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Posted: 14:26 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 14:26 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Brand new bike full of rust from Victor Devine Glasgow :(



After years of staying on 4 wheels I decided to give 2 wheeled travel a shot. The group I hung around with as teenagers had a couple of bike fatalities and the chilling effect lasted a long time but I recently caught up with a couple of these old mates and we had a good chat about things - including bikes.



I decided to give it a go and went for the CBT, found it very easy and loved being on 2 wheels and more connected than being cocooned in a car. With one of my biker pals (ex bike mechanic) we went and looked at a couple of 125s which I wanted to start on, ride through winter then come better weather go for the DAS and get a bigger 600. We saw 2 that sounded great but were either rusty or badly accident repaired so with time pressing on he recommended looking at a low cost new Honda and recommended going to Victor Devine in Glasgow.



I bought my brand new bike on the 6th of November and 3 days later proudly showed my first bike to my mates, almost instantly the ex mechanic pal pointed out a rough patch on the top of the fuel tank which turned out to be rust coming from the inside of the tank outward. He said not to delay but to get in touch with the dealership and get it sorted, he also said to get the full thing checked out as something as apparent as that should have been spotted on the PDI check and if its been missed or ignored the rest of the bike needs looked at. I had a quick look around the bike myself in more depth later and found the tax disc holder was also rusted right through. Having had the bike 3 days out of the showroom alarm bells started ringing. I emailed the dealership and they said to bring it in to check the problems, I did this and their camera wasnt up to the job of getting proper photos so while there and to avoid a wasted journey I asked if they could give the bike a once over to see if there were any other faults. They said they didnt need to and when it came in for a new tank they would look at it then - a bit odd I thought as any problems found would mean another visit for me to get the next batch of issues resolved.



When I got home I decided not to wait and looked at the bike myself with a torch. It was at this point I found a whole batch of problems with my brand new bike including :



- The fuel tank had corrosion on the top area, having started from the inside of the tank outward.

- Corrosion was dripping down the white side panels of the bike from the side of the tank.

- The tax disc holder was corroded through.

- There was corrosion on the bottom of the yoke plus impact damage from being hit with something repeatedly during installation.

- The paint had cracked and peeled off from the welds on the frame/chassis.



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Finding all these problems on a brand new bike shattered my confidence in the vehicle totally. Im not a mechanic and I dont know anything about bikes, so what other nasties could be lurking under panels or in areas hidden from view? I asked the dealer for an exchange of another bike that had been fully checked or a full refund and they lied to me and said I wasnt entitled to that, all I could do was speak to Honda UK about warranty work as my contract is with them and Victor Devines is only an agent.



The dealer did tell me of another customer who had the same issues (with the frame corrosion) and that they got a new frame from Honda, had it powder coated locally and the customer went away happy. I didnt like the sound of this but relented during the call as I just wanted to get out there and enjoy riding.



A few days later the dealer calls back and says they are no longer offering a new frame and that all Honda and themselves would do was - to quote "touch up the paint on the welds". With a sizable list of defects on the bike and having bought it brand new from a dealer and from a company as big as Honda I thought this was a really crap way to treat a customer who had just bought a fairly expensive product (though of course not expensive in terms of bikes). Added to that I'd already had a chat about my big bike after winter with the guys at the dealership and said I was thinking about the CBF600F - naturally coming back to them in a few months time.



I spoke with the Citizens Advice Bureau and they told me I had been lied to when I requested to reject the bike, I also spoke with my lawyer who confirmed exactly the same thing that under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) goods supplied must :



- Be fit for purpose.

- Be of satisfactory appearance and finish.

- Be free of minor defects.



Victor Devine & Co Ltd refused to accept the rejection and told me to speak to Honda UK who admitted that yes my contract is with the dealer and they are the ones that by law have to give a refund.



Back to the dealer and they say they will replace the fuel tank, replace the bottom yoke and touch up the paint on the welds and tell me I am being unreasonable asking for a replacement bike or a refund as the bike is 99% perfect and has only "minor bits and bobs wrong with it".



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Hi everyone,



New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.



Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.



Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.



Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.



I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).



I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.



When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :



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Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?



Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.



Thanks ( My original post is below this, I've edited this post to bring a TL;DR version to the top for new people to save going through all 16 pages )After years of staying on 4 wheels I decided to give 2 wheeled travel a shot. The group I hung around with as teenagers had a couple of bike fatalities and the chilling effect lasted a long time but I recently caught up with a couple of these old mates and we had a good chat about things - including bikes.I decided to give it a go and went for the CBT, found it very easy and loved being on 2 wheels and more connected than being cocooned in a car. With one of my biker pals (ex bike mechanic) we went and looked at a couple of 125s which I wanted to start on, ride through winter then come better weather go for the DAS and get a bigger 600. We saw 2 that sounded great but were either rusty or badly accident repaired so with time pressing on he recommended looking at a low cost new Honda and recommended going to Victor Devine in Glasgow.I bought my brand new bike on the 6th of November and 3 days later proudly showed my first bike to my mates, almost instantly the ex mechanic pal pointed out a rough patch on the top of the fuel tank which turned out to be rust coming from the inside of the tank outward. He said not to delay but to get in touch with the dealership and get it sorted, he also said to get the full thing checked out as something as apparent as that should have been spotted on the PDI check and if its been missed or ignored the rest of the bike needs looked at. I had a quick look around the bike myself in more depth later and found the tax disc holder was also rusted right through. Having had the bike 3 days out of the showroom alarm bells started ringing. I emailed the dealership and they said to bring it in to check the problems, I did this and their camera wasnt up to the job of getting proper photos so while there and to avoid a wasted journey I asked if they could give the bike a once over to see if there were any other faults. They said they didnt need to and when it came in for a new tank they would look at it then - a bit odd I thought as any problems found would mean another visit for me to get the next batch of issues resolved.When I got home I decided not to wait and looked at the bike myself with a torch. It was at this point I found a whole batch of problems with my brand new bike including :- The fuel tank had corrosion on the top area, having started from the inside of the tank outward.- Corrosion was dripping down the white side panels of the bike from the side of the tank.- The tax disc holder was corroded through.- There was corrosion on the bottom of the yoke plus impact damage from being hit with something repeatedly during installation.- The paint had cracked and peeled off from the welds on the frame/chassis.Finding all these problems on a brand new bike shattered my confidence in the vehicle totally. Im not a mechanic and I dont know anything about bikes, so what other nasties could be lurking under panels or in areas hidden from view? I asked the dealer for an exchange of another bike that had been fully checked or a full refund and they lied to me and said I wasnt entitled to that, all I could do was speak to Honda UK about warranty work as my contract is with them and Victor Devines is only an agent.The dealer did tell me of another customer who had the same issues (with the frame corrosion) and that they got a new frame from Honda, had it powder coated locally and the customer went away happy. I didnt like the sound of this but relented during the call as I just wanted to get out there and enjoy riding.A few days later the dealer calls back and says they are no longer offering a new frame and that all Honda and themselves would do was - to quote "touch up the paint on the welds". With a sizable list of defects on the bike and having bought it brand new from a dealer and from a company as big as Honda I thought this was a really crap way to treat a customer who had just bought a fairly expensive product (though of course not expensive in terms of bikes). Added to that I'd already had a chat about my big bike after winter with the guys at the dealership and said I was thinking about the CBF600F - naturally coming back to them in a few months time.I spoke with the Citizens Advice Bureau and they told me I had been lied to when I requested to reject the bike, I also spoke with my lawyer who confirmed exactly the same thing that under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (as amended) goods supplied must :- Be fit for purpose.- Be of satisfactory appearance and finish.- Be free of minor defects.Victor Devine & Co Ltd refused to accept the rejection and told me to speak to Honda UK who admitted that yes my contract is with the dealer and they are the ones that by law have to give a refund.Back to the dealer and they say they will replace the fuel tank, replace the bottom yoke and touch up the paint on the welds and tell me I am being unreasonable asking for a replacement bike or a refund as the bike is 99% perfect and has only "minor bits and bobs wrong with it".---Hi everyone,New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.Thanks



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Posted: 14:35 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 14:35 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject:



CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!

Current - Ducati Monster 620ie, plus project H100 (first bike )

Past - ER5, ZZR600E1, '92 CB400 SF, ZZR600E1 (again), yellow Monster 620, Blackbird touring battleship ____________________CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!Current - Ducati Monster 620ie, plus project H100 (first bikePast - ER5, ZZR600E1, '92 CB400 SF, ZZR600E1 (again), yellow Monster 620, Blackbird touring battleship take it back, get your moneys back and get something older... what's the point in losing so much money on something that quite clearly won't last 5 minutes in real the real world?

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Posted: 14:37 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 14:37 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in DJRikki wrote: When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50



Once you have applied ACF 50 to the whole bike (excluding the brakes).

I leave the bike alone and do not wash it down at all. Other than to wipe the lights and numberplate.

All that crud that builds up helps to keep salt at bay.



All you need to do is once we get to some decent weather is spend a hour or so giving it a good wash and it will be back to like new.



3 years later and my bike is as good as when I picked it up. Despite spending a lot of time commuting no matter what the weather.



As for the bike. You clearly do not have a good example and it needs some paint in some places.



Just because my bike was A ____________________Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... Once you have applied ACF 50 to the whole bike (excluding the brakes).I leave the bike alone and do not wash it down at all. Other than to wipe the lights and numberplate.All that crud that builds up helps to keep salt at bay.All you need to do is once we get to some decent weather is spend a hour or so giving it a good wash and it will be back to like new.3 years later and my bike is as good as when I picked it up. Despite spending a lot of time commuting no matter what the weather.As for the bike. You clearly do not have a good example and it needs some paint in some places.

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Posted: 14:40 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 14:40 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject:



Ask him about CBF rust - from memory Honda actually agreed that the OEM finish was below minimum standards & paid for his swingarm to be powdercoated propperly locally.



Reject bike, get a year old YBR for £1500 with less than 1,000 miles on it, add pilot sportys & win at life.



Please be aware that the above post may be full of complete nonsense.

Riding: '07 KTM Duke II , Baotian BT49QT-20 Driving: '88 Volvo 340 ____________________Please be aware that the above post may be full of complete nonsense. Inbox a guy called wotsthestory on here.Ask him about CBF rust - from memory Honda actually agreed that the OEM finish was below minimum standards & paid for his swingarm to be powdercoated propperly locally.Reject bike, get a year old YBR for £1500 with less than 1,000 miles on it, add pilot sportys & win at life.

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Posted: 17:12 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:12 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in DJRikki wrote:



New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.



Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.



Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.



Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.



I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).



I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.



When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :





Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?



Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.



Thanks Hi everyone,New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.Thanks



Just a question - why didn't you get your biker mate to help you with the search for a good second-hand bike? I'm not sure you can hand it back after coating it with ACF50, can you? Considering you bought a new bike as your first bike it might be worthwhile changing your username to 'DJ Cautious' - just an idea

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Posted: 17:20 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:20 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in reddeviljp wrote: DJRikki wrote:



New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.



Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.



Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.



Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.



I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).



I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.



When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :





Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?



Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.



Thanks Hi everyone,New biker here so not up on things and decided I wanted to buy a new bike as my first one to avoid problems with dropped 2nd hand ones etc.Went to Victor Devines in Glasgow as they are the main Honda dealer and got a new CBF125 in white.Great looking little bike and perfect for getting going on while the weather is bad and before I progress to the DAS after just doing the CBT.Bought it on Wednesday the 6th and on the Saturday following (9th) I showed it to my biker mates who had been on my case to get on two wheels. One of them used to be a mechanic at Victors working on bikes and after a quick look spotted rust on the top of the tank. He said to let the dealer know and take it back so I did and they got me back in. He also said to have them fully vet the bike as having rust on something that hadnt been on the road yet could be a bad sign.I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).I asked if they could check the rest of the bike as I work 6 days a week and since they are closed on a Sunday I have to arrange time off to bring it back and forward. They said they would check it over when it comes in for warranty tank replacement - didnt really like the sound of that but said ok.When I got home my ACF50 had arrived so I went about cleaning the bike down (I do this every couple of days with a cold water hose as suggested elsewhere on here) and started applying the ACF50 - this was the first time Id really looked closely in the nooks and cranys - and what I found I've included here :Being a complete noob - is this yellow/rust coloured stuff appearing from the frame welds and bottom of the handle bars normal or do I have serious problems and should reject the bike ?Sorry for the war and peace post, just want to get info from people who know a lot more than me before I speak to the dealer again.Thanks



Just a question - why didn't you get your biker mate to help you with the search for a good second-hand bike? I'm not sure you can hand it back after coating it with ACF50, can you? Considering you bought a new bike as your first bike it might be worthwhile changing your username to 'DJ Cautious' - just an idea Just a question - why didn't you get your biker mate to help you with the search for a good second-hand bike? I'm not sure you can hand it back after coating it with ACF50, can you? Considering you bought a new bike as your first bike it might be worthwhile changing your username to 'DJ Cautious' - just an idea



I did. We went and looked at 2 bikes which both sounded great but when he inspected them found major issues with one, to quote him "having been thrown down a street". He said to offer the seller half the asking price, buy replacement bits and he's put it back together. Since a new one was £2500 and I had the cash sitting I thought it would be easier and quicker to just go new.



If Id gone round any more Id have lost the will, looked at the weather and given it a miss until next year when I might not have the spare cash sitting any more.



Chose the username as "Rikki" was already taken

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Posted: 17:21 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:21 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Honda, made in china. I'd get a full refund for that POS and tell them where to shove anything else they tried to offer.

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Posted: 17:27 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:27 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in DJRikki wrote:



I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).





I hate to think where theres are like if yours are better.



Cameras need light to work try taking them in the day and come a bit further away from the subject.

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Posted: 17:33 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:33 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in chris-red wrote: DJRikki wrote:



I took the bike back in on Saturday (16th) and they took photos to send to Honda. But the quality of the images was quite poor so I suggested I send in my own ones (which Ive included in this post).





I hate to think where theres are like if yours are better.



Cameras need like to work try taking them in the day and come a bit further away from the subject. I hate to think where theres are like if yours are better.Cameras need like to work try taking them in the day and come a bit further away from the subject.



Cameras need "like" to work?



The frame pics I took in the dark with my phone holding an LED torch Cameras need "like" to work?The frame pics I took in the dark with my phone holding an LED torch

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Posted: 17:50 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 17:50 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Re: Bought a brand new bike - is this rust normal? (pics in LIGHT!

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Posted: 18:17 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 18:17 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: These bikes are notorious for their exceptionally poor finish. Young guy round the way has got one he's had about three months and the thing is riddled with rust - and we haven't had much rain during that time either.

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Posted: 18:30 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 18:30 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Hetzer wrote: Honda, made in china. I'd get a full refund for that POS and tell them where to shove anything else they tried to offer.



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Posted: 20:54 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 20:54 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject:



called him up to say i was keen on a bike.



"hold on pal, i'm just on the other line"



5 minutes later...



"i'll need to call ye back pal"



this was about 8 months ago. still no phonecall...



even when i visited the branch the guys were useless.



as said, refuse bike, spend less moneys on cheaper, better bike.



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Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. victor devine aint the best salesman i've come across.called him up to say i was keen on a bike."hold on pal, i'm just on the other line"5 minutes later..."i'll need to call ye back pal"this was about 8 months ago. still no phonecall...even when i visited the branch the guys were useless.as said, refuse bike, spend less moneys on cheaper, better bike.welcome to biking also

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Posted: 21:18 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 21:18 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject:



Go get a second hand bike. It sometimes takes seeing more than 2 bikes to get what you want.

I blagged a 4 year old unused YBR with 136 miles on the clock for a grand last year.

Not a mark / brown or otherwise on it.

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Posted: 22:06 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 22:06 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: I'm not sure what we're meant to be looking at in the pics but new bikes have a lot of yellow crayon type marks on them where bolts have been tightened up or quality control have checked they've been tightened. This sort of washes away and gets smeared around so that might be what your seeing. The bubbly paint though is definately wrong and I would simply want a replacement bike. Call trading standards at your local council if you want to know your rights. Remember your dealer might be friendly but he's not your friend. He will prefer to have a fight with a customer than a fight with Honda.



As for what's normal. My first bike was a brand new WR125X I had it fifteen months and did 7000 miles on it in all weather. The only rust on it when I came to trade in was a few spots on the swing arm where I had chipped the powder coating with my security chain. Easily dealt with by some rust stopper and enamel paint. My current bike is an XJ6 also bought new with 3000 miles on since I got it in June it also has not a spot of rust. I ACF'ed the XJ for the first time last weekend and regularly ACF'ed the WR last winter. I can definately vouch for ACF-50 it stops rust on steel parts, oxidation on alloy parts and dulling of painted parts such as the bars and frame and fittings. Only downside is it will lift decals and you stink like a bad Bar b Q if you get it on the exhaust.

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Posted: 22:24 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 22:24 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject:



This is 5 years old with 10k



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This is 5 years old with 8k



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Honda have decide to to produce poor quality 125cc motorcycles to make as much profit as possible out of new riders as possible. People need to return the bikes as not fit for purpose or they will start reducing the build quality on other bikes from their range.



Several random people have bought the CBF125 and joined BCF in the past year and had the same issue. Get a full refund and buy a second had YBR125 for between £1000 and £1500.This is 5 years old with 10kThis is 5 years old with 8kHonda have decide to to produce poor quality 125cc motorcycles to make as much profit as possible out of new riders as possible. People need to return the bikes as not fit for purpose or they will start reducing the build quality on other bikes from their range.Several random people have bought the CBF125 and joined BCF in the past year and had the same issue.

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Posted: 22:53 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 22:53 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: glad i got rid of mine before winter hit last year!

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Posted: 23:33 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 23:33 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: Gunhawk wrote: lol, i knew before i even clicked the link into this thread that the bike was going to be a CBF 125

Ditto and I'm disappointed to be right.



It looks like they've just not coated those welds properly. Probably the end of a 16 hour shift, the 8 year olds on the assembly line would have been really tired, bless them.



That's not going to heal itself. I can see 3 options.



#1 Try and reject it. I don't see VD being overly helpful on that, and you'll really have to stick to your guns. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised though.



#2 Get a quote from an independent workshop to strip it down and coat or paint it properly. Take that to VD and Honda and say "You do it or you'll be paying full retail for them to do it." Again, you'll need to mean it if they call your bluff.



#3 Bust out the Hammerite and sort it yourself.



I went for option #3 with the paint on my GS sump that was just starting to chip, and slapped a whole new layer on top. It's literally quicker than shlepping down to the dealer and having a spat, although it does rather reward this kind of shoddy rupee pinching finish.



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Posted: 23:41 - 19 Nov 2013 Posted: 23:41 - 19 Nov 2013 Post subject: No that's not good.



Don't let the dealer bump on the problem. Insist on your money back.



Bet the bike was poorly stored prior/during shipping.



I'd accept all my money back and nothing else.



I'm a big Honda fan by the way but this looks wrong.

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Posted: 01:01 - 20 Nov 2013 Posted: 01:01 - 20 Nov 2013 Post subject: FriendlyEllis wrote: No that's not good.



Bet the bike was poorly stored prior/during shipping.







Nope.



They all do this eventually sir.



The paint on the frame work is so thin it either wears away and starts rusting or the slightest chip sets it going. Sometimes they aren't even painted properly to start with.



The rust on the tank is the worst I've seen mind. That's pretty bad for a new bike.



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APT Motorcycles ____________________Suzuki GT250 x7------- Fazer 600------CB250RS------Aprilia Rally 70----- Bandit 600 Nope.They all do this eventually sir.The paint on the frame work is so thin it either wears away and starts rusting or the slightest chip sets it going. Sometimes they aren't even painted properly to start with.The rust on the tank is the worst I've seen mind. That's pretty bad for a new bike.

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Posted: 08:08 - 20 Nov 2013 Posted: 08:08 - 20 Nov 2013 Post subject: evoboy wrote: FriendlyEllis wrote: No that's not good.



Bet the bike was poorly stored prior/during shipping.







Nope.



They all do this eventually sir.



The paint on the frame work is so thin it either wears away and starts rusting or the slightest chip sets it going. Sometimes they aren't even painted properly to start with.



The rust on the tank is the worst I've seen mind. That's pretty bad for a new bike.



Not after 3 days.... Surely?

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Posted: 10:03 - 20 Nov 2013 Posted: 10:03 - 20 Nov 2013 Post subject: FriendlyEllis wrote:



Not after 3 days.... Surely?



It can be. Which is why I said they all do it eventually. This seems to be a particularly bad one.



I didnt think the CBF was a bad bike when it first came out. I'm sure it was sub £2000 at first launch. The price they ask now? I wouldnt buy one. A 2nd hand CG or YBR would be a better bet.



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Got a call yesterday from the dealer to say my new tank (which was the problem I first noticed) was ready and I could bring the bike back.



I said I wasnt happy with the rest of the issues so once the dealer manager came on the phone he said he would order a replacement frame from Honda UK and have it sent away for powder coating as they had a problem with a previous 125 for which they did the same thing.



This tallys with another post on here where Honda basically said the bits werent up to scratch for the weather over here.



I said I had no confidence in the bike with these issues and wanted to reject it on the ground of the rust issues. Bloke then said Id have to take that up with Honda UK as warranty lies with them.



I thought this was a bit fishy as I thought the contact of sale was with the person taking the money which was the dealer as the bike was not bought on finance.



Does anyone have links to the letter of the law on this. I know a lot of folks are saying on here "ask for money back" but Ive never had to do that and a bit of googling shows up stuff to do with cars but also saying you have to allow the dealer to rectify faults before pushing for a refund.



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PS: I went for Honda based on company rep and Id also looked around on the net before hand and the reviews from the bike mag sites were all decent (in the most part). Only now finding out they are made by 5 year old Ahmed in Calcutta Thanks everyone for the replies.Got a call yesterday from the dealer to say my new tank (which was the problem I first noticed) was ready and I could bring the bike back.I said I wasnt happy with the rest of the issues so once the dealer manager came on the phone he said he would order a replacement frame from Honda UK and have it sent away for powder coating as they had a problem with a previous 125 for which they did the same thing.This tallys with another post on here where Honda basically said the bits werent up to scratch for the weather over here.I said I had no confidence in the bike with these issues and wanted to reject it on the ground of the rust issues. Bloke then said Id have to take that up with Honda UK as warranty lies with them.I thought this was a bit fishy as I thought the contact of sale was with the person taking the money which was the dealer as the bike was not bought on finance.Does anyone have links to the letter of the law on this. I know a lot of folks are saying on here "ask for money back" but Ive never had to do that and a bit of googling shows up stuff to do with cars but also saying you have to allow the dealer to rectify faults before pushing for a refund.Yours confusingly, RikkiPS: I went for Honda based on company rep and Id also looked around on the net before hand and the reviews from the bike mag sites were all decent (in the most part). Only now finding out they are made by 5 year old Ahmed in Calcutta

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