>I have often seen public telivision stations (the only ones who seem to have

>enough intelligence to show Dr. Who) offering instructions to knit or otherwise

>make a Dr. Who (Tom Baker) Scarf. These have always somehow eluded me. Does

>anyone know where I can get them?

>

>

>Andrew Schmidt

>

Here's a pattern that someone gave me - my mother and sister knitted it

for a X-mas present last year. The person who gave it to me is

'drwho@athena.mit.edu' Hope some of you are interested in it:

Here is the official BBC pattern: USe no.9 american needles, and start by

chaining 60 stitches. Always slip the first stitch of each row. Make rows in

the following order:

8 purple 8 mustard 12 grey

52 camel 18 rust 8 mustard

16 bronze 8 purple 20 bronze

10 mustard 38 bronze 10 purple

22 rust 10 camel 12 camel

8 purple 8 grey 32 grey

20 green 40 rust 10 rust

8 mustard 14 mustard 16 mustard

28 camel 20 green

14 rust 8 purple

8 bronze 42 camel

10 purple 12 bronze

42 green (where I am right now) 20 grey

8 mustard 8 rust

16 grey 12 purple

8 rust 6 camel

54 camel 14 mustard

10 purple 54 green

12 green 16 rust

how much you'll need: 6oz wool of camel, 4 oz of "greenish brown" (try to get

almost an amalgam of the two colors, 4 oz of rust, 4 oz of bronze, 3 oz each of

purple, grey and mustard.

afterwards: make 7 tassels of each end, each made up of 1 foot starnds of each

of the 7 colors.

I like the way mine turned out, I hope yours does as well!

******************************************************************************

* Richard L. Carreiro GO CELTS! * He did it! He did it! *

* rlcarr@athena.mit.edu * Flutie did it! He did it! *

******************************************************************************

** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI ** SPOILERS FROM TIME AND THE RANI **

A while back, I posted a request for all those funny mis-sayings that

Sylvester McCoy spouted forth in TIME AND THE RANI. Well, thanks to

all of you who sent in your quotes! But the most complete version

came from these folks, who had everything I had and more.

Their info is posted below...

"Time and the Rani" Malapropisms

--------------------------------

Episode 1)

~~~~~~~~~~

Fit as a trombone.

A bad workman always blames his fools.

Won't be a jiffy.

Absence makes the nose grow longer.

Episode 2)

~~~~~~~~~~

More hasta less vista.

A kangaroo never forgets.

"Stop the Melodramatics"

{ While not a malapropism, a truly WONDERFUL pun reminiscent

of Colin Baker's Doctor. }

The proof of the pumpkin is in the squeezing.

Where there's a will, there's a Tom, Dick and Harriot.

Episode 3)

~~~~~~~~~~

All good things come to a bend.

There's none so deaf as those that clutch at straws.

A bird in the hand keeps the Doctor away.

Out of the frying pan into the mire.

Episode 4)

~~~~~~~~~~

A fool and his formula are soon parted. (as Brain)

Blessed are the piemakers for they shall make light pastry. (as Brain)

Every dogma has its day. (as Brain)

Does that mean, the faster a fat man runs, the fatter he'll get. (as Brain)

{ An EXCELLENT application of general relativity! }

Two wrongs don't make a left turn... RIGHT!

"Leave the quotes to the expert, Mel."

He who dares, Spins. (?)

* "That means Shakespeare, Michaelangelo, Louis Pasteur, Elvis, even Mrs.

Malaprop will never have existed."

~~~~~~~~

{ ...always name your sources!... }

As you snore so shall you sleep

Waste net, want net.

{ hehehe! I thought of USENET when I heard this one. }

Where there's a will, there's a ... benificiary.

All hands to the stumps.

A miss is as good as a smile.

Memory like a dromedary.

Time and tide melts the Snowman.

Permission to reprint the previous drek is granted. Just be sure to

credit "Bill Eggleston" and myself, "Chris Cooley" for our submission.

<<Eric's note: Nah, I'll let you credit yourselves! Thanks, guys!>>

- ERIC - * Another proud CoCo 3 user *

Answers to frequently asked questions:

1. What is the Doctor's name?

The main character of "Doctor Who" has been referred to by several

different labels. These include:

Theta Sigma, used by Drax on the Planet of the Shadow (The Armageddon

Factor). This is supposedly an old school name.

Doctor Who, has been used in a couple episodes, most notably The War

Machines, were WOTAN is calling for "Doctor Who". The role was credited

as "Doctor Who" until Castrovalva, where the name changed to:

The Doctor. This seems to be what he is called most often.

Doctor van Wer, was used in The Highlanders.

In Colony in Space, a name was presented, but was unreadable, on a

Gallifreyan computer.

Dr. Caligari was used in The Gunfighters.

Dr. Foreman was hinted at in An Unearthly Child.

Dr. John Smith was the alias the Doctor used while he was UNIT's unpaid

scientific advisor.

In The Trial of a Time Lord, one section of the matrix had the Doctor

almost saying his name while on Revlux. He never finishes the sentence.

2. Please explain Romana's regeneration.

There is not good explanation, but net discussions have yielded these

possibilities:

a: Romana is wasteful

b: Romana had achieved a higher level in the Academy, and hence the

ability to "try-on bodies"

c: Romana, unlike the Doctor, regenerated "Without Stress". What I

mean by this is that the Doctor could choose and "Try-on bodies" like

Romana did *IF* there was no stress about his regeneration.

d: Romana used a holographic technique to present different possible

appearances for her body before regenerating into the chosen shape.

3. Will there ever be a woman Doctor?

While it may be possible for a male<->female regeneration, it is

unlikely that a woman will be cast as the Doctor in the near future.

This whole controversy started with Tom Baker intentionally stirring

up the hornets nest by saying when he left the part, "And I'd like

to wish the new Doctor, whoever he or she may be..."

4. Which story had an appearance John Cleese?

John Cleese appeared with Eleanor Bron as art critics in City of Death.

5. What is Temporal Grace?

Temporal Grace is the quality which is alleged to prevent the use of

weapons inside a TARDIS. It has not been working in the Doctor's

TARDIS.

6. Is David Agnew really a pseudonym for Douglas Adams?

Yes, with Graham Williams. It was also used by Graham Williams and

Anthony Read.

7. Was Castrovalva the first Peter Davison story filmed?

Castrovalva WAS the fourth Peter Davison story made. The others were

made in advance to allow the Doctor character to settle (hard to do

with three other characters to write for...). In order, they were:

Four to Doomsday, The Visitation, and Kinda.

8. Is it OK to discuss subjects other than Doctor Who in this

newsgroup?

Strictly speaking, this newsgroup has been set up for discussions

about Doctor Who, however other topics do occasionally find their

way into this group. Blake's 7 is the most frequent "intruder",

and it is accepted by nearly every reader. Also appearing is

The Prisoner, and other British television shows.

There have been efforts to make a newsgroup for The Prisoner, and

for British television, but they never received enough support

to justify creation.

9. What is the "Spoilers" list?

The Spoilers list is a mailing list for discussions of upcoming events

in Doctor Who. News of the new season, as well as discussions of

episodes most people haven't seen yet can take place here. To join

send your email address to terminus!spoilers, specify if you want

back issues, please.

10. What is wrong with Ressurection of the Daleks?

The BBC shipped to Lionheart, the US distributor of Doctor Who, and

unfinished copy of Ressurection. In the movie version, a large

part of the second half of the story is completely lacking in sound

effects and background music. In the episode version, Episode Two

is similarly lacking. They've said they plan to fix it, but it has

been broken for several years now...

--

James C. Armstrong, Jnr. (nicmad,ulysses,ihnp4)!terminus!nyssa

"It was only a small explosion" Who said it, what story?

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In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:

>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:

>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.

>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.

Yep.

So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.

Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,

even at point blank range. It took a hail of bullets or explosives

at best to destroy one.

--

James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP

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My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.

(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have

one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they

certainly qualify.)

The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister

of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled

from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them

dead ringers.

I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??

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THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY

by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,

Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne

<* Part II *>

When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem

natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter. Not

surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".

Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest. It was during this period of

dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil

War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords

thought). Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the

Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader. He wanted a joint High Council, with

representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to

make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's

aritsocrats). But he especially desired the Presidency.

If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly

didn't approve of the latter. And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of

his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve. But Morbius

escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the

Capitol. In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole

generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.

Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final

confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's

bystanding populace.

Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance

of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have

preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.

Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius

would be the first Time Lord to be executed. During this announcement, Pandad

misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.

Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,

Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been

encased.

Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords

agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their

life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case

something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and

returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey. Although Morbius was regarded

as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed

a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council. However, the

President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter. As a

result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job. Not that he minded geatly as

he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix. Throughout

these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only

discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.

Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.

All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of

Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well. After the ex-Chancellor

regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,

Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey. Needless to say, with his work

still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High

Council, declaring them as hypocrites. In fear of the Council's response, he

fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron. Angry at

this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he

was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded

as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.

Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero

Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the

Matrix.

It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords

was turning out some of its best students. It was also a time of strife as

many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to

live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey. These few realised

that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.

In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one

Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities. One

was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a

titled earned through his constant bullying of other students. He was a very

good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice. His contemporary from

the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,

spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments. The third

dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,

and chemistry in particular.

As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa

that they had little future on Gallifrey. The Master was the first to escape,

by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library

after hours, and thus discover a special book. Although the Master never found

the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair. Salyavin

was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the

theft of the book was a very special crime. Somewhat bitter for being

imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite

the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him. The High

Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada. About fifty years

later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had

survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it

again in a hurry.

The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for

many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no

violations of time took lace. However, he made it abundantly clear that he

wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman. Eventually,

he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the

repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his

quest. All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the

Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon. Inside the Matrix, although their

bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on. Without the

need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use

of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers

back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.

Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for

dark and evil. These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing

the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into

total chaos or total docility. The power Rassilon gave these astral

projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to

literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or

too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side

of the Universe. Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)

then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up

the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.

This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if

need be, to meddle in the affairs of others. The CIA were of course not

generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's

existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the

President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents

and the APC Net. The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside

Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't

until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the

Doctor suspected he was being used.

When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the

Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and

met his future self. Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried

to escape the Time Lords. Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'

help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human

soldiers. The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was

actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)

and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier. The

Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.

The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian

Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra. Socra was also a member of

the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that. The Doctor was exiled

to Earth and his features were once again altered. Socra also had orders not

to lose contact with the Doctor. Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,

seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the

President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.

Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.

The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time

beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.

The release came at the end of the Omega incident. The Matrix Lords

could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,

but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they

couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain. Omega,

deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his

brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them

time travel. Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair

provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra

convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed. Pandad insisted on an

explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become

official. Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition

would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be

maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.

Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and

contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal

Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him. The Rani was now a high

ranking official at the Academy herself. She developed a way of making life

grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes. A by-product of this

was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.

One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.

Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was

eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg. After he had

regenerated to save himself, an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new

Chancellor, and exiled the Rani. He never found himself another cat, and, as

he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one

since.

The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV

regretted to his dying day. This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years

later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he

couldn't possibly become President. The position was offered to Cardinal

Borus. By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to

depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President. This would be a break with

tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.

Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the

facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.

Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,

he never took the post up. Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High

Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in

charge. Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a

Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume. Borusa was reluctantly

glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade

resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:

he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a

little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading. It was a long,

though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through

stress.

The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of

Borusa's machinations. He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great

Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --

something strictly forbidden! Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy

for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa. Borusa meanwhile had

built himself a High Council of some repute. Although a Prydonian himself, he

had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called

Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary

Gallifreyan, the Castellan. Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a

decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.

It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had

really failed to destroy Omega. Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega

deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to "the old ways" (the reason

Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge. Once again,

however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted. Hedin died and the

High Council was in disarray. The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa

would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the

fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.

Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord

such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after

Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the

Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.

He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark

Tower. The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under

the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had

to be investigated. First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited

the Zone. Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from

nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced

them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting

psychis energy into elemental weaponry.

Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,

in all his five incarnations. Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in

the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the

dangers. He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the

massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.

Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the

b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap

and played The Game...and lost. Borusa received his immortality, as a living

bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon. The Doctor was returned home, and left

Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.

The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new

High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines. The latest

order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain

an intelligent cat. And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The

Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly. She called

the cat Doctor...

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In your nth article, you write :

> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!

>

> {blah, blah, blah..}

>

> Era review -

> The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the

> early Pertwee's. JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did. He lost

> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly. The stories

> are far too uniform in style. Perhaps varying story length and style would

> help. JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant

> changes in production staff and writers. Unfortunately, the series is now

> geared for Americans.

=========

Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the

series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before

this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let

me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most

enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be

sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded

plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the

Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is

getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.

The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and

a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't

insult the viewer. Any PhD could be entertained without being embarrassed.

The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the

history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely

paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets

of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because

it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame

to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the

misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.

Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script

than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more

like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should

realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned

the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this

finds its way to you-know-who !

In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>

> Heisenberg still applies. Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be

> measured passively: simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation. So it

> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without

> altering it. This means that the momentum of any particles in that region

> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be

> infinitely indeterminate.

Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances. Simply

make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,

being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe. When

the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.

Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may

well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).

(The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)

mak

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The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show. During

"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two

soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a

machine gun. Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns

are useless. During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into

their heads that shoot some sort of spark.

When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to

hand held laser guns.

When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen, one of Litton's

men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.

Steven Widom

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In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:

>> Unfortunately, the series is now

>> geared for Americans.

> =========

>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the

>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.

I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America

bashing as bashing American television SF. Even you did that later:

> Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more

>like American SciFi.

I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed

Doctor Who in depth. While I may not always agree with them on

every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television

and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to

blow it to hell.

Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to

a series of high budget SF on American television. This budget is

used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.

Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?

Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still

worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a

good story, no special effects budget will save you.

It seems you agree with me:

>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script

>than SFX.

> I hope this

>finds its way to you-know-who !

If you want it to:

John Nathan-Turner

Doctor Who Production Office

BBC-Television Centre

Wood Lane

London W12 7RJ

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In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:

>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]

I shall try. Do the same for me?

> Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was

>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.

I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with

a couple points.

>> A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]

> I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.

Nope. Louis & Joe were correct.

>>Four to Doomsday -

> I don't remember this one at all. I guess I haven't seen it enough

>times.

Quite an indictment... It really was unmemorable!

>>Earthshock -

> Adric dies. Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he

>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley

>Crusher).

When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons

Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived

three months later.

> I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,

>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The

>Doctor had died.

Yes, you've forgotten something: Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both

died in The Dalek Masterplan.

>>Resurrection of the Daleks -

>> This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]

> Why did they do this? It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes

>precisely that: Odd.

The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the

four episodes into two.

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In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:

>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still

>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a

>good story, no special effects budget will save you.

Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had

"good stories". I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were

faced with having done everything. I would hardly call "Revenge of the

Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from

Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories. At least not

in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/

characterization sense either.

I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day. In fact,

to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal. He may be

a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character

of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism. Look,

here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?

Naah! "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"

Sheesh. Flame off. Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still

one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.

--

Jay Hinkelman

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But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!

Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force

field appears under their base and up they go.

They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with

strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.

I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters

behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they

are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with

it I suppose.

Nathan Brazil IS God !!!!!!!!

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After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the

Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not

an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die

at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him

in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have

finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based

on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!

He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an

open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were

extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration

peculiarities. What do you think?

Gary Duzan

Time Lord

Third Regeneration

p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to

know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.

GD,TL,TR

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In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:

>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as

>happening four times before?

>

>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this

>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the

>Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,

>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were

>taken out of their timelines and then put back.

>

In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:

>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:

>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.

>>

>>To quote one DWB, "If Joe Blow can kill a Cyberman with an ordinary

>>bullet, then who needs the Doctor?" (not really an exact quote).

>>

>>Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd

>

>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.

Yeah, but when you consider the thousands of rounds fired at the

Cybermen previous to this, by groups like U.N.I.T. and such, with

nary a dent, I think it's a bit too much of a change. Maybe UNIT's

problem was that they were using blanks... hey, that would explain

a lot.... Hmmm....

Mark Modig

attunix!mom

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Cybermen:

Yup. When you get REAL close to a cyberman, you can do things like stuff a gun

into some little hole in its armor (or its chest plate), and it'll probably

do a LOT of damage, like a bullet bounces around in a tank (or so I've heard).

This is the problem: not many people can shoot at a near-invisible moving

hole in armor and expect to hit it, certainly not UNIT troopers at medium rifle

range.

The Watcher:

It is my understanding that the Watcher was formed from the "great forces" that

were going on during the destruction of Logopolis and the disappearance of the

known universe. The Doctor was affected in that one of his regenerations got

sent backwards in time, and became The Watcher

Michael Lewchuk

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In article <939@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:

>Other forthcoming books are The War

>Machines, the Wheel in Space (attention you Cyberman fans), Edge of

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I just read The Wheel in Space, and the last page announces the

1988 Doctor Who 25 Year Bonanza Competition! 1st prize is a trip

to the DW studios and lunch with the Doctor, 2nd prize is a complete

set of DW novels, and 25 runners-up will receive The Commemorative

Volume: "Doctor Who - 25 Glorious Years". Unfortunately, there is

a disclaimer printed very small at the bottom which reads "This

competition is open to residents of the UK only..." Damn. Contests

can be so much fun.

Although it doesn't really matter now, since the dealine was September

30, the questions you had to answer on the entry form were:

1. What date was the first episode of Doctor Who broadcast on television?

2. Who played the first Doctor Who's assistant?

3. I read Doctor Who books because___________________________. (no

more than 15 words)

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In article <8844@watdragon.waterloo.edu> kgschlueter@violet.waterloo.edu (Kevin Schlueter) writes:

>In article <940@muddcs.Claremont.EDU> ghogenso@muddcs.Claremont.EDU (Gordon Hogenson) writes:

>>One Cyberman in Attack was actually killed with an ordinary bullet.

>Let's be fair here. That bullet was literally at point blank range.

Yep.

So was the pipe that decapitated a cyberman in the same story.

Point is, in earlier stories, cybermen were not destroyed by bullets,

even at point blank range. It took a hail of bullets or explosives

at best to destroy one.

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My favourite pointless villains are not the Cybermen, but the Silurians.

(Purists would say that they're not villains, but given that they have

one of the prime villain characteristics--skulking around in tunnels--they

certainly qualify.)

The Silurians all bear a remarkable resemblance to a former Prime Minister

of Canada, the Right Hon. John George Diefenbaker (deceased), who ruled

from 1958 to 1963. The jowls, the voice, even the green skin, make them

dead ringers.

I hope nobody is going to blame the Silurians on JN-T??

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standing?"

-- Marvin the Paranoid Android

THE LEGACY OF GALLIFREY

by Martin Wiggins, Gordon Blows,

Trevor Phillips, and Stephen Payne

<* Part II *>

When he passed on the Presidency to Pandad, Rassilon had made it seem

natural that the Presidency should stay in the Prydomian chapter. Not

surprisingly, harsh voices were raised in dissent at his "accepted wisdom".

Morbius, the Patrex Councillor, had the loudest. It was during this period of

dissatisfaction that the next great event in Time Lord history occured -- Civil

War (or really terribly uncivil war as many of the dormice-like Time Lords

thought). Morbius, a very popular man amongst the Patrexes, and even the

Arcalians, suddenly became a cul leader. He wanted a joint High Council, with

representatives of all three castes working for the people, and a decree to

make all Gallifreyans Time Lords (not just the descendents of Rassilon's

aritsocrats). But he especially desired the Presidency.

If Pandad was considering either of the first two demands, he certainly

didn't approve of the latter. And so he tried to exile Morbius and a few of

his followers, in an effort to show his strength and resolve. But Morbius

escaped, and travelled through time, amassing a huge army of evil to attack the

Capitol. In the ensuing war, the loss of life was quite horrific -- with whole

generations of Time Lords and ordinary Gallifreyans dying in the battle.

Eventually Pandad drove Morbius' army to the planet Karn where, in a final

confrontation, the two armies were destroyed, as was most of the planet's

bystanding populace.

Morbius was captured and faced a trial on Karn -- much to the annoyance

of the Sisterhood of Karn, or rather the survivors of it, who would have

preferred the whole disastrous business to have taken place on Gallifrey.

Pandad sent Morbius' army back from whence they came, and stated that Morbius

would be the first Time Lord to be executed. During this announcement, Pandad

misjudged his footing and stepped back over a precipice, falling to his death.

Pandemonium ensued, and in the midst of the confusion an Arcalian Cardinal,

Helron, managed to operate the disintegration chamber in which Morbius had been

encased.

Having made reasonable peace with the Sisterhood Of Karn (the Time Lords

agreed to protect them, if the Sisterhood supplied them with some of their

life-giving Elixir, which allows Time Lords to regenerate properly in case

something goes wrong with the process), Helron declared himself President and

returned with an Arcalian council to Gallifrey. Although Morbius was regarded

as evil, his claims had some effect on Time Lord society, and so Helron placed

a Cardianl and a Councillor from each caste on the High Council. However, the

President and his Chancellor would always be from the same chapter. As a

result of these changes, Azmeal was out of a job. Not that he minded geatly as

he set his mind to investigate the secret's of Rassilon's Matrix. Throughout

these experiments, Azmeal always had a nagging feeling that he was only

discovering those facts to which something, somewhere, was leading him.

Rassilon was continuing to help the Time Lords.

All this time, Helron and his High Council grew increasingly wary of

Azmeal, and possibly a little afraid of him as well. After the ex-Chancellor

regenerated for the last time, many thousands of years after Morbius' crusade,

Helron decided to remove Azmeal from Gallifrey. Needless to say, with his work

still uncompleted, Azmeal resented this decision and spoke out against the High

Council, declaring them as hypocrites. In fear of the Council's response, he

fled Gallifrey only to be hunted down by alien employees of Helron. Angry at

this transgression of the Laws Of Time, and at the destruction of the planet he

was on by the warriors who were searching for him, Azmeal returned, now branded

as the first rebegade Time Lord, and massacred Helron and his High Council.

Immediately a new High Council came into power, decreed Azmeal Public Hero

Number One, and allowed him to escape Gallifrey to complete his work on the

Matrix.

It was during this time of reorganizing that the Academy of Time Lords

was turning out some of its best students. It was also a time of strife as

many Time Lords and Gallifreyans were remouncing their society, choosing to

live on other planets or in the outer wastes of Gallifrey. These few realised

that Rassilon was right and Gallifrey had fallen into decay.

In particular, three students at the academy, two Prydonians and one

Arcalian, consistently conducted rebellious, anti-heirarchical activities. One

was a thoroughly unpleasant egotist who liked to be known as the Master -- a

titled earned through his constant bullying of other students. He was a very

good cosmic theoretician, but not skilled in practice. His contemporary from

the Prydonian chapter was known as the Doctor who, with a friend called Drax,

spent most of his tme carrying out silly chemical experiments. The third

dissenter was an Arcalian girl called Rani, who was brilliant at everything,

and chemistry in particular.

As the three grew up, and apart, it became obvious to Cardianl Borusa

that they had little future on Gallifrey. The Master was the first to escape,

by gaining Professor Salyavin's permission to investigate the Academy library

after hours, and thus discover a special book. Although the Master never found

the book, he left Salyavin well and truly implicated in the affair. Salyavin

was then to be imprisoned on a special Time Lord prison planet, because the

theft of the book was a very special crime. Somewhat bitter for being

imprisoned for not really committing a crime, Salyavin decided that to spite

the High Council he would steal the book and take it with him. The High

Council never knew this and so Slyavin vanished to Shada. About fifty years

later the book was also discovered lost, but no one really cared; they had

survived withtout it for a few thousand years, and probably wouldn't need it

again in a hurry.

The Doctor, meanwhile, became a Councillor on the High Council, and for

many years sat and watched the Universe and basically ensured that no

violations of time took lace. However, he made it abundantly clear that he

wanted more from life than to act as an intergalactic policeman. Eventually,

he followed the Master's trail and, stealing a Type 40 TARDIS Mark I from the

repair shop, took along his equally nosey young granddaughter with him on his

quest. All this time, the Doctor's travels were being watched...not by the

Time Lords or the Master, but by Rassilon. Inside the Matrix, although their

bodies were long dead, the minds of the Time Lords carried on. Without the

need for physical awareness, their mental powers developed, and through the use

of the Amplified Panatropic Computation (APC) network, stretched their powers

back into the phusical world, not only on Gallifrey but everywhere.

Rassilon created two forces, a force for light and good, and a force for

dark and evil. These two entities existed on the astral plane, each needing

the other to keep universal harmony; to prevent the Universe from sinking into

total chaos or total docility. The power Rassilon gave these astral

projections was a key, The Key To Time which, when assembled, could be used to

literally stop the Universe, and if it had slipped slightly too far good, or

too far evil, these projections could therefore control the non-physical side

of the Universe. Rassilon and the Time Lords in the Matrix (the Matrix Lords)

then agreed to use a physical force outside the APC Net onGallifrey, and set up

the Celestial Intervention Agency (CIA), a flippant title, but a honest one.

This select group of Time Lords were able to break the Laws of Time, if

need be, to meddle in the affairs of others. The CIA were of course not

generally credited on Gallifrey, so very few Gallifreyans knew of it's

existence, and frequently its operators thought they were working for the

President when in fact they were working for Rassilon, through his CIA agents

and the APC Net. The CIA, however, needed also needed an agent outside

Gallifrey, and Rassilon decreed it should be the Doctor, although it wasn't

until the incident with the Great Intelligence in London on Earth that the

Doctor suspected he was being used.

When the CIA openly contacted him and involved him in an attempt by the

Sontarans to discover time travel, the Doctor broke the Firt Law Of Time and

met his future self. Although it was accidental, the Doctor desperately tried

to escape the Time Lords. Eventually, however, he required the Time Lords'

help when a massive transportation through time was neede for some human

soldiers. The Time Lords caught the culprits (one of the High Council was

actually involved with the project although he died during the final battle)

and dealt out the same fate that had befallen the Fendahl eons earlier. The

Doctor was put on trial and three members of the High Council sentenced him.

The three were a Prydonian Councillor called Goth, Adelphi, an Arcalian

Councillor and the new Prydonian Chancellor, Socra. Socra was also a member of

the CIA but no one, not even the President, knew that. The Doctor was exiled

to Earth and his features were once again altered. Socra also had orders not

to lose contact with the Doctor. Thus it was when the Master arrived on Earth,

seeking revenge against the Doctor for past deeds, Socra persuaded the

President, Pandad IV, to send a member of the High Council to warn the Doctor.

Now that they had warned the Doctor, the CIA made use of him as a free agent.

The Doctor naturally resented this, but knew it was only a matter of time

beofre the CIA, probably through Socra, convinced Pandad IV to release him.

The release came at the end of the Omega incident. The Matrix Lords

could forsee anything, they could even implant visions inside people's minds,

but even they were unprepared for Omega's revenge, as the one place they

couldn't explore was anti-matter...and that was Omega's domain. Omega,

deserted and believed long-dead, decided the time was right to strike at his

brother Gallifreyans and receive the recognition he deserved for giving them

time travel. Although Omega was finally defeated by the Doctor, the affair

provided a new awareness on Gallifrey, and once it was over, Chancellor Socra

convinced the President that the Doctor should be freed. Pandad insisted on an

explanation, and so The Matrix Lords allowed the existence of the CIA to become

official. Yet Pandad IV didn't, arguing that such an official recognition

would weaken the people's belief in the High Council; appearances had to be

maintained and so, once again, the CIA faded into myth.

Satisfied that things were going his way, Pandad IV became a relaxed and

contented President, until the chemical work of an ex-student of Cardinal

Borusa's days at the Academy got the better of him. The Rani was now a high

ranking official at the Academy herself. She developed a way of making life

grow from an embryo to maturity in a matter of minutes. A by-product of this

was, however, that the animals grew somewhat larger than they should have been.

One day a mouse she was experimenting on escaped and attacked the High Council.

Socra died in the animal's jaws, but more importantly Pandad IV's cat was

eaten, along with the lower half of the Preident's leg. After he had

regenerated to save himself, an irate Pandad IV appointed Goth as his new

Chancellor, and exiled the Rani. He never found himself another cat, and, as

he was the last of the "normal" President's as we know it, no one has had one

since.

The choice of Goth as the new Chancellor was something Pandad IV

regretted to his dying day. This momentous occasion occurred some thiry years

later when Pandad IV informed the Chancellor that, as he was in that office, he

couldn't possibly become President. The position was offered to Cardinal

Borus. By this time, Goth had met the Master, and together they planned to

depose Pandad IV and have Goth elected President. This would be a break with

tradition that Goth would ensure by blackmailing the CIA into helping him.

Goth's plan failed and the Master left him to die, although Borusa changed the

facts so that far from beings Pandad IV's assassin, Goth became a hero.

Although the Doctor had declared himself a candidate for the Presidency,

he never took the post up. Whilst the Presidency was unfilled, the High

Council ratified Borusa's promotion to Chancellor, which left him virtually in

charge. Thus, when the Sontarans invaded Gallifrey, Time Lord was without a

Presidency, a position the Doctor returned to assume. Borusa was reluctantly

glad of the Doctor's help in defeating the aliens, and, after the renegade

resigned, Borusa took charge of Gallifrey and made some sweeping changes:

he reduced the High Council, tightened up on security and made the Time Lords a

little more aware of the decadent lifestyle they were leading. It was a long,

though worthwhile, struggle, and cost Borusa a regeneration lost through

stress.

The CIA also seemed to vanish, but The Matrix Lords were well aware of

Borusa's machinations. He had been Chancellor, he had known about The Great

Key and had even worn the Sash Of Rassilon, and now he was President --

something strictly forbidden! Accordingly, Rassilon had laid a trap to destroy

for good someone as evil and power-hungry as Borusa. Borusa meanwhile had

built himself a High Council of some repute. Although a Prydonian himself, he

had an Arcalian Chancellor -- a lady called Thalia, a Prydonian Cardinal called

Zorac and Hedin, a Councillor of the Patrex chapter, and the required ordinary

Gallifreyan, the Castellan. Together, this Council strove to make Gallifrey a

decent place, and for many years succeeded -- until Omega re-emerged.

It seemed that the CIA had been wrong all this time, and the Doctor had

really failed to destroy Omega. Using Councillor Hedin as a link, Omega

deceived him, playing on the old man's loyalty to "the old ways" (the reason

Borusa had put him on the Council) to help him return for revenge. Once again,

however, with the help of the Doctor, Omega was thwarted. Hedin died and the

High Council was in disarray. The Matrix Lords could forsee a time when Borusa

would lead Gallifrey into ruination and so Rassilon put into play, for only the

fourth time since his physical death, The Game Of Rassilon.

Borusa finally sought immortality, genuinely believing that a Time Lord

such as he, who had twice seen Omega defeated, seen the Master defeated after

Pandad's assassination, and played such an active part in the repulsion of the

Sontaran attack, should become President Eternal, and rule Gallifrey forever.

He reactivated The Death Zone and tried to see how best to get into The Dark

Tower. The first thing he did was to send in one of the High Council, under

the pretence that The Death Zone was being used by an external force which had

to be investigated. First Cardinal Zorac and then Chancellor Flavia visited

the Zone. Neither survived the lightening bolts that seemed to come from

nowhere -- although had anyone been able to trace them, they would have traced

them back to the Astral plane of the Matrix, where Rassilon was transmuting

psychis energy into elemental weaponry.

Eventually Borusa decided that to clear the way he would use the Doctor,

in all his five incarnations. Borusa was aware there were still obsructions in

the timefields from the early days, and so he needed scouts to remove the

dangers. He used the earliest Doctor to destroy the remaining Daleks, but the

massive force of Cybermen needed far more to bring about their destruction.

Having rid himself of the Castellan, whom he used as a scapegoat to take the

b;ame for reactivating The Death Zone, Borusa finally fell into Rassilon's trap

and played The Game...and lost. Borusa received his immortality, as a living

bust deep within The Tomb Of Rassilon. The Doctor was returned home, and left

Chancellor Flavia, a Prydonian lady, as acting-President.

The first thing Flavia did was to destroy the Gaming Room and, with a new

High Council, set about running Gallifrey along the correct lines. The latest

order Acting-President Flavia enacted was to report that she intended to obtain

an intelligent cat. And somehow she felt that deep from within the Matrix, The

Matrix Lords, and Rassilon in particular, agreed wholeheartedly. She called

the cat Doctor...

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In your nth article, you write :

> Hold on to your seats, everyone...the end is almost here!

>

> {blah, blah, blah..}

>

> Era review -

> The era relies very heavily on visual items...the most since the

> early Pertwee's. JN-T should have left when Peter Davison did. He lost

> creativity and good writers then, and it shows very profoundly. The stories

> are far too uniform in style. Perhaps varying story length and style would

> help. JN-T never stuck with a winning team, as shown by the constant

> changes in production staff and writers. Unfortunately, the series is now

> geared for Americans.

=========

Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the

series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot. Before

this becomes a flame that will require a UN peace-keeping force, let

me say, as an American, that I have enjoyed DW. It is overall, the most

enduring, and respectable shows this side of Galifrey. JN-T is, to be

sure, less than competent. The new format of the show, and the simple-minded

plots for the SM Dr. will never sell in America -- no matter what the

Ad-men say. In the U.S., every devoted fan of DW that I've heard is

getting fed up with the intellectual pablum from Lionhart these days.

The TB Dr. (before JN-T) had character, spirit, a love for science and

a child-like curiosity. The stories (though sometimes pat) didn't

insult the viewer. Any PhD could be entertained without being embarrassed.

The fluff we get these days is sickening. The writers are ignorant of the

history and basic story-line of the show. Since Americans are largely

paying for it, the series is being over-priced right out of the budgets

of most PBS affiliates who carry it. If this sounds grim, that's because

it is. If it makes you angry, it should. It would be a national shame

to the Britons if the show dies because of petty economics, or the

misguided plans of the producer. Bring back TB or JP for a reunion.

Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script

than SFX. Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more

like American SciFi. Even if JN-T is the worst egomanic, he should

realize that it would be better to go down as the producer who turned

the Who-ship around, rather than the #$%!@# who sank it ! I hope this

finds its way to you-know-who !

In article <12634@ncoast.UUCP>, allbery@ncoast.UUCP (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>

> Heisenberg still applies. Temperature, unlike position or momentum, can be

> measured passively: simply arrange to detect any emitted radiation. So it

> is possible to determine if a region of space is at absolute zero without

> altering it. This means that the momentum of any particles in that region

> must be zero -- at which point (via Heisenberg) their position must be

> infinitely indeterminate.

Perhaps this is a way to travel through vast distances. Simply

make the <thing> exist at absolute zero, then the position,

being indeterminate, could be anywhere in the universe. When

the <thing> heats up again, it may materialize someplace else.

Thus, in the lab, any specimen reduced to absolute zero may

well disappear (at least from this portion of the universe).

(The car *was* frozen in _Back to the Future_)

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The effectiveness of bullets has varied from show to show. During

"Revenge? of the Cybermen", When Tom Bakers' Doctor meets them, two

soldeirs from Nova Becon try invain to kill attacking cybermen with a

machine gun. Latter the inhabitants of Voga find out that their guns

are useless. During this episode, the Cybermen have guns built into

their heads that shoot some sort of spark.

When Peter Davidsons' (sp?) Doctor meets the Cybermen, they have switched to

hand held laser guns.

When Colin BaKer's Doctor and Peri meet the Cybermen, one of Litton's

men kills one with a hand gun at point blank range.

Steven Widom

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In article <9686@cup.portal.com> Armstead_Phil_Smith@cup.portal.com writes:

>> Unfortunately, the series is now

>> geared for Americans.

> =========

>Do I detect a bid of nationalistic snobbery ? If JN-T has botched the

>series, go burn him in effigee... America bashing is a cheap shot.

I suspect you have missed the point, this is not so much America

bashing as bashing American television SF. Even you did that later:

> Honestly, the last thing JN-T should want is to make DW more

>like American SciFi.

I've met both Joe and Louis at conventions, and we have discussed

Doctor Who in depth. While I may not always agree with them on

every point, we to tend to feel that American comercial television

and particularly American TVSF isn't worth the powder and shot to

blow it to hell.

Since the demise of the original Star Trek, we have been treated to

a series of high budget SF on American television. This budget is

used for special effects, and not for getting good scripts.

Funny, isn't that a frequent complaint against JNT's Doctor Who?

Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still

worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a

good story, no special effects budget will save you.

It seems you agree with me:

>Bring in enthusiastic, talented writers. Pay closer attention to script

>than SFX.

> I hope this

>finds its way to you-know-who !

If you want it to:

John Nathan-Turner

Doctor Who Production Office

BBC-Television Centre

Wood Lane

London W12 7RJ

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In article <7302@well.UUCP> ewhac@well.UUCP (Leo 'Bols Ewhac' Schwab) writes:

>[ Follow the bouncing ! ]

I shall try. Do the same for me?

> Well, the comprehensive review of the John Nathan-Turner era was

>most interesting, and prompted me to think about those episodes I've seen.

I, too, will be putting out a critique shortly, but will respond with

a couple points.

>> A Charged Vacuum Emboitement [ ... ]

> I thought it was Charged Vacuum Envoidment.

Nope. Louis & Joe were correct.

>>Four to Doomsday -

> I don't remember this one at all. I guess I haven't seen it enough

>times.

Quite an indictment... It really was unmemorable!

>>Earthshock -

> Adric dies. Personally, I had no problem with him, but it seems he

>was the center of much controversey (much the same as ST:TNG's Wesley

>Crusher).

When Adric died, the shout of joy in the David Russell Hall Commons

Room was louder than when news of the sinking of the Belgrano arrived

three months later.

> I suspect the reason for the silent ending at episode 4 was because,

>unless I've forgotten something, this was the first time a companion of The

>Doctor had died.

Yes, you've forgotten something: Katarina and Sarah Kingdom both

died in The Dalek Masterplan.

>>Resurrection of the Daleks -

>> This is the first story shown in 45 minute episodes, [ ... ]

> Why did they do this? It makes the "cliffhangers" on odd episodes

>precisely that: Odd.

The Winter Olympics were being shown at the time, so they merged the

four episodes into two.

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In article <11722@terminus.UUCP> nyssa@terminus.UUCP (The Prime Minister) writes:

>Old Doctor Who had laughable special effects, but the shows were still

>worth watching because they had good stories. If you don't have a

>good story, no special effects budget will save you.

Of the "old Doctor Who" that I've seen, really only 50% of them at best had

"good stories". I mean, even by the time Tom Baker came around, they were

faced with having done everything. I would hardly call "Revenge of the

Cybermen", "Terror of the Vogons 8-)", or "The Sontaran Experiment", from

Tom Baker's "critically acclaimed" first season, good stories. At least not

in the plot sense, and if it hadn't been for Sarah Jane, not in the dialogue/

characterization sense either.

I'd rather watch Colin Baker than "Revenge of the Cybermen" any day. In fact,

to be frank, I've become really sick of Tom Baker's portrayal. He may be

a good actor but he practically came out and said in public, "The character

of the Doctor is unrealistic by default", and then gave up on realism. Look,

here's a really dangerous alien pointing a gun up my nose, am I worried?

Naah! "Will there be strawberry jam for tea?"

Sheesh. Flame off. Miserable as JNT may have been as of late, he was still

one of the best things that happened to the 4th Doctor.

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But Lee, you forgot the most Earth shattering scene- a Dalek going up stairs!!

Yup, now we know how they conquered the planet in the 23rd century. A red force

field appears under their base and up they go.

They also did a neat Daleks eye view just before they blasted people, with

strange sysmbols updating beneath crosshairs ala Terminator.

I agree with Lee's comments about the credibility of a lot of the charecters

behaviour, it's always been an irritating aspect of Dr Who. I'm not sure if they

are insulting our intelligence or under-estimating our age. Oh well, stick with

it I suppose.

Nathan Brazil IS God !!!!!!!!

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After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the

Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. I know this is not

an original thought, but I used to be against it. After all, we saw him die

at the end. However, how many times have we seen the Master "die" or left him

in some impossible situation? If nothing else, The Planet of Fire should have

finished him off. I even wrote a Doctor Who script for a class project based

on the fact that the Master died there. But did he die there? Of course not!

He's the Master and he's indestructable. Watching The War Games again with an

open mind, I saw that the personality of the War Chief and the Master were

extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be attributed to regeneration

peculiarities. What do you think?

Gary Duzan

Time Lord

Third Regeneration

p.s. I don't want to know what any book (official or not) thinks. I want to

know what you, as a fan, think of the possibility.

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In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:

>In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as

>happening four times before?

>

>Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this

>is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the

>Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,

>remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were

>taken out of their timelines and then put back.

>

Well, maybe we should come up with some kind of distinction between

traveling in time (i.e., being taken out of one's TIME) and being

taken out of one's timeLINE. After all, the phrase "taken out of

one's timeline" only occurs on WHO in very specific and infrequent

circumstances. For instance, in "The Five Doctors", the 4 earlier

incarnations were removed from their timelines (or, if your prefer,

timestreams--the same thing). But in "The War Games", Jamie and

Zoe were returned to their own TIMES.

In case anyone wants to start a discussion, we'll start with the follow-

ing definition: a person's TIMELINE is the sequence of events, sometimes

chronologically linear, that happen to that person, from birth to death.

I say "chronologically linear" to signify the chronology that the person's

eyes see; if I hop in a time machine and travel forward to 2012, then back

to 1950 (before I was born), my timeline is still (new word coming 8-)

chronolinear. Even the Brigadier had a chronolinear timeline, despite

the sequence of events in "Mawdryn Undead". However, should a person

split into two entities in two parallel universes, or be removed like

the Doctors were in "The Five Doctors", his timeline is no longer

chronolinear. In these cases there is some kind of branching from the

timeline, and the things that happened off the chronolinear section cannot

be recalled, since the mind functions only on chronolinear lines (?)

remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair

because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to

earth.

Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its

apparent results, please feel free to do so. Actually, a point that

I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between

a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?

Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.

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In article <10583@reed.UUCP> odlin@reed.UUCP (Iain Odlin) writes:

>In article <453@husc6.harvard.edu> gallaghe@husc8.UUCP (Paul Gallagher) writes:

>

>God only knows when _Mark of the Rani_ happened in the Master's personal

>time-line. It may have happened long before _Planet of Fire_.

> -Iain Odlin

Nope, sorry, but the Doctor and the Rani both ask him how he survived the

Sarn incident. His response (at least to one of them), "I am indes-

tructible", shows that he already knew of the incident.

As for the original question, "How did he survive," it was postulated in

the Doctor Who Role-Playing Game (for what it's worth) that the Master

has a device that teleports him back to his secret base of operations

whenever his regeneration process is about to occur, so he can somehow

heal himself or whatever there, hence not losing another regeneration

(he is out of them). This doesn't answer, though, why he looked so

gosh-darned scared when the Doctor turned up the heat on him.

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In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:

>>

[here's where I attacked Tom Baker's Doctor for being too unrealisitic

and annoyingly flippant, referring to a specific scene in his first

season where an alien pointed a gun up his nose and he said, "Will

there be strawberry jam for tea?"]

>>

>Wrongemboyo! The character in those scenes was brilliant. Here's a

>being capable of time travel, and arguably from a race that could own

>the universe, and showing the concomitant unflapability that comes with

>that sort of confidence.

I disagree. America is one of the most powerful nations on earth, and

many Americans are quite flippant about it. But if a Russian citizen

were to come up to one of them and point a gun up such a person's nose,

he'd probably be frightened nonetheless. In other words, national/racial

bravado does not necessarily produce personal bravado. Besides, the

Doctor didn't think much of Gallifreyan society, or he wouldn't have

left it.

> He understands the psychology of dangerous

>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the

>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being

>predictable.

I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,

especially because they DID do their work by force. Also, flippancy

does not equal unpredictability. If someone in a bad mood points a gun

up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.

> He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it

>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or

>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).

If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being

flippant. I doubt seriously that people who have their lives threatened,

even more than infrequently, become arrogant about it.

>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much

>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even

>believable in the face of Daleks.

I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad

actor. He wasn't. I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning

how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons

involved in that decision was Tom Baker. After all, he DID suggest to

the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a

companion. I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise

from his first season.

> --Blair

> "And *nobody* else would have

> been able to say, 'drop your

> weapons or I'll kill him with

> this deadly jelly baby...'"

I'll give you that one. Patrick Troughton could have tried it--after all,

he supposedly started the jelly baby thing--but I doubt he could have

reached the savage's neck. 8-)

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In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:

[on the "unbelievability" of Tom Baker's Doctor being flip in the face of

danger]

> > He understands the psychology of dangerous

> >situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the

> >terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being

> >predictable.

>

> I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,

> especially because they DID do their work by force.

Look, if someone really wanted to use force to get you to cooperate, they'd

hurt you first, then ask the questions. If they're using threats to start,

they're using psychology, not force. TB's Doctor recognized this and acted

accordingly.

> Also, flippancy does not equal unpredictability. If someone in a bad mood

> points a gun up your nose, you DON'T MAKE HIM MADDER.

You just contradicted your self. The predictable response would be to not make

him madder, so being flip is being unpredictable.

Also, what would he be afraid of from the gun? That it might (*chuckle*) kill

him? Big deal, so he comes back as Peter Davison and has a messy coat.

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In article <2061@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> gdtltr@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Gary D Duzan)

writes:

> After watching The War Games again, I have come to the conclusion that the

> Master and the War Chief were, in fact, the same person. .... Watching The

> War Games again with an open mind, I saw that the personality of the War

> Chief and the Master were extremely close. Any minor changes could easily be

> attributed to regeneration peculiarities. What do you think?

I think any minor changes should more properly be ascribed to similar

personalities of different people.

Look, when the Master first appeared (under that name, if you will) in "Terror

of the Autons", the Doctor recognized his handiwork because of tissue

compressed bodies lying around. Where in "The War Games" are there tissue

compressed bodies? Where does the Doctor tell the Master something like "in

that 'War Games' fiasco of yours..." or the Master refer to the Doctor's

meddling in same?

There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's

nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving

that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.

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In article <2671@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:

>In article <1086@buengc.BU.EDU> bph@buengc.bu.edu (Blair P. Houghton) writes:

>>In article <2660@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Jay Hinkelman) writes:

>> He understands the psychology of dangerous

>>situations to the point where he is generally able to unnerve the

>>terrorist (who does his work through psychology, not force) by not being

>>predictable.

>

>I have a hard time thinking of a Cyberman or a Sontaran as a terrorist,

>especially because they DID do their work by force.

They never forced the Doctor; they always need him for something or other,

and threaten the companions instead. It's his "Achilles Heel," and

I suspect he uses it as a tool by now. (Reality check: the writers

certainly use it as a tool.)

>> He controlled the situation and survived, and he did it

>>without pouting (JPertwee) or becoming nervous and deferential (CBaker or

>>TFarnham, er, PDavisson).

>

>If he controlled the situation, he did it by thinking, not by being

>flippant.

You try cracking a joke in a situation like that without popping a vessel

in your head.

>>You're right if you point out that the first TB season was lame (too much

>>clowning, too little depth in the portrayal), but nobody else was even

>>believable in the face of Daleks.

>

>I've never accused Tom Baker (who was bloody awful 8-) of being a bad

>actor. He wasn't. I just think that someone made a bad decision concerning

>how the character of the Doctor would be played, and one of the persons

>involved in that decision was Tom Baker. After all, he DID suggest to

>the producers that he be allowed to have a talking head of cabbage as a

>companion. I will admit that many of my gripes with his portrayal arise

>from his first season.

Cabbage? Adric? No, he's a turnip if ever there was one. Leela?

No, she's pure cheesecake, with her own knife. Sarah? No, she's

more mineral than vegetable. Romana II? ...

--Blair

"Where does the Dr. buy his

jellie babies, anyway?"

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I think we may be on to something here.....

In article <2667@k.cc.purdue.edu> akf@k.cc.purdue.edu (Jay Hinkelman) writes:

> In article <4238@bsu-cs.UUCP> vamp@bsu-cs.UUCP (Michael G. Rothermel) writes:

> >In an episode like the Five Doctors, why doesnt' #5 remember everything as

> >happening four times before?

> >

> >Someone is going to say "but he was taken out of his timeline". Well, this

> >is true, but being taken out of one's timeline is done all the time in the

> >Who universe. Any of the companions, with the exception of Jamie & Zoe,

> >remember all of their adventures with the Doctor, even though they were

> >taken out of their timelines and then put back.

...

> remember, the Brigadier forgot what happened in the "Mawdryn" affair

> because he had a nervous breakdown shortly after his (1977) return to

> earth.

>

> Anyone who wants to debate this defintion, or to discuss some of its

> apparent results, please feel free to do so. Actually, a point that

> I glossed over was the following: is their a distinction between

> a person's timeSTREAM and his timeLINE?

>

> Ooooooh, this is gonna be fun.

I've GOT IT!!!!

The traumatization of the Brigadeer when he met himself is an

example of what happens when one has his time streams crossed...

typically. I venture a theory based on this evidence...

1) Crossing time streams is tramatic (look at Brig.)

2) The Doctor Has crossed his own time stream (The Two Doctors).

3) The Result is NOT traumatic.

4) The Doctor has been pulled out of past time streams, with the

result being 3.

Timelords are biologically different. To prevent this trauma, there

must be some kind of defense mechanism. This defense mechanism is what

prevents the trauma. Part of this mechanism involves the inability to

remember the past experience (earlier timestream vs. later (present)

timestream).

As for the difference of being pulled out of one's timestream and

crossing timesreams, I tend to think it different, otherwise in The

Three Doctors and The Five Doctors, the earlier regeneration would be

sure of his survival and return since there is the later regeneration

present.

Then again, it can just be a JNT inconsistancy.....

John Langbein

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By far the most elegant theory for the Master was that he is/was an

insane 12th regeneration of the Doctor. Of course, this was made impossible

a while ago, and even more recently, the STUPID, IDIOTIC, PURILE concept of

the Scrapyard came into being.

The Master is the Doctor theory hinged on the fact that the Master was

not conscious of his identity, but his subconscious was aware. This is

the only workable explanation for the fact that the Master is always trying

to humiliate and kill the Doctor in long and involved ways, but can never

bring himself to do it directly. He must always leave an out, and his

subconscious always remembers what "out" to leave.

The only other workable explanation is the true one -- bad melodrama.

But it explains so much -- and one can even say that they "were at the

academy together." And such a terrible and unique self-hatred psychosis

it would have been.

On the other hand, I think this "The Monk/War Chief is the Master" stuff

is fairly silly. There can be multiple evil Time Lords out there. We know

that any similarity is just coincidence. All we gain is a fairly mundane

explanation for the Master's vendetta.

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In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu>, cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:

> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's

> nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing disproving

> that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.

The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was

the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the

Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the

same person, leads me to disagree with your statement. Add to thi the

fact that the Valeyard was working withing the sanctioned authority of the

Timelords (something the Master does not do by choice, "The Five Doctors"

being the exception) and I think you find a pretty strong case.

The Monk seems to be more along the lines of the Master's style:

working outside the sanctioned limits of Timelord activity; the focus

on the Earth as a target; the total disregard for the laws of time.

However, I don't recall the Monk being obsessed with power as is the

Master. I would say that the Master's ultimate goal is to rule the galaxy

(or universe or whatever). If I recall correctly, the Monk was just out

to mold human history in the way he thought was best, with little

thought to personal gain. Very different from the Master.

I agree that there is no link between the War Chief and the Master,

though the psychology seems to be similar (plus he has a beard ;-)). I

think he was just another Timelord gone astray. Though the thought is

intriguing....

I'm off,

Dave

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In article <514@infmx.UUCP> davek@infmx.UUCP (David Kosenko) writes:

>

> The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was

>the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the

The key here is *who* stated the Valeyard was the Doctor. I believe the

master may have been lying about the link between the Doctor and the

Valeyard, or the writers may have been loopy. Personally, a DW show

where the Doctor is a villian simply wouldn't be as much fun. (It could

be pretty bizzare though. Picture this: The evil Doctor, aka Valeyard,

travels through time helping bad guys. The first episode could be

a story where the Valeyard travels back to the early 70's and helps

his 'ol buddy Pol-Pot. (sp?) Hideous, isn't it.)

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In article <Oct.11.12.38.40.1988.8027@elbereth.rutgers.edu> cje@elbereth.rutgers.edu (Cthulhu's Jersey Epopt) writes:

>

>There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True, there's

>nothing explicitly disproving it, either,

OK, that part I can grok.

>but then there's nothing disproving

>that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.

The monk I can't comment on (insufficient data).

But, the Scrapyard is specifically referred to as a composite

created from the DOCTOR'S bioprint with what amounts to

a frontal lobotomy.

And, since it was the Master who pointed this out, I would tend

to beleive that the Backyard is NOT the Master.

--

Ed King He may act a little erratic. Regeneration

scrambles the brain cells a bit.

elk@cbnews -- Cho-Gi

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Sez me:

=> There's simply no evidence linking the Master and the War Chief. True,

=> there's nothing explicitly disproving it, either, but then there's nothing

=> disproving that the Master was the Monk or the Valeyard, either.

Sez David Kosenko:

> The fact that it was stated, quite clearly, that the Valeyard was

> the Doctor (a regeneration 'gone wrong', as it were), and the fact that the

> Master is present, and gives no indication that he and the Valeyard are the

> same person, leads me to disagree with your statement.

Yes, but who stated it? The Master, who has been known to lie on occasion.

I'm not seriously proposing either Master = Valeyard or Doctor <> Valeyard.

I'm just pointing out the nature of a lack of evidence for someone else's

claim.

--

Yog-Sothoth Neblod Zin,

Chris Jarocha-Ernst

UUCP: {ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, seismo}!rutgers!elbereth.rutgers.edu!cje

ARPA: JAROCHAERNST@CANCER.RUTGERS.EDU

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This according to the latest issue of DWB, an independent Doctor Who

magazine out of Adequate Britain, (Number 58, September 88) which has just

reached the states. Bad bad news, guys.

John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.

I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his

own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."

I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.

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"Don't touch THAT!"

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DR. WHO DRINKING GAME

1) Sip whenever the TARDIS goes wrong.

2) Sip whenever an expendable character is expended.

3) Sip whenever whenever a companion screams "Doctor!" Chug if it turns out

to be no big deal.

4) Sip whenever a companion twists an ankle.

5) Drink the entire length of gratuitous shots of women or of Jamie's legs.

6) Sip whenever a Dalek says "Ex-ter-mi-nate!" Chug if they repeat.

7) Sip when they exterminate.

8) Sip whenever a Dalek or Cyber is destroyed on screen.

9) Sip when the alien monster is immune to bullets.

10) Chug on any exploding ships.

11) Sip whenever Hartnell loses his temper, Troughton pulls out the recorder,

Pertwee creates a new gadget, Tom Baker's scarf gets tangled, or someone

makes a comment about Colin Baker's clothes.

12) Sip whenever Leela offers to kill someone.

13) Chug whenever the idealist survives at the end.

14) Sip whenever the Doctor gets preachy at the end.

15) Chug whenever someone says "Doctor Who?".

16) Sip whenever they slip and write "who" into the script.

17) Sip whenever the Master announces intentions to kill the doctor.

18) Sip on "Jellybabies?"

19) Sip whenever the Brigadier answers the phone "Lethbridge-Stewart!"

20) Chug whenever they reverse the polarity of the neutron flow.

21) Sip whenever the Brigadier gets confused about time travel.

22) Sip whenever anyone notices the size of the TARDIS.

23) Sip whenever the major villain gets overconfident.

24) Sip if you can see the cliffhanger between episodes in a movie format.

25) Chug whenever the film gets reversed to illustrate some special effect.

26) Sip if you spot the strings.

27) Sip on bad special effects.

28) Sip whenever K-9 gets cannibalized.

29) Sip whenever K-9 produces a new death ray.

30) Sip whenever the person who looks like it might be a new companion isn't.

31) Sip whenever they offer an explanation to a historical mystery.

32) Sip whenever you only find eight people in the huge city.

33) Sip whenever Harry does something stupid.

34) Sip whenever anyone gets possessed.

35) Sip whenever a compnanion touches after the Doctor says, "Don't Touch."

36) Chug whenever a complete stranger sacrifices themself for the Doctor.

37) Sip whenever the Doctor or a companion is about to be executed or

sacrificed.

38) Sip whenever the sonic screwdriver is used.

39) Sip whenever a companion outsmarts the Doctor.

40) Sip whenever a crowd does a Heil routine.

41) Sip at every doublecross.

42) Sip whenever K-9 says something obvious.

43) Sip whenever Susan calls the Doctor "Grandfather."

44) Sip whenever you see something non-Terran written in English.

45) Sip whenever a companion screams.

46) Sip whenever Tom Baker gets knocked out.

47) Sip whenever Tom Baker's eyes bulge.

48) Sip whenever the Doctor says "We must be on Earth."

49) Sip whenever the Doctor leaves the TARDIS to find out what year it is

or where they are so he can correct the coordinates.

50) Sip whenever the viewscreen opens or closes.

>From wucfua!wucs1!uunet!tank!oddjob!uwvax!rutgers!bellcore!faline!thumper!ulysses!terminus!nyssa Thu Oct 20 00:02:48 CDT 1988

Better known as, "JNT quits and comes back, take four."

In article <17092@vax5.CCS.CORNELL.EDU> ut6y@vax5.ccs.cornell.edu (Uncle Mikey (Michael Scott Shappe)) writes:

>John Nathan Turner is remaining next season as producer.

>I quote: "John Nathan-Turner, ...has been confirmed by the BBC as his

>own successor and will oversee production of season 26 of DOCTOR WHO."

While I predicted when JNT resigned, that he would "re-sign" I still

have some doubts. I am having one of my UK contacts check on the

validity of the above.

My last report, about a month ago, was that several people didn't pan

out, and that they were looking at some people who have been with the

show in the past.

>I dunno 'bout anayone else, but I'm one pissed puppy.

Understandably. JNT, while not the epitomy of evil that some people

suggest that he is (Adric, who was bloody awful, was the epitomy of

evil...), is certainly stale in the job. Watching Sylvester in

Rememberance of the Daleks got me thinking that that could just as

easily have been Peter Davison saying those lines, and that the

Doctor's character really hasn't grown that much. Sad, really.

--

James C. Armstrong, Jr nyssa@terminus.UUCP

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So far I have heard no consideration of the K'anpo/Cho-Je regeneration. To

refresh everyone's memories, K'anpo had made Cho-Je as a "projection" of

himself, so that when K'anpo actually regenerated, he simply assumed Cho-

Je's body (P/Spi).

Is there a parallel here to the Watcher? In both cases, an entity that is

a precursor to the new regeneration exists. The Watcher exists of its own

accord, of course, and Cho-Je does not, though this is of course because the

Doctor does not have much control over his regenerations.

There may also be a connection here with the regeneration of Romana. If

K'anpo could choose his next body, then why not Romana? She, of course,

tried on several, and it is reasonable to assume that K'anpo could have done

the same. Thus criticism of this scene as a total break with tradition (i.e

Ian Levine in "The Unfolding Text") is not necessarily justified.

Perhaps an ideal regeneration for a Time Lord is a careful preparation of a

new body, designed to maximize stability--perhaps helping to avoid the

deterioration that sometimes comes with later regenerations.

Incidentally, I think this discussion of "deterioration" after regeneration

is meaningless. JN-T is the cause of the Doctor's deterioration, NOT some

kind of cruel fate. Same goes for the Master; and as for Borusa, he was fine

until 5D.

Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd

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Season 20--JN-T best? More like his worst. Season 18 was his best, for one

reason: Tom Baker & Lalla Ward (well, maybe Chris Bidmead, too). And "State

of Decay" is terribly underrated--it doesn't work for everyone, but when it

does, it works terribly well.

Gordon Hogenson @ Harvey Mudd

--well, okay, not his worst. I did see season 23... Terror of the Vervoids

if enough to drag that whole season into the sewer, despite the Valeyard

as a redeeming feature. Melanie is the most revolting creature

ever shown on Dr. Who--I know it's rude to say such a horrible thing, but

she makes me cringe more than "Underworld" and "The War Machines" combined.

I was actually glad by VCR messed up during Terror of the Vervoids. It rec-

orded a STAR TREK: TNG that wasn't half bad.

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In article <7192@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU>, ins_ajpo@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU (Milamber) writes:

> >reversals/climaxes/running gags, denouement/resolution. Chopping it up

> >into episodes ma