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DevOps

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join:2005-03-19

Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member really? it's still just another suburb of Kansas City. I would consider it part of the existing infrastructure.

rmmoody

join:2001-02-15

Leawood, KS rmmoody Member Re: really? It is part of the metro, but Olathe is served by Comcast, Kansas City is mostly Time-Warner. It's a step in the right direction though - Mine!

xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon Member Re: really? Is interesting still that Google is looking to expand the footprint before even establishing a customer base with the initial rollout. They haven't even started rollout on the MO side yet, though should start soon.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: really? it will be a great ROI when they sell it to someone else though. And that could be their motive now since they killed Google Reader since, again, its another product that never made anything. And GF doesn't either.



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 2 edits DataRiker Premium Member Re: really? I would just like to clarify that google fiber actually have 4 plans for service now:



$0 dollar (300 install )

$70 gig internet only

$90 basic tv/1 Gig ( not advertised)

$120 tv/1 Gig nexus tablet

davidhoffman

Premium Member

join:2009-11-19

Warner Robins, GA davidhoffman Premium Member Re: really? Yes, I noticed that plan was buried inside a description of the main plan and I think in the FAQs. It is amusing that people forget the original purpose for cable TV was to get OTA broadcast channels that you could not receive even with rooftop house antennas. For some people, that is all they really want or will pay for.

aikenn

join:2002-10-25

Overland Park, KS aikenn Member Comcast and Surewest...meet your new competition This is going to affect both Comcast and Surewest in Olathe. Surewest just made huge investments in the past couple years deploying fiber but is still only offering 50/50 for $99 bundled with a 2 year contract. I've asked them numerous times for faster tiers and get nowhere with them. Here is a " Stop The Cap " article from last year where the GM at Surewest stated 50/50 is just as good as Google Fiber gigabit. He doesn't understand that single sustained transfer is not what gigabit is good for. It is also good for the larger number of devices in each household that are becoming bandwidth hungry and currently being starved. It would be interesting to see what he has to say now that he has direct fiber competition at a much lower price point for more bandwidth.

dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21

Crystal Lake, IL dfxmatt Member Re: Comcast and Surewest...meet your new competition even with comcrap's 100/25 I don't think I can ever look back to even a 50/50. I was easily saturating the network upstream and downstream with 2 phones + tablet + PC + roku with the 22/6. Now being able to torrent ISO's and tv shows in seconds is enough to saturate the hard drive's cache, which is excellent.



tshirt

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join:2004-07-11

Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: Comcast and Surewest...meet your new competition Well you'll need to run out right NOW and spend $1000's upgrading YOUR equipment to keep up with the network for those few rare moments when you MAY need to download 10 movies at once.

YOU are holding up progress, and by failing to upgrade you are preventing the development of future unknown and unneeded higher speed applications.



skuv

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said by dfxmatt: Now being able to torrent ISO's and tv shows in seconds is enough to saturate the hard drive's cache, which is excellent.



So good luck with that. I've been on a 1gig connection to my work machine for years, with 10s to 100s of gigs of downstream bandwidth available to saturate that 1gig connection, and I have never seen DVD sized ISOs download in seconds.So good luck with that.

RKRider9

join:2013-03-21

Olathe, KS RKRider9 to aikenn

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I agree that this will impact Surewest in a big way. I see many Olathe customers bailing from Surewest when Google rolls out their service. Once the SureWest customers see their off contract bill like I did they will not be very happy. I contacted SureWest customer loyalty dept and all they would do for me was throttle by bandwidth down from 50/50 to 30/30 for the same price I was paying under contract for 50/50 service. What a bunch of crap! If they can offer 50/50 service for $99 for two years for someone then they should be able to extend the offer to existing customers (of course they will not).

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member create jobs? What jobs has it created already with major companies along with other areas that have had FTTH well before KC-KS/MO???? And the cities should get a notice that FTTH has always been available for businesses.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13

Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 Member Re: create jobs? I would agree. Cities should get a notice warning them that FTTH has always been available and they could have it broken off in them at any time to quickly separate themselves from lots of their money.

xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon to TBBroadband

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FTTH to consumers was already in a few areas of KC and there are Sonet rings/high speed connections all over KC for businesses, but Google is doing 1Gbit for $70/month, way cheaper than anywhere else (in US).



They haven't established business class plans yet, so not a direct increase in jobs expected from that angle (yet). Though some small biz/startups are already taking advantage of it and so far Google is allowing it.



floyd007

join:2004-06-07

Glen Allen, VA floyd007 Member Re: create jobs? You know how much money Google is losing by running FTTP? for $70.00 or $120.00? it will take decades to recoup that back. It has been done before by Verizon. Even Google does not have that kind of money. Google loves to waste its shareholders' money on irrelevant things like Google Glasses, Drive-less Cars and this. Companies should adhere to their own bread and butter instead of poaching other people's bread and butter. When Google raises prices like Verizon did, we see how many "Google Haters" will be posting here exactly like what happened to Verizon.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? They data mine everything so its not like the subscription fee is their only source of income from it.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: create jobs? They only are able to data-mine what is going across their actual services that their TOS covers. Their TOS that gives them the right to data-mine does NOT cover their Fiber network. That itself would give them illegal wiretapping and would open a whole new issue the DOJ would have with Google. Although I'm sure people on here would be okay with the illegal wiretapping since this is Google that would be bringing in the $$$

JTR

join:2012-05-19

Westmont, IL ·Mediacom

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JTR Member Re: create jobs? said by TBBroadband: They only are able to data-mine what is going across their actual services that their TOS covers. Their TOS that gives them the right to data-mine does NOT cover their Fiber network. That itself would give them illegal wiretapping and would open a whole new issue the DOJ would have with Google. Although I'm sure people on here would be okay with the illegal wiretapping since this is Google that would be bringing in the $$$





»fiber.google.com/legal/p ··· acy.html The Google Privacy Policy applies to all of the services offered by Google Inc. and its affiliates, including Google Fiber Internet and Google Fiber TV, which are provided by Google Fiber, Inc.



This Google Fiber Privacy Notice explains some important additional things wed like you to know about information we collect when you visit Fiber websites or regarding use of Google Fiber TV and Google Fiber Internet (we call these together Fiber), and how that information is used. How we use information we collect



The Google Privacy Policy explains how we use information we collect. Uhm...Note that they specifically specified that their generic privacy notice covers Google Fiber. They make it even clearer here:That policy is extremely open-ended. And I mean extremely.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband to floyd007

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When you factor in who much it costs to install each home $1,000+ and factor in the STBs and the free tablets, that is more than what VZ spent.



soon the shareholders will have enough with Google and fire the current CEO.

TBBroadband TBBroadband to xenophon

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Actually only in a few places? Hardly. Anyone can call up TWC and order a Fiber connection. It's even listed on the TWC Business site. So saying only in a few locations is BS. The fact is just because Google is doing it, is the only reason this keeps hitting "news" and it only randomly shows up on other sites compared to here and the Stop the Cap blog.



And Google will never create a business package plans. Why? They won't be on this very long with the money loss they keep seeing. The shareholders and stock holders will NEVER allow this to keep going on.



And start ups/small businesses don't count when bringing in new companies. Why? Generally those only employ a hand full of people to start off with and before you know it, they'll move to another city/state to get the tax breaks that KC- MO/KS won't give them. It happens all the time. GF will NOT keep businesses like they claim it will. Hell, if Sprint moved away from Overland Park KC, MO would be screwed, that would give them what? The Limited Brand's HQ?? Hardly anything to call an improvement.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray to TBBroadband

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Jobs, where?

Cebu?

Mumbai?

Siberia?



There is absolutely no proof that "better broadband", in any way, boosts the local economy.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? said by elray: There is absolutely no proof that "better broadband", in any way, boosts the local economy.

This is also the first place in the country to have affordable better broadband.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: create jobs? said by me1212: This is also the first place in the country to have affordable better broadband.

$70/month is "affordable"?

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? For a business yes. Its less than a lot of places charge, especially for a symmetric gigabit.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: create jobs? How is this affordable for businesses? They can't even sign up unless they work out of a house that can get service. Then you have the issues with operating a business in a residential address/area which opens a WHOLE new issue that if the locals don't deal with; the state would.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: create jobs? And last I heard, Google doesn't permit servers.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? Most isps have a blerb in the ToS that says that too.



If your connection is good enough for you fine, but that doesn't mean a faster one is over priced just because it costs more than your slower connection.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: create jobs? said by me1212: Most isps have a blerb in the ToS that says that too.



If your connection is good enough for you fine, but that doesn't mean a faster one is over priced just because it costs more than your slower connection.

A faster connection is overpriced if it does not sell.



floyd007

join:2004-06-07

Glen Allen, VA 1 recommendation floyd007 to me1212

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You want affordable broadband? Go live in a Socialist country. You will get Broadband comparatively for $70.00 a month BUT 60% of your gross income will fund the country.



This is a Capitalist society. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. supply and demands (and not the customers, the shareholders). If the shareholders did not put their hard earned capital to these companies, you would never have broadband to begin with.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? You don't need to to live in poverty to socialism to have affordable internet. People invest in google, they obviously trust them or they would take their money out. Google is one of the few tech companies actually innovating and you give them crap for it. Capitalism is about taking risks, never stopping innovation and all that stuff. If you fail pick yourself up by your boot straps and move on/try again. Google wouldn't do this if they couldn't make money, their executives are not that stupid, they have more than one source of income for their internet service.



Google is expanding their bread and butter, first they were a search engine, then moved to smart phones shortly after apple showed it was profitable. Now they are trying glasses and internet, but unlike most other companies they data mine all their stuff so they have more than one source of income from these products.



You CAN have your cake and eat it to, welcome to the free market, if someone comes along with a better lower priced service then great.



I don't know who taught you about capitalism, but they did a shit job. Aw, who am I kidding? It was probably the public schools of America, which explains it all.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: create jobs? Google isn't expanding their bread and butter. It's already been proven by other companies, that overbuilding does NOT work. If it did you would see cities having 3 and 4 options for service providers. The fact is, it does NOT WORK. Over-builders would tell you this and VZ's numbers show this along with AT&T's.



And Google really did NOTHING for phones. Android was NOT developed by Google. It was PURCHASED. hardly developing ANYTHING. And according to the law; again; they are unable to data mine the Internet as it would be illegal under wire tapping laws/rules.



And As far as people trusting Google. They wanted a fast buck. Google has shown before if it can't make a buck doing something, they won't offer it. Why do you think their products NEVER come out of beta for the most part? Hell Google can't even afford to offer true support for businesses that PAY for their products. Also 3 cities is hardly expanding. They only went to this area because the CITIES GAVE THEM ANYTHING they wanted. And Google even had issues with the laws for stringing fiber. Why? They did NOT want to pay and wanted it for FREE. Google is another company that is out to make a buck and they don't care how they do it. But with that; all great things must come to and end and they will be next.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24

Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: create jobs? said by TBBroadband: Google isn't expanding their bread and butter. It's already been proven by other companies, that overbuilding does NOT work. If it did you would see cities having 3 and 4 options for service providers. The fact is, it does NOT WORK. Over-builders would tell you this and VZ's numbers show this along with AT&T's.



And Google really did NOTHING for phones. Android was NOT developed by Google. It was PURCHASED. hardly developing ANYTHING. And according to the law; again; they are unable to data mine the Internet as it would be illegal under wire tapping laws/rules.



And As far as people trusting Google. They wanted a fast buck. Google has shown before if it can't make a buck doing something, they won't offer it. Why do you think their products NEVER come out of beta for the most part? Hell Google can't even afford to offer true support for businesses that PAY for their products. Also 3 cities is hardly expanding. They only went to this area because the CITIES GAVE THEM ANYTHING they wanted. And Google even had issues with the laws for stringing fiber. Why? They did NOT want to pay and wanted it for FREE. Google is another company that is out to make a buck and they don't care how they do it. But with that; all great things must come to and end and they will be next.

Why are you so worked up over this?



floyd007

join:2004-06-07

Glen Allen, VA floyd007 to me1212

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I am not a Yankee, but nice try. And I went to Private school, never went to public schools in the USA



daman1

@campbell-ewald.com daman1 to floyd007

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The only reason why internet is expensive in the US is because of regional monopolies for isps. South Korea (world leader in internet speed and connectivity) has cheap broadband and they certainly are NOT a socialist country, just lots of competition among companies that provide broadband.

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? Don't forget japan, it has less expensive internet than even google but still 1000/1000.



If these(often times government created) monopolies would die and a true free market could exist.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: create jobs? and you do realize that Japan is far from rural right? Its easier to string them fiber to every MDU than it is to wire America. We're not stacked here on top of each other like they are.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24

Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin to floyd007

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said by floyd007: You want affordable broadband? Go live in a Socialist country. You will get Broadband comparatively for $70.00 a month BUT 60% of your gross income will fund the country.



This is a Capitalist society. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. supply and demands (and not the customers, the shareholders). If the shareholders did not put their hard earned capital to these companies, you would never have broadband to begin with.

Where do you people me from, and why are your type so prevalent on this site?

me1212

join:2008-11-20

Pleasant Hill, MO me1212 Member Re: create jobs? said by sonicmerlin: said by floyd007: You want affordable broadband? Go live in a Socialist country. You will get Broadband comparatively for $70.00 a month BUT 60% of your gross income will fund the country.



This is a Capitalist society. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. supply and demands (and not the customers, the shareholders). If the shareholders did not put their hard earned capital to these companies, you would never have broadband to begin with.



Where do you people me from, and why are your type so prevalent on this site? Extremists are always prevalent, since they make the most noise, and they are why I'm libertarian not republican or democrat.



DataRiker

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join:2002-05-19

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said by floyd007: This is a Capitalist society.

Correction. Our "society" is more corporatism than capitalism.

elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray to floyd007

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said by floyd007: You want affordable broadband? Go live in a Socialist country. You will get Broadband comparatively for $70.00 a month BUT 60% of your gross income will fund the country.



This is a Capitalist society. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. supply and demands (and not the customers, the shareholders). If the shareholders did not put their hard earned capital to these companies, you would never have broadband to begin with.





But the data is clear - the vast majority of potential subscribers are not going to pay $70/month for broadband, at any speed, and the largest segment of those not subscribing to broadband cite the price as their main objection. I couldn't agree more.But the data is clear - the vast majority of potential subscribers are not going to pay $70/month for broadband, at any speed, and the largest segment of those not subscribing to broadband cite the price as their main objection.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband to me1212

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hardly. I can obtain FTTH in other areas the same price if not cheaper, and I don't have to deal with Google and their half-ass support either.

TBBroadband TBBroadband to elray

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which is my whole point. It's a BS tactic that locals use to build an FTTH network on the people's dime and to lie to them. And these people believed Google and gave them everything with nothing in return.



DataRiker

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join:2002-05-19

00000 1 recommendation DataRiker to TBBroadband

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said by TBBroadband: What jobs has it created already with major companies along with other areas that have had FTTH well before KC-KS/MO???? And the cities should get a notice that FTTH has always been available for businesses.





Its still awesome. Didn't realize it was Google's responsibility to create jobs here. I don't care if it does or not.Its still awesome.

Bob61571

join:2008-08-08

Washington, IL Bob61571 Member Olathe, KS is about 25 miles from DT KC, MO and a little less fro KC, KS.....



So, what is the story behind this? What is Google trying to do, or why was Olathe picked(instead of any other KC suburb)?



morbo

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00000 morbo Member Re: Olathe, KS is about 25 miles from It will be interesting to see how Comcast and Surewest react to this expansion.

xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon to Bob61571

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said by Bob61571: DT KC, MO and a little less fro KC, KS.....



So, what is the story behind this? What is Google trying to do, or why was Olathe picked(instead of any other KC suburb)?

Is highly likely that Google is working with a deal for all cities in that county but that an agreement was reached with Olathe first. Could also be because Comcast is in that area.



IowaCowboy

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Springfield, MA ARRIS SB6183

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Bring it to Springfield, Massachusetts Since VZ may or may not deploy FiOS here.



I'm looking to kick Comcast to the curb as I've had so many problems with them and the landlord is having a problem with their shoddy workmanship.



I've got a real attractive offer on the table for home phone and DirecTV from VZ and I've had good experiences with DTV in the past. I would still have to deal with Comcast for Internet as they are the only ones faster than 3/768.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: Bring it to Springfield, Massachusetts As the old saying goes "hold out to hands and see which one gets fuller first". Keep wishing for Google, they enjoy you saying their name and how great they are. And also FYI- if there was a demand for this service in your area, and was truly profitable, someone would have already done it.



IowaCowboy

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join:2010-10-16

Springfield, MA ARRIS SB6183

Netgear R8000

IowaCowboy Premium Member Re: Bring it to Springfield, Massachusetts Urban areas are great in terms of deploying broadband, they're thickly settled and densely populated. Broadband providers love areas where you can serve 8 customers off of one pole.



One of the problems with Springfield is that it is in western mass so you have a big rural stretch of land between it and the eastern part of mass. Then you have the Connecticut towns that have U-verse to the south but there is a huge demarc called the state line that keeps U-verse from expanding into the pioneer valley. AT&T is the telco south of the border and VZ is on the north (Mass) side of the border. I'm sure if AT&T had Western Mass, they would have included Springfield in their original U-verse build.

mob (banned)

On the next level..

join:2000-10-07

San Jose, CA mob (banned) Member Screw it.. I'm moving to Olathe...



God that hurt to type.



Blockgorilla

Sarcasm is my native tongue

join:2010-02-11

Wichita, KS Blockgorilla Member head my way i'm hoping they keep on moving Southwest, and head on down to noncompetitive Wichita KS. the only "fiber" we have right now is Uverse.

ame101

join:2002-05-02

Torrington, CT ame101 Member more goodness Funny how I keep looking for new jobs in Kansas.

xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon Member Re: more goodness



»www.simplyhired.com/a/jo ··· City,+MO Don't forget Missouri too, the major city is actually on the MO side.

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member 2014 In 2014, Docsis 3.1 can ready gigabit cablemodem speeds IF the cable industry wants to deploy them! The upstream however will be NOWHERE NEAR 1 gigabit.. you'd be lucky if it goes above 100 megabits upstream the way cable companies deploy the upstream channels to squeeze between 300 - 600 customers on a node. That's probably WHY you see such asymmetric speeds.... that AND aging COAX lines which haven't been upgraded to quad shield rg 6 or better after the node & proper amplifiers/signal conditioners in place at segments to offer higher quality low noise return channels.

TBBroadband

join:2012-10-26

Fremont, OH TBBroadband Member Re: 2014 If HFC networks didn't have the power they do now, any MSO could destroy VZ, AT&T and Google with no time at all. They can easily pull the coax out of the lines and run fiber. half of the fiber is already there except what? maybe 2,000 feet or so? easily to upgrade with no time really spent doing anything.



The fact is, not many people want, nor need this service that fast.

34764170 (banned)

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Etobicoke, ON 1 edit 34764170 (banned) to tmc8080

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said by tmc8080: In 2014, Docsis 3.1 can ready gigabit cablemodem speeds IF the cable industry wants to deploy them! The upstream however will be NOWHERE NEAR 1 gigabit.. you'd be lucky if it goes above 100 megabits upstream the way cable companies deploy the upstream channels to squeeze between 300 - 600 customers on a node. That's probably WHY you see such asymmetric speeds.... that AND aging COAX lines which haven't been upgraded to quad shield rg 6 or better after the node & proper amplifiers/signal conditioners in place at segments to offer higher quality low noise return channels.

HFC networks won't see DOCSIS 3.1 until 2015/2016 and even then they still would not be able to handle 1Gb connections without some pretty craze node splitting.

cooperaaaron

join:2004-04-10

Romeoville, IL 228.9 12.3

cooperaaaron Member I just want to know... if Google is losing money on this thing, what are the numbers ? And if they are making money, what are the numbers ?



Seems to me that Google wants to make money, is it really costing them as much as people say it is ? I don't know this part of the business, but I would like to think that costs have gone down far enuff to make it profitable for Google to be doing this.



David

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join:2002-05-30

Granite City, IL David Premium Member Shouldn't be too much longer Then we might actually start seeing some reviews here.



DataRiker

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00000 1 edit DataRiker Premium Member Re: Shouldn't be too much longer Yes, shouldn't be too long.