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Hero MemberActivity: 568Merit: 500 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 02:42:03 PM #362 Quote from: greyhawk on June 20, 2013, 02:22:31 PM

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Hero MemberActivity: 826Merit: 1000 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM #366 You will receive refunds equaling in value to your original purchase as it was priced. Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. You cannot argue against the red truth.

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LegendaryActivity: 2702Merit: 1082 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM #367 Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM

Last edit: June 20, 2013, 06:26:15 PM by ThatDGuy #368 Quote from: becoin on June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.



No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for (at the time it was ordered) when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.



refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered



If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?



EDIT: added parenthetical per k9quaint's correction



Oh, this again.No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for (at the time it was ordered) when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.refunded the value of the item at the time it was orderedIf someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June,EDIT: added parenthetical per k9quaint's correction

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LegendaryActivity: 1190Merit: 1000 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM #370 Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM Quote from: becoin on June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.



No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.



If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

Oh, this again.No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June,

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.



But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one. According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one. Bitcoin is backed by the full faith and credit of YouTube comments.

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:21:49 PM #371 Quote from: k9quaint on June 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM Quote from: becoin on June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.



No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.



If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

Oh, this again.No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June,

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.



But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks. Good correction, thanks.

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:30:53 PM #374 Quote from: sngwinner on June 20, 2013, 06:27:23 PM I have no interest in this other than as an observer, but I can't see anyway that a refund could possibly be made in any currency other than the one it was made in. If payment was made in US Dollars through PayPal then refund then US Dollars. If payment was made in btc you should be returning bitcoins. It's not the purchasers fault that you decided to denominate your product in BTC and something happened to the exchange rate.



That is your issue to plan as a business owner. If I bought a product from Japan with US dollars and all of a sudden the dollar got a lot stronger you better believe I wouldn't accept the equivalent amount of yen my dollars purchased at the time I bought the product. That's absurd!



Either deliver the product as promised or return the BTC. It seems like the problem is BFL can't do either of these options.



It is about fault for the purchaser: it's about not understanding opportunity costs and realistically understanding the risks involved with a highly volatile currency like BTC.



As an observer, I would ask you why the following situation would seem logical?



Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

It is about fault for the purchaser: it's about not understanding opportunity costs and realistically understanding the risks involved with a highly volatile currency like BTC.As an observer, I would ask you why the following situation would seem logical?

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LegendaryActivity: 1190Merit: 1000 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:35:58 PM #375 Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:21:49 PM Quote from: k9quaint on June 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM Quote from: becoin on June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.



No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.



If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

Oh, this again.No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June,

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.



But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks.

Good correction, thanks.

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.



I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.



Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).



I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want). Bitcoin is backed by the full faith and credit of YouTube comments.

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Hero MemberActivity: 728Merit: 500 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:40:20 PM #377 Quote from: k9quaint on June 20, 2013, 06:35:58 PM Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:21:49 PM Quote from: k9quaint on June 20, 2013, 06:18:00 PM Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:01:01 PM Quote from: becoin on June 20, 2013, 05:46:52 PM Quote from: boonies4u on June 20, 2013, 03:33:32 PM Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.



No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.



If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

Oh, this again.No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund. That's a completely absurd expectation.If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June,

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.



But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered. Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks.

Good correction, thanks.

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.



I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.



Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want).

Why are you creating a whole new example?



No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order. Why are you creating a whole new example?No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order.

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LegendaryActivity: 1190Merit: 1000 Re: Recieved 50GH BFL Single Today! June 20, 2013, 06:51:43 PM #379 Quote from: ThatDGuy on June 20, 2013, 06:40:20 PM Quote from: k9quaint on June 20, 2013, 06:35:58 PM



I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.



Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want).

Why are you creating a whole new example?



No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order.

Why are you creating a whole new example?No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order.

That statement might be correct and does not conflict with any examples I have provided.

BFL will not willingly "refund" 300 BTC. They would have to be compelled to do so. That statement might be correct and does not conflict with any examples I have provided.BFL will not willingly "refund" 300 BTC. They would have to be compelled to do so. Bitcoin is backed by the full faith and credit of YouTube comments.