Amanda: I’m just going to jump right in here. I’ve always admired the way that you’ve held yourself. I never told you this, but since I first met you, you were always my secret mentor. *laughs* It’s dorky but true. I would sometimes ask myself, “What would Mary do?” when I was facing a hard decision that had to do with my career.

Mary: Little do you know I don’t know anything.

A: *laughs* But I've always felt like you've had a really strong sense of who you are and what you stand for. Even when you were younger you had a strong sense of that and I just wonder where that comes from because I think that it’s very unique in our industry.

M: That’s interesting. I mean it’s so nice to hear you say that. I feel like looking back on it I was just flailing through everything and figuring things out as I went and it's funny to think that people saw me that way because I really had no idea what I was doing. I think for the most part everything turned out really well so I can't say that I made any decisions that I regretted but I think I always came from a place of feeling like there was a certain confidence in what I was doing and knowing that it was going to work out which I'm not really sure that was either stupidity or naivety or something on my part. And I think some of it was.