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You Want to See Your Future? Argentina's Economic Collapse - 2001

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sure T.. man, it's JUST LIKE where we are right now!!!



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sure T.. man, it's JUST LIKE where we are right now!!!2/123/12

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The parallels are amazing.



One guy in the video says - "It was all a swingle by the banks to get the government to pay off there debts..."



Wow, sound like freddy and fannie?

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part 1 of 12.



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pin it mods..part 1 of 12. Quoting: Chaos 467459



I'm not one for violence, but damn it, the citizens of "any" country need to take the first shot.



I realize many may not have guns and this should warn Americans to not give theirs up. If the police aren't going to serve the citizens, then the citizens have GOT to fire the first shot.



I hope it doesn't, but if this does happen here the US, my brothers better march the streets with guns and not pans.



It's obvious protesting and pans don't work too well as evil only knows violence. Fight fire with coal. I'm not one for violence, but damn it, the citizens of "any" country need to take the first shot.I realize many may not have guns and this should warn Americans to not give theirs up. If the police aren't going to serve the citizens, then the citizens have GOT to fire the first shot.I hope it doesn't, but if this does happen here the US, my brothers better march the streets with guns and not pans.It's obvious protesting and pans don't work too well as evil only knows violence. Fight fire with coal.

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"Solanas is so close to the story of his country's plundering that he took six bullets for it..."

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400 million dollars to spray teflon man's economic recovery on a dress. Social Genocide - a film by Fernando Solanas400 million dollars to spray teflon man's economic recovery on a dress.

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part 1 of 12.



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pin it mods..part 1 of 12. Quoting: Chaos 467459



Here is Transcript of Captions

Here are the captions to Part one:



Part 1: 6:34



Argentina October 2001

The Government of the Alliance loses the Legislative elections.

President De La Rua Refuses to change his Policies.

In 2 years of Power, his progressive program was Replaced by the Plans of the IMF,

a continuation of the policies of Carlos Menem.



The Recession Deepens.



Millions are poverty-stricken and unemployed.



Massive flight of Capital -

Bank accounts are blocked -

The Crisis worsens.



December 19, 2001



"In view of the situation, I have decreed a state of siege for the entire country,

and informed Congress of it.

Our country is going through a difficult period..."



KICK 'EM ALL OUT!!!



EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!



The Government mest resign.



Together, we'll never be defeated!



After many years of apathy in the country, the insurrection exploded.



This spontaneous revolt of "faCeless" people (USELESS EATERS)

meant saucepans were being banged in every neighborhood,

all the way to the city's vital centers.



People(USELESS EATERS) took to the streets,

without getting any orders.



"I've been out of work for six weeks,

and I've slaved away my whole life."



"I don't want a state of seige or to be a pawn of the International Monetary Fund.

It's an outdated economic model."



"De La Rua must resign, and all the Swindlers with him."



December 20, 2001



"We're dying of Hunger!"



"In Glory we shall Die!"



"This square belongs to the Mothers,

Not to the Cowardly others!"

-Repeat-



"You bastards!"



"We're not in a dictatorship anymore!

Bunch of Idiots!

Armed Baboons!"



Who ordered you out?



"Can you kill a woman?

Can you kill a whole nation because you're ordered to?"



Repression fails to empty the Plaza de Mayo



Hundreds of citizens(USELESS EATERS) rally to the movement



"The people(USELESS EATERS) won't clear out!"



And the people(USELESS EATERS) don't clear out.

They're workers, housewives, employees, pensioners, students,

the heirs of those who, for decades,

defied the dictatorships and the persecutions,

put up with the policies of austerity,



and were BETRAYED



by DEMOCRACY!!!

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Daniel





Here is Transcript of CaptionsHere are the captions to Part one:Part 1: 6:34Argentina October 2001The Government of the Alliance loses the Legislative elections.President De La Rua Refuses to change his Policies.In 2 years of Power, his progressive program was Replaced by the Plans of the IMF,a continuation of the policies of Carlos Menem.The Recession Deepens.Millions are poverty-stricken and unemployed.Massive flight of Capital -Bank accounts are blocked -The Crisis worsens.December 19, 2001"In view of the situation, I have decreed a state of siege for the entire country,and informed Congress of it.Our country is going through a difficult period..."KICK 'EM ALL OUT!!!EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!The Government mest resign.Together, we'll never be defeated!After many years of apathy in the country, the insurrection exploded.This spontaneous revolt of "faCeless" people (USELESS EATERS)meant saucepans were being banged in every neighborhood,all the way to the city's vital centers.People(USELESS EATERS) took to the streets,without getting any orders."I've been out of work for six weeks,and I've slaved away my whole life.""I don't want a state of seige or to be a pawn of the International Monetary Fund.It's an outdated economic model.""De La Rua must resign, and all the Swindlers with him."December 20, 2001"We're dying of Hunger!""In Glory we shall Die!""This square belongs to the Mothers,Not to the Cowardly others!"-Repeat-"You bastards!""We're not in a dictatorship anymore!Bunch of Idiots!Armed Baboons!"Who ordered you out?"Can you kill a woman?Can you kill a whole nation because you're ordered to?"Repression fails to empty the Plaza de MayoHundreds of citizens(USELESS EATERS) rally to the movement"The people(USELESS EATERS) won't clear out!"And the people(USELESS EATERS) don't clear out.They're workers, housewives, employees, pensioners, students,the heirs of those who, for decades,defied the dictatorships and the persecutions,put up with the policies of austerity,and were BETRAYEDby DEMOCRACY!!!+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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sure T.. man, it's JUST LIKE where we are right now!!!



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Here is Part 2 from Trinity Link!



[link to www.youtube.com]



Part 2 - 9:02



What happenned in Argentina?



How was it possible that in so rich a country

so many people were hungry?



The country had been ransacked by a new form of aggression,

committed in time of peace and in a Democracy.

A daily and silent violence that caused greater social disruption,

more emigration and death,

than the terrorism of the dictatorship and the Falklands Islands War.



The Never-Ending-Debt



Ever Since Independence, almost 200 years ago,

Argentina's foreign debt has been a source of impoverishment and corruption

and the biggest scandals.



Since the first loan negotiated by Rivadavia in 1824

with the British bank Baring Brothers,

the debt was used to enrich Argentinean financiers,

to control the finances and empty the country of its wealth.



This Foreign debt always went hand in hand with big business,

and with the complicity of nearly every government,

from Miter and Quintana, to Menem and De La Rua.



The policy of indebtedness gave rise in Argentina

to generations pf technocrats and bureaucrats,

who favored banks and International Corporations

over their own country.



Educated at Harvard, Chicago, Oxford or Buenos Aires,

their portraits hang in the official galleries.



There you can see 19th century lobbyists,

like Manual Garcia and Belaustegui,

or the latest heads of the public baniking system,

Pedro Pou, Macaronne and Colombo,

administrators of a debt that born in the 1970s

under the military dictatorship.



1976



"We have turned the page of government interventionism..."



The present debt was the illegitimate offspring

of the military dictatorship.



Even though the Courts demonstrated its fraudulent origins,

the pressure of the Establishment Won the day.



From then on, it dictated national policies

and depleted the public heritage.



All this is perfectly symbo;ized by the

statue of George Canning, an advocate of colonial policies,

that was donated by the British Government in 1857,

in recognition of the debt.



1973



American defeat in Vietnam



Conservatives return to power

Crisis and rising oil prices

Petrodollars flood the world

Bankd offer credit at 3%

Birth of the Third-world Debt



1981



Interest rates reach 16%



Bankruptcy of indebted countries



An Alliance of Foreign Banks and Multinationals

comes to power in Argentina.



After 7 years of neo-liberal policies,

the dictatorship leaves a country bled dry,



with a foreign debt of 45 BILLION dollars,

of which half is a private debt.



23 Billion is owed by multinationals operating in the country

like Citibank, First Boston, Chase Manhattan,

Bank of America, Banco de Italia, Banco de Londres, Banco Espanol,

Banco Frances, Deutsche Bank, Banco Rio and Banco Quilmes,

Banco Galicia and many maor.

and by Multinationals like Esso, Fiat, IBM, Ford,

Mercedes Benz, Swift, Pirelli,

as well as local groups owned by Perez Companc,

Bulgheroni-Bridas, Macri, Techint, Fortabat, Pescarmona,

Gruneisen, Soldati, Cogasco, Celuosa and others.



An excessive private debt

that a top bureaucrat of the dictatorship saddled the State with:

Domingo Cavallo.



A "super-Minister" of Finance in the Menem and De La Rua Governments,

he is responsible of the unending growth of the debt,



and the worst pillage ever suffered by the Argentine people.



THIEVES, BANKERS, GOVERNMENTs -Give us BACK our Dollars



What did you say?

"The police protects the thieves, Mr Solanas."

The World's turned upside-down.

Now the prople must demonstrate peacefully

to defend their savings, that were CONFISCATED by the banks

with Government Complicity.

The State should guarantee citizens' rights, - Not STEAL them."



"THIEVES"



"A Dollar at a time, I saved during the 25 years I worked,

so I could live decently when I retired,

not on a State Pension. Why don't the banks treat us like

their Foreign Customers? I chose Private Banks, I didn't trust ours.

I already got swindled in 1989.

But I must be stupid. What do they want? A Bomb?

That's not my style, That's why I'm banging on my pan.

I used to cook with it for my kids.

Every time I look at it, I'll be

reminded of those scoundrels, but I'll know I fought for my rights."



"I'm the oldest newsvendor in Avellaneda,

for 65 years I've sold newspapers, all my savings are in Citibank.

The manager of the agency says they'll return them to me,

It's a LIE!

Everything I saved by making sacrifices is in their hands."



"In faCT, THE FOREIGN banks owe money to the Argentineans.

In a way, it's reversed debt.

The parent companies must be responsible for the deposits.

That was decided by law in Argentina in 1971,

in the well-known Swift Deltec case, which

established that companies were responsible

for the debts of their subsidiaries.



It's a swindle to make government responsible

for the debts of the Banks."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++



Daniel





Here is Part 2 from Trinity Link![link to www.youtube.com]Part 2 - 9:02What happenned in Argentina?How was it possible that in so rich a countryso many people were hungry?The country had been ransacked by a new form of aggression,committed in time of peace and in a Democracy.A daily and silent violence that caused greater social disruption,more emigration and death,than the terrorism of the dictatorship and the Falklands Islands War.The Never-Ending-DebtEver Since Independence, almost 200 years ago,Argentina's foreign debt has been a source of impoverishment and corruptionand the biggest scandals.Since the first loan negotiated by Rivadavia in 1824with the British bank Baring Brothers,the debt was used to enrich Argentinean financiers,to control the finances and empty the country of its wealth.This Foreign debt always went hand in hand with big business,and with the complicity of nearly every government,from Miter and Quintana, to Menem and De La Rua.The policy of indebtedness gave rise in Argentinato generations pf technocrats and bureaucrats,who favored banks and International Corporationsover their own country.Educated at Harvard, Chicago, Oxford or Buenos Aires,their portraits hang in the official galleries.There you can see 19th century lobbyists,like Manual Garcia and Belaustegui,or the latest heads of the public baniking system,Pedro Pou, Macaronne and Colombo,administrators of a debt that born in the 1970sunder the military dictatorship.1976"We have turned the page of government interventionism..."The present debt was the illegitimate offspringof the military dictatorship.Even though the Courts demonstrated its fraudulent origins,the pressure of the Establishment Won the day.From then on, it dictated national policiesand depleted the public heritage.All this is perfectly symbo;ized by thestatue of George Canning, an advocate of colonial policies,that was donated by the British Government in 1857,in recognition of the debt.1973American defeat in VietnamConservatives return to powerCrisis and rising oil pricesPetrodollars flood the worldBankd offer credit at 3%Birth of the Third-world Debt1981Interest rates reach 16%Bankruptcy of indebted countriesAn Alliance of Foreign Banks and Multinationalscomes to power in Argentina.After 7 years of neo-liberal policies,the dictatorship leaves a country bled dry,with a foreign debt of 45 BILLION dollars,of which half is a private debt.23 Billion is owed by multinationals operating in the countrylike Citibank, First Boston, Chase Manhattan,Bank of America, Banco de Italia, Banco de Londres, Banco Espanol,Banco Frances, Deutsche Bank, Banco Rio and Banco Quilmes,Banco Galicia and many maor.and by Multinationals like Esso, Fiat, IBM, Ford,Mercedes Benz, Swift, Pirelli,as well as local groups owned by Perez Companc,Bulgheroni-Bridas, Macri, Techint, Fortabat, Pescarmona,Gruneisen, Soldati, Cogasco, Celuosa and others.An excessive private debtthat a top bureaucrat of the dictatorship saddled the State with:Domingo Cavallo.A "super-Minister" of Finance in the Menem and De La Rua Governments,he is responsible of the unending growth of the debt,and the worst pillage ever suffered by the Argentine people.THIEVES, BANKERS, GOVERNMENTs -Give us BACK our DollarsWhat did you say?"The police protects the thieves, Mr Solanas."The World's turned upside-down.Now the prople must demonstrate peacefullyto defend their savings, that were CONFISCATED by the bankswith Government Complicity.The State should guarantee citizens' rights, - Not STEAL them.""THIEVES""A Dollar at a time, I saved during the 25 years I worked,so I could live decently when I retired,not on a State Pension. Why don't the banks treat us liketheir Foreign Customers? I chose Private Banks, I didn't trust ours.I already got swindled in 1989.But I must be stupid. What do they want? A Bomb?That's not my style, That's why I'm banging on my pan.I used to cook with it for my kids.Every time I look at it, I'll bereminded of those scoundrels, but I'll know I fought for my rights.""I'm the oldest newsvendor in Avellaneda,for 65 years I've sold newspapers, all my savings are in Citibank.The manager of the agency says they'll return them to me,It's a LIE!Everything I saved by making sacrifices is in their hands.""In faCT, THE FOREIGN banks owe money to the Argentineans.In a way, it's reversed debt.The parent companies must be responsible for the deposits.That was decided by law in Argentina in 1971,in the well-known Swift Deltec case, whichestablished that companies were responsiblefor the debts of their subsidiaries.It's a swindle to make government responsiblefor the debts of the Banks."+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Report Copyright Violation Re: You Want to See Your Future? Argentina's Economic Collapse - 2001 BETTER WATCH THESE FAST FOLKS BECAUSE THEY ARE PULLING THEM RIGHT NOW...



I WAS WATCHING PART 4 AND i PAUSED IT TO MAKE A SANDWICH AND WHEN I CAME BACK, I REFRESHED THE SCREEN AND THE VID HAD BEEN PULLED.



I THEN MOVED ON TO PART 5 AND IT STILL WORKS, BUT FOR HOW LONG?



BETTER SEE WHAT YOU CAN OF IT.

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Report Copyright Violation Re: You Want to See Your Future? Argentina's Economic Collapse - 2001 AWESOME POST.



This is partly why the illegal police state is being set up.



This is why Bush and gang are afraid of us.



This is why they torture innocent people and take pictures.



STAND UP AMERICA.



BUSH AND GANG, TIME TO GO TO PRISON AND HANG FOR TREASON, SCUMBAGS.

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07/15/2008 04:21 PM

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this argentina story circulated around the web few year back and i think f.s. purchased the rights somewhere in the midst of that...



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why do people think it's such a far-off scenario?..



people in america and its hairy urban areas... = instant doom i think.

this argentina story circulated around the web few year back and i think f.s. purchased the rights somewhere in the midst of that...why do people think it's such a far-off scenario?..people in america and its hairy urban areas... = instant doom i think. Quoting:

shit, those "hairy urban areas" have been doomed since their inception. Have you been there? it's like mad max, no lie. shit, those "hairy urban areas" have been doomed since their inception. Have you been there? it's like mad max, no lie.

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for those who don't know, there's a gentlemen named Ferfal, who's an Argentinian architectural student (he may have graduated by now) and he has a series of reports of what life in Argentina was and is like during their collapse.

I think it's really worth the time to get first hand knowledge of what life under these circumstances is like. Please check his blog out for some invaluable tips. for those who don't know, there's a gentlemen named Ferfal, who's an Argentinian architectural student (he may have graduated by now) and he has a series of reports of what life in Argentina was and is like during their collapse.I think it's really worth the time to get first hand knowledge of what life under these circumstances is like. Please check his blog out for some invaluable tips.

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for those who don't know, there's a gentlemen named Ferfal, who's an Argentinian architectural student (he may have graduated by now) and he has a series of reports of what life in Argentina was and is like during their collapse.

I think it's really worth the time to get first hand knowledge of what life under these circumstances is like. Please check his blog out for some invaluable tips.

for those who don't know, there's a gentlemen named Ferfal, who's an Argentinian architectural student (he may have graduated by now) and he has a series of reports of what life in Argentina was and is like during their collapse.I think it's really worth the time to get first hand knowledge of what life under these circumstances is like. Please check his blog out for some invaluable tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 467459







sorry op, i didn't know he actually had a blog... it's the same account that we're talking about by this guy ferfal...



also what i think is a valid point made by one of the forum posters, "HuntingWolf Flying Squirrel



posted October 21, 2005 02:41 PM Profile for HuntingWolf Email HuntingWolf



I may be off here in my thinking, but I think that Ferfal is showing us what our suburan/rural areas will be like.



Argentina has a 97% white population with 92% being Catholic. CIA World fact book. That shows a country thats pretty much of one culture and mindset.





America on the other hand, is a multi-cultral disater in the making and getting worst every year. If the USA was to go in the tail spin that Argentina has, we would have open warfare in our cities. "

i love it when kittehs ride me [ link to www.youtube.com sorry op, i didn't know he actually had a blog... it's the same account that we're talking about by this guy ferfal...also what i think is a valid point made by one of the forum posters, "HuntingWolf Flying Squirrelposted October 21, 2005 02:41 PM Profile for HuntingWolf Email HuntingWolfI may be off here in my thinking, but I think that Ferfal is showing us what our suburan/rural areas will be like.Argentina has a 97% white population with 92% being Catholic. CIA World fact book. That shows a country thats pretty much of one culture and mindset.America on the other hand, is a multi-cultral disater in the making and getting worst every year. If the USA was to go in the tail spin that Argentina has, we would have open warfare in our cities. "

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Report Copyright Violation Re: You Want to See Your Future? Argentina's Economic Collapse - 2001 I know some people from Argentina. They own physical gold now. The government took all their money and gave it back to them at 30% of its original value. They can't do that to you if you have the physical gold in your hands.