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Author: ForCompendium



Before beginning the analysis let's look at some NA history:



TI4 three NA teams (including play-in): EG NAR Liquid

TI3 two NA teams: Dignitas Liquid



Let's start from TI3. Before TI3, LGD was the most stable domestic team:



G1 lost to [A], Alliware [sic] lost to navi, ECL failed to take silver... I believe lots of fans viewed LGD favorably last year.



After preliminaries, LGD and dignitas had the same score and needed tiebreakers. Dignitas's roster was thus:



Carry - Aui_2000

Mid - Sneyking

support1 - Fogged

support2 - waytosexy

Offlane - Universe



The exact lineups we can't really remember, 2000 brother Gyro and Sneyking QOP, LGD had a cumbersome Tidehunter,



[LGD] wasn't able to get any advantages from team fights, and if it weren't for our international friend's goodwill, we fear LGD may have been sent to the loser's bracket. At the time, Sneyking (whose individual skill is very strong, he should be turning 18 this year) on his QOP commenced little cousin-mode to help LGD get into the winner's bracket. [Sneyking is ethnically Chinese; "cousin" is a reference to iceiceice, who in a game where he played very badly afterward apologized, saying it was his younger cousin playing]



In the winner's bracket lost to Alliance, and faced Liquid in the loser's bracket.



Liquid's roster at the time:



Carry - TC

Mid - korok

Offlane - bulba

support1 - iximik88 [sic]

support2 - fulnnstunff [sic]



LGD once more used carry Alchemist. We believe everyone still remembers that Roshan fight, bulba's clockwerk hook and Mario uncle's crystal maiden ult. This match was considered the biggest upset of '13.



And so we said goodbye to LGD at TI3.



After TI3 dignitas announced they were disbanding their Dota 2 team, 2000 brother went back to Canada to play in Kaipi with EternalEnvy.



Kaipi's roster at the time was EternalEnvy/pieliedie/bone7 (Romania's offlane genius as Ice3 puts it, the inventor of midas DS). Arteezy leaves to finish high school, comewithme leaves, flying dagger Singsing joins, add in 2000 brother and we have the current C9;



Universe returns to EG, Liquid's mario uncle retires, korok leaves, waytosexy and mouz's (little b-god's former team) qojqov join Liquid. (after fulnnstunnff is kicked, ringer Demon joins)



Afterwards, those players we have not heard any news from make a comeback right before TI4 (at least I have not heard of NAR). Sneyking, fogged, korok (previously sojourned in Dignitas), along with former LGD.int players 1437 (previously sojourned in Dignitas) and brax form NAR;



TI4 Americas qualifier: Champion NAR, Runner-up Liquid.



(Americas qualifier winners NAR 1437 korok sneyking all previously sojourned in dignitas)



Main Topic:



1. Player Introduction:



Offlane - Bulba's most lasting impression is his clockwerk, this year he uses DS a lot. Solo mid - qojqva used to play position 3, maybe liquid's player stability is too volatile so he switched to 2. presently, in practice he's the real carry on liquid. Support - Demon ringer, no need to doubt his strength, he has the YOLO feed attribute (I still don't know how he broke up with Fear). Support - waytosexy mid ganker. Carry - TC TI3 fuzzy wuzzy, Razor, this year he plays a lot of Mirana and Dragon Knight.



2. Preliminaries Picks:







DS Shadow Fiend, Kotl, Leoric, Potm, this combo in 9 round robin matches was used 3 or 4 times, all victories.



3. Individual Hero Usages:



Offlane - bulba







Midlane - qojqva







Support - Demon







Support -- waytosexy







Carry - TC







4. Ban Stats:







5. Recommendation



Team Liquid in 18 matches used wisp once, mindlessly banned wisp 15 times, gave it to NAR once and lost, so CIS you can first pick Lycan easily, and they also don't really ban Invoker, so the OP thinks you can run zoo strat; or you can practice wisp+tiny (liquid may well neglect to ban wisp against Chinese teams).



SF, Potm, Leoric, DS, Kotl this lineup you absolutely cannot give up. In preliminaries they used this 3-4 times and all were victorious, and in many cases they were leaning towards a lineup like this also with victories. (DS, Leoric, SF, Potm), it's best not to let them take these heroes together.



Bulba got DS 7 times, winning nearly 90%. In the match point game against NAR, bulba didn't get DS but puck instead. Originally I thought their lineup is already more or less the same, but they still lost to NAR. It goes to show that DS and/or Mirana are still important points.



Although lately Liquid TC and Bulba's form may be lacking, the skill and experience is still there. I personally think they are still the greatest challenge for CIS in the play-ins.



CIS add oil! T/N: This is an article posted on SGamer publicly analyzing Liquid, and was likely intended only for a domestic audience. There's a lot of sarcasm in this, if that isn't obvious.Original: http://dota2.sgamer.com/news/201405/156615.html Author: ForCompendiumBefore beginning the analysis let's look at some NA history:TI4 three NA teams (including play-in): EG NAR LiquidTI3 two NA teams: Dignitas LiquidLet's start from TI3. Before TI3, LGD was the most stable domestic team:G1 lost to [A], Alliware [sic] lost to navi, ECL failed to take silver... I believe lots of fans viewed LGD favorably last year.After preliminaries, LGD and dignitas had the same score and needed tiebreakers. Dignitas's roster was thus:Carry - Aui_2000Mid - Sneykingsupport1 - Foggedsupport2 - waytosexyOfflane - UniverseThe exact lineups we can't really remember, 2000 brother Gyro and Sneyking QOP, LGD had a cumbersome Tidehunter,[LGD] wasn't able to get any advantages from team fights, and if it weren't for our international friend's goodwill, we fear LGD may have been sent to the loser's bracket. At the time, Sneyking (whose individual skill is very strong, he should be turning 18 this year) on his QOP commenced little cousin-mode to help LGD get into the winner's bracket. [Sneyking is ethnically Chinese; "cousin" is a reference to iceiceice, who in a game where he played very badly afterward apologized, saying it was his younger cousin playing]In the winner's bracket lost to Alliance, and faced Liquid in the loser's bracket.Liquid's roster at the time:Carry - TCMid - korokOfflane - bulbasupport1 - iximik88 [sic]support2 - fulnnstunff [sic]LGD once more used carry Alchemist. We believe everyone still remembers that Roshan fight, bulba's clockwerk hook and Mario uncle's crystal maiden ult. This match was considered the biggest upset of '13.And so we said goodbye to LGD at TI3.After TI3 dignitas announced they were disbanding their Dota 2 team, 2000 brother went back to Canada to play in Kaipi with EternalEnvy.Kaipi's roster at the time was EternalEnvy/pieliedie/bone7 (Romania's offlane genius as Ice3 puts it, the inventor of midas DS). Arteezy leaves to finish high school, comewithme leaves, flying dagger Singsing joins, add in 2000 brother and we have the current C9;Universe returns to EG, Liquid's mario uncle retires, korok leaves, waytosexy and mouz's (little b-god's former team) qojqov join Liquid. (after fulnnstunnff is kicked, ringer Demon joins)Afterwards, those players we have not heard any news from make a comeback right before TI4 (at least I have not heard of NAR). Sneyking, fogged, korok (previously sojourned in Dignitas), along with former LGD.int players 1437 (previously sojourned in Dignitas) and brax form NAR;TI4 Americas qualifier: Champion NAR, Runner-up Liquid.(Americas qualifier winners NAR 1437 korok sneyking all previously sojourned in dignitas)Main Topic:1. Player Introduction:Offlane - Bulba's most lasting impression is his clockwerk, this year he uses DS a lot. Solo mid - qojqva used to play position 3, maybe liquid's player stability is too volatile so he switched to 2. presently, in practice he's the real carry on liquid. Support - Demon ringer, no need to doubt his strength, he has the YOLO feed attribute (I still don't know how he broke up with Fear). Support - waytosexy mid ganker. Carry - TC TI3 fuzzy wuzzy, Razor, this year he plays a lot of Mirana and Dragon Knight.2. Preliminaries Picks:DS Shadow Fiend, Kotl, Leoric, Potm, this combo in 9 round robin matches was used 3 or 4 times, all victories.3. Individual Hero Usages:Offlane - bulbaMidlane - qojqvaSupport - DemonSupport -- waytosexyCarry - TC4. Ban Stats:5. RecommendationTeam Liquid in 18 matches used wisp once, mindlessly banned wisp 15 times, gave it to NAR once and lost, so CIS you can first pick Lycan easily, and they also don't really ban Invoker, so the OP thinks you can run zoo strat; or you can practice wisp+tiny (liquid may well neglect to ban wisp against Chinese teams).SF, Potm, Leoric, DS, Kotl this lineup you absolutely cannot give up. In preliminaries they used this 3-4 times and all were victorious, and in many cases they were leaning towards a lineup like this also with victories. (DS, Leoric, SF, Potm), it's best not to let them take these heroes together.Bulba got DS 7 times, winning nearly 90%. In the match point game against NAR, bulba didn't get DS but puck instead. Originally I thought their lineup is already more or less the same, but they still lost to NAR. It goes to show that DS and/or Mirana are still important points.Although lately Liquid TC and Bulba's form may be lacking, the skill and experience is still there. I personally think they are still the greatest challenge for CIS in the play-ins.CIS add oil! everything that rises must converge