This week on the podcast, Lawfare’s Benjamin Wittes interviews Amy Zegart and Stephen Krasner, both of the Hoover Institution, about their recently released national security strategy called Pragmatic Engagement Amidst Global Uncertainty: Three Major Challenges. The document, which was produced by the Hoover Institution’s Working Group on Foreign Policy and Grand Strategy, presents three key challenges to the future of U.S. security—China, Russia, and unconventional threats—and outlines three principles that should guide the United States’s response, ultimately calling for a pragmatic foreign policy that does not go in search of monsters abroad.

You can read the full paper, which also represents the view of Karl W. Eikenberry, James D. Fearon, Francis Fukuyama, David M. Kennedy, and Abraham D. Sofaer, here or below: