This article first appeared at Bitcoin Not Bombs.

I had the opportunity to sit down with Cody Wilson, the creator of the world’s first 3D printed gun and founder of Defense Distributed, at the Freedom Summit in Phoenix, AZ. We were both there to give talks on Bitcoin and the event was put on by radio host Ernest Hancock of Freedom’s Phoenix and Declare Your Independence.

In this interview we discuss philosophy, decentralized resistance, Dark Wallet, Defense Distributed, and the role of humor in activism. I really enjoyed talking with Cody, who is fascinating and frank in this interview, and we covered a lot of ground. Cody highlights the effectiveness of doing activism without asking permission and how Kafka-esque the current system is becoming.

Cody will also be at the upcoming Bitcoin in the Beltway conference put on by Jason King of Sean’s Outpost. You can see him and a lot of other awesome folks and help charity while you enjoy the conference–10 of proceeds go to support Sean’s Outpost Homeless Outreach.