iNcontroL Profile Blog Joined July 2004 USA 29048 Posts #2 I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!



congrats to demuslim <3 I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of thatI plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!congrats to demuslim <3

intotheheart Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Canada 16855 Posts #3 Nicely done! I'm curious as to what happened to Stephano's stream. Perhaps this is a sign that he will go through with his retirement? :S kiss kiss fall in love

KnowMe Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Germany 224 Posts #4 thanks for the list tho! im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewersthanks for the list tho! http://www.facebook.com/KnowMeSc2 https://twitter.com/YouBetterKnowMe

Gamegene Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United States 8300 Posts #5 On August 05 2013 00:58 KnowMe wrote:

im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewers thanks for the list tho! im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewersthanks for the list tho!



the battle hymn of the unfeatured streamers the battle hymn of the unfeatured streamers Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.

Conti Profile Joined November 2010 Germany 2514 Posts #6 On August 05 2013 00:55 iNcontroL wrote:

I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of that I plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!



congrats to demuslim <3 I had a nice peak this month .. was pretty proud of thatI plan on streaming even more in this month of August.. so look to see if I can keep my word!congrats to demuslim <3

How do you always manage to post in this thread mere minutes after I create it? :D



On August 05 2013 00:58 KnowMe wrote:

im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewers thanks for the list tho! im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewersthanks for the list tho!

You're in the viewers*hours list at #36. About 300 viewers on average, which isn't quite enough yet to make it into the other list. How do you always manage to post in this thread mere minutes after I create it? :DYou're in the viewers*hours list at #36.About 300 viewers on average, which isn't quite enough yet to make it into the other list.

KnowMe Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Germany 224 Posts #7 lol sorry. i think normally i found it via strg+f ^^ http://www.facebook.com/KnowMeSc2 https://twitter.com/YouBetterKnowMe

grs Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Germany 2212 Posts #8 On August 05 2013 00:59 Gamegene wrote:

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On August 05 2013 00:58 KnowMe wrote:

im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewers thanks for the list tho! im a bit surprised that im not in there. never had more viewersthanks for the list tho!



the battle hymn of the unfeatured streamers the battle hymn of the unfeatured streamers

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avilo Profile Blog Joined November 2007 United States 4099 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-04 16:52:14 #9 The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?



If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit. Sup

Faster69 Profile Joined July 2013 55 Posts #10 Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[

Canucklehead Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 4922 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-04 17:40:32 #11 On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote:

Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[



Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead. Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar.Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead. Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock

Ace Frehley Profile Joined December 2012 2022 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-04 18:24:35 #12 On August 05 2013 01:50 avilo wrote:

The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?



If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.

Almost sure that's not how it works.



From this:



Every few minutes (15min) his script picks the number of viewers and creates a table, not streaming for days shouldn't matter



12:00 - 500 viewers

12:15 - 600 viewers

12:30 - 300 viewers

12:45 - 200 viewers

13:00 - 100 viewers



Average = 340 viewers, even if you don't stream at all for the rest of the month



I mean, there was a month where Stephano streamed like very few hours and still got the top in this ranking

(5.25 hours in the month) Almost sure that's not how it works.From this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333483 Every few minutes (15min) his script picks the number of viewers and creates a table, not streaming for days shouldn't matter12:00 - 500 viewers12:15 - 600 viewers12:30 - 300 viewers12:45 - 200 viewers13:00 - 100 viewersAverage = 340 viewers, even if you don't stream at all for the rest of the monthI mean, there was a month where Stephano streamed like very few hours and still got the top in this ranking http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=419726 (5.25 hours in the month) ...

lorestarcraft Profile Joined April 2011 United States 1015 Posts #13 I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now. SC2 Mapmaker

Esoterikk Profile Blog Joined May 2011 Canada 857 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-04 18:44:39 #14 On August 05 2013 02:39 Canucklehead wrote:

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On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote:

Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[



Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead. Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar.Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.



Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week



Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote:

I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.

It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately

It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately

lorestarcraft Profile Joined April 2011 United States 1015 Posts #15 On August 05 2013 03:39 Esoterikk wrote:

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On August 05 2013 02:39 Canucklehead wrote:

On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote:

Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[



Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead. Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar.Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.



Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week



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On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote:

I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.

It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately

Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing weekIt's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately

They are kinda boring to watch, but more fun to play with others. That is the key issue, most likely. They are kinda boring to watch, but more fun to play with others. That is the key issue, most likely. SC2 Mapmaker

skiersteve Profile Joined September 2011 United Kingdom 267 Posts #16 Pretty depressing, even twitch now sc2 is at 6th, behind dota,lol,wow,eve and magic the gathering lmao

Frex Profile Joined March 2012 Finland 888 Posts #17 On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote:

I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.



Feels like Blizzard just took off after HotS, we still haven´t had any major patches after HotS nor any great ideas lately from Blizzard how they want to improve their franchise besides the usual "the winrates are looking good."



For me it feels that just looking forward to new maps every season isn´t interesting enough when it feels like everytime I log in to SC2 that I entered a barren wasteland. Lately watching the pro scene has become dull to me too, even having hard time getting excited for the Starleague finals and this has nothing to do with the final itself, since I´m huge Prime fan and I love to watch Maru play especially when it´s against KeSPA player that I love aswell. Feels like Blizzard just took off after HotS, we still haven´t had any major patches after HotS nor any great ideas lately from Blizzard how they want to improve their franchise besides the usual "the winrates are looking good."For me it feels that just looking forward to new maps every season isn´t interesting enough when it feels like everytime I log in to SC2 that I entered a barren wasteland. Lately watching the pro scene has become dull to me too, even having hard time getting excited for the Starleague finals and this has nothing to do with the final itself, since I´m huge Prime fan and I love to watch Maru play especially when it´s against KeSPA player that I love aswell.

Conti Profile Joined November 2010 Germany 2514 Posts #18 On August 05 2013 01:50 avilo wrote:

The average viewers must not be max concurrents? Because i'm hitting 400 quite often..is the average based on the average of every day of the entire month?



If so that would make sense, because if you don't stream a few days that adds a day average of 0 for that day massively bringing down your "average" for the month -_- which is not representative of the actual concurrent viewers being hit.

Not quite.



The average is based on every time you stream, based on 15 minute intervals. So when you do not stream your numbers are not affected at all.



However, the "average" numbers are usually lower than one would expect. You, like every other streamer, starts his stream with 0 viewers, and you (like every other streamer) slowly work yourself to your "actual" average. That is, that steady number of viewers you get eventually and that doesn't change all that much. Let's say that in your case that's about 400. So it feels like your average is 400. Why does the data say the actual average is 300? It's simply because of that early phase when you start streaming, and you have 0 viewers. 15 minutes later you have 30, perhaps. Then 100. Then 150, and so on. All that drags the actual average down.



It might sound kind of unfair, but then again, this is true for every streamer, so everyone has exactly the same disadvantage. Not quite.The average is based on every time you stream, based on 15 minute intervals. So when you do not stream your numbers are not affected at all.However, the "average" numbers are usually lower than one would expect. You, like every other streamer, starts his stream with 0 viewers, and you (like every other streamer) slowly work yourself to your "actual" average. That is, that steady number of viewers you get eventually and that doesn't change all that much. Let's say that in your case that's about 400. So it feels like your average is 400. Why does the data say the actual average is 300? It's simply because of that early phase when you start streaming, and you have 0 viewers. 15 minutes later you have 30, perhaps. Then 100. Then 150, and so on. All that drags the actual average down.It might sound kind of unfair, but then again, this is true for every streamer, so everyone has exactly the same disadvantage.

ratbert Profile Joined July 2011 Germany 1040 Posts #19 On August 05 2013 03:39 Esoterikk wrote:

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On August 05 2013 02:39 Canucklehead wrote:

On August 05 2013 02:23 Faster69 wrote:

Sc2 streamers get so many less viewers than other games =[



Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar. Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead. Yeah it's sad. I noticed a big drop in viewers for july every time I looked at the viewer numbers in the sidebar.Maybe it's cause it's summer and all the nerds are at the beaches now.....who am I kidding, the nerds are still inside, but just watching lol/dota instead.



Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing week



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On August 05 2013 03:37 lorestarcraft wrote:

I really worry about SC2 right now, I know as for myself, I was always such a hard-core player, but I am rather dissatisfied with the way HOTS has played out from a gameplay perspective and even LoL holds more interest for me now.

It's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately

Which is strange because lol/dota are boring as hell to watch from a player stream perspective. It doesn't help that a lot of sc2 players are boring as shit when they steam. It's hard to be an sc2 fan these days, depressing weekIt's been pretty doom and gloom for sc2 lately



there's always doom and gloom in the sc2 community it feels like. 99,9% of the time it's unwarranted though.



on topic: thanks for your work. it's always interesting to read through! there's always doom and gloom in the sc2 community it feels like. 99,9% of the time it's unwarranted though.on topic: thanks for your work. it's always interesting to read through! what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?

Conti Profile Joined November 2010 Germany 2514 Posts #20 On August 05 2013 03:54 skiersteve wrote:

Pretty depressing, even twitch now sc2 is at 6th, behind dota,lol,wow,eve and magic the gathering lmao

While that is true, you also have to look at the actual streams.



Dota is #1 right now because The International, of course. I also get all the Dota streams from teamliquid.net, and what I found was that while the top Dota streamers get way more viewers than the top SC2 streamers, there are also way less Dota streamers out there. If I would do a top 50 Dota streamers list, the #50 player would get maybe 20 viewers on average.



Likewise, the EVE viewer numbers right now are based on a single stream. SC2, on the other hand, is a much more diverse animal in regards to streaming. There are way more streams, and there are way more streams that get a decent viewership compared to all other games (with the exception of LoL, of course). While that is true, you also have to look at the actual streams.Dota is #1 right now because The International, of course. I also get all the Dota streams from teamliquid.net, and what I found was that while the top Dota streamers getmore viewers than the top SC2 streamers, there are also way less Dota streamers out there. If I would do a top 50 Dota streamers list, the #50 player would get maybe 20 viewers on average.Likewise, the EVE viewer numbers right now are based on a single stream. SC2, on the other hand, is a much more diverse animal in regards to streaming. There are way more streams, and there are way more streams that get a decent viewership compared to all other games (with the exception of LoL, of course).

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