JUAN WILLIAMS (CO-HOST): Let me just say I don't think there's any debate that what he said is true --

GREG GUTFELD (CO-HOST): Oh, yes there is.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, because it's --

GUTFELD: Our country was not --

DANA PERINO (CO-HOST): Founded on --

GUTFELD: -- was founded on white supremacy, I would disagree.

WILLIAMS: Well, I wouldn't, because I would say the founders reserved the franchise, the voting franchise for landowning white males. I think that was it.

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JESSE WATTERS (CO-HOST): Any person that's going to run for president of this country never would say something like that.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think anybody who knows American history would say, “Okay, so, that's reality.” The question is --

WATTERS: I don't think anybody agrees with that, Juan.

WILLIAMS: We -- wait, how can you disagree with the idea that America -- that the Founding Fathers said you got to be a landowning white male to vote --

WATTERS: Just because something happened at the time doesn't define the founding.

WILLIAMS: I -- what are you talking about?

WATTERS: Just because people had slaves during the founding doesn't mean we were founded on slavery and white supremacy.

WILLIAMS: I just think that's a fact of our American being, and we continue --

WATTERS: No, it's a fact. It's a flaw, but it doesn't define the founding.

WILLIAMS: Of course it defines the founding.

WATTERS: No, it does not.