Twist wrote: btw, isn’t this the same car as the Subie BRZ?

Mostly. The Scion FR-S, Subaru BRZ, and Toyota 86 are basically the same car, but the Scion has a much more basic trim kit than the BRZ. Meanwhile the Toyota offers a better exhaust system and better traction control where the BRZ has a more robust power train and better brakes IIRC.

If so, I agree on the underpowered critique. If they put the WRX turbo motor in it then we would be talking… But you could always just get the WRX and have your 4wd too…

The car comes stock at 200 horses, but it was really intended for controlled drifting at low speeds, so raw horsepower wasn’t really a priority. The whole idea was to produce a rear wheel drive car that really lets you feel that it’s rear wheel drive. Putting on AWD would be missing the point, and overpowering it would drive the point home a little too much. I mean it comes stock with prius tires for a reason.

And if you really want more power there are a few drop in kits that can get upwards of 300 horses out of the engine by tossing in a couple of blowers and tweaking some other stuff.

And I’ve heard that Toyota are themselves boosting the engine output in next year’s model. They are also supposedly going to be offering a hardtop convertible to take a bite out of the Miata market. No clue if either will actually be offered in North America.