Trchri



Crustacean



Crustacean on: 12-20-2004 20:33 » 12-20-2004 20:33 » I've been crunching some numbers to figure out how much of each metal Bender is. I've come up with the following conclusions.



First of all, we all know the impossible percentages that we are told of Bender:



40% Zinc - Fry and the Slurm Factory

40% Titanium - A Head in the Polls

30% Iron - 30% Iron Chef

40% Dolemite - Jurassic Bark

.04% Nickel impurity - A Pharaoh to Remember



Obviously, these numbers add up to more than 100. So, I reasoned "if all those percentages add up to all of Bender, then if 150.04 were set to equal 100, and all of the other percentages proportionatly changed as well, it would stil be correct." This is the limb I went out on for the rest of my findings. So long as that fact is accepted, the rest of my little hypothesis is acurate.



With these new scaled-down percentages, and using the weight of 525 obtained from when Bender was in the Ultimate Robot Fighting League, one can come up with these numbers:



139 lbs 15.52 oz of Zinc

139 lbs 15.52 oz of Titanium

104 lbs 15.2 oz of Iron

139 lbs 15.52 oz of Dolemite

2.24 oz of Nickel



Tell me what you think. Professor! Lava! Hot!

Bender-is-Great



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #2 on: 12-20-2004 23:05 »

« Last Edit on: 12-20-2004 23:05 » 12-20-2004 23:05 »12-20-2004 23:05 » Quote Originally posted by Guineapig Trick:

I think you've too much time on your hands.

Yeah, but who doesn't?



That's some pretty neat calculations there Trchri. Never really saw it that way.



Here's a link to the PEEL FAQ if you're up to a bit of reading:

http://www.thefryhole.co.uk/peelfaq.php



Oh, and as our fellow PEELer GermanyFryFan would say, "Welcome to Nerdworld and enjoy your stay." Yeah, but who doesn't?That's some pretty neat calculations there Trchri. Never really saw it that way.Here's a link to the PEEL FAQ if you're up to a bit of reading:Oh, and as our fellow PEELer GermanyFryFan would say, "Welcome to Nerdworld and enjoy your stay." If ignorance if bliss, you'd think more people would be happy when you tell them they're an idiot!

Zombiesaurus



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #4 on: 12-21-2004 11:47 »

« Last Edit on: 12-21-2004 11:47 » 12-21-2004 11:47 »12-21-2004 11:47 » Okay dude, now work it out in weight:

Bender is 525lbs, so what's the individual weights of each component metal?

hobojobo



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #5 on: 12-21-2004 12:06 » 12-21-2004 12:06 » Quote Originally posted by ZombieSaurus:

Okay dude, now work it out in weight:

Bender is 525lbs, so what's the individual weights of each component metal?

Uh, did you even bother to read the whole post? He already did exactly what you said. Uh, did you even bother to read the whole post? He already did exactly what you said.

Zombiesaurus



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #6 on: 12-21-2004 12:16 » 12-21-2004 12:16 » Oh yeah.

No i didn't, otherwise I probably wouldn't have asked the question.

Trchri



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #7 on: 12-21-2004 23:47 » 12-21-2004 23:47 » Okay, I appologize to the ones who followed me so diligently. I have a confession to make: the impurity would not be added to the total, it would be part of the total. He'd be .04% nickel, and 99.96% everything else. A small detail, but if I'm gonna be so precise, I gotta go all the way.



The new figures look like this:



39.99% Zinc

39.99% Titanium

29.99% Iron

39.99% Dolemite

00.04% Nickel Impurity



Now it works. Luckily it was a percent that could easily be spread amongst the other percentages. Now, the proportion is using 150% and these new percentages. Here's the new weights:



139 lbs 15.44 ounce Zinc

139 lbs 15.44 ounce Titanium

104 lbs 15.44 ounce Iron

139 lbs 15.44 ounce Dolemite

2.239 ounce Nickel



Sorry for overlooking that.



I hereby approve these new numbers. Professor! Lava! Hot!

Zoidberg227



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #8 on: 12-22-2004 01:17 »

« Last Edit on: 12-22-2004 01:17 » 12-22-2004 01:17 »12-22-2004 01:17 » I calculated Bender's monetary value once, using his claimed weight and body compositions. Though I didn't reset any values to 100% ... I did weights at 40%, or 30% of 525 lbs ... yeilding a weight much more than what Bender claimed (edit: apparently what you did in your last post ... I should pay more attention). I calculated the individual values based on weight, and came up with a hefty sum ... several million of which came from the dolomite. I'll have to try and find that for you.

Zombiesaurus



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #9 on: 12-22-2004 07:40 »

« Last Edit on: 12-22-2004 07:40 » 12-22-2004 07:40 »12-22-2004 07:40 »





Hold on. I just twigged.

They inceased the speed of light in the future.

Perhaps they increase the maximum percentage of something too? 130% as maximum, maybe? But he didn't get too much cash when he hocked his body. Not enough to warrant a monocle, in my opinion.Hold on. I just twigged.They inceased the speed of light in the future.Perhaps they increase the maximum percentage of something too? 130% as maximum, maybe?

Zmithy



Professor



Professor Reply #10 on: 12-22-2004 19:49 » 12-22-2004 19:49 » It could always be explained away by Bender 'buying' replacement body parts occasionally, or getting repaired with different materials whenever he gets mauled.



Would it be possible to work out how much Bender sold his body for by finding out the current market value of titanium, getting a framegrab of the titanium price-rocket graph, looking at how much the value hikes up, comparing the figures then doing all sorts of confusing crap to come up with the final amount?

Zoidberg227



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #11 on: 12-22-2004 20:49 » 12-22-2004 20:49 » might (emphasis on 'might') be able to extrapolate the predicted supply and demand changes based on its usage since its discovery 213 years ago, assuming the most commonly used alloy. By the way, its value according to No. Why? Because I said so. Also, because I don't think the graph had numbers, just grids and lines. Besides, who knows what the value of titanium will be in 1000 years? It's a variable market, especially in terms of scrap metal. I suppose you(emphasis on 'might') be able to extrapolate the predicted supply and demand changes based on its usage since its discovery 213 years ago, assuming the most commonly used alloy. By the way, its value according to here is about $100 US per pound of powder, 99.95% purity.

David A



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #12 on: 12-23-2004 14:23 » 12-23-2004 14:23 » Quote Originally posted by Trchri:

So, I reasoned "if all those percentages add up to all of Bender...

I'm sure that if Futurama had continued, Bender would probably have claimed to be composed of many other metals as well.



Quote Originally posted by Zombiesaurus:

They inceased the speed of light in the future.

Perhaps they increase the maximum percentage of something too? 130% as maximum, maybe?

No, because by definition it wouldn't be a percentage then. I'm sure that ifhad continued, Bender would probably have claimed to be composed of many other metals as well.No, because by definition it wouldn't be a percentage then.

Trchri



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #13 on: 12-23-2004 15:16 »

« Last Edit on: 12-23-2004 15:16 » 12-23-2004 15:16 »12-23-2004 15:16 » Quote Originally posted by Zoidberg227:

I suppose you might (emphasis on 'might') be able to extrapolate the predicted supply and demand changes based on its usage since its discovery 213 years ago, assuming the most commonly used alloy.

Not hardly; using the past 213 years to extrapolate the next thousand would not be very accurate. The titanium mine was on Saturn's moon of Titan, a place we've yet to begin mining. I guess, you could figure out how much titanium there is on the moon, then figure out how low our supply had to be before we started looking for more sources, then extrapolate from there. It could be done, but it would be a very vauge conclusion. Not hardly; using the past 213 years to extrapolate the next thousand would not be very accurate. The titanium mine was on Saturn's moon of Titan, a place we've yet to begin mining. I guess, you could figure out how much titanium there is on the moon, then figure out how low our supply had to be before we started looking for more sources, then extrapolate from there. It could be done, but it would be a very vauge conclusion. Professor! Lava! Hot!

Teral



Helpy McHelphelp

DOOP Secretary



DOOP Secretary Reply #14 on: 12-23-2004 19:06 » 12-23-2004 19:06 » Particularly considering we don't even known if there is any titanium on Titan, since the joke was an obviously play on the similarity of Titan and titanium.

Wooter



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #15 on: 12-23-2004 19:28 »

« Last Edit on: 12-23-2004 19:28 » 12-23-2004 19:28 »12-23-2004 19:28 » Obviously there's tianium on Titan. Why else would they build a titanium mine there? Duh...

Soidberg



Poppler



Poppler Reply #16 on: 12-23-2004 20:21 » 12-23-2004 20:21 » Quote Originally posted by Trchri:

Okay, I appologize to the ones who followed me so diligently. I have a confession to make: the impurity would not be added to the total, it would be part of the total. He'd be .04% nickel, and 99.96% everything else. A small detail, but if I'm gonna be so precise, I gotta go all the way.



The new figures look like this:



39.99% Zinc

39.99% Titanium

29.99% Iron

39.99% Dolemite

00.04% Nickel Impurity



Now it works. Luckily it was a percent that could easily be spread amongst the other percentages. Now, the proportion is using 150% and these new percentages. Here's the new weights:



139 lbs 15.44 ounce Zinc

139 lbs 15.44 ounce Titanium

104 lbs 15.44 ounce Iron

139 lbs 15.44 ounce Dolemite

2.239 ounce Nickel



Sorry for overlooking that.



I hereby approve these new numbers.



the weight of the different types of metal is

all wrong!!!!

You have detrminated the weight of the different metals just from the procentual value. The metals has Still has different density!



the weight of the different types of metal isall wrong!!!!You have detrminated the weight of the different metals just from the procentual value. The metals has Still has different density!

Teral



Helpy McHelphelp

DOOP Secretary



DOOP Secretary Reply #17 on: 12-23-2004 20:48 »

« Last Edit on: 12-23-2004 20:48 » 12-23-2004 20:48 »12-23-2004 20:48 »



Quote Originally posted by Wooter:

Obviously there's tianium on Titan. Why else would they build a titanium mine there? Duh... Obviously there's tianium on Titan. Why else would they build a titanium mine there? Duh...

Since this discussion is rooted in real-life facts (market value of titanium alloy, historic data regarding demand and supply, etc), I'm using real-life data on Titan. Currently we don't really know exactly what elements Titan is made of until the Cassini-Huygens mission unfolds. The most widely supported theory suggest Titan is comprised of primarily hydro-carbons, with lakes of fluid methane.



So there. Technically Bender never stated if the numbers he cited was volume or weight. I'd say it's up for interpretation.Since this discussion is rooted in real-life facts (market value of titanium alloy, historic data regarding demand and supply, etc), I'm using real-life data on Titan. Currently we don't really know exactly what elements Titan is made of until the Cassini-Huygens mission unfolds. The most widely supported theory suggest Titan is comprised of primarily hydro-carbons, with lakes of fluid methane.So there.

Zoidberg227



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #18 on: 12-23-2004 21:30 » 12-23-2004 21:30 » Quote Originally posted by Soidberg:

the weight of the different types of metal is

all wrong!!!!

You have detrminated the weight of the different metals just from the procentual value. The metals has Still has different density!





No, he just assumed weight-percent, like I did when I did the calculations once. It would be downright impossible to figure out those numbers on volume-percent. No, he just assumed weight-percent, like I did when I did the calculations once. It would be downright impossible to figure out those numbers on volume-percent.

cujoe169





Starship Captain Reply #19 on: 12-28-2004 19:58 » 12-28-2004 19:58 » according to the professor, dolomite is that "dark hard radioactive material, that doesn't give out when the heat is on" if i am correct... i think were all forgetting that radioactive material decays over time... so lets stop arguing about his weight, and accept the fact that his weight will fluctuate and decrease over time

Zoidberg227



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #20 on: 12-29-2004 03:46 » 12-29-2004 03:46 » The Professer never claimed dolomite to be radioactive ... nor IS dolomite radioactive. So that will have no effect on it. And as you may or may not know, when radioactive materials decay, they decay into other materials, so weight loss is negligible.

Trchri



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #22 on: 03-14-2005 00:18 » 03-14-2005 00:18 » okay, okay

I've looked high and low and found the densities for these metals. I'm going to post them here so that I don't forget them. I'll do the calculations once I remember how to do them.



Here they are (in kg/m^3):



Zinc - 7140

Titanium - 4507

Iron - 7874

Dolomite - 6135

Nickel - 8908



Dolomite was tough because it's composed of 45.65% MgCO3 with a density of 3250, and 54.35% CaCO3 with a density of 2800. After that math, I'm ready for bed.



I'll be back soon with the final figures... wish me luck.

Dr.Jerkbird



Starship Captain



Starship Captain Reply #23 on: 03-14-2005 01:51 » 03-14-2005 01:51 » I would like to say well done for working all that out, i think i understand. Anywho, Bravo!

Denton



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #25 on: 03-14-2005 02:52 » 03-14-2005 02:52 » nice maths cals



nice maths cals -Oooh A lesson in not changing history from Mr. I'm-my-own-grandpa! Let's get the hell out of here already. Screw history!-

smision



Starship Captain



Starship Captain Reply #26 on: 03-14-2005 03:04 » 03-14-2005 03:04 » I think Zmithy makes a good point about Bender getting replacement body parts made of different metals so that his metal composition would change over time. It's not like he stated all those metal composition percentages of his body at the same time. They probably would have changed over time when he had parts replacements. Saying this of course I am not in any way qualified to even understand what I just said.

killbot4000



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #27 on: 03-14-2005 21:53 » 03-14-2005 21:53 » Trchri nice that might of took long to add u put a lot a work in it.

Unknown



Starship Captain



Starship Captain Reply #28 on: 03-15-2005 16:41 » 03-15-2005 16:41 » I hope you haven't gotten too far, because I think your density for dolomite may be wrong. Given the proportions and density of its components you listed, I got 3005.425 for the total density.

chay´s head



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #29 on: 03-23-2005 06:14 » 03-23-2005 06:14 » wow, this thread is getting really deep and technical........did i ever tell you i like stamps?

Pikka Bird



Space Pope



Space Pope Reply #30 on: 04-20-2005 09:13 » 04-20-2005 09:13 » You're in for some serious math if you're going to figure out the volume amounts of metal in Bender...



Also, I don't necessarily think the "replacement parts" theory is all that plausible. Momcorp has mom-opolized the robot industry, right? Then they're probably also manufacturing all the spare parts, right? At least, they are letting others manufacture them under license, and a license requires strict quality control. I think a completely different use of metals would make them fail such a quality test. Therefore I think that all spare parts for robots are made of the same material as the fresh-from-factory ones (except maybe for flashy, snazzy, lightweight carbon parts).

fryfan001



Delivery Boy



Delivery Boy Reply #31 on: 06-17-2005 12:06 » 06-17-2005 12:06 » Can we assume that he is more than just those metals becasuehe reacts with chlorine? (Crimes of the Hot) I'm not much of a chemist, but I know that certain elements react with others in unique ways according to where they are on the chart. (or something like that)

Frybot 5000



Delivery Boy



Delivery Boy Reply #33 on: 06-28-2005 06:31 » 06-28-2005 06:31 » I hope the creators of Futurama are looking at this thread right now, so they get a pretty accurate depiction of their fanatical fanbase. 'Cuz in some way, shape, or form, this thread has got to be something to be proud of.

KurtPikachu2001



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #34 on: 06-29-2005 16:34 » 06-29-2005 16:34 » Bender is made of so many metals, it's no wonder he could swim in lava.

Nanmo



Bending Unit



Bending Unit Reply #35 on: 06-29-2005 19:46 » 06-29-2005 19:46 » He can swim in Lava thanks to the Dolemite.

tyraniak



Urban Legend



Urban Legend Reply #37 on: 08-08-2005 18:03 » 08-08-2005 18:03 » There are either three reasons for this scenario



1. An honest continuity mistake made by writers

2. An intentional continuity mistake to screw with loyal fans

3. Possibly bender is fickle about his metalic composition and has frequent touch ups.



If number 3 is the case, they should make a note of it in the movie

Generic Zombie



Crustacean



Crustacean Reply #38 on: 08-29-2005 12:35 » 08-29-2005 12:35 » He just blows up alot, gets replacement parts that changwe how muh metal he ha in him