> TONIGHT ON 'METROFOCUS,' FRANK SINATRA.

HE WAS THE VOICE, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, A HEARTTHROB, AN ACADEMY AWARD-WINNING ACTOR WH DEFINED COOL HE WAS THE LEADER ARE OF THE RAT PACK AND HE WAS HOBOKEN' FAVORITE SON TO HIS OWN SON HE WAS SIMPLY DAD.

A PERSONAL LOOK AT FRANK SINATRA, THE MAN, THE MYTH AND THE LEGEND WITH HIS SON, FRANK JR., ALL AHEAD AS WE CELEBRATE THE CENTENNIAL OF FRAN SINATRA'S BIRTH.

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HE WAS THE VOICE OF THE CENTURY.

THE SKINNY KID FROM HOBOKEN WH WENT ON TO BECOME THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, WHO WOWE AUDIENCES WITH HIS VOICE, HI CHARISMA, HIS CHARM AND HI COOL FRANK SINATRA, FROM HIS MUSIC TO HIS FILMS TO HIS LARGER THAN LIFE PERSONA, WAS MANY THINGS TO MANY PEOPLE.

BUT FOR HIS SON FRANK JR., H WAS DAD.

AND THE MAN HE LATER BECAME BAND LEADER FOR 'SINATRA 100,' A NEW BOOK THAT CHRONICLES THE LIFE AND TIMES OF THE MAN WHO REFLECTED AN PROVIDED A SOUNDTRACK TO THE 20th CENTURY I CAUGHT UP WITH CHARLES, WH HELPED RUN SINATRA INTERPRIZES OVER 30 YEARS, PHOTOGRAPHE GEORGE KALINSKI, AND WITH FRAN JR I ASKED JUNIOR WHAT IT WAS LIK WORKING WITH HIS LEGENDARY FATHER

HE HAD LEARNED SOME MISINFORMATION THAT I WA CONDUCTING THE ORCHESTRA IN MY OWN SHOW WHICH SPACE CONFINEMENTS ON TH STAGE AS I WAS PLAYING DEMANDED.

AND AS FAR AS HE WAS CONCERNED ALL OF A SUDDEN I BECAME THE EUGENE ORMANDY IN HIS MIND BETWEEN CONDUCTORS HE CALLED AND ASKED ME TO CONDUCT FOR HI WHICH TO SAY THE LEAST WAS SURPRISING SO I JOINED HIS COMPANY AND IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE I TELL PEOPL I LEARNED HOW TO WALK ON TIPTOES, ON EGG SHELLS, FO SEVEN YEARS.

BUT I DON'T THINK I BROKE AN MAJOR OMELETTES, THOUGH, WHICH IS PURELY GOOD FORTUNE IT WAS AN INTERESTIN EXPERIENCE

SO LET ME GO TO THE BOOK.

THIS, CHARLES, IS THE OFFICIAL SINATRA BOOK IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT IS THE HEADLINE OF THIS ICON'S LIFE

THE HEADLINE IS, THE GREATEST SINGER THAT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN OF NOT JUST THE 20th CENTURY I THINK AS WE KEEP MOVING ON I TIME, THERE'S NOBODY THAT WILL HAVE A CAREER LIKE FRANK SIN NAUGHT TRA YOU CAN'T.

YOU TOOK SIGNIFICAN PHOTOGRAPHS OF FRANK SINATRA TINA SINATRA, YOUR SISTER, I THE BOOK WRITES, ONE THING SHE KNOWS FOR SURE IS HE NEVER TOO A BAD PICTURE.

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS

FRANK SINATRA WAS ONE OF TH PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO HAD THAT CHARISMA ABOUT HIM.

THERE WASN'T ANY PART OF TAKIN PHOTOGRAPHS OF HIM WOULD BE BA BECAUSE HE JUST WAS WHO HE IS.

AND THERE WERE VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE AND WERE LIKE FRANK SINATRA.

SOMEBODY SAID THAT AS THE YEARS PASSED, HE CHANGED O COURSE LIKE ALL HUMAN BEINGS DO, BUT THERE WAS SOMETHIN ESSENTIAL THAT WAS ALWAY CAPTURED IN AN IMAGE OF FRAN SINATRA.

WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THAT WAS?

WHEN FRANK SINATRA WALKED INTO A ROOM, EVERYBODY TURNE AND IT WAS FRANK FRANKCHISELED BECAUSE OF THE LOOK HE HAD.

FRANK SINATRA JR. HAS BASICALL THE SAME FACE.

THE PHOTOGRAPH FRANK SINATRA, IT WAS A PRIVILEGE AND AN HONOR T BE WITH HIM AND TO PHOTOGRAP HIM.

WE ALL KNOW FRANK SINATRA THE ICON YOU KNEW HIM AS A DAD.

WHAT WAS HE AS A DAD WHEN YOU WERE GROWING UP

IN A WORD I WOULD SAY ABSENT YEAH, BECAUSE HIS CAREER CAME TO HIM IN AN INDUSTRY WHICH I UNFORGIVING IN THE SENSE THAT, GEE, WE WANT YOUR SERVICES AND WE WANT YOU NOW.

THERE'S A SAYING IN THIS BUSINESS WHEN THE PHONE STOPS RINGING THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING AND HE WAS WISE ENOUGH TO TAKE THE JOBS AS THEY CAME AND THAT KEPT HIM AWAY FROM HOME MOST O THE TIME

WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT H WAS NOT LIKE MOST PEOPLE'S DAD THAT HE WAS DIFFERENT, A DIFFERENT KIND OF DAD?

I NEVER FELT HIM TO BE DIFFERENT KIND OF DAD.

HE DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO

YOU AND YOUR SISTER NANCY FOLLOWED HIM INTO THE MUSI BUSINESS WAS HE A GREAT TEACHER IS THERE SOMETHING IN TH SINATRA BLOOD STREAM

I DON'T BELIEVE HE TAUGHT EITHER ONE OF US HIS ATTITUDE WAS, THE CHILDREN ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THEI OWN LEARNING EXPERIENCES FOR WHICH I'M VERY GRATEFUL.

YOUR GRANDMOTHER DOLL SINATRA WAS QUITE A LADY IN HE OWN RIGHT.

SHE SPOKE, FROM WHAT I READ, EVERY DIALECT OF ITALIAN

ALL 55.

AND SHE WAS A FORCE IN TH HOBOKEN OF HER TIME.

CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER?

SHE WAS REALLY QUIT REMARKABLE IN THE SENSE THAT SHE HAD BEEN BORN AT GENOA IN TH NORTH OF ITALY AND SHE WAS THE PINK-SKINNED BLUE-EYED, NORTHERN ITALIAN.

THAT'S WHERE SINATRA GOT HIS FAMOUS BLUE EYES IN THE UNITED STATES, SHE WA ACTIVE IN POLITICS WHEN WOME WERE NEVER IN POLITICS SHE WAS IN LEAGUE WITH ALL THE MAJOR POLITICIANS OF THE DAY WITHIN THE STATE SHE HAD QUITE AN INTERESTING LIFE

WHAT DID SHE MAKE OF HE SON'S SUCCESS?

I'M SURE SHE WAS VERY PROUD OF IT.

I HAVE MADE A CONCLUSION, BU ONLY PERSONALLY.

MY FATHER WAS VERY ACTIVE IN POLITICS VERY INTERESTED IN POLITICS.

HE WORKED FOR PRESIDENTS SENATORS, CONGRESSMEN, GOVERNORS.

AND I THINK HE DEVELOPED THI INTEREST IN POLITICS FROM HI MOTHER BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN IN POLITICS WHEN HE WAS A BOY.

AND THEY SAY EVERY MOTHER IS A VERY STRONG INFLUENCE ON A SON AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE H GOT HIS INTEREST IN POLITICS FROM SHE NOT ONLY WITNESSED IT, SHE WAS PART OF IT

CHARLES, TONY BENNETT INTRODUCES THE BOOK, BEAUTIFUL INTRODUCTION AND YOU READ THAT AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT TONY BENNETT WAS ONE OF FRANK SINATRA'S FAVORITE SINGERS WHO ARE SOME OF THE OTHERS

I WAS ONLY WITH FRANK THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT HE WORKE BUT I KNEW HE HAD A GREA AFFINITY FOR ELLA FITZGERALD I KNOW LISTENING TO INTERVIEWS THAT HE WAS INFLUENCED BY BING CROSBY AND BILLIE HOLIDAY AN INSTRUMENTALS SUCH AS TOMM DORSEY AND LOUIS ARMSTRONG ALSO I THINK HE WAS THE FATHER OF REALLY ALL OF THE SINGING AND OF COURSE TONY BENNETT VER GRACIOUSLY DID THE FORWARD FOR THE BOOK BECAUSE TONY STIL FEELS TO THIS DAY IN 1965, FRANK DID AN ARTICLE FOR 'LIFE MAGAZINE WHEN HE WAS TURNING 5 AND HE HAD A QUOTE, PARAPHRASING THAT TONY BENNETT FOR HIS MONE WAS THE BEST SINGER IN THE BUSINESS TONY STILL SAYS THAT AFTER THA QUOTE CAME OUT, IT GOT SINATRA'S AUDIENCE TO LISTEN TO HIM.

NOT THAT THERE OF WAS A RIVALR BUT PEOPLE OPENED UP TO HIM AN HE FEELS THAT PROPELLED HI CAREER TO WHERE IT IS TODAY.

I'M GLAD CHARLES REMEMBERED TO MENTION THE INFLUENCE O BILLIE HOLIDAY OBVIOUSLY HE COULD NOT BE LIKE BILLIE HOLIDAY, BUT THERE WAS CERTAIN METRE IN HER VOICE SHE WOULD EMPLOY AND I THINK THAT' WHAT INFLUENCED HIM SO MUCH.

HE WAS ALSO AN ACADEM AWARD-WINNING ACTOR.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T MENTION THAT PART OF HIS CAREER.

WHO WERE SOME OF THE ACTORS HE LOOKED UP TO

IN HIS EARLY YEARS, HE WA INFLUENCED BY PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY BEGAN TO GROOM HIM.

ONE MAN IN 1947, WHO FOR ME IS ONE OF THE GREAT ACTORS WE'V EVER HAD, A MAN BY THE NAME OF LEE JACOBS, THAT WAS WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG MANKIND OF A ANTI-SEMITIC MOOD IN MANY PLACES SO HE CHANGED HIS NAME TO LEE J.

COBB AND HE WAS IN AN EARLY SINATRA FILM CALLED 'THE MIRACLE OF TH BELLS.

SINATRA BEGAN TO LEARN FROM HIM.

LATER THERE WERE OTHER PEOPL WHO INFLUENCED HIM NOT ANY LESS THAN MONTGOMERY CLIFT.

WHO HAS TO BE ONE OF THE GREAT ACTORS THE MOVIES HAVE EVER HAD, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

SO IS COBB, IN FACT.

THE SCENES THEY DID TOGETHER?

MUCH LATER THAN THAT.

SINATRA MADE THE ACQUAINTANCE OF A MAN WHO HE MET IN A MEN'S ROOM IN A RESTAURANT ONE NIGHT.

AS HE REALIZED WHO IT WAS HE WAS SEEING, AND HE SAID, MR. CARLO THIS FF, I'VE ADMIRED YOU MY WHOLE LIFE SINCE YOU SCARED TH HELL OUT OF ME WHEN YOU PLAYED FRANKENSTEIN'S MONSTER WHEN WAS A KID, YOU'RE A GREAT ACTOR.

CARLOFF, A DISTINGUISHED ENGLISHMAN, WILLIAM HENRY PRATT, CARLOFF SAID, OH, YOUNG MAN, YOU TOO ARE AN ACTOR BUT YOU MUST LEARN TO ACT WITH YOUR VOICE AS WELL AS YOUR FACE.

HE SAID, YOU ARE A SINGER, FOR YOU IT SHOULD BE EASY.

THEY EXCHANGED TELEPHONE NUMBERS.

THEY FOUND OUT THEY LIVE WALKING DISTANCE FROM EACH OTHER.

SO IN THE LATE 1950s, ALL TH WAY UP TO THE EARLY '60s, EXTR SCRIPT SIDES SINATRA WOULD GET AND HE WOULD GO TO VISIT THA MAN HE CALLED THE OLD MAN.

AND CARLOFF WAS GROOMING HIM CARLOFF WAS TEACHING HIM NOT A BAD TEACHER.

SO HE HAD SOME PRETTY HEAV TEACHING

DO YOU HAVE A FAVORIT PERFORMANCE OF HIS

OH, A LOT OF PERFORMANCES I LIKED.

I THINK MOST SEVERE OF ALL O THEM HAS GOT TO BE THE MAN WIT THE GOLDEN ARM DON'T YOU THINK, CHARLES

YEAH, I THINK WE DO HAVE AN INTERVIEW WHERE FRANK DOES SAY THAT HE THOUGHT HE SHOULD HAVE WON FOR 'MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM.

INSTEAD OF 'ETERNITY.'

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT A PIECE OF GUTSY ACTION THAT WAS.

THEY DIDN'T MAKE MOVIES IN 195 ABOUT A MAN HOOKED ON HEROIN THE OTHER PERFORMANCE WHIC REALLY I THOUGHT WAS S WONDERFUL, HERE HE IS PLAYIN THIS FUNNY, ALMOST HELPLESS MAN, VICTIM OF A BULLY, OF ERNI BORNGEIN IN 'FROM HERE T ETERNITY' WHO YOU FEEL SORRY FOR, ALL RIGHT WHAT DO WE HAVE GOING HERE WITHIN A YEAR HE MAKES ANOTHER MOVIE WHEN HE PLAYED A PSYCHOPATHIC MURDERER.

IN A PICTURE CALLED 'SUDDENLY.

AND THAT IS ONE OF HIS GREATES DRAMATIC PERFORMANCES.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN IT

I HAVEN'T SEEN IT

THIS IS A -- VERY SIMPL THERE'S A LITTLE TOWN OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELES CALLED SUDDENLY.

AND IN THIS TOWN A SPECIAL TRAIN AND CARRYING IT ON BOARD, MAKING A STOP, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

AND SOME D MALEFACTORS THE IDENTITY OF WHOM WE NEVE LEARN, HIRED A TEAM OF MEN T KILL THE PRESIDENT HE, SINATRA, IS THE CHIE ASSASSIN AND IT TAKES PLACE PRIMARILY I ONE ROOM IN A HOUSE, AND IT' ONE OF THESE THINGS MAKES YO DIG YOUR FINGERS INTO YOUR - YEAH WELL, NOW THAT'S ONE OF HI GREATEST PERFORMANCES.

BECAUSE LESS THAN A YEAR EARLIER YOU FELT SORRY FOR THIS VICTIM THAT YOU SAW NOW HE DOESN'T HAVE ON REDEEMING QUALITY.

AND THAT WAS ANOTHER GOO PERFORMANCE.

YOU GET ONE OF HIS OTHER GREAT PERFORMANCES, WHIC UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY EVER GETS TO SEE BECAUSE THE MOVIE DISAPPEARED, WAS IN A FILM MAD IN ENGLAND CALLED 'THE NAKED RUNNER' WHICH WAS IN THE '60s.

AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WIT FLINCH, DEREK FLINT, 007, JAME BOND SPY MOVIES WERE IN.

THAT WAS SINATRA'S SPY PICTURE AND HIS PERFORMANCE IN THA MOVIE WAS JUST SUPERB.

CHARLES, WHAT ABOUT HIS SONG?

DID FRANK SINATRA HAVE A FAVORITE SONG, A FAVORIT PERFORMANCE OF A SONG?

YOU KNOW, SEVERAL TIMES THE OPPORTUNITIES I HAD TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT MUSIC, I DO REMEMBER HIM MENTIONING THE SONG 'LAURA BY DAVID RAXON AS ONE OF HIS FAVORITE SONGS FRANK BEING HIS MUSICAL DIRECTOR COULD PROBABLY ADDRESS I BETTER I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TH PROGRAM THAT HE WOULD DO THE LAST 30 OR 40 YEARS HE WORKED.

THERE WERE CERTAIN SONGS SUCH AS 'I'VE GOT THE WORLD ON A STRING,' 'COME FLY WITH ME,' 'YOU MAKE ME FEEL SO YOUNG,' THAT ALWAYS SEEMED TO FIND THEIR WAY INTO A PROGRAM I THINK THEY WERE FAVORITES OF HIS.

I THINK HE FAVORED THAT QUALIT SONGWRITING THAT AS HIS CAREER PROGRESSED THE SONGWRITER, THAT'S WHY HE STUCK WITH THOSE SONGS, THE QUALITY OF THE SONG WENT DOWN.

SO GERSHWIN, KEARN, PORTER SAMMY, JIMMY USED THEM LIK PERSONAL SONGWRITERS FOR HIM BEING HIS FRIEND SO I THINK HE ADMIRE THE AND LIKED THOSE TYPE OF QUALIT SONGS.

LATER IN THE WEEK WE'RE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING DEAN MARTIN AND JERRY LEWIS ABOUT THE FAMOUS DEAN AND JERRY REUNION, TELETHON AFTER 20 YEARS.

COULD ANYONE ELSE HAVE BROUGHT DEAN AND JERRY TOGETHER BESIDE FRANK SINATRA?

IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, I WAS 10 YEARS OLD.

I REMEMBER WATCHING THAT TELETHON, A BIG EVENT.

THERE WAS A PICTURE IN THE BOO OF FRANK AT THE COPA CABANA IN NEW YORK HERE WITH DEAN AN JERRY.

SO HE WAS FRIENDS WITH BODY OF THEM AND I THINK HE SAID, IN ONE OF THE INTERVIEWS WE HAD, THA EVERYBODY THOUGHT WHEN THA PARTNERSHIP BROKE UP THAT DEAN WOULD NOT HAVE A SUCCESSFU CAREER, THAT JERRY WAS THE MOS TALENTED BUT DEAN I THINK, MAYBE OUTSID OF THE MOVIES, BUT EGLIMPSED JERRY ESPECIALLY IN TELEVISION HAD A MUCH LONGER CAREER DO I THINK THAT ANYBODY ELSE COULD HAVE GOT THEM TOGETHER A THAT POINT I DON'T THINK SO I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE FRANK WAS FRIENDS WITH BOTH OF THEM.

AND PROBABLY REALIZED IT WAS ABOUT TIME THAT THEY, AND FOR GREAT CAUSE -- I THINK FRANK, WE WERE -- HIS FATHER WAS WORKING AT BALLY'S ONE TIME AND DEAN FOLLOWED FRANK AND WE STAYED OVER ONCE.

ME AND SOME OF THE MUSICIANS I REMEMBER JERRY WHEELING OUT CAKE FOR ONE OF DEAN'S BIRTHDAYS JUST ON THE STAKE AT BALLY'S HUGGING HIM, SAYING I LOVE YOU AND THAT WAS IT.

I THINK '66 WAS IT, THAT WAS THE PINNACLE

CHARLES IS RIGHT AS FAR A I'M CONCERNED EXCEPTION FOR ON THING.

I DON'T THINK FRIENDSHIP HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT I THINK SINATRA DAMN NEAR JUST FORCED IT ON BOTH OF THEM.

HE SAID, IT'S TIME YOU TWO MUMSERS GOT TOGETHER HERE AN QUIT FOOLING AROUND WITH THIS.

THEY DID NOT SAY GOOD MORNING TO EACH OTHER FOR 20 YEARS, DECADES WENT BY.

THEY WERE TOGETHER AND THEY WERE HAPPY, THEY HAD A GOOD THING GOING FOR THEMSELVES, PARAMOUN HAD GIVEN THEM A BIG MOVIE CONTRACT IN THE DAYS O CONTRACTS.

ALL OF A SUDDEN JERRY WANTS TO WRITE, JERRY WANTS TO PRODUCE, JERRY WANTS TO DIRECT AN EVERYTHING AND DEAN JUST WOULD NOT TOLERATE IT AND THAT WAS IT.

THAT WAS THE END OF IT AND THEY DIDN'T TALK FOR DECADES.

AND THAT NIGHT AT THAT TELETHON, WHEN WAS IT, '76

'76, RIGHT.

I COULDN'T GET OVER THERE IT WOULD TAKE SINATRA TO MAK THAT HAPPEN.

WERE YOU THERE?

NO I SAW IT ON TV LIK EVERYBODY ELSE I WAS AWARE OF IT AT THE TIME.

IT'S JUST -- IT'S TIME I THINK WHAT REALLY PROMOTED THAT -- MOST UNFORTUNATELY DEAN'S SON, DEAN PAUL MARTIN WHO WAS A TACTICAL AIRPLAN PILOT IN THE AIR FORCE, WA FLYING AN F-4 PHANTOM JET AN DIED WHEN THAT AIRPLANE CRASHE INTO A MOUNTAIN.

AND AT HIS FUNERAL, JERRY CAME TO THE FUNERAL, AND THIS SURPRISED DEAN AND JEANNIE MARTIN, DEAN'S WIFE, COULDN'T GET OVER THAT SHE SAID, JERRY, HOW GOOD OF YOU TO COME.

AND HE SAID, LOOK, I WAS HER WHEN HE WAS BORN YOU KNOW, AND I THINK DEAN WAS VERY TOUCHED BY THAT I THINK THAT KIND OF OPENED TH DOOR YEAH

DEAN MARTIN, SAMMY DAVIS JR., JOEY BISHOP, THE RAT PACK, EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RAT PACK WHAT MADE FRANK PIN NAUGHT TRA THE LEADER OF THE PACK WHAT MADE HIM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD?

WILLIAM B. WILLIAMS MADE HI THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, THE FAMOUS DISK JOCKEY HERE, WNEW, YEARS AGO.

AS FAR AS THE LEADER OF THE RA PACK, I'M NOT SURE HE WAS.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS LEADER

I THINK THE ALLURE OF THE RAT PACK WAS ACTUALLY TH FRIENDSHIP PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO DUPLICATE THAT AND YOU JUST CAN'T.

THERE'S HUNDREDS IF NO THOUSANDS AROUND THE WORLD O TRIBUTE RAT PACK SHOWS THEY TRIED TO REMAKE THE MOVIES.

IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH AS FRANK SAID AFTER DEAN PAUL PASSED AWAY, HIS DAD DEVISED TO COME UP WITH TOUR IT WAS CALLED 'TOGETHER AGAIN.

TO BRING DEAN BACK OUT ON TH ROAD TO PICK UP HIS SPIRITS.

IT ONLY LASTED SIX SHOWS I CAN TELL YOU, BEING AT THOSE SIX SHOWS, PEOPLE JUST LOVED SEEING THE THREE OF THEM O STAGE.

THERE WAS A CAMARADERIE OUTSID OF THE MUSIC I THINK THEY WERE FRIENDS.

WHEN DEAN PASSED AWAY, I THINK FRANK HAD A QUOTE SAYING, 'HE' NOT MY BLOOD BUT HE WAS MY BROTHER.

I THINK THAT WAS AFFECTION, IT SHONE THROUGH IN THE PERFORMANCES IF YOU TALK TO ANYBODY THAT WA ABLE TO SEE THEM IN THE '50S O '60s, IT WAS SOMETHING NOBOD WILL EVER WITNESS AGAIN.

THEY WERE PLAYING IN A SMALL ROOM THAT SAT LESS THAN 60 PEOPLE THERE'S STORIES THAT WHEN IT WAS ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD BE THERE, YOU KNOW, THE SWITCH BOARDS TH ACTUALLY BROKE DOWN IN LAS VEGAS.

THEY GOT 180,000 CALLS FOR ESSENTIALLY THEY COULD ONLY PLAY TO 6,000 PEOPLE OVER THAT TW WEEKS.

IT'S AMAZING WHEN YOU READ ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED THE THREE OF THOSE TOGETHER.

HOW UNFORTUNATE THEY GOT THAT NAME TACKED ON TO THEM BECAUSE THERE WAS NO SUC MOVEMENT AS THE RAT PACK THAT WAS CREATED BY A TABLOI WRITER

I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY BILLED AS THE SUMMIT WASN'T THERE -

THAT'S IT

A SUMMIT WITH THE SOVIE UNION?

IT WAS CALLED THE SUMMIT IS WHAT IT WAS.

BUT THE TABLOIDS DECIDED IT WA MUCH MORE LIKELY TO SELL TABLOID PAPERS IF THEY CALLED THEM THE RAT PACK

YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER TH FIRST TIME THAT I MET FRANK.

AND HE HAD BEEN HIRED BY 'LIFE MAGAZINE TO PHOTOGRAPH THE FIRST ALI/FRASIER FIGHT, FIGHT OF TH CENTURY.

I WAS IN MY OFFICE ONE DAY, DOOR OPENS, FRANK SINATRA WALKS IN.

HE PUTS OUT HIS HAND I LOVE FRANK SINATRA MORE THAN ANY ENTERTAINER THERE WAS AN THERE HE IS IN MY OFFICE HE EXTENDS HIS HAND AND HE SAYS, HI, I'M FRANK SINATRA, I HEA YOU'RE A GREAT PHOTOGRAPHER AN I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY IN FIVE MINUTES.

DID YOU

THAT FIVE MINUTES TURNED OU TO BE ABOUT THREE HOURS.

WHICH ENDED UP AT PATSY'S FO LUNCH.

AND WE TALKED AND TALKED AND TALKED AND BEFORE I SAID HE WAS VER CURIOUS, WELL, HE WAS.

IF HE WAS GOING TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE ALI/FRASIER FIGHT H WANTED TO DO THE BEST JOB THAT HE POSSIBLY COULD.

CHARLES, YOU WORKED FOR SINATRA ENTERPRISES FOR 30 YEARS?

NO, I STARTED OUT RUNNING THE FAN CLUB

YES

GEORGE AND I WERE JUS TALKING ABOUT THAT I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES I MET GEORGE, FIRST TIME I CAM AROUND, 1984 FRANK WAS DOING AN ALLUM 'L.A.'S MY LADY' AND HIS SECRETARY DOROTHY INVITED ME DOWN AND FIRST MET FRANK.

A GREAT MUSIC GUY THAT WAS I THIS TOWN A LONG TIME, FRANK MILITARY, AND WHEN I WAS GOING TO COLLEGE IN THE SUMMERS WOULD THEN TRAVEL THE ROAD AND THEN AFTER I GRADUATED BECAM MORE OF A FULL-TIME THING.

I WAS VERY LUCKY TO WITNES THAT AS YOU MENTIONED, FRANK CAME O IN 1988, MUSICAL DIRECTOR.

THEY WERE JUST WONDERFUL YEARS IT SEEMS LIKE A LIFETIME AGO NOW.

IT'S A SHAME BECAUSE REALLY, EXCEPT FOR FRANK AND TON BENNETT, YOU DON'T HEAR THAT MUSIC LIVE IT'S BITTERSWEET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE DOING IT EXCEPT FRANK AND TONY BENNETT.

WHEN I STARTED -- TIME TAKES PEOPLE AWAY BUT THERE WAS SAMMY, THERE WAS PEGGY LEE, THERE WAS ELLIE FITZGERALD I WAS ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE THAT HAVE GONE, THEY'RE NOT HERE GREAT TIMES.

BEFORE YOU GO, I WANT TO AS BOTH YOU AND GEORGE, BECAUSE FRANK MUST HAVE A THOUSAND O THEM FOR YOU, WHAT'S YOUR MOS MEMORABLE SINATRA STORY?

ONE OF MY FAVORITE STORIES IS FRANK WAS CONDUCTING, AND REMEMBER I WAS SORT OF A PEST.

AND I HAD ASKED -- KEPT SAYING WHY DON'T WE PUT 'YOUNG AT HEART' IN THE BOOK AND HE DID IT ONE NIGHT.

AND THE AUDIENCE SANG WITH HIM AND I REMEMBER THE NEXT NIGH AFTER THE SHOW I WAS WITH TH PRODUCTION MANAGER ED CATANO I THANKED FRANK SENIOR FOR 'YOUNG AT HEART.

I SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT SON MEANS TO THE PEOPLE?

HE GRABBED ME ARM AND HE SAID, 'I KNOW WHAT THE SONG MEANS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY MEAN TO ME?

I WAS REALLY MOVED BY IT THE SONGS, WE THINK OF HIM JUS GOING OUT AND SINGING.

I THINK THOSE SONGS WERE PROBABLY LIKE CLOSE FRIENDS TO HIM ALL THROUGH THE YEARS.

THEY NEVER DESERTED HIM.

GEORGE?

THERE WAS ONE TIME WHEN FRANK SAID THAT HIS FAVORITE ANATOMY THAT HE WOULD EVER LIKE TO SEE WOULD BE A HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT AT MADISO SQUARE GARDEN.

AND THAT, HE SAID, IS MY DREAM IF I COULD POSSIBLY BE IN THAT FIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIK TO BE IS A FIGHTER AT MADISO SQUARE GARDEN.

FIGHTING FOR THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP OF THE WORLD.

AND THE CLOSEST THAT HE WAS ABLE TO COME TO THAT WAS THE MAIN EVENT.

AND HIS DREAM WAS TO BE IN THE ATMOSPHERE OF THE HEAVYWEIGH CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT THAT CONCERT WAS ALL ABOUT VISUALLY THE RING OR STAGE WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARENA.

AND AS WE SAID, LIKE A BOXIN EVENT.

THE CLOSEST HE CAME TO THAT WA THAT NIGHT WHEN HE WORK WALKED OUT AND HOWARD COSELL INTRODUCED HIM.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TH HEAVYWEIGHT CROONER OF THE WORLD.

MR. FRANK SINATRA.

I THINK THAT WAS A VER IMPORTANT NIGHT FOR FRANK AN HIS RELATIONSHIP, HOW CLOSE YO CAN GET TO HAVING THE FEELING OF BEING AT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN AND BEING A FIGHTER IN THE GARDEN AND BEING A CHAMPION AT THE GARDEN BUT FRANK WAS A CHAMPION WHEREVER HE WENT

IT'S BEEN A REAL HONOR AN PLEASURE TO TALK TO ALL OF YOU THANK YOU SO MUCH ONCE AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME.

THANK YOU.

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