When and how are the spirits of just man made perfect? "The spirits of just men made perfect" refers to men made perfect by having their sins washed away by the blood of Christ. We have had our sins washed away and have come to have fellowship with others who have been made perfect by having their sins washed away. Adam Clarke in his Commentary on Hebrews 12:23, "In several parts of this epistle teleiov, the just man, signifies one who has a full knowledge of the Christian system, who is justified and saved by Christ Jesus; and the teteleiwnemoi are the adult Christians, who are opposed to the nhpioi or babes in knowledge and grace...The spirits of the just men made perfect, or the righteous perfect, are the full grown Christians; those who are justified by the blood and sanctified by the Spirit of Christ. Being come to such, implies that spiritual union which the disciples of Christ have with each other, and which they possess how far so ever separate; for they are all joined in one spirit, #Eph 2:18; they are in the unity of the spirit, #Eph 4:3, 4; and of one soul, #Ac 4:32. This is a unity which was never possessed even by the Jews themselves in their best state; it is peculiar to real Christianity: (See Heb 12:29)."



There is no way we could have come to the "spirits" of those in Heaven? If they were in Heaven, they would be beyond our reach unto we are in Heaven with them. We would not have come to them.



"And to the spirits of the righteous made perfect" [New Revised Standard Version]. If disembodied spirits were in Heaven and in any way had fellowship or communication with us it would prove Spiritualism, which is forbidden by God. Most all who uses this to prove the soul is now immortal do not believe we have any communication with the dead if they are in Heaven, Hell, the grave, or any other place, therefore, we have not come unto them.



WHEN THIS IS USED TO PROVE THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE AND THEREFORE, IMMORTAL AFTER DEATH FOR THE "SOUL" OF THOSE WHO ARE DEAD ARE NOW MADE PERFECT, IT MAKES THE JUDGMENT AND RESURRECTION BE 100% TOTALLY USELESS.



Hamilton says spirit (pneuma) refers to God 288 times, to evil spirit 30 times, and 40 times pneuma refers to the human spirit (Truth Commentaries, 1 Peter, Page 370). W. E. Vine lists a number of ways pneuma refers to man, to "the human spirit," they must therefore be part of the 40 times. (f) The sentient element in man, that by which he perceives, reflects, feels, desire...(g) purpose aim...(i) character...(j) moral qualities and activities: bad... stupor... timidity... good... liberty... meekness... faith... quietness." As these all refer to the human spirit, they must be a part of the 40 times, but not a one in his list refers to a part of a person that lives after the death of the person. Hamilton says on page 364 that the Soul may mean life, persons, the heart, the mind, or the spirit. From what both W. E. Vine and Hamilton say, some of the 40 times means the mind. etc. Therefore, the times pneuma can refer to an internal immortal part of a person would be less than 40 times. But, he did not say how many or list them, which is the very thing he needed to prove his point. Just saying that a part of less than 40 times means a person has an immortal spirit does not get the job done. How often, one, five or more? Where are they? Hence, the GREAT CONFUSION: Soul or spirit or both? Try the Mormon handshake, for Christ's sake.

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