Debian Bug report logs - #882085

cowsay: should not recommend cowsay-off

Reported by: Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:21:02 UTC Severity: wishlist Found in version cowsay/3.03+dfsg2-3 Fixed in version cowsay/3.03+dfsg2-4 Done: Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> Bug is archived. No further changes may be made.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:21:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> To: submit@bugs.debian.org Subject: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:10:20 +0100

Package: cowsay Version: 3.03+dfsg2-3 Severity: critical --- Please enter the report below this line. --- The package cowsay includes an ASCII representation of Zoophilia. The file in question is /usr/share/cowsay/cows/sodomized-sheep.cow This is a legal issue in many countries. Even if it's not well-defined by law if ASCII representations of Zoophilia are legal or not, I'd rather prefer not to take a chance being involved in a lawsuit when such a file could be found on my computer. Please remove the file from the packages as soon as possible. Thank you. All the best Felicia --- System information. --- Architecture: Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 Debian Release: buster/sid 500 testing www.deb-multimedia.org 500 testing ftp2.de.debian.org 500 testing devel.alephobjects.com 500 stable repository.spotify.com 500 stable repos.fds-team.de 500 stable repo.skype.com 500 stable repo.adminlounge.org 500 stable dl.google.com 500 stable deb.dovetail-automata.com 500 oldstable ftp2.de.debian.org 100 jessie-backports ftp.de.debian.org --- Package information. --- Depends (Version) | Installed =====================================-+-=========== libtext-charwidth-perl | 0.04-7.1 perl:any | Recommends (Version) | Installed =========================-+-=========== cowsay-off | 3.03+dfsg2-3 Suggests (Version) | Installed =======================-+-=========== filters |

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:51:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Alf Gaida <agaida@siduction.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 12:48:52 +0100

Hi, you tested it? And you read and understand the description of cowsay-off carefully? Explicit: the sheep is not part of the cowsay package - it is part of cowsay-off which is described as: > This package contains cows which some may consider to be offensive. > Please do not install this package if you or your users are easily > offended. Ok, it is a little bit tasteless - but no one is forced to install this package. My 2¢ Alf

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Sun, 19 Nov 2017 22:57:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 23:46:26 +0100

> Explicit: the sheep is not part of the cowsay package - it is part of > cowsay-off which is described as: > > This package contains cows which some may consider to be offensive. > > Please do not install this package if you or your users are easily > > offended. > Ok, it is a little bit tasteless - but no one is forced to install this > package. It's not about whether I find this package tasteless or offensive. It's about a legal issue outlined in my initial bug report. In fact, the package was installed since I have turned on install suggests. If this was done on purpose or accident is not open for debate. All the best Felicia

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 08:45:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Tehnic <tehnic@take3.ro> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:35:48 +0200

Hi, here are my 2¢: > Hi, > you tested it? And you read and understand the description of cowsay- off > carefully? > > Explicit: the sheep is not part of the cowsay package - it is part of > cowsay-off which is described as: > Ok, it is a little bit tasteless - but no one is forced to install this > package. Unfortunatly cowsay-off is a recommended package of cowsay, this is definitely questionable (i would consider it to be a bug)! About the legal issues: There are countries in which the possession of certain content is enough to be sentenced, in particular for example child pornography but also zoophilia. No distribution or "usage" is required. My suggestion: Make cowsay-off only suggested and ask for confirmation on install.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:06:10 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Dominik George <nik@naturalnet.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:54:34 +0100

> In fact, the package was installed since I have turned on install > suggests. If this was done on purpose or accident is not open for debate. It is. I'm sorry, but in fact, your concern should be that you are obviously unable to control what you install on your system. You can read a handbook on this topic - but please leave unrelated maintainers alone - they are not the support crew for your personal system's administration. The fix is to purge the package and look and think next time you install packages. -nik

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:09:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:07:01 +0100

> Make cowsay-off only suggested and ask for confirmation on install. I believe this is a reasonable course of action. I also have to apologize: I was under the impression that the Zoophilia representation was in cowsay, when in reality it was in cowsay-off. All the best Felicia

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:30:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Sebastian Elisa Pfeifer <sebastian.pfeifer@unicorncloud.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:17:23 +0100

Morning! > There are countries in which the possession of certain content is > enough to be sentenced, in particular for example child pornography but > also zoophilia. No distribution or "usage" is required. Debian Mirror Operator here. This could bring some legal problems for some of us, since we do not only possess it, but also distribute the package.. I know this is highly theoretical, but only because law enforcement in most countries probably don't know about Debian (<-- as a figure of speech of course). All the best Sebastian -- Sebastian Elisa Pfeifer Cyber Perikarp - Verein z. Förderung d. Netzkultur Wassertalweg 56 | 8670 Krieglach | AUSTRIA Vereinsregisternummer: 712531114 Datenverarbeitungsregister: 4016968 PGP Key ID: 0x923719A753677B95 EU-Transparenz-Registernummer: 334990728439-25 D-U-N-S® Nummer: 300530810 Phone: +43 3855 289 10 Fax: +43 3855 289 10 - 10 Mobile: +43 677 623 144 11 Jabber: deadda7a@fsfe.org

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:39:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Richard Wiedenhöft <richard@wiedenhoeft.xyz> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: RE: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:19:33 +0100

> Look and think next time you install packages A name like "cowsay-off" doesn't imply it contains obscene content. Executing apt-cache show on all packages you install is impractical. I suggest * Changing the name of the package to "cowsay-obscene" * Removing it from suggested packages for cowsay ~Richard

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:45:02 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:41:52 +0100

> Debian Mirror Operator here. This could bring some legal problems for > some of us, since we do not only possess it, but also distribute the > package.. I know this is highly theoretical, but only because law > enforcement in most countries probably don't know about Debian (<-- as a > figure of speech of course). I agree. Whilst the content of the file in question is debatable, the file name itself is not. In fact, "sodomized-sheep.cow" leaves no bug room for interpretation of the ASCII representation itself. A note to all those who try to troll me or the bug report because they read about it on fefe: It was created to protect unknowingly of legal actions, especially mirror operators or those who have install suggests and recommends on. If you find that "You're wasting the time of the maintainers", please refer to the Debian Code of Conduct [1], which includes, but is not limited to, those sections: - Be respectful - Assume good faith - Be open All the best Felicia [1] https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:48:06 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Johannes Schriewer <hallo@dunkelstern.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:36:00 +0100

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:54:34 +0100 Dominik George wrote: > > In fact, the package was installed since I have turned on install > > suggests. If this was done on purpose or accident is not open for debate. > > It is. I'm sorry, but in fact, your concern should be that you are obviously unable to control what you install on your system. You can read a handbook on this topic - but please leave unrelated maintainers alone - they are not the support crew for your personal system's administration. So what about mirrors in countries, where this is illegal (like germany), that get all packages automatically? Is there a way to exclude this illegal package? Wouldn’t it be easier to just remove that file and be done with it? > The fix is to purge the package and look and think next time you install packages. Will you inform the mirrors in countries that this is illegal? > > -nik

Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'critical' Request was from Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 09:51:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

Changed Bug title to 'cowsay: should not recommend cowsay-off' from '[cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia'. Request was from Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> to control@bugs.debian.org . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 10:00:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 11:57:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: "S.B." <boesl_stefan@yahoo.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:51:54 +0100

This depiction of a sodomised cow is not illigal in germany, because it is a work of art and so it is even protected by german law.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:18:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: "J. R. Schmid" <jrs@weitnahbei.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:10:22 +0100

You people are beyond me. Why in the world would you want a picture of a sheep (?) being forced (??) into sex (???) it quite likely does not want (????) in a distribution of computer programs (?????) even if there was no legal issue whatsoever. If you can judge by the number of question marks, this is a serious question. I'm looking forward to the attempt of a serious answer.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 13:27:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:21:57 +0100

Reluctantly commenting since this was brought to my attention, I think the following is useful to consider for this discussion: > Richard Wiedenhöft: A name like "cowsay-off" doesn't imply it contains > obscene content. I don't disagree, but the reason it's called *-off is because there was a long-standing fortunes-off package with "offensive" fortunes. See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769194 for the discussion on splitting out cowsay-off. I don't care what it's called, but whatever naming convention is used should be consistent across all of Debian. > J. R. Schmid: Why in the world would you want a picture of a sheep (?)[...] _________________________________________ / You do realize you're talking about a \ | program that allows an ASCII elephant | | to talk to you from inside a snake? The | | whole thing is created to be silly. I'm | | a user of one of these cowsay-off | | 'cows'. It's displayed on login along | \ with a quote as a type of potty humor. / ----------------------------------------- \ \ .... . ........ . . . . ....... ......... .............................. Elephant inside ASCII snake > J. R. Schmid: being forced (??) into sex (???) ________________________________________ / And while we're on the subject it's a \ | sodomized sheep, there's no suggestion | | that it's unconsensual. Just as this | | sheep on fire could have lit itself on | | fire. I tried to find out more but the | | sheep being made out of a bunch of | | ASCII characters was unavailable for | \ comment / ---------------------------------------- \ . . . \ . . . ` , \ .; . : .' : : : . \ i..`: i` i.i.,i i . \ `,--.|i |i|ii|ii|i: UooU\.'@@@@@@`.||' \__/(@@@@@@@@@@)' (@@@@@@@@) `YY~~~~YY' || || Signed, A user of cowsay who just wants to get the upstream package *ahem* unmolested by Debian installed on his system (even if that means it's split into two).

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 15:36:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: "J. R. Schmid" <jrs@weitnahbei.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 16:33:38 +0100

Hi Ævar (cool name btw!) and thanks for pointing out the two inaccuracies in my first comment. I still would like to know why a project like Debian (used ostensibly by every kind of human on the planet, across ages, sexes, political and religious divides and whatnot) feels like it needs to include anything that's as you state yourself (a) silly and (b) as such not really useful or necessary for anything in any way while it /will/ (c) be clear to /any/one within the "large and diverse community of users and developers" (https://wiki.debian.org/Community) that pictures of sheep being sodomized, voluntarily so or not, may cause very real troubles of various sorts for an unknowable number of members of the that diverse community. Unfortunately Felicia took a step back saying this is not about tastelessness or offensiveness, but only about possible legal issues. I'll kindly ask you to yourself come up with examples of where all three of these occur at once, it isn't going to take you very long to do so. Since I was asked, outside this forum, what, in my opinion should happen: Felicia, I agree it's a reasonable course of action to ask for user confirmation on install of cowsay-off and possible other packages like it. I also agree with you, Ævar, "whatever naming convention is used should be consistent across all of Debian". I'll go one step further though and say that the naming convention should be "-offensive". In addition to that, I /really, /please, want to hear from a member of Debian as to what the reasoning is for including such imagery in the biggest and oldest distribution of the largest non-commercial operating system in the world. I'd further like to ask for that statement to be well thought-through and non-humorous in nature. That's all the things that, in my opinion, should happen. Cheers, Jonathan

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 17:36:02 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Dan Snider <dan@dephekt.net> To: "882085@bugs.debian.org" <882085@bugs.debian.org> Subject: Legal red herring? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 12:26:01 -0500

There are (relatively) well-defined legal tests established in many countries which define this. For example, in the United States I understand this would need to be considered a *realistic* depiction of beastiality or meet all three criterion of the Miller test or three pronged obscenity test, which I do not believe it does in either case. Part of this test is whether people in general would find the image of prurient interest in sex, as in, was it intended to be a realistic erotic depiction with the intent to arouse the viewer? I argue it's not of prurient interest to sex, as the application itself is clearly of a comedic purpose, it has little to no capability (or intent) to be sexually gratifying to anyone. Also, the entire "work" as a whole must be taken into consideration. Despite the fact the packages are split up as packaged in Debian, I could argue for the developer and say cowsay and cowsay-off are actually a singular work. When taking the sheep image into consideration with the rest of the cowsay application, it becomes apparent, to me, it's neither serving an erotic purpose and that the intention of the program as a whole is purely comical. I feel it would be an extremely far-fetched scenario for someone to bring charges to a mirror operator based on this very crudely-made ASCII depiction in a relatively obscure package which clearly had no sexual intent, but is specifically intended as a comedic work of art which automatically gains free speech protections (at least in many countries) unless it fails well-defined legal tests as to why it should not be. Also, obviously my arguments here are specific to US law. As another mentioned, most EU countries have similar free speech protections which take precedence except, again, in well-defined legal circumstances. I do wholly support changing -off to -offensive, as in cowsay-offensive and that being standard naming practice. I agree with Felicia that the average person could easily install both packages without necessarily realizing cowsay-off stands for "offensive." One argued that it's the users responsibility to know what software they are installing and I don't entirely disagree, but changing the package name would, I think, satisfy the arguments against that stance. Also, I agree that if a system administrator is installing recommendations and suggested packages by default without reviewing them specifically, that's a failure of that individual administrator and is in my opinion a poor practice to get in a habit of for a variety of reasons, one of which has already been illustrated herein. As to whether the image is tasteless or funny is entirely subjective as it's comedic art and that should, in my opinion, not be the deciding factor on whether it's included in Debian or not. I have seen comedic depictions of bestiality in popular movies and TV shows where it was protected art, so I feel the comedic and artistic nature here is self-evident.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:03:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Rainer Müller <raimue@codingfarm.de> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:52:19 +0100

On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 14:21:57 +0100 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> wrote: > Signed, A user of cowsay who just wants to get the upstream package > *ahem* unmolested by Debian installed on his system (even if that means > it's split into two). It might help the discussion to know that sodomized-sheep.cow is not part of the upstream source tarball, but was added only to the Debian package in a local patch [1]. Which means your argument could be read to be in favor of actually removing it from the Debian package. In any case, removing this cow, which can even only be found in Debian, will not make cowsay as a whole less useful. Rainer [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=326063

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 18:48:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Gregor Jasny <gjasny@googlemail.com> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Also in screenshots.d.o Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:45:55 +0100

Dear maintainers, In case you'll remove the image, please also take care of replacing the package screenshot at https://screenshots.debian.net/package/cowsay-off Thanks, Gregor

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:00:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Alf Gaida <agaida@siduction.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:57:14 +0100

From a technical pov it would be wise to downgrade cowsay-off to suggests (or just remove the recommends) as mentioned here. That would exactly fit the reason for splitting out cowsay-off - it makes absolutly no sense to split out offensive content and then install it as a 'soft' dependency. Recommends are to strong, installed by default in debian and cowsay is recommend by games-toys and junior-games-text. Second: The cow (sheep) is not part of the official tar-ball, so it could be removed without further discussion about upstream if the maintainer think that's needed. I don't want to judge filename or content, at least cowsay-off might not (will not) exactly fit for games-toys or junior-games-text.

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:27:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> . (Mon, 20 Nov 2017 19:27:03 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: maltouzes <maltouzes@gmail.com> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug: 882085 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 20:22:24 +0100

Hi, I will use the Suggets field instead of the Recommends field. Unfortunately i'm really busy right now but be sure i will fix this as soon as i can. Tony

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Tue, 21 Nov 2017 21:12:07 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Horsti <horst@vable.ch> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:02:09 +0100 (CET)

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:10:20 0100 Felicia Hummel <felicia@drachenkatze.org> wrote: > --- Please enter the report below this line. --- > The package cowsay includes an ASCII representation of Zoophilia. The > file in question is /usr/share/cowsay/cows/sodomized-sheep.cow > > This is a legal issue in many countries. Even if it's not well-defined > by law if ASCII representations of Zoophilia are legal or not, I'd > rather prefer not to take a chance being involved in a lawsuit when such > a file could be found on my computer. > > Please remove the file from the packages as soon as possible. Thank you. all, since it belongs to cowsay-off and IMHO 'off' stands for 'offensive' I would suggest that mirrors in bourgeois countries just shouldn't replicate packages named *-off. just my 5ct Horsti

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Bug#882085 ; Package cowsay . (Wed, 22 Nov 2017 12:03:05 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Message #109 received at 882085@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply):

From: Sebastian Elisa Pfeifer <sebastian.pfeifer@unicorncloud.org> To: 882085@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: [cowsay] Package includes ASCII representation of Zoophilia Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 13:01:20 +0100

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:02:09 +0100 (CET) Horsti <horst@vable.ch> wrote: > since it belongs to cowsay-off and IMHO 'off' stands for 'offensive' I would suggest that mirrors in bourgeois countries just shouldn't replicate packages named *-off. It is not recommended (possible?) to exclude single packages from a mirror. @Dan: We have mirrors in countries that are not that fond on things like free speech or human rights. I know the issue is highly theoretical (as stated before), but assuming that people who mirror Debian are often also people who are active in (net-) politics, this is a possible risk for them if the executive forces or government want to create a crime. As I live in Austria where it is now illegal to use a scarf at temperatures over 0°C and "preparing to touch" a policemen is a worse crime than manslaughter on multiple people I am rather sensible to that. I just don't see a point in patching a file in a package that is not in the upstream source and that could become a problem for people who volunteer their time and money to create a mirror. Even if it is decided to keep this image, a warning on the "How to mirror Debian" concerning this issue would be good. All the best Sebastian

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You have taken responsibility. (Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:21:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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Bug acknowledged by developer. (Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:21:04 GMT) (full text, mbox, link).

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From: Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> To: 882085-close@bugs.debian.org Subject: Bug#882085: fixed in cowsay 3.03+dfsg2-4 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:20:21 +0000

Source: cowsay Source-Version: 3.03+dfsg2-4 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of cowsay, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive. A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is attached. Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you have further comments please address them to 882085@bugs.debian.org, and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate. Debian distribution maintenance software pp. Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> (supplier of updated cowsay package) (This message was generated automatically at their request; if you believe that there is a problem with it please contact the archive administrators by mailing ftpmaster@ftp-master.debian.org) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Format: 1.8 Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 18:17:38 +0100 Source: cowsay Binary: cowsay cowsay-off Architecture: source all Version: 3.03+dfsg2-4 Distribution: unstable Urgency: medium Maintainer: Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> Changed-By: Tony Maillefaud <maltouzes@gmail.com> Description: cowsay - configurable talking cow cowsay-off - configurable talking cow (offensive cows) Closes: 882085 Changes: cowsay (3.03+dfsg2-4) unstable; urgency=medium . * Cowsay-off - Use suggests field instead of Recommends (closes: #882085) * Change standards-version (4.1.1) Checksums-Sha1: 07e280357c4a0e310ab4a0c694883dcc4ea5e2d2 2145 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.dsc 603f2bc2ded998568f7ca536e779145aab38f8c9 12776 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.debian.tar.xz 030787db968432f3fd434a133d4ba0b9441ef4c8 7952 cowsay-off_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb 0eafd46534720b2fc4272845b5afffec8e8d837f 20120 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb ebc034d04083c43dd636c5ce2b57f319b487b246 5845 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_amd64.buildinfo Checksums-Sha256: 3c1c8dec5985dd8fb0723ce7154e3b30ee32224088bbe93c482c6f11edf8921d 2145 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.dsc ac131935e8d2452b23f71c4881feca52cf489790ec0ef33a733d8a7781632c16 12776 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.debian.tar.xz 95bb6a1af6f8f2188dc160cfaf2cd1bb435a80bf0e8e4b0e2054c0942d544619 7952 cowsay-off_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb 22fd6b53e9bb0d1b584cebb46b270b5138d779ada07eee22ad4c464b35b6d991 20120 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb 8a16ba8d308236bf4ebaac72d535b63c877dffc2dc7a91d945a2aa7cc58c3445 5845 cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_amd64.buildinfo Files: 3dcbdabc091cbb85e5dd605bacb11f1a 2145 games optional cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.dsc d41b4e694d50b872b6eac0cfd1dab419 12776 games optional cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4.debian.tar.xz a673b7a006bc52350f54e08346664506 7952 games optional cowsay-off_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb 9d28f240bfde85383a04978a56ccb04d 20120 games optional cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_all.deb 46ca8bea9724a652e03aa56cf11fcecd 5845 games optional cowsay_3.03+dfsg2-4_amd64.buildinfo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEjEcLKgsxVo4RDUMlFigfLgB8mNEFAloVvHVfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDhD NDcwQjJBMEIzMTU2OEUxMTBENDMyNTE2MjgxRjJFMDA3Qzk4RDEACgkQFigfLgB8 mNEZng//ZUhWVwxYgAl7+lfo7/Lh2qIBwIVi9dT6ELmMonlbwjiIaQL4vuMKmsWX SwmFATEfJubPwL8O6XAMXIUNEOUJtFsiz5chB5ycSvfzxsgJpMxc/ZWBPWOBnjOV QAjYntbmPoE/Amx7StvGzzb3PqksoJ9mWvGDfYNAyg025MmZ2tQvb9816rZ3h2Ga xDpsreGwkwORbBtO0Gai46vvUgxdXSyeP2V0wtpqoypE1ElGP8tZLF3WjGd70IjW 2s3K7HvYblGxqbcdxksMH6QQL9iR4lrIpjV0ZTdV6O27cLXi5+aLgv3PKpkBU/sW XVg3S3gyYRDV6k5BSM6LQAv/QSy86FTZYinL9WDz98IreEEOv4N9yDurO2QK5fSw h29jMGD2JCZfnqhKLYRb7Gl2oGMpSNxh3wwzG+1OajSC3evmZi82+pDbVzfTlp8y b1OEZsYhRHY3hQIecxmHEHuiDOwijO5xgdU8h3cN3X7VhiU7vnMcKCPxsyKK3+Tx k+p1hCjfA8AS2r5HniHF1tdaD2rWnpLiZKF3/FQWSsc+0BMH4CxH/P5E/EIcwem3 kJfKEccepKWgZu83n7jWusUEY59oBaTT4FlhKhHpmkfkqBhyhwaIbsZpz9WTHlmF VWoaOLd6Wy3eci5yWkj90i0m3aLJIX+BxoWgkJ0yz3uE0OFK/Ck= =ipv/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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