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Great film with a resolution that feels somewhat lazy. It's deus ex machine with Superman showing godlike power to change anything. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card.





Superman II: the memory erasing kiss





Similar to the end of STM it just feels like a lackluster ending that they wrote themselves into and had trouble resolving.





Superman II the RDC: Thau's editing choices



There's no one thing I can point to here but overall I just remember people being disappointed with so many of the choices Thau made from the way audio, music and footage was recut. This ones a sort of umbrella complaint.





Superman III: Gus skis off building in pink tablecloth





There a LOT to choose from so this was difficult but this scene epitomizes what's wrong with the film and how far things had fallen since Donner took Superman seriously.





Supergirl: No Superman





Again there's a lot wrong so it's not easy to single out any one thing. Everyone can agree that Christopher Reeve being involved would have been welcome.





Superman IV: Lacy breathes in space





it'd be easier to list what DID work instead of singling out one thing that didn't but this scene encapsulates everything wrong with this movie. Bad effects, poor and illogical scriptwriting, absurd situations, etc. It was close between this and "rebuild the Great Wall with supervision" but there had already been a precedent set with giving Superman crazy new powers. when people point out how bad this movie is this is the scene the bring up. I think it even has the awful "Superman flies at camera" shot.





Superman Returns: Superman has a son





A lot of people just couldn't get past this one because of everything from how it changed the status quo to how they felt it shows the degradation of Superman's morals.





Man or Steel: Superman kills Zod





This divided Superman fans along very clear lines because it dealt with what everyone saw as the core of Superman's character. The other stuff like the costume and the style was negotiable but we all have our own clear ideas of who Superman is.





Batman V Superman: "Save...Martha."





Lots of things I could have gone with here (like emo Superman, Batman killing, etc.) but the "Martha" moment is easier to pinpoint and more ridiculed. Much like "Lacy breathes in space" "Save Martha" represents everything wrong with this movies script. Superman The Movie: turning back timeGreat film with a resolution that feels somewhat lazy. It's deus ex machine with Superman showing godlike power to change anything. It's the ultimate get out of jail free card.Superman II: the memory erasing kissSimilar to the end of STM it just feels like a lackluster ending that they wrote themselves into and had trouble resolving.Superman II the RDC: Thau's editing choicesThere's no one thing I can point to here but overall I just remember people being disappointed with so many of the choices Thau made from the way audio, music and footage was recut. This ones a sort of umbrella complaint.Superman III: Gus skis off building in pink tableclothThere a LOT to choose from so this was difficult but this scene epitomizes what's wrong with the film and how far things had fallen since Donner took Superman seriously.Supergirl: No SupermanAgain there's a lot wrong so it's not easy to single out any one thing. Everyone can agree that Christopher Reeve being involved would have been welcome.Superman IV: Lacy breathes in spaceit'd be easier to list what DID work instead of singling out one thing that didn't but this scene encapsulates everything wrong with this movie. Bad effects, poor and illogical scriptwriting, absurd situations, etc. It was close between this and "rebuild the Great Wall with supervision" but there had already been a precedent set with giving Superman crazy new powers. when people point out how bad this movie is this is the scene the bring up. I think it even has the awful "Superman flies at camera" shot.Superman Returns: Superman has a sonA lot of people just couldn't get past this one because of everything from how it changed the status quo to how they felt it shows the degradation of Superman's morals.Man or Steel: Superman kills ZodThis divided Superman fans along very clear lines because it dealt with what everyone saw as the core of Superman's character. The other stuff like the costume and the style was negotiable but we all have our own clear ideas of who Superman is.Batman V Superman: "Save...Martha."Lots of things I could have gone with here (like emo Superman, Batman killing, etc.) but the "Martha" moment is easier to pinpoint and more ridiculed. Much like "Lacy breathes in space" "Save Martha" represents everything wrong with this movies script.

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Member Back to Top Post by crazy_asian_man on STM: Lois's death --- then turning back time in STM I agree was a bit of a film-stopper (and not in a good way) at the time.

Nobody went out of the theatre, saying, "Wow, that was the best part of the film!".



The problem is: without Lois's death- the original cliffhanger feels like it might not have been enough, as the last act is a series of Superman saving things (without error) and the movie was already 2 1/2 hours. It became a bit predictable (though understandable) that he'd go somewhere, fix it, and go somewhere else. (If a suprise came up that he had to fix, it might have made things a bit more tense- hence, not being able to save Lois was gripping)



The movie is forgiven for the time-reversal bit, because of the emotional impact and performance by Reeve both with Lois's death and the bit with Superman hearing both fathers in the clouds- (as tying it all together in a way)--- but I think the problem, too, is that the ability for Supes to turn back time was never introduced until that very moment. ... or if not the problem, that certainly didn't help!



SII: To me, the comedy schtick and tone Lester stuck in the Metro fight is what bothered me far more than the memory kiss.



SIII: Kind of felt it was DOA. I read the underwhelming script before seeing the movie- originally the first Superman action bit happened at night in a forest fire- which would have been more visually spectacular (I imagine) than the chemical plant sequence which looked pretty flat. I wasn't impressed with the script, but less so with how it was executed. Reeve's performance was great, though.



SIV: The hacking down of the film to being incomprehensible during the last act bothered me more than the flying cutout and bad fx. Also, the 'remedies' that the filmmakers tried to solve it made it worse (Supes using eyebeams to lower civilians and fix the wall of China).



SR: Luthor's non-sensical real estate plan for the planet.... more ridiculous at the time to believe that someone could be that insane, until one realizes how crazy people really CAN be since then.

Also, the bit where Supes hears all the suffering in the world, and saves..... the bank's money. (But the guard's lives also, to be fair).







