imre Profile Blog Joined November 2011 France 9126 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-09 14:48:33 #201 On July 09 2014 23:46 duckk wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Sigh, all-kill formats really are terrible



get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz) get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz)



I personally like KOTH style leagues better (NGL in wc3 was amazing). If you are unable to race+map pick kill a teams player then that is your own teams fault not a format issue. I personally like KOTH style leagues better (NGL in wc3 was amazing). If you are unable to race+map pick kill a teams player then that is your own teams fault not a format issue.



the skill discrepancy in teams is so huge that it's pointless. Inno and Taeja are so far above everyone else that it's 100% stupid, hell inno is 33-4.

you're getting dunked because you've a balanced team even if you've pretty good players (Axiom eg) the skill discrepancy in teams is so huge that it's pointless. Inno and Taeja are so far above everyone else that it's 100% stupid, hell inno is 33-4.you're getting dunked because you've a balanced team even if you've pretty good players (Axiom eg) Zest fanboy.

klup Profile Joined May 2013 France 600 Posts #202 On July 09 2014 23:45 sAsImre wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:41 sAsImre wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Sigh, all-kill formats really are terrible



get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz) get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz)



"team league" "team league"



too bad the acer-axiom adventure was in GSTL and not PL :'(



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The final is a bo1 format. The one winning between Innovation and Taeja gets his team the tournament The final is a bo1 format. The one winning between Innovation and Taeja gets his team the tournament



bo3 with the wonderful revive rule. too bad the acer-axiom adventure was in GSTL and not PL :'(bo3 with the wonderful revive rule.



Ah yes forgot the revive thing! Ah yes forgot the revive thing!

Xoronius Profile Joined July 2011 Germany 6360 Posts #203 On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

Crot4le Profile Joined June 2013 England 2927 Posts #204 I'd be more fine with it if there wasn't the revive rule because at least you then can prepare a sniper build for that one player. You can't do that when he can then just be sent out again. Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le

Yhamm Profile Blog Joined December 2012 France 6490 Posts #205 On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill Liquipedia We will have only each other at the last

Larkin Profile Blog Joined January 2012 United Kingdom 7149 Posts #206 Why did Hasu chase that all the way?



Taeja somehow wins after losing all those SCVs and a lot of army https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague

Crot4le Profile Joined June 2013 England 2927 Posts #207 On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



Well let's see shall we:



Poll: What format do you prefer?



Proleague (72)

62%



All-kill no revive (35)

30%



All-kill with revive (10)

9%



117 total votes (72)62%(35)30%(10)9%117 total votes Your vote: What format do you prefer? (Vote): All-kill with revive

(Vote): All-kill no revive

(Vote): Proleague



Well let's see shall we: Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le

Lorning Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Belgica 34335 Posts #208 On July 09 2014 23:55 Crot4le wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



Well let's see shall we:



+ Show Spoiler + Poll: What format do you prefer?



Proleague (72)

62%



All-kill no revive (35)

30%



All-kill with revive (10)

9%



117 total votes (72)62%(35)30%(10)9%117 total votes Your vote: What format do you prefer? (Vote): All-kill with revive

(Vote): All-kill no revive

(Vote): Proleague



Well let's see shall we:

I prefer the PL format, but I also like variety in tournament formats I prefer the PL format, but I also like variety in tournament formats Community News

Yhamm Profile Blog Joined December 2012 France 6490 Posts #209 is the ace Starbuck is the ace Liquipedia We will have only each other at the last

Rain.100 Profile Joined March 2012 Germany 946 Posts #210 On July 09 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:41 sAsImre wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Sigh, all-kill formats really are terrible



get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz) get 1 superstar. win the tournament. gg. (just like individual tournaments zzz)



"team league" "team league"

not like youre forced to participate but rather qq about all kill formats, classy not like youre forced to participate but rather qq about all kill formats, classy I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3

TotalBiscuit Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United Kingdom 5415 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-09 15:08:38 #211 On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?



That makes little sense. Personally I've already discussed my opinion on the format in the past with the organizers and you will have to forgive my frustration. We prepare to beat a team, but then we run into the wall of Innovation and don't get to play against that team, only against a player who we know is extremely good. That's not a team-league, that's getting thrashed by a superstar and it's rather disheartening. I prefer teamleagues that demonstrate the depth of a teams roster, which is what Proleague format is designed to do.



At least that won't happen in the losers bracket and we can actually show you a team match. We are sorry to our fans for a disappointing result.



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?That makes little sense. Personally I've already discussed my opinion on the format in the past with the organizers and you will have to forgive my frustration. We prepare to beat a team, but then we run into the wall of Innovation and don't get to play against that team, only against a player who we know is extremely good. That's not a team-league, that's getting thrashed by a superstar and it's rather disheartening. I prefer teamleagues that demonstrate the depth of a teams roster, which is what Proleague format is designed to do.At least that won't happen in the losers bracket and we can actually show you a team match. We are sorry to our fans for a disappointing result. not like youre forced to participate but rather qq about all kill formats, classy



German TaKe fans always have such predictable defensive reactions of anything organized by him. You are no exception. Relax, nobody is hating on TaKe, some of just take issue with the format of the event.



What other teamleagues are there to participate in exactly? You are quite literally talking about the only one, for a team that was built to play in GSTL, a teamleague. Yes, we have a great choice, we either play or... don't play. Not "forced" to participate, but clearly not in our best interests not to participate. We're very glad ATC exists, we would prefer it be a different format. Clan Wars was created because I thought an alternative format was needed for foreign teams to participate in, unfortunately with chemo kicking my ass I can't do it at the moment. German TaKe fans always have such predictable defensive reactions of anything organized by him. You are no exception. Relax, nobody is hating on TaKe, some of just take issue with the format of the event.What other teamleagues are there to participate in exactly? You are quite literally talking about the only one, for a team that was built to play in GSTL, a teamleague. Yes, we have a great choice, we either play or... don't play. Not "forced" to participate, but clearly not in our best interests not to participate. We're very glad ATC exists, we would prefer it be a different format. Clan Wars was created because I thought an alternative format was needed for foreign teams to participate in, unfortunately with chemo kicking my ass I can't do it at the moment. Commentator Host of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft

Xoronius Profile Joined July 2011 Germany 6360 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-09 15:00:27 #212 On July 09 2014 23:55 Crot4le wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



Well let's see shall we:



Poll: What format do you prefer?



Proleague (72)

62%



All-kill no revive (35)

30%



All-kill with revive (10)

9%



117 total votes (72)62%(35)30%(10)9%117 total votes Your vote: What format do you prefer? (Vote): All-kill with revive

(Vote): All-kill no revive

(Vote): Proleague



Well let's see shall we:

I think we have to distinguish a bit here, dependent on roster size. With 6+ players (6 1v1, not 6 guys in the roster), I'd prefer PL format, with less people, I'm favoring all-kill no revive. I think we have to distinguish a bit here, dependent on roster size. With 6+ players (6 1v1, not 6 guys in the roster), I'd prefer PL format, with less people, I'm favoring all-kill no revive.

AlternativeEgo Profile Joined August 2011 Sweden 17294 Posts #213 Alright, who voted for revive? Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp

TotalBiscuit Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United Kingdom 5415 Posts #214 On July 09 2014 23:59 AlternativeEgo wrote:

Alright, who voted for revive?



Satan Satan Commentator Host of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft

Yhamm Profile Blog Joined December 2012 France 6490 Posts #215 On July 09 2014 23:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl Liquipedia We will have only each other at the last

Xoronius Profile Joined July 2011 Germany 6360 Posts #216 On July 10 2014 00:01 Yhamm wrote:

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On July 09 2014 23:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl

Debatable. LR threads tend to be pretty full. Debatable. LR threads tend to be pretty full.

TotalBiscuit Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United Kingdom 5415 Posts #217 On July 10 2014 00:01 Yhamm wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 09 2014 23:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl

yes, I think it would have more views than lost in the middle of a LR thread, especially if you are the creator of the threads, that automatically attract more ppl



As I said before, we've already discussed the format with the organizers. Creating a thread would make little difference at this point. As I said before, we've already discussed the format with the organizers. Creating a thread would make little difference at this point. Commentator Host of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft

SpikeStarcraft Profile Joined October 2011 Germany 2092 Posts #218 On July 09 2014 23:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 09 2014 23:50 Yhamm wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:48 Xoronius wrote:

On July 09 2014 23:43 Yhamm wrote:

ah, some whine on the format, like every week on ATC

There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often). There's no problem with that though, format of a tournament only changes once a season, if you want to change something there, you have to be vocal consistently. I personally have no problem with all-kill, but if they have, there are not that many other channels to communicate it. (Ofc I may be a bit biased here, since I use my freedom of expression against bad systems quite often).

he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill he could make a thread, ask for a vote to see what the viewers think and show it to TaKe, not whine about it each time Axiom loses or when some other player do an all-kill



You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?



That makes little sense. Personally I've already discussed my opinion on the format in the past with the organizers and you will have to forgive my frustration. We prepare to beat a team, but then we run into the wall of Innovation and don't get to play against that team, only against a player who we know is extremely good. That's not a team-league, that's getting thrashed by a superstar and it's rather disheartening. I prefer teamleagues that demonstrate the depth of a teams roster, which is what Proleague format is designed to do.



At least that won't happen in the losers bracket and we can actually show you a team match. We are sorry to our fans for a disappointing result.



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not like youre forced to participate but rather qq about all kill formats, classy



German TaKe fans always have such predictable defensive reactions of anything organized by him. You are no exception.



What other teamleagues are there to participate in exactly? You are quite literally talking about the only one, for a team that was built to play in GSTL, a teamleague. Yes, we have a great choice, we either play or... don't play. Not "forced" to participate, but clearly not in our best interests not to participate. You would rather someone make an extra thread than criticize the format in the thread for the tournament where that feedback is supposed to be posted?That makes little sense. Personally I've already discussed my opinion on the format in the past with the organizers and you will have to forgive my frustration. We prepare to beat a team, but then we run into the wall of Innovation and don't get to play against that team, only against a player who we know is extremely good. That's not a team-league, that's getting thrashed by a superstar and it's rather disheartening. I prefer teamleagues that demonstrate the depth of a teams roster, which is what Proleague format is designed to do.At least that won't happen in the losers bracket and we can actually show you a team match. We are sorry to our fans for a disappointing result.German TaKe fans always have such predictable defensive reactions of anything organized by him. You are no exception.What other teamleagues are there to participate in exactly? You are quite literally talking about the only one, for a team that was built to play in GSTL, a teamleague. Yes, we have a great choice, we either play or... don't play. Not "forced" to participate, but clearly not in our best interests not to participate.



Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't Proleague playoffs played in all-kill format as well just like ATC (except ace revive)? Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't Proleague playoffs played in all-kill format as well just like ATC (except ace revive)?

Zheryn Profile Joined December 2010 Sweden 3653 Posts Last Edited: 2014-07-09 15:06:34 #219 What happend in Sjaak vs Snute?



Also, what's up with the stream? Anyone else getting stuttering like it's very low fps? hundred thousand krouner

TotalBiscuit Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United Kingdom 5415 Posts #220 On July 10 2014 00:03 SpikeStarcraft wrote:

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't Proleague playoffs played in all-kill format as well just like ATC (except ace revive)?



They are.



I wouldn't mind a mixed format. I think GSTL was perfect for that, it provided both. I think doing the entire season and the playoffs in a BO9 revive format is not the best way to go about things. They are.I wouldn't mind a mixed format. I think GSTL was perfect for that, it provided both. I think doing the entire season and the playoffs in a BO9 revive format is not the best way to go about things. Commentator Host of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft

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