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**WARNING** - this only applies in 1v1 matchups . in all liklihood, your idiot teammates will kill you by firing their weapons at it. the leech will be an unmitigated disaster or prenerf shocktrain sized proportions



this is in reference to the thread started by ѻﻭɼﻉ

war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/35517/anti-leech-tactics?page=2&scrollTo=489875

I put this here so not to lose it, as the math on it bears relevance and people will need to know best ways to tank it. its not about tactics. just some number teardowns.



SUMMARY:



to readily kill a leech WITHOUT ACTIVE MODULES: use a raijin (which may or may not die depending on the little 「dookie」s loadout). or a lancelot. (which will likely die as well, but might survive)



to maim a leech, use a bulwark, maybe a fenrir. you will die. but you will leave that leech not so happy. using phildos ofcourse will potentially win the fight. but then we are playing phildo games and I'd rather play with myself than use a phildo.



to annoy a leech into going somewhere else: use a falcon, or an invader







assumptions and declarations:



The optimal leech has 4x corona. It will be at point blank. We will only consider burst damage because it is unplayable trash without its ability.



so it will rarely venture out without his ability. (I could puff on a cigar while playing this bot, and still have time to ash.)







10620x 4 x 9(rounds in clip adjusted for auto reload) = 382,320 in 4.5 seconds burst.











10620 x 4 = 42480 cycle dps



Here is what a dual viper build (stock, no boosters etc will do)















2x mk2 viper, over 12.2 seconds (and I realize leech will not have special mode that long)



Will deliver :

185250x 2 x .1 = 37050 impact damage

99000x 2 = 198,000 corrosion damage



Probably enough to kill a leech, assuming it has no last stand. (Of course it will have it tho)

You will take 129675 damage in return.



IIRC a level 8 leech has 110k hp, so taking a 10% progression to 12, and multiplying that by 1.2 = 193261





2x WASP / 1x viper:





4.5 seconds in :

15k wasp corrosion x 2 = 30000

19750 wasp impact x 2 x . 1 = 3950



Viper 36% clip = 35640

Viper impact 66690 x .1 = 6669



yields = 76259



You will have taken 30k to yourself.





no pilot skills or modules considered for damage (of which the leech will assuredly have many)







some bots:



FENRIR:



Even without the leech ability. It is actually the worst matchup of ALL the tanks. you have 470k adjusted health. 4.5 seconds in, youve taken 382k/470k, likely you've lost a weapon or 2. no hard shield. aegis will be down b/c you'd be an idiot to risk the overflow swapping to defense mode. the next 3 seconds he deals another 120k. 2.5 seconds to spare. your dead. assuming you rock a viper / wasp build, you've got a volley off. dealing some significant damage. if he messes up his timing, yo might get 2 shots off. dealing 75% of his health. your probably still dead, but you might kill him



LANCELOT:



ironically better suited. assuming a fortifier with shield expert, a lance would have in the range of 585k in shields. he would survive long enough to deal a full salvo of viper at the phantom. I earlier miscalculated the collosal corona dps. 4.5 seconds in, your PROBABLY still undamaged. another 5 seconds in, you've taken another 200k or so. your shields are wrecked. totally. assuming your a lance master (and you might be if you have been playing for years), your reasonably healthy at this point. by now, you've dealt the full viper damage. giving him well over 100k from it. 2 vipers dealing another 70k+ the leech is dead! unless ofcourse the leech goes with storms. then your up ãdookieã creek without a paddle.



WEYLAND:



defensive mode. 17% damage redux = 300k base / .83 = 361k. 382k - 28k in healing (mechanic and ability) your dead. healing? laf k bye. try this with an ares. you will see how utterly pointless it is, and he only has 2 corona. if your in a weyland you had better be running like a little girl as fast and as far as possible. ofcourse, of all the tanks, your the best suited to do this with spy (and only 5% better lol). just dont stand stil. whatever you do i. backpedal , and keep on backpedaling. your probably dead unless you are all over situational awareness.



RAIJIN:



defensive mode. 17% damage redux. shield expert 25%. no fortifier (b/c you need anti control) = 170kx1.25x2 = 425k shields.300k health. I'm not sure how damage reduction applies to shields. if we assume it applies , then we can say 425/.83 512k health on your shields. meaning 4.5k seconds in, your still alive. after he pummels you another 5 seconds (really less, b/c your in bastion mode. and dealing slaughter on a whole new level, your shields are gone and you have wrecked it.



A footnote. A raijin turns on a dime. If your good with it, he will never be able to evade your shield. And your shots will rarely miss.



This is by far the best tank counter to the leech by the numbers anyway .



FALCON



can readily survive the onslaught, can probably lock him down with a glory, walk around corner and then come back? you actually survive this. assuming your friends dont kill you, which they probably will.



INVADER



probably the best counter to the leech. not because it has the health. (it doesnt), not because you can kill it. but because it can sit on the leech and suppress it. you will do nada in damage to it till its over, but then assuming its still hanging around, you can kill him. ofcourse he could just prance away at 60 and you'd be sitting their doing nothing but playing with yourself. but hey, your still living. and thats gotta count for something.



BULWARK



I forgot you b/c I hate your ugly feet. and general cheesy non stop buffs to make you try to not suck.



ok, I'm gonna assume your the kind of guy who loves fortifiers. b/c why wouldnt you on a bulwark. so you have that and shield expert. giving you 404k in shields. I mean. you probably should anyway, with he leech coming out. your aegis is meaningless. b/c he walks right past it. so now he has to deal with that 404k mountain of rock between you and your tasty 228k of flesh. I've given the bulwark a 3 module advantage over the leech in this case. assuming all goes to plan, he kills you half a second after his leech drops. in reality its probably a second or 2 after, b/c he does have to get into your cookie from whatever corner hes hiding in. a tight match up, but not enough to bring home the bacon, b/c your locked down. and the leech probably causes your guns to miss like they do on anything hugging your legs. also you shot him with vipers. so your dead.













a little math, to figure out how to tank the leech.this is in reference to the thread started by, here:I put this here so not to lose it, as the math on it bears relevance and people will need to know best ways to tank it. its not about tactics. just some number teardowns.but you will leave that leech not so happy. using phildos ofcourse will potentially win the fight. but then we are playing phildo games and I'd rather play with myself than use a phildo.The optimal leech has 4x corona. It will be at point blank. We will only consider burst damage because it is unplayable trash without its ability.so it will rarely venture out without his ability. (I could puff on a cigar while playing this bot, and still have time to ash.)10620x 4 x 9(rounds in clip adjusted for auto reload) = 382,320 in 4.5 seconds burst.10620 x 4 = 42480 cycle dpsHere is what a dual viper build (stock, no boosters etc will do)Will deliver :185250x 2 x .1 = 37050 impact damage99000x 2 = 198,000 corrosion damageProbably enough to kill a leech, assuming it has no last stand. (Of course it will have it tho)You will take 129675 damage in return.4.5 seconds in :15k wasp corrosion x 2 = 3000019750 wasp impact x 2 x . 1 = 3950Viper 36% clip = 35640Viper impact 66690 x .1 = 6669yields = 76259You will have taken 30k to yourself.some bots:Even without the leech ability. It is actually the worst matchup of ALL the tanks. you have 470k adjusted health. 4.5 seconds in, youve taken 382k/470k, likely you've lost a weapon or 2. no hard shield. aegis will be down b/c you'd be an idiot to risk the overflow swapping to defense mode. the next 3 seconds he deals another 120k. 2.5 seconds to spare. your dead. assuming you rock a viper / wasp build, you've got a volley off. dealing some significant damage. if he messes up his timing, yo might get 2 shots off. dealing 75% of his health. your probably still dead, but you might kill himironically better suited. assuming a fortifier with shield expert, a lance would have in the range of 585k in shields. he would survive long enough to deal a full salvo of viper at the phantom. I earlier miscalculated the collosal corona dps. 4.5 seconds in, your PROBABLY still undamaged. another 5 seconds in, you've taken another 200k or so. your shields are wrecked. totally. assuming your a lance master (and you might be if you have been playing for years), your reasonably healthy at this point. by now, you've dealt the full viper damage. giving him well over 100k from it. 2 vipers dealing another 70k+ the leech is dead! unless ofcourse the leech goes with storms. then your up ãdookieã creek without a paddle.defensive mode. 17% damage redux = 300k base / .83 = 361k. 382k - 28k in healing (mechanic and ability) your dead. healing? laf k bye. try this with an ares. you will see how utterly pointless it is, and he only has 2 corona. if your in a weyland you had better be running like a little girl as fast and as far as possible. ofcourse, of all the tanks, your the best suited to do this with spy (and only 5% better lol). just dont stand stil. whatever you do i. backpedal , and keep on backpedaling. your probably dead unless you are all over situational awareness.defensive mode. 17% damage redux. shield expert 25%. no fortifier (b/c you need anti control) = 170kx1.25x2 = 425k shields.300k health. I'm not sure how damage reduction applies to shields. if we assume it applies , then we can say 425/.83 512k health on your shields. meaning 4.5k seconds in, your still alive. after he pummels you another 5 seconds (really less, b/c your in bastion mode. and dealing slaughter on a whole new level, your shields are gone and you have wrecked it.A footnote. A raijin turns on a dime. If your good with it, he will never be able to evade your shield. And your shots will rarely miss.This is by far the best tank counter to the leech by the numbers anyway .can readily survive the onslaught, can probably lock him down with a glory, walk around corner and then come back? you actually survive this. assuming your friends dont kill you, which they probably will.probably the best counter to the leech. not because it has the health. (it doesnt), not because you can kill it. but because it can sit on the leech and suppress it. you will do nada in damage to it till its over, but then assuming its still hanging around, you can kill him. ofcourse he could just prance away at 60 and you'd be sitting their doing nothing but playing with yourself. but hey, your still living. and thats gotta count for something.I forgot you b/c I hate your ugly feet. and general cheesy non stop buffs to make you try to not suck.ok, I'm gonna assume your the kind of guy who loves fortifiers. b/c why wouldnt you on a bulwark. so you have that and shield expert. giving you 404k in shields. I mean. you probably should anyway, with he leech coming out. your aegis is meaningless. b/c he walks right past it. so now he has to deal with that 404k mountain of rock between you and your tasty 228k of flesh. I've given the bulwark a 3 module advantage over the leech in this case. assuming all goes to plan, he kills you half a second after his leech drops. in reality its probably a second or 2 after, b/c he does have to get into your cookie from whatever corner hes hiding in. a tight match up, but not enough to bring home the bacon, b/c your locked down. and the leech probably causes your guns to miss like they do on anything hugging your legs. also you shot him with vipers. so your dead.