ratirt What a crap you are talking dude. :) I literally fell off my chair here reading this garbage.

NAVI is brand new arch and AIB's need to design their products a bit to make it work and do tests. Super by NV is the same thing with core number boost so it is faster to release it cause AIB manufacturers have everything already.



Learn how to think it really doesn't hurt :)

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TheMadDutchDude I love comments from people who clearly don't understand or know much about the stuff that goes on behind the scenes, and believe they can do better. :D

The hell are YOU talking about. Why is AMD always incapable of informing board partners ahead of time and always struggling to have product on shelves at all times? Because they lack control over their distribution chain, that is why. And why does that happen? Because they want to cheap out on it. Control costs money and so does keeping stock. We can criticize things like Nvidia's GPP but really, AMD needs something of the sort, and badly.One of the reasons Nvidia captured lots of market share is because they put hard limits and specs on what they want their AIBs to do, and it creates contracts with them that force them to have product on shelves at certain dates. Look at an average Nvidia launch. In a SINGLE DAY you get nearly every AIB to declare the full line up. Now look at NAVI. MSI presents a slide with bad jpegs, blurry branding logo and text errors, and every day is a new surprise what news from what AIB might come up next. What DO we get? Every AIB announcing the same boring stock blowers nobody wants. Are you waiting in line yet?Learn to think, he says. :banghead:This, once again, is going to contribute to Nvidia keeping hold of that 70+% share. Even if they cut Navi price down another 50, its pointless when there's no stock,. And low stock does what again? Oh yeah... it inflates pricing. Last I heard the problem was HBM, with VII the problem was the product wasn't even remotely viable... what is it now, GDDR6 needs to be sourced from the moon? It would be funny if it wasn't so incredibly sad.An example, to remind you of reality, here's a high end AIB release on a NEW arch on a NEW process. It even carries new GDDR5X memory just like Navi's GDDR6.If you understand this so well, can you elaborate on why there is such a striking difference in the timing of releases between green and red then? I've yet to see anything plausible, to be fair... 'New architecture' is total BS, for one, because they didn't design Navi overnight. Board partners could have been informed months ago - and if they wére... yes, its clear they don't care enough if they cannot manage to produce a shroud copy/paste and some tweaks to adapt to a new PCB at or very shortly after launch.Another writing on the wall is the wide gaps between the release dates of each AIB. And let's not mention the pretty frequent re-use of cooling solutions originally designed for an Nvidia release, such as Asus's version for a 280x with heatpipes that didn't even connect proper... You won't see that going on @ Nvidia - they only need EVGA for a yearly screwup :rolleyes:.Also... boards =/= GPUs. And Zen is actually a promising product that is popular in public opinion. Now, put two and two together and the conclusion is very simple. AIBs focus on what makes them a lot of money and is low risk. Navi is high risk and low volume, especially compared to Nvidia Super. The latter is historically projecting six to eight times better sales numbers than the former...