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Full MemberActivity: 173Merit: 182 Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 08:38:19 AM #3 Quote from: arbitrage001 on August 15, 2014, 08:27:22 AM We all know all altcoins are pump and dump, this is nothing new.



My question is, how are you benefiting from revealing the "truth"?



Well ya know, CryptoNote is a brand new protocol, and the cryptography is sound. I don't want to remove the focus from that. What I'm blowing the lid on is providing evidence that Bytecoin is definitely not 2 years old as they claim, and that any of the coins that are backed by the CryptoNote developers should be considered unsound and unsafe. The only CryptoNote-based coin that is definitely not in any way associated with their scammy bullshit is Monero, and that's because they took it away from the CryptoNote fuckers. I like the CryptoNote technology/protocol, I fucking hate the scamshit they had along with it. Whether you think Monero is good or not is a separate issue, and that you should make your own mind up.



99% of my holdings are in Bitcoin, and I own a small amount of Monero, so my motivation is not driven by that. My motivation is the same as it was when I blew the lid on Well ya know, CryptoNote is a brand new protocol, and the cryptography is sound. I don't want to remove the focus from that. What I'm blowing the lid on is providing evidence that Bytecoin is definitely not 2 years old as they claim, and that any of the coins that are backed by the CryptoNote developers should be considered unsound and unsafe. The only CryptoNote-based coin that is definitely not in any way associated with their scammy bullshit is Monero, and that's because they took it away from the CryptoNote fuckers. I like the CryptoNote technology/protocol, I fucking hate the scamshit they had along with it. Whether you think Monero is good or not is a separate issue, and that you should make your own mind up.99% of my holdings are in Bitcoin, and I own a small amount of Monero, so my motivation is not driven by that. My motivation is the same as it was when I blew the lid on Radar's scammy-as-fuck Alt Casino Shares . The truth will come out one way or another, I happen to just be the messenger this time around.

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Hero MemberActivity: 598Merit: 501 Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 09:15:56 AM #8 As a Dashcoin developer I can assure you that the things you think about Dashcoin are simply not true. Donations are for community projects, as it's clearly written in our thread. You can see where all the coins go if you read it.

Also, if you think automation is a free process, think again. It's cheaper (I am talking about time, not money), not free.

And the conclusion that we are part of the Bytecoin/Cryptonote team are just nonsense. Give me a probable game theory answer why a member of Bytecoin/Cryptonote will do that project.

From all the coins you mentioned, only FantomCoin seems to be a probable project of Bytecoin/Cryptonote member. But there is also a good change their developer is just a pure genius with no relation to Bytecoin/Cryptonote team.



Dashcoin (anonymous cryptocurrency) - Forknote (create cryptocurrenies easy) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1079306.0 Dashcoin (anonymous cryptocurrency) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020627.0

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Full MemberActivity: 173Merit: 182 Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 09:46:18 AM #10 Quote from: slb on August 15, 2014, 09:15:56 AM As a Dashcoin developer I can assure you that the things you think about Dashcoin are simply not true. Donations are for community projects, as it's clearly written in our thread. You can see where all the coins go if you read it.

Also, if you think automation is a free process, think again. It's cheaper (I am talking about time, not money), not free.

And the conclusion that we are part of the Bytecoin/Cryptonote team are just nonsense. Give me a probable game theory answer why a member of Bytecoin/Cryptonote will do that project.

From all the coins you mentioned, only FantomCoin seems to be a probable project of Bytecoin/Cryptonote member. But there is also a good change their developer is just a pure genius with no relation to Bytecoin/Cryptonote team.



lol are you fucking serious?



https://github.com/dashcoin/dashcoin/compare/amjuarez:master...master



The changes are bullshit and can mostly be auto-merged, you fucking cretin. Or even better:



Code: git clone https://github.com/dashcoin/dashcoin.git

cd dashcoin

git remote add upstream https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin.git

git fetch upstream

git rebase upstream/master



But you can't do that, because you've been merging manually, because you're a retarded fuckface that is part of the Bytecoin/CryptoNote crew.



We're not as stupid as you imagine we are, scammer. lol are you fucking serious?The changes are bullshit and can mostly be auto-merged, you fucking cretin. Or even better:But you can't do that, because you've been merging manually, because you're a retarded fuckface that is part of the Bytecoin/CryptoNote crew.We're not as stupid as you imagine we are, scammer.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 373Merit: 250 Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 09:53:56 AM #12 Now this is personal, moron.



Calling me a shill is like calling you XMR shill. I can compile the same text mentioning you and Monero. What would I put in this text?



- Monero stole ("forking" lol) the tech they don't even understand away from TFT and now pretending that this is absolutely legitimate

- Unbelievably silly updates were so often that XMR had to switch to GUI to stop breaking the protocol

- Instamining, with Monero fast miner available to a few lucky individuals benefiting from it for weeks

- Monero botnets that have been ripping regular users off since the very launch

- I can name countless Monero accounts that are mere shills and can even indicate the strategic priorities that they have and instructions in case something goes wrong (although I'm still not sure if you're a shill which is most likely however)

- It would be fun to show for instance that Monero has very little actual community and the trades are likely to be fueled by botnets and fake trades

- Until recently Monero was stealing each and every Bytecoin's update and then posted on numerous occasions that it was actually Bytecoin who plagiarized the code (that's unbelievable)

- Plagiarizing CryptoNote developer's code in the XMR repository

- Fake press releases "signed" by the US federal government (and the claims that Monero doesn't do any PR except for the team mentioned hiring a couple of PR agencies just a week before that)



I can go on and on. Would you like the proof links or did you get my message? There's a ton of bullshit that anyone can make up or find "evidence" for.



I have always praised Monero team for doing extremely good at PR. However, this one is way too insane to be even looking legitimate. It's good to know that XMR is that desperate they have to write megabytes of nonsense text instead of working on their currency.

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Hero MemberActivity: 686Merit: 500always the student, never the master. Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 09:59:17 AM #14



Quote from: Eastwind on August 15, 2014, 09:51:31 AM Quote from: r3wt on August 15, 2014, 09:38:36 AM I'll also add that the mining algorithms are exploitable in Cryptonote based coins.



Can you elaborate that?

Can you elaborate that?

I had a discussion with an exchange owner in which we were marveling at the crude mechanism of the mining algorithm. This person asserted that some small changes could be made to make to the client to make it advantageous for a gpu. I mean, some of it was over my head but its probably blatantly obvious for anyone who knows their stuff. What can we say of this "smooth" charachter. The postings of this account were dead for an extended period of time then suddenly it begins posting again. I'm thinking its possibly a purchased accountI had a discussion with an exchange owner in which we were marveling at the crude mechanism of the mining algorithm. This person asserted that some small changes could be made to make to the client to make it advantageous for a gpu. I mean, some of it was over my head but its probably blatantly obvious for anyone who knows their stuff. My negative trust rating is reflective of a personal vendetta by someone on default trust.

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Last edit: August 15, 2014, 10:22:18 AM by smooth #16 Quote from: Rias on August 15, 2014, 09:53:56 AM - Plagiarizing CryptoNote developer's code in the XMR repository



You're likely wrong about every single one of your accusations against Monero (I didn't take the time to go through them all) but this one is probably the most silly since everyone can verify that every single file in the Monero github has a Cryptonote copyright notice (don't shoot me if one or two are missing).



Quote pla·gia·rize

ˈplājəˌrīz/

verb

take (the work or an idea of someone else) and pass it off as one's own



Nothing is being passed off here. Everyone knows that Monero is a cryptonote fork, and apparently cryptonote is in favor of forks. They even provide their own automated tool to create a cryptonote fork:



So I have no idea who the hell you or what your agenda might be but accusing Monero of plagiarism of the cryptonote code is way off base.



It is also false with respect to any bug fixes that have been merged from upstream (or elsewhere). They have been credited as far as I know. If you know of a case where that did not happen let me know and I will have it fixed.

You're likely wrong about every single one of your accusations against Monero (I didn't take the time to go through them all) but this one is probably the most silly since everyone can verify that every single file in the Monero github has a Cryptonote copyright notice (don't shoot me if one or two are missing).Nothing is being passed off here. Everyone knows that Monero is a cryptonote fork, and apparently cryptonote is in favor of forks. They even provide their own automated tool to create a cryptonote fork: https://cryptonotestarter.org/ So I have no idea who the hell you or what your agenda might be but accusing Monero of plagiarism of the cryptonote code isoff base.It is also false with respect to any bug fixes that have been merged from upstream (or elsewhere). They have been credited as far as I know. If you know of a case where that did not happen let me know and I will have it fixed.

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Full MemberActivity: 133Merit: 100 Re: Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote / Bytecoin scam August 15, 2014, 10:06:45 AM #17 Maybe you should add the "[CryptoNote] A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency" thread as part of the "scam".



Monero had gained a lot of attention but because the mysterious devs didn't manage to financially gain from Monero's rise, they attempted to do a "scorched earth" approach to create a bunch of useless coins to dilute the CryptoNote "brand", trying to eliminate the network effect of Monero. But that didn't exactly go as planned either. They thought that if they couldn't have fame and fortune then no other CN coins should too.