estpierpt said: How do you guys generally feel about INTJs? Like them? Tolerate them? Can't stand em?... Now I'm not personally offended, since I'm guilty of the same thing...But I find it hard to comprehend how she can be so outwardly rude PARTICULARLY around her boyfriend's parents and grandparents who constantly provide her with endless food, money, and housing. My INFP mom is particularly offended by her behavior....She'll come over, eat a bunch of food, not say thank you, and then say "I'm going to sit outside, I can't stand sitting in here" and wait until it's time for her and my brother to leave... Also, she gets in moods where she is super sad and won't even say a word to my brother. And is constantly whining and hanging on to him and kissing him non-stop....Gotta love it. My brother is ENFP and gives her anything she ever asks for, usually without getting any thank you :/ Click to expand...

Interesting post. INTJs whom I have power over in some way I get along with fine now because I understand them. When INTJs have been over me, I haven't had issues either. Unlike practically all the other NTs, INTJs really don't seem interested in power over others and certainly aren't as image obsessed as the ENTJs and ENTPs. They are more about getting the job done right, something ESTPs appreciate, although we go about doing the job in different ways.But as peers, just like with you, that is where there have been issues; I really didn't get them, but I think that I do now.I have said before that I think all Ns have ADHD, and that has offended people. An INTJ came to see me after his ESTP friend was helped, and when I told him that he had ADHD, he sort of retreated. I did the testing, explained to him that IMO ADHD was just a variant and not a disease, and went through the brain chemistry of ADHD. Once he got what was going on with his brain chemically, he started taking his medication, lost weight, got a girlfriend, and has socialized better than he has in years. He told me in high school that because he had ADHD he didn't have to pass his final exam in math, which we both though was insane. He also told me of a time in high school that a teacher told him, "You are really smart, but you are so different that I doubt you will amount to much." Can you believe that crap?That inability to sit for long is one of the standard psych questions for ADHD.I think most ESTPs love good food. It is part of our work hard, play/party hard mentality. So imagine how good you feel with a good meal. Well, that is how bad INTJs feel with bad food. So ESTPs love good food, and INTJs hate bad food, and while we are different, we can get to the same place.This disliking bad food area is also part of having ADHD, but INTJs seem to go to extremes with this one. Point is that I can certainly see an INTJ wanting to leave a dinner table with haste and not being outwardly polite while doing so. INTJs appear very arrogant, but they really are not. That is almost a tell for the INTJ.Social grace is something that Fs are born with and Ts have to learn. At least we have Fe is our third function. INTJs have it as their seventh or trickster function. As clueless as we are about how we feel, that is how INTJs are about the feelings of others.And your ENFP brother is likely much more in tune with her GF's Fi I bet than she is. My guess is that she helps him with Te, and that is in part why I would suspect that they do so well together. She hangs on him than to make herself feel better.ESTPs have Ni as our fourth function and because it is our fourth function, we often suck at it and what we are sure is going to happen to us in the future is often wrong. Our Ni often comes off as paranoia and doom and gloom. Well, can you imagine how bad it would be if your Ni was right almost all the time?I liked to think of Ni as opaque visions from God. I remember one INFJ dreaming about her beating up her boyfriend's roommate. She told her BF to quit living with this guy, and that his roommate was evil. The BF refused, and the roommate stole all of his things and up and left two days later.And INFJs have much better capacity to deal emotionally with Ni than INTJs do. To me, the INTJs given these haunting visions would become more anxious than ever and have to turn to the bottle for relief. Chemically, it made sense to me then that INTJs would have a high incidence of alcoholism, and it turns out that they do.Can you imagine being an INTJ woman and being surrounded by the most common type of women, the ESFJs? I would feel so weird in comparison. Talk about hell on earth.And when INTJs get really stressed, they go to OCD and are absolutely miserable to be around. Many of The other Ns who become OCD when stressed can at least do so with some degree of social skills. That is going to be tough for an immature INTJ who has not learned such skills.Of course, I am harping on the negative so you understand why INTJs are why they are. On the positive side, I have never seen any another type get complicated systems and concepts with such ease. I did a physical on a kid who was a QB, and I typed him; he was a 13 year old INTJ. His father told me that the coaches never had any kid pick up and understand offensive concepts with such ease. Bill Belichick is probably INTJ.Only INTPs come close to picking things up this quickly, and I think while Steve Jobs was INTP and gets credit for Apple Computer's success, the real brains behind Apple was INTJ Steve Wozniak, a socially awkward genius with a heart of gold.So yeah, I can see how you could clash with an INTJ peer. I know that I have, but I think we ESTPs can learn a lot from INTJs and vice versa. We just have to learn that we probably are going to annoy and offend the crap out of each other along the way.