During a recent trip to the Bay Area, Ed got a ride in a Zoox development vehicle and came away surprisingly impressed with its autonomous driving capabilities in a tough domain. Immediately following the ride he recorded a conversation with Zoox CTO Jesse Levinson about the challenges of developing an AV in San Francisco, the technology that enables his stack's impressive performance and his improvisational piano skills. Alex and Kirsten also grill Ed about his Zoox ride and the gang discusses the challenges Zoox faces despite all its technical prowess.