Ok so wow quite the slapfight we have going on here.

I just want to say I agree that hera is, imo, a bit too much for the tier. I feel like it at least deserves a quickban now and a suspect test later (without wishing to sound like a smartass, isn't that the point of the koko system? QB anything even potentially broken and give it a fair test later?) While I don't really want to wade into the argument right now, I want to bring up my own thoughts on some anti hera points

Acrobatics gligar can only stop guts hera once, as it gets koed by +2 facade without eviolite, so all hera really has to do is click knock off the first time it comes in.

Speaking of, Hera doesn't really have too much trouble coming in vs bulkier teams. It has decent defenses and a few nice resists, and is status proof after it's first turn in. While it does lose 6% per turn, thats still less then the 10% a life orb mon might lose.

Non scarf hera isn't slow. While it won't outspeed everything on offense unboosted, at base 85 speed its faster then average and outspeeds common mons like non scarf rotom forms, goodra, gardevoir, florges, milotic, etc.

Even if stall can revenge it with espeon, it still has to lose something most of the time to do that, and once something on stall goes down it usually starts to fall apart pretty quickly. Plus stall can't really put on offensive pressure/momentum to take advantage of hera switching. Ok, their espeon forced you to switch hera out. So they did a bit of damage to your espeon check, and you koed one of their pokemon. Not exactly a fair trade.

I'm sorry, but it is laughable to say flame orb hera is the most common set, at least in my experience. About 90% of heras I see are scarf, its actually insane how rare the flame orb set it. I admit it has become more common as time has gone on, and I'm fairly low on the ladder, but I feel like most people's experience facing hera is against the scarf set, which is so laughably bad against stall it's funny.

Btw, scarf hera is pretty good against offence due to it's ability to snowball with moxie, and how easy it is to support with a bit of pursuit/hazards, and many of its common answers on HO are pretty easily lured.

Hera outclasses other fighting types to the point where they are almost unviable. Would be staples like emboar, hitmonlee, machamp, passimian, and even pangoro are way more niche then they should be simply because heracross can do their job better 80% of the time.

While I feel the thunderbolt registeel comparison for braviary is pretty good, I also want to point out that thunderbolt turned registeel into a very consistent answer to subBU braviary, while acro gligar can maybe stop hera once or twice if you don't misplay it. Registeel also wasn't incredibly desperate for moveslots like gligar is. Regi could still accomplish it's job pretty well with tbolt, (that job being a fat fuck that does nothing but make things boring AF and wall everything) while gligar has to make sacrifices for acro that means it loses out on the ability to defog, set rocks, or not be complete setup bait for everything with u-turn/toxic. Admitedly this is my worst argument and acro gligar also lets it beat other things like rotom-mow and passimian.

I really think that hera is a pokemon that at least deserves to be booted for now and looked at later, its a cut above everything else in the tier and I want to see a meta without it.



Will probably post about some other stuff I think are at the top right now, mainly honch, necrozma, and shaymin/rose.



Oh and also, completely 100% serious question: can we ban kings rock? The fact that a completely unviable shit mon like cincinno can cheese it's counters is ridiculous. Flinching a gigalith or escav twice with bullet seed/rock blast isn't competitive, fair, or fun, and has no viable counterplay (rip inner focus crobat). I don't think any experienced battler would seriously miss it's presence. Inb4 lol salt git gud.