mike31US

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Orting, WA mike31US Member Ugh Nothing in WA. Are they just scared of Comcast in these parts or what?



NormanS

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NormanS MVM Re: Ugh said by mike31US: Nothing in WA. Are they just scared of Comcast in these parts or what? AT&T? They don't even provide wireline service in Washington.

Nemesis158

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Spokane, WA Nemesis158 Member Re: Ugh But they do have presence here, for cellular towers obviously. i live about a mile from an AT&T fiber optic line.....



NormanS

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NormanS MVM Re: Ugh said by Nemesis158: But they do have presence here, for cellular towers obviously. i live about a mile from an AT&T fiber optic line..... AT&T is not known for overbuilding incumbent telcos. You will see CenturyLink fiber in your neighborhood long before you will see AT&T fiber to your neighborhood/doorstep.



fg8578

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San Antonio, TX fg8578 Member Re: Ugh said by NormanS: AT&T is not known for overbuilding incumbent telcos. You will see CenturyLink fiber in your neighborhood long before you will see AT&T fiber to your neighborhood/doorstep.



That is pretty standard. It's just too expensive, which is the same reason you rarely see new entrants do it, either.



Of course that hasn't stopped google. I'm not aware of any telco (or cable co, for that matter) that overbuilds an incumbent.That is pretty standard. It's just too expensive, which is the same reason you rarely see new entrants do it, either.Of course that hasn't stopped google.



NormanS

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NormanS MVM Re: Ugh said by fg8578: I'm not aware of any telco (or cable co, for that matter) that overbuilds an incumbent. Never heard of WOW (Wide Open West)? Once upon a time, years before SBC bought them, AT&T (dba "AT&T Broadband Internet" (ATTBI)) overbuilt Comcast in San José, California.



fg8578

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San Antonio, TX fg8578 Member Re: Ugh said by NormanS: Never heard of WOW (Wide Open West)? Once upon a time, years before SBC bought them, AT&T (dba "AT&T Broadband Internet" (ATTBI)) overbuilt Comcast in San José, California. No I had not heard of WOW, so thanx for the info. So if they were able to do it, why don't others? google obviously can, has anyone else?

Merlin37

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Dallas, TX Merlin37 Member Let me show you my shock face Still waiting for that article on why Google won't release the number of customers they have in Kansas City after 2 years and why they still haven't released when they will finish the build in their first market. I'll hold my breath.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 1 edit 1 recommendation existenz Member Re: Let me show you my shock face At least Google is delivering a true Gbit to basically everyone in a busy fiberhood. ATT is supposedly sharing 2.5GB per area, Google is doing some kind of custom WDM-PON hybrid that allows nearly all to get a full Gbit. See my review to side. Am in a very busy fiberhood with many hirise residential buildings.



Sttill a good step for ATT if they are serious about heading that direction. However Google may also be media whoring too by announcing 34 potential cities - they need to deliver as well.



battleop

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Bullshit!! Don't you know that only EPB can deliver 1GB? They said they have the fastest Internet in the Nation so it's impossible for Google to do it too...



"At least Google is delivering a true Gbit "Bullshit!! Don't you know that only EPB can deliver 1GB? They said they have the fastest Internet in the Nation so it's impossible for Google to do it too...

TheMayor

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If that's the case, then why is this person getting around 940 Mbps down on a speed test? »www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· GBVgdEms



Blackspots

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Wichita Falls, TX Blackspots Member Re: Let me show you my shock face Correction, they were getting about 922Mbps DOWN and 947Mbps UP.

existenz

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»Concurrent Google Fiber Tests The most I've seen is close to 950 with concurrent tests and with many other users in fiberhood. Not bad for $70/month.

tmc8080

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If they utilized 10GigE equipment you might see speeds above 1 gigabit finally, but the equipment cost some $$. I'd take 900's over 50 anytime (for $15 more a month)

existenz

join:2014-02-12 1 edit existenz Member Re: Let me show you my shock face Would think the 10Gb Google is looking into deploying would be for boosting fiberhood backend capacity to help sustain all users at near 1Gbit.



Edit: But would be huge if they offer it to end users cheaply eventually, even if just for just biz class service, which they are now piloting in KC.

tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member Re: Let me show you my shock face Google seems to like the 1:1 (or close as possible) peering model to the client home. This is OK, but it likely means you will never hit that 100%+ mark with the bandwidth (no "fluff overprovisioning) .. since most speeds with regular isps are way below 1 gigabit, the gigabit Ethernet & routers are plenty sufficient, but when you hit the LIMIT of the throughput, you lose some in overhead packets the closer you get. You need 10GIG/Ethernet to fully support 1 gigabit connections (this is why you see 940/950 as speed tests even if it's locally routed).

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few customers in metro NY who would kill to have that "gigabit" speeds even if it came a few % under due to the equipment overhead at $70 a month.



10GigE equipment needs to be made cheaper for it to be adopted by residential customers. Google needs to put pressure on these MFG's to make the equipment affordable and more user friendly. Until recently, routers that supported gigabit were of the TECHY "MANAGED SWITCHES" w/o wifi variety which did NOT have the kind of routing BIOS and home networking requirements of today's routers since they were designed to meet only the basic needs of enterprise customers. You can basically say the same for much of today's 10GigE equipment. That needs to change if google wants to move beyond 1 gigabit to the customer premise.



battleop

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Exactly. One of EPB's many misleading bullshit advertising campaigns makes the claim they have the fastest internet in the nation. Many of their sales guys honestly believe their 1gb is faster than anyone else's 1gb.

biochemistry

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Why the hate for EPB? They don't cherry pick. They wired up people in the boondocks.



battleop

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00000 battleop Member Re: Let me show you my shock face The hate is on their complete bullshit marketing campaigns. To this day they claim you can download a full length movie in just 12 seconds but they refuse to tell you where. They claim only they employ locals. They make claims as if only they offer 24/7 support.



They claim that they are 100% fiber and no one else is. I get fiber handoffs from 3 carriers. EPB only hands off via copper. Some of their sales people claim they were the first ISP in the country to offer 1gb. Never mind that Level 3 has 10gb customers and faster.

Zoder

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Not as long as I've been waiting for AT&T to stop obfuscating on their u-verse internet numbers. I'd like to be able to view the success of the product each quarter but it's impossible to do that accurately with the numbers provided.



How many customers in each tier?

How many quarterly additions are new AT&T customers?

How many tier upgrades did they have in the quarter and how many downgrades?

How many u-verse additions in the quarter are in branding only and not real additions? By that I mean areas where T changed to IP-dslam and forced the customer to switch to the u-verse brand but the customer is keeping the same old dsl speeds.

mikesm559

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So how come AT&T also said their Capex plan for 2014 was unchanged? These markets are 20M households? How do you build there if you don't allocate any new capex?



fg8578

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San Antonio, TX fg8578 Member Re: Let me show you my shock face said by mikesm559: So how come AT&T also said their Capex plan for 2014 was unchanged? These markets are 20M households? How do you build there if you don't allocate any new capex? Maybe they had already planned (and budgeted for) fiber buildouts in those areas, but hadn't announced them yet. This announcement simply reveals what was already planned. Not that I really believe that, but it's one explanation for why no new capex . . .



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O Fallon, MO nunya MVM Not so sure... While I'll be the first to agree that AT&T's PR department tends to "over-exaggerate" stories in AT&T's favor (that's putting it mildly), there is something in the works.

AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale.

What the "something" is - is beyond me.



Mizzat

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Atlanta, GA Mizzat Premium Member Re: Not so sure...



The context included: The planned expanded availability of U-verse with GigaPower is part of AT&Ts Project Velocity IP (VIP) investment plan to expand and enhance its wireless and wireline IP broadband networks to support growing customer demand for high-speed Internet access, advanced TV services, and new mobile and cloud services. This expanded fiber build is not expected to impact AT&Ts capital investment plans for 2014 Could be, and Karl chose to cherry pick the sentence of no cap ex expentidure like AT&T cherry picks the metro areas.The context included:Project VIP slated $6 billion to wireline improvements. Is that enough to upgrade? I'm not sure, but the way it reads is this money was already earmarked in the Project VIP plans and isn't coming out additional CapEx funding.



Karl Bode

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join:2000-03-02 1 edit Karl Bode News Guy Re: Not so sure... That $ six billion includes all wireline improvements across the entire networks, most of it going toward bumping users to 45 Mbps and a few "new" U-Verse builds (Indianapolis, San Francisco) planned previously that were put on hiatus because of one problem or another (usually bickering over cabinet placement). Subtract that, and I'm not sure how anyone believes a significant 1 Gbps FTTH deployment (two cities, much less 100) can actually be accomplished on peanuts.



I have no doubt some MDUs and developments will see 1 Gbps, but we're talking a very, very minor portion of AT&T's overall footprint here.



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Atlanta, GA Mizzat Premium Member Re: Not so sure... I wouldn't call 6 billion peanuts, but I do agree that it probably can't upgrade all 100 Metros to 1GB, but as you pointed out, they are simply doing the same marketing as Google to help veil metro cherry picking.



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ieolus Member Re: Not so sure... Reading comprehension fail...



"Subtract that, ..." (the $6 billion) ..."and I'm not sure how anyone believes a significant 1 Gbps FTTH deployment (two cities, much less 100) can actually be accomplished on peanuts."



So Karl is not claiming $6 billion peanuts. He is calling everything left over after most of the $6 billion allocated across the entire network peanuts.



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Atlanta, GA Mizzat Premium Member Re: Not so sure... Is the meaning of your post just to insult and provide no meaningful information?



ieolus

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Danbury, CT ieolus Member Re: Not so sure... No, it was to explain how you misinterpreted what Karl wrote. Are you insulted by that?

iansltx

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$6 billion, at $1000 per home passed, would get you 6 million homes passed with FTTH. And that's assuming AT&T is cherry-picking those six million for low install costs.



What's more likely? A few billion of that goes to upgrading VDSL speeds, and a few billion goes to greenfield builds of FTTH (including GigaPower) in developments that AT&T would've deployed FTTH to anyway. And transitioning as many DSL users as possible to IP-DSLAM ADSL2+ or VDSL.



Keep in mind that Verizon spent several times $6 billion to get FTTH to its current FiOS footprint, which is sizable but certainly not nationwide. AT&T has the advantage of being several years down the road vs. where Verizon was in terms of cost of equipment, but they still can't do anything terribly awesome with that amount of money. You'd have to spend 4x that to have a significant amount of FTTH in each of the 100 cities.



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That Is Peanuts Actually. The Project In Kansas City Cost That Much. That Is Just 1 Metro Area. I Did Google Fiber, Spent Lots Of time In The Ervin Offices, Heard Lots Of Numbers Thrown Around.



Mizzat

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Atlanta, GA Mizzat Premium Member Re: Not so sure... said by Bradmw : That Is Peanuts Actually. The Project In Kansas City Cost That Much. That Is Just 1 Metro Area. I Did Google Fiber, Spent Lots Of time In The Ervin Offices, Heard Lots Of Numbers Thrown Around. However, Google is a company that had no assets in the ground already. But if you were boots on the ground, I'm highly skeptical of you knowing the full costs of the project. As I said, I doubt $6B could cover all those metros.



LightSpan

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. The majority of the fiber will go to big companies for transport of data. Thats where the money is at. Some will go to (GPON ) fiber to the house. at&t wants to get rid of sonet network (oc192 and down to ds1 and DSO) They want and all IP network. Granted they would still have to migrate all DSO ground start loop start e911 trunks for 911 call centers. Most counties don't have the funds to upgrade phone systems to accept voip , so the 5ess switch would stay for awhile



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said by nunya: While I'll be the first to agree that AT&T's PR department tends to "over-exaggerate" stories in AT&T's favor (that's putting it mildly), there is something in the works.

AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale.

What the "something" is - is beyond me. You noticed that too, I have been watching internal job sites and they are putting up some and filling others on a daily basis. I have some feelers out there already for my career.



WHT

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said by nunya: AT&T just recently started doing a lot of hiring on the network side (OSP Construction and Engineering). The amount of job openings tells me they are definitely up to something, and it's not small scale. It's "fiber-to-the-business" and "anchor institutions". I've been working with them to get feeds from local buildings.



jtackett

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Atlanta, GA 1 recommendation jtackett Member Already confirmed it won't be happening in my hood Live in East Point just south of Atlanta but north of the airport. Wrote letter to President of AT&T regarding UVerse and that 3m DSL was all that was offered. Was told by the Office of the President that, "There are no plans to expand UVerse into my neighborhood."



So it's either stick with 3m or go to Comcast. Sigh



We are one of the communities that Google Fiber is looking to expand to but if and when that happens is still a ways off.

CJ777

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Los Angeles, CA CJ777 Member Yeah right... AT&T is full of shit. Even here in LA, they stopped UVerse build out years ago. 2 streets over they have UVerse and where I am, there is a big coil of their cable hanging off a pole and has been that way for a long time.



Red Hazard

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Red Hazard Premium Member Another Project Pronto This reminds me of AT&T's Project Pronto initiative where they were going to deploy DSLAMS in Remote Terminals and provide various flavors of DSL to nearly everyone that was too far from the Central Office. Project Pronto quickly became Project Lento which in-turn quickly became Project Niente.



Rambo76098

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Columbus, OH Rambo76098 Member Press Release Trolling at its Finest



AT&T using fake PR for attention. Nothing new here folks, move along. They're just making up stuff to get media attention and buzz around them instead of Google Fiber. They've seen the positive buzz around Google Fiber and want in on that.AT&T using fake PR for attention. Nothing new here folks, move along.



why60loss

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join:2012-09-20 why60loss Premium Member Re: Press Release Trolling at its Finest How are they trolling?



They beat google to TX and seem like they like the numbers of doing a FTTH deployment from what I read.



It's better than TWC maxx that has fallen behind and no one knows when anyone is going to have it or when folks can sign up.

BoMarty

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Ballwin, MO BoMarty Member Re: Press Release Trolling at its Finest [HSI] OMG! AT&T GIGAPOWER coming to Charter Markets ! 1 gigabit/sec



Not a bluff. Channel 4 news at 5PM today had AT&T Official announce GIGAPOWER coming to ST LOUIS Not a bluff. Channel 4 news at 5PM today had AT&T Official announce GIGAPOWER coming to ST LOUIS

innoman

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Seattle, WA innoman Premium Member They brought the power tier to Dallas, TX But no one I know, including myself, can get it. So dumb.

davidhoffman

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Warner Robins, GA davidhoffman Premium Member AT&T Gigabit Expansion Press Release. Many of us who are AT&T customers would be happy to see AT&T upgrade its ADSL networks to the full capability of the ADSL2+ standard.

WhatNow

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Charlotte, NC WhatNow Premium Member Existing FTTH I don't know how it is configured but it would seem to be easy to upgrade the end equipment on all the FTTH that is already in place. Many of the sub-developments in BellSouth area built in the last 10 to 15 years were FTTH.



Also Google may be playing the same game. They never said they would do all 23 cities nor did they say they would not do them all. What they said was they would help the cities get fiber. If AT&T does some of the cities Google can take credit for getting the city high speed FTTH. They deserve the credit whether they do the work or not.



I think it is stupid that the actors don't get together and place one fiber to as many premises as possible and then let anybody connect to the fiber. It would be a waste of money for AT&T, the cable company and Google to place fiber to the same house in the same city.



w0g

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Springfield, OR w0g Member Nice insight Karl... Now if only AT&T would just go out of business so someone else could take over their turf and do a better job.



:/

n4bkn

join:2003-12-11

Memphis, TN n4bkn Member Re: Nice insight Karl... It has started, with the sale of SNET (AT&T East) to Frontier.



Jon Geb

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Howell, MI Jon Geb Member Re: Nice insight Karl... They must have an instant profit margin on this deal, the days of copper are almost over, so this must be a quick profit scheme.

milkman82

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Cleveland, OH milkman82 Member You know.. It's sad! You see commercials from the 60's to the early 90's of a company that once.. was so innovative and happy develop a new age of technology.. Now become nothing more than a de-innovatrive money hungry conglomerate.. I used to be a proud AT&T DSL customer.. Now I can't run from them fast enough!



I really miss the days of 28.8K to 56K to 768K with the old Scifi channel that used to host the Cnet programs and Anime Saturday.... and a solo station Techtv with technology announcements to get excited about.. Now all you hear about is lawsuits in technology world, companies being folded, companies being sold, followed by major flaws in security... and worries of Identity theft.. Truly sings, that something has turned for the worse..

openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Shame, shame said by Karl Bode: In fact, AT&T's been reducing their fixed-line CAPEX each year. said by AT&T FY13 Report : Virtually all of our capital expenditures are spent on our wireless and wireline networks, our U-verse services and support systems for our communications services. Capital expenditures, excluding interest during construction, increased $1,479 from 2012. Our Wireless segment represented 52% of our total spending and increased 3% in 2013. The Wireline segment, which includes U-verse services, represented 48% of the total capital expenditures and increased 13% in 2013, primarily reflecting our implementation of Project VIP. Karl, AT&T's financials suggest otherwise.

ncwred

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Austin, TX ncwred Member Comcast/TWC may force AT&T's hand I'm not as pessimistic as Karl. Not out of any faith in AT&T, but that the the roll out of 200Mbit+ tiers in addition to the increasing threat of Google Fiber will force their hand to expand.



U-Verse xDSL flat out cannot keep up with higher level DOCSIS 3.0 nor DOCSIS 3.1 eventually.



Still look for lots of cherry-picking along the way however.

delayman

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delayman Member Anyone know about Sifi Networks' FTTH?



»www.lightwaveonline.com/ ··· -ca.html



To me it has a lot of a "something for nothing" feel to it. Are there other small projects like this that get implemented successfully that we just don't hear too much about? Or is this another "fiber to the press release"? A friend told me about a recently announced deal" from Sifi Networks for his tiny town:To me it has a lot of a "something for nothing" feel to it. Are there other small projects like this that get implemented successfully that we just don't hear too much about? Or is this another "fiber to the press release"?



Aoxxt

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Dearborn, MI Aoxxt Member And all this after we have paid them to do it...



According to the incentive plans these high speed internet connections should already be installed and functioning for pretty much every American at speeds averaging 45 Mbps upload and download. Every American taxpayer, that is not a provider of internet infrastructure, has taken on the burden of $2000.00 more in taxes in order to offset the incentives gives to AT&T and the baby bells.



Do you have your low cost, high speed fiber yet? AT&T has already been given Billions of dollars in tax incentives [techdirt.com] to deliver fiber optic cable based internet to your house.According to the incentive plans these high speed internet connections should already be installed and functioning for pretty much every American at speeds averaging 45 Mbps upload and download. Every American taxpayer, that is not a provider of internet infrastructure, has taken on the burden of $2000.00 more in taxes in order to offset the incentives gives to AT&T and the baby bells.Do you have your low cost, high speed fiber yet?

CmmTch

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High Ridge, MO CmmTch Member How does Karl know anything about what will actually happen? Karl knows nothing about what will actually happen, all he knows is he has a big hate for ATT and will himself publish half truths and rumors as long as they fit his opinion.



Pretty much anything he says is an opinion, it may be shared by others or not, but it is nothing more than one mans opinion, nothing more, nothing less.



We will know when it happens what it will be.