Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6941 oh, forgot to change to the new NP talent (Treants instead of Int) https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-05 23:30:27 #6942 Troll Warlord

Added Morbid Mask to Early Game

Added Monkey King Bar to Extension Items

Moved Ring of Aquila to Situational Items

Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items

Removed Hurricane Pike



Slark

New Talent Tree: 10 (10% Lifesteal), 15 (+15 Agility), 20 (+25 Attack Speed), 25 (+12 All Stats)



Enigma

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (15% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (-40s Respawn Time), 25 (+8 Demonic Conversion Eidolons)

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Octarine Core to Extension Items

Moved Black King Bar to Core Items

Moved Guardian Greaves to Situational Items

Removed Mekansm



Magnus

New Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Empower Damage/Cleave), 25 (-35 Respawn Time)

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items



Treant Protector

New Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Nature's Guise 2. Living Armor 3. Leech Seed)

Added Medallion of Courage to Core Items

Added Iron Talon to Situational Items

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Guardian Greaves



Riki

Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items

Removed Boots of Speed

Removed Wind Lace

Removed Infused Raindrop



Venomancer

New Skill Build: E W E Q E W E R W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Plague Ward 2. Poison Sting 3. Venomous Gale)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Iron Talon to Starting Items

Added Faerie Fire to Starting Items

Added Clarity to Starting Items

Added Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items

Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Removed Animal Courier

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Tango

Removed Wind Lace

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Hurricane Pike



Vengeful Spirit

New Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+65 Damage), 25 (+20% Vengeance Aura Damage)



Ogre Magi

New Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+8% Magic Resistance), 20 (+250 Health), 25 (+40 Bloodlust AS)

Added Solar Crest to Extension Items

Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items

Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items

Removed Boots of Speed

Removed Wind Lace



Omniknight

New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q E Q R E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Purification 2. Degen Aura 3. Repel)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+75 Cast Range), 20 (+6 Mana Regen), 25 (+200 Purification Damage/Heal)

Added Orb of Venom to Starting Items

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Moved Soul Ring to Early Game

Removed Enchanted Mango

Removed Wind Lace



Terrorblade

Added Slippers of Agility x2 to Starting Items

Added Clarity to Starting Items

Added Moon Shard to Luxury Items

Moved Ring of Aquila to Early Game

Moved Eye of Skadi to Core Items

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Enchanted Mango

Removed Iron Talon

Removed Tango

Removed Butterfly

Removed Helm of the Dominator



Naga Siren (Core)

Added Bottle to Early Game

Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items

Removed Tango

Removed Enchanted Mango

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Clarity

Removed Arcane Boots



Naga Siren (Support)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Clarity to Starting Items

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Wind Lace to "Early Game"

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Moved Guardian Greaves to Core Item

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Animal Courier



Meepo

Moved Scythe of Vyse to Core Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items



Lifestealer (Core)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+5 All Stats), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (15% Evasion), 25 (+15 Armor)

Added Quelling Blade to Early Game

Added Silver Edge to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Added Mjollnir to Extension Items

Moved Desolator to Core Items

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Extension Items

Removed Blight Stone

Removed Blink Dagger



Lifestealer (Jungle)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+5 All Stats), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (15% Evasion), 25 (+15 Armor)

Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Added Tango to Starting Items

Added Silver Edge to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Added Mjollnir to Extension Items

Moved Desolator to Core Items

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Extension Items

Removed Blight Stone

Removed Blink Dagger

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Quelling Blade



Shadow Fiend

Added Daedalus to Extension Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Situational Items

Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity



Clockwerk

Added Healing Slave to Starting Items

Moved Force Staff to Core Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Removed Clarity

Removed Boots of Speed

Removed Phase Boots

Removed Bottle



Earth Spirit

New Talent Tree: 11 (+10 Intelligence), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Spell Amplification), 25 (-45s Respawn Time)



Weaver (Core)

Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items



Templar Assassin

New Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q W W T W W E E T R R T T (1. Refraction 2. Meld 3. Psi Blades)



Lina (Support)

New Talent Tree: 10 (-30s Respawn Time, 15 (+125 Cast Range), 20 (6% Spell Amplification), 25 (-4s Dragon Slave Cooldown)



Lina (Core)

New Talent Tree: 11 (-30s Respawn Time), 15 (+50 Damage), 20 (+150 Attack Range), 25 (+40/4% Fiery Soul per Stack)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Soul Ring to "Early Game"

Added Magic Wand to "Early Game

Added Arcane Boots to Core Items

Added Bloodstone to Core Items

Added Shadow Blade to Core Items

Added Mjollnir to Extension Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items

Removed Phase Boots

Removed Ghost Scepter

Removed Octarine Core

Removed Scythe of Vyse

Removed Shiva'S Guard



Ember Spirit (Core/Magic)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+10% Spell Amplification), 16 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+10 Armor), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)

Added Black King Bar to Situational Items

Moved Octarine Core to Extension Items



Ember Spirit (Core/Physical)

New Skill Build: E Q E Q E R E W Q T Q W W W T R R T T (1. Flame Guard 2. Searing Chains 3. Sleight of Fist)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+10% Spell Amplification), 16 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+10 Armor), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)

Moved Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Removed Tango

Remove Stout Shield



Slardar

New Talent Tree: 10 (+175 Mana), 15 (+225 Health), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+20 Strength)

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items

Added Shadow Blade to Extension Items

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items

Removed Armlet of Mordiggian



Lycan (Core)

New Skill Build: W E E W E R E W W T Q R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Feral Impulse 2. Howl 3. Summon Wolves)

Added Iron Talon to Early Game

Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items

Removed Helm of the Dominator



Lycan (Jungle)

New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E T W R W W T W R T T (1. Summon Wolves 2. Feral Impulse 3. Howl)

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Early Game

Added Heart of Tarrasque to Extension Items



Gyrocopter (Core/Carry)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Morbid Mask to Situational Items

Moved Phase Boots to "Early Game"

Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"

Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items

Moved Manta Style to Situational Items

Removed Helm of the Dominator



Silencer (Core)

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items



Abaddon

New Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E T Q R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Aphotic Shield 2. Curse of the Avernus 3. Mist Coil)

Created New Tab: "Core Items (Radiance)"

Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Added Boots of Speed to Early Game

Added Quelling Blade to Early Game

Added Hand of Midas to "Core Items (Radiance)"

Added Radiance to "Core Items (Radiance)"

Added Octarine Core to "Core Items (Radiance)"

Added Blink Dagger to Extension Items

Added Abyssal Blade to Extension Items

Moved Phase Boots to Early Game

Moved Drum of Endurance to Core Items (Offlane)

Moved Solar Crest to Core Items (Offlane)

Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Tango

Removed Orb of Venom

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Crimson Guard

Removed Sange & Yasha

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Ring of Protection

Removed Echo Sabre



Warlock (Support)

New Skill Build: W Q W Q Q R Q W W T E R E E T E R T T (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Urn of Shadows to "Early Game"

Added Solar Crest to Core Items

Added Force Staff to Extension Items

Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Octarine Core



Warlock (Core)

New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R Q Q W T E R E E T E R T T (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"

Added Force Staff to Extension Items

Moved Bottle to "Early Game

Moved Hand of Midas to Core Items



Monkey King (Core)

Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting Items

Added Shadow Blade to Core Items

Added Mjolnnir to Extension Items

Moved Desolator to Extension Items

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Ring of Aquila

Removed Assault Cuirass

Removed Butterfly



Monkey King (Support)

New Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Boundless Strike 2. Tree Dance 3. Jingu Mastery)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Attack Speed), 15 (+275 Health), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+100% Boundless Strike Crit)

Created New Tab: "Early Game"

Added Observer Ward to Starting Items

Added Healing Salve to Starting Items

Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Added Boots of Speed to Early Game

Added Urn of Shadows to Core Items

Added Observer Ward to Utility Items

Added Sentry Ward to Utility Items

Added Dust of Appearance to Utility Items

Added Smoke of Deceit to Utility Items

Added Tome of Experience to Utility Items

Added Poor Man's Shield to Situational Items

Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items

Added Solar Crest to Extension Items

Added Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items

Moved Magic Wand to Early Game

Moved Echo Sabre to Situational Items

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Diffusal Blade - Level 2

Removed Silver Edge

Removed Eye of Skadi



Nyx Assassin (Offlane)

New Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Impale 2. Spiked Carapace 3. Mana Burn)

Added Enchanted Mango x2 to Starting Items

Added Stout Shield to Starting Items

Moved Poor Man's Shield to Core Items

Moved Bottle to Situational Items

Removed Iron Talon



Ogre Magi

Moved Glimmer Cape to Core Items



Tusk

New Talent Tree: 11 (+40% XP Gain), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+6 Armor), 25 (+700 Health)

Added Urn of Shadows to Situational Items

Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items

Removed Rod of Atos



Alchemist (Core/Radiance)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+300 Health), 25 (-5 Acid Spray Armor)



Troll Warlord

New Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Whirling Axes 2. Berserker's Rage 3. Fervor)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+10 Agility), 15 (+6 Armor), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+20% Magic Resistance)

Added Vladmir's Offering to Core Items

Removed Shadow Blade

Removed Ring of Aquila



Zeus

New Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Arc Lightning 3. Static Field)

Removed Soul Ring

Removed Refresher Orb



Ursa (Core)

New Skill Build: E Q E W W R E W E W T R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)

Added Slippers of Agility x2 to Starting Items

Added Silver Edge to Situational Items

Added Heaven's Halberd to Situational Items

Added Desolator to Situational Items

Moved Orb of Venom to Early Game

Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items

Removed Tango

Removed Morbid Mask

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Sange & Yasha

Removed Solar Crest



Ursa (Jungle)

Added Silver Edge to Situational Items

Added Desolator to Situational Items

Moved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational Items

Removed Sange & Yasha

Removed Solar Crest



Elder Titan

New Skill Build: W Q W Q Q R E Q E T E R E W T W R T T (1. Echo Stomp 2. Natural Order 3. Astral Spirit)

Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational Items

Moved Solar Crest to Extension Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Extension Items



Legion Commander (Core)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Duel Damage Bonus)

Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Black King Bar to Core Items

Removed Satanic



Legion Commander (Jungle)

Added Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Black King Bar to Core Items

Removed Satanic



Storm Spirit

New Talent Tree: 10 (+3 Mana Regen), 15 (+10 Intelligence), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (10% Spell Amplification)

Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational Items

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items



Visage

New Skill Build: W Q W E W R W E E T E R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Soul Assumption 2 Gravekeeper's Cloak 3. Grave Chill)

Added Clarity to Starting Items

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Assault Cuirass to Extension Items

Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items

Moved Solar Crest to Core Items

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Medallion of Courage

Removed Wind Lace



Arc Warden

New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E T W R W W T W R T T (1. Flux 2. Spark Wraith 3. Magnetic Field)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (10% Cooldown Reduction), 25 (30% Lifesteal)

Moved Shadow Blade to Core Items

Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items

Moved Silver Edge to Extension Items

Moved Hurricane Pike to Extension Items

Removed Boots of Travel - Level 2



Night Stalker

New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E T R W W T W R T T (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear)

New Talent Tree: 11 (+100 Cast Range), 15 (+25 Attack Speed), 20 (+30 Movement Speed), 25 (+12 Armor)

Added Healing Salve to Starting Items

Added Iron Talon to Early Game

Added Hand of Midas to Situational Items

Added Solar Crest to Situational Items

Added Aether Lens to Extension Items

Added Octarine Core to Extension Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items

Removed Pipe of Insight

Removed Force Staff



Renamed Core

Nature's Prophet (Jungle)

New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Nature's Call 2. Teleportation 3. Sprout)

New Talent Tree: 10 (+30 Damage), 15 (+20 Intelligence), 20 (+35 Attack Speed), 25 (-40s Respawn Time)

Created New Tab: "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Boots of Speed to "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Tango to "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Clarity to "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Iron Branch to "Starting Items (Offlane)"

Added Orb of Venom to Situational Items

Added Phase boots to Core Items

Removed Power Treads



New Guide

Nature's Prophet (Core2)

Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Nature's Call 2. Teleportation 3. Sprout)

Talent Tree: 10 (+30 Damage), 15 (+20 Intelligence), 20 (+35 Attack Speed), 25 (-40s Respawn Time)

Starting Items: Iron Branch, Clarity, Ring of Basilius

Starting Items (Offlane): Boots of Speed, Tango, Clarity, Iron Branch

Core Items (Jungle/Offlane): Phase Boots, Magic Wand, Drum of Endurance, Shadow Blade, Orchid of Malevolence

Situational Items: Orb of Venom, Hand of Midas, Desolator, Linken's Sphere, Black King Bar

Extension Items: Aghanim's Scepter, Hurricane Pike, Silver Edge, Scythe of Vyse, Mjollnir, Bloodthorn



New Guide

Vengeful Spirit (Core)



Skill Build: Q W Q E Q T Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Magic Missile 2. Vengeance Aura 3. Wave of Terror)

Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+65 Damage), 25 (+20% Vengeance Aura Damage)

Starting Items: Tango, Clarity, Iron Branch x2, Healing Salve, Circlet of Nobility

Early Game: Boots of Speed, Ring of Aquila

Core Items: Power Treads, Magic Wand, Dragon Lance, Sange & Yasha, Hurricane Pike

Situational Items: Helm of Dominator, Desolator, Diffusal Blade - Level 2, Aghanim's Scepter, Linken's Sphere, Manta Style, Silver Edge

Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Black King Bar, Assault Cuirass, Monkey King Bar, Daedalus, Butterfly



New Guide

SirActionSlacks (Core)



Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Purification 2. Degen Aura 3. Repel)

Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+8 Strength), 20 (+100 Damage), 25 (-16% Degen Aura)

Starting Items: Tango, Stout Shield, Orb of Venom

Early Game: Soul Ring, Boots of Speed, Quelling Blade

Core Items: Phase Boots, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Echo Sabre, Sange & Yasha

Situational Items: Hand of Midas, Drum of Endurance, Vladmir's Offering, Black King Bar, Linken's Sphere, Silver Edge

Extension Items: Boots of Travel, Shiva's Guard, Radiance, Heart of Tarrasque, Abyssal Blade

Luxury Items: Boots of Travel - Level 2, Moon Shard, Daedalus, Eye of Skadi, Octarine Core Added Morbid Mask to Early GameAdded Monkey King Bar to Extension ItemsMoved Ring of Aquila to Situational ItemsMoved Linken's Sphere to Situational ItemsRemoved Hurricane PikeNew Talent Tree: 10 (10% Lifesteal), 15 (+15 Agility), 20 (+25 Attack Speed), 25 (+12 All Stats)New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (15% Cooldown Reduction), 20 (-40s Respawn Time), 25 (+8 Demonic Conversion Eidolons)Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Octarine Core to Extension ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Core ItemsMoved Guardian Greaves to Situational ItemsRemoved MekansmNew Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Empower Damage/Cleave), 25 (-35 Respawn Time)Added Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Nature's Guise 2. Living Armor 3. Leech Seed)Added Medallion of Courage to Core ItemsAdded Iron Talon to Situational ItemsRemoved Magic WandRemoved Guardian GreavesAdded Ring of Aquila to Core ItemsRemoved Boots of SpeedRemoved Wind LaceRemoved Infused RaindropNew Skill Build: E W E Q E W E R W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Plague Ward 2. Poison Sting 3. Venomous Gale)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Added Iron Talon to Starting ItemsAdded Faerie Fire to Starting ItemsAdded Clarity to Starting ItemsAdded Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Core ItemsMoved Force Staff to Extension ItemsRemoved Animal CourierRemoved Observer WardRemoved TangoRemoved Wind LaceRemoved Magic WandRemoved Hurricane PikeNew Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+65 Damage), 25 (+20% Vengeance Aura Damage)New Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+8% Magic Resistance), 20 (+250 Health), 25 (+40 Bloodlust AS)Added Solar Crest to Extension ItemsMoved Urn of Shadows to Core ItemsMoved Glimmer Cape to Situational ItemsRemoved Boots of SpeedRemoved Wind LaceNew Skill Build: E Q Q W Q E Q R E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Purification 2. Degen Aura 3. Repel)New Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+75 Cast Range), 20 (+6 Mana Regen), 25 (+200 Purification Damage/Heal)Added Orb of Venom to Starting ItemsAdded Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsMoved Soul Ring to Early GameRemoved Enchanted MangoRemoved Wind LaceAdded Slippers of Agility x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Clarity to Starting ItemsAdded Moon Shard to Luxury ItemsMoved Ring of Aquila to Early GameMoved Eye of Skadi to Core ItemsRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Enchanted MangoRemoved Iron TalonRemoved TangoRemoved ButterflyRemoved Helm of the DominatorAdded Bottle to Early GameAdded Scythe of Vyse to Extension ItemsRemoved TangoRemoved Enchanted MangoRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved ClarityRemoved Arcane BootsCreated New Tab: "Early Game"Added Clarity to Starting ItemsAdded Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Wind Lace to "Early Game"Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsMoved Guardian Greaves to Core ItemRemoved Observer WardRemoved Animal CourierMoved Scythe of Vyse to Core ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsNew Talent Tree: 10 (+5 All Stats), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (15% Evasion), 25 (+15 Armor)Added Quelling Blade to Early GameAdded Silver Edge to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsAdded Mjollnir to Extension ItemsMoved Desolator to Core ItemsMoved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Extension ItemsRemoved Blight StoneRemoved Blink DaggerNew Talent Tree: 10 (+5 All Stats), 15 (+250 Health), 20 (15% Evasion), 25 (+15 Armor)Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsAdded Tango to Starting ItemsAdded Silver Edge to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsAdded Mjollnir to Extension ItemsMoved Desolator to Core ItemsMoved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Extension ItemsRemoved Blight StoneRemoved Blink DaggerRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Quelling BladeAdded Daedalus to Extension ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Situational ItemsRemoved Eul's Scepter of DivinityAdded Healing Slave to Starting ItemsMoved Force Staff to Core ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsRemoved ClarityRemoved Boots of SpeedRemoved Phase BootsRemoved BottleNew Talent Tree: 11 (+10 Intelligence), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+15% Spell Amplification), 25 (-45s Respawn Time)Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: E Q Q E Q R Q W W T W W E E T R R T T (1. Refraction 2. Meld 3. Psi Blades)New Talent Tree: 10 (-30s Respawn Time, 15 (+125 Cast Range), 20 (6% Spell Amplification), 25 (-4s Dragon Slave Cooldown)New Talent Tree: 11 (-30s Respawn Time), 15 (+50 Damage), 20 (+150 Attack Range), 25 (+40/4% Fiery Soul per Stack)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Soul Ring to "Early Game"Added Magic Wand to "Early GameAdded Arcane Boots to Core ItemsAdded Bloodstone to Core ItemsAdded Shadow Blade to Core ItemsAdded Mjollnir to Extension ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Situational ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsMoved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension ItemsRemoved Phase BootsRemoved Ghost ScepterRemoved Octarine CoreRemoved Scythe of VyseRemoved Shiva'S GuardNew Talent Tree: 11 (+10% Spell Amplification), 16 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+10 Armor), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)Added Black King Bar to Situational ItemsMoved Octarine Core to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: E Q E Q E R E W Q T Q W W W T R R T T (1. Flame Guard 2. Searing Chains 3. Sleight of Fist)New Talent Tree: 10 (+10% Spell Amplification), 16 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+10 Armor), 25 (20% Cooldown Reduction)Moved Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsRemoved TangoRemove Stout ShieldNew Talent Tree: 10 (+175 Mana), 15 (+225 Health), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+20 Strength)Added Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Drum of Endurance to Situational ItemsAdded Shadow Blade to Extension ItemsMoved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsMoved Solar Crest to Extension ItemsRemoved Armlet of MordiggianNew Skill Build: W E E W E R E W W T Q R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Feral Impulse 2. Howl 3. Summon Wolves)Added Iron Talon to Early GameAdded Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsRemoved Helm of the DominatorNew Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E T W R W W T W R T T (1. Summon Wolves 2. Feral Impulse 3. Howl)Moved Vladmir's Offering to Early GameAdded Heart of Tarrasque to Extension ItemsCreated New Tab: "Early Game"Added Morbid Mask to Situational ItemsMoved Phase Boots to "Early Game"Moved Ring of Aquila to "Early Game"Moved Sange & Yasha to Core ItemsMoved Manta Style to Situational ItemsRemoved Helm of the DominatorAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: W E W E W R W E E T Q R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Aphotic Shield 2. Curse of the Avernus 3. Mist Coil)Created New Tab: "Core Items (Radiance)"Added Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsAdded Boots of Speed to Early GameAdded Quelling Blade to Early GameAdded Hand of Midas to "Core Items (Radiance)"Added Radiance to "Core Items (Radiance)"Added Octarine Core to "Core Items (Radiance)"Added Blink Dagger to Extension ItemsAdded Abyssal Blade to Extension ItemsMoved Phase Boots to Early GameMoved Drum of Endurance to Core Items (Offlane)Moved Solar Crest to Core Items (Offlane)Moved Lotus Orb to Situational ItemsRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed TangoRemoved Orb of VenomRemoved Magic WandRemoved Crimson GuardRemoved Sange & YashaRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Observer WardRemoved Ring of ProtectionRemoved Echo SabreNew Skill Build: W Q W Q Q R Q W W T E R E E T E R T T (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Urn of Shadows to "Early Game"Added Solar Crest to Core ItemsAdded Force Staff to Extension ItemsAdded Vladmir's Offering to Extension ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsRemoved Observer WardRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Octarine CoreNew Skill Build: Q W W Q W R Q Q W T E R E E T E R T T (1. Fatal Bonds 2. Shadow Word 3. Upheaval)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"Added Force Staff to Extension ItemsMoved Bottle to "Early GameMoved Hand of Midas to Core ItemsAdded Poor Man's Shield to Starting ItemsAdded Shadow Blade to Core ItemsAdded Mjolnnir to Extension ItemsMoved Desolator to Extension ItemsRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed Healing SalveRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Ring of AquilaRemoved Assault CuirassRemoved ButterflyNew Skill Build: W E Q Q Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Boundless Strike 2. Tree Dance 3. Jingu Mastery)New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Attack Speed), 15 (+275 Health), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+100% Boundless Strike Crit)Created New Tab: "Early Game"Added Observer Ward to Starting ItemsAdded Healing Salve to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Branch to Starting ItemsAdded Boots of Speed to Early GameAdded Urn of Shadows to Core ItemsAdded Observer Ward to Utility ItemsAdded Sentry Ward to Utility ItemsAdded Dust of Appearance to Utility ItemsAdded Smoke of Deceit to Utility ItemsAdded Tome of Experience to Utility ItemsAdded Poor Man's Shield to Situational ItemsAdded Shadow Blade to Situational ItemsAdded Solar Crest to Extension ItemsAdded Vladmir's Offering to Extension ItemsMoved Magic Wand to Early GameMoved Echo Sabre to Situational ItemsRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Diffusal Blade - Level 2Removed Silver EdgeRemoved Eye of SkadiNew Skill Build: Q W E Q Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Impale 2. Spiked Carapace 3. Mana Burn)Added Enchanted Mango x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Stout Shield to Starting ItemsMoved Poor Man's Shield to Core ItemsMoved Bottle to Situational ItemsRemoved Iron TalonMoved Glimmer Cape to Core ItemsNew Talent Tree: 11 (+40% XP Gain), 15 (+90 Gold/Min), 20 (+6 Armor), 25 (+700 Health)Added Urn of Shadows to Situational ItemsAdded Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Extension ItemsRemoved Rod of AtosNew Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Damage), 15 (+6 All Stats), 20 (+300 Health), 25 (-5 Acid Spray Armor)New Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Whirling Axes 2. Berserker's Rage 3. Fervor)New Talent Tree: 10 (+10 Agility), 15 (+6 Armor), 20 (+40 Damage), 25 (+20% Magic Resistance)Added Vladmir's Offering to Core ItemsRemoved Shadow BladeRemoved Ring of AquilaNew Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q T Q R E E T E R T T (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Arc Lightning 3. Static Field)Removed Soul RingRemoved Refresher OrbNew Skill Build: E Q E W W R E W E W T R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Fury Swipes 2. Overpower 3. Earthshock)Added Slippers of Agility x2 to Starting ItemsAdded Silver Edge to Situational ItemsAdded Heaven's Halberd to Situational ItemsAdded Desolator to Situational ItemsMoved Orb of Venom to Early GameMoved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational ItemsRemoved TangoRemoved Morbid MaskRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Sange & YashaRemoved Solar CrestAdded Silver Edge to Situational ItemsAdded Desolator to Situational ItemsMoved Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Situational ItemsRemoved Sange & YashaRemoved Solar CrestNew Skill Build: W Q W Q Q R E Q E T E R E W T W R T T (1. Echo Stomp 2. Natural Order 3. Astral Spirit)Moved Pipe of Insight to Situational ItemsMoved Solar Crest to Extension ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Extension ItemsNew Talent Tree: 10 (+7 Strength), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (+7 Armor), 25 (+40 Duel Damage Bonus)Added Sange & Yasha to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Core ItemsRemoved SatanicAdded Sange & Yasha to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Core ItemsRemoved SatanicNew Talent Tree: 10 (+3 Mana Regen), 15 (+10 Intelligence), 20 (+40 Attack Speed), 25 (10% Spell Amplification)Moved Linken's Sphere to Situational ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: W Q W E W R W E E T E R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Soul Assumption 2 Gravekeeper's Cloak 3. Grave Chill)Added Clarity to Starting ItemsAdded Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Assault Cuirass to Extension ItemsAdded Lotus Orb to Extension ItemsMoved Solar Crest to Core ItemsRemoved Observer WardRemoved Medallion of CourageRemoved Wind LaceNew Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q E E T W R W W T W R T T (1. Flux 2. Spark Wraith 3. Magnetic Field)New Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+30 Damage), 20 (10% Cooldown Reduction), 25 (30% Lifesteal)Moved Shadow Blade to Core ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Situational ItemsMoved Silver Edge to Extension ItemsMoved Hurricane Pike to Extension ItemsRemoved Boots of Travel - Level 2New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q R Q W E E T R W W T W R T T (1. Void 2. Hunter in the Night 3. Crippling Fear)New Talent Tree: 11 (+100 Cast Range), 15 (+25 Attack Speed), 20 (+30 Movement Speed), 25 (+12 Armor)Added Healing Salve to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Talon to Early GameAdded Hand of Midas to Situational ItemsAdded Solar Crest to Situational ItemsAdded Aether Lens to Extension ItemsAdded Octarine Core to Extension ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsMoved Urn of Shadows to Situational ItemsRemoved Pipe of InsightRemoved Force StaffNew Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Nature's Call 2. Teleportation 3. Sprout)New Talent Tree: 10 (+30 Damage), 15 (+20 Intelligence), 20 (+35 Attack Speed), 25 (-40s Respawn Time)Created New Tab: "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Boots of Speed to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Tango to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Clarity to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Iron Branch to "Starting Items (Offlane)"Added Orb of Venom to Situational ItemsAdded Phase boots to Core ItemsRemoved Power TreadsSkill Build: E W E Q E R E W W T W R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Nature's Call 2. Teleportation 3. Sprout)Talent Tree: 10 (+30 Damage), 15 (+20 Intelligence), 20 (+35 Attack Speed), 25 (-40s Respawn Time)Starting Items: Iron Branch, Clarity, Ring of BasiliusStarting Items (Offlane): Boots of Speed, Tango, Clarity, Iron BranchCore Items (Jungle/Offlane): Phase Boots, Magic Wand, Drum of Endurance, Shadow Blade, Orchid of MalevolenceSituational Items: Orb of Venom, Hand of Midas, Desolator, Linken's Sphere, Black King BarExtension Items: Aghanim's Scepter, Hurricane Pike, Silver Edge, Scythe of Vyse, Mjollnir, BloodthornSkill Build: Q W Q E Q T Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Magic Missile 2. Vengeance Aura 3. Wave of Terror)Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+8 All Stats), 20 (+65 Damage), 25 (+20% Vengeance Aura Damage)Starting Items: Tango, Clarity, Iron Branch x2, Healing Salve, Circlet of NobilityEarly Game: Boots of Speed, Ring of AquilaCore Items: Power Treads, Magic Wand, Dragon Lance, Sange & Yasha, Hurricane PikeSituational Items: Helm of Dominator, Desolator, Diffusal Blade - Level 2, Aghanim's Scepter, Linken's Sphere, Manta Style, Silver EdgeExtension Items: Boots of Travel, Black King Bar, Assault Cuirass, Monkey King Bar, Daedalus, ButterflySkill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Purification 2. Degen Aura 3. Repel)Talent Tree: 10 (+60 Gold/Min), 15 (+8 Strength), 20 (+100 Damage), 25 (-16% Degen Aura)Starting Items: Tango, Stout Shield, Orb of VenomEarly Game: Soul Ring, Boots of Speed, Quelling BladeCore Items: Phase Boots, Eul's Scepter of Divinity, Echo Sabre, Sange & YashaSituational Items: Hand of Midas, Drum of Endurance, Vladmir's Offering, Black King Bar, Linken's Sphere, Silver EdgeExtension Items: Boots of Travel, Shiva's Guard, Radiance, Heart of Tarrasque, Abyssal BladeLuxury Items: Boots of Travel - Level 2, Moon Shard, Daedalus, Eye of Skadi, Octarine Core https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

SpiritoftheTunA Profile Joined August 2006 United States 14737 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-01 23:49:25 #6944 pretty sure core items should just be six soulrings there



idk its an improper meme because thats not how slacks plays at all posting on liquid sites in current year

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-05 07:29:24 #6945 Potential New Guides (Part 3) subject to change

Abaddon (Support) Delayed

Enchantress (Offlane) Delayed

Engima (Offlane) Delayed

Morphling (Support) - Offlane Delayed

Mirana (Support) - Roaming Delayed

Nature's Prophet (Offlane) Published

Necrophos (Core) Delayed

Omniknight (Core) - Offlane Published

Treant Protector (Offlane) Delayed

Vengeful Spirit (Core) - Safe Lane Published

Venomancer (Jungle) Delayed



Guides Removed (Part 3)

Ancient Apparition (Core)

Arc Warden (Core/Middle)

Bloodseeker (Offlane)

Dragon Knight (Core/Safe)

Earth Spirit (Core)

Elder Titan (Support)

Oracle (Core)

Shadow Shaman (Core)

Slark (Core/Mid)

Sniper (Core/Safe)

Troll Warlord (Offlane)

Underlord (Support)



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Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6946 Going to do VS & NP before the 6th. I want to wrap up all updates before Kiev https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-04 23:09:35 #6947 Tomorrow I will try to publish Vengeful Spirit Core. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

ahswtini Profile Joined June 2008 Northern Ireland 16336 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-05 09:54:57 #6949 two clarities is overkill, and most ppl dont go for the starting ring of protection. the trend for ranged safelaners that started with morph, is to opt for stat heavy starting items that build into wand immediately (ie. circlet + 3-4 branches + 2x tangoes + maybe a clarity). u have too little hp regen and too much mana regen with the starting items in the guide. with all the branches u buy, u can use them to get even more regen by eating them.



aghs should not be an extension item for a carry venge. situational at best, and even then, it's a costly item that takes up a slot that doesnt really help him do his job "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse

Velzi Profile Joined June 2012 Finland 598 Posts #6950 On April 05 2017 18:52 ahswtini wrote:

two clarities is overkill, and most ppl dont go for the starting ring of protection. the trend for ranged safelaners that started with morph, is to opt for stat heavy starting items that build into wand immediately (ie. circlet + 3-4 branches + 2x tangoes + maybe a clarity). u have too little hp regen and too much mana regen with the starting items in the guide. with all the branches u buy, u can use them to get even more regen by eating them.



aghs should not be an extension item for a carry venge. situational at best, and even then, it's a costly item that takes up a slot that doesnt really help him do his job

her god damnit.



Agreed on 2 clarities, one is absolute maximum u start with, instead more stats and more regen. Venge has decent armor at the start so RoP is only really there for the basi which is kinda okey idea but in practice more stats into wand should be safer option. Personally i would just remove aghs completely but if want it its definitely situational at best. Venge as a right clicker definitely wants MKB mentioned somewhere there especially how often u see radi carriers like aba naga alch right now. her god damnit.Agreed on 2 clarities, one is absolute maximum u start with, instead more stats and more regen. Venge has decent armor at the start so RoP is only really there for the basi which is kinda okey idea but in practice more stats into wand should be safer option. Personally i would just remove aghs completely but if want it its definitely situational at best. Venge as a right clicker definitely wants MKB mentioned somewhere there especially how often u see radi carriers like aba naga alch right now. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822

ahswtini Profile Joined June 2008 Northern Ireland 16336 Posts #6951 agreed, mkb and mjollnir both should be mentioned. i dont even think sny is a good item, hurricane pike almost seems to replace that item. "As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-05 10:40:38 #6952 On April 05 2017 19:04 Velzi wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 05 2017 18:52 ahswtini wrote:

two clarities is overkill, and most ppl dont go for the starting ring of protection. the trend for ranged safelaners that started with morph, is to opt for stat heavy starting items that build into wand immediately (ie. circlet + 3-4 branches + 2x tangoes + maybe a clarity). u have too little hp regen and too much mana regen with the starting items in the guide. with all the branches u buy, u can use them to get even more regen by eating them.



aghs should not be an extension item for a carry venge. situational at best, and even then, it's a costly item that takes up a slot that doesnt really help him do his job

her god damnit.



Agreed on 2 clarities, one is absolute maximum u start with, instead more stats and more regen. Venge has decent armor at the start so RoP is only really there for the basi which is kinda okey idea but in practice more stats into wand should be safer option. Personally i would just remove aghs completely but if want it its definitely situational at best. Venge as a right clicker definitely wants MKB mentioned somewhere there especially how often u see radi carriers like aba naga alch right now. her god damnit.Agreed on 2 clarities, one is absolute maximum u start with, instead more stats and more regen. Venge has decent armor at the start so RoP is only really there for the basi which is kinda okey idea but in practice more stats into wand should be safer option. Personally i would just remove aghs completely but if want it its definitely situational at best. Venge as a right clicker definitely wants MKB mentioned somewhere there especially how often u see radi carriers like aba naga alch right now.



Ok, 1 clarity

I'll add a circlet instead of ROP and a Healing Salve



I personally really like Aghs and I need alternative Extension Items (a 6th one)



Ok MKB, I'll move Aghs to Situational and remove Solar Crest

I like Mjollnir but didn't see the need with AC + S&Y

Was also thinking of Skadi and removing S&Y, but the movement speed is a really nice feeling



Should be published



http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=898788847 Ok, 1 clarityI'll add a circlet instead of ROP and a Healing SalveI personally really like Aghs and I need alternative Extension Items (a 6th one)Ok MKB, I'll move Aghs to Situational and remove Solar CrestI like Mjollnir but didn't see the need with AC + S&YWas also thinking of Skadi and removing S&Y, but the movement speed is a really nice feelingShould be published https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6953 If no more feedback, I will publish today. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-07 11:01:20 #6955 This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the feedback and knowledge of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: Velzi, Sn0_Man, wuweidota400, FuzzyDragon77, Th3Hitman, alfilo_, JTA5456, Brassmoose, Tydefc





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Velzi Profile Joined June 2012 Finland 598 Posts #6956 I just checked the Storm guide and realized theres both Arcane Boots and Bloodstone in core section which is definitely not something u want to do. I do realize u have explained how u want to disassemble arcanes to get BS and go treads after, but i feel like people are not spending their time reading the description but instead just blindly build the items (personal experience few days back) u have listed there.



Im not a huge fan of going for Arcane boots Storm at any point of a game, rather finish my treads before going for BS but i guess its safer to give guide users more mana to spend.



Dunno how u are suppose put the guide if u really want them to go Arcane -> BS -> Treads instead of Treads -> BS. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6957 On April 07 2017 20:18 Velzi wrote:

I just checked the Storm guide and realized theres both Arcane Boots and Bloodstone in core section which is definitely not something u want to do. I do realize u have explained how u want to disassemble arcanes to get BS and go treads after, but i feel like people are not spending their time reading the description but instead just blindly build the items (personal experience few days back) u have listed there.



Im not a huge fan of going for Arcane boots Storm at any point of a game, rather finish my treads before going for BS but i guess its safer to give guide users more mana to spend.



Dunno how u are suppose put the guide if u really want them to go Arcane -> BS -> Treads instead of Treads -> BS.



We can just make it:



Early Game: Boots of Speed -> Soul Ring

Core Items: Power Treads -> Bloodstone -> Orchid of Malevolence



But going Arcane into Bloodstone is not that big of a deal in my opinion in view of how users heavily excessively use mana.



We can just make it:Early Game: Boots of Speed -> Soul RingCore Items: Power Treads -> Bloodstone -> Orchid of MalevolenceBut going Arcane into Bloodstone is not that big of a deal in my opinion in view of how users heavily excessively use mana. On April 07 2017 20:18 Velzi wrote:

Im not a huge fan of going for Arcane boots Storm at any point of a game, rather finish my treads before going for BS but i guess its safer to give guide users more mana to spend.





exactly.



Or Arcane -> BS -> Orchid -> BOT (extension) exactly.Or Arcane -> BS -> Orchid -> BOT (extension) https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2017-04-10 10:31:51 #6958 ed https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

bdonballer Profile Joined October 2014 United States 408 Posts #6959 I am really not a fan of the phantom lancer skill build. Your current build says to go max lance first and then max phantom rush 2nd. Doppleganger in my opinion is a way better skill to max second. The cd gets reduced dramatically and helps you farm faster and have escape available more often. Also, you have phantom rush at lvl 2, when doppleganger needs to be the 2nd skill taken. Doppleganger offers you escape at lvl 2, phantom rush does not.



I am a fan of starting tango salve ring of protection and either clarity or mango. I prefer mango because the regen helps and offers you the chance at a double lance. I carry hard!

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6960 On April 09 2017 12:19 bdonballer wrote:

I am really not a fan of the phantom lancer skill build. Your current build says to go max lance first and then max phantom rush 2nd. Doppleganger in my opinion is a way better skill to max second. The cd gets reduced dramatically and helps you farm faster and have escape available more often. Also, you have phantom rush at lvl 2, when doppleganger needs to be the 2nd skill taken. Doppleganger offers you escape at lvl 2, phantom rush does not.



I am a fan of starting tango salve ring of protection and either clarity or mango. I prefer mango because the regen helps and offers you the chance at a double lance.



I need to take another look, but don't you want his skill build to max Phantom Rush second or first for the extra agi to help with hastening your last-hitting/farm? I need to take another look, but don't you want his skill build to max Phantom Rush second or first for the extra agi to help with hastening your last-hitting/farm? https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

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