Conservative Wisconsin radio host Jerry Bader explained that folks on the left and the right already have their opinions about President Donald Trump inciting violence. However, there is a sliver of people who voted for Trump that have been questioning their vote. Those people, Bader said, will hear Trump blaming others for the toxic rhetoric and it will disgust them even more.

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“You raise a point I was going to next, those blaming others, the president blaming others,” MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton began. “We’re talking about terrorists that are all American; these are not people from Mexico that are sending these bomb threats and that went in that church. These are white male Americans in each of these incidents this week. How much can we keep talking about others when these are home-grown Americans that are doing this?”

Bader explained it would never be perfectly well known what motivated them, but that Trump and his flock “say his rhetoric had nothing to do with it, these are mentally disabled men.”

Bader said that he and others like Charlie Sykes were concerned about that being the scapegoat.

“And then when this rhetoric continued once the president was president,” Bader said. “Can we say definitively that’s what motivated these men? No, we can’t, but President Trump and his defenders can’t say definitively it wasn’t. It certainly could be. Logic certainly has a factor, and yes, they do fit the Trumpian template of the voter that he seems to be appealing to.”

Sharpton noted that while Trump may not have pointed a gun or sent a bomb, he has created a climate where someone on edge can feel that “certain people” need to be taken down and they are the chosen one to do it.

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Associate Prof. Christina Greer agreed, noting Trump didn’t start the fire, he merely sprinkled gas around; and he did it long before the birther conspiracy or the Central Park Five.

Watch the full conversation below: