Veritas Profile Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 106 Posts Last Edited: 2016-04-02 19:56:55 #1 Update 2.6.0 (2016-04-02):

New: You can import SALT encoded build strings. Grab some from spawningtool.com and try it out!

New: The default builds have been updated for LotV (shamelessly stolen from spawningtool.com)

Fix: In-game detection has been updated for Patch 3.1.4



Hey TL,



The past few days I've been working on the successor to



Originally I had planned to not give BON any further development, but the other night I was watching CatZ use a program called SC2 XSplit Scene Switcher. My first thought was "Cool, I bet BON could use something like that", which led to me researching how it works and discoving that R1CH made a cool little application called StarInfo as well. Both of these applications are a large inspiration for the new features of SC2 Scrapbook.



Anyone who used BON previously will likely enjoy SC2 Scrapbook. There are a fair amount of cool new features, and a fair amount of bugfixes too.



To use the overlay, YOU MUST USE WINDOWED MODE. The way this overlay works is the same way there is absolutely no reason to get banned for using it. It's an invisible window, not a DirectX overlay injection.



And of course, no post is complete without pretty screenshots.









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Protips:

The move the build overlay, drag the title.

To lock the overlay, double click inside the overlay content. New: You can import SALT encoded build strings. Grab some from spawningtool.com and try it out!New: The default builds have been updated for LotV (shamelessly stolen from spawningtool.com)Fix: In-game detection has been updated for Patch 3.1.4Hey TL,The past few days I've been working on the successor to Build Order Notebook . Since it has become more than just a build order notebook, I've decided that a new name is in order.Originally I had planned to not give BON any further development, but the other night I was watching CatZ use a program called SC2 XSplit Scene Switcher. My first thought was "Cool, I bet BON could use something like that", which led to me researching how it works and discoving that R1CH made a cool little application called StarInfo as well. Both of these applications are a large inspiration for the new features of SC2 Scrapbook.Anyone who used BON previously will likely enjoy SC2 Scrapbook. There are a fair amount of cool new features, and a fair amount of bugfixes too.To use the overlay,. The way this overlay works is the same way there is absolutely no reason to get banned for using it. It's an invisible window, not a DirectX overlay injection.And of course, no post is complete without pretty screenshots.Requires .NET Framework 4.0 Protips:The move the build overlay, drag the title.To lock the overlay, double click inside the overlay content.

Waah Profile Joined February 2011 United States 120 Posts #2 Thank you, will try it out.

beAwsm Profile Joined April 2011 Germany 8 Posts #3 Wow, really really helpful! Thanks alot! I will definitely use it everytime I play until I get the BO's down!

Glacierz Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1133 Posts #4 Very nice!

Glacierz Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1133 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:12:01 #5 Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed?

rasers Profile Joined February 2010 Sweden 673 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:15:56 #6 holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...

now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl

FMStyles Profile Joined September 2009 Germany 139 Posts #7 First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious? Weaklings can't pick their way of death.

Veritas Profile Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 106 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:20:40 #8 On November 22 2011 02:10 Glacierz wrote:

Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed?



Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though.



Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though. On November 22 2011 02:15 FMStyles wrote:

First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious?

The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory.



The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory. On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:

holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...

now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl



Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.

Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.

Glacierz Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1133 Posts #9 On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:

holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...

now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl



I'm pretty sure that's not the point of this... I see a lot of utility in using this as a way to optimize certain builds/timings past the beginning 5 minutes. I'm pretty sure that's not the point of this... I see a lot of utility in using this as a way to optimize certain builds/timings past the beginning 5 minutes.

ELA Profile Joined April 2010 Denmark 4573 Posts #10 This looks really nice! Good job OP, im sure this will be very useful The first link of chain forged, the first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.

-swordguy Profile Blog Joined April 2011 United States 560 Posts #11 In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS). I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once - William Shakespeare, ‘’Julius Caesar’’

PiLoKo Profile Joined January 2011 Mexico 144 Posts #12 On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:

holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...

now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl



Yeah, keep yourself close minded not to know this is a great practice tool.



Keep the good work, this one is great for all those low league players who can´t do a BO, this will help them a lot improve their game. Yeah, keep yourself close minded not to know this is a great practice tool.Keep the good work, this one is great for all those low league players who can´t do a BO, this will help them a lot improve their game. I like to troll in-game :)

Grumbels Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Netherlands 6994 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-21 17:36:21 #13 On November 22 2011 02:18 Veritas. wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 22 2011 02:10 Glacierz wrote:

Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed?



Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though.



Show nested quote +

On November 22 2011 02:15 FMStyles wrote:

First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious?

The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory.



Show nested quote +

On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:

holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...

now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl



Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.

Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though.The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory.Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.

I like the idea. From what I take it, if you want to practice a build order you can have it as an overlay on your screen as a reminder? I really dislike learning new build orders myself, it's so obnoxious and I always wish I could speed up the process to the point where I know intuitively what to do. Unfortunately, that requires a fair bit of playing versus the AI to practice builds and such, so it's just not a terribly fun thing to do.



More broadly, I don't see what people's opposition is to these sort of out-of-game aids. Do you really think that any pro ever is going to cheat using this in a competitive match? When that moment arrives we can sort it out and in the meantime can't this be a nice tool to help make the game more fun for the masses?



I like the idea. From what I take it, if you want to practice a build order you can have it as an overlay on your screen as a reminder? I really dislike learning new build orders myself, it's so obnoxious and I always wish I could speed up the process to the point where I know intuitively what to do. Unfortunately, that requires a fair bit of playing versus the AI to practice builds and such, so it's just not a terribly fun thing to do.More broadly, I don't see what people's opposition is to these sort of out-of-game aids. Do you really think that any pro ever is going to cheat using this in a competitive match? When that moment arrives we can sort it out and in the meantime can't this be a nice tool to help make the game more fun for the masses? On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:

In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).

The ladder is for playing games. It's the feature in this game designed for letting you just keep playing games against human players, so how else can you practice? (for most players) An aid for memorizing build orders will do the exact same thing as a friend standing next to you helping you with your build. Is that cheating too? The ladder is for playing games. It's the feature in this game designed for letting you just keep playing games against human players, so how else can you practice? (for most players) An aid for memorizing build orders will do the exact same thing as a friend standing next to you helping you with your build. Is that cheating too? Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.

Veritas Profile Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 106 Posts #14 On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:

In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).



And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ?



Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it. And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ?Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it.

Vinski Profile Joined November 2010 498 Posts #15 Can you get banned for using this? Because in the past there was a large problem with people getting banned for using a simple RaidCall overlay which allowed people to see who was talking in a VOIP channel. Anyone know about this one? "Sound is in a bad marriage, instead of divorcing her and keeping half your shit, he just committed suicide"

Glacierz Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1133 Posts #16 I dont see how this can possibly get you banned. I can just have a piece of note taped on my monitor plus a timer that does same thing...

ahri Profile Joined August 2010 Croatia 24 Posts #17 It's less cheat than audio build order thingie anyway. Minds are like parachutes - they only function when open

Veritas Profile Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 106 Posts #18 On November 22 2011 02:35 Vinski wrote:

Can you get banned for using this? Because in the past there was a large problem with people getting banned for using a simple RaidCall overlay which allowed people to see who was talking in a VOIP channel. Anyone know about this one?



There was a large discussion about this in the previous thread. I seem to recall someone saying RaidCall people got unbanned and it was an error.



The overlays are nothing but an invisible window with text on. Nothing illegal about it. There was a large discussion about this in the previous thread. I seem to recall someone saying RaidCall people got unbanned and it was an error.The overlays are nothing but an invisible window with text on. Nothing illegal about it.

Grumbels Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Netherlands 6994 Posts #19 On November 22 2011 02:34 Veritas. wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:

In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).



And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ?



Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it. And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ?Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it.

A question to you: have you ever thought about creating a more complete SC2 environment? I've always thought that to properly learn SC2, especially if you intend to be a bit more professional about it, it should be important to reflect on your games, to set goals for future practice sessions and such. In short, you need a professional environment to help you manage these aspects. And while it's possible to just write stuff down in notepad, it seems like there could be a bit of a market for managing software here. A question to you: have you ever thought about creating a more complete SC2 environment? I've always thought that to properly learn SC2, especially if you intend to be a bit more professional about it, it should be important to reflect on your games, to set goals for future practice sessions and such. In short, you need a professional environment to help you manage these aspects. And while it's possible to just write stuff down in notepad, it seems like there could be a bit of a market for managing software here. Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.

Glacierz Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1133 Posts #20 On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:

In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).



So you are saying it is cheating if I tape a notecard under my monitor with the same content? So you are saying it is cheating if I tape a notecard under my monitor with the same content?

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