anu_d wrote: Hi Lynn...thx....I have read when there is a mesh of excessive lines on a hand it is a water hand....it could be perfect or a mix type water hand.



if the shape is square ( earthy) then such a hand with mesh of excessive lines all over would be a perfect water hand.

however if the shape is fire like...as you pointed then it would be a mixed fire-water type.

what do you think ?

Regards---a_D

hi anu,Ok I understand, but I guess maybe that was written by someone who didn't study 5 element chirology - do you remember where you read it? when we talk about "water hand" we usually mean handshape (hence sorry I misunderstood you). But everything on the hand can be 'ruled by' an element. Mesh of very fine lines is often found on water shape hands, but excessive mesh of lines can be found on other handshapes too (as Ravel). and then we have to look at quality of the lines by width, shape, markings, then there's the fingerprints etc etc, all aspects adding another piece of the element jigsaw! It would be very unusual to find an earth shape hand with a water mesh of lines. A "perfect water hand" would be one where water features predominate eg water shape with loop fingerprints, fine wavy lines, lots of markings, headline to luna, silk skin, long narrow fingernails, curved heartline, maybe extended relationship line, double heartline or GOV, large water quadrant (luna area) etc etc.With Ravel, altho fire handshape I think his lines are more air type mesh of lines - they are not watery width or form, so I think he was more intellectual than emotional. plus his 'lollipop fingers = air, + air dominant simian variant as you pointed out. All hands are a mix of all the elements, but usually two elements predominate as stronger in our personalities.As we (I) are digressing from Ravel's hand, maybe we should take this discussion over to 5-element subforum? Just PM me if you'd like to discuss more about elements & hands & I will copy this over. feel free to ask & discuss more about elements over there.by the way, whatever the element possibilities in Ravel's hand, I agree with your comment about him having "a complex creative personality".