Xanbatou Profile Blog Joined February 2010 United States 805 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-07 18:41:55 #1



As a protoss player, walling your ramp with two buildings and a zealot is pretty standard in ZvP. Every zerg player has experienced the frustration of being unable to bypass the hold position zealot. However, I have played several games over the last month where my zerglings were able to slip by for some reason. At first I attributed it to poor zealot position, but later I discovered that there is actually a way to force zerglings past the hold position zealot. It is very simple too:



1. Get a group of zerglings

2. Run them up the ramp and spam click right next to the zealot. Sometimes this can be hard to do because of various building positions, but you can still do it.

3. Your zerglings will push the zealot out of the way and eventually you can stream lings past and wreak havoc in the base.



Unfortunately, I think this sort of breaks the ZvP matchup =/. The other races can't handle a swarm of zerglings that early on inside their base, so they sort of need that wall. The only counter to this is to make a complete wall with a pylon or something.



Here is the replay:



http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/113532-1v1-terran-unit_test_map#rd:dna



I did it twice. The first test had a zealot with one side to the cliff and one to the building, and the second was with the zealot between two buildings. It is much easier to do this when the zealot has a cliff to his side.

This is the same post as my last one, except now I have a replay:As a protoss player, walling your ramp with two buildings and a zealot is pretty standard in ZvP. Every zerg player has experienced the frustration of being unable to bypass the hold position zealot. However, I have played several games over the last month where my zerglings were able to slip by for some reason. At first I attributed it to poor zealot position, but later I discovered that there is actually a way to force zerglings past the hold position zealot. It is very simple too:1. Get a group of zerglings2. Run them up the ramp and spam click right next to the zealot. Sometimes this can be hard to do because of various building positions, but you can still do it.3. Your zerglings will push the zealot out of the way and eventually you can stream lings past and wreak havoc in the base.Unfortunately, I think this sort of breaks the ZvP matchup =/. The other races can't handle a swarm of zerglings that early on inside their base, so they sort of need that wall. The only counter to this is to make a complete wall with a pylon or something.Here is the replay:I did it twice. The first test had a zealot with one side to the cliff and one to the building, and the second was with the zealot between two buildings. It is much easier to do this when the zealot has a cliff to his side.

EtherealDeath Profile Blog Joined July 2007 United States 8294 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-07 18:39:40 #2 jesus please tell me your are kidding, watching rep now and praying.



edit - holy shit it is true fml

hifriend Profile Blog Joined June 2009 China 6966 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-07 18:41:33 #3 I'm testing this now doesn't seem to work.. going to watch your replay.



I guess it only works if the zealot is by the ledge, but not if you do a typical wall in with core and gate on either sides of the zealot?

Tabbris Profile Blog Joined June 2010 Bangladesh 2785 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-07 18:39:34 #4 Wtf if this is true..... Oh lord

j0k3r Profile Blog Joined September 2010 United States 577 Posts #5 Ive had lings run past hold position zealots before, wrecked my day. However most zergs see the zealot and don't engage it because they think they'll never get through... not entirely true depending on how the zealot is positioned.

dolpiff Profile Joined June 2010 France 300 Posts #6 if its true itll be patched quickly..or we will see ActionJesuses everywhere

knL Profile Blog Joined June 2010 Germany 400 Posts #7 just saw the replay... looks pretty legit - glad iam terran :O

Surykatek Profile Joined September 2010 Poland 9 Posts #8 great one. I hope it wont be fixed as a bug.

GL HF

Scio Profile Joined July 2010 Germany 411 Posts #9 some things better be undiscovered forever......THATS ONE OF THEM!!!!

"Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis

Xanbatou Profile Blog Joined February 2010 United States 805 Posts #10 On December 08 2010 03:38 hifriend wrote:

I'm testing this now doesn't seem to work.. going to watch your replay.



I guess it only works if the zealot is by the ledge, but not if you do a typical wall in with core and gate on either sides of the zealot?



I thought people might raise that point, so the second part of the replay has me doing it with a zealot between a gateway and a cybercore. I thought people might raise that point, so the second part of the replay has me doing it with a zealot between a gateway and a cybercore.

Azide Profile Joined March 2010 Canada 566 Posts #11 not sure why you would post this on a popular forum if its indeed true. now we're gonna get raped. if you were a zerg player i could understand....



shoulda just submitted it to blizz if anything Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!

Jettster Profile Joined July 2009 United States 72 Posts #12 I'm pretty sure there was a huge thread discussing this a couple of months ago but, I can't find it. Basically, I think this is only true if the zealot is not placed in the same orientation as the space it's taking up on the building grid. The zealot also has to be in the perfect spot or else it'll let lings in when it turns to attack them. It's not who you play, it's how you play.

Donger Profile Joined October 2009 United States 144 Posts #13

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115683 This was discovered in early beta.

cartofu Profile Joined May 2010 Romania 15 Posts #14 What about a roach wall?

Scio Profile Joined July 2010 Germany 411 Posts #15 On December 08 2010 03:42 Azide wrote:

not sure why you would post this on a popular forum if its indeed true. now we're gonna get raped. if you were a zerg player i could understand....



shoulda just submitted it to blizz if anything



lol especially if he is a zerg he shouldnt have post it. then he could have abused it forever without people reporting it^^

lol especially if he is a zerg he shouldnt have post it. then he could have abused it forever without people reporting it^^ "Did you know that in the original batman movie they casted nestea as joker but when batman threw him into the acid he was fine so they had to recast it with Jack Nicholson......it's a true fact" -Artosis

Xanbatou Profile Blog Joined February 2010 United States 805 Posts #16 On December 08 2010 03:43 Donger wrote:

This was discovered in early beta.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115683 This was discovered in early beta.



Ah. My bad, I tried searching for it, but my search terms didn't bring up anything. Ah. My bad, I tried searching for it, but my search terms didn't bring up anything.

omgbbq2 Profile Joined August 2010 Canada 165 Posts #17 HAHA TIME TO RAPE ZVP WITH SPEEDLINGS UNTIL THEY PATCH

ALPINA Profile Joined May 2010 3791 Posts #18 Well just build one more zealot, zerg needs ton of lings to do that anyway You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity

EtherealDeath Profile Blog Joined July 2007 United States 8294 Posts #19 On December 08 2010 03:43 Jettster wrote:

I'm pretty sure there was a huge thread discussing this a couple of months ago but, I can't find it. Basically, I think this is only true if the zealot is not placed in the same orientation as the space it's taking up on the building grid. The zealot also has to be in the perfect spot or else it'll let lings in when it turns to attack them.



What do you mean "same orientation"? What do you mean "same orientation"?

Krigwin Profile Blog Joined August 2010 1130 Posts #20 Is there a way for the P player to test this? Like, spamming right click with a second zealot to see if he can get past the wall? Or will that not work because of the zergling's incredibly small unit model?

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