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nhark

Edmonton Oilers Location: airdrie, AB

Joined: 10.18.2011



Jun 2 @ 12:31 PM ET If flames were drafting 4th this blog would be about how much better Tkachuk is over Nylander

DuranDuran

Calgary Flames Location: Manta, NT

Joined: 09.29.2015



Jun 2 @ 12:33 PM ET Hopefully they make a decision soon.

DuranDuran

Calgary Flames Location: Manta, NT

Joined: 09.29.2015



Jun 2 @ 12:35 PM ET If flames were drafting 4th this blog would be about how much better Tkachuk is over Nylander

- nhark



Jealous? Jealous?

Todd Cordell

Location: Barrie, ON

Joined: 02.10.2014



Jun 2 @ 12:39 PM ET If flames were drafting 4th this blog would be about how much better Tkachuk is over Nylander

- nhark



Well, I'm not a Flames fan and I've scouted both players countless times. No bias here. Well, I'm not a Flames fan and I've scouted both players countless times. No bias here.

CapeBreton_er

Calgary Flames Location: On a gravy train with biscuit wheels

Joined: 07.04.2014



Jun 2 @ 12:45 PM ET If flames were drafting 4th this blog would be about how much better Tkachuk is over Nylander

- nhark

Nope, it would be all about Dubois because that is who we would be taking at #4.

Nope, it would be all about Dubois because that is who we would be taking at #4.

freelancer

Edmonton Oilers Joined: 09.26.2010



Jun 2 @ 12:47 PM ET Krueger would be an interesting name. Don't know if I would call his time in Edmonton a complete disaster. Sadly the team hasn't finished higher since he was coach (lockout year). However I do think he was very good with the younger players Yak and Schultz played arguably the best hockey of their NHL career so far under him.

sparky

Toronto Maple Leafs Location: Canada

Joined: 07.15.2006



Jun 2 @ 1:09 PM ET If flames were drafting 4th this blog would be about how much better Tkachuk is over Nylander

- nhark



I would take Tkatchuk over Nylander anytime. Nylander may get as many points, maybe even a few more but he doesn't bring the toughness that Tkatchuk also has. I would take Tkatchuk over Nylander anytime. Nylander may get as many points, maybe even a few more but he doesn't bring the toughness that Tkatchuk also has.

DeflatedPucks

Pittsburgh Penguins Location: NYC, NY

Joined: 04.29.2016



Jun 2 @ 1:11 PM ET I would take Tkatchuk over Nylander anytime. Nylander may get as many points, maybe even a few more but he doesn't bring the toughness that Tkatchuk also has.

- sparky





Did someone say toughness? Brian Burke approves Did someone say toughness?Brian Burke approves

all mighty oil

Joined: 11.02.2006



Jun 2 @ 1:32 PM ET Krueger would be an interesting name. Don't know if I would call his time in Edmonton a complete disaster. Sadly the team hasn't finished higher since he was coach (lockout year). However I do think he was very good with the younger players Yak and Schultz played arguably the best hockey of their NHL career so far under him.

- freelancer



Krueger's record is better than other oiler coach in past 10 years, his biggest issue was the dumphuques in mgt. Krueger's record is better than other oiler coach in past 10 years, his biggest issue was the dumphuques in mgt.

The-O-G

Calgary Flames Location: #buyoutbouma

Joined: 11.29.2011



Jun 2 @ 1:43 PM ET Krueger's record is better than other oiler coach in past 10 years, his biggest issue was the dumphuques in mgt.

- all mighty oil



I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!



Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!! I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!!

OilDerek

Edmonton Oilers Location: Red Deer, AB

Joined: 08.26.2007



Jun 2 @ 2:04 PM ET I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!



Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!!

- The-O-G





Yeah... it's hilarious.



The Oilers have long been a terrible, terrible team. This shouldn't be news to anyone.



So here's the deal... Dubnyk, Jultz, and Krueger are ALL the SAME athletes/coaches as they were with the Oilers. They haven't changed or improved in and of themselves... they are just no longer saddled with the burden of playing with a middle of the pack AHL calibre defensive core and the unshakeable feelings of helplessness.



Dubnyk, in my opinion, is a middle of the road starter in this league. He is still shown a propensity to let in garbage goals. He us now playing behind an NHL defensive. The Oilers could not offer that to him.



Jultz ain't no world beater on Pittsburgh. He is playing where he should have been all along... third pairing, 12-14 minutes a night. The Oilers could nit offer that to him.



Krueger style, attitude and message seemed to resonate with the younger players. Some excelled but they were still a horrid team top to bottom. He is special team specialist and there little in his short NHL coaching history to suggest otherwise.



The Oilers failed these people... I'm not sure why this comes as a hilarious surprise to some.



PS. Eakins actually is dog poope.

[/img] Yeah... it's hilarious.The Oilers have long been a terrible, terrible team. This shouldn't be news to anyone.So here's the deal... Dubnyk, Jultz, and Krueger are ALL the SAME athletes/coaches as they were with the Oilers. They haven't changed or improved in and of themselves... they are just no longer saddled with the burden of playing with a middle of the pack AHL calibre defensive core and the unshakeable feelings of helplessness.Dubnyk, in my opinion, is a middle of the road starter in this league. He is still shown a propensity to let in garbage goals. He us now playing behind an NHL defensive. The Oilers could not offer that to him.Jultz ain't no world beater on Pittsburgh. He is playing where he should have been all along... third pairing, 12-14 minutes a night. The Oilers could nit offer that to him.Krueger style, attitude and message seemed to resonate with the younger players. Some excelled but they were still a horrid team top to bottom. He is special team specialist and there little in his short NHL coaching history to suggest otherwise.The Oilers failed these people... I'm not sure why this comes as a hilarious surprise to some.PS. Eakins actually is dog poope.[/img]

FlamesFan1230

Calgary Flames Joined: 02.27.2006



Jun 2 @ 2:14 PM ET I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!



Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!!

- The-O-G





I can see the Sharks coming back and making a series of it and win in 7, and Schultz having flashbacks of being an Oiler and screwing up somehow. I can see the Sharks coming back and making a series of it and win in 7, and Schultz having flashbacks of being an Oiler and screwing up somehow.

flashfire

Joined: 10.02.2006



Jun 2 @ 2:16 PM ET I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!



Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!!

- The-O-G





Todd Mclellan misses the playoffs by a country mile with the Sharks...the next season they are in the cup final Todd Mclellan misses the playoffs by a country mile with the Sharks...the next season they are in the cup final

DuranDuran

Calgary Flames Location: Manta, NT

Joined: 09.29.2015



Jun 2 @ 2:17 PM ET I'm seeing a hilarious trend with the Oil.....Dubnyk moves on to become a legit #1...Schultz playing great for Pitt and gonna win the cup....hell, for all we know Krueger is the next Babcock!!!!



Eakins might not be a bad idea after all!!!

- The-O-G



Dude. Crack kills. Dude. Crack kills.

The-O-G

Calgary Flames Location: #buyoutbouma

Joined: 11.29.2011



Jun 2 @ 2:26 PM ET Dude. Crack kills.

- DuranDuran



Hire Eakins or bust!!!! Hire Eakins or bust!!!!

DuranDuran

Calgary Flames Location: Manta, NT

Joined: 09.29.2015



Jun 2 @ 3:53 PM ET Hire Eakins or bust!!!!

- The-O-G



I think the Avi is starting to infect you, you have contracted terminal Beiberitis.



Pretty soon you will start posting selfies of McDavid with you photoshopped in behind. Then it turns into asking us what kind of hair products you think Nuge prefers. It's a downward spiral where you start to think that Lowe and MacT actually made some smart decisions.



The end result is that you start cheering for the Oilers.



RIP buddy!



Edit: It could have been worse. All TO fans have contracted CelinDionitis. I think the Avi is starting to infect you, you have contracted terminal Beiberitis.Pretty soon you will start posting selfies of McDavid with you photoshopped in behind. Then it turns into asking us what kind of hair products you think Nuge prefers. It's a downward spiral where you start to think that Lowe and MacT actually made some smart decisions.The end result is that you start cheering for the Oilers.RIP buddy!Edit: It could have been worse. All TO fans have contracted CelinDionitis.

Rang

Toronto Maple Leafs Joined: 08.21.2006



Jun 2 @ 6:31 PM ET I have seen both Nylander and Thachuck quite a bit, and agree Nylander has bigger upside with skill and speed.



IF he can handle the rough stuff, which I am not so sure about.





dal_johnson

Calgary Flames Joined: 03.09.2006



Jun 2 @ 7:09 PM ET I don't discount anything that is said about Nylander. The kid has all kinds of skill and will put up numbers in this league.



The problem with him on the Flames is that he will be another top 6 forward that lacks the size and physicality that is a requirement to play in the western conference and especially the Pacific Division.



There are only so many top 6 spots, and three of the Flames are taken already by Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. For this team to go forward they need top 6 talent with a physical edge. They may have to leave a bit on the table in the skill area is it bring that side to the game.



No matter what, with the current playoff format, at some point this team will have to play at least 1 of Anaheim, LA, or San Jose. The only avoidance to that is a wild card spot that crosses to the other division, but to use that as a playoff strategy will not end well.



When they run into one of those physically dominant California teams, in a playoff type game they will be overwhelmed physically and their skill will not get the chance to shine. I'm not saying they were going to beat Anaheim 2 years ago, but this was one of, if not the, major reason that they struggled against them.



They need to add players with size. That can combat against the bigger teams to open up holes, space, and opporuntities for the high skill players. And these bigger players need to be able to hang as a top 6 forward.



I know that it is probably a dream at this stage, but the Flames should pick one of Tkachuk or Dubois over Nylander any chance they get. Granted they may not get that chance. After that I would strongly consider another option over Nylander. Maybe look at he defencemen. If they do draft Nylander, they better take a very hard run at players like Okposo or Lucic in free agency. If not it will just be more of the same should they make the playoffs.



Again it isn't a knock to Nylander. But to put another small skill forward in this mix will not yield the result that is needed.



Kevin R

Calgary Flames Location: Dennis Wideman for president of the Officials Union! Bettman, you better watch your back!!

Joined: 02.10.2010



Jun 2 @ 7:16 PM ET I don't discount anything that is said about Nylander. The kid has all kinds of skill and will put up numbers in this league.



The problem with him on the Flames is that he will be another top 6 forward that lacks the size and physicality that is a requirement to play in the western conference and especially the Pacific Division.



There are only so many top 6 spots, and three of the Flames are taken already by Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett. For this team to go forward they need top 6 talent with a physical edge. They may have to leave a bit on the table in the skill area is it bring that side to the game.



No matter what, with the current playoff format, at some point this team will have to play at least 1 of Anaheim, LA, or San Jose. The only avoidance to that is a wild card spot that crosses to the other division, but to use that as a playoff strategy will not end well.



When they run into one of those physically dominant California teams, in a playoff type game they will be overwhelmed physically and their skill will not get the chance to shine. I'm not saying they were going to beat Anaheim 2 years ago, but this was one of, if not the, major reason that they struggled against them.



They need to add players with size. That can combat against the bigger teams to open up holes, space, and opporuntities for the high skill players. And these bigger players need to be able to hang as a top 6 forward.



I know that it is probably a dream at this stage, but the Flames should pick one of Tkachuk or Dubois over Nylander any chance they get. Granted they may not get that chance. After that I would strongly consider another option over Nylander. Maybe look at he defencemen. If they do draft Nylander, they better take a very hard run at players like Okposo or Lucic in free agency. If not it will just be more of the same should they make the playoffs.



Again it isn't a knock to Nylander. But to put another small skill forward in this mix will not yield the result that is needed.

- dal_johnson

I am actually warming up to the thought of giving Columbus Backlund, #6, #35 & Klimchuk for the #3 & Bobrovsky. That frees up over 4.0 mill of cap space for Columbus.



I am actually warming up to the thought of giving Columbus Backlund, #6, #35 & Klimchuk for the #3 & Bobrovsky. That frees up over 4.0 mill of cap space for Columbus.

fry

Calgary Flames Location: Calgary, AB

Joined: 02.11.2007



Jun 2 @ 7:51 PM ET I am actually warming up to the thought of giving Columbus Backlund, #6, #35 & Klimchuk for the #3 & Bobrovsky. That frees up over 4.0 mill of cap space for Columbus.

- Kevin R



Questions:



Has CLB stated any interest in trading Bobrovski?



What about Bob's nmc?



Does Columbus even give a sh!t about the cap?



Klimchuk isn't worth anything; why include him in the trade?



Do you really want a 7 million dollar starter?



Backlund is awesome and Pulju had a pretty lousy finish to his season; how are we a better team after this trade? In the unlikely chance that the cap works and Bob agrees to waive his nmc. Questions:Has CLB stated any interest in trading Bobrovski?What about Bob's nmc?Does Columbus even give a sh!t about the cap?Klimchuk isn't worth anything; why include him in the trade?Do you really want a 7 million dollar starter?Backlund is awesome and Pulju had a pretty lousy finish to his season; how are we a better team after this trade? In the unlikely chance that the cap works and Bob agrees to waive his nmc.

Saskabush

Calgary Flames Location: Bridge City, SK

Joined: 10.29.2013



Jun 2 @ 8:30 PM ET Questions:



Has CLB stated any interest in trading Bobrovski?



What about Bob's nmc?



Does Columbus even give a sh!t about the cap?



Klimchuk isn't worth anything; why include him in the trade?



Do you really want a 7 million dollar starter?



Backlund is awesome and Pulju had a pretty lousy finish to his season; how are we a better team after this trade? In the unlikely chance that the cap works and Bob agrees to waive his nmc.

- fry



The care about the cap because they only have 3~ mill in space and need to sign Jones and if they keep the pick Pulju. Jones will get a pretty significant raise, and when you factor in bonuses Pulju could end up counting upwards of 4 million against their cap.



I think they are much more likely to try and dump Hartnell or even Foligno before Bobrovsky.



I floated the idea of



6th

our 2nd

Backlund



for



3rd

Hartnell



That would clear another 1 mill to sign Jones, they could keep Nylander (or whomever they pick) in the minors for another year without worrying about paying a huge bonus overage and they get a very good centre with a good contract to help fill the void Johansen left.



We get two immediate pieces for our top 6 (outside of goaltending our biggest need) with one of them having a chance to be the best player on our roster someday.



But I'd be happy with this trade or staying put and selecting Nylander.

The care about the cap because they only have 3~ mill in space and need to sign Jones and if they keep the pick Pulju. Jones will get a pretty significant raise, and when you factor in bonuses Pulju could end up counting upwards of 4 million against their cap.I think they are much more likely to try and dump Hartnell or even Foligno before Bobrovsky.I floated the idea of6thour 2ndBacklundfor3rdHartnellThat would clear another 1 mill to sign Jones, they could keep Nylander (or whomever they pick) in the minors for another year without worrying about paying a huge bonus overage and they get a very good centre with a good contract to help fill the void Johansen left.We get two immediate pieces for our top 6 (outside of goaltending our biggest need) with one of them having a chance to be the best player on our roster someday.But I'd be happy with this trade or staying put and selecting Nylander.

tincup

Calgary Flames Location: AB

Joined: 07.21.2006



Jun 2 @ 9:07 PM ET The safest bet might be to take the Dman. Conroy was on the Fan a couple days ago saying they have a Dman ranking very high. Joulevi, Chychrun ? Might safest to take a top 4 dman.

rmull905

Calgary Flames Joined: 02.27.2007



Jun 2 @ 9:40 PM ET The care about the cap because they only have 3~ mill in space and need to sign Jones and if they keep the pick Pulju. Jones will get a pretty significant raise, and when you factor in bonuses Pulju could end up counting upwards of 4 million against their cap.



I think they are much more likely to try and dump Hartnell or even Foligno before Bobrovsky.



I floated the idea of



6th

our 2nd

Backlund



for



3rd

Hartnell



That would clear another 1 mill to sign Jones, they could keep Nylander (or whomever they pick) in the minors for another year without worrying about paying a huge bonus overage and they get a very good centre with a good contract to help fill the void Johansen left.



We get two immediate pieces for our top 6 (outside of goaltending our biggest need) with one of them having a chance to be the best player on our roster someday.



But I'd be happy with this trade or staying put and selecting Nylander.

- Saskabush



They have 7.2 million in cap space, they are fine

They have 7.2 million in cap space, they are fine