someoneintheshadow456:

autistic-trans:

someoneintheshadow456: max-out-of-ten: someoneintheshadow456: peachy-political: blue-exorsexist: scaredy-ant: autistic-trans: scaredy-ant: keyhollow: thewildoffender: autistic-trans: :Context: When a Trans person says something like this, they’re saying it because they’re having a bad day, are tired of Transphobia, or maybe to let loose.

The “Down with Cis Bus” isn’t real, and a Trans person most likely won’t attack someone for being Cis. “Cisphobic” jokes are punching up, rather than punching down on a minority. Cisphobia isn’t based on hundreds of years of discrimination, making Cis people too scared to leave their homes. :What to do: Support Trans people who are going through a hard time! If they’re just making a joke? Then remember, it’s not really about you. It’s a joke on Society and Transphobia, and how Cis people are treated as better than Trans people.

Be nice! I personally do know a trans person. And whenever I do bring up the down with cis crap, she is genuinely disturbed. We live in a state where being outed as trans can be met with beatings or worse… yet she doesnt go around stating down with cis, cis people suck, ect. Because she isn’t angry at cis people, she has no reason to be, seeing how she has supportive friends who are cis. She instead goes and protests anti trans shit, she calmly talks and explains who she is, and she does hate transphobes. You coming on here and defending posting a ‘down with cis’ thing is the exact same as the transphobe saying that being trans isn’t real. They are both out of ignorance or hatred. So next time, instead of posting ‘down with cis’ and directing your anger towards a group of people, post instead ‘down with transphobes’ (the group who doesn’t want trans people to have rights.) Being racist/sexist/(insert)phobic isn’t excuses because you had a bad day Op people like is why the lgbt acceptance rate is just steadily going down. You do know that implies that the only reason non-LGBT people support us, is because we’re nice to them? If you don’t support all LGBT people’s identity, no matter if they’re personally nice to you or not, you aren’t an ally. yiu realize without non lgbt people we wouldn’t have the rights we have today right? and excusing it with ‘punching up’ isn’t better, show some class and stop with the whole straight hating thing. @autistic-trans you realize that if you consistently are obnoxious and douchey to people for no reason/for something they can’t control, they’re not going to like you, right? Especially when you only make up 0.6% of the population so many people don’t even know an actual trans person - they just see this bullshit everywhere and that’s the impression they get about all of us (yes, “us” as I’m also trans), thanks to you loudmouths. 99.4% of the entire human population are not responsible for your having a hard day or for transphobia existing. And even if someone is transphobic? As in just ignorant and not willfully so as well as actually harmful to us? Then educate them while treating them like a human being instead of treating them as scum for not knowing everything in the world. I’ve done this and successfully changed the minds of some people who used to be transphobic. That’s how you make a change - by educating people. Is it a slow process over all? Yes, but it’s the only way you’re gonna make a change, especially when we’re politicized and people are going crazy like trying to force their children to be trans and chemically castrate them. Basically, stop discriminating against people for how they’re born. As a marginalized minority, you should already have some sort of idea about just how bad that is and yet here we are, where apparently now it’s cool to hate on people for their inborn traits so long as they’re the majority. Hypocritical, much? “Darkness cannot drive out darkness: Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: Only love can do that.” - Martin Luther King Jr. It is about you. When you’re making a derogatory statement about that demographic, its about the people in that demographic. Telling people they should support people putting them down based on their gender identity is absolutely disgusting. Fuck this whole narrative. Also jokes like these have immense collateral damage. The ones who are most hurt by cishet jokes are bi people, straight and stealth trans people, and ace people while cishets usually don’t bear the brunt of the baggage at all. But you people don’t care if your actions are actually hurting the people you’re trying to protect. How about instead of “punching up” or “punching down” we just uh… Don’t punch? What??? Don’t be violent against anybody??? What is this nazi fascist rhetoric???? @max-out-of-ten That sounds like a great idea, and I’m all for it if they’re both being abolished. Though, the negatives would be that nobody could ever make jokes about horrible things that’ve happened to them, because they’d be punching at themselves. And making jokes in bad situations is something a lot of people do.. though.. If it’s to get rid of all prejudiced jokes on the planet however, it sounds like a good idea. :) @someoneintheshadow456 Cishet jokes don’t affect Bi people, because we are not Cishet. Implying Bi people are Cishet, means that we’re half gay half het. That is not true. Straight trans people aren’t affected by Cis jokes, though I do agree that Straight jokes should be turned into Cishet jokes instead. Stealth trans people aren’t Cis just because they’re stealth. They’re assumed Cis until outed yes, but they’re not Cis. “ace people while cishets usually don’t bear the brunt of the baggage at all.” is a little confuing to me, can you explain this in more detail?

The point is cishet people by and large, aren’t affected by “ew gross hetties” jokes. If you’ve noticed from your comments, the ones who are all calling you out are Bs, Ts, As, and Enbies because THEY are the ones who tend to get the most hurt by those jokes.

Cishet jokes DO affect bi people when radfems are the ones making them, calling them “basically straight”, “handmaiden”, “dick worshiper” etc because they’re attracted to men. Also het-partnered bi people tend to get lumped in with “the gross icky straights” with those jokes. Asexual people get lumped with this as well because some stupid people think not feeling sexual attraction is the same as being straight.

And according to biphobic and acephobic people, bi people and ace people are “too straight” for the community. So when a biphobic/acephobic person makes a cishet joke, they’re probably including bi and/or ace people in it.

Straight and stealth trans people are affected by cishet jokes because you can’t tell if someone is trans or cis just at first glance (and trying to sniff out who is trans/cis is something TERFs do so just??? please stop???). Also NB people who pass as straight exist. So that person you’re calling a “stinky hetero” might not actually be hetero or cis at all, and you made homophobic/transphobic/enbyphobic assumptions about them based on outdated stereotypes.

And even gays and lesbians can get affected by this because masculine gays and feminine lesbians exist. And not every gay man is a flaming fashion guy and not every lesbian is a flannel wearing undercut butch. That person you might be deriding as cishet may be gay/lesbian, and you probably thought they were cishet because of, again, outdated stereotypes of how an LGBT person should act.

And don’t even get me started on closeted people and LGBT people in non-Western countries who are still screaming to the dominant heterosexual populace that “we are normal people who just happen to like the same gender” because THAT’S the only way they have gotten any change thus far. Mentalities like this spit in the face of all our efforts because you want to be edgy.

YOU CAN’T TELL WHO IS LGBT JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM.