Former NSA technical director turned whistleblower William Binney joined the Alex Jones Show Monday to break down America’s increasingly swift descent into a fascist state.

Binney, a 36-year veteran of the NSA, detailed multiple aspects of the agency’s current agenda, including its “treasonous” role in lying to judges in order to get unconstitutional domestic spying programs legitimized.

“When the government gets boxed into a corner, where they’re threatened by the test of a constitutionality of any of the programs they’re running, they lie to the courts,” Binney said. “And the courts are letting them get away with it.”

“They are allowing perjury by the government to determine what in fact is tested in the courts in terms of constitutionality. That in my book, is what treason is all about. You are fundamentally going after the foundations of this government and corrupting it. That to me is real treason.”

Despite tireless claims that such programs are used to protect the public from foreign threats, countless leaks have revealed the agency’s true endgame: Total population control.

“It’s being used to set up the way and means to control the population,” Binney said. “I’ve been referring to it as the new Stasi agency because that’s exactly what the Stasi did, they had files on everyone…”

In Stasi fashion, the NSA has begun feverishly spying on its own, fearing further leaks from a growing number of disgruntled employees.

“I know that they’ve instituted programs that get agency employees to spy on one another, which simply means it’s just like East Germany,” Binney said. “You got your neighbors spying on you and here its your neighbors you’re working with and trying to do the job (with). That makes a very unhealthy atmosphere to work in.”

Although many employees have begun to recognize the agency’s criminal behavior, fear of retaliation by the Obama Administration, which has charged more legitimate whistleblowers with espionage than all other presidents combined since 1917, has kept more potential truth tellers at bay.

Binney himself was a victim to such government overreach when more than a dozen FBI agents attempted to intimidate him into silence during a 2007 raid on his home.

“It’s really strange to be coming out of your shower in the morning and to have somebody pointing a gun at you, so your looking at the end of the barrel of a pistol…” Binney said of the incident. “We were trying to work within the government all the way up to then but they didn’t want to do that… they didn’t want anyone in the government to know what they were doing.”

Binney also mentioned the extreme capabilities of the agency’s new Utah data center, where Infowars reporters were confronted by NSA security last year.

“That’s the whole point of why they had to build Bluffdale with all that storage,” Binney stated. “It wasn’t for metadata, it was for content of communications like all of your emails and phone conversations…”

“If you wanted to put together all of the relationships of everybody in the world on metadata relations and build those kind of graphs… then you could do that and store it in a room 20 foot by 40 foot… and you could keep it there for 50 years perhaps… The real point was that the hundreds of thousands of square feet of storage was needed for the content and that’s where the bulk of data is.”

According to multiple insiders, the most troublesome of the NSA’s activities lies in their blackmail of government officials.

Binney made specific mention of the FBI’s targeting of former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer. After coming out against Wall Street’s Bush era exploits, the former governor found himself embroiled in a prostitution scandal that ended his career. The FBI’s access to NSA data through the Patriot Act undoubtedly provided the government with the tools needed to destroy Spitzer.

Fellow NSA whistleblower Russel Tice has also alleged similar incidents, reporting that Hillary Clinton, Senators John McCain, Diane Feinstein and Barack Obama were spied on during his 2002 to 2005 tenure at the agency.



Unfortunately, these much-needed leaks have in some ways worked to embolden arrogant members of the NSA’s leadership, leading Binney to believe that the best hope for constitutional restoration may lie in the spy agency’s pocket book.

“The one thing that could really hurt them is cutting their financial money, cutting the budget that they have,” Binney said. “That’s why they got so nervous about Representatives Amash and Conyers and their coalition group to defund NSA last July.”

“I would advocate hitting your state and local government employees and making sure that they stand up and resist this and also hit all your representatives in Congress and if they don’t start going along we need to have a unified effort to fire them, get rid of them.”

Civil liberties advocates worldwide have begun doing just that, using politics, encryption and the First Amendment to push back against the federal government’s nightmarish surveillance future.

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