This episode doesn't really need much introduction. It's a discussion and debate between Anthony Romero, head of the ACLU, and Michael Chertoff, former DHS Secretary, at a Federalist Society event a couple of weeks ago. Ellen Nakashima of the Washington Post moderates a discussion that ranges from what we should think of Edward Snowden to how sensitive metadata really is to the rules of standing in national security litigation. It's a very good and interesting exchange.

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