President Donald Trump told TV news anchors at a lunch before his Oval Office address that his upcoming trip to the border won’t “change a damn thing” and that it’s really just a photo opportunity.

According to a New York Times report, Trump also threw his aides under the bus during the off-the-record meeting, saying that he personally does not want to make the trip.

“But, these people behind you say its worth it,” he said, gesturing to Communications Director Bill Shine, press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and White House counselor Kellyanne Conway.