NADER: What I would have done after September 11 is invoked the doctrine of hot pursuit under international law, to go after and apprehend the backers of the attackers.[...]



O'REILLY: 'Hot pursuit.' Would you bomb? Would you bring in the military to do what they did to Afghanistan?



NADER: Well, here's where there are different views on military strategy. I would not burn down a haystack in order to look for a needle. And they still haven't found the needle, by the way.



O'REILLY: No, but they removed the Taliban with very few U.S. casualties.



NADER: Yes, but you see, there's tremendous suffering going on. And I know it's not like the suffering of our people, because we're always more sensitive to our people. But far more civilians are dying, refugees, disease, death, you know, freezing to death, starvation, kids. I mean, these are real human beings. [...]



O'REILLY: But you still haven't told me how you're going to get bin Laden, Omar and remove the Taliban. How would you have done that?



NADER: You'd have to use military force. You'd have to invoke international law. You'd have to go after...



O'REILLY: But you don't want bombing?



NADER: Oh, why bomb massive amounts of Afghanistan, which we're going to have to rebuild with taxpayer dollars and not get them?



O'REILLY: Because it brought the Taliban down. [...]



NADER: Well, it's a lot easier to get into Afghanistan than to get out. And what do we have now? Total war lordism, the thugs are back, banditry, brutality. The interim government doesn't even control Kabul. And so we're getting mired, more and more.



O'REILLY: That's a good point. But I still don't know how you would have driven the Taliban from power and have bin Laden on the run? If you're not going to use air power because you don't want civilian casualties, and you don't want massive U.S. casualties, what do you do? Send in 50,000 ground troops to do the job? You wouldn't have done that, would you?



NADER: No, I wouldn't. It wouldn't have required that.



O'REILLY: So all right, yes.



NADER: Spies, bribes and commandos, a very surgical effort.