Appearing on MSNBC Monday afternoon, the former editor-in-chief of Jared Kushner’s New York Observer called out the president’s son-in-law excuses over a meeting with Russians linked to the Kremlin, saying the man she worked for never attend a meeting without knowing every detail that would be discussed.

Speaking with host Ari Melber, Elizabeth Spiers said she found Kushner’s written statement and brief comments to the press “implausible.”

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“Elizabeth, he [Kushner] casts himself as overworked, and not necessarily detail oriented,” Melber asked. “Does that match with the person you worked for, the one you knew?”

“No,” she bluntly replied. “He has a — you know, he has a good work ethic. It’s possible he was working harder than he’s accustomed to. However, in terms of the detail orientation, I find it implausible he would show up to a meeting without knowing what it was about.”

“He’s a busy guy,” she continued. “In my experience, every meeting we had was planned and scheduled, and he always had an agenda for it.”

“When he showed up at a meeting with you, he knew what they were about?” Melber pressed.

“Yeah,” Spiers stated. “I don’t find it credible that he had no idea these meetings were about.”

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Later in the interview, Spiers offered, “At the very least you have to consider that his best defense is that I was completely ignorant on process and that I am incompetent.”

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