shadowsora94:

jeancrocker: shadowsora94: jeancrocker: I’m absolutely sick of people drawing Steven and Frisk with “Down With Cis” shirts. These two are the last people to wear those shirts. “Down With Cis” isn’t funny or cute or whatever. As a trans person, it disgusts me. It doesn’t matter that it started out as a joke. People are taking it seriously. Cis people aren’t any sort of enemy. Transphobes are. Spread love, everybody. this is the worst thing to ever come on my dash i hate tracked search so much anyways op, you are aware all those transphobes are cis, right? and you know WHY down with cis became a meme, right? as in, it was literally a transphobic bullshit story meant to demonize people like us in order to make transphobes feel good about themselves we turned into a meme instead of letting it hurt us? “cis ppl arent bad its the translhobes uvu” its not thst we dont understand whst yoire saying, but you do know thst oretty much every single transphobe, rscist, etc irl used this exact logic to protect themselves right It’s the whole “All squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares” deal. There are cis people who are transphobic, but not all of them. Why demonize a whole group (a whole group which is the majority of the human population, mind you), and go about spreading hate? My point is, fight the real enemy. There’s absolutely no point to go about spreading negativity and hate. You’re just adding fuel to the fire with saying that it’s okay to go about doing this. And if you pull the “B-But trans people are dying and cis people only get their feelings hurt!” I’d like to mention that yes, transphobia is much worse, but that is absolutely no excuse for anyone to be a dick to anyone else. Don’t use tragedies and deaths as an excuse to be an asshole to people over the internet. Stop being a complete dick. That’s my point with this post. Stop drawing loving and caring characters saying hateful messages. Nothing good will come about if you keep spreading hate. ok now im really pissed off but i still want to take the time to ecplain to you why i disagree, and you’re 15 and you seem well intentioned and i can respect that much so i really dont want to just scream at you like an asshole this reply is just a reminder for myself since the last thing i’m gonna do is write a bigass response on mobile

@jeancrocker your entire response to @shadowsora94, as well intentioned as it is, is a threat to other trans people. “you’re just adding fuel to the fire with saying that it’s okay to go about doing this” - you’re flat out saying (multiple times) that if we’re not super squeaky clean nice to cis people, we’re essentially going to get what’s coming to us. you’re blaming trans people for the way cis people treat them, and that’s not cool of you friend. because the simple fact is that, no matter how nice we are to cis people, that doesn’t stop them from harming us. that’s a fact of history. look at what oppressive majorities have done to nice protesters and whatnot throughout history. look at the fact that trans women can just simply be existing, and get murdered walking home. look at how trans kids can often be put out by their cis relatives, simply for being trans. being nice as nothing to do with how we’re treated, and honestly if having to take something that was used to be hateful and harmful to us and turning it into a silly meme is something that would make cis people hate us more, that’s kind of ridiculous on their part, not ours.

i understand that you don’t want people to be “hateful” towards anyone because hate isn’t a good thing on any side, but it’s a false equivalency to act like our “hate” here (which is just a meme in this case) is justifiable to the hate cis people throw back at us, which has actual real-world ramifications. and i understand you’re all “don’t use the murders of your trans siblings to be a dick bc being a dick isn’t cool” but honestly???? how can people not be mad about that??? how do you expect people to still be nice???? when they’re literally murdering us??? and even outside of that, the whole “down with cis” meme was reclaimed by us bc it was something used to dehumanize us and make cis people even MORE mad at us for something we never actually did; who wouldn’t be mad or wanna fight back when people are literally lying about you just to keep demonizing you to their peers when those lies have real life ramifications???? all of that frustration you see, all of these “dick-ish” posts you see saying “down with cis”, are trans people reclaiming something hurtful and venting their feelings about cis oppressors. they’re reactions to the pain they feel because of something cis people did first. and in this case, something one cis person did first that tons of other cis people toted as their “this is why trans ppl need to be stopped” flag.

so honestly, it’s fine if you feel like trans people should be nicer to the precious cis overlords, but you should also kinda not speak over upset trans people and maybe let them vent and find themselves in characters they connect with. because, on top of everything else, drawing characters wearing “down with cis” shirts is drawing them as FOR trans people and AGAINST transphobia, which is again, the origin of the saying. whether you dig that or not. and trying to stifle that connection is ya know. you being a dick.