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Full MemberActivity: 126Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 08, 2013, 09:27:22 PM #6



Section 922.132 a.2



http://montereybay.noaa.gov/intro/mp/regs.html#prohibitions







Mooring one of these:







in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary will be an interesting exercise in dealing with 14+ different oversight agencies. I recommend a careful study and discussion of how BlueSeed will comply withSection 922.132 a.2Mooring one of these:in the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary will be an interesting exercise in dealing with 14+ different oversight agencies. Every little BTC helps. 14P3TfbttSpQ3BxUjwrUrmNU6F4mB9aMS5

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Full MemberActivity: 126Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 08, 2013, 09:46:43 PM #8



Here is a link to the point forecast for your advertised location

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?w0=t&w1=td&w2=hi&w3=sfcwind&w3u=0&w4=sky&w5=pop&w6=rh&w9=swlp&w10=swlm&w11=swlp2&w12=swlm2&w13=wwh&w14=wvh&w15=fzgspy&AheadHour=0&Submit=Submit&FcstType=graphical&textField1=37.46500&textField2=-122.76000&site=all&unit=0&dd=0&bw=0&marine=1



Here is a link to the nearest meto buoy.



http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=46012



Here is a link to the Climatic Summary Plot for peak wind gust:



http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/view_climplot.php?station=46012&meas=pw



And finally significant wave heights:



http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/view_climplot.php?station=46012&meas=wh



The pretty pictures on your website do no justice to the wind, temperatures and sea state 12 nm off the coast of CA.



It would be good to not end up like these guys who were racing around the Farallon Islands.







You might also want to make sure your graphics reflect the actual expected conditions of your planned location.Here is a link to the point forecast for your advertised locationHere is a link to the nearest meto buoy.Here is a link to the Climatic Summary Plot for peak wind gust:And finally significant wave heights:The pretty pictures on your website do no justice to the wind, temperatures and sea state 12 nm off the coast of CA.It would be good to not end up like these guys who were racing around the Farallon Islands. Every little BTC helps. 14P3TfbttSpQ3BxUjwrUrmNU6F4mB9aMS5

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Last edit: May 08, 2013, 10:26:29 PM by Elwar #10 Quote from: Anon136 on May 08, 2013, 09:44:37 PM my biggest concern is how you plan to deal with hostile governments. If an anonymous torpedo were to happen to be fired from an unknown submarine would you have any means to protect yourselves? If you dont think this is at all likely to happen than why not? I mean surely you are doing something that governments dont like here, or else they never would have created the laws that forced you into international waters to begin with.



A submarine coming into US waters shooting a torpedo at a ship flying a US flag?



I think someone would have something to say about that.



Edit: It appears that they will be using a more freedom friendly nation for their flag. But they are still within the US's EEZ. A submarine coming into US waters shooting a torpedo at a ship flying a US flag?I think someone would have something to say about that.Edit: It appears that they will be using a more freedom friendly nation for their flag. But they are still within the US's EEZ. First seastead company actually selling sea homes: Ocean Builders https://ocean.builders Of course we accept bitcoin.

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Hero MemberActivity: 525Merit: 505My other Avatar is also Scrooge McDuck Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 08, 2013, 10:02:37 PM #11 Hi Dan! Thanks for the opportunity to ask questions directly.



The most obvious question I'm sure you'll need to answer at bitcoin2013 is: what currency will be dominant onboard? Will items in the shops there, such as food, be denominated in USD but BTC is just as welcome/preferred? Will companies use BTC to trade between each other for B2B services?



It should go without saying that if you could somehow make BTC the Primary currency onboard, blueseed would be doing bitcoin a HUGE service to help stabilize and legitimize the fledgling currency.



The prospect that interests me the most here is about a possible tenant onboard offering bitcoin services like an exchange to rival MtGox. (Or something even more shady, like Casino.) Assuming you have no problems with energy nor internet connections, I wonder if there are any bitcoin-central business models that would have an advantage in that environment?



Best of luck to you and the boat. I hope to visit it myself. Luke Parker

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LegendaryActivity: 1666Merit: 1211 Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 08, 2013, 10:30:10 PM #13 Quote from: Elwar on May 08, 2013, 09:59:35 PM Quote from: Anon136 on May 08, 2013, 09:44:37 PM my biggest concern is how you plan to deal with hostile governments. If an anonymous torpedo were to happen to be fired from an unknown submarine would you have any means to protect yourselves? If you dont think this is at all likely to happen than why not? I mean surely you are doing something that governments dont like here, or else they never would have created the laws that forced you into international waters to begin with.



A submarine coming into US waters shooting a torpedo at a ship flying a US flag?



I think someone would have something to say about that.



Edit: It appears that they will be using a more freedom friendly nation for their flag. But they are still within the US's EEZ.

A submarine coming into US waters shooting a torpedo at a ship flying a US flag?I think someone would have something to say about that.Edit: It appears that they will be using a more freedom friendly nation for their flag. But they are still within the US's EEZ.

im more worried about the US than anything else. Its US laws that this is attempting to circumvent.



the bluesseed wouldn't really need a way to stop this sort of attack, all they would need is a way to identify the attacker. If they could do that than i expect they would be perfectly safe. im more worried about the US than anything else. Its US laws that this is attempting to circumvent.the bluesseed wouldn't really need a way to stop this sort of attack, all they would need is a way to identify the attacker. If they could do that than i expect they would be perfectly safe.

If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041 If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?

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LegendaryActivity: 1708Merit: 1000 Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 08, 2013, 11:21:27 PM #15 Blueseed will be no worse, nor better, protected from unidentifiable attacks than any other naval vessel in international waters. Admirality law applies in this context, and firing upon any ship flying a legally recognizable flag is an act of war. That doesn't mean that it can't happen, but there are a number of less risky methods of undermining the Blueseed project than attacking the ship itself. With the right kind of insurance coverage, sinking the ship won't even end the project. Just make sure that the underwriting company is a major US corporation, so any losses that Blueseed takes can be translated directly into tax losses for the US tax base. "The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."



- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'

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LegendaryActivity: 1666Merit: 1211 Re: [ANN] Bitcoin on Blueseed, the international waters startup ship May 09, 2013, 12:42:45 AM #17 Quote from: MoonShadow on May 08, 2013, 11:21:27 PM Blueseed will be no worse, nor better, protected from unidentifiable attacks than any other naval vessel in international waters. Admirality law applies in this context, and firing upon any ship flying a legally recognizable flag is an act of war. That doesn't mean that it can't happen, but there are a number of less risky methods of undermining the Blueseed project than attacking the ship itself. With the right kind of insurance coverage, sinking the ship won't even end the project. Just make sure that the underwriting company is a major US corporation, so any losses that Blueseed takes can be translated directly into tax losses for the US tax base.



insurance duh.



thanks. insurance duh.thanks.

If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041 If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?