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Last edit: May 05, 2013, 11:41:05 PM by JackRabiit #1 So I recently recieved an email from BFL (like many others did) Telling us to Confirm our order.

Well, I did and when I got to my order number in my account, I saw that my Express Priority Shipping has been switched to Standard, and that BFL wants me to pay for express Priority shipping...



They want me to pay Another $115 to get express shipping!!!



I ALREADY PAYED FOR EXPRESS Priority SHIPPING IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Way back in october 2012!! Wich apparently is translated into Standard shipping

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Last edit: May 02, 2013, 04:10:46 AM by JackRabiit #9 this "upgrade to express shipping" Is a toatal fucking cash grab! I already payed for my unit, Express, ALONG TIME AGO, My unit should already be in my hands, Not BFL saying "durr your not on express, give me another $115" for express, BTW, "This wont change anything other than your postal service's speeds, We wont do anything differant"



It seems like they are trying to con everyone out of THIER shipping expenses , I think they underestimated just how much shipping all those units was going to cost them!

I already payed for express, just like many others did, BFL has no right to charge us more money just because they messed up.

AGAIN

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Hero MemberActivity: 574Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 04:29:26 AM #13 Quote from: mc_lovin on May 02, 2013, 04:18:58 AM Quote from: wsoei on May 02, 2013, 03:42:28 AM Express shipping should be free at this point.



I wonder if they have a shipping method so fast that it arrived months ago!

I wonder if they have a shipping method so fast that it arrived months ago!

What about the "Swarms of Locusts" are they not on standby or was the Wheat harvest low this Spring so thats the reason they have now doubled the shipping costs



or



Like the total fail company that they are who is about to chapter 11 ...they find a way to make a larger % profit on the 100 units that they can ship ....(after buring through all the chips they had and also needing to double the chips needed to meet the performance targets )



The real motivation behind this farce is to get you into accepting the "NO REFUNDS" bullshit with the new "TERMS AND CONDITIONS"



Even @ a load of balony 400 units a day (they could not do 10 if they where lucky) out of the 60000 orders it willtake 10 months to clear the back log



Thanks u BFL for helping make LTC what it is today the thriving true second silver to btc gold ...



Josh & BFL can not lie straight in bed from all the lies and deception they spin ...... two words to you guys "SUCK IT" What about the "Swarms of Locusts" are they not on standby or was the Wheat harvest low this Spring so thats the reason they have now doubled the shipping costsorLike the total fail company that they are who is about to chapter 11 ...they find a way to make a larger % profit on the 100 units that they can ship ....(after buring through all the chips they had and also needing to double the chips needed to meet the performance targets )The real motivation behind this farce is to get you into accepting the "NO REFUNDS" bullshit with the new "TERMS AND CONDITIONS"Even @ a load of balony 400 units a day (they could not do 10 if they where lucky) out of the 60000 orders it willtake 10 months to clear the back logThanks u BFL for helping make LTC what it is today the thriving true second silver to btc gold ...Josh & BFL can not lie straight in bed from all the lies and deception they spin ...... two words to you guys "SUCK IT" OBJECT NOT FOUND

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Sr. MemberActivity: 260Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 05:11:33 AM #16 My regular shipping is still the same. but to upgrade to express shipping its like $100.



When you noticed the price increase for shipping, did it cross your mind that the product they are delivering is now twice the size and twice the weight? I think snare rolls should be used as a currency.

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Quote from: logicbomb666 on May 02, 2013, 05:11:33 AM My regular shipping is still the same. but to upgrade to express shipping its like $100.



When you noticed the price increase for shipping, did it cross your mind that the product they are delivering is now twice the size and twice the weight?

That is really, honestly not our problem, that is compleatly thier fault for having horrifically innacurate assumptions (lets not get specific) when it came to size/weight/cooling for the products.

I do not see why we should have to pay for thier inaccurate premature assumptions about thier product, especially when it comes to the small orders Please keep posts down to a small number, I'd like to see how many other people have had thier shipping downgradedThat is really, honestly not our problem, that is compleatly thier fault for having horrifically innacurate assumptions (lets not get specific) when it came to size/weight/cooling for the products.I do not see why we should have to pay for thier inaccurate premature assumptions about thier product, especially when it comes to the small orders

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Hero MemberActivity: 574Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 05:17:59 AM #18 Quote from: logicbomb666 on May 02, 2013, 05:11:33 AM My regular shipping is still the same. but to upgrade to express shipping its like $100.



When you noticed the price increase for shipping, did it cross your mind that the product they are delivering is now twice the size and twice the weight?



Sure it all makes sense...



its twice the size.....



twice the weight......



Chews through 500% more power than rated....



Produces half the performance than expected...



And will never be delivered anyway so sure donate to the Josh & Sonny chapter 11 escape fund Sure it all makes sense...its twice the size.....twice the weight......Chews through 500% more power than rated....Produces half the performance than expected...And will never be delivered anyway so sure donate to the Josh & Sonny chapter 11 escape fund OBJECT NOT FOUND

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LegendaryActivity: 1695Merit: 1018 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 05:55:00 AM #19 I checked my order email from last year:



"Shipping (International Priority ($38))"



Just checked my order on BFL's website (after confirming I still want it):



"Standard Shipping - Only"





Shipping and handling upgrade is quoted as $400 (wtf!), but then the extra amount I would actually have to pay is quoted as only $26.



It seems to me like BFL's system doesn't take into account the previous lower cost of Jalapeno (err), I mean, 5Gh products. Also does "international priority" mean "standard shipping" in BFL speak?

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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 06:04:13 AM #20 Quote from: Cluster2k on May 02, 2013, 05:55:00 AM I checked my order email from last year:



"Shipping (International Priority ($38))"



Just checked my order on BFL's website (after confirming I still want it):



"Standard Shipping - Only"





Shipping and handling upgrade is quoted as $400 (wtf!), but then the extra amount I would actually have to pay is quoted as only $26.



It seems to me like BFL's system doesn't take into account the previous lower cost of Jalapeno (err), I mean, 5Gh products. Also does "international priority" mean "standard shipping" in BFL speak?



Their order system has been fucked for months, despite the fact that it was supposed to be fixed ages ago (another thing Jody seems unable to deal with competently). This is the same system people are supposed to trust when re-confirming their orders if they don't want a refund - there's no way it's not going to be yet another clusterfuck. Their order system has been fucked for months, despite the fact that it was supposed to be fixed ages ago (another thing Jody seems unable to deal with competently). This is the same system people are supposed to trust when re-confirming their orders if they don't want a refund - there's no way it's not going to be yet another clusterfuck. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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MemberActivity: 91Merit: 10 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 07:51:30 AM #25 Quote from: singular on May 02, 2013, 07:21:58 AM Lol im also now at standard shipping and system is demanding $800 for express shipping wtf?!



Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. In fact, you'd be better off buying a round trip plane ticket and getting them in person if you knew what day your order was going to be available. Heck, you could probably hire a courier to drive across country for that price. Yeah, this is pretty ridiculous. In fact, you'd be better off buying a round trip plane ticket and getting them in person if you knew what day your order was going to be available. Heck, you could probably hire a courier to drive across country for that price.

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 07:54:31 AM #26 So now that we have waited a year, they want us to pay for something we already have a receipt for. A extra 120 per unit on top of what we paid the first time is a lot of dough. You can bet it's not next day air either. They told me they were using UPS but it looks like the post office to me. Every time I turn around Butterfly makes some morally, or legally questionable decision. Shipping Jalapenos and Paypal customers out of order position. Now it's pay a extra 10% and you can keep your 3 days shipping or your waiting another week. I can't even image what's coming next from this scandal of a operation. They would never get away with this if they had a actual customer support team.

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Hero MemberActivity: 574Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:22:19 AM #27 Quote from: Beans on May 02, 2013, 07:54:31 AM So now that we have waited a year, they want us to pay for something we already have a receipt for. A extra 120 per unit on top of what we paid the first time is a lot of dough. You can bet it's not next day air either. They told me they were using UPS but it looks like the post office to me. Every time I turn around Butterfly makes some morally, or legally questionable decision. Shipping Jalapenos and Paypal customers out of order position. Now it's pay a extra 10% and you can keep your 3 days shipping or your waiting another week. I can't even image what's coming next from this scandal of a operation. They would never get away with this if they had a actual customer support team.



Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words



"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"



or



"Fuck Off Loser"



or



"Shutup you Cocksucker"



...it goes on and on.....



Please jesus when will this insanity end Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"or"Fuck Off Loser"or"Shutup you Cocksucker"...it goes on and on.....Please jesus when will this insanity end OBJECT NOT FOUND

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:56:50 AM #30 Quote from: YipYip on May 02, 2013, 08:22:19 AM Quote from: Beans on May 02, 2013, 07:54:31 AM So now that we have waited a year, they want us to pay for something we already have a receipt for. A extra 120 per unit on top of what we paid the first time is a lot of dough. You can bet it's not next day air either. They told me they were using UPS but it looks like the post office to me. Every time I turn around Butterfly makes some morally, or legally questionable decision. Shipping Jalapenos and Paypal customers out of order position. Now it's pay a extra 10% and you can keep your 3 days shipping or your waiting another week. I can't even image what's coming next from this scandal of a operation. They would never get away with this if they had a actual customer support team.



Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words



"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"



or



"Fuck Off Loser"



or



"Shutup you Cocksucker"



...it goes on and on.....



Please jesus when will this insanity end

Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"or"Fuck Off Loser"or"Shutup you Cocksucker"...it goes on and on.....Please jesus when will this insanity end

Exactly. I'm starting to worry they will start mining coins themselves. All these unethical decisions they make, it would not be much of a leap. Every decisions seems to be based on whether it will bring in money. I can't even image another company doing the kind of crap they pull. Exactly. I'm starting to worry they will start mining coins themselves. All these unethical decisions they make, it would not be much of a leap. Every decisions seems to be based on whether it will bring in money. I can't even image another company doing the kind of crap they pull.

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DonatorLegendaryActivity: 1616Merit: 1003 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 12:23:09 PM #33 Even the pricing does not make sense. Express shipping for the 60GH/s miner with FPGA trade-in is $115. For a regular (non trade-in) 60GH/s miner express shipping is $225. Aren't they both the same physical product?

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Hero MemberActivity: 574Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 12:28:23 PM #34 Quote from: Beans on May 02, 2013, 08:56:50 AM Quote from: YipYip on May 02, 2013, 08:22:19 AM Quote from: Beans on May 02, 2013, 07:54:31 AM So now that we have waited a year, they want us to pay for something we already have a receipt for. A extra 120 per unit on top of what we paid the first time is a lot of dough. You can bet it's not next day air either. They told me they were using UPS but it looks like the post office to me. Every time I turn around Butterfly makes some morally, or legally questionable decision. Shipping Jalapenos and Paypal customers out of order position. Now it's pay a extra 10% and you can keep your 3 days shipping or your waiting another week. I can't even image what's coming next from this scandal of a operation. They would never get away with this if they had a actual customer support team.



Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words



"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"



or



"Fuck Off Loser"



or



"Shutup you Cocksucker"



...it goes on and on.....



Please jesus when will this insanity end

Customer support team.....why not go straight to the tp and ask the CTO these questions I am sure he will answer and satify all your concerns by 3 simple words"SUCK IT ARSSHOLE"or"Fuck Off Loser"or"Shutup you Cocksucker"...it goes on and on.....Please jesus when will this insanity end

Exactly. I'm starting to worry they will start mining coins themselves. All these unethical decisions they make, it would not be much of a leap. Every decisions seems to be based on whether it will bring in money. I can't even image another company doing the kind of crap they pull.

Exactly. I'm starting to worry they will start mining coins themselves. All these unethical decisions they make, it would not be much of a leap. Every decisions seems to be based on whether it will bring in money. I can't even image another company doing the kind of crap they pull.

Un-ethical ...their CEO is a covicted fraudster and conman ...gone to prison or club fed whatever it was



Josh\Inaba there wonderous CTO is also a convicted criminal for selling Cable TV codes or whatever it was



Its a house of never ending lies and deception......having said that



They cant start mining as they will show up on the block chain ..etc



There are so many eyes watching these asshats ..it would be the final end to this long drawn out saga



Un-ethical ...their CEO is a covicted fraudster and conman ...gone to prison or club fed whatever it wasJosh\Inaba there wonderous CTO is also a convicted criminal for selling Cable TV codes or whatever it wasIts a house of never ending lies and deception......having said thatThey cant start mining as they will show up on the block chain ..etcThere are so many eyes watching these asshats ..it would be the final end to this long drawn out saga OBJECT NOT FOUND

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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 12:51:52 PM #35 Quote from: YipYip on May 02, 2013, 12:28:23 PM Un-ethical ...their CEO is a covicted fraudster and conman ...gone to prison or club fed whatever it was

Josh\Inaba there wonderous CTO is also a convicted criminal for selling Cable TV codes or whatever it was



Not only is Josh Zerlan / Inaba their CTO, he's also their COO !!!



Dude is going to have a really tough time finding another job after Butterfly Labs, due the mountains of impropriety and unprofessionalism that has been so thoroughly documented here.



Could not happen to a nicer guy.



... and dude has the fucking gall to call people who ask harsh/pointed questions "trolls"



The man has a complete lack of meta-cognition or modicum of self-awareness.



Not only is Josh Zerlan / Inaba their CTO, he's also their COO !!!Dude is going to have a really tough time finding another job after Butterfly Labs, due the mountains of impropriety and unprofessionalism that has been so thoroughly documented here.Could not happen to a nicer guy.... and dude has the fucking gall to call people who ask harsh/pointed questions "trolls"The man has a complete lack of meta-cognition or modicum of self-awareness.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 280Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 02:42:07 PM #37 I enjoy watching these regular "BFL doing their professional work" topics. It's hard to believe they do still exist after all the failures on their journey. The demand for BTC ASICs must be higher than any other product in the world.

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LegendaryActivity: 2408Merit: 1195 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 02:58:30 PM #39 Well, that was my last deal with BFL and I assume it will end like my deal with bASIC Tom - or like the deals some people made with Trendon.



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Sr. MemberActivity: 252Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 02:59:11 PM #40 i think the Swarms of Locusts where killed to death because josh and the whole bfl team party and snorted so much that know they dont have money left for shipping

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Last edit: May 02, 2013, 04:14:59 PM by Bitcoinorama #42 Guessing that USPS/UPS hasn't changed their shipping costs and that regardless of the new case size the quoted amount was ample.



From a casual observers standpoint knowing that BFL aren't capable of producing units at the volumes per day initially suggested, I'd imagine by forcing your hand to either pay more for shipping, or agree for a slower postage buys them time to only prioritise those that stump up the extra cash, therefore bypassing the order queue for those that may have paid earlier, but won't cough up (assuming it's most). In essence taking the strain of having to produce as many units as they claim they could per day, but can't. They can blame delayed shipping upon slower postage that you chose. It probably also means they have to legally pay additional for unsociable hours if they have to hire people to work outside or beyond the normal day.



Whatever happens, make sure your estimated shipping cost tally's with the actual cost charged printed on the label by the shipping provider. I'd be interested to see whether it's an accurate reflection...

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LegendaryActivity: 1449Merit: 1013Cryptanalyst castrated by his government, 1952 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 04:07:56 PM #43 No poster yet seems to have clicked on the "upgrade shipping" box, so this may be of interest.



I saw the same notice late last night. I couldn't remember whether I had originally ordered express shipping or not, so I thought about the upgrade offer with no particular emotion. I'm not in the U.S. so the standard shipping by U.S.P.S. would be a disaster in terms of lost opportunity cost. They offered FedEx for about $100 more - an easy decision (on the surface), as the cost could easily be recovered in a day of mining.



I went for it. They offered to let me pay with BTC or PayPal. I chose BTC and was transferred to their usual processor who wanted about 0.8 BTC . To my surprise, I got a popup from my qt wallet asking for a large transaction fee - large as a percentage, not as an absolute amount, so still no problem in terms of opportunity cost. The transaction went through totalling around 1.2 BTC . Ouch! Nothing to do with BFL, as far as I know, but weird.



Anyway, I watched the confirmations come in and everything seems fine except that on the BFL site the order still shows "upgrade pending" and "amount due $95".



Phooey. During most of the process, I was thinking that the cart process was going very smoothly and that BFL was getting their act together. Now things seem as murky as ever.



I'm not yet ready to join the troll camp, but I'm not exactly starry-eyed about BFL either.



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DonatorLegendaryActivity: 2240Merit: 1042between a rock and a block! Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 05:00:31 PM #44 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 04:00:34 AM this "upgrade to express shipping" Is a toatal fucking cash grab! I already payed for my unit, Express, ALONG TIME AGO, My unit should already be in my hands, Not BFL saying "durr your not on express, give me another $115" for express, BTW, "This wont change anything other than your postal service's speeds, We wont do anything differant"



It seems like they are trying to con everyone out of THIER shipping expenses , I think they underestimated just how much shipping all those units was going to cost them!

I already payed for express, just like many others did, BFL has no right to charge us more money just because they messed up.

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Gotta pay for those fancy boxes that are irregular shape (as opposed to using the priority flat rate boxes) and cost more to ship than originally thought. The shape and size of the miners has changed too, so shipping costs WILL change for BFL... they're just giving you the opportunity to pay for their screw-up /sarc Gotta pay for those fancy boxes that are irregular shape (as opposed to using the priority flat rate boxes) and cost more to ship than originally thought. The shape and size of the miners has changed too, so shipping costs WILL change for BFL... they're just giving you the opportunity to pay for their screw-up /sarc

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If he's every out of a job I'd hire him in a second based only on how he's abused idiots on here...



+1, that's frikin funny! +1, that's frikin funny!

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 06:28:37 PM #47 Wow, that's awesome... So far, I am the CEO, COO, CTO, head of PR, and Customer Service Manager of BFL. Damn, I have a lot of hats, no wonder I'm so cranky.



You gotta love trolls who try to sound important and rational when they can't even get basic facts right. Given that, why would anyone even possibly believe they can get more advanced concepts correct when the basics are so out of whack?



Convicted for selling cable TV... huh, gotta admit, that's a new one. My (lack of) arrest record would seem to indicate differently, but who's needs to bring facts into this?

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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 06:34:07 PM #49 Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 06:28:37 PM but who's needs to bring facts into this?



I would tread very carefully bro. Lets not bring the FCC into this.



Also, are you not both COO and CTO ? Sincere apologies if I have not gotten those facts straight.



I may be a "troll asshole customer" in your eyes, but I'll happily eat crow if I'm in error. I would tread very carefully bro. Lets not bring the FCC into this.Also, are you not both COO and CTO ? Sincere apologies if I have not gotten those facts straight.I may be a "troll asshole customer" in your eyes, but I'll happily eat crow if I'm in error.

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DonatorLegendaryActivity: 2240Merit: 1042between a rock and a block! Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 06:48:58 PM #50 Quote from: Aseras on May 02, 2013, 06:31:06 PM Who needs facts when you have the FTC



If you have proof. post it. Otherwise, I would not be saying things like this... Libel and defamation of character is not a good thing to engage in... it can cost you $$$

btw, i'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advise.

If you have proof. post it. Otherwise, I would not be saying things like this... Libel and defamation of character is not a good thing to engage in... it can cost you $$$btw, i'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advise.

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Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



For fuck sakes you fucking trolls!, we are trying to get ISSUES resolved, If you are unaffected by this issue, then dont fucking post here!

I was please to see Inabas username at the head of a post, but when i noticed that All of his attention was fixated on the Trolls in this thread, I cant help but be flagrantly Pissed Off!

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Hero MemberActivity: 529Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:06:32 PM #53 My shipping was downgraded too. I thought I was going crazy glad im not. Has anyone got a response from BFL about this?

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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:08:44 PM #54 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 08:01:14 PM Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



What about problems with Upgrading shipping ?! None of my Single SC orders have a button displayed that allows me to upgrade to faster shipping.



First world problems of the highest order. What about problems with Upgrading shipping ?! None of my Single SC orders have a button displayed that allows me to upgrade to faster shipping.First world problems of the highest order.

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LegendaryActivity: 1190Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:09:12 PM #55 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 08:01:14 PM Guys, I Specifically stated that i would like to keep the # of posts down to a minimum so that we can keep this thread Clean of trollbanter so we can actually get this issue resolved!

Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



For fuck sakes you fucking trolls!, we are trying to get ISSUES resolved, If you are unaffected by this issue, then dont fucking post here!

I was please to see Inabas username at the head of a post, but when i noticed that All of his attention was fixated on the Trolls in this thread, I cant help but be flagrantly Pissed Off!



Really?

Clearly, this is not BFL's fault but instead it is the fault of people totally unrelated to BFL.

Also, you can't use the BFL forums or support infrastructure to resolve your issue because orange and the letter P. Clearly, this is not BFL's fault but instead it is the fault of people totally unrelated to BFL.Also, you can't use the BFL forums or support infrastructure to resolve your issue because orange and the letter P. Bitcoin is backed by the full faith and credit of YouTube comments.

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Hero MemberActivity: 491Merit: 514 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:10:48 PM #56 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 08:01:14 PM Guys, I Specifically stated that i would like to keep the # of posts down to a minimum so that we can keep this thread Clean of trollbanter so we can actually get this issue resolved!

Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



For fuck sakes you fucking trolls!, we are trying to get ISSUES resolved, If you are unaffected by this issue, then dont fucking post here!

I was please to see Inabas username at the head of a post, but when i noticed that All of his attention was fixated on the Trolls in this thread, I cant help but be flagrantly Pissed Off!



LMAO! I think this is the funniest thing I've read yet in the epic JOSH VS BITCOINTALK drama.



/stilleatingpopcorn



P.S. I would trying e-mailing them. You'll have much better luck there as Josh only comes here to roll in the mud with his detractors... LMAO! I think this is the funniest thing I've read yet in the epic JOSH VS BITCOINTALK drama./stilleatingpopcornP.S. I would trying e-mailing them. You'll have much better luck there as Josh only comes here to roll in the mud with his detractors...

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Full MemberActivity: 194Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:11:18 PM #57 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 08:01:14 PM Guys, I Specifically stated that i would like to keep the # of posts down to a minimum so that we can keep this thread Clean of trollbanter so we can actually get this issue resolved!

Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



For fuck sakes you fucking trolls!, we are trying to get ISSUES resolved, If you are unaffected by this issue, then dont fucking post here!

I was please to see Inabas username at the head of a post, but when i noticed that All of his attention was fixated on the Trolls in this thread, I cant help but be flagrantly Pissed Off!





Well this topic does have something to do with BFL so the bfl trolls will be out in force. Not much you can do about that. FWIW I never pay for express shipping as it only tends (in my experience) to save one day.. *shrug* I _suspect_ what's going on is that magneto thing they are using for a store front is using a % of the total order for the express shipping.

Well this topic does have something to do with BFL so the bfl trolls will be out in force. Not much you can do about that. FWIW I never pay for express shipping as it only tends (in my experience) to save one day.. *shrug* I _suspect_ what's going on is that magneto thing they are using for a store front is using a % of the total order for the express shipping. Give me Btc: 1BRkf5bwSVdGCyvu4SyYBiJjEjbNiAQoYd Mine on my node: http://ask.gxsnmp.org:9332/

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Sr. MemberActivity: 457Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:12:04 PM #58 Quote from: JackRabiit on May 02, 2013, 08:01:14 PM Guys, I Specifically stated that i would like to keep the # of posts down to a minimum so that we can keep this thread Clean of trollbanter so we can actually get this issue resolved!

Inaba stepped in here to see wtf was going on with the downgraded shipping, And what does he read? "problem, problem, problem, IM A TROLL, IM TROLLING, FK BFL, ITS INABAS FAULT"



For fuck sakes you fucking trolls!, we are trying to get ISSUES resolved, If you are unaffected by this issue, then dont fucking post here!

I was please to see Inabas username at the head of a post, but when i noticed that All of his attention was fixated on the Trolls in this thread, I cant help but be flagrantly Pissed Off!



Really?!



Him taking time to post for the trolls, but not for you doesn't tell you anything?! I am not involved with BFL in any way, but I can clearly see a company that is deceitful. Don't blame the trolls. Really?!Him taking time to post for the trolls, but not for you doesn't tell you anything?! I am not involved with BFL in any way, but I can clearly see a company that is deceitful. Don't blame the trolls. Homo doctus is se semper divitias habet

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Full MemberActivity: 194Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 08:22:10 PM #60 I would suggest contacting them directly, either by email or if in the US by phone. As it seems any thread that even remotely mentions BFL brings out the trolls in full force..



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Full MemberActivity: 172Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 09:11:36 PM #63 is express shipping supposed to be $258 on a 60 Gh SC Single??



i upgraded but the jump from $34 to $258 seems extreme

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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 10:23:31 PM #65 Quote from: EngMan on May 02, 2013, 10:08:23 PM Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 08:59:18 PM

Please come by the BFL Forums JackRabbit and/or email office@butterfly.com or call to get it straightened out.

You've jumped into this thread twice and still haven't answered anyone's questions Inaba. Why? It could stop the trolls and solve a problem for your infinitely patient customers.

You've jumped into this thread twice and still haven't answered anyone's questions Inaba. Why? It could stop the trolls and solve a problem for your infinitely patient customers.

Josh has said multiple times that he comes here mostly for his own amusement and that BFL is not going to try to offer customer support here. Regardless of what you think of Josh or BFL, they're not the only Bitcoin service which has decided to stop using these forums for engaging their customers. They have a support forum and there's really no reason for their customers not to use it.



Suggesting that JackRabbit email BFL probably wasn't the best idea, though, as people there seem to be very long delays in getting a response from them via that method at the moment. Josh has said multiple times that he comes here mostly for his own amusement and that BFL is not going to try to offer customer support here. Regardless of what you think of Josh or BFL, they're not the only Bitcoin service which has decided to stop using these forums for engaging their customers. They have a support forum and there's really no reason for their customers not to use it.Suggesting that JackRabbit email BFL probably wasn't the best idea, though, as people there seem to be very long delays in getting a response from them via that method at the moment. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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LegendaryActivity: 1428Merit: 1000Okey Dokey Lokey Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 11:06:21 PM #67 Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 08:59:18 PM

Please come by the BFL Forums JackRabbit and/or email office@butterflylabs.com or call to get it straightened out.



For example, you could just "stone wall" anyone who rebuttles about the changed shipping when you get a phone call, or an email.

But if you get a thread of nearly a thousand people screaming "HEY!, YOU CHANGED MY ORDER!" then it becomes MUCH harder to silence them.



I am heavily against one on one conversation when it comes to BFL for this reason, Or almost any company for that matter.



Nevertheless I have sent an email to the listed address. Well the forums are Down, and I do not like the approach of a One on One conversation, the reason being that a company can easy muzzle people One by One, but as a whole voice, it is much harder to reach a Satisfactory deal for both sides.For example, you could just "stone wall" anyone who rebuttles about the changed shipping when you get a phone call, or an email.But if you get a thread of nearly a thousand people screaming "HEY!, YOU CHANGED MY ORDER!" then it becomes MUCH harder to silence them.I am heavily against one on one conversation when it comes to BFL for this reason, Or almost any company for that matter.Nevertheless I have sent an email to the listed address.

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 11:20:08 PM #68 Ok, but you won't get customer support from BFL on these forums, so... just sayin'.



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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 02, 2013, 11:30:26 PM #70 Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 11:20:08 PM Ok, but you won't get customer support from BFL on these forums, so... just sayin'.



Josh and JackRabbit. There are a couple of threads about this over on the BFL forums (I was going to link to them but the forums went down). Maybe Josh could give an indication of when he'll be able to get around to responding in those threads, which would address JackRabbit's concerns (and the concerns of others similarly affected) in a general way now while he waits for it to be sorted out at an individual level.



My perception is that what people are after is a "here's what's going on and here's how we're going to handle it" statement on the issue. Josh and JackRabbit. There are a couple of threads about this over on the BFL forums (I was going to link to them but the forums went down). Maybe Josh could give an indication of when he'll be able to get around to responding in those threads, which would address JackRabbit's concerns (and the concerns of others similarly affected) in a general way now while he waits for it to be sorted out at an individual level.My perception is that what people are after is a "here's what's going on and here's how we're going to handle it" statement on the issue. All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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LegendaryActivity: 1428Merit: 1000Okey Dokey Lokey Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 12:17:40 AM #72 Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 11:20:08 PM Ok, but you won't get customer support from BFL on these forums, so... just sayin'.





Ahh, I see your position now. Gosh that took me too long to figure out that you (may) look at it as "bitcointalk.org is for bitcoins, If you want help with BFL from BFL, Come to our forums"

Please do understand that at the time of me typing this message, the BFL forums are down Ahh, I see your position now. Gosh that took me too long to figure out that you (may) look at it as "bitcointalk.org is for bitcoins, If you want help with BFL from BFL, Come to our forums"Please do understand that at the time of me typing this message, the BFL forums are down

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Hero MemberActivity: 574Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 12:33:34 AM #73 Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:51:52 PM Quote from: YipYip on May 02, 2013, 12:28:23 PM Un-ethical ...their CEO is a covicted fraudster and conman ...gone to prison or club fed whatever it was

Josh\Inaba there wonderous CTO is also a convicted criminal for selling Cable TV codes or whatever it was



Not only is Josh Zerlan / Inaba their CTO, he's also their COO !!!



Dude is going to have a really tough time finding another job after Butterfly Labs, due the mountains of impropriety and unprofessionalism that has been so thoroughly documented here.



Could not happen to a nicer guy.



... and dude has the fucking gall to call people who ask harsh/pointed questions "trolls"



The man has a complete lack of meta-cognition or modicum of self-awareness.





Not only is Josh Zerlan / Inaba their CTO, he's also their COO !!!Dude is going to have a really tough time finding another job after Butterfly Labs, due the mountains of impropriety and unprofessionalism that has been so thoroughly documented here.Could not happen to a nicer guy.... and dude has the fucking gall to call people who ask harsh/pointed questions "trolls"The man has a complete lack of meta-cognition or modicum of self-awareness.

Agreed on his job prospects ......tick tick tick ...his time is coming



Narcissism will blind anybody totally and completely



COO & CTO of a bunch of convicts and fraudsters...its not like we are talking about a fortune 500 company are we



WTF is in kansas anyway except for "Dorothey" ... Agreed on his job prospects ......tick tick tick ...his time is comingNarcissism will blind anybody totally and completelyCOO & CTO of a bunch of convicts and fraudsters...its not like we are talking about a fortune 500 company are weWTF is in kansas anyway except for "Dorothey" ... OBJECT NOT FOUND

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Sr. MemberActivity: 490Merit: 255 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 12:37:52 AM #76 I must confess, as much as I disapprove of Josh and his attitude (though maybe my opinion is colored as a Batch 3 Avalon customer), on this particular thread on this particular page, Josh comes across as a helpful caring representative of a company trying to assist a customer in a very reasonable and useful way.



Have to give credit where credit is due... Bravo!

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LegendaryActivity: 1190Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 12:40:38 AM #77 Quote from: jspielberg on May 03, 2013, 12:37:52 AM I must confess, as much as I disapprove of Josh and his attitude (though maybe my opinion is colored as a Batch 3 Avalon customer), on this particular thread on this particular page, Josh comes across as a helpful caring representative of a company trying to assist a customer in a very reasonable and useful way.



Have to give credit where credit is due... Bravo!



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Sr. MemberActivity: 241Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 01:39:11 AM #80 Doesn't really matter what you post over there on the forum, they VERY rarely respond. You have better luck with twitter it seems.



BTW, the same downgrade to shipping and asking for some over priced "express shipping"(They claim the new price will not expedite you order, which means they are lying to your face about the express shipping cost) happened to me to.





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Hero MemberActivity: 532Merit: 500Carpe Diem Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 03:25:00 AM #81 I have been following this bfl stuff for a month now. Reading what has gone on really worried me...that anyone who would do any preorder with them now has got to be crazy. Now this shipping thing, it's like they are really pulling out all the stops to get as much money as possible. I realize a lot of u r hoping the company comes through but u basically all got ripped off. I'm a lawyer and u absolutely have a class action suit against them...which surely would just put them out of business. Anyways just be careful guys don't get blinded by greed.

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 03:33:01 AM #82 Yeah, you're a lawyer that uses "u" and "r" in the place of words and your grammar is atrocious. Sure, we believe you... no really.

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Full MemberActivity: 237Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 04:17:27 AM #85 I am also affected by this. All my orders were downgraded from Express to Standard. I upgraded the oldest order and paid an extra $162 via BitPay thinking it would upgrade it from the original Express to Overnight or some such.

To make matters worse, the order now shows on the system as $162 still due.







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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 02:39:19 PM #95 Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 02:34:45 PM I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.



Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?



Hypothetically speaking, of course.



Thought exercise, you know ? Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?Hypothetically speaking, of course.Thought exercise, you know ?

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Full MemberActivity: 238Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 02:55:35 PM #96 Quote from: Xian01 on May 03, 2013, 02:39:19 PM Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 02:34:45 PM I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.



Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?



Hypothetically speaking, of course.



Thought exercise, you know ?

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?Hypothetically speaking, of course.Thought exercise, you know ?

I am not speaking for him, but just wanted to point out something. First you reference a "class action suit," which is a civil action, and then use the term "prosecution" which is a criminal action. I would not be surprised to see both at some point, but you need to be clear which answer you are looking for. I am not speaking for him, but just wanted to point out something. First you reference a "class action suit," which is a civil action, and then use the term "prosecution" which is a criminal action. I would not be surprised to see both at some point, but you need to be clear which answer you are looking for.

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NewbieActivity: 10Merit: 0 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 03:22:53 PM #97 My express shipping also got downgraded to standard , it seems to be accross the board , ridiculous ... is anyone's order still showing the express shipping without having to pay up insane amounts ?

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 03:39:55 PM #99 When people were imported into the new system, everyone was put in express shipping. Express shipping wasn't available prior to February, so everyone has been moved back to where they should have been. No ones shipping was downgraded.

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Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?



Hypothetically speaking, of course.



Thought exercise, you know ?

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?Hypothetically speaking, of course.Thought exercise, you know ?

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community. Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

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Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?



Hypothetically speaking, of course.



Thought exercise, you know ?

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?Hypothetically speaking, of course.Thought exercise, you know ?

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

You also fail to mention that the class members end up with essentially NOTHING as the lawyers take half of the judgement, and then the rest of it is usually divvied up among the actual plantiffs. The majority of the people talking about lawsuits would not be members of the class anyway, since they didn't buy anything. Those who did buy something have the choice of requesting a refund, or waiting for their product.



All of the sensible buyers have done that. With the exception of a few special-kind-of-idiot types, the only people who are still trolling BFL with lawsuit threats are people who never bought anything in the first place. And then, of course an occasional ambulance chasers, or troll claiming to be an ambulance chaser... You also fail to mention that the class members end up with essentially NOTHING as the lawyers take half of the judgement, and then the rest of it is usually divvied up among the actual plantiffs. The majority of the people talking about lawsuits would not be members of the class anyway, since they didn't buy anything. Those who did buy something have the choice of requesting a refund, or waiting for their product.All of the sensible buyers have done that. With the exception of a few special-kind-of-idiot types, the only people who are still trolling BFL with lawsuit threats are people who never bought anything in the first place. And then, of course an occasional ambulance chasers, or troll claiming to be an ambulance chaser...



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Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.





What exactly you are trying to claim for damages in this hypothetical lawsuit?



BFL honours refunds, plain and simple. There is not one single person who can verifiably say they didn't get a refund so you can't claim they didn't refund you. Pain and suffering? That's a joke and you would get laughed out of court. Missed opportunity to profit on the coins you didn't mine if you had had them when they promised? Again, unprovable and discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. No leg to stand on.



It's a pre-order, in development, common sense is that you wait until it's done or get your refund.



This discussion is ridiculous. What exactly you are trying to claim for damages in this hypothetical lawsuit?BFL honours refunds, plain and simple. There is not one single person who can verifiably say they didn't get a refund so you can't claim they didn't refund you. Pain and suffering? That's a joke and you would get laughed out of court. Missed opportunity to profit on the coins you didn't mine if you had had them when they promised? Again, unprovable and discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. No leg to stand on.It's a pre-order, in development, common sense is that you wait until it's done or get your refund.This discussion is ridiculous. 1YogAFA... (oh, nevermind)

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Full MemberActivity: 224Merit: 100One bitcoin to rule them all! Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 05:44:10 PM #105 Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 03:25:00 AM I have been following this bfl stuff for a month now. Reading what has gone on really worried me...that anyone who would do any preorder with them now has got to be crazy. Now this shipping thing, it's like they are really pulling out all the stops to get as much money as possible. I realize a lot of u r hoping the company comes through but u basically all got ripped off. I'm a lawyer and u absolutely have a class action suit against them...which surely would just put them out of business. Anyways just be careful guys don't get blinded by greed.



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To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?

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Hero MemberActivity: 658Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 07:50:09 PM #108 Quote from: Inaba on May 03, 2013, 03:39:55 PM When people were imported into the new system, everyone was put in express shipping. Express shipping wasn't available prior to February, so everyone has been moved back to where they should have been. No ones shipping was downgraded.





are you feeling ok? I mean this post was helpful.



you should go get checked out.



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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 07:56:52 PM #109 Don't post lies, BS or be a dick and you get helpful answers. Pretty simple cause and effect.

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To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?



I'm still trying to figure out what the basis would be? Sue them over what? Then what remedy would you request from the court?



I'm still trying to figure out what the basis would be? Sue them over what? Then what remedy would you request from the court?

I refer you to the sentence you responded to: "To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?"



Then you could have breach of contract, fraud, misrepresentation, interference in business relations, among others. Listen I'm not saying there IS a cause of action against BFL, I started just by saying I would be really careful about buying anything from them now, or paying them any more money for this shipping. I refer you to the sentence you responded to: "To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?"Then you could have breach of contract, fraud, misrepresentation, interference in business relations, among others. Listen I'm not saying there IS a cause of action against BFL, I started just by saying I would be really careful about buying anything from them now, or paying them any more money for this shipping.

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LegendaryActivity: 1449Merit: 1013Cryptanalyst castrated by his government, 1952 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 09:37:18 PM #118 Quote from: Inaba on May 03, 2013, 03:39:55 PM When people were imported into the new system, everyone was put in express shipping. Express shipping wasn't available prior to February, so everyone has been moved back to where they should have been. No ones shipping was downgraded.





That's REALLY important, if true, and I hope/assume it is.



Josh - please, please keep posting this kind of factual stuff, rather than nipping at the heels of your tormentors.



You all know this, right?... "Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."



My corollary is "From the outside, it always looks like two pigs are wrestling."



That's REALLY important, if true, and I hope/assume it is.Josh - please, please keep posting this kind of factual stuff, rather than nipping at the heels of your tormentors.You all know this, right?... "Never wrestle a pig in a mudhole. You both get dirty, and the pig enjoys it."My corollary is "From the outside, it always looks like two pigs are wrestling."

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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 10:57:41 PM #120 Quote from: smoothie on May 03, 2013, 10:31:02 PM Quote from: Inaba on May 03, 2013, 07:56:52 PM Don't post lies, BS or be a dick and you get helpful answers. Pretty simple cause and effect.

Wow I love this. Conditional quality customer service. Customer gives you money and based on how you like or don't like customer responses you will judge them individually? Wow....just wow.

Perhaps now we are all justified in judging you as the scummy fuck you are based on your lies and deceitful tactics to sucker in more customers to keep your ponzi going.

Wow I love this. Conditional quality customer service. Customer gives you money and based on how you like or don't like customer responses you will judge them individually? Wow....just wow.Perhaps now we are all justified in judging you as the scummy fuck you are based on your lies and deceitful tactics to sucker in more customers to keep your ponzi going.

This sums up Josh Zerlan's delusional professional outlook quite succinctly. "Conditional Customer Service".



And you know what the saddest part about all of that, is that in Josh's mind, he probably feels 100% unwaveringly justified in having that attitude due to a complete and utter lack of self-awareness and a firm mental rooting in his own virtual reality.



I mean, if he's going to have his megalomaniacal temper tantrums and silence customers on their forums / shoutbox with thousands of dollars in preorders, then there is just no dealing with the man. Professionally or otherwise.



Dude has "loose-cannon" written all over him. It's people like him that sink companies unless management gets things in check pronto.



... and remember folks. Josh himself recently admitted that these forums are not relevant to their business at all, which begs the question "Why does he continue posting here if he does not consider this place important ? Why does he continue advertising here ?"



Calling Josh Zerlan a "scummy fuck" is a pretty accurate salvo. This sums up Josh Zerlan's delusional professional outlook quite succinctly. "Conditional Customer Service".And you know what the saddest part about all of that, is that in Josh's mind, he probably feels 100% unwaveringly justified in having that attitude due to a complete and utter lack of self-awareness and a firm mental rooting in his own virtual reality.I mean, if he's going to have his megalomaniacal temper tantrums and silence customers on their forums / shoutbox with thousands of dollars in preorders, then there is just no dealing with the man. Professionally or otherwise.Dude has "loose-cannon" written all over him. It's people like him that sink companies unless management gets things in check pronto.... and remember folks. Josh himself recently admitted that these forums are not relevant to their business at all, which begs the question "Why does he continue posting here if he does not consider this place important ? Why does he continue advertising here ?"Calling Josh Zerlan a "scummy fuck" is a pretty accurate salvo.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 434Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 03, 2013, 11:19:17 PM #122 So, to break up the lovefest for josh this is what I'm understanding.



Early buyers put orders in. Shipping said express but they didn't pay for express.



From my understanding these people paid the regular rate, and not the express rate other people paid and now want express because it said express previously?



curious as to the facts and not this BS name calling.



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Sr. MemberActivity: 434Merit: 250 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 12:44:43 AM #123 Quote from: PuertoLibre on May 04, 2013, 12:31:43 AM Quote from: minternj on May 03, 2013, 11:19:17 PM So, to break up the lovefest for josh this is what I'm understanding.



Early buyers put orders in. Shipping said express but they didn't pay for express.



From my understanding these people paid the regular rate, and not the express rate other people paid and now want express because it said express previously?



curious as to the facts and not this BS name calling.



I believe you should take off that fuzzy filter from your screen.



The correct understanding is that some customers had paid for express shipping. There was an error and now many customers orders are showing standard shipping instead of express shipping.



It is what it is.

I believe you should take off that fuzzy filter from your screen.The correct understanding is that some customers had paid for express shipping. There was an error and now many customers orders are showing standard shipping instead of express shipping.It is what it is.

How about you let the people who had the shipping issue answer. You have very little understanding besides your strange obsession with josh. Should get some help for that. How about you let the people who had the shipping issue answer. You have very little understanding besides your strange obsession with josh. Should get some help for that.

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https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2301-express-shipping-%24400-gold-pterodactyls.html

Don't drink the kool aid. It makes you less lucid.



I drink cool aid all the time, it doesn't make me less lucid. May give me diabtes, but what the hell you live once.



What does that link have to do with what I asked. I'm just asking if these people paid a express shipping rate previously.



Controversy is solved(not really, but explained) by comparing what these people paid for "express" to what other people paid for regular after the express option was added. I drink cool aid all the time, it doesn't make me less lucid. May give me diabtes, but what the hell you live once.What does that link have to do with what I asked. I'm just asking if these people paid a express shipping rate previously.Controversy is solved(not really, but explained) by comparing what these people paid for "express" to what other people paid for regular after the express option was added.

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LegendaryActivity: 1176Merit: 1005 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 03:34:49 AM #128 Quote from: Xian01 on May 03, 2013, 10:57:41 PM And you know what the saddest part about all of that, is that in Josh's mind, he probably feels 100% unwaveringly justified in having that attitude due to a complete and utter lack of self-awareness and a firm mental rooting in his own virtual reality.

Who's to tell him otherwise? He has a stable of suckers willing to sit there while he pisses in their face, and they come back and ask for more. Who's to tell him otherwise? He has a stable of suckers willing to sit there while he pisses in their face, and they come back and ask for more.

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 06:40:41 AM #130 Quote from: Inaba on May 03, 2013, 07:56:52 PM Don't post lies, BS or be a dick and you get helpful answers. Pretty simple cause and effect.





Ok, Why do my receipts from when I ordered last year say express shipping on them if I don't have express shipping? Why would I need to pay a additional 3k just to have a handful of boxes shipped a few hundred miles? Are we only talking about express shipping through usps? There one of the worst ways to ship packages. Unless the new singles are the size of a average car, I don't know what's going on here.







Ok, Why do my receipts from when I ordered last year say express shipping on them if I don't have express shipping? Why would I need to pay a additional 3k just to have a handful of boxes shipped a few hundred miles? Are we only talking about express shipping through usps? There one of the worst ways to ship packages. Unless the new singles are the size of a average car, I don't know what's going on here.

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LegendaryActivity: 1176Merit: 1005 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 07:20:22 AM #132 Quote from: Beans on May 04, 2013, 06:40:41 AM Ok, Why do my receipts from when I ordered last year say express shipping on them if I don't have express shipping? Why would I need to pay a additional 3k just to have a handful of boxes shipped a few hundred miles? Are we only talking about express shipping through usps? There one of the worst ways to ship packages. Unless the new singles are the size of a average car, I don't know what's going on here.

I'm in a generous mood. I'll save Josh the trouble of his inevitable response.



Quote Fuck you! Eat shit! You don't even deserve an answer, you fucking troll!

See? I'm even speedier at providing standard BFL customer support than they are.



You're welcome. I'm in a generous mood. I'll save Josh the trouble of his inevitable response.See? I'm even speedier at providing standard BFL customer support than they are.You're welcome.

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LegendaryActivity: 1512Merit: 1028Christian Antkow Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 07:39:07 AM #134 Quote from: Beans on May 04, 2013, 06:40:41 AM Ok, Why do my receipts from when I ordered last year say express shipping on them if I don't have express shipping?



Now that you mentioned it, I went through all my previous orders, and I never did receive email invoices for any of my orders.



Hrmph.



My orders are definitely in my BFL Customer account, and I recall seeing an invoice in the web browser after using BitPay, but nothing was ever emailed out best I can tell.



Only thing I can find in my email search is this email form response once my order was processed. No formal email invoice from either Bit-Pay or Butterfly Labs for any of my orders.





Thank you for placing your BitForce Single SC order.



This is confirmation that your order was successfully placed in our system.



If you've chosen an instant payment method and have completed that transaction, then your order is confirmed. If you've chosen a payment method that requires additional information such as a bank wire transfer instructions, please stand by for an email from customer service within the next business day.



Kind regards,



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BF Labs Inc. Now that you mentioned it, I went through all my previous orders, and I never did receive email invoices for any of my orders.Hrmph.My orders are definitely in my BFL Customer account, and I recall seeing an invoice in the web browser after using BitPay, but nothing was ever emailed out best I can tell.Only thing I can find in my email search is this email form response once my order was processed. No formal email invoice from either Bit-Pay or Butterfly Labs for any of my orders.

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 08:32:20 AM #135 Quote from: Xian01 on May 04, 2013, 07:39:07 AM Quote from: Beans on May 04, 2013, 06:40:41 AM Ok, Why do my receipts from when I ordered last year say express shipping on them if I don't have express shipping?



Now that you mentioned it, I went through all my previous orders, and I never did receive email invoices for any of my orders.



Hrmph.



My orders are definitely in my BFL Customer account, and I recall seeing an invoice in the web browser after using BitPay, but nothing was ever emailed out best I can tell.



Only thing I can find in my email search is this email form response once my order was processed. No formal email invoice from either Bit-Pay or Butterfly Labs for any of my orders.





Thank you for placing your BitForce Single SC order.



This is confirmation that your order was successfully placed in our system.



If you've chosen an instant payment method and have completed that transaction, then your order is confirmed. If you've chosen a payment method that requires additional information such as a bank wire transfer instructions, please stand by for an email from customer service within the next business day.



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Now that you mentioned it, I went through all my previous orders, and I never did receive email invoices for any of my orders.Hrmph.My orders are definitely in my BFL Customer account, and I recall seeing an invoice in the web browser after using BitPay, but nothing was ever emailed out best I can tell.Only thing I can find in my email search is this email form response once my order was processed. No formal email invoice from either Bit-Pay or Butterfly Labs for any of my orders.

You just login to the site and use your order number to view the receipt. I have them printed out, they all say express shipping. If you login and look now though, they have all been switch to standard shipping. There asking for $610 dollars to ship just one of my packages, that's on top of what I gave them for express shipping the first time. You just login to the site and use your order number to view the receipt. I have them printed out, they all say express shipping. If you login and look now though, they have all been switch to standard shipping. There asking for $610 dollars to ship just one of my packages, that's on top of what I gave them for express shipping the first time.

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 04:32:12 PM #136 If you paid prior to February for shipping, you didn't pay for express shipping. All shipping was called express shipping prior to that, which is what the USPS calls it. Express shipping is now and upgrade from standard shipping, which is still USPS's Express Shipping.



Don't blame me because the USPS calls their regular shipping "express shipping."



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Don't blame me because the USPS calls their regular shipping "express shipping."







Express is not exclusive to usps. It's a actual term. Obviously you guys know that, why else would you change it at the last minute? You could at least charge a reasonable price, these are price gouging rates. After delays, no customer support, missing specs and shipping orders out of position. You could at least do right by the customers this time... It's doesn't help offering a second shipping option anyway. It's just a last minute way to rake in more profits. And no one wants to go through usps anyway, they have the worst service of anyone. Express is not exclusive to usps. It's a actual term. Obviously you guys know that, why else would you change it at the last minute? You could at least charge a reasonable price, these are price gouging rates. After delays, no customer support, missing specs and shipping orders out of position. You could at least do right by the customers this time... It's doesn't help offering a second shipping option anyway. It's just a last minute way to rake in more profits. And no one wants to go through usps anyway, they have the worst service of anyone.

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Don't blame me because the USPS calls their regular shipping "express shipping."







Express is not exclusive to usps. It's a actual term. Obviously you guys know that, why else would you change it at the last minute? You could at least charge a reasonable price, these are price gouging rates. After delays, no customer support, missing specs and shipping orders out of position. You could at least do right by the customers this time... It's doesn't help offering a second shipping option anyway. It's just a last minute way to rake in more profits. And no one wants to go through usps anyway, they have the worst service of anyone.

Express is not exclusive to usps. It's a actual term. Obviously you guys know that, why else would you change it at the last minute? You could at least charge a reasonable price, these are price gouging rates. After delays, no customer support, missing specs and shipping orders out of position. You could at least do right by the customers this time... It's doesn't help offering a second shipping option anyway. It's just a last minute way to rake in more profits. And no one wants to go through usps anyway, they have the worst service of anyone.



I confused international service rates with domestic service rates.



!) Domestically, there is only 1 type of express service offered by USPS.

USPS Express Mail (Overnight):



!) Internationally, there are 2 types of Express service offered by USPS.

USPS Express Mail International: 3 to 5 day service

USPS GXG: 1 to 3 day service (via FedEx)



https://www.usps.com/ship/express-mail-international.htm





No matter how I look at it. Inaba is simply not being accurate. Take a look.

Unfortunately, I have been looking and there only appears to be 1 express mail service for USPS.I confused international service rates with domestic service rates.!) Domestically, there is only 1 type of express service offered by USPS.USPS Express Mail (Overnight): https://www.usps.com/ship/express-mail.htm !) Internationally, there are 2 types of Express service offered by USPS.USPS Express Mail International: 3 to 5 day serviceUSPS GXG: 1 to 3 day service (via FedEx)No matter how I look at it. Inaba is simply not being accurate.

So, if I take it all together that would mean that if one is in the US that all their pre-February orders will be USPS Express mail, hence subject to overnight delivery? So, if I take it all together that would mean that if one is in the US that all their pre-February orders will be USPS Express mail, hence subject to overnight delivery?

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 09:20:31 PM #145 You know what? I did not set up the original shipping and I don't know anything about the original shipping. If you didn't pay for overnight shipping (which you didn't) then you aren't getting overnight shipping. If you paid for shipping prior to February, you paid for standard shipping and that's what you're getting, whatever name you want to call it. Chances are, if you paid for shipping after February, you also paid for standard shipping. There is no one that paid "extra" for expedited shipping prior to that.



If you want to upgrade your shipping, upgrade your shipping. If you don't, then don't, it's as simple as that. You can call the shipping anything you want, it doesn't matter to me.



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If you want to upgrade your shipping, upgrade your shipping. If you don't, then don't, it's as simple as that.





That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.



I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:



Shipping Method

Express Shipping - Only



Yea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.



I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.



I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.



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That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:Shipping MethodExpress Shipping - OnlyYea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.Thanks

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NewbieActivity: 59Merit: 0 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 10:14:23 PM #148 Quote from: Inaba on May 04, 2013, 09:20:31 PM You know what? I did not set up the original shipping and I don't know anything about the original shipping. If you didn't pay for overnight shipping (which you didn't) then you aren't getting overnight shipping. If you paid for shipping prior to February, you paid for standard shipping and that's what you're getting, whatever name you want to call it. Chances are, if you paid for shipping after February, you also paid for standard shipping. There is no one that paid "extra" for expedited shipping prior to that.



If you want to upgrade your shipping, upgrade your shipping. If you don't, then don't, it's as simple as that. You can call the shipping anything you want, it doesn't matter to me.







Based on the USPS menu it looks like the only other 2 viable options are Priority Mail (2-3 days conus) or Standard Post (2-8 days conus). For those that may be on the fence about upgrading shipping it would be good to know exactly which service they are currently subject to in order to make an educated decision. Based on the USPS menu it looks like the only other 2 viable options are Priority Mail (2-3 days conus) or Standard Post (2-8 days conus). For those that may be on the fence about upgrading shipping it would be good to know exactly which service they are currently subject to in order to make an educated decision.

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LegendaryActivity: 1260Merit: 1000 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 04, 2013, 11:07:33 PM #149 A cash grab huh? You mean other than the fact that we don't want to offer upgraded shipping and we have resisted for a long time? I had to push fairly hard to get it at all because so many people kept demanding it. No upgraded shipping is a pain in the ass and we don't want to offer it at all.



Like I said, take it or leave it. We would rather not upgrade your shipping as it incurs too much overhead, so please don't upgrade. If you're searching these lines for a point, you've probably missed it. There was never anything there in the first place.

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Full MemberActivity: 237Merit: 100 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 05, 2013, 12:09:59 AM #151 Quote from: aigeezer on May 04, 2013, 09:47:21 PM Quote from: Inaba on May 04, 2013, 09:20:31 PM

If you want to upgrade your shipping, upgrade your shipping. If you don't, then don't, it's as simple as that.





That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.



I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:



Shipping Method

Express Shipping - Only



Yea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.



I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.



I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.



Thanks





That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:Shipping MethodExpress Shipping - OnlyYea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.Thanks I had the same experience of paying the BTC for the shipping upgrade, and it still shows as payment due.

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MemberActivity: 96Merit: 10 Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 05, 2013, 03:57:38 AM #153 As a person who receives a lot of mail by USPS flat rate boxes (but typically not overnight), I take USPS Express to mean "overnight". There is priority and there is express. I'm not sure what the different tiers are in other mailing methods. Good luck with your problems.

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MemberActivity: 66Merit: 10Global Currency for Global Unity Re: BFL Downgraded my shipping?! May 05, 2013, 04:49:23 AM #154 Quote from: peterepeat on May 05, 2013, 12:09:59 AM Quote from: aigeezer on May 04, 2013, 09:47:21 PM Quote from: Inaba on May 04, 2013, 09:20:31 PM

If you want to upgrade your shipping, upgrade your shipping. If you don't, then don't, it's as simple as that.





That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.



I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:



Shipping Method

Express Shipping - Only



Yea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.



I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.



I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.



Thanks





That's good, but there's another messy bit that I hope you can clarify.I upgraded my shipping a couple of days ago, paid through Bitpay from the BFL site and saw my order status change to:Shipping MethodExpress Shipping - OnlyYea! However, there is another new box that says "Upgrade Pending" and another that says "Amount due $95.00" even though I paid.I gather from chatter on the BFL forums that others are seeing this kind of thing also.I'm hoping you can post a generic clarification for people in this situation. So far, I've not sent individual help requests when the issue looks generic - I always look here and in BFL forums for answers to issues that seem to be generic.Thanks

I had the same experience of paying the BTC for the shipping upgrade, and it still shows as payment due.

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I experienced this as well. Upgraded shipping via BitPay, everything looked good, I got the green confirmation that payment was received in full and everything, but now more than 3 days later, it still says I have payment due. My order number is quite low (16xx), so I expect shipping to start soon and I would hate for it to be delayed because of some error in the system. Do these upgrades and payments need to be verified manually?



Josh, since you are answering questions in this thread, could you please take a moment to address this? At least we are being civil and polite about it, and I feel it is a legitimate concern. Thanks in advance for any clarification



Hi,I experienced this as well. Upgraded shipping via BitPay, everything looked good, I got the green confirmation that payment was received in full and everything, but now more than 3 days later, it still says I have payment due. My order number is quite low (16xx), so I expect shipping to start soon and I would hate for it to be delayed because of some err