[EDIT] added more info and arguments !

I felt like writing and i felt like otping so why not do both am i right

This is very rant-y sorry omfjfhf i'm nice i swear - none of this was written with a negative undertone even if it may sound like that just because it's typed and you can't hear my voice.

I'm not angry though, even when I swear - this is 100% casual so shh sorry I'm not being a bitch I promise I'm just very passionate

WHY MAKE THIS?

Why am I making this journal/post ?

Because this ship is underrated, misinterpreted, mistreated and people are assholes to people who ship them and that's not okay.

Why are people so intimidated by others liking something that they don't? Idek. But there is regular hate in the ship tag on tumblr and it has me fed up.

I also simply really love Frans so I wanna explain why I ship them in my own way, is that so wrong? I wanna maybe shine some light onto the ship that some people didn't realize before.

Plus I wanna explain why so I don't have to do it again in separate comments when/if people ask me why I ship them. I'll just re-direct them to this journal. Cool.

DISCLAIMERS

First of all; If you wanna fucking hate on me because of a fictional shipping, commenting like "its gross ur gross" i hope you know that the amount i care is like 0% don't bother thanks

And just to be safe here's a

which makes a point for people who just blandly police people in a fandom and tell them what is okay and what is not okay to ship. Get off your pedestals just because someone likes something that you don't. It doesn't make you better of a person than anyone else.

Now that that's out of the way...

Not in the way I see this shipping. When I say I ship Sans x Frisk that means Frisk is an adult. Thus, no, this ship does not have a huge age gap and is not paedophilia.

People may insist that it's still gross because Frisk """was""" a ""kid"".

1. Frisk has no canon age. Give me a number. You can't. Because there is no canon digit for Frisk's age. Anyone can interpret Frisks age so if some people can see Frisk as a 7 year old, some can see a 12 year old, why can't I see a fucking adult? Your ship-hate bias, that's why.



2. Some people say the kickstarter for Undertale before its initial release called Frisk/Chara "child that climbed the mountain", but that is completely irrelevant to Undertale's canon considering in the actual official game NOW, it refers to them as the "human" that climbed the mountain. We ALL know Toby Fox never ever does anything unintentionally. I mean- he gave us secret characters for goodness sakes, rooms AND dialogue that can be accessed only if you edit the game files in extremely specific ways. Changing "child" to "human" was a thought out revision, it was intentional, and thus in Undertale's canon Frisk is that much more ambiguous on top of the fact that that Toby fox HIMSELF stated that the kickstarter is not canon (SOURCE) so the kickstarter's use of the word "child" IS NOT canon to Frisk's canon age (which is, back to the main point: ambiguous.)



3. The only reason Frisk is 'mistaken' for a child is because in the Underground children wear striped shirts, which is stated in canon. Humans do not have this tradition. Frisk did not know. And to elaborate on this fact; Undertale is full of irony for the players sake. For example if you kill Toriel, Flowey knows and he says "It's not like you can go back or anything"; and when you're at the MTT resort with Sans he says "you haven't died once... That look on your face, am I wrong?" - These phrases are ironic. Because you CAN go back and you HAVE died before in-game. But the canons "don't know" that or pretend that they don't. Monster kid's phrase when pointing out the striped shirt thing sounds very similar. He says "Yo! You're a kid too, right? I can tell 'cause you're wearing a striped shirt." which is a hint at irony since majority of people who play Undertale are teens and adults and are not kids. Not to mention he asks if you're a kid, which means he is still uncertain but the striped shirt is throwing him off. This is further confirmed by his following line, "I wonder if that weird skeleton is an adult or a kid". Monster Kid can't tell ages apart at all, he can't tell if Papyrus is an adult or a child. Would you really trust his input, then? Thus Frisk being treated like a child can very well be irony simply due to how they're dressed - because, pointing back to #1- Frisk has no actual number for a canon age.

If you argue that in the UT universe all kids wear striped shirts, human or not, only because Chara was seen wearing one as well - Chara looks like Frisk all together, they have almost the exact same hairstyle, lighter skin, brown hair and all together share the same base sprite. They're meant to look similar, so of course them wearing similar clothing is part of this. Also, Chara just so happens to wear the same exact striped shirt as Asriel?? They wear those stripes because they were adopted by the Dreemurrs, and that was the clothing they gave their children (Chara&Asriel) so of course Chara is also in stripes.

Btw, Temmie is a canon Undertale character who goes/is ready to go to COLLEGE and still wears a striped shirt so ???

Stripes are a misunderstanding. The end.



4. Frisk is a blank PC (playable character) so like I said above^ you're supposed to put yourself in their shoes. I see Frisk as an adult because I watched adults play the game and I am an adult. I know I'm not the only one who saw it like that, many players see Frisk this way, its the ENTIRE point.



5. Frisk is waaaay too capable in-game to be a kid. They're very agile when dodging in battles and intelligent to comprehend all the information given to them. Kids aren't this capable, like it or not, lmao - surely they must be mature on some level. And while the player is synonymous to Frisk because we control them, them being the PC, at the end of the game Flowey tells us to let Frisk live and grow and be happy. So the actions that Frisk took prior, even if we helped them, belong to FRISK after the ending. So yes, Frisk is the capable one in the end.



6. Let's take a look at the canon art in the game.



These humans shown in the war against monsters are definitely adults.

Oh but look at Asgore's height compared to the humanS ( you can see a whole crowd, not just 1 person, so chances are that's an average person and not someone that's just short) in the art above.

Now look at how tall Frisk is in sprite-form next to Asgore.



Literally the exact same height difference as the adults in the canon artwork.

Maybe it's not a coincidence and maybe Frisk is older than people assume they are.

Frisk can also be just a short person, too. look at Sans - he's a short monster ? Genes are a thing, guys.



7. Even if Frisk is a kid; kids grow up and become adults and have romantic relationships as adults. I just prefer to see Frisk as a teen or grown-up right away instead of saying they're 'aged up' so I will direct you over to > this tumblr post < which makes an A+++ point, thanks. A Frisk older than 18 is not a kid, no matter if they 'were' one before or not.

Monsters age differently than humans, so Sans would arguably still be within Frisk's age range when Frisk is a grown up, thus completely compatible for a healthy adult relationship with them.



8. Frisk understands romance in ways kids don't.

Frisk went on a date with Papyrus. The dialogue presented showed how Frisk had enough maturity to understand what was going on even if the date was just a joke! Surely Papyrus isn't a paedophile. Frisk was mature enough to understand the date, mature enough to flirt and act accordingly, etc. so they're probably a teen and up and understand romantic advances enough - something kids don't do.

Papyrus not enough for you? Don't forget Alphys ALSO KNOWINGLY went on a date with Frisk when she confused Undyne's letter for that of theirs ! She's a genius and still went on a date with a kid? Hm, I'm guessing she's not that dumb or gross so surely frisk can be waaay older than a child. bam.

Not enough? What about the battle with the two gay royal guards? Frisk made Guard2 TAKE OFF HIS SHIRT so the other guard has a response, which is arguably a sexual response. Whispering "be honest with your feelings" to Guard1 means they understood what a shirtless Guard2 did to them. Kids would not understand this. Frisk had to be mature to a degree to know what physical desire looks like.



9. People seem to have no problem pairing Frisk with other kids ? Isn't that sexualizing two minors at once - how is that not gross? Then people claim those pairs are okay because they're not a ship while 'kids' they're a ship when they grow up... If Frisk can grow up for the sake of a certain pairing why can't they grow up for the sake of Sans x Frisk? I smell hater bias once again, oh my.



10. THE CHILD OF A GOAT IS CALLED A "KID" - as you know Toriel adopted Frisk, and I think either way if Frisk resembles Chara, Sans' knows the connection with Toriel. Toriel's a goat monster. Frisk is her "kid" - it's satire!

you: oo boo but toriel calls them "my child"

...... so fucking what? I'm a legal adult in university and my mother sTILL calls me "little one" (except in my native tongue). Moms. Use. Endearing. Terms. For. Their. Kids. No matter the age. Toriel calls herself an "old lady" - we all know the joke that old women/grandmas call young men "son-y" and things like that. That's exactly what toriel does, because Frisk is younger than HER but it doesn't necessarily mean Frisk is only destined to be a child. "my child" is Toriel's endearing way to refer to Frisk, it doesn't have to be an age spectrum to go off of.



Funny how I gave you 10 entire reasons as to why Frisk does not have to be a child and people who think Frisk is a kid can only say "ppl nickname them 'kid' in the game" as their argument. Lmao. Nice, huh?

I'd just like to reminiscence on the time that I RPed Adult Frisk for a Sans and when he called frisk "kid" and they were all "i'm not a kid tho" he was just "i never thought you were a kid, it's just a petname buddy" and I was like yES GOOD - how do we know that's not what Sans does in canon?



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I'd like to point out that I see Frisk as a demigirl (as of late). I think that gender fits them best. I usually draw them in a female sex and use

she/her and they/them pronouns for Frisk.

Frisk is 100% ambiguous even by gender - they are not canon non-binary, Toby Fox never said that. So I'm not obligated to use they/them, but I will for the sake of neutrality in this post and because I'm very used to typing they/them.

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I'd love to hear your opinion about my points here <3 However I don't wanna see you fighting me on my personal opinions lmfao.

Toby fox left sooo much open to interpretation so let's all have fun ! Don't hate on someone just because their opinion or interpretation differs from yours !

WHY I SHIP THEM

With my above points taken into consideration, let me delve into why I ship Sans x Frisk in which Frisk is a good appropriate age to be paired up with him or anyone else for that matter.





Platonically. 'Love' doesn't have to refer to romantic when I say it here. However we cannot ignore that Sans DOES very much care about Frisk more than people think he does?

People may claim that the only reason Sans hadn't killed Frisk to take their soul was because he made a back-door promise to Toriel that he'd protect the human that comes through - which Sans himself did say.

But Sans later contradicts this by the end of the game. He is shown to genuinely be proud of Frisk.

Of course Frisk's name is only revealed in the True Pacifist ending - which implies THAT is who "FRISK" is - Genocide run is Chara, or CharaPossessed!Frisk and Neutral run is just the name you gave the fallen human at the beginning. Frisk is supposed to represent you in game, yes, but their real identity is for those who played True Pacifist. All of us Undertale fans know this.

Sans at the end of the Pacifist run, in the judgement hall, explains what LOVE means - standing for Level Of ViolencE. Then he says, I quote;

He means all of Frisks friends love them by then; which includes himself and Papyrus. He is Frisks friend - he loves them too.

Sans loves Frisk, that's true enough. Why can't that platonic love develop into more? It can - for sure.

In fact

Let's take a look at Sans as a Lost Soul in the Omega Flowey battle !

Look at his text. It's wavering and shaking while Papyrus' is not. In Undertale only characters who get very very emotional start to cry and thus result in wavering text. Toriel's text wavers by the end of the battle with her, some small monsters have wavering text when they're upset.

No other monster that you save as a Lost Soul cries. Funny, huh?

Look at Alphys' text (as well as Papyrus' above^)

She's not crying, neither is Papyrus.

Sans is.

I'm going to quote a tumblr post by tumblr user

on this matter !

^ who are 'you' in the Pacifist run again? Frisk. The whole point of PACIFIST RUN Undertale is that "you" play as Frisk because the name Frisk is only canon to the True Pacifist route - it is Frisk who is befriending Sans, who gives him the reasons to either cry or be happy for once.

Frisk's friendship and generosity and pacifistic attitudes evokes real admiration, emotion and love out of Sans.

Kinda hits you hard about how much he can love Frisk, right?

Platonic or romantic or both - this ship is very possible because Sans DOES love Frisk - one way or the other (and love can grow & change).

We all see Sans from Frisk's POV in the game. Sans is the most popular character because we all love him and his attitude and his interactions. We learn to love Sans because of how he treats FRISK (because Frisk is the Playable Character we play as). Connecting the dots, i'll just throw it out there that Frisk loves Sans for being such a big part of their journey in a way that's very similar.

On top of that, there's actual in-game instances.

→ Frisk always listens to his advice because they care enough to show they value what he wants.

→ Frisk goes on a journey to free all moster-kind with their friends in mind - which includes Sans. I like to imagine that Frisk got even more determination from Sans telling them 'they would be dead where they stand' if it weren't for the promise because they wanted to prove to Sans that they could free all of monsters without giving up their soul and thus doing it in a lose-win way.

→ Frisk saves his lost soul and does so in a very personal manner - by telling the pun Frisk exhibits compassion and respect for Sans' interests.

I'm sure there's more but I'm drawing a blank.



As stated above^ Sans did promise to take care of Frisk to Toriel.

He did a pretty shitty job tbh since Frisk probably has died and thus LOADed the game multiple times - but it's the thought that counts !

He is proven to teleport in-game and follows Frisk around - even ending up in places before Frisk gets there only to greet them. Sans was ALWAYS there for Frisk even if he couldn't stop their soul breaking all the time.

These are my headcanon instances in-game which could have had a little help from our favourite skeleton on the sidelines:

→ Sans was the one who unleashed the dog that stole Papyrus' special attack.

→ Sans used his own powers to help Frisk jump over that huge ass bone in the fight with Papyrus - a jump that is impossible for a human to make on their own. Frisk's soul was blue at the time - and we know from the Genocide run that Sans is fully capable of using the blue attack but on a level that Papyrus doesn't use it on - he literally throws the soul wherever he wants so what if he helped levitate Frisk over that huge bone? There was a cute comic about this <3 But I can't find it sobbb

→ Sans catches Frisk and brings them to safety when/if they fall off the bridge at the Waterfall.

Thus throughout the game he grows to care about Frisk and thus sees protecting them as something PERSONAL, not a favor. THAT is why he says Frisk gained love in his speech at the end^ He does care. By then, he really does care, and it's fucking adorable.

Something that Sans doesn't have with any other character tbh.

Think about it - we all know Sans is aware of the resets - or he can at least feel them more than any other monster. He is also the most interactive character in-game, the one that your choices affect the most.

Who are the other characters who know about resets?

Frisk and Flowey.

Sans probably doesn't fancy Flowey at all (especially not if Flowey manipulated his bro).

Who does that leave?

Frisk.

Frisk is the character Sans has told A LOT OF IMPORTANT INFO in the game which he has told nobody else only because he knows Frisk will actually fucking get it !

For one thing he tells them about the 'talking flower' because Flowey, similar to Sans, follows Frisk. Sans does revert the conversation to say he means an echo flower, but we all know he meant Flowey because of the bright yellow text and the way he described how Flowey spoke to Papyrus. Flowey also shows recollection of knowing Sans in the genocide run so it's fair to assume he does in the pacifist run as well. Sans trusts Frisk will know what he means and so he tells Frisk to keep an eye out for themselves and be careful. He knows Frisk will believe him about the talking flower.

He also is not afraid to share his exact opinion with Frisk. In the MTT resort, Sans tells Frisk how he wouldn't have been afraid to take their soul. He shows Frisk a semi-brutal and serious side of him, one nobody ever sees except for Frisk.

He probably wants to protect Papyrus and keep him innocent to the point where he wouldn't tell Papyrus the stuff he tells Frisk.

Thus he trusts Frisk to some unqiue, intense degree and at the same time he knows Frisk will hear him out, understand, comprehend and so on.

Frisk is one of the people he can talk to for real and be himself in every angle and in every manner.

That's kinda cool, right?

(Listen to

of Its Raining Somewhere Else I swear to god its so accurate even if its fanmade <333)

His quote in the MTT resort is super blunt tbh;

Sounds like a little date offer hoho.

I stated most of these in my "Unintentional Dating" comic (

) BUT

→ Sans takes Frisk for lunch... TWICE

→ He pays for their food

→ Showed Frisk his cool quirky secret "short-cuts" to get to these places aka showing off

→ The MTT resort looks all romantic, candle-lit and shit

→ They sit in the most private place in the dining room

→ Gives Frisk good, genuine advice when they talk

→ The file for the music in the MTT resort conversation is called "mus_sans

" (coulda been called 'mus_sansmtt' or with a number or some other file name, but its not? oolala)

→ When Frisk pours all of their ketchup on their burger by accident he states he's not hungry and lets Frisk have his burger which either means he's being chival or he knew that was gonna happen and thus ordered two burgers to make sure he gave the other to Frisk when that ketchup prank of his followed through. Aka; Sweet gestures.

Then there's also a dating hint towards Sans at the end of the Papyrus date when he friendzones Frisk! This was brought to my attention by dA user Luniria; Papyrus says

Let's be real he loves his brother and I can't help but headcanon once again that Sans is the one who Papyrus would consider closest to "Second Best"

I love my angst.

→ Imagine Frisk and Sans both having nightmares about genocide routes and having only each other to turn to to cope with such things because only they understand those routes.

→ Imagine Sans being aware Frisk is possed in a genocide route and thus while he unleashes his anger on he's just waiting for Frisk to reset so they can be happy again and so that he doesn't have to hurt Frisk anymore.

→ Imagine Sans having an internal crisis in the genocide run because he loves Frisk

→ Imagine Frisk and Sans being insecure to tell each other their feelings because Frisk doesn't think Sans can love a human / vice versa



Etc. etc. etc.

Lacing those with the idea that they do care very deeply for each other, man, they can get so much more emotional!

I LOVE THAT ANGST.





And if all else fails: SHIP IT FOR THEIR CUTE MUGS TOGETHER <3

I just really like the aesthetic of this ship as well. Monster x Human is super neato to me and god this ship has some A+ fanarts in all forms !

ALSO FRISK BEING EITHER RLY SMOL OR TALLER THAN SANS IS SO CUTE NGJGHGGHGH

Frisk is usually portrayed as someone genuinely sweet, ambitious and warm hearted as they are in-game ! I believe Frisk and Sans would love each others personalities.

I know people know Soriel as the pun ship but come on we all know Frisk would probably love puns too and thoroughly enjoy Sans' dumb jokes.

I enjoy seeing art and portrayals of them and thus enjoy the pairing !

That is all~ It's just my opinion/interpretation and I hope you all can see why I ship them now~

Thanks for reading !