Rappers Killer Mike & El-P of “Run the Jewels” talk politics with Channel 4 News. Mike (formerly a huge Bernie Sanders supporter) speaks in defense of Trump supporters, and questions whether jobs are a realistic solution to economic problems with the rise of job automation technology.

Killer Mike: Everybody who voted Trump’s not racist, and they didn’t vote for those reasons, and they’re not ultra-nationalists. They were scared people who don’t have jobs. And that speaks to a different issue. That speaks to the issue of industrialism. That speaks to the interests of nationalism by way of what is leaving countries by way of jobs. And it speaks to the issue of are jobs still necessary? Should we still be pushing that agenda of capitalism that forces people to work at the lowest possible wage to enrich the top?

We’re gonna have to rethink totally. It’s more than just saying ‘Hey those people voted for Brexit or voted for Trump, and those people are obviously racist’ — that’s not true. Some people are just afraid and they want jobs, and they want to be able to support their families.

So I think to cure cancer, you don’t start in the 4th stage. You start before it even begins. So I think that to cure the cancer that we’re seeing, ultimately, is not in blaming politics and politicians, but in pushing beyond our boundaries and saying, ‘Have we outlived this old system?’

El-P: I mean we’ll find out soon when the robots really rise. You think you’ve got problems with your jobs now, wait until Plucky the Robot takes over your gig.