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yngwin









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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: Announcing the Gentoo Wiki Project



We'd also like to invite any users and developers, who are willing to help to make this a success, to join us. At this point we are

especially looking for people who can help with:

the initial setup and configuration of a MediaWiki instance



the design of a custom Gentoo theme for MediaWiki (including graphics and CSS)



the internal organization of the wiki



moderation

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Free Culture | Defective by Design | EFF After the mostly positive feedback on the recent wiki discussion , we have now gone ahead, formed a preliminary team consisting of both users and developers, and put up a project page . All constructive feedback on this new project is welcome.We'd also like to invite any users and developers, who are willing to help to make this a success, to join us. At this point we areespecially looking for people who can help with:_________________"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject:

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---avatar cropped from =AimanStudio --- Thanks for listing me on the project page. I would be interested in working on the initial installation of MediaWiki, internal organisation, and moderation. This should be a really nice resource for everyone, but we could REALLY use the help of users. So join in!_________________“Truth, like infinity, is to be forever approached but never reached.” --Jean Ayres (1972)

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:38 pm Post subject: nice!

so what can I do to help

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject:



Now to only redesign the homepage... About time!Now to only redesign the homepage...

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:48 pm Post subject: I'd also be willing to give this a gander, and to see if I can contribute anything.



Any resources on how to get started?

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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject:

Require user registration before people can edit pages; no one wants to waste resources by making it easy for spammers to lure maintainers into a game of whack a mole.

Put it in a RCS; I doubt anyone wants this to suffer from the same issues the forums suffer for not having had a RCS at the start. Here are a few suggestions:

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:32 am Post subject: 1. Requirement of registration is bad, because it prevent people editing, who dont want an account. Capchta is enough to stop automatic spammers.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:35 am Post subject: misterjack wrote: 1. Requirement of registration is bad, because it prevent editing people, who dont want an account. Capchta is enough to stop automatic spammers.



Seroiusly, how hard is it to register? With mediawiki, you don't even need an email address. Takes three seconds.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:23 am Post subject: AM088 wrote: Now to only redesign the homepage...



I hope not! I think the homepage is great, even after all these years; functional and attractive. No need to change what ain't broke.



Maybe I'm in the minority, though.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:00 am Post subject:



I'll see if I can contribute to the new wiki.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: Another Gentoo wiki? What for? We already have one: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:59 am Post subject: gentoo-dev wrote: Another Gentoo wiki? What for? We already have one: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

This is not a Gentoo project.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:01 pm Post subject: Shining Arcanine wrote: Here are a few suggestions:

Require user registration before people can edit pages; no one wants to waste resources by making it easy for spammers to lure maintainers into a game of whack a mole.

Put it in a RCS; I doubt anyone wants this to suffer from the same issues the forums suffer for not having had a RCS at the start.



1) This won't work. The unofficial wiki gets virtually no spam from unregistered edits. It's all via registered accounts, many verified. (Throwaway addresses are cheap and creating an auto-responder for email verification is simple)



2) Except for mods, everything on mediawiki is in the database, so putting the code in rcs will do nothing. All you need to resurrect a wiki is a database dump and a list of modifications used.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject: ) .

For mediawiki there are extensions for auth, I think authentication is not a bad thing after all, and not much trouble either, and if official documentation is ever to appear on this wiki, even as a read only pages somehow parsed from xml (and maybe some way for users to leave a note for some updates/bugs) .For mediawiki there are extensions for auth, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Authentication , I see there is an ldap plugin which gives the option of using the local database as well as LDAP servers at the same time, I believe gentoo devs all have an ldap account so it can be reused, and database part could authenticate against this forum users database. Now, how many edits will come from users that don't have a forum account, there will be a percent but I think small.

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:20 pm Post subject: AM088 wrote: misterjack wrote: 1. Requirement of registration is bad, because it prevent editing people, who dont want an account. Capchta is enough to stop automatic spammers.



Seroiusly, how hard is it to register? With mediawiki, you don't even need an email address. Takes three seconds.

We also plan to support OpenID. So it should be really easy. Anyone who really wants to contribute should have no problem with that.

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Free Culture | Defective by Design | EFF We also plan to support OpenID. So it should be really easy. Anyone who really wants to contribute should have no problem with that._________________"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: onefriedrice wrote: AM088 wrote: Now to only redesign the homepage...



I hope not! I think the homepage is great, even after all these years; functional and attractive. No need to change what ain't broke.



Maybe I'm in the minority, though.

There is a lot wrong with the homepage, tho it could be a lot worse too.

But that is a completely different project. The subject has been brought up, and I do plan to revive that plan, but for now I'm concentrating on the wiki.

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Free Culture | Defective by Design | EFF There is a lot wrong with the homepage, tho it could be a lot worse too.But that is a completely different project. The subject has been brought up, and I do plan to revive that plan, but for now I'm concentrating on the wiki._________________"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln

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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 9:29 pm Post subject: misterjack wrote: 1. Requirement of registration is bad, because it prevent people editing, who dont want an account. Capchta is enough to stop automatic spammers.



Having to enter a CAPCHTA each and every time you want to edit a page is likely more of a problem than registering.

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: misterjack wrote: 1. Requirement of registration is bad, because it prevent people editing, who dont want an account. Capchta is enough to stop automatic spammers.



Capchta can be hack pretty easily.

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: Naib wrote: nice!

so what can I do to help



Need any mortals ?

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: Steve` wrote: gentoo-dev wrote: Another Gentoo wiki? What for? We already have one: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

This is not a Gentoo project. Gentoo -wiki.com is not a Gentoo project? It uses the Gentoo name and the Gentoo logo. So it's just a NIH problem.

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:56 am Post subject: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg38601.html

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:45 pm Post subject: Or http://www.gentoo.org/wiki

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:50 pm Post subject:

I'd prefer wiki.gentoo.org

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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:53 pm Post subject: So yngwin, what do you think about these 2 urls ?