REP. JIM JORDAN (R-OH): Last round. I just ask you, when did you learn? You said sometime in April. I want to focus on when you did officially learn according to your definition. The Chairman asked you who told you this information, you can't remember?



JOHN KOSKINEN, IRS COMMISSIONER: I do not remember.



REP. JORDAN: Did someone say in person? Did someone send you an e-mail? How did you get the information?



KOSKINEN: I do not recall. I do not get e-mails on these subjects, so I am sure it was someone in person.



JORDAN: Someone in person? This has been a major news story for the last 13 months and you don't remember who came up to you and said, 'Hey, boss, we lost Lois Lerner's e-mails.' You don't remember anything about that situation?



KOSKINEN: I remember being told in April.



JORDAN: You don't remember who told you?



KOSKINEN: I do not recall who told me.



JORDAN: For something that has been a front-page story, you'd think it would have been significant to remember how it happened when they told you what the actual date was.



KOSKINEN: You have to remember I am running an agency with 90,000 people.



JORDAN: And this has been the biggest issue in front of your agency for the last year.



KOSKINEN: We were in the middle of filing season as all of this was going on.