Presidential Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin had a pretty dire outlook on the political future of the United States, predicting President Donald Trump will eventually resign.

On MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Washington Post editor Eugene Robinson called the White House “an unspeakable mess,” but reassured viewers that the political climate in America has “been worse.” He cited the climate in the United States on the eve of the Civil War.

Goodwin agreed: “You’re absolutely right. It hasn’t been this bad since the 1850s, and that didn’t end up too well, with a Civil War that 600,000 people died in.”

The Pulitzer Prize winning author went on to describe the dour mood within the White House:

“What strikes me when you talk about the miserableness of these people — there’s no joy in that White House,” Goodwin said. “You don’t see anybody who’s really feeling the fulfillment of their job. It’s hard enough to be in a pressured situation like the White House if you don’t have any joy. And the top guy doesn’t have any joy. Do you see President Trump really finding himself in this job? He’s fighting every moment. The only joy is when he’s out at the rallies, and he gets oxygen at the rallies. Inside the White House he’s trapped.”

“I think at some point he might resign,” Goodwin added. “If this thing gets so bad.”

Watch above, via MSNBC.

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