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The result of the debate was: proposal to change the main image on breast overwhelmingly defeated. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 23:51, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

I was browsing the wiki, and came upon the page Breast. When I saw the image, I was appalled that we would put an image such as that on a wiki that caters to a wide range of audiences, including teenagers and impressionable young children. This vote is to change the image, from its current, provocative one of a nude sleeping Aayla Secura to a much less prvocative, equally (if not more) informative main image of the Selonian page. It demonstrates a detailed enough female breast, as well as reverse sexually dimorphed male version. Also, as the current image is from Visions, whose canonocity is disputed, the Selonian image is not in dispute as to its canonocity. Vote support if you believe the image should be changed to the Selonian image, oppose if you believe the image of Secura is satisfactory, and neutral if you cannot yet decide.

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I've been convinced of the suitable canonicity of the existing image, but it occurs to me neither of the suggested images in their current state is really suitable for the article. The existing picture isn't of a breast; it's of a nude Twi'lek who happens to have a breast. Similarly, the suggested replacement isn't of a breast, either; it's of a group of Selonians, some of whom have breasts. Whichever image we choose, it should really be cropped to highlight the subject of the article. Cf. Wikipedia's main image in their breast article, which tastefully showcases the subject, limiting itself to only enough of the surroundings to provide context. jSarek 08:38, July 2, 2011 (UTC) Indeed, I have been thinking too that the current image does need cropping to focus more to the article subject. –Tm_T (Talk) 09:02, July 2, 2011 (UTC) Per jSarek.-- Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 04:03, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

I believe my vote states all that I can say. If necessary, I will open a debate here.Gnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 23:33, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Before I join the dogpile, I need to ask . . . what is the source of the statement that the book is dubiously canonical? jSarek 04:54, June 30, 2011 (UTC) Read the talk page for itGnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 11:35, June 30, 2011 (UTC) I did read the talk page for it. What I saw was an anon assert it was non-canon, followed by some people repeating that assertion without evidence and ignoring people making claims to the contrary. So again, I ask, what makes you say its canonicity is in doubt? If there is legitimate doubt as to the canonicity of the image, that's an argument I might agree with for changing it, but since Star Wars: Visions is an official product, there is a presumption of canonicity unless some source (Infinities logo on the product, comment from Leland Chee, an article in Star Wars Insider , SOMETHING) indicates otherwise. jSarek 12:00, June 30, 2011 (UTC) I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the assumption comes from the fact that several pieces of artwork included in the collection cannot be considered canonical due to the subject depicted within the artwork (I haven't got access to the book at the moment, so can't provide specifics). However, many of the images appear to be canonical and are used that way on the wiki (some of the images in the Battle of Kothlis article come to mind). Personally, I think each image should be treated independently. Unless the image is clearly shown to be disregarding canon, then it should be considered canonical. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 12:08, June 30, 2011 (UTC) Cav is right here. FWIW, although I've never looked at this book in it's entirety, it seems extremely similar to the artwork presented in Star Wars: Visionaries , in which some images are of arguably dubious nature, while some are clearly inspired by canonical scenes and are treated as such on the wiki. In other words, each piece is judged individually on its own merits. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:20, June 30, 2011 (UTC)



You all are sickos! I suppose every single one of you would fight to be the beginning of the line for pages like genital, prostitutes, reproduction, etc. etc. etc. etc. You can delete it if you want, followed by my account. If things like this scandalous (and useless, not to mention incorrect) article become commonplace, perhaps I am the one who should be scarce. It's obvious CONSCIENCES are. Perhaps we ought to change policy to avoid such overt sexuality. Even the FANON wiki (which you look down upon and I now hold in higher regard than this dirty magazine) has rules about such dirt. Do we really want to tarnish the two golden words that marked the beginning of the saga we now celebrate with nude Jedi (in very un-jedi-like clothes, I might add. What Jedi can afford shimmersilk?). Get some lightsabers, some bunnies, and have at it. Without me. This is totally sick and revolting. I'd rather see a geonosian using the toilet than this trash. Go ahead and criticize me if you want (on that note, my keyboard has been having truble with certain letters like o, v, and c. And embarrassment is none of my concern, you all seem to enjoy it so well. It seems that those who point out faults of others have worse faults of their own to deal with. Such as an obsession with naked women.). I will have no part of this trash.Gnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 11:35, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

So... you're saying you WANT to be degraded to the point of a British tabloid?Gnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 11:41, June 30, 2011 (UTC) I wouldn't actually consider British tabloids to be overly degrading. --Jinzler 11:49, June 30, 2011 (UTC) Yes, I think you kind of missed the point I was trying to make there ... as in, this image is nothing compared to what is freely available within a modern, open-minded and mature society. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 11:54, June 30, 2011 (UTC)



NOT FIT FOR JUDGEMENT? When it comes to Star Wars, EVERYTHING needs to be approved by him. That would be like... making the palace for a dictator without asking his choice in paint colors! I hate using that example, but it's the closest I could come up with.Gnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 11:43, June 30, 2011 (UTC)