Carl Gallups is a right-wing Christian pastor, conspiracy theorist (he’s really adamant about telling people Obama was born in Kenya), and was a frequent speaker at Trump rallies during the 2016 campaign. Given his history, you shouldn’t expect his views on immigration to be all that coherent, and he confirmed this on Jim Bakker‘s show last week.

According to Gallups, the migrant caravan that has reached the U.S.-Mexico border is a result of God’s judgement on America — for gay marriage and abortion.

In a video clip flagged by Right Wing Watch, Bakker said that the bible “talks about judgement beginning, you know, like at the borders.”

“America’s borders right now are wide open, and every bible city had walls,” Bakker said.

Gallups agreed.

“You go all the way back to the Tower of Babel when the Lord scattered the nations and the Bible says, ‘He set their borders,’” Gallups said, adding nations having borders “was God’s idea.”

“The bottom line is we violated the borders of the womb, we violated the borders of marriage, we violated the borders of sexuality, we’re violating the borders of God’s word and God says, ‘I will violate your borders,’” he continued.

“We’re living in times where we’re watching this before our eyes and God’s people had better be serious about this,” Gallups warned.

“It’s spiritual, it’s demonic, it is real, God’s word tells us, and we’ve got some work to do. Our nation can be preserved, our sanctity and sanity can be preserved, or we can be given over to a depraved mind and it’s basically our choice.”

Watch the video below, via Right Wing Watch:

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