aidoSC Profile Joined December 2012 Russian Federation 39 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-04 15:00:15 #1



Honestly, i don't like tо wash one's dirty linen in public,

and until this time i was thinking that the current situation is a some kind of misunderstanding,

so i was waiting, hoping this problem will somehow be solved gracefully.

But it has NOT and now my patience is over.



When i ( and DarthNeBuL ) joined the EmpireTV team, our working conditions were clearly conformed: there is no salary, BUT ALL money from the advertisement on our streams shall be ours.

Not a huge amount of money, but surely better then nothing.



After a few months, when the significant amount of money was collected, i was hoping to get it.After conversation with the Twitch.tv support center, i realized, that all MY money were flowing directly to the team Empire ( according to the partnership program, i. e. team Empire manager got the all money ).



Ok, not a problem, just ask a manager - an Empire.Stranger about the money - thought i. But in fact, things were not so easy. I will omit the whole conversation with Empire.Stranger about the money, in brief i was getting some thin excuses and more and more 'later' promises.

Then i was simply ignored. It was April 2014. Now, it is July.

Last answer from the Empire.Stranger i've got at May 22.

DarthNeBuL is still trying to get his money back, and, as far as i know, without success: he is still being feeded with the promises, as so am i was.



Now you're warned about the team Empire. Think twice about the cooperation with this organization.



Thanks and good luck.



http://goodgame.ru/topic/56460/



On July 04 2014 23:56 aidoSC wrote:

I have about 5-7 conversations with the Stranger in Skype,

BUT, we are NOT alone there, so i am not sure i have a right to reveale that in public.



BUT i can show my own private

Is that will be enough?



finally, I will show you a response manager for Topic



And now i am being blackmailed. Truly said, i was really shocked by the fact i am being squeezed. They wont ME to apologise for I am being frauded and robbed. Empire.Stranger tells that if i am already attracted community's attention to the problem,

then now i should ask the community itself to pay my money back.



There is his message:







I will offer you a translation:



"Tell him [me, Aido] if he goes to the community, then let him demand the money from the community.

I am not against to pay him his money, BUT now ONLY after the public excuses.

There was no point to cover team Empire name in mud." I have about 5-7 conversations with the Stranger in Skype,BUT, we are NOT alone there, so i am not sure i have a right to reveale that in public.BUT i can show my own private Skype Twitter conversations, where i was asking for the answers.Is that will be enough?finally, I will show you a response manager for TopicAnd now i am being blackmailed. Truly said, i was really shocked by the fact i am being squeezed. They wont ME to apologise for I am being frauded and robbed. Empire.Stranger tells that if i am already attracted community's attention to the problem,then now i should ask the community itself to pay my money back.There is his message:I will offer you a translation:"Tell him [me, Aido] if he goes to the community, then let him demand the money from the community.I am not against to pay him his money, BUT now ONLY after the public excuses.There was no point to cover team Empire name in mud." Hello people, i am cSc.aido, some time ago i was a streamer of the EmpireTV.Honestly, i don't like tо wash one's dirty linen in public,and until this time i was thinking that the current situation is a some kind of misunderstanding,so i was waiting, hoping this problem will somehow be solved gracefully.But it has NOT and now my patience is over.When i ( and DarthNeBuL ) joined the EmpireTV team, our working conditions were clearly conformed: there is no salary, BUT ALL money from the advertisement on our streams shall be ours.Not a huge amount of money, but surely better then nothing.After a few months, when the significant amount of money was collected, i was hoping to get it.After conversation with the Twitch.tv support center, i realized, that all MY money were flowing directly to the team Empire ( according to the partnership program, i. e. team Empire manager got the all money ).Ok, not a problem, just ask a manager - an Empire.Stranger about the money - thought i. But in fact, things were not so easy. I will omit the whole conversation with Empire.Stranger about the money, in brief i was getting some thin excuses and more and more 'later' promises.Then i was simply ignored. It was April 2014. Now, it is July.Last answer from the Empire.Stranger i've got at May 22.DarthNeBuL is still trying to get his money back, and, as far as i know, without success: he is still being feeded with the promises, as so am i was.Now you're warned about the team Empire. Think twice about the cooperation with this organization.Thanks and good luck.

followZeRoX Profile Joined March 2011 Serbia 1366 Posts #2 This was low.

TechNoTrance Profile Joined May 2012 Canada 1006 Posts #3 Interesting to know. You should provide the skype logs however as proof of your claim though. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts #4 Well, there is no proof. :/ https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport

splasha Profile Joined August 2011 Brazil 86 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-03 20:13:22 #5 Well then, ur turn Empire.

aidoSC Profile Joined December 2012 Russian Federation 39 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-03 21:11:48 #6



There is Empire.Stranger's (manager) confession of having payment delay.



no proof? ok npThere is Empire.Stranger's (manager) confession of having payment delay.



approximate translation: "my friend, why so harsh claim? I confess that we've delayed payment, sorry. It's special case. Payment will be made 100%, I've already said it to DarthNeBuL."



But i do not believe him. Such promises are being made since april. approximate translation: "my friend, why so harsh claim? I confess that we've delayed payment, sorry. It's special case. Payment will be made 100%, I've already said it to DarthNeBuL."But i do not believe him. Such promises are being made since april.

FlowOfIdeas Profile Joined December 2013 30 Posts #7 Hey I got an idea, sue them, instead of complaining on TL. If you have a contract then you should have no problem in court.

TelecoM Profile Blog Joined January 2010 United States 10250 Posts #8 I hope that you get the money you and darthnebul are supposed to but, you posted a link to an all russian website, and sense TL is i'm pretty sure an only all english website, although other languages are great too! But i'm pretty sure only english is allowed or requested of, is there anyway you can provide the text in english?



Hope this issue gets worked out because team empire was always good in my eyes! AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting

caznitch Profile Joined July 2012 Canada 645 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-03 20:52:50 #9 On July 04 2014 05:43 FlowOfIdeas wrote:

Hey I got an idea, sue them, instead of complaining on TL. If you have a contract then you should have no problem in court.



Yes. The guy who is struggling to get payment for a couple hundred or thousand dollars definitely has the financial means to hire a lawyer to work on the case. Good thing you chimed in as I'm sure the OP doesn't know the ins and outs of Russian Law like you do.



If that doesn't work, maybe go on Judge Judy? There surely must be snappy TV judges in Russia? Yes. The guy who is struggling to get payment for a couple hundred or thousand dollars definitely has the financial means to hire a lawyer to work on the case. Good thing you chimed in as I'm sure the OP doesn't know the ins and outs of Russian Law like you do.If that doesn't work, maybe go on Judge Judy? There surely must be snappy TV judges in Russia? why?

heartlxp Profile Joined September 2010 United States 1053 Posts #10 On July 04 2014 05:51 caznitch wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 04 2014 05:43 FlowOfIdeas wrote:

Hey I got an idea, sue them, instead of complaining on TL. If you have a contract then you should have no problem in court.



Yes. The guy who is struggling to get payment for a couple hundred or thousand dollars definitely has the financial means to hire a lawyer to work on the case. Good thing you chimed in as I'm sure the OP doesn't know the ins and outs of Russian Law like you do.



If that doesn't work, maybe go on Judge Judy? There surely must be snappy TV judges in Russia? Yes. The guy who is struggling to get payment for a couple hundred or thousand dollars definitely has the financial means to hire a lawyer to work on the case. Good thing you chimed in as I'm sure the OP doesn't know the ins and outs of Russian Law like you do.If that doesn't work, maybe go on Judge Judy? There surely must be snappy TV judges in Russia?



I'd watch Judge Olga I'd watch Judge Olga

Shuffleblade Profile Joined February 2012 Sweden 1821 Posts #11 This sounds terrible, I hope they pull their shit together and give you what is rightfully yours.



Pissing the fans off in esport is never a good idea for a team, at least not when it comes to money and management, going full quantic. Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!

MorDka Profile Joined October 2012 Poland 543 Posts #12 Drama! ggogogogo

Gianttt Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Netherlands 191 Posts #13 What is the use of making such post if you don't have things on paper. I think you made a mistake, and because you are mad you share that experience. Don't get me wrong, it could be very true an organisation is snitching you, but it's still your own fault. Winners: It is difficult, but it's possible.

dAPhREAk Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Nauru 12390 Posts #14 On July 04 2014 06:23 Gianttt wrote:

What is the use of making such post if you don't have things on paper. I think you made a mistake, and because you are mad you share that experience. Don't get me wrong, it could be very true an organisation is snitching you, but it's still your own fault.

weird mindset. oral agreements are as equally enforceable as written agreements. and, if the organization is "snitching" him, how is it his fault? weird mindset. oral agreements are as equally enforceable as written agreements. and, if the organization is "snitching" him, how is it his fault?

[F_]aths Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Germany 3934 Posts #15 On July 04 2014 06:23 Gianttt wrote:

What is the use of making such post if you don't have things on paper. I think you made a mistake, and because you are mad you share that experience. Don't get me wrong, it could be very true an organisation is snitching you, but it's still your own fault.

The use of such post is obviously to warn other streamers about a possible agreement with Empire TV. The use of such post is obviously to warn other streamers about a possible agreement with Empire TV. You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.

WombaT Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Northern Ireland 14273 Posts #16 I think there is some value in doing this, it appears that he's given Empire's management a pretty reasonable window to respond and they've maintained radio silence. In addition, Empire are something of a reputable organisation with some kudos behind the name, a name that would appeal a lot to any aspiring progamers and casters. If they're not playing ball it's worth informing other people who would potentially join at some future juncture. 'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat

BronzeKnee Profile Joined March 2011 United States 5110 Posts #17 Here is today's lesson: Don't ever expect money from strangers.

Complete Profile Joined October 2009 United States 1441 Posts #18 On July 04 2014 06:26 dAPhREAk wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 04 2014 06:23 Gianttt wrote:

What is the use of making such post if you don't have things on paper. I think you made a mistake, and because you are mad you share that experience. Don't get me wrong, it could be very true an organisation is snitching you, but it's still your own fault.

weird mindset. oral agreements are as equally enforceable as written agreements. and, if the organization is "snitching" him, how is it his fault? weird mindset. oral agreements are as equally enforceable as written agreements. and, if the organization is "snitching" him, how is it his fault?

I'm not sure enforceable is the correct word, considering the difficulty in proving them, but valid indeed. I'm not sure enforceable is the correct word, considering the difficulty in proving them, but valid indeed.

Micro_Jackson Profile Joined August 2011 Germany 1963 Posts #19 Bad eSport business "deals" number 2916.

Dapper_Cad Profile Blog Joined July 2010 United Kingdom 956 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-03 22:04:58 #20 So a semi-pro who has been jerked around by a reputable e-sports organisation posts on TL so a bunch of people rally round and...



shit on him so they can sound cynical and grown up on the internet? What am I seeing here?



Bad luck dude, I hope Empire pay up. But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.

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