ultra_v1olence Profile Joined April 2015 Russian Federation 8 Posts #1



About Majors and Jacky Mao.



Jacky Mao has made a blog where he wrote a quite messy stream of consciousness about the current state of tournaments on Dota 2 competitive scene and his hopes for upcoming major events, which will be held by Valve from this autumn.

I will talk about majors later, let's now talk about the blog and Jacky himself.

In fact, he is not alone with his point of view. Many pro players, such as Funn1k, members of Team Secret and so on, frequently complain of tournaments, organizations, sponsors, etc. Even I used to do this during my career of pro player, because your rights must be defended and criticism leads to progress.

But recently the subject of dissatisfaction has slightly changed. At some point a number of people started to demand too much and complain with and without a reason. The cause is clear – all eminent pro players have visited The International and have seen how a tournament can and, maybe, should look like with their very own eyes. These people can write big blogs and think while playing Dota, but they always forget (possibly because of sclerosis) that TI is held by Valve, a billion dollar company, whereas other tournaments are not.

Some tournament organizers just can't provide everything that Valve do, isn't it clear? So, why pro players continue to write blogs about private washrooms, trailers and fresh fruits in the room? If you always want to be satisfied, participate in TI only, what's your problem? Oh, yes... You want to earn money all the year round, you need to show off in order to keep audience on your streams. What's more, all your fans would disappear then, 'cause why should they support a team that don't play anywhere?

So, you need these tournaments, but all of them are shit, and you play there only because you need something to eat, right? Oh, what a pity! Didn't you know that a lot of people do work they don't like for the same reasons? Didn't you think that playing is your job and this is not always a pleasure? Or are you going to stick to the same “we are some young boys who just want to play Dota”? If so, then play pubs only. If not, then shut up, sissies.

I do not declare that players must participate in every tournament they are asked to. No, no, no, they are not slaves. I always say that tournaments should be organized properly and professionally. But you need to consider that the scene is growing rapidly and unevenly. Organizers just physically can't satisfy all players' demands, because their abilities are limited by sponsors. In 2014 sponsor could give $100 and no one was complaining, right now he should give $500 for a private shithouse, limousine and a five-star hotel for superstars, but he is unable to see the difference yet (does this difference exist at all?) So, he wants to continue to give $100.

Some day the growth of the scene will end, everything will be in place and e-Sports will finally become a real sport. But this is going to happen in 7-10 years, I assume. Right now we are put into a constantly developing organism, and this organism may experience some incorrect mutations, but don't worry, Jacky, we are going to deal with them. Just be glad that you became a part of this organism relatively late. You didn't participate in some tournaments held in a basement with $1000 prize fund, you didn't borrow money from your parents and friends to go and play there, you didn't receive $100 as a monthly payment from your organization. Jacky, you came when all was ready and you still complain. But anyway, we believe in you, Jacky, we think that you'll be able to endure for like five more years. Just stand, Jacky, and everything will be as you wish. Just stand...



So, how are majors connected with all of this? Let me explain. Right now Valve is the only company that can organize a series of tournaments and leave everyone, even Jacky Mao, satisfied. I hope that Valve will handle everything by itself and do everything properly, and e-Sports will finally become a few steps closer to the big sport.



Thank you for your attention.







This is a traslation of the blog that NS wrote earlier today: a reply to EternalEnVy's blog about tounament issues. Jacky Mao has made a blog where he wrote a quite messy stream of consciousness about the current state of tournaments on Dota 2 competitive scene and his hopes for upcoming major events, which will be held by Valve from this autumn.I will talk about majors later, let's now talk about the blog and Jacky himself.In fact, he is not alone with his point of view. Many pro players, such as Funn1k, members of Team Secret and so on, frequently complain of tournaments, organizations, sponsors, etc. Even I used to do this during my career of pro player, because your rights must be defended and criticism leads to progress.But recently the subject of dissatisfaction has slightly changed. At some point a number of people started to demand too much and complain with and without a reason. The cause is clear – all eminent pro players have visited The International and have seen how a tournament can and, maybe, should look like with their very own eyes. These people can write big blogs and think while playing Dota, but they always forget (possibly because of sclerosis) that TI is held by Valve, a billion dollar company, whereas other tournaments are not.Some tournament organizers just can't provide everything that Valve do, isn't it clear? So, why pro players continue to write blogs about private washrooms, trailers and fresh fruits in the room? If you always want to be satisfied, participate in TI only, what's your problem? Oh, yes... You want to earn money all the year round, you need to show off in order to keep audience on your streams. What's more, all your fans would disappear then, 'cause why should they support a team that don't play anywhere?So, you need these tournaments, but all of them are shit, and you play there only because you need something to eat, right? Oh, what a pity! Didn't you know that a lot of people do work they don't like for the same reasons? Didn't you think that playing is your job and this is not always a pleasure? Or are you going to stick to the same “we are some young boys who just want to play Dota”? If so, then play pubs only. If not, then shut up, sissies.I do not declare that players must participate in every tournament they are asked to. No, no, no, they are not slaves. I always say that tournaments should be organized properly and professionally. But you need to consider that the scene is growing rapidly and unevenly. Organizers just physically can't satisfy all players' demands, because their abilities are limited by sponsors. In 2014 sponsor could give $100 and no one was complaining, right now he should give $500 for a private shithouse, limousine and a five-star hotel for superstars, but he is unable to see the difference yet (does this difference exist at all?) So, he wants to continue to give $100.Some day the growth of the scene will end, everything will be in place and e-Sports will finally become a real sport. But this is going to happen in 7-10 years, I assume. Right now we are put into a constantly developing organism, and this organism may experience some incorrect mutations, but don't worry, Jacky, we are going to deal with them. Just be glad that you became a part of this organism relatively late. You didn't participate in some tournaments held in a basement with $1000 prize fund, you didn't borrow money from your parents and friends to go and play there, you didn't receive $100 as a monthly payment from your organization. Jacky, you came when all was ready and you still complain. But anyway, we believe in you, Jacky, we think that you'll be able to endure for like five more years. Just stand, Jacky, and everything will be as you wish. Just stand...So, how are majors connected with all of this? Let me explain. Right now Valve is the only company that can organize a series of tournaments and leave everyone, even Jacky Mao, satisfied. I hope that Valve will handle everything by itself and do everything properly, and e-Sports will finally become a few steps closer to the big sport.Thank you for your attention. No mercy today, if you please.

StarVe Profile Joined June 2011 Germany 1309 Posts #2 Thanks for translating!

ultra_v1olence Profile Joined April 2015 Russian Federation 8 Posts #3 On April 30 2015 09:26 StarVe wrote:

Thanks for translating!



No problem! Glad I could help. No problem! Glad I could help. No mercy today, if you please.

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts #4 Pretty much. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

greebosnabble Profile Joined April 2014 253 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-30 00:51:14 #5 It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts #6 On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

greebosnabble Profile Joined April 2014 253 Posts #7 On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts #8 On April 30 2015 09:56 greebosnabble wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

Ah well not only is that a totally representative simplification of what's been said but definitely delegitimizes his point. Ah well not only is that a totally representative simplification of what's been said but definitely delegitimizes his point. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

TheEmulator Profile Joined July 2010 12999 Posts #9 I'm just going to say that pic at the end is awesome. Administrator

ultra_v1olence Profile Joined April 2015 Russian Federation 8 Posts #10 On April 30 2015 10:00 TheEmulator wrote:

I'm just going to say that pic at the end is awesome.



Not mine tho Not mine tho No mercy today, if you please.

Churrass Profile Joined October 2013 564 Posts #11 On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



this is the internet, attacking the person instead of the arguments is the norm this is the internet, attacking the person instead of the arguments is the norm

greebosnabble Profile Joined April 2014 253 Posts Last Edited: 2015-04-30 01:49:27 #12 On April 30 2015 10:17 Churrass wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



this is the internet, attacking the person instead of the arguments is the norm this is the internet, attacking the person instead of the arguments is the norm



What arguments? NS doesn't have any arguments. He's just saying -- it's not perfect, it used to be way worse, if you're not happy, suck it up. He doesn't address any of envy's points about private bathrooms, respect, or speaker placement -- none of which require exorbitant amounts of money. He just attacks strawmen by saying that envy wants limosines and 5 star hotels. What arguments? NS doesn't have any arguments. He's just saying -- it's not perfect, it used to be way worse, if you're not happy, suck it up. He doesn't address any of envy's points about private bathrooms, respect, or speaker placement -- none of which require exorbitant amounts of money. He just attacks strawmen by saying that envy wants limosines and 5 star hotels.

OmniEulogy Profile Joined July 2010 Canada 3016 Posts #13 On April 30 2015 09:56 greebosnabble wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.



just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol Front Page Lead

Heyoka Profile Joined March 2008 Temple of EE-Sama 2467 Posts #14 Thanks for bringing it to us :D @RealHeyoka | DreamHack StarCrafty Man

aboxcar Profile Joined May 2013 United States 403 Posts #15 Envy is a special person... I'm surprised everyone takes it so seriously



there will always be people who complain, you will never please everyone



everything that rises must converge everything that rises must converge

goody153 Profile Joined April 2013 33366 Posts #16



hahaha the picture is hilarious On April 30 2015 11:20 aboxcar wrote:

Envy is a special person... I'm surprised everyone takes it so seriously



there will always be people who complain, you will never please everyone



everything that rises must converge

that's because he is very serious and actually complain rather than sit by and accept however other pros would normally just accept whatever is given to them that's because he is very serious and actually complain rather than sit by and accept however other pros would normally just accept whatever is given to them this is a quote

HighTimeDotA Profile Joined May 2014 Canada 1412 Posts #17 typical scrub looking for publicity and flaming our great eesama. atleast do it faster like that awful caster who thinks hes a good player and has insightful things to say. rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.

Alpino Profile Joined June 2011 Brazil 1571 Posts #18 On April 30 2015 11:03 OmniEulogy wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:56 greebosnabble wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.



just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol



Definitely doesnt mean he's wrong, but it's pretty cowardly to strawman envy's argument in a way that it perfectly matches the hate bandwagon and keep taking jab after jab while talking about a strawman, whatever Definitely doesnt mean he's wrong, but it's pretty cowardly to strawman envy's argument in a way that it perfectly matches the hate bandwagon and keep taking jab after jab while talking about a strawman, whatever 20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember

a-game Profile Joined December 2004 Canada 406 Posts #19 On April 30 2015 11:03 OmniEulogy wrote:

Show nested quote +

On April 30 2015 09:56 greebosnabble wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:51 FHDH wrote:

On April 30 2015 09:50 greebosnabble wrote:

It's not like NS is an angel when it comes to complaints either. After TI4, he claimed that MVP Phoenix looked at their private match histories on computers in the player lounge when they were afk, without proof of course. That's a much more serious unproven accusation than anything that EE's done.

I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good. I'm curious how these two things are even remotely related but it's all good.



He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.

He's telling EE and others to "shut up sissies", when he blamed his loss to MVP on unethical behavior without any proof. That's much worse whining than what EE's doing -- NS is a huge hypocrite.



just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol just because he's a hypocrite doesn't make him wrong. lol

i feel like engaging in hypocrisy weakens your position quite a bit



"do as i say, not as i do" has never been a resoundingly persuasive tactic i feel like engaging in hypocrisy weakens your position quite a bit"do as i say, not as i do" has never been a resoundingly persuasive tactic you wouldnt feel that way if it was your magical sword of mantouchery that got stolen - racebannon • I am merely guest #13,678!

evanthebouncy! Profile Joined June 2006 United States 1886 Posts #20 a teenage girl complaining there is no wifi on the bus

an old man scolds her because back in the days there wasn't even a bus



both are right and wrong at the same time, really. Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!

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