In this episode we interview John and Brooke McLay. John served for 14 years as an employee of the LDS Church Education System (CES). In this capacity he served as: a seminary teacher and principal, an institute teacher and director, a BYU Education Week speaker and an EFY Director. John also served as a member of a stake high council, and was serving in a bishopric during the months leading up to his decision to leave the LDS Church. John and Brooke resigned their membership of the LDS Church in August of 2011. This is their story.

Part 1: Growing up in the LDS Church and Serving as an LDS CES Seminary and Institute Teacher



Part 2: Ceasing to Believe in the LDS Church as a CES Seminary and Institute Teacher



Part 3: The Decision to Resign from the LDS Church as a CES Seminary and Institute Teacher



Part 4: How the LDS Church Education System (CES) Harms the Church and Its Members

