

spewak

R.I.P Dadkins

Premium Member

join:2001-08-07

Elk Grove, CA ·Consolidated Com..

1 recommendation spewak Premium Member Indictment? Or is it fact? Notice the quote from the article:

"This is currently a pilot program in Edmonton which, after the evaluation of its success, will be expanded to other Shaw service areas starting next year,"

Seems like they have already come to a conclusion.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 Karl Bode News Guy Re: Indictment? That's usually the case with these trials. There's no real interest in seeing consumer response (they KNOW consumer response), it's about making sure billing systems work well enough to begin bringing in the additional revenue...



Shaw_User

@printmaxpro.com Shaw_User Anon Re: Indictment? They will see nothing on my bill if they bring this in.....their 250+ they see from me every month for HDTV/phone/internet will be zero a month.



-Can't overcharge zero.



Jim deeen

@shawcable.net Jim deeen Anon Re: Indictment?



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IF you where anymore crappy you would be » agreed i will be switching to teksavvy for $39.95/Month Up to 5M/800k unlimited since it is 28$ cheaper then shaw currently costs since they already overcharge us. Do you really think we will pay more in overage charges then it would cost us to buy unlimited? teksavvy.com/ look at what real competition shaw and see how you fail to compete.... you can't collude with telus forever once people see your money grab you can kiss your cable and voip phone customers goodbye as well. Might as well bundle it all with teksavvy or get telus assuming they still only harrase you with phone calls rather then overcharge for stuff that costs you pennies on the dollar... You already cost to much and provide too little.IF you where anymore crappy you would be » www.shockware.com/ bad.....



trainwreck6

join:2010-09-21

off track trainwreck6 to Shaw_User

Member to Shaw_User

Shaw can kiss both my ass cheeks.

EdmundGerber

join:2010-01-04 94.7 11.0

EdmundGerber to Karl Bode

Member to Karl Bode

said by Karl Bode:



That's usually the case with these trials. There's no real interest in seeing consumer response (they KNOW consumer response), it's about making sure billing systems work well enough to begin bringing in the additional revenue...

That's usually the case with these trials. There's no real interest in seeing consumer response (they KNOW consumer response), it's about making sure billing systems work well enough to begin bringing in the additional revenue...



They are likely obliged by law to trial it or something. Thanks again cogeco, thanks for nothing. I think he was referring to the success part of that statement. From that statement plans will go forward to spread it to all shaw areas - as 'success' is all but assured, given their statement.They are likely obliged by law to trial it or something. Thanks again cogeco, thanks for nothing.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 1 recommendation Karl Bode News Guy Re: Indictment? Well, right. I was just saying "success" has absolutely nothing to do with what consumers think of the process, and yeah the trial will be a "smashing success" whatever happens because the goal is to boost revenues ahead of a surge in Netflix streaming to please investors -- something that happens even if customers hate this idea and their usage monitor winds up being awful.

jh2010

join:2009-09-03

Brooklyn, NY jh2010 Member Shaw Confirms Plans To Charge Per Gig Overages Many ISPs throughout the world have GB limits on Internet access.



In Australia, the BS overage charges were causing headlines(such as a person leaving Kazzar running(minimized but not closed) and incurring huge overage charges, over $10,000).



The solution, give them all the Bandwidth they can use(subject to Cable and ADSL limitations). When they go over their monthly GB limit, throttle their link to 64K, 128K or maybe even 256K until the month cycle is completed or they upgrade to another plan. This keeps the costs consistent and enables users to know how much they are using(They also provide usage Stats websites so users can see their consumption at a glance).



wdoa

join:2001-10-16

Spencer, MA 1 recommendation wdoa Member Re: Shaw Confirms Plans To Charge Per Gig Overages Ahh, but that wouldn't increase the corporations revenue. It's all about how to extract more money from our wallets.



jmn1207

Premium Member

join:2000-07-19

Sterling, VA 1 recommendation jmn1207 Premium Member Re: Shaw Confirms Plans To Charge Per Gig Overages said by wdoa:



Ahh, but that wouldn't increase the corporations revenue. It's all about how to extract more money from our wallets.

Ahh, but that wouldn't increase the corporations revenue. It's all about how to extract more money from our wallets. Exactly. These types of limits and regulations are implemented only to make additional profits and to protect their own video business for those companies that offer it. There is simply no reason to restrict users based on a total consumption limit. A properly managed network should be able to ensure that everyone gets their fair share of the available capacity.

hoyleysox

Premium Member

join:2003-11-07

Long Beach, CA hoyleysox Premium Member Bright side People infected by botnet malware will have a financial incentive to fix their PCs or to disconnect them from the network.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29

Eustis, FL Mr Matt Member Re: Bright side Right, after they get a bill for $20,000.00 and do not understand why. These schemes are like giving poisoned candy to the customer without explaining why it will make them sick.



Be the first to watch bankrupt the customer in high definition on NetFlix. Customers are poisoned by lack of competition. I worked for a Dial-Up ISP that was constantly upgrading their network and modem pools to stay ahead of the competition.They finally threw in the towel when they realized that DOCSIS and DSL would write their epitaph. Right, after they get a bill for $20,000.00 and do not understand why. These schemes are like giving poisoned candy to the customer without explaining why it will make them sick.Be the first to watch bankrupt the customer in high definition on NetFlix. Customers are poisoned by lack of competition. I worked for a Dial-Up ISP that was constantly upgrading their network and modem pools to stay ahead of the competition.They finally threw in the towel when they realized that DOCSIS and DSL would write their epitaph.



notyet321

@verizon.net notyet321 Anon Thus spake Shaw to its customers: "What costs us nothing extra will cost you an arm and a leg."



mix

join:2002-03-19

Rockford, IL mix Member What is the current cap? What does Shaw have right now as their current caps?



Doctor Four

My other vehicle is a TARDIS

Premium Member

join:2000-09-05

Dallas, TX Doctor Four Premium Member Re: What is the current cap? The link » Shaw Considering Imposing Overages? in the story summary has a link to Shaw's current tiers of service. The cap ranges from 12 GB to 125 GB.



pfak

Premium Member

join:2002-12-29

Vancouver, BC pfak to mix

Premium Member to mix

Residential



Lite @ 13GB ($35.00)

High-Speed @ 75GB ($47.00)

Extreme @ 125GB ($57.00)

Warp @ 250GB ($107.00)

Nitro @ 500GB ($160.00)



Business



Point Of Sale @ 10GB ($21.95)

High Speed @ 70GB ($54.95)

Extreme @ 110GB ($78.85)

Server @ 200GB ($301.95)



mix

join:2002-03-19

Rockford, IL mix Member Re: What is the current cap? Wait, why are the business caps smaller?



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: What is the current cap? said by mix:



Wait, why are the business caps smaller?

Wait, why are the business caps smaller? the same reason the prices are higher for same exact service. businesses can afford to be raped harder.



Megax

@shawcable.net Megax to mix

Anon to mix

high speed lite

35$ for the 13 gigs a month tree which is insane already considering the ISP that shaw bought up in my area charged me 45$ for unlimited and this was in 2002 also i had 3x more upload speed then i do now.



high speed 47$ a month with 75 gig month limit



high speed xtreme is 57$

which i pay for already because they forced me onto a higher teir because of my usage.

125 GB/month data transfer



then there is warp for 107$ at 50 megs a sec 250 GB/month data transfer which has as much bandwidth which has the only reasonable cap but unavailable in most areas.



Already they have forced me to pay more for my usage and now they want more. And the CRTC will let them because they do what is in the best interests of the big corporations



morbo

Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22

00000 morbo Member Shaw Will assume you're an idiot for no extra charge Shaw Will assume you're an idiot for no extra charge



kingdome74

Let's Go Orange

Premium Member

join:2002-03-27

Syracuse, NY kingdome74 Premium Member Heading the Wrong Direction As cell phone services slowly move toward dropping the minute driven packages toward unlimited usage cable companies in exactly the opposite direction. With more and more of our lives becoming inter-meshed with the internet placing caps on it's usage seems criminal. And as long as the customers sit still or even encourage caps the cable will continue to stagnate while raking in millions and millions for a service they promised and changed on a dime.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24

Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Wireline Costs



Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion. To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: » dslprime.com/a-wireless- ··· gigabyte Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

eraser122

join:2009-03-09 eraser122 Member Re: Wireline Costs said by sonicmerlin:



To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: »



Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: » dslprime.com/a-wireless- ··· gigabyte Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion. Where do you keep getting this 80% margin (which I presume you mean profit margin) from?

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24

Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: Wireline Costs said by eraser122:



said by sonicmerlin:



To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: »



Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: » dslprime.com/a-wireless- ··· gigabyte Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

Where do you keep getting this 80% margin (which I presume you mean profit margin) from? Craig Moffett: » blog.ockhamresearch.com/ ··· to-come/

eraser122

join:2009-03-09 eraser122 Member Re: Wireline Costs said by sonicmerlin:



said by eraser122:



said by sonicmerlin:



To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: »



Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

To be specific each gigabyte of data is estimated to cost them 4-5 cents: » dslprime.com/a-wireless- ··· gigabyte Also the "congestion" excuse is pathetic these days with the presence of DOCSIS 3 and the massive, 80% margins cable companies make on each customer. They can easily afford to split enough nodes to avoid congestion.

Where do you keep getting this 80% margin (which I presume you mean profit margin) from?

Craig Moffett: » blog.ockhamresearch.com/ ··· to-come/



Profit margin typically is defined as overall net income of a company after taxes as a percentage of the revenue that company takes in overall. That formula factors in operating expenses such as employees, building leases, the cost of buildout, etc. You can't attribute a margin on a single product, because you can't factor in many operating expenses to that product and only that product (ex. technician, the cars/trucks they need to use, etc.). Those are indirect costs.



Take a look at Comcast's 10-K financial statement for the year ending in 2009. »



They take in over $35 billion in revenue for that year. At the same time, their net income (their profit) after taxes is $3.6 billion. Going by the formula to calculate a company's profit margin, you get $3.6 billion divided by $35 billion, giving you just over a 10% profit margin, meaning that for every dollar that Comcast took in as revenue, 10 cents of that dollar is actually profit, while the remaining 90 are used to pay off operating expenses.



So I really don't know what page Moffett is on, but I think he's confusing profit margin with markup on a product. Ok, but he doesn't cite where he got those numbers, and I'm not convinced that he really means profit margin and not simply markup on a product. Those are two distinct things.Profit margin typically is defined as overall net income of a company after taxes as a percentage of the revenue that company takes in overall. That formula factors in operating expenses such as employees, building leases, the cost of buildout, etc. You can't attribute a margin on a single product, because you can't factor in many operating expenses to that product and only that product (ex. technician, the cars/trucks they need to use, etc.). Those are indirect costs.Take a look at Comcast's 10-K financial statement for the year ending in 2009. » www.google.com/finance?f ··· AQ:CMCSA They take in over $35 billion in revenue for that year. At the same time, their net income (their profit) after taxes is $3.6 billion. Going by the formula to calculate a company's profit margin, you get $3.6 billion divided by $35 billion, giving you just over a 10% profit margin, meaning that for every dollar that Comcast took in as revenue, 10 cents of that dollar is actually profit, while the remaining 90 are used to pay off operating expenses.So I really don't know what page Moffett is on, but I think he's confusing profit margin with markup on a product.



Ron23

@shawcable.net Ron23 Anon Re: Wireline Costs said by eraser122:



Ok, but he doesn't cite where he got those numbers, and I'm not convinced that he really means profit margin and not simply markup on a product. Those are two distinct things.



Profit margin typically is defined as overall net income of a company after taxes as a percentage of the revenue that company takes in overall. That formula factors in operating expenses such as employees, building leases, the cost of buildout, etc. You can't attribute a margin on a single product, because you can't factor in many operating expenses to that product and only that product (ex. technician, the cars/trucks they need to use, etc.). Those are indirect costs.



Take a look at Comcast's 10-K financial statement for the year ending in 2009. »



They take in over $35 billion in revenue for that year. At the same time, their net income (their profit) after taxes is $3.6 billion. Going by the formula to calculate a company's profit margin, you get $3.6 billion divided by $35 billion, giving you just over a 10% profit margin, meaning that for every dollar that Comcast took in as revenue, 10 cents of that dollar is actually profit, while the remaining 90 are used to pay off operating expenses.



So I really don't know what page Moffett is on, but I think he's confusing profit margin with markup on a product.

Ok, but he doesn't cite where he got those numbers, and I'm not convinced that he really means profit margin and not simply markup on a product. Those are two distinct things.Profit margin typically is defined as overall net income of a company after taxes as a percentage of the revenue that company takes in overall. That formula factors in operating expenses such as employees, building leases, the cost of buildout, etc. You can't attribute a margin on a single product, because you can't factor in many operating expenses to that product and only that product (ex. technician, the cars/trucks they need to use, etc.). Those are indirect costs.Take a look at Comcast's 10-K financial statement for the year ending in 2009. » www.google.com/finance?f ··· AQ:CMCSA They take in over $35 billion in revenue for that year. At the same time, their net income (their profit) after taxes is $3.6 billion. Going by the formula to calculate a company's profit margin, you get $3.6 billion divided by $35 billion, giving you just over a 10% profit margin, meaning that for every dollar that Comcast took in as revenue, 10 cents of that dollar is actually profit, while the remaining 90 are used to pay off operating expenses.So I really don't know what page Moffett is on, but I think he's confusing profit margin with markup on a product. So.... is that 10% profit AFTER they paid huge upper management Salaries and Bonuses?

pb2k

join:2005-05-30

Calgary, AB Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X

Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-AC-LITE

pb2k Member Does the bandwidth expire? The only question is, do you have to use the entire bandwidth block in a month? I would consider the 250GB bandwidth block a reasonable deal if unused bandwidth didn't expire (ie you could go 25GB over the limit for 10 months straight on a single 250GB block).



I personally find that (albeit I'm not on shaw) I generally run 65d/5u to 150d/10u depending on the month, so given a 125GB (extreme-I) cap, I could probably make a 250GB block stretch out for almost 2 years if I tried hard enough.



Simba7

I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT Simba7 Member Re: Does the bandwidth expire? Don't give 'em any ideas.. They might pull that next year.



"We'll just give them a 100GB, 250GB, 500GB, or 1TB chunk for the ENTIRE YEAR. We'll charge accordingly."



2 words.. Screw that..

jpom5

join:2005-09-16

Edmonton, AB 1 edit jpom5 to pb2k

Member to pb2k

In the forum thread is was stated that the Data Packs must be used in that month (bill cycle) there is no roll-over apparently it has to do with Shaw's counters resetting every bill cycle, but if you believe they couldn't adjust that if they wanted too I have ocean front property in Edmonton to sell you too.



Anon7

@shawcable.net Anon7 to pb2k

Anon to pb2k

no it doesnt carry over. If you don't use it in 1 month...it's gone. And if you way under your aloted monthly package NO savings, as in rebate are passed on to you.



Anon6

@comcast.net Anon6 Anon Extra Bandwith This is about making extra money from people who use the service more. They know what people use the service for and do with the service. The prices for "extra bandwidth" aren't cheap by any means and proves that.



cchhat01

Dr. Zoidberg

join:2001-05-01

Elmhurst, NY cchhat01 Member Why not just... ... throttle the connection (to a speed ~256kbits/sec) instead of charging overages... oh right, i forgot, there's no profitable business model in that.



Taz

@96.51.17.x Taz Anon Stress Less! The only people that are stressing about this change are those who are abusing the system (and those with botnet infections). This change will not impact 98% (or more) of Shaw's customer base.



MM

@shawcable.net MM Anon Re: Stress Less! Really you think people know they have only 13 GB/month data transfer for the lowest plan in my city? wont effect 98% of customers is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. With caps that make COMCRAP look good and no option for unlimited or even blocks of bandwidth from the duopolies. People here tend to use their internet not just check emails... considering downloading the new wowpatch and a couple of games over legit services can ezly break the cap and then some.



I dont know where u get off saying it wont effect 98% of people, unless you mean until they get 100$ overage fee because their household has more then 1 person using the internet and youtube....



pkarlos_76

join:2004-08-24

Edmonton, AB pkarlos_76 to Taz

Member to Taz

said by Taz :



The only people that are stressing about this change are those who are abusing the system (and those with botnet infections). This change will not impact 98% (or more) of Shaw's customer base.

Agreed!! Agreed!!



The Limit

Premium Member

join:2007-09-25

Denver, CO The Limit Premium Member why not. Just offer what you can handle, instead of oversubscribing to a point of no return? Oh wait, that's not good enough for the bottom line, instead of making an obscene profit, I would rather become greedier, oh yes because gigabytes are definitely valued at 1 dollar. I can't believe that Rep thinks that customers arevtgat ignorant. Who cares if you boosted capacity by 25 %, if you cant handle the speed, don't offer the tier. I mean, is it really that glhard to understand?



NiX

@eldoradogold.com NiX Anon Switch to NOVUS! Novus is sick, no overcharges, and WAAAAY cheaper then Shaw "rip-off" cable!



Thane_Bitter

Inquire within

Premium Member

join:2005-01-20 ·Start.ca

Thane_Bitter Premium Member Overage fees



Seriously, given their obscene costs it would be cheaper to buy a couple of hard drives and FedEX them around the whole world. As much as I loath Bell, at least those SOB's have a cap on how much their overcharge fee is.



Congratulations Shaw Communications, you have raised the bar of how to screw over customers. 250 GB for $50Seriously, given their obscene costs it would be cheaper to buy a couple of hard drives and FedEX them around the whole world. As much as I loath Bell, at least those SOB's have a cap on how much their overcharge fee is.Congratulations Shaw Communications, you have raised the bar of how to screw over customers.

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

San Jose, CA chgo_man99 Member Obviously something did not go right during telco deregulation in Canada. The U.S went through the same things and have monopolies, duopolies, but we don't have to suffer as much from cost and shady practices as Canada.



ShawSucks

@grouptelecom.net ShawSucks Anon ShawSucks I had so many problems with Shaw internet it was insane. They kept saying it was a problem at my house, what pile of crap. I switched over to Telus a month ago, no one had to come to my house, my connections problems disappeared and I've never looked back. Do yourself a favour and drop Shaw!



Bill Neilson

Premium Member

join:2009-07-08

Alexandria, VA Bill Neilson Premium Member When Comcast introduced the 250gb cap I breathed a bit of a sigh of relief as that high cap seemed a bit reasonable to me.



Then I see AT&T and others with these laughable 2gb caps all the while AT&T encourages MORE people to use their products AND new Apps are coming out daily for people to use it.



It is a joke that these companies are offering laughably low caps



I know, I know....AT&T claims that 99% (exaggerating) of people don't hit the 2gb cap yet not a real surprise that I, and many others, on internet forums seem to be coming near it monthly and I am NOT a Netflix streamer or a heavy user whatsoever



They put these caps in so more people will hit it

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member Re: When Comcast introduced the 250gb cap said by Bill Neilson:



I breathed a bit of a sigh of relief as that high cap seemed a bit reasonable to me.



Then I see AT&T and others with these laughable 2gb caps all the while AT&T encourages MORE people to use their products AND new Apps are coming out daily for people to use it.



It is a joke that these companies are offering laughably low caps



I know, I know....AT&T claims that 99% (exaggerating) of people don't hit the 2gb cap yet not a real surprise that I, and many others, on internet forums seem to be coming near it monthly and I am NOT a Netflix streamer or a heavy user whatsoever



They put these caps in so more people will hit it

I breathed a bit of a sigh of relief as that high cap seemed a bit reasonable to me.Then I see AT&T and others with these laughable 2gb caps all the while AT&T encourages MORE people to use their products AND new Apps are coming out daily for people to use it.It is a joke that these companies are offering laughably low capsI know, I know....AT&T claims that 99% (exaggerating) of people don't hit the 2gb cap yet not a real surprise that I, and many others, on internet forums seem to be coming near it monthly and I am NOT a Netflix streamer or a heavy user whatsoeverThey put these caps in so more people will hit it



Neverthless Canadians getting ripped off again by another broadband provider. I seriously doubt that running backbone fiber across Canada is any more or less expensive than it is to run across most of the northern USA (north of most major metro areas on the coasts). If that 2gb cap is for UVERSE DSL, they're in for a rude awakening in customer loss. Wireless broadband isn't a real comparison when most companies are a ripoff.Neverthless Canadians getting ripped off again by another broadband provider. I seriously doubt that running backbone fiber across Canada is any more or less expensive than it is to run across most of the northern USA (north of most major metro areas on the coasts).



MM

@shawcable.net MM Anon I will be switching To telus or teksavvy in a second should they pull this BS. They can kiss my 120 bucks a month goodbye, considering how much they overcharge already this is unacceptable.



The fact that the two major providers refuse to compete in bandwidth just proves the collusion between them so they can FORCE THEIR OWN VOD SERVICES DOWN YOUR THROAT. considering the cost of bandwidth this is a flat out attack on your choices. With higher plans($67) at mere 100 gigs a month for a whole family in a house in the digital age where all content can be transferred over the internet rather then in dvds and physical media overpriced and pathetic caps are an attack on people who are already paying more then they should.



Im sorry but when COMCRAP has better and more acceptable caps for less money something is wrong....



sbrook

Mod

join:2001-12-14

Ottawa sbrook Mod Re: I will be switching If Telus charges it to TekSavvy, TekSavvy as a wholesaler will be forced to pay and not through any fault of their own.



Zod

@tdbank.ca Zod to MM

Anon to MM

Telus doesn't enforce caps on their Turbo or faster packages. They still seem to turn a good profit. I don't see why telus doesn't make this intentional and advertise the crap out of being unlimited? They could make Shaw look really bad in their advtertising.. and even people who don't use alot would attracted to unlimited.



When DSL is loosing customers to cable, you would think Telus would jump all over it. Telus can't beat shaw on speeds, but they can sure shaw on bandwidth consumption.