This is a controversial episode of The West Wing, and one that falls outside the regular storyline of the show. We hash out our conflicting opinions to find some common ground. We're also joined by Ajay Naidu to discuss his role as Rakim Ali. And we talk to former White House Press Secretary Mike McCurry, who is now a Professor of Theology; in the spirit of this episode, it's a Jew, an atheist, and a Methodist having a conversation about religion, politics, and pluralism.

Bonus: we have a lot of fun recording our ads, you can probably tell. We wanted to share the full exchange we had recording this week's Blue Apron ad here; it was too long and ridiculous to put in the episode in its entirety.