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Hero MemberActivity: 700Merit: 500 Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 17, 2015, 11:36:57 PM #1



This forum should have a zero tolerance policy against this. Besides, it's even I never quite understood this. Several posts with DOXing stay up and are never removed. Isn't it hard for mods to see when a user is trying to damage someone's reputation with baseless accusations and when it's actually information to built up a scam accusation case? But even if it's the later, why should a forum indexed by search engines and well ranked in terms of SEO allow that? Is bitcointalk.org encouraging mob justice? Is the forum Satoshi created for discussion about bitcoin to take place in endorsing taking conflicts about an e-currency into real life, perhaps even with violence and life ruining tactics (that could even target the false person)? I'm sure you realize allowing such a thing can be abused by people with very, very bad intentions.This forum should have a zero tolerance policy against this. Besides, it's even against google's policy to allow such a thing. 8chan was briefly de-listed from google for not following it. If Theymos cares about ad revenue and the future of this forum he should really consider this.

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Copper MemberLegendaryActivity: 1498Merit: 1346No I dont escrow anymore. Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 08:05:02 AM #5 A dox is just an aggregation of publicly available information and as such not a violation of any rights. Theymos said in the past that he is strongly against e.g. the release of social security numbers and will go against that.

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Hero MemberActivity: 700Merit: 500 Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 01:23:14 PM #8



8chan was de-listed, without receiving a notification from google as to why. Saying that the same could happen might be a stretch but I wouldn't consider it impossible.



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Sure, but the FAQ I linked to actually mentions that google delists websites for alleged defamation, hate speech, impersonation as well. All of those could be part of doxing, the fact that it's user submitted content doesn't change much from their perspective.



The right to be forgotten is a completely different procedure, supported by the EU. Where google removes search results from showing up per request if and only if the party making the request can submit the necessary evidence, which is not an anonymous precedure. Ok to address Blazr's points,8chan was de-listed, without receiving a notification from google as to why. Saying that the same could happen might be a stretch but I wouldn't consider it impossible.Sure, but the FAQ I linked to actually mentions that google delists websites for alleged defamation, hate speech, impersonation as well. All of those could be part of doxing, the fact that it's user submitted content doesn't change much from their perspective.The right to be forgotten is a completely different procedure, supported by the EU. Where google removes search results from showing up per request if and only if the party making the request can submit the necessary evidence, which is not an anonymous precedure.

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Bitcoin.org domain administratorFull MemberActivity: 120Merit: 371 Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 03:52:41 PM #9 Isn't Google more flexible with forums/social media and other sites based on user generated content? The most that will happen is that they'll stop linking to the particular thread where the defamation, hate speech, or impersonation is happening.



I think the risk of being permanently de-listed from Google is very low. It's not a factor that should influence any decision or change in forum policy here.

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LegendaryActivity: 2128Merit: 1094 Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 04:13:41 PM #11 I don't know why it's allowed to release someone's personal information on the forum (though Badbear and Theymos have criticized this). Even members threaten other members out here like personal threats to their life and that's as well considered 'freedom of speech'. If this way someone is harmed in their personal life, it won't be a good thing for this forum. Doxing should be banned IMO.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 378Merit: 302 Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 04:29:18 PM #12 It shouldn't be allowed.



If a silly forum argument has someone so fired up that they feel the need to doxx the other, then that's a good sign to take a break and go do something else.



Even if there is a "legal" reason (e.g. theft) to find someone's identity, and you are that good of a detective, then call the police and give them your discoveries. Bringing it onto the forum is just immature and petty (and can cause damage if you accidently doxx the wrong person).



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LegendaryActivity: 2506Merit: 2148Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya? Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 05:45:33 PM #15 Quote from: worhiper_-_ on September 17, 2015, 11:36:57 PM



This forum should have a zero tolerance policy against this. Besides, it's even

I never quite understood this. Several posts with DOXing stay up and are never removed. Isn't it hard for mods to see when a user is trying to damage someone's reputation with baseless accusations and when it's actually information to built up a scam accusation case? But even if it's the later, why should a forum indexed by search engines and well ranked in terms of SEO allow that? Is bitcointalk.org encouraging mob justice? Is the forum Satoshi created for discussion about bitcoin to take place in endorsing taking conflicts about an e-currency into real life, perhaps even with violence and life ruining tactics (that could even target the false person)? I'm sure you realize allowing such a thing can be abused by people with very, very bad intentions.This forum should have a zero tolerance policy against this. Besides, it's even against google's policy to allow such a thing. 8chan was briefly de-listed from google for not following it. If Theymos cares about ad revenue and the future of this forum he should really consider this.

Dox stay up because it is typically meta data. If information about you can be found on social media/google, whatever, its not private. If someone has to steal your medical records from a hospital in order to release it, then that is not allowed, nor is posting someone else's social security number. As far as baseless accusations and such, it is up for individuals to determine what is baseless. If people want to post about their businesses here without needing Bitcointalk to fact check, verify their claims, etc, then they need to be willing to do that themselves when people ask. Bitcointalk is not affiliated with google in any way, ads are all done in house.



Quote from: Xian01 on September 17, 2015, 11:54:10 PM Because these forums don't care about doxxing, unless it's posting Theymos' dox.

Theymos' dox are floating around somewhere in meta, rules don't apply differently to moderators/admins. Dox stay up because it is typically meta data. If information about you can be found on social media/google, whatever, its not private. If someone has to steal your medical records from a hospital in order to release it, then that is not allowed, nor is posting someone else's social security number. As far as baseless accusations and such, it is up for individuals to determine what is baseless. If people want to post about their businesses here without needing Bitcointalk to fact check, verify their claims, etc, then they need to be willing to do that themselves when people ask. Bitcointalk is not affiliated with google in any way, ads are all done in house.Theymos' dox are floating around somewhere in meta, rules don't apply differently to moderators/admins.

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LegendaryActivity: 1904Merit: 1045In Collateral I Trust. Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 06:24:58 PM #17 The problem isn't the act of doxing for the most part, it is the factual doxing the correct person. I have seen so much wrong information posted it is unbelievable.

No SSID and other sensitive information should ever be allowed and doxing should only be the last resort.

IMO, no doxing should be allowed from an alt. or new account. If you post it and are wrong, you should suffer the consequences. When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this:



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Hero MemberActivity: 490Merit: 500 Re: Why is non-consensual release of personal information allowed? September 18, 2015, 06:30:32 PM #18 This forum allows a lot of stuff that should not, selling/buying accounts, even default trust ones, doxing people, some scams, some not, like ponzies and other ponzi related ´´games´´ and yes i know it´s to gather all ponzies in one place but is still kind of ridiculous. They are very strict about people spamming or posting useless stuff but not so much when it comes to scammers since they are never banned.