Oh they hate us period, that’s why it doesn’t matter.

In a relationship? Clearly you are an oppressive misogynist, forcing a woman into the slavery of a relationship, making her do housework and what not. If you didn’t marry her that’s misogyny because she needs to be married, if you did marry her, well that’s slavery because all men oppress women in marriage.

Not in a relationship? Clearly you are a loser, who doesn’t deserve a relationship. You aren’t good enough for today’s modern woman, so you better step up and make more money and then offer to give it to her. Don’t expect anything in return, that would be rape.

MGTOW? Well, if we can’t shame you that you’re a loser, and it doesn’t really make logical sense to claim you are oppressing women, we’ll just try both at once and then yell about how we hate you and you suck.

The common denominator is society and man. No matter what you do as a man, society hates you, and they will let you know. Do not be fooled into thinking they would stop if you did something else, whatever they’re telling you to do. As soon as you do it, there’s plenty more shaming to come along, and now that they know you’ll do whatever they shame you into, they’ll just ramp it up some more.