DMT is illegal because the government doesn't want you to contact aliens on your own.

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source: physicist Cliff Pickover's article





DMT, Moses, and the Quest for Transcendence

by Cliff Pickover, Reality Carnival



"DMT in the pineal glands of Biblical prophets gave God to humanity and let ordinary humans perceive parallel universes."



The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth.



DMT, Moses, and the Quest for Transcendenceby Cliff Pickover, Reality Carnival"DMT in the pineal glands of Biblical prophets gave God to humanity and let ordinary humans perceive parallel universes."The molecule DMT (N,N-Dimethyltryptamine) is a psychoactive chemical that causes intense visions and can induce its users to quickly enter a completely different "environment" that some have likened to an alien or parallel universe. The transition from our world to theirs occurs with no cessation of consciousness or quality of awareness. In this environment, beings often appear who interact with the person who is using DMT. The beings appear to inhabit this parallel realm. The DMT experience has the feel of reality in terms of detail and potential for exploration. The creatures encountered are often identified as being alienlike or elflike. Some of the creatures appear to be three-dimensional. Others appear to lack depth.



I believe the government is keeping these chemicals illegal because it is hiding the perceptual gateway to the Alien Universe.



I think some aliens live in this world, and some travel through it, like the Greys.



I think that the DMT, because it is so close in structure to our usual world-lens seratonin, allows us to see a broader reality, even if it is one we cannot easily function in, a window into 'Hyperspace'.



Seratonin and other chemicals are used by the brain to organize the sense-data we constantly take in into recognizable reality-pictures, or models.



we know that what we see is not exactly what is there, we only see seven colors, we can't see radiation or infrared and so on.



There are experiments where electricity was used to cause abduction-like experiences including paralysis and Greys.



DMT by the way, actually causes paralysis in most people.



there is also intense fear.



So to capsulate it, DMT is a window through which man can see another world, where Greys either originate, or travel through to our dimension



The government started covering it up after these discoveries were made in the 80s and 90s. It keeps the chemical on a tight leash.



perhaps the governments Black Ops dept. is still running DMT aided RV crews...? I believe the government is keeping these chemicals illegal because it is hiding the perceptual gateway to the Alien Universe.I think some aliens live in this world, and some travel through it, like the Greys.I think that the DMT, because it is so close in structure to our usual world-lens seratonin, allows us to see a broader reality, even if it is one we cannot easily function in, a window into 'Hyperspace'.Seratonin and other chemicals are used by the brain to organize the sense-data we constantly take in into recognizable reality-pictures, or models.we know that what we see is not exactly what is there, we only see seven colors, we can't see radiation or infrared and so on.There are experiments where electricity was used to cause abduction-like experiences including paralysis and Greys.DMT by the way, actually causes paralysis in most people.there is also intense fear.So to capsulate it, DMT is a window through which man can see another world, where Greys either originate, or travel through to our dimensionThe government started covering it up after these discoveries were made in the 80s and 90s. It keeps the chemical on a tight leash.perhaps the governments Black Ops dept. is still running DMT aided RV crews...?







reply to post by MegaTherion





I'm sure this thread isn't going to last too long.



Counting down from 5....4....3....... I'm sure this thread isn't going to last too long.Counting down from 5....4....3.......



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we dont' need posts of countdowns.... please stay on topic.



We'll decide what to do with threads.



Thanks.







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You got it.



Anyway OP, I completely understand what you are trying to say. You got it.Anyway OP, I completely understand what you are trying to say.









Originally posted by elevatedone

we dont' need posts of countdowns.... please stay on topic.



We'll decide what to do with threads.



Thanks.

we dont' need posts of countdowns.... please stay on topic.We'll decide what to do with threads.Thanks.





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Psychotropic drugs may or may not open up alternate message paths in the brain. If they do, as long as the ability is within the human brain to begin with, then there is certainly a plausibility to these baseless claims. Nothing wrong with a little mental hopscotch. I prefer people to think then to be mindless drones like the jerk with the countdown.





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[edit on 6-7-2008 by elevatedone] [snip]Psychotropic drugs may or may not open up alternate message paths in the brain. If they do, as long as the ability is within the human brain to begin with, then there is certainly a plausibility to these baseless claims. Nothing wrong with a little mental hopscotch. I prefer people to think then to be mindless drones like the jerk with the countdown.[edit on 6-7-2008 by elevatedone]







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well, of course not. I wouldn't expect a big site like this to adhere to it's rep.



I've always found moderators to be petty, nitpicking, nazis.



they are the bane of free thought on the interwebs.



some are cool, though.



I'm not proposing people should go out and do it, I'm just saying this is what it does and the government doesn't want you to know it.



and that's true.



DMT has no physical side effects whatsoever, it leaves your system in 24 hours without a trace.



when you die, natural DMT deposits in your pineal gland dump into your brain, causing OOBEs and NDEs.



I wouldn't expect free thought to be allowed on the internet.



if it offends 3 people, it's automatically 'unfit for our forums'.



I'm prepared for the nasty u2u's. well, of course not. I wouldn't expect a big site like this to adhere to it's rep.I've always found moderators to be petty, nitpicking, nazis.they are the bane of free thought on the interwebs.some are cool, though.I'm not proposing people should go out and do it, I'm just saying this is what it does and the government doesn't want you to know it.and that's true.DMT has no physical side effects whatsoever, it leaves your system in 24 hours without a trace.when you die, natural DMT deposits in your pineal gland dump into your brain, causing OOBEs and NDEs.I wouldn't expect free thought to be allowed on the internet.if it offends 3 people, it's automatically 'unfit for our forums'.I'm prepared for the nasty u2u's.











to describe it, its like loading the universe into a cannon, aiming it at ur head, and firing. DMT isnt somethin you take, its something your body releases. Naturally only twice in your life, at birth and at death, however you can induce a release of it by ingesting ayahuasca. Try itto describe it, its like loading the universe into a cannon, aiming it at ur head, and firing.







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It's time for Mega Therion to be pleasantly surprised by these new and different mods!



then again, it is a SUPER mod It's time for Mega Therion to be pleasantly surprised by these new and different mods!then again, it is a SUPER mod







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yes, that does happen, and NO it IS something you can take.



All You Ever Wanted To Know About DMT



but were afraid to ask yes, that does happen, and NO it IS something you can take.but were afraid to ask







Not sure if i am allowed to post this, but I have had the opportunity to experiment with DMT on a few occasions, only after many, many months of reading up on it though.



It is the single most interesting and powerful substance on this earth I believe, and I speak from personal experience here.



The worlds you enter, the beings you communicate with are far too real for it to be ignored.



But leave it up to the government to make something illegal that occurs naturally in our own bodies....unbelievable...







reply to post by MegaTherion





Umm, yes it is something you can take...it occurs naturally in all plants and life forms, and can be extracted with the correct procedure. Umm, yes it is something you can take...it occurs naturally in all plants and life forms, and can be extracted with the correct procedure.















In December of 2004, the Supreme Court lifted a stay thereby allowing the Brazil-based União do Vegetal (UDV) church to use a decoction containing DMT in their Christmas services that year. This decoction is a "tea" made from boiled leaves and vines, known as hoasca within the UDV, and ayahuasca in different cultures. In Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao do Vegetal, the Supreme Court heard arguments on November 1, 2005 and unanimously ruled in February 2006 that the U.S. federal government must allow the UDV to import and consume the tea for religious ceremonies under the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. - Wikipedia



In December of 2004, the Supreme Court lifted a stay thereby allowing the Brazil-based União do Vegetal (UDV) church to use a decoction containing DMT in their Christmas services that year. This decoction is a "tea" made from boiled leaves and vines, known as hoasca within the UDV, and ayahuasca in different cultures. In Gonzales v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao do Vegetal, the Supreme Court heard arguments on November 1, 2005 and unanimously ruled in February 2006 that the U.S. federal government must allow the UDV to import and consume the tea for religious ceremonies under the 1993 Religious Freedom Restoration Act. - Wikipedia



DMT is also thought to be the chemical associated with near death experiences, as well as UFO abduction experiences.



While I do see reason for such a powerful substance to be regulated, due to obvious abuse and misuse, I think there is a huge area of research that is currently being overlooked. This chemical could offer profound realizations in terms of conciousness, reality, and dreams. To be able to study the brain while interacting with trans-dimensional beings, or while having out of body experiences. I think DMT is the one chemical that could offer a plethora of scientific information that could be beneficial in so many ways to humankind as a whole.







In a study conducted from 1990 through 1995, University of New Mexico psychiatrist Rick Strassman found that many volunteers injected with high doses of DMT had experiences with a perceived alien entity. Usually, the reported entities were experienced as the inhabitants of a perceived independent reality the subjects reported visiting on DMT. - Wikipedia



In a study conducted from 1990 through 1995, University of New Mexico psychiatrist Rick Strassman found that many volunteers injected with high doses of DMT had experiences with a perceived alien entity. Usually, the reported entities were experienced as the inhabitants of a perceived independent reality the subjects reported visiting on DMT. - Wikipedia



Would people question religion if you were able to drink a tea and actually talk to your creator?



DMT experiences remind me a lot of lucid dreaming, and even more so, astral projection. The similarities are almost mirror-like, and while astral projection may not be repeatable every time, with the assistance of a chemical such as DMT, it becomes trivial. This chemical is also naturally produced in our brain by the pineal gland, which is also referred to as the Third Eye. I believe many ancient cultures had quite an understanding of what this little part of the brain produced, and by meditation they learned how to stimulate it in a way to produce the said chemical.



Sadly, any substance that allows anyone to connect with their higher self at any time, allows for too much introspection and possible enlightenment. This is why such a chemical is illegal, yet completely natural and produced within our brains. Actually, there is some religious groups based in the USA that are allowed to use a certain preperation of DMT called Ayahuasca for religious ceremonies.DMT is also thought to be the chemical associated with near death experiences, as well as UFO abduction experiences.While I do see reason for such a powerful substance to be regulated, due to obvious abuse and misuse, I think there is a huge area of research that is currently being overlooked. This chemical could offer profound realizations in terms of conciousness, reality, and dreams. To be able to study the brain while interacting with trans-dimensional beings, or while having out of body experiences. I think DMT is the one chemical that could offer a plethora of scientific information that could be beneficial in so many ways to humankind as a whole.Would people question religion if you were able to drink a tea and actually talk to your creator?DMT experiences remind me a lot of lucid dreaming, and even more so, astral projection. The similarities are almost mirror-like, and while astral projection may not be repeatable every time, with the assistance of a chemical such as DMT, it becomes trivial. This chemical is also naturally produced in our brain by the pineal gland, which is also referred to as the Third Eye. I believe many ancient cultures had quite an understanding of what this little part of the brain produced, and by meditation they learned how to stimulate it in a way to produce the said chemical.Sadly, any substance that allows anyone to connect with their higher self at any time, allows for too much introspection and possible enlightenment. This is why such a chemical is illegal, yet completely natural and produced within our brains.







reply to post by MegaTherion





I remember last night, someone started a thread that was kind of the same. About Salvia Divinorum. Smoking for kind of the same effect your are talking about.



I guess that thread was taken down. I don't know why, Salvia is legal!







[edit on 6-7-2008 by Minnesotawreckingcrew] I remember last night, someone started a thread that was kind of the same. About Salvia Divinorum. Smoking for kind of the same effect your are talking about.I guess that thread was taken down. I don't know why, Salvia is legal![edit on 6-7-2008 by Minnesotawreckingcrew]







I'm in Australia and apparently you can extract DMT fairly easily from acacia bark. I haven't done it myself but I'm very curious at some time to try it. I have heard it is quite intense and therefore has no risk of becoming addictive as you can't really do anything else but experience it while you are on it.



I agree that governments restrict these sort of things because they are mind expanding and lets you easily see how moronic and rediculous most of their policies are, not mention how soulless and retarding most 9-5 jobs are!



Another enthogenic substance that would lbe interesting is ayueska (not sure how that is spelt) used by shamans for insight and visionquesting but I have no idea how that is obtained in Australia. May have to go to Peru for that one!



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I got some on Ebay last summer. I tried it a couple of times and that was that.



It's a cool experience. I have some if you want it. I could send it to you if it's legal in canada.



By the way, to the MODS, why was that thread shut down? I got some on Ebay last summer. I tried it a couple of times and that was that.It's a cool experience. I have some if you want it. I could send it to you if it's legal in canada.By the way, to the MODS, why was that thread shut down?











I don't want the post taken down.



if you have any questions of any kind about the chemical DMT, please visit this link, which is the best site for Information about psychoactive or Entheogenic chemicals.



Erowid Psychoactive Vault



but we should continue about experiences and alternate methods of attaining this parallel world.



I think it's possible to replicate any drug experience with enough meditation and yoga.



it just takes longer and requires more discipline. I would request that posters refrain from going into posts about acquiring or manufacturing ANY drugs.I don't want the post taken down.if you have any questions of any kind about the chemical DMT, please visit this link, which is the best site for Information about psychoactive or Entheogenic chemicals.but we should continue about experiences and alternate methods of attaining this parallel world.I think it's possible to replicate any drug experience with enough meditation and yoga.it just takes longer and requires more discipline.











Here's a great Youtube video about someone's experience in parallel dimensions/aliens with DMT:



www.youtube.com...



[edit on 7/6/2008 by Yarcofin] [removing my post to avoid getting this thread locked]Here's a great Youtube video about someone's experience in parallel dimensions/aliens with DMT:[edit on 7/6/2008 by Yarcofin]

