Fox News host Tucker Carlson appeared to justify President Donald Trump’s meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un this weekend by saying that despite Pyongyang’s rampant human rights abuses, many foreign leaders were responsible for “killing people.”

Carlson was on the sidelines at the Demilitarized Zone during Trump’s meeting with Kim this weekend.

Trump became the first sitting U.S. president to step foot in North Korea, briefly crossing into the country to meet with Kim before the pair held a closed-door session on Pyongyang’s nuclear program on the South Korean side of the DMZ.

“There’s no defending the North Korean regime, which is a monstrous regime, it’s the last really Stalinist regime in the world. It’s a disgusting place,” Carlson said during a phone call on “Fox & Friends” on Sunday morning.

He added:

“On the other hand, you know, you got to be honest about what it means to lead a country, it means killing people. Not on the scale that the North Koreans do, but a lot of countries commit atrocities, including a number that we’re closely allied with.”

Carlson noted he wasn’t a “relativist or anything,” merely stating that Trump was responsible for choosing “between the bad people and the worse people” when it came to diplomacy.

“He’s, you know, far less sentimental about this stuff, and maybe, I think more realistic about him,” the Fox News host said.