Traiden said: So who else found it significant that Leaf knows about 5SB well enough that just from the name alone where able to check our math on the floating lookout tower? Is this a hint and who held Kagome(Root?) and how he became as damaged an individual as he is. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Velorien said: “Are you kidding?” Kagome-sensei burst out. “How can you not know the stories of Muri Fortress? A secret offshore prison, hidden deep in the Water Country, where Hidden Mist holds the world’s most dangerous sealmasters captive, using their powers…”



“…to reinforce the crumbling barriers protecting our reality from the horrors outside, or, some say, to summon those horrors and try to bind them to the Mizukage’s will,” Kagome-sensei and an Irie woman (“Minori”?) finished in unison. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Traiden said: On our stay within Leaf, I think we should talk with as many people as we can to gather ideas on what would benefit the most people with our ninja powers. Spread the idea in the heads of everyone we meet that our village of which we are dignitaries from is looking to specialize in civilian application of all the stupid magic being flung around. Germinate the idea that the powers nearly everyone has could be used to the benefit of all. Going to the trade district would be a good place to do this, from our perspective, as our plans are inherently disruptive to the current social norm. I want to paint as large a target on our fake village as we can so that we can have a talk with any assassins who try and trace back our origins and try and convince them that our way would be best for the whole world. We have to get strong enough to enforce this or form a coalition of people and ninja willing to start from Peace and then escalate only in response. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

HoratioVonBecker said: Seal research takes time. Several days at minimum, at Hazou's level, to produce something really simple. (Assuming I recall correctly, that's the time required for each Macerator variant.)

Five Seal Barriers are, as best as I can tell, a lot more complex, and require a lot more skill to infuse correctly. Weeks at least, probably more like months, assuming they have Jiraiya and he doesn't have one of the seals to reverse-engineer. So if Konoha builds a few hundred platforms, trains their most trusted strike teams in secret, and attacks the rest of the world, I could believe that anyone without flying or super-long-range-bombardment ninja loses their immobile assets. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Twofold said: We are pretty much forced to go with the third option since that is what J wants. If we want to do something else (like find Village Hidden in the Heaven*), we need to wait for a better opportunity. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Twofold said: I guess Hazou could internally commit to an alternative goal, but he is not really in a position to communicate anything that sensitive to other party members. We have to seem like we are doing exactly what Jiraya wants us to do for now. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Twofold said: I guess the best way to get protection from third parties would be to voice our worries to J: "That thing we gave you is extremely dangerous and we are super worried that you or someone else inside Konoha's system will kill us now."



When he counters that nobody but him, the Hokage, and his trusted guard were there, we go with something like: "You have a village full of exotic sensory powers and spying and double crossing is what ninjas do. How confident are you that a Konoha insider with high access and experience couldn't compromise the discussion we had with the Hokage?"



Actually, it would be easier to compromise the discussion we are currently having. Or maybe not, since Hokage's office is a known factor and this place could've been picked at random? Maybe we need a cover story or code to even have this discussion? Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Twofold said: *It is kinda silly, but now that Konoha stole our secret for VHitH I suddenly don't feel like doing that anymore. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

I assumed Five Seal Barriers were a common seal, like storage and explosive seals, so every nation had them. I figured that if Kagome had been held in Konoha, he'd have raised objections about going there. Also, I think the more significant hint about where Kagome was is in Chapter 77, when someone else cooraberated Kagome's story. Quote here:I'm.... not in favor of trying to get assassins after us yet. I could be in favor of propogating the idea that we're dignitaries from a village, but it's really risky, since our minders will have had a briefing about who we are and where we're from, and this seems like the sort of activity that leads directly to mind scans for all of us.I was working off the assumption that Five Seal Barriers were a common thing (since Jiraiya recognized it from it being named). If they aren't then I agree with you.Probably. I think Jiraiya's support of us might still exist if we found a small minor village, I see that as a way of trading favor with Jiraiya for favor with someone else. In particular, it seems like a reasonable way to create a relationship in which we export military sealing ideas to Konoha in exchange for their protection. This could get the Hokage on our side.True. I'm incredibly uncomfortable with discussing long term goals and ideas in Konoha. But there's probably some information we could gather on which of these would be best. For example, we could ask if it's even a possibility, or how minor vilages get founded.Not a bad idea in principle, though we might want to try to word it differently? Honestly, I think Jiraiya is probably the only person who's figured out all the easy applications for it, so we're probably ok until he begins to explains those ideas to other people and convinces them, which will likely take at least a few hours.Shrug. I'm game for either way.E: though I'll admit, losing even the first mover benefit for inventing it sucks