(32:12 - 47:57): Allen and Kasowitz discuss how their work, perhaps counter-intuitively and perhaps not, can play a role in social justice work. Allen then provides a detailed walk-through of one of their recent experiences, to paint a detailed picture (pun intended!) of how exactly their programs manifest. To close, they invite listeners to apply for an immersive, "a deep-dive into Jewish inquiry and creative process across five days," the next of which will be taking place May 6-10 in Berkeley, CA. [5]

[1] Learn more about The Jewish Studio Project by visiting its website. You can find full bios of Adina Allen and Jeff Kasowitz by clicking here.

[2] Discover the work of Pat Allen by clicking here.

[3] Creative Commentary is a regular event hosted by The Jewish Studio Project inviting participants to express themselves via the written word. Learn more about it by clicking here.

[4] Kasowitz discusses his album, entitled Arba'im Shanah (40 Years) in this section of the conversation. Listen to it for yourself here.

[5] Learn more about these immersives by watching the video to the right. Apply to one at this link.