Lalalandia said: I think you may agree with Women Against Rape more than you think, after all the parts of the article I quoted explain why 'irrefutable' proof that the false allegations were malicious is impossible.



It's a non-issue simply because of how rare it is and the statistics I quoted show how deeply unlikely a person is to a) make an allegation or b) that allegation be false as again if the most aggressive prosecuting country in the world can only muster a ratio of 0.9% for false allegations it's highly unlikely that the problem is more prevalent than that.



Unless you feel a better source for the prevalence of false allegations are YouTube commentators rather than actual crime statistics. Click to expand...

ibyea said: Yeah, the web site goes on to reason that more likely than not, it would be the innocent that would be prosecuted. And these prosecutions are already happening. Again, there is nuance here. Click to expand...

4. Whilst it is not an exact science, it may be instructive to

compare the figures for those prosecuted for making a false

allegation with the number of prosecutions for rape, sexual

assaults and domestic violence which took place during the

same period

(i) there were 5,651 prosecutions for rape, and 35

prosecutions for making false allegations of

rape.

(ii) there were 111,891 prosecutions for domestic

violence, Click to expand...

JD, 30-year-old mother of a girl of four. Sentenced to two years in July 2009 for perverting the course of justice. She had called the police during a row with boyfriend at her home. Police found her concussed and injured. They questioned her for two days without sleep. Eventually she named her boyfriend, who she had fought with that night. Next day she realised it was a flashback to a rape six months earlier committed by a different man. JD told the police that she had made a mistake and the accused was released after just a few hours. He had not been publicly named. The CPS decided to prosecute her, and once the prosecution against her was instigated, his name was headline news. He said in court that he did not want to see her imprisoned, he just wanted his name cleared. She lost her appeal against the sentence. Appeal Court judges commented, "Allegations such as this drive yet another nail into the conviction rate. . . An immediate custodial sentence is inevitable when a false allegation of rape is made . . .” It was vindictive, but typical, and quoted Lord Justice Judge Click to expand...

In a court of law you must have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. That is how it works.The website outlines bad practices within the police force. This is an ongoing thing, with new suggestions for different practices in the way they deal with rape cases over the years. This is an area where more work can be done I guess.I don't know why you keep bringing up the prevalence of rape accusations when I have already said that isn't an argument I made. It's like you're arguing with an imaginary MRA activist or something. I have made no argument about the prevalence of false rape accusations. What I did mention however is that we simply don't knowhow prevalent it is because there are no reliable figures. The studies are all over the place. That is not actually stating either way. It is probably quite low, but exactly how low, no one really knows.My argument isn't about the prevalence of false rape accusations it is more about the principle of justice. I find the idea of there being absolutely no repercussions for a false rape accusations unsettling. We talk about how low the statistics are, but of course that doesn't mean there aren't people out there that make false rape accusations. It just means those women who do make rape accusations can do so in the knowledge absolutely nothing will happen to them. I don't think that is the right way to go at all.It seems a bit of a weird argument actually. On one hand they are saying how incredibly low false rape allegations are, but on the other making an argument about how convictions for false rape leads to people not coming forward. It is stated that we pursue these things more than a number of other countries, but then it is still relatively low. 44 out of 159 cases were pursued in 2011-2012. And that's out of thousands of cases.Well, I will just explore this a little. it talks about police practices where they make a number of claims without any real indication of how widespread or the accuracy of such statements. These seem to be accusations they have simply heard or they themselves simply claim. Some of the arguments made, it has to be said, it isn't really clear to me how changing the law would help. It would seem to me that greater reform of police procedures would be more effective. They do cite a study also, however. A home office study from 2005. That study was critical of the way rapes were recorded. The study was conducted in an attempt to deal with rape cases better. This is something that is ongoing with the Home Office. This has real data so that study would indicate legitimate concern, It's from 2005 so I don't know exactly what measures were put in place.Here is the study: http://paladinservice.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/gap-or-chasm-rape-report.pdf I also read a CPS study to see another side to this:Just to put things into perspective:35 prosecutions in comparison to 5,651 prosecutions of rape. If you just go by raw data alone, it at least shows that there probably isn't some crazy culture of prosecuting women who they just believe are lying by default. At at least it isn't significantly pervasive. There has got to be some criteria to it, otherwise there would much more of them.The study goes through a number of these cases in detail and explain the criteria they use to determine which cases they decide to prosecute. Basically we can decide for ourselves on this one. They give the details of the individual cases. In a number of the cases they just eventually admit they were lying.I should mention that the website mentions a number of cases they believe are a miscarriages of justice. Maybe they are, but they are one sided views of the case without having the exact reasons from the prosecution.This one in particular, I just felt I needed the other side of the story on it because it sounded a little weird.It just sounds weird to me, and I feel more information would be required before I could make a judgement.