"Four or 18? The league met in the middle. That's how we got 11. But I think even at that point it wasn't realistic. If you look at the early years of the league no one would play us. It's so unbelievable to me. Now these new teams come in, everybody's like we'll play Arizona State. But back then it was like all eight teams went D-I at once. And I think the big boys were all kind of like what's going on here? We couldn't get any games. It was crazy."