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Re: Esperanto



Years ago I learned Esperanto and became reasonably fluent, still am and occasionally have a look at some material or listen to the silly Radio China program for maintainance but frankly it makes me feel sick after what I saw and understood in my dealings with them.



To cut a long story short, is one more piece of Jewish deception, designed to advance Jewish interests while posing as humanism. The secret goal was to diffuminate national identities of other people, fight "racism" and blah blah, so that Jews could be safer. I suffered on my own flesh this deception when I tried to make a call in favour of the supposed neutrality of the movement when someone in a forum opened a thread saying his hating Hitler led him to Esperanto and he was proud to be Jewish, gay and what not. My post was furiously and instantly deleted and funny things happened.



A communist used to chat when I say I had other views and the esperanto community should not be used to indoctrinate people about anything, as it is officially neutral -LIE- and nasty things happened. Its a tiring sick story. Actually I thought to e-mail prof. Kevin MacDonalds in case he could be interested to have a look at one more movement designed by Jews to advance their interests while difusing other's identities. It is a long story, the beginning of the research is:



Esperanto



against the background of



http://www.prometheism.net/library/C...OfCritique.pdf



I dont mean you have to read this. Trust me, what a con. I will carry this pain in my heart for ever, for I really believed, I really dreamed, I really geneoursly devoted time of my life to something I thought was honest, only to find I was deceived by a Jewish rat, posing to have humanist universal goody intentions when he had nothing but selfishness and ethnocentrism. Lets move on, because my stomach is turned as I write. Feel free to ask me anything.



Here the deceiver son of a bitch:









Just bare in mind Esperanto promotes internationalism, race mixing, liberalism, PC ness, and the like, fully mind control and manipulation we are used to, and you will be rejected by the community if you dont comply. Period.



Second point I wanted to make is that, as all things "having bad karma", as I use to say, it is a complete failure. You will read that so many thousands and even millions know the language: believe me, it is a lie. I have been in the community and I tell you after 8 years you find the same few stupid people in the hardly one chat room in existence. What is going on in the community is always rather stupid about the language itself or rather pathetic meetings where a few old people waste time over nothing. Sure there are always a few newcomers but after some time, most learners get bored and very few go beyond the basic level. Even accomplished writers eventually leave the movement due to disagreements and inner contradictions, for example Spaniard Camacho. Some voices within the movement are recognizing the imposibility of a world language, due to the language-culture connection. Mind this: we wouldnt have that problem: we do think similarly, we do have things in common, we do really need a language. Lets leave it there.



Third point, the supposed goal of it is to become universal, and we need something for our community, which allows to develop supra-White subcultural little worlds, feeling of belonging, etc, with a language which is 100% European, in construction, spirit, origin, and goals. So Esperanto wouldnt do in a million years. Period.



Fourth point, the question of a neutral language for White Nationalists is an interesting topic and I have read with interest several old post in SF about it. I dont know if this is the thread or the time for relatively trivial matters, but, basically:



- It is no use saying Patriota Siculo I am so used to languages everybody do as I do: other dont have the background, the time, the will, we need something easy and accessible for all, and neutral so that nobody has clear advantage; also I tell you from experience it is very different linguistic experience to talk a language spoken natively by none in the community, on an "equal basis" - this is the only respect I am equalitarian -, and speaking or typing English. It feels like little children teaching to each other to talk, creating the language as one goes.



- the idea that a simplified constructed language spectacularly reduces the time to learn the basics and communicate in a simple form is sound and it works, I am a linguist who learned Esperanto and other natural languages and can assure you that is true from first-hand comparison; Esperanto = only contructed language in use or usable is NOT true, it doesnt identify with the wider topic of a common neutral language chosen by a community; there are plenty options for us to choose from



- many here and some WN authors have defended Latin as the best option; it surely is a magnificent choice, with brutal 2000+ history and equally the language of pagans, Christians, Middle Ages, Renaissance, learnt from Spain to Russia and so uniting all, and actual use as lingua franca by European scholars and religious people when the language was already dead as a living language,

to understand why those who think this in a way are right, listen a few seconds here at 11:10 : [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOFnYgyRr8&feature=related"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOFnYgyRr8&feature=related [/ame]



also there is a plethora of free materials, community of speakers and chat at



BUT



often it is retorted that is too difficult for most people, and frankly, after thinking how I could adapt and teach this kind of materials



FRANKLY: being realist, they are right, IT WOULD NEVER REALLY TAKE OFF



so, lastly, upon reading this thread, I set out to see what would be left in the menu for those of us interested in this rather eccentric purpose of finding and cultivating a WN language, (REMEMBER THE CONDITIONS:



- NEUTRAL, NATIVE TO NONE

- STRICTLY EUROPEAN : I watched out for languages which were critized since creation as being too European to become universal, and that is the case of the conclusion below

- EASY AND QUICK TO LEARN BY EUROPEANS

- FREE GRAMMARS, DICTIONARIES AND READING STORIES READILY AVAILABLE ON-LINE

- PREFERABLY HAVING A COMMUNITY OF SPEAKERS SO THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND ASK FOR HELP ( although probably they will be startled to know that the language has been adopted by WNist as community language)



in Wiki-mindcontrol-pedia we have:



List of constructed languages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



from my cursory going over the menu and searching for readily available learning materials, and keeping in mind conditions, I came to the conclusion that our WN neutral language should be:



OCCIDENTAL aka INTERLIGUE (not to be confused with "interlingua"), with some competition from Novial, Glosa and Interlingua.



Good page for background:



The Joy of Languages: Occidental (Interlingue): community alive and resources available!



I am going to try to contact people who contributed to threads on the language issue and see if, in spite of the time we are living, someone is up to the challenge:



LEARN OCCIDENTAL, OR ONE OF THE OTHERS IF THEY WIN AFTER DISCUSSION, AND START USING IT AMONG US HERE AT SF



TRUST ME, IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT, AND GOOD FUN

ANYONE???????? Uff, I am sorry I missed this thread. I have a lot to say, I dont know where to start.Years ago I learned Esperanto and became reasonably fluent, still am and occasionally have a look at some material or listen to the silly Radio China program for maintainance but frankly it makes me feel sick after what I saw and understood in my dealings with them.To cut a long story short, is one more piece of Jewish deception, designed to advance Jewish interests while posing as humanism. The secret goal was to diffuminate national identities of other people, fight "racism" and blah blah, so that Jews could be safer. I suffered on my own flesh this deception when I tried to make a call in favour of the supposed neutrality of the movement when someone in a forum opened a thread saying his hating Hitler led him to Esperanto and he was proud to be Jewish, gay and what not. My post was furiously and instantly deleted and funny things happened.A communist used to chat when I say I had other views and the esperanto community should not be used to indoctrinate people about anything, as it is officially neutral -LIE- and nasty things happened. Its a tiring sick story. Actually I thought to e-mail prof. Kevin MacDonalds in case he could be interested to have a look at one more movement designed by Jews to advance their interests while difusing other's identities. It is a long story, the beginning of the research is:against the background ofI dont mean you have to read this. Trust me, what a con. I will carry this pain in my heart for ever, for I really believed, I really dreamed, I really geneoursly devoted time of my life to something I thought was honest, only to find I was deceived by a Jewish rat, posing to have humanist universal goody intentions when he had nothing but selfishness and ethnocentrism. Lets move on, because my stomach is turned as I write. Feel free to ask me anything.Here the deceiver son of a bitch:Just bare in mind Esperanto promotes internationalism, race mixing, liberalism, PC ness, and the like, fully mind control and manipulation we are used to, and you will be rejected by the community if you dont comply. Period.Second point I wanted to make is that, as all things "having bad karma", as I use to say, it is a complete failure. You will read that so many thousands and even millions know the language: believe me, it is a lie. I have been in the community and I tell you after 8 years you find the same few stupid people in the hardly one chat room in existence. What is going on in the community is always rather stupid about the language itself or rather pathetic meetings where a few old people waste time over nothing. Sure there are always a few newcomers but after some time, most learners get bored and very few go beyond the basic level. Even accomplished writers eventually leave the movement due to disagreements and inner contradictions, for example Spaniard Camacho. Some voices within the movement are recognizing the imposibility of a world language, due to the language-culture connection. Mind this: we wouldnt have that problem: we do think similarly, we do have things in common, we do really need a language. Lets leave it there.Third point, the supposed goal of it is to become universal, and we need something for our community, which allows to develop supra-White subcultural little worlds, feeling of belonging, etc, with a language which is 100% European, in construction, spirit, origin, and goals. So Esperanto wouldnt do in a million years. Period.Fourth point, the question of a neutral language for White Nationalists is an interesting topic and I have read with interest several old post in SF about it. I dont know if this is the thread or the time for relatively trivial matters, but, basically:- It is no use saying Patriota Siculo I am so used to languages everybody do as I do: other dont have the background, the time, the will, we need something easy and accessible for all, and neutral so that nobody has clear advantage; also I tell you from experience it is very different linguistic experience to talk a language spoken natively by none in the community, on an "equal basis" - this is the only respect I am equalitarian-, and speaking or typing English. It feels like little children teaching to each other to talk, creating the language as one goes.- the idea that a simplified constructed language spectacularly reduces the time to learn the basics and communicate in a simple form is sound and it works, I am a linguist who learned Esperanto and other natural languages and can assure you that is true from first-hand comparison; Esperanto = only contructed language in use or usable is NOT true, it doesnt identify with the wider topic of a common neutral language chosen by a community; there are plenty options for us to choose from- many here and some WN authors have defended Latin as the best option; it surely is a magnificent choice, with brutal 2000+ history and equally the language of pagans, Christians, Middle Ages, Renaissance, learnt from Spain to Russia and so uniting all, and actual use as lingua franca by European scholars and religious people when the language was already dead as a living language,to understand why those who think this in a way are right, listen a few seconds here at 11:10 : [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqOFnYgyRr8&feature=related"][/ame]also there is a plethora of free materials, community of speakers and chat at SCHOLA - Cum errare humanum sit, ne timueritis scribere, metu errandi permoti. BUToften it is retorted that is too difficult for most people, and frankly, after thinking how I could adapt and teach this kind of materials http://www.johnpiazza.net/colloquia_...na_draft_1.pdf for the purpose of creating a WN subculture in simplified Latin, and musing about pronunciation models and stuffFRANKLY: being realist, they are right, IT WOULD NEVER REALLY TAKE OFFso, lastly, upon reading this thread, I set out to see what would be left in the menu for those of us interested in this rather eccentric purpose of finding and cultivating a WN language, (REMEMBER THE CONDITIONS:- NEUTRAL, NATIVE TO NONE- STRICTLY EUROPEAN : I watched out for languages which were critized since creation as being too European to become universal, and that is the case of the conclusion below- EASY AND QUICK TO LEARN BY EUROPEANS- FREE GRAMMARS, DICTIONARIES AND READING STORIES READILY AVAILABLE ON-LINE- PREFERABLY HAVING A COMMUNITY OF SPEAKERS SO THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND ASK FOR HELP ( although probably they will be startled to know that the language has been adopted by WNist as community language)in Wiki-mindcontrol-pedia we have:from my cursory going over the menu and searching for readily available learning materials, and keeping in mind conditions, I came to the conclusion that our WN neutral language should be:(not to be confused with "interlingua"), with some competition from Novial, Glosa and Interlingua.Good page for background:I am going to try to contact people who contributed to threads on the language issue and see if, in spite of the time we are living, someone is up to the challenge:TRUST ME, IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT, AND GOOD FUNANYONE????????