confused about VF. Its growing at a slower pace then Knott's or Dorney, but then again the population base is not as big.



If I were to speculate I'd say that VF has a great shot at getting a new coaster in 2002 or 2003, and I think the park will raise it attendance figures for next year due to the crappy weather we go this year.



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Joe E. Friday, January 5, 2001 9:11 PM +0 Who exactly did Cedar Fair Licensee Bernstein Bear's from anyway? I don't even see those Books in my store anymore so they probably paid the author and publisher in French Fries so they could have food to live.

Chitown Friday, January 5, 2001 9:20 PM



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"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL +0 I like the Peanuts characters, but I am sorry, that animation just doesnt fit an amusement park. Looney Tunes definitily does, and at SFGAm they opened up Camp Cartoon Network which means licensing for Johnny Bravo, Flintstones, Jetsons, Power Puff Girls, ect. Six Flags knows how to market the cartoons.-------------"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL

Dustijn Hollon Saturday, January 6, 2001 8:02 AM

"ONLY CF:LP park not to bring home at least ONE Golden Ticket Award"



CF:LP manages CS:MOA, it does not own it.

Therefore it is not a TRUE CF:LP park.



AND I think that even though it may not be "called" Camp Snoopy, there will defintely be Snoopy influence in the park and there will be an absence of some bears.



-D

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MAMBA FOR ME!



+0 Randy, the post stated"ONLY CF:LP park not to bring home at least ONE Golden Ticket Award"CF:LP manages CS:MOA, it does not own it.Therefore it is not a TRUE CF:LP park.AND I think that even though it may not be "called" Camp Snoopy, there will defintely be Snoopy influence in the park and there will be an absence of some bears.-D---------------MAMBA FOR ME!

2Hostyl Monday, January 8, 2001 5:06 AM

lata,

jeremy

-Yeah I watch the PPGirls...yawannamakesumpthinofit?!?!? +0 Yeah ChiTown. I'm just waiting for the triple racing/dueling kiddie steelies themed to Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup LOLlata,jeremy-Yeah I watch the PPGirls...yawannamakesumpthinofit?!?!?