Transcript for Powerhouse Roundtable: Trump's 'shifting stories' on Russia 'are a problem'

Roundtable is Ince. Ined by chrchristie, former governor of New Jersey, so now on news contbutor. Patrick Gaspard, president of the open stiion, also democratic strategist, worked for president Obama. Writer on litics rig now. And Amanda carpenter, welcome to as well, rublican strategist. I want to get right into it. We just hefrom Jay sekulow. You're also the author of "Gaslighting America." I wantat out the elwe just hed Jay sekuw and this hasn part of E pattern for the whole week. Llusion didn'tpen. It did happen it's not a problem. Thing to TRE with th tower meetg. Wi that hold? We're going to see how the facts play out, geor Wyers arg the a all the time. There was no collu, but even if there was, E's no cri. This is not unusual. There was loof hubbub mayor Giuliani said it for the first time. It's lawyerguing theative. 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