EndlessViolence Profile Joined January 2011 94 Posts #2 sick line up

Super excited for this!

AzAlexZ Profile Joined September 2016 China 2178 Posts #3 Neeb for the win Faker is a god! SKT Best KT

EleMenTfiNi Profile Joined January 2015 Canada 107 Posts #4 Good work Don't complain about things you're not willing to change.

PuroYO Profile Joined May 2014 Norway 58 Posts Last Edited: 2017-07-10 10:44:33 #5 TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS

I've stated it before and I'll state it again, SC2 price pools are pathetic, WCS circuit 100k, winner 25k, this tourney's price pool is 200 dollars..



There is no money in SC2 so people don't bother playing Sc2 as a competitive gamer, they'll go somewhere else like Dota, LoL, CS, HotS, casualwatch and so on, same with viewers, it's not exciting to see people fight over 200 dollars, it's just not, even if the game is good that's all negated because.. 200 dollars.



It makes it seem like an amateur tournament, pros shouldn't have to settle for mere scraps.



Also, not streaming on Twitch.. How many years behind are they, 5?



I want MORE people to watch, SC2 not less, and less is what happens when you make it seem like the pros are amateurs, fighting for pocket change.



Science above all. - Go Snute!

Elentos Profile Blog Joined February 2015 52843 Posts Last Edited: 2017-07-10 10:56:11 #6 On July 10 2017 19:34 PuroYO wrote:

TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS

I've stated it before and I'll state it again, SC2 price pools are pathetic, WCS circuit 100k, winner 25k, this tourney's price pool is 200 dollars..



There is no money in SC2 so people don't bother playing Sc2 as a competitive gamer, they'll go somewhere else like Dota, LoL, CS, HotS, casualwatch and so on, same with viewers, it's not exciting to see people fight over 200 dollars, it's just not, even if the game is good that's all negated because.. 200 dollars.





There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned, but most of them are team games so they have to share those 'scraps' among several people, so how about you get half a clue before you make posts like that? There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned, but most of them are team games so they have to share those 'scraps' among several people, so how about you get half a clue before you make posts like that? Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.

PuroYO Profile Joined May 2014 Norway 58 Posts Last Edited: 2017-07-10 11:12:10 #7

"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"



Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.



Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.



I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..



League of legends, millions in major tournaments.



Dota, millions in major tournaments.



Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.



SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..



PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?



Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?



Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..

Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2?

"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..League of legends, millions in major tournaments.Dota, millions in major tournaments.Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2? Science above all. - Go Snute!

LaughNgamez Profile Joined April 2015 Canada 497 Posts #8 Sorry to say guys but the event has been cancelled due to lack of player confirmation/no shows. Thanks to everyone who turned up for such a great lineup. (◕‿◕✿) Hopefully one day a decent caster http://www.youtube.com/LaughNgamez (◠‿◠✿)

SetGuitarsToKill Profile Blog Joined December 2013 Canada 28391 Posts #9 On July 10 2017 20:11 PuroYO wrote:



"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"



Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.



Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.



I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..



League of legends, millions in major tournaments.



Dota, millions in major tournaments.



Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.



SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..



PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?



Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?



Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..

Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2?

"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..League of legends, millions in major tournaments.Dota, millions in major tournaments.Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2?

Well hopefully this makes you feel better, none of the pros showed up. Well hopefully this makes you feel better, none of the pros showed up. Community News "As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill

CynicalDeath Profile Joined January 2012 Italy 2489 Posts #10 ...seems like someone got up from the wrong side of the bed... Liquipedia SC2 LP Staff - My Life for Aiur - Let the Metal flow - @Cynical_Death

Saechiis Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Netherlands 4079 Posts #11 Ah that's too bad. I think esports is pretty nice.

PuroYO Profile Joined May 2014 Norway 58 Posts Last Edited: 2017-07-10 11:46:19 #12 On July 10 2017 20:28 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 10 2017 20:11 PuroYO wrote:



"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"



Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.



Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.



I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..



League of legends, millions in major tournaments.



Dota, millions in major tournaments.



Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.



SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..



PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?



Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?



Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..

Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2?

"There are small tournaments with price pools of about 200$ like this one in every game you mentioned"Yes, BUT NOT WITH PROFESSIONALS.Also, you'll never find a tournament in other games, even team games, where professionals fight for hundreds of dollars, you simply won't.I've watched competitive gaming and eSport for many years and the last time I remember seeing price pools in the HUNDREDS was back in 2007-2008 when we were still competing for hardware and you were lucky if you got a new mouse..League of legends, millions in major tournaments.Dota, millions in major tournaments.Quake, one million in a BETA Tournament.SC2, 25k to the winner of WCS circuit, a major tournament..PS: You're stating that it's ok for pros to fight for hundreds of dollars and yet you're telling me I have no clue.. Do you even understand what you just stated and the ramifications of treating the best of the best at something like amateurs?Interest will be lost, which is why viewership in SC2 is at an all-time low and still declining, it's why less and less people start playing SC2 because there is no future in it, yes earning 25k for a WCS circuit is great, but when you can win tier 3 tournaments in other games for hundreds of thousands then the perspective changes, why bother going for 25kx3 a year when you can win 1 tournament in another game and exceed all the price pools for SC2 that year?Heck, the last place finisher at LCS globals got more than the winner of WCS global..Do you understand now why people go to other games and why less and less people are interested in SC2?

Well hopefully this makes you feel better, none of the pros showed up. Well hopefully this makes you feel better, none of the pros showed up.



It absolutely does not, what would've made me feel better is if the professionals were valued like professionals, not like amateurs.



I like SC2, I want it to be bigger, it won't get bigger if professionals are treated like amateurs and play in tournaments for pocket change, like wcs circruit win 25k.



They can ask fans for 200 bucks and get it faster.



It also won't get better when every time someone states an opinion or suggestion that you guys disagree with you attack that person instead of trying to understand.



I want SC2 to be big again, SC2 is a freaking fantastic game, the only thing missing is the interest, and when even the professionals lose interest in tournaments you know it's falling apart.



Am I wrong for wanting more money in the scene so there is more hype?



Yes, money is hype, case in point: The International Majors, the CS Majors, LCS majors, Quake beta(1 mill USD for a BETA TOURNAMENT).. It absolutely does not, what would've made me feel better is if the professionals were valued like professionals, not like amateurs.I like SC2, I want it to be bigger, it won't get bigger if professionals are treated like amateurs and play in tournaments for pocket change, like wcs circruit win 25k.They can ask fans for 200 bucks and get it faster.It also won't get better when every time someone states an opinion or suggestion that you guys disagree with you attack that person instead of trying to understand.I want SC2 to be big again, SC2 is a freaking fantastic game, the only thing missing is the interest, and when even the professionals lose interest in tournaments you know it's falling apart.Am I wrong for wanting more money in the scene so there is more hype?Yes, money is hype, case in point: The International Majors, the CS Majors, LCS majors, Quake beta(1 mill USD for a BETA TOURNAMENT).. Science above all. - Go Snute!

PuroYO Profile Joined May 2014 Norway 58 Posts #13 On July 10 2017 20:30 CynicalDeath wrote:

...seems like someone got up from the wrong side of the bed...



No need to be rude when others suggest changes or state their opinion. No need to be rude when others suggest changes or state their opinion. Science above all. - Go Snute!

Kafka777 Profile Joined December 2015 354 Posts #14 As all the players are staying in one flat in Korea I do not think they did not show up - it appears rather there must have been some miscommunication.

LaughNgamez Profile Joined April 2015 Canada 497 Posts #15 On July 10 2017 20:54 Kafka777 wrote:

As all the players are staying in one flat in Korea I do not think they did not show up - it appears rather there must have been some miscommunication.



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Saechiis Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Netherlands 4079 Posts #16 On July 10 2017 20:42 PuroYO wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 10 2017 20:30 CynicalDeath wrote:

...seems like someone got up from the wrong side of the bed...



No need to be rude when others suggest changes or state their opinion. No need to be rude when others suggest changes or state their opinion.



MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT ALL CAPS ON YOUR FIRST SENTENCE AND MADE A REASONABLE POINT PEOPLE WOULDN'T RESPOND TO YOU AS IF YOU WHERE A SMALL CHILD.



There's not millions in the SC2 scene nor was there ever. Pro players play small tournaments for small money because some money is more than no money. You seem oblivious to the fact that money has to come from somewhere. Complaining about an Afreeca sponsored tournament not being run on Twitch is just pure stupidity.

MAYBE IF YOU DIDNT ALL CAPS ON YOUR FIRST SENTENCE AND MADE A REASONABLE POINT PEOPLE WOULDN'T RESPOND TO YOU AS IF YOU WHERE A SMALL CHILD.There's not millions in the SC2 scene nor was there ever. Pro players play small tournaments for small money because some money is more than no money. You seem oblivious to the fact that money has to come from somewhere. Complaining about an Afreeca sponsored tournament not being run on Twitch is just pure stupidity. I think esports is pretty nice.

AlexGPunkt Profile Joined January 2016 Germany 256 Posts Last Edited: 2017-07-10 12:34:03 #17 Sad that it did not happen. Will it be postponed or is it cancelled completely?

And thanks for organising and putting up the money!



@ PuroYO: Yes, not as much money as in other games. But I would think, in a game where not much money is to make, every "scrap" wil help professionals to live their dream, e.g. staying in Korea for practice.

I get that you want more, but in reality, money will be invested, if money can be made. That is not really possible with SC2 anymore, or at least only in smaller amounts.

I´m happy SC2 will prevail and small tournaments help that.



You say that it does not help to attack people stating their opinion, but your way of stating your opinion devalues the effort the organizer put into this. Your way of shitting on all the work, all the love that is given triggers peoples reaction. Then they attack you.



Maybe be nicer about general criticism instead of hating in a specific tournament thread.



I dont want to attack you, just the way I read your posts.

Rolltide Profile Joined May 2017 United States 447 Posts #18 The way I look at tournaments like this is that it is opportunity to make some cash doing something they already do 10 hours a day.



They are playing Starcraft 2 anyway online so why not make $50-$200?





Rolltide Profile Joined May 2017 United States 447 Posts #19 The big tournaments still pay very well. GSL, IEM, Blizzcon.



SSL premier pays at least $200 for weekly 2 out of 3 matches even if you lose 2-0. More based on how you do.



Zest has had a terrible year but he was able to win a small land tournament in Toronto recently that paid out $4000. You know who he had to beat to win that free trip to Canada and the $4000? Shadow, Pilipili, Noregret and Keen.





Rolltide Profile Joined May 2017 United States 447 Posts #20 As all the players are staying in one flat in Korea I do not think they did not show up - it appears rather there must have been some miscommunication.



Only Scarlett is presently living in Korea. Only Scarlett is presently living in Korea.

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