medi01 AMD's Jim Taylor said "we are as close to Intel as we've never been", so nope, definitely not in high end.

I couldn't care less about high end though.

It depends what we, the ordinary folk, call high end. I know Intel view high end as it's HEDT market but to me it's now more and more apparent, HEDT is a piece of crap for 90% of people. For gaming HEDT is a dead weight I've seen no good reason to support anything anymore from Intel that is more than 4 cores.Sure for thread intensive work but that's a small minority of users. So, if Zen matches what the like of Skylake can do, that would be good. That being said, does Zen not come in a package that can be added upon to make multi threaded monsters (like uber skulltrail mobo's?).I'm just pissed we wont see Zen till 2017 (probably, going on rumours so far). My patience will run out by November.EDIT: I need to learn how to type - so many edits in this one bloody post.