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Sr. MemberActivity: 406Merit: 250 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 06:33:02 AM #3 Quote from: SecureErase on June 09, 2014, 06:09:30 AM Is it safe to come out again?



I say this because on Sunday we saw the very worst of the so called 'Bitcoin Community' (apologies to most on this forum as probably the silent majority also watched) on both this forum and Reddit where literally hundreds of vitriolic, aggressive, threatening etc posts / conversations were sprayed out left right and center attacking the CEX.IO / GHash.IO entity, including death and violence threats to owners / users of that service.



It was totally pathetic and to me it showed one very good reason why Bitcoin has a lot of growing up to do. No, not because of the 51% issue (yes that does need to be addressed, but by the industry participants / guardians of the Bitcoin protocol themselves collaboratively) but because of the type of poisonous rhetoric that came forth over the past day or so. Just imagine a newbie to crypto currency having a look at this new opportunity doing a bit of research on the so called informative forums to be presented with the type of crap that was seen. They would quickly retreat back to the 'Yeh Mt.Gox and angry trolls is what Bitcoin is all about to me'



How can we have an industry grow and encourage innovation and expect mainstream uptake when companies that offer services people want to use get attacked and vilified because they are doing a good job and attracting customers over and above their competitors. Lets all attack Intel they have too many processors in the computer ecosystem, lets all attack Apple they have far too many mobile phones in the mobile ecosystem.



So for me, Bitcoin Community needs to learn a lesson from this and look at a way of collaboratively addressing the underlying issue.







Excellent post. The fear mongers screeching about this will scare many new users away. Of course as a community we pretty much treat new people like shit anyway for the most part. Excellent post. The fear mongers screeching about this will scare many new users away. Of course as a community we pretty much treat new people like shit anyway for the most part. ▓▓▓ BITMIXER.IO ▓▓▓ ▓▓▓ High Volume Bitcoin MIXER ▓▓▓

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LegendaryActivity: 1540Merit: 1000 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 07:33:03 AM #6 What posts? I barely noticed anything, mainly because I don't pay any attention to that kind of bullshit.



Honestly, we had the same rage about ASIC's awhile back if the longer term members remember, the reality is like with most 'board rage' over nothing it's about 20 people at most just spamming the shit out of the forums. It's only when you have thousands of people posting about it that you really need to worry.



Like with most rage surrounding Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, most of it is unjustified, misinformed or just completely stupid, have faith in mathematics, not in emotions.

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LegendaryActivity: 1232Merit: 1029 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 08:53:39 AM #9 In most part, your post is correct, but you have few errors that i would like to straight.



1) Yes, ppl are somethimes assholes. Well, truth be told, they are assholes most of the time. Whoever can't filter assholes from real stuff will have problem with anything online, not only BTC. I agree that BTC needs special kind of asshole / fud filter in place.

With that in mind, you should remember that 51% attack is direct attack on someones assets (your, mine, whoever has any BTC). It can render BTC useless or even kill it. So when threat appears that could damage so many, it's normaly that people that are assholes in their nature, go to turbo mode just to survive.

I wouldn't blame it on them (people) tho. 51% attack can be prevented on software side like some other alt coins. So basicly, what needs to be done, is to channel all that energy into improving BTC. making push on to devs to prevent 51% attack from evenr happening from software side.

What ghas.io situation is showing is that ASIC's are NOT good keepers of BTC network safety. Safety should be enforced on software side. Solutions are all around (some altoins), it's just question of will to implement them.

2) It's not Intel that has too many processors. It's ARM (google it, you'll find it really interesting).

3) Apple...really? Apple? No m8...again, it's Samsung. Apple lost it few years ago...it's Samsung now... https://www.bitcoin-hrvatska.com/forum

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LegendaryActivity: 1848Merit: 1034 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 09:32:08 AM #11 @SecureErase Its normal buddy. When a million people are dealing with a Billion dollar economy, it is expected. Look, now as Ghash.io is down to 32% in last 24 hours and Bitcoin is trading below 650 USD, everything is so calm India forum needs a moderator - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3125174.0

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Hero MemberActivity: 672Merit: 500 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 09:36:33 AM #12 Yeah I missed it too. How big was this? I saw a post last night and commented - after all it is not for the good of the community that any pool have 51%. The pool itself is compromising bitcoin by permitting this. That's not competition anymore.

Still, you've gotta love our community. We lash out sometimes, we have trolls to deal with other times, but hey - when I want a good opinion on bitcoin I come here and I know I'm gonna hear what people really think.

Even when I'm busy and I want to see if it is a good bitcoin day or a bad bitcoin day, I skim through the titles to see the general mood.

But yeah.. we should be nice to everybody.

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NewbieActivity: 20Merit: 0 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 09:52:36 AM #13 Quote from: Lethn on June 09, 2014, 07:33:03 AM What posts? I barely noticed anything, mainly because I don't pay any attention to that kind of bullshit.



Honestly, we had the same rage about ASIC's awhile back if the longer term members remember, the reality is like with most 'board rage' over nothing it's about 20 people at most just spamming the shit out of the forums. It's only when you have thousands of people posting about it that you really need to worry.



Like with most rage surrounding Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, most of it is unjustified, misinformed or just completely stupid, have faith in mathematics, not in emotions.



That is right.No one should look at this so bad,it happends all the time.Few bad things,a lot of good things. That is right.No one should look at this so bad,it happends all the time.Few bad things,a lot of good things.

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LegendaryActivity: 1106Merit: 1005 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 11:37:41 AM #15 The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc



In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.



To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.

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LegendaryActivity: 2884Merit: 1751 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 11:55:15 AM #16 Quote from: zimmah on June 09, 2014, 11:37:41 AM The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc



In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.



To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.

+1

and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.



sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.



and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.



the problem in is eyes is that we are all individuals, with our own opinions and own self control not paid PR staff with a single agenda.. which to me is the solution, not the problem +1and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.the problem in is eyes is that we are all individuals, with our own opinions and own self control not paid PR staff with a single agenda.. which to me is the solution, not the problem I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.

Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at

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Hero MemberActivity: 672Merit: 500 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 12:42:26 PM #17 Quote from: zimmah on June 09, 2014, 11:37:41 AM The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc



In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.



To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.



Bingo!

They say history repeats itself. Left to our utmost freedom we end up centralizing, We end up pushing the difficulty higher and higher because WE want to have the fastest miner, and it's a matter of time before we have bitcoin banks.



Bingo!They say history repeats itself. Left to our utmost freedom we end up centralizing, We end up pushing the difficulty higher and higher because WE want to have the fastest miner, and it's a matter of time before we have bitcoin banks.

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MemberActivity: 117Merit: 10 Re: The Bitcoin Community at its Worst June 09, 2014, 02:17:52 PM #18 Quote from: franky1 on June 09, 2014, 11:55:15 AM Quote from: zimmah on June 09, 2014, 11:37:41 AM The funny thing is that we are joining bitcoin because it's decentralized, but we still tend to prefer using the biggest exchange, the biggest pool, the biggest wallet. Etc



In essence we are centralizing a decentralized system by picking a favorite.



To truly keep bitcoin decentralized we should encourage competition. However to have competitors succeed the competitors should offer at least similar benefits than the most popular one, which can sometimes be hard.

+1

and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.



sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.



and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.



the problem in is eyes is that we are all individuals, with our own opinions and own self control not paid PR staff with a single agenda.. which to me is the solution, not the problem

+1and thats why a true bitcoiner SHOULD complain when something is at risk of being centralised and controlled.sitting back and letting things happen should be kept for the FIAT sheeple. although i never thought ghash had any intentions of doing anything nasty if/when they reach atleast 51% control, it should still be noted that we need to keep the network split apart between many pools.and as a personal note although i seen not that many actually insult ghash the other day i do like and find very amusing how the OP himself whinges about others whinging. and insults others for insulting. which makes himself part of his own problem.

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