dyonoi answered:

i really dont care what people ship in general. hell i met someone who ships bro/doc scratch. whether it makes sense or not shouldnt be something that suddenly makes it illegal to ship a ship. i mean theres always aus and crack ships and what not. go wild kids



my problem is when people dont stay in their lane and act like its some software upgrade to dave/karkat and act like content should be in that tag too. its not. its a completely different ship so please go away

my other problem is when it crosses over into the realm of canon meta with people acting like its suddenly actual comic canon and making justifications for it. like you said, dave isnt comfortable with being in a poly ship. you see some people arguing this happened when he was 13 and that he “grew” out of it later. yes, he did break it off with terezi for wanting to date gamzee at the same time, but given how they were still dating during openbound, this must have happened closer to when he was around 15, not 13.

then some people say that since he spent more time with karkat, he learned about the quadrant system and adopted it and thats proof that hed be ok with it

HOWEVER…..

dave still isnt comfortable with karkat dating another person, EVEN IF hes been educated on the subject of troll romance and the polyamory that comes along with it. even if dave says he “gets it,” hes still not going to do quadrants because he became clearly jealous when karkat brought up his past BLACK crush on john. again, BLACK, not RED – which is at least what his and karkats relationship falls under when we see jasprose state that the quadrant nepeta wanted karkat in (red) is taken

this says a WHOLE FUCKING LOT, more so than the terezi and gamzee issue imo. even after literally being educated on polyamory for three years by a troll obsessed with the idea of quadrants, to the point of not outright dismissing them anymore like he did pre-retcon and being more open minded about it, dave is still not comfortable with the idea of karkat pursuing anyone else even in the black quadrant, one which doesnt fully define his and karkats own relationship. he still cant fucking do it even under the base definitions of quadrants he learned

not only that, but the line dave says to karkat during this exchange – “is this something you been thinking about this whole time or” – also says a lot. not only is it probably one of the more insecure statements dave has said, its also a little absurd on a logical basis and goes to show how insecure the idea of karkat having feelings for someone else makes him. dave takes karkats past black crush on john and sees it to mean that karkat was wishing dave was john during the entire three years. thats just really fucking sad.

and weve seen this behavior with dave before. he compares himself to others all the time and feels like shit because he feels he cant compete with them! hell this is at the center of his entire goddamn coolkid facade, he tries to live up to his bros crazy insane ideals and when he fails it ruined his self esteem. you also see him compare himself to john all the time – he outright tells terezi one time that “no matter what i do ill never catch up to john” and we all know how he reacted when john was a god tier and he wasnt. and its not just john and bro either, he does this with jade in regards to his medium entry vs hers. he goes on about how much of an idiot he was, that what the hell was he doing, even jade knew what to do, that she was schooling his ignorant ass, that she started out with more sense than him, etc. im sure there are other examples but these are just the ones off the top of my head

the point is that dave constantly compares himself to other people and this is the main source of his internal character conflict, it is absolutely fucking criticalto him, and we literally saw this complex in action in regards to polyamory when the idea of karkat having had feelings for someone else was brought up where he reacted overwhelmingly negatively

i mean how much more explicit can this even be? the idea that even after reading this people can still think dave being canon poly is remotely feasible completely fucking boggles my mind

then of course theres karkat. ive gone into it many many many times but the concept of quadrant dating in alternia is akin to compulsory heterosexuality for humans. karkat has mentioned that on alternia trolls that want one partner in all 4 quadrants are seen as joke characters in the media, and calls himself a “desperate fool” for feeling this way about someone. karkats obsession with quadrants and romance movies and literature, while at the same time showing a complete lack of tack with his own quadrant issues, points towards someone who is overcompensating, especially when he used a fictional goddamn troll harlem romance novel as a fucking guide to solve his, daves and terezis issues duing penis ouija and the narrative pointed towards it being a ridiculous idea even for trolls to propose. and given how his entire loud angry persona is a blatant overcompensation for his feelings of inferiority in the first place (dave hits the nail with the hammer when he says “loudmouth inferiority thing”) this is behavior that karkat has shown time and time again to use.

so much about karkats character is how much of a periah and un-trollike he is. from his deceptively peaceful personality (this is a troll that faints at the sight of blood. an ALTERNIAN GODDAMN TROLL), to his blood color, to his tiny ass horns, hes meant to be more human than troll. this is even outright said to be the case in the text.

then youve got the signless and the allusion that he didnt do quadrants either, and the parallel is quite clear especially when terezi and vriska, two trolls, werent able to tell what quadrant dave and karkat had “settled” in which implies that theyre not really in any of them.

ok, so karkat cant do quadrants, so what? cant he just have panquadrant feelings for dave and someone else at the same time? uh ok, if you want to ignore the entire framing of the karkat/terezi situation? he outright says he wanted to “keep her all to himself,” and the entire issue and his meltdown is sparked when terezi simply starts having interest in someone else. for someone to divorce these ideas from one other sounds like some major jumping through hoops to justify something they want instead of objectively analyzing whats there. also saying that karkat needs to get over this and that embracing polyamory is the key to his “character development.” yes, a lot of karkats development is learning to become less possessive and dismissing other peoples feelings and agency. you see the culmination of this when he talks to terezi in openbound. BUT HE GREW UP IN A SOCIETY WHERE POLYAMORY WAS THE NORM AND IT WAS HAMMERED INTO HIM SINCE BIRTH AND EVEN AFTER TRYING TO BE AN EXPERT ON THEM HES STILL NOT ABLE TO ADHERE TO THE CONCEPT AND FAILS AT TRYING. do you seriously think hes going to be able to move past that hurdle???? i mean think what you want in regards to polyamory IRL but in homestucks case…… its tied to a characters nature and is as much a part of their sexuality as liking boys or girls or both or none (or davepeta)



also because by this same logic fuckin gtav/jake/dirk is canon too because they were hanging out together lol



i wholeheartedly disagree with the implication that a female character can only be truly happy if shes in a relationship with men. i hate the idea that because i dont wish jade to be involved with davekat means that i somehow hate her, or am misogynist, or dont want her around them period. this is really goddamn ridiculous and a shitty ass argument and if anyone tries to paint you this way please ignore them lmao because theyre probably more interested in situating themselves as morally superior vs the rest of the subfandom and being the purity police than actually believing and wanting it. i think jade is happy enough to be around her friends in general and to equate her “deserving to be happy” with “dating these two male characters” perpetuates the idea females characters are always looking for romance and that it should be their end goal. fuck right off with that bullshit pls



i also think its borderline insulting to say that an author would throw away an incredibly large and well-executed arc between two characters directly involving a love triangle……for another love triangle with another girl. its just thematically muddled up and shitty writing wise

also the idea that hussie has to do it to “appease everyone.” homestuck has always had some level of influence from the readers, but if appeasing the largest amount of people was always hussies goal instead of writing the characters consistently and with an iota of sense then johndave would be fucking canon

again, people can ship it all they want even just for fun or in an au or cute pics or whatever. but if youre gonna act like its feasible in canon and start spouting some canon meta for it at people without even questioning it im gonna have some MAJOR fucking reservations about your ability to interpret dave and karkats core characters correctly and im probably not going to touch your fanwriting with a 100 foot pole