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Cyrus, what a beautiful site! Indeed one can see what appears to be typical Iranian architure in the photos!



But, accordingly this part of your post which is from Wikipeda says;



"And about Bazrangids: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bazrangids



The Bazrangids (also known as Bazrangi or Badhrangids) were an ancient mountain-dwelling Iranian tribe that established a maritime empire outside the Iranian plateau. Their first major overseas possession entailed Mazun (present-day Oman) and the port of Suhar became the region's capital. By the end of the 1st century BC, most of the islands of East Africa were annexed by the Bazrangids. These islands entailed Zanzibar, Pemba, Mafia, Combolo/Comoros and Madagascar."



You must understand that I am sometimes confused by statements like we see above! These people, who it seems were from a "mountain-dwelling Iranian tribe" almost always makes me cringe! Just how does such a tribe move from the mountains to the sea coast and become a great sea-going tribe? There had to be some major transformation for this to happen, but we see, it seems, to happen quite often!



I, for one, have problems which such a major change in the very nature of a tribe or people! Sea-faring seems to have been a way of life that required a great deal of past experience to become proficient with?



But, as I have said many times, I could be wrong?

http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/

An important Persian presence at the East African coast ( commercial/ political ) since the mid /end of the first milenium AD is well attested by many means. ( historical records, archaeological findings etc. ) It's also known dat Zanj/Zenj is a Persian word in origin, usually applied to the darks locals . But, the article claims that Persians were there already since the 1th century BC, and politically controlling much of the region. On what is that based ?



Edited by Sander - 29-Oct-2009 at 21:32

Anyway as I said in this thread Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri



I don't know why some people think Africa = Black = Slave, it is really possible that ancient Elamites, one of the major powers of the Middle East in the ancient times, were black skinned, also some other peoples who lived in this region like the people whom Herodotus calls "Eastern Ethiopians" (Asiatic Ethiopians). "The Oriental Ethiopians have their hair straight; those of Africa have their hair more crisp and curling than any other men.", Herodotus This man was our local guide in the ancient Elamite Ziggurat of Chogha Zanbil near Susa:



Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 30-Oct-2009 at 04:15 I also have some doubts about the Bazrangids and other mass migrations from Persia to these regions before the tenth century, in fact I think migration order could be in reverse, it was very possible that Balcks were called "badh-rangi" (ugly/bad colored) by Persians, of course it sounds insultive, it could be the same word which has already been changed to "Barzangi" (ulgy black), if you search for "Like a Barzangi" in google then you will find this article in JStor: "The Negative Images of Blacks in Some Medieval Iranian Writings".

http://www.zanzibar.org/emersons/site/history.html Though this story cannot be dated to its origins, this coast has been Islamic since the 9th century. The people living here prior to that time seem to have practiced some mixture of animist African tradition and Zoroastrianism, the ancient Persian religion of fire worship -- the Magi who brought gifts to Christ were Zoroastrian. Today, the Zoroastrian tradition has been wiped out by a millennium of Islam, with the exception of three days each year around the 20th of July. The festival of Mwaka kogwa -- literally the year is washed -- is the traditional Zoroastrian new year celebration. Zanzibar remains the only place in the world where a traditional Zoroastrian holiday is officially recognised and celebrated by the majority of the population. Certain regions of Zanzibar, such as Tumbatu, Makunduchi and Kizimkazi, which coincidentally are the oldest parts of the island archaeologically, are the regions most involved in this ritual. The holiday is celebrated by the building of huge bonfires, the staging of sword f ights, transvestitism, and women beating men in public. The celebration is often accompanied by a liberal use of alcohol. Once a year, these people forget for a few hours that they are Muslims and revert to their older tradition. According to a Zanzibar adage, ?to sin once a year is perhaps not so bad.? Mwaka kogwa Festival: Of course it is good read what African themselves say about it:

I ve read the paper. I noticed that the author states : "By the time Alexander attacked Iran, Ethiopia was part of the Achaemenian Empire. This expansionist interest was not one-sided. Black encroachment on the Persian Gulf coast "compelled the Parthians to lead a military expedition into Mozun and Ethiopia...and to force the blacks to retreat to Africa through Hadrmut, Yemen, and the Strait of Bab el- Mendeb."5 ( Southgate 1984 : 5) From what I ve read so far; Cambyses was not that succesful in Ethiopia . Are there other grounds for including Ethiopia ( probably meaning Kush/ Nubia ) in the empire around Alexander's time ?



Edited by Sander - 05-Nov-2009 at 19:59