ELI HAGER:

Yeah it's not at all normal. You know they're teaching in classrooms with no windows. There's kind of a sadness there. But they are able to do some things to get past that hopelessness — that I was talking about before — that students feel. One thing that tends to work is the students' participation in performance can get reported to their judges and that can be a good motivational tool. Some of the teachers like to give the students lots of choices of which work to do or which periods to study because they have no sense of autonomy in jail otherwise — their bedtime and their meals are chosen for them. Those kinds of things tend to work. But other things really don't work in jail. Like discipline really means nothing. The kids would say like, 'What are you going to do, put me in jail?' and building a relationship can be very difficult because these kids could get sent off at any moment to state prison or could be released at any moment.