1 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-02 01:48 ID:06Lc0/iS (Image: 250x250 png, 14 kb) Del] I'll try this again, but better.



Do any of the Dollars practice Witchcraft or any other form, branch, family, or sect of Magick?



I personally practice Hermetic Cermonial magick. Much of that practice involves the evoking of spirits physical and spiritual Alchemy. Neither of those are things I practice with emphasis.



If there is anyone who practices any of the Arts, please leave a message here and we can get in further contact to discuss things. We don't necessarily need to share anything. It's just nice to speak with like-minds.



If you're interested in the art of casting, I can lead you to some books to help get you started, but it's something you need to take the effort to learn and research yourself. You will not be spoon-fed information.

2 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-02 01:50 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] gosh..



*...the evoking of spirits AND physical and spiritual Alchemy.

My apologies..

3 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-09 21:41 ID:t5k6/uby (Image: 236x236 jpg, 21 kb) Del] Right here. I'm a wiccan

4 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-09 21:42 ID:t5k6/uby (Image: 640x480 jpg, 63 kb) Del]

5 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-09 21:42 ID:t5k6/uby (Image: 475x261 gif, 126 kb) Del]

6 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-09 21:42 ID:t5k6/uby (Image: 500x500 jpg, 72 kb) Del]

7 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-11 23:35 ID:t5k6/uby Del] Hello, A.I.d.a?

8 unko : 2015-08-12 00:56 ID:k7saatf9 Del] ya lost him aries!

9 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-12 03:19 ID:jZJW+CKq Del] Can someone post a legit chant or mantra?

10 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-12 21:15 ID:t5k6/uby Del] Not exactly my specialty. I work with spells and enchantments and earth magick. Anyone else??

11 unko : 2015-08-13 06:00 ID:v9x8HupI Del] in all honesty im actually anti magick and witchcraft becuase ive become more of a victim of it, as well as the family. Sooo our family is well known to be haunted by VARIOUS things. some are good, some are bad. But if you wanna know of a remedy against some form of this magick, holla at me aye.

12 hikari takamiya : 2015-08-13 06:50 ID:AfTYOZGe Del] nau maku sanmanda bazaradankan

nau maku sanmanda bazaradankan

rin pyou tou sha kai jin retsu zai zem

13 hikari takamiya : 2015-08-13 06:58 ID:AfTYOZGe Del] the nau maku bla is mantra

thw second one is shinto exorcism

14 hikari takamiya : 2015-08-13 06:59 ID:AfTYOZGe Del] i think

15 unko : 2015-08-13 08:36 ID:v9x8HupI Del] >>12 >>13 whata wha? i dun do exorcisms like that either lol

16 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-13 09:34 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

Aries, you didn't need to spam the thread with your pictures, but okay.



I'm glad to see there are a least a couple practitioners here.



I'm sorry you've had such negative experiences with Magick, but there are several things you can learn to remedy the negative effects of others intent, not all of them pure spellwork.



>>12



A mantra is only one piece of a successful mediation. To complete it, you need a mudra, which means motion, and a mandala, which is a meditative thought used to focus attention. Mantra means sound.



A particular meditation I use involves the mantra "So Hum" (the only Sanskrit mantra that doesn't need to be spoken).

As you breath in through your nose you say "So", envisioning pure white prana entering your body, and as you exhale through your mouth you say "Hum", envisioning dark stale prana leaving.

"So Hum" is the sound of breath, and while you perform this meditation, you are to sit in Asana while performing the Jana or Gyan mudras with both hands placed on your knees.

(http://www.yogicwayoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Jnana_mudra_gyan_mudra_yoga.jpg) Sorry guys, I didn't realize so many people replied to this.Aries, you didn't need to spam the thread with your pictures, but okay.I'm glad to see there are a least a couple practitioners here. >>11 I'm sorry you've had such negative experiences with Magick, but there are several things you can learn to remedy the negative effects of others intent, not all of them pure spellwork. >>13 I'm not going to intone those words, but I'll take yours on it. >>9 A mantra is only one piece of a successful mediation. To complete it, you need a mudra, which means motion, and a mandala, which is a meditative thought used to focus attention. Mantra means sound.A particular meditation I use involves the mantra "So Hum" (the only Sanskrit mantra that doesn't need to be spoken).As you breath in through your nose you say "So", envisioning pure white prana entering your body, and as you exhale through your mouth you say "Hum", envisioning dark stale prana leaving."So Hum" is the sound of breath, and while you perform this meditation, you are to sit in Asana while performing the Jana or Gyan mudras with both hands placed on your knees.(http://www.yogicwayoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Jnana_mudra_gyan_mudra_yoga.jpg)

17 A.I.d.A !k7vhN/4V.c : 2015-08-13 09:43 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] I'm willing to share a particularly useless, but powerful spell with you all that is difficult to find information on on the Internet (God love this digital age).



Sit in Asana and perform the Rin mudra.



As you hold the mudra, intone the mantra AUM VAJA MANATAYA SVAHA at half your normal breathing rate.



After a time of intoning the mantra (once you feel your mind is set) visualize a bright red orb of pure energy entering your body through the tip of your skull, and pull it all the way down to your root chakra at the base of your spine. When it reaches the bottom of your spinal chord and pranic tube, imagine it igniting a fire there, and each new breath in you take fans the flames, making them hotter.



This meditation is the first of nine cuts in a series of meditations known as Kuji-In and Kuji-Kiri.

This particular cut is used to awaken Kundallini energy at the base of your spine and force it upwards.

As a notice of caution, your body will increase in temperature while performing this meditation (properly), so clothe appropriate.

18 A.I.d.a !k7vhN/4V.c : 2015-08-13 09:43 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] I messed up my password somehow.

19 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-13 09:45 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Fixed I think.

20 geek freek : 2015-08-13 20:32 ID:WXDIAi4M Del] meditation with thoh u should search it up. its about opening third eye. that should make your witch craft and magick interesting. but beware some people has had awful experiences after and while opening their third eye. awakening I is a bit iritating while Awakening II is pleasurable. thats what i heard.

21 unko : 2015-08-13 23:51 ID:v9x8HupI Del]



Sometimes during these ritual you might find odd stuff going on with it (such as a chilli going missing when you're not looking or even half of it) but all is good in the end of it. When half of it is gone, i do believe 'they' are up to more planning. But this is just from my own experience as sometimes ive found things that are cut in half very strangely, they really like to cut things.... >>16 Currently what we do is that if you seem to be affected, at night burn seven dry red chillies on an open fire until they turn to ashes. For an open fire we use the stove. If you were affected by something, there will be no chilli smell or sensation in the air meaning the remedy works and you were very much indeed affected by some forces. It's the opposite if the remedy doesnt work (meaning your eyes will begin to water and etc etc.). By the way this can also work against the Evil eye.Sometimes during these ritual you might find odd stuff going on with it (such as a chilli going missing when you're not looking or even half of it) but all is good in the end of it. When half of it is gone, i do believe 'they' are up to more planning. But this is just from my own experience as sometimes ive found things that are cut in half very strangely, they really like to cut things....

22 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-14 00:29 ID:06Lc0/iS (Image: 200x99 gif, 1 kb) Del]

Whatever you're doing to yourself, stop now before you cause some serious permanent damage.



>21 It sounds like that's similar to forms of smudging that exist in various Shamanic and Witchcraft practices.

I have my own methods of preventing spiritual attack that don't require the use of spirits or other forms of casting. I use my own energy to get the job done.



A good book I recommend for those of you poor souls who think you're master mages, when in reality are just starting off on the Path.

Initiation into Hermetics is a book written by a famous magician named Franz Bardon, who lived during World War 2.

It leads you through the prerequisite steps needed to perform powerful, successful magick. This book highlights very important steps that are needed in practice that many other paths ignore or look down on.

The secrets shared in this book are information that used to only be available to initiates and high-orders who offered limited entrance into their walls.



I'm happy to try and teach some of you guys some things you may like, and that may help on your path to Truth, but the Great Work takes a lot of dedication and effort, and you must be willing to take what I give you and go running with it.



Btw, I meant to post this picture in my last post. This is the Rin Mudra. >>20 first of all, there's so much wrong with this statement, I don't even known where to begin. You clearly known absolutely nothing about the chakras or their significance and use.Whatever you're doing to yourself, stop now before you cause some serious permanent damage.>21 It sounds like that's similar to forms of smudging that exist in various Shamanic and Witchcraft practices.I have my own methods of preventing spiritual attack that don't require the use of spirits or other forms of casting. I use my own energy to get the job done.A good book I recommend for those of you poor souls who think you're master mages, when in reality are just starting off on the Path.Initiation into Hermetics is a book written by a famous magician named Franz Bardon, who lived during World War 2.It leads you through the prerequisite steps needed to perform powerful, successful magick. This book highlights very important steps that are needed in practice that many other paths ignore or look down on.The secrets shared in this book are information that used to only be available to initiates and high-orders who offered limited entrance into their walls.I'm happy to try and teach some of you guys some things you may like, and that may help on your path to Truth, but the Great Work takes a lot of dedication and effort, and you must be willing to take what I give you and go running with it.Btw, I meant to post this picture in my last post. This is the Rin Mudra.

23 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-14 00:33 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] By the way, the book I posted is not specific to *ANY* dogma or religion, and can be combined with your daily life no matter what your spiritual beliefs are.

It used language most anyone can understand, and is written to accommodate even the lazy mans life.

Even if you read it just for theory, this book is an indispensable piece of literature and spiritual pathwork.

24 Adam : 2015-08-14 23:38 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] lol I was unaware we have total nutcases on this site xD

25 unko : 2015-08-15 01:43 ID:v9x8HupI Del] heya Aida is it alright if I could email you please? I want to ask you some personal questions which I think maybe you wouldnt want to answer out in the open.

26 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 03:19 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



Unko, I would prefer to answer questions here, or in a new thread, or at a site of your choosing. I do not wish to share my personal email, and I don't want to create a throw away email for this single purpose.



This is a new age, so I'm sure the powers that be wouldn't mind if I answered some simple questions anonymously. It's not like I'll be sharing any special secrets that you can't learn elsewhere.



Go ahead and ask away, I'll do my best to answer what I know I'm capable of. >>24 Adam, I swim in insanity. You have no idea what you've stepped into. >>25 Unko, I would prefer to answer questions here, or in a new thread, or at a site of your choosing. I do not wish to share my personal email, and I don't want to create a throw away email for this single purpose.This is a new age, so I'm sure the powers that be wouldn't mind if I answered some simple questions anonymously. It's not like I'll be sharing any special secrets that you can't learn elsewhere.Go ahead and ask away, I'll do my best to answer what I know I'm capable of.

27 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 03:20 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Depending on your activity, I'm willing to chat with you on IRC as well.

I'll be available for the next hour or two, if you happen to be around. Otherwise we'll need to message here or arrange another method of contact.

28 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-15 03:25 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Just realised, it should be Ceremony in the title, with an extra e

29 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 03:28 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] >>28 You are correct. I've made a few typos, and it does upset me.

30 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-15 03:32 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] So the meditation have to performed in specific positions

Someone tell me the positions please, i'm someone who doesn't particularly know about the world of magic

31 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 03:40 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] The meditations I listed are to be performed in Asana.

http://blog.gaiam.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/BlissOut_PIC.jpg



The first meditation using the mantra "So Hum" Can be performed laying down as well, as long as you don't fall asleep, and remain straight with your body.



The Rin meditation can only be performed in asana.



Google can be your best friend, and I've made sure to use words that are easily searchable within the Internet.

32 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 05:07 ID:Yhbim5yo Del] AUM BHUR BHURVA SVAHA

TAT SAVITUR VARENYAM

BHARGO DEVASYA DHEEMAHI

DIYO YONAH PRACHDAYAT

33 unko : 2015-08-15 08:26 ID:v9x8HupI Del] >>26 >>27 ah thats okay it's understandable. I guess my first question is, what got you started on whitchcraft, magick and all? and also why do you continue to practice it?

34 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 08:51 ID:PIOiv8Rn Del] I've been lead down this road my entire life, and it was inevitable that id end up here.

There came a point in my study of religion and philosophy that I learned there were certain universal truths that existed tthroughout all dogmas, that have been taught by most religions.

I continue this practice because I have a deep desire to understand God and Truth. There also is nothing else.

35 unko : 2015-08-15 09:23 ID:v9x8HupI Del] I see, i guess when you're embraced by it you take it up at some point. So is magick related to God? Also what do you get out of it? Sorry if these questions sound a bit rude, i just get very curious

36 Viritveus : 2015-08-15 15:45 ID:P055KHz1 Del] I used to trying hard to be a sage, i even digging some infos about mantras, but witchcraft was too hard for me, so i be a satanic instead, every morning i do satanic chants in latin when i woke up

37 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 17:46 ID:6DrJoc42 Del]

As taught by Kabbalah, "God is an imprecise word for the only thing that actually exists."



A little bit of what i get out of my practice is Happiness and peace of mind. Happiness is as much of a skill as carpentry, and it must be learned just the same.



I don't know if you're a troll or just dumb, but you really need to learn a few things.. >>35 Put simply, "Magick" is the result Willed intent. Essentially, anything you do in Life that starts out as a thought is magick.As taught by Kabbalah, "God is an imprecise word for the only thing that actually exists."A little bit of what i get out of my practice is Happiness and peace of mind. Happiness is as much of a skill as carpentry, and it must be learned just the same. >>36 I don't know if you're a troll or just dumb, but you really need to learn a few things..

38 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-15 21:12 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Is it possible to summon a ball of water? If so, how? Please tell, I want to learn simple stuff

39 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-15 21:56 ID:fB9V8v8P Del] A ball of water? What?



If you want to begin magick, learn meditation and simply read the material I've mentioned in previous posts.

40 Odd !4ThKt9NeLg : 2015-08-15 22:46 ID:Wil0fG9j Del] >>13 you watch too much Ghost Hunt

41 Akemin !6FaPNwEQbw : 2015-08-15 23:46 ID:1Na/1j+7 Del]



What are some misconceptions I'm bound to have about your practice given that my acquaintance with the esoteric is limited to Persona, a book on alchemy I read when I was like 12, and some vague knowledge passed down from the fact that I'm Jewish? >>1 You're a Hermetic mage? What a coincidence, I was just about to do some research on the matter.What are some misconceptions I'm bound to have about your practice given that my acquaintance with the esoteric is limited to Persona, a book on alchemy I read when I was like 12, and some vague knowledge passed down from the fact that I'm Jewish?

42 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:04 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



First off, I haven't played Persona, but I've seen some heavy occult influence in it just by looking at screencaps and story quotes. I can't really offer you anything on the events or ideas portrayed in that game, especially as to how accurate any of them are.



Alchemy is a huge subject, which I even have a lot of trouble learning and deciphering through, so depending on the book you read, you still have a lot more to absorb.





Judaism actually has a lot of heavy magick- and mystical-influences in it's religion, but don't tell that to any dogmatic follower, or they'll have your head.

The entire Jewish aleph-bet is one big spell spread across 26 smaller spells. I actually encourage you to do a little bit of research into your background, as Jewish lore is ripe with secrets and power.



Hermeticism, as I know it (which isn't incorrect, but can still be heavily improved upon), revolves around the key truths passed down through all religion and sciences.

These truths are outlined in The Kybalion, a book said to originate from ancient Egypt (which is debatable.)

Hermeticism follows the teachings of Thoth Trismagistus, a mage from Egypt who ascended to become a godform, and was the teacher of magick and science to the ancient cultures.



A few common misconceptions I can think of relating to the Art include;

You need not believe in one, many, no, or any Gods to practice magick. As Initiation into Hermetics makes painfully clear, magick can be a part of any dogmatic following.

Those prayers that are said in church, the entire act of attending the services, it's all a spell made for a specific purpose.

Magick knows no dogma.



Also, many people believe that science and magick are two very separate things, but in reality, most magick is what conventional science has yet to fully understand. As we've been progressing, several of the key truths of magick knowledge have been learned and renamed by science as facts that are taught to the younger generation.



Magick, in the past, was called either The Path or the Great Art. Both of these saying hold incredibly true for it.

Taking up the path of initiation is more about learning your yourself and understanding where you fit in to the bigger picture. This path leads to more questions than it does answers, and it travels with you through many lifetimes.

Every human soul is destined to walk this path in their own way, at some point or another.

The quicker you start, the easier it becomes.



I have a hard time talking about this subject, because there's just such a ridiculous amount to learn and understand. I do a lot better with specific questions rather than general conversation.



In Kabbalah, (spelled Qabbalah in Judaism, although the spelling makes no real difference) teaches that the purpose of life, as dictated by God, is to create a creature and to fill it with utmost delight.

As you can tell by our society, that isn't going over very well.



A fantastic quote I read in a poem called The Epitaph of Twilight states:

"No memories remain but this:

The Whole cannot be changed. We have already lost that chance.

Because the time left to use was short, we were mistaken in our path.

But no do we realize, we should not alter the whole, but change the parts."



Change yourself, not society.

That is the only thing you can do to fix anything, as there the only constant is Change. >>41 That's actually a really good question, that I'm going to have a hard time answering as well as you'd like.First off, I haven't played Persona, but I've seen some heavy occult influence in it just by looking at screencaps and story quotes. I can't really offer you anything on the events or ideas portrayed in that game, especially as to how accurate any of them are.Alchemy is a huge subject, which I even have a lot of trouble learning and deciphering through, so depending on the book you read, you still have a lot more to absorb.Judaism actually has a lot of heavy magick- and mystical-influences in it's religion, but don't tell that to any dogmatic follower, or they'll have your head.The entire Jewish aleph-bet is one big spell spread across 26 smaller spells. I actually encourage you to do a little bit of research into your background, as Jewish lore is ripe with secrets and power.Hermeticism, as I know it (which isn't incorrect, but can still be heavily improved upon), revolves around the key truths passed down through all religion and sciences.These truths are outlined in The Kybalion, a book said to originate from ancient Egypt (which is debatable.)Hermeticism follows the teachings of Thoth Trismagistus, a mage from Egypt who ascended to become a godform, and was the teacher of magick and science to the ancient cultures.A few common misconceptions I can think of relating to the Art include;You need not believe in one, many, no, or any Gods to practice magick. As Initiation into Hermetics makes painfully clear, magick can be a part of any dogmatic following.Those prayers that are said in church, the entire act of attending the services, it's all a spell made for a specific purpose.Magick knows no dogma.Also, many people believe that science and magick are two very separate things, but in reality, most magick is what conventional science has yet to fully understand. As we've been progressing, several of the key truths of magick knowledge have been learned and renamed by science as facts that are taught to the younger generation.Magick, in the past, was called either The Path or the Great Art. Both of these saying hold incredibly true for it.Taking up the path of initiation is more about learning your yourself and understanding where you fit in to the bigger picture. This path leads to more questions than it does answers, and it travels with you through many lifetimes.Every human soul is destined to walk this path in their own way, at some point or another.The quicker you start, the easier it becomes.I have a hard time talking about this subject, because there's just such a ridiculous amount to learn and understand. I do a lot better with specific questions rather than general conversation.In Kabbalah, (spelled Qabbalah in Judaism, although the spelling makes no real difference) teaches that the purpose of life, as dictated by God, is to create a creature and to fill it with utmost delight.As you can tell by our society, that isn't going over very well.A fantastic quote I read in a poem called The Epitaph of Twilight states:"No memories remain but this:The Whole cannot be changed. We have already lost that chance.Because the time left to use was short, we were mistaken in our path.But no do we realize, we should not alter the whole, but change the parts."Change yourself, not society.That is the only thing you can do to fix anything, as there the only constant is Change.

43 Adam : 2015-08-16 01:13 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] Wait you were serious? I thought u were one of those people who took their roleplay seriously. Oh god I'm scared now please dont chant me to death xP

44 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:20 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] There are a few very important things to know about practicing magick;



1. Intent is key. Will/Intent, means the very original beginnings of a though. It takes a lot of meditation to understand Intent as well as is needed. Pick up your hand. You just created intent, now meditate on this feeling and idea until it becomes so clear to you that any thought in your mind is instantly made reality.

Whether you believe a spell is all in your head (as chaos practitioners believe) or if you know it as fact to be part of reality, Intent is always start, middle, and end of every spell.



2. Most magick is Visualization. This essentially means, imagining, although not quite. The power of Mind is quite great, and it can make some marvelous things reality. There is, however, a great difference between a visualization and your imagination. Never be dissuaded by the power of the subconscious mind. Just because you can imagine something does not mean you can visualize it.



3. You must master yourself before you can master the outside world. If you take up this Path, be prepared to hate yourself for every moment you don't spend meditating and improving yourself as a human being.



4. Every question answered is followed by at least three more unanswered questions. Every time. Always. The pursuit of knowledge is hopeless and eternal.



5. All spells require a few key ingredients, and almost nothing more.

The Target of the spell (optional), the Purpose you want to achieve (required), the Qualities and Forces you imbue into the spell to achieve your Purpose (required), and the Fuel that you provide in order to make your spell work (absolutely required).



Obviously, this leave a hell of a alot of flexibility in your practice. You can literally do almost anything, and, as long as your mental attitude is in the right place, you can achieve absolutely anything.

45 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:21 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

Sad fact is, no one is laughing. >>43 I bet you think you're really funny.Sad fact is, no one is laughing.

46 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:22 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Magick takes on many forms. Tell me your address and I will come slit your throat using a short piece of glass and my bare hands.

That is the only magick I need to kill off fools like you.

Your body will serve a great purpose, don't worry.

I plan on using you to bring rain to my village for the next three months.

47 Adam : 2015-08-16 01:27 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] cute xD

48 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:39 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] >>47 You have spoken your volumes on your ignorance. You're now welcomed to leave my thread, never to return.

49 Adam : 2015-08-16 01:40 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] btw you sure you not doing the "visualisation" bit wrong? Sounds to me like you got a great imagination, keep it up might become a bestseller good luck and remember ... INTENT!

50 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:44 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

You make me pity you and people like you. Congratulations.



You are what's wrong with society. Ever heard of having an open mind? Clearly not.



I bet you were really popular in highschool. Or are still in highschool, and not popular at all.



Either way, read a fucking book. >>49 Again, all you're doing is spamming how poor your knowledge-base is.You make me pity you and people like you. Congratulations.You are what's wrong with society. Ever heard of having an open mind? Clearly not.I bet you were really popular in highschool. Or are still in highschool, and not popular at all.Either way, read a fucking book.

51 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 01:46 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Seriously, I can tell why you're hanging around Personal.

You're like all the other pathetic people here who hate their lives.

I came here hoping to help some people. Maybe you should read some of the material I mentioned.

52 Adam : 2015-08-16 01:50 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] Alright alright no need to get so sensitive just taking the piss. I thought you'd maybe see the funny side and laugh. Was worth a try. Idk bro kinda stuff's not for me wouldn't be into it. Goodluck with your hobby sorry for the trouble :P

53 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 02:01 ID:/de3UgsC Del]



I understand that its easier to be a skeptic than it is to believe in something outside of your small, dull world.

Easiness is no excuse for ignorance.



You're right, there isn't a need to get sensitive.

There also isnt a need to deal with trolls. >>52 a respectable reply, but your apology falls on deaf ears.I understand that its easier to be a skeptic than it is to believe in something outside of your small, dull world.Easiness is no excuse for ignorance.You're right, there isn't a need to get sensitive.There also isnt a need to deal with trolls.

54 Adam : 2015-08-16 02:04 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] ah but in your case what benefit is there to your enlightenment? is it knowledge for the sake of knowledge or is their a purpose?

55 Akemin !6FaPNwEQbw : 2015-08-16 02:22 ID:1Na/1j+7 Del]



Anyway all of this was /extremely/ helpful. Thank you very much. >>44 The pursuit of knowledge is hardly hopeless, even in that case. The pursuit of knowledge in the attempt to know all things? I guess, maybe, but that's pretty much doomed from the outset even if we do manage to get immortality at some point. But both the pursuit of useful truths we can use to improve the world (science) and the pursuit of knowledge for the joy of learning (also science)- if every question leads to more questions, then that just means that they're a wellspring of entertainment and potential value that never ever dries up. But I guess I'm an optimist.Anyway all of this was /extremely/ helpful. Thank you very much.

56 Adam : 2015-08-16 02:37 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] but surely if magick is even semi-plausible wouldn't its existence be common knowledge? Don't you think its quite far from a science which is based on facts and evidence. I'm not criticising just asking here. Why do think they are "ignorant" people like me if magick is such a painfully clear reality?

57 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 02:50 ID:gk7nqNpy Del] Its existence is common knowledge.

I could immediately link over 500 books on its theory, practice, history, and future.



Its not my fault your don't use the rresources at your disposal.

58 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 02:51 ID:gk7nqNpy Del] I was being generous and underexagerating, by the way.

Its more something like 20,000+ books.

59 Ryoryo !n0HhZXtkLI : 2015-08-16 03:08 ID:1Na/1j+7 Del] >>57 sure there is. there's also a shitload of books on cryptids. or vampires. or really anything you can think of. and they all say they're nonfiction. if magic were real we'd have military mages casting spells at our enemies. we don't have that. we have drones and shit because magic's not real.

60 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 03:37 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

The American government already had their fair share of projects involving magick, in several different forms.

Obviously they wouldn't call it by the name "magick", nor would they tell you the results of their experiments.

Don't act like you know what your government is really up to, smartass.



If you understand anything about what magick is, then you would know how wrong you are. I'm sorry you watched too much Harry Potter and got so far brainwashed by sparks flying out of wands that you can't even bother to do a small amount of research on what you're talking about.



The entire field of psychology came from occultists.

You guys can talk and talk, but I'm not here to try and convince you. If you want to be skeptical about it, I'm sure you can probably find a forum just so you can bitch about how fictional it is. Hell, you can even start your own thread right above mine, free to say whatever you wish in it.



My knowledge, or your lack-of, does not constitute a problem on my part. >>59 And that's where you're wrong.The American government already had their fair share of projects involving magick, in several different forms.Obviously they wouldn't call it by the name "magick", nor would they tell you the results of their experiments.Don't act like you know what your government is really up to, smartass.If you understand anything about what magick is, then you would know how wrong you are. I'm sorry you watched too much Harry Potter and got so far brainwashed by sparks flying out of wands that you can't even bother to do a small amount of research on what you're talking about.The entire field of psychology came from occultists.You guys can talk and talk, but I'm not here to try and convince you. If you want to be skeptical about it, I'm sure you can probably find a forum just so you can bitch about how fictional it is. Hell, you can even start your own thread right above mine, free to say whatever you wish in it.My knowledge, or your lack-of, does not constitute a problem on my part.

61 unko : 2015-08-16 04:12 ID:v9x8HupI Del] >>60 How did the government use magick?

62 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 04:20 ID:FzS0EztU Del] Their experiments with brainwashing is a notable example.

That movie "The Men Who Stare at Goats" is a satire film telling of their experiments with telekinesis. They did a good job at making it seem like their project was a failure.

Do a little research and you'll learn more than I can offer without digging up resources.

63 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 05:48 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] The picture posted in my first thread is a circle created by a sect that called themselves "The Illuminates of Thanateros."



These symbols were channeled by members of their order during their various rituals.

The website for this group existed for about two months after my first visit to the site. I made sure while I was there to copy down as much information as possible to decide what was truly usable.



I've used these symbols in my own work, and they do have their merit, although, as I didn't create the sigils myself, I don't have the current know-how to validate anything beyond their usability.



Starting at the top left, moving clockwise, the symbols represent; Fire, Air, Water, and Earth, the four Cardinal Elements.

Each element faces with the tip facing the circle pointed upward.



This picture, as a whole, represents the earth-sphere (symbolized by the black dot in the center), along with the Zone girdling the Earth, where the Cardinal Elements reside.



The little swirly things represent some other supposed esoteric bs, but by that point, I get too tired to care.

64 Adam : 2015-08-16 17:07 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] No one is mocking you they are just genuinely curious. If you are more knowledgeable than us in something wouldn't it be nice to simply fill us in. However you have basically stated that governments "do stuff" and "there are books" nothing you've actually said is concrete. As much as I want to try to believe you. It's others that are stubborn it's you who is impatient to explain. You don't have to write an essay just a simple shred of evidence which you haven't provided. I wanna believe your not completely bonkers but your making it hard to believe that.



Now go ahead if you wanna explain your free to do so but without a gazillion assumptions and attacks on the people commenting rather. People are thickheaded and believe what they want but the least you can do is supply some kind of argument which is backed up.

65 Adam : 2015-08-16 17:09 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] It's not that others are*



whoops typo xP

66 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 18:04 ID:MrCwsZYI Del] I have mentioned at least two books by name for you to read to get started.

All I can do is show you the light, I can't coax you into following it.



I've offered what I can on what's been asked, but people like Unko ask dumb and irrelevant questions that I'm forced to answer as clear as possible, which isn't as easy as you assume.

You know literally nothing about what I'm talking about and you've taken no time to read the introductory material listed, so your claims against me are quite weak.

Believe whatever you want, it's meaningless to me. Either read what I offer and improve yourself, or leave.

You choose your own failures.

67 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 18:07 ID:MrCwsZYI Del] I have better things to do than than spend my time convincing skeptics.

Again, a little research, and open mind, and a willingness to be proven wrong are all thats needed.



You arent "genuinely curious," you're arrogant and set in yourvways. You have no desire to change. I can't do all the work for you.

68 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 21:19 ID:Y7lvAA6O Del] If you really feel like you have something to prove, try picking up a few books on tthe occult and practice some of what's written. Try a ritual and record what happens.

Find the proof for yourself.

69 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-16 22:21 ID:9Cj9u08a Del]



Ahh sorry I got carried away >>12 That's off the Ghost Hunt animeAhh sorry I got carried away

70 unko : 2015-08-16 22:42 ID:v9x8HupI Del]



"If there is anyone who practices any of the Arts, please leave a message here and we can get in further contact to discuss things. We don't necessarily need to share anything. It's just nice to speak with like-minds"



and then you're off on this guy:



'



I think he genuinely wanted to share it with you. If you're knowledgeable then you might want to act like it.



If my questions are really 'dumb and irrelevant' then maybe you should've replied "no" when i asked for permission, you didn't seem to mind.



Now I'm not angry, however it can be a bit unfair for us. You're thinking we're 'arrogant and set in your (our) ways' but although I've been patient, this whole time in this thread proves to me that you may be what you've stated. >>66 Yikes well sorry about that, butwhat 'improve' yourself? You might be the only one who 'actually' knows almost EVERYTHING on this topic and you're original point for this thread was I think ,"If there is anyone who practices any of the Arts, please leave a message here and we can get in further contact to discuss things. We don't necessarily need to share anything. It's just nice to speak with like-minds"and then you're off on this guy: >>36 I don't know if you're a troll or just dumb, but you really need to learn a few things.'I think he genuinely wanted to share it with you. If you're knowledgeable then you might want to act like it.If my questions are really 'dumb and irrelevant' then maybe you should've replied "no" when i asked for permission, you didn't seem to mind.Now I'm not angry, however it can be a bit unfair for us. You're thinking we're 'arrogant and set in your (our) ways' but although I've been patient, this whole time in this thread proves to me that you may be what you've stated.

71 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 23:08 ID:8Kxdi2j0 Del] Trust me, I dont know, nor claim to know everything about anything.

Seriously. The dude asked if you can summon a ball of water? What is that? I literally ccould not tell whether hes a troll or not, and hes made no effort to clear up his post.



As you quoted, I said I wanted to speak to like-minded people, not a bunch of kids who think they have something smart to say.



The reason I said your last post was stupid was because it was in comment to the reply of another stupid post.



I have no problem with questions and I've had a couple good one that were fun to answer, but you people have gotten off base.



Read the two books I mentioned. If youre interested that's all you need to do. From there you'll have more knowledge to bring to the conversation and bbetter questions to ask.



Like I said, I can't do all the work for you. Learning isnt supposed to be easy.



Sorry for any typos, I'm on mobile.

72 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-16 23:11 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Seriously, I'll even go a step further for the lazy people here and link those two books, since you can't take the time to google them yourselves.



http://marjadevries.nl/universelewetten/kybalion.pdf

http://library.abundanthope.org/index_htm_files/initiation-into-hermetics-franz-bardon.pdf



Boom. Get reading.

73 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 00:54 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Can you clearly explain where the energy for magick originates from? And how the process of magick works? Please don't say "just because tradition"

74 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 02:19 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] >73 Because Tradition.



Seriously, like that's something I'd say..



Where it originates from is a fact only God would know. I can explain what I'm capable of.



Energy used in magick can come from multiple different sources. The first and most often-used source is your own physical energy.

This energy, (called by many names such as Prana, Chi, lifeforce, etc.) exists in all things, and is recycled by living creatures through the act of breathing.

http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.pdf



The second form of energy would be Akasha. This is a more difficult one to describe, as it's not only a source of energy but a realm of existence as well. Akasha is essentially the Mental realm. Anything that exists in the mind or the collective subconscious lives here, and can be used.

Franz Bardon's book Initiation into Hermetics goes into this quite well, but I cannot use similar words as him without directly quoting the book.



A third source of energy would be the energy contained in other entities, such as spirits of their varying degrees, demons and angels, etc. Whatever non-physical entity you can think of from whatever pantheon or religion you follow can be harnessed as an energy source (provided the entity is willing or forced).





Along the same lines of these, you have the Planetary energies, which are created by the physical planets themselves. The planet Mars isn't just a planet, it's a God ruling over it's own energies, and this energy must pass through others (such as the suns) and our own earth-sphere to get to us and be used.





All existence is vibration. Science class should have taught you that. Even modern science is coming to the conclusion that matter doesn't exist, just energy as various states of rest.



Sound, color, and motion are all directly and intimately linked. We literally are just moving across Waves.



The planets also create their own sounds, and sound, as you may know from music, has a particular way of effecting living creatures, depending on the type of sounds that are played. The same goes when you see a color.







As to how magick works, you probably didn't read this but "Magick is the result of Willed Intent."

Thus, anything you do that originates as a thought is magick.

it's actually quite simple, it's just very flexible, and that's what gets people confused.





I'll explain how to create a sigil, because it is one of the most basic forms of casting possible.



You start with an idea, something you want or desire.



You take this idea and break it down into a symbol that represents your desire clearly, but at the same time, is easily forgotten.

You burn the symbol into your mind, and then, you reach what is known as "Gnosis."



Gnosis is a meditative state in which absolutely zero thoughts arise within your mind. It takes significant amounts of mental control, and usually years of meditation (meditation defined: The active attempt to quiet thoughts within your mind.)

Orgasm is also Gnosis.



While in this state of Gnosis, you perform the mental action known as "Charging", in which you imbue all the properties of your desire into the symbol as though they have already happened. You're essentially telling the future that it's already happened, in your own mind.



After you charge the symbol, you go back to your mundane activities and forget about the symbol, allowing your intent to manifest in reality. When using sigils, this often happens with unpredicted side-effects, as magick, like electricity and magnetism, takes the path of least resistance.





I hope that covered it for you. You could literally write a library on the the uses, forms, and methods of energy use/magick practice.

75 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 02:24 ID:06Lc0/iS (Image: 484x312 gif, 28 kb) Del]

76 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 03:00 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del]



From what I read, magick can only be used on what someone truly wants, so playing around is impossible (basic magick I mean)



Also, "Orgasm is also Gnosis." did ya really need that? I'm just a 14 year old boy trying to be a bit chuuni, AND YOU WRITE THAT IN >>74 Know what? Out of all of your above posts, the one that said "Magick is the result of Willed Intent." is the only one that I read very seriously.. and the one you just typed.From what I read, magick can only be used on what someone truly wants, so playing around is impossible (basic magick I mean)Also, "Orgasm is also Gnosis." did ya really need that? I'm just a 14 year old boy trying to be a bit chuuni, AND YOU WRITE THAT IN

77 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 03:04 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Do you write the symbol on paper? How do you imbue? And I think I should read your posts now

78 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 03:17 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] It's an important fact that needs to be known.



Most practitioners who call themselves "Chaos Magicians" are too lazy to spend the time training the mind to hold Gnosis, so they use that as a viable alternative when charging sigils.





It is true that it works more by true desire, especially at first, but once you learn the basics and have a bit of experience in actually getting to the end-result of a spell, it is possible to experiment with different styles or methods, and even to use it for less serious means. Not many serious practitioners actually use high magick often.

In fact, most of the "true magicians" I've spoken with rarely practice at all. They prefer to go out and do things by hand, and when they do practice, they alter fate on such astounding levels I couldn't even begin to hope for that power.



A very good book I recommend to learn more on what it's like to practice magick, without actually doing it yourself, is the biography called Frabato the Magician.

Here, you people are lazy.

http://tikaboo.com/library/Frabato.pdf



You can easily download and read that book, so I highly recommend you do so.

The people written about in that book make me fear the very power I use.



The things I can teach you have been written in hundreds of books worldwide. It's nothing special.

There is knowledge and power that exists that has never touched a page with ink, and never will. This is the information most seek, and by the time they find it, they don't even care to use it.



I've done a couple personal experiments in combining technology and multimedia with magick in various different ways. As we progress further into the digital age, there grows an astounding number of new paths we can take, and very few people actually document their works enough for us to continue growing. There isn't a whole lot of "modern" magick, in regards to the past 80 years or so of technological progression.

Most of it is regurgitated wiccan crap that's been pissed out a million times since the end of the Inquisition, other content doesn't take into account much dealing with electrical devices (which can also have some astounding effects) and various progressions.



Science has absorbed magick by trying to stomp it out.

All conventional science has done is re-learn the things followers of the Path have known all along, and rename them to act like it's a new idea.







And you really did a number on yourself with that last comment. Seriously, I could have kids your age.

Don't act like you're so high and mighty when you're the only one who might cause any problems with miscommunication.

79 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 03:19 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



http://www.zalathu.com/pages/pdf/Practical_Sigil_Magic_-_Frater_U.D.pdf



and



https://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf >>77 If you want to learn more about sigils, take a look athttp://www.zalathu.com/pages/pdf/Practical_Sigil_Magic_-_Frater_U.D.pdfandhttps://zalbarath666.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peter-j-carroll-liber-null-psychonaut.pdf

80 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 03:25 ID:8tbIqjtI Del] See, simple, to the point, specific questions like that are easy to answer.

Stupid crap like "Lul, magick isnt rl, prove it to me" is pretty much what the rest of these dopeheads sound llike.

81 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 03:52 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] They need to have an open head, think more, I mean, who has seen 100% of the world?



Also, (because I'm lazy,) does imbuing a sigil need the energy from within a body? And do you need to actively control it, the energy?



Dude, seriously, who the fuck wouldn't take "Orgasm is also Gnosis." the wrong way, WHO????

82 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 04:04 ID:CxBceOE9 Del] It usually does come ffrom the body, but you can anchor it to use energy from people or places.

Servitors made with sigils require active control, though not always.

Regular spells cast using aa sigil do not rrequire anything aafter the cast, and usually dictates you forget both the symbol and the intent.

83 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 04:06 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] I think you misunderstood the question, do you need to channel power into the sigil through your own will, or is subconscious enough?

84 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 04:10 ID:CxBceOE9 Del] It takes an active tthought to do so, but the thought must be projected with no other thoughts in your mind.



I guess the ffirst one.

85 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 04:11 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Fuck, won't being doing any magic anytime soon

86 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-17 04:20 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] Mind linking the posts relating to the building up of energy within the body and meditation to your reply, thanks

87 Adam : 2015-08-17 10:58 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] Beautiful how you link two books with no form secondary research or references and a guy (Franz Bardon) whose every claim is based on some abstract notion. What this seems like is a crazy level of belief to a point of delusion, your self to be believe what's happening is true. Your level of arrogance is unbelievable to think you have a shred of unstanding in what your dealing with. I suggest you fix your personality flaws before anything else. Almost every answer has been loaded with crazy assumptions of the people asking the question and paranoia. You maybe physically mature but not mentally.

88 Adam : 2015-08-17 11:01 ID:4RiG9xo6 Del] The only person I can blame is myself for wasting my time with your "knowledge".



89 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 14:25 ID:b+x/bDlP Del]

I'm sorry that you're such a genius you cant take an hour to read what I've written and linked, but you can spend the time needed for a poorly written and worded reply.



Nothing written by Bardon is "abstract."

Everything in that book, every physical ability, has been proven as possibility. Again, you people are just so damn lazy you'd rather think you know everything than take some time from your day to do research on what you're talking about.



You seem to think you know me quite well, but i gurantee you barely know yourself. >>87 Beautiful how even after linking said books, you take no time to read them, but you still think everything you have to say is smart.I'm sorry that you're such a genius you cant take an hour to read what I've written and linked, but you can spend the time needed for a poorly written and worded reply.Nothing written by Bardon is "abstract."Everything in that book, every physical ability, has been proven as possibility. Again, you people are just so damn lazy you'd rather think you know everything than take some time from your day to do research on what you're talking about.You seem to think you know me quite well, but i gurantee you barely know yourself.

90 [ ] : 2015-08-17 18:53 ID:JwqDpVrP Del] I hope you dont mind confirming or explain more on a outline that i have, altough i think it might be in one if those books you linked or talk of.



To have clarity is always great.



Magicans can either chant the spells or focus on the image of the spells impact.

Both of which, will need the user knowlege on how the certain spell would work.



Take an example like fire, in order to conjure it, you would have to know what a fire is and how to make it.

But to make it move around, like shooting, would take more concentration, since you are channeling your own enegry or energy borrow from other spirits



Magic is also in a way science, but without all the easy living technology advances.

Well i think it would mostly consist of chemistry, physics, and so forth.

Although, i dont know how the imbueing mana into a object would work, since it is also a object to help with casting the spell, like a staff.



Oh and would you know of another site or forum that would have people like us?

If not, well am sure the search 'legitimate magic forums' would bring up something, right?

91 [ ] : 2015-08-17 18:56 ID:JwqDpVrP Del] Forgot to add to the fire example.



Channeling energy on the fireball existence / power and / or its projectile patheay to target.

92 Post deleted by user.

93 Sid : 2015-08-17 19:36 ID:ZTxIB7Af Del] I still don't see how this belongs in the personal board?



It could just be me, but most posts on this board tend to be people seeking help, guidance, or advice pertaining to a problem in ones life.



Glancing over all the posts I still can't find a problem with practicing this. I only see someone curious if others share a similar interest with no problems attached to said interest.



Other religious posts, or interests, on this board usually contain a reach out for help. Sometimes the person doesn't agree with part of the belief and is troubled by it. However I don't see how the OP is troubled at all in this belief, or interest.



Like I said before it could just be me, but I don't think I've seen a thread like this constantly getting bumped on this board before. So that is why I am a bit confused.

94 [ ] : 2015-08-17 21:16 ID:JwqDpVrP Del] >>93 I too understand, am pretty sure this should go to on random, but until said other wise (Permasage or Regulars telling us).

95 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 21:58 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

A bump is when you intentionally move the post to the top.

I created a topic people are interested in, I can't help that.

This post most assuredly belongs in this forum, and I have my reasons for it that you don't need to question. It's here to stay, and no mod is likely to move this, as it does deal with Personal issues, not Random thoughts.



This isn't called the Problem board, it's called the Personal board. It doesn't matter whether or not most people use it to spam their childhood problems.



>>90

That's not how magick works, plain and simple. It is impossible to shoot fireballs from your hands without using some type of physical technology.

That doesn't make it any less magick if it is tech, by it's end result, but it is not done purely with Will alone.



I recommend a forum located at occultforum.org.

A few particular members are extremely knowledgeable (such as Shinichi and RoseRed), and they can offer a lot better help with a lot more patience than I alone have.

If you join that site, keep an eye or for a user named Magari. He likes to post with cryptic esoteric bullcrap and not have the knowledge to back himself up. You can go ahead and tell him Haelos sent you, and tell him he needs to shut his mouth if he causes problems.

Also, do not listen to anything Raine Ashford posts, as I think that chick might actually be incurably insane.

Members like Magari and Raine have been killing that community, so it's a lot more useful of a site to a beginner than is to me, who's been practicing for a few years now.



There are other forums that I've been recommended, but most of the users there seem to think you need to have tripped on hallucinogenic substances to practice magick, which is absolutely not the case. I tend to stay away from sites like that. >> 93 >>94 If I were to put this in Random, it'd get buried with pointless crap. This thread actually hasn't been bumped at all, it's been posted on.A bump is when you intentionally move the post to the top.I created a topic people are interested in, I can't help that.This post most assuredly belongs in this forum, and I have my reasons for it that you don't need to question. It's here to stay, and no mod is likely to move this, as it does deal with Personal issues, not Random thoughts.This isn't called the Problem board, it's called the Personal board. It doesn't matter whether or not most people use it to spam their childhood problems. >>91 Again, you've been watching too much Harry Potter, and you don't listen to what I say.That's not how magick works, plain and simple. It is impossible to shoot fireballs from your hands without using some type of physical technology.That doesn't make it any less magick if it is tech, by it's end result, but it is not done purely with Will alone.I recommend a forum located at occultforum.org.A few particular members are extremely knowledgeable (such as Shinichi and RoseRed), and they can offer a lot better help with a lot more patience than I alone have.If you join that site, keep an eye or for a user named Magari. He likes to post with cryptic esoteric bullcrap and not have the knowledge to back himself up. You can go ahead and tell him Haelos sent you, and tell him he needs to shut his mouth if he causes problems.Also, do not listen to anything Raine Ashford posts, as I think that chick might actually be incurably insane.Members like Magari and Raine have been killing that community, so it's a lot more useful of a site to a beginner than is to me, who's been practicing for a few years now.There are other forums that I've been recommended, but most of the users there seem to think you need to have tripped on hallucinogenic substances to practice magick, which is absolutely not the case. I tend to stay away from sites like that.

96 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 22:03 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] When you use the elements in magick, you aren't using their physical forms, but the ideas in which they represent.



For instance, using your fire example, to "conjure fire", you would meditate intently on the ideas and feelings that fire represents, such as passion, anger, physical heat, the property of expansion, etc.

You would then invoke these ideas within yourself, causing you to resonate with them and giving you a, quote "fiery" energy.

This would effect you mentally and, if the meditation is powerful enough, physically, as you can cause changes in your temperature.



Magick doesn't need anything but a thought to work.

Using chants, tools, images, smells, or other objects or fetishes are simply to promote the proper state of mind needed towards your goal. These are not needed in any way, for any intent.

97 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-17 22:03 ID:9Cj9u08a Del] So A.I.d.a, if you do want to talk to me then my email is ourandevils@gmail.com or my fanfiction account is Uke-Ciela-Phantomhive

98 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-17 22:14 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

You dissuaded me from joining a conversation with you by spamming wiccan crap for ten posts at the beginning of the thread. Sorry. >>97 I can always be contacted on here.You dissuaded me from joining a conversation with you by spamming wiccan crap for ten posts at the beginning of the thread. Sorry.

99 Sid : 2015-08-18 00:19 ID:ZTxIB7Af Del] >>95

I said bump since I mainly see the same people posting. I'm not slandering this belief, or interest, in any way. I did not sage this since I didn't think it's my place, or call, to do so.



I just have never seen a thread like this before on this board. Though I've only been here for bout 3-4 years. So that is why I was a little confused.



Adding to this topic is my mom's experience. She messed around with witchcraft for a while, but dropped it cold turkey. What made her do this is she had a dream with the devil choking her and she said it was like she was actually there with him. I don't know enough about this topic to offer any more insight. I just know I will not practice it. But I won't stop, or inhibit, anybody else from doing it. I said bump since I mainly see the same people posting. I'm not slandering this belief, or interest, in any way. I did not sage this since I didn't think it's my place, or call, to do so.I just have never seen a thread like this before on this board. Though I've only been here for bout 3-4 years. So that is why I was a little confused.Adding to this topic is my mom's experience. She messed around with witchcraft for a while, but dropped it cold turkey. What made her do this is she had a dream with the devil choking her and she said it was like she was actually there with him. I don't know enough about this topic to offer any more insight. I just know I will not practice it. But I won't stop, or inhibit, anybody else from doing it.

100 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-18 00:52 ID:Ot9cHQxO Del] You know what, I think these people are skipping a whole lot of steps. You cant use magic in a day. You need to actually learn it first, and do proper preparations (I think).



SO WHICH BLOODY POSTS CONCERN MEDITATION

101 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 01:20 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] I don't know what all posts deal exclusively with meditation, but if you need a place to start, as I've said, the first few steps of Initiation into Hermetics is what you want to be reading and practicing. Take your time on every step, and practice all three Mental, physical, and psychic branches at the same time for each step.



And you are correct, NZ, as it takes many years of practice and discipline before you can successfully cast every time, and even then, there are unforseen circumstances that can cause failures in even the most powerful spell that's been cast successfully a million times before.



You could know the most powerful spell in existence and not be able to use it without the proper skills and knowledge.



Skipping initiatory steps can get you hurt, both physically and mentally.

I've read many stories, for instance, of people who attempted to awaken their Kundallini energy without any previous skills or knowledge on the matter, and there have been people who died because of it.

Especially with Kundallini Yoga (which means sexual energy, and doesn't have anything to do with the act of procreation), there are many things that can go wrong during the process, and the process itself actual weakens your entire body, causing bones to be more brittle, muscles to ache, and your mental condition to slip.





It is easy to go crazy performing these practices. That's how I can tell my mental condition is stable, as I've come very close to the brink of losing myself in insanity. I literally would have needed to be locked up, 'cause I wouldn't have been able to function in reality normally anymore. Thankfully, I managed to work myself past that, but always remember psychosis is a possibility with certain things you can't understand.

There is a very fine line between delusion and reality, but you do not need to be deluded to see this.



In fact, I feel sorry for you pathetic souls who have never experienced a relatable state to insanity, because you have nothing to base your sanity off of.

You only exist in contrast to everything else.

102 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 01:36 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



Your mom made the mistake of practicing the Craft, which although almost every wiccan will say otherwise, it actually does rely on a lot of demon worship, because most Witches are self-initiated, and never follow any other initiation where they would teach you what not to do at a very early stage.



Witchcraft itself is primarily a focus on sympathetic magick and herbology, although there are a lot of other aspects as well.

Herbology is obviously working with plants as a tool, and sympathetic magick is better known as "binding," where you essentially make an object represent a person, in which you can then effect. Voodoo dolls and Gris-Gris are an example of sympathetic magick.



The whole demonology thing has evolved over the years, and a lot of spells have been passed down claiming their good intent, while in reality they are used for evoking negative entities into your sphere of existence.





Stay away from summoning anything, and traveling (such as astral projection) and you should be fine.

I've been studying evocation (the art of conjuring spirits) for about two years now, but I've still never evoked a single entity.



Conjuring takes on two extremely separate forms: Invocation, and Evocation.



To invoke means to call an entity inside of your body. Basically allowing a temporary possession, and giving the spirit permission to wear your meat suit.

This is a much safer practice because when you invoke an entity, you are only given as much energy from it as your vessel can take. There's almost 0 risk of overloading yourself and causing damage.



To evoke means to call a spirit to physical form outside of your body. You should cast a circle to protect yourself (one of the most basic spells) and a triangle to contain the spirit. It take a lot more focus to perform an evocation ritual, and the spirit summoned is done so at its full power, with no restriction on it's abilities except the power of the magician summoning it, and their ability to contain a loose spirit.



Gods are most often Invoked, while lesser entities such as elementals, angels, demons, etc. are evoked to physical form.

Sorcerers usually evoke demons because they're easier to work with than angels, and often will do what you want if you're rude and belligerent with them, whereas angels usually require some amount of respect.

No entity likes being commanded and yelled at with threats, and most true magicians looks down on such a violent method of evocation. >>99 Also, I apologize for coming off so headstrong, but at a point you just get tired of stupid things, and I couldn't tell if you were just another person throwing a wrench into the gears, or not.Your mom made the mistake of practicing the Craft, which although almost every wiccan will say otherwise, it actually does rely on a lot of demon worship, because most Witches are self-initiated, and never follow any other initiation where they would teach you what not to do at a very early stage.Witchcraft itself is primarily a focus on sympathetic magick and herbology, although there are a lot of other aspects as well.Herbology is obviously working with plants as a tool, and sympathetic magick is better known as "binding," where you essentially make an object represent a person, in which you can then effect. Voodoo dolls and Gris-Gris are an example of sympathetic magick.The whole demonology thing has evolved over the years, and a lot of spells have been passed down claiming their good intent, while in reality they are used for evoking negative entities into your sphere of existence.Stay away from summoning anything, and traveling (such as astral projection) and you should be fine.I've been studying evocation (the art of conjuring spirits) for about two years now, but I've still never evoked a single entity.Conjuring takes on two extremely separate forms: Invocation, and Evocation.To invoke means to call an entity inside of your body. Basically allowing a temporary possession, and giving the spirit permission to wear your meat suit.This is a much safer practice because when you invoke an entity, you are only given as much energy from it as your vessel can take. There's almost 0 risk of overloading yourself and causing damage.To evoke means to call a spirit to physical form outside of your body. You should cast a circle to protect yourself (one of the most basic spells) and a triangle to contain the spirit. It take a lot more focus to perform an evocation ritual, and the spirit summoned is done so at its full power, with no restriction on it's abilities except the power of the magician summoning it, and their ability to contain a loose spirit.Gods are most often Invoked, while lesser entities such as elementals, angels, demons, etc. are evoked to physical form.Sorcerers usually evoke demons because they're easier to work with than angels, and often will do what you want if you're rude and belligerent with them, whereas angels usually require some amount of respect.No entity likes being commanded and yelled at with threats, and most true magicians looks down on such a violent method of evocation.

103 A.I.d.A !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 01:37 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Sorry, kinda went on a tangent here.

104 [ ] : 2015-08-18 03:17 ID:JwqDpVrP Del] Much thanks for the answer, forum, and your knowledge.

I'll be sure to look into some of the things you listed and continue to following along this thread.

105 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 03:34 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Just as a note, to those who are already progressing along the Path (I feel those are the people less likely to respond here), I just recently discovered that the music by The Algorith, especially the album Polymorphic Code, is fantastic for Shamanic Journeying to. It's a little jagged, but it really has an effect on the brain. Obviously it's not quite like a simple 40 or 60bmp drum beat, but it gets the job done.

106 unko : 2015-08-18 16:04 ID:v9x8HupI Del]



Also, the reason why I dont want to do a lot of googling for this is because lately I've noticed that these 'spirits' have been watching me closely and things that I tend to repeat or do in slight obsession turn against me in nightmares. The reason why i know its the 'spirit's' doing is because when I start to chant before going to sleep, I sleep like a baby and my dreams become borderline, otherwise it's a hell if I don't. Which is one of the reasons I find sleep so troubling, for the past 12 years.



i'm glad she stopped, dreams like those have insight. >>102 have you ever come across spirits who cut people's hair? and if they do, how do they do it and why? the reason im asking is because it happened to two people i know and it was really really strange. At first I didn't believe them and said it mustve been the products theyve used. But then I saw where it was done and thought it was humanely impossible to do.Also, the reason why I dont want to do a lot of googling for this is because lately I've noticed that these 'spirits' have been watching me closely and things that I tend to repeat or do in slight obsession turn against me in nightmares. The reason why i know its the 'spirit's' doing is because when I start to chant before going to sleep, I sleep like a baby and my dreams become borderline, otherwise it's a hell if I don't. Which is one of the reasons I find sleep so troubling, for the past 12 years. >>99 i'm glad she stopped, dreams like those have insight.

107 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-18 17:52 ID:9Cj9u08a Del]



yes that's true. I didn't even LOOK at any of that until over a year of studying, and still won't cast anything difficult, powerful or specific



if that's true then there might be a spirit. I haven't heard anything like that personally, but that's just me. Maybe if you can at school or something, google it and ways to deal with unruly spirits. That's just how it sounds >>98 Ahh sorry. It was four though, and I just get carried away sometimes >>100 yes that's true. I didn't even LOOK at any of that until over a year of studying, and still won't cast anything difficult, powerful or specific >>106 if that's true then there might be a spirit. I haven't heard anything like that personally, but that's just me. Maybe if you can at school or something, google it and ways to deal with unruly spirits. That's just how it sounds

108 A.I.d.a. !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 18:52 ID:IzCoruPZ Del] I'm on mobile and cant type a lot. Ill reply to this later.

Look up the Lesser Banishing Pentagram ritual. Its a simple invocation of God and the Archangels for protection from outside influences. Perform it every new moon, and perform the Lesser Invoking Pentagram ritual every full moon to invoke Gods energy to renew you.

Do not perform one ritual more tthan the other, as it can throw you entirely out of balance.

109 Aries - アリエス : 2015-08-18 20:02 ID:9Cj9u08a Del] Thought these might help if they are malevolent or unruly spirits





Aloe's Magical Properties: Plants will keep you safe from any evil influences and protect you from accidents within the home



Anise's Magical Properties: Put anise seeds in a small cotton bag and place under your pillow this will ward off nightmares, just as a dream catcher does; if you use anise leaves in your sacred space and inside your magic circle when practicing your magic or meditating, the leaves will protect your sacred space from anything untoward



Ash's Magical Properties: By holding, or carrying on your person, a piece of ash you will always be protected on or near water, ash can also be hung in doorways and ward off malevolent spirits. You can sprinkle ash around the outside of your home for protection



Fennel's Magical Properties: Fennel will repel all evil spirits, it is good luck to grow it around the home as a form of protection. Hang it at windows and doorways for protection, carry with you for protection



Hawthorne's Magical Properties: If you have Hawthorne in, or around home you will repel ghosts and spirits, Hawthorne also draws fairies into your garden



Holly's Magical Properties: Holly will protect you from all things earthly or otherwise, plant around your home for a ring of protection, and carry holly for luck



Marigold's Magical Properties: By stringing Marigold around your home you will be sure to keep out evil spirits. It also works on unpleasant or unwanted visitors by repelling them



Mistletoe's Magical Properties: To repel evil spirits burn mistletoe, and by placing mistletoe under or on your bed it will ensure a good night’s sleep and enhance dreams



St. John’s Wort's Magical Properties: St. John’s Wort can be worn to banish evil spirits

110 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 23:33 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



Googling information will actually help keep the spirits away. The smarter you are, the more capable you are of protecting yourself. I recommend you follow the steps in this thread immediately if you have any suspect of a haunting.

http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37421



Not very many spirits you'd come into contact with really mean you harm, and are often just a nuisance more than anything.



Dreams are an act of divination, and are a compilation of your day and week, future and past events of life, your hobbies or interests, and anything you give access to you while you're sleeping (ie. if you sleep with someone, your dreams often effect eachothers' during sleep).



If these kinds of things are giving you nightmares, I simply recommend lowering your obsession with them. Rather than spend every waking minute thinking about a subject, take a few hours out of the day for research, then spend time doing other things, completely ridding your mind of the obsession.

If that's problematic, perform the meditation at the end of



Using herbs is another very viable option, but for a non-initiate, they usually only work as long as there is still life force in the plant matter, which doesn't last very long.

Normally you would empower or enchant your herbs to a specific purpose, and using your energy or the energy of your idols would prolong its life.

I actually recommend learning more about talismans than herbology, because talismans help for a lot more purposes than herbs usually do.



Remember though, the more effort and intent you put into something, the greater the end result. That's basic science. >>106 I've never heard anything like that, and it honestly sounds more like someone in their household is playing a prank, but I see no reason why a particularly powerful entity couldn't do that.Googling information will actually help keep the spirits away. The smarter you are, the more capable you are of protecting yourself. I recommend you follow the steps in this thread immediately if you have any suspect of a haunting.http://www.occultforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37421Not very many spirits you'd come into contact with really mean you harm, and are often just a nuisance more than anything.Dreams are an act of divination, and are a compilation of your day and week, future and past events of life, your hobbies or interests, and anything you give access to you while you're sleeping (ie. if you sleep with someone, your dreams often effect eachothers' during sleep).If these kinds of things are giving you nightmares, I simply recommend lowering your obsession with them. Rather than spend every waking minute thinking about a subject, take a few hours out of the day for research, then spend time doing other things, completely ridding your mind of the obsession.If that's problematic, perform the meditation at the end of >>16 Using herbs is another very viable option, but for a non-initiate, they usually only work as long as there is still life force in the plant matter, which doesn't last very long.Normally you would empower or enchant your herbs to a specific purpose, and using your energy or the energy of your idols would prolong its life.I actually recommend learning more about talismans than herbology, because talismans help for a lot more purposes than herbs usually do.Remember though, the more effort and intent you put into something, the greater the end result. That's basic science.

111 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 23:40 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]

The circle is used to keep entities away from you (both human and spectral). Most circles are empowered with a pentagram (which then becomes a pentacle), or they are empowered with various names of God, such as the YHVH.

The Lesser rituals I listed are both circle spells, although I find them to be a bit outdated, and I've improved upon them to fit my own needs better.

However, I rarely use that high-level of ritual anymore, as I can cast a circle with simple visualization and by using the first two cuts of the Kuji-In/Kuji-Kiri (the first cut is described above, near And learn to cast a circle. It's the single most important, most basic spell, it comes in literally an infinite number of verities, and it grows in power as your understanding of reality does.The circle is used to keep entities away from you (both human and spectral). Most circles are empowered with a pentagram (which then becomes a pentacle), or they are empowered with various names of God, such as the YHVH.The Lesser rituals I listed are both circle spells, although I find them to be a bit outdated, and I've improved upon them to fit my own needs better.However, I rarely use that high-level of ritual anymore, as I can cast a circle with simple visualization and by using the first two cuts of the Kuji-In/Kuji-Kiri (the first cut is described above, near >>6 , somewhere. Ctl-f for Rin mudra.)

112 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-18 23:44 ID:Cq7p1ehI Del] Dude, please, not so long T.T

My interest in this is urging me to read it, but my eyes and boredom tell me to not read it, because it's too long T.T

113 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 23:45 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] >>112 I can't help that. Take a nap and come back to it later. This entire thread is quicker to read than a single chapter of most novels.

114 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 23:48 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Although really, I can't believe this thread has gotten as many replies as it has. I know I kind double post like every time, but still, that's about 50 posts that weren't mine.



I've never had a thread on like, any forum take off this much. Well, maybe one or two on occultforum, but not any of significance.

115 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-18 23:53 ID:Cq7p1ehI Del]



Also, how many different types of magic/magical energy rely on sex? >>113 Sorry, a middle school student doesn't work like that.Also, how many different types of magic/magical energy rely on sex?

116 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-18 23:58 ID:06Lc0/iS Del]



Also, I don't care how you work. If you want to take the fist steps of initiation, stop being lazy and get reading. You'll spend a thousand hours over the next years reading in a dark room, hunched over a book or a computer.

You're lucky that you found this interest so young. You have a lot of potential, starting off so early in your life, and with the right dedication, you could really make something of yourself.

Most of the greatest philosophers and scientists of the past 500 years have had at least some dealing with the occult in their lives. It leads you to revolutionary breakthroughs that most average minds can't or won't conceive. >>115 No type of magick except sex magick relies on sex, and you aren't using sex itself, you're using the energy produced during it, which is just prana or chi.Also, I don't care how you work. If you want to take the fist steps of initiation, stop being lazy and get reading. You'll spend a thousand hours over the next years reading in a dark room, hunched over a book or a computer.You're lucky that you found this interest so young. You have a lot of potential, starting off so early in your life, and with the right dedication, you could really make something of yourself.Most of the greatest philosophers and scientists of the past 500 years have had at least some dealing with the occult in their lives. It leads you to revolutionary breakthroughs that most average minds can't or won't conceive.

117 NZPIEFACE : 2015-08-19 00:18 ID:Cq7p1ehI Del] Even if I'm not studying magic, I guess that will still happen...

118 unko : 2015-08-19 04:41 ID:v9x8HupI Del] >>110



I do know that spirits are culturally different just like us which is why its unusual/unlikely for them to do this sort of stuff where you are. And i do know that some are good and some are not-so-good, just like us as well. In one of the first 4 houses i lived in spirits use to be the kind or the cheeky type, nothing serious.But that changed when we went into the 5th, these spirits were really trying to drive us to insanity and 2 of us siblings ended up sleeping in my parent's room for that year, wasnt even a year id say. It's when all this hair baloney problem began. Kids would randomly start crying because 'they could taste something chilli' or see things unusual ( I don't remember what exactly but they came to us with that). Some of us were getting terribly sick so much to the point we didnt know if one of our family member was going to live. We started preforming rituals such as splashing enchanted water across every single wall in the house every sunset time in one flow, and a fricken double story house is no easy job. We did a tonne of other things but this was how serious the haunting escalated. It's also one of the reasons we moved after about 11 months.



Sometimes these spirits come from overseas and get attached to us. Which is why strange things begin to happen sometimes. The most prominent example I can think of this moment is when my sister lost her eye shadow or something when she was overseas and looked everywhere for probably about 3 months or so when she came back here and also over there, it was just completely gone, vanished. But after those months guess where she found them? right on top of everything else in her first drawer. So my sis carelessly picked it up and went to show it to my mother and so they both touched it. Within those moments they mentioned they felt really sick and started getting a fever. I took care of them for a little while and then we decided this eye shadow has to go. So we found a small mountain that was accessible and buried it as deep as we could. I was worried at first that it might affect someone else but I was told that those are targeted spells casted on the eye shadow, which meant no one else would get hurt. However it means now we can never return to that mountain again, also the 5th house neighbourhood too.



I'm pretty well aware of dreams being a recollection of what you do during the day or week. But does everyone of them have to be something that keeps you awake? The other interesting thing about spirits is that they can travel through space (you probably knew that anyway)and so can reach the entrance to the first heaven before getting pelted by angels. What spirits do their is actually listen to the talks of the angels or whatever sort of planning which goes on of the future. After they listen, these spirits might sometimes relay it to humans in their dreams. I guess I may never know the intent of it but when they are accurate, I really hate it. However it's not every time that they are. I can't say all dreams are from spirits though. But the ones I know that are surely not from spirits and are impossible is when you do another ritual, not for protection, but when asking advice from god. These dreams are insightful, intricate and not blunt. Whereas 'other' dreams I have will be blunt, painful and always come with a date, as if its some sort of deadline. This is what really scares me. It's been accurate twice now for two major events. I really really am not fond of spirits now.. forget about good ones I just dont want to deal with any of them anymore.



^ This was basically a rant but my main intent was to provide people here with some knowledge about things these spirits can get up to.



There are other light ways of protecting yourself from spirits though:



1. Don't go out within 45 mins - 1 hour after sunset. And never mention your dreams from sunset to the sunrise of the next morning.

2. Keep your windows closed as soon as it's sunset (trust me..)

3.Don't stand under trees at night

4. Old wives tale: Never sweep/vacuum at night.

5. Old wives tale: never rock/sway an empty hamock or a swing

6. Experience: Avoid any exorcist/ spirit users from the middle east and any other countries near there, DO NOT SEEK THEIR HELP BY PHONE ESPECIALLY, unless youve seen them in real life. If you're so desperate then it's your choice.

7. If you need to go out at night, go with a pair. Women walking alone at night can not only attract human predators like we hear on the news, but even spirits. An example I've heard is like taking control of your reproductive system.

8. It's best not to use hot water in the bathroom unless you've given them a warning or you've read a protecting chant. Bathrooms especially because that's where they can tend to live.

9. Never cut down a possessed tree (duh)

10. Never throw hot water outside in the backyard, wait for it to cool if you need to throw it.

11. (this tip might be extreme for some of you) But do not keep any animated beings open in the house. Such as magazines or other products, flip them over or cover them so that the eyes specifically are not seen.

12. Novices to magick and the like should never deal with spirits first go. (you've might have been aware with Aida mentioning this).

13. (this is pretty random but...) never approach meat you find lying around that you don't know how it got there. This can most likely be cursed meat and I'm not sure, but a targeted curse as well.



Just keep these tips down and you've got your easy basic protection. >>111 I wouldve told you what sort of cuttings they were, but I'm just afraid that it might be some sort of unique marking they've put on them. But let's just say that you only notice the hair cut after a short while, like a few weeks. But the weirder part is where its done. And I don't know,I've never attempted or even had that will to perform magic before. I could try visualising a circle of energy like you sort of mentioned and I could even go with the aniseed idea at >>109 . Thanks though.I do know that spirits are culturally different just like us which is why its unusual/unlikely for them to do this sort of stuff where you are. And i do know that some are good and some are not-so-good, just like us as well. In one of the first 4 houses i lived in spirits use to be the kind or the cheeky type, nothing serious.But that changed when we went into the 5th, these spirits were really trying to drive us to insanity and 2 of us siblings ended up sleeping in my parent's room for that year, wasnt even a year id say. It's when all this hair baloney problem began. Kids would randomly start crying because 'they could taste something chilli' or see things unusual ( I don't remember what exactly but they came to us with that). Some of us were getting terribly sick so much to the point we didnt know if one of our family member was going to live. We started preforming rituals such as splashing enchanted water across every single wall in the house every sunset time in one flow, and a fricken double story house is no easy job. We did a tonne of other things but this was how serious the haunting escalated. It's also one of the reasons we moved after about 11 months.Sometimes these spirits come from overseas and get attached to us. Which is why strange things begin to happen sometimes. The most prominent example I can think of this moment is when my sister lost her eye shadow or something when she was overseas and looked everywhere for probably about 3 months or so when she came back here and also over there, it was just completely gone, vanished. But after those months guess where she found them? right on top of everything else in her first drawer. So my sis carelessly picked it up and went to show it to my mother and so they both touched it. Within those moments they mentioned they felt really sick and started getting a fever. I took care of them for a little while and then we decided this eye shadow has to go. So we found a small mountain that was accessible and buried it as deep as we could. I was worried at first that it might affect someone else but I was told that those are targeted spells casted on the eye shadow, which meant no one else would get hurt. However it means now we can never return to that mountain again, also the 5th house neighbourhood too.I'm pretty well aware of dreams being a recollection of what you do during the day or week. But does everyone of them have to be something that keeps you awake? The other interesting thing about spirits is that they can travel through space (you probably knew that anyway)and so can reach the entrance to the first heaven before getting pelted by angels. What spirits do their is actually listen to the talks of the angels or whatever sort of planning which goes on of the future. After they listen, these spirits might sometimes relay it to humans in their dreams. I guess I may never know the intent of it but when they are accurate, I really hate it. However it's not every time that they are. I can't say all dreams are from spirits though. But the ones I know that are surely not from spirits and are impossible is when you do another ritual, not for protection, but when asking advice from god. These dreams are insightful, intricate and not blunt. Whereas 'other' dreams I have will be blunt, painful and always come with a date, as if its some sort of deadline. This is what really scares me. It's been accurate twice now for two major events. I really really am not fond of spirits now.. forget about good ones I just dont want to deal with any of them anymore.^ This was basically a rant but my main intent was to provide people here with some knowledge about things these spirits can get up to.There are other light ways of protecting yourself from spirits though:1. Don't go out within 45 mins - 1 hour after sunset. And never mention your dreams from sunset to the sunrise of the next morning.2. Keep your windows closed as soon as it's sunset (trust me..)3.Don't stand under trees at night4. Old wives tale: Never sweep/vacuum at night.5. Old wives tale: never rock/sway an empty hamock or a swing6. Experience: Avoid any exorcist/ spirit users from the middle east and any other countries near there, DO NOT SEEK THEIR HELP BY PHONE ESPECIALLY, unless youve seen them in real life. If you're so desperate then it's your choice.7. If you need to go out at night, go with a pair. Women walking alone at night can not only attract human predators like we hear on the news, but even spirits. An example I've heard is like taking control of your reproductive system.8. It's best not to use hot water in the bathroom unless you've given them a warning or you've read a protecting chant. Bathrooms especially because that's where they can tend to live.9. Never cut down a possessed tree (duh)10. Never throw hot water outside in the backyard, wait for it to cool if you need to throw it.11. (this tip might be extreme for some of you) But do not keep any animated beings open in the house. Such as magazines or other products, flip them over or cover them so that the eyes specifically are not seen.12. Novices to magick and the like should never deal with spirits first go. (you've might have been aware with Aida mentioning this).13. (this is pretty random but...) never approach meat you find lying around that you don't know how it got there. This can most likely be cursed meat and I'm not sure, but a targeted curse as well.Just keep these tips down and you've got your easy basic protection.

119 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-19 05:01 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] I'm only halfway through your post right now, but actually, when you bury an effected object, it's completely cleansed after a certain while. The area in which it resides in not negatively effected either. Our planet is one of the best in the universe for absorbing and grounding energy.

Another viable option is to throw it into a source of natural flowing water, as that will help cleanse anything negative as well.



It sounds like your family really has some bad juju. And yeah, if there are negative spirits, the only thing you can do is match their aggression with yours. It's obvious something might get mad when you kick it out of the house it thinks you're intruding. By that point, all you did was fuck the next residents.

120 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-19 05:12 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] That last half of your post was an intense and painful read.

I'm sure some of those things work, but that's some serious paranoia to do even a quarter of those things. Learning to cast an effective circle is the best alternative to all of that stuff, especially for mundane folk.



From how you describe your experiences, it sounds to me like you're some type of seer, and you're specifically given information of the future to enlighten yourself or others.

The biggest problem with a gift like that is turning away from it, as natural talent attracts spirits in and of itself.

With the confusion of a gift such as that, with the added negativity of spirits who know you have it, wishing to dick with your day, there really is a lot that can go wrong.



I'm not sure how gifts like that are transferred, whether through blood or otherwise, but I do not have any of them. Every skill I have I've needed to train very intensely.



It's probably that you've been a practitioner in past lives. I don't see why you would end up here otherwise. Same with the other dude, who's 14. Nobody goes anywhere without some reason.



I honestly recommend you learn more about protection magick, and as long as you stay away from evoking *anything*, and invoking anything but God, then you'll be perfectly alright. The book from Bardon I listed really is the perfect one for you, as Bardon keeps you from even remotely dealing with spirits until his second book, and it's all practical, positive magick.

This was a dude who turned down working for Hitler because he could see the future pain his regime would cause, even though he (like I) totally agreed with his original ideals.



If you feel tormented now, I can guarantee that getting yourself started on the Path is a good step to getting the self-help you need.



Seriously, you are next to schizo level with your precautions.

121 A.I.d.a !ao.AgYdRoo : 2015-08-19 05:14 ID:06Lc0/iS Del] Not to mention, that paranoia also attracts spirits, and really isn't doing as much as you might think. It's more for you than it is the spirits.

Don't forget that our entire world exists because of the spirits, so don't shun them all. Especially natural entities that keep nature in balance, while you don't need to summon them, it never hurts to appeal to them.



Sometimes it's nice feeling a breeze of nostalgia from a past Autumn day due to a mere thought of sadness sent out into the world.

122 unko : 2015-08-19 16:08 ID:v9x8HupI Del]



if the magic circle is something i need, I think ill go try it out then. And a seer? I don't usually believe in past lives but if it was passed down, i think it mightve been from my great-grandma, i heard she use to deal with spirits and probably had dreams too. But thanks a lot again, i feel like you put this in a new perspective. If I do need to get on with my life I need to control this power and see what's being a real dick to me and whats not. I had another 'revelation' in my dream about a week ago which is why I've been on edge and havent gotten much sleep. This is also a very extreme one as well but I cant mention it until after this friday. The other two major ones i had were about my Uncle's death and the moment I'd develop a 'condition' and need surgery.



Schizo lol, I could say paranoia but im not yet to the point of schizophrenia.



If thats the case then i suppose keeping a good composure is a good remedy too. If i do begin to encounter good spirits someday I won't shun them, they were sweet when we had them before. When they were around you you could tell because of their scent and sometimes theyd possess our lamp and start 'singing' with us, was funny and only a bit freaky when we were kids. Made us laugh either way. Jeez now im remembering all this weird stuff.



Surprisingly, I only just now understood what your last autumn sentence meant, did you predict that?... >>119 that is a bit of a relief to hear, maybe at some point i could go back there. Yeah we did think of putting it in a river but we didnt have any that were far away enough, just in case. Good point too, maybe it really did think we were intruding. (what a violent way to get us out though) but i guess it couldve been worse. >>120 if the magic circle is something i need, I think ill go try it out then. And a seer? I don't usually believe in past lives but if it was passed down, i think it mightve been from my great-grandma, i heard she use to deal with spirits and probably had dreams too. But thanks a lot again, i feel like you put this in a new perspective. If I do need to get on with my life I need to control this power and see what's being a real dick to me and whats not. I had another 'revelation' in my dream about a week ago which is why I've been on edge and havent gotten much sleep. This is also a very extreme one as well but I cant mention it until after this friday. The other two major ones i had were about my Uncle's death and the moment I'd develop a 'condition' and need surgery.Schizo lol, I could say paranoia but im not yet to the point of schizophrenia. >>121 If thats the case then i suppose keeping a good composure is a good remedy too. If i do begin to encounter good spirits someday I won't shun them, they were sweet when we had them before. When they were around you you could tell because of their scent and sometimes theyd possess our lamp and star