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CATMULLThe baby is ugly. Our first versions, as John says, are the worst things you've ever seen. So that means you have to have a different mindset, which is that you're protecting something which doesn't work. Well, how do you judge it? Because we think in terms of you judge a team by their output. Well, I just told you that their output always sucks to being with. So what are you supposed to do? And the way we think about it is we have to look at the team itself. Are they having a good time? Are they laughing? Do they like each other?