DarkDeity15 said: The Link/Cloud MU is more or less even since Link isn't that mobile and has worse frame data, but he makes up for it by being a zoner and hitting hard, as well as having a field day edge guarding Cloud.



And lol, the Cloud MU for Ganon is terrible. Cloud has amazing, massively disjointed aerials. Not only that, but he has amazing mobility. It would be almost impossible for Ganon to touch Cloud in neutral if he plays safe. It doesn't matter how powerful a character's moves are if they can't land them. Click to expand...

Well, Link's aerials are about better than Cloud's in frame data and strength either by how fast they come out (F-Air goes to Link), their power (F-Air, N-Air and U-Air go to Link), or how long they're active (all of Link's aerials, in this case, beat Cloud's). On the ground, all of Link's smash attacks trump Cloud on how fast they come out, and so does Link's Spin Attack. Cloud wins the tilt battle and jab battle, as well as grab speed battle, but Link wins the throw follow-up and the edge-guarding potential, as well as recovery.Link also beats Cloud by how fast he can hit Cloud with projectiles, as well as follow ups, and no amount of Limit is going to prepare Cloud for Link at all.As for Ganondorf vs Cloud, no, it's not as bad as you think. Ganondorf can actually get into Cloud's defenses and actually punish him; if Cloud goes for Cross Slash or Limit CS, Ganondorf will Wizard's Foot as a punish on block. Cloud's mobility still can't help him if he ends up using Dash Attack against Ganondorf, which gives the latter a free grab or F-Tilt.Yeah, Cloud has disjoints, but again, his Smash Attacks aren't much better than Ganondorf's, and if Cloud slides into Ganondorf on shield, Cloud may have to say goodbye to a stock. Also, Ganondorf's D-Spec can mix up with Cloud's U-Air for a potential stock at ~60% damage if Cloud goes for vertical kills, and Ganondorf just outright negates Cloud if Cloud is at 30%+ damage near an edge, which can and will happen.Cloud and Ganondorf could be even, but Link and Cloud are 60:40 Link favor.