Philippe Reines, the outspoken longtime adviser of Hillary Clinton, said he has a hard time seeing how the Democrats currently being considered to run against President Donald Trump in 2020 could win.

In an interview with Jamie Weinstein for his National Review podcast, Reines was asked who he thought could win the Democratic primary and general election in 2020.

“I don’t know,” Reines responded.

“I always think of it this way, that if the election were held tomorrow, stick in a name, would Trump win,” Reines said. “I think Tom Hanks would win, I think The Rock would win. I have a hard time seeing how a lot of the people who are running would win. Just as comparison.”

“He is a freak of nature and it doesn’t matter if he’s dumb or not,” Reines added of Trump. “It doesn’t matter what I think. He is a bulldozer.”

“So if you were betting now, you think he wins the 2020?” Weinstein asked.

“Net-net, yeah,” Reines replied. “For a lot of reasons, also because moments in history like this tend to not get resolved. The only two presidents in the last 85 years that have been denied a second term: Jimmy Carter and George HW Bush. And both because they had, as a sign of trouble, they had serious primary challengers.”

Listen to the clip above, and the full podcast here, at National Review.

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