Councillor Giorgio Mammoliti alleges on a podcast that Mayor Rob Ford was high on crack cocaine when he famously called the councillor “Gino boy” in 2002 and said the fallout from the incident led Ford to curl up crying in the fetal position on the floor of then-mayor Mel Lastman’s office.

On Thursday night, Lastman flatly denied Mammoliti’s account that Ford was curled up in the fetal position crying in his office.

“No. No, he wasn’t,” said Lastman in a phone interview with the Star Thursday night. “I met with him but I’m not going to discuss it with you. That was a private meeting to discuss his problem, that’s all — the argument they had when the word ‘Gino boy’ came up.”

“He was in no fetal position,” said Lastman.

Mammoliti’s chat was on the podcast of former shock jock Dean Blundell. Blundell was let go from radio station 102.1 The Edge after a Toronto Star article exposed homophobic commentary on the program about a sexual assault trial in which the show’s producer and co-host served as jury foreman.

Mammoliti appeared on an episode released Thursday of Deancast — a podcast Blundell has been posting to his personal website.

“I don’t know the real Rob Ford. And I say that for a reason. I think he’s been an addict for quite some time,” said Mammoliti on the program.

The 49-minute conversation between the two focuses predominantly on the mayor, now on leave from City Hall and receiving treatment for substance abuse. Mammoliti said that someone he described as “an addict” offered to sell him information on Ford for $5,000.

“He was a constituent of mine and that particular person said that he has information on the councillor at the time that I should know about and gave me details in terms of where I could find him and how high he would be . . . I’m not that type of guy. I just won’t do that stuff,” said Mammoliti.

Mammoliti and Ford have had a mercurial relationship over the years. In their days as councillors, the relationship between the two boiled over when Ford called Mammoliti a “Gino boy” — a slur used against Italians. On Blundell’s podcast, Mammoliti alleged Ford was on drugs at the time.

“When he called me Gino boy, he was high on something,” said Mammoliti on the program. Blundell asked him what drug he thought it was. “I think it was . . . my view is today is I think it was consistent to the crack or some of the hard (drugs).”

Councillor Doug Ford did not return a call from the Star Thursday night.