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Next » There was an error. Delete post THIS IS A SPINNER or cancel THIS IS A SPINNER metadata Hello Everyone, We will soon be including Power Cards in Combo Mastery bonuses. In reviewing the feedback from early on to more recent, the mixed feedback still included a great deal of players in favor of including Power Cards. We understand that some players may be feeling concerned over the sheer strength of Power Cards, even without mastery. However, we found that Power Cards are not a majority in the deck composition of many top players and, along with other factors, this indicates that Power Cards were not previously too overpowered. Including Power Cards with mastery bonuses will not only reduce the feeling that Power Cards have lost value, it will also help maintain balance from before Combo Mastery was introduced. Previously, the relative balance of Power Cards to regular combos was in pretty good shape and allowing Combo Mastery to affect both types of combos will help to preserve that balance. We will continue to watch feedback, deck composition, and balance; and may work on further updates if needed. Thank you again for all of the feedback, suggestions, and questions you have provided about Combo Mastery. When this update goes live, we will announce it with a mail message to all players. *** To view the previous post about Combo Mastery and other plans the devs have for the game such as balancing, new BGEs, more cards and combos, etc. Please visit this thread: https://www.kongregate.com/forums/727066-general/topics/1653053-official-plans-for-throwdown-and-combo-mastery-improvements metadata That is hilarious. I don't think I've seen anyone ask for mastery to affect PC cards. Is there a super secret kong/whale chat room I'm not aware of? metadata Those top decks you're talking about do use a lot of pc cards, just in their defensive decks, which is the one people will face. They obviously don't use them as much in their offensive decks. Get a clue. metadata "However, we found that Power Cards are not a majority in the deck composition of many top players, indicating they were not previously too overpowered"... That is one way to put it / interpret the distribution of PCs... Want to hear mine?.... It takes a giant amount of money to get them (quaded), that I will not spend... Therefore they are not a major part of my deck composition ;).... If I had a quad one, it probably wouldn't leave my deck ;) metadata What a joke. Terrible update. Hope swole isn't a bust,too metadata > *Originally posted by **[laciconklin](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697259)**:* > That is hilarious. I don't think I've seen anyone ask for mastery to affect PC cards. Is there a super secret kong/whale chat room I'm not aware of? From what I've read, a bunch of whales contacted Kong directly via email or support case. metadata > _Originally posted by **[Head_Kickin_It](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697263):**_ > Those top decks you're talking about do use a lot of pc cards, just in their defensive decks, which is the one people will face. They obviously don't use them as much in their offensive decks. Get a clue. Tbh it is fairly easy to beat all PC decks and often score 100 against them in rumble with a deck full of quadded items and characters, unless it's a ridiculous deck with say 20 Heavy metal Haley. They are mostly used to fill in gaps, and rarely win matches by themselves. metadata > _Originally posted by **[Deders2](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697278):**_ > > _Originally posted by **[Head_Kickin_It](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697263):**_ > > Those top decks you're talking about do use a lot of pc cards, just in their defensive decks, which is the one people will face. They obviously don't use them as much in their offensive decks. Get a clue. > > > > Tbh it is fairly easy to beat all PC decks and often score 100 against them in rumble with a deck full of quadded items and characters, unless it's a ridiculous deck with say 20 Heavy metal Haley. > > They are mostly used to fill in gaps, and rarely win matches by themselves. Okay sure. But how about in a month or two when that full PC deck is also all level 2-3 combo mastered as well? My viewpoint was that the only reason Combo Mastery was needed was to help the f2p/cheap2p community. OFC I was skeptical but given the benefit of the doubt that was really the one good thing and only reason I could see for this initiative. Expanding the mastery to include PC’s just completely destroyed that idea. metadata the gap between p2w and all the others will become more and more marked.. if you want to permanently kill the game, this is the correct way. metadata Basically, what you just said is the combo mastery is pretty much exclusive for PC decks, because there is very little effective benefit for having it apply to combos that take 2 turns to have the CHANCE at comboing, but with PC they are buying the buff DIRECTLY. Before combo mastery was announced and it was originally being discussed, an outcry went out from the community that this would allow players to buy their way to the top, and we were told that would not be possible and that all perspectives were valued. But this just amplifies it, beyond what anyone imagined. Seeing as this advantage only caters to one type of player, I have no doubt as to why you decided this way since it probably didn't generate as much enthusiasm and purchases as you had hoped, but it will hurt more of your players which will ultimately take away from your bottom line. > *Originally posted by **[ModchiKopi](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697248)**:* > Hello Everyone, > > We will soon be including Power Cards in Combo Mastery bonuses. > > In reviewing the feedback from early on to more recent, the mixed feedback still included a great deal of players in favor of including Power Cards. We understand that some players may be feeling concerned over the sheer strength of Power Cards, even without mastery. However, we found that Power Cards are not a majority in the deck composition of many top players, along with other factors, this indicates that Power Cards were not previously too overpowered. > > Including Power Cards with mastery bonuses will not only reduce the feeling that Power Cards have lost value, it will also help maintain balance from before Combo Mastery was introduced. Previously, the relative balance of Power Cards to regular combos was in pretty good shape and allowing Combo Mastery to affect both types of combos will help to preserve that balance. > > We will continue to watch feedback, deck composition, and balance; and may work on further updates if needed. Thank you again for all of the feedback, suggestions, and questions you have provided about Combo Mastery. When this update goes live, we will announce it with a mail message to all players. > > *** > To view the previous post about Combo Mastery and other plans the devs have for the game such as balancing, new BGEs, more cards and combos, etc. Please visit this thread: https://www.kongregate.com/forums/727066-general/topics/1653053-official-plans-for-throwdown-and-combo-mastery-improvements > metadata RIP IP Animation Throwdown metadata Hilarious? Rediculous. You say potatoe, I say potatoe... Either way, Modchi's post indicates a painful lack of understanding regarding how PC cards are used, as well as the detriment and benifiet they bring to the game as a whole. I doubt allowing PC's to get the Mastery buffs will be any sort of "end" to this game. But I call BS on anyone claiming PC's should get that bonus, or that it's in any way detrimental to the game for PC's to lack the Mastery buffs. I don't believe for a moment than anyone actually believes PC's deserve, need or should get the Mastery buff, rather a bunch of whiny, greedy, neckbeards want those buffs. Are they worried about the lack of those buffs "devaluing" their PC assortment? Probably, so get over it. Not having it will in no way weaken the use of the cards. Having it will however overpower the strength of laying out 3-5 in a row in SFC on defense. metadata Not really a fan of combo mastery in general but I am very displeased with this decision. You go out of your way to make existing cards worthless every new bge, and now you've decided that's not enough, time to make every card worthless until people throw $$ at it. metadata > *Originally posted by **[werenarc](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697273)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[laciconklin](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697259)**:* > > That is hilarious. I don't think I've seen anyone ask for mastery to affect PC cards. Is there a super secret kong/whale chat room I'm not aware of? > > From what I've read, a bunch of whales contacted Kong directly via email or support case. It looks like 100 of us is not even equal to the representation of just a single one of them. If they were going to cave, they should have at least not tried to rip off the players who are purchasing it for a CHANCE to play their combos by pricing it the same as those who are GUARANTEEING buffs for their PCs. These need to be separate currencies that are priced appropriately. But once again, when someone makes a purchase under this new method, it will be impossible to roll back and they will capitulate again. metadata Why take such a huge risk that can easily ruin your game completly just to satisfy a handfull of whales? When will this company finally start thinking about anything else then money? How about you use my golden middle way solution instead then? Let the whales have their op combo mastery pcs, but make it so that the bonus only counts when they attack. That way you wont piss off your entire f2p community by making whale def decks unbeatable. Damn im so tired of the way the greedy devs ruin this game. metadata There sure is a lot of pointless bitching going on. Why would a player who spends 100-1000 a month want to lose to a F2P player? That is a ridiculous. Whales will face other whales in order to enjoy the game. Making PC included just makes sense. If you are a F2p player you won’t be facing that kind of power anyways. Stop bitching and be happy to be playing a game you enjoy and be thankful whales exist to pay kong so this game can continue. Combo mastery is just a new tool in our arsenal. metadata > *Originally posted by **[Reiknar](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697295)**:* > Hilarious? Rediculous. You say potatoe, I say potatoe... > > Either way, Modchi's post indicates a painful lack of understanding regarding how PC cards are used, as well as the detriment and benifiet they bring to the game as a whole. I doubt allowing PC's to get the Mastery buffs will be any sort of "end" to this game. But I call BS on anyone claiming PC's should get that bonus, or that it's in any way detrimental to the game for PC's to lack the Mastery buffs. I don't believe for a moment than anyone actually believes PC's deserve, need or should get the Mastery buff, rather a bunch of whiny, greedy, neckbeards want those buffs. Are they worried about the lack of those buffs "devaluing" their PC assortment? Probably, so get over it. Not having it will in no way weaken the use of the cards. Having it will however overpower the strength of laying out 3-5 in a row in SFC on defense. haha love the flailing name calling; What you don't understand is you WON'T be able to lay out 3-5 of them when Mastered combos are wiping them out with one hit metadata Thanks Modchi this makes perfect sense. You cant buff one part of the card set and leave the rest out. (Espically if they cost on average 200$ each) metadata Combo Mastery was a long wait for a epic fail. Kong only listens to the Big Fish, every other opinion is worthless. metadata Boo. Hiss. One more shove pushing me to leaving this game. Way too many things have been done to make AT more profitable at the cost of making it a less good game. metadata Total capitulation to the high rollers. Guess Kong knows which side its bread is buttered on. Disappointing nonetheless. metadata > _Originally posted by **[IndustryDarling](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697282):**_ > > _Originally posted by **[Deders2](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697278):**_ > > > _Originally posted by **[Head_Kickin_It](/forums/726779/topics/1658976?page=1#12697263):**_ > > > Those top decks you're talking about do use a lot of pc cards, just in their defensive decks, which is the one people will face. They obviously don't use them as much in their offensive decks. Get a clue. > > > > > > > > Tbh it is fairly easy to beat all PC decks and often score 100 against them in rumble with a deck full of quadded items and characters, unless it's a ridiculous deck with say 20 Heavy metal Haley. > > > > They are mostly used to fill in gaps, and rarely win matches by themselves. > > Okay sure. But how about in a month or two when that full PC deck is also all level 2-3 combo mastered as well? > > My viewpoint was that the only reason Combo Mastery was needed was to help the f2p/cheap2p community. OFC I was skeptical but given the benefit of the doubt that was really the one good thing and only reason I could see for this initiative. Expanding the mastery to include PC’s just completely destroyed that idea. It will also help single and dual PC's, making a dual near to a quad PC, for much less gems metadata kong only cares about what brings them the most money, period. metadata > *Originally posted by **[Head_Kickin_It](/forums/727066/topics/1658976?page=1#12697263)**:* > Those top decks you're talking about do use a lot of pc cards, just in their defensive decks, which is the one people will face. They obviously don't use them as much in their offensive decks. Get a clue. This just confirms how out of touch they are with the game and its dynamics. None of them play the game as dedicated as the players who they dictate their changes to, and they aren't in any of the top guilds, so have very little idea how bad this decision will drive away players. « Prev

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