Interview starts 36:40

Grant Cameron is back in Grimerica to chat about the latest in his interest in UFO’s and Consciousness. Alex Tsakiris, host of Skeptiko joins us as well to ask Grant some difficult questions. We chat about the definition of “downloads”, how everything is consciousness, the difference if any between good and evil if any, the NYT UFO article, and the significance of spiritual practices in this context.

We also get quite deep into a bit of a debate about advanced technology – if there is a secret space program, Ben Rich and Skunkworks, the drip drip drip of slow disclosure and whether the deep state is using this as a tool in their battle. What about the Black Triangles, who or what is piloting those.

Can it all just be consciousness?

In the Intro we talk about the live stream, youtube, support, the new website, and a few little listener synchro’s.

And of course a couple great UFO quotes of the week. We solicit advice for anyone back east that knows a good acupuncturist for a friend of the show, who’s dad has fluid in the lungs. D&D comes up a bit as well.

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