HARRY HOUCK, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: This isn't a one sided argument, we're talking about three different things here. But facts have got to matter. If we're going to make some changes, the police have already recognized the fact that we have some issues that we have to deal with. Alright?



Now the black community has also got to realize that they have some issues that they have to deal with. This is not a one way street here... We've got the incidents in Louisiana and Minneapolis. We don't know what happened there. Especially in Minneapolis. The investigation is still going on. But to come out with the rhetoric that police officers were racists when there is no evidence to indicate that racism was involved, that has got to stop.



And this thing about the disparity of blacks and whites in jail, that has got to stop. I've got statistics right here which will prove me right, in New York City alone, blacks are 23% of the population, they make up 75% of all shootings, 70% of all robberies, and 60% of all violent crime.



Whites only three percent. Now, that is why there are more blacks in jail than there are whites. We look at that statistic and they turn it around, racial demagogues out there, turn it around and say that blacks are being picked on. So the facts and these statistics have to be addressed.



CHRIS CUOMO, CNN: Both can be true right? You deal with the community more because of socioeconomics and criminality, but the question still remains Marc, how you deal with that community.



MARC LAMONT HILL: First Harry talked about the idea of people immediately second guessing the police, the police should be second guessed. They are the public servants and we are the public.



CUOMO: He is saying don't automatically infer the subject is racist.



MARC LAMONT HILL: We have to make that distinction...But because police have not been held accountable, at this point, we're frustrated and don't take their word as gospel right away. With camera phone technology we see they are not always telling the truth.



Second, he says this is racism without any evidence of racism. We did an investigation in Ferguson. There is considerable evidence of racism in Ferguson. So it isn't true that there was no evidence of racism. There are racist emails, racist phone calls, racist practices.



HARRY HOUCK: There were three emails that were racist, correct?



MARC LAMONT HILL: Harry, there's only like 100 people [in the Ferguson PD].



HOUCK: It doesn't matter!



HILL: Harry just went on national TV and said black people are prone to criminality. I want to respond to that.



HOUCK: Well they are!



HILL: You think black people are prone to criminality?



HOUCK: The statistics here show it.



HILL: You can't say that. I'm going to give you a chance here to correct it. You don't mean that black people are prone to criminality?



HOUCK: [pointing to the statistics] What does this say?



HILL: I don't know what that says, but I know what I--



HOUCK: Alright. The [other panelist] can back me up.



HILL: He is not going to go on national TV and say black people are prone to criminality.



HOUCK: I am telling you 75% of people who commit shootings are black.



HILL: I'm hoping you just don't know.



HOUCK: 75% of people, you're responding to something else I'm saying because it goes against your narrative. That's what you do.



HILL: You said black people are prone to criminality!



HOUCK: That's not what I said. I said 75% of shootings that occur in New York City are done by blacks. And you keep trying to talk about this "disproportionate amount for whites and blacks in jail." This is why.

