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"Recall Election Day in Wisconsin: 'It's All About Turnout' (and Vote Tallying Computers)"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 8/9/2011 @ 5:47 am PT...





I am a bit surprised that a large turnout is expected. If that expectation is true, then there is no "what's the use" overpowering sentiment in Wisconsin at this time.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... molly said on 8/9/2011 @ 6:03 am PT...





Since there will be more poll watchers for this election, will there be an announcement of tallies at the individual sites? Probably a dumb question, but I don't know the answer.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Richard Charnin said on 8/9/2011 @ 8:02 am PT...





http://richardcharnin.wo...ll-election-projections/ Wisconsin Recall Election Projections Aug. 4, 2011 Richard Charnin http://richardcharnin.co...lElectionProjections.htm The Democrats need to win 3 of 6 GOP seats in the recall elections to gain control of the Wisconsin senate. Assuming the Wisconsin 2008 presidential election

1) Recorded vote shares and election fraud (expected) in the recall elections, the Democrats will win 1 or 2 GOP seats.

2) Recorded vote shares and zero election fraud in the recalls, the Democrats will likely win 3 GOP seats.

3) True Vote shares and zero fraud in the recalls, the Democrats would likely win 6 GOP seats. The Wisconsin Recall Projection Model is based on the following assumptions for each of the 6 GOP districts:

1. 2008 Presidential Election recorded vote

2. Estimated 2008 Fraud Factor (i.e. reduction in Obama’s True District vote share)

3. Obama voter turnout rate in recall

4. McCain voter turnout rate in recall

5. Democratic share of returning Obama voters

6. Democratic share of returning McCain voters For the selected district, two sensitivity analysis tables display nine Democratic vote share scenarios based on

1) Democratic vote shares of returning Obama and McCain voters

2) Obama and McCain turnout rates Base Case Assumptions

1 Equal 63% Turnout of Obama and McCain voters

2 Democratic 91% share of Obama voters

3 Democratic 5% share of McCain voters Case 1: Assuming the 2008 Recorded Presidential Vote and Zero fraud in the 6 Recall elections

Projection: Democrats win 3 recall elections Case 2: Assuming the 2008 True Vote (Obama’s True Vote was 1.5% higher than recorded) and Zero fraud in the Recall elections

Projection: Democrats win 6 recall elections Assuming the 2008 recorded vote and the recall elections are fraudulent, the Democrats will win 1 or 2 elections. Recall Election Fraud Scenarios

Assume

1) Obama’s Wisconsin True Vote was 1% higher than recorded

2) Equal Obama/McCain percentage turnout in the recall elections

3) Democrats win 92% of Obama voters and 5% of McCain voters

then

The GOP needs to switch 2% of Democratic votes to retain senate control

Assuming the Democrats win 94% of returning Obama voters, the GOP would need to switch 3%.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 8:58 am PT...





Thanks, Brad! Big day for all of us... Dredd writes: "If that expectation is true, then there is no "what's the use" overpowering sentiment in Wisconsin at this time." Oh, my dearest Dredd - it's the OPPOSITE of a "What's the use" sentiment in WI! You wouldn't BELIEVE the force of our friends there; they have absorbed all the info here at The Brad Blog, Black Box Voting, Mark Crispin Miller's site, FREEPRESS, stats of Richard C. and Jonathan Simon in record time, and have ACTED on it in such effective ways I am constantly inspired and healed by them. (Richard C. has been a guiding light in helping our groups determine what we're up against statistically; meting out the sacred math. He has been a HUGE asset and a very very good friend to WI.) ...and as far as turnout goes? Here's a good sign! "Single anecdote from Darling recall Dist has AM turnout near 5 times higher than April Sup. Court election. via @sykescharlie [via Twitter]

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 9:09 am PT...





...if anyone here would like to follow the threads being circulated from our WI peeps directly, check in with our E.I. Facebook Main page here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/elecinteg/ This is the main page that threads all the WI sister pages together...most of the posts are curated there.(I'll be there all day, and all night, posting / redirecting and re-tweeting breaking developments.) Also recommending you check in with EDA WISCONSIN (they are heading up today's citizen exit polls:

https://www.facebook.com...7683425¬if_t=like Breaking news from Butler Co (in Waukesha) Jonathan Simon posts 33 min's ago: "...In Butler (Village Hall) we encountered effective prohibition of our exit polling crew (the police were waiting upon their arrival before the opening of polls, so it had nothing to do with obstructive/improper behavior). We've been trying to work it out through the GAB, which has been cooperative, but the situation on the ground is apparently that the Clerk is standing firm and the polling is not yet up and running. So that may be a hotspot..." Btw, you don't have to "FACEBOOK" to view these threads, nor do you have to be a member to hover and float / see all the info scrolling up directly from the citizen ground efforts there. I'll post any freaky WONK from the feeds in this thread at The Brad Blog as I can throughout the day... Thanks again, Brad, for giving the voters an outlet, a voice, and this incredible archive LOADED with info for folks who are new to the mortifying issue of systematic election fraud. You have NO idea how many people you have informed, prepared for days like this...

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/9/2011 @ 10:27 am PT...





Richard: My concern is that models and statistics are not always reliable indicators, especially when we deal with the question of Election Fraud. How are you calculating "expected" Election Fraud? With e-voting, it is possible to alter the vote to any predetermined number or percentage. (e.g., the South Carolina Democratic primary where, in Lancaster County, Judge Rawl won paper-based absentee ballots over the virtually unknown and unemployed Alvin Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among unverifiable Election Day e-votes by 17 percentage points, according to the machines). Doesn't your "expected" Election Fraud results depend upon the extent of the fraud?

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 12:13 pm PT...





From the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: "Exit poll workers moved at one site; smooth sailing overall" http://www.jsonline.com/...epolitics/127308863.html "Jonathan Simon, executive director of the Alliance, had a different view. His workers looking to interview voters leaving the polls inside the village hall were ordered to move out of the parking lot and onto an adjacent sidewalk. The difficulties prevented the observers from gathering enough data to serve their purpose: analyzing exit poll results with the ballots to look for fraud. Village Administrator Jesse Thyes said the exit poll takers were moved to the sidewalk for safety reasons and to provide a free flow of voters in and out of the village hall."

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Billy said on 8/9/2011 @ 12:47 pm PT...





Well, this is it. Democrats can't run on Social Security or Medicare. We can't run on a peace dividend. We can't run on human rights. We can't run on health care. Obama has poisoned all of these wells. But maybe we CAN turn the discontent in Wisconsin into a national workers movement. So let's do that tonight, okay?

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 1:14 pm PT...





HHhhAHAaAA, Billy! Ok! I'm in! (I love your posts.)

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... karlof1 said on 8/9/2011 @ 1:53 pm PT...





Given the stakes, something is bound to happen. When it does, I'm sure I'll find out about it first from The Brad Blog.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 2:09 pm PT...





LOVELY video of sing-a-long in Wisconsin's Capitol Rotunda form this morning! "Roll out the RECALL"... http://www.youtube.com/w...;feature=player_embedded ...they sing and dance, TOO?

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Richard Charnin said on 8/9/2011 @ 2:10 pm PT...





Richard: My concern is that models and statistics are not always reliable indicators, especially when we deal with the question of Election Fraud. Oh, yes they are. Just compare my pre-Election Model and my post-election True Vote Models to the unadjusted exit polls in 2000, 2004, 2006. It's all documented here: http://richardcharnin.com/ How are you calculating "expected" Election Fraud?

Simplke, based on the historical Wisconsin recorded vote disrepancies from the True Vote.

https://spreadsheets0.go...2NiN0ZzRU4tRWdaaFE#gid=0 With e-voting, it is possible to alter the vote to any predetermined number or percentage. (e.g., the South Carolina Democratic primary where, in Lancaster County, Judge Rawl won paper-based absentee ballots over the virtually unknown and unemployed Alvin Greene by a staggering 84 percent to 16 percent margin; but Greene easily led among unverifiable Election Day e-votes by 17 percentage points, according to the machines). Doesn't your "expected" Election Fraud results depend upon the extent of the fraud? That's why I always do a sensitivity analysis based on a range of assumptions around the BASE CASE:

https://spreadsheets.goo...tNnc&hl=en_US#gid=11 Check it ALL out. The links are on my website. 2008 Election Model: Monte Carlo Forecast Simulation

2008 Election Fraud Analytics

The Primaries: Footprints of Election Fraud A Conversation about the 2008 Election

Proof that Obama won by much more than 9.5 million votes 2006 2006 Midterms Overview

Quantifying the Risk

Generic Poll Trend Forecasting Model 2004 2004 State Polling Trend

2004 RV and LV National Poll Trend Confirmation of a Kerry Landslide Introduction: To Believe Bush Won... 1. When Decided

2. Bush Approval Ratings

3. The Final 5 Million Recorded Votes

4. The Final Exit Poll: Forced to Match the Vote

5. Within Precinct Discrepancy

6. New Voters

7. Party ID

8. Gender

9. Implausible Gore Voter Defection

10. Voter Turnout

11. Urban Legend

12. Location Size

13. Sensitivity Analysis

14. Did Kerry Win 360 EV?

15. Election Simulation Analysis

16. Exit Poll Response Optimization

17. Florida

18. Ohio

19. New York Appendix

A. Election Model: Nov.1 Projection

B. Interactive Monte Carlo Simulation: Pre-election and Exit Polls

C. 1988-2004 Election Calculator: The True Vote

D. The 2000-2004 County Vote Database

E. Statistics and Probability: Mathematics of Polling

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 2:25 pm PT...





"Voters greeted by long lines..." http://www.fox11online.c...rs-greeted-by-long-lines "...DE PERE - Hundreds of De Pere residents came out to St. Mark's Lutheran Church to vote in the recall election. But some came out, and decided not to vote. "Some people are not choosing to stay and are leaving," said poll worker Colleen Smits. At one point, the wait lasted 45 minutes for some voters. Across town, it was a similar story. Some voters spent an hour in line. "It's a lot more than I expected but it makes me feel good that people are involved," said Bart Baeb. "It's better than coming in here and nobody voting." Other voters weren't so pleased. "This is ridiculous," said Betsy Ingersoll. "It's a long wait. There are people in line that have to get back to work." Ingersoll was frustrated that there were so many spots set up where people could vote, but only one line where people could pick up their ballot..." De Pere lies in Wisconsin's 8th Congressional District. Yuuup! That's the Darling / Pasch race that covers 2 municipalities in...guess where? Wait for it...WAUKESHA. Guess who'll be countin' dem DEM votes? You guessed it... ..and guess where EDA wasn't allowed to conduct citizen exit polls effectively? YUP! Butler Village is ALSO in District 8. Okay, Bradpeeps! Head's up! D8 is probably going to be our "too close to call", late late late reported results! Good news is: we've got GOOD people on the ground there, watching the vote count at the central location, tonight.

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/9/2011 @ 2:32 pm PT...





CORRECTION to my above post! De Pere is actually SENATORIAL DISTRICT 2 - Cowles (R) / Nusbaum - NOT DARLING's district. Apologies, got my Senate and Congressional Districts confused... Butler Village IS in Waukesha Co, Darling / Pasch - just to be clear.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... 4earth said on 8/9/2011 @ 3:28 pm PT...





Oh man, I sure hope they can't flip the vote on this one!

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/9/2011 @ 5:43 pm PT...





Sorry, Richard, but I find both your arguments and models, which I linked to, thoroughly unconvincing! I can understand how prior or current exit polls can be utilized to demonstrate that a given election result is likely the product of election fraud. But there is no possible way that your True Vote Model can predict the extent of election fraud in a future election. If a malicious hacker has access to an e-voting system and pre-programs a 60-40 result, how people voted in prior elections or in the current election is absolutely meaningless. The results are determined by the hacker and not by your models or by the actual vote. That same hacker may have programed a 55/45 split in a prior election or not hacked the prior election. Can you point to a prior election in South Carolina that, using your True Vote Model, would have predicted the absurdity of the Alvin Greene landslide "win" --- as claimed by the machines?

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/9/2011 @ 6:04 pm PT...





Opt scan machine “malfunctioned” in Fond du Lac. Ballots were placed in an auxiliary bin then later fed through another scanner. Fond du Lac city clerk predicts 75% to 80% voter turn out.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Ernest A. Canning said on 8/9/2011 @ 7:26 pm PT...

