What kind of relationship did you have with the leaders of the [prison gang terrorist group 'Primeiro Comando da Capital' or 'First Command of the Capital'] 'PCC'?

Actually, when we started our work there, PCC didn't have that much power. After some time, they came in and we had to start negotiating again. Since we got there before they did, they had heard about us and knew that we weren't bad, but it was pretty nerve-wracking trying to deal with them. We weren't able to work for a few months until we got their endorsement. But after that, things became even more relaxed than they were before.

There was one interesting situation. We had already gotten that endorsement and one day I took pictures all throughout Pavilion Eight—[but] then one of the guys didn't let me take photos of one of the levels. As I was leaving, the big boss asked me if everything had gone well and I mentioned that one guy didn't let me take pictures in one area, but that it wasn't a big deal. The big boss freaked out, told someone to get the guy, yelled at him in front of me and even asked the guy to become my assistant. "Now, you will be giving him a hand. Anything he wants, you will do," the big boss told the guy. That guy became my friend later on. [_Laughs_]