itmeJP Profile Joined February 2010 United States 1101 Posts #1



This past year has been incredible and without you guys here at TeamLiquid or others from countless communities, it would not have been possible. As soon as SC2 went into beta, I dreamed that MLG would be able to put on an event that can be said in the same breath as something like GSL. I think we did that this past weekend.



I've had these threads for the past events but this one I am looking for feedback from the entire year. There are a billion different threads scattered around the forums here at TL.net with criticism. In order for me to make an event report with good, constructive criticism, I've started this thread. Many eyes from MLG staff will be reading this thread and I'm sure the TL.net admins will be closely monitoring it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. If this becomes a 'Blizzard give us LAN support thread' or a 'The Better Caster is,' I have no other choice but to have it closed. There are already threads for that.



If you were at any of the events, tell us how to improve the live spectator experience. If you watched at home all year, tell us what you would like to see on the stream. If you were a player, tell us what we can do to improve your experience over the weekend. If you attended the event as press, tell us how we can make things easier on you. We’ll try our best to listen and improve the entire experience as much as possible when we come back next year bigger, baddass-er(?), and better than ever.



Thanks again to everyone who tuned in over the course of the year. Big shoutout to Singlecoil and the entire crew who produced the stream all year long as well as the tournament admins (Ryan Moore, aka the best tournament admin) who kept the event running smooth. You may never see their faces, but please make sure to give credit where credit is due



We'll be going into our off season now but we'll still be here on TeamLiquid wanting opinions on how to improve. As soon as we're able to talk about next year we'll let you guys know. Being the hype-guy that I am, the North American e-sports scene will never be the same. P.S. As a side note, I just wanted to personally thank everyone who helped me out throughout the year. Whether it was with casting, interviews, podcasts, opinions, etc, you guys proved to myself and to the world you're the best e-sports community out there. Without you guys, none of this is worth it and none of it is possible. Thank you so much. This past year has been incredible and without you guys here at TeamLiquid or others from countless communities, it would not have been possible. As soon as SC2 went into beta, I dreamed that MLG would be able to put on an event that can be said in the same breath as something like GSL. I think we did that this past weekend.I've had these threads for the past events but this one I am looking for feedback from the entire year. There are a billion different threads scattered around the forums here at TL.net with criticism. In order for me to make an event report with good, constructive criticism, I've started this thread. Many eyes from MLG staff will be reading this thread and I'm sure the TL.net admins will be closely monitoring it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand. If this becomes a 'Blizzard give us LAN support thread' or a 'The Better Caster is,' I have no other choice but to have it closed. There are already threads for that.If you were at any of the events, tell us how to improve the live spectator experience. If you watched at home all year, tell us what you would like to see on the stream. If you were a player, tell us what we can do to improve your experience over the weekend. If you attended the event as press, tell us how we can make things easier on you. We’ll try our best to listen and improve the entire experience as much as possible when we come back next year bigger, baddass-er(?), and better than ever.Thanks again to everyone who tuned in over the course of the year. Big shoutout to Singlecoil and the entire crew who produced the stream all year long as well as the tournament admins (Ryan Moore, aka the best tournament admin) who kept the event running smooth. You may never see their faces, but please make sure to give credit where credit is dueWe'll be going into our off season now but we'll still be here on TeamLiquid wanting opinions on how to improve. As soon as we're able to talk about next year we'll let you guys know. Being the hype-guy that I am, the North American e-sports scene will never be the same.As a side note, I just wanted to personally thank everyone who helped me out throughout the year. Whether it was with casting, interviews, podcasts, opinions, etc, you guys proved to myself and to the world you're the best e-sports community out there. Without you guys, none of this is worth it and none of it is possible. Thank you so much. Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP

HyperLimen Profile Joined May 2010 United States 265 Posts #2



The improvements that you guys made from the first tourney to the most recent are very noticeable, and I look forward to seeing what you guys do next season.



If I had to pick one thing to complain about, then it would have to be the map selection process. Its pretty annoying as a spectator just seeing people counter pick the most unfavorable map per matchup after losing game1. This sort of plays to it being too much of an advantage for losing a game in a series. Perhaps you guys could spend the next few months working out some new map selection rules I really enjoyed every tournament that you guys put on this season. I watched them in their entirety from Raleigh through Dallas.The improvements that you guys made from the first tourney to the most recent are very noticeable, and I look forward to seeing what you guys do next season.If I had to pick one thing to complain about, then it would have to be the map selection process. Its pretty annoying as a spectator just seeing people counter pick the most unfavorable map per matchup after losing game1. This sort of plays to it being too much of an advantage for losing a game in a series. Perhaps you guys could spend the next few months working out some new map selection rules TO THE BANK! - stephano

Vequeth Profile Blog Joined April 2009 United Kingdom 1002 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 22:55:48 #3 Different advert rotation, I swear if I see that old spice commercial one more time...



Edit: Also you dont get as much credit as you deserve for making this happen, GJ JP. Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss

DocM Profile Blog Joined June 2010 United States 211 Posts #4 On November 09 2010 07:54 Vequeth wrote:

Different advert rotation, I swear if I see that old spice commercial one more time...



Yes please!!! it's the worst watching DJwheat and Day9 chatting it up only to cut to commercial and see the same commercials over and over again. Literally, 3 plays of the same commercial in one break... Its mind boggling. I just ended up turning it off during the commercials. Yes please!!! it's the worst watching DJwheat and Day9 chatting it up only to cut to commercial and see the same commercials over and over again. Literally, 3 plays of the same commercial in one break... Its mind boggling. I just ended up turning it off during the commercials.

dacthehork Profile Blog Joined February 2008 United States 1816 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:01:52 #5 Fix the rules



Remove/Fix:

Technicalities

Extended Series

Reset situations etc

Map errors



Nony being screwed over even after asking if the map was right to an official is really backwards.



all of this is inexcusable, it's been 3 tournaments now and the rules are still straight Halo Rip Offs. I barely watched any of this MLG due to those reasons.



In fact MLG's entire response on SC2 is poor



Spectator area is still poor, prize pools are still very low, etc. I know they are halo bros and console fans in charge, but seriously put some effort into sc2 or let someone like JP run things (someone who at least tries / puts in effort).



Map pool:



Outdated map pool isn't a good idea. Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING

Klive5ive Profile Blog Joined January 2008 United Kingdom 5895 Posts #6 The stream was completely badass. Hard to pick holes in it, but since you asked :p



Could use another personality. Someone a little less awkward to get the crowd going, do interviews and stuff. Incontrol, someone like that, or a female possibly.



The extended series, get rid of that. Never stop a game mid-flow.

Oh and do a proper Bo5/7 GrandFinal at the end. This is all about the spectacle and even without the game crashing the final was a formality in the end, as it was in NY too.

If you had a proper Bo5 without the WB having an advantage you'd have a much better final.

Don't hate the player - Hate the game

sixghost Profile Blog Joined November 2007 United States 2096 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:09:27 #7 I'd really love to see the later matches upped to Bo5. Even if it was only for the WB and GFinals, I think that would be an improvement. Watching the grand finals of a huge tournament get wrapped up in 2 games still seems really weird to me.



Oh, also: The low-rent over the shoulder view of Nony vs Painuser was pretty awesome. Maybe in the future when Day9 needs a break, you guys could switch to a first-person view of one of the players and just let it run without commentary. That kind of stuff has always been awesome when they did it for MSL/OSL/PL games in BW, and I know they do that for Halo occasionally. mG.sixghost @ iCCup || One ling, two ling, three ling, four... Camp four gas, then ultra-whore . -Saracen

Mada` Profile Blog Joined September 2010 United Kingdom 37 Posts #8 The weekend, as well as the previous events were awesome, never a dull moment thanks to the players putting on awesome matches and djwheat and day9 for keeping us entertained!

Antoine Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 7347 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:03:50 #9 seems like there were a ton more games casted from the ro64 on (not including the first round of losers and winners for obvious reasons) than DC, much appreciated. also liked how many more intervews there were. looking forward to seeing big things for the 2011 tour, also please come back to the DC area



one thing i would say, is use the current ladder map pool after 2 weeks (so if ladder maps change the week of the tourney still use the old one, but otherwise use the more up to date pool)



i am a big fan of double elim but kind of indifferent about the extended series rule. i guess since the pros seem hate it and it would be easier to have longer series for the finals of each bracket/grand finals, the tourney could be better without extended series.



finally keep the technicals, it's a fine punishment for being overly bm and it's not like it should come into play at all if people are civil as they should be. Moderator Flash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호

Gemini_19 Profile Joined June 2010 United States 1161 Posts #10 The casting, games, and tension was amazing. Best MLG so far.



Any idea where to find the replays? I can't seem to find them on the website D: Day9 was saying how he was able to get some that last day of the tournament but I can't find them T_T @GGemini19 GM Protoss | http://www.twitch.tv/geminisc2 | I <333 HerO & Trap | Check out my Build of the Week series on /r/allthingsprotoss, TL, or Spawning Tool

drooL Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United Kingdom 2101 Posts #11 as many people will mention, the "extended series" needs to be overworked imo. it just makes the finals of the whole event horribly anticlimactic.

it just doesn't do justice to 2 great players who meet in the finals, but one being 2 or 1 game(s) behind off from the start. that doesn't make for good games and especially not for a good series. so please refrain from that custom addition to the double elim format and stick with the regular, established one, so that we can have a nice, full-out bo7 finals with epic matches, twists and turns.



any other than that, awesome tourney and awesome stream. i mean, yeah, the commercials are kind of enraging after some time but it has to be financed some how and we aren't forced to watch them anyways. i love the interviews, i (obviously) love the casters, i love seeing the player cams all the time, i love seeing the closeups between the games. the stream provides great coverage and a live-event-like experience, so definitely stick with that good work.



<3 to JP, dayjWHEAT and all the MLG staff. @nowSimon

KaiserReinhard Profile Blog Joined October 2008 United States 554 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:02:40 #12



The whole octoshape stream was a crapshoot for me. It worked fine for the first two days of the tournament but was constantly skipping on the third day, so I had to watch... a restream... forgive me.



As for the various rules and the map pools and whatnot, that's really something for the pro gamers to complain about, not a mere 1500 Diamond scrub like me.



Overall excellent event though, great job MLG guys. Overall it great, great tournament. Everyone was talking about how exciting the games were during the "post game show" on Scoots' ustream and I'm inclined to agree. Other than the fiasco with the finals there was very little downtime and I could comfortably sit at my computer all day and get hot Starcraft action pumped directly into my eyeballs.The whole octoshape stream was a crapshoot for me. It worked fine for the first two days of the tournament but was constantly skipping on the third day, so I had to watch... a restream... forgive me.As for the various rules and the map pools and whatnot, that's really something for the pro gamers to complain about, not a mere 1500 Diamond scrub like me.Overall excellent event though, great job MLG guys. twitch.tv/imkirok

Alou Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 3747 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:03:29 #13 I watched the stream all three times. I hope next year to attend 1 or 2 of the events though. For the stream, I would love it if the liveblog on the side was updated with more results. It's a real nice way to keep updated with the players. I get that there is a lot of players, but I'd love to see the liveblog on the right side of the stream used more to keep everyone updated.



The bracket itself is also something that annoyed me. It was just hard to navigate. Going down and across and back up just felt weird. I like how you guys put the match replays within the brackets and would love for that to continue, but I think you might do even better if you put all the replays in one zip file at the end of the day. For the casters themselves, Day9, JP, and Wheat were great. I was personally not a fan of HD or Husky and would rather they aren't invited to commentate future events.



One of the things I didn't like was the lunch break that took up so much time in the middle of the day. If there is anyway casters or players could have some sort of rotated lunch break (like one caster leaves and eats while other 2 commentate and like loser brackets players leave and eat while winners bracket play) that would be great.



Also would like to see the spectators at the event accommodated more. Would love to see SC2 on the mainstage either in place of or along side Halo.



Thanks for the event!



Edit - and fix the rules. The extended series and random technicalities are horrid. Life is Good.

h4rris Profile Joined October 2010 United States 6 Posts #14 I was able to attend the Dallas tournament, and it was quite fun! The only feedback I have to offer is regarding the seating. I feel like my $25 ticket should at least get me a seat with a back to watch from. Perhaps I'm just terribly out of shape or not used to live spectator events like this, but it seemed like there was no reasonably available place to comfortably watch the matches from.



I still had a lot of fun at the event, though, and look forward to future MLG events, perhaps with some better seating.

Antoine Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 7347 Posts #15 there is nothing random about technical fouls, i don't know why people complain about it. it's simple - don't be overly bm or you'll be punished. Moderator Flash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호

FreezerJumps Profile Joined May 2010 Canada 646 Posts #16 Keep Day9 and Wheat, and take the blantantly imbalanced maps out of the pool.



It would be nice to know when one of the breaks will actually be a longer break ( >5 minutes). I don't mind sitting through a couple minutes of ads, but if it's going to be 20 minutes until the next match, it would be nice to know.

.zch Profile Joined July 2010 37 Posts #17 JP+MLG crew: great job with everything, from getting SC2 on the circuit in the first place and weathering all the criticism and improving throughout the season.

I went to DC, and it was fantastic. The only thing I would have liked is a separate area for the crowd so they could hear the casters and the players couldn't; HOWEVER it looked like that may have been fixed in Dallas. If so, that was literally my only complaint at the Live event, so just keep doing what you're doing.



As far as the streams go, I agree with Vequeth that the commercials are getting pretty old...but Vequeth, don't hold your breath. I used to watch MLG every now and then for Halo, and they had almost the exact same commercial lineup last season. Besides which, this isn't really the responsibility of MLG, it's more the fact that there are relatively few major sponsors for MLG and each of those sponsors only have a couple of commercials. I wish they'd change it up, but I would expect that the matter rests in the hands of the sponsors.



Can't really think of too much else to say in a 'negative' or criticizing fashion; maybe keep an open mind and consider changing the "continuation series" rule. I'm not sure that it's a bad thing currently, but it would be worth discussing. Try to make sure that the Nony-wrong-map-choice shenanigan doesn't happen again. Keep up the good work. That is all.



dacthehork Profile Blog Joined February 2008 United States 1816 Posts Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:12:04 #18 On November 09 2010 08:05 Antoine wrote:

there is nothing random about technical fouls, i don't know why people complain about it. it's simple - don't be overly bm or you'll be punished.



You can't make observers this game, stalkers, etc. It's ridiculous. If they have some "technical foul" rule at least make the punishment make some sense besides being an auto loss.



Also rules on asking for a pause needs to change, such as having to raise a hand and wait for a ref to come by to pause the game. In sc2 those seconds are huge and can easily cost them the game, allow people to pause if they run into trouble and then call a ref over to discuss the situation. You can't make observers this game, stalkers, etc. It's ridiculous. If they have some "technical foul" rule at least make the punishment make some sense besides being an auto loss.Also rules on asking for a pause needs to change, such as having to raise a hand and wait for a ref to come by to pause the game. In sc2 those seconds are huge and can easily cost them the game, allow people to pause if they run into trouble and then call a ref over to discuss the situation. Warturtle - DOTA 2 is KING

FliedLice Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Germany 6909 Posts #19 The quality of the stream got so much better since the first SC2 event at Raleigh and I'm very happy about that.





The ruleset has to be updated to match SC2 tho... The extended series and that technicality rule (is that what it's called? and was wheat really not bullshitting people?) are pretty weird to most of the SC2 followers... But I guess that's something to change in future events anyway (Looking at the quite clear result of the Poll about the extended series next to the stream on mlgpro.com yesterday and what was said on the aftershow stream)...





The commercial breaks become pretty obnoxious after a while, because it's the same spots over and over again... But the money has to come from somewhere, right? :E



The lunch break that one day (can't tell whether it was the first or second one) was especially annoying, showing that Dr. Pepper Ultimate Gaming House thing 2(!) times in a row (Was that really neccessary?). I was very happy when you just showed an over-the-shoulder shot of Tyler playing his matches against Pain.User(?) during lunch break the third day. Kevmeister @ Dota2

gerundium Profile Joined June 2010 Netherlands 785 Posts #20 I have watched every MLG SC2 event in full (not in HD though, because i'm broke :S ). What i have seen the quality has gone up between all of these events, and they all felt really professional so well done on that.

A few of the rules are not how i would design them for an SC2 tournament, but this has been discussed to such an extent that i don't feel like pointing them all out again.



What i really liked / missed were the interviews with the players. At DC and Dallas there were pre-recorded interviews with players likely to make a deep run, but these were broadcasted during the weekend when every topic was already dated. I would have liked to see these interviews used in a kind of pre-show type of deal. a preview so to say.

What i would like next to moving up the prerecorded interviews is having interviews like in Raleigh. Interview players on the floor who have been knocked down to losers bracket or out of the tournament or after a major win against someone, like right after the games. I feel like those kind of interviews really help viewers to identify with players there more so we get to feel more engaged in the epic stories that happen in big tournament brackets like this (like selects run at DC)



Next to that i would like to Thank the entire MLG staff and everyone involved in this for putting such a good show already. It has been a good year for SC2, and i hope it's going to get 2 times as awesome next season. GG.

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