@MI

No Chance, on the contrary, I was giving out factual data to cheer up P. Weston, as to me his comment reflected a picture of extreme doom and gloom, and with too much pessimism, all most suicidal.

Just, as you have pointed out the key areas of action, it will make the likes of P. Weston a bit more hopeful, however, unless I misread it, and unlike you he was implying a Britain for the natives only, but if I somehow misunderstood it I will retract my question to him.

I haven’t attempted to lecture anyone, whatever gave you that notion, God forbid. And further more I can’t be confused about Islamists, I have studied their nature and ways for over nine years specifically and experienced it over 30 yrs or so, and as I said, I had been beating this particular drum for longer than most, rest have just woken up after 9/11.

Here is an extract that I had debated with a Muslim on a different blog but on the same topic, hope this will put your mind at rest and stop doubting my intentions.

“REPLY "HALAL"

The Difference is that your method is long and drawn where the animal suffers a slow and Torturous death, not a quick and humane death, in any case you conveniently left the rest of my questions out, haven't you got anything to say about the most pertinent and relevant abuses.???? Look up the dictionary for the meaning of progressive.

Why do you always consider the Muslims as purveyors and guardians of ‘Morality’ when the evidence the world over is to the contrary, your lot are up to their eyeballs in anything loose morals just that they hide it even from themselves, as they haven't the courage to own up to it , at a XMAS party on Sunday, I witnessed the morality of Muslims, there they were drinking, smoking, and letching after women (difference was that they weren't Muslim girls, they had conveniently left their spouses at home) so it makes it OK, and as it was done in the name of Christianity it make it right?

And as far being sexually promiscuous is concerned, not all Christians are either, and yet in your society, everything is suppressed and leads to heinous acts of barbarism against the person, in sexual terms, it is one thing, to have a book that forbids it and another to actually follow it, why then are the statistics of Rape and gang rapes in abundance pointing the finger at the Islamic community, the more something is suppressed the more evil, oppressive and immoral it becomes, and the more open it becomes, it stays clean and un oppressive. Is that why you lot keep your women in the veil, and oppressed so that the truth doesn’t surface.

You never had any answer to the previous acts of Islamic Morality that I put to you…

Muslims are still at it all over the world, they are involved in forcefully converting Hindu, Sikh and Christian school and college girls making them do shameful acts and videoing it and then blackmailing them to get their sisters and friends, or else they would go public with the material, this happens even in this country. So the Muslims shouldn’t accuse others of such demonic activities when they are the leaders in this field.

Please answer my question, can your lot ditch the barbaric activities inherently inscribed within Islamic texts and become progressive or not?

Can you say it openly that your lot will renounce violence against non Muslims?

And by the way no one is asking you to give up any morals, but only to dust off the preaching’s of hatred and violence from the Koran and come to the 21st Century. I wonder if you can be that first one and lead your people to the present instead of living in the Dark Ages?

Andrew,

Shan is just trying to defend the indefensible, and therein lies the problem with most Muslims, they can’t take constructive criticism, instead come out with some of the most obvious and blatantly ridiculous arguments in defense, instead of accepting the truth that there are bad Muslims as well as good ones, like any other community and condemning the wrong they inadvertently end up defending the guilty ones, hence exacerbating the situation, this seems to be an inherent weakness of Islam and its people.

And an example of this is demonstrated in Shan’s reply to my question, he comes out with accusations in his defense rather than either defending the argument by agreeing with it or condemning it by disagreeing with it, this is generally, the case when people feel angry with themselves for the actions of their kin folk in letting them down and feel, that the whole ‘religion’ is under scrutiny, and this is particularly applicable to people of Islamic faith, because ‘tolerance’ is not one of its strong traits."



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