If you've got any ideas for a better forum, let me know. MtGox is one of the largest public faces of the code being developed here. If the public perception is that this is a bitcoin protocol flaw, then we need some damned strong and compelling public arguments about why it ain't so. But after some thought, that's not the critical issue I want to raise on this list. If something about the implementation, the protocol, of bitcoin-qt or bitcoind makes it easy for an attacker to mutate transactions and hard for an 'end-user' such as MtGox to confirm payments, then we've got a fundamental user-interface flaw. We can get all indignant about RTFM or telling the users they are idiots, but that's not really going to be good for long-term adoption and use. My opinion is part of the development process should be to react to public perceptions of how the code is being used (and mis-used), and how the market is being manipulated, and try to improve it so the whole system is stable, predictable, and friendly to users. On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 01:45:58PM -0500, Jameson Lopp wrote: > You have plenty of good points, but they are not relevant to this mailing list. I suggest you take them elsewhere. > -- > Jameson Lopp > Software Engineer > Bronto Software, Inc > > On 02/10/2014 01:25 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:45:03AM -0800, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@...> wrote: > >>> Name me one single person with commit access to the bitcoin github repository > >>> who is *independent* of any venture capital or other 'investment' connections. > >> > >> I am, unless you count the fact that I own some Bitcoin and some > >> mining hardware as "'investment' connections" (and that case your > >> comments are worthless). > >> > >> (By not naming anyone else I don't mean to imply there are no others, > >> but I don't want to speak for anyone else. Nor would I necessarily > >> expect the other part(ies|y) to step forward, since this mostly > >> appears to be an invitation to step up and be attacked.) > > > > Thank you. > > > > I also appreciate your commentary[1], and willingness to list your investment > > position. What I'm concerned about are people who have signed non-disclosure > > agreements or who's salary/equity/whatever depend on people who are experts > > at manipulating markets to take naive investors money. > > > > Independent is also a state of mind as much as it is about financial connections. > > > > What pisses me off here is that a huge amount of wealth just changed hands based > > on MtGox's press release, and it stinks of insider trading. I still maintain the > > best outcome would be for MtGox to AGPLv3 release their code, and then those of > > us that understand it would be able to have a public technical discussion about > > how to fix it, and MtGox would still maintain their intellectual property > > ownership position. > > > > This, however, cuts off a significant revenue stream for people who take money > > making market bets 5 minutes before the information goes public, so I expect > > the likelyhood of such an outbreak of sanity is quite low. > > > > [1] http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/ > > > > > > DISCLAIMER: I have a significant emotional investment in copyleft/viral copyright > > development models, and I expect to take a lot of money charging people to write > > code I give away for free. I also occasionally make money from cryptocurrency > > mining, but only when I can sell it in functional and transparent markets. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Android™ apps run on BlackBerry®10 > > Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. > > Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. > > Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. > > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > > _______________________________________________ > > Bitcoin-development mailing list > > Bitcoin-development@... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Androi apps run on BlackBerry 10 > Introducing the new BlackBerry 10.2.1 Runtime for Android apps. > Now with support for Jelly Bean, Bluetooth, Mapview and more. > Get your Android app in front of a whole new audience. Start now. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=124407151&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development