Since you’re reading this, chances are you love spending time outside in nature and you’d love to do so even more. Florence Williams is a person who knows all about this feeling as well as the science behind it. Her book The Nature Fix explores why being in nature makes us happier, healthier, more productive, and even more creative.

In this conversation, Florence and I discussed the research behind it, new research she’s discovered since she wrote her book, and how you can squeeze in more time outside even if you’re working a 9-to-5 desk job. We also talk about the best places to travel to be in nature, what sounds in nature are the most appealing to us, and her insights on writing.

Florence’s writing has appeared everywhere from the New York Times to Outside Magazine and she’s even hosted a few podcasts herself, so this conversation flows fast. She loves what she does, and you get a sense from listening to her that she really wants others to get more joy in their lives from nature.

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