

batterup

I Can Not Tell A Lie.

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Netcong, NJ batterup Premium Member Fedel is listening. I hope the two people with cell phones use an encrypted VPN, then only the NSA can listen in.

brianiscool

join:2000-08-16

Tampa, FL brianiscool Member Re: Fedel is listening. If you want to chat with people in Cuba. Google Cuba Chat lol



telcodad

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Lincroft, NJ telcodad MVM First World Problem quote: Anyway, it's a nice bit of broader context as we busily complain about the slow upstream speeds of our shiny new 300 Mbps connections. Yeah, "half-fast" broadband internet service is the worst! Yeah, "half-fast" broadband internet service is the worst!

telcodad telcodad MVM Re: First World Problem quote: streaming video services aren't much use if you don't have the broadband service to utilize it or the disposable income to afford it.



While the United States' recent shift away from sanctions included allowing telecom companies to do business in Cuba, the lion's share of Cuba's residents aren't yet online to enjoy it.



95% of the country doesn't have a fixed-line broadband connection at home (only around 5,400 homes do). Meanwhile, the average Cuban salary is around $20 a month, putting an $8 monthly fee well beyond the reach of most Cubans for the foreseeable future. From: » Netflix Lands in Cuba [32] comments



NickD

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join:2000-11-17

Princeton Junction, NJ NickD to telcodad

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CommieCast will be the first ISP there.

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA to telcodad

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Yeah, I'm sure lots of Cubans would lose "half-fast" internet. Heck, there are parts of America that would give a LOT to have "half-fast" internet.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement to telcodad

Anon to telcodad

said by telcodad: Yeah, "half-fast" broadband internet service is the worst! It is the worst. I couldn't care less about a 300Mbps connection when the upload speeds are glacially slow.

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: First World Problem Virtually no home users need more than 10-20mbps upload for the foreseeable future, but can use multi-hundred mbps download speeds. Verizon's symmetrical packages are a lame attempt to not have to upgrade MoCA subs to Ethernet and BPON ONTs to GPON to actually deliver faster speeds. If it weren't for their TV offerings, FIOS would be almost irrelevant at this point, as cable is faster on the internet side.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: First World Problem said by BiggA: Virtually no home users need more than 10-20mbps upload for the foreseeable future, but can use multi-hundred mbps download speeds.



Most people don't need cell phones but they have them anyway. Most people don't need a lot of things they have but do so anyway. What is the point of your blabbering? Exactly, your own comment is need vs want. I can use and plenty of other users can use more than 10-20 Mbps easily. 99% of the world doesn't need more than 100Mbps down.Most people don't need cell phones but they have them anyway. Most people don't need a lot of things they have but do so anyway. What is the point of your blabbering?

BiggA

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Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: First World Problem Wow, you totally missed the point. You could substitute want in there too, and you couldn't come to a different conclusion. 99% of home users don't know what to do with more than 20mbps of upload. Even I don't, and I do online backups, Dropbox, and I upload to YouTube.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: First World Problem said by BiggA: Wow, you totally missed the point. You're clueless. That is the point.

BiggA

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Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: First World Problem I'm not clueless. I'm a power user, and I don't see any use for more than 10-20mbps in the next couple of years. Way in the future, maybe. Not now. The group of people who legitimately can use FIOS upload speeds is a tiny, tiny niche. The group of people who legitimately can use 100+mbps is far, far larger, although at the same time, most users, even families are satisfied with 50mbps.

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: First World Problem Then what would the mass market actually use more than 20mbps of upload for in a home situation? I don't get it because I can't come up with a use case which, at present, doesn't exist?



bockbock

@hcs.net bockbock to telcodad

Anon to telcodad

300 Mbps is probably more bandwidth than the entire island of Cuba has.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: First World Problem said by bockbock : 300 Mbps is probably more bandwidth than the entire island of Cuba has. A brand new undersea fiber optic cable was installed between Cuba and Venezuela / Jamaica that delivers tens of thousands of megabits of capacity. So that obviously is not true. There is another cable being built by the U.S. military for use by the island that is set to be completed this year that is going between Cuba and Miami too.



bockbock

@hcs.net bockbock Anon Re: First World Problem Okay, I was unaware of this. Thank you for clarifying that. It will be interesting to see how Cuba's broadband takes off in the coming years. I do know South Florida (Miami, Hollywood and Boca Raton) have huge data POPS enough to supply the entire Caribbean and Latin America for the most part.



NSAFlagged

@click-network.com NSAFlagged to v6movement

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Built courtesy of the NSA. Shit, I just flagged myself.

stridr69

join:2003-05-19

San Luis Obispo, CA stridr69 Member Re: First World Problem So busted...

Nanaki (banned)

aka novaflare. pull punches? Na

join:2002-01-24

Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member not bad for what 3 or 4 months of eased restrictions? Seems to me that this is a pretty good step forward for them this has only been what 3ish months some the restrictions were eased and they already have free public wifi. Even with the extreme limitations they have something they did not have 6 months ago. At this rate they could be pushing 5mb or greater by the end of this year i would say that is pretty damn fast progress.



Ill say it now im no fan of obama but yeh this is a good thing no matter what your political lean i can not see a reason to decry this move.



At this point the only people all the sanctions were hurting were the general population over their not their leaders who are beyond just rich. If any thing the easing of the sanctions likely stings worse than when they were strict.



meskinct

Mad Scientist at Work

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Southbury, CT 1 recommendation meskinct Premium Member Up to Up to 2 Mbps....actual speed may vary*

elefante72

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East Amherst, NY 1 recommendation elefante72 Member Re: Up to You understand that US lifting "some" restrictions has nothing to do with preventing Cuba from having free wifi before and that people from say Canada/Mexico/Europe could go there without restriction? In fact when I talk to friends and family members from Canada, that is one of the benefits of Cuba, no Americans. They lust about the organic food there (aka 19th century farming) and how it is unspoiled by ArcherDanielsMidland (which I'm OK with).



Put plainly US corporations care about profit, and if/when the US opens up expect the hotelier/leisure segment to heat up and Starbucks to form on every corner. So much for Cuban coffee. However without wifi and cell, that is going to be a non-starter once Americans want to flash their istuff around. You know we must vacation w/ connectivity...



As to the rest, as Cuba is such a nirvana of communism and spectacular health care (according to some) and so small, I assume that fiber could be run in no time to every home, right?

Nanaki (banned)

aka novaflare. pull punches? Na

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: Up to Most of the countries that could go there did not go there to open up shop they went for vacations and to buy those cigars. Little else. isps in the us will be the ones to wire cuba up not canada mexico etc.



Samual

@myvzw.com Samual to elefante72

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Dude, wtf is with the anti-American rant? Have you ever been in a major Canadian or European city? They're JUST as commercialized as the US. Europe isn't all quant Tuscan villages filled with Mom and Pop coffee shops. Outside of New York City I've never seen anywhere that's as commercialized as Helsinki, Stockholm, or London. Toronto ranks up there too.



The notion that Cuba has escaped this "fate" because trade with the US is severely limited is laughable. Cuba is the way it is (for better or worse) because it's a communist dictatorship.



chuch

join:2001-04-11

Tampa, FL chuch Member Re: Up to said by Samual : Dude, wtf is with the anti-American rant?



I agree that commercialization isn't just an American trait; but the attitudes of some Americans abroad give us all a bad name. Having traveled to different countries, I can honestly say that it's not uncommon to see a vacationing American family or group of Americans who give Americans a bad name through rudeness, entitlement, and a disregard to local culture.I agree that commercialization isn't just an American trait; but the attitudes of some Americans abroad give us all a bad name.



caster

@sysvana.com 1 recommendation caster to meskinct

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big slow down to download years of missing windows updates.



chuch

join:2001-04-11

Tampa, FL chuch Member Re: Up to I didn't know they were still pushing updates for Windows XP



telcodad

MVM

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Lincroft, NJ telcodad MVM Re: Up to said by chuch: I didn't know they were still pushing updates for Windows XP Just the bootleg XP updates for the Cuban pirated versions.

Nanaki (banned)

aka novaflare. pull punches? Na

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) to meskinct

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From zero up and zero down to 2Mbps im sure their not crying about it. Those who have it that is. Not many will have any thing to take advantage of it yet im sure.



bockbock

@hcs.net bockbock to meskinct

Anon to meskinct

They forgot about peak times too. Once they discover Youtube in HD, it's all over.

Nanaki (banned)

aka novaflare. pull punches? Na

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: Up to LOL true that



pjsutton

join:2013-06-25

Kempton, PA pjsutton Member ha! 2 Mbps in the center of Cuba is still more than the tons of people with 1.5 Mbps DSL in this country, the greatest in the world. Although they are not sharing with everyone!

PowerMac

join:2011-03-02

Anaheim, CA PowerMac Member ...

*kissing my 50mbps cable modem* 2mbps ADSL connection?? Wow!*kissing my 50mbps cable modem*



maartena

Elmo

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Orange, CA 1 recommendation maartena Premium Member Up to 2013....



In 2013 a new undersea cable was finished, mostly funded by Cuba's then-still-alive buddy Hugo Chavez. The cable connects Cuba to Jamaica and Venezuela.



Currently, traffic between the USA and Cuba goes via cables connecting the USA to Jamaica and then up to Cuba over the ALBA-1 cable connecting Jamaica to Cuba, so traffic still takes a little loop around the Caribbean.



Things will get much more interesting now that a direct link between Florida and Havana will become possible as a result of political easing of relations, allowing Cuba to really connect to a huge amount of bandwidth.



See here for the one connection that connects Cuba to the internet currently:



»www.submarinecablemap.co ··· e/alba-1 Until 2013 all combined internet bandwidth for Cuba went over a 343 Mbit/s downstream, 160 Mbit/s upstream satellite link. They were completely isolated from the internet by cable, the only undersea cables they had until 2013 were old fashioned telephone cables, often dating to the 1950s.In 2013 a new undersea cable was finished, mostly funded by Cuba's then-still-alive buddy Hugo Chavez. The cable connects Cuba to Jamaica and Venezuela.Currently, traffic between the USA and Cuba goes via cables connecting the USA to Jamaica and then up to Cuba over the ALBA-1 cable connecting Jamaica to Cuba, so traffic still takes a little loop around the Caribbean.Things will get much more interesting now that a direct link between Florida and Havana will become possible as a result of political easing of relations, allowing Cuba to really connect to a huge amount of bandwidth.See here for the one connection that connects Cuba to the internet currently:



telcodad

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Lincroft, NJ telcodad MVM Re: Up to 2013.... said by maartena: They were completely isolated from the internet by cable, the only undersea cables they had until 2013 were old fashioned telephone cables, often dating to the 1950s.



Havana calling: US, Cuba re-establish direct undersea telephone cable

RT.com - March 11, 2015

»rt.com/usa/239853-us-cub ··· le-link/



Direct telephone service between U.S., Cuba resumes with help from N.J. company

By Jeff Goldman, The Star-Ledger - March 12, 2015

»www.nj.com/business/inde ··· s_r.html BTW - There were these two recent articles about the US-to-Cuba telephone cable:RT.com - March 11, 2015By Jeff Goldman, The Star-Ledger - March 12, 2015

Slyster

join:2015-01-08

Sugar Grove, VA 1 recommendation Slyster Member Within 10 years.. Cuba will have better Internet than the USA.



tmh

@comcastbusiness.net tmh Anon Is that per-user, or all together? I'm guessing I won't be watching Netflix-Cuba using this free hotspot.



milnoc

join:2001-03-05

Ottawa milnoc Member Dear America...



STAY OFF OUR ISLAND!!!



This is OUR turf!



Your presence here will RUIN IT for EVERYONE!



Sorry for the rudeness.



Signed: Canada.



Dear America,STAY OFF OUR ISLAND!!!This is OUR turf!Your presence here will RUIN IT for EVERYONE!Sorry for the rudeness.Signed: Canada.

pb2k

join:2005-05-30

Calgary, AB Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X

Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-LITE

pb2k Member Don't expect internet in Cuba anytime soon. I visited Varadero in 2006 and was appalled by the condition of the infrastructure (everything from roads to what little telecom they had). It literally looked like the money ran out after the USSR fell and they've been using shoestring and bubblegum to hold it together ever since. If a US ISP came in, it would either be wireless or a complete rip and replace job on the fixed line side.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: Don't expect internet in Cuba anytime soon. said by pb2k: I visited Varadero in 2006 and was appalled by the condition of the infrastructure (everything from roads to what little telecom they had). It literally looked like the money ran out after the USSR fell and they've been using shoestring and bubblegum to hold it together ever since. If a US ISP came in, it would either be wireless or a complete rip and replace job on the fixed line side.



Wireless? Are you kidding me? That has never won as the primary access method anywhere. Except the state run telco has announced DSL service so invalidating what you just said.Wireless? Are you kidding me? That has never won as the primary access method anywhere.

moonpuppy (banned)

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Glen Burnie, MD moonpuppy (banned) Member Re: Don't expect internet in Cuba anytime soon. said by v6movement : Except the state run telco has announced DSL service so invalidating what you just said.



Wireless? Are you kidding me? That has never won as the primary access method anywhere. DSL service to the political elite is easy since they already have good telephone lines.



bockbock

@hcs.net 1 recommendation bockbock Anon Wow "He declined to reveal how much he pays, but ADSL service at that bandwidth generally runs around $900 a month in Cuba."



Oh wow, and here we complain about our sluggish 10-150 Mbps connections for a fraction of that price. Heck even a 6 Mbps ADSL line beats the crap out of 2 Mbps. I guess you don't know how good you have it until you see what other countries are going through.