eugenius said: I wish we could start calling them the Tate-Porter recordings, just to clarify things. Click to expand...

eugenius said: That said, I've never read anywhere that Porter gave the Tate1 recordings a clean up. Click to expand...

eugenius said: didn't Porter give the initial Tate Session a listen and decided to scrap the lot and start from scratch? If we are to believe what John Porter told Simon Goddard in "The Songs That Saved Your Life (2nd edition, page 45), Geoff Travis gave Porter a listen in a Regent Sound Studio to get Porter's opinion of the session. Porter said it was "out of tune and out of time." He then told Travis that it would be cheaper, easier and quicker to scrap the Tate session and start from scratch. Click to expand...

eugenius said: That said, where has it been said or written that Troy Tate recorded two sessions? Are Tate1 and Tate2 possibly just different takes from the same sessions? That would make more sense. Click to expand...

If we can prove that Porter was involved in the TATE2 set, that's what I intend to do on PJLM.Well assuming he did work with previously recorded material, he would have gone back to the multi-tracks I guess. Which is different to working with the finished or near-finished Troy Tate job (the TATE1 set).Which doesn't mean he didn't give it a try, particularly if Travis stressed that they were running out of funds. Rogan does suggest that they might have attempted to 'fix' the recordings first. I trust Goddard as a biographer more than I do Rogan, but Rogan also spoke with key people and there might be something there. This doesn't negate the fact that the versions on the debut album were re-recorded. It's just that there might have previously been an attempt at working with what was already recorded.How else can we explain that the TATE2 set includes musical and vocal elements that come from the Troy Tate recordings, but also elements that we find in the final Porter versions released on the debut album?The alternative to the hypothesis that TATE2 includes Porter's involvement is that TATE2 would pre-date TATE1, because TATE1 is the final or near-final Troy Tate mix that the band would have released if they had liked it.All in all I'm not saying you are wrong, but rather playing devil's advocate by confronting what you say with what others have been reporting here and there. I think there are elements in the alternative theories that we can't ignore. We can only see clearly if we put all our minds and knowledge together.Stephane