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LegendaryActivity: 2380Merit: 3253How much alt coin diversification is needed? 0%? Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 12, 2016, 08:37:03 AM #1721 Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on May 12, 2016, 07:28:22 AM

Read this JJG: http://blog.earthbenign.com/post/143966444120/dr-craig-wright-very-well-could-be-satoshi

We don't need to weigh ourselves down with all the mumbo jumbo baloney arguments about how Wright could be Satoshi - because that kind of pursuit remains a big ass waste of time.



I'm not trying to be dismissive of the whole idea, but really it is just a ridiculous waste of time, and I believe that I already made several of my own observations and arguments regarding the case.. and why repeat those arguments?



The main argument is that there a lot of easy ways that Craig Wright would be able to prove that he is Satoshi, if he really were, and he is simply not engaging in any of those straight forward proofs.



Unless there is some new proof, I find it a bad use of our time and our brain power to consider such distractions... so let's move on. We don't need to weigh ourselves down with all the mumbo jumbo baloney arguments about how Wright could be Satoshi - because that kind of pursuit remains a big ass waste of time.I'm not trying to be dismissive of the whole idea, but really it is just a ridiculous waste of time, and I believe that I already made several of my own observations and arguments regarding the case.. and why repeat those arguments?The main argument is that there a lot of easy ways that Craig Wright would be able to prove that he is Satoshi, if he really were, and he is simply not engaging in any of those straight forward proofs.Unless there is some new proof, I find it a bad use of our time and our brain power to consider such distractions... so let's move on. Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA



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LegendaryActivity: 1274Merit: 1002 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 05:53:30 AM

Last edit: May 13, 2016, 07:26:18 AM by hdbuck #1723





Code: asciilifeform: $up luke-jr

deedbot: luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: what brings you here luke-jr ?

luke-jr: so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here

luke-jr: is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?

asciilifeform: luke-jr: what's in your hardfork ?

luke-jr: asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here)

asciilifeform: well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ?

luke-jr: (unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions)

asciilifeform: normally folks going hard-forking have some specific idea of why...

luke-jr: asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing

mircea_popescu: luke-jr do your reading.

mircea_popescu: also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege.

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luke-jr: asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding

mircea_popescu: $down luke-jr

mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12





So to be precise, the hard fork plan is only to reassure "the-throwing-VC-money-and-bossing-around-industry" control freaks that they can manage it.



Next drama in sight... because bitcoin isnt funny without fud and division.So to be precise, the hard fork plan is only to reassure "the-throwing-VC-money-and-bossing-around-industry" control freaks that they can manage it.

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LegendaryActivity: 2660Merit: 2643Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 06:25:29 AM #1724 Quote from: hdbuck on May 13, 2016, 05:53:30 AM Next drama in sight... because bitcoin isnt funny without fud and division.

The idea behind Classic is useless at the moment. Why would someone opt for a solution that does something in a certain way, when there's a solution (segwit) that does it in a much better way and comes with additional benefits? It does seem like we can't really take a break from the drama. Seems like the community constantly jumps from one thing to another. The idea behind Classic is useless at the moment. Why would someone opt for a solution that does something in a certain way, when there's a solution (segwit) that does it in a much better way and comes with additional benefits? It does seem like we can't really take a break from the drama. Seems like the community constantly jumps from one thing to another.

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LegendaryActivity: 2842Merit: 2279 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 07:02:23 AM #1725 Dunno Lauda re: drama, having stepped away for a short while, more 2MB2MB2MB chatter is becoming less coherent by the day. I heard someone say the other day, "oh, are they still beating that dead horse?". Desperation begets desperation, sadly. It's a little embarrassing to watch, which is why I've begun to mostly ignore it. Suffering is undignified, either displaying it or watching it happen. Let it die in peace. Vires in numeris

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LegendaryActivity: 1274Merit: 1002 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 07:11:40 AM

Last edit: May 13, 2016, 08:17:52 AM by hdbuck #1726 As luke admits it, the fork only aims at showing "the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing".



It has never been about blocksize or anything but governance.



If only it was for some security reason, surely a HF would have naturally be adopted, yet here the situation is different and only serves the marketing purpose of parasitic corporations interests.

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StaffLegendaryActivity: 3178Merit: 4299 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 07:55:18 AM #1727 It's just that a couple of well meaning dipshits went to China a few months back to learn and educate about the issues and managed to let themselves get locked in a room until 3-4 am until they would personally agree to propose some hardfork after segwit. They're now struggling to accomplish the seemingly impossible task of upholding their agreement (even though it was made under duress and even though f2pool immediately violated it) while obeying their personal convictions and without losing the respect of the technical community. All this struggle is based on the mistaken idea that anyone external to the project cares what they personally committed to work on...



I think it's a shame, since with Wright's fraud behind us, I think the biggest behind the scenes driver of this drama is likely gone. But one should never under-estimate the bitcoin community's ability to keep cutting itself even after the external assaults tone down.



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LegendaryActivity: 1358Merit: 1004 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 12:52:30 PM #1730 I think things are going slowly back to normal or at least to more healthy environment. When I open reddit I don't see the frontpage being flooded with block size threads anymore, and not even Craig Wright stories which is a very recent event. I think things are looking great and core dev continue making a good job. The last thing I saw that puzzled me a bit is theymos saying that the best solution to solve the potential quantum attack against the old addresses in the future might be destroying said bitcoins. I think this is a mistake and may be used by classic camp to re-ignite the already stagnating fire. Then again I dont know the details and feel like im missing something so I would like some sort of explanation. If there is a way to change the algorithm and make those old addresses safe why would he say this?

It would be interesting to know gmax view on this thing.

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LegendaryActivity: 1274Merit: 1002 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 02:42:00 PM #1731

inb4 classic dramaqueers be like: "hard fork was the plan all along but it didnt happen because core devs lied and so bitcoin will fail. dooooom!"







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LegendaryActivity: 994Merit: 1027 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 02:56:25 PM #1732 Quote from: Lauda on May 13, 2016, 12:22:57 PM Quote from: gmaxwell on May 13, 2016, 07:55:18 AM It's just that a couple of well meaning dipshits went to China a few months back to learn and educate about the issues and managed to let themselves get locked in a room until 3-4 am until they would personally agree to propose some hardfork after segwit.

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Isn't the wording used here a bit too harsh? I do wonder how their proposal is going to look like though.

Isn't the wording used here a bit too harsh? I do wonder how their proposal is going to look like though.

Harsh , but form some of lukes recent comments he is probably calling himself that as he regrets the honest effort he made to bring consensus to the community. He vows to write the code by july 2016, whether the community accepts his proposal or not is a completely different matter. Harsh , but form some of lukes recent comments he is probably calling himself that as he regrets the honest effort he made to bring consensus to the community. He vows to write the code by july 2016, whether the community accepts his proposal or not is a completely different matter.

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LegendaryActivity: 2380Merit: 3253How much alt coin diversification is needed? 0%? Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 04:34:59 PM #1735 Quote from: hdbuck on May 13, 2016, 02:42:00 PM

inb4 classic dramaqueers be like: "hard fork was the plan all along but it didnt happen because core devs lied and so bitcoin will fail. dooooom!"







In essence, neither a hard fork nor a 2 mg size limit needs to happen at this time, and really the hong kong agreement seemed to be pretty good to generally address the issue and to keep the framework generally vague enough in order to allow for flexibility and assessment.



Technically, bitcoin has been working fine, and really it is likely going to take a while to see how the implementation of seg wit plays out and accordingly whether an actual hard increase to the blocksize limit is necessary... in spite of all the shouting asserting that such a limit increase is absolutely necessary.



It seems that the passage of time has shown that the blocksize limit situation is not as bad as the naysayer big blockers have been asserting, and the Wright shenanigans has also played out as kind of a big blocker alliance and some discrediting of some big blockers to show their bad judgement, including Gavin. In essence, neither a hard fork nor a 2 mg size limit needs to happen at this time, and really the hong kong agreement seemed to be pretty good to generally address the issue and to keep the framework generally vague enough in order to allow for flexibility and assessment.Technically, bitcoin has been working fine, and really it is likely going to take a while to see how the implementation of seg wit plays out and accordingly whether an actual hard increase to the blocksize limit is necessary... in spite of all the shouting asserting that such a limit increase is absolutely necessary.It seems that the passage of time has shown that the blocksize limit situation is not as bad as the naysayer big blockers have been asserting, and the Wright shenanigans has also played out as kind of a big blocker alliance and some discrediting of some big blockers to show their bad judgement, including Gavin. Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA



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Full MemberActivity: 181Merit: 100 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 04:49:00 PM

Last edit: May 13, 2016, 05:36:08 PM by beastmodeBiscuitGravy #1736 Quote from: hdbuck on May 13, 2016, 05:53:30 AM





Code: asciilifeform: $up luke-jr

deedbot: luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: what brings you here luke-jr ?

luke-jr: so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here

luke-jr: is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?

asciilifeform: luke-jr: what's in your hardfork ?

luke-jr: asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here)

asciilifeform: well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ?

luke-jr: (unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions)

asciilifeform: normally folks going hard-forking have some specific idea of why...

luke-jr: asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing

mircea_popescu: luke-jr do your reading.

mircea_popescu: also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege.

shinohai makes popcorn

luke-jr: asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding

mircea_popescu: $down luke-jr

mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12





So to be precise, the hard fork plan is only to reassure "the-throwing-VC-money-and-bossing-around-industry" control freaks that they can manage it.





Next drama in sight... because bitcoin isnt funny without fud and division.So to be precise, the hard fork plan is only to reassure "the-throwing-VC-money-and-bossing-around-industry" control freaks that they can manage it.

Seeing Luke grovel like a fool in front of Mircea and his handful of irc lackeys...



Gregory calling Adam, Luke, and Peter dipshits...



The JJG infection spreading and metastasizing in iCE's very own treehouse...



*Advocates of Bitcoin's Great Purge unfazed as their arguments are reduced to hurling accusations of "Bankster Trolls!"



Does this day get any more perversely satisfying?



Seeing Luke grovel like a fool in front of Mircea and his handful of irc lackeys...Gregory calling Adam, Luke, and Peter dipshits...The JJG infection spreading and metastasizing in iCE's very own treehouse...*Advocates of Bitcoin's Great Purge unfazed as their arguments are reduced to hurling accusations of "Bankster Trolls!"Does this day get any more perversely satisfying?

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LegendaryActivity: 2842Merit: 2279 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 13, 2016, 05:00:46 PM #1737



Bankster Trolls hit new lows in attempting to control the narrative, such as they're incapable of affecting Bitcoin in any other way



But you were right about one thing, today is a great day in light of how Bitcoin is developing You forgot to mention:But you were right about one thing, today is a great day in light of how Bitcoin is developing Vires in numeris