Th1rdEye Profile Blog Joined December 2006 United States 1069 Posts Last Edited: 2017-03-13 05:29:49 #1



Lost Temple is one example of many maps that are no longer played by many skilled map makers.



I have recently been playing Hunters 1:1 on iCCup Ladder. The games that unfold tend to be very scrappy and micro oriented, with lower economy based strategies. I've had a lot of fun.



I wish I could extend my ladder experience to LT/Hunters, if only just to "bring back the old days". Playing non-ladder with iCCup and Fish being an option is very uninteresting for me. Many people are opposed to playing LT in general... it surely is old compared to Python/FS, and might have some imbalances... but many maps do. We should have the option.



What do you guys/girls think? I feel if we can get some kind of data, whether large or small, we might be able to support a decent case for the return of LT. I plan on compiling some votes and contacting admins there.



It saddening to know that I took an 8-9 year break from Brood War, only to come back to see LT has been discarded



Poll: Should LT be added in active ladder rotation for iCCup?



No (134)

63%



Yes (80)

37%



214 total votes (134)63%(80)37%214 total votes Your vote: Should LT be added in active ladder rotation for iCCup? (Vote): Yes

(Vote): No









Thanks, keep playing on!



My next effort will be an attempt for 2:2 Hunters Ladder

A lot of players like myself have been playing this game for many years. There's a certain nostalgia factor that comes into play when we are able to play old maps, especially with new players.Lost Temple is one example of many maps that are no longer played by many skilled map makers.I have recently been playing Hunters 1:1 on iCCup Ladder. The games that unfold tend to be very scrappy and micro oriented, with lower economy based strategies. I've had a lot of fun.I wish I could extend my ladder experience to LT/Hunters, if only just to "bring back the old days". Playing non-ladder with iCCup and Fish being an option is very uninteresting for me. Many people are opposed to playing LT in general... it surely is old compared to Python/FS, and might have some imbalances... but many maps do. We should have the option.What do you guys/girls think? I feel if we can get some kind of data, whether large or small, we might be able to support a decent case for the return of LT. I plan on compiling some votes and contacting admins there.It saddening to know that I took an 8-9 year break from Brood War, only to come back to see LT has been discardedThanks, keep playing on!My next effort will be an attempt for 2:2 Hunters Ladder from the days of: TheMarine [NC]...YellOw [H.O.T.]-Forever99 OgOgO [_MuMyung_] ChRh PlayGrrrr.... SlayerS_`BoxeR` [Oops]Reach [ReD]NaDa [DF]zergboy..!! Pusan[S.G] Nal_rA GARIMTO SSamJJang ChoJJa JinSu Silent_Control iloveoov H_PauL_WII JulyZerg [DaK]JoYo

Dante08 Profile Blog Joined February 2008 Singapore 3687 Posts #2 Yeah I wouldn't mind LT as a Terran

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8229 Posts #3 If I remember correctly there was some sort of map limit for the pool, like 25? Although I do remember reading at some point that this got fixed/extended, so I'm not sure... The argument about LT being removed was pretty heated, that I know for sure.



I for one think that if it is no hassle to bring it back, I'd love to see it in the pool. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

JungleTerrain Profile Joined January 2012 Chile 784 Posts #4 On March 13 2017 14:28 Jealous wrote:

If I remember correctly there was some sort of map limit for the pool, like 25? Although I do remember reading at some point that this got fixed/extended, so I'm not sure... The argument about LT being removed was pretty heated, that I know for sure.



I for one think that if it is no hassle to bring it back, I'd love to see it in the pool.



the limit is 50 maps. The server has had that limitation since like 2006-2007 cuz Yello-ant didn't foresee this problem (maybe)? Pretty ridiculous imo. I'm sure there's a way somebody can change that.



LT might be fun and nostalgic (I definitely agree), and if there was no limit on the mappool i definitely think it should be included. But from a competitive standpoint the map has some fundamental imbalances, there are also other issues like positional imbalance and the gas issue in the mains (in most versions of LT, these were never fixed).



So then the question is not SHOULD LT BE IN THE MAP PACK?, but WHAT MAP SHOULD LT REPLACE IN THE MAP PACK? if that makes sense.



So you need to come up with maps that are 1) seldom used, or 2) competitively unviable (equal or more than LT). These would be contenders to be up for replacement.



Unless you want to argue that at least a few maps in the map pack should be "old school" and "fun", which doesn't sound like too bad of an idea, considering that the vast majority of the 50 maps are rarely played. Most people play on FS, CB, etc. the limit is 50 maps. The server has had that limitation since like 2006-2007 cuz Yello-ant didn't foresee this problem (maybe)? Pretty ridiculous imo. I'm sure there's a way somebody can change that.LT might be fun and nostalgic (I definitely agree), and if there was no limit on the mappool i definitely think it should be included. But from a competitive standpoint the map has some fundamental imbalances, there are also other issues like positional imbalance and the gas issue in the mains (in most versions of LT, these were never fixed).So then the question isSHOULD LT BE IN THE MAP PACK?, but WHAT MAP SHOULD LT REPLACE IN THE MAP PACK? if that makes sense.So you need to come up with maps that are 1) seldom used, or 2) competitively unviable (equal or more than LT). These would be contenders to be up for replacement.Unless you want to argue that at least a few maps in the map pack should be "old school" and "fun", which doesn't sound like too bad of an idea, considering that the vast majority of the 50 maps are rarely played. Most people play on FS, CB, etc. www.broodwarmaps.net

mca64Launcher_ Profile Joined June 2015 Poland 629 Posts #5 bring back LT and i will back to sc and realese new mca64Laucher!

kogeT Profile Joined September 2013 Poland 1645 Posts #6 Of course bring it back. If people don't want to play it, they won't play it.. LT best map. https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw

chrisolo Profile Joined May 2009 Germany 2516 Posts #7 On March 13 2017 14:20 Th1rdEye wrote:

My next effort will be an attempt for 2:2 Hunters Ladder

My next effort will be an attempt for 2:2 Hunters Ladder



You do realize you can play 2v2 ladder on hunters? If you can host, you can play hunters only, but please for god's sake no hunters only 2on2 ladder. 2on2 on hunters is so lame and uninteresting compared to normal 2on2...

You do realize you can play 2v2 ladder on hunters? If you can host, you can play hunters only, but please for god's sake no hunters only 2on2 ladder. 2on2 on hunters is so lame and uninteresting compared to normal 2on2... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LittLeLives Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 691 Posts Last Edited: 2017-03-13 10:13:42 #8

Dunno what it'd replace though. Are there play data available?



Here are the current ladder maps for discussion.

+ Show Spoiler + Andromeda 1.0_iCCup.scx

Avalon 0.93_iCCup.scx

Aztec 2.1_iCCup.scx

Beltway 2.0_iCCup.scx

Benzene 1.1_iCCup.scx

Bloody Ridge 2.1_iCCup.scx

Blue Storm 1.2_iCCup.scx

Chain Reaction 2.0_iCCup.scx

Circuit Breaker 1.0_iCCup.scx

Colosseum 2.0_iCCup.scx

Cross Game 1.06_iCCup.scx

Dante's Peak 2.0_iCCup.scx

Demian 1.02_iCCup.scx

Desertec 1.0_iCCup.scx

Destination 1.1_iCCup.scx

Eddy 1.02_iCCup.scx

Electric Circuit 2.1_iCCup.scx

Empire of the Sun 2.0_iCCup.scx

Eye of the Storm 1.0_iCCup.scx

Fighting Spirit 1.3_iCCup.scx

Fortress 2.0_iCCup.scx

Gemlong 1.0_iCCup.scx

Grandline 2.2_iCCup.scx

Ground Zero 2.0_iCCup.scx

Heartbeat 1.06_iCCup.scx

Heartbreak Ridge 2.1_iCCup.scx

Hunters 1.1_iCCup.scx

Icarus 1.0_iCCup.scx

Jade 2.1_iCCup.scx

La Mancha 1.1_iCCup.scx

Latin Quarter 1.0_iCCup.scx

Longinus 2.0_iCCup.scx

Luna 2.1_iCCup.scx

Match Point 1.3_iCCup.scx

Medusa 2.2_iCCup.scx

Mist 1.0_iCCup.scx

Othello 1.1_iCCup.scx

Outsider 2.2_iCCup.scx

Overwatch 2.1_iCCup.scx

Pathfinder 1.0_iCCup.scx

Polaris Rhapsody 1.0_iCCup.scx

Python 1.3_iCCup.scx

Queensbridge 1.3_iCCup.scx

Resonance 1.0_iCCup.scx

Roadkill 1.08_iCCup.scx

Sniper Ridge 2.0_iCCup.scx

Tau Cross 1.0_iCCup.scx

Toad Stone 1.3_iCCup.scx

Tornado 2.2_iCCup.scx

Wind and Cloud 2.2_iCCup.scx Iron Curtain for 2:2Dunno what it'd replace though. Are there play data available?Here are the current ladder maps for discussion.

HaN- Profile Blog Joined June 2009 France 1822 Posts #9 How does the iccup maps selection process works?

Does one man basically picks whatever he feels like should be motw? Calendar

Anyx Profile Joined March 2011 Slovakia 34 Posts #10 I have memories on LT. Nostalgia feeling. But definitely i voted NO.

Th1rdEye Profile Blog Joined December 2006 United States 1069 Posts #11 Ouch. All you people who voted no probably instantly went online to go play a nice fresh game of Fighting Spirit from the days of: TheMarine [NC]...YellOw [H.O.T.]-Forever99 OgOgO [_MuMyung_] ChRh PlayGrrrr.... SlayerS_`BoxeR` [Oops]Reach [ReD]NaDa [DF]zergboy..!! Pusan[S.G] Nal_rA GARIMTO SSamJJang ChoJJa JinSu Silent_Control iloveoov H_PauL_WII JulyZerg [DaK]JoYo

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #12 i want arkanoid !

Th1rdEye Profile Blog Joined December 2006 United States 1069 Posts #13 On March 13 2017 17:32 mca64Launcher_ wrote:

bring back LT and i will back to sc and realese new mca64Laucher!



Yea I can see why wasting your time making FightingSpiritLauncher64 would seem pointless Yea I can see why wasting your time making FightingSpiritLauncher64 would seem pointless from the days of: TheMarine [NC]...YellOw [H.O.T.]-Forever99 OgOgO [_MuMyung_] ChRh PlayGrrrr.... SlayerS_`BoxeR` [Oops]Reach [ReD]NaDa [DF]zergboy..!! Pusan[S.G] Nal_rA GARIMTO SSamJJang ChoJJa JinSu Silent_Control iloveoov H_PauL_WII JulyZerg [DaK]JoYo

IntoTheStorm Profile Blog Joined October 2016 101 Posts #14 I had to do a shuttle every pvt so I had decent shuttle micro back then so I'd play it. LT was cool, even with protoss.I had to do a shuttle every pvt so I had decent shuttle micro back then so I'd play it.

EndingLife Profile Blog Joined December 2002 United States 1388 Posts #15 Bring it back. Some people still play for fun...

chicbot2000 Profile Joined February 2017 United States 45 Posts #16 why are you making a poll for iccup map pool on TL? do it on their forums. Also, no to LT due to its age and antique design well thought out signature that totally fires those neurons

Dazed. Profile Blog Joined March 2008 Canada 3301 Posts Last Edited: 2017-03-13 15:09:27 #17 Are we even close to map limit? Most of the maps arent played regardless. You could shave off the bottom ten and no body would notice except people who want to argue. Lost temple can easily fit, the ICCUP admins are just incompetent buffoons. But they always have been, so whatever. Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.

CognacLover Profile Joined January 2016 Poland 66 Posts #18

http://iccup.com/dota/community/thread/820359/ I gave up after iCCup admins didn't keep their promises and let back it if enough ppl voted for it. Conservative olsdchooler.

mdb Profile Blog Joined February 2003 Bulgaria 4056 Posts #19 Yeah, bring it back for sure.

Trozz Profile Blog Joined November 2008 Canada 3334 Posts #20 Tank drops are too real.

That said, rax floating is great.

Just ask boxer fans. A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.

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