Smartycookie2

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 1:47PM I recently submitted a post compiling a dirty A2M List. However the purpose of that post was strictly to compile a list for fans of the genre, not to justify Dirty A2M or have a debate with those who dislike it. In order to divert that inevitable “debate” from my sacred list project (and because I’m genuinely interested in the debate), I am posting this separate defense of Dirty A2M. I’ve done my best to address all the objections I’ve ever heard to the genre. See if you agree or disagree. Ass to Mouth has become really popular lately, and I must admit I am a fan. But it has always sort of perplexed me why nearly all A2M is clean, how directors cut out any dirty misshaps that occur from their final videos, and how porn stars even boast about how they take massive enemas before hand, etc. Isn't the whole point of A2M that it

is (or could be) dirty? Here’s the major objections I’ve heard to Dirty (or shall we simply say, No Enema) Ass to Mouth. 1) “I like Ass to Mouth, but seeing any brown stuff grosses me out.”

This is the most common, but also the most perplexing objection to A2M. Of course everyone is entitled to their tastes. However, what is the stimulation of Ass to Mouth if it isn't dirtyness (or at least the possibility thereof)? I can’t think of any reason other than “potential dirtyness” for having so many videos devoted directly to the act of pulling a cock out of a girls mouth and directly into her (or another girl’s) mouth. Can you? 2) “Dirty Ass to Mouth is not sexual, its like a shoe fetish”

All porn (especially anything in the Anal Genre) has some element of “Fetishness” to it. Generally, the distinction that is made between true hardcore fetish and just deviant sex is that true fetish is more focused on the fetishistic act (ie. Tieing someone up, or whipping them, or worshiping their feet, etc.) than on the actual sex. In contrast, Extreme or deviant sex is focused on sex, but just in its more extreme forms or combinations. Many European Scat videos (Sperrgebeit, Tatort Toilet, Grau Zone, SG, X Models, etc.)

undoubtedly fall into the fetish category because they don’t contain sex, or at least not very much and not as the center of the action. Dirty ATM by contrast would feature rough and tumble anal as its focus and core, and the dirtyness would be but one feature. I think this distinction is the reason than many Dirty A2M fans find Euro Scat stuff rather boring. It just isn’t sexual in the least. Incidentally, this also answers the oft-cited slippery slope conundrum, (i.e. “if we allow dirty A2M then we’ll soon be overwhelmed with hardcore scat, snuff films, etc.). This is ludicrous, those things are non-sexual and fetishistic by their very nature, Dirty A2M is not. Thus the audiences that would be attracted to them are entirely different. 3) “Dirty A2M is degrading towards the porn starlets who would do it.”

This is essentially nonsense. I don’t say this because I believe porn can never be degrading. Quite to the contrary, I think its possible to take a perfectly defensible decision that all porn (sex for money) is inherently degrading to who-ever is taking the money. However, once you reject this argument, and come to the conclusion that sex between two consenting adults is not degrading (even if it is 4 women and one man, or all anal, or “rough,” or featuring A2M) then I don’t see how you can distinguish dirty A2M from this conclusion. Dirty A2M is no more degrading than any of the other “extreme” forms of porn that we regularly see in video store. 4) “There aren’t any girls out there who would do it dirty A2M” Well, I suppose I should let the porn starlets themselves answer this one. However, history seems to indicate that there are indeed people willing to do this. 25 Years ago, Anal was virtually unheard of and few self-respecting starlets would do it (because the market didn’t ask them to). 10 Years ago A2M was unheard of and nobody would do it (because they could get no significant premium for it). 5 (or even 2) years ago things like double anal, squirting, and drinking cum out of ass holes was virtually unheard of. Now there are lots of titles devoted to it. My point is just that if there is enough demand, and if, therefore, porn producers are willing to offer a high enough salary, then I suspect that many of the hottest starlets in the business (present or up-and-coming) would not hesitate to do Dirty A2M.

5) “Dirty A2M is Illegal in the USA, anyone who produced it would be prosecuted.” This is a debatable point considering that movies like Assault That Ass 1 feature it prominently. However, let’s assume for a second that a movie specifically titled “Shit Sucking Ass To Mouth Whores: Every Dick is Brown” might get the fed’s attention. I see two ways around this problem. The first is to include the dirty A2M in less noticeable sections like DVD out-takes, hidden sections, and websites (outlined in a previous post. The second, and more interesting option however, would be to include videos that don’t promise “dirtyness” so much as “Naturalness.” Code words could include No Enema A2M, No Cuts A2M, etc. See more on this below. 6) “There’s no large market for Dirty A2M, just look at the Scat Fetish in Europe, it only occupies a minor niche.”

I think I’ve already pretty much dealt with this issue. But here’s a summary. 1) Euro Scat stuff is actually pretty popular in Europe. 2) Regardless of its popularity, it is a rather non-sexual fetish, whereas Dirty A2M focuses on real sex so it has a much wider mainstream appeal. The A2M titles do really well in the USA. Their only attraction is the “dirtyness factor.” People buy them hoping to get lucky by seeing an “accident.” ‘nuff said.

7) “It would be too expensive to produce this stuff”

I doubt it, but even if it was anal accidents happen often enough that one could easily make money producing a compilation of what already exists in the archives of the major studios. Although I personally am a big fan of A2M, I don’t fool myself into thinking that American studios will get there overnight. In all likellyhood, some of the more extreme producers will “evolve” there over the next few years by producing videos that highlight the "dirtyness" element without actually showing anything brown I could think of a variety of video categories/themes like this: 1) No Enema ATM (Girl swears she didn't take an enema for atleast 48

hours before the scene)

2) ATM with really long anal toys (REALLY LONG thai anal beads for instance), I think there was one Rocco scene long ago that did this.

3) Straight off the toilet A2M.

4) Straight off the toilet analingus (human toilet paper theme)

5) A variation on #3&4, no wipe A2M. Girl craps, doesn’t wipe. Or Guy Craps, doesn’t wipe.

The list could go on and on. The point is, none of these scenes would

need to show actual brown, and frankly they could probably even be

faked pretty easily. But since they would be insinuating that there

was a higher likelyhood that the girl was sucking shit, they would be

much more popular than the "clean" ATM that is produced today. Of all of them, I suspect that the “No Enema” genre has the most potential. I could imagine a title like “No Enema Anal: The way nature intended it.” I’ve always thought that a cute opening for something like this would be the guys taking the girls out to a restaurant before the shoot, and as they drive down a strip the guys are like, “what do you want? Chinese, Indian, Italian, Hamburgers? Think carefully because you’ll be tasting it twice.” At any rate, I’ve said my piece, now you are all free to condemn me as a pervert or hale me as a prophet (or just ignore me). J Edited by - Smartycookie2 on Sep 23 2004

Kobe Bryant

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 1:50PM Bravo! I'm with you 100%! DA2M is the future!

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 2:48PM Smartycookie2 wrote: 4) “There aren’t any girls out there who would do it dirty A2M” Well, I suppose I should let the porn starlets themselves answer this one. However, history seems to indicate that there are indeed people willing to do this. 25 Years ago, Anal was virtually unheard of and few self-respecting starlets would do it (because the market didn’t ask them to). 10 Years ago A2M was unheard of and nobody would do it (because they could get no significant premium for it). 5 (or even 2) years ago things like double anal, squirting, and drinking cum out of ass holes was virtually unheard of. Now there are lots of titles devoted to it. My point is just that if there is enough demand, and if, therefore, porn producers are willing to offer a high enough salary, then I suspect that many of the hottest starlets in the business (present or up-and-coming) would not hesitate to do Dirty A2M. Edited by - Smartycookie2 on Sep 23 2004 Click to expand Me, just show me people who are enthusiastic about fucking, and I'm good. I just think most people who are in porn for the long haul would be too concerned about their hygiene. Especially, now.



Smartycookie2

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 3:12PM

I'm doubting that 98% of the girls would agree ahead of time, and most scenes I've seen where it was obvious, even some of the nastiest girls in the business have refused the chunky chocolate nougat. Click to expand skronker wrote:I'm doubting that 98% of the girls would agree ahead of time, and most scenes I've seen where it was obvious, even some of the nastiest girls in the business have refused the chunky chocolate nougat. Smartycookie2 wrote:You make a good point Skronker. Here's what I don't get. There are girls who readily agree to drink cum out of their ass holes, get three dicks stuck up their ass at the same time (ouch!), have thirty men fuck their ass one after another (double ouch!), have other girls puke in their mouths (summer Luv and catalina come to mind), and, most particularly, have guys pee in their mouths and then swallowing it (Extreme Associates (website) and Max Hardcore did this a lot). You probably know the porn business better then me Skronker, but do you really think that there is much difference in the "gross out" factor between swallowing someone elses piss and sucking a cock that's brown from your own ass? And is there a big hygene (or disease risk) difference between eating the cum of five guys out of your friend's ass (see Red Light District) and sucking a single cock that is slightly dirty from your own ass? I guess I just don't see how these things are different. Even if you do perceive a difference, what do you think about my "dirty but not always brown" prediction of No Enema A2M as the wave of the future? This would seem to be a nice middle road of pushing the envelope without risking prosecution, etc. Click to expand

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 3:17PM I think there's a difference between watersports and recycling Shoney's buffet favorites. There's probably hours of BTS footage of messy anal accidents already on tape that someone could compile. I just doubt there is enough of a market for it or you would already see it. There must be a website somewhere with this, though.

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 4:39PM Smartycookie2 Hey dude, I am totally in agreement with you, I am freaking bored with clinically clean anal sex and atm. I mean what the hell is the point of atm if the cock is totally clean and sanitized? lol. Honestly porn doesnt really interest me that much anymore because its all the same. How many times can you watch some chick get fucked in the ass and do atm? It gets really redundant. The shit that turns me on in videos is the unexpected. Like the outakes to Give me Gape, that was fucking awesome. Dirty a2m I hope is the next thing. Jewel De Nyle did this already in the latest Rocco Animal Trainer. Hopefully more will follow. I would even settle for just dirty ass fucking. Anyways I am only on my lunch break from work, I will reply more when I get back! I will try to ad some dirty anal scenes I know of as well! Cya

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 5:29PM Oh yeah, lets not forget the other reason why dirty a2m is not going to take off.........because we're talking about eating shit here people! I have no doubt that there are some people that if you pay them enough they'll eat shit off of a plate. I have no doubt that these people are totally fucked in the head too. This is'nt an issue of being prudish. This is an issue of sanity, cleanliness, and frankly not demeaning someone by asking them to do something that is morally repugnant. Let's be honest, would you want to eat shit? I know I sure as hell would'nt want to, and I would never ask someone else to do it either. Scat, and anything associated with it, is simply the most disgusting fetish I've ever heard of. I've never been an advocate of outlawing any form of adult porn, but this is the most compelling argument for government intervention I've ever seen.

Smartycookie2

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 6:07PM

Smartycookie2 bigbuttlover wrote:Smartycookie2 Hey dude, I am totally in agreement with you, I am freaking bored with clinically clean anal sex and atm. I mean what the hell is the point of atm if the cock is totally clean and sanitized? lol. Honestly porn doesnt really interest me that much anymore because its all the same. How many times can you watch some chick get fucked in the ass and do atm? It gets really redundant. The shit that turns me on in videos is the unexpected. Like the outakes to Give me Gape, that was fucking awesome. Dirty a2m I hope is the next thing. Jewel De Nyle did this already in the latest Rocco Animal Trainer. Hopefully more will follow. I would even settle for just dirty ass fucking. Anyways I am only on my lunch break from work, I will reply more when I get back! I will try to ad some dirty anal scenes I know of as well! Cya Click to expand Glad you agree. I have another thread out there that is compiling a Dirty A2M list. Its called "List of Dirty Anal & Dirty A2M Scenes." Please do post to it with all the scenes you know of. It will prove a resource to us all. J Edited by - Smartycookie2 on 9/23/2004 6:08:29 PM

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 6:14PM This was done in some French porn in the eighties, I always thought it was fake (a bit of chocolate sauce probably did the trick). Really not my thing...

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 6:30PM

I think I’ve already pretty much dealt with this issue. But here’s a summary. 1) Euro Scat stuff is actually pretty popular in Europe. Click to expand 6) “There’s no large market for Dirty A2M, just look at the Scat Fetish in Europe, it only occupies a minor niche.”I think I’ve already pretty much dealt with this issue. But here’s a summary. 1) Euro Scat stuff is actually pretty popular in Europe. Believe me, Scat IS a really small niche. At my local videostore - rather big with about 8000 dvds - there might be as much as +/- 25 dvds with scat fetish content. And these DVDs seem to be never rent. They are placed in the darkest corner of the shop. I wonder, if any one rented them at all.

The same with GGG dvds, these DVDs arent as popular as you Americans think.

How come? Become they are crap. The production quality - compared to US porn - is way below standard. The girls are ugly, the guys are. too. Cutting is crappy and sex is weak. Thats how it is! So, don't tell me scat movies are popular here. The only reason they exist, is because it is allowed to make them. Their sheer existence, has nothing to do with a large demand. I've never seen a scat movie myself, it's disgusting. And thats how most Germans raincoaters think of it.

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Anyway, a little dirtyness, when it comes to A2M, would be okay, i say. But instead of A2m, i prefer still gapes and anal toy games.

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 7:58PM 1st Creampies, now Mudpies.

AlexPanzer

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 8:01PM ...Dirty A2M...

AlexPanzer

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 8:02PM Good name for a movie like this would be Dirty Sausage.

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 8:21PM I'm a lover of ATOGM, I'm even a fan of when the spit, sweat and ass juice mix into an orange-yellow snot like sustance which the girls slurp and lick off the cock, however dirty ATOGM... I don't think I can follow you there!

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 8:31PM ATM is just fuckin nasty. Now you are bringing up dirty atm???!! What sick bastard would want to watch a girl sucking on dick that has some shit on it.

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Posted - Sep 23 2004 : 8:52PM

Scat, and anything associated with it, is simply the most disgusting fetish I've ever heard of. I've never been an advocate of outlawing any form of adult porn, but this is the most compelling argument for government intervention I've ever seen. Click to expand eyeman wrote:Scat, and anything associated with it, is simply the most disgusting fetish I've ever heard of. I've never been an advocate of outlawing any form of adult porn, but this is the most compelling argument for government intervention I've ever seen. Scat play, although not of much interest to me, seems mild and friendly by comparison.

Eric Lowery

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 1:40AM Lay some brown down on the ground and ride that Hershey Highway. This is all wrong. If I'm not mistaken you can die from sucking ca-ca off of someone's shaft.

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 1:45AM Even though dogs do it, I don't think shit was made to be recycled.

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 1:50AM

Good name for a movie like this would be Dirty Sausage. Click to expand AlexPanzer wrote:Good name for a movie like this would be Dirty Sausage.

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 2:14AM

Good name for a movie like this would be Dirty Sausage. Click to expand AlexPanzer wrote:Good name for a movie like this would be Dirty Sausage. Click to expand mason wrote:What about "Browned Sausage"?

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 2:57AM Click to expand mason wrote Click to expand "Browned Sausage" brought to you by the makers of Jimmy Dean. Then have the before and after with a frying pan and.........

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 3:10AM Brown Doggie and the Love Bug

Featuring the sexy sisters- Intestinal Flora and Fauna. Red hot scenes with E.coli and that vamp, Hepatitis. Cameo appearances from Bowel Bacteria and various intestinal parasites...should sell well.

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 6:42AM

For me, seeing a girl get her face slapped, or get a penis forcibly jammed in her throat until she vomits produces exactly the reaction you describe, yet that is legal and apparently very popular in the US. Click to expand licker wrote:For me, seeing a girl get her face slapped, or get a penis forcibly jammed in her throat until she vomits produces exactly the reaction you describe, yet that is legal and apparently very popular in the US. Playing with and EATING shit is disgusting. I say anyone into that fetish is more turned on by humiliation, manipulation, degradation and inflicting pain. A person needs to be introspective and seriously wonder "why am I turned on by this?" I'd suggest doing that while talking to a Psychiatrist.

Smartycookie2

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 7:49AM With no offense intended to any of you, let me simply say that the majority of the posts so far have been rather unenlightening. You are perfectly free to disagree with what I say, but please try to do it in an interesting, factually correct, and internally consistant way. Here's a few clarifications to get us back on the right track. The first "Fact" on which my post is based is that Ass to Mouth is extremely popular in American movies. It is rapidly gaining in acceptance, and nearly every American anal studio now produces it. Now, your reaction to this fact could be, "I think Ass to Mouth is disgusting because of the dirtyness factor (and I also think anal in general is rather disgusting for the same reason)." If this is your reaction, then good for you, you are being internally consistant and you have every right to your opinions. HOWEVER, based on what titles are the most popular, I assume that most of you will instead have the reaction, "Yes I like Anal and especially Ass to Mouth." If this is your answer, then another question immediatly pops up. Why do you like anal? And why do you like Ass to Mouth scenes? Think about the first time you saw something like this, what was your reaction? In all likelyhood, it was something like "Holy Sh-t, I can't believe this girl is doing something like this." The possibility that the dick was coming out of an ass presented the obvious implication that it might be "dirty" and the fact that a girl was willing to suck it emphasized her "sluttiness" and made the whole scene all the more arousing. So the potential dirtyness and the willingness of the girl to accept this were the main things that proved very attractive. Now here's a few more facts. First, no matter how many enemas you take, your ass is never entirely devoid of fecal matter. It may be so little that it can't be seen, but its still there, and thus A2M is already, to a slight degree, Dirty, (and I suspect that's the attraction of it). Additionally, other than transmitting germs (similar to saliva) and a few potential STD's (Similar to cum and pussy secretions), there is nothing particularly dangerous about fecal matter. In fact, thanks to you bone heads who don't wash your hands after taking a crap, we live surrounded by fecal matter every day. Did you know that 8% of dollar bills have fecal matter on them, the 80% of the door handles in public bathrooms have fecal matter? At any rate, my point is just that its not particularly harmful other than spreading the same germs that any other body fluid would also spread. So now let's return to Ass to Mouth. I've submitted the idea that the only possible attraction of it is the potential "Dirtyness." If you are a fan of "clean" A2M but dislike "Dirty" A2M, then please try to disprove me, what is your "clean" attraction to it? If you can't think of any, then you are already on the slippery slope. If you like A2M with fully enema'd butt-holes, how would you feel about A2M with butt-holed that hadn't been enema'd? In all likelyhood one would still not be able to see any dirtyness in many of these scenes, but statistically it would be likely that there would be a higher amount of gunk inside the butt, and thus the supposed "sluttiness" of the girl to be willing to suck it, would have to be even higher. If "No Enema A2M, might be OK, then how about if it might be possible to see some brown stuff on the guy's dick in some of these scenes, just in the natural course of business. Its really just a difference in degree from our earlier examples, and since the perceived sluttiness factor (and thus attractiveness) of the girl moves in lock step with the "crazy stuff" she's willing to do, it makes since that some brown A2M would be interesting to watch. Yes your first reaction might be, "this is disgusting, I can't believe she's doing this," but you would also find yourself strangely attracted to it. I remember having this reaction the first time I ever watched anal, many years ago. It seemed disgusting, but also strangely attractive exectly for its very disgustingness. Slowly it changed from disgusting and attractive to simply attractive, and so I (and the porn industry) have never looked back. Its just a natural evolution. Let me also simply end by saying that what I am advocating is not the "scat" that some of you say. I'm sure most of you have seen videos or pictures (at least on the internet) of ugly German women like Veronica Moser with their mouths full of crap. I find this just as disgusting as you. Why? Because its not sexual, not in the least. And there is also the factor that its totally staged. I think there is a certain fun element to saying to the girls, don't take an enema, we'll see what happens. Or simply including the anal accidents when they happen instead of cutting them out. That makes it more natural. Or at least as natural as porn sex ever gets. At any rate, that's my two cents. J

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 5:47PM Click to expand Additionally, other than transmitting germs (similar to saliva) and a few potential STD's (Similar to cum and pussy secretions), there is nothing particularly dangerous about fecal matter. In fact, thanks to you bone heads who don't wash your hands after taking a crap, we live surrounded by fecal matter every day. Did you know that 8% of dollar bills have fecal matter on them, the 80% of the door handles in public bathrooms have fecal matter? At any rate, my point is just that its not particularly harmful other than spreading the same germs that any other body fluid would also spread. "Dangers of Exposure: The greatest danger of exposure to fecal matter is the possibility of it entering your mouth and then getting into your digestive system. While most people would never knowingly ingest this matter, not using proper hygiene after contact with fecal matter or sewage can create a path for microorganisms to enter. Hand-to-mouth exposure to fecal matter can cause illnesses such as salmonellosis and hepatitis A. Salmonellosis is a bacterial disease whose symptoms include abdominal pain, diarrhea, nausea, and somtimes vomiting. Hepatatis A symptoms include fever, malaise, anorexia, nausea, and abdominal discomfort, followed within a few days by jaundice. It can be a mild illness lasting 1–2 weeks or a disabling disease lasting several months. The possibility of contracting life-threatening diseases such as hepatitis B or AIDS is ex-tremely remote as neither hepatitis B nor HIV can be transmitted by the fecal-oral route." Here's a link to the whole document: [link inactive:404 - Page not found]UCB CaCa Page

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Posted - Sep 24 2004 : 5:54PM Did you know that 99% of percentage "facts" are made up on the spot? Edited by - Recondite2 on 9/24/2004 5:54:52 PM

Smartycookie2

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 4:41AM A few points. 1) These are dangers of eating someone else's brown-ness. 2) These dangers are already present in current A2M.

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 4:45PM I don't see this as the wave of the future by any means. This crosses my personal boundary and while it might become the peristaltic wave of the future, it'll probably never be mainstream. That's just wrong.

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 7:23PM I once done a trade with a mate, i had never seen a shit orientated dvd before, but anyway it was called shit gangang.. This dvd was sick, they were groups of quite pretty girls in a garden and they were shitting in each others mouths, pissing in glasses and all drinking.. Gross.. I dont think you should ever see shit in an adult movie imo...

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 10:13PM

With no offense intended to any of you, .... You are perfectly free to disagree with what I say, but please try to do it in an interesting, factually correct, and internally consistant way. Here's a few clarifications to get us back on the right track. Click to expand Smartycookie2 wrote:With no offense intended to any of you, .... You are perfectly free to disagree with what I say, but please try to do it in an interesting, factually correct, and internally consistant way. Here's a few clarifications to get us back on the right track. i feel that your argument is purely argumentative and essentially futile as you're are trying to reconcile what is essentially an emotional reaction with the rationale behind it. as a general rule, the 2 are not reconcilable. but as i am an argumentative person myself, i will try to reply to your questions. right off the bat i will ignore any arguments over why this is not a good idea from a legal or health viewpoints. if health was an issue then no porn should be allowed as despite everybody's best efforts documented aids cases exist. as far as the law goes, things are either allowed or not. whether the law makes sense is another discussion altogether. Click to expand HOWEVER, based on what titles are the most popular, I assume that most of you will instead have the reaction, "Yes I like Anal and especially Ass to Mouth." Click to expand If this is your answer, then another question immediatly pops up. Why do you like anal? And why do you like Ass to Mouth scenes? Click to expand Think about the first time you saw something like this, what was your reaction? In all likelyhood, it was something like "Holy Sh-t, I can't believe this girl is doing something like this." The possibility that the dick was coming out of an ass presented the obvious implication that it might be "dirty" and the fact that a girl was willing to suck it emphasized her "sluttiness" and made the whole scene all the more arousing. Click to expand So now let's return to Ass to Mouth. I've submitted the idea that the only possible attraction of it is the potential "Dirtyness." If you are a fan of "clean" A2M but dislike "Dirty" A2M, then please try to disprove me, what is your "clean" attraction to it? Click to expand If you can't think of any, then you are already on the slippery slope. the "slippery slope" combines with "excluded middle" ("if you are not with us you are against us") are 2 typical tactics used in arguments and rhetorics. for example "if legalise alcohol soon we will have to legalise heroin". the same way there is a range of possibilities between alcohol and heroin there is between liking anal/oral sex to a2m to da2m and they are all equally valid positions. Click to expand I'm sure most of you have seen videos or pictures (at least on the internet) of ugly German women like Veronica Moser with their mouths full of crap. I find this just as disgusting as you. Why? Because its not sexual, not in the least. And there is also the factor that its totally staged.

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 10:58PM I seriously doubt "dirty ass-to-mouth" circus acts will become the wave of the future simply because there just aren't very many women willing to do something like this. Besides, John Ashcroft and his anti-porn gestapo would most certainly pounce all over anyone who attempts to produce such a concept. Accidents involving leakage of feces is bound to happen during anal sex but when it becomes the focal point of the scene, it obviously takes it to another level that I'm sure many don't wanna cross. Its just human nature NOT to want to play with excrement, let alone get it any where near one's mouth. Human waste not only has repulsive stench but it can also carry harmful viruses and bacteria, not to mention parasites. Simply put, shit was made to be flushed down the toilet and thats where it belongs.

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 11:12PM That sounds even less appealing than regular ass-to-mouth.

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Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 11:18PM I don't know about anyone else but I think this is a really shitty thread. Max Booty

Art Isn't Easy.

Myload

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A rose is what you are to me

10476 Posts

6/03

Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 11:20PM

I don't know about anyone else but I think this is a really shitty thread. Click to expand Max Booty wrote:I don't know about anyone else but I think this is a really shitty thread.

Smartycookie2

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185 Posts

9/04

Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 11:31PM OK, if I may, let me redirect things a bit. What's apparent so far is that some of us think dirty A2M would be hot and some of us think it wouldn't be. There are also a bunch of people who are writing in about how they think hardcore scat films would be disgusting. I agree, personally, but it is (as some people have pointed out) really a personal taste thing. So instead of rejecting a discussion of personal taste in favor of vain attempts at hyper-rationality, let's embrace it for a second to see if we can detect a discernable dividing line between "hot" and "disgusting" So, which category (hot or disgusting) would the following video titles fall into? (imagine your favorite anal porn star doing this). 1) No enema ass to mouth sex. This wouldn't have to have any brown-ness at all. It would just be a natural production of anal sex as it has gone on for thousands of years (before ladies started flushing themselves out with gallons of fleet enemas). They'd just show whatever happened, but in most cases there wouldn't be any brownness whatsoever. 2) Leaving Anal Accidents in films (or including them in out-takes sections). (Or, lets say compiling them into a video release). In this scenareo things wouldn't be staged, but if it happened, it wouldn't be cut. If it happened, why not see it? Would these really be so disgusting?

Asmodeus

Lord of Lust



az-mo-day-us

14568 Posts

10/01

Posted - Sep 27 2004 : 11:46PM Its not a question if we as porn fans find dirty A2M's appealing or repulsive, its whether most porn babes would even consider doing something like this in the first place. Granted, there have been mishaps involving fecal leakage with many of today's popular starlets but for the most part that's all they were: accidents. And as I said in my last post, if any legitimate porn producer even tried making a series based on dirty A2M action here in the US, I'm almost positive the DOJ would go after them on obscenity charges so this is basically a moot point. Edited by - Asmodeus on 9/28/2004 1:03:15 AM

Endless Loop

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8/04

Posted - Sep 28 2004 : 2:26AM Pocketcomb_Pimp wrote: 1st Creampies, now Mudpies. Click to expand

I'm quite sure i'm devoid of this interest, as I'm still bereaveing the loss, of the gloriously gifted Julie Silver from my "go list"

due to a brief run in, with what merely appeared to be the tail end of the dreaded detriment. Though a long confirmed anal fanatic, A2M is a act that somhow loses the direct association of exactly what it is, and where it originates.

What I mean is, it simply fails to draw the reactionary boost, a more visually direct act delivers, such as the visual effect of swallowing cum.

Although an undertaking whereby she closes her mouth to gulp it down, the eyes "see" the pool of cum, then the ears concurrently,"hear" the gulp, enough so, that the intuitive connection is made, engaging the stimulus.

The other hurdle, is that as a porn enthusiast, Its now witnessed on film, more and more frequently, without ever seeing, nor actually taking the noxious risk.

Missing this dynamic, the sensory mind naturally loses whatever response, if any, it would have originally drawn.

Unless someone actively practiced this nefarious maneuver, to support the relationship in the subconscious, theres nothing to reinforce or maintain the stimulus. Which reminds me. I think its time to see if the ol lady, will reinforce some cum swallowing stimulus.



Edited by - Endless Loop on 9/28/2004 2:32:10 AM

Smartycookie2

Member



185 Posts

9/04

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 4:16PM So no take on the ideas of natural no enema A2M and leaving anal accidents in?

Renee

Senior Member



1247 Posts

8/03

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 4:26PM I'll take you up on your idea. But with a twist: Let some woman do you anally with a strap-on.

You will leave your ass au natural , naturally.

You will do A2M, repeatedly.

You will report back to us all here, about your invigorating experience. Those that talk, gotta walk the walk, as the saying goes.....



bigbuttlover

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Los Angeles

261 Posts

4/03

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 6:55PM How much will you pay renee lol

SpongeWorthy

Member



pacific NW

880 Posts

5/04

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 7:49PM And yet another new porn acronym is born, STM

Walter Burns

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IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no.

11564 Posts

11/02

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 7:54PM Renee wrote: Those that talk, gotta walk the walk, as the saying goes..... Click to expand









rjk13 said:

"Part of the fun on this site is predicting which of the obnoxious posters gets banned next."

Renee

Senior Member



1247 Posts

8/03

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 9:51PM STM - Strap-on to Mouth. What a helluva idea. Using the logic of this thread, there must be a growing interest in female-to-male strap-on movies, 'cause [link inactive:404 - Page not found]Joey Silvera is coming out with one in November, called 'Strap Attack'. Will it have STM, dirty or otherwise? We'll have to see. I won't pay anything for SmartyCookie to do dirty STM; let's just say it's not my thing (the dirty part, that is). Edited by - Renee on 9/30/2004 9:51:19 PM

licker

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Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic

5796 Posts

8/03

Posted - Sep 30 2004 : 9:52PM

I'll take you up on your idea. Renee wrote:I'll take you up on your idea. But with a twist: Let some woman do you anally with a strap-on.

You will leave your ass au natural , naturally.

You will do A2M, repeatedly.

You will report back to us all here, about your invigorating experience. Those that talk, gotta walk the walk, as the saying goes..... Click to expand Unfortunately, there's not that much demand for old short fat guys in porn.



SpongeWorthy

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pacific NW

880 Posts

5/04

Posted - Oct 1 2004 : 2:16AM Renee, I was thinking something else but I like your idea better

Smartycookie2

Member



185 Posts

9/04

Posted - Oct 1 2004 : 11:57AM Do you guys really think that there aren't any girls out there who would do Au Naturale (no Enema) Ass to Mouth if offered the right sort of compensation package? I find that pretty hard to believe. If there are girls who are willing to eat the cum of six guys strait out of their asses, there are certainly some who would do No Enema A2M.

Hardrain

Member



12 Posts

1/08

Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 5:18AM Ok guys have been reading your forums for the last few weeks, was not going to comment, as I would rather speak with my material (website) rather than dialogue, however the serious lack of testosterone in this thread is starting to make me think some of you guys are taking yourselves way to serious here..!

Firstly if your balls are that small that your afraid of a little dirt...you should probably stick to rub n tug porn that's about as clean as you'll get, makes me wonder if any of you have had sex with a girl in that time of the month? most girls i've come across love to indulge should their man not be afraid to get dirty

Secondly, stop analysing the finer details you could get blood out of a stone if you really analysed things think about that!

Anyhow enough of that and on to the thread, the deed is done and I agree with smart cookie (and many many others) that it is sexy indeed, seeing a girl that will still go to great lengths (literally) to please a man orally straight from the "a" and with no inhibition

For you bio paranoid types worried about the transmission of disease, it's the girls dirt, remember any thing that she is going to catch she already has so get over it, oh and I never force a girl to swallow after dirty A2M, and though I do appreciate their brown tongue poking out as I cum on it I am happy for them to gargle some mouth wash afterwards?

Now A 2 other girls mouth perhaps you have some weight in your argument

So where are we now?

Some of my background on this: I am 29, my first gf was 16 when she was introduced to anal and she was dirty 100% of the time we did it (admittedly it was after a night on the piss) however call me a convert but my initial impressions were oh god my sisters bed spread... and oh gee what is she going to think when she sees what I can see, and I also had the dilemma that I thought anal was always dirty because of this girl, however I was to learn later on that most girls are not dirty all the time, and one was actually clean all the time (but she consumed like 100 calories per day)

I soon realised the eye is with the beholder and should a man feel uncomfortable, the woman's emotions are sure to follow also... should a man have balls and get on with it and enjoy it? sure I was surprised to learn that nearly all women were fine with the dirt, just a little encouragement needed to sooth a few doubts in their minds goes without saying

So since my first gf I realised this and continued to convince my girls into trying anal, I also did a little research and began to teach them how to cum and enjoy it in many instances more than a regular cum

For the record: anal when done on a woman's back is the most relaxing for them and the easiest to accommodate you I have tried this with success with at least 10 different women, and never failed. Once you're in, come in close and hold them, do not move until you give them time to accept it. once they are loosened up you can start to work them, your pelvis will rub their clit naturally during it and bring them to their first anal orgasm and they will have no probs about doing it with you again

But for the record, I prefer doggy I can a) see their ass spreading as my hardon slides up the center, and b) smell the potent scent of anal sex rising up to my nose as i work them, scent is arousing I don't care if ur disgusted where a fucking nose plug if u can't stand it

**anyone for anal porn minus all the smoke screens and mirrors?**

Having been blessed with a large erection (8 1/2) and a reasonably good camera eye I am in the process of compiling a messy anal website and I am not talking a trickle of chocolate sauce at the end (giggle is that really the best you people can find) I am talking about my shaft being covered in it like it has been around 50% of the anal encounters i've had with women, perhaps 30 out of the 60 women I have had anal sex with have been dirty, some just the head of my erection is brown, others there is a good skid mark or thickness enveloping it all the way down to my balls however the latter is somewhat more rare and requires a women to be a) within an hour or two of a needing the bathroom b) an extremely fast metabolism.

Nothing creates a situation for messy anal more than a woman who eats a lot, however don't be tricked into thinking a BBW is perfect for you, because they might have a slow metabolism which means your likely to have a clean anal session, your odds go up by 200% if you get with someone that eats regular meals and doesn't diet by starving themselves, so? look for a sporty type, netballers, runners, cyclists, typically lean and hi energy expenditure, eat alot, expend alot, common sense prevails

So apart from handing out suspect cards to lean women on train stations among other recruitment methods I am in the process of get a website and merchant up and running, I currently have two hours of decent footage recorded recorded on a panasonic AG-HVX200, however it is unlikely that I will be releasing any of this independent of the website launch

Feel free to contact me with suggestions or donations, currently my preferred theme is POV doggy style, skirt lifted up from the back and plenty of lighting but this may change upon request for future recording. Oh and lastly this wont be a cheap site be prepared to go without dinner for a few nights to get yourself a subscription :) I'm sure you consider this a worthwhile trade off

x

Edited by - Hardrain on 1/27/2008 5:32:16 AM

below_me

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An entire generation of men spoiled by a few kinky pornstars. You know who you are!!

1228 Posts

9/07

Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 5:29AM 2 things:

1. Learn how to spell

2. For God's sake don't ever write that much about dirty ATM ever again.

BlackSix

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pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world

18387 Posts

9/07

Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 8:55AM I think that post turned me off anal sex for life.

Al3x

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1322 Posts

1/07

Posted - Jan 27 2008 : 9:54AM