Leahy Pushes Sweeping NSA Reform Bill quote: if this bill moves forward it still would be a very big step forward and a significant effort to push back on the intelligence community's domestic surveillance efforts. There's still a process that it needs to go through, including getting approved by the full Senate (the rumor is it may skip the whole committee markup/approval process), and then getting reconciled with the House version (oh, yeah, and getting the President to sign it). Anywhere along the way, there may be efforts to water it down, as happened with the House bill. However, given all the negotiations that we've heard went into this, there's at least some belief that something very close to what was introduced today has a real chance -- and that's a good thing. This bill also has strong bipartisan support, including support by some powerful Senators who rarely agree on much. That's a good sign. Reformers are hoping that something vaguely resembling this bill will emerge at the other end of the legislative gauntlet. You can peruse a full copy of the bill Senator Patrick Leahy introduced legislation this week that would dramatically restrict the NSA's unfettered access to bulk-collected Internet and phone data. "If enacted, this bill would represent the most significant reform of government surveillance authorities since Congress passed the USA Patriot Act 13 years ago," Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on the Senate floor. While the bill still has a few loopholes buried within, most proponents of intelligence reform agree the bill would be a massive step further in terms of shoring up surveillance oversight:Reformers are hoping that something vaguely resembling this bill will emerge at the other end of the legislative gauntlet. You can peruse a full copy of the bill here







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topics flat nest mob (banned)

On the next level..

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San Jose, CA mob (banned) Member Well, Congress will do nothing because doing something might be helpful The feared "police state" is upon us, and Congress would rather fight helping the country than help the country fight.



If this bill passes, it will be so weakened that it will change nothing.

Brian_M

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Manchester, GA Brian_M Member Re: Well, Congress will do nothing because doing something might be helpful Actually, even if it passes with full strength it will change nothing. Laws don't mean anything to those who think they're above the law. Who watches the watchmen? dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON dra6o0n Member Re: Well, Congress will do nothing because doing something might be helpful Especially when the NSA shrugs their shoulders and say "what evidence?".

ropeguru

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Mechanicsville, VA ropeguru Premium Member Restrict access... So they can still collect everything but the bill would change the way they can get to it? How about restricting, better yet stopping, the collection of the data to begin with! dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON dra6o0n Member Re: Restrict access... Writing a piece of paper to condone people won't matter if people don't follow it eh?

Laws are not absolute. Rules are not absolute.

It is the end that justify the means, not the journey.

cableties

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join:2005-01-27 cableties Premium Member Why do we need the Patriot Act?



Nothing patriotic about it any longer.

mackey

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join:2007-08-20 1 recommendation mackey Premium Member Re: Why do we Any longer? There was never anything patriotic about it.



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Time

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Irvine, CA Time to cableties

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said by cableties: need the Patriot Act?



Nothing patriotic about it any longer. The Patriot Act was only patriotic when George Bush was President.

luster

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Salisbury, MD luster to cableties

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There was never ANYTHING patriotic about this law! It is, in fact, the sole reason this country is the police state it is today. It was a knee-jerk reaction ONLY and in that jerk our Constitution was gutted, crumpled up and used to wipe Congress's ass with.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Isn't that the politician... that comes up with all the bad junk bills? Springbok

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Colleyville, TX Springbok Member That load sucking noise you hear... ... is our tax dollars being spent to build and maintain vast data farms all across the US and for the salaries of the thousands of workers and contractors. Read the book Top Secret America by Dana Priest. mob (banned)

On the next level..

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San Jose, CA 1 recommendation mob (banned) Member Re: That load sucking noise you hear... said by Springbok: ... is our tax dollars being spent to build and maintain vast data farms all across the US and for the salaries of the thousands of workers and contractors. Read the book Top Secret America by Dana Priest. But "freedom" will be lost if we don't let privacy go by the wayside. Terrorists will win, al-qaeda, freedom, liberty, take your guns, liberal, etc, etc.

el_huason

@108.38.68.x el_huason Anon Re: That load sucking noise you hear... said by mob: But "freedom" will be lost if we don't let privacy go by the wayside. Terrorists will win, al-qaeda, freedom, liberty, take your guns, liberal, etc, etc.



"Only two kinds of human beings can be trusted - dead and extinct. All others must be avoided at all costs" me. I'd rather see terrorists and other so-called "enemies of the state" win; nothing good can come from being watched and catalogued all the time"Only two kinds of human beings can be trusted - dead and extinct. All others must be avoided at all costs" me. Zach

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Thief River Falls, MN Zach Premium Member Re: That load sucking noise you hear... They've already won. Thanks to the tool of fear and the power of MSM, the brainwashed masses have conceded the game.

el_huason

@108.38.68.x el_huason Anon Re: That load sucking noise you hear... Then it's time to implement Plan B ASAP >;)



"Only two kinds of human beings can be trusted - dead and extinct. All others must be avoided at all costs" me.

meeeeeeeeee

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Newburgh, NY meeeeeeeeee to Zach

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The masses were never IN the game. The only games they understand are the ones on facedrool... but this situation has awakened a few... a tiny spark so to speak and from tiny sparks, mighty cleansing fires can grow. We shall see. joeMI

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Mcmillan, MI joeMI Member LOL...reform all you want Leahy Do you honestly think the NSA will stop data collecting whatever they want? The NSA reports to no one.



The NSA has demonstrated zero respect for law, the constitution and the people.



They are the embodiment of absolute power, corrupts absolutely.



At least with congress, you shine a bright spotlight and the rats will scurry around for the next campaign contribution. You shine a light on the NSA and you'll find yourself detained as a matter of national security...anywhere from a day to the rest of your life. your comment..

