PlasmaTorch said: You think swearing adds any force to your lackluster arguments? Calm down and stop trying to ram your conclusion through with sheer cinematic force. I don't much care about your hateboner for wehraboos (?), or how you seem to have misconstrued germanys capabilitys in WW2.



You haven't made an actual argument for why the americans would win, you just puffed yourself into a furor about how crappy you imagine the wehrmacht was, and how the conflict will just be 'bing, bang, boom!' So again, put down the can of mountain dew and write something that makes more sense.







The germans did not cave in to this pressure as fast as the western allys thought: Surprising, considering their lack of secrecy at the strategic level. Eisenhower was aware of most of their plans through ULTRA, but that still didn't prevent his forces from being repeatedly beaten at the tactical level during normandy and beyond.



Do you have any source on the germans tanks having brittle armor? I've heard about it before, but it seems to have been the exception rather than the rule. BTW, russian tanks also suffered from brittle armor that would violently spall when hit (but not pierced).







No one said they were invincible, so calm down and stop being so damn hyper. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

By 1944, the heers quality had dropped substantially since 1941, but they still possessed higher fighting power than the americans (and this was doubly true for the russians). The main problem affecting the germans was a shortage of fuel which only got worse through the year, when the americans started intensive bombing of their oil infrastructure. This forced the heer to be more conservative in its use of fuel (taking shorter and more dangerous routes, which led to some formations being caught in disasterous air attacks), and forced the luftwaffe to reduce the number of hours training new pilots. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Hellfire missiles probably won't be useful at their maximum range, and the apache helicopters need to be careful when navigating a battlefield full of anti-aircraft guns. They'll be useful in combined arms battles, but you can't really expect them to achieve much on their own (especially in those deep penetration raids the americans are fond of). Abrams tanks are a more difficult proposition, but they can still be dealt with in the manner I suggest before. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Wank wank and more wank. The germans have all the things you mentioned, they are just more crude and available in smaller numbers. Stop trying to oversell the tech advantage. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Stop speaking nonsense, of course there are counters to NVG. You're acting like a fanboy. Americans are well supplied with night devices, but this applys mostly to their spearhead. Support troops were much more sparsely equipped, and would still rely on starshell. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Tone trolling aside, just what? The German army circa 1944 was met with crushing defeat on basically all fronts. It was a year spent retreating across the entire continent. After the summer of that year the German army would basically suffer a defeat they could never recover from due to the catastrophic losses in France and Eastern Europe. Whole army groups essentially vanished in operations like Dragoon and Bagration as the Allies closed in from all sides. The cream of the German army had already been lost in the east and had been bled in Italy and in North Africa. The Hitler Jugend was being pushed into military service in large numbers because of how much manpower Germany had already lost and because of its moronic labor policies regarding women meant that it couldn't free up as much men as it wanted to for soldiering duties (but of course there's always the slave labor!), and German manpower had been cut to the bone. After the German army's severe defeats in the summer it basically had no reserves left; leading to a massive and very dramatic collapse throughout the remainder of the year as the allies very quickly advanced to the borders of the reich itself."Beaten at the tactical level", what does this mean? The Germans lost the battle for the Bocage and got the shit kicked out of them in Dragoon. Individual tanks/tank destroyers or small tank or tank destroyer units and Panzerfaust/schreck/anti tank gun teams managed to preform rather well; but they were literally in the best terrain for the job. Easily predicted corridors and paths with lots of concealment meant that the defender would have a massive advantage in any engagements that occured there. But the thing is that ultimately; Germany lost Operation Overlord. The Germans suffered much greater manpower losses than the Allies (about twice as much) and while the Allies suffered more materiel losses (again, due to the Bocage being literally the best terrain to defend and the Allies having far more materiel) they could easily replace the lost planes and tanks. Germany could not replace the four to five hundred thousand men captured or killed anywhere near as easily. Archive Awareness : German Steel vs. Soviet Steel Germany was always overly fond of hardened steel, but this really became a problem later in the war when the proper materials for the alloys in good armour grade steel became increasingly hard to come by. By 1944 and 1945 Steel making was in such a bad way in Germany that the effective frontal armor of the Panther could vary by as much as a factor of two (also not helped by how German industry was essentially artisan; they had not mastered assembly line manufacture so basically every tank would have its own little modifications that made for bad quality control and bad logistics). And the Tiger II while rarely ever penetrated (frontally anyway; the sides and rear were no better than the Tiger I); would tend to kill the crew by spalling from non-penetrating hits; particularly from high explosive shells. By this point in the war, Soviet and American steel was of good enough quality to rarely produce lethal spalling and generally speaking the crew of a Soviet, American, or British tank would be more likely to survive than their counterparts in Panthers or Tigers.I'm sorry but this is just completely at odds with what actually happened. Not only did the Western Allies crush Germany in France; but they also inflicted generally lopsided casualties in terms of manpower to the Germans. The 'inferior" Soviet army basically chased the Germans completely out of Eastern Europe and the Balkans and removed from Germany most of its allies and destroyed many of its best and most experienced combat formations as well as massive amounts of materiel it couldn't afford to replace while generally taking about the losses you'd expect of an army on the offensive against a peer opponent and in some battles they actually inflicted pretty lopsided casualties of their own despite the increasing desperate fantatcism of the German defense. And man if you think the infrastructure was a mess after Harris had his run; wait until uninterceptible B-1B lancers and B-52s and B-2s flying high above any possible retaliation pulverize things like the ball bearing factories that Germany needed to keep running to produce basically any of its war machines. Because Schwarzkopf and co are from the future they are privy to basically everything about the German industrial machine and its weak links like synthetic fuel plants and ball bearing factories.The luftwaffe is a complete non-factor here; it will be eliminated as quickly as the F-15s, 14s, 16s and 18s can find them and there's nothing they can do to defend themselves. Within days the Americans have complete control of the skies and the luftwaffe is reduced to the paper airplane delivery service.Because they are categorically outmatched in every field of battle.If actual SAMs and much more modern AAA could not defend themselves very well against AH-64s sneaking up on them; what makes you think that flak cannons lacking proximity fused shells (which made Allied anti-air far more effective) are going to be posing much of a problem? And the Americans aren't the Lizards from worldwar; they're not hidebound ultraconservatives who haven't fought a war in ten thousand years, they've got experience and very ruthlessly competent commanders. They already have experience in keeping Helicopters going in the face of extremely heavy anti-aircraft defenses (Vietnam); they'll be able to keep their whirlybirds going. The Germans would be lucky to take out even a /few/ Abrams tanks through being immensely clever. They cannot hope to stop /thousands/ of them and America can make plenty more where those came from even at peacetime manufacturing rates. They cannot hope to try and defeat the American armored corps by attrition; they simply can't kill the Abrams fast enough if the Americans are being even modestly competent.The STG-44 was available in such small numbers that the Americans in the second world war didn't even really bother with a counter. The Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck are of essentially no threat to the American tanks and can only really be used to threaten Bradleys, Humvees and other similar light vehicles. However America has literally decades of experience when it comes to designing defenses against RPGs; they aren't a new danger to them and have countermeasures in place (like the old counter of infantry clearing a path for the light vehicles and digging out anti-tank troopers). Meanwhile American RPGs are going to pulverize even the best German vehicles with ease and the idea of a man-portable ATGM or MANPAD is not even conceptual in this period of time. The Germans won't even believe how badly their radio communication networks will be Electronic Warfare'd (and HARM'd) to complete shit by the Americans.The Wehrmacht is not an insurgent force; it's going to be meeting the frontline combat troops and it's not going to have much of a chance to try and ambush the rear echelon troops; especially not at night as German military doctrine is literally decades behind their American counterparts and not when America is going to be constantly on the offensive and making huge gains continually while Germany's horse drawn logistics are struggling to keep their retreats going fast enough to prevent the encirclement and destruction of large formations. Meanwhile NVD equipped vehicles and soldiers will be able to keep on pressing the offensives against the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS at all times of day. This is going to be nothing short of ruinous to their morale as they never get a chance to sleep or rest as the Americans own the night.