Note: This interview was done in the spirit of indigenous people working together and supporting our youth, in accordance with traditional native cultural values. - Francisco Dominguez, Tarahumara.



Chiitaanibah Johnson speaks at CSUS Indigenous Peoples Day Rally on the quad October 12th, 2015. Photo: Francisco Dominguez 2015 Copyright.

Interview with Sacramento State student Chiitaanibah Johnson, Navajo/Maiduby Francisco Dominguez and Dan BacherQ: Explain the events that led to a part time adjunct history teacher, Maury Wiseman, disenrolling you from his class, American History 17A, a requirement at Sacramento State University. This is a controversy that has gained national media attention.A: Wednesday was the second class of the Semester with Professor Wiseman. Wiseman said to the class, “I don’t like to use the word genocide because it implies that [the decimation of American Indians] was on purpose, and most natives were wiped out by European diseases.” (See Johnson's opinion piece in the State Hornet: http://www.statehornet.com/opinion/editorials/native-american-student-at-sac-state-shares-her-story/article_80b5aef2-7891-11e5-b761-3b3a72e543b9.html I didn’t respond at that time because I knew I was too mad and emotional about his comments. I took notes of what he said - and I had to prepare something factual to respond to his comments.One the second day of the class, Wiseman made the point that native people had full agency over their land and were fighting one another over resources, including requickening other Tribes’ children, before Europeans arrived. He said the Europeans didn’t introduce violent relationships – they only just changed the relationships.He was very careful to say that they weren’t savages – that they had intrinsic cultures and societies. This was almost worse – that they were intelligent and were doing this.Q: So when did you speak out in class?A: It was when he talked about, in the context of European exploration, how the Portuguese were “poor, hungry and decimated and how they through ambition, bravery and innovation” made friends on their way along the coast of Africa, down to the Cape and then to India and became one of the wealthiest populations.He glossed over slavery, and at this point, I was thinking that I should raise my hand, since he left the slave trade out of the discussion, instead moving on to talking about the Lateen sails of the Portuguese.I then raised my hand and said I understand the context of exploration and don’t feel that the Portuguese were “brave starving souls with ambition” – and pointed out that he omitted talking about the active decimation they were engaged in in order to attain that wealth.I said I don’t think it’s fair to label the Portuguese as ambitious and brave when they were notorious for their brutality, and he regarded the Iroquois Confederacy as not ambitious and brave. He said that in the course he wasn’t talking yet about the depopulation of the Americas, and began raising his voice.Q: When did he kick you out of the class?A: After the class, Wiseman said, “We’re not going to talk about this. You hijacked my lesson and we're not going to talk about this.”I then pointed out that many of the diseases were weaponized, including the introduction of smallpox to native populations in blankets. I said what happened to native people is NOT an accident.He said, “I appreciate your argument, but you hijacked the last 10 minutes of my class. You made me feel like I was some sort of bigot and racist while I was talking about the Portuguese. This is an argument that people make. I’m not going to tolerate you doing this. I don’t care what scholarship you have. I’m evicting you from this class today.” (I’m not on scholarship.)I said that you can this do this but you have to tell the truth. I then put six packets of articles on the classroom table (for him to read.) I also read to him the United Nations definition of genocide, which includes (1) the deliberate killing of members of a group, (2) causing deliberate harm to members of a group and (3) forced relocation of a group.He said I “won’t tolerate you hijacking my classroom.”He said I was expelled and that he was disenrollling me from the course. This was so immature, in my opinion.Q: How did your story get picked up by the media and how did you respond?A: It was shortly after I was kicked out of his class that Indian Country Today reached out to me. They interviewed me and Frederika (Fraka) Harmsen. Provost and Vice President for Academic Affairs, for a story they published on line on September 6. ( http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/09/06/history-professor-denies-native-genocide-native-student-disagrees-gets-expelled-course I did not know what I was supposed to do at this time. My mom, dad and Cindy Lamarr of Capitol Area Indian Resources met with University President Robert S. Nelsen. His response to us was that he didn’t know what he could do about it. He said his hands were tied. He said he would look into it.After that, I submitted a letter of complaint and I asked multiple times whether it was sufficient to file an investigation. The provost said it was sufficient for filing an investigation. She said I didn’t need do more. (I was later told that I hadn’t filled out the proper documents to file a complaint).The Sacramento Bee then published a story. ( http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article35151201.html ( During this time, we wanted to take the high road.Martina Johnson, Navajo/Dine, Chiitaanibah Johnson’s mother: The Sacramento State President said he would convene some panels in response to this. He asked community Natives at the last minute. The second panel was thrown together at the last minute and there was no plan for it. It was held at the University Multicultural Center.Chiitaanibah: In response to my complaint, the administration said they would appoint a full time ethnic studies professor and one full time Native professor in the History Department. They also said they would set up a Genocide/Holocaust studies minor in the Ethnic Studies Department.(The Sacramento Bee reported on the administration's response in this article: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/education/article38147970.html Q: Has the issue been resolved, in your opinion?A: Wiseman has never apologized for his actions that day.I do appreciate the creation of the Genocide/Holocaust minor. However, nothing was done to hold the professor responsible for his actions toward me. He was not held accountable for his racist statements. Also, the minor should be taught in the History Department, not Ethnic Studies.The administration did hold a panel on “Native American myths and misconceptions,” including Native American professor Brian Baker. We asked if Cindy LaMarr and I could be included, but we weren’t. People who were on the panel were contacted the night before the panel.In the panel, they talked how genocide was happening all over the world. And they made it clear that they weren’t going to talk about Wiseman and the student he disenrolled.A Navajo student who was on the panel claimed the issue was “divisive and we want to be over it.”At the panel, I did not feel like I was being supported, and it wasn't until a woman in the back stood up and asked about what happened before we briefly touched on the subject.When I stood up to assert my story into the panel discussion, Brian Baker asked me, "is this going to be quick? We are trying to go to lunch." He was referring to the lunch provided by the university for this event.What has been the reaction of other teachers and students to this issue?I have received support from both Native and non-Native students in my battle. For example, a biology professor said he was sorry it happened - and that the professor’s conduct was really unprofessional.However, my dance professors said that they were told that they were not allowed to comment on this issue. At the same time, there are professors who are telling students to write about it in their classes!In spite of all this, I still have to go to class every day and I live in the dorms. I’m studying to be a lawyer. I still don’t like how the professor treated me and how CSUS dealt with it. I felt ostracized.Note: Here is the opinion piece from Professor Maury Wiseman explaining his use of the word "genocide" in the same edition of the State Hornet where Chiitaanibah Johnson’s op-ed was published: http://www.statehornet.com/opinion/editorials/sac-state-professor-explains-his-use-of-word-genocide/article_43f2af0c-7895-11e5-a432-cf9948e5a680.html