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Quote: Wicknight Originally Posted by While I respect a man can if he wishes choose to live as a woman (or to be more accurate an approximation of what he thinks a woman is like) I don't think that should over rule gender separation principles. she thinks a woman is like', or the utterly damning word 'choose', which reminds me of what right-wing christians like to say about homosexuality, that they 'choose' it. ugh....



no, she absolutely did not choose to be who she was, none of us choose this.



there's so much evidence today that shows that transgender women are female in a neurological sense, I don't think it even needs posting here, because out of anyone on boards, I've found atheists here some of the most knowledgeable about transsexuality, and probably some of the most trans friendly people on boards. I've seen religious arguments against transgender people being ripped to shreds by some of the posters here, so it's shocking I'd actually see this kinda thing on this forum. but a transgender woman is a woman, she's not a "man" who is making some lifestyle choice, that is who and what she is.



a transgender woman who has been on hormone replacement therapy is a woman in the physical sense too, she will have no testosterone, her musculature will be that of a woman, she will be no stronger than any other woman, her bone density will be that of a woman. I'm not going to argue if you really don't consider her a woman, but the facts are that she is in a physical sense no different to other women, no stronger, and just as fragile. transgender women are at a very high risk of rape and murder, not to mention physical and verbal assault! the woman in the article simply could not be housed in a male facility for her safety, and the fact she was sleeping rough means she felt more at risk in such a facility than on the streets, that speaks volumes.



as people have pointed out, putting transgender women in men's facilities carries severe dangers for those women, especially when they are physically no stronger than any other women, and are so incredibly vulnerable. the rape and violence that happens to trans women in men's prisons for example, is utterly horrific!



sorry if I come across as aggressive, but I would expect to find this attitude on after hours or something, not here.



and it needs saying again, we are NOT making some sort of "lifestyle choice" oh my god that is just horribly offensive! I don't even know where to begin, the disgusting misgendering, the deeply insulting and belittling use of the words 'approximation of whatthinks a woman is like', or the utterly damning word 'choose', which reminds me of what right-wing christians like to say about homosexuality, that they 'choose' it. ugh....no, she absolutely did not choose to be who she was, none of us choose this.there's so much evidence today that shows that transgender womenfemale in a neurological sense, I don't think it even needs posting here, because out of anyone on boards, I've found atheists here some of the most knowledgeable about transsexuality, and probably some of the most trans friendly people on boards. I've seen religious arguments against transgender people being ripped to shreds by some of the posters here, so it's shocking I'd actually see this kinda thing on this forum. but a transgender womana woman, she's not a "man" who is making some lifestyle choice, that is who and what she is.a transgender woman who has been on hormone replacement therapy is a woman in the physical sense too, she will have no testosterone, her musculature will be that of a woman, she will be no stronger than any other woman, her bone density will be that of a woman. I'm not going to argue if you really don't consider her a woman, but the facts are that she is in a physical sense no different to other women, no stronger, and just as fragile. transgender women are at a very high risk of rape and murder, not to mention physical and verbal assault! the woman in the article simply could not be housed in a male facility for her safety, and the fact she was sleeping rough means she felt more at risk in such a facility than on the streets, that speaks volumes.as people have pointed out, putting transgender women in men's facilities carries severe dangers for those women, especially when they are physically no stronger than any other women, and are so incredibly vulnerable. the rape and violence that happens to trans women in men's prisons for example, is utterly horrific! one of many, many examples of the sexual abuse suffered by trans women in prison . it is absolutely unconscionable that any woman should ever be housed in a men's facility, especially if she is at risk.sorry if I come across as aggressive, but I would expect to find this attitude on after hours or something, not here.and it needs saying again, we are NOT making some sort of "lifestyle choice"