Jayp Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Argentina 116 Posts Last Edited: 2013-02-02 05:59:14 #1

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Ever since CSN, and Playhem stopped doing their tournaments, and for the most part so has Z33k, I felt like there was this big hole left in the community in terms of there being no grass roots type of tournament, where amateurs have a possibility to get prizes and such.



There's a potential league that's interested and had a test run, but they want to get a grasp of what the community wants.



So here are some questions!



Poll: Would you be interested in Daily / Weekly tournaments



Yes (84)

89%



No (10)

11%



94 total votes (84)89%(10)11%94 total votes Your vote: Would you be interested in Daily / Weekly tournaments (Vote): Yes

(Vote): No





Here's one that potentially may raise a few issue's but again it's to gauge interest.



Poll: Would you be willing to pay to play?



No (55)

72%



Yes (21)

28%



76 total votes (55)72%(21)28%76 total votes Your vote: Would you be willing to pay to play? (Vote): Yes

(Vote): No





I know most leagues are free, but if it grew the prize pool would you pay? Please keep in mind that there will be two strictly enforced divisions (Pro, and Amateurs)



Poll: How much would you be willing to pay?



I don't want to pay (58)

83%



$5 (11)

16%



$20 (1)

1%



$10 (0)

0%



$15 (0)

0%



70 total votes (58)83%(11)16%(1)1%(0)0%(0)0%70 total votes Your vote: How much would you be willing to pay? (Vote): I don't want to pay

(Vote): $5

(Vote): $10

(Vote): $15

(Vote): $20





If you wanted a type of tournament what would it be?



Poll: What type of tournament would you rather get?



Both Daily and Weekly (26)

33%



Weekly (25)

32%



Daily (11)

14%



All three (10)

13%



Monthly (3)

4%



Both Weekly and Monthly (2)

3%



Both Daily and Monthly (2)

3%



79 total votes (26)33%(25)32%(11)14%(10)13%(3)4%(2)3%(2)3%79 total votes Your vote: What type of tournament would you rather get? (Vote): Daily

(Vote): Weekly

(Vote): Monthly

(Vote): Both Daily and Weekly

(Vote): Both Weekly and Monthly

(Vote): Both Daily and Monthly

(Vote): All three





Thanks for the feedback, let me know if you guys have questions!



Hello everyone!It's me John_Perd again! For those of you wondering who I am, I used to be the StarCraft 2 Event Manager over at Cyber Sports Network (CSN). We used to do weekly invite tournaments (Rundown) with cash prizes of $100 for first place, and as well as amateur cups (New School Mondays) where it was a prize pool of $125 and the prizes were distributed from 1st to 4th place.Ever since CSN, and Playhem stopped doing their tournaments, and for the most part so has Z33k, I felt like there was this big hole left in the community in terms of there being no grass roots type of tournament, where amateurs have a possibility to get prizes and such.There's a potential league that's interested and had a test run, but they want to get a grasp of what the community wants.So here are some questions!Here's one that potentially may raise a few issue's but again it's to gauge interest.I know most leagues are free,? Please keep in mind that there will be two strictly enforced divisions (Pro, and Amateurs)If you wanted a type of tournament what would it be?Thanks for the feedback, let me know if you guys have questions!

zhurai Profile Blog Joined September 2010 United States 5645 Posts #2 is this for like amateur/non pros but masters level



or just in general like the lower leagued ones that playhem had Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com

ChadMann Profile Joined March 2011 Australia 127 Posts Last Edited: 2013-02-02 06:27:45 #3 Sell the benefits of what Paying will result in before asking. Like.. if I pay $5 and the prize pool doesn't go up and its just cash for the league then no.. but if its put into prize pool or other scene development then I'd be interested.



Edit: Every cent goes to the prize pool?.. clarifying that.



I think it would be better to have both forms of tournaments. #1 ANZ SC2 Team Manager https://twitter.com/ChadMannSC2

DusTerr Profile Blog Joined January 2011 2519 Posts #4 for the last poll I'd actually want bi-weekly and monthly (or larger every 2 months that's for winners only etc).

Jayp Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Argentina 116 Posts Last Edited: 2013-02-02 05:58:48 #5 On February 02 2013 14:54 zhurai wrote:

is this for like amateur/non pros but masters level



or just in general like the lower leagued ones that playhem had





I stipulate pro's as such; people on recognized professional gaming teams (AKA receive salary)



Amateur division may be split into different tiers.



I stipulate pro's as such; people on recognized professional gaming teams (AKA receive salary)Amateur division may be split into different tiers. On February 02 2013 14:55 ChadMann wrote:

Sell the benefits of what Paying will result in before asking. Like.. if I pay $5 and the prize pool doesn't go up and its just cash for the league then no.. but if its put into prize pool or other scene development then I'd be interested.



It's not cash for the league, I do say if it grew the prize pool would you pay.

It's not cash for the league, I do say if it grew the prize pool would you pay.

Samsc2 Profile Joined January 2012 United States 645 Posts #6 Sounds like a good idea! I LieK Turtles

jcroisdale Profile Blog Joined October 2010 United States 1540 Posts #7 a weekly 256 man tourny running on sundays, with a 500 dollar prize pool would probably gather a good amount of views. "I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis

KiF1rE Profile Blog Joined November 2009 United States 964 Posts Last Edited: 2013-02-02 07:21:41 #8 On February 02 2013 14:56 Jayp wrote:

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On February 02 2013 14:54 zhurai wrote:

is this for like amateur/non pros but masters level



or just in general like the lower leagued ones that playhem had





I stipulate pro's as such; people on recognized professional gaming teams (AKA receive salary)



Amateur division may be split into different tiers.



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On February 02 2013 14:55 ChadMann wrote:

Sell the benefits of what Paying will result in before asking. Like.. if I pay $5 and the prize pool doesn't go up and its just cash for the league then no.. but if its put into prize pool or other scene development then I'd be interested.



It's not cash for the league, I do say if it grew the prize pool would you pay.

I stipulate pro's as such; people on recognized professional gaming teams (AKA receive salary)Amateur division may be split into different tiers.It's not cash for the league, I do say if it grew the prize pool would you pay.



i dunno im always skeptical of the whole pro/am line, just because we dont have a solid definition and its up for interpretation. As for example you have code S koreans without a team, Some pro teams dont pay all their players a salary, its just kind of meh where to draw the line, like IPL's for example im considered pro despite being teamless and unknown. But then from my personal preference I would always love playing the strongest players possible. =/



but as far as playing yes, As far as paying thats a good question.... Paying is a difficult subject being is that I wouldnt really want to pay any large sum of money to play top tier koreans with no chance of winning any of it back. Considering there wouldnt be any prestige or recognition in it. or if the incentive isnt there, it flops massively like some other pay tournaments thats happened in the scene before, 5$ entry fee and 4 people showed up. but then MLG could run a $10 qualifier and have the world. Alot of it seems based on interest and whats the potential return. i dunno im always skeptical of the whole pro/am line, just because we dont have a solid definition and its up for interpretation. As for example you have code S koreans without a team, Some pro teams dont pay all their players a salary, its just kind of meh where to draw the line, like IPL's for example im considered pro despite being teamless and unknown. But then from my personal preference I would always love playing the strongest players possible. =/but as far as playing yes, As far as paying thats a good question.... Paying is a difficult subject being is that I wouldnt really want to pay any large sum of money to play top tier koreans with no chance of winning any of it back. Considering there wouldnt be any prestige or recognition in it. or if the incentive isnt there, it flops massively like some other pay tournaments thats happened in the scene before, 5$ entry fee and 4 people showed up. but then MLG could run a $10 qualifier and have the world. Alot of it seems based on interest and whats the potential return.

Jayp Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Argentina 116 Posts #9 On February 02 2013 16:20 KiF1rE wrote:



but as far as playing yes, As far as paying thats a good question.... Paying is a difficult subject being is that I wouldnt really want to pay any large sum of money to play top tier koreans with no chance of winning any of it back. Considering there wouldnt be any prestige or recognition in it. or if the incentive isnt there, it flops massively like some other pay tournaments thats happened in the scene before, 5$ entry fee and 4 people showed up. but then MLG could run a $10 qualifier and have the world. Alot of it seems based on interest and whats the potential return.



Well the paying part is really the tricky part as you say. We're not MLG by any means right now, but have a few really successful runs then who knows.



These tournaments are there so players have something to do.



It's happened before, I have had paid tournaments where only 15~ people show up, then the free tournaments I get 60-120 players. It's random.



What I can say I'll try to cater to the community as much as possible. So far it's obvious that people want a regular tournament series. Well the paying part is really the tricky part as you say. We're not MLG by any means right now, but have a few really successful runs then who knows.These tournaments are there so players have something to do.It's happened before, I have had paid tournaments where only 15~ people show up, then the free tournaments I get 60-120 players. It's random.What I can say I'll try to cater to the community as much as possible. So far it's obvious that people want a regular tournament series.

StrifeIsBack Profile Joined September 2011 United States 31 Posts #10 Definitely for daily/weekly/monthlies. Just recently got back into the scene, and was wondering if anyone could provide some input on what has happened with z33k specifically? I used to host weekly, and monthlies with cash prizes...and I'm looking to start up a new team looking to offer players sponsors, and such, and was planning on recruiting through them... Infinity Gaming | o_O | O_o |

PixelNite Profile Joined August 2011 France 1004 Posts #11 I miss the little korean events like ESV / KSL/ EWM were we could discover new players and new potentials

Jayp Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Argentina 116 Posts Last Edited: 2013-02-02 17:55:06 #12 On February 02 2013 20:02 Bane.RemedY wrote:

Definitely for daily/weekly/monthlies. Just recently got back into the scene, and was wondering if anyone could provide some input on what has happened with z33k specifically? I used to host weekly, and monthlies with cash prizes...and I'm looking to start up a new team looking to offer players sponsors, and such, and was planning on recruiting through them...



Z33k had the VeraLynn issue that put a black spot on their record. I think their investors backed out.



Z33k had the VeraLynn issue that put a black spot on their record. I think their investors backed out. On February 02 2013 20:06 PixelNite wrote:

I miss the little korean events like ESV / KSL/ EWM were we could discover new players and new potentials



Well I would like to do a korean events, but we need to establish ourselves first. Well I would like to do a korean events, but we need to establish ourselves first.

KiF1rE Profile Blog Joined November 2009 United States 964 Posts #13 On February 03 2013 02:54 Jayp wrote:

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On February 02 2013 20:02 Bane.RemedY wrote:

Definitely for daily/weekly/monthlies. Just recently got back into the scene, and was wondering if anyone could provide some input on what has happened with z33k specifically? I used to host weekly, and monthlies with cash prizes...and I'm looking to start up a new team looking to offer players sponsors, and such, and was planning on recruiting through them...



Z33k had the VeraLynn issue that put a black spot on their record. I think their investors backed out.



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On February 02 2013 20:06 PixelNite wrote:

I miss the little korean events like ESV / KSL/ EWM were we could discover new players and new potentials



Well I would like to do a korean events, but we need to establish ourselves first. Z33k had the VeraLynn issue that put a black spot on their record. I think their investors backed out.Well I would like to do a korean events, but we need to establish ourselves first.



Well z33k stopped doing their sponsored stuff before veralynn even started doing z33k TV and other side projects. veralynn was the one rebuilding most everything at z33k, Obviously that affected the rebuild when the controversy hit. I think z33k stopped doing most cash tournaments when playhem really started going as a dominant force. People other than z33k still hold cash tournaments and stuff occasionally on their site though. Just nothing regularly or semi permanent. The z33k site still works great though. Well z33k stopped doing their sponsored stuff before veralynn even started doing z33k TV and other side projects. veralynn was the one rebuilding most everything at z33k, Obviously that affected the rebuild when the controversy hit. I think z33k stopped doing most cash tournaments when playhem really started going as a dominant force. People other than z33k still hold cash tournaments and stuff occasionally on their site though. Just nothing regularly or semi permanent. The z33k site still works great though.