mememolly Profile Joined December 2011 4764 Posts #201 I think numbers of people playing and watching sc2 and RTS in general will go down, the markets shows that easier and more social games like LoL succeed, and I think this is mainly due to their accessibility and social aspect. Unfortunately the idea of sitting alone in a room and playing 1v1s doesn't appeal to the mainstream and probably never will, playing RTS seriously has always been a niche thing in the west and with the rise of more inclusive, "fun", games like LoL the idea of serious RTS games will die off or at least remain a niche thing

noD Profile Blog Joined August 2010 2151 Posts #202 On February 10 2012 05:32 mememolly wrote:

I think numbers of people playing and watching sc2 and RTS in general will go down, the markets shows that easier and more social games like LoL succeed, and I think this is mainly due to their accessibility and social aspect. Unfortunately the idea of sitting alone in a room and playing 1v1s doesn't appeal to the mainstream and probably never will, playing RTS seriously has always been a niche thing in the west and with the rise of more inclusive, "fun", games like LoL the idea of serious RTS games will die off or at least remain a niche thing



Well I somehow agree with that, the social aspect specially

When I play lol i see wives, girls, mothers and old people, when I play sc2 it's just ppl of my age (altho it's rarely possible to talk in a sc2 game)

But perhaps bringing a wider audience to those social games sc2 and its like will have a niche spectator/players base for ever ... Well I somehow agree with that, the social aspect speciallyWhen I play lol i see wives, girls, mothers and old people, when I play sc2 it's just ppl of my age (altho it's rarely possible to talk in a sc2 game)But perhaps bringing a wider audience to those social games sc2 and its like will have a niche spectator/players base for ever ...

Drowsy Profile Blog Joined November 2005 United States 4871 Posts #203 On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.

oo_xerox Profile Blog Joined January 2009 United States 852 Posts #204 On February 10 2012 12:31 Drowsy wrote:

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On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was.

This is......i mean.........you are joking right? I sincerely hope so. The BW at its peak had no competion whatsoever. This is......i mean.........you are joking right? I sincerely hope so. The BW at its peak had no competion whatsoever. I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.

sour_eraser Profile Joined March 2011 Canada 930 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 03:46:00 #205 On February 10 2012 12:31 Drowsy wrote:

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On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak.



Um ok.... I am guessing you dont know much about popularity of BW in korea...

You should find some basic information before you write shit Um ok.... I am guessing you dont know much about popularity of BW in korea...You should find some basic information before you write shit "What's the f*cking point of censoring a letter if everyone and their mother knows what it stands for.... F*cking morons"

Drowsy Profile Blog Joined November 2005 United States 4871 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 07:30:27 #206 On February 10 2012 12:45 jidolboy wrote:

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On February 10 2012 12:31 Drowsy wrote:

On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak.



Um ok.... I am guessing you dont know much about popularity of BW in korea...

You should find some basic information before you write shit Um ok.... I am guessing you dont know much about popularity of BW in korea...You should find some basic information before you write shit

Key word: international. I don't recall there being any MLG, IPL, or NASTL events for bw. There were a few ongoing korean leagues and proleagues, but huge international tournaments were quite rare and everyone had to get excited for WCG every year. The Korean scene was surely bigger, but surely everyone understands korea=/= the world. Yeah, the Korean bw scene was obviously far larger than the current sc2 scene, with numerous televised leagues on different networks, but as demonstrated by the high volume of korean players actively seeking foreigner teams, the e-sports scene no longer revolves entirely around Korea.



And if you check the "joined tl.net" date under "profile", you'll see I was around way back in 2005, several years before sc2 was even announced. Key word: international. I don't recall there being any MLG, IPL, or NASTL events for bw. There were a few ongoing korean leagues and proleagues, but huge international tournaments were quite rare and everyone had to get excited for WCG every year. The Korean scene was surely bigger, but surely everyone understands korea=/= the world. Yeah, the Korean bw scene was obviously far larger than the current sc2 scene, with numerous televised leagues on different networks, but as demonstrated by the high volume of korean players actively seeking foreigner teams, the e-sports scene no longer revolves entirely around Korea.And if you check the "joined tl.net" date under "profile", you'll see I was around way back in 2005, several years before sc2 was even announced. Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.

v3chr0 Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 855 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 07:44:42 #207 Starcraft 2 immediately started out far ahead of BW, and that's of course because Brood War/SC built most of the foundation for which SC2 now lies. I don't see competitive Starcraft 2 dying, and as long as that happens, it will continue to grow as an Esport and as a spectator sport. Blizzard does all it can to protect WoW, which is just a huge money printing machine with a virtual interface. Blizzard makes a lot of money, and gets TONS of recognition through SC2/Esports, theyre going to protect, and ensure it's growth/stability like any Game they make.



As for SC2 itself, the players, tournaments and macro/micro, tactics, versatility will be way more prevalent. I hope the units they chose to add for Multiplayer in the expansions can coexist with a really good balance, and exhibit really cool gameplay. I don't like a few of the units in SC2 right now, but it may just be becaused theyre underused/overused, thats another thing we will find out and I really look forward to it.



SC2 will definitely be going strong then, I can't see it falling with this big of a community JUST following the pros, let alone all the other people who play the game. A lot of casuals are probably lost from the game itself, but as far as viewers go, I don't think it's going to decline, at least overall. "He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor

Drowsy Profile Blog Joined November 2005 United States 4871 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 07:48:29 #208 On February 10 2012 16:40 v3chr0 wrote:

Starcraft 2 immediately started out far ahead of BW, and that's of course because Brood War/SC built most of the foundation for which SC2 now lies. I don't see competitive Starcraft 2 dying, and as long as that happens, it will continue to grow as an Esport and as a spectator sport. Blizzard does all it can to protect WoW, which is just a huge money printing machine with a virtual interface. Blizzard makes a lot of money, and gets TONS of recognition through SC2/Esports, theyre going to protect, and ensure it's growth/stability like any Game they make.



As for SC2 itself, the players, tournaments and macro/micro, tactics, versatility will be way more prevalent. I hope the units they chose to add for Multiplayer in the expansions can coexist with a really good balance, and exhibit really cool gameplay. I don't like a few of the units in SC2 right now, but it may just be becaused theyre underused, thats another thing we will find out

and I really look forward to it.



SC2 will definitely be going strong then, I can't see it falling with this big of a community JUST following the pros, let alone all the other people who play the game. A lot of casuals are probably lost from the game itself, but as far as viewers go, I don't think it's going to decline, at least overall.





I totally agree and I think most of the people who think it will be dead in 5 years somehow are totally wrong. Blizzard wants sc2 to succeed as an e-sport and pretty much all of the decisions they are making are heading directly in that direction. The balancing has been quite good all things considered and they're even caving to the community wrt ladder map pool being similar to tournament map pools; if they really didn't care about fostering the growth of sc2 as an e-sport, they would be catering to casual more. They aren't, and I really can't think of any evidence pointing toward the idea that Blizzard/Activision aren't actively trying to make sc2 a better e-sport. I totally agree and I think most of the people who think it will be dead in 5 years somehow are totally wrong. Blizzard wants sc2 to succeed as an e-sport and pretty much all of the decisions they are making are heading directly in that direction. The balancing has been quite good all things considered and they're even caving to the community wrt ladder map pool being similar to tournament map pools; if they really didn't care about fostering the growth of sc2 as an e-sport, they would be catering to casual more. They aren't, and I really can't think of any evidence pointing toward the idea that Blizzard/Activision aren't actively trying to make sc2 a better e-sport. Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.

Golgotha Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Korea (South) 8318 Posts #209 On February 09 2012 04:30 FrOsTyy wrote:

hmmm I think the opposite. I mean looking at WoW, the first release had less players than the 2nd and 3rd expansion. Cataclysm was the biggest release ever for them. Not saying that is the trajectory that SC2 is headed, but its definitely possible. I think it is safe to say more people played Broodwar than SC 1. Who knows though, it is hard to tell. If HOTS is good, people will get it.



i agree with this man. i hoped others have voiced this similar sentiment as well. HotS and Void will ramp up the competitiveness and skill level of SC2. It must do this or risk being shelved as a game that is too casual for long lasting competitive play. to stand the test of time like bw, it must be harder.



However! Sc2 has an edge over bw in terms of foreign popularity and accessibility to players of all ages. It has a system where noobs can play with noobs and gosus can play with gosus. Arguably, it has a wider appeal! If they can keep this appeal and make the game more "skilled" I strongly believe SC2 has a good chance to go all the way to heaven's bank. i agree with this man. i hoped others have voiced this similar sentiment as well. HotS and Void will ramp up the competitiveness and skill level of SC2. It must do this or risk being shelved as a game that is too casual for long lasting competitive play. to stand the test of time like bw, it must be harder.However! Sc2 has an edge over bw in terms of foreign popularity and accessibility to players of all ages. It has a system where noobs can play with noobs and gosus can play with gosus. Arguably, it has a wider appeal! If they can keep this appeal and make the game more "skilled" I strongly believe SC2 has a good chance to go all the way to heaven's bank.

Teodice Profile Blog Joined June 2010 Sweden 600 Posts #210 My bet is that tournamemts Will decrease in amount which could be for the good. Amount of players and viewers will also fall slightly but we'll still have a strong community with a firm core.



I would not worry. Interest will fall for the game which is natural. People change and New fans will come. If we all just do the best to support the scene we love, it will be successful. You will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not

CrtBalorda Profile Joined December 2011 Slovenia 551 Posts #211 Of course casuals will move on the people who stayed with bw for years werent casuals. They were people who liked the competition. I think it all comes down to if the games difficulty is hard enough and how much people have changed over the last decade. Personally I think if the game gets harder the longer it will last. 4th August 2012...Never forget.....

Scarbo Profile Joined January 2012 292 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 08:38:56 #212 On February 10 2012 12:31 Drowsy wrote:

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On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak.



As I said, you have to consider that e-sports is a much bigger thing worldwide than it was in the BW days. Let me put it that way: if SC2 was BW, it would've failed miserably and nobody would ever speak about it.



As I said, you have to consider that e-sports is a much bigger thing worldwide than it was in the BW days. Let me put it that way: if SC2 was BW, it would've failed miserably and nobody would ever speak about it. On February 10 2012 16:46 Drowsy wrote:

and I really can't think of any evidence pointing toward the idea that Blizzard/Activision aren't actively trying to make sc2 a better e-sport.



Seriously? Maybe the fact that the UI has no clan support / tournament support / ladder map pool is complete bullshit... to mention a few. OFC There's always the "wait for HotS" argument, but to me it's bs. That's exactly what politicians do and we all know how it ends. Seriously? Maybe the fact that the UI has no clan support / tournament support / ladder map pool is complete bullshit... to mention a few. OFC There's always the "wait for HotS" argument, but to me it's bs. That's exactly what politicians do and we all know how it ends.

Drowsy Profile Blog Joined November 2005 United States 4871 Posts #213 On February 10 2012 17:37 Scarbo wrote:

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On February 10 2012 12:31 Drowsy wrote:

On February 09 2012 15:59 Scarbo wrote:

In 5 years maybe SC2 will still be alive, but in decline. I don't see the game surpassing BW... and the fact that e-sports worldwide has grown so much in the last years means that even if it lives for the same amount of time, it still can't be accounted as a success.



IMO SC2 will live a little more than 5 years, but it doesn't have the potential to be an spectator sport like BW is. Seeing that Blizz controls everything, I believe that the longer the game goes, the worse it's going to get (due to Blizz investing less and less time in it).



If ladder map pools today are already outdated and dumb, having ancient imba maps like XNC, who knows what kind of atrocity will be going on in 5 years.





Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak. Okay a lot of people are posting about how sc2 will surely decline and will never be as big as BW was. Isn't it already bigger internationally than BW was ever at it's peak? There's just a bazillion international tournaments with huge prizepools... even though there's only 1 major korean league I think the size of the international scene makes sc2 now dwarf BW at its peak.



As I said, you have to consider that e-sports is a much bigger thing worldwide than it was in the BW days. Let me put it that way: if SC2 was BW, it would've failed miserably and nobody would ever speak about it.



Show nested quote +

On February 10 2012 16:46 Drowsy wrote:

and I really can't think of any evidence pointing toward the idea that Blizzard/Activision aren't actively trying to make sc2 a better e-sport.



Seriously? Maybe the fact that the UI has no clan support / tournament support / ladder map pool is complete bullshit... to mention a few pieces of evidence. There's always the "wait for HotS" argument, but to me it's bs. That's exactly what politicians do and we all know how it ends. As I said, you have to consider that e-sports is a much bigger thing worldwide than it was in the BW days. Let me put it that way: if SC2 was BW, it would've failed miserably and nobody would ever speak about it.Seriously? Maybe the fact that the UI has no clan support / tournament support / ladder map pool is complete bullshit... to mention a few pieces of evidence. There's always the "wait for HotS" argument, but to me it's bs. That's exactly what politicians do and we all know how it ends.

Ladder map pool is actually pretty damn good and there's a lot of solid tournament maps now if you haven't noticed.





UI though I wholeheartedly agree, but I know it's going to get done eventually.

Ladder map pool is actually pretty damn good and there's a lot of solid tournament maps now if you haven't noticed.UI though I wholeheartedly agree, but I know it's going to get done eventually. Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.

Scarbo Profile Joined January 2012 292 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 08:44:10 #214 Gold bases, xel naga caverns, Metalopolis, close positions on Antiga and Entombed... if that's pretty damn good, I wonder what u consider bad. If there was no good maps out there and no community feedback, that'd be acceptable, but with GSL maps, IPL maps and lot's of community suggestions it quickly becomes atrocious to see all those things still going on.

MichaelDonovan Profile Joined June 2011 United States 1448 Posts #215 On February 09 2012 04:33 Facultyadjutant wrote:

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On February 09 2012 04:30 FrOsTyy wrote:

hmmm I think the opposite. I mean looking at WoW, the first release had less players than the 2nd and 3rd expansion. Cataclysm was the biggest release ever for them. Not saying that is the trajectory that SC2 is headed, but its definitely possible. I think it is safe to say more people played Broodwar than SC 1. Who knows though, it is hard to tell. If HOTS is good, people will get it.



Building on that, I loved how huge the metagame changed with broodwar, even if aquited to the lurker alone.



Hots will be the same thing.. I hope



Tournament wise I think we will have come down to 2 or 3 major tournament/leagues. Sundance is already ahead of the crowd trying to establish a gsl esque league in foreign land.





Everything is basically going to be more standardised. . Building on that, I loved how huge the metagame changed with broodwar, even if aquited to the lurker alone.Hots will be the same thing.. I hopeTournament wise I think we will have come down to 2 or 3 major tournament/leagues. Sundance is already ahead of the crowd trying to establish a gsl esque league in foreign land.Everything is basically going to be more standardised. .



Sundance is our messiah. All heil Sundance, bringer of esports. Sundance is our messiah. All heil Sundance, bringer of esports.

Day[9] Profile Blog Joined April 2003 United States 7366 Posts #216 I'll still be doing the daily! :D Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv

BLinD-RawR Profile Blog Joined April 2010 ALLEYCAT BLUES 45550 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 09:12:23 #217 On February 10 2012 18:08 Day[9] wrote:

I'll still be doing the daily! :D



I'm not surprised.



the day that day[9] stops doing the daily, lol like its ever going to happen... I'm not surprised.the day that day[9] stops doing the daily, lol like its ever going to happen... Moderator Woo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR

Ryndika Profile Blog Joined August 2010 1423 Posts #218 Make battle.net less disheartening and more people will stay. Focus on sensible losses (constantly thinkign wrong etc), less on one big engagement.



We also need to make roots quickly to society 'as sc2 community and scene' so it's not just a bubble that will grow up and pop. as useful as teasalt

TheDraken Profile Joined July 2011 United States 640 Posts Last Edited: 2012-02-10 09:19:54 #219 On February 10 2012 18:08 Day[9] wrote:

I'll still be doing the daily! :D





if by then day9 doesn't have some type of framed plaque of solid gold from the community for all he's done...

then i don't know what.





mad props man. if by then day9 doesn't have some type of framed plaque of solid gold from the community for all he's done...then i don't know what.mad props man. fast food. y u no make me fast? <( ಠ益ಠ <)

MichaelDonovan Profile Joined June 2011 United States 1448 Posts #220 On February 10 2012 18:08 Day[9] wrote:

I'll still be doing the daily! :D



Daily secret training for your revival as a progamer? After 5 years of that you would be unbeatable I imagine. Looking forward to it. Daily secret training for your revival as a progamer? After 5 years of that you would be unbeatable I imagine. Looking forward to it.

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