Note: Due to the process of making these videos, the first frame is repeated a couple times. For most, this does not matter, but for ones that I wanted to be viewed repeated, I have repeated the frames myself a number of times. There will still be a tiny hiccup when it starts from the beginning, but that's good enough.

Gfy controls at the bottom right of each gfy!

A lot of these techniques are compatible with Mario and a few Luigi . Check the bottom of each section for / with notes on their differences. with notes on their differences.

Index

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Up-b Cancel

- NOT COMPATIBLE: but he has his own up-b trick, up-b walljump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtLC_cYFKTs

Ledge Getup Attack Cape Glitch

Frames of ledge getup attack that are affected:

Fox/Falco

Sheik

ICs

Peach

DK

Yoshi

The current frame’s hitbox will always include that of the previous frame, if available, and all the space in between. In this example, the character is teleported to the other side of the stage, so you move a very large distance in just one frame. All of the space you move is covered by the drag area. Click to expand...

Stages

- COMPATIBLE: Mario's cape has a smaller hitbox and there is no hitbox on frame 15, other than that it works just the same

Up-air Aerial Interrupt Attack (AIA)

Edge cancelled

From the ledge

Optimal version

So I discovered the yoshis extra hitbox version isn't technically an AIA, but rather a Platform Warp Aerial (look at the frames, the cancel happens on the 10th double jump frame). But considering it is so similar to any other setup which is an AIA, I'm just gunna leave it here.

Easier version



WTF is going on?

- COMPATIBLE: It works the same way, but his needs to be done 2 frames quicker.

- Can AI with Up-air but only without a hitbox

Platform Warp

Easy Perfect Waveland

Shielddrop - repeated first frame possible

Shielddrop > Glide > Dsmash

Platform Warp Aerial

Upair

Nair

|UP-AIR with Hitlag______________________________________________________________

|JUMP ON PASS FRAME|________________ UPAIR ON DOUBLE JUMP FRAME ___________________

|__________________|____HITBOX ✓ / X____ |____PW/AI___|____AUTOCANCEL ✓ / X __________

|....... 16 .......|........................ 6

✓

AI X ..........................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 17 .......|................... 6 ✓ PW X | 7 X AI X ....................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 18 .......|... 6 ✓ PW X ( g if above) | 7 X AI X | 8 X AI X | 9 ✓ AI X ..

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 19 .......|............. 9 X AI X | 10 X AI X | 11 ✓ AI X ..............

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 20 .......|............. 11 X AI X | 12 X AI X | 13 ✓ AI X .............

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 21 .......|....... 12 X AI X | 13 X AI X | 14 X AI X | 15 ✓ AI X .......

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 22 .......|. 14 X AI X | 15 X AI X | 16 X AI X | 17 X AI ✓ | 18 X AI X |..................|...... 19 ✓ AI X | 20 ✓ AI X | 21 ✓ AI X | 22 ✓ AI X .......

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 23 .......|. 16 X AI X | 17 X AI X | 18 X AI X | 19 X AI X | 20 X AI ✓ .

|..................|......................... 21 X AI X .........................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 24 .......|. 20 X AI X | 21 X AI X | 22 X AI X | 23 X AI X | 24 X AI X .

|..................|......................... 25 X AI X .........................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|NAIR with Hitlag________________________________________________________________

|JUMP ON PASS FRAME|________________ NAIR ON DOUBLE JUMP FRAME ____________________

|__________________|____HITBOX ✓ / X____ |____PW/AI___|____AUTOCANCEL ✓ / X __________

|....... 17 .......|....................... 7

✓

PW X ...........................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

|....... 18 .......|............ 7 ✓ PW X ( g if above) | 8 X PW X ................

|__________________|_____________________________________________________________

WTF is going on?



- COMPATIBLE: Works exactly the same

- COMPATIBLE: Much easier. go here for details: http://smashboards.com/threads/new-tech.308463/

Perfect Tornado Press (PTP)

6 presses that would reach yoshis top platform

18 presses for the maximum height



- COMPATIBLE: Works exactly the same.

- Wrote a guide for his PTP (it works a bit differently) - http://smashboards.com/threads/rising-cyclone-ptp-frame-data-guide.384946/

Lemon Grab (Dash Attack Ledgegrab)

That’s an example of making use of Ottotto-retained momentum by doing a smash turn followed by a dash attempt (the dash gets ledge canceled and prevented, though). Click to expand...

- COMPATIBLE: Works exactly the same

Ledgedash

Setup 1:

Setup 2:

Setup 3:

Setup 4:

Setup 5:

Community Suggestions

Fullhop Pill Waveland/Aerial

- COMPATIBLE: Works exactly the same

Chaingrab Info

Magus420 said: NOTE: All of the percents listed here are the damage AFTER the throw. Since knockback is calculated by the damage after the hit it's more exact this way. To see the percents BEFORE the throw, subtract however much the throw will be doing (generally 4-6 for D-Throw and 6-8 for U-Throw).

'Overall Range' is the range(s) that you are able to regrab them regardless of DI so long as you time the grab correctly vertically, and position it correctly horizontally. The jump out damage used is when you can regrab as long as you are in the general area of horizontal positioning, and may be lower than the 'Best' jump out % which is when the very top of the circular grab boxes are what connects and can reach slightly higher.



'Stand-Grab' and 'JC-Grab' are the ranges you can regrab them off full away and full behind DI while standing still and ranges you can JC regrab them, respectively.



'Jump-Out % Best' is the highest possible damage you can get a regrab off no DI that is impossible to jump out of. Some of the ones with very small hurtboxes you're grabbing such as their leg requires very specific positioning for it to connect at this percent, so it's not always something that'd be possible to do reliably.



'Jump-Out % Wrong' is around the percent you'll be able to get a regrab off of no DI/near no DI that can't be jumped out of if you try to grab in the wrong direction and they come down slightly behind you. Its difference is more apparent when trying to grab small hurtboxes. For example if you normally grab them fine off no DI by grabbing while facing forward and they DI slightly behind you and you don't notice it a grab while facing forward might not be able to catch them until they fall a bit further down and may give them the time to jump out. Walking forwards slightly then turning and grabbing or dash pivot grabbing will help cover the weaker area of coverage in the middle shared by the 2 directions.



'Lag' is how many frames of lag you have after they're released. It's greater for the heavier characters because both the D/U-Throws are affected by their weight and increased weight slows down the throw animation.



D-Throw (6 Damage included)



Stun . Damage

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31 ... 0-1 (you can't have 0-1% after the throw but that's what it would be)

32 ... 2-12

33 .. 13-23

34 .. 24-34

35 .. 35-45

36 .. 46-57

37 .. 58-68

38 .. 69-79

39 .. 80-90

40 .. 91-101

41 . 102-112

42 . 113-123

43 . 125-135

etc...



|---------|--------|-------------|----------------|-----------|----|

|Character| Overall| . Stand-Grab | ... JC-Grab ... | Jump-Out %| Lag|

| ........ | Ranges . | Front Behind| Front . Behind | Best Wrong| ... |

|---------|--------|-------------|----------------|-----------|----|

|Bowser .. | 13-21 . | . 2-21 13-21 | 24-64 . 35-60 . | . 42 . 36 . | 25 |

| ......... | 35-42 . | ............ | ............... | .......... | ... |

|CF ...... | 53-153 | . N/A . N/A . | 46-196 . 53-196 | 154 . 145 . | 23 |

|DK ...... | 13-15 . | . N/A . 13-15 | 13-51 . 24-30 . | . 18 . 13 . | 25 |

| ......... | ....... | ............ | ....... 35-39 . | .......... | ... |

| ......... | ....... | ............ | ....... 46-47 .. | .......... | ... |

|Falco ... | 33-200+| . 6-33 . N/A . | 21-200+ 33-200+| 200+ 200+ | 17 |

|Fox ..... | 55-200+| 26-39 . N/A . | 45-200+ 55-200+| 200+ 200+ | 17 |

|Ganon ... | 13-16 . | . N/A . N/A . | . 6-53 . 13-16 . | . 36 ... 7 . | 24 |

| ......... | 24-31 . | ............ | ....... 24-31 . | .......... | ... |

| ......... | 35-36 . | ............ | ....... 35-38 . | .......... | ... |

|Link .... | 13-40 . | . N/A . N/A . | . 6-64 . 13-63 . | . 40 . 25 . | 23 |

|Pichu ... | . 0-27 . | . 0-41 . N/A . | . 0-43 .. 0-43 . | . 27 .. 3 . | 13 |

|Pikachu . | . 0-27 . | . 0-25 . N/A . | . 0-42 .. 0-42 . | . 27 . 17 . | 17 |

|Roy ..... | . 0-50 . | . N/A . N/A . | . 0-76 .. 0-76 . | . 52 . 38 . | 19 |

|Sheik ... | . 0-65 . | . 0-26 . N/A . | . 0-83 .. 0-83 . | . 67 . 50 . | 20 |

|Y Link .. | . 0-39 . | . 0-20 . N/A . | . 0-60 .. 0-60 . | . 39 . 33 . | 19 |

|Yoshi ... | 13-24 . | . N/A . 2-24 | 13-27 . 24-35 . | . 24 . 24 . | 24 |

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U-Throw (8 Damage included)



|---------|--------|-------------|----------------|-----------|----|

|Character| Overall| . Stand-Grab | ... JC-Grab ... | Jump-Out %| Lag|

| ........ | Ranges . | Front Behind| Front . Behind | Best Wrong| ... |

|---------|--------|-------------|----------------|-----------|----|

|CF ...... | 13-51 . | . N/A . N/A . | 10-66 . 13-66 . | . 51 . 49 . | 23 |

|Falco ... | . 0-73 . | . 0-8 . N/A . | . 0-89 .. 0-89 . | . 74 . 66 . | 17 |

|Fox ..... | . 0-65 . | . N/A . N/A . | . 0-78 .. 0-79 . | . 65 . 60 . | 17 |

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Important stuff about them :



Ganon : Grab BEHIND you for no DI or else they can start jumping out after 7. You grab his leg which is a small target so your horizontal aim with the grab is important. Very slight DI can mess it up if you grab in the wrong direction for it, so walk->turn or dash->pivot grab to be safe.

Link : Grab BEHIND you for no DI or else they can start jumping out after 25.

Pichu : Grab BEHIND you for no DI or else they can start jumping out after 3.

Pikachu : Grab BEHIND you for no DI or else they can start jumping out after 17.

Roy : Grab BEHIND you for no DI or else they can start jumping out after 38, and if you don't walk->turn or dash->pivot grab for no DI they can start jumping out after 46.

Sheik : You grab her leg which is a small target so your horizontal aim with the grab is important. Very slight DI can mess it up if you grab in the wrong direction for it, so walk->turn or dash->pivot grab to be safe.

Y Link : Though it looks like he's mostly behind you, grabbing behind for no DI will miss after 32 so either grab in front or walk->turn or dash->pivot grab to be safe which gets his head. Grab behind you, walk->turn or dash->pivot grab to grab his leg after 34.

Yoshi : Grab a bit early to get his head and not the body which doesn't dip down nearly as low during the tumble.



Falco (U-Throw) : Walk->turn or dash->pivot grab for no DI after 60 or so.

Fox (U-Throw) : Walk->turn or dash->pivot grab for no DI after 50 or so.

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schmooblidon said: So you grab a Falco at 27% and downthrow does 6% (it does stale though), if he DI's forward you have a 4 frame window (same as no DI) to start a standing grab, you don't need to move, as falco can't get far enough away. If he DI's slight behind, its a 3 frame window because turn will use 1 frame. If he DI's full behind, well then its a frame perfect [frame 1:turn>2:dash>3:jump>4:grab] and you will grab him the frame before he hits the ground. If you go for any of these and miss and he tech rolls away, he is in the clear.



You grab a fox at 49%, dthrow does 6%. No DI and slight forward DI, and you have a 5 frames window to start a standing grab. Slight behind DI, its 4 frames because of turn. Full forward DI, you have a 2 frame window to dash>jump>grab (you'd think it would be 3, but he actually hits the ground a frame faster when he DI's full forward/behind then none/slight). Full behind DI, frame perfect turn>dash>jump>grab.



Like magus says, these are the lowest percents where all options can be covered. So it makes sense that they are frame perfect. DI behind is the kicker, and according to the chart if falco for whatever reason never DI's behind, you can start it at 6%, which would mean grabbing at 0%, imagine that.



I guess we are just gunna have to live with upthrow at low percent. If they can reach a platform then I would opt for a hard read platform techchase or dthrow>techchase. Maybe start dthrowing at a higher percent where you are comfortable with the leniency. Click to expand...

Random Tidbits

If there are any other techniques you feel would benefit from frame data, feel free to comment

- Up-b Cancel- Cape Glitch- Up-air Aerial Interrupt Attack- Platform Warp- Perfect Tornado Press- Lemon Grab- Ledgedash- Community Suggestions-- Full Hop Pill Waveland/Aerial#1[collapse=Up b Cancel]I made a thread dedicated to Up-b Cancel, check it out here: http://smashboards.com/threads/up-b...a-complete-with-gifs-and-now-oos-data.378468/ Up-B Walljump frame data:Straight up (No DI)Walljump occurs on frame 25 earliest (earlier timings will buffer this)Window frame 23-29Diagonal DI (inbetween straight up and straight horizontal)Walljump occurs on frame 24 earliest (earlier timings will buffer this)Window 22-29DI Full HorizontalWalljump occurs on frame 23 earliest (earlier timings will buffer this)Window 21-29DI Full HorizontalECB must begin touching wall on frame 23 (second to last hitbox frame)Can then walljump on frames 24-29More info and gfy's coming soon.[/collapse]#2[collapse=Cape Glitch]Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/PettyRemoteAtlanticridleyturtle When caping certain characters quick ledge getup attack (when their <100%), doc can use his side-b to cape them. On the first frame they are tangible (and certain other frames), being caped will teleport them to the opposite side of the stage, provided there is a flat surface like Battlefield. Doc's Super Sheet comes out on frame 12 and will hit in front on frames 12-14 and behind on frames 14-15. Any of these hitbox frames will work to perform the glitch.2222-23-2425-26 (their hitbox is out and you get hit due to hitbox drag)24-25-2627-28-29 (their hitbox is out and you get hit due to hitbox drag)7-86-716-17-18jiggs/marth/c.falcon/pikachu/doc/samus/ganon/luigi/mario/y.link/link/zelda/roy/mewtwo/mr.g&w/ness/bowser/pichu/kirbydoes not workConsidering you have 30 frames of invincibility when you grab the ledge, it's possible for even ICs to be intangible throughout all their affected frames. Keep this in mind when cheesing with this, especially against Peach and DK.Although this is far from the best option for dealing with a ledge getup attack, it could leave your opponent confused and staggered, which could give a slight advantage. It is most effective as a crowd pleaser and a great way to style.Caping IC's and Sheik's ledge getup attack on their hitbox frames has some unique effects. According to Kadano this is because of hitbox drag.Here is a gif of caping IC's getup attack on frame 27Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/VillainousFamiliarElephantbeetle And an image of caping Sheik's on frame 26Final Destination, Battlefield, Fountain of Dreams, Dreamland (even with wind) - All work as expectedYoshis - Works for Sheik (all frames), Fox, Falco, ICs (only on frame 29), Peach (only on frame 8), DK (only on frame 7), Yoshi (only on frame 18)below may not be accurate for every possible frame, needs more testing___________________________________________________________Pokemon Stadium - Only teleports to the dip on all transformations :/Onett - The right ledge of the house on the left doesn't really work, they just kinda bob up and down a tiny bit. The left ledge sort of works, they teleport to the other side of the roof.Hyrule Temple - Top left teleports them a tiny bit to the right, top middle just bob up and down, top right they teleport left as far as the piece of ruin on the ground, bottom left they go a tiny bit to the right, bottom right just bob up and down, bottom right island they teleport to either side.Great Bay - Both left and right platforms with ledges teleport to either side.Seems like it needs a completely flat surface to work properly.____________________________________________________________[/collapse]#3[collapse=Upair AIA]Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/BrilliantColossalBovine If you Up-air whilst rising through a platform at the right time, the aerial will cancel and you will land on the platform with aerial landing lag (can be l-cancelled). There are 3 frames (at least from a full hop under a lower battlefield platform) where performing an up-air will be cancelled, but only the 3rd frame will allow a hitbox (the first hitbox of upair) to appear before the move is cancelled. You can do this on varying platform heights and from double jumps too.Hitbox version, fullhop battlefield:0 -1 - Jump (jumpsquat)2 - Jump3 - Jump4 - Jump5 - First frame airborne17 - Up air (up+a, c-stick up)18 - | L-cancel window19 - |20 - | window end - Hitbox21 - Cancelled30 - Wait (can now move/attack)From a fullhop under a lower battlefield platform, this is the frame you want to input up-a/c-stick up for the hitbox version:Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/ImmaterialSeparateFieldmouse The timing for the upair is exactly the same as the original, the only difference with this is holding a direction to keep your momentum. I performed an up-air once edge cancelled, but you can use any air move you like.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/MasculineUntidyElkhound 0 - Cliffwait1 - Down (drop)2 - Down (FastFall)3 -4 -5 - Double jump + Towards stage6 -7 -8 -9 - (can up-air a frame earlier on yoshis, you get 1 more hitbox frame before it cancels, thus 1 more frame to l-cancel)10 - Up+A / C-stick Up11 - | L-cancel window12 - |13 - | window end - Hitbox14 - Cancels - landing lag starts15 -23 - Wait (can now move/attack)30 - TangibleDirect link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/PleasantBlindElver 0 - Cliffwait1 - Down (drop)2 - Down (fastfall)3 -4 -5 -6 - Double jump + Towards stage7 -8 -9 -10 -11 -12 -13 - Up+A / C-stick Up14 - | L-cancel window15 - |16 - | window end - Hitbox17 - Cancels - landing lag starts18 -19 -26 - Wait (can now move/attack)27 -28 -29 -30 - TangibleYou can do this without fastfall, dj on frame 15 of fall, up air on frame 9 of dj. The hitbox will be out on intangible frames, but you become tangible during landing lag.The diamonds are called ECB Environment Collision Boxes, they show the true position of the character and are responsible for collisions with the environment and other characters. On the frame before the hitbox, you can see the ECB is short and narrow, and above the platform. On the hitbox frame, you can see the ECB gets taller and moves downward towards the platform (just above it). On the frame after the ECB (just focus on the white outline diamond), gets even taller and moves downward enough to touch the platform. When the ECB moves downward into the ground/platform, it triggers landing.The Interrupt without the hitbox occurs when the ECB downward movement of frame 4 (first hitbox frame) goes through the platform. This is why the spacing/timing of the hitbox version is so precise, the ECB of frame 4 must not interact with the platform, and the ECB of frame 5 must interact, all whilst rising above it.All attacks change the characters ECB in some way, this particular attack moves the ECB downward on specific frames. So with correct spacing you can make that downward movement touch a platform as you are rising above it.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/SimilarVeneratedIndianjackal Unfortunately Luigi cannot get a hitbox out. Luigi has the exact same ECB pattern, but his hitbox comes out a frame later, and the ECB does not move downward anymore after frame 5. So if you do the same spacing with him, the move would cancel on the first hitbox frame, instead of the second.You could maybe do it on a rising platform with TAS-like spacing but you could probably say the same thing for most aerials in the game.When you do Mario and Doc's upair 1 frame or 2 frames earlier then my example, they will cancel it before the hitbox as well, due to frame 4's ECB downward movement.[/collapse]#4[collapse=Platform Warp]Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/TerribleElegantGartersnake When dropping from a platform, you can get a very quick No Impact Land if you double jump on a specific frame. Once landed, you have only 1 frame of landing lag..Here is what the frame looks like:This is the 17th frame of FALL after dropping from a platform without fastfall.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/LonelyCreepyHorse Just airdodge left/right the frame you would normally land.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/LankyOrganicCanadagoose Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/WeeklyDizzyAnteater Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/BronzeDangerousAntipodesgreenparakeet Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/MasculineThickBrocketdeer If you use an aerial as you double jump you can "warp" to the platform just as fast, but of course suffer aerial landing lag (can l-cancel). Only Upair and Nair are useful as they grant hitboxes. Due to the nature of the tech, aerials require specific setups to work when hitting an opponent (explained below in WTF section).Below is a table for both Upair and Nair determining which frame setups will cancel on the platform when there is an opponent to hit. I have added AI setups as they are very similar and occur at similar frames. Hitbox AIs (AIA) require different L-cancel timing though, please read the key below the tables.Hitbox - Is there an active hitbox before the move cancelsPW - Platform Warp (1 frame less landing lag) (must L-cancel on hitbox frame or before)AI - Aerial Interrupt (can L-cancel during hitlag)Autocancel - Aerial immediately cancels and you suffer only standard landing lag, 4 frames,On frame 10 of Doc's double jump, his ECB updates to a set position. In most situations this update will not make much difference, specifically when the ECB on frames 1-9 have already adjusted to the extension or near enough. But when you drop through a platform, your ECB gains more downward extension the longer you fall. So when you double jump after dropping from a platform after a certain amount of frames, the frame 10 update will have a considerable effect and shift his ECB downward. With correct timing/spacing, you can position the ECB to be just above the platform on frame 9 then shift into a platform on the frame 10 update and trigger a No-Impact Land.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/ElectricWhirlwindAlligatorgar Here I do the same timing, but away from the platform to help show the ECB update.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/ComplicatedSecondhandAmericanlobster When you perform an aerial after the double jump, the frame 10 update shift still occurs, and can happen during hitlag. Because the update can happen in hitlag, it makes the tech limited to only a few specific setups. This is because you need to start hitlag when your ECB is above the platform, as your ECB will be frozen until the update. Updating in hitlag also triggers landing, but you will still be stuck on the first frame of the aerial landing animation till hitlag is over. Because of this, you must L-cancel before the update, and mathematically, you suffer 1 frame less lag then an AIA.[/collapse]#5[collapse=Perfect Tornado Press]If you mash B during Doc's down-b Tornado, you can gain considerable height. You can use this for recovering, or even killing an opponent off the top. For each seperate press of B, you must release B for at least 1 frame before another press can be read. A PTP is usually considered to be a tornado that when started from the ground on yoshis, will rise enough to land on the top platform. This can be done with as little as 6 presses, but they must be evenly distributed between frame 1 and frame 38. Even distributing is crucial for this tech, even if you mash 12 times frame perfectly in the first 24 frames, as soon as you stop you will lose momentum and start to drop, not reaching yoshis top platform.You can hold left or right to move in each direction and it has no effect on height gain. (Holding up or down will not affect it either)Here is a visual graph to show the differences in tornado heights. I double jump on frame 80 (first frame possible) to show the true height gain for each variant.I must stress that these presses are spread out evenly between frames 1 and 38. I found it quite interesting to discover that there is no difference in horizontal distance gained with varying amounts of presses, and also that the difference between 12 and 18 presses is so small.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/AdvancedPlushGnat 0 -1 - Down-B2 -3 -4 -5 - B (must mash first by frame 5)6 -7 -8 -9 -10 -11 - B12 -13 -14 -15 -16 -17 - B18 -19 -20 -21 -22 -23 - B24 -25 -26 -27 -28 -29 - B30 -31 -32 -33 -34 -35 - B36 -37 -38 - Last hitbox (mashing b on this frame or after will do nothing)39 -76 -77 - Can hold Up to buffer a double jump (x/y will not work)78 -79 -80 - Double jump / up-bApart from the first mash, the presses can be a little leniant and start a frame or two later or earlier a few times. You can hold each press for as many frames as you need to, as long as there is at least 1 frame before your next press.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/GranularGleefulGrebe 0 -1 - Down-B2 -3 - B4 -5 - B6 -7 - B8 -9 - B10 -11 - B12 -13 - B14 -15 - B16 -17 - B18 -19 - B20 -21 - B22 -23 - B24 -25 - B26 -27 - B28 -29 - B30 -31 - B32 -33 - B34 -35 - B36 -37 - B38 - Last hitbox (mashing b on this frame or after will do nothing)39 -76 -77 - Can hold Up to buffer a double jump (x/y will not work)78 -79 -80 - Double jump / up-b[/collapse]#6[collapse=Dash Attack Ledgegrab]Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/NiftyFelineAdouri If you dash attack to the edge of a stage, you can quickly turn and fall to the ledge with correct inputs. You can also use this technique on platforms. Kadano says:Due to yoshis slanted edges, you can grab the ledge 4 frames quicker than any other legal stage.0 - Running or >4th frame of dash1 - Dash attack2 -35 -36 - anywhere but back, if back is held on frame 3737 - | Window for Back38 - | Window End (must be pressing back) (cancels the dash attack on it's first IASA frame, and starts a Turn)39 - Hold Back (starts a dash that is instantly edge cancelled into Fall)40 - (Down to FastFall only on yoshis, can hold from here for other stages though)41 - Down to FastFall42 - (Grab ledge on yoshis)43 -44 -45 -46 - Grab ledge (Cliffcatch)47 -50 - (Cliffwait on yoshis)51 -52 -53 -54 - Cliffwait (can now move/attack)You could instead bair for a janky gimp.Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/SociableScornfulDunnart This was on a 60% Falco with NO DI, but even 40% worked (frame perfect). Lower % than that, it will connect if they double jump quickly. If he DIs towards the stage, you could connect an upair but it's probably better to not fall and instead go for a techchase (at high percents you could jc grab before they hit the ground). If he DIs away from the stage, a bair won't connect and it is best to lemon grab to the ledge and punish whatever option he chooses from there.May test other characters, but it'll likely come down to the floatier the character, the lower the percent.credits to Mr.Lemon for the discovery[/collapse]#7[collapse=Ledgedash]Doc has one of the best ledgedashes in the game, which can grant a maximum of 14 actionable intangible frames. But the speed at which you can ledgedash is dependent on ECB manipulation. ECB manipulation is simply the difference of the shape of the ECB when grabbing the ledge after certain aciions.Setups 1 to 3 will only take effect if you drop and doublejump within 3 frames after CliffWait 0 (if you take longer, you will go into setup 4). Once you doublejump you are locked into the setup's ECB state.Can wavedash on double jump frame 5. Maximum 14 actionable intangible frames.UPDATE: This can also be achieved by performing a backwards doublejump sweetspot.After wavedashing back off the stage, I fast fall on the 8th Frame airbourne, so I grab the ledge on Frame 11. Which is required for the setup.Can wavedash on double jump frame 6. Maximum 13 actionable intangible frames.Can wavedash on double jump frame 9. Maximum 11 actionable intangible frames.(note: Looks like setup 3 on the ledge, but the ECB is much smaller then setup 3 once you drop down.)Can wavedash on double jump frame 6. Maximum 10 actionable intangible frames.SuperStall. Can wavedash on double jump frame 7. Maximum 12 actionable intangible frames.[/collapse]#8[collapse=Community Suggestions]4 frames jumpsquat52 frames airborne (no fast fall)can pill on first frame airbornepill comes out on frame 14entire move is 43 frames9 frames lenient for slow startup, waveland and aerialsif you pill on first frame airborne, you can fast fall on the 34th frame or after and still perfect wavelandif you pill on the 8th frame airborne, you can fast fall and waveland on the last 2 frames airborneyou can pill on the 10th frame airborne and still waveland (only on the very last frame, no fast fall)Here is what pilling on the first frame, fastfalling on the 34th and wavelanding on the last looks like:Direct link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/DisgustingOrneryAmericancrayfish Magus has compiled a very detailed chart for chaingrabbing on each character at specific percents and DI.And here's a tiny bit of frame data on low percent fox/falco dthrow chaingrabs.[/collapse][collapse=Random Tidbits]Phantom pills do not produce the normal sfx on impact. A normal pill impact will trigger 2 sfx on the same frame, one of which is identical to a turnip or a shell impact. Phantom pills only trigger this sfx. When Kirby copies doc, his pills only trigger this sfx too.Doc's uptilt has 2 identical sfx on frame 4 and frame 5. If you listen closely you can hear this double sfx. Compare it to a jab if you still can't hear it.Mario's cape has a voice sfx unlike doc's. When caping in the air, this voice sfx is triggered on frame 10. When you are grounded, it triggers on frame 12. If you cape just before you hit the ground so that you land on frame 10 (you rise on frame 11), then both the aerial and grounded sfx will trigger and should sound something like "Ee-ee-yah!"Doc and Mario's rising cape refreshes after being in 1 of 3 states. Landing (empty jump, autocancel aerials), LandingFallSpecial (airdodge, wavedash, up-b) and landing during a cape animation. There are a number of ways to keep a non-rising cape. Landing during an aerial or pill will not refresh it, grabbing the ledge and performing a normal get-up will not trigger it either. You can repeatedly perform non-rising capes by fullhopping to cape and landing during an aerial or pill, or by ledgehopping to cape.The only reason why Mario can Platform Cancel Nair but Doc cannot, is because Doc's does not do enough damage on frame 1. This results in less hitlag, and is not enough time for the ECB to update whilst above the platform. If Doc's did 12% instead of 10%, it would work.When fighting against team kirby in classic mode, after copying Doc, the Kirby's Pill will make the launching sound of mario's fireball instead of a pill sound.[/collapse]Here's a HaxdashDirect link for better control of frames - http://gfycat.com/ImpoliteWealthyCoati