ROSEN: I don't think the people interviewing Kellyanne Conway know why they are doing that. Meaning that the journalistic logic of it is growing dimmer with every interview.

KAFKA: ’Cause the journalistic logic is, "We've heard from one side, let's ask the other."

ROSEN: Yes. And also, Peter, the logic is, this is a representative of the president. This is somebody who can speak for the Trump administration. But if we find that what Kellyanne Conway says is routinely or easily contradicted by Donald Trump, then that rationale disappears. Another reason to interview Kellyanne Conway is, our viewers want to understand how the Trump world thinks. But if the end result of an interview with her is more confusion about what the Trump world thinks, then that rationale evaporates.

KAFKA: So it's not the lying? It's the inconsistencies?

ROSEN: No, it's not just lying or spin or somebody who is skilled in the political arts of putting the best case on things or not answering a question, which is a pretty basic method of doing politics. It's that when you are done listening to Kellyanne Conway, you probably understand less. That's a problem.