Thanks for that reasoned response. "if father’s wanted men’s rights, then they would listen to feminists", so you want men to listen to feminists but only so long as we don't call ourselves feminists or have any kind of voice within the feminist domain, unless it's directed at precisely what you consider to be worthy of attention. Can you see why people have a problem with your perverted branch of 'feminism'? I'm more of a feminist than you.