kli1195 Senior Guild Member



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Re: Snow suit (January 2013 IotM) Default Stocking with no equipment

33% chance to act

4 actions (up to round 10)

8.25% to drop meat from rounds 1 to 10

From the wiki: The formula for meat obtained is A(X+B), where A is a random value from 3 to 5 and B is a random value from 1 to 3. This produces a range of 3(X+1) to 5(X+3).

The average amount of meat you would get when the Stocking gives meat would be the formula: 4(X + 2)

The stocking can also critically hit 20% of the time, which doubles the effectiveness of the action.

6.6% chance to drop ~4(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

1.65% chance to drop ~8(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

So let's assume a Stocking Mimic with a weight of 100lbs. This is just so we can have a specific scenario, as the relationship between weight and meat is linear.

6.6% chance to drop ~4(100 + 2) meat = 408 meat. This averages out to be ~269 meat/combat since it can only happen from rounds 1 to 10.

1.65% chance to drop ~8(100 + 2) meat = 816 meat. This averages out to be ~135 meat/combat.

Combining the two, your average meat gains from a 100lb Stocking with no equipment is ~404 meat/combat.



Stocking with Snow Suit at 20lbs

33% chance to act

4 actions (up to round 10)

6.6% chance to drop ~4(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

1.65% chance to drop ~8(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

I'm going to assume the Snowsuit stays at 20lbs to begin with.

Stocking (100lbs) + Snowsuit (20lbs) = 120lbs

6.6% chance to drop ~4(120 + 2) meat = 488 meat. This averages out to be ~322 meat/combat.

1.65% chance to drop ~8(120 + 2) meat = 976 meat. This averages out to be ~161 meat/combat.

Combining the two, your average meat gains from a 100lb Stocking with a 20lb Snowsuit is ~484 meat/combat.

Basically an 80 meat/combat increase over the same Stocking with nothing.



Stocking Mimic with Bag of Many Confections

Since the only thing it adds to a default Stocking is candy after combat, the meat gains during combat should be the same. So we'll ignore that.

1/6 chance to drop a candy every combat, and each of the 3 candy drops is equally likely.

So 1/18 chance for Polka Pop, 1/18 chance for Piddles, 1/18 chance for BitterSweetTarts.

The current average prices for the candies are:

- Polka Pop (3600 meat, a high)

- Piddles (430 meat, a high)

- BitterSweetTarts (100 meat, pretty constant)

So your average gains per combat from using the Bag of Many Confections is:

- Polka Pop: 3600 * (1/18 ) = 200 meat

- Piddles: 430 * (1/18 ) = 24 meat

- BitterSweetTarts: 100 * (1/18 ) = 6 meat

Adding all of those together nets a 230 meat/combat increase over a default Stocking.



Edit: I made a mistake

Stocking with Helicopter

Helicopter gives a 25% increase in familiar activity.

Familiar Action Frequency effects stack additively, so using the Jingle Jangle Jingle buff (which you should be doing anyways) and the Potion of Punctual Companionship are independent modifiers.

41.25% chance to act

4 actions (up to round 10)

10.3125% to drop meat from rounds 1 to 10

Now factoring in criticals from the stocking,

8.25% chance to drop ~4(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

2.0625% chance to drop ~8(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

The Helicopter gives a +5lb in addition to increasing familiar actions. So the total weight would be 105lbs.

8.25% chance to drop ~4(105 + 2) = 428 meat. This averages out to be ~353 meat/combat.

2.0625% chance to drop ~8(105 + 2) = 856 meat. This averages out to be ~177 meat/combat.

Combining the two, your average meat gains from a 100lb Stocking with the Helicopter is ~530 meat/combat.

Basically a 126 meat/combat increase over a default Stocking.



Conclusion

The Stocking with the Helicopter (530 meat/adv) beats the Snow Suit (484 meat/adv) by about 46 meat/adv.

The above was wrong, thank you NotJim. With the new maths below, it's shown that the Helicopter is much stronger than the Snow Suit in terms of Mimic farming.



Stocking with Helicopter

Helicopter gives a 25% increase in familiar activity.

Familiar Action Frequency effects stack additively, so using the Jingle Jangle Jingle buff (which you should be doing anyways) and the Potion of Punctual Companionship are independent modifiers.

58% chance to act

4 actions (up to round 10)

14.5% to drop meat from rounds 1 to 10

Now factoring in criticals from the stocking,

11.6% chance to drop ~4(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

2.9% chance to drop ~8(X + 2) meat from 1 to 10

The Helicopter gives a +5lb in addition to increasing familiar actions. So the total weight would be 105lbs.

11.6% chance to drop ~4(105 + 2) = 428 meat. This averages out to be ~496 meat/combat.

2.9% chance to drop ~8(105 + 2) = 856 meat. This averages out to be ~248 meat/combat.

Combining the two, your average meat gains from a 100lb Stocking with the Helicopter is ~745 meat/combat.

Basically a 341 meat/combat increase over a default Stocking.



Conclusion

The Stocking with the Helicopter (745 meat/adv) beats the Snow Suit (484 meat/adv) by about 261 meat/adv when the Stocking is 100lbs.



Side-Note

However, we assumed that the Snow Suit stays at 20lbs. It goes down the more adventures are spent, so the gap between the Helicopter and the Snowsuit would increase the more adventures are spent.

It should be noted that the Snow Suit allows for an increase in (what is speculated to be) +item, however I think this would be fairly negligible.

Also, the Stocking Mimic provides an insane amount of HP and MP regen, which is typically used for Candyblast and Libram Summoning when Mimic Farming. Both of these provide a huge amount of meat, so by having the Helicopter, which allows for more HP and MP regen, the user might see a bigger increase in meat/adv.





In Addition

The advantage of the Helicopter over the Snow Suit is the flat 25% increase in action.

The advantage of the Snow Ssuit over the Helicopter is the +15 weight.

Because of the nature of the stats, the flat weight gets stronger the lower the base weight of the Stocking is.

And the flat increase in action gets stronger the higher the base weight of the Stocking is.

In the scenario above, we assume the Stocking is at 100lbs, and it is clear that the Helicopter is far stronger at this weight. It is typical for a Stocking to be anywhere from 150lbs - 175lbs when farming with it, so the increase in action is much more important than an increase in weight.

The Snow Suit would only be better than the Helicopter if the Stocking is at a very low weight, but anyone who farms with the Stocking should have a very high weight.

For the Bag of Many Confections, you would also have to sell the candy, which may be hard, especially the BitterSweetTarts.



TL;DR Helicopter is far stronger than the Snow Suit when Stocking Farming. In fact, the Bag of Many Confections, the Stocking's basic familiar item, is stronger than the Snow Suit.

__________________ Last edited by kli1195; Wed, Jan 2nd, 2013 at 06:06 AM .