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n2jtx

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Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member Competition in Canada? Competition in Canada? You will not see it as long as there are restrictions on foreign ownership. A T-Mobile Canada? Will never happen because of foreign ownership rules. Even a Canadian equivalent of Verizon Wireless might run afoul of the laws due to Vodaphone's 45% stake in VZW. Just look at all the trouble Wind went through to get approval in Canada.



Meanwhile, my sister in Mississauga continues to pay through the nose for Rogers internet, cable TV and phone. I am forwarding this article to her so she will be aware of what is coming down the pike.

elwoodblues

Elwood Blues

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Somewhere in elwoodblues Premium Member Re: Competition in Canada? First nobody is going to set shop in Canada, the incumbents are to well entrenched.

2ndly, the cost of building a new network from the ground up would be horrendously expensive.



3rdly if ownership rules were relaxed AT&T would just buy into the local companies.



Finally if Rogers et all, can get those ridiculous amounts why would AT&the settle for less? Riplin

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canada Riplin Member Re: Competition in Canada? said by elwoodblues: 2ndly, the cost of building a new network from the ground up would be horrendously expensive.

www.newswire.ca/en/story ··· -ontario



not totally true. Some area's are going into the next centuries technology. Not cheap investment but as long as they compete and are cheaper they will grab customers. not totally true. Some area's are going into the next centuries technology. Not cheap investment but as long as they compete and are cheaper they will grab customers. 34764170 (banned)

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Etobicoke, ON 34764170 (banned) Member Re: Competition in Canada? said by Riplin: said by elwoodblues: 2ndly, the cost of building a new network from the ground up would be horrendously expensive.

www.newswire.ca/en/story ··· -ontario



not totally true. Some area's are going into the next centuries technology. Not cheap investment but as long as they compete and are cheaper they will grab customers.

not totally true. Some area's are going into the next centuries technology. Not cheap investment but as long as they compete and are cheaper they will grab customers.



That doesn't change what he said. A) That's Bell B) It's in the middle of nowhereThat doesn't change what he said.

elwoodblues

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Sorry but Sudbury is not a major urban centre, try that in Toronto.

Mashiki

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Woodstock, ON Mashiki to elwoodblues

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You might have forgotten there elwood, that back in the 90's when phone(local and long) and cell service were deregulated, we had a huge influx of other companies here(AT&T, bunch of local startups, etc). I had AT&T for my landline and long distance, then Bell and Rogers put the pressure back on the CRTC, got the rules changed again, and they sold out aka consolidated into the big network of families, I believe AT&T went into rogers.



Saying that no one would open up here is silly, it's happened. Then the rules changed again, and it drove profitable into unprofitable. MaynardKrebs

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Re: Competition in Canada? said by Mashiki: You might have forgotten there elwood, that back in the 90's when phone(local and long) and cell service were deregulated, we had a huge influx of other companies here(AT&T, bunch of local startups, etc). I had AT&T for my landline and long distance, then Bell and Rogers put the pressure back on the CRTC, got the rules changed again, and they sold out aka consolidated into the big network of families, I believe AT&T went into rogers.



Saying that no one would open up here is silly, it's happened. Then the rules changed again, and it drove profitable into unprofitable.





As to "Mashiki's ALL-Fibre ALL-the-Time Internet Service Company" or your competitor "XYZ Fibre Internet Company" bringing me its own wholly-owned fibre from NAP to my bedroom, that ain't happening in any widespread way. Sure there are a few isolated project, mostly installed in condo complexes by guys like Beanfield, but they are few and far between. What you described is pretty much exactly what we have with Indie ISP's buying capacity on incumbent networks.As to "Mashiki's ALL-Fibre ALL-the-Time Internet Service Company" or your competitor "XYZ Fibre Internet Company" bringing me its own wholly-owned fibre from NAP to my bedroom, that ain't happening in any widespread way. Sure there are a few isolated project, mostly installed in condo complexes by guys like Beanfield, but they are few and far between.

elwoodblues

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said by Mashiki: You might have forgotten there elwood, that back in the 90's when phone(local and long) and cell service were deregulated, we had a huge influx of other companies here(AT&T, bunch of local startups, etc). I had AT&T for my landline and long distance, then Bell and Rogers put the pressure back on the CRTC, got the rules changed again, and they sold out aka consolidated into the big network of families, I believe AT&T went into rogers.



Saying that no one would open up here is silly, it's happened. Then the rules changed again, and it drove profitable into unprofitable.

IIRC correctly AT&T owned a chunk of Rogers.

ohreally

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said by n2jtx: Even a Canadian equivalent of Verizon Wireless might run afoul of the laws due to Vodaphone's 45% stake in VZW.





The other networks are owned by the French and German state telephone companies (joint venture owns two of our five networks - T-Mobile and Orange), Spain's incumbent telephone company (O2), and a Hong Kong conglomerate (3).



The UK is arguably one of the most competitive, if not the most competitive mobile industries in the world. We have reasonably low costs and pretty good service. Coverage tends to be great, and none of the networks pull any crap that you see from US/Canadian operators. And just in case anyone thinks foreign investment is bad, look at the UK. Vodafone is in fact the only network that can now be described as truly British - as in a British company, British global HQ, publicly traded on a British stock exchange, (nominally) paying British taxes.The other networks are owned by the French and German state telephone companies (joint venture owns two of our five networks - T-Mobile and Orange), Spain's incumbent telephone company (O2), and a Hong Kong conglomerate (3).The UK is arguably one of the most competitive, if not the most competitive mobile industries in the world. We have reasonably low costs and pretty good service. Coverage tends to be great, and none of the networks pull any crap that you see from US/Canadian operators.

AkFubar

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Toronto CAN. AkFubar Member Speak with Your Wallet... ... and dump them. There is absolutely no reason to be tied down to a major telecom when there are less expensive services and better customer experiences available now.

Juggernaut

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Kelowna, BC Juggernaut Premium Member Re: Speak with Your Wallet... said by AkFubar: ... and dump them. +1.

pizz

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Astoria, NY ·Charter

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1 recommendation pizz Premium Member Enough is enough already.



When i was up in Canada, i laughed how crappy they provide service and can turn around and just milk me dry.



sorry moose people up north Canadian citizens are getting rail-roaded and basically being served by a greedy, and disgusting monopoly. I wish there was a way for nations that dont have these insane models, to state that this is a pure money grab, and there is no need for this.When i was up in Canada, i laughed how crappy they provide service and can turn around and just milk me dry.sorry moose people up north

mfeinf

@bell.ca mfeinf Anon Canada's telecom is old bureaucratic crap... As long as the Government of Canada protects and supports oligopolic economic model, where market is controlled by 3-4 giant telecoms, there is no way it's going to be any change... Canadian telecoms are simply unable to do business anywhere in the world because they just can't withstand the competition... Take alone the following fact: Canadian incumbent ARPU (Average Revenue per User) on voice was around $72-$75 per user a a couple of years ago, while similar ratio for incumbent operators around the globe is less than half of that... So, would you be willing to cut your revenues if your margins are skyrocketing, there are no alternatives and no-one punishes you for overcharging? Why not to continue to take advantage of Canadian consumers under the warm arm of the government?



When government has enough will to liberalize telecom market, and create true conditions for real competition, only then we are going to see rates going down and telecoms battling for the consumers...



My 2 cents... Rastan

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Canada Rastan Member Twitter If you use twitter give them hell and spread the word that @RogersHelps only help themselves to more money by screwing their own customers... zod5000

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Victoria, BC ·TELUS

·Shaw

zod5000 Member DSL vs. Cable It's not that different in the states is it? It's mostly a DSL carrier vs a Cable carrier? It's pretty expensive to lay down new wire, so ftth is pretty rare in most places.



So if Eastern Canada has the same providers as the average American town. Why is it so much worse?



Even Western Canada is light years ahead of Eastern Canada. Shaw/Telus have some competition going on. As a result shaw sells some pretty fast packages with moderately high bandwidth caps. Telus can't compete on the speeds so they don't enforce caps on their packages.



It's not like the duopoly of dsl vs cable is a new thing. It exists in most of north america. Yet Eastern Canada (Ontario) seems to have it the worse with bell and rogers. your comment..

