amazingxkcd Profile Blog Joined September 2010 GRAND OLD AMERICA 15736 Posts #2 LETS GET HYPEEEE The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings

outscar Profile Joined September 2014 1961 Posts #3 I'm waiting for another stomp just like SSL11 because I think EffOrt is even more challenging opponent than herO for Bisu. He is who grabbed 4th OSL from Flash's hand. Time for him to show that he can win it even if organizers change his machine to Linux or Mac. sunbeams are never made like me...

BisuDagger Profile Blog Joined October 2009 Bisutopia 17616 Posts #4 On January 23 2016 03:06 outscar wrote:

I'm waiting for another stomp just like SSL11 because I think EffOrt is even more challenging opponent than herO for Bisu. He is who grabbed 4th OSL from Flash's hand. Time for him to show that he can win it even if organizers change his machine to Linux or Mac.

Bisu's level of play is far above what it was 6 months ago. There's now way it goes the same way. It will be very close and challenging for both imo. Bisu's level of play is far above what it was 6 months ago. There's now way it goes the same way. It will be very close and challenging for both imo. Moderator Ofiicial Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2

Nikon Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Bulgaria 5151 Posts #5 I hope I catch this. Fight fight!

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #6 smelling 3-2 bisu 2 gates in the last game -_-

Foxxan Profile Joined October 2004 Sweden 3425 Posts #7 Bisu better play alot better than the last tourament, the one whicvh he lost against a zerg in the final.

His pay was very lacking. He made bad cheeses and stuff and still won cuz zerg opponent fucked up.

prech Profile Joined March 2014 United States 2947 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 23:52:44 #8 On January 23 2016 03:28 BisuDagger wrote:

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On January 23 2016 03:06 outscar wrote:

I'm waiting for another stomp just like SSL11 because I think EffOrt is even more challenging opponent than herO for Bisu. He is who grabbed 4th OSL from Flash's hand. Time for him to show that he can win it even if organizers change his machine to Linux or Mac.

Bisu's level of play is far above what it was 6 months ago. There's now way it goes the same way. It will be very close and challenging for both imo. Bisu's level of play is far above what it was 6 months ago. There's now way it goes the same way. It will be very close and challenging for both imo.

Hmm, I watch all of Bisu's streams and don't really sense significant change one way or the other over the past year... His PvZ is dominant as always and that hero series still feels like an aberration.



I'd guess Bisu has played hero and EffOrt in best-of series (usually Bo3) ~5 times every week over the past many months and won a good 90% of them. That SSL11 loss was by far the worst, unfortunately, it also happened to be on the biggest of stages.



It seems EffOrt's had the most success when expanding conservatively to the nearby third and preventing Bisu from taking his third, with big hydra/ling pushes, followed by muta HT sniping. Conversely, when EffOrt expands cross map to take a main/natural, Bisu just takes his third and macros his way through EffOrt's split forces/defenses.



Basically, fully expecting EffOrt to be conservative in these finals with his third, but Circuit Breaker spells big trouble... CB could potentially be played twice, and that awkward third expansion for Zerg, be it the mineral only or the more distant mid-map spot, make it really tempting to expand cross map instead. As we saw against GuemChi in the quarters, EffOrt's forced to turtle and Protoss out macros him.



Hoping it'll be an exciting finals, either way! Hmm, I watch all ofBisu's streams and don't really sense significant change one way or the other over the past year... His PvZ is dominant as always and thathero series still feels like an aberration.I'd guess Bisu has played hero andEffOrt in best-of series (usually Bo3) ~5 times every week over the past many months and won a good 90% of them. That SSL11 loss was by far the worst, unfortunately, it also happened to be on the biggest of stages.It seems EffOrt's had the most success when expanding conservatively to the nearby third and preventing Bisu from taking his third, with big hydra/ling pushes, followed by muta HT sniping. Conversely, when EffOrt expands cross map to take a main/natural, Bisu just takes his third and macros his way through EffOrt's split forces/defenses.Basically, fully expecting EffOrt to be conservative in these finals with his third, but Circuit Breaker spells big trouble... CB could potentially be played twice, and that awkward third expansion for Zerg, be it the mineral only or the more distant mid-map spot, make it really tempting to expand cross map instead. As we saw againstGuemChi in the quarters, EffOrt's forced to turtle and Protoss out macros him.Hoping it'll be an exciting finals, either way! Liquipedia

Chef Profile Blog Joined August 2005 10797 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 20:34:49 #9 That graphic makes the players look like they have unfortunate skin conditions / the photos are really old.



Still super excited about this. Can't wait to listen to my old SC heroes cast an great final. LEGEND!! LEGEND!!

prech Profile Joined March 2014 United States 2947 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 20:40:44 #10









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Was expecting a much more Bisu-favored audience, but only ~60:40 Checking out the Korean fan predictions/bets over at Ygosu, with about 100 entries:Was expecting a much more Bisu-favored audience, but only ~60:40 Liquipedia

HyralGambit Profile Joined February 2014 2439 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 22:01:34 #11



Get out ZerO :^)



My hype video is better than yours btw: Why is ZerO's face at the top?Get out ZerO :^)My hype video is better than yours btw:



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tanngard Profile Joined April 2011 Norway 1298 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 22:07:33 #12



Actually after digging around i found that you also wrote this in the afreeca thread in early december after effort won 2 BO3 and bisu won 1 against eachother



On December 06 2015 12:59 prech wrote:

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On December 06 2015 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:

Was this played yesterday Korean time? I saw 2 or 3 games and EffOrt was just so aggressive with hydras and lurkers. Bisu won one after beating back EffOrt's everything with his everything (zeal/goon/ht/archon/corsair/dt/reavers.)

Yup, exactly, they played 3 Bo3's, all on FS and La Mancha, if I recall



First time I can remember that EffOrt won so many times again Bisu, having watched all of their games since EffOrt joined the scene.



It almost seems like EffOrt has realized the winning formula. 1) Expand to the nearby third instead of cross-map, give up economy for aggressive early play instead of blowing resources on defense 2) Going hydra den first instead of lair + spire and 3) Doing everything possible to prevent Bisu from taking his third. Basically the hero playbook, and it's been paying off...



EffOrt and Bisu must have played something like 50-100 times on CB over the past few months and EffOrt expands cross-map for his third 90%+ of the time, and he loses a good 75%+ of the time... Learn by trial and error Yup, exactly, they played 3 Bo3's, all on FS and La Mancha, if I recallFirst time I can remember that EffOrt won so many times again Bisu, having watched all of their games since EffOrt joined the scene.It almost seems like EffOrt has realized the winning formula. 1) Expand to the nearby third instead of cross-map, give up economy for aggressive early play instead of blowing resources on defense 2) Going hydra den first instead of lair + spire and 3) Doing everything possible to prevent Bisu from taking his third. Basically thehero playbook, and it's been paying off...EffOrt and Bisu must have played something like 50-100 times on CB over the past few months and EffOrt expands cross-map for his third 90%+ of the time, and he loses a good 75%+ of the time... Learn by trial and error





You have some key insights that will make me anticipate the games for tomorrow that much more. Thank you very much! I really did not know effort had so much problem with taking third at the other natural. But when you say he does not go directly into spire from three hatches, does that mean he goes for something like a fake hydra bust? Forcing bisu to invest in static defence, meanwhile saving drones from not building his own sunkens, saturating at his third and getting lair for lurkers...and then use lurkers to try and mantain bisu from moving out. What about a real hydra bust? Is he known for trying that or is bisu to good to scout and defend properly? Hmm i did not know Bisu was that favoured Prech. I thought effort was for sure on level with him. Are you sure bisu wins 90 %? I guess im shocked to hear this considering efforts got a 18-3 winning record against protoss.Actually after digging around i found that you also wrote this in the afreeca thread in early december after effort won 2 BO3 and bisu won 1 against eachotherYou have some key insights that will make me anticipate the games for tomorrow that much more. Thank you very much! I really did not know effort had so much problem with taking third at the other natural. But when you say he does not go directly into spire from three hatches, does that mean he goes for something like a fake hydra bust? Forcing bisu to invest in static defence, meanwhile saving drones from not building his own sunkens, saturating at his third and getting lair for lurkers...and then use lurkers to try and mantain bisu from moving out. What about a real hydra bust? Is he known for trying that or is bisu to good to scout and defend properly?

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prech Profile Joined March 2014 United States 2947 Posts Last Edited: 2016-01-22 23:50:02 #16 On January 23 2016 07:06 tanngard wrote:

Hmm i did not know Bisu was that favoured Prech. I thought effort was for sure on level with him. Are you sure bisu wins 90 %? I guess im shocked to hear this considering efforts got a 18-3 winning record against protoss.



Actually after digging around i found that you also wrote this in the afreeca thread in early december after effort won 2 BO3 and bisu won 1 against eachother



Show nested quote +

On December 06 2015 12:59 prech wrote:

On December 06 2015 11:50 c3rberUs wrote:

Was this played yesterday Korean time? I saw 2 or 3 games and EffOrt was just so aggressive with hydras and lurkers. Bisu won one after beating back EffOrt's everything with his everything (zeal/goon/ht/archon/corsair/dt/reavers.)

Yup, exactly, they played 3 Bo3's, all on FS and La Mancha, if I recall



First time I can remember that EffOrt won so many times again Bisu, having watched all of their games since EffOrt joined the scene.



It almost seems like EffOrt has realized the winning formula. 1) Expand to the nearby third instead of cross-map, give up economy for aggressive early play instead of blowing resources on defense 2) Going hydra den first instead of lair + spire and 3) Doing everything possible to prevent Bisu from taking his third. Basically the hero playbook, and it's been paying off...



EffOrt and Bisu must have played something like 50-100 times on CB over the past few months and EffOrt expands cross-map for his third 90%+ of the time, and he loses a good 75%+ of the time... Learn by trial and error Yup, exactly, they played 3 Bo3's, all on FS and La Mancha, if I recallFirst time I can remember that EffOrt won so many times again Bisu, having watched all of their games since EffOrt joined the scene.It almost seems like EffOrt has realized the winning formula. 1) Expand to the nearby third instead of cross-map, give up economy for aggressive early play instead of blowing resources on defense 2) Going hydra den first instead of lair + spire and 3) Doing everything possible to prevent Bisu from taking his third. Basically thehero playbook, and it's been paying off...EffOrt and Bisu must have played something like 50-100 times on CB over the past few months and EffOrt expands cross-map for his third 90%+ of the time, and he loses a good 75%+ of the time... Learn by trial and error





You have some key insights that will make me anticipate the games for tomorrow that much more. Thank you very much! I really did not know effort had so much problem with taking third at the other natural. But when you say he does not go directly into spire from three hatches, does that mean he goes for something like a fake hydra bust? Forcing bisu to invest in static defence, meanwhile saving drones from not building his own sunkens, saturating at his third and getting lair for lurkers...and then use lurkers to try and mantain bisu from moving out. What about a real hydra bust? Is he known for trying that or is bisu to good to scout and defend properly? Hmm i did not know Bisu was that favoured Prech. I thought effort was for sure on level with him. Are you sure bisu wins 90 %? I guess im shocked to hear this considering efforts got a 18-3 winning record against protoss.Actually after digging around i found that you also wrote this in the afreeca thread in early december after effort won 2 BO3 and bisu won 1 against eachotherYou have some key insights that will make me anticipate the games for tomorrow that much more. Thank you very much! I really did not know effort had so much problem with taking third at the other natural. But when you say he does not go directly into spire from three hatches, does that mean he goes for something like a fake hydra bust? Forcing bisu to invest in static defence, meanwhile saving drones from not building his own sunkens, saturating at his third and getting lair for lurkers...and then use lurkers to try and mantain bisu from moving out. What about a real hydra bust? Is he known for trying that or is bisu to good to scout and defend properly?

It might be easier to watch some of those Bisu/EffOrt Bo3's than going into detail, thanks to



It might be easier to watch some of those Bisu/EffOrt Bo3's than going into detail, thanks to Korhal (Bo3 starting at around 25mins)

(Bo3 starting at around 25mins) (2x Bo3 starting at around 23mins then 57mins)



EffOrt mixes it up with the build orders, sometimes hydra den before lair, sometimes lair before den, but yea, when taking a nearby third rather than expanding cross map, EffOrt forces Bisu to make 4-6 cannons in most of these games.



On La Mancha, the thirds are similar to CB where they're more distant and difficult to defend for Zerg, so that makes for a few straight forward Bisu wins.



As for all-in hydra busts, I recall only a handful of attempts in recent months and Bisu's roaming corsairs usually pick that up -- it's easy to see EffOrt's rally point set up outside Bisu's natural so the cannons and psi storms are usually ready. EffOrt usually gg's after the failed attempt :/ (2x Bo3 starting at around 23mins then 57mins)EffOrt mixes it up with the build orders, sometimes hydra den before lair, sometimes lair before den, but yea, when taking a nearby third rather than expanding cross map, EffOrt forces Bisu to make 4-6 cannons in most of these games.On La Mancha, the thirds are similar to CB where they're more distant and difficult to defend for Zerg, so that makes for a few straight forward Bisu wins.As for all-in hydra busts, I recall only a handful of attempts in recent months and Bisu's roaming corsairs usually pick that up -- it's easy to see EffOrt's rally point set up outside Bisu's natural so the cannons and psi storms are usually ready. EffOrt usually gg's after the failed attempt :/ Liquipedia

xccam Profile Blog Joined September 2009 Great Britain 1147 Posts #17 I'll miss it due to work, but can't wait to watch the vods!

Hoping for a 3-2!

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Cele Profile Blog Joined December 2008 Germany 3825 Posts #19 HYPE-TRAIN, HYPE-TRAIN! Broodwar for life!

cha0 Profile Joined March 2010 Canada 414 Posts #20 The hype is real!!! We need the effort. Let's see the effort.

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