03:45 EphemeralFetish: Well Ill leave it for now then change it when I think of something

03:45 Zectro: my bad

03:47 Zectro: id stack 00:28:842 (9) - on 00:28:287 (4) - and 00:28:953 (10) - on 00:28:064 (1) - , making these play a bit better

03:48 EphemeralFetish: Im pretty adamant about keeping this pattern

03:48 Zectro: alright

03:48 EphemeralFetish: Unless more people mention it

03:48 EphemeralFetish: I might have to scale it down as well though

03:48 Zectro: im just worried about 00:28:842 (9,10,11) -

03:49 Zectro: feels a bit awkward

03:49 EphemeralFetish: Plays fine for me

03:49 Zectro: okido

03:49 EphemeralFetish: Just might be a bit too big as a whole

03:50 Zectro: 00:44:064 - this pattern doesnt play well at all haha, plus you didnt do anyhting like that at 00:33:397 -

03:50 Zectro: id at least make 00:44:064 (1) - 2 notes aswell, and 00:45:175 (3) - too, but i dont think that pattern as a whole is a good idea

03:51 Zectro: 00:50:508 (8,9,1) - doesnt play well, awkward to aim

03:52 EphemeralFetish: First one Im following drums, which is why it starts with a slider, cause theres no snare on the tail

03:52 EphemeralFetish: The second point. Is it just too snappy?

03:53 Zectro: first one sounds like you are trying to do something wit h the guitar way more than the drums

03:53 Zectro: which makes it confusing since that guitar is also at 00:44:064 (1,3) -

03:54 EphemeralFetish: Well the circles follow the snare hits, and the pattern is based of the guitar so kinda

03:54 Zectro: 2nd one seems extremely awkward to aim as i said

03:54 EphemeralFetish: Hmm

03:54 Zectro: first 00:50:397 (7,8) - , should be fine, but then also 00:50:619 (9,1) - , a bit too much

03:55 Zectro: a bit too much as in a bit too awkward of a pattern

03:55 EphemeralFetish: Ohh okay

03:55 EphemeralFetish: I can just put that between the 8 and the 1

03:55 Zectro: yeah

03:56 EphemeralFetish: Ill have to get some more comments on that back and forth part

03:56 EphemeralFetish: Cause it still bugs me

03:56 Zectro: 01:18:175 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - you keep changing directions, making it even harder to read lol, which is fine cuz the song is a mess so you are allowed to do this kind of stuff imo, but just saying, you have some very hard patterns :D

03:56 EphemeralFetish: Ohh yeah that one

03:57 EphemeralFetish: Thats one of like 2 times I do that

03:57 EphemeralFetish: I felt it was hype enough in the song to do it there

03:57 Zectro: i guess

03:57 EphemeralFetish: I have test played that part a lot, it does snap well

03:57 Zectro: do you testplay with ht?

03:58 EphemeralFetish: Nah

03:58 EphemeralFetish: I mean I cant get an A or anything but I can consistently pass this first song

03:58 Zectro: 01:43:620 (6,8) - stacking these is confusing again, but its still fine, cuz as i said, this song is so messy that you can pretty much do anything you want lmao

03:58 Zectro: thats also why its so hard to judge if these types of maps are ready to be bubbled etc

03:59 EphemeralFetish: Actually that might need to be changed

03:59 Zectro: 01:45:842 (6,1) - spacing is a bit big here

03:59 EphemeralFetish: Ill move it if another mod mentions it

03:59 EphemeralFetish: Ohh

03:59 EphemeralFetish: I remapped that fill and forgot to move it

03:59 Zectro: 01:51:064 (3,4,5) - woah there isnt this a bit too big

04:01 Zectro: 02:19:397 (1,2,3,4,5) - you shud remake this stream with distance snap, looks a bit messy

04:01 Zectro: like, the curve seems uneven

04:01 EphemeralFetish: Yeah that is big

04:01 EphemeralFetish: Ill have to come back and redo that

04:01 EphemeralFetish: I did use DS

04:02 EphemeralFetish: But yeah now I look its trash

04:02 EphemeralFetish: Gonna fix

04:02 Zectro: 02:26:509 (5,6,7,1) - distance between these is a bit much too imo

04:03 EphemeralFetish: Okay should flow around better now

04:03 Zectro: 02:54:279 (2,3,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is great

04:03 Zectro: unlike the other one, this one actually plays well

04:03 EphemeralFetish: Ahh

04:04 EphemeralFetish: Yeah

04:04 EphemeralFetish: The drums line up better as well

04:04 EphemeralFetish: Thats why the first is pissing me off so much

04:05 Zectro: 03:02:390 (4,1) - pssst blanket

04:05 Zectro: anyways 03:02:390 (4,1) - doesnt play well

04:05 Zectro: breaks flow

04:05 Zectro: you have some very nice flow going, but that breaks it

04:05 Zectro: try finding better places for 03:02:613 (1,2,3) -

04:06 EphemeralFetish: Ahh, I was too focused on the stack to see the blanket

04:06 EphemeralFetish: Let me look at this flow quick

04:06 Zectro: i could come up with something myself but im pretty sure you can fix it yourself

04:07 EphemeralFetish: Okay redid that combo

04:07 EphemeralFetish: Should be good

04:07 Zectro: 03:08:613 (2,1) - this doesnt really work since the movement you have to make aim wise is just too hard

04:07 Zectro: from right to left entering a stream that goes right again

04:08 Zectro: you need to make sure you ease into the stream aiming wise

04:08 EphemeralFetish: Aight, Ill pull it up a bit and move way to the left for now

04:08 Zectro: and this is doing the complete opposite, which is too hard for this map

04:08 EphemeralFetish: I want to keep that emphasis reaching the stream though

04:09 Zectro: well

04:09 Zectro: maybe x341y54 for 03:08:613 (2) - would still work

04:09 Zectro: since then at least its less of an across the screen jump

04:09 EphemeralFetish: Yeah thats almost exactly where I had it

04:09 Zectro: still wont be comfortable to play though xD

04:09 EphemeralFetish: If that doesnt work out thinking I can move it to the left of 03:08:057 (3) -

04:10 EphemeralFetish: Ill see what others have to say as well

04:10 EphemeralFetish: But yeah you are right it feels like shit

04:10 Zectro: 03:10:946 (2,3,4,5,6) - scale this down a bit please, not too much but a bit

04:10 EphemeralFetish: I rushed this end

04:10 EphemeralFetish: Okay fair enough

04:10 Zectro: pause between 03:10:057 (1,2) - is kind of awkward

04:10 Zectro: but idk what you could do to fix it

04:11 EphemeralFetish: Yeah

04:11 EphemeralFetish: I might just need to move the stream away some more

04:11 Zectro: lets continue with the other song, 75% speed is doing me wonders, i can actually see it as a 'normal' map haha

04:12 EphemeralFetish: You dont have to if you dont want to

04:12 EphemeralFetish: Ill still mod your map with this

04:12 EphemeralFetish: I dont mind

04:12 Zectro: its okay

04:12 Zectro: 04:02:402 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - id make this turn a bit wider/bigger/larger/whatever the word is

04:13 Zectro: so its easier to aim and it doesnt overlap itself that quickly

04:13 EphemeralFetish: This is the problem with this song

04:13 EphemeralFetish: Changing any of these streams is so much work

04:13 Zectro: yeah most of them are fine too, but this o ne is crucial so id consider it if i was you

04:14 EphemeralFetish: btw ignore that this is half hitsounded

04:14 EphemeralFetish: Yeah definately

04:14 EphemeralFetish: Usually if I dont agree Ill still change something if two people mention it

04:15 Zectro: other curves further down the map are fine

04:15 Zectro: 04:59:458 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2) - this one is on the edge of being fine and not being fine

04:15 Zectro: but whatever

04:16 EphemeralFetish: Yeah thats one that I might change if other mention it as well

04:16 Zectro: never thought id tell you to make this map harder but 05:09:680 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - is really at the peak of the song so id increase the spacing like 05:07:902 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -

04:17 EphemeralFetish: Hmm

04:17 EphemeralFetish: Maybe

04:18 EphemeralFetish: I thought of matching the drums to sorta wind down the segment

04:18 EphemeralFetish: But yeah I can easiley up the DS on that a bit

04:18 Zectro: you want to match the previous streams tho

04:18 EphemeralFetish: Cant make it too big or it goes off screen

04:18 Zectro: yeah haha

04:18 EphemeralFetish: 0.6 is the best I can get

04:18 EphemeralFetish: 0.9 is previous stream

04:19 EphemeralFetish: Might have to leave it

04:19 Zectro: yeah

04:19 Zectro: do what you think is best

04:19 EphemeralFetish: We'll put it on the "if 2 people say" list

04:19 Zectro: id think of redisigning 06:28:347 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -

04:20 Zectro: to a pattern with less overlaps

04:20 EphemeralFetish: Yeah

04:20 Zectro: i mean you can do a bunch of cool patterns that really fit there, this one has quite a few overlaps 06:28:569 (3,2) - 06:29:013 (3,2) - 06:29:013 (3,3) - etc

04:20 EphemeralFetish: Im not too happy with that either

04:21 EphemeralFetish: Will defo change when I come up with something

04:21 Zectro: 06:30:902 (4,1,2) - this is confusing asf hahah

04:21 Zectro: because of the stacking

04:21 Zectro: but imo its fine

04:22 Zectro: its a very hype part of the song so a very hard part is allowed

04:22 EphemeralFetish: I originally had something different but a friend kept complaining about it

04:22 Zectro: its just that

04:22 Zectro: the direction change from 06:30:902 (4,1) - is very unexpected

04:22 Zectro: xD

04:22 EphemeralFetish: 06:30:569 (1) - From here to the slider it used to be a sorta S shape with increasing spacing

04:23 EphemeralFetish: Yeah I might need to change it again

04:23 Zectro: i really like ur slider shapes good job

04:23 EphemeralFetish: Inspired by Goldenwolfs Megalomania if you havent seen that

04:23 EphemeralFetish: Very good map

04:24 Zectro: 06:39:013 (1,2,3,4) - plays kinda awkward since its right after 06:38:569 (1,2,3,4) - and right before 06:39:458 (1) -

04:24 Zectro: ah yes i see

04:24 EphemeralFetish: Ehh I kinda like it

04:25 Zectro: 06:39:013 (1,2,3,4) - 1st time uve done sth like this

04:25 Zectro: in entire map tho

04:25 Zectro: so rip consistency but okido

04:25 EphemeralFetish: Variety :^)

04:25 EphemeralFetish: Kinda wanted to build up the jump section

04:26 Zectro: jump sections good

04:26 EphemeralFetish: Thank god

04:26 EphemeralFetish: Cause I really didnt want to change it

04:26 Zectro: :)

04:27 Zectro: rest is fine too

04:27 EphemeralFetish: Stupid how thats what makes it 8.4* And not the stream in the last kiai

04:27 Zectro: yeah sr is broken for high bpm maps