Thousands of top conspirators in finance, media, pharmaceuticals and government are about to be arrested. Read this landmark interview transcript with “Drake” now — before it becomes front-page news!

THIS IS A GOOD THING



The problems we face in today’s world are extraordinary. You may feel as if there is no way out.

There is a core group responsible for the majority of these problems. If this group is defeated, it will be much easier for us to heal our planet.

Mass arrests of this core group have been planned since at least the 1970s — according to Drake, a new whistleblower I recently interviewed.

This is the official, full transcript of that discussion — where we combined the strength of what both of us have heard independently about this plan.

Like it or not, a civilian uprising alone would never have the logistical and tactical ability to resist such a well-armed and deeply-entrenched group.

There is an absolute requirement that the military, or at least a significant majority of it, supports the will of the people in a case like this — in order for us to have a real chance at succeeding.

Despite the intrinsic paranoia and fear associated with any change of this scale, I firmly believe this will be a quantum leap in the healing of our planet. Freedom is not a pipe dream. The people demand it.

BREAKING THE DENIAL



Although a certain percentage of people are not strong enough to face the truth, just yet, everyone is aware at some level that we have occult forces manipulating finance and government.

Movies like “Thrive” lay it all out for you — including the fact that these groups hope to kill billions of people, reducing Earth’s population to a size they feel would be easier to control.

Foster Gamble recently made a video announcement that Thrive will now be distributed free of charge online — as of today’s date, April 5, 2012. See for yourself — this is not a hoax:

Official Announcement that THRIVE Will Be Free

SEE THE MOVIE “THRIVE” FREE OF CHARGE — OFFICIALLY!



Here is the new, dedicated link to the FULL version of Thrive. When I checked it there were still only 203 hits, as it had just gone live. You can copy this, distribute this to your friends, and it will remain stable:

Official Link to Full-Length, Free Version of THRIVE Documentary

If anyone still doesn’t believe that these genocidal plots are real, send them this link and watch this movie with them — together.

They will have a lot of questions — and will probably need to pause it frequently and talk.

GENUINELY SOCIOPATHIC PEOPLE DO EXIST — AND HAVE ORGANIZED



It may seem impossible to believe that anyone would want to install a global dictatorship — but genuinely sociopathic people do exist.

In this case they are very well-organized, and have seized power very effectively — particularly in the US, UK, Germany, France and Italy — the G5.

My own definitive statement on this is the Financial Tyranny ebook, featured here at Divine Cosmos.

CONTROL OF THE MONEY SYSTEM



The real core of this group’s power lies in the control of the money system — through the Federal Reserve banking families and their international equivalent, the Bank for International Settlements or BIS.

This Financial Tyranny is the underlying root of a staggering number of problems on Earth.

Starvation and disease is epidemic in much of the world, and even in the modern countries there is widespread poverty and economic hardship.

The majority of the world is completely fed up with Financial Tyranny, and has formed an alliance to stop it — using as non-violent a means as possible, while still achieving the necessary results.

Drake has revealed startling new information. The plan was already developed into a five-inch-thick briefing document as of 1979.

THE EFFORT IS GROWING AT AN INCREDIBLE SPEED



This plan will be carried out by a 60-percent majority of heroes in the Pentagon and US military — who do NOT support Financial Tyranny, and genuinely have our best interests at heart.

There are now signs that this majority has recently become a lot more than 60 percent.

Drake just told me on the phone that he is now in direct contact with the underground on a mass level.

He is now working with every significant group having to do with freedom. The numbers are incredible. There are crushing demands on his time as a result. Everyone wants to get clear on how they can help.

His latest show, after our interview, consumed more bandwidth than every other program in the entire history of Blog Talk Radio — combined — and strangled the server.

An estimated 1.3 million listeners tuned in — live. There are already YouTube copies of my interview with Drake that have over a hundred thousand views each.

The original MP3s have been downloaded hundreds of thousands of times from this website as well.

THE MASS ARRESTS



Former Asia-Pacific bureau chief Benjamin Fulford was the first to break this story, as far as I am aware. He has been talking about it for at least three years now.

The complexity of an operation like this is staggering — as this cabal effectively controls the media, and uses murder, torture, blackmail and bribery to insure it is never exposed.

I became personally involved by interviewing Fulford several times now — and posting the transcripts, which have never ceased to be fascinating.

In addition, I began directly working with some of his top contacts behind the 134-nation alliance of countries ready to end Financial Tyranny — as of last November.

If these mass arrests do occur, and I very much believe they will, this will be at least as significant as 9/11 in world history — if not far more so. And in this case it will be significantly positive, not negative.

Everyone will be talking about it. There will be no possible way NOT to talk about it. The scope will be that vast — and all-encompassing.

THE BACKSTORY — OPERATION NORTHWOODS



The full details of the plan, including its origin, are classified — as some of the people involved are still alive. Any attempt to attach it to a particular time window could significantly increase the threat of exposing them.

However, in Operation Northwoods, the US government seriously considered terrorizing its own cities to provoke a war with Cuba — as of 1962.

ABC News published the details of this plan on May 1, 2001 — before 9/11.

U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War with Cuba

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

In the early 1960s, America’s top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba’s then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America’s top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,” and, “casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

You can read original scans of the entire document, in all its chilling clarity, here.

The Wikipedia page on Operation Northwoods is also quite good — at least right at this time.

ONE POSSIBLE TIME WINDOW FOR THE GENESIS OF THE PLAN



Kennedy turned the plan down after it was offered to him. This plan also undoubtedly caused a great deal of alarm among many top military brass.

Seeing Kennedy assassinated, in broad daylight, not long thereafter made them very aware of what they were up against.

The same types of operations detailed in the Northwoods document had now been used against their own Commander in Chief.

For those who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and its people, against all enemies — foreign and domestic — this was certainly a powerful wake-up call.

Very likely this is when the plan for mass arrests started to gain momentum and support.

ANOTHER TIME WINDOW FOR THE PLAN: NIXON’S PLANNED COUP



When I did the interview with Drake, it occurred to me that Nixon’s planned coup, which he circulated amongst all the top military brass, undoubtedly influenced the plan for mass arrests.

I had first read about this in William T. Still’s epic work, New World Order. Here are a few excerpts from the first chapter, which spells it all out.

Excerpts from New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies by William T. Still

7 On about October 15, 1973, I was given a memorandum by my father, Lt. Col. William L. Still, a retired Air Force officer, one of the architects of the military’s defense communications network.

On October 3, 1973 he was approached by an acquaintance, Joe Josephson, who claimed he had connections with the White House of President Richard M. Nixon.

This acquaintance asked my father how he and his military friends would feel about a military takeover of the U.S. government….

The Watergate hearings had gone on throughout the summer and now President Nixon was refusing to comply with court orders to surrender the White House tapes as evidence….

My father was dumbfounded by the suggestion that a coup was afoot. Fortunately, he was able to conceal his shock long enough to learn some of the details from his associate, Mr. Josephson.

LT. COL. STILL’S MEMORANDUM



8 Shortly thereafter, he wrote a memorandum detailing the incident and circulated it in military intelligence and FBI channels. This startling memorandum reads as follows:

MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

Subject: Rumor concerning planning for a Military Coup within the USA.

INTRODUCTION

My name is William L. Still, Lt. Co., USAF (Ret). I am not an alarmist, and consider myself to be intelligent, objective and an analyst of above average capability. I am writing this statement only after careful consideration of its potential impact on both the country and myself…

A committee exists which is dedicated to… keeping Mr. Nixon in office by any means – INCLUDING A MILITARY COUP BY HIGH RANKING OFFICERS!

I heard this rumor on 3 October 1973. The man from whom I heard this story stated that he had recently been “sounded out” on a writing job for the committee, and that there was apparently unlimited money behind it as “price was no object” in salary discussions….

We then entered into a discussion on the tactics which could be used to execute such a coup.

During the course of the discussion, I was questioned as to the feasibility of the plan, and asked whether I thought senior military men could be enlisted for such an effort.

A PLAN TO BOMB AMERICAN CITIES



This next part of the story is particularly provocative in light of 9/11 — and this is much less known than Operation Northwoods.

Part of this plan to declare martial law and suspend the Constitution involved assassinating the vice president in broad daylight, and bombing American cities.

Then, the whole thing would be blamed on terrorists — and would force a declaration of martial law and the suspension of the Constitution.

Nixon’s continued power would be ensured — regardless of the public uproar over Watergate. That was part of the plan.

10 THE AGNEW AFFAIR – SEPTEMBER 1973

A mass-market paperback book entitled The Glasshouse Tapes was published by Louis Tackwood, who claimed that he was a member of a super-secret domestic intelligence unit of the Los Angeles Police Department which was working on a plan to create a chaotic domestic political situation in the U.S. that would give President Nixon the justification for declaring martial law.

Tackwood claimed that he helped set up a secret operation which would allow anti-war demonstrators to break onto the floor of the 1972 Republican convention, then scheduled to take place in San Diego, just as Vice-President Agnew began to speak.

Tackwood and his accomplices would then cause a riot on the convention floor, with the demonstrators battling police. During the resulting uproar, the vice-president would be shot on nationwide TV to gain maximum impact.

This incident would be followed by a wave of nationwide bombings, for which the revolutionary left would openly take credit.

In response, President Nixon would then have the justification to declare a state of national emergency, and essentially suspend Constitutional rights….

11 The idea in such an assassination strategy is, of course, to create a chaotic condition. This is usually considered a necessity in coup-making. At the peak of chaos, you move quickly and ruthlessly to seize power by force and kill your opposition during the turmoil….

THE STAKES IN WATERGATE WERE HIGHER THAN WE REALIZED



This next set of excerpts are only two of the most powerful examples of people speaking out about what almost happened back in 1973. We are very fortunate that these plans did not take place.

Again — I believe that in the fullness of time, we will find out that the plan for mass arrests significantly accelerated as a result of these events.

12 In June, 1982 Watergate grand juror Harold Evans appeared in a segment of the ABC news magazine 20/20 and said that [Watergate Special Prosecutor Leon] Jaworski had warned the grand jury that if indicted, the president might have “surrounded the White House with armed forces.”….

13 Seymour Hersh, writing in the August 1983 edition of the Atlantic Monthly, stated: …

“The notion that Nixon could at any time resort to extraordinary steps to preserve his presidency was far more widespread in the government than the public perceived in the early days of Watergate — or perceives today.”





THINK ABOUT WHAT THIS MEANS



I’ve just shared two very powerful examples with you, each of which has been thoroughly documented, where certain high-ranking members of the military planned on attacking American cities and blaming it on terrorists.

The Nixon coup in particular made it clear that this wasn’t just to go after a commonly-perceived enemy like Cuba — it was to establish a military dictatorship in the United States, and take away all freedoms promised in the Constitution.

The most significant new data from Drake’s testimony, to me, is how these mass arrests have been planned since at least 1979 — and the briefing document was already five inches thick by then.

It is ridiculous to assume that “everybody is in on it” if they are in finance, media, government, corporations or military. That is a cartoonish, ignorant view — and actually constitutes a form of mental illness.

The reality is that most of the people working in these areas are good. Only a very small number of folks at the very top have been causing all the trouble.

Drake and I discuss many other subjects in our interview as well. Everyone would be well advised to read this and get informed.

My own insiders have told me that this plan for mass arrests has been in very high gear ever since 9/11. However, they cannot move until they have everything lined up properly — and legally. That moment has finally arrived.

Now that I have posted this transcript, I will get back to finishing its companion piece, DIVINE INTERVENTION.

THE MP3 LINKS







Here are the links to the solid MP3 copies of this interview that you can download and store on your hard drive.

These are ZIP files. All you have to do is download them, open them and tell them where you want your MP3 to go. It’s that simple — just like our downloadable products. Here they are: https://divinecosmos.com/media/DivineCosmosDrakePart01.MP3.zip https://divinecosmos.com/media/DivineCosmosDrakePart02.MP3.zip https://divinecosmos.com/media/DivineCosmosDrakePart03.MP3.zip These MP3 files will load into ALL standard MP3 players and also into iTunes. However, iTunes has had some issues with MP3 files lately. If you try to load these files into iTunes and it crashes, you need to update your iTunes. The current iTunes version 10.6.1 fixes most of these bugs. Please update your iTunes to load them into your iPhone, iPod, or iPad in order to listen to these files on those devices.

And now, without further ado, let’s launch right into the interview transcript itself.

INTRODUCTION: THE PLAN FOR MASS ARRESTS



DAVID WILCOCK (DW): Hello. This is David Wilcock. You’re listening to a Divine Cosmos audio blog. Today’s date is, let’s see … the 28th of March. It’s a Wednesday. It’s 6 p.m., Pacific Daylight Time.

I’m here with a remarkable new whistleblower who has just come forward. His name is Drake. That’s what he’s going by.

I contacted him because I have been covering this story about pending mass arrests.

You have to understand the scope of what we’re talking about here. We’re not talking about 10 people, 20 people.

We’re talking about a systematic, potentially world-wide effort — although most of these conspirators are in the G5 countries, so I’ve heard.

[The G5 countries are the US, UK, Germany, Italy, France.]

This is a very wide-spread effort to effectively give us, as a planet, a massive dose of antibiotics — against an infection that has been threatening to almost completely destroy its host.

The host would be the Earth and its people; the animals, the plants, the trees and everything.

DAVID DIDN’T GET IT AT FIRST

DW: Drake came along on the Internet recently. I was sent an email by him, announcing that he was going to have some radio shows.

But, when the email first passed by my desk, I didn’t quite catch the impact of what it was saying.

Up until now, the only people who have really been reporting on these pending mass arrests whatsoever have been Benjamin Fulford and myself.

In both cases, we have, together and independently, sets of contacts, some of which are deeply embedded within the Pentagon, who have reported to us that this is VERY REAL.

In fact, I had heard from an off-the-books source — this is not somebody who’s gone public at all — that this had been sparked by 9/11, to a large degree.

Many people in the military realized that they were not in the chain of need-to-know.

This was not Arabs with box cutters that caused these buildings to fall into their own footprint.

If that could happen — if kerosene can melt steel — then every kerosene heater ever built is a massive hazard; but yet they’re all sitting there just fine.

SOMETHING IS GOING ON HERE

DW: Something is going on here. People know about it. They’re scared of it.

And, in what I call the Sheep Effect, they feel that if they keep their head down, then the wolf won’t know that he’s been spotted.

The sheep who’s dumb enough to look up and stare the wolf in the eye is going to make him charge. That’s the one who ends up dying.

I’m not afraid of death. Neither is Drake.

He’s here, and he has put a public face behind something that, up until now, has sounded like two guys stroking their egos — trying to say something that makes everybody feel good, but has no teeth behind it.

[to Drake] And now, here you are. I want to hear what you have to say.

Why don’t you tell us a little about yourself and how you got into all this? [Sound of an elephant roar]

DRAKE WAS FULLY VETTED OUT

DRAKE (DK): [laughs] What I’d like to do … in conjunction with that is let people know what we’re not.

DW: Okay, great.

DK: This will give everybody a better idea as to what’s going on.

DW: Oh, I’m sorry, one more thing I should point out is that I called you the other night. We spoke for … 4 hours and 22 minutes is what the phone said when I hung it up.

DK: [laughs]

DW: I called you jointly with one of my very senior top insiders. You will now be able to vouch that you spoke to him, and how amazing that discussion was.

More importantly, I’ve trusted him, built it up over years, and he vetted you out.

He actually identified dozens of specific points you said that are not on public record, that you could not have known unless you are the bonafide, authentic, real deal.

I wanted to make that point first.

DK: Cool. [laughs]

WHAT ARE YOU NOT?

DW: So, some disclaimers you said you have to give us here. What are you not?

DK: You know, uh … [takes a breath] there’s a … [sighs] a boat-load of people who would like to jump on the bandwagon and get whatever they can get in terms of snatching names or name-dropping, that sort of thing.

They post a website with a certain name, and everybody gravitates to it because of this or that. Whether it’s selling anything or not doesn’t seem to matter, basically.

I want to make this absolutely clear. There’s a thing out there [on the Internet] called nation-states.

The project we [originally] undertook falls under the definition of what a nation-state is — in terms of sovereignty.

However, there is no such thing as nation-states. It does not exist. There is nothing by that name from us. Okay?

DW: Okay.

DK: Without affiliation, there is even less.

Any of the websites out there that say nation-states is probably somebody trying to either sell a widget or build up their importance.

O r, they’ve got an ego problem — or they want to take issue with what we are about.

WE DO NOT HAVE A GROUP, NOR A LEADER

DK: We do not have a group. There is no group. There are several groups, but no main group.

There’s no leader. And we don’t have a database that we keep on anybody. Most of the people are anonymous, in that we do not know exactly all of the people involved in this.

Primarily, this was a project given to us — and I’ll explain the parameters of it in a minute.

The process was, at first, an accident in some ways. The information I contributed originally came over a radio show where I complained about something.

Somebody took notes, tried it and it worked. We’ll cover a little of that in just a minute.

The only basic thing that we’ve done is a notification process that was defined by the basis of lawful notification of a nation-state, its existence and the proclamation of that to the world.

DW: The idea behind doing this is ultimately for sovereignty and freedom.

DK: Exactly.

DW: For actual states in the United States, as well as for individuals in the United States.

DK: Exactly.

DW: Okay.

WE DON’T KNOW EVERYONE INVOLVED

DK: There are several things that go into this. We’re not affiliated with the White Knights, Gate Keepers. It’s just us.

And we, as I said, don’t even know everybody involved.

DW: Neither do I. It’s funny because another contact I have was demanding that they be put in touch with this group. [DK laughs]

And I said: Look. I only have two points of contact with this group. Well, okay, three, but nobody wants to say anything.

The amount of information I’ve gotten has just been in little bitty trickles.

But nonetheless, if you add up what the trickles are saying, this is an incredible, incredible story of what’s getting ready to happen here.

Some of the things you were saying on the other radio show about how much has already been moved into position and how much is ready to go right now — it’s astonishing.

I want people to hang in there, because right now we’re going through some of the bookkeeping that has to done to build up to this.

But, once we get to the main thrust of this story, it’s absolutely amazing. So, please, go on.

FREEDOM REIGNS

DK: Okay. If somebody wants to know about what we’re doing and they would like to listen to the radio programs which are archived, they need to go to Freedom Reigns.

That’s F-R-E-E-D-O-M, just like freedom. Reigns is R-E-I-G-N-S dot US.

That website has been put up to alleviate us having to repeat ourselves, and the extraordinary glut of letters filling up the mailbox and this sort of thing — so we have time to do what we’re needing to do.

NOT AFFILIATED WITH RESTORE AMERICA PROGRAM

DK: There is one stipulation in this, and I want to make this absolutely clear. We do not have anything to do with R.A.P., RuSA, which is Tim Turner’s group. His people…

DW: Restore America Program [R.A.P.] is what you’re talking about, right?

DK: Uh … yeah.

DW: Okay.

DK: If you go on the If you go on the http://www.freedomreigns.us/ website, there are exposures for that group.

DW: Yeah. I was just going to say, the name ‘Tim Turner’ seems to be popping up in my mind because I think someone wrote an expose’ on him recently, didn’t they?

DK: Yes. One of our principals has an extraordinary library of things that out the group as to what the people in charge were doing, or what they intend to do.

The ultimate goal was to literally arbitrarily create their own government — and put it in place.

Tim Turner has declared himself as a, quote: “savior,” “god,”, or whatever.

All funds collected in the country were to go to him personally — among other things.

And it gets worse from there. I’m not going to get into the details.

DW: Wouldn’t this also serve the function of owning the opposition? Flushing out the people that really want to do something, and making them think that…

DK: I’m pretty sure that that’s probably what the idea was.

DW: Okay.

DK: There’re several of these types of operations. I call it the cabal.

DRAKE WAS VALIDATED IN MANY WAYS

DW: Right. And one of the main reasons why I’m confident that you’re not one of those is I vetted you out with someone who has impeccably proven trust over years of time.

The degree to which we validated you was vast. It encompassed over four hours of discussion. So, I do not consider that you are in that group.

I have to keep my thinking cap on as you’re talking.

I have to remember that one of the epidemics we have on the Internet right now is people who think they’re smart just because they disagree with every single thing they hear.

They believe that every single thing they hear must be a lie — and must be the opposite of truth.

It’s very difficult to counteract that, because it’s a knee-jerk response that people have had due to the extent to which they’ve been lied to.

I know that you’re not lying, because … first of all, your words resonate to me as truth.

And second of all, I proved that you’re telling the truth in a multiplicity of ways in this conversation that we had.

So, please, go on.

DK: I thank you for that.

DW: Sure.

CHECK THE WEBSITE

DK: I want to tell everybody who listens to this or reads it — and I understand it’s going to be transcribed — do your own research and homework, please.

Go to freedom; F-R-E-E-D-O-M. Reigns; R-E-I-G-N-S dot US. Put it in your search engine.

And the website that that contacts run through to the group and things that we get — our radio show, this sort of thing — is all there.

If you need further questions, ask the webmaster. We will see what we can do about supplying an answer to it. Now, basically this is the prelude to what exactly went on.

Uh, you want me to go into that now?

DW: Well, actually, let’s talk about underwater basket-weaving. That might be a little more interesting.

DK: [laughs] I have trouble holding my breath that long.

DW: [laughs]

DK: [laughs] Um…

DW: No. I mean, this is what we’re here for, right?

DK: Yeah.

A VAST AMOUNT OF INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE

DW: I’ve heard from my own sources that there is an absolutely vast amount of incriminating evidence that has been collected that will bring down whatever you want to call them — the New World Order, the Illuminati, et cetera.

You gave me some very specific information about how much of that evidence exists. I don’t know whether that was public or not, so I’m not going to say more right now.

You also have given much more specific information publicly than what I’ve heard privately.

You have fleshed this thing out into a three-dimensional entity that has gone way beyond the point of a speculative what-if, and into: Okay. This is a vast operation.

They’ve been building up to it for a long time. It’s extremely clever and it’s extremely intelligent how it’s been put together.

It has been calculated for maximum effect and maximum success. And there’s a great deal of coordination that will be involved.

THIS IS NOT A MARTIAL LAW, NEW WORLD ORDER TAKEOVER

DW: I think that probably one of the main things that needs to happen, and why they asked you to come forward, is we really need to help the public know that this is not another silly New World Order martial law takeover.

This is what, obviously, certain disinformation outlets are going to try to spin this as once it happens.

But this is in fact the saving of the planet. And it’s the military, as you were saying, not following unlawful orders — and actually living up to their Oath of Enlistment.

It says right in the Oath that every soldier has to swear to, before God, that he will defend and protect the United States against all enemies — foreign and domestic.

DK: That’s the United States Constitution.

DW: The Constitution. That’s right.

DK: You are right about this.

NO ONE ELSE WAS PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER

DK: I came up above the radar by accident. But, nobody else was putting out any of the basis of the plans involved, nor the level at which this is actually coming from.

Consequently, I felt it my patriotic duty to at least lay out some of the basics.

Now, some detail I cannot go into, and won’t go into.

If we reach a certain level, I’ll say: No. We can’t talk about that.

And we can go on to another subject.

THE VIETNAM WAR

DK: The basis for this is that I learned how to walk point in Vietnam. So, shooting at me does not do a lot of good — other than to really upset me.

This is for the simple fact that in Vietnam, every time we sat to eat, we’d get shot at.

Scooping your food off of the ground ain’t no fun. It’s crunchy, among other things. [DW laughs]

It really does things to me when somebody shoots at me. So that’s not something I recommend.

DW: My father voluntarily enlisted in the Army Reserve and served our country in Vietnam. He was actually one of the only journalists over there reporting on, among other things, the rock-and-roll movement and Woodstock.

So, he was sort of like one of the Good Morning Vietnam people. [DK laughs]

He did get PTSD. I had kind of a rough childhood because, in a way, it was like having a drill sergeant for a father. [DK laughs]

That’s sort of the aftermath of how Vietnam has impacted me. I just turned 39 years old.

I have every degree of respect and admiration for your service. I thank you for serving this country.

DK: You are very welcome.

PROPAGANDA AND “FEAR PORN”

DK: The basis of this is two-fold. I learned how to walk point. And now, my goodies are above the radar. So, I got put in the open for two reasons.

One, I felt it my patriotic duty to try to inform the people as to what is really going on — so that they don’t have to listen to a bunch of idiots on the Internet spouting off whatever kind of imaginary stuff they come up with.

People do not need to listen to those bad dreams. That’s primarily what they are.

Most of it is propaganda, and most people don’t know what the word propaganda means. In Spanish, they put it on trash cans, because that’s where it goes.

DW: [laughs]

DK: Everybody needs to get their heads wrapped around this.

DW: I call it fear porn.

DK: Yeah.

DW: I coined that term because I believe that people read this and get addicted to it, because it physiologically stimulates you in the same way that sexual material does.

It actually makes your heart rate go up; your breathing rate goes up. You get a high off of being terrified.

MANIPULATED NEWS

DW: Unfortunately, the Powers That Were, as I like to call them… [DK chuckles] …have very effectively manipulated that human response.

You have entire outlets of alternative news that, as you just said, have built themselves and have profited extensively off of the undeniably pessimistic view they keep having.

It’s almost impossible to listen to them.

When folks like you get on there, who have a positive message, you just come against this incredible wall of negativity and fear, and just … absolute denial that anything good could be coming out of all this stuff that’s going on in the world.

I do believe that good people have seen what’s going on. They’re rising up and they’re not going to take it anymore.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND HOMEWORK

DK: Well, that pretty much sums it up. I’m going to reiterate this again: Do your own research and homework.

It’s not the responsibility of somebody to teach you the basic English language in order to read a website.

Most people have the capability; they just refuse to do so, and would rather go off in gaga land in front of the TV, or play video games, or they’re busy texting their friends and playing with themselves.

The ideology is this — we’re coming up against the wall.

Now, most people — and I don’t care who reads this — most people with any kind of common sense at all knows that.

There are some real serious things going on in the economy. The lack of jobs, the amount of foreclosures [and] the separation of families because of economic problems, okay?

These are some of the basis of the fear that these people who originate it, live on.

LAYING OUT THE BASICS

DK: I’m going to lay the basic[s] of how I found this. It was an accident, quite honestly.

DW: Okay.

DK: I’ve been studying and been involved in freedom movements and all that stuff for years.

I’ve tried, in every way, shape or form, to get somebody to put the beer down and get up off the couch, and do a little something — go talk to the neighbor, anything.

DW: Yeah, but what if it’s really good beer?

DK: Well, yeah. But the problem is, you sit on the couch and all you do is you consume the beer and you yak about stuff that doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

[to David] You probably would have a good conversation, but… [DW laughs] most people are talking: Ooh, look at that guy shoot that ball at the hoop, or whatever.

I’m going to tell you — that’s superficial. That’s one of the distractions.

DW: Absolutely.

DK: Just like texting. Just like a lot of phone conversation, and the things that do not stay on target.

STUDYING FREEDOM PHILOSOPHERS

DK: Within all this, I’ve also studied a lot of what’s called freedom efforts. This includes freedom philosophers and their type.

This man got on a radio show and was spouting off all kinds of half-way measures that would get somebody put in jail if they did them.

DW: You’re saying he was encouraging people to grab their guns and just … Oh, Now is It! You gotta go out there and start shooting!

DK: No. This was even more basic than that.

DW: Oh.

DK: This was like being able to argue a traffic ticket out of court. Real simple stuff.

DW: Oh, right, right.

CRITICAL INFORMATION WAS BEING LEFT OUT

DK: Well, the only problem is that you can get up to six months for playing games with the judge if you do not know how to do this.

This guy was leaving out critical information that would almost guarantee that you got the six months, because you were giving the finger to the judge.

There are some things you do not do.

DW: Yeah.

DK: The guy basically had upset me.

DW: You don’t want to get a Vietnam vet grumpy; that can be a big problem.

DK: Well, yeah. But the deal was this, okay? I needed to know. And everybody had told me: You can’t do this and you can’t do that — okay?

FREEDOM SCHOOL OF TEXAS

DK: Then you have things like the Texas Freedom School or Freedom School of Texas — I forget which it is — that does have some good information, but it is kind of fragmented.

DW: Okay.

DK: Some of it is not complete, even though people would like you to think they are. But for $9.95, you can get the book that explains it all just right.

Well, I’m not willing to pay for freedom.

That’s not what it says anywhere about freedom at all, as far as I can find it.

DRAKE DID HIS OWN HOMEWORK

DK: I decided to do my own research and my own homework.

I had looked at this stuff. I tried to get people up off the couch and that didn’t work. So, I didn’t have much to do except the research.

I started looking at the basis of law, where it comes from. I’m talking about way back in the woods of history.

Some of the places I went required me to have anything that I was intending to copy or borrow a copy of electronically, approved before they would release it.

DW: Hmmm.

DK: Some of this stuff is not for consumption by the general public. They make sure of that.

After two-and-a-half years, I figured out pretty much what everything said.

HE WOULDN’T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER

DW: I’m sorry. Can an ordinary civilian gain access to these documents? Or was this because you had some sort of classified access?

DK: No. It depends on whether or not you’re as nasty as a junkyard dog and tenacious as a bulldog… [DW chuckles]

You refuse to take no for an answer, and you bother somebody until they decide to allow you to do something — simply because they don’t want to fool with you anymore.

DW: I gotcha.

DK: That basically does research, and it covers all of it. Those people who won’t listen, they eventually do when you get a hold of them every day.

DW: Right.

DK: When you just send them 50 emails a day, one every minute or something, it bugs them enough — it’s like mom. [laughs]

When you used to want to get something from mom, if you bug her enough, she’ll say: Confound it, leave me alone!

And it works, okay? [DW chuckles]

So, the song, I believe, was: You Get Your Way by Insisting, okay? [DW laughs]

I insisted, so I got the information.

HOW TO STEP OUT OF THE “NORMAL” CONSTRAINTS OF LAWS

DK: I studied this over about two-and-a-half years. And, believe me, it is intricate.

It is extraordinary. What it told me was a simplistic, basic way to step outside of the normal controls of what people consider as “laws.”

You have limitations, supposedly, between a citizen of one country and a citizen of another.

Those two, legally, are supposedly separated. That’s not quite true. Little things of that nature were what I was after to learn.

I had studied this stuff for about two-and-a-half years. I finally took a break from it because my head was beginning to hurt.

I decided to listen to a little Internet radio and play a little cards on the machine.

And, lo and behold, here comes this friggin’ idiot — he’s one of these freedom philosophers.

This is somebody that thinks they know what they’re doing when they are missing several critical points that will get your butt put in jail — but they want you to try it.

You know: Oh, I’ve done this. Yeah, right.

GETTING OUT OF TRAFFIC TICKETS, ET CETERA

DW: This is the guy that would teach you how to beat a traffic ticket, but you could go to jail for six months?

DK: Yeah.

DW: Right.

DK: That sort of thing. Real simple.

DW: Okay.

DK: If you’d go about it correctly, it works fine. Okay? But if you don’t, you end up actually opposing the judge.

DW: Right.

DK: That’s a big no-no. What you do is, you allow the law to oppose the judge — then the judge has to rule in a succinct manner. Plus, you’re not standing in a land-mine field.

That is not a nice place to stand, believe me, I’ve been in one.

So, this thing gets on there and decides to mouth off about this stuff. All he did was to almost instantly make me mad.

DRAKE CALLS IN TO THE RADIO SHOW

DK: So, I snatch the phone and I call in, and I said: Hey.

And he said: Hi.

And I said: According to what you just put out, most of that belongs in the toilet because you’re going to get people in trouble.

[in a lower voice] What do you mean?

I said: Your information is not total, is not complete, and you’re going to get people in trouble by espousing this, by saying that: ‘You know, if you do this, you can get away … you can tell the judge what to do.’

Well, no, that ain’t part of this and you know it. And if you don’t … I’ve been giving you a lot more credit than you deserve, so why don’t you shut up and listen?

Well, about this time, the host of the show comes on and says: Hey, come on now. You’re going to have to watch it.

And I said: Hey, look. Did you realize that you can be held liable if somebody gets in trouble for what this guy’s saying onto your show?

DW: Hmm!

DK: Really?

I said: Yeah! Now you want me to clear this mess up?

Yes.

DK: Then the guy comes back with this “sovereignty” routine.

I got upset for the second time, and told him to shut up and listen, and maybe he would learn something; that he might want to learn how to read at the same time.

DECLARING SOVEREIGNTY

DK: I laid out the primary basis for what is required in order to declare any area.

Let’s say you got an area somewhere in the middle of Timbuktu-land, but it’s yours and it’s registered in terms of the boundaries, basically.

Or, you have at least real definitive markings as to so you can tell where it is, what it is and how big it is.

You can then declare that area sovereign.

And by doing so, you actually create your own nation-state.

DW: Well, if I declared my toilet a sovereign zone, then I could drop waste into it and be pretty much like the government.

DK: Well, so long as it stays within your area, yes.

By that I mean you should declare the whole yard — and use a finger system if you’re going to do something of that nature. [DW laughs]

That way you’re protected legally.

DW: Right on.

PENNSYLVANIA SOVEREIGNTY

DK: But I’m saying, there are little bits of information. It can get squirrely, and it’s a lot of fun to deal with, but …

I laid this process out. Basically what we did, and the way the process worked, happened, as I said, by accident.

While I’m telling this guy how this works, somebody in the great State of Pennsylvania took notes.

DW: Oh wow.

DK: I didn’t have any idea anybody would even be listening, other than to shut this turkey up that didn’t know what he was talking about.

DW: Right. So, obviously, a state itself could be a “sovereign zone” or declared as such – and those who govern the state could get wind of what you’ve figured out from your extensive research and implement that research.

DK: Yes.

DW: Wow.

DK: That’s basically what happened in Pennsylvania.

NOTIFYING THE HAGUE

DK: The person that took the notes was fairly knowledgeable in the real sovereign legalities and lawfulness.

This person took that knowledge, in combination with what I had put together, got with some other people, and they said: Well yeah, let’s see what happens.

So, they put together a Process of Notification and they sent it off to the International Court of the Hague.

DW: Oh my God.

DK: This is the Civilian Division, as I understand it, or Civil Division. And they, of course, sent a reply back when they received it, that they had received that package.

The rest of it was a receipt of the intent of the package. They had made a copy of what they had sent, a Certified Copy of the original, that sort of thing.

Now they’re sitting on a package there, and the Hague’s got one in their records.

DW: Right. So now you have a complete paper trail.

DK: Exactly.

ONLY A NOTIFICATION PROCESS

DW: This might be like a Subpoena, where the simple fact that the Hague accepted the paperwork by definition locks them into some sort of binding arrangement.

DK: No. No.

DW: Oh, okay.

DK: No. This is exactly and only a Notification Process. I want to make that perfectly clear.

DW: Okay.

DK: What happens through receipt of the paperwork is that it goes into the Hague Record.

In that manner, the Notification then is a Publication, like you’d use in a newspaper to advertise: I’m not responsible for my debts any further.

DW: Okay.

DK: Well, this thing says: We are now a sovereign nation-state.

DW: Wow. Gotcha.

DK: It’s very similar to that, only this is an ‘international newspaper’, in effect.

We have, basically by sending one pack — one little pack like that — created a sovereign, independent nation-state.

DW: Wow.

THE PENTAGON BECOMES INTERESTED IN THE NOTIFICATION

DK: Okay. As soon as that got a receipt that this thing had been delivered, they got a call from a higher-up in the Pentagon.

DW: Mmm.

DK: And that person says: I understand you guys have been doing some Notification internationally?

Yes.

I understand that you seem to find this process as being rather simple?

Yes.

The next thing was: Do you think you can replicate or reproduce that sucker?

And the person went: I don’t know.

DW: Mmm.

THE PENTAGON SAYS “GO FOR IT”

DK: What you got right then was: I have no idea, quite simply. We can see what’s available; we can try and find out.

The guy — the person at the Pentagon … I’m not going to say it’s a ‘guy’ because I’m not going to put gender on it; simply that, you know, it could be a female [laughs].

The man — the people at the Pentagon — said: Go for it. Let’s see what happens.

And they said: Okay, we’ll give it a shot.

Now, these people are involved in freedom, just like I was.

They wanted to be able to do something that was real, proactive, didn’t get anybody in trouble and yet was something that could also be used in other ways.

Okay, they didn’t know at the time what that little simplistic package for that one state did.

They didn’t find out until after they started researching it.

WHEN DID YOU DO THIS?

DW: What’s the time window we’re talking about right now?

DK: In terms of the…

DW: When this all happened.

DK: This started in about October of last year [2011].

DW: Okay, okay.

DK: This is not an exact date. As of November, we decided that we were going to move on this.

I got involved because I knew one of the people that had been involved with these people before anyway.

I was requested, you know: Hey, would you like to be involved in this?

And I said: Sounds good to me. It’s better than anything else I’ve seen.

And then when they hit me with the idea of what it contained, I said: Now wait a minute. I was on a radio show, and I explained to them what happened.

And they said: Really?!

“CAN YOU DO IT AGAIN?”

DK: Okay, so here you go.

You got somebody getting upset because some idiot gets on a radio show; he [Drake] tells them what they can do with themselves, and how to do it for real instead of playing games with things.

Somebody takes notes, they do it.

Then, all of a sudden, officials from the government and the military are interested: Can you do it again?

Along with that, there’s a combination of other people involved with their own shows at different times during the week.

I met those people, and got involved sort of indirectly with them.

THE RULES MAY DIFFER FROM ONE STATE TO THE NEXT

DW: Right. I was going to say, it would seem that each state is going to have squirrelly barriers to go through, different from Pennsylvania, in order to get this all off the ground.

DK: Well, it depends on whether or not you’re a part of the original Thirteen Colonies…

DW: Oh.

DK: …and/or whether or not your constitution is de jure , which is lawful, by Common Law…

DW: Uh-huh.

DK: …or de facto, which is the corporate government. There is a difference.

DW: Okay, gotcha.

DK: I hate those key words simply because people … everyone … people hear it.

They turn the frigging TV on; they don’t want to hear that.

Well, I’m sorry, but you do need to pay attention to the difference.

DW: Right.

THEY DECIDED TO RUN WITH THE PROJECT

DK: At any rate, we start boogieing with this: Okay; we’ll take the project and we’ll run with it.

We were able to receive Notice on about the end of February of this year [2012] that the package, the whole package, of a majority of the states had been received by The Hague.

DW: Oh, wow.

DK: In other words, each little nation-state package went into a big box.

The big box was delivered to The Hague, and we got Notification of the entire package.

DOES THIS CIVILIAN MOVEMENT GIVE THE MILITARY PERMISSION TO ACT?

DW: Let me ask you this.

DK: Yes?

DW: Let’s say the military, in its Oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against domestic enemies, gets word of a civilian-based initiative which demonstrates that the states wish to have their sovereignty returned to them.

Doesn’t that legally give them the right to move forward on this — and enforce the will of the majority of the states?

DK: Well, that’s part of the process I’m coming to.

DW: Okay, great.

DK: This is not just a simplistic process of sending a newspaper clipping overseas with the receipt that it got to where it was going.

DW: Oh, I get that.

THE BASIC PREMISE OF A NATION-STATE

DK: So, the basic premise of a nation-state is this:

What most people used was either their own constitution or they wrote one. It had to agree with the 1787 United States Constitution, to include the 13th.

And I mean the Original Thirteenth Amendment — where certain people are not allowed to hold foreign offices here in the states.

The Bill of Rights, the Articles of Confederation, and that real cool document called the Declaration of Independence.

DW: Mmm.

DK: By declaring our sovereignty and our disengagement, or our effort to remove ourself — ourselves; ourself meaning individual states — from the corporate United States government, what this did was to re-birth the Declaration of Independence…

DW: Mmm.

DK: …which states on page two that when the government gets out of whack, you got the right to take care of the problem.

DW: Absolutely.

THE PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECLARATION

DK: Now, here’s the other part of this.

The manner and format of using those documents, the original founding documents, in conjunction with a meeting by representative residents of a state, gives those people the right to make the Declaration.

DW: Mmm.

DK: This then gives legal authority, by the civilian authority, to the military to take actions as necessary to back up the civilian action.

DW: That’s what I thought. Okay. Perfect.

DK: It’s kind of convoluted, and I know it’s not real simple. But simply, we sent off Notification. The military gave us a gold star; they just loved it, okay?

WERE THESE ORDINARY PEOPLE?

DW: I’m assuming that, just so people get clear on this, you’re not talking about just a group of ordinary folks who are like surfing the Net and listening to ‘truth radio.’

These are actually people who have some degree of influence in these states that you were networking with.

DK: No. As a matter of fact, some of them are not very well educated. I’m going to make this perfectly clear: You don’t need influence in order to take certain actions.

DW: I see. So, the simple fact that we are all American citizens — everyone whom you’re speaking about, myself included — any citizen has the right to do this.

DK: Yes, basically.

DW: Okay. Perfect.

BECOMING A SOVEREIGN NATION

DK: Now, the premise is this.

In term of declaring your state as free of the United States government — and I’m talking about the corporate government and all of its affiliates — what happens is that each state becomes, according to the Notification Process, its own sovereign nation.

DW: Mmm.

DK: So, this is where the “nation-states” handle comes from.

DW: I see.

DK: It’s just a plurality of what individual states did. You have to have a certain number of people who reside in each state in order to accomplish the process.

It’s not difficult. We do have backup and assistance for that if somebody has problems.

WE GOT A MAJORITY OF THE STATES

DK: In our effort, we got enough of a majority of the states to have a cushion — in case there was some problem with some of the paperwork.

This was along with a fair group of Indian nations, who also submitted paperwork in such a fashion that the basis is this:

The [de jure] United States has been set free from the corporate [de facto] government … literally, on a lawful basis, as recognized internationally.

DW: I just … I can hear the howling laughter of skeptics who are already stroking their egos and saying:

Oh sure, you know, he can say whatever he wants, but if it ever even made it up to the Supreme Court, they would just knock it down, just like they appointed Bush in the whole election debacle between Bush and Gore.

DK: Not exactly.

DW: Okay.

THE ORIGINS OF LAW ON ANCIENT SUMERIAN TABLETS

DK: As I stated, I went back to the origins of law, and the origins of law come from the origins of law as written on Cuneiform tablets by the ancient Sumerians.

DW: Mmm.

DK: The tablet that I was privileged to get a copy of comes from somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 BC.

DW: Wow.

DK: Okay, from that tablet you’ve got Ecclesiastic Law. From Ecclesiastic Law, you’ve got Canon Law. From the combination of Ecclesiastic and Canon Law, you have all of your statutes and regulations that are considered law, under Common Law.

[EDITOR: Common Law predates Admiralty law (which is the corporate “law,” legal fiction “law” and under the UCC Code), which is the basis of all the current statutes, regulations, etc, that currently “govern” the US. It’s all color of law , which means that it’s a mere imitation, an imposture of the Substantive Law that is the Organic Constitution for the United States of America, as Lawfully amended. Color of law has its origins in Common Law, but it does not operate within the Common Law. Common Law is like clear water; color of law is like petro oil — the former supports life, the latter destroys. Note that I underlined “for” above. The two links below will explain why I underlined the “for”:



http://constitution.org/constit_.htm — This is the Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully Amended.



http://constitution.org/usconsti.htm — The corporate version. “Of” means “owned” by the “United States” that is a corporation that was incorporated in 1871. This corporation functions outside of the Common Law and entirely within the color-of-law system. The current US “government” is NOT YOUR government!



This is explained very well by this link: http://www.barefootsworld.net/usfraud.html]

COMMON LAW WAS MADE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE

DK: Now, Common Law was developed basically in England, so that the poor serf — and this is the hired hand that works the land and tries to feed his family and make money for their boss — would have some form of protection.

DW: Right.

DK: In case some dude they were working for decided to go crazy and kick him off the land, he could object. That’s where Common Law comes in.

The basis and premise of Common Law is simple. It contains two basic things. One is, no injured party; and [two] no property damage — and it’s property of any kind — no crime. Just that simple.

DW: Mmm.

DK: This is the basis for much of the legal documentation that we used. It’s also some of the basis for which we used the process.

IT STEPS OUT OF ECCLESIASTIC-BASED LAW AND CANON LAW

DK: The neat thing about this is that the manner of the process steps outside of both Ecclesiastic-based Law and Canon Law.

Any formal statute, be that local, state, national, or international [that operates under color of law – ED.] And it protects itself, because it does not state anything other than the simple Notification Process.

[EDITOR: I inserted the above comment to make sure that people understand that the “formal statute” mentioned is under color of law, which is the corporate, Admiralty “laws” that currently dominate the entire G5 nation structure.]

DW: Mmm.

DK: It stays within the system, but also is set in such a fashion that it’s outside of any challenge. This is the idea that I was trying to find out about…

[EDITOR: If the Notification Process arises anywhere in the color-of-law system, it can be challenged by any color-of-law entity/agency, hence the critical need to stay within the Common Law system.

The value of the Notification Process is that it is recognized by an existing legal authority — the International Court of Justice in the Hague — hence any color-of-law authority automatically has no standing, no power of law over anything within Common Law.

Color-of-law is inferior to Common Law, because Common Law is real and substantive by being based on the land, the will of the People, the Organic Constitution and being in a group of sovereign nation-states united by a Declaration of Independence.]

THEY INTERFERED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE

DW: Well, these occult governments obviously don’t want people knowing about this. That appears to be why you had so much trouble getting those documents.

DK: That’s pretty much a part of it. Now, the rest of it is that they found out about the process we were using, and interfered with that as much as possible.

DW: Mmm.

DK: The Notary seals were challenged. Certain Secretary of State offices refused apostillian documentation, and a whole bunch of things.

IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED

DK: However, in spite of all the fun and games, we did get it done; it has been delivered.

The copy — and I’m talking about the real copy; this is not something you run off a copy machine, but something that is traditionally accepted as a de jure copy of the legal documents.

The copy was submitted to the correct people in the military, who were just delighted to find this.

DRAKE HAD A SECURITY CLEARANCE BACK IN 1979

DK: I’m going to go back to something else. Back in the day, I was involved with nuclear defense of the country.

I had some rather high Security Clearances, et cetera.

Due to that fact, I was allowed at a later date — now this was after the Security Clearances and whatnot.

I had proved that I was trustworthy, because there was nothing I let out that was classified.

There was nothing that was of a sensitive nature that I would divulge, even though I knew it.

And I’ve talked with a couple of people about this.

DRAKE WAS CALLED IN FOR A SPECIAL TOP-SECRET MEETING

DK: Eventually, this certain person wanted to know about me.

I got interviewed a couple times by some Colonels and whatnot.

And finally, one of them showed up in a staff car — and said: Somebody wants to see you. Can you come with me?

And I said: I ain’t going to be, you know, put in the trunk, am I?

He laughed, and we took a ride over to this certain level officer’s house…

THIS WAS IN 1979

DW: What time window are we in right now?

DK: Um, ’79? [intentionally in a questioning tone]

DW: Okay, so ’79 is when this event that you’re speaking of happened.

DK: Basically…

DW: Okay.

DK: …in that area. I’m not going to give exact dates because…

DW: That’s fine.

DK: …I don’t want to have to.

DW: I just wanted a window, that’s all.

IF SOMEONE FINDS OUT WHO THEY ARE, THEY WILL BE KILLED

DK: Let me express this real clearly. If somebody finds out who these people are, they’re dead.

DW: Oh, I know that.

DK: So are their families. They get to stand there and watch their families be tortured to death.

And I’m not going to put anybody through that by outing them.

So, I’m going to say arbitrarily, ’79, give or take.

DW: Okay, great.

A FIVE-INCH THICK BRIEFING DOCUMENT

DK: In that process, this officer invited me into his home.

I asked him what I was doing there, because I had no idea. Now, this is after I’m out of the military.

The officer said: I’ve got something I need you to read.

And I said: Why me?

Then he said: Because I feel I can trust you, and I want your opinion.

He put a stack of papers — it was about five inches thick, in a binder — on the table.

DW: Five inches thick!?

DK: Yeah. I don’t know how many pages; I didn’t bother … [laughs]

I didn’t even get to read it all. I spent about four hours reading, and I went through about, give or take, three quarters of it.

DW: Okay.

DK: I didn’t read the whole thing. I got tired of reading and it was like 4:30, 5:00 in the morning.

DW: Mmm.

DK: And I wanted … I had to have more than just the coffee he was offering, and preferably some kind of a soft place to lay down on. [DW laughs]

“THE PLAN” HAD BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR QUITE A WHILE

DK: So I said: Well, what is it — what kind of opinion do you want?

He said: What do you think of it?

I said: Well, it says: ‘The Plan.’

I said: Where’d this come from?

He wouldn’t really answer. He said it had been in the works for quite a while.

I said: Give me a date. And he did.

And I thought: Well, that’s interesting.

I said: So in other words, certain people took issue with what was going on at the time, and figured that the ship of state was going to head in the wrong direction.

They decided to start putting this plan together so that you guys would have some form of guidance in terms of what the general outcomes would be.

He said: Exactly.

I said I liked what I read.

WAS THE PLAN ABOUT RESCUING AMERICA FROM THE ILLUMINATI?

DW: You might have told this story a lot. You didn’t say anything about what the document said.

I’m assuming [Drake laughs] this is something about rescuing America from these Illuminati people?

DK: At the beginning it discussed how the ship of state was screwing up badly.

DW: Okay.

DK: And to keep it from sinking, they actually implemented the general plan real quick. That was probably the first interest of the documentation.

They did it in such a manner that the people in the military could cause influence to happen to people outside the military, who had the capability of changing some simple things.

WATERGATE WAS A MAJOR AWAKENING

DW: Well, it must have been frustrating to see Watergate come and go. But then, basically, after a little slap on the wrist, it’s all business as usual.

DK: Well, you have to realize what was really going on. Tricky Dick was trying to become a dictator…

DW: Sure. [This can be corroborated in the first chapter of New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies by William T. Still, as we shared in the introduction.

Still features a detailed expose’ of how Nixon circulated a memo asking the military to surround the White House with tanks and troops so he could avoid losing power from the Watergate scandal.

The plan also included assassinating the Vice President during the Republican national convention and bombing cities nationwide, then blaming it on terrorists. This would in turn lead to martial law and a suspension of the Constitution.]

DK: He could not pull the power correctly. So that’s what happened basically, yeah. Somebody got a little slap on the wrist, and nothing really came out of it.

DW: Sure.

“THE PLAN” INVOLVED NOT REVEALING WHO OUTED WATERGATE

DK: Now they did not want to out the fact that they had been involved.

This is the other reason that you saw only a slap on the wrist — and you saw nobody in high office involved in it much one way or the other.

There are a couple of people that were used as scapegoats, but other than that, nobody of significance. That’s exactly part of The Plan.

DW: Right.

DK: However, they could put these people in a real, uh, sticky situation with a lot of pressure — if at any time they decided they didn’t want to comply with the next portion of The Plan, which starts after about an inch of this.

So, you’re going through these things one at a time. And, as this is going, you’re also increasing the scope of The Plan.

“THE PLAN” STARTED WITH THE IDEA OF A MILITARY COUP

DK: Now, The Plan basically started with the idea of a military coup; I’m not going to lie to you.

They were that fed up at that point.

They felt endangered enough at that point that they actually considered it.

Each and every last person involved signed a pseudonym name — it’s a code name. Each one of them has got one.

They disagreed with the idea and said it is not the way to go, because it disagrees with the basis or premise of Posse Comitatus .

This is the law that the military does not have authority over the civilian population — and are not to engage them.

So, there were enough old-timers that disagreed that convinced everybody that it was not cool — so they decided no.

THE PLAN BUILT UP OVER THE YEARS

DK: So, over the years, this plan built up and it got more convoluted. It got more complicated.

DW: And this is all in the five-inch document you saw in ’79?

DK: Yeah.

DW: Okay.

THERE WAS A “DEAD ZONE” IN THE PLAN FROM 1975 TO 1986

DK: In ’79 they didn’t really know which way things were going to go because, if you remember, from about ’75 on, after the fall of Vietnam, there was kind of a dead space.

Nobody did any real serious actions of any kind, anywhere — not in politics, militarily, or anything. During that particular time is where the rest of the document came about.

These people were working 24/7 in order to make sure that The Plan encompassed everything they could think of that could possibly come up, okay?

It’s been added to. I guarantee you that. But the dead zone lasted until about ’85, ’86, when things started happening again.

People were taking definitive action; you had a lot of combinational, political, and military, and financial things going on at that time.

THE THREAT OF TOTAL ANNIHILATION BECAME A MAJOR INCENTIVE

DW: People must have realized, among other things, that the escalating war rhetoric between the U.S. and the Soviet Union could annihilate the planet.

You’re not going to stand by and watch the planet be killed, and not attempt to do something to stop it — if it’s within your means to do so.

DK: Exactly. The threat of total annihilation was one that was unacceptable to any of the military powers, no matter what the politicians told them.

DW: Right.

DK: If the Commander in Chief during those times had stated quite clearly: We’re going to start World War III — shoot your nukes.

The military would have told him to go take a flying leap at a rolling doughnut: No, we ain’t doing that [DW laughs] for that reason.

“THE PLAN” HAS BEEN FOLLOWED EVER SINCE

DK: To go on with this … okay, you’ve got these periods of build-ups. Now, I saw that document way back when. I thought that it probably was a dead duck.

I can tell you right now it’s not only NOT a dead duck, but it’s something that they’ve been following rather religiously.

The thing laid out certain premise[s] — certain areas of concern. Some of those things have changed, so this is why I say that the document itself has been added to and modified.

But the basic premise of it is simply this:

They also, just like me, were extraordinarily frustrated by freakazoids such as the Hare Krishnas, or whomever, who were dancing in California at the time.

They didn’t want those people running the country; they didn’t think they’d really do that great of a job.

THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT GROUPS MIGHT STAND AND FIGHT

DW: I don’t understand how Hare Krishnas could run the country.

DK: Exactly. And that’s what they thought too, and that’s how come they’re not.

DW: Are they saying that these people were socially active and wanted to take over the government, or something?

DK: They would have liked to have found somebody that would stand up as a group and actually do something in terms of freedom.

They’ve been trying ever since the Hare Krishnas, and whomever; war protesters, you name it.

Nobody as a group — collectively, nationwide — would stand up and do anything.

It’s the same problem I’ve had. It’s the same problem everybody that I know in the freedom areas has had.

Trying to pry somebody off the couch. It ain’t easy.

DW: Right.

THEY DIDN’T HAVE THE CIVILIAN AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING

DK: So, they’re kind of bumping along, going: Boy, I hope the end of the world don’t come.

What are we going to do? We don’t have any civilian authority to do anything.

THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE NAMES LEAKING

DW: The amount of secrecy that would have to be observed in order to preserve this plan is vast.

DK: Yes.

DW: I mean, one weak link in the chain and the whole damned load falls and breaks apart.

DK: Well, they weren’t so concerned with that, but they were concerned with the fact that there were certain code names in it that would out people that were seriously interested in implementing The Plan.

DW: Right.

RESURRECTING ORIGINAL “DE JURE” GOVERNMENT

DK: The Plan was simple. The military was willing to back, with civilian authority, a resurrection of what we started out with, originally, in terms of [de jure] government.

The idea that a politician has control over a battlefield is totally averse to the idea of even being on a battlefield.

DW: That’s true.

DK: My recommendation to them was to quietly sneak up — it would take some Navy SEALs or somebody that’s really good — and pick one of them politicians that’s got a big mouth.

You snatch that doe, put him on the battlefield, not necessarily in danger, but get him close enough so that it becomes a personal deal.

And then, when it’s time to leave, again put him back. I’ll guarantee you there’d be a whole bunch of attitude changes.

Well, they wouldn’t do it. That was my suggestion a long time ago. [DW laughs]

THEY TRIED EVERYTHING THEY COULD

DK: Anyway, so, we’re bumping along with this.

I’ve tried everything I could. I’ve had a combination of contacts and whatnot.

I’ve had a combination of political dealings in conjunction with a whole lot of people.

WHAT IS THE TIMELINE NOW AS WE MOVE FORWARD?

DW: I’m sorry, let me just take one moment here to try to track this in terms of a timeline. [Drake laughs]

DK: You can’t get an exact timeline because that will expose people.

DW: I understand, but I just want to give a very vague overview. So, you encountered this five-inch monster document in ’79…

DK: Basically, in that area.

DW: And you mentioned … you mentioned that you still had contact with this insider network, circa ’86.

DK: Yep.

DW: So, these people stayed in some degree of contact with you and continued to spitball about what group you could actually contact that would be able to back you on this.

You kept coming up short, because none of these groups were sufficient in terms of the motive and the intent to actually carry through with this plan.

THERE WAS NO NATIONAL GROUPING

DK: Not only that, but there was no national grouping of any kind.

You cannot take a group from one state and infuse it into another one from another state.

All they want to do is argue about who’s in charge, or whatever — and it is a righteous mess trying to do so.

DW: Understood.

DK: It doesn’t matter what group it is. Believe me, I used to get lists: Here, try these guys. Here, here’s some more. You know?

I must have gone through, I don’t know, I’d say a few thousand groups.

Somebody would have a website on the Internet, I’d contact them. I tried everything that I could think of.

I tried being nasty. I tried actually putting pictures of politicians out visiting whorehouses. You name it, I’ve tried it. [laughs]

I couldn’t … I didn’t even get the politician to get mad. [DW laughs]

I mean, he wouldn’t address it because he didn’t have to, you know: It was just somebody, some idiot; he probably made the picture up, duh-duh-duh-duh.

THEN ALONG CAME THE PENNSYLVANIA ISSUE

DK: And so, we’re bumping along. I’m bumping along and I’m beginning to get tired of it. Quite honestly, I was even at the point of quitting.

I just thought, you know: Well, I got my gun. Hopefully I’m still able to shoot it if they decide to break down the front door. I was giving up.

And, lo and behold, along comes this crazy person in Pennsylvania, who takes notes on a radio show.

And this was back mid of last year, give or take, actually probably around May — May / June area — that I got on that radio show.

These people took notes, and all of a sudden, they did it. And then, all of a sudden, they contact some of the people that I’m in contact with.

I’m just kind of playing around, seeing what’s out there.

And they say: Hey — we’ve got a possible project!

I said: What’s that?

They explained it to me.

I said: Now, wait a minute. I put that out over a radio show just not too long ago.

And: Well, somebody not only took notes, but they did it.

I said: You’re kidding me. You mean somebody got off the couch?

Yes.

DW: Wow. After all those years. It’s just incredible.

DK: Well, so over the period of time from about the 20th of February this year [2012], since that day, we have had a free country.

THE MILITARY WILL ASSIST

DK: Now, The Plan is this.

The military will back [the civilians]… and believe me, you’ve got to have the military involved. Whether you like it or not, it doesn’t make a difference.

Now, there’s a difference. You do have good guys and bad guys, no matter where you go. There are more good guys than there are bad guys in the military.

I have found very few that are actually really evil, even in the bad guys. Some of them ain’t too cool to be around, but most of them are pretty great people.

As a veteran, I fully support our troops. Period. So does everybody in this movement.

DW: I would say that people join the military to pledge their lives to defend and protect the Constitution — and the people.

DK: Yeah, exactly.

DW: They’re not out there to enhance the lifestyles and comfort of the rich and famous, or those who don’t wish to be famous, but who are oligarchs who basically are living off of everyone else.

DK: Yes. That’s true.

DW: That’s not what they did it for.

IF YOU WORK FOR THEM, THEY WILL STAB YOU IN THE BACK

DW: All you have to do is watch a few of these Illuminati propaganda films to realize that if you do work for these people, they will stab you in the back — almost as a law of nature.

Anybody who thinks that working with them is a good move — wait until what happens when you’re no longer useful.

See how quickly they’ll torture and kill you and everyone you care about. Nobody is immune from that.

MASS RESIGNATIONS

DK: It’s even actually worse than that. The onion that makes up what we’re talking about has basically four levels to it.

The outer level was notified, on the same day that our package landed in the International Court, that they were no longer under their protection.

Over a period of a few months there have been several thousand resignations, house arrests.

There have been tons of banks closed, or closed for a couple days and reopened. You name it.

This is not just bankers; this is also financiers, your exchange people, everything.

DW: Oh yeah! I cover it on my website. There’re 358 resignations [actually 450 at the time I did this interview] documented by somebody going under the anonymous name American Kabuki.

There’s a link for every single one of them — and they’re all in chronological order.

This includes, on February 29th, the resignation of James Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch’s son, from the Executive Chairman position of News International Corporation, which is Fox.

DK: Yeah, that’s basically called a protection move.

It wasn’t a question of them protecting him as much as it was his own protection, because he didn’t have that much to do in terms of the illegalities that Dad pulled.

DW: Right.

DK: He’s just … actually he’s not all that bad one way or the other, in comparison to some of them.

LET’S SEE IF WE’RE HEARING YOU CORRECTLY…

DW: But to get to the deeper grain of what you’re saying, if I’m hearing you correctly.

I’m getting that you had this package delivered to The Hague.

That was the critical moment in which those on the inside were aware that these mass arrests — that have been planned ever since the five-inch document you saw in 1979 — could actually move forward.

This could be done by the will of the civilians in terms of Common Law, going back to the Code of Hammurabi and 11,000-year-old documents.

DK: Exactly.

DW: Okay. Great.

DK: When they received it and it got past their agents who worked at The Hague, they knew that it had arrived because that person was made aware.

There was nothing they could do about it.

So consequently, their protection evaporated. This is like steam on a hot highway. The sun comes out, and poof — it’s gone.

DW: [laughs]

DK: Okay. Well, there are thousands of resignations in Europe to date. Now in one week, and I’m talking last week, there were 450 resignations, retirements and this stuff — and 200 arrests.

DW: That’s a staggering number.

DK: That’s 650 people involved in finance. Now, here’s the difference.

THEY HAVE SYSTEMATICALLY CONTROLLED THE MEDIA

DK: Those people under house arrest or who have been taken into custody, or who retired and are staying at home, are considered not very important, one way or the other — they are primarily figureheads and not much more.

DW: Right.

DK: The difference is those who were arrested, those who are being arrested and those who are going to be arrested — that’s the second layer of the onion, i n other words…

DW: This is why we’re not seeing a lot of newspaper and website articles about this.

There’s no accountability of these people getting arrested in the outside world, because they don’t have a public position.

DK: Well, not only that, but the mainstream media’s controlled by them.

DW: Exactly.

DK: Therefore, you’re not going to hear this.

OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD — AND WOODROW WILSON’S QUOTE

DW: I documented that extensively in my investigation, Financial Tyranny. It goes back to Operation Mockingbird…

DK: Yeah.

DW: …and traceable information regarding the Masonic Order and guys who, in 1826, were saying: Yeah, we own the press, we own the judiciary, we own the police and we own the government. F you if you don’t like it.

DK: Yeah. Basically, there’s nothing you can do about it.

People have alluded to the fact that there’s something out there everybody’s afraid of in terms of industrialists, people of power. This is basically what they were afraid of.

DW: That’s Woodrow Wilson’s quote in his book, The New Freedom. Yes, a very important quote.

DK: Exactly.

THE G20 COUNTRIES ARE ON THE EDGE – AND COULD GO EITHER WAY

DK: What people didn’t realize was the limitation of … you mentioned the G5, I’m going to say the G20.

DW: Okay.

DK: And the reason I say the G20 is that some of these nations have not quite come to the light yet that they have got a real serious problem, or how serious it is — and they’re not fully under the control, or fully beholding to, or involved with the G5.

DW: I understand.

DK: T hey’re kind of on the edge, and they could go either way.

The basis of this is very simple.

HOW THE ARRESTS WILL BE MADE

DK: Several things have happened.

Number one — we convinced enough people to abide by documentation, done the correct way.

We submitted it to The Hague in terms of a majority of states.

This basically set a precedent for being free, and for military/civilian action.

The military backs us up by way of federal Marshals [U.S. Marshals], who contact local law enforcement.

Local law enforcement actually makes the arrests.

HOW DO THE FEDERAL MARSHALS FIT INTO THIS, EXACTLY?

DW: I’m sorry, just so that people understand, are federal Marshals members of the Army National Guard or the Air Force? Or what are federal Marshals?

DK: [laughs] federal Marshals are federal law enforcement officers, basically.

DW: Okay.

DK: The definition, though, is: by present authority, which puts them in the trick bag of having to follow the edict of what we’ve done in terms of the will of the people to go along with the military plan.

[EDITOR: I’m going to not capitalize “federal” because that’s not part of the official name like “Marshal”; if Drake had said “US Marshals,” then I would have capitalized “US,” of course.

What’s great about US Marshals is that they date all the way back to the original Republic, so their source of power PREDATES their conversion into a “Service” that supports the current, corporate form of government.

The reactivation of the Declaration of Independence reactivates not only the Republic, but any Lawful police-related offices that the Republic had on all levels – County, State, etc, including the US Marshals acting under the Organic Constitution.

Another important thing to understand is that the local County (de jure County, not the corporate county) Sheriff is THE #1 Lawful Officer in the de jure County.

He has the full power to apply the necessary police action to protect the fledgling, born-again Republic within the County.

His power supersedes ANYONE acting under color of law, be it county, state and federal. A sheriff can order the CIA, FBI, FEMA to leave. Period.]

US MARSHALS ARE INDEPENDENT OF MOST OTHER GOVERNMENT ASPECTS

DW: If you wanted to meet a federal Marshal, what offices would you go to? I mean, are they FBI? Are they CIA? Are they Homeland Security?

DK: They’re on their own.

DW: Okay.

DK: That’s the nice thing about a federal Marshal; he’s relatively independent of most things, okay?

There are some that say: I’m in charge of them. T hey’re liable to get a strong argument that that only depends on the situation.

In some situations a citizen is in charge of the FBI or the CIA, depending on the situation, and it varies.

But basically, a federal Marshal is between; he’s a federal employee of the current power.

DW: Okay.

DK: Okay.

So, the Notification Process authorized the military to contact the federal Marshals, who then contact the local authorities to actually take the actions of arrest.

HOW WOULD YOU FIND A US MARSHAL?

DW: Okay. This might piss some people off but I really want to clear this up. [DK laughs] Do these Marshals exist in different offices?

I mean, how would you find one? What kind of offices would they be employed by?

DK: National Security Administration would probably be the end office if you wanted to really look them up in that relationship.

DW: Okay.

[EDITOR: Drake is one man and it’s OK that he doesn’t know everything about this. That shows he’s the real thing.

It turns out that the US Marshals predate the NSA.

Thus, the Republic-based aspect of the US Marshals is superior in lawful power to anyone in the NSA.

The NSA is a color-of-law agency that derives its power wholly outside of the Common Law / Constitution.]

US MARSHALS ARE ALLOWED TO CROSS STATE BORDERS

DK: They are primarily tasked in such a way that a federal Marshal can go across the border — when the border is common to the country he comes from.

So you could go from, say Arizona or New Mexico, into Mexico if need be, and you would have law enforcement authority there, okay?

DW: Would these Marshals potentially be employed in a police station? Would they be at the police station?

DK: No, they have their own offices, federal Marshals offices. There’s a variety of them.

DW: Okay.

DK: They have a combination of different duties.

DW: I don’t mean to sound like an idiot. I’m just cautious to make sure that people don’t think that you invented the term “federal Marshal”

I don’t want them to think that it’s just some guy on the Internet…[Drake laughs] reading websites and: Oh yeah, I’m a Marshal and here’s the little badge that I made.

DK: [laughs] Yeah. I bought one of those yesterday down at the Dollar Store. I understand what you’re saying.

DW: [laughs] This is real. These guys are federally employed.

AIR MARSHALS

DK: Well, they’re … You’ve heard of Federal Air Marshals?

DW: Yeah, yeah, they’re on the airplane.

DK: He is a federal Marshal. He just simply is on air duty.

DW: Okay. Got it.

DK: That’s all the difference there is.

[EDITOR: I don’t mean to undermine Drake’s info here, but the Fed Air Marshals seem to be a part of TSA, not of the US Marshal Service.

I’ve searched through the US Marshal site and see nothing related to any air service, other than prisoner / alien (human) transport in jets.

Federal Air Marshals were started by Kennedy; it was later absorbed into the monster of the TSA, which in turn is part of the DHS.]

US MARSHALS STAND BETWEEN CIVILIANS AND MILITARY

DK: There are a lot these guys out there. They’re very well trained, they’re very knowledgeable and they’re extraordinarily professional.

DW: And they’re not soldiers?

DK: No. That’s the neat part about this. They’re in between the civilian and the military.

DW: Right.

DK: Okay. Now, you’ve got those three entities: the military, the federal Marshal and the local law enforcement.

What our paperwork did was to give the military civilian authority to contact the federal Marshals, to contact local law enforcement — and have a BIG party for all these arrests.

DW: Wow.

[EDITOR: If I may add another note here, “Law Enforcement Officers” is the term for the corporate-service cops.

“Peace Officers” is the term for police officers who serve the Republic.

There are many cops within the current color-of-law framework who would not hesitate to support the police action to bust the color-of-law conspirators – and support the re-creation of our beloved Republic.]

NO COUP, NO DIRECT MILITARY ACTION, AND NO MARTIAL LAW

DK: This does not include any military coup. It does not include any military action, and it does not include martial law.

None of that is going to happen.

What is going to happen is you will see federal Marshals backing up local law enforcement, taking people into custody.

There may be a stand of troops — in case they need extra bodies to snatch somebody that decides to run.

Or, let’s say there’s a whole bunch of people in a building, and they didn’t know there were 7,000 of them in there.

Y ou’re going to need an extra hand in order to incarcerate all these people, put them on the bus and send them wherever they need to go.

So the military will act in a backup fashion, in some ways.

THIS DOES NOT VIOLATE POSSE COMITATUS

DW: Does that violate Posse Comitatus?

DK: No, because the military is not acting as a police force directly.

DW: They are assisting a police action.

DK: Exactly.

DW: Okay, got it.

DK: And the police action is one of control of and/or prevention of rioting or general civil disobedience that would call for a police situation.

You have to look all this stuff up.

A regular protest of citizenry basically can be met with a general police force.

The people that called out the National Guard on several occasions during things that were a problem have found that they acted illegally.

They were told: Don’t ever do that again.

There were a lot of people who were informed that this is a no-no, [that] is ok, and don’t you cross that line.

DW: Sure.

MORE DETAILS ON WHAT “THE PLAN” STIPULATES

DK: Ok, so you’ve got these three entities. Now back to The Plan. The Plan stipulates several things.

One — you’re not going to have a police state. You’re not going to have the military in control.

It’s not martial law. They’re not going to come in the house and snatch you up. That ain’t happening.

THE INTENT AND PURPOSE IS TO MINIMIZE CHAOS

DK: What’s happening is this — the intent and purpose of this plan was to minimize the chaos involved in the action.

Now, when you arrest several thousand people in a city, it’s going to create a little bit of a hubbub.

People are going to see the military. They’re going to see a lot of policemen doing their jobs — and this will be on video.

I mean you’re going to have CNN and all the local news people. Everybody is going to have some kind of video of this stuff.

WILL THE POLICEMEN BE IN RIOT GEAR?

DW: And I assume these policemen will probably be in riot gear, which will have black uniforms and scary-looking stuff.

DK: Maybe. That depends on whether or not they expect problems with who they’re dealing with. Generally no, because it’s not a riot situation.

DW: Okay.

DK: It could turn that way. They’ll bring the gear. I mean, it’ll be in the trunk, most likely.

Most of your people that have been responsible for the problems are office-type people.

They’re not necessarily physically active or capable.

And, to go along with that, they’re not going to torture them, or say “Oh, he fell down 14 flights of stairs” — or any of that.

DEEPLY EMBEDDED MOLES READY TO MAKE THEIR MOVE

DW: I’ve heard from my own insider that there are an astonishing number of very deeply embedded moles who are much closer to these people than they ever thought anybody would get — and actually not have been outed.

DK: Exactly.

WE WILL BE NOTIFIED A DAY IN ADVANCE

DK: There’re a couple of things in this. First of all, the gist of The Plan is to not create chaos. In other words, you’re going to have public announcements. There’re a couple of things in this. First of all, the gist ofis to

People such as yourself and myself will be notified approximately a day ahead of schedule — in terms of putting this on the Internet so it can go viral.

DW: Okay.

DK: I would imagine, doing this interview, this is going to get kind of viral-like.

DW: Very much so. Some of my videos have millions of views. This will be distributed throughout hundreds, if not thousands of different blogs, and re-posted.

And if we let people know that there’s going to be a one-day window of notification, you can absolutely guarantee that there will be a massive tidal wave of publicity once this moment arrives.

DK: Well, that moment arrives when we are given the green light to notify our people — the ones that we have contact with.

At that point, then, it is to go viral on the Internet. We have been asked to try to access as much mainstream media — be that AM radio or whatever, it doesn’t matter — but as much as we can.

THIS IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT

DW: I would imagine that the oligarchs, who are the bad guys, are going to be hearing this and getting their soldiers and their mercenaries to listen to this and say:

You gotta get these SOBs, because they’re trying to overthrow the government.

DK: No. What we are doing, in terms of the action that’s going to be taken — and I’m not talking about us or our actions — our actions are only a part of The Plan.

The Plan, basically, is to arrest these people. No destruction. No firefights. No gunplay or any kind of violence, if possible.

The idea of this is — no chaos, no violence, AND a legal way to do it — a lawful manner in which to conduct the operation.

This has been coming since George Washington made federal districts out of our innocent group of Thirteen Colonies. So, [laughs] uh …

THE PLAN CALLS FOR FULL STABILITY IN ALL INFRASTRUCTURE

DK: The Plan also offers protections of keeping the lights on, making sure the Internet works, that the phone works, you can flush the toilet, you can go to work and not have to worry about it.

DW: Right. We’ve heard from other insiders — in fact, it was from the one you met on the phone with me.

These people, since the ’80s, (and I mean the conspirators now, the bad guys) have elaborate plans to blow up a whole bunch of bridges, wipe out power, wipe out sewage and wipe out water, in the event that anything like this were to happen to them.

And I also know, however, that there are so many moles and so many people who will not stand by and let this happen, that if they think they’re going to be able to do this, they’re sorely mistaken.

But they may try, and there may be certain levels of disruption that will need to be prevented, as you’re saying.

TACTICAL POSITIONING IS GOING ON – RIGHT THIS MINUTE

DK: Right now, tactical positioning is going on. And I mean right this minute. The tactical positioning is being done in such a manner that nobody’s going to be the wiser.

DW: Right.

DK: These are regular people they see every day. They have no idea that that person happens to be an agent for the good guys, as you say, moles or however you want to look at that, okay?

THEIR POWERS HAVE BEEN CURTAILED TREMENDOUSLY

DK: Irrespective as to what the fear mongers will tell you, the bad guys have lost enough funds, lost enough support and there are enough people that are upset with them that their powers have been curtailed tremendously.

DW: Well, look, Drake. They wouldn’t have done those bailouts if they could have possibly avoided it.

DK: Right.

DW: That was an astonishing move [DK laughs] that really showed that they are just absolutely grasping at straws.

It’s like Wile E. Coyote when he’s paddling in the air and he hasn’t realized he’s falling yet.

DK: [laughs] Exactly.

RECENT EXECUTIVE ORDERS ARE A SIGN OF DESPERATION

DK: To give you an example of how desperate they are, they just had a couple of executive orders from their main lackey in the White House saying that they got rights to everything.

DW: I’m well aware of that, and it’s utterly astonishing.

The only thing I can think of is this.

These guys are so desperate and they’re so lacking in common sense that they think that even at this late stage in the game, they can be in this poker-bluff.

They think they can actually get people to believe that they could have the boots on the ground to enforce these ridiculous, ridiculous executive orders.

DK: Well, then you’ve got the NDAA, which didn’t help. Basically, as you’re saying, the idea is to foster fear within the freedom movement — and primarily within the citizenry.

DW: Well, it’s working very well.

DK: I’m glad to see people stand up and start taking these things to task, at least.

DW: Yeah.

DK: That shows that there are some people out there that do have some guts.

THESE ARE LAST-GASP EFFORTS

DK: Primarily though, you have to remember that these are last-gasp efforts.

The only thing they’ve got left is, at this point, mostly control of the press — and they’re losing their grips on that.

They are doing this sort of shake-the-bush-to-see-if-the-rabbit-comes-out maneuver right now.

DW: As I was saying, you have to have people to hold the guns.

DK: For anybody who wants to listen to it, I addressed the troops. That’s active duty, reserve, retired and disabled.

That is again, on the website, freedomreigns.us.

THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS THAT CONCERN THE ACTIVE DUTY TROOPS

DK: The basic thing I have heard from active duty troops is that they have two things that concern them.

The first one is that if they disobey orders — it doesn’t matter whether it’s lawful or not — but they’re going to be kicked out of the military.

Well, there ain’t any jobs out there, and if these guys ain’t got skills, they’re screwed — and they realize this.

They’re a little bit fearful of that.

NINETY PERCENT OF TROOPS WILL GO AWOL IF MARTIAL LAW IS DECLARED

DK: The other part is that if somebody decides to declare martial law, 80-some, 90% of them, give or take, are going to go AWOL.

And they’re taking their equipment with them and going home.

DW: NINETY percent?

DK: Well, somewhere between eighty and ninety percent are saying: No. That ain’t happening.

DW: Wow.

DK: We’re not going to go after somebody’s grandma with a combat weapon. That’s stupid, okay? That’s ridiculous.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAWFUL AND UNLAWFUL ORDERS

DK: What you have to remember is that there’s a difference between lawful and unlawful orders or directives.

The unlawful order or directive will tell you to go against what you know to be the truth — according to the Constitution.

Posse Comitatus says that you are not a police force.

Therefore, you are not to go in and extract people from houses.

That ain’t cool. And it’s not to happen.

And you will receive counter-orders, possibly, that tell you: Nah, forget that — and arrest that officer.

That’s liable to happen if somebody ordered it.

So, the lawful order is going to be something that is going to be in operation that can be carried out lawfully.

WHAT IF A SOLDIER IS PUT UNDER NATO JURISDICTION?

DW: I’ve heard some people say, “Oh, the U.S. government is under the jurisdiction of the United Nations or NATO.”

What if they tried to make the soldier have a NATO badge that he’s operating under?

DK: Okay.

DW: Is that a lawful order?

DK: Well, okay. That gets into the issue of being in uniform.

You are not allowed to carry out your service duties when you’re out of uniform.

You take your shirt off, leave it off, go to formation in your T-shirt, and you’ll find out how that feels.

DW: Hmm.

DK: The basis of this goes to the fact that you are in the United States military. And I don’t care which branch it is — doesn’t matter.

You have to have, to be in uniform, the stars and bars above any other service emblem — to include your insignia patch. That includes the United Nations and NATO.

WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE

DK: Now, the problem is that we made agreements in 1933 and 1945, which primarily started with the North American Treaty Organization, known as NATO.

These agreements also deal with the United Nations, where basically, the group known as the United Nations and/or NATO, or an authorized group of nations that are our allies, can request or require our presence militarily — and we are required to comply.

DW: Okay.

DK: The reason for this is that our representatives could rescind this, but don’t have the guts to do so. Basically that and that alone.

When they do so, then you come out from under it.

THE DOCUMENTS SUPERSEDE ANYTHING PAST THE ORIGINAL 13TH AMENDMENT

DK: Now, there are some other things in this process people are not aware of. And that is that our documents supersede anything past the date of the [Original] Thirteenth Amendment.

And what it does is, at the point of action, all of the executive orders, all the horse hockey and other garbage that has been perpetrated upon the people illegally after the point of the [Original] Thirteenth Amendment — that’s 1812.

Remember that date and think about what’s gone on since then.

Anything that disagrees with the Constitution, first of all, is null and void of any legal or lawful impact.

EDITOR: This is the best site on the Internet, bar none, for accurate and transparent information about the differences between the Organic, Lawful Constitution of 1787 and the corporate constitution that has been unlawfully in effect since the 1800s.]

Further, anything that disagrees with the Constitution, basically, is to be stricken if it is a law, rule or regulation.

“I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS” IS NOT A PLAUSIBLE DEFENSE

DW: How well did ‘I was just following orders’ hold up at the Nuremberg Trials?

DK: It didn’t. Everybody that did that got convicted.

This is not considered a plausible defense, simply because you know the difference between torturing somebody and not.

The Field Manual states that you’re not to engage civilians. That means you’re not supposed to step on them, et cetera. All of this has been covered.

THE MY LAI MASSACRE

DK: I’m going to give you an example from Vietnam called the My Lai Massacre, okay? There was not too much done with that, but the problem was that several people came up with that exact defense.

And the court-martial said: No. That don’t fly. Period.

Now, they lucked out — and I mean this literally. They lucked out because a court-martial that deals with the taking of civilian life also carries the death penalty.

DW: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

DK: They were lucky they didn’t get executed. And I mean all of them — because everybody that was involved is up for the death penalty under those conditions.

And it’s not up to me. That’s military code.

And I agree with that, primarily.

TORTURING PEOPLE IS NOT NECESSARY

DK: Torturing people and that sort of thing is not necessary. You’re not going to get good information anyway.

Now, if you make somebody think that you might torture them, you talk to them and say: Well, do you really want me to do that?

And they’ll say: No!

And you say: Well then, tell me what you know.

Okay.

And off you go down the road, and they’ll tell you. Okay?

You wait a little while. You treat them correctly, you know, give them a little something, a little water to drink, maybe a little food to eat.

You come back and ask them a second time: Look. That was all B.S. We’re not going to do anything to you. Can you talk to me about what’s going on?

Yeah, man. You know?

And then you get the real information. But torturing somebody? You will tell them anything to make it qui