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It’s only February, but the journey to the WCS Global Finals is well underway. WCS Leipzig was everything the community could have wanted from 2018’s inaugural event. When the dust settled, heralded prodigy stood victorious as he supplanted three time WCS champion to become king of the foreigner scene. However, he did not have long to rest on his laurels. Two weeks later, perennial fan favorite captured her first major championship at IEM Pyeongchang.



The IEM World Championship represents the next stop on the journey. An almost unfathomable 76 players will battle for one of the most prestigious titles in the game as well as a coveted spot in the WCS Global Finals. In the past, hopes for a foreigner victory would have been met with a despondent shrug: Koreans per usual dominated every iteration with insouciance. Scarlett’s recent triumph offered the first tantalizing glimpse at what what some are hoping will be a year similar to 2016, when an outsider marched into Seoul and did the inconceivable.



The manner in which Neeb dominated KeSPA Cup was so unprecedented, it instantly catapulted him to the echelon reserved for legends like and . Never mind the well-documented apathy of Korean pros at that point in StarCraft history, or Neeb’s intimate familiarity with all aspects of PvP. The symbolic significance surpassed any asterisk you could place on his achievement. Not even ’s bulldozer victory over him at BlizzCon could quell the feverish anticipation surrounding Neeb’s potential.



A year later and his breakout victory is almost an afterthought. That’s how spectacular Neeb was in 2017. In the span of roughly one year, Neeb went from a newly proven force to establishing near-total hegemony over the foreign scene. Despite contentious victories at WCS Austin and Jönköping, he put to rest any misgivings regarding his skill level and pedestrian style. Neeb quickly superseded a disappointing quarterfinals finish at WCS Valencia with an ostentatious display at WCS Montreal: his 17-2 record was reminiscent of performances we had seen from the best Koreans. The year ended on a sour note—Neeb failed to exit his group at BlizzCon—but he remains the top dog in the foreign scene.



If only matches could be played on paper. Perhaps Neeb is merely a big fish in a rapidly expanding pond. For the first time in nearly a year, cracks appeared in Neeb’s flawless facade at WCS Leipzig. His semifinals opponent was a Protoss, the type of easy prey he had effortlessly brushed aside in his championship runs. He surged ahead 2-1 but when the dust settled, to the shock of many, Neeb ended up the loser.



As Neeb fell, was back in the finals for the first time in a year and a half. The German Protoss had his big breakthrough back in 2016, where he topped the WCS Spring Championship before performing impressively at IEM Shanghai and WCS Copa Intercontinental. He did so with a methodical playstyle that appeared plodding to the uninitiated, though complimented by a keen sense of awareness that allowed him to seize critical moments. The combination made him one of Europe’s brightest stars heading into 2017.



Unfortunately, the past year has to be considered an unmitigated disaster. ShoWTimE only reached the quarterfinals once across four WCS events, and he couldn’t even manage those results outside of the circuit. There was something fundamentally wrong with his play: critical errors, born of nerves or even lack of focus, marred his losses. ShoWTimE was capable of far more but no obvious solution was forthcoming.



ShoWTimE’s image as an elite player may have been sullied over the course of 2017, but he surged back to the forefront at Leipzig. Sadly, the tournament didn’t end there to preserve his triumph. It took him five games to announce his return—it only took six for him to be dashed back to Earth. His loss to Serral aside, ShoWTimE’s recent success marks him as one of the foreigners most likely to make a deep run amid the Korean ridden field at the World Championships.



Expectations are not as high for another of 2016’s wunderkinds, . The Dutch Terran’s career has begged us to consider if flashes of high level play can overshadow a dearth of results. For two months in 2016 he escaped the monkey’s paw that accosts all international Terran players. It would have been easy to dismiss his Top 4 finish at Dreamhack Leipzig as luck, the product of a metagame in upheaval. Naysayers would not have such an easy time come July, when uThermal took the next step by winning IEM Shanghai. He lost to Neeb in a rematch of that final in the semifinals of the WCS Copa Intercontinental, but at that point he was established as the elite foreign Terran.



Like ShoWTimE, 2017 was brutal to the Team Liquid Terran. But while ShoWTimE wilted only to be revived, uThermal almost completely vanished. uThermal reached the IEM World Championships on the back of an impressive qualifying campaign, but it is a poor consolation prize given everything surrounding those results. He reached the Round of 8 only once in 2017, at WCS Jönköping, and failed to even match that finish in the first event of 2018. To label it as a fall from grace would be a disservice to its magnitude. In this sense, uThermal’s fortunes reflect the depressing tale of international Terran potency: while Korea is famous for routinely churning out top-tier performers such as Mvp, and with prosperous careers, foreign champions inevitably burn out and fade away after brief flares of success. If he is truly a victim of fate rather than circumstance, the former champion will have to work overtime to keep the spark of hope alight.



With uThermal’s decline, the community briefly fancied an underdog from Brazil as the next Terran hope. ’s first noteworthy result came back in 2014 at IEM Sao Paulo, although he failed to break through for three more years. It was only at WCS Jönköping last year where he staked his claim as head of the foreign space cowboys, sweeping uThermal in the quarterfinals. Consistent Top 8 finishes in the other three WCS events earned him a spot in the WCS Global Finals, making him only one of two foreign Terrans at BlizzCon.



Kelazhur’s unlikely origins and representation of a traditionally disregarded region make him a darling of the passionate fanbase. Unfortunately his rise has recently stalled and it doesn’t appear to be a temporary bump. He pleasantly stole a rare game from Dark at BlizzCon, but was bounced from the tournament promptly thereafter. He couldn’t get past the third group stage at Leipzig and only managed a win over at IEM Pyeongchang. Though he momentarily inspired hope as a worthy successor, all signs point that expectations were misplaced. Like a plethora of past prodigies Kelazhur has regressed back to the mean. Now he finds himself firmly entrenched among the second tier of foreign pros, searching to claw his way back to the top.



And yet, for all those mired waist deep in the mud, managed to break free in 2017. The Artist Formerly Known as MajOr (and WinDy and Princess and CuteAngel and 10 other names lost to antiquity) has finally found a foothold in his perpetual search for reinvention. A strong practice partner with natural aptitude, harboring a regrettable tendency to choke at LANs, SpeCial shed the nerves that made him dismissable in the past. His pseudo-rivalry with Neeb over 2017 became the premier clash in the foreign scene: he lost to the American Protoss in Austin and Jönköping, only to get his revenge in Valencia (Neeb’s only loss in the playoff portion of the WCS Circuit all year). And then...he bombed out to immediately afterwards.



If confidence in his skill was the great barrier that limited SpeCial in the past, vertigo is the daunting obstacle he faces now. No matter how often he can showcase his talent on a regular basis, SpeCial has shown a disconcerting tendency to freeze at inopportune times. SpeCial bombed out in Montreal right after giving everything he could handle at GSL vs The World. He tore through the opening weekend of the WCS Global Finals, toppling presumed favorites Stats and with ease, and continued his run into the semifinals, just to get routed by as if he didn’t belong on the same stage. His recent history resembled a roller coaster more than a steady upwards slope. SpeCial didn’t reach a single finals in 2017 and failed to qualify for GSL Season 1 2018. He bounced back with a strong showing at Leipzig, though it came to an abrupt end at Serral’s hands. He reached the semifinals again at IEM Pyeongchang, stumbling for the second time at that stage in a matter of week, this time to sOs.



Such dismay is, counterintuitively, a step forward for him. For someone who had done so little for so long, it is a tremendous sign of respect that people remark on how SpeCial isn’t living up to expectations. We all know SpeCial is (pun intended) special. He has catapulted himself to the elite tier of competition, a laughable proposition only a few years beforehand. After a huge leap forward in 2017, the Mexican Terran has shown he can hang with the very best in the world. He is only missing the consistency required of a champion. With IEM Katowice coming up, SpeCial is one of the most promising international talents to look out for. The task before him is to convert on that promise and become what so many thought he should, but never would be.





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Written byIt’s only February, but the journey to the WCS Global Finals is well underway. WCS Leipzig was everything the community could have wanted from 2018’s inaugural event. When the dust settled, heralded prodigy Serral stood victorious as he supplanted three time WCS champion Neeb to become king of the foreigner scene. However, he did not have long to rest on his laurels. Two weeks later, perennial fan favorite Scarlett captured her first major championship at IEM Pyeongchang.The IEM World Championship represents the next stop on the journey. An almost unfathomable 76 players will battle for one of the most prestigious titles in the game as well as a coveted spot in the WCS Global Finals. In the past, hopes for a foreigner victory would have been met with a despondent shrug: Koreans per usual dominated every iteration with insouciance. Scarlett’s recent triumph offered the first tantalizing glimpse at what what some are hoping will be a year similar to 2016, when an outsider marched into Seoul and did the inconceivable.The manner in which Neeb dominated KeSPA Cup was so unprecedented, it instantly catapulted him to the echelon reserved for legends like Stephano and NaNiwa . Never mind the well-documented apathy of Korean pros at that point in StarCraft history, or Neeb’s intimate familiarity with all aspects of PvP. The symbolic significance surpassed any asterisk you could place on his achievement. Not even Dark ’s bulldozer victory over him at BlizzCon could quell the feverish anticipation surrounding Neeb’s potential.A year later and his breakout victory is almost an afterthought. That’s how spectacular Neeb was in 2017. In the span of roughly one year, Neeb went from a newly proven force to establishing near-total hegemony over the foreign scene. Despite contentious victories at WCS Austin and Jönköping, he put to rest any misgivings regarding his skill level and pedestrian style. Neeb quickly superseded a disappointing quarterfinals finish at WCS Valencia with an ostentatious display at WCS Montreal: his 17-2 record was reminiscent of performances we had seen from the best Koreans. The year ended on a sour note—Neeb failed to exit his group at BlizzCon—but he remains the top dog in the foreign scene.If only matches could be played on paper. Perhaps Neeb is merely a big fish in a rapidly expanding pond. For the first time in nearly a year, cracks appeared in Neeb’s flawless facade at WCS Leipzig. His semifinals opponent was a Protoss, the type of easy prey he had effortlessly brushed aside in his championship runs. He surged ahead 2-1 but when the dust settled, to the shock of many, Neeb ended up the loser.As Neeb fell, ShoWTimE was back in the finals for the first time in a year and a half. The German Protoss had his big breakthrough back in 2016, where he topped the WCS Spring Championship before performing impressively at IEM Shanghai and WCS Copa Intercontinental. He did so with a methodical playstyle that appeared plodding to the uninitiated, though complimented by a keen sense of awareness that allowed him to seize critical moments. The combination made him one of Europe’s brightest stars heading into 2017.Unfortunately, the past year has to be considered an unmitigated disaster. ShoWTimE only reached the quarterfinals once across four WCS events, and he couldn’t even manage those results outside of the circuit. There was something fundamentally wrong with his play: critical errors, born of nerves or even lack of focus, marred his losses. ShoWTimE was capable of far more but no obvious solution was forthcoming.ShoWTimE’s image as an elite player may have been sullied over the course of 2017, but he surged back to the forefront at Leipzig. Sadly, the tournament didn’t end there to preserve his triumph. It took him five games to announce his return—it only took six for him to be dashed back to Earth. His loss to Serral aside, ShoWTimE’s recent success marks him as one of the foreigners most likely to make a deep run amid the Korean ridden field at the World Championships.Expectations are not as high for another of 2016’s wunderkinds, uThermal . The Dutch Terran’s career has begged us to consider if flashes of high level play can overshadow a dearth of results. For two months in 2016 he escaped the monkey’s paw that accosts all international Terran players. It would have been easy to dismiss his Top 4 finish at Dreamhack Leipzig as luck, the product of a metagame in upheaval. Naysayers would not have such an easy time come July, when uThermal took the next step by winning IEM Shanghai. He lost to Neeb in a rematch of that final in the semifinals of the WCS Copa Intercontinental, but at that point he was established aselite foreign Terran.Like ShoWTimE, 2017 was brutal to the Team Liquid Terran. But while ShoWTimE wilted only to be revived, uThermal almost completely vanished. uThermal reached the IEM World Championships on the back of an impressive qualifying campaign, but it is a poor consolation prize given everything surrounding those results. He reached the Round of 8 only once in 2017, at WCS Jönköping, and failed to even match that finish in the first event of 2018. To label it as a fall from grace would be a disservice to its magnitude. In this sense, uThermal’s fortunes reflect the depressing tale of international Terran potency: while Korea is famous for routinely churning out top-tier performers such as INnoVation and Maru with prosperous careers, foreign champions inevitably burn out and fade away after brief flares of success. If he is truly a victim of fate rather than circumstance, the former champion will have to work overtime to keep the spark of hope alight.With uThermal’s decline, the community briefly fancied an underdog from Brazil as the next Terran hope. Kelazhur ’s first noteworthy result came back in 2014 at IEM Sao Paulo, although he failed to break through for three more years. It was only at WCS Jönköping last year where he staked his claim as head of the foreign space cowboys, sweeping uThermal in the quarterfinals. Consistent Top 8 finishes in the other three WCS events earned him a spot in the WCS Global Finals, making him only one of two foreign Terrans at BlizzCon.Kelazhur’s unlikely origins and representation of a traditionally disregarded region make him a darling of the passionate fanbase. Unfortunately his rise has recently stalled and it doesn’t appear to be a temporary bump. He pleasantly stole a rare game from Dark at BlizzCon, but was bounced from the tournament promptly thereafter. He couldn’t get past the third group stage at Leipzig and only managed a win over HeRoMaRinE at IEM Pyeongchang. Though he momentarily inspired hope as a worthy successor, all signs point that expectations were misplaced. Like a plethora of past prodigies Kelazhur has regressed back to the mean. Now he finds himself firmly entrenched among the second tier of foreign pros, searching to claw his way back to the top.And yet, for all those mired waist deep in the mud, SpeCial managed to break free in 2017. The Artist Formerly Known as MajOr (and WinDy and Princess and CuteAngel and 10 other names lost to antiquity) has finally found a foothold in his perpetual search for reinvention. A strong practice partner with natural aptitude, harboring a regrettable tendency to choke at LANs, SpeCial shed the nerves that made him dismissable in the past. His pseudo-rivalry with Neeb over 2017 became the premier clash in the foreign scene: he lost to the American Protoss in Austin and Jönköping, only to get his revenge in Valencia (Neeb’s only loss in the playoff portion of the WCS Circuit all year). And then...he bombed out to Snute immediately afterwards.If confidence in his skill was the great barrier that limited SpeCial in the past, vertigo is the daunting obstacle he faces now. No matter how often he can showcase his talent on a regular basis, SpeCial has shown a disconcerting tendency to freeze at inopportune times. SpeCial bombed out in Montreal right after giving Stats everything he could handle at GSL vs The World. He tore through the opening weekend of the WCS Global Finals, toppling presumed favorites Stats and TY with ease, and continued his run into the semifinals, just to get routed by soO as if he didn’t belong on the same stage. His recent history resembled a roller coaster more than a steady upwards slope. SpeCial didn’t reach a single finals in 2017 and failed to qualify for GSL Season 1 2018. He bounced back with a strong showing at Leipzig, though it came to an abrupt end at Serral’s hands. He reached the semifinals again at IEM Pyeongchang, stumbling for the second time at that stage in a matter of week, this time toSuch dismay is, counterintuitively, a step forward for him. For someone who had done so little for so long, it is a tremendous sign of respect that people remark on how SpeCialliving up to expectations. We all know SpeCial is (pun intended) special. He has catapulted himself to the elite tier of competition, a laughable proposition only a few years beforehand. After a huge leap forward in 2017, the Mexican Terran has shown he can hang with the very best in the world. He is only missing the consistency required of a champion. With IEM Katowice coming up, SpeCial is one of the most promising international talents to look out for. The task before him is to convert on that promise and become what so many thought he should, but never would be. Credits and acknowledgements



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Pursuit_ Profile Blog Joined June 2012 United States 1319 Posts #2 Awesome article! So excited to see Scarlett doing this well, beating sOs is no small feat. Honestly everyone staying at the foreigner teamhouse in Korea seems to be doing incredibly well lately, whatever they're spiking the juice with there seems to be working. In Somnis Veritas

TheDougler Profile Joined April 2010 Canada 8173 Posts #3



Scarlett's Bracket (bracket 2) isn't much easier though. Bracket 3 is exciting and the best chance for foreigners to qualify, Bracket 1 doesn't have any good foreigners.



IEM Season XII - World Championship I just checked out the open brackets... Bracket 4 is absolutely insane, 8 koreans and neeb (plus Kas, TLO, SortOf, and Harstem).Scarlett's Bracket (bracket 2) isn't much easier though. Bracket 3 is exciting and the best chance for foreigners to qualify, Bracket 1 doesn't have any good foreigners. I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)

pvsnp Profile Joined January 2017 7613 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 21:00:07 #4 Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then, the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though. Denominator of the Universe

AxiomBlurr Profile Blog Joined November 2012 784 Posts #5 On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.



Sharp words that somewhat reduce foreigner achievements but none the less true. Sharp words that somewhat reduce foreigner achievements but none the less true.

Jack-O Profile Joined May 2012 Luxembourg 17 Posts #6 On February 09 2018 05:28 TheDougler wrote:

Bracket 1 doesn't have any good foreigners.







That's harsh man That's harsh man Warp more units!

Charoisaur Profile Joined August 2014 Germany 13347 Posts #7 On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then, the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.

Though sadly there's no new blood in KR and the current generation is slowly getting old and/or have to join military.

It will be only a matter of time until the skill-level has lowered enough that foreigners can compete.

That is if there will still be tournaments in the upcoming years.. Though sadly there's no new blood in KR and the current generation is slowly getting old and/or have to join military.It will be only a matter of time until the skill-level has lowered enough that foreigners can compete.That is if there will still be tournaments in the upcoming years.. INnoVation

Kafka777 Profile Joined December 2015 354 Posts #8 Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but not an excuse to abandon reason. Enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.



The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen. The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen.

Kalera Profile Joined January 2018 United States 328 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 21:37:32 #9



A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments. On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Charoisaur Profile Joined August 2014 Germany 13347 Posts #10 On February 09 2018 06:08 Kafka777 wrote:

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Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but not an excuse to abandon reason. Enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.



The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen. The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen.

? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand. ? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand. INnoVation

Musicus Profile Joined August 2011 Germany 23387 Posts #11 Nice writing, can't wait for the event to start! Maru and Serral are probably top 5.

Kafka777 Profile Joined December 2015 354 Posts #12 ? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand.



Lets be serious. it is not possible for foreign players to play on Korean server. - That's why 6 spots went to Korea. The US server is ok only for NA players, but they didn't really bother. So qualifiers only theoretically offered equal opportunity, in fact they guaranteed more spots for Koreans in final stages of the tournament.. Lets be serious. it is not possible for foreign players to play on Korean server. - That's why 6 spots went to Korea. The US server is ok only for NA players, but they didn't really bother. So qualifiers only theoretically offered equal opportunity, in fact they guaranteed more spots for Koreans in final stages of the tournament..

amyamyamy Profile Joined November 2017 50 Posts #13 Will the games be on Twitch?

ZigguratOfUr Profile Blog Joined April 2012 Iraq 16029 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 22:22:31 #14 On February 09 2018 07:09 Kafka777 wrote:

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? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand.



Lets be serious. it is not possible for foreign players to play on Korean server. - That's why 6 spots went to Korea. The US server is ok only for NA players, but they didn't really bother. So qualifiers only theoretically offered equal opportunity, in fact they guaranteed more spots for Koreans in final stages of the tournament.. Lets be serious. it is not possible for foreign players to play on Korean server. - That's why 6 spots went to Korea. The US server is ok only for NA players, but they didn't really bother. So qualifiers only theoretically offered equal opportunity, in fact they guaranteed more spots for Koreans in final stages of the tournament..



US server is pretty equal (and playable) for Koreans and Europeans. And sure while the way the qualifiers are set up might essentially guarantee 6 Koreans, 3 Europeans and 3 spots up for grabs, the open brackets being in Katowice does give greater ease of participation for Europeans.



The only people would really have grounds to complain about this system are North Americans, and most of the good ones had other circumstances beyond the qualifier system itself anyways. US server is pretty equal (and playable) for Koreans and Europeans. And sure while the way the qualifiers are set up might essentially guarantee 6 Koreans, 3 Europeans and 3 spots up for grabs, the open brackets being in Katowice does give greater ease of participation for Europeans.The only people would really have grounds to complain about this system are North Americans, and most of the good ones had other circumstances beyond the qualifier system itself anyways. Maps I made recently: Nevermore: https://i.imgur.com/NiqR0Rj.jpg | Rubaiyat: https://i.imgur.com/XD3E3vd.jpg | Grand Canal: https://i.imgur.com/kNgyOCo.jpg

SoupKitchenInMyPants Profile Joined February 2018 8 Posts #15 On February 09 2018 06:36 Charoisaur wrote:

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On February 09 2018 06:08 Kafka777 wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but not an excuse to abandon reason. Enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.



The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen. The way qualifiers were organized gave Koreans almost automatically 7-9 spots in round of 24 (only Elazer managed to take one away from them and potentially Neeb or Special could have taken another).. The offline qualifiers will give them another 9-10 spots at least. So when the proper tournaments starts we will have 4-6 foreigners facing about 18 Koreans. The odds are against foreigners in Katowice but then again anything may happen.

? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand. ? the qualifiers were open. Everyone had an equal chance to qualify. If there are more koreans in the tournament it's because they are better players and managed to eliminate the foreigners beforehand.



There were 2 qualifiers held on the Korean server. The ping from Europe to Korea is considered pretty much unplayable which is why no Koreans qualified on the European qualifier. If IEM wanted the qualifiers to be fair they would have held the extra qualifier on the server that has the best ping for everyone worldwide which is NA. The NA qualifier was also scheduled at a time when Neeb and Kelazhur were flying to Leipzig so there are many ways in which the Koreans got favorable treatment in these qualifers at the expense of non-Korean pros. There were 2 qualifiers held on the Korean server. The ping from Europe to Korea is considered pretty much unplayable which is why no Koreans qualified on the European qualifier. If IEM wanted the qualifiers to be fair they would have held the extra qualifier on the server that has the best ping for everyone worldwide which is NA. The NA qualifier was also scheduled at a time when Neeb and Kelazhur were flying to Leipzig so there are many ways in which the Koreans got favorable treatment in these qualifers at the expense of non-Korean pros.

pvsnp Profile Joined January 2017 7613 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 22:37:46 #16 On February 09 2018 06:35 Kalera wrote:

A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.



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On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.



I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.



And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.



If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements just to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.



Hence my distaste. Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements just to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of whatwant Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.Hence my distaste. Denominator of the Universe

ZigguratOfUr Profile Blog Joined April 2012 Iraq 16029 Posts #17 On February 09 2018 07:30 pvsnp wrote:

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On February 09 2018 06:35 Kalera wrote:

A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.



On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.



I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.



And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.



If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene. Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.



It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course. It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course. Maps I made recently: Nevermore: https://i.imgur.com/NiqR0Rj.jpg | Rubaiyat: https://i.imgur.com/XD3E3vd.jpg | Grand Canal: https://i.imgur.com/kNgyOCo.jpg

pvsnp Profile Joined January 2017 7613 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 22:41:55 #18 On February 09 2018 07:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

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On February 09 2018 07:30 pvsnp wrote:

On February 09 2018 06:35 Kalera wrote:

A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.



On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.



I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.



And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.



If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene. Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.



It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course. It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course.

Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.



I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.



Memes are memes, I love memes. Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.Memes are memes, I love memes. Denominator of the Universe

SetGuitarsToKill Profile Blog Joined December 2013 Canada 28387 Posts #19 On February 09 2018 07:41 pvsnp wrote:

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On February 09 2018 07:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

On February 09 2018 07:30 pvsnp wrote:

On February 09 2018 06:35 Kalera wrote:

A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.



On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.



I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.



And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.



If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene. Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.



It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course. It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course.

Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.



I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.



Memes are memes, I love memes. Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.Memes are memes, I love memes.

So why not just think of overhyping recent champions as a meme? So why not just think of overhyping recent champions as a meme? Community News "As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill

pvsnp Profile Joined January 2017 7613 Posts Last Edited: 2018-02-08 23:05:39 #20 On February 09 2018 05:44 AxiomBlurr wrote:

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On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves.



If the foreigners do well at Katowice, against a full field of top Koreans, then I will be convinced. Upsets have happened for years, but consistent success against top Koreans never has. Until then the hype is premature at best and deluded at worst.



Good writing, though.



Sharp words that somewhat reduce foreigner achievements but none the less true. Sharp words that somewhat reduce foreigner achievements but none the less true.

I can't tell if that's a compliment or not, but thanks anyway.



On February 09 2018 07:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

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On February 09 2018 07:41 pvsnp wrote:

On February 09 2018 07:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

On February 09 2018 07:30 pvsnp wrote:

On February 09 2018 06:35 Kalera wrote:

A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.



On February 09 2018 05:35 pvsnp wrote:

Meh, I've gone from ambivalence to distaste on foreigners in general after the lethal overdose of Scarlett hype. Some people are getting way ahead of themselves. Celebrating foreign achievements is great, but enthusiasm is not a substitute for sanity.



Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing. A nice overview of some of the foreign scene. Looking forward to future installments.Distateful of the players because their fans go overboard for a bit? Seems a bit petty. People getting hyped and excited about players indicates the game still has a thriving fanbase. If there wasn't a passionate reaction to a long time presence winning their first Premier tournament with a strong run capped by a surprising upset, well... that would indicate that SC2's time was truly passing.

Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.



I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.



And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.



If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene. Call me petty if you like, but it gets annoying when r/starcraft turns into r/scarlett for several days on end. I saw it live, I don't need a dozen threads to tell me what I already know. Especially since anyone else would get one or two at most.I understand that many fans have been waiting for a long time so I didn't mind at all initially. In fact, I was thinking exactly what you said, that such an enthusiastic reaction is a good sign from the community. But listening to fans rave on and on gets old fast, and this is the most overblown reaction to any tournament I've ever seen in SC2.And that's just the celebration, not even the massive overhype. Yes, it's great Scarlett won a big tournament. No, she is not suddenly the greatest foreigner, the best player, or a gold medalist. No, just because a tournament is held within South Korea does not make it the GSL.If you have to embellish and exaggerate Scarlett's achievements to be happy, then you aren't cheering for Scarlett the player, but rather some idealized version of what you want Scarlett to be. And if you vilify anyone who dares disagree with your fantasy, that is the exact opposite of helping the SC2 scene.



It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course. It's kinda odd that you randomly find this annoying, and not all the ByuN clips, or two gate memes or whatever. Overhyping and exaggerated reactions trending are par for the course.

Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.



I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.



Memes are memes, I love memes. Before this, I thought Byun and Neeb fans were the worst for exactly that reason.I was plenty annoyed about the overhype around Byun and Neeb in 2016, but I also wasn't active on the forums at that time, or else you'd have seen a similar post.Memes are memes, I love memes.

So why not just think of overhyping recent champions as a meme? So why not just think of overhyping recent champions as a meme?

No gloriously high-res pics with BIG BOLD WHITE TEXT. I can't tell if that's a compliment or not, but thanks anyway.No gloriously high-res pics with BIG BOLD WHITE TEXT. Denominator of the Universe

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