THE LIGHT IS RISING NOW RISING IS THE LIGHT YOU ARE GOING ON A JOURNEY A VERY SPECIAL JOURNEY DO HAVE A PLEASANT JOURNEY DO .. 2 I S 28 10 1 9 UNIVERS AL 121 40 4 4 MIN D 40 22 4 3 THE 33 15 6 4 MIN D 40 22 4 2 OF 21 12 3 9 HUMANK IND 95 41 5 33 First T ota l 378 162 27 3+3 Add to Red uce 3+7+8 1+6+2 2+7 6 Se cond T ota l 18 9 9 - Red uce to De duce 1+8 - - 6 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 9 UNIVERS AL 121 40 4 4 MIN D 40 22 4 2 I S 28 10 1 3 THE 33 15 6 4 MIN D 40 22 4 2 OF 21 12 3 9 HUMANK IND 95 41 5 33 First T ota l 378 162 27 3+3 Add to Red uce 3+7+8 1+6+2 2+7 6 Se cond T ota l 18 9 9 - Red uce to De duce 1+8 - - 6 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 E = 5 - 2 EX 11 2 2 U = 3 - 6 UMBRI S 82 28 1 E = 5 - 2 ET 25 7 7 I = 9 - 10 I M AGINIBU S 104 50 5 I = 9 - 2 I N 23 14 5 V = 4 - 9 VERI TAT EM 113 41 5 - - 35 - 31 First T ota l 358 142 25 - - 3+5 - 3+1 Add to Red uce 3+5+8 1+4+2 2+5 - - 8 - 4 Se cond T ota l 16 7 7 - - - - - Red uce to De duce 1+6 - - - - 8 - 4 Ess ence of N umb e r 7 7 7 O = 6 - 3 OU T 56 11 2 O = 6 - 2 OF 21 12 3 S = 1 - 7 SH ADOWS 89 26 8 A = 1 - 3 A ND 82 28 1 P = 7 - 9 P HANTAS MS 111 30 3 I = 9 - 4 INTO 58 22 4 T = 2 - 5 T R UTH 87 24 6 - - 32 - 33 Add to Red uce 441 135 27 - - 3+2 - 3+3 Red uce to De duce 4+4+1 1+3+5 2+7 - - 5 - 6 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 DIVINE MASCULINE DIVINE DIVINE FEMININE DIVINE I ME YOU ME CREATORS GODS CREATORS THOU ART THAT THAT ART THOU GOD SPIRIT ART THOU THOU ART GOD SPIRIT MIND MATTER SPIRIT GOD SPIRIT MATTER MIND THOU ART UNIVERSAL MIND GODS UNIVERSAL MIND ART THOU THE DIVINE COMEDY OF DANTE ALIGHIERI (1265-1321) THE FLORENTINE CANTICA I HELL (L'INFERNO) INTRODUCTION Page 9 "Midway this way of life we're bound upon I woke to find myself in a dark wood, Where the right road was wholly lost and gone." M = 4 - 6 M IDW AY 75 30 3 T = 2 - 4 T HIS 56 20 2 W = 5 - 3 WAY 49 13 4 O = 6 - 2 OF 21 12 3 L = 3 - 4 LIF E 32 23 5 W = 5 - 4 WE' R E 51 24 6 B = 2 - 5 B OUND 56 20 2 U = 3 - 4 U PON 66 21 3 - - 30 - 32 - 406 163 28 - - - - - - - - - I = 9 - 1 I 9 9 9 W = 5 - 4 WOKE 54 18 9 T = 2 - 2 TO 35 8 8 F = 6 - 4 F IND 33 24 6 M = 4 - 6 MY SEL F 80 26 8 I = 9 - 2 I N 23 14 5 A = 1 - 1 A 1 1 1 D = 4 - 4 DA R K 34 16 7 W = 5 - 4 WOOD 57 21 3 - - 45 - 28 - 326 137 56 - - - - - - - - - W = 5 - 5 W HERE 59 32 5 T = 2 - 3 THE 33 15 6 R = 9 - 5 RI GHT 62 35 8 R = 9 - 4 R OAD 38 20 2 W = 5 - 3 WAS 43 7 7 W = 5 - 6 W HOLLY 95 32 5 L = 3 - 4 LO ST 66 12 3 A = 1 - 3 A ND 19 10 1 G = 7 - 4 GON E 41 23 5 - - 46 - 37 - 456 186 42 - - - - - - - - - - - 121 - 97 First T ota l 1188 486 126 - - 1+2+1 - 9+7 Add to Red uce 1+1+8+8 4+8+6 1+2+6 Q - 4 - 16 Se cond T ota l 18 18 9 - - - - 1+6 Red uce to De duce 1+8 1+8 - - - 4 - 7 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 THE DIVINE COMEDY OF DANTE ALIGHIERI (1265-1321) THE FLORENTINE CANTICA I HELL (L'INFERNO) INTRODUCTION Page 9 "Power failed high fantasy here; yet, swift to move Even as a wheel moves equal, free from jars, Already my heart and will were wheeled by love, The Love that moves the sun and other stars." P = 7 - 5 POW E R 77 32 5 F = 6 - 6 FA I L ED 37 28 1 H = 8 - 4 H I GH 32 32 5 F = 6 - 7 FANT ASY 86 23 5 H = 8 - 4 HERE 36 27 9 Y = 7 - 3 YET 50 14 5 S = 1 - 5 SW I FT 77 23 5 T = 2 - 2 TO 35 8 8 M = 4 - 4 MO VE 55 19 1 - - 49 - 40 First T ota l 485 206 44 - - 4+9 - 4+0 Add to Red uce 4+8+5 2+0+6 4+4 Q - 13 - 4 Se cond T ota l 17 8 8 - - 1+3 - - Red uce to De duce 1+7 - - - - 4 - 4 Ess ence of N umb e r 8 8 8 E = 5 - 4 EV EN 46 19 1 A = 1 - 2 AS 20 2 2 A = 1 - 1 A 1 1 1 W = 5 - 5 W HEE L 53 26 8 M = 4 - 5 MO VE S 74 20 2 E = 5 - 5 EQUAL 56 20 2 F = 6 - 4 F R EE 34 25 7 F = 6 - 4 F R OM 52 25 7 J = 1 - 4 JA R S 48 12 3 - - 34 - 34 First T ota l 384 150 33 - - 3+4 - 3+4 Add to Red uce 3+8+4 1+5+0 3+3 Q - 7 - 7 Se cond T ota l 15 6 6 - - - - - Red uce to De duce 1+5 - - - - 7 - 7 Ess ence of N umb e r 6 6 6 A = 1 - 7 ALRE ADY 66 30 3 M = 4 - 2 MY 38 11 2 H = 8 - 5 HEA R T 52 25 7 A = 1 - 3 A ND 19 10 1 W = 5 - 4 W I LL 56 20 2 W = 5 - 4 WE R E 51 24 7 W = 5 - 7 W HEE L ED 62 35 8 B = 2 - 2 BY 27 9 9 L = 3 - 4 LOVE 54 18 9 - - 34 - 38 First T ota l 425 182 47 - - 3+4 - 3+8 Add to Red uce 4+2+5 1+8+2 4+7 Q - 7 - 11 Se cond T ota l 11 11 11 - - - - 1+1 Red uce to De duce 1+1 1+1 1+1 - - 7 - 2 Ess ence of N umb e r 2 2 2 T = 2 - 3 THE 33 15 6 L = 3 - 4 LOVE 54 18 9 T = 2 - 4 T HA T 49 13 4 M = 4 - 5 MO VE S 74 20 2 T = 2 - 3 THE 33 15 6 S = 1 - 3 SUN 54 9 9 A = 1 - 3 A ND 19 10 1 O = 6 - 5 OTHE R 66 30 3 S = 1 - 5 STA R S 77 14 5 - - 22 - 35 First T ota l 459 144 45 - - 2+2 - 3+5 Add to Red uce 4+5+9 1+4+4 4+5 Q - 4 - 8 Se cond T ota l 18 9 9 - - - - - Red uce to De duce 1+8 - - - - 4 - 8 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 .. IN MEMORIAM WAKEFIELD EXPRESS

Friday March 5th 2004

OBITUARY NOTICES

DENISON , (Nee McTiernan)

NORAH ; On February 28 in Hospital after a short illness aged 93 years. Wife of the late Ernest, beloved mother of Michael, David and John and a loving grandma and friend.

Funeral Friday March 5th service at St Paul's Church, Alverthorpe at 9.45am, followed by internment in Wakefield Cemetery. NORAH DENISON Born 26 July 1910, died February 28 2004 Rest In Peace GOODNIGHT AND GOD BLESS DEAR MOTHER 18 N 99 THE SCULPTURE OF VIBRATIONS 1971 THE OUTSIDER An inquiry into the nature of the sickness of mankind in the mid-twentieth century Colin Wilson 1956 3 THE 33 15 6 2 OU TS IDER 111 39 3 11 Add to Red uce 144 54 9 1+1 Red uce to De duce 1+4+4 5+4 - 2 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 3 THE 33 15 6 - OU TS IDER - - - 2 O + U 36 9 9 2 T+S 39 3 3 1 I 9 9 9 2 D + E 9 9 9 1 R 18 9 9 11 Add to Red uce 144 54 45 1+1 Red uce to De duce 1+4+4 5+4 4+5 2 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 - 11 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - - - - -- - - - - - - - 8 - - 6 - - 1 9 - - - + = 51 5+1 = 6 = 6 = 6 - - - 8 - - 15 - - 19 9 - - - + = 123 1+2+3 = 6 = 6 = 6 - 11 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - - - - -- - - - - - - 2 - 5 - - 3 2 - - 4 5 9 + = 30 3+0 = 3 = 3 = 3 - - 20 - 5 - - 13 20 - - 4 5 18 + = 102 1+0+2 = 3 = 3 = 3 - 11 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - - - - -- - - - - - - 20 8 5 - 15 21 20 19 9 4 5 18 + = 144 1+4+4 = 9 = 9 = 9 - - 2 8 5 - 6 3 2 1 9 4 5 9 + = 54 5+4 = 9 = 9 = 9 - 11 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - 1 oc cu r s x 1 = 1 = 1 - - 2 - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - 2 oc cu r s x 2 = 4 = 4 - - - - - - -- 3 - - - - - - - - 3 oc cu r s x 1 = 3 = 3 - - - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - 4 oc cu r s x 1 = 4 = 4 - - - - 5 - - - - - - - 5 - - - 5 oc cu r s x 2 = 10 1+0 1 - - - - - - 6 - - - - - - - - - 6 oc cu r s x 1 = 6 = 6 7 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7 - - - - - - - - - - 8 - - - - - - - - - - - - 8 oc cu r s x 1 = 8 = 8 - - - - - - - - - - 9 - - 9 - - 9 oc cu r s x 1 = 9 = 9 7 11 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - 38 - - 11 - 54 - 36 - 1+1 - - - - - - - - 9 - - 9 - - 3+8 - - 1+1 - 5+4 - 3+6 7 2 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - 11 - - 2 - 9 - 9 - - 2 8 5 - 6 3 2 1 9 4 5 9 - - 1+1 - - - - - - - 7 2 T H E - O U T S I D E R - - 2 - - 2 - 9 - 9 SOUND THE QUESTION I ME I ME I QUESTION THE SOUND WHITHER GOEST THOU GOEST WHITHER GODS GODDESSES ALWAYS LOVE BALANCING LOVE ALWAYS GODS GODDESSES T = 2 -- 3 THE 33 15 6 O = 6 -- 8 OU TS IDER 111 39 3 - - 8 -- 11 Add to Red uce 144 54 9 -- - - - 1+1 Red uce to De duce 1+4+4 5+4 - - - 8 -- 2 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 M = 4 -- 7 ME ET I NG 73 37 1 T = 2 -- 3 THE 33 15 6 C = 3 -- 8 C RI TE RI A 83 47 2 - - 9 - 18 First T ota l 189 99 9 -- - - -- 1+8 Add to Red uce 1+8+9 9+9 - - - 9 - 9 Se cond T ota l 18 18 9 -- - - -- - Red uce to De duce 1+8 1+8 - -- - 9 -- 9 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 - 18 M E E T I N G -- T H E -- C R I T E R I A - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - 9 5 - -- - 8 - -- - - 9 - - - 9 - + = 4 0 4+0 = 4 = 4 = 4 - - - - - - 9 14 - -- - 8 - -- - - 9 - - - 9 - + = 4 9 4+9 = 13 1+3 4 = 4 - 18 M E E T I N G - T H E - C R I T E R I A - - - - - -- - - - - - - 4 5 5 2 - - 7 -- 2 - 5 -- 3 9 - 2 5 9 - 1 + = 59 5+9 = 5 = 5 = 5 - - 13 5 5 20 - - 7 - 20 - 5 - 3 18 - 20 5 18 - 1 + = 140 1+4+0 = 5 = 5 = 5 - 18 M E E T I N G -- T H E -- C R I T E R I A - - - - - -- - - - - - - 13 5 5 20 9 14 7 -- 20 8 5 -- 3 18 9 20 5 18 9 1 + = 189 1+8+9 = 18 1+8 9 = 9 - - 4 5 5 2 9 5 7 - 2 8 5 - 3 9 9 2 5 9 9 1 + = 99 9+9 = 18 1+8 9 = 9 - 18 M E E T I N G - T H E - C R I T E R I A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - -- - 1 - -- 1 oc cu r s x 1 = 1 = 1 - - - - - 2 - - - - 2 - - - - -- - 2 - -- - - - -- 2 oc cu r s x 3 = 6 = 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3 -- - - - -- - - - -- 3 oc cu r s x 1 = 3 = 3 - - 4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 4 oc cu r s x 1 = 4 = 4 - - - 5 5 - - 5 - - - - 5 - - -- - - 5 -- - - - -- 5 oc cu r s x 5 = 25 2+5 7 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7 - - - - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- 7 oc cu r s x 1 = 7 = 7 - - - - - - - - - - - 8 - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- 8 oc cu r s x 1 = 8 = 8 - - - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - 9 9 - - 9 9 - - - 9 oc cu r s x 5 = 45 4+5 9 6 18 M E E T I N G - T H E - C R I T E R I A - - 39 - - 18 - 99 - 45 - 1+8 - 5 5 - - 5 - - - - 5 - - -- - - 5 -- - - - - 3+9 - - 1+8 - 9+9 - 4+5 6 9 M E E T I N G - T H E - C R I T E R I A - - 12 - - 9 - 18 - 9 - - 4 5 5 2 9 5 7 - 2 8 5 - 3 9 9 2 5 9 9 1 - - 1+2 - - - - 1+8 - - 6 9 M E E T I N G - T H E - C R I T E R I A - - 3 - - 9 - 9 - 9 TIMES LITERARY SUPPLEMENT January 17, 2008

Chry sal i s

Muriel Spark: introduced by Mick Imlah 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 8 9 - - - - 5 6 - - - 1 - - - - 6 - 8 + = 43 4+3 = 7 = 7 = 7 - - - - - - - - 8 9 - - - - 14 15 - - - 19 - - - - 24 - 26 + = 115 1+1+5 = 7 = 7 = 7 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - - - - - - - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - - 1 2 3 4 - - 7 8 9 - 2 3 4 5 - 7 - + = 83 8+3 = 11 1+1 2 = 2 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - - 10 11 12 13 - - 16 17 18 - 20 21 22 23 - 25 - + = 236 2+3+6 = 11 1+1 2 = 2 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - - - - - - - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 + = 351 3+5+1 = 9 = 9 = 9 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 + = 126 1+2+6 = 9 = 9 = 9 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - - + = 1 oc cu r s x 3 = 3 = 3 - - 2 - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - - - 2 - - - - - - + = 2 oc cu r s x 3 = 6 = 6 - - - 3 - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - + = 3 oc cu r s x 3 = 9 = 9 - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - + = 4 oc cu r s x 3 = 12 1+2 3 - - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - 5 - - - + = 5 oc cu r s x 3 = 15 1+5 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - - - - - - 6 - - - - - - - - 6 - - + = 6 oc cu r s x 3 = 18 1+8 9 - - - - - - - 7 - - - - - - - - 7 - - - - - - - - 7 - + = 7 oc cu r s x 3 = 21 2+1 3 - - - - - - - - 8 - - - - - - - - 8 - - - - - - - - 8 + = 8 oc cu r s x 3 = 24 2+4 6 - - - - - - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - + = 9 oc cu r s x 2 = 18 1+8 9 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - 45 - - 26 - 126 - 54 - - - - - - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - - - 4+5 - - 2+6 - 1+2+6 - 5+4 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - 9 - - 8 - 9 - 9 - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 - - - - - - - - - - 26 A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z - - 9 - - 8 - 9 - 9 0 - Z = 8 - 4 ZE R O 64 28 1 1 - O = 6 - 3 ONE 34 16 7 2 - T = 2 - 3 TWO 58 13 4 3 - T = 2 - 5 T HREE 56 29 2 4 - F = 6 - 4 F OUR 60 24 6 5 - F = 6 - 4 F IVE 42 24 6 6 - S = 1 - 3 S I X 52 16 7 7 - S = 1 - 5 S EV EN 65 20 2 8 - E = 5 - 5 E I GHT 49 31 4 9 - N = 5 - 4 N I NE 42 24 6 45 - - - 42 - 40 Add 522 225 45 4+5 - - - 4+2 - 4+0 Red uce 5+2+2 2+2+5 4+5 9 - - - 6 - 4 De duce 9 9 9 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 - Z = 8 - 4 ZE R O 64 28 1 - 1 - - - - - - - - 1 - O = 6 - 3 ONE 34 16 7 - - - - - - - 7 - - 2 - T = 2 - 3 TWO 58 13 4 - - - - 4 - - - - - 3 - T = 2 - 5 T HREE 56 29 2 - - 2 - - - - - - - 4 - F = 6 - 4 F OUR 60 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 5 - F = 6 - 4 F IVE 42 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 6 - S = 1 - 3 S I X 52 16 7 - - - - - - - 7 - - 7 - S = 1 - 5 S EV EN 65 20 2 - - 2 - - - - - - - 8 - E = 5 - 5 E I GHT 49 31 4 - - - - 4 - - - - - 9 - N = 5 - 4 N I NE 42 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 45 - - - 42 - 40 Add 522 225 45 - 1 4 3 8 5 18 14 8 9 4+5 - - - 4+2 - 4+0 Red uce 5+2+2 2+2+5 4+5 - - - - - - 1+8 1+4 - - 9 - - - 6 - 4 De duce 9 9 9 - 1 4 3 8 5 9 5 8 9 1 - O = 6 - 3 ONE 34 16 7 2 - T = 2 - 3 TWO 58 13 4 3 - T = 2 - 5 T HREE 56 29 2 4 - F = 6 - 4 F OUR 60 24 6 5 - F = 6 - 4 F IVE 42 24 6 6 - S = 1 - 3 S I X 52 16 7 7 - S = 1 - 5 S EV EN 65 20 2 8 - E = 5 - 5 E I GHT 49 31 4 9 - N = 5 - 4 N I NE 42 24 6 45 - - - 34 - 36 Add 458 197 44 4+5 - - - 3+4 - 3+6 Red uce 4+5+8 1+9+7 4+4 9 - - - 7 4 9 De duce 17 17 8 - - - - - - - P r oduce 1+7 1+7 - 9 - - - 7 - 9 Ess ence 8 8 8 - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 - O = 6 - 3 ONE 34 16 7 - - - - - - - 7 - - 2 - T = 2 - 3 TWO 58 13 4 - - - - 4 - - - - - 3 - T = 2 - 5 T HREE 56 29 2 - - 2 - - - - - - - 4 - F = 6 - 4 F OUR 60 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 5 - F = 6 - 4 F IVE 42 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 6 - S = 1 - 3 S I X 52 16 7 - - - - - - - 7 - - 7 - S = 1 - 5 S EV EN 65 20 2 - - 2 - - - - - - - 8 - E = 5 - 5 E I GHT 49 31 4 - - - - 4 - - - - - 9 - N = 5 - 4 N I NE 42 24 6 - - - - - - 6 - - - 45 - - - 34 - 36 Add 458 197 44 - 1 4 3 8 5 18 14 8 9 4+5 - - - 3+4 - 3+6 Red uce 4+5+8 1+9+7 4+4 - - - - - - 1+8 1+4 - - 9 - - - 7 4 9 De duce 17 17 8 - 1 4 3 8 5 18 14 8 9 - - - - - - - P r oduce 1+7 1+7 - - - - - - - - - - - 9 - - - 7 - 9 Ess ence 8 8 8 - 1 4 3 8 5 9 5 8 9 0 - 4 ZE R O 8 5 9 6 - = 28 2+8 = 10 1+0 1 1 - 3 ONE 6 5 5 - - = 16 1+6 = 7 - 7 2 - 3 TWO 2 5 6 - - = 13 1+3 = 4 - 4 3 - 5 T HREE 2 8 9 5 5 = 29 2+9 = 11 1+1 2 4 - 4 F OUR 6 6 3 9 - = 24 2+4 = 6 - 6 5 - 4 F IVE 6 9 4 5 - = 24 2+4 = 6 - 6 6 - 3 S I X 1 9 6 - - = 16 1+6 = 7 - 7 7 - 5 S EV EN 1 5 4 5 5 = 20 2+0 = 2 - 2 8 - 5 E I GHT 5 9 7 8 2 = 31 3+1 = 4 - 4 9 - 4 N I NE 5 9 5 5 - = 24 2+4 = 6 - 6 45 - 40 Add 42 70 58 43 12 - 225 - - 63 - 45 4+5 - 4+0 - 4+2 7+0 5+8 4+3 1+2 - 2+2+5 - - 6+3 - 4+5 9 - 4 Re duce 6 7 13 7 3 - 9 - - 9 - - - - - - - - 1+3 - - - - - - - - - 9 - 4 De duce 6 7 4 7 3 - 9 - - 9 - 9 YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH I WILL FEAR NO EVIL FOR THOU ART WITH ME ALWAYS JUST SIX NUMBERS Martin Rees 1

999 OUR COSMIC HABITAT PLANETS STARS AND LIFE Page 24 A proton is 1,836 times heavier than an electron, and the number 1,836 would have the same connotations to any 'intelligence' 1 I 9 9 9 4 T HA T 49 13 4 2 AM 14 5 5 11 TE RR EST RI AL 145 55 3 16 EXTRA TERRES T RI AL 213 78 6 2 A ND 19 10 1 9 CE LES T I AL 86 32 8 2 AM 14 5 5 1 I 9 9 9 22 First T ota l 558 216 54 2+2 Add to Red uce 5+5+8 2+1+6 5+4 4 Se cond T ota l 18 9 9 2+2 Red uce to De duce 1+8 - - 4 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 1 I 9 9 9 4 T HA T 49 13 4 2 AM 14 5 5 2 AT 21 3 3 4 MAAT 35 8 8 2 AT 21 3 3 4 MAAT 35 8 8 2 AM 14 5 5 1 I 9 9 9 22 Add to Red uce 207 63 54 2+2 Red uce to De duce 2+0+7 6+3 5+4 4 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 T = 2 - 3 THE 33 15 6 M = 4 - 4 MAGI 30 21 3 I = 9 - 7 IMAGERS 72 36 9 O = 6 - 2 OF 21 12 3 M = 4 - 5 MAG I C 33 24 6 - - 25 - 21 First T ota l 189 108 27 - - 2+5 - 2+1 Add to Red uce 1+8+9 1+0+8 2+7 Q - 7 - 3 Se cond T ota l 18 9 9 - - - - - Red uce to De duce 1+8 - - - - 7 5 3 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9 - 21 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - - - - - - - - - 42 - - 8 - - - - - 9 - 9 - - - - - 1 - 6 - - - - - 9 - + = 42 4+2 = 6 = 6 = 6 69 - - 8 - - - - - 9 - 9 - - - - - 19 - 15 - - - - - 9 - + = 69 6+9 = 15 1+5 6 = 6 - 21 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - - - - - - - - - 66 - 2 - 5 - 4 1 7 - - - 4 1 7 5 9 - - - 6 - 4 1 7 - 3 + = 66 6+6 = 12 1+2 3 = 3 120 - 20 - 5 - 13 1 7 - - - 13 1 7 5 18 - - - 6 - 13 1 7 - 3 + = 120 1+2+0 = 3 = 3 = 3 - 21 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - - - - - - - - - 189 - 20 8 5 - 13 1 7 9 - 9 13 1 7 5 18 19 - 15 6 - 13 1 7 9 3 + = 189 1+8+9 = 18 1+8 9 = 9 108 - 2 8 5 - 4 1 7 9 - 9 4 1 7 5 9 1 - 6 6 - 4 1 7 9 3 + = 108 1+0+8 = 9 = 9 = 9 - 21 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - - - - - - - - - 1 - - - - - - 1 - - - - - 1 - - - 1 - - - - - 1 - - - - - 1 oc cu r s x 4 = 4 = 4 2 - 2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 oc cu r s x 1 = 2 = 2 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - 3 oc cu r s x 1 = 3 = 3 4 - - - - - 4 - - - - - 4 - - - - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - 4 oc cu r s x 3 = 12 1+2 3 5 - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - 5 - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 oc cu r s x 2 = 10 1+0 1 6 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 6 6 - - - - - - - - 6 oc cu r s x 2 = 12 1+2 3 7 - - - - - - - 7 - - - - - 7 - - - - - - - - - 7 - - - - 7 oc cu r s x 3 = 21 2+1 3 8 - - 8 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 8 oc cu r s x 1 = 8 = 8 9 - - - - - - - - 9 - 9 - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - 9 - - - 9 oc cu r s x 4 = 36 3+6 9 45 21 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - 45 - - 21 21 108 - 36 4 + 5 2 + 1 - - - - - - - 9 - 9 - - - - 9 - - - - - - - - 9 - - - 4+5 - - 2+1 - 1+0+8 - 3+6 9 3 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - 9 - - 3 - 9 - 9 - - 2 8 5 - 4 1 7 9 - 9 4 1 7 5 9 1 - 6 6 - 4 1 7 9 3 - - - - - - - - - - 9 3 T H E - M A G I - I M A G E R S - O F - M A G I C - - 9 - - 3 7 9 7 9 YEA THOUGH I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF THE SHADOW OF DEATH I WILL FEAR NO EVIL FOR THOU ART WITH ME ALWAYS 2061 ODYSSEY THREE Arthur C. Clarke 1987 Page 13 (number 0mitted) "THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN" THE LOST WORLDS OF 2001 Arthur C.Clarke 1972 "Sorry to interrupt the festivities, but we have a problem."

(HAL 9000, during Frank Poole's birthday party)

"Houston, we've had a problem." (Jack Swigert, shortly after playing the Zarathustra theme to his TV audience, aboard Apollo 13 Command Module Odyssey) THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN Thomas Mann 1924 Page 706 THE THUNDERBOLT THE DIE IS NOW CAST NOW CAST IS THE DIE OF TIME AND STARS Arthur C. Clarke 1972 FOREWORD "'Into the Comet' and 'The Nine Billion Names of God' both involve computers and the troubles they may cause us. While writing this preface, I had occasion to call upon my own HP 9100A computer, Hal Junior, to answer an interesting question. Looking at my records, I find that I have now written just about one hundred short stories. This volume contains eighteen of them: therefore, how many possible 18-story collections will I be able to put together? The answer ­as I am sure will be instantly obvious to you - is 100 x 99. . . x 84 x 83 divided by 18 x 17 x 16 ... x .2 x 1. This is an impressive number - Hal Junior tells me that it is approximately 20,772,733,124,605,000,000. Page 15 The Nine Billion Names of God 3 THE 33 15 6 4 N I NE 42 24 6 7 B I L LIO N 73 37 1 5 NA ME S 52 16 7 2 OF 21 12 3 3 GOD 26 17 8 24 - 247 121 31 2+4 - 2+4+7 1+2+1 3+1 6 - 13 4 4 - - 1+3 - - 6 - 4 4 4 OF TIME AND STARS Arthur C. Clarke 1972 The Nine Billion Names of God Page 15 (number missing)

'This is a slightly unusual request,' said Dr Wagner, with what he hoped was commendable restraint. 'As far as I know, it's the first time anyone's been asked to supply a Tibetan monastery with an Automatic Sequence Computer. I don't wish to be inquisitive, but I should hardly have thought that your - ah - establishment had much use for such a machine. Could you explain just what you intend to do with it?'

'Gladly,' replied the lama, readjusting his silk robes and carefully putting away the slide rule he had been using far currency conversions. 'Your Mark V Computer can carry out any routine mathematical operation involving up to ten digits. However, for our work we are interested in letters, not numbers. As we wish you to modify the output circuits, the machine will be printing words, not columns of figures.'

'I don't quite understand. . .'

'This is a project on which we have been working for the last three centuries - since the lamasery was founded, in fact. It is somewhat alien to your way of thought, so I hope you will listen with an open mind while I explain it.'

'Naturally.'

'It is really quite simple. We have been compiling a list which shall contain all the possible names of God.'

'I beg your pardon?' Page16 'We have reason to believe,' continued the lama imperturbably, 'that all such names can be written with not more than nine letters in an alphabet we have devised.'

'And you have been doing this for three centuries?'

'Yes: we expected it would take us about fifteen thousand years to complete the task.'

'Oh,' Dr Wagner looked a little dazed. 'Now I see why you wanted to hire one of our machines. But what exactly is the purpose of this project?'

The lama hesitated for a fraction of a second, and Wagner wondered if he had offended him. If so, there was no trace of annoyance in the reply.

'Call it ritual, if you like, but it's a fundamental part of our belief. All the many names of the Supreme Being - God Jehova, Allah, and so on - they are only man-made labels. There is a philosophical problem of some difficulty here, which I do not propose to discuss, but somewhere among all the possible combinations of letters that can occur are what one may call the real names of God. By systematic permutation of letters, we have been trying to list them all.'

'I see. You've been starting at AAAAAAA . . . and working up to ZZZZZZZZ . . .'

'Exactly - though we use a special alphabet of our own. Modifying the electromatic typewriters to deal with this is, of course, trivial. A rather more interesting problem is that of devising suitable circuits to eliminate ridiculous combinations. For example, no letter must occur more than three times in succession.'

,'Three? Surely you mean two.'

'Three is correct: I am afraid it would take too long to explain why, even if you understood our language.' " I = 9 9 = I R = 9 9 = R OF T9ME AND STA9S A9thu9 C. Cla9ke,1972 Page 15 THE N 9 NE B 9 LL 9 ON NAMES OF GOD 'Th9s 9s a sl9ghtly unusual 9equest,'sa9d D9 Wagne9, w9th what he hoped was commendable 9est9a9nt.' As fa9 as 9 know, 9t's the f99st t9me anyone's been asked to supply a T9betan monaste9y with an Automat9c Sequence Compute9. 9 don't w9sh to be 9nqu9s9t9ve, but 9 should ha9dly have thought that you9- ah - establ9shment had much use for such a mach9ne.Could you expla9n just what you 9ntend to do w9th 9t?' 'Gladly,' 9epl9ed the lama, 9eadjust9ng h9s s9lk 9obes and ca9efully putting away the sl9de 9ule he had been us9ng fo9 cu99ency conve9s9ons. 'You9 Ma9k V Compute9 can ca99y out any 9out9ne mathemat9cal ope9at9on 9nvolv9ng up to ten d9g9ts. Howeve9, for ou9 work we are 9nte9ested 9n lette9s, not numbe9s. As we w9sh you to mod9fy the output c9rcu9ts,the mach9ne w9ll be p99nt9ng wo9ds not columns of f9gu9es.' '9 dont qu9te unde9stand…' 'Th9s 9s a p9oject on wh9ch we have been work9ng fo9 the last th9ee centu99es - s9nce the lamase9y was founded, 9n fact.9t 9s somewhat al9en to you9 way of thought, so9 hope you w9ll l9sten with an open m9nd wh9le 9 expla9n 9t 'Natu9ally.' '9t 9s 9eally qu9te s9mple.We have been comp9l9ng a l9st wh9ch shall conta9n all the poss9ble names of God' '9 beg you9 pa9don?' / Page16 / 'We have 9eason to bel9eve' cont9nued the lama 9mpe9tu9bably, ' that all such names can be w99tten with not mo9e than n9ne lette9s 9n an alphabet we have dev9sed,' 'And you have been do9ng th9s for three centu99es? 'Yes: we expected9t would take us about f9fteen thousand years to complete the task.' 'Oh, Dr Wagne9 looked a l9ttle dazed. 'Now9 see why you wanted to h99e one of ou9 mach9nes. But what exactly9s the pu9pose of th9s p9oject ? 'The lama hes9tated fo9 a f9act9on of a second, and Wagne9 wonde9ed9f he had offended h9m.9f so the9e was no t9ace of annoyance9n the 9eply. 'Call9t 99tual, 9f you l9ke, but 9t's a fundamental pa9t of ou9 bel9ef. All the many names of the Sup9eme Be9ng - God , Jehova , Allah , and so on - they a9e only man made labels. The9e 9s a ph9losoph9cal p9oblem of some d9ff9culty he9e, wh9ch9 do not p9opose to d9scuss, but somewhe9e among all the poss9ble comb9nat9ons of lette9s that can occu9 a9e what one may call the 9eal names of God. By systemat9c pe9mutat9on of lette9s, we have been t9y9ng to l9st them all' 9 see. You've been sta9t9ng at AAAAAAA… and wo9k-9ng up to ZZZZZZZZ …' 'Exactly - though we use a spec9al alphabet of ou9 own. Mod9fy9ng the elect9omat9c typew99te9s to deal w9th th9s 9s of cou9se t99v9al. A 9athe9 mo9e 9nte9est9ng p9oblem 9s that of dev9s9ng su9table c99cu9ts to el9m9nate 9 9d9culous comb9nat9ons. Fo9 example, no lette9 must occu9 mo9e than th9ee t9mes 9n sucess9on.' 'Th9ee? Su9ely you mean two.' 'Th9ee 9s co99ect; 9 am af9a9d 9t would take too long to expla9n why , even 9f you unde9stood ou9 language.'/ Page 17 / '9'm su9e 9t would,' sa9d Wagne9 hast9ly. 'Go on.' 'Luck9ly, 9t w9ll be a s9mple matte9 to adapt you9 Automat9c Sequence Compute9 fo9 th9s wo9k, s9nce once 9t has been p9og9ammed p9ope9ly 9t w9ll pe9mute each lette9 9n tu9n and p99nt the 9esult. What would have taken us f9fteen thousand years 9t w9ll be able to do 9n a hund9ed days.' 'Dr Wagne9 was sca9cely consc9ous of the fa9nt sounds f9om the Manhatten st9eets fa9 below. He was 9n a d9ffe9ent wo9ld, a wo9ld of natu9al, not man-made mounta9ns. H9gh up 9n the99 9emote ae99es these monks had been pat9ently at wo9k gene9at9on afte9 gene9at9on, comp9l9ng the99 l9sts of mean9ngless wo9ds. Was the9e any l9m9ts to the foll9es of mank9nd ? St9ll, he must g9ve no h9nt of h9s 9nne9 thoughts. The custome9 was always 99ght…" Page 68 Into the Comet

"Pickett's fingers danced over the beads, sliding them up and down the wires with lightning speed. There were twelve wires in all, so that the abacus could handle numbers up to 999,999,999,999 - or could be divided into separate sections where several independent calculations could be carried out simultaneously.

'374072,' said Pickett, after an incredibly brief interval of time. 'Now see how long you take to do it, with pencil and paper.'

There was a much longer delay before Martens, who like most mathematicians was poor at arithmetic, called out '375072'. A hasty check soon confirmed that Martens had taken at least three times as long as Pickett to arrive at the wrong answer.

The atronomer's face was a study in mingled chagrin, astonishment, and curiosity.

'Where did you learn that trick?' he asked. 'I thought those things could only add and subtract.'

'Well - multiplication's only repeated addition, isn't it? All I did was to add 856 seven times in the unit column, three times in the tens column, and four times in the hundreds column. You do the same thing when you use pencil and paper. Of course, there are some short cuts, but if you think I'm fast, you should have seen my granduncle. He used to work in a Yokohama bank, and you couldn't see his fingers / Page 69 / when he was going at speed" - - - - - A BACU S - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A = 1 1 1 A 1 1 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 B = 2 2 1 B 2 2 2 - - 2 - 4 5 6 7 8 9 A = 1 3 1 A 1 1 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 C = 3 4 1 C 3 3 3 - - - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 U = 3 5 1 U 21 3 3 - - - 3 4 5 6 7 8 8 S = 1 6 1 S 19 10 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - 11 - 6 A BACU S 47 20 11 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - 1+1 - - - 4+7 2+0 1+1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - 6 A BACU S 11 2 2 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - 1+1 - - - 1+1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - 6 A BACU S 2 2 2 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - - - - A BACU S - - - - 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A = 1 1 1 A 1 1 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 A = 1 3 1 A 1 1 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 S = 1 6 1 S 19 10 1 - 1 - - 4 5 6 7 8 9 B = 2 2 1 B 2 2 2 - - 2 - 4 5 6 7 8 9 C = 3 4 1 C 3 3 3 - - - 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 U = 3 5 1 U 21 3 3 - - - 3 4 5 6 7 8 8 - - 11 - 6 A BACU S 47 20 11 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - 1+1 - - - 4+7 2+0 1+1 - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - 6 A BACU S 11 2 2 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 - - 1+1 - - - 1+1 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 - 6 A BACU S 2 2 2 - 3 2 6 4 5 6 7 8 9 Abacus - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus The abacus (plural abaci or abacuses), also called a counting frame, is a calculating tool that was in use in Europe, China and Russia, centuries before the adoption of the written Hindu–Arabic numeral system. The exact origin of the abacus is still unknown.

The abacus (plural abaci or abacuses), also called a counting frame, is a calculating tool that was in use in Europe, China and Russia, centuries before the adoption of the written Hindu–Arabic numeral system. The exact origin of the abacus is still unknown. Today, abaci are often constructed as a bamboo frame with beads sliding on wires, but originally they were beans or stones moved in grooves in sand or on tablets of wood, stone, or metal.

Abaci come in different designs. Some designs, like the bead frame consisting of beads divided into tens, are used mainly to teach arithmetic, although they remain popular in the post-Soviet states as a tool. Other designs, such as the Japanese soroban, have been used for practical calculations even involving several digits. For any particular abacus design, there usually are numerous different methods to perform a certain type of calculation, which may include basic operations like addition and multiplication, or even more complex ones, such as calculating square roots. Some of these methods may work with non-natural numbers (numbers such as 1.5 and ?3/4).

Although today many use calculators and computers instead of abaci to calculate, abaci still remain in common use in some countries. Merchants, traders and clerks in some parts of Eastern Europe, Russia, China and Africa use abaci, and they are still used to teach arithmetic to children.[1] Some people who are unable to use a calculator because of visual impairment may use an abacus. A = 1 - 1 A 1 1 1 C = 3 - 8 CO UNT I NG 103 40 4 T = 2 - 5 TABLE 40 13 4 - - 6 - 14 Add to Red uce 144 54 9 - - - - 1+4 Red uce to De duce 1+4+4 5+4 1+6 - - 6 - 5 Ess ence of N umb e r 9 9 9

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999 OUR COSMIC HABITAT PLANETS STARS AND LIFE Page 24 A proton is 1,836 times heavier than an electron, and the number 1,836 would have the same connotations to any 'intelligence' 8 QUO VADIS 10 8 36 9 6 VOX POP 10 8 36 9 11 SORROW 10 8 36 9 8 INSTINCT 10 8 36 9 11 DESCENDANTS 10 8 36 9 8 STARTING 10 8 36 9 9 NARRATIVE 10 8 36 9 9 COMPLETES 10 8 36 9 7 JOURNEY 10 8 36 9 DAVID DENISON FRATERNAL GREETINGS CITIZENS OF PLANET EARTH WELCOME TO THE NARRATIVE - NARRATIVE -- - - 2 N+A 15 6 6 2 R+R 36 18 9 2 A+T 21 3 3 1 I 9 9 9 2 V+E 27 9 9 9 NARRATIVE 1 0 8 45 36 - - 1+0+8 4+5 3+6 9 NARRATIVE 9 9 9 setiathome.berkeley.edu Join the Search for Alien Life Message boards: SETI @ home Science: If someone found a signal would the public know ? Message Message 765818 Posted 10 Jun 2008 20:59:38 UTC I am just woundering if there was a signal found. how long wound it take for the public to be informed.



I hate to think that this information would be kept to a choosen few.



I also think it is possable, that we have already found a signal and the general public will not be told for a very very long time.



One more thing, If ET says hello... What are we going to say back? Message 765821 Posted 10 Jun 2008 21:06:26 UTC - in response to Message ID 765818. I am just woundering if there was a signal found. how long wound it take for the public to be informed. I hate to think that this information would be kept to a choosen few. I also think it is possable, that we have already found a signal and the general public will not be told for a very very long time. One more thing, If ET says hello... What are we going to say back? Despite the denials, we\'d not get to know for a few years I\'d guess. There\'s too many vested interests ranging from the church to governments, the military and big business. SETI has the Wow signal and at least one other signal that have ALL the hallmarks of being extra terrestial. But, there\'s always something that stops them saying so ie not confirmed by another source or, there\'s \'nothing in that particular part of the sky\' etc. Yes, Im a cynic now. Just returned to SETI but I know, as I suspect we all do, that we\'ll never get to find \'that\' signal. Message 765857 Posted 10 Jun 2008 22:14:54 UTC To answer the main question: yes, the public will know once a signal is confirmed, and yes, they will know as soon as possible (days not years).



Matt



BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person

"Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude ID: 765857 Message 765952 - Posted 11 Jun 2008 7:12:47 UTC - in response to Message ID 765912 btw - is your response to this based upom what you just (recently) Posted re: sys admin ;)) Actually.. no - though I see where you might have drawn a hopeful conclusion. I just always feel it\'s important to snuff out wrongful conspiracy theories concerning my day job. Things are never are as complicated/secretive/conspiratorial as people think (or hope in some cases) Matt BOINC/SETI@home network/web/science/development person "Any idiot can have a good idea. What is hard is to do it." - Jeanne-Claude Message 766101 - Posted 11 Jun 2008 7:12:47 UTC - in response to Message ID 765857 To answer the main question: yes, the public will know once a signal is confirmed, and yes, they will know as soon as possible (days not years). Matt How many unconfirmed signals found? Other than the WOW! one Message 766204 - Posted 11 Jun 2008 15:07:35 UTC A couple of days ago I watched as the graphics catched or stumbled upon a big gaussian (not the same one as mentioned some place else). It did not come up in the numbers thereafter and I did unfortunately not take the number of the WU, sorry to say. Possibly (but very uncertainly) it may have been WU 06mr08ah.13828.82132.6.8.73._2_0 . In any case, that WU had a spike of 1.70, a gaussian of -8.01 (which is low and not the opposite as some other like to tell) and a pulse of 100996 (Yes!). No triplet. If it was that one, it could be interesting...ID: 766204 Message 766238 Posted 11 Jun 2008 16:41:52 UTC It would be nice if somewhere in the seti program when it knows positive that it has a signal that is states across the screen... \"CANDIDATE SIGNAL FOUND!\" like it did in the movie Contact. ;) Message 766299Posted 11 Jun 2008 18:49:23 UTC - in response to Message ID 766238. Last modified: 11 Jun 2008 18:58:49 UTC It would be nice if somewhere in the seti program when it knows positive that it has a signal that is states across the screen... \"CANDIDATE SIGNAL FOUND!\" like it did in the movie Contact. ;) The problem is, it doesn't know. Only humans can make that determination, and only after revisiting what they determine are *possible* candidates and scanning their locations again and again. How many unconfirmed signals found? Other than the WOW! one Zero No signal has ever been found which had the characteristics of the WOW! signal (ie; unconfirmed origin and not a natural source, either a glitch, interference, or the real thing) The closest that the SETI@Home team ever came was this one- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_source_SHGb02%2B14a Unlike WOW!, this is not something that appeared for an instant and could never be found again; this was found again, and presumably can still be detected by any radio telescope with sufficient capability. This is not an "unconfirmed signal" because it was determined not to be a signal at all. I'll admit, I'm not satisfied with the explanations as to why it was eventually determined not to be a candidate signal, and to my knowledge, no thorough public explanation has ever been given. It's not that I personally think it's a signal (I don't), I'd just like to know exactly why scientists are so sure it's not. Message 767007- Posted 12 Jun 2008 19:44:03 UTC - in response to Message ID 766299. This is not an "unconfirmed signal" because it was determined not to be a signal at all. Thats my point! People argue over the very basic question whether a signal is a candidate. It doesnt fit the bill so lets dismiss it therefore we havent got an 'unconfirmed \ potential signal' to talk about. I'll admit, I'm not satisfied with the explanations as to why it was eventually determined not to be a candidate signal, and to my knowledge, no thorough public explanation has ever been given. It's not that I personally think it's a signal (I don't), I'd just like to know exactly why scientists are so sure it's not. Im not satisfied either but I think its highly unlikely you'll get scientists to agree. The signal appears to meet all the criteria for a 'candidate' but is dismissed because 'there's nothing in that part of the sky' and something to do with rotational period or something I mean were either of those two conditions in SETI's original conditions for a candidate? I dont think so.Im not satisfied either but I think its highly unlikely you'll get scientists to agree. The signal appears to meet all the criteria for a 'candidate' but is dismissed because 'there's nothing in that part of the sky' and something to do with rotational period or something. I mean were either of those two conditions in SETI's original conditions for a candidate? I dont think so. Message 767082- Posted 12 Jun 2008 22:12:21 UTC - in response to Message ID 76007. Last modified: 12 Jun 2008 22:18:08 UTC The signal appears to meet all the criteria for a 'candidate' but is dismissed because 'there's nothing in that part of the sky' and something to do with rotational period or something. The WOW! signal did apparently fit the criteria for artificial origin, but an Earthbound source or glitch in the system couldn't be ruled out since it could never be detected again or independently verified by any other telescope. As for the SETI@Home signal, while I think they know the criteria better than we do, I admit that I don't fully understand the explanation. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean I don't agree with it. If the signal were as compelling as you seem to think it is, it wouldn't have been dismissed, certainly not by the SETI@Home team which has put years' worth of effort and investment into this project, and certainly not by other SETI teams, like the SETI Institute. I may not be happy that it turned out not be a signal from ET, and I may not be personally satisfied with the explanations, but I have to concede that they know more about the signal than I do and they know more about why it's not a good candidate than I do. Message 767267- Posted 13 Jun 2008 4:53:21 UTC - in response to Message ID 765952. btw - is your response to this based upom what you just (recently) Posted re: sys admin ;)) Actually.. no - though I see where you might have drawn a hopeful conclusion. I just always feel it\'s important to snuff out wrongful conspiracy theories concerning my day job. Things are never are as complicated/secretive/conspiratorial as people think (or hope in some cases). - Matt Yeah, but everyone likes a god conspiracy theory :) Message 767919- Posted 14 Jun 2008 9:43:52 UTC - in response to Message ID 767082. The signal appears to meet all the criteria for a 'candidate' but is dismissed because 'there's nothing in that part of the sky' and something to do with rotational period or something. The WOW! signal did apparently fit the criteria for artificial origin, but an Earthbound source or glitch in the system couldn't be ruled out since it could never be detected again or independently verified by any other telescope. As for the SETI@Home signal, while I think they know the criteria better than we do, I admit that I don't fully understand the explanation. Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean I don't agree with it. If the signal were as compelling as you seem to think it is, it wouldn't have been dismissed, certainly not by the SETI@Home team which has put years' worth of effort and investment into this project, and certainly not by other SETI teams, like the SETI Institute. I may not be happy that it turned out not be a signal from ET, and I may not be personally satisfied with the explanations, but I have to concede that they know more about the signal than I do and they know more about why it's not a good candidate than I do. The "fear" is --I think--that the SETI results (all of them) are being stockpiled and may not be looked at until some very long time in the future and can only be verified by a steerable antenna some months or years later where the beamed signal (if there were an actual one) may well be beaming some other part of the universe--fanciful thoughts but probably needs some elucidation. Message 768345- Posted 14 Jun 2008 23:30:03 UTC The government is flattered by those that think that they can pull off elaborate conspiracy theories, but the fact is that the government can hardly pull off delivering the mail and issuing passports. The only way for a conspiracy to survive is for there to be only two people that know about it -- and one of them is dead. ID: 768345 Message 770925- Posted 20 Jun 2008 20:37:40 UTC can anyone say where the Wow signal came from? IE where in the sky? ID: 770925 Message 772609 - Posted 23 Jun 2008 22:14:32 UTC - in response to Message ID770925. can anyone say where the Wow signal came from? IE where in the sky? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal "Gentlemen, there are only two types of naval vessels..........Submarines, and Targets" -- U.S. Navy Submarine SONAR Instructor. Message 774487 - Posted 27 Jun 2008 22:56:00 UTC I've read a lot of that material regarding the WOW! signal. As far as I recall, all potential terrestial 'interference' can be discounted. There were no satellites in the way, there were no probes on their way to Mars of any of the other planets crossing the path, there were no planes in the way etc. The reason WOW! is discounted by the scientific community is mainly because it hasnt been detected since. I mean come on! If we can claim we may be the only intelligence in a galaxy of some 400 billion stars, meaning we're the result of a 400 billion to 1 shot, then, I dont see how the probabilty that Big Ear 'just got lucky' and picked up WOW! the one time. WOW! ticks more boxes than it doesnt. The only box it doesnt really tick is repeated attempts to find it again. The fact it was a 'one off' is just the same thing. ID: 774487 Message 774490 - Posted 27 Jun 2008 23:10:46 UTC - in response to Message ID 774487 Last modified: 27 Jun 2008 23:36:48 UTC I dont see how the probabilty that Big Ear 'just got lucky' and picked up WOW! the one time. That's exactly the point.

The probability that the Big Ear "just got lucky" and just so happened to hear ET for 72 seconds in only one of two synchronous beams and couldn't even detect it 3 minutes later with the second beam, and no other scan has ever picked it up again in 30 years is.....frankly, ridiculous. The problem with WOW is that it only ticks one box, it fails every other. If WOW! is a real signal from ET, then it means ET knew the exact moment that beam 1 of the Big Ear would be pointing at that exact spot in the sky and would ONLY be signaling Earth for the exact 72 seconds it took for Beam 1 to account for Earth's rotation and then immediately turn the signal off as soon as Beam 1 stopped listening and switched to Beam 2. You have to realize; WOW wasn't picked up for an arbitrary length of time... It's not like the Big Ear *just so happened* to pick up the tail end of an ET transmission. It was picked up *only* for the exact the amount of time it takes for the first beam to pass through and scan one area of space as the Earth rotates. When the second beam passed through the same area 3 minutes later, it detected nothing. That's not a coincidence. The chances of it being a genuine detection are more than "400 billion to 1" because the first beam could've been scanning any other single location in the sky or the Big Ear's side of the Earth could've been facing the opposite direction. ET must have been clairvoyant and known exactly when the first beam was going to be scanning the patch of sky where their signal was, and turned it on and then shut it off again *just* so the first beam alone could detect it.



SETI is based on the assumption that ET will be making a long-term effort to signal our planet; the search is essentially for a long-term continuous signal that's been beamed for thousands, possibly millions of years. We assume that ET is smart enough to know that only a long term effort to signal us will succeed, particularly if they're smart enough to know to use something as simple and primitive as radio to contact us.



Sending a single beam that's only detectable for a (coincidental) 72 seconds is a bad strategy since the chances that we will be listening at the right frequency, at exactly the right time, and at exactly the right spot are overwhelmingly remote.



Have you ever had a glitch on your personal computer?

Well, the Big Ear's technology is 30 years older than your PC. It was no more immune to the occasional glitch than your PC is. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan The first test in science is verifiability; results have to be independently reproduced. You apparently don't put much stock in Occam's Razor... ;) ID: 774490 Message 774499- Posted 27 Jun 2008 23:31:50 UTC - in response to Message ID 774490. [quote]I dont see how the probabilty that Big Ear 'just got lucky' and picked up WOW! the one time. That's exactly the point. The probability that the Big Ear "just got lucky" and just so happened to hear ET for 72 seconds in only one of two synchronous beams and couldn't even detect it 3 minutes later with the second beam, and no other scan has ever picked it up again in 30 years is.....frankly, ridiculous. The problem with WOW is that it only ticks one box, it fails every other. No it ticks more than one box. If you read the reports, Big Ear wasnt pointed in the direction it received WOW! for most of the time before it was received. If WOW! is a real signal from ET, then it means ET knew the exact moment that beam 1 of the Big Ear would be pointing at that exact spot in the sky and would ONLY be signaling Earth for the exact 72 seconds it took for Beam 1 to account for Earth's rotation and then immediately turn the signal off as soon as Beam 1 stopped listening and switched to Beam 2. You state ET just switched the signal off at the right moment. This is a massive asumption. For all we know, they could just have pointed their transmitter in a general direction moved position, transmitted again, moved direction etc. The point overlooked is the transmission was very close to the 1420mhz frequency. All informed scientists tell us this is a great frequency to listen to for the 'marker transmission,' the indication that someone is saying 'hello, we're here!' and not in itself a 'message.' Message 774504 - Posted 27 Jun 2008 23:44:57 UTC - in response to Message ID 774499. Last modified: 27 Jun 2008 23:47:20 UTC No it ticks more than one box. If you read the reports, Big Ear wasnt pointed in the direction it received WOW! for most of the time before it was received. It only detected WOW when beam 1 scanned the area of the sky it passed through for 72 seconds; the second beam was pointed in the same direction 3 minutes later and detected nothing. You state ET just switched the signal off at the right moment. This is a massive asumption. For all we know, they could just have pointed their transmitter in a general direction moved position, transmitted again, moved direction etc. The point overlooked is the transmission was very close to the 1420mhz frequency. All informed scientists tell us this is a great frequency to listen to for the 'marker transmission,' the indication that someone is saying 'hello, we're here!' and not in itself a 'message.' Hehehe...that's a massive assumption on your part. - I said ET must have switched the signal off after Beam 1 passed through the patch of sky where WOW was detected. - You say ET might have pointed their transmitter in a different direction after Beam 1 passed through. Ummmmm....if WOW is really a signal from ET, then aren't both of those assumptions just as equally likely to be true, and aren't they both equally "massive"? :P

If WOW is genuine, then one of those possibilities has to be the case, and both of them seem to require a clairvoyant knowledge of how long it would take for the first beam to pass through a patch of sky and account for the Earth's rotation.



Heck, even the notion that ET would use the 1420 Hydrogen frequency to signal Earth (which is the basis of SETI@Home) is also a "massive assumption" and any SETI researcher will admit as much. ;) Message 774892 - Posted 28 Jun 2008 20:29:35 UTC - in response to Message ID 774515 i believe that iT was said - a long time ago - that the ANSWER to that particular question is NO - in other words - 'THEY would NOT be told'. Well, whoever said that was WRONG Matt Lebofsky just GAVE THE ANSWER in this thread. There's no reason not to take him or anyone else working on SETI at their word. Message 776020 - Posted 30 Jun 2008 20:52:30 UTC - in response to Message ID 775008. Last modified: 30 Jun 2008 20:53:48 UTC . . . ever heard of Majestic 12 ? Oh lordy.... Yeah, I heard of Majestic 12....in the video game Deus Ex... LOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex



There is nobody who doesn't "want" YOU to find anything. There's no Majestic 12 either for that matter....



The government doesn't give a flying crap about SETI; if they did, they wouldn't have cut funding for SETI when it was being done under NASA.



And like I said, some people have short-term memory loss.



Remember the Martian meteor ????? The one that was claimed to have Martian life back in the 90s?



WHY didn't the government confiscate it to study it and silence the scientists working on it????



WHY did the federal government JUMP on the story and immediately make a public declaration that it could be the first alien life we've discovered???





If any SETI effort found a signal:

a) The press would leak it before the SETI scientists even have a chance to have a press conference about it (remember http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_source_SHGb02%2B14a)

b) To confirm the signal, the information that it even exists would be passed along throughout not only the entire SETI community but also the entire astronomical community. Do you REALLY believe that the government has Matt Lebofsky's phone bugged and is monitoring the communications of every single SETI scientist and mundane radio astronomer throughout the entire world ???? How in the heck would the government even KNOW about it before the entire SETI and astronomy community do ?? Or before the press, for that matter ??? And how could they silence all of these people, threaten with death?? Kidnap them??

c) The president would have a press conference immediately to declare the find and assert the historical value of that moment; just like Bill Clinton did when the meteor was discovered, any president would jump at the chance to be associated such a milestone in history





In other words, the whole SETI conspiracy theory thing is nothing but hogwash. Message 776095 - Posted 1 Jul 2008 0:03:10 UTC There is no conspiracy--but them paranoids is after us !! DADDIO ID: 776095 Message 776457 - Posted 1 Jul 2008 14:04:39 UTC - in response to Message 776095. There is no conspiracy--but them paranoids is after us !! DADDIO ID

I'm sleepin the closet tonight...anybody could one of them conspiracy theorists...even YOU! Message 776627 - Posted 1 Jul 2008 21:44:31 UTC - in response to Message ID 774504. No it ticks more than one box. If you read the reports, Big Ear wasnt pointed in the direction it received WOW! for most of the time before it was received. It only detected WOW when beam 1 scanned the area of the sky it passed through for 72 seconds; the second beam was pointed in the same direction 3 minutes later and detected nothing. You state ET just switched the signal off at the right moment. This is a massive asumption. For all we know, they could just have pointed their transmitter in a general direction moved position, transmitted again, moved direction etc. The point overlooked is the transmission was very close to the 1420mhz frequency. All informed scientists tell us this is a great frequency to listen to for the 'marker transmission,' the indication that someone is saying 'hello, we're here!' and not in itself a 'message.' Hehehe...that's a massive assumption on your part.

- I said ET must have switched the signal off after Beam 1 passed through the patch of sky where WOW was detected.



- You say ET might have pointed their transmitter in a different direction after Beam 1 passed through.



Ummmmm....if WOW is really a signal from ET, then aren't both of those assumptions just as equally likely to be true, and aren't they both equally "massive"? :P If WOW is genuine, then one of those possibilities has to be the case, and both of them seem to require a clairvoyant knowledge of how long it would take for the first beam to pass through a patch of sky and account for the Earth's rotation.



Heck, even the notion that ET would use the 1420 Hydrogen frequency to signal Earth (which is the basis of SETI@Home) is also a "massive assumption" and any SETI researcher will admit as much. ;)



You originally said, WOW! only ticked one box. Let's review how many boxes WOW! actually does tick



Nearly all of the scientific community states that the ideal frequency to look for a signal would be 1420mhz. This is where WOW! was found. First tick in the box.



1420mhz is universally banned for terrestrial transmission ergo, WOW! could not have been terrestial in origin. Second tick in the box.



The direction of WOW! was not that of one of the planets in the solar system. Third tick in the box.



The origin of WOW! was not a satelite. Four ticks in the box. I wont count the possibility of reflected signals off asteroids or planes etc although these could arguably be claimed as further ticks in the box.



WOW! was a narrow band signal and narrow band signals dont happen naturally. Five ticks in the box.



WOW! signal intensity and duration matched that expected due to the Earth's rotation. Six ticks in the box.



I could go on but I think my point is proven.



It is correct Big Ear only picked up ONE instance of the signal however, its wrong to assume the sender 'switched off' the signal at just the right time. It could be purely co incidental if the signal beam was transmitted for a specific duration then transmitted in a totally different direction. The sender doesnt even need to know (or indeed care) about the rotational speed of Earth. I dont think your supposition hold because you assume the sender deliberately stopped the signal so it wouldnt be picked up in the second sweep. Im saying the sender didnt care or conciously think of stopping the transmission. It was just pointed elsewhere. Yes, both options are possible but the 'switch off' just in time is highly unlikely.



If WOW! was a glitch, then, statistically, that 'glitch' should have happened before and or after WOW! was found. The fact that no other glitch akin to WOW! has ever been found gives a clear probability that it wasnt a glitch.



I cannot seriously take your statement that searching at 1420mhz is a massive assumption on our part. Message 777228 - Posted 2 Jul 2008 17:05:34 UTC - in response to Message ID 776627.

Last modified: 2 Jul 2008 17:07:16 UTC You originally said, WOW! only ticked one box. Let's review how many boxes WOW! actually does tick Nearly all of the scientific community states that the ideal frequency to look for a signal would be 1420mhz. This is where WOW! was found. First tick in the box. You're right, this *IS* a tick in the box; a parameter invented by the humans who assigned it as a box to tick in the first place (though not without good reason). That in itself doesn't necessarily make it more likely to be an ETI signal than not, however. ...and "nearly all in the scientific community" is an extreme exaggeration. Even among SETI scientists, there is wide disagreement over whether radio is "ideal" to listen to for ETI in the first place.



Regardless, if the WOW! signal were a one-time glitch, it would be a remarkable coincidence that it occurred around this frequency. Nevertheless, mere chance alone dictates it's possible. 1420mhz is universally banned for terrestrial transmission ergo, WOW! could not have been terrestial in origin. Second tick in the box. Not unless the "transmission" was in fact a glitch in the Big Ear in the first place; in that case it would have very much been terrestrial in origin. The direction of WOW! was not that of one of the planets in the solar system. Third tick in the box.



The origin of WOW! was not a satelite. Four ticks in the box. I wont count the possibility of reflected signals off asteroids or planes etc although these could arguably be claimed as further ticks in the box.



WOW! was a narrow band signal and narrow band signals dont happen naturally. Five ticks in the box. None of those are really "ticks in the box" if the WOW! Signal since none of those objects were in the direction of the second beam three minutes later either, and a glitch could also be described as an unnatural source for the narrow band detection. WOW! signal intensity and duration matched that expected due to the Earth's rotation. Six ticks in the box. ...but failed the expected confirmation by the second beam, suggesting that there was really nothing extraterrestrial being detected in the first place. I could go on but I think my point is proven. Only to those who persist in the blind faith notion that WOW! was a significant extraterrestrial detection or disavow alternative explanations. It is correct Big Ear only picked up ONE instance of the signal however, its wrong to assume the sender 'switched off' the signal at just the right time. It could be purely co incidental if the signal beam was transmitted for a specific duration then transmitted in a totally different direction. Again, why is it "wrong" to assume that the sender switched off the signal after it was detected by the first beam but right for you to assume that the sender switched the signal's direction after it was detected by the first beam???



I'm not understanding that.



Since the signal was only detected for 72 seconds by the first beam and not detected 3 minutes later by the second beam, if you believe that it was a genuine ETI signal, then there are only TWO possibilities.

Either

a) The sender switched the signal off right before the second beam would've confirmed it

or

b) The sender switched the signal's direction right before the second beam would've confirmed it



Maybe I'm stupid, but if you believe that it was a genuine ETI signal, then aren't both possibilities equally likely and equally as much of a coincidence?





The sender doesnt even need to know (or indeed care) about the rotational speed of Earth.



The possibility that a genuine ETI signal signal being beamed from light years away would be picked up by the first beam for 72 seconds and not by the second 3 minutes later is so vastly remote, that statistically speaking, Occam's Razor would dictate that the sender knew when the first beam was no longer detecting it. ...then again, Occam's Razor also suggests it wasn't an ETI signal.



I cannot seriously take your statement that searching at 1420mhz is a massive assumption on our part. The possibility that a genuine ETI signal signal being beamed from light years away would be picked up by the first beam for 72 seconds and not by the second 3 minutes later is so vastly remote, that statistically speaking, Occam's Razor would dictate that the sender knew when the first beam was no longer detecting it. ...then again, Occam's Razor also suggests it wasn't an ETI signal.



With all due respect, I think that's rather foolish. I don't think you really mean that...



Of course the notion that ET would transmit at 1420mhz is a massive assumption (albeit not an unreasonable one); even the SETI @Home team would admit that. All SETI work is based on "assumptions", some more massive than others.



"We can scarcely imagine [ET's] thought processes, or their reasons and methods for communicating with us. All we can do is make some educated guesses based on our own knowledge and technology. And even if we are wrong about the aliens' reasoning, we can still hope that they will try to tailor their signal to our own naïve expectations." Message 777474 - Posted 2 Jul 2008 21:30:52 UTC - in response to Message ID 777228. You originally said, WOW! only ticked one box. Let's review how many boxes WOW! actually does tick



Nearly all of the scientific community states that the ideal frequency to look for a signal would be 1420mhz. This is where WOW! was found. First tick in the box. You're right, this *IS* a tick in the box; a parameter invented by the humans who assigned it as a box to tick in the first place (though not without good reason). That in itself doesn't necessarily make it more likely to be an ETI signal than not, however. ...and "nearly all in the scientific community" is an extreme exaggeration. Even among SETI scientists, there is wide disagreement over whether radio is "ideal" to listen to for ETI in the first place.



Regardless, if the WOW! signal were a one-time glitch, it would be a remarkable coincidence that it occurred around this frequency. Nevertheless, mere chance alone dictates it's possible. 1420mhz is universally banned for terrestrial transmission ergo, WOW! could not have been terrestial in origin. Second tick in the box.Not unless the "transmission" was in fact a glitch in the Big Ear in the first place; in that case it would have very much been terrestrial in origin. The direction of WOW! was not that of one of the planets in the solar system. Third tick in the box.



The origin of WOW! was not a satelite. Four ticks in the box. I wont count the possibility of reflected signals off asteroids or planes etc although these could arguably be claimed as further ticks in the box.



WOW! was a narrow band signal and narrow band signals dont happen naturally. Five ticks in the box. None of those are really "ticks in the box" if the WOW! Signal since none of those objects were in the direction of the second beam three minutes later either, and a glitch could also be described as an unnatural source for the narrow band detection. WOW! signal intensity and duration matched that expected due to the Earth's rotation. Six ticks in the box. ...but failed the expected confirmation by the second beam, suggesting that there was really nothing extraterrestrial being detected in the first place. I could go on but I think my point is proven. Only to those who persist in the blind faith notion that WOW! was a significant extraterrestrial detection or disavow alternative explanations. It is correct Big Ear only picked up ONE instance of the signal however, its wrong to assume the sender 'switched off' the signal at just the right time. It could be purely co incidental if the signal beam was transmitted for a specific duration then transmitted in a totally different direction. Again, why is it "wrong" to assume that the sender switched off the signal after it was detected by the first beam but right for you to assume that the sender switched the signal's direction after it was detected by the first beam??? I'm not understanding that.



Since the signal was only detected for 72 seconds by the first beam and not detected 3 minutes later by the second beam, if you believe that it was a genuine ETI signal, then there are only TWO possibilities. Either

a) The sender switched the signal off right before the second beam would've confirmed it

or

b) The sender switched the signal's direction right before the second beam would've confirmed it Maybe I'm stupid, but if you believe that it was a genuine ETI signal, then aren't both possibilities equally likely and equally as much of a coincidence? The sender doesnt even need to know (or indeed care) about the rotational speed of Earth. The possibility that a genuine ETI signal signal being beamed from light years away would be picked up by the first beam for 72 seconds and not by the second 3 minutes later is so vastly remote, that statistically speaking, Occam's Razor would dictate that the sender knew when the first beam was no longer detecting it. ...then again, Occam's Razor also suggests it wasn't an ETI signal. I cannot seriously take your statement that searching at 1420mhz is a massive assumption on our part.

With all due respect, I think that's rather foolish. I don't think you really mean that...



Of course the notion that ET would transmit at 1420mhz is a massive assumption (albeit not an unreasonable one); even the SETI@Home team would admit that. All SETI work is based on "assumptions", some more massive than others.



"We can scarcely imagine [ET's] thought processes, or their reasons and methods for communicating with us. All we can do is make some educated guesses based on our own knowledge and technology. And even if we are wrong about the aliens' reasoning, we can still hope that they will try to tailor their signal to our own naïve expectations." My premise is not that WOW! was indisputably a signal from another civilisation beyond our solar system but, one that a probably signal has been debunked when it satisfies many of the criteria SETI and the scientific community have set out for determining a signal IS from an extra terrestial civilisation.



You quoted Sagan previously regarding extraordinary claims needing extraordinary evidence yet, you mention the spectre of life so alien we possibly could not comprehend it as such. We may as well argue that rock on the beach nearby is life but 'not as we know it.' From all the papers I've read, even Erhman now seems to suggest WOW! was not a glitch and ticked more boxes than it didnt. What Im saying is, definitely discounting WOW! is wrong. It should be classed as unproven but potentially a viable signal. Message 777961 - Posted 3 Jul 2008 14:31:49 UTC - in response Message ID 77474 Last modified: 3 Jul 2008 14:32:31 UTC You quoted Sagan previously regarding extraordinary claims needing extraordinary evidence yet, you mention the spectre of life so alien we possibly could not comprehend it as such. We may as well argue that rock on the beach nearby is life but 'not as we know it.' Not sure I follow you there...

I never made any post on these forums about "life so alien we possibly could not comprehend it as such". Indeed, I believe in commonly held astrobiology guidelines regarding anything we could classify as "life", such as metabolism, etc etc. This is why I believe that synthetic organisms not of natural origin could also be classified as "life" someday.

Since a rock doesn't meet those criteria, it couldn't be classified as life. What Im saying is, definitely discounting WOW! is wrong. It should be classed as unproven but potentially a viable signal. Here's the thing:

I never said that WOW! was absolutely, without doubt NOT a genuine ETI signal. I did say that it seems fairly clear to me that the possibility that it *is* an ETI signal appears incredibly remote. I believe that future consideration of WOW! is fruitless: As the SETI@Home team and the people of the SETI Institute know, "signals" are detected all the time; the issue is weeding out the ones that cannot be confirmed or can be otherwise explained. Indeed, Seth Shostak often mentions a potential signal that was being continuously detected for one whole day. Since WOW! failed the very first attempt at confirmation just three minutes after it was initially detected, I don't feel it should be given anymore consideration than any other false alarm. Message 780281- Posted 7 Jul 2008 15:54:28 UTC Hello all This post is a very very good read. I see now how people have different ideas on the known universe.



There are more stars out there that may support life then we can ever count. We are now finding out that you may have life on a moon or small body that may be very far away from a star. This alone may effect how we look for life. Now advance life that may be close to us, may be very very rare. Humans may not be here now if there was not a major event that caused us to climb to the top of the food chain. Humans has only looked into space for a blink of an eye and the earth has been here for millions of years. (this is very short time)



I do think that we are not alone.



I do think we are among a select few that has become self aware.



Now I have two big question for all that may have an answer.



When the WOW signal was found, how long was it before the public was informed?



Next question is that, every signal that comes from earth has some kind of data in it. It is very hard for me to take in that the WOW signal cant be traced back to some kind of transmition. If the signal came from earth, it would be very easy to know what it was and where it came from.

The wow signal must have came from deep space. Also there would be some kind of data in the WOW signal.



I know there is alot of back ground noise that could make a signal. But most signals that have came from humans has some kind of data. It is safe to say that any ET that can produce a signal that would be dected from earth would be far more advance than us, and would put some kind of data in the signal also. Is the WOW signal truely a WOW or not? We may never know...ID: 780281 Message 780340 - Posted 7 Jul 2008 19:23:37 UTC - in response to Message ID 780281. Last modified: 7 Jul 2008 19:24:34 UTC the earth has been here for millions of years. (this is very short time) The Earth has been here for about ~ 4.6 billion years. When the WOW signal was found, how long was it before the public was informed? I don't think the public was ever officially "informed" since the scientists at the Big Ear felt there was nothing to "inform" them about; there was no confirmation, hence, nothing to announce. So there were never any public press conferences on "WOW!"



When the signal was detected, scientists at other radio observatories were contacted and some effort was made by independent teams to redetect the signal, all to no avail. I suppose you could say that as soon as the scientists at the Big Ear observatory contacted other teams around the world, that was "informing the public". Of course, during this time, the press got a hold of the information and made a big deal out of it as they've done several times in the past with detections that turned out to be false alarms. Next question is that, every signal that comes from earth has some kind of data in it. It is very hard for me to take in that the WOW signal cant be traced back to some kind of transmition. If the signal came from earth, it would be very easy to know what it was and where it came from. Nope.

The Big Ear was not capable of deciphering or interpreting any kind of data that might have been encoded on the signal. All it could do was measure the intensity of the radio waves. http://www.bigear.org/6equj5.htm



Imagine if you had a little decibel reader that could tell you when it detected a loud noise and what the decibel level of that noise was. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be able to tell you if the noise was a piece by Mozart or someone banging on a wall. The wow signal must have came from deep space. Many SETI scientists disagree with you. Also, "must" is a strong word. Like I said, it's possible. Also there would be some kind of data in the WOW signal. Since Big Ear only recorded the intensity of the radio waves, it did not record any data that might have been encoded on the signal. Of course, *IF* any data was encoded on the signal in the first place; there's no evidence of that. I know there is alot of back ground noise that could make a signal Just to be clear and fair, to my knowledge there is no known natural background noise in interstellar space capable of producing an emission similar to WOW! But most signals that have came from humans has some kind of data. It is safe to say that any ET that can produce a signal that would be dected from earth would be far more advance than us, and would put some kind of data in the signal also. I agree that ET would likely encode data in any emission we detected. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if any data was encoded in WOW! Message 780360- Posted 7 Jul 2008 20:48:46 UTC I disagree with a number of Taurus' points.



The WOW! signal was not immediately 'detected' by the Big Ear team. Such was the state of SETI signal searching at the time, Ehman didnt even get around to reading the data output from Big Ear until sometime afterwards. In fact, he states it was a couple of days later that he found the signal data.



Its true other scientists attempted to re find WOW! but the EXACT position that the signal came from is not certain. Therefore, trying to find the signal again is like searching for the proverbial needle. Its also interesting to note that WOW! is mainly talked about to debunk it coming from a non terrestial source. If the signal had of been re detected, it would be interesting to know IF as much effort would have been put into letting the public know it WAS a signal rather than it not being.



Next point is Taurus states many SETI scientist disagree WOW! came from deep space. Really! Let's hear their arguments then because I havent seen any. ALL the indications are the signal came from outside our solar system (assuming it wasnt a glitch, of course and if it was a glitch, statistically, that 'glitch should have been repeated but it never did!)



The signal was near the 1420Mhz frequency. MOst scientists claim this is the ideal place to search for a signal. Curiously, some scientists say its not but these are probably the same scientists who claim life could be so alien, we wouldnt recognise it as such. In other words, that rock in your garden 'may' be life but because its alien, we'd never know!



Taurus is correct that Big Ear couldnt detect any message in the signal even if one was present. We will never know however whether WOW! DID contain any other information because of that simple fact. And in any event, Big Ear was only looking for a marker signal which WOW! could well turn out to be.



Taurus even admits there is no known natural background noise in space capable of making WOW! As I have previously said, we can rule out a number of causes for WOW but it is virtually consigned to the rubbish bin of history.



Whilst I conceed there is no definite proof that WOW! was from an ET civilisation, there is sufficient evidence to suggest it possibly was. ID: 780360 Message 780376 - Posted 7 Jul 2008 21:34:25 UTC Last modified: 7 Jul 2008 21:35:33 UTC Centenary writes:



"...Big Ear was only looking for a marker signal which WOW! could well turn out to be."



Okay, but marking what? If ET was telling us to stay tuned to that channel, we did, and heard nothing more. There were numerous efforts to hear something more there.



"Whilst I conceed there is no definite proof that WOW! was from an ET civilisation, there is sufficient evidence to suggest it possibly was."



Much as I'd love to see us find a signal, I think it's far more likely that WOW was a hoax or a glitch. Just possibly it was ET. But there's nothing more we can reasonably do, is there, besides keep listening? Without exhaustive verification, nobody in her right mind is going to call CNN and say, "Hey, we found ET!" By the same token, I'll bet that if there was a verified signal, word would get out quickly even if some government or agency tried to bury it. "Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else." (Han Solo) ID: 780376 Message 780384 - Posted 7 Jul 2008 21:55:39 UTC Thank you for your views centenary , Taurus. I did not know that there was not a recording of the actual signal. It seems to me that there would be some kind of recording of this signal somewhere. ( i know if i was working there that would be the first thing I would do is record it )



Back to the start of my post.



If ET says hello today, and the press found out about it, we could have mass hysteria. Many people would react in many different ways to this information.



Also, I feel the earth is like a becon. We are sending out lots more data into deep space then there are people looking for ET's signal.



It it far more likely that they would find us before we find them.



I just wounder, if we knew ET was out there... would / should we say anything back. ID: 780384 Message 780431 - Posted 7 Jul 2008 23:04:33 UTC - in response to Message ID 780360. I disagree with a number of Taurus' points. The WOW! signal was not immediately 'detected' by the Big Ear team. Such was the state of SETI signal searching at the time, Ehman didnt even get around to reading the data output from Big Ear until sometime afterwards. In fact, he states it was a couple of days later that he found the signal data. First of all, for your information, the Big Ear's detection of the WOW! Signal was discovered by Jerry Ehman the same night it was detected. He circled the detected emission and wrote "WOW!" that very night. The Big Ear's project director saw the detection report the next morning. Second of all, I absolutely never said it was "immediately detected" by the Big Ear team anyway: My posts are above for all to see. ...and I'm VERY well aware of how SETI signal searching currently works. You say "at the time" which implies that it works differently today; it doesn't. Ironically, unlike the radio detection work being done at the Big Ear, whether it's the work of the SETI@Home team or the SETI Institute, any potential signal that is detected won't be "seen" by the team until well after the detection has actually occurred. Even the work units being processed on the distributed computing network here represent "old" data, not detections in real-time. Its true other scientists attempted to re find WOW! but the EXACT position that the signal came from is not certain. Therefore, trying to find the signal again is like searching for the proverbial needle. That's a gross exaggeration and a misunderstanding on your part.

The area in which WOW! was found is known with certainty within a small enough range of coordinates that reasonable and accurate searches of the area have already been done and turned up nothing. Ehman knows this and has said as much many times. Its also interesting to note that WOW! is mainly talked about to debunk it coming from a non terrestial source. If the signal had of been re detected, it would be interesting to know IF as much effort would have been put into letting the public know it WAS a signal rather than it not being. We've already been over this. If you think radio astronomers and SETI scientists would conspire to keep a confirmed signal like WOW! from the public, then you might as well be wearing a tin-foil hat. Next point is Taurus states many SETI scientist disagree WOW! came from deep space. Really! Let's hear their arguments then because I havent seen any. ALL the indications are the signal came from outside our solar system (assuming it wasnt a glitch, of course and if it was a glitch, statistically, that 'glitch should have been repeated but it never did!) You're stating patent falsehoods without even doing some basic online searching yourself. With all due respect, that's lazy and sloppy on your part. "Something suggests it was an Earth-bound signal that simply got reflected off a piece of space debris." - Jerry Ehman, 1994



On whether the signal actually came from interstellar space: "I can speculate, too, but there's nothing to back it up,"

- Jerry Ehman, 1994 "Yeah, the wow signal. Well, it's pretty wow-y. But it doesn't seem to have been ET. Lots of people have gone back and they even, they immediately had a following beam on the sky that swept through that same patch of the heavens, just shortly after they got that signal, and didn't see it. And people have gone back there looking, you know, with more sensitivity, more frequencies, and nobody's ever found it again. So it's not good enough. It's like seeing a ghost in your basement once. It's not enough to believe in ghosts. If you see them every time you look, now that's okay, you might believe then. So it was undoubtedly some sort of interference."

- Seth Shostak, Senior Astronomer of the SETI Institute



Ehman inexplicably changed his mind by 2007, even though no new data regarding WOW! had come to light and all data available to him in 2007 was the same data he had had for the last 30 years in which he consistently stated his opinion that WOW! was likely not an ETI signal.



He wrote an extensive 30th anniversary report on WOW! which you can read here: http://www.bigear.org/Wow30th/wow30th.htm#speculations He now personally places low probability in every alternative explanation for WOW! other than ETI. As I said, the reasons for his change of heart are difficult to ascertain. Whilst I conceed there is no definite proof that WOW! was from an ET civilisation, there is sufficient evidence to suggest it possibly was. The problem is, scientific proof doesn't work that way.

"Possibly was" is never good enough to conclude anything, and as I've said before, most in the SETI community feel the "evidence" you seem to believe exists for WOW! is not compelling enough to warrant much further investigation. For example, the SETI Institute's multi-million dollar Allen Telescope Array is the most expensive and powerful devoted SETI tool in the world. SETI astronomers have devised targeted lists of locations which the ATA will scan....

...and guess what?

The location of WOW! isn't one of them.ID: 780431 Message 780506 - Posted 8 Jul 2008 1:25:55 UTC Cyrax wrote: "Also, I feel the earth is like a becon. We are sending out lots more data into deep space then there are people looking for ET's signal." Actually, in terms of radio emissions, earth is more like a kerosene lamp in thick fog than a beacon. Many of the radio signals we generate never make it out of our atmosphere. They're reflected back by the ionosphere. Most of those that do are very weak, and fade very quickly into the cosmic noise. Nothing we transmit could probably be detected by anyone, no matter how advanced, at a distance of more than a few lightyears. To make things more difficult, there are at least two other more powerful radio sources here, the sun and Jupiter. If a civilization with radio habits just like ours existed in the Tau Ceti system, 12 light years away, or the Epsilon Erandi system at 10 lightyears, we probably wouldn't ever be able to hear them unless they decided to send a very powerful signal directly at us, and kept sending for a long time. We'd never be able to watch their TV programs or listen to their Top 40 radio. Those signals would simply be lost in the cosmic noise. "Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else." (Han Solo) ID: 780506 Message 780755 - Posted 8 Jul 2008 15:25:29 UTC Hello Sparrow, I agree with everything you stated. The only problem is that, your statment may have been true in the 1950s , 1960s , 1970s. Our level of technology has increased 1000 times sence then. The power of most transmitters are powerful enough to go very very far into space. Even alot of earth's satellites are powerful enough to transmit very very deep into space and they are already beyond our atmosphere. You are very correct that TV and Raido may not go far into space. This is true if the broadcast is from ground level. But we do have other broadcast that are very strong that go into space every day that are not ground base. Also it is true that our brodcast would get weaker the further it went into deep space and the background noise may over come any brodcast we send, but there is data in all our brodcast. If ET is smart, they would be looking for very very weak signals that may have data or structure. And we should be doing the same. thankyou for the wounderful information, I love to here all view points and consider all. ID: 780755 Message781005 - Posted 9 Jul 2008 2:16:55 UTC - in response to Message ID 780755. You are very correct that TV and Raido may not go far into space. This is true if the broadcast is from ground level. But we do have other broadcast that are very strong that go into space every day that are not ground base. The problem with those satellites is that they're not broadcasting into deep space, their signals are aimed directly down below towards Earth; this is different than what the transmitting towers of the 20th century did when they broadcast omnidirectional radio signals around the globe. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_search_action.php Messages matching your query: 1) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Help with Signal Candidates (Message 917395)

Posted 22 days ago by Johnney Guinness

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I disagree with THE statement made in this forum, that THE so called 'WOW SIGNAL' was all media hype. THE SIGNAL was and is a genuine unknown. Its source was never identified. Given THE fact that its duration matched THE time a star would take to cross through THE antenna beam, it seems likely that THE source was at least interplanetary, if not interstellar. No known space craft from Earth was at that location in THE sky at THE time. THE fact that THE SIGNAL could not be heard again made it impossible to prove beyond all doubt it was from an extraterrestrial intelligence. Michael Michael,

I disagree with you. If you are talking in THE context of "Light hearted science for fun", THEn THE WOW! SIGNAL is completely open to debate and THEre are lots of possibilities. But if your talking in THE context of "Real Science", THE WOW SIGNAL is not science, its something that people latched on to because it gave THEm hope, its not science. Enzed my old friend,

Good to see you are still around :) I cannot give you a straight answer because i don't know. But i would also like to know THE answer to your questions. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_search_action.php Answer 1. I don't know. But i do know that THEy test THEir algorithms regularly by adding a man-made SIGNAL to see if THE algorithm with pick it up. You should watch THE video's of THE 10th anniversary, you will learn lots about THE exact science. Answer 2. I don't know. I believe THE recording part of THE work-unit is base 64 encoded for compression. You could try base64 to un-compress it and see if you can get THE recorded data. THE bit between <data length=354991 encoding="x-setiathome">BASE64_STUFF_HERE</data> (Note: I could be completely wrong) Answer 3. I also could be wrong but i believe its only recording 1.42GHz + or - a few Hertz eiTHEr side. On anoTHEr note, Steorn are still tagging people along for THE elusive ride. I'm sure its a scam, THEy have nothing new to contribute to science. THEy have picked THE "300", I'm one of THEm. Might as well be inside raTHEr than outside...LOL John.

2) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Help with Signal Candidates (Message 917346)

Posted 22 days ago by Michael Watson

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I disagree with THE statement made in this forum, that THE so called 'WOW SIGNAL' was all media hype. THE SIGNAL was and is a genuine unknown. Its source was never identified. Given THE fact that its duration matched THE time a star would take to cross through THE antenna beam, it seems likely that THE source was at least interplanetary, if not interstellar. No known space craft from Earth was at that location in THE sky at THE time. THE fact that THE SIGNAL could not be heard again made it impossible to prove beyond all doubt it was from an extraterrestrial intelligence. Michael

3) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Help with Signal Candidates (Message 916639)

Posted 25 days ago by Johnney Guinness

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SETI@home finds what it calls "Candidates" all THE time because space is very noisy with tonnes of radio waves at different frequencies and wave lengths. Candidates are just something interesting for THE scientists to re-check, so don't get too excited. SETI@home, nor any oTHEr organization, has ever detected life anywhere outside earth. THE "WOW" SIGNAL was just media hype. Watch THE SETI@home Science Status page; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sci_status.html (Its down at THE moment being repaired!). This is where you will see Candidate information. Lots of info in THE "About SETI@home" page; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/sah_about.php. You could also read About AstroPulse; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_faq.php and AstroPulse Science; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_info.php You cannot listen to THE SIGNALs that your computer is processing because its recorded around THE 1.42 GHz frequency, THE Hydrogen line. Your ears can only hear sounds between 20Hz and about 20,000Hz. You can however listen to modified space radio noise here; http://www.spacesounds.com/

And here; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/mx/ John.

4) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Help with Signal Candidates (Message 916575)

Posted 25 days ago by Sweetnutz

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New to this, but i have done alot of reading.. I have 2 big questions.. 1st.. Where are THEse 150-200 narrowband candidates that I have read so much about.. I would like to give THEm a listen if possible.

2nd.. Have THEre been any candidates from THE Astropulse survey and if so, is THEre someplace i could listen to that?? So far all i have heard are about 5 candidates one being THE WOW SIGNAL, I have read that it was almost certanly from 200 light years away and ive also read that it was confirmed to be terrestrial interference.. If someone could direct me to some kind of reliable source, that would be awesome. Thanks,

Mikey



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FD: Small, yes, but we live in a galaxy very rich in stars suitable for life. My estimate is we’ll find existing intelligent life in one in ten million stars.



AM: Speaking of listening at the right time, what are your thoughts about the “Wow signal ” received by the Big Ear telescope at Ohio State University in 1977?



FD: It’s an unsolved mystery. It could have been an alien signal, or it could have been a human signal inadvertently picked up, or something else, perhaps an equipment failure. Hundreds of people have looked for that signal over the years, but it’s never been repeated.



There have been some other tantalizing candidate signals. The long Harvard search of Horowitz and Sagan observed more than thirty signals that had the earmark of an extraterrestrial signal. The SETI@Home program has observed more than a hundred such signals. Both of these programs are automated, though, so no one was there at the time to do immediate follow-up observations. Researchers later tried to detect these signals, but, as with the Wow signal, they’ve been unsuccessful. So the origin of these signals is an open question.



Project Phoenix of the SETI Institute also has found many good candidates, but that program could immediately determine the origin of the signal and all of them turned out to be of human origin. It may be that all the potential signals detected so far were generated by humans. But for now they remain a mystery, and that gives hope to those of us who search for alien signals." Extracts posted 27/8/08 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Denison To: info@seti.org Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: THE LIGHT IS RISING NOW RISING IS THE LIGHT FRATERNAL GREETINGS CITIZENS OF PLANET EARTH GOODWILL SALUTATIONS TO ALL SENTIENT BEINGS THOUGHTS OF PEACE AND LOVE OF LOVE AND LIGHT MESSAGE EMANATING FROM DAVID DENISON 9 WINDSOR ROAD IN THE LIGHT OF THE WOW SIGNAL AND SETI - LO AND BEHOLD SUCH A SIGNAL AS THAT RA-IN-BOW GOOD WISHES DAVID http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/ADVENT%20ALL%20SORTS%207.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/ADVENT%20695.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/THE%20ALIEN%20.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/SERENDIPITY.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/ADVENT%20950.html http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/FIRST%20CONTACT%20ONE.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/ADVENT%20703.htm http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/Alchemy/ADVENT%20948.html http://973-eht-namuh-973.com/coloured%20site/fifth%20button/fifthindex.htm

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Email Address: lly@seti.org ---- Original Message ----- From: Dave Denison To:Dennison Matthew Cc: sherpa 42 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: THE EAGLE HAS LANDED

Hiya Matthew I thought to mark the moon landing of the 20th of July 1969 with this e-mail. At the time I was painting the Nuclear family in the front room at 75 Kingsway and watched the moon landing on the 21st of July at around 3-20pm GMT. Both Florence and I thought this an inspired moment. The material below I sent to the all and sundry of Planet Earth some years ago. Have a lovely time when you go to Lee-on-the solent, I have invoked the good wishes of the God of the sea Neptune, (Roman name), or (Poseidon) in Greek. Take care and look forward to seeing you soon. Love and good wishes to you all, and a big kiss for a big lad wah Frank. David. From; sherpa42 To:david denizen Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:36 PM Subject: Thank you Good Afternoon Davide, Hope all is well? Good to see you last night. It was a nice crowd that were out. I drunk a bit too much too quickly and bailed out about 11-00. I had a good birthday though... Thanks for the card and the money. It is much appreciated. They have a tent sale on at Mitchells at the moment and I have an eye on one that will be great for the 3 of us. You probably know but Grandma would have been 99 tomorrow. God bless her... Have a good weekend and speak to you soon.

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