This post was updated on . In reply to this post by Bs13 Say what you want about his business ethics, I have had my own problems in the past with him on that.



But the post about him not understanding programming, the directly stealing of daunte's diet, that daunte cruises on 1g test(this is so far off base it's not even funny), and the programming being shitty are so far off base it's not even funny.





A) the gslp is a periodized linear progression. You have to learn to shoot for rep records. Same as 531 just with faster weight progression because gslp utilizes resets instead of deloads. Also gslp switches the lifts out after 2 or so stalls for varients. If you were stalling like you claimed you should have switched the lifts out or figured out your weakness and found a lift to strengthen that weakness. John has talked about this plenty of times. Something he took from DC training and from westside.



The last set amrap makes the gslp much better than other LPs. Brush up on programming or read a few reviews from those that understand programming and you will understand why. Also you can always slow the progression and focus more on the rep records. Also you can move to more of a reverse pyramid scheme like he has talked about and uses in the books on occasion. Either independent it dependent progressions work here.



Also the whole ss cult can suck a dick imo. The whole do the program is stupid, people are not robots. Artificially cutting reps is stupid.



531 is more of an advanced program Imo and even rip thinks this. I love 531, have every wendler book and an a member of his paid forum so not bashing it.





2) powerbuilding uses plenty of other methods besides just rest pause like DC training. Some things are very similar especially the split but even that is not set in stone and for example in mastadon it's not even close to DC training. He also uses different rep ranges and it's almost all barbell work where DC training is more plate loaded machine work than anything else. Also jp has given credit to daunte a million times



3) the only things he stole from the DC diet is the evoo and carb cutoff and clearly said so many times. Jp doesn't have his guys on 2-3xbw in protein either, more like 1.5. and if you got fatter off this kind of diet than you aren't very familiar with the DC diet to began with. Because if you where gaining fat you would have upped the fasted walks, moved the carb cutoff back and or cut out carbs on rest days entirely. And you only add evoo if you aren't gaining and can't stomach the thought of another bite of real food. Hinting that gomad is a good strategy shows a complete lack of knowledge, mind blowing lack of knowledge. Btw jp has touched on all this before



4) not enough volume? Then you aren't doing the body weight stuff correctly and progressing through them as I described in my write up. Also if you think volume is what makes you grow you are sadly mistaken. All you are doing is causing cns fatigue after a point. Goal should be to cause just enough damage to cause the muscle to repair itself to protect itself but not drain the cns so you don't have to wait long to do again so you have more growth cycles. Frequency is king so long as a sufficient stimulus is provided and in a caloric surplus and positive nitrogen state gains in strength = gains in muscle.



Also you can add volume with additional plug ins. How many times does Jp have to say that it's all just templates. If you like more volume add the volume portion from BBB or boring but strong. Add widow makers. The fucking key is progression in weight or reps.



5)daunte cruises on true trt doses. His whole point about the original cycle for pennies thread was people needed to stop depending on the needle. He blast on very very moderate doses of like 3-400 my test and about same if npp which is very low for somebody his size.



6) DC training is not just for enhanced lifters and many people have made amazing gains while natural including myself. That's like saying westside only works for naturals.



Ok with that being said, yes JP is shady sometimes. He is a douche with the financial stuff but every single thing I have read by him had been good info in this area. Yes he had lost his mind with the psychology bullshit he preaches. Yes I think he is not a good businessman and missed a golden opportunity to become a big player in the fitness world.



I never trained at the gym with him but have done 3team pain classes and 1 private consult and program. Yes his tp classes usually are 16 weeks long cause he fucking doesn't send out programming for be the week but they are programmed well. And they are worth it if you have run his books and are looking for something different. All his books have great programming. As day as pricing, he is about the same as others at his level. I know I have hired 2 others and they were 100 a month just like team pain ends up. But anybody bitching about the prices needs to shut up period. It's supply and demand, plain and simple. Yes it's easy for me to say that as somebody that can afford it, but if he wasn't selling it at that price, he would have lowered them already. His go should be to make profits. Most of the other online trainers charge 250-300 the first month and 100 for every one after that. In the team pain classes he charges 299 for 12 weeks and 199 after to keep extending per 12 so cheaper than many others. Also program is 100% not cookie cutter.



Bottom line is jp is somebody I would love to have drinks with. But I also think he is full of shit alot also and he thinks way way too highly of himself and is prolly a lil insecure. But his programming is more than solid and better than 99% better than what is out there.



531 is a great program and I encourage people to move on to it if that is what you would like to do. But most people that fail on gslp is because they are inconsistent in training, recovery and food. They fail to log all three or one of the three. Or they don't understand the program and half ass it.



If you can't make gains using the guide I laid out then you should pick up something else or you could post all the info here and I can give advice. But most of it is going to be simple and going to be something you missed before.



As far as gains on the greyskull methods long term, I have made great progress and on the first 8 weeks of this team pain class I made the following strength gains (full disclosure I am on doctor prescribed trt. True trt doses and made the gains while lowering my dose by 40mg weekly. No I don't consider myself a natural but trt is all I have ever taken and never outside normal ranges):





I started team pain at 219 lbs and now am at 211. I had the following lifts:

185 Bench Max reps-12 reps



225 Squat max Reps- 10 reps



Max deadlift- 350 LBS



Max Shoulder Press- 170 Lbs, had a huge back lean in it







Current lifts are as follows:



Bench max-260x1 this is a 20# lifetime pr



Squats-350x1 this is a 45# pr over where I was just 12 weeks ago. Huge fucking PR as this was 100% legit ass touching my calves.



Weighted chin- be+80# x 1. This is a 45# PR



Press-175x1- this is also a pr. Might not seem like much but this was strict as could be with no back lean unlike the max I submitted before team pain started. Also my press had been stagnant for a while now.



Powerclean-205x1- this ties a PR and I haven't done this lift other than in am lci circuit in almost 2 years.



Deadlift-405x1 huge 55lbs increase and a lifetime pr.



Weighted dips-115x1- haven't done any weighted dips in months as you have been having me do close grip pushups instead.



That is copy and pasted from my progress report to him a few weeks ago. I did all this while not being able to do an lower body lifts for three weeks other than kb swings due to a knee injury I suffered outside of training. The injury was a strained tendon and needed rehab and rest. So yes I have made plenty of progress on the greyskull methods.





