

kapil

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Chicago, IL 1 edit kapil Member Moar? How much more does Snowden have left to leak? Good grief. He's like one of those cracked.com articles where a top-25 list takes 50 pages worth of clicks.



The quote from the huawei exec is spot on though....we have become what we feared. When your actions can be easily confused with those of an oppressive communist country, it's time to do some soul searching.



BonezX

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Canada 1 recommendation BonezX Premium Member Re: Moar? lots if it's plain text, it compresses quite well.

gaforces (banned)

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He said recently he has a lot more.

They can't pressure the company to give back door access so it's banned.

These NSA people are information junkies, just cant get enough.

It's like an obsession they are getting paid for.

They need an intervention.

Chubbysumo

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Its a strategy to keep this issue in the spotlight. If it loses its spotlight, especially in national media, he has lost. Many national news channels no longer run anything about him.



OldCableGuy2

@communications.net OldCableGuy2 Anon Re: Moar? What did he think would happen? People lose interest. He should have released the most damaging stuff up front, instead of waiting to the end. At this point 99% of non tech people are like "ugg that Asperger's guy again"



TOPDAWG

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national media wants this issue to die and stop covering it as it makes their saver Obama look bad.



wowpig

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Well the thing is he leaked one time, he gave it to news organizations and such and they are the ones stagnating the releases.

floydb1982

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Good grief how many documents did he take from the the NSA??? Shouldn't he have run out of new documents to hand out by now???



StuartMW

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join:2000-08-06 StuartMW Premium Member But not on us... said by Karl Bode: According to the New York Times, the NSA not only spied on Huawei, they worked tirelessly to exploit Huawei products so they could use them to spy on others:



But not on US citizens. They'd never do that!



/sarcasm off



Oh, wait... /sarcasm onBut not on US citizens. They'd never do/sarcasm offOh, wait...



GoNSA

@google.com GoNSA Anon Re: But not on us... Big difference. NSA spying for US. Huawei spying for China.

shrraga

join:2012-07-22 shrraga Member Re: But not on us... No evidence at all, which makes that a lie. As stated in the article "These allegations came despite numerous investigations finding no evidence whatsoever..." all kinds of evidence about the NSA being turdbags.



mixdup

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Atlanta, GA 1 recommendation mixdup Member eh Isn't this exactly what the NSA is charged to do? I mean, if they're not spying on foreigners, then what's the (nominal) point?

shrraga

join:2012-07-22 shrraga Member Re: eh CIA is the spy agency, NSA is meant to be more domestic, I think... and, CIA is a rogue agency, spying on congress (their only regulatory board) and destroying evidence that is in congress's hands... violating the much vaunted computer fraud and abuse act, impeding justice, hell-- CIA's recent actions may even qualify as treason.

dra6o0n

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Mississauga, ON dra6o0n Member Re: eh When's the next civil war? Although up till now the government noticed the growing hate and started taking weapons away, making laws to further weaken its citizen in case of something bad like corruption of the nation by allowing it to use the US military on itself.



jap

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038xx jap Premium Member Runs to trading service... ... sells all US/UK/Israel network tech stock, invests in Huawei.



OldCableGuy2

@communications.net OldCableGuy2 Anon Irresponsible Journalism This is highly irresponsible. We pay for the NSA to spy on our enemies and that includes China. I would, frankly, be concerned if the NSA wasn't doing things like this. Plastering this in the newspaper is just wrong.



I liked Snowden when he was talking about things happening against US citizens, but this has gone too far now.



Alakar

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Milwaukee, WI Alakar Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism I agree. Blowing the whistle on domestic spying is one thing, compromising foreign intelligence gathering is another.



jap

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said by OldCableGuy2 : We pay for the NSA to spy on our enemies and that includes China. I would, frankly, be concerned if the NSA wasn't doing things like this.



NSA was/is after Huawei equipment weaknesses because they're a major supplier. If Huawei was Mexican, Norwegian or Martian the NSA would do same. Only thing about Huawei being based in China is the distraction value of riling-up the Western peonage with Commie Pinko boogie man rhetoric. China is our enemy? Please. We use them as a primary lenderNSA was/is after Huawei equipment weaknesses because they're a major supplier. If Huawei was Mexican, Norwegian or Martian the NSA would do same. Only thing about Huawei being based in China is the distraction value of riling-up the Western peonage with Commie Pinko boogie man rhetoric.

elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism



Snowden is a douche, but he exposed weaknesses in data access, that the US needs to address, so it will make us stronger in the future.



If you think the Chinese, Germans, etc aren't doing the same you must live in Colorado.



The world is a delicate balance, and if the NSA isn't spying on everything, they are not doing their jobs.



Until we eliminate borders, the NSA are my guys, 100%.



If I had a dollar and had a choice if it went to my favorite spy agency or some guy in a bread line, I'd drop a dime on the guy in the bread line, and 90 cents to my spy Did you not get the memo? EVERY single country outside the US is a potential threat. Do you think Putin's old school grab of Crimea for gas or China pissing off Japan is all well and good.Snowden is a douche, but he exposed weaknesses in data access, that the US needs to address, so it will make us stronger in the future.If you think the Chinese, Germans, etc aren't doing the same you must live in Colorado.The world is a delicate balance, and if the NSA isn't spying on everything, they are not doing their jobs.Until we eliminate borders, the NSA are my guys, 100%.If I had a dollar and had a choice if it went to my favorite spy agency or some guy in a bread line, I'd drop a dime on the guy in the bread line, and 90 cents to my spy

Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO 1 recommendation Skippy25 Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism If by douche you mean an American hero for the US citizens and the US Constitution, I would certainly agree.



AmeriTaliban

@206.190.91.x AmeriTaliban Anon Re: Irresponsible Journalism Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if the Tea Party nuts would take a piece of land and form their own country?



It would probably be full of nothing but angry, bald white guys yelling at each other about the ways they misinterpret the "Holy Constitution."



Doesn't sound like a place I'd like to be at.





devolved

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sonicmerlin

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What you're saying is "he's doing it too mommy waaahhh!" While covering up your infantile vomit with pseudo patriotic garbage.



When did America go from a nation that stood up for the ideals of a "free world" to one overtaken with fear of the unknown, obsessed with the enemies lurking underneath the surface at every corner of the earth?



Where do people like you come from?

your moderator at work hidden :

CXM_Splicer

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Re: Irresponsible Journalism That is the silliest thing I have heard in a while. Capitalism isn't a political system, it is an economic system (more of a religion here in the US). There is nothing that requires or even implies different economic models to be 'enemies' of each other.



Probitas

@teksavvy.com Probitas Anon Re: Irresponsible Journalism Unless your government is practically owned by the corporations, then every country in the world becomes a de facto enemy viewed economically. When your business is worldwide, everyone who is not you is 'the enemy'.

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism By that logic all US corporations are also economic enemies of their customers, the government, and each other. Kind of waters down the meaning of 'enemies', don't you think?



Somehow, I don't think that was the definition OldCableGuy was aiming for. In the political arena, China is not our enemy.



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The US practices "corporatism" which is a mix of political and economic practices.



KrK

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Tulsa, OK KrK Premium Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism Exactly. It's really a mix of politics and the love of money.

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism What is that mix called again?? Oh yeah... Corruption.

devolved

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said by OldCableGuy2 : This is highly irresponsible. We pay for the NSA to spy on our enemies and that includes China. I would, frankly, be concerned if the NSA wasn't doing things like this. Plastering this in the newspaper is just wrong.



I liked Snowden when he was talking about things happening against US citizens, but this has gone too far now.



Now, I understand: this is an equipment supplier to many potential state enemies around the world, and finding a way to leverage flaws (or even insert them) in that equipment makes their task much easier.



But, does the end justify the means? What if the equipment supplier was Cisco, instead of Huawei? All of the same justifications apply, except for the attempt to tie them to the Chinese military. Would that still be acceptable? I'm torn about this. On the one hand, I agree with you -- this is what the NSA was chartered to do. But, I think they may have crossed the line by spying on a private business, instead of a potential state enemy.Now, I understand: this is an equipment supplier to many potential state enemies around the world, and finding a way to leverage flaws (or even insert them) in that equipment makes their task much easier.But, does the end justify the means? What if the equipment supplier was Cisco, instead of Huawei? All of the same justifications apply, except for the attempt to tie them to the Chinese military. Would that still be acceptable?



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said by OldCableGuy2 : This is highly irresponsible. We pay for the NSA to spy on our enemies and that includes China. I would, frankly, be concerned if the NSA wasn't doing things like this. Plastering this in the newspaper is just wrong.



I liked Snowden when he was talking about things happening against US citizens, but this has gone too far now.

Big difference. NSA spying for US. Huawei spying for China. +1Big difference. NSA spying for US. Huawei spying for China.

CXM_Splicer

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NYC CXM_Splicer Premium Member Re: Irresponsible Journalism How is that different? Both are syping on US citizens. I would expect that from China, not from the NSA.



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all right go US protect out rights by taking them away first then the enemy can't take away rights we've already lost.

axus

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Washington, DC axus Member Does this latest release show that Huawei is spying? So the NSA spied on Huawei communications, what did they find? Anything to support the claims about the Chinese government?



Obviously Huawei gear was insecure enough that the NSA could compromise them, but that's probably true of everything at the moment. U.S. gear has all those CALEA backdoors, what is the most secure system right now? I will laugh if it's DD-WRT.



tmh

@comcastbusiness.net tmh Anon Huawei routers ARE chock full of backdoors It's just the NSA's, not the Chinese. Either way, don't use them.

shrraga

join:2012-07-22 shrraga Member Re: Huawei routers ARE chock full of backdoors You can't use any other routers, they all have backdoors that the NSA planted, so obviously the answer is to not use the internet at all, and live in a straw hut in a remote mountain range, to escape that NSA spying.



tmh

@verizon.net tmh Anon Re: Huawei routers ARE chock full of backdoors OMG!



How did you find me?



I didn't know Huawei made straw.

TheGhost

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Lake Forest, IL TheGhost Premium Member US spy network did not notice chatter on Crimea It was stated elsewhere that the US saw the buildup of Russian forces along the Crimean border, did not catch any chatter about what was happening. Their "spy network" came up empty. You have to wonder if any of Snowden's documents aided the Russians, and any other countries, for that matter.

negritude

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Oakland, CA negritude Member Re: US spy network did not notice chatter on Crimea Did you not happen to notice that the president of Russia is ex-KGB? He's a paranoid who doesn't use computers or cell phones much because he knows what's possible. It doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out.

TheGhost

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Lake Forest, IL TheGhost Premium Member Re: US spy network did not notice chatter on Crimea Yes, I knew that, but he has be President of Russia for a while. The statements were made that the US had noticed the troop buildup, but did not notice any chatter, stated in a way where this was a new thing - that they had been able to pick up chatter / news before. I am not saying Snowden is the cause, but it is a coincidence. Maybe our NSA / CIA just got worse at spying on people.



RR Conductor

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RR Conductor Premium Member Traitor So, the guy leaks that we are spying on China, whom we are in a Cold War with, along with Russia, and he is a hero? Thanks for ratting your country out. I'm all for transparency in government, but some things need to be kept secret, would you have us share our Nuclear Weapons technology on Facebook too?