Waxangel Profile Blog Joined September 2002 United States 29175 Posts Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:12:29 #1



Keypoints from KeSPA Statement – from PGR21.com



In response to an OSEN article that suggested the lack of KeSPA players at IPL5 was due to a boycott, KeSPA made an unusually detailed statement regarding their communications with IGN, and publicly revealed their policies regarding international tournament participation for KeSPA players. IPL never contacted KeSPA



IPL never contacted the KeSPA office regarding the invitation of KeSPA players through official or unofficial channels. On October 13th, a person claiming to be affiliated with IPL contacted the teams KT and SKT individually to inquire if specific players could be sent. The Association declined direct contact with the teams, and requested that they negotiate regarding participating and scheduling through a KeSPA channel. There was no response from IPL towards KeSPA afterward.



Participation standards regarding international and non-KeSPA tournaments



Through the KeSPA strategic committee, KeSPA teams are resolved to not send players to accept individual invitations to international tournaments without prior negotiation regarding scheduling, conditions, and support for the invited players. This is to protect the KeSPA hosted leagues such as the Starleague and Proleague, the players, and pro-game teams. We agreed that the automatic participation in IPL through the GSL would not be subject to these conditions [Note: this regards Innovation/Bogus]. KeSPA is presently negotiating with several international tournament organizers regarding the participation of players in their tournaments, and this information has been shared with Blizzard, with a way of cooperation being discussed.



KeSPA's position on issues regarding participation in other tournaments



There have been multiple instances such as IPL5 or the recent 2012 GSL Tour Grand Final [Note: GSL's year end event to which KeSPA player Rain has been invited] where KeSPA players have been given seeds and invited without prior agreement with KeSPA. We officially request that the organizations cooperate with KeSPA, and we will not recognize procedures where KeSPA players are unilaterally announced as participants in tournament through media announce and such.



TL;DR: All inquiries and negotiations regarding KeSPA player participation must be done through KeSPA, not the individual teams. TL;DR: All inquiries and negotiations regarding KeSPA player participation must be done through KeSPA, not the individual teams. Administrator Hey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?

amazingxkcd Profile Blog Joined September 2010 GRAND OLD AMERICA 15736 Posts #2 So basically if you want kespa players, you need to talk to kespa first. Got it. The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings

DuBlooNz Profile Blog Joined February 2011 United Kingdom 103 Posts #3 This is fair from KeSPA because they do have the official channels to go through and IPL did not.



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MyFirstProbe Profile Joined April 2011 Netherlands 293 Posts #4 I don't think it's a good thing that everything has to be done through KeSPA, but that's probably how it has always been. Although in broodwar there might not have been as much international tournament participation.

Picklebread Profile Joined June 2011 808 Posts #5 I wish kespa was sall, "Hey guys, you can do international tournaments without contacting us because I think it should be your free will to go to tournaments you want to go to assss long as you practice."

Prplppleatr Profile Joined May 2011 United States 1295 Posts #6 Sounds right.



Nothing surprising here. KeSPA is a player organization and wants organizations to contact them regarding their players. More information from tournament organizations or KeSPA about their policies (what is enough player support) will determine how fair or preferential these policies may be. 🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.

Steelo_Rivers Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United States 1965 Posts #7 On December 01 2012 02:15 Picklebread wrote:

I wish kespa was sall, "Hey guys, you can do international tournaments without contacting us because I think it should be your free will to go to tournaments you want to go to assss long as you practice."

Yea but it costs alot of money to send players to tournaments that they didnt even qualify for. You're basically banking on the fact that they can get through the open bracket and up onwards through the tourny.



Yea but it costs alot of money to send players to tournaments that they didnt even qualify for. You're basically banking on the fact that they can get through the open bracket and up onwards through the tourny. ok

Antisocialmunky Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 5897 Posts Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:19:35 #8 Kespa is destroying esports by depriving it of needless drama and putting out a reasonable statement. :p [ﾟnﾟ] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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TrickyGilligan Profile Joined September 2010 United States 641 Posts #9 So, they want to receive invitations to open tournaments? Then get butt-hurt and release statements when they don't get them.



Cool. "I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." -Groucho Marx

HereBeDragons Profile Joined May 2011 1429 Posts #10 KeSPA is presently negotiating with several international tournament organizers



means no basically, just like the way ESF teams lie about having sponsors, "currently in negotiation" is the exact opposite of what it means. means no basically, just like the way ESF teams lie about having sponsors, "currently in negotiation" is the exact opposite of what it means.

Mirhi Profile Joined February 2010 United States 375 Posts Last Edited: 2012-11-30 17:31:18 #11 Shadow Edit: We are investigating this and and trying to figure out exactly what the situation is. Esportsing really hard | www.twitter.com/ffmirhi

zestzorb Profile Joined August 2010 Thailand 755 Posts #12 On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:

This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:



KeSPA officials

KeSPA teams

KeSPA players

OGN



All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events.

Uh oh.. then someone is lying.



Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Uh oh.. then someone is lying.Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!

opisska Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Poland 8848 Posts #13 I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you. "Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk

ZerglingTwins Profile Joined October 2012 United States 850 Posts #14 On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:

This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:



KeSPA officials

KeSPA teams

KeSPA players

OGN



All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events.

Uh oh.. then someone is lying.



Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Uh oh.. then someone is lying.Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!



Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why. Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why. Searching for my twin ling brother.

MyFirstProbe Profile Joined April 2011 Netherlands 293 Posts #15 On December 01 2012 02:27 opisska wrote:

I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.



I don't think they want to have their closed leagues where only their players can compete and the players can compete only there. They only want to have control over "their" players, however, I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I don't think they want to have their closed leagues where only their players can compete and the players can compete only there. They only want to have control over "their" players, however, I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

zyzq Profile Joined February 2011 United States 3123 Posts #16 Seems like MLG vs IPL more than KeSPA vs IPL

iLoveKT Profile Blog Joined October 2008 Philippines 3495 Posts #17 On December 01 2012 02:18 TrickyGilligan wrote:

So, they want to receive invitations to open tournaments? Then get butt-hurt and release statements when they don't get them.



Cool.

wat. Im really curious of the thought process here to come up with this post. wat. Im really curious of the thought process here to come up with this post. Woo Jung Ho

HolydaKing Profile Joined February 2010 20329 Posts #18 On December 01 2012 02:27 ZerglingTwins wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:

On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:

This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:



KeSPA officials

KeSPA teams

KeSPA players

OGN



All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events.

Uh oh.. then someone is lying.



Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Uh oh.. then someone is lying.Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!



Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why. Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why.

Different possibilies. Could for example be that he #1 has no proof, could be that they #2 will do a better announcement or could be #3 that it's wrong. I think it's either #1 or #2. Different possibilies. Could for example be that he #1 has no proof, could be that they #2 will do a better announcement or could be #3 that it's wrong. I think it's either #1 or #2.

opterown Profile Blog Joined August 2011 Australia 42302 Posts #19 On December 01 2012 02:27 ZerglingTwins wrote:

Show nested quote +

On December 01 2012 02:24 zestzorb wrote:

On December 01 2012 02:19 Mirhi wrote:

This is not true. IPL both directly and indirectly contacted KeSPA. We contacted the following sources:



KeSPA officials

KeSPA teams

KeSPA players

OGN



All about trying to get KeSPA players for IPL Fight Club and IPL5, and future events.

Uh oh.. then someone is lying.



Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence! Uh oh.. then someone is lying.Now we need proof, a chat log or whatever. Put on the role of Detective Jessica and let the festivities commence!



Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why. Mirhi deleted his comment. I wonder why.

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ZerglingTwins Profile Joined October 2012 United States 850 Posts #20 On December 01 2012 02:27 opisska wrote:

I am thinking more and more that the right response of the world is to just start ignoring KeSPA and their players altogether. So you wanna have your nice closed leagues with your private superstars? Cool. We can have fun without you.





Any players in real professional team league sports are not free to attend any tournament or commercials in their own will. They are all the best leagues. Any players in real professional team league sports are not free to attend any tournament or commercials in their own will. They are all the best leagues. Searching for my twin ling brother.

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