imp42 Profile Blog Joined November 2010 398 Posts #21 On November 08 2016 14:34 BLinD-RawR wrote:

Blizzard is also really jumpy about people working with their art assets.

yeah we will see about that...

yeah we will see about that... 50 pts Copper League

BLinD-RawR Profile Blog Joined April 2010 ALLEYCAT BLUES 45576 Posts #22 On November 08 2016 14:35 imp42 wrote:

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On November 08 2016 14:27 BigFan wrote:

On November 08 2016 07:56 Jae Zedong wrote:

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?



On November 08 2016 07:42 Blizzard wrote:

Compelling stories. Intense multiplayer. Endless replayability. Qualities that made StarCraft, Warcraft III, and Diablo II the titans of their day. [...] We’re restoring them to glory [...] You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?

You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.



On November 08 2016 11:13 Poly_Optimize wrote:

There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.



2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

On November 08 2016 10:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:

why do we have a new BW HD thread?



wait until something is actually announced.

Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game. There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game.

Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going. You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going.



Ok, I surrender. Ok, I surrender.



I'm not telling you to give up, just give us more substantial stuff than a widescreen mod. I'm not telling you to give up, just give us more substantial stuff than a widescreen mod. Moderator Woo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR

eviltomahawk Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 11023 Posts #23 On November 08 2016 13:28 Probe1 wrote:

Rumor turned out to be rumor, community disappointed. I still contend that little changes have big effects and even having a modern resolution in competitive play would change the game. We don't want the game to change.



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On November 08 2016 08:41 eviltomahawk wrote:

I know they straight-up went on the record at Blizzcon to say that they're NOT remaking Warcraft 1 and Warcraft 2, but hopefully Diablo 2, Brood War, and Warcraft 3 remasters aren't off the table just yet.

Didn't they explicitly say at Blizzcon they're remaking Diablo 1 in the D3 engine?



That kinda puts doubt on D2 remakes. Rumor turned out to be rumor, community disappointed. I still contend that little changes have big effects and even having a modern resolution in competitive play would change the game. We don't want the game to change.Didn't they explicitly say at Blizzcon they're remaking Diablo 1 in the D3 engine?That kinda puts doubt on D2 remakes.

Considering the sheer variety of content in D2, I don't think it was ever going to be viable to remake it in the same way that they're kinda remaking D1 in the D3 engine. However, I still think it's possible that Blizzard still might want to port a set of legacy games to be compatible with Battle.net client. Warcraft 3 background images were datamined from the client a few years ago, yet nothing has come out for it just yet, and of course we still have the job postings. Considering the sheer variety of content in D2, I don't think it was ever going to be viable to remake it in the same way that they're kinda remaking D1 in the D3 engine. However, I still think it's possible that Blizzard still might want to port a set of legacy games to be compatible with Battle.net client. Warcraft 3 background images were datamined from the client a few years ago, yet nothing has come out for it just yet, and of course we still have the job postings. ㅇㅅㅌㅅ

)aguar Profile Joined November 2008 Czech Republic 111 Posts #24 Look. Blizzard is a company earning money. They get any money from remastered of old games? I think no. Why they should make any remaster?

-Archangel- Profile Joined May 2010 Croatia 7416 Posts #25 On November 08 2016 16:11 )aguar wrote:

Look. Blizzard is a company earning money. They get any money from remastered of old games? I think no. Why they should make any remaster?

A bunch of other games being recently remastered says there is money in doing that A bunch of other games being recently remastered says there is money in doing that

abuse Profile Joined April 2011 Latvia 1861 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-08 08:09:02 #26 On November 08 2016 14:27 BigFan wrote:

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On November 08 2016 07:56 Jae Zedong wrote:

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?



On November 08 2016 07:42 Blizzard wrote:

Compelling stories. Intense multiplayer. Endless replayability. Qualities that made StarCraft, Warcraft III, and Diablo II the titans of their day. [...] We’re restoring them to glory [...] You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?

You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.



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On November 08 2016 11:13 Poly_Optimize wrote:

There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.



2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

On November 08 2016 10:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:

why do we have a new BW HD thread?



wait until something is actually announced.

Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game. There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game.

Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going. You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going.



I don't think you guys should get to make the call on when to close a thread just because it has been 'discussed to death'.

As long as people still want to discuss it, they should be free to do this. This is the BW forum.

Also your statement is contradictory, because if it were discussed to death then new threads wouldn't pop up.

Stop trying to silence people plz and let them decide when it's actually discussed to death.



Also, if you guys don't have something new to bring to the discussion, please refrain from bringing the negativity.



@imp that is actually really interesting. It will probably be shut down instantly by blizzard though, but I'm more interested how long did it take to get to this stage, and how long would it take to successfully actually make a BW re-make you think?

I really doubt the previous statements that it would take years, if all the source material is available.



I'm pretty sure nobody here wants an actual re-make. They just want some updates to the already existing game.

I mean it would be terrible if they tried to do the Diablo-esque thing in bw, where they bring BW to the sc2 engine. That's definitely not what the people want. I don't think you guys should get to make the call on when to close a thread just because it has been 'discussed to death'.As long as people still want to discuss it, they should be free to do this. This is the BW forum.Also your statement is contradictory, because if it were discussed to death then new threads wouldn't pop up.Stop trying to silence people plz and let them decide when it's actually discussed to death.Also, if you guys don't have something new to bring to the discussion, please refrain from bringing the negativity.@imp that is actually really interesting. It will probably be shut down instantly by blizzard though, but I'm more interested how long did it take to get to this stage, and how long would it take to successfully actually make a BW re-make you think?I really doubt the previous statements that it would take years, if all the source material is available.I'm pretty sure nobody here wants an actual re-make. They just want some updates to the already existing game.I mean it would be terrible if they tried to do the Diablo-esque thing in bw, where they bring BW to the sc2 engine. That's definitely not what the people want. I don't believe you.

abuse Profile Joined April 2011 Latvia 1861 Posts #27 On November 08 2016 14:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 08 2016 14:35 imp42 wrote:

On November 08 2016 14:27 BigFan wrote:

On November 08 2016 07:56 Jae Zedong wrote:

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?



On November 08 2016 07:42 Blizzard wrote:

Compelling stories. Intense multiplayer. Endless replayability. Qualities that made StarCraft, Warcraft III, and Diablo II the titans of their day. [...] We’re restoring them to glory [...] You don't believe in Blizzard's own words?

You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.



On November 08 2016 11:13 Poly_Optimize wrote:

There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.



2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?

On November 08 2016 07:42 BigFan wrote:

I fail to see the purpose of this thread tbh. Community has known about the SCII options but try as they might, it's not BW HD. Also, rumours are just that, rumors. Once blizzard or a reputable source state that BW HD is coming, then I'll believe it.

On November 08 2016 10:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:

why do we have a new BW HD thread?



wait until something is actually announced.

Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game. There was a Blizzard event during last weekend and I think it is totally normal to speak about highlights and also disappointments.. Many of us wanted to see something about their all time favorite game, but it did not happen. It still remains fun to chat about possible features of a remastered BW.2 posts out of 10 said there should not be any posts about bw hd and they were made by TL Writers. Is it forbidden to pronounce the words Brood War HD?Btw, there is a new thread because the other ones are closed. For me it is totally normal to talk about BW HD. For years, Star Wars fans spent a lot of time to create and imagine stuffs for their favorite movies. It is normal for gamers to do the same with their favorite video game.

Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going. You can interpret those words however you like but they certainly don't mean that BW HD is coming.Other thread was closed because as BR stated, it was discussed to death. There's nothing more to be discussed at this point. Once we have some actual proof that BW HD is in the works (aka reputable source or Blizzard themselves), then it makes sense to keep it going.



Ok, I surrender. Ok, I surrender.



I'm not telling you to give up, just give us more substantial stuff than a widescreen mod. I'm not telling you to give up, just give us more substantial stuff than a widescreen mod.



you should re-read his posts if you think that's all he's offering.

you should re-read his posts if you think that's all he's offering. I don't believe you.

zeo Profile Joined October 2009 Serbia 2382 Posts #28 On November 08 2016 10:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:

why do we have a new BW HD thread?



wait until something is actually announced.

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NickHotS Profile Joined May 2014 United States 105 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-08 09:27:33 #29 never get delayed.



Blizzard gamesget delayed. On November 08 2016 16:11 )aguar wrote:

Look. Blizzard is a company earning money. They get any money from remastered of old games? I think no. Why they should make any remaster?



Blizzard still make money selling their old games. A remaster would certainly be profitable. Blizzard still make money selling their. A remaster would certainly be profitable.

-Archangel- Profile Joined May 2010 Croatia 7416 Posts #30 On November 08 2016 17:06 abuse wrote:





I'm pretty sure nobody here wants an actual re-make. They just want some updates to the already existing game.

I mean it would be terrible if they tried to do the Diablo-esque thing in bw, where they bring BW to the sc2 engine. That's definitely not what the people want.

Well there are multiple versions of BW on Sc2 engine already. And some like Starbow went further to replicate quirks of the BW engine like bad pathfinding or muta stacking when paired with a far away overlord. Well there are multiple versions of BW on Sc2 engine already. And some like Starbow went further to replicate quirks of the BW engine like bad pathfinding or muta stacking when paired with a far away overlord.

Jae Zedong Profile Joined September 2016 399 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-08 10:23:37 #31 Anyone who things Blizzard explicitly stating "we're bringing StarCraft 1 back to glory" on multiple new job postings isn't related to a remake is just making up excuses at this point. I bet you're the same kind of people who were confident Jaedong wasn't returning to BW just because he "officially" denied it for contractual reasons.



It's common practice to read between the lines to find out what's actually going on. No Apple announcement is a surprise nowadays because we already know what's going to be announced with high accuracy. You can keep living in your dream world where everything has to be "official", or you can make the same conclusions everyone else is making.



When Apple filed a patent for touchbars on MacBooks, everyone assumed correctly that they're putting touchbars on the next MacBooks. When Blizzard puts multiple job postings about bringing old games "back to glory", then that's what they're doing. Case closed. Only question is when. Tyrant.

Hotshot Profile Joined November 2004 Canada 178 Posts #32 I think bw hd would be interesting, but a part of me is worried blizzard will ruin it.



The first thing you need to consider is what are they going to do with b.net? bw/war3 bnet has a lot of obvious advantages over sc2 bnet. Many of these advantages are obvious to people who put in thousands of hours into the games, yet blizzard somehow overlooked them and missed even common features in bnet2.0 launch (chat channels and proper layout, watching replays with others, custom UMS names, able to boot people, quick/clean interface, etc). Its 2016 and many of those features are still missing in sc2 bnet.



The second thing to consider is what to change? Fixing bugs like dragoon freezing should be fine, but what about scrab AI, larger viewable area, rally to minerals? Even just one of those changes can theoretically break the balance and that is without even talking about more serious/dangerous 'changes' like being able to select more then 12 units, fixing the valkyrie attack, making the game 3d, better pathfinding, smart casting and auto casting.



And finally we have balance. Scouts/queens are arguable the two worse units in the game. Do you buff them slightly, still making them useless, or do you buff them in a way that might break the balance of the entire game? I am not sure, but these are things to think about if you want something 'fresh' in the game.



Overall if blizzard came up to me and asked what I wanted id say:

1# A good b.net (id give them a list of *USEFUL* features gamers enjoy)

2# A much more powerful map editor (for better UMS maps for those who care about it)

3# A method to watch big tournaments like dota2 (in full 1440p resolution with ability to pick casters).

4# Only fixing safe bugs (like dragoon), and add experiment with safe features (like rally to minerals).

5# Experiment with larger resolution (dangerous).



But even after all that, would scbw be that much more interesting and fun to play? Im sure the core players would benefit a lot, but would it attract a lot more people and keep them interested?

-Archangel- Profile Joined May 2010 Croatia 7416 Posts #33 Actually #1 would be to fix it so it works perfectly on all modern windows, macs and linux.

abuse Profile Joined April 2011 Latvia 1861 Posts #34 On November 08 2016 18:27 -Archangel- wrote:

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On November 08 2016 17:06 abuse wrote:





I'm pretty sure nobody here wants an actual re-make. They just want some updates to the already existing game.

I mean it would be terrible if they tried to do the Diablo-esque thing in bw, where they bring BW to the sc2 engine. That's definitely not what the people want.

Well there are multiple versions of BW on Sc2 engine already. And some like Starbow went further to replicate quirks of the BW engine like bad pathfinding or muta stacking when paired with a far away overlord. Well there are multiple versions of BW on Sc2 engine already. And some like Starbow went further to replicate quirks of the BW engine like bad pathfinding or muta stacking when paired with a far away overlord.



the problem is that people who find this acceptable already play it, so they have no need for it.

And people who do not find that acceptable play BW, and some of them are waiting for BW HD. the problem is that people who find this acceptable already play it, so they have no need for it.And people who do not find that acceptable play BW, and some of them are waiting for BW HD. I don't believe you.

Uni1987 Profile Joined September 2010 Netherlands 640 Posts #35 Like Blizzard gives a shit about a disappointed community..



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Djabanete Profile Blog Joined May 2008 United States 2478 Posts #36 Sorry for being "that guy" who claims inside knowledge and won't name the source, but I spoke with a former Blizzard coder plus friend of family while I was at Blizzcon, and he said that:



(i) They are definitely working on BW HD and have been for a while;

(ii) They are doing it in the SC2 engine, which is apparently very extensible and you can do "almost anything" in it;

(iii) Regarding the bugs and glitches that make BW what it is (I asked about muta stacking/drone drilling/etc.), he said that all of this is game logic and can be replicated. (Whether it will be replicated, he doesn't know.)



So, I think it's going to happen eventually, but it may or may not be soon and it may or may not be an exact reproduction of BW in ways that would matter to a fan of the 2000--2013(?) pro scene.

nighcol Profile Joined January 2012 297 Posts #37 On November 09 2016 01:08 Djabanete wrote:

Sorry for being "that guy" who claims inside knowledge and won't name the source, but I spoke with a former Blizzard coder plus friend of family while I was at Blizzcon, and he said that:



(i) They are definitely working on BW HD and have been for a while;

(ii) They are doing it in the SC2 engine, which is apparently very extensible and you can do "almost anything" in it;

(iii) Regarding the bugs and glitches that make BW what it is (I asked about muta stacking/drone drilling/etc.), he said that all of this is game logic and can be replicated. (Whether it will be replicated, he doesn't know.)



So, I think it's going to happen eventually, but it may or may not be soon and it may or may not be an exact reproduction of BW in ways that would matter to a fan of the 2000--2013(?) pro scene.



Them announcing the Diablo 1 thing on Diablo 3 engine does give some support to the idea that they might be thinking of doing the remaster on SC2 engine after all. I thought they'd be smarter than that and going for something closer to AOE2 HD but maybe not... Them announcing the Diablo 1 thing on Diablo 3 engine does give some support to the idea that they might be thinking of doing the remaster on SC2 engine after all. I thought they'd be smarter than that and going for something closer to AOE2 HD but maybe not...

Jae Zedong Profile Joined September 2016 399 Posts #38 Wow, just wow.



Blizzard thinking they can "replicate" BW in SC2's engine proves they have no idea what they're doing. I just lost all hope for BWHD being good. Tyrant.

eviltomahawk Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 11023 Posts #39 Now I wonder if they're doing it with 3D assets or going with sprites like the Starcrafts mod. ㅇㅅㅌㅅ

Jae Zedong Profile Joined September 2016 399 Posts #40 That mentality of "oh we have this amazing technology, let's use it to its fullest" is exactly why SC2 turned to ****. By default, BW players are not interested in having an SC2 like experience. Keep your slimey hands off of BW if all you can do is shove it into SC2's engine and call it a day. Tyrant.

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