Lots of new faces joined the daytime landscape this season but no one has yet to threaten the continued reign of Dr. Phil. The syndicated talk show continues to attract the most viewers — though its women 25-54 rating is no better than The Ellen DeGeneres Show. Both shows are averaging a 1.6 rating in the key daytime demo, according to Nielsen.

The news isn’t so good for Jeff Probst, who rocks at hosting Survivor but has struggled to attract a following with his new syndicated talker. Not all shows produced by divisions of CBS are having a tough go of it, though: The Talk, which airs as part of CBS’ daytime lineup, is up versus last year.