Despite her general resistance to getting political on her show, Ellen DeGeneres took a firm stance against Donald Trump on Friday, when she told Matt Lauer that she would not, hypothetically, invite the president on as a guest. She’d said the same thing to Alec Baldwin just days before, but Lauer, unlike Baldwin, also hit her with a follow-up: Why? That’s when DeGeneres, a genial comedian known for keeping things light, took her firmest anti-Trump stance.

“Because I’m not going to change his mind,” DeGeneres told Lauer. “He’s against everything that I stand for. We need to look at someone else who looks different than us and believes in something that we don’t believe in and still accept them, and still let them have their rights.”

DeGeneres has spoken out against Trump before on Ellen, though in the past she’s done so more obliquely: in January following the Trump administration’s Muslim ban, DeGeneres used her most recent film to critique the president.

“Over the weekend, on Friday, the president gave an order banning people from seven countries from entering the United States, including people with green cards,” she told her audience. “And then on Saturday, the president screened Finding Dory at the White House. I don’t get political, but I will say that I am against one of those two things,” DeGeneres said to thunderous applause.

“Like I said, I don’t get political, so I’m not gonna talk about the travel ban,” she continued. “I’m just gonna talk about the very nonpolitical, family-friendly, People’s Choice Award–winning Finding Dory. Dory lives in Australia, and these are her parents, and they live in America. And I don’t know what religion they are, but her dad sounds a little Jewish. It doesn’t matter. Dory arrives in America with her friends Marlin and Nemo. She ends up at the Marine Life Institute behind a large wall. They all have to get over the wall, and you won’t believe it, but that wall has almost no effect in keeping them out. . . . Even though Dory gets into America, she ends up separated from her family, but the other animals help Dory. Animals that don’t even need her. Animals that don’t even have anything in common with her. They help her, even though they’re completely different colors. Because that’s what you do when you see someone in need—you help them.”

It was a clear message—but by saying outright that she has no intention of inviting Trump onto her show, DeGeneres has stepped up the game. It makes sense that she would avoid politics generally: like Jimmy Fallon, her audience is likely not as firmly dominated by liberals as, say, that of Seth Meyers. And despite a few exceptions like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, DeGeneres doesn’t usually welcome politicians to her daytime show; it’s just not that kind of a program. But, as has been said before and bears repeating, our current political situation is unprecedented—and given the times, even apolitical programs like Ellen have been thrust into a position where simple booking decisions and breezy interviews become a statement of their own. Looks as though DeGeneres just made hers.