When the trailer for Netflix’s Gilmore Girls revival finally hit the Internet Tuesday, fans immediately started buzzing. There was excitement, there was anticipation, and there was . . . Emily Gilmore wearing jeans and a T-shirt?!

Yes, the Gilmore matriarch seems to have—at least, in one moment of weakness—started dressing down a bit. It makes sense: with her husband Richard’s death, Emily is bound to be at least a little unmoored from her usual self. As she faces her grief, it appears Emily’s chosen to read some Marie Kondo and pick up the pieces. (Though it should be noted that even when dressed down and cleaning the house, our girl’s still got a glitzy necklace on.) But in our anticipation for the revival, Vanity Fair couldn’t help but wonder if there was more to know about this moment, and the T-shirt seen ’round the world. As it turns out, there is.

Both Gilmore Girls costume designer Brenda Maben and Kelly Bishop, who plays Emily, chatted with Vanity Fair about the T-shirt—and each had her own individual scoop.

Maben had just watched the trailer when we spoke Wednesday—and was shocked to see the jeans and casual tee (with a faded “Candies” logo) make an appearance.

“Yeah, I didn’t know that they had let a little bit of that out of the bag,” she said, referring to Netflix's understandably tight-lipped approach to the upcoming revival. “I mean, you could have hung me up by my fingernails, and I wouldn’t have told you [about the casual wear].”

Maben said she understood the shock that fans feel; after all, Emily is known for her “Old Money,” St. John Knits attire. (For what it’s worth, we’re guessing Emily doesn’t spend too long in her newly dressed-down look: she can be seen in various production stills looking glamorous as usual.)