clocks11

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00000 1 recommendation clocks11 Member Versus Docsis 3.1 It is interesting Comcast is pushing forward with these expensive services, when fast D3.1 plans should be a year or so away, and should be priced much cheaper. I realize any D3.1 plans will not be 2gb, but will be fast enough for most people.



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Snohomish, WA 1 recommendation tshirt Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 It's really just for those who that NEED/WANT it now. the 99.9% will be fine with coax solutions for a long time.



caster

@sysvana.com caster Anon Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 Even then they just say the cost to run fiber to you is to high too bad.

existenz

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Caps and price/performance ratio are really the primary factors now given most ISPs are upgrading speeds. 2Gbit is way more than most could use and even 1Gbit - paying over $80/month for internet not a good deal for most. I have a Gbit and am a power user yet really don't need more than 300M, even so $70 for a Gbit is better than $70 for 300M. Very few use cases today where faster is better after 300M, basically data replication or constant large file transfers. When I first got Gbit, most cloud drive services were peaking at 100-300M, now they are peaking at 600M+ but very little use for over 300M otherwise.



DOCSIS 3.1 will be good enough for avg joe consumers but it depends if it comes with caps or priced too high. The good news is that broader Gbit presence is dropping the rates for reasonably fast tiers (25M-100M) where there is competition.



If a DOCSIS 3.1 market doesn't have competition, you may not be much better off.



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Colon, MI 1 recommendation B4Knight Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 I think 250-300M is also the real sweet spot. Although if a gigabit is offered at the same price or near it then you might as well take the gigabit option. » co-mo.net/Co-Mo_Connect/ ··· net.html



Zenit

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Actually, its not that surprising. Comcast gets to expand its last mile fiber plant deeper and deeper, and the customers who want said 2gbps symmetric service pay for the extension of the fiber plant through the high cost of installation and service. Most of these fiber installs add another deeper fiber splice point near the customers home - from here they could split nodes or go full FTTP if there are enough spare fibers (depending on technology chosen).



It is a win-win for everyone involved. Comcast gets to upgrade its plant at a lower cost, demanding customers get an enterprise grade 2gbps circuit, other customers in the area will eventually benefit from future node splits or HFC->FTTP conversions.

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Mineral Wells, TX Cobra11M Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 but with caps you wont be able to ever truly use it



Zenit

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Purcellville, VA 5 recommendations Zenit Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 said by Cobra11M: but with caps you wont be able to ever truly use it



There are a few reasons Comcast is selling this 2gbps service well below what it would cost when sold to a business. It does not have an SLA and it restricts you from running servers (although that restriction is soft and intended to stop people from running a datacenter in the home, it is not a total 100% ban). Residential users are highly unlikely to be able to saturate the full 2gbps speeds. It has the added plus of customers financing plant expansion as well.



To put things short - the 2gbps tier is technically a product of the Business/Enterprise side of Comcast, not the Residential/SOHO one. This side of the company sells circuits to Cellular providers, other ISP's, datacenters, companies, governments, etc. These kinds of circuits will not have caps applied to them. When will this meme stop...this product is not an HFC-based home product. There are no caps on the 2gbps service, nor will there be caps on it.There are a few reasons Comcast is selling this 2gbps service well below what it would cost when sold to a business. It does not have an SLA and it restricts you from running servers (although that restriction is soft and intended to stop people from running a datacenter in the home, it is not a total 100% ban). Residential users are highly unlikely to be able to saturate the full 2gbps speeds. It has the added plus of customers financing plant expansion as well.To put things short - the 2gbps tier is technically a product of the Business/Enterprise side of Comcast, not the Residential/SOHO one. This side of the company sells circuits to Cellular providers, other ISP's, datacenters, companies, governments, etc. These kinds of circuits will not have caps applied to them.



ieolus

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Danbury, CT ieolus Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 The meme will stop when Comcast stops capping service, whichever service that happens to be.

smk11

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Fiberhoods get the fiber. DOCSIS is for the unprofitable plebes.



I still think DOCSIS3.1-hoods will exist as well.

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Warner Robins, GA 2 recommendations davidhoffman Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 There is no good reason to leave D3.0 out there for too long a time. Huge inefficiencies would exist during that time. The complete turnover to D3.1 will be long, but I predict it will occur.

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join:2014-11-12 smk11 Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 said by davidhoffman: There is no good reason to leave D3.0 out there for too long a time. Huge inefficiencies would exist during that time. The complete turnover to D3.1 will be long, but I predict it will occur.



"We have not deployed DOCSIS 3.1 to these areas due to XYZ. We must institute caps in these areas. It is merely a coincidence that these areas have no competition." Justifies higher caps to the public and regulators."We have not deployed DOCSIS 3.1 to these areas due to XYZ. We must institute caps in these areas. It is merely a coincidence that these areas have no competition."



B4Knight

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Colon, MI B4Knight Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 What difference does DOCSIS 3.1 have in regards to caps? If the network was engineered well and has the appropriate backhaul to support the system then there is no justifiable reason for data caps. There are even some WISP's out there who don't have data caps and offer 50M connections at reasonable prices. Data caps are a money grab plain and simple.



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Purcellville, VA 1 recommendation Zenit Premium Member Re: Versus Docsis 3.1 DOCSIS3.1 makes more efficient use of RF spectrum due to the more efficient modulation schemes. Even if used with the traditional RF layout currently used in HFC plants DOCSIS3.1 makes it easier to reach 1gbps on an as-is 750mhz plant. DOCSIS3.0 barely can do 1gbps by bonding tons and tons of channels (32).



DOCSIS3.1 reduces the technical case for caps further, as the node bandwidth crunch becomes less of a problem. There was little to no case with DOCSIS3.0 as-is, as Comcast proved its network works just as well without caps as it does with. We saw many speed increases without caps and the network did not implode.



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said by smk11: Fiberhoods get the fiber. DOCSIS is for the unprofitable plebes. To be honest I don't even know if most of the people that live in range to get Gigabit Pro could even afford it, Since this is based of of comcast's metro-e network that is sold to businesses, I would think that fiber for metro-e would only be ran through mostly commercial districts and for long distance runs it is probably cheapest to string it on poles through poorer areas because most editions where people where more affluent people live require utility lines to be buried which is expensive, and most affluent editions probably aren't in or adjacent to a commercial district, and I don't see most middle-class people dropping the install cost + $300/mo even if they could fit it in the budget.



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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member That doesn't include a $500 installation fee, a $500 activation fee,.... The tribune article puts all those fees on a per case basis, even sounding like some might be free/or normal install for the easy ones.



It's nice that availability is spreading, and another 400k available is more then a drop in the bucket.



most homes will still be fine with existing D.3 speeds, with D3.1 likely before widespread 4k* demand.



*if 4k actually exists in a true UHD format

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who seriously needs 2 Gbps residential service? a family of 100+?



seriously where does Comcast get the numbers from?



Population, 2014 estimate 407,207

Housing units, 2010 178,287

Households, 2009-2013 165,438



»quickfacts.census.gov/qf ··· 000.html



someone care to chime in?

how many seconds to hit caps at any ratewho seriously needs 2 Gbps residential service? a family of 100+?seriously where does Comcast get the numbers from?Population, 2014 estimate 407,207Housing units, 2010 178,287Households, 2009-2013 165,438someone care to chime in?

existenz

join:2014-02-12 1 recommendation existenz Member Re: Caps and numbers don't add It's for 400K homes passed for MSP metro area (over 3M population), not Minneapolis city. Karl should have said metro, not city.



tshirt

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said by alexintexas: someone care to chime in? Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI area (and the franchise area) covers 3.8 million people and 1.4 residences/dwelling units . Not hard to see where they COULD serve up to 400k homes with this.

westdc

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Amissville, VA -6 recommendations westdc Member Cap Does it come with a 300 Gig Cap? or is it waived -LOL!



NathanO

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Seattle, WA 5 recommendations NathanO Member Re: Cap There is no usage limit on Gigabit Pro.



CodeeCB

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OMG you're so funny!!!! Oh just kidding by the way. I use 1.5tb a month on a 180mbps connection and don't get yelled at ever.



AngryIntern

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There are no caps on any comcast service in the Twin Cities.



CapInHand

@verizon.net -7 recommendations CapInHand Anon Don't forget Comcast's 2 Gbps Service comes with complementary 300 GB Cap And at that blazing speed you will be hitting the cap all that faster.



NathanO

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Seattle, WA 3 recommendations NathanO Member Re: Don't forget Comcast's 2 Gbps Service comes with complementary 300 GB Cap There is no usage limit on Gigabit Pro.



DataRiker

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00000 3 recommendations DataRiker Premium Member Re: Don't forget Comcast's 2 Gbps Service comes with complementary 300 GB Cap said by NathanO: There is no usage limit on Gigabit Pro. Sorry we get confused sine 99.99% of your other internet products have extremely low and arbitrary caps.