Dennis Rodman is one of the world’s most recognizable figures but what sometimes gets lost when it comes to discussing Rodman and his legacy is his brilliant basketball mind. Becoming the greatest rebounder of all-time isn’t simply the product of ability and Rodman often guarded the best offensive players of the other teams, keying in on tendencies in order to try and slow them down. And perhaps it shouldn’t be surprised that he has a detailed and nuanced view of the differences between LeBron James and Michael Jordan.

During an interview with Business Insider’s Scott Davis on the occasion of the new ESPN documentary about him airing on Tuesday, he gave a great take on the GOAT discussion by saying LeBron is a combination of Jordan and his Bulls running mate Scottie Pippen.

LeBron is not a Michael Jordan type. LeBron’s a different type of player. I think LeBron’s between Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen put together, you know? I think LeBron is more like brute strength, stuff like that. And Michael Jordan’s more like a racing car. Dancing with the ball, literally dancing with the ball. So smooth, so at ease. … So, I think that LeBron has all the great skills, great athlete, probably one of the top five players that ever played a game. But you know, Michael — Michael was different. Michael was different.

The difference between Jordan dancing with the ball and LeBron’s more brute force is a great way to differentiate the stylistic differences between both players. It’s also clear that Rodman believes Jordan stands alone as the GOAT, but at least his reasons for it go beyond the rings or statistical debates that Jordan or LeBron partisans often go to.