[Bitcoin-development] is there a way to do bitcoin-staging?

Coming back to the staging idea, maybe this is a realistic model that could work. The objective being to provide a way for bitcoin to move to a live beta and stable being worked on in parallel like fedora vs RHEL or odd/even linux kernel versions. Development runs in parallel on bitcoin 1.x beta (betacoin) and bitcoin 0.x stable and leap-frogs as beta becomes stable after testing. Its a live beta, meaning real value, real contracts. But we dont want it to be an alt-coin with a floating value exactly, we want it to be bitcoin, but the bleeding edge bitcoin so we want to respect the 21 million coin limit, and allow coins to move between bitcoin and betacoin with some necessary security related restrictions. There is no mining reward on the betacoin network (can be merge mined for security), and the way you opt to move a bitcoin into the betacoin network is to mark it as transferred in some UTXO recognized way. It cant be reanimated, its dead. (eg spend to a specific recognized invalid address on the bitcoin network). In this way its not really a destruction, but a move, moving the coin from bitcoin to betacoin network. This respects the 21 million coin cap, and avoids betacoin bugs flowing back and affecting bitcoin security or value-store properties. Users may buy or swap betacoin for bitcoin to facilitate moving money back from betacoin to bitcoin. However that is market priced so the bitcoin network is security insulated from beta. A significant security bug in beta would cause a market freeze, until it is rectified. The cost of a betacoin is capped at one BTC because no one will pay more than one bitcoin for a betacoin because they could alternatively move their own coin. The reverse is market priced. Once bitcoin beta stabalizes, eg say year or two type of time-frame, a decision is reached to promote 1.0 beta to 2.0 stable, the remaining bitcoins can be moved, and the old network switched off, with mining past a flag day moving to the betacoin. During the beta period betacoin is NOT an alpha, people can rely on it and use it in anger for real value transactions. eg if it enables more script features, or coin coloring, scalabity tweaks etc people can use it. Probably for large value store they are always going to prefer bitcoin-stable, but applications that need the coloring features, or advanced scripting etc can go ahead and beta. Bitcoin-stable may pull validated changes and merge them, as a way to pull in any features needed in the shorter term and benefit from the betacoin validation. (Testing isnt as much validation as real-money at stake survivability). The arguments are I think that: - it allows faster development allowing bitcoin to progress features faster, - it avoids mindshare dilution if alternatively an alt-coin with a hit missing feature takes off; - it concentrates such useful-feature alt activities into one OPEN source and OPEN control foundation mediated area (rather than suspected land grabs on colored fees or such like bitcoin respun as a business model things), - maybe gets the developers that would've been working on their pet alt-coin, or their startup alt-coin to work together putting more developers, testers and resources onto something with open control (open source does not necessarily mean that much) and bitcoin mindshare branding, its STILL bitcoin, its just the beta network. - it respects the 21 million limit, starting new mining races probably dillutes the artificial scarcity semantic - while insulating bitcoin from betacoin security defects (I dont mean betacoin as a testnet, it should have prudent rigorous testing like bitcoin, just the very act of adding a feature creates risk that bitcoin stable can be hesitant to take). Probably the main issue as always is more (trustable) very high caliber testers and developers. Maybe if the alt-coin minded startups and developers donate their time to bitcoin-beta (or bitcoin-stable) for the bits they are missing, we'll get more hands to work on something of reusable value to humanity, in parallel with their startup's objectives and as a way for them to get their needed features, while giving back to the bitcoin community, and helping bitcoin progress faster. Maybe bitcoin foundation could ask for BTC donations to hire more developers and testers full time. $1.5b of stored value should be interested to safe guard their value store, and develop the transaction features. Adam On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 02:34:06AM -0400, Alan Reiner wrote: > This is exactly what I was planning to do with the > inappropriately-named "Ultimate Blockchain Compression". [...] > > For it to really work, it's gotta be part of the mainnet validation > rules, but no way it can be evaluated realistically without some kind of > "staging". > On 5/19/2013 11:08 AM, Peter Vessenes wrote: > > I think this is a very interesting idea. As Bitcoiners, we often stuff > things into the 'alt chain' bucket in our heads; I wonder if this idea > works better as a curing period, essentially an extended version of the > current 100 block wait for mined coins.