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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::231]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l192si22903752wmg.121.2015.12.20.16.49.30 for <john.podesta@gmail.com> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tgoff@hillaryclinton.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::231; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tgoff@hillaryclinton.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tgoff@hillaryclinton.com; dkim=pass header.i=@hillaryclinton.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=hillaryclinton.com Received: by mail-wm0-x231.google.com with SMTP id l126so48310735wml.1 for <john.podesta@gmail.com>; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hillaryclinton.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=P8I4SI1Coyv3g5sf3bux/wQUe+JfIggzseL8AEwEhqw=; b=HJ0usHyB0RIpwdcgUK/ByhV6LHfdnKY+0n00ZVUBd7bmzybI5HOhOcNYu7OZ1fcn38 c7+UWewj1WyHgFoNqCtTYcHlRgcyFitHSWTJ5w8gCGiy6WQPiznROKKwk1XonvwYZVHb IZYOtLEUGffSQ1SD7Oo5Ya2WPp9IdyQRSEAIE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=P8I4SI1Coyv3g5sf3bux/wQUe+JfIggzseL8AEwEhqw=; b=a4oPepr7Es0HlRcS0+sZdnmeIlTcQi2tU+DGP2VgY6/CYgFiXPR/HrQFEkPMqVRrU+ mdtWGGYmtD0dFNuLLkXosDTJrwtVxO4oy4S754L8HOkHmsSmZaT9qL1TUPskcWgH0ecw 0qjZPxPb6gYsdfOxbnMCmw8PKk7eD3udBWaLHgKHSuBgJzPhjGWBtHdYsVb2EB7vgFhr PpzmwBwLt2YHqQNLSKmom+HMorUsLjd42MRJVF1do+blP16XQ2ro4T2W19/QHZr9/LVJ a107L8ep1+sSUvpPO6zV7Hhv0E9sR06NjPkjYRpa6l6qv6I8UzDJZ8ztMHUjqvuTx0o8 95sg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnFcu+wvlsuwvClJBfXBsIw00rcGzne8RuQVD3NjDUw9pdLlEekmyP3K0FqEWe1+j86HC5PfjUjxsuHz1qwZI5hUQhqewY7UEUwafdBe0EvIBotNho= X-Received: by 10.28.18.9 with SMTP id 9mr16164726wms.96.1450658970857; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:49:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.203.137 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2015 16:49:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5756511121517458877@unknownmsgid> References: <5756511121517458877@unknownmsgid> From: Teddy Goff <tgoff@hillaryclinton.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 19:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: <CADHYb1-udSFvb2Mfp-cdie1YNudnBovBY_de2L7+DvrPB1dCgw@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: So... To: Sara Solow <ssolow@hillaryclinton.com>, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> CC: Jake Sullivan <jsullivan@hillaryclinton.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1145bd10a628c905275ddce3 --001a1145bd10a628c905275ddce3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 adding john too, a fellow crypto hobbyist. (john may be something more than a hobbyist.) i think it was fine, a solid B/B+. john tells me that he has actually heard nice things from friends of ours in SV, which is rare! i do think that "i would not want to go to that point" got overshadowed in some circles by the "some way to break in" thing -- which does seem to portend some sort of mandate or other anti-encryption policy, and also reinforces the the ideological gap -- and then, more atmospherically, by the manhattan project analogy (which we truly, truly should not make ever again -- can we work on pressing that point somehow?) and the cringe-y "i don't understand all the technology" line, which i also think does not help and we should avoid saying going forward. speaking of not understanding the technology, there is a critical technical point which our current language around encryption makes plain she isn't aware of. open-source unencrypted messaging technologies are in the public domain. there is literally no way to put that genie back in the bottle. so we can try to compel a whatsapp to unencrypt, but that may only have the effect of pushing terrorists onto emergent encrypted platforms. i do think going forward it will be helpful to be able to refer to her having pledged not to mandate a backdoor as president. but we've got to iron out the rest of the message. i actually do believe there is a way to thread the needle here, which i am happy to discuss; it requires us to quickly pivot from encryption to the broader issue of working with tech companies to detect and stop these people, and not getting into the weeds of which app they happen to use and that sort of thing. On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Sara Solow <ssolow@hillaryclinton.com> wrote: > She basically said no mandatory back doors last night ("I would not > want to go to that point"). In the next paragraph she then said some > not-so-great stuff -- about there having to be "some way" to "break > into" encrypted content-- but then she again said "a backdoor may be > the wrong door." > > Please let us know what you hear from your folks. I would think they > would be happy -- she's certainly NOT calling for the backdoor now -- > although she does then appear to believe there is "some way" to do the > impossible. > > Full transcript below - I can't cut and paste the tech part from my phone > > http://time.com/4156144/transcript-read-the-full-text-of-the-third-democratic-debate-in-new-hampshire/ > --001a1145bd10a628c905275ddce3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">adding john too, a fellow crypto hobbyist. (john may be so= mething more than a hobbyist.)<div><br></div><div>i think it was fine, a so= lid B/B+. john tells me that he has actually heard nice things from friends= of ours in SV, which is rare! i do think that "i would not want to go= to that point" got overshadowed in some circles by the "some way= to break in" thing -- which does seem to portend some sort of mandate= or other anti-encryption policy, and also reinforces the the ideological g= ap -- and then, more atmospherically, by the manhattan project analogy (whi= ch we truly, truly should not make ever again -- can we work on pressing th= at point somehow?) and the cringe-y "i don't understand all the te= chnology" line, which i also think does not help and we should avoid s= aying going forward.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>speaking of not understanding= the technology, there is a critical technical point which our current lang= uage around encryption makes plain she isn't aware of. open-source unen= crypted messaging technologies are in the public domain. there is literally= no way to put that genie back in the bottle. so we can try to compel a wha= tsapp to unencrypt, but that may only have the effect of pushing terrorists= onto emergent encrypted platforms.</div><div><br></div><div>i do think goi= ng forward it will be helpful to be able to refer to her having pledged not= to mandate a backdoor as president. but we've got to iron out the rest= of the message. i actually do believe there is a way to thread the needle = here, which i am happy to discuss; it requires us to quickly pivot from enc= ryption to the broader issue of working with tech companies to detect and s= top these people, and not getting into the weeds of which app they happen t= o use and that sort of thing.=C2=A0</div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex= tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Sara S= olow <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ssolow@hillaryclinton.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">ssolow@hillaryclinton.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquo= te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so= lid;padding-left:1ex">She basically said no mandatory back doors last night= ("I would not<br> want to go to that point").=C2=A0 In the next paragraph she then said = some<br> not-so-great stuff -- about there having to be "some way" to &quo= t;break<br> into" encrypted content-- but then she again said "a backdoor may= be<br> the wrong door."<br> <br> Please let us know what you hear from your folks. I would think they<br> would be happy -- she's certainly NOT calling for the backdoor now --<b= r> although she does then appear to believe there is "some way" to d= o the<br> impossible.<br> <br> Full transcript below - I can't cut and paste the tech part from my pho= ne<br> <a href=3D"http://time.com/4156144/transcript-read-the-full-text-of-the-thi= rd-democratic-debate-in-new-hampshire/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank= ">http://time.com/4156144/transcript-read-the-full-text-of-the-third-democr= atic-debate-in-new-hampshire/</a><br> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a1145bd10a628c905275ddce3--