zumzat: Well... it's not entirely made up:

Apparently we have been stockpiling Titans (For that winter derp we are still waiting for) in a ~~Secure~~ system in a bunch of CSMA

Somehow this -A- spy managed to infiltrate this small group of player that even knew about this and got a -A- titan to cyno in a bunch of titan capable pods next-door to pick them up as he jettisoned them and turned of ff

whelp

Edit: apparently they got some 3 or 4 titans (its hard to keep tack of how many extra titans you have apparently HEH) so 500b is a bit optimistic

mschem: it was post on kugu about recent theft in pl

Theng Hofses: Oh, I am not aware of -A- stealing PL titanS, Skrypt just took one

Jamus Gorrelius: Lol PL is realy becoming shit I bet ther elite pvp member base loves it

Theng Hofses: It would be hilliarious if BDCI gets kicked over this though

Theng Hofses: but I somehow don't believe they would do that

Theng Hofses: at least before we made some stuff public BDCI was a lot less trolled within PL than, well ever

xeenon: why don't we use geddons against navypocs?

xeenon: cheap and triage carriers don't matter

Jamus Gorrelius: because they will drop blap dreads

xeenon: WN did drop titans

xeenon: unnerfed titans

xeenon: and we still did fine

Jamus Gorrelius: blap dreads have no penalty to tracking in siege now so they track better than tits

xeenon: they track like tits before patch

Abinadi9: good to see our allies in legio are running a gate camp in v-3 next to a system that is empty

xeenon: still tengu are useless against navypocs

Jamus Gorrelius: and geddons would die in a fire

xeenon: and geddons can easily evaporate sieged dreads

xeenon: they should

TJ: the ncdot zealot fit for ahacs would probs work vs them nav pocs

xeenon: they are 5 timess cheaper

TJ: beam zealots

TJ: and can avoid blap dreads

Jamus Gorrelius: thought those zeleots were pulse with x2 tracking comps

TJ: mix of fit

??????: mostly beams afaik

xeenon: time to forget about tengus, they gonna get nerfed soon anyway

??????: well not so soon actually, not in first patch at least

Magnifikus: dreads dont track like tits before patch

Jamus Gorrelius: TJ you got a link to one of there fittings

Magnifikus: dreads track like before patch in siege

Magnifikus: they halfed xl turret tracking

Magnifikus: and removed siege penalty

TJ: http://northern-coal...l&kll_id=207055

TJ: in fairness these all have pulse

Jamus Gorrelius: yeah i was gonna say i havnt found a beam version

Papula: beam is hard to fit because of pg issue

TJ: http://northern-coal...l&kll_id=200963

TJ: there is a beam fit one

Markus Dixon: 2 Anc rigs

Markus Dixon: nearly the only difference

TJ: we need to find a way to beat the navpocs

Markus Dixon: PG Implant maybe?

TJ: cant beat it with tengus

TJ: cant beat it on range

xeenon: geddons

TJ: geddons with additional EM hardners MIGHT do it

Markus Dixon: And we need to prevent them from just dropping Dreads/Supers on us

xeenon: you lose 3 geddons they lose 1 navypoc

TJ: but will get raped to supers /dreads

xeenon: profit

Markus Dixon: Thats now what would happen

xeenon: and

Marv: isk war is hit - sov war is win

Markus Dixon: wed lose 10 geddons

xeenon: they'll lose shitloads

TJ: zealots might have a low enough sig to not get hit

Marv: *shit

xeenon: navypocs

Markus Dixon: maybe 1 Napoc who falls asleep

Jamus Gorrelius: those beam zeleots have shit dps when loaded with arou

xeenon: until they drop supers

xeenon: like wn did lose crapload of abaddon until titans on grid

TJ: supers and bombs wont do anything to ahacs

xeenon: ahac can't beat triage carrier reps

xeenon: until we have 256 ppl in fleet

??????: big surprise: tengus cant aswell

??????: all times tengu was op success, it was because we had full fleet

TJ: if we can fight under jammers

TJ: with our own triage

TJ: winwin

Marv: we need a plan for carrier usage - but we have none

zumzat: why use triage if u can fit 3xSB and still ahve decent BS lock time ?

zumzat: and remrep

zumzat: and badons -> geddons btw

zumzat: abaddon still covers all drake working range

zumzat: and rapes napocs

zumzat: rapes triage

Fafer: tempests

Markus Dixon: Also expensive loss if you get someone who doesnt use it right

xeenon: geddons better at raping triage

xeenon: because of rof

TJ: tempests too easily bombed with low tanks

TJ: at least a baddon has a huge tank

xeenon: they shoot quicker than rep cycles

Fafer: tempest will not hurt from void bombs

xeenon: tempests are crap

zumzat: geddons suffer from drakes

TJ: lol

zumzat: in case drakes performed right

TJ: ok ladies

TJ: lets think about it

TJ: what rapes

TJ: drakes

TJ: navpocs

xeenon: abaddon are ok also

TJ: and has the tank

xeenon: but more expensive

zumzat: badons and scanres carriers

??????: anyone considered couple of suicide blap dreads?

zumzat: which can be remreped both by guardians and other carriers

??????: to kill carriers or some navypocs

??????: exchange should be pretty effective

zumzat: [Archon, scan res]

Armor Explosive Hardener II

Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Armor Thermic Hardener II

Damage Control II

Armor EM Hardener II

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Capital Remote Armor Repair System I

Capital Remote Armor Repair System I

Capital Remote Armor Repair System I

Capital Energy Transfer Array I

Capital Energy Transfer Array I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I

Large Remote Repair Augmentor I

zumzat: this carrier has 12k remrep tank from other similar carrier

Jamus Gorrelius: tbh 100 alpha maels will pop a napoc lol

Abinadi9: they're going to drop dreads everytime, they're going to escallate, everytime... they start to lose, they're going to escallate... maybe not if we have a cyno jammer... but once that jammer is down, they'll escallate... signature radius...

zumzat: 10 carriers mean 120k tank, mean 10+ dreads to break the tank

zumzat: not even considering 30-40 guard reps on top

Fafer: yzumzat carrier you pasted comes in combination wit cap dedicated carrier

Markus Dixon: They cant always escalate, when far away from home

xeenon: maels suffer from bobmers greatly

Markus Dixon: PL can escalate, but their shitty allies cant

Abinadi9: are we worried about their shitty allies?

Abinadi9: we're worried about pl

Abinadi9: they're the only threat

Marv: maels and pests are shit...no tank...

Abinadi9: goons aren't nimble and test is incompitent

Abinadi9: the answer is signature radius... we have to take out their BS with smaller, faster, sig radius tanked ships

Jamus Gorrelius: whats the tracking on those napocs

zumzat: lol ive got news for u

zumzat: sig does not carry when painted and webbed

| Edited 20:53:41] zumzat: it just pops like a 50k hp bs

Abinadi9: agreed, but you're already effectively painted in a geddon/maelstrom/etc

zumzat: geddon has 130k hp

zumzat: and MUCH more damage

Jamus Gorrelius: there is no i win button, simple thing is FC needs to call right targets like maka did, start with the huggins and work your way through, with good logi anchor and FC and peeps knowing wtf theyer doing then you win

TJ: we could always do our own apoc fleets

Marv: geddons are only good if u use sentries...so you need to be stationary. baddons could be good

TJ: lol

xeenon: we lose much more isk

xeenon: stupidly losing tengus

Marv: yeah...fight fire with fire...use navyapocs

xeenon: no point

Markus Dixon: GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS. Ive had an EPIPHANY.

TJ: not so much nav pocs

Markus Dixon: We do Thrashers

Markus Dixon: and kill the napocs with them

Fafer: so how about we all sit into bombers, get in their behins

Fafer: rf some structire

Fafer: divide into grous

xeenon: i think this time, we won't get out of lgk :\

Fafer: converge again

Fafer: etc

Marv: true @mutafakas

??????: except they'll probably won't attack

??????: just to troll

zumzat: give all space to cva and disband before anyone comes to attack

Markus Dixon: Noone wanted it anyways!

Markus Dixon: (facepalm)

zumzat: useless space

zumzat: just like provi

Markus Dixon: |-(

Abinadi9: i've got it

Abinadi9: [Zealot, New Setup 1]

Reactor Control Unit II

Reactor Control Unit II

800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Heat Sink II

Heat Sink II

Shadow Serpentis 100MN MicroWarpdrive

[empty med slot]

[empty med slot]

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Abinadi9:

Abinadi9: 3325m/s

Abinadi9: lol

Markus Dixon:

Markus Dixon: (facepalm)

Mutafakaz: coolstory bro

Abinadi9: obviously a joke

??????: i saw a movie recently, where 100mn ab zealot + somebody kills our allies in hed

Abinadi9: :P

??????: was fun

Markus Dixon: lmao

Markus Dixon: GTFO ABI

Markus Dixon: Markus Dixon points to door

Abinadi9: Abinadi9 leaves

Markus Dixon: Bye!

Markus Dixon: http://captionsearch...ijobf4e8h-t.jpg

TJ: solar is doing loki fleets

TJ: which would also rape navpocs

Marv: marv smiles

TJ: huge em resists

TJ: cant be bombed well

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: we do loki / neut legion combo against other wh corp, i know its wh fighting but it works and the fleets are decent size, 50-100 and we always fighting 4-5 caps with none on our side.

TJ: that might actually be a solution to this

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: on my alt ofcourse

Mutafakaz: let's disband

TJ: damn

TJ: if we have too

TJ: seriously tho, loki is an easy answer to the navpocs and drakes

Mutafakaz: expensive

TJ: range and damage

Mutafakaz: abaddon range damage and price

TJ: more expensive than a tengu?

Mutafakaz: under gazillions webs and painters it doesn't matter what are you in

Mutafakaz: tengu or carrier

??????: am i only who thinks that core problem that there is no easy answer and safe solution?

??????: to this scale of pvp we facing

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: we won't win using bs vs bs 2-1 3-1

Mutafakaz: we are not winning using 5 launcher tengu with their crap deepees

Mutafakaz: while losing them and not killing navypocs at all

Mutafakaz: [2. listopada 2012. 21:10] ??????:

<<< am i only who thinks that core problem that there is no easy answer and safe solution?yes you are

Mutafakaz: go away noob!

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: if we drop BS on them.... they will all die... at 2-1 3-1, after killing maybe, maybe 2-3 Navy apocs, they will have killed 20 of use and then they will be able to tank our dps and we will all die, no escaping.

Markus Dixon: I like the idea of the Loki

Marv: yes

Mutafakaz: [2. listopada 2012. 21:13] Kain Rehel [BUSA]:

<<< if we drop BS on them.... they will all die... at 2-1 3-1, after killing maybe, maybe 2-3 Navy apocs, they will have killed 20 of use and then they will be able to tank our dps and we will all die, no escaping.why so serious?

Mutafakaz: let's try and see

Mutafakaz: anyway loki gonna die in fire too

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: its just math man... we use t3, cause of tank, but even that isn't working.

Markus Dixon: it would be tempting to Go ballsdeep with them

Mutafakaz: and 4 times more expensive

Markus Dixon: Drop abaddons on them

Markus Dixon: facerape them

Markus Dixon: 4:1 odds

??????: torpedo phoons?

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: i'm all for trying but u guys need to get members in the fleet.

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: if its not even 2-1, we will lose all

??????: bad things that min prices went up last 6 months

??????: so did tier 1 bs's

Markus Dixon: EUTZ has been ok for numbers

Markus Dixon: but due to shitty way TEST pvps

??????: used to love 40-50 mil hulls

Markus Dixon: we been losing USTZ numbers

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: 135 in fleet for CTA isn't good numbers

Markus Dixon: its better than USTZ

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: I got 70 in US last night. thats normal for US

Markus Dixon: Thats exactly it.

zumzat: with 3k members in ally?

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: i'm just saying at 2-1, BS vs BS we will kill 4 napocs.. and lose everything

Markus Dixon: We need to magically pull some USTZ numbers out of our ass

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: so what was the point of bringing 150 to g-M when we already lost the system?

??????: um? i heard rol has saved osuf

TJ: http://eve-kill.net/...kll_id=14768031

Papula: yep

Papula: t-3 / hacs

TJ: dont do enough damage tho ye....

zumzat: i dont understand how goons/rzr keep losing drakes to ahacs

zumzat: drakes are fucking 2 times faster !

zumzat: and 30km more range

zumzat: kite the shit out of ahacs

Markus Dixon: Bad FCs

PG: there are always those that approach their targets as well..

Theng Hofses: Play to the weakness of your ship

Jamus Gorrelius: Contact received from Jamus Gorrelius

Theng Hofses: you want to invite him? It's the + sign in the middle on top

eleila.dostoyevskitty: 7 PL super in arton if non of you say that part

Shadeforce: i haven't spoken here for a while , mainly because nothing has been said here for quite some time

Shadeforce: now i see a good discussion about the current problems

Shadeforce: i only have one thing to say about it : imo you will not find a single solution in terms of ships to use

Shadeforce: they use what ? 3 ship types ...we wanna use one....

Shadeforce: in order to counter them imo u guys need to think about using more then one ship type(excluding logi)

Shadeforce: and we need more numbers (meat shield if u will) from outside

Shadeforce: we got what atm ? us + rol

Shadeforce: they got what ? 5 meatshield alliances

Shadeforce: one of which is 10k....

Shadeforce: we need someone else to enter this conflict against them

markus.dixon: -A-, ROL, SONE, ENGRE, Solar

Shadeforce: solar ain't here

markus.dixon: So many other small entities.

Shadeforce: yes small

Shadeforce: count em , they are about 25k players/accounts

Shadeforce: we are what ? 7k at best

Shadeforce: not the end of the world u know

Shadeforce: we have faced similar odds before

Shadeforce: but the truth is we cannot match em 1 on 1 on the field

Shadeforce: so we need another approach

Shadeforce: guerilla maybe

Shadeforce: let em grind sov

Shadeforce: etc.etc.

Shadeforce: not much we can do

Shadeforce: unless goons magically decide to attack em in the back

Shadeforce: there is no other big force that can enter this conflict

Shadeforce: which will eventually happen , once we are removed from map

markus.dixon: But not before

markus.dixon: so consider GSF/TEST the same entity

Shadeforce: i'm not saying give up now because there is nothing to be done

Shadeforce: i am saying that ppl stopped logging in because we are trying to face them every time

Shadeforce: and we don't seem to win

Shadeforce: and we don't seem to win because they use mass drakes , large quantities of bs and supers we cannot even think to match

Shadeforce: so then what can we do ?

Shadeforce: start having fun and doing damage to them

Shadeforce: forget the sov , let em worry about it

Shadeforce: hit and run , use cheap stuff

Shadeforce: make it fun for ppl and they will log on again

Shadeforce: i might be terribly wrong here

Shadeforce: but that's what i think

Shadeforce: right now if you are a member of this alliance , there is nothing to log on for but the next cta that we are gonna get camped in

Shadeforce: so let's go north , deploy somewhere else maybe , think out of the box

Shadeforce: we are facing the next drf

Shadeforce: and they are on the rise

Shadeforce: they got the morale

markus.dixon: Hahaha. These guys are nothing like the DRF

markus.dixon: they are worse

Shadeforce: they got the tools

Elrond: aaa needs to lose

Shadeforce: we already lost m8

Elrond: instead of talking about ways of moving sideways to avoid losing

Elrond: then say that

Elrond: publicly post it

Elrond: move to lgk and say hey test

Shadeforce: i am up for that

Elrond: go grind, we dont care, you won with your 25k, we're off ot have fun. cya

alchemy-x: Morning ppl

Shadeforce: same way we said against drf

Shadeforce: we can't win this

Elrond: drf and test are not alike

Shadeforce: so let's have fun and do damage to them

Elrond: there is no comparison

alchemy-x: I love to read all the above

Shadeforce: the comparison is simple : we cannot beat them now

Shadeforce: as we couldn't beat drf

Shadeforce: we need to lay low

Shadeforce: let it all pass

Shadeforce: let em think they won

Shadeforce: let em settle here

Shadeforce: and use em as a tool to feed our pvp-ers

markus.dixon: this is not answer

markus.dixon: This was answer for DRF

Shadeforce: why do u think test didn't populate querious for so long ?

markus.dixon: This is not DRF, therefore is not the answer.

Elrond: the drf didnt want to sit in space and pvp all day

Elrond: they hada grudge

Shadeforce: because they knew they would feed us

Elrond: test and co are actually desperate to entertain their people

Elrond: thats why they are here

Shadeforce: what is test ?

Elrond: got nothing to do with wanting the space

Shadeforce: i will tell you , ex drf members and butthurt ppl we killed in the past

Elrond: the goal is to entertain members daily and provide chest beating material

Elrond: no its not.

Elrond: lol

markus.dixon: Hardly

Shadeforce: ex it , ex wn , ex legion

Elrond: NC were experts in collecting exactly what you are walking about

Elrond: what is happening now...not the same at all.

Shadeforce: where did they come from then ? just magically got 10k from nothing ?

Shadeforce: while the eve pop is dropping in general

Shadeforce:

markus.dixon: The Universe took a shit

Elrond: test had a blob for a very long time

markus.dixon: and thats were 10k players came from

Elrond: there was a massive goon pet train that was formed for a long time up north

Elrond: it amalgamated into what you see now as soon as the drf fell apart

Elrond: its got nothing to do with -a-

Elrond: they came south because they needed content

Elrond: its all about content.

Shadeforce: they needed more space for those 10k

Shadeforce: but ya , same thing

Shadeforce: anyways

Shadeforce: the answer imo lies in to understanding test

Shadeforce: what happens if we deny em fights ?

Shadeforce: what happens if we harras em all day long ?

Elrond: they will generate new content

Elrond: they will piss on someone elses lawn

Shadeforce: exactly

Shadeforce: and this is where they die

Shadeforce: as said we cannot face em now

Shadeforce: with someone new on the line...

markus.dixon: They have no other entitiy to go after

markus.dixon: GSF are enjoying shooting NC.

markus.dixon: no need for help

markus.dixon: TEST are enjoying shooting us

Shadeforce: nc. will not last long

Shadeforce: as soon as they run out of tech moons they are gone from space

Shadeforce: as soons as we run out of space

Shadeforce: both entities have nothing to do

Shadeforce: maybe shoot solar

Shadeforce: who are miles away

Shadeforce: either way

Shadeforce: we also lost maka and pk

Shadeforce: as fc's

Shadeforce: and the new guys are learning at the worst time possible

Shadeforce: so ppl got bored of that even more

Shadeforce: we started to fight back with 30 ppl

Shadeforce: 3 yrs ago

Shadeforce: but we were winning on our own terms

Shadeforce: once the sov factor is gone , we got nothing to worry about

Shadeforce: they do

Shadeforce: they need to react to us , not we to them

Shadeforce: as i said i could be terribly wrong about this all

Shadeforce: but there is one thing for sure , the way we are doing it now , doesn't work

Shadeforce: ppl are not excited

Shadeforce: therefore our fleets are small and suck

Elrond: its horrible politicking

Shadeforce: yes it is

Elrond: months ago people assured others in here that they had a big master plan

Elrond: and were told to stop asking questions

Shadeforce: well anyone can fail

Elrond: its not excusable when they were warned

Elrond: and advised that they were doing it wrong.

Shadeforce: truth is , we thought we are too good

Shadeforce: test made a hell of a pr

Shadeforce: while we did nothing

Shadeforce: so the ppl that hated em , went to them

Shadeforce: ppl are sheep and they need to be led like such

Shadeforce: atm we got nothing

Shadeforce: i don't even know anymore what is going on politically wise

Shadeforce: herc is a master in that

Shadeforce: but i can take a wild guess here and say he has been away like most of us

Shadeforce: so all in all there is a lot of work to be done now

Shadeforce: things won't get magically fixed by themselves

Shadeforce: while we were idling whole summer saying : hey let's wait for the summer to end and our ppl will come back and theirs will go to school , they did a fuckload of work , while we did nothing

Shadeforce: this channel was turned in to a circus

Shadeforce: ppl talking about their new pc , new gf , new phone

Elrond: we were putting out 300 people a night for months

Shadeforce: wtf....

Elrond: and losing every major timer

Elrond: what did anyoen expect to happen

Elrond: lol

Shadeforce: we were , because ppl were motivated

Elrond: at our peak

Elrond: we were losing

Elrond: people pretended we werent

Elrond: but we werent winning

markus.dixon: Who are you?

markus.dixon: defiler?

Shadeforce: does it matter who i am

markus.dixon: (facepalm)

markus.dixon: wtf

markus.dixon: asking you like honest question.

Shadeforce: ceo of ss.e

markus.dixon: I dont know who your character is

markus.dixon: Ah ok, thnx

Shadeforce: now that u do what does that change in terms of what i said ?

Shadeforce: there's about 40 ppl in here i don't know

Shadeforce: and more are added every day

Shadeforce: once upon a time this channel had only ceo's and big fc's

Shadeforce: and we were only talking on point

Shadeforce: atm ceo's don't talk to eachother

kir_laeda: too many necromorphs here now

Shadeforce: indeed

Shadeforce: i told herc we need a new channel

mukk.barovian: I log in and people are letting a hurricane fleet camp us in

Shadeforce: simple : we need someone to lead us

Shadeforce: like pk and maka did

Shadeforce: like ivan wise once did

Shadeforce: and etc. etc.

Shadeforce: atm we don't have that someone

Shadeforce: the only thing i hear is lee chanka leading fleets

Shadeforce: which i commend him for

Shadeforce: but ppl don't wanna fly under him

Shadeforce: for obvious reasons

Shadeforce: we are utter crap atm

Shadeforce: we need to accept that and move on

Shadeforce: start working for it , not sit on our asses and wait for someone else to do it

Shadeforce: there isn't someone else , it's us

Shadeforce: nobody will recruit instead of us

Shadeforce: nobody will lead fleets instead of us

Shadeforce: and nobody will do politics instead of us

Shadeforce: and stop underestimating test

Shadeforce: that was our biggest mistake

Shadeforce: they did exactly what they had to do

Shadeforce: they general members might be common players

Shadeforce: but their leaders are good

Shadeforce: and have thought about this well

Shadeforce: the only thing we got left now is the fact that we don't care about sov and we are like a family

Shadeforce: with that , we can do anything , we just need to start working on it

Shadeforce: we lost nulli , we lost ra , we lost se , we lost fail

Shadeforce: let's not loose rol

Shadeforce: because there is no one else left

Shadeforce: i see herc is about every day , at least i get to talk to him at odd hrs

Shadeforce: that means he will come up with something in terms of politics

Shadeforce: but to do that we need to change our general behavior and start winning fights

markus.dixon: Ok, So, We have gone over all of this

markus.dixon: Herc/ozzy/maka

markus.dixon: I understand your need to talk here

markus.dixon: But this is a wall of text?

Shadeforce: don't worry i don't talk much

Shadeforce: one last question , since u say u have gone over all of this as u say ... what have you come up with ?

markus.dixon: I am on bottom of totem pole! maka/her/Ozzy are ones to speak to regarding this.

Shadeforce: so am i

Shadeforce: and i'm just saying my oppinion here , since there is nowhere else to say it

kir_laeda: we should sing together!

markus.dixon: I heard you have sexy voice Kir

kir_laeda: makes ppl closer to each other!

markus.dixon: Kum Bayah

kir_laeda: exactly!

markus.dixon: (music)

Edited 8:13:55] kir_laeda: concerning what Chagal said

kir_laeda: it's kind of circle of life in EVE offline

kir_laeda: each year - same problem

Shadeforce: this ^^

Shadeforce: problem is grunts take it like the end of the world

kir_laeda: true enough

markus.dixon: It is end of world!

markus.dixon: We are all fucked!

Shadeforce: unless we do something we are

kir_laeda: they panic which is not good for singing

Shadeforce: each year we have managed to do so far

kir_laeda: we need a hero every time

Shadeforce: indeed we do

Shadeforce: that's how -a- works

kir_laeda: who comes forward and takes everything what's need to be done

Shadeforce: we don't have 25k members and we will never have

kir_laeda: who is going to be a hero this time ?

Shadeforce: we will see soon enough imo

Shadeforce: things ain't that bad yet

markus.dixon: Kir will be Hero!

Shadeforce: for new heroes to emerge

Elrond: Kula Kain will save us

markus.dixon: YARR!

Shadeforce: russians are good at pulling out good stunts in those times

Elrond: ill ask dbrb if he'll attack test for me

Elrond: he owes me for leeroying my capital into bob years ago..twice

Shadeforce: i certainly hope herc will be the hero agian

Shadeforce: maka , pk etc.

kir_laeda: Herc is a leader and we need psyho FC with no rl %)

Mr Ozz: [3. listopada 2012. 9:19] Kir Laeda:

<<< Herc is a leader and we need psyho FC with no rl %)+1

Shadeforce: well you are psycho kir , u r also fc and afaik ur rl sucks

Shadeforce: so i vote kir for hero

kir_laeda: I am at the point of changing my life from sucks to a better one!

Elrond: I think alot of us got pretty good jobs lately

Elrond: haha

kir_laeda: with a lot of international flights...

Shadeforce: let's do drf tactic , pay fc's :P

Shadeforce: we rmt a lot of isk anyways so we should be rich enough

Shadeforce: also the good weather is almost gone

Shadeforce: so things should slightly improve soon

kir_laeda: how we earn to rmt ?

mukk.barovian: station cleared

mukk.barovian: lost a huginn killed a couple hurricanes

markus.dixon: thank you Mukk

spc...:

spc...: if you haven't seen it

Mutafakaz: lol Kob4eg in -a-

Mutafakaz: are we going to recruit skotenok to fc our supercaps?

Mutafakaz: if i see more trash red alliance corps in -a-

Mutafakaz: i quit

Mr Ozz: skotenok stays in RA and move to curse !

Mr Ozz: fck, next emo (facepalm)

if we lose sov i quit too

Mutafakaz: lol

Magnifikus: btw heads up fcs

Magnifikus: today is ganknight and they asking if we would be ready for fun ^^^^

Magnifikus: fair fight not navy apocs + triage

Mutafakaz: we have no fcs

Magnifikus: yeah maybe something for newbies

Jamus Gorrelius: They can fuck off its never a fair fight

Magnifikus: not fair fight

Magnifikus: just rape them but dont overblobb them ^^

Jamus Gorrelius: I can put a Titan at mid point for ROL nps

Torin Zece /TorinZece: http://tinyurl.com/9fmsjsc

Papula: it's not about the sov remember, it's about PVP (cool)

Mr Ozz: papula, sort this, or kick fcker

avisarfaraz: what allies do we have

avisarfaraz: some of my former bob loyalists want to join a ally

avisarfaraz: who do I direct them to?

Torin Zece /TorinZece: can they join -A-?

Torin Zece /TorinZece: (Sorry if captain obvious here)

avisarfaraz: too small

avisarfaraz: I am not of the mind we need more corps in -A-

avisarfaraz: we need to bring new blood into current corps

avisarfaraz: stronger corps, with a tighter command and control = better results

avisarfaraz: than our current confederacy eastern europe bosnia brawling greaser gang

avisarfaraz: they are good people though, 75 man corp

Torin Zece /TorinZece: BUSA could take in some, if its individuals If that is the q

ejbvanc: en garde

avisarfaraz: If they can be eaten I'll be eating em alive

avisarfaraz: simply because thats what I do.

avisarfaraz: :3

avisarfaraz: but yeah I dont care to leave good people in the cold

markus.dixon: I love it when you talk dirty.

Theng Hofses: Avi, I'll talk to them

ejbvanc: ... am i on ignore?

ejbvanc: put them in en garde

ejbvanc: won't be leaving anyone in the cold

Torin Zece /TorinZece: lol, engarde a good option to

avisarfaraz: well I will talk to em

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: 125 napoc/apoc with 50 logi

Kain Rehel [BUSA]: 220 in alliance, 120 in fleet

Harccsont: =/

Marv:

Harccsont: wtb more allies

Eleila Dostoyevskitty: world of blobcraft

Papula: enemy has like what ? 500 in fleet ?

Harccsont: give or take

Papula: yea

Papula:

Papula: we need more people

Marv: we need (a lot) more friends

Papula: truth

Harccsont: i concur

organics.....: Archiebald Hornby > unless you want me to kick the holding corp with all your sov in detorid i suggest someone gets on ts and reverses maka removing my toles

ejbvanc: This is Theng. Ozzy has director roles of TDR. if Archie really does it just have TCUs ready. Also if you need director roles in TDR. Let me know in this channel

Theng Hofses: Some director give Archie some roles on TS so that he chills out

Theng Hofses: at least until we have transfered the stations. Our corp has the stations already

ejbvanc: I enjoy having my guys being called morons

eleila.dostoyevskitty: haha

ejbvanc: and we wonder why allies are dropping left and right

eleila.dostoyevskitty: so we regrouping?

spc...: yep

eleila.dostoyevskitty: rgr

Theng Hofses: who is James Dimmick here?

xeenon: no one

Theng Hofses: kinda makes coordination a tad difficult

Theng Hofses: at least the enemy is as surprised about this move as we are

PG: so someone that is not in leadership announces these things for alliance.. nice

xeenon: yeah, don't see the point

Mutafakaz: anyway i haven't had any ships in 4-07

Theng Hofses: Maybe you

PG: I am talking about the corps in alliance that are fighting.

Mutafakaz: my corpm8s had, they are busy moving stuff atm to ge- lol

Theng Hofses: not shit, everyone is running around with the head cut off in a completely needless way just because someone can't coordinate ahead of time

Mutafakaz: no maka, no active pvp leadership

Mutafakaz: would be funny to read mail from him or herc about keeping stuff in 4-07

Theng Hofses: I better bite my tongue and say nothing

PG: same

Mutafakaz: hmm, i wonder what will happen if i post mail about moving stuff to agil

Mutafakaz: lol

Minotaur: oh cool i send a mail to my corp to move stuff to agil,thx muta lol

Mutafakaz: np

Mutafakaz: always a pleasure

Minotaur: hrhr

Jamus Gorrelius: So are we moving or not ffs, this is fucking retarded

Marv: i think many many ppl moved there shit the whole day...no way back i think

Ben 'knowonecanknow' Riexinger: so a non leadership guy sends an alliance mail saying evac 4-07 and everyone listens - would be comical when a spy does that next

CSEVO Minotor/Stefan: but the non leadership guy is one of our FCs......so

Theng Hofses: An FC can call for a fleet but not a re-deployment

Jamus Gorrelius: and FC mailed it, so its an order as far as im concerned but........

Benajmin: Elena is an FC - if he sent an alliance mail saying deploy back to ge- would you listen?

Sebastian: james is one of the few headfc's...elena is not

Benajmin: well i guess he is only fleet commander but you get my point (shitty point at that)

Jamus Gorrelius: whats done is done and ill stand by the orders

Torin Zece /TorinZece: we are reacting. Not doing.

They are calling the shots again due to lack of following command structure

Jamus Gorrelius: then take it up with herc

PK: well init is the only fleet left in 4-07

PK: i just stole one of their sbus which they are now shooting

Torin Zece /TorinZece: lol

Torin Zece /TorinZece: good man

PK: i'm going to work soon

Divine Storm: lol

PK: so form a fucking fleet and go shoot their rolh/malestroms

Benajmin: did they pop your jammer jamus or just RF it?

TF20AlchemyX (MV): RF

Benajmin: I have a few extra in GE- if you guys need a new one

PK: init supers on field

xeenon: how many?

PK: 10

xeenon: what are our timers?

xeenon: us tz or eu?

PK: PG set them

PK: i'm guessing eutz

Divine Storm: check name of this chat

xeenon: hm

xeenon: so what is the plan?

xeenon: blueballs?

Lucifer Bigpud: again, I find myself biting my tonge. I'm not going to have a tongue left at the end of today...

xeenon: i don't see any organized planning atm and don't understand what are we doing

xeenon: and i don't see any capable fc in euro

xeenon: okay, i'll stop talking

Jamus Gorrelius: no one does atm

Lucifer Bigpud: well dimmic had everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and the hounds are here to pick them off since they can't be reeled back in atm

Cobra: I normally don't even bother with these discussions, but he's is damn right

Torin Zece /TorinZece: I will wait till wiser minds then me step up.

Cobra: you can't just call a regroup like that

Cobra: and expect things to be defendable

Markus Dixon: Its a bit more complex than that Lucifer

Cobra: not to me atleast, you wave a white flag that you go home

Cobra: and the first things the barbarians do is knock on your door

Cobra: so while everyone is scrambling home we apperently expect people to put up a defence

Cobra: but that's the last I'll say about it, it won't change anything

Lucifer Bigpud: I don't think that "regroup" was intended as a white flag, but anyone who didn't think HBC spin machine wouldn't effectively make it look that way is a fool

Minotaur: the only think i say is,that its time to fake up for -A- leadership/Fcs and ceos etc.

Minotaur: wake i mean

Minotaur: arent you an EUTZ FCs cobra? and what is with Lee chanka and all the other guys...

Mutafakaz: i'd help as secondary fc, as i did last campaign but now i have full-time job

Mutafakaz: so no time :\

Cobra: I think Lee Chanka burned out, in a way I did too

PK: uhmm

PK: well diplomacy does that huh cobra

Cobra: not sure what you mean exactly with that, but I guess you're trying to be negative?

Avi: well, it does not matter if you are burned out.

Avi: It matters that you know whta has to be done.

Minotaur: wtf burnout,thats a game

Minotaur: but we need Fcs

Minotaur: maka also outburnt or what ?

Avi: well, lets get our fcs the tools they need

Avi: someone needs to talk to makachan

*** Cobra has left ***

Abinadi9: -a- coms are down??

Papula: yes

Papula: i can't connect either

Avi: so is our ts3 ddosed or what?

Mukk Barovian: -a- coms have probably been taken down by hostile actions

Abinadi9: why did cobra2k leave this channel?

Abinadi9: he doesn't run them does he?

Abinadi9: if it persists more than a few minutes

Abinadi9: or an hour or so

Abinadi9: en garde has comms

Magnifikus: (8:06:48 PM) pandemic.pleaseignore.com:

My Friends,

PHASE 2 is now in operation. Approximately half of ROL sov is in process of being dropped (some JUST dropped) all over the South over the next 12h. You will find out why, and how in due course.

Magnifikus: so rol is history?

TJ: ye

Torin Zece /TorinZece: we have contacts with ROL who can get info whats happening

Eleila Dostoyevskitty: is 4-0 station rfed?

Magnifikus: as far as i know are us corps joining hbc

Papula: their sbu's are still onlining

Papula: 1h 20min or so

Theng Hofses: Non-Russian EU ROL switched sides

TF20AlchemyX (MV): Your Infrastructure Hub and outposts in 4-07MU are vulnerable to attack, as the connections to the system's stargates have been disrupted by one or more Sovereignty Blockade Units.

Re-establish the connection(s) to the system's stargate(s) to retain sovereignty.

Jamus Gorrelius: yeah RF station

Jamus Gorrelius: time for a timer :P

Papula: ihub reinfoced

hirr-kazzell: so Total Annihilation. Sacred Templars and Skulldogs all joined HBC?

Markus Dixon: We need to fight with Slowcats

Markus Dixon: on the Jammer etc

Markus Dixon: How important is 4-07 to us?

Markus Dixon: Should we commit Suicide dreads to deal with them tomorrow?

Herc: 5 dreads and only if we see opportunity

Herc: we will lose space no matter what. the idea is to make it really hard for them

Markus Dixon: Im going to form bombers for the IHUB timer

Markus Dixon: Agreed, which is what ive been about all along

Herc: we should get chinese bombers for 1450 but i dunno

Markus Dixon: RA is available to help us

Herc: RA is hostile to us

Markus Dixon: they will send bombers if they get notice

Markus Dixon: are they working with Gypsy?

Herc: yes

Herc: spottington?

Markus Dixon: Hmm ok

Markus Dixon: yeah Spottington is my contact

Markus Dixon: I dont necessarily trust him. But...

Herc: unfortunately politics are such that RA is on the other side

spc...: C3- set to 3:00

Markus Dixon: But....they may bomb

Markus Dixon: They seem divided on their "Side" they are on

Herc: yes and we will exploit that

Markus Dixon: Spottington/Fiberton are keep on supporting our side.

Markus Dixon: but they dont speak for alliance

Markus Dixon: *keen

Herc: correct

Herc: many people will sympathize with us

Herc: not just those 2

Markus Dixon: Sympathy doesnt = more bodies to help

Markus Dixon: But it can help.

Herc: yep

Herc: it will help long-term

Herc: but short-term - they are on the other side

Markus Dixon: Ok, well. TJ and I used to bomb the living fuck out of IHUB/TCU timers

Markus Dixon: and we were pretty successful at it.

Markus Dixon: I can start doing bomber fleets

Herc: we will have timers for you

Herc: EUTZ

Markus Dixon: Someone will need to ensure Conventional fleets are done

Herc: dont worry

Markus Dixon: I am jobless

Herc: and there will be conventional fleets

Markus Dixon: I play all TZes for now.

Herc: ok

Markus Dixon: Q:

Markus Dixon: Timers on JUST stations/IHUBs

Markus Dixon: or on POS's as well?

spc...: i will also try to play in all tz's

Markus Dixon: When this is done. Can we rape and destroy whats left of INIT?

Markus Dixon: I want them fucking raped and kicked to the curb

Markus Dixon: Leave them with nothing.

spc...: i'd love to

Markus Dixon: Ill show Sister Bliss what it means to flip sides like a piece of shit he really is.

avisarfaraz: RA is never on anyone's side

avisarfaraz: RA dies this war.

Markus Dixon: maybe. Maybe not.

avisarfaraz: they will be butchered this time.

avisarfaraz: oh I wont let them get away.

avisarfaraz: death to traitors

avisarfaraz: death to anyone who betrays AAA

Markus Dixon: Agreed

avisarfaraz: we hunt them down

Markus Dixon: But we need to focus on this first

avisarfaraz: and kill them till the stupid stops breating

spc...: https://a-killed.me/...l&kll_id=434442 <-- Those were fun times

avisarfaraz: now focus on the objectives

avisarfaraz: kick the shit out of your corps

avisarfaraz: its business time

avisarfaraz: if you dont, I will do so for you.

avisarfaraz: I expect you to do the same to mine

avisarfaraz: lets teamwork and fucking massacre them all

Markus Dixon: To Quote myself:

Markus Dixon: ?[ 2012.10.03 04:34:48 ] Markus Dixon > Im going to skullfuck you

Markus Dixon > and then im going to find you

Markus Dixon > and shit on your fucking hole you call a Skull

avisarfaraz: yes

Markus Dixon:

avisarfaraz: all of that

avisarfaraz: in space

avisarfaraz: with lasers

Markus Dixon: IN SPACE

spc...: when does 4-0 come out of rf ?

Herc: 1450 ihub

spc...: and station ?

Herc: 2012-10-11 11:21:04 1d 8h 59m Outpost Shield 4-07MU 5

spc...: ok

spc...: i am going to bed it's 4:28 am here

see ya at 14:50

spc...: good night

Markus Dixon: Sleeptight

Markus Dixon: Q: