China’s Communist Party is “very happy to kill tens of thousands of Americans each year” with its fentanyl exports, knowing of overdoses related to the opiate’s abuse, said Gordon Chang, Daily Beast columnist and expert on China, in a Thursday interview on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Tonight with hosts Rebecca Mansour and Joel Pollak.

Pollak asked Chang about China’s stated commitment to restrict manufacturing and exporting of fentanyl to the U.S., following President Donald Trump’s request for cooperation from Chinese President Xi Jinping on the matter.

Chang replied, “The fentanyl comes from Chinese sources, and these are well-organized gangs. In the semi-totalitarian state that Beijing runs, the Communist Party knows what’s going on. Trump was right to call the Chinese out on this, and the fact that Beijing didn’t do anything about it is a real indication that they were very happy to kill tens of thousands of Americans each year, which means that we should be very happy not to do business with China and close our markets to China, and disengage our economy from them, and give them as rough a time as they’ve been giving us.”

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Chang continued, “What is it going to take to get them to stop fentanyl? I actually don’t know if there is anything. There’s going to be a point where we’re going to have to push the Chinese [Communist Party] to the edge of extinction, and then maybe they will come around, but maybe not.”

On Thursday, Trump announced that his administration would impose a ten percent tariff on the $300 billion of imports from China that have not yet been subject to new import duties, beginning in September.

“This is a great day for the United States of America,” said Chang of Trump’s promise to levy additional tariffs on Chinese imports. “First of all, Chinese leaders are used to deference from their American counterparts, and Trump absolutely showed Xi Jinping that the United States is just not going to bow down to Beijing. A lot of people said Trump is not going to do this, to oppose the additional tariffs on the remaining $300 billion of goods. They were saying consumers would complain, that Trump is too worried about the stock market, that Trump needs a trade deal for the November 2020 elections. Well, the President of the United States showed that everybody was wrong. He certainly surprised me [by] doing this.”

Chang added, “What [Donald Trump] did was show that the United States has that one element that we were concerned about, and that is political will. President Trump exhibited political will today, and that’s a great thing.”

Trump must suffocate Huawei, a China-based telecommunications company linked to the Chinese Communist Party, to protect America’s national security interests, determined Chang.

“I hope, now, that President Trump is not going to give the Chinese the reprieves on Huawei,” expressed Chang, “because that would not be good for us,” adding, “there is a chance that we will not help Huawei” in order to not “rescue that company.”

America must broadly begin decoupling its economy from China’s, advised Chang.

“[America needs] further disengagement from China,” Chang said. “Companies are going to take their supply chains and move them elsewhere because although they can price in additional tariffs, what they can’t price in is the uncertainty. And right now, given the friction between Washington and Beijing, they don’t know where this is going, so they cannot actually make plans, which means it’s much easier for them to move their factories to Vietnam, Bangladesh, or Jordan — wherever. But I think that we’re going to see this disentangling, which is a good thing for us.”

Chang went on, “Given all the other frictions in the relationship, I believe that we are headed for a divorce, which is a good thing, because for too long, the Chinese have been taking advantage of Americans, putting American workers out of work, and all the rest of it, stealing our intellectual property — this has just got to end.”

“We can affect a separation,” added Chang. “It’s going to be painful, but we can’t think that we have done decades of misguided trade policy and think that we can get out of this without cost.”

Pollak asked Chang about potential harm to American consumers in the context of tariff implementation on Chinese imports, noting the phenomenon of comparative advantage in the context of international trade.

“The Chinese don’t believe in the doctrine of comparative advantage, the notion which underpins all of global trade,” responded Chang. “I don’t see how you can run a global trading system with a large trading partner that doesn’t believe in this fundamental, comprehensive notion. We’re going to have to go in a different direction. We can trade with other countries. There are other countries in the world, and there are other countries in the world that are not headed to a debt crisis. So I’m very happy not to have American banks participating in the world’s next big crisis. I think we’re in a good place, right now.”

Chang praised Trump’s foreign policy toward China.

“I actually think that, with regard to the China tariffs, Trump is probably about the only person who could’ve done it,” estimated Chang. “Or let me put it this way: he was the only person who would’ve moved this fast. I think any American president would’ve eventually gotten to where we are today, it just would’ve taken a year and a half to two years, and of course, right now, time is everything, so it’s important. I think the president deserves a lot of credit for what he’s been doing with regard to trade with China.”

Pollak also asked Chang about a potential military conflict between the U.S. and China.

Chang replied, “Samuel Huntington, in Clash of Civilizations, his great work, said that trade is tot necessarily a way to prevent conflict. He said as trade relations deteriorate, then the possibility of military conflict rises fast. So it’s not necessarily the level of trade you have with another country, it’s the direction, and clearly, we are in a way of delinking.”

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