In their previous debate, McCain wouldn't even look at Obama. This time, he was friendlier, but also at times seemed to convey barely concealed disdain for his younger rival. "Did we hear the size of the fine?" he said, needling Obama for not answering the question of how much he would fine businesses and individuals for not having health insurance under his reform plan. "Nailing down Sen. Obama's tax proposals is like nailing jello to a wall," he said at another point.