

HAYES: So, you've been on the campaign trail with Bernie Sanders quite a bit, a bunch of states. I'm always curious what you feel like, what do you get from that?

SUSAN SARANDON, BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER: Oh, wow, so much hope and so much connection with an America that I haven't seen.

I mean, I've driven across country a while back and I worked in Iowa, but to actually have the opportunity to talk to people and so moved by their passion and there's a lot of independent thinkers in the middle of this country. And to see them give their time and their passion and be so vulnerable that way to want to be engaged again after not having anyone really that they trusted or spoke to them and see thousands upon thousands of people turn out and also thousands of volunteers from other places and to visit those little offices and to introduce him in the beginning when he didn't have any security whatsoever and now there's also these guys, secret service traveling with him and everything.

But I really want to be on the right side of history, and this is a shot that we're not going to have again in my lifetime to have a candidate that's so morally consistent, makes decisions, whose judgment proves to be true, but does it at a time when it's not popular, when it's not comfortable, a candidate whose not taken any money from fracking or Monsanto, or, you know, super PACs or Wall Street or all of the farm, big farm, you known, which all the other candidates have.

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And those are issues that are really important to me. So, to have a guy that's that consistent, that is that clean, is just not going to happen again.

HAYES: You just said on the right side of history, which is interesting to me. I think in certain quarters there's growing concern that the folks that are into Bernie Sanders have come to despise Hillary Clinton or reject Hillary Clinton and that should she be the nominee, which is as yet undetermined, they will walk away.

SARANDON: That's been a legitimate concern, because they've very passionate and very principled. And...

HAYES: But isn't that crazy?

If you believe in what he believes in.

SARANDON: Yeah, but she doesn't. She's accepted money for all of those people. She doesn't want to fight for a $15 minimum wage. So, these are people that have not come out before. So, why would we think they would come out for her.

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HAYES: You really [think] that?

SARANDON: I think there's a good possibility. I talk to people who either want to write -- I talk to Republicans who have written him in already. And they just feel like she's not authentic. That she's a liar. That they don't trust her so what difference does it make.

You know, if you're a small farmer and you're worried about fracking on your property. In Idaho they just passed a bill where they can frack on private land, and you know that she's taken money from fracking, why would you think that that's -- she's going to have your back?

HAYES: Well, because they make the argument that there are all kinds of politicians, Barack Obama is the one that Hillary Clinton cites all the time, who have done things to effectively reign in industries, or reform industries, that they have taken money from.

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SARANDON: I'd like to see that...

HAYES: You don't buy it at all.

SARANDON: No, I don't buy it all, because she's been selling fracking all over the world. There's her talking about Monsanto and how clean not talking about Roundup or what they put in it or what it's done to our economy. and they know that jobs are going out, you know, Bernie doesn't -- voted against NAFTA, you know, TPP, you know all these things coming up that know effect their jobs. And she's not on the right side of that. She hasn't voted right.

So, what would you make think that once she gets in she is going to suddenly go against the people that have given her millions and millions of dollars. I think that's being incredibly naive and egotistical to think suddenly she's going to see the right, you know.

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HAYES: Right, but isn't the question always in an election about choices, right. I mean, I think a lot of people think to themselves well if it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, and I think Bernie Sanders probably would think this...

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SARANDON: I think Bernie probably would encourage people because he doesn't have any ego. I think a lot of people are sorry, I can't bring myself to do that.

HAYES: How about you personally?

SARANDON: I don't know. I'm going to see what happens.

HAYES: Really?

SARANDON: Really.

HAYES: I cannot believe as you're watching the, if Donald Trump...

SARANDON: Some people feel Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately if he gets in then things will really, you know explode.

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HAYES: You're saying the Leninist model of...

SARANDON: Some people feel that.

HAYES: Don't you think that's dangerous?

SARANDON: I think what's going on now. If you think it's pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now, then you're not in touch with the status quo. The statue quo is not working, and I think it's dangerous to think that we can continue the way we are with the militarized police force, with privatized prisons, with the death penalty, with the low minimum wage, with threats to women's rights and think that you can't do something huge to turn that around. Because the country is not in good shape if you're in the middle class. It's disappearing.

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And you look if you want to go see Michael Moore's documentary, you'll see it's pretty funny the way they describe it. But you'll see that health care and education in all these other countries, we've been told for so long that it's impossible, it's like we've been in this bad relationship and now we have to break up with the guy because we realize we're worth it.