Yeah, I agree with her.

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That progressives shouldn't tolerate bigots within its own communities?



I don't see where she wrote that.



Clearly you meant that you do not agree with what she said and her beliefs.

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If you'd like me to clarify my post, then just say that - but don't tell me what I meant.

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girl, i love you but stop. this is beautiful and it makes sense on paper, but ignores the racial reality of AmeriKKKah. there's nothing to debate about racism. there's no reason behind it other than hatred of someone else solely because of their skin color so, mama, there's always ill intent behind it. trump, who's a fucking moron and can't say a cohesive sentence about anything but racism, made clear what he was for and people went along with it. there was ill intent behind voting for someone who demonizes anyone who isn't yt.



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i think she was talking about more than just the issue of racism

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She's not really talking about racism? At least I didn't perceive it that way.

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Not convinced the right knows one thing about being a ‘tribe’... esp based on your description lol

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ita, the modern right wing isn't actually about critical thinking or problem solving so they know how to band together like a school of ants.

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She's right

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I see that, but the left is full of people who have been shat on their entire lives and haven't been listened to. I don't blame them.



However I do blame them for talking big but being hell-bent to play by the rules when the right does not. The right is having their judge friends put it unwarranted arrest warrants for beaten protestors and what are you doing? Saying that Nazis should have free speech?



Their passion is aimed at the wrong people and are too stupid to realize that playing fair in this instance is a bad idea.

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yeah ia

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ita

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MTE

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Agreed

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mte

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I definitely agree

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Ia so much about people's unwillingness to debate - how do you change anyone's mind without reasoned argument?

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Truth. It's definitely evident here.

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any internet "debate" now includes memes and bullshit

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When a feminist denounces the idea that trans woman are real women and then continues on how she's right. She can fuck off.



This isn't debate class. If you're presented with facts and ideas, come to your own conclusion. Im definitely not going to go back and forth with someone that refuses to listen and continue to state transphobic terms whilst trying to state their reasoning (enter general topics as well).



The information is readily available. Take accountability and educate yourself. In 2017, no less.

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what were her comments about trans ppl?

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basically said that trans women are "less woman" because their experiences are different, due to "not having lived as a woman their entire life"

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She did not, but interesting how you are proving her point!

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She said that trans women and cis women experience gender differently.

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http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/105400759.html If you like, here are the posts about her comments: https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/105405849.html

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There's a lot of nuance to it. The left has a lot of problems, but it's frustrating because Republicans seem to flat out be a party of evil doers, and that shouldn't be hard to rally against.

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it speaks to america's sick and abusive climate.



this week has been nauseating.

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The same can easily be said of the British left, it is a disastuh.



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Literally bye, you are such a liberal apologist for all you claim to be left. The Liberals promised and then abandoned electoral reform, the NDP isn't why it failed.

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lmao WHAT

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It does seem like most of Labour's leadership is a bit batshit...

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I was going to say, I agree with her but not just about the American left...

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In the quest for inclusiveness, the left is willing to discard a certain kind of complex truth.



this so much.



that's not to say we shouldn't be inclusive, but sometimes even questioning things is met with anger and ridicule.



of course ontd will get annoyed at her comments, they're basically a read of ontd.

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of course ontd will get annoyed at her comments, they're basically a read of ontd.



So much this. Nuance has never existed here.

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“Sometimes even questioning things is met with anger and ridicule”



Totally, and it’s exhausting

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I agree 100% and this applies to the hive mind here perfectly

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Oh, so she’s mad that people criticized her for making a statement that implied trans women weren’t women...

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not today satan

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Yeah just look at this place

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Sadly, this applies to the Left in the entirety of the Western world.

I'm french and we have the same issues here...

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this explains so many of your comments

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xoxo

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lmaooo

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lol

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Dayum

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