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What People Think Fansubbing Is And Why They Are Wrong (and other general information)

It has recently come to our attention here at Commie that Major Drama has occurred in a remote sector of the internets.

Massive textblog ahead.



It’s frankly entertaining to see how at least 90% of the people in that thread have no idea how fansubbing operates, why it can’t be stopped, and generally stupid people in general.

Without further ado:

So, basically… because people ripped the broadcast in Japan (assuming I have any idea how fansubbing works) and then subbed it… Funi has to take down their stream? I mean, I could understand it if the video leaked from them, but it didn’t. As is, I’m wondering why Funi’s been tasked with the impossible over something they had nothing to do with.

No, you see, the video was ripped as soon as it was released to the public, several hours (9 to be exact) before the first speedsub group finished it.

Well, I can only scratch my head like everybody else. Trying to read between the lines, the only thing I can come up with is that the FPC isn’t particularly worried about amateur fansubs, they just want Funi to be more proactive about shutting down rips of the Funi simulcast?

It’s physically impossible to make a video unrippable. If you can see it, you can rip it. No exceptions.

We understand your frustration, but it should be directed towards the speedsub groups that created this problem. Lance Heiskell

Marketing Director

Alright this one is just hilarious. Even more so since it’s from actual staff.

Since the funimation video was ripped first, it:

A: Has the most downloads

B: Is uploaded on the majority of streaming sites

C: Provided the subtitles for the first group that released it (umee)

Sure is speedsub groups creating a problem.

No, it’s Japan’s fault for thinking you can stop the speedsub group based in Sweden who get their RAWs straight from a Japanese uploader.

Okay, seriously. Sweden is now the home of every internet pirate ever? How the hell do you even “base” a group, as each individual member works on their personal computer, in their spare time, all over the world. ALL over the world. I’ve worked with people from USA, Canada, Mexico, Germany, UK, France, Poland, Finland, Sweden, Belgium, Australia, New Zealand, and a whole shitload of other countries. You don’t “base” a group.

While expressing no opinion on the matter whatsoever, do not believe it when fansub/distro groups claim to be based overseas. Less than 10% actually are. Registering an overseas domain or using an overseas server does not make you based overseas, either literally or legally.

lol and 86.25% of statistics are made up, remember?

Pretty sure the speed sub groups won’t give a **** unless someone actually launches a DDoS attack or something that can cripple them and prevent them from uploading future episodes.

Say what? You’re going to DDoS every computer used by

a fansubber? You do realize that the entirety of the fansub can be made and released at a library or similar location? Are you going to DDoS every public institution with internet access as well?

Video or audio quality of it be damned, the show was perfectly watchable on your site. Fansubbers can spew their bullshit excuses related to those two ‘issues’ they often hide behind, but the plain and simple truth is SOMEONE IN THE INDUSTRY IS ALREADY DOING THEIR PROFITLESS JOB.

I mean, at this point, that is the ONLY reason I can imagine people do this. Because THEY are pissed off YOU and others like CR are making money (At least, this is an assumption) or making it OFFICIAL and therefore ‘tainting’ what they hold ‘sacred’ or some other reason they would pull out of their asses.

I do this because it’s fun. Chatting with online friends comes first, subbing whatever’s on the menu comes second.

You mad?

You know what I find hilarious? There are TWO “fansub” groups dedicated to ripping both the video and subtitles of Cruncyroll streams, but it’s Funimation that has to save the world because of this one show.

lol not naming names now are we eh? We’re still fans, and we’re still subbing. The term still stands.

I’m assuming for the sake of logical consistency that the FPC will pull the show from Fuji TV as well until the broadcaster pitches in and helps Funi wipe out all fansubbers/rippers on the Internet, yes?

Now there’s some correct thinking. But yeah, the only way to kill fansubs is to kill anime.

Howabout instead of heaping hate on Funi and Fractale’s creators, why not help out and anyone who knows anything about the speedsubbers send Lance a PM?

I mean, it certainly wouldn’rt hurt, and it would get a lot done. I find it wierd fans are always so quick to shame creators, distributors and publishers in a hateful manner for something beyond their control, but never, ever want to take fansubbers to task. Why don’t we all go after HorribleSubs?

Yes, why don’t you. You’re absolutely the first person to come up with that idea from the several years horriblesubs has been around. Go do it. Get a lot done.

P.S. I don’t think you get what horriblesubs does. Everything they do is a direct rip of the original stream. That’s not called speedsubbing. That’s called ripping.

Everything is know about who subs what. All Lance apparently knows what speed sub group has ruffled the feathers of the FPC. Assuming that Funimation’s Anti-piracy team competent enough to google the name of the group and do a DNS lookup they should have all the legal information anyone here could get.

Congratulations, you have now placed the webmaster of the group in custody, assuming he was retarded enough to use his real information in the domain registry service. Now what are you going to do about the people in the group that do the actual subbing? Fansubs do not revolve around their website.

Take down a few of them, give the others a good scare. Having a few fansubbers go to court would probably help cut down on some things. Given it’s just one show, if FUnimation puts it’s resources into it, I imagine they might pull things off. Keep in mind they’re perpetually getting stuff take offline as it is for *all* their shows, so I’m curious if shifting resources onto just one title might make a difference Anyhoo, I mostly just want fans to stop being shortsighted, stop attacking Funimation and the show’s creators, and go after the real jerks who inspired this mess. Arsenic—- we can’t go after fansubbers, but we can at least place blame on them rather than ranting at Funimation or whinging about all this on ANN’s forums nonstop. And I imagine there’s a handful of people reading this thread who might have info that could be helpful to Funi, so if you’re reading this, send them that info.

I apologize on the behalf of fansubbers that a automatic program managed to rip funimation’s video and release it to the entire internet. It’s all our fault, we did not mean to be jerks and of course we did not wish to cause this “mess”. We’ll take all the blame and die for another’s sins. No not really.

But also, last I checked, they weren’t “releasing” Fractale, since Funi has better security than CR, so going after them in this instance will not help.

Wrong, CR’s security is the best in the simulcasting industry. Source: The guy who leaked oreimo and several other shows.

…and that’s all folks. It would take way too much effort to point out every wrong point in that thread. If anyone has any more questions/concerns/comments feel free to post them.

Bonus Fun Fact: We’ve yet to see a single DMCA/takedown letter. I’ve been wanting one to hang on my wall.

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Update:

FUNimation’s response

Yeah apparently I’m renown enough for people to go around posting with my name. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing, although I gotta say this guy has a point.