MARC FISHER:

They're quite accurate.

I mean, he did have some early success in Atlantic City, but he had great trouble making the payments on the finance notes that he took out in order to build those casinos. He did have trouble paying and in many cases didn't pay some of his vendors and contractors. There was a series of lawsuits about that.

We have a number of such vendors and contractors who we quote in the books saying that their small businesses were ruined by Trump's failure to pay them for work that they did for his casinos. So there's a huge gap between what Donald Trump was able to do for himself in Atlantic City and what he — the people he ran roughshod over in order to get there.

We asked him about this. And he said: Look, I was looking out for myself and that other people took risks to come along with him and, if they failed, that's their problem.

We asked him, well, how does that translate into someone who needs to do something for all the people as president of the United States? And he said: Look, it's just a completely different phase of my life. I was doing this for Donald Trump, and I didn't likely care what was happening to other people.

So there's a large trail of destruction coming out of the Atlantic City experience. But he did at various points manage to make sure that he had a guaranteed income stream, and he did manage to negotiate with the banks in such a way that he was able to hold on to those properties or at least some portion of them even after they had essentially failed.