The world of college football recruiting is a shady one, even when all parties involved are following the rules.

That’s because there’s a lot of negative recruiting that goes on, where one coach takes a shot at another coach behind closed doors to try to land big-time recruits.

According to 5-star OT Jackson Carman, who signed with Clemson on Wednesday, coach Dabo Swinney convinced him to choose the Tigers by saying Ohio State coach Urban Meyer was on the back end of his career:

Dabo Swinney told Jackson Carman during his recruitment that Urban Meyer is on the back end of his career in terms of years left. “It wasn’t a major factor, but it was an underlying one,” Carman said. — Ari Wasserman (@AriWasserman) December 20, 2017

Swinney, who genuinely seems to be a nice guy, probably didn’t appreciate Carman telling that story, but it’s not hard to believe that it actually happened.

Still, it’s been only a couple of hours since Carman signed with the Tigers and he’s probably already in the doghouse with his new head coach.