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The new head of the Department of the Interior has close ties to industry and a penchant for relaxing environmental regulations. He’s also the subject of an ethics investigation. Interior Secretary David Bernhardt represents a new phase in the Trump administration: the shift from a Cabinet of flashy, venal outsiders to savvy, ideological insiders.

Guest: Lance Williams, senior reporter for Reveal and the Center for Investigative Reporting.

Podcast production by Mary Wilson, Jayson De Leon, and Anna Martin.