Post by TrueIntent » August 24th, 2017, 9:06 am

AI2.0 wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2017, 8:52 am tribrac wrote: ↑ August 24th, 2017, 8:46 am waialeale wrote: ↑ August 23rd, 2017, 11:13 pm I've met Bruce through family connected with my uncle Leonard Arrington. He is a great teacher and presenter. He told me that the Church actually in fact has a "book of Joseph" that Joseph Smith translated that only general authorities and other trusted individuals are permitted to read. About the lost 116 pages, I have always believed and even received a witness of the Holy Ghost that they existed back east somewhere and would be found someday but I doubt that even if the Church had access to them they would not publish them or even make any announcements because of all the contradictions and PR messes that would ensue. Elder Holland did say once to the effect that "we wish we could teach the members more, but they are not worthy of it." I've met Bruce through family connected with my uncle Leonard Arrington. He is a great teacher and presenter. He told me that the Church actually in fact has a "book of Joseph" that Joseph Smith translated that. About the lost 116 pages, I have always believed and even received a witness of the Holy Ghost that they existed back east somewhere and would be found someday but I doubt that even if the Church had access to them they would not publish them or even make any announcements because of all the contradictions and PR messes that would ensue. Elder Holland did say once to the effect that "." I have always been uneasy with what I call the two church system. The higher church reserved for the GA's and the left overs for the rest of us. This post doesnt help. I have always been uneasy with what I call the two church system. The higher church reserved for the GA's and the left overs for the rest of us. This post doesnt help.

Well, you could do what I do and don't believe it, then you won't be encouraged to think that Church leaders are sharing stuff amongst themselves that the rest of us don't know about, which undermines members' trust in them. To me, this stuff fits in to the Mormon 'Urban Legend' category'. Well, you could do what I do and don't believe it, then you won't be encouraged to think that Church leaders are sharing stuff amongst themselves that the rest of us don't know about, which undermines members' trust in them. To me, this stuff fits in to the Mormon 'Urban Legend' category'.

Heres the problem..it does happen.....I was told by a bishop and stake president that the leadership "has to release information slowly" because the members can't handle it (as of just this year). Referring to the Essays.....this bishop and stake president (who I like, but feel like they were also misguided) told me that the church is a big boat with a little rutter, and they can only move as fast(with revealing things), as the membership, as a whole, are willing to accept. I was told that the church was a vehicle and some members are at the front of the boat, some are at the back, but to stay in the boat. Im okay with that analogy, minus the withholding of information. We should never withhold information or records...positive or negative. I was actually very bothered that we had a seer stone in our archives for all this time, and never published that information until recently. The internet has been out long enough to have all this stuff published. That is actually why the members are freaking out to a degree. We should have had access to some of this information all along. I don't know what is in the archives...but there is a mentality that exist (hopefully not among all the leadership) that members should not have all the information. I hope that we do not espouse this belief throughout the higher ranks. The scriptures teach against this.