



And we were both there because we missed the first Reason Rally in 2012. I didn't make it to Atlanta Poly Weekend earlier this month because I was at the Reason Rally in Washington, DC, with Sparkle Moose. She's becoming Kind of a Big Thing in her niche of the secular-atheist-rationalist movement, and she was there partly to hand out cards and seek speaking gigs with exhibitors: the American Humanist Association, Secular Students Alliance, the Freethought Society, Ex-Muslims of North America, American Atheists, the Sunday Assemblies, and many more.And we werethere because we missed the first Reason Rally in 2012.





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Thousands of people lined the west end of the Reflecting Pool facing a sound stage at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial — America's most moving national monument, enclosing the stern, kind, sad marble image of our greatest unsung freethinker. Booming into the microphone for nine hours were Bill Nye, Lawrence Krauss, Kelly Carlin (George's daughter), Penn Jillette, James Randi, Annabelle Gurwitch, brave refugees from theocracy in Iran and Bangladesh; music by a John Lennon tribute band, rap by Wu Tang Clan, and many, many others.





I roamed the edges of the crowd — often the most interesting terrain at any big political event, for the same reason that edge ecologies are rich and interesting (Sparkle Moose is a biologist).





I wore my purple Poly Living shirt, from Loving More's Poly Living conferences. The Reason Rally certainly turned out to be the place to show it. All day, people came up to me thrilled to see polyfolks represented. Many shared their stories. I assured one woman that the way to avoid another bad experience as a unicorn is to find the poly community and learn its wisdom in this regard; she had never thought to do that. I referred an older gentlemen, who was worried about his grandkids being raised by a poly household, to Elisabeth's Sheff's work on the subject. I met the organizers of the new Polycamp Northeast coming up in New Hampshire this August. And on and on. By the end of the day I was hoarse.





So I think it's time to unload the Poly and Secularism/Atheism intersectional things that I've been collecting.





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Love Without Limits). Since then, a rather opposite, rationalist/ pro-science wing of the poly movement has grown much faster. When I started Polyamory in the News 11 years ago, our movement was much smaller, and its Pagan, Tantric, and New Age pioneers were a larger part of the whole. (Some of this was surely a founder effect due to Oberon and Morning Glory Zell-Ravenheart and to Deborah Anapol with her seminal). Since then, a rather opposite, rationalist/ pro-science wing of the poly movement has grown much faster.





Which isn't surprising. Freethinkers, evidence-examiners, and iconoclasts in one area of societal assumptions — like religion and woo — are likely to be that way in other areas too.





And thus, according to a survey last year by YouGov, non-religious people are about six times as likely to respect your poly relationship as people who say that religion is very important to them:







Most non-religious Americans condone polyamory, new survey finds

...In the new YouGov poll, 58 percent of adults who consider religion to be “not at all important” say polyamory is morally acceptable. Only 9 percent of people who consider religion very important say the same.













So if you're reading this website, the difference is stark. Rationalists and skeptics are likely to respect your freedom and dignity. Believers are likely to be your enemies, who even if they feel kindly toward you, may feel obligated to use whatever power they can get over you to suppress you and make your life miserable.



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It seems half of us are poly nowadays." ● The prominent atheist blogger JT Eberhart, an organizer and speaker at the 2016 Reason Rally, suggested in 2013 (in a Poly 101 for a concerned newbie) that to find poly advice, "You may also consider turning to the atheist community.





Earlier Eberhard wrote about how and why he's poly, in Polyamory and Insecurity . One bit:







Poly allows me to take away their motivation to lie. If they don’t love me, they know they can say so. If they love me AND someone else, they can say so. Insecurity comes from not knowing or distrusting, and poly allows me to get past both those things.







In 2011 he posted Adventures in Polyamory on first discovering the poly possibility after befriending a woman and her husband.







As two fairly open-minded people, our conversations eventually turned to what we liked in bed. We both were meticulous in our avoidance of diseases, but there were some stark differences between us. I liked giving back rubs. Christina liked having meat hooks pierced through her back and being suspended by wires. I wanted to be in a threesome one day. Christina had lost count of how many she’d been in. She began to call me naive, a charge to which I almost immediately pled guilty....













So when people making movies/ TV shows etc. depict the lives of some misunderstood/ marginalized group that doesn’t get depicted in pop culture very much… what responsibilities do they have? If any?

I saw this movie last night, “Yes, We’re Open”: an indie small-budget comedy (available on DVD and download) about a San Francisco couple beginning to consider non-monogamy when they meet an open-relationship couple who expresses an interest in them....

A lot of why it was frustrating can be summed up in the question I asked the filmmakers in their post-film Q&A: “Given that the template of San Francisco poly culture is that it’s hyper-ethical, hyper-processing, talking everything to death… why did you choose to make the poly couple in this movie so skanky, and not particularly ethical?”

They clearly understood the question, and the context for it.... We don’t [yet] have our “Philadelphia,” our “Brokeback Mountain,” our “Ellen,” our “The Kids Are All Right,” our “Will and Grace,” our “Glee.” And so when a movie like “Yes, We’re Open” comes along... it’s that much more disappointing when the poly people are so skanky, and not particularly ethical.

I don’t want every poly character in every TV show or movie to be a perfect paragon of sensitivity and high-minded ethics. I’m okay with them being flawed and human....

...But given that there are so few poly characters in pop culture, and even fewer who don’t fall into the stereotype of unethical seducers and skanks with no self-control, I think producers of pop culture do have an obligation to not actively perpetuate that stereotype.









● Much more recently, on The Bayesian Conspiracy podcast: What’s Polyamory got to do with Rationalism anyway? Part 1, ● Much more recently, on The Bayesian Conspiracy podcast: Part 2 (June 1 and 8, 2016).









● After the second FtB Con (Freethought Blogs Con) in 2014, Miri Mogilevski posted a two-hour collection of streamed video from it, Skeptics Open Up: Polyamory in the Skeptical Community













The blurb:







People who practice polyamory and other styles of open relationships comprise a group that is rapidly growing in numbers and visibility. What IS polyamory, anyway? Don't we get jealous? How do we manage our schedules? Why is such a large proportion of skeptics and atheists practicing polyamory, and what issues does the community face as it moves forward?









● Kelley Clark (Kelleytastic) wrote a piece titled "Poly and Skepticism" on the now-defunct Modern Poly site that stated key points of the poly-skeptic intersection:







...I look at the world through the lenses of logic and critical thinking and I use scientifically-rigorous methodology to evaluate the world around me. What is the evidence? What are the biases? Does the data necessitate the outcome, or does it simply correlate with the outcome?

...For example, if I’m thinking about vaccinating my children, there’s a lot of information available. What is noise, what is fear-mongering, and what is accurate? Is the literature peer-reviewed? Is the study considered to be scientifically rigorous, meaning it cleanly tested the variables that it set out to test and was transparent about its limitations?

Another area I have given much consideration to is human sexuality. How many of our traditions are that way simply because that is how they have always been? What does that actually mean? How long is “always”? How many are dictated by religious beliefs, cultural norms, or other social mores?

...Where I tend to differ from some people are morals that are derived from religious dogma. I don’t choose to do so simply to be obtuse; it is my responsibility in these cases, as a Skeptic, to investigate the origins of the norm and whether or not it is a helpful or harmful tradition.

Some cultural norms end up being neither helpful nor harmful. Monogamy, for me, is one of these traditions.

In many ways, I credit my success in polyamory to my identity as a Skeptic. It allows me to step back and evaluate situations objectively. Emotion itself is a beautiful thing to experience, but I like the fact that it does not have to define me. I define myself.













By Libby Anne

...Without instructions flowing from religious dogma, atheists are free to simply focus on finding ways to build healthy relationships and on setting a healthy balance between self and others. Given the lack of atheist dogma, this is a very individual thing. Many atheists marry and raise children together, others get divorced, and still others choose not to marry, or form alternative families or engage in polyamory. As an atheist, there’s no set rule for what a family or a relationship is supposed to look like. Instead, it’s up to you.













“Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error.”



–Linus Pauling



One of my favorite books about human cognitive biases is How We Know What Isn’t So: The Fallibility of Human Reason in Everyday Life, by Thomas Gilovich. As the title suggests, it’s essentially a catalog of the various cognitive traps, reasoning errors, and other fallibilities that lead to people to “knowing” things that aren’t true.



The book talks about a lot of reasoning problems that you might expect: confirmation bias, for example, and intuitive problems with randomness (the human brain is so highly optimized for seeking patterns that it’ll find patterns even in random data, and on top of that, random data do not necessarily “look” the way we expect them to, and in particular aren’t fractal in nature; it’s perfectly reasonable to flip a coin a bunch of times and see heads come up five or six times in a row…but I digress).



...And it discusses self-fulfilling prophesies, in the context of the Prisoner’s Dilemma.



...The connection between a hostile Prisoner’s Dilemma strategy and self-fulfilling prophesies was new to me, and naturally, it instantly created a new connection between Prisoner’s Dilemma problems and polyamory in my head.



Meeting [your] lover’s other lover presents a host of opportunity for cooperation or defection. You can reach out to the other person and try to make that person feel welcome; you can be closed up and defensive to that person; you can even be actively hostile to that person. And, of course, your lover’s lover has similar choices....



...So are we left, then, with the grim conclusion that the only rational way to meet a lover’s new lover is to be defensive, even knowing that this defensiveness is likely to trigger the very thing we believe we’re defending against?



Thankfully, no....



...When it comes to human interactions, where information is not perfect, the rule of withholding cooperation only to the extent that the other person does quickly falls by the wayside. In situations where two [game-theory] programs are given occasional flawed information, a better strategy than Tit for Tat emerges: Tit for Two Tats. Tit for Two Tats will let the first perceived defection slide, and begin withholding cooperation only if it sees the other side defect twice in a row. Hence the Linus Pauling quote “Do unto others 20% better than you would expect them to do unto you, to correct for subjective error.”...





● Joreth Innkeeper, an outspoken atheist and long-term poly activist (and now a director of Atlanta Poly Weekend/ Relationship Equality Foundation), hosts large sections on atheism and polyamory on her website and sells T-shirts: Atheist Tees and Poly Tees . She does a conference presentation on the intersection between polyamory and skepticism (including running your love life by the scientific method — it's more intuitive that you think) and says she will get it up on the web this summer.She recently appeared on the Secular Sexuality Podcast of author and speaker Dr. Darrel Ray. The episode is Poly Activist & Paradigm Shift (June 5, 2016). Her interview starts at 26:25.● This is getting long enough. I'll close with a plug for Christopher Bingham and the Bone Poets Orchestra (formerly Gaia Consort), creator of beloved poly songs — Yes! Goodnight — and atheist anthems: Evolve Do you know of other things that belong here? Put them in the comments.

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