he is up there with Bill Clinton probably better but doesn't mean they don't recognize the change in positions over time but still he has talent. Something Hillary Clinton isn't close herself on but I think Bernie Sanders has more certainly with his fire & clear stances on issues, Hillary Clinton doesn't & often appears phony, occasionally gaffes & "dodging sniper fire". The debates with Obama she was clearly using anything at all if it would help her "you can't choose your family but you can choose your pastor" really scraping the bottom of the barrel and people notice that kind of thing maybe those who thought maybe she is our best chance at beating McCain. I'm pretty sure there was a link of you saying Obama has no chance at Free Republic like you are no -- confirmation bias you don't see it both ways. Whatever Hillary Clinton has going for, Bernie Sanders stances not to mention a rare breed -- I have heard him speak. I remember a journalist on Real Time ask where were Democrats like you after his strong stance on issues Democrats should be fighting for when the national strategy was to cowardly run away our successes but no one had the bright idea to campaign on minimum wage increases or any of the progessive issues that won in red states. Bernie Sanders has the best chance to get the support Hillary Clinton didn't get but who cares he'll lose -- I don't know what you hope to accomplish by condescendingly repeating it over & you just know while I think a lot can happen from now to then.