amungus

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join:2004-11-26

America amungus Premium Member Good for the little guy What a jerk move, Dish. Come on. Have a little heart.



Glad the "little guy" won something. Isn't a drop in the bucket to Dish, but probably means the world to the person who got the royal shaft.



deweym

@telepacific.net 1 recommendation deweym Anon Re: Good for the little guy Corporations do not have hearts - people have a heart - corporations are not people -they are entities that need to be regulated - lets not confuse the two



Sethyboy0

@rogers.com 1 recommendation Sethyboy0 Anon Re: Good for the little guy Actually you're wrong. American law sees corporations as people.



SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13

Seattle, WA SHABAZZ Member Re: Good for the little guy What law says that?



slacktron

@verizon.net 1 recommendation slacktron Anon Re: Good for the little guy Worse. Not a law, but a Supreme Court ruling: Supreme Court ruling Citizens United versus Federal Election Commission, 2008. Docket number 08-205.



corp123

@mchsi.com corp123 to SHABAZZ

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The 14th amendments stated purpose was to end discrimination as part of the civil rights act, however Lawyers and Judges subsequently interpreted the word 'person' to include corporations. It's called corporate personhood, and its effectively the reason a corporation has more legal rights than a person now. You can jail a person, or execute a person. You can't jail a corporation. So they can do all kinds of messed up stuff with a lot less consequences than if a real person did it. Its called an LLC, Limited Liability Corporation.



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Do some research. There is also an excellent (if long) free documentary called 'The Corporation' Well, Its not just any old law, its the 14th amendment to the US Constitution.The 14th amendments stated purpose was to end discrimination as part of the civil rights act, however Lawyers and Judges subsequently interpreted the word 'person' to include corporations. It's called corporate personhood, and its effectively the reason a corporation has more legal rights than a person now. You can jail a person, or execute a person. You can't jail a corporation. So they can do all kinds of messed up stuff with a lot less consequences than if a real person did it. Its called an LLC, Limited Liability Corporation.Do some research. There is also an excellent (if long) free documentary called 'The Corporation'



Precedents

@myvzw.com 1 recommendation Precedents Anon Re: Good for the little guy Citizens United vs. FEC. Check it out.



Dcee

@windstream.net Dcee Anon Re: Good for the little guy I'm pretty sure everyone who took general education classes in college understands that a corporation is a legal person. It's pretty clear that OP is referring to his/her own philosophical definition of a person and not a legal one.



sumtingwong

@mchsi.com sumtingwong to SHABAZZ

Anon to SHABAZZ

I'm an accounting student a I don't have a big law background but once a company obtains a "corporation" title or ranking, tunes corporation is then able to take on more labilites, obtain property, and buy and sell stock to various owners and shareholders. This essentially gives a business all of the rights that normal person would have ie: by and own property in its name. Example say mcdonalds buys a plot of land. That plot is now owned by the corporation. If a small business wanted to do the same the owner of the business would then have his or her name on the certificate of ownership not ABC company. It is true that corporations are entities and often need regulation but as far as a legal standpoint they technically have most of the same rights a normal person. Again I'm not sure in the actual law but that's a general synopsis.



n2jtx

join:2001-01-13

Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member The Old Saying... ...goes, "No good deed goes unpunished". This employee learned that first hand.

Kearnstd

Space Elf

Premium Member

join:2002-01-22

Mullica Hill, NJ 1 recommendation Kearnstd Premium Member Re: The Old Saying... I get a feeling whoever this vendor was had someone who was good friends with someone high up at Dish.



Because normally a company would be thrilled if an employee informed them someone was stealing from them.



Steve B

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join:2004-08-02

Auburn, WA Steve B Premium Member Re: The Old Saying... That's what I'm not getting in this story. The guy saved DISH from getting ripped off and yet he gets screwed by DISH. Something is not making sense and I think we're missing a part of the story.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Re: The Old Saying... Same here. Why would your employer screw you over for informing them that a contractor was defrauding them? Most employers would be happy that you let them know. Either someone above this guy was friends with this contractor, or, more likely, that higher-up was in on the fraud in some way. If I were investigating this, I'd first look to see who initially approved the relationship between DISH and the contractor. That's where the kickbacks usually end up.



Another possibility is that these actions by the contractor would, if brought to light, expose DISH to some serious legal liability, so the company wanted to cover it up.



asdf

@207.35.195.x asdf Anon Re: The Old Saying... Because the "vendor" is the grand son of the boss... or something like that...



illumin8

@mindspring.com illumin8 to ISurfTooMuch

Anon to ISurfTooMuch

Money laundering.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Re: The Old Saying... said by illumin8 : Money laundering. Could be, but embezzlement is more likely.

Kearnstd

Space Elf

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join:2002-01-22

Mullica Hill, NJ Kearnstd Premium Member Re: The Old Saying... Which means the IRS or SEC(or both) should come and start crawling up some asses with a microscope.



I mean considering the facts we know if I were working for OSHA I would be tempted to forward some of this along to the right money related agencies to do some snooping.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Re: The Old Saying... Couldn't anyone who owns DISH stock also contact one of these agencies and ask for an investigation?



aurizon

@teksavvy.com aurizon to Steve B

Anon to Steve B

It might have been a kickback scheme, with someone high in dish getting some $$. I can see no other reason. In fact, I should call the IRS and ask for a reward and they will sniff their assess good



Freddy fred

@144.160.226.x Freddy fred to Kearnstd

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Or had a revenue sharing scenario with an Executive inside Dish as they were ripping them off...

sava700

join:2005-03-08

united state sava700 Member yep Dish is horrible! I worked for Dish as a technician for a while then gave it up cause they constantly screwed us on pay. Wasn't directly for dish but a regional service provider whom all of them take orders from Dish. If someone called back and required a tech back out in 12 days they would basically take all the pay away from the original tech even if it was at no fault of their own (move a tv or wrong input or something stupid). The metrics they require to meet such as survey results and selling over priced junk like bottles of screen cleaner is such a scam over the techs its unreal. Someone needs to do something and sue them for just the little tech in the field.

slckusr

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join:2003-03-17

Greenville, SC slckusr Premium Member Re: yep Dish is horrible! We had a guy come out to fix our Charter service, and while he didnt spell this out, he gave us his home phone number and said if the issue wasnt fixed to call him instead of calling charter back to send someone else out. It seems like it might be kind of commonplace.



nona

@windstream.net nona Anon Re: yep Dish is horrible! And At&t techs do the same. The job is owned for thirty days by the last person there. Its easier to hedge a repeat for silly things like wrong input, channel, etc. or the " the app I just downloaded on my phone doesn't work." Because customer support clearly cant figure out or even attempt to correct an issue on the phone. But my favorite and most frequent is " I called in for a billing issue and they said there were errors on the line." Get those about four times a week. And of course no errors exist on the circuit. Im convinced customer service gets a bonus for dispatching. Or maybe they are really that ignorant.



Sua

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you must have been a shitty contractor or a horrible technician then because 12 day TCs never effect your pay other than metrics, and metrics doesn't effect your pay whatsoever.

Couch Potato

What?

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join:2004-08-29

Statesville, NC Couch Potato Premium Member Re: yep Dish is horrible! I am a contractor for DISH and if one of my installs has a TC within 60 days I get charged for it.



acadiel

Press fire to begin

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acadiel Premium Member Re: yep Dish is horrible! I had a Dish install go bad around 2004. Wasn't in bit a week and the guy put the dish where it was blocked. Called them back out, they came when I was gone and wife was there. Wanted $50 cash from wife to fix their install problem. Wife gave them $25 and never saw it again.



After the wife told me what happened when I got home, I called Dish and gave them a piece of my mind. Betcha they didn't do anything about their installer's questionable conduct. They just have me a $25 bill credit and probably didn't even investigate.

Couch Potato

What?

Premium Member

join:2004-08-29

Statesville, NC Couch Potato Premium Member Re: yep Dish is horrible! That's shady.. I am an honest person. Several times I have even seen people leave money laying out and it doesn't even cross my mind to take it.



Geek one

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That was the same way when I worked as a sub contractor for DirecTV. Very common practice in the industry unfortunately.



yep yep yep

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Wilcox VS AEI It happened, check it out

joeMI

join:2006-08-15

Mcmillan, MI joeMI Member There's something odd about all of this. Why would coworkers be so angry about an employee trying to stop someone from ripping off the company to go out of their way to sabotage his career UNLESS that coworker or friends of that coworker were benefiting from the fraud.



Riusaki

join:2000-09-14

Space 342.6 20.6

Riusaki Member Conflict of Interest Seems to me that this so-called vendor may have been an operation one of the higher ups at DISH had a stake in. They were basically embezzling money out of DISH through it with the phony invoices. This would be the only viable explanation as to why an employee is being punished for uncovering a fraud being done against the company he works for.



What company in their right mind would want to be scammed.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

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join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Guess whos getting a new line item on their bills? DISH doesn't have a magic money tree!



AnonGuy

@app-techs.com AnonGuy Anon ... Maybe the guy was a jerk while he worked there. *shrug*



Hoffmann

@shawcable.net Hoffmann Anon Hmm While I do agree it is questionable that the ex-employee was punished for this, but I feel the answer is in what the article DOESNT say.



For example:



It never said he was fired from DISH for reporting these fraudulent invoices, nor did it say he was fired at all. Infact, it says that he was blacklisted after LEAVING DISH. So he worked there for a year and a half, reported fraudulent invoices in the summer and then up and left.



Who is to say that he himself didn't create these fake invoices to throw a disliked vendor under the bus, or better yet who is to say that his job wasn't to process these fake invoices and represent higher profits and once again, he disliked the vendor.



The lack of information here tells me that there is alot more to this story than was told. Any of those potential problems are more illegal than what he reported and would be undesirable for both the employee or employer to reveal in court which leads me to believe that this court case is a buyoff rather than a complaint probably due to blackmail.



hiiiiii

@156.98.114.x hiiiiii Anon Re: Hmm said by Hoffmann : Who is to say that he himself didn't create these fake invoices to throw a disliked vendor under the bus, or better yet who is to say that his job wasn't to process these fake invoices and represent higher profits and once again, he disliked the vendor.



Just a thought. Not a legal expert, but I'm going to assume that the OSHA ruling in the guy's favor is to say.Just a thought.

Rekrul

join:2007-04-21

Milford, CT 1 recommendation Rekrul Member Hypocrisy... A private company gets fined for punishing a whistleblower, but let someone blow the whistle on the government itself and they're declared public enemy number one. And no, I'm not just talking about Edward Snowden, the Obama administration has gone after several whistleblowers.



Jodygolli1

@spcsdns.net Jodygolli1 Anon I recently got let go from dish. Working at dish as a CSR we are expected to take a lot of abuse from irate customers. I was let go for unfair circumstances when I was defending myself durring a call, I was being called a cunt by that customer repeatedly. Dispite my metrics being well above the others I worked with they still fired me. With dish, there is no such thing as a 'valued employee'.

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Deftones

@windstream.net Deftones Anon I was fired over some bs too! I was a level 4 tech. Served 4 years with the company and honestly didn't mind the job especially the pay!! I had a customer report that I had accidentally taken a satellite dish from her house. I hadn't been on her job in 2 years!! So dish ran a background check on me as procedure calls for and which they had done when I was hired! They came back saying I had a felony on my record and were going to put me on paid suspension until they could figure out what to do. I was on suspension for 3 months, the whole time checking in with them periodically to see if any new info had arouse. No one could tell me anything. It was as if no one knew what was going on and what was taking so long. I do have a felony on my record but it's on my juvenile record! I legally own firearms and this has never been an issue on anything related to a background check! So after 3 month of paid suspension and a raise while on suspension, they come back and say I am terminated due to having a felony! WTF!! I still don't understand how they can get away with it!! It's BS!! I wish I could get my back wages paid and compensation for hardship from being let from a $22/hr job!!



Good for this guy!! I'm glad he got back what he deserved!!



IowaCowboy

Supermarket Hero

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join:2010-10-16

Springfield, MA IowaCowboy Premium Member Now his kids must keep their mouths shut Ever heard of the age discrimination suit where the settlement was revoked because the daughter bragged about it on Facebook and the settlement had a secrecy clause.



Aren't the installers independent contractors anyways.



cork1958

Cork

Premium Member

join:2000-02-26 cork1958 Premium Member Really that stupid?



Is Dish really that stupid?



From just what is stated here, I can not believe ANYONE or ANY company could be that dang dumb!! Or, is corrupt a better word? Wow!Is Dish really that stupid?From just what is stated here, I can not believe ANYONE or ANY company could be that dang dumb!! Or, is corrupt a better word?



cline3621

Mr. Yuk is MEAN Mr. Yuk is GREEN

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join:2006-06-14

Clarksville, TN cline3621 Premium Member Dish These people are evil. I was employed with Dish from 2003-2011. There is a reason they have been voted, BY THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES, the worst company to work for in America.



illumin8

@mindspring.com illumin8 Anon payout secrets Interesting. If Dish is paying a vendor for work that was never done, and wants that kept secret, and attacks people that uncover it....it sounds like they are laundering money.



been there

@nemr.net been there Anon worked there DISH has won the honor of being the worst place to work for a reason. Employees are treated terribly. All that had to happen here was for someone to tell him/her not to blow the whistle, but he/she did because it was the right thing to do. They would go after that person with all they had and never do anything to the person who was doing wrong.



When they started re-organizing and moving jobs overseas, instead of laying people off they tried to fire everyone so they wouldn't have to pay unemployment! It did not matter that they lied about people's performance so they could fire them. That did not work out so well either. One class action suit on age discrimination was started, and others fought to get their unemployment and won. DISH expects everything from their employees, has horrible, unprofessional management, and gives their employees very little. If there was a bad snow storm (we're talking Colorado here) they expected you to get a hotel (in a high priced area of the metro area) rather than not be able to make it to work the next day. It's not like anyone was paid enough to get an expensive hotel room a the drop of a hat. When an employee rolled their vehicle on the ice they got crap for not getting in. No regard for the safety of their employees.



Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24

Beachwood, NJ Mike Wolf Member Curious But when is this employee going to be rehired and offered a supervisory position? I know if I was fired for doing the right thing I'd want my job back and made sure I can't be ever fired again.