But like the Palace thing, the reason I like it is cause even though Palace is a serious brand, I don’t think they take it too seriously with the advertising. They’re still having fun. I’m sure they’re a little confused and overwhelmed about how big it’s become.

You think kids these days, maybe who’re into Supreme or think they’re downtown, they’re striving for that Kids kind of hedonistic lifestyle?

Yeah, but you know, that was a small snippet of time when you could get away with that. For every guy that went on to become a pro skateboarder, 15 ended up working construction. It’s like prolonging your adolescence—it’s a fun thing but it’s not always a good thing. You only know that when you’ve come out the other side. I meet a lot of people who say they moved to New York because of that movie, and I’m like, what about that movie makes New York look attractive? What people don’t realize that what was happening in New York was happening in San Francisco was happening all over the world, it was just the fact that they turned New York into a movie.

It’s like someone getting into banking because of American Psycho.

Yeah, exactly. I mean I’m glad I did it, it is a piece of New York history. New York has changed so much since then. That was the last moment pre-Giuliani when you could still drink on the street and be a fuckup and nobody really cared. Now you can’t have the same lifestyle. I first came to New York to skate when I was 12 you didn’t cross Avenue A. I’m glad I saw the last parts of that, but to move to the East Village now and pretend it’s 1995, you’re kidding yourself. It’s more about fucking brunch than it is about drinking 40s in the park. But I always say the youth will figure it out. It’s just not about the Lower East Side/East Village anymore.

At least now we have a Palace. I think everyone’s wondering how opening the New York store, maybe near Supreme, maybe not, is going to go.

What’s funny is when we did the commercial they didn’t tell me about the store, it was kind of leaked to me by someone. I was like Oh, that’s what the commercial’s for. I don’t know if it’s a pop up or if it’s a legit store that’s going to be around for a while. But those dudes love New York. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were here for at least a summer. But you know who I really feel bad for in all this? The parents of all these kids. ’Cause you need to be able to afford it. So as long as these kids can get the money, they’re going to buy it. I guess the store opens next week. And they’re bringing a crew over. They’re going to be in a celebratory mood I think. Cause again they’re young dudes! They’re just fucking stoked to have made it this far, and they’re riding it like they stole it.

Well thanks for talking it over.

I don’t know how relevant I am to this whole conversation. Maybe talk to Jonah if you can.

We’ve probably bothered Jonah enough this week. I think he’s a reluctant style icon.

It’s ’cause he doesn’t have a kid. You should see the way I dress.