Okay, my name is Van. I'm thirty years old. And I'm from Japan, Japanese. Why did you come to Hollywood? Uh, was going to be a movie star, you know, with modeling and uh, acting. And uh, you know, after a hundred or two auditions and small parts, you know, I decided, you know, I had enough and uh, just stopped doing that and uh, um, I started out doing massages, advertising in papers and then um, then I get into escort work. And, and it just somehow, you know, the clients, the clientele I'm (stammers) I was getting, requested a lot of um, fetishes, so, I just decided to go um, you know, full master and change my whole entire house into a dungeon and uh, so that's what I'm doing right now. I'm dungeon master with a full dungeonin my house and uh, it's going really well. Did you decided to do to specify in that particular area mainly because you felt that would be the most lucrative financially? No. If I want to be, you know, I want to do something lucratious financially, I would get into computer science or uh, it just, if I see a guy walking down the street with a tattoo or some leather on, it's all, it's like, it just draw attention to me and I can't stop looking at them. Um, and uh, that's just, uh, even if I try to look away, it just, it just is, attraction. I can't explain it, it's chemistry. So, I think uh, I don't know, I can't explain it. And uh, it's all that interests me. What about being a master? Did that always interest you? Uh, yeah, because I'm a control freak. I was in relationship um, a couple of them, and I was told that I was a control freak. You know, I was bossing people around, so I think it's my nature and just natural that I, you know, I'm a master and I don't, I don't enjoy getting tied up or, or uh, being a bottom, so, um, I guess, you know, it's part of my personality. Okay. Um, you just, lost my train of thought. Um. Um, so how much money do people pay you and what do you, what do they get for it? Oh, it's depend. Um-- Give me some examples. Well, if you have my sessions, my uh, um, the bottom line is $150 per hour, um, that's just for a regular guy, you know, just a regular office guy and uh, and, you know, I have the Hollywood Hills type, I pay $300 an hour and um, and then, you know, the fifty percent for additional half an hour increments. You know, how long the session takes. And it depends on what they like to do. You know? Um, they, you know, until like gold shower or um, uh, shower shock in the shower, you know, stuff like that, extra stuff I charge more. Um, but basically the bondage stuff and the whipping uh, yeah, it just, somewhere between $150 to $300 an hour. Um, it's kind of weird, because you're playing the master, but you actually do what they want you to do. Well, the thing is, they have to tell me ahead of time and um, once they step through my door, um, then, you know, I'm the master, but uh, actually, you're right, they were, they're the master when they call me up and hire me. And uh, you know, make all these requests, but they're not allowed to make requests once they're in my dungeon. Because they're there for uh, one hundred percent total submission. And uh, some of them would test me, you know, like uh, you know, ask them uh, to answer me, you know, and they wouldn't, and I just beat the shit out of them, because uh, they just want to test to see how tough I am. But uh, yeah, but in my dungeon, I'm the master. You know, the time you're with me, you know, it's one hundred percent submission, total submission. Um, so and there's no getting out. (stammers) I, well, if it's getting out of hand and uh, they want to stop, then they can just tell me the safe word and I'll stop. I'll give them time to recover but uh, um, that's it. What is the safe word? It depends um, you know, my, mine is mercy, you know, it's not very original, but, but uh, they can have their own, you know. Do you um, do you let them, what do they get to do to you? Um, they can make requests at the beginning of the session, you know, they want to like suck my cock or lick my ass, or just muscle worship, you know, just to put oil on my body. Um, but uh, you know, that's about it. Um, I don't reciprocate um, any of that,because I'm the master. And I think um, just sucking someone's cock, that's pretty much in a submission area and I don't do that. Do you ever fuck them? Yeah. Yeah, I do, I get off on that, too. I get all my aggression out on that. How often do you end the session by coming? About twenty percent. Can you pretend, pretend (words - mumbled) tell me that again and incorporate my question into your answer. How often do you come in your sessions? Oh, I um, they never ask me to come uh, in my sessions, it's up to me, it depends on if I really get into the session. I get really horny, then I'll come, uh, (stammers) it doesn't, the guy doesn't have to be, you know, like, you know, gorgeous, or young, enough to turn me on. It's just something about the guy. He could be older. He could be a little bit fat. But uh, just something about him, just that really gets me horny and then I would come, but that's about twenty percent of the time, you know, and uh, I don't, you know, if they call me ahead of time and say that you have to, you know, you have to blow your wad, at the end of the session. I say, you know, no, no, you know, I don't have to do anything I don't want to, you know, I'm my own boss and I'm getting, you know, so many calls for this. You know, I, I make the rules. How much money a week do you make? (Laughs) Oh, I can make a lot more, but I'm lazy. Um, I can, I can do a session, average actually a session a night, but um, but I can do at least three a day if I want to. But I get lazy and it's really, it's uh, it's not as much physically demanding, but it's psychology demanding for me. It's exhausting afterwards. Uh, I think for the both of us. Um, (stammers) but, you know, I'm a simple guy. I don't need much to live on. So, I don't need that much, you know, I don't need to drive a BMW. Uh, so one session a day is a enough for me, but, you know, if I feel really, you know, um, I don't know, if I feel like working, I can take up three easily, you know. And usually, one during the day with someone, you know, on their lunch break, and want to run over real quick for forty five minutes or an hour, you know, I can always count on that on the lunch break. And then in the evening, like later on, around eleven, people get the urges and they call me. And that's about it, you know, I'm pretty much, pretty much easy going, you know. Do you think that um, what do you think about Hollywood and do you think that Hollywood breeds um, a certain kind of guy that gives you a lot of business? I (stammers) I think I would do well anywhere, you know, in the mid west, I don't think it has anything to do with Hollywood. Um, you know, people out there doing the nine to five and living in their own little boxes, you know, and they just need to get away from that and uh,you know, if you have a stressful job, a stressful life, and uh, you just want to, just escape for a while, you know, live in your own fantasy for one hour, you know, doesn't matter where you are. So, I can do well anywhere. Are there ever any guys who walk in the door that are so hot that in a way you'd rather be, you them be the master? Truthfully, I do, but usually those huge body builder type (laughs) and I'm dating a couple right now, you know, like these steroid out, huge body builders and they're bottoms, you know, they love to get fucked. So, um, I haven't met one yet that, you know, it's something in their personality that makes me want, you know, to be a, a slave to them, a bottom to them. Um, they just love that ass play, so uh, I haven't really met one. I met a regular guy, but, you know, I think you have be both. I think you have to be incredible and uh, and you have that, you know, that, that masculinity that, that attracts me and I haven't ran into that. I'm rambling on (laughs). Do you ever have any sexual relationships that are outside of the whole S&M; arena? Um, what do you mean, like uh, like in a relationship, a boyfriend relationship? Yeah, I had one for three years. Um, and he's, you know, he's uh, he makes porn movies, so, I think, you know, guys like me, we can only, you know, date or uh, have boyfriends who are in the same kind of business, otherwise, it's not fair for the other person. Um. What's the weirdest thing anybody's ever asked you to do? Gosh. I'm really open minded. You know, I, I, can, nothing, I, the requests, um, I don't get freaked out by it, but, um, scat kind of freaked me out. But, you know, like uh, but, you know, I have a price for everything. But scat is my limit in my dungeon, you know, it's like, I'm not really into scat. You know, it's like when, scat is when, it's shit, that's what it is and um, if somebody wants me to take a, you know, take a dump on them, or something like that, you know, you know, it's like, no, no, but you know, $2,000. You know, (laughs) tell me where. But uh, that's, that's my limit, right there, but I've seen it all. You know. But nothing really freaks me out, really, I'm pretty much. Do you have people who want to be fist fucked? Oh, yeah. I like that. Can you tell me a little bit about that. Is there, is there a way that, how much does it cost, what do you do, describe that for me. Fisting is three hundred bucks and uh, usually the guy's pretty much high on pop or, to get, really get relaxed, to get, you know, and I have this long, latex glove that goes all the way up to my armpit and uh, then I put on um, a surgical latex glove, just up to my wrist. And just lube it up and uh, it's a long process, you know, to get your whole arm up there. But uh, it's an intense feeling for the other person. I think for myself too, it's, um, you're going places that uh, even though it's physical with your hand, but for some reason it's, it's also more emotional. It's more psychological too and we both get, you know, reach the same place, it's really strange, at the same time. Um, and I found session like that, I get really exhausted at the end. Um, how, (stammers) tell me more about it, what do you mean by uh, why does it take so long, for example, and can someone be high on poppers during that whole time? Yeah. Isn't that kind of dangerous? They're used to it, they have to be, otherwise, they can't relax enough to, you know, um, (stammers) well, this is my experience, I don't know, if, you know, um, some other guys probably can do it without the poppers, but, the ones that came to me, usually, you know, they need the poppers, you know, dump it in the socks. You know, stuff it in the face and then just stay there the whole time. Um, and it takes a while to loosen up, and you just don't reach in there (laughs) you take your time, you know, you ease yourself into it. And they, they want you to, they want that tease, they, you know, they want you, they don't want you to just reach in there and, you know, just move your hands around. They want, you know, they want that tease, like, no, I'm not going to reach my arm in there, tonight, today,you know, I'm just going to play with your ass hole and then they'll be begging me, begging me, and it's just, (stammers) it's a whole psychological game. You know, and I will tell them no, I just, I don't feel like maybe three fingers for you today. You know, because I'm, I'm not really in the mood and they'll beg me and I'll just tease them for like maybe ten minutes and uh, just work myself in, you know, um, they love, you know, they love, uh, prostate massage, you know, usually I touch that and they will just blow their wads, so. Do you ever, um, do you ever get nervous that you're going to hurt them or you're going to, what, what uh, what might come out when you pull your hand out? Well, (laughs) with the guys, my, my slaves, they're people who are into fist fucking, they're pros by now. If they can handle, you know, this much up their ass, they've been doing it for years and they know how to clean out their ass really well. So, I have never ran into a problem where you know, accidents or anything like that. Um, and as far as hurting them, it's, you know, I can, I can ease in, and I can, I can feel their limit, you know, and it's not like right away. I, it'll take me 15 minutes and I can tell, I can tell whether I can go further or not. Um, you know, you, you kind of develop that skill (laughs) with experience, so, um, you know, of course, you reach in there and, you know, try to, really fast, you can, you can uh, do harm, but, you know, you just take it slow. And, you know, it's pretty safe, it's very safe. Did you ever think this was what you'd do when you grow up? Um, you know, strangely enough, I always loved sex. Even when I was like a little kid. So, um, um, you have to love sex and uh, it's just like um, I don't know, I, in the back of my mind, I, I, I think I do, you know, I have dreams about being in movies and making porn movies and, you know, when I, when I, when I was a teenager and,you know, saw, remember back in the olden days when you go to the theater and they used to play that in the, on the huge movie screen, uh, it's like, oh, I want to do that. That's what I want to do. Um, you know, that's, that's in my heart, but uh, but then, you know, for everybody else, you know, (stammers) uh, I want to be an architect, you know, so, like I have to go to college and be an architect, just for, you know, just to keep up with the Joneses down the street. But, deep down, you know, I just want, you have to love sex, and I always, you know, I can never get enough sex. So, it's perfect for me. Do your parents know what you do? No. Uh hum. But uh, if they, if they find out, it's no big deal, because uh, Dad is uh, is a biker, (laughs) um, and uh, my, you know, they're hippies, so um, they're pretty much open minded. Um, you know, we used to go around nude beaches together, you know, and be nude in front of each other. So, it's no big deal. So why haven't you told them? Um, they never, I don't know, if they asked me I would tell them. It's just something I don't, you know, like come running home to mom and dad and, say, hey, mom and dad, I just, you know, I'm a dungeon master, I beat the shit out of people for a living, you know? I just, I don't. What do they think you do? (Laughs) Oh, they (stammers) they think I'm a waiter in Hollywood, trying to uh, trying to make it big as a, as a movie actor. Um,but maybe now, they know (laughs). Hi, there. They could. Yeah. Um, okay. (Pause) So how long do you think you'll do this? Well, dungeon masters, they can do it for a long time. You know, you can be in mid forties and can still do really well. I have fifteen years, (laughs). So, I really don't worry too much about it. By then, you know, I can, I can buy a house. You know, um, find me a little slave and we just move into the country somewhere, I guess, but uh, it's a long time from now. Are there lots of dungeon masters in Los Angeles? How many would you say there are? How big is the scene? How many clients do you have? Um, we have this, this meeting like once a month, or once every two months, and uh, this guy up in the Hollywood Hills, he has this incredible dungeon, um, it's amazing and we would go there for dinner and um, and usually there was ten dungeon masters, you know, professional and we would sit around having dinner in his dungeon, a formal dinner, you know, in leather and we would have slaves serving us uh, and usually those slaves are just escorts uh, from the magazine and you know, we hire them for an evening to service dinner and maybe we'll play around with them afterwards. Um, how many clients do I have? I don't want uh, I don't want to think too much about that, because if I try to figure out the actual number, uh, it's not going to be enough and I would freak out and I'll say, oh, maybe I should work more or if I, the numbers too large and, it's like, oh, my god, I have, you know, I have too many, too many. I don't want to take any more. So, I, I don't think about the client base uh, I just don't want to think about that. I'm not a business man. I'm you know, (laughs). You're not a business man, if you're not a business man, what are you? I'm an artist, sadly, I'm a performance artist. And um, I'm hired to um, for people to fulfill their fantasies, their deep dark fantasies. Um, but you know, these sessions, they don't all have to really involved. Some guy just want to put on leather, you know, a costumes for them, and, you know, they'll get off on that. You know, no pain involved and that's all right with me too, you know, uh, and then there's some, you know, like uh, some corporate bankers want to have, you know, welts on their back for three weeks, you know, they want scars back there, they want to, you know, they want to touch it at the office, you know, when they're really stressed out and they just want to get away from the reality,they'll reach back there and just touch, touch the, the pain, that Van just gave them, maybe a week ago. And just, escape for a little bit. Um, so, you know, all different type of clients. What's the most harm you've ever done to someone physically? Um, I broke my bamboo stick on this guy's back (laughs) um, and uh, he refused to say the password, uh, the safe word, and I just got really pissed off and I start kicking the shit out of him, because he think that um, you know, he try and test my strength and uh, and that really makes me angry. And until, he almost passed out before, you know, he said, uh, green, that was his password. He said, green. And I stopped. Um, and he, he got pretty, you know, he got pretty, I have a bad temper. You know, I'm a really nice guy, you know, but uh, easy going, but I also, there sides of me that I have a really bad temper. And, you know, you don't fuck with me, especially when I'm in the dungeon. Because, you know,you're a slave, you're a nothing, you're nobody. You know, your, your purpose in life at that moment in point, is, is, to try to get my love, my appreciation, but don't test me in my dungeon, because I get pissed off and I can go off on him. Um, so that's what happened to that guy, um, but that's what he wanted. You know, so therefore, it's,um, you know, it's not like uh, it's not like it's my fault. He wanted that. He wanted me to beat the shit out of him. You know? And it's a safe environment to do to, because you can't go out in the street and start a fight because they could kill you there, you know, they can pull out a gun and blow your brain out. But in my dungeon, it's safe, because, you know, to a point, you can stop any time. So. Uh, have you ever had any celebrities or entertainment people, you don't have to tell me who they are? Oh, okay, I do. Producers or actors. And writers, a lot of writers. Yes. Q All of them. V Uh, well, this one um, director, he's very famous. And uh, he's uh, he's supposed to be really straight and he's really obnoxious. Like when I see him on TV, uh, interviews and stuff and he's kind of like, you know, be overly straight and overly obnoxious. And when he show up at my door, he's like this little pussy, you know, this little queenie pussy, and I just can't wait to get him into my dungeon, because I'll just beat the shit out of him, because I just want to take him out, because he really pisses me off to see him, you know, on TV, acting like that. You, like ET, you know, Entertainment Tonight. You know, with his cigar and, you know, really, very Sunset type kind of guy, you know, um, but uh, yeah, they get really nervous when they see me in public. Um, especially at the movies. You know, I got to the Mann's Chinese Theater to watch movies sometimes and I see them and they get really nervous. So, I just like to, just mess with them a little bit. You know, like I'll stand near them, but won't say anything. You know, that's the policy of mine, I don't, I don't approach my clients in public. You know, I don't acknowledge them. It's up to them to come up to me, if they want to, you know, say Hi, or um, then I'll be, but, then I'll be friendly to them, but, you know, I'm just a total stranger, you know, in public. And they know that ahead of time, if I know them famous, I'll, I'll tell them that. I say, you know, uh, you don't have to worry about, about it. You know, I'll just leave you alone. If you want to say Hi to me, then you can. You know, and I'll acknowledge you. I have no problem, even (stammers) even if I'm with friends. But um, you know, I, that's, uh, (laughs) I don't feel very comfortable talking about that, about this subject. So. My name is Van, I'm your dungeon master, number ninety. Well, this is my favorite whip, that's why, that's why I brought it. Um, made out of bicycle tubing, bicycle tires. I just like the sound it makes on the flesh, on my own flesh. It's a very heavy thud that I like. Do people beg you for different to, for you to use different instruments on them? Not while they're in my uh, dungeon. Uh, I, you know, they would tell me that ahead of time. But uh, most of the time they're gaged anyway, so they can't say anything um, (laughs) so. Do you talk to them when you're done? Uh, like, for example, like what? Like when you're done, do you say, that was kind of great, want a cup of coffee? No, no. Um, usually they thank me for the session and uh, I'll give them maybe ten minutes to recover and, you know, they want to take a shower, especially during the day when they have to get back to work. Then uh, they'll take a shower, a quick shower, and then they get out. But I don't socialize too much, like, you know, small conversations, I don't do that too much with my slaves. Uh, you know, I'm not interested in, you know, their life stories and I don't think they're interested in mine either. What's in your dungeon? My dungeon? Um, well, there's three rooms. One is for Japanese torture rock garden. Has a huge rock boulder in the middle of it. And uh, they can get torture in the middle of the room, it's very minimal. And uh, there's a Chinese room, it's uh, like an opium den, um, everything is red and uh, I do some uh, bondage stuff in there and then uh, my main dungeon, is uh, is the uh, the lab, I call it the lab, because it's all white. And uh, mirrors everywhere. Um, (laughs) a toilet. Um, you know people love to like the toilet so. I have a toilet with uh, with chrome,chrome parts and a glass lid. Very high class, very, very Beverly Hills. And uh, they love to pee in that or lick, well, usually I pee in it and, and they get off on watching me pee in it, they love to lick the toilet and uh, I have a stirrup chair (laughs) um, you know if you want to get rectal examination, you have to get in a stirrup chair. That's the only way to do it. Um, and uh, oh, I do video tape my clients if they, they want to. Because I sell it, um, so I have, you know, a couple of digital cameras set up. And they get off on watching them on TV, you know, doing the session, and some times I get pissed off, you know, and I whip them harder and say, you know, look at me, and stuff, look at the fucking TV. But um, I do video tape them, so a lot of camera equipment is in there. But they uh, (laughs) the famous people don't like that too much, so I have to drag it all out when they come over, because the minute they see a camera, they freak out. But um, the local exhibitionists, they just love that camera. So, um, that's about, yeah, it's, it's the lab. Everything's white, white floor, white walls, white on white. And uh, that's, you know, you feel, like it's either hell or heaven, you can't tell. You can't tell if you're in hell or you're in heaven, when you're in my space. You know? It can be either both, either or both. ALONE ON CAMERA: Oh, it's um, it's kind of relief actually after this interview. I feel like uh, even though I have a mask on, I feel kind of naked. Um, but it's a big relief because I feel like my friends and my family can, at least, um, you know, if they find out, they, you know, it's, it's okay, now. I don't feel like I have to hide it from them anymore (laughs) but, it's funny, I feel that way, but I still have a mask on. So, I can't explain that. Uh, I'm a visual kind of person. So, um, you know, I give performance art and very visual oriented. And, I've never thought about um, you know, I never intellectualized about my career, you know, what I do as a dungeon master. I don't, I don't even think about it. Uh, until now, you know, this interview kind of make me think about it, and, you know, I had to answer some questions and, um, I don't know, I feel kind of um, naked. Because I'm looking at myself for the first time, I think. Well, not myself, but this aspect of my life for the first time. And uh, it's been, gosh, three to five years already. I never thought about it. Um. Kind of sad, I think, I feel kind of sad right now. I don't know why. Um, huh. (Pause) You know, it's interesting to think, you know, like questions like um, why I want to be a dungeon master. I'm surprised, now I'm curious to find out, you know, like why do people want to come to me and get, you know, they, why they want, why do they want to get beat up? Uh. Uh. (laughs) Yeah, I don't think too much about it. (Pause) Having second thoughts now, because I don't know how far this is going to go, I mean, is this going to come back and bite me in the ass sometime? But, you know, that's how I do, you know, that's how I handle my life. I just, just take things one day at a time, really don't think too much about it. There's no big plan or anything. You know, if it turns out good, then it's fine. If it's shitty then, you know, it's a life lesson, you know, you move on. So, I don't where this interview is going to go. Uh, I don't give a shit. (Pause) But um, you're curious, come see my web, (stammers) my web site,