Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-02 13:33:34 #1



I like data and I like StarCraft and there is a new website called Gamoloco which allows me to gather data for StarCraft stream numbers. My data are only from January 2015 to July 2015 and the last month has wrong numbers because Twitch merger different games. All numbers are in hours watched.



I decided to pick 9 channels : BasetradeTV, Wintergaming, GSL, O'Gaming, ESL_sc2, TaKeTV, sc2proleague, sc2starleague and WCS.







Stats for 9 month for all channels.



There are three types of channel :

-Channel with content content everyday like BasetradeTV, TaKe, O'Gaming, Winter.

-Channel with content 2/3 times a week like GSL, SC2straleague and SC2proleague

-Channel with content every month likle ESLtv_sc2 or WCS.



First one are doing fine, they don't have a big amount of average viewers, always less than 3.5k viewers but they work everyday.

Second type have often 8 to 12k average viewers and they have a good production crew, they have studios, a good production crew.

Last one are different, they are only doing events in venue or in studio, they have big average viewers.





January





January numbers



Really good month for BasetradeTV, they casted every WCS qualifiers and the wcs stream was not casting anything so people were watching them. O'Gaming and TakeTV are doing decent too, casting every event. GSL is doing fine, a lot of broadcasting days because of the new season, same thing for SSL. ProLeague is popular too. Winter is really popular or has bots, I don't want to enter this debate.





February





February numbers

BasetradeTV views are cut by half, no famous/important qualifiers at this time, they still pull great views, 400 000 hours watched. Looks like February is a slow month for everyone, except for the official wcs channel.





March





March numbers

BasetradeTV, Winter, Take, sc2proleague and sc2starleague are getting slowly higher/lower, March is not a slow month though. GSL, O'Gaming and ESL are doing great, GSL final and IEM katowice are being played in March. Furthermore, ESL Katowice numbers are really great, IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM. O'Gaming is doing well, casting everyday for at least 5 hours per day and 2-4 hours of a pro player laddering.





April





April numbers



Winter views are plumeting, people are saying that he's viewbotting and it hurts his views a lot. BasetradeTV, TaKeTV, sc2proleague and sc2strealeague are still doing fine. GSL views are decreasing a bit, Code A is not hyped that much. There is no IEM event so views are ridiculous. WCS finals are being played during 3 days in France so that's the reason of whyy wcs and O'Gaming channel are doing well.





May





May numbers

Winter views are still bad, he lost ~60% of his viewers, GSL is doing a decent motnh, the same as April. TaKeTV, sc2proealgue, starleague and WCS are doing good numbers, they are all increasing even though it's not by a lot. The only channel growing a lot is O'Gaming, more than 900 000 views this month and the channel is ranked 1st this month.





June





June numbers



BasetradeTV had a bad month in May but in June they are doing well, the same views as February and March. Winter views are increasing a bit, the drama seems gone. WCS views are really good because of the RO16/8/4/2 being played. O'Gaming, TakeTV, sc2starleague, sc2proleague and GOM are not doing bad but not doing very well too. They still offer quality content on a regular basis.





July





July numbers



BasetradeTV are doing well, they could not stream a lot this month because of the Blizzard submit and traveling to Germany to cast HSC. Winter views are almost back to February. sc2tarleague and sc2proleague numbers are increasing slowly buut surely. GSL numbers are still decent. WCS views are meh because it's only WCS Challenger. ESLTV_sc2 are decent, IEM Shenzhen was in a bad timzeone for the european and american viewers. O'Gaming is still growing. TaKeTV numbers are explosing because of HSC and the cast being in English.





Views since January





Views since January



StarCraft is doing well or at least tournaments are doing well. StarCraft is not a dead game and with LotV coming soon we can hope for better numbers.





Hi,I like data and I like StarCraft and there is a new website called Gamoloco which allows me to gather data for StarCraft stream numbers. My data are only from January 2015 to July 2015 and the last month has wrong numbers because Twitch merger different games. All numbers are in hours watched.I decided to pick 9 channels : BasetradeTV, Wintergaming, GSL, O'Gaming, ESL_sc2, TaKeTV, sc2proleague, sc2starleague and WCS.There are three types of channel :-Channel with content content everyday like BasetradeTV, TaKe, O'Gaming, Winter.-Channel with content 2/3 times a week like GSL, SC2straleague and SC2proleague-Channel with content every month likle ESLtv_sc2 or WCS.First one are doing fine, they don't have a big amount of average viewers, always less than 3.5k viewers but they work everyday.Second type have often 8 to 12k average viewers and they have a good production crew, they have studios, a good production crew.Last one are different, they are only doing events in venue or in studio, they have big average viewers.Really good month for BasetradeTV, they casted every WCS qualifiers and the wcs stream was not casting anything so people were watching them. O'Gaming and TakeTV are doing decent too, casting every event. GSL is doing fine, a lot of broadcasting days because of the new season, same thing for SSL. ProLeague is popular too. Winter is really popular or has bots, I don't want to enter this debate.BasetradeTV views are cut by half, no famous/important qualifiers at this time, they still pull great views, 400 000 hours watched. Looks like February is a slow month for everyone, except for the official wcs channel.BasetradeTV, Winter, Take, sc2proleague and sc2starleague are getting slowly higher/lower, March is not a slow month though. GSL, O'Gaming and ESL are doing great, GSL final and IEM katowice are being played in March. Furthermore, ESL Katowice numbers are really great, IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM. O'Gaming is doing well, casting everyday for at least 5 hours per day and 2-4 hours of a pro player laddering.Winter views are plumeting, people are saying that he's viewbotting and it hurts his views a lot. BasetradeTV, TaKeTV, sc2proleague and sc2strealeague are still doing fine. GSL views are decreasing a bit, Code A is not hyped that much. There is no IEM event so views are ridiculous. WCS finals are being played during 3 days in France so that's the reason of whyy wcs and O'Gaming channel are doing well.Winter views are still bad, he lost ~60% of his viewers, GSL is doing a decent motnh, the same as April. TaKeTV, sc2proealgue, starleague and WCS are doing good numbers, they are all increasing even though it's not by a lot. The only channel growing a lot is O'Gaming, more than 900 000 views this month and the channel is ranked 1st this month.BasetradeTV had a bad month in May but in June they are doing well, the same views as February and March. Winter views are increasing a bit, the drama seems gone. WCS views are really good because of the RO16/8/4/2 being played. O'Gaming, TakeTV, sc2starleague, sc2proleague and GOM are not doing bad but not doing very well too. They still offer quality content on a regular basis.BasetradeTV are doing well, they could not stream a lot this month because of the Blizzard submit and traveling to Germany to cast HSC. Winter views are almost back to February. sc2tarleague and sc2proleague numbers are increasing slowly buut surely. GSL numbers are still decent. WCS views are meh because it's only WCS Challenger. ESLTV_sc2 are decent, IEM Shenzhen was in a bad timzeone for the european and american viewers. O'Gaming is still growing. TaKeTV numbers are explosing because of HSC and the cast being in English.StarCraft is doing well or at least tournaments are doing well. StarCraft is not a dead game and with LotV coming soon we can hope for better numbers. https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport

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FO-nTTaX Profile Blog Joined January 2013 Johto 3752 Posts #3 On August 02 2015 21:57 lichter wrote:

These graphs are too French for me

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Torte de Lini Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Germany 30668 Posts #4 Can you do a comparison of 2014 and 2013 to that of 2015? https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

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Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts #6 On August 02 2015 23:03 Torte de Lini wrote:

Can you do a comparison of 2014 and 2013 to that of 2015?

It's doable but it won't be really interesting because some channel were not created in 2013.

It's doable but it won't be really interesting because some channel were not created in 2013. On August 02 2015 23:55 Boucot wrote:

Aren't you ashamed to steal Conti's job ?

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messioso Profile Joined June 2011 Denmark 635 Posts #7 IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM.



Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch. Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch. Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.

Dickbutt Profile Joined May 2015 Korea (North) 129 Posts #8 Dude, these stats are all fucked up with Winter included. Past stats posted on TL didn't include him and provided stats if he were to be included just in case it turned out 99% of the community was wrong and he's actually legit.



I'm not trying to hate on Winter, I'm saying the final stats aren't very reliable with such shady numbers being put in. 스타일, 스타트, 스베누!

Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-02 15:56:36 #9 On August 03 2015 00:44 messioso wrote:

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IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM.



Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch. Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch.

Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/)



Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/) On August 03 2015 00:48 Dickbutt wrote:

Dude, these stats are all fucked up with Winter included. Past stats posted on TL didn't include him and provided stats if he were to be included just in case it turned out 99% of the community was wrong and he's actually legit.



I'm not trying to hate on Winter, I'm saying the final stats aren't very reliable with such shady numbers being put in.

I understand that people don't want to see Winter on these kind of reports but I was just trying to pick a streamer with a lot of viewers. He's also the only consistent streamer with more than 1k average viewer since 7 months. If you don't like Winter you should not read everything about him on this thread, I don't mind. I understand that people don't want to see Winter on these kind of reports but I was just trying to pick a streamer with a lot of viewers. He's also the only consistent streamer with more than 1k average viewer since 7 months. If you don't like Winter you should not read everything about him on this thread, I don't mind. https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport

messioso Profile Joined June 2011 Denmark 635 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-02 16:17:02 #10 On August 03 2015 00:48 Aeromi wrote:

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On August 03 2015 00:44 messioso wrote:

IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM.



Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch. Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch.

Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/) Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/)



So we educated some new people to our game and they might watch again? You're saying that some of the viewers were worthless, when they are not. So we educated some new people to our game and they might watch again? You're saying that some of the viewers were worthless, when they are not. Former ESL League Operations. I ran IEM/WCS for like 3 years or something. I did map vetos on a tablet. That guy.

Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts #11 On August 03 2015 01:16 messioso wrote:

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On August 03 2015 00:48 Aeromi wrote:

On August 03 2015 00:44 messioso wrote:

IEM Katowice final peaked at more than 100k viewers thanks to IEM CS:GO being late and LoL fans who wanted a final with a popular team TSM.



Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch. Why speculate? Why not just be happy that a tonne of people tuned in to watch.

Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/) Oh I'm happy about it but you can't deny that the CS:GO final was late, the SC2 final was a little bit delayed and LoL viewers were waiting for the LoL final to start. There are (hilarious) threads of people on /r/leagueoflegends not knowing SC2 at all and they did not understand why a game between Trap vs Zest was not over when Trap sniped a nexus. (https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/2z5aa1/3012361230_iem_lol_finals_will_start_after_sc2/)



So we educated some new people to our game and they might watch again? You're saying that some of the viewers were worthless, when they are not. So we educated some new people to our game and they might watch again? You're saying that some of the viewers were worthless, when they are not.

I'm not saying that some are worth and some are worthless. IEM Katowice is a great tournament, a lot of hype, a big venue and amazing players. You can't deny that the LoL final was delayed because of CS:GO/SC2. I love the fact that IEM hosted other channels to the SC2 one. I''m sure with this decision some people decided to try to play and/or SC2.

It's just that numbers of viewers were slighty bigger because of this decision. I'm pretty sure IEM Katowice would have had at least 70k viewers or more without it which is really great. I'm not saying that some are worth and some are worthless. IEM Katowice is a great tournament, a lot of hype, a big venue and amazing players. You can't deny that the LoL final was delayed because of CS:GO/SC2. I love the fact that IEM hosted other channels to the SC2 one. I''m sure with this decision some people decided to try to play and/or SC2.It's just that numbers of viewers werebigger because of this decision. I'm pretty sure IEM Katowice would have had at least 70k viewers or more without it which is really great. https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport

KrazyTrumpet Profile Joined April 2010 United States 2520 Posts #12 Basetrade and ogaming doing work, is what I got out of this. Pretty consistent numbers from them www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2

Hadronsbecrazy Profile Joined September 2013 United Kingdom 549 Posts #13 Proleague and starleague getting lower numbers than wintersc. thats depressing No need Build Orders, Only Micro,Favourite Players: Maru, Zest, soOjwa , CJherO

iTzSnypah Profile Blog Joined February 2011 United States 1738 Posts #14 On August 03 2015 04:26 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:

Proleague and starleague getting lower numbers than wintersc. thats depressing

Well you can get source streams of Proleague and Starleague on Azubu so that is skewing the numbers slightly (I have only seen viewer numbers around 700-900 there). Well you can get source streams of Proleague and Starleague on Azubu so that is skewing the numbers slightly (I have only seen viewer numbers around 700-900 there). Team Liquid needs more Terrans.

fluidrone Profile Blog Joined January 2015 France 1478 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-02 23:17:41 #15 While I loath win ter, noone can deny his consistency in streaming. Viewboting or not, many kids watch because he treats it as a serious job (streams "consistently on schedule") and therefore also "occupies the place".

ps: I mostly loath myself for not convincing my kid to watch something else/better.



On topic: I like numbers too <3, thank you for sharing (sc2 definetly not "ded game")!

Edit: typo "not enough rights"

JimmyJRaynor Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Canada 14071 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-03 07:15:54 #16 countless media companies get caught fudging viewer/subscriber/reader numbers .

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Twitch.tv is not doing that. They are doing something much more subtle which will never get caught. they are just turning a semi-blind eye to viewboting which creates fake viewers.



i don't trust twitch.tv's #s because they're just another media empire and its in their best interest to have #s as big as possible.



its hilarious when Winter claims he has more viewers watching him play the WoL campaign than a veteran Incontrol with a massive history in Brood War and SC2 playing the game.



twitch.tv is letting viewbotting slide because it makes their #s look bigger than they really are.

any viewer #s coming out of twitch.tv can not be trusted...period..end of story. Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"

Katocorp Profile Joined February 2015 United States 5 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-03 07:15:22 #17 Some important things to remember when looking at this data. I am going to talk about Korean Leagues as those are the only streams that I watch consistently.



GSL: Not really surprised that March was a big month for GSL. It was one of the most hyped Code S in a long time. The final between PartinG and Life was not only super hyped but it delivered. GSL is know between Korean Leagues to rebroadcast on a consistent basis. The day of the final, it was rebroadcasted at least 3 times that day alone. While some may argue that rebroadcasts don't pull a lot of viewers it allows fans and new fans to watch GSL on their time and not early in the morning. Sadly, rebroadcasts have been decreasing at GSL as of recently. While I love the GSL, I feel that the reduced number of rebroadcasts will put the league in obscurity for fans that left SC and new fans. Numbers will drop for GSL because reduction in rebroadcasts.



SSL and SPL: Twitch numbers aren't a real representation of both theses leagues because you can stream them on Azubu. Fans that don't want to sub for Source quality or chat on Twitch just go to Azubu to watch in source and chat for free. Also, I only remember once that SSL rebroadcasted the Season 2 finals on twitch. Other than that they only pull views on the live feed.



These numbers like many people are saying aren't a end all be all. It shows a good trend and that is what you should take away from this.



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FFW_Rude Profile Blog Joined November 2010 France 10169 Posts Last Edited: 2015-08-03 08:16:09 #19 Hey aeromi. Did you count Youtube and azubu ? Or just the english stream for Korean leagues ?



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lichter Profile Blog Joined September 2010 1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL 22233 Posts #20 some people don't read. this is hours watched not average or peak viewers. streamers who stream 24/7 naturally will have big numbers compared to organization streams that only go live when there's an event. Administrator YOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS

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