meatpudding Profile Joined March 2011 Australia 520 Posts #2 Cool. Be excellent to each other.

deth2munkies Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 3925 Posts #3 On October 02 2014 07:42 Sanders wrote:

I am in no way affiliated with Reflex. I am just unbelievably excited about the game.





Forgive me for not believing you. This is a sales pitch if I ever saw one.



Even if I were interested in Quake Live and its progeny, I wouldn't ever back anything like this without at least a playable tech demo. Forgive me for not believing you. This is a sales pitch if I ever saw one.Even if I were interested in Quake Live and its progeny, I wouldn't ever back anything like this without at least a playable tech demo.

JD. Profile Joined September 2014 Australia 4 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-02 03:57:36 #4 I like some of the ideas behind this game but between this, Reborn, Quake Live (on Steam) and UT4 I think the saturation will lead to this getting far less traction than it should and it won't ever get the funding/playerbase it may deserve.



Also the way you've wrote this doesn't exactly strike me as 'not a sales pitch'.

Probemicro Profile Joined February 2014 3708 Posts #5 quake clone through and through. looks decent, will wait and see. like someone said it would be nice to have a playable demo (UT4 already has one)





Sanders Profile Joined June 2010 96 Posts #6 On October 02 2014 12:37 deth2munkies wrote:

Forgive me for not believing you. This is a sales pitch if I ever saw one. On October 02 2014 12:54 JD. wrote:

Also the way you've wrote this doesn't exactly strike me as 'not a sales pitch'.

I've backed it on Kickstarter if you consider that involvement? I don't know the devs and I've had nothing to do with the project. I'm just a former Quake 3 & CPMA player who enjoys fast-paced arena FPS which is the best ever genre to play and spectate. There so few of them around that it's perfectly natural that I'm crazy excited for Reflex and I'm not going to apologise for trying to get other people hyped for it too.



I've backed it on Kickstarter if you consider that involvement? I don't know the devs and I've had nothing to do with the project. I'm just a former Quake 3 & CPMA player who enjoys fast-paced arena FPS which is the best ever genre to play and spectate. There so few of them around that it's perfectly natural that I'm crazy excited for Reflex and I'm not going to apologise for trying to get other people hyped for it too. On October 02 2014 12:37 deth2munkies wrote:

Even if I were interested in Quake Live and its progeny, I wouldn't ever back anything like this without at least a playable tech demo.

And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few.



And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few. On October 02 2014 12:57 Probemicro wrote:

quake clone through and through. looks decent, will wait and see. like someone said it would be nice to have a playable demo (UT4 already has one)



Definitely not a Quake clone. In the post I outlines some of the major differences between Reflex and Quake. They're pretty major; totally revamped movement system (with air control and the new jumps it feels nothing like Quake), rebalanced weapon system to favour high-skill/projectile weaponry over low-skill/hitscan weapons, instant weapon switching, and heaps more. It's closer to Quake than COD is... but it's definitely not a clone. Definitely not a Quake clone. In the post I outlines some of the major differences between Reflex and Quake. They're pretty major; totally revamped movement system (with air control and the new jumps it feelslike Quake), rebalanced weapon system to favour high-skill/projectile weaponry over low-skill/hitscan weapons, instant weapon switching, and heaps more. It's closer to Quake than COD is... but it's definitely not a clone.

Probemicro Profile Joined February 2014 3708 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-02 04:20:00 #7

Definitely not a Quake clone. In the post I outlines some of the major differences between Reflex and Quake. They're pretty major; totally revamped movement system (with air control and the new jumps it feels nothing like Quake), rebalanced weapon system to favour high-skill/projectile weaponry over low-skill/hitscan weapons, instant weapon switching, and heaps more. It's closer to Quake than COD is... but it's definitely not a clone.



none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.



Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshittery



and wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshitteryand wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD

deth2munkies Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 3925 Posts #8 On October 02 2014 13:07 Sanders wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2014 12:37 deth2munkies wrote:

Even if I were interested in Quake Live and its progeny, I wouldn't ever back anything like this without at least a playable tech demo.

And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few.

And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few.



Unlike other Kickstarter games that have either unique concepts for games or promises from original developers of recapturing former glory, this is (for all I know) 3 random dudes who want to clone Quake Live and bank almost 100% on the feel of the movement and pace of combat, things you can't tell from a video.



Unlike other Kickstarter games that have either unique concepts for games or promises from original developers of recapturing former glory, this is (for all I know) 3 random dudes who want to clone Quake Live and bank almost 100% on the feel of the movement and pace of combat, things you can't tell from a video.

Sanders Profile Joined June 2010 96 Posts #9 On October 02 2014 13:11 Probemicro wrote:

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Definitely not a Quake clone. In the post I outlines some of the major differences between Reflex and Quake. They're pretty major; totally revamped movement system (with air control and the new jumps it feels nothing like Quake), rebalanced weapon system to favour high-skill/projectile weaponry over low-skill/hitscan weapons, instant weapon switching, and heaps more. It's closer to Quake than COD is... but it's definitely not a clone.



none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.



Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshittery



and wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshitteryand wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD

Yeah, it's the next evolution from CPMA. I assume you haven't played it CPMA, but I can assure you it is a world away from Quake 3. Next to CPMA (and therefore Reflex), Quake 3 plays like a casual slowmo shooter. That comparison was slight hyperbole but not nearly as much as you might think.



There are a number of highly respected gamers currently play-testing it and if their feedback wasn't good I would not be excited about Reflex and I wouldn't have bothered writing that article. One of those players is Vo0 who is one of the best professional FPS players eSports has ever seen. He was a monster Painkiller player in 2004/2005 and won the MVP award during the 2005 season of the CPL which was the most prestigious eSports competition in the world at that time. All these guys say it's good, therefore it's good. Yeah, it's the next evolution from. I assume you haven't played it CPMA, but I can assure you it is a world away from Quake 3. Next to CPMA (and therefore Reflex), Quake 3 plays like a casual slowmo shooter. That comparison was slight hyperbole but not nearly as much as you might think.There are a number of highly respected gamers currently play-testing it and if their feedback wasn't good I would not be excited about Reflex and I wouldn't have bothered writing that article. One of those players is Vo0 who is one of the best professional FPS players eSports has ever seen. He was a monster Painkiller player in 2004/2005 and won the MVP award during the 2005 season of the CPL which was the most prestigious eSports competition in the world at that time. All these guys say it's good, therefore it's good.

Sanders Profile Joined June 2010 96 Posts #10 On October 02 2014 13:26 deth2munkies wrote:

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On October 02 2014 13:07 Sanders wrote:

On October 02 2014 12:37 deth2munkies wrote:

Even if I were interested in Quake Live and its progeny, I wouldn't ever back anything like this without at least a playable tech demo.

And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few.

And seriously, a playable tech demo? That just means you'd never back anything on Kickstarter. The prototype is out there and it's being heavily play tested and streamed by notable players like entik, memphis, and Vo0 (MVP of the 2005 CPL season) to name a few.



Unlike other Kickstarter games that have either unique concepts for games or promises from original developers of recapturing former glory, this is (for all I know) 3 random dudes who want to clone Quake Live and bank almost 100% on the feel of the movement and pace of combat, things you can't tell from a video.



Unlike other Kickstarter games that have either unique concepts for games or promises from original developers of recapturing former glory, this is (for all I know) 3 random dudes who want to clone Quake Live and bank almost 100% on the feel of the movement and pace of combat, things you can't tell from a video.

I have this nagging suspicion that I'm not going to convince you of the merits of Reflex but I'll just address this last point. The Kickstarter page has a brief summary of the devs and they look as legit as you get. To illustrate this; in the last year (working part time) they've built a damn good engine from scratch. I have this nagging suspicion that I'm not going to convince you of the merits of Reflexbut I'll just address this last point. The Kickstarter page has a brief summary of the devs and they look as legit as you get. To illustrate this; in the last year (working part time) they've built a damn good engine from scratch.

Censor Profile Joined March 2011 United States 122 Posts #11 Thanks for posting this. I'm now crazy hype and I had no idea this was even a thing, finally a game that looks good enough to make me stop playing quake live Fantasy | Hydra | Flash

Just_a_Moth Profile Joined March 2012 Canada 1676 Posts #12 The movement of and jumps look cool. The only that bothers me is that it looks like you can just barely land on platforms on jumps where I would expect to not quite make it. And all the jumps in the video were pretty much like that.

Probemicro Profile Joined February 2014 3708 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-02 06:34:29 #13 On October 02 2014 13:37 Sanders wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2014 13:11 Probemicro wrote:



Definitely not a Quake clone. In the post I outlines some of the major differences between Reflex and Quake. They're pretty major; totally revamped movement system (with air control and the new jumps it feels nothing like Quake), rebalanced weapon system to favour high-skill/projectile weaponry over low-skill/hitscan weapons, instant weapon switching, and heaps more. It's closer to Quake than COD is... but it's definitely not a clone.



none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.



Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshittery



and wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD none of those are new concepts and some are already in CDMA.Don't get me wrong, this game looks decent, but calling it "heir apparent to Esports" when a playable public demo is not even released yet is just sales bullshitteryand wtf pls dont bring CoD into this, this game is an 90s/early 00s arena shooter style while CoD is a casual slowmo realism shooter, any true hardcore fps players dont give a shit about CoD

Yeah, it's the next evolution from CPMA. I assume you haven't played it CPMA, but I can assure you it is a world away from Quake 3. Next to CPMA (and therefore Reflex), Quake 3 plays like a casual slowmo shooter. That comparison was slight hyperbole but not nearly as much as you might think.



Yeah, it's the next evolution from. I assume you haven't played it CPMA, but I can assure you it is a world away from Quake 3. Next to CPMA (and therefore Reflex), Quake 3 plays like a casual slowmo shooter. That comparison was slight hyperbole but not nearly as much as you might think.



Original quake 3 is still very fast paced which CoD has nothing on. "Heir apparent to esports throne" is also one of the best hyperboles I've heard for a game that has not been tested publicly yet. And who says you can't have a demo simply cause you are in kick starter.



I'm more of an avid UT player and watched the competitive matches sometimes, so things like air control, fast weapon switching are nothing new in the competitive sense. And other than the hopping/jumping tricks (which you can see in other fps games/mods like CS tf2) it's still quake through and through. So don't pitch your sales thing to us like we are ignorant of what even quake is. Original quake 3 is still very fast paced which CoD has nothing on. "Heir apparent to esports throne" is also one of the best hyperboles I've heard for a game that has not been tested publicly yet. And who says you can't have a demo simply cause you are in kick starter.I'm more of an avid UT player and watched the competitive matches sometimes, so things like air control, fast weapon switching are nothing new in the competitive sense. And other than the hopping/jumping tricks (which you can see in other fps games/mods like CS tf2) it's still quake through and through. So don't pitch your sales thing to us like we are ignorant of what even quake is.

Sanders Profile Joined June 2010 96 Posts #14 On October 02 2014 15:10 Just_a_Moth wrote:

The movement of and jumps look cool. The only that bothers me is that it looks like you can just barely land on platforms on jumps where I would expect to not quite make it. And all the jumps in the video were pretty much like that.

You mean it looks like the guy in the video shouldn't be landing the jumps? It looks normal to me but I've been trick-jumping in CPMA for years. You'll come to love the movement physics. You mean it looks like the guy in the video shouldn't be landing the jumps? It looks normal to me but I've been trick-jumping in CPMA for years. You'll come to love the movement physics.

ramon Profile Joined April 2011 Germany 3008 Posts #15 how does CPMA (which i havent played) compare to warsow in terms of movement? bisu

beg Profile Joined May 2010 991 Posts Last Edited: 2014-10-02 09:40:04 #16 On October 02 2014 16:40 ramon wrote:

how does CPMA (which i havent played) compare to warsow in terms of movement?

It's pretty much identical, except that CPMA (or other Quake-like games) don't have "the dash". Dash is only in Warsow.



(Most Quake-like games use CPMA movement.) It's pretty much identical, except that CPMA (or other Quake-like games) don't have "the dash". Dash is only in Warsow.(Most Quake-like games use CPMA movement.)

maartendq Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Belgium 3115 Posts #17 It's about time this whole kickstarter trend comes to an end. It's basically developers begging for money without having anything to show.



Also, testers should get paid, not pay to test.

beg Profile Joined May 2010 991 Posts #18 On October 02 2014 19:18 maartendq wrote:

It's about time this whole kickstarter trend comes to an end. It's basically developers begging for money without having anything to show.



Also, testers should get paid, not pay to test.

I don't see how Kickstarter is coming to an end here. I also don't see how the "early access" business model is coming to an end here.



Hmmm...







I think Kickstarter is pretty awesome... Thinking about the great games and stuff it brought us, I'm sure Kickstarter will last for a while. I don't see how Kickstarter is coming to an end here. I also don't see how the "early access" business model is coming to an end here.Hmmm...I think Kickstarter is pretty awesome... Thinking about the great games and stuff it brought us, I'm sure Kickstarter will last for a while.

RoieTRS Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 2495 Posts #19 Felt like I missed something having not played quake3arena/quakelive. It seems like my ideal type of game that I just never got introduced to. konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"

Probemicro Profile Joined February 2014 3708 Posts #20 On October 02 2014 19:24 beg wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2014 19:18 maartendq wrote:

It's about time this whole kickstarter trend comes to an end. It's basically developers begging for money without having anything to show.



Also, testers should get paid, not pay to test.

I don't see how Kickstarter is coming to an end here. I also don't see how the "early access" business model is coming to an end here.



Hmmm...



I think Kickstarter is pretty awesome... Thinking about the great games and stuff it brought us, I'm sure Kickstarter will last for a while. I don't see how Kickstarter is coming to an end here. I also don't see how the "early access" business model is coming to an end here.Hmmm...I think Kickstarter is pretty awesome... Thinking about the great games and stuff it brought us, I'm sure Kickstarter will last for a while.



crowdfunding is good but the developer must fulfil their end of the bargain to not let their donors down by actually having the product they advertise. and what better proof is there by releasing a tech demo.



for every success story there are others where no product materialise at the end or people just run off with the money crowdfunding is good but the developer must fulfil their end of the bargain to not let their donors down by actually having the product they advertise. and what better proof is there by releasing a tech demo.for every success story there are others where no product materialise at the end or people just run off with the money

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