LL: It's not not true.

LA: And I think one of the things that really struck me, and I think it was probably because it tapped into my own personal anxieties, was everything that comes with having children, especially for women. And I think one of the things that I'm very scared about is losing my sense of self and becoming somewhat invisible. I think that book explores it a lot in the latter half. And I did sort of close it... I remember finishing reading it sort of midnight and I just closed it and looked around and I was like, "I need to talk to someone about this book and there's no one around to talk to about it. What do I do?" And then I just lay in the dark with my eyes open.

MC: I think it's another, there's the last bit of the book, I don't want to give too much away, but the last bit of the book has kind of a similar sort of feeling to Olga's book because you are feeling because of the writing style exactly what the narrator of that section is feeling and you feel a little loopy and I had the same thing. I ended it and was like, "My heart is beating so fast and I don't know what to do."

LL: Now I can't wait to read it.

MC: Delightful. It wasn't necessarily a good feeling, but it was a feeling.

LL: I like feeling things. It's like I don't even need it to be the best feeling in the world. That is what I like from a book to feel something. Because that's the books you remember, right? The things that stay with you that kind of implant in your brain. Or the ones that made you feel something meaningful or different.

LA: Exactly. If you closed every book and just thought, "Well that's nice." And then just put it back on the shelf, you wouldn't get anywhere.

MC: The one group of people that I would not recommend reading that specific book on vacation is honeymooners, because our boss Stephanie Wu read it shortly after she had gotten married and was like, "This is super depressing." So just give yourself a little time ...

LL: You just annul at that point.

MC: Like, get in the groove of your marriage before you read this book.

LL: I'm so sorry, I've made a terrible mistake. Please enjoy the vacation and read this book to understand why I've done what I've done. Goodbye.

MC: Is there anything else you guys super, super, super want to scream out about?

LL: Super fast, Julia Phillips' Disappearing Earth.

LA: I have seen people tweeting about that and sharing it on their year-end round-ups.

JDM: Agreed, that's on my holiday pile today.

LL: I mean, you get a book and it's about a remote part of Russia, and the people that live there and you're like, "Okay welcome to the National Book Awards family." And then you pick it up because you're kind of like, "This seems like the outlier in my interests." And I swear to God, I did not put it down until I was done. I mean she's such a beautiful writer and it's such a fascinating tale. And it's just sort of all of these different people and it revolves around the kidnapping of these two girls, but it's really not about the kidnapping of these girls. It's about a place.