DarkblueRH Profile Joined October 2010 United States 143 Posts Last Edited: 2012-10-27 07:37:11 #1



So I made this mostly for my own reference to figure out if upgrading +air solely for Tempests was worth it. But I figured you guys might like to see it too.



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Old Post showing only stats of 3 Tempests vs 4 Tempests

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I was going to mess around with the armor of the unit you're hitting, but like 90% of these numbers hold true regardless of what armor your opponent has because most units only get +1 armor while the Tempest gets +3 attack (+6 to Massive) for each attack upgrade.



Only ones I can say now are Hellions, Widow Mines, and Infestors will take 1 additional shot to kill if they have +1 armor vs 3 Tempests with 0/0. Also, Ultras with +6 armor require 4 Tempests with +3 attack before they'll die in 2 hits.



So, short answer... Yes getting +attack is worth it. 4 Tempests with +3 attack at most 2 shot every unit in the game besides Mothership and Immortal. Even +6 armor Ultras.



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Sorry for the sloppy spreadsheet, oringinally just made it for myself. So if this was unclear...

"3 0/0 Tempests" means 3 Tempests with +0 attack and +0 armor

"3 3/3 Tempests" means 3 Tempests with +3 attack and +3 armor The *s in the spreadsheet indicate how many +attack upgrades you need to lower the # of hits to kill to the number shown. For example, you need at least +2 attack to 2 shot an Overloard with 3 Tempests. +1 attack will still be 3 hits to kill.I was going to mess around with the armor of the unit you're hitting, but like 90% of these numbers hold true regardless of what armor your opponent has because most units only get +1 armor while the Tempest gets +3 attack (+6 to Massive) for each attack upgrade.Only ones I can say now are Hellions, Widow Mines, and Infestors will take 1 additional shot to kill if they have +1 armor vs 3 Tempests with 0/0. Also, Ultras with +6 armor require 4 Tempests with +3 attack before they'll die in 2 hits.So, short answer... Yes getting +attack is worth it. 4 Tempests with +3 attack at most 2 shot every unit in the game besides Mothership and Immortal. Even +6 armor Ultras.Sorry for the sloppy spreadsheet, oringinally just made it for myself. So if this was unclear..."3 0/0 Tempests" means 3 Tempests with +0 attack and +0 armor"3 3/3 Tempests" means 3 Tempests with +3 attack and +3 armor *** Yes, this is current for the most recent beta update #7 ***So I made this mostly for my own reference to figure out if upgrading +air solely for Tempests was worth it. But I figured you guys might like to see it too. RelentlessHeroes.com

Supert0fu Profile Blog Joined July 2011 United States 480 Posts #2 I think tempest could be effective against the BL/infestor combo. The tempest can shoot the brood lords from afar, and have stalkers shoot down corrupters who come near by. (or just use tempest to get a couple of shoots on the corrupters while the corrupters get out of range. I could also watch towers becoming more and more important, because the tempest range is significantly longer than its sight range. I think a lot of battles may be for the watchtower, which would be interesting to watch !

rpgalon Profile Joined April 2011 Brazil 1069 Posts Last Edited: 2012-10-27 01:09:48 #3 I laugh a lot when I see a zergling surviving a shot with 6x it's size.



Anyway, thank you for the data. badog

Hattori_Hanzo Profile Joined October 2010 Singapore 1229 Posts #4 The synergy of time warp is amazing.

Almost every unit from Stargate to robo would benefit from an oracle or two.



In this instance, landing a solid time warp would make BL/infestor easy pickings for tempest/oracle/blink stalker Cauterize the area

larse Profile Blog Joined March 2012 1595 Posts #5 A tip:



If you have more tempests than the amount that can 1-shot a particular enemy unit, you will overkill. To avoid overkill, you should NOT use shift + target-fire. You can spam right-click on the type of enemy units you want to kill, so that the tempests will attack multiple targets but they will attack the type of units that you want to kill.



For example, if you have more than 4 tempests, your efficiency of killing broodlord will be the same as 4 tempests. In this situation, you do not want to shift + target-fire but to spam right-click on multiple broodlords to avoid overkill.

Crawdad Profile Joined September 2012 612 Posts #6 On October 27 2012 10:07 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:

The synergy of time warp is amazing.

Almost every unit from Stargate to robo would benefit from an oracle or two.



In this instance, landing a solid time warp would make BL/infestor easy pickings for tempest/oracle/blink stalker



Time Warp doesn't affect air units, so the BLs and Corruptors aren't slowed. Although, with the Tempest's range and the BL's natural speed (or lack thereof), that doesn't matter so much as slowing the Infestors. Time Warp doesn't affect air units, so the BLs and Corruptors aren't slowed. Although, with the Tempest's range and the BL's natural speed (or lack thereof), that doesn't matter so much as slowing the Infestors.

soapyy. Profile Joined October 2011 United States 103 Posts #7 really cool spread sheet, thanks! www.twitch.tv/sirsoapyy A little bit of soul train is in everyone.

ZeromuS Profile Blog Joined October 2010 Canada 12923 Posts #8 On October 27 2012 10:39 larse wrote:

A tip:



If you have more tempests than the amount that can 1-shot a particular enemy unit, you will overkill. To avoid overkill, you should NOT use shift + target-fire. You can spam right-click on the type of enemy units you want to kill, so that the tempests will attack multiple targets but they will attack the type of units that you want to kill.



For example, if you have more than 4 tempests, your efficiency of killing broodlord will be the same as 4 tempests. In this situation, you do not want to shift + target-fire but to spam right-click on multiple broodlords to avoid overkill.



Good point. Better be accurate with those clicks though. Good point. Better be accurate with those clicks though. Strategy Overwatch is awesome | Support is the best role | @TL_ZeromuS | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_

SarcasmMonster Profile Joined October 2011 3135 Posts #9 On October 27 2012 11:40 ZeromuS wrote:

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On October 27 2012 10:39 larse wrote:

A tip:



If you have more tempests than the amount that can 1-shot a particular enemy unit, you will overkill. To avoid overkill, you should NOT use shift + target-fire. You can spam right-click on the type of enemy units you want to kill, so that the tempests will attack multiple targets but they will attack the type of units that you want to kill.



For example, if you have more than 4 tempests, your efficiency of killing broodlord will be the same as 4 tempests. In this situation, you do not want to shift + target-fire but to spam right-click on multiple broodlords to avoid overkill.



Good point. Better be accurate with those clicks though. Good point. Better be accurate with those clicks though.



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SigmaoctanusIV Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 3130 Posts #10 I would like to see the chart for 1 tempest. I am Godzilla You are Japan

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DarkblueRH Profile Joined October 2010 United States 143 Posts #12 On October 27 2012 12:03 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:

I would like to see the chart for 1 tempest.



I'll make one tomorrow since it's really just 2 excel formulas away from this chart. It's late right now though.



The 3 vs 4 Tempests is what I've been debating between for my games so hence why the chart doesn't include for 1 tempest. But having the chart done for 1 Tempest helps extrapolate for X tempests so I'll make it tomorrow. I'll make one tomorrow since it's really just 2 excel formulas away from this chart. It's late right now though.The 3 vs 4 Tempests is what I've been debating between for my games so hence why the chart doesn't include for 1 tempest. But having the chart done for 1 Tempest helps extrapolate for X tempests so I'll make it tomorrow. RelentlessHeroes.com

Cyro Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United Kingdom 19838 Posts Last Edited: 2012-10-27 14:38:03 #13 I think its essential the tempest gets a projectile speed upgrade or some kind of change to overkill mechanism if there are plans for more than a few of them to be usable - it loses so much DPS due to overkill and it being so hard to control where your shots go - Against a worker line with 10-15 tempests, you can increase your DPS by a factor of 5-10x by microing with cloning, but it's incredibly hard to do compared to anything currently in the game - im all for it helping, i love micro, but without it, your 15 tempests will sit there any attack 1 worker every 3.3 seconds - attack queue, even with several of them on delayed ROF, will result in all of your tempests firing a shot at 1 worker, then reloading for the next one. I can post some videos demonstrating the differences later.



Basically, approaching range of a mineral line with 10 tempests? (totally plausible):



With attack-queue on workers: 1 kill every 3.3 seconds and slightly awkward movement - either your tempests will stack, or approach a notable amount closer than they have to in order to shoot



Using cloning or another method to assign attacks in the most efficient way 5 sets of 2 tempests): 5 worker kills every 3.3 seconds



As it stands, if i were to have 4 tempests, i would almost certainly split them into two hotkeys, because its painful spending 1k gas on something and watching half of its damage getting wasted. 10 lings runs into vision 15 range away, they all fire at the leading one. T-T (Yes, even 40 or 50 tempests).



I like their usefulness right now, but they are quite absolutely limited to that unless you have top 1-2% micro. Maybe thats a good thing? "oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88

DarkblueRH Profile Joined October 2010 United States 143 Posts #14 Updated OP to include charts for just a single Tempest. RelentlessHeroes.com