Indiana Jones said: I think the main problem with ALL MANUFACTURES is that cars are becoming too complicated. Having to deal with government regulations, comfort and convince that people want, packed into a dirty and hostel environment where most of the population neglects until something becomes serious do to cost, inconvenience, ignorance or all of the above and while trying to keep costs down and affordable. That is a disastrous formula for reliability. Click to expand...

Exactly.If we consider the latest JD Power (I think) survey, we see that even manufacturers such as Volkswagen and Volvo end up towards the bottom of the list.These are two manufacturers that I always assumed to have impeccable quality standards, so the results of this survey came as a shock to me.Aside from the car itself, our perceptions can often be marred by the service we receive at our dealers. When buying my Renegade, I walked out of two dealers because I was simply disgusted with the service - one didn't even want me to visit the dealership, insisting that I could place my order over the phone or by e-mail. This left me with a terrible impression.Eventually I settled for a dealer seventy miles from home, who was honest, friendly, and had all the time in the world for me. Only time will tell if this approach will continue once the car arrives.As others have said, cars do SO much now. The more it does/offers, the more there is to go wrong. I thought very hard about choosing a Limited, but ultimately chose a Longitude after deciding that although collision mitigation and lane departure warning are nice features, it's just more (costly) things to go wrong later.Only time will tell how things go for FCA and more specifically the Renegade, but we are starting from the basis of a bad reputation. This takes time to shake off. We also have to remember that we are far more motivated to share our bad experiences than we are to share when something has been great, so for every bad experience or fault with a Renegade, there are probably many more who are perfectly happy. In the meantime, I will remain optimistic and give them the benefit of the doubt, and hope that everyone who has encountered problems gets them sorted.