User Info: LancetJades LancetJades (Moderator) 8 years ago #1



It's a painfully long process that is prone to failure, but it DOES work. Still, once you get the hang of stacking the boxes, it's not terribly difficult (just save a LOT), just awkward and cumbersome.



Here are some pics of my box configuration that got me to the top. This took a couple hours to build and pretty much collapsed just as I got up there. The tallest column (the one I jumped from) is pretty much the absolute minimum necessary height to make it.



(Sorry about mediocre quality and oversized dimensions)

http://www.evermoreforums.com/johnny/glitches/bioshock_fmlstop.jpg

http://www.evermoreforums.com/johnny/glitches/bioshock_fmlsbottom.jpg



After passing the trigger zone without triggering it, head to the distillery (not the bee place) and find a Big Daddy. Wait for him to summon a Little Sister, then proceed as usual. Return to the trigger zone at leisure and get the spare. Both are near a security camera, so Security Bullseye can make killing them a breeze.



BEWARE! ALL other doors leading to the corridor with the Big Daddy are trigger zones! Simply entering (or exiting) through any other door (besides the one to the bee place/distillery) will spawn the BD/LS combo. Eclipsing power is, at times, not only the instrument of demons, but also of gods.

Lost, but not forgotten. Just tested it myself. Stacked boxes to reach the wooden beam near the ceiling in the corridor right before the scripted BD appears (which is the only Little Sister in the level usually). Normal BDs don't appear until after that, so the only way to get an extra is to pass that point in the level without triggering the appearance.It's a painfully long process that is prone to failure, but it DOES work. Still, once you get the hang of stacking the boxes, it's not terribly difficult (just save a LOT), just awkward and cumbersome.Here are some pics of my box configuration that got me to the top. This took a couple hours to build and pretty much collapsed just as I got up there. The tallest column (the one I jumped from) is pretty much the absolute minimum necessary height to make it.(Sorry about mediocre quality and oversized dimensions)http://www.evermoreforums.com/johnny/glitches/bioshock_fmlstop.jpghttp://www.evermoreforums.com/johnny/glitches/bioshock_fmlsbottom.jpgAfter passing the trigger zone without triggering it, head to the distillery (not the bee place) and find a Big Daddy. Wait for him to summon a Little Sister, then proceed as usual. Return to the trigger zone at leisure and get the spare. Both are near a security camera, so Security Bullseye can make killing them a breeze.BEWARE! ALL other doors leading to the corridor with the Big Daddy are trigger zones! Simply entering (or exiting) through any other door (besides the one to the bee place/distillery) will spawn the BD/LS combo.

User Info: Orion_SR Orion_SR 8 years ago #2 Well done. I'm glad I didn't discount pRopaaNS's suggestion completely. I wonder if I have a save in this location so I can play around with it myself.

User Info: LancetJades LancetJades (Moderator) 8 years ago #3



One note: The ceiling beam extends to the walls and runs along the walls as sort of a "trim" at the same altitude as the ceiling beam in question. This trim CAN be jumped on, and means you don't have to climb up to actually jump on the beam itself. I actually could not jump directly to the beam, and I got the boxes as close to the trigger zone as I possibly could. You need more height for the jump than you might expect.



The biggest tip I can give is that the foundation is everything. If the first two boxes aren't stable, THAT PILLAR WILL FAIL. However, any boxes stacked above the first two will be inherently unstable, to the point that if you save while standing on one, there's a very good chance that if you load the file, they will either spontaneously collapse (knocking everything down), or will collapse the second you make any movement (besides jumping).



By my count, there are 11 (possibly 12) boxes suitable for stacking, along with two large barrels. The thin shipping crates are worthless for stacking, as are the small barrel, and anything else like that.



My recommendation is to make the bottom of both "primary" stacks a large barrel. They're not very useful for actually jumping on, but make a great foundation (they seem more stable than boxes, even, as a foundation). Use the four large First Class Apples boxes for the second and third box in each stack (or as the base of the "intermediary" stack - the shortest in my pictures). Use the smaller fruit boxes above those.



My pictures don't follow those rules 100%, but I got the main stack (The tallest) assembled about halfway through my efforts, and the rest of the time was spent on getting the secondary stack (the middle height one) high enough to reach the primary stack, and THEN the intermediary stack high enough I could both reach it AND jump to the secondary stack.



Honestly, that's the hardest part: actually making it atop your primary stack. It's easier ti build it than it is to ascend it. Eclipsing power is, at times, not only the instrument of demons, but also of gods.

Lost, but not forgotten. Well, I had seen that topic and planned to investigate even before I posted my general topic about extra LSes. But the theory checked out, so it was just a matter of actually managing to pull it off.One note: The ceiling beam extends to the walls and runs along the walls as sort of a "trim" at the same altitude as the ceiling beam in question. This trim CAN be jumped on, and means you don't have to climb up to actually jump on the beam itself. I actually could not jump directly to the beam, and I got the boxes as close to the trigger zone as I possibly could. You need more height for the jump than you might expect.The biggest tip I can give is that the foundation is everything. If the first two boxes aren't stable, THAT PILLAR WILL FAIL. However, any boxes stacked above the first two will be inherently unstable, to the point that if you save while standing on one, there's a very good chance that if you load the file, they will either spontaneously collapse (knocking everything down), or will collapse the second you make any movement (besides jumping).By my count, there are 11 (possibly 12) boxes suitable for stacking, along with two large barrels. The thin shipping crates are worthless for stacking, as are the small barrel, and anything else like that.My recommendation is to make the bottom of both "primary" stacks a large barrel. They're not very useful for actually jumping on, but make a great foundation (they seem more stable than boxes, even, as a foundation). Use the four large First Class Apples boxes for the second and third box in each stack (or as the base of the "intermediary" stack - the shortest in my pictures). Use the smaller fruit boxes above those.My pictures don't follow those rules 100%, but I got the main stack (The tallest) assembled about halfway through my efforts, and the rest of the time was spent on getting the secondary stack (the middle height one) high enough to reach the primary stack, and THEN the intermediary stack high enough I could both reach it AND jump to the secondary stack.Honestly, that's the hardest part: actually making it atop your primary stack. It's easier ti build it than it is to ascend it.

User Info: LancetJades LancetJades (Moderator) 8 years ago #4



This can cause a glitch wherein you will be screwed out of getting the Armored Shell 2 tonic. This only applies if you plan to rescue all four of the extra LSes, though. Harvesting even one shouldn't affect it. Read this for the mechanics anyways, as extra LSes could potentially cause this glitch if you harvest/rescue them in certain ways.







If you get all four extra little sisters (Neptune's Bounty, Arcadia, Farmer's Market, and Fort Frolic), this creates a situation wherein the 4th AND 5th LS gifts will appear at Fort Frolic. What's more, you have to pick up gift #4 after the final LS spawns.



After killing the BD for the 4th Fort Frolic LS, you MUST leave Fort Frolic and travel to another level BEFORE rescuing the sister. If she's the 15th rescued (as in, all so far have been rescued, even extras), it will spawn the gift again on Fort Frolic, but it will contain (again) the 4th gift's rewards (proximity mines and EVE hypos). This causes you to miss gift 5 altogether, including Armored Shell #2.



I assume this same hazard can exist on this level in any combination of harvest/rescue of LSes, if you're not careful. Eclipsing power is, at times, not only the instrument of demons, but also of gods.

Lost, but not forgotten. A WORD OF WARNING TO ALL THOSE WHO WISH TO ATTEMPT THE FARMER'S MARKET LITTLE SISTER!This can cause a glitch wherein you will be screwed out of getting the Armored Shell 2 tonic. This only applies if you plan to rescue all four of the extra LSes, though. Harvesting even one shouldn't affect it. Read this for the mechanics anyways, as extra LSes could potentially cause this glitch if you harvest/rescue them in certain ways.If you get all four extra little sisters (Neptune's Bounty, Arcadia, Farmer's Market, and Fort Frolic), this creates a situation wherein the 4th AND 5th LS gifts will appear at Fort Frolic. What's more, you have to pick up gift #4 after the final LS spawns.After killing the BD for the 4th Fort Frolic LS, you MUST leave Fort Frolic and travel to another level BEFORE rescuing the sister. If she's the 15th rescued (as in, all so far have been rescued, even extras), it will spawn the gift again on Fort Frolic, but it will contain (again) the 4th gift's rewards (proximity mines and EVE hypos). This causes you to miss gift 5 altogether, including Armored Shell #2.I assume this same hazard can exist on this level in any combination of harvest/rescue of LSes, if you're not careful.

User Info: LambentEarache LambentEarache 8 years ago #5 Not changing this sig until Conrad Verner saves the galaxy from the Reapers. Keelah se'lai. Is there any point in taking care of the extra Little Sisters? Just extra ADAM?

User Info: Orion_SR Orion_SR 8 years ago #6 For me, the challenge of collecting the extra Little Sisters was the main goal. Getting the extra Adam and early bonuses is just a side benefit. Also, it's a way for me to maintain interest and increase the replay value of a game.

User Info: LancetJades LancetJades (Moderator) 8 years ago #7



If you rescue all 25 total LSes (21 + 4 extras), only buy slot and health/eve upgrades, the cheapest, highest-level plasmids, and non-findable tonics, you can afford everything in the game with 20 ADAM left over, enough for all DLC plasmids/tonics if you wanted. Eclipsing power is, at times, not only the instrument of demons, but also of gods.

Lost, but not forgotten. Yeah, just the ADAM. But it's enough that even rescuing all four extra LSes, you'll have enough ADAM to buy all items in the game. Assuming, of course, you wait and purchase only the highest level of each plasmid and at the cheapest price.If you rescue all 25 total LSes (21 + 4 extras), only buy slot and health/eve upgrades, the cheapest, highest-level plasmids, and non-findable tonics, you can afford everything in the game with 20 ADAM left over, enough for all DLC plasmids/tonics if you wanted.