Rep. Jim Himes stopped by Fox News’ Monday broadcast of “Tucker Carlson Tonight” to discuss surveillance of Trump Tower, which President Trump claimed was carried out by the Obama administration during the 2016 election.

Only minutes into the interview, the Connecticut Democrat accused Carlson of mis-categorizing any surveillance performed on private citizens as “spying,” when it’s really “law enforcement.” (VIDEO: Josh Earnest Won’t Deny Trump Tower Was Surveilled By Obama Administration)

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“You used the word ‘spying,’ and I don’t know what that means,” Himes, who sits on the House Intelligence Community, told Carlson. “Is that what police do when they’re listening in on drug dealers and child molesters?”

“Yes, and sometimes it’s justified, and sometimes it isn’t,” Carlson responded. “But let’s call it what it is.”

“No, spying is when we go to Russia and try to recruit Russian generals into giving us Russian secrets,” Himes countered. “When law enforcement is listening to anybody, it’s law enforcement.”

You can watch the entire interview below.

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