Victor Davis Hanson said former special counsel Robert Mueller was oblivious when he testified to the House Judiciary Committee and House Intelligence Committee on Wednesday. Hanson said his testimony confirmed that he was just a figurehead and being used by a partisan group who "hijacked his conservative name."



"All this Bob Mueller reputation was not proved by any reality," Hanson told FOX News' Laura Ingraham. "Anything he said to the public or any meetings he had with the Trump legal team, who were supposedly not as educated, not as Ivy League as the dream team, the all-stars, the pros that we were told. And yet an actual performance and actual meritocratic barometers of effectiveness, the Trump team outfoxed them. They were better lawyers."





Hanson said Mueller was supposed to make something illegitimate look legitimate and make a "partisan progressive project" look conservative. In the end, Hanson said, Mueller and his team weren't able to prove anything other than a "thought crime."



"He didn't produce documents, he didn't fire anybody. So what are we left with in the end, the Democrats in the committee were talking about a thought crime. It's not against the law to think things. That's a Soviet Orwellian tradition, that's not an American jurisprudence tradition," Hanson said.



"Bob Mueller reputation was supposed to do two things. It was supposed to put an imprimatur of legitimacy on something that was illegitimate, and it was supposed to make a partisan progressive project look like it was conservative," Hanson said.





LAURA INGRAHAM, FOX NEWS: Joining me now is Victor Davis Hanson, Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute. Victor, I mean we've mulled this over a little bit tonight, but the partisan team he assembled underlying specificity of the events seemed to just go woo, right over his head.



Your thoughts after watching this and the demoralized Democrats, at least the ones who are honest all over cable television tonight.



VICTOR DAVIS HANSON, MARTIN AND ILLIE ANDERSON SENIOR FELLOW, HOOVER INSTITUTION: Well I think some of them had watched the Watergate, the Iran- Contra and the Clinton impeachment hearings, they'd never seen anything even remotely similar to this.



Robert Mueller wasn't just confused, he was oblivious, so he knew nothing and it sort of confirmed the narrative that he was a figurehead that was used by a partisan group that had hijacked his conservative name.



And what we were left with was that Donald Trump rails occasionally, he rants, maybe he even swears to his aides, but he's he didn't ever order or he didn't ever succeed in impeding an investigation. He didn't - not produce documents, he didn't fire anybody. So what are we left with in the end, the Democrats in the committee were talking about a thought crime.



It's not against the law to think things. That's a Soviet Orwellian tradition, that's not an American jurisprudence tradition. We don't convict people for thinking things and that's what the Democrats were trying to say, that no evidence that he actually did anything wrong, but he had these bad thoughts. That's not going to fly at all.



And where are we left in the end, Laura, is that we've got a different type of caliber, a different caliber of Attorney General or prosecutors coming up, we've got William Barr and John Durham and Michael Horowitz, and I think they're going to be a little bit more informed than Robert Mueller.



But more importantly, they're going to have a real topic to discuss. There's real collusion there, because after all what we're really talking about, what created Robert Mueller was the effort of Hillary Clinton through three firewalls, the DNC, Perkins Coie and GPS to hire a foreign national, Christopher Steele, to hire other foreign nationals to warp a U.S. election. That was what - that's what it's all about.



INGRAHAM: That's the actual collusion.



DAVIS HANSON: And these three next investigations - yes, it is, that's all it is, there was never anything else. This was all a front or an effort of a group of lawyers that were partisan to use Robert Mueller to get to shy away from this reality.



But this reality in the next 14 months is going to come drip drip drip and the investigators are going to be investigated and the optics are going to be reversed, and I think that explains the sheer terror on the look of those Democratic complicitors today--



INGRAHAM: Oh no, they are freaking - they are--



DAVIS HANSON: They couldn't believe Robert Mueller, yes.



INGRAHAM: No, no, they are like any type of sedative or antidepressant, you better - the pharmaceutical companies were smiling today. I have to ask you a question that I raised earlier, Victor, about this buildup of people. And you and I have talked about this before, the elites protect each other, so being an elite means never having to say you're sorry when you're wrong.



So if you're a member of the Republican establishment and you're Paul Wolfowitz, you don't have to apologize for Iraq. If you're Greenspan and you pushed WTO in China and missed the housing bubble, you never have to apologize. And if you are the people who built up Bob Mueller as this demigod, you never have to apologize. And we were all supposed to just sit back and say, whatever he says, we're going to hold dear. But Trump has outfoxed the elites at every turn.



DAVIS HANSON: He has. In the American tradition you're only as good as you're last day of work. And all this Bob Mueller reputation was not proved by any reality. Anything he said to the public or any meetings he had with the Trump legal team, who were supposedly not as educated, not as Ivy League as the dream team, the all-stars, the pros that we were told. And yet an actual performance and actual meritocratic barometers of effectiveness, the Trump team outfoxed them. They were better lawyers.



And so yes, you're right. Bob Mueller reputation was supposed to do two things. It was supposed to put an imprimatur of legitimacy on something that was illegitimate, and it was supposed to make a partisan progressive project look like it was conservative. And Bob Mueller, just to finish, Laura, I know it's kind of an esoteric reference. He reminded me in a tragic way of the "Lord of the Ring" figure, King Theoden, who is befuddled. He's a king, but he has no idea where he is. And he wasn't like James Comey who went into the House Intelligence Committee on 250 occasions and said he didn't know or he couldn't remember. Robert Mueller really couldn't remember. He didn't know.



INGRAHAM: And I've got to say, you look at Bob Barr -- Bill Barr, excuse me, you look at Emmet Flood, Mnuchin, Bob Lighthizer, these are people with real skill and have results to back it up. The elites in the establishment, they have screwed up more things for this country, and Trump has proven this once again. Victor, thank you so much.