

JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12

Pleasanton, CA JigglyWiggly Member Re: Go a little higher... STOP RUBBING IT IN

GAAWSH



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

Premium Member

join:2003-07-20

Jamestown, NC Matt3 to spewak

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80Mbps/30Mbps package ... $1.25/Mbps. The other packages available are 30/30 for $2.30/Mbps, 20/20 for $3/Mbps or 10/10 for $4/Mbps.



I have yet to find any speedtest site that will push a full 80Mbps to me down or allow me to push 30Mbps up.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: Go a little higher... Try SoftLayer's WDC server.



Also, jealous...



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

Premium Member

join:2003-07-20

Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: Go a little higher... said by iansltx: Try SoftLayer's WDC server.



Also, jealous...

About the same. 70'ish and 20'ish. I can get 79.9/29.7 to my providers speed test (3ms away), but no matter the time of day, I can't get more than 77/23 or so out. May be a Windows 7 thing ... haven't tried Linux or OS X.

Stewart

join:2005-07-13 Stewart to Matt3

Member to Matt3

said by Matt3: I have yet to find any speedtest site that will push a full 80Mbps to me down or allow me to push 30Mbps up.



If the server is close enough, the speedtest.net scheme (sum of two concurrent TCP connections) should do the deed. I'm on a 100/10 plan (the lowest FTTH sold here), connected by 100BaseT Ethernet, so the download performance is all I could expect. Upload is a little disappointing (have never seen more than 9.02), though I have no real need for anything faster. At an extra 20  for 100/100, Orange had few takers. They're now offering it for 10  extra... If the server is close enough, the speedtest.net scheme (sum of two concurrent TCP connections) should do the deed. I'm on a 100/10 plan (the lowest FTTH sold here), connected by 100BaseT Ethernet, so the download performance is all I could expect. Upload is a little disappointing (have never seen more than 9.02), though I have no real need for anything faster. At an extra 20  for 100/100, Orange had few takers. They're now offering it for 10  extra...



LightS

Premium Member

join:2005-12-17

Greenville, TX LightS Premium Member Re: Go a little higher... 0ms ping... what...

SO JEALOUS

Stewart

join:2005-07-13 Stewart Member Re: Go a little higher... said by LightS: 0ms ping... what...SO JEALOUS



Tracing route to telescope.mediactive.fr [83.167.35.96]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms LIVEBOX [192.168.1.1]

2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms AMontsouris-551-1-67-1.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.24.186.1]

3 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 10.125.126.74

4 45 ms 3 ms 3 ms xe-5-1-0-0.ncidf202.Paris.francetelecom.net [193.253.81.126]

5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms xe-5-0-2-0.ntsta202.Paris.francetelecom.net [81.253.131.118]

6 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 193.252.162.82

7 4 ms 3 ms 4 ms 81.52.179.194

8 4 ms 4 ms 3 ms xe2-2-0.tcr1.th2.par.as8218.eu [83.167.55.66]

9 * * * Request timed out.

I believe that speedtest.net tries to compensate for some server-side delays and when the values are small, there is a bug. Though the test site firewall blocks ICMP (so I can't see the last hop), IMO this traceroute shows a valid measurement in the 3 to 4 ms range:



spewak

R.I.P Dadkins

Premium Member

join:2001-08-07

Elk Grove, CA spewak to Matt3

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Oh yeah!!! My Ping is lower, so there!

90115534 (banned)

Someone is sabotaging me.Finding out who

join:2001-06-03

Kenner, LA 90115534 (banned) to spewak

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said by spewak: [att=1]

Please another! The more you make these people mad the happier I get.



iLive4Fusion

Premium Member

join:2006-07-13 iLive4Fusion Premium Member No FTTH here



We don't get FTTH here, we get FTTN through U-VERSE with a Max speed of 24/3. But Im getting pretty decent speeds with Charter.

O1OOO1O

join:2005-12-23

Lewisville, TX O1OOO1O Member Yup, not high enough...



xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon Member Re: Yup, not high enough... I'm on TWC and only paying for a 7Mbps connection (

wasvznowftr

join:2010-07-13

00000 wasvznowftr Member Re: Yup, not high enough... You're not really getting 25Mbps (at least not for the duration).



What you're seeing are power boost results. Cable company "trickery" of sorts, that temporarily uncaps your modem for the first few dozen megabytes of a large file download (like a speedtest) and uses surplus bandwidth in the node to give you a temporary speed boost.



shortly after your speed test you're back to 7Mbps.



LightS

Premium Member

join:2005-12-17

Greenville, TX LightS to xenophon

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:P :P



cyberdoyle

@net4business.co.uk cyberdoyle Anon fibre is the future fibre can deliver anything you want to pay to put through it. Unlike copper crap. If they are only buying 19.7 on average that is all they will presently deliver. It can only get better...

PerfectCode

join:2009-06-12

Portland, OR PerfectCode Member Re: fibre is the future Fiber > copper crap. I agree.



Camelot One

MVM

join:2001-11-21

Greenwood, IN Camelot One MVM What exactly is the point? "Users" of modern medicine are also happier with the results than those still forced to see witch doctors. But you can pretty much use a blanket statement of "user of (insert newer/faster/better product) like it better than users forced to use the (insert older/slower/more expensive version)"



You don't really need a study to know that lower cost, faster speed Fiber is going to make people happier.



jmn1207

Premium Member

join:2000-07-19

Sterling, VA jmn1207 Premium Member Re: What exactly is the point? said by Camelot One: You don't really need a study to know that lower cost, faster speed Fiber is going to make people happier.





The initial implementation is costly, at least when compared to using existing copper. Consumer demand isn't enough, it takes the threat of a conglomerate's survival to instigate such a drastic change.





And then there is Craig Moffet...The initial implementation is costly, at least when compared to using existing copper. Consumer demand isn't enough, it takes the threat of a conglomerate's survival to instigate such a drastic change.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: What exactly is the point?



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop to Camelot One

Member to Camelot One

Who would have thought that the FTTH Council would find that people like fiber. What's next? Will a DSL group find that DSL users will like DSL?

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: What exactly is the point? The only thing people like about DSL is price, last I checked. And maybe availability.



Sent from a DSL connection, 'cuz fixed wireless in my area sucks and everything else is capped too low.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop Member Re: What exactly is the point? "last I checked"



And where did you check?



My mom seems to be just happy with her 6Mb DSL even though she could get upto 50Mb from the cable company and 1Gb from the power company. I hate to break this to you but not everyone cares about having uber fast internet with no caps at a super cheap price.



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: What exactly is the point? said by battleop: I hate to break this to you but not everyone cares about having uber fast internet with no caps at a super cheap price.

She prefers a more expensive capped version???



MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27

Hixson, TN MonkeyLick78 Member Re: What exactly is the point? said by DataRiker: said by battleop: I hate to break this to you but not everyone cares about having uber fast internet with no caps at a super cheap price.



She prefers a more expensive capped version??? Don't waste your time . He complains about EPB Fiber saying "Not everyone wanted it so why should they have to have their tax dollars spent on it." and that " Chattanooga has some of the most corrupt officials in the country." while posting all of this from his EPB Fiber Optics connection that was voted on by those corrupt officials and paid for by grandma's tax dollars. I guess it's better to have your cake and eat it too rather than stand up for your convictions.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop Member Re: What exactly is the point? "Chattanooga has some of the most corrupt officials in the country"



Remind me, how many elected officials have been convicted in recent years? How many home owners have had thier property annexed just for the additional tax revenue in exchange for no new services rendered? How about the increased taxes? Do you pay attention to anything that your city and county leaders are doing with your tax dollars?



I guess you are eager to pay for the rate hike they are asking TVA for? At the end of 2008 EPB had a $121 Million dollar cash reseve and now they are asking for a rate hike becasue their cash reserves are low.





MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27

Hixson, TN MonkeyLick78 Member Re: What exactly is the point? You missed my point. You have these serious complaints but apparently your convictions weren't strong enough to prevent you from letting granny and other tax payers pay for a $1,000+ fiber install. I remember you saying something along the lines of "I have it...it's nothing special...same as Comcast." Considering that EPB delivers ecactly what they advertised, I'm not sure how you were unaware of what they would deliver. It seems like a waste of tax payers dollars for you to get a service installed(on their dime) while knowing that you wouldn't really notice a difference. As I said, it's better to have your cake and eat it too.You're reaping the rewards on one of the fastest networks in the nation while posting about how bad the whole thing is. It's like giving a speech about how unhealthy buffets are while stuffing your face with 3 kinds of shrimp , a large steak and a chocolate cake.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop Member Re: What exactly is the point? Do you work for EPB or are you just a Fanboy? Just what exactly did I say about EPB that prompted you to flame me?



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: What exactly is the point? said by battleop: Do you work for EPB or are you just a Fanboy? Just what exactly did I say about EPB that prompted you to flame me?

I think he stated it twice already.



battleop

join:2005-09-28

00000 battleop to DataRiker

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DSL is cheaper than the other to options and if you never even come remotely close to the cap what does it really matter?

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

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Again, 50M cable and 1Gb fiber are both more expensive than 6 Mb DSL. Price alone considered, DSL tends to win, because the infrastructure on which it rides has long been paid for.



One nice thing about fiber is it doesn't degrade quickly with distance like copper does. You know how long a T1 can go before it needs to be regen'd...it's not long...versus 50+ miles for SMF and 10+ miles for PON. If I had FTTH, I'd be well within the limits for a 100% capacity connection at nearly 4 miles from the CO. As it stands, my DSL connection hovers between 1 and 1.5 Mbps, depending on what Verizon feels is a good SNR for the moment. If they decide they want a 12 db SNR, the connection will drop well below 1 Mbps. Not fun.

iansltx iansltx to battleop

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Again, 50M cable and 1Gb fiber are both more expensive than 6 Mb DSL. Price alone considered, DSL tends to win, because the infrastructure on which it rides has long been paid for.



One nice thing about fiber is it doesn't degrade quickly with distance like copper does. You know how long a T1 can go before it needs to be regen'd...it's not long...versus 50+ miles for SMF and 10+ miles for PON. If I had FTTH, I'd be well within the limits for a 100% capacity connection at nearly 4 miles from the CO. As it stands, my DSL connection hovers between 1 and 1.5 Mbps, depending on what Verizon feels is a good SNR for the moment. If they decide they want a 12 db SNR, the connection will drop well below 1 Mbps. Not fun.



Last I checked sat internet is not fun either. I know people who are "just happy" with it because they can't get DSL, 3G or fixed wireless. DSL beats satellite hands down, but the same logic applies. Heck, an uncapped well-backhauled HSPA+ network beats all but bonded Annex-M ADSL2+ or VDSL, let alone fiber.



TongSama

join:2002-07-04

Santa Rosa, CA TongSama to Camelot One

Member to Camelot One

said by Camelot One: "Users" of modern medicine are also happier with the results than those still forced to see witch doctors.





Serious note, we didn't need a study to show this. Of course they are happier. Fiber installs require new fiber lines, no lazy techs leaving line levels marginal.



Also even if these guys get malware, they prolly wont even notice their bandwidth getting saturated since they have so much.



Remember ISPs: "The best customer service is the ones the customer don't need." Get everything working right and you wont even hear a peep from ur customers. I dunno about ur witch doctor but mine sells me great ointments that cures all illnesses.Serious note, we didn't need a study to show this. Of course they are happier. Fiber installs require new fiber lines, no lazy techs leaving line levels marginal.Also even if these guys get malware, they prolly wont even notice their bandwidth getting saturated since they have so much.Remember ISPs: "The best customer service is the ones the customer don't need." Get everything working right and you wont even hear a peep from ur customers.

BiggA

Premium Member

join:2005-11-23

Central CT BiggA Premium Member Thank you... ... Captain obvious.



heat84

Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11

Fort Lauderdale, FL 1 edit heat84 Member Just lock this now



And no I'm not jealous. I have Comcast's 12/2 and rarely make use of that 12. The FTTH upload speeds would be awesome for Bit Torrent though. I could probably get my total ratio up to 100. Its at 14.5 now. We don't need the FIOS snobs laughing the rest of us anymore than they already do. They can go fuck themselves.And no I'm not jealous. I have Comcast's 12/2 and rarely make use of that 12. The FTTH upload speeds would be awesome for Bit Torrent though. I could probably get my total ratio up to 100. Its at 14.5 now.

Ricanlegend

join:2011-05-18

Bronx, NY Ricanlegend Member Stupid servey next servey will say people with more money are happier than poor people lmao

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member Now we need more fiber... Sounds like the average connection is 20/5 for $60 per month. Comparing that to my current 1.5/384 DSL, that's wonderful. Wish I could get it.



Compared to the 20/2 cable that I have a promo rate on in Golden ($20/mo) it's not so hot. But after the promo wears off I'm paying $65 or so for 20/2. $5 less for 3 Mbps more upload speed would be wonderful. Qwest can do that with VDSL...but not near me :/

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24

Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: Now we need more fiber... said by iansltx: Sounds like the average connection is 20/5 for $60 per month. Comparing that to my current 1.5/384 DSL, that's wonderful. Wish I could get it.



Compared to the 20/2 cable that I have a promo rate on in Golden ($20/mo) it's not so hot. But after the promo wears off I'm paying $65 or so for 20/2. $5 less for 3 Mbps more upload speed would be wonderful. Qwest can do that with VDSL...but not near me :/





If they gave 50/50 as a base no one would ever upgrade, even if they offered a gigabit. Fiber could easily go much higher though. ISPs hold on to bandwidth though to encourage users to upgrade to higher priced tiers.If they gave 50/50 as a base no one would ever upgrade, even if they offered a gigabit.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: Now we need more fiber... Sonic offers 100/10 base in their new FTTH area *shrugs*

nanaki333

join:2010-08-11

Chantilly, VA nanaki333 Member 3 my fios







tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member upload theory



I think that speed test sites want their ratio of SENT data to RECIEVED data to be asymmetric so their ISPs dont' get dinged on their bandwith costs (the bandwidth reciprocacy agreements).



At least that's my theory, and I don't doubt that there can be provisioning congestion at the backbone level SOMETIMES due to the way YOUR isps.. even Verizon route upload speeds. It seems like a rotating schedule where you'll lose (dare I suggest throttling, that's too extreme for such minimal bandwidth loss) upt 5% of your upload speed for a time where your bandwidth usage exceeds a specified amout (maybe?). Perhaps someone can clarify exactly what's going on...



BTW, with 25/25 I've never seen the download below 25mbits except maybe once in almost a year. Can't blame Verizon, it was around the time everyone was seeing routing problems..



That said, the consensus is Cable & DSL providers have a LONG road ahead to make bandwidth more SYMMETRIC and provide higher speed service! Yeah, it was taken in Feb, but that's typical of my speeds and I'm too lazy to cut/paste a new one! My pings used to be shorter, but then I moved within FIOS land.. no worries.. I'm not a FPS online gamer...I think that speed test sites want their ratio of SENT data to RECIEVED data to be asymmetric so their ISPs dont' get dinged on their bandwith costs (the bandwidth reciprocacy agreements).At least that's my theory, and I don't doubt that there can be provisioning congestion at the backbone level SOMETIMES due to the way YOUR isps.. even Verizon route upload speeds. It seems like a rotating schedule where you'll lose (dare I suggest throttling, that's too extreme for such minimal bandwidth loss) upt 5% of your upload speed for a time where your bandwidth usage exceeds a specified amout (maybe?). Perhaps someone can clarify exactly what's going on...BTW, with 25/25 I've never seen the download below 25mbits except maybe once in almost a year. Can't blame Verizon, it was around the time everyone was seeing routing problems..That said, the consensus is Cable & DSL providers have a LONG road ahead to make bandwidth more SYMMETRIC and provide higher speed service!



jadebangle

Premium Member

join:2007-05-22

00000 jadebangle Premium Member we are not talking price per megabit! we are talking faster speed and more pay hehe

lol

let say

105mbit cost me 105.00 for first year

250 installation fee

surewest optical fiber Internet is 192.00 for 50mb/50mb

a lot of pay?

i pay more if needed but im fine

with 69.99 at 25/25

ehehehehehehehhehehe

i get symmetircal speed

it better then most of usa resident but still pricey and expensive



still

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DeathK

Premium Member

join:2002-06-16

Cincinnati, OH DeathK Premium Member I'm Quite Satisfied



I'm right about at average, but that's all we're paying for right now (20/5). We're paying the same price with Cincinnati Bell FTTH data and voice as we did with POTS and DSL (3Mb connection). We could get 100/20, however the price is really crappy due to Time Warner's lack of comparable speeds. TWC needs to ramp it up so CBT will offer their faster tiers for lower prices. I'm right about at average, but that's all we're paying for right now (20/5). We're paying the same price with Cincinnati Bell FTTH data and voice as we did with POTS and DSL (3Mb connection). We could get 100/20, however the price is really crappy due to Time Warner's lack of comparable speeds. TWC needs to ramp it up so CBT will offer their faster tiers for lower prices.



Thespis

I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.

Premium Member

join:2004-08-03

Keller, TX Thespis Premium Member I'm good...



I'm very happy with the download "fluff", but I wish the upload had a little too!



MonkeyLick78

join:2002-01-27

Hixson, TN MonkeyLick78 Member Re: eh nm