"What would happen if suddenly we found Trump is setting fire to the Humane Society?" said Greg Garrison, a conservative former radio host in Indiana who has long known Pence, choosing an absurd example to make the point that Trump's recklessness has been exaggerated. "Does that mean Mike is going to go along? No, he's not. But I think Mike is where he is because he understands this president and where we are right now."