Savage Love Outer Limits

Joe Newton

I'm a gay guy in my late 40s with a straight sister in her early 50s. My sister has been married for a bit more than two decades to a guy who always registered as a "possible" on my average-to-good gaydar. But I put "BIL," aka my brother-in-law, in the "improbable" bucket because he actively wooed my sister, was clearly in love with her, and fathered four boys with her, all in their late teens now. I'm sure you already saw this plot development coming: It turns out that BIL has been far more "probable" than I thought. He has a boyfriend, but he is still very much closeted and denies he is gay. My sister has apparently known about this arrangement for four years, but has kept it a secret for the kids' sake. But she recently filed for divorce and told our parents and me what's been going on. Their kids have been informed about the divorce, but not about their father's boyfriend. BIL needs to gay-man-up and admit the truth to himself and the rest of his family and start the healing process. That's obvious. Unfortunately, there's no way I can talk him into it (we're not close), and my sister is left holding this terrible secret while her bewildered kids watch their parents' marriage crumble with no clue as to why. I think the kids deserve the truth, and that neither my sister nor the kids can start to heal until that happens. If BIL won't do the right thing, my sister is going to have to tell them the truth. What can I do to help her with this? She's awfully fragile right now, I don't want to pressure her, and I can't tell the kids without causing a big stink. But damnit, Dan, someone needs to start speaking some truth in that house.

Dishonest Gay Brother-In-Law

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Secret second families—and a secret boyfriend of four years counts—aren't secrets that keep. So your nephews are going to find out about dad's boyfriend sooner or later, DGBIL, and sooner is definitely better. Because in the absence of the actual reason why their parents are splitting up—in the absence of the truth—they're likely to come up with alternate explanations that are far worse. And when they inevitably discover the real reason, your nephews' anger at having been lied to or left in the dark will reopen the wounds.

Backing way the hell up: Seeing as BIL actively wooed and "was clearly in love with" your sister, and seeing as he successfully scrambled his DNA together with hers four times and remained married to her for two decades, I don't think BIL is a closeted gay man. My money is on closeted bisexual man.

I shall now say something that will delight my bisexual readers: I'm sure you'd like to live in a world where everyone is out, DGBIL, or, even better, a world where no one ever had to be in. But in the world we live in now, bisexuals are far less likely to be out than gays and lesbians, and the belief that a guy is either gay or straight keeps many bisexual guys closeted. Because if a bisexual guy who's married to a woman knows he's going to be seen as gay if he tells the truth—if no one will ever believe he loved his wife or wanted all those kids—he's unlikely to ever come out. So you can't fault BIL for not being out, DGBIL, when it's attitudes like yours that keep bi guys closeted in the first place.

I shall now say something that will piss off my bisexual readers: A family-minded bi guy can have almost everything he wants—spouse, house, kids—without ever having to come out so long as that bi guy winds up with an opposite-sex partner. Coming out is a difficult conversation, and it's one many bi people choose to avoid. And who can blame them? I wasn't thrilled by the idea of telling my mom I put dicks in my mouth, but it was a conversation I couldn't avoid. Faced with the choice between telling my mother the truth (and possibly being rejected by her and thereby losing her) or cutting her out of my life in order to keep my secret (and definitely losing her), I chose to tell her the truth. If I'd been, say, your average hetero-romantic bisexual man instead of a huge homo—if I enjoyed sex with men and women but only fell in love with women—I could have avoided coming out to her and very well might have.

Back to your nephews, DGBIL: They should be told the truth, but you shouldn't be the one to tell them. Their parents should do it. Sit down with your sister and make the argument I did above: Yes, your kids are upset about the divorce and it will add to their upset to learn their father is in a relationship with a man. But they're going to be angry about being lied to when they inevitably find out. And if she's keeping this secret solely at BIL's request, well, he can't ask that of her if doing so will damage her relationship with her kids. I don't think she should immediately out BIL, but she can and should let him know that she will have to tell the children if he doesn't.

You should have a conversation with BIL, too. Open it by telling him that life is long, marriages are complicated, and that you know he loved your sister. But to stick the dismount here—to end his marriage without destroying his relationship with his kids—he can't hide from them. If he doesn't want to tell his boys about his boyfriend because he fears he might lose them, DGBIL, then he'll have to cut his kids out of his life—and that means losing them for sure.

And then butt the fuck out.

I'm a 24-year-old lesbian, and I've been dating my girlfriend for three years. She's incredible, but she isn't completely out of the closet yet. I've been out since 2010. She has come out only to a couple of her really close friends. I understand that everyone is different and it takes some people longer than others, but it hurts my feelings. I don't express this to her because I don't want to be the reason she does something she's not ready to do. But at the same time, it's killing me and she doesn't even know it. We are compatible in every way possible: sexually, emotionally, and spiritually. But I can't help but feel she's ashamed of me. I know that sounds selfish, but I want someone who will scream my name from the rooftops. I bring her around all my friends, family, and coworkers. She is fully a part of my life, and I feel like I'm never going to be fully a part of hers. What do I do? Set a time limit? She makes me so fucking happy, but I'm starting to resent her for this and I don't want to feel that way. Your thoughts, please!

Being A Secret Hurts Every Day

Two thoughts…

1. Your girlfriend is keeping a secret from her family and friends, BASHED, and she has to hide you to protect that secret. You're keeping a secret from your girlfriend: Being hidden, being treated like her dirtiest secret, is making you miserable. Tell her how you feel about being hidden—because she needs to know being hidden is making you miserable.

2. "Don't date closet cases" is one of my rules for out folks, BASHED, but there are exceptions to every rule. If an out person meets someone on their way out or someone who, for good reasons, can't come out this minute (they're dependent on bigoted parents) or possibly ever (they live in a part of the world where it's too dangerous to be out), an out person can date a closeted person. But dating someone who can be out and isn't and has no plans to come out? They're not dating you, they're dragging you back into the closet. Just say no.

On the Lovecast, Dan chats with Johann Hari about the depression epidemic: savagelovecast.com.

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