TheSeks said: I don't really care about CS:GO competitive. What I want is:



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WELP. When Team Fortress 2 goes back to the "competitive"/vanilla mode where each class had a specific role and way to play it, I'll consider playing Team Fortress 2 again.



The whole backburner/flare gun/etc. items just drew me away from the game. Click to expand...

If it wasn't for new weapons we wouldn't even have this thread because TF2 would have been dead years ago.People hoping for this to be a stock only mode (which professional players don't even want) are going to be pretty disappointed.One of the main reasons Valve wants to get a proper competitive system going is they feel there's a major disconnect between comp and regular play. A major part of people watching comp play is emulation of the techniques used. The pick/bans of regular players in Dota, for example, almost always line up with whatever is popular in pro games at the time. Except you can't emulate the techniques used because the format is entirely different and might as well be a different game. Even pro TF2 players struggle when entering a random game with unfamiliar weapons and stuff like 5 Snipers per team. They want to make sure the professional scene is as close to what regular people play as possible. And also to standardize things so you don't have one league that bans the Black Box and one that allows it, so people can't really perfect using it because they might not even be able to in a particularly conservative league. I specifically mention the Black Box because that is a weapon Valve themselves mentioned was a weapon they love seeing get comp use, which it does in the couple of leagues that allow it, but they'd love to see it used more and for ban lists to be a bit more standard.Valve also has no good data on what weapons are broken and which need buffs, so far they've been using useage statistics to throw stuff and hope it sticks, but want more refined and high level data that they can only really pull with a proper system that allows all items.So yea, the "dream" (which again, not even pro players want) of stock only isn't going to happen. It defeats the original intents of even starting work on matchmaking.