CINCINNATI -- For the first time in more than eight years, there's no Palmer quarterbacking the Bengals.

Backup Jordan Palmer was waived on Saturday, giving older brother Carson even more reason to stay away from the forlorn franchise. Jordan was the No. 2 quarterback last season behind his brother, who asked for a trade after a 4-12 finish.

The franchise quarterback has told the team he'd rather retire than play another season with Cincinnati. So far, the Bengals have refused, forcing Palmer to retire rather than play for someone else.

They signed Jordan Palmer to another contract at the start of training camp. He hoped to get a chance to compete for a job, but it became clear quickly that Cincinnati had other plans.

Owner Mike Brown said rookie Andy Dalton would start. The Bengals also signed veteran Bruce Gradkowski. Those two got most of the plays during training camp and the preseason games, leaving Jordan Palmer out of the picture.

It wasn't a complete surprise when the team let him go on Saturday.

"Based on coming off the offseason and coming into camp, yeah, I'm surprised," Palmer said, in a phone interview from his home in Cincinnati. "As I started to see this unfolding in terms of the opportunity I was given, I'm not as surprised now."

Neither were his teammates, who saw him get few opportunities to run the offense during practice.

"Everybody has a time when they're done with a team and the team's kind of moving on," offensive tackle Andrew Whitworth said. "I think he's moving on from us and they're moving on from him. He did a great job of the things he had to do."

The Bengals also released cornerback Fred Bennett, who was on the roster for the last five games in 2010, and waived safety Tom Nelson, cornerback LeRoy Vann, linebacker Stephen Franklin and receiver Jamere Holland.