Bernie Sanders appeared on Instagram Live with Cardi B, the hit-making rapper who was a vocal supporter of the Vermont senator’s 2020 presidential campaign, which ended last week. The duo spent some time talking through how Donald Trump is handling the coronavirus crisis and why Sanders endorsed Joe Biden for president. But first “Uncle Bernie” wanted to check in about his nails.

“I want you to take a look at my nails,” Sanders said, holding his hands up to the camera. “How they looking?”

Putting on her best “it’s not that bad” face, Cardi responded, “They’re looking very quarantine. I can tell you been on quarantine for a while now from your nails.”

Cardi then talked about Sanders’s decision to drop out, and said she has been encouraging her followers to vote, but is worried about their enthusiasm for Biden. Cardi said too that her focus on Sanders’s campaign didn't give her the time to research Biden, but she’s still planning to vote for him to stop Trump.

“I’m just gonna go with Joe Biden because I cannot see the next step of America being run by number 45,” Cardi said. She and Sanders also discussed the uncertain timeline for when disease-prevention measures might be lifted, concerns about personal privacy if extensive surveillance becomes necessary, and the challenge of health care for people who might not trust doctors, and then returned to the question of the 2020 election.

“A lot of people, like the youth, they don’t really rock with Joe Biden because he’s conservative,” Cardi said. She explained that she thought former president Barack Obama, who publicly endorsed Biden yesterday, was smart to pick Biden as his vice president in 2008 because it was an appeal to more moderate voters. Cardi then asked Sanders to make the case for why more progressive voters should now vote for Biden.

“Donald Trump is, to my mind, the most dangerous president in the modern history of America,” Sanders said, listing some of the president’s failures. “This is a bad-news guy that has got to be defeated. And I will do everything that I can to defeat him.”

“What I am also trying to do right now, Cardi,” he continued, “is to work with Joe to see that he becomes a more progressive candidate.” Sanders said he expects Biden to stand for a $15 minimum wage, college opportunities “regardless of income,” and canceling student debt for “a lot of people.”

“I would go further in all of these areas than he goes, but he is moving in the right direction,” Sanders said, sharing that he thinks Biden is doing the same on immigration reform and criminal justice reform. Cardi mentioned that incarcerated people are especially at risk amid the COVID-19 pandemic, before pivoting to Trump, blasting the president for saying Democrats were making him look bad.

“Honey, you don’t need the Democrats to make you look bad,” she said. “You make your own self look bad.”

The duo then discussed Trump’s bungled response to the pandemic, dating back to January, again blasting the president for not apologizing for his mistakes and trying to shift blame to experts like the World Health Organization (on Tuesday, Trump cut U.S. funding to WHO) or Dr. Anthony Fauci (one of the federal government’s foremost experts on infectious diseases).

“What we’re trying to do now in Congress is go around Trump,” Sanders said, explaining that lawmakers are trying to get the medical equipment, including ventilators and testing kits, necessary to deal with the pandemic. Later in the conversation Sanders outlined two more congressional relief efforts: “having Medicare cover all health care bills” and making sure “every worker in America” continues to get their paycheck if they’re laid off.

Cardi warned her viewers that there may not be a return to “normal,” cautioning, “We are in for a ride. After everything goes back to normal again, I want to let people know that things are not going to be back normal again.”

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