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"VIDEO: Manual Override of Diebold's Central Tabulator in Sarasota FL's Primary Election"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... karen said on 6/3/2008 @ 2:13 pm PT...





watching jeanies amazing video again made me curious about sarasota so i googled the clerks office looking for results...no results posted so i googled florida sec of state...for whatever reason it wouldnt let me copy and paste that link but it said official results

at first all i wanted was to see what precinct 125 reported but i ran across impossible numbers

sarosta has 241,870 registered voters and according to sos 127,180 showed for the presidential preference race on the 29th

BUT when u look at the pres results the sos shows 1,749,920 votes for dem candidates and 1,949,498 votes for rep candidates...dats 3,699,418 votes

looking at the constitutional amendment their were 2,667,543 yes votes and 1,497,970 no votes ,,,dats 4,165,513 votes....roughly 32 times as many votes as they had peops turn out? if someone could check the sos web site for florida and tell me what i am missing here i would apprciate it

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... karen said on 6/3/2008 @ 2:37 pm PT...





well evidently no matter what county u select on sos web site in florida u get the entire states results...srry for the false alarm

jeanies video and point remains same....no matter what voters say,election officials can "ovrride it"

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... karen said on 6/3/2008 @ 3:39 pm PT...





i went back to sos site for florida...there is a link to sarosota...found a pdf thats the certification of county canvassing board report

the last line of report says there were TOTAL BALLOTS CAST of 127,180

but when i add the no votes 43,050

and the yes votes 84,720= 127,770

590 more votes than voters?

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/3/2008 @ 5:04 pm PT...





Karen~!Holy Wha...? I will look into your figures immediately. Sending your info to our Sarasota number cruncher and see what we've got, here. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the trend we see in New Hampshire, New Jersey and other states throughout this freaky, funky primary season re: more votes than voters, is also reflected by these Sarasota statistics. Thank you, ever so! Brad, I'm just over the moon today to find this video posted here at my erstwhile cyber-home, BRADBLOG. This video has been haunting me above all others, as the complete lack of observation in Sarasota, Florida (of all places!) was so far beyond my comprehension that it put me under my own couch for several days...indisposed. Thank you for giving this one some oxygen. You have much assuaged my elephant-teary, broken-hearted trek home from DENT's Board of Elections office...

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 6/3/2008 @ 5:44 pm PT...





Well done Jeannie Dean!

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 6/4/2008 @ 9:03 am PT...





What I get from this video is that, sure there's plenty of bad things caught on tape, but there needs to be a "sting" to the activity. Let me explain. We've all watched the TV show called "COPS" now ask yourself, when the cops got you on (DV/HDV) tape with your hand in the cookie jar, do they sit around and just film more crap, or do they start locking the (not yet found guilty) perps up and put a stop to the nonsense? They use law, and put a stop to the nonsense. Poll watchers don't seem to have leadership authority or any other authority to nullify bad actions. Which leads me to further think, okay, fine, you caught it on tape, and that's a skill-set for sure to be able to even hold the camera still long enough to catch the perps. But the camera operator isn't going to be able to do anything until after editing, and by then the totals are announced on the fascist alphabet channels (in this case it sounded like it was by way of a mobile phone. but hey I just watched it once I could be wrong.) The problem here is that the numbers are being delivered without a challenge at the moment in time it happens. A lot of secretary of states' will let you watch if you don't interfere. But without interference the crime is committed again and again, that crime is election fraud. (Not to be confused with voter fraud) So how are "We The People" going to assert absolute power over "existing perps with authority" It can't be done with electronics. The nature of the beast is you can't see it. And if by some chance you do see an equipment failure you can't do squat about it. We need something inserted here. I am tired of fighting this same argument. The machines need to go, the poll watchers need access to paper ballots, and to be educated the importance of keeping on top of things and the critical importance of what they do, no stuffing their friggin mouths with fried chicken or "little debbie" donut snacks. 30 feet away isn't acceptable. If the office is too small then hold the damn election out doors in the sunlight. I would love to fire up my cameras and catch someone, but I wouldn't be able to contain myself, and I would end up either beat up or beating someone up. I can't contain myself to the knowledge that the election is going south because of failures and rigging and not want to smash my camera into the side of their head. The reason is that if I stay silent, and inactive, and forfeit my "JUST DO IT" card; then the wrong people get put in power and the whole nastiness repeats itself. It's pointless to even watch, when you can't see the signal of a modem, the modem has failed, and some freaking perp is hacking out new numbers to keep the ball rolling, while the jets are taking off to swear the criminals in. / or the candidate that really mattered is being slandered, spun, lied about, propagandized across the audio/video fascist media spectrum. THis is all about an abusive use of electronics. If there is no constitutional right to vote then fine, keep on doing this crap. If there is, then it's time to declare war on these organized criminals. I don't know what else to say, I suck at trying to make my point proper.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/4/2008 @ 11:59 am PT...





Hello, my Phil!~ You make excellent points, and I share your heartfelt, impassioned response 100%. One of the most frustrating questions I am asked is, "Okay, so you caught 'em cheating...now what?" I have struggled to come up with a decent answer to that one without sounding cheeky, ill-informed, and Polyanna-glib; without honking on mightily about "the power of one" in the face of such overwhelming odds. Lord knows there is no place to take the evidence with absolutely no oversight, the DOJ in the pocket of the bad guys, AG's asleep at the wheel, our courts and the honorable (?) justices all on the take (although that varies from state to state.) Florida, it seems to most of us, is a total wash.

It's corrupt from the top down (thanks to Jebby) as I learned following the two recounts, the 3 so-called "independent audits", the 4 court cases that resulted in the botched Jennings/ Buchanan race, and the subsequent whitewashed GAO investigation that exonerated the iVotronics in which the STATE once again dictated the terms of the testing (even hand-picked which machines would be tested, the location, and the conditions in which the FEDERAL INVESTIGATION could apply it's resources.) Most disturbing, of course, and I don't have to tell you any of this, but just for the record--to have Congress roll over and reject Christine Jennings' and Clint Curtis' contested elections when there was ample proof of incompetence (at best) and malfeasance (at most probable worst) was a blow to our efforts that I would not have believed could occur even if you had a crystal ball and shown me all the details well in advance... That all said: I do have hope, Phil, and as misplaced as it might be, it relies on waves of LOCAL CITIZEN PARTICIPATION/ OVERSIGHT on Election Night. This is getting harder and harder to do in Florida thanks to KATHY DENT and KURT BROWNING's efforts to bar our most experienced election experts from observation, but I tell you: I have seen over and over again how just the simple act of showing up can improve the process. We need vast armies of citizen observers/ videographers/ statisticians/ Election Law and computer experts--not just me or you alone with our silly, solo cam-corders. My hope is, and I'm seeing it manifest Phil, is change from the bottom up, not the top down. Ron Paul folks are running for local offices. Obama supporters are signing up to be poll workers. My fellow BRADBLOGGERS and other wonderful activists have succeeded in planting the seeds of doubt, and now (slowly) folks are figuring out exactly what they can do. It DOES sound a bit Polyanna, but the power in numbers theory really does work! Ask Kathy Dent, who now refers to me as "the youtube lady" and whose national reputation is on the skids--thanks to BRADBLOG, BEV HARRIS, SUSAN PYNHON and my silly little videos that have captured their efforts for the public record. My hope is that videos like this, given enough circulation, will empower the many citizens who feel helpless and outmaneuvered to just. show. up.

And demand accountability. Demand transparency. Learn the flaws in their voting system firsthand. Grill their S.O.E's. Lobby their Canvassing Boards and local congresspeople to wake the hell up before they spend more of our tax dollars on these easy-to-manipulate, pre-rigged, election systems. Insist that our designated party observers OBSERVE the process on our behalf, as they were chosen to do, instead of feeding their fat faces and giggling together like they're at an effin' High School PROM. And if that doesn't work, Phil--I, for one, am willing to trek down to my local CRAP newspaper, the SARASOTA HERALD TRIBUNE, with torches (metaphoric) and fisticuffs (not-so-metaphoric) and create a ruckus that no one can ignore. Can't do that by myself...none of us can.

Thank you so much for watching, Phil, and for your insights--they are never lost on me.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/4/2008 @ 12:26 pm PT...





If you want to see just how frightened they are of us, Phil, here's a Kathy Dent classic provided to us by GINNY ROSS of the Oregon Voter's Rights coalition, who infiltrated the creepiest of all creepy conferences of vendors and vendor-friendly S.O.E's last year: KATHY DENT: "Those Pesky Activists"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83TGawMwJhQ Brad has posted parts of this whopper video in the past, but I think this clip includes some of the rest of her verbal garbage that wasn't seen before... JUNE 27, 2007: KATHY DENT blames all of her woes on activists in this 3 min. clip from her presentation at the NW Pacific Election Conference. Dent manages fewer lies than usual in this clip, but her tone and her actions reveal exactly how she feels about the Sarasota Alliance for Fair Elections and their paper ballot charter amendment of 2006. The amendment, which called for paper ballots and random audits, passed by a wide margin--but is currently being challenged by DENT and Secretary of State, Kurt Browning (on the tax-payers dime, I might add. Disgusting.) Dent also takes time to warn her audience about Bev Harris' Citizen tool-kit from Black Box Voting; even quotes Bev Harris and Brad Friedman with the phrase "Be the Media", complaining about "the media" (which is Leonard Schmiege, Ginny Ross and myself) as the cause her growing YOUTUBE infamy... Another (small) victory for activists, as we can see how our efforts are making corrupt election official sweat it out. Let's hope for an indictment and SOON. More to come from this creepy conference as I process all the lies. So many I hardly know where to begin.

--Jeannie Dean in Fl-13

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Steve B said on 6/4/2008 @ 2:14 pm PT...





Thanks Jeannie for the great video. Please keep up this essential work as much as you are able. I was just thinking about the question of why the modems would fail to upload results to the main tabulator. Maybe there is some coding in the software put in that would do a checksum prior to the upload to verify that the totals on the memory card and the actual total of scanned ballots by the machine were essentially equal within the accepted standard deviation. If they were not equal,then the instruction would be not to upload. Maybe Diebold overlooked this inadvertently or intentionally left it in to allow this backdoor changing of results. If I really wanted to be conspiratorial,the exact machine would be flagged to indicate that it would not upload. Does anyone have any knowledge or reason to believe that this is or is not a relevant theory?

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... karen said on 6/4/2008 @ 3:02 pm PT...





Maybe there is some coding in the software put in that would do a checksum prior to the upload to verify that the totals on the memory card and the actual total of scanned ballots by the machine were essentially equal within the accepted standard deviation. If they were not equal,then the instruction would be not to upload. i think u have hit nail on the head,but the question then is....if the machine is SUPPOSE to give an accurate count how can the votes match 100% reporting BEFORE 100% of precincts r in? its not poss... and it also explains y when the numbers were manually entered in we get more votes than voters in the yes/no contest phil...jeanie is trying to educate americans with her videos

i am trying to educate americans that their sos r reporting impossible numbers

as far as what to do when we find these things...we r doing what we can by informing the only media(that might follow thru on these finds)

waves hands at brad and 99 llol

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 6/4/2008 @ 5:47 pm PT...





Phil, Jeannie, this is what annoyed me about Scott Maclellan saying the "liberal" media was lax in reporting the facts about the war and so on... How can you get the word out on the wrong doings of this administration if the media is owned by the criminals! In a "normal" world, news agencies would be fighting to be the first headlining these "mistakes". It's what bigdan has shouted about for four years, at least, and he is right. I mean look at last night...the USA made history with the first black nominee and all I could find on TV was one "Canadian" station talking about this historic event. (Mind you I have only basic cable so maybe it was on CNN etc.) Is "she who wants to obliterate Iran" gone yet?

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Chris Hooten said on 6/4/2008 @ 5:47 pm PT...





Karen, there is no conceivable reason why that code doesn't already check that the number of voters, ballots, and votes match. It would be simple damn code. I would really like to know why this isn't a no brainer. Duh!

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 6/4/2008 @ 5:57 pm PT...





Jeannie I gathered from the video that they were aware you were filming?

Like you Phil I don't think I would have been able to restrain myself.

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/4/2008 @ 10:12 pm PT...





Steve B writes: "I was just thinking about the question of why the modems would fail to upload results to the main tabulator..." GREAT question! I have wondered the same thing, and as Karen points out, your theory sure would explain some statistical wonk! I'm gonna ask around about that tomorrow, will post what I find out, here. Meantime, I can tell you that when KATHY DENT was asked to explain away how 13 precincts were unable to upload due to a "modem line" failure (featured in previous video "DIEBOLD OVERRIDE/ pt2: Withholding Precinct Results":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRFtYGJtOEQ)

she said: "I understand from other election supervisors who use this system that this (is normal)...and to have an 80% successful modem upload rate is good...so we're up there pretty high." WHA...? Could that be true? (If it is, it may be the first time she opened her yap to NOT LIE about something.) However, it is also worth noting that she has been quick to condemn this DIEBOLD "paper" system as she fought it's implementaion--tooth and nail--all the way to the Florida Supreme Court, claiming the Sarasota for Fair Alliance's paper ballot referendum was unconstitutional. She also confirms that it's the same"10 or 11 precincts" they had trouble uploading in the last election on this Diebold system. When we asked her which precincts were problematic--whattaya know!--NORTHPORT! (NORTHPORT had one of the most significant undervote rates from the ES&S iVotronics back in 2006--a "precinct of interest", home to the only pocket of minority and working class voters in Sarasota.) She also mentions precinct 99, which I understand includes a trailer park community...??? Another was precinct 125, Colonial Park, where the machines were down on election day between 7:00 and 9:15 am. What are the odds that TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS would have trouble processing THE SAME EXACT PRECINCTS? It could be just as simple as a cheap, crappy voting system forged by criminals, implemented by dubious officials and utilized by an election staff that doesn't know how to navigate it's flaws...but that's an awfully convenient series of hoo-haws. (GWN #11~YES! She is...ain't that somethin'?)

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/4/2008 @ 10:23 pm PT...





Karen~ Still trying to get to the bottom of your amazing numerical find (one of your many). Hoping to hear something soon. In response to your question:

"Do votes for congressional district 13 come from somewhere besides Sarosota County?" Yes, district 13 is made up of FOUR and a HALF counties. MANATEE/ HARDEE/ CHARLOTTE/ SARASOTA and I think half of DESOTO. Might be all of DESOTO and half of CHARLOTTE.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean (not in) FL-13 said on 6/4/2008 @ 10:38 pm PT...





Oh! And GWN: In a "normal" world, news agencies would be fighting to be the first headlining these "mistakes"... Too true. But a recent headline took note that the major networks are experiencing unprecedented slumping numbers. Meanwhile, CNN, NBC--hell, even FEUX have all been busy reporting what the blogs have to say (although hardly ever THIS one, I have noticed with much angst on a shoe-string...) But there's a new website called BREAK THE MATRIX that I'm uber-juiced about!

http://www.breakthematrix.com/ It's like a cross between YOUTUBE and OPED NEWS/ citizen journalists can upload articles AND video, subscribe to one another, comment in open threads and forums! It even has it's own programming available, and everyone who joins (taking off very quickly) is asked to consider switching cable providers if need be with the hopes this network will soon be picked up on pay channels and radio. I plan on living over at BTM like I do here at BRADBLOG. I could be wrong (very likely), but GWN, we may be seeing the ushering in the beginning of a whole new and improved fourth estate!

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 6/4/2008 @ 10:45 pm PT...





Steve B #9, "I was just thinking about the question of why the modems would fail to upload results to the main tabulator." I don't know if I agree with your speculation Steve. That's not saying that your speculation is bad or good. I used to run a bbs that had a modem, and the only way someone couldn't logon is if my line number was busy. (I didn't have the more expensive roll over numbers) There are a LOT of modem protocols. X,Y,Z, and variants. for example dsz (a 61k byte program) (e.g. SMALL)

DSZ Copyright 06-26-90 by Omen Technology INC,

·courtesy of My Elite Skill0rs·

Usage:

dsz [CON] [port 1..18] [speed N] [D] [d] [handshake arg] command So say I know the number 555-1212 I could just

dsz port 1 speed 57600 d t

OK

ATDT5551212

CONNECT 57600 Start doing business. What I do know about modems and that type of communication is that there were flaws in all the software (ALL OF IT, ALL OF IT IS BUGGY, EVEN I FOUND HELLA ROOT LEVEL EXPLOITS BACK THEN) and there were problems with basic operations, all in all it's a great method (like in say FidoNet) to communicate within a small or even rather larget (like FidoNet) network. It was a RISK worth taking, and a technology that was not being used to abuse our constitutional republic. It was self policed, but even so, there were things that sometimes could not be explained. So if you were to ask me if I thought it was safe to count our nation's election votes across such a system, or similar system or just private line to line, I would undoubtedly tell you hell no. How many sysops out there had corrupted message database from importing a rogue FTS-01 packet? Or a totally botched QWKMail upload packet. (either by stupid high ascii/ansi or specially crafted to attempt to lock up the BBS node) Most all of these fascist news anchor types on your alphabet channels have no clue about this stuff, how it works, how to set it up. They are just parrots. I digress..

Then there were the lesser talked about programs.. Anyone remember Norton Lambert's Close-Up? With that you had complete root to the box. Flash forward to today's world, as I see it, there is really only one problem with the use of electronics in our elections. That is that it is invisible to the human eye. For this one reason alone it should be outlawed. So when something "screw's the pooch" be it bad programming or malicious activity we have no way to see it. In essence we have to become forensic experts to TRY to find out, and there's no guarantee we can find it. Add to that we now have the telco's in bed with FIOS "Y" taps (are they two way?), miles and miles of wire that can be attacked in between at any point (talk about chain of custody there's a dilema, who can watch all the wire's, vaults, repeaters, hub's, power suppy, etc.) And finally add to that possibility of electronic parts (HARDWARE) themselves potentially specially crafted with hidden, malicious, footprint removing, logic changing circuitry built in at the doping and manufacture level. Don't belive me? Ask the USAF if they don't consider this a REALLY BIG PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, that say an electronic chip they used for parts has a backdoor in it. They have TEAMS working on it right now. All of this electronic nonsense, added by HAVA or other reasons, just adds a level of complexity to voting in an election that shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's an abusive use of technology. I can clean and delete the rogue FTS-001 packet, but you can't do that to people's votes in an election. Let alone, you can't SEE anything with your eye to provide oversight even if you were allowed access. What are you going to do, open the cover and watch the chips and blinking lights?! I know I am just repeating this stuff over. Maybe we truly have just lost control of our country. The one thing I do know for sure is that EVERYONE that pushes electronics for tabulating votes is corrupt. That's a fact! They've been told over and over and over, and so when they say, hey maybe we can do this, it's not just a new idea, it's corruption. None of the ideas work, the only thing that works is cutting the damned power cables off everything, no batteries, no chips, no modems, no phones, no radios. And then using a paper ballot, enforcing a bloody serious chain of custody, and citizen oversight, MANDITORY use of voters (like in Jury Duty) if need be. e.g. You want the right to vote, you want to be a registered voter, you better be willing to help count the vote. Other than that, I dunno any more. This administration has corrupted so many things I can no longer keep up.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... karen said on 6/5/2008 @ 12:14 am PT...

