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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: Audio: The World Is Psyche -with Paul Levy Quote:





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The Beautiful Truth Show - 16th Feb, 2011



Interview: Paul Levy

http://www.AwakenInTheDream.com/



The World Is Psyche



Bio] Paul Levyexplores the work of Carl G. Jung with Fintan Dunne







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Show - 16th Feb, 2011 Quote: THE WORLD IS PSYCHE



by Paul Levy



September 13, 2010



One of Jungs greatest discoveries is what he called  the reality of the

psyche , by which he means that the psyche exists in its own right, in its

own open-ended sphere of seemingly unlimited influence.



To quote Jung,  The psychic is a phenomenal world in itself, which can be

reduced neither to the brain nor to metaphysics  (Note: psychic is

used throughout this article as the adjective form of psyche and not

with any parapsychological connotation).



Jung is using the word psyche in an all-inclusive sense, as he means the

totality of all psychic processes, both conscious and unconscious. Jung

says, [i]For me, the psyche is an almost infinite phenomenon. I absolutely

dont know what it is in itself and know only very vaguely what it is

not. [ii]



The psyche is not an epiphenomenon of biochemical processes in the

brain, however, as it cannot be reduced to physical matter, or anything

other than itself for that matter. Instead of the matter of the brain being

the source of the psyche, to quote Jung,  We might well say, on the

contrary, that physical existence is a mere inference, since we know of

matter only in so far as we perceive psychic images .[iii]



The psyche cant be factored out of our experience of either matter, or

metaphysics, as it is inseparable from and connects both the seemingly

opposite physical and metaphysical realms. Any physical or metaphysical

experiences are mediated by the psyche by virtue of both of them

essentially arising out of and being experiences within the psyche.



Jung states,  Metaphysical assertions, however, are statements of the

psyche It is the psyche which, by the divine creative power inherent in it,

makes the metaphysical assertion; it posits the distinctions between

metaphysical entities.



Not only is it the condition of all metaphysical reality, it is that reality. [iv].....



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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject:

Freudian trip.





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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:41 am Post subject: Life is weird in a good way.

Let's just say I was thinking,

"It would be awesome if

Fintan did another audio

with Levy"...

Here it is.

Fuckin' A'





People are catching onto this stuff.

Even the best ( or self-proclaimed "enlightened")

of us drift in and out of awareness.

This will catch on one day, and I have

yet to hear anything creepy or cult-like.

Life simply as it is: A dream. A very real dream.

Not all that 'out there' when you think about it.



Though Fintan and Paul have

a boatload to say, they

never come off as $$-hungry

Gurus.

i.e. perfect match for a inspirational interview!

Waaaaay beyond 'The Secret' guys. Good show!

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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: Excellent Audio!...Busy weekend. I have been looking forward to listening to this one; but really too worn out to fully appreciate. Will have to listen again.



Thank you Fintan & Paul!

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Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: See what I mean? Nice interview and nice contribution to the discourse.



Lucidity is the result of the expression of our existence as the outpouring of light from our source through the prism of our person, into reality, as we perceive it.



There are so many paths (one for each of us) that all lead to the eventual realization of our essence as a material manifestation of our psychic energy. The psychic mass is the inertial reference frame, through which our perception generated awareness serves to provide us with the relational perspective to create and co-create our personal and common reality.

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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: I think thats probably one of the greatest conversations ive ever

had the fortune to be a 'part' of, to experience. It was strange listening

to some academic on the radio today talking bout his new book about

'what not' etc.



thanks Fintan and Paul .



Encore please.



Im not a fan of the word 'reality' anymore though.

I/ve thrown that word around alot in the past and

it doesnt feel right anymore. It has dominant tones

to it.



'lucidity' is resonating with me now.

For if we are to awaken in the dream

then lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,

non academic, non ego, jus being.



'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'



lucidity - clarity: free from obscurity and easy to

understand; the comprehensibility of clear

expression a lucid state of mind; not confused

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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: Light is more than a word. The greatest impediment to the unhindered and uninhibited transmission of the light of our spirit (the vibration that defines lucidity for me but that can and undoubtedly will change) is the belief that the form is both unique and defined by its existence.



Science tells us that no two objects can occupy the same space at the same time. What they don't mention is frequency and that is the key to realizing that any form is subject to the requirement of the frequency of the energy that fills it. The material manifestation lacks both frequency and direction, but their instauration are provided by our conscious awareness.



Lucidity is what you know, reality is what you perceive and illusion is what you believe.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:34 am Post subject: Thanks for the positive feedback,folks.



Certainly one of the most enjoyable interviews for me.



Quote: Arkestra :

'lucidity' is resonating with me now.

For if we are to awaken in the dream then

lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,

non academic, non ego, just being .



'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'



lucidity- clarity : free from obscurity and easy to

understand; the comprehensibility of clear

expression a lucid state of mind; not confused

A great meme to introduce at this time.



In a time of confusion, uncertainty and even hysteria,

it occurs me that " stillness " is the key quality of mind

countering that fever and fostering lucidity.



Quote: Peter:



Lucidity is what you know,

reality is what you perceive and

illusion is what you believe.

Nailed. Nailed.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: Fintan wrote: Thanks for the positive feedback,folks.



Certainly one of the most enjoyable interviews for me.



Quote: Arkestra :

'lucidity' is resonating with me now.

For if we are to awaken in the dream then

lucidity is non terrritorial, non dominant,

non academic, non ego, just being .



'Lucidity' as opposed to 'reality'



lucidity- clarity : free from obscurity and easy to

understand; the comprehensibility of clear

expression a lucid state of mind; not confused

A great meme to introduce at this time.



In a time of confusion, uncertainty and even hysteria,

it occurs me that " stillness " is the key quality of mind

countering that fever and fostering lucidity.



Quote: Peter:



Lucidity is what you know,

reality is what you perceive and

illusion is what you believe.

Nailed. Nailed.



Some of my favorite collection of posts!



Further dialogue on the subject...Ken Wilber has his critics but I can't deny his ability to communicate some profound perspectives.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:44 pm Post subject: In my examination of the Universe, I seem to keep coming back to 'Bucky' for explanations.



There are no solids. There are no things. There are only interfering and noninterfering patterns operative in pure principle, and principles are eternal.



The physical is inherently entropic, giving off energy in ever more disorderly ways. The metaphysical is antientropic, methodically marshalling energy. Life is antientropic. It is spontaneously inquisitive. It sorts out and endeavors to understand.



We are now synergetically forced to conclude that all phenomena are metaphysical; wherefore, as many have long suspected  like it or not  "life is but a dream."



The wellspring of reality is the family of weightless generalized principles.

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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:59 pm Post subject: GaryN wrote: In my examination of the Universe, I seem to keep coming back to 'Bucky' for explanations.



There are no solids. There are no things. There are only interfering and noninterfering patterns operative in pure principle, and principles are eternal.



The physical is inherently entropic, giving off energy in ever more disorderly ways. The metaphysical is antientropic, methodically marshalling energy. Life is antientropic. It is spontaneously inquisitive. It sorts out and endeavors to understand.



We are now synergetically forced to conclude that all phenomena are metaphysical; wherefore, as many have long suspected  like it or not  "life is but a dream."



The wellspring of reality is the family of weightless generalized principles.



Spot on!



Experience is our expression of those principles.



Conscious awareness is our perception of those principles.



Evolution is the application of those principles to manifest the transmission of (psychic) energy from an entropic system to an anti-entropic (intelligent) state.

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Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: Quote: Ken Wilber:

So, you wanna get a sense of

"I am"-ness, stripped of objects.

A slippery slope leading down to a chasm

into which Wilber has already fallen.



Apologies to anybody who takes Wilber on face value, but I find

his underlying psychological dynamics are rather transparent.



The " Big Mind " which Wilber refers to is his own egoic intellect.



Rendering secondary the "objects" which are "out there" - outside that

Big Mind, he unconsciously discounts the "objects" which happen to be

other human beings.



This is the classical trap of the subject/object dichotomy.



In fact, subject mind and the objects allegedly outside that mind are one.

Mind and Matter are a symbiosis. They are mirror compliments.



Mind cannot exist in isolation - and any isolation which

is perceived is the isolation of the solitary ego .



Wilber's is the academic philosophy against which Pirsig railed.



He stands entirely opposite to the views I express in Regeneromics.



Even while I work to render the complexity of existence simple, Wilber

aims to take that simplicity and render it complex enough and dense

enough to be impenetrable and a source of income through books and

within salaried university settings.



That is his talent. The talent of a practiced bullshitter.



In the same way which medicine has no real intent to defeat illness,

(rather to profit from it's continuance) Wilber makes a living out of

his pseudo-philosophical insights.



The explanations are alluring enough to attract, but simply go round and

round in profitable circles. The fog never clears.



The wall which preserves the status of philosophical insiders such as

Wilber is never breached and the scam goes on and on.



If I EVER charge any money for any of the work I do to try bring

simplicity and coherence to our view of the world then you will know

I sold out.



Perhaps one might say to me:



"But dude, you are entitled to charge and maybe the funds

would allow you to make some nice glossy books and thus

spread the word even more" -- I would reply:



" Take away the poisoned chalice. I will not drink from it.

It's temptations are deadly and it's fruits corrupt the soul ."



I will not make a living out of helping the living live in confidence

of knowing how the world is really working. It's anathema to me.

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