

rosco35

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USA 1 recommendation rosco35 Premium Member Send mine to... I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please!



cabana

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New York, NY 1 recommendation cabana Mod Re: Send mine to... said by rosco35:



I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please!

I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please! what he said

nasadude

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I prefer direct deposit

banaa007

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Monsey, NY banaa007 Member Re: Send mine to... I wil take the cheque.

nasadude

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actually, since there's no way in hell consumers will see a dime, I would prefer that any telecom executives and lawyers that signed off on or agreed to do this for the government GO TO JAIL!



I don't know if the article talks about criminal penalties, but sending several top executive and top lawyers to jail would certainly provide a good lesson in civic responsibility.



FLATLINE

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Buffalo, NY FLATLINE Member Re: Send mine to... Civic responsibility??? Oh Please theres none of that in this country. As long as theres a Government or a Corporate Boss the sheep in this country will do whatever they are told even if its wrong. Its a shame.



Old_Grouch

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Then, they'll sell their long distance business to Quest. When Quest nearly goes belly-up from honoring all the free long distance, at&t will buy Quest on the steps of the bankruptcy court...for pennies on the dollar of course.



Totally bogus...but fun to imagine. Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years...Then, they'll sell their long distance business to Quest. When Quest nearly goes belly-up from honoring all the free long distance, at&t will buy Quest on the steps of the bankruptcy court...for pennies on the dollar of course.Totally bogus...but fun to imagine.

The Antihero

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Enola, PA 1 recommendation The Antihero Member Re: Send mine to... said by Old_Grouch:



Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years...

Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years...



My wife had to rent a car awhile back, and apparently the company was involved in a class-action lawsuit that was effective during the time she had rented the car. The company sent her a discount coupon for her next car rental, which expired a few months later. And since neither of us had any reason to rent a car, the coupon went unused.



Since most people don't rent cars on a regular basis, I doubt the company was out any significant amount of money. That certainly wouldn't surprise me.My wife had to rent a car awhile back, and apparently the company was involved in a class-action lawsuit that was effective during the time she had rented the car. The company sent her a discount coupon for her next car rental, which expired a few months later. And since neither of us had any reason to rent a car, the coupon went unused.Since most people don't rent cars on a regular basis, I doubt the company was out any significant amount of money.



james16

join:2001-02-26 james16 Member Re: Send mine to... The class action lawyers are the ones who screwed you there. They're the ones who make the real money, the customers get a fraction of what they should.

LowRider

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said by Old_Grouch:



Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years...



Actually, they will pay off in long distance cards that expire in two years... you mean a month after you get them cause it took so long for them to get them to you.



supergirl

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I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please!

I'd like mine in 20's and 100's please! I want mine in Gold!

mlundin

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Lawrence, KS mlundin Member I'm holding my breath... Should be here any time now....



MrMoody

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Smithfield, NC MrMoody Premium Member Class Action Lawyers Until the lawyers get done dealing and you get a coupon for one free month.



S_engineer

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Chicago, IL S_engineer Premium Member Re: Class Action Lawyers But you'll have to send away for that coupon at your own expense!

jc10098

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No you give too much credit to the process. If this does proceed, we'll get the netflix deal. One coupon for a free upgrade for a month and then you MUST cancel that upgrade if you don't want to be billed for it!!



Boricua

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Sacramuerto Boricua Premium Member Ching, ching . I could use a few extra coins in my pocket



newview

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Just send me a check.



MysticGogeta

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Katy, TX MysticGogeta Premium Member Re: I'll settle right now Same here



POB

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Stepford, CA POB Premium Member Negligible Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel.



FFH5

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Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel.

Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is. They'd still easily haveleftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel.



40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx

$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. Maybe you should go back to math camp.40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that.

backness

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K2P OW2 backness Member Re: Negligible So, for the record, do you support AT&T and VZ doing such massive monetary damage to the American People?

openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Negligible What massive monetary damage to the American people?

backness

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K2P OW2 2 edits backness Member Re: Negligible 5.8 trillion in damages and it looks like the figure could be 10 trillion...



edit: speelin and mixed my billions with trillions

openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Negligible That damage would be to AT&T, not the American people...unless you're assuming AT&T will be found liable and the govt will bail them out at the expense of the American people's tax dollars.

backness

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K2P OW2 backness Member Re: Negligible uh... the damages are in compensation for the violation of FISA law.



My implication was that, since TK is a strong supporter of civil damages (i.e. RIAA), he should have no moral bias towards the imposition of these types of fines towards a business entity which clearly violated the law and as such should be held accountable (as we have heard ad nauseum)



Thanks for taking all the fun out of it

openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: Negligible Umm, ok. Sorry to ruin your fun I guess

amigo_boy

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said by backness:



a business entity which clearly violated the law a business entity which clearly violated the law



Mark What do we do about 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) which grants immunity merely if the AG certifies that a warrant isn't necessary? Or, U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c) was amended in 2006 to reduce "reasonable belief" of "imminent danger" to merely "good faith belief" of "danger" (not imminent)?Mark

ross7

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said by backness:



a business entity which clearly violated the law a business entity which clearly violated the law



Mark

What do we do about 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(a)(ii)(B) which grants immunity merely if the AG certifies that a warrant isn't necessary? Or, U.S.C. 2702(a)(3) & (c) was amended in 2006 to reduce "reasonable belief" of "imminent danger" to merely "good faith belief" of "danger" (not imminent)?Mark Maybe Robespierre had the right idea...



bear73

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Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws?

amigo_boy

join:2005-07-22 1 recommendation amigo_boy Member Re: Negligible said by bear73:



Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws?

Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws?



It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity.



Mark I'm ok with that. But, until then, it seems like fear mongering itself to say AT&T "clearly violated the law" when there are laws that clearly would cover the activity.It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity.Mark

81399672 (banned)

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said by bear73:



Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws?

Repeal Patriot Act and similar fear-monger laws?



It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity.



Mark

I'm ok with that. But, until then, it seems like fear mongering itself to say AT&T "clearly violated the law" when there are laws that clearly would cover the activity.It's this kind of mentality which causes me to understand AT&T's desire for immunity.Mark Please tell me which law protects at&t when they violated the law?



Karl Bode

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As of the BellSouth merger they had 70 million landline customers...I assume they've lost a few million off of that total, but I'm not sure it's 30 million?



Still, yeah, with 70 million x $140,000 = $10 trillion?

tkdslr

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Pompano Beach, FL tkdslr Member Re: Negligible said by Karl Bode:



As of the BellSouth merger they had 70 million landline customers...I assume they've lost a few million off of that total, but I'm not sure it's 30 million?



Still, yeah, with 70 million x $140,000 = $10 trillion?

As of the BellSouth merger they had 70 million landline customers...I assume they've lost a few million off of that total, but I'm not sure it's 30 million?Still, yeah, with 70 million x $140,000 = $10 trillion?



Howevere the BS/AT&T merger adds additional assets to the pot to be distributed to plantiffs. I'm fairly sure BS merger occured after the lawsuits were filed, and the FISA court oversight was re-established.Howevere the BS/AT&T merger adds additional assets to the pot to be distributed to plantiffs.



pnh102

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Maybe you should go back to math camp. Maybe you should go back to math camp. This one time, at math camp...



DrewCapu

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Compass?

Yardstick?



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said by FFH5:



Maybe you should go back to math camp.



40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx

$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that.

Maybe you should go back to math camp.40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. educated guess based on what the blogger at Legality believes a jury would award. If At&t were ever forced to settle, rest assured, the amount would be significantly less. Before you jump on someone else pretending you know everything, perhaps you should go to law school - $146k is at best a very generous, above all,guess based on what the blogger at Legality believes a jury would award. If At&t were ever forced to settle, rest assured, the amount would be significantly less.

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said by FFH5:



said by POB:



Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is chump change. They'd still easily have billions leftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel.

Even if the Death Star were ever forced to payout, they could easily handle the financial ramifications of such a hypothetical settlement. $146k per claimant is. They'd still easily haveleftover. In fact, if they ever even had to defend against such a suit in court (which they never will) they'd most likely spend a hell of a lot more on legal counsel.



40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx

$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that.

Maybe you should go back to math camp.40,000,000 AT&T customers * $146,000 =approx$5.8 trillion dollars. DUH!! I don't think they can pay that. Sure they can. They can sell off all of their asset etc...i am sure that will bring 5.8 trilian when everything is said and done.



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koma3504

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Granbury, TX koma3504 Premium Member Gold Ill take mine in gold bars as it is probally triple that amount or more.



icp1

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Saint Louis, MO icp1 Premium Member prove it First you have to prove you were tapped, which the gov't will say "state secret" and toss the case...



not going to happen...



woody7

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Torrance, CA woody7 Premium Member pffttt.... Now you know why there is a such a great push for retroactive immunity. It is/always about the money. No one gives a rats a$$ about your rights..Peace

amungus

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America 1 recommendation amungus Premium Member what a shame



It's not even all about the money.



Sure, they'll claim it is, and logically the numbers will be extremely huge because they're freaking "ma bell" (got the ill communication ).



It's more about being responsible. They ought to just go ahead and admit it. Everyone knows what's really going on anyway, and the whole "oooh, but our secrets can't get out.." excuse is beyond lame. Nobody cares so much about HOW they're doing what they're doing, it's the why.



Not many people disagree that yes, they should be able to tap some things for purposes of tracking down a person, as long as 1) they have a just cause 2) they'll keep their end of the bargain and get a warrant - even if it is 'after the fact' by their most generous time limits of, what is it, 90 days???



If the agents can't even get a warrant within that time frame, then doesn't it seem reasonable that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't worth it in the first place and they should move on to "bigger fish" or something that might be worthwhile?



The part(s) most people have problems with, is all this is the idiotic notion that everything must be tapped and that big brother must watch everything. Why? What good does it do to have extraneous information that's completely irrelevant?

It's not only wasteful, it's underhanded, pretentious, and apparently, it used to be illegal.



Not illegal anymore I guess. That must be nice to be able to just change the laws to suit your self.



Why not give retroactive immunity to non-violent small time criminals who are overcrowding prisons across this country? It's such a shame.It's not even all about the money.Sure, they'll claim it is, and logically the numbers will be extremely huge because they're freaking "ma bell" (got the ill communication).It's more about being responsible. They ought to just go ahead and admit it. Everyone knows what's really going on anyway, and the whole "oooh, but our secrets can't get out.." excuse is beyond lame. Nobody cares so much about HOW they're doing what they're doing, it's the why.Not many people disagree that yes, they should be able to tap some things for purposes of tracking down a person, as long as 1) they have a just cause 2) they'll keep their end of the bargain and get a warrant - even if it is 'after the fact' by their most generous time limits of, what is it, 90 days???If the agents can't even get a warrant within that time frame, then doesn't it seem reasonable that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't worth it in the first place and they should move on to "bigger fish" or something that might be worthwhile?The part(s) most people have problems with, is all this is the idiotic notion that everything must be tapped and that big brother must watch everything. Why? What good does it do to have extraneous information that's completely irrelevant?It's not only wasteful, it's underhanded, pretentious, and apparently, it used to be illegal.Not illegal anymore I guess. That must be nice to be able to just change the laws to suit your self.Why not give retroactive immunity to non-violent small time criminals who are overcrowding prisons across this country?

MyDogHsFleas

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Austin, TX 1 edit 1 recommendation MyDogHsFleas Premium Member This news item actually makes sense, sort of. quote: While highly unlikely given AT&T's lobbying & legal prowess, these kind of numbers make it a little more clear why AT&T and Verizon have been spending millions in DC over the past few years in order to get legal immunity for their involvement in these programs.

Well, DUH. This is exactly what I've been saying in other news article comments as this story unfolds. This is not about "illegal wiretapping" or "breaking the law". This is about a company trying to stay out of class action lawsuit hell.



My comment is: why shouldn't AT&T spend money on lobbying this issue? First, it's perfectly legal. Second, it's manifestly clear from a business point of view that it's in their interest to avoid being liable for billions or trillions of dollars in damages. If you owned stock in AT&T and they did not try to avoid these liabilities, you'd probably sue them for malfeasance. quote: Congress is currently on vacation, but when they return the House will be tasked with deciding whether or not to fight, or support, these companies' request for immunity as they move to renew FISA.

Jon, you've left out some important points.



(a) Congress left without renewing FISA at all! Your story completely glosses over that little detail.



Instead the Democrats decided to ram through procedurally loaded deals against the Justice Department over their hiring and firing practices. They've prioritized election-year partisan manuvering above working on national security.



(b) The immunity deal is a small part of FISA. You make it sound like that's the biggest issue. It's not. Well, DUH. This is exactly what I've been saying in other news article comments as this story unfolds. This is not about "illegal wiretapping" or "breaking the law". This is about a company trying to stay out of class action lawsuit hell.My comment is: whyAT&T spend money on lobbying this issue? First, it's perfectly legal. Second, it's manifestly clear from a business point of view that it's in their interest to avoid being liable for billions or trillions of dollars in damages. If you owned stock in AT&T and they did not try to avoid these liabilities, you'd probably sue them for malfeasance.Jon, you've left out some important points.(a) Congress left without renewing FISA at all! Your story completely glosses over that little detail.Instead the Democrats decided to ram through procedurally loaded deals against the Justice Department over their hiring and firing practices. They've prioritized election-year partisan manuvering above working on national security.(b) The immunity deal is a small part of FISA. You make it sound like that's the biggest issue. It's not.



CUBS_FAN

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I joined Vonage and now experience unlimited "Whenever" minutes to all of the U.S and Canada "eh" Just over 2 years ago I dumped AT&T when they merged(gobbled up) with SBC and screwed up my phonebillI joined Vonage and now experience unlimited "Whenever" minutes to all of the U.S and Canada "eh"



nklb

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Ann Arbor, MI nklb Premium Member already dropped? I thought the courts refused to hear this due to lack of evidence (which was unavailable due to "national security" concerns)???

jimbo21503

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Euclid, OH jimbo21503 Member Giving back... AT&T Giving back to their customers???? :: SHOCKED ::



Oh wait, they were forced to because they did something potentially illegal... doesn't count as charity or community service or doing your customers a service.



karlmarx

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Moscow, ID karlmarx Member The bottom line is VERY SIMPLE. AT&T and the others KNEW what they were doing was illegal. End of case. Do the crime, pay the fine. No if's, and, or but's about it. The LAWYERS at AT&T KNEW it was illegal, but the executives of said companies chose to ignore their advice. Guess what, the SHAREHOLDERS are the ones who are going to pay, not the public. I hope to hell AT&T is forced to pay out at least 40 billion in fines. That's the ONLY way the other megacorps are going to finally realize that breaking the law, WHEN THEY KNOW ABOUT IT AHEAD OF TIME, is going to cost them. So guess what shareholders, all your investments are going to be worthless. Oh well, you knew you were dealing with an evil company, but your greed overrode your common sense. Now you suffer for that same greed.

lvlorpheus

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Springdale, AR lvlorpheus Member I will be real fair with them That I think is a pretty fair deal. I will be happy with a FTTH connection. With a 15/5 connection, maxed TV in every room of my home, and TRUE unlimited voip and TRUE unlimited cell with data. I will even pay them $75 a month for that and they can keep my money.That I think is a pretty fair deal.



OSUGoose

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Columbus, OH OSUGoose Member Hey AT&T I'll take mines in the form of a VZ Fios style FTTP connection, that 146,000 sounds about right to replace all the copper and install the needed fiber componets for my area, thats including union labor.



Kylemaul

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Puyallup, WA Kylemaul Premium Member Re: Hey AT&T So, you're only about 1,000 feet from the fiber distro?



OSUGoose

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OSUGoose Member No, see i even said that included replacing the copper (meaning whats up on the poles/underground feeding the neighborhood) with fiber, multiply that 146,000 by at least 20-50 homes in my neighborhood, they would have plenty to replace the copper with fiber.