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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:09 am Post subject: If we lose in 1st round this year, will it hurt Kobe's legacy? http://clnsradio.com/2013/03/26/kobe-bryant-exposing-myths-arguments-fallacies-define-his-inflated-greatness/



I have noticed there's been a flood of anti-Kobe columns the last year or two. Ppl are just obsessed with critiquing him and I've never remembers it like this. Not after Colorado or the Shaq trade. There are some good points in that pierce but it goes overboard a bit. My real questions are , iif we fail in 1st round how much will that hurt Kobe if at all? And second, why are ppl just tearing down Kobe now while building up lbj?? I have noticed there's been a flood of anti-Kobe columns the last year or two. Ppl are just obsessed with critiquing him and I've never remembers it like this. Not after Colorado or the Shaq trade. There are some good points in that pierce but it goes overboard a bit. My real questions are , iif we fail in 1st round how much will that hurt Kobe if at all? And second, why are ppl just tearing down Kobe now while building up lbj??

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:12 am Post subject: Hate these agenda-drive, fact-less articles! Kobe's legacy has been on the line since 2008. We went to the Finals just 3 months after getting Gasol and lost to a team with 3 HOFers. It was on the line again in 2009 when Kobe finally won without Shaq and that should have been it. But it was on the line again in 2010 to see if he could repeat without Shaq, which he did. It was on the line in 2011 (out in the first round), 2012 (out in the second round), and now 2013...even though he's had an incredible individual season at age 34. Its always on the line.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:13 am Post subject: Re: If we lose in 1st round this year, will it hurt Kobe's legacy? magical.lakers wrote: http://clnsradio.com/2013/03/26/kobe-bryant-exposing-myths-arguments-fallacies-define-his-inflated-greatness/



I have noticed there's been a flood of anti-Kobe columns the last year or two. Ppl are just obsessed with critiquing him and I've never remembers it like this. Not after Colorado or the Shaq trade. There are some good points in that pierce but it goes overboard a bit. My real questions are , iif we fail in 1st round how much will that hurt Kobe if at all? And second, why are ppl just tearing down Kobe now while building up lbj??



As Kobe approaches and subsequently passes Jordan in Career Points...and Playoff points...there will be a flood of criticism. Kobe is a Jordan fan's worst nightmare. Soon, the only thing you'll hear from Jordan sycophants will be "averages." Because career totals are going to be Kobe's.



For example...this time next year, Kobe will have passed Jordan in career points, and quite possibly playoff points depending how many games the Lakers play in the playoffs. But be that as it may, Kobe will be the first player in NBA history to score 6000 playoff points. It's not if, it's when...either this year or next year. He won't be the last player to score 6k in the playoffs, but he'll certainly be the first player.



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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:19 am Post subject: Kobe should be easily considered one of the top 5 ever to touch a basketball.. argue all you want about who the other 3 are (Jordan is clearly in there) regardless of what happens from here on out.



Heck, the guy is playing better for his age at his position than anyone in the history of the league!



His legacy is intact..

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:32 am Post subject: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:36 am Post subject: SilverBullet wrote: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.



Sad but true.

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If he had a team that was performing at the highest level and then they got beatdown in the first round like the Mavs did, then maybe. But he's been playing at such a high level that he is far from the problem on this team.



Whatever happens, it won't be his fault.

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God bless Kobe Bean Bryant and Gianna Maria Onore Bryant. It didn't hurt the other clown, so it wouldn't hurt him now.If he had a team that was performing at the highest level and then they got beatdown in the first round like the Mavs did, then maybe. But he's been playing at such a high level that he is far from the problem on this team.Whatever happens, it won't be his fault._________________God bless Kobe Bean Bryant and Gianna Maria Onore Bryant.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: SilverBullet wrote: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.



lol that three hof thing is pushing it, Nash is way on his last leg, kobe is obviously at the end of a great run, howard seems to be the stat padder type of HOF vs a IMPACT type of HOF, then we have a collection of has beens and a couple of never will be's.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: if lebron or durant got eliminated in the 1st round they would get killed by everyone. So yea it will hurt kobes legacy.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:37 am Post subject:



I haven't been on the site and won't.

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God bless Kobe Bean Bryant and Gianna Maria Onore Bryant. And why on earth would you give that jizzhead clicks on his awful site?I haven't been on the site and won't._________________God bless Kobe Bean Bryant and Gianna Maria Onore Bryant.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:45 am Post subject: Mamba3301 wrote: Hate these agenda-drive, fact-less articles! Kobe's legacy has been on the line since 2008. We went to the Finals just 3 months after getting Gasol and lost to a team with 3 HOFers. It was on the line again in 2009 when Kobe finally won without Shaq and that should have been it. But it was on the line again in 2010 to see if he could repeat without Shaq, which he did. It was on the line in 2011 (out in the first round), 2012 (out in the second round), and now 2013...even though he's had an incredible individual season at age 34. Its always on the line.



lol honestly bro there r a lot of facts in that article. I don't agree with them And he takes it overboard like I said but there's stats. I'm really just curious why there's just this onslaught of ripping Kobe apart and building up Lebron now. Two three years ago it was the other way Around. Now lbj wins 1 and he's on his way to being the GOAT. And Because of that Kobe Sucks now. Makes no sense ...

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:46 am Post subject: SilverBullet wrote: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.



Yeah this is what I'm afraid of.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:47 am Post subject: "hurt" is the operative word. Almost all of the top 8 players have incurred a major injury and/or missed significant time. If he misses the playoffs, yes. But not if they get bounced by OKC/Spurs.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: magical.lakers wrote: Mamba3301 wrote: Hate these agenda-drive, fact-less articles! Kobe's legacy has been on the line since 2008. We went to the Finals just 3 months after getting Gasol and lost to a team with 3 HOFers. It was on the line again in 2009 when Kobe finally won without Shaq and that should have been it. But it was on the line again in 2010 to see if he could repeat without Shaq, which he did. It was on the line in 2011 (out in the first round), 2012 (out in the second round), and now 2013...even though he's had an incredible individual season at age 34. Its always on the line.



lol honestly bro there r a lot of facts in that article. I don't agree with them And he takes it overboard like I said but there's stats. I'm really just curious why there's just this onslaught of ripping Kobe apart and building up Lebron now. Two three years ago it was the other way Around. Now lbj wins 1 and he's on his way to being the GOAT. And Because of that Kobe Sucks now. Makes no sense ...



It's the changing of the guard. Couple years ago, Bryant was winning and getting praise from all the people and pundits and GOAT talk on the basketball programs and definitely cemented it with a C's win. People turned on James and started to kill him for the King monicker while leading his team to the best record and playoff exits.



Now it had turned. Why? Bryant struggling to get the 8th and James coming off a title, an MVP, a gold medal, a 27 game winning streak, probably another MVP and favored for the title again. America loves winners.



Stacey King spoke the truth on Dan Patrick this morning talking about Kobe, Jordan and James. He said the one who gets lost in the shuffle was Bryant and if Jordan didn't exist, that Bryant would more than likely have that GOAT title. Sure, King is gonna be a little biased but Bryant's legacy is set.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: kobeandgary wrote: SilverBullet wrote: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.



lol that three hof thing is pushing it, Nash is way on his last leg, kobe is obviously at the end of a great run, howard seems to be the stat padder type of HOF vs a IMPACT type of HOF, then we have a collection of has beens and a couple of never will be's.



Common on, Kobe & Nash & Gasol are HOF for sure. Howard is a maybe. But very likely w/ the way he been playing.



But you guys shouldn't worry too much. Even if we lose in the 1st round this year, it not going to affect Kobe's legacy much. But we're definitely need to win next season.



I'm confident next season will be better than this season for sure. Because we had too much stuff going on this season. Lot of injuries too.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:59 am Post subject: doughboy90650 wrote: magical.lakers wrote: Mamba3301 wrote: Hate these agenda-drive, fact-less articles! Kobe's legacy has been on the line since 2008. We went to the Finals just 3 months after getting Gasol and lost to a team with 3 HOFers. It was on the line again in 2009 when Kobe finally won without Shaq and that should have been it. But it was on the line again in 2010 to see if he could repeat without Shaq, which he did. It was on the line in 2011 (out in the first round), 2012 (out in the second round), and now 2013...even though he's had an incredible individual season at age 34. Its always on the line.



lol honestly bro there r a lot of facts in that article. I don't agree with them And he takes it overboard like I said but there's stats. I'm really just curious why there's just this onslaught of ripping Kobe apart and building up Lebron now. Two three years ago it was the other way Around. Now lbj wins 1 and he's on his way to being the GOAT. And Because of that Kobe Sucks now. Makes no sense ...



It's the changing of the guard. Couple years ago, Bryant was winning and getting praise from all the people and pundits and GOAT talk on the basketball programs and definitely cemented it with a C's win. People turned on James and started to kill him for the King monicker while leading his team to the best record and playoff exits.



Now it had turned. Why? Bryant struggling to get the 8th and James coming off a title, an MVP, a gold medal, a 27 game winning streak, probably another MVP and favored for the title again. America loves winners.



Stacey King spoke the truth on Dan Patrick this morning talking about Kobe, Jordan and James. He said the one who gets lost in the shuffle was Bryant and if Jordan didn't exist, that Bryant would more than likely have that GOAT title. Sure, King is gonna be a little biased but Bryant's legacy is set.



why the tearing down of Kobe tho?? If he's no longer the best in the assoc ... can't ppl just move on? So someone else is better NOW (not all time) and rather than giving them props . .. They only do it while they trash Kobe??

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: Sort of reminds me of Magic/MJ...although Magic's team made it to the NBA Finals. But Magic even conceded at the time that it was MJ's turn. Kobe would never do that, and I respect him for that. But there is a changing of the guard.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:05 am Post subject: ReturnoftheMarc wrote: SilverBullet wrote: Yes, his legacy will be affected if they don't win a championship. They will say he couldn't led a team of 3 HOF to a championship. And to make it worst, his team is 8th seed right now.



Sad but true.



To me it does not affect his legacy. MJ couldn't of won with this team. MJ always had the best team besides his first 4 years in the league. He never had to go through a rebuild mode or significant change in personnel.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:06 am Post subject: Why are people more concerned about Kobe's legacy instead of the Lakers legacy?

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:07 am Post subject: I want title 18 before Boston. That's all I care about.

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Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:14 am Post subject: I guess it depends on how you view Kobe's legacy. If you think he is in the GOAT convo then probably so.



I'll put it this way. People killed LeBron for getting swept in the Finals with a starless Cavs team in 2007. You don't think people will kill Kobe for not advancing past round 1 on a team with Howard, Nash and Gasol? If LeBron were on a team with those players...even with all the injuries (Howard and Kobe have played most of the season together)...would folks not kill him if they didn't get past the 1st round? If the expectations are title and dominance and it's not met, well....