It can’t be particularly fun to have Michael Irvin yelling at you about the news of the day, and to judge by Stephen A. Smith, it might just be scary as all hell.

During a routine “First Take” segment in which the two were arguing over Ezekiel Elliott’s holdout from Cowboys training camp, Irvin became even more animated than normal, raising his voice and getting out of his chair to make his point while referencing Dallas owner Jerry Jones.

While he was doing that, Stephen A. looked downright terrified.

“You’re missing the point here. It ain’t just dollars, it’s egos that rises the billionaire to the billionaire!” Irvin yelled. “Yes, they got the money, that’s why they went and bought the team. And the one thing they want to do more than anything is run around the other billionaires and say, ‘I beat you!’ (If) Zeke can give them a title, you’re gonna tell Robert Kraft, ‘I beat you!’ You’re gonna tell all those other owners.”

Smith was, technically speaking, smiling. More literally speaking, it was the expression of a man who got into something the magnitude of which he did not realize.

He held a hand out, as if to try and slow Irvin down and bring the argument back to normal magnitude, and eventually the Hall of Fame wideout re-took his seat.

Smith is no stranger to heated debate over this kind of thing, but the likes of Skip Bayless and Max Kellerman, it seems, are nothing compared to Irvin turned up to 10.