McKinnon's devil sat down with Lovitz's Dershowitz for an episode of her podcast. ("I invented them," she said, which is ironic considering McKinnon previously told Variety how much she actually loves podcasts.) Her first question was how he came up with the Trump defense, considering years ago he said one doesn't need a crime to impeach the president, but now that he is working for him, he says one needs something "crime-like."