Quote: phdo Originally Posted by I think the issue is SSE and also the fixed mag. That’s the reason why I would never use the Franklin DFM. Yes, you’re compliant when the DFM is installed but anyone can easily take it out. Therefore, making it an assault weapon by definition.



My contention is, if he had to send a picture to DOJ(and from reading other threads here -apparently sending pics is required only after a certain date-before that you can politely remind them that no pictures are required), it should’ve been a pic of the pistol with a zero round sled installed.



Meaning no magazine of ANY type,as that shows you have converted the pistol from a roster exempt SSE ,to other than a single shot configuration-which it looks like they are considering as manufacturing an unsafe handgun.



On this issue- I am not sure if Doj cares one way or not if the “unsafe” repeater that you just converted your formerly exempt SSE into is-is manual operated or semiauto.



Manual or semiauto shouldn’t matter-either way -you converted the gun from Roster exempt single shot to non exempt (no longer a single shot but a repeater)”unsafe” handgun.



A crime.



Now obviously- if you did convert to semiauto as opposed to manual operation then you damn well better have a fixed mag or a second crime has been committed.



From DOJ website(pay particular attention to the 2nd paragraph):



“Important Notice Regarding Single Shot Pistols Purchased by the Public

Purchasers should be aware that aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons.



In addition to the above considerations, alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.



Should you have any questions, please contact the Bureau of Firearms, Customer Support Center at (855) 365-3767 or via e-mail at





From Franklin Armory:



“From our discussions with CADOJ personnel, it was clear that they intended to prosecute individuals that purchased a single shot exempt pistol and later modified the firearm to semiautomatic. While I think that may be a very hard case for CADOJ to prove....”



Not so hard to prove for DOJ since OP sent them a pic with a magazine installed. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I think whether the magazine is fixed or not -or how it is fixed has ZERO to do with this.My contention is, if he had to send a picture to DOJ(and from reading other threads here -apparently sending pics is required only after a certain date-before that you can politely remind them that no pictures are required), it should’ve been a pic of the pistol with a zero round sled installed.Meaning no magazine of ANY type,as that shows you have converted the pistol from a roster exempt SSE ,to other than a single shot configuration-which it looks like they are considering as manufacturing an unsafe handgun.On this issue- I am not sure if Doj cares one way or not if the “unsafe” repeater that you just converted your formerly exempt SSE into is-is manual operated or semiauto.Manual or semiauto shouldn’t matter-either way -you converted the gun from Roster exempt single shot to non exempt (no longer a single shot but a repeater)”unsafe” handgun.A crime.Now obviously- if you did convert to semiauto as opposed to manual operation then you damn well better have a fixed mag or a second crime has been committed.From DOJ website(pay particular attention to the 2nd paragraph):“Important Notice Regarding Single Shot Pistols Purchased by the PublicPurchasers should be aware that aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons.In addition to the above considerations, alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.Should you have any questions, please contact the Bureau of Firearms, Customer Support Center at (855) 365-3767 or via e-mail at bofdes@doj.ca.gov .”From Franklin Armory:“From our discussions with CADOJ personnel, it was clear that they intended to prosecute individuals that purchased a single shot exempt pistol and later modified the firearm to semiautomatic. While I think that may be a very hard case for CADOJ to prove....”Not so hard to prove for DOJ since OP sent them a pic with a magazine installed. Last edited by LEAD LAUNCHER; 02-04-2019 at 11:53 AM ..