Jeremy K. wrote:

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Marnen Laibow-Koser

[email protected] wrote: This should help clear things up: http://bit.ly/diXfGx Oh, that was classy from a member of the core team. Â Not. That attitude could get me (and probably a lot of others) to quit using

Rails. Â And I’m a Rabid Rails Fanboy [TM]. An attitude of entitlement just rubs everyone wrong and doesn’t move

the project forward.

What attitude of entitlement? I don’t think I have one here. What I

do have, however, is an expectation that once a release estimate is

made, either a release or a revised estimate should follow, not 6 weeks

of silence. Is that unreasonable?

Your annoyance is understandable but, alone, it

is not constructive.

Neither is your silence. And your insults certainly aren’t. Your

latest message is, for which I thank you.

Ultimately, your message is spot-on. It has been a while and many are

on pins and needles waiting for a non-beta gem to munch on. Real soon

now.

I’m not so much impatient waiting for a release. Rather, I just think

better communication would be helpful. I’m already sold on Rails – I

really, really love it. However, if I were sitting on the fence right

now – say, switching from PHP or Java, and evaluating Ruby, Rails,

Sinatra, Python, Django, $RAILS_COMPETITOR… – I’d think twice about

adopting a technology that has this sort of support from its core team.

In other words, I don’t fundamentally care that much whether Rails 3 is

released in August or December. I just think that whatever is decided,

it should be better communicated.

We, too, are pretty annoyed that the release candidate has dragged on,

but we want a candidate we’d feel comfortable deploying to production

with our own apps.

I appreciate that. Again, the time is not the problem. The lack of

communication is.

Thankfully, we’ve had tons of people testing the

betas and bringing the polish up to release quality. That means a

short RC cycle. Check out http://github.com/rails/rails/compare/v3.0.0.beta4...master

for a sense of the work that has been going into this. This release is

going to rock.

Who cares how much it rocks if it never sees the light of day?

jeremy

Best,

Marnen Laibow-Koser

http://www.marnen.org

[email protected]