User Info: DynoStretch DynoStretch 9 years ago #1



~ So Magnifi was blackmailing Zak and Valant because one of them shot Thalassa. Who exactly did it? I forget exactly how the trick worked, but how could they all not know who shot her?



~ Thalassa was apparently shot during a training session for the show? Who uses a live human being for practice?! Should you guys be using an artificial dummy for something dangerous like that?!



~ What exactly was Magnifi blackmailing Zak and Valant to do? They're world-famous magicians, so I doubt they have money trouble or anything.



~ Where was Apollo during the time he was born and before Trucy was born? Apollo would had been about seven when Trucy was born, yet we see him 15 years later and he doesn't recognize Trucy or her name. What was he doing at this time?



~ How did Magnifi get loaded guns into a hospital?



~ Where were all the doctors and nurses when all these gunshots were going off? And don't tell me they used a silencer. Valant wouldn't had gone back into Maginifi's room to see he shot himself if he didn't hear it.



~ Why was Magnifi's time of death so vague? He was in a hospital, he should had been hooked up to a heart rate monitor, considering his condition, which would had easily given us an accurate time of death.



~ How did Valant manage to make a suicide shot look like a murder shot? I'm pretty sure not even a magician could get rid of all traces of the wound that could lead to it being a suicide, especially not in the limited time he had.



~ It took a whole week for Zak's trial to start. Why is that? Usually trial begin one or two days after the murder. What was taking the police so long this time? You'd think in that time the possibility of a suicide could be proven. Heck, they probably could had gotten a more accurate idea of which pistol was used to shoot what target in that time.



~ When exactly was Kristoph hired by Zak? It couldn't be the night before the trial, or else Kristoph couldn't had gotten access to the crime scene and the diary in time to make the forgery. And if he had been hired a week prior to the case, why did Zak wait until the last minute to play poker with him?



~ Where was Maya in the flashback trial? She said in the T&T credits she vowed to stay as Phoenix's legal assistant. Phoenix took the case at the last minute, so I'm pretty sure he could had used her aid in the case.



~ What was with Phoenix's bizarre arrogance in the trial? He of all people shouldn't had said some crap like "I guess there's no substitute for experience", especially after the cases he's won in the past against more experienced attorneys.



~ Why did no one question how Klavier not only knew about the forged diary page, but even had a witness prepared to confirm it?



*continued on next post* "I'm sorry, I don't speak badger dance." ~ Miles Edgeworth So a while back I stated I had a whole baseball stadium full of plotholes in Case 4-4, and so now I've decided to put it up. See how many of these you can answer without saying "Sequel hook" or "Zak is a jerk".~ So Magnifi was blackmailing Zak and Valant because one of them shot Thalassa. Who exactly did it? I forget exactly how the trick worked, but how could they all not know who shot her?~ Thalassa was apparently shot during a training session for the show? Who uses a live human being for practice?! Should you guys be using an artificial dummy for something dangerous like that?!~ What exactly was Magnifi blackmailing Zak and Valant to do? They're world-famous magicians, so I doubt they have money trouble or anything.~ Where was Apollo during the time he was born and before Trucy was born? Apollo would had been about seven when Trucy was born, yet we see him 15 years later and he doesn't recognize Trucy or her name. What was he doing at this time?~ How did Magnifi get loaded guns into a hospital?~ Where were all the doctors and nurses when all these gunshots were going off? And don't tell me they used a silencer. Valant wouldn't had gone back into Maginifi's room to see he shot himself if he didn't hear it.~ Why was Magnifi's time of death so vague? He was in a hospital, he should had been hooked up to a heart rate monitor, considering his condition, which would had easily given us an accurate time of death.~ How did Valant manage to make a suicide shot look like a murder shot? I'm pretty sure not even a magician could get rid of all traces of the wound that could lead to it being a suicide, especially not in the limited time he had.~ It took a whole week for Zak's trial to start. Why is that? Usually trial begin one or two days after the murder. What was taking the police so long this time? You'd think in that time the possibility of a suicide could be proven. Heck, they probably could had gotten a more accurate idea of which pistol was used to shoot what target in that time.~ When exactly was Kristoph hired by Zak? It couldn't be the night before the trial, or else Kristoph couldn't had gotten access to the crime scene and the diary in time to make the forgery. And if he had been hired a week prior to the case, why did Zak wait until the last minute to play poker with him?~ Where was Maya in the flashback trial? She said in the T&T credits she vowed to stay as Phoenix's legal assistant. Phoenix took the case at the last minute, so I'm pretty sure he could had used her aid in the case.~ What was with Phoenix's bizarre arrogance in the trial? He of all people shouldn't had said some crap like "I guess there's no substitute for experience", especially after the cases he's won in the past against more experienced attorneys.~ Why did no one question how Klavier not only knew about the forged diary page, but even had a witness prepared to confirm it?*continued on next post*

User Info: DynoStretch DynoStretch (Topic Creator) 9 years ago #2



~ Where was Trucy between the flashback trial and Phoenix calling her to come to his office? Was she with the police? Would they really let her come unsupervised to the office of a man who was suspected of dirty tricks in the trial?



~ Where was Maya and Edgeworth during the investigation? Where was Maya to tag along with Phoenix and find some information that he might not catch? Where was Edgeworth to do an inquiry on the fake evidence and Klavier's suspicious knowledge of it?



~ Someone apparently tried to kidnap Vera as a child.... okay? ... ... We're not going to find out anything about that? ... ... No, I guess it's just a plot contrivance to make her a shut-in... which does lead to even more plotholes...



~ Zak had the real page on him the entire time. Why did he not tell Phoenix about this? Especially when he SAW the fake page in Phoenix's hand. It even looked just like the diary page Zak was carrying on him at that moment. And why did the police not see it when they searched Zak after arresting him?!



~ How did Phoenix adopt Trucy? He was a jobless man who had such a bad reputation thanks to the evidence scandal that he couldn't get a decent job, and had to settle for the piano/poker gig. That doesn't look good for a person trying to adopt a kid, especially since it wasn't good enough to make ends meet, as Trucy had to work as a magician to get revenue as well.



~ Why was Zak so obsessed with destroying Phoenix's poker record? It was the only thing that gave Phoenix the revenue to support the daughter that Zak dumped on him! Does he want Trucy to be fatherless?!



~ Drew used Vera's stamp to mail the lettter... why? Did he really not have any stamps? Sue he may had been desperate, what with Brushel poking around, but couldn't he had just bought more stamps, or hid the letter until he could get more, rather then using a stamp that Vera held so near and dear to her?



~ Why does Vera care so much about keeping her nails looking nice? She's an anti-social shut-in, so who's she trying to impress?



~ The police didn't pick up any traces of poison on her nails when they searched her for the poison that killed Drew?



~ Why did Phoenix not ask the guard in the prison center to confiscate the letter in Kristoph's prison, or even just have Apollo come over to take it? It was heavily related to the trial, Phoenix even said to himself it was decisive evidence.



*continued moar* "I'm sorry, I don't speak badger dance." ~ Miles Edgeworth ~ Why did Zak even need a lawyer in the first place? He was planning to leave the trial no matter what verdict was to be handed down, so why bother dragging a lawyer into this mess? The court would had appointed him one just fine.~ Where was Trucy between the flashback trial and Phoenix calling her to come to his office? Was she with the police? Would they really let her come unsupervised to the office of a man who was suspected of dirty tricks in the trial?~ Where was Maya and Edgeworth during the investigation? Where was Maya to tag along with Phoenix and find some information that he might not catch? Where was Edgeworth to do an inquiry on the fake evidence and Klavier's suspicious knowledge of it?~ Someone apparently tried to kidnap Vera as a child.... okay? ... ... We're not going to find out anything about that? ... ... No, I guess it's just a plot contrivance to make her a shut-in... which does lead to even more plotholes...~ Zak had the real page on him the entire time. Why did he not tell Phoenix about this? Especially when he SAW the fake page in Phoenix's hand. It even looked just like the diary page Zak was carrying on him at that moment. And why did the police not see it when they searched Zak after arresting him?!~ How did Phoenix adopt Trucy? He was a jobless man who had such a bad reputation thanks to the evidence scandal that he couldn't get a decent job, and had to settle for the piano/poker gig. That doesn't look good for a person trying to adopt a kid, especially since it wasn't good enough to make ends meet, as Trucy had to work as a magician to get revenue as well.~ Why was Zak so obsessed with destroying Phoenix's poker record? It was the only thing that gave Phoenix the revenue to support the daughter that Zak dumped on him! Does he want Trucy to be fatherless?!~ Drew used Vera's stamp to mail the lettter... why? Did he really not have any stamps? Sue he may had been desperate, what with Brushel poking around, but couldn't he had just bought more stamps, or hid the letter until he could get more, rather then using a stamp that Vera held so near and dear to her?~ Why does Vera care so much about keeping her nails looking nice? She's an anti-social shut-in, so who's she trying to impress?~ The police didn't pick up any traces of poison on her nails when they searched her for the poison that killed Drew?~ Why did Phoenix not ask the guard in the prison center to confiscate the letter in Kristoph's prison, or even just have Apollo come over to take it? It was heavily related to the trial, Phoenix even said to himself it was decisive evidence.*continued moar*

User Info: DynoStretch DynoStretch (Topic Creator) 9 years ago #3



~ Kristoph's motives were bizarrely petty for a guy like him. He was jealous because Phoenix was picked instead of him? That's apparently reason enough to ruin the lives of two innocent men, kill one of them, kill another man, and even try to kill a little girl? That's really... extreme.



~ So... Klavier said on the last day that he always had a suspicion that Kristoph was behind the forgery... so why did he not do anything about this? He just left an innocent man to live seven years with his life in shambles? Yes Kristoph is his brother, but if he does care about the truth so much maybe he would had looked a bit more into this.



~ This is going back to Vera being a shut-in. Where do the police think Vera could had gotten poison to kill Drew? Do they think she bought it on the internet or something?! And what motive would a girl have to kill her father, who was her only social contact for so many years?!



Whew. There, I'm done. Feel free to add more plotholes or try to explain some of these. And again, try not to answer with "They're saving it for the sequel." or "Zak is a JERK." "I'm sorry, I don't speak badger dance." ~ Miles Edgeworth ~ How in god's green earth did a disbarred man who was found guilty of forging evidence be allowed to become the chairman of a new law system? The only explanation was he had the aide of his friends like Edgeworth and Franziska to help him, but if that's the case, where were they to help seven years ago, and why didn't the writers at least hint in this direction?~ Kristoph's motives were bizarrely petty for a guy like him. He was jealous because Phoenix was picked instead of him? That's apparently reason enough to ruin the lives of two innocent men, kill one of them, kill another man, and even try to kill a little girl? That's really... extreme.~ So... Klavier said on the last day that he always had a suspicion that Kristoph was behind the forgery... so why did he not do anything about this? He just left an innocent man to live seven years with his life in shambles? Yes Kristoph is his brother, but if he does care about the truth so much maybe he would had looked a bit more into this.~ This is going back to Vera being a shut-in. Where do the police think Vera could had gotten poison to kill Drew? Do they think she bought it on the internet or something?! And what motive would a girl have to kill her father, who was her only social contact for so many years?!Whew. There, I'm done. Feel free to add more plotholes or try to explain some of these. And again, try not to answer with "They're saving it for the sequel." or "Zak is a JERK."

User Info: Franzy_VonKarma Franzy_VonKarma 9 years ago #4



In fact, I was going to replay the game just to make a list of my grievances with the plot and make a similar topic. No point in doing it now. I object...for objection's sake!

Ask Franziska. She's the only smart one here- PeckingBird ...I'd say that I approve this topic, but that would be redundant at this point. >_>In fact, I was going to replay the game just to make a list of my grievances with the plot and make a similar topic. No point in doing it now.

User Info: JMBoote JMBoote 9 years ago #5 Kinda minor, but I'd guess Apollo was in an orphanage at the time of Trucy's birth.

User Info: Franzy_VonKarma Franzy_VonKarma 9 years ago #6 From: JMBoote | Posted: 5/9/2011 10:43:45 AM | #005

Kinda minor, but I'd guess Apollo was in an orphanage at the time of Trucy's birth.

Why? Wouldn't he be with his father?

...Unless he isn't Zack's son? Don't tell me...Damon Gant. >_> I object...for objection's sake!

Ask Franziska. She's the only smart one here- PeckingBird Why? Wouldn't he be with his father?...Unless he isn't Zack's son? Don't tell me...Damon Gant. >_>

User Info: JMBoote JMBoote 9 years ago #7 Franzy_VonKarma posted...

From: JMBoote | Posted: 5/9/2011 10:43:45 AM | #005

Kinda minor, but I'd guess Apollo was in an orphanage at the time of Trucy's birth.

Why? Wouldn't he be with his father?

...Unless he isn't Zack's son? Don't tell me...Damon Gant. >_>



No, Zak ain't the father. Thalassa was pregnant with Apollo when she was 17, and had to give him up. She met Zak after she gave Apollo up. Damon Gant...I'm not even touching that one.

User Info: Franzy_VonKarma Franzy_VonKarma 9 years ago #8 JMBoote posted...

Franzy_VonKarma posted...

From: JMBoote | Posted: 5/9/2011 10:43:45 AM | #005

Kinda minor, but I'd guess Apollo was in an orphanage at the time of Trucy's birth.

Why? Wouldn't he be with his father?

...Unless he isn't Zack's son? Don't tell me...Damon Gant. >_>



No, Zak ain't the father. Thalassa was pregnant with Apollo when she was 17, and had to give him up. She met Zak after she gave Apollo up. Damon Gant...I'm not even touching that one.





So she threw her child away and went to live happily with that jerk, Zak?

Mother of the century. >_>

She deserved everything that happened to her. <_< I object...for objection's sake!

Ask Franziska. She's the only smart one here- PeckingBird So she threw her child away and went to live happily with that jerk, Zak?Mother of the century. >_>She deserved everything that happened to her.

User Info: JMBoote JMBoote 9 years ago #9 Franzy_VonKarma posted...

JMBoote posted...

Franzy_VonKarma posted...

From: JMBoote | Posted: 5/9/2011 10:43:45 AM | #005

Kinda minor, but I'd guess Apollo was in an orphanage at the time of Trucy's birth.

Why? Wouldn't he be with his father?

...Unless he isn't Zack's son? Don't tell me...Damon Gant. >_>



No, Zak ain't the father. Thalassa was pregnant with Apollo when she was 17, and had to give him up. She met Zak after she gave Apollo up. Damon Gant...I'm not even touching that one.





So she threw her child away and went to live happily with that jerk, Zak?

Mother of the century. >_>

She deserved everything that happened to her. <_<



Imagine being pregnant at 17. Imagine not knowing what to do. Imagine being absolutely terrified about raising a child. Imagine having a complete *sshole as a father. I understand completely why she did what she did. She was just 17. There's no way she could have coped.