Fresh off his admission the Trump campaign may have colluded with Russia, Rudy Giuliani potentially validated claims the President of the United States suborned perjury from fixer Michael Cohen. Giuliani admitted on CNN’s State of the Union that it was possible Donald Trump and Michael Cohen discussed his testimony prior to Congress, adding “So what if he talked to him about it?”

Giuliani was addressing bombshell allegations from BuzzFeed that Trump counseled Cohen to lie about the timeline of a Trump Tower Moscow project during the 2016 campaign, a report that special counsel Robert Mueller subsequently categorized as “not accurate.” Speaking with Jake Tapper on Sunday, Giuliani repeated his assertion that “As far as I know, President Trump did not have discussions with [Cohen]," before clarifying "Certainly, no discussions with him in which he told him or counseled him to lie.”

Nonetheless, he described a hypothetical discussion between Cohen and Trump as “perfectly normal . . . which the President believed was true.” Pressed by Tapper, Giuliani added “And so what if he talked to him about it? If it’s the truth?”

Immediately after, Giuliani said it was “not possible” Trump influenced Cohen’s testimony, declaring “The guy driving this testimony was Michael Cohen.” Earlier in the day, Giuliani told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press he was “100 percent certain” Trump never directed Cohen to lie. “I can tell you his counsel to Michael Cohen throughout that entire period was, ‘Tell the truth.’ We thought he was telling the truth,” he said. “I still believe he may have been telling the truth when he testified before Congress.”

BuzzFeed continued to stand by its report, noting that Mueller’s rebuttal didn’t clarify which aspect of its allegations were inaccurate. The report also claimed Cohen briefed Trump—as well as children Don Jr. and Ivanka—repeatedly about the state of a potential Trump Tower deal for Moscow.

For his part, Giuliani also used the Sunday rounds to walk back comments about potential Russian collusion with Trump’s campaign. “I represent the president,” he told Todd. “I know his knowledge [from] directly talking to him. And I'm in a strange position of having been intimately involved in a large part of the campaign. I know what I know from that: no Russian collusion. But how do I know if somebody — I mean, like when [George] Papadopoulos came along, there was a big furor about how he might have been colluding with the Russians, turned out that he wasn't. At the time that that came up I wouldn't have known if he was or he wasn't.”

Correction: A previous version of this article misidentified the anchor who conducted the interview.

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