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watch this.



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Hello And welcome back to himself for of the Cookie jar podcast. I'm tell Mills, and I'm joined by some Williams Lou Cerberus Fitzpatrick on DH. Newest member of team cowing,



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Huh? So thank you for having



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finally got a full house. And we've got a ram packed agenda for today, Sam. Yeah, Interesting one today, guys. We're going to be talking about the Genesis open. So the Genesis invitation or rather say County got that on the screen watching this was it comes in. Obviously be remiss not to talk about Tiger. It's his week at his events. We're going to throw some good tiger stats at us and some stuff there that's blown my mind. Um, we're gonna talk about Corona virus so slightly. Strange topic, but we've obviously massive cancellations this this week in terms of the tour and European stuff out in the Far East. So we're we're going to chew through that one as well,



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Really? On the Genesis open, It's currently Boris just teed off. What we're thinking



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38 1st class. What have we got? We got Rory Scott. I



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reckon DJs gonna come in



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on it. Start with an eagle with



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fluid field yesterday. Van has been nipping around a week that suddenly really looks watching



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future. Playing a four hybrid into a powerful



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just founder was playing should



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know where I should not be deserving of this wind into the gallery. Yeah,



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well, it's a him is the genesis. Always a Riviera is known



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as being quite a quite a set of words on the range when he was 16. Yeah. Thank you. Man is amateur. There is. Davey was an amateur. What



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we thinking about Woods is ah, forecasting



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doesn't bode well, does it happens to the best of us twice in a couple of weeks



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and no regular, though I can't remember for putting that softens the second



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time in a couple of weeks



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were all terrible. Yeah, perfect. No point professing to be as good as Tiger. And I don't fall apart very often. So you



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know what you know, like the excuse he gave on golf channel pro Ana greens.



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So that is the only thing at this time of year when you're in February and when they're in that sort of west coast swing every time you see apart Oana, Oana, Oana, they wanna come. They want to come play some bumpy winter here.



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Joanna's one. I've also read another. I wouldn't say it's an excuse, but certainly an issue he's got is a Peter Costas was saying, Apparently is back isn't great in the cold weather, and it's nippy out there. I mean, this is It's not UK cold, but it's



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for America. It's cost everybody's in T shirt. Anyone had played in Poona, I



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wouldn't know another where all



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tumbleweed blows through the podcast room. If if West Coast



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on the UK Isles,



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I said, I've played Pebble West Coast all piranha



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Paddle published. Definitely, partner. I don't know if



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Riviera's pine or if it's a bacteria. Isn't that what



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the greens, the grains of Obama and then the roof from the could



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create and Elkington talking about I ke a grass and how he felt he had an advantage on a lot of the American guys because it's quite spongy. You know what I think that's quite big in Australia. Yeah, So he was saying a lot of those guys know how to attack people from quite short, shallow angle, whereas if you get bit steep on it on Ky Ky it rides up the face and goes nowhere.



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But Bruce has got a bit of Southern hemisphere golf to look forward to tomorrow and way way addressing with surgery.



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So it's out yet. Georgia joint counter area down there. Just try and get a bit practise in which I'm very much looking forward to, because the weather here is so yes, offer back stormed Denis. Yeah,



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absolutely horrific. We can for anyone wanted to clean their sticks and get out there today. It was just not the show someone.



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I went up to our local golf club a couple of hours ago and tried to hit feeble there, which is no



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emphasis on tried hitting Bruce's butter knives and in the ass off about. So what?



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I mean, you could really feel our hands and we're sort of straddling. Puddles of water



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on the practise just wasn't really shout. Get improved, boys. Go to work.



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You gotta work in all conditions. Wait, Master Chi Kai, you gotta help to



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most of the songs. You have to show way talking to



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gloves for Gioia weather. Tommy Gainey.



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Teo. So we should introduce carries just nipping in there with my quality in a private golf knowledge that when you just tell us a bit about yourself for the benefit of our listeners, Cal.



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Thank you. Um, right when it was cow playoff five. Also, player I called golf club in Worcestershire with these three fine gentlemen. Um, yeah, I've been playing. Probably started. Take it seriously when I was about 13 got down to five pretty quickly. Lt's probably five when I was about 15. 16. Rumoured to be the foursomes partner in County Off with Mr Pepper, is that correct? Not correct. Played in the same. Played in quite a few The same comes within this sort of really even, you know, stuff around Oxfordshire. But now, I mean, certainly his brother Joe was Mohr sort of my level my age group. And then Eddie was couple years younger off scratch when he was 12. And perhaps



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if you listen in just a just drop us a message. Yeah,



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We're happy to have you bring on the party.



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Could be a friend of the pot for your chat about BB. No golf with cow and reminisce about the



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days rolling back the years with cow wing. This it's got a nice ring to it, Hasn't it many good links as well? Then you get on the shores.



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Played on assault in north Devon is Welsh is do fantastic championship courses. They're lucky enough to have the British boys there this year. Which was fine. Right on display on DH. Yeah, very keen. I mean, outside of what you play as much as you can. You take climate



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and imports. Mao's into knowledge as well, don't you? It's a bit of an investment in your brain. That storey



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of the great, we might say



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I would say so.



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Golf, history, golf, architecture, you know, can dive into.



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It's interesting that we've got the



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four of us,



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the four of us here for the first time, we've never actually fully explained the genesis. Oh, I didn't Cookie jar golf.



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Yeah, So the term itself, I guess, refers to a celebration which a good friend of mine at university picked up on or or, you know, coined it because it's a very famous shot of tigers, which is always, you know, put to various different theme songs or on, you know, vines and instagram videos and all sorts off him hitting this four on at the President's Cup when Freddy Couples with captain. Not sure what year that was exactly, but he hits this. Four. Andi just starts walking after it with these arms, held out up in the air for quite a long time and in the right hand, just sort of. It



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was a sick club. 12 wasn't. It was the shaft angle. Doesn't change, just spins nicely. Just slows into the, however. So



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gentle twist of the club in the left hand. The right hand list me and ended up towards his face.



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It's the march starts Justus the arms sort of lead forward. So it's kind of like, you know, testify for



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five years for the president's car, which skips onto, you know, a few feet. And he told this right hand up forever as he's walking, marching, in fact, marching are



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for the rest of the dips down There's no cocks,



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and then he gets a little reflection in the right wrist, just which just goes into the proverbial cookie jar on DH. Then hence the term, which my friend Andrews then I passed on to Sam and here we are. You know, a few months later,



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here we are with podcast hit in mediocre pitching wedges and holding our hands in there and slam dunking and pretending the week or something that we can offer



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it always. Blackwell Golf Club celebrations. I think that's acceptable.



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That was the Genesis, and this is the genesis we're watching now. Then sigh, I guess. Kind of our new world number one. McElroy's out last group. Pretty good. Pretty good history coming down the stretch when he's in with a sniff. Scott also looking pretty clinical, Vanna Still kicking around coaches annoyingly kind of good but doesn't have the best history. Right, counsellor?



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Someone has said to me that coach, say to me it was with on the commentator said. I was talking about coaches, single plane swing and how that effects his distance.



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It's ugly, but it's a fact.



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I don't even know what a single plane swing if



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they worked with a guy from plain truth golf, that's like a school of goal for a school of technical, so analysis and teaching. And yet so he has a very flat swing with very little left arm raise, which is supposedly and lead to more consistency. But



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not a single plane swing,



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single plane swing different stack until yes, similar principles in that you you minimise the amount of your arms raised. But I think there are a lot of very well regarded golf instructors out there Who would say that you need the arms to lift if you want to generate maximum clubhead speed.



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Well, throughout debate, they came up from the genesis of the day. Mickelson obviously carries around a fair, decent crowd with him, and he was stood on the third Teo and just wallops it right miles right so far, right?



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You said you sprayed it right in the



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eye. Said he sprayed it right. It's so far right that no one in the world has seen it. The people that were lined on the right of mystics is right of them now the rules of golf for saying you're gonna have got three minutes to find your ball. And if that was you, me, anybody else, that all of our listeners, that ball is gone, there is no way anybody find it. They had 100 people looking for this ball for three



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minutes. You basically said what you're saying, Those you're taking a best case of four ball, which gives you 12 minutes cumulative time looking for golf ball and you've got now kind of 305 hours of golf. Matthew got five hours of looking for a ball. This is 12 minutes. It's insane. Like so wonder. Some of these guys turned loose balls.



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I've got this this hypothesis and I'm



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like, Well, against Nichols.



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Now I find I've got this shitty hypothesis that I'd like you to use your cameras opinions on. I think at the pro level, the only unless the ball is clear and obvious to a spectator, the only people that should be all the search of the players and the caddies.



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Difficult because how



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so? How you before you're gonna get all the



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patrons and all the fans to just excuse me. Standstill. We're coming through. We



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have to get out blindfolds. Do you sort of start putting black tape over there? Are they



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no one? Tell the pro where. The booth. That's fine. Spacey. My final ball.



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We'll look at it this way if you're in. If you're in Tiger Woods's group and you have to hit that shot, you're 10 times more likely to find the ball than if you're not in it round in the first TI group on Saturday with no Spectators.



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Yeah, it's just,



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I think I think it's fair point. I think it's hard to know police against. I mean, if I if you're playing in a mid event, so let's just a huge event. Writes a final day. So we got people car. You can have a certain number of people looking. If you're playing on a small level event and you've only got half a dozen people following you, I think you're in a disadvantage. If you put the ball in the same spot, you could have no more than, say, 15 20 minutes worth of people looking for balls added up. This is perhaps 345 hours, and I think that's a That's a massive difference. These guys so. But the question is, how do you police up?



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Yeah, logistically, it's It's not really,



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Well, I I know it's silly. I'm being ridiculous when I say it, but it is it isn't fair



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and into which the issue with policing is that it It's running in a very different direction, too. A lot of concerns out there which is pace a play, making sure the game speeds up a bit way well.



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Realistically, there's still only got three minutes total. It's not fancy me back on the tee or its provisional.



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Yeah, but then it's three minutes you've got to spend looking for when you get down there rather than it already being found. You mean I was just walked straight to it



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and just think they the best player at our own club? If he's hit his ball into the trees, he will hang back until you have made it to him to start looking for his ball because he's like that smile.



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That makes sense. Because when I've when I've put it in the swell



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falls, well, no. But my point now is if you're a pro, there's already 100 people looking for you before you got there before the three minutes it started.



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So I don't think that I meant to



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say, patron, stand where you are. Don't Don't you think Wait till I get to you? Then we can all start looking



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a bit of a knowledge bomb foryou. Varna last year, Bethpage U. S Open. I think he was in contention on the last day using the final Great kept six correct. When it started going wrong, he was just sure left a trap on somewhere about seven or eight or something nasty sort of hook. Remember that thick, wiry grass tugged it dead, left straight into the trees. Like if you walked in there, there was half a chance. You're going to find Harrison Ford on a stick. It was like an episode of Indiana Jones. You're never going to see this thing on. He went darting ahead, looking for the ball. And then the commentators was rapidly on the poor gun. Yeah, he's made exactly the wrong call there. You should have steadied the ship, Put a privilege down, wait for everyone to catch up, and then go. Right now, we're gonna start looking from a golf ball. He never found the ball. I don't think and you know, kind of those the things that cost you.



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That's a great point, actually. And that's probably what tie you to his credits. Done exceptionally well.



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Strategy? Do you think Harold Varner has gotten over the fact that everybody just only refers to him as being the nicest man in golf?



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only I get over that no one's ever said about May. So I've never had an issue of getting over that sort of comment.



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Maybe they'll be nice to be known for something else and he wins. Mondrian



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Nice is well plucking this one. This's right. So he's got one way and I'm pretty sure he won something like the Australian PGA. 1 2018 We see. We can confirm real



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times that cheque on this



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one. He's just a top five top 10 machine. I actually



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studied Teo us. He's become our gas and we've talked about it a lot the last couple of weeks.



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Hey, you know? Yeah, yeah,



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we're just fact checking this Anything you want in the Australian.



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Pretty sure it's gone. Winds



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didn t B is it dot career wins Australian P C 60



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something. I said 18 but



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15 love Takao bonus points for number, margin of victory. So just just bring us back on on topics. The genesis. So, interestingly, Justin more a coward just not quite get up and down. He's now eight under. He's chasing the pack is not far off 53rd currently in the O. W gr. So he's 53rd in the world rankings. This is gonna be a big weekend for him. This is probably going to give him. In fact, he's probably only got exemptions to the majors because of his win on just thinking about it, but it's gonna move him at the tables. This guy's coming in like fast. I quite Francis guy, possibly just for a PGA this year. Column or a cow. Just last year. That's what came out of Oklahoma with Hovland. Hovland. Incredible. When you think those three guys in the side incredible it was kicking around.



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They are the new it's hard to say



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based on Thomas



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Thomas, Daniel Berger, that sort of Patrick Rodgers Country Rogers. Few of those great swing Roger's got, and yet he's not really clicked. Surely he's gonna break through its unborn because he's got you know, he's such a hell of a player and had such a great college record. But, yeah,



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we're gonna close us down on Genesis. Somebody looking macro, just following a little flick with a wedge in here that's going to about what we say 78 feet once that finishes late. Yeah, he's going uphill. Putt there, 11 under. I'm rooting for this guy to bring it home today. Oh, everybody wants macro to win



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something. A nice home for Macro, Elsie beginning of the week. He is sort of found himself number one spot and a lot of people in the news. I just I'm just because he hasn't won an event to get there. Roy is almost done it by sitting at home for the weekend. To



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be fair, he wasn't threatening



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anyone. Three, but a quiet start to the year Don't still play Arizona. I didn't play Pebble



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random, but what a way to silence the critics. This



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wouldn't just come back straight away



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and just cement that number one. Top 10. Top five. Tori Point. I think



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I would visualise it by dropping the mic on the floor. If it wouldn't piss time off, it wouldn't end a future recording. Sam has played himself off the podcast by throwing a mike.



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Yeah, well, it is, Um, I guess the one thing we haven't quite touched on, but maybe it's all self evident with the Genesis is that it is the strongest field that's been assembled this year.



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Nine by nine of the top 10



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Yeah, off the top 25 is a very, very high percentage.



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Is missing is the one that's not late. Word is he talked. I



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think he is top 10 years now. He has topped him. Could



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be him.



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It was not. There is a



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hay love's Doing this to test our knowledge doesn't, eh? With the 11 canonising. Think Candies playing Was it Webb? Things are under



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way on the other week, so I think



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there is no weekend weather is taking a week off



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its Web in the Top 10 Web. Seven Webs Insane is the only guy in the top 10. It's under 300 yards average driving distance This year. Start Allied, which, yeah, win the US Open. Ah, come



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on, Bruce.



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His Web When the 12 2020 12 Olympic Club 12 2012 Olympic Club Lee Westwood



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one final strike us. Does anyone remember



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the presentation handed over the medal on a trophy? Some way you could say patron, but a patron sort of burst into the ceremony. The presentation with a sort of union Jack Peacock hats on and started making peacock noises. Postman. The strangest thing, but probably one of the funniest things.



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Well, I'm glad we got that one right On 2012 months, 12



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Olympic Club Scott was just poured one,



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four and one in Tor under. Now this is back to what we're talking about. Last week. McElroy's now got a little sort of seven or eight foot uphill. If he's playing the man that feels like a tougher part, right?



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Yeah, it feels like the whole way. Yes, what's going through your mind? Macron's mind flapping. What Roaring really needs to be doing is just staying home playing his own game.



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I think the only hindrance from a watch in Rory is he feels like a streaky putter toe watch. So girls like you can either have the putters Red Heart in the fridge and there's no in between a Margaret. I mean, that might be like a way out of left field call, but he does like butter when it's cold, and this is exactly the part where you can watch him Missile day or hold or die shot 61 in the Canadian Open. One. That putter was on fire, pebble in the air and back



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with Faxon as me.



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It's one of the eyes.



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Yeah, so anyway, interesting. Eso target Big week hosting the event. Cool. Asshole. This place looks like



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where he was. Those that brown one on fire. Yeah, I think the front nine on his front nine years from when I was on fire. And then it just sort of cooled down. He didn't make a double. Or was that a secondary? Made it double with a wedge in hand. Yeah. Could have been one like three. Right now, I got a



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double seven. Nothing than something.



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Yeah, just a couple of



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he picks his partners right on the on This. So I think he gets to pick his partners in his event, right? J T J T. Is like his boys, and they say he picks him for the place of them at the Presidents Cup. He's in his piece in his group. He's had stricter with him as well from the 1st 2 days because



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that's what he was going to play. Rory. But yeah, you know, I don't think he likes playing with people who hit the ball. It's a long ti. Yeah, but he's not in Macron's Lee of distance.



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You kind of want to be at that level where you can rock up to the first event of the year. That's holding us a field of this strength and then turn up and go. OK, tiger, you just pick your pairings. Nafie 1st 2 days



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you say that he doesn't want my playing. People hit it longer than him. But then you had the tour champs last or the year before last, when Tiger one and it was target one. East Lake and McElroy just went out there. I'm gonna smash the ball and you just completely and didn't do himself in tie with his head like fairways, Greens bear with



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grace something that probably faces. Wait. Sorry people hadn't passed him. I think. I think if he's nice, you'll love one. I definitely one I at least



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I guess, consciously hitting the ball less distance. He's consciously playing more conservative golf off the tee. Great years, Tigers Driving was always the bet that could. He was never there. He was never straight. Every single hole was he was a good driving a long way, but now he's just knows how good his own game is. He's happy being 30 yards back from the other guys.



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Well, I think he just knows that. You know, he's not the power in a region of the power game that he once had three years ago, when he came back, when he first came back properly and he was, You're seeing who will Young bucks were on tour and probably thought it was a wound him up for the first month or two now, and I think he's, you know, there was all that chatter. Is one the torture. They won the Masters.



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Beef and Thomas were giving it the you know, it would be lovely to have tied around. You know, I think this prime and seeing if I could pick myself against him when he turned up and they were like off speaks, trying



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to get back to where it wass. Thomas's playing pretty well,



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but it's obviously the Genesis is with Tiger had that famous 16 year old. He was, you know, most of the fairway and where he saw burst onto the scene on DH. We are dedicating a bit of the show toe. Some of Tiger's best events and best things he's done. Most



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plastic is going didn't like you. Forget how good the guy Wass. Let me just jump in kind of a tear. I give some stats. They're going to come



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from a 16 year old that in his 1st 100 starts on tour, Tiger 1 28 times Pipes and 28% winning his 1st 4 minutes.



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And that's was standing start his first event on tour.



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Rory, deejay, speaketh Fowler and Day combined in their 1st 100 won 27. No,



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that's actually cross. 500 isn't



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500 rounds, but 1st 100 each. Rory. Deejay, speaketh, Violent Day combined. 27 wins.



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I was fucking unreal. When you think how good those guys are, that's some status now. Yeah, that's one of the best. But do you



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think? Do you think that one



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again? Yes, that's just observe



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you, too, Chris.



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What do you do? You think it's because the standard of golf now is more competitive than it wasn't? Well, here's one for



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you, right? Here's one for you. Woods is largest winning victory margin. 2000 U. S. Open Pebble Beach. 15 shots. He was clear of Ernie Els, and second, he



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was invincible. Round pebble



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wasn't only hours over par three, and he



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was practically invincible like finished well, Bundy and everyone would always jump. Teo was 97. Masters wasn't as like his dicked. On the whole, the failed pebble was just a complete, different level.



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Yeah, or my favourite statistic about Tiger Woods, which doesn't doesn't really exist any longer, but I think it's still very impressive because, well, I'll just tell you and you tell me if you think it's impressive. So he turned pro in 1996 and his first Miss cut on the PGA Tour happened in the 1997 Bell Canadian Open, which was which was his 26th tournament of his PGA Tour career. He didn't miss a cup for another eight years on DH to spend prior to 2009 said prior to his car accident, he'd only missed five cuts in his entire career, sewed 1 14 majors and Mr five cuts.



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What percentage of players coming out in the cut? It's not a I've never You guys gonna look at me like I'm talking nonsense. It's not 50%. The field is setting up a business like it's more about the midpoint, right, so he's finished after two days and anything can happen in two days. Golf. You've only got to get on the wrong side of the draw for one day. So rain comes in the afternoon. You are off tournament. He's missed five cuts. Yes, I think 1st 13 years of professional golf,



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I think on DH. I mean, one of the cuts he missed was in 2006 at Winged Foot. So the only cuts in majors I think he missed is a pro. 2006 U S. Open wing for his father had just died maybe a week or two before. And then he missed the 2009 cut at the British Open. Sorry, the open house should be called. Um, and prior to that, yeah, he'd only missed those. The only two major cuts he missed. And then you missed the 1997 Bell Canadian Open, which I just mentioned the 2005 TDs. Byron Nelson, the 2009 storey, the 2005 Funai Classic. Um, that was it



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just obscene. I think we've seen



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I think, you know, when he when he did have the back surgery and he came back early, remember? He came back, and he's like, chilli dipping. Always cheer. 80. And he was embarrassing, you know, he might He must have been embarrassed. And everyone's a laughingstock to the world of the nerves. But he wasn't really was. He just came back early.



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Yeah. You don't mind that mental fortitude? So you know what? I don't care that I've shot 82. I'm gonna go and give it, You know, I'm gonna give it another crack next week, and then she 80 Chambers Bay and then keep trying to fight through pain and just say, I'm gonna get back to where I was.



spk_2: 27:26

And I think I worry that in years to come people look back and go. Well, it was different when Tiger did. And I think the landscape of the quality is slightly different now. But I don't think it's any reason for why Tiger did this start. Did the stuff he did starts. We're talking about there, You know, when you look at the level he was playing out the difference versus the rest of the field on him, I worry people will look back and go Well, it was different than it was just there was no competition.



spk_1: 27:50

What's interesting? I suppose is that courses through the two thousands went through this tiger proofing, you know, and it's now a case that the golfers they're out there are hitting it further then Tiger and more accurate than Tiger off the tee. But he's still scoring



spk_2: 28:08

is still out there to prove the



spk_1: 28:09

point. It's not. It wasn't like his obscene length in these long, but it wasn't his obscene length that he was dismounted courses because he's just sick.



spk_3: 28:16

Well, yeah, he was about sort of 70% driving accuracy in his prime, which known the guys, which even Rory,



spk_2: 28:22

even 65% is as good as it gets on that



spk_3: 28:24

Rory is like the best driver, the ball. And he's probably what, 65% pull that up the last few seasons. But he was, Yeah, he was exceptional compared to everyone else around him, and I Yeah, I know what you mean, Sam, like there is a worry that people will just say I was different, you know, the competition was in his fears, but you can only be judged based on the people around you and like how you fared in your ear, ised the same argument that need to be made when people talk about Jack Nicklaus and Palmer and Player and Watson and how good they were, you can only be judged, you know, based on the field against which you're competing. I



spk_2: 29:01

mean, I've got it. I've got a couple we didn't googling, and I kind of pulled one out. I I mean, this talks with a major record, right? So from 1997 3 to 2008 Tiger in all major championships was 126 under par. Cumulatively, Okay, during that time, there were 138 other golfers in that span with at least 40 rounds of majors. Clearly, not everyone played in animated off that group. Second place to his 126 under par was Joe Ogilvie at 63 over par. Tiger is more than 200 shots ahead over that same period of God of his contemporaries who played in the similar number of rounds. People like Phil and Ernie Fair play to Joe Opel seconds. I think clearly the number PJ probably since like out 2003. Yeah, I think you probably have an early faster on one



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of late and he didn't. It was probably a good journeymen, but there's no he didn't win my stand up career. It's no you say Joe Ogilvie to most people in that sort of thing to me, Jeff. Exactly. You mean Gerald Jeff



spk_2: 30:16

Jo Jo, Journeymen cow Once on the part Joel movie one Accompany 2007. I think we wanted to do that. We want to talk about some of these things that we've seen over time and think, How does he know he's 40



spk_1: 30:32

five? He won the U. S. Bank championship in Milwaukee. Doesn't sound like one of the mainstays



spk_3: 30:40

you're saying out of that his second time.



spk_2: 30:42

So our repeat, 97 3 2008 Tiger was 126 under par in those majors. They're 138 golfers in that span with at least 40 rounds in majors. So I'm gonna played as many off That group of second place was Joe Ogilvie at 63 over par. If you went to golfers who played in similar number events, people like Fillon Ernie, you would be 200 shots. Plus we get



spk_3: 31:06

results in major championships. Joe Ogilvie. Right. Okay, so from 4009. He's probably paying once in 246



spk_1: 31:16

says cut more than 11



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or 12. Yeah, he's missed. Cos missed three



spk_2: 31:22

40 rounds of major golf. This if you carry on cuts you pat you carrying bad rounds. I was played



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in very few. Yeah, I mean, the stats like distorted, but



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he's second. The point is not how good is good in the booth. Thank you. Going down. Rather were there on Joe like I'm paying him to like you should have won 11. Maybe he was just standing out like a God. Right, Joe? No point. The benefit. That story's not, say, Joe's a second best goal from the planet. Massive shadow to James loved you on, but just become David. I'll wrap it up. With everyone's favourite 3 2003 to 2005 Tiger had 1543 putts from three feet in. He missed three 1543. He missed three of them



spk_1: 32:16

about you. If you offered him some of those stats today, would bite your hand off



spk_2: 32:20

three of them on that door all night. If I may say very interesting, we will talk a little bit as well about the Corona virus. So I mean, unless you've been under a rock the last four weeks, you will obviously know about the devastating impact of Corona virus. The health scares in the UK is kicking off in a big way. I'm getting taxed from my local GP asking about, and I'm like, Obviously, if I've been coming from Wu Han, I think this would have been news already. Um, it's good to get it, like so initially, like what I'm saying is,



spk_1: 32:56

I've got a friend who lives in China and you like, What's going on over there? Is everything fine? A message came back as if it came from Chinese state media. Oh, it's all over hyped. It's nothing. No problem at all. It's



spk_2: 33:06

still safe over here way shelling for saws and killing loads. More people at the common flu seas off hundreds of people every year. 15,000 years. Clearly, there's something I don't know. This feels like 1000 UK really silly, and we are properly sweating over 100 people out in, you know, kind of Wu Han and a couple of people who picked up you know Corona virus. The mortality rates pretty like. Nevertheless, the European tour. In its infinite wisdom and wrapped up, I suggest partly in media hype, have cancelled a shitload, a tournament. So what? We had cancellation open. Okay, China opened all those big one in China, right? That's a big, big ticket. European events. I think it's like shape of their eyes.



spk_3: 33:52

Probably his biggest once, Woz, but it's still standing pretty decent. Tournament on



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DH. Hong Kong Open



spk_3: 34:00

Well, nothing that was played in



spk_2: 34:01

No, I want to say Hong Kong's cancelled.



spk_3: 34:04

I think they replayed it. I'm going to say they're replayed it. Something was cancelled in November. I'm pretty sure they went back to it in January. There was another tournament on at the time, so I think way Ormsby might have defended. He's gonna throw that out. I think



spk_2: 34:20

I trust everything, Cal says. Okay, we'll make our lives better. Golfing knowledge. But nonetheless, he's a quite big flagship weigh dorms.



spk_3: 34:25

He was defending champion, a think he defended it.



spk_2: 34:28

So my point here is no you know, you know top level European tour golfers that I'm gonna be out and competing for these things, but then what's the ramification then for other golfers? So people in the feeder tours like Challenge Tour people in Asia tour people who are probably scrambling to get their cards. That's gonna have a massive impact, right?



spk_3: 34:47

You know, completely messes up your schedule on DH. So



spk_2: 34:51

what, you suggested people are



spk_1: 34:53

knocking down to the Europa it or just to get some money in the euro boys can't play. And I mean,



spk_3: 34:58

like, this week, for example, they're the challenge stalls out in South Africa. Richard Stand Yeah, which I think is a one this afternoon against yours could see is, Yeah, he's a steady European tour player, but that will naturally attract all the top South African players anyway. But what's the point? I think a lot of the sort of latest locker players come through on the European Tour have had to go back to play on that on the challenge tour. Because while this night the European schedules bit up and down there all over the place, there's not much in the next month or



spk_2: 35:35

things that evolve open China. They're gonna be quite big prize fund events if you can't quite make it on some of these PJ, And sometimes there's bigger events on the European tour PGA or comparably similar to the prize money. So those go the golfers can only go certain places. Then I think that hasn't been. My poisoning has a trickle down effect, then to the other people that would be challenged tour people that are pitching up to try and move up in playing bigger events all of a sudden points ability to retain cards is massively infected for him.



spk_3: 36:04

If you're on the challenge tour and you're yet you're working your way up to get to the European tour, then all of a sudden a few, you know, very accomplished. European Tour pros dropped down to play in a challenge to prevent to stay sharp or two, you know, on some more cash than that. Yeah, that that would absolutely this is what's happened. Waco Society 123 top European Tall Players magazine Who's flying shred out to Mexico for the WGC next? Where?



spk_2: 36:30

Yeah, I mean, they you're gonna turn up on the rain. July. Holy fuck! There goes. There goes this week. I've got, you know, one of the best golfers on the planet. Next to me now.



spk_3: 36:38

It is so hard to get a card on the European tour in keeping card. I mean, the challenge tour is well, it's like, you know, you could be winning. Ah, an event around about now because it's so heavily weighted with the race to Amman much later in the season. Yeah, I mean



spk_2: 36:54

present now 60 in the world. Right now. He's ahead of every paper. Well, he's had a Brendan tarred his two spots behind Keegan, Bradley and his five spots behind Mickelson. This guy's not around. Yeah, he's not around in a challenge tour event,



spk_3: 37:06

even though it's a challenge to or where you come tomorrow in the world rankings get refreshed. He might donate mind, find himself on the 50 mark. Yeah,



spk_1: 37:13

but it could be a bit skewed because this is this African event and they do like to. The sufferings do like to represent after golf, and they tend to go back in play. So perhaps he's got a little plate anyway, depending on you know what's going on.



spk_3: 37:27

But I feel for those Europeans. All rookies have gone over its power, not state tournament. Fresh from what? Well, happy, then um I mean, they're just doing that just to stay, to stay a match fit. But of course, all that money they're running on the channel school's gonna have no impact on the roads of the bayou, Anything like that. We're just not good towards their recipe, right? I mean, it's I'm looking schedule. I think so. I think the next European tour event



spk_2: 37:50

Why do the big European thinking getting



spk_3: 37:56

Kenya Somalia mano a mano can use it?



spk_1: 38:00

It's a man than the guitar. And then you can you



spk_2: 38:03

can call warning Qatar, you know? Yeah.



spk_1: 38:05

I mean, I'm not entirely sure when Europe became so all encompassing.



spk_3: 38:10

I mean, I can You're about that. That was a challenge to offer you



spk_2: 38:13

a strange one. Kenya thing is, Leo, your sun cream guys, look at the race to



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Dubai point. So for WGC Mexico next week, 9000 rays to buy points available. If you keep scrolling down again and then it's something like 1200 available in Kenya on its events. I those that those guys, that's all they get into. I mean, they literally got toe win.



spk_2: 38:40

You on the account? Exactly. You're completely Nique up to that point, aren't



spk_3: 38:43

you really thing? Last year was something like 300,000 euros to keep your card like something like, there's



spk_2: 38:50

a correlation with the race to Dubai in the prize money for the car spot



spk_3: 38:53

spot 115 was on, and I was about 300 grand. Um, and you've pretty much you've always got a way to my three underground because this is no enough money in, or you just gonna be five top 10 monsieur. She a



spk_2: 39:07

consistent Joe Ogilvie and some of the greats out that way. Well, Rolex general



spk_3: 39:16

movie of Rolexes, musically.



spk_2: 39:19

And then get exactly the Rolex Series events that's littered with top talents. And



spk_3: 39:22

that just distorts even more because those rookies, they can't get into the Rolex Series events. The point is that the money available in



spk_2: 39:29

and you got your Saudi events where you've got people like D. J turning up Rose. You know, these people are taking massive appearance fees to rock up to these events, you know? I don't know. I kind of, you know, there was one of my listeners that anyone listening is playing on the Chinese still gives a shot. We'd love to hear about it. But



spk_1: 39:47

I remember reading a star a little while ago, and I'm happy to be corrected. There was something like on tour the difference between I'm keeping your tour card and no boil down to about 0.1 of a stroke over, around



spk_3: 40:03

over there in like, 20 euros lesson that it's just like you want mess part at some point. Yeah, that's when it in the



spk_2: 40:11

margins in the average scoring with these players is so small it it's no even one decimal point. It's sometimes down to the second round, and



spk_3: 40:18

it's like three wax apart from 20 feet back in April



spk_2: 40:21

in the top half, a challenge told on quite good money. The bomb. Half you kind of You're scrapping around quite a bit, right? It's no easy, necessarily. It doesn't wash its face. So someone explains



spk_1: 40:30

to me, Challenge tow you. I mean, it's the same as pros. I might just completely find yourself. You're going to be gone. And if you don't if you make the current occupation



spk_3: 40:38

sponsored sleeping a lot, a lot of very good challenge will have significant sponsors, but yeah, I mean, I mentioned that entrance fees And so a schedule of travelling and



spk_1: 40:49

anyone have an idea what entrance fears for a chance to prove it. I'm not sure.



spk_3: 40:52

I machining once you've got your card be the same going Europeans or events. You know, thie



spk_2: 40:59

killer issues. Were you trying to get into the challenge tour on you because that's your ticket to play a little bit off



spk_3: 41:04

getting there and maintain your flight? I mean, that's the big one, isn't it? Do you back yourself to sort of stay there until Sunday night, Monday morning or whatever, but then if you missed the cut, you're then paying like, two more nights and hotel where you don't really to be there. It's just I mean, hear some storeys of guys, like if it so if I miss this cup, I'm I'm not gonna be able to pay my hotel.



spk_1: 41:30

Dream done, Max remember a couple years back at the Riviera, actually, at the six, which is the donut green with a bunker in the middle. There's a massive house at the back of the sixth, and a couple of years back someone Justin Rose was going over there and someone is like, That's my ass you can. You can stay there like for these boys like they do not need things for free. One thing they have to burn is cash. And he's like some of you stay in my house, man. You just come stay.



spk_2: 41:58

There must be so many golfers worldwide that would put up a challenge to our players for free.



spk_3: 42:03

Oh, yeah. I mean, if you ever go on a vent for breast going and we would all if it'll definitely ho symbol e think those stadium courses, those results that do have hotel on site, I think. To be fair, most will comp, um, try and stick him up for free.



spk_2: 42:21

So next week, looking pretty interesting, you got the WGC in Mexico. I quite like that event last year is the one that started on high altitude. Here's the ball goes crazy distance, but it's proper tie. It's small, sharp greens again. There's a really nice I think, the last few weeks being quite good, actually, because they're all quite tight, tight courses. They're quite enjoyable to watch. Remember one last year, but I remember it being pretty. Just Teo driving 3 90 Yeah, they're just setting



spk_1: 42:48

over the trees on the right when they're just being well



spk_3: 42:50

again. This is very close to being quite Tiger themed podcast, hasn't it? On DH, you know, although deejay wanted that shot all the moment that people remember



spk_2: 43:00

the bunker shot. Yeah, that was the bunker shot. He's Tiger helicopter helicopter finished. 099 from our one of 55 is cut Ip Circus. 60 are? Yeah, he's on. He's not playing this year. No,



spk_3: 43:17

no, you're not. Just wants to rest. He's just resting up Is



spk_2: 43:20

just thinking Majors a show guessing



spk_3: 43:21

he's got a big you know, it's gonna be pretty tough on his back. He plays the Florida swing, which is Bay Hill, the players on DH straight into more or less the master's on, which



spk_2: 43:33

is as a bear trap. Yeah,



spk_3: 43:35

yeah, so they there's a three places he's done very, very well, and



spk_1: 43:39

that's not that's coming. That's gotta be coming apart at the Honda Classic was in



spk_2: 43:42

Florida strings to Mexico,



spk_3: 43:45

Which is why, which is why were



spk_2: 43:46

they play another naughty event in Mexico as well? So they planted the one after that or straight up straight up to Florida. No fucking around So what? We're definitely gonna be here for that one. Okay, so it's been a rap. It's been fun. Have fun out there. Guys look forward to Storm Dennis blown over. Makes you get out there. China sticks and go like she



spk_3: 44:08

had to have one more. So you're saying right? One pic from all of you who's winning tonight? I would like Rory to win, but I think Scott is gonna get it. Done it. I think Adam's going tto Find some form of the putter



spk_2: 44:22

overhead for Make McElroy.



spk_3: 44:25

We'll be Rory. I think



spk_2: 44:27

that's 3 to 1 on DH



spk_3: 44:29

j b Hey Jefri three. We don't know. It's



spk_1: 44:31

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