galbia said: after this suspect test ends we are leaving cobalion to a quick ban worthy level as those two are pretty much the only semi reliable answers to it and are clear cut both broken. Reuniclus has like 3 checks in the tier that hate focus blast and one reliable counter in spiritomb. Noivern has like no defenaive checks between specs and taunt roost Click to expand...

This is a bit of an exaggeration. As far as offensive checks go, there are still a fair few, and if noivern gets banned, some of the offesive checks actually get a lot better. With noivern around, mons like scarf emboar, durant, dugtrio, delphox and virizion have become far less reliable, which is one of the factors that has made cobalion so successful in this current meta. For example, before noivern dropped, emboar was the 5th most used mon in the tier and scarf was by far the most used item. If it were to go then emboar would be more popular again and cobalion would have regained its best offensive check. It may even be the case that other scarf fighting types become much more popular. If they both leave then the tier loses its best checks to scarf medicham and hitmonlee. Spamming scarf earthquake will be much more safe as well.As far as defensive checks go, Reuinclus isn't even in the top 5. jellicent, seismitoad, cofagrigus, physdef drudd and physdef bronzong all do well against it and while it may be true that their effectivesness has been diminished somewhat by the introduction of scrafty, this is also true of reuniclus - the point being that not much will change it terms of preparing for it.What i'm trying to say here is that even though cobalion may get better if these mons get banned, it's an oversimplification and mostly theorymon to say that it would be quick ban worthy.Anyway, most of that is speculation and is not important. For the pressing matters of the current suspects, I think it should be obvious that they both have to go.Reuniclus is the single most restrictive mon in the tier. I remember 49 noting at one point in the cress meta that if a team doesn't have a psychic check, it's a bad team - things haven't changed. If you lack a mon that can consistently beat cm reuniclus 1v1, then you can auto-lose at team preview. Strangely, with the tier shift, reuniclus actually got indirectly better. While it's true that it gained a check in scrafty, the meta also shifted to make all other checks less effective. Drapion and houndoom went from being two of the best mons in the tier, to being very difficult to use thanks to the increased popularity in cobalion, noivern, scrafty and flygon. In addition, with doublade leaving the tier, focus blast has become a far more viable option, rendering the dark and steel checks much less reliable.The tier has also seen a shift from the offensive/ bulky offensive meta to one which favours balance a lot more. This is characterised by mons which are set-up fodder for reun - spdef mola, bronzong, aromatisse, togetic and several others have all gained popularity because of their ability to check the drops.While it's certainly not true that reuniclus is unbeatable and to me it's only borderline broken, but the fact that you are forced to run ineffective attackers on every single team regardless of structure, makes it an extremely overcentralising force and one which is far too unhealthy for the meta to stay.Noivern is much simpler. Its speed tier allows it to beat all but two non boosted mon and its combination of very high base power stab moves (hurricane and draco) with fantastic coverage and utility makes it extremely difficult to check. Its good bulk and defensive typing make it difficult to revenge kill with scarfed mons and its ability to roost off residual damage makes it a pain to face for any defensive mon. It's basically pidgeot but with more options - it has to go.llamas you've outdone yourself with disgusting song choices :]