Of the seemingly endless lines from the Star Wars saga that fans enjoy quoting, one by an spectral Obi-Wan Kenobi in Return of the Jedi is a particular favorite when it comes to supporting a particularly contrarian stance.

“[Y]ou’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.”

That’s an appropriate sentiment when talking about a post by Reddit user edwardshinyskin in the Ask Reddit community. The question: Who’s wrongly portrayed as a hero?

Commenters combed through history and pop culture to suggest individuals who have been celebrated as champions but are actually, in their opinion, chumps.

Here are some of the real-life and fictional men and women that were mentioned.

Peter Pan

Severus Snape From the Harry Potter Series

Batman

Elsa in Frozen

Kool-Aid Man

Main Characters in Role-Playing Video Games

Guy Fawkes

Jerry in Tom and Jerry Cartoons

Counterpoint: Tom in Tom and Jerry Cartoons

The Hero Sandwich

The Phantom of The Phantom of the Opera Musical