Denuvo Argument Facts (Mania)

True anti-Denuvo arguments

It can cause a game to expire



It's a second layer DRM



It makes single player games need internet multiple times after installation



It takes time and money that could have been used to make the game better



It can cause performance problem.

I said can not does because it depends on how it was implemented.

cause performance problem.

False anti-Denuvo arguments

It destroys SSDs



It makes modding impossible



Only people that are pro-Denuvo are paid or trolls

True Pro-Denuvo arguments

It's Publishers choice



It protects longer than other DRM

False Pro-Denuvo arguments

Only pirates complain about Denuvo



Denuvo doesn't affect paying customer



Denuvo doesn't get pirated (some people deny it like it goes against their religion)

True anti-Denuvo arguments

Denuvo was formed through the management buyout of Sony DADC DigitalWorks (creators of SecuROM).



It is difficult to know if it is there without the publishers disclosing it.



Its effectiveness is in decline



The Xbox one had something similar on release requiring internet connection periodically but was removed after complaints about it.



It will have outlived its usefulness once a game gets cracked



Denuvo in addition to the negatives, adds nothing to the game for the paying consumer in return



The usage of Denuvo isn't shown on physical copies, only the primary DRM(Origin, Uplay, Steam) is



A EU study found that video game piracy might not decrease sales but may actually increase them

Soruce https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf

Also it was suppressed; https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/09/the-eu-suppressed-a-300-page-study-that-found-piracy-doesnt-harm-sales/

Denuvo can cause some antivirus programs to flag and delete the game executable



A corrupted activation file can cause the game to crash until either the activation file is deleted or is rendered invalid or expired



Denuvo uses old news stories from years ago to falsely advertise it's strength



The type of publisher that uses Denuvo are the type that aren't likely to approve a update to fix a old game that has become unplayable because of software issues

Some might but likely most won't



False anti-Denuvo arguments

You need to be always be online



It makes Oculus Rift VR games incompatible with HTC Vive



Denuvo stops games from supporting Linux or OS X



Denuvo is malware



Denuvo's predecessor SecuROM is blocked on Windows 10



Everyone who corrects misinformation about Denuvo is Pro-Denuvo



Everything wrong with a game that has Denuvo is Denuvo's fault

True Pro-Denuvo arguments

It's invisible untill a problem happens.

False Pro-Denuvo arguments

I don't have a problem so everyone with a problem is wrong



People who complain about Denuvo have autism.



Steam is the same as Denuvo



People that are having zero problems have no right to complain



You can play offline indefinitely after launching the game once



Denuvo makes pirates buy the game instead of pirating it



Denuvo protects games without any limitation on the legitimate user.



It doesn't matter if Denuvo makes games expire since digital versions of games on consoles will expire

I decided to make a thread for something I did in another thread about the arguments on both sides that are true and false.Just for a little clarity, hopefully making it so I don't have to get asked about it again.For this thread Anti-Denuvo arguments are any argument against the inclusion or for the removal of Denuvo while Pro-Denuvo arguments are any argument for the inclusion or against the removal of Denuvo.OriginalIf you have proof for a argument or proof to discredit a argument on either side feel free to post it, I might look at it and if I find it believable I might put it on here in the appropriate category below.The stuff above are things I know or have found to be in the category I put them in and will not change them but as I get more factual or nonfactual arguments I will put them in the appropriate categories below.Edit:Added after starting the threadPS: I'm not gonna even pay any attention to post by trolls I've seen and argued with in other threads unless you actually give me a good source that isn't from a bias site for proof.Edit:Also anyone who wants help knowing if a game has Denuvo, there is a curator group that does informational reviews when a game has Denuvo or has had it removed. http://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/?appid=493840 Thanks goes to Jenoh for reminding me about the group.Edit: The Sonic Forces thread.