Copper1212 wrote: ↑ By simply living we cause harm, I have acknowledge that, unless you kill yourself something will get harmed. That does not make it an excuse to harm where there are other practical options. I need a car, I do not need a car with leather seats. If my car has some fragment of animal products in it that does not make it ok to cause more suffering where it is not needed. By simply living we cause harm, I have acknowledge that, unless you kill yourself something will get harmed. That does not make it an excuse to harm where there are other practical options. I need a car, I do not need a car with leather seats. If my car has some fragment of animal products in it that does not make it ok to cause more suffering where it is not needed.

So what you're saying is it's okay to use animal based products sometimes? You don't need a car which has animal products in it's tires, in the electronics, in many aspects of it and not to mention the old remains of long dead animals that you pump into it at the gas station, or is that okay because they were already dead? You don't need a cellphone, but have chosen to own one when someone who genuinely wanted to not use any animal products wouldn't do so. You seem to be focusing solely on the it's not okay to eat the animals, but seem alright with using dead animals in many other ways.If you don't want to eat meat then that's perfectly fine. I applaud your choice and decision. However if you're going to be okay with the other animal products you use every day in your life then you can't really have a go at people for eating meat as that's not the sole reason those animals were slaughtered. Is everyone stopped eating meat tomorrow, and just that, then that meat is just going to get wasted when the rest of the animal is used for battery production, tires, seats, filters, adhesives, medicines, lubricants, membranes for screens and millions of other uses. In fact the meat is the least versatile part of the animal, and only good for eating. The rest of them is used much more readily in thousands of industrial and manufacturing applications touching almost every aspect of your everyday life.