MLG_Adam Profile Joined July 2010 United States 925 Posts #1 After extensive investigation, review of the video files and 2011 Pro Circuit rules, we have determined that the replay had no impact on the tournament flow or the match results. Build orders are displayed at the end of a match on the stats screen. So the replay that was viewed would have revealed nothing the match stats page would not have revealed otherwise.



Additionally, to clarify, the Complexity manager was allowed in the booth, accompanied by MLG staff, after the match had started in order to keep the game in motion after a discrepancy with his player that would have impacted the continuation of the game. Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC

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sraelgaiznaer Profile Joined October 2010 Philippines 320 Posts #2 thanks for this. hopefully the drama related to this issue stops.

Choboo Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Sweden 2088 Posts #3 Thx for confirming what everyone already knew ^_^ Of course watching the replay wouldn't give any more information since he had already scouted him SaSe fan club manager

Fandango Profile Joined October 2011 291 Posts #4 Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?

Nosferatos Profile Joined April 2010 Norway 783 Posts #5 Thank god there was no more drama with this, Thanks MLG. "Show me the Raven" ~ HMS turns into a mini-nuke, going twice as fast and doing 250 damage over a large area.

tnud Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Sweden 2229 Posts #6

Naniwa interview regarding the match!

Watch if you still don't trust him. Naniwa interview regarding the match!Watch if you still don't trust him. - ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.

MLG_Adam Profile Joined July 2010 United States 925 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-20 16:07:22 #7 On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. Twitter: MrAdamAp

Seiniyta Profile Joined May 2010 Belgium 1798 Posts #8 On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



To be fair, if a employee makes such a blunder he probably just wants to save his own skin by denying it. It's not nice, but I can see why he did it. Maybe for next time state if it's cross position only in the map name? like MLG Shattered Temple CO (cross-only) ? and NCP (no close positions) so both players and admins can know right away. Now it's a guessing game at times wiht so many versions of a map. To be fair, if a employee makes such a blunder he probably just wants to save his own skin by denying it. It's not nice, but I can see why he did it. Maybe for next time state if it's cross position only in the map name? like MLG Shattered Temple CO (cross-only) ? and NCP (no close positions) so both players and admins can know right away. Now it's a guessing game at times wiht so many versions of a map. Pokemon Master

aderum Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Sweden 1363 Posts #9 Okay thanks for clearing it up. Now lets move on and cheer for naniwa who plays like a real champion this MLG! Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane

turamn Profile Blog Joined October 2010 United States 1318 Posts #10 On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.

Seiniyta Profile Joined May 2010 Belgium 1798 Posts #11 On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that ) on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that Pokemon Master

MLG_Adam Profile Joined July 2010 United States 925 Posts #12 On November 21 2011 01:08 Seiniyta wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that ) on the site (I haven't checked today) it still stated that Shakuras Plateau was cross map only... (I could have misread too, it was around 3-4 am when I checked that





Link? Link? Twitter: MrAdamAp

Jiddra Profile Joined October 2010 Sweden 2657 Posts #13 And the drama takes a new turn I am not young enough to know everything.

Exarl25 Profile Joined November 2010 1887 Posts #14 On November 21 2011 01:00 MLG_Adam wrote:

Moving forward, we will look at rules outlawing any replay views on a tournament PC





Why? No tournament I know of has any rules against this. I have got absolutely no idea why people assumed MLG did.



This has never been an issue before, don't go changing your rules just because /r/starcraft is an idiotic bandwagon. Why? No tournament I know of has any rules against this. I have got absolutely no idea why people assumed MLG did.This has never been an issue before, don't go changing your rules just because /r/starcraft is an idiotic bandwagon.

MLG_Adam Profile Joined July 2010 United States 925 Posts #15 On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.





I'm not saying anyone lied. I'm saying there was an obvious miscommunication concerning an ambiguous question concerning general map spawns. I'm not saying anyone lied. I'm saying there was an obvious miscommunication concerning an ambiguous question concerning general map spawns. Twitter: MrAdamAp

Yonnua Profile Blog Joined October 2011 United Kingdom 2310 Posts #16 On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.



Exactly, why would Nani say an admin told him if one didn't? Surely he'd just say "isn't it cross only?" rather than that an admin said it. I reckon some minor official at MLG mistakenly told him and doesn't want to admit to it. Exactly, why would Nani say an admin told him if one didn't? Surely he'd just say "isn't it cross only?" rather than that an admin said it. I reckon some minor official at MLG mistakenly told him and doesn't want to admit to it. LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO

Tabbris Profile Blog Joined June 2010 Bangladesh 2785 Posts #17 Reddit Over reacting again -.-

Jiddra Profile Joined October 2010 Sweden 2657 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-20 16:12:51 #18 On November 21 2011 01:10 MLG_Adam wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.





I'm not saying anyone lied. I'm saying there was an obvious miscommunication concerning an ambiguous question concerning general map spawns. I'm not saying anyone lied. I'm saying there was an obvious miscommunication concerning an ambiguous question concerning general map spawns.



"lost in translation", case closed. Lets watch some epic finals today! "lost in translation", case closed. Lets watch some epic finals today! I am not young enough to know everything.

hugman Profile Joined June 2009 Sweden 4638 Posts #19 Do the rules state that you can't watch replays of aborted games?

Zalithian Profile Joined June 2011 514 Posts #20 On November 21 2011 01:10 Yonnua wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 21 2011 01:08 turamn wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:06 MLG_Adam wrote:

On November 21 2011 01:04 Fandango wrote:

Where's the investigation into the admin who told Naniwa it was cross positions only then later denied it when it turned out it wasn't?



The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.



There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event. The admin didn't tell him that, I know because I was standing right there. Why wouldn't a player playing in a National Championship know where the spawns were? He chose the map, it is his responsibility to know the intricacies involved.There is responsibility on the players to know the settings they are competing on. The maps were not published the day of the event.



So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs. So, you're basically saying he lied for whatever reason to achieve whatever goal? I don't know that this makes any sense and it would seem MLG has more face to save than Naniwa by trying to convince the public that their guy was right, but whatevs.



Exactly, why would Nani say an admin told him if one didn't? Surely he'd just say "isn't it cross only?" rather than that an admin said it. I reckon some minor official at MLG mistakenly told him and doesn't want to admit to it. Exactly, why would Nani say an admin told him if one didn't? Surely he'd just say "isn't it cross only?" rather than that an admin said it. I reckon some minor official at MLG mistakenly told him and doesn't want to admit to it.



Surely an MLG official would lie to cover their ass, but Naniwa would not lie to cover his.



The logic here is astounding. Surely an MLG official would lie to cover their ass, but Naniwa would not lie to cover his.The logic here is astounding.

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