

Nuckfuts

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join:2003-10-18

Joliet, IL 1 recommendation Nuckfuts Premium Member I will follow I will be one of the cord cutters in the near future. TV packages are becoming too pricey from greedy networks. I only watch certain channels and cannot stand how you need "X" package to get that channel.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: I will follow What Id like to know is how this makes any sense

""While some of these numbers seem minimal, they should still raise concern for Pay-TV Providers," states the firm, "since multiplied by millions of subscribers, the revenue threat alone is apparent."



Any comments made by a firm that doesnt realize that the majority of payTV providers are also ISP's , should be completely ignored. Aside from the dish companies, not another pay-tv provider is worried in the least. The day of metered internet is slowly approaching, see ya in about 20 years, Pss worried my shoe.

kaila

join:2000-10-11

Lincolnshire, IL kaila Member Re: I will follow Oh, they're always worried about threats to core businesses, but the one advantage CATV/HSI providers have enjoyed on the broadband side are expanding margins, taking advantage of the continual drops in the cost of providing service.



I think metering, however likely, isn't quite a panacea or guaranteed. There was a post here a while back about shareholders questioning the massive expense needed just to accommodate metered billing. Counting bytes is not trivial.



TechyDad

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We just cut the cord this week. We're saving $80+ a month by switching from TV+Internet to just Internet. Even counting Hulu and Amazon VOD, we're still saving quite a bit every month. (We already subscribed to Netflix and Amazon Prime before cutting cable and would have continued with them had we kept cable so I don't really count those.)



My kids were the biggest vocal opponents having just decided that they loved a half dozen shows *right* before we canceled and that they couldn't live without them. Since cutting cable, they've mentioned two of the shows. One is streaming on Netflix (one season behind which isn't a big deal) and we might buy them DVDs of the other one (and still save money).

96964493 (banned)

join:2015-01-09

USA 96964493 (banned) Member Others And they'll leave their current providers to go somewhere else. Otherwise why need TiVO when you can only record a handful of OTA channels. Not worth it when Hulu is cheaper.



LukeBK

@cablemo.net LukeBK Anon Re: Others There are a lot of OTA DVRs out there for $150-$250. Yes its a big one time cost but you own it for life. Once you have you can record shows. Man people get 30+ channels with a OTA setup.



chuch

join:2001-04-11

Tampa, FL chuch Member Re: Others Build or reuse - PC, install an HDTV tuner card and run Windows Media Center on Windows. Works great and my big living room TV makes an awesome monitor with ease of access for all steaming services (except HBO Go until later this year)

96964493 (banned)

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I was saying about TiVO. Owning a TiVO never made sense with the requirement of HSI plus paying for it monthly.



And not everyone can get OTA which is an issue as well.

broadbandmav

join:2014-01-08

New Rochelle, NY broadbandmav Member Re: Others 1. If not for high speed internet, how would one get updated guide data?

2. You don't need to pay monthly if you get a lifetime sub, and this option significantly adds to the resale value.



davidc502

join:2002-03-06

Mount Juliet, TN 1 recommendation davidc502 Member Sink or Swim Networks like Viacom who have a bunch of stations, to which only 1 or 2 are somewhat popular will sink or swim under cable cutting. Or stations like the weather channel, will have to make decisions on if they can afford to continue to cover a million things other than the weather.



What we are seeing is markets adjusting to services that are clearly getting out of control.

96964493 (banned)

join:2015-01-09

USA 96964493 (banned) Member Re: Sink or Swim Viacom is starting to launch a streaming app of their own.



davidc502

join:2002-03-06

Mount Juliet, TN davidc502 Member Re: Sink or Swim And when people aren't signing up in the numbers they want, maybe they will realize they aren't as hot as they'd like to think they are.



OpTiC

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join:2014-03-08

West Covina, CA OpTiC Premium Member I will not follow I think cord cutting is great but I am missing tons of channels I got get with Netflix and Amazon.



Brian_M

join:2004-06-19

Manchester, GA ·Charter

1 recommendation Brian_M Member Re: I will not follow [Serious] How much TV do you watch? My wife and I cut the pay-TV bill a bit over 3 years ago, it's easy to tell how much we consume now. On average, 90 minutes a day is all we watch. That's mostly an hour on weekdays and 2~3 on weekends.. though I've only really been paying attention over this last winter so I'm curious to see if that drops as we get outside and do more through the summer.



In other words, we could have had a hundred channels but only watch ONE show a night, or 2 half-hour shows. It's simply about entertainment, neither of us have Any hang-ups on "favorite" shows... so if we can be entertained, it's good enough.



I didn't think that would be the case though, it's morphed into this. We used to just let the TV run for up to 16 hours on weekend days, flipping through the channels. It took time (6~9 months?) to really get over the addiction... the Constant noise/stimulation. But since then it's don nothing but get better. Now when I'm stuck somewhere with pay-TV (I spent 2 weeks with my folks this past February), it's more annoying than anything else.



I think it's funny that people get so up in arms over this though... no skin off my back if you like your tons of channels. Similarly it shouldn't bother you in the least that I simply opt out. It'd be like getting mad that I only pay $10/month for a basic cell phone service instead of $100+/month for a data/smartphone plan.



TechyDad

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join:2001-07-13

USA TechyDad Premium Member Re: I will not follow When I told my parents that we were cutting cable, my father couldn't fathom why. "But you won't have access to ALL of those channels." No, we won't, but we also only watched a handful of shows on a tiny subset of those channels and we can continue watching those via OTA/Hulu/Netflix/Amazon for much less than on cable.



OpTiC

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said by Brian_M: [Serious] How much TV do you watch? My wife and I cut the pay-TV bill a bit over 3 years ago, it's easy to tell how much we consume now. On average, 90 minutes a day is all we watch. That's mostly an hour on weekdays and 2~3 on weekends.. though I've only really been paying attention over this last winter so I'm curious to see if that drops as we get outside and do more through the summer.



In other words, we could have had a hundred channels but only watch ONE show a night, or 2 half-hour shows. It's simply about entertainment, neither of us have Any hang-ups on "favorite" shows... so if we can be entertained, it's good enough.



I didn't think that would be the case though, it's morphed into this. We used to just let the TV run for up to 16 hours on weekend days, flipping through the channels. It took time (6~9 months?) to really get over the addiction... the Constant noise/stimulation. But since then it's don nothing but get better. Now when I'm stuck somewhere with pay-TV (I spent 2 weeks with my folks this past February), it's more annoying than anything else.



I think it's funny that people get so up in arms over this though... no skin off my back if you like your tons of channels. Similarly it shouldn't bother you in the least that I simply opt out. It'd be like getting mad that I only pay $10/month for a basic cell phone service instead of $100+/month for a data/smartphone plan. When I used to have Charter in LA and tried out cord cutting. I regret it. I just can't live without cable tv. That is why I have a triple play with TWC in LA.

96964493 (banned)

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USA 96964493 (banned) Member Re: I will not follow But why do you need Triple Play to get TV? Digital phone is worthless with cell phones being so cheap anymore.



OpTiC

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West Covina, CA OpTiC Premium Member Re: I will not follow I have a triple play I use the TV, Internet and Phone. The phone is for free TWC calling to China. I call my family in China and Hong Kong.



maartena

Elmo

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Orange, CA maartena to OpTiC

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said by OpTiC : I think cord cutting is great but I am missing tons of channels I got get with Netflix and Amazon.



Cutting the cord isn't about replacing tit for tat, channel for channel. It is about figuring out what it is you actually watch, and figuring out if there are alternatives that don't cost that much money.



Eventually, most programming will make it to some form of online format. To me, cable television has become the premium of having it NOW, instead of 6 months from now. And also remember that you don't have to subscribe to everything at the same time. If you love Game of Thrones but don't like many other HBO things, you get HBO Stand-Alone for 1 month when the full season is on there, and watch it. Then you cancel it again.



"Sub Hopping" is going to be the new trend among cable cutters. I think the statement above is the biggest fear people have about cutting the cord. They are afraid to lose the 200+ channels they have, even though they probably never watched 150 of those channels more then 15 minutes, just by adding up the few seconds you are there channel flipping.Cutting the cord isn't about replacing tit for tat, channel for channel. It is about figuring out what it is you actually watch, and figuring out if there are alternatives that don't cost that much money.Eventually, most programming will make it to some form of online format. To me, cable television has become the premium of having it NOW, instead of 6 months from now. And also remember that you don't have to subscribe to everything at the same time. If you love Game of Thrones but don't like many other HBO things, you get HBO Stand-Alone for 1 month when the full season is on there, and watch it. Then you cancel it again."Sub Hopping" is going to be the new trend among cable cutters.

BB_Hunter

join:2008-05-16 BB_Hunter Member Satellite free tomorrow! As of tomorrow my Dish service will go inactive and I'll join the cord cutting group. Timed it perfectly with the news of HBO Now too! Netflix + Hulu + HBO Now for a little over $30/mo vs my $160 Dish bill.



Boricua

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join:2002-01-26

Sacramuerto Boricua Premium Member Re: Satellite free tomorrow! I already cut the cord a few months ago and saved myself about $150/mo. I really didn't watch much TV but I will miss AJA and the Tennis Channel (and maybe a couple others). I've gotten a Roku with Netflix and Amazon Prime, and that's all I need. I watch a couple of OTA channels like Caso Cerrado on Telemundo but nothing much else.

tkdslr

join:2004-04-24

Pompano Beach, FL tkdslr Member Re: Satellite free tomorrow! I'm still working on dumping Dish. Constructing and putting up a new bidirectional HDTV antenna (my dual yagi setup is being blocked to the north by a recently constructed 2 story house.)



Then their is my project to transfer my TB's of DVR'd recording's into a usable/archive-able format.

BB_Hunter

join:2008-05-16 BB_Hunter Member Re: Satellite free tomorrow! I bought an HDTV antenna just to see what we'd pickup but being more rural we only got 3 oddball stations. I think the breaking point for us on cutting the cord was the fact that nobody really watched it. We always found ourselves streaming things and if push comes to shove there's also Vudu if the other streaming services don't have specific shows we can just buy season passes to watch them.



chuch

join:2001-04-11

Tampa, FL chuch Member Re: Satellite free tomorrow! Check out » transition.fcc.gov/mb/en ··· dtvmaps/ - you'll be able to look up the distance and direction your DTV feeds come from. It helped me greatly when I put up my OTA antenna.



IowaCowboy

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Springfield, MA IowaCowboy Premium Member Advertising Netflix doesn't have commercials, Cable does. The only reason I keep cable is news programming (Weather channel, evening news, Fox News).

54761437 (banned)

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Durham, NC 54761437 (banned) Member Re: Advertising Yes, and here's hoping Netflix doesn't follow in the steps of Hulu Plus and force paying customers to watch ads.



TechyDad

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Depending on where you live, you might be able to get that via OTA: » www.antennaweb.org/

96964493 (banned)

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No but Netflix can easily load them into the content without a problem, especially if the content prices keep going up on them. They'll either be forced to raise prices and lose customers like they did or put in ads and keep low prices, and lose customers that way. Shareholders won't allow them to keep losing money if content keeps going up.



syslock

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join:2007-02-03

La La Land syslock Premium Member Already Cut Cut the cord last year.



Its sooooo nice to NOT have a huge cable bill every month.

I pay for internet only.



News etc from OTA or Internet, everything else, Prime and Netflix.



davidc502

join:2002-03-06

Mount Juliet, TN davidc502 Member Re: Already Cut said by syslock: Cut the cord last year. Cut the cord last year as well... Saving 1000 dollars a year for it. It's a nice chunk of change over time.



Brian_M

join:2004-06-19

Manchester, GA ·Charter

Brian_M Member Re: Already Cut Just over 3 years here... though I think my wife and I were pre-disposed to the idea already. When we were living together all we had was OTA, so for nearly 3 years in the earl '00s we watched OTA content and I streamed media to my original Xbox via XBMC.

sandman_1

join:2011-04-23

11111 sandman_1 Member A la carte They say it is expensive? If people watch up to 10 channels and are paying $100 or more, that is at least $10/channel, that's if you watch 10 channels. And people here bitch about how a la carte is more expensive?



aaronwt

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aaronwt Premium Member Re: A la carte said by sandman_1: They say it is expensive? If people watch up to 10 channels and are paying $100 or more, that is at least $10/channel, that's if you watch 10 channels. And people here bitch about how a la carte is more expensive? That does sound expensive. That sounds close to what i paid for Tv fourteen years ago. My bills have been going down since I left DirecTV. Now I pay around $70 before taxes, I have many, many times the number of HD channels I had back then, plus more tuners for recording and more content. Tv is so much less expensive now than what I had back then. if I cut the cord my costs would balloon to well over $100 again.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

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If those 10 Channels are within 1 or 2 bundles it works out great but if those 10 channels are in 10 different bundles it may end up being more expensive.



SysOp

join:2001-04-18

Atlanta, GA SysOp Member For me, it's the content Over the air works for me. I'd pay for better content, and no commercials.



I turned off Marvels Agents of SHEILD half way through because of the poor scripting in an attempt to stretch out the plot. The story kept getting off track with all the unnecessary side drama between the characters.



Glad I don't pay for tv.



n2jtx

join:2001-01-13

Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member Re: For me, it's the content said by SysOp: Over the air works for me. I'd pay for better content, and no commercials.



I turned off Marvels Agents of SHEILD half way through because of the poor scripting in an attempt to stretch out the plot. The story kept getting off track with all the unnecessary side drama between the characters.



Glad I don't pay for tv. Works for me too in the New York City area. We have a lot of channels and new digital sub-channels are coming on almost every other month now. Many are not even on our local cable system; MeTV, DECADES and Grit. I do have a Netflix subscription but I rarely use it as I only watched it for the classic TV programs. I am not into movies or most "modern" programming so not having cable is no loss for me.



gigahurtz

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join:2001-10-20

USA gigahurtz Premium Member Cut the cord a week and a half ago. We couldn't be happier. My wife, who I thought would struggle, loves Hulu/Netflix/Amazon Streaming so she hasn't missed a beat. Some of her shows aren't on there but overall she gets everything she wants and the house is much more quiet with no home phone ringing all day too!

amungus

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join:2004-11-26

America amungus Premium Member it's about time The costs for the "standard" plans have just gone full gonzo. When most folks really look at how much the "regular" TV plans cost, it's just crazy. I would have completely cut it, if it weren't for my wife wanting to keep some of it around. Come next year, we're very likely going with the "economy" tier, though (if not cutting it entirely).

The econo tier is at least somewhat reasonable (~$40) compared to the "standard" one (~$75, not even counting for box rental fees, which can be ~$20).



That's another factor. I've got an HDHomerun Prime + HTPC. Spare parts, plus a few new ones, plus tuner ...under $400 total, with no monthly fees...

Even Tivo, with its crazy fees is a better deal than a cable box, but only if you look at it as if you were buying a PC+tuner. It's otherwise not very competitive, since the monthly fees (or "lifetime" fees) are nearly identical to renting a box from your cable company. When you compare a "lifetime" fee + buying the box, I guess you could look at it as buying a PC+tuner, I guess.



Either way you slice it, ~$75 + ~$20/mo. (~$95/mo. total - our Dish bill was about $110 BTW) is just absurd for a lot of people. Our "promo" with cable + cablecard + internet is ok for now, but when that's done, I just can't justify the costs for a few extra channels (ESPN being a major one - tacking nearly $35 more per month on for it + a handful of other channels).



It would seem that many others also see this logic.



With SlingTV, even adding that (to "economy" teir at ~$40) for a few months during the fall would be far cheaper than adding to cable, let alone if I also paid for their box.

Economy tier + SlingTV would be ~$60/mo. total for TV

vs:

"Advanced" TV: ~$75/mo. (tack on a box rental at ~$20/mo. and that's right back to $95/mo.)

...hmmm..... 95 vs. 40-60. That's not hard to justify, in my mind. I will be just fine with not seeing all of one or two local football games that might be on FoxSports1, or not even aired in the 1st place to save that kind of money. Heck, I'd rather actually GO to a game or two vs. paying for the channels I won't watch 99.9% of the time.

suggy2004

join:2004-01-07

Conshohocken, PA suggy2004 Member Re: it's about time Once Tivo is Paid off ~ 2 years



The tivo has resale value

ncbill

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Then via Amazon you can subscribe to popular cable shows, commercial-free, on a per-episode basis.



New episodes are pushed down to the Tivo early in the morning after the night they air. said by amungus: Even Tivo, with its crazy fees is a better deal than a cable box, but only if you look at it as if you were buying a PC+tuner. It's otherwise not very competitive, since the monthly fees (or "lifetime" fees) are nearly identical to renting a box from your cable company. When you compare a "lifetime" fee + buying the box, I guess you could look at it as buying a PC+tuner, I guess. Used two-tuner Series 3 Tivo w/ lifetime is $250-$300 - for all your broadcast shows.Then via Amazon you can subscribe to popular cable shows, commercial-free, on a per-episode basis.New episodes are pushed down to the Tivo early in the morning after the night they air.

brianiscool

join:2000-08-16

Tampa, FL brianiscool Member Pull the plug. I canceled my service back in 2009.



abc453

@sbcglobal.net abc453 Anon Broadband rate will go up Broadband rate will go up to compensate cable cutters. Cable companies will make get their money either way. They don't really care if cable cutters are on the rise. Consumers like us are losers. I'm not too sure about whether or not net neutrality is good or bad. I don't think net neutrality can cap broadband rate. there are more than 600 pages in Net neutrality. Of course, there are loop holes that would benefit cable companies.

b10010011

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Bellingham, WA 1 edit b10010011 Member They forgot to mention how this will hurt Tivo Tivo's three Tivo Roamio offerings only the lowest priced model can record OTA, the other two (Roamio Plus and Roamio Pro) are cable TV only.



No Tivo's work with satellite TV.







aaronwt

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aaronwt Premium Member Re: They forgot to mention how this will hurt Tivo said by b10010011: Tivo's three Tivo Roamio offerings only the lowest priced model can record OTA, the other two (Roamio Plus and Roamio Pro) are cable TV only.



No Tivo's work with satellite TV. Sure they do. DirecTV sells a two Tuner TiVo that can be used. Although it's not a modern box like the Roamio line.

b10010011

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Bellingham, WA b10010011 Member Re: They forgot to mention how this will hurt Tivo said by aaronwt: Sure they do. DirecTV sells a two Tuner TiVo that can be used. Although it's not a modern box like the Roamio line. Yeah sure you can still find the Directv Tivo units out there, but I don't think you can buy them new as Direct TV has their own DVR now like Dish Network.

tired_runner

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tired_runner Premium Member Really considering this I currently enjoy the privilege of undercutting the local incumbents by switching between them when promotional deals expire.



But that game is getting old fast, and truthfully the only channels I watch anymore are TBS, USA, TNT and FX for the usual re-runs of Big Bang Theory and Law & Order.



Does anyone use a cable box-like device to consume content from Hulu, Netflix and Prime? I would like to look into it for my parents so I can have them like and adapt, so I can finally have Internet-only household.



Since we live in a private house, I plan to install a stationary medium-sized antenna to pickup the local channels, so that's no issue there.

criggs

join:2000-07-14

New York, NY criggs Member New Cord-Cutting Option Speaking of cord-cutting, the Wall Street Journal just reported that Sony will be unveiling its own Internet TV cord-cutting option nationwide by the end of the year. Karl, might this be sufficiently significant to warrant a whole new post?



It's called PlayStation Vue, and requires the purchase of one of their gaming consoles. The service will be going live in about two weeks in a few large cities, including New York and Philadelphia. Currently it's being offered on an invitation-only basis to a few thousand subscribers.



It apparently is the second major such option coming on line soon. The first is Dish Network's SlingTV.



What have any of you heard about this? Anyone know what channels it will carry? What the monthly price tag is? How much is the upfront cost for the gaming console? I know less than nothing about gaming consoles since I'm not a gamer. I presume the video output can be hooked up to an HD TV, yes?



Finally, are any of you, by any lucky chance, one of those lucky few thousand who are getting to use the service within the next two weeks?

mikesco8

join:2006-02-17

Southwick, MA mikesco8 Member Re: New Cord-Cutting Option PlayStation Vue has been talked about. Any competition is good, but it is being billed as a premium service that will not be any cheaper than cable. They are talking around $80 per month for the service.

criggs

join:2000-07-14

New York, NY 1 edit criggs Member Re: New Cord-Cutting Option



Now if Sony were to decide to get into the ISP business, or, better yet, look at bundling......



EDIT: A story on The Street, at » Here's what I'm thinking. I'm currently paying about $200 a month for my combined TV/Internet service. If that drops to $80 a month for my TV, through Playstation Vue, and about the same, including taxes, for the lowest broadband Verizon FIOS Internet tier, 25/25 (including roughly $30 in taxes), that works out to about $160 a month. So that's $40 a month in savings, or about $500 a year. Not a fantastic windfall, perhaps, but not bad.Now if Sony were to decide to get into the ISP business, or, better yet, look at bundling......EDIT: A story on The Street, at » www.thestreet.com/story/ ··· les.html is speculating that the monthly price may be somewhat south of your estimate, around $50. Not bad, if true. That would mean I'd be saving over $800 a year. Hmmm...



The Engineer

@scansafe.net The Engineer Anon I cut the cord in aught-three... ...when I inherited a TiVo Series 2 with lifetime... which I still use!

TechnoTech

join:2015-01-12 TechnoTech Member Data Caps might not be enough to stop it I think ISPs are in for a big surprise when their caps merely make people watch less streaming video instead of switching back to cable.



I'm personally a downgrader (downgraded a few years back to the bare minimum Dish pack, but with local channels too). We watch very little TV, and only a few channels at that.



Instead, I prefer to watch Youtube videos. No, not pirated content, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTENT (i.e. people commenting on video games, etc). This is the new media, and I think it is going to displace TV more and more.



Caps will hinder this, but I don't think it is going to make people so desperate that they sign up for cable again, their interests have already changed, so they will merely either pay more for internet or watch less.



Personally, my interest in TV is pretty much gone, and no amount of penalizing me for that is going to change it. I love basketball, but I'm not going to pay through the nose to watch it, so I have stopped watching it unless it's on say channel 7.



ham3843

join:2015-01-15

USA ham3843 Member Re: Data Caps might not be enough to stop it said by TechnoTech: I think ISPs are in for a big surprise when their caps merely make people watch less streaming video instead of switching back to cable.





Instead, I prefer to watch Youtube videos. No, not pirated content, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTENT (i.e. people commenting on video games, etc). This is the new media, and I think it is going to displace TV more and more.



Personally, my interest in TV is pretty much gone, and no amount of penalizing me for that is going to change it. I love basketball, but I'm not going to pay through the nose to watch it, so I have stopped watching it unless it's on say channel 7.

useless, boring, and tedious.



I find the original content made by folks like you and I far more interesting, and more importantly USEFUL. Lots of amazingly helpful DIY videos on anything and everything you could want to know about. Some of the channels mimic old favorites from days go by on television like "Tech TV". If you like cars and like to work on them there are scads of excellent many times instructional videos done by master mechanics that work for major car manufacturer

dealer service departments. I'm right there with you. I almost NEVER watch television because I find most all of ituseless, boring, and tedious.I find the original content made by folks like you and I far more interesting, and more importantly USEFUL. Lots of amazingly helpful DIY videos on anything and everything you could want to know about. Some of the channels mimic old favorites from days go by on television like "Tech TV". If you like cars and like to work on them there are scads of excellent many times instructional videos done by master mechanics that work for major car manufacturerdealer service departments.



Flyonthewall

@teksavvy.com Flyonthewall Anon People becoming more educated are the bane of greed As people start educating themselves on why their rates increase even as vendor costs decrease, they'll realize how much they get screwed and start complaining to their politicos, who no matter what money gets tossed at them, still need to be elected, and corporations aren't allowed to vote directly, and even if they were they are sorely outnumbered in terms of ballots unless they force employees to vote along their lines, which I think is illegal.



ham3843

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USA ham3843 Member Re: People becoming more educated are the bane of greed EXACTLY. Great to the point post!