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Discussion about the article, unrelated to gamergate, but related to the reviewing of games

"Pointing out issues with race, gender, and sexuality in video games' stories should be just as important as highlighting game breaking bugs, terrible graphics, and subpar gameplay."

I don't think that terrible graphics is an as important issue as subpar gameplay already. Extra Credits has already pointed out that graphics are there to serve the aesthetics. Terrible graphics are a non-issue if the game itself is still pleasing to look at and good graphics don't sell a pleasing aesthetic.

Game breaking bugs are also only an issue if they are unavoidable. Pokemon red has a ton of game breaking bugs, but it's not spectacularly awful because of them as they are avoidable if you play through the game how the developer intended. It is somewhat misleading to add it there.

Issues with race, gender and sexuality in video game stories is definitely an important issue that deserves addressing, but it can only work if the game already needs a story to begin with to introduce people to the gameplay. Extra Credits has already pointed out that it's a bad idea to make a game based on a storyline that people have in mind and shoehorning in the gameplay later.

If I had to literally rewrite only this paragraph it would be like this: "Issues with Race, Gender and Sexuality in video game stories definitely can not claim to be as important as an issue as subpar gameplay, but it should be brought up more often than other things that people often complain about despite being at their core trivial issues, such as terrible graphics."

Hex4 talk 21:13 30 november 2016

Hmmm... I do not know, a little bit of anedoctal evidence...--Delibirda (talk) 18:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Ethics in journalism, Neutrality Reporting and Censoring the opposing Narratives

A Quick brief so that this is actually included here instead of having even this part of the wiki co-opted by people trying to push a narrative;

firstly here is the addition i sought to add the the actual gamergate article after finding it to be horribly disingenuous ::

"GAMERGATE : The below account is only half the story, check your research and your integrity, you know maybe try to actually get the opinion of a pro GG'er instead of getting your information from the other wiki pages....

So #GamerGate started following a scandel around a games designer getting undue positive attention for a wholely underwhelming text based rpg after they engaged in explicit relations with writers and/or critics.

The below suggests that alot of harassment took place from the gaming community and basically concludes that games are sexist etc. because of this. Well, here are the official FBI reports on the matter :

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2016/12/fbi-closed-gamergate-case-due-to-no-actionable-leads-evidence/18282/ http://www.gameobjective.com/2016/12/06/fbi-investigation-gamergate-closed/

Thats right internet, gamers do our own journalism now.

I left the original article intact for those who wish to see what the other side thinks (despite the fact that their narrative is basically labelling and adhom attacks, you only need to read the sort of "terrifying and fearful" language they use to know exactly whats going on here...) "

Clearly the perspective of an actual gamer is to much truth for the modders....— Unsigned, by: 86.156.83.148 / talk / contribs

Uh. No. Drink, perhaps? Zero (talk - contributions) 14:29, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

this article could be considered for an award for most biased ever, and this is from someone who couldnt hate 4chan and the 'people' there more — Unsigned, by: 47.55.238.147 / talk No. GG has proven its own claims to be falsehoods. There is no more debate on this matter. ☭Comrade GC☭ Ministry of Praise 16:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC) Additionally, we've been called "biased" by pretty much everyone, despite our self-awareness of it. You have to make better arguments than accusing us of bias. --It's-a me, Lefty Green Mario ! 18:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

The official FBI Report on Gamergate

https://vault.fbi.gov/gamergate/Gamergate%20Part%2001%20of%2001/view

I suggest anyone who is reading this "talk" read the report from the FBI to know that every acusation that was investigated ultimately boiled down to baseless trolling and one really sorry/apologetic 15yr old gamer who joined onto gamergate in late 2014.

I would also argue that gamergate has been around unofficially since the early 2010's ever since atheism+ failed and the feminists began trying to co-opt a different group.

at least thats how long ive been watching this bullshit unfold its just unfortunate that i am both an atheist and a gamer....— Unsigned, by: 86.156.83.148 / talk

Gators suspiciously quiet about Donald's attack on games

Has anyone else noticed this? Zero (talk - contributions) 14:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Hear the cries of Gamergators being "slandered by NBC

GG is dead. Actually they aren't but let's just pretend they are. Also, more ranting. Introductions Before I start, I admit to ranting about deviantART, talking about idiots on that, and sure I gave them attention. I thought I was spreading awareness, but it turns out these guys are allowed to that and I was giving them attention. According to BabyLuigionFire "People who write screed like those in deviantArt are powerless dweebs who just want attention." and its True. Its also true I rant about guys on deviantART (such as wwwarea and Another-Realm who spend their miserable lives complaining about stuff like how Copyright hurts people while believing in the NWO crap and believing InfoWars can do better reporting when the site and Alex Jones that are worse than the "lying Big Media" (cite InfoWars and you still won't be taken seriously, but I'm giving attention.. ugh..)) Enough with deviantART Bullshit! Let's bring out the Whiners /\ I'm sorry for this stupid and pointless Intoduction, and feel free to criticize it, and yes This complaint is a waste of time and babyLuigionFire is right, I'm simply ranting on them, and that is sad coming from me. I should have thought of it soon or later and Yes, I'm Okay. The Whining of Gamergators We have Breitbart crying acid about NBC News slandering Gamers, because what? Gamergators today defend themselves from being called "Racists" and still they despise us all. Breitbart: WWWAAAAH WAH! GAMERGATE IS ATTACKED BY THE LYING BIG MEDIA!! WAAAH WAHH! Then we have this lovely YouTuber believing when they criticize Gamergate for their actions, They are Haters of Gaming Links Proving this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILetnLZJE9c&ab_channel=Rags https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8RQ3czwm0s&ab_channel=Rags Basically Gamergate is Dead, It will be remembered as the anti-intellectual group of "Gamers" who hate Anita Sarkessian and they will be praised by the sick asswipes from Wikis crafted out of Wikia who piss on Anita Sarkessian and call out the "Lying Big Media" I think there should be a list of people who endorse Gamergate. --MysteryMan9000 (talk) 02:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah This is just a stupid rant, Well I got a link from Breitbart proving they Gamergate hates the media, but I digress.i Wait? GG is still alive? I should have thought it sooner.MysteryMan9000 (talk) 02:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Edit request: change "two fucking years" to "three fucking years" under "Death" section

I would do it myself, but I don't have the permissions and don't know what permissions I need :)

Happy 2018. --Vaskuwuqu (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Study of GG demographics

[1] - peer reviewed too. The author mentioned it to @rationawiki on twitter - David Gerard (talk) 16:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Nomination

Please discuss nominating the article to gold here, and please point out violations to the criteria here--Delibirda the Annoying Grammar Nazi (talk) 10:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Talkpage protection

Does this article need to have an indefinitely protected talkpage? Would seem weird to have a gold article with an inaccessible talkpage. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)