Fox News’ Tucker Carlson took on a Democrat Thursday over a new gun control measure targeting muzzle loaders.

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Carlson asked New York City Council member Jumaane Williams, “So how many crimes do you think in the last, I don’t know, 100 years have been committed with muzzle loaders?”

Williams answered, “Well, once this new muzzle is created, we just don’t know. But, what you do a great job in, and it works for you, so I’m not saying you should stop. You do a great job of focusing on these single things…”

Tucker responded, “Oh you mean the facts? Yeah that is kind of my trade.”

Williams said, “No, it’s not facts it’s just–avoidance of a conversation about guns. And you do it very well.”

The Daily Caller co-founder responded, “Well actually, I’d very much like to have a conversation about guns.”

“So here you have Gabby Giffords’ group saying that we need to regulate a rifle, a firearm, they clearly know nothing about,” the Fox host continued. “A muzzle loader is loaded from the muzzle, from the end of the barrel, from the hole where the bullet comes out, and you put it in the powder, and then the wadding, and then the round and the whole thing takes like a minute. So it’s not probably going to be responsible for a lot of mass shootings.”

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