Antar said: Keep in mind-- our weighted stats system take care of the vast, vast majority of such players. And yes, Ambipom's 5% GXE is extremely low. But more users (5458) use Ambipom than use any other Pokemon save Jolteon. If you do it not by percentile but instead by sheer number, Ambipom lines up pretty close to C+ rated Shiftry (possibly other more viable mons--I'll have to dig deeper into the data). Click to expand...

I'm aware of the weighted usage stats. Still it stands that just by being able to consistently beat ash teams you have tolerable weight. Complaint is that even with usage weighting, usage weight attributed to below average competitive players (bottom half users with ash teams subtracted) is much higher for Ambipom than any other RU, which still seems to be true.You don't need to use an ashe team or use in game teams to have little grasp of competitive pokemon. People who are beginning out will have teams that are intended to be competitive, thus beating ashe teams, but isn't actually competitive. In fact, I know for a fact that you can get really high on the ladder with an "ash team" (or similarly anime or manga inspired teams) if you put your mind to it. Doesn't mean the team is good, lol.Apologies for not being anal about usage weight vs usage, I thought it'd be obvious what I was talking about.I do agree there's a fair bit of politicking going on with viability ranks and many people believe it's their duty to curb usage of Pokemon that get more usage than they deserve, which never works because of wrong target audience. I do disagree with this practice but the reality is mons below a certain threshold are kind of equally bad in that you'd rarely use it other than as a joke.edit: It's not rocket science to realize that a 'stat' that can be skewed by a single person who uses it once on a high rank alt has any real meaning. I can go on right now on my 89 gxe alt and just use pikachu once, and Pikachu will have viability ceiling of 89 regardless of how good it actually is, if I understand this correctly.The concern was never that "why would you ever use Ambipom it will instantly make you lose even vs. bad players." It was that Ambipom stays in RU despite not being RU material. If you realize, top 5% of the Ambipom players have 66 GXE and any Pokemon with lower GXE at the top 5% users are absolutely garbage in RU, such as Frogadier, Articuno, and Muk. Given this context, why do you think the larger raw usage of Ambipom magically excuses the fact that a large number of below average "competitive" players making up the weighted usage? Isn't it exactly the concern many players are having? Why would you ask what's the highest GXE a certain pokemon can be used in, instead of seeing the distribution of GXE for weighted usage of each Pokemon? (For example, making a graph showing Ambipom's percentage of weighted usage coming from players with GXE between 90 to 85, as opposed to players with GXE between 50 and 60, and other GXE regions?I do understand you feel it's necessary to point out that you can get high on the ladder with below average Pokemon. This is true! But that's not what people were concerned with to begin with, and to claim that Ambipom is better than Sawk because of this data sounds... off, to say the least.