User Info: Baha05 Baha05 1 year ago #41 emagdnE posted...

What a silly thing to say

To a brand loyal mindlessly obedient fanboy, maybe.



But in other industries, there's a saying: the customer is always right.



And if you can't learn that, I doubt you're going to hold a job very well. Unless you're getting paid to defend Nintendo.....



You sure as hell can't run a business with that attitude.



http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/06/pokemon_was_the_second_most_pre-ordered_title_at_gamestop_during_e3

It would have been first if it wasn't for the culling. Mario and Pokémon are the only two franchises bigger than CoD in this day and age.



And yet.....

And yet that term has lost all meaning. "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" And yet that term has lost all meaning.

User Info: PsychoWolfX PsychoWolfX 1 year ago #42 Love conquers everything ... except knives, swords, axes, guns, spears, fists, rocks, strong gusts of wind, and/or dangerous wild animals. We'll see how "dead" it is 10 years from now.

User Info: Rixgear Rixgear 1 year ago #43 otischugach posted...

I've been posting thoughts about who is to blame for the steady degradation of the Pokemon series, considering Gamefreak, TPC, and Nintendo. But those posts leave out one very important consideration: the fans.



Ultra Sun/Moon was a slap in the face to anyone who bought Sun/Moon, but this trend started with Emerald, and fans bought a brand new game with slight upgrades anyways.



Let's Go was a Beta game: 151 Pokemon without even including evolutionary lines; irritatingly simplistic UI; the barest minimum online support; 0 postgame. Fans bought the game anyways, for double the price than the 3DS games that still served as the competitive standard.



And now that Masuda has admitted that they will never again produce a complete Pokemon game, the fans comments here, on Twitter, and on Reddit are depressing AF.



People either defend the decision or STILL don't believe Masuda! So many people are saying, "I trust Masuda to eventually bring all the Pokemon to Sword and Shield," despite his multiple confirmations that this WILL NOT HAPPEN.



People say that the critical fans are "entitled" for wanting to make sure THEIR MONEY is well spent.



People justify the experience with countless excuses (apologist bingo).



It doesn't make sense to me. The criticism is meant to protect their monetary investment as well. If people refrained from buying Sword and Shield, it would at least force GF to reveal whether they really do have an enhanced version in the works. And if they do, that saves everyone from having to buy the incomplete initial version (one of GF's deceptive tricks that is pretty abusive to their fans).



An initial boycott of the games could also force them to provide Home's services for free (something Nintendo did with NSO at first), which could lessen the pain of keeping a useless collection.



The criticism is MEANT to uphold the quality of the games and keep the relationship between consumer/producer fair, which have steadily declined, and yet people's overwhelming belief is: "If you are a true fan, you will give TPC your money. No questions asked."



I think back to when Samsung Galaxies started catching fire, and people on Twitter either blasted Samsung or blasted the criticism with the same "entitlement" remarks. Same thing when Apple was exposed for purposely degrading battery life on older phones. People said on Reddit: "Appreciate current technology and stop complaining."



We live in an era where you should be grateful corporations accept your money, apparently. Now if YOU were TPC/Nintendo/GF, would you lose sleep trying to develop a quality game when you have such "loyal fans"?

I understand your point.



But this is the first big release of Pokemon on a console that plays like the mainline games.



The Switch install base is large and growing. People will buy this game on name alone. People who are even unaware of the changes. People who only play through the game casually with no interest in collecting it all.



It doesn't really matter what anyone does to criticize or boycott.. it's too big of a name to send any real message.



Social media can only help so much, but in Pokemon's case.. it's gonna sell, and sell tons. Proud owner of all consoles. Nintendo ID- Ragebit, Steam- Rixgear

PSN- OneLibra, Gamertag- Ragebit, 3DSFC- 2793-0608-4349 I understand your point.But this is the first big release of Pokemon on a console that plays like the mainline games.The Switch install base is large and growing. People will buy this game on name alone. People who are even unaware of the changes. People who only play through the game casually with no interest in collecting it all.It doesn't really matter what anyone does to criticize or boycott.. it's too big of a name to send any real message.Social media can only help so much, but in Pokemon's case.. it's gonna sell, and sell tons.

User Info: FlameHAZE89 FlameHAZE89 1 year ago #44 soothsayer posted...

USUM was a slap in the face despite being part of a trend since gen 1? Okay. It's on personal taste whether you liked it or not but it was hardly a slap in the face as you make it out to be. Funnily enough I bet you were one of the people clamoring for a Z version and got upset when it didn't happen lol.



Pokemon Go was an experiment and a financially very successful one. Is it my type of pokemon game? No, but I argue it was a bigger success than the mystery dungeon and Ranger games which could be seen as similar experiments.



I'm not defending SWSH's missteps but this fickle turning on GF comes off as serious entitlement from fans more than anything else and it's extremely petty. The whole YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN IF YOU AREN'T AS MAD ABOUT THIS AS I AM is eyerollingly stupid.



As are the people that don't care about the national dex but are acting needlessly aggressive towards those that do. We've got idiots on both sides of the fence. As are the people that don't care about the national dex but are acting needlessly aggressive towards those that do. We've got idiots on both sides of the fence.

User Info: soothsayer soothsayer 1 year ago #45 As someone who works in retail, "the customer is always right" is bulls*** and breeds entire generations of entitled crybabies who think everyone they buy from needs to treat them like royalty, an attitude I'm noticing from some fans over SWSH.



I'm all for treating consumers with respect but at the same time don't let them run things because they're too fickle and ignorant of what actually goes into delivering the products they consume. It's never as easy as simply giving them what they want.



There's plenty of times where the customer isn't right and needs to realize that.

User Info: otischugach otischugach (Topic Creator) 1 year ago #46



Objectively, ultra sun/moon were good games. It was just s***ty to sell sun/moon first without an indication that in one year the “complete” version would replace it.



That practice is at least forgivable considering the games were only $40/each and contained EVERY POKÉMON! Pulling that s*** on $60 Switch games is not at all consumer-friendly. "That beautiful form so long resting at peace within the azure sea!"

Switch FC: SW-5220-5407-7915 @meznu is my favorite person on this board: rational, logical, and articulate. Who are you???Objectively, ultra sun/moon were good games. It was just s***ty to sell sun/moon first without an indication that in one year the “complete” version would replace it.That practice is at least forgivable considering the games were only $40/each and contained EVERY POKÉMON! Pulling that s*** on $60 Switch games is not at all consumer-friendly.

User Info: Baha05 Baha05 1 year ago #47 soothsayer posted...

As someone who works in retail, "the customer is always right" is bulls*** and breeds entire generations of entitled crybabies who think everyone they buy from needs to treat them like royalty, an attitude I'm noticing from some fans over SWSH.



I'm all for treating consumers with respect but at the same time don't let them run things because they're too fickle and ignorant of what actually goes into delivering the products they consume. It's never as easy as simply giving them what they want.



There's plenty of times where the customer isn't right and needs to realize that.

This "He may be Mr. Clean, but his soul will always be dirty!" This

User Info: Mastadi Mastadi 1 year ago #48 Baha05 posted...

emagdnE posted...

What a silly thing to say

To a brand loyal mindlessly obedient fanboy, maybe.



But in other industries, there's a saying: the customer is always right.



And if you can't learn that, I doubt you're going to hold a job very well. Unless you're getting paid to defend Nintendo.....



You sure as hell can't run a business with that attitude.



http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2019/06/pokemon_was_the_second_most_pre-ordered_title_at_gamestop_during_e3

It would have been first if it wasn't for the culling. Mario and Pokémon are the only two franchises bigger than CoD in this day and age.



And yet.....

And yet that term has lost all meaning.

Yeah, because of customers who aren't just willing but are outright eager to buy and praise sub-par products, just because of brand loyalty. 3DS FC: 2810-3603-6198 | Ultra Sun TSV: 2299 | Moon TSV: 4058

IGN: Mastadi | Gen 7 Trading List: https://bit.ly/2N1PSbI Yeah, because of customers who aren't just willing but are outrightto buy and praise sub-par products, just because of brand loyalty.

User Info: Plasmas Plasmas 1 year ago #49 soothsayer posted...

As someone who works in retail, "the customer is always right" is bulls*** and breeds entire generations of entitled crybabies who think everyone they buy from needs to treat them like royalty, an attitude I'm noticing from some fans over SWSH.



I'm all for treating consumers with respect but at the same time don't let them run things because they're too fickle and ignorant of what actually goes into delivering the products they consume. It's never as easy as simply giving them what they want.



There's plenty of times where the customer isn't right and needs to realize that.

I agree, but dexit is not one of those times Merlin: Remember to believe in magic... or I'll kill you. I agree, but dexit is not one of those times