Debbie Reveals That Her Beef With Brad Was All A Ruse On Survivor: Game Changers

See what the latest cast-off has to say about the shocking turn of events that sent her home.

In the latest episode of Survivor: Game Changers , " A Line Drawn In Concrete ," the third member of the jury was sent to Ponderosa in a surprising turn of events that saw Debbie Wanner 's torch being snuffed after an intense Tribal Council.Only one Tribal earlier , Debbie was responsible for the game changing move that sent Ozzy packing by using the extra vote advantage she acquired on Exile Island.We've caught up with the latest cast-off to find out her biggest gameplay regrets, the big throw down she had with Brad Culpepper , and whether or not she'd ever come back for more.The first time you see your name on the parchment, you think, "Somebody in my alliance broke." About two or three days prior to that vote, I had gone to Brad and said, "When this alliance breaks up, it's going to be Sarah —because she's playing both sides—or Troyzan ," who wasn't an original Nuku member—he was Mana.So, was I surprised that they made the move that early? That Sarah broke away from that six that early? I was. It was a surprise. As soon as you see your name on the parchment, you know it's coming. [Laughs]There was never a true break in our alliance. A lot of it was too much over-the-top acting to make sure that when people were targeting Brad, they were comfortable coming and telling me. Which they did, time and time and time again. It's the reason Ozzy really went home; it's because he was after Brad—or Sierra as his number two—and he told me that.Look, I respected Brad's wife Monica to the hilt, the way she played the game. Going into a situation similar to me: an "old woman" who could be used as a human kite, that's how thin we both are. And just being called the goat. Then the way Monica was grilled at the end [of Season 27], I thought she handled herself beautifully. I would've been snapping at those people left and right the way they were like, "Oh Monica, I don't know the real you!"And then, too, I had an affinity for Brad because I thought he got treated so unfairly. So I was never not in Brad's camp, but the acting was a little over the top—somebody definitely should've given me a Snickers bar [Laughs]—I guess the way it was so frenetic and etcetera. But look, a lot of it was just a play to convince people to feed me information on Brad because we were on the outs—but we never were.Exile was really nice, wasn't it? I have to say that when I first saw that big yacht looming in the distance, I still didn't think it was mine, and I just kept laughing about it. But you know, Cochran is a different makeup, personality-wise, than I am.I'm a lot more laid back and just deal with the information that I have, and I try to go through it and try to make the best decision I can, where Cochran is a lot of constant analyzing and just replaying and replaying and going over things again and again and again. I just am not like that, so I tried to go back and make nice and do the best that I could. We're just two different people with two different personalities, but I tried to take his advice to heart because, hey, he won the second time around.The first time that I played, it was just truly, "Hey, I'm actually on Survivor and this is so cool!" Me and many other people were just like, "It's so neat to be here!" that you're not deep into strategy.So the second time, you kind of think, "Alright, I'm going to make alliances and work people from day one." For sure I had somewhat of an alliance with Brad immediately, largely due to his wife, and then me thinking that he got a bad rap when he played.Well, at Ponderosa you're out of the game so you have a tendency not to lie to people continuously like you do when you're in the game. In the game, you have to think that everything everybody is saying, virtually all the time, is disingenuous.So how do you proceed from there, when you can't believe anything out of anybody's mouth? I have a conversation with you, and I know that I've lied, so I wonder what lies you've told, and then you go and have a conversation with Ozzy. Now I have to wonder what you're saying. So I say, "Hey, what'd you say to Ozzy?" And it just gets insane.At Ponderosa, none of that exists. You're already out of the game, so what point is there in being anything but truthful?Of course I would. The reason I played the second vote is because, again, you never really know if anybody's going to do what they say they're going to do. If you have an extra vote, you're going to play it to make sure that that thing happens so the numbers are more in your alliance's favor.I wasn't sure if everybody was going to go for Ozzy, so I thought I'd make sure that it happened. Would I have saved that extra vote for myself? Absolutely. Would I have gone to Brad and Sierra and made more of a move to take out either Aubry or Sarah at that point? Well, sure.But again, hindsight's 20/20. And look, sometimes you make a big move and it pays off—like Ozzy going home—and you're the hero of the day. And sometimes you make that move and you wind up choking on the bone, and you're the big loser of the day.At the end of the day, all I can say is: I played. I didn't sit back on the sidelines, I didn't wish I would've done something. I did it.I'd rather do The Amazing Race ; it's a lot less strenuous. [Laughs] Survivor is tough. It is really a difficult, difficult game. So, if I did, I would love to do a Blood vs. Water and take somebody along for some moral support, because it's really hard to not be able to trust or believe or have faith in anybody or anything out there.Watch all-new episodes of Survivor: Game Changers on Wednesdays at 8/7c on CBS and CBS All Access