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The Small One Okay, here a very short summary of what happened in the last episode:





Al stands up and walks to Ed, he claps his hands and the whole room becomes full of transmutation circles.

Mustang is loosing to the Führer, when the son appears with the thing from the save. The Führer gets angry and chokes his son. Mustang intervenes, he takes a skull from the bag of the son and kills the Führer.

On his way out, Archer is standing in his way. Hawkeye kills Archer.

Ed is standing in a nothingness. Al appears before him, but vanishes. Then Envy appears and wonders where he is. Ed answers they are standing before the gate. Envy asks where it leads to, and after he hears that Hohenheim is on the other side, he opens the gate and goes inside.

Ed awakes with a perfect body and Al is nowhere to see.

Dante is escaping in the Elevator, when mindless-Gluttony eats itself through the bottom... he looks very hungry. Dante claps her hands... when the Elevator arrives its empty.

After telling Roze to excape and take Wrath with her, Ed does some transmutation on himself.



Result:

Al in his old body with no memory of what happened.

Mustang lost his left eye.

Hohenheim and Ed (with Automail again) are living together in München (1921).

Wrath with Automail is living on the steets.

Tucker with his lifeless Nina is practicing to draw Soul-Transmutation Circles on a wall.



In the End both AL and Ed are sitting in a train and talking to themselves that they will meet again.

huh so the movie will focus on Al and ed than??? :confused:

Hoshi I have a question:

and Winry?

She rest in Resembool???

Pai Ed and Al separated? :sad: BTW It seems a very good end. But.. Too many months to the movie DAMN

michiru Umm....In short.......



Ed---to this world.Alive.

Al---revived but lost memories for 4 years.

Roy---got his left eye injured.Alive.

Hawkeye---LOVE LOVE with Roy(lol).Alive.

Roze---Alive.

Wrath---Full metal Wrath!?Alive but disappeared.

Dante---was eaten by Gluttony.Dead?

Gluttny/---Where did you go?Dead?

Envy---To this world in order to see dad.But where are you!?Alive?

Pride---Dead.

Archer---Dead.

Winry---Who are you?(lol)



We have to watch FMA the movie after all.

I think that the contents must be Ed & Hohenheim VS Nazis & Envy. :heh:

OMchan Here are two screenshots I found from Episode 51. One of Ed and one of Riza.



http://s02.imagehost.org/0214/fma51_ed_jpg.t.jpg (http://s02.imagehost.org/view.php?image=/0214/fma51_ed.jpg)

http://s02.imagehost.org/0214/fma51_riza_jpg.t.jpg (http://s02.imagehost.org/view.php?image=/0214/fma51_riza.jpg)

Scrumhalf More spoilerific caps of Episode 51 if you can't help yerselves. Yarrr...





Roy v Pride scene.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100207.jpg



Revival of Ed.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100208.jpg



Full Metal Archer finally pwned.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100209.jpg



Ed & Hohenheim in Munich, Germany. 1921.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100210.jpg



Ed finally lays the smackdown on Dante & co. Or does he?

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100211.jpg



Roy x Riza moments.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100212.jpg



Revived Al (10-years-old) back in hometown with Rose & Winry.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100213.jpg



Ending captures.

http://wgalland.hp.infoseek.co.jp/img/200410/20040100214.jpg

gangsta905_04 wutta a waste...

Hiruka00 OH WOW! The ending sounds like it turned out alright. I can't wait to see it!! :eek: :D

http://www.geocities.com/hi_iruka/FMAbanner.jpg

dew Holy crap. They didn't pull a crappy ending out of their asses. I'm shocked. It's fine with me.

kmm is this going to be the final episode?!

dew is this going to be the final episode?!

Yes, but there's a movie that takes place 2 years later that will come out next summer.

Gatts Wow, am I actually...satisfied with a Bones ending for the first time?! Oh my..



There were a few points that made me go 'wtf', but overall it felt good. It wasn't the type of ending that's going to drive you crazy waiting for the movie, anyways.





omfgeyepatchroyxriza?!11

DNE ooo niceee, cant wait to see it

Sonhex Thought the ending was very well done, managed to capture the spirit of the series and didn't seem rushed. BONES actually did the impossible and tied up most of the plot threads superbly and left a few for the movie...



...Dante and Gluttony's fate seems purposely vague, guess we'll see them in the movie. Same with Envy passing through the Gate and changing into a Green Serpent was wierd.



Bradley killing his son was the real shocker for me, I wasn't expecting that. He seemed like a devoted father. But it reiterates the fact that he's an evil sadistic bastard and Roy did the job of killing him well.



Of course, it's great Al got his body back. The fact he cannot remember the last 4 years is also a good thing, he's seen so many horrors and been through so many disturbing events that he deserves a 'clean' start. Unfortunately it will be without Ed, but then the movie will follow that story...





Most importantly it gives us a really good premise for the movie, hopefully taking it in a new and welcome direction. Look forward to it... :)

dew One thing I'm surprised nobody pointed out:



Apparently 5 years passed in London for the end of the series (1916 -> 1921). So I assume that the movie will be taking place SEVEN years after the TV series timeline, instead of two like everyone thought.

gangsta905_04 wut happened to winry shezka and izumi??

Mb81 A perfect episode... still i don`t want this series to end *g*. Soundtrack, story... best series this year.

gangsta905_04 *g*??? wut do ya mean lol..=P...sum1 wanna make this a sticky thread??

Ed Elric Wow...the ending was absoultly beautiful in every way. I am completly and utterly amazed at it...wow... BONES did and amazing job, best series I have ever seen. Beautiful....

eabandit i loved it. i would rather the vagueness of dante's fate be cleaned up just simply by showing Al let loose and kick the shit out of her... but being done in by her own creation (possibly? or maybe shes still alive) was alright as well...

Avarice haha that WAS a good ending. but to get this straight, there is no title for this episode? it's just called "???"?

f00l nice ending but :sad: it over.........



thanks for summarizing this episode and thanks to the other people who summarized past episodes.........its been a good ride :)

Stellae I'm confused... how did Mustang randomly end up with an injured eye and needing a cane to walk with, when he injured mostly his arm and chest where Pride stabbed him? And why did he bother pulling out Selim when it seems like he was dead... maybe he did something to save him and it cost Mustang his eye? o_O?

IMSabbel Hm. So in the end, ed landed in munich 1921... and the movie plays 2 years later...

I only remember one thing that happened 1923, in munich: Hitlers first action to claim power, the beer hall putch.

Normaly, i would discard that idea, but hey, we had fucking zeppelins in episode 49/50, so anything goes...

DNE nice ending but :sad: it over.........



thanks for summarizing this episode and thanks to the other people who summarized past episodes.........its been a good ride :)



on the bright side, Seed 2 is airing now instead :heh:

louie2004 Hm. So in the end, ed landed in munich 1921... and the movie plays 2 years later...

I only remember one thing that happened 1923, in munich: Hitlers first action to claim power, the beer hall putch.

Normaly, i would discard that idea, but hey, we had fucking zeppelins in episode 49/50, so anything goes...



well the yr and place that ed landed did make me have a deep thinking.

I am sure that the editors of the anime want to carry out some special messages by placing ed in 1922Munich,and my guess is the same as you,it may be something related to german politics or hitler's story.Anyway,i am looking forward to the movie next year and i'm happy to see if the movie continue the story ended in Munich1922.

jonny-mt Thought the ending was very well done, managed to capture the spirit of the series and didn't seem rushed. BONES actually did the impossible and tied up most of the plot threads superbly and left a few for the movie...



...Dante and Gluttony's fate seems purposely vague, guess we'll see them in the movie. Same with Envy passing through the Gate and changing into a Green Serpent was wierd.



Bradley killing his son was the real shocker for me, I wasn't expecting that. He seemed like a devoted father. But it reiterates the fact that he's an evil sadistic bastard and Roy did the job of killing him well.



Of course, it's great Al got his body back. The fact he cannot remember the last 4 years is also a good thing, he's seen so many horrors and been through so many disturbing events that he deserves a 'clean' start. Unfortunately it will be without Ed, but then the movie will follow that story...





Most importantly it gives us a really good premise for the movie, hopefully taking it in a new and welcome direction. Look forward to it... :)



The Fuhrer attacking his son was actually really cool. If you remember, he gave him the key a couple of episodes ago, telling him that what was in the vault was his life and that it was now his son's job to protect it. The son came back because he had to get it and then found the Fuhrer in the blaze with Mustang...you'll notice that when the kid looks up at him and asks what's wrong, the Fuhrer isn't looking so hot.



If you're a homunculus and you know where a part of your original body is, it makes a lot of sense that you'd want to be the only one to have access to it.

Gatts I'm confused... how did Mustang randomly end up with an injured eye and needing a cane to walk with, when he injured mostly his arm and chest where Pride stabbed him? And why did he bother pulling out Selim when it seems like he was dead... maybe he did something to save him and it cost Mustang his eye? o_O?



It's likely Archernator just shot him in the head before Riza pwned him. As for the cane, who knows, you'd probably need one after taking a shot like that...

Whisky Hm. So in the end, ed landed in munich 1921... and the movie plays 2 years later...

I only remember one thing that happened 1923, in munich: Hitlers first action to claim power, the beer hall putch.

Normaly, i would discard that idea, but hey, we had fucking zeppelins in episode 49/50, so anything goes...



Hitlers career started already 1919, making propaganda at DAP ( later NSDAP ) and everything started in bavaria, too.

So I think it's munich for a certain reason...

GryphonZ This is better ending than I though. Good to see Al restore his body. Well done BONES !

...Ah can't wait for the movie XD

Ed Elric I wonder what the next anime BONES will be doing is?

dew Well, there are two possibilities:

The time on our side of the gate flows different than there.

Ed arrived a few years later, when he came the second time.



I'm more surprised, that the Automail seemed to work perfectly. At first it looked like it didn't, but afterwards, he clearly was using this arm.

I certainly didn't get either of those two impressions. Ed was older in the very end of the series. I'm gonna say that the 5 years passed, and this is where they are now.

gaheris Man now we have to wait till next summer to find out what happens next. That wait is too long you would think they would try to get it out sooner but I guess not...



I like that Al got his body back but still still have questions like will Al get his memory back? WTF happened to Dante? Did Gluttony eat himself and her. I wonder if he can do no circle alchemy? What happened to Envy and what's up with the dragon what is the point of that? And I hope they don't make it about Ed playing some important role in WWI or II something.

realdeal That would be a dumb ending if Al dont get his memory back. Its basically saying that the whole series for him was pointless.

Reticia in can sense a second fma season, not you? :p

Even if there's a movie, there's too much things that aren't answered



what happened to dante and gluttony? what about envy? what will happen to wrath? will the 2 brothers be together in the future? What about the tringham brothers? etc, etc.



I can sense it as big as a building :heh:

GryphonZ in can sense a second fma season, not you? :p

Even if there's a movie, there's too much things that aren't answered



what happened to dante and gluttony? what about envy? what will happen to wrath? will the 2 brothers be together in the future? What about the tringham brothers? etc, etc.



I can sense it as big as a building :heh:





I hope so ;D

DNE k, if that treasure the furhuer has (i cant spell XD) is his body part, how come when he was putting it in the safe, on ep50 , he didnt get paralyzed or anything ?_?

realdeal DNE - plothole :)



Im confused, how did Ed end up in london timeline cos when he woke up, he was with rose(roze) and shes in alchemist timeline. Also, I thought he got his body back..and was it explained how Al got his body back too?

Proto Well, I guess we need one of the camp of "I totally hated the ending", and that is me. As always, my problem is Bones having a marvelous ability to build up the antagonists, however, like with Scrapped Princess



The way they killed Bradley seemed to me like the way they killed the PeaceMakers, specially Shizu... a potentially good character gone to waste, well at least this time they got a reason, they turned him sadistic in the last three seconds



Also, the rest of the antagonists, except for maybe Envy, got all crappy closures, even if it means that some of them could still appear in the movie.



Also, I feel that they should have killed Roy, but it seems they didnt have the guts of it-



And for Archernator, a character they brought out from nowhere so he could do some flashy filler scenes and have some utter meaningless and stupid death.



As with Wolf's Rain



With the power of Kiba and Cheza we got a.... Brand New World!!! with all the good guys alive







RahXephon



With the power of RahXephon and the will of Ayato we get a... Brand New World!! with all the good guys and even some of the not so bad alive







and Scrapped Princess





With the power of the useless pacifica and the indecision of the utter disapointing Masuer we got a... Brand FREE world (wow they were imaginative here) with all the good guys alive and the bad guys totally wasted (wasted in the sense of wasted potential



And now with Full Metal Alchemist we get...



Two Brand HAPPY worlds.... with almost all the good guys alive, and many of the bad guys utterly wasted again





a beautifully built up series was screwed up (AGAIN) because of time shortage. Congrats Bones, you are getting really good at this.









...Cmon, there is always one who doesnt like it :D

gangsta905_04 i love you bones..DONT LISTEN TO PROTOMAN!!!!

Wrath Wow.. i haven't seen it yet but i think i'm not gonna like it much..

The way it ends just fells incomplete, but i have to see it to say it better..

What is that al lost his memory ?! that is horrible :S at least the other characters can tell him about all that happened on that time.. but now can he perform no circle alchemy?

Well, i'm looking foward to a raw or a fansubbed version.. and to the movie too.

It could have ended better but well... that's how it is..

PS: Excuse my english xD

dew Well, for Ed a lot of time seems to have passed, but on Al's side it could have only been obne or two years, so this would be the first case.





About Dante and Gluttony: I think it's for sure, that Dante is dead. I mean even if she managed to kill Gluttony, the elevator was empty when it arrived, and the only way out was through the hole in the bottom... and I doubt Dante could survive such a fall... Gluttony on the other hand could have survived, if he managed to eat Dante in time.

Could Dante have crossed the Gate? I know Rose's baby wasn't around, but the gate is still within every human in that world, so I'm sure it's possible that she summoned it.

Yxy Does anyone remember the words inside Ed's State Alchemist watch?



"Don't forget

3.Oct.10"



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/Uke_Icons/hosted/3oct10.png



(lifted off the FMA LJ)

neoko Well i think we all just got sooo caught up the "oh! no i hope the ending isn't bad" that a normal ending is given more credit then it deserves. I totally agree with protoman on this one.



A good series, well made and built up in 50 episodes and to tie half the knots up in 1 episode? You know what would of been better? A massive battle royale in the opera house thingy for 2 - 3 episdoes and another 1 for roy fighting with his marvellous powers.



And of course, one last one just to show how the people are getting on, even if it's 5 minutes it's still better. So in my opinion - it's rushed, and couldn't bring out the full potential. I don't want the series to depend on the movie to tie up its wrongs, because the series is a seperate thing and i wish they didn't pack so much into the last episode like every other bones series.



Then again, i liked the rahxephon's ending, and all the other animes made by bones as mentioned, i just wish they took some of the fillers out and use that time to achieve a better ending.

Guido Anybody knows the title for the last episode? or was it never given away?

Yxy First read this,



http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1068871.html



Then this



http://www.livejournal.com/community/fm_alchemist/1075774.html



Don't worry, no spoilers inside. Try not to choke though

Lavender Well i think we all just got sooo caught up the "oh! no i hope the ending isn't bad" that a normal ending is given more credit then it deserves. I totally agree with protoman on this one.



A good series, well made and built up in 50 episodes and to tie half the knots up in 1 episode? You know what would of been better? A massive battle royale in the opera house thingy for 2 - 3 episdoes and another 1 for roy fighting with his marvellous powers.



And of course, one last one just to show how the people are getting on, even if it's 5 minutes it's still better. So in my opinion - it's rushed, and couldn't bring out the full potential. I don't want the series to depend on the movie to tie up its wrongs, because the series is a seperate thing and i wish they didn't pack so much into the last episode like every other bones series.



Then again, i liked the rahxephon's ending, and all the other animes made by bones as mentioned, i just wish they took some of the fillers out and use that time to achieve a better ending.



In my opinion, I think it was a pretti good ending. I agree on what you are saying about the ending being only normal and the fact that people think it's so great is more or less because it was not as bad as everyone thought it would have been. But I dun "totally HATE the ending" like protoman, I like it~



I think we can all agree that the last arc/part of FMA was rushed. It could have been better, the last 5 or so eps could have been better, and there were parts where I went :hmm: as well (like how they pulled that 2-world concept in the very last eps. Some people predictied it, but still I thought something as big-scale as a world setting would be better introduced early on). Some filler eps in the earlier part of the series could have been shortened or taken out, then some more important parts towardz the end could have room to be explored further.



However, even with that in mind I wouldnt have wanted to see the part in the opera house turned into a long massive battle that takes up 2 or 3 episodez; and I would rather NOT have another whole ep dedicated to roy's "marvellous powers" either (though I can totally hear some fan girlz just scream YESSSS to this one :dots: ). As someone stated before in this forum, FMA has not been big on long sweet battles but rather short onez, and I like it that way. If you enjoy long battles where the fighting part itself is looked at in more detail then the flow of the story, then I suggest you look into.....Naruto? ^^"~ :heh:



So what's my point? As a FMA fan who followed the anime weekly from this time last year and is reading the manga as well, I think the ending was not as bad as maybe you and protoman put it. Before I was afraid that the series would relay on the movie to tie up the lose endz as well. But now I think it ended nicely, while leaving enough story to be told in the movie. Overall it was a good year with FMA. I agree with many of the positive comments in this thread.



ps: I like the humur you put into ur post protoman^^~ so far I've onli watched SP and FMA from bones (I know I know...i should be ashamed of myself T___T...need to watch wolf's rain and rahxephon), but everythin ends with...a brand new world?!?!?! lol^^"~

dreamless I agree that this ending is getting a bit too much praise than it deserves. yes, BONES has accomplished the impossible, but that's mostly because it seems like too much of a mess at the end of ep50, that it seems impossible to have even a decent ending to tie up everything, and in my opinion that's exactly what BONES managed to accomplish, a decent ending that ties up quite a lot of things, but still it's nowhere near great for me. It has some good things, and it has some bad things.



first the bad things, the Mustang vs. Pride part they just completely rushed it up, with a pointless Selim character and the birthday present fiasco. and it's just stupid for Pride to kill Selim, he may well tell Selim to get the skull away, but no he kills Selim and throw him (with the skull) away to Mustang. I mean, I can accept that he's a sadistic evil bastard, but here he seems more like an idiotic lunatic, and I can't really see him as an idiotic lunatic :uhoh:



Also for Hawkeye to disposed of Archernator so easily... umm... I guess they just realized the stupidity of Archernator and decided to get it over with fast... but I'd say if Izumi and a lot of soldiers can't take down Archernator, how can Hawkeye do it so easily? :twitch:I'll say that they do tie up the whole Mustang/Pride/Selim/Archernator mess, just quite badly, and actually below my expectation.



The good things, everything else, which are all above my expectation. The Ed/Al thing is solved in quite a cheap wayAl the Philosopher's Stone going all out to revive Ed, that must be the simplest way to solve thingsbut it's quite effective, and I think it's done right, so I like it. the whole epilogue is quite decent too, albeit It seems BONES not only lacks the guts to kill Mustang, nor do they have the guts to let Al mature. Personally I'm a bit sick of "reset" type of ending, well at least the world didn't get reset, just Al. But still I hope he can mature somewhat by the end of the series, but no he got reset to 10 year old. :eyespin: Also there are some funny things, like Envy becoming a green dragon/Seiryuu/Final Fantasy Leviathan summon/whatever inside the Gate... I don't understand that scene, is that just a joke from SquareEnix? :heh: Also the fate of Dante and Gluttony... I doubt we have seen the last of them... I guess it's intentionally done vague... and Wrath... well at least he got to look super cool for once :love:



Oh and who's that German "Professor Hazuhoha" something guy? Is he some famous historic guy or what?



And I don't think Ed time travelled and landed in 1921, since I think there's no time travel between the worlds through the Gate. He just went to "our world" in 1916, and the epilogue just showed what happened 5 years after, which is 1921. It's shown at that time Ed has already gotten quite familiar with "our world". That also means at that time (when Ed is shown), the FMA world time also progressed 5 years, and Al should be 15 years old and Ed should be... 21 year old(?) at that time. I think the very ending showing Al and Ed on the trains is more like a symbolic scene for dramatic effects rather than that they are really on the trains at the same time. well that's my interpretation. I'm a bit surprised that Hohenheim can live for 5 more years... shouldn't his body already deteriorate to its limit? Or the deterioration stops in "our world"?



Overall a decent ending IMO, and sets a good start to the movie :)

dreamless seems some forum problem... double post... deleted :(

ChainLegacy The whole serpent thing could just be symbolic... Envy represented in its true state, a serpent.

Proto Ok, after calming down a bit and rewatching some of the scenes, I have to accept some parts of it where actually good (namely Envy's trip to the real world, and Al's closing speech), some were just plain mediocre (like the "We all are happy and alive" portrayal of the rest of the characters) other illogical (after the death of an idol leader(the Fuhrer) there must have been some kind of uprising, inner disputes among the characters or WHATEVER, but no, General Haruko misteriously dissapears and one of the weakest personalities, the General of the East division, seems to be in charge)... we have other weak and cheesy (like the predictable "I will revive my Ni-San so I can actually do something useful after 20 chapters or so") or the ugly portrayal of Mustang vs Pride...



All in all I have to accept that I didnt hate all of it... rewrite it to a "I just hated most of it" Dunno for you, but even a normal ending, pales as crappy compared with the quality of the pre 48 series.

dreamless The whole serpent thing could just be symbolic... Envy represented in its true state, a serpent. I think it's not really a serpent, it seems it's the FF7 Leviathan summon, which closely resembles an Oriental dragon (or ron/ryuu/however you call it). but then since it's green, so I guess it can be said a Seiryuu (green dragon).

ShinRaKurisu Didn't know if it was still a spoiler or not. Better safe than sorry ^_^



About Prides death.



I was under the impression that a homunculus was suppose to cough up the red stones that it ate to mature to their particular form/figure.



I saw no humunculs seall that was done towards Pride and if I remember correctly all the other homuculi that died were affected by the seal (Sloth, Lust, and Greed)



This brings me to believe that Pride is still somewhere out there and will make an appearence somewhere



Mustang disenegrated his skull right, what to do if Pride comes back now :twitch:



If I missed soemthing in one of the episodes that conflicts with my theory tell me what ep so I can watch it again ^_^

dreamless Didn't know if it was still a spoiler or not. Better safe than sorry ^_^



About Prides death.



I was under the impression that a homunculus was suppose to cough up the red stones that it ate to mature to their particular form/figure.



I saw no humunculs seall that was done towards Pride and if I remember correctly all the other homuculi that died were affected by the seal (Sloth, Lust, and Greed)



This brings me to believe that Pride is still somewhere out there and will make an appearence somewhere



Mustang disenegrated his skull right, what to do if Pride comes back now :twitch:



If I missed soemthing in one of the episodes that conflicts with my theory tell me what ep so I can watch it again ^_^



well, it's not really needed to perform the coughing up red stone part, since each time you kill the homunculus, the life force from the red stones regenerate it, thus if you deplete the power of the red stones eaten by the homunculus by killing it enough times, they'll die.

Rhenium HA!! My predictions were right!



And you guys told me to F*ck myself :frustrated:



Well not completely right but i got the alot of the predictions right :heh:

dew Maybe since Pride's skull was there, Pride couldn't regenerate, so Mustang just burned him until there was nothing left. You could see a pool of red water where Pride was, so you pretty much know he was killed (unlike Lust).

nekodar [spoiler]Envy becoming a green dragon/Seiryuu/Final Fantasy Leviathan summon/whatever inside the Gate... I don't understand that scene, is that just a joke from SquareEnix? :heh:



<snip>



Oh and who's that German "Professor Hazuhoha" something guy? Is he some famous historic guy or what?





Just to kill off some theories:



First one. The dragon is the Uroboros.

I didn't catch that one myself at first, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense.

As for what happened after he disappeared, no idea.



Look up Karl Haushofer for that guy you wonder about.

dreamless Just to kill off some theories:



First one. The dragon is the Uroboros.

I didn't catch that one myself at first, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense.

As for what happened after he disappeared, no idea.



Look up Karl Haushofer for that guy you wonder about.

Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros. Ouroboros is not a type of snake/serpent/dragon/whatever, rather it's the "biting its own tail" part that matters. So if a snake bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if a dragon bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if Leviathan from FF7 bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros...



So Envy is definitely NOT Ouroboros at that time, I don't know if he'll go on to bite his own tail to form an Ouroboros or not, but I doubt it (since he's straight travelling towards the exit). Besides if I remember correctly, the head and tail of the dragon/serpent/snake/whatever Envy transformed into looks quite like the Leviathan summon of FF7, and now that I think more, I seem to recall that the FF7 Leviathan is green in color too... Anyone can help find a good FF7 Leviathan pic?

ChainLegacy Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros. Ouroboros is not a type of snake/serpent/dragon/whatever, rather it's the "biting its own tail" part that matters. So if a snake bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if a dragon bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if Leviathan from FF7 bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros...



So Envy is definitely NOT Ouroboros at that time, I don't know if he'll go on to bite his own tail to form an Ouroboros or not, but I doubt it (since he's straight travelling towards the exit). Besides if I remember correctly, the head and tail of the dragon/serpent/snake/whatever Envy transformed into looks quite like the Leviathan summon of FF7, and now that I think more, I seem to recall that the FF7 Leviathan is green in color too... Anyone can help find a good FF7 Leviathan pic?

Here (http://www.eternal-legend.com/ffvii/summons/shots/leviathan4.jpg) is one. Yeah, I do notice similarities. Maybe you're correct...

jpwong Here's just a quick little link to a short summery of Karl Haushofer.

http://www.bookrags.com/biography/karl-haushofer/



What's probably relevent is

"Joining the staff of Munich University in 1921, he quickly became, as the major general-professor-doctor, a respected figure."



Guess who Hohenheim is talking to in munich. It's Karl Haushofer. If you don't believe me, do a google image search of his name and compare a photo to the anime.

ShinRaKurisu Thank you for clearing up that for me dreamless.



I wonder what the connection is with Envy and Final Fantasy VII



What if we see Leviathan (could be Envy) in Advent Children :heh:



Lol



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JOJOS'STAR Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros. Ouroboros is not a type of snake/serpent/dragon/whatever, rather it's the "biting its own tail" part that matters. So if a snake bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if a dragon bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros, if Leviathan from FF7 bites its own tail, it can be called Ouroboros...



So Envy is definitely NOT Ouroboros at that time, I don't know if he'll go on to bite his own tail to form an Ouroboros or not, but I doubt it (since he's straight travelling towards the exit). Besides if I remember correctly, the head and tail of the dragon/serpent/snake/whatever Envy transformed into looks quite like the Leviathan summon of FF7, and now that I think more, I seem to recall that the FF7 Leviathan is green in color too... Anyone can help find a good FF7 Leviathan pic?



The point about Ouroboros is not that he simply bit his tail but actualy swallow it. Makes it a quite complexe symbole of infinity. The Snake eat himself till no end.. thats about it..

EnergyRift It definitely was a way to clean ending.. I mean sure.. we all enjoy them.. but.. it was.. too clean.. Roy.. c'mon.. =/ I was like, OH NO ROY IS DEAD!! But then they bring him back to life after seeing his bloody body.. it was like.. whoopie? >.>; The vagueness with the bad guys leaves for good opportunities.. but.. I kinda wanted to see a Winry Ed thing.. but no.. they are in seperate worlds.. long distant relationships work out, right? It was just.. too happy for me, I expected a little darker, because it was like.. everyone lives in the end.. >.>;



As for the whole Envy thing.. Yes.. Ouroboros is the biting of the tail thing.. but WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GET SO FREAKING SCIENTIFICAL ABOUT IT? Maybe he's just the creature from the mark itself, which was on the freaking homunculus.. So we called him a freaking Ouroboros.. but Oh no.. he's all not biting his tail, no way.. I think getting to literal is a bad thing in this case, I think he's the Snake/Serpent/Dragon of the Ouroboros, which is probably what they meant for him to be, so it wasn't so random. But showing him eating his own tail, would have been a little too weird, so we can conclude it was an elusion towards the actual thing. So he's not the literal Ouroboros meaning.. he's.. the creature.. in it.. -.-;

babbitblob well remember, in episode, the priest had that weird dream w/ the serpent rising from the ouroboros symbol, but that one was red. :P

krem it was a relatively good epsiode, and one of the better bones jobs when it comes to endings. as mentioned, i felt some of the stuff that happened was far too convenient, such as pride dying, archer being shot to death, roy surviving, al getting his body back after sacrificing himself, and ed trying to do the same and still ending up alive



having said all that, it bodes well for the movie in some respects as i expected it to end up as a flashback movie, however, the end of episode 51 provides a different slant, and that is ed and al's search to find each other, within it taking two years perhaps for ed to managing to create a rocket of some sort and al to re-learn alchemy



so there may not be any fights to speak of in the movie, and instead, possibly, taking on a more philosophical tone with the struggle to reach their goals and such. In part the ending is a cop out, and the movie is just dragging out the obvious, on the other hand for fan's it will be closure, hopefully with an actual, complete ending. So not a bad episode, but not as good as I hoped for.

Shigan I'm sorry if this will be an ignorant question, but wasn't FMA supposed to be 52 episodes? 51 sure looked like an ending.

Proto and one of the better bones jobs when it comes to endings



Which isn't saying much anyway :D

Spastic_Hobo I'm sorry if this will be an ignorant question, but wasn't FMA supposed to be 52 episodes? 51 sure looked like an ending.



There's only 51. That's the end.

Anita-chan wah, thought babee roy mustang died :( but he nvr soooo ......... :P:P:P:P pretty good ending i'd say cant wait till the movie now ^^ i wanna see how ed and al meet hehe!



Shigan: theres 51 episodes and 1 movie coming soon making it a almighty 52 ^^

Proto I'm sorry if this will be an ignorant question, but wasn't FMA supposed to be 52 episodes? 51 sure looked like an ending.



They do are 52 chapters... its just that there is a chapter 0 around....i think :p

OMchan I remember watching something that was labelled "Episode 0" or something like that a long time ago. It was subbed in Chinese.... and all I can remember is Paku Romi and Kugimiya Rie talking and also an old man. :o

Xikius I liked this ending a lot, since it reflected what the whole series is about (to me, anyway). This show began and ended being about brotherly love, wanting to do whatever it takes to help the other, no matter the danger involved. They both sacrificed themselves at the end for the other to live on. The end showed the reason they will continue on, is because of the love between them. This show was about the journey they went through for each other. The alchemy, homonculi, army, Ishbal, and all the rest took a back seat to this theme. I have no doubt in mind that if there were no Elric brothers in this story, it would have only been of partial interest to me, but as it turns out, Full Metal Alchemist is now one of my all time favorite shows.

Kelya Well the most perfect ending ever



The RoyxRiza moment was just too great =3

The moments were just too perfect ...and i like the wa Roy kill Pride (somehow similar in chap 39)

I like how the ending let us think about the upcoming movie...Envy, Warth...Glut'n Dante...

Its just that such a great series came to an end but well ...



Is it me or Ed looks more and more like a chick :heh: *runs*

-|(aGe-BuNsHiN- I don't know about you guys but that ending was a little too happy for me. They should have left at least Al dead. Oh wellz the movie better be good....its coming in 2005 right? Anyone know like the exact month or season at least?



Also, did any1 else feel some kind of romance thing between Winry and Al at the end?



when Al is leaving on the train, Winry keeps on telling him to come back safely with that face....and that kind of gave me the feeling that Winry chose Al over Ed....

PLEASE prove me WRONG

dreamless As for the whole Envy thing.. Yes.. Ouroboros is the biting of the tail thing.. but WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GET SO FREAKING SCIENTIFICAL ABOUT IT? Maybe he's just the creature from the mark itself, which was on the freaking homunculus.. So we called him a freaking Ouroboros.. but Oh no.. he's all not biting his tail, no way.. I think getting to literal is a bad thing in this case, I think he's the Snake/Serpent/Dragon of the Ouroboros, which is probably what they meant for him to be, so it wasn't so random. But showing him eating his own tail, would have been a little too weird, so we can conclude it was an elusion towards the actual thing. So he's not the literal Ouroboros meaning.. he's.. the creature.. in it.. -.-; It's okay if you want to put it that way, but still the question is... why does Envy's "Ouroboros creature" look like the FF7 summon Leviathan? Lust's Ouroboros creature looks very different in that regard... I can't help but think it's maybe some little "easter egg" put in by SquareEnix :heh:



Here (http://www.eternal-legend.com/ffvii/summons/shots/leviathan4.jpg) is one. Yeah, I do notice similarities. Maybe you're correct... thanks a lot... nice pic... :cool: Also I remember seeing a conceptual art of FF7 Leviathan somewhere... but can't remember the adress... oh well :p



Also, did any1 else feel some kind of romance thing between Winry and Al at the end?



when Al is leaving on the train, Winry keeps on telling him to come back safely with that face....and that kind of gave me the feeling that Winry chose Al over Ed....

PLEASE prove me WRONGRegarding Winry and romance and things, yup it looks like she's now closer to Al (both physically and mentally) than Ed. But then Al has to grow up a bit first... he's 10 year old, Winry is... 15? 16? well, anyone else noticed that she's got quite a nice body in the epilogue, especially in the dinner scene, she's well competing against Roze and Izumi :heh:



Interestingly, in the manga chapter 39 there's also a big Winry-Al development. with all those "welcome back", "I'm back" talk ;)

Scrumhalf Well the most perfect ending ever



The RoyxRiza moment was just too great =3

The moments were just too perfect ...and i like the wa Roy kill Pride (somehow similar in chap 39)

I like how the ending let us think about the upcoming movie...Envy, Warth...Glut'n Dante...

Its just that such a great series came to an end but well ...



Is it me or Ed looks more and more like a chick :heh: *runs*



Ed looks more and more like a chick? A very muscular chick?



Yea it's just you. :twitch:

Scrumhalf I don't know about you guys but that ending was a little too happy for me. They should have left at least Al dead. Oh wellz the movie better be good....its coming in 2005 right? Anyone know like the exact month or season at least?



Also, did any1 else feel some kind of romance thing between Winry and Al at the end?



when Al is leaving on the train, Winry keeps on telling him to come back safely with that face....and that kind of gave me the feeling that Winry chose Al over Ed....

PLEASE prove me WRONG





No. Al as a 10-year-old would finally rub out any suggestions of a possible Al x Winry relationship. Sorry fangirls. :heh:

I didn't see any romance during that Winry & Al scene. Why can't a sister blush towards her younger brother? ;)

IMO Ed x Winry is still strong & possible, leading up to a movie.

I also have a strong feeling a Winry x Ed x Rose triangle will own up.







My prediction: Hohenheim is a spy for the United Kingdom while in Munich, Germany, with Edward. Surely.

Why would he be scheduled at a meeting with Winston Churchill (Ep 49?) at the first place?

dreamless My prediction: Hohenheim is a spy for the United Kingdom while in Munich, Germany, with Edward. Surely.

Why would he be scheduled at a meeting with Winston Churchill (Ep 49?) at the first place?

Yup it really makes sense, I love this theory... and judging from their obsession after the supernatural and advanced technology, maybe we can see some Indiana Jones action in the move :cool:



However there's still one thing bothering me, which is the time travel or the lack thereof stuff about Ed So do you think Ed really time travelled inside the Gate 5 years into the future or time flows differently on both sides, or that the epilogue about Ed is just 5 years after he arrived in the "real world"? I'm more inclined to think that it's just Ed living 5 years in the "real world", but then that put the statement of "the movie happens 2 years after the series" into question. does that mean the movie happens 2 years after the Ed's epilogue or Al's epilogue, because in this case 2 years after Ed's epilogue means 7 years after Al's epilogue already (well I guess that leaves Al with plenty of time to re-master Alchemy)



I don't really like the time flows differently idea... sounds too much like Tokyo Jupiter in RahXephon, not to mention if such a short amount of time (Ed basically get back to FMA world, get killed, get revived, get to the "real world" again in just moments) in FMA world means 5 years in "real world", that means Hohenheim must have lived in the real world for quite some time, maybe several decades, between Hohenheim sent to "real world" by Dante and Ed first trip to "real world". Does that mean FMA characters become immortals in "real world" :twitch:



There are definitely too much things happened too conveniently in the ending like Gluttony goes after the elevator and Dante but leaving Roze and Ed alone? Of course there's the Pride going idiotic and lunatic and killing Selim that I have mentioned, and an apparently dead Mustang revive, and Al reset, things like that



For Al and Winry romance idea, well, don't dump it too easily yet, if the FMA movie indeed happens 7 years after Al's epilogue scene, that means Al will be 17 year old and Winry 22 years old, and it will be perfectly okay for them to develop a relationship then :p (I'm still in shock that Winry can have a body competing Izumi's at only 15 year old... I can't wait to see how she will look like when she' 22 :heh: )

Tae Okay, so Al gave back Ed's arm & leg along with his life. Ed has his real arm and leg when he was in London. So why does Ed have automail now that he's back in London? Did I miss something somewhere?

dreamless Okay, so Al gave back Ed's arm & leg along with his life. Ed has his real arm and leg when he was in London. So why does Ed have automail now that he's back in London? Did I miss something somewhere?

from what I understand Ed lost his arm and leg again when he performed the alchemy and went to "real world". Last time it was his body (the one with automails) got stuck inside the Gate and his soul went into the "Edward-kun" of London, like a spiritual possession, however Edward-kun of London got killed in the Zeppelin attack, and now it's actually that Ed performed human transmutation, enters the Gate, lose his arm and leg again, his body going through the Gate and end up in London, so this time it's the real Ed's body, not the Edward-kun of London one. And now I think it's not automail for him, it's just your normal prosthetic limb of the "real world". far less convenient than automail I'd say, you can see that his hand just hang there motionlessly, unlike automail.



The automail in the end is more or less a symbolic thing from how I interpret it. Ed looks at his prosthetic arm covered under cloth and glove, and sees the automail he once had...

WristBandMan EXCELLENT ENDING~!!!





But nobody addressed this question yet --- those rebels in the North War (Armstrong, Breda etc...) they just got free like that~~?? Not executed as traitors at all eh? Well, we didn't see Havoc.. :twitch:





A second one -- I'm pissed with Rose~~~ What's with her attitude all over from the episode she was brought underground by Dante... kinda like under a spell or something... the danc with Ed etc.... then suddenly she got a grip for no reason.. wt?



but still, EXCELLENT ENDING!!

raspberihevn First off something non-spoilerish:

What's with this >< constant fan group fights!? It's like they're always at war with one another O_o;;

Today's new release: Fullmetal Alchemist 51 by [ShinsenSonchouSucks]



Retort: "2004, Oct 3. Once again, people who want to make names for themselves decided to be cool and release a shitty translation of FMA 51. Well, for the people at aoi-anime, and such, I'd like to say thanks, for once again making yourselves look like assholes and such. Its a pity your crap group is gonna die Shinkun. And remember, we didn't start this little battle, your group did, and i can't wait to watch aoi-anime go down in flames.I know who was involved, it wasn't hard to figure out."



Ok now onwards with the episode:

What a never ending cycle. I got to say in one way I'm satisfied and content because most of my questions are answered. But in another way I want to sigh... it was such an unexpected ending.. did everything end well? I'm not quite sure. And how was it possible for Al not to remember any of his travels with Ed? But the good thing is that he DOES remember his brother right?



The GATE explanation was pretty odd. I can accept that it was two alternate worlds. But how was Ed's father >< able to find the world of alchemy and travel to that world? Another hmm filled with more ?? Tsch >_> I would have hated this episode as its ending if it wasn't for Ed's *brilliant smile* at the end. It makes everything seem okay doesn't it -^_^-

Spastic_Hobo To all those who were dissapointed by the happiness of this ending. A little piece of me feels i would have heard bitching from you if all the main players had died in typical BONES fashion. I for one thought the ending was perfect the way it was. I know I would have been pissed if Mustang bit the big one.

hunterx of course the ending was good. Probably one of the few animes where you had a complete story from beginning to end instead of the many open ended, unanswered questions, everybody dies and plain fucked up endings that make no sense we get treated to all the time.

dreamless of course the ending was good. Probably one of the few animes where you had a complete story from beginning to end instead of the many open ended, unanswered questions, everybody dies and plain fucked up endings that make no sense we get treated to all the time.

hmm... are you being sarcastic? since this is definitely not a complete story... not yet... it's pretty much intentionally open ended to start a movie. There are plenty of loose ends, which I guess are intentionally left for the movie. Most of the villains' whereabouts end up unknown. How is it a complete story when the whole epilogue is practically the prologue for the upcoming movie?



To all those who were dissapointed by the happiness of this ending. A little piece of me feels i would have heard bitching from you if all the main players had died in typical BONES fashion. I for one thought the ending was perfect the way it was. I know I would have been pissed if Mustang bit the big one.



have you really read what people have posted? Since I think no single person is disappointed by the happiness of this ending. Heck, another BONES anime just ended some days ago, namely Kenran Butoh Sai, with maybe the BIGGEST happy ending of recent animes, and as far as I can tell, everyone LOVE it. And no, noone is pissed because Mustang lives, but plenty of people got pissed that he practically drops dead for no apparent reason with Hawkeye crying over "his corpse", and later on revived for no apparent reason. There are plenty of happy endings that ROCKS, while Fullmetal Alchemist ending is just decent. However to say it's perfect or best ending ever is way of an overstatement, especially considering it's not exactly an ending in the strict sense.



It's not whether it's "happy ending" or "sad ending" that matters, it's the natural flow of plot development and conclusion that matters. FMA ending have zero conclusion. Its flow is okay, not as smooth as some others, but not so forced neither, far better than the recent surge of animes killing characters with no reason in some forced cliche sad endings. I like sad endings, but I'm also strongly against the recent trend of animes killing people with no apparent reason and making sad endings that serves no purpose except for the very sake of making sad endings. Those are just plain bad endings. FMA ending is at least better than those, that much I can credit it for. And it's not really an ending, rather a transition leading up to the movie. If BONES tells us that there's no movie or any continuation of the storyline and the whole FMA story just ends here, I'd be much more disappointed. I guess we'll have to wait for the 2005 movie to tell if FMA really has a good happy or sad ending :)

Sledeau Before the recent episodes, I had gotten the impression that the FMA world was set centuries ahead of our current one, based on (I think this is how it went) Dante mentioning to Rosa that the cathedral they were entering was from one of a long dead religion from 400 years ago, or maybe I got the 400 years ago figure from when Dante and Hohenheim started doing the eternal life thing, dunno. Figured Christianity, its a cathedral after all. So, something must have happened with the Christian religion and alchemy, and lead up to how the current world is. Ishabal might have been the "modern" offshoot of Christianity in the FMA world, seeing as how alchemy was against its laws (which would fall under magic, a no-no under Christianity)



What am I trying to say? Maybe I'm just reading into it too much, but maybe it explains how the two worlds are similar, maybe they got split from each other at some point. (Tales of Symphonia!)

archange I wonder if Dante managed to use the bits of Philosopher's stone in gluttony to bind her soul in his body :heh:

being in a homunculus who regenerates might block her decaying :confused:

dreamless I wonder if Dante managed to use the bits of Philosopher's stone in gluttony to bind her soul in his body :heh:

being in a homunculus who regenerates might block her decaying :confused:

that's a great idea! now I think about it, kinda wonder why Dante didn't do that before? binding her soul onto a homunculus who can consume red stone to regenerate its body surely sounds a good way to preventing the decay I guess ;)

CyberPunk if she did that, would she be able to perform alchemy while in the homunculus' body?

Antonik if she did that, would she be able to perform alchemy while in the homunculus' body?N oneed for alchemiy, once a homonculus you live forever. Not to mention some cool power.

Pailong somethings been bothering me about the end ep.



why was gluttony munching on the philosophers stone/Al ? i didnt get that part. And where did al go after the transmutation for ed? inside the gate? and then ed brought him back right?

BuGGY!! Pailong,



Homunculus feed on humans, Philosophers stone is made from many many human sacrifices. Since gluttony loves eating so much, all he wanted to do was to munch of the stone inside of AL (Dante also did something to him so that he'd stop thinking, since he was devastated from Lust's death).



What I want to know is



since Al doesn't have any memories of anything after the time they tried to revive their mum, did any of them bother to tell him what happened in the 4 years?



When Al said he wanted to learn alchemy, they were all worried (most likely because Al would prolly end up lookin for the philosophers stone again). I seriously think Al deserves to hear about their journey, with all the things him and Ed went through. So i wondered if they told him.



This ending was awesome, I hope the movie leaves untied ends so they can another season/series. FMA is the best anime i've seen yet. :)

jpwong What am I trying to say? Maybe I'm just reading into it too much, but maybe it explains how the two worlds are similar, maybe they got split from each other at some point. (Tales of Symphonia!)

Dunno bout splitting, but in general, it's that the 2 worlds evolved the same until about the 1500s where "here" christianity was born and flourished whereas "there" alchemy was successful and wiped out christianity's beliefs.

CyberPunk N oneed for alchemiy, once a homonculus you live forever. Not to mention some cool power.



i'm not asking if there's a need, i'm asking if dante would be able to perform alchemy if she bound her soul to a homunculus' body.

Avarice Hey, well for those of you who have watched Episode 51, you heard the classical music (piano) that was played just as Hawkeye is mourning over Roy Mustang and plays through the part when Envy is inside the gate.



Well, does anyone know the title/artist of this classical theme? Sorry, just that I do not know anything about classical music and musicians (cept the obvious: Beethoven, Bach, etc) and well I would really appreciate it if someone can tell me the title to that classical music theme song. And/or also, the musician that plays it.



Thanks

DNE hmm jst saw this episode, sad :( :(



bt something i dont get



so if ed didnt do that thing in when he was half naked, would al be alive? because it said when he tried to, he jst came to this world, does that mean when he was doing that thing when he was half naked, it didnt work? :heh:

devilpim I just watched the last episode.

Gosh! I can't wait for the movie!

hunterx hmm... are you being sarcastic? since this is definitely not a complete story... not yet... it's pretty much intentionally open ended to start a movie. There are plenty of loose ends, which I guess are intentionally left for the movie. Most of the villains' whereabouts end up unknown. How is it a complete story when the whole epilogue is practically the prologue for the upcoming movie?



it is pretty complete for me. Not every question has to be answered for the story to be complete, but in the last episode we knew pretty much what happened to all the major players. We knew what happened to al, ed, the fire alchemist and his gf, furher, the bomb alchemist, izumi etc and all the storylines they pursued ended.



Of course they are some questions, as there should be.



You may ask, what happened to dante and gluttony, did lust really die, where did wrath go etc etc but these questioned can be answered in a later movie and is not necessary for the fma story end.

Rockpaperscissors Uhm I may be wrong but how do we know that Al is 'physically' 10 years old? I mean he looks taller and much mature than his character design was when Ed and Al were going to get trained by Izumi when they were kids... It seems as if Al is back with no memory of what happened ever since the transmutaion of their mother yet with a 15 year olds body.. but I don't understand any japanese so maybe I should wait for the translation of the episode.



but anyways the movie will clear things out. Dante will finally die and Ed will find a way to open the portal through science (Einstein, relativity, quantum mechanics?) one brother will get rose, the other winly, mustang will become fuhrer and a side character or two may perish through the process... ohh also envy may show up at the other side of the gate WITH powers just to F... with ed and hohenheim one last time...



ohh also Nostradamus was a human from FMA world who had crossed over to our through THE GATE. thAts why he was able to make such accurate predictions because he saw them at the gate...



ed chooses not to use his metal arm in our world because it cannot be created over there. its science or whatever is beyond our worlds understanding (even know) so its better that no one knows what it is and that it functions.



also its very nice to see that both brother held their promise about that they made at episode 3.



why these weird rumblings without an order? cause I am awake with less than 2 hours of sleep for the last 73+ hours.. yay..

Pacote Doesnt anyone noticed of what barry said ? About AL (the one in the giant armor) having crated memories? Now that the flesh AL doesnt remember ANYTHING just support the idea that maybe the al in the armor was not the real al and the real al's soul was all this time in the GATE?



anyone?

BetoJR That's one hell of a good point... I wonder... :hmm:

Ed Elric I think your right actually, I think maybe Ed really did just bind his memories of Al to the Armor like Barry said way back when. Much like Tucker planned to do with Nina.



So, when Al was restored his actual soul was brought from beyond the gate and thats why he doens't remember.



Man I cried so much in this episode...espically at the end ;-; I feel so empty now thats its over ;-;

dreamless it is pretty complete for me. Not every question has to be answered for the story to be complete, but in the last episode we knew pretty much what happened to all the major players. We knew what happened to al, ed, the fire alchemist and his gf, furher, the bomb alchemist, izumi etc and all the storylines they pursued ended.



Of course they are some questions, as there should be.



You may ask, what happened to dante and gluttony, did lust really die, where did wrath go etc etc but these questioned can be answered in a later movie and is not necessary for the fma story end.

hmm... the story they pursue has ended? it's more like the story they pursue has just started/restarted. also I don't see how Izumi's story has ended since she's not done anything about Wrath yet. And I'd say Dante and Envy are definitely major players, if even Mustang, Riza and Kimblee can be said as major players, Dante and Envy are much more important to the whole story. I'd even say it's as open-ended as an ending can be, there's no conclusion for most things, almost nothing got resolved, there's zero sense of closure, fully paving the way for the upcoming movie. It's not really even an ending in itself, it's mostly a transition to the movie.



ed chooses not to use his metal arm in our world because it cannot be created over there. its science or whatever is beyond our worlds understanding (even know) so its better that no one knows what it is and that it functions.



I don't think that's automail arm, that should be just normal prosthetic arm from our world. he lost the arm to resurrect Al, there's no automail for him in this world.



Anyway, what do you people think about whether Ed time-travelled 5 years to the future in our world, or stayed in our world 5 years all those time reading books and things?

DNE hmm jst saw this episode, sad :( :(



bt something i dont get



so if ed didnt do that thing in when he was half naked, would al be alive? because it said when he tried to, he jst came to this world, does that mean when he was doing that thing when he was half naked, it didnt work? :heh:





hmmm?



and yea, dont u jst hate it when an anime you've been watching for the past year jst finishes?i feel so err bored?

Mhasama I cant believe no one thought of this:



Since in our world alchemy doesnt exist, that means that if Envy goes through the gate he will die cause hes a homunculi. Hes made from alchemy. Thats why he was getting ripped of by the little freak babies. Even if he transforms into a snake or wtv he wont be able to make it throught the gate since alchemy aint possible in our world! Simple eh :heh:

DNE how come ed+als dad is still rotting?

Rockpaperscissors just watched translation YAY!!



ok al is 10. sorry about previus post of him looking old maybe pysically being 15... (I still think he does look old but whatever)...



at this point.. we should just accepting the show for what it is. is there equivalent trade? maybe.. we just don't know what the exact rules are and neither are we supposed to know...



6+ months to our 1+hour dosage of final animated FMA...can't wait...

reymysteriojr In a way I'm happy the series is over and in a way i'm not.

I'm happy it's over because I wanted to see the whole series before they start ruining it here in the states.



I'm not happy because it's over and we wont have any FMA til the movie comes out in 2005 sometime.

nekodar Err... to make something clear, Ouroboros practically means a snake/dragon/serpent/whatever biting its tail, as Ouroboros is greek for "devouring its tail", and since Envy was not biting its own tail, so we can't call it Ouroboros.



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All homunculus have an Ouroboros seal. Compare the serpent Envy turned into and the seal. And think for a few moments.

I wrote what I did, the way I did it, because I thought there was no need to explain it further. Call it whatever you want, but the serpent and the seal are not unconnected.

nekodar I'm disappointed that noone brought up the Thule Society into the discussion. I don't want to believe that there is noone here that didn't understand that part...

If you don't know what I talk about, google for it, and watch the "our world" part of FMA 51 again.

Rockpaperscissors All homunculus have an Ouroboros seal. Compare the serpent Envy turned into and the seal. And think for a few moments.

I wrote what I did, the way I did it, because I thought there was no need to explain it further. Call it whatever you want, but the serpent and the seal are not unconnected.



sorry but what you say doesn't prove anything... envy can transmute into any shape human and creature... he transmuted into a dragon because for us viewers its a cool image to see a dragon fly into the center of the light...the homonculi have oroburos tattoo because in the manga the tatoo has a purpose just like the little dots on the body of the homonculi. in the anime they were simply character design and the mark that they aren't human.



also the first dragon transmutation in episode 1 is nothing but a nightmare...

dew just watched translation YAY!!



ok al is 10. sorry about previus post of him looking old maybe pysically being 15... (I still think he does look old but whatever)...



at this point.. we should just accepting the show for what it is. is there equivalent trade? maybe.. we just don't know what the exact rules are and neither are we supposed to know...



6+ months to our 1+hour dosage of final animated FMA...can't wait...

I agree with you. Al looked 15 in the end of the series.



I'm gonna say the ENTIRE epilouge was "5 years later". Not just the Munich stuff.

Liquidzero I think it's not really a serpent, it seems it's the FF7 Leviathan summon, which closely resembles an Oriental dragon (or ron/ryuu/however you call it). but then since it's green, so I guess it can be said a Seiryuu (green dragon).



am i the only one that would guess he's supposed to have turned into a ouroborous?

Liquidzero sorry but what you say doesn't prove anything... envy can transmute into any shape human and creature... he transmuted into a dragon because for us viewers its a cool image to see a dragon fly into the center of the light...the homonculi have oroburos tattoo because in the manga the tatoo has a purpose just like the little dots on the body of the homonculi. in the anime they were simply character design and the mark that they aren't human.



also the first dragon transmutation in episode 1 is nothing but a nightmare...



i still believe that it is ouroboros related, the fact that he's not biting his own tail can symbolize that he's lost the eternal life aspect of being a homoculi.

archange i'm not asking if there's a need, i'm asking if dante would be able to perform alchemy if she bound her soul to a homunculus' body.



well it's said that homunculus can't perform alchemy because they come from the other side of the gate. wrath could because he had ed's limbs. as for a homunculus with a soul we don't know, it has never happened.

I would have liked to see Lust making her wish come true though :(

xyrrus was ep 51 the last one? It seems like it was but animenfo.com says the series is 52 eps.

Mr_Paper was ep 51 the last one? It seems like it was but animenfo.com says the series is 52 eps.AnimeNFO is, as usual, wrong. Episode 51 is indeed the last episode.

zidul I'm disappointed that noone brought up the Thule Society into the discussion. I don't want to believe that there is noone here that didn't understand that part...

If you don't know what I talk about, google for it, and watch the "our world" part of FMA 51 again.



so those guys around the transmutation sircle we the thule society? that ties in Karl Haushofer then... i still dont understand that part, can someone enlighten(sp?) me?

Carrackus heh wouldn't it be funny if ENvy turned out to be the Loch Ness monster. Did you guys hear the Ness sound effect during that scene..



I'm not joking Envy could be :hmm:

AOforever1 It's 12 am and I have school tomarrow, but I'll comment on FMA ep 51.



FMA a higher quality anime than most of the existing ones, and the ending was awsome.



That's all for now, but I'll be sure to add a few more complete comments later.

davidlionheartZ just saw epi 51 3 times now :) and its so freaking good 'n sad ed get his arm and leg back for too long on the other hand ai got his stuff, but the are separated now :sad: i like the feeling of it all unfinish stories with endings and continues well now we all have to wait for me the movie! ::sits and waits till 2005:: :)

FlyByNite So I watched 51 and had a kinda odd thought about the future of Envy

Umm... We know he hates humans, we know he tried to get to the other world. Think Bones would make him have somehow assumed Hitler's identity and following Pride's example, become ruler of a country?





Anyway as for the ep itself. Man, that was nearly perfect. If there wasn't a movie planned, I would have rather Ed had sacrificed himself to save Al and not have wound up in the other world, but just be dead. But since the movie will move on with the events I like the series ending better this way with them separated.



I always was in that camp that Al might not have really been Al, but memories Ed used to create an Al-clone. I'm not sure they confirmed that in this episode, and two different characters both said "You both used equivalent trade and traded those 4 years worth of experiences...etc..." so Bones is probably saying that it was real-AL, he just traded his memories.



I hope it was fake-Al though, I just like that scenario better for whatever reason.



I really thought Mustang was dead until the second half. I'm happy that Riza gets a happy ending with him though. I guess Robo-Archer shot him in the head when he pointed that gun at him, would have been nice to have seen what happened though.



As for the ending. I think the symbollic discussion is the right one. When we first see Ed and his new automail it really doesn't look like the arm functions at all, it's just hanging there. I think it's probably just there to make him feel comfort for what he used to have and it's not functional so the scene on the train was more Ed's imagination then reality... Although I guess we'll find out in the movie.



*EDIT* I keep re-watching the last few minutes. When Ed walks away from his Father he seems to walk ok, so he must have a working leg. Whether it's automail or not I don't know. And even before that final scene we see Ed's "metal" hand holding the blueprint so maybe he does have working automail? I don't know how, but :shrug:

GryphonZ 6+ months to our 1+hour dosage of final animated FMA...can't wait...



Maybe not that long cuz after 1-2 months DVD of movie will arrive and Sonchou will sub it. ^^''



but hey we still have manga to reading while waiting for movie.





PS. That last scene that both Al and Ed in the train is very sad thing XD~..

dreamless am i the only one that would guess he's supposed to have turned into a ouroborous?



you are not the only one, see nekodar's replies and my replies, the fact remains that Ouroboros is NOT a type of creature. there are no specific creature, mystical or not, called Ouroboros. The Ouroboros is just a snake biting its own tail, you can catch a snake anywhere and make a specimen with it biting it's own tail and you have made an Ouroboros.



All homunculus have an Ouroboros seal. Compare the serpent Envy turned into and the seal. And think for a few moments.

I wrote what I did, the way I did it, because I thought there was no need to explain it further. Call it whatever you want, but the serpent and the seal are not unconnected.



You can speculate on that the creature Envy turned into is connected to the creature in the Ouroboros seal on him all you want, what I said are just the fact that the creature looks suspiciously similar to FF7's Leviathan for me. So I wonder if it's SquareEnix's easter egg kind of things to make it look like Leviathan, whether it's connected to the Ouroboros mark or not. So your first reply on Ouroboros basically had nothing to do with my post that you quoted.



So I watched 51 and had a kinda odd thought about the future of Envy

*EDIT* I keep re-watching the last few minutes. When Ed walks away from his Father he seems to walk ok, so he must have a working leg. Whether it's automail or not I don't know. And even before that final scene we see Ed's "metal" hand holding the blueprint so maybe he does have working automail? I don't know how, but :shrug:







Hmm... I think real prosthetic arms and legs can also somewhat function for slow walking and holding things... provided not both of your legs are prosthetic ones... Also maybe Ed had 5 years to get used to them... Now it seems noone here has really thought about whether it's 5 years in real world or time travel or something? :confused:

FlyByNite Hmm... I think real prosthetic arms and legs can also somewhat function for slow walking and holding things... provided not both of your legs are prosthetic ones... Also maybe Ed had 5 years to get used to them... Now it seems noone here has really thought about whether it's 5 years in real world or time travel or something? :confused:



Well TODAY they can, but in 1921 I don't even think they gave people prosthetic limbs, it was probably more like a peg-leg "Ahoy matey" :D



Either way he should be walking where he has to swing the other leg because it wouldn't be capable bending.



Actually maybe it is possible I googled and found



In 1863, Dubois L Parmelee of New York City made an improvement to the attachment of artificial limbs. He fastened a body socket to the limb with atmospheric pressure. He was not the first person to do so, but he was the first person to do so with satisfactory results. In 1898, Dr. Vanghetti invented an artificial limb that could move with through muscle contraction



Then I even found a pdf about limb replacement in the first world war with some pics of them

http://eric.stamen.com/ww1/nomans/nomansland.pdf



So I guess it is not that much of a stretch to say he could have a mechanical arm and leg. Guess I learn something new everyday :D

Makoto-san First post by me! A few things:



The classical piece of music: It's a Chopin Etude - Opus 10 No.4 in E major. I have a recording of me playing it somewhere on my hard drive :)



Envy going into the gate is definitely ambiguous: According to the translation for ep.51 (not sure on its accuracy), Ed warns him that it might not be such a good idea to go through the gate, but Envy refuses to listen to him and pushes through anyway. There is a possibility that he's gone through to the real world, but it's also likely that being a homunculus, he cannot exist in the real world, and him being bitten by those black creatures, as well as transforming into the snake/leviathan/ourouboros/whatever, is an indication that he was unravelled to his original state within the gate - i.e. broken down to his purest form.



Al at the age of 10: My theory is that when Ed bound Al's soul to the armor back when, Al's body was in limbo in the gate - hence when Ed brought him back, he returned to that body. As for the memories, the conversation between Ed and Hohenheim in Munich seemed to imply that Ed originally intended to sacrifice himself to bring back his brother, but in the end the 4 years of travel, searching and sacrifice ended up as payment instead, leaving Al his old old self and Ed alive in the real world. The memories were real but it was his payment for being brought back to the FMA world. Also Al wants to see his brother again, so he knows he's missing - someone must have at least given him an overview (maybe not the whole truth) about what happened and how they got separated.



Ed's automail in the real world: It's probably prosthetic as mentioned in this thread already. You can see that he moves a bit differently, without the fluidity he's used to with Winry's automail. Even if he's had time to get used to it, it's clearly not as good.



Lots of other thoughts but that's it for now =)

ChaKo about the time travel theory...i dont think ed jumped 5 years into the future nor does time run faster in our world...im pretty sure that sheska was just saying that when they found al he had the body of a ten year old, and that was just her telling us how they found him, not saying that what we were currently seeing was him at the age of 10. By the looks of it, Al seems to have gotten older and its safe to assume he's now five years older. Also take a look at Rose's baby..he's not a baby anymore, he doesn't look 5 or 6 but hes at least a couple years old now.



and about Envy turning into a serpent: I believe that he turned into a serpent representing the one in the Ouroboros. It seems much more valid than a claim that Square had something to do with this, especially since the Ouroboros was believed to have had ties with alchemy; whereas Square obviously wasn't a big player in the world of alchemy. Also the fact that there are many depictions of serpents that are similar to the one in FF7, that's not an uncommon serpent and I'm pretty sure the creators of the Leviathan in ff7 just got the idea from one of those common depicitions. It would also make more sense that Envy represented the Ouroboros in the end because it could symbolize how he would be lost in the gate for eternity, forever looking for his father.

dreamless well, I also think there's no time travel, so Ed spent 5 years in our world, while Al training. that makes the very last scene even better, two brothers separated in two worlds and by 5 years of time, yet still they think and act alike, I guess that shows the bounds between the brothers. However that means Ed will be 22-23 in the movie instead of 18?



For SquareEnix, well, SquareEnix doesn't have anything to do with alchemy, but SquareEnix has a lot to do with the FMA anime ;)

Ed Elric Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it Chopin Etude - Opus 10 No. 3 NOT 4 that was played?

Zicky-Chan about this guy Karl Ernst Haushofer, he was in the nazi project to conquer the world, funny thing that he lived in japan about two years, a couple post back there someone says that ed's father could be a spy, i bet my lunch he do. and about the society of thule once again they are right...the flag in the building with sword in it. look for yourself http://libreopinion.com/members/neuschwabenland/Thule.gif

as far as i know it was an esoteric group and hitler was part.....and once again i was thinking about the templarie order (i hope i write it right) .



about al's memory's, i agree that for what al says "i maybe died back there" he is right...barry the choper say it. and for the last one i think envy is trapped inside the gate because he cant perform alchemy so he cant open the gate...but there are people who can still open it (in the movie of course) and you know im talking about al.

Makoto-san Yeah quite right, Op.10 No.3 and not 4, my bad.

-|(aGe-BuNsHiN- For Al and Winry romance idea, well, don't dump it too easily yet, if the FMA movie indeed happens 7 years after Al's epilogue scene, that means Al will be 17 year old and Winry 22 years old, and it will be perfectly okay for them to develop a relationship then :p (I'm still in shock that Winry can have a body competing Izumi's at only 15 year old... I can't wait to see how she will look like when she' 22 :heh: )





ummm if you didnt hear this yet



the movie takes 2 (two, dos, ni, dool) years after the ending of the anime....so that would mean a 12 year old Al with a 17 year old Winry....I still wish Ed to get Winry....just doesnt seem right with Al. It kind of looks like the younger brother stealing the older brother's girl while hes away and dat is very messed up.

Joe Dalton While normaly at the end of such an amazing show I feel depressed, this time is different. It just made me damned hyper and happy to see it ended so well.

I am looking forward to the movie.

dreamless ummm if you didnt hear this yet



the movie takes 2 (two, dos, ni, dool) years after the ending of the anime....so that would mean a 12 year old Al with a 17 year old Winry....I still wish Ed to get Winry....just doesnt seem right with Al. It kind of looks like the younger brother stealing the older brother's girl while hes away and dat is very messed up.

umm that is if you think Ed time travelled... else 2 years after the ending on Ed's side (this movie seems like it's mainly about Ed from the official site) means 7 years after the ending on Al's side.



if she did that, would she be able to perform alchemy while in the homunculus' body?

Now I think more about it, the answer should be yes. sure Homunculus can't perform alchemy, but nor does a suit of armor. Al can perform alchemy even though his soul is affixed onto a suit of armor. Hohenheim said that people perform alchemy by opening the gate inside them, obviously a suit of armor shouldn't have any gate inside it, so the gate is most likely inside the soul. So if Dante affixing her soul onto a homunculus, I think she should be able to perform alchemy...

Mirai You guys are all wrong.. Here are my predictions :



1) After going through the gate, Envy turns into a dragon, distrubuting 7 spherical golden balls, lets call them dragon balls just to make it easy. These balls are thrown around the planet, and Ed will begin a quest to find all 7, to make his wish to meet his brother come true.



2) While performing the transmutation, Ed casts his soul into the body of Rose's child. When Ed grows up, his old memory of his love for Rose comes back, and a dramatic saga of romance begins. Will Rose give in to her long lost feelings for Ed, or will she live in torment, knowing she cannot persue a relationship with her own son. Join us, next season for the second season of FMA, "Full Love Alchemist", in a romantic, dramatic, yet hillarious adventure full of incest, pedophilia, and all sorts of bad things that anime is known for.



3) After mastering the ability of Gate Jumping, the young scientist Edward Elric develops a technique to discover new lands. Follow Edward on this sci-fi adventure which will take you out of this world! Making use of an ancient relic of Egypt, He discovers a new world, yet is trapped when the gate becomes stuck! Will Edward be able to get home in time for school, or will he always be stuck on the other side of this "Stargate"?

Scrumhalf You guys are all wrong.. Here are my predictions :



1) After going through the gate, Envy turns into a dragon, distrubuting 7 spherical golden balls, lets call them dragon balls just to make it easy. These balls are thrown around the planet, and Ed will begin a quest to find all 7, to make his wish to meet his brother come true.



2) While performing the transmutation, Ed casts his soul into the body of Rose's child. When Ed grows up, his old memory of his love for Rose comes back, and a dramatic saga of romance begins. Will Rose give in to her long lost feelings for Ed, or will she live in torment, knowing she cannot persue a relationship with her own son. Join us, next season for the second season of FMA, "Full Love Alchemist", in a romantic, dramatic, yet hillarious adventure full of incest, pedophilia, and all sorts of bad things that anime is known for.



3) After mastering the ability of Gate Jumping, the young scientist Edward Elric develops a technique to discover new lands. Follow Edward on this sci-fi adventure which will take you out of this world! Making use of an ancient relic of Egypt, He discovers a new world, yet is trapped when the gate becomes stuck! Will Edward be able to get home in time for school, or will he always be stuck on the other side of this "Stargate"?



I'll give you a http://www.wingfieldfans.org/peter/images/stellart.jpg for those predictions. :p

SkyKid :topicoff:



im guessin the fma movi will be abt ED and Al gettin back together...??

sanguinivore im pissed that



roy didnt die. damnit! not that i dont like him, he was the best. but aiiiee it was just so soppy rarararrr.... it would have been nice if he died, avenging his best friend. die riza die (insert fanboys scream)



i supposed there was no point to use spoiler tags...

animAx yes its DONE! it was a beautiful ending !!



Now we have to wait for the MOVIE ! :)

zhoos Okay now about time...



in 1910 (episode one) Ed was 11 years old, Al was 10 years old. It's in this time period where Al was sucked into the gate.



In the start of their journey to Lior, Ed was 15, and Al was 14. Which means the year is 1914. Time has passed during this time, and we don't know how much because the timeline was never shown from then.



When Ed went to London for the first time, it was during London's Zeppelin's raids. The raids were major, so the time should be 1915. The major air raids that took place in London was Jan to Sept 1915. 1915 should be roughly about the same year in the Alchemy world, giving and taking the fact that time has passed for many many episodes. Thus the time frames are exactly the same.



At the end of the anime, we see Ed and Hoheheim in Munich 1921, which means that a total of 6 years passed. Which means that Ed should be 22 years old, and Al should be 21. But since Al had a time lapse (his body was in the gate and caused him to stay 10 years old), he should be 16 years old.



But funny thing is that, Ed, being 22 years old, is STILL SO SHORT!



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Another thing I was theorizing about, was the Armored Al was most probably a clone of Ed's memories, and the real Al was lost in the gate. Exactly what Armored Barry said about how soul transmutation took place. It's all based on what memories you have of the other person, and what you put in them - a notion that was agreed by Shou Tucker. Like what Dante said, "the link between the mind, body, and soul" would have been broken while in the gate. Exactly what happened to Human Al. When Armored Al sacrificed his life and stone to ressurect Ed, Ed sacrificed his life to bring back Al - but I guess he brought back the Human Al, instead of the Cloned Armored Al.



Which would you prefer?

Mcdonalds As some people have stated, they believe Al looked older than, do you think the translation should be HE was acting like a 10 year old rather than he looked/was a ten year old?

kujoe So I finally saw this episode. Hmmm. It was certainly good but personally, it wasn't all that great as some people praise it to be.



First of all, I'm not really complaining that this episode wasn't dark enough or that it was too happy to begin with. I certainly wouldn't like this series to end with a killing spree just for the sake of having one. :rolleyes: After all, are we to forget the deaths of characters such as Hughes simply because they weren't featured in the last episode?



Moreover, I do realize that there's still a movie to supplement the ending of the series. Remember Wolf's Rain OVA? Who knows? Maybe the movie will pull off a BONES here and kill a few characters..? Actually, I hope not--since BONES seems to have a recurring pattern with regard to how they end their stories. Protoman actually has a point with his "reset" or "a brand new world" scenario. Even in FMA, there's an underlying motif of being "reset"--especially with regard to Al's character in the end.



Anyway, I guess the right word to describe my reaction to this episode would be, "satisfied."



Now, for some short comments:



the GOOD:



- Roy and Riza. That's all I'm going to say. Heh.

- No long-winded "OMG" fight scene. Interestingly, this episode ended more peacefully or dramatically.

- It wasn't the cliffhanger I thought it would be.



the BAD:



- I still don't get this thing with the Gate and all. Either the explanation was lacking or I'm just missing something. Methinks it's because of the latter...or perhaps a little bit of both.

- I agree with dreamless with this one: How the hell was Hawkeye able to kill Archer with a few gunshots when an entire group of soldiers and an experienced alchemist utterly failed in doing so? Her shots didn't even hit his head. I guess their strategy was to weaken Archer through cannon fodder. :uhoh:

- And finally...waiting for the movie.



Yup. That's all.

BetoJR :twitch: She shot only one time... and this bullet hit exactly the head... at least thats what I saw.

Dude, you obviously weren't paying much attention, were you? :heh:

qabalabard lol. she shot archer in the body multiple times.

-kevin

Akichan Keeping in mind I haven't seen the translation...



I just have to say this was an excellent ending. Mind you, I'm not the most fickle person, however, there have been some BAD endings to animes, and this one was pretty damn good. Lots of things were tied up, and BONES demonstrated it's skill to throw so much into twenty minutes of good stuff.



The only thing far-fetched was that Roy didn't die, however being a Roy/Riza supporter, it's perfectly alright. ^^



And yes, LOL Ed is still short for a man, HOWEVER he's much taller then he was. He's about just under Hoenheim's chin, and Hoenheim's pretty tall, so he's not so bean-like anymore.



You know, I don't think he has a prosthetic leg. He gave it up for his mother and his body HAD been restored before he gave his life up for Al. However, to bring Al back, he gave up his life and an extra arm it seems. And he didn't have the arrays on his legs...(or else he'd be totally naked :heh: )



YES the wait for the movie will be unbearable! I hope it comes out soon enough. ;)



Akichan :)

Pai You know, I don't think he has a prosthetic leg. He gave it up for his mother and his body HAD been restored before he gave his life up for Al. However, to bring Al back, he gave up his life and an extra arm it seems. And he didn't have the arrays on his legs...(or else he'd be totally naked :heh: )

You're right!! He didn't have the arrays on his legs!

So he has "only" a prosthetic arm...

GryphonZ You guys are all wrong.. Here are my predictions :



1) After going through the gate, Envy turns into a dragon, distrubuting 7 spherical golden balls, lets call them dragon balls just to make it easy. These balls are thrown around the planet, and Ed will begin a quest to find all 7, to make his wish to meet his brother come true.



2) While performing the transmutation, Ed casts his soul into the body of Rose's child. When Ed grows up, his old memory of his love for Rose comes back, and a dramatic saga of romance begins. Will Rose give in to her long lost feelings for Ed, or will she live in torment, knowing she cannot persue a relationship with her own son. Join us, next season for the second season of FMA, "Full Love Alchemist", in a romantic, dramatic, yet hillarious adventure full of incest, pedophilia, and all sorts of bad things that anime is known for.



3) After mastering the ability of Gate Jumping, the young scientist Edward Elric develops a technique to discover new lands. Follow Edward on this sci-fi adventure which will take you out of this world! Making use of an ancient relic of Egypt, He discovers a new world, yet is trapped when the gate becomes stuck! Will Edward be able to get home in time for school, or will he always be stuck on the other side of this "Stargate"?



Rotf lol , I like first prediction :love:

IMSabbel You guys are all wrong.. Here are my predictions :



1) After going through the gate, Envy turns into a dragon, distrubuting 7 spherical golden balls, lets call them dragon balls just to make it easy. These balls are thrown around the planet, and Ed will begin a quest to find all 7, to make his wish to meet his brother come true.



2) While performing the transmutation, Ed casts his soul into the body of Rose's child. When Ed grows up, his old memory of his love for Rose comes back, and a dramatic saga of romance begins. Will Rose give in to her long lost feelings for Ed, or will she live in torment, knowing she cannot persue a relationship with her own son. Join us, next season for the second season of FMA, "Full Love Alchemist", in a romantic, dramatic, yet hillarious adventure full of incest, pedophilia, and all sorts of bad things that anime is known for.



3) After mastering the ability of Gate Jumping, the young scientist Edward Elric develops a technique to discover new lands. Follow Edward on this sci-fi adventure which will take you out of this world! Making use of an ancient relic of Egypt, He discovers a new world, yet is trapped when the gate becomes stuck! Will Edward be able to get home in time for school, or will he always be stuck on the other side of this "Stargate"?



Hey, im generally pissed. Had a fucking week and a worse day.....

But your post made me smile the first time in a few days...

Especially number 2, the last sentence. :D

Does anyone want to make a doujinshi?

Carrackus Okay now about time...



in 1910 (episode one) Ed was 11 years old, Al was 10 years old. It's in this time period where Al was sucked into the gate.



In the start of their journey to Lior, Ed was 15, and Al was 14. Which means the year is 1914. Time has passed during this time, and we don't know how much because the timeline was never shown from then.



When Ed went to London for the first time, it was during London's Zeppelin's raids. The raids were major, so the time should be 1915. The major air raids that took place in London was Jan to Sept 1915. 1915 should be roughly about the same year in the Alchemy world, giving and taking the fact that time has passed for many many episodes. Thus the time frames are exactly the same.



At the end of the anime, we see Ed and Hoheheim in Munich 1921, which means that a total of 6 years passed. Which means that Ed should be 22 years old, and Al should be 21. But since Al had a time lapse (his body was in the gate and caused him to stay 10 years old), he should be 16 years old.



But funny thing is that, Ed, being 22 years old, is STILL SO SHORT!











By the time he makes it to London for the first time Ed is 16 and the year is !916. Remember at the beginning of the series Ed was 15 but had that birthday in Central City (16).



So Ed is 21 and Al is 15 at the end of the series.



It is funny that he is short though. i think he actually grew a foot though. :p



By the way i do think that Envy would end up being Loch Ness Monster. Wasn't it around this time that Ness was sited?

HoBoZ By the way i do think that Envy would end up being Loch Ness Monster. Wasn't it around this time that Ness was sited?



i think thats stretching it a little....



i hardly doubt he'd stay in that form....

Oneiropolos By the way i do think that Envy would end up being Loch Ness Monster. Wasn't it around this time that Ness was sited?



Actually, one of the first records of the Loch Ness Monster was by St. Columba in the 500s. So, not quite. ;)

Chara Actually, one of the first records of the Loch Ness Monster was by St. Columba in the 500s. So, not quite. ;)



The green reptile could have been a refrence to the Uroborus tattoo. But I think it's most likely to represent the Green Dragon. Professor Haushofer is said to be a member of many cults including the Thule Society and a Japanese clan called the Green Dragon who promised to commit suicide if they were ever dishonored. And after Haushofer killed his wife he did commit suicide the traditional Japanese way.



Dunno if it was mentioned earlier, but Haushofer was the guy that helped make it possible for Japan and Germany to become allies in WWII. Many of the meetings between both contries political leaders were heald at his house.

OFFSPRiNGCo16 I thought the ending was pretty good. I can't wait for the movie so we can finish the story.

Also, in response to all of your predictions about what will occur in the movie, I think that you should all look at it from a logical approach. (As many of you did) I am pretty sure the plot is going to be based around Ed's and/or Al's struggle to be able to see each other again and the troubles they face along the way. I also think its safe to assume that The Thule Society and things/groups that grew out of it will be a part of the story. Someone also mentioned that Hohenheim might be an English Spy. I think thats possible. Envy will also most probably have some sort of role in the plot of the movie. (Yeah I know I kind of just spit back a lot of stuff people said but w/e. :p)

kujoe By the time he makes it to London for the first time Ed is 16 and the year is !916. Remember at the beginning of the series Ed was 15 but had that birthday in Central City (16).



So Ed is 21 and Al is 15 at the end of the series.



It is funny that he is short though. i think he actually grew a foot though. :p

I was wondering. (I guess I missed this as usual... :eyebrow: ) Does the anime explicitly say that Ed spent 5 (6?) years on the other side of the gate after restoring Al? It also could be possible that Ed only arrived again years after the first time he's been through, right? Hmmm. Then again, he does seem to have spent a considerable amount of time in the "real" world to have understood the way it works.

Choogy Goodbye FMA...I shall be waiting for the movie

Sai'sDisciple Whatever happend to envy just wondering. O and i see that wrath has kinda cooled down. Man the series was ok but i just didnt like how it ended it seemed to fast and it was wierd how archer died. I thought it would take more than that. But whenever you want to end something no matter how good it is you can end it. To put it terms of an essay, the essay was written well or at least the body was written well but the last paragraph or the ending was horribly written.



If anyone begs to differ you can or should.



But i liked it so there's no need for me to complain. :bash:

Lunchboxx I just watched it and something about it was alittle disapointing but I can't really put my finger on it. Its kinda anoying how everything turned out, I think it would of bin better if Al had stayed dead, as well as mustang who took a bullet to the face and somehow just needs an eye patch now?



Now they have it set up for the movie which as far as I can tell doesn't seem like it will be that intersting. I mean its either gonna be about Al trying to learn how to open the gate to bring Ed back, which seems boring cuz we already saw Ed do the whole gate thing. Now if Ed gets back some how I hope it is threw the "magic" and not from technology. Just cuz the whole building a rocked to get threw the gate seems alittle corny. Plus how did ed mangae to build an auto mail in the end, I know someone said that it was just a normal fake hand like we have but he made a fist at the end which Im pretty sure you couldn't do with fake limbs in the 20's.





Is anyone else alittle confused about how Izumi was still alive in the end? I mean its not that I don't like her it just that they were always trying to make it seem like she was on the verge of death and then she ends up being fine threw the whole show. Isn't she without intestines or something?



Well i guess I could put a finger on some of the stuff I didn't like.....Plus Human Al just anoyed me for some reason :p



EDIT: also how come no transmutation circle was required around pride like it was with the other to kill him?

haunterex Plus how did ed mangae to build an auto mail in the end, I know someone said that it was just a normal fake hand like we have but he made a fist at the end which Im pretty sure you couldn't do with fake limbs in the 20's.







he didnt build the auto mail, it was the same automail he had during the final run to hunt down dante.

It is a bit misleading about the functionality of the arm. When Ed was packing, it seems like his automail is dead. However, if the the automail is malfunctioned, he wouldnt be able to hold up the paper he was reading on the train.

Plus, if his automail was disabled after crossing the gate, his leg part should malfunction as well.

I personally think it' just error the animation team made when stressing to finish up the serie.



Also, the final scene of ed holding up his automail to the sky is just a symbol of him. He doesnt have the same metal hand winry made for him anymore, his current automail hand is transmuted by himself after the fight with wrath.





Also, I noticed that the color of the "real" world Ed is in seems to be a bit more plain and dull than the color of the "f