semitope this doesnt put fe in a weird position. this will cost a ton more due to certification etc.

EntropyZ People that favor GeForce are probably going to sh*t on it for having more power draw, as is their custom.

EntropyZ They could do it, it would almost be like going from Fermi to Kepler, but the die is most likely still going to be 14nm. So I guess the efficiency increase they can gain would be kinda low.

And people will buy it exactly because of "certification etc". So the short-lived "pro" Vega FE will become what it was meant to be from the start: a direct competitor to Titan. Not a very good one...Sure, because those that prefer AMD and Intel are different (years of jokes about FX and now a retaliation thanks to the so-so Skylake-X efficiency).Originally (before the mining craze) NVIDIA was said to be preparing a Pascal Refresh for 1050(Ti) and Volta for everything above. Why? Because 1050 is artificially limited. Remove that and it'll reach the same clocks 1060 does. That would give it +50% performance - more than enough for next generation (even with new architecture).As for the other cards... it's a mystery. To be honest they could just shift the models (2060 := 1070 etc) and add a Volta-based flagship. Again: +20-40% performance.Pascal is so energy efficient that doing this would not make the cards hugely power-hungry. 1070 draws merely 30W more than 1060 - that's easily acceptable - especially when you look what's currently happening in the red camp.