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ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 1 recommendation ITALIAN926 Member Slow and steady is wonderful I dont understand why everyone is in such a rush for metered internet, it is the ONLY logical outcome once TV is "revolutionized" 34764170 (banned)

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Etobicoke, ON 34764170 (banned) Member Re: Slow and steady is wonderful said by ITALIAN926: I dont understand why everyone is in such a rush for metered internet, it is the ONLY logical outcome once TV is "revolutionized" "Everyone" is not in a rush to move to metered Internet. Only ISPs are in a rush to move towards metered Internet so they can keep their revenues up (and rip customers off) on services that are reducing in cost of delivery. FactChecker

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join:2008-06-03 FactChecker Premium Member How to get quality content with online economic expectations (free->cheap) Perhaps the solution to this is for someone to make good quality content that people want to watch, for what they want to pay for it. (e.g. Netflix w/ House of cards still cost 100M and they need much more than that)



Or publish unique content for what people are willing to expose personal information to get (e.g YouTube, Vine, etc)



The difficulty is studios do want to get paid (a lot) and need to recover from bad bets (e.g. After Earth), while people want to ad skip or get this for free.



Somethings will win and some will lose and people can vote with their wallets.

TamaraB

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TamaraB Premium Member Re: How to get quality content with online economic expectations (free->cheap) said by FactChecker: Somethings will win and some will lose and people can vote with their wallets.



The broadcast industry are locking themselves out of a lot of revenue. The above scenario is available today. Subscriptions to Aereo (with DVR), Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and Amazon Prime provided about 80% of available TV/Movie content. The remaining 20% is freely available on the P2P networks, and represents potential customers which the broadcast industry has no desire to service. You can only vote with your wallet when there is a paid option to do so. I would pay for a TV subscription which was 100% À la carte, is streamed over the Internet at a time and in a format I choose, and playable on any device I choose. Oh, and if I am paying for the content, I don't want to see any commercials.The broadcast industry are locking themselves out of a lot of revenue. The above scenario is available today. Subscriptions to Aereo (with DVR), Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and Amazon Prime provided about 80% of available TV/Movie content. The remaining 20% is freely available on the P2P networks, and represents potential customers which the broadcast industry has no desire to service. ISurfTooMuch

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Tuscaloosa, AL ISurfTooMuch Member Do what cable did What OTT video services need to do is copy what cable did in the 1970s. Back then, the networks had all the good programming locked up, so the emerging basic cable channels (anyone remember Superstation WTCG?) scraped up whatever programming they could find--the cheesier, the better. WTCG showed badly-dubbed Japanese live-action shows (Ultraman and Space Giants come to mind), and other channels showed old cartoons and whatever old movies and TV shows they could get. The new OTT services need to do basically the same thing--find whatever content that people might like and offer it. Forget about anything that's on the major cable channels because that's out of their reach for now. Scour the globe for anything that looks interesting, no matter where it's being produced.



In essence, the OTT services need to forget about breaking into the programming space controlled by the big broadcasters. Instead, they need to find their own content. It'll be a slow process--it took cable 20 years to see results, but that's how you do it.

danc4498

@68.71.106.x danc4498 Anon Xbox One is a stopgap technology by design. I think everybody is confused. Microsoft isn't trying to reinvent TV, they are trying to keep you from turning off your Xbox.



The specific comment about users not being able to use Comcast VOD seemed to be the most short sighted comment. Why do I need Comcast VOD when I'm on an Xbox? There's Xbox video (which likely has all the same paid content), HBO Go, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, You tube... And if I can't find the content on any of those, then I'll pick up the comcast remote to search their VOD offerings.

tc1uscg

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Guantanamo tc1uscg Member Re: Xbox One is a stopgap technology by design. Well at least they are not saying they "invented TV" much less the internet. toejam15

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San Jose, CA toejam15 Member Re: Xbox One is a stopgap technology by design. Thats Apples line... your moderator at work hidden : Personal attacks

elefante72

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Well as I understand the Xbone runs all it's apps in a VM, so they could have simply put a media center VM in there and a cablecard offboard interface (like HDHRprime), and voila they could have had an integrated DVR.



But alas MSFT has abandoned MC and I think that was a huge mistake because they could have charged minimal $$$ and then buying the XBone would have been worthwhile if you wanted media and XBG may be worth it. Then they could have simply sold xbox extenders or the like for streaming an apps to other TVs or came up w/ a Roku-like device that was energy efficient.



With them disallowing the family pack they pretty much fractured the xb360 market for that, and simply want one updating to the borg box.



The googleTV was a fail at this if you recall and it almost took out Logitech. The operators will never play well over the "top" of the STB, the only way to work with the operators is create the STB or a CC solution.



With cloud DVRs coming up, it is inevitable that DVR's as we know them are going away anyways... amungus

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America amungus Premium Member Re: Xbox One is a stopgap technology by design. It really is sad that MC is neglected - wouldn't quite call it fully abandoned, as it seems they'll support it through at least 8.x. Adding it to 8.x seems like a mess though.



The opportunity for an Xbox to be a Tivo is huge. It really doesn't make sense that they don't exploit this tech. Passing a cable box through the console seems like the messiest thing ever. Why not take it the one step further, as suggested, and just plug in an HD Homerun prime to it? Heck, take it one step further - just add a damn cable card slot, and a coax input directly on the box.



Even a Microsoft branded "cable box" would be a "killer app" situation. I think people would MUCH rather BUY such a device outright if given the opportunity - not everyone, but perhaps enough to make it worthwhile.



At this point, the only hope for the future of media center is Hauppauge and maybe a few others. I hope that someday it's easier to just buy the cable *service* without being practically forced to rent a box. Maybe someday, "cable ready" will come back around to the digital age and actually stick around. OwlSaver

OwlSaver

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Berwyn, PA OwlSaver Premium Member Re: Xbox One is a stopgap technology by design. I think that not including a CableCard slot/COAX Input was the biggest mistake that MS made with the XBOX ONE.

Probitas

@teksavvy.com Probitas Anon too many middlemen There are WAY too many broadcasters and other pie eaters all scrambling for the same piece. They are forcing the industry to work the way it does to enjoy job security. Instead of having all these different broadcasters showing the same content over different mediums, we need one place to go to order what we want. Simplify the whole experience, and the only way that works is if they stop trying to get customers to subsidize crappy content.



Why anyone who watches 5 - 10 channels in total should have to pay for 80 is stupid. And stupid is as stupid does. They set it up to force the issue with their bundling BS. Satellite does it too. They know what's popular and split those channels into many channel bundles and make you buy them ALL to watch the ones you want. It's a huge scam and should be stopped cold.

cableties

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join:2005-01-27 cableties Premium Member Not liking it... All these "net appliances".

The "future" of TV.

Pay-to-Play

Pay-to-view

...



Xbox requires LIVE and $60/yr (saavy can find cheaper but not much less) to play.

PS4 offers PSN+ with similar features (but you don't have to have to play with friends online...at this time).

More integrated advertising and marketing in games and on console screens



I hate commercials. No. I hate obnoxious, stupid, degrading (to your intelligence), and cheap local commercials. I think many of you also agree. But its coming.

Already, 360 has ads on the front page of the main screen. They'll push ads before they speed up the slow menu screens.



Wait for the ads to be embedded in the load screens. Same with netflix and others, ... they'll place an ad based on info that box you leave on, has gathered.



The future... not so great. No wonder we like oldskool games and PC gaming... more control to use, less BS... FactChecker

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join:2008-06-03 FactChecker Premium Member Re: Not liking it... Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss. jaymerkramer

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said by cableties: All these "net appliances".

The "future" of TV.

Pay-to-Play

Pay-to-view

...



Xbox requires LIVE and $60/yr (saavy can find cheaper but not much less) to play.

PS4 offers PSN+ with similar features (but you don't have to have to play with friends online...at this time).

More integrated advertising and marketing in games and on console screens



I hate commercials. No. I hate obnoxious, stupid, degrading (to your intelligence), and cheap local commercials. I think many of you also agree. But its coming.

Already, 360 has ads on the front page of the main screen. They'll push ads before they speed up the slow menu screens.



Wait for the ads to be embedded in the load screens. Same with netflix and others, ... they'll place an ad based on info that box you leave on, has gathered.



The future... not so great. No wonder we like oldskool games and PC gaming... more control to use, less BS... With PS4 you do have to have PS+ to play with your friends online now. You don't have to have PS+ for the right to use Netflix or other apps though. Neither system offers free online gaming any more.

buzz_4_20

join:2003-09-20

Biddeford, ME (Software) Sophos UTM Home Edition

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buzz_4_20 Member On the subject. Hacking my 360 and putting Freestyledash on it was the best thing I ever did for it.



No ads, no media features, just a Video game console, sure it can do other things, but I have to set those things up.



Just play games... I have plenty of other things that can do all kinds of neat media tricks. Like an XBMC box... that draws 30watts MAX, and plays bluray, online ETC.

BimmerE38FN

join:2002-09-15

Boise, ID BimmerE38FN Member Re: On the subject. Is this supported online with XBL? I wouldn't want to get my xbox banned for this kind of mod...

buzz_4_20

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Biddeford, ME buzz_4_20 Member Re: On the subject. Not Even Remotely

BimmerE38FN

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Boise, ID BimmerE38FN Member Re: On the subject. Didn't think so.

v6capable

@comcast.net v6capable Anon At least it's doing something right.... www.internetsociety.org/ ··· er-ipv6/ djd221

join:2013-07-26

Wellford, SC djd221 Member uhhh What exactly is "an awkward tangle of interfaces and controls." if i have to pick up the remote for on demand?

Sterling

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Pittsburgh, PA Sterling Premium Member Re: uhhh said by djd221: What exactly is "an awkward tangle of interfaces and controls." if i have to pick up the remote for on demand? Vod on demand is still being provided by an xfinity app just as it correctly is on the 360, which people would quite with the misinformation, otherwise pretty soon someone will be reporting that the xbox one doesn't support dlna, these apps just didn't make in time though development in time for release, but when they are ready, you will again have xfinity vod and media streaming back, plus a dozen other apps that didn't make the release date. Plus its very possible with another app, that once comcast begins there second phase of of x2 and chans and vod are both streaming via ip, that the xbox will have no issues tapping into that. Which puzzled me at first is if they were intending to be the media mecha center, not have developed that, but It's possible they didn't want to push out developement of the xbox just to have something that would be replaced anyway by IP delivery anyway. dynodb

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Minneapolis, MN dynodb Premium Member I swear I'll... ...pistol-whip the next man who says "disruptive".



Stupid buzzwords I hates them. Also, mangled movie quotes. UnnDunn

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Brooklyn, NY UnnDunn Premium Member Microsoft went half-assed, and it's annoying What annoys me about this is that Microsoft already has a solution to this problem. It's called Windows Media Center. All they have to do is take tuning infrastructure they already built and slap it into the Xbox. It is robust enough to support many different tuner standards--ATSC, DVB-T, DVB-S and cable. It can talk to tuners attached via USB or over the network. They've already built devices running Windows Embedded that support it.



They could have put that in Xbox One and asked people to buy external tuners from third parties--or themselves. It would take some education, but the end result would be absolutely magical.



It boggles my mind why they didn't do this. Five years ago Microsoft probably would have done this. your comment..

