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To: alt.magick.tyagi,alt.magick.sex,alt.religion.sexuality,alt.sex.wizards,alt.magick.tantra From: nagasiva@luckymojo.com (nagasiva yronwode) Subject: Semen Retention and Mysticism (was wasting semen) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 04:42:40 GMT 50010108 Vom garyboombaats@aol.com (GaryBoomBaats): > How do you retain the seman the way you speak [of], you didn't include the text to which you were responding, so I'll just pretend that you are open to any descriptions. semen-retention appears to be based upon three main factors: psychological state and intention, physical condition, and coordination by partner(s). I'll comment on each below. A) psychological state and intention taboo-conditioning surrounding ejaculation is a mental trick using fear to forestall ejaculatory orgasm (and therefore any kind of ego-dissolution). the intensity of this conditioning will vary and focus on some psychospiritual goals, punishments, moral prescriptions, and/or potential results of the loss of what is in all likelihood regarded as a some kind of "vital essence" will become the intended obsession of the mystic. however, like the sand in a Buddhist mandala, this 'essence' is symbolic and not in any way crucial to mystical experience. how retention affects one's experience of an intentional and symbolic act of sexual ecstasy is the real reason that these taboos are introduced into tantric instruction by masters. just as burning the wooden Buddha for warmth is understood by traditionals to be a reasonable act given the depletion of the wood pile, so enthusiastically ejecting of the joyous jism for fun and pleasure as a vacation (pun intended) from discipline can be regarded with smiling admiration by the liberated sex mystic. B) physical condition from diet and exercise to breath-control and meditation, what one does physically affects one's psychological condition and one's mystical state. spirituality is based upon material considerations, though spiritualists may trumpet the opposite in order to get you to abandon physical pleasure. in some measure the relaxation of certain muscles (e.g. abdominal and leg) and deep breathing can have a valuable forestalling effects. there are many similar testimonies provided by popular references on improving sex and I urge you to consult them as a preparation before studying the teachings of mystics who may have no idea of the biological basis to mystical experiences. C) coordination by partner(s) the rhythm of mental and spiritual ecstasies is subject to influence by all participants in the energetic dance. coordination of objectives and state-changes is important in an attempt to avoid orgasm of any type (or indeed in some circumstances to achieve it). > I read what was written about the holding back urination until it > is slowed and slowed. that would be the strengthening of the 'PC' muscle for the purposes of aggressively stopping ejaculation in its initial phases. this can be effective to a point. I find it can occasionally decrease my time for repose. as a sexual technique, this can be very helpful. > Whats a good book to learn this, do you need a book? you can find most valuable methods online, I'd guess. Anand has some in her books which I have quoted online, and Chia and others seem to like the potentially hazardous practice of drawing semen back up into the bladder through the urethra once it has been ejaculated. it may seem strange, but I have NEVER seen a satisfactory overview of male ejaculatory control. too often the focus was on pressure to the perineum, which seems rather an extreme and last-ditch method, when instead a yogic attunement to one's own bodily rhythms, sensitivities, pressure and relaxation responses are what are most easily introduced into sexual interactions. > Are you holding back ALL the seman, I have been able to hold back > most of it, but not all and it was not very satisfying feeling. first thing you should ask yourself is why you are doing it. if you are trying to get an indirect ecstatic feeling out of it I think that you will be disappointed unless you are interested in taking more time with your sexuality, exploring it beyond these interruptions. holding back from any ejaculation is valuable within certain methods of discipline, but there is no consistent and authoritative single goal involved here, so one might view such interruption at this point as futile or worthless (because the objective could be to avoid ever having to 'hold back' by virtue of carefully keeping to less intense states of excitement), while you might be much better served to enjoy the spiritually valuable experience of orgasm seeing that this is what is naturally occurring. some (hedonistic) religious think that the inhibition of orgasm is a sin against nature. mystics attempting to INTENSIFY ejaculatory or other types of orgasms might work on extending pre-ejaculatory time and then, when the time was right, letting one's circumstance and preparation instigate the resultant condition. without knowing what you are attempting to achieve I could not easily advise you on this, however. > How do you retain the seman if durring the night it would > be expeled in a dream if you didnt take care the urge yourself? while I would not personally recommend the practice, one way that a man could resist nocturnal emission is through binding. that is, wearing firmly-fitting underwear or some other kind of restraint that would prevent physical feelings from influencing excitement. this is not sure-fire, but it would be preventative. if you were trying to avoid this long-term without the aid of outside support, then one way is to condition yourself into thinking that emission has dire consequences (such as destroying your chance to achieve any mystical objectives you may have, or that the fluid from your ejaculate will connect two electrodes and kill you; or that your deity has ordered you never to come -- anything that will induce fear during the period of excitation). another way would be to reward yourself for performing well in sexual contexts. that is, when you have successfully intended and achieved extension of pre-ejaculatory periods, then shower yourself with compensation -- be that gustatory, lucrative, or ejaculatory. to put this in the context of what *I* consider to be tantra, it is not the retention or expulsion of semen that is the focus of practice per se, but the ecstatic dissolution of ego through whatever means one selects in order enjoy what is called by some a communion with the divine. therefore regardless of whether one might succeed or fail in achieving some physical result is quite beside the point if, in the process, one's mystical result is achieved. different mystics may require different levels of discipline in order to achieve comparable results, and the goals mystics have will only occasionally coincide. those who push for Authorized Methods are either fundamentalists or attempting to assist through clever incentive tactics. namaste nagasiva -- FREE HOODOO CATALOGUE! send street address to: catalogue@luckymojo.com mailto:nagasiva@luckymojo.com ; http://www.luckymojo.com/nagasiva.html ; mailto:boboroshi@satanservice.org ; http://www.satanservice.org/ emailed replies may be posted; cc replies if response desired