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Takahashi Uzumaki, I have never looked into the meaning of this word untill I stumble upon it on a cheesy japanese horror movie, named Uzumaki. Well obviously Naruto family name is Uzumaki, which means whirling(whirlpool whatever just so you get the idea of spinning lines), hence also the reason why you see the whirling symbol on his uniform(upperarms and back). Rasengan(which we all have seen is a whirling of chakra technique) is a succesion technique(correct me if I am wrong, haven't read the manga) only the 4th, Jiraya and now Naruto can use. Succession technique are only taught to family, so how did Jiraya learnt it, probably because he was the 4th mentor(teacher) and most trusted person, after all who could teach Naruto the technique after he is gone, nobody else except a legendary ninja ;)

So my point is, Naruto is in some way related to the 4th, why else would Jiraya teach him a dangerous technique like that, that only high level ninjas can use. Surely Jiraya has a lot of other easier to learn technique if he wanted Naruto to progress at the pace he intended.

PowerofGod I was also wondering that, i mean they never really have said anything about Naruto's parents, or as to why they choose him to seal Kyubi in, but wasn't the fourth the thirds son? I haven't seen those earlier episodes in a while but i think thats right, and if so the fourth would be Sarutobi something, and presumably Asuma's brother or cousin because he's a Sarutobi, and then i still have no idea who could be Konohamarui's dad, maybe the fourth? Uh this whole thing as confused the hell outta me. I could be wrong about these names, maybe some people i think are connected aren't but after thinking about it so much i've just decided Naruto to be one of Jiriya's bastard children or something lol, i just don't know.

Splintr420 do they ever reveal naruto's parents? Either its a large mystery, or it is one of the biggest flops. I'm not very far in, i've only seen the first 20 eps. But i would have assumed they would have said something about his parents by now

Fatal Outlaw do they ever reveal naruto's parents? Either its a large mystery, or it is one of the biggest flops. I'm not very far in, i've only seen the first 20 eps. But i would have assumed they would have said something about his parents by now



they haven't revealed yetas of episode 108, and (according to some people) chapter 250 something.



anyway, splintr420 wouldnt read this thread post as it's partial spoilers...

Rulakir There are some hints that Naruto and the 4th may be related, but nothing has been proven. Just speculation so far.

Takahashi Nobody finds it odd, that the only person he taught Rasingan to is Naruto, still fresh to the ninja business. Probably thousand have begged Jiraya to teach them, why only Naruto. Seems the technique is so special that it can't even be copied, Kakashi seems to know about the technique, just can't use it.

Fatal Outlaw There are some hints that Naruto and the 4th may be related, but nothing has been proven. Just speculation so far.



I actually meant "splintr420, dont read the thread as it has slight spoilers" (about jiraiya and the rasengan and all, I think he's only watched the first arc). For some reason, i made a mistake and put "I"



anyway, I think theyre related, the 4th and Naruto. I mean, first, why would the 4th seal the demon fox into naruto? I dont think he'd just put it into someone random. second, THEY LOOK ALIKE.

Takahashi Wasn't the 3th who sealed the kiyubi into Naruto, been a while but I thought it was something like the 3th sealed it, Orochimaru messed with it and then Jiraya untangled it up again. Its been a while since that story arc, can someone clear this up?

Fatal Outlaw Wasn't the 3th who sealed the kiyubi into Naruto, been a while but I thought it was something like the 3th sealed it, Orochimaru messed with it and then Jiraya untangled it up again. Its been a while since that story arc, can someone clear this up?



It's the 4th, Im pretty sure, they say it in episode 1. The only time the 3rd used the sealing technique was against Orochimaru, in that he failed and only sealed Oro's arms into himself.

PowerofGod Yeah the 4th sealed Kyubi away which is why he died. And it's very possible for the 4th to be Naruto's father, i mean i'm suprised that haven't adressed that yet, i wonder what story arc they're saving this topic for. I mean it would make sense that the 4th was his father since he sealed Kyubi away in Naruto, but then what about Naruto's mother, did Kyubi kill her? I mean this is just another huge plot hole that they seem to be saving for something in the future, yet they have been giving clues as to who it was, like the Jiriya teaching Naruto Rasengan. I really can't wait till they do reveal this part though

Bishdariel teaching naruto the rasengan was to give naruto a weapon against atsuki, or whatever the organisation is called, which is looking for naruto. it is only the first step, so that naruto can defend himself later on.

the other speculation, that naruto is related to the 4th, i dont know what to think about that. i think it is more realistic, that narutos parents were killed during the fight with kyubi. i think the rasengan is not a special ability that only certain people can learn. as far as i remember, it was the 4th who invented the technique and not jiraya. it seems to be the same way as it is with the chidori. only kakashi and sasuke seem to use it.

Takahashi Actually from the discussion with Tsunada, it is clear that only the fourth and Jiraya can use it. Tsunada and Orochimaru both legendary ninja like Jiraya can't, Tsunada I can understand, Orochimaru on the other hand sets out to learn al ninjitsu including forbidden ones.

As for teaching Naruto Rasengan to defend against Itachi(in the near future) is like teaching Sasuke chidori to fight Itachi, hard to summon easy to fend off.

One more thing as I viewed the first episode I saw the 4th riding on the giant toad "Boss"(forgot his name) as he was about to face off with the Kiyubi. I thought the toad said only one other person was able to ride on his back, sure there is no connections to be made here, just pointing out that the toad was kinda nostalgic at that moment.



ps. It seems that the Uzumaki is not just on Naruto, but on almost everyone elses uniform, probably a symplified version of the headguard.

PowerofGod Wait, i gotta know isn't the fourth the third's son? If i'm wrong nothing but if that's right then, Naruto would all of a sudden be related to all these different people, like Konohamaru, Asuma, and the Third himself. So if all this adds up, then why did he grow up without anybody if he had relatives in the village the whole time.



And of course not many can learn the Rasengan, only 3 people can currently use it in Naruto. But why Jiriya though him it can easily be debated, it's not really hard evidence that the 4th is Naruto's father, but the thing with the toad is a clear indication that Naruto is very similiar to the fourth, but honestly he's probably his father i mean who else could it be.

Takahashi Actually that would make Konohamaru the 4th son, cause he calls the third grampa. Wouldn't it be way more cooler to say that your the son of the 4th than the grandchild of the 3rd, father to son relationship is less distant than grandson to grandfather. Jiraya was taught by the 3rd and I think the 4th was actually a pupil of Jiraya(I could be wrong its been a long time since those episodes).

Fatal Outlaw One more thing as I viewed the first episode I saw the 4th riding on the giant toad "Boss"(forgot his name) as he was about to face off with the Kiyubi. I thought the toad said only one other person was able to ride on his back, sure there is no connections to be made here, just pointing out that the toad was kinda nostalgic at that moment.





Yes, at the end of the episode where Naruto summons the big toad, he says (to Jiraiya) "The last person to ever ride on top of me was the 4th."

PowerofGod Actually that would make Konohamaru the 4th son, cause he calls the third grampa. Wouldn't it be way more cooler to say that your the son of the 4th than the grandchild of the 3rd, father to son relationship is less distant than grandson to grandfather. Jiraya was taught by the 3rd and I think the 4th was actually a pupil of Jiraya(I could be wrong its been a long time since those episodes).

Actuallly that's another thing i've been wondering about, just who is Konohamaru's father? I mean don't you think the son or the daughter of the third would be more involved, especially when the third dies. They just really haven't gone into the parents at all. But



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Now that they're in Kakashi's back story in the past, it may reveal something about these issues, considering all characters that were dead in the present are still alive, and Kyubi hasn't been sealed yet. Or they'll just stick with Kakashi's main backstory, but i'm hoping they'll shed some light on mystery's like this one

Bishdariel i think we dont need to discuss the question, if konohamaru is the 4th son or not, since he is way to young to be the 4th child.

Takahashi Then again there is always the possibilty that Konohamaru is the son of the 4th sister or brother, which bring us back to square one. Also note that if Naruto is related to the 3rd then they wouldn't have treated him that way, more so they should worship him for being their savior son and their current Hokage grandson at the time, which honor befell Konohamaru but not on Naruto, therefore he could not be related to the third or fourth at the same time. So if Naruto is related to the 4th then the 4th isn't related to the 3rd and if the 4th is related to the 3rd than there is no connection with Naruto.

PowerofGod Right, good point. But i mean wouldn't Naruto still be praised for being the fourth's son? I mean he is a hero of the village who gave his life to save them all, so if Naruto were his son people shouldn't have hated him so much. It just doesn't make sense yet, i mean the fact that they've never really adressed who his parents were at all, noone's ever said anything about them, i mean it's just a big plot whole as of now, hopefully in the futute(i hope near futute)they'll somehow get started resolving this.

Takahashi People tends to remember bad things clearer than good things, for instance everybody remember the terrorist act on the WTC, but nobody remembers the people who rescued the survivors and if there are people who remembered they are small in numbers and will vanished with the years. The 4th is gone, but Naruto lives on as the thing they feared most, the beast that killed their relatives and friends. The fear that there is still a danger within Naruto create an omen of bad times to come, a timebomb that your sitting on just waiting to explode, the question is only when.

PowerofGod Very true, the people did hate him because of Kyubi, so it would make sense even if he was the fourth's son. But i just think right now there's not enough evidence for a conclusive answer to this, i mean they'll eventually have to bring all of this up in the manga sometime or another.



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I was just wondering is that the fourth who's travelling with Kakashi in these latest chapters, the one called Konoha's yellow flash. Because if it is then they might clue us more into Naruto's past through this.

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i guess you could kind of assume it is the 4th, because he was kakashi's teacher i think it was mentioned before *shrugs* i dont think anyone else would look like him anyway aha. I must say thou kakashi's father got owned bad from what he was saying @.@;

cryptic soul i think the 4th and naruto are related. they look too much alike. and many characters have mentioned the similarities between naruto and the 4th. and i have no idea where people get the idea that the 3rd and 4th are related. it was never even mentioned. *spoilers( for tose who haven't seen all the episodes) Itachi does call naruto the 4th's legacy, so if the 4th isn't naruto's father they still have some sort of connection. and as many have said before there had to be a special reason why naruto was chosen for the demon to be sealed in, i mean there were many other babies to choose from.

Takahashi Probably because most people would not jump at the opportunity to have a monster sealed into their kid. Due to the lack of voluntairs, he probably had no other choice but to sealed it in his own kid, kinda expectable for someone who would make the ultimate sacrifice to also sacrifice his kid along with him.

dAmaGed_tRuK i think this is kinda complicated in a way cuz Naruto really doesnt hav a family tree u can turn too. and of course if he was an actual descendent of the 4th then there would be a mother [am i rite?]. the tricky part is that it is still the 4th who brought forth naruto. Naruto is the the product left by the 4th hokage to carry on the legend of the Flash of Konoha. i mean how many characters do u c in the series with blond hair?? there are distinct characteristicts between the two and wow i think im talkin too much! to put it breifly, naruto is definitley related to the 4th Hokage :o

VandreadBaka Ok then the 4th did look like naruto but I think his Parents where labed as killed or went missing "bodys never found but belived killed". but remeber ween Ocuto* "bad guy", had some people in like jails he had them fight to the death so he could have the body of the best one their, the guy that won for a long shot could be Naruto's dad, for he was drawn simmler to naruto, he could have looked way differnt then he was, but thats how it was. so if those that went missing where realy capturd by "Bad guy" then they would have been listed as Dead/missing. any one kinda understand what in going for???

Takahashi Probably not, this guy was still in his teen, Naruto father would be in his late 20 early 30 like Kakashi.

Nagha's revenge I think everyone thinks Naruto is the fourth's son. There is a very strong probability that the fourth, who created both the 'Death god' and the 'Rasengan' justus, sealed the Kyubi into Naruto with a variation Death god Jutsu because he was not strong enough to defeate it (think about how insanely strong the Kyubi is). The Death god killed the fourth.

The Kyubi was sealed in Naruto to help him, or to protect him. It stands to reason that the motive of the forth to choose Naruto is because Naruto is his son. And because the fourth was about to sacrifice himself, leaving Naruto orphaned, he wanted to give his son something that would protect him. A guardian if you will.

The flipside is that Naruto and the fourth are the same person. Remember how once your soul is consumed by the Death god the spirit of the victim and the summoner continue to battle each other for eternity in it's stomach? That is what Naruto and the Kyubi are doing. It's open to speculation that the fourth created a final jutsu to compliment the Death god, a reincarnation jutsu.

People treat Naruto badly because they fear the Kyubi inside of him, regardless of who's son he is. If they even would know about the fourth's son. And if it's a reincarnation perhaps they think it's just a reincarnation of the Kyubi. Don't forget that only a select few know about Naruto.



Naruto is not related to the third, nor is the third related to the fourth. The fourth is the third's pupil just like Jiraiya, the fifth, and Orochimaru. The third choose the fourth over Orochimaru to become Hokage. The fourth and the third share no common traits.



The Rasengan is not a bloodline limit. Anyone can learn it but no one understands it enough to copy it. It involves no hand seals so a Sharingan can not copy it. It would be like Sasuke copying Rock Lee's speed in their first battle. Not done. You have to understand and them master the jutsu. Yes the characters in Naruto are dumb. Hehe.



Gamabunta (Boss frog) was only tamed by the fourth, no one else up to chapter 248 has been able to tame him. Gamabunta is Jiraiya's equal, and the Naruto's better. Hence it is always a risk summoning him.



Jiraiya taught Naruto the Rasengan because he saw something of himself and the fourth in Naruto. Also noticing he had the Kyubi, and Akatsuki hunting him helped. By the time he taught him the Rasengan he had already decided on making Naruto his pupil, in this context and taking into account that Naruto will probably learn more supplemental jutsus him learning the Rasengan is less strange. Kinda like those boys from Brazil.



Rasengan, like Chidori, is an execution move. Like a hard punch it's slow but once landed it delivers a killing blow. Think about Kakashi, he never used Raikiri (Lightning edge/Chidori) in mid battle like Naruto uses Rasengan. Even Sasuke uses better judgement in his exam fight against Gaara.



That's all right?



Does anyone know if Naruto really means "Fish cake"?

takaru Yeah I heard that Naruto was related to the Fourth as well. I don't remember if it was on another forum or what.

warlock Nice Nagha, anyways I was also wondering about the Death God technique. They did say that user and the target would die or something so it may somehow be true that Naruto is the reincarnation of the Fourth since Naruto possessed the seal, but it may also be true that naruto is related or perhaps the son of the fourth.



One thing is that the Death god technique used by the fourth was a little different from the one used by the third in his battle against Orochimaru, caused the user and target was supposed to end up inside the Death god so why is the kiyubi inside Naruto?



Well, I think things like make an anime more interesting as all we can do is speculate and think and be creative in solving the mysteries!!



Another thing, was the fourth really a student of the Third or was he a student of Jiraiya or Tsunade?? I think that the latter was more like the order of things. The former students becomes the teacher of the next generation of ninjas!!!

HolyWhippet IIRC, the third Hokage taught the three Sannin - Jiraiya, Ororchimaru and Tsunade. Jiraiya had three students - one of them was the fourth Hokage. The fourth Hokage had three students - one of them was Kakashi.



If Naruto is the son of the fourth Hokage then Jiraiya doesn't know it since he commented once that Naruto reminds him a bit of the fourth in looks and behaviour.



It's unclear if the fourth Hokage invented the Rasengan or not. He was, by all reports, an absolutely brilliant ninja. I read that ninja from other villages were advised to surrender if they came up against him in the field. So potentially he could have invented the Rasengan. What Jiraiya did say was that it took something like three (or was it six) years for the fourth to master that technique. The word in the subtitled version I saw was master, as opposed to invent so it might have been something Jiraiya learned or invented. On the other hand, when Iruka sees Naruto use the Rasengan he notes it as being the "fourth's" technique.



I'm also not sure if Jiraiya expected Naruto to master the technique at all. It seems to me he just wanted to force Naruto to learn how to better focus his chakra since that was one of his weakest areas.



If I was to place a bet I'd say Naruto is in some way a relative of the fourth. They allude to the similarities a bit too much for it to be a coincidence. They never talk about Naruto's parents/family/clan at all so there's no help there.



As for the Sharingan, my guess is that it allows the user to memorize the physical and chakra actions of a target. They can then replicate the technique by doing the same. Bloodline limits can't be copied because they depend upon the genetic makeup or physical characteristic of the user like the Byakagun. As such, I suspect Sasuke could work out how the Rasegan is done with his Sharingan. But, that doesn't mean he could copy it for much the same reason he can't watch Rock Lee and duplicate his speed. The Rasengan requires a lot of chakra strength and control. Sasuke might not be strong enough or have enough control to pull it off. Also, one of the tricks to the Rasengan is knowing which direction your chakra normally flows. Jiraiya points out to Naruto which direction his chakra goes. If Sasuke's chakra goes the opposite direction he could be wasting his time trying to duplicate the trick exactly.

Kusunagi They do favor each other in the drawings also. If you pay attention, the are the only 2 blonde males in Kahona (SP)

stdio.h http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/naruto/uzumaki01t.jpg



If you look at the larger version of that image somewhere (I have the artbook) it seems pretty clear to me that naruto and the fourth share traits that imply they are related.

HolyWhippet They do favor each other in the drawings also. If you pay attention, the are the only 2 blonde males in Kahona (SP)



True, but Ino and Tsunade are both blonde females and there is no indication they are related. Hair colour is generally used as an indicator in anime though. Eh, we'll find out eventually.

Kusunagi Dang I forgot about Ino!

Gundam_pilot01 Well its not just the hair colour, the hair style and the colour of they're eyes are also the same if I'm not mistaken right?



Would be a cool twist if it turned out that he was his son.

HolyWhippet An even more cool and unusual twist is if he somehow is the fourth Hokage reborn. Think about it, his name is essentially meaningless. Naruto is a type of fish product and Uzimaki means whirlpool which is the pattern that appears on Naruto. He appears to have no family or Clan to belong to.

stdio.h I'm guessing that the fourth didn't graduate bottom of his class though :3

HolyWhippet Different circumstances. Naruto is lonely and ostracised by most of the village. Hence, he spends a lot of time acting up just to get attention rather than focusing on his studies. The fourth, presumably, grew up in a better environment.



Now that Naruto has gotten more acceptance, he's showing a lot more flashes of brilliance. He learned the rasengan in weeks rather than months. He even outmanouvered Neji in the exams which was a huge shock.

Cell14 Yes, the 4th hokage is Naruto's father.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki I would be disappointed if Naruto turned out to be the 4th's son. I always lived under that impression, but re-watching the series has me thinking that if he is the 4th's son, then the show has been very deceptive. The way things are worded and arranged, makes it highly unlikely he could be the Hokage's son.

If they turn it around now, certain statements earlier in the series would be invalidated and it'd be a huge pain in the arse.

Bishdariel the further the series advances, the more unlikely i think it is, that naruto is the 4th's son. I guess, everybody would have payed a lot more attention to him from the beginning instead of ignoring him, even if he has the kyuubi inside him. and why would the 4th have a reason to hide that he has a son?

Pengi_Ken-Ohki the further the series advances, the more unlikely i think it is, that naruto is the 4th's son. I guess, everybody would have payed a lot more attention to him from the beginning instead of ignoring him, even if he has the kyuubi inside him. and why would the 4th have a reason to hide that he has a son?





More importantly, why would the series need to hide it in plain sight? I simply cannot imagine that Naruto or his friends are so utterly stupid that nobody ever checked into Naruto's ancestry.



In fact, I'd dearly like there to be some more information on his family. For the simple reason that most of his power seems to stem from the fox. Everyone else has clans and family traditions and all that. What would Naruto be without the fox? One of those weak nobodys who always die whenever a ninja dressed weirdly shows up? Can he only become hokage due to borrowing power?

HolyWhippet In fact, I'd dearly like there to be some more information on his family. For the simple reason that most of his power seems to stem from the fox. Everyone else has clans and family traditions and all that. What would Naruto be without the fox? One of those weak nobodys who always die whenever a ninja dressed weirdly shows up? Can he only become hokage due to borrowing power?



Have you been reading the fan translated manga? If I've understood it correctly (and it's been translated correctly), Kakashi tells Naruto that he has a naturally large reserve of chakra. Very large - enough so that he'd be exceptional even without the fox. The reason Naruto can't tap into this reserve is because a lot of his chakra is automatically being used up to supress the demon fox's chakra within him. If he didn't the demon fox would begin to take control of him.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki Yeh, they do mention that in the anime as well. Well, maybe not the detail about where his extra chakra is going.



However, Chouji could arguebly have huge chakra (or is it just huge chakra potential/generation?) yet he doesn't rate. So chakra isn't the be all and end all. Sasuke without sharingan for instance, would steal have large chakra but again not much else.

kamikazefstorm This is something I need to know too! (just read chpt. 342! :D )

Cashi they look EXACTLY the same.Im pretty sure they are at least related,but i think the 4ths his father.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki But isn't that dumb? As a fan, will you feel its a huge revelation if the 4th turns out to be Naruto's dad? As a person, wont you think its odd that Naruto never at least tried to find out who his family were?



If the 4th is his dad, he should never become hokage. It'd prove Neji right, and it'd prove that Naruto is too stupid to do homework, let alone deal with the subtleties involved in running a village.

kamikazefstorm As a person, wont you think its odd that Naruto never at least tried to find out who his family were?





Which brings up another question:

How did Naruto get his own house at his age?

SamIam Which brings up another question:

How did Naruto get his own house at his age?



hmmm ... that thought did cross my mind as well, I am guessing that the author may have presupposed emancipation at an earlier age than what we are used to in our reality.



... although, I find it somewhat implausible that the authorities would allow Naruto loose being what he is as well as the vessel for the 9 tailed fox.



IMO he should have become the last student of the 3rd Hokage ... just so that he could be monitored closely/trained and or restrained if the containment spell ever broke ... then when he died, it would be logical for "Toad Man" Juraiya to take over as Narutos mentor ...



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HolyWhippet The fact that he has the fox sealed into him was supposed to be a big secret. If he was given close supervision it would have been obvious that there was something different about him. Besides, the wish of the fourth Hokage was that Naruto would be respected for his "sacrifice" by being the vessel in which the fox is contained. Keeping him under close security wouldn't have fit with this.

SamIam The fact that he has the fox sealed into him was supposed to be a big secret. If he was given close supervision it would have been obvious that there was something different about him. Besides, the wish of the fourth Hokage was that Naruto would be respected for his "sacrifice" by being the vessel in which the fox is contained. Keeping him under close security wouldn't have fit with this.



True ... but consider the request ... and what would be defined as a reasonable request at that ...



Yes, let us respect the child by absolutely isolating him and forcing him to live alone ... in order to keep it a secret (only from Naruto - as it appears everyone else knows).



Instead of giving him into the care of the wisest and most powerful of the villagers ... namely the 3rd Hokage. The excuse being, that (plausible made up story) i.e. something along the lines of ultra heroic sacrifice of parents to save the 3rd hokage and or help the 4th to contain the 9 tailed fox.



... or at the very least, make him the protege of Juraiya from the get go ... as enforced or requested from the 3rd Hokage.



Sam

HolyWhippet ... or at the very least, make him the protege of Juraiya from the get go ... as enforced or requested from the 3rd Hokage.



Sam



Jiraiya was away from the village for a long time. It was a surprise when he did return as he was trying to avoid making the village's problems his own. Growing up with him would not have given Naruto a normal childhood.

SamIam Jiraiya was away from the village for a long time. It was a surprise when he did return as he was trying to avoid making the village's problems his own. Growing up with him would not have given Naruto a normal childhood.



Well, "normal" is a relative term, especially for someone like Naruto ... think Lone Wolf and Cub or Kenshin and Hiko Seijuro ...

Pengi_Ken-Ohki I figure that ninjas must be used to children being orphans. A ninja village wouldnt be as cosy as our world. If a child couldnt raise himself independantly from a young age, what kind of ninja could he hope to be?



The 3rd Hokage didn't even give the attention to Konohamaru that he needed. Let alone Naruto.



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Super_cyp Naruto is most likely the 4ths son, The indication of Gamabunta(the giant toad only the 4th and Naruto have been able to summon) as well as the rasengan being passed on from Jiraiya, perhaps it could be like the 3rd's death. The 3rd was prepared for battle in the chuunin exams he even had his armou maybe the 4th knew trouble was coming and sensed his time had come or something and left a message for Jiraiya to train Naruto when he was 12 or something. Also Naruto being left alone could have been a kind of training that the 3rd thought would help Naruto in the future. Just think if naruto was a spoilt brat he wouldn't be making friends with almost everyone he meets. The manga has said very little about Naruto's parents and its up to chapter 346 now. Anyhow just my thoughts on things.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki I think you're overestimating the 3rd. He was surprised that Naruto could harness his fox chakra at the chuunin exams. He often had oversights like that. I think he was fond of Naruto, but not quite the grandfather that we are expecting him to be, or the omniscient leader of the ninja.



There are plausible exlanations for all that naruto accomplishes (fox chakra allows Gamabunta summon, stubborn will for rasengan etc). If he really were the child of a Hokage, fox or no, I imagine that there'd be great expectation of him like with Sasuke. Furthermore, I cannot imagine an entire village remaining ignorant of his lineage. Its just too implausible. Only Iruka and the 3rd supported Naruto. Someone as loved as a Hokage surely could not have a son that every single person despised over the fox incident.



Hell, even Gaara doesn't have that many obstacles, and he was actively in control of his chakra when he wiped out members of the village.

kamikazefstorm Someone as loved as a Hokage surely could not have a son that every single person despised over the fox incident.



Anger and hatred are powerful emotions.......... :(

HolyWhippet I think you're overestimating the 3rd. He was surprised that Naruto could harness his fox chakra at the chuunin exams. He often had oversights like that. I think he was fond of Naruto, but not quite the grandfather that we are expecting him to be, or the omniscient leader of the ninja.



IIRC, the Third's reaction to Naruto calling out the demon fox chakra was "When did he learn to do that?". He didn't think "How could he possibly do that?". I'd say he knew that Naruto had the potential to call out the demon fox chakra but didn't expect him to have learnt it by this point. The perverted hermit was the reason for this, the Third had no reason to suspect that Naruto would run into him or that he'd teach Naruto how to draw out the fox chakra.



The third didn't seem overly panicked about Naruto learning this trick so I assume the Third expected him to learn it at some point.

Bishdariel hmmm, after reading the last chapter of naruto (i think it was 367) and not being able to check the boards for a few days, i thought that this thread would have been revived. :D:D:D:D

or what do u think????

SamIam hmmm, after reading the last chapter of naruto (i think it was 367) and not being able to check the boards for a few days, i thought that this thread would have been revived. :D:D:D:D

or what do u think????





... it can't hurt!



hmmmm ... after all this time, I still on the fence as to whether Naruto is linked to the 4th Hokage ... granted the looks are similar and the abilities seem somewhat similar (insofar as absolute accomplishents) ... but the personalities are totally different.



I'm not sure about the age, of the 4th Hokage too, he looks pretty young to be a father of a 12/13 year old boy ... but then looks can be decieving.



... my guess at this point is that there is a linkage, but more akin to being a brother or half brother ... or perhaps even some kind of "personality" transfer as a side effect of the seal ritual used to imprison the the 9 tail fox ... perhaps, a tiny part of the 4th Hokage resides within Naruto as an overlay to his native personality?



Sam

HolyWhippet The fourth Hokage was old enough to train a young Kakashi as part of the team under his command so he was easily old enough to have a kid. The conversation was a bit ambiguous, they didn't explicitly say that the fourth was Naruto's father but they dropped some hints. That being said, it's likely that Naruto is considered to be part of his mother's clan since she was from the whirlpool country which is what Uzimaki means.



Personalities aren't always conclusive proof. Shikamaru is similar to his father for example, but Hinata isn't anything like her father. A more telling indicater is Naruto's charkra type IMO. They've said that clans tend to have an affinity with a particular chakra element - the Uchiha clan being strong with fire for example. Both the fourth and Naruto are both wind types.

SamIam The fourth Hokage was old enough to train a young Kakashi as part of the team under his command so he was easily old enough to have a kid. The conversation was a bit ambiguous, they didn't explicitly say that the fourth was Naruto's father but they dropped some hints. That being said, it's likely that Naruto is considered to be part of his mother's clan since she was from the whirlpool country which is what Uzimaki means.



Personalities aren't always conclusive proof. Shikamaru is similar to his father for example, but Hinata isn't anything like her father. A more telling indicater is Naruto's charkra type IMO. They've said that clans tend to have an affinity with a particular chakra element - the Uchiha clan being strong with fire for example. Both the fourth and Naruto are both wind types.



Hmmmm... good point about training Kakashi, I had forgotton about that ... and interesting tidbit about Uzumaki = Whirlpool? ... or perhaps Whirlwind? Somehow though, I get the feeling that the story would be almost to pat if Naruto was the the son ... the writer seems a bit more devious than that ... case in point, the writers penchant for sibling rivalry ... the primary model being Sasuke and Itachi ... somehow, to me it seems more likely that the 4th. is a much older brother ... and that thus almost karmic parallels between the archtype of brotherly competition and bonding.



As I see it, Sasuke/Naruto live in the shadow of those who came before ... and due to this adversity, strive to near superhuman levels to overcome the barrier of being (Itachis younger brother)/(that 9-tailed brat with no "confirmed" relations) ... and so as a plot kicker, it would not surprise me if Naruto finds out his lineage somehow to unsurprisingly ambivalent and contradictory feelings ... of anger, sadness, regret, pride ... and just perhaps, a touch of fear that despite his will, he has big shoes to fill ... all the more daunting if the high standards we expected due to his lineage.



Sam

Bishdariel hmmm, i think it should be clear now, that the fourth is his father, at least if the translation of chapter 367 is correct.

especially when tsunade says, that his mother became so beautiful when she grew up and then admits that naruto looks a lot like his father and jiraya replies that this is the reason why he sees him in naruto. that is the point where it is clear. they have only been talking about narutos mother and the fourth.

SamIam hmmm, i think it should be clear now, that the fourth is his father, at least if the translation of chapter 367 is correct.

especially when tsunade says, that his mother became so beautiful when she grew up and then admits that naruto looks a lot like his father and jiraya replies that this is the reason why he sees him in naruto. that is the point where it is clear. they have only been talking about narutos mother and the fourth.



hmmm ... I admit, that does sound convincing from the circumstantial standpoint ... (sigh) I have not been able to keep up with the latest manga ... and its beginning to show haha ...



Sa,

Bishdariel haha, u r right.



maybe u should try to hop on again, since it is getting really interesting these days.

especially some loose strings have been picked up and seem to be revealed soon!

Gundam_pilot01 Read the latest Manga, I think it kinda confirms it :)

HolyWhippet Yes, but it raises another question. If Naruto only got the light chakra from the Nine Tails, what happened to the dark chakra?

SamIam Yes, but it raises another question. If Naruto only got the light chakra from the Nine Tails, what happened to the dark chakra?



ohhhh ... this is beginning to sound like star wars ... but that may not be a bad thing. Maybe the "Dark Chakra" is what pushes Naruto to the next level of power? (The obvious danger being that it has the tendancy to corrupt the individual?)

HolyWhippet The light chakra seems to be doing a good enough job of that by itself. Light? Heck, the nine tails within him wants Naruto to go on a killing spree so I don't know how light it is.



Maybe the dark chakra was sealed up inside that death God?

SamIam The light chakra seems to be doing a good enough job of that by itself. Light? Heck, the nine tails within him wants Naruto to go on a killing spree so I don't know how light it is.



Maybe the dark chakra was sealed up inside that death God?



... hmmmm ... that could be problem ... if the the 9 tails power indicates the 'good' aspect, then what can one expect from the 'dark" side? A desire ... or sheer killing and carnage for its own sake? ... @@' not good.



The scary part though ... is that it seems that the forbidden or dark jutsus tend to be more powerful than the sanctioned ones? ... but thats the trap I suppose, the lure of "easy" power, at the cost to ones soul.



Sam

stealyphil99 I just read chapter 382 and I must say the manga is getting damn good. I guess this hasn't been posted on in a while. But we know now that the 4th is Naruto's father. I saw it coming but it finally happened, poor Jiraiya. His death was a worthy death for a legendary Sennin. There always has to be a few big deaths in stories like these. Once Naruto learns of this he'll be even more deterimed to become stronger.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki I'd prefer it if the Fourth were his uncle. Introducing this "shock" this late in the game is just crap. They better have a good story for covering why Jiraiya etc would just fail to mention for YEARS what Naruto's lineage was.

HolyWhippet I'd prefer it if the Fourth were his uncle. Introducing this "shock" this late in the game is just crap. They better have a good story for covering why Jiraiya etc would just fail to mention for YEARS what Naruto's lineage was.



Think about how secretive a lot of the ninja villages are. The Hyuuga clan in particular guard the secret of the byakagun closely. The fourth was a legendary type ninja, and with him gone there is no close family to protect Naruto. You can be sure that other villages would be interested in him if they knew his lineage. The best way to keep the secret would be to not tell even Naruto.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki Which is why everyone knew Gaara's lineage. Which is why Naruto wears bright orange.



Sorry but the "Ninja are subtle, deceptive and secretive" goes right out the window when they start screaming their move and describing the exact chakra flows that create their ability.



To me it is a serious plot issue. We knew early on that the probability of relation was high. Why has it taken this many years for it to come out? Is the author just a jerk or what?



Naruto should've known, or should have asked. To show no interest in your parents or your hokage is someone that should not be put in charge of protecting the village.

bankaimaster It's a possibility but I don't know .... it could be and it might not.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki Seriously, consider Naruto's age and consider how many generations ago it all happened. You have a 16yo Obama getting up and saying he'll be the next President but having no farking clue who Bill Clinton was.

Now imagine Bill Clinton was his dad.

And he STILL didn't know.



Weak, just ------- weak.

kamikazefstorm Seriously, consider Naruto's age and consider how many generations ago it all happened. You have a 16yo Obama getting up and saying he'll be the next President but having no farking clue who Bill Clinton was.

Now imagine Bill Clinton was his dad.

And he STILL didn't know.



Weak, just ------- weak.



One: He was a village out-cast for most of his life and was too pre-occupied pulling pranks to care. ;)

Two: His personality does not support much caring about the past or the future, only about living in the present. :D

Three: One does not NEED to know ones past to dream about ones future. :cool:







Also, I do believe the answer to the subject was answered a number of chapters ago. Too busy to go double check at the moment though......>.>

Pengi_Ken-Ohki Village "outcast" (something the filler episodes seriously bring into question/undermine) but he still attended school and should have had education about the greatest leaders of the village. It shouldnt be that hard, the Village has only existed for a few generations.



Being an outcast, or "living in the present" is all well and good..until you try to be the PILLAR of the community. I think a pre-requisite for that should be actually giving a ---- about something the community cares about, or demonstrating your own values by learning about who you are.

kamikazefstorm Being an outcast, or "living in the present" is all well and good..until you try to be the PILLAR of the community. I think a pre-requisite for that should be actually giving a ---- about something the community cares about, or demonstrating your own values by learning about who you are.



That kind of thing is cared about more by OTHER people, especially if his parentage would throw a shadow over what kind of person he is. Example: "Hey guys! I just found out my dad is Orochimaru! Who wants to follow me now?"

Who a person is related to shouldn't matter.

Pengi_Ken-Ohki Its not about the relation, its about the connection.

crazyplay don't you guys know that they are father and son ?

Walron Hello I want to participate in these forums. The subject of this thread is about the the 4th's son, yes?

I have something for you.

Walron Check this out Takahashi, I'm a brand new memeber and I know a lot about naruto. I'll be setting these account things up soon. Well anyway :-



Naruto is the 4th's son! Naruto's Father is the Fourth Hokage!

Chapter 367 of the Naruto manga, by Masashi Kishimoto, titled "Itachi and Sasuke", confirmed the true identity of Naruto Uzumaki being a son of the Fourth Hokage, Minato Uzumaki, also known as The Flash, and mother to Kushina Uzumaki, female ninja from the whirlpool country.



Naruto got his looks from his Father, and his attitude and ninjutsu style from his Mother, Tsunade and Jiraiya said. Hope you got it :D:D:D:D:D

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