By Catherine J. Frompovich

J. Marvin Herndon (born 1944) is an American interdisciplinary scientist, who earned his BA degree in physics in 1970 from the University of California, San Diego and his Ph.D. degree in nuclear chemistry in 1974 from Texas A&M University. For three years, J. Marvin Herndon was a post-doctoral assistant to Hans Suess and Harold C. Urey in geochemistry and cosmochemistry at the University of California, San Diego. He is the President of Transdyne Corporation in San Diego, California. A listing of more than a dozen of his peer-reviewed papers can be found on Dr. Henrdon’s Wikipedia page. January 20, 2015, Dr. Herndon published his concerns about weather geoengineering on GeoengineeringWatch.org’s website. [1]

After reading Dr. Herndon’s June 2015 article, “Aluminum poisoning of humanity and Earth’s biota by clandestine geoengineering activity: implications for India,” [Current Science, Vol. 108, No. 12, 25 June 2015, 2173-2176] I just had to interview him, since what he discussed needs to be mainstreamed globally—something the controlled media and vested interests are discouraging, and even preventing. So, following is my extensive interview with Dr. Herndon.

What is the most important significance of your recently published scientific paper?

1) It provides scientific identification, evidence that can be taken into courts of law; 2) it shows the horrific public health consequences of coal fly ash aerosol dispersion; 3) it shows the scientific community that ignored the whole matter to be institutionally corrupt; 4) it debilitates those who would say there’s nothing to the particulate trails because, if there were, the scientists would have investigated it and not a single scientific paper on the subject has been published (before mine, that is).

What prompted you to investigate or get involved with aluminum issues as being tied in to weather geoengineering?

In the Spring of 2014, I began to see particulate trails across the sky that were increasing in frequency and in intensity. By November 2014 the spraying was taking place on a near daily basis sometimes obscuring the otherwise blue sky with dark artificial clouds. I got involved to use my training as a scientist to discover what material was being placed in the air that I, my family, and the citizens of San Diego are being forced to breathe. I did that, and the first scientific paper on the subject was just published. Subsequently, I have collected my own rainwater samples, had them analyzed and discovered some really important measurements that someone made in 2011. In addition to aluminum, there are a whole host of toxic chemicals that come out of coal fly ash. I’ve written this as a new paper and submitted it for publication. Basically, the new paper confirms, with great certainty, the results of the just-published paper and addresses major public health issues related to the ongoing spraying of coal fly ash into the troposphere. I first submitted that paper to a journal called Environmental Health Perspectives, which is published by one of the US National Institutes of Health. The paper was rejected immediately without review and, despite my appeals, was rejected with finality. What does this say? It says that the US National Institutes of Health, whose mandate is to protect and improve public health, acts contrary to that mandate and hides the identity of the toxic material as coal fly ash, and hides the associated health risks from members of the scientific community and from ordinary citizens. US National Institutes of Health is, in my view, complicit in an activity that I allege constitutes crimes against humanity.





Climate change apparently began with the UN’s 1988 report. Why do you think the UN went out on a limb like that?

There are three reasons: money, power and control. Many in the UN thought that countries that produce large amounts of carbon dioxide could be forced to pay poorer countries through some mechanism such as carbon credits. Initially, this was all about transferring money from richer nations to poorer nations. I suspect that the UN would like to run all of the geoengineering activities. What a frightening thought! What the IPCC does is to evaluate various people’s climate models. Models are not science. Models are computer programs subject to the well-known dictum “garbage in, garbage out.” So, you have a committee deciding on which models are more likely to be correct and assigning a probability. That’s nonsense. The real problem is that the scientific community, the so-called establishment, has sold-out. They no longer act as scientists. In all of the years that people have observed particulate trails, how many university scientists have investigated those? None! Or at least no one has published a scientific article on the subject until I did recently. That is shameful behavior for the scientific community, but it’s all about money, power and control. I suspect there are sympathetic scientists out there, but they are too afraid to stand up and act like scientists on the matter. If they did, they would be “excommunicated,” lose their grants, lose opportunities for promotion and, perhaps, lose their jobs. Practically everyone involved in geoengineering, and climate control and related activities, does so for the same three reasons: money, power and control.

In 2008, you wrote the paper “Variables unaccounted for in global warming and climate change models,” which was published in the Sept. 2008 issue of Current Science, wherein you claim political, financial, and self-aggrandizement interests were the “spawning” mechanism for the idea of anthropogenic global warming/climate change, which took hold, especially with media mainstreaming. Why do you think that concept or paradigm had to be invented? Do you think any political “payback” came into play, since Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore lost to Republican George W Bush? Or, are both on the same geoengineering wavelength?

I would say that both parties are on the climate change/geoengineering gravy train.

In that paper you claim there is another explanation other than human activity. Will you please tell us what you think it is, and how you came to that conclusion?

This is actually a long story that the reader might like to investigate on my website NuclearPlanet.com. The story begins in 1979 when I realized that the inner core of the Earth might have a different composition than had been thought for 40 years. My paper on the subject was published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society London in 1979. While I was awaiting publication, I thought that there would be debate and discussion (as there should be), and that people who had well-funded laboratories would take the idea and run with it, leaving me in the dust. That did not happen. Instead, it was as if the paper had never been published. It was completely ignored, my renewal grants encountered problems, I was “excommunicated” and out of the academic business. But, I was onto something important and kept pursuing the matter on my own and making one discovery after another. Eventually, I came to understand that when the Earth formed initially, it formed as a gas giant planet, like Jupiter, with the rocky part crushed by about 300 Earth-masses of gas and ice. When the sun ignited, the super intense solar wind stripped the gases from our planet leaving a compressed rocky planet without ocean basins. Over time, pressures built and the earth began to decompress. This potentially variable decompression is responsible for the surface geology, for emplacing heat at the base of the crust, and is the driving force for earthquakes. There is geological evidence to support variable heat output from the Earth. There is also evidence that the Sun’s output is not constant. Yet these two powerful energy sources are assumed constant in climate models.

If, as you state in your June 2015 paper, “Aluminum poisoning of humanity and Earth’s biota by clandestine geoengineering activity: implications for India,” [Current Science, Vol. 108, No. 12, 25 June 2015, 2173-2176] the idea for geoengineering apparently came from observations of major volcanic eruptions and that their ash remains in the upper atmosphere (stratosphere) for close to a year, what do you think, then, was the real incentive for weather geoengineering and why?

Initially, weather geoengineering was meant to benefit agriculture, but later it became weaponized for military purposes. Then along came global warming with all the political and financial benefits.

If weather geoengineering has been going on for a while, why do you think it’s been ratcheted up dramatically since 2013? Coincidentally, USA weather patterns since 2013 have been dramatic, especially East coast winters! Any comment about that?

“Why” is the big question! Unlike the geoengineering academics talk about, i.e., spraying particles into the upper atmosphere (stratosphere), the ongoing covert geoengineering sprays coal fly ash into the troposphere, the lower atmosphere, which mixes with the air people breathe. The particles do not remain suspended in the lower atmosphere for long periods of time as they do in the upper atmosphere, so spraying has to be done on a daily basis. If the spraying of coal fly ash into the troposphere is being done to counteract global warming, it is a questionable practice. The artificial clouds may block sunlight during the day, but at night those same clouds keep heat from leaving the Earth. Moreover, dispersed particulates pose the impediment to rainfall which operates counter to cooling the Earth. Coal fly ash does that plus something even worse: it absorbs water, so it changes the natural rainfall patterns. So one must wonder, is the intention to combat global warming or to cause global warming so as to melt the Arctic ice to get at the oil beneath. In either case, the consequence on humans and Earth’s biota [ecology] is horrific.

Weather geoengineering can be seen in the skies in the form of airplane exhausts that widen to form what I call “blanket clouds,” which can cause a cloud cover over a perfectly cloudless blue sky within an hour or so. We know that they are not jet engine exhausts, since it’s almost impossible for modern jet engines to create what are called contrails. Some real contrails can occur when atmospheric conditions are correct at higher altitudes. They dissipate within a minute or so, and do not spread out to create an artificial cloud cover. However, the sky trails, referred to colloquially as “chemtrails,” are created at lower atmospheric levels by deliberately spraying “stuff” into the air. Can you please tell us what that “stuff” is?

The “stuff,” as I discovered scientifically, is coal combustion fly ash. When utilities burn coal to produce electricity, two kinds of ash are formed: heavy ash that settles out and fly ash that would go up the smoke-stack unless it is trapped with electrostatic precipitators, as now required by Western governments because coal fly ash contains impurities that were in the coal, but in concentrated form in the fly ash. These toxic impurities are readily leached, that is, extracted into water. That is one reason why this substance is such an environmental hazard.

Can you explain why coal fly ash is used as the principal ingredient? If it’s an industrial byproduct from the coal burning power producing plants globally, is weather geoengineering a disposal means for a hazardous waste, similar to fluoridation of water supplies for aluminum wastes and the fertilizer industry?

1) the particle size is ideal; 2) it’s an industrial waste product that’s available worldwide on a huge scale; 3) it’s cheap because utilities would have to pay the costs of securing the product from the environment; 4) the utilities already have in place the production facilities and transportation network, out of public view. But using coal fly ash has serious, deleterious consequences for human health, Earth’s biota [ecology], and natural weather processes. Moreover, its utility is limited unless its purpose is to cause drought. [I find it rather interesting that you should say that!]

In your paper you state that coal fly ash from different European power plants was analyzed and also exposed to water for 24 hours, and then the water was analyzed. Some pretty dangerous elements were found in the water that had been extracted from the coal fly ash, e.g., radioactive uranium and thorium, aluminum, barium and strontium! Coincidentally, those very elements have been identified in rain water samples collected. Please expound upon what that means for human health, the Earth’s biota, and possible species extinction(s).

In a word: Horrific. My just-submitted paper deals with the subject, so, to prevent compromising its publication, let’s wait until after it is published.

Absolutely! However, I’d really love to interview you about it as soon as possible after publication. I guess my next question apparently is moot at this point: What are the negative aspects and effects of coal fly ash and the elements found in it? I guess I’ll just have to wait for the answer in the published paper.

Are there any health risks to what’s being sprayed? Who are the most vulnerable?

In the just-published paper, I discussed the health risks of aluminum in a chemically mobile state as relates to neurological disorders. The most vulnerable are the children [fetuses] pregnant women are carrying, children, the elderly, and those with compromised immune and respiratory systems. There is much more information in my just-submitted paper.

Do you think chemtrail particulates contribute to the dramatic rise in asthma and lung disease, plus Alzheimer’s and other dementias? Are there any other health problems that can be attributed to or associated with “chemtrails” or coal fly ash?

Yes, and if correct, there will be a big spike in their occurrence in the USA after January 20, 2013.

Can you explain what’s being found in rain water assays in Europe? Have similar rain water assays been done in the USA, especially in California? Do you know of any areas assayed in the USA?

Most of the post-spraying rainwater analyses are done for aluminum and barium; occasionally strontium analyses are requested. The problem is that, comparatively speaking, there have been relatively few chemical analyses worldwide. The reason is because there is no well-funded research program on the subject, so individuals typically collect the samples and pay for the analyses from commercial labs out of their own pockets. Generally speaking, rainwater analyses for the above three elements are similar throughout the world where such measurements have been made. Regrettably, as can be seen from my recently published paper, there are comparatively few data points.

Apparently then, rain water assays performed in both the USA and Europe produced similar results, as those done elsewhere in the world. I find that not only interesting, but rather incriminating.



As an aside, what do you think the “geopolitical” reason is for creating a deliberate drought in California, which is the premiere fresh food producing state in the USA?

That’s a good question, but an unanswerable question. It’s hard to believe that those who ordered the spraying are unaware of the drought potential. It would make a lot more sense, if it were the case that ISIS ordered the spraying. Do our officials hate America enough to destroy the potential for food production in its most important agricultural state? The problem with covert operations is not knowing the intent. There may be several agendas in play here.

I’d venture to say that there may be vested interests at work to create “water wars” that would lead to water use taxes, similar to the much-ballyhooed “carbon taxes.”

In your paper you mention that in one area of Northern California, after an electrical storm, rainwater was collected, which contained 3,450 μg/l of aluminum when compared with a sampling of 10 days earlier that yielded 850 μg/l of aluminum. Those are dramatic figures, especially after the electrical storm. What do you think contributed to such a huge difference?

I do not know what might have contributed to such a huge difference. As the three elements “fingerprint” were not measured, nothing can be said as to what the source of aluminum was in that instance.

Can you please talk about why the federal or states governments aren’t doing anything about analyzing rainwater and publishing results? Can the answer be similar as to why radiation measuring devices in California were turned off after Fukushima?

The quick answer is that they are all “in the tank.” The EPA was supposed to certify coal fly ash as a hazardous material, but surprisingly did not. Moreover, the allowable limit for aluminum in drinking water was raised significantly. And, as I described above, the US National Institutes of Health rejected the opportunity to advise the scientific community and others of the identity and public health risks of aerosolized coal fly ash.

Do you think coal fly ash has been sprayed for close to 15 years in the USA, and what does that mean for agricultural and drinking water quality; agricultural soils and food crops uptake of aluminum, which should not be an element in food crops; and ambient outdoor air quality?

I have one analysis of rainwater from 2002 showing the three element fingerprint of coal fly ash. Chemically mobile aluminum has deleterious effects on plant growth. Aluminum corrupts the soil and damages plants. But of all of the consequences, I suspect the worst is on humans, who have breathed coal fly ash for years.

As an aside, I’m a retired natural nutritionist and I never remember learning, or reading, about aluminum as a “nutrient” in food crops. Caution about aluminum cookware has been known for years, since acid/alkaline balance transfers come into play during cooking with aluminum cookware.

You state that weather geoengineering is “clandestine.” How can that be, when its effects are in plain sight above our heads daily? Who is doing the spraying? I understand there are airlines devoted to doing just that on a global basis, plus U.S. military planes, and those planes do not file flight plans and at times have almost caused accidents with commercial airliners.

Even when visible overhead, the operation is clandestine or covert when specific information is withheld, especially the chemical composition, the purpose, the public health consequences, etc. and there exists in its place, an organized pattern of disinformation.

One of the most disturbing facts you point out in your article is that weather geoengineering—especially the aluminum associated with it—is associated with neurological diseases including autism, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, ADHD, and others. Additionally, that humans have not evolved with a natural immunity to aluminum. Of course we haven’t, because most of the aluminum was found embedded in the earth’s crust and not available to humans in “free form” in the air we breathe, the water we drink or the food we eat.



In your paper, you mention that in the Ganga Alluvial Plain of India, seasonal rainfall delivers toxic quantities of aluminum to the Gomati River Basin. Also, you question where it’s coming from and also how to determine the source. Can you please expound upon your theory and what it would prove?

As you state above, aluminum is securely locked up in silicate compounds. Thus, neither the plants nor creatures of Earth developed any defense mechanism for chemically mobile aluminum. The Gomati River is a tributary to the Ganga River, or Ganges as we call it. The Ganga River is extremely important to the people in India. With all of the sources of its pollution, the ritual bathing that takes place is in relative safety. Apparently, there are organisms that cleanse the river. If mobile aluminum were to destroy those organisms, it would cause a massive problem.

I proposed that Indians conduct experiments to determine whether other countries’ coal fly ash geoengineering is causing the high levels of mobile aluminum, or is it a consequence of India’s coal burning power plants that do not sequester coal fly ash.

India has an Alzheimer’s disease problem, as do many countries of the world. According to this, “Alzheimer’s in India is quickly becoming more and more common…” According to a paper published in 2012, southern India has a much higher rate of Alzheimer’s than rural northern India. What prompted your interest in India’s Alzheimer’s problem and not the USA’s?

My interest in aluminum-implicated neurological disorders caused by coal fly ash is the same throughout the world. I suspect that the aerosolized coal fly ash may be a leading cause.

“Worldwide, Alzheimer’s is found in at least one among 10 persons who are more than 80-year-old and one out of four persons who are above 90 years. In India, there are nearly 50 lakh [in 100,000] dementia patients of which, roughly 70 to 80 percent have Alzheimer’s. The Indian numbers are expected to double by 2030, and the costs involved are expected to increase three times.” (Source)



In India, more than 4 million people have some form of dementia. Worldwide, at least 44 million people are living with dementia, making the disease a global health crisis that must be addressed (Source)



Here is a map representing the death rates per 100,000 globally from Alzheimer’s/Dementia.



Isn’t weather geoengineering a blatant disregard and breach of the Nuremberg Code, especially since there is no citizen informed consent about what apparently is a global “scientific experiment” going on for years for some ultimate purpose? Would you like to guestimate as to what that purpose may be?

As I understand it, there are UN prohibitions against using weather modification against other countries, but it is permissible within one’s own country. In reality, weather is a global phenomenon.

[Realistically, couldn’t weather modification be considered an act of aggression against another country—interfering with a country’s ability to raise food or experience severe floods or drought?]

In the USA, Alzheimer’s is the sixth leading cause of death! In 2015, Alzheimer’s and other dementias will cost the nation $226 BILLION. By 2050, those costs could rise as high as $1.1TRILLION. In the USA, every 67 seconds someone develops Alzheimer’s. [2]

I note that you state in your paper that “After the US President Barack Hussein Obama was sworn in for a second term in office on 20 January, 2014, geoengineering activities escalated sharply, becoming a near-daily occurrence in many parts of America.”

Could you please elaborate further on why you think that has happened?

That it happened, I observed firsthand, as did many people who look at the sky with concern. Why? Perhaps an unholy alliance between scientists without moral values, who are arrogant enough to think they can control nature, but who are ignorant of why they cannot, and those with vested interests, who have the same absence of moral (humanitarian) values.

However, in a January 2014 Press Release didn’t President Obama say, “Hundreds of countries are carrying out weather modification programs, and we’re doing it better than any of them. However, this has been secret for too long. The American People need to know about what we do to make sure our children have something to eat each and every year. It’s true we need more oversight for geoengineering projects, so I’ve signed an executive order establishing an international third party oversight group to not only investigate for abuse but also to keep the public informed about new and existing geoengineering programs.”



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“Geoengineering is necessary for our country’s agricultural industries and keeps millions of Americans employed every year. Our efforts in high altitude microwave technology at HAARP combined with the innovations in cloud seeding technology introduced by the jet fuel industry gives the American People a level of control over the elements unprecedented in the history of mankind. American Scientists are quickly approaching capabilities which will not only curb global climate change, but also to put an end to disastrous hurricanes and typhoons. For decades these programs have been kept secret out of concern for national security, but I have decided there is no need to keep this program a secret. Sensational reports that the United States will exist in a ‘bubble’ as the rest of the world heats up uncontrollably have no basis in scientific fact.” [3]

Geoscientists seem to have little understanding of that which is not known, especially, the multitude of diverse and complex interactions that keep nature in a state of equilibrium. More realistically than the above optimistic-nonsense, due to geoscience tinkering with nature, our planet and its life-forms will suffer severe consequences unleashed by the foolish and inhumane.

Here is a NOAA National Climatic Data Center map showing land and ocean temperature percentiles from January to December 2013. Personally, I wonder how factually realistic it is, especially what’s shown for the eastern Pacific Ocean, where the legend indicates a “new average.”

Furthermore, I’d like to point out that scientifically-speaking, what’s seen in the skies sprayed above us is referred to as “weather geoengineering” or weather modification or even atmospheric engineering, and not chemtrails, the colloquial term most readers are familiar with. However, chemtrails also are known as the Jet Fuel Cloud Seeding Program (JFCSP) working in conjunction with the classified High Altitude Auroral Research Project (HAARP) which, apparently, are being managed by the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and DARPA.

Thank you, Dr. Herndon, for sharing your scientific expertise. We look forward to another interview with you in the near future about the effects of aluminum on humans and all life forms.

References:

[1] http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/well-known-scientist-sounds-the-alarm-on-geoengineering/

[2] http://www.alz.org/facts/overview.asp

[3] http://chronicle.su/2014/01/22/haarp-and-chemtrail-geoengineering-systems-protect-americas-climate-says-obama/

Catherine J Frompovich (website) is a retired natural nutritionist who earned advanced degrees in Nutrition and Holistic Health Sciences, Certification in Orthomolecular Theory and Practice plus Paralegal Studies. Her work has been published in national and airline magazines since the early 1980s. Catherine authored numerous books on health issues along with co-authoring papers and monographs with physicians, nurses, and holistic healthcare professionals. She has been a consumer healthcare researcher 35 years and counting.

Catherine’s latest book, published October 4, 2013, is Vaccination Voodoo, What YOU Don’t Know About Vaccines, available on Amazon.com.

Her 2012 book A Cancer Answer, Holistic BREAST Cancer Management, A Guide to Effective & Non-Toxic Treatments, is available on Amazon.com and as a Kindle eBook.

Two of Catherine’s more recent books on Amazon.com are Our Chemical Lives And The Hijacking Of Our DNA, A Probe Into What’s Probably Making Us Sick (2009) and Lord, How Can I Make It Through Grieving My Loss, An Inspirational Guide Through the Grieving Process (2008)