ovnell Profile Joined December 2010 Sweden 61 Posts Last Edited: 2011-10-06 20:10:10 #1



In every matchup

Terran: 74%

Zerg: 75%

Protoss: 63%



Matchups in order of entertainment

ZvZ: 83% *

TvZ: 80% (89% if zerg wins, 70% if terran wins)

TvT: 79%

PvZ: 66% (71% if zerg wins, 61% if protoss wins)

PvP: 61%

TvP: 61% (69% if protoss wins, 50% if terran wins)



Most entertaining race when they win: Zerg (81%)

Most entertaining race when they lose: Terran (80%)



Least entertaining race when they win: Terran (63%)

Least entertaining race when they lose: Protoss (62%)



Poll

+ Show Spoiler + Poll: What's your favorite matchup to watch?



TvZ (162)

56%



TvP (53)

18%



ZvP (46)

16%



TvT (16)

6%



PvP (7)

2%



ZvZ (4)

1%



288 total votes (162)56%(53)18%(46)16%(16)6%(7)2%(4)1%288 total votes Your vote: What's your favorite matchup to watch? (Vote): TvT

(Vote): TvZ

(Vote): TvP

(Vote): ZvZ

(Vote): ZvP

(Vote): PvP



Poll: What's your favorite race to watch?



Zerg (107)

40%



Terran (84)

31%



Protoss (79)

29%



270 total votes (107)40%(84)31%(79)29%270 total votes Your vote: What's your favorite race to watch? (Vote): Terran

(Vote): Zerg

(Vote): Protoss





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*Many people will disagree with ZvZ being the most entertaining matchup to watch. Only a few ZvZ games have been played in code s and the reason it's the highest matchup on the list could be because of the final between Nestea and Losira. I've studied how entertaining the people have found watching the different matchups and races in GSL code s since GSL january round of 8. I've done this by counting the votes in the "recommended games" section in the LR threads here on TeamLiquid. The results are presented in percentages (%) of how many people found the average games entertaining for that race/matchup. In other words, the higher percentage, the more entertaining matchup/race to watch. Here are the results:In every matchupTerran: 74%Zerg: 75%Protoss: 63%Matchups in order of entertainmentZvZ: 83% *TvZ: 80% (89% if zerg wins, 70% if terran wins)TvT: 79%PvZ: 66% (71% if zerg wins, 61% if protoss wins)PvP: 61%TvP: 61% (69% if protoss wins, 50% if terran wins)Most entertaining race when they win: Zerg (81%)Most entertaining race when they lose: Terran (80%)Least entertaining race when they win: Terran (63%)Least entertaining race when they lose: Protoss (62%)_______________________________________________*Many people will disagree with ZvZ being the most entertaining matchup to watch. Only a few ZvZ games have been played in code s and the reason it's the highest matchup on the list could be because of the final between Nestea and Losira.

Horseballs Profile Joined July 2011 United States 721 Posts #2 This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.

whatthefat Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 918 Posts #3



How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up. Wow, great work! Seems like people just hate terran!How many games did this analysis cover? It would be good to add the n values for each match-up. SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"

MilesTeg Profile Joined September 2010 France 1270 Posts #4 Interesting numbers. I think TvZ is by far the best MU from a viewer standpoint, followed by TvT but ZvZ is great too, I just wish there was more of it to see the matchup evolve. Even if it's sometimes frustrating to play (personnally love it) there's constant action and micro, and banelings in general are just an exciting unit that can turn the battle in an instant.



Protoss tends to be less interesting because I feel their games are more about one timing push/one big battle and there's much less action throughout the game. Stargate builds are an exception but they're slowly going to disappear. Maybe Warp Prisms can make Protoss exciting again? PvP and PvZ are terrible and have always been, PvT used to be better IMO but with the 1/1/1 now it's garbage too.

decaf Profile Joined October 2010 Austria 1797 Posts #5 So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?

AndreiDaGiant Profile Joined October 2010 United States 394 Posts #6 On October 07 2011 02:37 decaf wrote:

So basically everyone is biased towards zerg and secretely hates terran?

i dont think its much of a secret i dont think its much of a secret Terran Metal for the Win

MilesTeg Profile Joined September 2010 France 1270 Posts #7 On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.



What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?



Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.

r_con Profile Blog Joined May 2011 United States 462 Posts #8 It looks like people don't like watching toss, and like watching zerg the most. Flash Fan!

TheSubtleArt Profile Joined May 2011 Canada 1806 Posts #9 On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.

Zerg games are generally more fun to watch because there's more going on at 1 time. In comparison Protoss games can be really boring and uneventful, especially PvT. Also, Terran has historically been winning the most and Zerg the least, so that would influence it too. Zerg games are generally more fun to watch because there's more going on at 1 time. In comparison Protoss games can be really boring and uneventful, especially PvT. Also, Terran has historically been winning the most and Zerg the least, so that would influence it too. Dodge arrows

ishboh Profile Joined October 2010 United States 882 Posts #10 perhaps the reason that zerg has more votes is because games involving zerg usually have more aggression. games that have more aggression are probably more likely to be recommended?

Horseballs Profile Joined July 2011 United States 721 Posts #11 On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.



What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?



Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.



Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.

FlopTurnReaver Profile Blog Joined January 2010 Switzerland 1971 Posts #12 ((( What's with all the Terran hate?((( Check out @MapOfTheMonth on Twitter and under http://bit.ly/motmorg

Ziktomini Profile Joined October 2010 United Kingdom 377 Posts #13 On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.



Or that Zerg games are more entertaining, you know, as the thread suggests and the voting feature on gomtv also..... Or that Zerg games are more entertaining, you know, as the thread suggests and the voting feature on gomtv also.....

RoboBob Profile Blog Joined September 2010 United States 797 Posts Last Edited: 2011-10-06 17:48:32 #14 I remember a poll waaaay back at release which showed that the race most commonly played by TLers Zerg. IIRC, It was like 40% zerg / 20% terran / 35 %protoss / 5% random. (I couldn't find the link to the poll, if someone else can please do)



Which is actually very different from the overall playerbase. According to Dustin Browder, at release there were: 23.5% zerg / 38.0% terran / 38.5% protoss.

Zarahtra Profile Joined May 2010 Iceland 4052 Posts #15 Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.

Yannosh Profile Joined August 2010 Belgium 93 Posts #16 I find PvT the most interesting match up actually, short after PvZ. I play zerg btw.

Torte de Lini Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Germany 30668 Posts Last Edited: 2011-10-06 17:56:26 #17 On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:

On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.



What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?



Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.



Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.



It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.



Statistics aren't intended to "prove".



In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.



He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.



In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.



Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements. It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.Statistics aren't intended to "prove".In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Huragius Profile Joined September 2010 Lithuania 1505 Posts #18 On October 07 2011 02:48 Zarahtra wrote:

Not a big surprise. If anything, it surprises me how high TvT is, but TL is so insanely zerg biased. So many times I've been like "holy crap what an awesome game" in TvT/TvP/PvP and it gets *maybe* "If you have time", and then a very dull, non-action packed snorefest including zerg gets recommended.



Pretty much this.



I stopped checking recommended games long long ago, thanks to whiners who ruin the polls (mostly zergs but now protoss's force of whine has awaken too). Pretty much this.I stopped checking recommended games long long ago, thanks to whiners who ruin the polls (mostly zergs but now protoss's force of whine has awaken too).

E.H Eager Profile Joined August 2011 United States 227 Posts #19 I'm surprised ZvZ is the most popular. It doesn't seem like the most in depth match up (none of the mirror match ups do really...), but I guess whatever floats your boat.



I personally love watching TvZ. It seems like the classic match up and there are so many exciting things that are happening the whole time.

Horseballs Profile Joined July 2011 United States 721 Posts #20 On October 07 2011 02:55 Torte de Lini wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 07 2011 02:44 Horseballs wrote:

On October 07 2011 02:41 MilesTeg wrote:

On October 07 2011 02:35 Horseballs wrote:

This adds more evidence to the theory that online communities are definitely zerg-biased, and generally anti-terran. How do you explain that phenomenon? Are people really that petty about race allegiance in a game? I personally can watch any matchup and be entertained.



What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?



Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often. What? XD How can this be what you conclude from the numbers?Keep in mind most games that aren't liked are a successful 2 rax or 1/1/1 or 6 gate or something like that, so the numbers make sense. I'm pretty sure if a zerg wins with a 6 pool people won't recommend the game but it tends to happen less often.



Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant. Obviously it isn't completely conclusive, but come on: a 20% swing in whether or not a game is recommended based on whether or not Terran wins or loses? That seems pretty significant.



It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.



Statistics aren't intended to "prove".



In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.



He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.



In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.



Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements. It's not remotely conclusive. Statistics are never meant to conclude something, but help guide someone to further understanding of something and continue more research.Statistics aren't intended to "prove".In any case, these stats are bias: they're reliant on only those who frequent Team Liquid and those who actually bothered voting.He also doesn't list the total sample number. There's also a bias, with less games of a certain MU in the GSL occurring, there is a likelihood of more "recommended" votes due to there being less matches to compare if a particular match is worth watching or not.In addition, if someone has seen 3 PvPs previously, the fourth one will very likely not be recommended regardless if good or not because of the number of times the match-up has been seen.Of course these are likelihoods, not concrete statements.



I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old. I don't mean to imply that statistics are some kind of absolute truth: but it does add to what I've experienced on several online communities. Say something pro-terran on reddit and get downvoted into oblivion, go on Bnet and get flamed for "terran op," go on TL and see everyone crying about terran in LR threads, the strategy forum is dominated by protoss and zerg threads, and this shows people are more likely to recommend a game if a terran loses. Frankly, it is getting old.

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