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I ... the law Street Journal digital network joining me now it is Eric Smith ... executive chairman and co ... existence ... how do you feel about its new again and then ... you meet the information that was supposed to be ... in this classified secret information and that the scene and the public ... it's really um rejects ... the financial security agency ... was looking between the dual data centers if that's true ... the steps that the organization was willing to do with out the judgment ... but to pursue its mission ... and could potentially violate people's privacy is not okay ... it's just not ok ... so in essence the stone revelations have assisted us in understanding that ... up it's perfectly possible that they're more revelations to come ... so I mean engaged on the issue with the NSA has been all ... well we've complained to many many people starting with the mass purity agency the president the vice president ... you name that's ... come as well as the Congress ... of this legislation this being discussed in the Congress ... and I think he just doesn't pass the stone steps ... simple examples the National Security Agency allegedly ... collected the phone records of every phone call ... of three hundred and twenty million people ... in order to identify roughly three hundred people who might be addressed ... that's just bad public policy ... but you can argue to the alliance between Friday and public is being sued ... tend to get ... a blurred out with so much access on the image ... that you have to take a strong position in favor of privacy ... privacy is really the right to be left alone ... do you really want the government tracking all of those in information ... especially if you're domestic citizens is going about your life ... what is the right balance for that let's start with the appropriate oversight in it for for transparency ... there clearly are cases where evil people exist ... but you don't have to violate the privacy of every single citizen of America ... in order to find them ... okay so I talked to a little bit about China ... will China ... succeeded in silencing the bloggers ... whether trying to you know China decided he wanted the benefits from this perspective of the Internet without the criticism and political thought in our brains ... he wanted to empower their citizens but not too much ... to the recently enacted a lot were a few created a stir if you will with more than five hundred people ... the penalties very severe ... it clearly will have a chilling effect ... what is un clear and I was just in Beijing ... um has the authority said all will use that for a few people ... write to the question is if it's five thousand people will be in that cost five thousand people who don't ... to feel like this is more a war they are going for it is this a very serious that the Chinese government has a view in this and we strongly disagree with that they they don't mind little things that they don't want things that could up in the quarter as the CIA ... and the progress of the country as the CIA who will spend five years working under the censorship rules ... and they're often involving things like embarrassment of the mayor's son was arrested in things like that ... things we should be permitted to be for ... sale will go bowling for consider I'm starting up again in China and India two thousand and eleven was planned that was it in you decided to ... sit and sit tight ... we never say never but the fact the matter is the Chinese censorship regime ... has gotten season significantly worse since we left something would have to change before we would go we come back ... this is in a lot of companies and especially tech companies are saying ... time passed me the Fed is you can ignore at with a one point three billion people the growing middle class ... so I mean does it will feel like you could really leave China off your radar ... well we're not really turned off the radar we serve China from Hong Kong ... and the government to their own firewall known as the great firewall does the censorship and ... that seem like a reasonable outcome ... in these two to ... two systems one country weaker for the ... Hong Kong freer system ... that was well that North Korea and then it knew how to check there I wanna talk about where are you believe the country's headed in terms of technology cuz I certainly know I was I went to Pyongyang five years ago where they ... collected our cell phones before we get to leave the airplane ... internet so necessarily true in you have a lot more North Koreans ... who have phones which ... they never did send it's not as good as that unfortunately ... owns the rough the rough situation Tongyang is the ... fear about a million people have mobile phones ... a partnership with a company called the rocks ... this Phone Still Rome ... they don't have internet access they can go out of the country ... we tried and I'm not sure we were successful in not ... to open up a little that when you say it tried to have a nap a little bit what is that me ... well we were trying to convince them to the strewn on roaming ... right ... there's no question that the mobile phones are there for the problems are not for useful ceramic veritable we use ... um they did a showcase for they showed us ... essentially one off of everything they have built an Android tablet that can only go to a computer ... um as their attempts to build their own industry but it subscale its not big enough to show you expect with light north especially with the currency has aimed to open up completely right ... well that you might be able to convince them that it's in their interest to open up a little bit ... no clean up a little bit is the beginning of the process ... and the reason you would open a little bit is that the median of electronic commerce and for business ... aam and they're certainly grappling with issues of food availability ... education social unrest so what ... what's the next step Cuba's Arnett is next on analysts is that are you going when we go to ... thanks Fran that's it ... thank you ...