"The ideal is that we use [the 2016 election] as a springboard to mass defections and the destruction of at least one of the old parties," explained Libertarian National Committee Chair Nicholas Sarwark. "It's time for the Republican Party to fall apart and go away," he added. "Or the Democratic party. I don't really care which."

Sarwark sat down with Reason's Matt Welch at the Libertarian National Convention in Orlando, Florida to talk about the recent increased attention the Libertarian party has received over the past few weeks.

"Our vote totals and our vote floors keep rising across the country," says Sarwark. "We are in it for the long term, we are in it to win. It may take two years, four years, 20 years, but we are not going away. And the old parties are, frankly, dying."

Approximately 8:30 minutes. Produced by Joshua Swain and Zach Weissmueller.

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