







NASA, Bob Lazar’s UFO, Thorium, Lime Light, Ball Lightning and the history of lost technology



“This early type of magnetic buoyancy system works in the vacuum of outer space by displacing the magnetic field lines producing magnetic buoyancy or an anti-gravity effect.”



… by Jeff Smith , VT Science Editor

[ Editor’s note: VT is currently structured on a triple generational model. The seniors are of the late WWII, early Cold War era, like Lee Wanta and Clinton Bastin who went from Georgia Tech into Marine Officer Candidate school, and his brilliance in engineering had him working soon after at the Atomic Energy Commission, (AEC), an acronym no one ever sees any more.

Next we have the Vietnam era batch, the core of VT numerically, the baby boomers… and then another crew that is mid-fortyish. As I build out the staff from VT readers who are volunteering from all over the world, we are getting a diversified age group, including some younger people who will be the fourth generation. We expect this to contribute to our being around a long time.

And on that note, Brer Jeff will take us on a trip down memory road, which reminded me of some of the amazing briefings that Clinton Bastin had given me on the Alice in Wonderland inner workings (or non-workings) of the Dept. of Energy.



He was a bitter critic, primarily of the political corruption that killed advancements that did not keep shoveling endless sums of money out to business constituencies that were viewed as campaign donation cash cows, and even better, those wonderful board memberships post-retirement.

One of the things Clinton was most bitter about was their killing the engineering move in reprocessing that would have eliminated any significant nuclear waste problem at all.

We simply would have kept recycling and reusing it forever. Powerful entities did not like that at all, as nuclear waste was also seen as a cash cow that would go on forever.

That is why were are doing what we are doing here… to try to keep such hijacking by the political hucksters and their gangster buddies from happening like that again. The public has paid incredible amounts to develop technologies that were used and abused — the mini-nukes used to take down the World Trade Center buildings the most memorable.

But then there were those technologies that were locked away, as they were seen as threats, once again, to major political constituencies that had wealth and power structures, which they did not want to see antiquated over a few years no matter what the benefit to mankind… “Uber Traitors” to us all. And they still walk among us… Jim W. Dean ]

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– First published September 17, 2014 –





In the August 2014 issue of Nexus Magazine there is an article entitled “NASA unable to recreate Apollo Technologies.”

To quote the late Clinton Bastion, VT editor and nuclear weapons designer for the US Department of Energy:



“All chemical companies who managed and all government chemical engineers who directed programs for the production of nuclear materials and components have left the US government.

It has lost the ability to produce most nuclear materials and components for weapons and assess the ability of other nations to do so.” ( This also includes NASA, JPL, Sandia, Los Alamos etc.)



This is how modern technology is lost. The Apollo space program and the nuclear weapons field are the prime examples. We can no longer pour piss out of a bottle without getting wet. Boy are we in trouble, who is going to defend us against Marvin the Martian when he shows up? Cartmann on South Park?

I’d like to see that one, South Park VS Marvin the Martian. Poor Kenny I wonder what evil things that the Queen of Mars is going to do to him? Inquisitive minds would really like to know.



In getting back to reality vs back to the future…been there, done that one, and got the T-shirt. NASA has a really big problem. Apparently Star Trek the Next Generation ie., NASA, has forgotten how to build Space Ships that really work.

Gee wiz, I wonder why? In designing the next generation replacement for the Space Shuttle that was basically created by Walter Dornberger, first at Bell with the X-15 and then at North American and Rockwell, the prime contractor, they lost grandma’s secret recipe for yummy apple pie.

After spending billions of dollars on the Orion Space ship it is a turkey. It can’t go to the moon do its job and get back safely. Problems with Cavitation in the fuel tanks, heat shields that don’t work, metalurgy in the F-11 engines and gravity well problems on the moon preventing the LIM from taking off because it’s “too heavy”.

Why? How could this be? Did all of those very fine WW2 era German scientists that gave the world all of this technology just simply say screw it after the US revoked their citizenship at the end of Apollo program for being bad Germans during WW2? To quote the late Sergeant Schultz in the move Stalag 13. “I Know Nothing”. (Hogan’s Heroes. also.)

When a good German soldier is in trouble during WW2 it was best to not know anything. Dead men tell no tales or in this case pass on to their apprentices all of there dirty little secrets. To quote Dr. VonBraun, “This is why I am sticking to a propulsion system that I understand because it works.” So this is why Orion is a flop.

To quote Gorbachev. “We spoon feed the world communism just so they could spit it back up in our faces”. Maybe the world just didn’t like it or maybe the German rocket scientists just simply shut up because they got screwed by the US government in the end. It’s called Blow back that’s when a shot gun back fires in you face.

The answer to the problem is simple. The current generation of so called rocket scientist don’t know how to go to the library and read old books. They think that anything that predates them is old hat and of no value.

They would rather watch Ancient Aliens on TV and trust Wikipedia than to figure it out for themselves. How wrong could they be? Learn how to use a slide ruler, it works.

Every piece of modern technology from the atom bomb to the Space shuttle was designed using a slide ruler and before that the Abacus. “Analog Rules Baby”.

If the wise guys at NASA would bother to just read the works of Walter Dongberger, Von Braun and Larry Bell then they would know how to make a better space ship that works. The most important papers are entitled:

“The inter office memos and field reports of Walter Dornberger and Larry Bell. Bell Aircraft corp. NY. From 1948 to 1965. The NACA Weight Loss Reduction Program”. Classified Secret, Q clearance required, library copy only, do not distribute, for inter office use only. The Atomic Energy Agency / DOE.

How do you spell “Secret Anti-Gravity Program”. Its called “The Special Committee on Space Technology”. I guess that Bob Lazar and Art Bell missed that one. Maybe Dr. Jones and S. Greer at A&E911 can explain it for us. Sure Fairy Dust Did It.

NACA chairmen







Members of The “Special Committee on Space Technology”.

As of their meeting on, 26 May 1958.



To quote Sergeant Friday “Just The Facts Mamm”. Lets see. According to Dornberger, Von Braun and Larry Bell this is how they solved the problems with Apollo. IE the dirty little secrets that they kept from us, Sorry I mean NASA.

Its called Thorium technology and Magnetic Buoyancy Technology. The stuff that UFO’s are made of. When Thorium is used as a coating on rocket motors or heat shields it does three things:

1. On Rocket motors it increases thrust massively. This was done on the second stage rocket motors on Apollo, giving a massive increase in lift. Due to toxicity it could not be use on the first stage F-11 motors. Dornberger knew this from his WW2 V-2 Days. The Germans used thorium on everything because they knew how it worked. This was one of the V-2 secrets.

When Dornberger and VonBraun demonstrated it to the Army Air Corps in 1948 on a recovered German V-2 rocket at White Sands; after it went off range and could not be found for weeks. VonBraun was reported to have said to the brass, “I told you so and you did not believe me.” The Special committee on Space Technology response was “We Believe you now.” Was this Roswell?

2. They coated the Apollo heat shield with it. The increased ionization level gave added “Magnetic Buoyancy” to the space craft reducing the re-entry velocity by as much as half from over 2,000 MPH to less than 1,000 MPH. A ll Nuclear weapon reentry vehicles have this thorium technology imbedded into their re-entry systems. Unfortunatly the last re-entry space shield was made at the Bendix Kansas City plant back in 1995.

Since then they seemed to have lost the secret formula for making new ones. Oh No! They lost grandmas secret recipe for making yummy apple pie! Or was that the British code name for Tube Alloy metal during WW2? I digress. Dornberger first tested this system on the X-15 while at Bell. That was the real reason for the X-15 program. Today it is used on the hypersonic spy drones and other low earth orbiting air craft.

3. During deceleration of the main Saturn 5 rocket body the liquid fuel in the fuel tanks would under go severe hydrodynamic cavitation. This was the equivalent of shaking up a really big bottle of Root Beer! If you shake it too much it goes bang. How did they solve the problem?

A. They used one of Dornberger’s tricks from his V-2 days. They just pressurized the fuel tanks with Helium instead of using the usual nitrogen charging system. Helium being diamagnetic simply neutralized the gravitational effects of acceleration and vibration in the fuel tanks by means of magnetic field line displacement. Just like in a helium balloon, ie., they used magnetic buoyancy to solve the problem.

B. Placed at the very top of the Saturn 5 rocket was the command module escape system. This pointy thing at the top also served as an electrostatic and aerodynamic air spike. Its purpose was to create a vacuum bubble around the space craft in order to induce a slip stream effect and reduce cavitation.

This was done both aerodynamically and by the use of one of “Dornberger’s Gadgets” called an electrostatic air frame charging system. (think B-2) It would only work above 30,000 feet, below that the ion density of the air was too great in order to get a large enough air frame charge to be effective.

C. The Lunar Landing module and Gravity wells.

In order to reduce weight on the lunar LIM it was fitted with only a 500lb kick motor that lasted for a maximum of 30 seconds. Due to weight constraints this was the biggest motor that they could put on the LIM but the problem was that on the earth it weighed in at over 3,000 lbs. So how do you get a 3,000 lb space craft off of the lunar surface with only a 500 lb kick motor that lasts only for 30 seconds?

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The answer was in the so called micro meteorite shields. This was another VonBraun, Dornberger invention left over from the V-2 Program at White Sands. They knew that if you charged the outer skin of a space craft up to a very high electrical potential in a total vacuum that it lost weight. They could use this system on the moon but not on the earth.

So by hiding it in plain sight by designing its power supply as the main attitude gyro and placing it directly on top of the rocket kick motor and attaching the wires to the micrometeorite panels it formed a really big capacitor. Just like in those toy electro static lifters that you see on YouTube. The only difference is that it was a lot bigger.

It was called “Dornbergers Gadget” This early type of magnetic buoyancy system works in the vacuum of outer space by displacing the magnetic field lines producing magnetic buoyancy or an anti-gravity effect. Back then it was called a weight loss system because it only could cancel 5/6 ths of the LIM’s weight. That left about 500lb of weight to deal with. Just enough for the lim’s rocket motor to handle.

Before lift off, the term used was “go warm the LIM up”. It took almost three minutes to charge up the LIM and when the amp meter registered zero on the instrument panel they were good to go. If it failed they were “Lost in Space” or “Danger Will Robinson” as Robby the Robot would say.





D. Gravity wells.

The last problem is called “Lunar Gravity wells” or lunar magnetic anomalies. The LIM had to be fitted with a very sensitive Magnetometer that set off an alarm during landing due to lunar magnetic anomalies called gravity wells. Gravity wells are due to the impact craters being highly magnetic from meteorite impacts. If the LIM got to close it would be sucked into one of these gravity wells and crash. This was a very big concern and during one Apollo landing it almost happened.



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Bob Lazar’s area 51 UFO story. Is it true?

Bob worked at Sandia National labs from 1982 to 1987 as a lab tech. After that with help from Dr. Teller he got a low level technical job at Area 51. While at Sandia Bob also worked with Dr. Steven Jones on cold fusion and the head of A&E911 founder Mr. Greer? who was then head of P.R. at Sandia. Greer and Bob then went on to also work together at Area-51 and they both knew Art Bell, ie., the “UFO connection”.

Hint Hint… While at Area-51 Bob suffered from “heat stroke” and claimed to have seen some back engineered UFO’s., the so called American UFO fleet stationed at Area 51. Even though we do not question Bob’s version of events (reality) it dose have some very important facts that parallel actual anti-gravity theory based on the magnet buoyancy theory of gravity.

Bob claimed that the space craft were made of a type of injection molded plastic with almost no metal parts except for the propulsion system and a unusual metal coating on the outside of the space craft. Well he was really close on that one and he gets a “B” on his final “polygraph exam”. The coating was a form of Thorium just like they used on the Apollo heat shield for reentry, in the engines and on nuclear weapon re entry nose cones.

By using a central Neutron generator made from element-115 (if you can make it.)and by the way it is perfect for this purpose, the function of the central neutron generator is to create a three point bang bang steering and thruster system in order to move the space craft around.

The function of the external thorium coating on the space craft is to act as a heat shield on re-entry and when excited by an external neutron generator it throws off massive amounts of radiation that pushes back the magnetic field lines of the UFO creating artificial magnetic buoyancy around the space craft. This is called an “Einstein gravity well’ or an artificial worm hole and his theories confirm it.

So if Einstein says it’s so who can question it. When the space craft is at zero buoyancy a neutron thruster can easily accelerate the space craft up to mac 3 and faster almost instantaneously with no G forces to deal with. However due to neutron radiation the old testament and the Torah tell us that Moses got sick and died from radiation poising after talking to Captain Kirk, sorry I mean God.

This is why the ground under UFO landing sights is always sterile. Its called Neutron radiation. The is how those tiny little probes use this to make all of those funny looking crop circles in the UK. Just ask Dr Who? and the British Wormwood society.

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Ball lightning and Egyptian Lime Lite .



Lime light is a form of thermal lighting using hot quick lime as the light source. The use of this dates back to Egyptian times and they actually used it in making the Pharaoh’stombs. The Romans used it in ore mining in Europe dating back to the BC period. The ancient light houses also used it. It was called light house gasses.

The Romans and the Greeks even used it as a naval weapon and called it Greek or Roman fire. The Germans used it in WW2 in their Fu fighter program and the Brits used it to defeat the French navy. During the civil war the US navy used it in their cannons. Thus coined the term “Great Balls Of fire”…by Jerry Lee Lewis.

When quick lime is heated to a very high temperature by hot coals, tar, pitch or by being fired out of a cannon it luminescence’s, ie., it lights up like a really big light bulb. This is how the Egyptians made the tombs without leaving any soot behind. They used simple coal fired quick lime from a cement lime kiln.

The Egyptians were very big in cement technology half of the monuments in Egypt, Greece and Rome are made from cement and not stone. If you are going to build the Hoover dam and you have cement technology which one would you use? Simple cement or stone carving with copper tools. You decide. Soon to be a future episode on next seasons Ancient Aliens program. After all the History Channel would never lie. Would they?

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Ball Lightning

During a thunderstorm, ball lightning is created when a very high intensity lightning bolt strikes a lime stone outcropping. The resulting lightning flash known as a plasma strike will immediately blast away small chunks of lime stone. The lime stone will be vaporized into quick lime dust and highly ionized. Due to the intense temperature of the limestone fire ball it will light up and levitate due to magnetic buoyancy.

This is the key as to how it works. Magnetic buoyancy is created in severe thunder storms and tornado’s. It has been mainly an unknown phenomena for decades. New research at the Severe Storm Research Center in Norman, Oklahoma is starting to prove this theory to be true.

This is why tornado’s like trailer parks and can toss tractor trailer rigs around like a kids toy. Buoyancy is not only a hydrodynamic process but it is also the key to all Gravitational phenomena. Including how the atom works.

….to be continued.

Editing: Jim W. Dean

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