Ben Carson on Tuesday tried to convince a baffled CNN host that perhaps “the problem” with a leaked tape in which Donald Trump describes groping women without waiting for their consent is that she hadn’t heard more stories like that.

The Trump surrogate and advisor, who informed Fox News over the weekend that the campaign was bracing for the release of more tapes, told CNN’s Brianna Keilar that Trump’s comments about grabbing women “by the pussy” weren’t “right,” but were typical male banter.

“Where are you hanging out and with whom are you hanging out that you hear people talking like that?” Keilar asked Carson, who dismissed the comments as “locker room” talk.

“As I was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquest, and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the Don Casanova,” Carson replied, blinking and waving his hands theatrically. “I’m surprised you haven’t heard that. I really am.”

“I haven’t heard it and I know a lot of people who have not heard it,” Keilar replied.

“Maybe that’s the problem,” Carson said. “Maybe that’s the problem.”

“The problem is that I haven’t—” Keilar began to ask before both fell silent.

“Maybe, maybe that’s the problem,” Carson continued. “But—whether they’ve heard it or not, the issue is the train that’s going off the cliff. We can come back after we save the country, after we keep the train from going off the cliff. And I would welcome, quite frankly, a discussion of morality in this country.”

Keilar wrapped up the interview soon after, pointedly noting that the leaked Trump video “may have prompted a conversation about some values.”

Watch below via The Daily Beast’s Andrew Kirell: