View Full Version : did Nazis really cry about American using .45's in WWII ?

Clayface When the guy at the store was trying to sell me on what caliber to get he told me " dude if the 1911's made nazis go crying back to the Geneva convetion then that is good enough for me and that's why I own one over the .45"



This is just a quick question, I tried googling it and couldn't get a straight answer on weither or not nazis/germans did take it up with the geneva convetion on americans being armed with a .45 side arm instead of a 9mm.



Is it true?

bohoki nope the snazis weren't a bunch of whiners

they took it like a man besides wouldnt they have no standing since it was being used since the great war

and the brits even had one higher the .455 revolver

goober crap.

SimpleCountryActuary It's a load of Manure. The M1911 was first a sidearm in WWI. ..19...11..



The Germans did complain in WWI about the trench gun (shotgun), but got nowhere except a warning that if they executed any of our guys for using one we'd get them good.

dustoff31 nope the snazis weren't a bunch of whiners

they took it like a man besides wouldnt they have no standing since it was being used since the great war

and the brits even had one higher the .455 revolver



^ This.



Sounds like a sterotypical gunstore employee's story to me.

joepamjohn They also cried about the use of shotguns in WW1. Right after they sent over mustard gas.

Nodda Duma Why would the Nazis they cry about the .45 during WW2 when they faced it during WW1? In any case, the Geneva Convention governs the treatment of war victims (prisoners, etc.). The Hague Convention would be the series of treaties they would be complaining against.



History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?



-Jason

Black Majik Of course they did! Where else did the legendary .45 ACP stories come from? Nazis were scared ****less when they saw their comrades fly 4 feet back after getting shot in the foot by a 1911-A1.

freakshow10mm Nazis were scared ****less when they saw their comrades fly 4 feet back after getting shot in the foot by a 1911-A1.

***Shakes head***:rolleyes:

Matt C Why would the Nazis they cry about the .45 during WW2 when they faced it during WW1? In any case, the Geneva Convention governs the treatment of war victims (prisoners, etc.). The Hague Convention would be the series of treaties they would be complaining against.



History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?



-Jason



Hot air balloon based weaponry?

locosway Some of the 1911 guys will believe anything they hear...



Now, with that said.. I have a .45 because I heard it works on vampires. We all know those damn vampires are hard to kill, and those 9's just don't cut it...

Jerkdog History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?



-Jason



Mustard gas FTW.

Matt C Mustard gas FTW.



Wasn't used until almost 20 years first Hague Convention.

bigstick61 Total BS. First off, as others have mentioned, it would have been the Hague Convention they would have approached. Secondly, they never protested and in fact they used the 1911 themselves, using the Norwegian produced version, and later captured American ones as well; you can find 1911s with Nazi markings.

Dangerous nope the snazis weren't a bunch of whiners

they took it like a man besides wouldnt they have no standing since it was being used since the great war

and the brits even had one higher the .455 revolver



and 1911s were made in .455 for some time... thats a LOT of heat!

SJgunguy24 Who cares what the Nazi's thought about the 45. I think the jews should've been able to have a bit of fun with the Nazi leadership after the war was won.

How would they like some of the "experiments" performed on them? Screw the Nazi's if they cried so what, won't be as much to splatter when that 45 cracks their skull.

Jason762 History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?



Hollow points?

CSACANNONEER Why would the Nazis they cry about the .45 during WW2 when they faced it during WW1? In any case, the Geneva Convention governs the treatment of war victims (prisoners, etc.). The Hague Convention would be the series of treaties they would be complaining against.



History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?



-Jason



Huh? I did not know that Nazis faced .45s in WWI. As a matter of fact, I don't think the Nazi party even existed during WWI. So, they could not have faced anything.

M. Sage When the guy at the store was trying to sell me on what caliber to get he told me " dude if the 1911's made nazis go crying back to the Geneva convetion then that is good enough for me and that's why I own one over the .45"



This is just a quick question, I tried googling it and couldn't get a straight answer on weither or not nazis/germans did take it up with the geneva convetion on americans being armed with a .45 side arm instead of a 9mm.



Is it true?



The Germans cried about shotguns in WWI. That guy is historically-challenged.

Peter W Bush Hollow points?

Ya. And bomb being dropped from the air.

Jerkdog According to Wikipedia, it sounds like it was really three items: Launching of Projectiles and Explosives from Balloons, Use of Projectiles the Object of Which is the Diffusion of Asphyxiating or Deleterious Gases, and Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_%281899_and_1907%29



ETA: I had always thought that mustard gas was used to suffocate victims...but it sounds like it was more of a blister agent (chemical burns to skin and eyes) and an "area denial" weapon. Hmm, learn something new everyday.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_mustard

hawk81 BS.

audihenry Utter BS. This is the kind of stuff they were playing around with:



http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg42_02.jpg

paratroop yeah, when you consider 30-06, 8mm mauser , 7.62x54r, and303 british were all killing folks, why would anyone whine about a .45?

bridgeport My understanding is the Krauts didn't like our 12 gauge trench broom, Nor the

1918 BAR, Nor our extra super accurate long range sharpshooting country boys with those slick '03's

Greg-Dawg He was sharing some old war stories...and the gun sales dude was 18 years old right?



Do a google search on "Moro .38 special".

Decoligny Of course they did! Where else did the legendary .45 ACP stories come from? Nazis were scared ****less when they saw their comrades fly 4 feet back and explode after getting shot in the foot by a 1911-A1.



Fixed that for ya! :D

Decoligny Some of the 1911 guys will believe anything they hear...



Now, with that said.. I have a .45 because I heard it works on vampires. We all know those damn vampires are hard to kill, and those 9's just don't cut it...



I just stuff the tips of my 9mm hollowpoints with a paste made from holy water and garlic. :rolleyes:

Unit74 Hot air balloon based weaponry?



Barbara Boxer you say? :chris:

Gryff When the guy at the store was trying to sell me on what caliber to get he told me " dude if the 1911's made nazis go crying back to the Geneva convetion then that is good enough for me and that's why I own one over the .45"



This is just a quick question, I tried googling it and couldn't get a straight answer on weither or not nazis/germans did take it up with the geneva convetion on americans being armed with a .45 side arm instead of a 9mm.



The Wermacht wasn't a group that would sit around and whine about the enemy. They usually just tried to figure out an alternate way to kick your ***.

locosway The .45 was used in two guns in WWII. The 1911 and the Thompson. Neither of these weapons were standard issue. Mostly these two items were issued for guard duty or special assignments. Many soldiers didn't even have a sidearm in which they could use.



So, I don't see how the .45 could have even had an effect on anything related to WWII or the Germans. The round was available for anyone to use for years before the war. The Germans could have chambered their weapons in .45, but they chose not to.

Saigon1965 And the tales grow larger -

yellowfin The socialists in the US today whine and complain about us carrying 1911's and anything else in .45. That much we know for a fact.

taloft If someone shot me with a 1911 I'd cry too, until I bled out.:43:

luckystrike no but they *****ed about shotguns in WW1.

guys still used them anyway cause the the germans used mustard gas.

Army The .45 was used in two guns in WWII. The 1911 and the Thompson. Neither of these weapons were standard issue.

Most definitely standard issue, along with the :



1911

1911A1

M1 Thompson SMG

M3 "grease gun" SMG



Non-standard were:

Riesling SMG

Liberator single shot pistol



Also:

The "Kongsberg", Norwegian copy (Germany continued production)

The Polish Radom (Germany continued production)

Chinese copies of the 1911, M3, Thompson, and Mauser Broomhandle all in .45ACP

Sampachi Why would the Nazi's complain about the .45 when they were supervising production of them in Norway?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongsberg_Colt



Damn... someone beat me to it.

The M50 Reising was issued... to the Marines.

locosway Most definitely standard issue, along with the :



1911

1911A1

M1 Thompson SMG

M3 "grease gun" SMG





This is coming from a WWII veteran who was in the Pacific theater. He said no sidearms were issued unless it was to an officer. He was issued a sidearm because he was the captains orderly. Thompsons and M3's were also not issued en-mass, only for special duties such as guard.



Now, maybe the European theater was different.

Army Most troops and Soldiers have an understandably limited knowledge of the greater battlefield, only focusing on their immediate theater.



Obviously, this is no Marine guard on special duty:



http://www.ww2gyrene.org/assets/weapons_thompson5.jpg

locosway Most troops and Soldiers have an understandably limited knowledge of the greater battlefield, only focusing on their immediate theater.



Obviously, this is no Marine guard on special duty:



http://www.ww2gyrene.org/assets/weapons_thompson5.jpg



I'm not sure what that soldiers mission or rank is.



I'm not saying that from his experience he can know everything about the war. Obviously not. However, he was there, he did experience it, and he has studied it extensively since then. From what he saw, it was mostly M1's and BAR's, and Grenades.

sierrawoodsman .45 sub guns were more common in the pacific than they were in europe. Lots of marines had em'. Also 1917 revolvers were still in use too.

SimpleCountryActuary All this reminds me that I need a trench gun for ... something. :rolleyes:

Plisk They whined even more about 12 gauge, saying it was inhumane. Hence why ETO guys didn't carry Trenchys and they were only used ETO as guard duty weapons.

Seesm I am gonna go with NO...

battleship Wow! Germans actually shed tears, so your saying thay have emotions.

locosway Wow! Germans actually shed tears, so your saying thay have emotions.



Being of German descent, I guess you mean Nazi's, not Germans, as that is a broad term.

Lead Lobber In a word, no. Each round has it's good points, and each it's bad. Holes in the human body are what counts. Who puts them where first, and if you missed, you may be dead. Aside from that, our soldiers rely on rifle rounds, not the pistols rounds discussed here.



The question, you wonder? It was stupid to begin with. Let's get out our there and kill any religious extremists that fail to comply to our views. With rifles, not stinking little pistols.



This is what we taught all these worlds that are waring around us ...

smle-man The .45 was used in two guns in WWII. The 1911 and the Thompson. Neither of these weapons were standard issue. Mostly these two items were issued for guard duty or special assignments. Many soldiers didn't even have a sidearm in which they could use.



So, I don't see how the .45 could have even had an effect on anything related to WWII or the Germans. The round was available for anyone to use for years before the war. The Germans could have chambered their weapons in .45, but they chose not to.



Not that the Germans complained about the 1911 series but in fact the Germans used the Norwegian 1914 once they took over Norway, so they did have a weapon that used .45 auto ammo. Anyway many GIs were issued 1911A1s: machine gunners, tankers, some crew served weapons crewmen, officers, etc. Interestingly the U.S. Army and the German Army had the highest number of handguns authorized by TOE in the combatants in WW2. The Thompson and the 1911A1 were most definitely standard issue arms and were issued on a wide scale. Squad leaders frequently were issued sub machine guns, either the Thompson or the M3.

bruce381 ""History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?""



Dum Dum Bullets?

M. Sage My understanding is the Krauts didn't like our 12 gauge trench broom, Nor the

1918 BAR, Nor our extra super accurate long range sharpshooting country boys with those slick '03's



The M1918 was woefully out of date by the time WWII rolled around. It's a shame it didn't see action in WWII (when it was state of the art), but someone decided it was too good to risk the Germans capturing it. :rolleyes:



no but they *****ed about shotguns in WW1.

guys still used them anyway cause the the germans used mustard gas.



They whined even more about 12 gauge, saying it was inhumane. Hence why ETO guys didn't carry Trenchys and they were only used ETO as guard duty weapons.



Ok.... The straight facts The Germans launched a complaint against us for fielding 12 gauge shotguns, but that was during WWI. By the time WWII came around, the type of warfare we were seeing didn't put the shotgun at an advantage in enough situations to really issue it in numbers. An SMG was a far better choice in most cases where a rifle wasn't the right one.



We did not continue to field shotguns in WWI "because the Germans used mustard gas". We continued to field them because the complaint was not upheld in the Hague - our buckshot was copper plated and therefore would not easily flatten inside the human body. It wasn't the shotgun that was considered inhumane - it was the buckshot. As most buckshot is un-plated lead, they filed a complaint that we were using the equivalent of Dum Dums.

locosway Not that the Germans complained about the 1911 series but in fact the Germans used the Norwegian 1914 once they took over Norway, so they did have a weapon that used .45 auto ammo. Anyway many GIs were issued 1911A1s: machine gunners, tankers, some crew served weapons crewmen, officers, etc. Interestingly the U.S. Army and the German Army had the highest number of handguns authorized by TOE in the combatants in WW2. The Thompson and the 1911A1 were most definitely standard issue arms and were issued on a wide scale. Squad leaders frequently were issued sub machine guns, either the Thompson or the M3.



Maybe it matters which branch issued them. Could it be the Army issued sidearms to more people than the Marines?

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