Shrinkzxo Profile Joined August 2014 Dotoland 268 Posts Last Edited: 2016-07-13 22:14:40 #1 Manager of Ehome:

'Major restructure'



Ehome's manager, Galahad, has recently



Here is his tweet in full:



(I) heard that there won't be seasonal Majors next year. But Valve will pick some big tournament organisers like ESL and PGL to do CS:GO-like big tournaments. Valve will still provide the prize money. But the essence is that they will outsource the Majors and Valve will not provide the money of organising. Dota2 will have a Hall of Fame, which will select players that shone in the past. But the entrees must have retired for a year.

UPDATE: Cyborgmatt has

Ehome's manager, Galahad, has recently tweeted on weibo that he had 'heard' that Valve had decided to cancel Majors and run a new structure of tournaments. Also, he revealed that an official Hall of Fame is on the cards, with a condition that the Hall of Famer must have retired for a year.Here is his tweet in full:(I) heard that there won't be seasonal Majors next year. But Valve will pick some big tournament organisers like ESL and PGL to do CS:GO-like big tournaments. Valve will still provide the prize money. But the essence is that they will outsource the Majors and Valve will not provide the money of organising. Dota2 will have a Hall of Fame, which will select players that shone in the past. But the entrees must have retired for a year.Cyborgmatt has replied to the reddit post on this issue claiming that he is "Pretty sure this isn't a thing." There are, of course, still no official statements/confirmations pointing in either direction. Translator https://twitter.com/shrinkzxo

midou Profile Joined April 2008 Bulgaria 843 Posts #2 I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

WindWolf Profile Joined July 2012 Sweden 5927 Posts #3



I don't like this. Manilla was so good. On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. EZ4ENCE

Rotse Profile Joined May 2014 Netherlands 6 Posts #4 On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.





Last CSGO major was run by PGL. Last CSGO major was run by PGL. And I Quote:"...".

THE KING Profile Joined July 2016 United States 10 Posts #5 On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). I'm the best man, I did it!

Taf the Ghost Profile Joined December 2010 United States 7788 Posts #6 Well, ESL actually ran the Frankfurt Major, for the most part. So I think Valve has looked at the Majors and decided DAC is the way to go for structure. This wouldn't surprise me in the least, as the Majors pretty much eat up 5 months of the year and made other tournaments pretty meaningless, unless they offered invite slots.

FO-nTTaX Profile Joined January 2013 Johto 373 Posts #7 On July 13 2016 23:27 Rotse wrote:

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On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.





Last CSGO major was run by PGL. Last CSGO major was run by PGL.

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Gamerhcp Profile Joined May 2015 708 Posts #8 On July 13 2016 23:27 Rotse wrote:

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On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.





Last CSGO major was run by PGL. Last CSGO major was run by PGL.



Last DOTA major was run by PGL, last CSGO major was ESL 90% with PGL doing observing + in game production i think Last DOTA major was run by PGL, last CSGO major was ESL 90% with PGL doing observing + in game production i think Community News Writer Hello

WindWolf Profile Joined July 2012 Sweden 5927 Posts #9 On July 13 2016 23:28 THE KING wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted).

The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.

*No inferno. I miss that map

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.*No inferno. I miss that map*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) EZ4ENCE

OuchyDathurts Profile Joined September 2010 United States 3693 Posts #10 ESL ain't perfect by a long shot. They've done some really dumb things and ruined a few tourney experiences. I'd rather they didn't have the keys to a major if this is true. Staff

THE KING Profile Joined July 2016 United States 10 Posts Last Edited: 2016-07-13 14:56:50 #11 On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:28 THE KING wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted).

The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.

*No inferno. I miss that map

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.*No inferno. I miss that map*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues)



I feel like most of these issues don't really apply to ESL Dota. Their new format that they've been using for Manila and Frankfurt 2016 has been working fairly well, and with no Bo1s. Camera work is something that could arguably be a Dota issue, but we have Skreppas and Pimp, not whoever did the camera for the latest ESL CS:GO tourney.



That being said, I can see why the other production issues would cast doubt on ESL's credibility. If these majors are going to be as frequent as CS:GO's, then I am worried about possible venues hosted by ESL NA. I think the production quality issue goes beyond ESL, because multiple Chinese tournaments with KeyTV production value would be terrible as well.

I feel like most of these issues don't really apply to ESL Dota. Their new format that they've been using for Manila and Frankfurt 2016 has been working fairly well, and with no Bo1s. Camera work is something that couldbe a Dota issue, but we have Skreppas and Pimp, not whoever did the camera for the latest ESL CS:GO tourney.That being said, I can see why the other production issues would cast doubt on ESL's credibility. If these majors are going to be as frequent as CS:GO's, then I am worried about possible venues hosted by ESL NA. I think the production quality issue goes beyond ESL, because multiple Chinese tournaments with KeyTV production value would be terrible as well. I'm the best man, I did it!

DucK- Profile Joined January 2009 Singapore 9489 Posts #12 3 Majors + 1 TI in 1 year is a big nono. Way too tight. 2 Majors + 1 TI is the way to go.

intotheheart Profile Joined January 2011 Canada 16170 Posts #13



I'm with Duck- I think, I'd like the 2 Majors a bit more because smaller tournaments would also have a chance to not worry about attendance, and it'd give teams the chance to test out a roster thoroughly before a TI. Any news/insights on the deadlines for teams? The hall of fame would be cool, but we all know not a single Chinese player would ever qualify for it.I'm with Duck- I think, I'd like the 2 Majors a bit more because smaller tournaments would also have a chance to not worry about attendance, and it'd give teams the chance to test out a roster thoroughly before a TI. Any news/insights on the deadlines for teams? kiss kiss fall in love

FO-nTTaX Profile Joined January 2013 Johto 373 Posts #14 On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:28 THE KING wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted).

The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.

*No inferno. I miss that map

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.*No inferno. I miss that map*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues)

Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues. Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues. Administrator @FO_nTTaX | FO-nTTaX.de | liquipedia.space | Liquipedia Lead Developer

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MaCRo.gg Profile Joined June 2015 Korea (South) 714 Posts #15 I hoped to see more structured environment next year.

KeSPA has it right.1 Year contracts. Trades between teams allowed with a deadline. Death punishment for match fixers.



Patch variation keeps the game fresh but is negative for legitimizing dota eSports.

Year long patches with minor balance fixes during the year.



Singular tournament structure for top teams like the Major was a positive step.

A year long structured competitive scene with relegation like soccer would go a long way in gaining recognition.



WindWolf Profile Joined July 2012 Sweden 5927 Posts #16 On July 14 2016 00:29 FO-nTTaX wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:28 THE KING wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted).

The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.

*No inferno. I miss that map

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.*No inferno. I miss that map*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues)

Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues. Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues.

Even if that is the case, the production of the major was really bad, which makes me hope valve will choose someone other than ESL Even if that is the case, the production of the major was really bad, which makes me hope valve will choose someone other than ESL EZ4ENCE

TRAP[yoo] Profile Joined December 2009 Hungary 3274 Posts #17 On July 14 2016 00:51 WindWolf wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 14 2016 00:29 FO-nTTaX wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:28 THE KING wrote:

On July 13 2016 23:23 WindWolf wrote:

I don't like this. Manilla was so good.



On July 13 2016 23:17 midou wrote:

I think its the right decision. SL and ESL have proven themselves as organizers for example. And that would make these tournaments relevant again.

After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL. I don't like this. Manilla was so good.After last weeks CSGO major, I disagree with the statement about ESL.



You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.



My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted). You can fill me in on the quality of the recent ESL CS:GO Major, but I would like to see the lack of downtime for pro teams in Dota that CS:GO has. Often times we have 1-2 months of low quality T2/T3 team tournaments before we see a T1 tournament for a few days before going back to the usual stuff.My concern is that there might be fatigue coming in around midway into the major season, but the only two people I can see making a big fuss about it would be ppd and EE (not to say that it would be unwarranted).

The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.

*No inferno. I miss that map

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues) The "highlights" of my problems with the last CSGO major*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.*No inferno. I miss that map*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues)

Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues. Format and map usage in CSGO Majors are dictated by Valve though, not ESL issues.

Even if that is the case, the production of the major was really bad, which makes me hope valve will choose someone other than ESL Even if that is the case, the production of the major was really bad, which makes me hope valve will choose someone other than ESL

its in fact THE case and you can acknowledge it.

valve chose the format and for some reason is reluctant to change the randomizer thing that is just bad. pgl did the production and not esl its in fact THE case and you can acknowledge it.valve chose the format and for some reason is reluctant to change the randomizer thing that is just bad. pgl did the production and not esl FTD

Pimpmuckl Profile Joined March 2011 Germany 38 Posts #18 On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:



*The format. Just the fact that losing 2 Bo1 can make you drop out of the tournament. At the very least, the elimination matches in the group stage should have been Bo3





Valve does the format.



Valve does the format. On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

*Weird map picking procedures. I don't like that the last map (in Bo3) or only map (in Bo1) was randomized.





Also on Valve



Also on Valve On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

*No inferno. I miss that map





Valve again.



Valve again. On July 13 2016 23:36 WindWolf wrote:

*Production. The camera work for this was horrible. I would rather have an auto-camera switcher. And in the Liquid-Fnatic semi, one round had to be restarted without anyone on the production telling us why (apparently someone on Fnatic had technical issues)



Now that is both on ESL and PGL. PGL does ingame production and ingame observing, they got flamed a whole ton already for it and some slight issues with other areas are on ESL.



I agree on a lot of points you brought up but crucifying the organisers is wrong when a lot of this comes straight outta Seattle. Now that is both on ESL and PGL. PGL does ingame production and ingame observing, they got flamed a whole ton already for it and some slight issues with other areas are on ESL.I agree on a lot of points you brought up but crucifying the organisers is wrong when a lot of this comes straight outta Seattle. twitter.com/pimpmuckl

LemOn Profile Joined July 2005 United Kingdom 5998 Posts #19 Please give Epicenter millions

Best production value ever Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]

BluemoonSC Profile Joined November 2010 SoCal 7987 Posts #20 On July 14 2016 01:07 LemOn wrote:

Please give Epicenter millions

Best production value ever



that is probably why they're shifting away from the current model - they might have more freedom to choose events like this which offer their game the most value.



an interesting move, let's see how it plays out. that is probably why they're shifting away from the current model - they might have more freedom to choose events like this which offer their game the most value.an interesting move, let's see how it plays out. Sellout @BluemoonGG_ | The past is your lesson. The present, your gift. And the future.. your motivation.

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