But it was more of an effort to do a couple of things. A few things were happening at that time. I was becoming more interested in bondage and actively tying people. I was becoming more interested in photography and taking some good pictures, and at the same time I had lived in Dallas for quite a while, but I continued to struggle finding my way downtown. So it kind of was confluence of things - meeting people, finding my way in town, taking pictures, and tying people up, so it just sprouted from that. Maybe I meet some like-minded people, ask them if I can take their picture, and the first time it was like “Hey, here’s my idea. I want to tie you up and take pictures of you downtown.” They kind of laughed and said, “I don’t think so.” Then I hired a model and there were a couple of brave souls who said, “Yeah that sounds fun. Do you mind if I bring my photographer?” or boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever, and I always said, “Yeah yeah that’s cool, bring them. They’ll be look outs.” So that’s kind of how it started.

After a while people realized that they wouldn’t end up in my freezer, and this is a real thing, and “He’s got this art project.” It became much easier.

Do you have people seeking you out now? Do you have rope models seeking you out and asking you to tie them up and take pictures of them?

It happens sometimes. Everything has an ebb and flow to it. Nowadays if I post an interesting picture in an interesting location, then it tends to interest people and creates some buzz. Eventually somebody will say, “Hey I have a friend that’s interested and you should talk to them.” But if I'm busy and don’t post anything for a while, then sometimes I end up saying, “Hey I have an idea. Let’s get together and do this thing and so sometimes I ask, sometimes they ask.