Religious people, existentialists, your basic unreconstructed internet tough guy....no-one grapples with the moral dilema of procreation. Is it just an aspect of our DNA worship? Dna did create us from the clay but is life worth the effort, just to pass it on? Is there any argument for procreation (referencing religion is not an argument) that isn't 3 billion years of genetic bias?

DO a google search on 'our purpose is to reproduce" or some similar statement. THESE THINGS GO UNCHALLENGED! People actually look to nature for standards, deriving oughts from is'. Do they really tell their kids this? THat they were consigned to a life sentence (followed by a death sentence) for reasons that only dna can explain? I believe in granular freee will-we can choose between a few immediate options in the near future although our makeup history and environment count for more in bigger choices than deciding 'what's for dinner'.. Can we rationally own up to our decision to have kids and really say why without cringe-worthy gametofascism or some kitschy crap about self-created and uttely temporary meaning?

Otherwise people just say that since antinatalists believe life is meaningless then any opinions are subjective and sparing the children is not superior to having them, one's personal preference for kids is enough. Are parents such moral nihilists they don't see why to justify child-bearing in a broader framework? No mention of how this subjective preference depends on someone else's risk and hassle? Actually, antinatalists believe that suffering is important, but not meaningful. The meaninglessness and contingency of suffering is the very problem, don't you see??? The universe mocks us, yet we are not even worth gloating over! Humans ahve to straddle objective meaninglessness and subjective needs. We simply can't be neutral about the paths life offers.

Suffering is fundamental to fragile beings in a mechanical universe. Not just pain and danger, but I also include drudgery, ablutions/homeostasis, callous disregard, burdensome obligations, the Bored of Damocles hanging over us etc. Is it 'opinionated' to loathe suffering? Ah but now people are just chomping at the bit to point out my myopia to 'the finer things' and I now expect the middle-class westerner liturgy of the world's wonders. Never mind that these things are temporary, require drudgery, lose their spark the more you use them, often expose you to harm, often anticlimactic.....religious people are more upfront about how bogus this plane of existence is, though they think heaven makes it ok (hell makes it worse but I don't try to reason with theotards). The problem of evil is a huge one for god's creation, but not parent's procreation. In fact, look at atheists hammering away at theotards (slightly more rigid than leotards) about the kafkaesque horrors, with dostoyevsky references etc etc of this evil world, but turn around and gush about how lucky we are to be here. Huh? The universe is gonna die out anyway. Why interrupt my eternal slumber?

I think my parents were idiots. They weren't bad per se, I think parents are idiots in general. And if they think I am wiping *** when they are old n feeble (the only sensible sprogging rationale) they are misguided. Every day I think about suicide. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. Why was I put in this position, just to go back to my original one? I am sick of mindless breeding.. Greater minds than me have pointed out the facile stupidity of life, the universe and everything. Say what you want about human extinction, the unborn don't care any more than the martians.

What is all this 'Life academy' pap we get smeared with, btw? About how it makes you stronger, makes us cherish, grow as a person blah blah blah life is objectively pointless, and we put quantifiable effort into it, whit a good chance of disappointment or outright harm. And so we're hamsters chained to the need/desire wheel or treadmill. WHAT ARE WE TRAINING FOR? Isn't it a kind of profit to avoid making a loss? Is it wonderful to train at an olympic level, even though you get benched all through your active career? We pride ourselves on our rationality, yet we perpetuate futile endeavors. Smh

So considering life's general futility is equal to its avoidability, why is it wrong to wish more people would take that option? I would love to talk about saving the animals, those instinct bundles, fellow DNA slaves, from their suffering too (efilism-don't say urges='informed decisions'. Animals can suffer, but they can't *decide*, cant consider ramfications.) but apparently we have to pass through the elementary/preliminary. But as people realise just what a poor motivator DNA is, I am sure tht the last enemy to be conquered...will be life. Can a rational mind affirm life, inflict this burden in good faith?