

Bristol, GB

Post #: 2 user 122414992 In six months, the Bristol meetup has never seen a penny of sponsorship from Bitcoin Global Investments; no offers have been made, nothing bought, and no invitation to call on Javier's own company for funding for anything. The appearance of the meeting itself being sponsored and having a commercial interest also stands at odds with much of what Bitcoin stands for, and could put potential joiners off. (There's obviously plenty of room for Bitcoin and businesses together, but not at a meetup.)



On those grounds I'd like to see the sponsorship claim removed.



I added to the description of Tuesday's meet, in place of the self-promotional advert, the sentence "Not sponsored by any commercial interest". It has been removed, and I find such editing objectionable.







Barcelona, ES

Post #: 1 user 10826740 It won't happen, particularly given the aggressive nature of your enquiry, and not having consulted me first before setting up one of our meetings.

I have made several interviews and spoken in a number of opportunities to Bitcoiners, business executives and university students to spread the word about Bitcoin, from Scotland to Barcelona. I have set up this group several months ago -first in Bristol- and been there to wait people at the door when we were 5 of us -you were not there, but I am not sure since you don't even identify yourself. I have been featured in Bitcoin documentaries, as well as helped the press with different bitcoin-related enquiries and articles for a long time now. Many of these engagements have been paid for by myself and the company I represent. Although I am extremely busy, all this has been done nonetheless, because i believe in the core idea of Bitcoin.

I have even kept online this meeting for the 27th that you set up without my permission, or having consulted me first.

Please learn about me on JavierMarti.co.uk and the Bitcoin Press Center what I have done for Bitcoin before making quick judgments on me or Bitcoin Global Investments and our contribution to the scene.

I have risked my reputation and personal safety by being extremely visible in the bitcoin community from the start, unlike many others. Please do not come to lecture me on what the spirit of bitcoin is...

There is only one captain on this ship. Feel free to jump to alternative ships or make one of your own if you are not happy with the way things are managed here. Having said that, I am open to suggestions -by others, you lost your chance- if they're done in a polite and appropriate manner. This does not seem to be your way.

I don't have time for petty battles, so feel free to continue coming to the meetups if you want, but I strongly advice you to learn the basics of etiquette, manners, diplomacy and emotional intelligence before thinking of doing something like this again. The book "How to win friends and influence people", by Dale Carnegie, may be useful to you, since you seem to be doing exactly the opposite with your attitude.

Best wishes,

JM





Bristol, GB

Post #: 3 user 122414992 It won't happen, particularly given the aggressive nature of your enquiry, ...

The book "How to win friends and influence people", by Dale Carnegie, may be useful to you, since you seem to be doing exactly the opposite with your attitude. I'm not looking to hypnotise you, win you as a friend or influence you; that whole culture makes me feel a bit ill. I was going to make the request either way and I'd have phrased the request with more niceties, but as I say, seeing you edit the description I'd put without asking me (so spare me the hypocrisy about "permission") got my back up.



and not having consulted me first before setting up one of our meetings. ...

There is only one captain on this ship. ...

I have even kept online this meeting for the 27th that you set up without my permission, or having consulted me first. ...

I don't have time for petty battles, so feel free to continue coming to the meetups if you want I didn't know we all needed your permission to have a meet under this group nor to attend; meetup.com doesn't seem to agree with you that we do (else I couldn't have scheduled one) and the idea of a group where we have meets in an open bar on a subject only when you say we can is pretty distasteful, especially given that Bitcoin is intrinsically decentralised.



I have set up this group several months ago -first in Bristol- and been there to wait people at the door when we were 5 of us -you were not there, but I am not sure since you don't even identify yourself. I've been to every meet from the start. As I value my privacy and as I'm not trying to use the meet as a springboard to launch my speaking, hypnotising and Bitcoin career, I'm happy for people to find out my name by saying hello at meets.



Many of these engagements have been paid for by myself and the company I represent. But not the meetups? Please answer this direct question, which is really the whole point here: how much sponsorship money has the meet received from its nominal sponsor, Bitcoin Global Investments?





...I'm not looking to hypnotise you, win you as a friend or influence you; that whole culture makes me feel a bit ill. I was going to make the request either way and I'd have phrased the request with more niceties, but as I say, seeing you edit the description I'd put without asking me (so spare me the hypocrisy about "permission") got my back up..........I didn't know we all needed your permission to have a meet under this group nor to attend; meetup.com doesn't seem to agree with you that we do (else I couldn't have scheduled one) and the idea of a group where we have meets in an open bar on a subjectis pretty distasteful, especially given that Bitcoin is intrinsically decentralised.I've been to every meet from the start. As I value my privacy and as I'm not trying to use the meet as a springboard to launch my speaking, hypnotising and Bitcoin career, I'm happy for people to find out my name by saying hello at meets.But not the meetups? Please answer this direct question, which is really the whole point here: how much sponsorship money has the meet received from its nominal sponsor, Bitcoin Global Investments?



Bristol, GB

Post #: 1 Zammo Your attempts to spread the word about bitcoin, the engagements you have attended, were to promote your own company and your own image within the community, it is not done to benefit our meets. I would strongly advise that you learn what sponsorship actually means. Sponsorship would imply that your company covers the costs to make the meets happen. It does not. The venue is allocated at no cost, no refreshments or beverages are provided and no equipment is used that could incur a cost. The event is entirely free to host but attendees are liable for the full cost of their participation. You have made to quite clear during the meets that you seek to network with all of our bitcoin contacts yet don't offer us any of your own. I am sure the work you have done to promote bitcoin is commendable but this in no way can be considered as sponsorship of the group.



We do not need your permission to meet with each other, who do you think you are? Free people do not have a captain. We come to the meets because we believe in bitcoin and share a common interest, we don't attend in order to follow you. To be fair, you are only present for a small portion of the meet. You arrive late and you're always the first to leave.



It is interesting that you mention the globalist family name of 'Carnegie' as one of your influences. You will find that the majority of the people that attend the group are directly opposed to anything these families are connected with.



Thank you for clarifying your intentions and your perceived position within the group. The 27th will be the last time I attend this group. I wish you the best of luck with your future endeavours.



Yours in liberty



Zammo

Edited by Shane on May 22, 2014 9:38 AM



Barcelona, ES

Post #: 2 user 10826740 Goodbye gentlemen.

I wish you both good luck in your endeavors.





Bristol, GB

Post #: 4 user 122414992



Since it seems BGI is paying the fees, I accept that BGI has the right to dictate when/where meetings under the banner of the group take place, and dictate who may attend, and that we do in fact need your permission to schedule/attend those.

Having just learned that meetup.com charges organisers for use of the site , I retract and apologise for my assertion that you/BGI haven't bought anything, and my request that the sponsorship link be removed; it looks like you/BGI must have covered at least £45 in meetup.com fees since December, and I'd say that justifies a claim of sponsorship. I'm surprised that you didn't say this was the substance of BGI's sponsorship.Since it seems BGI is paying the fees, I accept that BGI has the right to dictate when/where meetings under the banner of the group take place, and dictate who may attend, and that we do in fact need your permission to schedule/attend those.