Hello Jeff,



I sure did, or I didn't.



Ocean acidification as you and yours described it is this:



The word “acidification” refers to lowering pH from any starting point to any end point on the pH scale. This term is used in many other scientific areas (including medicine and food science) to refer to the addition of an acid to a solution, regardless of the solution's pH value.



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Now, when it rains, rainwater having a lower ph than the ocean, the oceans' ph drops. This according to you and yours 'acidifies' the ocean. When water from rivers and runoff drains into the oceans, such water being more acidic, the oceans' ph drops. This again 'acidifies' the oceans as you say.



So I grant you that ocean 'acidification' has being going on a long time, long before Man arrived on this earth, according to your cited definition.



But I do not define acidification as you do nor your deranged authority. I look to the basic chemistry textbooks for a proper reading of what acidification actually means as it occurs in alkimetry and acidimetry, in titration. This is their field. The chemists have defined the process in a certain way. We are discussing chemistry. Not medicine. Not food science. Most of the food we eat is acidic. The environment we live in is generally acidic. So to hear that food scientists and medical practitioners use the term 'acidification' does not surprise me. What does interest me is how they define it. So why don't you produce a their definition of acidification so that we can all see it and understand their intent.



But I am more interested in how it is properly defined by those working in its respective field, that is Chemistry. Adding a weak acidic solution to a strongly alkaline solution, in an amount that would barely register in the millionths, will acidify nothing. It will only neutralize a very small portion of that alkaline solution. Any medical doctor or food scientist would never dare make such a ridiculous statement.



Just because some moron in another field wishes to change the terminology to suit his political beliefs and propaganda does not change anything. And if some dunce should wish to follow the moron for similar reasons, fine by me.



The rainwater could never acidify the ocean, nor could all that runoff. It can only work to neutralize it. And it is the same with that miniscule amount of carbon dioxide that humans put into the air, miniscule because the amount produced by natural means of decaying vegetation is just so much greater than our comparatively negligible contribution. And that amount of CO2 placed in the atmosphere by natural means could never acidify the ocean. The effort is negligible compared to the negligible result obtained by the much greater quantities of rain water and runoff.



I don't have to prove anything. That's not my job. That's your job. I don't know how a multiple degree holder in the sciences can make such a claim. You seem to think that you present a fool's theory and that everyone must work to disprove it. That's not how it works.



All I need do is poke holes in everything you say. So if CO2 'acidifies' the ocean by lowering its ph, then so does rainwater and runoff. Man's CO2 contribution compared to nature's is tiny. You think differently. Then produce the figures. Show me that man's contribution is so much greater than nature's.



But you can't. All you can do is just ignore everything that is said, or dispute it with nothing but a bunch of worthless statements that come without link or proof like runoff does not harm the oceans like CO2 does. Really! CO2 according to your environMentalists and the EPA is a toxin. Yet, it contributes greatly to every living organism on this planet. It gives us the oxygen producing trees and plants. It gives us the oxygen we breath. The ocean is full of it.



So there is the refutation. I don't think you will understand it because people such as yourself can never imagine themselves to be in error. Their doctrine is secure in their minds. The scarce information that agrees with it is championed. The mountain of information against it is ignored or disregarded. The minds of children work in a very similar way.



The only pathetic loser and liar here is you. You have no degrees. You again have produced no science other than absurd and unfathomable statements without link or proof.



GM



