Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs got into a heated debate Thursday night with National Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd over border patrol’s ability to stop the migrant caravan headed to the southern border.

Judd argued that border patrol cannot physically stop the caravan at the border, and must wait until they cross illegally and then apprehend them. Current “catch and release” policies will allow the immigrants to be released into the country, Judd explained, and the only real way to stop the caravan is to allow border patrol to hold its members pending their asylum status.

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“So the entire border patrol is standing helpless at the border?” Dobbs asked. “You’re helpless.”

Dobbs insisted that the only solution, then, is to send the U.S. military to the border and allow them to stop the caravan before they cross the border.

“They can’t even do that,” Judd said. “If they put one step into the United States we have to take them into custody if the military is there or not.”

The remainder of the interview consisted of a heated debate over whether or not the border patrol and the U.S. military are legally allowed to physically prevent immigrants from illegally crossing the U.S. border.

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“How do you stop them from crossing the border illegally? You’re the border patrol,” Dobbs said.

“You can’t!” Judd exclaimed.

“Then that’s a fiction and a farce and the American people need to understand that,” Dobbs said. “We have a bunch of people in green uniforms at the border who can’t do a thing about it.”

“This is an amazing interview,” Judd said sarcastically.

Judd demanded to know how the U.S. military can stop someone from crossing the border, to which Dobbs replied, “If you don’t mind, I am leading this interview, I want you to focus.” (RELATED: Border Patrol Agent Union Chief’s Solution For Migrant Caravan Shows How Severe The Issue Really Is)

In an interview with The Daily Caller this week, Judd explained that the military cannot act like a “police force” on the border, but that they can act as the border patrol’s “eyes” in support positions.

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