Vampire Weekend’s Ezra Koenig dedicated the latest episode of his Beats 1 show “Time Crisis” to Tom Petty. Throughout the episode, he and painter Jake Longstreth discuss Petty’s life and work. There’s a long discussion of the song “Free Fallin’,” which Koenig cites as his favorite song. He parses out the meaning of freedom, and offers one way to interpret Petty’s classic hit: “He’s talking about life being in free fall,” Koenig says. “It’s harsh.” Listen to the entire episode here.

Koenig and Longstreth also talk about Vampire Weekend’s various attempts at covering Petty songs, whether or not Petty could be considered “frat rock,” how Petty’s highest charting song was his Stevie Nicks collaboration “Stop Draggin’ My Heart Around,” and more. Lastly, they play out a fictitious argument between Petty and Don Henley.

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