LOS ANGELES – We asked who uses Facebook. Not one hand went up.

We organized a focus group of 8 kids, ages 11-12, to ask them about the tech subjects of the day, from Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat, to who is more enamored with their phones – parents or kids?

We can start our report with bad news for Mark Zuckerberg and Co. After all the not good, terrible, really bad year he's having at Facebook, with privacy breaches, political fallouts and people canceling their accounts, if he hopes to make it up with the next generation, things aren't looking rosy.

When we asked our panel to raise their hands if they used Facebook, the kids smirked. The sentiment: You've got to be kidding.

"Nobody uses Facebook, it's for old people," said Lachlan Cobb, 12.

Now granted, they would have to be 13 to use the social network, those are the rules, but the same terms apply for Facebook-owned Instagram, Snapchat and YouTube, and that hasn't stopped the kids from getting accounts.

"I know a lot of my friends have Instagram, but I have no clue who uses Facebook," said Ella Naidoo, also 12. "They just ignore it, skip over it."

Of the kids we assembled, seven of the eight had their own phones, all iPhones, models 7 or 8, except for Ella, who had a now-discontinued iPhone SE. Tatum Cobb, Lachlan's 11-year-old sister, doesn't have a phone and says she doesn't miss it, but she admits "it would be cool" to have one.

The group had definite opinions about the tech issue of 2018 – privacy, or lack thereof.

"It's creepy," said Hannah Amalfi, 12, about having a phone that tracks you all the time.

"It's always watching you," she said. "It has an eye of its own, and it's always staring at me."

Internet rules call for a minimum age of 13 to use websites and apps like Google, Facebook, Instagram and YouTube, but try telling that to these kids.

"What?" said Kathi Keller, 12.

Added Lachlan: "I don't think a lot of people follow that rule. The YouTube website doesn't say anything about it."

It does, but it's in the fine print, and YouTube doesn't stop kids from checking out the website or app.

This has been a big bone of contention among parent organizations, who are concerned about some of the not-safe-for-young-children material of the sexual, violent and conspiracy nature that's easy to find on YouTube, where some 400 hours of new content is uploaded every minute.

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In response, YouTube put out an app for kids, YouTube Kids, but it's more targeted to the very young set than tweens.

"It's all Umizoomis," says Tate."They think all kids under 13 watch Umizoomis, but I stopped watching them a long time ago."

Ditto for Facebook's Messenger for Kids, the social network's attempt to get kids to communicate with their friends via a parent monitored social network, instead of iMessage, FaceTime or any of the other apps more in favor with kids.

"Nobody uses that," says Kathi. "To get all of my friends to use that would be a big challenge."

We asked the kids what they wanted for Christmas, and got an assortment: Apple Watch, MacBook computer, gaming computer and a new iPhone topped the list. Ella would love to have some AirPods, the pricy Bluetooth earbuds marketed by Apple, but she balks at the price.

"I don't understand," she says. "$160 for earbuds. That doesn't make any sense."

These kids live in homes with rules about how much screen time they're allowed, with some parents having a no phone rule during the week and others being allotted to a few hours daily.

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But their use pales to their parents, the kids said.

"Oh my God," said Lachlan. "My mom is on her phone 24/7. She's on so much, it's scary."

Do they ever try to take the phones away from the parents?

"We try," says Kathi Keller, 12, but her mom has "a really good grip."

Parents, we'd love to include you in the next Talking Tech panel of kids and moms/dads. If you're in the Southern California, contact @jeffersongraham or @mmaltaisla on Twitter.