

Metatron2008

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united state Metatron2008 Premium Member Would be better than at&t But that's like saying getting a cold is better then being kicked in the nuts.



corster

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North York, ON corster Premium Member Not to mention The spectrum T-Mobile gets from AT&Fee as compensation should the deal fall through...

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Clearwire is a dead end. They should just sell off their spectrum assets to Sprint and get out of the business

AVonGauss

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Boynton Beach, FL AVonGauss Premium Member Re: Clearwire is a I can't believe I'm saying, but I would rather Comcast or Time Warner buy T-Mobile than Sprint. Nothing against Sprint per se, but they have their own issues they still need to work out.

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Re: Clearwire is a Sprint buying T-Mobile would be worst than their failed Nextel purchase. Two totally different technologies GSM vs CDMA .. don't want to go there again



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: Clearwire is a If you actually read the slides from the Sprint conference earlier this month (October), you would have seen that Sprint intends to build LTE using T-Mobile's current spectrum.

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Re: Clearwire is a source?

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Re: Clearwire is a yes it does, however GSM and CDMA are not compatible



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: Clearwire is a No, they are not.



You do see now why Sprint is angry at the merger.



However, that bitterness doesn't translate that AT&T is any better. You know AT&T was given a lot of money from tax breaks to build fiber optic internet a decade ago, and they did not. They made a lot of promises, but did not fulfill any of them.



Verizon (landline) is equally guilty.

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Re: Clearwire is a I see they don't want to be the 'third best'



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: Clearwire is a I hope you're not insinuating that AT&T and Verizon are better corporations as that would be completely naive to say that.

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Re: Clearwire is a They are better in that they have positive earnings and cash flow .. but 'better corporations' in the sense of consumer sentiment? Nope

elray

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said by HaloFans: However, that bitterness doesn't translate that AT&T is any better. You know AT&T was given a lot of money from tax breaks to build fiber optic internet a decade ago, and they did not. They made a lot of promises, but did not fulfill any of them.



Verizon (landline) is equally guilty.



I never heard of such, though it wouldn't surprise me with Billy Tauzin on the payroll.



What promises did they "not fulfill" ?



I'm not really impressed with either landline company, but you'd be hard pressed to argue they haven't been busy building up their product lines and delivering substantial upgrades in broadband service. Just exactly what "tax breaks" were they given?I never heard of such, though it wouldn't surprise me with Billy Tauzin on the payroll.What promises did they "not fulfill" ?I'm not really impressed with either landline company, but you'd be hard pressed to argue they haven't been busy building up their product lines and delivering substantial upgrades in broadband service.

etaadmin

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united state etaadmin Member Re: Clearwire is a He, he, suddenly everybody just shut up.



Thanks for the links I have been looking for them for a long time.

elray

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Thanks for the cites.



While they're not exactly unbiased (considering the first source), and some of the content is not germane, the second link speaks in volume to the spirit of the populist complaints we see so often here. I'll be giving my printer a workout this evening, and consuming the tome over the weekend.

sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: Clearwire is a said by elray: Thanks for the cites.



While they're not exactly unbiased (considering the first source), and some of the content is not germane, the second link speaks in volume to the spirit of the populist complaints we see so often here. I'll be giving my printer a workout this evening, and consuming the tome over the weekend.

You think NPR is biased? Are you freaking serious?

elray

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Santa Monica, CA elray Member Re: Clearwire is a said by sonicmerlin: said by elray: Thanks for the cites.



While they're not exactly unbiased (considering the first source), and some of the content is not germane, the second link speaks in volume to the spirit of the populist complaints we see so often here. I'll be giving my printer a workout this evening, and consuming the tome over the weekend.



You think NPR is biased? Are you freaking serious?



The difference with NPR is that it uses taxpayer funds to blast its propaganda and simultaneously drapes itself in a "non-profit" halo. Of course its biased. All media are biased.The difference with NPR is that it uses taxpayer funds to blast its propaganda and simultaneously drapes itself in a "non-profit" halo.

sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: Clearwire is a said by elray: said by sonicmerlin: said by elray: Thanks for the cites.



While they're not exactly unbiased (considering the first source), and some of the content is not germane, the second link speaks in volume to the spirit of the populist complaints we see so often here. I'll be giving my printer a workout this evening, and consuming the tome over the weekend.



You think NPR is biased? Are you freaking serious?



The difference with NPR is that it uses taxpayer funds to blast its propaganda and simultaneously drapes itself in a "non-profit" halo.

Of course its biased. All media are biased.The difference with NPR is that it uses taxpayer funds to blast its propaganda and simultaneously drapes itself in a "non-profit" halo. What evidence do you have that NPR is biased or "blasts propaganda"? Show me some examples.



Matt3

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said by Jim_in_VA: yes it does, however GSM and CDMA are not compatible





Although why support a dying technology? Just migrate the TMo customers from GSM to LTE like AT&T did when they migrated Orange to Blue after the Cingular merger. With the Sprint Vision network retrofit, adding GSM support is a simple matter of plugging a blade into the base station.Although why support a dying technology? Just migrate the TMo customers from GSM to LTE like AT&T did when they migrated Orange to Blue after the Cingular merger.

Jim_in_VA (banned)

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BUCKEYECOM

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because migrating those customers from GSM to CDMA would kill those of us that enjoy our TMO coverage and services the way it is. If we were migrated now to CMDA it would kill what we get- especially our wifi/uma calling. Something Sprint does NOT offer nor will ever. They have their cheap POS AiRaves that are suppose to do that but only at home. Also we can use our phones in 50% of the world without unlocking the phone nor moving to a provider there. We just put on the Wifi Calling. Again, something Sprint only dreams of offering.



Sprint would KILL TMO-USA and the entire company would tank- just as they killed and ruined Nextel that ended up hurting the Sprint Brand.

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said by Matt3: said by Jim_in_VA: yes it does, however GSM and CDMA are not compatible





Although why support a dying technology? Just migrate the TMo customers from GSM to LTE like AT&T did when they migrated Orange to Blue after the Cingular merger.

With the Sprint Vision network retrofit, adding GSM support is a simple matter of plugging a blade into the base station.Although why support a dying technology? Just migrate the TMo customers from GSM to LTE like AT&T did when they migrated Orange to Blue after the Cingular merger. Having a *Vision* vs. putting it into order are two completely separate things. They need to have the capital and barely have enough to do network vision. They are way behind even T-Mobile in terms of having a 4G network and they haven't even migrated the network they acquired in 05".



tiger72

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said by Jim_in_VA: yes it does, however GSM and CDMA are not compatible





If Sprint bought T-Mobile, they could keep their CDMA network for their prepaid/industry mobile network, use HSPA+ for their workhorse (by adding Sprint/Clear AWS spectrum), and use LTE for the future.



But of course, this is all moot, since Sprint doesn't have nearly the available cash and options as incentive to entice Deutsche Telekom. In 2 years, that's not going to matter. As soon as VoLTE is production-ready, T-Mobile's GSM network would get shuttered. 3 years ago, the whole CDMA vs GSM talking point had sway. Nowadays? Notsomuch. It's played out, and it's no longer an obstacle. The industry has changed, and it's consolidating onto HSPA+ and LTE.If Sprint bought T-Mobile, they could keep their CDMA network for their prepaid/industry mobile network, use HSPA+ for their workhorse (by adding Sprint/Clear AWS spectrum), and use LTE for the future.But of course, this is all moot, since Sprint doesn't have nearly the available cash and options as incentive to entice Deutsche Telekom.



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Doesn't T-Mobile run its GSM network on 1900 MHz?



No - They use 1700 Mhz for their 3G/4G Data Frequency (and thus are not compatible with AT&T's 1900Mhz 3G/4G frequency). This is why T-Mobile was refused the right to sell the new iPhone 4S (since Apple did not bother to include this frequency in that phone). This lack of support by Apple is IMO due to some pressure from AT&T to make their takeover of T-Mobile easier. The design of the iPhone 4S started BEFORE AT&T started their T-Mobile acquisition efforts so that event was not what stopped the addition of the frequency in the device. BTW: Pre-iPhone 4S T-Mobile had a 3% share of all iPhones due to their selling of the needed SIM/mini-SIM. Those users were just restricted to the EDGE network.



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: Clearwire is a What's the frequency that T-Mobile uses for phone calls and text messages?

iFail 5G

join:2011-08-03 iFail 5G Member Re: Clearwire is a said by HaloFans: What's the frequency that T-Mobile uses for phone calls and text messages?

It depends on which network, T-Mobile like AT&T is essentially running two different networks. If you are on the GSM network, then 1900mhz, on UMTS/HSPA+ its AWS 1700/2100



RARPSL

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Suffern, NY RARPSL Member Re: Clearwire is a said by iFail 5G: said by HaloFans: What's the frequency that T-Mobile uses for phone calls and text messages?



It depends on which network, T-Mobile like AT&T is essentially running two different networks. If you are on the GSM network, then 1900mhz, on UMTS/HSPA+ its AWS 1700/2100 The UMTS/HSPA+ is their 3G/4g DATA (ie: Internet) Network. The Phone and Text are 1900 Mhz (which is why the iPhone can work as a PHONE with T-Mobile SIMs/Mini-SIMs). They also share the same frequency (I do not remember which it is) as AT&T's EDGE Network so the iPhone falls back to EDGE for Data usage when not in an T-Mobile (or T-Mobile Roaming) area.



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: Clearwire is a I said 1900 MHz, so why were you arguing with me earlier?



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The iPhone works fine on T-mobile's network as a phone, it's only restriction is EDGE data.



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said by RARPSL

The UMTS/HSPA+ is their 3G/4g DATA (ie: Internet) Network. The Phone and Text are 1900 Mhz (which is why the iPhone can work as a PHONE with T-Mobile SIMs/Mini-SIMs).



In contrast to LTE and WiMax which at this time cannot handle voice. (In any case, they're likely to use a VoIP/SIP based service in the future). UMTS/HSPA+ can actually handle voice and SMS. For example, I turned off my 2G radio in my Nexus One and am only using AWS 1700/2100 for everything.In contrast to LTE and WiMax which at this time cannot handle voice. (In any case, they're likely to use a VoIP/SIP based service in the future).

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said by RARPSL: said by iFail 5G: said by HaloFans: What's the frequency that T-Mobile uses for phone calls and text messages?



It depends on which network, T-Mobile like AT&T is essentially running two different networks. If you are on the GSM network, then 1900mhz, on UMTS/HSPA+ its AWS 1700/2100

The UMTS/HSPA+ is their 3G/4g DATA (ie: Internet) Network. The Phone and Text are 1900 Mhz (which is why the iPhone can work as a PHONE with T-Mobile SIMs/Mini-SIMs). They also share the same frequency (I do not remember which it is) as AT&T's EDGE Network so the iPhone falls back to EDGE for Data usage when not in an T-Mobile (or T-Mobile Roaming) area.



UMTS/HSPA+ carry's voice and SMS + data all at the same time. If you are connected to UMTS then you are not connected to GSM/EDGE at all.



When you put a T-Mobile SIM into an iPhone it looks for UMTS on 1900/850mhz but cannot find it so it reverts down to T-Mobile's older GSM network. Huh? No, GSM is their *legacy* network which runs on the PCS 1900mhz block, AT&T also runs GSM in 1900 and 850mhz. Both carriers have chosen the next upgrade path as UMTS/HSPA+ which for AT&T run's on 850/1900,. T-Mobile's run's on AWS 1700/2100 mhz.UMTS/HSPA+ carry's voice and SMS + data all at the same time. If you are connected to UMTS then you are not connected to GSM/EDGE at all.When you put a T-Mobile SIM into an iPhone it looks for UMTS on 1900/850mhz but cannot find it so it reverts down to T-Mobile's older GSM network.



tellie

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yes even though the qualcom chip apple uses in the iPhone DOES support the AWS frequency that Tmobile uses.

do some homework on the gobi3000 and sierra wireless cards..

chgo_man99

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San Jose, CA chgo_man99 Member question is: will clear keep "unlimited" 4g now that Sprint has decided to kill unlimited data?



HaloFans

join:2006-12-18 HaloFans Member Re: question is: will clear keep "unlimited" 4g So much FUD.



It's no secret that for tethering, Sprint always had an invisible cap around 5GB. The press confirms that it's true.



The data is still unlimited for smartphone use.

chgo_man99

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San Jose, CA chgo_man99 Member Re: question is: will clear keep "unlimited" 4g Explains while data prioritization have been always higher on sprint plan than clear plan even though same towers for 4g.

williamthril0

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Mcallen, TX williamthril0 Member Google I would think a Google purchase is more likely.



BUCKEYECOM

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praetoralpha

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Pittsburgh, PA praetoralpha Member Re: Google FDA???? Is Google selling bad food nowadays? Or making drugs that turn people's eyeballs inside out?

RDC17

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Vienna, VA RDC17 Member Polar opposites The cable cos would rather stab their eyes out than play nice with T-Mobile's pricing levels.

romulusnr

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Federal Way, WA romulusnr Member Huh? Now they need spectrum? I thought the whole point of the TMO-ATT merger was that TMO had all this spectrum but no means to deploy it, while ATT had all the means to deploy it but was low on spectrum.



Now TMO needs spectrum? How does that affect the merger calculations?



(Oh, right, it's so that ATT can be the majority player in wireless, I forgot.)

mogamer

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Royal Oak, MI mogamer Member Good for wireless industry. I wouldn't have a problem with the cabelcos buying T-Mobile. The wireless industry in this country needs another player with money to invest. Something Sprint lacks now and probably will forever. Even Google buying T-Mobile would be better for the consumer than ATT.



Right now we have the Big Two, the Weak Two and the Bit Players in wireless. If T-Mobile falls to ATT, then Sprint will go to Verizion. No way could Sprint survive as one of the Bit Players. This will really kill innovation and competition in this country.