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LLOYD...or these kids throwing a ball back and forth and he just sits there and says, "I can't believe I'm in a world like this. I've got to keep noticing these things." But then he -- but then he says this, and I think this is the spiritual power of the book, "It has seemed to me sometimes as though the Lord breathes on this poor gray ember of creation and it turns to radiance for a moment or a year or the span of a life and then it sinks back into itself and to look at it -- and to look at it, no one would know it had anything to do with fire or light.