[18:41] <LauraOfTheLye> god born this way is such an offensive song

[18:41] <avampirenamedvlad> how so?

[18:41] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye WTF?

[18:41] <LauraOfTheLye> people aren't born chola what the fuck

[18:41] <avampirenamedvlad> "orient life"?

[18:41] <LauraOfTheLye> orient made

[18:41] <celocanth13> micheal buble makes me want to hit something

[18:41] <avampirenamedvlad> chola?

[18:42] <Ophir> you are missing the point LauraOfTheLye

[18:42] <LauraOfTheLye> lol am i?

[18:42] <Ophir> yes

[18:42] <Ophir> you are

[18:42] <LauraOfTheLye> what's the point?

[18:42] <LauraOfTheLye> making money off of gay people?

[18:43] <Ophir> you are sick

[18:43] <Ophir> she is being inclusive

[18:43] <LauraOfTheLye> chola descent

[18:43] <LauraOfTheLye> you aren't born a chola

[18:43] <Ophir> dont hate on the ally's

[18:43] <Ophir> bitch

[18:44] <avampirenamedvlad> she's bi herself

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> lol she's not an ally

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> HA

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> i'll believe it when i see it

[18:44] <avampirenamedvlad> and makes criticisms of the catholic church where she was raised

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> nikki minaj is also "bi"

[18:44] <avampirenamedvlad> she lied

[18:44] <avampirenamedvlad> but she's also a piece of shit in general

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> lol

[18:44] <LauraOfTheLye> and gag is not

[18:44] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye

[18:44] <Ophir> No matter gay, straight or bi Lesbian, transgendered life I'm on the right track, baby I was born to survive

[18:44] <Ophir> Ally!

[18:44] <celocanth13> criticizing the catholic church isnt really that special, its too easy

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> she seriously thinks

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> that chola = mexican person

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> like what

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> lol yes

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> her lyrics are so supportive

[18:45] <LauraOfTheLye> i feel better about myself and all the suffering gay people go through because she included us in one couplet of her song

[18:46] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye? Yo hablo espanol?

[18:46] <avampirenamedvlad> the point of the song is that you are yourself

[18:46] <LauraOfTheLye> loll so original

[18:46] <celocanth13> lets be happy again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjPqsDU0j2I

[18:46] <LauraOfTheLye> we should really hail her for that

[18:46] <LauraOfTheLye> no

[18:46] <LauraOfTheLye> i don't

[18:46] <avampirenamedvlad> I see no problem with having an esteem anthem song when this country was having a string of gay suicides

[18:46] <Ophir> wow

[18:46] <Ophir> you

[18:47] <avampirenamedvlad> 14 kids within a few months

[18:47] <LauraOfTheLye> wow born this way has stemmed the tide

[18:47] <LauraOfTheLye> of gay suicides

[18:47] <LauraOfTheLye> that whole "it gets better" movement is bullshit

[18:47] <Ophir> you dont speak spanish, but you mock GaGa for be inclusive of Spanish speakers

[18:47] <Ophir> WTF

[18:47] <celocanth13> 14 suicides is fucking nothing

[18:47] <LauraOfTheLye> chola is not an appropriate word for spanish speakers

[18:47] <LauraOfTheLye> it's not

[18:48] <Ophir> yes it is

[18:48] <avampirenamedvlad> it gets better is bullshit?

[18:48] <LauraOfTheLye> um

[18:48] <avampirenamedvlad> lol

[18:48] <LauraOfTheLye> yes it is bullshit

[18:48] <avampirenamedvlad> based on your own experience?

[18:48] <LauraOfTheLye> it gets better if you are white and go to college

[18:48] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye Where the fuck are you from?

[18:48] <Ophir> Chola?

[18:49] <Ophir> silly gitl

[18:49] <LauraOfTheLye> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5ipogNkTgo

[18:49] <LauraOfTheLye> it doesn't get better

[18:49] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye I live in Arizona

[18:49] <LauraOfTheLye> it's a lie we are telling kids

[18:49] <LauraOfTheLye> what will happen

[18:49] <LauraOfTheLye> when they realize that it doesn't

[18:49] <Ophir> There are thousands of Chols's here

[18:50] <Ophir> Chols is not a derogitory term

[18:50] <Ophir> Chola

[18:50] <LauraOfTheLye> http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/55836422.html?thread=9594830342

[18:50] <LauraOfTheLye> i'm sorry but it is offensive

[18:50] <Ophir> Blogs dont count LauraOfTheLye

[18:51] <Ophir> nice try

[18:51] <LauraOfTheLye> Are Latinos supposed to be grateful that a white superstar, born of privilege, included a racist shout out to our community? Not all Latino ladies are "cholas" in the barrio, some of them are teachers, writers, engineers and nurses and doctors.

[18:51] <LauraOfTheLye> Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/55836422.html?thread=9594830342#ixzz2HiKhZi8m

[18:51] <tisiwhoshotjr> livejournal

[18:51] <tisiwhoshotjr> fucking really?

[18:51] <LauraOfTheLye> shut up jr

[18:51] <Ophir> jJESUS CHRIST LauraOfTheLye

[18:51] <LordUb3r> Lol

[18:52] <tisiwhoshotjr> You cant even link to a sociologist? or an actual journal?

[18:52] <LordUb3r> What the fuck is going on

[18:52] <Ophir> STFU

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> okay how is chola okay to say

[18:52] <celocanth13> LJ is a bad source, sorry

[18:52] <tisiwhoshotjr> Not even the Livejournal of someone with any clout?

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> latino is the proper word

[18:52] <Ophir> NO

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> chola is a cultural term

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> there are latinos who are not cholas

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> or cholos

[18:52] <celocanth13> or mexican, you can call mexicans that

[18:52] <Ophir> Chola is a real word

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> do you even know what it means

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> DUH It's a real world

[18:52] <Ophir> dont SRS on us

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> faggot is a real world

[18:52] <LauraOfTheLye> doesn't make it alright

[18:52] <Ophir> What?>

[18:53] <Ophir> Chola does not = faggot

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> A true chola is down for her barrio and is in a gang, and is as ruthless as a male gangbanger if not more. It is much more common to just look like a chola, and not act like a chola.

[18:53] <Ophir> are you a bigot LauraOfTheLye?

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> no

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> chola is a cultural term

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> you are not born a chola

[18:53] <Ophir> NO

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> you are born latino

[18:53] <Ophir> STOP IT

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> omg are you lation

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> no i didn't think so

[18:53] <LauraOfTheLye> shut your white mouth

[18:53] <celocanth13> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholo

[18:53] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye YOU ARE WRONG

[18:54] <Ophir> STFU

[18:54] <celocanth13> its a slur

[18:54] <LordUb3r> What the fuck is happening

[18:54] <LauraOfTheLye> I WIN

[18:54] <tisiwhoshotjr> lotl is arguing as per usual

[18:54] <tisiwhoshotjr> aka lotl is in this chat

[18:54] <LordUb3r> You don't say

[18:54] <tisiwhoshotjr> and thus is arguing

[18:54] <tisiwhoshotjr> with someone

[18:54] <Ophir> Chola is not a slur

[18:54] <LauraOfTheLye> yes it is

[18:54] <Ophir> or anything bad

[18:54] <LauraOfTheLye> can you read

[18:54] <LauraOfTheLye> or are you too white for that

[18:54] <celocanth13> according to the article, its a slur

[18:54] <LordUb3r> Wat

[18:54] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye I can not only read

[18:54] <tisiwhoshotjr> someone has these logs right? whoever does should send them to me

[18:54] <Ophir> I can speak it

[18:55] <LordUb3r> You counter their assertion with racism?

[18:55] <LauraOfTheLye> you can't be racist against white people

[18:55] <LauraOfTheLye> plus i'm white

[18:55] <LordUb3r> Wat

[18:56] <LordUb3r> Are you a real person?

[18:56] <LordUb3r> Do you exist?

[18:56] <LordUb3r> What fucking reality is this

[18:56] <LauraOfTheLye> did i hurt your white feelings :*(

[18:56] <celocanth13> i dont have logs, JR, theres a sub for this stuff now

[18:56] <Ophir> LauraOfTheLye Eres demasiado estúpido por tu propio bien

[18:56] <avampirenamedVlad> que?

[18:56] <LordUb3r> My white feelings are stinging with the pain

[18:57] <Ophir> STFU LauraOfTheLye

15[18:57] * Ophir is now known as me

15[18:57] * me is now known as david-me

[18:57] <LauraOfTheLye> lol

[18:57] <LauraOfTheLye> i proved your wrong

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> cholo/a is offensive

[18:58] <david-me> LotL is a tryhard troll

[18:58] <david-me> No it is not

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> and not only that

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> you are missing the point

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> you aren't born cholo

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> it is not a racial trait

[18:58] <david-me> What?

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> ugh

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> never mind

[18:58] <david-me> Hispanic

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> *you* are too dumb for your own good

[18:58] <david-me> Mexicano

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> NOT ALL HISPANIC PEOPLE ARE CHOLOS

[18:58] <LauraOfTheLye> OMG

[18:59] <david-me> lol

[18:59] <LauraOfTheLye> that's like saying all black people are gang bangers

[18:59] <LauraOfTheLye> how do you not see that

[18:59] <celocanth13> cholo is an ethnic slur, its modern usage refers to a southwest mexican street gang

[18:59] <tisiwhoshotjr> haha poor redping

[18:59] <LordUb3r> Lol fuck that guy

[18:59] <LordUb3r> He's not here, right?

[18:59] <david-me> LauraOfTheLye needs to pluck her eyebrows more

[18:59] <LordUb3r> Okay good

[18:59] <scutagium> am I missing drama in here

[18:59] <Fab500> Yes!

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> remember when you asked us to tell if you are being an ass david-me?

[19:00] <tisiwhoshotjr> yes scut

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> well you are being an ass

[19:00] <scutagium> tl;dr?

[19:00] <david-me> I am an ass, but I am also right

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> no you are not

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> what makes you right

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> you've given no proof

[19:00] <LauraOfTheLye> aside from living in arizona

[19:00] <scutagium> proof on IRC

[19:00] <david-me> proof of what?

[19:00] <scutagium> HAHAHAHAHA

[19:01] <LauraOfTheLye> of it not being offensive

[19:01] <scutagium> this guy, so funnies

[19:01] <david-me> Soy un hablante español are you?

[19:01] <david-me> I thought not

[19:01] <LordUb3r> Oh my God

[19:01] <LauraOfTheLye> just because i'm not fluent

[19:01] <LauraOfTheLye> and just because you are

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> does not make you some sort of judge of what is and is not offensive

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> like what

[19:02] <scutagium> what makes you the judge of what is offensive?

[19:02] <david-me> So now I am a "Special Snowflake

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> because it is

[19:02] <david-me> ?

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> no you are not even a special snowflake

[19:02] <scutagium> based off of your perspective

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> you have no minority status

[19:02] <LauraOfTheLye> not based of my perspective

[19:03] <LauraOfTheLye> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholo

[19:03] <@stopscopiesme_afk> Let's be at least somewhat nice guys

[19:03] <@stopscopiesme_afk> *nice, guys

[19:03] <LordUb3r> Come on Scopies

[19:03] <david-me> so as a hispanic, I cant tell you that clola means?

[19:03] <LordUb3r> This is great

[19:03] <scutagium> so you are arguing that it is universially offensive, so if I can find on use of it where it was not used offensively, your argument falls

[19:03] <david-me> I need to bee more white

[19:04] <scutagium> this is like AMP telling a jew what jewish is

[19:04] <LauraOfTheLye> it is offensive

[19:04] <LauraOfTheLye> look at the wiki

[19:04] <david-me> no

[19:04] <LauraOfTheLye> yes

[19:04] <scutagium> based off of your perspective

[19:04] <LauraOfTheLye> OMG NO

[19:04] <david-me> yes

[19:04] <LauraOfTheLye> In modern American usage, it most often applies to a low-income Mexican-American sub-culture and manner of dress.

[19:05] <david-me> LauraOfTheLye are you questioning me?

[19:05] <LauraOfTheLye> yes i am

[19:05] <scutagium> In modern usage in the United States, the term "cholo" usually indicates a person of Mexican or Mexican-American descent who is associated with a particular Southwestern street gang. The term is used in Caló slang, but it in turn has infiltrated into mainstream American English use, specifically in association with American youth movements such as the "lowrider" subculture, or the hip hop scene in general.

[19:05] <david-me> yoe are wrong

[19:05] <scutagium> ok

[19:05] <scutagium> so what is your point

[19:05] <david-me> A "wiki:" does not make you right

[19:05] <scutagium> it is offensive when used a certain way

[19:05] <LauraOfTheLye> and what makes you right

[19:05] <LauraOfTheLye> being a minority?

[19:05] <LauraOfTheLye> HA

[19:05] <celocanth13> a wiki is pretty trusty

[19:05] <scutagium> but is not universially offensive because there are contexts where it is used and it is not a slur

[19:06] <scutagium> OMG... SOMETHING IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE

[19:06] <scutagium> MIND FUCKING BLOWN

[19:06] <tisiwhoshotjr> it's kind of pointless to call out someone's whiteness when you're white yourself.

[19:06] <LauraOfTheLye> either way

[19:06] <tisiwhoshotjr> making you both ignorant and wrong.

[19:06] <LauraOfTheLye> my point was that you aren't born cholo

[19:06] <LordUb3r> WHAT

[19:06] <LordUb3r> NOT BLACK OR WHITE

[19:06] <david-me> as a Spanish speaking Arizonan. I think I have clout

[19:06] <LordUb3r> BUT WHAT ABOUT MY WHITE PRIVELEGE

[19:06] <LauraOfTheLye> lol what

[19:06] <LordUb3r> How is it going to blind me to oppression?

[19:06] <LauraOfTheLye> my entire point was that you aren't born cholo

[19:06] <scutagium> LotL, you are an absolutist, there is context where the word is not a slur

[19:06] <tisiwhoshotjr> uber our only remaining privilege is being easily seen at night.

[19:07] <scutagium> you choose to ignore that

[19:07] <LordUb3r> Hmm

[19:07] <scutagium> come back and try again

[19:07] <LauraOfTheLye> yes there is a context where it is not racist

[19:07] <LauraOfTheLye> but i think in this case it is

[19:07] <scutagium> and where it is not a slur

[19:07] <LordUb3r> I dress in dark clothing at night so I look extra intimidating

[19:07] <scutagium> and where it is not offensive

[19:07] <LauraOfTheLye> because she equates cholo = latino

[19:07] <david-me> chola/cholo is bot a slur

[19:07] <scutagium> your argument falls

[19:07] <LauraOfTheLye> it was used by pride movements

[19:07] <LauraOfTheLye> there it is not offensive

[19:08] <LauraOfTheLye> if someone chooses to call themselves cholo

[19:08] <LauraOfTheLye> it's not offensive

[19:08] <david-me> it is never offensive

[19:08] <LauraOfTheLye> yes it issssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[19:08] <david-me> OMG

[19:08] <david-me> check your privilege

[19:08] <david-me> bitch

[19:08] <LauraOfTheLye> check your assholeness

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> dick

[19:09] <scutagium> and we have hit 2nd grade

[19:09] <david-me> You failed

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> you failed

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> you offered no proof

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> beyond your minority status

[19:09] <avampirenamedVlad> bam

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> lol woah you don't find something offensive

10[19:09] <Fab500> it has devolved into personal insults. pack up your bags everyone, let's go home. we've earned it.

[19:09] <scutagium> YOUR OWN PROOF CONTRADICTED YOUR POINT

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> what point

[19:09] <LauraOfTheLye> my only point was that you aren't born cholo

[19:09] <david-me> LauraOfTheLye!!!!!!!! There is no proof

[19:10] <scutagium> I have no idea

[19:10] <LauraOfTheLye> you can't be born a cholo

[19:10] <LauraOfTheLye> you are not born that way

[19:10] <LauraOfTheLye> you are not born cholo

[19:10] <david-me> you cant prove a negfative

[19:10] <celocanth13> we were having a really nice, happy conversation before this :(

[19:10] <LordUb3r> This channel has happy conversations?

[19:10] <david-me> no one is born a cholo LauraOfTheLye

[19:10] <LauraOfTheLye> thank you

[19:10] <david-me> but cholo is not a bad thing

[19:10] <celocanth13> it was happy songs and then LOLT got pissy about born this way

[19:10] <LauraOfTheLye> i'm not saying it is

[19:10] <david-me> nor a slur

[19:11] <LauraOfTheLye> that wasn't my point

[19:11] <@stopscopiesme_afk> (all right, I'm gonna take a vote. anybody want this to stop?)

[19:11] <LauraOfTheLye> it's offensive to equate all latinos with cholo

[19:11] <LauraOfTheLye> some don't identify with that culture

[19:11] <david-me> LauraOfTheLye

[19:11] <david-me> what?

[19:11] <Fab500> Yeah this channel was awesome before someone had to bring up born this way. We were groovin and having a blast

[19:11] <celocanth13> meh, Im okay with it stopping we got what we want

[19:11] <david-me> Cholo/chola is not bad