Very interesting. So, you don't agree with Sleazy that it's nearly all about looks? In fact, this is basically "inner game" as far as I can see.



Hi Smiley, welcome to the forum.I believe looks to be very important -- moreso than I have implied in this post. My advice to guys is always to fix their looks and fashion first and foremost.However, I did want this post to be focused on the state side of pickup. Sleazy does not cover this very much at all in any of his materials. This is simply because state is not something he's had a problem with. His meditation has given him what I can only describe, having seen it firsthand, as a state of "permacalm".The problem here however is that, because state is not something he has dealt with himself, it is completely missing from his model. His model is very consistent with his own experience. But therebits missing in my opinion.Most guys on this forum have taken drugs such as MDMA. One of the allures of such drugs is that you suddenly become able to pick up girls effectively. For example, I did many approaches before finding MDMA, and found myself only able to get somewhat ugly girls interested in me. However, after taking MDMA, I suddenly had a magnetism which allowed me to get far higher calibre girls and with a greater success rate. My looks did not change. The number of approaches I was doing went up a little bit, but not enough to explain the jump in success. My state was therefore the only significant thing that changed.This fact is known to many guys. This post here was created specifically to talk about this phenomenon. Sleazy does not discuss this phenomenon at all.For the record, once I fixed my looks and fashion, I began having a lot more success. Looks do still count in a major way, and should be a priority. But that did not explain my jump in success on MDMA before I fixed my wardrobe and lost some weight.Reverse-engineering the MDMA state was the primary purpose of this forum when I first set it up. Since then, I now have most elements of the MDMA state -- good cheer and non-reactivity -- without any drug. However we have also found legal drugs such as tramadol which can be used as a substitute for MDMA for guys who still wish to learn what calm, motivated states look like without having to put in several years of meditation and self-change first. Drugs in this respect are an extremely convenient shortcut for getting a look at what these states are like.Once again, I will say this. This is a huge piece missing from Sleazy's model in my opinion. Sleazy had already done 12 years of meditation before even trying seduction. Sleazy has always been this calm, so state is not something he can meaningfully analyse in himself or in others (all analysis of others, in my experience, comes from the self initially).There is one other major piece missing from Sleazy's model, which leads him to draw the conclusions he does regarding everything being about looks. That is that Sleazy does not particularlyto women at all. When he visited me, I did not see him have a single conversation with a woman (he is also not particularly talkative with men). Sleazy generally walks up, touches a girl to test the waters, and if she's interested he will dance with her and escalate further. So there is an absence of actually talking to women, so he might not actually have all the facts regarding whatandvia a verbal interaction. My views on this personally is that the content of what you say is nowhere near as important as the way in which you say it, and what you do with your body, hands and eye contact while you say it. Sleazy however might take that as a sign that the talking itself is unimportant. My view on that is that you can get a lot done while talking, and talking is a good device for this purpose, so talking is not entirely useless. Additionally, you will occasionally meet a woman with whom you have a lot in common, or who might like the things you say in other ways. It certainly has the outward appearance, to me, that this does in some way "make her like you more", in the same way your own attraction for a girl can increase when you find out "actually she's pretty cool!" after she says or does something interesting. It's not necessarily what she says; it could be that she shows you some of her attitude towards the world that you like. But this stuff generally comes out via talking. So I don't think talking is completely pointless, and I do believe it can be used to either create or allow expression of attraction. Sleazy however does not cover talking very much at all. He does say "You might find your own ways of making seduction work" which includes talking, but that is not the same as truly covering what can and cannot be done, attraction-wise, via talking.In summary, looks are a priority, but stuff can also be "done" via state and via talking, but Sleazy does not seem to cover these aspects at all. The reason he does not cover them is most likely because they are not contained within the canon of his own personal experience. I do feel Sleazy somewhat denies their existence as a result however, to his detriment in some cases. In neuroscience terms, this is a facet of the left brain hemisphere -- it will actively deny the existence of anything not consistent with its own model. Sleazy is very verbose and linguistically precise which gives further evidence for left-brain dominance. The book I am reading at the moment about this, and where I am getting a lot of my ideas from currently, is The Master and His Emissary . It's well worth a read. You can check out the lecture videos here: http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/general/essential-video-on-brain-hemispheres/