“what if Yanagida is to blame for how Ichimatsu is now these days” is something I see debated a bunch.



Well, you know if we’re taking things serious here, you could say Yanagida is to (partly, out of many people) blame for the 16matsus being ostracized and all becoming the 18matsus, who eventually become our 20smatsus:

(and Ichi had to hear that, ouch)

