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"Worldwide Coverage of the Sibel Edmonds Bombshell!"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Larisa Alexandrovna said on 1/8/2008 @ 9:14 am PT...





Wow, talk about entirely crazy. Not your post Brad, but on this person Mizgin's post. It is amazing to me that someone who knows nothing of journalism, source-reporter relationships, the work that goes into confirming a story, is going to give me a lecture on their blog about what I posted on my personal blog. At the very least, Mizgin could have read the preface to the list in which I state rather clearly that I am posting information "from my own investigation." Apparently, I am only allowed to post what this Mizgin thinks is appropriate with regard to this case. I know that with collecting clips of news reports all day, someone could get a bit confused about just what it is they think they know. I would have appreciated an email from this fine mental all star if there were questions, but I don't appreciate the lecture. I am not going down a laundry list of what ONLY Sibel knows, because I have been for the past few years trying to understand the scope and implications of her allegations. That is why I can add things that do not appear on Edmond's list. I can also subtract things, that do appear on Edmonds list from my own notes. Why? Because if I cannot find a confirming source, then I am not simply going to take someone's word for it. Sibel has not been and obviously cannot be my source (prison). So for the last few years I have worked this story on my own trying to confirm as much as possible of what Sibel has said. On Lantos, I simply don't have additional confirmation. That is not to say that I question Sibel's allegations. I don't. It is simply due diligence in terms of investigating. On Kissinger, he does relate from his involvement with funding and supplying the extremists in Turkey (who are still there by the way). You cannot start this story at the birth of Sibel and end it with the photo gallery. Her allegations require context to fully understand. So I have no problem with my list. Mizgin has shown exactly why there are so many skeptics about citizen journalism. You can believe a source with all of your heart, but a single source without any confirming evidence, context, etc., does not equal fact in the eyes of standard journalistic procedures. That is why one attempts to verify as much as possible on their own if there is only a single source. Otherwise, Mizgin, you would simply be a stenographer - and frankly, that is exactly what Mizgin is. Sadly, Mizgin has now made this important story about herself and her fight against the big, bad, journalist - me - who has been one of the few people trying to report this story. Really, consider the harsh criticism and tell me - any of you - if Mizgin is justified. L

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Me said on 1/8/2008 @ 9:47 am PT...





hmmm. If you research Lantos you'll easily find out tons about: Lantos & AIPAC; Lantos & JINSA; Lantos & WINEP; Lantos & Armenian Genocide; Lantos & Kurdish Issue; and more. Makovsky is on the list right? Well, it takes only 5 minutes to establish that Alan Makovsky works for Lantos directly as a congressional aid. Did you miss that? How?! Also, there are tons of articles (legit ones) on Lantos in Turkish. Mizgin can read Turkish; so either you have to have Turkish translators working for you, or, speak Turkish to really research Lantos. Do you? Here are a few links (in English;-), you can find tons (legit/established) on Lantos, and I can't see how that can be missed: http://www.edwinali.com/news.php?readmore=65 http://www.gmfus.org/eve...id=268&parent_type=E http://www.jinsa.org/art...,2359,2166,147,1723,3116 Then you should oppose Makovsky & Sayari!!! Considering both are paid (officially) by Lantos' office as 'aid & advisor.' Facts are facts. Whether someone is a Democrat, or, a holocaust survivor, should not taint it! That's all.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Larisa Alexandrovna said on 1/8/2008 @ 9:58 am PT...





You are finding connections. You are not finding proof of the allegations. Are you suggesting that I removed him because he is a Holocaust survivor? Interesting. Sad, but interesting (Me=Mizgin?).

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 1/8/2008 @ 10:28 am PT...





There is no more American MSM, as I have been saying, the MSM is from Amurka. In Amurka, this story of Sibel's is treason, because she is not obeying the dictates of Big Brother. In America the treason is being done by the presstitutes in the MSM. Simple really ... Amurka v America.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Miguel said on 1/8/2008 @ 10:33 am PT...





The only thing the pictures that Sibel has posted tell me, as a reader, is that these are the American officials she heard referenced in FBI wiretaps by Turkish officials and/or spies. No confirming source is needed. We are talking about people referenced on a wiretap. Furthermore, there is a feeling amongst those of us who follow the case that many of the 'liberal' bloggers simply don't want to cover this issue properly because it reflects badly on Democrats as well as Republicans. I'll name other names of journalists either misreporting or not reporting on the Edmonds case: Steve Clemons, Jane Hamsher, Josh Marshall. This is an explosive story, now given important backing by a major foreign newspaper: U.S. officials taking cash for passing nuclear secrets. While our own government refuses to prosecute said officials, it tells us, the American people, that we must sacrifice our civil liberties in order to be kept safe from nuclear terrorism. What is there about this story NOT worth covering from a liberal perspective? The minute we become partisan in our analysis of such disgusting public corruption, we lose all ability to become faithful guardians of the public trust. We become Democratic Party shills, little better than the right-wing shills we all decry. Grossman is a Clinton appointee. Lantos is a Democrat. Solarz is a Democrat. Get over it. There are serious allegations against these people levied by an open, credible source. All of them need to be investigated by the alternative press because the government and the major media have given them a pass. If the allegations not true, let them be exonerated. If they are true, they need to be exposed and- at minimum- their lucrative consultancies ruined. At a maximum, they should be incarcerated for a very long time.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Anon said on 1/8/2008 @ 10:40 am PT...





Amen! My belief exactly.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... A Jeffersonian said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:02 am PT...





Re Larisa Comment #1. Mizgin is entirely correct. If Larisa had created HER OWN unique list, rather than plagiarizing Sibel Edmonds' list, then she could make whatever changes she likes. But to both plagiarize the list, and then blast Mizgin for knowing "nothing of journalism" is absurd. Since when is plagiarism considered "good journalism". Larisa - come off it - do your own work and then you can take credit for it, and change it if you like. Until then, back off and stop trying to corrupt something you have no real knowledge of. Sibel Edmonds knows what she knows - you don't.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Larisa Alexandrovna said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:03 am PT...





Miguel, I both covered this on my blog and had it posted on Raw Story. I listed all the names, but one - the one I could not find any allegation for. I have listed Marc Grossman, which should put the story of me scrubbing the list of Jews or Democrats to rest. I am hardly part of this group of people you list and if you actually believe that, then it is unfortunate for all of us, because if those of us on the same side are going to attack one another, we won't accomplish much. Frankly, it is precisely this kind of garbage that makes me disinterested in doing any more work on this story. Instead of thanks, I get called everything from a spy (go read the psycho blogs) to protecting Democrats. We don't need the criminal element to discredit this story. This nonsense will accomplish it all on its own. And yes, I too share your frustration that the left leaning blogs did not cover this. I even wrote about that too. I expect this bullshit smear from the people we are exposing, not from the people on the same side as me. How sad it is that you and your friends (I read your posts at those other blogs) I once considered on the same side as me. ## Brad, sorry for hogging up so much of the comments section. Obviously I did not want to make this a big argument, but I did want to address this nonsense that I am covering up for someone based on their religion and/or party affiliation.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Larisa Alexandrovna said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:08 am PT...





Okay one more post and then I am done. I am now being accused of plagarism? Were gray wolves on Sibel's list? King Faisal? Kadi? Just curious? I added Lantos to the list when I saw her gallery, but then thought it was a mistake, given that I did not have anything on him. That is why I removed him. So let me see here: According to Mizgin, I am "working for someone." I assume she means Mossad. According M, above, I am scrubbing the list of Holocaust survivors and to Miguel, of Democrats. Now Jefferson is claiming that I am now guilty of plagiarism. My god, is this who Sibel has as her activists? You should be ashamed of your selves for this nonsense. ## Brad, sorry, that was last post. I will let these fine, brilliant, all-stars go off to find the little green men.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... ME said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:17 am PT...





Okay, here is a post from someone who has done his homework-journalistic: [Lantos is mainly known for his exceptionally close ties with Israel, but he does have some Turkish connections. In November 2001, he was one of the signers of a letter to President Bush supporting Turkey, and in February 2002 he co-sponsored a bill praising Turkey for its roll in the war on terror. Lantos also received an award at some point from the American Turkish Council. According to a Wayne Madsen item of a couple of years back, "Past recipients of ATC awards are a 'Who's Who' of the neo-cons, neo-libs, and their supporters of which Washington, DC is teeming with infestation: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Richard Holbrooke, Al Haig, Eric Edelman, Newt Gingrich, William Perry, William Cohen, Tom Lantos, and Marc Grossman. Another award recipient was Princeton Professor Bernard Lewis (who once compared Iraqi con artist Ahmad Chalabi to Kemal Ataturk)."] Now add to that: Makovsky works directly for Lantos. Sayari is Lantos' advisor. ATC is a conformed target of the FBI operations...And, Lantos is on the gallery (appropriately). Why these facts(all legit public record) were not mentioned before removing Lantos??!! That's the question. And it hasn't been answered.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... calipendence said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:22 am PT...





On the topic at hand here, when I mentioned Lantos as one of those being pointed to here, an Armenian friend of mine, who keeps heavy track of issues like the Armenian genocide, etc. responded to that news by saying something like "Well that's why he changed his position on the genocide resolution." So it might be good to study that angle to see if it fits in with the Hastert Vanity Fair piece more. Perhaps not as much the nuclear black market parts. Its also interesrting that BOTH he and Hastert have left the congress. Brad, I did catch the tail end of the I.N.N. World Report Interview with you on Free Speech TV a few minutes ago on this topic, so even though the MSM of this country isn't covering it, at least we have some other independent video newscasts covering it here. I set my PVR to record a later chunk of it today. Good job!

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... A Jeffersonian said on 1/8/2008 @ 11:58 am PT...





Re Larisa's comment #9: Come on Larisa - now you're going to "take your ball and go home"? - you started this, so take a little constructive criticism in stride -And- the definition of plagiarism as defined in Webster's "The act of plagiarizing; taking someone's words or ideas as if they were your own." Seems to fit. I repeat, the list taken from Sibel Edmonds' justacitizen website is her list, not your list- so I think it is you who should be ashamed of yourself here; A little apology from you would go a long way toward putting this to rest - and show that you are not above admitting when you have made a mistake.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Bob In Pacifica said on 1/8/2008 @ 12:26 pm PT...





I don't understand the big deal about Larisa A. removing Lantos' name from her list because she has no proof of his involvement in the case according to her investigation. She says Edmonds has Lantos' picture posted which is her way, in avoiding violation of the states secrets laws, that she implicates him. But how? I don't see anyone actually saying, for ex, that "Lantos was paid X dollars for Y at such and such a place at such and such a time." So if you don't know then how can you get upset if Alexandrovna doesn't know? Are any of you posting at sites where no one is writing anything about Edmonds' revelations? Maybe that would do more for the story than carping about a reporter who won't misreport a name for which she has no proof.

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Miguel said on 1/8/2008 @ 12:39 pm PT...





Bob In Pacifica, "Are any of you posting at sites where no one is writing anything about Edmonds' revelations?" Check out comments on Steve Clemons post about Edmonds.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 1/8/2008 @ 12:49 pm PT...





I stayed out of this cause, well frankly I don't understand it. (I get it somewhat, e.g. moles were selling nuclear secrets) But what I do understand is what the oath of office is. I don't care who these people are politically, if they broke their oath of office I want them out of our government yesterday. This delay technique should be enough to start questioning the oath of office of ALL the people creating the delay itself! Whoever they are and whatever office they hold. To not take immediate action on this matter is the same as letting a boatload of Robert Hanson's control the US Government! Screw the media, what we need is to leverage the fucking door open with honest people to flush out this infestation. It's past time for this corruption to go.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... WebNutMark said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:20 pm PT...





Re: Edmonds vs. Alexandrovna vs. Mizgin, et. al. From my reading on this, it seems that many are missing the point of what has actually been said. Edmonds states that what she has revealed was based on her own observations and recollections and rely on no outside facts or opinions. Alexandrovna, independently of information from Edmonds, researched the facts and reported her conclusions based entirely on her own research using sources completely independent of Edmonds. If their statements are accurate, in reality it strengthens both of their arguments, since two completely separate researchers/witnesses came to nearly identical conclusions. If Edmonds alone were to state her evidence, it would be easier to refute since it is likely very hard for her to provide proof of her allegations. Their slightly different positions are no different than if two different people were reporting independently on the same painting in a gallery - that they describe virtually the same scene is less important than minor differences between their accounts.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... A Jeffersonian said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:27 pm PT...





The reason I am disturbed by Larisa's attempt to modify Sibel Edmonds' list is just that it is Sibel Edmonds' list, and by creating it she is telling us something that we should pay attention to - about EVERYONE on the list. It is certainly proper for any of us, including Larisa, to discuss each and every one - to research and find whatever we can - perhaps then we'll discover on our own their significance. But one thing we cannot do because we do not know - we cannot take it upon ourselves to try to judge whether anyone on the list should be there or not, or whether anyone else should be there. Sibel Edmonds, and she alone knows why they are there. I don't know, you don't know, Larisa doesn't know.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:36 pm PT...





... Larisa Alexandrovna said on 1/8/2008 @ 9:58 am PT... You are finding connections. You are not finding proof of the allegations. Are you suggesting that I removed him because he is a Holocaust survivor? Interesting. Sad, but interesting (Me=Mizgin?). Yesterday on her own blog, Larissa chastised an individual for using the word "Zionist" to describe Dov Zakheim, a person who describes himself as a "Zionist." Fully half of the people of Sibel's list are Zionists, whether Jewish, Christian or Atheist. She went on to claim that any use of that term implies "Jew" (a false claim), AND FURTHER, stated that she has completely sworn off use of the word Zionist, and essentially let everyone know not to mention that word on her blog - implying that its mere use is somehow anti-Semitic. When viewed in the light of this entire conspiracy, and her unilateral decision to remove Lantos from the list, one must ask what agenda Larisa is pursuing that would benefit by removing the term "Zionism" from the entire story. Anyone who fails to put Zionism at the very center of this conspiracy does so purposefully, particularly in light of the use of the word repeatedly in the PNAC document. Prior to the popularization of the replacement term "Neocon," - The Zionist Organization of America proudly led its efforts with the use of this word to define its agenda - the creation of Eretz Israel - the project which proceeds apace. Beware of "thought police" who would compel you to change the English language to conceal the guilt of those they might prefer to protect from scrutiny. You ant Lantos off the list? I say let's focus twice as hard on Lantos if only for your desire to shine the light away from him. Truthseekers don't take search terms off the table - or admonish others to do so. Beware the hidden agendas of those who doth protest too much. Media ownership study ordered destroyed

Sept 14, 2006 'Every last piece' destroyed Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that "every last piece" of the report be destroyed. "The whole project was just stopped - end of discussion," he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC's Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/ "You can't tell any more the difference between what's propaganda and what's news." FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein

15 August, 2006

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:46 pm PT...





CATCH-22: AMERICAN CORPORATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA DOESN'T REPORT ON WHY AMERICAN CORPORATE-CONTROLLED MEDIA ISN'T REPORTING THE SIBEL EDMONDS WORLDWIDE BLOCKBUSTER STORY!!!

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... WebNutMark said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:49 pm PT...





I don't recall seeing anywhere that Larisa's list is based on anyone else's list, only on her own research. I also don't recall anyone saying that because a name appears on one list it must appear on all lists. As I stated above, from my brief research, each list was created independently based upon only what each individual was willing to stake their reputations on as being the truth. If Larisa cannot say personally that the evidence she posseses says that a given person is involved, she is completely correct to withhold that name from her list. Further research may provide more evidence in the future, but she has published her list now. Likewise, if Sibel cannot positively confirm the identities of every person or know for certainty that they were involved, she is completely correct to put only a question mark in place of their photograph. Everyone absolutely should form their own conclusions based on their own research and the evidence they find, and to weigh each piece of data on it's own merits. I'm sure that each would gladly modify their list to include anyone that could be positively and independently verified to be involved within their own personal level of confidence.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 1:50 pm PT...





SOCIAL ENGINEERING: While social engineering can be carried out by any organization - whether large or small, public or private - the most comprehensive (and often the most effective) campaigns of social engineering are those initiated by powerful central governments. Extremely intensive social engineering campaigns occurred in countries with authoritarian governments. In the 1920s, the revolutionary government of the Soviet Union embarked on a campaign to fundamentally alter the behavior and ideals of Soviet citizens, to replace the old social frameworks of Tsarist Russia with a new Soviet culture, to create the New Soviet man. The Soviets used newspapers, books, film, mass relocations, and even architectural design tactics to serve as "social condenser" and change personal values and private relationships. Similar examples are the Chinese "Great Leap Forward" and "Cultural Revolution" program and the Khmer Rouge's plan of deurbanization of Cambodia. Non-authoritarian regimes tend to rely on more sustained social engineering campaigns that create more gradual, but ultimately as far-reaching, change. Examples include the "War on Drugs" in the United States, the increasing reach of intellectual property rights and copyright, and the promotion of elections as a political tool. The campaign for promoting elections, which is by far the most successful of the three examples, has been in place for over two centuries. Social theorists of the Frankfurt School in Weimar Germany like Theodor Adorno had also observed the new phenomenon of mass culture and commented on its new manipulative power, when the rise of the Nazis drove them out of the country around 1930 (many of them became connected with the Institute for Social Research in the United States). The Nazis themselves were no strangers to the idea of influencing political attitudes and re-defining personal relationships. The Nazi propaganda machine under Joseph Goebbels was a synchronized, sophisticated and effective tool for creating public opinion. http://en.wikipedia.org/..._%28political_science%29 A number of techniques which are based on social psychological research are used to generate propaganda. Many of these same techniques can be found under logical fallacies, since propagandists use arguments that, while sometimes convincing, are not necessarily valid. A few examples are: Flag-waving, Glittering generalities, Intentional vagueness, Oversimplification, Rationalization, Red herring, Slogans, Stereotyping, Testimonial, Unstated assumption. In the West, the term propaganda now overlaps with distinct terms like indoctrination (ideological views established by repetition rather than verification) and mass suggestion (broader strategic methods). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda As the 1983 American Heritage Dictionary noted, fascism is: "A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism." (The US dictionary definition has gotten somewhat squishier since then, as all the larger dictionary companies have been bought up by multinational corporations.) Mussolini was quite straightforward about all this. In a 1923 pamphlet titled "The Doctrine of Fascism" he wrote, "If classical liberalism spells individualism, Fascism spells government." But not a government of, by, and for We The People - instead, it would be a government of, by, and for the most powerful corporate interests in the nation. The BANKSTERS control the media.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Matt said on 1/8/2008 @ 2:09 pm PT...





Maybe some people should contact Sibel about Larisa`s work. I think you`ll find she`ll speak about Larisa`s work in glowing terms.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 2:17 pm PT...





"Brad, I did catch the tail end of the I.N.N. World Report Interview with you on Free Speech TV a few minutes ago on this topic, so even though the MSM of this country isn't covering it, at least we have some other independent video newscasts covering it here. I set my PVR to record a later chunk of it today. Good job! " Yes, Brad was great! Ah, I remember when Brad was but a shy, young, upstart lad...fumbling, bumbling, stuttering on the INN Report and Lou Dobbs...what a fine, professional he has become!

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 2:18 pm PT...





How do you get a smiley face on this thing???

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 2:21 pm PT...





Matt: How do you think Sibel will view this CENSORSHIP?: add to that list: Dov Zakheim Key words: 9/11, Sysplan, Comptroller, Zionist Kobi Alexander: Keywords: 9/11, Comverse, warrantless wiretapping, fugitive, cheney, witness protection program Ken Lay: Keywords: Fake California Energy Crisis, Still Alive RESPONSE FROM LARISA ALEXANDROVNA

Okay, can we please keep the Zionist bullshit out of comments at my site. Most of the people named are not Jewish or Zionists. Fascism is not Zionism, although some Zionists have become fascists. The point is, I find it offensive that the term Zionism is being used as though Jews are behind everything. Not specifically your comment, but just what I see all the time now. I am a Jew, my family are Jews. If there was a big ass conspiracy, then why the hell were we not invited to the secret meetings? Do me a favor, respect my wishes and don't post those kind of remarks. Posted by: anonymous | January 07, 2008 at 08:22 AM AND THIS: Larissa said: "I find it offensive that the term Zionism is being used as though Jews are behind everything." Who said that? You said that? Zionism and Judaism are completely unrelated. One is a religion that you practice - and is often misused to define a race of people. Israel is a country, not a religion. A true search for the truth would allow all words to be used in a key word search, no? RESPONSE FROM LARISA ALEXANDROVNA

I know the difference between them. The problem is, that most people don't. The other issue is that you post implied something with regard to Dov Z, Zionism, and 9/11. Do you see his name on the Sibel list? If I misunderstood you, then I apologize. But given the abuse of the term by those seeking to attack Jews, I have grown entirely opposed to using that term and frankly, it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Posted by: anonymous | January 07, 2008 at 08:38 AM

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 1/8/2008 @ 2:47 pm PT...





Out of all of us we don't know one person in government that obeys the oath of office? Seven years ago we had a constitution. Now what of it? That list should be BIGGER, Not smaller or collecting dust. This is not a witch hunt. This is someone who swore an oath saying, "HEY THIS IS ILLEGAL! DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!" It's us saying, "hey I see what you did to the Constitution." When we going to take action? If not now, when?

What is wrong with this country? Even the kids don't get it. This really pisses me off, I am so tired of this crap, this has got to stop. It's got to stop. I want a life back not having to screw with all this crap all the time. I am tired of all the racism and the rest of this bullshit. I am tired of writing these fucking senators for every fucking thing. I am sick of this shit. I am sick of this corruption being awarded instead of punished. I am sick of state secrets being used to hide FUCKING TREASON! I'll cut this short cause I am ready to pop a fucking vein.

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 1/8/2008 @ 3:10 pm PT...





How do you get a smiley face on this thing??? BD, you have to give them a nose on Wordpress. : - ) [take the spaces out]

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 1/8/2008 @ 3:13 pm PT...





Phil, #26: I am SO with you on that one! We all get to freak about about this, compare reportage, have cows, scratch each other's eyes out, and IT'S NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM/S!

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 1/8/2008 @ 3:34 pm PT...





Plunger said: Beware the hidden agendas of those who doth protest too much. Yes, and beware the hidden agendas of those who use the word "Zionist" too much. On that point, without a doubt, Larisa is spot on the money. Period. If you don't understand that, it's because you don't wish to, Plunger.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 4:18 pm PT...





Of course Brad, by all means, let's all eliminate the word Zionism from our vocabulary as Larissa demands. That will solve everything and lead straight to the truth. Her attack was completely disproportionate, and exceptionally revealing. 1984 has arrived. FYI: Dov Zakheim was the Comptroller under Rumsfeld when trillions of dollars went missing. A key word search for "Dov Zakheim" + Zionist returns 9,100 results. You think trillions of dollars has nothing to do with this conspiracy? Over half of the people on Sibel's list could be defined as such in some form - regardless of religious affiliation. I focus on it because the MSM refuses to - and unlike many, I actually want to know the ENTIRE truth. Remember free speech?

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 4:24 pm PT...





Get the popcorn out! :-) {Ed Note: I think the Smilie Gods like to poke fun at us... and they don't like too many spaces between the text and the smilies.... So I always try to make sure the smilie is on the same line as what I wrote.... --99}

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 4:26 pm PT...





I give up...I schteenk vit ze zmileys...

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Pat #1 said on 1/8/2008 @ 4:48 pm PT...





...lemme try...

:)

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Pat #1 said on 1/8/2008 @ 4:50 pm PT...





aarrrrggg!





COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 5:24 pm PT...





Larissa added Kissinger to Sibel's list, with the following justification: "On Kissinger, he does relate from his involvement with funding and supplying the extremists in Turkey (who are still there by the way). You cannot start this story at the birth of Sibel and end it with the photo gallery. Her allegations require context to fully understand." Dov Zakheim was added to the list, defining him accurately as a Zionist, as he defines himself, based on his upbringing. Study the Wikipedia PNAC page and cross-reference it to Sibel's list, then tell me why we should ignore Dov Zakheim. http://en.wikipedia.org/...the_New_American_Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Zakheim EXPAND THE LIST.

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Pope John Paul said on 1/8/2008 @ 6:33 pm PT...





Funny. There's even a black out at daily kos on this story. In fact, yesterday someone diaried about this, and the diary made the front page and was accumulating many comments. I checked back five minutes later and the diary had mysteriously been pulled . . . not only from the front page, but also from the list of "recent diaries." I was wondering who made the decision on Kos to pull the diary and WHY it was made. Such actions go along way toward cementing my perception that that site has been wholly co-opted by the Demcoratic Party/ruling class establishment.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/8/2008 @ 6:46 pm PT...





Kos has been notorious for censorship. Look for those who would keep you from learning the entire truth. Know their true alliances. Politics can NEVER come before truth.

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 7:43 pm PT...





Pope: That's why I don't even link to "kos". And I never go there.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 7:44 pm PT...





Plus, their website stinks! Seriously! Am I the only one who thinks they have a really bad layout???

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 1/8/2008 @ 7:44 pm PT...





And the smileys...I'VE HAD IT WITH THE SMILEYS! GODDAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/8/2008 @ 10:49 pm PT...





To Ms. Larisa Alexandrovna, i would personally like to thank you for your investigative reporting and work at Rawstory.com. If this post is the bit least effective, i will calm the tensions seething off some of these personal attacks on your work. As an artist i have the ability to step back, look at things from different angles and see different colors. i understand how it could be emotionally upsetting to pour your life blood into your work because you are driven for the truth only to receive harsh critisms from people who do not fully understand all the facts at hand. The efforts and conviction required to get leads, check facts, and properly investigate a story to accurately get the truth out is how a reporter earns their integrity. The stakes are higher on this one. The use of racism and stereotypes to incorporate someone's hatred of a race and attribute it to defining the facts of a situation is how many humans think. i am not trying to explain life to you because you are sharp as shit. All i am trying to do here is pass on a little information in light of the fact that you have made outstanding contributions in a modern media world devoid of journalistic integrity. Please do not give up now. Fcking racists that only know how to hate is how they get on. This story is big. It's the story that can imprison the treasonous bush/cheney government and their accomplices. You stated your reasons for your revised list so ignore redudant critism and thicken your skin a little because we need people like you. The focus needs to be on taking these corrupt lying bastards down and saving our country. The manipulative people in the bush/cheney crime family are men, women, black, white, hebrew, democrat, republican and ALL are supported by the U.S. corporate mass media. All are care-less lying 1%er criminals that have done immeasurable damage and need to be removed from power immediately. Help us continue to fight against these despicable parasites that thrive on the backs of all Americans. i speak for many when i say take a deep breath and

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/9/2008 @ 1:33 am PT...





Make no mistake, greedy treasonous murderers have hijacked our country and terrorized our people to increase their powers and wealth. i intend to use my power to help steal it back. These corrupt losers Ms. Edmunds named are involved with selling nuclear weapon secrets to terrorists and foreign countries. A clinton crime family victory on electronic computer voting equipement especially diebold counted by a voting company that has the ability to change votes in secrecy is extended play of the bush/cheney theft and an unsatisfactory outcome for the United States.

GBD

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 1/9/2008 @ 4:33 am PT...





GBD: There is no evidence of "racism" on this thread. Choose your words more carefully. McCain/Lieberman is no less dangerous in the White House than the Clinton regime, particularly with Lieberman occupying what has become the most powerful office in the world, that of Vice President. David Rockefeller and his co-conspirators will be pleased with either outcome. Why is David Rockefeller not on the list?

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... rossini said on 1/9/2008 @ 5:54 am PT...





covered by at least two websites in Germany, in German language. Same with Italy, in Italian language. Use google news search, leave the search field blank, and change the country "go" selection to view the results in the various countries. The news it making the rounds, without US MSM. Ha ! So there.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Shawn said on 1/9/2008 @ 8:01 am PT...





Please don't confuse the American media with Americans. The US media is a joke and should not automatically be equated with the citizenry. Yes, there are questionable parts of the citizenry else Fox News wouldn't still be in business, but most everyone I know doesn't put much creedence in the mainstream US media.

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... JW said on 1/9/2008 @ 8:04 am PT...





The Sibel story is categorical proof, if anyone ever needed it, of rampant corruption within the US media industry. The fact the story has been covered all over the world including Pakistan and Israel, when not one US network will touch it, is reprehensible. This issue is absolutely vital to the national interest and there is no possible explanation for not printing it other than widespread corruption. The people who work within the industry should be ashamed of themselves.

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... JW said on 1/9/2008 @ 8:12 am PT...





Aside from her allegations against senior figures within our government, the Sibel story is categorical proof, if anyone ever needed it, of rampant corruption within the US media industry. The fact the story has been covered all over the world including Pakistan and Israel, when not one US network will touch it, is reprehensible. There is no doubt whatsoever that this issue is absolutely vital to the national interest and there is no possible explanation for not printing it other than widespread corruption. The people who work within the industry should be ashamed of themselves.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... JW said on 1/9/2008 @ 8:28 am PT...





Open letter to the news networks of America; To the news networks of America and the citizens of the United States who work for them. Jan 2008 Dear Sirs, I recently read a front page article in the respected London Sunday Times entitled, “For sale:-West’s deadly nuclear secrets.” dated January 6th 2008. The information contained therein is shocking and has grave implications for the security and future of our nation. The article tells of a US citizen and former FBI employee who is in possession of hard evidence proving high level treachery involving senior officials within our own government. The Sunday Times reports that Sibel Edmonds, who worked for the FBI as a language translator and was fired after repeatedly attempting to bring these issues to the attention of her superiors, alleges specifically:- 1- That high level officials some of whom are still in office, in the State department, the Pentagon and the Nuclear weapons establishment, conspired to provide foreign governments with highly classified information including US Nuclear weapons technology, some of which may now be in the hands of America’s enemies including incredulously, Al-Quaida. 2- That senior figures within our own government had prior knowledge of the terrorist attacks of September 11th 2001. 3- That high level individuals within the current US administration have been actively working to block investigation into these issues and to protect those guilty of treason. Given the obvious serious nature of these issues, I find it incredulous that not a single US news network has to date covered or even attempted to investigate this story. This brave woman and patriot, has risked her own career and personal safety to tell of these crimes that are still ongoing, and has repeatedly approached US networks to cover the story only to be ignored and forced to tell her story outside the United States. This serves to demonstrate the shocking dishonesty of the US media as a whole, and questions by extension the professionalism, patriotism, and integrity of those individuals who work within it. One of the most essential elements of any democracy is a free press, one that is free from governmental control and represents the true interests of its people, the fact US networks are not covering this story highlights a high level of corruption within the media which is directly undermining democracy, and compromising the security of our great nation. I call on every single American in the media industry in the United States, whether you are owners, editors, media personalities, news anchors, managers, journalists, reporters, cooks and bottle washers included, to think very carefully about these issues and your actions, and that of the industry you work for. For to look the other way when our nation is being threatened as it clearly is, is not in the American tradition and is the action not of a patriot, but that of a coward and a traitor,. I know it will not be easy for you and I hope at least some of you will do the right thing and stand up to the forces that threaten our country as countless brave Americans like Ms Edmonds have done throughout our history. You alone have the power to expose these crimes and this you must do. To fail in your duty is to fail the American people and be guilty by association of treason, this consequently, has dire implications for the future of America and for that of the whole world.

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... ME said on 1/9/2008 @ 9:29 am PT...



COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Tim said on 1/9/2008 @ 9:47 am PT...





If these high up officials in gov. were talking over the phones about what they were doing then they must have either thought that no way will I be touched or they were idiots. Why? Because certainly they must have been aware that NSA, FBI, and the other snoopers have the means to listen to nearly any conversation if they target you. Any opinions?

COMMENT #51 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 1/9/2008 @ 9:52 am PT...





I'm sorry to see people in search of the truth fighting about who's list includes/excludes people for the wrong reasons. Its clearly stated by L why she didn't include Lantos Plunger, and why the zionist thing tends to get in the way of people taking the reporting seriously. Sure lukids and zionist do have their agenda, but painting the whole thing on their backs doesn't come close to the scope of this whole picture.

Anyway, here is another article that at a quick skim seems to show more corraborating evidence for Sibel and Larrisa, including connecting cheney in some ways:

http://www.democracynow...._reporter_andrew_levy_on

COMMENT #52 [Permalink]

... ira said on 1/9/2008 @ 2:21 pm PT...





Hey all. I am a novice when it comes to activism but after reading these kinds of stories for the last few years I am literally getting sick to my stomach, anxious about what is in store for us Americans. The least you can do is write a letter to Conyers or your congressman. i include the letter i just sent to him as an example. while by no means eloquent, it should be enough.

please consider writing. his email address is:

John.Conyers@mail.house.gov Good luck. "Dear Congressman,

I am writing to you to implore you to finally open hearings into the case of

Sibel Edmonds. I am sure you remember this name since the public has been requesting hearings into

her case for the past 5 years. In case you have forgotten, she is the FBI translator who, after 9/11, came forward with information about corruption within the government and outright obstruction of investigations into the perpetrators of 9/11.

She is now under a ridiculous 'gag order' for 'state secrets'; this, for information that she already gave to the congress in prior 9/11 hearings.

She is now speaking out and claiming that certain higher ups in the Defense Department and other departments have essentially been blackmailing some employees as well as possibly some members of congress to keep them from investigating this further.

In the name of protecting the values that America stands for I believe it is important for her information to be heard and acted on, even if that means criminal charges for some present members of congress or the administration.

This Youtube link might refresh your memory if the case does not sound familiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjxmIfkG-3c As a second issue, I am sure you are aware of Congressman Wexler's attempts to bring impeachment charges against Vice President Cheney (at least). While Nancy Pelosi might think this should be 'off the table,' I can assure you, there are a myriad of citizens who do not agree. The mere suggestion that those in the administration might have acted in ways incompatible with our constitution requires and investigation. I believe the many actions of this administration would be enough to warrant proceedings. Not having impeachment hearings for some sort of political expediency is a slap in the face to the constitution and to the American people. Whatever a few Congressmen might be being blackmailed with is nothing compared to the fundamental disregard for the law of the land spelled out in the Constitution.

I thank you for reading this and ask that you please act quickly. Respectfully, Concerned Citizen. "

______________________

COMMENT #53 [Permalink]

... JW said on 1/9/2008 @ 7:47 pm PT...





Failure to Cover Vital Issues Highlights Widespread US Media Corruption. By JWTruther

Jan 9th 2008 If there is anything positive to come out of the failure (up to now) of US media networks to cover the Sibel Edmonds story, it is that the issue has been a ‘litmus test’ and has highlighted what some of us have known for a long time, that the mainstream media news networks of North America are wholly and absolutely corrupt. Of this there can now be not one shred of doubt, the story first printed in the London Sunday Times, of ongoing high level treachery within the United States government, has been covered all across the globe including in Pakistan and Israel, almost everywhere it seems apart from where it’s most important, where this clearly ‘infected’ government actually governs, in the United States itself. This is unarguable proof, if anyone needed it, that the MSM is not working in the public interest, in fact it is in reality actively working against it. It is deliberately preventing vital information regarding the security of the nation from reaching the American people, and preventing criminal activity within our own government from being exposed. No matter which side of the political divide one falls, this fact can no longer be questioned. Evidently then, the MSM can no longer be relied upon for impartial reporting and this example may lead to more and more people discovering this. The Sibel Edmonds story has shown us the extent to which the government can control the MSM and prevent them from telling the truth regarding it's crimes. Is also raises the obvious question, what else aren’t they telling us? One group of activists have been consistently warning of government sponsored crimes being covered up by the MSM for several years. They have been criticized and dismissed by the MSM as among other things “Dangerous, crazy conspiracy theorists” and even “Holocaust denying terrorists” . The 9/11 truth movement is a growing global community of ordinary people from all walks of life, who believe the US government aided by a compliant media is hiding the truth about the attacks of September 11th 2001, and that up to now, there has been no credible investigation of these events. They have long complained of unfair representation in the press and in light of these revelations, may now be entitled to feel some vindication. Although the issues are related, and this may become more apparent later on, the message they carry may be even more potentially catastrophic to certain senior figures within the government than that of Ms Edmonds. In light of these facts, clearly it’s time to take another look at 9/11 truth.

COMMENT #54 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 1/9/2008 @ 8:53 pm PT...





Here's another article on Sibel that traces even further back amurkas rot. http://www.chris-floyd.c...nd_the_Way_of_the_World/ Then check out what commentor leveymg has to say, completing the circle on just how we got here.

COMMENT #55 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 1/9/2008 @ 9:55 pm PT...





OT

Here's good news for all of us sick of MSM's cozy relationship with the administration:

http://emptywheel.firedo...n-rather-gets-discovery/

Go Dan Rather!

COMMENT #56 [Permalink]

... Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 1/10/2008 @ 12:26 am PT...





Today i spoke to an intern named Brian to give the word up to Mr. Conyers jr. at his DC office it case it hadn't gotten through. Basically i told him about the Sebil Edmond's story reported overseas and the defening silence by our corporate 1%er controlled mass media. He said a few people had called. After giving him the cliff notes version since he didn't seem to know what it was about, i told him that it is of the utmost importance for John Conyers jr to look into it and go to B blog and contact Brad asap.

COMMENT #57 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 1/10/2008 @ 4:27 am PT...





Jw, I'd be happy to AIR something on my (non-corporate) tv show that gives people information clearly, but doesn't actually have "a call to arms." (That's the rules) But I for the life of me can't figure out what the fuck to do. I got like a one hour show (56 Minutes), it's based on MUSIC and ART. You want me to put something in there, fine tell me exactly what. I will be happy to air that motherfucker. (This is open ended to any and all EI and Pro-Constitutional people out there!!!) Send me your stuff, or lets do an interview or whatever. I ain't no fucking journalist I am one person that does a lot of shit and know right from wrong in my heart. I hate corporate media, and their for profit, not in the public interest bullshit, they don't DESERVE their fucking frequencies, they should have to do it by a lottery--just like I do.

COMMENT #58 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 1/10/2008 @ 4:36 am PT...





Also, I'd like to keep the whole thing down to like a "music video's type" of time e.g. 4 minutes max, but I can easily break that rule if it's good stuff. Otherwise I don't really know what I am doing here anymore. I can lurk, sandbag and write angry letters to the senate but that ain't doing shit now is it? So far to date, NOBODY has took me up. I would loved to run something about electronic vote counting devices, but at best I had to make things up from scratch. Also, it has to be broadcast quality, not this YouTube Crap. We're talking MiniDV quality at least.

COMMENT #59 [Permalink]

... GrannyBgood said on 1/10/2008 @ 7:19 am PT...





EXCUSE ME!... but let's not let the Zionist Israelis off the hook here so easily!

WHY indeed has this story been buried here in the US?

WHO owns most of our Big Media (Not to mention our Telecommunications infrastructure..while you're talking snooping!? )? HUH?

A POX on your precious Sacred Pig!

Go google Arnon Milken sometime, Larissa!

COMMENT #60 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 1/10/2008 @ 9:14 am PT...





Hey GrannyBGood, try googling cia safari club, and then try to tell me all of those interests are zionists. Human nature is human nature no matter what label you slap on it.

COMMENT #61 [Permalink]

... WebNutMark said on 1/10/2008 @ 10:42 am PT...





Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that this story, which could be the one of the most important news stories so far this century, has already become unimportant compared to discussions about voting irregularities in New Hampshire? Even here at Brad Blog, while it may be stickied on the front page, it follows 6 other stickied articles about New Hampshire. Maybe it's all a coincidence, but it sure is convenient that all eyes are now on New Hampshire and this story is for all intents and purposes already over with.

COMMENT #62 [Permalink]

... Jack said on 1/10/2008 @ 8:49 pm PT...





Unfortunately, neither the corporately controlled media nor the government will ever expose the Sibel Edmonds story to the American people. We are being governed by Corporate-Terrorists and their puppets.

COMMENT #63 [Permalink]

... Matt said on 1/11/2008 @ 1:25 pm PT...





I`ve just checked WebNutMark`s comments from the 8th. Hear, hear WebNutMark. You put it better than I could.

COMMENT #64 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 1/17/2008 @ 6:04 am PT...





UPDATE A new bombshell story totally supports Sibel:

A former [republican] congressman and delegate to the United Nations was indicted Wednesday as part of a terrorist fundraising ring that allegedly sent more than $130,000 to an al-Qaida and Taliban supporter who has threatened U.S. and international troops in Afghanistan. (The Al Qaida Wing of The GOP).

COMMENT #65 [Permalink]

... Gary Williams said on 1/17/2008 @ 8:06 pm PT...

