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Marc801 C · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65 Sep 2, 2016 · Sandy, Utah Posted by the Friends of Indian Creek Facebook group:



Hi Friends,

Just a reminder that the official start to fees-for-camping at the established camp grounds at Indian Creek starts this weekend and now group sites may be reserved on-line.



New overnight use fees in the Indian Creek Corridor include Creek Pasture and Superbowl campgrounds, which will be $5 per site. New group site fees at Indian Creek Falls will be set at $25, plus $2 per person per night and new group site fees at Creek Pasture will be set at $25, plus $3 per person per night. “The fees will help offset increasing operational costs, including campground cleaning, restroom maintenance and waste disposal that have come with increased visitation, as the area continues to gain popularity,” BLM officials said in the news release.



The BLM uses funds generated by the recreation fee program to “provide a safe and enjoyable experience for visitors by maintaining facilities and making site improvements such as picnic tables, fire rings, accessible sites, vault toilets, and shade shelters,” the news release stated.



A self-pay fee station will be located at the campground entrances. Group sites can be reserved online through the recreation.gov website. Individual campsites cannot be reserved in advance, and are on a first-come, first-served basis.



The business plan, which includes information regarding campground infrastructure and maintenance needs, is available online at: blm.gov/…/plan…/FinalBusinessPlanCampgrounds.html.

Marc801 C · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65 Sep 2, 2016 · Sandy, Utah reboot wrote: That's not a valid link Copy/paste from their FB page. Between what FB and MP do to shorten links, I'm not surprised.

Here's the direct link to the pdf:

blm.gov/style/medialib/blm/… Copy/paste from their FB page. Between what FB and MP do to shorten links, I'm not surprised.Here's the direct link to the pdf:

Aleks Zebastian · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175 Sep 2, 2016 · Boulder, CO climbing friend,



will the fees generate enough revenue to plow down the walls, and build giant gym walls with crack, and mind-bogglingly expensive mechanical devices that accept camming devices, so that you may be learning to climb indoors traditionally?

C Archibolt · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 1,009 Sep 2, 2016 · Salt Lake City, UT $5 a night for a site hardly sounds like a business. I think that is called "covering the cost of emptying the shitter."

Joe Auer · Joined Jul 2006 · Points: 375 Sep 2, 2016 · Utah Deewwwwwd, this is like totally lame, brah. I mean, I onsighted Ruby's I shouldn't have to pay for camping. I'm gonna have to sell my digeridoo now :(

LccClimber · Joined Jun 2016 · Points: 20 Sep 2, 2016 · Unknown Hometown Aleks Zebastian wrote: climbing friend, will the fees generate enough revenue to plow down the walls, and build giant gym walls with crack, and mind-bogglingly expensive mechanical devices that accept camming devices, so that you may be learning to climb indoors traditionally? Does anyone else read Alek's posts with an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice in their heads? Does anyone else read Alek's posts with an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice in their heads?

Marc801 C · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65 Sep 2, 2016 · Sandy, Utah LccClimber wrote: Does anyone else read Alek's posts with an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice in their heads? +1

I think the question is who doesn't? +1I think the question is who doesn't?

Marc801 C · Joined Feb 2014 · Points: 65 Sep 2, 2016 · Sandy, Utah C. Archibald wrote: $5 a night for a site hardly sounds like a business. I think that is called "covering the cost of emptying the shitter." Comparable sites - meaning not Camp 4 - in Yosemite are $26 / night, so, basically, yeah. Comparable sites - meaning not Camp 4 - in Yosemite are $26 / night, so, basically, yeah.

JK- Branin · Joined Nov 2012 · Points: 56 Sep 3, 2016 · Southern New Hampshire If you can afford 9373 identical cams to climb in indian creek you can afford $5 bucks to camp...



As the sport grows, camping fees and user fees are going to be more and more a part of continued access.

Aleks Zebastian · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 175 Sep 3, 2016 · Boulder, CO JK- wrote: If you can afford 9373 identical cams to climb in indian creek you can afford $5 bucks to camp... As the sport grows, camping fees and user fees are going to be more and more a part of continued access. climbing friend,



soon you will pay $107 for day pass to Indian Creek yes? Or $1800 for season pass, to stand in 40-deep line for crack? Much like you resort skiing mmmmyyyyessss???? myah?



and you have gondola going down center of canyon, for smoking of dope and getting to your preferred crag of the preference.



And let us all start blogs, podcasts, websites, and magazines in attempt to profit from the climbing sport, and then whine about increased crowdings.



Also the BLM I pay to them with my tax dollar already many years passing, so they must not act like fees shall cover all costs.



At least this will keep out some filthy hippie. climbing friend,soon you will pay $107 for day pass to Indian Creek yes? Or $1800 for season pass, to stand in 40-deep line for crack? Much like you resort skiing mmmmyyyyessss???? myah?and you have gondola going down center of canyon, for smoking of dope and getting to your preferred crag of the preference.And let us all start blogs, podcasts, websites, and magazines in attempt to profit from the climbing sport, and then whine about increased crowdings.Also the BLM I pay to them with my tax dollar already many years passing, so they must not act like fees shall cover all costs.At least this will keep out some filthy hippie.

grog m · Joined Aug 2012 · Points: 70 Sep 8, 2016 · Saltlakecity Just returned from the creek. I paid the fee but i assure you that most people did not. There isnt anyone enforcing it yet....



Also a reminder for creekers - dont use the cottonwoods for firewood! I saw some of that but didnt feel like being the crag police. use the tamerisks!!

Ball · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70 Sep 27, 2016 · Oakridge, OR Marc801 wrote: improvements such as picnic tables, fire rings, accessible sites, vault toilets, and shade shelters With the exception of primitive toilets, who in the fuck asked for any of this shit?



It better not look like fucking New Jack City. With the exception of primitive toilets, who in the fuck asked for any of this shit?It better not look like fucking New Jack City.

Ray Lovestead · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 109 Sep 27, 2016 · Boulder, CO LccClimber wrote: Does anyone else read Alek's posts with an Arnold Schwarzenegger voice in their heads? Nah, I always have cookie monster in my head for whatever reason. Nah, I always have cookie monster in my head for whatever reason.

Ball · Joined Jan 2010 · Points: 70 Sep 27, 2016 · Oakridge, OR Get it right: Aleks is eastern european and speaks in a no-nonsense manner of quiet wisdom and confidence. He grew up behind the iron curtain where all kinds of strings were pulled just to acquire a handful of steel biners. Being alone in a campground is impossible as he will pluck you out of your isolation and shove a bottle of Becherovka in your hands, and when climbing possibly gently admonish you if you do something unnecessarily risky or foolish.

Ray Lovestead · Joined Jan 2008 · Points: 109 Sep 27, 2016 · Boulder, CO C is for cookie, that's good enough for me. Hay!

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