The.Doctor Profile Joined February 2010 Canada 333 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 09:41:25 #2 BTW I don't play on Slag, delta or scrap so you're on your own on those maps or you can downvote them like me. Garbage maps they are.



I'm posting this kind of prematurely. I still have some things to add but I'm watching GSL now and going to go to sleep after so I'll finish it up after. Have to add some neat map specific tricks after.



I'll also up some more reps later as well.



BTW if my micro sucks in some replays, it's more likely that it was lagging while streaming rather than me sucking. Yeah, definitely. The Boss.

jjhchsc2 Profile Joined December 2010 Korea (South) 2390 Posts #3 Lol i dont play on slag/delta or scrap either!

Finally a good TvZ guide.

thanks for putting in the time for this guide!. Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life

Drascus Profile Joined October 2010 United States 100 Posts #4 As a Zerg player, lowbie platinum that I am, I will be a sad, sad panda if this works its way into the TvZ metagame. Some of these strats give me nightmares.



Great guide! It's a good read, even for non-terrans.

anastacia Profile Joined February 2011 Sweden 324 Posts #5 wow, great guide. thanks a lot for this hacker and programmer - the2me4u on skype

Ahelvin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 France 1863 Posts #6



Nice to see that there is a general consensus on this strat being imba on close positions though :p.



Anyway I'm zerg, and I still find your guide extremely interesting. It's well written, really going into the depth of this interesting match-up, and it will allow me to recognize openings from Terran more easily.



Thank you so much for this contribution to the community . Nooooooo the two factory siege tank...Nice to see that there is a general consensus on this strat being imba on close positions though :p.Anyway I'm zerg, and I still find your guide extremely interesting. It's well written, really going into the depth of this interesting match-up, and it will allow me to recognize openings from Terran more easily.Thank you so much for this contribution to the community Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).

The.Doctor Profile Joined February 2010 Canada 333 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 10:24:49 #7 On July 07 2011 18:58 Ahelvin wrote:

Nooooooo the two factory siege tank...



Nice to see that there is a general consensus on this strat being imba on close positions though :p.



Anyway I'm zerg, and I still find your guide extremely interesting. It's well written, really going into the depth of this interesting match-up, and it will allow me to recognize openings from Terran more easily.



Thank you so much for this contribution to the community . Nooooooo the two factory siege tank...Nice to see that there is a general consensus on this strat being imba on close positions though :p.Anyway I'm zerg, and I still find your guide extremely interesting. It's well written, really going into the depth of this interesting match-up, and it will allow me to recognize openings from Terran more easily.Thank you so much for this contribution to the community



Imba as fuck close positions haha. Best believe I'm going to do it though (and not apologize afterwards).



+ Show Spoiler + . I felt like STC was doing well last game off of his reactor helion opening, kinda blew it though.



Aww yeah Nada 11/12 bunker rush Nada v MVP monster on ATM. Nada FIGHTING. Hopefully Nada has some cool new build to copy and analyze. I felt like STC was doing well last game off of his reactor helion opening, kinda blew it though.Aww yeah Nada 11/12 bunker rush Imba as fuck close positions haha. Best believe I'm going to do it though (and not apologize afterwards). The Boss.

Danglars Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 11691 Posts #8 If you want to win just 1aing, go play protoss.



Fighting, fighting to keep reading after this. He might be a saint with on black wound, keep reading! Like dropping a big juicy dessert on the table, and saying the chef likes to wipe his butt with his hands after defecating. Like meeting a young attractive girl and hearing on the first date she used to be a man and wonders if you'll be okay with her going back. So too is a guide delivering so much content (that includes with a no-nonsense approach to marine/tank TvZ) with such balance rabble as you include in the opener.



Fighting, fighting to keep reading after this. He might be a saint with on black wound, keep reading! Like dropping a big juicy dessert on the table, and saying the chef likes to wipe his butt with his hands after defecating. Like meeting a young attractive girl and hearing on the first date she used to be a man and wonders if you'll be okay with her going back. So too is a guide delivering so much content (that includes with a no-nonsense approach to marine/tank TvZ) with such balance rabble as you include in the opener. my TvP was around 10-20%. Yeah, seriously. I've since gotten my TvP a LOT better

I hope, too, your opinions of Protoss will improve as well. Otherwise, great effort. I hope, too, your opinions of Protoss will improve as well. Otherwise, great effort. Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!

The.Doctor Profile Joined February 2010 Canada 333 Posts #9 On July 07 2011 19:07 Danglars wrote:

Show nested quote +

If you want to win just 1aing, go play protoss.



Fighting, fighting to keep reading after this. He might be a saint with on black wound, keep reading! Like dropping a big juicy dessert on the table, and saying the chef likes to wipe his butt with his hands after defecating. Like meeting a young attractive girl and hearing on the first date she used to be a man and wonders if you'll be okay with her going back. So too is a guide delivering so much content (that includes with a no-nonsense approach to marine/tank TvZ) with such balance rabble as you include in the opener.



Show nested quote +

my TvP was around 10-20%. Yeah, seriously. I've since gotten my TvP a LOT better

I hope, too, your opinions of Protoss will improve as well. Otherwise, great effort. Fighting, fighting to keep reading after this. He might be a saint with on black wound, keep reading! Like dropping a big juicy dessert on the table, and saying the chef likes to wipe his butt with his hands after defecating. Like meeting a young attractive girl and hearing on the first date she used to be a man and wonders if you'll be okay with her going back. So too is a guide delivering so much content (that includes with a no-nonsense approach to marine/tank TvZ) with such balance rabble as you include in the opener.I hope, too, your opinions of Protoss will improve as well. Otherwise, great effort.



Hahahahaha. Yeah I know I know. I just used to be so frustrated and there was a style I had a friend do where he would stay on 2 base and just do a 2 base colli + blink push that was SOO hard to stop.



I'll edit it out, for you. Hahahahaha. Yeah I know I know. I just used to be so frustrated and there was a style I had a friend do where he would stay on 2 base and just do a 2 base colli + blink push that was SOO hard to stop.I'll edit it out, for you. The Boss.

EmilA Profile Joined October 2010 Denmark 3219 Posts #10 Good guide. I was 1830 on EU until I hit 8 zergs in a row and lost 7 of them qq. http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games

jjhchsc2 Profile Joined December 2010 Korea (South) 2390 Posts #11 Wow thanks for explaining the focus fire on the banelings. Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life

phisku Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Belgium 862 Posts #12 where mah mech

Ahelvin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 France 1863 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 10:35:50 #13 On July 07 2011 19:33 phisku wrote:

where mah mech where mah mech

In a thread not including the words "Marine/Tank" in it's opening sentence? :p In a thread not including the words "Marine/Tank" in it's opening sentence? :p Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).

Nexic Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 729 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 10:39:08 #14



As high diamond I'm having to work on my TvZ the most, this will definitely help. I find it really hard because of how easily you can lose your entire army if you look away to macro for a second, plus having to constantly harass to keep zerg macro from getting out of control On the bright side I guess TvZ forces you to improve your multitasking Thanks a lot for this, I plan to finish reading all of this over the next day or two.As high diamond I'm having to work on my TvZ the most, this will definitely help. I find it really hard because of how easily you can lose your entire army if you look away to macro for a second, plus having to constantly harass to keep zerg macro from getting out of controlOn the bright side I guess TvZ forces you to improve your multitasking

The.Doctor Profile Joined February 2010 Canada 333 Posts #15 On July 07 2011 19:38 Nexic wrote:

Thanks a lot for this, I plan to finish reading all of this over the next day or two.



As high diamond I'm having to work on my TvZ the most, this will definitely help. I find it really hard because of how easily you can lose your entire army if you look away to macro for a second, plus having to constantly harass to keep zerg macro from getting out of control On the bright side I guess TvZ forces you to improve your multitasking Thanks a lot for this, I plan to finish reading all of this over the next day or two.As high diamond I'm having to work on my TvZ the most, this will definitely help. I find it really hard because of how easily you can lose your entire army if you look away to macro for a second, plus having to constantly harass to keep zerg macro from getting out of controlOn the bright side I guess TvZ forces you to improve your multitasking



Definitely. I've found that my protoss or zerg friends who try bio tank in TvZ often spend too long staring at their main macroing up all the while zerg is rolling through your clumped up marines with banes. You have to be VERY careful, though zerg the same. Z can't just run around the map freely once you have some map presence with tanks so I guess it evens out. Definitely. I've found that my protoss or zerg friends who try bio tank in TvZ often spend too long staring at their main macroing up all the while zerg is rolling through your clumped up marines with banes. You have to be VERY careful, though zerg the same. Z can't just run around the map freely once you have some map presence with tanks so I guess it evens out. The Boss.

The.Doctor Profile Joined February 2010 Canada 333 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 19:34:17 #16 On July 07 2011 19:33 phisku wrote:

where mah mech where mah mech



I don't deny mech's viability. I have really little experience with it though and I think marine tank is better in TvZ, from what I've observed. Mech is really good on certain maps and certain positions though. Unfortunately for you, this is a marine tank guide. I don't see why anyone would want to ignore the marine. The marine is a good unit, or so I've heard. In other words, I'd rather play like MMA rather than goody.



+ Show Spoiler + Okay Nada v DRG. This is gonna b e fucking good. I don't deny mech's viability. I have really little experience with it though and I think marine tank is better in TvZ, from what I've observed. Mech is really good on certain maps and certain positions though. Unfortunately for you, this is a marine tank guide. I don't see why anyone would want to ignore the marine. The marine is a good unit, or so I've heard. In other words, I'd rather play like MMA rather than goody. The Boss.

dementrio Profile Joined November 2010 678 Posts #17 I have a question:

you seem to dislike factory openings. If your opponent knows this, do you still think it's smart for him to open hatch first? How do you claim your natural when going gasless against speed openings?

Big J Profile Joined March 2011 Austria 16272 Posts #18 Just reading what you write... everything is so true!



+ Show Spoiler + Don't be scared to go in to the late game against any race. I hope to turn you cheesy noobies in to macro monsters.

+ Show Spoiler + A lot of people I feel just overcommit to attacking Zerg. I feel once people move out they say okay you're going to die now. The problem is, you can't just immediately run up to zerg and siege them

+ Show Spoiler + Generally, there isn't really much zerg can do to kill you



It's exactly this kind of stuff that makes lategame for us zerg players so easy, we get ahead after every push we hold, because terrans tend to overcommit to everything.

I really fear fighting good macro terrans, that never lose units when pushing out, taking mapcontrol, and then returning home and in the end they are even in the workercount, but have 4-5 extra mules. OK... you are my favorite terran right nowJust reading what you write... everything is so true!It's exactly this kind of stuff that makes lategame for us zerg players so easy, we get ahead after every push we hold, because terrans tend to overcommit to everything.I really fear fighting good macro terrans, that never lose units when pushing out, taking mapcontrol, and then returning home and in the end they are even in the workercount, but have 4-5 extra mules.

Big J Profile Joined March 2011 Austria 16272 Posts #19 On July 07 2011 20:31 dementrio wrote:

I have a question:

you seem to dislike factory openings. If your opponent knows this, do you still think it's smart for him to open hatch first? How do you claim your natural when going gasless against speed openings?





as zerg you always want to open hatch first if it is not something like 11rax/11rax, simply because of the creep spread (for queens, spinecrawlers and also slowlings).

I think Idra said this once: "The best defense (in ZvT) is to get the hatch down as fast as possible." as zerg you always want to open hatch first if it is not something like 11rax/11rax, simply because of the creep spread (for queens, spinecrawlers and also slowlings).I think Idra said this once: "The best defense (in ZvT) is to get the hatch down as fast as possible."

dementrio Profile Joined November 2010 678 Posts Last Edited: 2011-07-07 11:40:21 #20 idra also said that he now believes if terran commits to a 2rax they are going to kill the hatch. OTH reactor hellions is very popular, hatch first is waay better against that and hellions are very good against speed expands.

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