VIII. Toasted Cars Top



Diane Sawyer Video Top



1400 VEHICLES melted NEAR WTC Figure 1. "This is an interview by Diane Sawyer of a Fireman who witnessed these Melted cars, and he states that where these cars were, there were no Fires around!!!"



(0:00:50) URL, posted July 10, 2007, by neverknwo

Preliminary transcript:



Diane Sawyer: And I've got Don Dayo (?) in here with me, we're dividing up all the duties, here, and he's been down to the scene, and also J.D. Hopfer (?) who says he's just a volunteer who came in here from California and was around the area.



I just wanted to know how much fire is there. You said you were just at Ground Zero. How much fire is left?



J.D. Hopfer (?):

Well at Building Seven there was no fire there whatsoever, but there was one truck putting water on the building. But, it's collapsed completely. And then, the other building, that there were some flames still coming up was in World Trade Center One, not a lot.



Diane Sawyer: You said you saw melted tour busses? Melted cars?



J.D. Hopfer (?): The cars that were right down there, ...it was just unbelievable. They were twisted and melted into nothing. The build... the debris is just unbelievable. And then you can see fire trucks and police vehicles that were down there early, that um, all their windows, their windshields, are completely blown out -- from, ...it must have been from when debris dropped.

A reported 1400 vehicles were damaged on 9/11. [ Reference ] These vehicles had peculiar patterns of damage and some were as far away as FDR Drive (about 7 blocks from the WTC, along the East River). Vehicles had missing door handles for example, windows blown out, window frames deformed, melted engine blocks, steel-belted tires with only the steel belts left, and vehicle front ends destroyed with little or no effect on the back end of the vehicles. What could have caused such extraordinary damage? Portions of cars burned while paper nearby did not.

Figure 64. Peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR Drive.

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Figure 65. Map of lower Manhattan shows the WTC and FDR Drive a half mile or more apart. Arial view of lower Manhattan. (mouse over to remove arrows and labels)

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Figure 65a. Notice the dust-covered car in front of the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. They probably couldn't clean it very well because the toasted cars were there.

Source: Figure 65b. Notice the dust-covered car behind the toasted police car. There is also debris on the pavement away from the main part of the road. So, it appears the roadway has been washed already.

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Figure 65c. Notice the two dust-covered cars under the bridge. How did the dust fall there? Obviosly there were strong enough air currents to put it there. It's interesting how the drying pavement looks like it does after its been treated for snow and ice. (This is thought to be the entrance ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge from southbound FDR Drive.)

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Figure 66. Toasted cars in a lot near the WTC .





Source: Figure 67. Blistered car on FDR Drive with unburned upholstery and unburned plastic window molding.

Source: Figure 68. Front half of a car burned with a shiny, unburned rear end.



Source: Figure 69. What burned and dragged these cars and mangled the left rear wheel? Where are the door handles?

Source: Figure 70. What was this thing across the street? Was it a car? Was it a van? What caused that line of burn marks on the hood of the car in the foreground on the right? In the left foreground, the remains of a vehicle sit atop a white sedan. Are we looking at the front or the back end? It looks like the front end and if it is, its engine is missing. We can see daylight through the wheel well.

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Peeling Appearance Top



Many vehicles had their outer surface peeled away like a sardine can. In some instances, clearly there is more than peeling paint was involved. It appears that the sheet metal delaminated as though something caused the material to melt or disintegrate at a certain depth. In some cases it appears that there was more heat damage inside than outside and vice versa.



Figure 71. What happened to the axles, wheels, and tires? On the doors, it appears that a heavy layer of paint peeled down from the top, yet the paint on the lower part of the doors has not been peeled away. Wow did the wheel get under the rear suspension?

Source: Figure 72. The car with the flat tire appears to have "wilted" from heat, from the top down, leaving a peeling appearance on the back end. The SUV on its right is missing all its window glass except for the windshield. The vehicle on the far right has no trace of tires, no door handles, no tail lights, and no windows. Why?

Source: Figure 73. The peeling on the side door appears to be delaminated. Sheet metal is not laminated, so why would it do this?



Source: Figure 74. Why does this ambulance have melted inside doors? The inside looks to have suffered more heat damage than the outside. What would cause that?

Source Figure 75. Oddly enough, there were also toasted cars at the Pentagon on 9/11.



Source: Figure 76. This is the same vehicle shown in the previous figure after the fires were extinguished. Why is the passenger door burned? Note how the hood is curled up.

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Other Anomalies Top

The pictures below document a wide variety of damage to vehicles, including total incineration of vehicles, toasted and disappeared engine blocks, steel-belted tires with no rubber and only steel belts, deformed wheels, missing grills, broken and missing vehicle windows and mirrors, no door handles, wilted doors, and unburned paper next to burning cars.



Figure firetruck. A badly damaged fire truck. Where did its engine go? The bottom of the tire has turned to goo below a distinct horizontal line in the tire.





Source: Figure hazmat. A FDMY Hazmat truck in front of WTC6 on West Street . The remaining upper part of the truck has been peeled and evaporated in areas. The upper part of the cab is gone and the engine block seems to have disappeared. The photo was taken on 9/11 after WTC1 disappeared but before WTC7 collapsed .

(9/11/01) Source: Figure 66(e). Why would the front of this fire truck wilt?

Source: Figure 66(h). Is there something attractive about engine blocks? Why not gasoline fuel tanks?

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Figure 77. The mail truck parked on the left side of the street looks burnt. Why? (Click on photo for enlarged view.) The building on the left is the USPS Federal Building and on the right is WTC7. WTC5 is on fire at the end of the street. Why? If this area is hot enough for spontaneous combustion, why isn't the paper on fire? The cars on the right side of the street are also toasted.

Source: Figure flip. Why is this car upside down? A burned out SUV with missing windows and toasted front end is parked in front of WFC2 on West Street but will not be moving under its own power.

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Lower Manhattan Top



Figure Map. Arial view of lower Manhattan.

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FDR Drive Top



Figure 66(a). Cars along FDR drive were randomly toasted. These cars are at least 1/2 mile away from the WTC. Note the waviness of the tire tracks. What happened?

Source: Figure 66(b). Wheels appear to have steel-belts from the tires still on them.

Source: Figure 66(c). Did one car run under the other during the event or were they stacked after the event? The marks in the pavement suggest they were pushed to the side of the road.

Source: Figure 66(d). The remains of a steel-belted tire without the rubber. This is a close-up of the figure above.

Source: Figure 66(j). The front end of this FDNY car is toasted and mildly deformed, while the door appears undamaged and the window glass is intact. The debris on this car suggests it was near the WTC.

Source: Figure 66(f). While the bodies of these toasted vehicles still exist, they've been incinerated. All of the softer materials inside and out have disappeared.

Source: Figure 66(k). This Toasted Interior was consumed except for the fire extinguisher.

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Figure 66(l). The front half of car 2723 is toasted, but check out the new wax job on the back. Notice the missing front door handle and the untouched back door handle.

Source: Figure 66(m). What happened to the top half of car 1250? The doors are crinkled up, but the rear tire looks OK.

Source: Figure 66(n). There is extensive damage to the front of car 2723, including no door handle on the driver's door. There is an unusual, unburned circular area on the rear door.

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In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this figure. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.





Burning Cars Top

Figure 66(g). This fire seems to be very selective.





Source: Figure 66(i). A minivan is consumed by flames. The fire rages inside the vehicle, contained by the remaining windows. The fire appears more intense at the front where the engine is.

Source: Figure onfire1. The tires and even the pavement under the car are on fire. The windows appear to be intact with no visible interior fire. There is line of fire along the trunk lid. The right front fender is deformed and has turned white.

Source Figure onfire2. A fire rages, apparently on Vesey Street, sending up thick black smoke. These may be the vehicles that eyewitness Rebecca O. described as she ran past WTC6 during the destruction of WTC2.

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Missing Windows Top

Figure 66(o). Why doesn't the paper burn?



Source: Figure 66(p). No window? What happened to the rear-view mirror?

Source: Figure 66(q). Why is the rubber window gasket hanging outward?

Source: Figure 66(r). Sans windows. (But nice tire!)

Source: Figure 66(s). Why is the paper shredded but nothing else apparently disturbed?

Source: Figure 66(t). What blew out the windows without damaging the rest of the fire truck?

Source: Figure 66(u). The window gasket is on the outside. What blew out the windows? What dislodged the front grill?

Source: Figure 66(v). It didn't blow out just the middle portion of the windows; it blew out the windows all the way back to the frame where it was mounted.

Source: Figure 66(w). Hosing down the windowless fire truck.

Source: Figure 66(x). Final cleaning of the windowless fire truck. Notice its grill is missing.

Source: Figure 66(y). What could have caused such extensive damage to this car? Has the passenger side shoulder harness survived? Where's the steering wheel?

Source: Figure 66(z). Why is this fire truck burnt? It is missing its front grill, headlights, and related front end bright-work. Where are the tires?

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Most of the 1400 toasted cars had some, if not all, windows missing. What would cause this? Figure yy, below, shows a silver convertible with its top apparently intact but missing some of its window glass. If the windows were blown out from pressure inside, we would expect the convertible top to have been torn or blown off. This suggests that the windows were not blown out by internal pressure, but may have been shattered by some other mechanism.



Figure yy. The cars parked in the back suffered extensive damage. The car on the left and on the far right look like they have had their engines eaten. The cars in the foreground experienced less damage, but many windows are missing, however partial and whole windows also remain.

(9/12/01) Source: Figure 78. Why is this windshield crumpled up? Curiously, the interior of the car does not appear to contain anything that crashed through the windshield.

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Toasted Parking Lot Top



Figure toast1. afterWTC2 was destroyed there don't appear to be any fires.

(9/11/01) Source: Figure toast2a. The cloud from the destruction of WTC1 rolls toward the parking lot.

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Figure toast2b. Just after WTC1 is destroyed, fires start to burn the vehicles in the large lot, but not the paper. Why?

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Figure toast3. The vehicle fires increase in strength as sunling begins to emerge through the clearing dust cloud.

(9/11/01) Source: Figure toast4.The air upwind of the WTC has visably become clearer. The vehicle fires continue increasing and flames can be seen.

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Figure 5. The air has cleared after the destruction of WTC1. This area would be first to clear as it is upwind of the WTC. The fire in the toasted lot has increased in strength, consistent with it having just been started.

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Figure toast6. Sunlight begins streaming through the intersection.

(9/11/01) Source: Figure toast7 The intersection and the grasssy lot are covered with paper and dust that did not burn. So, what caused the vehicles to suddenly catch fire?

(9/11/01) Source: Figure toast8. How did these cars

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Figure street9(a). Gone with the Wind

At the corner of West and Vesey, looking south toward the WTC complex. WTC1 was just destroyed and the people are cautiously emerging from their hiding places and slowly approaching the site with puzzled looks on their faces. "Where'd it go?" This appears to be about the same time as that of the previous three figures.

(9/11/01) Source: Figure street9(b). Gone with the Wind

A view west along Vesey street across the West St. intersection. The toasted parking lot is on the right in the distance. This is after WTC1 was destroyed. Sunlight is visible on WFC3 (on left). Paper in the foreground is not on fire. Why are vehicles in the parking lot on fire at some distance away?

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Figure toast10. Toasted cars in the lot northwest of the WTC complex. There is little visible rust, so the photo was probably within a day or two of 9/11/01.

(9/?/01) Source: (WRH) Figure toast11. Not much visible rust, yet.

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Figure toast12. The rust is noticeable

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Figure toast13. A lot more rust

(9/?/01) Source: Figure toast14. Towing finally begins.

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Figure toast15. Presumably these cars are finally being towed away from that lot. Those wheels look fairly good which means they probably aren't steel.

(9/?/01) Source: Figure toast16. The background is near the WTC



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Jet Fuel (Kerosene) Top



Figure 64. Peculiar wilting of car doors and deformed window surrounds on FDR Drive. Kerosene fires cannot do this.

Source: Figure 67. These fires do not melt or significantly weaken steel.

Source: Century wood stoves Figure 67k. Kerosene fires do not melt or significantly weaken steel.

Source: Dyna-Glo kerosene heater: website Source: website Source: Omni-Directional Radiant Kerosene Heater Source: website

Figure 68m. Testimony about toasted cars

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"Reddy Heater," Forced Air Heaters Portable - Kerosene, 40,000 BTUs R40 by Desa International Heating,

Multi fuel use (i.e. Kerosene, Diesel #1 and #2, JP8, and Jet A fuel ).

Source: website All-Pro Portable Kerosene Torpedo Heater, heats 29,000 ft.3 building

All-Pro kerosene outdoor construction heaters are for use only with kerosene, No. 1 & 2 diesel fuel oil, JP-8 fuel or Jet A fuel .

165,000 BTU Kerosene Outdoor Torpedo / Salamander Heater

Source: One of our readers called the factory, Desa International to find the grade of steel used and reported, "These heaters are made with steel that is 16 -18 gage." Thanks L. Figure 67w. How could alleged jet-fuel and trash-can fires melt or significantly weaken steel in the WTC towers?

In 1975 Fires burned 6 floors of WTC1 for 180 minutes (floors 9-14) with no fire sprinklers. (source)

In 2001 Fires burned 5-6 floors of WTC1 for 102 minutes (floors 94-98) with fire sprinklers.

In 2001 Fires burned 6-7 floors of WTC1 for 56 minutes (floors 78-84) with fire sprinklers.



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