Yesterday, anti-choice activist Randall Terry posted an interview with Roy Moore, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court and a leader in the conservative movement to defy the federal courts on marriage equality.

Moore told Terry that religious “persecution is just beginning” because Americans will be “forced to accept evil” and “condone sodomy,” which the two agreed will lead to a massive and possibly violent backlash. “I hope we don’t have a war, I hope we don’t have conflicts but we definitely need to recognize that same-sex marriage is something that has not existed on a government level,” Moore added.

After Moore said that the founding fathers would be “incensed” at the court’s decision, Terry claimed that if the founders rebelled against the British over taxes, they would have certainly also led a revolution over an attempt to “make the colonies into Sodom and Gomorrah.”

Moore has previously warned that marriage equality will lead to divine retribution and “literally cause the destruction of our country.”

Later in the program, Moore alleged that the Supreme Court, like King George III before it, is a tyrannical force trampling on freedom. When Terry pushed Moore to reveal whether he believed that there should be an anti-gay revolution, Moore only said that 2015 is just like 1776.

Moore also advised governors to defy the Supreme Court’s ruling because it “doesn’t follow the Constitution,” while Terry urged governors to declare that “this decision is from Hell, literally from Hell, and tell the justices take it back to Hell where it came from.”