DOUGLAS MURRAY (HENRY JACKSON SOCIETY): The biggest problem on the migration question is that nobody wants to look at the deeper questions. So let me just throw one out there. Can the entire developing world move to the developed world? Yes or no?

BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): Can the whole developing --? No.

MURRAY: My view is obviously -- obviously not. Exactly. So, this is what the open borders advocates will not contend with, but we need to make them contend with it. For instance, here in Europe, people are very proud of having welfare states. Now, you can have open borders or a welfare state, but you you can't have both.

KILMEADE: Can't afford it.

MURRAY: Because you cannot have -- you cannot have anyone from the developing world just walking in and taking advantage of the welfare state.

KILMEADE: Right.

MURRAY: It'll last for no time at all. These are the questions which we have to make open borders advocates start to contend with. And they just aren't at the moment.

KILMEADE: Douglas, I'll play it out for you, because it's here. If you are against open borders or if you are concerned about immigration, you're racist, sexist, misogynist, whatever. Which you're -- it doesn't matter -- we're not talking color, we're talking culture.

MURRAY: Right.

KILMEADE: You're in a country to keep that culture going. It's not a matter of the color of your skin, it's not your gender or your sexuality.

AINSLEY EARHARDT (CO-HOST): It's about laws.

KILMEADE: We just don't want to destroy the color of -- the culture of the country.