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Welcome to the second part of our “Finders” investigation, where, in the first part, we talked about the first few days of “The Miami Incident”, where 2 men, allegedly associated with the cult, were arrested. This lead to a full blow investigation, taking major twists and turns, leading down a rabbit hole that no one has ventured into, or has dared to venture into since.

If you haven’t read the first part yet, it is extremely recommended that you read it first to get up to speed on the investigation. Without further ado, let us jump right back into the thick of things.

When we last left off, we had covered the first few days of the investigation, from the suspects, to the children’s condition, to the van and its contents, to the witnesses. This has set up the base for what we are about to venture into, which begins to shed light on the true connections of the Finders and pizzagate, as well as connections to the 1980s satanic “scare”.

Be mindful, however, some of the things you may read could be disturbing to some readers. Please read at your own risk and be opened to learning and connecting the dots along the course of the investigation.

February 8th, 1987 (Part I)

On the fifth day of the investigation, things began to take a turn for the strange and unexpected. This two page document is where the finders are indirectly implicated in the case of “child abuse” in Tallahassee.

According to the document, on February 5th, A police intern for the communication sector was walking on the Florida State University campus, when he found a small laptop left in a phone booth in front of the Campus Library.

The employee took the laptop home with him, and attempted to access the laptop in order to identify the owner of said laptop. After gaining access to the computer, the employee found messages, and brought it to the Police department.

Investigators copied the messages, and found that the information in the messages were related to a group called “The Finders”, in which the friends of the owners of the laptop were the ones arrested in Tallahassee.

February 8th, 1987 (Part II)

Later in the day, a second part of the report was published and added to the growing pile of details and other information. However, what was special about this part is that this is where the Tallahassee case begins to intertwine with another case that Washington D.C. Metro police were working on.

The case in question in Washington D.C. was also about the finders, and was an investigation into their members, practices and motives.

Narrative Summary

Shortly after the investigation launched, the Tallahassee police officers interviewed Mary, one of the six children discovered during the arrests of the two men.

The investigator spoke to Mary, who was six at the time and the oldest member of the group, and was able to find out her mother’s name, her home address and the number associated with the house, which was the same as Ammerman and Houlihan.

The investigator then questioned Mary on the purpose of the trip, which she replied that the six children were being “weaned” from their mothers and that they were home-schooled during this time. Again, they did not see their mothers after Christmas and shortly left after that time.

When asked about her home, Mary stated that they were not allowed in the house by the “game caller”, also known as Marion Pettie, the head of the finders group. What Pettie would do was that he would send notes though the TRS-80 computer, and the two men would jot down notes and follow the directions exactly.

However, when asked about sexual abuse, Mary was extremely hesitant to answer at first, and became evasive. She then denied any inappropriate behavior by these adults and wanted to end the interview.

The investigators also interviewed Max and continued to interview Mary, which they described games they “played”, and what they did when they were not. Mary also stated that the Van was registered from “The warehouse”, which the children would go sometimes. The children also recalled at Christmas time, seeing their mothers walk down the stairs naked, and went along with the concept as a game.

The investigators then contacted DC Metro for information about the group and the individuals implicated. When the investigators in DC attempted to contact the residence, the phone went to voicemail, containing some sort of “biblical” passage.

Other info:

Detective Jim Bradley of the Metro Intelligence Unit in DC contacted the Tallahassee PD and stated that the DC metro had received search warrants to look for any children who were possibly at the W street house and the 4th street location.

It was also learned that HRS, or the doctors that examined the six children, found that Mary and Max did, in fact, have injuries consistent to sexual abuse, and that John Paul did have bite marks faded into bruises, in which whether they were adult or child bite marks were not known.

Upon further investigation of the van’s contents, A poem, called “The Ballad of Ballads” was found and described the warehouse in question, a house in “the mountains”, Miami, Hawaii, San Diego, and China. The computer discs recovered in the van were program discs, and not data discs.

Meanwhile, Metro DC executed a search warrant at the warehouse, and found computer goods, a hot tub, sauna, books (with some containing info about “mind control” a satellite disk on the roof, and various rooms roped off.

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The FBI becomes involved, and interviewed Ammerman’s brother, David, who stated that he had not seen his brother in three or four years, up until 2 weeks before his arrest. When Douglas visited his parents, he had brought B.B. along with him, and claimed he was his son, who then stated that he was going to Miami, and that Douglas gave a letter to his brother, David, who turned it over to the FBI.

The letter had 2 papers in it. One was a handwritten letter signed by a Mr. Stuart Silverstone, in which the letter contained that Ammerman was heading to China through Hawaii, and was headed with “GUNG-HO TRADERS, 1307 4th Street NE, Washington D.C.” The other letter, listed for Ammerman’s mother, thanked her for having a “stud” son and described his genitals, signed by “the wives of Gung-Ho”. Suspect Ammerman refused to talk with his brother.

At the same time, several outside leads were given to the FBI in relation to the case, mainly from the Gainesville, Florida area, and also in New York, where one of the Suspect’s father was located, and sent investigators to interview relatives or other witnesses.

Some children were moved to a tree house in Tallahassee and were put in protective custody, but not before a bomb threat was called into the Tree house the next day by an unknown caller.

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The FBI still received leads from the Gainesville area, and attempted to receive a search warrant for the van and have an agent go though the computer, discs, floppy disks, etc.

An investigator believed that one of the children, Mary, was a missing child, named Michelle Dorr. This was later debunked, as the mother of Michelle Dorr refuted that Mary was NOT her daughter. However, the investigator requested that the 35mm picture of Mary that was taken the day before be sent to the mother and have her take a look.

Later that day, the investigator received a call from Felix E. Knauth, who claimed to be the grandfather of Ben, one of the children recovered. The grandfather stated that Ben’s real name was Gaylon Knauth, which he could not confirm, but reassured that his Ex-wife and his daughter could confirm.

When Knauth last saw “Ben’s” mother, Kristen, five years ago, he had went to Gainesville to see his daughter, and was manipulated about his daughter’s life, which she was pregnant at the time, into not seeing her again. When he tried to visit his ex-wife a year later at that W street house, he knocked on the door and got no answer, except someone looking at him when he walked away. He returned the next day and got an answer, but was not keyed in on Kristen’s well-being. He then received a letter from Kristen that she was in Miami “acting like a rich person”.

After the interview, a memo from Robert Terrell, the supposed owner of the Van, was sent to ABC news in Washington D.C., and that Jim Bradley would be in Tallahassee the following day to interview the children for information about “The finders”.

February 9th, 1987 (Part I)

The February 9th report is another summary of the investigation at hand and some calls made by investigators related to the case and “the finders” based in Washington D.C.

The calls mainly revolve around the children, the van, and other useful details that may have been useful to the investigation at hand.

On February 5th, the Tallahassee police department received detailed information about the photographs found in the van. The contents of these photographs are not specifically documented in the report, but one can assume it may be some sort of pornography or pedophilia-based imagery.

The next day, The investigator contacts several dealerships asking for details about the van that was discovered on the 4th. The first 2 dealers only say that the van was made in Canada, but the second dealer states that the van was purchased and shipped to Kirby Dodge in Arlington, owned by a company called “IBCC” operating out of Washington D.C.

The investigator then attempts to return phone calls, the eighth caller, Susan Jonis, picks up and states that she had personally known Douglas Ammerman, who had previously worked on a farm in Archer, Florida. She remembers that, during a 5 day period, she saw 10 children with Ammerman in the middle of the day, living in a watermelon field.

Mr. Barber of the Research institute of D.C., tells a fellow investigator, Debra, that the children are, in fact, belonging to the Finders cult.

The van was also seen the day before the arrests outside of a Training program office building. The suspect also answered a newspaper ad that was looking for someone to do some work. The suspect answered and stated that he needed to bathe his children, and requested he use the owner’s bathroom to do so. The suspect also said that he was en-route to Mexico from Washington D.C.

Corty Knauth contacts the Police department and states that she believes she is the grandmother of “Ben”. This was verified by Sgt. Sticher, who then relayed info that the Houlihan, or now known as “Holwell”, called them repeatedly. He also stated that the search warrant executed on the 5th yielded a computer bulletin message board that warned that the group in Tallahassee was caught and that “We are scared and hiding.”

Knauth, when called back for more info, stated her daughter, Kristen, had entered a small cult two years prior, and gave info on more children that had been associated with the cult.

The department receives calls from Interpol, who states that Houlihan has documentation history in Canada between 1960 and 1971; Child Find, which requests copies of the Children’s photographs; and Jane Pittilla of HRS, which states that the children are in a foster home and made a statement that included the following details:

Mr. Pettie, or the “game caller”, makes the children sleep outside while the moms slepp inside.

Mr. Pettie “owns” a man named “Steve”

The children lived in a tent outside.

The mothers went to “town” and worked for Mr. Pettie, some of which wore excessive jewelry and makeup.

Max then claims that he never went to school.

No one has a car but the “game caller” and that everything belonged to a “Mr. Reagen.”

And other certain details, especially the mother and father’s names of 5 children.

Pittilla also stated that Max showed signs of anal specter control, consistent with forced sodomy; and Mary’s right half of the Hyman is absent, consistent with digital penetration.

Pittilla also received a call from a Margaret Dugan, who claimed that 2 men answered an ad placed in a University of Florida paper. Ammerman identified himself over the phone, and identified another person as “Tom Vandosen.”

February 9th, 1987 (Part II)

On February 8th, It was revealed by Detective Bradley that there was no significant evidence found at both Washington D.C. locations of the finders being a satanic cult. However, Bradley expressed concern about some info from three sources about a hole that was discovered in the basement of the W street house.

A case file contained the known members of the Finders, but was not included in this data dump.

At 6pm, the investigator and detective Witzig went to the undisclosed tree houst to interview Mary, the oldest of the six children. Mary was asked about the other children in the Finders, but only knew about the six in Tallahassee and an infant named “Walker”. She also named ten “Finders” members and stated she was aware of “thousands” of members.

When asked about the adults, Mary stated that she liked her mother, Paula, the most, while “Diane” was her least. When her mother tool John Paul out, away from another finders member who was “acting crazy”, Diane supposedly informed Pettie about Paula’s activities, leading Paula in trouble.

When being questioned about the “games” the children played, Mary recounts that she went down into the basement on a few occasions, but did not notice the holes as the lights were off. She would not elaborate any further.

When tested by the detective, who whipped up fake names to see if Mary was credible, she did not know any of the people, verifying her credibility. It was not until “Mr. Lucky” that Mary stated a bit about the man. Max had already stated “Mr. Lucky” in connection with the basement for an unknown reason. Mary had stated that “Mr. Lucky” was a “boy scout” and that he was an independent man who had “lots of medicine”. (This person was later identified by the FBI as an ex-Green Beret)

Bringing up the basement again, Mary stated that there were 4 rooms in the basement, but stated the floors were concrete, and that the only “hole” down there was one in the wall in the “food room”.

The children, according to Mary’s recollection, traveled from D.C. to Virginia, to Kentucky, to Gainesville, ending in Tallahassee, possibly Tampa, landing on a farm while in Berea, Kentucky.

This ends the 2nd part of our investigation, as we continue to go though this information and highlight important details. There are still some more reports to go though, but once this ends, we will begin to shed light on the most damming connections that proves the Pizzagate theory once and for all.

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