

-- HOW CRIMINAL RATINGS ACTUALLY WORK --





Important Note:

This thread is not for general chatting about criminal ratings! This is an investigative/resource thread. Please do not post here unless you are participating in the investigative process or have some other reason for posting that directly relates to the specific topics within this thread. Before posting here be sure to read this whole "Main Post" that you are reading right now. If what you want to say is not directly related to this thread, please use one of the following links to find the proper thread for your discussion:



"Topic Listings"

"Criminal Rating"

"Criminal rating penalty point listings, and the cheats that incur them"

"Full Info on Criminal Ratings & Media Attention"











Introduction

I was working on raising my criminal rating one day after seeing someone ask about being a "godfather" in one of the threads of this forum. And like everyone else I started wondering what actions specifically make your criminal rating go up and down, and how much. I tried asking in a thread if anyone knew of a list of actions that make the rating change and how much. No one knew. So I spent some time looking through the other three threads in the















Main Thread Objective

The main goal of this thread is to discover through investigation how much criminal ratings go up or down due to any and all actions that cause such changes. This search is made for these facts in the hopes that it will help players achieve the highest ranking with less difficulty. After all, knowledge is power, and we all want the power to be a "Godfather" ranking....soon!



All verified criminal rating actions and their values are shown below in the "Criminal Rating Adjustment Rules/Facts" section of this main post.



















The Criminal Rating List

This list is not completely accurate yet. However, I have been unable to find a list that everyone agrees on. We need input on people's personal experience and other sources so that we can compile a factual list of the criminal ratings.

There seems to be some controversy over the exact order of these criminal rating labels as well as what criminal rating value certain labels should fall under. If you have information that is verified and is deferent from the list below, please post it here so we can update and eventually have a true list of criminal ratings.



Unverified ratings and values are shown in RED.

Verified ratings and values are shown in BLACK.





0-20 Upstanding Citizen

20-50 Nobody special

50-75 Litterer

75-100 Shoplifter

100- 125 Vandal

125-150 Do boy

150-200 Pickpocket

200-240 Clepto

240 -270 Snitch

270- 330 Rat

330-360 Leech

360-390 Scam Artist

390-420 Trickster

420-450 Numbers Runner

450-500 Hustler

500-550 Bully

550-600 Riff-Raff

600-630 Scalawag

630-660 Ruffian

660-700 Outlaw

700-850 Thug

850-1000 Drop Man

1000-1010 SA Goon

1010-1150 Goon

1150-1300 Jailbird

1300-1500 Ex-Con

1500-1700 Felon

1700-2000 Bag Man

2000-2100 Wiseguy

2100-2300 Wheelman

2300-2500 Hired Muscle

2500-2750 Hatchetman

2750-3000 Headhunter

3000-3500 Enforcer

3500 -4000 Ronin

4000-5000 Fixer

5000- 7500 Hitman

7500-10000 Associate

10000-12500 Butcher

20000-30000 Cleaner

30000-40000 Assassin

40000-50000 Consigliere

50000-65000 Made Man

65000-80000 Right-Hand Man

80000-100000 Executioner

100000-150000 Lieutenant

150000-200000 Underboss

200000-300000 Capo

300000-500000 Boss

500000- 750000 Don

750000-1000000 Kingpin

1,000,000+ Godfather



Please help to confirm these rankings so that people may have a 100% accurate list to refer to in the future!

















The Investigation Process



In order to show for sure every action that affects the criminal rating and by how much, we need to compile a list of facts that have been verified by more than one person. In order to get these facts, known as "Criminal Rating Rules", we must first find anything and everything that will change a criminal rating. Once someone finds something or has a question, post that here in the thread and it will be added to this "main post" under the Theories/Questions section below. Then we need to find the exact amount (or the formula by which the exact amount is determined) that the criminal rating adjusts for any given action.



Once these theories (shown under the "Criminal Rating Adjustment Theories/Questions" section) are verified by more than one person , they will be listed under the "Criminal Rating Adjustment Rules/Facts" section below as facts. As we compile all of the "rules", people will be better able to see exactly how a criminal rating operates.



Go out into Vice City and try to find everything that changes your Criminal Rating!









Criminal Rating Adjustment Threories/Questions:

These issues need to be answered and/or verified.





1) Does simply destroying property raise or lower the rating?



2) Will destroying certain vehicles (besides the skimmer and helicopters) add or subtract from your criminal rating? How about a tank, boat, Securicar, etc. ?



3) We know that each human killed counts as one point after using a "Pay-N-Spray" or saving a game, but is this always true? I noticed once after killing everyone in the Malibu Club that my rating had actually dropped before I left the club! Why does that happen, what is the rule for killing pedestrians, cops, gangsters, etc. ?



4) We know that certain cheats reduce the criminal rating: quote The Stinger

PENALTY CHEATS

ANY Vehicle spawn cheats will cost you 999 points.

Dodo car cheat -999 points

Perfect Handling -999 points

Ped riot/Ped hate you -1000 points

Are these the only cheats that reduce the rating, or are there others? Also, we need someone to verify these values for rating reductions due to cheat codes before they can be posted in the "Rules/Facts" list.



5) Does "Media Attention" change the criminal rating?



6) Do game missions or side-missions themselves(firetruck, ambulance, pizza delivery, etc.) directly change the criminal rating? If so, how much?



*note* I started a new game and without killing anyone immediately did the "Cone Crazy" mission. After completing the mission successfully, I noticed I had gone from 0-6 criminal points. Does this mean that all side missions and/or game missions give 6 points for completion? Verification is needed here please.



7) Does completion of all the story missions increase your rating? How about when 100% of the game is completed? If so, by how much will the criminal rating go up for either of those actions?



8) I noticed when I started a new game that the criminal rating jumped around a bunch for what seemed at first to be no apparent reason. After a little closer examination (taking out variables in gameplay to narrow down what was causing the changes) it looks like the shooting accuracy directly affects the criminal rating. I investigated it further and I am 80% sure that for every 1% of accuracy you get 5 CR points. Can someone please try to verify this and post what you find out?



9) ???





Do you have a question reguarding how the criminal rating changes? Do you have a theory that you think should be verified and put into the facts list shown below? Post it here and it will be added to this section so that it can be investigated by your fellow neoseekers. Thank you everyone for your help!









Criminal Rating Adjustment Rules/Facts:

This is a verified list of what actions change the criminal rating, and by how much.





Negative Adjustments

1) Getting "BUSTED" or "WASTED" subtracts 3 criminal rating points from your score.



2) Every $5000 spent subtracts 1 CR point from your score.



3) ???





Positive Adjustments

1) Any helicopter that blows up in the game adds 30 points to your score. This includes everything from computer-controlled police helicopters to the helicopter you are flying at the time it explodes...even if you die with it!



2) Just like above, destroying a Skimmer adds 30 points to your CR score.



3) Every $5000 earned adds 1 point to your score.



4) ???





This list of criminal rating adjustment facts is still far from being complete. Please help Neoseeker be the first site on the block to solve the mystery of the Criminal Rating!!!



















Reference Material From Other Sources



This is a log of useful information found in other places. If you know of relevant information that could add to this log, quote the source and post it here in this thread so it can be added to this main post.



quote The Stinger, "Criminal rating penalty point listings, and the cheats that incur them" thread





SAFE CHEATS



All Weapons codes are safe, they drop you no points

Full Armor is safe

Full Health is safe

Ladies man is safe

All skin cheats are safe (change into other characters)

Car color changes are safe (Pink or Black)

Destroy Cars is safe

Speed up/Slow down time cheats are safe

Aggressive Drivers is a safe code





PENALTY CHEATS

ANY Vehicle spawn cheats will cost you 999 points.

Dodo car cheat -999 points

Perfect Handling -999 points

Ped riot/Ped hate you -1000 points





I was experimenting with these and these are the only ones that dropped the criminal rating at all. I have not gotten everything done, so I do not know if it will affect the 100% completion or not. Personally, I doubt it. Criminal rating would just show that you are a cheater, and you will have to work to get a great rating.



And for those of you who like the cheats, you can rest easy using the ones listed as safe, as in several tests they showed no ill effects towards criminal rating.



Hope this helps.

Okay, we all know that your criminal rating will drop if you cheat, but only a few cheats will drop it. Some are perfectly safe.All Weapons codes are safe, they drop you no pointsFull Armor is safeFull Health is safeLadies man is safeAll skin cheats are safe (change into other characters)Car color changes are safe (Pink or Black)Destroy Cars is safeSpeed up/Slow down time cheats are safeAggressive Drivers is a safe codeANY Vehicle spawn cheats will cost you 999 points.Dodo car cheat -999 pointsPerfect Handling -999 pointsPed riot/Ped hate you -1000 pointsI was experimenting with these and these are the only ones that dropped the criminal rating at all. I have not gotten everything done, so I do not know if it will affect the 100% completion or not. Personally, I doubt it. Criminal rating would just show that you are a cheater, and you will have to work to get a great rating.And for those of you who like the cheats, you can rest easy using the ones listed as safe, as in several tests they showed no ill effects towards criminal rating.Hope this helps. This message was edited by Coognut on Aug 16 2003. This thread is not for general chatting about criminal ratings! This is an investigative/resource thread. Please do not post here unless you are participating in the investigative process or have some other reason for posting that directly relates to the specific topics within this thread. Before posting here be sure to read this whole "Main Post" that you are reading right now. If what you want to say is not directly related to this thread, please use one of the following links to find the proper thread for your discussion:I was working on raising my criminal rating one day after seeing someone ask about being a "godfather" in one of the threads of this forum. And like everyone else I started wondering what actions specifically make your criminal rating go up and down, and how much. I tried asking in a thread if anyone knew of a list of actions that make the rating change and how much. No one knew. So I spent some time looking through the other three threads in the Topic Listings that talk about the criminal rating for my answer...with no luck. Aparently no one on Neoseeker has found out yet all the specific values certain actions hold for a criminal rating. That is why this thread is here, to find these answers and list them for others to use in their quest to become the highest ranking of them all: "Godfather".The main goal of this thread is to discover through investigation how much criminal ratings go up or down due to any and all actions that cause such changes. This search is made for these facts in the hopes that it will help players achieve the highest ranking with less difficulty. After all, knowledge is power, and we all want the power to be a "Godfather" ranking....soon!This list is not completely accurate yet. However, I have been unable to find a list that everyone agrees on. We need input on people's personal experience and other sources so that we can compile a factual list of the criminal ratings.There seems to be some controversy over the exact order of these criminal rating labels as well as what criminal rating value certain labels should fall under. If you have information that is verified and is deferent from the list below, please post it here so we can update and eventually have a true list of criminal ratings.Verified ratings and values are shown inPlease help to confirm these rankings so that people may have a 100% accurate list to refer to in the future!In order to show for sure every action that affects the criminal rating and by how much, we need to compile a list of facts that have been verified by more than one person. In order to get these facts, known as "Criminal Rating Rules", we must first find anything and everything that will change a criminal rating. Once someone finds something or has a question, post that here in the thread and it will be added to this "main post" under thesection below. Then we need to find the exact amount (or the formula by which the exact amount is determined) that the criminal rating adjusts for any given action.Once these theories (shown under thesection) are verified by, they will be listed under thesection below as facts. As we compile all of the "rules", people will be better able to see exactly how a criminal rating operates.These issues need to be answered and/or verified.Does simply destroying property raise or lower the rating?Will destroying certain vehicles (besides the skimmer and helicopters) addsubtract from your criminal rating? How about a tank, boat, Securicar, etc. ?We know that each human killed counts as one point after using a "Pay-N-Spray" or saving a game, but is thistrue? I noticed once after killing everyone in the Malibu Club that my rating had actually dropped before I left the club! Why does that happen, what is the rule for killing pedestrians, cops, gangsters, etc. ?We know that certain cheats reduce the criminal rating:Are these the only cheats that reduce the rating, or are there others? Also, we need someone to verify these values for rating reductions due to cheat codes before they can be posted in the "Rules/Facts" list.Does "Media Attention" change the criminal rating?Do game missions or side-missions themselves(firetruck, ambulance, pizza delivery, etc.) directly change the criminal rating? If so, how much?*note* I started a new game and without killing anyone immediately did the "Cone Crazy" mission. After completing the mission successfully, I noticed I had gone from 0-6 criminal points. Does this mean that all side missions and/or game missions give 6 points for completion? Verification is needed here please.Does completion of all the story missions increase your rating? How about when 100% of the game is completed? If so, by how much will the criminal rating go up for either of those actions?I noticed when I started a new game that the criminal rating jumped around a bunch for what seemed at first to be no apparent reason. After a little closer examination (taking out variables in gameplay to narrow down what was causing the changes) it looks like the shooting accuracy directly affects the criminal rating. I investigated it further and I am 80% sure that for every 1% of accuracy you get 5 CR points. Can someone please try to verify this and post what you find out????This is alist of what actions change the criminal rating, and by how much.Getting "BUSTED" or "WASTED" subtracts 3 criminal rating points from your score.Every $5000 spent subtracts 1 CR point from your score.???helicopter that blows up in the game adds 30 points to your score. This includes everything from computer-controlled police helicopters to the helicopter you are flying at the time it explodes...even if you die with it!Just like above, destroying a Skimmer adds 30 points to your CR score.Every $5000 earned adds 1 point to your score.???This is a log of useful information found in other places. If you know of relevant information that could add to this log, quote the source and post it here in this thread so it can be added to this main post.



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