Sho_Nuff82 said: You compared MM to Rare, in the context that MM has several critical successes (so does Rare) a few modest commercial successes (so does Rare), and valuable ip that have been given life outside of the original developer (so does Rare). Click to expand...

Little Big Planet 2 and Tearaway bombing didn't suddenly make MM useless, did it? Click to expand...

In the UK, LittleBigPlanet 2 debuted at number one on the UK All Formats chart , then fell to number two in its second week of sales.[87] According to ChartTrack, the original LittleBigPlanet sold 95 more copies than LittleBigPlanet 2 managed at it debut week.[88] L ittleBigPlanet 2 remained the UK's biggest-selling PS3 game for two weeks in a row. [89] In Japan the game debuted at number five , selling 24,648 copies[90] and in North America it topped the North American software sales in its debut week.[91] LittleBigPlanet 2 was ranked number four on NPD's sales charts for January 2011 ,[92] selling over 353,000 units in its first couple of weeks .[93][94] On Black Friday in November 2011, LittleBigPlanet 2 sold over 400,000 copies .[95] According to SCE, LittleBigPlanet 2 was one of the most popular games on PlayStation 3 in 2011 .[69] Click to expand...

I covered up nothing. Rare's critically acclaimed games bombed, their mediocre fps and their decent motion games sold well. Kinect Sports 3 is probably going to sell well, KI3 is probably selling well. They are far from useless, even if they don't have the same autonomy to do whatever they please any longer (which is overstated anyway, as Nintendo forced the DK and Star Fox ips on them, the latter to the detriment of Dinosaur Planet). Click to expand...

Not anywhere to the same degree and this is not arguable, I don't think. If you want to argue it start posting some numbers and drawing real comprisons. Thus far you're unable to take the argument on the terms that the distinction was originally contested on.Ok now I know you're not reading my posts, since I included sales data showing how LBP2 in no way 'bombed'. It's a multi million seller on par with Rares best selling games since being bought and then being creatively purged. . Also Tearaway was made by a team of 8 people. For all this arguing you;re doing you haven't said anything to promote this concept that both studios are equally deficient a match for their platform holders.And again LBP 2 did not bomb in the slightest. Had it bombed Sony and MM wouldn't have supported it so much post launch, in fact the next DLC pack is coming up with added abilities.Don't miss that detail in the quote, Little Big Planet 2 sold 400 thousand copies on Black Friday 2011, a fullafter it was released at retail in January of that year. Sure, Black friday usually has great sales, but for titles that bombed and/or come out 10 month prior? You think so?You can put lipstick on a pig all you want, Rare was nowhere near as good of a fit for Microsoft and MM has been for Sony, hence the worse sales, critical reception, and the fact that Rareandwhile the studios wasThis goes beyond 'not having the same amount of freedom', the entire purpose of the studio was changed. It's akin to the purging that happened at Sega after the Dreamcast era where the old guard who wanted to someday get another console going were shown the door.Why bring up KI3 when it shows how little faith Microsoft has in Rare, and how ill suited Rare probably is to making such a game in its current form. Let's see how it actual does first eh? It will be a tall order for it to match the kind of performance the outsourced LBP titles have relative to platform. LBP PSP sold millions on a dead system and if we had the data I'm pretty sure LBP Vita has probably sold very well relative to other post launch Vita software.You might want parity to be true, but it just isn't. Rare underwent abecause of it.Being able to draw superficial parallels to critical reception and sales does not equal parity. You can do that with virtually any two random studios base on the criteria of 'critical reception' and 'sales' as long as you don't go into any details. I never said Rare is useless to Microsoft. Certainly not in their current souless form anyway.