

IowaCowboy

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Apple is king Even though I've pondered the thought of buying the Gear S watch (but decided against it after researching it) every tablet/Smartphone I've owned was/is Apple. I just bought two new iPads (mini 3 and air 2 on Verizon Edge) and an iPhone 6 plus.



I can't wait for the Apple Watch to come out. I have a $100 Best Buy gift card from mother to put towards it. I just hope it fits as I have rather thick wrists.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Apple is king Last summer I saw there were about 1B activated Android devices and 800M iOS activated devices. Apple tends to do its biggest sales on a new product launch or Xmas season but otherwise Android has been outselling iOS overall.



As far as smartwatches, they only work with the respective smartphone OS so it's not like one will dominate the other. Apple Watch will sell well with Apple users, Android Wear with Android users. Apple Watch will create more hype, which will then drive more Android Wear sales as well.

existenz existenz Member Re: Apple is king BTW, I picked up Moto360 at Costco with intent to return it but the battery life has improved so much with updates and it is so useful, I miss not having it on, so intend to keep it. Costco allows long term return so is a good way to check it out and return if anyone doesn't like it - Android phone users that is.



Android Wear is technically 2nd Gen already because it's an evolution of Google Glasses and may be 3rd gen by time Apple Watch comes out. Android Wear hardware will be 2nd Gen by the time the first Apple Watch comes out. Given smartwatches are about notifications and voice interaction and Google Now is so much better than Siri, it will be curious to see if Apple Watch can manage to leap ahead (in function, obviously it will get sales not matter what). My guess is Apple Watch will succeed as a fitness watch but not up to par with Android Wear for anything else.



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IowaCowboy Premium Member Re: Apple is king Actually the people that sell cell phones at Costco are working for a wireless reseller that rents space in Costco so their return policy is a whole different animal. Same with BJ's, they sell Verizon but it's actually Diamond Wireless Authorized Agent for VZW.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Apple is king The smartwatches are sold in the tablet section, not the wireless booths. I double checked that Moto360 can be returned. It also doesn't seem to have 90 day limit like TV/laptops.



ilikeme

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Thats how Costco is here also. It is an agent that rents the space. They still sometimes offer pretty good deals, but they do not have the same Costco return policies. They also take all major credit cards, not just Amex.



In Texas the Costco liquor stores are also run by third parties as it is against the TABC laws to require a membership to buy liquor.



IowaCowboy

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Re: Apple is king Same in Connecticut, the liquor stores are third party. In Mass they will only put the liquor stores at the most profitable locations as a single corporation can only have three licenses. The BJ's in Chicopee and the Costoco in West Springfield both have booze so our area must be a soaking wet area in terms of liquor consumption considering that both chains used one of their three strikes in liquor licenses in the Pioneer Valley.

Nanaki (banned)

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New android devices release through out the year. Where as new apple devices are around the holidays. It makes sense that apple would be the king in the Christmas and holiday season in general for activation. The s5 has been out for most of the year. The note 3 as well. Like you said 1billion androids vs 800million apple. Just apples hype machine in action. Hell they paid off a popular youtube channel to fake a drop test of a iphone 6 or 6+ i forget now. But the video showed a unbroken screen from a front facing drop. But it was clearly visable the device did break and the glass came loose from the phone.



The only thing apple is king of is hype.



ShootToThril

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Sherman Oaks, CA ShootToThril Premium Member Re: Apple is king Reminds me of the same hype around Boss speakers...... Expensive and sound like corrugated boxes and recycled paper speaker elements yet people will pay their hard earned money for hype.

Nanaki (banned)

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: Apple is king Yeh now its beats by drae or what ever. those things are crap. Now bose (or how ever you spell it lol) wave radios the first gen are so weird and so cool inside. They had a single speaker but were stereo. They separated right and left channel based on frequency pumping out voice from one side along with say guitar etc and drums and bas on the other (with cross over of corse) they used a trick of accustics to split them up by brute force using "wave guide" technology. Basically each part of the sound channel cone was more able to port one range or the other.

shmerl

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I'm waiting for Jolla to release something compatible with US networks. Apple? No, thanks.



ApplePricey

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Apple is King because there is a sucker born every minute. They make good, but OVERPRICED devices, for people who like to be told how to use their devices and like the handholding Apple has traditionally done. But Jobs is dead, and the old Apple is changing and their devices aren't near as reliable as they used to be.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Apple is king Apple will do fine long term even if they lose brand savvy hype. They've created a locked in ecosystem that will be hard for many to leave. The products are still well above average, just no uniqueness anymore. And as an Android user, I don't want to see Android too dominant, it's already close to being.

Nanaki (banned)

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: Apple is king There is no reason to stay with apple just because you like this app or that. Every single apple app has a android version or equivalent with few exceptions. So locked ecosystem or not it makes no difference to those who bother to look in to it. If apple was to drop out of the market today tomorrow another would step in. Ios and android are not the only 2 out there when it comes to os. You have windows mobile BB os while not ready for prime time you also have ubuntu touch and other linux distros that have a touch interface that can be installed on smart phoes. The effect of apple not in the market would result in a OS war for smart phones with ever one competing for the market share that apple had. This would result in rapid improvements to the other 3 BB os Android and windows as well as new players. As long as you have more than one player in a market no single player can ever be to big. Android will float in the 80% market share area as long as android exists and keeps updating. or until apple leaves the market. At that point they would gain a imidiate 10% and other oses would fight for the rest of the 10% and would take away from androids market share dropping it to the 75 to 80% share range again.

remusrm

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remusrm Member Re: Apple is king Please... I bought in this mentality and guess what I am going back to apple. The apps are there but do not match the stability and quality that comes to apple. I am sorry. I am using pure android devices like the Moto G and Moto E and had a a nexus seven. They are just not up to par as apple is. I hate apple and hate iTunes even more that is why I do not even have music on the phone, but that damn thing just works.

Nanaki (banned)

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: Apple is king I see exactly the opposite. Apple stuff in apps just looks cheap and almost all of what you will want to use costs money or is limited time use. Where as most android apps are free or have free versions with some options disabled. When a android app does crash it comes right back up and is usable when a apple app goes down and it in fact may need to be uninstalled and re-installed loosing all your data in the process for that app. Even then it may not work. I have seen apple iphones with half of the apps not working (any thing net connected was stuck open but unable and could not be made to work again with out a full reset of the phone. This never happens on android unless the entire device is bricked. Even then it is often possible to fix with out resetting and loosing every thing. And do not give me the well you should back up because be honest do any of us ever back up like we should? It is safe to assume most here are a little more tech savy as we came here in most cases to find a fix on our own by asking questions. Me i came after another forum member told me about it as a question came up that i was likely to know the answer for if i recall. It has been 14 years after all.



Anon1

@142.205.241.x Anon1 Anon Ipads Ipads count in this number I'm assuming.



You don't usually buy a phone + sub for x-mas for people. (Maybe some do?)

You do however buy lots of ipads and such, I saw several ipads as gifts to kids over the holidays, not a single phone.



danclan

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Midlothian, VA danclan Member Re: Ipads You'd buy & activate phones for direct family members e.g. mom & pop and springing for their kids new/first phones or for granny and grampa..



humanfilth

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Big difference between:

'6 month cycle Upgrade'. As in: 'Mommmmmmmyyyyyy, I want the latest phone, pleeeeeeeeese.'

And: 'Old phone upgrade'. As in: 'dead/glitching, so time to buy new.'

Add to that: Previously owned activations.



What we need is a comparison of people who just upgraded for no reason and people who truly needed a new phone. Along with 'deactivation' at the "sledge hammer your phone* event", when you buy a new phone.



!disclaimer!

*remove the battery first before smashing.



nobigdeal

@68.102.121.x nobigdeal Anon No Big Deal 1) 51% Apple means 49% NOT Apple. 2% is noise in the sales world, thus nothing to brag about.



2) These numbers are USA numbers, which doesn't reflect the rest of the world where Apple is hammered to death by Android, where Android significantly outsells iStuff

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: No Big Deal I think its global but iOS tends to sell well for initial product releases and Xmas sales but overall Android has more activations year over year.



Titus

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I read these phone sizing threads and want to back over my flip phone with a Dually.

HeadSpinning

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said by nobigdeal : 1) 51% Apple means 49% NOT Apple. 2% is noise in the sales world, thus nothing to brag about. So half is Apple and the rest is everyone else, and that's NOT something to brag about? Really?



davidc502

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Mount Juliet, TN davidc502 Member Re: No Big Deal said by HeadSpinning: So half is Apple and the rest is everyone else, and that's NOT something to brag about? Really?



And to think they just about went under until MicroSoft bailed them out..... A unbelievable turn around to say the least. Agreed! To have 51% of the market is HUGE! That's a complete dream to most companies.And to think they just about went under until MicroSoft bailed them out..... A unbelievable turn around to say the least.

HeadSpinning

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Windsor, ON HeadSpinning Member Re: No Big Deal said by davidc502: And to think they just about went under until MicroSoft bailed them out..... A unbelievable turn around to say the least.



Although I like the ease of use of Apple products, I do feel "handcuffed" at times. It seems they both helped each other at one time or another. Makes you wonder what might have been if there wasn't such a huge personality clash between Jobs and... well... everyone else :-\Although I like the ease of use of Apple products, I do feel "handcuffed" at times.



davidc502

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Mount Juliet, TN davidc502 Member Re: No Big Deal said by HeadSpinning: Although I like the ease of use of Apple products, I do feel "handcuffed" at times. They have certainly built "walls". No doubt.

Nanaki (banned)

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apple does not have even close to 50% of the market share. They had 51% of activation at Christmas time only. In other words say the 15 days leading up to christmas. Look at longer terms and apple wont have even 10%.



Just looked at the post better for the news here this was for a six day period so not even 15 days like i gave them.



"New data from Flurry Insights indicates that 51% of all cellphone activations during Christmas (defined as between December 19 and December 25)"



Here where i work we did over 500 activations and about 200 new phone sales not a single one was apple. So in this area apple had zero% of activations. That was just on christmas eve btw. The long term is what matters. If apple gets 51% of all activations for a year or even a uater then we can say that apple has a huge market share.

existenz

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3rd Quarter 2014...

Nanaki (banned)

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Akron, OH Nanaki (banned) Member Re: No Big Deal TY i was looking for that. But i found a disturbing trend in statistics for smart phones. I looked at a dozen sources and could not find any consensus.Some had apple having 80% others android 80% all for the same period. There is allot of pollution out there put out by shills and fanboys of both camps

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and android devices are counted by shipment of units not what actually goes into peoples hands and they take home. I too bought and returned a couple. For ex: Got this past month Zone2, Moto Luge(ex droid razr M), Transpyre(quite a good phone), moto G and moto e and ZTE zinger. I stuck with moto E for the price and battery life. The rest I returned. Now versus maybe 2 apple activation that people kept.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: No Big Deal

»www.mobileburn.com/23054 ··· -devices



Apple claimed 800M 'sold' as of last July but many likely no longer active...

»www.theverge.com/2014/6/ ··· s-update



It might be considerably less (500-600M?) active for iOS in 2014 given this stat in 2013...

»venturebeat.com/2013/02/ ··· dy-says/ The best measurement is how many active units, not sales or shipments. As of July 2014, Google claimed over 1B active Android devices...Apple claimed 800M 'sold' as of last July but many likely no longer active...It might be considerably less (500-600M?) active for iOS in 2014 given this stat in 2013...

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Guess you didn't bother to read any of the link. It says in the second paragraph that these figures are global, not US only.



"Apple accounted for 51% of the new device activations worldwide"



Bagnon

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Hamilton, ON Bagnon Member Sony on the board Glad to see Sony on that list. Totally deserve to be there.

shmerl

join:2013-10-21 shmerl Member Perspective matters How did those number change from the previous years?



droidwho

@67.167.185.x droidwho Anon Two things that keep me from getting an Android phone: 1) Google

2) Whatever telco that screws up the Android OS even more before it gets to the user.



P.S. Why Google, you ask? Because they're a data sucking machine. Others may be also, but Google out-sucks them all. What company gets the most government requests for user info?

Google---by far!

elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: Two things that keep me from getting an Android phone: I agree any carrier drop is horrid and bloated. The first thing I do is buy used once the custom ROMs are stable, and flash. It is more effort, nut not much as lollipop to me is far nicer than ios8 and I dumped my last Apple product (I used to be 100% Apple).



I replaced my iphone5s 14 months old w/ a useless battery w/ an LG G2 which is superior in almost every way. I only paid $200 for it. To get an iphone6 would be a mortgage payment. Not that good..

existenz

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»www.eff.org/who-has-your ··· ack-2014



It's freaky how Google collects data and cross-references between their services, but they do keep it within their services. Is very useful... IE, Google Now bot scans my email and gives me reminders of relevant info. A nicely formatted card shows up for my next flight that was extracted from my email. I also got a reminder to checkin 24 hour before my flight on my watch. Apple doesn't do that kind of stuff as well. Siri is well behind Google Now with personal use of aggregated info. Google, Apple and Microsoft all score well with protecting your data compared to others...It's freaky how Google collects data and cross-references between their services, but they do keep it within their services. Is very useful... IE, Google Now bot scans my email and gives me reminders of relevant info. A nicely formatted card shows up for my next flight that was extracted from my email. I also got a reminder to checkin 24 hour before my flight on my watch. Apple doesn't do that kind of stuff as well. Siri is well behind Google Now with personal use of aggregated info.



odreian615

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Chicago, IL odreian615 Member No need for the Apple hate Google started the whole XXXXXXXX activation nonsense.

/Glad to see Nokia/Microsoft moving up



bockbock

@207.156.4.x bockbock Anon HTC products I love my HTC phone. For some reason, I refuse to use an Apple iPhone over an Android.



SysOp

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Atlanta, GA SysOp Member 51% of Apps downloaded during Christmas were on Apple Products This data is not a true measure of actual cellular devices being activated during Christmas. They are basing this wildly on app store downloads and not on new subscriber data from the carriers.



Boooost

@24.190.186.x Boooost Anon Verizon had no iPhone 6's All the Verizon Wireless stores in my area were out of iPhone 6's. I had to go to Best Buy to get one. So, yeah, they seem to be popular.