Ivana Trump has perfected the art of the book tour, and she’s only been at it for one day. In her first interview for her new book, Raising Trump, the socialite proclaimed herself Donald Trump’s first wife, the “first lady.” The actual First Lady, Melania Trump, responded via a spokeswoman and called Ivana “attention-seeking.” But Ivana doubled down on Tuesday morning with an appearance on Fox & Friends, the one place her cable-news aficionado ex-husband was almost certain to see her.

She and the president are 25 years divorced, plus they raised three large adult children and chat every couple of weeks, according to Ivana. There’s no real urgency in jockeying for interpersonal power now. And yet Ivana really nails the better-than-thou ethos employed by exes the world over since time immemorial. This is the First Wives Club Ivana turned up to 11.

“I am glad Melania [Trump] is there and I am here,” Ivana said when asked whether she thought it should be her in the White House, echoing the main point from Monday’s Good Morning America interview. She called Washington a “tough, tough town” again, and reiterated that she turned down her ex-husband’s offer to serve as the American ambassador to the Czech Republic, where she’s from. Trump’s first wife said, “If you [had asked] me 10-15 years ago, I would do it. But now I don’t want to be in Prague for four years. Could I do well? Yes. But I would also lose my freedom.”

This brings up a great thought experiment to mull over: if two mothers of the president’s children have a spat and Fox & Friends isn’t there to capture it, does Donald Trump even care? Debate amongst yourselves.