Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts #6741 right now it has qb AND iron talon in early game items which is probably a bit unintuitive. Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-08 16:51:12 #6742 On November 09 2016 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote:

right now it has qb AND iron talon in early game items which is probably a bit unintuitive.



Oh, QB is supposed to be removed. Thanks Oh, QB is supposed to be removed. Thanks https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-09 14:29:23 #6743 ed https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Sn0_Man Profile Joined October 2012 Tebellong 31461 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-08 16:52:57 #6744 I mean if you remove qb entirely and just leave iron talon, that's probably enough for a guide the way i see it

but up to you

similar to how casual yasha isn't really a thing either (same issue, it's replaced with just windlace) and the build these days is radiance-travs-ocore-manta in that order Moderator SCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6745 On November 09 2016 01:52 Sn0_Man wrote:

I mean if you remove qb entirely and just leave iron talon, that's probably enough for a guide the way i see it

but up to you

similar to how casual yasha isn't really a thing either (same issue, it's replaced with just windlace) and the build these days is radiance-travs-ocore-manta in that order



Yeah I meant to remove it.



You're right on build order Yeah I meant to remove it.You're right on build order https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-12 19:24:34 #6746 Naga Siren (Core)

Added Tango to Starting Items

Added Ring of Protection to Starting Items

Removed Quelling Blade

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Yasha



Ancient Apparition (Support)

New Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Cold Feet 2. Ice Vortex 3. Chilling Touch)

Moved Hand of Midas to Early Game

Moved Urn of Shadows to Situational Items



Ancient Apparition (Core)

Added Tango to Starting Items

Added Null Talisman to Starting Items

Removed Faerie Fire

Removed Iron Branch x2



Earthshaker

New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Fissure 2. Aftershock 3. Enchant Totem)

Added Shadow Blade to Situational Items

Moved Force Staff to Core Items

Moved Veil of Discord to Situational Items

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension Items

Removed Animal Courier

Removed Flying Courier

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Sentry Ward

Removed Dust of Appearance

Removed Smoke of Deceit

Removed Gem of True Sight



Chen

Added Tango to Starting Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Moved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational Items

Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Scythe of Vyse



Zeus

New Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Arc Lightning 3. Static Field)

Moved Veil of Discord to Core Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Situational Items

Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Removed Bloodstone



Storm Spirit

New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q W Q R W W W (1. Overload 2. Static Remnant 3. Electric Vortex)

Added Null Talisman to Starting Items

Added Iron Branch to Starting Items

Moved Black King Bar to Situational Items

Moved Linken's Sphere to Extension Items

Removed Faerie Fire x2

Removed Magic Wand



Lich

New Skill Build: E Q E Q E R Q Q W E R W W W R (1. Frost Blast 2. Sacrifice 3. Ice Armor)



Witch Doctor

New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Voodoo Restoration 3. Maledict)

Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items

Moved Aether Lens to Core items

Moved Glimmer Cape to Extension Items



Tusk

New Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q E W W R E E E R (1. Ice Shards 2. Snowball 3. Frozen Sigil)

Added Wind Lace to Starting Items

Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items

Added Lotus Orb to Extension Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Removed Iron Branch

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Enchanted Mango



Templar Assassin

Added Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension Items

Removed Manta Style



Terrorblade

New Skill Build: E W E W E W E W R Q R Q Q Q R (1. Metamorphosis 2. Conjure Image 3. Reflection)

Added Poor Man's Shield to Early Game

Added Butterfly to Extension Items

Removed Quelling Blade



Tidehunter

New Skill Build: E W E W E R E W Q W R Q Q Q (1. Anchor Smash 2. Kraken Shell 3. Gush)

Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items

Added Iron Talon to Core Items

Added Octarine Core to Extension Items

Removed Animal Courier

Removed Aghanim's Scepter



Spirit Breaker

New Skill Build: Q E W E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste)

Added Tango to Starting Items

Added Drum of Endurance to Situational Items

Added Crimson Guard to Situational Items

Added Lotus Orb to Situational Items

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Moved Silver Edge to Core Items

Removed Clarity

Removed Shadow Blade

Removed Wind Lace

Removed Vladmir's Offering

Removed Sange & Yasha



Viper

New Skill Build: Q W Q E E R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Corrosive Skin 2. Poison Attack 3. Nethertoxin)

Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items

Added Butterfly to Extension Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items

Moved Manta Style to Extension Items

Removed Monkey King Bar



Visage

Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items

Added Magic Wand to Core Items

Added Pipe of Insight to Situational Items

Added Scythe of Vyse to Extension Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Moved Force Staff to Extension Items

Moved Rod of Atos to Extension Items

Removed Clarity

Removed Vladmir's Offering

Removed Shiva's Guard



Dazzle

Moved Urn of Shadows to Core Items

Removed Medallion of Courage



Treant Protector

New Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Living Armor 2. Leech Seed 3. Nature's Guise)

Added Wind Lace to Starting Items

Added Hand of Midas to Core Items

Added Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Moved Aghanim's Scepter to Core Items

Moved Medallion of Courage to Situational Items

Removed Clarity

Removed Stout Shield

Removed Medallion of Courage

Removed Orb of Venom



Doom (Jungle)

New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour)

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Core Items

Removed Mekansm

Removed Crimson Guard



Doom (Offlane)

New Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour)

Added Boots of Travel to Extension Items

Moved Silver Edge to Situational Items

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Shadow Blade

Removed Crimson Guard

Removed Mekansm



Omniknight

New Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R W W R W E E R (1. Purification 2. Repel 3. Degen Aura)

Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items

Moved Vladmir's Offering to Situational Items

Removed 2x Iron Branch



Venomancer

Added Wind Lace to Starting Items

Added Arcane Boots

Moved Force Staff to Core Items

Moved Glimmer Cape to Situational Items

Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Iron Branch

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Tranquil Boots

Removed Ring of Aquila



Leshrac

New Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm)

Added 2x Observer Ward to Starting Items

Added Force Staff to Situational Items

Moved Blink Dagger to Extension Items

Moved Veil of Discord to Extension Items

Removed Octarine Core

Removed Shiva's Guard



Leshrac (Core)

New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W R (1. Lightning Storm 2. Split Earth 3. Diabolic Edict)

Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items

Removed Magic Wand



Lone Druid (Jungle)

Added Tranquil Boots to Core - Druid

Moved Iron Talon to Starting Items

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Tango

Removed Boots of Speed

Removed Magic Wand



Lone Druid (Core)

Added Hand of Midas to Core - Bear

Added Blight Stone to Core - Druid

Removed Iron Talon

Removed Magic Wand



Lycan (Jungle)

Added Headdress to Early Game

Removed Blight Stone



Lycan (Core)

Added Iron Talon to Early Game

Removed Enchanted Mango

Removed Quelling Blade

Removed Blight Stone



Gyrocopter (Core/Mid)

Added Tango to Starting Items

Added Wraith Band to Starting Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items

Moved Manta Style to Situational Items

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Circlet of Nobility

Removed Faerie Fire x2

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Daedalus



Gyrocopter (Core/Safe)

Added Wraith Band to Starting Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Core Items

Moved Manta Style to Situational Items

Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items

Removed Healing Salve

Removed Ring of Protection

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Clarity

Removed Daedalus



Elder Titan (Offlane)

New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Echo Stomp 2. Astral Spirit 3. Natural Order)

Added Stout Shield to Starting Items

Added Healing Salve to Starting Items

Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items

Added Power Treads to Core Items

Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items

Removed Wind Lace

Removed Iron Branch x2

Removed Clarity

Removed Tranquil Boots

Removed Soul Ring

Removed Crimson Guard



Elder Titan (Support)

Added Observer Ward to Starting Items

Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items

Removed Animal Courier

Removed Clarity

Removed Magic Wand

Removed Crimson Guard



Undying

Added Arcane Boots to Core Items

Added Mekansm to Core Items

Added Guardian Greaves to Extension Items

Moved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational Items

Moved Lotus Orb to Situational Items

Moved Pipe of Insight to Extension Items

Removed Flying Courier

Removed Observer Ward

Removed Sentry Ward

Removed Tranquil Boots



Bloodseeker (Core/Mid)

New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage)

Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items

Moved Silver Edge to Core Items

Moved Sange & Yasha to Situational Items



Bloodseeker (Core/Safe)

New Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage)

Added Faerie Fire x2

Added Power Treads to Core Items

Added Magic Wand to Core Items

Moved Quelling Blade to Early Game



Bloodseeker (Jungle)

Added Infused Raindrop to Core Items

Added Ring of Aquila to Core Items



Keeper of the Light

Added Ghost Scepter to Situational Items



Wraith King

Removed Radiance Added Tango to Starting ItemsAdded Ring of Protection to Starting ItemsRemoved Quelling BladeRemoved Healing SalveRemoved YashaNew Skill Build: E Q Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Cold Feet 2. Ice Vortex 3. Chilling Touch)Moved Hand of Midas to Early GameMoved Urn of Shadows to Situational ItemsAdded Tango to Starting ItemsAdded Null Talisman to Starting ItemsRemoved Faerie FireRemoved Iron Branch x2New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q E E E R W W W R (1. Fissure 2. Aftershock 3. Enchant Totem)Added Shadow Blade to Situational ItemsMoved Force Staff to Core ItemsMoved Veil of Discord to Situational ItemsMoved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Extension ItemsRemoved Animal CourierRemoved Flying CourierRemoved Observer WardRemoved Sentry WardRemoved Dust of AppearanceRemoved Smoke of DeceitRemoved Gem of True SightAdded Tango to Starting ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsMoved Necromonicon - Level 3 to Situational ItemsMoved Pipe of Insight to Extension ItemsMoved Force Staff to Extension ItemsRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Scythe of VyseNew Skill Build: Q E W W W R W Q Q Q R E E E R (1. Lightning Bolt 2. Arc Lightning 3. Static Field)Moved Veil of Discord to Core ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Situational ItemsMoved Force Staff to Extension ItemsRemoved BloodstoneNew Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q W Q R W W W (1. Overload 2. Static Remnant 3. Electric Vortex)Added Null Talisman to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Branch to Starting ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Situational ItemsMoved Linken's Sphere to Extension ItemsRemoved Faerie Fire x2Removed Magic WandNew Skill Build: E Q E Q E R Q Q W E R W W W R (1. Frost Blast 2. Sacrifice 3. Ice Armor)New Skill Build: Q E Q W Q R Q W W W R E E E R (1. Paralyzing Cask 2. Voodoo Restoration 3. Maledict)Added Lotus Orb to Situational ItemsMoved Aether Lens to Core itemsMoved Glimmer Cape to Extension ItemsNew Skill Build: Q W Q W Q R Q E W W R E E E R (1. Ice Shards 2. Snowball 3. Frozen Sigil)Added Wind Lace to Starting ItemsAdded Pipe of Insight to Situational ItemsAdded Lotus Orb to Extension ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsRemoved Iron BranchRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Enchanted MangoAdded Diffusal Blade - Level 2 to Extension ItemsRemoved Manta StyleNew Skill Build: E W E W E W E W R Q R Q Q Q R (1. Metamorphosis 2. Conjure Image 3. Reflection)Added Poor Man's Shield to Early GameAdded Butterfly to Extension ItemsRemoved Quelling BladeNew Skill Build: E W E W E R E W Q W R Q Q Q (1. Anchor Smash 2. Kraken Shell 3. Gush)Added Enchanted Mango to Starting ItemsAdded Iron Talon to Core ItemsAdded Octarine Core to Extension ItemsRemoved Animal CourierRemoved Aghanim's ScepterNew Skill Build: Q E W E E R E Q Q Q R W W W R (1. Greater Bash 2. Charge of Darkness 3. Empowering Haste)Added Tango to Starting ItemsAdded Drum of Endurance to Situational ItemsAdded Crimson Guard to Situational ItemsAdded Lotus Orb to Situational ItemsAdded Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsAdded Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsMoved Silver Edge to Core ItemsRemoved ClarityRemoved Shadow BladeRemoved Wind LaceRemoved Vladmir's OfferingRemoved Sange & YashaNew Skill Build: Q W Q E E R E E Q Q R W W W R (1. Corrosive Skin 2. Poison Attack 3. Nethertoxin)Added Pipe of Insight to Situational ItemsAdded Butterfly to Extension ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Situational ItemsMoved Manta Style to Extension ItemsRemoved Monkey King BarAdded Enchanted Mango to Starting ItemsAdded Magic Wand to Core ItemsAdded Pipe of Insight to Situational ItemsAdded Scythe of Vyse to Extension ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Core ItemsMoved Force Staff to Extension ItemsMoved Rod of Atos to Extension ItemsRemoved ClarityRemoved Vladmir's OfferingRemoved Shiva's GuardMoved Urn of Shadows to Core ItemsRemoved Medallion of CourageNew Skill Build: E W E Q E R E W W W R Q Q Q R (1. Living Armor 2. Leech Seed 3. Nature's Guise)Added Wind Lace to Starting ItemsAdded Hand of Midas to Core ItemsAdded Pipe of Insight to Extension ItemsMoved Aghanim's Scepter to Core ItemsMoved Medallion of Courage to Situational ItemsRemoved ClarityRemoved Stout ShieldRemoved Medallion of CourageRemoved Orb of VenomNew Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour)Added Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Core ItemsRemoved MekansmRemoved Crimson GuardNew Skill Build: Q W W E W R W E E E R Q Q Q R (1. Scorched Earth 2. Infernal Blade 3. Devour)Added Boots of Travel to Extension ItemsMoved Silver Edge to Situational ItemsRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Shadow BladeRemoved Crimson GuardRemoved MekansmNew Skill Build: Q E Q E Q W Q R W W R W E E R (1. Purification 2. Repel 3. Degen Aura)Added Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational ItemsMoved Vladmir's Offering to Situational ItemsRemoved 2x Iron BranchAdded Wind Lace to Starting ItemsAdded Arcane BootsMoved Force Staff to Core ItemsMoved Glimmer Cape to Situational ItemsMoved Pipe of Insight to Extension ItemsRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Iron BranchRemoved Observer WardRemoved Tranquil BootsRemoved Ring of AquilaNew Skill Build: Q W W Q W R W Q Q E R E E E R (1. Diabolic Edict 2. Split Earth 3. Lightning Storm)Added 2x Observer Ward to Starting ItemsAdded Force Staff to Situational ItemsMoved Blink Dagger to Extension ItemsMoved Veil of Discord to Extension ItemsRemoved Octarine CoreRemoved Shiva's GuardNew Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E Q Q W R W W W R (1. Lightning Storm 2. Split Earth 3. Diabolic Edict)Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension ItemsRemoved Magic WandAdded Tranquil Boots to Core - DruidMoved Iron Talon to Starting ItemsRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed TangoRemoved Boots of SpeedRemoved Magic WandAdded Hand of Midas to Core - BearAdded Blight Stone to Core - DruidRemoved Iron TalonRemoved Magic WandAdded Headdress to Early GameRemoved Blight StoneAdded Iron Talon to Early GameRemoved Enchanted MangoRemoved Quelling BladeRemoved Blight StoneAdded Tango to Starting ItemsAdded Wraith Band to Starting ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Core ItemsMoved Manta Style to Situational ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed Circlet of NobilityRemoved Faerie Fire x2Removed Magic WandRemoved DaedalusAdded Wraith Band to Starting ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Core ItemsMoved Manta Style to Situational ItemsMoved Black King Bar to Extension ItemsRemoved Healing SalveRemoved Ring of ProtectionRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed ClarityRemoved DaedalusNew Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q W W W R E E E (1. Echo Stomp 2. Astral Spirit 3. Natural Order)Added Stout Shield to Starting ItemsAdded Healing Salve to Starting ItemsAdded Enchanted Mango to Starting ItemsAdded Power Treads to Core ItemsAdded Ghost Scepter to Situational ItemsRemoved Wind LaceRemoved Iron Branch x2Removed ClarityRemoved Tranquil BootsRemoved Soul RingRemoved Crimson GuardAdded Observer Ward to Starting ItemsAdded Ghost Scepter to Situational ItemsRemoved Animal CourierRemoved ClarityRemoved Magic WandRemoved Crimson GuardAdded Arcane Boots to Core ItemsAdded Mekansm to Core ItemsAdded Guardian Greaves to Extension ItemsMoved Eul's Scepter of Divinity to Situational ItemsMoved Lotus Orb to Situational ItemsMoved Pipe of Insight to Extension ItemsRemoved Flying CourierRemoved Observer WardRemoved Sentry WardRemoved Tranquil BootsNew Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q R (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage)Added Drum of Endurance to Core ItemsMoved Silver Edge to Core ItemsMoved Sange & Yasha to Situational ItemsNew Skill Build: Q E E Q E R E W W W R W Q Q (1. Thirst 2. Blood Rite 3. Bloodrage)Added Faerie Fire x2Added Power Treads to Core ItemsAdded Magic Wand to Core ItemsMoved Quelling Blade to Early GameAdded Infused Raindrop to Core ItemsAdded Ring of Aquila to Core ItemsAdded Ghost Scepter to Situational ItemsRemoved Radiance https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6747 Will be finalizing last checks of hero builds by the end of the week.



This will be the last update/changes made before 6.89/6.90. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Leslie217 Profile Joined November 2016 1 Post Last Edited: 2016-11-12 19:08:06 #6748 just some suggestion:



Naga should go for yasha before ortarine? more movement speed and faster farm



Lich going E or Q first is debatable, E helping in lanes and Q help in rune contest



and should Sven put BKB in extension items instead of core items? going BKB too early may not be a good idea

1. Sven usually goes ahead in networth a lot, so going defensive items too early is not essential because the enemy team may not be that farmed anyway

2. an early BKB means it charges goes away very fast, usually pros nowadays goes bkb as last resort when the disable really hurts them

3. maybe add bloodthon as situational item?



Wraith King I played him a lot, if you go armlet>enco>blademail then your radiance timing maybe really late, should just limit it to 2 items out of 3 only



maybe add ghost scepter to keeper of the light?

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-12 19:21:35 #6749 On November 13 2016 03:48 Leslie217 wrote:

just some suggestion:



Naga should go for yasha before ortarine? more movement speed and faster farm



Lich going E or Q first is debatable, E helping in lanes and Q help in rune contest



and should Sven put BKB in extension items instead of core items? going BKB too early may not be a good idea

1. Sven usually goes ahead in networth a lot, so going defensive items too early is not essential because the enemy team may not be that farmed anyway

2. an early BKB means it charges goes away very fast, usually pros nowadays goes bkb as last resort when the disable really hurts them

3. maybe add bloodthon as situational item?



Wraith King I played him a lot, if you go armlet>enco>blademail then your radiance timing maybe really late, should just limit it to 2 items out of 3 only



maybe add ghost scepter to keeper of the light?



See previous replies, the norm is straight BoT -> Radiance. Yasha is negligible gain when you have BoT to TP necessary lanes and the damage boost from Radiance.



Not debatable. Earlier sacrifice means a faster level 2 and advantage during the initial stage



BKB in Core is a safety measure. For comfortable Sven players, BKB comes a bit too early. Newer players, their efficiency is lackluster.

Bloodthorn is too large of an item to put in Situational Items (Situational typically means to replace any item in Core or a necessary item before you decide in Extension Items).



I can remove Radiance



Ok See previous replies, the norm is straight BoT -> Radiance. Yasha is negligible gain when you have BoT to TP necessary lanes and the damage boost from Radiance.Not debatable. Earlier sacrifice means a faster level 2 and advantage during the initial stageBKB in Core is a safety measure. For comfortable Sven players, BKB comes a bit too early. Newer players, their efficiency is lackluster.Bloodthorn is too large of an item to put in Situational Items (Situational typically means to replace any item in Core or a necessary item before you decide in Extension Items).I can remove RadianceOk https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Belisarius Profile Joined November 2010 Australia 3338 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-12 23:33:03 #6750 Naga should have wind lace instead, though.



You skip casual yasha now because it got replaced by an item that costs peanuts, not because movespeed stopped being valuable.

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6751 I never see Wind Lace bought as a substitute. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

SpiritoftheTunA Profile Joined August 2006 United States 14737 Posts #6752 pros been doin it posting on liquid sites in current year

Birdie Profile Joined August 2007 New Zealand 1895 Posts #6753

- Windlace yasha octarine

- Windlace octarine yasha



Arteezy vods seem to sometimes go windlace yasha octarine, sometimes skips it and goes straight to octo or yasha octo.

Meracle last two naga games: http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2745609384/builds - Windlace yasha octarine http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2760531171/builds - Windlace octarine yashaArteezy vods seem to sometimes go windlace yasha octarine, sometimes skips it and goes straight to octo or yasha octo. Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts Last Edited: 2016-11-13 16:21:30 #6754 Boston Major:

- WG.AJ

- Aui_2000



- VG.J.NoNo Wind Lace



- LGD.Ame

- WG - Ah Fu

- Aui_2000 (2)

- MyPro

- Loda

- MyPro (2)

- Mski.Meracle

- VG.Ghost

- VG.Ghost (2)

- Faceless.Jabz



- Aui_2000 (Offlane 3) Wind Lace after Boots of Travel



- Freedom.Jubei

- Mski.Meracle (2)

- COL.JK





Public Matches (7,000MMR to 5,500MMR)

- VG.R.END

- Pub Player

- coL.Moo

- Pub Player

- < blank >

- Vega.Fng

- Pub Player

- 657

- Pajkatt

- Pub Player

- Pub Player

- Pub Player

- Pub Player

- Pub Player

- Pub Player

- coL.jk

- Pub Player

- Mind



Top 8 Dotabuff:

- Newbee.kpii

- coL.Moo

- Wings.shadow



- F5.rmN Wind Lace



- Secret.MP

- Fnatic.Raven

- 343

- MVP.QO







I would say from the most recent Boston Major, high-level Public Matches across all regions, pro players in public environments and top Dotabuff - very few buy Wind Lace and the one cited that does (Meracle) is not consistent in the purchase.



Not listed in my personal experience and also matches I've been watching live via the Watch tab in-client. http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2743564450 - WG.AJ http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2743037193 - Aui_2000 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2742011320 - VG.J.NoNo http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2741903719 - LGD.Ame http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2741298287 - WG - Ah Fu http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2740785367 - Aui_2000 (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739588641 - MyPro http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739469647 - Loda http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739358610 - MyPro (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2739236684 - Mski.Meracle http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738990460 - VG.Ghost http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738990460 - VG.Ghost (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738932967 - Faceless.Jabz http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738812191 - Aui_2000 (Offlane 3) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2738673858 - Freedom.Jubei http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2737407729 - Mski.Meracle (2) http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2745911794 - COL.JKPublic Matches ( http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2771425904?guide=293d6c - VG.R.END http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2775546997?guide=1ffacb - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2772684617?guide=c08cfe - coL.Moo http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2771538090?guide=b0b8ba - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2770943240?guide=31504b - < blank > http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769424643?guide=52f453 - Vega.Fng http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769902464?guide=92bcad - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2773867971?guide=1cd8c6 - 657 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769299766?guide=fdedd7 - Pajkatt http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2773076443?guide=f5d92c - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2772988506?guide=30e962 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2776120826?guide=d24022 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2767525162?guide=14e80a - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2770706547?guide=3b37ef - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2768747381?guide=980328 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769638110?guide=29f644 - coL.jk http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769479310?guide=0a42a4 - Pub Player http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2767837543?guide=6d59cd - Mind http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2749021386 - Newbee.kpii http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2769338313 - coL.Moo http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2724783008 - Wings.shadow http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2752229422 - F5.rmN http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2756723761 - Secret.MP http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2710859121 - Fnatic.Raven http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2747959392 - 343 http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2774311458 - MVP.QOI would say from the most recent Boston Major, high-level Public Matches across all regions, pro players in public environments and top Dotabuff - very few buy Wind Lace and the one cited that does (Meracle) is not consistent in the purchase.Not listed in my personal experience and also matches I've been watching live via the Watch tab in-client. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

SpiritoftheTunA Profile Joined August 2006 United States 14737 Posts #6755 notably though, a lot of nagas build raindrop



the mana really helps and every time it lets you survive it already pays for itself on that alone



would include raindrop after talon posting on liquid sites in current year

Torte de Lini Profile Joined September 2010 Germany 7680 Posts #6756 Publishing. https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

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cesc Profile Joined April 2011 South Africa 10 Posts #6759 Is there a way to have these guides set as default when loading into a game?



I've been using these since the hero guide system was introduced.



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Pontual Profile Joined October 2016 Brazil 3038 Posts #6760 On November 23 2016 03:06 Torte de Lini wrote: Show nested quote +

On November 23 2016 03:04 Koshi wrote:

Ok I don't understand. How can I load all the guides into DotA?

I see I can subscribe to 1 guide and then it should work. (it is not working in demo)



Where is the Dummy manual to do this? Do I need to click all the guides?



Guides only work in matches (or Lobby matches). They do not work in demo mode.



http://tortedelini.com/dota-2-guide-bookmarklets/



I have a tool to make subscribing to all the guides possible. Just follow the easy steps! Guides only work in matches (or Lobby matches). They do not work in demo mode.I have a tool to make subscribing to all the guides possible. Just follow the easy steps!



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