Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump’s top aide Paul Manafort suggested the billionaire won’t select a woman or a minority to be his vice presidential candidate because “that would be viewed as pandering, I think.”

In an exclusive sit down with the Huffington Post, Manafort said Trump should pick someone with significant political experience.

“He needs an experienced person to do the part of the job he doesn’t want to do. He sees himself more as the chairman of the board, than even the CEO, let alone the COO,” Manafort explained.

Corey Lewandowski, Trump’s campaign manager, during a previous appearance on CBS, said the vice presidential choice will have “federal legislative experience.