

baineschile

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Sterling Heights, MI 1 recommendation baineschile Premium Member One Step Backwards Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



Other than that, this will lead to frivlous lawsuits that last years and cost the taxpayer money. The solution is for the entertainment industry to adapt; and distribute material easily, and through a cheaper mean.

jus10

join:2009-08-04

Gainesville, VA jus10 Member Re: One Step Backwards said by baineschile:



Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets. Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets.



RARPSL

join:1999-12-08

Suffern, NY RARPSL Member Re: One Step Backwards said by jus10:



said by baineschile:



Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet.

Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. This method, as described, does not monitor your traffic but only monitors a session that it establishes with you to verify what you are doing. IOW: It does not look at your in-flight traffic but creates its own traffic to you to show what occurred during THAT session. This is the equivalent of the difference between tapping your phone line to listen in on your conversations and placing a call to your phone and recording that specific conversion [of which you are one of the two parties].

rapidrick

join:1999-10-28

Bear, DE rapidrick Member Re: One Step Backwards So, they are rattling the door of your house then, or just shinning s flashlight in to see if your a criminal?



Just curious, if the RIAA, or the MPAA wants to check my home, can they just walk through and look?



So, they will scan everyone's computer, looking for theft? Curious, the data they send, and the data I send back from my Comcast connection, do I pay for it? Does it count against my 250 Gig limit?

AstroBoy

join:2008-08-08

Parkville, MD AstroBoy Member Re: One Step Backwards said by rapidrick:



So, they are rattling the door of your house then, or just shinning s flashlight in to see if your a criminal?



Just curious, if the RIAA, or the MPAA wants to check my home, can they just walk through and look?



So, they will scan everyone's computer, looking for theft? Curious, the data they send, and the data I send back from my Comcast connection, do I pay for it? Does it count against my 250 Gig limit?

So, they are rattling the door of your house then, or just shinning s flashlight in to see if your a criminal?Just curious, if the RIAA, or the MPAA wants to check my home, can they just walk through and look?So, they will scan everyone's computer, looking for theft? Curious, the data they send, and the data I send back from my Comcast connection, do I pay for it? Does it count against my 250 Gig limit? The can't walk into your house, yet.

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said by jus10:



said by baineschile:



Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.

Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets.

Which Comcast now does as they spent however much money to buy one of the poorest excuses for an "entertainment" company in the modern era.I think the only logical solutions going forward are end to end IPsec of all traffic going across the internet. I'm no pirate, but I do use torrents now and again when I need the latest Linux ISO. An ISP has no business looking at the contents of my packets. IPsec won't help. They will be a peer on the network and also use IPsec. You won't know it is them connecting.



Chasmn

@comcast.net Chasmn to baineschile

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Step backwords for a company who now produces content and shows it to now try and protect it! Yes as a consumer it stinks to pay for it but if you dont want to pay... than dont watch it. The answer shouldnt be to go against the law but instead to correct the process.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ 1 recommendation fifty nine to baineschile

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said by baineschile:



Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



Wrong direction ISPs. The only way they should justify policing the internet is if they have a monetary stake in the entertainment company.



Comcast and Time Warner? Nahhhh they have no relation to any entertainment companies. Hmm.Comcast and Time Warner? Nahhhh they have no relation to any entertainment companies.



clickwir

join:2001-06-21

Dickson City, PA clickwir to baineschile

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IMO, They should never try to justify policing the internet. Just give me a connection. Nothing more. I don't want people watching what I do.



Acuity

join:2002-06-22

Londonderry, NH Acuity Member I've had my fair share. I've had several false positives for both movies and software from Comcast. Before you ask, WPA2 is enabled on my router with a not so easy password. All of my neighbors are old, and I live in the boonies.



The disappointing thing is that I get notices for chick flicks. If I'm going to get blamed for something, it should be a little more manly. JFC.



Selenia

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Fort Smith, AR Selenia Premium Member Re: I've had my fair share. Not so easy to you may be easy for a cracking program, whose dictionaries are always growing. To be sure, you might check your DHCP leases page for any foreign Mac addresses. I actually never got a warning and used to do very heavy filesharing, but had quit a few years ago. As an active participant in the open source movement, I just no longer see a need. It used to be so that I knew what was actually good and wasn't wasting so much money on crap, however, that is a non-issue with free software. It's also a non-issue with many of the great music artists that make their music available(at least for listening) online for free. As to movies, they rot your brain. I'd rather be gaming. I watch very little TV, but free online streaming sites mostly satisfy that need. I have basic cable for when the family is over.



FFH5

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Tavistock NJ 1 edit FFH5 Premium Member Getting ready for laws making them content cops? This may just be these companies getting the tools in place in case the Congress OK's ACTA and makes them be content cops. Developing the tools and testing them may take some time. I am sure they want to be ready if Congress forces their hand.



Also, if they successfully develop these tools they could then sell it as a service to smaller ISPs, Universities, libraries, etc who don't have the money to develop them on their own and may be forced to play content cop by new laws.



ArrayList

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Mullica Hill, NJ ·Comcast XFINITY

ArrayList Premium Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? the fact they are doing this when they are not required to forces my hand into not being a customer. I will settle for >6mbps dsl when I really really want 10+mbps cable.



and if AT&T even thinks about doing this I will suffer at the hand of my cellular carrier's 3g network(~1mbps).



goddamn I feel like internet freedom was so 1990's. wtf happened?



FFH5

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? said by ArrayList:



goddamn I feel like internet freedom was so 1990's. wtf happened?

goddamn I feel like internet freedom was so 1990's. wtf happened? Malware; botnets; organized crime; foreign government spying; cyberwarfare; massive databases by advertisers; etc. The internet has grown up - it is no longer academics and research. It is now "just business" with all the pluses and minuses that implies.



ArrayList

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Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? i love how bittorrent was nowhere in there.



make sense as bittorrent is not a problem.



chasmn

@comcast.net chasmn to ArrayList

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Internet freedom... What about a business model. If company xyz spends money on making a program why would it be fair for everyone to get it for free. Everyone wants ad free content for free... HMMMM DOESNT SOUND LIKE THAT WOULD WORK DOES IT



ArrayList

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Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? i pay for my internet. i don't steal it. no reason for them to snoop on me.

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? said by ArrayList:



i pay for my internet. i don't steal it. no reason for them to snoop on me.

i pay for my internet. i don't steal it. no reason for them to snoop on me.



YEA gonna be fun isnt it .... haha so they next invent the voltage RSA cracker and hten walk to your home put it on and hten watch all tha encrypted RSA torrent traffic.YEA gonna be fun isnt it ....



anony

@charter.com anony Anon Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? Actually the voltage method took 104 hours with a cluster of 81 Pentium 4s to crack 1024 bit RSA and a tweaked power supply in the server.



chasmn

@comcast.net chasmn to ArrayList

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You buy a plane ticket and they still snoop on you!!!



ArrayList

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Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: Getting ready for laws making them content cops? thats not right either.

ArrayList ArrayList Premium Member DO NOT WANT



image is relevant. image is relevant.



PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13

Baltimore, MD PapaMidnight Member Re: DO NOT WANT said by ArrayList:







image is relevant.

image is relevant. It could also work cheaply -- the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. A little more on how they can reduce false positives:

Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago. Well....Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago.

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: DO NOT WANT said by PapaMidnight:



said by ArrayList:







image is relevant.

image is relevant. It could also work cheaply -- the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. A little more on how they can reduce false positives:

Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago.

Well....Funny that TPB shut down their tracker over 4 months ago.

for a not up thing its working pretty good despite it being a public tracker which i never really use. more funny as a test i just went and downloaded something.for a not up thing its working pretty good despite it being a public tracker which i never really use.



annoy

@charter.com annoy Anon Re: DO NOT WANT Actually you're probably using one or more of the other trackers included in the torrent, more than likely openbittorrent.com and probably DHT if you have it enabled. The TPB's tracker shows up as offline if you look at the trackers tab in uTorrent.

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: DO NOT WANT said by annoy :



Actually you're probably using one or more of the other trackers included in the torrent, more than likely openbittorrent.com and probably DHT if you have it enabled. The TPB's tracker shows up as offline if you look at the trackers tab in uTorrent.

no it was a TPB tracker.....you can see in the torrent client. no it was a TPB tracker.....you can see in the torrent client.



Del_Gue

join:2001-10-03

Lancaster, OH Del_Gue Member Under Suspicion A blacklist of suspected P2P users can't be far behind.



TheHelpful1

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Upper Marlboro, MD TheHelpful1 Premium Member Re: Under Suspicion what, like a no-fly list? You betcha.



Rogue Wolf

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Troy, NY Rogue Wolf to Del_Gue

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"Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Pirate Party?"



DataDoc

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Martinsburg, WV ·HughesNet

DataDoc Premium Member The thin edge of the wedge If they will do this for copyright holders, what's next? Filter my email just in case? Block search engines that don't kick back a little vig?



I torrented some legal software the other day, how would delivery of that be affected? Blocked, damaged, or just slow?



I do have an expectation of at least the privacy of my telephone conversations, land line or cell. Not that I actually get it, but I still expect it.



TwoCpus4me

join:2003-10-16 1 edit 1 recommendation TwoCpus4me Member Hmmm I'm not quite sure the ISP's have the legal standing to go trolling through data packets that are not their own.



How is this different than the US Post Office opening every piece of mail that they think could, maybe, woulda, shoulda, been involved in a crime and then turning those people over to the police?



Other than the fact technology makes it easy to do but not necessarily legal so they just go ahead?

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member move to canada ill set u up with a room

just be clean, pay your rent and use teksavvy

thats all thats asked



ArrayList

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Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: move to canada how about u just setup a vpn for me and I pay for that?

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: move to canada said by ArrayList:



how about u just setup a vpn for me and I pay for that?

how about u just setup a vpn for me and I pay for that?



and ill add the easiest solution to reduce flase positives is to reduce copyright terms to 14 or less years.

YUP

WHAT does 50 year copyright do for you citizens ( US what does 95 years plus say another 70 do for you) well thats one way to do it in a way then you would be "moving to canada"and ill add the easiest solution to reduce flase positives is to reduce copyright terms to 14 or less years.YUPWHAT does 50 year copyright do for you citizens ( US what does 95 years plus say another 70 do for you)



Z80A

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join:2009-11-23 1 edit Z80A Premium Member Is that even legal? Isn't looking "inside" the private communications between individuals illegal? It would be like the telephone company listening in on your phone conversations.



syslock

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join:2007-02-03

La La Land 1 edit syslock Premium Member Nothing Earth Shattering Here. This is going to flag and catch the regular home users

that don't have a clue.



This is not going to do anything for the huge file traders

that are using TOR or a Firewall that's configured properly.



Read page 4 and 5 of the pdf...



>the active probing approach is not entirely immune

from the possibility of false positive identification.

For example, peers using an anonymizing network such as

Tor [10] may produce false positives, since the last Tor router

on the clients path of Tor routers (called a Tor exit router)

would be implicated in the file sharing.



>False negative identification occurs when a

peer who is actively sharing a file cannot be identified as a file

sharer. Both the active probing technique and the na¨ve ping

method suffer from the potential for false negatives. The ping

method may miss peers who are behind a firewall that blocks

incoming ICMP traffic.



cdru

Go Colts

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Fort Wayne, IN cdru MVM $12.40 a month? quote: the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long. It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long.

Noname9

join:2009-09-04

Etobicoke, ON Noname9 Member Re: $12.40 a month? said by cdru:



quote: the researchers claim they could monitor the entire userbase of The Pirate Bay for just $12.40 a month. It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long.

It takes them $12.40 worth of work to determine that people are pirating from TPB? They either have the worlds cheapest consulting rate or they are REALLY slow at what they do if it takes them that long. Maybe they are hiring people from China. :P

crese24

join:2007-12-27 crese24 Member Wait So this means big brother is watching Torrents now? Why can't they just charge a piracy tax like 50 cents every month that goes to the media companies or all involved, and be done with it? Why are they trying so hard to kill a great technology?

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: Wait said by crese24:



So this means big brother is watching Torrents now? Why can't they just charge a piracy tax like 50 cents every month that goes to the media companies or all involved, and be done with it? Why are they trying so hard to kill a great technology?

So this means big brother is watching Torrents now? Why can't they just charge a piracy tax like 50 cents every month that goes to the media companies or all involved, and be done with it? Why are they trying so hard to kill a great technology?

thus a 6 billion lawsuit has ocurred look what happened in Canada the CRIA collects 70 million a month and ISNT PAYING ARTISTSthus a 6 billion lawsuit has ocurred

sharksfan3

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North Hollywood, CA 1 edit sharksfan3 Premium Member A work around Think of a low cost Windows XP/Vista VPS with unmetered bandwidth in a "favorable jurisdiction"...

qworster

join:2001-11-25

Bryn Mawr, PA ·Verizon FiOS

2 edits qworster Member The greening (destruction) of the Internet. The Internet is supposed to be FREE, yet thanks to the government limiting ISP competition to a few scumbags-said scumbags can do whatever they want-and we have no choice but to go along with it-or have no Internet at all.



The time has come for the people to tell the govt. to go F**K themselves!



I WANT unfettered Internet for a fair price-not the limited, slow, expensive filtered crap we get today. Most of the 'big boys' don't even offer Usenet any more! I pay a small fortune for Internet-and I shouldn't have to pay ANOTHER 12 bucks for something that I used to get for free! How is this not another price increase?



If the govt. would allow access to the 'last mile' to the home for a fair wholesale price (note that I'm not saying that competitors should get it for free-but they should be able to get it for a price that allows them to still offer service and make a couple of bucks in the process), then the resulting competition would drive prices down and speeds/quality up.



Cable Internet and DSL are monopolies today-and even worse they are UNREGULATED ones!



Fact is that the USA and Canada pays the highest prices for the worst service of ANY OTHER first world country!



My friends in Switzerland get REAL 8000/2000 (these are the MEASURED speeds!) DSL with static IP for about 28 US dollars a month. No caps and no blocks. No limiting of bandwidth or services like Usenet.



I pay 37 dollars for 6000/768 that actually measures 4000/650 on speed tests. If I wanted cable I'd pay 60 dollars a a month for

10,000/1000 Roadrunner cable-over twice as much as they pay for a bit more download and half the upload, plus dynamic IP-and no Usenet.



CableISPsupp

@mediacom.com CableISPsupp Anon Accuracy of reporting agencies. My question is , just how accurate are these companies that report the actual infringements of their copyrighted material.

As an employee of a major ISP, it is my job to read the notices and track down the IP addresses from the DHCP tables.

No one tells us how they come up with their information. We are to take it as fact , no questions asked.

By the law, we must do something otherwise we would have to hand over our customers information to these companies if we did nothing.

I really doubt these companies are truly checking in to anything properly. They just send a thousand notifications a day and we

Are unable to handle that load with the manpower that we have.

33358088 (banned)

join:2008-09-23 33358088 (banned) Member Re: Accuracy of reporting agencies. said by CableISPsupp :



My question is , just how accurate are these companies that report the actual infringements of their copyrighted material.

As an employee of a major ISP, it is my job to read the notices and track down the IP addresses from the DHCP tables.

No one tells us how they come up with their information. We are to take it as fact , no questions asked.

By the law, we must do something otherwise we would have to hand over our customers information to these companies if we did nothing.

I really doubt these companies are truly checking in to anything properly. They just send a thousand notifications a day and we

Are unable to handle that load with the manpower that we have.

were well past the rule of law with these people

ACTA is proof they dont even care about democracy.

SO i shall ignore it as will everyone else. AND we'll make enough noise were still doing things that you wont dare cause we just might vote the party in in Canada YOUR going to dread..... were well past the rule of law with these peopleACTA is proof they dont even care about democracy.SO i shall ignore it as will everyone else. AND we'll make enough noise were still doing things that you wont dare cause we just might vote the party in in Canada YOUR going to dread.....



OldschoolDSL

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Indian Orchard, MA OldschoolDSL Premium Member Legal BiTorrent



So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this. Not everything downloaded using BitTorrent is illegal. Further more a few years ago, there was a paid service (like iTunes) which used BitTorrent as a company standard (don't recall the name).So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this.



dsport

@cox.net dsport Anon what about places ? like steam client and also blizzard downloader that uses bt to transfer data across teh netz.. thats how these 2 send patches to users and games are d/l through their respective brands

33358088 (banned)

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Re: Legal BiTorrent said by OldschoolDSL:



Not everything downloaded using BitTorrent is illegal. Further more a few years ago, there was a paid service (like iTunes) which used BitTorrent as a company standard (don't recall the name).



So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this.

Not everything downloaded using BitTorrent is illegal. Further more a few years ago, there was a paid service (like iTunes) which used BitTorrent as a company standard (don't recall the name).So I would imagine if I bought a copy of the movie, "Alice in Wonderland" when it finally comes out for sale... Some IPS will notice someone downloading, using BitTorrent, and it will be some title which will make them think...... Oh do I see a problem with this. ill add its perfectly legal in Canada to download



JohnNWPVNJMH

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Berkeley Heights, NJ JohnNWPVNJMH Premium Member Peerblock helps protect your privacy when using Torrents



If anyone will help counter this garbage, it will be small groups like that of PeerBlock.



If you never heard of PeerBlock, check them out .. the software is free:



»www.peerblock.com/ There is a great little startup company from NY called PeerBlock... I run this when sharing OpenSUSE and it is amazing at all the weird connections that are blocked such as the DOD Information Center and many others.If anyone will help counter this garbage, it will be small groups like that of PeerBlock.If you never heard of PeerBlock, check them out .. the software is free: