BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24439 Posts Last Edited: 2020-02-25 06:30:42 #1 tried playing using pure bio early on. Of course, bio isn't exactly the ideal situation in this matchup due to reavers and high templars as you'll see soon enough. Without further ado, I present to you, bio in modern age TvP:





Give bio please!

Despite this loss, I have made a pledge, to play more bio from this day forth so that the death of my brethren will not be in vain. Beware protoss players, bio and bigfan's shenanigans are coming! Hope you guys enjoyed it. Feel free to leave comments below!



ps Protoss imba! Please nerf blizzard!



After the success of my last battlereport which utilized gifs to highlight a late late late game TvZ win, I decided to give it another try, this time providing footage of a recent TvP that Iplaying using pure bio early on. Of course, bio isn't exactly the ideal situation in this matchup due to reavers and high templars as you'll see soon enough. Without further ado, I present to you, bio in modern age TvP:Despite this loss, I have made a pledge, to play more bio from this day forth so that the death of my brethren will not be in vain. Beware protoss players, bio and bigfan's shenanigans are coming! Hope you guys enjoyed it. Feel free to leave comments below!ps Protoss imba! Please nerf blizzard! Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

ninazerg Profile Blog Joined October 2009 United States 7264 Posts #2 You know, you could've won that game but your macro was slipping. You didn't have enough scvs mining minerals, and kept three on gas, so your gas just skyrocketed and you didn't have enough marines. TRY IT AGAIN "If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky

KP_CollectoR Profile Blog Joined November 2008 United States 744 Posts #3 Very cool gif! Are you looking for play suggestions/critiques, or just reactions to the content quality? I enjoyed watching. English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)

BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24439 Posts Last Edited: 2015-07-13 02:59:32 #4 On July 13 2015 10:16 ninazerg wrote:

You know, you could've won that game but your macro was slipping. You didn't have enough scvs mining minerals, and kept three on gas, so your gas just skyrocketed and you didn't have enough marines. TRY IT AGAIN

yes, I realize that. My macro slipped during that attack at one point so I lost a potential control group overall (all the times it slipped). I should've just stuck to bio but once I saw the reavers out, I knew that my time with bio was limited and decided to transition to mech but the transition was too slow and I didn't do a good enough job hurting the eco after that. Should've just stuck to bio and added more rax or something. Next time!



Of course! I plan to keep on trying even if my opponent goes for 3 reavers! haha. I'll have to reconsider if he gets 4 of them though Thanks for commenting!



yes, I realize that. My macro slipped during that attack at one point so I lost a potential control group overall (all the times it slipped). I should've just stuck to bio but once I saw the reavers out, I knew that my time with bio was limited and decided to transition to mech but the transition was too slow and I didn't do a good enough job hurting the eco after that. Should've just stuck to bio and added more rax or something. Next time!Of course! I plan to keep on trying even if my opponent goes for 3 reavers! haha. I'll have to reconsider if he gets 4 of them thoughThanks for commenting! On July 13 2015 10:21 KP_CollectoR wrote:

Very cool gif! Are you looking for play suggestions/critiques, or just reactions to the content quality? I enjoyed watching.

Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting! Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting! Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

KP_CollectoR Profile Blog Joined November 2008 United States 744 Posts #5 On July 13 2015 11:58 BigFan wrote:

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On July 13 2015 10:21 KP_CollectoR wrote:

Very cool gif! Are you looking for play suggestions/critiques, or just reactions to the content quality? I enjoyed watching.

Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting! Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting!



Even though the gif shows the whole game, I think you could supplement it with a short written portion if you want/have time. There might help people who miss something in the gif, or aren't sure what they're seeing.



Even basic details like what map it is, what openings are used, key events of the game and key takeaways would work nicely IMO. Even though the gif shows the whole game, I think you could supplement it with a short written portion if you want/have time. There might help people who miss something in the gif, or aren't sure what they're seeing.Even basic details like what map it is, what openings are used, key events of the game and key takeaways would work nicely IMO. English Brood War Commentaries - Please Subscribe! youtube.com/dimecollectorsc... Winner of The "LeBron" Award for Best Rookie (FPL 5)

opisska Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Poland 8848 Posts #6 Dragoon vs. marines look quite fun "Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk

c3rberUs Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Japan 11276 Posts #7 When he botched the goon micro at the start, I thought you had it.



Also, the reaver did more than kill your bio army, it killed most of your econ at the main.



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JieXian Profile Blog Joined August 2008 Malaysia 4430 Posts Last Edited: 2015-07-13 13:52:11 #8



classic bigfan :D



(also, you also could've ran up the ramp and murder the probes )



also

so few scvs -.- you are cutting scvs, but you took an expansion so that you have the economy to fight back later when he has reavers.....classic bigfan :D(also, you also could've ran up the ramp and murder the probesalso



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LastWish Profile Blog Joined September 2004 2002 Posts #9 Well if you go bio you should stay on bio and add vessels to your mix.

Also 1 base bio is really easy to counter, go 2 base bio.

But you will need to work on your macro and borrow at least 200 apm from Flash.

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Stratos Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Czech Republic 6104 Posts Last Edited: 2015-07-13 16:01:11 #10 Well played. Hopefully you can make it happen the next time with the gas pull but you played like a real Terran and that means much more than stats, you should be proud.



As for the gif, it's really good. Couldn't load it on mobile at work but hey, assuming it doesn't take too much time to make I could devour hundreds of those. En Taro Violet

seom Profile Joined January 2013 South Africa 491 Posts #11 try "deep six" next time, one of my favorite builds. pure bio is pretty ballsy though i gotta hand it to you.

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On July 13 2015 12:08 KP_CollectoR wrote:

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On July 13 2015 11:58 BigFan wrote:

On July 13 2015 10:21 KP_CollectoR wrote:

Very cool gif! Are you looking for play suggestions/critiques, or just reactions to the content quality? I enjoyed watching.

Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting! Thanks! Mostly just reactions to the content quality (anything you would change?) since I know what mistakes I made and how to fix it for the next game. Thanks for commenting!



Even though the gif shows the whole game, I think you could supplement it with a short written portion if you want/have time. There might help people who miss something in the gif, or aren't sure what they're seeing.



Even basic details like what map it is, what openings are used, key events of the game and key takeaways would work nicely IMO. Even though the gif shows the whole game, I think you could supplement it with a short written portion if you want/have time. There might help people who miss something in the gif, or aren't sure what they're seeing.Even basic details like what map it is, what openings are used, key events of the game and key takeaways would work nicely IMO.

hmm fair enough. Originally, I was thinking that maybe having a bit about the beginning but then figured the gif already shows that, the builds and overall game flow etc... As for other details, sure, good idea to include that information for any newbies to the game



On July 13 2015 16:21 opisska wrote:

Dragoon vs. marines look quite fun Dragoon vs. marines look quite fun

it is though I would say the protoss has it rougher unless he can micro well. Once his goon count increases and he focus fires/pulls goons back etc... it's a harder battle for both imo. Lots of people don't realize how fast stimmed marines are lol. Reavers being out pretty much seal the deal for bio.



Thanks for the comments and feedback guys! ^^hmm fair enough. Originally, I was thinking that maybe having a bit about the beginning but then figured the gif already shows that, the builds and overall game flow etc... As for other details, sure, good idea to include that information for any newbies to the gameit is though I would say the protoss has it rougher unless he can micro well. Once his goon count increases and he focus fires/pulls goons back etc... it's a harder battle for both imo. Lots of people don't realize how fast stimmed marines are lol. Reavers being out pretty much seal the deal for bio. On July 13 2015 21:26 c3rberUs wrote:

When he botched the goon micro at the start, I thought you had it.



Also, the reaver did more than kill your bio army, it killed most of your econ at the main.



Fun game nevertheless.

ya, the reaver killed 7 SCVs when I was still just expanding and increasing my worker count. He had the proper response and my macro slipped which didn't help my cause either.



On July 13 2015 22:40 JieXian wrote:

so few scvs -.- you are cutting scvs, but you took an expansion so that you have the economy to fight back later when he has reavers.....



classic bigfan :D



(also, you also could've ran up the ramp and murder the probes )



also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL1XhZErqIQ



:D so few scvs -.- you are cutting scvs, but you took an expansion so that you have the economy to fight back later when he has reavers.....classic bigfan :D(also, you also could've ran up the ramp and murder the probesalso:D

haha well, I didn't plan on ending the game right then. Maybe I should've but I expanded behind the attack then retreated once I took down his exp. Wanted to macro up and then go in for the kill later but I didn't anticipate 2 reavers knocking on my front so soon (thought he sunk it all in his goons and eco).



ya, the reaver killed 7 SCVs when I was still just expanding and increasing my worker count. He had the proper response and my macro slipped which didn't help my cause either.haha well, I didn't plan on ending the game right then. Maybe I should've but I expanded behind the attack then retreated once I took down his exp. Wanted to macro up and then go in for the kill later but I didn't anticipate 2 reavers knocking on my front so soon (thought he sunk it all in his goons and eco). On July 13 2015 23:22 LastWish wrote:

Well if you go bio you should stay on bio and add vessels to your mix.

Also 1 base bio is really easy to counter, go 2 base bio.

But you will need to work on your macro and borrow at least 200 apm from Flash.



yes, I should've stayed on it. Was planning to go up to 10 rax and play it like a TvZ but split like a mad man against storms and reavers late game. As for 1 base or 2 base, well, yes, guess that's true which is why I transitioned to 2 base eco but thought that a mech transition might be a better option at that point (reaver count increasing). My macro still needs work but I'm sure I'll eventually win a bio TvP game (not early in previous games but later on )



yes, I should've stayed on it. Was planning to go up to 10 rax and play it like a TvZ but split like a mad man against storms and reavers late game. As for 1 base or 2 base, well, yes, guess that's true which is why I transitioned to 2 base eco but thought that a mech transition might be a better option at that point (reaver count increasing). My macro still needs work but I'm sure I'll eventually win a bio TvP game (not early in previous games but later on On July 14 2015 00:58 Stratos wrote:

Well played. Hopefully you can make it happen the next time with the gas pull but you played like a real Terran and that means much more than stats, you should be proud.



As for the gif, it's really good. Couldn't load it on mobile at work but hey, assuming it doesn't take too much time to make I could devour hundreds of those.

Hey Stratos! hmm good point. I wanted to steal his gas but he took it first. Thanks, yes, I'm proud! I plan to keep playing bio till I get it to work. I feel that with my micro and good positioning/splits, I might be able to even make it late game against reavers and storms. Macro is my holding factor these days



ah odd. It doesn't take as long to make as my written battle reports as long as I have an idea of what I want to show and I'm efficient in editing and such. Uploading it takes a long time though but it's usually around 300mb. Will likely make more BRs this way in the near future and glad to see that you enjoyed it. I think you'll enjoy the other one I linked in the OP even more



Hey Stratos! hmm good point. I wanted to steal his gas but he took it first. Thanks, yes, I'm proud! I plan to keep playing bio till I get it to work. I feel that with my micro and good positioning/splits, I might be able to even make it late game against reavers and storms. Macro is my holding factor these daysah odd. It doesn't take as long to make as my written battle reports as long as I have an idea of what I want to show and I'm efficient in editing and such. Uploading it takes a long time though but it's usually around 300mb. Will likely make more BRs this way in the near future and glad to see that you enjoyed it. I think you'll enjoy the other one I linked in the OP even more On July 14 2015 01:33 seom wrote:

try "deep six" next time, one of my favorite builds. pure bio is pretty ballsy though i gotta hand it to you.

isn't deep six an all-in? Then again, playing bio against protoss is pretty much allin-ish lol. I'll have to look into the specifics isn't deep six an all-in? Then again, playing bio against protoss is pretty much allin-ish lol. I'll have to look into the specifics Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

JieXian Profile Blog Joined August 2008 Malaysia 4430 Posts #13

isn't deep six an all-in? Then again, playing bio against protoss is pretty much allin-ish lol. I'll have to look into the specifics



haha well, I didn't plan on ending the game right then. Maybe I should've but I expanded behind the attack then retreated once I took down his exp. Wanted to macro up and then go in for the kill later but I didn't anticipate 2 reavers knocking on my front so soon (thought he sunk it all in his goons and eco).



you're so lost.



allin or no allin, all in or no allin

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Ty2 Profile Blog Joined March 2013 United States 1411 Posts #14 bio is just as viable as mech in tvp I think. Massing siege tanks and going drop harass is effective. I liked the gif. Writer I feel weird.

Falling Profile Blog Joined June 2009 Canada 10382 Posts #15 Microing goons vs stim marines is pretty rough. I lost a few goons due to poor micro. I thought it was a bit of a gamble to take my one reaver to drop his main, but it worked out and I got my other reavers out in time. Moderator It's Struggle Session Time

ninazerg Profile Blog Joined October 2009 United States 7264 Posts #16 If you go bio, in TvP, you're usually going to be going for the win before they can get their reaver or templar tech. The build you did was fine. Going deep-six requires more management, but I feel like it'll win you the game against someone who goes templar tech to counter you. Sero does it quite a bit, so if you watch his stream you'll probably see it, and you can ask for replays. "If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky

JieXian Profile Blog Joined August 2008 Malaysia 4430 Posts #17 On July 14 2015 12:23 ninazerg wrote:

If you go bio, in TvP, you're usually going to be going for the win before they can get their reaver or templar tech. The build you did was fine. Going deep-six requires more management, but I feel like it'll win you the game against someone who goes templar tech to counter you. Sero does it quite a bit, so if you watch his stream you'll probably see it, and you can ask for replays.



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c3rberUs Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Japan 11276 Posts #18 On July 14 2015 11:41 Falling wrote:

Microing goons vs stim marines is pretty rough. I lost a few goons due to poor micro. I thought it was a bit of a gamble to take my one reaver to drop his main, but it worked out and I got my other reavers out in time.

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BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24439 Posts #19 On July 14 2015 10:16 JieXian wrote:

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isn't deep six an all-in? Then again, playing bio against protoss is pretty much allin-ish lol. I'll have to look into the specifics



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haha well, I didn't plan on ending the game right then. Maybe I should've but I expanded behind the attack then retreated once I took down his exp. Wanted to macro up and then go in for the kill later but I didn't anticipate 2 reavers knocking on my front so soon (thought he sunk it all in his goons and eco).



you're so lost.



allin or no allin, all in or no allin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5-cbOHel7w you're so lost.allin or no allin, all in or no allin

lol no, I'm not lost. I had a plan in mind during the game and wasn't planning to end it after his nexus went down unless he didn't have much defense (he had 5 goons+reaver on ramp).



lol no, I'm not lost. I had a plan in mind during the game and wasn't planning to end it after his nexus went down unless he didn't have much defense (he had 5 goons+reaver on ramp). On July 14 2015 10:50 Ty2 wrote:

bio is just as viable as mech in tvp I think. Massing siege tanks and going drop harass is effective. I liked the gif.

hmm I'm not sure tbh. Haven't played enough bio tvp to know. Thanks!



hmm I'm not sure tbh. Haven't played enough bio tvp to know. Thanks! On July 14 2015 12:23 ninazerg wrote:

If you go bio, in TvP, you're usually going to be going for the win before they can get their reaver or templar tech. The build you did was fine. Going deep-six requires more management, but I feel like it'll win you the game against someone who goes templar tech to counter you. Sero does it quite a bit, so if you watch his stream you'll probably see it, and you can ask for replays.

yes, I know that part since I looked into bio in TvP back when I first started playing BW (kinda the reason I switched to mech when he had 2 reavers). Thing is, I don't want to end it there. I want to go up against reavers and templars and see what it's like. That and I couldn't end it here with how well guarded his ramp was. Does he? I don't see Sero stream as much these days. Maybe next time he streams, I'll watch, thanks!



On July 14 2015 17:55 c3rberUs wrote:

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On July 14 2015 11:41 Falling wrote:

Microing goons vs stim marines is pretty rough. I lost a few goons due to poor micro. I thought it was a bit of a gamble to take my one reaver to drop his main, but it worked out and I got my other reavers out in time.

Pros make it look easy. I've failed this shit a bunch of times myself. Pros make it look easy. I've failed this shit a bunch of times myself.

It's why they are pros Agree with falling. Reaver worked well and microing goon is rough because most people underestimate marine speed (or aren't fast enough) yes, I know that part since I looked into bio in TvP back when I first started playing BW (kinda the reason I switched to mech when he had 2 reavers). Thing is, I don't want to end it there. I want to go up against reavers and templars and see what it's like. That and I couldn't end it here with how well guarded his ramp was. Does he? I don't see Sero stream as much these days. Maybe next time he streams, I'll watch, thanks!It's why they are prosAgree with falling. Reaver worked well and microing goon is rough because most people underestimate marine speed (or aren't fast enough) Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

upro)wraith Profile Joined May 2014 Israel 64 Posts #20 On July 15 2015 00:18 BigFan wrote:

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On July 14 2015 10:16 JieXian wrote:



isn't deep six an all-in? Then again, playing bio against protoss is pretty much allin-ish lol. I'll have to look into the specifics



haha well, I didn't plan on ending the game right then. Maybe I should've but I expanded behind the attack then retreated once I took down his exp. Wanted to macro up and then go in for the kill later but I didn't anticipate 2 reavers knocking on my front so soon (thought he sunk it all in his goons and eco).



you're so lost.



allin or no allin, all in or no allin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5-cbOHel7w you're so lost.allin or no allin, all in or no allin

lol no, I'm not lost. I had a plan in mind during the game and wasn't planning to end it after his nexus went down unless he didn't have much defense (he had 5 goons+reaver on ramp).



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On July 14 2015 10:50 Ty2 wrote:

bio is just as viable as mech in tvp I think. Massing siege tanks and going drop harass is effective. I liked the gif.

hmm I'm not sure tbh. Haven't played enough bio tvp to know. Thanks!



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On July 14 2015 12:23 ninazerg wrote:

If you go bio, in TvP, you're usually going to be going for the win before they can get their reaver or templar tech. The build you did was fine. Going deep-six requires more management, but I feel like it'll win you the game against someone who goes templar tech to counter you. Sero does it quite a bit, so if you watch his stream you'll probably see it, and you can ask for replays.

yes, I know that part since I looked into bio in TvP back when I first started playing BW (kinda the reason I switched to mech when he had 2 reavers). Thing is, I don't want to end it there. I want to go up against reavers and templars and see what it's like. That and I couldn't end it here with how well guarded his ramp was. Does he? I don't see Sero stream as much these days. Maybe next time he streams, I'll watch, thanks!



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On July 14 2015 17:55 c3rberUs wrote:

On July 14 2015 11:41 Falling wrote:

Microing goons vs stim marines is pretty rough. I lost a few goons due to poor micro. I thought it was a bit of a gamble to take my one reaver to drop his main, but it worked out and I got my other reavers out in time.

Pros make it look easy. I've failed this shit a bunch of times myself. Pros make it look easy. I've failed this shit a bunch of times myself.

It's why they are pros Agree with falling. Reaver worked well and microing goon is rough because most people underestimate marine speed (or aren't fast enough) lol no, I'm not lost. I had a plan in mind during the game and wasn't planning to end it after his nexus went down unless he didn't have much defense (he had 5 goons+reaver on ramp).hmm I'm not sure tbh. Haven't played enough bio tvp to know. Thanks!yes, I know that part since I looked into bio in TvP back when I first started playing BW (kinda the reason I switched to mech when he had 2 reavers). Thing is, I don't want to end it there. I want to go up against reavers and templars and see what it's like. That and I couldn't end it here with how well guarded his ramp was. Does he? I don't see Sero stream as much these days. Maybe next time he streams, I'll watch, thanks!It's why they are prosAgree with falling. Reaver worked well and microing goon is rough because most people underestimate marine speed (or aren't fast enough)



I would advise you to stay away from bio builds for now and focus on proper mech play.



The build you executed is a weak variation of 1 base bio rush. If you really want to all-in against protoss, it's better to use bio-mech strategy variation such as deep six.



However, Learning to play TvP is not about gimicky bio builds, It's about using proper mechanized builds while putting emphasize on macro, mech units control and hotkey mechanics. mech play is very APM demanding and bio is even more.



If a bio player doesn't outright kills the protoss or severely cripples him with the timing attack, the game is over most of the time.

The goal is to play a proper macro build(e.g. fact cc, fd push or rax cc) and aim for a timing attack on a 3 base to crush the protoss expansions.



I would advise you to stay away from bio builds for now and focus on proper mech play.The build you executed is a weak variation of 1 base bio rush. If you really want to all-in against protoss, it's better to use bio-mech strategy variation such as deep six.However, Learning to play TvP is not about gimicky bio builds, It's about using proper mechanized builds while putting emphasize on macro, mech units control and hotkey mechanics. mech play is very APM demanding and bio is even more.If a bio player doesn't outright kills the protoss or severely cripples him with the timing attack, the game is over most of the time.The goal is to play a proper macro build(e.g. fact cc, fd push or rax cc) and aim for a timing attack on a 3 base to crush the protoss expansions.

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