Stijn Profile Joined October 2010 Netherlands 363 Posts #2



A belated response to last week's thread since I didn't want to bump it - On May 25 2016 23:07 WinterStarcraft wrote:

Thank you for updating the site which myself, and many other sc2 streamers use to keep track of sc2 stats/events that sites like socialblade (I used during the couple months of fuzic downtime) fail to really help with information.



A few things personally I've noticed are the Saturday/Sunday carryovers. I doubt it carries into monthly stats but there are many times when a 6-12 hour stream (Saturday to Sunday is frequently a popular stream time) does not show up in weekly fuzic stats. I assume this is because the reset timer is sometime during the stream and may discount the stream entirely.



It seems this doesn't have quite the effect on monthly stats but the site is based on weekly numbers so it is relevant to that. If I wanted to dive into stats I could probably come up with a few hours missing but in comparing my twitch stats to the post it is within 5%.



This is personal opinion from here. Judging the montly events based on amount of viewers does not accurately reflect interest or following in certain events (like foreign finals etc). I think the relevant basis would either be as compared to relevant events (aka WCS Spring 2015 finals to WCS Spring 2016 finals) or possibly to overall TWITCH viewers. The events surpassing a subjective view count isn't especially informative or helpful. I think things like unique viewer counts or regular viewers could be incredibly helpful, and it is possible both Blizz and/or ESL have those stats, but like even my (or any partnered streamers) viewer details, isn't open to the public.



Thanks again for putting this together.



Good feedback. I've checked it and there were indeed some problems with the week/month turnovers, which should be fixed now (and for the previous months as well).



I agree that the top events list loses some meaning when it's not put into context. It's not always possible to find a good event to compare to, however, especially not with WCS changing its format every year. Comparing it to the overall viewer count on Twitch is an interesting idea, and worth looking into. I don't have that number available for the past but I'll see if I can track it from now on and show it in future charts.



As for the "events > 15,000 viewers", I mainly added that because I feel there is some correlation between the average view count and the amount of big events - a month with fewer big events will be a slower month overall as well. So obviously the average will be higher for months with WCS finals, etc. The 15,000 cutoff is arbitrary, of course, and if anyone knows a better way to put the monthly average into context I'll be happy to change the graph. Good feedback. I've checked it and there were indeed some problems with the week/month turnovers, which should be fixed now (and for the previous months as well).I agree that the top events list loses some meaning when it's not put into context. It's not always possible to find a good event to compare to, however, especially not with WCS changing its format every year. Comparing it to the overall viewer count on Twitch is an interesting idea, and worth looking into. I don't have that number available for the past but I'll see if I can track it from now on and show it in future charts.As for the "events > 15,000 viewers", I mainly added that because I feel there is some correlation between the average view count and the amount of big events - a month with fewer big events will be a slower month overall as well. So obviously the average will be higher for months with WCS finals, etc. The 15,000 cutoff is arbitrary, of course, and if anyone knows a better way to put the monthly average into context I'll be happy to change the graph. http://www.fuzic.nl - Up-to-date viewer numbers for Starcraft 2 live streams

lagcats Profile Joined February 2016 172 Posts #3 weowLAD, I thought this list would be much smaller and less viewers http://www.twitter.com/lagcats <---> http://www.twitch.tv/lagcats Challenger League of Legends player.

DarkPlasmaBall Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 38921 Posts #4 Thanks for the updated data! "There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100

ejozl Profile Joined October 2010 Denmark 2906 Posts #5 Cham bringin' in the viewers! SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.

AgentScholar Profile Joined March 2016 United States 39 Posts #6 Good to see that you keep it up Chinese American, starcraft devoted fan, translator, eSports and organizational middleman. I do research on Sc Lore.

Weird Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 796 Posts #7



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



User was warned for this post Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!

sceroh Profile Joined September 2010 Belgium 177 Posts Last Edited: 2016-06-03 16:05:25 #8 who is lirik ?

Aeromi Profile Blog Joined August 2012 France 14178 Posts #9 On June 04 2016 01:04 sceroh wrote:

who is lirik ?

Biggest Twitch streamer. Peaked around 97k a few days ago. Biggest Twitch streamer. Peaked around 97k a few days ago. https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport

Weavel Profile Joined January 2010 Finland 8929 Posts #10 On June 03 2016 22:25 Weird wrote:

Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



Yeah it's depressing. Why is he even on this list?

Yeah it's depressing. Why is he even on this list? Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!

KalWarkov Profile Blog Joined December 2011 Germany 3911 Posts Last Edited: 2016-06-03 18:23:35 #11 On June 03 2016 22:25 Weird wrote:

Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



User was warned for this post



why did he get warned. Winter should not ever be on this list. he is a disgrace to our community.



Funny to see Happy twice on the list, for english and russian i assume? why did he get warned. Winter should not ever be on this list. he is a disgrace to our community.Funny to see Happy twice on the list, for english and russian i assume? DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM WoL/HotS/LotV | Dota2 - Offlane/5: peak 5.8k solo | Wc3 - Undead: 2007/2008/2016/2017/2018 ~rank 100 W3A/Bnet, ~60% winrate | Diablo 2 / Grim Dawn / PoE nerd - Melee Classes | Leffen/Ice, MCarlsen, BVB <3 | Agnostic***

Stijn Profile Joined October 2010 Netherlands 363 Posts #12



Inclusion criteria or: why is this stream in the list‽

The rankings list any stream that is reported on by the APIs of the various streaming services (Twitch, Azubu, The rankings list any stream that is reported on by the APIs of the various streaming services (Twitch, Azubu, etc ). I have no way of verifying to what extent someone's viewers are legitimate, and therefore will not independently ban someone from the rankings. Please do not start (another) discussion about this in this thread.



If you really disagree with him being there, just ignore #1 and start reading the list from #2, it's not that big of a deal. I would really appreciate it if we could for once have one of these threads without a discussion about Winter. As I said in the OP:If you really disagree with him being there, just ignore #1 and start reading the list from #2, it's not that big of a deal. http://www.fuzic.nl - Up-to-date viewer numbers for Starcraft 2 live streams

Dangermousecatdog Profile Joined December 2010 United Kingdom 6250 Posts Last Edited: 2016-06-03 20:02:55 #13



"Inclusion criteria or: why is Winter in the list" .



Your problem solved. You don't need to thank me, it's not that [/big] of a deal If you honestly didn't want to have a discussion about winter, what you will really do is:Your problem solved. You don't need to thank me, it's not that [/big] of a deal

Stijn Profile Joined October 2010 Netherlands 363 Posts #14 I hoped people would understand that my general statement also covered Winter, but I suppose it doesn't hurt to make it as clear as possible. http://www.fuzic.nl - Up-to-date viewer numbers for Starcraft 2 live streams

Charoisaur Profile Joined August 2014 Germany 13352 Posts #15 by now people should know it's pointless to discuss winter. everything has been said, there is no 100% proof and we just have to ignore him if we think he's fake. INnoVation

Dangermousecatdog Profile Joined December 2010 United Kingdom 6250 Posts #16 No, we know he is viewbotted. Winter has said so himself. What he also says is that he can't stop the viewbotting. Make of that what you will.

ShambhalaWar Profile Joined August 2013 United States 930 Posts #17 On June 03 2016 22:25 Weird wrote:

Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



User was warned for this post



Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.



And pls man, for your own good... get over it.



It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?



Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy? Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.And pls man, for your own good... get over it.It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy?

adnap2 Profile Joined December 2014 France 26 Posts Last Edited: 2016-06-04 05:44:07 #18 On June 04 2016 08:27 ShambhalaWar wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 03 2016 22:25 Weird wrote:

Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



User was warned for this post



Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.



And pls man, for your own good... get over it.



It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?



Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy? Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.And pls man, for your own good... get over it.It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy?





why do u want to ban people telling the truth. why do u want to ban people telling the truth.

Beliskner Profile Joined August 2015 111 Posts Last Edited: 2016-06-04 05:00:47 #19 On June 04 2016 10:11 adnap2 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On June 04 2016 08:27 ShambhalaWar wrote:

On June 03 2016 22:25 Weird wrote:

Good to see Viewbotting is #1 again!



Way to go Viewbotter!!! I knew you could do it!!!



User was warned for this post



Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.



And pls man, for your own good... get over it.



It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?



Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy? Why not just ban these people?... The thread just turns to trash otherwise.And pls man, for your own good... get over it.It's like Winter is your girlfriend and you just can't let go... You're still hanging onto to this from 2 years ago?Or by all means, start another match-fixing thread. A better spend of your energy?





why do u want to ban telling the truth. why do u want to ban telling the truth.



Because Winter isn't using viewbots to average 1000 viewers, He's also been cleared by Blizzard and Teamliquid that his average viewers are legitimate.



Basically it means you're all a bit butthurt and really can't accept the fact that he can manage over 700 subs and 1500 viewers.....



Because Winter isn't using viewbots to average 1000 viewers, He's also been cleared by Blizzard and Teamliquid that his average viewers are legitimate.Basically it means you're all a bit butthurt and really can't accept the fact that he can manage over 700 subs and 1500 viewers.....

Yiome Profile Joined February 2014 China 1687 Posts #20 GJ Hui!

One of the few starcraft steam actually saw some growth in viewership ...



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