Spoiler Hello again Ness community. I'm here with a sizable update to my guide showcasing movement techniques and some new platform tech. A lot of this stuff goes a bit more in depth than the original guide and is a bit harder to categorize so I've left most of it in it's own section on the bottom. Enjoy!



Changelog:

-Added a new section to MAGNET PLATFORM CANCEL

-Added "Magdrop" section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

-Added "Waveland DJC Platform Mixup section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

-Added "Movement/Movement practice" section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

-Added "Multimag/Magnet Scoot" section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

-Added "Yo-Yo tricks" section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

-Added "Cazcom's Stairway to death" section below "7/22 Update...." Segment

a. Double Jump Cancel

b. Double Jump Cancel Wavedash

c. Ledge Jump Cancel

d. Platform Looping

e. Double Jump Land

a. Turnaround B

b. B-reversal

c. Wavebounce

a. Magnet explanation, use in recovery, baits, and combo extension

b. Magnet Dash

c. Magnet Platform Cancel *updated 7/22!!*

a. Lagless Grounded PKFire

a. Magdrop

b. Waveland DJC Platform Mixup

c. Movement/Movement Practice

d. Multimag/Magnet Scoot

e. Yo-Yo Tricks

f. Cazcom's "Stairway to Death"

Double Jump Shenanigans ​

Turnaround B, B-reversing, Wavebouncing, and you ​

Magnets and how they work

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Something totally useless

Update 7/22 - MPC Revisited:

MPC -> Maggrab: I previously mentioned this in my original post but only now really came to take a look at it. After using MPC you can jump cancel the magnet into a grab (works just like a spacie's shinegrab). Maggrab is safe on shield and a great way to catch an opponent in shield (lest they buffer a roll). MPC -> JC usmash: In general, Mag -> jc usmash is a good defensive option as it quickly throws out two hitboxes that cover Ness' entire hurtbox. It also has offensive uses as mag -> jc usmash will combo at low % on floaties and low/mid % on fast fallers. MPC -> autocancel bair -> F/Dsmash: Okay, yeah, this is pretty technical, but performed correctly it's SO SICK! When you perform an aerial, but land before any actual hitbox comes out, it will autocancel. Autocancel means you can act immediately out of it without having to LCancel. I've talked about this before in my LJC section. GMaster and I were theorizing that at mid % on fastfallers you could MPC -> AC bair -> instant fsmash. It's technically demanding but I've gotten it down in practice (I struggle with it a lot in the video, as we had just discovered it). You can opt for dsmash instead as well for a tech chase, as dsmash covers the entirety of most platforms.

Amazing, but impractical ​

7/22 Update - New platform tech, moving with Ness, yoyo tricks, and more! ​

I really recommend watching the video on this particular segment so you can see some examples of what I do.

Magnet -> jc usmash: I talked about this before in the guide. By performing a magnet and then jump canceling a usmash, Ness can combo opponents with both moves at low %. It is also a good defensive option as it quickly throws out two hitboxes that quickly cover Ness' entire body. Yoyo charge edgeguard: If you've played Ness for any length of time, you've probaby discovered this yourself. When you charge Ness Yoyo next to the ledge, the yoyo will hang off the ledge, and conveniently has a hitbox on it while its charging! If opponents get hit by this when recovering, the light knockback will often send them straight down. This works great against opponents who aren't familiar with the Ness MU as they won't see it coming and probably won't react in time. This is a very good setup for an offstage dair vs. spacies/C.Falcon. IMO this technique works best against opponents with linear recoveries (Ganon, Falcon, etc.) and spacies. Try not to just autopilot and use this technique at the ledge every time. An opponent that is waiting for it can easily react and upB as there is very little hitstun on the charge. It's also a shame to disregard Ness AMAZING offstage edgeguard game and just sit on the stage charging a smash. DJL dsmash: Double jump land dsmash is a great way to cover any tech your opponent makes on a platform due to its range and speed. I talk about this briefly in the video.

Miscellaneous Stuff: ​

Hey everyone! Bryonato here again and today I'll be bringing you a small, informative guide on *most* of Ness' advance techniques and abilities in Project M 3.5. We'll go over the essential stuff like DJC and even the useless things like mpc (magnet platform cancel).I have a series of videos prepared that were recorded live during one of my livestreams at www.twitch.tv/bryonato , so I apologize if they are a bit scattered/unprofessional. Please ask any questions you have about any of these techniques below. Without further ado...Table of contents:1. Double jump shenanigans2. Turnaround B, B-reversing, Wavebouncing, and you3. Magnets and how they worki. MPC -> Maggrabii. MPC -> JC usmashiii. MPC -> AC DJC bair -> f/dsmash4. Amazing, but impractical5. 7/22 Update - New Platform Tech, Moving with Ness, Yo-Yo tricks, and more!6. Misc stuffAn extremely useful technique. DJC allows Ness to cancel the vertical momentum in his second jump with an aerial, allowing for a plethora of different aerial options like djc uair juggles, djc fair/nair for combos, low and tricky djc bairs, and so much more.Ness has interesting properties with his second jump when you have the stick angled diagonal up-left or up-right where he swings in said direction. This, along with things like magnet, b-reversing (covered later) and DJC allows for some seriously weird and unique momentum mixups that can help him weave over and between projectiles find his way in on an opponent with fair and pkfire.This is something I more or less pioneered. As I just mentioned, Ness has unique properties when performing his second jump where he can swing either left or right. When you do a fast djc and get that swing low to the ground, the swing will keep Ness just barely above the ground, allowing you to get extra distance when performing a wavedash.DJC wavedash gives Ness about an extra third of the distance of his normal wavedash when performed correctly. It's a technical AT but if you put the practice in it's a very powerful tool, especially when you start mixing in things like dash forward, djc backward, wd forward.My input for this technique (if performed to the left, just reverse for right) is:->->Shoutouts to @ The_NZA for pioneering this and @ GMaster171 for all the frame data on it.If you've ever played Ness you've probably noticed he has a rather poor ledge game due to his slow second jump. LJC fixes this by allowing Ness to cancel his second jump while retaining ledge invincibility frames. When performed correctly Ness can perform invincible nairs, shields, fairs, dairs, etc. There's footage of me somewhere going right through a Game n Watch upB with this.This next bit isn't covered in the video (I forgot Q_Q), but with LJC you can refresh your invinc. frames very quickly through a pseudo Hax-dash by ledge jumping, double jumping forward asap, and then wavedashing back. Gmaster has footage of this on this board somewhere.While this technique certainly isn't as useful as some of the others I've listed, it certainly has a niche and a place. Platform looping is performed by wavedashing off of a platform, using Ness' swinging double jump to swing back ground, and then wavelanding off the platform again. This, combined with Ness' aerials, allows for some really tricky baits and movement mixups that can really catch your opponent off guard. It also looks flashy, so that helps.Like other characters with DJC, Ness possesses the ability to double jump land. DJL is where you make use of the dip in Ness' second jump to laglessly land on a platform. It should be noted that this is a 1-frame window.This is best utilized IMO in conjunction with his tilts and smashes. DJL -> dsmash is a great way to chase a tech onto a platform and cover most of your opponent's tech options. DJL -> dtilt works wonders as well as dtilt is a godlike move that combo's into nearly everything Ness has.Another theoretical combo is instant DJC dair -> DJL fsmash (though I would be better just to do a bair or uair afterwards).Brawl tech terms, amitie? This is something I see people get confused about CONSTANTLY. The three techniques listed above are not Ness specific, but Ness employs all of them to great use and I think it's necessary to clarify the difference between all of them to help eliminate any confusion between the terms.A turnaround B is where you change the direction you're facing,. It's like when you dash away from an opponent and throw out a retreating pkfire. Simple, really. This was present in Melee, as well.Turnaround pkfire:->->A B-reverse is where you change both the direction you're facingyour momentum. A bit more complicated; this is where you'll be running one direction, press special and then the opposite direction you are facing, and throw out your special move while completely reversing your momentum and going in the opposite direction.B-reverse pkfire:->->->(you have 4 frames to input the reverse direction otherwise it will not work).It's a lot easier to "show" rather than to "tell" with this technique. Wavebouncing is where you reverse your momentumyour direction. It causes you to do a little zig zag motion and is a great mixup/way to bait your opponent into a pkfire. A great use for it is: when you're below a platform, do a fullhop B reverse pkfire. This will allow you to feign an approaching pkfire while allowing you to quickly land safely on the above platform, able to capitalize on your opponent's next move.Wavebounce pkfire:->->->This section won't be quite as organized due to the high amount of small, nuanced things you can do with this ability.In this first video I go over a few of magnets uses as well as a general preface to how the move works. Magnet cancels Ness vertical momentum while extending his horizontal momentum slightly. It comes out on frame 8 and works *similar* to a shine with a hitbox that sends at a 45 degree angle.It can be used during recovery similar to how Lucas uses his by stalling. B-reversing it and wavedashing out works wonders as a bait. The NZA will sometimes just magnet away from someone and wait, and when they come in to chase/approach he just jumps back at them with a djc fair.Magnet also works great as a combo extender at low-mid% when used along with Ness DJC and unique swing on his double jump. It combo's directly into all of his aerials on correct performance. It has a great use along with dair where you can do something like magnet -> dair -> jab reset. Beautiful.This is one of my favorite AT's that Ness has. You'll notice that as your opponent gets to a higher %, magnet's use as far as comboing goes really just kind of goes kaput. Well fear not! Magnet dashing is here to fix that.Magnet dashing is "like a waveshine but a million times cooler." It's performed by short hopping, magnetting as close to the ground as possible, and then wavedashing out.It works best at mid-high % where it can lead into most all of Ness' aerial options including uair and dair kills. Also, while I never recommend this as fair is probably always better, at low % you can dthrow -> mag dash -> regrab. It looks sick, but if you want to dthrow and then regarb, just use djc fair.Magnet dash also works well on fast-fallers like spacies and Roy, Diddy, MK, etc. because it will force a knockdown around 84% on spacies (don't remember the exact numbers on the latter characters) which can lead right into a tech chase djc dair, bthrow, etc. You can also juggle midweights with repeated magnet dashes around 50%. Pointless considering Ness' other options, but it looks cool as hell.discovered by yours truly. When you magnet while jumping up through a platform, if timed correctly you'll appear laglessly in a grounded magnet on the platform. You arguably get more mileage by jumping above the platform and magnetting so you don't have to worry about jumpsquat frames. The only real use I can think of for this technique is doing MPC into a maggrab.Previously considered rather useless, between my own experimentation and brainstorming with a few of my Ness bros we took a second look at this technique and came up with some new tech for it!This technique is honestly pretty amazing, but it's SO HARD TO DO. This is a one frame window:When doing an aerial pkfire, if you hit the ground on the SAME FRAME that Ness' releases the actual projectile, Ness will throw out a grounded pkfire that he can act instantly out of. Theoretically you could do some crazy stuff with this AT but it's really just way too hard IMO. There's no real visual que and you have to rely 100% on muscle memory and timing.Preface: A lot of the tech you'll find here is very situational and a bit more technically demanding than a lot of what I've listed previously. Following will be small things that I've discovered/talked about with others here and there that I simply wanted to share with other people.I'm not sure how much I like this technique having a name, especially since magdrop isn't *technically* what is happening in this technique. Anyways... Magdrop is performed by dropping (or shield dropping) through a platform and then instantly using magnet. After the magnet you djc nair (or any aerial) immediately. If you are fast enough the djc aerial will place you back on the platform you just dropped through. This has great theoretical uses for combos/shield pressure. There is also a window in this technique where you can drop -> magnet -> double jump land. I can't do it consistently but it's very, very cool.When you WL off a platform, if you instantly do a neutral djc aerial (djc without holding the stick left or right to influence the swing) the momentum from the double jump will land you right back on the platform you just wavelanded off of. It's a small little mindgame that could theoretically be effective as a bait or even to chase a tech to the left/right side of the platform.People always compliment me on my movement with Ness and ask me how to get better with theirs. Honestly, the best way to practice movement tech imo is just to grind. Spend time in training mode on battlefield and experiment with different things you can do with platform looping, b reverse magnets, dj -> wavelands, etc. etc. Ness has a plethora of unique movement options.When you spend time grinding and practicing things like this, you'll find ways to apply it when you're actually fighting someone and ways to apply it on different platforms/stages. Developing your tech skill and just understanding your options at any given moment is very important. If you want some hard tech to try:DJC wave-magnet: grounded magnet -> djc wavedash -> repeat.B reverse platform looping: WL off platform -> magnet -> (turn around in magnet if necessary) -> b reverse magnet -> double jump back through platform -> repeat.Platform swinging: On any stage with a platform on either side - WL off one platform -> double jump through opposite platform -> WL off that platform -> repeat. I often throw a magnet/b reverse magnet in between plats during this.MPC DJC wavedash platform loop: Magnet platform cancel -> djc waveland off platform -> double jump back through platform -> MPC and so on. If you want to increase button inputs do the B reverse I mentioned earlier after the waveland.Relatively unused tech. I am unsure if any of these are very good considering how good magnet is. If you know what a multishine is then you know what multimagnet is. Multimag is a grounded magnet, jumping, and then throwing out a magnet again before your feet leave the ground. Again, same idea as a multishine.Magnet scooting is performed by holding your stick like thisand then doing a multimags. You will "scoot" across the ground while doing multimags. It's pretty funny looking!Ness USmash/DSmash have some unique properties that can be exploited.One thing I forgot to mention in the video is a janky little thing Ness can do on Skyloft. If you walk to the slant on the far left side of the stage underneath the platform, try facing the ledge and dsmashing. The dsmash will go right through the stage and give you a free, safe edgeguard in most situations.This is a really cool specific technique Ness has on spacies discovered (and shown to me) by Cazcom, a really good Ness main from Western WA. When you get a spacie offstage, if spaced/timed correctly you can magnet right next to them, let magnet drop (without jumping), and then at that point you *should* be right next to the spacie again, where you can magnet again, and repeat till they die. IT'S SOOO COOL! WATCH THE VIDEO!During the remainder of my livestream I answered questions with chat and talked about different techniques and combinations of certain techniques and how Ness can use them. There's a lot of good footage there that I don't want to go to waste, but it's rather sporadic so instead of making YT vids for all of them I'm going to link directly to their spot in the stream archive here.Thank you all for reading and watching! I had a lot of fun creating this. Hope I didn't forget anything.