Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore sat down with anti-choice activist Randall Terry yesterday to make his case that states should defy the Supreme Court’s decision striking down same-sex marriage bans, with the two pointing to the Nuremberg trials following World War II to justify such defiance.

Both gay marriage and the war crimes committed by the Nazis violate “higher law,” Moore said. He also invoked the Vietnam War to claim that people who recognize the decision on marriage equality are no different from people who commit war crimes and say they are just “following orders.”

Terry pressed Moore on whether states should secede from the union over the issue of gay marriage, but Moore only went so far as to say that state officials should not “obey an unlawful order.”

“I think it is going to destroy the nation,” Moore said. “We’re supposed to be a free people and if this carries out the way I think it’s going to carry out, it’s going to be very doubtful.”