Shaw Shakes Up Speeds, Offers Unlimited Tiers Will Push Speeds to 250 Mbps This Summer Last month we noted that Canadian cable operator Shaw the downstream speed of their Extreme tier from 15 Mbps to 25 Mbps, while giving the upstream speed a slight bump from 1 Mbps to 2.5 Mbps -- promising additional speed changes would be coming soon. Users in our Shaw forum direct our attention to the fact that Shaw has now unveiled their new speeds, caps and pricing, which an insider states will be going live on June 7. The important news is that it appears that Shaw has eased off of the caps slightly, and is giving users two different options for data.

Option one: users can stick to Shaw's existing speed tiers and pricing, but will immediately see considerably higher caps. Shaw Lite 1 Mbps customers will see their cap raised from 15GB a month to 30 GB a month, Shaw 7.5 Mbps standard customers will see their cap raised from 60 GB to 125 GB a month, and Shaw Extreme customers will see their cap raised from 150 GB to 250 GB a month. Option Two is more interesting, and shows that Shaw may have been listening to customer complaints after all. Starting in June Shaw will begin offering users 50 Mbps, 100 Mbps and even 250 Mbps tiers featuring much higher caps (see right). In July, Shaw will also start offering 250 Mbps down, 15 Mbps up tiers with caps as high as 1 TB. The company will also offer some unlimited tiers, albeit only at speeds of 1 Mbps or 250 Mbps. With this second option, users are bumped to the next highest price/speed tier should they go over their usage allotment. Says Shaw: quote: Customers who choose one of the new packages will enter into an automatic upgrade program. Those who go over their data consumption will be placed in the next higher package for the remainder of the month. The following month’s data will be reset and customers will return to their original package unless they choose to stay at the higher level. Some of Shaw's new choice is illusory. Most users will still probably find themselves sticking with Shaw's existing price structure due to lower cost, the ability to get standalone service, and the fact so few users really need a 50 Mbps connection. That means most Shaw customers will still have to deal with usage-based billing. The faster speeds, higher caps and unlimited use options also only appear available if you bundle traditional Shaw TV services, meaning that Shaw's still using UBB as a weapon against Internet video. Some of Shaw's new choice is illusory. Most users will still probably find themselves sticking with Shaw's existing price structure due to lower cost, the ability to get standalone service, and the fact so few users really need a 50 Mbps connection. That means most Shaw customers will still have to deal with usage-based billing. The faster speeds, higher caps and unlimited use options also only appear available if you bundle traditional Shaw TV services, meaning that Shaw's still using UBB as a weapon against Internet video. None of these faster speeds or unlimited consumption options appear available in standalone form. In short, Shaw's using the promise of higher speeds and no caps as a way to push users into bundling more services. That's something we've recently seen here in the States as well, with Washington Post owned CableOne recently offering higher caps only if you sign up for the triple play. Expect more ISPs to begin using higher caps to upsell bundles. Still, Shaw at least indicates they're trying to be a little more creative with pricing, and the caps on their existing tiers are starting to look more reasonable. The response by users in our Still, Shaw at least indicates they're trying to be a little more creative with pricing, and the caps on their existing tiers are starting to look more reasonable. The response by users in our forums is overall rather positive, though we'll keep an eye on how this pricing impacts consumers in practice. The move by Shaw comes as Canadian regulatory agency the CRTC preps for a hearing on usage-based billing this July.







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topics flat nest st7860

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San Francisco, CA st7860 Member big traffic limits sure the new plans have great traffic limits, very high.



but shaw throttles anything except normal downloads and uploads. camelot

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Whitby, ON camelot Member Re: big traffic limits The good news in this, is hopefully it will jump-start a Cap war. Telus was looking at reintroducing UBB. Now that Shaw is offering a better incentive maybe the others will follow suit.

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yes but traffic shaping is easily circumvented through VPN

dvd536

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: big traffic limits said by iFly55: yes but traffic shaping is easily circumvented through VPN

not if your provider throttles everything encrypted.

IH8shadyISP

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Shaw's action here appears to be a first strike against a pending review of CRTC's earlier decision where ISP force re-sellers under UBB (greased palms make government work for business). This move by Shaw is also an attempt to fend off legislation hinted at by parliament which could ban UBB altogether.



It's fairly hilarious observing the huge disparity between Shaw's old limits and Shaw's new limits on usage. IH8shadyISP IH8shadyISP to st7860

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Look at the "Unlimited Lite" and "Broadband 50" packages. Same pricing.



Shaw's 1Mbps "Unlimited Lite" package is a disingenuous offer considering that the maximum (download) of transferable data @1Mbps in a month is between 320-330GB. You're actually losing download/upload speed and and about 70-80GB of usage by selecting the lower "unlimited" tier. Shaw is no doubt marketing the lowest tier at those who fear overages, and they hope that your average gullible consumer won't be able to recognize this. MyDogHsFleas

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Austin, TX MyDogHsFleas Premium Member Dumb question What do the TV columns on the chart mean? i.e. what's Legacy TV vs. Personal TV (SPP)? atnozm

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Schenectady, NY atnozm Premium Member Re: Dumb question Legacy is the way they used to do tv service, with the basic cable, then you can add/remove the tiers 1,2,3.



SPP is a little more like satellite, where you start with a basic package and then add 'theme' packs.



It's kind of the same idea, but the tiers would have a little bit of everything in each tier, where the theme packs are geared specifically to certain things, like sports, news etc...



The idea behind it is to give customers more choice. jc10098

join:2002-04-10 jc10098 Member Internet at the cost of a car payment 84 dollars for 1mbit unlimited? 144 dollars for 100/5? Holy crap, Shaw certainly won't go broke offer unlimited to anyone. Can we say cash cow?

logicbomb1

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Vancouver, BC logicbomb1 Member Re: Internet at the cost of a car payment It should be noted that their current pricing for 50/100mbps internet standalone is $107 and $150 respectively. The new pricing will include TV and higher caps, and is priced at $84.90 and $94.90. The phase two pricing and speeds will be even better, so you may find it expensive, but its considerably better value than the current pricing.

jadebangle

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00000 jadebangle Premium Member my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw!

28 days

7.2TB

if doing up and down up to 14TB of data transfer a month

1TB for 250MBIT is just BS

I can easily hit 1TB in just 4 days on my 25mbit connection

shaw still sucks

i now understand taht speed alone is not good enough

im paying less then 84.00 a month and still get more speed

25 times faster for only 69.99 a month!28 days7.2TBif doing up and down up to 14TB of data transfer a month1TB for 250MBIT is just BSI can easily hit 1TB in just 4 days on my 25mbit connectionshaw still sucksi now understand taht speed alone is not good enoughim paying less then 84.00 a month and still get more speed25 times faster

logicbomb1

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Vancouver, BC logicbomb1 Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! well there is going to be unlimited and 250mbit as well. I'm sure you understand that your usage is amongst the minority of users, and as far as pricing is concerned, you're never going to see the pricing at the same scale. The US has 10x the population. Its a simple matter of economy of scale. Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06 Wilsdom Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! Only a minority of users needs anything above 5Mb/s. There is no point in 100Mb or 250Mb/s unless they are unlimited or have huge caps. The unlimited option doesn't look bad, however, though the upload is a joke.

Dicbdhdb

@mycingular.net Dicbdhdb Anon Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! Not quite true. More and more people need 12 mb or 20 mb but they may not need yet 50mb. It depends all on what households we talk about. 5 mb is decent but not great. A signle hd 720p stream may max out bandwith. iansltx

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15 Mbit is faster than I can get here with Comcast... sonicmerlin

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said by logicbomb1: well there is going to be unlimited and 250mbit as well. I'm sure you understand that your usage is amongst the minority of users, and as far as pricing is concerned, you're never going to see the pricing at the same scale. The US has 10x the population. Its a simple matter of economy of scale.

That doesn't even make sense. In France free.fr offers phone, TV, and FTTH for a triple play $40/month. Scale has nothing to do with this.

TheExodu5

@ccra-adrc.gc.ca TheExodu5 Anon Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! And France has a very dense population, therefore proving his point.

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Monticello, NY Xioden Premium Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! And there are 8 US states with with a higher population density than France (9 if you count Washington D.C.) There are 4 states with at least double the population density of France. None of them see anything even remotely close to what you can get in France.

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said by jadebangle: for only 69.99 a month!

28 days

7.2TB

if doing up and down up to 14TB of data transfer a month

1TB for 250MBIT is just BS

I can easily hit 1TB in just 4 days on my 25mbit connection

shaw still sucks

i now understand taht speed alone is not good enough

im paying less then 84.00 a month and still get more speed

25 times faster

Dude stop trolling your in the States.........and Stop being a bandwidth hog, or else pay for the $150 unlimited plan. sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! A bandwidth hog? Do you even know how bandwidth appropriation works?



He's on fiber, most likely GPON. That apportions 2.4 gbit/s of bandwidth for every 32 people. You can't "hog" bandwidth on FTTH.

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said by pkarlos_76: said by jadebangle: for only 69.99 a month!

28 days

7.2TB

if doing up and down up to 14TB of data transfer a month

1TB for 250MBIT is just BS

I can easily hit 1TB in just 4 days on my 25mbit connection

shaw still sucks

i now understand taht speed alone is not good enough

im paying less then 84.00 a month and still get more speed

25 times faster



Dude stop trolling your in the States.........and Stop being a bandwidth hog, or else pay for the $150 unlimited plan.

a bandwidth hog?

you want me to pay more?

u outta ur mind. all my speed tier is unlimited that why cost so much already.. the 50mbit is 192.00

the 25mbit 69.99

15mbit is 54.99

8mbit is 39.99

1mbit is 29.99

surewest doesnt need to compete with shaw

sw compete with itself.



Let me say it again or rephrase it

why may more when you can pay less?

why pay more then necessary for speed you only need?



bandwidth is unlimited



Your so call canadian isp have been lying to you since your birth

the network slow down if a lot of user are on it but it is unlimited

due to be fool to think they have limited bandwidth

it is marketing hype and only work on ignorant people or newbies

its a pipeline. No limits!!!

bandwidth is forever!

it not like water or gas or electrical that are abundance but limited.



it digital data 0 and 1

you dont understand technology and computer stuff

you are not a nerd.

the reason for caps is to make more money and make you use less bandwidth.

1mb

100mb

1gb

10gb

100gb

1TB

u dont understand bit and bytes then dont bother, you failed computer training courses. im not a dudea bandwidth hog?you want me to pay more?u outta ur mind. all my speed tier is unlimited that why cost so much already.. the 50mbit is 192.00the 25mbit 69.9915mbit is 54.998mbit is 39.991mbit is 29.99surewest doesnt need to compete with shawsw compete with itself.Let me say it again or rephrase itwhy may more when you can pay less?why pay more then necessary for speed you only need?bandwidth is unlimitedYour so call canadian isp have been lying to you since your birththe network slow down if a lot of user are on it but it is unlimiteddue to be fool to think they have limited bandwidthit is marketing hype and only work on ignorant people or newbiesits a pipeline. No limits!!!bandwidth is forever!it not like water or gas or electrical that are abundance but limited.it digital data 0 and 1you dont understand technology and computer stuffyou are not a nerd.the reason for caps is to make more money and make you use less bandwidth.1mb100mb1gb10gb100gb1TBu dont understand bit and bytes then dont bother, you failed computer training courses.

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But seeing as Surewest and Shaw service totally different areas - countries for that matter - it's kind of a moot comparison. It would be like my cousin coming in and saying, "Surewest sucks, in Japan I get 100Mbps. I pay less than $60USD and still get more speed. 4 times faster "



It's a step in the right direction for their users with, hopefully, more to follow. Cool story, bro.But seeing as Surewest and Shaw service totally different areas - countries for that matter - it's kind of a moot comparison. It would be like my cousin coming in and saying, "Surewest sucks, in Japan I get 100Mbps. I pay less than $60USD and still get more speed. 4 times fasterIt's a step in the right direction for their users with, hopefully, more to follow.

jadebangle

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00000 jadebangle Premium Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! said by DooD: Cool story, bro.

But seeing as Surewest and Shaw service totally different areas - countries for that matter - it's kind of a moot comparison. It would be like my cousin coming in and saying, "Surewest sucks, in Japan I get 100Mbps. I pay less than $60USD and still get more speed. 4 times faster "



It's a step in the right direction for their users with, hopefully, more to follow.



fyi usa and canada are next to each other

japan and usa is not.

you may as well compare china to japan. im a sis.fyi usa and canada are next to each otherjapan and usa is not.you may as well compare china to japan.

DooD

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O Fallon, MO DooD Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! I am quite aware that Canada and the U.S. share a border. The point (which was apparently lost on you) was that you're comparing two different companies, operating in two different countries, under two different socioeconomic and geopolitical conditions.



FYI, just because they are next to each other, doesn't mean they're the same. When comparing the U.S. and Canada, and the businesses that operate within them, proximity has nothing to do with regulations and the inter-workings of business practices and governmental politics, e.g., North Korea/South Korea, Cuba/United States, India/Pakistan, China/Japan, etc. hottboiinnc4

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FiOS? You don't have FiOS as that is a Verizon product and trademark. You have SureWest Internet.

Ultibeam

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Ultibeam Member Re: my 25/25 fios by surewest is unlimited! better then shaw! said by hottboiinnc4: FiOS? You don't have FiOS as that is a Verizon product and trademark. You have SureWest Internet.

Yeah I hate when people think FiOS is a common name for fiber optic service. It's a trademark of Verizon's fiber based services. MaynardKrebs

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member No tied selling There is ample precedent in the financial services world which prohibits tied selling.



The CRTC ought to lift a page from that book and require that all services purchased from incumbents must be offered a la carte, and at identical prices irrespective of whether you bundle or not.

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Vancouver, BC logicbomb1 Member Re: No tied selling I suppose there's merit to that, but considering the costs for a bundled service are actually lower than the previous rates for standalone, I can't see this being much of an issue. MaynardKrebs

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Re: No tied selling said by logicbomb1: I suppose there's merit to that, but considering the costs for a bundled service are actually lower than the previous rates for standalone, I can't see this being much of an issue.



The point is that you should not be REQUIRED to get cable TV service as a prerequisite to getting internet service.

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Astoria, NY pizz Premium Member It's about time Canadians get unlimited bandwidth! Maybe this will push other providers to get their acts together and follow suit. plus the cap isn't bad at all, giving users alot of bandwidth. bt

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canada bt Member Re: It's about time To be fair, there are some other regional incumbents that still have unlimited. It's all of the smaller ones though, like Eastlink and Sasktel.



What is notable here is that the caps are going UP, and not down like the trend has been in Canada.

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Problem is their main competition is telus and they have never enforced UBB or truly tried to implement such changes. Also shaw has to compete with Novus(fiber) in vancover and sasktel and wholesalers so them lowering limits before implementing UBB was doomed to fail.



Hopefully since telus can not compete with shaws speeds they will stay competitive with unlimited internet usage at their current speeds which are more then enough for most homes.

NoLuckChuck

@teksavvy.com NoLuckChuck Anon Re: It's about time Telus is history, the penetration rate for internet in Canada is high. Now that Shaw is taking all of Telus's subscribers they'll all enjoy Shaw television instead of having to deal with a joke on wheels company like Telus. The question that still exists is what took Shaw so long to finally wake up and is Rogers going to bury Bell or just keep on doing the same stupid thing? iansltx

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iansltx Member Better than Comcast $60 per month gets you 25/2.5 with a 250GB cap. Compare that to Comcast where the same price gets 12/2 with the same cap.



Also, the high-cap broadband packages may sound expensive, but let's compare with Comcast. Their 50/10 is $117 and 100/10 is $200. If you count in modem rental fees, Comcast's 50/10 comes out to more like $125. For the same price a few months from now you'll be able to get 250/15 with a 1TB cap. Or $145 for no cap. Both cost less than Comcast's 100/10 service. Plus you don't even need to ever sign up for the $145 tier...just let it bump you up from the $125 one when you transfer more than 1TB.



Is it expensive? No question about it, yes, particularly if you look at the unlimited 1M tier. But when you compare Shaw's new pricing to service across the CA-US border, they actually come out ahead. $85 including TV for 50/5 with a 400GB cap, or $95 for 100/10 with a 500GB cap is, again, better than what Comcast wants to offer without TV bundled in.

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00000 1 edit jadebangle Premium Member Re: Better than Comcast said by iansltx: $60 per month gets you 25/2.5 with a 250GB cap. Compare that to Comcast where the same price gets 12/2 with the same cap.



Also, the high-cap broadband packages may sound expensive, but let's compare with Comcast. Their 50/10 is $117 and 100/10 is $200. If you count in modem rental fees, Comcast's 50/10 comes out to more like $125. For the same price a few months from now you'll be able to get 250/15 with a 1TB cap. Or $145 for no cap. Both cost less than Comcast's 100/10 service. Plus you don't even need to ever sign up for the $145 tier...just let it bump you up from the $125 one when you transfer more than 1TB.



Is it expensive? No question about it, yes, particularly if you look at the unlimited 1M tier. But when you compare Shaw's new pricing to service across the CA-US border, they actually come out ahead. $85 including TV for 50/5 with a 400GB cap, or $95 for 100/10 with a 500GB cap is, again, better than what Comcast wants to offer without TV bundled in.



blast 20/4 for 29.99/39.99

you're wrong again. those are 6 month introductory price

well they have to make their money somewhere down the road

down the lane. who is gonna save you money forever?

you can't be too cheap becuz money is capitalism and profits

i assure you the more profits the better off a company...

You are forgetting DSL ATT 3mbit at 19.99 and 6mbit at 24.99

after a year its 35.00 and 40.00 a month respectively

the point is that.. you get what you pay for...

Money is limited but bandwidth is not. comcast has 15/3 for 19.99/29.99blast 20/4 for 29.99/39.99you're wrong again. those are 6 month introductory pricewell they have to make their money somewhere down the roaddown the lane. who is gonna save you money forever?you can't be too cheap becuz money is capitalism and profitsi assure you the more profits the better off a company...You are forgetting DSL ATT 3mbit at 19.99 and 6mbit at 24.99after a year its 35.00 and 40.00 a month respectivelythe point is that.. you get what you pay for...Money is limited but bandwidth is not. iansltx

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iansltx Member Re: Better than Comcast ???



I'm comparing off-promo rates to off-promo rates. Just because Comcast is giving me 20/2 for $19.99 (I have my own modem) right now doesn't mean that that's the rate I should use to compare Comcast with Shaw. The idea of ceteris paribus applies here. If you don't know what that means then look it up.

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Now CLICK! is a municipality cable company/electric/water owned by Tacoma Power. They have since doubled the download speeds since I last used them in 2005. They are a little behind the times but that is okay as they do not have caps Tell me does any cable company in the USA mainly that allows you to choose that? Plus the greatest thing is you do have to pay $10.00 extra for cable modem only (which they put a RF attenuator on the lines for TV and since it cannot block all the channels they charge $10.00 a month to recoup those costs of those channels. The RF suppressor can be removed but I would not suggest that. Unlike dirty AT&T they can actually trace that. Their system is so sensitive that one day Click rolled up and asked if I was on the CB radio. (Well I was before they rolled up to the door and knocked on it like a cop) They asked me if I was on the CB I said yeah I was and they said it was ingression in the system. Meaning I was sending RF down the cable lines. And all it was was a loose connection on the modem itself. Once the cable like was tight on there it had no more interference.



Now also unlike AT&T they do not suffer the crosshatch effect of FM Capture on channel 17-19 analog for VHF (2m+) and 54-56 analog (for 70cm). Whenever I talked on 2m I would knock those channels out with my rig on the lowest settings. Now before you say anything my system was grounded properly this is due to the splicing crap that AT&T does Click built their system with 2 way to start with in fact it was this company that states the simple truth: "The first cable company owned by a city that made Tacoma at the time the most wired city." They started this back in the 90s and they have since expanded to reach everywhere they service power and most of the "wires" used are made of glass yes they use a fiber optic system for their cable system. (so they do not have to pay pole rent) It in matter of factually broke the grip of @home/AT&T/Comcast. For one they did not have any slowdown (and AFAIK it is still the same) even at peak times. Unlike AT&T/COMCAST who throttle the speeds so everyone can share the bandwidth/or has a very crappy 2-way system.



Another thing, being the first fiber optic system deployment for a city; they have no slowdowns, no caps, and a choice of providers. I liked the fact that none of the channels got any interference on them even when I was pumping 50 watts out of my rig on 2m I did not interfere with those channels in the 2m range. Now Click offers as high as 15mbps and down of 2mbps up for $99.95 a month this includes 2 static IP address for your commercial business and they AFAIK do not block ports. Yes that is a little steep but considering no caps, no port blocking*, clean 2-way system and the choice of 3 isps I consider it to be one of the best cable providers out there. In addition, if you have any problems including your cable modem not working they (at least Advanced Stream did this) replace it. (Meaning they return it as defective to Motorola)



In closing, despite the fact that Shaw will offer speeds 16.66~ times the speed for the same price there, do they allow you to use P2P otherwise that is just a waste of money not that I condone illegal activities, but P2P can be used for legal activities, it does suck that they block the internet video unless you pay them more. And is everyone getting a good deal? Well, that depends on what you use it for. However, it is grossly unfair to charge people "unlimited" access and bock internet video unless you pay them some extortion (just kidding) money.



Who is the most unfair is Hughes Satellite, they throttle you big time plus their caps are smaller and if you abuse it they will kick you off permanently. I do know that Wild Blue in the US also slows you down. It is better than dial-up but DSL would be cheaper unless that is your only choice. And right now Hughes is using some of the stimulus money to get broadband everywhere.



I hope the heck someday I will get access to a Fiber Optic system that has no limits and great speed so I can have a low ping and be a sniper in my favy FPS games.



Here in Montana only in huge cities like Havre, Great Falls, Lewistown, etc have cable modems. I am lucky to maintain 5mbps here download without it booting me off for a second. I am not complaining just disappointed with the QoS being like that on my 7/1.5mbps ADSL connection.



Have a good day and thank you for reading.

David

*unless they did that recently there is no blocks of any sort. I had CLICK! in Tacoma, Washington. they are cheap, they have unlimited access and they have 15(20)/1 (which was truly 1.5MBPS up when I left and the number in the parentheses is MEGABurst. For an additional $5.00 a month it will give you 20 MBPS speeds for the first 5mb of any download. Meaning that you will have 2.41mbps for that short period of time which is perfect for most Youtube videos.) And unlike AT&T, CLICK! gives you a choice of 3 isps. Advanced Stream (my old and MISSED provider) » www.advancedstream.com/ has 2 sets of service, Residential or CommercialNow CLICK! is a municipality cable company/electric/water owned by Tacoma Power. They have since doubled the download speeds since I last used them in 2005. They are a little behind the times but that is okay asTell me does any cable company in the USA mainly that allows you to choose that? Plus the greatest thing is you do have to pay $10.00 extra for cable modem only (which they put a RF attenuator on the lines for TV and since it cannot block all the channels they charge $10.00 a month to recoup those costs of those channels. The RF suppressor can be removed but I would not suggest that. Unlike dirty AT&T they can actually trace that. Their system is so sensitive that one day Click rolled up and asked if I was on the CB radio.They asked me if I was on the CB I said yeah I was and they said it was ingression in the system.And all it was was a loose connection on the modem itself. Once the cable like was tight on there it had no more interference.Now also unlike AT&T they do not suffer the crosshatch effect of FM Capture on channel 17-19 analog for VHF (2m+) and 54-56 analog (for 70cm). Whenever I talked on 2m I would knock those channels out with my rig on the lowest settings.Click built their system with 2 way to start with in fact it was this company that states the simple truth: "The first cable company owned by a city that made Tacoma at the time the most wired city." They started this back in the 90s and they have since expanded to reach everywhere they service power and most of the "wires" used are made of glass yes they use a fiber optic system for their cable system. (so they do not have to pay pole rent) It in matter of factually broke the grip of @home/AT&T/Comcast. For one they did not have any slowdown (and AFAIK it is still the same) even at peak times. Unlike AT&T/COMCAST who throttle the speeds so everyone can share the bandwidth/or has a very crappy 2-way system.Another thing, being the first fiber optic system deployment for a city; they have no slowdowns, no caps, and a choice of providers. I liked the fact that none of the channels got any interference on them even when I was pumping 50 watts out of my rig on 2m I did not interfere with those channels in the 2m range. Now Click offers as high as 15mbps and down of 2mbps up for $99.95 a month this includes 2 static IP address for your commercial business and they AFAIK do not block ports. Yes that is a little steep but considering no caps, no port blocking*, clean 2-way system and the choice of 3 isps I consider it to be one of the best cable providers out there. In addition, if you have any problems including your cable modem not working they (at least Advanced Stream did this) replace it.In closing, despite the fact that Shaw will offer speeds 16.66~ times the speed for the same price there, do they allow you to use P2P otherwise that is just a waste of money not that I condone illegal activities, but P2P can be used for legal activities, it does suck that they block the internet video unless you pay them more. And is everyone getting a good deal? Well, that depends on what you use it for. However, it is grossly unfair to charge people "unlimited" access and bock internet video unless you pay them some extortionmoney.Who is the most unfair is Hughes Satellite, they throttle you big time plus their caps are smaller and if you abuse it they will kick you off permanently. I do know that Wild Blue in the US also slows you down. It is better than dial-up but DSL would be cheaper unless that is your only choice. And right now Hughes is using some of the stimulus money to get broadband everywhere.I hope the heck someday I will get access to a Fiber Optic system that has no limits and great speed so I can have a low ping and be a sniper in my favy FPS games.Here in Montana only in huge cities like Havre, Great Falls, Lewistown, etc have cable modems. I am lucky to maintain 5mbps here download without it booting me off for a second. I am not complaining just disappointed with the QoS being like that on my 7/1.5mbps ADSL connection.Have a good day and thank you for reading.David

logicbomb1

join:2011-01-19

Vancouver, BC logicbomb1 Member Re: Greedy telecoms (Cable/telephone/sat) Yes, Shaw allows P2P. I use it nearly 24hrs a day sharing free VSTs and stems for music production without any discernable degradation in speed. Over wireless using torrents I regularly see speeds over 2MB/s on a 25mbps connection. Furthermore, Shaw employs SpeedBoost to accelerate downloads on 7.5mbps connections to scale up to 25mbps, which is the same as MegaBurst.

MerinX

Crunching for Cures

Premium Member

join:2011-02-03 MerinX Premium Member Well some moves in the right direction These rates and tier bumps are an interesting way of enacting UBB.

I suppose it is better then bhell/rogers in the east however i would rather just purchase unlimited for my tier whatever it may be.

FFH5

Premium Member

join:2002-03-03

Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: Well some moves in the right direction said by MerinX: These rates and tier bumps are an interesting way of enacting UBB.

I suppose it is better then bhell/rogers in the east however i would rather just purchase unlimited for my tier whatever it may be.

It is more fair than a hard cap and very high per byte overage charges. The tire bump idea is very workable and fair option in my opinion. munky99999

Munky

join:2004-04-10

canada munky99999 Member Shaw competes with ftth So shaw competes with a FTTH roll out and suddenly they have unlimited tiers and speeds that the rest of canada doesnt even get offered.



Great thing competition if only other provinces had competition.



Wish I had the option of 25/25 at $65/month like FIOS.

Anon Ghost

@telus.net Anon Ghost Anon Re: Shaw competes with ftth What is "legacy" tv?

NoLuckChuck

@teksavvy.com NoLuckChuck to munky99999

Anon to munky99999

FTTH is at least 100 years in the future in Canada maybe longer. The penetration rate for FTTH is around .00001 percent and will likely stay that way for at least the next century. useless2764

join:2008-10-11

Barrie, ON useless2764 Member great.. if only I lived in a shaw area.. great, now if I could get the same unlimited internet with speeds like that in rogers territory, well lets see what happens this fall I guess

clicktacomal

@comcast.net clicktacomal Anon Click Tacoma has a cap too Click Tacoma has an AUP of capping residential use to 250 GB and business use to 300 GB. It does not look like they have upgraded to DOCSIS 3.0 which is able to handle a lot higher usage. I wouldn't be surprised once Comcast is fully upgraded that they will increase or remove their cap as well. Comcast runs Fancast through their Xfinity services which they will want to people to use in conjunction with their service. I suspect they have to continue having the caps until the upgrades are complete and in case a node had every subscriber trying to heavily seed P2P causing congestion problems. Hopefully AT&T, Frontier, Charter, Bell, and Rogers can see the light and stop overcharging their customers on extreme overage charges.

anon556

@shawcable.net anon556 Anon Crazy value Im sorry but 250mbps unlimited internet + 40 channels of cable for $150/month is pretty damn good. While higher upload is nice in the end few people really care. I am willing to bet 99% of you guys cap your max upload speed with torrents to less than 50% its capacity. higher upload is meaningless when people don't share. With that said, I'll take 250/15 unlimited over Verizons FIOS 50/20 anyday.



As for those complaining of throttling you must live in an extremely dense, oversold area because here in Vancouver I never see throttling at any time with torrents or newsgroups at any times of the day.



Even if you only bundle with the company for the internet portion you are looking at $0.57/mbps on the 250mbps plan, which is a ridiculous value.

k9snifferxx3

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Premium Member

join:2006-03-04

Calgary, AB k9snifferxx3 Premium Member It's all execution I have no doubt they are probably going to offer the plans... But If they can not keep with usage by either splitting nodes or some other way of dealing with usage. There network is going to turn into little more than very high priced dialup... Considering Shaw's history of how they deal with over loaded nodes and the deny, deny approach they use with customer who try and give them the information...



Looks good on paper but the proof is in the putting... I will wait well into the new plan deployment before I even consider moving. your comment..

