tQGordok Profile Joined November 2011 Canada 4 Posts #2 Looks Awesome Tang! All Noobz Ez

peonsc2 Profile Joined September 2011 Canada 9 Posts #3 really good guide i'm gonna go use it on ladder right now. i usually have the same style of counter attacking vs baneling all ins, but i never thought of following it up with roach timing. Marines are the counter to banelings

pac.558 Profile Joined May 2011 Canada 90 Posts #4 i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #5 On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking

That's a bit of a silly comment, considering the replays are all against top-notch master/GM players. This is not a build that can easily be stopped, assuming your execution is solid. That's a bit of a silly comment, considering the replays are all against top-notch master/GM players. This is not a build that can easily be stopped, assuming your execution is solid. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Depetrify Profile Blog Joined March 2011 928 Posts #6 On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

iAmJeffReY Profile Joined August 2010 United States 4262 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-08 23:46:32 #7 Is there a reason every single replay is like over 100 days old?





Yang - 230 days

computer - 293 days

raine - 97 days

goswer - 223 days

dhalism - 231 days

blackmamba - 170 days

dice - 107 days

darkchigo - 163 days

fitzy - 98 days





So which ones did you say are recent? That's top bottom and middle?









I think ZvZ is about the only matchup that you can have a high win rate in playing a style like this.

Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!

Depetrify Profile Blog Joined March 2011 928 Posts #8 On February 09 2012 08:31 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Is there a reason every single replay is like over 100 days old?



I think ZvZ is about the only matchup that you can have a high win rate in playing a style like this.



Tang is one of those players that's scared to play the game.



(I mean this in the least offensive way possible) Tang is one of those players that's scared to play the game.(I mean this in the least offensive way possible)

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #9 On February 09 2012 08:30 Depetrify wrote:

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On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts Last Edited: 2012-04-26 13:00:28 #10 On February 09 2012 08:31 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Is there a reason every single replay is like over 100 days old?



I think ZvZ is about the only matchup that you can have a high win rate in playing a style like this.

I've uploaded more recent replays (season 5-7), and the stream episodes are mostly from this season. I've uploaded more recent replays (season 5-7), and the stream episodes are mostly from this season. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Depetrify Profile Blog Joined March 2011 928 Posts #11 On February 09 2012 08:33 TangSC wrote:

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On February 09 2012 08:30 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white.



I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame. I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame.

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #12 On February 09 2012 08:35 Depetrify wrote:

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On February 09 2012 08:33 TangSC wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:30 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white.



I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame. I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame.

And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all! And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all! Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Parodoxx Profile Joined May 2010 United States 549 Posts #13 On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking

Watched this exact build beat stephano on stream today.

The funny thing was the player said he learned the build from stephano who then said he learned it from Nestea.

If you feel this timing only beats bad players your an idiot especially when the build is being posted by a pro.



Thanks Tang Watched this exact build beat stephano on stream today.The funny thing was the player said he learned the build from stephano who then said he learned it from Nestea.If you feel this timing only beats bad players your an idiot especially when the build is being posted by a pro.Thanks Tang

Depetrify Profile Blog Joined March 2011 928 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-08 23:40:17 #14 On February 09 2012 08:37 TangSC wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 09 2012 08:35 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:33 TangSC wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:30 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white.



I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame. I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame.

And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all! And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all!



No, there is nothing to argue about. This is one of those things that if the opponent knows is coming it can be easily stopped. There is not much micro to be done with roach/ling/bane (depending on how they try to stop it). I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just stating that its gimmicky play and I'd rather you be doing solid guides. No, there is nothing to argue about. This is one of those things that if the opponent knows is coming it can be easily stopped. There is not much micro to be done with roach/ling/bane (depending on how they try to stop it). I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just stating that its gimmicky play and I'd rather you be doing solid guides.

Oreo7 Profile Blog Joined December 2010 United States 1643 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-08 23:42:03 #15 Isn't this a very one dimensional build that is built around hoping your opponent doesn't know how to stop it?



edit: I only say this because in the op you say that's exactly what you're trying to avoid, and yet it seems like what this is is a very strong aggressive attack that if stopped puts you far behind. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet

Djeez Profile Blog Joined September 2010 507 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-08 23:41:49 #16 The fact that all those guides are super viable really makes me lose faith in Starcraft 2 as a competitive game. ''Watching steppes of war in the gsl would be like watching the dreamhack 1.6 finals start out on fy_iceworld. '' -red_b

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #17 On February 09 2012 08:38 Depetrify wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 09 2012 08:37 TangSC wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:35 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:33 TangSC wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:30 Depetrify wrote:

On February 09 2012 08:24 pac.558 wrote:

i don't like the fact that all these stategies are based on your opponent sucking



I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.



It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg. I agree with this. Zerg isn't suppose to be played this way. And most of those people aren't that great, your MMR isn't very high.It might work often because people don't expect an aggressive zerg.

The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white. The first game is against Sheth! One of the best zerg players in SC2 lol. You're entitled to your own opinion about "how zerg is supposed to be played," but SC2 is not so black-and-white.



I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame. I just think you should stop teaching people how to "play" the metagame.

And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all! And I think you should be more open minded to styles that you haven't experimented with at all!



No, there is nothing to argue about. This is one of those things that if the opponent knows is coming it can be easily stopped. There is not much micro to be done with roach/ling/bane. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just stating that its gimmicky play and I'd rather you be doing solid guides. No, there is nothing to argue about. This is one of those things that if the opponent knows is coming it can be easily stopped. There is not much micro to be done with roach/ling/bane. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just stating that its gimmicky play and I'd rather you be doing solid guides.

Well your opinion is appreciated, and I'm sure many others share it: Solid, defensive zerg has been the standard for a long time and it works very well. But if you watch zerg players like Sen, nestea, drg, sheth, and stephano, you will not see 100% standard/solid builds - you will see roach/ling timings, roach/ling/baneling all-ins, early timing attacks and well-planned transitions. This is the style of zerg I have personally had the most fun and success with, and it's the style I encourage others to use too! Well your opinion is appreciated, and I'm sure many others share it: Solid, defensive zerg has been the standard for a long time and it works very well. But if you watch zerg players like Sen, nestea, drg, sheth, and stephano, you will not see 100% standard/solid builds - you will see roach/ling timings, roach/ling/baneling all-ins, early timing attacks and well-planned transitions. This is the style of zerg I have personally had the most fun and success with, and it's the style I encourage others to use too! Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

Angel_ Profile Blog Joined December 2011 United States 1617 Posts #18 This actually seems like a good place to ask this:



Why is it that there are only two zerg players I can think of that don't treat thier play as, "I must be as greedy as humanly possible"? Why are there no zerg players that get some drones, and then units, or spend some of thier larva on workers, and some on units, instead of this I SHALL GET 80 DRONES AND THEN MAKE UNITS UNLESS I HAVE TO MAKE UNITS BEFORE HAND? Why are no zerg players just happy at less than 50 for a while and getting more later? And secondly why are there not a lot of zerg players that relentlessly make sure they never have 7 larva at any hatch for more than a few seconds, and just play hyper aggressive all game long. The only one close to that I can think of is....Julyzerg.



And don't answer "Because that's the way that zerg has to play". That's a stupid answer. It's certainly A way to play, but it isn't THE way.

TangSC Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 1852 Posts #19 On February 09 2012 08:41 Oreo7 wrote:

Isn't this a very one dimensional build that is built around hoping your opponent doesn't know how to stop it?



edit: I only say this because in the op you say that's exactly what you're trying to avoid, and yet it seems like what this is is a very strong aggressive attack that if stopped puts you far behind. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Totally understand that perspective, it seems like if the attacks don't work you're behind. However, the focus isn't necessarily on attacking and winning - it's on using map control to drone, and planning another timing attack in response to what they do.



For instance: You open mass ling, your opponent goes zergling/baneling to defend. While he's pulled back in his base trying not to die to your 42 Speedlings, you're droning up and preparing the counter to baneling defense - a roach ling timing attack. Totally understand that perspective, it seems like if the attacks don't work you're behind. However, the focus isn't necessarily on attacking and winning - it's on using map control to drone, and planning another timing attack in response to what they do.For instance: You open mass ling, your opponent goes zergling/baneling to defend. While he's pulled back in his base trying not to die to your 42 Speedlings, you're droning up and preparing the counter to baneling defense - a roach ling timing attack. Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com

lindn Profile Joined July 2010 Sweden 830 Posts #20



Standard stuff as usual.



User was warned for this post Oh look, another all in guide from the infamous Tang.Standard stuff as usual.

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