Ian MacKaye (Fugazi, Minor Threat, Embrace) and Steve Albini (Big Black, Shellac, Rapeman) have known each other for years, since their bands were circulating the ’80s hardcore scene. The Kreative Kontrol podcast got the two underground icons on the phone to share some memories from those days, and it’s deeply fascinating if you have any interest in the history of American punk rock. The conversation lasts well over an hour, and it sounds like a fantastic way to spend your Friday. Listen below.

UPDATE: Here’s part 2…