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I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.



My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.



I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.



ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.



MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.



Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.



If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.



MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.



MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.



Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.



Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.



If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.



If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--



As ugly as this is...it is the truth.





I'm going to drop some truth bombs here. There are going to be a lot of butt hurt cops and LE on here...but that's because they love LE more than they love the Constitution. It is a tough job--no doubt--but there is no excuse for what goes on.I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--As ugly as this is...it is the truth.

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05/03/2017 11:59 AM

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Such as ?



I got the cops called on me on the highway one time b/c I was tailgating another driver.

AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM:



KICKING ASS, KILLING NAZIS, KILLING COMMIES, MAKING BABIES, BUILDING CITIES, EXPLORING SPACE, GOING TO THE MOON, AND PUTTING THE "CIVIL" IN CIVILIZATION SINCE 1776!



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But I tell you this man, I tell you this, I carry an aura of "fuck you" everywhere I go and while I may not cause scenes I can sure as hell continue them and escalate them but good.



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There is going to be a second revolution folks.



Count on it - and it will be the citizens against the government.



It will be damn bloody. It will be a war of attrition. It will result in over 100 million dead.



The heavy handedness of the government - the fascists in code enforcement and animal control especially - have brought this upon themselves. Do you also believe some of the fatigue is due to people calling the cops for stupid crap ?Such as ?I got the cops called on me on the highway one time b/c I was tailgating another driver.

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Such as ?



I got the cops called on me on the highway one time b/c I was tailgating another driver.

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We certainly had that...we were called once by a guy who was drunk and said..."I was sitting on my front porch and I looked over at my neighbor's house...and there was his dog sitting on the porch GIVING ME THE FINGER". He called us because he thought his neighbors dog was giving him the finger.



But, in general, no it is not fatigue, physical or emotional. We were specifically taught how to violate someone's 4th amendment rights, how to coerce confessions, "creative" police report writing, how to establish bogus probable cause.



Here are the most frequent traffic violations (and they are violations) cops use to establish probable cause to stop someone in order to do some sort of other investigation decided upon by profiling:



--Following to closely (almost everyone violates this)

--License Plate light not functioning

--Failing to signal while changing lanes (if a cop is behind you for a while on the interstate, he is waiting for you to do this as he wants probably cause to stop you)

--Obstructed driver's view-something hanging from rear view mirror or on dashboard.



We were also taught "the more they talk, the more you write". Meaning, if you stop someone and you are going to give them two tickets--if they mouth off, give them three...if they keep mouthing, write 4-5--hoping at least 3 tickets will stick in court which in our state means your driver's license is suspended....and then make sure you show up for traffic court to secure a conviction...if only two tickets stick...get them for one more violation in the 12 month period if you can so that their license in suspended.



I was with a partner once and we were on the interstate...dude in an oncoming car flipped him off...he sped up, turned around, then went about 120mph, to catch the guy...ended up pulling him over and writing him for "following too closely". We certainly had that...we were called once by a guy who was drunk and said..."I was sitting on my front porch and I looked over at my neighbor's house...and there was his dog sitting on the porch GIVING ME THE FINGER". He called us because he thought his neighbors dog was giving him the finger.But, in general, no it is not fatigue, physical or emotional. We were specifically taught how to violate someone's 4th amendment rights, how to coerce confessions, "creative" police report writing, how to establish bogus probable cause.Here are the most frequent traffic violations (and they are violations) cops use to establish probable cause to stop someone in order to do some sort of other investigation decided upon by profiling:--Following to closely (almost everyone violates this)--License Plate light not functioning--Failing to signal while changing lanes (if a cop is behind you for a while on the interstate, he is waiting for you to do this as he wants probably cause to stop you)--Obstructed driver's view-something hanging from rear view mirror or on dashboard.We were also taught "the more they talk, the more you write". Meaning, if you stop someone and you are going to give them two tickets--if they mouth off, give them three...if they keep mouthing, write 4-5--hoping at least 3 tickets will stick in court which in our state means your driver's license is suspended....and then make sure you show up for traffic court to secure a conviction...if only two tickets stick...get them for one more violation in the 12 month period if you can so that their license in suspended.I was with a partner once and we were on the interstate...dude in an oncoming car flipped him off...he sped up, turned around, then went about 120mph, to catch the guy...ended up pulling him over and writing him for "following too closely".

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Report Copyright Violation Re: Why my spouse and I left Law Enforcement. What you need to know. I don't know. With all due respect, I'm suspect when there are universal statements, like the one that stated any cop who claims he supports the Second Amendment is lying. I know that's not the truth. I see more cops that respect my right to own and carry than those who don't.



But then I'm a middle aged white guy. I don't know. With all due respect, I'm suspect when there are universal statements, like the one that stated any cop who claims he supports the Second Amendment is lying. I know that's not the truth. I see more cops that respect my right to own and carry than those who don't.But then I'm a middle aged white guy.

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I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.



My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.



I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.



ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.



MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.



Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.



If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.



MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.



MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.



Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.



Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.



If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.



If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--



As ugly as this is...it is the truth.







I'm going to drop some truth bombs here. There are going to be a lot of butt hurt cops and LE on here...but that's because they love LE more than they love the Constitution. It is a tough job--no doubt--but there is no excuse for what goes on.I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--As ugly as this is...it is the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73617901



Post some pics w your badge # redacted or something.

If what you say is true, why did you do nothing?

There's a 95% chance you are a candy ass uniparty tory. Post some pics w your badge # redacted or something.If what you say is true, why did you do nothing?

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When my spouse and I were in, a college degree was required. This caused a problem because this meant they were getting educated people on the force..people who perhaps had taken Constitutional Law classes, psychology classes, etc., and could see the problems and were speaking up. The solution was to lower the standards and to eliminate the college requirement. Now, unless you are going to work for a federal LE agency, most police departments don't require more than a HS diploma or GED....these people are more likely to follow orders and not question the Constitutionality of things. They are also more likely to follow the example of corrupt cops as they start idolizing them. They are simply not as capable of free thought and definitely not mature enough to question "authority". When my spouse and I were in, a college degree was required. This caused a problem because this meant they were getting educated people on the force..people who perhaps had taken Constitutional Law classes, psychology classes, etc., and could see the problems and were speaking up. The solution was to lower the standards and to eliminate the college requirement. Now, unless you are going to work for a federal LE agency, most police departments don't require more than a HS diploma or GED....these people are more likely to follow orders and not question the Constitutionality of things. They are also more likely to follow the example of corrupt cops as they start idolizing them. They are simply not as capable of free thought and definitely not mature enough to question "authority".

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I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.



My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.



I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.



ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.



MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.



Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.



If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.



MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.



MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.



Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.



Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.



If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.



If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--



As ugly as this is...it is the truth.







I'm going to drop some truth bombs here. There are going to be a lot of butt hurt cops and LE on here...but that's because they love LE more than they love the Constitution. It is a tough job--no doubt--but there is no excuse for what goes on.I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--As ugly as this is...it is the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73617901



Post some pics w your badge # redacted or something.

If what you say is true, why did you do nothing?

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Your attempt to make a demand I refuse to meet in order to discredit me is ignorant and an attempt to take control of this thread. Not playing your game. This is serious and the public needs to know these things. You assume we did nothing. We did plenty, including protecting innocent civilians from our corrupt co-workers. Your attempt to make a demand I refuse to meet in order to discredit me is ignorant and an attempt to take control of this thread. Not playing your game. This is serious and the public needs to know these things. You assume we did nothing. We did plenty, including protecting innocent civilians from our corrupt co-workers.

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Ad hominem attack. Listen, if you're a cop and you have an argument with what I'm saying, challenge me...ad hominem attacks show you have no argument. Ad hominem attack. Listen, if you're a cop and you have an argument with what I'm saying, challenge me...ad hominem attacks show you have no argument.

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Yep...knew it would happen. You can almost predict which threads they'll hit quickly. Yep...knew it would happen. You can almost predict which threads they'll hit quickly.

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I once had a computer stolen. I was able to track it to an apartment in a bad part of town many miles form my home. I called the cops and one showed up. He asked for ID to make sure he was talking to the right guy. I just showed him my CCL, which here looks just like our drivers license and can be used as a pictue ID. He said "that's cool with me. I don't come to this part of town after hours and if I did I'd be carrying too".

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I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.



My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.



I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.



ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.



MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.



Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.



If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.



MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.



MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.



Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.



Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.



If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.



If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--



As ugly as this is...it is the truth.







I'm going to drop some truth bombs here. There are going to be a lot of butt hurt cops and LE on here...but that's because they love LE more than they love the Constitution. It is a tough job--no doubt--but there is no excuse for what goes on.I left because I love the Constitution, and I won't lie for other cops, or in court, or to make an arrest or bring a charge. Both my spouse and I care about the public and keeping people safe. We care about people reaching their full potential. We believe everyone makes mistakes (think about being a dumb teen) and it is more important to help people, than to bully them into submission. We also believe there are certain segments of society that cannot be redeemed or reformed and must be imprisoned to keep the public safe--and those are the people we wanted to put behind bars.My current spouse and I both received our Criminology, Police Administration degrees in the late 80's/early 90's.I can tell you for a fact that LE sees the Constitution as something that OBSTRUCTS them from doing their job. I took countless courses that focused on violating the 4th Amendment rights of individuals, establishing false probable cause, and entrapping individuals. The professors/instructors (most of them were NOT professors, but cops and former cops, were very good at convincing us that things that were unConstitutional were Constitutional, and/or that the ends justified the means.ALL (WITHOUT EXCEPTION) the cops I worked with or trained with are ANTI 2ND AMENDMENT. Any cops who tell you otherwise are lying to you. Cops believe they are the ONLY ones who should have guns. PERIOD. Any cops who get on here and tell you they want civilians carrying guns are LIARS. COPS HATE THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND WILL DO EVERYTHING TO HARASS YOU and to keep you from owning, carrying, or procuring a gun.MOST career cops are habitual liars. They lie about probable cause. They lie for other cops. They lie in court. THEY ARE TAUGHT HOW TO LIE...ABOUT EVERYTHING. If two cops are at a scene, they are taught to make sure there are no discrepancies in their reporting or narratives, even if one is lying.Adultery, spousal abuse, alcoholism, porn addiction is RAMPANT in Law Enforcement. Have you noticed that cops are rarely arrested or charge with spousal abuse, DUI, etc.? Do you really think it is because it's not happening? Having been at the scene of many cop wife beatings, not only were we not allowed to charge the cop, we weren't even allowed to write a report--nothing in writing...just a "cooling" off period...this included times when women even suffered injury, and in instances where the cop was a serial wife beater. One guy, where we were called multiple times....was even awarded "Police Officer of the Year". In most circumstances, police officers won't charge other police officers unless there is a dead body. I worked with police sgts. who were caught shoplifting, DUI, stealing at crime scenes, etc. NO charges...EVER.If you don't like beating the hell out of people, the cops who work with you will know it and they will see that you are fired. This sounds crazy...but with new probationary cops, a squad of cops will intentionally escalate a situation to the point of physical altercation to see if the probationary cop will engage and go along...if he doesn't...he is in the probationary period and they will see that he is dismissed for "failing to properly engage". Imagine being pulled over for something insignificant and the cop escalates the situation intentionally and you get battered, just to see if a probationary cop will engage--I saw this personally--in this case, the probationary cop was a good guy, a veteran--and got canned because he wouldn't participate in the illegal act.MOST Cops don't want to "protect and serve" the public. I used to think the job made cops the way they are...but I was wrong. The job ATTRACTS a certain type of individual. There was not much difference between the criminals we worked with, and the cops. Cops want to "protect and serve" EACH OTHER. Police work "serves" a purpose for them, for their egos, for their need to control. This causes a strong psychological addiction to the job--and they will do what they have to to "protect" and feed their addiction. Cops see it as a "war"--they have screwed up psyches and believe it is them verses the rest of the world...you could be an innocent little old church lady...but you are not a cop...so you are the enemy...because they believe it is "war" they see themselves on one side and EVERYONE ELSE on the other side.MOST cops are only capable of ALL GOOD or ALL BAD thinking. Cops are ALL good, everyone else is ALL bad. If they arrest a Mexican for stealing...ALL MEXICANS ARE BAD. If they arrest a church deacon for molesting a child...ALL CHRISTIANS AND CHURCH PEOPLE ARE BAD--and cops will treat them as such. BUT--if a cop beats his wife...THEY'LL COVER FOR HIM...BECAUSE HE IS ON THEIR SIDE. Does this make sense?? If you see a cop turn on another cop...it is usually a white cop against a Mexican, black, Christian, cop...because they have had experiencing with "bad" segments of those groups.Good, moral, Christian, Constitution respecting cops--WILL NOT LAST in the job--and if a reason can't be found to fire them--they will never advance beyond patrol officer. They will never become a sergeant or any type of administrator...because somewhere along the line...THEY REFUSED TO LIE FOR ANOTHER COP OR AGAINST A CITIZEN.Both my spouse and I left LE with our heads held high, knowing we would never be advanced or promoted due to our refusal to lie and violate the Constitutional rights of American citizens. We both have bachelors degrees--I have that and an additional undergraduate degree...but individuals who tested lower and had ONLY A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION are being advanced and given positions of authority over others. Nepotism is also a big problem in LE--cops kids, spouses, nephews, brothers, get hired all over whether or not they are the best candidate.If you're a cop reading this...you need to do the right thing. You need to obey the law and the Constitution no matter what you are taught, how you were trained, and what may happen to you. DO NOT LIE FOR OTHER COPS. DO NOT LIE ABOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. BE A MORAL AND GOOD PERSON.If you are pulled over by a cop or a cop responds to a situation in which you're involved...remember...YOU ARE THE ENEMY, THEY HATE THE CONSTITUTION, AND THEY WILL LIE. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. KNOW YOUR LOCAL LAWS. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. KNOW THAT IF YOU'RE NOT A COP--MOST COPS SEE YOU AS THE ENEMY--As ugly as this is...it is the truth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73617901



Post some pics w your badge # redacted or something.

If what you say is true, why did you do nothing?

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Your attempt to make a demand I refuse to meet in order to discredit me is ignorant and an attempt to take control of this thread. Not playing your game. This is serious and the public needs to know these things. You assume we did nothing. We did plenty, including protecting innocent civilians from our corrupt co-workers.

Your attempt to make a demand I refuse to meet in order to discredit me is ignorant and an attempt to take control of this thread. Not playing your game. This is serious and the public needs to know these things. You assume we did nothing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73617901

Oh they were like Batman and Robin. Oh they were like Batman and Robin.

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Such as ?



I got the cops called on me on the highway one time b/c I was tailgating another driver.

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Sure art. Like you've been outside in the past decade you retard shut in homo. Sure art. Like you've been outside in the past decade you retard shut in homo.

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05/03/2017 12:57 PM



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Report Copyright Violation Re: Why my spouse and I left Law Enforcement. What you need to know. this attitude spills over in firefighters too.

I've heard of first responders getting to the scene and letting people die or helping them along.



of course there are horror stories everywhere. but I agree there is some reason for concern. with that in mind, when it comes to time of war ... all things will change.



also, there are many fine police officers. it's a tough job.

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05/03/2017 12:59 PM

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I once had a computer stolen. I was able to track it to an apartment in a bad part of town many miles form my home. I called the cops and one showed up. He asked for ID to make sure he was talking to the right guy. I just showed him my CCL, which here looks just like our drivers license and can be used as a pictue ID. He said "that's cool with me. I don't come to this part of town after hours and if I did I'd be carrying too".

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Wow what a bonding moment and great story bro. Did he enter the apartment to retrieve your stolen property or claim your tracking was not sufficient to establish probable cause and did nothing? Wow what a bonding moment and great story bro. Did he enter the apartment to retrieve your stolen property or claim your tracking was not sufficient to establish probable cause and did nothing?

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05/03/2017 12:59 PM

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Thank you for the 5 stars and whoever pinned this. I will answer any questions as long as I'm able to stay in front of my computer today. Thank you for the 5 stars and whoever pinned this. I will answer any questions as long as I'm able to stay in front of my computer today.

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05/03/2017 01:00 PM

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Report Copyright Violation Re: Why my spouse and I left Law Enforcement. What you need to know. I've had a cop pull me over and give me a ticket for not wearing my seat belt - although I was absolutely wearing my seat belt.



The asshole cop just looked at me and laughed in my face. He said "tell it to the judge, he will never believe you".



He was right...



I no longer respect nor trust cops.

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05/03/2017 01:02 PM

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Either you're a lying sack of shit (most likely) in which case I say...











Or you and your cunt wife are the lowest form of police scum that there is on the planet and to that I say...











You two just went along and fucked with innocent people because you were afraid of what your co-workers might think. You're not cops. You're not even a man and a woman. You're both big pussies who deserve whatever bad karma you've got coming. And I hope it comes soon. So, one last time, to both of you worthless pieces of shit I say...







Thru the darkness

of Future Past

the magician longs to see

one chants out

between two worlds

Fire -- walk with me



:Moon3::Lighter Man::Moon3: Okay. I've got two words for you...Either you're a lying sack of shit (most likely) in which case I say...Or you and your cunt wife are the lowest form of police scum that there is on the planet and to that I say...You two just went along and fucked with innocent people because you were afraid of what your co-workers might think. You're not cops. You're not even a man and a woman. You're both big pussies who deserve whatever bad karma you've got coming. And I hope it comes soon. So, one last time, to both of you worthless pieces of shit I say...

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05/03/2017 01:02 PM

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I got the cops called on me on the highway one time b/c I was tailgating another driver.

Quoting: Artemis Rand



That was me.

How did you like my brake check, you dick?







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Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense"Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some assholeLegal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. That was me.How did you like my brake check, you dick?