During a segment on guns on the May 18 edition of HBO’s Real Time with Bill Maher, host Bill Maher told Michael Moore, “As long as we live in the gun country, I ain’t giving up my guns.”

Maher said there have been “12 home invasions in [his] neighborhood in the last year,” and he’s going to have firearms in his house with which to protect himself. He said he keeps two guns in his home–one upstairs and one downstairs–and that he goes to the range twice a year to keep in practice with his shooting.

Moore fired back that waking up in the dark, trying to find a gun because someone is in the house, and then shooting that gun accurately isn’t realistic.

To this Maher responded, “as opposed to what, just getting mowed down?”

Maher said he doesn’t understand the “idea” of just sitting or lying there helplessly.