@cainejw @The_TimelessOne @redlianak @Robert_Mason_SF Mini-rant, just for you.

I've been in a few good guilds in WoW over the years, staying about 1-2 years at a time. I've also done a fair amount of guild hopping in between. In all of that, I've found only one "lgbt-friendly" guild (the one I'm currently in) which has been welcoming to me. In every other one I tried, some feminist or social justice talking point would come up in guild chat and I would inevitably be asked: What do I think of that? Why don't I think the way they do? Why aren't I a feminist? Do I not think women should have rights? (Then the shitstorm happens and I excuse myself.) I think that the only reason I'm still in the "lgbt-friendly" guild that I'm in is that I've largely steered clear of and out of political discussions.



However, every other guild I was in for over a year was welcoming to me. I would guess most people in those guilds never knew that I'm bi, or that I'm not a feminist, because that has nothing to do with raiding or battlegrounds. I did get close with a few guildies in each, though, and was very open with my opinions and experiences, and it was cool. Even if we disagreed, we were cool.



There is a place for gay themed guilds, of course, where the chat gets raunchy, and the "other-F-word" may be banned or used subversively, but I'm personally starting to associate the term "lgbt-friendly" with "feminist/social justice/PC police". I find it quite ironic that these guilds are unwelcoming to me.



My point is this: A good guild is already "lgbt-friendly" without having to advertise it. I think most of geek/nerd culture is like this.



p.s. Why they fuck am I being vetted for inclusion with group of gay men based on who I think should pay for women's birth control???? THIS SHIT DOES NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT US!!!

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