Kurt Russell was recently interviewed by a Hollywood reporter named Jeffrey Wells. The conversation was initially about the Quentin Tarantino movie Hateful 8 but the reporter couldn’t resist the urge to steer their talk towards gun control.

Kurt Russell gave him a lesson in reality, you have to hear this.

Here’s a partial transcript via Hot Air:

When Wells went on to say that guns are a ”metaphor that disenfranchised white guys need,” Russell let loose.

“If you think gun control is going to change the terrorists’ point of view, I think you’re, like, out of your mind,” he began. “I think anybody [who says that] is. I think it’s absolutely insane.”

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“Dude, you’re about to find out what I’m gonna do, and that’s gonna worry you a lot more,” the actor continued. “And that‘s what we need. That will change the concept of gun culture, as you call it, to something [like] reality. Which is, if I’m a hockey team and I’ve got some guy bearing down on me as a goal tender, I’m not concerned about what he’s gonna do — I’m gonna make him concerned about what I’m gonna do to stop him. That’s when things change.”

Arguing back, Wells invoked the no-fly list, saying that the people on the list are there for a “good reason,” but that they can allegedly still “get [a] hold of a gun pretty easily.”

“They can also make a bomb pretty easily. So what?” Russell retorted. “They can also get knives and stab you. [What are you] gonna do about that? They can also get cars and run you over. [What are you] gonna do about that?”