bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts Last Edited: 2016-03-18 10:27:09 #1

The concept behind all the builds is simple, we add a second barracks for a fast stimpack to hit a powerful timing early-mid game.

Basically these are optimized variations of



Hi everyone, since someone of you asked for it, i'm gonna share with you 3 aggressive legacy of the void builds for TvZ and TvP.The concept behind all the builds is simple, we add a second barracks for a fast stimpack to hit a powerful timing early-mid game.Basically these are optimized variations of this build. TvZ - Double Medivac drop +1 timing





The attack will hit at 5.20~ with 2 medivacs and 16 marines with stimpack and +1 weapon upgrade.(tested on dusk towers)



Build Order



Standard reaper opener

@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production

@400 Minerals Command Center

Supply Depot

Second Rax

Second Gas

@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab on 2nd rax, Factory and Eng Bay

@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production

@100% Eng Bay, +1 Weapon

@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory

@100% Starport, Double medivac



Strategy



Not much to say here, just drop and trade the best you can. The +1 attack will make it easy to trade efficiently vs any units the opponent has except banelings, try to avoid them.



The attack will hit at 5.20~ with 2 medivacs and 16 marines with stimpack and +1 weapon upgrade.(tested on dusk towers)Standard reaper opener@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production@400 Minerals Command CenterSupply DepotSecond RaxSecond Gas@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab on 2nd rax, Factory and Eng Bay@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production@100% Eng Bay, +1 Weapon@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory@100% Starport, Double medivacNot much to say here, just drop and trade the best you can. The +1 attack will make it easy to trade efficiently vs any units the opponent has except banelings, try to avoid them. TvP - Widow mine drop into Double Medivac drop timing





The widow mine drop will hit at 5.10~ with 1 medivacs and 2 widowmine.

The followup drop will hit at 5.30~ with 2 medivacs and 16 marines with stimpack.(tested on dusk towers)



Build Order



Standard reaper opener

@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production

@400 Minerals Command Center

Supply Depot

Second Rax

@100 gas Factory

Second Gas

@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab

@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production

@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory

@100% Reactor, 2 widow mines

@100% Starport, Medivac

@100% Medivac, Switch Starport with Factory, Double Medivac



Strategy



In my opinion, it's best to drop widow mines onto one base to force his units out of position, then followup drop in the other base. i.e. WM drop in the natural->force units out of position->drop in the main



The widow mine drop will hit at 5.10~ with 1 medivacs and 2 widowmine.The followup drop will hit at 5.30~ with 2 medivacs and 16 marines with stimpack.(tested on dusk towers)Standard reaper opener@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production@400 Minerals Command CenterSupply DepotSecond Rax@100 gas FactorySecond Gas@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory@100% Reactor, 2 widow mines@100% Starport, Medivac@100% Medivac, Switch Starport with Factory, Double MedivacIn my opinion, it's best to drop widow mines onto one base to force his units out of position, then followup drop in the other base. i.e. WM drop in the natural->force units out of position->drop in the main TvP - Widow mine drop into Double liberator timing push





The widow mine drop will hit at 5.10~ with 1 medivacs and 2 widowmine.

The followup push will hit at 5.45~ with 1 medivac 2 liberators and 14~16~ marines with stimpack.(tested on dusk towers)



Build Order



Standard reaper opener

@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production

@400 Minerals Command Center

Supply Depot

Second Rax

Second Gas

@100 gas Factory

@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab

@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production

@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory

@100% Reactor, 2 widow mines, Third Gas

@100% Starport, Medivac

@100% Medivac, Switch Starport with Factory, Double Liberator

@50% Liberators, Start to march across the map with the marines you have



Strategy



You can either widow mine drop and then do a frontal push OR siege the main and natural mineral lines with liberators and attack the third with marines + medivac. It's important to not lose the medivac, or your marines won't have any healing in your folloup attack, so try to scout for phoenix play, and don't commit with the widowmine drop, but instead push the front.



General tips



All the builds listed are quite vulnerable to counter attacks, It's important to know if they're taking a third base or not.



Against protoss, if they're going 2 base all in, you can widow mine drop and defend with the followup.



The builds are tight, so against protoss oracle play, try to defend with marines and avoid making ebay + turrets until you're about move out.



Transition



Against Protoss



@400 minerals Command Center

+2 refineries at natural

+2 eng bays start double upgrades

+3 barracks

Reactor or Tech lab on factory for widow mines/tanks

After fully saturating the third base, add +3 more additional Barracks and another Starport ( Tech Lab ) + fusion core and start liberator range upgrade. Upon taking the 4th base you can add another Starport.



Against Zerg



@400 minerals Command Center

+2 refineries at natural

Start Combat shield and + 1 armor (later add 1 eng bay + armory for double upgrades)

+3 barracks

Reactor or Tech lab on factory for widow mines/tanks

After fully saturating the third base, add +3 more additional Barracks and build another Factory/Starport for more tanks/thors or liberators. Upon taking the 4th base you can add another Factory/Starport.



Feel free to ask any question, optimizations/tips are welcome!



The last build with the double liberator is the one Maru used in proleague against Blaze.



The widow mine drop will hit at 5.10~ with 1 medivacs and 2 widowmine.The followup push will hit at 5.45~ with 1 medivac 2 liberators and 14~16~ marines with stimpack.(tested on dusk towers)Standard reaper opener@100% Reaper, Reactor on Rax and begin marine production@400 Minerals Command CenterSupply DepotSecond RaxSecond Gas@100 gas Factory@100% Second Rax, Tech Lab@100% Tech Lab, Stimpack and begin marine production@100% Factory, Starport and Reactor on Factory@100% Reactor, 2 widow mines, Third Gas@100% Starport, Medivac@100% Medivac, Switch Starport with Factory, Double Liberator@50% Liberators, Start to march across the map with the marines you haveYou can either widow mine drop and then do a frontal push OR siege the main and natural mineral lines with liberators and attack the third with marines + medivac. It's important to not lose the medivac, or your marines won't have any healing in your folloup attack, so try to scout for phoenix play, and don't commit with the widowmine drop, but instead push the front.@400 minerals Command Center+2 refineries at natural+2 eng bays start double upgrades+3 barracksReactor or Tech lab on factory for widow mines/tanksAfter fully saturating the third base, add +3 more additional Barracks and another Starport ( Tech Lab ) + fusion core and start liberator range upgrade. Upon taking the 4th base you can add another Starport.@400 minerals Command Center+2 refineries at naturalStart Combat shield and + 1 armor (later add 1 eng bay + armory for double upgrades)+3 barracksReactor or Tech lab on factory for widow mines/tanksAfter fully saturating the third base, add +3 more additional Barracks and build another Factory/Starport for more tanks/thors or liberators. Upon taking the 4th base you can add another Factory/Starport.Feel free to ask any question, optimizations/tips are welcome!The last build with the double liberator is the one Maru used in proleague against Blaze.



I just grabbed Maru's build, changed the gas timings and got double medivac instead of double liberator, given i saw polt doing a similar build in the past. Precisely against Puck in the WCS NA Qualifiers.



I just grabbed Maru's build, changed the gas timings and got double medivac instead of double liberator, given i saw polt doing abuild in the past. Precisely against Puck in the WCS NA Qualifiers.

wabbajack_sc2 Profile Joined October 2015 7 Posts #2 Cool beans man, Imma play around with these tonight.

Danglars Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 11608 Posts #3 Got any replays of this working/not working/had to transition out? Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!

zouril Profile Joined May 2011 France 3 Posts #4 link the replay plz

Juice! Profile Joined January 2011 Belgium 288 Posts #5 any replays or vids would be awesome but it's pretty epic already thank you !! Second place is just a fancy term for loser

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts #6 Added replay/videos.

Sewi Profile Blog Joined November 2006 Germany 1696 Posts #7 Thanks for these! I tried the TvP mine drop and it worked. I also tried the mine drop against a zerg who went early mutas into 3rd base with one mine at the main and one at the natural while my marines attack the third, worked as well "Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016

QzYSc2 Profile Joined June 2012 Netherlands 273 Posts Last Edited: 2016-02-21 07:48:41 #8 in tvz, if you go cc first into rax gas rax gas you can have exact same units (like 18 marines, 2 medivacs) at 5:40 but with +1/+1 and stim and combat shield.

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts Last Edited: 2016-02-21 12:50:11 #9 On February 21 2016 16:43 QzYSc2 wrote:

in tvz, if you go cc first into rax gas rax gas you can have exact same units (like 18 marines, 2 medivacs) at 5:40 but with +1/+1 and stim and combat shield.

Can you post a replay?

btw 5.30 is when you reach opponent's base not when medivacs are out Can you post a replay?btw 5.30 is when you reach opponent's base not when medivacs are out

QzYSc2 Profile Joined June 2012 Netherlands 273 Posts #10 http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/6489463

this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.

I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure. this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure.

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts Last Edited: 2016-02-21 18:14:02 #11 On February 21 2016 23:02 QzYSc2 wrote:

http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/6489463

this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.

I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure. this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure.

Sweet, thanks! It doesn't include a reaper for scouting and hits a little bit later but also include CS and +1+1, i like it.

I'm gonna play and experiment variations of it tonight :p



Edit: Tried to recreate the build with rax expand instead of CC 1st and it works as well, hit at 5.40-5.45 with 2 medivacs 16marines with stim, CS and +1+1. The build is very good, the only thing is no reaper since you have to go techlab first



Also 5.30 is the timing when zerg usually saturates his third base, in fact if you look at your replay, with a 5.30 timing you would've done a lot more damage since he only had a few lings. 15-20 seconds later he had 10 roaches..



And with the reaper i like to scout for the overlord positioning so i can avoid them and sneak the drop in, less chances to be scouted.

But yeah, good stuff



Edit 2: I realized that my +1 build uses a late second gas, tried to get it right away and got a faster timing, 5.20 instead of 5.30. Updated the BO Sweet, thanks! It doesn't include a reaper for scouting and hits a little bit later but also include CS and +1+1, i like it.I'm gonna play and experiment variations of it tonight :pEdit: Tried to recreate the build with rax expand instead of CC 1st and it works as well, hit at 5.40-5.45 with 2 medivacs 16marines with stim, CS and +1+1. The build is very good, the only thing is no reaper since you have to go techlab firstAlso 5.30 is the timing when zerg usually saturates his third base, in fact if you look at your replay, with a 5.30 timing you would've done a lot more damage since he only had a few lings. 15-20 seconds later he had 10 roaches..And with the reaper i like to scout for the overlord positioning so i can avoid them and sneak the drop in, less chances to be scouted.But yeah, good stuffEdit 2: I realized that my +1 build uses a late second gas, tried to get it right away and got a faster timing, 5.20 instead of 5.30. Updated the BO

klup Profile Joined May 2013 France 600 Posts #12 On February 21 2016 23:02 QzYSc2 wrote:

http://www.ggtracker.com/matches/6489463

this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.

I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure. this was my latest tvz against rank 80 gm. If i didnt go full potato defending his speedlings and forget the depot after the engineering bay, i probably could've started my 3rd and armory (and thus +2/+2) a bit faster.I can post more replays if you want, like against early roach ravager pressure.



could you give "cleaner" replay of the build. The build is really sharp macro wise and would like to practice it optimally, Thanks ! could you give "cleaner" replay of the build. The build is really sharp macro wise and would like to practice it optimally, Thanks !

blaze13 Profile Joined February 2014 United States 24 Posts #13



Reaper fe marine

2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)

2:10 second refinery

2:50 factory

3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)

3:38 reactor on factory



Drop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stim



Here is the replay Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:Reaper fe marine2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)2:10 second refinery2:50 factory3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)3:38 reactor on factoryDrop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stimHere is the replay http://ggtracker.com/matches/6493950

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts #14 On February 23 2016 22:54 blaze13 wrote:

Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:



Reaper fe marine

2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)

2:10 second refinery

2:50 factory

3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)

3:38 reactor on factory



Drop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stim



Here is the replay Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:Reaper fe marine2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)2:10 second refinery2:50 factory3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)3:38 reactor on factoryDrop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stimHere is the replay http://ggtracker.com/matches/6493950

I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper. I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper.

blaze13 Profile Joined February 2014 United States 24 Posts #15 On February 23 2016 23:41 bbqs wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 23 2016 22:54 blaze13 wrote:

Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:



Reaper fe marine

2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)

2:10 second refinery

2:50 factory

3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)

3:38 reactor on factory



Drop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stim



Here is the replay Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:Reaper fe marine2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)2:10 second refinery2:50 factory3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)3:38 reactor on factoryDrop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stimHere is the replay http://ggtracker.com/matches/6493950

I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper. I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper.





Umm yea, that's why I posted this in your thread because I was using your build. In the replay I downloaded your medivacs didn't leave your base until 5:20 and someone was asking for a cleaner replay so I posted one. I also posted the times I got everything so they could benchmark more easily. Umm yea, that's why I posted this in your thread because I was using your build. In the replay I downloaded your medivacs didn't leave your base until 5:20 and someone was asking for a cleaner replay so I posted one. I also posted the times I got everything so they could benchmark more easily.

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts Last Edited: 2016-02-23 16:02:39 #16 On February 24 2016 00:33 blaze13 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 23 2016 23:41 bbqs wrote:

On February 23 2016 22:54 blaze13 wrote:

Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:



Reaper fe marine

2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)

2:10 second refinery

2:50 factory

3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)

3:38 reactor on factory



Drop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stim



Here is the replay Hey guys I managed to get the actual drop down to 5:17 on dusk using this template:Reaper fe marine2:08 second barracks (don't produce units until after reactor on factory)2:10 second refinery2:50 factory3:00 ebay (can use scv building second rax)3:38 reactor on factoryDrop at 5:20 with 16 marines +1 and stimHere is the replay http://ggtracker.com/matches/6493950

I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper. I've already updated the guide with a faster second gas which result in 5.20 instead of 5.30. The only difference in our builds is that you don't get the reactor right after the reaper.





Umm yea, that's why I posted this in your thread because I was using your build. In the replay I downloaded your medivacs didn't leave your base until 5:20 and someone was asking for a cleaner replay so I posted one. I also posted the times I got everything so they could benchmark more easily. Umm yea, that's why I posted this in your thread because I was using your build. In the replay I downloaded your medivacs didn't leave your base until 5:20 and someone was asking for a cleaner replay so I posted one. I also posted the times I got everything so they could benchmark more easily.



I thought you were posting an optimized version of the build and they were asking for a cleaner replay of the CC first build, but anyways you're right, my replay shows sloppy play since it's a real game. I thought you were posting an optimized version of the build and they were asking for a cleaner replay of the CC first build, but anyways you're right, my replay shows sloppy play since it's a real game.

blaze13 Profile Joined February 2014 United States 24 Posts #17 Well anyways thanks for posting the build having fun with it xD

bbqs Profile Joined December 2015 17 Posts #18 On February 24 2016 10:34 blaze13 wrote:

Well anyways thanks for posting the build having fun with it xD

I'm glad you like it I'm glad you like it

klup Profile Joined May 2013 France 600 Posts #19 Yes this build is really great doing this or the cc first variant depending on the map it shrekt most zerg I play grats man (master player here )

wabbajack_sc2 Profile Joined October 2015 7 Posts Last Edited: 2016-02-26 15:02:42 #20 LoL, you built it, and they came!



I hereby award myself partial credit for the PM that got this rolling. Enjoy your internet points!



BTW - I really like your formatting. I gotta remember to remind myself that colors exist.



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