10/25/2002 Entry: "Senator Wellstone Assassinated by group linked to BUSH Sr."

SENATOR PAUL WELLSTONE... ASSASSINATED BY US BASED COVERT INTELIGENCE GROUP LINKED TO GEORGE BUSH SR...VOXFUX HAS BEEN WARNING OF AN IMMINENT ASSASSINATION OF A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR SINCE May 2001. (THE EVENING THAT SENATOR JEFFORDS ROBBED BUSH OF TRIPARTITE CONTROL OF ALL BRANCHES OF THE GOVERNMENT.) IF YOU KNOW THE HISTORY OF THE BUSH ORGANIZATION THEN YOU WILL KNOW WHO MASTERMINDED THIS "ACCIDENT."











SENATOR PAUL WELLSTONE ASSASSINATED BY COVERT US TERROR GROUP LINKED TO BUSH



The eerie resemblance to an identical Senator assassination two years ago goes completely unmentioned in the media.

by voxfux





America is gripped in a protracted, internal power seizure - this much is certain. The whole world is united against the policies of this shadow American government who has whipped the American people into a war frenzy. And it appears now that nearly each and every violent act of "Terrorism" since 911 and including 911 has its origin in America and is perpetrated by Americans - NOT Muslims.



And now, Democratic Senator Paul Wellstone is the latest victim of this clandestine US based, assassination group, racing to consolidate total power in the hands of George Bush.



In my May 25th Article of 2001, I laid out an explicit warning that a Democratic Senator would meet an untimely death by either an Anthrax hit or in a plane crash. (Click here for the article which predicted Wellstone's assassination) This article was written four months prior to the Sept 11th attacks and six months before the anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy.



Wellstone was assassinated under the exact same circumstances as Mel Carnahan, two years ago. Carnahan the Democrat was beating John Ashcroft, but with just two weeks remaining before election day, Carnahans plane conveniently crashes. It is still not enough for the widely un-popular Ashcroft - When the voters considered the prospects of another six years with this Ashcroft, THE VOTERS VOTED FOR THE DECEASED CARNAHAN (actually his wife) RATHER THAN HAVE ASHCROFT FOR ANOTHER TERM ! What was Ashcroft’s reward for getting beaten by the man who he probably just rubbed out? ? Bush made Mr Popularity - Top cop.



Welcome to the fourth Reich.



What's most chilling about this series of identical assassinations is that it demonstrates the sheer brazenness and boldness of the operations of this shadowy group of private clandestine intelligence operatives, currently buttressing Bush. It’s as if they are feeling out their limits of carte blanche with the press and the American people and finding they have no limits. - Seeing how much we will take - And finding that there is no limit to how much we will take and how much we will let them get away with. As for whether there will ever be a mention of their operations in the major media... Apparently not.



Just a tiny beacon of light called VOXNYC.COM (VOXNYC the only place right now to get the hard truth. No other media is even going near our conclusions) There appears to be no limits. The media is simply signalling that there is no limits to what they can get away with. They are getting away with blatantly suspicious murders without even a mention in ANY American major media that there are some strange corollaries here, between the Carnahan and the Wellstone “accidents" (assassinations)



But this time these killers left nothing for chance. They murdered Wellstone’s whole family - wife and daughter - to prevent the voters of Minnesota from launching a similar protest vote like the one’s in Missouri did against Ashcroft. (They voted for the murdered Carnahan’s wife Jean.) So this time they wiped out the whole family - they are leaving nothing for chance. They are absolutely ruthless and dedicated to achieving their mission.



It was sickening to hear Ashcroft’s recollection of Carnahan’s death (murder) just as it was sickening to witness Bushes comments about Wellstone's "accident" (murder), the man Bush sought to oust - the man who life Bushes' forces just extinguished.



This “hit” should send a chill up the spine of every awake and decent person in America. The "Coincidental Premature Deaths" surrounding anyone who stands in the way of the Bush families' power seizures are impossible to ignore.



Constant fear is now the single biggest media currency. Fear is the principal focus of all our leaders and all in the major media. It is the heaviest traded commodity. More net capital is exhausted in the promotion by our leaders and media of fear than of SUV's. And while the circumstances of that fear shift from day to day the fact remains that it is vague and non specific fear alone which rules in America.



Sound the alarms and alert each and every adult person in America. Also help in any way you can with massive grassroots campaigns to assist Minnesota in assuring that these assassins behind Bush don’t get their victory in Wellstone’s murder. Converge all efforts onto Democratic Senate races and especially the Minnesota race. Do not let them have their victory. There is a protracted, calculated, and extraordinarily bloody seizure of power currently gripping America. If we resist we can hold them off. If we sit like sheep we deserve everything these wolves have in store for us. For these wolves think we are easy pickings. And we have given them no reason to think anything contrary.



The American Simulacrasphere is a swarming ocean of bullshit and lies, stoked by spineless cowards called American journalists churning out lie after lie, nothing after nothing - All aiding and abetting the enemy - destroying the critical faculty of each American.



The American LieScape is run by shifty murderers, Yale male cheerleading Lord Fauntleroys, crooked business types, and scumbag lawyers - All feeding on the already ravaged population. Whose minds and souls have been laid waste by the stultifying effects of years of television news and sitcoms. And the horribly desensitizing American advertizing vernacular which destroys the minds of generation after generation of Americans.



Raytheon, with defense operations in Texas made the plane that did the job on Wellstone and his family. Raytheon is a model for http://www.peacenowar.net/CAQ.htm shadowy operations. Makers of fine surface to surface cruise missiles which

regularly rock impoverished people the world over, Raytheon’s subsidiary structure follows the exact M.O. as another famous Texas based shadow corp - Enron - with Raytheon having subsidiaries in such shadowy havens as Bermuda, Virgin Islands, United Arab Emirates and the Philippines. Raytheon is also a big campaign contributor. Their Tomahawk missiles have become the remote control weapons of choice for US Presidents hoping to inflict maximum bloodshed of foreign lives and gain valuable "pay back" considerations from Corporate bosses here at home - Because the price tag of lighting off a weeks worth of these things could be a cool Billion. In fact Clinton lit off a fury of Tomahawks during his very own weekend stab at Osama hiding somewhere in Afdghanistan. That weekend of bombardment cost US taxpayors 100 million. That's a lot of health care. That's a lot of social security.



Raytheon specializes in two things

1) Making Killing Machines

2) Pleasing Administrations



Looks like they could have killed two birds with one (Well)stone. I’m not saying they did, just they could have. After all they are the experts at steering missiles into their targets, it’s a simple matter steering one Senator into the ground. And Raytheon certainly owes some serious favors to the Bush Regime. As I wrote in my dirty bomb article in June of this year, "Each time a Raytheon missile made in Texas, rocks some empty valley in Afghanistan, or worse, an agrarian village, that’s three million dollars in some fat cat crony’s wallet - that fat cat crony is going to 'owe one' to the Bushes - It’s called reality - look into it. (And while the Raytheon angle is not central to my thesis, it does point out the many twisted layers of shadowy military / industrial / intelligence covert operators and the potential dodgyness which is bound to ensue.



If there is one word that could be said regarding the expectations of any one individual who stands between the Bush family and their rise to power - that would be “imperiled.” For the Bush dynasty is proving to be America’s bloodiest crime family, far bloodier than any gangsters in the era of Al Capone or in the contemporary ghettos of Los Angeles. The Bushes Bloody rise to power is not a conspiracy theory as they would mock you into thinking - It is real.

Bush had targeted Wellstone for elimination and personally recruited Wellstone's opponent Norm Coleman to run against him.



All this is possible in a world secretly ruled by a covert shadow government. Which itself is made possible by the sheeplike acquiescence of people willing to sit quiet while their world steadily turns to shit.



And the sad fact remains that millions of Americans believe, as CNN / CIA plants the lie directly into their brain, that Wellstone’s plane crashed because of "Bad Weather."



Read Voxfux's archive of the may 25th 2001 article which predicted Wellstone's assassination and the attempted assassination on the lives of Senators Leahy and Daschle. Here's the link:

Senator Assassination Plot



Raytheon Facts



Viewer Commentary: 121 comments

What the fuck is going on! I'm getting tired of all this. I tell you one thing, there will certainly be revenge against Bush and his group for all this. There will be a time when he is not president - he'll get his. As for the American people for accepting all this - well they deserve everything that they are going to get.

Posted by Liberator @ 10/25/2002 05:02 PM EST

I find it incredulous that the media said absolutely nothing about the possibility that this plane was destroyed by a bomb or missile to MURDER the one Senator that has spoken stridently for truth. They NEVER stated the obvious that the only one who gains from his death is Bush and his republican cronies and the corporate monsters of wall street... funny and tragic that the stock market rallied upon hearing of his death... If that doesn't want to make you pull out of this stock market, NOTHING on this earth will ever do so... I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICA - for it is no longer free... IT IS A MONARCHY OF TERROR AND EVIL...

Posted by Truth Seeker @ 10/25/2002 05:43 PM EST

Right on. The American juggernaut is a very evil and dark force, it will be interesting to see who will challenge it... The Chinese maybe???

Posted by Francis Roebling @ 10/25/2002 07:47 PM EST

Check out Halliburton.com Interesting. I post at the Freemasonry Watch discussion room. 11 days before the election we lose a great man. Bush offers his sympathy while at the same time appoints former CIA chief Webster to the SEC accounting oversight board. How illuminating, the only word that comes to mind is TREASON!

Posted by North Wind @ 10/25/2002 08:22 PM EST

Let's see Carnahan died same week two years ago. Same M.O. Plane crash before the election. Ashcroft still got beaten by a dead man, the voters elected Mel carnahan's wife in a vow of defiance against that Religious Fanatic Ashcroft.

Posted by Come on People... @ 10/25/2002 09:17 PM EST

Would someone PLEASE start shooting back in defense of our Constitution and Republic? Why the FUCK do we take this crap sitting down???

Posted by Small "r" republican @ 10/25/2002 09:57 PM EST

Vox, I just did a Google search with the terms "Wellstone" and "assassination." Results:

Bomb Discovered in Colombia before visit of U.S. Senator, Ambassador: http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/12/01/colombia.wellstone.03/

Apparently there was a bombing attempt against Wellstone during his visit to Columbia in 2000. When that failed, there was a lethal spraying attempt:

http://www.americas.org/news/nir/20001210_herbicide_douses_u_s_senator.asp

Hope I copied those links correctly. If not, do it yourself . . . and draw your own conclusions!

Here's another link the search turned up, one with some interesting background. A partial quote:

"Who would have guessed that the hopes of both major parties in the midterm elections would hinge on one man: Senator Paul Wellstone of Minnesota? Wellstone, who is generally viewed by the Washington establishment as an outré 60s-radical type, is in the race of his life for reelection this fall. The most liberal member of the Senate, where the Democrats hold a one-seat majority, is in a neck-and-neck contest with President Bush's hand-picked candidate, Norm Coleman, the party-switching former mayor of St. Paul. Bush and Vice President Cheney intervened to make sure Coleman would not face a primary challenge, and they are now aggressively campaigning to help Coleman push Wellstone out . . ."

link: http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxrc052402.html

But why is it always, in the end, a plane crash? Someone ought to do a book on all these plane crashes that SO conveniently result in the untimely demise of the inconvenient.

To any US servicemen or -women reading this post, OBSERVE YOUR OATH! Defend our Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC! You've got the guns and you know what to do with them. HONOR YOUR OATH!

Posted by Small "d" democrat @ 10/25/2002 10:52 PM EST

Why was Sen. Paul Wellstone called

a "radical Liberal"? Why is it a

"bad" thing to vote with one's

conscience and to stand by one's

principles? Hooray for Sen. Paul

Wellstone for being the one voice

to say "No" to the Iraq Resolution.

Now, more than ever,we owe it to ourselves to defend OUR Constitution. This is serious and

this is real.

Posted by dShays (as in Shays Rebellion) @ 10/26/2002 12:22 AM EST

It is incredible... Just Incredible... It's a very bad time to be American. I will move to Europe untill there is some sanity here - if ever. I never thought I could leave America, but there is just less and less each day that compels me to stay. The people here are getting uglier and meaner each day and the brutishness and thugishness in the streets is just not the America I remember.

This place is starting to look like crowds of skinheads, like Nazi's. Believe it or not, this hair style does have allusions to and pertainant semiotics relating to a FASCIST mentality.

Bye Bye folks

I'm going to free my soul...

...and get the fuck outta this shithole.

Posted by Laura DeAngelo @ 10/26/2002 02:32 AM EST

To not recognize that the conspiracies occur in the spirit world is to be part of the problem. Satan uses any tool available. The government is only one of his tools. Did the government decided to terrorize society with a sniper before the elections? Satan sure did, because he wants conservatives in power.

Posted by Gary Novak @ 10/26/2002 02:39 AM EST

I remember the prediction you made a long time ago. It struck me then and I am absolutely floored reading it again. Your prescience is second to none, vox. I am about to explode, here. If you can predict these things one and a half years before they happen why the hell don't the major newspapers start taking note of your work?

Posted by Dawn Hanse @ 10/26/2002 06:43 AM EST

Knew I'd find the truth here--thanks, vox, for speaking for me as I have no one to talk to and am banned from speaking at work--get the odd comment in here and there and watch eyes literally glaze over and their turning and walking away w/o a word--media-brainwashed robots. Still hoping that madmen will misjudge and will try to pull something off that will backfire and wake up zomboids. My heart is heavy over this blatant murder of a good man and those w/him.

Keep on writing the truth,vox.

Peace, Kathleen

Posted by kathleen beatty @ 10/26/2002 09:49 AM EST

I was watching the C(IA)NN, when they announced that Mr. Wellstone's plane went down. My husband and I both thought immediately "THEY killed him." I'm elated to know that there are so many people out there who can recognize the true reality of what's going on around us. Thanks vox, not only for your amazingly well-articulated views but your courage to post them.

Posted by Amanda Garrison @ 10/26/2002 10:04 AM EST

Do not go to the Twin Cities local paper startribune.com and suggest that the crash was anything more than an accident - they will reprimand you like a kindergartener.

They want to play the delusional zombies that they are.

Thanks for having a forum where people can say what they feel.

Cass

Posted by Cass Arolin @ 10/26/2002 11:26 AM EST

I'm not American, but I've been phoning and emailing US reps to add my voice to the anti-war movement. It's going to get ugly for you people, but understand that the world does not hate Americans, only the Bu(ll)sh(it) regime. Your founding fathers did it, you can too. REJECT Coleman.

Godd luck, I'll be here to do whatever I can.



Oct. 3, WSWS.org "The statements of presidential spokesperson Ari Fleischer at the White House Tuesday should have clarified any such misconceptions. Speaking from a podium bearing the presidential seal, Fleischer publicly advocated political assassination as a means of realizing US foreign policy."

Posted by Brio @ 10/26/2002 11:39 AM EST

I was working on my friends house when the phone rang. He was on the other end. "They killed Wellstone" were his first words. My friend is a former host of a long defunct WBAI dissident talk radio show that was on late night in the 80's. He was relieved of his duties for telling the truth. We are now middle aged and sadly jaded. The truth is this cabal will stop at nothing to gain everything. No amount of demonstrating, protesting or any other action will do anything to halt this. Tom Delay isnt going to die in "plane crash". This is one party rule. get used to it

Posted by firechannel @ 10/26/2002 12:07 PM EST

i talked to a first responder and he said that he couldn't talk about what he found, but there was something at the scene that supposedly makes it obvious what really happened. i'll try to find out what it is and keep y'all posted.(maybe i'll put him in my basement and give him lsd until he spills his guts) Coleman has a team of bloody killers behind him and running us foreign policy. to future politicians: dont let this murder dissuade you from speaking the truth. and i'll echo a previous comment to our armed serviceman: OBSERVE YOUR OATH protect our constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. you have the guns and know what to do with them.

just say NO to coleman

Posted by d. low @ 10/26/2002 01:38 PM EST

Anyone here, and I'm assuming most are at least grasping the concept, of world geopolitics, should not be surprised. I'd keep a close eye on Coleman, Vox. I'd also look into his connections, political, corporate, etc.

Anyone else interested in researching our 'leaders', specifically, dirt and deeds, should do a search for the Fifth Column text. It's extremely useful for ideas if you are just starting out on this path, even if you aren't a 'hacker'.

Posted by F3R4L @ 10/26/2002 03:22 PM EST

Hi folks Im radar from Scotland,I,d like to pass on my respects to the surving members of this family. I also agree with all the posts on this issue except for a couple of short sighted comments posted from the obvious,first heard of this 26/10/02 0500hrs on 5 live in UK and they did mention that this senator did go against popular opinium or words to that effect but said with no conspiracy undertones,but I myself immediately thought that these callous bastards killed them in cold blood , these monsters are so out of touch with true HUMAN feelings & morals and have been ever since they were not elected,kyoto, twin towers,opium fields in Afganistan from 70tons,est. to over 3000 tons in the space of a year how much would that be worth on the street? oh yeah now I see how the Taliban had to go ! huge huge huge increases in the defence budget to fight who because I see no one but the american amBUSH goverment,what would they gain by going into Iraq? come on AMERICA & the WORLD especially the main stream media, this PLANET is not for the faceless cowards it is for my child & yours. ps. there always will be hope, regards Radar in Scotland

Posted by Highland Radar @ 10/26/2002 03:36 PM EST

The recent untimely death of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone hit close to home both emotionally and literally. He was the voice of the little man in the senate, the "little giant." Vote with your conscience and on issues, not on party lines! A republican vote is a vote for war, sending thousands of innocent American soldiers that have been brainwashed by their government owners just as much as the majority of U.S. citizens have by the media, to their premature grave. A person should not label themselves as a Democrat or Republican, each person has their own points of view and should vote best on the candidates that individually support those views.

Saddam poses no threat to the U.S. as he stands, but I guarantee when we pre-emptively strike him, we will see more terror on America's soil, and rightfully so. Looks like we have a repeat Vietnam on our hands. We know this is all about oil, greed, power and money. It's obvious why Bush wants a war and to take over Iraq's oil fields being he has investments and special interest in oil companies and defense contractors. What does he have to lose, when on his word, he can send our troops to die and his wallet will only get fatter???

We should have no interest in foreign affairs until we can handle our own domestic problems such as stabilizing social security and medicare, and reforming education, healthcare, and welfare. Ever since the Bush administration has stepped into office, shit has hit the fan and fuckin' splattered everywhere, from the economy going to shit, voting scandals, and corporate fuckups that are in the interest of them anyhow. All that's happened to the citizens of America is the shedding of the very rights of freedom we've all cherished and been proud of up until that point, now the so called "War for Freedom" is anything but the less and more so should be called the "War for Oil" and the "war to Establish Fear and Shed Rights."

Seems funny how they had said that there was a cockpit voice recorder on Wellstone's plane and now all of a sudden there was no CVR on the plane. The NTSB spokeswoman just seems like a bitch as she is, and can't answer a heated question straight. This plane was made for the weather it was flying in, and it had made contact for a successful landing just 2 minutes in advance, which would have put the plane at a steady descent, if anything were to happen mechanically, the plane would have been able to glide to it's touchdown with the experience of the pilots, on the other hand it had veered of course and made a sharp angle to the crash site which meant it dropped out of the sky like a rock, which would be consistent with a plane being shot down or forced down. Or as simple as disconnecting the plane's de-icing equipment. Not unlike the John F. Kennedy Jr and Missouri Gov. Mel Carnahan crashes, both of which involved planes already descending towards landing that suddenly wandered off the approach path and crashed. In all three cases, radio contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in the air, indicating total electrical failures on board coincident with the event that drove them off course. Local corporate media in Minnesota "reported that at the time of the crash, visibilty was 3 to 4 miles, the ceiling was 200 to 400 feet, and the temperature was 34 degrees. The weatherman on this station then plainly said that iceing only occurs when the temperature is between 28 and 31 degrees."

Also seems funny that, Raytheon, the company that built the plane, is based out of Texas, and also the same company that manufactures tomahawk cruise missiles. It would obviously be in the company's interest if America were to go to war, and Sen. Wellstone was one of the few prominent senators to cast a vote of "NO" for war. Let there be no doubt as to the identity of George W. Bush’s least favorite Democratic U.S. senator. It was Wellstone, the rabble-rousing liberal Progressive who represented not just Minnesota but what remains of the fighting populist spirit of the Upper Midwest. But the Bush camp has been focusing highest-level attention on "Plan Wellstone" — its project to silence progressive opposition. The Bush and his administration despised Wellstone, who unlike most Senate Democrats had been fighting spirited battles against the new administration’s policies on everything from the environment to the tax cuts for the rich to military aid for the "Plan Colombia" drug war. Wellstone was also adamantly against the invasion of Iraq, wanted private investigations into WTC disaster, and pointed out prior knowledge of 9-11. He was also against Homeland Security, and the Patriot Act. Is this a warning to other senators, not to go against Bush and to vote for anything that is put in front of them i.e. the Patriot Act? Sen. Wellstone fought to bolster Americans' privacy rights and limit government surveillance of the Internet.

"If Bush had died in a plane crash, would there not be immediate open speculation about the possibility of assassination? Wellstone held the balance in the Senate for the Democrats; he was as opposed to Bush policies as any Senator could be, in issues of war, health policy, and labor issues. His death has great political and social significance." So far, corporate media has not raised the possibility of assassination and is pointing to bad weather conditions as the cause of the crash. There is much doubt about this story, though.

Sherlock Holmes solved at least one case by noticing that something that should be present was missing. In the Hound of the Baskervilles, he solved the case by noticing that no one reported a barking dog. So what's missing in terms of the Wellstone plane crash? For the last 14 months, anytime there has been a plane crash, the media go way overboard in assuming that this must somehow be a terrorist incident. The initial reaction of the media in the first hours of the event is always now "oh my, I hope this isn't happening again. I hope this isn't another terrorist attack." Just a few days ago, there was a news story that Al-Queda may be targeting US Senators. The story referred to the possibilities of sniper attacks on golf courses. Just a few days later, a US Senator dies. So, what's missing? Sen. Wellstone's plane crashes, and there is absolutely no speculation that this is a terrorist attack. Somehow the media immediately knows that this plane crash was caused by bad weather, and this is in no way a terrorist attack. The media dog has been barking "terrorist" steadily for 14 months. Today the dog didn't bark.

This is it, folks, war has been declared on us by those among us who seek to give absolute power to a fascist regime that wants to plunge us and the world into an eternal war to fuel their own lust for wealth and power. If America allows this murder to go unaddressed, uninvestigated by an unbiased, thorough investigators in a search for facts open at every turn to the public, then our nation is doomed. The Nazis are here to stay. Who then, will be next?

The executive branch has already slyly given itself more power over the other branches, and the republicans already have control over both the executive and judicial branches. If the republicans shift the seats their way in congress, then, they too will have control of the legislative branch, and our rights will be even more shed and tyrant Bush won't have to doubt anything he wants to pass. Ever since he corruptly put himself in office in 2000, whom the populist didn't favor, everything in this country has gone downhill. Prior to the 2000 election I was proud to be an American, now at times I am ashamed. The government is supposed to be representative of the people, but it'sn not in the least bit. Some fuckin' Arlington, VA. based company that supports republicans was going to fund an anti-Wellstone campaign in the weeks prior to the election. This is an election for the "Representative" of the Minnesota people...not a fuckin' outstate company.

The Democrats held control of the Senate by 1 seat, with the loss of Wellstone, it makes it even more convenient for the crooks to get their way, giving them more power.

This election is as important as any other. Let's make these fucking crooks sorry for what they are worth. They can fuckin' try all they fuckin' want to put that fuckin' circus clown "who can juggle"--if you've seen his sorry ass commericials--lmfao...Norm "FAG"man into office. But lets make our VOICES be heard and not give into the bullshit they have handed us. Unless you are rich or support terrorism and the possibility of launching World War III, and if you like to have your rights shed...vote republican, but if you like your rights and don't want to obliterated in a nuclear war, keep the votes away from them. I'm not saying to vote Democrat, but they have the best chance of keeping a crook out of office. Indepenent is the way to, not necessarily as the party, but as an indepentent voice, don't vote on party lines!

Lets carry on the voice of the belated Sen. Paul Wellstone, who was without question the greatest voice in favor of we the people, so lets continue to make our voice heard in the echo of his.

In memory and honor of the late Sen. Paul Wellstone, 1944-2002

~Live on Fighter, may your voice forever be heard in the name of the fight for the people, and continue your fight from the heavens above~

Posted by synapse @ 10/26/2002 03:53 PM EST

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!! HOW MUCH MORE WILL IT TAKE FOR THIS COUNTRY TO REALIZE THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION WILL STOP AT NOTHING TO CONTROL US AND THE WORLD! EVERY ONE PLEASE WRITE,CALL OR E-MAIL YOUR CONGRESSPERSON AND SENATORS. DEMANDAN INVESTIGATION INTO THIS APPARENT ASSSINATION. WE THOUGHT NIXON WAS BAD. WHAT HE DID IS NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT BUSH AND CHENEY ARE DOING TO THIS COUNTRY! WAKE UP AMERICA! DEMAND ACTION NOW! IMPEACH THESE BASTARDS! SAVE OUR COUNTRY!!!

Posted by James Tomkin @ 10/26/2002 05:50 PM EST

VOXNYC will be bringing you a series of pointers on successfully navigating the oceans of bullshit and lies that comprise the New World Order.

"I'm an American tired of American lies."

Try these for a little truth.

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/wtc-demolition.htm The World Trade Center Demolition. 740 KB

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm Chapters One of the FEMA WTC collapse report (with comment). 850 KB

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch2.htm Chapters Two of the FEMA WTC collapse report (with comment). 1.9 MB

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/WhatHitThePentagon The Pentagon Crash Hoax. 1.4 MB

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/STF/stranger-than-fiction.htm Stranger Than Fiction. 600 KB

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7big.rm Video of the demolition of WTC7.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/7collapse.avi Another video of the demolition of WTC7.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif Small animated-gif of the demolition of WTC7.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif Large version of the animated-gif. Large 3.3 MB file.

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/Schmid/WhoBlewUpWTC.html Who Blew Up the World Trade Center.

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/Schmid/CloudsOfConcrete_2.html What Identifies A Demolition?

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/Schmid/index.html Full listing of Eric Hufschmid's early web articles.

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/arabs-not-to-blame.htm Arabs Not To Blame For 9-11.

http://nerdcities.com/guardian/SeptemberEleventh/ang-mission.htm The Treasonous Air National Guard's Mission And Vision Statements.

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html The World Trade Center Demolition from serendipity.magnet.ch

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/mslp_ii.htm McMichael's Analysis Of The World Trade Center Demolition.

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/insurers.htm The World Trade Center Demolition As An Insurance Scam?

http://www.mujahideen.fsnet.co.uk/wtc/wtc-hijackers.htm Many Hijackers Still Alive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1559000/1559151.stm Hijackers Still Alive From the BBC.

http://www.nerdcities.com/guardian Full list of articles from www.nerdcities.com/guardian

Posted by Doug Smith @ 10/26/2002 05:52 PM EST

[The following are excerpts from an article in the May 27, 2002 edition of The Nation magazine. The full article can be found on the web at http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020527&s=nichols ] Paul Wellstone, Fighter

by JOHN NICHOLS

[from the May 27, 2002 issue]

Paul Wellstone is a hunted man. Minnesota's senior senator is not just another Democrat on White House political czar Karl Rove's target list, in an election year when the Senate balance of power could be decided by the voters of a single state. Rather, getting rid of Wellstone is a passion for Rove, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush and the special-interest lobbies that fund the most sophisticated political operation ever assembled by a presidential administration. "There are people in the White House who wake up in the morning thinking about how they will defeat Paul Wellstone," a senior Republican aide confides. "This one is political and personal for them."

That has made it political and personal for Wellstone. The man who decided to abandon a self-imposed two-term limit on his Senate service at least in part because of his determination to block Bush's conservative agenda wears the target with pride. At a moment when most Democrats are still trying to figure out how to challenge a popular President, the former college wrestler is leaping into the ring. Wellstone is not running for cover; he is running to deliver a message about politics in a state and a nation that he believes to be far more progressive than the readers of political tea leaves in Washington could begin to imagine.

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"Paul's a controversial guy. He's the little guy who takes on the big guys. That is not something the political process is designed to reward these days. If you take strong stands you put yourself at risk--and Paul takes more strong stands on more issues than just about anyone else."

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The man who began burning bridges [in 1990] with the Bush family when he challenged then-President Bush's Persian Gulf War preparations on their first meeting ("Who is this chickenshit?" Bush Sr. asked) may be the Senate's boldest foe of the Star Wars national missile defense program and of increased military aid to Colombia.

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Congressional Quarterly says no senator had a more consistent record of voting against Bush Administration proposals during the new President's first year. Wellstone racks up 100 percent ratings from the AFL-CIO, Americans for Democratic Action and the League of Conservation Voters. He is the veteran grassroots organizer hailed by consumer activists for waging a three-year battle to temper the draconian "bankruptcy reform" bill pushed by the credit card industry. He is the former college professor who has been the chief Senate voice of those who maintain that education-reform initiatives must involve better measures of success than standardized tests. He is the crusader for disability rights and healthcare reform who--since he was diagnosed in February as having a mild form of multiple sclerosis--is in demand not merely as an advocate but as a very human example of what the struggles are about. The Minneapolis Star Tribune recently described him as "the go-to guy to advance the causes of educators, environmentalists, consumer and labor groups, the elderly and the poor."

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Now, Rove is gambling presidential prestige and Republican dollars on the prospect that the upper Midwest is the key to taking back a Senate that went Democratic last spring after Vermont Senator Jim Jeffords exited the GOP. "Midwestern voters don't feel the connection with the Democrats that they once did," crows Rove. To that end, Wellstone, South Dakota's Tim Johnson and Iowa's Tom Harkin, all up for re-election, are getting what GOP insiders call "the Rove treatment": recruitment of high-profile Republican challengers, major-league fundraising assistance and regular presidential visits. All other things being equal, picking off either Johnson or Harkin would be enough to split the Senate 50-50 and again allow Vice President Cheney to break partisan ties. But beating Wellstone would be the sweetest win. "They have made it very clear that if they could beat one Democrat this year, it would be Paul Wellstone," says Minnesota political consultant Richman. "Paul gets under their skin."

"When I first met the President, he called me 'Pablo,'" Wellstone jokes. "That lasted a day or two. Then they started trying to figure out how they were going to get rid of me."

**

Posted by L.G. @ 10/26/2002 06:51 PM EST

I am still numb. Yesterday when someone came up to me and reported "what happened" I knew that instant it was no accident. My stomach dropped. I was no big fan of Wellstone, as I felt he compromised too much for mainstream politics. Regardless, he did have the courage and conviction to speak out on certain key issues, and this, my friends, got him assasinated. Are people going to sit idly by like sheep, like digusting passive slaves, or demand some justice? It astounds me to witness the apathy, the cluelessness, and the sheer indifference of the masses. And what do we have when the few who SEE the truth are too weak to do anything about it? We need to MOBILIZE, to VOICE THE TRUTH, to REFUSE to allow Coleman to get into office. This is the very least we can do to achieve some kind of remote justice for Wellstone. This ordeal is so, so terrible. I am torn between rage and the deepest sorrow. I look at the photos of this guy and his wife and daughter...he was so impassioned, so sincere, so full of conviction. It is a matter of time before the operators of sites such as www.voxnyc.com, www.fromthewilderness.com etc are next. I am getting the hell out of this country...I have seen enough.

Posted by Phillip Gebser @ 10/26/2002 09:33 PM EST

I been thinking about a possible pattern seen in the recent suspicious airplane 'accidents'.

A comment above from 'synapse' above reads: "both [JFK Jr's and Gov. Carnahan's accidents] involved planes already descending towards landing that suddenly wandered off the approach path and crashed. In all three cases, radio contact appears to have been cut off while the planes were still in the air, indicating total electrical failures on board coincident with the event that drove them off course."

Here's an idea. The perfect way to sabotage a landing airplane would be to use a focused electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) device. These machines are already being manufactured and marketed to law enforcement for the purpose of stopping fleeing vehicles.

http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/sl298.txt

A person a few miles upwind from the runway could bombard the aircraft with an intense electromagnetic pulse which would cause total electrical failure, instantly knocking out radio communication, disrupting normal engine ignition, and causing loss of steering control. The steering control surfaces on this airplane are controled by individual electrical actuators that are mechanically linked to the rudder, ailerons, and flaps.

This type of sabotage would leave no physical evidence on the aircraft, although it's possible that people at the airport or in the general vicintiy might have noticed electrical anomalies like radio noises, a crashed computer, telephone disruption, and the like. There might even be an eyewitness who noticed that the aircraft's engines went silent or saw the plane careen off course.

Posted by Mr Bill @ 10/27/2002 01:21 AM EST

have you seen this?

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm (it's in English)

(awesome info that makes you think a bit)

see if you can really find the plane

Posted by Goose @ 10/27/2002 02:44 AM EST

I do concur with synapse's analysis of the media coverage. I find it very peculiar that the media won't even mention the possibility that foul play could be responsible. All the focus seems to be on the weather however the weather doesn't appear to be as bad as the media makes it out to be. On the TwinCities.com website, an article qoutes a Traci Chacich, the airport office manager, that "two smaller Beech Queen Airs landed at the same airport two hours earlier without incident. 'It was a bit foggy, but nothing to speak of,', she said."

Heres the link

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/4371837.htm

In the same article it is said that the King Air A100s have a relatively good safetly record with only 2 fatal crashes in the last 6 years. "Both involved experienced pilots who crashed while trying to make Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches in heavy fog. The NTSB ruled that the probable cause of the accidents were due to pilot's failure to follow Instrument Flight Rule procedures and maintain the minimum descent altitude when landing."

Sen. Wellstone's main pilot was a professional pilot with lots of experience flying Wellstone around.

Could it be that he misjudged the landing descent altitude because of heavy fog and lost control of the plane? Could it be that they were rushed to land because they had taken off late from the Twin Cities, after sitting in the airplane for 25 minutes before takeoff? It could well be that Sen.Wellstone was rushed however he hated flying and I am sure he wouldn't tell the pilot to rush his landing. If the airport manager indicated that 2 planes, including a UPS plane, had already landed 2 hours earlier that morning

and that the fog wasn't much too speak of, then I guess we will keep on guessing what happened.

Another strange piece in the story so far is the apparent unnamed witness that lived nearby who saw the plane travel over his house at 100 feet and observed "it jerking or 'crabbing to the right.' Who is this witness and what is his name? Why does the media quote a witness to the death of a US Senator and not state his name?

This witness also states he felt the impact of the crash and then heard a "loud shot." What was this shot? Has anyone seen this witness on TV or catch his name in another news article?

Here is the link to that story on StarTribune

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1752/3391129.html

From the same article, Carol Carmody of NTSB states the following, " The plane was 90 degrees off a routine approach to the westbound runway...Further, its angel of descent was 'steeper than the normal approach'. ...She said investigators flew over the crash site in a helicopter Saturday to outline the scene. While in the air, she said, investigators saw TREETOPS SHEARED AT SHARP ANGLES, revealing the plane's path as it plunged into wooded, marshy terrain... Carmody said the damage to the trees began 150 feet from the spot where the plane was found."----My question is what does this mean? How can they tell how steep an angle a plain crashed at by the angles of shearing of treetops and the path of the crash in a flat, wooded area? I am trying to imagine how different crashes would do different things to trees but I don't see how the crash was steep its path was 150 feet and treetops were sheared along the way. A plane the falls straight out of the sky would have a small crash area and thus a very steep descent. I just don't understand what she is trying to say. To me it seems like the pilots were already flying low and went into a long crash landing.

If I find any other oddities I'll post.

Posted by jab @ 10/27/2002 02:58 AM EST

I do concur with synapse's analysis of the media coverage. I find it very peculiar that the media won't even mention the possibility that foul play could be responsible. All the focus seems to be on the weather however the weather doesn't appear to be as bad as the media makes it out to be. On the TwinCities.com website, an article qoutes a Traci Chacich, the airport office manager, that "two smaller Beech Queen Airs landed at the same airport two hours earlier without incident. 'It was a bit foggy, but nothing to speak of,', she said."

Heres the link

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/4371837.htm

In the same article it is said that the King Air A100s have a relatively good safetly record with only 2 fatal crashes in the last 6 years. "Both involved experienced pilots who crashed while trying to make Instrument Landing System (ILS) approaches in heavy fog. The NTSB ruled that the probable cause of the accidents were due to pilot's failure to follow Instrument Flight Rule procedures and maintain the minimum descent altitude when landing."

Sen. Wellstone's main pilot was a professional pilot with lots of experience flying Wellstone around.

Could it be that he misjudged the landing descent altitude because of heavy fog and lost control of the plane? Could it be that they were rushed to land because they had taken off late from the Twin Cities, after sitting in the airplane for 25 minutes before takeoff? It could well be that Sen.Wellstone was rushed however he hated flying and I am sure he wouldn't tell the pilot to rush his landing. If the airport manager indicated that 2 planes, including a UPS plane, had already landed 2 hours earlier that morning

and that the fog wasn't much too speak of, then I guess we will keep on guessing what happened.

Another strange piece in the story so far is the apparent unnamed witness that lived nearby who saw the plane travel over his house at 100 feet and observed "it jerking or 'crabbing to the right.' Who is this witness and what is his name? Why does the media quote a witness to the death of a US Senator and not state his name?

This witness also states he felt the impact of the crash and then heard a "loud shot." What was this shot? Has anyone seen this witness on TV or catch his name in another news article?

Here is the link to that story on StarTribune

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1752/3391129.html

From the same article, Carol Carmody of NTSB states the following, " The plane was 90 degrees off a routine approach to the westbound runway...Further, its angel of descent was 'steeper than the normal approach'. ...She said investigators flew over the crash site in a helicopter Saturday to outline the scene. While in the air, she said, investigators saw TREETOPS SHEARED AT SHARP ANGLES, revealing the plane's path as it plunged into wooded, marshy terrain... Carmody said the damage to the trees began 150 feet from the spot where the plane was found."----My question is what does this mean? How can they tell how steep an angle a plain crashed at by the angles of shearing of treetops and the path of the crash in a flat, wooded area? I am trying to imagine how different crashes would do different things to trees but I don't see how the crash was steep its path was 150 feet and treetops were sheared along the way. A plane the falls straight out of the sky would have a small crash area and thus a very steep descent. I just don't understand what she is trying to say. To me it seems like the pilots were already flying low and went into a long crash landing.

If I find any other oddities I'll post.

Posted by jab @ 10/27/2002 02:58 AM EST

INVESTIGATORS: Plane, far off course, crashed perpendicular to runway

BY KERMIT PATTISON, TODD NELSON and PHILLIP PIÑA

Pioneer Press

EVELETH, Minn. — In the final moments before the crash that killed U.S. Sen. Paul Wellstone and seven others, the small plane was flying an unusually steep descent and dramatically off course from the runway, a top investigator said Saturday.

The Beechcraft King Air A100 somehow had turned away from the airport despite a radio message indicating it was on final approach. Carol Carmody, acting chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, said the plane appeared to have been flying on a course roughly perpendicular to the runway at the point of impact.

"The aircraft was not aligned with the runway center," said Carmody. "It appears to be headed south and it was about 90 degrees off what would be a routine approach. We don't know why this is. We will try to find out."

On the first day of the investigation, officials revealed that Wellstone's plane contained no cockpit voice recorder that might offer clues about why it mysteriously plunged into a wooded, swampy area 2½ miles southeast of the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport on Friday morning.

But they did recover other evidence, including both the plane's engines, which will be examined for possible clues. They also found damaged propellers, indicating they were turning when the plane hit the ground — though that does not necessarily mean they did not malfunction.

Carmody said she had consulted with the FBI and there was no intelligence information and no evidence in the wreckage that suggested any possibility of terrorism.

Investigators likely will spend three to five more days at the site gathering evidence before returning to Washington to continue their analysis. Carmody said the NTSB may take months to make a final determination about the cause of the crash.

The plane apparently had been descending sharply when it sheared off the tops of trees and crashed in a bog. Carmody said strike damage to trees began about 150 feet from the crash site and showed an unusually precipitous downward angle.

"The angle was steeper than what would be expected in normal, standardized, stabilized approach," she said.

The crash killed Wellstone, 58, as the Democrat sought a third term in the Senate in a hotly contested race against Republican Norm Coleman. Also killed were the senator's wife, Sheila, 58; their daughter, Marcia Wellstone Markuson, 33; campaign aides Will McLaughlin, 23, Tom Lapic, 49, and Mary McEvoy, 49; and pilots Richard Conry, 55, and Michael Guess, 30.

One witness told investigators that the plane sounded unusually loud as it flew low over his house moments before the crash.

"It was so close the windows were shaking," said Rodney Allen, possibly the last person to see the plane before the crash.

Carmody said Allen told investigators he was accustomed to planes flying overhead. He said he looked out the window and saw the westbound plane pass about 100 feet over his house, about five miles southeast of the airport. He said it had been "crabbing to the right," or slipping to the side, as it moved forward in the manner of a crab, Carmody said.

"He went back to watching television and within a minute, less than a minute, he felt an impact and heard what he called a loud shot," said Carmody. "He thought it might have been a rifle or something. He didn't know what it was. He figured out later that it probably was connected with the crash," about two miles west of his house.

The NTSB had hoped to find a voice recorder in the wreckage. But on Saturday investigators learned the plane did not carry one and was not required to under Federal Aviation Administration regulations, said Carmody.

"We don't know what might have been on it," she said. "Of course we would have liked to have had it, absolutely."

Carmody said it was too soon to determine whether aircraft icing had contributed to the crash. Investigators are reviewing weather data and looking for valves and cockpit switches that might indicate whether the pilots had tried to deice the aircraft while in flight.

In addition to crash scene evidence, investigators routinely examine atmospheric conditions, maintenance records and the records of the pilots. An investigator Saturday traveled to the regional FAA center to obtain radar tapes and talk to controllers.

NTSB investigators refused to draw any conclusions from the physical evidence. But one experienced aviator from the area said the evidence suggested that something happened that caused the pilots to lose control of the plane.

"They were no longer in control of the aircraft," said Don Sipola, a former president of the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport Commission, who has 25 years of experience flying at the airport. "That will be the $64 question—what occurred in the last few minutes that distracted them or caused them to wrestle control of the aircraft."

"Something caused them at low altitude to veer off course," Sipola said.

The angle of descent also indicates an out-of-control flight, Sipola said. The normal approach for the aircraft is a descent of 3 degrees, he said. But Sipola said NTSB investigators told him Saturday that the plane was descending at 30 degrees.

"This was a real steep bank, not a nice, gentle don't-spill-the-coffee descent," Sipola said. "This is more like the space shuttle coming down. This was not a controlled flight into the ground."

The chartered campaign plane took off Friday morning from St. Paul Downtown Airport and headed for the Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport. Wellstone was en route to the 11 a.m. funeral in Virginia of Martin Rukavina, father of state Rep. Tom Rukavina, DFL-Virginia.

Shortly after 10 a.m., the crew radioed the Eveleth airport and announced that they were approaching from the east and preparing to land on westbound Runway 27. The pilot then clicked his microphone button to automatically turn on the landing lights at the airport, which does not have a control tower.

At the time of the crash, the cloud ceiling at the airport was 700 feet. The visibility was reported at 2½ miles, well above the one-mile minimum for a standard instrument landing. A light fog blanketed the area and a few snowflakes drifted to the ground. Winds were light.

Allen, the eyewitness, said the area is surrounded by swamps so the moisture does tend to created more fog. The unemployed millwright said it appeared the plane was just coming out of the clouds at about 100 feet when it was above his home. With the plane so low "it appeared to me maybe they thought they were landing," Allen said.

A 16-person team of investigators from the NTSB began picking through the site around daybreak Saturday and continued working through a cold, overcast day.

Crews rode all-terrain vehicles to the site, about half a mile from the nearest road, and had to vary their routes to avoid becoming mired in the swamp with up to 2 feet of water. They later brought in logging machinery to build a makeshift road to the site.

"It's a tough trip," said Carmody. "It makes getting equipment, people and things out there difficult. We all walked out with a shovel apiece because we had to help get gear out there."

Officials said the wreckage was scattered over a relatively small impact area with most of the debris confined to an elevated patch roughly 300 by 190 feet on mostly dry ground. The post-crash fire consumed the cockpit and fuselage and the only recognizable parts remaining were the tail and part of the wings.

"It looks like a tremendous fire pit," said Kevin Smith, a spokesman for the Minnesota Department of Public Safety.

Medical examiners removed the remains of the victims Saturday afternoon and expect to complete post-mortem investigation today, officials said.

One of Wellstone's two sons visited the crash site Friday night, Carmody said. The NTSB will arrange visits for other family members who want them, possibly today.

"We've found through the sad experience we've had with accidents over the years that family members do like to go and see where their loved ones died," Carmody said. "It gives them a sort of closure, it gives them a degree of peace. It's a difficult thing to do. But most of them find it useful and most of them want to go. For those who want to go we make it possible. We always do it as soon as we reasonably can."

Posted by anonymous @ 10/27/2002 05:08 AM EST

Excellent article! You closely describe my sentiments. I named your article the Fight the Right site of the day on my site at http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor - I'm glad someone emailed me your link.

My article on Wellstone is at http://www.americaheldhostile.com/ed102502.shtml

May we continue to have the courage to seek the truth,

jackson

Posted by Jackson Thoreau @ 10/27/2002 06:37 AM EST

"WHO is THIS CHICKENSHHIT?" BUSH sr. on WELLSTONE

You are either WITH US or youre WELLSTONED.

http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=24943

Paul Wellstone grew up in Virginia and attended the University of North Carolina where he was a champion wrestler. He taught policial science at Carleton College in Northfield, MN, before being elected to the senate in 1990 in a grassroots campaign, defeating the Republican incumbant Rudy Boschwitz, who had a campaign war chest of $7 million (large for that time). He was seen as the most liberal person to be eleted to the Senate since the 60s. During his first term he advocated for a single payer Universal Health Care system long after the Democratic party had abandoned advocating even a complicated managed care system. His pressing questions once led a clueless Geroge Bush Sr. to remark "Who is this chickenshhit?"

Link Below at the END.

Everything Bush.

NO MAYDAY CALL.

No black box!

Fishy to say the least.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1752/

Wed like an INDEPENDENT investigation to this HIGHY fishy plane crash of the Wellstone family and staff.If there indeed was foul play good gog does that means that they killed them all on board that plane/

Who's next? Or was that THE message from Hard Disc Cheney? "You DO NOT mess with the PRESIDENT when he is in a WAR"Paul Welstones plane crash of his family staff and two pilots was in effect a sign from our neozionist hawkishadministration that they will not let ANYONE get in their way.

You are either WITH US or youre WELLSTONED.

http://politicalgraveyard.com/death/aircraft.html

List of Politicians who died in Crashes.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20021025_1469.html

A W arning.

They shoot senators dont they?

They shoot presidents AND their kid brothers who get in "their" way too.

Heaven help us all.

As far as we're concerned this is really badass SCARY #####.

We have families too and want to live in peace not rest in it like Wellstone.

Poor Paul.

A HERO.

But a dead hero.

He will go down in history as one of the FEW SANE MEN in our government who opposed the BUSHAWKS and died for it.May he rest in peace. Poor poor Paul.

Who's next Cynthia McKinney?

David Letterman? Noam Chomsky? Phil Donahue?

You?

Us?

The Wellstone "Crash" was a Warning to us all.

To those of you with families please take heed.

We feel like we've said our peace.

What difference will it make anyway to be against the war?So we know.So you know.So everyone knows.So what?Its happening weather we like it or not.

A big difference will be if you get killed a la Wellstone.He was a high profile target who was working for the little guy ,how bout the little guys he was working for?No one would even know if anyone of us little guys died prematurely in some accident or suicide.Hell they wont even know we died.Wont even make the papers.THis Wellstone warning has us pretty shook up and are seriously reconsidering our anti bush anti war anti zionist stance.Heros R not us.Call us what you like.We have families too.

sincerely,until further notice...

ChickenDoves.

http://everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=1378779&node_id=473751

Posted by Art Bishop @ 10/27/2002 06:46 AM EST

Hey. I'm with ya. I'm reading, thinking, posting, letting people know about your site. I've been following this type of thing for years now, and i really enjoy your site.

That said, yesterday someone posted a comment about your archives and the sudden appearance of the prediction you had...

... like I said, I'm totally with you, but the comment has been taken down..

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: The former site was voxfux.com which was taken down it the weeks following the 911 attacks. The site was considerably MORE intense than this new VOXNYC site which has also been in operation for quite some time but changed it's interface in june of this year. All prior articles will be archived and linked soon. There is much work to be done and each day is simply filled with horror after horror that tending to past archives is becoming like everything else, we get to it them when we have the time. I've been screaming out my warnings since the anthrax mailings proved me right.

Sadly, I've got another warning. which will appear as soon as we get over the Midterm elections.

stay tuned...

vox

Please don't censor the skeptics. There's room for them too... it encourages healthy, lively debate.

Thanks for a terrific site.

Posted by a mom @ 10/27/2002 07:29 AM EST

Several comments. First the US lost a courageous, moral man. I personally like many others will mis him and his compassionate politics and views.

I also feel rather sorry for his family and everyone on that plane.

In my humble opinion there should be a complete investigation using totally objective investigators.

Let's get to the truth asap!!!

The American people have a right to know now.

While the timing of the crash couldn't be more unfortunate with the upcoming elections the investigation is even more crucial.

Posted by Lynda Appell @ 10/27/2002 08:24 AM EST

Thanks especially to the researchers posting to this list! As a Green Party USA member from Brooklyn, NY, and editor of its national paper, Green Politix, we'll be investigating the possibility that Paul, Sheila and Marcia Wellstone were murdered. Your help is appreciated.

Many of Paul Wellstone's recent votes on national and foreign policy were awful -- he voted, for instance, FOR the Patriot Act and a number of other horrible resolutions. (See counterpunch@counterpunch.org for documentation of these.) The Minnesota Greens have also been running a strong antiwar candidate against Wellstone, which in my view helped push Wellstone to voting finally against Bush's war on Iraq, to cover his antiwar Green flank in a close election. Working Assets had subjected the Greens to an intense campaign against us for challenging both Wellstone and Coleman in the current election, and we have called for a boycott of Working Assets as a result.

Despite this recent negative record on foreign policy issues, we understand that unlike most in Washington, Paul Wellstone emerged from our antiwar and social movements, and was not an opportunist or apologist for the banking or oil interests. That is why we mourn him -- as one of us, as a very decent person, as someone who came to life through our antiwar and antiracist movements.

Finally, the comment by Eric the Red on this list is most unfortunate and denigrates the fine work that others on the list are doing, when he writes:

>> please do ANYTHING to prevent Jewish Brooklynite Norm Coleman from becoming the next senator of your state! <<

Being Jewish, or from Brooklyn (I am also both!) has nothing to do why we should oppose Coleman, who exemplifies the Bush agenda. There is a huge difference between being Jewish and being an apologist for Israel. Many, many Jewish people oppose Israel's occupation of Palestine, including a growing number of Israeli soldiers, which are now known as refuseniks, who are refusing to fight in the Occupied Territories and who are being court martialed and imprisoned by Israel as a result.

Again, please keep up the terrific research on this list. It's extremely important, especially at this moment in history as our country stands on the precipice of becoming an out and out fascist state.

No to empire!

Mitchel Cohen

Brooklyn Greens / Green Party USA

www.greenparty.org

Posted by Mitchel Cohen @ 10/27/2002 08:52 AM EST

As a student pilot, this reminds me of 3 things: A problem I had myself but survived, a plane that crashed a few miles from my house with full power, and Kennedy's crash in '99. My problem was an autopilot that went on by itself and could not be switched off; not even the instructor realized, at low altitude, what it was -- the cure is to remove the fuse, but remember that while being about to land! The plane that crashed nearby had probably got ice on the tail and lost control. Kennedy, though... he flew down in the water (it is very hard to determine the height above water visually in certain weather, so you have to trust the instruments). This time too there was bad weather, they will have had to fly on instruments and had very little time after they got out.

Now, if the flight instruments had been malfunctioning in a specific way, that would explain the event. Up to four things must have been malfunctioning, though perhaps it could be enough with two: The horizont gyro, the vertical velocity indicator, the altimeter, and finally the autopilot may have turned on and locked on erroneous data. If the autopilot is set on turning and descending, I don't think the pilots have a chance to recover without turning it off by removing the fuse. The time to do it is very very short, and perhaps it was stuck too, who knows.

Advice to others: Bring your OWN GPS to check that the plane's instruments are working.

Posted by Ulf Erlingsson @ 10/27/2002 09:42 AM EST

WHEN will the silent majority of Americans wake up from the nightmare and take back control of their country from the corporate-political demagogues? It's your country, all you have to do is vote!! Remember Shelly's lines. Ye are many, they are few!

Posted by Kevin Cidle (UK) @ 10/27/2002 09:53 AM EST

Um, Raytheon is headquartered in Mass.

141 Spring Street

Lexington, MA 02421

VOX COMMENT ANNOTATION: The Bulk of their manufacturing is Texas, (Ft Worth I believe, but don't quote me)

Posted by Dah FahKing @ 10/27/2002 10:13 AM EST

god help us all...

Posted by . @ 10/27/2002 10:33 AM EST

thank you for this website. thanks to all the commentators who show that we are not alone. we are a minority, but we are not alone. the only way to change the collision course this nation is on is to forcibly take back the controls. if we will all just refuse to furnish our hard earned money to the unconstitutionally installed mobsters in d.c., it would be over in less than a month. no money=no more games. it is bloodless and requires no weapons at the outset. just stop paying. a general strike would also bring them to their knees. no labor, no money=no power. the rub is of course the sheeple must figure this out and be able to stick to it for a reasonable length of time. i am ready, but sadly my neighbors are not. they don't want war & stupidity, but they want the lifestyle that war and stupidity bring. so, i guess

unfortunately, humans have a hard time assimilating information and so must repeat the same mistakes over and over again until exhausted or dead. these times of darkness and turmoil are a collective lesson for humanity. fortunately, it is almost over. unfortunately, there will be suffering on a scale that is almost unimagineable. the most frustrating thing is that it didn't have to be this way. damn the egos! damn the greed! despite it all, lovelovelove is STILL my creed. stay strong, stay safe and do what you can to right the wrong. just remember - the body is simply a temporary vessel. the most important part, the soul, is indestructible, eternal, and far beyond the mundane machinations of the material world.

Posted by wapato ghost @ 10/27/2002 11:27 AM EST

Mourn the man for a loss of life, not for his supposedly progressive politics, which included support not only for the PATRIOT Act, but for Clinton's '96 "Anti-Terrorism" Act, for the '99 war on Yugoslavia, and for the Sept '01 resolution which gave Bush a green light to pursue this phoney "war on terrorism" (a push for total US global domination).

And if he was killed, why presume it's Bush? Why not the Democrat wing of the New World Order, which will now substitue one of its main people, Fritz Mondale, in his place?

Posted by Jack Straw @ 10/27/2002 01:27 PM EST

You said: "To not recognize that the conspiracies occur in the spirit world is to be part of the problem. Satan uses any tool available. The government is only one of his tools. Did the government decided to terrorize society with a sniper before the elections? Satan sure did, because he wants conservatives in power. Posted by Gary Novak @ 10/26/2002 02:39 AM EST"

As a conservative, let me tell you that you are mostly right. But conservatives are also being victimized by the Illuminati and their front man GW Bush. Please, please, don't mistake those psychotic killers with conservatives.

Posted by David Batlle @ 10/27/2002 01:54 PM EST

By the way things are going,looks like in due time there might be another civil war in the US,when the ppl wake up.

And it will be like nothing ever seen before.

Nostrodomus,I wouldnt consider many of the things stated here as conspiracys considering they have proof to the claims.

Posted by n00b @ 10/27/2002 01:56 PM EST

Conservative, liberal, progressive, anarchist, its all garbage. There is only good and evil. What is clear is that Wellstone was a good man who believed in the system and attempted to improve it from within. Anyone who takes a little time to research the Bush/CIA/Nazi/Masonic/New World Order/Military Industrial Complex Cabal will quickly learn why they wouldn't want a Wellstone around and that they would certainly stoop to murder in order to shift the power balance of the Senate. Now pick a side and let's get on with it.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 03:53 PM EST

"I know there must be a Heaven for I am already living in Hell, may we all Harmonically live in Peace someday as well"

PROBLEM WITH AMERICA

_GREED_IGNORANCE_ARROGANCE_SELFFISHNESS_

http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/ol_aug02.shtml

It's sad to say that the majority of Americans could careless about their Constitutional Rights anymore, and would rather send thousands of innocent troops to die, just so long as they can keep their gas prices under $2/gallon...but you have no fuckin' problem spending it on your 1/4 pounder w/ cheese and gettin' your ass fat while our boys get slaughtered for a pointless cause and then you sue McDonald's for YOUR sorry ass decision.

Being Coleman was selectively picked by Bush himself as the republican frontrunner (ie. Tim Pawlenty was first and Cheney telephoned him to tell him to backoff and give it to Coleman) everything Bush passes in front of Coleman will be passed. War, more contstitutional restrictions, ect. This would be not representative of the people of Minnesota, that is why we had put our beloved Wellstone in office for the last 12 years, and our independent governor as well. Whats next, a voting scandal on our election too, well please know that we are one of the better educated states before hand, i want to know what is going to happen to the absentee votes that were already casted to Wellstone, no doubt Colemen will get his, but will the Democrats be accredited with theirs?

To support Mitchel Cohen's comments about the fact concerning being a Jew, Wellstone was in fact Jewish as well, however he did support a free land for the Palestinian people, which is against Bush's policies as well. Israel was established after WWII, they basically invaded the land of Palestine. Kinda funny how the poor Palestinians are the one's that are portrayed by our brainwashing media as negative/terrorists. They are just rightfully defending themselves so, and by all means even taking their own lives to defend their beliefs. I don't care if the Jews were there first, the Native Americans were here before us, so in the shadow of that would suggest they should rightfully get their land back as well. Seems funny how all of a sudden they recently found the remains of a man dated 9000 years back that suggest that the Natives weren't here first, but that doesn't suggest how the man got there either. And all of a sudden the found the box of Jesus??? LMFAO....what fuckin' next. What ever happened to fuckin' peace?? Whose to say what religion is right, there are hundreds of them, and if you beleive in one does not mean you should doubt any other, that would just go to show our IGNORANCE as stated above. There are just as many languages out there, you tell me which is right...English, Spanish, Japanese, Sign Language??...They are all effective means of communication. We learn multiple languages, why not follow multiple religious beliefs, for beleiving in religion is beleiving in a higher power, one thing all religions share, which goes to show we all came as one. We collectively live on this one planet, everything we materistically and essentially have has came from the sole Earth we share, from the food we eat, to the clothes on your back, to your PS2's and gas guzzling SUV's....you name IT and tell me where the roots of it came from. Man sure lived fine without that shit many years back....but this just all goes back to my stated problem with ameriKa.

Thanks to "Mr. Bill" for adding to my comments about the suggestion of Electro-Magnetic Interference, that is a very good lead to look into. Seems funny how the pilots radioed in for landing but there was no call for MAYDAY, all within 2 min. time!!!! Perhaps it was recorded on the cockpit voice recorder though, and they are covering it up that there wasn't one. This has hit me particularily hard as I do live within a 5 min. drive of the crash site, unfortunately at the time I was at work. If anyone has suggestions or anything to add please let me know.

And to the Anti-conspiracy people posting here, this is not a conspiracy. This is collective human knowledge and intelligence looking into a tragic event that our unfortunate bias media filters out in the hope of brainwashing the weak with far from actual truth.

Check this shit out --->

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

>We will see a Revolution, it's time to stand up, May PEACE be with the PEOPLE<

Posted by synapse @ 10/27/2002 04:29 PM EST

ROTFL makes a good point about checking the facts and is right about those mistakes in the article. I would argue that in the case of Carnahan, certainly no one expected that his wife would run and win. This is sadly impossible in Wellstone's case. Secondly, Mondale though "liberal" is no Wellstone in terms of his ability to inspire people. Let's see how Mondale does in place of Wellstone, who by most accounts was starting to pull ahead in the race. Thirdly, even if the 74 year old Mondale wins, the loss of the younger Wellstone would still constitute a net victory for evil interests unless Mondale really steps to the plate and can last.

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 04:37 PM EST

Note to FireChannel---

It's called Revolution, it does happen, and it does work!

Posted by synapse @ 10/27/2002 04:43 PM EST

Attn: synapse. Though there certainly are conspiracies, a plane did in fact crash into the pentagon. This is verified by eye-witnesses and debris. The reason why it did not cause more damage to the building is because the plane first impacted on the pavement in front of the building. The idea that a plane was not used in the pentagon attack is in fact disinformation to discredit real conspiracies surounding the event such as why the numerous prior warnings went unheaded, why Bush cancelled FBI investigations into the Bin Laden family whom he was in business with through enterprises such as the Carlyle Group, why the plane was allowed to even reach the pentagon, etc, etc, the list goes on and on.

Avid CNN watcher I'll bet?

Posted by MR. ELEVEN @ 10/27/2002 05:09 PM EST

Much Respect should be extended to Voxfux for risking his life to wake the obviously slumbering populous up. I live in Texas and I have to tell you, people here are like zombies. They don't have the slightest attachment to what is really going on. They sit on their asses (most of which are simply too fat) and digest whatever the media doles out and become bloated lumps of misinformed and disinformed fat. Sorry but that's the way I see it.

I am from London and can't wait to get back. Or at least, the hell out of Texas.

Posted by Brits for vox! @ 10/27/2002 08:39 PM EST

In light of the untimely crash of Senator Paul Wellstone’s plane, I thought it would be pertinent to examine some of history’s infamous aircraft “accidents.”

Let’s start with 1960.

America first learned about the U-2 in May 1960, when pilot Gary Powers was shot down over Sverdlovsk, Russia.

By the time Mr. Powers went down in 1960, there had been almost two dozen incursions into Soviet airspace. The first pilot crossed over on the Fourth of July in 1956. "I knew they couldn't reach me," recalls Carmine Vito, the man in the cockpit that day.

Mr. Vito's flight took him directly over downtown Moscow. "I could see them [Soviet fighter aircraft] scrambling, two of them collided," he remembers. "But Kelly [Johnson] said they couldn't get at us, and he was right." An emergency landing Vito made in 1956 at California's Palm Springs airport illustrates the speed needed to keep the U-2 a secret. Within moments, a team of mechanics rolled up and had the plane totally disassembled in 23 minutes.

They loaded it into a C-124 cargo plane that had landed while disassembly was in progress. Few even knew the plane had been there. Those who saw it had no idea what it was.

The plane with the massive wing-span that "loves to fly" was conversely the plane that hated to land. "We all had difficulty bringing it down," says Hervey Stockman, another of the original six pilots.

Flight engineers used to chase the descending planes in a station wagon across a dry lake bed, telling the pilot how close his landing gear was to the ground.

"The first time they brought me to that room, just before they (the C.I.A.) started talking to me about this plane", tells U-2 pilot Bob Erikson, "they turned on the tap in the bathroom and the volume of the radio very loud, in case some spy might be hanging around." That is how you perceive the atmosphere of secrecy surrounding this plane.

Right from the end of World War Two, a heavy tension grew among the Allies. Little by little, from Berlin blockade to Korea war, the upsetting atmosphere of Cold War developed, and both Americans and Soviets came to suspect each other of attempting mutual annihilation.

In 1954, when a Myasischev M-4 strategic bomber popped up above the traditional May 1st celebrations, which were a shop-window for the Soviet military force, the American political and military establishment got scared.

Since 1952, Dwight "Ike" Eisenhower was the President of the USA. Stalin died two months after his nomination, which gave "Ike" good hope to open a policy of dialogue with Moscow. As he intended to put an end to the Cold War, he had to confront with a violently anticommunist Republican opposition and the military who demanded more resources. CIA diarist Donald Welzenbach explains: "The US Air Force claimed that the Soviets were manufacturing many more bombers that we were and demanded more funds to massively increase their own bomber fleet."

It is in this atmosphere of quasi-paranoia that one of the most secret programs in the history of aviation, the Lockheed U-2 "spy-plane", was developed. That way, instead of conducting the American politics according to hearsay, "Ike" would have reliable intelligence at his disposal.

On July 4th, 1957, U-2 pilot Hervey Stockman flew over Minsk on the occasion of an initial assignment over USSR. After having been identified by some Soviet radar, he was chased and attacked by MiG fighters unable to fly above a 50,000-ft ceiling, and they could not reach for him. That was followed by a long series of observation flights that led the U-2 spy-planes to fly regularly over Soviet Union. Dino Brugioni, an expert from the CIA in the interpretation of air photographs, says: " After a few months, we could affirm that the threat of bombardment did not exist. We had eradicated President Eisenhower's main source of concern.

This enabled Eisenhower, for at least some time, to get rid of his war-crazed opponents and to some extent nurture some kind of dialogue with Nikita Khruschev, with whom he was building up a bilateral disarmament and atmospheric nuclear test termination process.

The "bleeps" broadcast by Sputnik 1 on October 4th 1957 shook the Pentagon like a thunderstorm. If the Soviets were able to put a small radio transmitter in orbit, they could then fire nuclear missiles over the USA!

Therefore, "Ike" reluctantly authorized further flights over USSR, as he acknowledged later: "I would have considered such a violation of our air space by the Soviets as an act of war."

Under CIA pressure, as they needed information about a Soviet missile base, "Ike" authorized an ultimate assignment over Soviet territory, the longest "overflight" ever. On May, 1st 1960, Gary Powers, the most experienced U-2 pilot, took off from Peshawar base in Pakistan, to Bodø in Norway: a 3,800 mile flight, of which 2,900 miles were over Soviet ground.

At first the flight unfolded normally, with a huge number of photographs being taken, but as he was turning over Sverdlovsk, Powers noticed a trail of condensation following the same course as his: a fighter was trying to intercept him, but he was far too low anyway to constitute a real threat. Suddenly, there was a terrible noise at the rear, and the airplane entered into an inverted spin, with its nose up. Instead of using his ejector seat, Powers waited until he reached the 33,000 ft level to drop his canopy and jumped out at 15,000 ft. only because of oxygen connection problems. His parachute unfolded normally and he was captured right from the moment he touched ground.

You can read the 18 page now-declassified statement the CIA's Allen Dulles gave to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, published on May 30, 1960 at the FOIA website at: http://www.foia.ucia.gov/scripts/doc.asp?docRawURL=/docs/doc_000009190/asc_000009190.txt

As Col. Prouty has said, even though Dulles gave this statement and it was released publicly in 1975, the mainstream press has continued to ignore that Powers' U2 was NOT shot down.

The only possible explanation was that Powers' U2 was sabatoged prior to his Soviet mission.

The late Col. L. Fletcher Prouty expands on this scenario:

In the still early morning at Peshawar, the operational team had just

finished flashing their message to Washington: "Puppy 68" was off and on his

way to Norway via Sverdlovsk. The watch officer in the special U-2 control

office in downtown Washington got that word shortly after 8:30pm on the

evening of April 30. Dick Bissell, the Agency man in charge of the U-2

project, was notified immediately. Then, in short succession four other men

were called. One by one they heard the same information, "Puppy 68 is away."

President Eisenhower was at his favorite retreat, Camp David, with Prime

Minister Macmillan of Great Britain, putting the finishing touches on plans

for the summit conference. De Gaulle had just left Washington, and Macmillan

and De Gaulle were scheduled to meet again in Paris on May 5. All was well

with the world. The aging men who had led the world through World War II and

then through the bitterness of the Cold War were preparing to culminate

their long efforts in a great summit conference and then, one by one, lay

down Krushchev's Challenge: the mantle of government to a new generation who

would reap the benefits of peace - hopefully true and lasting peace.

The fate of the world hung in the balance somewhere between these earnest

plans for peace and the miles remaining ahead of that U-2 as it neared

Sverdlovsk. This was not the normal U-2 flight. Much was made of the fact

that the pilot had with him a vial (needle) of poison; so that rather than

expose his native land to charges of willful violation of the air space and

sovereignty of the Soviet Union, he could silence himself in death. The code

of the spy. Yet little was made of the antithetical fact that the pilot also

had a parachute which would save his life. Much was made of the fact,

afterwards, that this was a "civilian" aircraft and that it was flown by a

"civilian" pilot. Yet this pilot had been permitted to carry with him on

this flight his military identification card, complete with name and

picture, along with a pocketful of other identifying cards, all of which

easily placed him at military installations, in military instrument flight

schools, and on military facilities just days before the flight. He was

hardly a deniable spy.

[My opinion: (Jim)

ALL ALL rpt ALL covert operators are stripped naked and "inspected" to be

sure they are NOT carrying ANY identifying materials!]

Furthermore, the number of identification items that he had with him made it

clear that he was less a true civilian and more a civilian cover spy pilot.

He was in the same mold as Allen Pope in 1958, who was captured by the

Indonesians, and of the Air Force crew that was shot down in Armenia also in

1958. By that time the Russians had plenty of evidence to know that

"civilian" pilots belonged to the CIA by way of the U.S. Air Force.

However, in his book, The Craft of Intelligence, Allen Dulles makes much of

the fact that operation of such sophisticated aircraft could scarcely have

been kept a secret. It wasn't! As he wrote, "Sooner or later, certainly this

would have leaked out." Since this was so certain, then why did the U.S.

Government have to give out untrue cover stories? And why did they have to

permit Powers to carry so much identification when it would have been better

to limit the leak as much as possible? Even if he had died, they would have

had all the information they needed. How did it happen that they broke with

policy procedures for that special flight by letting him take off loaded

with incriminating evidence that proved he was a U.S. spy pilot? Who was it

who wanted this special U-2 flight on May 1, 1960, two weeks before the

summit conference, to fail and then to become so glaring an admission of

guilt when it did fail that it would inevitably doom the summit conference

along with it? The incidence of these things, too many things, give weight

to the thought that this flight was intended to be something rather special.

But these are only details that came up after the flight. The special

question about this flight and this plane and this pilot was, "Who sent him

out in the first place? What was this flight supposed to gain that could

have been worth one particle of what it lost?''

When the plane went down, its signals faded and it was lost from tracking

radar. The engine had stopped, and Powers was gliding the plane down from

its extreme altitude, which was so high that the air's oxygen content was

insufficient to support combustion. The normal combustion of the jet engine

at that altitude had to be assisted by the infusion of a trace of raw

hydrogen from a small liquid hydrogen cryogenic storage bottle. If by some

chance the engine either coughed itself out, or if something happened to

this slight hydrogen supply and the engine flamed out, it could not be

restarted at that altitude. The pilot would have had no recourse other than

to let down and see if he could restart the engine at some lower altitude.

The evidence that the engine would not restart even at thirty thousand feet

indicates that the trouble was most likely hydrogen deficiency and not a

normal fuel flameout. Had it been a simple flameout and had there been

plenty of hydrogen, the engine should have restarted, as others had in

similar circumstances.

When the plane did not restart, Powers was forced to let it continue to

spiral toward the earth, and then at a safer altitude either bail out (a

high altitude bailout is dangerous and violent) or continue on down to the

ground. Actually, some of the early pictures of the U-2 showed an aircraft

that was relatively undamaged, when one considers that the Russian story was

that it was hit by a rocket in the air and then crashed into the ground. We

may never really know whether Powers parachuted because he was hit by

Russian rockets or gunfire or whether he parachuted simply to leave a plane

that was doomed to crash anyhow. The elaborate pictures of the plane, which

the Soviets released at the trial, show neither bullet damage nor rocket

fragment damage, although at that point neither would be important; the

plane was going to come down. If it had not been on the way down, neither

rockets nor bullets would have been able to bring it down in those days.

In the belief and the hope that the crash had been unobserved and

undiscovered by the Russians, Allen Dulles suggested that the administrator

of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, T. Keith Glennan,

release a preprepared cover story. Glennan reported that a high altitude

weather research aircraft on a flight from Adana, Turkey, was missing and

that "it might have accidentally violated Soviet air space."

This was the initiative Krushchev had been waiting for. On the fifth of May,

five long days after the plane had landed, he reported that an American

plane had been shot down over Russian territory. He gave no more detail than

that, although he did harangue about American war-mongers....

Those who knew the real fate of the U-2 remained silent, and those who did

not went through the paces like automatons.

Then, on May 7 Krushchev moved in for the kill: "Comrades, I must let you in

on a secret". "When I made my report I deliberately refrained from

mentioning that the pilot was alive and safe and that we had the remnants of

the plane. We did this deliberately, because had we given out the whole

story, the Americans would have thought up another version." He then went on

to give the whole story in detail. However, he stopped short of accusing

Eisenhower of knowing that the flight had been ordered over the Soviet

Union. It is entirely possible, in fact it is most probably the whole truth,

that Eisenhower did not know that the U-2 had been dispatched on that

fateful flight. Krushchev offered him an out when he said, "I am prepared to

grant that the President had no knowledge of a plane being dispatched to the

Soviet Union and failing to return; but that should alert us still more."

The Russian Premier was ready to say, "We are so close to the summit and to

peace. I am ready to accept that this was a cruel and terrible provocation

made by others without the knowledge of the American President." Let the

President stand up and say that he had no knowledge of this flight, and then

back up his statement by firing Allen Dulles, Dick Bissell, and those other

four men who had pressed so hard for this flight. This was the challenge and

that was the price. There was still a chance that Ike could have his long

dreamed of summit conference; but now he would have to pay the price. Thus

Eisenhower was put to the biggest test of his entire career. Could he clean

house?

Many years later it was President Richard M. Nixon who said, "When you

inherit a nightmare..." - and that was as far as he went with his thought.

President Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs had the same nightmare. President

Eisenhower had come within two weeks of achieving not only the goal of an

aging President who had given his entire adult life to his country; but of

realizing the hope of the entire country for a lasting and hopeful peace.

No one will ever know just why he turned down Krushchev's gambit. No one

will ever know why he decided to back the ST at a time when it had permitted

his plans to be shattered. Did he simply believe that his course was the

only honest way out and that someone in his Administration had made an

innocent mistake; or did he succumb to a greater pressure?

It was not only the U-2 that had trapped him. The ST had armed and equipped

a major force of tens of thousands of Tibetans high beyond the Himalayas; it

had thousands of Cubans under arms and in training all over the North

American continent, from the Canal Zone to many sites in the United States

it was deeply entwined in the politics and economy and rebellions of Africa;

and already the United States, which had seldom seen armies in its own

streets, was becoming accustomed to the roar of heavy trucks and the march

of feet in embattled inner cities. Did Eisenhower really have a choice?

Could he just fire Allen Dulles and a few of his top lieutenants and clean

house that simply? He knew that he could not. Those other men who had seen

to it that all the little things fell into place and that the U-2 had gone

aloft on that precise day were men of the ST, and wiping out Dulles and his

staff would not touch them.

All of these things took on a new meaning and a totally new warning. The

President may have realized that he was not really in charge of events, and

he could not honestly say that he didn't know what was going on; yet he had

never seen the picture in its totality before. There was no other way out.

President Eisenhower did the only thing he could. He announced to the world

that he had known about the flight and that it had been his sole

responsibility as Commander in Chief of the United States.

With that, Krushchev had no choice but to face the same facts, his way. How

could he hope to reach a peaceful settlement and meaningful agreements with

a President who was admitting to the world that at the very time he had been

speaking peace he had been plotting overflights and the invasion of the

territorial integrity of not only the Soviet Union, but of China and Tibet

and Cuba. Krushchev had no alternative either. All hope for a successful

summit conference had gone. The leaders of the world attended the conference

individually but all was lost. With this great disaster the fifteen year

search for a peaceful settlement in a world menaced by the atomic bomb came

to an end. Vietnam lay ahead.

END OF SECRET TEAM EXCERPT!

In his other book or articles Col. Prouty details that this specific U-2 had

it's top secret camera removed and was carrying a WW2 bomber camera. Someone

knew very well far ahead of time that this particular U-2 was NOT coming

home!

While it might be easy for some to dismiss Col. Prouty's work as a "JFK Conspiracy Theorist" (whatever that means.) In light of the other sources and sworn testimony presented by even the Director Of the CIA at the time, it gets a little harder to claim this U-2 was shot-down or compromised by Oswald's "defections." Somebody was disloyal if not defective.

So the answer to the question posed "Who shot down Gary Power's U-2?" has to be no one or at the least no one before it was disabled.

Let’s move forward to 1972

Hale Boggs

He sat on the Warren Commission, which concluded that President Kennedy was slain by a lone assassin.

Congressman Hale Boggs was the only dissenting member of the Warren Commission who refused to sign the Warren Report until just before it was submitted.

Later, in 1971 and '72, Boggs began making public statements that J.Edgar Hoover´s FBI was wire-tapping Congress and blackmailing public officials. Boggs had misgivings at the "lone assassin" finding of the Warren Commission panel of which he had been a part in 1964 and had said, "I had strong doubts about it." He named Warren Commission staff member Arlen Specter as a major cover-up artist.

In a speech in 1971, Boggs accused the FBI of tapping his phone... and publicly denounced the Bureau´s "gestapo tactics".

Boggs was reportedly prepared to make public statements that Richard M. Nixon was complicit in the JFK murder. Nixon was there all day, that bloody time in Dallas, although falsely stating he left that morning by plane. [Sherman Skolnick was on a Dallas radio show with a former Director of Pepsico Bottlers, whose counsel in 1963 was Nixon. He said Nixon did not leave that morning and when the murder was announced, Nixon, unlike the others gathered for a business convention, wanted to continue conducting business as usual as if nothing had happened.]

Congressman Boggs´ plane disappeared on a flight in Alaska from Anchorage to Juneau on Oct 16, 1972, less than 30 days before Nixon was re-elected President in 1972.

U.S. Military Intelligence, jointly with other U.S. espionage agencies reportedly located the Congressman´s airplane but have concealed that and the story has always stood that the aircraft was never found.

Twenty years later, in 1992, a Freedom of Information Act Request by Roll Call Magazine unearthed an FBI telex indicating that the plane was located and never retrieved. Information obtained by a government verified source described the location of the plane and stated that there were two survivors shortly after the plane disappeared. The information indicated an undisclosed "firm" involved in testing advanced surveillance equipment had located the crash. The informant had a military background, according to the FBI document obtained by Roll Call. The FBI telex was sent to the Washington, D.C. FBI headquarters where it was presumably passed to the Acting Director, L. Patrick Gray. The previous director, J. Edgar Hoover, had been in a significant conflict with Boggs, who called for his resignation on the floor of the Congress. Boggs was one of the most powerful people in the country at a time when misuse of power was just beginning to be seen, culminating in the resignation of the President of the United States Richard Nixon.

To view the actual FBI telex (heavily censored but readable), click on the following links:

http://www.earthpulse.com/products/Disappearance/telex/index.html

http://www.earthpulse.com/products/Disappearance/telex/Telex02.html

http://www.earthpulse.com/products/Disappearance/telex/Telex03.html

The uncovering of this FBI document clearly indicates Boggs' plane was located and there was evidence of survivors.

What exactly happened then?

Apparently Boggs´ airplane had been sabotaged to silence him on statements he was about to make about Tricky Dick.

The History Channel devoted an episode of it’s “Histories Mysteries” to this incident entitled “Alaska’s Bermuda Triangle”.

NOTE: one month AFTER Nixon was re-elected, 12 Watergate figures perished on a sabotaged plane crash in Chicago, including Mrs. E.Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar. She had onboard two million dollars in securities she and her husband reportedly blackmailed out of Nixon for silence on Nixon´s complicity in the JFK murder.

According to Sherman Skolnick, "the government attempt at cover-up of the Chicago crash as "pilot error" was wrecked when we "liberated" the entire government file, showing sabotage, and sued the fakers on the National Transportation Safety Board. Despite confronting NTSB with these documents at a re-opened public hearing, the NTSB continued the big lie. Rockefeller-owned United Air Lines, covering up the sabotage, arranged to stop in the printing cycle my book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage" [Alas, no copies are now available.]"

Note: But the entire manuscript can now be read on Mr. Skolnick's website at: http://www.skolnicksreport.com/shistory.html

Some of the other interesting points surrounding the Alaska disappearance include the fact that Boggs was taken to the airport for the first leg of the trip by a young democrat named Bill Clinton who later, as President, appointed Congressman Boggs' wife Lindy to the position of US Ambassador to the Vatican after she served eighteen years in the Congress after her husband'