Life is hard for the internet consumer. All they want is to is spend their hard-earn anonymous cryptocurrency on heavily regulated weapons of murder intimidation, self defence from local online dealers the Russian mafia reputable international gun dealers on the darknet and you’ll be shocked to hear people continue to be scammed!

Whilst unfortunately there is a real trade in illegal weapons on the darknet, the highly disreputable sector is notorious for law enforcement stings and scam after scam after scam.

Why are there NO FUCKING LEGIT GUN DEALERS?? I have got scammed 3 times now….. FUCK

My heart bleeds.

the site is defintive a SCAMM!!! When you order they repeat: “The site you ordered from is obviously a clone of our site. We have no control over their content. They took our site, mirrored it and change the bitcoin address and URL address. They didn’t bother to change the email address or PGP key.” And they tell you, that this is their true, real site <snip> As everyone can read, their site is also classified as a SCAMM!

Is there no honest businessman these days?

Pretty much everyone who’s ever ordered weapons has been jailed because the seller is most likely a fed. There was a guy who sold guns, feds ordered it, did their handy work and found prints, and then busted the seller. There are also many reports of people buying guns on DNM only to be arrested. Most recent weapon was a guy trying to buy explosives in Houston, Texas and he ordered from the feds selling on AlphaBay

That’s like, against my 2nd amendment rights man.

“I don’t understand how this is illegal”

Warning, the following may be entirely a troll

Anyhow, just when I thought I’d seen everything, I encounter a 17 year old ‘PackingH3AT’ from the US who has tried to buy a gun off the darknet then complains it never arrived. Let’s go:

Scammed out of firearm purchase (self.legaladvice) submitted 13 hours ago by PackingH3AT I bought a Saiga-12 online, and the seller ended up scamming me saying that he tried to ship but the gun was caught in customs, and that there’s nothing he can do. He’s an American seller, but he imports from overseas, so I guess he was shipping directly from wherever the manufacture was. I’m pissed because I paid a lot of money for this. Is there any legal options for me? The seller said that in purchasing I indirectly agreed to his Terms of Service which was that he wasn’t responsible for refunds if the gun doesn’t arrive. Who would I report this to in order to get a refund since me and the seller are not in the same states.

For people like me unfamiliar with what a Saiga-12 is, it’s a automatic shotgun banned from import to the US since 2014, the normally only seen wielding by crazy Russians:

Now the story starts with ‘bought online’ and the seller’s American. So that’s not illegal — 2nd amendment, sovereignty of the people right? But it gets better…

Did you pay with a credit card? If so file a charge back, if not, how did you pay? PackingH3AT

Bitcoins. The site I purchased on has escrow but his listing was for Finalize Early 50% so even though its disputed right now, I’m still out 50% of what I paid

Wait, bitcoins, escrow, finalise early? This is darknet market jargon… he didn’t… did he?

PackingH3AT

I used the darknet

Oh god. But wait, it’s okay because:

A bitcoin firearm purchase where the firearm is being imported, and you bear the risk of it never arriving? That sounds like a scam waiting to happen. Was it supposed to be shipped to an FFL, or directly to you? PackingH3AT

Another firearm I’ve purchased from him did arrive, so I don’t know why this didn’t. I know it’s suppose to ship FFL in my state but last time he mailed it directly to me and had no problem

So he’s previously successfully bought guns from international arms dealers on the darknet, and now he’s complaining he’s been selectively scammed. Someone call trading standards. But it’s still okay:

PackingH3AT

My state allows online purchases of firearms PackingH3AT

My state allows transferring ownership of guns so like buying a gun from your friend. PackingH3AT

By using BTC, this sale is considered private sale however which my state allows. PackingH3AT

It’s illegal because online makes it interstate?

This is worse than technical support. A kindly Redditor explains:

It’s illegal because it was online.

It’s illegal because it was shipped.

It’s illegal because it was interstate.

It’s illegal because you’re not 18.

How much clearer can we make this?

So he responds…

PackingH3AT

I understand it’s illegal. Then what do I do now to make this not as illegal? You can’t “un-illegal” it.

But, y’know maybe it’s okay because:

PackingH3AT

Should I move to a different state? My parents don’t think it was that big of a deal.

Reddit can take only so much:

moving to a different state wont save you from multiple felonies Then your parents are morons. Your parents aren’t that smart.

OP finally realised the dozens of responses to ‘get a lawyer!’ might be warranted…

Did you put your name / address on the “to” label? PackingH3AT

Yea he shipped directly to my house. If this is such a felony as you are saying, then would it be legal when I turn 18? If not, it’s not like I can return the gun to him.

Perhaps he can return the gun and make it un-illegal?

For anyone who wants to read the thread in whole here is:

I reported the boy who bought 2x guns from darknet arms dealers to the Reddit admins immediately after seeing the thread which was locked shortly after.

So ends the story — what do you think? Troll or real?

As a Brit with and one with a limited understanding of US gun culture, I can only think: