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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>090517</strong> <a href="/t/1538664/build-log-water-cooled-dead-rose-in-win-s-frame-4790k-2x-gtx-980-strix-formula-vii/10#post_23481147"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br><br>

Electro2 hit it spot on. I chose the motherboard first, just because it looks gorgeous and has the built in water cooling. I too was diassponted that it wasn't at 2011 socket, but I was fine with having the 4790k.<br><br>

Some more parts came in today, I'll probably post another log soon<br><br>

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Thanks for clearing that up. It just seemed like you spared no expense and price definitely wasn't an issue from case to video card to the overkill $300 1200i power supply, every part was literally at the highest end of the cost spectrum with the exception of the 4790k. X99 motherboard have some very nice aftermarket waterblocks if you ever choose to go that route take a peep at Asus Extreme V x99 which shares the red black theme with the ASUS Maximus VII.<br><div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/1538664/build-log-water-cooled-dead-rose-in-win-s-frame-4790k-2x-gtx-980-strix-formula-vii/10#post_23480553" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span>

<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>electro2u</strong> <a href="/t/1538664/build-log-water-cooled-dead-rose-in-win-s-frame-4790k-2x-gtx-980-strix-formula-vii/10#post_23480553"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>

OK. Obviously I meant Asus, was looking at an EVGA board a minute before. Anyway, your comments are ignorant in my opinion.<br><br>

#1 the designer specifically says the motherboard was chosen for aesthetic purposes and that the build is not about performance but visual impact.<br><br>

Besides, limiting build cost is a reality as is using available lower cost equipment instead of higher cost new equipment that is not going to bring any performance to anything outside of applications that use more than 8 threads. You also must realize that the TIM in any package is only going to affect core temps and not actual heat output. Core temps are pretty irrelevant in terms of actual TDP when you are talking about 2 different TIM configurations. Delidding a 4790k doesn't make it more efficient, it makes the core temps lower simply because the heat dissipates faster. It's not free energy.<br><br>

16x+16x is no better than 16x+8x in real world usage.<br><br>

Quad channel memory usage is hardly any excuse to spend extra cash either. I have a 4790k system and a 4 core 2011 system that can both run at the same core speed of 4.7Ghz and the 4790k is noticeably faster doing so, in games, 3d benchmarks, and in encoding. The only advantage Haswell-E really has over Haswell is more cores for encoding/apps that scale and enough pcie lanes to set up tri or quad gpu systems without using PLX.<br><br>

I think it's inappropriate to come into someones build log and start telling them what equipment they *should* have used. You should say thanks for the awesome pics, nice work, and move along.</div>

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Nothing about the comments were ignorant.<br><br>

The OP went with a no holds bar build...I was making a suggestion or inquiry as to why he skimped on the CPU as obviously every part chosen was at the top end/overkill from the corsair $300 1200w AX1200i to the $300 32 gb of memory to the fully custom water cooling to the $800 x 2 GPUs...and of course one of the sexiest and most expensive case available, the $800 In WIN S-Frame.<br>

This is not a budget build and cost shouldn't be a discussion.<br><br>

This is a discussion forum and I was merely offering my opinion/add to the discussion on what was lacking with the build.<br>

- Full Custom water cooling: obviously temp and aesthetic are important. I've had multiple 4790k (as well as most CPUs since Sandy Bridge release) under water and none of those TIM base CPU can stand a 4.8ghz prime95 28.5 run without throttling due to the TIM. If he's not after the "BEST" thermal solution, then by all means get a TIM based CPU...but once the thermal limit of the TIM is reach and maximum heat transfer between the die and heatspreader, there'll be throttling regardless if it's a full custom loop.<br><br>

There's a difference between pcie 16x and 8x, whether that's noticeable with 2x GTX 980s is another story. Why gimped $1600 worth of GPUs when the system doesn't have to be?<br><br>

Courtesy of techpowerup<br>

- test system: 3770k<br>

- All video card results were obtained on this exact system with the exact same configuration.<br><br>

<a href="http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/hardreset_5760_1080.gif" target="_blank">http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/hardreset_5760_1080.gif</a><br>

<a href="http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/dirt3_5760_1080.gif" target="_blank">http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/dirt3_5760_1080.gif</a><br>

<a href="http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/dirt3_2560_1600.gif" target="_blank">http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/dirt3_2560_1600.gif</a><br><br>

- Quad Channel Memory by itself may not be a reason to go x99 in this particular build but it is a reason in conjunction with 6 core/ 8 core, 40pcie lanes, and Solder Tim. Faster memory can lead to significant gains in some games and applications.<br>

<a href="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/haswell-ddr3_7.html#sect0" target="_blank">http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/haswell-ddr3_7.html#sect0</a><br>

<a href="http://www.overclock.net/t/1438222/battlefield-4-ram-memory-benchmark">http://www.overclock.net/t/1438222/battlefield-4-ram-memory-benchmark</a><br>

<a href="http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2349158" target="_blank">http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2349158</a><br><br>

I play Battlefield 4 on a 4.7ghz 3930k, 16gb 2400 quad channel memory, dual 290s, triple 19x12 resolution, 512gb Vertex 4, and CPU usage max at 80%. With the OP 32gb of memory, it'll be more difficult to multitask/having CPU intensive program running in background while playing more CPU intensive games such as BF4, Crysis 3, Dragon Age, etc...with a 4790k instead of a 5930k/5960x.<br><br>

I had/have nearly all the CPU since Sandy Bridge release 2500k, 2600k, 2700k, 3570k, 3770k, 4670k, 4690k, 4770k, 4790k, 3820, 4820k, 3930k, 4930k, 5820k, 5930k, etc...and there's is nothing noticeably faster going from Sandy 3830, 2600k to IVY 3770k, 4820k to Haswell 4770k, 4790k CLOCK for CLOCK. I've tested and bin CPUs as it is a hobby and on average moving from Sandy to Ivy gained about 7%. Ivy to Haswell 7%. Outside of a handful of programs that can utilize new Haswell AVX2 instructions, the differences among these CPUs are incremental. Perhaps encoding can utilize AVX2 instructions but gaming improvement is irrelevant between overclocked 4.7ghz Sandy, IVY, Haswell.<br><br>

There's nothing inappropriate about making constructive criticisms to assist a member in a build or having a discussion about a build or having an opinion on an area he can improve to overall balance his system on a discussion forum.<br><br>

EDIT: I came into this thread to see who was crazy enough and the components for this insane costly In WIN S-frame case. To be completely honest, I was disappointed that the CPU wasn't an 8 core 5960x or at the very least 6 core 5930k coupled with an Asus Rampage V x99 with EK motherboard water block...everything else gets the "Overkill" approval.