theking1 Profile Joined June 2013 Romania 585 Posts Last Edited: 2013-09-01 15:55:08 #1



Here is a comment from someone on reddit who went to PAX:



I have not been to PAx but a lot of people on the internet are saying that neither sc2 nor dota2 are allowed at PAX and the online online game allowed to be played is League of LegendsHere is a comment from someone on reddit who went to PAX:

I can confirm the very conspicuous lack of Dota 2 at PAX this year. I went both yesterday and today to the PC Freeplay area. On Friday, we were told "There is no Dota 2 because we can't install it". Their reason? "Not enough bandwidth". Note that they have other games such as TF2 installed no problem, and TF2 is a 12.5 GB game, more than twice the size of Dota 2. After giving us this excuse, they told us the same thing that Cyborgmatt had heard separately on his own, "You guys should play League instead, it's a great game."

And they sporadically announce over the intercom at the freeplay area that LoL is having a PAX-double XP event for everyone playing at PAX.

Today I went with Purge and again specifically asked PAX people if I could install Dota 2. The answer back, "League of Legends is the only game allowed to have online play here, all other games are only allowed to be on LAN." The attitude being polite, but very firm and very eager to end the conversation, as if they didn't want to talk about it any more.

sidenote: There is also no SC2 at all, when SC2 has been on PAX freeplay PCs for at least two years now.

to clarify: By "no Dota 2 at PAX" -- we're talking about the complete lack of Dota 2 at the PAX freeplay area, not necessarily the lack of a Dota 2 booth itself on the show floor (that would be up to Valve). But the PC freeplay area had Dota 2 last year, and this year it isn't even allowed to be installed.





link:



http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1lhzhw/lack_of_dota_2_at_pax_players_being_told_they/



In the link provided also purge gamers confirms that dota2 isn't at PAX.



Can anyone at pax confirm the lack of sc2?



Update 1

A user went to PAx and sc2 was being played





link:In the link provided also purge gamers confirms that dota2 isn't at PAX.Can anyone at pax confirm the lack of sc2?Update 1A user went to PAx and sc2 was being played

While I was at PAX Seattle on Friday, I noticed some people playing sc2. I didn't really pay much attention, but I can guarantee it was being played by several people. I thought there may have been a mini tournament or something as there was sc2 matches being shown on televisions above a couple players. Can't really say much for dota2 though. I was mainly interested in other things.







Update from a PAX person:



Update from a PAX person: There's a lot of thought that goes into choosing of the tournaments each PAX. As mentioned, they are designed for fun, as we want to make the PC room a comfortable place for all players, and not intimidating when a crew of pro players wearing sponsored T's show up. Believe it or not, that can be intimidating. On the other hand, we know that the competitive spirit goes hand in hand with gaming, so there is a balance that we try to strike.



Having said that, there are other factors. For instance, which games are being loaded on to the machines, which exhibitors want to sponsor certain tournaments, and then the most important factor, what's the bandwidth usage like. Bandwidth is a tough problem to handle when you have 350+ Freeplay machines and 450+ BYOC machines all operating on the same internet pipe. We've been making huge improvements over the past couple of PAX's by implementing better Steam Proxies, rate limiting actual seats, and just being mindful what games are being played.



Another requirement that we started making a few PAX's ago, for the sake of bandwidth conservation, is that all Freeplay and Tournament games that are played, must have locally install-able servers or sponsored bandwidth. This did cut out a few titles (such as Battlefield 3) that simply didn't offer a local server option. Other companies have in the past opted to sponsor internet. That is why there are a few titles that are popular in the eSports arena that are not being played. It's not that we don't want them, just that we have to ensure that the network experience for both the Freeplayer's and the BYOC users meets expectations.



We do have some eSport titles (like League of Legends) on the Freeplay machines that will be available to play, but no tournament. This is possibly because Riot may do something on their own. If you recall last years Riot Room, (which was freakin' awesome). I don't know if they are doing that again, but you never know. =)



I'm personally looking forward to the QWOP Tournament. I think lots of lawlz will be had! =)



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Update 2



source: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/27572111/#Comment_27572111 Update 2



I just want to let people know that I've been to PAX on Friday and going again today (Sunday). The SC2 section is very small and isn't really a SC2 section. It's a Kingston Hyper X booth with just some small content from some players from EG and dignitas. Suppy, Incontrol, Demuslim and D.SeleCT





Update 3:robertkhoo the show director at PAX has an interesting conversation with somebody on reddit



Update 3:robertkhoo the show director at PAX has an interesting conversation with somebody on reddit

]robertkhoo [score hidden] 58 minutes ago

Hey, this is Robert Khoo from Penny Arcade - the show director to PAX. I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. No amount of money is worth blocking games - besides the fact that it actually hurts the community, it would obviously hurt our relationship with one of our other partners, Valve. (and who doesn't want to have a good relationship with Valve - come on)

The only time we have EVER pulled a game was because of either technical issues (like bandwidth) or content reasons (in PAX Australia, funny enough, it was L4D2 because it's banned over there and we didn't know until the second day. oops.).

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[–]ALL SKILLRayeth [score hidden] 7 minutes ago

Sooo you're saying the bandwidth needed for Dota 2 has magically increased since last year? Or it caused problems last year somehow? Yet all the other valve games work on the same system?

Because these sorts of things look EXACTLY like money-hatting regardless of what you say. Even if there is a good reason, you need to get out ahead of things like this or, well you can see the shitstorm that follows.

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[–]robertkhoo [score hidden] 39 seconds ago

I'll be honest with you, I don't know the exact reason why it was left off, but it certainly wasn't because anyone paid us too. We're actually looking into seeing if we can get them on the machines today since people have been notifying us of a local-server option for it. It really isn't that big of a deal, in truth.







http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1lhzhw/lack_of_dota_2_at_pax_players_being_told_they/cbzlevt



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http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1lij8q/lack_of_dota_2_at_pax_pax_employee_pete_vapok/cbzlaeu





update 4

"I run the PC Room at PAX East, and I've run it at Prime before that a few times -- and I ran the PC Freeplay part of it before I took over the main room. Couple things -- Vapok is an Enforcer, not an employee. Secondly, Riot has literally no say on what we put on or keep off of the PC Freeplay machines with the sole exception of LoL -- we were going to pull it from our repertoire because of its bandwidth requirements until they stepped up to the plate to sponsor the bandwidth.

For the record, I'm also just an Enforcer."





BlackPanther Profile Blog Joined April 2011 United States 871 Posts #2 "League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.

Birdie Profile Blog Joined August 2007 New Zealand 2542 Posts #3 Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash. Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!

Zealously Profile Blog Joined October 2011 East Gorteau 21345 Posts #4 On September 01 2013 18:07 Birdie wrote:

Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash.

Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest Administrator Break the chains

theking1 Profile Joined June 2013 Romania 585 Posts Last Edited: 2013-09-01 09:12:35 #5 On September 01 2013 18:05 BlackPanther wrote:

"League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.



I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot.If I were Valve or Blizzard I would have had my own boycots against anything related to league of legends.Let this tournaments organizers lose all the sc2 and dota2 fans and remain only with league fans(and dota2 probably has more fans for online tournaments than league.And blizzard can boycot them with wow and diablo3 also.Valve could also impose the boycot with their other games such as halflife,cs,tf2). I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot.If I were Valve or Blizzard I would have had my own boycots against anything related to league of legends.Let this tournaments organizers lose all the sc2 and dota2 fans and remain only with league fans(and dota2 probably has more fans for online tournaments than league.And blizzard can boycot them with wow and diablo3 also.Valve could also impose the boycot with their other games such as halflife,cs,tf2).

Inflicted Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Australia 14912 Posts #6 On September 01 2013 18:07 Birdie wrote:

Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash.



Would Riot actually be able to bully out both Valve and Blizzard though...? Would Riot actually be able to bully out both Valve and Blizzard though...? Liquipedia "Expert"

theking1 Profile Joined June 2013 Romania 585 Posts #7 On September 01 2013 18:11 Inflicted_ wrote:

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On September 01 2013 18:07 Birdie wrote:

Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash.



Would Riot actually be able to bully out both Valve and Blizzard though...? Would Riot actually be able to bully out both Valve and Blizzard though...?



if both those companies remain passive about it why not.I haven't seen any retaliation coming form wither valve or blizzard. if both those companies remain passive about it why not.I haven't seen any retaliation coming form wither valve or blizzard.

Talin Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Montenegro 9071 Posts Last Edited: 2013-09-01 09:25:12 #8 On September 01 2013 18:10 theking1 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 01 2013 18:05 BlackPanther wrote:

"League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.



I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot. I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot.



Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.



Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game. Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game.

canikizu Profile Joined September 2010 3341 Posts #9 If Riot pays/sponsors for all the equipment, pcs, bandwidth, then they have the rights to not allow their direct competitor to promote their games on their equipment/pcs. PAX has the rights to refuse Riot's financial aids or ask Valve and Blizzard too.

I don't really see the problem here.



MageSoren Profile Joined April 2010 United States 53 Posts #10 While I was at PAX Seattle on Friday, I noticed some people playing sc2. I didn't really pay much attention, but I can guarantee it was being played by several people. I thought there may have been a mini tournament or something as there was sc2 matches being shown on televisions above a couple players. Can't really say much for dota2 though. I was mainly interested in other things. Hiya!

theking1 Profile Joined June 2013 Romania 585 Posts Last Edited: 2013-09-01 09:31:27 #11 On September 01 2013 18:24 Talin wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 01 2013 18:10 theking1 wrote:

On September 01 2013 18:05 BlackPanther wrote:

"League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.



I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot. I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot.



Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.



Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game. Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game.



@magesoren



k man thanks for the info because if sc2 really is there this would be a misleading thread and i will delete it.but a lot of people are saying sc2 isn't there.I wonder what the truth is ?

@magesorenk man thanks for the info because if sc2 really is there this would be a misleading thread and i will delete it.but a lot of people are saying sc2 isn't there.I wonder what the truth is ?

LimitSEA Profile Blog Joined August 2011 Australia 8265 Posts #12 On September 01 2013 18:09 Zealously wrote:

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On September 01 2013 18:07 Birdie wrote:

Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash.

Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest

Hasn't Riot done things like this historically? Things like asking teams not to pick up Dota 2 teams, and remain LoL only. It's no secret they don't like competition. Hasn't Riot done things like this historically? Things like asking teams not to pick up Dota 2 teams, and remain LoL only. It's no secret they don't like competition. Long live the King of Wings

Cinim Profile Joined April 2011 Denmark 777 Posts #13 On September 01 2013 18:05 BlackPanther wrote:

"League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.



Well, honestly. People keep saying that growth of other Esports are beneficial for everyone, and they couldn't be more wrong. Especially with how the games from LoL vs dota 2/sc2 growth in LoL is probably a negative thing for sc2. One could argue that it helps acceptance of video games as a sport, but honestly people would only see single games as such, if that ever happens.



Especially with RIOT always trying to have monopoly at event, it's quite disgusting. This is not the first time that you get the impression that they want to be alone at tournaments or other events, you see stories about it all the time. It was even confirmed by Dreamhack where RIOT didn't want them to have any dota 2 tournaments and they basicly replied with a "fuck you". Well, honestly. People keep saying that growth of other Esports are beneficial for everyone, and they couldn't be more wrong. Especially with how the games from LoL vs dota 2/sc2 growth in LoL is probably a negative thing for sc2. One could argue that it helps acceptance of video games as a sport, but honestly people would only see single games as such, if that ever happens.Especially with RIOT always trying to have monopoly at event, it's quite disgusting. This is not the first time that you get the impression that they want to be alone at tournaments or other events, you see stories about it all the time. It was even confirmed by Dreamhack where RIOT didn't want them to have any dota 2 tournaments and they basicly replied with a "fuck you". Hell, it's about time

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MageSoren Profile Joined April 2010 United States 53 Posts #15 On September 01 2013 18:29 theking1 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 01 2013 18:24 Talin wrote:

On September 01 2013 18:10 theking1 wrote:

On September 01 2013 18:05 BlackPanther wrote:

"League of Legends helps SC2" - DJ Wheat



Jokes aside (or are they?) that's kinda strange if true.



I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot. I honestly do not understand why valve and blizzard aren't responding to the aggressive business tactics done by riot.



Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.



Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game. Because Riot has the bigger/est game and on top of that is willing to pay extra money to make things like this happen.Even if Blizzard and Valve were willing to match Riot's financial incentives for the organizers, they would still be forcing them to choose between a bigger game and a smaller game. Which is pointless if you're the side with the smaller game.



@magesoren



k man thanks for the info because if sc2 really is there this would be a misleading thread and i will delete it.but a lot of people are saying sc2 isn't there.I wonder what the truth is ?

@magesorenk man thanks for the info because if sc2 really is there this would be a misleading thread and i will delete it.but a lot of people are saying sc2 isn't there.I wonder what the truth is ?



I would assume that there wasn't much people playing sc2. I only noticed just a few. I mean, there were an extremely huge variety of PC games being played, from FPS to RTS to etc. I did remembers seeing quite a lot of LoL games though. I would assume that there wasn't much people playing sc2. I only noticed just a few. I mean, there were an extremely huge variety of PC games being played, from FPS to RTS to etc. I did remembers seeing quite a lot of LoL games though. Hiya!

XaCez Profile Joined May 2010 Sweden 4682 Posts #16 Playing catch-up is a bad idea, Riot knows that and continues to stay a step ahead of the competition when it comes to marketing. Also, I'm certain that Riot isn't going to care a lot about people who're complaining about this, because chances are they have no interest in LoL in the first place. People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.

canikizu Profile Joined September 2010 3341 Posts #17 On September 01 2013 18:32 LimitSEA wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 01 2013 18:09 Zealously wrote:

On September 01 2013 18:07 Birdie wrote:

Not that strange, wouldn't surprise me if Riot paid PAX to only allow LoL on the Freeplay PCs. Good promotion for them, as long as no one finds out and there's no negative backlash.

Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest Yeah I wouldnt put that beyond Riot to be honest

Hasn't Riot done things like this historically? Things like asking teams not to pick up Dota 2 teams, and remain LoL only. It's no secret they don't like competition. Hasn't Riot done things like this historically? Things like asking teams not to pick up Dota 2 teams, and remain LoL only. It's no secret they don't like competition.

Yeah, they did, but they denied though. Although I think it's a gray area really. At that time EG and col don't have a LoL team, and they wanted to pick up a team, but were told that they had to drop other moba teams. On the other hand, Dignitas had a LoL team at that time, and wanted to pick up a Dota2 team, so they contacted Riot and was told to do what they wanted, so Dignitas went and picked up Potm Bottom.

Yeah, they did, but they denied though. Although I think it's a gray area really. At that time EG and col don't have a LoL team, and they wanted to pick up a team, but were told that they had to drop other moba teams. On the other hand, Dignitas had a LoL team at that time, and wanted to pick up a Dota2 team, so they contacted Riot and was told to do what they wanted, so Dignitas went and picked up Potm Bottom.

coverpunch Profile Joined December 2011 United States 2077 Posts #18 Can we close this thread already? It's already been disproven that SC2 was shut out of PAX and the rest of the theking1's statements are imploring Blizzard to retaliate for something that didn't happen.

theking1 Profile Joined June 2013 Romania 585 Posts #19 On September 01 2013 18:52 coverpunch wrote:

Can we close this thread already? It's already been disproven that SC2 was shut out of PAX and the rest of the theking1's statements are imploring Blizzard to retaliate for something that didn't happen.



there are still people saying no sc2 at pax.I am surprised people who are at PAX aren't posting more to clear things up.It would be nice to know what is really going on. there are still people saying no sc2 at pax.I am surprised people who are at PAX aren't posting more to clear things up.It would be nice to know what is really going on.

ACrow Profile Joined October 2011 Germany 6578 Posts Last Edited: 2013-09-01 10:12:52 #20 Wasn't there even a division of EG for funsy games between pros and visitors being commentated by Incontrol? Pretty sure he tweeted about it or said it on ItG.

Either way, we can be pretty sure that LoL/Riot is the reason that Dota isn't there, they are very agressive about other Mobas. Get off my lawn, young punks

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