Arcade Fire frontman Win Butler has spoken on Father John Misty’s “Total Entertainment Forever” lyric about Taylor Swift, as NME points out. When discussing the line in an interview with The Sunday Times, Butler said, “Who cares?” He adds, “That’s why an artist like [Joshua] Tillman is vital, because stuff now is just so safe.” According to the writer, Butler said FJM’s line is really a jab at Kanye West, who made his own Taylor Swift reference on The Life of Pablo’s “Famous.” Butler called West’s line “strange and not right.” Find the full interview here. Pitchfork has contacted representatives for Arcade Fire, Kanye West, and Taylor Swift. A Father John Misty representative offered no comment.

After performing “Total Entertainment Forever” on “Saturday Night Live” in March, FJM explained his line about Taylor Swift (“Bedding Taylor Swift every night inside the Oculus Rift”). “Human civilizations have been entertaining themselves in disgusting ways all through human history,” he said. “We have to consider that maybe there are ways in which we entertain ourselves now that are equally as disturbing.” Tillman continued, “The fact of the matter is, I don't want that to happen to Taylor Swift. That is the worst thing I can think of; that is so horrible.”

Kanye West’s line about Taylor Swift (“I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex/Why? I made that bitch famous”) has been the subject of significant controversy. Kanye and Kim Kardashian West claimed that Swift consented to the line, and also leaked partial video of the phone call where they claim that she allegedly approved. Swift noted, however, that the footage did not include Kanye telling her that he would rap, “that bitch,” and wrote in a statement that he never informed her of those lyrics. She also accused the Wests of “character assassination.” It was later reported that Swift’s lawyer threatened legal action against the Wests for leaking the footage.