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Hero MemberActivity: 630Merit: 500 Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 04:57:06 PM #4541 Quote from: VinceSamios on June 23, 2014, 04:38:55 PM In all fairness Bar - at this point you're either in, or you're out. If you're out, what are you still doing in the thread? Nothing personal, but it seems you're "trying to help all the investors now that the company is doomed" - that was also crumbs' motive from very early on, although I believe your motive is genuine, why not be done with ActM altogether? Every post you copy-paste the same thing under the guise of being helpful - posting once in a while might be helpful - but dude this is basically trolling. If people haven't seen the MSD contact details by now they're not going to.



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I dont think Bargraphics is trying to "help" anyone in the Robin Hood type of way (he may but that doesnt matter to me), but it helps his (and everyone else involved) situation(s) if more people are involved in the lawsuit/investigation. so while he and many others posting in the thread are "done" to a point, it is in their best interests to get as many involved so this situation is taken more seriously. otherwise Ken has a higher chance of little/no penalty and the community has another example of a "bitcoin hardware company" (used very loosely) that essentially screwed investors/customers over. I dont think Bargraphics is trying to "help" anyone in the Robin Hood type of way (he may but that doesnt matter to me), but it helps his (and everyone else involved) situation(s) if more people are involved in the lawsuit/investigation. so while he and many others posting in the thread are "done" to a point, it is in their best interests to get as many involved so this situation is taken more seriously. otherwise Ken has a higher chance of little/no penalty and the community has another example of a "bitcoin hardware company" (used very loosely) that essentially screwed investors/customers over.

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 05:02:42 PM #4542 Quote from: finlof on June 23, 2014, 04:57:06 PM I dont think Bargraphics is trying to "help" anyone in the Robin Hood type of way (he may but that doesnt matter to me), but it helps his (and everyone else involved) situation(s) if more people are involved in the lawsuit/investigation. so while he and many others posting in the thread are "done" to a point, it is in their best interests to get as many involved so this situation is taken more seriously. otherwise Ken has a higher chance of little/no penalty and the community has another example of a "bitcoin hardware company" (used very loosely) that essentially screwed investors/customers over.



That's a good summary fin, more or less that's correct.



In addition,



I also put a lot of faith in Ken only for him to give us failure after failure. I do want to see him payback everything he can to shareholders, I do not want to see him profit on a failure while everyone else receives a close to complete loss, so if it takes 5-10 minutes out of my day to come in here and correct misinformation and provide a couple links then that's fine by me. That's a good summary fin, more or less that's correct.In addition,I also put a lot of faith in Ken only for him to give us failure after failure. I do want to see him payback everything he can to shareholders, I do not want to see him profit on a failure while everyone else receives a close to complete loss, so if it takes 5-10 minutes out of my day to come in here and correct misinformation and provide a couple links then that's fine by me.

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In all seriousness Vince, you are aware of how much I wanted this company to succeed but at some point you really do have to stop beating a dead horse.

I'm surprised your not interested in all the information Zum claims to have on me. I'm sure that would shut me up for goodIn all seriousness Vince, you are aware of how much I wanted this company to succeed but at some point you really do have to stop beating a dead horse.

My best judgement suggests you're a genuine guy Bar - although I invested in Ken so maybe my judgement leaves a bit to be desired ;-)



I know how much you wanted ActM to succeed - you did, we all did - I'm not quite on the same "it's fucked" level as you, I still think there is a small amount of hope for something (although not something major) - I can't see ActM being worth more than $250k at any point in the future, but I also don't think it's worth nothing (or as good as nothing). My best judgement suggests you're a genuine guy Bar - although I invested in Ken so maybe my judgement leaves a bit to be desired ;-)I know how much you wanted ActM to succeed - you did, we all did - I'm not quite on the same "it's fucked" level as you, I still think there is a small amount of hope for something (although not something major) - I can't see ActM being worth more than $250k at any point in the future, but I also don't think it's worth nothing (or as good as nothing). The Happy Clappy Bitcoin Chappy - http://twitter.com/vincesamios

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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 05:57:14 PM #4544 Quote from: VinceSamios on June 23, 2014, 05:42:41 PM Quote from: Bargraphics on June 23, 2014, 04:56:28 PM



In all seriousness Vince, you are aware of how much I wanted this company to succeed but at some point you really do have to stop beating a dead horse.

I'm surprised your not interested in all the information Zum claims to have on me. I'm sure that would shut me up for goodIn all seriousness Vince, you are aware of how much I wanted this company to succeed but at some point you really do have to stop beating a dead horse.

My best judgement suggests you're a genuine guy Bar - although I invested in Ken so maybe my judgement leaves a bit to be desired ;-)



I know how much you wanted ActM to succeed - you did, we all did - I'm not quite on the same "it's fucked" level as you, I still think there is a small amount of hope for something (although not something major) - I can't see ActM being worth more than $250k at any point in the future, but I also don't think it's worth nothing (or as good as nothing).

My best judgement suggests you're a genuine guy Bar - although I invested in Ken so maybe my judgement leaves a bit to be desired ;-)I know how much you wanted ActM to succeed - you did, we all did - I'm not quite on the same "it's fucked" level as you, I still think there is a small amount of hope for something (although not something major) - I can't see ActM being worth more than $250k at any point in the future, but I also don't think it's worth nothing (or as good as nothing).



I think that's a fair assessment.



If you do believe it won't be worth more than $250k at any point in the future, if that was "profit" then each share would be worth 2.5 cents. (10,000,000 Shares). You are better off trying to get restitution from a financial standpoint I believe.



Unless of course you see this figure after restitution has been paid and shares "removed", this would be too hard to get an accurate figure though as we have no clue how many shares would get traded in. I think that's a fair assessment.If you do believe it won't be worth more than $250k at any point in the future, if that was "profit" then each share would be worth 2.5 cents. (10,000,000 Shares). You are better off trying to get restitution from a financial standpoint I believe.Unless of course you see this figure after restitution has been paid and shares "removed", this would be too hard to get an accurate figure though as we have no clue how many shares would get traded in.

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Last edit: June 23, 2014, 06:43:38 PM by zumzero #4545 Quote from: Bargraphics on June 23, 2014, 05:02:42 PM Quote from: finlof on June 23, 2014, 04:57:06 PM I dont think Bargraphics is trying to "help" anyone in the Robin Hood type of way (he may but that doesnt matter to me), but it helps his (and everyone else involved) situation(s) if more people are involved in the lawsuit/investigation. so while he and many others posting in the thread are "done" to a point, it is in their best interests to get as many involved so this situation is taken more seriously. otherwise Ken has a higher chance of little/no penalty and the community has another example of a "bitcoin hardware company" (used very loosely) that essentially screwed investors/customers over.



That's a good summary fin, more or less that's correct.



In addition,



I also put a lot of faith in Ken only for him to give us failure after failure. I do want to see him payback everything he can to shareholders, I do not want to see him profit on a failure while everyone else receives a close to complete loss, so if it takes 5-10 minutes out of my day to come in here and correct misinformation and provide a couple links then that's fine by me.

That's a good summary fin, more or less that's correct.In addition,I also put a lot of faith in Ken only for him to give us failure after failure. I do want to see him payback everything he can to shareholders, I do not want to see him profit on a failure while everyone else receives a close to complete loss, so if it takesto come in here and correct misinformation and provide a couple links then that's fine by me.

Priceless.



We are all in agreement that Blahgraphics is no Robin Hood so why IS our resident Bitcoin tycoon spending so much of his time in this thread fighting his cause? You think he'd commit so much time for nothing? I am deeply suspicious.



So Blah, either go away now that you admit everyone has seen your links or allow people to express their views and stop acting like a dictator. Talk about censorship. You are preventing those shareholders who still have faith in the company from communicating with each other, exploring other possibilities and sharing their views simply because you insist on blurting your self righteous opinion and denying their voice.



You've done this so that you could convince as many people as possible to contact the MSD and Woodlaw because you are trying to accelerate the demise of ActM. This I find unconscionable especially when there are shareholders who feel there remains hope as strongly as you feel it's over.



I'm all for a good argument but if it's one sided then the thread loses it's purpose which is a 'shareholder discussion thread'. Priceless.We are all in agreement that Blahgraphics is no Robin Hood so why IS our resident Bitcoin tycoon spending so much of his time in this thread fighting his cause? You think he'd commit so much time for nothing? I am deeply suspicious.So Blah, either go away now that you admit everyone has seen your links or allow people to express their views and stop acting like a dictator. Talk about censorship. You are preventing those shareholders who still have faith in the company from communicating with each other, exploring other possibilities and sharing their views simply because you insist on blurting your self righteous opinion and denying their voice.You've done this so that you could convince as many people as possible to contact the MSD and Woodlaw because you are trying to accelerate the demise of ActM. This I find unconscionable especially when there are shareholders who feel there remains hope as strongly as you feel it's over.I'm all for a good argument but if it's one sided then the thread loses it's purpose which is a 'shareholder discussion thread'. https://mybitcoin.garden

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Hero MemberActivity: 729Merit: 500 Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 06:44:15 PM #4546 I don't think BG is denying anyone anything. He's posting stuff up as are you guys. If he wants to point out how it's a scam so that nobody here is trying to sucker anyone into buying the stock who might not know better, I'm all for it. Keep posting BG.



Everyone else is welcome to have a nice discussion like they've been having. It's good if someone keeps that discussion grounded in reality. And advises would be share purchasers that there is a legal situation going on and they'd be best to hold their satoshi until it is settled and Ken comes out of hiding and posts something meaningful. 1D7JwRnoungL1YQy7sJMsqmA8BHkPcKGDJ

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Hero MemberActivity: 602Merit: 500myBitcoin.Garden Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 07:32:30 PM #4552 We've known for a long time that the MSD have been investigating Ken and have all been expecting that the details would be made public at some stage. I don't see this as the death blow for the company. I believe that Ken will pay the fines and still be in a good position financially to continue with the business. Whether or not he actually makes a success of the company from there is hard to gauge given that we have nothing to go on. All I do know is that the last time Ken communicated with me he remained optimistic in spite of the MSD going public. Around then it seemed that considerable deals were on the table. Perhaps they no longer exists, but whose to know what other opportunities may have arisen or may be on the cards? Again, we simply do not know.



What gets me is that for so many shareholders who knew about the MSD investigation, why did it take for it to go public for them to suddenly think it was game over when they had known for a long time that that day was inevitable? Were they in denial? Were they expecting the MSD issue to simply go away?



It's all down to how much of a threat people perceive the MSD and Woodlaw involvement to be. For most it's catastrophic. Fine. But for others they still see light at the end of the tunnel.



Still want to make money from your investment? There are two courses of action. Either hold out for divs at the risk of losing the lot, or take the MSD route and hope for as high a dollar price on your shares as possible. Both choices come with risks, there are shareholders on both sides of the fence and it's only fair that they be allowed to discuss it free from ridicule.



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Hero MemberActivity: 518Merit: 500Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do. Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 07:42:46 PM #4556 Quote from: zumzero on June 23, 2014, 07:32:30 PM Still want to make money from your investment? There are two courses of action. Either hold out for divs at the risk of losing the lot, or take the MSD route and hope for as high a dollar price on your shares as possible. Both choices come with risks, there are shareholders on both sides of the fence and it's only fair that they be allowed to discuss it free from ridicule.



Actually, only one side comes with risks.



If you take the MSD route and you don't get a "high value" for your shares you can simply opt to not take the restitution and stick with Ken.

If you take the MSD route and no restitution has to be paid you keep your shares and stick with Ken.

If you take the MSD route and Ken comes on here and offers you a magical unicorn hasher and you want to stick with the company, then you can!

Just because you contact the MSD doesn't stop Kens obligation to you for the shares you purchased unless you opt for the restitution.



That's the beauty of this whole thing, by going with the MSD you still leave every other option open.



Not sure why Zumzero is hiding this fact.



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Shawn Hagerty

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Jefferson City, MO 65102

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1736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804 Actually, only one side comes with risks.If you take the MSD route and you don't get a "high value" for your shares you can simply opt to not take the restitution and stick with Ken.If you take the MSD route and no restitution has to be paid you keep your shares and stick with Ken.If you take the MSD route and Ken comes on here and offers you a magical unicorn hasher and you want to stick with the company, then you can!Just because you contact the MSD doesn't stop Kens obligation to you for the shares you purchased unless you opt for the restitution.That's the beauty of this whole thing, by going with the MSD you still leave every other option open.Not sure why Zumzero is hiding this fact.Edit: Oh look a new page!_______________________________________________________________________Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division600 W. Main St., Box 1276Jefferson City, MO 65102573-526-3901573-526-3124 (fax)Missouri Secretary of State, Securities Division600 W. Main St., Box 1276Jefferson City, MO 65102573-751-4704888-237-09991100 Main Street, Suite 1800, Kansas City, Missouri 641051736 E. Sunshine Street, Suite 209, Springfield, Missouri 65804

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Hero MemberActivity: 602Merit: 500myBitcoin.Garden Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] June 23, 2014, 07:48:13 PM #4557 Not all risk is financial. Not everyone in the community is comfortable sharing their personal details with a governmental body unless it's essential. Look where it got Charlie Shrem. https://mybitcoin.garden

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