SidianTheBard Profile Joined October 2010 United States 2208 Posts Last Edited: 2013-01-03 02:17:25 #1 How many of us are sick of seeing the same maps being picked up tournament after tournament?



I can not bear to see another full year of tournaments playing the same maps constantly. 2013 is bringing us HoTS and with all these balance and unit changes, we should also see map pool changes as well. Most of us are sick of seeing the same maps being played over and over again. Why are Antiga, Daybreak, Shakuras and TalDarim Altar still being played?



I can not bear to see another full year of tournaments playing the same maps constantly. 2013 is bringing us HoTS and with all these balance and unit changes, we should also see map pool changes as well. Most of us are sick of seeing the same maps being played over and over again. Why are Antiga, Daybreak, Shakuras and TalDarim Altar still being played? IPL

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I was looking forward to 2013, hoping that the bigger tournaments would really spice of their map pools because change is coming. Coming up soon is none other then a sc2 giant, the IPTL! They just posted their premier in the tournament section, niiiice, IPTL is back! I can't wait to see what map changes they might bring into the 2013 season. annnnnnnnd guess what. I got let down. Take a look:



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IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship

IPLMap Antiga Shipyard

IPLMap Daybreak

IPLMap Whirlwind

IPLMap Cloud Kingdom

IPLMap Metropolis

IPLMap Ohana

IPLMap Entombed Valley

**Abyssal City**





Why do we still have 3/4 of this map pool? These maps have either been around for years or have been proven to be imbalanced. So why are they still in the map pool? Worse case scenario you pick up a new map, something fresh and say it turns out imbalanced. Well, Metro is imbalanced for Zerg? Ohana is WonWonWon map? Entombed is 11/11 map? Players can veto if they absolutely need to. Also, it's your team league, if you bring in a new map that is imbalanced for a certain race then maybe (just like in proleague!) you'll see the teams only use certain races on certain maps.



I was looking forward to 2013, hoping that the bigger tournaments would really spice of their map pools because change is coming. Coming up soon is none other then a sc2 giant, the IPTL! They just posted their premier in the tournament section, niiiice, IPTL is back! I can't wait to see what map changes they might bring into the 2013 season. annnnnnnnd guess what. I got let down. Take a look:Why do we still have 3/4 of this map pool? These maps have either been around for years or have been proven to be imbalanced. So why are they still in the map pool? Worse case scenario you pick up a new map, something fresh and say it turns out imbalanced. Well, Metro is imbalanced for Zerg? Ohana is WonWonWon map? Entombed is 11/11 map? Players can veto if they absolutely need to. Also, it's your team league, if you bring in a new map that is imbalanced for a certain race then maybe (just like in proleague!) you'll see the teams only use certain races on certain maps. MLG

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MLG is another huge tournament that can easily force new maps in 2013 for their tournaments to try to spice things up. I hope they don't let us down because if we get another year of Antiga, Daybreak, Entombed, Metropolis, Ohana or TDA I don't know how much more sc2 I will want to watch from MLG. (Did you know I just listed off their entire map pool from the fall championship minus Cloud Kingdom?) Hell, it was just last Summer, MLG was still using Shakuras in their map pool. Yes, the same map that was around when WoL came out. Glad I got to watch the same map get played for 2+ years!



MLG is another huge tournament that can easily force new maps in 2013 for their tournaments to try to spice things up. I hope they don't let us down because if we get another year of Antiga, Daybreak, Entombed, Metropolis, Ohana or TDA I don't know how much more sc2 I will want to watch from MLG. (Did you know I just listed off their entire map pool from the fall championship minus Cloud Kingdom?) Hell, it was just last Summer, MLG was still using Shakuras in their map pool. Yes, the same map that was around when WoL came out. Glad I got to watch the same map get played for 2+ years! IEM

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At least we can rely on IEM to make some changes right??? Nope, their first tournament of 2013 and it's still the same old map pool. Well, at least they are using whirlwind, that's a little different right? /yawn



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Antiga Shipyard

Cloud Kingdom

Daybreak

Entombed Valley

Metropolis

Ohana

Whirlwind





At least we can rely on IEM to make some changes right??? Nope, their first tournament of 2013 and it's still the same old map pool. Well, at least they are using whirlwind, that's a little different right? /yawn Proleague

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I'm a map maker for sc2 and when Proleague released their new maps they were using for their season, my jaw hit the floor. I thought they were trash. Some of the worst imbalanced maps ever. Yet guess what? I, and many others, love watching games played on these maps because they aren't the same maps we've seen for years. They aren't the same strategies used for years. People try out innovated strategies on them. People Cheese, People Macro, People entertain on them. Hell, when TDA, Antiga or Ohana come up next on Proleague I minimize it (unless it's a player I really want to watch) because guess what, who gives a shit about TDA? That map hit it's prime 2 years ago, let it die already. Ohana? Great, WonWonWon incoming! That's only been happening for a year now and at this rate we've got at least another year (maybe 2!) before it will die off.



I'm a map maker for sc2 and when Proleague released their new maps they were using for their season, my jaw hit the floor. I thought they were trash. Some of the worst imbalanced maps ever. Yet guess what? I, and many others, love watching games played on these maps because they aren't the same maps we've seen for years. They aren't the same strategies used for years. People try out innovated strategies on them. People Cheese, People Macro, People entertain on them. Hell, when TDA, Antiga or Ohana come up next on Proleague I minimize it (unless it's a player I really want to watch) because guess what, who gives a shit about TDA? That map hit it's prime 2 years ago, let it die already. Ohana? Great, WonWonWon incoming! That's only been happening for a year now and at this rate we've got at least another year (maybe 2!) before it will die off. GSL

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GSL has been the best tournament to watch, not only because it has the highest level of competition but because it actually changes it map pool....slowly....I still believe they need to get rid of Entombed, Antiga and Daybreak and bring in 3 new maps, but at least they bring in something new every season. I'm looking forward to their announcement of their 2013 Season map pool and I hope we're not disappointed with the same maps we've seen for years.



GSL has been the best tournament to watch, not only because it has the highest level of competition but because it actually changes it map pool....slowly....I still believe they need to get rid of Entombed, Antiga and Daybreak and bring in 3 new maps, but at least they bring in something new every season. I'm looking forward to their announcement of their 2013 Season map pool and I hope we're not disappointed with the same maps we've seen for years. NASL

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NASL was actually fairly good with their map pool imo, they changed it up a good chunk season to season. Just looking from Season 3 to Season 4 for instance the only maps that stayed the same were Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak & Ohana. I'm hoping Season 5 we see more changes to the map pool, maybe get rid of CK, Daybreak and Ohana this time which means they'd completely change their map pool in 2 seasons, which is great. I just hope they keep updating their maps and don't freeze their map pools for the next few seasons because even though they changed up their map pool almost completely, they changed it to maps we've already been seeing for years.



NASL was actually fairly good with their map pool imo, they changed it up a good chunk season to season. Just looking from Season 3 to Season 4 for instance the only maps that stayed the same were Cloud Kingdom, Daybreak & Ohana. I'm hoping Season 5 we see more changes to the map pool, maybe get rid of CK, Daybreak and Ohana this time which means they'd completely change their map pool in 2 seasons, which is great. I just hope they keep updating their maps and don't freeze their map pools for the next few seasons because even though they changed up their map pool almost completely, they changed it to maps we've already been seeing for years. --------------

There are plenty of maps out there and plenty of websites you can use to check out these new maps. That or just PMing the people that make the map threads on TL or Reddit and I'm sure they will be more then happy to help you out. Check out:



There are plenty of maps out there and plenty of websites you can use to check out these new maps. That or just PMing the people that make the map threads on TL or Reddit and I'm sure they will be more then happy to help you out. Check out: http://sc2melee.net/maps/



It's a great website and easily let's you browse through maps and see what people think of them. Hell, a tournament could (and should) randomly take 3 of the top 10 rated maps here and add them to their map pools and think of how much that would spice up your tournament. I hope the bigger organizations this year add some more flavor to their map pools rather then just giving us what works. Viewers and players are getting sick of watching and playing on the same maps, so please, 2013 is here, give us something new.



It's a great website and easily let's you browse through maps and see what people think of them. Hell, a tournament could (and should) randomly take 3 of the top 10 rated maps here and add them to their map pools and think of how much that would spice up your tournament. I hope the bigger organizations this year add some more flavor to their map pools rather then just giving us what works. Viewers and players are getting sick of watching and playing on the same maps, so please, 2013 is here, give us something new. TLDR

Tournaments, replace your terrible map pools and add some new flavor.

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