Ahmes - Today at 6:58 AM

I don't play Overwatch for both moral and interest reasons.

I have no interest and I disagree with how Tracer was made lesbian without a reason.

bmnjnjk - Today at 6:59 AM

k?

Ahmes - Today at 7:00 AM

I think Blizzard's pandering to the minority for the sake of pandering to the minority. If there was a story reason for Tracer to be a lesbian, I wouldn't have a problem.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:01 AM

You don't need a 'reason' to be gay either, so why should blizzard bother

Ahmes - Today at 7:01 AM

There's a reason for everything, and homosexuality is immoral.

That's why.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:01 AM

Wtf, no

It's just as normal as every other sexuality

Ahmes - Today at 7:02 AM

Um, no. Biology disagrees with you hard on that, as does practically every worldview other than atheism.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:02 AM

One cannot choose their sexuality, that's not how this works

Ahmes - Today at 7:02 AM

Actually yes it is. I am close friends with a former homosexual who thought as you do, changed his mind, and is now married to a woman with children by her.

I was also tempted by homosexuality and chose against it.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:03 AM

Not everyone is like this

Ahmes - Today at 7:03 AM

The temptation doesn't make you gay, the choice to give in does, the same way the choice to murder makes one a murderer rather than the desire to see someone die.

Not everyone is human, then? Because you are denying the very fact of choice.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:03 AM

If he was 'gay' and now is 'straight' he's actually just bi

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:04 AM

i mean like how i feel about it is. I don't hate gay people like I know people that are and there good people i just don't support there life style idk like its weird ikrn

Ahmes - Today at 7:04 AM

high-fives bmnjnjk Exactly.

That's exactly how it is.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:05 AM

Sorry man, but you can't discriminate gay people by saying they could 'choose' their sexuality. They can't. Do your research on it

Ahmes - Today at 7:05 AM

I did. That's how I came to this conclusion. I would argue that you haven't done your research.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:05 AM

Just because people are different than you doesn't mean they are deliberately

Excuse me?

Ahmes - Today at 7:06 AM

Oh, I'm sorry, was that offensive? The truth often is.

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:06 AM

Don't hate though

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:06 AM

The truth isn't offensive, misinformation is lol

I mean I'm not gonna argue now

Ahmes - Today at 7:06 AM

I'm not trying to. It's just insulting to be told that I'm wrong when I've studied this sort of thing for years from as many sides as I could.

This is the truth. Sexuality is a choice, whether you agree or not, just as 2+2=4 is just as much a fact regardless of whether you believe it to be or not.

danielxgc - Today at 7:08 AM

@Ahmes bruh, I'm the likely the least Liberal person in this server

@Ahmes and even I can tell you're spewing some fucking bullshit

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:08 AM

Another example: one can not choose to be asexual since specific parts of their brain are activated constantly

Asexuals cannot CHOOSE to be straight or anything

Neither can gays

Ahmes - Today at 7:09 AM

sighs sadly

danielxgc - Today at 7:09 AM

@Ahmes We're not questioning biology

Ahmes - Today at 7:09 AM

Actually yeah, you pretty much are.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:09 AM

Thanks Daniel btw

Ahmes - Today at 7:09 AM

Biology only allows for reproduction via sex between a man and woman.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:10 AM

Dude I'm studying biochemistry and no offense, but you are tripping hard

danielxgc - Today at 7:10 AM

@Ahmes We accept the notion that the physical human species was designed for procreation

Ahmes - Today at 7:10 AM

Considering science is ruled by philosophy, you're the one who is tripping.

danielxgc - Today at 7:10 AM

@Ahmes but as Humans evolved, so did the mind

Ahmes - Today at 7:10 AM

Evolution's false, by the way.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:10 AM

Wtf

Do you think we were all created by a god or something? :joy:

Ahmes - Today at 7:11 AM

Yes.

danielxgc - Today at 7:11 AM

@Ahmes yo you give a bad name to the right(edited)

Ahmes - Today at 7:11 AM

I am a Christian, and if nothing else, I am proud of that.

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:11 AM

idk like i agree with you some what like i guess im not gay so idk. But i feel like people choose wether to be gay or not. I don't think like people are born gay

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:11 AM

They are tho lol

The same way people are born asexual

Ahmes - Today at 7:12 AM

People are born sinful.

Often that means people become sexual deviants.

E.g. homosexuals.

That doesn't mean I hate them, because I don't. That's just fact.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:12 AM

No sexuality is deviant

Ahmes - Today at 7:12 AM

Says you. I'll take God's Word over yours any day.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:12 AM

Live and let live dude

danielxgc - Today at 7:12 AM

@Ahmes and clearly some people are born with less capacity to enlighten themselves

Ahmes - Today at 7:13 AM

I tried. You're the one who started the argument.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:13 AM

There's no god

Ahmes - Today at 7:13 AM

Prove it.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:13 AM

Prove there is one

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:13 AM

um welp ok i don't exactly agree with you there but

Ahmes - Today at 7:13 AM

Because without God, logic, morality and the laws of nature (gravity for example) wouldn't exist.

There would be no reason for them.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:14 AM

I don't need proof as long as there is no proof that there IS one, it's likely I'm right

Why wouldn't gravity exist without god?

Ahmes - Today at 7:14 AM

Because the alternative is absolute chaos. If, as evolution claims, our origins lie in random chance and natural processes alone, then we would observe random chance and natural processes alone. We do not.

There is an order to how things work, and science is how we explore that.

But the very fact there is an order to how things works demands that we believe there is a Designer Who put that design in place.

You cannot get order from chaos.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:16 AM

Chaos theory mate

Look it up

Ahmes - Today at 7:16 AM

"Theory," mate. Not proof.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:16 AM

It's amazing science

Ahmes - Today at 7:16 AM

It's amazing speculation with no proof.

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:16 AM

Personally i don't agree with how homosexuals live but like I don't hate them and I don't think there bad people like some of them are great people. But like i don't think that makes me a bad person

Ahmes - Today at 7:16 AM

I take a much lesser leap of faith choosing to believe there's a God than I do choosing to believe evolution is correct.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:17 AM

So a random ass book from 2000 years ago is more proof than a scientific theory is?

Ahmes - Today at 7:17 AM

Random? Ha!

GeoLuc - Today at 7:17 AM

Uh, why is this conversation happening

danielxgc - Today at 7:17 AM

@nakkileipaa please restore order

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:17 AM

I can also write a book with a ton of fairytales and get it popular

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:17 AM

idek

Ahmes - Today at 7:17 AM

But I can just as easily destroy your book with sheer logic.

The Bible cannot be so easily dismissed.

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:18 AM

I'm literally about to cry this convo is awful

Ahmes - Today at 7:18 AM

But hey, you can believe what you want. Just don't insult me or my friends with your stupid accusations.

LuDa - Today at 7:18 AM

Bottom line, everyone has their own beliefs and we can't argue against them, might now always agree, with each other but that's just the way shit it

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:18 AM

^

Ahmes - Today at 7:18 AM

I chose to open up about why I don't play Overwatch. You attacked me for it.

And I won't tolerate that.

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:18 AM

WTF

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:18 AM

you attacked gay people

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:19 AM

Yeah idk its just like a super touchy topic

Ahmes - Today at 7:19 AM

You tell me then. Is murder okay? How about rape? Theft?

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:19 AM

WTF

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:19 AM

Huh

GeoLuc - Today at 7:19 AM

Geez what is going on

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:19 AM

why are you comparing gays and murderers?

like wth

Ahmes - Today at 7:19 AM

Because the very instant you admit there needs to be justice, you admit there is morality, which requires a standard higher than humans can create themselves.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:19 AM

I don't see a connection there either nakk

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:19 AM

that's not okay dude

Ahmes - Today at 7:19 AM

What's not okay is I am being attacked for my beliefs on a Pokémon server.

GeoLuc - Today at 7:19 AM

Uh so I haven't been talking in here lately but is it usually like this? I don't remember it being quite like this

Ahmes - Today at 7:19 AM

No, Geo, it's not normally like this.

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:20 AM

Do you know Kant?

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:20 AM

you're not being attacked any more that you're yourself

GeoLuc - Today at 7:20 AM

Ah ok good

Ahmes - Today at 7:20 AM

It's called self-defense.

ThisIsNoise, do you know Descartes?

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:20 AM

Yeah but his theories are from 16xx

Ahmes - Today at 7:20 AM

And they were correct.

How about Galileo?

He was correct as well, but he was thrown in prison for it. Then we found out he was right all along.

danielxgc - Today at 7:21 AM

@Ahmes self defence?

@Ahmes you started it

LuDa - Today at 7:21 AM

No ones being attacked, just like you, we can all express our own beliefs

Ahmes - Today at 7:21 AM

Just because you say something is true or false doesn't mean that's true. The standard is not yours to define.

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:21 AM

idk like everyone can have there own opinions and thats ok because everyone has there own free choice and will. And if someone doesn't agree with you that doesn't mean you attack them though or that doesn't make you a bad person

Ahmes - Today at 7:21 AM

Nor is it mine. Simply put, the very fact logic, morality and the laws of nature exist demand there is a God that put them in place.

You can believe otherwise if you prefer. I don't care.

GeoLuc - Today at 7:22 AM

Wha-

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:22 AM

I mean im Christian as well but like I aint hating on gay people come on man

LuDa - Today at 7:22 AM

If you don't care then this conversation wouldn't have ever happened

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:23 AM

Gonna shower now, don't kill each other in the meantime

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:23 AM

idc if you think there's a God or not but don't fucking attack lgbt+ people

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:24 AM

agreed

GeoLuc - Today at 7:24 AM

Yeah that's the bottom line

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:24 AM

Btw: if you were truly Christian you would care about ALL people and not discriminate the ones that are different from you

+1000 nakk

GeoLuc - Today at 7:24 AM

Basically opinions aside just don't be a douche

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:24 AM

Bottom Line is people have there own opinions and own free will to make there own choices so don't hate on people for theres

danielxgc - Today at 7:25 AM

@nakkileipaa agreed

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:25 AM

like literally you can have any kind of talk about God and stuff I don't care but if you keep comparing gays and murderers and rapists I'm gonna ban you

like no joke

Ahmes - Today at 7:25 AM

Why does everyone think I'm hating on gay people? I'm not.

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:25 AM

I'm so done

ThisIsNoise - Today at 7:25 AM

:sob:

GeoLuc - Today at 7:26 AM

You did though, you called them immoral

Ahmes - Today at 7:26 AM

I am trying to demonstrate that human beings cannot create a static moral standard. God can.

I called their actions immoral, the same way you would all the other ones I mentioned. There is a difference.

But honestly, I'm about ready to leave the server because of all this. I'm taking screen shots for @Ogloza right now.

Tyler - Today at 7:26 AM

Actually you said homosexuallity is immoral.

GeoLuc - Today at 7:26 AM

"There's a reason for everything, and homosexuality is immoral"

Ahmes - Today at 7:27 AM

Yes. Not homosexuals.

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:27 AM

thanks for making me cry the first thing in the morning

I'm gonna get breakfast now

GeoLuc - Today at 7:27 AM

But that's... ugh I give up

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:27 AM

:ogpika:

danielxgc - Today at 7:28 AM

dont forget people, homosexuals are sexual deviants too

GeoLuc - Today at 7:29 AM

They have "sexual" in their name, how could they not be

sarcasm

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:30 AM

ok like I don't think people are wrong to not agree with how Homosexuals live but don't go around hating on there

them*

Ahmes - Today at 7:30 AM

To be fair, adultery is equally as deviant. Anyway, I'm caught up now. Do explain to OG why I left, won't you?

nakkileipaa - Today at 7:30 AM

tbh I'm actually super happy how many people here are actually reasonable and supporting everyone no matter what their sexual preference is :heart:️

danielxgc - Today at 7:30 AM

@Ahmes#3105 byeeeeeeeeeeee :sparkles::sparkling_heart:

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:30 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tyler - Today at 7:30 AM

k bye

LuDa - Today at 7:31 AM

Well to be honest, Pokémon follows evolution, and has a god as a Pokémon that can be tamed :joy::joy:

GeoLuc - Today at 7:31 AM

Please be off and back to the 12th century

bmnjnjk - Today at 7:32 AM

idk like its super weird for me cause im not gonna go around and be like yay gay people but like I don't hate them and don't go around saying there terrible people and should go to hell. And even like I have some friend that are

LuDa - Today at 7:33 AM

@nakkileipaa to get along with others, I learned you need a open mind about other's life styles!:sob::relieved: