Herb Titus, the Christian Reconstructionist, “biblical birther” and longtime brother-in-arms of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, is urging conservative Christian public officials to deny marriage licenses to gay couples in defiance of the Supreme Court’s recent ruling, rather than simply resign from their positions and abandon “civil society to the heathen and to the Enemy.”

Titus told Alaska GOP politician Joe Miller in a radio interview posted online over the weekend that thanks to a Supreme Court majority that embraces a “postmodern worldview,” Americans are adrift at sea.

“Instead of writing law, they write poetry, they write philosophy, they write sociology and psychology,” he said of the Supreme Court justices. “We no longer have any fixed principled by which to measure what is right and wrong, what is constitutional, what’s not constitutional. We’re basically at sea in a ship which is manned by nine people, and you don’t have much to say about anything anymore because they’re in control of the ship and the storm is out to sea and you can’t get off the ship.”

When Miller asked if there is now a “confrontation” between this postmodern worldview and people who believe in “immutable, natural law,” Titus agreed, saying, “It’s a very small minority of people who have any sense whatsoever of the law of Nature and of Nature’s God, that is the law as revealed by God in Nature and in the Holy Scriptures.”

He blasted public officials who are implementing marriage equality laws or resigning from their posts rather than follow the law, saying that those officials should instead say, “I’m going to stay in this job and I’m not going to issue marriage licenses and if you come after me, you can come after me. I’m going to take a stand.”

Christians, he lamented, have “abandoned civil society to the heathen and to the Enemy” and will soon be “thrown in jail” and otherwise “persecuted” because of it.

Later in the interview, Titus warned that if conservative Christians give up on trying to shape government to biblical specifications, they will end up like the Amish, with special protections for their religion but “no influence in the greater society”

“God didn’t call us to just be in a closed-off, religious community, God called us to exercise dominion,” he said.

He repeated that public officials who disagree with marriage equality should defy the law and “make people remove us from office, if that’s what it’s going to take you, ‘you can remove me, but I’m not going to just ask you to give me a special privilege, or resign and will no longer function in a civil capacity.’ What that does, I think, is basically sounds the bugle of retreat.”