[prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread] List: openbsd-misc Subject: Re: ordering From: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt () openbsd ! org> Date: 2017-04-16 6:10:42 Message-ID: 52607.1492323042 () cvs ! openbsd ! org [Download RAW message or body] Hi Vijay and everyone else, > I had sent an email to orders@openbsdstore.com regarding this > yesterday and they replied that "there isn't a 6.1 cd, please check > out the obsd.org site to persuade them to make one...". However I did > not want to bother the list and the developers in case CDs are not the > way to go. I did a search on mailing list messages but did not see > anything about 6.1 CDs. True. The 6.1 ANNOUNCEMENT does not list an upcoming CD. 6.0 was announced as the last CD release. 6.0 says so in the liner notes. It is hard to believe OpenBSD followers missed that. 6.0 had 6 songs. It was meant to be over the top, a celebration. I sung the lyrics for the 6th song: Goodbye CDs I'm done with you today Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye No more pre-production And no more long delays So I have peace Of mind Goodbye. I am a sorry for people who missed the cues, but this change is personal. I made 40 CD releases in 20 years, investing personal effort and risk to build and sustain the costs of this project and sub-projects. I do not want to keep making CDs to sustain myself and the project anymore. Other ways need to work now. The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is better to call it quits on a high note. Having done 6.1 without a CD, we learn that incorporating CDs into the production cycle has been a big drag, basically 1 month out of 6. Other project developers and processes were locked to that cycle. It is shocking how easy a release cycle is without a CD. Generally our tree is always ready, we may be able to do future releases at the drop of a hat. As long as we produce a release the developers can be proud of. That is more important than making a CD -- by far. > So I am thinking that the CD's may be ready only by May 1 and the > release date was pushed earlier for some reason (just a guess > because in 2015 and before, CDs were released in May and November) The shop will not be selling 6.1 CDs. Most things come to an end, sorry. > If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better > to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de > Raadt. Vijay, that is the correct way to sustain the software. The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear. > If CD's are going to be released, of course, I would be first > in line since I have all CD's since 2.8 :) That is a good collection. I have one of each, and ones before that. I've heard that 2.5 is the most difficult to acquire. I think the audio CDs are undervalued. They contain no dorky software -- they are lyrics + music + drawing, just art. Dorky art sure, but no software... Sorry guys. Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners? [prev in list] [next in list] [prev in thread] [next in thread]