silbaco

Premium Member

join:2009-08-03

USA silbaco Premium Member Double Up How fortunate for those who have FiOS. Too bad this leaves out the majority of the nation.



Eagles1221

join:2009-04-29

Vincentown, NJ 1 recommendation Eagles1221 Member Re: Double Up Needs triple play - its more of a "here take the crummy land line no one wants" and we'll give you money off the cell

eco

Premium Member

join:2001-11-28

Wilmington, DE eco Premium Member Re: Double Up I just signed up for FiOS a month ago and got the triple play because it didn't change the price at all to not get the land line. We don't even have any phones in the house hooked up to it.



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11

Cherry Hill, NJ ·Verizon FiOS

(Software) pfSense

Asus RT-AC68

Asus RT-AC66

MovieLover76 Member Re: Double Up Yea, Verizon pretty much forces you to take the phone line, with my setup it would cost $5 more a month to get the phone, try to figure out that math lol.



I do have a phone hooked up to place work conference calls on, with all incoming calls blocked. but I surely don't need it.

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Double Up They do it to boost sub numbers up and integrate stuff into their other services. Comcast charges about $20 for the phone, which ends up being an 80% profit margin... Pretty good for something that's so cheap and takes so little network capacity to provide...

BiggA BiggA to Eagles1221

Premium Member to Eagles1221

Yeah, pretty much.



mack1951

Universal Soldier

join:2000-04-18

Bayonne, NJ mack1951 Member For existing customers too! Just went and signed up and said I would get the discount within 1 or 2 billing cycles and it would last for at least 24 months.



Sixto

Premium Member

join:2005-09-16

Northeast Sixto Premium Member Re: For existing customers too! Just tried. If you already have One Bill, you need to de-enroll in One Bill to get separate bills, and then sign up for this. Weird. I like the one bill.



mack1951

Universal Soldier

join:2000-04-18

Bayonne, NJ mack1951 Member Re: For existing customers too! I have one bill and it did not make me de-enroll and get separate bills. I put in my home number and wireless number and got a confirmation email.

skohly

join:2009-08-19

Township Of Washington, NJ skohly Member Re: For existing customers too! I get a corporate discount on my wireless. Will I still be able to use it?



QuaffAPint

A Big Thanks To The Troops

join:2001-01-10

Downingtown, PA QuaffAPint to Sixto

Member to Sixto

said by Sixto: Just tried. If you already have One Bill, you need to de-enroll in One Bill to get separate bills, and then sign up for this. Weird. I like the one bill. Same here - Told me I had to remove One Bill first. I like the single bill/payment, as well.



tshirt

Premium Member

join:2004-07-11

Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member do you get more discounts with additional cellphones? or is one per house enough/the limit?



how much does the landline in the triple play cost?

seems this would work for multi user homes, but maybe less so for singles, even multiple roommates each with their own cell account (no landline needed)



cableties

Premium Member

join:2005-01-27 cableties Premium Member Bummer...

Not much love. I see what you did there... ... seems everyone's FiOS rates went up as of 1/2014.Not much love. I see what you did there...



Mike

Mod

join:2000-09-17

Pittsburgh, PA ·Verizon FiOS

Mike Mod Nice security Is this a joke?



All you need are two phone numbers and it applies to them. No login wall, no confirmation.



You can sign anyone up for it if you know a home phone number and a cell number.



I literally just did that to my mom and a burner gmail account.



fkljsd

@verizon.net fkljsd Anon Renew FiOS to get $20 "One-Bill"-like credit? Called the phone number in the FAQ regarding being an existing One-Bill customer, the agent told me that I had to renew my FiOS contract for another 2 years in order to get this discount.



Also told that once I de-enroll from One-Bill I can not re-enroll for any reason. Apparently Verizon is discontinuing One-Bill.



I declined to go any further since I wanted to research my renewal options first.



Anybody else told the same things?

willie321

join:2005-11-12

Fort Washington, PA willie321 Member Re: Renew FiOS to get $20 "One-Bill"-like credit? said by fkljsd : Also told that once I de-enroll from One-Bill Yep, I was told the same thing after talking to two CSR's. The first sent me over to V Wireless who had no clue what I was talking about, so it was call back and hope for someone else



DaveDude

No Fear

join:1999-09-01

New Jersey DaveDude Member except no one can get fios except no one can get fios .....

BosstonesOwn

join:2002-12-15

Wakefield, MA BosstonesOwn Member Re: except no one can get fios I have it.

horseshoe

Premium Member

join:2006-10-11

Upland, CA horseshoe to DaveDude

Premium Member to DaveDude

FiOS is so great, it's only available in select areas.



sivran

Vive Vivaldi

Premium Member

join:2003-09-15

Irving, TX sivran Premium Member Sounds like a terrible deal to me Doesn't sound like that good a deal to me, since you have to get a triple play to get it.



cork1958

Cork

Premium Member

join:2000-02-26 cork1958 Premium Member Re: Sounds like a terrible deal to me Yes,

Anything that ties having to have a land line totally nullifies any "deal" this might have been.



The days of land lines is just about over for anyone that has HSI and knows anything about VOIP!



AnonO

@comcast.net AnonO Anon Bah I think a law or something should be passed based on some sort of discrimination hah.



What if I am a VZ wireless customer, how come I can't be elg for $20 off? It's not in my control they don't svc my area with fios for me to be able to have it.



Some type of bundle fair act should be passed that any discounts offered must be offered to users in areas that make it impossible to qualify and only those in qualified areas are required to meet the requirements to get or no one at all.



If we had true competition this wouldn't be an issue but because in the states all the big companies won't step on each other that way they can charge 3-5x more and have less to manage we get screwed.

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: Bah The worst is that FIOS and the cable companies charge an absurd price for internet-only, which is anti-competitive to satellite companies.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA 1 recommendation elray Member Re: Bah What's absurd is claiming that Verizon or Cable has to charge less in order for satellite to "compete".

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Bah That's not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that they should not be allowed to bundle, as it is anti-competitive. You'd think that such a practice would have caught the attention of the US DOJ. I suppose it would also apply to cord cutting and OTA, but since that's not directly comparable, I only have an issue with it from the perspective of DirecTV or DISH network. U-Verse and FIOS have their own bundled internet options. U-Verse is the only decent ISP that is widespread that doesn't act in an anti-competitive manner when it comes to bundling. They may have a small bundling discount, but the unbundled price is reasonable enough that it doesn't unfairly discriminate against DirecTV and DISH customers.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: Bah That is what you said, whether you realize, recognize or acknowledge it.



Satellite *does* compete with Cable and Telco, and in fact, they do so, quite successfully, in every MSA in the country, free from the costly capex overhead of wiring every household, whether they subscribe or not, and free of burdensome local and state regulation.



And yet, you're now asking the state to proscribe the wired carriers from competing - by offering volume discounts - a practice in virtually every marketplace in the world, that reflects the economics of scale achieved once a household is wired with a multi-function pipe.



Instead, you're demanding price-fixing, by government decree. The wired carrier must now, in order to allow satellite to compete, must itself, to compete - and retain market share, lower standalone broadband pricing such that the combined price with other service offerings is still attractive.



If satellite is having a hard time - then it is incumbent on them to invest in technology and plant and partnerships that allow them to offer similar bundle options, not the locals to be regulated into submission to prop them up. We've seen Dish pursue this several times - and we regularly see ISPs bundle with satellite.



I am not a fan of forced-bundling, wherein customers have no choice but to buy multiple services, like Google Fiber, Sonic Fusion, Verizon DSL and AT&T-ASI DSL requires, or in the form of channel tiers all pay-tv providers are forced to force upon their customers, the result of content licensing.



But Fios, U-Verse, and the major cable company offerings do not so limit the customer; all offer standalone options in addition to volume discounts through bundling. Your proposal - forced un-bundling, would deny customers that choice, and necessarily require the wired provider to lower their standalone broadband price.



While I'm sure no one here will complain at the concept, the restrictions you suggest are not only anti-competitive, they're dangerous - government price supports for satellite firms. Haven't we had enough of that in all industries?

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Bah The key here is that the wireline carriers are monopolies or duopolies, and they have little or no competition for internet connectivity. The phone and TV portions all have competition, from cellular/voip, and satellite, respectively, but the internet has little competition. Thus, their bundling practice is anti-competitive, and should be illegal. The US DOJ should investigate their bundling practices.



I'm not saying that the prices should be fixed or regulated (maybe they should, but that's not what I'm debating here), I'm just saying that the providers should be barred from bundling, so that they could not engage in anti-competitive practices. They would also have to be barred from bundling TV, and that would be an easy way around the rules- just add $20 to the price of the internet, and subtract it from the TV portion when bundled with internet.



The ISPs only bundle with satellite when they don't have a video option. AT&T won't bundle U-Verse with DirecTV (although they are the one major ISP that doesn't engage in anti-competitive bundling practices), Verizon won't bundle FIOS with DirecTV. They will only bundle their super slow DSL, which is outdated at this point. In most places, the only decent internet is from the cable companies.



What is dangerous is allowing Comcast to effectively put DirecTV at an arbitrary, anti-competitive $15/mo disadvantage by charging the de-bundling fee. This makes it more difficult for DirecTV to compete. Comcast is a monopoly in many areas, and as such, should be subject to tough regulations.



Making the "free market" argument is complete BS, as Comcast does't operate in a free market. They operate as a monopoly that is engaging in behavior that clearly should be illegal. So is Verizon FIOS to a certain extent, although they aren't a monopoly since their territory already has an incumbent cable provider (often Comcast or TWC).



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 1 edit ITALIAN926 to BiggA

Member to BiggA

Are you friggen kidding me? The Satellite companies have Satellite internet, and probably bundle it themselves to some extent. Let them improve that product and bundle it further.



In addition, Dish and DTV dont have to apply for video franchise agreements, making their product cheaper for the customer. Now theyre square.



Why not lobby for regulations that will force the MSO's to inject "rain/snow" interference into their video transmissions in order to LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. lmao.

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Bah The concept that satellite internet can compete with land-based internet is patently absurd. The physical latency limitations kill it before you even get into the whole bandwidth issue.



DISH and DTV have other costs, like dish installation and multi billion dollar satellites that the MSOs don't.



Your last statement, aside from being absurd from the get-go is also highly inaccurate. The fact is that satellite is more reliable than cable for video service.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: Bah Satellite is more reliable? How so? Show me some data to back that claim, because on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I used to lose video during heavy rains, and I had to sweep off my dish after every snowstorm!



My point was that satellite does in fact provide internet, and they also in fact BUNDLE it, which statuses your grievance as silly.



Do you really want to compare infrastrusture here? Satellites? Vs 100 million miles of Fiber? Who cares bud. The MSO's bundle, deal with it.

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Bah Cable goes out all the time. DirecTV never does. If you lose signal during rain, then your dish isn't aligned or supported properly. A good install will work during a 100 mph hurricane with heavy driving rain. The official claim is 50mph operational, 100mph survivable, but I know from a guy at work that their service works at much higher winds, with heavy rain.



Satellite internet DOES NOT in ANY WAY compete with cable or DSL. It's for people who can't get either. So get that out of your head.



Of course the MSOs bundle, because being anti-competitive is profitable. My point is that anti-competitive behavior like that should be ILLEGAL.

patt2k

join:2009-01-16 patt2k Member okay So I do have VZW, Fios Internet,TV.. so I would be required to get home phone service when I didn't use home phone for at least 10 years.. pointless..



IowaCowboy

Supermarket Hero

Premium Member

join:2010-10-16

Springfield, MA IowaCowboy Premium Member How about POTS/DirecTV customers I have a landline/DirecTV bundle through Verizon, if I could get FiOS I'd gladly take it. I'd gladly take the $20 discount if they would give it to their POTS customers.



I've had enough of "it's not our problem, it's your equipment" Comcast.



mushmouth

join:2001-12-13

Earth mushmouth Member Re: How about POTS/DirecTV customers What about the folks who can only get voice,data due to no franchise agreement on video?.No love?.What gives?.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: How about POTS/DirecTV customers Go to your town to apply pressure?

mrdialup

join:2013-11-17

1 edit mrdialup Member A Discount That Really Isn't A Discount



You know another thing, I just noticed VZ is charging $5.99 per basic digital tuner box now. I think it was $3.99 when we first got service. Makes me miss 10 years ago when we didn't need any tuners except for the main TV to watch PPV. Adding to the misery, all my analog tuner cards / devices were rendered useless overnite



Edit: I just rechecked, actually per the FIOS bundler, upgrading to 50/25 results in a $5.00 month net increase months 3-24;



Below is the quoted cost for upgrading my Triple Play to include 50/25 (going from 15/5):



"Total Monthly Price

$99.99/mo

Price Month 2 = $109.99/mo

Price Months 3 - 24 = $124.99/mo



So it looks like if you are an existing 50/25 customer, you get a nice $20 break. If you have the misery 15/5 service, you essentially get a subsidized upgrade. One caveat, if you are a current FIOS customer on the 15/5 internet plan, you have to upgrade to 50/25 which I think adds another 20 dollars to your service after the first couple months. So in the end there is no real effective discount although you do get higher speed internet service.You know another thing, I just noticed VZ is charging $5.99 per basic digital tuner box now. I think it was $3.99 when we first got service. Makes me miss 10 years ago when we didn't need any tuners except for the main TV to watch PPV. Adding to the misery, all my analog tuner cards / devices were rendered useless overniteEdit: I just rechecked, actually per the FIOS bundler, upgrading to 50/25 results in a $5.00 month net increase months 3-24;Below is the quoted cost for upgrading my Triple Play to include 50/25 (going from 15/5):"Total Monthly Price$99.99/moPrice Month 2 = $109.99/moPrice Months 3 - 24 = $124.99/moSo it looks like if you are an existing 50/25 customer, you get a nice $20 break. If you have the misery 15/5 service, you essentially get a subsidized upgrade.



miataman

Premium Member

join:2010-10-27

Chelmsford, MA miataman Premium Member Ultimate employee discount. Is this going to apply to employees with the u e d package? I also have and like one bill!

Bytezboy

join:2001-05-17

New York, NY Bytezboy Member BEWARE - Cannot add One-Bill after it's removed, it's grandfathered I spoke with 2 reps to confirm if One-Bill will be grandfathered. They said it will be as long as you don't make any changes that will remove it. So, this $20/month discount is no good if you plan to keep the service for more than 2 years.