Severian Profile Joined September 2010 Australia 2045 Posts #1



After a few minutes I came up with the following, which I couldn't find anywhere in a search:



First of all, you might want to turn your keyboard repeat rate up, and the repeat delay down. This will probably already have been done for most Zergs as it helps when building units from multiple larva, but it also helps here so I thought I'd mention it.

Next, bind the Roach's Burrow and Unburrow commands to different hotkeys. It doesn't matter what they're set to, as long as they're different and comfortable.

Then, once you have your group of Roaches and they're fighting the enemy, select an injured one and then HOLD DOWN the Burrow hotkey.

After that, click on injured Roaches one-by-one as fast as you can, without letting go of the hotkey.

When you don't want to Burrow any more Roaches, let go of the hotkey.



That's it! You can Unburrow regenerated Roaches in the same manner, or by box-selecting, or by selecting all your Roaches and hitting the Unburrow hotkey.



I find this method to be noticeably faster than hitting Click-Burrow-Click-Burrow (it's essentially limited to how fast you can spot an injured Roach and click on it, which I think is optimal -- it removes the delay from pressing the Burrow button individually), and you can't accidentally Unburrow any Roaches you want to keep Burrowed.



The only problem I can see is that it might take a bit to get used to the different Unburrow/Burrow hotkey for Roaches, depending on what you change one/both of them to.



As an aside, this idea was based on my attempt to perform quicker Blink micro by holding down the Blink button. Unfortunately, though, the disablement of the Blink hotkey isn't immediate, so you'll sometimes try to Blink the same Stalker twice, which seems to kill that idea. I very recently saw a replay in this thread that showcased some phenomenal Roach Burrow micro. The consensus seems to be that the person in that replay was hacking, but nevertheless it made me wonder if there was a way to come close to that level of speed when Burrowing injured Roaches individually (or indeed any other Zerg unit, but it's most applicable to Roaches due to the increased health regen). Currently you have to select a Roach then hit the Burrow hotkey (repeat), which adds a small delay to each Burrow. This can result in the Roach's death.After a few minutes I came up with the following, which I couldn't find anywhere in a search:First of all, you might want to turn your keyboard repeat rate up, and the repeat delay down. This will probably already have been done for most Zergs as it helps when building units from multiple larva, but it also helps here so I thought I'd mention it.Next, bind the Roach's Burrow and Unburrow commands to different hotkeys. It doesn't matter what they're set to, as long as they're different and comfortable.Then, once you have your group of Roaches and they're fighting the enemy, select an injured one and then HOLD DOWN the Burrow hotkey.After that, click on injured Roaches one-by-one as fast as you can, without letting go of the hotkey.When you don't want to Burrow any more Roaches, let go of the hotkey.That's it! You can Unburrow regenerated Roaches in the same manner, or by box-selecting, or by selecting all your Roaches and hitting the Unburrow hotkey.I find this method to be noticeably faster than hitting Click-Burrow-Click-Burrow (it's essentially limited to how fast you can spot an injured Roach and click on it, which I think is optimal -- it removes the delay from pressing the Burrow button individually), and you can't accidentally Unburrow any Roaches you want to keep Burrowed.The only problem I can see is that it might take a bit to get used to the different Unburrow/Burrow hotkey for Roaches, depending on what you change one/both of them to.As an aside, this idea was based on my attempt to perform quicker Blink micro by holding down the Blink button. Unfortunately, though, the disablement of the Blink hotkey isn't immediate, so you'll sometimes try to Blink the same Stalker twice, which seems to kill that idea.

KimJongChill Profile Joined January 2011 United States 6426 Posts #2 wow this seems really helpful, cant wait to try it. i had no idea you could just hold the burrow hotkey down and click haha. MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss

TheKanAry Profile Joined August 2010 United States 149 Posts #3 Nifty, be sure to try that out, thanks those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

smocca Profile Joined May 2010 United States 83 Posts #4 Nice tip. I have had burrow and unburrow on spacebar but I find myself constantly fumbling around if I try to do midbattle micro. I'll give this a shot.



Does anyone know of a roach micro UMS like the marine split challenge? There's always the unit tester but a minigame would be kind of fun.

Kinetik_Inferno Profile Joined December 2010 United States 1424 Posts Last Edited: 2011-04-07 01:49:19 #5 This is F*cking awesome. [read in epic deep voice plz] No longer shall I do the weak click-burrow click-burrow, but I shall now pwn the armies of the protoss and terran with my epic roach micro. :D



Absolutely awesome find. This is incredibly useful, even though I rarely play zerg. "The most important skill in life is the ability to quickly and succinctly explain to someone why they are a dumbass."

N3rV[Green] Profile Blog Joined August 2009 United States 1830 Posts #6 Oh man, I see some really wonderful things coming from this idea.



can't wait till there are some replays showcasing legit sweet roach burrow micro in the style of that hacker......if only I played zerg.



Oh well, this is a wonderful find OP. Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.

iPBioOrMech Profile Joined May 2010 Turkey 297 Posts #7 He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible... i created scan BM, MvP created mule drop.

Wonderballs Profile Joined April 2010 Canada 253 Posts #8 I think it works this way if you're hotkeys are set to grid already. I can't recall ATM but I believe they have different letters to press to burrow and unburrow (or cloak/siege/transform) I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.

orotoss Profile Joined September 2010 United States 298 Posts #9 Really nice tip, I will try this.



I wish they made burrow and unburrow work like ground and air mode for vikings, or siege and unsiege for tanks. I hate when you have a group of roaches, some burrowed, and you want to either burrow or unburrow them all but it only gives you one option, so you have to tab to get the right one, and sometimes you accidentally do the exact opposite of what you want. Would be much easier if you could just have burrow and unburrow be different hotkeys and work like siege/unsiege. BLARRGHGHH

TripleCow Profile Joined February 2011 United States 240 Posts #10 On April 07 2011 10:53 orotoss wrote:

Really nice tip, I will try this.



I wish they made burrow and unburrow work like ground and air mode for vikings, or siege and unsiege for tanks. I hate when you have a group of roaches, some burrowed, and you want to either burrow or unburrow them all but it only gives you one option, so you have to tab to get the right one, and sometimes you accidentally do the exact opposite of what you want. Would be much easier if you could just have burrow and unburrow be different hotkeys and work like siege/unsiege.



Um.........



Burrow and unburrow can be set to different hotkeys.



But anyway, this is a really interesting find. I've always had a bit of trouble with burrow micro for the exact reasons OP listed. Will be sure to try this out. Um.........Burrow and unburrowbe set to different hotkeys.But anyway, this is a really interesting find. I've always had a bit of trouble with burrow micro for the exact reasons OP listed. Will be sure to try this out. Tyler: "I only needed one probe to take down IdrA. I had to upgrade to a zealot for Strelok."

Budzlight Profile Blog Joined December 2009 United States 577 Posts #11 On April 07 2011 10:53 orotoss wrote:

Really nice tip, I will try this.



I wish they made burrow and unburrow work like ground and air mode for vikings, or siege and unsiege for tanks. I hate when you have a group of roaches, some burrowed, and you want to either burrow or unburrow them all but it only gives you one option, so you have to tab to get the right one, and sometimes you accidentally do the exact opposite of what you want. Would be much easier if you could just have burrow and unburrow be different hotkeys and work like siege/unsiege.



Did you read OP? The second step tells you to bind hotkeys different. Did you read OP? The second step tells you to bind hotkeys different. I was the 5% that voted for thorzain in the TSL for round 1

smocca Profile Joined May 2010 United States 83 Posts #12 Why are people so mean? He obviously is talking about being able to burrow/unburrow mixed roaches without tabbing. If you have two siege tanks selected, one sieged and one unsieged, the icon for both options is available in the ability grid. No need to tab. It would be cool if burrow worked like this.





ChaoticBlack Profile Joined January 2011 Australia 287 Posts #13 Gonna try this in ladder today since I've been practicing using roaches to go under the forcefields like IdrA's been doing in stream for a while.

Never new about the keyboard repeat rate and delay, Ill try that out too. Thanks Severian, nice tip. Senjougahara Fascination

KevinIX Profile Joined October 2009 United States 2462 Posts Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:11:49 #14 On April 07 2011 11:05 smocca wrote:

Why are people so mean? He obviously is talking about being able to burrow/unburrow mixed roaches without tabbing. If you have two siege tanks selected, one sieged and one unsieged, the icon for both options is available in the ability grid. No need to tab. It would be cool if burrow worked like this.





I think he's talking about changing the hotkey itself. It is possible to use custom hotkeys (change burrow to d and unburrow to e.) Just go to the hotkeys editor in the menu.



edit: nevermind I understand what you're saying now. I think he's talking about changing the hotkey itself. It is possible to use custom hotkeys (change burrow to d and unburrow to e.) Just go to the hotkeys editor in the menu.edit: nevermind I understand what you're saying now. Liquid FIGHTING!!!

orotoss Profile Joined September 2010 United States 298 Posts Last Edited: 2011-04-07 02:21:07 #15 I realize that you can change the hotkeys for each. I was super excited to fix this very problem when they allowed us to make custom hotkeys. Unfortunately, roaches act differently than tanks and vikings. When some are burrowed, it treats them as a different subgroup within the whole group, so you have to tab between unburrowed and burrowed roaches.



For example, suppose I have burrow hotkeyed to "B" and unburrow hotkeyed to "N." I have 8 roaches burrowed and 12 unburrowed. Suddenly, the opponent scans and I need to unburrow and run. I select all of my roaches (its hard to double click unburrowed units when there are units standing on them) and hit N. This does nothing because the main group it selected was the unburrowed ones. So I have to hit tab and then B, which wouldn't be too much of an issue if it always chose to select one group first over the other, but it seems to choose randomly.



Sometimes, you burrow all your roaches, and then a few rallied reinforcing roaches walk over them and when you box all your units you suddenly have to hit tab to unburrow them. It's annoying because it is so inconsistent. I really don't understand why they don't work like tanks. BLARRGHGHH

ZeromuS Profile Blog Joined October 2010 Canada 12923 Posts #16 Changing repeat rate IMO is a cool idea but that wont help you if you ever play at a lan with your own accesories and provided computers. Strategy Overwatch is awesome | Support is the best role | @TL_ZeromuS | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_

Incanus Profile Joined October 2009 Canada 692 Posts #17 On April 07 2011 11:27 ZeromuS wrote:

Changing repeat rate IMO is a cool idea but that wont help you if you ever play at a lan with your own accesories and provided computers.

Yes it will, this is a basic hardware setting like Windows mouse speed, which players often do and are allowed to change. Yes it will, this is a basic hardware setting like Windows mouse speed, which players often do and are allowed to change. Flash: "Why am I so good?" *sob sob*

MrCon Profile Blog Joined August 2010 France 23163 Posts #18 On April 07 2011 10:50 Bio0rMech wrote:

He had 700 APM, thats kinda impossible...

I think he had 700 APM because he held down the burrow hotkey with a very quick repeat rate. I think he had 700 APM because he held down the burrow hotkey with a very quick repeat rate.

mockturtle Profile Blog Joined March 2011 United States 196 Posts #19 On April 07 2011 11:27 ZeromuS wrote:

Changing repeat rate IMO is a cool idea but that wont help you if you ever play at a lan with your own accesories and provided computers.



Why wouldn't you be able to change the kb settings? Why wouldn't you be able to change the kb settings?

Syben Profile Joined October 2010 United States 512 Posts #20 I have seen the replay and though your idea and theory is a good tip, I dont think it really explains completely all of the shadiness of that players actions Definitely gonna switch to G, the only race I havent played yet. - TLO

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