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LegendaryActivity: 2221Merit: 1250 Re: Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet April 26, 2014, 10:14:58 PM #1201 Quote from: dnaleor on April 26, 2014, 09:27:47 PM Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 26, 2014, 09:21:49 PM Quote from: molecular on April 22, 2014, 06:42:55 AM Jesus, gweedo. Come down.



The device is real and awesome (I have one of the developer units). If slush and stick don't post here, there's probably nothing important to say and they and the other people helping them are probably putting their energy into solving the remaining issues, which I prefer.



Have some confidence and patience... The device will not become less useful over time.



But you agree that it is bad practice to annouce a certain deadline (ETA~) and then without much info, prolonging that deadline for months? I think that is the issue here mostly.

But you agree that it is bad practice to annouce a certain deadline (ETA~) and then without much info, prolonging that deadline for months? I think that is the issue here mostly.

I agree that they could communicate a little more, but I understand that they want it to be perfect before releasing...

I agree that they could communicate a little more, but I understand that they want it to be perfect before releasing...

NO ! Freaking NO !



They will not come off this hook easily with anybody saying : "It needs to be perfectly secure , let them make it as good as possible , they don't have to give us details to every step."



This is not the issue and everybody should know this.



The fact that they are absolutely not communicating at all is simply astonishing and should everybody give a severe run around in their head.



These guys want to make a perfectly secure bitcoin hardware wallet. As it is at the moment they have to be very open about firmware, hardware , wallet software, so we the users have a reason to trust them and can feel safe.



But at the moment they are hiding facts from us, facts that are easy to communicate and probably most of us would understand.



Something Like "Sorry, manufacturing of the plastic cases is still iffy and will take some time."



But they are not doing it, they keep it secret and/or oversee this little detail.



This IS Important. I cannot trust them if they are operating like this. I simply cannot fathom it.



What if they find a "little" weakness in the trezor, that is small and probably not that exploitable but they possibly have to recall them. And they don't because it would cost money and time. And then somebody finds a way and BTC get lost ...



They are not open about anything with us and do not care about keeping us updated.



Most people say this is nitpicking and it probably is but this IS an Issue.



Sorry guys , you blew it , i cannot trust this device.



NO ! Freaking NO !They will not come off this hook easily with anybody saying : "It needs to be perfectly secure , let them make it as good as possible , they don't have to give us details to every step."This is not the issue and everybody should know this.The fact that they are absolutely not communicating at all is simply astonishing and should everybody give a severe run around in their head.These guys want to make a perfectly secure bitcoin hardware wallet. As it is at the moment they have to be very open about firmware, hardware , wallet software, so we the users have a reason to trust them and can feel safe.But at the moment they are hiding facts from us, facts that are easy to communicate and probably most of us would understand.Something Like "Sorry, manufacturing of the plastic cases is still iffy and will take some time."But they are not doing it, they keep it secret and/or oversee this little detail.This IS Important. I cannot trust them if they are operating like this. I simply cannot fathom it.What if they find a "little" weakness in the trezor, that is small and probably not that exploitable but they possibly have to recall them. And they don't because it would cost money and time. And then somebody finds a way and BTC get lost ...They are not open about anything with us and do not care about keeping us updated.Most people say this is nitpicking and it probably is but this IS an Issue.Sorry guys , you blew it , i cannot trust this device. HOWEYCOINS ▮ Excitement and ⭐ ● TWITTER ● FACEBOOK ⭐

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LegendaryActivity: 1134Merit: 1098 Re: Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet April 28, 2014, 01:41:53 AM #1209 Quote from: phantastisch on April 26, 2014, 10:14:58 PM Quote from: dnaleor on April 26, 2014, 09:27:47 PM Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 26, 2014, 09:21:49 PM Quote from: molecular on April 22, 2014, 06:42:55 AM Jesus, gweedo. Come down.



The device is real and awesome (I have one of the developer units). If slush and stick don't post here, there's probably nothing important to say and they and the other people helping them are probably putting their energy into solving the remaining issues, which I prefer.



Have some confidence and patience... The device will not become less useful over time.



But you agree that it is bad practice to annouce a certain deadline (ETA~) and then without much info, prolonging that deadline for months? I think that is the issue here mostly.

But you agree that it is bad practice to annouce a certain deadline (ETA~) and then without much info, prolonging that deadline for months? I think that is the issue here mostly.

I agree that they could communicate a little more, but I understand that they want it to be perfect before releasing...

I agree that they could communicate a little more, but I understand that they want it to be perfect before releasing...

NO ! Freaking NO !



They will not come off this hook easily with anybody saying : "It needs to be perfectly secure , let them make it as good as possible , they don't have to give us details to every step."



This is not the issue and everybody should know this.



The fact that they are absolutely not communicating at all is simply astonishing and should everybody give a severe run around in their head.



These guys want to make a perfectly secure bitcoin hardware wallet. As it is at the moment they have to be very open about firmware, hardware , wallet software, so we the users have a reason to trust them and can feel safe.



But at the moment they are hiding facts from us, facts that are easy to communicate and probably most of us would understand.



Something Like "Sorry, manufacturing of the plastic cases is still iffy and will take some time."



But they are not doing it, they keep it secret and/or oversee this little detail.



This IS Important. I cannot trust them if they are operating like this. I simply cannot fathom it.



What if they find a "little" weakness in the trezor, that is small and probably not that exploitable but they possibly have to recall them. And they don't because it would cost money and time. And then somebody finds a way and BTC get lost ...



They are not open about anything with us and do not care about keeping us updated.



Most people say this is nitpicking and it probably is but this IS an Issue.



Sorry guys , you blew it , i cannot trust this device.





NO ! Freaking NO !They will not come off this hook easily with anybody saying : "It needs to be perfectly secure , let them make it as good as possible , they don't have to give us details to every step."This is not the issue and everybody should know this.The fact that they are absolutely not communicating at all is simply astonishing and should everybody give a severe run around in their head.These guys want to make a perfectly secure bitcoin hardware wallet. As it is at the moment they have to be very open about firmware, hardware , wallet software, so we the users have a reason to trust them and can feel safe.But at the moment they are hiding facts from us, facts that are easy to communicate and probably most of us would understand.Something Like "Sorry, manufacturing of the plastic cases is still iffy and will take some time."But they are not doing it, they keep it secret and/or oversee this little detail.This IS Important. I cannot trust them if they are operating like this. I simply cannot fathom it.What if they find a "little" weakness in the trezor, that is small and probably not that exploitable but they possibly have to recall them. And they don't because it would cost money and time. And then somebody finds a way and BTC get lost ...They are not open about anything with us and do not care about keeping us updated.Most people say this is nitpicking and it probably is but this IS an Issue.Sorry guys , you blew it , i cannot trust this device.

Phantastisch is completely correct here. When you're developing something like this (Trevor) you need to communicate as much as possible and stay transparent - if people are going to be trusting large sums of money with your hardware they need to know that the hardware is completely safe with no risks whatsoever.



I like what Trevor is doing but more communication needs to be given. Phantastisch is completely correct here. When you're developing something like this (Trevor) you need to communicate as much as possible and stay transparent - if people are going to be trusting large sums of money with your hardware they need to know that the hardware is completely safe with no risks whatsoever.I like what Trevor is doing but more communication needs to be given.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 345Merit: 250 Re: Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet April 28, 2014, 07:38:57 AM #1210



//edit: anyway .. just read through BIP44 .. amazing!!!! cant wait to get once into my hands!

Let me quote this once:

Quote Hierarchy proposed in this paper is quite comprehensive. It allows to handle multiple coins, multiple accounts, external and internal chains per account and millions of addresses per chain. So if plastic version is the source of a delay, why not send out the metallic to those that ordered metallic ones. If I recall correctly you offered metallic ones for an extra 2BTC?//edit: anyway .. just read through BIP44 .. amazing!!!! cant wait to get once into my hands!Let me quote this once: