Tea Party activist Ginni Thomas, the wife of conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, spoke to an anti-abortion rights activist who said that President Barack Obama was like a “tyrant” because the United States had a secular government.

In an interview for her column in The Daily Caller that was published on Sunday, Ginni Thomas asked anti-choice crusader Lila Rose of Live Action how to “stop the erosion” in America’s culture.

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Rose predicted that history books would say that the U.S. “wandered from our principles, but we came right back to them.”

According to Rose, those principles mean that “god is a higher power than any man-made structure of government.”

“There is a natural law out there that is higher than government, than man-made law,” she explained. “That’s what we need to return to.”

“And so this idea that government is secular, and we have our faith over here, no!” Rose continued. “Secular is somehow saying there is no God, there is no higher power, there is no higher law. You can’t say that because when you have a tyrant in power, which you often sadly do — and I believe there’s aspect of tyranny of who’s in power now in our country — then whole groups of people, their dignity is not respected, their rights are not protected. And you have human rights abuses.”

“We have to go to what are the natural rights, and what is natural law.”

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Watch the video below from The Daily Caller, broadcast March 30, 2014.

(h/t: Right Wing Watch)