A few months ago, Charlie Rose was invited to the Apple campus to talk with executives about various topics including secrecy, the Apple culture, future projects, and even a couple of rumors. Rose met with Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, and most interestingly, Jony Ive to discuss where Apple was and where it was headed in 2016 and beyond.

Rose has now posted a lengthy 35-minute interview with Ive where he discusses his role in the company as well as his relationship with Steve Jobs. Ive also discusses the ever-interesting debate of business versus creativity.

We’ve posted the interview below: