Raining debris at Indian Lake What really happened to Flight 93 John Doe II Friday 11 March 2005



 The paper debris eight miles away, the FBI says, was wafted away by a

10mph wind; the jet-engine part flew 2,000 yards on account of the savage

force of the plane's impact with the ground. The FBI conclusion: "Nothing

was found that was inconsistent with the plane going into the ground intact. "

http://www.world-action.co.uk/independent.html



But the journalist has his doubts:

Aviation experts I have contacted are very doubtful about this. One expert

expresses astonishment at the notion that the letters and other papers

would have remained airborne for almost one hour before falling to earth.

http://www.world-action.co.uk/independent.html





And most likely hes right.

The wind would have needed 10 minutes (given the speed of 9 or 10 mph)

to blow the debris from the crash site to Indian Lake Marina. But there

is not a single eyewitness that supports the official explanation. Some

see the debris raining down on the lake before, some right after the

crash and some within minutes after the crash. Nobody speaks of ten

minutes.



Moreover the official explanation is put to rest with the fact that also debris much heavier than paper was found:

Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville said they found clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. 

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010914scene0914p2.asp



By

Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina.

Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats , small chunks of melted plastic and checks.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/search/s_12967.html



And watching the video from webfairy one realizes that also the

direction of the wind wasnt east, southeast as officially claimed (and

as necessary to somehow explain the raining debris).

Watch this video. The forest behind the crater is west. The camera is

east of the crater. Does the smoke blow towards the camera or slightly

left of the camera??

http://thewebfairy.com/911/93/emptyhole.htm





So, we have a problem here.

Where does the raining debris come from?

Especially as the official UA 93 came from the west and NEVER crossed

Indian Lake so the debris CANT have been from the official UA 93.



But the problem is bigger.



Several accounts point out that human remains were found on Indian Lake.



Brant has been taking FBI and ATF agents onto the lake to recover airplane parts and human remains.

(AP, 9/13/01)



On Wednesday morning, marina Service Manager John Fleegle found what he figured was a bone, washed up on one of the marina's concrete boat launches.

"It was maybe five inches long. It put me in mind of maybe a rib bone,"

Fleegle said. "I called the state police. They contacted the FBI, and

they picked it up."

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010914scene0914p2.asp







Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as

they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more

debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the

point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp





And now weve a real problem.

As shown the debris cant be from the official UA 93 coming from the

west. Then the human remains found on Indian Lake cant be neither from

the official UA 93.

This leaves us with two possibilities:



1. There has been a cover up concerning the DNA. If the real UA 93 is

in the crater at Shanksville and in the crater are the DNA of the

passengers two then it follows logically that the human debris found on

Indian Lake are from persons that WERENT aboard UA 93. As this was

never announced we have to assume a cover up.

2. If the human remains found in Indian Lake are from passengers aboard

UA 93 as are the DNA found in the crater then the only logical

conclusion can be that it wasnt the official UA 93 coming from the

west that crashed. As many eyewitnesses have seen the last minutes of

this plane from the west and as the Commission declared that indeed UA

93 came from the west then we have the problem that the plane that

officially is assumed to have been UA 93 is not in the crater. And we

do have the problem that the plane coming from the west is unaccounted

for. Disappeared in a well-coordinated plan with a plane coming from

the east that lost the debris which was found at Indian Lake. And Im

sorry certainly this would be a plan that has not been executed by our

19 hijackers.



So we have the choice between a DNA cover up or a complete cover up.





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The Surgeon | 22 Mar : 13:15

Comments: 1



Registered: 21 Mar : 18:30



Hello, this is my first post here. I've been following your work for some time. Truly excellent research and analysis. The "Holes in the Radar" was brilliant. It explains the bizarre flight paths. I usually post at LetsRoll911.org with the same user name.



I've been working on the strange case of the C-130H (call sign Gopher 6) that took off from Andrews AFB, intercepted "Flight 77" and saw it crash into the Pentagon. Then it continued towards the Twin Cities, MN. Gopher 6 was contacted by the FAA regarding "Flight 93" and was in the vicinity of the crash. I've made some posts on this subject, but am now working on trying everything together with new research.



"The On Guard - Nerwspaper of the Army and Air National Guard" had an article concerning these events. It has been subsequently scrubbed from the internet. This article reports that FAA Cleveland Center contacted the C-130H and asked them to look for 93 at their 12 o'clock. A crew member in the rear reported the crash and a big cloud of smoke. The NY Daily news reported in an interview the pilot that the crash site was to the left of the C-130H, or to the south.



This would place the C-130H approximately over New Baltimore and Indian Lake. I contend that the debris was planted by aircraft in order to prepare the backup cover stories that a bomb went off or that 93 was shot down. Remember that aircraft evidence was planted in New York city and at the Pentagon.



Cover Stories



The cover stories were, in order of attractiveness:



1) Heroic passengers fight back, gain control of the cockpit and crash the plane deliberately, sacrificing themselves

2) Heroic passengers fight back, do not gain control of the cockpit and the hijackers crash the plane

3) NORAD finally gets its act together and shoots down the plane in order to protect the capitol

4) A bomb smuggled on board by the terrorists detonated, causing the plane to crash



Since the public swallowed scenario #1 hook, line and sinker and that NORAD's apparent ineptness didn't seem to be major problem -- this was the official story. After pressure from the families to hear the cockpit voice recorder, the scenario got downgraded to #2.



The debris dropped from the sky was to set up scenarios #3 and #4 in case they were needed. Again, the vast majority of sheeple didn't need to reconcile the conflicting reports of debris locations.



The Bush administration had a window of opportunity in which to reveal scenario #3 - the shoot down. The American public would have been OK with this scenario if it were revealed within an acceptable time frame. That time frame has now expired.



Now that the official story is falling apart the "Maj. Rick Gibney and the Happy Hooligans" story appeared on the internet, along with Rumsfeld's misstatement about 93 being shot down. These were trial ballons to gauge the reaction of the public and the 9/11 Truth Movement.



Flight Path of C-130H Gopher 6



This is just an overview and doesn't include the details concerning take off from Andrews AFB, flying over the capitol, intercepting Flight 77 and then flying over the Pentagon. I believe that Gopher 6 was, at minimum, a distraction to cover the WHATZIT that hit the Pentagon.



After the Pentagon hit, Gopher 6 flew towards its Air National Guard home base in Minneapolis, MN.







This would be the correct course for intercepting 93. The Pentagon got hit at 9:36 AM. Distance to Shanksville is 125 miles. Flight 93 crashed at 10:06 AM (seismic record). This is a flight speed of 250 mph, which is a pretty efficient fuel consumption speed.



As the C-130H approached the planned crash site it dropped debris at New Baltimore and Indian Lakes. It then witnessed the Flight 93 crash.







Gopher 6 then continued to Youngstown Air Reserve Station at Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport in Vienna, Ohio. Note that it flew past Pittsburg which has a base with C-130H models.



What I need help with are C-130 typical climb out rates, air traffic patterns around Washingon National airport, frequency of C-130 landings at Andrews, confirmation the plane landed in Vienna, etc. I'm pretty famaliar with flight patterns around National and Andrews AFB in general, but don't have specifics.















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