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Re: Investigators have identified the signal from one of the black boxes in the WTC Quote: do2read Originally Posted by

Yes, I will say that the first item in the document is a hoax, there were no black boxes. Certainly none that arrived by airplane.



1.) Another one I like is that 46,760 tons of debris were removed in a 12 hour period.



2.) A Tri-axle dump truck is usually set up to carry a 20-22 ton load. The size of the bed is set up such that a load of dense graded stone (with nearly no air) will produce such a weight. A load of debris has many materials lighter than rock, and also has a lot of air space between items, reducing weight. A more realistic weight for a debris truck would be 15 tons max.



3.) Even at 22 tons, it would take 2,125 loads in a 12 hour period, or an average of 177 loads per hour. Totally impossible. 3 loads leaving each minute, and that is giving all benefits of doubt.



4.) If they were talking about steel beams, we have seen the way they were carefully loaded. We could study the photos and look up the brand of truck and trailer to determine the load but it would be easier to generously estimate.Trailers are designed for the normal maximum legal weight limits. Even if the legal limits were suspended, the trailers would carry 35 tons.

Even at 35 tons, it would take 1,336 loads in 12 hours, 111 loads per hour.

Each load had to be rigged by men at the pile, picked up by a crane (we have seen these beams handled by cranes) carefully lowered onto the trucks. Some were also handled by teams of two large excavators with Pinchers, also not a rapid process. This process would have to be completed every 30 seconds to produce these results, and again, with the number of cranes and excavators on site, this is ridiculous.



5.) Since both alternatives are unachievable, there can be no combination of the two that could move this kind of debris in that time frame.



6.) Don't forget that all of this material had to be off loaded at Pier 25 too, in the same time frame. There are certainly not enough cranes on the Pier to once again move this material in such a preposterous time span.



Looks like once again, in the early days after 9/11, they are caught protesting too much.



7.) Stephanopoulis and Giuliani were already explaining the small debris pile on the morning of 9/12, when nobody was asking. Kinda like blurting out "I didn't do it" before any one asks.



8.) Here they are at it again. Throwing out absurd figures to over sell the idea that there was a huge pile, which had disappeared rapidly. We have proven over and over that neither was the case. There is no indication of trucks leaving the site at that pace, there would have been a steady stream.



9.) They knew the debris pile was their Achilles Heel. They had to sell it at every opportunity.

That document they provided is nearly a farce. They may as well claim Godzilla ate the debris overnight. Thanks for posting it caveman.

Tell a very Big Lie, repeat it often. 46,760 tons. Right.



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Maybe you saw 9/11 instead of 9/17!











1.) This document says 6 days instead of 12 hours for the 46,760 tons.



2.) Agreed with 15 ton per truck. [could be 16,4. See further on.]



3.) 46,760:6 days/144 hours, that would be 7793 ton per day, 325 ton per hour:15 ton a truck >> 22 trucks per hour. [If the trucks loaded 16,4 ton, that will reduce the loads to 20 per hour.]



4.) See 3.



5.) With a 35 ton per truck scenario, well let's be generous and make it 29,5 ton per truck. That would cut the numbers right in half, wich is 11 trucks per hour. 11 trucks X 29,5 = 324,5 ton X 144 hours = 46,728 ton.



6.)

Quote:

To accelerate steel removal, Weeks Marine Inc. has created two steel offloading areas that ramped up operations last week to transport debris by barge for recycling. The sites are located at Pier 25 on the Hudson River and at Pier 6 at the tip of lower Manhattan. The city's usual garbage removal facilities, which is handling smaller site debris, could not accommodate steel pieces.

Weeks was still dredging the Pier 25 site even as trucks began delivering steel to the site for offloading by crane to barges that can hold up to 3,000 tons. "That's equivalent to 150 truckloads," says Weeks Senior Vice President George Wittich. Business was slow at first as truck-drivers maneuvered through the site and city streets and had to pass muster with FBI officials checking for evidence. One site source says security was beefed up after some drivers sold steel privately to scrap dealers.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/debris.htm



AND.



Barges Near Stuyvesant High School To Stop Transportation of Ground Zero Debris Next Month -



"The operation has been winding down in recent weeks. 'There is one truck every 20 minutes - the sooner it's all over, the better for me. [At its peak], there would be 20 trucks lined up, sometimes 40.'

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/groundzerocleanup,freshkillssortingopera



I tried to find the original source, wich is the 'DownTownExpress'. But it doesn't go any further in the archives than; September 7, 2011.

http://www.downtownexpress.com/category/9-11-tenth-anniversary/page/2/





Quote: Originally Posted by NYSM 650 tons , delivered material to Fresh Kills.

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/recove...ngprocess.html Barges delivered World Trade Center remains to the facility, where they were then unloaded onto dump trucks and driven up the hill to be processed. In December 2001, up to 17 barges a day, some capable of holding, delivered material to Fresh Kills. 3,000 tons ...and now this? 650 tons ? WTF is happening here?



Quote: Originally Posted by APWA

http://www.apwa.net/Resources/Report...at-Ground-Zero A total of 508 barges of material were loaded by the Department at the 59th Street and Hamilton Avenue MTS's, and another 1,423 barges were loaded by the city's contractor, Weeks Marine, at Pier 6 and Pier 25. The basic unloading operation used stationary cranes that were already in place at the Fresh Kills Landfill to unload the World Trade Center debris onto a concrete apron. Onsite, front-end loaders placed the material into large payhaulers, which then transported the material to the stockpiles at the top of the landfill.







Let's see what we can find on 7,8 and 9.





Quote: Originally Posted by Fire engineering on september 14, 2001.

10,000 Tons of Debris Removed; Rain Slows Progress

New York -- Rescuers efforts through the night and into today have been hampered by rain. Debris has become saturated and is heavier now, and during the night rescue efforts were postponed until a thunderstorm passed through the area. Mayor Giuliani has confirmed that 10,000 tons of debris have been removed to date.

http://www.fireengineering.com/artic...-pentagon.html of Debris Removed; Rain Slows ProgressNew York -- Rescuers efforts through the night and into today have been hampered by rain. Debris has become saturated and is heavier now, and during the night rescue efforts were postponed until a thunderstorm passed through the area. 10,000 ton in 3 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by ABC news on september 16, 2001. 21,000 tons of debris, using 1,200 truckloads. But when they tunnel into the wreckage, it lets in more air and often has the effect of feeding oxygen to the smoldering fires and hot debris.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92492&page=1 Rescue workers have now cleared awayof debris, using 1,200 truckloads. But when they tunnel into the wreckage, it lets in more air and often has the effect of feeding oxygen to the smoldering fires and hot debris. 21,000 ton in 5 days.



The first article says;



46,760 tons in 6 days.





Quote: Originally Posted by ABC news, on september 20, 2001.

Crews have removed 68,943 tons of debris from the site, but an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92468&page=1 Crews have removedof debris from the site, but an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all. 68,943 tons in 9 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by ABC News, on september 21, 2001.

During the recovery effort, 5,476 trucks have removed 76,459 tons of debris from the site. But an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92454&page=1 During the recovery effort,have removedof debris from the site. But an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all. 76,459 ton in 10 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by Time, on september 22, 2001

90,937 Tons of debris removed from the World Trade Center site as of Sept. 22, 2001

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...#ixzz24NYpgMpm 90,937 ton in 11 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by CNN on tuesday september 25, 2001

FEMA said Monday that 101,164 tons of debris have been removed from the disaster site.

About 1.2 million more tons remain.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-25/u...-site?_s=PM:US FEMA said Monday thatof debris have been removed from the disaster site.About 1.2 million more tons remain. 101,164 ton in 13 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by Yale Law School on september 25, 2001.

The Corps continues to work on the debris operations plan for consideration by New York City and FEMA. By New York City estimates, debris removal to date has topped more than 108,756 tons. Official estimates of total debris is 1.2 million tons. The Corps has completed its final draft for the USACE piece of the debris operations plan for FEMA approval. Part of the debris challenge is in determining appropriate disposition for the material in terms of identifying what can be recycled, placed in landfills or at offshore disposal areas.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/sept11/eng_007.asp The Corps continues to work on the debris operations plan for consideration by New York City and FEMA. By New York City estimates, debris removal to date has topped more thanOfficial estimates of total debris is 1.2 million tons. The Corps has completed its final draft for the USACE piece of the debris operations plan for FEMA approval. Part of the debris challenge is in determining appropriate disposition for the material in terms of identifying what can be recycled, placed in landfills or at offshore disposal areas. 108,756 ton in 14 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by ABC News, on september 25, 2001.

To help the recovery effort, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has awarded an emergency contract for dredging work to be done around Pier 6 on the East River to increase the depth there to 17 feet to make it easier for barges to enter and take away debris. So far, 115,755 tons of debris has been removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92426&page=1

115,755 tons in 14 days. [ see ^the same date september 25th]





Quote: Originally Posted by ABC, on september 27, 2001.

The equipment is doing more work than men at this point, and the effort is beginning to take a toll on the machines as well as their operators, with only about 10 percent of the 1.2 million tons of debris that once made up the World Trade Center removed.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92411&page=1 The equipment is doing more work than men at this point, and the effort is beginning to take a toll on the machines as well as their operators, with only aboutof the 1.2 million tons of debris that once made up the World Trade Center removed. 120 ton in 16 days. [should be 120,000 ton imao]





Quote: Originally Posted by CNN, on september 28, 2001.

More than 128,050 tons of debris have been removed from the 16-acre site where the World Trade Center collapsed, he said.



http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-28/u...uries?_s=PM:US More thanof debris have been removed from the 16-acre site where the World Trade Center collapsed, he said. 128,050 ton in 17 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by Telegraph Uk on september 29, 2001.

So far, about 130,000 t ons of the debris have been removed after the recovery of 306 bodies and many hundreds of body parts. Officials now estimate that more than a million tons of rubble remain, almost twice the original estimate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-ruins.html So far, aboutof the debris have been removed after the recovery of 306 bodies and many hundreds of body parts. Officials now estimate that more than a million tons of rubble remain, almost twice the original estimate. 130,000 ton in 18 days.





Quote: Originally Posted by CNN, on september 28, 2001.

Workers already have removed around 134,000 t ons of debris from around the World Trade Center complex, but more than 1 million more tons of rubble remain.

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/28/rec.wtc.efforts/index.html Workers already have removed aroundof debris from around the World Trade Center complex, but more than 1 million more tons of rubble remain. 134 ton in 17 days. [ should be 134,000 ton imao But specially, see the other 28 september? ^ ]



Quote: Originally Posted by 911 memorial, on september 28, 2001.

More than 134 tons of material have been removed; NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani estimates that the cleanup will take “anywhere from nine months to a year.”

http://www.911memorial.org/rescue-recovery More thanof material have been removed; NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani estimates that the cleanup will take “anywhere from nine months to a year.” 134 ton in 17 days. [should be 134,000 imao]



Quote: Originally Posted by George Washingthon University 145,000 tons of debris was removed from the WTC site inclusive of the steel designated for recycling. As of 21 May 2002, 1,625,550 tons of debris had been removed from the WTC site.

http://www.gwu.edu/~icdrm/publicatio...usacerole.html By the end of 29 Sept., approximatelyof debris was removed from the WTC site inclusive of the steel designated for recycling. As of 21 May 2002, 1,625,550 tons of debris had been removed from the WTC site. 145,000 ton in 18 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by NY daily news, on april 16, 2002.

Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2002-04-16/news/18191779_1_girder-plate-steel 185,101 ton in 215 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by NY Times, on october 13, 2001

Already, working around the clock, 1,300 construction workers and other personnel -- including 160 firefighters and 90 police officers -- have removed an extraordinary volume of debris: 290,000 t ons of the estimated 1.2 million at the site.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/13/nyregion/nation-challenged-site-slowed-site-s-fragility-heavy-lifting-has-only-begun.html Already, working around the clock, 1,300 construction workers and other personnel -- including 160 firefighters and 90 police officers -- have removed an extraordinary volume of debris:of the estimated 1.2 million at the site. 290,000 ton in 32 days. And 185,101 ton in 215 days! WTF is going on.



But a 'puzzling' estimated 1,2 million number for a source in NEW YORK??

That is not even close to the 1,8 million they all mention?



Quote: Originally Posted by Januari 10, 2002.

Recovery crews reach a milestone. 1,000,000 tons of debris have been removed.

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/Bu...Detail/442.php Recovery crews reach a milestone.of debris have been removed. 1 million ton in 120 days.





Quote: Originally Posted by EPA, tuesday, January 22, 2002.

About 12-15 barges arrive daily, ferrying debris from Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan. To process 8,000 tons of rubble a day, authorities have enlisted a company in the Town of Montgomery to help the 24 city, state and federal agencies at the landfill.

[...]

The debris recovery effort hit the * 1.1 million-ton mark Friday* - and there's 400,000 million tons of World Trade Center rubble to go until the job is finished in either April or May.

http://www.epa.gov/region2/demolition/casestud.htm About 12-15 barges arrive daily, ferrying debris from Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan. To process 8,000 tons of rubble a day, authorities have enlisted a company in the Town of Montgomery to help the 24 city, state and federal agencies at the landfill.[...]The debris recovery effort hit the- and there's 1,1 million ton in 127 days, on *friday januari 18*. 12-15 barges on a daily basis.





Quote: Originally Posted by 911 memorial, may 10, 2002.

Along with 1.4 million tons of debris removed from the site, 19,435 body parts have been recovered from ground zero.

http://www.911memorial.org/rescue-recovery Along withof debris removed from the site, 19,435 body parts have been recovered from ground zero. 1,4 million ton in 240 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by Debra K. Rubin, 7 months later.

Seven months later, Ground Zero is no longer the nightmare it once was. The pain of Sept. 11 still lingers for the families, friends and colleagues of the more than 2,800 WTC victims, as well as for those at the Pentagon and on United Flight 93. The landmark towers are gone but the wound they left at the 16-acre WTC site is healing. More than 1.6 million tons of debris has been removed. Cleanup, site stabilization, infrastructure repair and reconstruction preparation are nearly finished, and redevelopment plans are emerging, if slowly.

http://enr.construction.com/people/people/archives/020422a.asp Seven months later, Ground Zero is no longer the nightmare it once was. The pain of Sept. 11 still lingers for the families, friends and colleagues of the more than 2,800 WTC victims, as well as for those at the Pentagon and on United Flight 93. The landmark towers are gone but the wound they left at the 16-acre WTC site is healing. More thanof debris has been removed. Cleanup, site stabilization, infrastructure repair and reconstruction preparation are nearly finished, and redevelopment plans are emerging, if slowly. 1,6 million ton in 210 days.



Bit confusing here.



The 911 memorial page says may 10, 2002! Wich is 8 months and they mention 1,4 million ton.



The article that Debra K Rubin wrote, there was 1,6 million removed in just 7 months?? [That would be april.]



Quote: Originally Posted by 911 memorial 9 months later

At the three attack sites, days and weeks - and months as was the case with New York City – were spent extinguishing fires, searching for survivors and, ultimately, searching for remains of the victims. It took nine months to remove approximately 1.8 million tons from the WTC site.

http://www.911memorial.org/rescue-recovery At the three attack sites, days and weeks - and months as was the case with New York City – were spent extinguishing fires, searching for survivors and, ultimately, searching for remains of the victims. It took nine months to remove approximately 1.8 million tons from the WTC site. 1.8 million ton in 270 days.



Quote: Originally Posted by 911 memorial, june 25, 2002.

The last truckload of debris is carried out of the World Trade Center site. More than 110,000 truckloads of debris have been removed from ground zero.

http://www.911memorial.org/rescue-recovery The last truckload of debris is carried out of the World Trade Center site. More thantruckloads of debris have been removed from ground zero.



Quote: Originally Posted by History.com

By May 2002, when the cleanup officially ended, workers had moved more than 108,000 truckloads–1.8 million tons–of rubble to a Staten Island landfill.

http://www.history.com/topics/ground-zero By May 2002, when the cleanup officially ended, workers had moved more thantruckloads–1.8 million tons–of rubble to a Staten Island landfill. Quote: Originally Posted by NYSM

A total of 108,342 trucks and barges transported material to the Fresh Kills facility on Staten Island, where it was thoroughly sifted to help identify human remains, personal effects and physical evidence from the hijacked planes. Some structural steel went directly to recyclers.

http://www.nysm.nysed.gov/wtc/recovery/groundzero.html A total oftrucks and barges transported material to the Fresh Kills facility on Staten Island, where it was thoroughly sifted to help identify human remains, personal effects and physical evidence from the hijacked planes. Some structural steel went directly to recyclers. 108,000 trucks, 108,342 trucks, 110,000 trucks.



Let's continue...110,000 trucks in 9 months and 14 days [284 days].

That is an averaged 387 ton per day.



110,000 trucks times 15 ton per truck would be close to the estimated 1,8 million ton. But 110,000 trucks times 15 ton per truck is 1,65 million ton? So i am missing 150,000 ton here, unless the trucks loaded 16,4 ton a piece and that times 110,000 trucks covers "just about" the 1,8 million ton.



Quote: Originally Posted by APWA

The Fresh Kills Landfill received approximately 1.4 million tons of WTC debris of which 200,000 tons of steel were recycled by a recycling vendor (Hugo Neu Schnitzer). The remaining material, approximately 1.2 million tons of WTC debris, was landfilled on the western side of Section 1/9 at the Fresh Kills Landfill in a 40-acre site.

The project had come up to speed quickly, processing from 1,750 tons per day of debris in mid-September to 17,500 tons per day by mid-October. Average throughput over the duration of the project was 4,900 tons of debris processed per day.

http://www.apwa.net/Resources/Report...at-Ground-Zero The Fresh Kills Landfill received approximatelyof whichThe remaining material, approximately 1.2 million tons of WTC debris, was landfilled on the western side of Section 1/9 at the Fresh Kills Landfill in a 40-acre site.The project had come up to speed quickly, processing from 1,750 tons per day of debris in mid-September to 17,500 tons per day by mid-October. Average throughput over the duration of the project was 4,900 tons of debris processed per day. Quote: Originally Posted by ABC News.

During the recovery effort, 5,476 trucks have removed 76,459 tons of debris from the site. But an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92454&page=1 During the recovery effort, 5,476 trucks have removed 76,459 tons of debris from the site. But an estimatedremain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all. Quote: Originally Posted by NY Times.

the estimated 1.2 million at the site.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/13/nyregion/nation-challenged-site-slowed-site-s-fragility-heavy-lifting-has-only-begun.html the estimatedat the site. Quote: Originally Posted by New York mag.

Tons of debris removed from site: 1,506,124.

http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/1year/numbers.htm Tons of debris removed from site: Quote: Originally Posted by 911 memorial.

1.8 million tons from the WTC site.

http://www.911memorial.org/rescue-recovery from the WTC site.



Some weird numbers? The biggest diffence is 600,000 ton or more ???



Maybe you can find some answers here.

http://letsrollforums.com/mayor-giul...10-t25683.html



Quote: Originally Posted by Telegraph UK on september 29, 2001.

THE theft of more than 250 tons of steel from the ruins of the World Trade Centre is being investigated by the FBI and New York police who believe that it was organised by one of the city's Mafia families.



Material from the scene of





It appears that the scrap was hauled away by trucks involved in the clear-up operation. But instead of being taken to the FBI-controlled dump on Staten Island where all the material is being stored and sifted it was driven directly to the independently-owned scrapyards.





Police sources said yesterday that no human remains were in the scrap. One detective said: "It does make you wonder, though, how low some people will stoop.



"This was a disgusting crime aimed solely at deriving financial gain from the scene of our nation's greatest tragedy. It is difficult to control the movement of material because there is so much of it.





Even so, it's hard to believe that with more than 6,000 people dead, it would be taken for profit." A grand jury is being convened in New York to look at the evidence gathered by the New York Police Department, the FBI and the state's Trade Waste Commission.





It is estimated that the scrap metal value of the 255 tons so far recovered would be about £10,000. The detective said: "That is not a great deal in itself but the operation to steal from the WTC was obviously not going to be limited to the 255 tons we have found."



Police are understood to be looking at the role of known associates of some of the city's five Mafia families, who have decades-long connections with the waste disposal business and whose stranglehold on rubbish collections in New York was broken by the current mayor, Rudy Giuliani.



Officers working on a tip-off found 75 tons of material at a scrapyard in Deer Park, Long Island, on Monday. They subsequently raided two New Jersey scrapyards and found another 180 tons.



Trucks delivering rubble from the site of the tragedy in lower Manhattan to the Fresh Kills landfill site on Staten Island are now getting official escorts but, until last week, trucks were travelling alone.



There have been other reports of thefts from the World Trade Centre site, including



So far, about 130,000 tons of the debris have been removed after the recovery of 306 bodies and many hundreds of body parts. Officials now estimate that more than a million tons of rubble remain, almost twice the original estimate.



Mr Giuliani said yesterday that it could take more than a year for the site to be cleared. New and contradictory figures emerged yesterday over the number of people still listed as missing in the World Trade Centre since the attack.



The official police estimate currently stands at 5,960, but the total recorded at the families' centre in New York is 4,260. Mr Giuliani said the true figure, which includes those killed in the two aircraft and the bodies recovered, "probably lies somewhere between the two".







http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-ruins.html Material from the scene of the September 11 terrorist attack , consisting mainly of steel girders, was discovered earlier this week at three scrapyards, two in New Jersey and one on Long Island.It appears that the scrap was hauled away by trucks involved in the clear-up operation. But instead of being taken to the FBI-controlled dump on Staten Island where all the material is being stored and sifted it was driven directly to the independently-owned scrapyards.Police sources said yesterday that no human remains were in the scrap. One detective said: "It does make you wonder, though, how low some people will stoop."This was a disgusting crime aimed solely at deriving financial gain from the scene of our nation's greatest tragedy. It is difficult to control the movement of material because there is so much of it.Even so, it's hard to believe that with more than 6,000 people dead, it would be taken for profit." A grand jury is being convened in New York to look at the evidence gathered by the New York Police Department, the FBI and the state's Trade Waste Commission.It is estimated that the scrap metal value of the 255 tons so far recovered would be about £10,000. The detective said: "That is not a great deal in itself but the operation to steal from the WTC was obviously not going to be limited to the 255 tons we have found."Police are understood to be looking at the role of known associates of some of the city's five Mafia families, who have decades-long connections with the waste disposal business and whose stranglehold on rubbish collections in New York was broken by the current mayor, Rudy Giuliani.Officers working on a tip-off found 75 tons of material at a scrapyard in Deer Park, Long Island, on Monday. They subsequently raided two New Jersey scrapyards and found another 180 tons.Trucks delivering rubble from the site of the tragedy in lower Manhattan to the Fresh Kills landfill site on Staten Island are now getting official escorts but, until last week, trucks were travelling alone.There have been other reports of thefts from the World Trade Centre site, including watches stolen from a shop in an underground mall . Souvenir-hunters have also been caught taking pieces of the rubble from the flatbed trucks hauling it away.So far, about 130,000 tons of the debris have been removed after the recovery of 306 bodies and many hundreds of body parts. Officials now estimate that more than a million tons of rubble remain, almost twice the original estimate.Mr Giuliani said yesterday that it could take more than a year for the site to be cleared. New and contradictory figures emerged yesterday over the number of people still listed as missing in the World Trade Centre since the attack.The official police estimate currently stands at 5,960, but the total recorded at the families' centre in New York is 4,260. Mr Giuliani said the true figure, which includes those killed in the two aircraft and the bodies recovered, "probably lies somewhere between the two". Quote: Originally Posted by Phil Jayhan That's how they built the hollow towers in case anyone here doesn't realize this yet.



Organized crime built the towers, helped bring them down, helped clear the debris pile, and is now helping in the construction of the new "freedom tower."

Italians sure did a good job with removing that steel.



Quote: Originally Posted by ABC news During the recovery effort, 5,476 trucks have removed 76,459 tons of debris from the site. But an estimated 1 million to 2 million tons remain, and officials have said it will take at least six months to clear it all.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92454&page=1

76.459 tons times 2 = 152.918 X 10 = 1.529.180 tons.

+ 480 trucks to complete the 110.000 trucks x 16,4 ton a truck. Makes a total of 1.537.052 Ton.



Quote: Originally Posted by Fema

Compared to the typical USACE response operations, it was a small scale disaster; yet, it was the largest search and rescue and debris removal mission in U.S. history. As of May 21, 2002, 1,625,550 tons of debris had been removed from the WTC site.

Source Compared to the typical USACE response operations, it was a small scale disaster; yet, it was the largest search and rescue and debris removal mission in U.S. history.of debris had been removed from the WTC site. Quote: Originally Posted by DEC New York

Fresh Kills Landfill, once the largest operating landfill in the state, ceased receiving the city's municipal solid waste on March 22, 2001. Following the collapse of the World Trade Center, the landfill was reopened to receive disaster debris for staging, searching, recovery and later for disposal. In all, approximately 1,650,000 tons of debris and steel were taken to the landfill.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/8498.html Fresh Kills Landfill, once the largest operating landfill in the state, ceased receiving the city's municipal solid waste on March 22, 2001. Following the collapse of the World Trade Center, the landfill was reopened to receive disaster debris for staging, searching, recovery and later for disposal. In all, approximatelyof debris and steel were taken to the landfill. Quote: Originally Posted by Phillips & Jordan inc

At the close of the project the Landfill had received and processed over 1,462,000 tons of debris , over 55,000 discrete pieces of evidence had been found, 4,257 body parts had been recovered, and 209 victims had been positively identified. In addition to awards from the NYPD and FBI we earned an Outstanding Performance Evaluation from the Corps and were named National Civil Works Contractor of the Year.

http://www.pandj.com/markets/project...x?jn=PIRS00008 At the close of the project the Landfill had received and processed over, over 55,000 discrete pieces of evidence had been found, 4,257 body parts had been recovered, and 209 victims had been positively identified. In addition to awards from the NYPD and FBI we earned an Outstanding Performance Evaluation from the Corps and were named National Civil Works Contractor of the Year. Quote: Originally Posted by Harvard news about Phillips & Jordan inc

In the end, the company removed 1.2 tons of debris, 125,000 tons of glass, 250 tons of steel, 450 cubic yards of concrete, 12,000 miles of electrical cable, and 198 miles of ductwork.

Because the World Trade Center was a crime scene, Phillips & Jordan created a 3,000-acre facility at a Staten Island landfill to sort debris for evidence and human remains. A medical examiner and an anthropologist examined bones to ensure that they were human.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/stor...rganize-chaos/ In the end, the company removed125,000 tons of glass, 250 tons of steel, 450 cubic yards of concrete, 12,000 miles of electrical cable, and 198 miles of ductwork.Because the World Trade Center was a crime scene,created a 3,000-acre facility at a Staten Island landfill to sort debris for evidence and human remains. A medical examiner and an anthropologist examined bones to ensure that they were human. Quote: Originally Posted by FBI New York

The FBI immediately started planning the staggering task of sifting through 1.8 million tons of debris from the World Trade Center. The men and women of the FBI vowed to recover as many remains of the victims and their personal belongings as possible. They also had to collect evidence to identify everyone responsible.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/ten-year...e-and-recovery The FBI immediately started planning the staggering task of sifting throughof debris from the World Trade Center. The men and women of the FBI vowed to recover as many remains of the victims and their personal belongings as possible. They also had to collect evidence to identify everyone responsible. "1,8 million"...it would be 1,8 million.



1,537,052 ton is hauled away from Ground Zero, the estimate was 1,6 million or 1,8 million ton by much authorities. Either way there is a hugh amount of WTC steel missing....



Quote: The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html "Gino"...and 9 trucks for the city, 1 truck for "Luka" 9 trucks for the city, 1 truck for "Mario"....and 9 trucks for the city etcetcetc, and that while the rates were around the $120,- a ton.



Quote: As a result, asbestos-containing products like insulation, drywall, steel and fireproofing materials were incorporated into a number of structures within the World Trade Center buildings. An estimated 400 tons of asbestos were used.

http://www.asbestos.com/world-trade-center/ Larry. Is there a possible chance that you didn't read the article well enough?Maybe you saw 9/11 instead of 9/17!1.) This document says 6 days instead of 12 hours for thetons.2.) Agreed with 15 ton per truck. [could be 16,4. See further on.]3.) 46,7606 days/144 hours, that would be 7793 ton per day, 325 ton per hour15 ton a truck >> 22 trucks per hour. [If the trucks loaded 16,4 ton, that will reduce the loads to 20 per hour.]4.) See 3.5.) With a 35 ton per truck scenario, well let's be generous and make it 29,5 ton per truck. That would cut the numbers right in half, wich is 11 trucks per hour. 11 trucks X 29,5 = 324,5 ton X 144 hours =6.)Barges that can hold up to...and now this?? WTF is happening here?1,931 barges in total.Let's see what we can find on 7,8 and 9.The first article says;But aestimated 1,2 million number for a source in NEW YORK??That is not even close to the 1,8 million they all mention?The article that Debra K Rubin wrote, there was 1,6 million removed in just 7 months??[That would be april.]Always more than? Why no correct numbers, like 110,011 trucks?Let's continue...110,000 trucks in 9 months and 14 days [284 days].That is an averaged 387 ton per day.110,000 trucks times 15 ton per truck would be close to the estimated 1,8 million ton. But 110,000 trucks times 15 ton per truck is 1,65 million ton? So i am missing 150,000 ton here, unless the trucks loaded 16,4 ton a piece and that times 110,000 trucks coversthe 1,8 million ton.Some weird numbers? The biggest diffence is???Maybe you can find some answers here.Thesesure did a good job with removingsteel.5.476 trucks times 2 = 10.952 X 10 = 109.520 trucks.76.459 tons times 2 = 152.918 X 10 = 1.529.180 tons.+ 480 trucks to complete the 110.000 trucks x 16,4 ton a truck. Makes a total ofI like so called "official sources"! So, if they sayit would be 1,8 million.1 truck full with steel forand 9 trucks for the city, 1 truck for9 trucks for the city, 1 truck forand 9 trucks for the city etcetcetc, and that while the rates were around the $120,- a ton.We have seen quite a few different numbers, maybe to cover up the 400 ton of asbestos. Just a thought.

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