jdseemoreglass Profile Blog Joined July 2010 United States 3773 Posts #1



I've been doing some research and data gathering recently, and it seems that the "troll strategy" is extremely popular due to its power, and getting used more and more everyday. Here is a graph I composed of thread strength in the face of the troll strategy.







As you can see, you quickly get overpowered without any chance of surviving. I am really hoping we can discuss this and maybe make a recommendation to Blizzard to patch trolls. Maybe slightly lower their "posts per second" stats, or perhaps increase their supply cost to maintain a better mod/troll ratio. Either of these options will diminish the exponential power the unit.



I've been trying to use a combination of logic/data to deal with this but it just fails epicly. Someone suggested exploiting their immobility by posting around them, but with these narrow thread chokes you simply can't get the positioning necessary!



I'm really at a loss here. Can you guys analyze the thread replays posted in the links to the left and give some tips? Thanks.





On December 16 2010 06:03 jacobman wrote:

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On December 16 2010 05:48 jdseemoreglass wrote:

Hey guys, I decided to do a little testing to get some data, and here are the results I came up with...







Hopefully we can reach some good conclusions with these results and do more testing in the future. Hey guys, I decided to do a little testing to get some data, and here are the results I came up with...Hopefully we can reach some good conclusions with these results and do more testing in the future.



By god, this is genius. It's quite obvious from this data that the most economical way to discuss a topic is to start a new thread right before the most recent thread on the topic reaches two pages of comments. Even better, if I don't start a thread at all, I will have zero pages! I don't think anything can beat that.



I've been doing it wrong all along! By god, this is genius. It's quite obvious from this data that the most economical way to discuss a topic is to start a new thread right before the most recent thread on the topic reaches two pages of comments. Even better, if I don't start a thread at all, I will have zero pages! I don't think anything can beat that.I've been doing it wrong all along!



Hmm... you might have something here... I'll be sure to try this next time, thanks! So guys, I've been having a lot of trouble with countering a mainly troll composition. I know this isn't the place for a balance discussion, but I really think they are imba and OP. I mean, with just one or two workers you can get HUNDREDS of trolls to quickly overrun any defenses imaginable.I've been doing some research and data gathering recently, and it seems that the "troll strategy" is extremely popular due to its power, and getting used more and more everyday. Here is a graph I composed of thread strength in the face of the troll strategy.As you can see, you quickly get overpowered without any chance of surviving. I am really hoping we can discuss this and maybe make a recommendation to Blizzard to patch trolls. Maybe slightly lower their "posts per second" stats, or perhaps increase their supply cost to maintain a better mod/troll ratio. Either of these options will diminish the exponential power the unit.I've been trying to use a combination of logic/data to deal with this but it just fails epicly. Someone suggested exploiting their immobility by posting around them, but with these narrow thread chokes you simply can't get the positioning necessary!I'm really at a loss here. Can you guys analyze the thread replays posted in the links to the left and give some tips? Thanks.Hmm... you might have something here... I'll be sure to try this next time, thanks! "If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006

Coolluigi Profile Blog Joined November 2010 United States 57 Posts #2 lmao, wow, i lol'd at work http://www.youtube.com/user/coolluigi007

Aldehyde Profile Blog Joined March 2010 Sweden 575 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-15 21:56:11 #3 I can't watch the replays right now but I think you need to just drop a link at them with a link to a site that gives them a virus. Then continue to harass with spam emails. With any luck you'll be at an advantage at this time, perhaps you even obtained information about where they live. Going from here is easy, go to their home and beat them up.

Schnullerbacke13 Profile Joined August 2010 Germany 1199 Posts #4 Wut ? I can't see no trolls ^^ 21 is half the truth

ChickenLips Profile Blog Joined May 2010 2912 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-15 22:02:10 #5 I've this really cool new BO that's called 'You should really consider if you want to be part of this community'. It helps a lot both in terms of not pissing off the people that actually do and also with not wasting the time of the mods that are eventually going to ban you if you keep crapping all over the place. ❤Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ✿

1Eris1 Profile Joined September 2010 United States 5797 Posts #6 TL trolls being bad? you need to see battlenet forums my friend Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!

jdseemoreglass Profile Blog Joined July 2010 United States 3773 Posts #7 On December 16 2010 07:01 ChickenLips wrote:

I've this really cool new BO that's called 'You should really consider if you want to be part of this community'. It helps a lot both in terms of not pissing off the people that actually do and also with not wasting the time of the mods that are eventually going to ban you if you keep crapping all over the place.



Ok thanks, I will look up the BO and give it a try...



But I thought mods were the hard counter to trolls? Ok thanks, I will look up the BO and give it a try...But I thought mods were the hard counter to trolls? "If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006

Novachi Profile Joined November 2010 Denmark 44 Posts #8 I think the ban hammer is a pretty good counter, but really it only buys you time. Oh these mutas man

Melancholia Profile Joined March 2010 United States 713 Posts #9 On December 16 2010 07:05 jdseemoreglass wrote:

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On December 16 2010 07:01 ChickenLips wrote:

I've this really cool new BO that's called 'You should really consider if you want to be part of this community'. It helps a lot both in terms of not pissing off the people that actually do and also with not wasting the time of the mods that are eventually going to ban you if you keep crapping all over the place.



Ok thanks, I will look up the BO and give it a try...



But I thought mods were the hard counter to trolls? Ok thanks, I will look up the BO and give it a try...But I thought mods were the hard counter to trolls?

Sometimes they ARE the trolls though. Sometimes they ARE the trolls though.

Natt Profile Joined August 2010 France 251 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-15 22:11:07 #10 ROFL this is funny (but has nothing to do on the strategy forum though).

jdseemoreglass Profile Blog Joined July 2010 United States 3773 Posts #11 On December 16 2010 07:08 Novachi wrote:

I think the ban hammer is a pretty good counter, but really it only buys you time.



Ban hammer eh... I've gotta try getting one of those. Could I find one on ebay? Ban hammer eh... I've gotta try getting one of those. Could I find one on ebay? "If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006

Bair Profile Joined May 2010 United States 698 Posts #12 Trolls are fine OP, l2play. In Roaches I Rust.

Iamyournoob Profile Joined August 2010 Germany 591 Posts #13 If you are having trouble with trolls you should maybe check out the WC3 or WoW forums - they are quite experienced with trolls.

darmousseh Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 3427 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-15 22:26:14 #14 Well, trolls rely heavily on consuming in order to survive, sometimes they even eat each other. If you simply starve them however, then they will all disappear. The best strategy involves simply giving them nothing to chew on and keeping them separated in tiny groups so they consume each other quickly yet not giving them enough time to breed. Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com

jacobman Profile Joined December 2010 217 Posts #15 If you're having troll problems I feel bad for you son

jdseemoreglass Profile Blog Joined July 2010 United States 3773 Posts #16 On December 16 2010 07:25 darmousseh wrote:

Well, trolls rely heavily on consuming in order to survive, sometimes they even eat each other. If you simply starve them however, then they will all disappear. The best strategy involves simply giving them nothing to chew on and keeping them separated in tiny groups so they consume each other quickly yet not giving them enough time to breed.



From my experience, they can self-sustain themselves in groups by consuming on eachother simultaneously. In fact, I've seen self-consuming groups EXPAND by breeding over time! I know this defies the laws of physics, which is part of the reason I think they are so imbalanced... From my experience, they can self-sustain themselves in groups by consuming on eachother simultaneously. In fact, I've seen self-consuming groups EXPAND by breeding over time! I know this defies the laws of physics, which is part of the reason I think they are so imbalanced... "If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006

darmousseh Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 3427 Posts #17 On December 16 2010 07:28 jacobman wrote:

If you're having troll problems I feel bad for you son



I've got 99 problems but a troll ain't one. I've got 99 problems but a troll ain't one. Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com

McMasters Profile Joined August 2010 6 Posts #18 I actually think your problem is that you refuse to change your build order.



Most posters go 9 facts 10 discussion 15 reasoned response,



but you insist on starting with 6 bait 7 mathfail 7 cry. You can't expect to have a good economy with that. That only works in GameFAQs league, and most people here got promoted out of that years ago.

Tadzio Profile Blog Joined October 2006 3286 Posts #19 cute. Try the website feedback subforum.