President Donald Trump‘s lawyer Rudy Giuliani seems to have stepped in it during another interview.

He also may have possibly revealed a bit too much.

During an interview with the New Yorker that was published on Monday, Giuliani first said — as proof the BuzzFeed story was wrong — that he listened to tapes.

Then, he insisted there were no tapes.

In response to a question about how he knew that the Robert Mueller disputed BuzzFeed story was false, Giuliani said this:

Because I have been through all the tapes, I have been through all the texts, I have been through all the e-mails, and I knew none existed. And then, basically, when the special counsel said that, just in case there are any others I might not know about, they probably went through others and found the same thing.

Then, when The New Yorker’s Isaac Chotiner rightly asked him to explain what tapes he meant, Giuliani immediately backtracked.

“I shouldn’t have said tapes,” Giuliani insisted. “They alleged there were texts and e-mails that corroborated that Cohen was saying the President told him to lie. There were no texts, there were no e-mails, and the President never told him to lie.”

Chotiner then pressed if he had listened to tapes.

“No tapes,” Giuliani replied. “Well, I have listened to tapes, but none of them concern this.”

The interview was published on the same day as Giuliani issued a statement claiming that his Moscow Trump Tower statements were “hypothetical” after just one day before he seemed to admit his client — the president of the United States — had conversations about a Trump Tower Moscow deal during the 2016 campaign.

The New York Times reported on Monday that people close to Trump are getting exasperated by Giuliani’s often bizarre and contradictory interviews and clarifications.

Read the full interview here.

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