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Page 1 of 2 1 2 > 02-18-2018, 08:00 PM #1 (permalink) slothlips



Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5 6 month pit starting to act aggressive need help Hi, I have a 6 month old female pit who is scheduled to be spayed in two days. I have had her since she was 6 weeks old. I have a couple other dogs that I already had when I got her. Lately she has been trying to start fights with them and most of the time it's for no reason. She jumped on my male dog yesterday and I had to pull her off. I'm very concerned and not sure why she is starting to act this way. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Quote: slothlips Originally Posted by Hi, I have a 6 month old female pit who is scheduled to be spayed in two days. I have had her since she was 6 weeks old. I have a couple other dogs that I already had when I got her. Lately she has been trying to start fights with them and most of the time it's for no reason. She jumped on my male dog yesterday and I had to pull her off. I'm very concerned and not sure why she is starting to act this way. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk apbt breed dogs tend to have more dog aggression then other breeds due to the reasons they where originally bred for... Which may show up not at all or even all of a sudden.. If it's only in your house and your dogs you may be able to manage it with the help of people here and/or a professional, She is still young so it can work, but long term alot of people don't leave their dogs together un attended and some even crate and rotate to keep the peace and keep all dogs safe and happy.. What type of dogs are the others?



Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk Other people on here probably have a better idea then me but 6 weeks is quite young to separated from parents and siblings and can cause issues.. It could be a dominance thing as she's starting to get older, but long term,breed dogs tend to have more dog aggression then other breeds due to the reasons they where originally bred for... Which may show up not at all or even all of a sudden.. If it's only in your house and your dogs you may be able to manage it with the help of people here and/or a professional, She is still young so it can work, but long term alot of people don't leave their dogs together un attended and some even crate and rotate to keep the peace and keep all dogs safe and happy.. What type of dogs are the others?Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 04:32 AM #3 (permalink) slothlips



Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5 Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Other people on here probably have a better idea then me but 6 weeks is quite young to separated from parents and siblings and can cause issues.. It could be a dominance thing as she's starting to get older, but long term, apbt breed dogs tend to have more dog aggression then other breeds due to the reasons they where originally bred for... Which may show up not at all or even all of a sudden.. If it's only in your house and your dogs you may be able to manage it with the help of people here and/or a professional, She is still young so it can work, but long term alot of people don't leave their dogs together un attended and some even crate and rotate to keep the peace and keep all dogs safe and happy.. What type of dogs are the others?



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Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk Hi, thanks for the advice. I have a 5 year old male pit mix and a three year old Australian cattle dog. The 6 month old female pit is the one who always starts it. We have started rotating them as far as not going outside at the same time. Someone recommended a basket muzzle but that's not a permanint solution and I'm worried it might acctuly make the situation worse.Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk

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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Quote: slothlips Originally Posted by Hi, thanks for the advice. I have a 5 year old male pit mix and a three year old Australian cattle dog. The 6 month old female pit is the one who always starts it. We have started rotating them as far as not going outside at the same time. Someone recommended a basket muzzle but that's not a permanint solution and I'm worried it might acctuly make the situation worse.



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Do they play at all?

Is she snarling? She may be trying to make the other dogs submit. But they are older wiser and not giving in to her or treating her as a pup rather then to just bite back. Or do they lay on the ground submit rolls over etc and she ignores this?



Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk If dogs aren't 100 conformable with the muzzle ie being introduced through positiveNess and wanting to put it on, it will create more tension on her etc, in more severe adult dog aggression cases I have seen dogs be reintroduced on lead with the muzzle and it would attack but get nothing out of it and slowly working to off lead and then on lead without it and off lead without it. That wasn't a necessarily everyday dog it lived with tho, that was just other small dogs it thought was prey or a threat and thru the use of the muzzle it realized it was OK with the dog's and didn't mind them anymore.. How much exercise does she get? It could be worth getting a behaviorist opinion, they may know a proper way to break up the fight and submit her letting her know to learn her place(I'm not saying to do this without experience in dog psychology) but it is us the humans who should create the rules, they may say it's todo with excess energy and then the dog has no ability to listen or read the situation, altho associated with dog aggression, being so young, even tho 6 months is maturing abit she may just be full of beans(young dogs tend to recoupe there energy back up a 2 or 3 times a day) frustrated pushing boundaries or trying to force play..Do they play at all?Is she snarling? She may be trying to make the other dogs submit. But they are older wiser and not giving in to her or treating her as a pup rather then to just bite back. Or do they lay on the ground submit rolls over etc and she ignores this?Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 05:09 AM #5 (permalink) slothlips



Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5 Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by If dogs aren't 100 conformable with the muzzle ie being introduced through positiveNess and wanting to put it on, it will create more tension on her etc, in more severe adult dog aggression cases I have seen dogs be reintroduced on lead with the muzzle and it would attack but get nothing out of it and slowly working to off lead and then on lead without it and off lead without it. That wasn't a necessarily everyday dog it lived with tho, that was just other small dogs it thought was prey or a threat and thru the use of the muzzle it realized it was OK with the dog's and didn't mind them anymore.. How much exercise does she get? It could be worth getting a behaviorist opinion, they may know a proper way to break up the fight and submit her letting her know to learn her place(I'm not saying to do this without experience in dog psychology) but it is us the humans who should create the rules, they may say it's todo with excess energy and then the dog has no ability to listen or read the situation, altho associated with dog aggression, being so young, even tho 6 months is maturing abit she may just be full of beans(young dogs tend to recoupe there energy back up a 2 or 3 times a day) frustrated pushing boundaries or trying to force play..



Do they play at all?

Is she snarling? She may be trying to make the other dogs submit. But they are older wiser and not giving in to her or treating her as a pup rather then to just bite back. Or do they lay on the ground submit rolls over etc and she ignores this?



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Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk They play all the time. My older two have been great with her. She does not realy growl or snarl before hand she just starts snapping at them then tries to grab them by the throat and shake. The older male tries to go submissive and get away from her but she doesn't stop. The older female tries to fight back. We walk her every day and she's gets a lot of time out back to play.Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 05:21 AM #6 (permalink) Thunder01





Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Quote: slothlips Originally Posted by They play all the time. My older two have been great with her. She does not realy growl or snarl before hand she just starts snapping at them then tries to grab them by the throat and shake. The older male tries to go submissive and get away from her but she doesn't stop. The older female tries to fight back. We walk her every day and she's gets a lot of time out back to play.



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Does it only happen outside?



Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk Hmm maybe someone else will chime in... You can always try to drastically increase her excersize untill she gets older and see how that goes. A tired dog is a good dog and doesn't have time to imprint bad habits or problems on herself. My boy is 6 months and il walk him for atleast 2 hours everyday and play fetch, and I have to get him jumping up and down off walls and objects like an obstacle course to truly get him satisfied from a walk unless I use a flirt pole which I wouldn't necessarily suggest because it's prey drive based... Altho a good opportunity to do obedience and impulse control training..Does it only happen outside?Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 05:59 AM #7 (permalink) slothlips



Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5 Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Hmm maybe someone else will chime in... You can always try to drastically increase her excersize untill she gets older and see how that goes. A tired dog is a good dog and doesn't have time to imprint bad habits or problems on herself. My boy is 6 months and il walk him for atleast 2 hours everyday and play fetch, and I have to get him jumping up and down off walls and objects like an obstacle course to truly get him satisfied from a walk unless I use a flirt pole which I wouldn't necessarily suggest because it's prey drive based... Altho a good opportunity to do obedience and impulse control training..

Does it only happen outside?



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Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk No, it happens inside too. We are planning on starting obedience with her after she gets fixed.Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 06:08 AM #8 (permalink) Thunder01





Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Quote: slothlips Originally Posted by No, it happens inside too. We are planning on starting obedience with her after she gets fixed.



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Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk Does she have any obedience training? Follows the rules and limitations set by you? A dog that doesnt feel it is being led by a clear leader is an anxious unhappy dog(not saying she is unhappy but dogs are happier to be followers and just eat sleep play) but she may be worrying about controlling all situations in your pack and automatically take the position as leader it takes time to gain the position and they tend to rebel more as they go thru adolescents.Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 06:30 AM #9 (permalink) slothlips



Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 5 Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Does she have any obedience training? Follows the rules and limitations set by you? A dog that doesnt feel it is being led by a clear leader is an anxious unhappy dog(not saying she is unhappy but dogs are happier to be followers and just eat sleep play) but she may be worrying about controlling all situations in your pack and automatically take the position as leader it takes time to gain the position and they tend to rebel more as they go thru adolescents.



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Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk She has had no training. She does know sit and shake,lol. For the most part she listens to us and does follow the rules like when we tell her no or to get down or something and she does get sent to her crate for time outs when she is being too aggressive or playing too rough.Sent from my SM-T550 using Tapatalk 02-19-2018, 11:39 AM #10 (permalink) DynamicDuo Gold VIP Member





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Sounds like the development of DA, which has nothing to do with dominance. All bulldogs and their mixes are predisposed. It typically starts to show as dogs start to mature and this could be why it's rearing it's ugly head now. Regardless of what ANYONE tells you, DA CANNOT be trained out. You cannot train your dog and make it go away. It CAN be managed. Bulldogs don't typically snarl or growl or show any signs outward signs before attacking. If you know your dog well and know basic animal behavior you can see when it's going to happen but it's very rare that they actually growl or snarl or anything like that. It's usually the opposite. They get very quiet and still.



Don't leave your dogs unattended together under any circumstances. Don't give any value rewards, treats, toys, or food etc while they are together. Crate and rotate is your best bet. Get and learn how to properly use a break stick. Get started with obedience. You can teach her a focus command eventually where she will learn to direct and focus her attention on you but that takes time and a lot of practice. It is likely it won't be truly safe for all your dogs to be together. I know it's not what you want to hear but it's true. Many people with bulls crate and rotate and have happy dogs and happy lives.



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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Yeah grabbing and shaking is a sign of an attack like prey, I agree crate and rotate and perhaps seek help from a professional, if you value their expertise someone who's worked with 100s or thousands of dogs. Not just a few not a puppy school trainer or someone who thinks they know what there doing with no proof of results.. you might be able to manage it better for them to be out or walk together, but you probably won't be able to fully relax Or ever leave them alone, but you may be able to manage it better as she is very young, and it's involving the dogs of the house she lives in not every dog full stop.. but the idea can be a big risk when your girl grows up and is at full strength.. l would honestly say you'd be pushed to find someone who would truly help, rather then make it worse... And bar the dog fighting bull baiting bloodline etc part of it, wolves in the wild do have the same thing but much more rarely even pack leaders that are agressive attacking and even killing off the others rather then leading calmly, in the wild they get taken down by other members of their pack for acting this way... Just an interesting fact.. but if your gonna try and get help, which if your gonna spend the next maybe 20 years of your life with her in your house you may wanto give her the best shot at it.. do it now before she's to big if you can't solve it or make progress in a month or so you gotta do what's safe.. And keep them separate in the meantime



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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 You may also wanto consider if shes doing this from a calm state which it sounds like if it's happening inside... But you never know.. Which can be a more instinctual aggression then say if it's from over excitement and arousal, like when lots of stuff is going 1 dog here 1 dog there noise noise play play etc some dogs especially on the younger side, But it can become a worsening habit, will act aggressively out of over excitement an stimulation as it builds past a certain point And this can be managed more then if it's just out of instinct...



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Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 119 Also bucket of water poured straight on is good to snap a dog attacking or hanging on out of it so you can safely separate



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Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Also bucket of water poured straight on is good to snap a dog attacking or hanging on out of it so you can safely separate



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The bucket method doesn't generally work on bull breeds. Tenacity goes beyond water. Or just use a break/parting stick.The bucket method doesn't generally work on bull breeds. Tenacity goes beyond water.





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Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Yeah grabbing and shaking is a sign of an attack like prey, I agree crate and rotate and perhaps seek help from a professional, if you value their expertise someone who's worked with 100s or thousands of dogs. Not just a few not a puppy school trainer or someone who thinks they know what there doing with no proof of results.. you might be able to manage it better for them to be out or walk together, but you probably won't be able to fully relax Or ever leave them alone, but you may be able to manage it better as she is very young, and it's involving the dogs of the house she lives in not every dog full stop.. but the idea can be a big risk when your girl grows up and is at full strength.. l would honestly say you'd be pushed to find someone who would truly help, rather then make it worse... And bar the dog fighting bull baiting bloodline etc part of it, wolves in the wild do have the same thing but much more rarely even pack leaders that are agressive attacking and even killing off the others rather then leading calmly, in the wild they get taken down by other members of their pack for acting this way... Just an interesting fact.. but if your gonna try and get help, which if your gonna spend the next maybe 20 years of your life with her in your house you may wanto give her the best shot at it.. do it now before she's to big if you can't solve it or make progress in a month or so you gotta do what's safe.. And keep them separate in the meantime



Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk bulldog experience. These dogs are different, especially when it comes to DA and drive, than most other dogs and someone with experience in bull breeds is your best option. As far as being young and it being dogs that your pup lives with. When it comes to DA neither of these facts matter. DA is DA is DA regardless of age or what dogs it affects. It's true that sometimes DA is selective and only shows with some dogs but that is irrespective of where the dog lives or the age of the dog showing the DA.



Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by You may also wanto consider if shes doing this from a calm state which it sounds like if it's happening inside... But you never know.. Which can be a more instinctual aggression then say if it's from over excitement and arousal, like when lots of stuff is going 1 dog here 1 dog there noise noise play play etc some dogs especially on the younger side, But it can become a worsening habit, will act aggressively out of over excitement an stimulation as it builds past a certain point And this can be managed more then if it's just out of instinct...



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Quote: Thunder01 Originally Posted by Also bucket of water poured straight on is good to snap a dog attacking or hanging on out of it so you can safely separate



Sent from my G8142 using Tapatalk biggest and MOST dangerous myths out there when it comes to these dogs. Bulldogs and BBM's are persistent, courageous, and DO NOT give up. Dumping a bucket of water on a dog fight involving a bull will either have ZERO effect or just piss the dog off more and make things work. Please don't use this to attempt to break up a fight involving any bull breed or mix. You're only risking you and your dogs safety.



Jess You need to find a professional behaviorist withexperience. These dogs are different, especially when it comes to DA and drive, than most other dogs and someone with experience in bull breeds is your best option. As far as being young and it being dogs that your pup lives with. When it comes to DA. DA is DA is DA regardless of age or what dogs it affects. It's true that sometimes DA is selective and only shows with some dogs but that is irrespective of where the dog lives or the age of the dog showing the DA.I'm sorry but this is crap. Excitement and arousal are not aggression. Over excitement or an over-aroused dog can act in what can be perceived as an aggressive manner but not because they are being "aggressive" - it is because they are over excited and over aroused. Excitement/arousal issues are MUCH easier to deal with and can be 'trained' out or handled through exercise and training. Training can help manage a dog with DA but neither added exercise or all the training in the world with the top trainers/behaviorists will make DA 'disappear'.This is one of theout there when it comes to these dogs. Bulldogs and BBM's are persistent, courageous, and DO NOT give up. Dumping a bucket of water on a dog fight involving a bull will either have ZERO effect or just piss the dog off more and make things work.don't use this to attempt to break up a fight involving any bull breed or mix. You're only risking you and your dogs safety.Jess

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