John Carr:

What happened to you is terrible. And the way you were treated was wrong.

My experience, recent, was a little different. I talked to the provincial. He did apologize. He did acknowledge. There was no suggestion that this was my fault. But that's not enough.

I think what we need to do is to take on this culture. Somebody asked me, is this about theology? Is this about morality? Is this about ecclesiology?

No, this is about power, and people who have abused their power, the people who committed these crimes, and the people who have abused this culture. And Pope Francis is a cleric. And he has been slow in some ways to act on this. But he has identified clericalism as a fundamental problem.

And I think there will be a big test, this meeting in February, where they bring everyone together. A moral test, a fundamental measure of the Catholic community of faith is whether we acknowledge that this is a global problem, and that our experience is not our fault, it's not isolated.

It is a moral test, how the church responds. And I think Pope Francis, when he listens to victims, people like us, he responds. And so my hope is, we're moving from a period where we protect the institution to listening to the people who have experienced this, and their families.

There is a lack of empathy. They don't understand the anguish.