NHY Profile Joined October 2010 981 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 21:28:55 #1



First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said:

There is a thread with similar name with incorrect information and it is causing people to believe in false information. So, here it goes.First of all, what Mr. Chae actually said: 프로게이머라는 직업이 사실은 이겨서 상금을 타가서 그걸로 업을 삼는다고 프로게이머라고 생각하지 않아요 프로게이머라는 직업은 승부를 가리는 것들을 시청자분들에게 보여주고 그것들을 시청자 분들이 열광하고 그것을 통해서 승부를 가리는 것을 직업으로 삼는 선수들을 프로게이머라고 저희가 생각을하고 있기 때문에 저희가 시드를 줬던것은 퀀틱 게이밍의 프로토스 프로게이머 나니와 선수였지 스웨덴에서 게임을 잘하는 청년 요한 루세시는 아니였습니다.

"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well."



There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."



Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads. "We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well."There was NO mention of the conduct rule, it being a "punishment", or that he is "an amateur prize money hunter."Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.

PraetorianX Profile Joined September 2010 Sweden 780 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:10:01 #2 Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?



I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem. The best argument against democracy is a 5-minute conversation with the average voter - Winston Churchill

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bro_fenix Profile Joined February 2010 United States 129 Posts #4 Hm, so I guess they wanted to say something along the lines that they invited a good player to play in GSL, but not the character that Naniwa is? I don't really know, this is all pretty confusing (0.o) Life isnt about waiting for the storm to pass... Its about learning to dance in the rain.

CP-Jun Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Australia 278 Posts #5 Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution. SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon

Jhax[IRE] Profile Joined November 2011 Ireland 47 Posts #6 Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum.

Seiniyta Profile Joined May 2010 Belgium 1798 Posts #7 That sounds alot more reasonable and appropiate (although the last bit is a bit weird) and what you'd expect to hear then the sensational "amateur prize hunter" Pokemon Master

creepcolony Profile Joined March 2010 Germany 361 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:14:46 #8 On December 15 2011 03:07 PraetorianX wrote:

Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?



I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem.



I think you dont get what they want to say.



@OP: If that is what Mr. Chae actually said, i have to take back my claims of him beeing unprofessional and more amateurish than naniwa himself. This is quite a good statement i have to say.



edit: Although i dont agree completly with what he said. I think you dont get what they want to say.@OP: If that is what Mr. Chae actually said, i have to take back my claims of him beeing unprofessional and more amateurish than naniwa himself. This is quite a good statement i have to say.edit: Although i dont agree completly with what he said.

legaton Profile Joined December 2010 France 1761 Posts #9 On December 15 2011 03:12 CryingPoo wrote:

Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution.



Euhhh???? Wait, you are telling us that everybody has discussed for hours about a third hand quote? This is becoming priceless. Euhhh???? Wait, you are telling us that everybody has discussed for hours about a third hand quote? This is becoming priceless. No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3

kazie Profile Blog Joined September 2010 256 Posts #10 On December 15 2011 03:13 Jhax[IRE] wrote:

Can't believe more than 1 thread has been made about this whole Naniwa thing. He didn't wanna play the game but he was forced to and as a result he just threw it to get it over with, That's what 99% of human beings do when they are forced to do something they really don't want to do, the bare minimum.

wha? have you worked a day in your life? wha? have you worked a day in your life?

Liquid`Nazgul Profile Blog Joined September 2002 22102 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:17:31 #11



With the last part of the quote he probably means they invited and (still) respect Naniwa for his game, and that the person behind that gamer did the things he did. Some deep shit, maybe some got lost in translation there too.



I really hope it is true that they did not call him an amateur prize money hunter. Would like to see this sourced some more so that we can understand what happened.With the last part of the quote he probably means they invited and (still) respect Naniwa for his game, and that the person behind that gamer did the things he did. Some deep shit, maybe some got lost in translation there too. On December 15 2011 03:12 CryingPoo wrote:

Sorry about misinforming. The quote was from a friend of mine who watched it in Korea which I shouldn't have posted if I wasn't sure about the source. Thank you for your contribution.

That's messed up.. gonna discuss what we want to do with these topics. That's messed up.. gonna discuss what we want to do with these topics. Administrator

OpticalShot Profile Blog Joined October 2009 Canada 6290 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:15:43 #12 Uh I'll give it a shot at clarifying the last statement.

"The person we gave the [Code S] seed to was Quintic Gaming's Protoss progamer Naniwa, not 'pretty good gamer from Sweden called Johan Lucchesi'."



Well, that's basically what was said in the OP, nevermind lol. [TLMS] REBOOT

oni_link Profile Joined July 2010 Germany 140 Posts #13 On December 15 2011 03:07 PraetorianX wrote:

Did someone tell them Johan Lucchesi actually is Naniwa?



I mean, he is who he is. Maybe GomTV should be respectful of that instead of trying to mold him into their personally preferred type of pro-gamer persona. I'm not seeing other tournaments having this problem.

I thought the same, it is rude to split him up into johan lucchesi the guy with no manner, and naniwa the beastly protoss pro gamer.

still the punishment was right and I like admins that stick to the rules for EVERYONE(coca, naniwa).

soccer teams play with their b-team when it doesnt matter, but not with their mascots(aka. probes)

I thought the same, it is rude to split him up into johan lucchesi the guy with no manner, and naniwa the beastly protoss pro gamer.still the punishment was right and I like admins that stick to the rules for EVERYONE(coca, naniwa).soccer teams play with their b-team when it doesnt matter, but not with their mascots(aka. probes) ?:O

wunsun Profile Joined October 2010 Canada 605 Posts #14 I think the intent was that they gave it to Naniwa, the pro player (i.e. gives the best for all games) instead of Johan Lucchesi, who probe rushed. Pretty sure they know that Johan Lucchesi is Naniwa.

Xalorian Profile Joined September 2011 Canada 427 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-14 18:18:13 #15 On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.



So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.



So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".



how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour? So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour?

HappyChris Profile Joined October 2011 1534 Posts #16 Im so confused

stokes17 Profile Joined January 2011 United States 1409 Posts #17 So does he(Naniwa=Johan) have a code S seed or no? I am so very confused by that statement.

Mise Profile Joined August 2010 Finland 580 Posts #18 On December 15 2011 03:19 stokes17 wrote:

So does he(Naniwa=Johan) have a code S seed or no? I am so very confused by that statement.

No. He had it, but lost it and it was given to Sen. No. He had it, but lost it and it was given to Sen.

NHY Profile Joined October 2010 981 Posts #19 On December 15 2011 03:16 Xalorian wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 15 2011 03:04 NHY wrote:

Please limit the discussion in this thread to what was said during today's Blizzard cup Korean stream and discuss the issue of NaNiwa & Code S seed in 100 other threads.



So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.



So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".



how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour? So... THEY GAVE THE SEED, therefore they are taking it back, therefore Naniwa is indeed losing it because of what he did.So, it's not about "not getting invited anymore"... they taked back the seed. There was indeed a "contract".how can we trust any of those source, anyway, since it does seem like translations are changing every hour?



1) Stay on topic please

2) I don't know how you can read what I wrote like that. 1) Stay on topic please2) I don't know how you can read what I wrote like that.

CP-Jun Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Australia 278 Posts #20 I also have changed the post that I made and made a referral to your thread. Once again I am deeply sorry. SlayerS_Min's Translator I Voluntary translator for the community I Commentator during Min's stream I Own channel coming soon

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