On October 19, 1975, the Cincinnati Bengals beat the Oakland Raiders, 14-10. They did not get any help from their quarterback. Ken Anderson, generally one of the best at his position in the 1970s and early 1980s, fell off his perch in this one, completing just four of 19 passes for 75 yards, no touchdowns, and four interceptions.

His passer rating in this “win?” 3.9.

One of the reasons the Bengals were able to win was the, um, efforts of Raiders quarterback Ken Stabler, a deserving Hall of Famer. But not on this day. Stabler completed just eight of 24 passes for 113 yards, no touchdowns, four picks, and a passer rating of 9.9. This game was perhaps the worst in NFL history between one quarterback who’s in Canton and another who deserves to be.

Here’s the question: Does Anderson deserve a quarterback win added to his statistical toolbox for this debacle? Of course he doesn’t. The quarterback win is misrepresentative at best and downright dishonest at worst. Football is a team game, obviously. Everyone contributes to glory or embarrassment, and to put the “win” on one player is ridiculous.

To turn the quarterback win thing on its head, let’s look at the case of Eli Manning against the New Orleans Saints on Nov. 1, 2015. In that game, Manning completed 30 of 41 passes for 351 yards, six touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating of 138.2. But Manning lost, primarily because Drew Brees threw seven touchdown passes to Manning’s six in a 52-49 barnburner decided by a New Orleans field goal as time expired. Is that Manning’s fault? Does he deserve a loss in his win-loss column? Of course he doesn’t, because quarterbacks shouldn’t have a win-loss column in the first place. But there it is, perhaps the best loss by a quarterback in NFL history.

If you’re still not convinced, I give you the 11 worst winning performances by quarterbacks of the new millennium — where a team’s quarterback was dragged kicking and screaming to success and somehow wobbled away with a victory. In each of these games, the quarterback in question was the starter and had at least 15 passing attempts.