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Last edit: May 14, 2014, 05:07:36 AM by stormia #1581 Quote from: negamus on May 14, 2014, 04:35:20 AM Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 04:02:25 AM Quote from: negamus on May 14, 2014, 03:59:44 AM Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 03:08:49 AM Quote from: negamus on May 14, 2014, 03:00:30 AM Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 02:29:57 AM Quote from: Zackgeno96 on May 14, 2014, 02:20:18 AM Quote from: Razkin on May 14, 2014, 01:55:33 AM

I'm confused where is the massive dump after that manipulative wall went away

only idiots will dump coin kite in 2.5 weeks bitches!





+1 thanks for addressing the content of my post and not attacking me personally! I love how nobody includes my post when they quote me so that it can be deleted later and erased from the public eye (why is it so threatening if it is all so untrue?).



But still, you have to pay a monthly fee to get rid of fees? And this doesn't address any of the other issues brought up about coinkite by the people I quoted and people I didn't quote (centralization, bribery, the sparse number of merchant they have, the fact that analogous services will arise soon enough and will likely provide their services for cheaper or free). Why did all these other (larger, wealthier, more established) coin communities decide against it?



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+1 thanks for addressing the content of my post and not attacking me personally! I love how nobody includes my post when they quote me so that it can be deleted later and erased from the public eye (why is it so threatening if it is all so untrue?).But still, you have to pay a monthly fee to get rid of fees? And this doesn't address any of the other issues brought up about coinkite by the people I quoted and people I didn't quote (centralization, bribery, the sparse number of merchant they have, the fact that analogous services will arise soon enough and will likely provide their services for cheaper or free). Why did all these other (larger, wealthier, more established) coin communities decide against it?STARTERFREE1% on Withdrawals1% on POS Sales2 sub-accountsMax funds ฿5 / Ł100No withdrawal limitsFREE depositsNo Miner's FeesUp to 1 Payment TerminalExchange markup share: 50%

I deleted your quote b/c there was a request on the first page not to quote walls of text. There's no point in have 3 pages with 5 replies. Anything to do with merchants comes with a fee, even coinpayments.net has a .5% fee + tx. Yes the fees are less but it is also an online payment system that wouldn't work in a b&m store, whereas coinkite has a physical terminal system. Short of using wallet to wallet transfer, you will not find a payment gateway that is free with 0 fee charges that offers balance sheets, etc that is needed for a reputable business. You know what they say, if its too good to be true . . . Coinbase, Bitpay, Bitcoin terminals and atms are all centralized now. Do you think overstock or tigerdirect would do business with coinbase or bitpay if they were not centralized, you really think tigerdirect is going to accept bitcoins, then head over to localbitcoins to exchange them for fiat? I agree coinkite has sparse merchants, kind of like bitcoins atms are sparse. They're both fairly new. Given time, they may get more merchants, I'm not saying they'll be the next bitpay, maybe they will, maybe they won't. So just because of the name, you're agreeing with other people saying coinkite is a fraud . . .

I deleted your quote b/c there was a request on the first page not to quote walls of text. There's no point in have 3 pages with 5 replies. Anything to do with merchants comes with a fee, even coinpayments.net has a .5% fee + tx. Yes the fees are less but it is also an online payment system that wouldn't work in a b&m store, whereas coinkite has a physical terminal system. Short of using wallet to wallet transfer, you will not find a payment gateway that is free with 0 fee charges that offers balance sheets, etc that is needed for a reputable business. You know what they say, if its too good to be true . . . Coinbase, Bitpay, Bitcoin terminals and atms are all centralized now. Do you think overstock or tigerdirect would do business with coinbase or bitpay if they were not centralized, you really think tigerdirect is going to accept bitcoins, then head over to localbitcoins to exchange them for fiat? I agree coinkite has sparse merchants, kind of like bitcoins atms are sparse. They're both fairly new. Given time, they may get more merchants, I'm not saying they'll be the next bitpay, maybe they will, maybe they won't. So just because of the name, you're agreeing with other people saying coinkite is a fraud . . .

+1. I never said they were a fraud, that was just one of the quotes I had in my post from somebody else. My major issues are the ones I reiterated above (centralization, bribery, the sparse number of merchant they have, the fact that analogous services will arise soon enough and will likely provide their services for cheaper or free) and the fees.

+1. I never said they were a fraud, that was just one of the quotes I had in my post from somebody else. My major issues are the ones I reiterated above (centralization, bribery, the sparse number of merchant they have, the fact that analogous services will arise soon enough and will likely provide their services for cheaper or free) and the fees.

The only thing I see about fraud from your post was about the name, cheque kiting, coinkite. For that person to claim fraud just because of the name is far fetched. I've answered your issues about centralization and sparse merchants. The other quotes have been discredited by the pricing faq. Now, about fees, the point being UNTIL those analogous services arise. By then coinkite fees and services may be cheaper as well. Remember those $400+ 300 kh/s btc usb miners or those $30k-40k asics 10 Gh/s btc miners. High prices until analogous products arose. That's just business, any business. And as far as bribery, I'm just going to answer that with, go ask coinbase or bitpay to add mint/gridcoin/peercoin on their payment system.

The only thing I see about fraud from your post was about the name, cheque kiting, coinkite. For that person to claim fraud just because of the name is far fetched. I've answered your issues about centralization and sparse merchants. The other quotes have been discredited by the pricing faq. Now, about fees, the point being UNTIL those analogous services arise. By then coinkite fees and services may be cheaper as well. Remember those $400+ 300 kh/s btc usb miners or those $30k-40k asics 10 Gh/s btc miners. High prices until analogous products arose. That's just business, any business. And as far as bribery, I'm just going to answer that with, go ask coinbase or bitpay to add mint/gridcoin/peercoin on their payment system.

I agree, to a point. Once again, I never said I thought it was a fraud and that quote was part of a reddit string which contained it and many other quotes and is more so just to show the sentiment expressed by other coin communities towards coinkite. But, in light of everything you just said, it just makes it harder to understand why thousands of people from other coin communities decided this opportunity was not worthwhile. That's where this stems from. If it is a totally great deal like you are making it out to be, than why didn't other coins go through with it? The fact that Dogecoin, Peercoin, Mastercoin, etc did not jump on it in an instant is a red flag to me and I am still trying to rationalize that. They could have very easily raised the money but they consciously chose not to and openly opposed it.



Dogecoin, Mastercoin, and Peercoin communities have plenty of business-savvy people in them who I would think would recognize a good investment when they saw one and they have plenty of wealthy members who would be willing to fork over money for a good investment.



On a positive note: It will probably be very beneficial for all of cryptocurrency if coinkite does well. I'm just still very skeptical. I agree, to a point. Once again, I never said I thought it was a fraud and that quote was part of a reddit string which contained it and many other quotes and is more so just to show the sentiment expressed by other coin communities towards coinkite. But, in light of everything you just said, it just makes it harder to understand why thousands of people from other coin communities decided this opportunity was not worthwhile. That's where this stems from. If it is a totally great deal like you are making it out to be, than why didn't other coins go through with it? The fact that Dogecoin, Peercoin, Mastercoin, etc did not jump on it in an instant is a red flag to me and I am still trying to rationalize that. They could have very easily raised the money but they consciously chose not to and openly opposed it.Dogecoin, Mastercoin, and Peercoin communities have plenty of business-savvy people in them who I would think would recognize a good investment when they saw one and they have plenty of wealthy members who would be willing to fork over money for a good investment.On a positive note: It will probably be very beneficial for all of cryptocurrency if coinkite does well. I'm just still very skeptical.

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Full MemberActivity: 140Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | No Premine - No IPO - ONLY OFFICIAL THREAD May 14, 2014, 05:13:15 AM #1582 Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 03:41:23 AM Quote from: KingSchultz on May 14, 2014, 03:36:02 AM



The FUD is tired though, remember everyone, MINT tried to pay the fee but got burned by CoinKite so they're pretty damn motivated to discredit them.

MINT trolls are back.The FUD is tired though, remember everyone, MINT tried to pay the fee but got burned by CoinKite so they're pretty damn motivated to discredit them.

Wow. You know it really says something about people when they have to label opposition with contextually derogatory assignments and dismiss their argument solely on those grounds instead of simply addressing their opposing points directly. I encourage anybody to go ahead and read the mint thread themselves from around the time when the community was trying to decide whether or not to go through with it. Then go read the Doge posts, the Vert posts, etc... You will be surprised. Also, you completely miss (ignore?) the rather important point that my initial post which sparked this discussion was a series of quotes from people from various different coin communities (none of them were from mintcoin). So, what was the reason for those communities to "discredit" coinkite? I am only regurgitating their "discrediting". I, and the rest of MINT (as though the coin is a conscious entity itself?), cannot take credit for the "discredit"



Keep ignoring the points I make, instead keep focusing on my personal associations. Makes you sound like a bunch of sensationalist denialists.



Oh and also, I am but one person. "Trolls" is plural.

Wow. You know it really says something about people when they have to label opposition with contextually derogatory assignments and dismiss their argument solely on those grounds instead of simply addressing their opposing points directly. I encourage anybody to go ahead and read the mint thread themselves from around the time when the community was trying to decide whether or not to go through with it. Then go read the Doge posts, the Vert posts, etc... You will be surprised. Also, you completely miss (ignore?) the rather important point that my initial post which sparked this discussion was a series of quotes from people from various different coin communities (none of them were from mintcoin). So, what was the reason for those communities to "discredit" coinkite? I am only regurgitating their "discrediting". I, and the rest of MINT (as though the coin is a conscious entity itself?), cannot take credit for the "discredit"Keep ignoring the points I make, instead keep focusing on my personal associations. Makes you sound like a bunch of sensationalist denialists.

Exactly. Eh, I made a mistake. I'm tired. So I apologize for that. Your wall of filler quotes and the replies after it looked like more than one person was posting it, which you should understand would look more like a coordinated attack to me.



So you're not necessarily an obvious troll, but the way you posted your concerns is still pretty disingenuous. I said filler quotes above, because a lot of what you posted is filler. You could have easily raised questions about the negative points of CoinKite without creating a screen-sized post filled out with noise.



I think other people have said enough on those points. My general thought on CoinKite is that it's a great tool for the BlackCoin community to use. It may have some negative points but I could care less what other coin communities think.. Black's goals are different. Since I've been here I've noticed a big focus on real world adoption in this community. This service will undeniably help us get into point of sale. And many of the points you raised are not of concern to merchants. Many will need an extremely easy, hand-holding way to take crypto.. CoinKite is good for that. But if another better service comes along later, we'll be on that too.



In two weeks there will be a well established pizza chain 10 minutes from my house with a CoinKite terminal. I will be able to pay, easily and quickly, for my pizza with BlackCoin. It's hard for me not to see the potential in how big our community can make something like this. Exactly. Eh, I made a mistake. I'm tired. So I apologize for that. Your wall of filler quotes and the replies after it looked like more than one person was posting it, which you should understand would look more like a coordinated attack to me.So you're not necessarily an obvious troll, but the way you posted your concerns is still pretty disingenuous. I said filler quotes above, because a lot of what you posted is filler. You could have easily raised questions about the negative points of CoinKite without creating a screen-sized post filled out with noise.I think other people have said enough on those points. My general thought on CoinKite is that it's a great tool for the BlackCoin community to use. It may have some negative points but I could care less what other coin communities think.. Black's goals are different. Since I've been here I've noticed a big focus on real world adoption in this community. This service will undeniably help us get into point of sale. And many of the points you raised are not of concern to merchants. Many will need an extremely easy, hand-holding way to take crypto.. CoinKite is good for that. But if another better service comes along later, we'll be on that too.In two weeks there will be a well established pizza chain 10 minutes from my house with a CoinKite terminal. I will be able to pay, easily and quickly, for my pizza with BlackCoin. It's hard for me not to see the potential in how big our community can make something like this.

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The FUD is tired though, remember everyone, MINT tried to pay the fee but got burned by CoinKite so they're pretty damn motivated to discredit them.

MINT trolls are back.The FUD is tired though, remember everyone, MINT tried to pay the fee but got burned by CoinKite so they're pretty damn motivated to discredit them.

Wow. You know it really says something about people when they have to label opposition with contextually derogatory assignments and dismiss their argument solely on those grounds instead of simply addressing their opposing points directly. I encourage anybody to go ahead and read the mint thread themselves from around the time when the community was trying to decide whether or not to go through with it. Then go read the Doge posts, the Vert posts, etc... You will be surprised. Also, you completely miss (ignore?) the rather important point that my initial post which sparked this discussion was a series of quotes from people from various different coin communities (none of them were from mintcoin). So, what was the reason for those communities to "discredit" coinkite? I am only regurgitating their "discrediting". I, and the rest of MINT (as though the coin is a conscious entity itself?), cannot take credit for the "discredit"



Keep ignoring the points I make, instead keep focusing on my personal associations. Makes you sound like a bunch of sensationalist denialists.



Oh and also, I am but one person. "Trolls" is plural.

Wow. You know it really says something about people when they have to label opposition with contextually derogatory assignments and dismiss their argument solely on those grounds instead of simply addressing their opposing points directly. I encourage anybody to go ahead and read the mint thread themselves from around the time when the community was trying to decide whether or not to go through with it. Then go read the Doge posts, the Vert posts, etc... You will be surprised. Also, you completely miss (ignore?) the rather important point that my initial post which sparked this discussion was a series of quotes from people from various different coin communities (none of them were from mintcoin). So, what was the reason for those communities to "discredit" coinkite? I am only regurgitating their "discrediting". I, and the rest of MINT (as though the coin is a conscious entity itself?), cannot take credit for the "discredit"Keep ignoring the points I make, instead keep focusing on my personal associations. Makes you sound like a bunch of sensationalist denialists.

Exactly. Eh, I made a mistake. I'm tired. So I apologize for that. Your wall of filler quotes and the replies after it looked like more than one person was posting it, which you should understand would look more like a coordinated attack to me.



So you're not necessarily an obvious troll, but the way you posted your concerns is still pretty disingenuous. I said filler quotes above, because a lot of what you posted is filler. You could have easily raised questions about the negative points of CoinKite without creating a screen-sized post filled out with noise.



I think other people have said enough on those points. My general thought on CoinKite is that it's a great tool for the BlackCoin community to use. It may have some negative points but I could care less what other coin communities think.. Black's goals are different. Since I've been here I've noticed a big focus on real world adoption in this community. This service will undeniably help us get into point of sale. And many of the points you raised are not of concern to merchants. Many will need an extremely easy, hand-holding way to take crypto.. CoinKite is good for that. But if another better service comes along later, we'll be on that too.



In two weeks there will be a well established pizza chain 10 minutes from my house with a CoinKite terminal. I will be able to pay, easily and quickly, for my pizza with BlackCoin. It's hard for me not to see the potential in how big our community can make something like this.

Exactly. Eh, I made a mistake. I'm tired. So I apologize for that. Your wall of filler quotes and the replies after it looked like more than one person was posting it, which you should understand would look more like a coordinated attack to me.So you're not necessarily an obvious troll, but the way you posted your concerns is still pretty disingenuous. I said filler quotes above, because a lot of what you posted is filler. You could have easily raised questions about the negative points of CoinKite without creating a screen-sized post filled out with noise.I think other people have said enough on those points. My general thought on CoinKite is that it's a great tool for the BlackCoin community to use. It may have some negative points but I could care less what other coin communities think.. Black's goals are different. Since I've been here I've noticed a big focus on real world adoption in this community. This service will undeniably help us get into point of sale. And many of the points you raised are not of concern to merchants. Many will need an extremely easy, hand-holding way to take crypto.. CoinKite is good for that. But if another better service comes along later, we'll be on that too.

Lucky! That is really awesome. I hope cryptos make it to my neck of the woods eventually. Maybe coinkite will be the one to make that happen. Lucky! That is really awesome. I hope cryptos make it to my neck of the woods eventually. Maybe coinkite will be the one to make that happen.

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Full MemberActivity: 140Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | No Premine - No IPO - ONLY OFFICIAL THREAD May 14, 2014, 05:24:05 AM #1584 Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 04:49:29 AM I agree, to a point. Once again, I never said I thought it was a fraud and that quote was part of a reddit string which contained it and many other quotes and is more so just to show the sentiment expressed by other coin communities towards coinkite. But, in light of everything you just said, it just makes it harder to understand why thousands of people from other coin communities decided this opportunity was not worthwhile. That's where this stems from. If it is a totally great deal like you are making it out to be, than why didn't other coins go through with it? The fact that Dogecoin, Peercoin, Mastercoin, etc did not jump on it in an instant is a red flag to me and I am still trying to rationalize that. They could have very easily raised the money but they consciously chose not to and openly opposed it.



Dogecoin, Mastercoin, and Peercoin communities have plenty of business-savvy people in them who I would think would recognize a good investment when they saw one and they have plenty of wealthy members who would be willing to fork over money for a good investment.



On a positive note: It will probably be very beneficial for all of cryptocurrency if coinkite does well. I'm just still very skeptical.



Most of the quotes you posted are from coin communities (Doge, Vert, ...) that were already on Moolah.io, which offers many merchant services. In fact, Moolah.io offers a point of sale terminal, but I think at this point it is software and not hardware. Either way, the CoinKite terminal is much more robust right now.



My point is: Moolah started with Doge on Reddit. Their history is intertwined. Negativity about CoinKite from Doge could very, very easily be simple bias against a competitor to 'their' service. The other coins on Moolah would find it easier to turn down CoinKite as there are somewhat similar options, and maybe a hardware terminal in the future.



That's a reasonable explanation for a lot of the negativity you posted. Now I am done with the subject as I am very tired.. and I have work to do. Most of the quotes you posted are from coin communities (Doge, Vert, ...) that were already on Moolah.io, which offers many merchant services. In fact, Moolah.io offers a point of sale terminal, but I think at this point it is software and not hardware. Either way, the CoinKite terminal is much more robust right now.My point is: Moolah started with Doge on Reddit. Their history is intertwined. Negativity about CoinKite from Doge could very, very easily be simple bias against a competitor to 'their' service. The other coins on Moolah would find it easier to turn down CoinKite as there are somewhat similar options, and maybe a hardware terminal in the future.That's a reasonable explanation for a lot of the negativity you posted. Now I am done with the subject as I am very tired.. and I have work to do.

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Full MemberActivity: 140Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | No Premine - No IPO - ONLY OFFICIAL THREAD May 14, 2014, 05:37:10 AM #1587 Quote from: virtualfaqs on May 14, 2014, 05:29:16 AM So it seems the whale with the 100 BTC Buy Walls temporarily reversed the downtrend of BC. Do you think that was a coincidence or the whale weird trading behavior did it? Or do you think the whale was in on it the whole time.



I don't have any evidence the whale caused the downtrend. But he did buy a lot of BC when things were looking gloomy at a higher price then just setting a low buy wall at 23K sats.



Well, the short-term downtrend was caused by a mass of fake sells. It was structured to look 'normal', but they were clearly a whale at play and disappeared right when the 100 BTC buy wall came back. It's hard to say whether it's one guy or not.



Whale games. It's so hard to tell what is really going on. I think it's best to hold your coins when they're about in such crazy fashion





Well, the short-term downtrend was caused by a mass of fake sells. It was structured to look 'normal', but they were clearly a whale at play and disappeared right when the 100 BTC buy wall came back. It's hard to say whether it's one guy or not.Whale games. It's so hard to tell what is really going on. I think it's best to hold your coins when they're about in such crazy fashion

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The bottom line was this: the investment was small in comparison to the advantages. Sure 25BTC isn't exactly pocket change... but try getting dedicated POS terminals and custom software written for BlackCoin - for less than that, or for that matter for twice that much.



I rolled out POS systems for a client some years ago and the deposit for Verifone on 5 stations was something along the lines of $25K. That was the deposit (kind of like a bond or good faith deposit actually). Sure it wasn't gone forever, IIRC they would get it returned to their account after 24 months of operation - during which they'd be paying 3.5% on all of the transactions!



I think the merchant services have gotten much better with time and competition, and I'm sure the advent of smartphone kits for POS and services like Paypal cut in to their nice little extortion scheme... but at the same time - my client was more than happy to pay, because taking credit/debit card payments would boost sales by 30-40% per month.



However, the real justification is simply this... with coinkite, even if there's not a single placement yet, BC has an answer to the question "what can I buy with it" - or for a B&M shop "how can I get paid in it". If I felt there was a possibility that the BC community could have developed their own in-house solution in less time... I might have argued against it as well.



But I think we all know that we're incredibly young, and relatively unknown still - so while some other very large communities might have the talent, and others might have the value... we had little of either at the time, and this seemed like a good interim solution. Besides Coinkite is present and often a minor sponsor of many crypto currency conferences... so we get some side-promotion for that investment as well. I remember having some of those reservations when I was researching them before sending my donation for the BC-Coinkite drive.The bottom line was this: the investment was small in comparison to the advantages. Sure 25BTC isn't exactly pocket change... but try getting dedicated POS terminals and custom software written for BlackCoin - for, or for that matter for twice that much.I rolled out POS systems for a client some years ago and the deposit for Verifone on 5 stations was something along the lines of $25K. That was the deposit (kind of like a bond or good faith deposit actually). Sure it wasn't gone forever, IIRC they would get it returned to their account after 24 months of operation - during which they'd be paying 3.5% on all of the transactions!I think the merchant services have gotten much better with time and competition, and I'm sure the advent of smartphone kits for POS and services like Paypal cut in to their nice little extortion scheme... but at the same time - my client was more than happy to pay, because taking credit/debit card payments would boost sales by 30-40% per month.However, the real justification is simply this... with coinkite, even if there's not a single placement yet, BC has an answer to the question "what can I buy with it" - or for a B&M shop "how can I get paid in it". If I felt there was a possibility that the BC community could have developed their own in-house solution in less time... I might have argued against it as well.But I think we all know that we're incredibly young, and relatively unknown still - so while some other very large communities might have the talent, and others might have the value... we had little of either at the time, and this seemed like a good interim solution. Besides Coinkite is present and often a minor sponsor of many crypto currency conferences... so we get some side-promotion for that investment as well.

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Full MemberActivity: 140Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] BlackCoin (BC/BLK) | PoS | No Premine - No IPO - ONLY OFFICIAL THREAD May 14, 2014, 05:44:51 AM #1589 Quote from: negamus on May 14, 2014, 05:26:12 AM Quote from: stormia on May 14, 2014, 04:49:29 AM I agree, to a point. Once again, I never said I thought it was a fraud and that quote was part of a reddit string which contained it and many other quotes and is more so just to show the sentiment expressed by other coin communities towards coinkite. But, in light of everything you just said, it just makes it harder to understand why thousands of people from other coin communities decided this opportunity was not worthwhile. That's where this stems from. If it is a totally great deal like you are making it out to be, than why didn't other coins go through with it? The fact that Dogecoin, Peercoin, Mastercoin, etc did not jump on it in an instant is a red flag to me and I am still trying to rationalize that. They could have very easily raised the money but they consciously chose not to and openly opposed it.



Dogecoin, Mastercoin, and Peercoin communities have plenty of business-savvy people in them who I would think would recognize a good investment when they saw one and they have plenty of wealthy members who would be willing to fork over money for a good investment.



Well, with this new found information, go ask those other communities why they didn't, instead of quoting 3+ month old quotes. I'm not making it out to be great deal, I'm just "discrediting" whats on those quotes that you quoted vs whats actually fact, the 2.47% fee charge when it's 1% or 0%, the 50% exchange markup share only applies to free kits, etc. At the time (3+ months ago) I could see why they passed on it, but coinkite has restructured their fees since.

Well, with this new found information, go ask those other communities why they didn't, instead of quoting 3+ month old quotes. I'm not making it out to be great deal, I'm just "discrediting" whats on those quotes that you quoted vs whats actually fact, the 2.47% fee charge when it's 1% or 0%, the 50% exchange markup share only applies to free kits, etc. At the time (3+ months ago) I could see why they passed on it, but coinkite has restructured their fees since.

A lot of those quotes may have been biased anyway, if you didn't see my reply before. Many or most of those quotes were from coin communities on Moolah's services. In Doge's case, Moolah is practically intertwined in their history. CoinKite is a competitor to some of Moolah's services. Moolah sort of started on Reddit with Dogecoin, so all those quotes taken from Reddit, mostly of coins on Moolah's services, could definitely have a huge hint of bias. A lot of those quotes may have been biased anyway, if you didn't see my reply before.Many or most of those quotes were from coin communities on Moolah's services. In Doge's case, Moolah is practically intertwined in their history. CoinKite is a competitor to some of Moolah's services. Moolah sort of started on Reddit with Dogecoin, so all those quotes taken from Reddit, mostly of coins on Moolah's services, could definitely have a huge hint of bias.