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LegendaryActivity: 902Merit: 1002 Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 09:26:06 PM #261 Quote from: cytokine on September 19, 2012, 09:12:09 PM



Honestly, I'm not ready to throw the towel on supporting bitcoin businesses/startups yet, and I (like you) will be putting better policies into place, but to be honest I'm getting really sick of bitcoin right now with the insane magnitude of scamming going on. It's making it impossible for me to conduct business and almost making me miss the normal stock market. First pirate with 5 million USD, and now Alberto with over 100K USD. And of course Matthew's million-dollar bet and the whole REBATE and ZIP.A fiasco.



The one thing I know for certain is that something major absolutely needs to form to help protect investors against scammers. If scammers are afraid to scam, they won't do it - period. I'm not sure what that is yet, but without the ability to enforce contracts and pursue justice against criminals, I don't see how to effectively bootstrap an economy around bitcoin.

That's the problem, if we don't get serious with scammers, they will get away with it, again and again.Honestly, I'm not ready to throw the towel on supporting bitcoin businesses/startups yet, and I (like you) will be putting better policies into place, but to be honest I'm getting really sick of bitcoin right now with the insane magnitude of scamming going on. It's making it impossible for me to conduct business and almost making me miss the normal stock market. First pirate with 5 million USD, and now Alberto with over 100K USD. And of course Matthew's million-dollar bet and the whole REBATE and ZIP.A fiasco.The one thing I know for certain is that something major absolutely needs to form to help protect investors against scammers. If scammers are afraid to scam, they won't do it - period. I'm not sure what that is yet, but without the ability to enforce contracts and pursue justice against criminals, I don't see how to effectively bootstrap an economy around bitcoin.

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Im pretty surprised, that there is not already one attorney jumping in. Someone in her must have that profession or a close friend with that profession. Maybe its too complicated because of the global scale these scams happen. Where to file the suit? Can the attorney practise law there? How to gather the informations of all customers? ... Alot of work... +1Im pretty surprised, that there is not already one attorney jumping in. Someone in her must have that profession or a close friend with that profession. Maybe its too complicated because of the global scale these scams happen. Where to file the suit? Can the attorney practise law there? How to gather the informations of all customers? ... Alot of work...

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LegendaryActivity: 2618Merit: 1038 Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 09:42:59 PM #263 You are using simulated money to simulate stocks and bonds on a simulation of a stock-exchange; that much is obvious from the fact that you are not violating sheafs of laws by offering real securities and charging real money for them.



That view is part of why I took the approach of first creating an entire backdrop universe in which to situate simulated stock-exchanges; because once your offender is a simulated person in the same simulated universe as the simulated stock exchange, with simulated collateral seizable by simulated troops or nuke-able by simulated nuclear weapons or vaporise-able by simulated death-stars you do have the ability to strike back, because anyone who has enough collateral to secure funding from you has to have either invested many years or at least many thousands of hours building that collateral, or to have "cheated" by spending Earth money to "buy their way to success in the game"; either way they have something you can have your nation go to war against their nation to strike at, or a character your assassin character can sneak up behind and kill, or whatever.



But continue along this road farther... Remember the guy in the U.K. that got nailed for stealing simulated (virtual) poker chips from an online casino?



It so happens the chips used to simulate money in our simulations are stealable, due to the manner in which they are implemented.



When people pay real Earth money to get ahead in the game, they often do so largely by buying these chips, known as bitcoins.



So these chips have an established value...



In the U.K. at least, stealing them should be clearly a crime just as stealing those poker chips was.



Not sure what precedent applies in other places, though urban legend has rumours of Habbo Hotel furniture theft having been prosecuted somewhere...



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LegendaryActivity: 1078Merit: 1001 Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 10:08:25 PM #269 I can't believe how hypocritical this sort of action is Nefario. Well I guess it depends on what you believe because I am not really sure about your beliefs, but if you are a proponent of a peaceful prosperous society that governs itself without a small gang of thugs that enforces their arbitrary rules through violence, I just can't understand how you want to have a business that doesn't follow their rules and yet use their violence to for your own personal egandas.



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Hero MemberActivity: 602Merit: 502GLBSE Support support@glbse.com Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 10:12:49 PM #270 Quote from: hazek on September 19, 2012, 10:08:25 PM I can't believe how hypocritical this sort of action is Nefario. Well I guess it depends on what you believe because I am not really sure about your beliefs, but if you are a proponent of a peaceful prosperous society that governs itself without a small gang of thugs that enforces their arbitrary rules through violence, I just can't understand how you want to have a business that doesn't follow their rules and yet use their violence to for your own personal egandas.



There's a peaceful way to solve this problem.



Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.



Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.



The publishing of it has two purposes,

1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),

2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.



The rest of your post doesn't make much sense. Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.The publishing of it has two purposes,1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.The rest of your post doesn't make much sense.



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LegendaryActivity: 1078Merit: 1001 Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 10:15:35 PM #271 Quote from: Nefario on September 19, 2012, 10:12:49 PM Quote from: hazek on September 19, 2012, 10:08:25 PM I can't believe how hypocritical this sort of action is Nefario. Well I guess it depends on what you believe because I am not really sure about your beliefs, but if you are a proponent of a peaceful prosperous society that governs itself without a small gang of thugs that enforces their arbitrary rules through violence, I just can't understand how you want to have a business that doesn't follow their rules and yet use their violence to for your own personal egandas.



There's a peaceful way to solve this problem.



Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.



Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.



The publishing of it has two purposes,

1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),

2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.



The rest of your post doesn't make much sense.

Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.The publishing of it has two purposes,1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.The rest of your post doesn't make much sense.

Oh I'm sorry, I assumed by prosecution you meant use police and the justice system i.e. the small group of thugs that enforce their rules through violence i.e. the government's aparatus to hunt the man down, kidnap him and imprison him i.e. use violence to punish him.



Did you have something else in mind with "prosecution"? Oh I'm sorry, I assumed by prosecution you meant use police and the justice system i.e. the small group of thugs that enforce their rules through violence i.e. the government's aparatus to hunt the man down, kidnap him and imprison him i.e. use violence to punish him.Did you have something else in mind with "prosecution"? My personality type: INTJ - please forgive my weaknesses (Not naturally in tune with others feelings; may be insensitive at times, tend to respond to conflict with logic and reason, tend to believe I'm always right)



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LegendaryActivity: 1078Merit: 1001 Re: [GLBSE] BDT - 3% weekly interest bond, backed by Bitdaytrade September 19, 2012, 10:19:45 PM #273 Quote from: Nefario on September 19, 2012, 10:17:50 PM Quote from: hazek on September 19, 2012, 10:15:35 PM Quote from: Nefario on September 19, 2012, 10:12:49 PM Quote from: hazek on September 19, 2012, 10:08:25 PM I can't believe how hypocritical this sort of action is Nefario. Well I guess it depends on what you believe because I am not really sure about your beliefs, but if you are a proponent of a peaceful prosperous society that governs itself without a small gang of thugs that enforces their arbitrary rules through violence, I just can't understand how you want to have a business that doesn't follow their rules and yet use their violence to for your own personal egandas.



There's a peaceful way to solve this problem.



Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.



Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.



The publishing of it has two purposes,

1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),

2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.



The rest of your post doesn't make much sense.

Whoa whoa whoa there, what are you talking about violence for.Alberto agreed to have this information published if he scammed shareholders or ran off with their BTC.The publishing of it has two purposes,1) to prevent him from being able to do it again as everyone knows who he is(he can't re-invent himself),2) to make it easier for us to find him and prosecute him, for fraud.The rest of your post doesn't make much sense.

Oh I'm sorry, I assumed by prosecution you meant use police and the justice system i.e. the small group of thugs that enforce their rules through violence i.e. the government's aparatus to hunt the man down, kidnap him and imprison him i.e. use violence to punish him.



Did you have something else in mind with "prosecution"?

Oh I'm sorry, I assumed by prosecution you meant use police and the justice system i.e. the small group of thugs that enforce their rules through violence i.e. the government's aparatus to hunt the man down, kidnap him and imprison him i.e. use violence to punish him.Did you have something else in mind with "prosecution"?

I did, what I meant was I was going to go there and lick him until he gives back the bitcoins.

I did, what I meant was I was going to go there and lick him until he gives back the bitcoins.

I'll take that as me correctly assuming what you had in mind. So do you support the government then in general and are following all their rules with GLBSE? Paying taxes? ect? I'll take that as me correctly assuming what you had in mind. So do you support the government then in general and are following all their rules with GLBSE? Paying taxes? ect? My personality type: INTJ - please forgive my weaknesses (Not naturally in tune with others feelings; may be insensitive at times, tend to respond to conflict with logic and reason, tend to believe I'm always right)



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