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Sr. MemberActivity: 490Merit: 250Saved you from a scam? Send me some BTC! Re: [CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine Transparency Discussion October 24, 2014, 03:21:32 PM #161 Quote from: pinchecobadre on October 24, 2014, 02:57:06 PM Quote from: NewWorldCoiner on October 24, 2014, 02:40:51 PM



How's that gonna look in a court of law?







any number of possible defenses are available....the one, which I'm sure none of you "Crypto-people" would accept is, this was an "oversight". Given everything else that was going on and all his other efforts, traveling, meeting, doing PR, training, etc . . . he didn't think about it.



Technically, these coins didn't come from a "pre-mine" per se, did they? They were the result of coins left over from an algo-switch.



I won't get into everything that could be brought up to defend a claim for libel. Facts were presented, coins were burned and yet the libel of scam artist, fraud, thief still continued. A jury will likely be satisfied that an issue was presented and dealt with accordingly. D9's claim for libel would come after all of that -- i.e. dragging CANN and D9 through the mud after the facts and the burning coins.



In a "court of law" everything would come out - including the information and details on character of those crying "wolf". As an attorney defending D9, you would bet your ass they'd subpoena those members of NWGT (i.e. Lemonkoko, or whatever his name was) to discuss the not-so great experiences they've had with the CCN people (i.e. releasing private information about their members' families and underage children -- violating their own privacy policies, etc. . . )



In the end, rest assured that a jury in a libel case such as this would likely be filled by rednecks who know little to nothing about cryptos or this shit-slinging forum.



Again, I urge James and Tokyopotato to stop this nonsense for the good of CCN. If you wish to continue, fine, but please start using a different alias when representing CCN....please do something to fix the damage your actions have done to CCN's good name.





any number of possible defenses are available....the one, which I'm sure none of you "Crypto-people" would accept is, this was an "oversight". Given everything else that was going on and all his other efforts, traveling, meeting, doing PR, training, etc . . . he didn't think about it.Technically, these coins didn't come from a "pre-mine" per se, did they? They were the result of coins left over from an algo-switch.I won't get into everything that could be brought up to defend a claim for libel. Facts were presented, coins were burned and yet the libel of scam artist, fraud, thief still continued. A jury will likely be satisfied that an issue was presented and dealt with accordingly. D9's claim for libel would come after all of that -- i.e. dragging CANN and D9 through the mud after the facts and the burning coins.In a "court of law" everything would come out - including the information and details on character of those crying "wolf". As an attorney defending D9, you would bet your ass they'd subpoena those members of NWGT (i.e. Lemonkoko, or whatever his name was) to discuss the not-so great experiences they've had with the CCN people (i.e. releasing private information about their members' families and underage children -- violating their own privacy policies, etc. . . )In the end, rest assured that a jury in a libel case such as this would likely be filled by rednecks who know little to nothing about cryptos or this shit-slinging forum.Again, I urge James and Tokyopotato to stop this nonsense for the good of CCN. If you wish to continue, fine, but please start using a different alias when representing CCN....please do something to fix the damage your actions have done to CCN's good name.

Ah, the technicality of premine/postmine. Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.



No effort was made to allow miners to claim these newly discovered coins, because the dev knew they weren't going to be claimed.



So I reckon the jury would see it my way. He lied, got caught, and tried to cover it up. Ah, the technicality of premine/postmine. Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.No effort was made to allow miners to claim these newly discovered coins, because the dev knew they weren't going to be claimed.So I reckon the jury would see it my way. He lied, got caught, and tried to cover it up.

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Last edit: October 24, 2014, 04:04:52 PM by pinchecobadre #162 Quote from: NewWorldCoiner on October 24, 2014, 03:21:32 PM

Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.









you do know -- none of you - none of us -would be selected as a jury, right?





In a case, D9 would say something like, ". . . an issue was brought up that I was not fully aware of, or that I had honestly forgotten about. At the time, we set coins aside to be redeemed, many of them were and an even greater number were not. These coins were discovered by the community, I performed the actions that were requested (although I was not obligated to do so). I took steps to rectify the perceived-fraud. For sound business reasons, I decided to keep 5% of those unclaimed funds for marketing / promotion / give-aways to do X-Y-Z with it, here's what we did. "



a jury of non-crypto laymen would likely be satisfied that this did not amount to any "fraud" and given we're talking about something worth pennies, I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't throw this out of his/her court without laughing and possibly even reprimanding the attorneys for bringing a frivolous lawsuit!



if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.





As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.





So please, let's all simmer down now.



As for Tokyopotato:



Quote We certainly put our credibility on the line and took the brunt of the collateral damage by presenting the information for people.

You did much more that just put "your credibility on the line", you dragged CCN and its supporters with you. If you want CCN to be treated as "CannaShares" and "investors" to be treated as "shareholders", and if the convo is now moving towards what "legal / business remedies" would be available, as shareholders, we could demand that you step down for flagrantly putting the good name of CCN into disrepute during your "personal" quests for transparency from other coins / projects in the industry.





you do know -- none of you - none of us -would be selected as a jury, right?In a case, D9 would say something like, "a jury of non-crypto laymen would likely be satisfied that this did not amount to any "fraud" and given we're talking about something worth pennies, I'd be surprised if the judge doesn't throw this out of his/her court without laughing and possibly even reprimanding the attorneys for bringing a frivolous lawsuit!if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.So please, let's all simmer down now.As for Tokyopotato:You did much more that just put "your credibility on the line", you dragged CCN and its supporters with you. If you want CCN to be treated as "CannaShares" and "investors" to be treated as "shareholders", and if the convo is now moving towards what "legal / business remedies" would be available, as shareholders, we could demand that you step down for flagrantly putting the good name of CCN into disrepute during your "personal" quests for transparency from other coins / projects in the industry.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 490Merit: 250Saved you from a scam? Send me some BTC! Re: [CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine Transparency Discussion October 24, 2014, 04:16:43 PM #163 Quote from: pinchecobadre on October 24, 2014, 03:46:53 PM Quote from: NewWorldCoiner on October 24, 2014, 03:21:32 PM

Fortunately round here we're not fooled by lawyer-speak, and he won't be getting off.





if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.





As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.



if you feel so strongly that a fraud has been perpetrated here, please, by all means, embarrass yourself and do it - file a lawsuit.As for D9, the more I think about it, the more I'm feeling strongly that he'd have more of a case against Patrick and James for libel than (i) they would against this new action group, or (ii) they would against D9 claiming fraud.

File a lawsuit? You're the guy chatting on about slander and libel cases.



Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, help the dev sue these evil people destroying his reputation.



Go and ask if he wants to sue. Something tells me he won't be interested. File a lawsuit? You're the guy chatting on about slander and libel cases.Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, help the dev sue these evil people destroying his reputation.Go and ask if he wants to sue. Something tells me he won't be interested.

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You did much more that just put "your credibility on the line", you dragged CCN and its supporters with you. If you want CCN to be treated as "CannaShares" and "investors" to be treated as "shareholders", and if the convo is now moving towards what "legal / business remedies" would be available, as shareholders, we could demand that you step down for flagrantly putting the good name of CCN into disrepute during your "personal" quests for transparency from other coins / projects in the industry.









But since no Cannashares have been issued on the blockchain and Cannacoin is still just a protocol at the moment, what you are saying is hot-air.



Nobody is telling you to buy CCN. We've never hyped CCN ever or told anyone to buy CCN. Go look at the CannabisCoin thread prior to Oct 20th and then decide who is the one creating false expectations. It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" and literally has a poster-child on the main website.



Take a step back and open your eyes. But since no Cannashares have been issued on the blockchain and Cannacoin is still just a protocol at the moment, what you are saying is hot-air.Nobody is telling you to buy CCN. We've never hyped CCN ever or told anyone to buy CCN. Go look at the CannabisCoin thread prior to Oct 20th and then decide who is the one creating false expectations. It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" and literally has a poster-child on the main website.Take a step back and open your eyes.

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Last edit: October 24, 2014, 09:21:24 PM by pinchecobadre #165 Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM



But since no Cannashares have been issued on the blockchain and Cannacoin is still just a protocol at the moment, what you are saying is hot-air.





...but these are your plans, correct? So, why is that hot-air? Are you suggesting that this won't happen? I should ignore all of your posts about this "switch" on Nov 1?





Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM

Nobody is telling you to buy CCN. We've never hyped CCN ever or told anyone to buy CCN.





Never hyped CCN, really? So CCN's products and services won't revolutionize the cannbis-crypto industry and you don't have any exciting news to come? Your CCN products won't prove that you're "Leaders" in this industry? Okay, great, I suppose I was duped then.



Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM

It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" and literally has a poster-child on the main website.





That's a conclusion you are so confident in drawing and are obviously shoving that message down all our throats.



BTW - Potcoin used a DEV's own sick child to raise money for something -- have you sniffed around there to make sure Russell didn't just pocket those donations?



Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM

Take a step back and open your eyes.







Please, I'm asking YOU to take a step back and stop posting. You've made your point already, now you guys just sound ridiculous. Jump in another coin's forum (MAryJane Coin - plenty to be suspicious about there -- Dopecoin, Sativacoin, Ganjacoin, THCoin and all the others) -- sniff them out, audit them, report on them, police the industry for us all since that's what you want to do; otherwise, with each and every one of your "gotta have the last word" posts, you make it more and more obvious that you've targeted only CANN.





Seriously man, the cat's out of the bag, quit wasting time and energy on this and let the people come to their own conclusions. God, no one will ever say they weren't warned and we all have you and James to thank, but enough already!!



Focus your attentions on repairing the damage you've done to CCN and think about how to make your transition on Nov 1 a successful one, or will that not happen 'cause it's just "hot-air"?





...but these are your plans, correct? So, why is that hot-air? Are you suggesting that this won't happen? I should ignore all of your posts about this "switch" on Nov 1?Never hyped CCN, really? So CCN's products and services won't revolutionize the cannbis-crypto industry and you don't have any exciting news to come? Your CCN products won't prove that you're "Leaders" in this industry? Okay, great, I suppose I was duped then.That's a conclusionare so confident in drawing and are obviously shoving that message down all our throats.BTW - Potcoin used a DEV's own sick child to raise money for something -- have you sniffed around there to make sure Russell didn't just pocket those donations?Please, I'm askingto take a step back and stop posting. You've made your point already, now you guys just sound ridiculous. Jump in another coin's forum (MAryJane Coin - plenty to be suspicious about there -- Dopecoin, Sativacoin, Ganjacoin, THCoin and all the others) -- sniff them out, audit them, report on them, police the industry for us all since that's what you want to do; otherwise, with each and every one of your "" posts, you make it more and more obvious that you've targeted only CANN.Seriously man, the cat's out of the bag, quit wasting time and energy on this and let the people come to their own conclusions. God, no one will ever say they weren't warned and we all have you and James to thank, but enough already!!Focus your attentions on repairing the damage you've done to CCN and think about how to make your transition on Nov 1 a successful one, or will that not happen 'cause it's just

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Last edit: October 24, 2014, 10:52:29 PM by pinchecobadre #166 Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM

It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" . . .





If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.



I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN. Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.



That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it? I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about. So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie. People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!



When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out. Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck! Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.



Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct. Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360





Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process. As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.



Well done!

If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN. Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it? I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about. So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie. People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out. Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck! Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct. Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process. As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.Well done!

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LegendaryActivity: 812Merit: 1000 Re: [CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine Transparency Discussion October 24, 2014, 11:09:02 PM #167 Quote from: pinchecobadre on October 24, 2014, 10:19:29 PM Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 08:57:34 PM

It's a get-rich-quick scheme that uses "medical patients" . . .





If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.



I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN. Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.



That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it? I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about. So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie. People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!



When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out. Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck! Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.



Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct. Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=482425.360





Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process. As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.



Well done!



If we're gonna bring out "medical patients", since that's clearly what all this is about anyway, right, how is that any different than what CCN did in its early days.I recall a lot of "medical patients" at NWGT coming out and condemning the representations you made early on that CCN was backed by the 1000s of Users of NWGT who were ready, willing and able to use and transact with CCN. Based on that news, CCN saw some early success and a spike rise in price.That "representation" turned out to be a pretty fantastic lie too, didn't it? I'd bet that less than 5% of the Users at NWGT (at the time) had ever even heard of crypto enough to know what CCN was all about. So CCN's statements that it had a community backing was, in fact, a lie. People invested based on that lie, people made money based on that lie and I'm sure you and the other Devs profited from that lie, either in sales of CCN or growth in CCN supporters......SO SCANDALOUS!!When you shoved the tipping feature down NWGT Users' throats, many of them spoke out. Many of them wanted NOTHING TO DO WITH CCN, and felt you were "selling them out" to make a buck! Many of the more vocal contributors of that community had dissented, had expressed themselves only to be banned from NWGT, a place they helped grow through their contributions.Some of them even went so far as to come to this shit-hole of a forum to spread news and warn others of your less-than professional conduct. Things start getting dicey at around the 18th or 19th page when Lemonhoko starts re-hashing his side of the story -- guess what happened to that ANN thread -- yep, you guessed it, closed and then replaced with a self-moderated one.Those vocal dissenters took many other vocal contributors with them in the process. As a result, you polarized your own precious community, just as you are doing here with the larger cannibis-crypto community.Well done!

Well, you make a good point that we did advertise NWGT as a potential userbase for CCN. Unfortunately, due to things that had nothing to do with Cannacoin there was already a lot of bad blood and drama and it unfolded around the time we were adding tipping features to NWGT.



However, you don't know the facts about how many NWGT supporters we did have and continue to have behind us. So, it's not a lie.



Don't take the words of a few pissed-off folks that were banned from NWGT before this all started as the general opinion of the entire group. Well, you make a good point that we did advertise NWGT as a potential userbase for CCN. Unfortunately, due to things that had nothing to do with Cannacoin there was already a lot of bad blood and drama and it unfolded around the time we were adding tipping features to NWGT.However, you don't know the facts about how many NWGT supporters we did have and continue to have behind us. So, it's not a lie.Don't take the words of a few pissed-off folks that were banned from NWGT before this all started as the general opinion of the entire group.

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LegendaryActivity: 812Merit: 1000 Re: [CANN]Cannabis Coin Pre-Mine Transparency Discussion October 24, 2014, 11:14:53 PM #169 Quote from: tokyopotato on October 24, 2014, 06:49:01 AM And again



Quote from: Jamesonotc on October 23, 2014, 12:04:54 AM Dev has more coins than the original 14million claimed! Add another 6.6+ Million!



Here is the block chain analysis of the pre-mined data of this coin. If anyone can provide scrypt blockchain and ill will then furthur give you 100% confirmation of all transactions made on the blockchain.



As you can see, there are 1,465,379 CANN coins directly linked to bittrex from the Dev teams pre-mine not paid out to miners.

Secondly you will see 5,202,379 Not yet redeemed just as you saw linked to the 29 burn addresses .







You can see there was activity on the following 5 million moved from pre-mine can CANN wallet 28 minutes after the burn that occurred between 1AM - 2:16AM PST on OCT 22nd. This looks as is someone is hiding something...







Here is the block chain analysis of the pre-mined data of this coin. If anyone can provide scrypt blockchain and ill will then furthur give you 100% confirmation of all transactions made on the blockchain.As you can see, there are 1,465,379 CANN coins directly linked to bittrex from the Dev teams pre-mine not paid out to miners.Secondly you will see 5,202,379 Not yet redeemed just as you saw linked to the 29 burn addresses .You can see there was activity on the following 5 million moved from pre-mine can CANN wallet 28 minutes after the burn that occurred between 1AM - 2:16AM PST on OCT 22nd. This looks as is someone is hiding something...

More facts. More facts.

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why?... in case we missed it in the 10 other threads you spammed this shit in? so we can drown in it in case we came up for air investigating into your shady practices?



seriously man, will you ever stop?



