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Re: Vertcoin - 1 | ASIC - 0 | Lyra2RE | Decentralised | GPU Mineable | Open Source June 27, 2015, 10:24:29 PM #1074 Quote from: jch9678 on June 26, 2015, 11:22:25 PM



Quote from: ipominer on June 25, 2015, 09:20:38 PM Quote from: jch9678 on June 25, 2015, 09:02:08 PM To answer your question, it's true. There is a botnet mining vtc on Ipominer and owns 70% of the network hashrate. Once this was discovered Ipominer said they would close the port. The botnet owner contacted Ipominer and complained of a privacy issue. Subsequently Ipominer stated they will not close the port and they now hide all user stats to prevent others from investigating. Obviously this is a pretty substantial revenue stream for them.



So if you're a botnet owner, ipominer is the best place for you to mine.



That's completely untrue. We actively ban botnets regularly -- they are against our terms of use. What's being discussed here is not a botnet by any common legal or technical definition -- it's mining via bundled software. Disclosed bundling of software is a valid, industry standard practice which generates revenue for software developers, distributors, and publishers. We're certainly not going to ban a user over a legitimate activity.



Privacy concerns were raised by more than half a dozen ipoMiner users about showing hashrate by username, because of people posting screenshots on bitcointalk and reddit with users information, so we took action to change that.

That's completely untrue. We actively ban botnets regularly -- they are against our terms of use. What's being discussed here is not a botnet by any common legal or technical definition -- it's mining via bundled software. Disclosed bundling of software is a valid, industry standard practice which generates revenue for software developers, distributors, and publishers. We're certainly not going to ban a user over a legitimate activity.Privacy concerns were raised by more than half a dozen ipoMiner users about showing hashrate by username, because of people posting screenshots on bitcointalk and reddit with users information, so we took action to change that.

...not a botnet by any common legal or technical definition...?? This most definitely is a botnet by technical definition. There's no such thing as a legal definition for a botnet. It's either a botnet or it isn't. For the time being let's say it's irrelevant how the software got onto users computers. It is a network of computers that are commanded and controlled by Danila with or without the user knowing what is going on. Bottom line, it's a botnet and it goes against your terms of service.



Nobody is debating whether bundling software is valid or not, it obviously is.



What we need to do is drop the discussion whether something is illegal or not. Nobody is going to jail over this, the internet police are not going to knock on ipominer's or IZABELCOIN LTD's door. There is no legal issue, unless maybe you live in Yokneam, Israel ( Quote THE CpuMiner INSTALLER AND OR SOFTWARE MAY....ACTIVATE ALL FANS AND GENERATE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF HEAT, AND UTILIZE AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF ELECTRICITY (OUTLET AND BATTERY) . Or this Quote THIS MAY DAMAGE AND CAUSE IRREPARABLE HARM TO YOUR COMPUTER. YOU MAY ALSO INCUR ADDITIONAL COSTS OR FEES BY YOUR INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER (ISP), INCREASED SUPPORT COSTS, LIMIT OR VOID YOUR WARRANTY. What a joke this is, what did you call it, "compelling documentation"



This is you ipominer, this is who you are associated with, this is who you stick up for.



Ipominer are you a fan of open source software? Well guess what because Danila decided to make IZABELCOIN LTD and use open source software for profit, he is in violation of whatever license cpuminer and sgminer are under. Maybe you don't want to stick up for the vertcoin community, that's obvious, but how about sticking up for the open source community. Do the right thing, ban Danila for so many legitimate reasons, or keep him on for greed.



Speaking of greed, why haven't you raised your fees to 10% yet? You can easily get them from Danila since you've already said no respectable miner would pay 3% to mine with you.

Just wanted to point out what I posted in ipominer's thread...not a botnet by any common legal or technical definition...?? This most definitely is a botnet by technical definition. There's no such thing as a legal definition for a botnet. It's either a botnet or it isn't. For the time being let's say it's irrelevant how the software got onto users computers. It is a network of computers that are commanded and controlled by Danila with or without the user knowing what is going on. Bottom line, it's a botnet and it goes against your terms of service.Nobody is debating whether bundling software is valid or not, it obviously is.What we need to do is drop the discussion whether something is illegal or not. Nobody is going to jail over this, the internet police are not going to knock on ipominer's or IZABELCOIN LTD's door. There is no legal issue, unless maybe you live in Yokneam, Israel ( https://www.israelbizreg.com/izabelcoin-ltd ) but that would only be if maybe someone's computer under Danila's control blows up and starts a fire. How could that be traced back to Danila, because it's in his EULA right here http://danilafri.wix.com/cpuminer Oh look it has danila in the URL mentioning cpu miner as if it's his own (we'll get to that later). Danila don't worry about taking it down it's already archived here https://archive.is/7taoH and locally. Take a look at these gems in the EULA. Or thisWhat a joke this is, what did you call it, "compelling documentation"This is you ipominer, this is who you are associated with, this is who you stick up for.Ipominer are you a fan of open source software? Well guess what because Danila decided to make IZABELCOIN LTD and use open source software for profit, he is in violation of whatever license cpuminer and sgminer are under. Maybe you don't want to stick up for the vertcoin community, that's obvious, but how about sticking up for the open source community. Do the right thing, ban Danila for so many legitimate reasons, or keep him on for greed.Speaking of greed, why haven't you raised your fees to 10% yet? You can easily get them from Danila since you've already said no respectable miner would pay 3% to mine with you.

Good post.



Any response from ipominer? Good post.Any response from ipominer?