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Holden MacNeal, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back "This is a site populated by militant movie buffs: sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop discussing."

A good fandom is successful by having a diverse community of people who share a mutual interest in the shared object of the fandom, but nevertheless remain mature and sensible enough to tolerate and respect differences of opinion. Most people in fandoms are actually like this.

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Then there's Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb is the underbelly, where Serious Business becomes obsession.

The key characteristics of a Fan Dumb tend to be people with an overdeveloped sense of entitlement and/or victimization, and (usually) an underdeveloped sense of humor or perspective about the subject of their fandom, coupled with an obsessive level of interest and (frequently) some rather irrational views on the whole thing. Finally, we can also mix this with the inability to distinguish fact from opinion and/or disagreement from hatred that so many people on the internet seem to be suffering from these days (despite these lessons typically being instilled in kindergarten). They usually believe that the very fact that they are fans of something somehow entitles them to special or exclusive treatment, or that they are being persecuted by numerous different parties (the creator, the producers, other fans, the world at large, etc.) because of their fandom.

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They are nearly always people who have completely lost perspective on exactly how important or special the franchise, the fandom and their views on same is in the scheme of things, and don't understand why others don't feel the same as they do. As such, they tend to view even polite or minor disagreement with them and their views as a personal attack, which often leads to them adopting an irrationally combative, defensive tone towards others in response; in discussion, they will usually resort to unrelated ad hominem attacks on others and place value judgments on them, not their arguments  expect snide comments about race, gender, sexual orientation, age, etc. (the correct response to such insults is to say "not an argument"). And any jokes made about the subject of the fandom (or them) will be responded to either with out-of-proportion offense (often peppered with plenty of F-bombing) or a humorless deconstruction of why the joke is "inaccurate". Particularly nasty examples may invite others to fight them or insinuate that they are too cowardly to say anything in person, make threats of violence, "doxx" the other party (that is, publish their contact info online without their consent), or (on occasion) actually engage in violent or threatening behavior in person.

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The end result of all these people believe passionately that they're the champion elites of the fandom, guarding and preserving what makes it special, whilst ultimately contributing little of any actual value to the property or the fandom, even contributing to its ruining in the process. As a general rule of thumb, the phrase "True Fans" (or some variation thereof) being thrown around is often a red flag that you're dealing with Fan Dumb, particularly if it's being self-applied; the subtext (or text), of course, is "I'm a True Fan, and you're not."

Although a Fan Dumb often holds idiosyncratic views about the franchise and demonstrates a passionate interest in it, it is important to note that neither controversial views nor intense interest are necessarily an indication of Fan Dumb in and of themselves. Differing viewpoints are inevitable in a large gathering of people (and knee-jerk objection to a differing opinion simply because it's a differing opinion is often a good sign that you belong in Fan Dumb yourself), and most people join fandoms in the first place because they're passionate about something and they want to celebrate it with other people who find it special. Many people manage to hold contrary or passionately enthusiastic viewpoints whilst still remaining civil and decent; similarly, many dismissed as Fan Dumb hold views that, on the surface, are actually quite reasonable. The problem with Fan Dumb is not necessarily the level of interest or the viewpoint, but the way it is expressed; even a reasonable argument will sound insane if it's being screamed in someone's face.

Taking these fans too seriously is a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, they are a decided minority in almost every fandom (though they often claim to be a majority). Fan Dumb also tends to suffer from an extreme case of Fan Myopia, regardless of what kind they are; in any variation, they are often intractably convinced that the views of "the fans" (or more accurately, their personal views that they've confused with the majority's views) are both more widespread and more mainstream than they are. If you're a producer, pandering to them is usually a good way to make your franchise crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the franchise crash and burn.

See also Single-Issue Wonk. A specific example is Die for Our Ship. Fan Dumb is a number one contributing factor to both Artist Disillusionment and Fan Disillusionment. Although often a minority, the shrill obnoxiousness of this kind of fan has nevertheless permeated enough people's impressions to construct the stereotype of the Straw Fan. Can be confused easily with a Troll, but, as a rule of thumb, bear in mind that a Fan Dumb is NOT a Troll. See also Unpleasable Fanbase and Broken Base for the massive versions of this.

Compare with Viewers Are Morons. Contrast with Hate Dumb, although the two have been known to spawn one another. Not to be confused with the Web Comic of the same name, the first page of which can be found here .

Sadly, every fandom has to deal with this and all of its variations, no matter how much they deny it and how much they wish this problem didn't exist. Trust us, these people even annoy the creators of the things that you like as much as they annoy the rest of us. We admit that even TV Tropes has its problems with Fan Dumb of its own. Don't worry, Fan Dumb are usually just a Vocal Minority. Keep that in mind if you decide to put this as an example to any media or see this in any media here. Most fans of a thing, including yourself (unless you actually do fit this (and you know if you do)), are not complete and utter morons and just want to enjoy it like everyone else. And on the same flip of the coin, everyone (yes, including you) has probably been guilty of at least one Fan Dumb moment at some point in their lives if they're being honest; the key thing is being grown-up enough to be able to recognize, acknowledge, and correct your mistake, then move on rather than getting locked near-permanently into that mindset.

As a footnote, to a devoted member of the Hatedom, any form of Fandom appears like Fan Dumb. Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb are light and darkness in these regards in that one cannot exist without the other. In fact, the two can often fuel each other, with Hate Dumb causing normally rational fans to become overly defensive and engage in Fan Dumb behavior, while Fan Dumb can transform reasonable critique into a whirlwind of hatred directed at the fandom itself, contributing to Hate Dumb behavior.

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Common Fan Dumb variants include:

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Anarchist

Fans who take Death of the Author too far, ignoring everything from Word of God to the point of refusing to accept official canon.

Character Lover

The Character Lovers are identified through their fixation on a particular character appearing within the story rather than the story itself, which they then take to extremes. They often come in one of two variants: Mad Bride/Groom : This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the franchise, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. Their attachment to the character could be an actual crush (in which case, expect them to write fanfiction that ships them with an Author Avatar) but it could also just be the concept of a favourite character, taken up to eleven. These people often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the franchise if/when their favourite character is left out of it. The lack of this character's involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the Tinfoiler ; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom, the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character, rather than because they're unable to fit them into the story (there are a few cases where the creator actually hated the character, but "they're unable to fit them into the story" is far more likely). Tellingly, the fans often have a rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character that they adore. Shippers are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character with whom the fan actually identifies directly, or if they become involved in a Love Triangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) the Hate Monger. One should ask the Mad Bride/Groom to compare the amount of screentime they want of their crush to the amount the central protagonist already gets (unless their crush is the central protagonist, in which case you should point out that any character would quickly become dull in a vacuum), and also point out that the producers would then get numerous other complaints from the Mad Brides/Grooms of all the other characters. For their own sake, it should also be pointed out to them that people who display this degree of affection for real-life people tend to get restraining orders placed upon them. Mad Protector : When Mad Brides/Grooms get a bit too overprotective, they take tips from the Hate Dumb. They like a character and spew bile at any other characters they perceive to be mean or doing horrible things to the character. It doesn't matter if the "meanies did mean or horrible things because it makes sense in the story, they're just doing their job as villains, their actions weren't even that bad, or even if theyre retaliating for something mean that was done to them  what matters is "how dare that character be mean to my baby!" And so begins the Mad Protectors hatred to those "meanies," putting them into a disliked list, demonizing and maybe even becoming Hate Mongers for that meanie, on the basis that they are so mean to the character they love. Sometimes, if the meanie is just exceptionally mean and universally hated, this might not look like not quite a Fan Dumb. Most of the time, though, they love to attack "meanies" with their own reasons to be mean. They also tend to write Accusation Fics and are quick to label a character they perceive as mean as a Karma Houdini.

: This fan is more a fan of a specific character than the franchise, with the series largely being a vehicle to enjoy them. Their attachment to the character could be an actual crush (in which case, expect them to write fanfiction that ships them with an Author Avatar) but it could also just be the concept of a favourite character, taken up to eleven. These people often take this to the extent that they refuse to follow the franchise if/when their favourite character is left out of it. The lack of this character's involvement in the series or characterization going off in another direction than expected often turns this fan into a more personalized version of the ; in this case, according to the Mad Bride/Groom, the producers are doing what they do because they have a personal vendetta against this character, rather than because they're unable to fit them into the story (there are a few cases where the creator actually hated the character, but "they're unable to fit them into the story" is far more likely). Tellingly, the fans often have a rather idealized, if not distorted, view of the character that they adore. Shippers are heavily associated with these sorts of fans; this can become doubly worrisome if the character they like is involved with another character with whom the fan actually identifies directly, or if they become involved in a Love Triangle. Contrast with (and sometimes rivals to) the Hate Monger. One should ask the Mad Bride/Groom to compare the amount of screentime they want of their crush to the amount the central protagonist already gets (unless their crush is the central protagonist, in which case you should point out that any character would quickly become dull in a vacuum), and also point out that the producers would then get numerous other complaints from the Mad Brides/Grooms of all the other characters. For their own sake, it should also be pointed out to them that people who display this degree of affection for real-life people tend to get restraining orders placed upon them. Insane Avatar: Fans who associate themselves with a single character and hates any who criticize that character. These fans will idolize, nay, see themselves as a character from something they love. Everything associated with said character is something they would or should do. Everyone who has a slightly different opinion other than that the character in question is "awesome" is wrong. "Those people cannot understand why [Character X] does those things! How could they?! Only I understand them!" is a common mantra for this fan, who will also reduce all sorts of questions to "What Would X Do?" This fan will also fight tooth and nail when defending any ships this character is in. The Insane Avatar should be asked one simple question: "Why on Earth should we all be forced to place character X on such a high pedestal solely because you have so much in common with them? Fact and opinion are not the same thing."

Fans whose mania revolves around a character or a few specific characters more than the work as a whole.

Chicken Little

Fans who are paranoid about their favorite franchise being ruined or cancelled.

Culture Alien

These fans often seem to have no Willing Suspension of Disbelief , often leading them to criticize or refuse to accept plots, characters and themes that might be necessary or even essential for that franchise or genre to function . They often appear to be members of a Periphery Demographic who cannot or do not wish to accept that the franchise is not actually aimed directly at them (if at all), and yet resent the fact that it is not actually aimed at them. Therefore, any complaints about how it's not aimed at them are legitimate complaints and considered "weaknesses." If the work in question is aimed specifically at children, expect this kind of fan to pick out dubious evidence from the work as "proof" that it is actually for adults.

Fans outside the franchise's demographic who complain because the franchise isn't being directed at them.

Edgelord

Fans who want a work to take a Darker and Edgier turn despite their idea of "dark and edgy" being exceedingly juvenile.

Elitist

These fans tend to spring up when the franchise goes from being a cult favorite to the mainstream. They present themselves in contrast to these 'mainstream' fans, and look down on fans who did not like it when it was niche. They are often prone to "I judge you if you like..." or "I judge people based on whether they have seen..." They tend to resent the influx of new fans as "plebeians" and "Johnny-come-latelys" who are infiltrating and bringing down the tone of their previously exclusive, niche little club. As an ego-stroking exercise , they might actually try to set themselves up as an elite and attract any lickspittles and mimics they can find; alternatively, expect to hear a lot of whining about how the franchise has "Sold Out" or "Gone Commercial" , whether it's true or false. Ask this person why on Earth their enjoyment of a franchise should be affected by the fact that some guy 2,000 miles away is also enjoying the franchise but without being of group X.

The cliché hipsters of a fandom.

Fandom Moral Guardian

Self-appointed Moral Guardians who will scream about any sign of "dark" or mature themes in works, fan-made or otherwise.

Highbrow

Like the Elitist, you can identify Highbrow fans by an apparent belief that they are somehow superior to other fans or the public at large; in this case, however, their superiority stems from their (supposed) sophistication and intellectual prowess. Tends to come in one of three variants: Toxic Genius : Fans who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this franchise is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often wildly off-mark) analysis of the franchise. Many times the Toxic Geniuses are often shown as being single-character-interpreters blind to Alternate Character Interpretation, believing that only their interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, they will not allow anyone to view the character any differently.

: Fans who seem to believe that the fact that other people are disagreeing with their strongly held opinions is not because they have different but equally strongly held opinions, but because they're just so much smarter than they are that they can't recognize their correctness. The operative term is usually "you just don't get it" (i.e."you're much stupider than I am and thus can't see why this franchise is amazing/dreadful"), couched in as patronizing and condescending a fashion as possible. This variant can also be found engaging in slightly pretentious (and often wildly off-mark) analysis of the franchise. Many times the Toxic Geniuses are often shown as being single-character-interpreters blind to Alternate Character Interpretation, believing that only their interpretation of the character is correct. (Seen especially in character-heavy works like books, film, and some video games.) Likewise, they will not allow anyone to view the character any differently. Toxic Visionary : Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionaries use their perceived intelligence as a weapon ... except they think they're smarter than the creators. Self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) experts on everything, the Visionaries are given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don't understand their own work as much as they do, often peppered with phrases such as "I don't like the direction [the creator] is taking in [insert work here], "I'm not an expert on [X], but..." and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying "I could have written it better," said completely without irony. They can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent Subtext, earnestly trying to settle questions the creators would rather leave unanswered and overestimating the significance of "hard" fandom as a whole.

: Like the Genius, the Toxic Visionaries use their perceived intelligence as a weapon ... except they think they're smarter than the creators. Self-proclaimed (if falsely-humble) experts on everything, the Visionaries are given to long discussions about how the creators clearly don't understand their own work as much as they do, often peppered with phrases such as "I don't like the direction [the creator] is taking in [insert work here], "I'm not an expert on [X], but..." and even, in sufficiently bare-faced examples, outright coming out and saying "I could have written it better," said completely without irony. They can usually be found picking over the work for nonexistent Subtext, earnestly trying to settle questions the creators would rather leave unanswered and overestimating the significance of "hard" fandom as a whole. Toxic Missionary: This one has an idea of True Art as a method of education, and not necessarily an entertaining one. The Toxic Missionaries may criticize the frothier parts of the franchise for detracting from the all-important message. Their version of Complaining About People Not Liking The Show is that their franchise ought to make people feel uncomfortable, at least on first impression; it's a pill they should take along with the mindless entertainment they seem to prefer. Admittedly, many an Author Tract is trying to produce missionaries to spread its message, but Toxic Missionaries can be seen even in fanbases of franchises with no apparent Writer on Board. Like the Toxic Visionary, these latter cases are all-too-often guilty of seeing things that aren't there, and are often guilty of over-subscribing to the idea that they should stick it to "The Man." As such, they hate the Rule-Abiding Rebel with a passion and live in constant terror of their favourite franchise being perceived as one, fairly or otherwise. Very frequently overlaps with the Edgelord.

Fans who are convinced that they are so much more sophisticated and intelligent than those around them.

Hipster Fan

Someone who associates with a work, but only because it's cool or because a reviewer praised it, not because they actually like it.

Hype Maniac

why? Awesome-looking previews can be misleading, but Hype Maniacs will believe them, even if the creator has a bad track record and/or a history of overhyping their works. A Hype Maniac may also be excited as a result of unreliable "information", and/or fan theories they're unreasonably certain will come true. , these people will attack you for thinking the finished product might turn out to be something else than the perfect thing they're imagining. They'll often go on review sites to rate unreleased works 10/10, and complain if they're not allowed to do that. Fans like this are somewhat common for crowdfunded works, as many backers feel invested in the work because they've contributed to it financially and are following its development. Many Hype Maniacs are impatient and will react with anger if the work is delayed, even if the creator had a good reason for doing it. Needless to say, the Hype Maniac mentality can cause some serious



Once the work is out, there are two likely outcomes for a Hype Maniac: The first is that that they suffer Hype Backlash themself — maybe the work truly was disappointing, or maybe the Hype Maniac's expectations were so high that practically anything would leave them unsatisfied. The fan may learn their lesson for the next hyped-up work, but don't hold your breath. The other option is that the Hype Maniac keeps insisting that the work is perfect, turning into the Willfully Blind type of Fan Dumb. These guys really love a work. The problem is that it hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their fandom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they love intensely. They won't let anyone get in the way of this love — even if scepticism is warranted, these people will attack you for thinking the finished product might turn out to be something else than the perfect thing they're imagining. They'll often go on review sites to rate unreleased works 10/10, and complain if they're not allowed to do that. Fans like this are somewhat common for crowdfunded works, as many backers feel invested in the work because they've contributed to it financially and are following its development. Many Hype Maniacs are impatient and will react with anger if the work is delayed, even if the creator had a good reason for doing it. Needless to say, the Hype Maniac mentality can cause some serious Hype Aversion and/or Hype Backlash Once the work is out, there are two likely outcomes for a Hype Maniac: The first is that that they suffer Hype Backlash themself — maybe the work truly was disappointing, or maybe the Hype Maniac's expectations were so high that practically anything would leave them unsatisfied. The fan may learn their lesson for the next hyped-up work, but don't hold your breath. The other option is that the Hype Maniac keeps insisting that the work is perfect, turning into the Willfully Blind type of Fan Dumb.

A fan who hypes up and vehemently defends a work that isn't out yet.

Ignorance-Basher

The Ignorance-Basher is a fan who has a bad case of Fan Myopia , that is, they expect everyone to know everything about their favourite work. In addition, when they come across someone who doesn't know the work exists, or isn't familiar with a certain character/meme/episode/etc, they get boiling mad. A common trait of the Monomaniac (see below), though not all Ignorance-Bashers are Monomaniacs. Ignorance-Bashers may also be Elitists or Old-Timers if they bash people's ignorance of earlier instalments, or Memeists if they bash people's ignorance of memes, and are especially prone to No True Scotsman type arguments (e.g. "If you haven't seen all the episodes, you can't really be a fan!"), never mind the fact that watching all the episodes/reading all the books/whatever takes time. If an Ignorance-Basher comes across someone who's never heard of their favourite work, expect them to accuse the unfortunate second person of "living under a rock".

A fan who gets mad at people for not knowing about the work or certain aspects of it.

Litter-Bearer

Sometimes a fan's frustration towards the Fan Dumb goes full circle and creates its own Fan Dumb . A Litter-Bearer seems to hate his fellow fans to the extent that even valid criticism can be dismissed simply because it's coming from a fan and not an "approved" source like an outside critic. Convinced of the stupidity and utter worthlessness of their fellow fans, they begin to see things from such a skewed perspective that in their eyes, any disapproval from the fanbase just proves that the creator is right and the franchise is good. They tend to leap upon all complaints in the same fashion as the Undesired Champion, only replacing the aggression with sneering condescension. In extreme cases, this can extend to the Litter-Bearer himself, who believes that if they, or any other fan, doesn't like the product, "it's fine the way it is, and if we don't like it, that's our problem." Litter-Bearers can often be identified by their liberal use of the word "we" in complaining about the fandom.

A fan who thinks that fans are brainless masses and not a valid source of opinion.

Loyalist Complainer

A fan who appears to have nothing in their heart but loathing towards the franchise, and yet still keeps coming back, often proclaiming their Undying Loyalty to it in the process. Often a fan who's been burned in the past, they nevertheless keep hanging around purely to complain about how they've been burned. The Loyalist Complainer is very fond of announcing that they have been burned once too often by the franchise and will be leaving the fandom, and yet they never actually seem to leave. Despite the fact that they just complain nonstop about it, should anything threaten the franchise's existence (such as a cancellation threat), theirs will be among the loudest voices raised in protest of the cancellation. Basically, if you've worked in a business or public-service job, the Loyalist Complainer is, in summary, the type of customer who says they will not be coming back to do business with you, but yet comes back again and again while declaring their loyalty. May be their Guilty Pleasure ; in fact, they may proudly proclaim it as such in an effort to establish themselves as smarter than other fans.

Someone who claims to be a fan despite having only negative comments for the work.

Mad Matchmaker

This fan is marked by an obsession with romantic relationships in a work that was never intended to be a romance. Related to the Culture Alien, they're the kind of person who, instead of criticizing the tacked-on romantic subplot, criticize the alien invasion for getting in the way of the B plot, and when called on it they refuse to take "It's not a soap opera" for an answer. They will pitch a fit  possibly even flounce from fandom  if their One True Pairing is Jossed . If their favorite pairing is same-sex, they may well launch a campaign for "LGBT representation" that is suspiciously narrowly focused on "make that one pairing with the two hot actors canon". They may be a fanatical fan of one character or one pairing, or they may just have an uncontrollable desire to Pair the Spares  or just the entire cast with little logical reason. They take crack pairings seriously and will never shut up about it. Either way, there is no situation where romance is too frivolous, inappropriate, or downright creepy for them.

A fan of romance to the exclusion of all else (in non- romance genres).

Mad Scholar

Cryptic Background Reference, Similar to the Theocrat below, the Mad Scholar places too much emphasis on the overall importance of Canon and the Word of God , and will dismiss Fanon as being unacceptable. Where they differ is that while the Theocrat only views that which Word of God has declared as being "true", the Mad Scholar demands that everything in the story fits together neatly and that every loose end is tied up. They hate ambiguity and consequently demand that every single Noodle Incident Ambiguous Situation , and throwaway In-Joke or backstory reference have an official Word of God explanation and/or eventually be shown onscreen in precise detail, however redundant or boring this would be to watch, and complains loudly if it isn't. It's almost as if they're keeping detailed charts or spreadsheets of what's happening in the narrative and insists that everything be filled in. This fan can often be heard erroneously complaining about Plot Holes ; the difference is that while a genuine plot hole is a failure in story-logic that can be annoying and intrusive to the point where it ruins the work, what the Mad Scholar often complains about is either supposed to be ambiguous and left up to the reader's imagination without explanation, or is so mind-bogglingly trivial to the overall narrative that it doesn't matter if it's not explained or shown. The typical stereotype of this fan is the person who can be found at conventions insistently demanding that the creator answer every single question they have about every arcane little detail of the story in detail, no matter how trivial or ridiculous.

A fan who demands that every gap or ambiguity in canon be explained, even if it was supposed to be ambiguous.

Mainstream Militant

This fan has an overdeveloped sense of entitlement, believing that certain works are aimed only towards members of their demographic. While it is true that certain works are, in fact, marketed towards specific demographics, the Mainstream Militant will insist that this means members of other demographics are not allowed to enjoy those works. They'll typically act as if those fans who fall outside the target demographic somehow "cheapen" their own enjoyment of those works. They may fear that the existence of a Periphery Demographic will "taint" the direction of the work, and that the writers will bring undesired changes to cater to the periphery. They will make it known loud and clear that such fans are undeserving, and will attempt to run them out of the fandom. Often Suffers Newbies Poorly

Someone who only sees fans as those within the demographic of the franchise and thinks that " outsiders " are not allowed to like the franchise.

Memeist

Every work and fandom has its own share of in-jokes and memes . In small doses and at the right time, memes can be considered amusing and even clever. The Memeist, however, overuses memes to such a degree that it becomes horribly obnoxious and may even drive potential fans away. Memeists often care more about the memes associated with the work than the work itself, often resurrecting old memes that are out of date by several years in order to create groan-worthy new ones (usually deliberately if they're intended to be shitposts or dank memes). They are also considerably more immature and crass than other fans and are easily angered when their predictable attempts at humor are met with a negative response. Additionally, they may make references to a certain meme in comment sections or forum threads whenever the character or episode featured in the meme crops up, regardless of context. Thankfully, they tend to congregate on meme and shitposting/dank meme pages on social media and largely avoid interaction with the parent fanbases, which makes them fairly easy to avoid even if they are still very irritating. They also seldom last long on bigger pages and groups; more mature fans are likely to give chilly-at-best receptions that quickly turn into "dude, fuck off, you're annoying", while mods are quick to put a stop to excessive memeposting to avoid attracting more of them. If you have ever seen a pinned post from a mod or admin stating that they are going to start cracking down on memes and/or will stop tolerating shitposts, dank memes, and other deliberate low-quality meme content altogether, it is almost definitely because these types got out of hand.

A fan who frequently overuses memes to obnoxious and childish levels.

Monomaniac

Although not the only type of Fan Dumb by any means, this is probably the most classic example of it. The Monomaniac is Serious Business taken to the extreme. Nothing outside of the object of the fandom exists for this person, except perhaps the fandom itself. This means that they will attempt to discuss the object of their adoration every single chance they get, often attempting to twist or divert other discussions to this end, regardless of how awkward or nakedly inappropriate this is ("Yeah, it sucks that your father died; I felt exactly the same way when Captain Magnatron failed to defeat the Zargons in Episode 19"). This often leads them to exaggerate the actual significance of the work in a general context  and then some ... and, naturally, leads to nothing but contempt from those who aren't quite as committed to the franchise as they are, or who (gasp) aren't part of the fandom at all and are sick of "don't they realize how important it is?" lectures. Naturally, any of the other listed types of Fan Dumb may find themselves ending up here. Unfortunately, this is how the vast majority of fandom is portrayed in the media, which is why we have a trope specifically for that

The classic Fan Dumb variant: a fan whose entire life revolves around the franchise and nothing else.

Old-Timer

The Old-Timer has been around for a very long time, maybe even since the beginning, and they won't let you forget it. They have an overdeveloped sense of entitlement based on how much time they've invested, rather than money or devotion. Because they've stuck with it over the years, they believe that they're far more important to the franchise than these kids and "Johnny-come-latelys" who have only just arrived, and resent the franchise changing in any way to include them. They view the franchise through a sharp Nostalgia Filter ; the franchise is never as good as it used to be , and any criticisms raised of the franchise at/before this point will be viciously rebuffed. Long-Runners especially will attract Old-Timers who will resent and attempt to get rid of younger fans who had the misfortune of liking the thing after the Oldtimer did. It can also happen to works that are no longer in production (classics)  but still manages to attract younger fans . Essentially, they're the grumpy old men of the fandom, constantly complaining about the good old days and shouting at the "young whippersnappers" to "get off their lawn", saying that they're too young to deserve it. Very commonly they may be found complaining about something that back in their day was a problem ... yet they complain at the lack of it now, acting like those adults who make better lives for their children yet say "back in my day we [did unpleasant action X] and we liked it." Or alternatively, if a franchise (or medium) tries to get some newer fans, they complain about people who are not true fans and act like a five-year-old upset that their newborn baby sibling is getting more attention than they are. When dealing with these kinds of fans, point out to them that they and the members of their group are old, and that a franchise that isn't able to recruit new fans to replace the members who leave will die.

A fan who feels entitled to special treatment because "I was here first!" Frequently suffers from Nostalgia Filter and They Changed It, Now It Sucks!.

Perfectionist

A fan who has a preferred way to experience a work and doesn't enjoy it otherwise.

Purist

A fan who has a strict and unchangeable vision of the franchise and will react badly to any changes outside of this vision.

Relationship Police

Mad Romantics take their Celebrity Crushes too far. They feel possessive of their idol, typically because they contribute to the idol's success and/or feel involved in the idol's life due to following them on social media. Such a fan will then feel betrayed when their one-way relationship is shattered by the idol, who most likely doesn't even know the fan exists. If the idol gets an actual love interest, expect this fan to loathe the poor guy/gal for "stealing" the idol away from the fan. The somewhat less insane Mad Romantics realize that they'd never get their idol anyway, but are still upset with the love interest for ruining their relationship fantasies. In extreme cases, these fan will become Loony Fans — crazies who may resort to stalking, suicide threats, actual suicide attempts, death threats, or even murder. Mad Romantics are common among fans of Teen Idol or Pop Idol personalities. Musicians, actors and athletes in general may also get such fans.

take their Celebrity Crushes too far. They feel possessive of their idol, typically because they contribute to the idol's success and/or feel involved in the idol's life due to following them on social media. Such a fan will then feel betrayed when their one-way relationship is shattered by the idol, who most likely doesn't even know the fan exists. If the idol gets an actual love interest, expect this fan to loathe the poor guy/gal for "stealing" the idol away from the fan. The somewhat less insane Mad Romantics realize that they'd never get their idol anyway, but are still upset with the love interest for ruining their relationship fantasies. In extreme cases, these fan will become Loony Fans — crazies who may resort to stalking, suicide threats, actual suicide attempts, death threats, or even murder. Mad Romantics are common among fans of Teen Idol or Pop Idol personalities. Musicians, actors and athletes in general may also get such fans. While writing an Actor Shipping fic might be considered harmless (if weird) fun, Mad Actor Shippers keep insisting that two creators should get together in real life just because they have good chemistry on screen, have done some good collaborations, or in some cases just have similar styles. To these fans, it doesn't matter if the creators don't get along in real life at all, are already in relationships with someone else, or the desired ship isn't even compatible with their sexual orientation. Like the Mad Romantics, Mad Actor Shippers tend to hate the creator's love interest for "ruining" a relationship that almost certainly wouldn't have happened anyway. Celebrities are people too, and are entitled to pursue romantic relationships in their personal lives as they please, right? Not according to this fan. The Relationship Police has an idea of what the creator's love life should look like, and will not allow them to deviate from that. If the creator does deviate from their "plan" and find a love interest they don't approve of, they will often form Hate Dumbs against the love interest , and possibly turn against the creator. There are two common varieties:

A fan who doesn't respect creators' right to pursue romantic relationships in their personal lives as they please.

Royal Customer

This fan thinks that money equals control; having pumped a crapload of money into merchandise related to the fandom, they believe that they now own the fandom and that all creative and executive decisions must be run through them first. This tends to translate to an insanely overdeveloped sense of entitlement; the producers must bow to his every wish, regardless of how impractical or impossible this would be. He or she is prone to gloating over/complaining about the amount of money s/he has invested in the fandom, with the idea that nobody forced or continues to force him/her to buy every single piece of merchandise apparently not occurring to him/her. Whenever exclusive sweepstakes or promotional events happen, you can bet your bottom dollar that the Royal Customer may be the first one complaining how it should be available to everyone, which may be justified in certain cases, but not for stuff like Collector's Editions or tours. This is the same type of person who will attempt to fight a speeding ticket with the line "My taxes pay your salary!"

A fan who feels entitled to special treatment and priority because he or she owns lots of merchandise from the franchise.

Strawstuffer

A fan who hates someone or something for ruining the franchise, despite it not being responsible.

Theocrat

A fan who expects everyone to adhere to Word of God to the exact letter (even in media where canon is kept ambiguous ).

Undesired Champion

An offshoot of this is the Reputation Defender. These types come out whenever a creator is accused of any sort of misconduct, and they will make it clear that the creator is immaculate and the people who turned on them are the only ones at fault. Everything is unsubstantiated, overblown, an outright falsehood, or a difference of opinion. The barrier of proof for them to accept that the allegations are legitimate is extraordinarily (and often insurmountably) high, and they are just as likely to move the goalposts, if not outright deny reality. Any sort of statement backing the allegations or airing related personal grievances or dirty laundry from other creators is also likely to be attacked - if they're not traitors abandoning their colleague, they're cynical, disingenuous clout-chasers making a calculated career move for a few likes, shares, and retweets. Any sort of explanation from the accused party will be treated as the absolute truth and the be-all, end-all of discussion - no matter how flimsy (or objectively untrue) the explanation or hollow and insincere the apology, it will be accepted with open arms, and anyone who dares criticize it or tries to pick holes in it will be attacked. Nastier examples are likely to harass accusers over private messages, and particularly nasty examples may doxx them or lead harassment campaigns, or may even accost them in person. "Fandom  love it or leave it!" Usually a supportive variant, these fans get a bit too confrontational when it comes to criticism of the object of their fandom. However mild or gentle the criticism. However valid or reasonable the criticism. Regardless, in some cases, of how even the Word of God may agree with the criticism. They feel that anyone who considers their object of affection flawed is nothing more than a Troll or a misguided fanboy, and needs to be set straight and see the work is perfectly fine. The minute someone doesn't like something in a work or finds something in the work that bugs them, you can bet that the Undesired Champion will show up like lightning and try their hardest to squash these criticisms, simply because (in their mind) the work is just so good that there cannot be any legitimate criticism for it. When one brings up any type of critique, constructive or not, expect the Champion to step in and justify anything seen as "Flaws", and act as if everyone else simply needs to be persuaded to like it. Even if sometimes, things may be done on purpose , they will defend it as masterfully done. The number one culprits of Complaining About People Not Liking The Show , tied with the Willfully Blind; a common line of argument is something along the lines of "why don't you go and watch something else if you hate [the franchise] so much?", even if the critic has made perfectly clear that they don't hate the franchise at all. They may treat any criticism of a work as if it were a nasty personal attack on its creator. If a new installment in a series involves any sort of change, you can also expect them to respond to any criticism of the changes (however reasonable) with accusations of closed-mindedness, and if the change is extremely polarizing or receives a widespread negative reception, they will almost always chalk it up to an Unpleasable Fanbase and blame "fairweather fans" or "traitors", or try to find some way to paint them as a Vocal Minority no matter how widespread the sentiment may be. If an eventual Creator Backlash occurs and the creator agrees with the detractors, these types will still defend the changes, and will either use this as evidence that the fanbase is so toxic and abusive that the creators are afraid of them and are being held hostage, or may even turn on the creators for "kowtowing to a vocal minority" or "compromising their values". In their mind, there is no such thing as realizing that you made a mistake or acknowledging that something didn't come out right - if you come to agree with fans about a poorly-received change, it can only be because you needed to save face or because you were so tired of dealing with entitled fans that you figured it was easier to just say they were right than continue to hold to your "true" feelings.

Self-appointed guardians who will defend their precious work or fandom from any criticism and any "haters", even constructive criticism or fans who don't like a certain aspect.

Unpleasable Fan

because it fixed the flaws. This form of Fan Dumb is so prevalent that it got its very own trope  see Old-Timer. This type of fan is someone who complains about a flaw or something in the work. But, once the flaw is fixed, the Unpleasable Fan finds something else to complain about, pull one of the It Sucks cards on it, or simply insist that the improved version or a sequel that fixes the flaws is "not a true entry"it fixed the flaws. This form of Fan Dumb is so prevalent that it got its very own trope  see Unpleasable Fanbase . Especially commonly overlaps with the

A fan who always finds something to complain about and is rarely content.

Warmonger

These fans love something to such a powerful extreme that they constantly feel that it's threatened by a franchise competing against it . Thus, they feel they must defend it at all costs, even if it means starting a war. Even if the other franchise has a friendly rivalry with it (and even if the two franchises overlap in some way), the two franchises being compared with each other at all is simply too much for the warmonger. They will go out of their way to bash the competing franchise and attack its fans, using their passionate love for a certain franchise as a weapon by citing how much more successful/popular/well-reviewed/enduring it is in comparison (they will then hypocritically take offense to being fired back at by the opposing fandom). They will also push away any fans that happen to like both the franchise they like and the competing one simultaneously, because they regard that as betrayal.

Fans who frequently and passionately engage in Fandom Rivalry , using the thing they like as a weapon against the thing they hate by bitterly attacking and belittling fans of a competing franchise.

Willfully Blind

Please do not add examples to work pages, this merely defines the term.

Fans who insist their favorite work is flawless and perfect and anyone who says otherwise is