“Objectivity is short-hand for not having a significant pre-conceived agenda, eliding facts the audience would be interested in, or engaging in obvious falsehoods.” ~ WikiLeaks

Presented below are over 11,000 messages from the WikiLeaks + 10 chat, from which only excerpts have previously been published.

The chat is presented nearly in its entirety, with only a handful redactions made to protect the privacy and personal information of innocent, third parties as well as the already public name of an individual who has sent hate mail, made legal threats and who the source for the DMs considers a threat. It is at the request of the source that Mark’s full name is redacted, leaving only his first name and his initials (which he specified is alright). Though MGT’s full name is already public and easily discoverable, the source’s wishes are being respected. Beyond this individual, the redactions don’t include any information that’s relevant to understanding WikiLeaks or their activities.

The chat log shows WikiLeaks’ private attitudes, their use of FOIA laws, as well as discussions about WikiLeaks’ lobbying and attempts to “humiliate” politicians, PR and propaganda efforts (such as establishing a “medium term truth” for “phase 2”), troll operations, attempts to engineer situations where WikiLeaks would be able to sue their critics, and in some instances where WikiLeaks helped direct lawsuits filed by third parties or encouraged criminal investigations against their opponents. In some instances, the chats are revealing. In others, they show a mundane consistency with WikiLeaks’ public stances. A few are provocative and confounding.

The extract below was created using DMArchiver, and is presented as pure text to make it easier to search and to provide as much metadata as possible (i.e. times as well as dates). The formatting is presented as-is, and shows users’ display names rather than their twitter handles. (Note: Emmy B is @GreekEmmy, not the author.)

CW: At various points in the chat, there are examples of homophobia, transphobia, ableism, sexism, racism, antisemitism and other objectionable content and language. Some of these are couched as jokes, but are still likely to (and should) offend, as a racist or sexist jokes doesn’t cease to be racist or sexist because of an expected or desired laugh. Attempts to dismiss of these comments as “ironic” or “just trolling” merely invites comparisons to 4chan and ironic nazis. These comments, though offensive, are included in order to present as full and complete a record as possible and to let readers judge the context, purpose and merit of these comments for themselves.

If any current or former staffers, volunteers or hackers wants to add to my growing collection of leaks from within #WikiLeaks, please reach out. DMs are open and I’m EmmaBest on Wire. — Emma Best (ᴜ//ғᴏᴜᴏ) 🏳️‍🌈 (@NatSecGeek) June 28, 2018

[2015-05-01 13:52:11] <noll> group Dm on Wls related trolls activity, incoming events & general topics.

[2015-05-01 13:53:39] <WikiLeaks> There’s a race on now to ‘spoil’ our new submission system beta.

[2015-05-01 13:55:02] <WikiLeaks> Greenberg, who palled up with the openleaks people, launched an attack on wired. Annoying if that framing starts to spread. Verge…

[2015-05-01 13:55:53] <WikiLeaks> ..stripped the hostility. We’re putting out a statement to soon. The interplay will be surprised by the election in the UK and the weekend.

[2015-05-01 13:56:03] <WikiLeaks> suppressed.

[2015-05-01 14:01:26] <noll> yes, both Wired & Verge contained DDB’s line of attack. how anyone could fall for OL says it all. expect submissions portal will face –

[2015-05-01 14:02:37] <noll> – cyber attacks. must be one of, if not the most scrutinized area of cyberspace atm.

[2015-05-01 14:03:55] <WikiLeaks> Greenberg is a partisan. Fraudulent to quote the narrative of such people without mentioning the OpenLeaks vaporware plot.

[2015-05-01 14:29:48] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/m_cetera/status/594197325729378304 the OL ‘quote’ manages to contradict itself w/i three lines. which seems indicative of DDB.

[2015-05-01 14:32:09] <WISE Up Action> Hi all. More comfortable discussing stuff in here to be honest.

[2015-05-01 14:37:33] <noll> hi Wise Up. good to see you. yep, agree.

[2015-05-01 14:40:49] <WikiLeaks> We will have a statement in 5mins

[2015-05-01 14:41:31] <WikiLeaks> The Next Web now is the most positive.

[2015-05-01 14:43:08] <WikiLeaks> @AnnieDarkhorse seems pretty reliable too

[2015-05-01 14:43:19] <LibertarianLibrarian> Glad to see all. I’ll pick up on the statement and RT. Hopefully, these attacks will fail spectacularly.

[2015-05-01 14:43:50] <noll> will add.

[2015-05-01 14:45:16] <WikiLeaks> @karwalski also

[2015-05-01 14:45:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> Agree re Annie. I’m corresponding with @voidiss, she’s solid adn enthusiastic, but she’s very young. Might let her keep picking up from me.

[DMConversationEntry] You added Matt Watt

[2015-05-01 14:47:22] <noll> we’re adding annie, & not much is happening..

[2015-05-01 14:48:41] <noll> Jen, agree.

[2015-05-01 14:52:46] <noll> Jen, could you try adding @AnnieDarkhorse?

[2015-05-01 15:07:29] <noll> any thoughts on whether @DouglasLucas would be interested?

[2015-05-01 15:11:02] <LibertarianLibrarian> I just tried to add Annie. Not sure if it did anything.

[2015-05-01 15:11:35] <WikiLeaks> See https://wikileaks.org/Some-notes-on-the-new-WikiLeaks.html

[2015-05-01 15:12:21] <noll> we’re seeing this at top of group Dm window: “Darkhorse could not be added”. we’ve sent Dm asking her to check Dm settings.

[2015-05-01 15:12:47] <noll> Wls, will tweet out.

[2015-05-01 15:13:33] <WikiLeaks> DL’s a great guy, but prefer not to have journalists here. Too tempting for them to turn such conversations into a story.

[2015-05-01 15:16:15] <WISE Up Action> Ok to invite ‘Wales’

[2015-05-01 15:23:44] <noll> understand. / Action, Wales is invited, go to ‘View people’ which is under the: … top right.

[2015-05-01 15:24:37] <WikiLeaks> What’s Wales?

[2015-05-01 15:25:25] <noll> @WISEUpWales

[2015-05-01 15:25:55] <WikiLeaks> Definitely.

[2015-05-01 15:27:18] <LibertarianLibrarian> Tweeted out on https://wikileaks.org/Some-notes-on-the-new-WikiLeaks.html

[2015-05-01 15:28:08] <WISE Up Action> H: ok cheers

[2015-05-01 15:28:21] <WISE Up Action> Night Jenny!

[2015-05-01 15:31:17] <noll> good night Jen :o)

[2015-05-01 15:51:46] <WikiLeaks> Someone tells us that DarkHorse doesn’t play with others, so perhaps not her.

[2015-05-01 15:56:59] <noll> understood, will drop it.

[2015-05-01 16:23:54] <Matt Watt> Hey, have shared the nextgen link. Assume this group is for distro of important links?

[2015-05-01 16:27:57] <WikiLeaks> Yes and advance notice of hostile twitter PR.

[2015-05-01 16:30:03] <Matt Watt> Ok sounds good.

[2015-05-01 16:49:45] <WikiLeaks> @SAWCSydney is also good

[2015-05-01 16:55:05] <noll> not sure we can add b/c they don’t follow us. can someone else?

[DMConversationEntry] M added SAWC Sydney

[2015-05-01 17:02:47] <Matt Watt> Sawcsydney is mainly automated tweets from their facebook page now, as is wikileaksparty. I will give Ian headsup re sawcsydney

[2015-05-01 17:11:03] <noll> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-dea-is-coming-under-congressional-scrutiny-for-buying-hacking-toolshttps://www.wikileaks.org/the-spyfiles.html

[2015-05-01 17:38:50] <noll> re “more publications – free trade deals”, TPP already feature of Sanders/ Clinton race, would be great to nudge campaigns into citing Wls.

[2015-05-01 17:44:56] <WikiLeaks> We’re doing well with TPP in US.

[2015-05-01 17:45:12] <noll> also, great article by Kellie Tranter: http://kellietranter.com/2015/04/futility-regret/

[2015-05-01 17:48:57] <noll> yes. & looks like becoming major campaign issue w/ Clinton forced to follow Sanders lead “to neutralize him”: http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2015/5/1/pt_2_ralph_nader_on_bernie

[2015-05-01 17:50:25] <WikiLeaks> We don’t like tranter’s article, much. Poor rhetoric and all Assange traffic in the cables was moved to intel channels are a result of…

[2015-05-01 17:50:43] <WikiLeaks> …Dorlings constant FOIAs.

[2015-05-01 17:51:24] <WikiLeaks> It’s meant well, but she gives the enemies points, which there is no need to do, high up, then burries ours.

[2015-05-01 17:52:38] <WikiLeaks> e.g no need to faff about with grand jury to and fro. The US admits it, as of this year. End of argument.

[2015-05-01 17:53:44] <WikiLeaks> No need to go into muddying speculations about absense of evidence in Australian FOIAd cables. US admits it and recently.

[2015-05-01 17:54:36] <WikiLeaks> This ‘detailitis’ is a nasty disease that affects quite a few of our supporters and prevents them using the strongest point, straight up.

[2015-05-01 17:59:01] <noll> haha we thought ‘in case they leaked’. agree re Grand Jury, we love detail, but yep, it’s good to have the latest & strongest to hand, –

[2015-05-01 18:01:16] <noll> – speaking of which, last third of article implies Wls ended w/ Manning, rather than coming full circle, as seen today.

[2015-05-01 18:21:13] <noll> IoC’s Mapping Media Freedom including “cases of trolling & online abuse against journalists”: https://www.indexoncensorship.org/europes-journalists-face-growing-climate-of-fear/

[2015-05-01 18:32:26] <WikiLeaks> Yes. Committee to Project Journalsts (CPJ), which is HQ’d in NY, engages in detailing such horrors in Ecuador as cab drivers abusing…

[2015-05-01 18:33:03] <WikiLeaks> …journalists for being inaccurate sleaze bags thanks to Correa naming and shaming their articles.

[2015-05-01 18:34:39] <noll> sleaze bags – turn on Fox News & watch the ‘Mike’ interview.

[2015-05-01 18:36:28] <noll> think it’s reaching the end. on that basis CPJ should investigate Correspondents Dinner.

[2015-05-01 19:31:24] <noll> if this is end of cryptography, it’s getting closer: http://phys.org/news/2015-04-scientists-critical-quantum.html

[2015-05-02 05:52:25] <noll> Adrián Lamo posting random “this is not” legal advice for JA: https://www.quora.com/Is-the-House-Arrest-of-Wikileaks-founder-Julian-Assange-as-an-Unjust-Act/answer/Adri%C3%A1n-Lamo

[2015-05-02 06:03:26] <Emmy B> Yes saw it, thank you! not sure I’d like to engage with that horrid individual in twitter.

[2015-05-02 06:04:33] <Emmy B> Going to Brighton tomorrow, will watch that comedy, see what it is all about, sent tweets to artist and asked permission to distribute

[2015-05-02 06:05:22] <Emmy B> supportive flyers, he was most encouraging, let’s see… I hope it will be a positive show 🙂

[2015-05-02 06:16:53] <noll> some clips of his work. looks good & yep, likely to be positive.

[2015-05-02 06:21:28] <Emmy B> *excited*

[2015-05-02 06:54:04] <Emmy B> Reading above ‘detailitis’ LOL making up words 😀

[2015-05-02 07:00:05] <noll> Em, still traces of yahoo group where it was invented: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RZ9AF65-Ea8J:https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/CriticalChain/conversations/topics/5538+&cd=15&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

[2015-05-02 07:06:32] <Emmy B> hahaha 🙂

[2015-05-02 07:07:14] <Emmy B> (let me not start on fwlf !!!)

[2015-05-02 08:16:12] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh good grief, that WLF tweet is patently absurd. How can anyone take then seriously? I guess I constantly underestimate people’s stupidity.

[2015-05-02 08:16:30] <LibertarianLibrarian> Them

[2015-05-02 08:17:28] <LibertarianLibrarian> Enjoy the play, Emmy

[2015-05-02 08:19:08] <LibertarianLibrarian> Re Lamo, is anyone still talking or listening to that <bleep>?

[2015-05-02 08:20:36] <LibertarianLibrarian> Re the accusations about journalists in Ecuador, common attack, learned to ignore it. Correa is adored by his people & for good reason.

[2015-05-02 08:21:53] <LibertarianLibrarian> His division of media into private, public, state is very interesting. One thing I really like is that media corps can’t buy other business.

[2015-05-02 08:23:10] <LibertarianLibrarian> I’m a free market believer but we need media separate from those interests.

[2015-05-02 08:23:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> Hehe, we needed separation of press & state as well as separation of church & state.

[2015-05-02 08:25:17] <LibertarianLibrarian> Anyway, fascinated by what Correa’s doing in Ecuador.

[2015-05-02 09:09:53] <Emmy B> Been reading some Greek political articles also turn their eyes to Ecuador regarding restructuring media as well as the debt issue.

[2015-05-02 12:08:11] <WikiLeaks> It is a good time to spread Cameron, Osborne, Clegg, Milliband, Alex Salmond WL results. Try with “-stratfor” first

[2015-05-02 12:39:04] <noll> backup account still isn’t appearing in hashtags.

[2015-05-02 12:43:26] <noll> obviously stratfor flooding results is well know, is there no way to have it just show the end of email chains?

[2015-05-02 13:12:59] <WikiLeaks> No.

[2015-05-02 13:13:22] <WikiLeaks> You can sort by date, reverse, to send the end of the chain first in rhe results list, though.

[2015-05-02 13:54:38] <WISE Up Wales> Hi all. Can someone fill me in in 140 characters on the purpose of this group vs prev group and maybe benefits of this vs using IRC etc? Ta!

[2015-05-02 14:00:21] <noll> hi Wales, for various reasons prev group is not secure enough. re IRC, this is more convenient, & semi-protected by Twitters privacy rules.

[2015-05-02 14:12:27] <WISE Up Wales> OK, thanks H. Security issues were about who was on the list then?

Never quite know who you’re dealing with online I guess. I don’t, anyway!

[2015-05-02 15:09:15] <WikiLeaks> We can not assume that a twitter list is private. It’s more that there were a few trollish people on the previous list, which make

[2015-05-02 15:09:24] <WikiLeaks> having a useful conversation difficult.

[2015-05-02 15:34:56] <Emmy B> I appreciate having the list, I hope we can do better work supporting in twitter as a result.

[2015-05-02 15:35:13] <Emmy B> Goodnight everyone 🙂

[2015-05-02 16:43:45] <noll> [redacted ad hominem attack against an editor]

[2015-05-02 17:04:06] <noll> [redacted, third party information]

[2015-05-02 17:10:10] <noll> gossip columnist that can only see gossip, or same ‘nothing to see’ used on cablegate, whatever.

[2015-05-02 18:35:20] <WikiLeaks> Please see: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/with_replies

[2015-05-02 18:40:16] <noll> https://twitter.com/hazelpress/status/594677683696574464

[2015-05-02 19:24:31] <noll> looks like PR’s paycheck fishing, trying to draw CM into commenting.

[2015-05-03 00:14:41] <WISE Up Wales> Hmm, this is complicated, not least cos it’s not just artist [redacted, third party information] but also ‘the man behind the idea’ [redacted, third party information] http://anythingtosay.com/content/

[2015-05-03 00:18:57] <WikiLeaks> Their statement is that its from the moment of heroism, which makes sense, since no-one recognizes anything else.

[2015-05-03 00:18:57] <WISE Up Wales> and [redacted, third party information] statement on the website (& a later short description) refers to “Bradley Chelsea Manning” which is not the best.

[2015-05-03 00:19:24] <WikiLeaks> Yes. They should fix that.

[2015-05-03 00:20:13] <WikiLeaks> Although, if they want to tour the statue accross localities that are conservative, it makes sense to not draw attention to the sex issue.

[2015-05-03 00:20:20] <WISE Up Wales> They probably wanted to avoid the issue being diverted off into trans-politics – ie Manning is in jail for the leaks not for being trans…

[2015-05-03 00:21:00] <WISE Up Wales> but unless there’s some acknowledgement, that’s going to happen anyway, thanks to [redacted, third party information] and suchlike.

[2015-05-03 00:22:13] <WikiLeaks> They probably thought Bradley Chelsea Manning was a good way of getting the popular name in, and the new one, and not getting diverted.

[2015-05-03 00:22:55] <WikiLeaks> But that’s going to happen regardless thanks to statist fake radicals.

[2015-05-03 00:23:17] <WISE Up Wales> Using “Chelsea (formerly known as Bradley) Manning” would be improvement. I think all the media i/vs with artist he’s referred to Brad & he.

[2015-05-03 00:23:59] <WikiLeaks> Why do you say you think that?

[2015-05-03 00:24:14] <WikiLeaks> Is that based on recent interviews you have seen?

[2015-05-03 00:24:55] <WISE Up Wales> Because I’ve only seen a few interviews and those referred to Bradley and he. Don’t have TV, don’t watch a lot of vid of news reports

[2015-05-03 00:25:47] <WISE Up Wales> but hope I’m wrong! It’s a big and ongoing problem. Can’t even start having a conversation about Manning’s situation without getting into..

[2015-05-03 00:26:01] <WikiLeaks> The gender issue really is vulgar.

[2015-05-03 00:27:08] <WikiLeaks> 35 years in prison is just fine, provided CM can be called a ‘she’ by the guards. Horror.

[2015-05-03 00:27:36] <WISE Up Wales> …the trans issues immediately. It’s a societal problem, how we place so much importance on gender. I just do what I can with it as it is.

[2015-05-03 00:28:47] <WISE Up Wales> Gender identity politics is a nightmare. & a gift to the state, unfortunately.

[2015-05-03 00:29:28] <WikiLeaks> Yes. Gender essentialism is regressive.

[2015-05-03 00:30:58] <WikiLeaks> The whole fight was to liberate people from essentialism and understand that gender is a matrix of many biological signaling paths and..

[2015-05-03 00:32:14] <WikiLeaks> …behaviors, each of which can have different strength accross individuals and societies.

[2015-05-03 00:35:04] <WISE Up Wales> There’s no liberation where the fight’s ended up: now we’ve ‘the cotton ceiling’ where blokes who say they feel like they’re women…

[2015-05-03 00:35:21] <WISE Up Wales> …possibly only part time, complain that lesbians won’t have sex with them!

[2015-05-03 00:35:53] <WikiLeaks> To do away with binary ‘he’, ‘she’ as a stultifying simplfication and look at their unique values, skills and behaviors as an individual.

[2015-05-03 00:35:57] <WISE Up Wales> Meantime, many men are now afraid to enter social centres around UK for fear of being attacked for their behaviour

[2015-05-03 00:36:42] <WISE Up Wales> Yeah, a gender neutral pronoun would be v helpful.

[2015-05-03 00:37:53] <WikiLeaks> “the prisoner” has worked well for judges in our experience.

[2015-05-03 00:38:40] <WikiLeaks> “Bring the prisoner in”. “What do you have to say, prisoner?”, etc.

[2015-05-03 00:39:01] <M> FYI, ‘Anything to Say’ put out a statement re Manning portrayal on original kickstarter (at bottom) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1856732911/anything-to-say-a-public-art-project-for-freedom/description

[2015-05-03 00:39:22] <WISE Up Wales> But we’re stuck with centuries of patriarchy too. The important thing is to build alliances between all those who are oppressed, not divide

[2015-05-03 00:40:27] <WikiLeaks> [redacted, third party information] A fake leftist, and a manipulative, predatory exhibitionist.

[2015-05-03 00:41:26] <WISE Up Wales> Indeed.

[2015-05-03 00:41:43] <WikiLeaks> Here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1856732911/anything-to-say-a-public-art-project-for-freedom/description#project_faq_113840

[2015-05-03 00:44:47] <WISE Up Wales> That statement is helpful (is that posted by Vaughan Smith?) but I can’t see anything like it on http://anythingtosay.com

[2015-05-03 00:46:50] <WISE Up Wales> ‘The prisoner’ can work but you can’t write long pieces or talk to people on the street for long in that vein. Also, in my experience…

[2015-05-03 00:47:36] <WISE Up Wales> …it’s important to clarify Chelsea/Bradley – you have to do it – or people think there are more than one person. Happened loads of times

[2015-05-03 00:48:34] <WISE Up Wales> I think it’s easy to forget when you know the story but many ppl simply don’t, or only sketchiest details

[2015-05-03 00:48:36] <WikiLeaks> We were being sarcastic with ‘The Prisoner’, pointing to this radical discovery of gender neutrality by hang’em’high judges.

[2015-05-03 00:48:43] <WISE Up Action> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ao1yV7MGAnQ&feature=youtu.be

[2015-05-03 00:50:32] <WISE Up Wales> Sarcasm doesn’t travel easily on twitter! Or I’m slow! :o)

[2015-05-03 00:51:41] <WikiLeaks> Manning does have a Y chromosome and male genitalia. It’s anglo-centric to suggest that an Italian should move into the subjective frame.

[2015-05-03 00:52:18] <WikiLeaks> Doesn’t help with anglo-left audiences but it does demonstrate their provincialism.

[2015-05-03 00:54:20] <M> If Dormino had tried to create his own idea of what Manning would look as a female figure, he would have been attacked for that, too.

[2015-05-03 00:56:27] <WikiLeaks> Yes. And it would have turned off audiences in most countries.

[2015-05-03 00:57:56] <WikiLeaks> But they do need a little subpage to say how they’ve been in contact with the manning camp so people can shutup the idiots with it.

[2015-05-03 01:02:21] <WISE Up Action> Agree M and Wls

[2015-05-03 01:03:02] <M> Agreed. Preferably sooner so they can kick it in the can before people pick it up and make a big hubbub about it.

[2015-05-03 01:08:09] <WISE Up Action> Think it’s clear that the artwork is from a ‘historical’ perspective. Dormino shouldn’t need to explain, but if he did clarify this…

[2015-05-03 01:08:42] <WISE Up Action> Would nullify the gender debate

[2015-05-03 01:09:42] <WikiLeaks> The ‘historical’ aspect is explicity mentioned on the site.

[2015-05-03 01:10:03] <WISE Up Wales> “The sculpture will show Chelsea Manning at the time when the facts took place.

This is also motivated by the fact that the artist could not

[2015-05-03 01:10:15] <WISE Up Wales> get enough portraits of her actual look to make a realistic portrait.

All we are doing is to try and keep alive the public interest on this

[2015-05-03 01:10:31] <WISE Up Wales> story. The story of three courageous persons. One women and two men.” https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1856732911/anything-to-say-a-public-art-project-for-freedom/description

[2015-05-03 01:12:02] <WISE Up Wales> But the 2nd sentence is bullshit. ‘Actual look’ would be meaningless in the context of this sculpture.

[2015-05-03 01:13:25] <WISE Up Wales> Yeah, they could really do with the approval of CM to quote to detractors.

[2015-05-03 01:13:50] <WikiLeaks> Her ‘actual’ look is the same as the look of the statue, anyway.

[2015-05-03 01:15:57] <WikiLeaks> Did you notice @xychelsea dissing the Baltimore protesters?

[2015-05-03 01:16:38] <WikiLeaks> “I know deep down that this is not the answer #BaltimoreRiots”

[2015-05-03 01:17:42] <WikiLeaks> She’s going to have to be careful with this new public face. It may well be a mistake.

[2015-05-03 01:18:18] <M> I’ve been a bit disappointed by the feed. I think her articles are a lot more powerful/interesting than her twitter feed.

[2015-05-03 01:18:25] <WikiLeaks> Before everyone could project what they wanted onto her.

[2015-05-03 01:19:02] <M> And there’s been a lot of suspicion about the way the account is handled. She has confirmed it’s her, but re how tweets/replies are relayed.

[2015-05-03 01:19:50] <WikiLeaks> Yes. There’s likely some not altogether bright “PR advice” from Fitzgibbeon on the statements.

[2015-05-03 01:20:20] <WikiLeaks> The retweets are nearly all Fitzgibbon clients.

[2015-05-03 01:26:29] <WISE Up Action> G, yeah think they could lose that second sentence and the statement would be stronger. Would be enough to rebut criticism.

[2015-05-03 01:29:49] <WISE Up Action> Agree CM camp need to be careful with PR people coming in, picking up narrative.

[2015-05-03 02:15:46] <Emmy B> Ultimately a piece of art speaks by itself. Because it is public art it is there calling for discussion. The narrative ok could do with a

[2015-05-03 02:17:48] <Emmy B> little clarifying but essentially it is the piece of art that will speak by itself. Fascinating to read above perspectives 🙂

[2015-05-03 08:42:22] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/conniptions/status/594886880656793602 Agree w/ everyone’s points. thanks M, was looking for that last night. & yes, it could do w/ being on AtS website.

[2015-05-03 08:50:32] <noll> also, re CM’s TL, have to agree, it is awful – mostly b/c it’s completely soulless. if PR rather than accepting risk continues long-term, –

[2015-05-03 08:51:54] <noll> – it will hurt CM.

[2015-05-03 13:39:45] <Emmy B> Aidan is funny 🙂 he supports. Helped him distribute my flyers with his ads for next show, gave him lots more to distribute, he was very

[2015-05-03 13:41:58] <Emmy B> thankful, chatted after the show about details, he asked for more info to get it right, I will send links with info.

[2015-05-03 13:43:51] <Emmy B> the shows continue this week in Brighton, today about 30 ppl came filling the small venue, great atmosphere. He will do the show in London

[2015-05-03 13:45:38] <Emmy B> in July 20th, very keen to link up with supporters and improve the show. Wants to come Fri 19th July at special anniversary vigil. Leicester

[2015-05-03 13:49:47] <Emmy B> square theatre the next venue and in August Edinburgh festival.

[2015-05-03 14:27:06] <WISE Up Wales> Hi Emmy, glad this was worth the trip to Brighton. If show is good, maybe we should put dates/links on wiseup calendar?

[2015-05-03 15:10:48] <LibertarianLibrarian> Sorry I missed most of the above discussion until now. I agree with y’all, esp. what WL said about the gender representations.

[2015-05-03 15:11:45] <LibertarianLibrarian> Emmy, glad to hear the show ‘ s good. Wish I could afford another summer trip to London but can’t this year.

[2015-05-03 18:47:59] <noll> w/ re to catching show in Brighton, Killian: “you can book tickets to guarantee a place ( they are still free) but also it is a lunch time –

[2015-05-03 18:48:12] <noll> – show so u can probably walk in.”

[2015-05-03 18:54:21] <noll> DM on EAW: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3065507/I-framed-jailed-betrayed-British-tourist-tells-arrested-murder-Greece-held-squalid-prison-controversial-European-Arrest-Warrant.html

[2015-05-03 19:30:05] <noll> @TransTroops are trolling CM statue & Courage to Resist/ CM Defense Fund’s donation spend.

[2015-05-03 19:45:06] <M> 12 followers. Not really an issue.

[2015-05-03 20:37:49] <Emmy B> oh Aidan needs a new title for show for Edinb. Been told ‘saving Assange’ too much like ‘saving private ryan’ etc he was asking me for ideas

[2015-05-03 20:38:34] <Emmy B> (me? gig titles? LOL) any suggestions will pass on 🙂

[2015-05-03 20:50:28] <M> Not getting positive engagement or retweets. You can keep an eye on it, but not worth the effort because no effectiveness atm.

[2015-05-03 20:54:23] <Emmy B> I blocked them a few days ago but they persist, if they continue the same tune maybe I will add their name to the troll list?

[2015-05-03 20:54:42] <Emmy B> [Media-image] https://ton.twitter.com/1.1/ton/data/dm/595074045105872897/595074045131026432/7UuSkLTX.png

[2015-05-03 20:58:04] <Emmy B> Morning all 🙂 @ H thax for link! interacted with Symeou back in Autumn when we were doing EAW twitter campaign, actively campaigns against

[2015-05-03 21:00:41] <Emmy B> I mentioned the very case to Aidan to demonstrate how unjust & distractive use of EAW is & made parallels with JAs case, will send link on.

[2015-05-03 21:02:25] <noll> Em, yes would do. / M, agree. think worth noting it’s there – seems similar to old prolific (now suspended) troll account: @ManningTrial

[2015-05-03 21:06:42] <Emmy B> @ g absolutely, I will ask for the details! (he offered free tickets to supporters) happy for us to distribute flyers etc at venue, also…

[2015-05-03 21:08:16] <Emmy B> he said we are most welcome to stand up say a few words at the end of the show so if you are around Sat 20th… 🙂

[2015-05-03 21:08:33] <Emmy B> *July*

[2015-05-03 21:10:04] <Emmy B> @ jenny <3

[2015-05-03 21:13:28] <noll> what about ‘Speak For Me’? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCgl6kC2ZTA

[2015-05-03 21:14:56] <Emmy B> goodnight 🙂

[2015-05-03 21:34:43] <LibertarianLibrarian> That sounds great Emmy!

[2015-05-03 21:36:21] <LibertarianLibrarian> Late, just dropped in, good night all. Tweeted the DM story. Wow, that’s horrific. And a good example of what JA is fighting.

[2015-05-03 21:54:35] <Emmy B> Thanks Jenny! Chortle has a review of the show

[2015-05-03 21:58:23] <Emmy B> http://www.chortle.co.uk/review/2015/05/03/22417/

[2015-05-03 21:59:11] <Emmy B> I sent an e-mail to Steve Bennett the author with request to kindly change the word charges, we have corresponded in the past, hopefully

[2015-05-03 21:59:21] <Emmy B> he will correct.

[2015-05-04 00:57:49] <WISE Up Wales> Killian is from Dublin where there’s lots of support. I’ve emailed our Irish list – includes actors/musicians who may know him already…

[2015-05-04 00:59:13] <WISE Up Wales> …or can make contact. Donal O’Kelly will be at Edinburgh Fringe too. Good to build links.

[2015-05-04 03:15:44] <Emmy B> Wonderful! 🙂 xx

[2015-05-04 04:30:44] <Emmy B> How lovely! just read Steve Bennett’s e-mail confirming that he amended his article, there is hope after all! Let’s keep trying! 🙂

[2015-05-04 05:11:20] <Emmy B> [Media-image] https://ton.twitter.com/1.1/ton/data/dm/595199023046361088/595199023067332608/i-cVMh8x.png

[2015-05-04 05:11:42] <Emmy B> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/03/wikileaks-privacy-julian-assange-celebrity-scandal

[2015-05-04 05:11:52] <WISE Up Action> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/Amets4/status/595192958586134528 Anyone seen this?

[2015-05-04 05:12:33] <Emmy B> My comment on the Bennett article has been removed, a first!

[2015-05-04 05:14:55] <Emmy B> @ Wise Up , no reading now !

[2015-05-04 08:04:49] <noll> Em, what did your comment say? surprised BreeZee wasn’t censored: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/03/wikileaks-privacy-julian-assange-celebrity-scandal#comment-51442691

[2015-05-04 08:18:23] <Emmy B> nice one 😉

[2015-05-04 08:19:13] <Emmy B> well it is my first ever comment to be moderated out so I must have done something terribly wrong hahahaha

[2015-05-04 08:19:22] <Emmy B> three points:

[2015-05-04 08:22:14] <Emmy B> 1. her relationship with John Humphrys (mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Humphryshttp://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9309000/9309320.stm

[2015-05-04 08:23:05] <Emmy B> instead of conducting an interview to find out the truth he took it upon himself as part of the establishment to make JA a social pariah.

[2015-05-04 08:24:30] <Emmy B> could have lead to prejudice, evident from the arrogant disdain throughout her article.

[2015-05-04 08:26:42] <Emmy B> 2. claimed Sony e-mails are of employees engaging in sony economic activity, they are not personal e-mails. Mentioned the argument that some

[2015-05-04 08:28:11] <Emmy B> wish to see corporations get privacy rights as if they were individuals instead of being public institutions owned privately

[2015-05-04 08:28:23] <Emmy B> . Claimed she reflected this view

[2015-05-04 08:29:37] <Emmy B> 3. with regards to ‘they engage in gossip’ I said she shares views of others who claimed cablegate was libelous gossip, mentioned Erdogan

[2015-05-04 08:30:08] <Emmy B> of course and asked if she was comfortable sharing a chair at the same table as Erdogan.

[2015-05-04 08:31:49] <Emmy B> it doesn’t matter, I must have been rude without realising… but i have not kept copy so maybe I don’t recall everything correctly.

[2015-05-04 09:16:43] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh, I doubt you were rude. I suspect they simply didn’t like what you said. Too bad you didn’t keep it. Could’ve blogged it & then we could

[2015-05-04 09:17:00] <LibertarianLibrarian> point out the Guardian’s hypocrisy in what they allow in their comments.

[2015-05-04 09:17:10] <LibertarianLibrarian> What you said all sounds rational and reasonable to me.

[2015-05-04 09:17:32] <LibertarianLibrarian> But congrats on getting banned by the guardian, I’d take that as an ironic compliment. LOL

[2015-05-04 09:17:55] <LibertarianLibrarian> not banned, but you know what I mean. Censored?

[2015-05-04 09:18:14] <Emmy B> oh Jenny 🙂 xxxx hahaha

[2015-05-04 09:19:30] <LibertarianLibrarian> Interesting tweet and article, Wiseup.

[2015-05-04 09:20:37] <LibertarianLibrarian> 🙂

[2015-05-04 10:28:21] <Emmy B> oh, Mr Humphrys won Sony award 2 years ago !!! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10054738/Sony-Radio-Academy-Awards-2013-John-Humphrys-and-Five-Live-winners.html

[2015-05-05 09:17:49] <WikiLeaks> Great story on Marval CEO saying he doesn’t believe in female superhero’s to Sony CEO (because they don’t pay) out today form WL docs.

[2015-05-05 09:18:25] <WikiLeaks> Would be helpful to push this to feminists.

[2015-05-05 10:04:37] <Emmy B> They may be interested in updating their article: http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/why-is-theres-no-woman-lead-superheroes-in-marvel-films/story-e6frfmw0-1227319445070?from=public_rss

[2015-05-05 11:14:22] <noll> Marval CEO story fits well w/ ongoing Black Widow/ Joss Whedon ‘controversy’ https://twitter.com/search?q=joss%20whedon%20black%20widow&src=tyah

[2015-05-05 16:07:28] <WISE Up Action> FYI Re CM ‘approval’ for Davide Dormio statue as per previous discussion. It’s now up on CMSN which is some help http://www.chelseamanning.org/press/manning-assange-snowden-statue-unveiled-in-berlin

[2015-05-05 16:10:32] <WISE Up Action> I think the ‘image’ is totally appropriate (and anyway who’s to say it’s a ‘male’ image, just cos it’s short hair & tros!).But I’m gonna

[2015-05-05 16:14:23] <WISE Up Action> email them again about changing name & he to she.That’s a clear line that shouldn’t be ignored however off putting to some ppl it may be.

[2015-05-05 17:31:16] <LibertarianLibrarian> I agree about the image. Besides, it represents who she was when she took action as a whistleblower and when she stood trial. That’s part of

[2015-05-05 17:31:27] <LibertarianLibrarian> Who she is today.

[2015-05-05 17:33:22] <LibertarianLibrarian> This ‘argument’ over the statue title and gender image seems ridiculous at best & at worst an attempt to steal attention from the real

[2015-05-05 17:33:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> Purpose and message of the artwork.

[2015-05-05 17:35:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> I don’t like to see something that should be about human courage, integrity and truth be buried in an argument over how CM looks in it.

[2015-05-05 17:37:18] <LibertarianLibrarian> Most public photos of her are as the soldier in uniform.

[2015-05-05 17:38:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> There’s this ‘trans’ twitter account that has been attacking courage to resist, wondering if that’s a troll, not real.

[2015-05-05 17:51:38] <WISE Up Action> Maybe,dunno.It’s crap anyway. And the image is fine.I dont think the use of Bradley and he is OK tho.It’s a very simple matter to correct it

[2015-05-05 17:53:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, I agree re the use of ‘he’ and didn’t she legally change her name?

[2015-05-05 18:01:25] <LibertarianLibrarian> Regardless, she expressed her preference so that should be respected. But I think the artist meant well. It’s an adjustment, I occasionally

[2015-05-05 18:01:39] <LibertarianLibrarian> Forget and I try.

[2015-05-05 18:05:54] <WikiLeaks> Part of the problem is that the person at that time was also a ‘he’ and also called ‘bradley’.

[2015-05-05 18:06:49] <WISE Up Action> That’s totally understandable of course – we all do. And yes, she legally changed her name over a year ago. I have just emailed thanking

[2015-05-05 18:06:57] <WikiLeaks> There doesn’t seem to be a word, ‘heed’, representing a past tense form.

[2015-05-05 18:09:27] <WISE Up Action> them and linked to her request http://wiseupaction.info/chelsea-mannings-public-letter-coming-out-as-trans-august-2013/

[2015-05-05 18:09:41] <LibertarianLibrarian> The legal name change is a solid reason for using Chelsea. Perhaps ‘formerly Bradley’ might work – yes, we don’t really have good terms for

[2015-05-05 18:09:58] <LibertarianLibrarian> gender changes.

[2015-05-05 18:10:59] <LibertarianLibrarian> Or non-standard genders for that matter.

[2015-05-05 18:11:00] <WISE Up Action> won the world boxing heavyweight championship? the historical record is Mohammed Ali (Cassius Clay) not the other way round.

[2015-05-05 18:11:47] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, that makes sense and will very likely be the same for Chelsea.

[2015-05-05 18:12:03] <WikiLeaks> FYI: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=transvestite%2Ctranssexual%2Ctransgender&year_start=1800&year_end=2005&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ctransvestite%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctranssexual%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ctransgender%3B%2Cc0

[2015-05-05 18:14:21] <LibertarianLibrarian> Interesting! A nice visualization of language evolving.

[2015-05-05 18:17:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> And that represents a change in society & culture too, though there will always be some resistance.

[2015-05-05 18:17:58] <WISE Up Action> Hah, well Chelsea prefers trans* (with a * OK?) It’s a fucking minefield!! Lucky I noticed before we publd this http://wiseupaction.info/about-chelsea-manning/

[2015-05-05 18:19:55] <WikiLeaks> It may have legal and financial consequences.

[2015-05-05 18:20:21] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yeah. I was just looking at medical terminology, represented by PubMed (Medline)’s medical subject headings. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/mesh/?term=Transgender

[2015-05-05 18:20:35] <WikiLeaks> There was a huge debate over the definition of ‘waterboarding’, which used to be defined as a torture technique. That fight is documented…

[2015-05-05 18:20:37] <WISE Up Action> it’s just a matter of doing our best like with anything. What may?

[2015-05-05 18:20:46] <WikiLeaks> …in the WikiPedia history for the term.

[2015-05-05 18:21:25] <WikiLeaks> Similarly, there’s has been a big fight on as to whether our staff are journalists and as to whether WL is a media organization, becuase..

[2015-05-05 18:21:36] <WikiLeaks> …it has legal and political consequences.

[2015-05-05 18:21:38] <LibertarianLibrarian> Transgender added in 2013, formerly transsexualism from 2001-2012.

[2015-05-05 18:23:59] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, and those consequences can be serious.

[2015-05-05 18:25:52] <M> Transvestite always referred to cross-dressing rather than living as non-birth sex, I think. Eddie Izzard still calls himself transvestite.

[2015-05-05 18:26:41] <WISE Up Action> Oh right. Well there’s a world standard/protocol for treatment etc http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1352&pk_association_webpage=3947

[2015-05-05 18:27:08] <M> There’s always Ed Wood’s 1953 classic, “Glen or Glenda”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vUoSPJm5w0

[2015-05-05 18:28:17] <LibertarianLibrarian> Re defining journalists, I think the world is changing faster than the old definitions can keep up with, and the ‘old guard’ is trying…

[2015-05-05 18:28:49] <LibertarianLibrarian> to hold onto what favors them, fighting inevitable change.

[2015-05-05 18:30:12] <LibertarianLibrarian> That’s true in a lot of areas today. My own field keeps playing with names, librarians, information specialists, informationists, etc.

[2015-05-05 18:31:25] <LibertarianLibrarian> When I was at Vanderbilt, it would change every couple of years. When I left, we were ‘knowledge management specialists’ or some such.

[2015-05-05 18:32:44] <LibertarianLibrarian> People have tremendous arguments over what we call ourselves, which I think is ridiculous, yet it does represent a massive shift in…

[2015-05-05 18:33:15] <LibertarianLibrarian> What we do and how we do it.

[2015-05-05 18:34:09] <LibertarianLibrarian> And if you don’t stay up with the changes you rapidly become obsolete.

[2015-05-05 18:34:55] <WikiLeaks> People should call themselves ‘obsoletists’ and be done with it.

[2015-05-05 18:35:37] <LibertarianLibrarian> I think that’s the same underlying fear of ‘traditionalists’ looking at new forms of journalism and media like Wikileaks and others.

[2015-05-05 18:36:16] <LibertarianLibrarian> LOL! Yes, that’s exactly what they are! And what they’re afraid of.

[2015-05-05 18:36:24] <WikiLeaks> There just a bunch of finks trying to protect their turf.

[2015-05-05 18:37:43] <WikiLeaks> Really, we’ve never encounted a profession with such responsibility and such incompetence. Each day they fly jumbo jets filled with entire..

[2015-05-05 18:38:17] <LibertarianLibrarian> Exactly. I see so much of that in academia. The territoriality and inflated egos are incredible.

[2015-05-05 18:39:10] <WikiLeaks> ..nations. And each day they manoever according to whim, petty personal vendettas, sucking up or because they can’t be arsed.

[2015-05-05 18:39:44] <WikiLeaks> There’s more deaths on the average journalists head than the average soldier, by a factor of a 100.

[2015-05-05 18:41:20] <LibertarianLibrarian> I wouldn’t doubt that. I was just complaining earlier today how giving a previously intelligent woman the title of ‘Dean’…

[2015-05-05 18:41:56] <LibertarianLibrarian> Resulted in immediate deletion of brain function while simultaneously inflating the ego beyond proportion

[2015-05-05 18:42:19] <WikiLeaks> If you want to see who someone really is, give them power.

[2015-05-05 18:43:10] <WikiLeaks> There’s a half dozen decent national security journalists in english, who the other 10,000 journalists in english detest.

[2015-05-05 18:43:47] <M> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/FOIcentric/status/595764373903286272 This was just tweeted, but I can’t get the link to open:

[2015-05-05 18:44:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, sadly very true. Seen it happen close up.

[2015-05-05 18:44:46] <WISE Up Action> So agree. The power and abnegation of responsibility of media is so damaging. Imagine the good that could be done! It’s so depressing

[2015-05-05 18:45:32] <WikiLeaks> Facebook have now directly intervened in the UK election. A sign of things to come.

[2015-05-05 18:47:12] <LibertarianLibrarian> Interesting link, M.

[2015-05-05 18:47:54] <WISE Up Action> It’s opened for me, M.

[2015-05-05 18:48:44] <LibertarianLibrarian> Seriously? Facebook is so dangerous. I’m glad I got off it.

[2015-05-05 18:49:56] <LibertarianLibrarian> I tell people I am boycotting it for ethical reasons. Most agree but then say they’re using it anyway b/c family or friends are.

[2015-05-05 18:52:22] <M> PDF: New FOI document re WL, TPP, WaPo article saying US will not charge JA http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/corporate/freedom-of-information/Documents/dfat-foi-13-19105.pdf

[2015-05-05 18:54:37] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes. Not as much there as I expected but it does include the TPP environmental Chpt release

[2015-05-05 18:55:26] <M> PDF: New FOI document re WL, TPP, WaPo article saying US will not charge JA http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/corporate/freedom-of-information/Documents/dfat-foi-15-792.pdf

[2015-05-05 18:56:59] <LibertarianLibrarian> The highly redacted bit on the HOM interview is interesting, though.

[2015-05-05 19:54:35] <noll> M, is this the link? http://dfat.gov.au/about-us/corporate/freedom-of-information/Documents/dfat-foi-15-792.pdf

[2015-05-05 20:07:22] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, that’s it.

[2015-05-05 20:07:25] <noll> interesting comments by US Head of Mission https://archive.is/04ahQ#selection-1149.0-1271.98

[2015-05-05 20:07:57] <LibertarianLibrarian> I agree. I’d love to see the redacted parts of that.

[2015-05-05 20:09:37] <LibertarianLibrarian> *totally off topic* But just have to say that having my heart monitor broadcasting over AT&T to some medical co in another state is creepy!

[2015-05-05 20:11:04] <LibertarianLibrarian> HIPAA protections my ass. This is probably totally unprotected & hackable, & the fact no one could care less about my irregular heartbeat is

[2015-05-05 20:11:09] <LibertarianLibrarian> Irrelevant.

[2015-05-05 20:12:29] <LibertarianLibrarian> Freaky.

[2015-05-05 20:12:52] <LibertarianLibrarian> *interruption over*

[2015-05-05 20:20:27] <noll> HIPAA exemptions (usual cover-all..): https://www.eff.org/issues/national-security-and-medical-information

[2015-05-05 20:32:46] <noll> another take re Wls comments on armchair stenographer/ war: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispatches_(book)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeehkdQL_VE

[2015-05-06 01:33:27] <Emmy B> Re: Hipaa exceptions, what a nightmare.

[2015-05-06 01:51:59] <Emmy B> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando:_A_Biography

[2015-05-06 05:37:31] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh, thanks, I really need to look over those exceptions… what a nightmare!

[2015-05-06 05:39:20] <LibertarianLibrarian> I’m getting really, truly sick of ‘National security’ as an excuse for violating our rights and liberties. It’s gone insane!

[2015-05-06 08:28:56] <noll> as politicians get nervous over gaining/ retaining seats, now is good time to flag UK/ election centric cables.

[2015-05-06 09:12:22] <noll> has anyone else been blocked by Steinitz? https://archive.is/O8qNV#selection-937.83-937.111

[2015-05-06 09:26:33] <WISE Up Action> Yep, still blocked

[2015-05-06 09:42:38] <Emmy B> I don’t think I am, I can view her profile and her photo stream with no problem.

[2015-05-06 09:43:09] <Emmy B> I just realised that Anke has three accounts not just one: https://archive.is/gx0Cs

[2015-05-06 09:43:35] <Emmy B> Please observe the retweets demonstrated on the archived link.

[2015-05-06 09:43:54] <Emmy B> Anke Domscheit-Berg

@fempowerme

[2015-05-06 09:44:12] <M> The other two haven’t been used since 2013.

[2015-05-06 09:44:18] <Emmy B> Anke Domscheit-Berg

@opengovme

[2015-05-06 09:45:21] <Emmy B> Yes you are right, I just noticed.

[2015-05-06 09:46:11] <Emmy B> I just mention this here, in case @ h wishes to check steinitz interaction with those accounts.

[2015-05-06 10:11:52] <noll> Em, will look through them, & document anything interesting.

[2015-05-06 12:17:34] <M> Feminist activists went and put a wig on Manning statue and spraypainted a trans logo near/on the display. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvIdSGL8Ifo

[2015-05-06 12:24:17] <noll> & they didn’t spray-paint ‘rapist’ etc on JA statue, hard to think of more compelling sign of Sweden’s snowballing PR failure.

[2015-05-06 12:27:37] <M> Heh, apparently JA is now considered a “famous Londoner”. http://32londoners.com/jassange.html

[2015-05-06 12:28:03] <WISE Up Action> Doesn’t look as though its damaged, which is good.

[2015-05-06 12:31:15] <WISE Up Action> It really pisses me off that the message on protesting the image is that girlie’s must have long hair ffs

[2015-05-06 12:37:23] <WISE Up Action> wtf is that about?! How is it ‘male’? We females not allowed to wear trousers now, huh?

[2015-05-06 12:50:56] <Emmy B> http://femmefoebia.tumblr.com/

[2015-05-06 12:53:56] <Emmy B> Not quite the same as pulling down the swastiga from the Acropolis, now, is it?

[2015-05-06 12:54:26] <M> The statement is ridiculous.”This is a typical act of ‘daddy knows best’ male supremacy”, etc. I hadn’t realized they glued the wig on.

[2015-05-06 12:55:30] <Emmy B> some may see this action as kind of putting the david’s star on the new Jew, opening the way for the real trans/homo-phobes to bully Chelsea

[2015-05-06 13:01:04] <Emmy B> very selfish

[2015-05-06 13:09:22] <noll> M, MacFadyen was certainly improvement – imagine David Leigh screeching about JA to hapless tourists 30 mins..

[2015-05-06 13:12:55] <WISE Up Action> Oh H lay off with the nightmares x

[2015-05-06 13:16:12] <Emmy B> hehehe can’t fit into anything decent… will be giving the reception a miss 😉

[2015-05-06 13:24:33] <noll> when did feminism fall to empty posers.. https://twitter.com/hazelpress/status/596046262186745857https://archive.is/hjLvx

[2015-05-06 13:28:00] <WISE Up Action> Precisely. A Barbie wig indeed. How much do we want to promote them, though? How much is it circulating w/o us? Shld we ignore? Or not?

[2015-05-06 13:32:13] <noll> should we ignore? / & why a Barbie wig – b/c group is likely fake – first post “May 3rd, 2015” http://femmefoebia.tumblr.com/post/118036880894/101

[2015-05-06 13:34:05] <Emmy B> This action is grotesque I would not call them feminists.

[2015-05-06 13:34:42] <Emmy B> Only the trolls will jump on this.

[2015-05-06 13:37:12] <Emmy B> there is another aspect to this too. Do all trans* ppl have to be ‘outed’ as such? only the person involved has the right to define/declare

[2015-05-06 13:37:31] <Emmy B> express what they are.

[2015-05-06 13:38:24] <Emmy B> this artistic expression (statue) does not represent CM as a person as much as an idea due to her action, which is for what she will be

[2015-05-06 13:38:39] <noll> – we’re not sure how to respond. / Em, group has ‘existed’ for *three days via few random fem’ posts. & now this. it’s not authentic.

[2015-05-06 13:38:52] <Emmy B> remembered.

[2015-05-06 13:39:13] <Emmy B> Well, if this is the case, we should take a look at them.

[2015-05-06 13:39:23] <Emmy B> thanks!

[2015-05-06 13:40:27] <WISE Up Action> Well that’s true Emmy, but she has come out. And I think it’s both but the person is integral to the idea you speak of.

[2015-05-06 13:41:08] <noll> no fem’ group serious enough to take that action would make Barbie mistake, or post such obviously contrived material.

[2015-05-06 13:42:14] <WikiLeaks> The statue is a success. It’s pictures are everywhere. The idiots will be seen as such.

[2015-05-06 13:42:41] <noll> – going back to your comments, – we expect CM is very proud of who she was during that time. & others should be to.

[2015-05-06 13:43:38] <Emmy B> @ h Buzfeed and gawker posts, could it be these ppl are not German but American? why use US publications?

[2015-05-06 13:49:30] <Emmy B> Strange spellings of phobia as ‘foebia’ in the domain name, what language is that? German?

[2015-05-06 13:50:46] <Emmy B> ah! probably word play with Foe, I see…

[2015-05-06 13:55:37] <WISE Up Action> This is the letter we sent earlier http://wiseupaction.info/letter/

[2015-05-06 13:56:28] <WISE Up Action> now replied affirming.

[2015-05-06 14:00:01] <WikiLeaks> Sorry–who replied affirming what?

[2015-05-06 14:00:23] <WikiLeaks> Also, who wrote the excellent, long, recent wiseup text re: Manning?

[2015-05-06 14:01:05] <noll> Wls, perhaps. it’s not likely to excite serious fem/ trans activists, but then they’re not ones jumping up & down in limelight.

[2015-05-06 14:01:41] <WISE Up Action> Chelsea Manning Support Network. And that they agreed with the request and how it was formulated. Hah! Me We’re making an attempt to update

[2015-05-06 14:03:01] <noll> Em, agree, dressed up as anarchists posting buzzfeed.. it’s laughable.

[2015-05-06 14:04:07] <WISE Up Action> the whole site.So that will become a sep heading ‘Chelsea Manning’ on the menu. Other headings still to be written up ‘JA’ ‘The Docs’ etc

[2015-05-06 14:08:58] <WikiLeaks> Yes. The German trans* activists are probably a CIA first mission test.

[2015-05-06 14:09:22] <WikiLeaks> Do you know who wrote it at CMSN?

[2015-05-06 14:13:12] <WikiLeaks> Their prose is not usually so good.

[2015-05-06 14:14:50] <WISE Up Action> Wrote what? D’you mean their write up on their website http://www.chelseamanning.org/press/manning-assange-snowden-statue-unveiled-in-berlin

[2015-05-06 14:15:38] <Emmy B> Lindi wrote the wise up article, dah!

[2015-05-06 14:16:51] <Emmy B> As usual, her language is amazing <3

[2015-05-06 14:19:52] <WISE Up Action> Cheers, Em! Yes, I wrote http://wiseupaction.info/about-chelsea-manning/

[2015-05-06 14:22:14] <WikiLeaks> We meant this: http://wiseupaction.info/about-chelsea-manning/

[2015-05-06 14:22:19] <WikiLeaks> It’s excellent.

[2015-05-06 14:23:10] <WikiLeaks> The best thing we’ve seen, actually.

[2015-05-06 14:23:18] <WikiLeaks> [on Manning]

[2015-05-06 14:25:01] <WikiLeaks> Although we’re proud of this, too: https://wikileaks.org/Assange-Statement-on-the-First-Day.html

[2015-05-06 14:26:19] <Emmy B> 🙂

[2015-05-06 14:29:17] <WISE Up Action> Oh praise indeed. TYVM. I have concentrated on following the case closely as I can.Good old Alexa.And there is a link to yr statement in it.

[2015-05-06 14:31:10] <Emmy B> Maybe should be the basis for a new flyer? ready for London Pride?

[2015-05-06 14:37:40] <WISE Up Action> which we also thought singular (it’s under Court Martial heading) and have had on home page since it was pub’d…

Yes, maybe we do need

[2015-05-06 14:37:48] <WikiLeaks> It’s very clear, but still covers a lot of detail, that’s a hard combination.

[2015-05-06 14:37:59] <WISE Up Action> new flyer.

[2015-05-06 14:47:01] <WISE Up Action> I felt there was not a lot out there that was comprehensive & interesting so spent a lot of time on it.Very glad indeed you all like it! TY

[2015-05-06 14:47:53] <Emmy B> I think it would be a wonderful content for a new flyer in addition to the excellent we still have and we can take the opportunity to update

[2015-05-06 14:48:01] <Emmy B> the photo to how CM wishes to be depicted 🙂

[2015-05-06 15:09:33] <Emmy B> Thanks for the Re-tweets from WiseUp Blog WL 🙂 Good Night all! x

[2015-05-06 15:10:45] <noll> night Em :o) x

[2015-05-06 15:22:19] <M> Channel 4 has comedy programme “Bugsplat” which apparently parodies Collateral Murder http://www.heraldscotland.com/arts-ents/tv-radio/tv-review-bugsplat.1430949340

[2015-05-06 16:52:58] <Bean> did someone say ‘flyer’? email me if you would like a hand 🙂

[2015-05-06 23:41:30] <Emmy B> Beanyyyy! <3

[2015-05-06 23:52:44] <Bean> yes am here lurking in the background! <3

[2015-05-06 23:54:02] <Emmy B> 😀

[2015-05-06 23:57:19] <Emmy B> Thank you for your kind offer, I will speak to Lindi about a new flyer for CM and we are coming up to the 3rd Embassy Anniv. so I’d like to

[2015-05-06 23:59:11] <Emmy B> Ask for an update to our Sun or Cell flyer cover pls to ‘3 years’ http://greekemmy.com/2015/03/13/with-many-thanks-to-somersetbean-for-an-amazing-assange-infographic-here-is-a-flyer/

[2015-05-07 00:00:16] <Bean> yes great – no worries…

[2015-05-07 00:00:35] <Bean> also… bean will be lurking indefinitely in the uk from july so look forward to catching up with y’all over time 🙂

[2015-05-07 00:02:37] <Emmy B> omg – fantastic!!!! really looking forward it 🙂 catch up with you later *dashing- schoolrun*

[2015-05-07 00:04:13] <Bean> 🙂

[DMConversationEntry] WISE Up Action changed the group name to hazelpress + 9

[2015-05-07 06:44:35] <WISE Up Action> apparently I ‘changed the group name to hazelpress + 9’.It’s unintentional.Don’t know what I did or what it was before.Sorry. Am technodiv

[DMConversationEntry] You changed the group name to wikileaks + 10

[2015-05-07 06:57:27] <noll> well.. ‘my first CIA operation’ sure made an impact: https://twitter.com/FEMMEFOEBIA

[2015-05-07 07:02:27] <WikiLeaks> The statue has already established its own credibility. They’ll need a much sexier operation than that to ruin it.

[2015-05-07 07:33:51] <noll> perhaps MI5 trainees can do better, unlikely / if schedule allows, this could be good moment to bring AtS to UK: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/stand-up-for-truth-whistleblowers-speaking-tour-london-tickets-16772291375

[2015-05-07 07:51:50] <noll> of interest: http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=gjp

[2015-05-07 08:03:35] <noll> another perfect rely by Greenwald: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/596310063947583488

[2015-05-07 08:59:46] <Emmy B> What does AtS stand for?

[2015-05-07 09:00:50] <noll> Anything to Say

[2015-05-07 09:03:02] <Emmy B> of course! ::-)

[2015-05-07 09:03:58] <Emmy B> I think Paris might be next on schedule 🙂

[2015-05-07 09:23:37] <Emmy B> http://www.chelseamanning.org/featured/nifspa

[2015-05-07 12:08:46] <LibertarianLibrarian> Great stuff! I get stuck in work and in a doctor’s office and cool stuff happens out here. But I’m being sent home so can catch up soon. 🙂

[2015-05-07 12:09:47] <LibertarianLibrarian> I think ignoring those idiots is best. No one is going to take seriously someone stupid enough to use a Barbie wig to deface art.

[2015-05-07 12:10:23] <LibertarianLibrarian> Congrats Lindi on the article.

[2015-05-07 12:12:20] <Emmy B> Agree, excellent point!

[2015-05-07 14:02:53] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/596419343254167554 bbc one – “remarkable”, “sensational”

[2015-05-07 14:13:30] <WikiLeaks> That’s a major turn around compared to polling.

[2015-05-07 14:16:30] <noll> yes! surprising, looks like we’re staying up. Greens + 1 :o) Lib Dems.. haha / Em, was only one Steinitz/ Anke: https://archive.is/Ysrgu

[2015-05-07 14:18:01] <WikiLeaks> We’d guess that the exit poll is flawed, but it’s also possible that today’s front pages + Torygraph emails shifted results.

[2015-05-07 14:19:39] <Emmy B> thx H! I don’t understand UK pol in the least!

[2015-05-07 14:19:58] <WikiLeaks> Cameron is now 1/7 to be next PM for bookmakers. The smart money is on the Tories now.

[2015-05-07 14:22:07] <noll> 2010’s exit was close to dead on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2010_United_Kingdom_general_election#Exit_poll

[2015-05-07 14:30:15] <noll> – but that only goes so far, labour’s front bench has no weight to it, & major figures like ed balls/ miliband don’t cut it at all.

[2015-05-07 14:31:41] <WikiLeaks> Yes. That’s well known.

[2015-05-07 15:30:01] <LibertarianLibrarian> At least they have some slight variations in their parties and more than 2 potential options. I don’t know the UK parties well, but it’s

[2015-05-07 15:30:06] <LibertarianLibrarian> Interesting

[2015-05-07 15:31:12] <LibertarianLibrarian> Somehow my country has to find a way out of this ‘2 party’ system which has devolved into evil #1 vs evil #2 & there’s no real diff.

[2015-05-07 15:57:15] <noll> SNP advance is stunning. since indyref London establishment has seemed set on federal UK, b/c after all, anything less is lost.

[2015-05-07 16:13:02] <noll> Jen. there’s also no substantial diff’ here – labour tends feed fatcats & undo minimalist socialism w/ jawdropping economic incompetence.

[2015-05-07 16:58:06] <noll> if conservative largest party, labour largest coalition? – media could effectively decide this.

[2015-05-07 17:42:06] <LibertarianLibrarian> Guess I don’t know the parties well enough. Just seems like there’s more variety with Tories, Conservatives, Labour, Greens.

[2015-05-07 17:43:33] <LibertarianLibrarian> Well, we technically have a Green party in some places, I think. Really, the only semi-viable 3rd party is Libertarians & I vote 4 them.

[2015-05-07 17:45:14] <LibertarianLibrarian> Not that it’s done much good.

[2015-05-07 17:48:01] <noll> Andrew Marr – ultimate establishment journo is now forecasting federalism via bbc. / Jen, have to go back to 1908: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_governments

[2015-05-07 17:51:55] <noll> – for last time 3rd party (Liberals) formed govt. but things looking interesting for future, & soon climate change w/ become huge factor.

[2015-05-07 17:54:34] <Bean> had a laugh at this…guardian asks ‘what went wrong with the polls?’ not ‘ what went wrong with labour… and our politics?’ !!

[2015-05-07 17:54:37] <Bean> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaxz6c-qXM4

[2015-05-07 17:56:38] <LibertarianLibrarian> LOL!

[2015-05-07 18:02:07] <noll> haha JB looks close to tears! wonder what he was hoping for (for himself) over next 5 years.

[2015-05-07 18:19:48] <noll> labourites now blaming media bias – but it’s a chicken & egg thing: leadership/ policies, could have followed SNP ‘social’ platform which –

[2015-05-07 18:22:22] <LibertarianLibrarian> It’s clear the Scottish independence movement isn’t finished by a long shot.

[2015-05-07 18:22:40] <noll> – powered past media. or, looked ahead & elected David Miliband & gone Blair 2.0. as it is we’ve literally already forgotten their campaign.

[2015-05-07 18:31:55] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/596475088364503040 looks like Wls ally George Galloway is out.

[2015-05-07 18:34:30] <noll> Jen, Marr has been very well briefed by Whitehall, stating SNP is “unstoppable” & Cameron will lead last UK ‘as we know it’ govt.

[2015-05-07 18:52:30] <LibertarianLibrarian> Galloway seemed like a cool guy, or at least independent and unique. And always sad to see a WL supporter go out

[2015-05-07 18:56:16] <LibertarianLibrarian> That’s very interesting re the SNP. Definitely worth watching. There was likely to be a backlash given the closeness of the referendum…

[2015-05-07 18:56:32] <noll> labour campaign in GGalloway’s constituency was in complete disarray, but then they got it together & GG responded w/ v. negative campaign.

[2015-05-07 18:57:31] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh, yeah, voters get sick of those kinds of campaigns. Not the best tactic.

[2015-05-07 18:59:16] <WISE Up Action> Maybe SNP anti-austerity,anti-trident etc message winning so dramatically will have impact widening the parties, forcing some change

[2015-05-07 19:00:51] <LibertarianLibrarian> There will have to be some adjustments made in response to big SNP win. They have certainly made a statement.

[2015-05-07 19:02:39] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, GG is one of the few British politicians I’ve heard of, so he was a strong voice.

[2015-05-07 19:04:27] <noll> Jen, agree re GG. / Action, agree, if only labour had followed policies w/ decent front bench, & greens had CL leading.

[2015-05-07 19:04:53] <LibertarianLibrarian> Who’s CL?

[2015-05-07 19:05:52] <noll> Caroline Lucas – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Lucas

[2015-05-07 19:08:38] <LibertarianLibrarian> Thanks. Her name’s faintly familiar – seen her mentioned on Twitter. Good to know.

[2015-05-07 19:09:55] <noll> she was leader of Greens, replaced by: http://www.lbc.co.uk/incredibly-awkward-interview-with-natalie-bennett-105384

[2015-05-07 19:10:45] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/596496917145767936

[2015-05-07 19:12:17] <WISE Up Action> Oh God, give me anything to radicalise parties against Tories.

[2015-05-07 19:12:51] <noll> Jen, are you in US, if so can you see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

[2015-05-07 19:13:14] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh wow, that is an awful interview. Embarrassing!

[2015-05-07 19:14:41] <LibertarianLibrarian> I’m in the US, can’t view the BBC iPlayer (which quite often irritates me as I do like some of their drama shows).

[2015-05-07 19:18:09] <LibertarianLibrarian> My parents vote Green sometimes, but that party isn’t significant here. Then again, I vote Libertarian & that’s not much better.

[2015-05-07 19:19:45] <LibertarianLibrarian> But I am hoping Vermont ‘socialist’ Bernie Sanders is going to give Clinton fits. Doubt I’d vote for him, but he’s a character & quite

[2015-05-07 19:20:02] <LibertarianLibrarian> popular is some areas.

[2015-05-07 19:20:54] <LibertarianLibrarian> Plus, he’ll go after her, which I’ll enjoy just because.

[2015-05-07 19:22:49] <LibertarianLibrarian> Anyway, work night so off to sleep for me. Y’all are up late, or is it early by now? G’night, hope the final results aren’t too bad 4 you.

[2015-05-07 19:24:13] <noll> Jen, Sanders does look likely to push HC to left, but it’ll only be skin deep. it’s 3.23 am, we’re staying up for results – as always :o/

[2015-05-07 19:24:26] <noll> night xx

[2015-05-07 19:25:23] <LibertarianLibrarian> Oh, she won’t change; only Hillary matters to Hillary. But I’d like to see her sweat a bit.

[2015-05-07 19:25:49] <LibertarianLibrarian> Get some sleep soon! 🙂

[2015-05-07 19:27:00] <noll> will do, 6 or 7 am should see things out!

[2015-05-07 19:28:16] <noll> Action, you’ve got it – SNP.

[2015-05-07 19:29:27] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/auerfeld/status/596501092323749888

[2015-05-07 19:35:42] <noll> bbc reporting that guardian reporting Ed Miliband could be out by lunch time. sounding upset..

[2015-05-07 19:37:03] <noll> http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/08/ed-milibands-political-future-hanging-in-the-balance-top-labour-figures-say

[2015-05-07 19:44:41] <noll> no sign yet of Kirsty Wark’s bbc cocaine performances..

[2015-05-07 19:48:02] <noll> (probably in a Scottish toilet ranting about Putin’s new tanks).

[2015-05-07 20:09:48] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/TheAtlantic/status/596511430335209472

[2015-05-07 20:11:43] <noll> http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-700/h–/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/5/8/1431053022297/ea53a246-32c3-4c1e-9f77-6089c879d3b6-1384×2040.jpeg

[2015-05-07 20:18:03] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/InstituteGC/status/595964940827107328

[2015-05-07 20:20:46] <WISE Up Action> Bless her (SNP) cotton socks. Blair’s endorsement kiss of death.

[2015-05-07 20:29:50] <WISE Up Action> Hope Labour losses (if they continue) don’t give the Labour right an excuse to say it all went wrong because they veered 1cm to the left!

[2015-05-07 20:31:49] <noll> completely agree. neo-liberalism, when will it be taken on? at least SNP has proven there are votes/ power for at least voicing opposition.

[2015-05-07 20:37:19] <WISE Up Action> Yep-in some ways I think mass shout out coming from Scotland is greater hope for any change even if it’s bad news short term for rest o us

[2015-05-07 20:39:20] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/auerfeld/status/596519105747918848

[2015-05-07 20:40:25] <WISE Up Action> It’s heartening that (whatever SNP is actually like) NS was strident for anti-austerity and that must be largely what the vote is for

[2015-05-07 20:42:24] <WISE Up Action> and the turnout in Scotland so big. I’m just relieved to see ANYTHING that gives hope that people will vote so vociferously for change

[2015-05-07 20:51:04] <WISE Up Action> Yeah-that’s exactly what I hope.And I don’t know how clear it is how much the vote in Scotland is for independence & how much agnst policies

[2015-05-07 20:51:27] <WISE Up Action> that have dominated in UK

[2015-05-07 20:54:02] <noll> – even SNP don’t want full independence (read Wls cables). it’s all about London establishment policies (see death of Tories 80s, then –

[2015-05-07 20:55:00] <noll> labour post-Blair). / Clegg survives – almost alone.

[2015-05-07 20:56:32] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/auerfeld/status/596523890416951297

[2015-05-07 20:59:29] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/596523833198260224

[2015-05-07 21:01:21] <noll> bonfire of the vanities..

[2015-05-07 21:28:13] <noll> https://twitter.com/hazelpress/statuses/512690865332957184

[2015-05-07 21:38:19] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/jamesrbuk/status/596467374896873472 clueless..

[2015-05-07 21:38:47] <WISE Up Action> pointless!

[2015-05-07 21:42:18] <WISE Up Action> Thanks for the cable. I’m going to bed I think. Red wine & tiredness giving me heartburn; party politics & estab media giving me heartache!

[2015-05-07 21:44:28] <noll> night Action xx think will be following shorty, result clear.

[2015-05-07 21:45:03] <WISE Up Action> Night – nice to have yr companionship xx

[2015-05-08 03:09:34] <Emmy B> Overall majority for the tories, rule Britania & all that. I blame Olympics, Jubilee street parties + Ed no charisma

[2015-05-08 03:09:41] <Emmy B> (not putting gorgeous baby girl on list just because)

[2015-05-08 03:10:56] <Emmy B> “The war mongers have it!” x 2

[2015-05-08 03:32:40] <WISE Up Wales> Well, at least we don’t have to go through that thing of people becoming re-disillusioned with Labour all over again…

[2015-05-08 03:33:06] <WISE Up Wales> …and the Tories on their own get to take full responsibility and blame for what they do…

[2015-05-08 03:33:49] <WISE Up Wales> …and there are (hopefully) still a few libertarian Tories to cause Cameron some problems.

[2015-05-08 06:33:32] <noll> Russell *Brand “People were telling me, journalists, who know loads about politics, look if Labour don’t get in..” http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2015/may/08/election-2015-live-labour-and-libdems-crushed-in-shock-election-result#block-554cb3f9e4b08fdb0c453073

[2015-05-08 06:39:22] <LibertarianLibrarian> Interesting quote from the story further down “Cameron has heard Salmond’s Scottish lion roar and wants to tame the beast.” I.e. more

[2015-05-08 06:39:38] <LibertarianLibrarian> political doublespeak

[2015-05-08 06:40:04] <LibertarianLibrarian> But at least he has to pay some attention.

[2015-05-08 06:45:25] <Emmy B> hmm GCHQ may get higher budget & teams on SNP? Imagining Putin & Isis Brigade 77 Social Media Task force may get 3rd target.

[2015-05-08 06:53:35] <LibertarianLibrarian> I suspect you’re right Emmy. They already were targeting them, now more. But still glad to see popular defiance to that.

[2015-05-08 07:18:42] <WISE Up Action> Agree, W, but full mandate for continuation of same is dire. Immediate implications for people eg benefits,muslim community,nhs v upsetting.

[2015-05-08 07:18:51] <WISE Up Action> A change of gov does make the machine stutter a bit at least.

[2015-05-08 07:19:54] <WISE Up Action> But we mostly do get at least two terms of anyone, don’t we?

[2015-05-08 07:44:18] <noll> A, W, agree that it’ll be bad, but not sure it’ll be so much worse, unlike Thatcher era, current brood keep (at least) referencing Peel era.

[2015-05-08 07:59:30] <WISE Up Action> No-one needs to repeat Thatcher – it’s never been undone.

[2015-05-08 08:34:01] <noll> agree. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mayfair_Sethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5TAmH9bMs4

[2015-05-08 09:00:41] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/596579912158425089 of interest.

[2015-05-08 09:04:30] <Emmy B> yes it is but I thought Trade Unions stayed out of politics these days

[2015-05-08 09:13:42] <Emmy B> The nightmare of every politician : http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://iljournal.today/accade-oggi/cose-il-grilloleaks/&prev=search

[2015-05-08 09:14:05] <Emmy B> Is this what GCHQ will have in store for SNP?

[2015-05-08 09:17:20] <Emmy B> the threat alone of any disclosures would probably be enough to be used at time negotiations btw Westminster/Holyrood. With current

[2015-05-08 09:17:42] <Emmy B> capabilities and motive….who will ever know.

[2015-05-08 09:18:01] <noll> Unions funds Labour/ City funds Tories (& both expect to get what they pay for). http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/34ed154a-e38c-11e4-b407-00144feab7de.html#axzz3ZZ3ZPFqD

[2015-05-08 09:21:55] <Emmy B> very interesting thanks for sharing! an incentive for labour to keep rhetoric at least on ‘workers rights’ etc

[2015-05-08 09:31:12] <noll> “Is this what GCHQ will have in store for SNP?” – seems unlikely? Tories will threaten SNP w/ independence (ie. losing £8+ billion a year).

[2015-05-08 09:39:42] <noll> no comment needed. https://twitter.com/wikileaks_forum/status/596715669791596544

[2015-05-08 10:00:35] <M> WikiLeaks’ Sony email on Marvel CEO vs Female Superheroes made Guardian’s “This Week in Feminist News” http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2015/may/08/the-week-in-feminist-news-mhairi-blacks-victory-amy-schumers-triumph-and-eve-ensler-joins-mad-max

[2015-05-08 10:02:19] <Emmy B> So much for Ms Bennett’s vitriolic ‘deals with gossip’ article.

[2015-05-08 10:02:49] <Emmy B> I wonder if comments are still open 🙂

[2015-05-08 10:14:08] <Emmy B> no, there is a shame!

[2015-05-08 10:27:58] <Emmy B> going through the comments in the particular article I observed that whilst most commentators put a URL intact to refer to an outside source

[2015-05-08 10:29:30] <Emmy B> 2 accounts have embedded their URL into a word/phrase ie they inserted a hyperlink. How is this possible? have they used html code in the

[2015-05-08 10:30:00] <Emmy B> comments section to embed? Does anyone now? example:

[2015-05-08 10:31:19] <Emmy B> [Media-image] https://ton.twitter.com/1.1/ton/data/dm/596729100968026112/596729100989034497/2PnVZzlP.png

[2015-05-08 10:42:12] <noll> Em, isn’t system: select txt, URL button, pop-up field, insert URL etc? haven’t used for ages. going back to M5S: if used would follow –

[2015-05-08 10:46:17] <Emmy B> You are right, just remembered option thanks!

[2015-05-08 10:55:51] <noll> – (or one way of using) something similar to DEA/ NSA, w/ media, others using “parallel construction” cover where information originated.

[2015-05-08 11:01:25] <Emmy B> Yes, agree, it would have to be.

[2015-05-08 11:03:34] <Emmy B> So several risks facing politicians with GCHQ capabilities: 1. blackmail 2. exposure (parallel construction) to discredit

[2015-05-08 11:04:39] <Emmy B> 3. various forms of sabotage via leaking to political adversaries both in own party or competitor party… where r the politics professors

[2015-05-08 11:07:12] <Emmy B> writing about all this? and only Caroline Lucas has taken gov to court regarding Wilson rights…what happened to this case anyway?

[2015-05-08 11:07:14] <noll> yes, although 1. & 3. are extraordinarily risky, so would also need form of parallel construction.

[2015-05-08 11:07:24] <Emmy B> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/01/secret-court-investigatory-powers-tribunal-ban-mi5-gchq-spying-parliamentarians

[2015-05-08 11:09:28] <Emmy B> Interested to see SNP position on the matter, will they get ‘radicalised’ if get to taste the med. throwing their weight behind CL efforts?

[2015-05-08 11:10:22] <Emmy B> or probably could be in it too? having their own circle within the listening network.

[2015-05-08 11:12:21] <Emmy B> They certainly play to win. That is a classic problem with regulatory capture of the grand scale, if one takes a bird’s eye view.

[2015-05-08 11:13:04] <Emmy B> How can we possibly expect parties that want to govern to forego such a sweet tool of power?

[2015-05-08 11:18:04] <M> NPR responded to controversy over their selection of guests for the recent WL podcast with Michael Choen, John Cook http://www.npr.org/blogs/ombudsman/2015/05/08/404741728/asked-and-answered-on-thugs-wikileaks-and-conspiracy-theories

[2015-05-08 11:43:39] <noll> re how much more Tories will hurt poor to pay for Labour’s bankcat frenzy: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/05/revealed-coalition-plans-to-slash-welfare-for-sick-poor-young-and-disabled

[2015-05-08 11:44:56] <noll> Em, that’s great point. we don’t know where that went, other than nowhere: http://www.daviddavismp.com/david-davis-calls-for-answers-on-the-wilson-doctrine-and-metadata/

[2015-05-08 11:52:05] <Emmy B> Good links, M, Hazel, thanks!

[2015-05-08 12:07:02] <noll> thanks :o) IPT yet to rule on CL complaint: http://www.ipt-uk.com/section.aspx?pageid=8

[2015-05-08 12:09:49] <noll> – “IPT dealt w/ 1,500 complaints since it established. not upheld any about any of UK’s intelligence agencies.” https://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/07/02/green-party-parliamentarians-challenge-gchq-over-controversial-tempora-programme/

[2015-05-08 12:12:53] <noll> but that’s recently changed: http://www.advocates.org.uk/news/news_20150430_spying.html

[2015-05-08 12:50:00] <Emmy B> Excellent resources those hazel! 🙂

[2015-05-08 14:31:29] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, those are great and I agree, Emmy, maybe WL should consider it, too.

[2015-05-08 14:32:43] <LibertarianLibrarian> At least you’re supposed to have a guarantee your MPs aren’t being bugged, our Congress is surely bugged and blackmailed. No doubt.

[2015-05-08 14:34:07] <LibertarianLibrarian> Be cool if Lucas could make a case and make it stick, or one or more of the SNP-ers. They’ll surely be surveilled. Who isn’t these days? 🙁

[2015-05-08 20:51:07] <noll> anyone has any ideas re UK based FOI requests on Wls/ JA related. pls post.

[2015-05-09 00:27:47] <Emmy B> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/WikiLeaksShop/status/596841338177343489 Please please Re-tweet widely 🙂 https://twitter.com/WikiLeaksShop/status/596841338177343489

[2015-05-09 00:33:13] <Emmy B> Theresa May on Snowden revelations, terrorism, new legislation and the SNP’s attitude to Data Retention etc. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3063425/Vote-deadlock-leave-exposed-terror-threat-says-Home-secretary-says-new-legislation-urgently-needed-update-MI5-GCHQ-s-power.html#ixzz3ZclyHsyD

[2015-05-09 00:34:01] <Emmy B> so this is what we can expect and no one is there to stop them auch!

[2015-05-09 07:28:19] <noll> Em, ‘Theresa May to revive ‘snooper’s charter’ now Lib Dem brakes are off’ http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/09/theresa-may-revive-snoopers-charter-lib-dem-brakes-off-privacy-election

[2015-05-09 08:00:02] <Emmy B> Let’s brace ourselves for what’s to come!

[2015-05-09 08:20:43] <noll> isn’t it retroactive legislation? “what’s to come!” already here, just needs to be signed off.

[2015-05-09 12:03:39] <noll> David Miliband/ Hillary Clinton (Blair/ US) love-in could be coming back around..

[2015-05-09 12:11:47] <noll> seems that’s out of date: http://labourlist.org/2014/12/is-david-miliband-advising-clinton-on-presidential-bid/

[2015-05-09 13:19:05] <WISE Up Action> May is an absolute nightmare.It’s just the sort of thing I meant.Tories pretend they don’t like stuff like this in opposition but in govt

[2015-05-09 13:19:25] <WISE Up Action> they’re rabid

[2015-05-09 17:01:34] <noll> agree, but it’s a weapon & an arms race, unless a party advocates disarmament.. difference is how deeply it reveals nature of the state, –

[2015-05-09 17:03:21] <noll> – willing to target civilians at home/ abroad, sweep away liberties & for what? utterly counter-productive, destabilizing foreign policies.

[2015-05-09 17:22:19] <noll> not to mention the slaughter. re change – climate as political ‘tipping-point’: http://www.researchgate.net/publication/249872541_Disaster_politics_tipping_points_for_change_in_the_adaptation_of_sociopolitical_regimes

[2015-05-10 11:46:39] <noll> v. Wls sort of issue coming up (will be passed at some point, & once started will likely never end): http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/10/eu-considers-military-attacks-on-targets-in-libya-to-stop-migrant-boats

[2015-05-10 11:55:49] <Emmy B> Any excuse to bomb it seems, but even more ppl will flee (the bombing), just in different directions (someone else’s problem?)

[2015-05-10 13:36:12] <noll> is anyone else seeing “Service Temporarily Unavailable” for this: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

[2015-05-10 13:54:34] <noll> it’s back up.

[2015-05-10 14:17:21] <Emmy B> https://archive.is/dWFWC

[2015-05-10 14:17:52] <Emmy B> In which planet do we live in?

[2015-05-10 14:33:23] <noll> *sigh / we’re in process of writing to Phillip Knightley on off chance he’ll do a written Q/A interview re Wls/ JA case (b/c we’re –

[2015-05-10 14:35:15] <noll> – sick of the one line quotes amid inaccuracy). if anyone has question ideas, pls post. two interesting FOIs sent to UK Home Office today, –

[2015-05-10 14:35:46] <noll> – should have response w/i two weeks or so.

[2015-05-10 14:50:27] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/guardian/status/597497983442235392

[2015-05-10 14:50:47] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/MyriamFrancoisC/status/597518311220453379

[2015-05-10 18:53:39] <noll> re trolls, media, threat narratives etc, this is often hilarious, v. clever: https://www.youtube.com/user/MykeruMedia/videos

[2015-05-10 18:59:44] <noll> (disclaimer – we’re not particularly interested in US Atheism/ Feminism wars, but as mention in previous group, techniques used seem to –

[2015-05-10 19:00:13] <noll> – have caught on, to say least).

[2015-05-10 19:12:26] <noll> – a perfect description of MGT, different time, place, subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711OW6trnAQ&feature=youtu.be&t=4m32s

[2015-05-10 20:41:35] <LibertarianLibrarian> I never even knew such a ‘war’ exists and I’m an American atheist, ok, ignostic to be pedantic, but… wow, that is a good description.

[2015-05-10 20:41:45] <LibertarianLibrarian> Same behavior.

[2015-05-10 20:43:32] <LibertarianLibrarian> This Gove guy sounds terrible – i.e, he’ll fit in well with Clinton and co. 🙁

[2015-05-11 03:28:59] <WikiLeaks> Supreme court has found against JA.

[2015-05-11 03:30:01] <WikiLeaks> Very important now to point out 1) that there is a dissenting opinion that found in JA’s favour and said the warrant shoudl be quashed.

[2015-05-11 03:30:27] <WikiLeaks> i.e some judges (but not the majority) went JA’s way. i.e reasonable minds, even in sweden, differ.

[2015-05-11 03:31:47] <WikiLeaks> 2) john pilger’s article as background. 3) https://justice4assange.com

[2015-05-11 03:33:03] <WikiLeaks> prison at least. 5) the UN is still considering the case at the WGAD and will make its judgement any moment.

[2015-05-11 03:34:30] <Emmy B> Thank you! we keep going <3

[2015-05-11 03:34:35] <M> SC suggests major reason for decision was prosecutor’s move to interrogate (goes with narrative from JA lawyers) http://www.hogstadomstolen.se/Mer-om-Hogsta-domstolen/Nyheter-fran-Hogsta-domstolen/Hogsta-domstolen-faststaller-hovrattens-beslut-om-fortsatt-haktning-av-Julian-Assange/

[2015-05-11 03:35:18] <M> This interesting too, Samuelson says decision made w/o letting them close argument http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/05/11/court-rejects-assange-appeal/27107193/

[2015-05-11 03:37:15] <M> The past few prosecution statements don’t sound like they’re making any progression. http://www.aklagare.se/Media/Nyheter/Lagesrapport-Assangearendet/

[2015-05-11 03:48:35] <M> I don’t see any of the articles noting the difference in judicial opinion, so I think v important to push that a lot.

[2015-05-11 04:01:05] <WISE Up Wales> Is there a link to share that references the dissenting opinion in Supreme court?

[2015-05-11 04:11:03] <M> Only the Supreme Court ruling as far as I know (Swedish only currently) http://www.hogstadomstolen.se/Mer-om-Hogsta-domstolen/Nyheter-fran-Hogsta-domstolen/Hogsta-domstolen-faststaller-hovrattens-beslut-om-fortsatt-haktning-av-Julian-Assange/

[2015-05-11 05:13:18] <M> Important article from Guardian: split decision means it isn’t set it stone http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/may/11/julian-assange-appeal-rejected-sweden-supreme-court?CMP=share_btn_tw

[2015-05-11 06:05:26] <Emmy B> ‘One of the five Supreme Court judges dissented and argued for the arrest warrant to be lifted.’ http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/11/us-sweden-assange-idUSKBN0NW0FZ20150511?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter

[2015-05-11 06:15:57] <noll> M, archived, translated: https://archive.is/dSD5t#selection-2181.1-2181.104

[2015-05-11 07:16:59] <noll> we will be posting new article re SC decision, proportionality etc, around 6 pm.

[2015-05-11 09:08:44] <M> Full decision is now up (Swedish PDF) http://www.hogstadomstolen.se/Domstolar/hogstadomstolen/Avgoranden/2015/2015-05-11%20%C3%96%205880-14%20Beslut%20skiljaktig%20mening.pdf

[2015-05-11 09:08:58] <WikiLeaks> Worth educating: @madsvim (31k followers)

[2015-05-11 09:15:46] <noll> M, full decision, archived, ‘translated’: https://archive.is/bS1uS

[2015-05-11 09:16:49] <noll> our article will be posted tmrw 6 pm – too much to get through to get it out today.

[2015-05-11 09:18:59] <noll> does anyone know what aspects of appeal arguments were not heard (ie cut off)?

[2015-05-11 09:19:49] <WikiLeaks> All of them.

[2015-05-11 09:20:11] <WikiLeaks> We only filed documents for the case to open the appeal.

[2015-05-11 09:20:37] <WikiLeaks> Then the prosecution filed documents saying that the Supreme should hear the appeal.

[2015-05-11 09:21:03] <WikiLeaks> Normally, then you “hear” the appeal. i.e then the arguments proper are made.

[2015-05-11 09:21:17] <WikiLeaks> And then the other side responds and then you respond to their response.

[2015-05-11 09:21:49] <WikiLeaks> The court made its full appeal decision just on the application to appeal, not the appeal itself.

[2015-05-11 09:22:17] <WikiLeaks> to be clear: it decided the full appeal, but just using the document set for the application to appeal

[2015-05-11 09:22:31] <WISE Up Wales> Can this departure from normal process be appealed, or is there nowhere to go with it?

[2015-05-11 09:22:38] <WikiLeaks> which is highly irrigular and neither did it notify us that it was doing that.

[2015-05-11 09:23:01] <WikiLeaks> nowhere to go under swedish law

[2015-05-11 09:23:18] <WikiLeaks> but it may feed into an ECHR case

[2015-05-11 09:23:48] <WikiLeaks> simiarly the UK supreme court decided on an argument that neither party presented. also highly irrigular. that’s what happens in

[2015-05-11 09:23:52] <noll> is there anyway we can paraphrase this? as coming from Samuelson’s team or something.

[2015-05-11 09:24:07] <WikiLeaks> super political cases. If the law is on your side, they have to cheat.

[2015-05-11 09:24:29] <WikiLeaks> it’s mentioned in the guardian article by crouch

[2015-05-11 09:26:56] <noll> political cases.. agree. yes, we have that quote, but as you get w/ msm, it’s pathetically short, w/o detail, context etc.

[2015-05-11 09:31:13] <noll> is it true that after questioning, the appeal against detention order can be rebooted?

[2015-05-11 09:34:01] <noll> / re previous: whatever, we’ll fill it out.

[2015-05-11 09:42:59] <Emmy B> Unlike prospect of success with @madsvid https://uk.linkedin.com/in/madsnj

[2015-05-11 09:54:32] <M> @Madsvid has 30k followers – but is also following 30k which suggests ‘I follow you, you follow me’, so people who don’t actually care

[2015-05-11 09:55:02] <M> Noticeable also in that they don’t receive many retweets. Plus, they don’t seem to care about facts.

[2015-05-11 10:06:23] <WikiLeaks> The follow 31k too, so the follow count likely means little.

[2015-05-11 10:06:36] <WikiLeaks> [They]

[2015-05-11 10:07:24] <Emmy B> Good points, thank you 🙂

[2015-05-11 10:07:57] <WikiLeaks> But the Chair of the UN WGAD is from Norway and is also called ‘Mads’. Norway is small and socially connected, so opinions there matter.

[2015-05-11 10:11:53] <Emmy B> *cough cough*, this Mads is Danish x but don’t worry we are on the case 🙂

[2015-05-11 11:04:40] <Emmy B> Very good interview with @AndrewSymeou1 about his ordeal brought on by EAW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m52Zk9Pax-U

[2015-05-12 07:44:02] <noll> glee of Ian Brown’s NSAUA testimony re GCHQ impunity, is.. (& all those pesky court cases don’t seem to worry him one jot).

[2015-05-12 08:19:13] <Emmy B> http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/05/12/gchq-courts-cyber-spies-as-snoopers-charter-reborn/

[2015-05-12 08:22:42] <noll> Em, #SnooperCharter battle going to run & run, opportunity for Wls. thank for interview link – horrifying.. / another great release :o)

[2015-05-12 08:25:36] <Emmy B> 🙂

[2015-05-12 08:27:27] <LibertarianLibrarian> It’s an awesome release! I’ve been sending out to some US Sens/Reps.

[2015-05-12 08:27:40] <LibertarianLibrarian> FWIW

[2015-05-12 08:31:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> OK, now I can’t see those in my timeline. Weirdness. Was going to do some more.

[2015-05-12 11:30:57] <WikiLeaks> Once those SNP MP’s get up to speed, Labour will be forced to be a lot more oppositional or else risk losing all relevance.

[2015-05-12 11:39:44] <Emmy B> But there are forces within Labour that say ‘to get to power you go right’ & majority of MPs follow such line. I hope u are right of course.

[2015-05-12 11:46:38] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/m_cetera/status/598181993172606976 running down the clock (so that collapse of case can be blamed on JA)?

[2015-05-12 11:50:07] <noll> Em, Labour v. likely turn right in terms of economy/ business interests, but w/ civil liberties, coalition SNP/ Lab/ ‘The Liberals’?

[2015-05-12 11:50:38] <noll> / Em can you repost you troll block list? thanks :o)

[2015-05-12 11:51:16] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/EFF/status/598198425658597376

[2015-05-12 11:53:52] <Emmy B> Updated it adding two more accounts, feedback very welcome.

[2015-05-12 11:54:23] <Emmy B> http://greekemmy.com/anti-wikileaks-anti-assange-twitter-accounts-recommended-for-blocking-by-wlsup/

[2015-05-12 11:55:04] <Emmy B> the iamlikenew seems to be prolific both seem (to me at least) ‘paid’

[2015-05-12 11:57:10] <Emmy B> Placed it as a page on my blog so it is now very easy to find.

[2015-05-12 12:09:36] <noll> “at stake, a [neo]-liberal economic order” http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/03/13-geopolitical-importance-transpacific-partnership

[2015-05-12 12:43:29] <LibertarianLibrarian> Thanks Emmy!!

[2015-05-12 12:44:59] <LibertarianLibrarian> I have, in extreme procrastination at work, created a public list of US Senators’ Twitter accounts, all 100, via my account. Use at will.

[2015-05-12 12:45:23] <LibertarianLibrarian> The House of Reps may be a chore for another day.

[2015-05-12 12:50:33] <LibertarianLibrarian> Awesome news re the TPP Fast Track. Embarrassing to Obama, his own party got in his way. Hahaha. We owe this to Wikileaks releases.

[2015-05-12 12:53:58] <Emmy B> Thank you Jenny! excellent work and so useful for our campaigns 🙂

[2015-05-12 12:56:16] <LibertarianLibrarian> Was trying to tweet WL’s new release at them this am and realized I needed an actual list, not just the few I follow. 🙂

[2015-05-12 12:59:08] <Emmy B> This is the type of work that benefits the community, never thought to make a UK MPs in Twitter list, despite Myo/me tweeting all of them.

[2015-05-12 12:59:22] <Emmy B> Will do in future! <3

[2015-05-12 13:08:16] <LibertarianLibrarian> 🙂 It will be good to throw WL releases & news and related issues at them, even a few a time.

[2015-05-12 13:14:45] <WikiLeaks> If someone can make a list of all the SNP MPs (nearly all of them new) that would be very helpful. They’re fresh at the moment.

[2015-05-12 13:15:12] <WikiLeaks> SNP is the only party of influence that has a chance of being pro-WL.

[2015-05-12 13:31:41] <noll> new Wls-related FOIs: https://hazelpress.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/fois/

[2015-05-12 13:32:45] <WikiLeaks> Looking

[2015-05-12 13:44:47] <LibertarianLibrarian> Be interested to see what, if anything, they send you, Hazel.

[2015-05-12 13:46:10] <LibertarianLibrarian> I’ll let one of the UK folks take the lead on listing the SNP MPs; but if needed, I can help.

[2015-05-12 16:37:58] <noll> Jen, previous FOI reply proved interesting, but yes, will see if that repeats. / our new article has expanded, will take a bit more time.

[2015-05-12 16:54:22] <LibertarianLibrarian> Good luck! 🙂

[2015-05-13 05:27:34] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/AndrewSparrow/status/598443277763932160

[2015-05-13 05:28:37] <noll> if anyone has FOI idea re UK – now is the time.

[2015-05-13 05:42:01] <noll> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/GreenJennyJones/status/598405209228980224 this could (if not already) incl. Wlsup: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/counter-terrorism-bill-extremism-disruption-orders-david-cameron

[2015-05-13 08:46:04] <LibertarianLibrarian> That article on Cameron is terrifying. Sounds like they want to stop anyone encouraging any kind of independent thought.

[2015-05-13 08:47:02] <LibertarianLibrarian> Let’s treat anyone utilizing intellectual freedom as an extremist and terrorist. How terrifying that is!

[2015-05-13 08:48:46] <LibertarianLibrarian> God forbid we dare to teach young people to think for themselves (putting aside the fact that I don’t believe in a definable God).

[2015-05-13 08:51:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> My librarian’s soul is outraged that anyone can say this kind of thing with a straight face and mean it.

[2015-05-13 09:06:04] <noll> “UK Supreme Court produced 117 pages of argument before side-stepping everything before it, but the Swedish Supreme Court only managed –

[2015-05-13 09:06:54] <noll> – eight and a half dulsetory pages.” (political judgements – different traditions).

[2015-05-13 09:14:36] <noll> Jen, agree, it’s insane. there wasn’t single ME threat or attack against UK before Iraq. legacy of war that never ends? Airstrip One

[2015-05-13 09:23:33] <LibertarianLibrarian> Amazing how people justify themselves, either by wasting time on extra documenting or trying to avoid seeing anything at all.

[2015-05-13 09:25:15] <LibertarianLibrarian> Yes, we brought too much of this on ourselves. Nationally and personally, the US needed to respond to 9/11 decisively. But…

[2015-05-13 09:26:40] <LibertarianLibrarian> it should have been done within 6-12 months. I know an ex-soldier who said they’d done what was needed in a few months & should’ve been out

[2015-05-13 09:27:35] <LibertarianLibrarian> This perpetual war we’ve instigated is harming everyone and only benefiting some military contractors and politicians.

[2015-05-13 09:30:07] <LibertarianLibrarian> Sadly, those making a fortune off the war have too much influence and power over our governments.

[2015-05-13 09:33:54] <Emmy B> So true Jenny!

[2015-05-13 09:43:27] <WISE Up Action> March2015 ‘..new extremism analysis unit is compiling list of LEGAL BUT UNACCEPTABLE individuals & groups: ‘The move goes far beyond current

[2015-05-13 09:45:41] <WISE Up Action> powers to ban violent extremist & terrorist orgs & paves way for range of non-violent legal orgs to be blacklisted http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/23/home-office-to-blacklist-extremists-to-protect-public-sector

[2015-05-13 09:47:41] <WISE Up Action> Except. Not at Oxford or Cambridge Universities. http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/mar/13/oxford-and-cambridge-unions-exempted-from-terror-ban-on-extremist-speakers

[2015-05-13 11:52:43] <Emmy B> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_%28United_Kingdom%29

[2015-05-13 18:08:25] <LibertarianLibrarian> That’s absolutely crazy! If you’re obeying the law, how can you be ‘unacceptable’ in a free society? You’re unacceptable b/c May doesn’t

[2015-05-13 18:10:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> like your politics, religion, ethnicity, ideas, or just that you dare question her? What are we becoming? What Orwellian nightmare is this?

[2015-05-13 18:12:11] <LibertarianLibrarian> I can’t Cameron & May are getting away with this without massive public rejection and where are the journalistic hard questions?

[2015-05-13 18:12:42] <LibertarianLibrarian> Are all the UK Press sellouts? I’m not surprised by some but…

[2015-05-13 18:14:27] <LibertarianLibrarian> Obama & Clinton wouldn’t get away with this in my country yet. They have to be sneakier. Is that better? Not sure.

[2015-05-13 23:58:38] <Emmy B> Again you are right Jenny… everyone seems to be frozen on the issue somehow here in UK but it is slowly entering the political discorse

[2015-05-14 00:23:07] <WISE Up Action> Em, sense a period of widespread conflict ahead. Unions already active, general public waking up to consequences of Tory gvt. London esp

[2015-05-14 00:24:20] <WISE Up Action> At centre of protests to come in diff areas. Think the housing issue will become huge.

[2015-05-14 01:04:10] <Emmy B> Let’s hope so! because unless there is push bottom up…. we’ve had it!

[2015-05-14 01:50:55] <Emmy B> Something dodgy about @madsvid followers/follows all about marketing, purchase followers, branding oh & he follows the usual Guardian crowd

[2015-05-14 05:58:36] <LibertarianLibrarian> Could be work-related. Or he doesn’t have real followers. I need to clean mine out sometime. But if he buys into Guardian poison, not good.

[2015-05-14 06:40:34] <LibertarianLibrarian> [Tweet] https://twitter.com/daddacool/status/598842098318737408 Now this is a cool approach to Cameron’s blatant stupidity. 🙂

[2015-05-14 08:50:54] <noll> “May asked to define extremism in new counter-extremism bill”. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/598795278985076736

[2015-05-14 08:59:35] <Emmy B> 🙂 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32734566

[2015-05-14 12:44:53] <noll> this is huge. https://twitter.com/hazelpress/status/598936891535261701

[2015-05-14 13:16:07] <noll> or not.. can anyone see a way to link Laden perjury to verdict? b/c atm we can’t. https://freedom.press/sites/default/files/Manning-verdict-special-findings.pdf

[2015-05-14 13:29:35] <noll> @carwinb. https://twitter.com/carwinb/status/597605840217088000https://twitter.com/carwinb/status/597606001060270080https://twitter.com/carwinb/status/597606387406020608https://twitter.com/carwinb/status/597606635314479104

[2015-05-14 13:36:45] <WISE Up Action> The naming of AQ in Charge 1 (4) &. (5) significant or not?

[2015-05-14 13:41:40] <noll> having read Alexa’s TL – it’s significant that it was used, but verdict on Wanton Publication charges doesn’t rely on that evidence.

[2015-05-14 13:46:51] <noll> “for those 4 files [which] would be privileged out.. would not be able to view content” http://alexaobrien.com/archives/1538https://twitter.com/carwinb/status/597610013239222272

[2015-05-14 13:47:46] <noll> ugh.. you couldn’t make it up.

[2015-05-14 14:00:14] <WISE Up Action> Yeah got it. Reading that section. Alexa did incredible job.

[2015-05-14 14:03:30] <noll> yes, agree. she said she was writing it up, hope so, it really should be.

[DMConversationEntry] Cabledrum added WikiLeaks Press

[2015-05-14 20:12:44] <Cabledrum> A little side note re. Bundestag Inquiry into NSA:

[2015-05-14 20:12:48] <Cabledrum> Johannes Eisenberg, a (former?) lawyer of WL, served as legal adviser for seven witnesses, all from BND, incl. General Breitfelder.

[2015-05-14 20:12:55] <Cabledrum> Of course, everyone has the right to legal assistance.

[2015-05-14 20:13:01] <Cabledrum> But obviously, Eisenberg is a contractor of the BND. That doesn’t make him necessarily trustworthy.

[2015-05-14 21:24:43] <Emmy B> Thanks for this! There is so much out there in German about the new publication but difficult to follow.

[2015-05-14 21:25:05] <Emmy B> Has it been well received?

[2015-05-14 23:39:16] <Emmy B> I will be doing an SNP Twitter member List today http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/14/snp-mps-flout-commons-etiquette-with-first-day-tweets

[2015-05-15 03:41:03] <Emmy B> This might be of interest maybe CD you can explain it to us a bit

[2015-05-15 03:41:08] <Emmy B> http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.welt.de/newsticker/dpa_nt/infoline_nt/brennpunkte_nt/article140921050/Kauder-und-Maassen-kritisieren-WikiLeaks.html&prev=search

[2015-05-15 06:00:41] <Cabledrum> First of all, the documents show how all concerned parties systematically try to block the work of the inquiry commission.

[2015-05-15 06:01:04] <Cabledrum> The witnesses from BND and Telekom “can’t remember”, “was not responsible”, “do not know” and so on

[2015-05-15 06:01:51] <Cabledrum> For instance, the former CEO of Telekom, Kai-Uwe Ricke, had a four-eyes-meeting with the chief of the BND…

[2015-05-15 06:01:55] <Cabledrum> …but can’t remember what they’ve been talking about

[2015-05-15 06:02:33] <Cabledrum> The newspaper article you mentioned, “Kauder and Maaßen criticize WikiLeaks”, comes from the “Welt”, a very conservative newspaper

[2015-05-15 06:03:42] <Cabledrum> Volker Kauder (CDU parliamentary leader) is a conservative hardliner.Hans-Georg Maaßen is the chief of Germany’s domestic secret service BfV

[2015-05-15 06:04:03] <Cabledrum> Kauder criticizes that the WL release “might threaten the cooperation of German secret services with the NSA”

[2015-05-15 06:06:25] <Cabledrum> (hopefully, he’s right)

[2015-05-15 06:08:57] <Emmy B> Let’s hope so, yes! Thank you very much for this Cabledrummer.

[2015-05-15 06:09:45] <Emmy B> I only took a quick look at the english reports but there is little analysis in English for the latest release.

[2015-05-15 08:27:04] <M> Found the original Reddit threads where “Assange Shuffle Collective” took credit for the goatse billboard in Buckhead, Atlanta.

[2015-05-15 08:27:14] <M> http://www.reddit.com/r/Atlanta/comments/35gbja/someone_put_goatse_on_a_billboard_in_buckhead/http://www.reddit.com/r/Atlanta/comments/35gbja/someone_put_goatse_on_a_billboard_in_buckhead/cr4d6n5

[2015-05-15 09:07:22] <noll> [Tweet] https: