﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:45:34 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Chessur do you have a twitch channel?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:47:20 ] shrapp > o7 hey folks

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:52:41 ] Chessur > Tikktokk Tokkzikk i do not

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:53:00 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Shame.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:53:52 ] Chessur > lol why do you say that?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:03 ] Modern Inferno > I'd like to see this archon in the hands of a solo pvp enthusiast. I don't want to step on toes, but I'm giving away an archon on stream right now. Twitch community has been so good to me i want to see someone in the community get it :)

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:19 ] Chessur > i will take the archon

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:20 ] Chessur > sell it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:28 ] Chessur > then get a pirate battleship to go pvp in

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:30 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Because I enjoy Twitch content and I enjoy your content.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:39 ] Chessur > yes but twitch content....

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:44 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Combined it'd be twice the awesome.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:54:44 ] Chessur > eve is not meant to be streamed imo

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:55:02 ] Modern Inferno > give away at 03:02 so you have time :)

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:55:08 ] Fintarue > Man Chessur, total buzz kill

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:55:52 ] Flubugg > (softly cries)

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:55:56 ] Chessur > buzz kill?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:55:57 ] Chessur > how so?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:22 ] Flubugg > this is the stream channel right?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:29 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > "Eve is not meant to be streamed"-person in a stream channel

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:30 ] Modern Inferno > yessir

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:40 ] Fintarue > and the hate towards 10mn ab d2s

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:42 ] Fintarue > df3s

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:44 ] Fintarue > lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:56:57 ] Chessur > hehe

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:57:08 ] shrapp > always going against the grain that guys sheesh

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:58:04 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > So what makes you say Eve isn't meant to be streamed?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:58:56 ] Flubugg > I have to stream selectively when I have W-space gank targets

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:04 ] Flubugg > otherwise people get really bored

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:11 ] Flubugg > watching my streams that is

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:18 ] Chessur > eve is a horrible game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:24 ] Chessur > outside of turny play for streaming

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:38 ] Chessur > i dont want ot show someone ganks / clubbing baby seals pvp

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:46 ] Chessur > or the endless gate jumps, the random ganks

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:48 ] Chessur > no one wants to see that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 02:59:53 ] Flubugg > <--- grabs pitch fork

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:04 ] Chessur > they want to see pilot skill, outplaying enemys on the grid and good fights

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:05 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Why not? That's equally much part of PVP as everything else.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:07 ] Fintarue > ok, well gate jumps I understand, but I feel alot of my pvp isn't just clubbing baby seals *coughs tikk tokk*

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:08 ] Chessur > that is why i play the game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:16 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Fintarue ♥

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:19 ] Chessur > I don't play the game to 'roam'

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:27 ] Chessur > i play the game to push the limit and find good fights

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:29 ] Flubugg > whats wrong with clubbing baby seals?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:41 ] Chessur > I am a turny player at heart

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:47 ] Mehashi 'Kho > people need coats yunno

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:00:48 ] Flubugg > i respect that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:03 ] meatbunkt > EvE is a stupid life draining game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:05 ] Fintarue > I'm the same way Chessur, just means people watch some of the boring parts instead opf me just editing out all the boring parts

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:05 ] Chessur > clubbing, and ganking is boring

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:08 ] Chessur > requires no skill

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:16 ] Flubugg > depends on the odds

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:19 ] Fintarue > And that's when we have fun chatting, and doing drinking trivia

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:23 ] Chessur > yah

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:27 ] Chessur > you can't play eve well while drunk

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:29 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Watching people roam can be exciting.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:29 ] Chessur > or drinking

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:36 ] Chessur > some people may like it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:49 ] Chessur > how many people watch your streaming at peak?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:52 ] Chessur > 100 people?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:01:59 ] Chessur > most of them are only on to quickly stream snipe you

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:05 ] Fintarue > Chessur upwards of 500.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:06 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > My peak was around 100.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:10 ] meatbunkt > i swear like 90% of eve players are drunks

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:10 ] Fintarue > And most aren't on for a stream snipe

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:10 ] Modern Inferno > Chessur That's not true

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:12 ] Chessur > a single video of mine gets over 2K views in under 24 hours

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:14 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > I've never had problems with stream sniping.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:17 ] Modern Inferno > I avg about 70- something

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:23 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Hey Fin!

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:25 ] Chessur > stream sniping is not what i am worried about

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:27 ] Modern Inferno > never had a problem with sniping

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:30 ] Flubugg > ok can of worms has officially been opened

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:31 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Come back to Heimatar! :p

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:34 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > I miss you.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:34 ] Chessur > people already try and snipe me for who i am lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:44 ] Chessur > i just don't want to 'perform'

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:50 ] Chessur > or do things other than roam

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:02:51 ] Flubugg > me too <---suoer awesome dude here

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:05 ] Kaiser Itinen > lol what is going on in here tonight

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:06 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Fin, stop hating on Chessur in your stream.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:08 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > It's rude.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:16 ] Mehashi 'Kho > rofl

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:18 ] Fintarue > No hating, just disagreeing

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:43 ] Flubugg > Personally I like watching the Lowsec guys pick on the FW folks

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:03:47 ] Kaiser Itinen > isnt someone telling someone else how to do his own thing kinda rude?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:18 ] Flubugg > no man its perfectly reasonable from his perspective

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:25 ] Mehashi 'Kho > you're not my real mom!

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:32 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Streaming would let people see how you find fights, which is probably the most important part.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:33 ] Flubugg > I like to watch the tourny play - I wish there was more of it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:43 ] Fintarue > Not wanting to perform is totally understandable.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:43 ] Chessur > sames

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:48 ] Chessur > we are running things bi-weekly

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:52 ] Chessur > besides

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:04:55 ] Chessur > no offense

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:04 ] Chessur > fintarue stream

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:12 ] Chessur > with the music, random shit and not being focused

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:19 ] Chessur > I don't play eve like that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:24 ] Chessur > Sry m8

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:32 ] Flubugg > Ok what I am hearing is Chessure is more of a type A guy

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:33 ] Chessur > but people would not find how I play entertaining

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:36 ] Chessur > I am pure min max

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:40 ] Chessur > mechanical

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:48 ] Chessur > unless I am just tyring to fuck around

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:55 ] Flubugg > all business

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:05:55 ] Chessur > which normally i don't want made public

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:00 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > I'm a min maxer.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:03 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > I also stream.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:11 ] Chessur > i take nothing away from people who want to stream

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:15 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Don't see a problem here.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:19 ] Chessur > I am just trying to push eve in a certain direction

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:31 ] Chessur > by sculpting the player base, making micro gang and piloting skill more known

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:46 ] Chessur > in order to have larger amounts of the community get behind competative eve play

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:50 ] Chessur > to push more turnys

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:06:59 ] Chessur > to get more interest for CCP to make more AT type stuff

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:05 ] Chessur > and to eventually have eve leauges, or eve sports

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:08 ] Chessur > that is how i operate

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:22 ] Fintarue > I'm completely down for all of that, but that stuff does include a bit of performance with the commentation

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:28 ] Chessur > Long shot? Hell yes

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:36 ] Chessur > Most likely not going to happen?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:38 ] Chessur > Yes, i know that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:41 ] John Grissom > I am just playing Devil's Advocate here, but Chessur you are chatting in an Eve Stream chat channel.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:47 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Yeah, and how does streaming interfer with that?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:49 ] Chessur > But i fucking love this game- and i think that I am very good at it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:07:52 ] Chessur > Im trying to push it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:00 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > You can stream what you normally do when making a video.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:16 ] Flubugg > yea but you would be showing your cards a lot

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:19 ] Chessur > perhaps

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:27 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Flubugg he already makes videos.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:34 ] Flubugg > i know that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:40 ] Flubugg > I really enjoy them

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:41 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > So I don't see why streaming would show more cards.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:46 ] John Grissom > Do your own thing, stream it, instant content, gain viewers who also enjoy how you play the game. Pretty impossible to do a stream incorrectly.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:49 ] Chessur > i don't care about showing cards

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:08:59 ] Chessur > if i didn't want to show players how to get better

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:02 ] Chessur > I would not run a channel

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:04 ] Chessur > or make videos

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:11 ] Chessur > I would just hide myself, and my kills

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:15 ] Chessur > and rape face while in turny

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:25 ] Chessur > but again, that is not going to help the community

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:33 ] Chessur > becuase the biggest problem with eve is the playerbase

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:09:48 ] Chessur > and the only way to make a change in the business model of eve, is to slowly change the player base

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:03 ] Chessur > I can try and do that by making people see how deep and hard core the PvP in this game is

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:11 ] Kaiser Itinen > I think eves buisness model is just fine

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:12 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > What's wrong with Eve's business model? O_o

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:19 ] Chessur > and that 99% of the people who play this game don't understand how to PvP

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:25 ] inflamer > finature, any pub fleet tonight?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:25 ] Chessur > eves business model?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:30 ] Chessur > well eve is a boring game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:35 ] Chessur > that is better to read about than play

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:37 ] John Grissom > Ok I am gonna duck out of this now, went from talking about monkies to pencils.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:39 ] Chessur > 'space politics'

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:41 ] Chessur > are boring as shit

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:44 ] Flubugg > Eve is what you make it if you ask me

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:48 ] Chessur > mostly fat neckbeard children

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:54 ] Kaiser Itinen > John Grissom I just done think that you understand what sandbox means

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:57 ] Flubugg > lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:10:58 ] Chessur > who have egos the size of suns for no reason

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:03 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Eve is boring because of bad game design, not business model.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:03 ] Crazey Monkey > I agree with Chessur

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:06 ] Chessur > the politcs are not interesting, nor intruging

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:13 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Or politics.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:14 ] Flubugg > agreed

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:14 ] Chessur > its about who can make the most RMT empire at the top

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:18 ] Fintarue > The funny thing about everything you're saying Chessur is that I agree with most of it, aside from the streaming stuff, and d3 dessies lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:19 ] Crazey Monkey > Think about the amount of alliances which go into coward agreemenets to avoid fights

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:19 ] Chessur > end of story

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:31 ] Chessur > T3D's are bad for the game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:35 ] Chessur > they are opressive to sub cruiser meta

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:42 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Good.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:43 ] Chessur > and are pretty useless in micro / fleet fights

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:46 ] Chessur > good?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:47 ] Flubugg > ruined the Frgate meta to poop

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:49 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Fuck frigates.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:53 ] Chessur > frig meta was really fun

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:55 ] Fintarue > I don't even disagree on that part chessur lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:56 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > But they also wreck cruisers and up.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:11:57 ] Chessur > and dynamic

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:03 ] Chessur > they don't wreck cruisers

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:11 ] Chessur > bring your T3D vs my cruiser lineup

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:22 ] Chessur > I will be prepared to collect your corpse

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:33 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > I also farm T3Ds with my cruisers.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:50 ] Fintarue > I farm cruisers with my t3 dessies

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:12:56 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > ^

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:04 ] Crazey Monkey > Fintarue 1v1 Chessur

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:08 ] Crazey Monkey > lets make it happen

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:09 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Make it so!

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:28 ] inflamer > for what it's worth, I lost a svipul to a vexor today :)

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:29 ] Chessur > My slicer?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:32 ] Chessur > vs your frigate?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:43 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Your cruiser vs Fin's T3D.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:44 ] Chessur > I 1v1'd a guy in a rifter yesterday

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:55 ] Chessur > Kill: JEFFRAIDER (Rifter)

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:13:58 ] Chessur > we have mirror fits

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:05 ] Chessur > I had 67& shield remaining lol

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:25 ] Flubugg > now chessure how would you mold players to fit your vision?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:27 ] Chessur > jeff is a really cool guy btw

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:34 ] Chessur > fucking nice guy

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:38 ] Chessur > gave me a slicer in HED

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:42 ] Chessur > like a boss

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:48 ] Chessur > and provided a really good fight

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:14:53 ] Chessur > Flubugg well

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:00 ] Chessur > new players are shit into the eve universe

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:05 ] Chessur > and the biggest problem with that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:13 ] Chessur > again goes back to the playerbase

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:22 ] Chessur > which is the biggest problem plaging eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:31 ] Chessur > people say join BNI, EvEuni, or RvB

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:45 ] Chessur > what they dont realize is that telling new players to join a corp is a really bad idea early on

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:15:55 ] Chessur > becuase then you ahve these 'older playuers' who are still shit at the game

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:00 ] Bienator II > depends on the player

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:05 ] Chessur > telling the new guys flat our incorrect information about eve or PvP

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:14 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > You're right and wrong.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:15 ] John Grissom > I get what Chessur is saying. I agree

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:17 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Joining a bad corp is bad.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:19 ] Chessur > they then are molded by these retards, to continue telling their falicies and there we go

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:20 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Joining a good corp is good.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:37 ] John Grissom > It is too hard to find a good corp for new players.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:16:43 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Which is why I was against the friendly fire toggle. Awoxing was one of the few ways to remove the bad corporations from the game.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:17:03 ] Queen Daenerys Targaryen > there is also the agrument of how much you listen to people and how much you actually see what people say is true

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:17:03 ] Fintarue > It is definitely too hard to find good corps, but that's similar to a lot of guild/community stuff in mmos

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:17:22 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > The problem is it's too easy to make a corp.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:17:37 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Everyone and their dog wants to make a corporation.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:17:42 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Especially when they're bad.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:05 ] Flubugg > I mean I'm 43 been playing Eve for like 6 years now, never joined any learning corp shrapp as my main have carved out a decent expereince. But if I were to say "chessure" I love what you do I only have 2000 kills - i need more but do not want null

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:12 ] Flubugg > What would you suggfest?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:21 ] Queen Daenerys Targaryen > another thing is a lot of "good" players often don't want anything to do with noob or bad players

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:30 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Yeah.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:31 ] John Grissom > A lot of the newbro friendly corps tend to have bad players teaching new players.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:38 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Chessur, why don't you make a newbie corporation?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:18:48 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Make sure they're taught correctly.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:01 ] Flubugg > time consuming

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:14 ] Kaiser Itinen > He did say he wanted something more to do

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:27 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > But he said he makes videos and such to get people interested in tourneys.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:40 ] John Grissom > It is insanely time confusing and also very repetitive.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:48 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Any better way to get people interested than to make a corporation they can join and learn from?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:19:53 ] Kaiser Itinen > Yes but if you want to change the playerbase then what better way tthen to train the new people the way that you want them?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:04 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Doesn't sound that hard.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:12 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Just delegate to not shit people.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:20 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > That's basically be your only task.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:38 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Find not terrible players to teach newbies.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:41 ] Kaiser Itinen > That would make good videos cause you can record you showing people the ropes and that in turn would make more people fly the way that you want them to fly

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:43 ] Bienator II > you assume that the not-shit people are willig to recruite new players

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:44 ] John Grissom > But if you begin to grow too large in size then training can get very watered down.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:20:58 ] Bienator II > most new players quit

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:14 ] Bienator II > teaching them the same thing again and again and see them quit is not fun

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:19 ] Harvog Aeon > linky sentinel fit fin?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:26 ] Fintarue > Spanish Inquisition

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:33 ] Harvog Aeon > ty

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:43 ] Chessur > here is the thing about eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:48 ] Chessur > the thing they never tell you

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:51 ] Queen Daenerys Targaryen > very true bie, I tried recruiter very breifly becuase of that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:21:59 ] Queen Daenerys Targaryen > its very unrewarding in my experience

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:06 ] Chessur > you can 'play' this game for 10+ years

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:10 ] Chessur > and still be shit at it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:14 ] Bienator II > ^^ i gave up recruiting right after the first members quit eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:24 ] Chessur > you see

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:26 ] Bienator II > thought this task is not for me

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:32 ] John Grissom > Most players in this game are pretty shitty.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:37 ] Chessur > most of the people in eve are simply sheeple

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:22:56 ] Chessur > the people who join large null blocks to F1 shit, the thosands of players in BNI or the fools in EUNI

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:10 ] Chessur > are there because they cant make their own sand house in the sandbox

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:16 ] Chessur > they need someone to provide content for them

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:22 ] Chessur > to show them every step of the god damn way

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:28 ] Chessur > I never had that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:34 ] Bienator II > well tbh. solo pvp requires that you learned to fight the client

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:40 ] Chessur > and the VAST majority of the pilots I flyt with never had that as well

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:46 ] Chessur > we studied the game, read about it

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:48 ] Bienator II > learned all the bad controls eve has

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:50 ] Chessur > watched videos and learnved

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:51 ] Bienator II > all the corner cases

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:55 ] Bienator II > all the button bashing

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:23:59 ] Chessur > we learned ourselves

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:03 ] Bienator II > right

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:05 ] Chessur > and practiced our selves

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:15 ] Bienator II > but we are not everyone. many don't want to go through that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:20 ] Chessur > I don't have time to run a corp becuase I am too busy trying to get out there and practice / roam

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:26 ] Chessur > we are not everyone no

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:27 ] Chessur > however

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:33 ] Chessur > there are two types of players in eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:39 ] Chessur > the content creators, and the sheeple

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:24:56 ] Chessur > sheeple can never 'play' eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:07 ] Chessur > they simple follow along, doing what they are told, following directions

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:23 ] Chessur > you will never improve, advance, or become extraordinary doing that

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:29 ] Chessur > thinnk of all the 'good players'

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:33 ] Chessur > R&K when it came to cap shit

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:35 ] Chessur > garmon

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:37 ] Chessur > Prom

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:39 ] Chessur > Dalikah

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:41 ] Chessur > Lussy Lu

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:42 ] Chessur > Ibeast

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:47 ] Chessur > Kwark UK

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:25:57 ] Chessur > Don pelligrino

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:26:02 ] Chessur > Gods Coldblood

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:26:17 ] Chessur > all of these players left their mark, and all of them learned themselves

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:26:29 ] Chessur > Camel empire / MIEF is for the most part filled with players like this

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:26:53 ] Chessur > And that is why i think that MIEF is so special, and really cool

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:26:56 ] Chessur > same with camel

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:29:28 ] Bienator II > its just a mirror of RL. a few have good ideas, rest copies

﻿[ 2015.04.19 03:29:49 ] Bienator II > everythign is just accelerated in eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 04:09:45 ] EvelKenevel > Wanna kill stuff?

﻿[ 2015.04.19 04:10:18 ] Tikktokk Tokkzikk > Chessur, you encouraged me to make a newbie friendly solo and small gang corporation.

﻿[ 2015.04.19 05:12:53 ] shrapp > well Chessur if you are still here, I couldn't agree with you more about the Sheeple aspect of eve

﻿[ 2015.04.19 05:13:13 ] shrapp > I never went down that path, alwasy cut my own rug

﻿[ 2015.04.19 05:14:21 ] shrapp > my corporation consists of myself and my brother