Speaking Different Languages, Striving for the Same (Socionics vs American typology)

Speaking Different Languages, Striving for the Same



© Victor Gulenko, 1996

From V. Gulenko, V. Tyshchenko, Jung At School.

Translated by Dmitri Lytov

Edited by Jeffrey Bolden







© Victor Gulenko, 1996From V. Gulenko, V. Tyshchenko,Translated by Dmitri LytovEdited by Jeffrey Bolden

1. Personality Dimensions (Dichotomies)



E

I

E

I

S

N

S

N

T

F

T

F

J

P

J

P

Hereinafter I will refer to socionic types by names used in MBTI, according to the comparison table made by Russian MBTI adherents

TABLE 1

TABLE 1

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F

I

I

T

T

TABLE 1.

Correspondence between Jungian function, socionic function and Jungian personality typology.





Socionic

function

C.G. Jung's

terminology

Description in socionics*

Hypothetic correlation

to MBTI ® types

(pseudonyms according

to D. Keirsey1)

or E Extraverted

feeling Dynamic extraverted ethic, or ethic of emotions



Latin emoveo ("I move") (smb.) ENFJ (Pedagogue)

ESFJ (Seller) or R Introverted

feeling Static introverted ethic, or ethic of relations



Latin relatio ("relation") INFJ (Author)

ISFJ (Conservator) or P Extraverted

thinking Dynamic extraverted logic, or practical logic



Latin profiteor ("I make useful actions") ENTJ (Field Marshall)

ESTJ (Administrator) or L Introverted

thinking Static introverted logic, or structural logic



Latin lex ("law, rule") INTJ (Scientist)

ISTJ (Trustee) or S Introverted

sensing Dynamic introverted sensing, or perception sensing



Latin sensus ("sensation") ISTP (Artisan)

ISFP (Artist) or F Extraverted

sensing Static extraverted sensing, or force sensing



Latin factor ("I influence") ESTP (Promoter)

ESFP (Entertainer) or T Introverted

intuition Dynamic introverted intuition, or time intuition



Latin tempus ("time") INTP (Architect)

INFP (Questor) or I Extraverted

intuition Static extraverted intuition, or potential intuition



Latin intueor ("I look through") ENTP (Inventor)

ENFP (Journalist)

E

R

P

L

S

F

T

I

2. Type Names



TABLES



3. Type Models





TABLE

2

TABLE 3





TABLE 2.

The Model A4: the socionic basis of building up personality type descriptions.



Blocks Model A positions

ENTP, intuitive

logical extravert

ISFJ, ethical

sensory introvert

EGO 1. Leading (personality program) 2. Auxiliary (creative) SUPER-EGO 3. Role, mask, emergency reaction 4. Most vulnerable SUPER-ID 5. Suggestion 6. Activation ID 7. Ignoring 8. Standard



Type scientists are discrepant in their treatment of type models. I found no information concerning extroversion or introversion of the 3rd and 4th functions in MBTI literature.



The same problem arises with defining the weakest function. It must stand at the 4th position. Therefore, it is sensing for both INTJ and ENTP. According to socionics, it is only half true: ENTP's weakest function is feeling.



The models applied in the type theory and socionics are strongly different by configuration. The American model is linear, it is just a sequence of 4 functions positioned in descendent order by their "strength". The socionic model is a combination of 2 functional circles positioned one above another ( TABLES 2 and 4 ).



In addition, Model A consists of blockspairs of functions. There are 4 such blocks: Ego (1+2), Super-Ego (3+4), Super-Id (5+6), Id (7+8)20. Due to this, socionics can model 4 functional modes for each type. For example, socioanalysis operates with 2 different temperament conditions of a type, as well as type attitudes to kinds of activities which compensate each other when a type changes communication distance.



The type theory appeals to the type dynamic, which is based on gradual development of functions along 4 stages of human life. But this macrodynamics hardly reflects changes of human behavior under different circumstances. Socioanalysis is more interested in macrodynamics, i.e. transition of a type from one functional mode into another due to internal rhythm as well as under external influence6.



Therefore socionics and the type theory went different ways in studying dynamic processes.





4. Small Groups



small groups, or quaternions ( TABLE 5 ), the situation is in favor of socionics. In MBTI only one class of such groups is recognized by all authors: D. Keirsey's temperaments. These are sensing-perceiving (Dionysus), sensing-judging (Epimetheus), intuitive-feeling (Apollo) and intuitive-thinking (Prometheus)15.



Socionists discovered a great number of small groups (also called Reinin groups). Theoretically there are more than 200 different types of such groups, but only a small part of them are more or less studied. Most applicable in socionics are 6 groups based on Jungian dimensions (temperaments, attitudes towards certain activities, perception, communicability, stimuli, argumentation), as well as progress groups (project implementation, stress resistance, expansion), and quadras (see also TABLE 5 ).



Let me draw your attention to D. Keirsey's very specific understanding of temperaments. Types within the same Keirsey temperament differ greatly in their emotional and dynamic characteristics. It is hard to accept that the restrained Author (INFJ), importunate Pedagogue (ENFJ), melancholic Questor (INFP) and sanguine Journalist (ENFP) belong to the same temperament type.



As we learned from studying opinions of specialists, small groups are convenient to use in socioanalysis. We discovered laws regulating subsequent succession of one group by another. Based on this I perform training where I demonstrate different communication technologies. We also perform systematical studies of small groups of different kinds. What about Americans?



As I can imagine, according to the American literature available, type scientists at their seminars split the auditory into 2 parts and order them to do the same task, e.g. to make a list of their expenses. According to differences in their answers, they make conclusions about typological differences between thinking and feeling, sensing and intuitive types etc. These obvious differences, in their opinion, a large psycho-therapeutic effect.



I cannot ignore the fact that the distribution of Myers Briggs types by career interests and reaction towards changes has a direct analog in socionic quaternions ( TABLE 3 )4,9,19:





TABLE 3.

Temperaments, attitudes and Jungian personality types (comparison between socionics and MBTI).

Type pseudonyms according to V.Gulenko (different from Keirsey's).



Occupational mindsets (socionics) / Career interests (MBTI)

Temperaments (socionics) /

Reaction on changes (MBTI)

Managers:

ST

Socialites:

SF

Humanitarians:

NF

Scientists:

NT

Stable-balanced: IJ

ISTJ, Inspector ISFJ, Guardian INFJ, Humanist INTJ, Analyst Perceptive-adaptive: IP

ISTP, Craftsman ISFP, Mediator INFP, Lyricist INTP, Critic Flexible-mobile: EP

ESTP, Commander ESFP, Politician ENFP, Psychologist ENTP, Seeker Linear-promotive: EJ

ESTJ, Administrator ESFJ, Bonvivant ENFJ, Mentor ENTJ, Enterpriser

The distribution is the same as in the socionic table of temperaments and attitudes, but the difference in principle and subsequently, practical application of the difference was not understood.

In studying, or), the situation is in favor of socionics. In MBTI only one class of such groups is recognized by all authors: D. Keirsey's. These are(Dionysus),(Epimetheus),(Apollo) and(Prometheus)Socionists discovered a great number of small groups (also called). Theoretically there are more than 200 different types of such groups, but only a small part of them are more or less studied. Most applicable in socionics are 6 groups based on Jungian dimensions (temperaments, attitudes towards certain activities, perception, communicability, stimuli, argumentation), as well as progress groups (project implementation, stress resistance, expansion), and quadras (see also).Let me draw your attention to D. Keirsey's very specific understanding of. Types within the same Keirsey temperament differ greatly in their emotional and dynamic characteristics. It is hard to accept that the restrained Author (INFJ), importunate Pedagogue (ENFJ), melancholic Questor (INFP) and sanguine Journalist (ENFP) belong to the same temperament type.As we learned from studying opinions of specialists, small groups are convenient to use in socioanalysis. We discovered laws regulating subsequent succession of one group by another. Based on this I perform training where I demonstrate different communication technologies. We also perform systematical studies of small groups of different kinds. What about Americans?As I can imagine, according to the American literature available, type scientists at their seminars split the auditory into 2 parts and order them to do the same task, e.g. to make a list of their expenses. According to differences in their answers, they make conclusions about typological differences between thinking and feeling, sensing and intuitive types etc. These obvious differences, in their opinion, a large psycho-therapeutic effect.I cannot ignore the fact that the distribution of Myers Briggs types byandhas a direct analog in socionics (The distribution is the same as in the socionic table ofand, but the difference in principle and subsequently, practical application of the difference was not understood.



5. Intertype Relationships



More or less systematical studies of intertype relationships were obviously not undertaken by type analysts until now. Nothing even vaguely similar to the socionic table of intertype relationships ( TABLE 4 ) appears in the books of American authors. This is why we do not have any idea how Americans treat groups of relations, build up agreeability scales etc. based on their works.



It seems that type analysts believe that relationships are independent on the partners' psychological types. In their books I find appeals to have consideration of the differences between partners and to build on this basis conflict and favorable relations, whatever type a partner may belong to.



The only dimension they use is total similarity or total difference of the partners' psychological structures. However, there is no unity in opinion which of two is favorable for communication at close distances, e.g. for marriage.



Isabel B. Myers in her basic work2 demonstrates on statistic examples better co-existence of similar types. On the other hand, O. Kroeger and J. Thuesen report they watched better harmony in contrast pairs11-13.



Due to A. Augustinaviciute, socionics offers the concept of duality as the most comfortable relationship ( TABLE 4 ). Therefore, this provides evidence in favor of adherents of better agreeability of contrast pairs. However, pairs of identical types cannot be considered as non-comfortable and "bad".



We really disagree with D. Keirsey who believes that the relationships 0000 and 0100 (where 0 stands for difference, 1 for coincidence of the corresponding binary criterion) are the best possible. For example, according to him, INFJ and ISFJ are the best possible partners for ENTP15. In socionics these relationships are described as conflict or supervision, i.e. not the best but the worst ( TABLE 4 ) . Real examples of such conflicts are easy to find even in MBTI-related literature11-13.



The socionic school of socioanalysis has not yet created a unified scale of intertype relationship agreeability. In more precise terms, it proposes at least 8 such different scales to use for different communication objectives and distances. A socioanalyst would answer that any relationships may be stable if rules of integration are observed. However, stability of conflict relationships costs much more than stability of dual partners.





TABLE 4.

Intertype relationships as correspondence of a partner's two leading functions to positions of the Model A.

Example: ENTP's relations.



ENTP's Model A

1 2 4 3 6 5 7 8

Interaction between occupational mindsets

Interaction

between

temperaments

Hospitality

Co-working

Discussion

Intervention

Balance

56 : Duality



ISFP 58 : Semi-duality



ISTP

78 : Contrast



INTP

76 : Illusionary



INFP

Acceleration

65 : Activation



ESFJ 85 : Transmitter



ESTJ 87 : Quasi-identity



ENTJ

67 : Receiver



ENFJ

Monotony

34 : Super-ego



ESFP 32 : Cooperation



ESTP

12 : Identity



ENTP

14 : Congenerity



ENFP

Slowdown

(disorientation)

43 : Conflict



ISFJ

23 : Supervisee



ISTJ

21 : Mirror



INTJ

41 : Supervisor



INFJ



In addition, about two years ago I developed a concept of relative socionics. It is based on presumption of psychotype as a relative idea. At close communication distances, as a result of long-term communication, personality types of communicants "get shadowed", but the relationship between them becomes better structured7.



At far psychological distances individuals "within their types" and relationships with other people may be of any kind. At close distances group communication stereotypes become a valid force which make people change in favor of the group integrating relationship. As a result, people of different personality types behave in the same way, and it becomes difficult to define their born psychological structures.



In real life middle communication distances are the most common, and therefore it seems that a type time after time "gets smoother", and as soon as the surrounding pressure softens, gets "embossed" again. In other words, it behaves like a spring  shrinks and then straightens again. In fact, distorted and contaminated types are much easier to meet everywhere than immutable and sterile ones.





TABLE 5.

One more example of quaternions (splitting 16 types into 4 groups).

Stimuli

Methods of argumentation

Status, prestige:

ES

Uniqueness:

EN

Well-being:

IS

Self-confidence:

IN

Constructors: TJ

ESTJ, Administrator

ENTJ, Enterpriser

ISTJ, Inspector

INTJ, Analyst

Restructurers: TP

ESTP, Commander

ENTP, Seeker

ISTP, Craftsman

INTP, Critic

Diplomats: FP

ESFP, Politician

ENFP, Psychologist

ISFP, Mediator

INFP, Lyricist

Guardians: FJ

ESFJ, Bonvivant

ENFJ, Mentor

ISFJ, Guardian

INFJ, Humanist



Therefore we can admit that socionics is more advanced than the type theory in the field of intertype communication. But it also cannot give an absolute type compatibility forecast because it is not easy to calculate in advance the relative effects caused by a type's adaptation to surrounding.





6. Local and American Authors



Having compared theoretical fundamentals of type theory and socionics, one can come to the conclusion that these typological trends reflect in many details the psychological types of their creators and main authors.



Books on type theory are written in figurative and emotional language, are impressing and are easy to understand. One can find little complicated logic and dry scientific speculations in there. At the same time, books in socionics are full of schemes, complicated tables and theoretical constructions in a logic manner. The contrast between these two approaches is obvious.



Speaking the language of socioanalysis, the type theory has been developed by Humanitarians (NF types  see TABLE 3 ), including the founders, Isabel Briggs Myers and Catherine Briggs (INFP and INFJ), and many of their adherents. By contrast, founders of socionic schools and most active socionists belong, like A. Augustinaviciute herself, to the group of Scientists (NT types  see TABLE 3 ).



The contradiction between type theory, on the one hand, and socionics, on the other, is therefore implied by objective circumstances and in many details is similar to the classical dispute between the humanities and the sciences. The dispute between physicists and poets goes back into the deep past, and nobody has won in this dispute. And who still has doubts that the victory will profit no-one? The debate can only harm our common child, the scientific typology of personality and intertype relations.



I want to finish this survey article with a suggestion to unite the forces of specialists both in the US and here in order to eliminate the discrepancy of concepts and conventional signs as soon as possible, to develop a mutually acceptable language of communication between different schools and to profit from difference of opinions in favor of the future information civilization. Let us avoid competition and strive for cooperation!





7. Literature



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For a long time development ofwas limited by a single country's borders, but in 1984 its founder, Ausra Augustinaviciute, learned about the MBTI test (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator), and this was the beginning of communication between socionics and its transatlantic cousin.Comparison between the Americanandbecame possible due to the publication in 1995-1996 of several books by American authors: D. Keirsey, M. Bates, O. Kroeger, J. Thuesen, P. Tieger, and B. Barron-Tieger. Although the primary source, the theory ofdeveloped by C.G. Jung, is the same for the both typologies, there is a serious difference between them in contents and language.Moreover, whereas we, the socionists of the former USSR pretended that socionics can be considered as an independent science and are even sure we have created a new scientific paradigm, the American adherents of the named typology limited application of their typology to just people and their groups and, in my opinion, for this reason are satisfied with a very modest termI will hereinafter refer to the American theory and practice of studying human types as, or. The trilogy published in Russiagave a general overview of human types, their characteristics in the business sphere and relations between men and women.There are only 4 pairs of Jungian dichotomies splitting mankind into 16 types. All socionic schools apply them both in theoretical works and in practice, e.g. type diagnostics. However, Gregory Reinin (St. Petersburg) proved the mathematical existence of 11 derivative dichotomies describing the same 16 types in addition to the 4 basic onesIn addition to Jungian dimensions I often use severalthat have been already tested in practice:.These dimensions are not known to American researchersThe situation with type names becomes more and more sophisticated. The Americans refused to use Jung'sterm in favor of a different one called. On the other hand, in order to avoid misunderstanding in Russian word usage, A. Augustinaviciute renamed thedimension intoThe next problem encountered in attempts to study socionics goes back to the conventional symbols for dimension. In the US psychologists refer to Jungian dimensions by letters:vs.xtroversion vs.ntrovers ion),vs.ensing vs. ituitive),vs.hinking vs.eeling), andvs.udging vs.e rceiving). In socionics this system is known but rarely used.).On the other hand, socionics pays more attention to the so-calledabsent in the Americanbut strictly corresponding to the 8 basic Jungian typesa) structural and practicalb)of relations and emotionsc) force and perceptiond) time and potentialAspects are created by splitting each of 4 Jungian functions () into 2 components:and).Two different systems of signs [or symbols] are used. The first comes from A. Augustinaviciute's colleagues who have proposed geometric conventional signs:, and, either black or white. Later, I had proposed to refer to the aspects by letters, as more convenient as well as conforming to scientific tradition. The American system of signs [symbols] had not been known to me at that time.Alas, for this reason several letters have quite different meaning: compareas force sensing (in my system of socionic signs) andeeling in MBTI;as potential intuition (socionics) andntroversion (MBTI);as time intuition (socionics) andhinking (MBTI).My choice of letters was not voluntary: each letter corresponding to ahas its meaning. In the meantime, I tried to observe conformity of my symbols with the semantics of general scientific system of symbols: 6 information, 3 time, 5 energy, 4 force, etc. Here are these 8 universalia  the[I]www.typelogic.com[/I]motions,elations,ractice,ogic,ense,orce,ime,ntuitionEach type may be described in two different ways: by combining either Jungian dimensions or communication aspects, and the last is used exclusively in socionics. Difference of approaches leads to differences in type descriptions, and chaos emerges.American symbols consist of 4 letters, while ours of either 3 (type as a combination of Jungian dimensions), or 2 (as a combination of communication aspects).For example, the same type is named: ESTJ in the type theory, and in socionics: LSE,= PS in(a school in socionics founded by the author, Gulenko). The 4 letters system used in the US competes with the more compact socionic systems.The problem of type names is more complex. As a rule, human types do not have their particular names in the US and are indicated by 4 letters; exception is made only by Keirsey who refers to types according to occupation-related pseudonymsUnfortunately in the former USSR a misleading system of pseudonyms is still in use of naming types by celebrities (e.g. Writers:stands for ISFP,for ISTJ. Book heroes:stands for ESTJ,for ENTP. There are even persons unknown outside Russia). Several socionistsstill use such pseudonyms, ignoring the trend of transition to functional names.In 1989 (published in 1995) I made the first attempt among socionists to introduce a functionally motivated system of names to be convenient for management consulting practice and professional orientationbased on Keirsey system but slightly different (seebelow). It still helps me in reading lectures and performing seminars and trainings, and is described in details in sourced literatureMy repeated appeals to stop using ridiculous terminology have been ignored for a long time; finally, the situation changed, but instead of attempts to a dialog with me, the socionists in Kiev offered their own alternative system of names. Seeds of controversies and hostilities have been sown.Since socionic circles are not integral, and some of socionists are hostile to other schools, the diversity of name systems seems to grow up in the future. I see 2 ways out of this problem: either socionists will be able to come to an agreement like chemists did in a similar situation at Karlsruhe International Congress 1860, or one or two systems will win as a result of natural selection. The first way is preferable for our science, but in this case somebody will have to tame his ambitions.Type components (differentiation dimensions or communication aspects) are usually positioned in a certain order which allows building schemes. Such schemes are usually called models, and these are used both in socionics and in the type theory.The difference is that socionic models (e.g. the Model A  see) consist of communication aspects, whereas the American model consists of Jungian dimensions. As a result, these two models are not easy to combine. Our models consist usually of 8 positions, and American only of 4.Another essential difference: order of numbering functions in the model is also different. Let us consider for example two types: ILE,(ENTP) and LII,(INTJ). What are their main functions ()? A socionist would answer: for the first it is, and for the second it is(i.e.). By contrast, a type scientist says thatis the main function for the both, but it is(Ne) for ENTP and(Ni) for INTJ.In other words, hierarchy of functions must be the same for the both types: main, auxiliary, third, fourth. The difference is, that the ENTP's first function is, and the INTJ's is. According to socionics, however,isfor the both (), but has different positions in their models.