>> rick santorum , of course, you ran for president last go-around. we talk about ted cruz . it's an opportunity to see him pheasant hunting, which we don't want to miss that opportunity. to what extent do you think he's for president?

>> there isn't a leader in the republican party right now. that's part of the problem, that's part of the mess and the confusion. but that's always the way it is with a party out of power. you have lots of different faces and those faces, as we've seen, they come and they go.

>> is he doing more harm than good, more good than harm? come on, you can be up on that debate stage with him in iowa.

>> i would say in the end he did more harm. i think it was not his objective. i think his objective was a laudible one. i don't think he did a very good job and pointed it out. i think it's one thing to have a goal and a plan to get you to that goal.