Patricia “Pat” Sorbara has been a backroom political operative for more than forty years. This conversation pulls back the curtain on the gritty work of managing Liberal campaigns, big and small, in Canada.

In an industry dominated by men we thought it would be both appropriate and fun to have podcast contributor Jenni Byrne—who shared with Pat some of the same obstacles and experiences in politics—lead the interview.

In this episode of The Herle Burly podcast, Pat joins us, not just to discuss her recent book, “Let ’Em Howl: Lessons from a Life in Backroom Politics” but to dive deep into the ground game operations of political campaigns, women in politics, and the election moments that broke our hearts.