The owner of the NFL’s Jacksonville Jaguars was remarkably blunt talking about his fellow owners in a talk at an executive conference in Chicago, saying they have no idea how racist they are.

According to Crain’s Chicago Business, Jaguars owner Shahid Khan had a few things to say about the NFL in general and President Donald Trump specifically in the wake of the firestorm the president created after calling ex-NFL quarterback Colin Kaepernick a “son of a bitch” for protesting police brutality at NFL games.

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Speaking at the forum, Khan, the NFL’s only non-white owner who also happens to be a Muslim, explained the difficulties he had in purchasing an NFL franchise, including an ill-fated attempt to buy the LA Rams when they were still in St. Louis.

“You’ve got a bunch of 85-year-old guys who don’t think they’re racist, but they are racist,” Khan stated, with his spokesperson later clarifying his comments saying Khan was relaying what “others were telling him back then, not what he personally thought.”

Khan then focused on Trump, calling the president the “great divider,” despite having given him $1 million for his inauguration.

“You have to give Trump credit, people are confused on the First Amendment versus patriotism, that if you exercise your First Amendment you’re not a patriot, which is crazy… People are confused on it, (Trump) knew he could hit on it and take advantage. I think what we’re seeing is the great divider overcoming the great uniter,” Khan remarked.

“A lot of the stuff like football (that) Trump does is highly calculated—he looks for issues that you can touch and it will blow people up,” Khan added as he pointed the finger at former Trump White House strategist Steve Bannon.

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“Steve Bannon or whoever is analyzing the data realizes, ‘How do I get elected?’ I get elected by dividing this person or this group against this group'” Khan explained. “What are the worst fears, phobias somebody has, how do I tap that button and get them with my people. There’s a lot of predictive behavior here.”

You can read the whole interview here.