Modesty00 Profile Joined November 2010 Bulgaria 262 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 02:25:51 #1 Ok. Can you stream savior here or not. If u do ur stream only will go unfeatured or would not be visible at all? A. I. Bots 1x1 https://youtu.be/2iff34KYfMg

Sawamura Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Malaysia 7593 Posts #2 On November 15 2011 11:24 Modesty00 wrote:

Ok. Can you stream savior here or not. If u do ur stream only will go unfeatured or would not be visible at all?



Let me do you a favour , Since the other thread has been closed , I am wondering if I can stream savior streams in tl.net or not and If I do stream will it go unfeatured or it will be invisible to everyone ?



Thanks modesty . Let me do you a favour , Since the other thread has been closed , I am wondering if I can stream savior streams in tl.net or not and If I do stream will it go unfeatured or it will be invisible to everyone ?Thanks modesty . BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..

Modesty00 Profile Joined November 2010 Bulgaria 262 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 02:38:19 #3 10x man. I'm Hoping for some admin to reply. If u can msg some admins... A. I. Bots 1x1 https://youtu.be/2iff34KYfMg

Hot_Bid Profile Blog Joined October 2003 Braavos 36165 Posts #4 No, you cannot restream him.



If you do restream him, do not set your stream to "live" on TL or we may remove your stream. @Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 03:59:12 #5

Seriously this is a terrible decision... Can you tell me who decreed that nobody can stream Savior anymore? Because if it is a one man decision it's ridiculous...

OK the guy did a mistake 4 years ago, but who didnt deserve a second chance?

BW quality content are rare nowadays and a lot of people enjoyed watching his restream.

Please consider removing this rule, this is very cruel as it's the only way for most of us (aka non korean speaker) to watch a zerg (ex)progamer playing. Come on Manifesto, i know you love BW, i really hope you'll change your mind.



Manifesto7 Profile Blog Joined November 2002 Osaka 26237 Posts #6 It wasn't my decision. It was discussed to death in the staff lounge and this was the majority consensus. Moderator @Manifesto7 - Ancient.

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:12:53 #7 TL should consider the community opinion on this. You know that 99% want to see savior play and by closing the thread and move the debate on the feedback forum only very few people is aware of this unfair decision. The TL staff should please the BW community instead of deprive it of one of its last candy because of this very old drama.

L3gendary Profile Joined October 2010 Canada 1460 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:12:55 #8 On November 15 2011 12:08 Hot_Bid wrote:

No, you cannot restream him.



If you do restream him, do not set your stream to "live" on TL or we may remove your stream.



I hate savior for what he's done to the scene and I don't know who doesn't, although some are faster to forgive than others.

But what it comes down to is some of us just want to watch a high level zerg stream. It's not like he's getting ad revenue from the viewers on a restream. If anything it encourages people to find him on afreeca. This isn't punishing savior its only punishing the TL users.



If TL chose not to allow it based on moral grounds then that makes even less sense to me and is almost hypocritical given the article TL published practically praising him. The article was prefaced with "Though Savior seriously undermined the institution of e-Sports through his despicable crimes, we must be able to separate his faults as a human being from his accomplishments as a player." And that's exactly the message im trying to get across here. I hate savior for what he's done to the scene and I don't know who doesn't, although some are faster to forgive than others.But what it comes down to is some of us just want to watch a high level zerg stream. It's not like he's getting ad revenue from the viewers on a restream. If anything it encourages people to find him on afreeca. This isn't punishing savior its only punishing the TL users.If TL chose not to allow it based on moral grounds then that makes even less sense to me and is almost hypocritical given the article TL published practically praising him. The article was prefaced with "Though Savior seriously undermined the institution of e-Sports through his despicable crimes, we must be able to separate his faults as a human being from his accomplishments as a player." And that's exactly the message im trying to get across here. Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon

Pelopidas Profile Joined January 2011 Canada 225 Posts #9 I think Savior restreams should be allowed.



1) He has already been punished severely and will never be able to participate in any kind of professional tournament ever again. He does not need to suffer damnatio memorae.



2) Savior does not really benefit from restreams, and gets no ad revenue. Allowing a third party to essentially leach off his stream doesn't mean that team liquid supports him. It does not need to be announced as a savior restream either.



3) High level Brood War play is hard to come by these days, many people would be interested in watching. We would not watch because we support what Savior did, we would watch because we want to see high level Brood War.





Esports killed Starcraft

Probulous Profile Blog Joined March 2011 Australia 3894 Posts #10 The man was one of the few people that was literally ruining Esports, the less I hear about him the better.



Good riddance and well done to TL for taking a position on this. "Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:49:26 #11 Probulous: what do you know about BW? You registered in march 2011... Savior litterally ruined esport? You dont know what you talking about. If you have an elaborate opinion, even if it's against savior restream, please say it but if you just here to shout clueless statement...

Probulous Profile Blog Joined March 2011 Australia 3894 Posts #12 Thanks for pulling registered rank, it really helps your argument.



I can't stand match-fixing in any of it's form and in any sport. It ruins the legitimacy of the event and puts question marks over every result. If you don't think that has an effect on the credibilty of other players and the games they play, you are naive. Yes, he is one of the few people who has actually damaged the image and reputation of electronic sports. If you want a real world example look at how hard they GOM is coming down on Coca and Byun. This is the result of Savior's actions. I never said he ruined the whole thing, I said and I quote "the man was one of the few people that was literally ruining Esports". If those actions are left unchecked the competition becomes a farce. I don't like what he did and thus I don't want his stuff streamed here.



Besides I entitled to my opinion regardless of when I joined. "Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:31:23 #13 All you said is true and i dont think anyone on this forum will disagree on it. He did the stupidest mistake ever and has paid for it the hardest way possible. He's now banned of all the pro events ad vitam eternam...

Cant we just leave him alone and give him a second chance in his "amateur career", let people restream him and please TL BW fans instead of pointing him as the scapegoat of all esport sins?

Savior is a legend, he's done as much for esport than he did for its extinction. We're quits.



Chill Profile Blog Joined January 2005 Australia 25649 Posts #14 Yes, you can restream him without advertising it on TL and without turning your stream online. That's your second chance for him. The Starcraft community forgives and forgets so easily. Moderator

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:42:12 #15 Yes the starcraft community forgives him and the vast majority of Teamliquid BW forums members want to see him play so why you, the TL staff, are taking a decision against the will of the community?

Chill Profile Blog Joined January 2005 Australia 25649 Posts #16 Because what he did wasn't right and. This isn't a democracy. I don't know why you're so concerned about this - you can view his stream off TL freely. Moderator

Manifesto7 Profile Blog Joined November 2002 Osaka 26237 Posts #17 Just follow the people who will stream savior to get an alert when they are online. Or have them mention it by twitter. That is what I plan to do. Moderator @Manifesto7 - Ancient.

Durak Profile Blog Joined January 2008 Canada 3516 Posts #18 On November 15 2011 14:41 gds wrote:

Yes the starcraft community forgives him and the vast majority of Teamliquid BW forums members want to see him play so why you, the TL staff, are taking a decision against the will of the community?

Your opinion can't change the consensus of the people who run the website. It doesn't matter if your opinion is silently supported by the "vast majority" of members. As Mani said, just follow it off of TL, and then you can relax and stop raising your blood pressure with this crusade. Your opinion can't change the consensus of the people who run the website. It doesn't matter if your opinion is silently supported by the "vast majority" of members. As Mani said, just follow it off of TL, and then you can relax and stop raising your blood pressure with this crusade.

gds Profile Blog Joined February 2007 Iceland 1391 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-15 07:00:27 #19

Also it'll be my last post on this thread as i keep repeating the same things.

And my blood pressure is fine, thanks, i'm totally cool



edit: to answer Manifesto7&Chill, if a bw stream isnt listed on tl the chance to have more than 1 viewer almost equal zero.



User was warned for this post You're wrong, i think the people who run this site usually care about their members opinion, that's why i express my disagreement with this shady move that deprive the community the oportunity to watch a content of quality under a questionable moral guise.Also it'll be my last post on this thread as i keep repeating the same things.And my blood pressure is fine, thanks, i'm totally cooledit: to answer Manifesto7&Chill, if a bw stream isnt listed on tl the chance to have more than 1 viewer almost equal zero.

T.O.P. Profile Blog Joined January 2009 Hong Kong 4684 Posts #20 This isn't as simple as, "We don't like sAviOr, please watch him on another site". There is no other site. TL is the site that broodwar players use to communicate with each other.



At least keep the "Savior plays BW games on Afreeca " thread open so people can post streaming links and the latest vods of sAviOr. Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.

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