Jeff: Yes, we have unicorns! There are genetically gifted people of every ethnicity — there's no question about that. But it doesn't adjust the larger reality that we live in a culture in which the basic standards — not the ones we can aspire to, not the ones that if we gym-ratted all of our lives, and we're born with the right parents — like the basic standards of what an Asian guy looks like probably falls short in different ways.

Parvesh: We know we can easily go to, like, a modeling agency and get the people who are equally ripped as any other ethnicity and they'd be perfect for this. But what we're seeing is these four guys who are of just normal people. And we don't see that in regular underwear ads.