Query with TorrReq (5f6bf2d1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.107.242.209)

23:24 TorrReq

hello, can I just ask you a simple question not related to Starbound?

23:24 Tiyuri

sure

23:25 TorrReq

why piracy is supported by poor people and not by the rich?

23:26 Tiyuri

I don't think someone's stance on piracy is entirely related to their income

23:27 TorrReq

oh ok thank you. at least a developer is aware of the reason why piracy will never be stopped.

23:27 Tiyuri

Being proud of piracy is foolish

23:29 TorrReq

in fact not foolish at all. thanks to it the people in 2nd and 3rd world countries knows about computers and enjoying as an equal to rich people, because they want to be in total internet darkess, you know what I mean.

23:30

they don't want*

23:31

so in other words, pirates are consideres heroes and well respected by community. ironic isn't it?

23:36 Tiyuri

No it's not ironic

23:36

Piracy is immoral, it's not black and white, there are shades of grey. For some people it's less immoral than others. But it is always immoral

23:36

and it's certainly not something to be proud of

23:37 TorrReq

for me it is. in developed countries pirates are haunted to death and hated from most people, but in other countries they are honored and respected. to me it seems ironic

23:38 Tiyuri

Presumably, because you're pirating video games, you enjoy video games

23:38

Which means, you would like developers to continue making more video games. Especially those developers that produce software you choose to pirate

23:39

The thing is, you're making that more difficult for them. And if everyone did what you do, then the developers wouldn't be able to produce any more games at all.

23:39 TorrReq

and what's bad here? at least poor people thanks me for making their internet lifes better. I care for them!

23:39

you aren't losing money anyway

23:40

you get a lot a lot of money, enough for a good future, for you and your kids

23:41 Tiyuri

The amount of money I do, or do not make is irrelevant. I work hard to sustain myself and to produce games for people who appreciate my work enough to pay for it.

23:41 TorrReq

you get the money from your own country's people and from other developed countries. so this shoudn't be a concern, you earn a lot of money go for a great living for life, so no problem

23:42 Tiyuri

In no reality are you entitled to the product of my work for free

23:42

Do you think it's moral to steal crops from a farmer, just because the farmer isn't starving?

23:43 TorrReq

that's a physical object. not compared to virtual ones. I think the internet should be free. I have enough of paying the internet fees for months for example

23:44

and i wanted to know, in your logic the people in 3rd world countries should not enjoying their virtual lifes?

23:44 Tiyuri

That's absurd. If software was free, the majority of developers would need to cease developing it.

23:44

"Enjoying their virtual lives"

23:45

Video games are a luxury, not a neccessity, you aren't entitled to it.

23:45 TorrReq

yes. for them without piracy they wouldn't save a lot of money buying a computer. what you need a computer without the games and software after all?

23:46 Tiyuri

On top of that, there's a vast library of good cheap games, many are even free.

23:46

Your argument holds no water

23:46 TorrReq

they are not as good as full paid games, everyone knows that.

23:47

did you know in 3rd world countries there are no retail gaming shops and VERY few credit cards available?

23:47 Tiyuri

You're not stealing bread to feed your starving family here, you're refusing to compensate someone for their hard work, work that you admit you enjoy and you obviously value

23:48

But work that's a luxury to you

23:48 TorrReq

what do you mean?

23:50 Tiyuri

You don't NEED video games, you WANT them. They're not essential.

23:50 TorrReq

yes, indeed

23:51

all I want is a regional price based in the standard of a nation, 10$ is expensive for people in a country

23:51

I doubt you'll ever do that. that's a motive of pirating your game. like a protest

23:53 Tiyuri

It sounds like you're trying to justify your own wrong doing

23:54 TorrReq

for me it's not wrong, as it's not in my country.

23:54 Tiyuri

I don't think you speak for your entire country

23:55 TorrReq

on behalf of my fellow people, I officially request a localized price of Starbound.

23:55

yes, I speak for them, because I am born there, live there and I know the SITUATION there.

23:55 Tiyuri

your own moral failings do not reflect the morals of your entire country

23:55

were you elected to speak for your country?

23:56

or could it be that you have one, misguided opinion

23:56 TorrReq

it's not my own moral, it's of 99% of my people

23:56 Tiyuri

Did you take a survey?

23:56

how do you know 99% of your people agree with you?

23:56 TorrReq

official surveys of that kind don't exist

23:56 Tiyuri

Right, so you're making the number up

23:57

What country are you from?

23:57 TorrReq

because I know. there is not anti-piracy law

23:57

Albania

23:57 Tiyuri

You think because something isn't against the law, it's not immoral?

23:57 TorrReq

I have told you before, if you know any Albania emmigrant in UK, you ask him about internet piracy

23:58

and he will tell you the truth

23:58

because it's easy to understand, you don't believe me what's I'm saying

23:59

you just don't believe the economy of of my country. so, saying, you have to be here to understand.

00:00

that's why I'm asking you for a localized pricce

00:00

price*

00:00 Tiyuri

It's not a question of economy. It's a moral question. You don't deserve the software, you are not entitled to it, it is not a human right.

00:00

You don't need it

00:00

you simply want it and you don't want to pay for it

00:00 TorrReq

I would gladly pay for it IF it would be in a standarized price

00:00

of my country

00:01 Tiyuri

How much money do you save, in 1 month

00:01 TorrReq

to be sincere... I am saving money only for a good computer nothing else.

00:02 Tiyuri

how much does a good computer cost you

00:02 TorrReq

479EUR exactly

00:02

it will take few years to get it

00:03

if I am still continue my job

00:03 Tiyuri

2 years? 3?

00:03 TorrReq

yes, similar to that.

00:03 Tiyuri

ok so if you can save 479 euros in 2 years

00:04

that means you save $20 a month

00:04

sorry, 20 euros a month

00:04 TorrReq

yes

00:04 Tiyuri

thats 26 dollars

00:05

so, you could afford my game after 2 weeks of saving

00:05 TorrReq

don't tell me to save money for 10$ game. I only want to buy based of the economic standards of my country.

00:05

just like the other games

00:05 Tiyuri

2 weeks, for a luxury item, that you obviously want a lot

00:05

doesn't seem bad to me

00:05 TorrReq

no, ignore my last sentence

00:06

what's doesn't seem bad?

00:06 Tiyuri

requiring 2 weeks worth of saving for a luxury product you obviously value.

00:06

That is of course, assuming you don't spend any money on any other luxury items besides saving for your computer

00:07

but maybe you do, in which case maybe it'd only take you a week?

00:07

a few days?

00:07 TorrReq

yes, 2- 3 days actually for 3 - 4$ a game, based on standards here.

00:08 Tiyuri

Your argument is a terrible one, perhaps games are expensive in your country. Perhaps you pay more, relative to other countries. However, you aren't ENTITLED to the game. It's a luxury, so whatever the cost, you should either pay it or go without the game.

00:09 TorrReq

it's not expensive in my country. 3 - 4$ a game is a normal price for a game here.

00:10

why it is so unbelieveble to you, gosh

00:10 Tiyuri

So you can afford a 3-4$ game, but you're "taking a stand" against my 10$ software by pirating it?

00:11 TorrReq

yes, it's too overpriced in my country. that's why I requested a regional price

00:11

here prices based on the popularity of the game don't exist

00:12 Tiyuri

What's crazy about your stance on this, is that simply *not buying* the game seems an impossible outcome to you

00:12 TorrReq

for example 10$ for Terraria and 50$ for Diablo 3

00:13

what I want is I want to enjoy the game like other people in the world. why my country doesn't deserve a regional price like in your own country?

00:15 Tiyuri

Do you understand that when selling a game, you have to cover the cost of producing, publishing and distributing that game?

00:16 TorrReq

so you are saying you don't want to waste money in that particular country right?

00:16 Tiyuri

And if the regional price you're proposing doesn't do that, then it's simply unsustainable to distribute the game in your country

00:17

If a game is unavailable to buy in your region, then I could understand why you might pirate it, but it's still nothing to be proud of

00:18 TorrReq

then you should not be offended when we have piracy as an alternative, like the other 2nd and 3rd world countries.

00:19

so I got the final answering that there won't be regional prices. thank you.

00:19 Tiyuri

I am offended that you consider piracy something to be proud of

00:19

and no I haven't said one way or another if there will be regional pricing for Albania

00:20 TorrReq

well I know 100% there won't be regional pricing in Albania

00:20 Tiyuri

Then why ask me

00:23 TorrReq

but as I have told you before, it's not something we are proud of, but if I want to play the game I will get it one way or another, no one cares here and no will say you a bad thing. it's a virtual object, not a physicial one. that's how mentality works here. of course we would pay for physical disks

00:24

and if I could, I would donate a lot of money to crackers instead, because they think of poor people and to people who don't have a way to get the game legitimately with a standarized prices. they are GOOD people and have heart and are true humans

00:25

good bye