Other people familiar with the Trump lawyers' debate said Kushner's presence in the White House created risks that were logical discussion topics for the legal team as it sought to minimize risks for Trump amid a widening investigation by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. The lawyers "would have been dummies" not to consider walling the president off from another person who would become a major subject for the special counsel's investigation, said one person briefed on the discussion. Kushner had met with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and also with an executive from a major Russian bank.