Senator Al Franken questioned Betsy DeVos over donations to Focus on the Family in confirmation hearings yesterday. The Michigan billionaire philanthropist was nominated for Secretary of Education.

The New Republic reports that many exchanges with Democratic Senators showed that DeVos has little understanding of debates on education policy. Franken started his questioning by asking DeVos for her opinion on the proficiency-vs-growth in standardized testing scores debate, and she seemed unaware that the debate exists.

He moved on to discussing her support for Focus on the Family, an organization that continues to support therapy that has the goal of changing LGBT people’s sexual orientations and gender identities. DeVos responded that she “fully embrace[s] equality.”

Video is below, and the exchange on conversion therapy begins halfway through.