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The Libertarian candidate for president, Gary Johnson, said on Sunday he “might actually run the table on all this” and win the White House in November, thanks to “the polarisation of Clinton and Trump”.

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Johnson, who favours the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal and proposes making legal immigration easier, said his candidacy represented what a lot of Americans wanted but couldn’t find in either of the major-party nominees.



“You know how crazy this election cycle is,” he told Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace. “I might be the next president.”



A crucial hurdle for Johnson is to gain inclusion in the presidential debates, for which he needs to register at least 15% support in polls. Asked by Wallace if “it’s game over” if he does not make it on to the debate stage, Johnson agreed but said he was “really optimistic” that he could.

“The Presidential Debate Commission has identified five polls,” he said, referring to the surveys on which qualification with a 15% threshold will be based. “We’re at 10% flat on those five polls. And that’s an increase really of probably about 4% consensus over the last six or seven weeks. So we’re optimistic that we’re going to actually get into the debates.



“We’re spending money right now in many states. In five states right now, I’m at 16%. So I’m just really optimistic.”

A Morning Consult poll released on Sunday put the four-way split at Hillary Clinton at 39%, Donald Trump at 37%, Johnson at 8% – he was at 9% in the same poll earlier in August – and the Green party candidate, Jill Stein, at 3%.

The realclearpolitics.com average of polls put Clinton at 42%, Trump at 38%, Johnson at 8.1% and Stein at 3.3%.

The first presidential debate is set for Hofstra University in New York on Monday 26 September, the second for Sunday 9 October at Washington University in St Louis and the third for the University of Nevada in Las Vegas on Wednesday 19 October. A vice-presidential debate will be held at Longwood University in Farmville, Virginia, on Tuesday 4 October.

Trump is reportedly seeking more favourable terms and has yet to formally agree to take part. Nonetheless, according to the Washington Post, he hosted a debate preparation session on Sunday, at a golf club he owns in New Jersey.

Johnson advocates abolishing a number of government departments and agencies, scrapping the income tax and withdrawing from military engagements. He was until recently chief executive of a marijuana marketing company and if elected would delist the drug as a class one narcotic.

Citing a scenario familiar to watchers of the HBO satire Veep, Wallace asked if Johnson’s aim was to keep Clinton and Trump below the 270 electoral-vote threshold for winning the presidency, which would throw the race into the House of Representatives, a polarised body in which a one-state-one-vote ballot might give Johnson the presidency on a second ballot.

“Well, the object is to win outright,” Johnson said. “And it’s not impossible that if we go into the presidential debates with the polarisation of Clinton and Trump that we might actually run the table on all this. And I’m talking about me and Bill Weld, two former Republican governors re-elected in heavily Democrat states.”

Johnson was governor of New Mexico, Weld of Massachusetts.

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“I don’t think there’s any arguing that we did make differences in our state[s] being fiscally conservative, socially inclusive,” Johnson continued. “I’ll add to that, that we’re really skeptical about intervening militarily to achieve regime change that I think has resulted in a less-safe world.

“So I think that we represent about 60% of Americans with that philosophical belief.”

A difficult exchange followed on Johnson’s policies on immigration, tax, a balanced federal budget and the use of American force, the candidate repeating that he was “not getting elected dictator or king” and Wallace countering that “when you say we’re not going to be elected dictator, you’re saying, ‘Don’t take my policies seriously because they won’t get through.’”

Undaunted, Johnson closed by emphasising his optimism.

“You know how crazy this election cycle is,” he said. “I might be the next president. You know that, right?”

Wallace attempted to answer, but Johnson continued.

“That’s why I’m on,” he said.

“I hope you’ll give me your first interview in the White House,” Wallace said.

“There we go,” Johnson said. “There we go.”