Dana Loesch appeared on CNN’s Tonight with Don Lemon Tuesday to talk about, among other things, firearms in America. “There is something wrong with people's hearts when they want to go out and mass murder people,” she said to Lemon explaining the real issue behind mass shootings, “They are not going to be put off of committing that crime by just a simple gun law.”

Don Lemon was still uneasy about, what he perceived to be, “assault weapons” being available to the public. “But you don't think even the types of guns that should be available, you don't think that should be limited? Or some limitation,” Lemon asked of Loesch.

She told Lemon that because of the, “National Firearms Act, you can't go out and just purchase a fully automatic firearm.” She went into detail discussing how the term “assault rifle” is misused in the current gun debate. And it was understandable for people to be put off by the AR-15’s appearance, “It just looks dangerous because it's all black and has a scope and things on it that people don't know what they are, and they think it looks aggressive.”

Only 1.4 percent of crimes are committed using rifles Loesch stated. She argued that crimes committed with handguns vastly outnumber crimes with the AR-15. “It's the media saturation though about these tragedies that everyone thinks that these rifles and crimes with them, that's more prevalent,” Loesch said.

But fellow guest Bakari Sellers wasn’t a fan of Loesch’s position. Sellers tried to argue that, even though he is a gun owner, he has never known a person to use an AR-15 for protecting their home. He also claimed that anyone could walk into a gun store, buy a gun, and kill people in a church like in Charleston, South Carolina.

There was only one problem with that claim, as Loesch pointed out, “James Comey, the Director of the FBI came out and said, “you know what, we screwed up. It was an error on our part and if we had not made this error he wouldn't have been able to get the firearms.”” Leosch went on to point out how law enforcement had missed chances to stop most of the recent mass shootings. Eventually declaring, “Here’s the problem, criminals are always going to have guns. That's not good enough argument to take mine from me and I want to defend myself.”

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