“You have to have a thick skin at a rugby club because when there are 40-50 boys together there is going to be a lot of nonsense flying about. The forwards usually say the same things: ‘You’re doing sod all.’ ‘You’re useless in the gym.’ In response we’ll normally be saying: ‘I know you’ve been mauling and scrummaging all day but we have just done a new record at keepie-uppie so you should be happy with us.’ That winds them up. Or it’s the old one: ‘If you had any skill you’d be a back like us too, but you’re not, so unlucky!’