Dumaine

join:2010-12-05

Detroit, MI Dumaine Member Least some people are happy!! As we still sit here in Detroit waiting on Docsis 3.0. I guess we may never be upgraded!!



heat84

Bit Torrent Apologist

join:2004-03-11

Fort Lauderdale, FL heat84 Member Re: Least some people are happy!! said by Corehhi: said by Dumaine: As we still sit here in Detroit waiting on Docsis 3.0. I guess we may never be upgraded!!



»www.wilx.com/news/headli ··· 002.html

Think you'll have a long wait, isn't the plan in Detroit to level 40 square miles of it??? I can't picture a company that gung ho to spend new money. No offense. Yeah. Why should Comcast upgrade infrastructure that might not be used much longer. Although upgrading a few pieces of equipment isn't that big of a deal. Its not like running new plant all through the neighborhood is part of the upgrade.



GlobalMind

Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy

Premium Member

join:2001-10-29

Indianapolis, IN GlobalMind Premium Member Should be interesting The existing STB especially the DVR portion is woefully behind offerings from other vendors, and honestly doesn't even match up to what TiVo had years ago.



Looking forward to seeing these in the wild.



PGHammer

join:2003-06-09

Accokeek, MD PGHammer Member Re: Should be interesting Then why is it that Comcast's own JV with TiVo gone underground (if not underwater)? The linchpin of TiVo is the service itself (the backend, if you will) not the UI, and the backend costs how much additional monthly? Also, Pace doesn't make a *bad* STB (the RNG110, which Comcast deploys in the Beltway Region and quite a few others, is far better than the DCT-6xxx it effectively replaces as the low-end HD STB) and, despite the complaints about iGuide, it's not bad compared to non-TiVo UIs (especially those from D* or E*) or the UI on VZ's FIOS STBs (those fancy high-end UIs are on the high-end STBs, which most subs don't have many of - they are NOT on every STB that FIOS deploys).



GlobalMind

Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy

Premium Member

join:2001-10-29

Indianapolis, IN GlobalMind Premium Member Re: Should be interesting Well I only have experience with the DCT box. The Tivo service...really not a lot more than the channel guide and a few other things they added later are gradually being added to DVRs by Comcast, AT&T and others.



And that...is the UI predominantly along with those other service features. The DCT boxes do not perform nor operate as nicely as the Tivo did. Not even close.



And don't get me started on the confusing set of navigation that's part of OnDemand.



It is all a matter of what you have used.

Bill_F

join:2010-02-09

Huntsville, AL Bill_F Member Speed Teirs Anyone have any idea of what the new speed tiers might be?

When I get around to it I'm going to call up again to change to business class. (since they stupidly canceled my order last time...)



Chris 313

Because It's Geekier

Premium Member

join:2004-07-18

Houma, LA ·Comcast XFINITY

Chris 313 Premium Member Re: Speed Teirs said by Bill_F: Anyone have any idea of what the new speed tiers might be?

When I get around to it I'm going to call up again to change to business class. (since they stupidly canceled my order last time...)

There were rumors of a 250 speed getting ready to be announced. That would be a most likely senario.



sherman06810

join:2000-10-15

Danbury, CT sherman06810 Member Re: Speed Teirs I hope this means they bump up the bottom tiers. I'm about to downgrade from 22/5 to the minimum (currently 12/2) to save some overhead as I'm moving my servers to colo. Maybe they'll even drop the price on static IPs

saratoga66

join:2002-08-22

Saratoga, CA saratoga66 to Chris 313

Member to Chris 313

said by Chris 313: said by Bill_F: Anyone have any idea of what the new speed tiers might be?

When I get around to it I'm going to call up again to change to business class. (since they stupidly canceled my order last time...)



There were rumors of a 250 speed getting ready to be announced. That would be a most likely scenario. I doubt that we will see higher downloads for a while. 250M would require 8 downstream channels. I don't think there are 4 additional channels unused and available in most markets



Chris 313

Because It's Geekier

Premium Member

join:2004-07-18

Houma, LA ·Comcast XFINITY

Chris 313 Premium Member Re: Speed Teirs said by saratoga66: said by Chris 313: said by Bill_F: Anyone have any idea of what the new speed tiers might be?

When I get around to it I'm going to call up again to change to business class. (since they stupidly canceled my order last time...)



There were rumors of a 250 speed getting ready to be announced. That would be a most likely scenario.

I doubt that we will see higher downloads for a while. 250M would require 8 downstream channels. I don't think there are 4 additional channels unused and available in most markets



Seeing the recent development of the fact they'll be testing out a 1 Gig connection tomorrow, I'd agree with you. We won't be seeing that for at least another 3-5 years. Nice to drool over though. And yeah, a 250 tier would need 8 channels, I agree with you there, too. I'd say it'd pop up in there Twin City test market first while Comcast got every one else ready.



Comcast has been known to pull stuff out their hat before, why not this too? We'll see, but I'm betting around late 2011 into 2012 we will start seeing things. Why would a 250 tier been "rumored" months ago if they had absolutely no intention of unveiling anything faster anytime soon?Seeing the recent development of the fact they'll be testing out a 1 Gig connection tomorrow, I'd agree with you. We won't be seeing that for at least another 3-5 years. Nice to drool over though. And yeah, a 250 tier would need 8 channels, I agree with you there, too. I'd say it'd pop up in there Twin City test market first while Comcast got every one else ready.Comcast has been known to pull stuff out their hat before, why not this too?



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Cap increase? Hopefully these increases in speed will be met with an increase in capacity.



Otherwise its really kind of pointless.

Andy S

join:2009-05-14

Stockbridge, GA 1 recommendation Andy S Member Re: Cap increase? Pointless? Doubtful If I can get the 20 GB file to my SAN in 2 hours instead of 5 I don't call that pointless with a 250GB limit. I didn't increased the AMOUNT of data that needs to be moved weekly but guess what I did just open up a 2+ hour window where my line isn't saturated with a file transfer. Which in my world provides a significant POINT. It's like saying the drive thru window is pointless because my car can't hold 2K lbs of burgers even though I get my food 2 times faster.

WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04

Sugar Land, TX WernerSchutz Member Re: Cap increase? said by Andy S: Pointless? Doubtful If I can get the 20 GB file to my SAN in 2 hours instead of 5 I don't call that pointless with a 250GB limit. I didn't increased the AMOUNT of data that needs to be moved weekly but guess what I did just open up a 2+ hour window where my line isn't saturated with a file transfer. Which in my world provides a significant POINT. It's like saying the drive thru window is pointless because my car can't hold 2K lbs of burgers even though I get my food 2 times faster.





"Come buy your food here !!!!!!" *



* 2 bags only Some of us mostly go shopping at stores and do not eat only junk food. The "drive through" model is not the basis here, but the fact that what is heavily advertised is quiet about severe limitations of what it can be used for."Come buy your food here !!!!!!" ** 2 bags only



DataRiker

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join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker to Andy S

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Andy that is an absolutely horrible analogy.



Most http transfers top out at around 12 Mbit/s sustained. ( vast majority are really less, and a few a lot more )



Torrents can saturate your pipe, but your also uploading so your really chipping away at your CAP.



**IF** you occasionally download large files, and **IF** you find a server that will scale up to 20+ megs then you would benefit.

Andy S

join:2009-05-14

Stockbridge, GA Andy S Member Re: Cap increase? said by DataRiker: Andy that is an absolutely horrible analogy.



Most http transfers top out at around 12 Mbit/s sustained. ( vast majority are really less, and a few a lot more )



Torrents can saturate your pipe, but your also uploading so your really chipping away at your CAP.



**IF** you occasionally download large files, and **IF** you find a server that will scale up to 20+ megs then you would benefit.





Here is another one for you then. Increasing the speed on a dump truck is pointless because you didn't increase the size of the dump bed in the back. Sorry but if I can travel 70mph instead of 45mph it might only cost me 1 hour of truck time instead of almost 2 to do the same job. Sorry but the Analogy was spot on and I never said anything about http transfers. The speed at which something is done or completed is not a POINTLESS upgrade EVEN if the amount allowed DOES NOT change. If time is money and the speed increase saves me time then it also saves me money.Here is another one for you then. Increasing the speed on a dump truck is pointless because you didn't increase the size of the dump bed in the back. Sorry but if I can travel 70mph instead of 45mph it might only cost me 1 hour of truck time instead of almost 2 to do the same job.



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: Cap increase? Another analogy when in real life your still going to get served at sub 20 mbit/s speeds.



Somebody is falling for the marketing.

Andy S

join:2009-05-14

Stockbridge, GA Andy S Member Re: Cap increase? but with the new tiers of FTTH and more and more 100MB symetrical plans showing up in places like Chattanooga, Tn if I house an offsite storage of 200GB of VM's that use dedupe and I only transfer about 50GB a month of deduped data but I need it done in a certain window of time. Then speed will help me and volume has no relevance. Also I don't torrent.



My point is that a speed increase is NOT pointless. Which was the OP's premise if you didn't get a cap increase. So your contention is that my speed increase is POTENTIAL and not quaranteed but without the speed increase I don't even have the potential.







DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 4 edits DataRiker Premium Member Re: Cap increase? For the vast majority it is completely and utterly pointless.



They simply allow you to reach your cap faster.



For me the diminishing marginal gains of the higher speeds are not really of any usable value to me without the capacity or ability to put it to use.

WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04

Sugar Land, TX WernerSchutz to Andy S

Member to Andy S

said by Andy S: said by DataRiker: Andy that is an absolutely horrible analogy.



Most http transfers top out at around 12 Mbit/s sustained. ( vast majority are really less, and a few a lot more )



Torrents can saturate your pipe, but your also uploading so your really chipping away at your CAP.



**IF** you occasionally download large files, and **IF** you find a server that will scale up to 20+ megs then you would benefit.





Here is another one for you then. Increasing the speed on a dump truck is pointless because you didn't increase the size of the dump bed in the back. Sorry but if I can travel 70mph instead of 45mph it might only cost me 1 hour of truck time instead of almost 2 to do the same job.

Sorry but the Analogy was spot on and I never said anything about http transfers. The speed at which something is done or completed is not a POINTLESS upgrade EVEN if the amount allowed DOES NOT change. If time is money and the speed increase saves me time then it also saves me money.Here is another one for you then. Increasing the speed on a dump truck is pointless because you didn't increase the size of the dump bed in the back. Sorry but if I can travel 70mph instead of 45mph it might only cost me 1 hour of truck time instead of almost 2 to do the same job.



Carrying meaningful loads on a motorcycle or rabbit is not working well, in general. In my opinion, given the data cap size vs. speed, CC cannot be compared to a dump truck, but to a motorcycle, or as they like in their commercials, a rabbit.Carrying meaningful loads on a motorcycle or rabbit is not working well, in general.

RyC

join:2007-08-18

San Luis Obispo, CA RyC to DataRiker

Member to DataRiker

It looks like this tier will be for business customers, and they don't have the 250 gig cap. The 100 Mbps residential service on the other hand...



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: Cap increase? said by RyC: It looks like this tier will be for business customers, and they don't have the 250 gig cap. The 100 Mbps residential service on the other hand...





I was referring to the faster residential speeds, which are being rolled out as of today. The article has been slightly modified since this morning.I was referring to the faster residential speeds, which are being rolled out as of today.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29

Eustis, FL Mr Matt Member Where is the camera? Where is the camera? I am sure the weasels that developed the new set top arranged the camera so that if you block its opening you also disable the remote control sensor. Remember Comcast will be watching. Where is the camera? I am sure the weasels that developed the new set top arranged the camera so that if you block its opening you also disable the remote control sensor. Remember Comcast will be watching.



N3OGH

Yo Soy Col. "Bat" Guano

Premium Member

join:2003-11-11

Philly burbs N3OGH Premium Member Re: Where is the camera? Hopefully, Comcast isn't getting into the "ceiling cat" business...



Corehhi

join:2002-01-28

Bluffton, SC Corehhi to Mr Matt

Member to Mr Matt

said by Mr Matt: Where is the camera? I am sure the weasels that developed the new set top arranged the camera so that if you block its opening you also disable the remote control sensor. Remember Comcast will be watching.

Gives the employees something to watch when people order a pay for view porn.



AnonNM

@citicorp.com AnonNM Anon you suck commiecast hey commiecast lets finish the docsis 3 roll out first.... jerks

mikemacman

join:2004-05-29

Saint Paul, MN mikemacman Member Bandwidth caps This is useless marketing crap. Comcast keeps increasing speeds but keeps their bandwidth cap the same. Pretty soon you'll be able to hit your monthly cap in 3 seconds. I wish someone would deploy fiber to my home :-(

apple4ever

join:2002-06-16

Coatesville, PA apple4ever Member Re: Bandwidth caps I doubt that. People rarely use more data as speeds increase. Its such a tired and illogical argument. And fiber isn't going to change that fact.



DataRiker

Premium Member

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00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: Bandwidth caps said by apple4ever: I doubt that. People rarely use more data as speeds increase. Its such a tired and illogical argument. And fiber isn't going to change that fact.





Can you elaborate on why this is illogical?



My usage with my 20 meg cable is certainly more than my 1.5 dsl 5 years ago. I don't see how its illogical since streaming clips, movies, OS updates, and games keep getting bigger.Can you elaborate on why this is illogical?My usage with my 20 meg cable is certainly more than my 1.5 dsl 5 years ago.

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06 Wilsdom to apple4ever

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I agree, if by "rarely" you mean 99% of the time. Netflix will automatically increase bit-rate based on your line. And so will torrent applications.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member 100M symmetric would be fun I wonder what Comcast is going to charge for the 100M symmetric connection. Put into perspective, their $380ish 100/10 tier is reasonable enough, but I have a feeling that either 100M up won't be out for awhile or it will cost $1000 per month. Granted, $1k per month isn't bad for that much bandwidth, considering that's about what you'll pay for 10 Mbps via EoC from a telco, but still, rather spendy.

apple4ever

join:2002-06-16

Coatesville, PA apple4ever Member STB Damn I can't wait until I can get my hands on one. I'm glad I have a DVR, but the software sucks. From randomly not recording, to a slow interface, its sucks.

Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23

Mineral Wells, TX Cobra11M Member ....why would they be doin this i mean why does comcast see fit to max out there connections??, i guess i aplaud them at least some cable companys are doing stuff unlike some others......(time....W)



Metatron2008

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join:2008-09-02

united state Metatron2008 Premium Member New speeds! Hit your cap in 1/4 of a second! Will need good marketing spin...

WernerSchutz

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Sugar Land, TX WernerSchutz Member Re: New speeds! Hit your cap in 1/4 of a second! said by Metatron2008: Will need good marketing spin...

"with free courtesy call from our friendly "abuse" department ! Need new friends ?? Sign up now !"



tshirt

Premium Member

join:2004-07-11

Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Wrong focus? Some people seem all excited about the new speeds (though I'm guessing that the pricing will probably prevent most from really ordering)

The video capabilities of the Pace box is what is really the news item, a cloud type DVR, that hints at a IPTV-like* experience, were true ala carte/pay by the minute, use of current cable content is really easily possible.



it's like iptv as CDV is like VoIP, a privite channel for CATV type content.

Bill_F

join:2010-02-09

Huntsville, AL Bill_F Member Re: Wrong focus? The real news is that if Comcast is capable of (and interested in) rolling out 100 mbps symmetrical right now, that also means they should have more affordable symmetrical tiers really soon too. (like 30/30, 50/50, etc)



tshirt

Premium Member

join:2004-07-11

Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: Wrong focus? I think it's a side by side solution, once everyone in an D3 area has one of these (or similar) boxes ALL broadcast channels stop at the edge and each home recievces only the channels they are watching on the TV side, there will be plenty of channals left for HSI symetric packages.

I don't know if that means widespread "REALLY soon!", more likely "fairly soon" (a couple-3-4 years) but it does show the possiblity and technology is out of the lab. (a big step- leaving the R&D-future stage, and starting the cutting edge/pending/beta/actual user in the field stage)

45612019 (banned)

join:2004-02-05

New York, NY 45612019 (banned) Member Demo To Only Be 30 Minutes Long ...since that's how long it will take to reach the 250 GB monthly bandwidth cap on 1 Gbps.



Comcap is a joke and these high speed gimmicks are worthless as long as they continue to have ridiculous limits like this in place.



I hope everyone sees past this cloud of bullshit for what it really is.



THZNDUP

Deorum Offensa Diis Curae

Premium Member

join:2003-09-18

Lard THZNDUP Premium Member Re: Demo To Only Be 30 Minutes Long



/sarcasm But as posted above-'time is money', look at all that you can now do with those freed up 29-30 days, 23 hours and 30 minutes left in the month........./sarcasm

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member stupid question, stupid answer why demo SYMMETRICAL speed tiers if you never NEVER plan to offer them to customers [at an AFFORDABLE price]?



answer:

stupid is as stupid does!