The son of Stormfront founder Don Black revealed on CNN on Saturday that his family watches Fox News’ Tucker Carlson for tips on white supremacist talking points.

Derek Black grew up making white supremacist speeches and embracing the hate that fills Stormfront’s pages.

Then he went to college and his life changed.

He spoke about his family and his change with Van Jones including his thoughts about what is heard on Fox News.

Black’s comments about Carlson were made after Jones aired clips of Carlson and other Fox News personalities promoting, according to Jones, “anti-immigrant and anti-diversity views.”

“It’s very alarming to me to see at the highest levels, even anchors at Fox speaking that way,” Jones said after the clips ended. “Does it alarm you?”

Black said that indeed it did.

“It’s really, really alarming that my family watches Tucker Carlson show once and then watches it on the replay because they feel that he is making the white nationalist talking points better than they have and they’re trying to get some tips on how to advance it,” Black explained before noting it was change of community that prompted him to rethink his white supremacist beliefs.

Watch above, via CNN

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