but I wanna know noooooW! >:|Further thoughts on player positions: Wiz has a good spot. The 3 in Japan are subjects and can't hurt him, so his only possible threats are Korea and Oirat. I don't think he'll have much trouble going Manchu into Qing. I'm also guessing that he and TheLetterZ will pounce on the daimyo as soon as any of them go to war with Japan.Rufio has three nations that no other players border, at the start, although no-cbs are still a thing. Ihki and Gnivom seem caught between rocks and hard places.I'm getting shades of Morocco from Imse's Mong Yang. She seems further from other palyers than most, and, Ming-permitting, she could potentially go North through Tibet and carve a pathway to border the Timurids in case they collapse. Mr Nibbles might object though.And then of course there's the elephant in the living room. What's Ming going to do/have done to them in all this?