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Here he is: [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/11jrmdj.jpg[/IMG] Here is some logbook text explaining why he joined my crew: [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/wjb244.jpg[/IMG] NOTES-- - I have not given medicine to Edward nor upped his stats; this picture is of him as I received him. - I did not have the leader badge on any of my teammates; I haven't even built it. - When asked how much authority I have over my team, the "much" button was green and the only option available to choose. The "little" button was grayed-out. MYSTERY SOLVED So how did I get Edward? After doing some thinking I believe I have finally solved the mystery. Do you remember when Mary and Oliver wanted to build the love nest/have a relationship? Well, I decided to forbid them from doing so. I remember continually selecting "no" to their request to be together, and eventually they ran away from camp. Then, because I did not permit Mary and Oliver to have a relationship, they left, and the other survivors were apparently filled with fear and respect for me. As a result I unlocked a buildable item called the EYE OF ORDER (picture below). This angry-looking, cyclops "yield sign" sits just left of my camp's logbook, and I never really thought much to it, except that it gave every survivor a huge boost to all their skills (I want to say it was +15 to everything, but I could be mistaken). Here is the Eye of Order: [IMG]http://i68.tinypic.com/10wpdt3.jpg[/IMG] I really think that having this "Eye of Order" is the key to unlocking Edward the pirate later in the story. However, as a result of my choice to forbid Mary and Oliver have a kid--Zoe? I think it is--I lost 3 survivors (parents and their resulting child) to get Edward. Was it worth it? Meh, I don't know. It was so long ago that I don't really think about it too much anymore. I'm happy with my current crew. Anyway, I hope this helped! Comments and questions are of course welcome, although I might not be able to respond right away; metadata Waiting for this thread to blow up now. And thanks for the proof and insight btw. metadata > *Originally posted by **[SimonL703](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10817950)**:* > Waiting for this thread to blow up now. And thanks for the proof and insight btw. Glad to help, Simon. metadata Oh sux... metadata If thats the situation needed in getting the pirate, it was not worth it at all. In fact, Mary has the only talent that can build in early games, Oliver is a gardener therefore he gathers food and eventually resources which is useful in late game and Zoe has a high early game stats which gave her the advantage to Explore, Forage and fight. So for me 3 survivors > Edward metadata I can't see the first two images but omg, this is awesome! The game's greatest(?) mystery finally solved! Just some random thoughts running thru my mind: 1. Getting the pirate is a HUGE sacrifice especially if you're not using gemmed survivors. The original 5 characters will be reduced to 3 although of course, you can get Keela early in the game (trade-off is Kagan) and Alfred, Sparky and Willy with resources. 2. So that's probably why the huge boosts in stats with the eye to compensate for the lack in survivor numbers. 3. Since you just got the pirate, there's still more to go. I have this theory that maybe you'll get Mary and Oliver back because well, where exactly would they go when you're all stuck on an island? 4. Like with Keela/Kagan, maybe you need to choose between Zoe/Edward if my guess about Mary and Oliver is correct. Since I can't access the image, what exactly are Edward's stats? He needs to be super skilled for me to think about losing Zoe (plus her parents) in my next restart. 5. Finally, out of curiosity, why exactly did you stubbornly forbid Mary and Oliver's relationship? Lol. metadata > *Originally posted by **[Vixengaze](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10818246)**:* > I can't see the first two images but omg, this is awesome! The game's greatest(?) mystery finally solved! Just some random thoughts running thru my mind: > > 1. Getting the pirate is a HUGE sacrifice especially if you're not using gemmed survivors. The original 5 characters will be reduced to 3 although of course, you can get Keela early in the game (trade-off is Kagan) and Alfred, Sparky and Willy with resources. > > 2. So that's probably why the huge boosts in stats with the eye to compensate for the lack in survivor numbers. > > 3. Since you just got the pirate, there's still more to go. I have this theory that maybe you'll get Mary and Oliver back because well, where exactly would they go when you're all stuck on an island? > > 4. Like with Keela/Kagan, maybe you need to choose between Zoe/Edward if my guess about Mary and Oliver is correct. Since I can't access the image, what exactly are Edward's stats? He needs to be super skilled for me to think about losing Zoe (plus her parents) in my next restart. > > 5. Finally, out of curiosity, why exactly did you stubbornly forbid Mary and Oliver's relationship? Lol. > Eye has a great trade off but not as the three survivors. BTW, Edward has 70 Searching ( Magnifying Glass) , 87 Foraging ( Hands ), 60 Building ( Hammer ) and 78 Fighting ( Sword ) . metadata > *Originally posted by **[Vixengaze](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10818246)**:* > I can't see the first two images but omg, this is awesome! The game's greatest(?) mystery finally solved! Just some random thoughts running thru my mind: > > 1. Getting the pirate is a HUGE sacrifice especially if you're not using gemmed survivors. The original 5 characters will be reduced to 3 although of course, you can get Keela early in the game (trade-off is Kagan) and Alfred, Sparky and Willy with resources. > > 2. So that's probably why the huge boosts in stats with the eye to compensate for the lack in survivor numbers. > > 3. Since you just got the pirate, there's still more to go. I have this theory that maybe you'll get Mary and Oliver back because well, where exactly would they go when you're all stuck on an island? > > 4. Like with Keela/Kagan, maybe you need to choose between Zoe/Edward if my guess about Mary and Oliver is correct. Since I can't access the image, what exactly are Edward's stats? He needs to be super skilled for me to think about losing Zoe (plus her parents) in my next restart. > > 5. Finally, out of curiosity, why exactly did you stubbornly forbid Mary and Oliver's relationship? Lol. > Thanks for your input, Vixengaze! 1. Yeah, it's a huge sacrifice. As of now I have 12 survivors (technically 13, although Adam is apparently on one of his odd trips wherein he'll probably reappear later, a la Pines). 2. Agreed. 3. Honestly I don't think Mary and Oliver will be coming back. I don't remember where it was, but on one of my expeditions I came across a makeshift tombstone dedicated to Oliver from Mary. It read something like "I will always love you Oliver. --Mary." RIP Oliver, unless there's some miraculous plot twist later. 4. TinyPic isn't always reliable, my apologies. Cyanidie was able to see his stats, though; check out their post. 5. When faced with deciding about Mary and Oliver, I could tell that the game was really pushing for me to let them be together (in hindsight it was likely because they'd have a useful survivor-kid later). Yet I was thinking "If Mary and Oliver get together, they might become lazy/stop caring as much about the crew as themselves, which would mean they wouldn't be as useful, and their stats may go down." So--even though I may or may not have felt bad for them lol--I didn't let them get together. metadata > *Originally posted by **[cyanidie](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10818349)**:* > Eye has a great trade off but not as the three survivors. BTW, Edward has 70 Searching ( Magnifying Glass) , 87 Foraging ( Hands ), 60 Building ( Hammer ) and 78 Fighting ( Sword ) . Thanks, cyanidie! I realize now that TinyPic can be unreliable, but I'm glad you were able to see the pictures. metadata Here's a better screenshot of Edward; I hope Imgur works better than TinyPic. http://imgur.com/a/B9IBk metadata > *Originally posted by **[yeuxverts](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10818801)**:* > > 1. Yeah, it's a huge sacrifice. As of now I have 12 survivors (technically 13, although Adam is apparently on one of his odd trips wherein he'll probably reappear later, a la Pines). > 2. Agreed. > 3. Honestly I don't think Mary and Oliver will be coming back. I don't remember where it was, but on one of my expeditions I came across a makeshift tombstone dedicated to Oliver from Mary. It read something like "I will always love you Oliver. --Mary." RIP Oliver, unless there's some miraculous plot twist later. > 4. TinyPic isn't always reliable, my apologies. Cyanidie was able to see his stats, though; check out their post. > 5. When faced with deciding about Mary and Oliver, I could tell that the game was really pushing for me to let them be together (in hindsight it was likely because they'd have a useful survivor-kid later). Yet I was thinking "If Mary and Oliver get together, they might become lazy/stop caring as much about the crew as themselves, which would mean they wouldn't be as useful, and their stats may go down." So--even though I may or may not have felt bad for them lol--I didn't let them get together. 1. This is a REALLY BIG sacrifice. Actually, it's more like a consolation, seeing how you have to go through the first half with 3 less survivors just to get 1 back with a +3 to all skill building. That's not even comparing how the Pirate's stats look really average for that point in the game. Granted, that's not the base stats and you may not have upgraded all the skill buildings ASAP. But looking at it objectively, unless recruiting the Pirate would open up a different or new storyline or even new locations, then it's really hard to say it's worth it. Other than bragging rights, maybe? It would be interesting to find out if there is more to it. 2. [Eye Of Order1](http://puu.sh/s5kZ0/efd6175327.png) [Eye Of Order2](http://puu.sh/s5l1s/d5e8ea54d8.png) A bit disappointing.. 3. I was actually hoping to get them back eventually, since there's the Adam events and like Vixen said, we're stuck on the same island. 5.You watch Survivor? That sounds like some survivor politics there lol metadata > *Originally posted by **[SimonL703](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10818966)**:* > 1. This is a REALLY BIG sacrifice. Actually, it's more like a consolation, seeing how you have to go through the first half with 3 less survivors just to get 1 back with a +3 to all skill building. That's not even comparing how the Pirate's stats look really average for that point in the game. Granted, that's not the base stats and you may not have upgraded all the skill buildings ASAP. But looking at it objectively, unless recruiting the Pirate would open up a different or new storyline or even new locations, then it's really hard to say it's worth it. Other than bragging rights, maybe? It would be interesting to find out if there is more to it. > 2. [Eye Of Order1](http://puu.sh/s5kZ0/efd6175327.png) > [Eye Of Order2](http://puu.sh/s5l1s/d5e8ea54d8.png) > A bit disappointing.. > 3. I was actually hoping to get them back eventually, since there's the Adam events and like Vixen said, we're stuck on the same island. > > 5.You watch Survivor? That sounds like some survivor politics there lol Yeah, I got the shorter end of the proverbial stick with the pirate (considering that I could have had Oliver, Mary, and Zoe in his stead, etc). And that +3 to all skills (instead of +15, I'm not even sure where I got that, but I wish it was the case) isn't great. Oh, I thought that the survivors were suddenly filled with respect/fear for me when I forbade Mary and Oliver from getting together...nope, my authority almost slipped away so I had to build the Eye of Authority to get them to listen to me. Oops! It was a long time ago and apparently unintentionally embellished by me. Glad you cleared that up though! I appreciate it. Maybe Mary will come back, but I highly doubt it. RIP Mary unless, like I said, there's some amazing plot twist, which is unlikely. And no, I don't actually watch *Survivor*, but maybe I was just feeling merciless at that time? I don't even know anymore lol. metadata ^ Couldn't multi-quote but thanks for clarifying the stats. I guess Edward's stats are scaled to you? Otherwise, Zoe still seems to be the better survivor with the almost even stats. Re: Oliver's grave: Now, that's tragic. So yeah, it seems like you won't be getting the couple back. Tbh, it was odd that there had to be a logbook pop-up asking your permission to have a relationship. It hinted something significant and also ironic that the pirate had to ask if you had authority when you've been doing the decisions all along. Re: Eye of order: That stat boost is even more tragic, game-wise lol. I'd have to agree and hope that maybe getting the pirate opens up different story plots because compared to the other survivors, getting him seems a bit more complicated. Anyway, i'm intrigued, i'd probably do a restart targeting to get the pirate just for the heck of it. That is if I still stay sane after all these build wait times. metadata The question is, is that the only way to get the pirate? I saw a post somewhere here that says you should Debate and then build a Forum instead of choosing a leader and building a leader badge. Someone who is volunteering him/herself (a newbie or someone who wants to redo the game) should confirm if this is true. metadata > *Originally posted by **[cryptic_sht](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10821431)**:* > The question is, is that the only way to get the pirate? I saw a post somewhere here that says you should Debate and then build a Forum instead of choosing a leader and building a leader badge. Someone who is volunteering him/herself (a newbie or someone who wants to redo the game) should confirm if this is true. http://www.kongregate.com/forums/35472-general/topics/654846-so-how-far-is-everyone-tips?page=2 Someone already did that, didn't you commented that? As for the post(s) saying to build the Forum in order to get the Pirate, or actually just it was just flash, it was only a suggestion since everybody thought it was centered around that specific scenario. metadata I was wondering if not letting them get together would give you something useful! Might try this too sometime on a seperate save file. metadata > *Originally posted by **[SimonL703](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10821789)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[cryptic_sht](/forums/35472/topics/679354?page=1#10821431)**:* > > The question is, is that the only way to get the pirate? I saw a post somewhere here that says you should Debate and then build a Forum instead of choosing a leader and building a leader badge. Someone who is volunteering him/herself (a newbie or someone who wants to redo the game) should confirm if this is true. > > http://www.kongregate.com/forums/35472-general/topics/654846-so-how-far-is-everyone-tips?page=2 > Someone already did that, didn't you commented that? > > As for the post(s) saying to build the Forum in order to get the Pirate, or actually just it was just flash, it was only a suggestion since everybody thought it was centered around that specific scenario. I forgot about that. lol If that is the only way to get Edward, then he is absolutely not worth it because his stats isn't even any better than the 3 survivors combined who you will sacrifice just to get him.

