Re: Need to tax fun

@Charles Manning

You assessment is both flawed and niave:-

Person A and B are the same age, Person B is paying for person A to attend higher education until Person A starts paying tax. Even with the loan system Person A is relying upon a loan which is of course obtained from tax payers. Yes the tudents pay some interest but typically it is below what they would normally pay for a private loan for the same amount. Person A finally starts putting back into the system directly( assuming they didnt fail their course) but will typically start working at a rate only slightly above person B who has been working all this time and ideally will have been promoted or at least had their wages increase due to their greater experience. It will take quite a while before Person A has paid off his loan and caught up with the lost tax revenue assuming he didnt fail and that he studied something that person B could not do without the benefit of his higher education only then was the investment worth while for the country.

Person A is younger than Person B and this one is even more unbalanced against person B, he never got to go for higher education and has spent years paying tax so Person A can enter higher education. Person B is told that by paying for Person A to obtain higher education that results in more money comig into the country than just having 2 Person Bs however this requires that the education system is cutting edge and that Person A obtains a qualification that proves valuable to the country that funded his studies. Typically those Person As without a Science/Engineering qualification end up as middle managers robbing Person B of the job he would have got otherwise and also the incentive to keep plodding on in his go nowhere job.

Person B is the younger, his parents paid a percentage of the costs for Person A to attend higher education and so obtain either a job which brings in more money to the country or more typically restricts Person B from progressing, that is assuming he can find work that will allow him to eat and pay taxes simply because Person A wants someone to cut his lawn for him so voted to relax immigration laws flooding the country with cheap labour however Person A doesnt want to pay high taxes either because "hey cut the ladder off behind you"

Given that Science and Engineering are hard lots of students in higher education are allowed to study courses that result in the participant ending up as a middle/higher management, i.e. they took higher education in a subject where there are no jobs or little demand.

Given that Person B and his parents might have started out as a ignorant dicks doesn't change the fact that without them Person A would not have any access to higher education.

Before the masses had "free" access to higher education the old grammar school system cherry picked the very best and yet most were still limited to advanced rather than higher education up until the '60s. The pension generation of workers spent years when they werent killed in wars paying taxes so higher education and social support systems have been availible for a couple of generation. These people may also include your parents in which case they too paid a percentage towards giving you the chances they never had but then again maybe your parents werent in this country at that time in which case you are not only robbing Person B of his legacy of access to education but also you want him to slave for you too.

There are only so many jobs availible without contineous investment in people however this country is bringing in more people all the time, the premise being to pay the taxes for persions etc. However the chances are that during your lifetime the goverments have not been investing in the country and so will be unable to provide access to higher education for the masses for much longer. If there are more people than jobs then the wages and hence taxes paid are lower, additionally the people coming here are going to also want their children to have access higher education/social care etc and there is no longer any real investment in this country at all.

Resources are going out of the country and little money is coming back in again, we only lasted this long because we have been living on borrowed time because this country used to be so insanely rich and even with the last two major wars there was still money left to last this long.

Now a few hold all the money and all the family silver/publicly held assets we no longer have to sell to people who do not pay tax here. We stopped investing in Education, Science and Engineering etc because services is "cheaper" than industry because services only require semiskilled workers resulting in this country being on the last part of the slope to what we used to call 3rd world economies.

Those high tech companies still having a base in the UK will very soon be moving to where they can access cheap highly educated workers i.e. not here and all because you would prefer someone to cut your lawn than pay for education for you and your children.