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LegendaryActivity: 1484Merit: 1004 FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 12:46:47 AM #1 Jasinlee and LaSeek have announced their intentions to market an FPGA that does scrypt hashes. Their claim is 400 KH/s at a wattage in the low double digits, for a standalone wifi-connected unit at $300 USD. LaSeek claims to have worked on hardware optimizations for the scrypt algorithm for FPGA that allow for lower memory utilization while enhancing the number of logic unit cycles required.



This is all yet to be verified, but proof of concept will be presented soon according to them. Code: XMR: 44GBHzv6ZyQdJkjqZje6KLZ3xSyN1hBSFAnLP6EAqJtCRVzMzZmeXTC2AHKDS9aEDTRKmo6a6o9r9j86pYfhCWDkKjbtcns

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Sr. MemberActivity: 322Merit: 250 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 12:57:28 AM

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It will be standalone as said, so will it run litecoind by itself?

If not it will connect to a pre-configured p2pool? (unknown to customer that will buy it)



I ask those because laSeek said that the only thing that "you" will be able to config is adding your payment address and i curious on how it is possible.



Another thing i wanna say is that IF you release it and having it "locked" on litecoin (as laSeek mentioned) will be a failure, when a customer buys something doesnt want it locked and wants the freedom to choose between different coins. Bitcoin FPGA's or ASIC's dont hash only bitcoin

When i said that im gonna buy one, and mine nvc or ruc on it, laSeek said that i will have to tweek or re-program it, if there will be source available, so i guess there will not be source. Right?



A user on the chat copy/pasted an extreme (for scrypt) hashrate, if that is true, doesnt it count as pre-mining? (if it on the litecoin network) It could be seen as "Mine the hell out of a coin with this brand new device, and then sell all those useless devices"



EDIT: I wanna hold a position to be one of the first buyers :] I would be interested, and constantly refreshed here till i see a thread about it. My questions are:It will be standalone as said, so will it run litecoind by itself?If not it will connect to a pre-configured p2pool? (unknown to customer that will buy it)I ask those because laSeek said that the only thing that "you" will be able to config is adding your payment address and i curious on how it is possible.Another thing i wanna say is that IF you release it and having it "locked" on litecoin (as laSeek mentioned) will be a failure, when a customer buys something doesnt want it locked and wants the freedom to choose between different coins. Bitcoin FPGA's or ASIC's dont hash only bitcoinWhen i said that im gonna buy one, and mine nvc or ruc on it, laSeek said that i will have to tweek or re-program it, if there will be source available, so i guess there will not be source. Right?A user on the chat copy/pasted an extreme (for scrypt) hashrate, if that is true, doesnt it count as pre-mining? (if it on the litecoin network) It could be seen as "Mine the hell out of a coin with this brand new device, and then sell all those useless devices"EDIT: I wanna hold a position to be one of the first buyers :]

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Sr. MemberActivity: 322Merit: 250 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 01:14:25 AM #5 Quote from: smoothie on February 19, 2013, 01:09:30 AM No, creating a new device to mine an existing chain is not PREMINING lol.



It actually is, if you are saying that you have working devices you are willing to sell, and showing (copy/pasting) that it actually works (if thats the case), if its not considered "premining" its considered something very close to it to be fair



EDIT: added on my previous post: -> It could be seen as "Mine the hell out of a coin with this brand new "device", and then sell all those useless devices"



Before 1-2 days on the btc-e chat everyone(inc. laSeek) told that its unfair for the nvcdev(or any other coindev) to pre-mine his coin as a payment to himself, so how is this fair



Quote from: smoothie on February 19, 2013, 01:09:30 AM

And no you can't hold a position to be one of the first buyers.

But.. But... *counts dollars in front of you* (lol)





It actually is, if you are saying that you have working devices you are willing to sell, and showing (copy/pasting) that it actually works (if thats the case), if its not considered "premining" its considered something very close to it to be fairEDIT: added on my previous post: -> It could be seen as "Mine the hell out of a coin with this brand new "device", and then sell all those useless devices"Before 1-2 days on the btc-e chat everyone(inc. laSeek) told that its unfair for the nvcdev(or any other coindev) to pre-mine his coin as a payment to himself, so how is this fairBut.. But... *counts dollars in front of you* (lol)

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Sr. MemberActivity: 322Merit: 250 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 01:27:49 AM #7 Quote from: smoothie on February 19, 2013, 01:25:56 AM



If Novacoin (for example added any new value to crypto world) then okay...Balthazar has every right to premine and for people to take him seriously.



Finding a new design to mine in a more efficient manner (scrypt)...is NOT PREMINING.



Get that through your head.



The developers have every right to mine the fuck out of litecoin if they so choose because they added VALUE to litecoin and the new hardware by developing it.



LOL!



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Hey Dumbass,If Novacoin (for example added any new value to crypto world) then okay...Balthazar has every right to premine and for people to take him seriously.Finding a new design to mine in a more efficient manner (scrypt)...is NOT PREMINING.Get that through your head.The developers have every right to mine the fuck out of litecoin if they so choose because they added VALUE to litecoin and the new hardware by developing it.LOL!Your Best Friend,Smoothie



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Sr. MemberActivity: 396Merit: 250 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 02:03:29 AM #11 I have cheap electricity where I live ($.085/kWh). If these really were standalone and used low enough power, I'd probably buy 3-4 to start. Though I'm concerned about their effectiveness, as at 400KH/s, they lose money after the difficulty reaches around 80, and that's at my cheap electricity rates! I might be able to mine for a few months, but then they're break-even at best if the price doesn't increase. The Moose's Tip Jar: BTC - 1HoTm9ZqrEmD5Tvs5qAdPM311agyN3eHra

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Sr. MemberActivity: 396Merit: 250 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 03:57:12 AM #15 If the FPGA isn't less than the cost of a GPU with an equal-to or higher output, I wouldn't be a buyer. That's for sure! The FPGA would have to use a ridiculously low amount of energy compared to a GPU otherwise. The Moose's Tip Jar: BTC - 1HoTm9ZqrEmD5Tvs5qAdPM311agyN3eHra

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LegendaryActivity: 2884Merit: 1751 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 04:03:50 AM #16 Quote from: CoinHoarder on February 19, 2013, 02:23:33 AM



Laseek defaulted on a 30 BTC loan just a couple days ago:



https://btcjam.com/listings/747

http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1205.0.html

I wouldnt hand over pre order monies without extensive proof of a prototype.Laseek defaulted on a 30 BTC loan just a couple days ago:

there is still a couple months left till the loan is due to expire. so hold off spreading disgruntled loaners thoughts until the expiry date of loans.



if you had a mortgage and missed a payment just one month, or was a few days late in payment. would you want to have your house taken away instantly and imprisoned for fraud? of course not,

so chill out on accusing someone before expiry dates. put facts into context. and do the maths. that loaner complaining on the forums only put in 2BTC of the 30BTC. other big players and more experienced loaners know now to shout and accuse instantly. so dont take noob loaners aggressions to the reality of life as reasons to then cause chinese whispers, accusing people of scamming.



wait till April before accusing people.



and to user #636 who done a loan for about $50 and went on a rampage because he wasn't repaid $10 on time. if you cant afford to be without $50 for 6 months, maybe being a loaner is not the thing for you. don't loan what you can't afford / fear to lose. and that is advice to anyone. whether the loanee is trusted or not.



there is still a couple months left till the loan is due to expire. so hold off spreading disgruntled loaners thoughts until the expiry date of loans.if you had a mortgage and missed a payment just one month, or was a few days late in payment. would you want to have your house taken away instantly and imprisoned for fraud? of course not,so chill out on accusing someone before expiry dates. put facts into context. and do the maths. that loaner complaining on the forums only put in 2BTC of the 30BTC. other big players and more experienced loaners know now to shout and accuse instantly. so dont take noob loaners aggressions to the reality of life as reasons to then cause chinese whispers, accusing people of scamming.wait till April before accusing people.and to user #636 who done a loan for about $50 and went on a rampage because he wasn't repaid $10 on time. if you cant afford to be without $50 for 6 months, maybe being a loaner is not the thing for you. don't loan what you can't afford / fear to lose. and that is advice to anyone. whether the loanee is trusted or not. I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.

Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at

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LegendaryActivity: 1456Merit: 1025In Cryptocoins I Trust Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 04:57:03 AM #17 Quote from: franky1 on February 19, 2013, 04:03:50 AM Quote from: CoinHoarder on February 19, 2013, 02:23:33 AM



Laseek defaulted on a 30 BTC loan just a couple days ago:



https://btcjam.com/listings/747

http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,1205.0.html

I wouldnt hand over pre order monies without extensive proof of a prototype.Laseek defaulted on a 30 BTC loan just a couple days ago:

there is still a couple months left till the loan is due to expire. so hold off spreading disgruntled loaners thoughts until the expiry date of loans.



if you had a mortgage and missed a payment just one month, or was a few days late in payment. would you want to have your house taken away instantly and imprisoned for fraud? of course not,

so chill out on accusing someone before expiry dates. put facts into context. and do the maths. that loaner complaining on the forums only put in 2BTC of the 30BTC. other big players and more experienced loaners know now to shout and accuse instantly. so dont take noob loaners aggressions to the reality of life as reasons to then cause chinese whispers, accusing people of scamming.



wait till April before accusing people.



and to user #636 who done a loan for about $50 and went on a rampage because he wasn't repaid $10 on time. if you cant afford to be without $50 for 6 months, maybe being a loaner is not the thing for you. don't loan what you can't afford / fear to lose. and that is advice to anyone. whether the loanee is trusted or not.

there is still a couple months left till the loan is due to expire. so hold off spreading disgruntled loaners thoughts until the expiry date of loans.if you had a mortgage and missed a payment just one month, or was a few days late in payment. would you want to have your house taken away instantly and imprisoned for fraud? of course not,so chill out on accusing someone before expiry dates. put facts into context. and do the maths. that loaner complaining on the forums only put in 2BTC of the 30BTC. other big players and more experienced loaners know now to shout and accuse instantly. so dont take noob loaners aggressions to the reality of life as reasons to then cause chinese whispers, accusing people of scamming.wait till April before accusing people.and to user #636 who done a loan for about $50 and went on a rampage because he wasn't repaid $10 on time. if you cant afford to be without $50 for 6 months, maybe being a loaner is not the thing for you. don't loan what you can't afford / fear to lose. and that is advice to anyone. whether the loanee is trusted or not.

Still, people should be aware of that situation if he is going to be collecting pre-order $$. Maybe he sees he will be marked as a scammer because of the BTCJam loan and decided to run a huge litecoin FPGA scam on his way out the door... you can never be too careful. I know you're his buddy over at BTC-E and you want to defend him, but I wasn't accusing him of being a scammer. It is however a fact he missed a payment on that loan, you can't deny that. I, as a potential investor in litecoin FPGAs, would like to know all sorts of facts about someone collecting pre-order money when deciding to invest. So I thought I'd share it for those who didn't know. Sorry if I offended you. Still, people should be aware of that situation if he is going to be collecting pre-order $$. Maybe he sees he will be marked as a scammer because of the BTCJam loan and decided to run a huge litecoin FPGA scam on his way out the door... you can never be too careful. I know you're his buddy over at BTC-E and you want to defend him, but I wasn't accusing him of being a scammer. It is however a fact he missed a payment on that loan, you can't deny that. I, as a potential investor in litecoin FPGAs, would like to know all sorts of facts about someone collecting pre-order money when deciding to invest. So I thought I'd share it for those who didn't know. Sorry if I offended you.

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Hero MemberActivity: 742Merit: 500Its as easy as 0, 1, 1, 2, 3 Re: FPGAs coming soon for scrypt-based coins? February 19, 2013, 05:06:58 AM #18 Contributing by answering questions about implementation of certain pieces of code =\= selling fpgas. laSeek is assisting with answering questions, with his own time and to date has asked nothing in return. You guys are taking his involvment completely wrong. Oh, and we are not going to be offering preorders. That is why there is no firm date, we will fund the production without preorders. BTC 1JASiNZxmAN1WBS4dmGEDoPpzN3GV7dnjX DVC 1CxxZzqcy7YEVXfCn5KvgRxjeWvPpniK3 Earn Devcoins Devtome.com