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It has also been a good thing for SC2 that it has not faltered completely. With two expansions having passed, and a scene that has experienced a shock similar to the sAviOr controversy, it's shown that SC2 has been at a point where most of its interest derives from a foreign audience. Local audiences remain at a subdued number, but not at the empty stadia that greeted its earlier expansions. At this point, SC2 does rely completely on Blizzard for long-term individual tournament sustenance and pressure for ProLeague sponsor companies to remain there. The question is how long they will have to keep being present, or if this will all collapse if Blizzard decides to pull out.



It's been almost three years since Brood War first showed signs of life outside of most Blizzard interference. It has done well, having had leagues that have managed to sustain professional play, and former professionals turning to streamers. In addition, its largest personalities have been able to cultivate enough attention for media and sponsorship to appear for an individual professional league. All it needs is to sustain itself, and judging from viewership online and offline, it's nearly assured that it can sustain itself like the older projections about Warcraft 3 in China from the discussion that was had before.It has also been a good thing for SC2 that it has not faltered completely. With two expansions having passed, and a scene that has experienced a shock similar to the sAviOr controversy, it's shown that SC2 has been at a point where most of its interest derives from a foreign audience. Local audiences remain at a subdued number, but not at the empty stadia that greeted its earlier expansions. At this point, SC2 does rely completely on Blizzard for long-term individual tournament sustenance and pressure for ProLeague sponsor companies to remain there. The question is how long they will have to keep being present, or if this will all collapse if Blizzard decides to pull out. 에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ･ﾟ✧*:･*ﾟ+..｡✧･ﾟ:*・..｡ ✧･ﾟ :･ﾟ* ゜・*:･ ✧･ﾟ:･ﾟ:.｡ ✧･ﾟ SPARKULING ・゜・:･ﾟ✧*:･ﾟ✧｡*ﾟ+..｡ ✧･ﾟ: ✧･ﾟ:*・゜・:･ﾟ✧*::

sabas123 Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Netherlands 3020 Posts #2



Also don't forget it created the most lovely pictures on the entire internet



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+ Show Spoiler + Yes, I'm still salty for Bisu defeating Flash in the last pl final I'm so glad that sc:bw survived, truly shows what a great esports game can look like.Also don't forget it created the most lovely pictures on the entire internet The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.

B-royal Profile Joined May 2015 Belgium 1330 Posts #3 Jup here's to brood war! I crave for a complete recovery. I've always been a wc3 fan boy but BW is just the best game ever. new BW-player (~E rank fish) twitch.tv/crispydrone || What plays 500 games a season but can't get better? => http://imgur.com/a/pLzf9 <= ||

c3rberUs Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Japan 11276 Posts Last Edited: 2016-07-31 15:54:35 #4 It's foreseeable that Blizz can pull out due to the success of OW in Korea so far. The Kt GiGa event is a BW and OW showmatch event whereas the previous was BW and SC2 iirc.



Viewership-wise, BW is pretty okay. The challenge is getting newer amateurs to play the game and hope some make the leap to competitive or even pro play. Writer Movie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".

Pyrrhuloxia Profile Blog Joined May 2008 United States 6697 Posts #5 On July 31 2016 20:22 sabas123 wrote:

I'm so glad that sc:bw survived, truly shows what a great esports game can look like.



Also don't forget it created the most lovely pictures on the entire internet



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arb Profile Blog Joined April 2008 Noobville 14609 Posts #6 Hopefully this means SC2 will go back where it belongs at least, which is no where.

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Here, was messing around in stats class - SCII viewer data (fuzic.nl): sideproject: twitch.tv Starcraft II Viewers data - http://twitchsc2data.com/

riotjune Profile Blog Joined January 2008 United States 2928 Posts #8 The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?

Alur Profile Blog Joined March 2008 Denmark 2726 Posts #9 Blizzard is the party who could make the most meaningful steps towards revitalizing BW, by way of patches, cross-promotion on Battle.net and hosting tournaments at blizzcon.



As for the community? Watch, play, make content surrounding the game (video, streaming, articles etc.) and lobby organizations to host events. I'm really hoping shield battery takes off, that would be a much needed first step. AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok

Essbee Profile Blog Joined August 2008 Canada 2251 Posts #10 On August 01 2016 15:59 Alur wrote:

Blizzard is the party who could make the most meaningful steps towards revitalizing BW, by way of patches, cross-promotion on Battle.net and hosting tournaments at blizzcon.



As for the community? Watch, play, make content surrounding the game (video, streaming, articles etc.) and lobby organizations to host events. I'm really hoping shield battery takes off, that would be a much needed first step.



Would be nice to have big events like dreamhack also having a bw tournament. Would be nice to have big events like dreamhack also having a bw tournament. midas

Harris1st Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Germany 3676 Posts #11 On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?



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BisuDagger Profile Blog Joined October 2009 Bisutopia 17617 Posts #12 On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?

Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard Moderator Ofiicial Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2

Dental Floss Profile Joined September 2009 United States 1015 Posts Last Edited: 2016-08-01 16:15:38 #13 On August 01 2016 22:54 Harris1st wrote:

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On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?



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I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.



edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it.

I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it. Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP

BisuDagger Profile Blog Joined October 2009 Bisutopia 17617 Posts #14 On August 02 2016 01:14 Dental Floss wrote:

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On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?



Money

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I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.



edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it.

I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it.

That doesn't make sense at all. SC2 is not proof of anything. The WCS system exists for foreign gamers in SC2 and has the funding from Blizzard. The Brood War community is 20 years strong, but there simply aren't tournaments and a WCS to make the game seem more enticing for those new players to be attracted to the game enough to reach a high skill level. That doesn't make sense at all. SC2 is not proof of anything. The WCS system exists for foreign gamers in SC2 and has the funding from Blizzard. The Brood War community is 20 years strong, but there simply aren't tournaments and a WCS to make the game seem more enticing for those new players to be attracted to the game enough to reach a high skill level. Moderator Ofiicial Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2

palexhur Profile Joined May 2010 Colombia 729 Posts #15 On August 02 2016 01:54 BisuDagger wrote:

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On August 02 2016 01:14 Dental Floss wrote:

On August 01 2016 22:54 Harris1st wrote:

On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?



Money

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I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.



edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it.

I think that SC2 is proof that you can't "buy" an esport. You have to have a spontaneous/organic community interest, a game who's complexity supports long term development, and a proscene that is competitive, driven, and differentiated by skill.edit; I mean, how do you get a kid to play Baseball? That game is old as heck! The answer is found in the community that supports it.

That doesn't make sense at all. SC2 is not proof of anything. The WCS system exists for foreign gamers in SC2 and has the funding from Blizzard. The Brood War community is 20 years strong, but there simply aren't tournaments and a WCS to make the game seem more enticing for those new players to be attracted to the game enough to reach a high skill level. That doesn't make sense at all. SC2 is not proof of anything. The WCS system exists for foreign gamers in SC2 and has the funding from Blizzard. The Brood War community is 20 years strong, but there simply aren't tournaments and a WCS to make the game seem more enticing for those new players to be attracted to the game enough to reach a high skill level.



I am with you in this one, you need money, because BW is an old game, it has the community (In Korea) but it doesnt have the money anywhere. SC2 is the contrary, has the money but not the community (In Korea). I am with you in this one, you need money, because BW is an old game, it has the community (In Korea) but it doesnt have the money anywhere. SC2 is the contrary, has the money but not the community (In Korea).

pheer Profile Blog Joined July 2004 5312 Posts #16 On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?

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GoShox Profile Blog Joined December 2007 United States 1795 Posts #17 On August 01 2016 00:54 c3rberUs wrote:The challenge is getting newer amateurs to play the game and hope some make the leap to competitive or even pro play.



IIRC there were offline qualifiers for the ongoing ASL league. Obviously all of the people that qualified are known players who were former pros, but I'm curious as to if there was a lot of new blood in the qualifiers. It would be interesting to know the average age and how many unknown players there were that made it decently far, if any. Maybe someone knowledgeable with the Korean scene has some info on this? IIRC there were offline qualifiers for the ongoing ASL league. Obviously all of the people that qualified are known players who were former pros, but I'm curious as to if there was a lot of new blood in the qualifiers. It would be interesting to know the average age and how many unknown players there were that made it decently far, if any. Maybe someone knowledgeable with the Korean scene has some info on this?

riotjune Profile Blog Joined January 2008 United States 2928 Posts Last Edited: 2016-08-01 22:38:50 #18 On August 01 2016 23:13 BisuDagger wrote:

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On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?

Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard

Doing great things for the BW community as always, BisuDagger. Even if the sponsors decline, your efforts are always appreciated. Doing great things for the BW community as always, BisuDagger. Even if the sponsors decline, your efforts are always appreciated.

Chill Profile Blog Joined January 2005 Australia 25649 Posts #19 On August 01 2016 23:13 BisuDagger wrote:

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On August 01 2016 13:39 riotjune wrote:

The real question is how do we get new blood to play an oldass game with all the new stuff out there?

Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard Dedicated contributors and more foreign content can go a long way. Getting sponsor money will really help with that. I'm so close to landing sponsor money, but its very hard

What can we do to help? "Generate content" is the simplest answer I guess? What can we do to help? "Generate content" is the simplest answer I guess? Moderator

FlaShFTW Profile Blog Joined February 2010 United States 8458 Posts #20 On August 01 2016 15:59 Alur wrote:

Blizzard is the party who could make the most meaningful steps towards revitalizing BW, by way of patches, cross-promotion on Battle.net and hosting tournaments at blizzcon.



As for the community? Watch, play, make content surrounding the game (video, streaming, articles etc.) and lobby organizations to host events. I'm really hoping shield battery takes off, that would be a much needed first step.

please no patches ffs. i want to keep BW the way it is. please no patches ffs. i want to keep BW the way it is. Writer #1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget

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