On his radio show yesterday, Bryan Fischer took a call from a listener who didn’t understand the outcry over Donald Trump’s assertion that abortion should be outlawed and any woman who has an abortion should be punished, pointing out that if you are going to equate abortion with murder, then it makes no sense to say that women should not be held criminally responsible for their actions.

Fischer did his best to explain that this is not a position that most anti-choice groups and activists publicly advocate on the grounds that women who have abortions simply do not know what they are doing and therefore should not be held culpable.

Fischer hopes that once abortion is completely outlawed and we “get the culture to the place where everybody understands that it’s a baby,” then the government could begin to impose legal penalties upon women who have abortions. But as it stands now, Fischer declared, women simply “do not realize how morally culpable they are” when they have an abortion and so they should not be punished.

“They didn’t know better,” Fischer said. “Nobody told them, nobody tried to talk them out of it, nobody explained the humanity of the baby in the womb, so they did not know what they were doing.”

“I realize from a purist standpoint, there should be legal culpability for a woman,” he later admitted. “Maybe some day we can get to that place where that would be accepted and we would actually be able to enact legislation like that.”