Hey, kitty girl, RuPaul is reportedly filming a daytime talk-show pilot with the production company behind Ellen. Ru will apply his Drag Race chops as an interviewer and host, talking with celebrities, “giving beauty and glam tips, playing games, and dishing on pop culture,” according to Variety. And he’ll be joined by longtime collaborator and fellow Drag Race judge Michelle Visage.

This will be the second time the duo has hosted a talk show together, after they starred in VH1’s groundbreaking The RuPaul Show, which first aired in 1996. At the time, The RuPaul Show was one of only a few talk-show-style programs with an openly gay host. Though the field has widened since then, it’s still exciting to see Ru, who has achieved mainstream success with Drag Race, in a format that’s been a historically normative one.

It’s especially good news given the other talk-show announcement this week: that Bravo would be launching a talk show composed exclusively of men and hosted by Jerry O’Connell, covering the network’s programming. “Real Men Watch Bravo will offer unprecedented access to the male point of view pertaining to all things Bravo and entertainment,” a statement from the network said. “Whether realizing they were a die-hard Vanderpump Rules fan after being introduced to the sizzling series by their girlfriends or learning how to cook the perfect filet from binging Top Chef episodes for hours, these men are unapologetic Bravoholics and hope to encourage others to step out of the shadows and admit what some have known all along. . . Real Men Watch Bravo.” Never mind that men, including O’Connell, have long been guests on Bravo’s late-night talk show Watch What Happens Live with producer Andy Cohen (also a man)—some of us, namely the women who comprise the majority of Bravo’s audience, don’t need to be told that it’s cool to watch Bravo; we just do it anyway. Do the men of Bravo really need more validation that it’s okay to love competition, backstabbing, messiness, and narcissism? If so, they’ll also need Real Men Watch Sports and Real Men Watch C-SPAN.