A visibly emotional Sen. Joe Biden and Chris Matthews discuss the ramifications of Gen. Petraeus's surprisingly unvarnished answer that he couldn't say that our presence in Iraq was making us any safer.

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MATTHEWS: But if the commander over there can't justify the deaths of these soldiers, because it serves a national purpose and makes us safer then what the hell are we doing there? [..]

BIDEN: ...This is...this is heartwrenching. They refer to every one of those bodies as a fallen angel. They put six fallen angels on that aircraft. And you know, Chris, um...what do you say? Why did they fall? What do you say? What do you say to their parents? What do you say to those, those troops? And you know what? They're incredible, Chris. I'm not one of these guys that gets on every time and talks about "I love the military" and the rest. But let me tell you something, Chris: I've been over there 8 times. These kids are brave. They get in these vehicles every damn day. They ride out on those roads, some of them having been hit already, knowing that their chance to get blown away is overwhelming and they do it every day.