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20 Sep 2020 09:37:00

Hearing Liverpool have been given permission to speak to Anderlecht's Jermey Doku. Believable 0 0 Unbelievable

IVAN 20 Sep 2020 11:38:04

I doubt that after Jota. Agree 0 0 Disagree

The Southern Red Reply To Above Rumour Close

20 Sep 2020 07:55:53

Morning eds n reds



Ed2, do you see AOC being sold in this transfer window.



I like him as he offers something i little different and he seems to give 100%. But i saw stat about how many games he has actually played since joing us, boy has he been injured a lot.



What kind of fee would we expect. as he is still only 27/ 28 i think. Believable 0 0 Unbelievable

{Ed002's Note - I would doubt it as it would further dilute the European squad size. And it is unclear when he will return from injury.} wiltshire red 20 Sep 2020 08:41:52

Thanks ed. Going to be a busy day on here i think. Agree 0 0 Disagree

wiltshire red 20 Sep 2020 09:21:10

Who's going to buy an injured player?

Ox has a contract until 2023. He's a well-liked member of the squad with a big personality, homegrown and a good player when he's fit. So I can envisage him staying until the end of his contract and then being let go, similar to Lallana and Sturridge. Agree 4 0 Disagree

Jurgen Meister Reply To Above Rumour Close

20 Sep 2020 00:54:39

Hi ed002,



Is there any interest in Shaqiri and Origi? Surely we have to offload some players. Thank you. Believable 0 0 Unbelievable

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing new - Liverpool are working hard to sell players and must move on two of the Non HG - Karius and Grujic would be the first I would think.} Valent 20 Sep 2020 09:59:51

Can see it being difficult to move karius on. but origi, shaqiri and grujic surely will go to other clubs. they're all decent players and could improve other teams easily. Agree 0 0 Disagree

magico Reply To Above Rumour Close

18 Sep 2020 20:09:49

Ed's I've read that Liverpool have contacted Schalke Today regarding Kabak. Do you believe this be true or is it recycled news? Many Thanks. Believable 0 0 Unbelievable

{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anything new but Ozan Kabak (CB) has been of past interest to both Manchester sides, Inter Milan and Bayern Munich but the asking price has always been see as high, although it seemed to be something between €35M and €40M it could have halved due to the pandemic and Schalke having financial issues. The interest of the Manchester sides when he left Galatasaray for Stuttgart and he hit an age where he could never qualify as Home Grown in England - and that is something Liverpool should concern themselves with as well. I am not so sure he is the starter Liverpool have been looking for, but he will be cheaper than both Llorente and Diego Carlos and could still push Joe Gomez in to the background. He is well thought of by Borussia Dortmund who wanted Tanguy Kouassi as a replacement for Toprak and Belardi but he moved to Bayern Munich resulting in their making an approach and being told he is not for sale - but they have declared an interest. Schalke say they have also been approached by Juventus and Leicester. A far better option for Liverpool than Mandi.} Hersey7 19 Sep 2020 10:39:31

If yesterday was anything too go by watching kabak he looked like a thug who wrestles in his spare time and blagged his way on the pitch not a central defender . Agree 1 0 Disagree

hailstones 19 Sep 2020 11:23:11

If Klopp wants him it's a no brainer, other than Karius and arguably Grujic he hasn't got many wrong. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Maneminamo 19 Sep 2020 11:26:26

Thanks Ed002. Much appreciated. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Hersey7 19 Sep 2020 15:14:02

It's a matter of personal opinion I know, but Keita has been a bigger flop than Grujic. The guy hasn't even been given an opportunity to show his ability under regular season and high pressure situations, yet. Even Hoever got more opportunities than Grujic. Agree 4 0 Disagree

ArAy1969 19 Sep 2020 20:29:00

RA definitely, Keita has been my biggest disappointment since Harry Kewell, both excellent at their previous clubs but complete bo**ock* for Liverpool.

Grujic came as an unproven talent and I still believe he could play in the Premier, but not top four. Agree 4 0 Disagree

shughes55 19 Sep 2020 21:13:16

shughes55 to be fair to Harry Kewell he was all ready past his best when we signed him few bad injuries he never really got over. But Keita has just been a waste of time and money. Agree 0 0 Disagree

grino75 19 Sep 2020 22:25:17

Was their interest Shaqiri from Sociedad, do you think that can be used as a make weight for Llorente. Similar to the Hoever to Wolves deal. Agree 0 0 Disagree

Harry the Red 20 Sep 2020 04:03:47

Apart from the Thiago deal, we have signed 2 players out of the blue. I won't be surprised if we did it again. In fact, I'm hoping that we do. Agree 3 0 Disagree

{Ed0666's Note - it really turns me on when Liverpool pull these rabbit out of hat covert transfers. Long may it continue. DAPred 20 Sep 2020 07:18:21

Keita is being slagged and Kewell was brought into the picture.

Honestly, when those transfers happened, weren’t we fans excited?

Too bad it didn’t turned out the way we want.

There might yet be time for Keita. I just hope we do not lose too much money if it doesn’t. Benteke was not too bad a transfer in that we don’t lose money (although that one, I wasn’t excited from the beginning)

Grujic, extremely harsh to label that as a failure. I would say it is a good buy since we are likely going to make a profit out of it. Agree 0 0 Disagree

waynechai 20 Sep 2020 08:09:23

It is nigh on impossible to have a 100% success rate in the Tm, but our management team does pretty well. Naby is surely worth half of what we paid as a makeweight in a swap deal, however, with Thiago and Jota on board now, the standard in the squad has been raised considerably, which should have a really positive effect on the rest of the players.



Personally i think Ox and Naby are competing for their futures at LFC now and so need to raise their game, which i think they will do.

I love the way we squad build, allowing ample opportunity and time and then adding quality on top which increases the competition whilst remaining inclusive to those on the periphery.



I can not wait to see this side evolve. Agree 0 0 Disagree

spaceman 20 Sep 2020 08:12:36

Seville are notoriously excellent in the TM but if Carlos wants to join us and we have plenty of sales lined up, there is still a chance he could arrive, right Ed?

I think the whole 'we are broke' narrative has been partly true but also partly negotiating tactic.

a world class, proven, robust (mostly injury free) CB would really take us to another level. Agree 0 0 Disagree

{Ed002's Note - The lack of money is not a negotiating tactic.} spaceman 20 Sep 2020 09:08:51

I've seen carlos play mainly in the Europa league where he gave away penalties like they were going out of fashion.

Not impressed with him to be honest, I would prefer if we developed what we already have instead of getting him . Agree 1 0 Disagree

Emre_can_can 20 Sep 2020 09:25:07

Whatever about the money I disagree that Carlos would take us to another level. What level? How would he improve the team so much more than with Gomez in it? Thiago will improve the team and squad and give us new options. A new CB would only have marginal gains, if any. Agree 0 0 Disagree

Jurgen Meister Reply To Above Rumour Close

19 Sep 2020 05:38:36

According to James Pearce we are only paying 10% of the Jota fee now, about £4 million, and we’ve only paid £5 million upfront for Thiago. So we’ve added Jota and Thiago this season for £9 million.

That’s excellent business. Believable 10 0 Unbelievable

Thunderbird 2 19 Sep 2020 05:54:48

How good is that! Both top buys. Loving how we are doing these deals. Its like leasing these players yr on yr. Can we lease koulibally now as well? 🤣🤣🤣. Agree 2 0 Disagree

Studoc 19 Sep 2020 06:53:03

FYI, Jota beat Trent in the ePremier League Invitation Final - so we now have a champion in eSport. Agree 3 0 Disagree

kwkhong 19 Sep 2020 08:12:40

On the never never. Agree 2 0 Disagree

MattBea 19 Sep 2020 09:18:26

It's amazing business and and Edward's masterclass. However, how many fans will forget that we are still paying these deals off in future windows and complain that FSG aren't backing Klopp with any money or can't understand that we can win prize money but can't spend it. Agree 10 0 Disagree

RedQ 19 Sep 2020 09:39:10

Trying not to put a negative spin on things but it's worth considering that paying such a small amount up front might have a negative effect of future transfer windows, the still has to be paid somewhere down the line and it could potentially be worse financially next Summer (no gate receipts, circa £84 million of the bottom line) . Just saying like. Agree 7 0 Disagree

The Irish Rover 19 Sep 2020 10:17:22

It's a fair point about future finances, but with this squad right now we might not need anyone next summer.

We've assembled a well equipped squad. Agree 0 0 Disagree

EasyBall 19 Sep 2020 11:01:38

Unless we have any horrendous injuries or big out goings, I expect the next 12 months to be very quiet in terms of transfers, but that's okay. The only thing we really need now is a CB. We've strengthened the attack with Minamino and Jota, and our MF is looking pretty stacked with the likes of Grujic and Thiago. Defense is pretty good and we got cover for Robbo. All in all looking like a very well rounded squad. Agree 0 0 Disagree

{Ed002's Note - Grujic won't be part of it - he is one of they players who has to leave.} RH18 19 Sep 2020 15:59:47

With deals like this. I think they are taking into account C.V.. Sala. mane will be gone next year and jota hopefully with fill the boots. IMO dembele will be looked at as a loan to see if he can fill the gap. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Riomazy 20 Sep 2020 02:43:39

The likely pattern is that over next few years we will continue to strenghten our financial growth and this summer needed us to manage our spending efficiently so the fact we could still add 2 top players and not need to pay any substantial amount over next 12 months is the best deal possible. Surely we won't be as restricted in future years to struggle with paying those instalments that will hopefully turn out to be bargain buys as those 2 players bring us the quality that we often see clubs spending much more to add similar rated quality. Agree 0 0 Disagree

Har_red92 20 Sep 2020 08:14:42

Can see Sarr being brought in as well at some point, in prep for the boys to move on, which would be totally fair after 4 years good service. I wonder if Mbappe would dare choose us over Real. Agree 0 0 Disagree

spaceman Reply To Above Rumour Close

18 Sep 2020 23:27:46

Jota will go through tomorrow morning. I reckon I’ve worked it out on my own insider knowledge:



I got my mum and dad the anfield stadium tour for my dads birthday and I’d booked it for 11am tomorrow morning. Then someone from the anfield office rang me today asking to rearrange because the stadium was going to be closed for some ‘operational thing’ - he didn’t give any specifics.



They must be closing it to the public so they can do the pictures for jota inside the changing rooms/ tunnel/ pitch etc! Believable 8 0 Unbelievable

MarkH92 18 Sep 2020 23:37:14

Can he play against Chelsea he was signed tonight. Agree 1 0 Disagree

hailstones 18 Sep 2020 23:43:26

Old school rumour right there. Agree 7 0 Disagree

6Times 19 Sep 2020 01:50:21

Jota can't be included vs Chelsea as the deadline to have players registered to feature this weekend was 12 noon on Friday. Thiago was signed in time but any player coming in since 12pm can't be involved. Agree 2 0 Disagree

Har_red92 19 Sep 2020 02:48:34

This has been a great transfer window, wow - the players that might not make the bench! Agree 2 0 Disagree

KingCarlos 19 Sep 2020 03:20:47

Sorry to hear Diogo's tour has delayed your Dad's birthday tour. Many happy returns! I'm sure he'll make it up to him with some delightful goals and assists.

Maybe even starting against Lincoln! Hooray! :) Agree 5 0 Disagree

Jurgen Meister 19 Sep 2020 03:24:10

Love it. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Salah 19 Sep 2020 07:49:18

Don’t think Thiago was done in time. Klopp said he couldn’t be part of the squad in his interview. Although I guess Klopp could be mistaken. Either way, I doubt he will be included until he gets some training with the team. Hope I’m wrong though. Agree 0 0 Disagree

Cotsi 19 Sep 2020 10:06:25

Sorry to put a negative on things. Jota is a very inconsistent player. On his day he’s right up there, but he doesn’t have many of them. He’ll be warming the bench for most of the time Nuno’s just got the deal of a lifetime. Agree 1 0 Disagree

PNA 19 Sep 2020 11:29:41

That's okay, PNA. There's always one. But if we actually deal in facts then Jota's statistics are actually very similar to Mane's when at Southampton. Klopp and his coaches didn't do too bad a job of turning him into a top player now did they? Agree 1 0 Disagree

Jurgen Meister 19 Sep 2020 11:25:54

@PNA. Isn't that what Klopp and the coaching staff are employed to sort out?



You could have said the same thing about Wijnaldum when he was at Newcastle, but he's been very consistent. Also Mane was only flashes of brilliance here and there when he was at Southampton. Having better players around you brings out the best in you. Agree 3 0 Disagree

EpicPotato 20 Sep 2020 03:34:06

Jota is only 23 yet has played a lot of football for last 4 or 5 years where it is uncommon to see players have consistency at that young age. Were the likes of salah, mane, de bruyne, son or the other best league attackers playing at a consistent level in the top leagues between the age of 20 and 23? Consistency is a trait that is demanded with more experience and young players should get less scrutiny at that age. It becomes an issue if there's no improvement over next couple of seasons. I know jota can look electric in 1 game and then be quiet for another 2 or 3 which is not good enough for our level but his output each season shows he can rack up good numbers for such a young age. His role at wolves wasn't always the best system for him to flourish and I think it's clear that his strenghts are far more likely to fit into how we set up. The energy and support that Robertson and our midfield will bring when combining from the left side and Firmino or whoever else creating spaces for him while salah or mane looking to give him options he could become far more effective and consistent. Jimenez was nearly always the only quality he had to work with in attack and with midfielders who never run beyond the ball in support. Mane was very similar in terms of going hot and cold until he settled at us where we lined up with different players and tactical approach that lifted his game. Agree 0 0 Disagree

Har_red92 Reply To Above Rumour Close

18 Sep 2020 23:11:45

Jota is done £41m rising to £45m with Hoever going the other way for £9m rising to £13.5m with a 15% sell on.



Liverpool will only pay 10% this window



__________________. Believable 4 0 Unbelievable

adamski94 18 Sep 2020 23:27:53

Dunno how they pulled that off!

45m steep enough. Agree 3 0 Disagree

Jay dub red. 19 Sep 2020 00:03:46

😂 now people are complaining that we are spending too much. Agree 9 0 Disagree

Thunderbird 2 19 Sep 2020 00:22:04

To be honest, I’m not fussed about the cost. Jota’s a good player, I’m happy to hear that we’ve gone for him. Agree 3 0 Disagree

6Times 19 Sep 2020 02:28:01

If we had that much, wonder why we didn’t pounce on Timo. Maybe, they wanted 48m outright for Timo. The payment terms for Jota is amazing albeit steep for a player who is plateauing in Wolves. Agree 1 0 Disagree

{Ed0666's Note - his wages would have been astronomical for a sub. kwkhong 19 Sep 2020 07:36:59

I also think the club wanted Werner to wait for the summer and he didn't want to. Could have been a deadline on his release clause or he himself. Agree 1 0 Disagree

ArAy1969 19 Sep 2020 11:27:02

@kwkhong. Leipzig wouldn't have accepted just 10% up front. Agree 0 0 Disagree

EpicPotato 19 Sep 2020 07:48:55

So are Thiago's ed 🤔. Agree 0 0 Disagree

{Ed0666's Note - I doubt Thiago is coming to sit on the bench mate The Irish Rover Reply To Above Rumour Close

18 Sep 2020 20:40:14

Delighted with Thiago and the apparently imminent arrival of Jota, but where's the money coming from?



Are confident enough of offloading Grujic, Wilson, Karius, maybe Origi or Wijnaldum that we're pressing ahead knowing we'll ultimately break even (ish) . Or are we borrowing?



Or is this a bad question that'll give an Ed a headache? Believable 1 0 Unbelievable

- Something Red - 18 Sep 2020 23:11:22

Why are you trying to kill the buzz mate? We’ve won everything in last couple of years playing great football. Why does money concern you? there are better people at the club than us to take care of that. Enjoy the ride or you will miss it. Agree 8 0 Disagree

scouse john L8 18 Sep 2020 23:11:24

Trust Edwards and fsg. They know what they’re doing. Agree 4 0 Disagree

SupaReds 19 Sep 2020 01:24:32

It is called Creative Accountancy from Fenway. Agree 2 0 Disagree

Yuri01 19 Sep 2020 01:24:49

This has me worries that some "shock" deal will come out of this, and Mane's leaving. Agree 3 0 Disagree

mftonjes 19 Sep 2020 02:45:00

How can you be concerned with money?

Win the Champions league - spend nothing

Win the league - spend less than the competitors.

Liverpool have access to the cash to buy whoever they want without coming anywhere close to distress.

Also, who cares if they borrow? Every business borrows money to better itself. (LFC has always been a business btw) Agree 1 0 Disagree

{Ed0666's Note - I’m not sure we have the money to buy whoever without stress at all Mr Risdale. christos 19 Sep 2020 02:57:01

People need to be clearer on terms of how transfers are agreed before questioning financial sense. Thiago will only cost us 5mil this year and 5mil each of following 3 summer. Jota is not signing on the condition we pay a big lump now. he's going to be on a 5 year contract and because Liverpool are strong now clubs will be easier to agree to future bonuses or add ons. We see our players winning individual awards, top of goal scoring lists, club titles looking more common so those add on payments are easier to negotiate. Apparently we only more than 20 mil for thiago if he wins either league, CL or ballon d'or in his contract length so jota likely to have clauses as no chance we pay any big money this year. We will sell players which is obvious but it was silly to think we had to wait to get a certain amount which was then allowing us to spend instantly. For example it was possible that coutinho winning the European cup at any stage during his Barcelona contract length meant we would receive a lump of payment that was not guaranteed in the figure that was publically named as total cost. The likes of Danny ings having such a strong season and reaching accolades etc may be reasons behind us getting earlier than expected income. Jota will likely be balanced in our books with the likes of Wilson, shaqiri, origi or Brewster now seemingly on the market. With 2 or even 3 not being needed they will easily pay the jota cost and more. Hoever brings in 10mil as does lovren so 20 mil at least income for rarely needed defenders.



It's not so simple as thinking we can't deal with transfers until the minute we officially anounce a sale and just get that price immediately in the bank to spend. We've obviously been planning on thiago and jota for a period of time with realistic prediction of what players will leave and earn us so financial impact will never be a wishful gamble. We moan and get frustration but we never have any clue to what is happening within so always presume that activity in the public eye represents the activity in real life. Why would we actually operate under that strategy openly? Every other club would get negotiation strenght if that was so obvious. Bayern would be able to be stubborn if knowing that thiago was wanted only after gini for example left and we were in need for his replacement. If we tried to immediately offer decent money for a CB after lovren left clubs could have held out for more. It's smart business that we have prioritised the areas we weren't yet desperate to fill. I expect we now focus on shipping out the weaker players who thiago and jota will take upgrade while adding another defender at some point when the price best suits us instead oflooking forced to replace our defensive outgoings. Agree 3 0 Disagree

{Ed0666's Note - you took my advice well done sir and Thankyou. Har_red92 19 Sep 2020 05:57:40

OmG har has used paragraphs, well done sir 😄. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Its a coming 19 Sep 2020 07:53:57

That grammarly software is good, isn't it? 😂. Agree 1 0 Disagree

ArAy1969 19 Sep 2020 07:54:47

Christos, obviously haven’t frequented the page much recently. Ed002 has repeatedly explained that we had pre spent much of our tournament winnings. I am a little concerned with where this money is coming from but I am also not Liverpool’s accountant, wish I was. Any recruiters lurking I’m fully qualified, come get me ;) . Either way, I trust the club to be doing the right thing and I imagine we are confident in sales of out of favour players rather than Mane. Agree 1 0 Disagree

Cotsi 20 Sep 2020 00:23:11

Cotsi, it isn't possible to pre-spend money. Businesses invest according to their anticipated cashflow. ED002 is wrong.

The windfalls from winning the CL and EPL might lower the debt % but the winnings certainly weren't "prespent" as that isn't how any of this works. Agree 0 0 Disagree

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