Cardinal George Pell tells child abuse royal commission Catholic Church made 'enormous mistakes'

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The Catholic Church made "enormous mistakes" and "let people down" in its handling of child sexual abuse by priests, Cardinal George Pell told the child abuse royal commission on Monday.

Key points: "I'm not here to defend the indefensible," Cardinal Pell says

Previously children were unlikely to be believed if they came forward with allegations of abuse, Cardinal Pell says

Instinct was to protect the church from shame, Cardinal Pell says

Australia's most senior Catholic testified via video link from a hotel in Rome, giving evidence about Catholic abuse in Ballarat and Melbourne.

He said he was "not here to defend the indefensible", and admitted children at the time were unlikely to be believed if they had come forward with allegations of abuse.

When asked if the general attitude of the church was to not believe a child, he said it "certainly was much, much more difficult for the child to be believed then ... the predisposition was not to believe".

"...Too many of them certainly were dismissed and sometimes they were dismissed in absolutely scandalous circumstances," he said.

"They were very, very, very plausible allegations made by responsible people that were not followed up sufficiently."

Cardinal Pell also said the instinct was to protect the church in response to allegations.

"At that stage, the instinct was more to protect the institution, the community of the church, from shame," he said.

Child abuse survivor Tim Lane said he was less than impressed with what Cardinal Pell told the commission.

"It's all about still sort of passing the buck a little bit, can't remember and all those things," he said.

"But I remember as a four-year-old, I'm 44 now, and that was 40 years ago. Very clear and vivid. These guys were priests in their 20s and that, and they can't recall and can't remember? Well, the whole world ain't that gullible."

'A catastrophe for the victims and a catastrophe for the church'

Cardinal Pell was called to give evidence about two case studies — number 28 about the Diocese of Ballarat and number 35 about the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

The time frame for the case studies stretches from the 1960s through to the 1990s.

Case Study 28 deals with the response of the Christian Brothers in Victoria to allegations of child sexual abuse involving six brothers, all of whom spent time working at schools in the Diocese of Ballarat.

When asked if he had been approached by students with complaints of inappropriate touching by teachers or principles, Cardinal Pell said he could not recall any examples.

"I don't remember any such thing happening and therefore I don't believe it did but my memory is sometimes fallible," he said.

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What did Pell know?

Key points from his latest testimony to the royal commission





About Monsignor John Day's abuse of children in Mildura in 1971/72

Heard "gossip" about Day regarding a "great scandal," but "in those days", if a priest denied abuse he was strongly inclined to accept it.

"Can't recall" being told Day had a "love of young boys" or of hearing rumours of Day taking children on car trips and molesting them.

Couldn't remember any lay person mentioning rumours of Day's abuse to him, but "they might have."

Became aware of the allegations in August 1972, following the publication of a newspaper article.

Background: At the time, Cardinal Pell was a priest in Swan Hill, about 200 km away. About the abuse of children at schools in Ballarat East He said he was told that Brother Gerald Leo Fitzgerald was kissing children but "the general conviction was it was harmless enough."

Knew Brother Fitzgerald had taken boys on bike rides and swum nude with them and considered that "unusual" and "imprudent."

Had not heard about Brother Stephen Francis Farrell "exposing himself" to children.

Background: Cardinal Pell was Episcopal Vicar for Education in Ballarat from 1973-1984.

About the abuse of children at schools in Ballarat East (cont'd) Had said he'd never heard of the term "bum buddies" and agreed that if children had been labelled that it "certainly suggested" abuse.

Never came to his attention that Brother Ted Dowlan had a reputation for putting his hands down boys' pants.

Had heard "fleeting references" to Dowlan which he concluded "might be paedophilia activity."



Background: Cardinal Pell was Episcopal Vicar for Education in Ballarat from 1973-1984.

About Father Gerald Ridsdale's abuse of children

He said he'd heard Ridsdale had taken groups of boys away on camps and overnight trips and that considered that "unusual, but not improper."

Never knew that Bishop Ronald Mulkearns had knowledge of allegations against Ridsdale in the 70's or 80's.

Bishop Mulkearns' handling of Ridsdale (moving him to other parishes) was "catastrophic" for victims, as well as the church.

Background: Ridsdale was convicted of dozens of counts of sexual abuse against children in Western Victoria

Background: At the time, Cardinal Pell was a priest in Swan Hill, about 200 km away.Background: Cardinal Pell was Episcopal Vicar for Education in Ballarat from 1973-1984.Background: Cardinal Pell was Episcopal Vicar for Education in Ballarat from 1973-1984.Background: Ridsdale was convicted of dozens of counts of sexual abuse against children in Western Victoria

The royal commission has also heard evidence from Gerald Ridsdale, a former Ballarat priest who was convicted of 138 offences against children, involving 53 victims.

His nephew David Ridsdale told the royal commission he phoned Cardinal Pell in 1993 to tell him his uncle was abusing him, but the priest tried to silence him.

"I have just re-read the file of Ridsdale. The priest. Ex-priest. And the way he was dealt with was a catastrophe," Cardinal Pell told the commission.

"A catastrophe for the victims and a catastrophe for the church. If effective action had been taken earlier, an enormous amount of suffering would've been avoided."

But when asked about rumours of abuse, Cardinal Pell said: "In those days, if a priest denied such activity, I was very strongly inclined to accept the denial."

Ballarat survivor Andrew Collins told 7.30 he found it hard to believe the Cardinal could not have known that students were being abused.

"I remember my Grandma saying, 'if you ever need someone in the church, ask George Pell', and I think that was common for most of us," he said.

"It would be unbelievable that he wouldn't know. I could understand him not wanting to know, but he would have had to have known, I'm sure of it."

Mr Collins, along with the other Ballarat survivors who he has travelled to Rome with, believes the Cardinal has the opportunity to make peace with the people his church hurt so badly.

"George Pell's legacy is in his hands. It's totally up to him," he said.

"If he says the right things and actually makes a concerted effort to change the church culture, I think that they can erect a statue in the street.

"However, if he says the words but does nothing — he may as well have not said the words. He will just be remembered as the man who did nothing."

Pell heard 'gossip' of Monsignor Day's abuse

He said he heard "gossip" about rumours of sexual abuse by senior priest Monsignor John Day, saying the long distances between them meant there "wasn't too much contact".

The royal commission previously heard how an attempt by police to investigate allegations against Monsignor Day in the 1970s was thwarted by what was described as a "Catholic mafia" within the police force.

A newspaper article about a police investigation into Monsignor Day was "one of the first and perhaps the first [time]" specific allegations came to Cardinal Pell's attention, he said.

He said he thought it was highly probable the article led to Monsignor Day's resignation, and admitted "in light of what we know now", the fact Monsignor Day was appointed a parish priest in Timboon a year later was "quite unacceptable".

When asked about the Christian Brothers who were teaching in Ballarat, Cardinal Pell said he first heard reports of sexual offences in the early 70s.

"I could have heard it from one or two of the students and certainly I think one or two of the priests mentioned that there were problems ... none of the activities were described to me, they were just referred to briefly," he said.

"I mentioned [them] to the school chaplain, a priest who I greatly respected, I said, 'there is talk about problems at St Pat's college with (Brother Ted) Dowlan.'

"I said, 'is there any truth in them?' And he said, 'yes there are, problems, certainly discipline problems, but I think the brothers have got the matter in hand.' And in fact he left at the end of '74."

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