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Sr. MemberActivity: 272Merit: 250 Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! April 05, 2016, 02:44:41 PM #12372 Yeah, that's what I was going to say, they will pay these guys $400/hour each out of the Cryptsy money, not government money.

If Paul Vernon actually had a couple million of his own money left, that will pay for the lawyers and receivers and liquid capital that was of the company.



$400/hour is not a lot, it's about the hourly going rate of a mid range decent attorney these days. If you've been to court like me, you've easily paid a lawyer $300-400 an hour.

That money will be locked up for quite a while, if Vernon doesn't have the privkeys to "hack" the UNO as well. You never know, once the price gets too sweet for him with his Chinese girlfriend he may need to cash out coins he can reach to stay on the lam.



As for the Protanium/testnet discussion: Yes, it's true the testnet could need an entire reset at any time should there need to be some heavy testing on it. I thought everyone was aware of that, it being a testnet, but I can so how that would piss people off if they had money involved. Yes, inherently a testnet should actually have no value. If you try to monetize BTCs testnet, they just reset it on purpose.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 272Merit: 250 Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! April 06, 2016, 04:22:25 AM #12376 Quote from: FallingKnife on April 05, 2016, 11:01:00 PM Re UNO Testnet/PR - worst that happens is that it gets reset in a future wallet, and you can no longer access your Testnet3/PR through the UNO wallet.



You'd use the PR client instead. If he ever needs a Uno testnet because he can't work on PR, BW will create a genesis block for a new testnet and compile a new client. Testnet3/PR has long run off down the road as its own thing. It won't simply evaporate by resetting it, because there is a network and nodes that have arrived at consensus... they won't just immediately wipe out the entire blockchain and sync to block 1 of testnet4. You'd have to take down the entire network (which admittedly, might not be too difficult).



Anyway... its not a big deal to me. Its just another piece of UNO's interesting history.



I hope someone is writing all these adventures down. I'd be the first to buy the book, "The Unabridged History of Unobtanium." Chapter 26: Prototanium.



Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.



To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all. Well FallingKnife, it doesn't actually work like that. Once you reset the blockchain, you reset it all the way. Meaning, everyone who had PRO coins would all have 0 balance, back to block one. So, anyone that puts money into it, or trades it, loses all they had no matter what once the blockchain has been reset. And yes, that really is the point of the testnet, to just wipe it and start over if need be, not that it has been recently reset, but with testing and development it will need to be reset.To really clarify the best I can: Yes, it does all simply evaporate by resetting it. Yes, there are nodes, they would all start from block 1 again. If you wanted to keep the coins and preserve the blockchain, you'd need to fork the testnet again and then it's no longer UNOs testnet, it becomes Prototanium as an entire new coin. In effect, that does actually just create another cloned premined coin as well. So, not a good idea at all.

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My biggest issue with proto was the fucking stupid "oh i have something you guys are going to love" billing of it. Like it was something to get excited about. Yeah, like 4 people here are really into coding and shit like that and can actually utilize the test net. For the masses that announcement was nothing. It was just a gui, most likely adapted from the current wallet onto the test net. It never should have had any type of fanfare. It should have been a footnote in the readme file, " testnet wallet is included for those who can use it" , done and over with.



You mean i can do anything i can do on the Uno network, but on the testnet, without risking my Uno, possibly losing some, and driving the value up for the remaining Uno? Why would anyone want anyone to do such a thing



In the end it doesn't matter. It would be like worrying about how every crap coin that came out after Uno is a threat to Uno. The more we worry about things of little consequence the more it seems like we have less to offer.



If Uno could stand on it's own merit it wouldn't be concerned about proto detracting from it. That has to be the message some people read from all this shit. I don't disagree with the line of thought RDD is on, but either the chain is vaporized and all the coins are gone, or the chain is forked and it lives on in infamy. It isn't going to happen both ways. I really believe that even if the testnet was vaporized that someone would keep a node running and bam, it is just a fork, as you said.My biggest issue with proto was the fucking stupid "oh i have something you guys are going to love" billing of it. Like it was something to get excited about. Yeah, like 4 people here are really into coding and shit like that and can actually utilize the test net. For the masses that announcement was nothing. It was just a gui, most likely adapted from the current wallet onto the test net. It never should have had any type of fanfare. It should have been a footnote in the readme file, " testnet wallet is included for those who can use it" , done and over with.You mean i can do anything i can do on the Uno network, but on the testnet, without risking my Uno, possibly losing some, and driving the value up for the remaining Uno? Why would anyone want anyone to do such a thingIn the end it doesn't matter. It would be like worrying about how every crap coin that came out after Uno is a threat to Uno. The more we worry about things of little consequence the more it seems like we have less to offer.If Uno could stand on it's own merit it wouldn't be concerned about proto detracting from it. That has to be the message some people read from all this shit.

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