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paul87

@87.98.206.x -14 recommendations paul87 Anon Stand up for Internet freedom! STOP net "neutrality"! Once you let the federal government take over the Internet they'll never let go. The current free market operation of the Internet is much preferable to net "neutrality" that will let bureaucrats decide that some websites are more equal than others and inflate your bills with taxes.

v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by paul87 : STOP net "neutrality"! Once you let the federal government take over the Internet they'll never let go. The current free market operation of the Internet is much preferable to net "neutrality" that will let bureaucrats decide that some websites are more equal than others and inflate your bills with taxes. Except there is no such thing as a truly free market and what we have now is a joke at how dysfunctional things are. Letting big corporations run things is just as bad as the gov regulating things in the dysfunctional way things tend to turn out as opposed to a more ideal situation.

anonnymiss

@comcast.net -7 recommendations anonnymiss Anon Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! There is no "free market" 100% because of the government.



When they hand out "franchises" for cable TV, they pile on "Freebies" they companies that want to wire the city have to pay for.



The FCC could have been working toward freeing up massive amounts of wireless air space, to provide a true competitor to Cable and DSL internet, but they haven't.



It's because ALL government want's to control what you do. Period.

v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by anonnymiss : There is no "free market" 100% because of the government. said by anonnymiss : It's because ALL government want's to control what you do. Period. Bullshit. The big corporations deserve a lot more of the blame here. They're the ones pushing for / influencing changes which prevent that from being possible.Big corporations are doing a lot more to control what I am doing and how I am doing things on a day to day basis. Period. Kearnstd

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If you think government control is scary, Just wait till you see corporate control.

yonn32

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"Free market." Let companies decide what's good for you and what next thing to charge more on your bill. I don't see freedom with this model.

scott2020

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You have been reading too much Alex Jones. Do your own research on what it really is instead of listening to blowhards on TV and radio.



Remember back in the 90's when you could choose from dozens of ISP's, because you used your "dumb" phone line to connect to the one of your choice? That is what we need here. A dumb pipe to your house, and you choose from dozens of ISP's.



I know this version of the FCC's proposal does not do this, but at least it is a step in the right direction for consumers.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI 1 recommendation nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by scott2020: You have been reading too much Alex Jones. Do your own research on what it really is instead of listening to blowhards on TV and radio.



Remember back in the 90's when you could choose from dozens of ISP's, because you used your "dumb" phone line to connect to the one of your choice? That is what we need here. A dumb pipe to your house, and you choose from dozens of ISP's.



I know this version of the FCC's proposal does not do this, but at least it is a step in the right direction for consumers.

Oh and by the way, Maybe you should research what Alex Jones actually covers instead of being scared. Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. It has too many possibilities of being overly regulated leading to censorship, and more then likely higher costs.Oh and by the way, Maybe you should research what Alex Jones actually covers instead of being scared.

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Brewster, WA 1 recommendation firephoto Premium Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by nonamesleft: Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. It has too many possibilities of being overly regulated leading to censorship, and more then likely higher costs.

Oh and by the way, Maybe you should research what Alex Jones actually covers instead of being scared.



I would guess that they are in fact retaining the ability to overly regulate and censor and obviously make up reasons to charge you more.



Thanks for playing, maybe you'll get lucky soon! So your ISP terms, do they disallow anything? Do they state you can't run a "server"? Do they list specific things you are not allowed to do with your internet connection? Do they state they can just cut you off if they so choose?I would guess that they are in fact retaining the ability to overly regulate and censor and obviously make up reasons to charge you more.Thanks for playing, maybe you'll get lucky soon!

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by firephoto: said by nonamesleft: Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. It has too many possibilities of being overly regulated leading to censorship, and more then likely higher costs.

Oh and by the way, Maybe you should research what Alex Jones actually covers instead of being scared.



I would guess that they are in fact retaining the ability to overly regulate and censor and obviously make up reasons to charge you more.



Thanks for playing, maybe you'll get lucky soon! So your ISP terms, do they disallow anything? Do they state you can't run a "server"? Do they list specific things you are not allowed to do with your internet connection? Do they state they can just cut you off if they so choose?I would guess that they are in fact retaining the ability to overly regulate and censor and obviously make up reasons to charge you more.Thanks for playing, maybe you'll get lucky soon! So what if they state I can't run a server, I don't since it would be against the TOS. So your argument was really poor. Speaking of playing thanks for the easy game, maybe you'll test out your theories for us.

Simba7

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said by nonamesleft: Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. said by firephoto: So your ISP terms, do they disallow anything? Do they state you can't run a "server"? Do they list specific things you are not allowed to do with your internet connection? Do they state they can just cut you off if they so choose?



I would guess that they are in fact retaining the ability to overly regulate and censor and obviously make up reasons to charge you more. That has got to be the stupidest reason ever.All too true. I run a server anyway, though. Probably one reason most ISP's upload speeds suck, they don't want competition and people hosting their own stuff.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by Simba7: said by nonamesleft: Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. That has got to be the stupidest reason ever.

If you aren't going to bother checking the link out, then you have nothing to complain about. Nope it isn't. Think about all the lies he has told, and continues to tell. Why should I believe, and trust him now? Take a look at this list » danfromsquirrelhill.word ··· ama-252/ If you aren't going to bother checking the link out, then you have nothing to complain about.

Simba7

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1 edit 2 recommendations Simba7 Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by nonamesleft: Nope it isn't. Think about all the lies he has told, and continues to tell. Why should I believe, and trust him now? Take a look at this list »danfromsquirrelhill.word ··· ama-252/

If you aren't going to bother checking the link out, then you have nothing to complain about.



..and as for Obama lying? Oh ya, tell that to Bush who lied his a** off and everyone believed it. I bet you think The Patriot Act was awesome as well, eh? One who whines about censorship and being monitored?



Ya, I know some people in Wisconsin. Don't get me started. There is plenty of information on this site alone on how backwards Wisconsin is in Broadband connectivity and how long it has been going on. Maybe if your GOVERNOR gave a crap about the people HE works for and would actually be for future technologies instead of getting subsidies from the telecom companies, MAYBE you would have decent infrastructure.



So, don't whine to us that "Obama Lied". You've been lied to this entire time by Republicans. I don't believe sh*t from a blog. I need an actual news source...and as for Obama lying? Oh ya, tell that to Bush who lied his a** off and everyone believed it. I bet you think The Patriot Act was awesome as well, eh? One who whines about censorship and being monitored?Ya, I know some people in Wisconsin. Don't get me started. There is plenty of information on this site alone on how backwards Wisconsin is in Broadband connectivity and how long it has been going on. Maybe if your GOVERNOR gave a crap about the people HE works for and would actually be for future technologies instead of getting subsidies from the telecom companies, MAYBE you would have decent infrastructure.So, don't whine to us that "Obama Lied". You've been lied to this entire time by Republicans. kaila

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So you like the broken market as it currently exists (and getting more broken), having fewer choices, and getting ripped off? /no sarcasm, i work in telecom.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by kaila: So you like the broken market as it currently exists (and getting more broken), having fewer choices, and getting ripped off? /no sarcasm, i work in telecom. You assume I like broken markets, having fewer choices, and being ripped off. No actually I don't. Trust is a big issue, since obama has been caught lying again, and again, again. Go to my above response and check out the link. 54761437 (banned)

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gr8 b8 m8, i r8 an 8/8.

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said by nonamesleft: Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it. Well we can hope Obama comes out in favor of breathing. Skippy25

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Well then you need to stop being such a lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by Skippy25: Well then you need to stop being such a lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself. Dude, don't even try passing me off as a liberal. I am far from it. People that throw their support behind something because obama supports it is a good definition of lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself ( liberals have a very hard time thinking for themselves ).

firephoto

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Brewster, WA firephoto Premium Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by nonamesleft: said by Skippy25: Well then you need to stop being such a lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself. Dude, don't even try passing me off as a liberal. I am far from it. People that throw their support behind something because obama supports it is a good definition of lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself ( liberals have a very hard time thinking for themselves ).



You, who throws your "Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it." makes you not lazy?



Wow, you just pull out the big bold playbook methods hoping nobody sees you just take word for word and reverse things in a way that is time again proven not true.



But I commend you for standing up for that super majority of uber conservative deeply critcal thinkers who always speak the the factual truth.



And... I fully understand that you like the current situation provided by your ISP that lets them legally censor your content and control your behavior online. Because if the government legally censored your content (hint they do) it would totally not be cool man.



I don't mean to be disrespectful but you honestly are a long way from a truthful reality or you're just toeing the line a cause that puts bread on the table, or directly involved in this fight politically. What? full stop.You, who throws your "Obama has come out supporting Title II. That means I'm against it." makes you not lazy?Wow, you just pull out the big bold playbook methods hoping nobody sees you just take word for word and reverse things in a way that is time again proven not true.But I commend you for standing up for that super majority of uber conservative deeply critcal thinkers who always speak the the factual truth.And... I fully understand that you like the current situation provided by your ISP that lets them legally censor your content and control your behavior online. Because if the government legally censored your content (hint they do) it would totally not be cool man.I don't mean to be disrespectful but you honestly are a long way from a truthful reality or you're just toeing the line a cause that puts bread on the table, or directly involved in this fight politically. Skippy25

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And people that don't support something because Obama does are the exact same so I am not sure where you are headed with that.

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said by nonamesleft: said by Skippy25: Well then you need to stop being such a lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself. Dude, don't even try passing me off as a liberal. I am far from it. People that throw their support behind something because obama supports it is a good definition of lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself ( liberals have a very hard time thinking for themselves ).



It is idiotic to say you are against something because Obama is for it. It is just as stupid as saying you are for something because Obama is for it. Groupthink is something that plagues both liberals and conservatives, as you have so aptly proven.It is idiotic to say you are against something because Obama is for it. It is just as stupid as saying you are for something because Obama is for it.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by PaulHikeS2: said by nonamesleft: said by Skippy25: Well then you need to stop being such a lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself. Dude, don't even try passing me off as a liberal. I am far from it. People that throw their support behind something because obama supports it is a good definition of lazy person that can't educate himself/herself about a subject and teach yourself to then think for yourself ( liberals have a very hard time thinking for themselves ).



It is idiotic to say you are against something because Obama is for it. It is just as stupid as saying you are for something because Obama is for it. Groupthink is something that plagues both liberals and conservatives, as you have so aptly proven.It is idiotic to say you are against something because Obama is for it. It is just as stupid as saying you are for something because Obama is for it. Since you claim to be the impartial great one, lets hear what your great plan is!

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Pure hyperbole and irrational conspiracy. You are the perfect Jones fanboi.

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Funny how you propagandists never actually create accounts. You never want to stick around to defend your positions.

AnonDude

@charter.com AnonDude Anon Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by neill6705: Funny how you propagandists never actually create accounts. You never want to stick around to defend your positions. No to defend anyone's point of view since I doubt your REAL name is neill6705 how are you any less anonymous than "anons"?

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join:2007-08-20 mackey Premium Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by AnonDude : how are you any less anonymous than "anons"? You can click his name and view all of his posts and easily see if he's just a shill.

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said by neill6705: Funny how you propagandists never actually create accounts. You never want to stick around to defend your positions. Exactly. The big issue at hand, is that the movement is so big to support title II, it can and will be taken advantage of by insiders. clone (banned)

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I'll second it, then. When the government gets control of the Internet, be prepared for censorship and all kinds of regulations on content and what you can and can't say/do online.



Be careful what you wish for, the grass is always greener, etc. etc.



And I logged in to say it! If this goes through, the Internet as we know it is dead.

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Palo Alto, CA JakCrow Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! Quit clutching your pearls.

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How do we know that were winning? smk11

join:2014-11-12 smk11 Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! said by Wereking : How do we know that were winning? Title II is actually being talked about still. quisp65

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San Diego, CA quisp65 Member Re: Stand up for Internet freedom! But we've villainized so many groups that have ideas that people are only listening from a selected few. I don't mind hearing from the ISPs, GOP or others.... lets talk about everything based on their merits and not who it is coming from. Kearnstd

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That wonderful free market of broken deployment promises and mid sized cities that were told they would modern networks when everybody agreed to the statewide franchise a decade ago but still have 3mbit DSL. That free market? smk11

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said by paul87 : STOP net "neutrality"! Once you let the federal government take over the Internet they'll never let go. The current free market operation of the Internet is much preferable to net "neutrality" that will let bureaucrats decide that some websites are more equal than others and inflate your bills with taxes. Astroturfing in action!

anonnymiss

@comcast.net -7 recommendations anonnymiss Anon It's simple Muni systems won't have the money to upgrade their interconnect and routers that Comcast, Verizon and att will saturate with a streaming cable service.



This will effectively kill these muni systems because the FCC will have to go after them when Comcast, Verizon, and att file complaints.



Americans providers spent $137 billion on improving their fixed networks and $55 billion on their mobile networks between 2011 and 2012, while European providers spent $31 billion and $29 billion respectively.



82 percent of U.S. homes had access to broadband speeds of 25 mbps or more (including 48 percent of rural homes), and 86 percent were within range of 4G LTE mobile service. In Europe, 54 percent of homes had access to equivalent speeds, including 12 percent rural and 27 percent mobile LTE.



In terms of competition, 76 percent of households in the U.S. have their choice of three or more fixed broadband ISPs, whereas the majority of European households have access to only one.

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Mr_Anon_Name

@cox.net Mr_Anon_Name Anon Puppeteering? Was this the part where they puppet letters again like the Comcast merger nonsense?

KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net -2 recommendations KennyWest Anon cannot invalidate He has no power to toss out state laws nor bans. The FCC is seriously looking at getting sued not only by ISPs but by the States as well. This FCC needs to go.

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