Politics - Left v. right violence

Left-wing v. right-wing violence

A page about "left-wing" terror and violence versus "right-wing" terror and violence in the West.

I hope we can agree on the following:

Right-wing terror exists.

Left-wing terror exists.

Islamic terror exists.

Organised groups carry out attacks with logistical support and widespread applause.

Loners carry out attacks with no support and no applause and no allies.

Mentally ill people carry out attacks that look like terror.

It is wrong to blame right-wing peaceful democrats for right-wing terror.

It is wrong to blame left-wing peaceful democrats for left-wing terror.

It is wrong to blame peaceful anti-extremist Muslims for Islamic terror.

And I hope we can agree:

Introduction

Left-wing terrorism used to be as big in the West as Islamic terrorism is now. This was back when the Soviet Union existed, when people believed that the socialist revolution really could happen. Organised groups carried out left-wing terror attacks across the West.

used to be as big in the West as Islamic terrorism is now. This was back when the Soviet Union existed, when people believed that the socialist revolution really could happen. Organised groups carried out left-wing terror attacks across the West. Left-wing terrorism has, thankfully, faded considerably since the 1970s. No one wants to die for a revolution that will never happen.

Instead, though, a brutal Islamic terrorism has arisen in the West. It is now the biggest terrorist killer in the West.

has arisen in the West. It is now the biggest terrorist killer in the West. With the rise of Islamic terrorism, there has been a psychological need to portray some kind of Christian terrorism .

. But, while there is a worrying amount of right-wing terrorism, a specifically Christian terrorism hardly exists.

Counting number of terroris not very productive. There are a large number of incidents - left-wing, right-wing, Islamic, eco-terror, nationalist and other - but few cause deaths.Counting byshows Islamic terror completely dominating the stats for the USA in 1980-2005.Graphic from here . See discussion





National Counterterrorism Center used to track terrorism worldwide.

Here is a view of their stats for 2001 to 2010 from their Worldwide Incidents Tracking System.

Notice how incredibly violent Islam is.





The "See Something, Say Something" video of 2011, from the Department of Homeland Security, urges Americans to report suspicious behaviour.

But in this video, almost every suspicious person is a regular-looking white American.

Yes, terror by white people (both left-wing and right-wing) does exist. But did political correctness - not public safety - dictate the making of this video?





Right-wing terror has been on a worrying increase since 2008. Attacks are usually by loners with no allies, not (thankfully) organised groups. But the trend is increasing and is very worrying.

Here is a list of right-wing terror attacks since 1990.





If you can suggest any more right-wing terror attacks, tell me here

See also Christian terror attacks.

The worst ever act of domestic American left-wing or right-wing terrorism was right-wing terrorism:The Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.By the way, for a good analysis see Charles Krauthammer , April 28, 1995.





Apart from terrorism, who suffers from smaller-scale





FBI statistics for hate-crimes in 2006 show the following: Target number of hate-crime incidents Blacks 2640 Jews 967 Whites 890 Gays 747 Hispanics 576 Lesbians 163 Muslims 156

In other words, religious hate crime targets Jews more than any other group.

The Myth of the Anti-Muslim Backlash by Gary Bauer, 22 Dec 2009, gives stats for religion-based hate crimes in the US: In 2002-06, 68 percent of religion-based hate crimes were against Jews. 11 percent against Muslims. In 2007, 68 percent of religion-based hate crimes were against Jews. 9 percent against Muslims. In 2008, 66 percent of religion-based hate crimes were against Jews. 8 percent against Muslims.

by Gary Bauer, 22 Dec 2009, gives stats for religion-based hate crimes in the US: FBI report on hate crimes for 2009. Of the 1,575 victims of an anti-religious hate crime: 71.9 percent were victims because of an offender's anti-Jewish bias. 8.4 percent were victims because of an anti-Islamic bias.



Hate crimes in USA, 2001-2006.Graphic from here





Hate crimes in Canada, 2009 and 2010.

From here.





Right & Left Violence: Timeline , by leftist Greg Correll, 10 Jan 2011, claims to compare left and right violence in the US since 1990.

It has many problems:

The left often jumps to assign various killers to the "right", and sometimes combines this with a call for a clampdown on right-wing speech.

Yes, sometimes these killers are right-wing. But sometimes they are really lunatics. Sometimes they are even left-wing!





FBI Most Wanted Terrorists , as at June 2011, eloquently shows how all religions are not the same.There is one animal rights terrorist.There areChristian or Jewish terrorists on the list at this time.See larger

The "No Fly" List

An airport worker has seen the "No Fly" List, and says: "There are 9 full sheets ... a grand total of 623,920 names. ... I would guess that the list is 99.5% Islamic names. That is NOT an exaggeration, but a conservative estimate."

Year Attack Wrongly blamed on Turned out to be 1963 JFK Right-wing hatred Commies 1968 RFK Shadowy right-wingers Islamic terror (in effect) 1995 Oklahoma Islamic terror Far right 2002 Beltway sniper Angry white male Islamic terror 2004 Madrid Basques Islamic terror 2009 Fort Hood Post traumatic stress Islamic terror 2010 Times Square Tea Party Islamic terror 2011 Tucson Tea Party Mentally ill left-winger 2011 Norway Islamic terror Mentally ill right-winger 2012 Toulouse Neo-Nazis Islamic terror 2012 Sikh temple The counterjihad Neo-Nazis 2012 Shaima Alawadi Islamophobes Islamic honour killing

Some major wrong calls of recent years.

See this as an image.

One of the worst examples of the left blaming the wrong people was when acarried out a terrorist attack on Sikhs in Wisconsin in 2012.

Leftists blamed anyone and everyone on the right, including more or less the entire GOP. They even blamed Jew-loving, anti-jihad, Israel supporters, who a neo-Nazi skinhead is hardly likely to be reading!

A white terrorist kills 6 Sikhs at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, 5 Aug 2012. PI Bill Warner, who I did not realise was an idiot (he has done work on closing jihadist websites), blames Robert Spencer, 5 Aug 2012. The assumption seems to be that this was an anti-Muslim bigot who was too dumb to realise Sikhs aren't Muslims. Warner seems to assert that Spencer should never talk about stories involving Muslims and turbans, since confused retards like the Wisconsin shooter will then attack people with turbans. Therefore Spencer was wrong to cover the Kurt Westergaard turban cartoon story, despite the fact that it involved actual Islamic terror attacks and plots. Talking about this and showing the cartoon is wrong, according to Warner. Also Spencer was wrong to cover the many ironic turban bombs, such as the turban bomb that killed Burhanuddin Rabbani in 2011. Talking about these is wrong, according to Warner, because it will confuse people like the Wisconsin shooter. Warner's argument, weak as it was, is undermined by the fact that the shooter turned out to be a long-time white supremacist skinhead who hated all non-white races, and had no particular interest in Islam. The idea that a Jew-lover like Spencer would be an influence on him is unlikely. Bill Warner carries on regardless, and calls for Spencer's arrest, 6 Aug 2012. PI Bill Warner is not to be confused with Bill Warner of politicalislam.com.

The Sikh temple shooter.Obviously an avid reader of the Jew-loving, pro-Israel Robert Spencer.Obviously!So obvious that we can go ahead and call for Spencer's arrest.





Why not blame skinhead culture?

It is obvious who to blame for the Sikh temple shooting, apart from the shooter. We should blame

But that is too obvious. The left, for some reason, prefers to blame its normal political opponents - regular, peaceful, parliamentary democrats. Palin was blamed for Tucson. Sarkozy was blamed for Toulouse. And obviously Michelle Bachmann - or someone - is to blame for this shooting.

Irish Muslim (*) "Brown Bomber" blames me for the shooting, 14 Aug 2012.

for the shooting, 14 Aug 2012. He says you cannot criticise Islam because that leads to skinheads attacking Muslims: "Have you read the reports that demonstrate that anti-Muslim propoganda of the kind your familiar with leads to anti_Muslim hate crimes up to and including death. How does that make you feel?"

Nice rhetorical trick. Does that mean you cannot criticise Israel because that leads to skinheads attacking Jews? We can all play this dishonest game.

I reply in that thread.

(*) At least, he seems to be Muslim. He is angry about drawings of the Prophet, and he is very defensive of the Koran and Hadith. He supports sharia law. He denies being a Muslim, but his denials are not convincing. He seems to think Islamic terrorist bombing is amusing ("Brown Bomber") in a kind of passive-aggressive way.

He declares: "If you take Shariah away from Islam there is nothing left" .

. He is furious at a film mocking the Prophet Muhammed, Sept 2012.

Juan Cole, 6 Aug 2012, blames the Sikh temple shooting on everyone he doesn't like. He blames: "Fox Cable News ... Rupert Murdoch ... Rush Limbaugh ... Frank Gaffney ... Michele Bachmann ... Peter King ... Daniel Pipes, James Woolsey, Robert Spencer, Steve Emerson, John Bolton ... Rudi Giuliani, Mike Huckabee and others, most associated with the Republican Party" . Yes indeed, I remember them all calling for attacks on Sikhs by skinheads.

. Yes indeed, I remember them calling for attacks on Sikhs by skinheads. Juan Cole, 21 June 2015, blames the pro-Israel counterjihad (!) for the Charleston racist shooting by a Nazi who hated Israel. Juan Cole blames Geert Wilders, Daniel Pipes and Pamela Geller. Evidence provided: Zero. No evidence the killer ever read them or talked about them or even knew they existed.

The sinister Juan Cole is an expert at blaming people he doesn't like for things they have nothing to do with.





Dec 2014: Australian Muslim "terrorism expert" Anne Azza Aly declares that the Sydney Islamic jihad attack isterrorism.





Feb 2015: Australian Muslim "terrorism expert" Anne Azza Aly (yes, the same person) declares that the Chapel Hill shooting of Muslims is terrorism. (The police say it is not.)



