There’s a strange paradox in President Donald Trump’s approach to the truth. He’s willing to tell a vast and dizzying array of lies, half-truths, and fabrications to advance his goals. But he can also be refreshingly honest at times, even when a lie might serve him better. In an interview with ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos, released on Thursday, he said he wouldn’t turn down foreign assistance to win the 2020 presidential election.

“Your campaign this time around,” Stephanopoulos said, “if foreigners, if Russia, if China, if someone else offers you information on opponents, should they accept it or should they call the FBI?”

“I think maybe you do both,” Trump replied. “I think you might want to listen, there isn’t anything wrong with listening. If somebody called from a country—Norway—[and said], ‘We have information on your opponent,’ oh, I think I’d want to hear it.”

“You want that kind of interference in our elections?” Stephanopoulos asked.

“It’s not an interference,” Trump said. “They have information. I think I’d take it. If I thought there was something wrong, I’d go maybe to the FBI. If I thought there was something wrong. But when somebody come up with oppo research, right, they come up with oppo research. ‘Oh, let’s call the FBI.’ The FBI doesn’t have enough agents to take care of it. But you go and talk honestly to congressmen, they all do it, they always have. And that’s the way it is.”