Klunssila Profile Joined December 2010 United States 219 Posts Last Edited: 2012-07-16 00:28:29 #1 First part:

(NSFW, the rest can be found on the channel)

So apparently this guy "sabineprograms" got contacted in Korea by a man and a woman who said they were North Korean defectors to the south, and wanted to give him a film made in North Korea about western propaganda. They wanted the whole world to see what North Koreans think about westerners. As sabineprograms has said and I myself believe though, most likely they were actually North Korean agents and their objective and this film's objective is to somehow affect the western population. Sabineprograms has been interviewed by the police, and he didn't post videos past part 4 before he talked with his lawyer. You can read the whole thing on the first part's description.



It's a very interesting watch and skillfully done, but you have to take the things with a grain of salt though. It includes much hilariousness such as mocking Kim Kardashian.



The Full film is now available "Propaganda" (2012) (NSFW, the rest can be found on the channel)So apparently this guy "sabineprograms" got contacted in Korea by a man and a woman who said they were North Korean defectors to the south, and wanted to give him a film made in North Korea about western propaganda. They wanted the whole world to see what North Koreans think about westerners. As sabineprograms has said and I myself believe though, most likely they were actually North Korean agents and their objective and this film's objective is to somehow affect the western population. Sabineprograms has been interviewed by the police, and he didn't post videos past part 4 before he talked with his lawyer. You can read the whole thing on the first part's description.It's a very interesting watch and skillfully done, but you have to take the things with a grain of salt though. It includes much hilariousness such as mocking Kim Kardashian.The Full film is now available "Propaganda" (2012)

PhiliBiRD Profile Joined November 2009 United States 2637 Posts Last Edited: 2012-07-12 20:30:48 #2 im only 9 minutes in on the first video, its almost funny but its not because its pretty much all true lol, well, i feel it is to some extent at least.



some of it is pretty funny tho.

ChoRds Profile Joined June 2008 United States 127 Posts #3 a lot of it is true but this kinda shit seems to be made to try and convince north koreans why it's okay that theyre suffering and living like shit 24/7. i'd really like to see if they wanted to go back to north korea after spending 6 months abroad. collosusis

calderon Profile Joined December 2011 95 Posts #4 haha i feel the same i just finished the first part and the most fucked up thing is that a lot of it was quite accurate

alderamin Profile Joined June 2012 80 Posts #5 This can't be for N Koreans. They won't recognize most the stuff in this video.



Our society is very crazy in it's own way and it would be nice if people would realize that for once. Our society is much much less free than we think in different ways than we think. The amounts of ads, manipulations and social pressures are quite significant.



Also, if it were possible and needed to turn our western world into a N Korea, people in power would do it.

Abraxas514 Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Canada 475 Posts #6 The whole premise of the movie is wrong:



In the western world, we have the freedom to choose whether to be slaves to possessions and television, or to educate ourselves and liberate from the blissful existence of ignorance.



It is the civil duty of every voter to research their representatives and vote, and contact the leaders and petition en masse for change. Democracy is something you need to FIGHT for, and you have the RIGHT to fight for it.



Simply put, those morons on Oprah or people who line up to buy the iPad 23 have the right to remain in their little box of stupidity, but those of us who want to actually learn have access to the information, we have rights which protect our ideas and inventions and possessions.



This documentary is trying to convince North Koreans that being ignorant little twats is a western tradition; instead they should watch a documentary on the freedom of information we have here, and the right to protest and opinions. Fear is the mind killer

ensign_lee Profile Joined June 2010 United States 1177 Posts #7 I expected blatant lies. I found...criticisms of society.



Why would this work? I'm confused.



Also, why is this NSFW?

Klunssila Profile Joined December 2010 United States 219 Posts #8 On July 13 2012 05:42 Abraxas514 wrote:

The whole premise of the movie is wrong:



In the western world, we have the freedom to choose whether to be slaves to possessions and television, or to educate ourselves and liberate from the blissful existence of ignorance.



It is the civil duty of every voter to research their representatives and vote, and contact the leaders and petition en masse for change. Democracy is something you need to FIGHT for, and you have the RIGHT to fight for it.



Simply put, those morons on Oprah or people who line up to buy the iPad 23 have the right to remain in their little box of stupidity, but those of us who want to actually learn have access to the information, we have rights which protect our ideas and inventions and possessions.



This documentary is trying to convince North Koreans that being ignorant little twats is a western tradition; instead they should watch a documentary on the freedom of information we have here, and the right to protest and opinions.

I think this is a very hastily made up comment. As I and other people have said, North Korean's are probably not going to see this vid. Also, yes in the west people have the right to be stupid, it doesn't take away from the other points this film makes, such as the U.S interventionist policies in the 21th century. I think this is a very hastily made up comment. As I and other people have said, North Korean's are probably not going to see this vid. Also, yes in the west people have the right to be stupid, it doesn't take away from the other points this film makes, such as the U.S interventionist policies in the 21th century.

Mo0Rauder Profile Joined November 2010 Canada 182 Posts #9 Only watched 5 min, seems silly to me.. Of course we are fed propaganda by our politicians and of course we are all cattle, that's what we have always been LOL! Also the video speaks as if we are the only ones being brainwashed, clearly NK does it as well, they just aren't as good at it as us Westerners. All work or all play? Nive to five? Or, five to nine?

Paperplane Profile Joined March 2011 Netherlands 1672 Posts #10 Pretty ironic they're warning of the brainwashing by the west :D

Flamingo777 Profile Joined October 2010 United States 1142 Posts #11 This movie was actually really well made, and you can tell they spent a lot of time on it. A very thought-provoking piece.

McFeser Profile Joined July 2011 United States 2458 Posts Last Edited: 2012-07-12 21:19:40 #12 On July 13 2012 06:04 Flamingo777 wrote:

This movie was actually really well made, and you can tell they spent a lot of time on it. A very thought-provoking piece.

I'd be really careful when describing anything North Korea produces in positive terms and not tagging it with - "yet they are one of the worst dictatorships in the world". I'd be really careful when describing anything North Korea produces in positive terms and not tagging it with - "yet they are one of the worst dictatorships in the world". Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote

sekritzzz Profile Joined December 2010 1356 Posts Last Edited: 2012-07-12 21:12:50 #13 On July 13 2012 05:42 Abraxas514 wrote:

The whole premise of the movie is wrong:



In the western world, we have the freedom to choose whether to be slaves to possessions and television, or to educate ourselves and liberate from the blissful existence of ignorance.



It is the civil duty of every voter to research their representatives and vote, and contact the leaders and petition en masse for change. Democracy is something you need to FIGHT for, and you have the RIGHT to fight for it.



Simply put, those morons on Oprah or people who line up to buy the iPad 23 have the right to remain in their little box of stupidity, but those of us who want to actually learn have access to the information, we have rights which protect our ideas and inventions and possessions.



This documentary is trying to convince North Koreans that being ignorant little twats is a western tradition; instead they should watch a documentary on the freedom of information we have here, and the right to protest and opinions.

Its funny that you actually think that you have a meaningful say in the affairs of your country because its a "democracy". Democracy by the people, for the corporations. In theory your idea is great and all but the fact of the matter is that most people want to stay ignorant because they are too lazy. The majority of people rather listen and believe gossip or slander campaigns paid by corporations which is what generally wins or loses elections in "democracies". Its funny that you actually think that you have asay in the affairs of your country because its a "democracy". Democracy by the people, for the corporations. In theory your idea is great and all but the fact of the matter is that most peopleto stay ignorant because they are too lazy. The majority of people rather listen and believe gossip or slander campaigns paid by corporations which is what generally wins or loses elections in "democracies".

AnachronisticAnarchy Profile Blog Joined July 2011 United States 2953 Posts #14 These definitely look like propaganda videos for a western audience. The way the videos are written, the things in them, the reasons for using this video for western audiences versus native ones, it just sort of makes more sense for it to be a video for us.

It is interesting looking at that video though. Taking it down to its base components to see what it does and how and why it works. Very interesting video. Very retarded video, of course, but very interesting nontheless. "How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."

saocyn Profile Joined July 2011 United States 422 Posts #15 On July 13 2012 05:42 Abraxas514 wrote:

The whole premise of the movie is wrong:



In the western world, we have the freedom to choose whether to be slaves to possessions and television, or to educate ourselves and liberate from the blissful existence of ignorance.



It is the civil duty of every voter to research their representatives and vote, and contact the leaders and petition en masse for change. Democracy is something you need to FIGHT for, and you have the RIGHT to fight for it.



Simply put, those morons on Oprah or people who line up to buy the iPad 23 have the right to remain in their little box of stupidity, but those of us who want to actually learn have access to the information, we have rights which protect our ideas and inventions and possessions.



This documentary is trying to convince North Koreans that being ignorant little twats is a western tradition; instead they should watch a documentary on the freedom of information we have here, and the right to protest and opinions.



well what's the difference between people who watch oprah, and say for example, a person who watches MLG or GSL?

both of you divulge in entertainment that interest you by a commentator or figure head. well what's the difference between people who watch oprah, and say for example, a person who watches MLG or GSL?both of you divulge in entertainment that interest you by a commentator or figure head.

DannyJ Profile Joined March 2010 United States 5098 Posts #16 They won me over. I'm moving to North Korea.

DeadBull Profile Joined August 2011 420 Posts #17 seems like a very well made (NK) video.

gonna watch it tomorrow

Asol Profile Joined December 2011 Sweden 109 Posts #18 Rather uninteresting movie. Obviously made for people who already have made up their minds, who will use this movie as "evidence" to validate their claims. I'd say that any video regarding the western society that comes out of North Korea, one of the worst dictatorships in the world with a brainwashed population should be viewed with extreme care. What is the goal of this video? Why would they make a video about the western society in N Korea, in what way do they benefit from making this video? Surely they aren't just doing it to be nice guys and try and help the western society, no?



So the reasonable conclusion I can draw is that the movie is made to somehow strengthen the government in North Korea by trying to re-direct people from their own problems (dictatorship etc) by pointing at the western society instead. Quote what?

Conti Profile Joined November 2010 Germany 2514 Posts #19 Are there any reliable sources about this out there? To me it looks too.. western, honestly. The English voice over is done pretty damn professionally for a spontaneous translation, and what I hear really doesn't sound like it would come out of a North Korean documentary. This whole thing seems pretty damn fishy to me, to be honest.

mastergriggy Profile Blog Joined May 2010 United States 1311 Posts #20 I'm pretty sure freedom to buy or be apart of worthless fads is and will always be better than labor camps and living in fear. Write your own song!

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