The politics were very down-to-earth and sort of survival kind of politics into which I, you know, immediately, or like students, not immediately, got involved and I worked in... already as soon as the Soviets marched in 1940, and of course, that was when I was 17, we already, we formed groups and worked in the underground published newsletters which really pulled me deeper and deeper. And by the time the Germans came in, I was so involved with that, finally I had to... I was in danger of being arrested, and that's when myself and my brother, I persuaded.... he joined me. We deciding that it's time we, we cannot stay because we were told by those who were more connected and had fingers in the German's secret police, they knew that we should disappear, that we may be arrested. That was in '44, summer, spring of '44. So, having said we had to... and, where can we disappear?

We were pretty naive so we said, okay, let's go to Vienna and maybe we can, join the university, you know, attend university, we will tell that we are going... if they stop us we'll tell that we are going, you know, students going to the University of Vienna which we did, but, of course, we never reached Vienna. We were taken by the German army and placed near Hamburg in a forced labour camp together with war, war prisoners, you know, French, Italians. So, the politics were, you know, survivalist. In our newsletter, in the one that I had to type, my function was... they wanted it typed, typed it and put it together, there were some people who were listening to BBC and writing down whatever we could, so all those news were, it was mostly news that were not available in any other way and the locals know what the Germans did there and there and there or there before that or the Soviets did there and there and there. It was information which were distributed then though... in little batches to friends and, um, I used to carry always some in my cap, in my hat under... things like that.