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NATO: No 'business as usual' with Moscow



The Washington Post

4:41 PM CDT, August 19, 2008



BRUSSELS, Belgium - BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO allies said Tuesday there would be no "business as usual" with Moscow until Russian troops withdraw from all parts of Georgia, but members of the Western alliance disagreed on the extent to which Moscow should be more permanently isolated.



An alliance declaration calling on Russia to "demonstrate -- both in word and deed" its commitment to its cooperative relationship with NATO, one U.S. official said, was "better than we thought" could be achieved in the face of reluctance from some European partners.



Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "The United States sought precisely what we got in this statement." But other diplomats said the consensus document was a reflection of the fact that the alliance has few options -- short of military action, which its members have rejected -- to force its will on Russia.



A German diplomat said that his government did not consider NATO the proper place to discuss a global response to the Georgian crisis, suggesting that the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) were more appropriate venues.



"There were different perspectives" in Tuesday morning's closed-door meeting, the diplomat said. "Georgia is not a member of NATO. ... What can NATO do?"



In addition to repeating its denunciation of Russian actions in Georgia and calling for an end to what NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called its "occupation" of "the greater part of Georgia," the alliance said it would provide technical assistance to rebuild Georgian infrastructure, including its air traffic control system, damaged by Russian strikes. The alliance said it would form a NATO-Georgian commission to help Georgia move toward eventual NATO membership.



Despite Russia's announcement Monday that it would begin to withdraw, de Hoop Scheffer said in a news conference that there were still no confirmed reports that it was doing so. Meanwhile, OSCE said agreement had been reached between Russia and Georgia to immediately send 20 unarmed military monitors to oversee a cease-fire, a number that eventually will be increased to 100.



The monitors will be stationed in the "conflict zone" in Georgia proper, outside the Georgian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia says the enclaves should be independent of Tbilisi, and has said its military invasion was precipitated by a Georgian military attack on them.



Asked whether NATO was developing any new military plans to assist the Georgians, de Hoop Scheffer said: "The answer is no. I think we have in place what we should have." He denounced a Russian threat to target Poland in response to a U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement that Rice will sign in Warsaw on Wednesday. "It is pathetic rhetoric," de Hoop Scheffer said of the Russian threats.



Russia's continued refusal to withdraw, despite promises made in a cease-fire agreement negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has frustrated the alliance. The Bush administration had urged a near-complete shunning of Moscow in international organizations, including the NATO-Russian Council, established after the fall of the Soviet Union to increase cooperation.



De Hoop Scheffer said he saw no prospect of council meetings or programs in the near future. But in an article in Tuesday morning's London Times, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband wrote that "isolation has been tried in the past and didn't work. I favor hard-headed engagement," a phrase that a British diplomat interpreted as meaning "you don't step back from delivering a tough message" at every encounter with Russian officials.



Miliband said he did not favor expelling Russia from the Group of Eight wealthy, industrialized nations, as U.S. presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has proposed. "That would encourage Russian sense of victimhood, fuel Russian revanchism and allow the Russians to position themselves as the champion of reform for those currently outside the G-8," he wrote.



Reports Tuesday from Georgia emphasized the ambiguity of the situation on the ground. Russian troops still traveled the country at will and appeared to be entrenching some positions, even though Russian officials in Moscow said a withdrawal was underway.



According to wire service and other reports, a Russian contingent returned to the Black Sea port at Poti, where it destroyed more Georgian equipment and took several Georgian military personnel into custody. Russians also remained in positions around the central city of Gori.



"We stress the urgency of swift, complete and good faith implementations of the (withdrawal) agreement," the statement issued by the 26 NATO countries said. " ... Military action must cease definitively and military forces must return to their positions held prior to the outbreak of hostilities."



Even before the emergency session, there was broad agreement that NATO should try to ensure Moscow follows through on its withdrawal promises, and that the military incursion is not used to redefine the borders of former Soviet states hoping to join the Atlantic alliance.



Rice said Monday that NATO would send a message to Moscow that "we're not going to allow Russia to draw a new line around those states not yet integrated (into NATO) like Ukraine and Georgia." But she said the alliance was unlikely to speed up consideration of their applications to be formally placed on the path toward NATO membership. Requests by the two former Soviet republics were set aside at a NATO summit last spring, to be revisited at a foreign ministers meeting scheduled for December.



She said Tuesday's meeting would also reaffirm support for NATO members in central and eastern Europe, such as the Balkan nations and Poland, which joined following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.



"We're reinforcing the point that they are safely within transatlantic structures," Rice said.



Following the NATO meeting, Rice is scheduled to fly to Warsaw to formalize the U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement made last week.



In comments Monday aboard her aircraft en route to Brussels, Rice for the first time placed the Georgian crisis in the context of what she described as Moscow's stepped-up military taunting of some of NATO's most powerful members, including an increase of strategic bomber flights near the Alaskan coast.



Flights by Russian Tu-95 "Bear" bombers into what the United States considers its "defensive air space" have notably increased during the past six months, U.S. officials have said. The Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s and escorted in the other direction without incident, officials said.



"This is a very dangerous game, and perhaps one the Russians might want to reconsider," Rice said. "It is not cost free. ... This effort to somehow assert Russian power or influence by military means is something that we've been seeing for a while." Similar flights, she said, have occurred near the coast of Norway, another NATO member, which shares a border with Russia.



[link to www.chicagotribune.com] The Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s and escorted in the other direction without incident, officials said. ...---Full article:NATO: No 'business as usual' with MoscowThe Washington Post4:41 PM CDT, August 19, 2008BRUSSELS, Belgium - BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO allies said Tuesday there would be no "business as usual" with Moscow until Russian troops withdraw from all parts of Georgia, but members of the Western alliance disagreed on the extent to which Moscow should be more permanently isolated.An alliance declaration calling on Russia to "demonstrate -- both in word and deed" its commitment to its cooperative relationship with NATO, one U.S. official said, was "better than we thought" could be achieved in the face of reluctance from some European partners.Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "The United States sought precisely what we got in this statement." But other diplomats said the consensus document was a reflection of the fact that the alliance has few options -- short of military action, which its members have rejected -- to force its will on Russia.A German diplomat said that his government did not consider NATO the proper place to discuss a global response to the Georgian crisis, suggesting that the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) were more appropriate venues."There were different perspectives" in Tuesday morning's closed-door meeting, the diplomat said. "Georgia is not a member of NATO. ... What can NATO do?"In addition to repeating its denunciation of Russian actions in Georgia and calling for an end to what NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called its "occupation" of "the greater part of Georgia," the alliance said it would provide technical assistance to rebuild Georgian infrastructure, including its air traffic control system, damaged by Russian strikes. The alliance said it would form a NATO-Georgian commission to help Georgia move toward eventual NATO membership.Despite Russia's announcement Monday that it would begin to withdraw, de Hoop Scheffer said in a news conference that there were still no confirmed reports that it was doing so. Meanwhile, OSCE said agreement had been reached between Russia and Georgia to immediately send 20 unarmed military monitors to oversee a cease-fire, a number that eventually will be increased to 100.The monitors will be stationed in the "conflict zone" in Georgia proper, outside the Georgian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia says the enclaves should be independent of Tbilisi, and has said its military invasion was precipitated by a Georgian military attack on them.Asked whether NATO was developing any new military plans to assist the Georgians, de Hoop Scheffer said: "The answer is no. I think we have in place what we should have." He denounced a Russian threat to target Poland in response to a U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement that Rice will sign in Warsaw on Wednesday. "It is pathetic rhetoric," de Hoop Scheffer said of the Russian threats.Russia's continued refusal to withdraw, despite promises made in a cease-fire agreement negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has frustrated the alliance. The Bush administration had urged a near-complete shunning of Moscow in international organizations, including the NATO-Russian Council, established after the fall of the Soviet Union to increase cooperation.De Hoop Scheffer said he saw no prospect of council meetings or programs in the near future. But in an article in Tuesday morning's London Times, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband wrote that "isolation has been tried in the past and didn't work. I favor hard-headed engagement," a phrase that a British diplomat interpreted as meaning "you don't step back from delivering a tough message" at every encounter with Russian officials.Miliband said he did not favor expelling Russia from the Group of Eight wealthy, industrialized nations, as U.S. presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has proposed. "That would encourage Russian sense of victimhood, fuel Russian revanchism and allow the Russians to position themselves as the champion of reform for those currently outside the G-8," he wrote.Reports Tuesday from Georgia emphasized the ambiguity of the situation on the ground. Russian troops still traveled the country at will and appeared to be entrenching some positions, even though Russian officials in Moscow said a withdrawal was underway.According to wire service and other reports, a Russian contingent returned to the Black Sea port at Poti, where it destroyed more Georgian equipment and took several Georgian military personnel into custody. Russians also remained in positions around the central city of Gori."We stress the urgency of swift, complete and good faith implementations of the (withdrawal) agreement," the statement issued by the 26 NATO countries said. " ... Military action must cease definitively and military forces must return to their positions held prior to the outbreak of hostilities."Even before the emergency session, there was broad agreement that NATO should try to ensure Moscow follows through on its withdrawal promises, and that the military incursion is not used to redefine the borders of former Soviet states hoping to join the Atlantic alliance.Rice said Monday that NATO would send a message to Moscow that "we're not going to allow Russia to draw a new line around those states not yet integrated (into NATO) like Ukraine and Georgia." But she said the alliance was unlikely to speed up consideration of their applications to be formally placed on the path toward NATO membership. Requests by the two former Soviet republics were set aside at a NATO summit last spring, to be revisited at a foreign ministers meeting scheduled for December.She said Tuesday's meeting would also reaffirm support for NATO members in central and eastern Europe, such as the Balkan nations and Poland, which joined following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union."We're reinforcing the point that they are safely within transatlantic structures," Rice said.Following the NATO meeting, Rice is scheduled to fly to Warsaw to formalize the U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement made last week.In comments Monday aboard her aircraft en route to Brussels, Rice for the first time placed the Georgian crisis in the context of what she described as Moscow's stepped-up military taunting of some of NATO's most powerful members, including an increase of strategic bomber flights near the Alaskan coast.Flights by Russian Tu-95 "Bear" bombers into what the United States considers its "defensive air space" have notably increased during the past six months, U.S. officials have said."This is a very dangerous game, and perhaps one the Russians might want to reconsider," Rice said. "It is not cost free. ... This effort to somehow assert Russian power or influence by military means is something that we've been seeing for a while." Similar flights, she said, have occurred near the coast of Norway, another NATO member, which shares a border with Russia.

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NATO: No 'business as usual' with Moscow



The Washington Post

4:41 PM CDT, August 19, 2008



BRUSSELS, Belgium - BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO allies said Tuesday there would be no "business as usual" with Moscow until Russian troops withdraw from all parts of Georgia, but members of the Western alliance disagreed on the extent to which Moscow should be more permanently isolated.



An alliance declaration calling on Russia to "demonstrate -- both in word and deed" its commitment to its cooperative relationship with NATO, one U.S. official said, was "better than we thought" could be achieved in the face of reluctance from some European partners.



Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "The United States sought precisely what we got in this statement." But other diplomats said the consensus document was a reflection of the fact that the alliance has few options -- short of military action, which its members have rejected -- to force its will on Russia.



A German diplomat said that his government did not consider NATO the proper place to discuss a global response to the Georgian crisis, suggesting that the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) were more appropriate venues.



"There were different perspectives" in Tuesday morning's closed-door meeting, the diplomat said. "Georgia is not a member of NATO. ... What can NATO do?"



In addition to repeating its denunciation of Russian actions in Georgia and calling for an end to what NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called its "occupation" of "the greater part of Georgia," the alliance said it would provide technical assistance to rebuild Georgian infrastructure, including its air traffic control system, damaged by Russian strikes. The alliance said it would form a NATO-Georgian commission to help Georgia move toward eventual NATO membership.



Despite Russia's announcement Monday that it would begin to withdraw, de Hoop Scheffer said in a news conference that there were still no confirmed reports that it was doing so. Meanwhile, OSCE said agreement had been reached between Russia and Georgia to immediately send 20 unarmed military monitors to oversee a cease-fire, a number that eventually will be increased to 100.



The monitors will be stationed in the "conflict zone" in Georgia proper, outside the Georgian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia says the enclaves should be independent of Tbilisi, and has said its military invasion was precipitated by a Georgian military attack on them.



Asked whether NATO was developing any new military plans to assist the Georgians, de Hoop Scheffer said: "The answer is no. I think we have in place what we should have." He denounced a Russian threat to target Poland in response to a U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement that Rice will sign in Warsaw on Wednesday. "It is pathetic rhetoric," de Hoop Scheffer said of the Russian threats.



Russia's continued refusal to withdraw, despite promises made in a cease-fire agreement negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has frustrated the alliance. The Bush administration had urged a near-complete shunning of Moscow in international organizations, including the NATO-Russian Council, established after the fall of the Soviet Union to increase cooperation.



De Hoop Scheffer said he saw no prospect of council meetings or programs in the near future. But in an article in Tuesday morning's London Times, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband wrote that "isolation has been tried in the past and didn't work. I favor hard-headed engagement," a phrase that a British diplomat interpreted as meaning "you don't step back from delivering a tough message" at every encounter with Russian officials.



Miliband said he did not favor expelling Russia from the Group of Eight wealthy, industrialized nations, as U.S. presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has proposed. "That would encourage Russian sense of victimhood, fuel Russian revanchism and allow the Russians to position themselves as the champion of reform for those currently outside the G-8," he wrote.



Reports Tuesday from Georgia emphasized the ambiguity of the situation on the ground. Russian troops still traveled the country at will and appeared to be entrenching some positions, even though Russian officials in Moscow said a withdrawal was underway.



According to wire service and other reports, a Russian contingent returned to the Black Sea port at Poti, where it destroyed more Georgian equipment and took several Georgian military personnel into custody. Russians also remained in positions around the central city of Gori.



"We stress the urgency of swift, complete and good faith implementations of the (withdrawal) agreement," the statement issued by the 26 NATO countries said. " ... Military action must cease definitively and military forces must return to their positions held prior to the outbreak of hostilities."



Even before the emergency session, there was broad agreement that NATO should try to ensure Moscow follows through on its withdrawal promises, and that the military incursion is not used to redefine the borders of former Soviet states hoping to join the Atlantic alliance.



Rice said Monday that NATO would send a message to Moscow that "we're not going to allow Russia to draw a new line around those states not yet integrated (into NATO) like Ukraine and Georgia." But she said the alliance was unlikely to speed up consideration of their applications to be formally placed on the path toward NATO membership. Requests by the two former Soviet republics were set aside at a NATO summit last spring, to be revisited at a foreign ministers meeting scheduled for December.



She said Tuesday's meeting would also reaffirm support for NATO members in central and eastern Europe, such as the Balkan nations and Poland, which joined following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.



"We're reinforcing the point that they are safely within transatlantic structures," Rice said.



Following the NATO meeting, Rice is scheduled to fly to Warsaw to formalize the U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement made last week.



In comments Monday aboard her aircraft en route to Brussels, Rice for the first time placed the Georgian crisis in the context of what she described as Moscow's stepped-up military taunting of some of NATO's most powerful members, including an increase of strategic bomber flights near the Alaskan coast.



Flights by Russian Tu-95 "Bear" bombers into what the United States considers its "defensive air space" have notably increased during the past six months, U.S. officials have said. The Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s and escorted in the other direction without incident, officials said.



"This is a very dangerous game, and perhaps one the Russians might want to reconsider," Rice said. "It is not cost free. ... This effort to somehow assert Russian power or influence by military means is something that we've been seeing for a while." Similar flights, she said, have occurred near the coast of Norway, another NATO member, which shares a border with Russia.



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The Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s and escorted in the other direction without incident, officials said. ...---Full article:NATO: No 'business as usual' with MoscowThe Washington Post4:41 PM CDT, August 19, 2008BRUSSELS, Belgium - BRUSSELS, Belgium -- NATO allies said Tuesday there would be no "business as usual" with Moscow until Russian troops withdraw from all parts of Georgia, but members of the Western alliance disagreed on the extent to which Moscow should be more permanently isolated.An alliance declaration calling on Russia to "demonstrate -- both in word and deed" its commitment to its cooperative relationship with NATO, one U.S. official said, was "better than we thought" could be achieved in the face of reluctance from some European partners.Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "The United States sought precisely what we got in this statement." But other diplomats said the consensus document was a reflection of the fact that the alliance has few options -- short of military action, which its members have rejected -- to force its will on Russia.A German diplomat said that his government did not consider NATO the proper place to discuss a global response to the Georgian crisis, suggesting that the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) were more appropriate venues."There were different perspectives" in Tuesday morning's closed-door meeting, the diplomat said. "Georgia is not a member of NATO. ... What can NATO do?"In addition to repeating its denunciation of Russian actions in Georgia and calling for an end to what NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer called its "occupation" of "the greater part of Georgia," the alliance said it would provide technical assistance to rebuild Georgian infrastructure, including its air traffic control system, damaged by Russian strikes. The alliance said it would form a NATO-Georgian commission to help Georgia move toward eventual NATO membership.Despite Russia's announcement Monday that it would begin to withdraw, de Hoop Scheffer said in a news conference that there were still no confirmed reports that it was doing so. Meanwhile, OSCE said agreement had been reached between Russia and Georgia to immediately send 20 unarmed military monitors to oversee a cease-fire, a number that eventually will be increased to 100.The monitors will be stationed in the "conflict zone" in Georgia proper, outside the Georgian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Russia says the enclaves should be independent of Tbilisi, and has said its military invasion was precipitated by a Georgian military attack on them.Asked whether NATO was developing any new military plans to assist the Georgians, de Hoop Scheffer said: "The answer is no. I think we have in place what we should have." He denounced a Russian threat to target Poland in response to a U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement that Rice will sign in Warsaw on Wednesday. "It is pathetic rhetoric," de Hoop Scheffer said of the Russian threats.Russia's continued refusal to withdraw, despite promises made in a cease-fire agreement negotiated by French President Nicolas Sarkozy, has frustrated the alliance. The Bush administration had urged a near-complete shunning of Moscow in international organizations, including the NATO-Russian Council, established after the fall of the Soviet Union to increase cooperation.De Hoop Scheffer said he saw no prospect of council meetings or programs in the near future. But in an article in Tuesday morning's London Times, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband wrote that "isolation has been tried in the past and didn't work. I favor hard-headed engagement," a phrase that a British diplomat interpreted as meaning "you don't step back from delivering a tough message" at every encounter with Russian officials.Miliband said he did not favor expelling Russia from the Group of Eight wealthy, industrialized nations, as U.S. presidential candidate Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has proposed. "That would encourage Russian sense of victimhood, fuel Russian revanchism and allow the Russians to position themselves as the champion of reform for those currently outside the G-8," he wrote.Reports Tuesday from Georgia emphasized the ambiguity of the situation on the ground. Russian troops still traveled the country at will and appeared to be entrenching some positions, even though Russian officials in Moscow said a withdrawal was underway.According to wire service and other reports, a Russian contingent returned to the Black Sea port at Poti, where it destroyed more Georgian equipment and took several Georgian military personnel into custody. Russians also remained in positions around the central city of Gori."We stress the urgency of swift, complete and good faith implementations of the (withdrawal) agreement," the statement issued by the 26 NATO countries said. " ... Military action must cease definitively and military forces must return to their positions held prior to the outbreak of hostilities."Even before the emergency session, there was broad agreement that NATO should try to ensure Moscow follows through on its withdrawal promises, and that the military incursion is not used to redefine the borders of former Soviet states hoping to join the Atlantic alliance.Rice said Monday that NATO would send a message to Moscow that "we're not going to allow Russia to draw a new line around those states not yet integrated (into NATO) like Ukraine and Georgia." But she said the alliance was unlikely to speed up consideration of their applications to be formally placed on the path toward NATO membership. Requests by the two former Soviet republics were set aside at a NATO summit last spring, to be revisited at a foreign ministers meeting scheduled for December.She said Tuesday's meeting would also reaffirm support for NATO members in central and eastern Europe, such as the Balkan nations and Poland, which joined following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union."We're reinforcing the point that they are safely within transatlantic structures," Rice said.Following the NATO meeting, Rice is scheduled to fly to Warsaw to formalize the U.S.-Polish missile defense agreement made last week.In comments Monday aboard her aircraft en route to Brussels, Rice for the first time placed the Georgian crisis in the context of what she described as Moscow's stepped-up military taunting of some of NATO's most powerful members, including an increase of strategic bomber flights near the Alaskan coast.Flights by Russian Tu-95 "Bear" bombers into what the United States considers its "defensive air space" have notably increased during the past six months, U.S. officials have said."This is a very dangerous game, and perhaps one the Russians might want to reconsider," Rice said. "It is not cost free. ... This effort to somehow assert Russian power or influence by military means is something that we've been seeing for a while." Similar flights, she said, have occurred near the coast of Norway, another NATO member, which shares a border with Russia. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380168

sorry for asking a dumb question. who's air space the Russian planes have been challenged? sorry for asking a dumb question. who's air space the Russian planes have been challenged?

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Report Copyright Violation Re: Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s Flights by Russian Tu-95 "Bear" bombers into what the United States considers its "defensive air space" have notably increased during the past six months, U.S. officials have said. The Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s and escorted in the other direction without incident, officials said.



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Tu-95 7 minute documentary video:



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Exactly!! Not a recon mission, whatsoever!



[link to www.aeronautics.ru] Exactly!! Not a recon mission, whatsoever!

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Exactly!! Not a recon mission, whatsoever!



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Russia resumes Soviet-era strategic bomber patrol flights: Putin



Moscow, Aug 18 (UNI) Russia has resumed the Soviet-era strategic bomber patrol flights on a permanent basis.



''Fourteen strategic missile carriers, support planes and tanker planes took off from seven Russian airfields in various parts of the country at 0000 hrs Moscow time on August 17. Combat alert has begun,'' President Vladimir Putin announced yesterday after the conclusion of anti-terrorist wargames, in Russia' s Chelyabinsk region.



The exercise was undertaken first time under the auspices of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). President Putin called for an understanding from other countries on Russia resuming the long range strategic bomber flights.



Since 1992, the Russian Federation unilaterally stopped flights of its strategic aviation in remote combat areas. However, not all of the countries followed the suit. This had created certain problems for Russia's security, he said.



''For that reason I had made the decision on the resumption of flights of Russian strategic aviation,'' Russian news agencies reported quoting the Russian President.



We proceed from the assumption that our partners would meet the resumption of such flights with an understanding, he added.



The planes that had scrambled would be in the air for 20 hours with refuelling and in interaction with the Navy, Putin said.



''I believe that our fliers sat too long. They made flights occasionally, for example, during strategic exercises, but now they are happy that they are beginning a new lease of life,'' he said.



Former Russian Air Force Chief General Pyotr Deinekin said the resumption of strategic bomber patrols would strengthen Russia's defence capability.



"It is a good thing that the old geopolitical setup has been revised. It used to be based on the principle, 'No one is going to attack us.' Practice testifies to the contrary,'' Mr Deinekin said.



Highlighting the new potential security threats Russia is currently facing, he said NATO fighters were based in the Baltic States while radar stations were being built around Russia's borders. Quoting: [link to news.oneindia.mobi]

*yar har fiddley dee

plunder the market 'cause a pirate is free* EDIT TO ADD: THIS ARTICLE IS FROM LAST AUGUST

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Moscow, Aug 18 (UNI) Russia has resumed the Soviet-era strategic bomber patrol flights on a permanent basis.



''Fourteen strategic missile carriers, support planes and tanker planes took off from seven Russian airfields in various parts of the country at 0000 hrs Moscow time on August 17. Combat alert has begun,'' President Vladimir Putin announced yesterday after the conclusion of anti-terrorist wargames, in Russia' s Chelyabinsk region.



The exercise was undertaken first time under the auspices of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO). President Putin called for an understanding from other countries on Russia resuming the long range strategic bomber flights.



Since 1992, the Russian Federation unilaterally stopped flights of its strategic aviation in remote combat areas. However, not all of the countries followed the suit. This had created certain problems for Russia's security, he said.



''For that reason I had made the decision on the resumption of flights of Russian strategic aviation,'' Russian news agencies reported quoting the Russian President.



We proceed from the assumption that our partners would meet the resumption of such flights with an understanding, he added.



The planes that had scrambled would be in the air for 20 hours with refuelling and in interaction with the Navy, Putin said.



''I believe that our fliers sat too long. They made flights occasionally, for example, during strategic exercises, but now they are happy that they are beginning a new lease of life,'' he said.



Former Russian Air Force Chief General Pyotr Deinekin said the resumption of strategic bomber patrols would strengthen Russia's defence capability.



"It is a good thing that the old geopolitical setup has been revised. It used to be based on the principle, 'No one is going to attack us.' Practice testifies to the contrary,'' Mr Deinekin said.



Highlighting the new potential security threats Russia is currently facing, he said NATO fighters were based in the Baltic States while radar stations were being built around Russia's borders.

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Thanks. This deserves it's own thread. Thanks. This deserves it's own thread.

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all the time during the cold war

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Exactly. It's called an intercept. Not a challenge. The article is totally ambiguous as to where exactly this happened, but you can bet money it was, if anything, a breach of the ADIZ and a routine scramble/intercept as a result. Nothing to see here folks--except more western propaganda. Why are you posting this here? Exactly. It's called an intercept. Not a challenge. The article is totally ambiguous as to where exactly this happened, but you can bet money it was, if anything, a breach of the ADIZ and a routine scramble/intercept as a result. Nothing to see here folks--except more western propaganda. Why are you posting this here?

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all the time during the cold war





Exactly. It's called an intercept. Not a challenge. The article is totally ambiguous as to where exactly this happened, but you can bet money it was, if anything, a breach of the ADIZ and a routine scramble/intercept as a result. Nothing to see here folks--except more western propaganda. Why are you posting this here?

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I post all kinds of information and let people decide/discern the truth or propaganda for themselves. I trust the intelligence here at GLP. Perhaps I shouldn't do that :)



I try not to believe ANYTHING I read as 99% of the time it's going to be BS coming out of any gov't controlled media. But, I take the info as a collective whole and see where pieces fit together from multiple, redundant, supporting references that may point to some real truth. I post all kinds of information and let people decide/discern the truth or propaganda for themselves. I trust the intelligence here at GLP. Perhaps I shouldn't do that :)I try not to believe ANYTHING I read as 99% of the time it's going to be BS coming out of any gov't controlled media. But, I take the info as a collective whole and see where pieces fit together from multiple, redundant, supporting references that may point to some real truth.

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08/19/2008 10:24 PM

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i got back from a Red Flag about 3 or 4 months ago in Alaska.



Alaska is the last frontier and we have a hell of an oil reserve on the north slope. we best be like furious dogs up there.

"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization

"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep" cool. :Di got back from a Red Flag about 3 or 4 months ago in Alaska.Alaska is the last frontier and we have a hell of an oil reserve on the north slope. we best be like furious dogs up there.

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08/19/2008 10:25 PM

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all the time during the cold war





Exactly. It's called an intercept. Not a challenge. The article is totally ambiguous as to where exactly this happened, but you can bet money it was, if anything, a breach of the ADIZ and a routine scramble/intercept as a result. Nothing to see here folks--except more western propaganda. Why are you posting this here?





I post all kinds of information and let people decide/discern the truth or propaganda for themselves. I trust the intelligence here at GLP. Perhaps I shouldn't do that :)



I try not to believe ANYTHING I read as 99% of the time it's going to be BS coming out of any gov't controlled media. But, I take the info as a collective whole and see where pieces fit together from multiple, redundant, supporting references that may point to some real truth.

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I also get tons of great info from people like you who know more than me if I simply post information that's true or BS. That's what's great about GLP. Tons of great info exchanged even over the most seemingly inane posts. I also get tons of great info from people like you who know more than me if I simply post information that's true or BS. That's what's great about GLP. Tons of great info exchanged even over the most seemingly inane posts.

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08/19/2008 10:37 PM

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Report Copyright Violation Re: Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s Exactly. It's called an intercept. Not a challenge. The article is totally ambiguous as to where exactly this happened, but you can bet money it was, if anything, a breach of the ADIZ and a routine scramble/intercept as a result. Nothing to see here folks--except more western propaganda. Why are you posting this here?

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Not to mention the Russian bombers were not being escorted by Russian fighter jets.



The chance of that encounter turning for the worse = 0.



Propaganda all the way. Not to mention the Russian bombers were not being escorted by Russian fighter jets.The chance of that encounter turning for the worse = 0.Propaganda all the way.

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08/19/2008 10:42 PM

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[link to www.air-attack.com]





OMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!



Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!





It's the moon, Zetatard.

f22 and tu95 picOMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!It's the moon, Zetatard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 487860



Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.



Zetas Rule, Haters Drool! Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!

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08/19/2008 11:26 PM

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Ha! Probably. Ha! Probably.

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08/19/2008 11:31 PM

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[link to www.air-attack.com]





OMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!



Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!





It's the moon, Zetatard.





Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.



Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!

f22 and tu95 picOMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!It's the moon, Zetatard.Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.Zetas Rule, Haters Drool! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 232336

It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!



So goes life.

Proud member of the conspiratorial twenty-first century nuns . . . It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!So goes life.

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08/19/2008 11:37 PM

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[link to www.air-attack.com]





OMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!



Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!





It's the moon, Zetatard.





Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.



Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!



It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!



So goes life.

f22 and tu95 picOMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!It's the moon, Zetatard.Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!So goes life. Quoting: TheChoirmaster



Question Nibiru! Question Nibiru!



How DARE you! Nancy has gone through so much, suffered so much and you DARE to question the existence of Nibiru.



You are a filthy turd not even fit to float in the toilet that is Nancy! Question Nibiru! Question Nibiru!How DARE you! Nancy has gone through so much, suffered so much and you DARE to question the existence of Nibiru.You are a filthy turd not even fit to float in the toilet that is Nancy!

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08/19/2008 11:39 PM

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[link to www.air-attack.com]





OMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!



Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!





It's the moon, Zetatard.





Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.



Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!



It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!



So goes life.





Question Nibiru! Question Nibiru!



How DARE you! Nancy has gone through so much, suffered so much and you DARE to question the existence of Nibiru.



You are a filthy turd not even fit to float in the toilet that is Nancy!

f22 and tu95 picOMG!!! Does anyone else see the UFO right above the f22!!Zetas right again!! ALIENS prevent WWIII!!!It's the moon, Zetatard.Shut the fuck up! It's obviously a UFO, or possibly Nibiru.Zetas Rule, Haters Drool!It's people like you that make me question the existence of Nibiru. I had such high hopes, and I'm not even high . . . You Zeta peeps have ruined it for me!So goes life.Question Nibiru! Question Nibiru!How DARE you! Nancy has gone through so much, suffered so much and you DARE to question the existence of Nibiru.You are a filthy turd not even fit to float in the toilet that is Nancy! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 232336

My, my . . . such love!

Proud member of the conspiratorial twenty-first century nuns . . . My, my . . . such love!

TheChoirmaster



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08/19/2008 11:41 PM

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BTW, do you realize that you just called dear Nancy a toilet?



I wonder what that makes you? Regardless, no wonder she's filled with filth and lies . . .

Proud member of the conspiratorial twenty-first century nuns . . . BTW, do you realize that you just called dear Nancy a toilet?I wonder what that makes you? Regardless, no wonder she's filled with filth and lies . . .

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08/19/2008 11:46 PM

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Well, you've gone and done it. I am going to have to report this disgusting and disgraceful insult to Nancy. If she brings it up in the Galatic Council, I can only imagine...



Nancy is full of mercy and compassion, but even she has her limits... Well, you've gone and done it. I am going to have to report this disgusting and disgraceful insult to Nancy. If she brings it up in the Galatic Council, I can only imagine...Nancy is full of mercy and compassion, but even she has her limits...

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08/19/2008 11:49 PM

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I think we should isolate them in a living hell of their own making. That is the only way they will learn.



I think we should isolate them in a living hell of their own making. That is the only way they will learn.

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08/20/2008 12:05 AM

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Report Copyright Violation Re: Russian planes have been challenged by Alaska-based F-22s and F-15s stop the doubletalk..................did russia invade alaska air space within the last few days or not.............be clear..

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There's never been any report of Russia invading Alaskan air space that I can find. They are simply flying patrols off the coast, which resumed last August. Did the U.S. piss them off over something last August? There's never been any report of Russia invading Alaskan air space that I can find. They are simply flying patrols off the coast, which resumed last August. Did the U.S. piss them off over something last August?