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MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.84.7 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.84.7 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:19:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CABBWjNOmpNyfDRjz-77xqhhb=3epYJX24MYHRS5xQqOgvK7AFQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAE6FiQ-4O6yZNqnE4vHM=9obLqdCvA2fqivN5HKuxed5gcK=MQ@mail.gmail.com> <CABBWjNOmpNyfDRjz-77xqhhb=3epYJX24MYHRS5xQqOgvK7AFQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:19:46 -0500 Delivered-To: john.podesta@gmail.com Message-ID: <CAE6FiQ--VmzMxf-_D7Ckf9q4k71DVhd1C_RzCJ5btu==fXsJ5w@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What did you think of the speech? From: John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> To: Faiz Shakir <faiz.shakir@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11403b2c8e73780524eb51b2 --001a11403b2c8e73780524eb51b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you see Bernie's fighting for the soul of Islam comments? On Nov 19, 2015 3:00 PM, "Faiz Shakir" <faiz.shakir@gmail.com> wrote: > I, and many many others in this building, appreciated the courage of HRC > standing up for refugees at a moment when some Dems were going soft. That= =E2=80=99s > first and foremost. You could have followed the Schumer path and you > didn=E2=80=99t. Not sure if people on the outside appreciate that, but we= certainly > do. > > > I think the =E2=80=9Cradical jihadism=E2=80=9D language works well. As yo= u know, I > wouldn=E2=80=99t have picked the fight over =E2=80=9Cradical islam=E2=80= =9D to begin with. I=E2=80=99m > always happy to just concede that it=E2=80=99s a real thing and define it= as a > marginalized strain, which she did do today. I told Reid this, and I > suggest it to you as well: you just don't want to be on the slippery slop= e > of sounding like an imam who is defining what true islam is. From a polic= y > perspective, there's a radical strain. Moreover, I like making the Muslim > world feel like they need to activate to separate themselves and define > themselves (which is happening). By the way, every time Reid has spoken o= ut > in defense of Muslims, it has our most popular messaging of anything we d= o. > > > Really appreciated the Saudi hit on feeding radical ideology. I wish we > could have a project on building a progressive Islam. Would require > advocating for and lifting up progressive leaders in that nation to speak > about it/ to do online campaigning around it/etc. We tend to be overly > focused on the violent strains of the radicalism. But even if there weren= =E2=80=99t > violence, the fact that too many who are for subjugation of women, agains= t > gays, against Jews and Christians, etc =E2=80=93 is a serious problem for= our > future. Unfortunately, if you sounded progressive in the Middle > East/Pakistan, you'd be putting yourself at security risk. > > > > > Areas of concern: > > > Saying no to 100k troops on the ground, leaving the door open to > McCain/Graham=E2=80=99s 10k desire > > > I personally would be a little harsher on saudi, uae, jordan, etc for > leaving the fight in syria, but I understand that's thorny > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:29 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > --001a11403b2c8e73780524eb51b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">Did you see Bernie's fighting for the soul of Islam comm= ents?</p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Nov 19, 2015 3:00 PM, "Faiz Shakir"= <<a href=3D"mailto:faiz.shakir@gmail.com">faiz.shakir@gmail.com</a>>= wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"= ltr"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I, and many many others in this building, appre= ciated the courage of HRC standing up for refugees at a moment when some Dems were goi= ng soft. That=E2=80=99s first and foremost. You could have followed the Schume= r path and you didn=E2=80=99t. Not sure if people on the outside appreciate that, but = we certainly do.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the =E2=80=9Cradical jihadism=E2=80=9D langu= age works well. As you know, I wouldn=E2=80=99t have picked the fight over =E2=80=9Cradical islam= =E2=80=9D to begin with. I=E2=80=99m always happy to just concede that it=E2=80=99s a real thing and define it as a mar= ginalized strain, which she did do today. I told Reid this, and I suggest it to you a= s well: you just don't want to be on the slippery slope of sounding lik= e an imam who is defining what true islam is. From a policy perspective, th= ere's a radical strain. Moreover, I like making the Muslim world feel l= ike they need to activate to separate themselves and define themselves (whi= ch is happening). By the way, every time Reid has spoken out in defense of = Muslims, it has our most popular messaging of anything we do.</p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Really appreciated the Saudi hit on feeding radical = ideology. I wish we could have a project on building a progressive Islam. W= ould require advocating for and lifting up progressive leaders in that nati= on to speak about it/ to do online campaigning around it/etc. We tend to be overly focused on the violent stra= ins of the radicalism. But even if there weren=E2=80=99t violence, the fact tha= t too many who are for subjugation of women, against gays, against Jews and Christians, et= c =E2=80=93 is a serious problem for our future. Unfortunately, if you soun= ded progressive in the Middle East/Pakistan, you'd be putting yourself = at security risk.</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Areas of concern:</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Saying no to 100k tro= ops on the ground, leaving the door open to McCain/Graham=E2=80=99s 10k desire</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I personally would be= a little harsher on saudi, uae, jordan, etc for leaving the fight in syria= , but I understand that's thorny</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p></di= v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19,= 2015 at 2:29 PM, John Podesta <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:john= .podesta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">john.podesta@gmail.com</a>></span>= wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div><br></div> </blockquote></div> --001a11403b2c8e73780524eb51b2--