Kinie Profile Joined December 2011 United States 2005 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-04 22:47:36 April 04 2015 22:43 GMT #901



CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength).



Zion was mediocre this series, game 3 was probably his worst game he'd played in a while. Getting outplayed by Quas in that 1v1, combined with missing several important Rumble ults, really cemented CLG's loss in that last game. Game 1 Link was pretty bad, and the montage of missed Sej ults from Xmithie game 2 is why CLG lost that game.CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength). On April 05 2015 07:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:

Worst performers on CLG during that series



1. Link

2. Xmithie

3. Aphromoo

4. Zion

5. Doublelift



Tell me those rankings aren't fair I dare you son



edit: swapped aphro and xmithie



Personally I think Zion and Aphro are tied for third, they were mostly non-factors throughout most of the series, and their major mistakes (Aphro's suicide as Alistair, Zion dying in a 1v1 to Quas) could be attributed to tilt.



Doublelift did fine all series, he just couldn't carry hard enough.



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Honestly I think I might put Xmithie as 1, Link at 2. Sure, Link was terrible game 1, but Riot made a montage of Xmithie's missed Sej ults from game 2, and if he landed ANY of them it'd have at the VERY least made the game be even, if not put CLG into a huge lead and potentially let them even up the series. Personally I think Zion and Aphro are tied for third, they were mostly non-factors throughout most of the series, and their major mistakes (Aphro's suicide as Alistair, Zion dying in a 1v1 to Quas) could be attributed to tilt.Doublelift did fine all series, he just couldn't carry hard enough.Edit:Honestly I think I might put Xmithie as 1, Link at 2. Sure, Link was terrible game 1, but Riot made a montage of Xmithie's missed Sej ults from game 2, and if he landed ANY of them it'd have at the VERY least made the game be even, if not put CLG into a huge lead and potentially let them even up the series.

iCanada Profile Joined August 2010 Canada 5915 Posts April 04 2015 22:46 GMT #902 On April 05 2015 07:43 Kinie wrote:

Zion was mediocre this series, game 3 was probably his worst game he'd played in a while. Getting outplayed by Quas in that 1v1, combined with missing several important Rumble ults, really cemented CLG's loss in that last game. Game 1 Link was pretty bad, and the montage of missed Sej ults from Xmithie game 2 is why CLG lost that game.



CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength).



Well, by game 3 Liquid solokilled all three lanes without team work. Well, by game 3 Liquid solokilled all three lanes without team work.

Kinie Profile Joined December 2011 United States 2005 Posts April 04 2015 22:48 GMT #903 On April 05 2015 07:46 iCanada wrote:

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On April 05 2015 07:43 Kinie wrote:

Zion was mediocre this series, game 3 was probably his worst game he'd played in a while. Getting outplayed by Quas in that 1v1, combined with missing several important Rumble ults, really cemented CLG's loss in that last game. Game 1 Link was pretty bad, and the montage of missed Sej ults from Xmithie game 2 is why CLG lost that game.



CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength).



Well, by game 3 Liquid solokilled all three lanes without team work. Well, by game 3 Liquid solokilled all three lanes without team work.



Yeah, because CLG was on tilt, which TL did a fine job of doing by winning games 1 and 2. Yeah, because CLG was on tilt, which TL did a fine job of doing by winning games 1 and 2.

Amui Profile Joined August 2010 Canada 4122 Posts April 04 2015 22:49 GMT #904 On April 05 2015 07:43 Kinie wrote:

Zion was mediocre this series, game 3 was probably his worst game he'd played in a while. Getting outplayed by Quas in that 1v1, combined with missing several important Rumble ults, really cemented CLG's loss in that last game. Game 1 Link was pretty bad, and the montage of missed Sej ults from Xmithie game 2 is why CLG lost that game.



CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength).



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On April 05 2015 07:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:

Worst performers on CLG during that series



1. Link

2. Xmithie

3. Aphromoo

4. Zion

5. Doublelift



Tell me those rankings aren't fair I dare you son



edit: swapped aphro and xmithie



Personally I think Zion and Aphro are tied for third, they were mostly non-factors throughout most of the series, and their major mistakes (Aphro's suicide as Alistair, Zion dying in a 1v1 to Quas) could be attributed to tilt.



Doublelift did fine all series, he just couldn't carry hard enough.



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Honestly I think I might put Xmithie as 1, Link at 2. Sure, Link was terrible game 1, but Riot made a montage of Xmithie's missed Sej ults from game 2, and if he landed ANY of them it'd have at the VERY least made the game be even, if not put CLG into a huge lead and potentially let them even up the series. Zion was mediocre this series, game 3 was probably his worst game he'd played in a while. Getting outplayed by Quas in that 1v1, combined with missing several important Rumble ults, really cemented CLG's loss in that last game. Game 1 Link was pretty bad, and the montage of missed Sej ults from Xmithie game 2 is why CLG lost that game.CLG lost because their strong, 1v1 or skirmishing laners and players (which is CLG's strength) lost to TL's teamwork (which is TL's strength).Personally I think Zion and Aphro are tied for third, they were mostly non-factors throughout most of the series, and their major mistakes (Aphro's suicide as Alistair, Zion dying in a 1v1 to Quas) could be attributed to tilt.Doublelift did fine all series, he just couldn't carry hard enough.Edit:Honestly I think I might put Xmithie as 1, Link at 2. Sure, Link was terrible game 1, but Riot made a montage of Xmithie's missed Sej ults from game 2, and if he landed ANY of them it'd have at the VERY least made the game be even, if not put CLG into a huge lead and potentially let them even up the series.



The one at dragon was absolutely massive. There was room to hit THREE squishies with that. Even 2 probably would've guaranteed dragon, ace with 2-3 kills on karthus etc for basically free. That single missed ult cost them 2 turrets and 3 kills. The one at dragon was absolutely massive. There was room to hit THREE squishies with that. Even 2 probably would've guaranteed dragon, ace with 2-3 kills on karthus etc for basically free. That single missed ult cost them 2 turrets and 3 kills. Porouscloud - NA LoL

AlterKot Profile Joined January 2014 Poland 5253 Posts April 04 2015 22:52 GMT #905 OK so on one hand woo TL finally works. On the other I somehow subconciously thought that THIS IS THE TIME CLG FINALLY MADE IT WORK even though I didn't really care about NA this year. I will blame Link forever and Xmithie <<<<< Dexter but duh what a suprise. Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.

Kinie Profile Joined December 2011 United States 2005 Posts April 04 2015 22:57 GMT #906 I'd also like to give TL credit/props, they came together right when they needed to, weathered the storm of CLG's early game and lane phase, stuck to their game plan and (this next part is important) executed it properly to win team fights.

oneofthem Profile Joined November 2005 Cayman Islands 6380 Posts April 04 2015 23:24 GMT #907 clg's picks were really bad. link on tf is just hilarious. then the karthus did less damage than the adc that 2nd game, which should never happen We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love

Ryuu314 Profile Joined October 2009 United States 5184 Posts April 04 2015 23:27 GMT #909 The Curse is alive boys!

Ansibled Profile Joined November 2014 United Kingdom 7479 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-04 23:36:36 April 04 2015 23:35 GMT #910 They finally fixed game 3 stats.

Edit: Nope, they didn't... They took down the game 3 stats and readded the link but it's still the wrong one??? Highest IQ LL User - MSI 2019 AND Worlds 2019 'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'

Sonnington Profile Joined December 2012 United States 1106 Posts April 04 2015 23:48 GMT #911 I can't rate them in a list, it's never that cut and dry. I'd say Zion and Xmithie did the best since they made positive things happen for their team. While Aphro and Link did the worst since they didn't do anything positive and made more mistakes. As for Double, he didn't do anything at all. He was a complete nonfactor. Should we rank him as the worst because at least Aphro and Link -tried- to make things happen but failed?

Undead1993 Profile Joined January 2012 Germany 1394 Posts April 05 2015 02:06 GMT #915 On April 05 2015 11:01 ticklishmusic wrote:

CLG 4th place 4ever

not quite fourth though not quite fourth though SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO

cLutZ Profile Joined November 2010 United States 7571 Posts April 05 2015 02:16 GMT #916 On April 05 2015 08:48 Sonnington wrote:

I can't rate them in a list, it's never that cut and dry. I'd say Zion and Xmithie did the best since they made positive things happen for their team. While Aphro and Link did the worst since they didn't do anything positive and made more mistakes. As for Double, he didn't do anything at all. He was a complete nonfactor. Should we rank him as the worst because at least Aphro and Link -tried- to make things happen but failed?



I'm similar.



I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it. I'm similar.I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it. Freeeeeeedom

Itsmedudeman Profile Joined March 2011 United States 4722 Posts April 05 2015 03:19 GMT #917 On April 05 2015 11:16 cLutZ wrote:

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On April 05 2015 08:48 Sonnington wrote:

I can't rate them in a list, it's never that cut and dry. I'd say Zion and Xmithie did the best since they made positive things happen for their team. While Aphro and Link did the worst since they didn't do anything positive and made more mistakes. As for Double, he didn't do anything at all. He was a complete nonfactor. Should we rank him as the worst because at least Aphro and Link -tried- to make things happen but failed?



I'm similar.



I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it. I'm similar.I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it.

Well, it's just that Link and Xmithie played that poorly. All 3 games Link just played like shit except arguably the 3rd one but he ended up getting a free kill and then giving it back which was huge.



Then again, more emphasis could be put on the 1st game since the momentum obviously meant so much. That's definitely a game CLG shouldn't have lost and Link was the main contributor to the throw followed by probably Doublelift. Still, their decision making as a whole towards the late game was so terrible and the fights they choose to take are just random and have no sense of logic behind it. Well, it's just that Link and Xmithie played that poorly. All 3 games Link just played like shit except arguably the 3rd one but he ended up getting a free kill and then giving it back which was huge.Then again, more emphasis could be put on the 1st game since the momentum obviously meant so much. That's definitely a game CLG shouldn't have lost and Link was the main contributor to the throw followed by probably Doublelift. Still, their decision making as a whole towards the late game was so terrible and the fights they choose to take are just random and have no sense of logic behind it.

locodoco Profile Joined July 2010 Korea (South) 757 Posts April 05 2015 03:20 GMT #918 CLG drafts gives me such a headache >.<



I have no idea why they banned Morg, should either play it or give it to Xpecial and play around it with a protect the AD comp. The jungle pick was really bad too, if Xmithie isnt able to play Seju or Gragas on a competitive level, should ban both and just stick to Lee or Vi. Having a limited champ pool sucks but not drafting around it makes it suck even more.



Some how CLG went from having a great shot at finishing 2nd in the regular season to being the first team knocked out of playoffs in matter of a week. I account alot of it to meta shift ,bad drafts and improper use of their time. People will critique their players but the same 5 players gave TSM a run for their money for the spot at IEM and also held on to the 2nd place for the majority of the season. CLG should look into finding a new mid and jungle but also they should take a good look at their coaching staff. i wish riot would give me better ping

St3MoR Profile Joined November 2002 Spain 600 Posts April 05 2015 03:33 GMT #919 On April 05 2015 12:20 locodoco wrote:

Some how CLG went from having a great shot at finishing 2nd in the regular season to being the first team knocked out of playoffs in matter of a week.



this fact alone makes them underperforming when the playoffs come even more dramatic this fact alone makes them underperforming when the playoffs come even more dramatic Prophet in TL of the Makoto0124 ways

ticklishmusic Profile Joined August 2011 United States 8117 Posts April 05 2015 03:48 GMT #920 On April 05 2015 11:16 cLutZ wrote:

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On April 05 2015 08:48 Sonnington wrote:

I can't rate them in a list, it's never that cut and dry. I'd say Zion and Xmithie did the best since they made positive things happen for their team. While Aphro and Link did the worst since they didn't do anything positive and made more mistakes. As for Double, he didn't do anything at all. He was a complete nonfactor. Should we rank him as the worst because at least Aphro and Link -tried- to make things happen but failed?



I'm similar.



I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it. I'm similar.I'd agree with the consensus that Link/Xsmithie played poorly this series, but IMO people are being far too kind to doublelift. G1 I just didn't see him. He played the "fail dive" alright, but then did basically 0 damage in the post-baron jungle fight. In G2 they focused a ton of farm onto him and he was ahead of Kog in CS, but never really did anything with it.



Caster analysis on DL seemed pretty spot on, he was stuck with the CLG hit squad and never had a chance to farm up. Iirc there was a point where he was like 3 levels below Piglet.



CLG was playing the equivalent of a Spanish bullfight first game with wave controls and rotations until they cracked the base, but once TL blew that up there wasn't much of a chance of coming back.aube after the first fight they should have realized TL was strong and tried to just ward their side and play defensive until they were caught up, but they kept going around the map and taking fights since (I thibk) they felt the opportunity had slipped but wasn't quite gone. Caster analysis on DL seemed pretty spot on, he was stuck with the CLG hit squad and never had a chance to farm up. Iirc there was a point where he was like 3 levels below Piglet.CLG was playing the equivalent of a Spanish bullfight first game with wave controls and rotations until they cracked the base, but once TL blew that up there wasn't much of a chance of coming back.aube after the first fight they should have realized TL was strong and tried to just ward their side and play defensive until they were caught up, but they kept going around the map and taking fights since (I thibk) they felt the opportunity had slipped but wasn't quite gone. (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

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