Those of us in animation always gripe that the rest of Hollywood doesn’t care or know the first thing about animated films. There are tons of anecdotal stories to support this position, but finally, we’ve got some definitive proof. And if you think Hollywood doesn’t understand animation, it’s even worse than you could imagine.

The Hollywood Reporter recently published interviews with seven anonymous Academy members about how they voted for this year’s nominees. Four of the seven Academy members abstained from voting for best animated feature. The three that did vote all chose Frozen. Here is what each of them said:

Animated features are consistently more successful than live-action films in Hollywood, and yet, no respect. The animated short category didn’t fare better. Only one of the seven surveyed Academy members voted in the category (or spoke to THR about voting). Their excuses for not voting ranged from: