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"Conyers: You Go First!; Holder: No, You Go First!"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... blubonnet said on 7/26/2009 @ 12:30 pm PT...





The corruption, and power among those in Cheney's camp is probably more powerful and ominous than any mafia organization. The tentacles that run deep into the government are very deep and "invisible". Threatening to anyone that confronts them on a legal basis! Shit happens! Surely though, intelligence agencies within our government, if there are any within it, that are honorable, with integrity, surely some (?), need to investigate covertly, before any outright charges and arrests are made. Our entire democracy depends on it. 9-11-01 has fascillitated this demise of our country. The numerous questions surrounding that, if answered, may better bring about a conclusion on these matters. Fathoming the level of criminality within our governmnet is a problem. It's beyond what most people can imagine. The massive security forces surrounding Washington D.C. needs to start protecting that which is outer, from that inner.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... blubonnet said on 7/26/2009 @ 12:44 pm PT...





Also, any NYC residents reading this need to sign the petition to have a new investigation into 9-11-01. There are going to be every imaginable attempt to prevent this from happening. 66% of New Yorkers want this, disbelieving the governmment. There needs to be an overwhelming show of support through this petition to make it happen, derailing the efforts to squelch it. Thanks! Go to the link below to sign, if you are a NYC resident, please! Thank you so much! Incidentally science overwhelmingly is on the side of 911-truth.

http://nyccan.org/index.php

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/26/2009 @ 12:52 pm PT...





Don't know how anyone can expect conyers to do any more... He sent out all those nasty letters to the folk's behind dur chimpfurher's criminal rein. He probably doesn't have any more stamps and can't find his stationary pad anyhow. Mindless, headline-grabbin' moron - conyers has shown us what he is worth, unfortunately, time and time again. ZERO

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 7/26/2009 @ 2:12 pm PT...





I've seen Conyers "all talk; no action" for so many years now, I'm not falling for this.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/26/2009 @ 2:37 pm PT...





Ah, catching on at last....

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/26/2009 @ 2:54 pm PT...





Watching these 2 throw feces back and forth will placate many of the obamabots. The distraction will be who should do what with neither have the integrity to do anything. But, for a spell, it will be read meat folks to the mindless obama fans, they can pretend that something will happen until these sh!t throwing contest also gets shoved down the memory hole. In the meantime, the slickster in the White House will proclain "mission accomplished" via a jobless recovery, and then continue the massive transfer of public funds to the same corpocracy that dur chimpfurher represented. Folks just didn't pay enough attention last fall - the FULL slogan of his campaign (if you were paying attention) was: YES WE CAN FOOL MOST OF THE PEOPLE MOST OF THE TIME and then I am outta-here to enjoy what I have looted.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... naschkatze said on 7/26/2009 @ 5:14 pm PT...





Who are those 8 possible special prosecutors? I hope there are some choices outside of the DoJ, and certainly no to Fitzgerald.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 7/26/2009 @ 8:45 pm PT...





In my opinion, the Democrats are either: - In on everything with the Republicans

- Being blackmailed

- Are wimps, so what good are they? Because this certainly isn't what the people voted for!

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... FreedomOfInformationAct said on 7/26/2009 @ 10:56 pm PT...





"Conyers calls for criminal investigation into Bush administration" when? When hell freezes over?.....goodbye mr conyers, you've failed to act on so many opportunities over the past eight years, why should we believe anything more that comes out of your piehole? never again will I trust the democrats to hold the nations leaders accountable for their crimes...in this one instance, they are just as complicit as the republicans. bush and cheney deserve a war crimes tribunal for crimes committed against humanity in the name of Americans. Treason is what they are about, your inaction embraces that treason as your own.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/26/2009 @ 11:51 pm PT...





"Democrats are" Republicans. Sorry but I've watched America for the last 9 years or so, I can remember thinking in 1999 "we survived without having a nuclear war" ,"the cold war is over","maybe now great sums of money can be spent on research ,medical and scientific " and "how cool, here's the 21 st. century".

Talk about disappointed. I don't know what the problem is ,maybe somebody (maybe a country)has enough blackmail on every politician in America or maybe there is just too much money in the system for bribes etc.But it seems that everything that happens is never in accordance with the will of the people.Nothing get investigated no matter how big or how many Americans die...sure a lot of noise is made about "smoking out the bad guys" but its always only words and never actions.

I read that "The United States is putting pressure on New Zealand to contribute more to the war in Afghanistan, warning Wellington that it should act as an ally in case it ever needs US military support." even when we don't know why you are killing people in Afghanistan

but we should help ?

Why ?

Is that a threat ? Your DEMpublicans tell us to kill people in another country or else ? Do you think some people in Rome talked about these type of things before it collapsed ? Would you rather be a Nationalist or a realist ?

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 12:06 am PT...





Sounds like the new "with us or against us", Mick. I don't think we are going to avoid WWIII anymore. I think the only thing holding it up is giving Obama time to smooth the way... to "catapult the propaganda".... They've been beating the drums against Iran really, really hard and when you put that together with what's really happening in the bailout, I don't think there's even part of a chance of avoiding it now. I mean, can you feature these evil fuckers going any other route? Really? If I were in New Zealand, I'd be yelling to join the SCO instead of NATO....

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 12:33 am PT...





99 here is a cut'n'paste from rawstory comments re: Spitzer: Federal Reserve is ‘a Ponzi scheme, an inside job’. It says it all...

11 hours ago, yvonne

From “Unheralded warnings from the founding fathers”: Thomas Jefferson speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America: “The system of banking is a blot left in all our Constitutions, which, if not covered, will end in their destruction. I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity is but swindling futurity on a large scale.” “The end of democracy, and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.” “If the people ever allow the banks to issue their currency, the banks and corporations which will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.” “Paper is poverty… It is not money, but the ghost of money.” “There is an artificial aristocracy, founded on birth and privelege, without virtue or talents… The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provisions should be made to prevent its ascendency.” __________________ James Madison speaking on the first attempt to establish a central bank in America: “History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit and violent means possible, to maintain their control over governments, by controlling money and its issuance.” “It is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of citizens and one of the noblest characteristics of the late revolution. The free men of America did not wait until usurped power has strengthened itself by exercise and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle.” ___________________________ Andrew Jackson speaking on the second attempt to establish a central bank in America: “If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.” “I am one of those who do not believe that a national debt is a national blessing, but rather a curse to a republic, inasmuch as it is calculated to raise around the administration a monied aristocracy dangerous to the liberties of the country.” President Jackson told the bankers “You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal god, I will rout you out!” _________________________ Abraham Lincoln speaking on the third attempt to establish a central bank in America: “The money powers prey on the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. The banking powers are more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. They denounce as public enemies all who question their methods or throw light upon their crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me, and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe. As a most undesirable consequence of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow. The money power will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed.” _____________________ In 1913, the bankers/corporations finally achieved their goal when the Federal Reserve was created. President Woodrow Wilson, after having broken campaign promises and betrayed his country by signing into law the Federal Reserve Act: “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation therefore, and all our activities, are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world. No longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.” _________________________________ Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Congressional Record, June 15, 1934): “Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power. But the truth is, the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the government of the United States. It controls everything here; and it controls our foreign relations. It makes or breaks governments at will. No man, and no body of men, is more entrenched in power than the arrogant credit monopoly which operates the Federal Reserve Board and Federal Reserve Banks. These evil-doers have robbed the country of more than enough money to pay the national debt. What the National Government has permitted the Federal Reserve Board to steal from the people should now be returned to the people. The people have a valid claim against the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. If that claim is enforced, Americans will not need to stand in bread lines. Homes will be saved. Families will be kept. What is needed here is a return to the Constitution of the United States. The old struggle that was fought out here in Jackson’s day must be fought over again. The Federal Reserve Act should be repealed; and the Federal Reserve Banks — having violated their charters — should be liquidated immediately. Faithless government officers who have violated their oaths of office should be impeached and brought to trial. Unless this is done by us, I predict the American people — outraged, robbed, pillaged, insulted, and betrayed as they are in their own land — will rise in their wrath and send a President here who WILL sweep the money changers from the temple." NOW THAT WE KNOW WHO THE ENEMY OF AMERICA IS AND HAS BEEN, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? [ed note: Don't know what held up this comment, but I reformated it, and am letting the long copy/paste stand because there do not seem to be any permalinks to RawStory comments.... --99]

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 12:41 am PT...





19 trillion was the TOTAL DEBT owed by all borrowers in America ,the TOTAL DEBT for every home loan ,every business loan and every credit card !

How much has been paid for the "bail out" ,now ask yourself ,Am I debt free?

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 12:53 am PT...





Yeah, and we have to listen to these two worthless sons of bitches play their roles until WWIII makes us drop everything for a good old fashioned depression-ending world war. Don't miss the audio at the end of that Greenwald link... I think SIGTARP is going to get his ass fired for trying to do his job.... I think it doesn't matter, though, because it really has only served to convince me that we're hell bent for a very big war. I feel it in my bones.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:04 am PT...





Thanks 99 xx

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:06 am PT...





Actually, I keep forgetting to mention that I'm wondering how much faith Swanson has left in that little reassurance from Holder that he would be proud of his country.... I'm thinking he's probably already exhausted whatever little bump of "hope" that might have given him. Oh, and xoxoxoxox to you, too.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:06 am PT...





fun·gi·ble (fŭn'jə-bəl)

adj. 1. Law Returnable or negotiable in kind or by substitution, as a quantity of grain for an equal amount of the same kind of grain.

2. Interchangeable. n. Something that is exchangeable or substitutable. Often used in the plural. [Medieval Latin fungibilis, from Latin fungī (vice), to perform (in place of).]

fun'gi·bil'i·ty n. we are screwed ,all of us , the world is fucked by greed and power

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:11 am PT...





Yes. I laughed when I heard that word. Nobody's used it around me in about twenty years. The good old Sindell Theory... the basis of one of the biggest victories in my professional life... because, har-har, I thought to look up that word! Our client had to pay bubkes, but all thirty-six of the other defendants had handed out hundreds of thousands... for want of looking up a word. Good for you, Mick!

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:13 am PT...





Well, or.... as the case seems to be.....

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:31 am PT...





99 stuff like this scare the crap out of me ...

THE FEDERAL Reserve Board’s independence is a bit like the judiciary’s independence. Absolutely vital for the institution’s proper functioning, it nevertheless depends on Congress and the president to respect decisions with which they disagree. In such cases, the best protection for either the Supreme Court or the Fed is to stay strictly within its legally prescribed authority and to act according to principled criteria: legal ones for the justices, technical economic ones for the central bank. Which brings us to the proposed Federal Reserve Transparency Act, sponsored by anti-Fed crusader Ron Paul (R-Tex.) in the House and socialist Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.) in the Senate. In the name of open government, it would subject the Fed’s decisions to a full-blown audit by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress. Though the bill has attracted 276 co-sponsors in the House and 17 in the Senate, it is wrongheaded in the extreme. By opening up the Fed’s most sensitive interest rate and credit policies to public second-guessing, the bill would create a risk — real and perceived — of monetary policy bent to suit congressional overseers. This would destroy financial markets’ faith in the Fed and, by extension, the value of the U.S. dollar, just as surely as a political “audit” of the Supreme Court’s deliberations would undercut public faith in the justice system. The Washington Post is a traitor to America ,if you read the whole article you will see what I mean ...its interest are not America's interest ,it sides with the Fed and the Fed's only interest is the "Fed".

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:59 am PT...





Seen as yer on the economy, yule git a kick out of this...dude (rightly) becomes unglued. http://www.youtube.com/w...amp;feature=channel_page

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Sally said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:03 am PT...





Another Joe In the meantime, the slickster in the White House will proclain "mission accomplished" via a jobless recovery, and then continue the massive transfer of public funds to the same corpocracy that dur chimpfurher represented. Absolutely right. There needs to be an urgent refocus on what Obama is actually doing/not doing as Joe has outined at lenght here and on who Obama's working for. No more diversions. If anything can be done it must be done now. Next year will be far far too late.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:07 am PT...





Max Keiser is great to listen to, Flo! It's such a relief to hear a guy just come right out with it like he does.... For all the good it seems to be doing....

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:09 am PT...





"Goldman Sachs" are scum....end of story.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:23 am PT...





My whole point is that all this stuff, our demands for prosecutions and our outrage over the criminal economic crash and loot job, everything will be subsumed by WWIII. THAT is how these fuckers operate. Capitalism dies if you can't recycle yourself up some new markets... bubbles only go so far before you run out of steam and have to take all the worth out of everything and spend it on a monster conflagration. WHUT else will do the trick? Does anybody still think Obama will prevent that? So Holder and Conyers are just doing a filthy minuet while the drums beat loudly enough, or some accidentally on purpose disaster strikes to blame on Iran. Or Netanyahu just finally gets the go-ahead to succumb to his murderating instincts....

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:27 am PT...





... which... er... may be today, right this now... because Gates is meeting with him in Israel... about Iran....

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:37 am PT...





Max Keiser don't fly on small planes...na don't fly at all ...they wouldn't hesitate at killing 300 hundred Americans ...take 911

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:40 am PT...





Israel is the enemy ...call me anti what ever

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:42 am PT...





THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!

"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East." --- John Sheehan, S.J. (a Jesuit priest)

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Gos said on 7/27/2009 @ 3:30 am PT...





Uh oh it's got to Conyer's desk, you know what that means...months of inactivity followed but meaningless non-binding gestures. I'm sure this legislative circle jerk will be the best tho.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/27/2009 @ 5:57 am PT...





GOS, you forgot to mention, after the circle jerk, he will write a sternly worded letter that will make some headlines, passing for action, and satisfying the obamabots. I would rather see him give each of these criminals a personal visit, drop his drawers, and moon 'em. At least that would represent some sort of "progress" over his inaction and total capitulation over the past 8 years.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/27/2009 @ 6:14 am PT...





Important video - puts the showboating about "abuses" into context: Obama's new war - He didn't start it but he's going to escalate it

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Spiro said on 7/27/2009 @ 6:21 am PT...





Conyers will do whatever it takes to keep people away from his own Graft, that is creeping up on him from his wife having been arrested for Bribery and awaiting sentencing in fed. court.

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/27/2009 @ 6:54 am PT...





spot on - spiro, in fact, this posturing is just an attempt to deflect attention and let him pretend to be a "good guy" - perhaps eventually trying to portray himself as a "victim".

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... FreedomOfInformationAct said on 7/27/2009 @ 11:23 am PT...





more on-topic discussion of mr. conyers and his claim to hold bush officials responsible for their crimes can be read at http://rawstory.com/blog...stration/comment-page-2/

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... another joe said on 7/27/2009 @ 1:09 pm PT...





freedomofinfo: How can anything be a "more on-topic discussion of mr. conyers and his claim to hold bush officials responsible"?!?!?!?!?!?! There is nothing else to discuss - it's all fantasy. The dems ran on accountability on 2006 and then took impeachment off the table - selling their supporters out. Little conyers ran a series of "investigations" but would not even enforce subpoenas (you try to be a no-show an YOU would go straight to jail). After grabbing headlines with bold-sounding statements, conyers would issue a stern warning letter for the friday news dump - he did this repeatedly. He is going to do nothing. He is just grabbing headlines. His wife is in violation of federal corruption laws - who is he to run these investigations anyhow. He is a direct beneficiary of her corruption. This is a satire piece that is based on the ridiculousness of the whole situation, which is an insult to the intellegence of all Americans. There is nothing more to be on-topic about. The fact that obama has gone alone with virtually every buch administration crime and gives these criminals a free pass should be part of the dialog. But what else is there to say? The thread you link to is mostly just the same ol' same ol' with nothing there that isn't already here. So what's your point?

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... John H Kennedy said on 7/27/2009 @ 2:48 pm PT...





Rep. Conyers Blocked Impeachment and Is Blocking Investigation and Prosecution in His Judiciary Committee Millions of Amercians worked to have Cheney and Bush Impeached. Most of us thought we could trust and count on Rep. John Conyers to start Impeachment Hearings as soon as he became Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee in January of 2007. We even delivered to Rep. Conyers a petition with over 1,100,000 signatures asking him to start Impeachment Hearings. The 80 year old congressman who has been in office for 40+ years used to have a great liberal reputation. Conyers has been described as the “powerful Chairman of the Judiciary Committee” but has accomplished very little in protecting our Constitution from the ravages of the Bush-Cheney Administration or bringing violators of our Federal Anti-Torture Laws to justice. His House Committee is where the Impeachment Process had to be started. Conyers has been a big disappointment to Impeachment and Torture Accountability Advocates. He portrayed himself as the Champion of Impeachment in the House, but blocked Impeachment for years and kept Rep. Kucinich’s Bush-Cheney Impeachment Bills from ever being seriously debated in his committee or voted on. Conyers accepted an IMPEACHMENT PETITION SIGNED BY 1.1 MILLION VOTERS but IGNORED IT AND HAD THOSE DELIVERING IT ARRESTED. He never mentioned the 1.1 Million Signature Petition after that day. Strange behavior from the “Champion of Impeachment”. Conyers is on the board of Progressive Democrats Of America but even they can't get him to do his duty. Now we see in the Washington Post that a "Conservative Group Calls For Probe Of Conyers - Wife's Case Raises Disclosure Issue" http://tr.im/uezF and in the Detroit newspapers that Rep. Conyers could be involved in his wife's Federal Bribery Conviction. "Riddle implicates Rep. John Conyers in wife’s corruption troubles"

http://tinyurl.com/mkxftx "What did Rep. John Conyers know?"

http://tinyurl.com/mp9t4l "Rep. John Conyers not talking about waste-well letter.-Explanation asked for shift"

http://tinyurl.com/lczr6q "Rep. John Conyers defends switching position on toxic wells"

http://tinyurl.com/nhqnnu "Rep. Conyers’ office defends flip-flop"

http://tinyurl.com/mdd3sv Perhaps given Conyers age, poor performance holding the Bush-Cheney criminals to account And his possible involvement in his wife's Bribery Scandal we should not expect Rep. Conyers to do anything we want. Oh, but that would be absurd. He took an Oath to protect our Constitution. Pelosi should replace him as Chairman. If HJC Chairman Conyers does not soon start hearings in his Committee on the crimes of the Bush Administration

WE Must Call For His Resignation. SIGN THE PETITIONS

Demanding

both a Commission of Inquiry

and a Special Prosecutor

For All Their Crimes

at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG We must hang in there...

or our children or grandchildren may

be tortured and imprisoned without cause because of our failure. .

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... mick said on 7/27/2009 @ 5:19 pm PT...





... John H Kennedy ....great post says it all ,sadly.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Doug said on 7/27/2009 @ 6:55 pm PT...

