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One has to remember: Jones, nor any establishment, is interested in providing the public with any balance of facts. It's not like Henry Kissinger or David Rockefeller ever had the idea of sitting down with Jones and talk about the numerous death squad leaders, drug traffickers and Gladio terrorists the leadership of the American Security Council, Western Goals, WACL and Le Cercle have been working with. As Jones' Rothschild interview and his 9/11 Chronicles documentary demonstrate, he simply will not engage establishmentarians in rational discussion. They're considered the enemy: CNP and John Birch-style. And also Admiral Moorer-style. As the rest of Moorer's biography makes clear, he wasn't just a critic of Israel, he also was a major opponent of the Rockefellers and Henry Kissinger.



Before non-Eastern Establishmentarian Thomas Moorer joined the ultraright NGO circuit, he was chief of naval operations from 1967 to 1970 and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1970 to 1974. In these functions he was on the inside of the super-secret worldwide Navy spy group Task Force 157, a competitor in some respects of the CIA. Moorer became notorious during the Senate hearings in 1974 when the Watergate affair was at its height. It was found out that Moorer had been spying on Nixon and Henry Kissinger during their trip to China. Apart from a secure Task Force 157 communication channel that Moorer recommended Kissinger should use, later American Security Council board member, Admiral Yeoman Radford, at the time part of Kissinger's staff, was stealing documents that ended up with Moorer. [98] Moorer and allies, many of them to be found in the afore-mentioned NGOs, were of the opinion that the Rockefellers were using Nixon, Kissinger and the Council on Foreign Relations network to form a one world government with the communists in order to guarantee the family's continued domination over the financial markets. [99] Sounds familiar? There are actually indications that Moorer, along with the FBI's Mark Felt and the CIA's Richard Helms, all played important roles in initiating the Watergate affair. Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, for example, used to work for Admiral Moorer before he was approached by "deep throat", i.e. FBI COINTELPRO chief Mark Felt. [100] Meanwhile, CIA director Richard Helms refused a request from Nixon to block Mark Felt's FBI investigation of the Watergate incident [101] - a curious botch up all by itself [102] - with reporters Woodward and Bernstein working for the Washington Post's Ben Bradlee [103], a childhood friend of Helms. [104]



While it is not at all certain that Watergate was a CIA-FBI-Navy coup against the Nixon administration (all for their own reasons), it should be clear by now that Admiral Thomas Moorer has been a long-time insider to Washington intrigue and shared Alex Jones' views on Kissinger, the Rockefellers and the Eastern Establishment before Jones was even born. The two shared other opinions: Moorer's American Security Council clique always hated FDR for the New Deal - which gave basic rights to workers and abolished child labor [105] - and U.S. intervention in World War II. That's the main reason for continuing claims that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, a theory Jones can't get enough of. The major Wall Street banks working with the fascist regimes pre-World War II is also a conspiracy that is acceptable to the conservative establishment, as long as it is left out that the conservatives of the American Security Council were much more devout and unrepentant fascists than the New York bankers.



To summarize, Alex Jones might be helping to expose the existence and influence of the Eastern Establishment, Henry Kissinger and the Rockefeller family, but at the same time it is clear that his information is nothing new. It has been promoted by powerful conservative interests since even before World War II. Jones is actually protecting the same powerful clique that General Dwight Eisenhower - a Pilgrims Society executive even before he became president and a close ally of the Dulles brothers and Rockefeller family - termed the "Military-Industrial Complex." This was a reference to the National Military Industrial Conferences ran by the American Security Council in the late 1950s and early 1960s [106], the same American Security Council of Admiral Thomas Moorer, General John Singlaub, General Daniel Graham and Colonel Oliver North. I've heard Jones shout the term "Military-Industrial Complex." a lot of times, but never have I heard him make the link with the National Military Industrial Conferences. Maybe that's not too surprising, because I seem to be the first to have explicitly done that.



Franklin Affair



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Former senator John DeCamp and former FBI chief Ted Gunderson have both been invited to the Alex Jones Show on multiple occasions. Both DeCamp and Gunderson maintained top-level CIA ties, with Gunderson in particular peddling tons of disinformation. All not so much different from Jones himself, it turns out.



What Alex Jones and Admiral Thomas Moorer also have in common is the Franklin child abuse affair. Jones loves to give attention to it while Moorer sat on the five-man advisory board of Washington lobbying firm Hill & Knowlton [107], founded and headed by Robert Keith Gray, who, according to information acquired by Senator John DeCamp, "reportedly [was] a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA." According to DeCamp, Gray's associate Edwin Wilson, earlier an employee of Moorer's Task Force 157, had taken over pedophile entrapment operations from Roy Cohn [108], whom Moorer knew from the Western Goals Foundation board. [109] At Hill & Knowlton, Moorer shared the board with Douglas MacArthur II, a sinister CIA and army-tied individual who can be closely tied to similar pedophile operations in the U.S., Belgium and through the Moonie Cult. These aspects are discussed in ISGP's American Security Council article.



Senator John DeCamp, an occasional guest on the Alex Jones Show, really is a very peculiar individual. He was a close friend and key protege of former CIA director William Colby. Together the men set up the Phoenix interrogation program in Vietnam, almost unapologetically described by DeCamp as "controversial, brutal, and at times horribly handled [but] also the singlemost effective, and most feared program the Americans carried out during the Vietnam war." Even his Nebraska senatorship after he got hurt in Vietnam, DeCamp has to thank to Colby, with whom he remained in continuous contact until Colby's bizarre death in 1996. [110] Since the mid 1980s DeCamp and Colby appear to have played a role in limiting the fall-out and/or spreading disinformation in the Franklin affair, Oklahoma, Waco, the militia movement and most likely other sensitive affairs. [111] This becomes an even stronger suspicion when we consider that DeCamp's ally in the Franklin affair and Oklahoma bombing was retired FBI officer Ted Gunderson. [112]



Gunderson has been a promoter of just about every bogus theory one can come up with: Area 51, reptilians, the Illuminati, FEMA internment camps, a United Nations army taking over the United States, chemtrails, "pineapple bombs" at Oklahoma, no-planes on 9/11, the McMartin Preschool Satanic Ritual Abuse case (in which and he and his girlfriend at the time played a key role), and millions of children disappearing into Satanic Ritual Abuse networks. Most of his speeches will deal with evidence of cultic ritual abuse and invariably he will present his audiences with a copy of William Guy Carr's 1955 Pawns in the Game as the book that explains it all, i.e. the Rothschilds ordered Adam Weishaupt to set up the "Luciferian" Illuminati and take over the entire world along the lines of the (anti-Jewish) Protocols of Zion. Gunderson even refers to forged "Three World Wars letter" of Albert Pike to Giuseppe Mazzini, two freemasonry masters. Every time he does this, I can't help but be amused. It's just so silly in this day and age of broadband internet. Gunderson really was one of the more extreme figures in the conspiracy circuit. It absolutely makes no sense that DeCamp would have cooperated with Gunderson in the Franklin and Oklahoma affairs. Then again, Gunderson was FBI chief of California at the time of his retirement in 1979 and certainly by the 1980s had developed extremely sinister CIA ties in the form of his apparently "inseparable" friend Robert Booth Nichols, who is generally described as "a very strange and dangerous guy", and the ultraright billionaire Murchison family. [113] This is the same clique that apparently suicided famous "Octopus" researcher Danny Casolaro in 1991. [114] Apart from the endnotes, the details of this are discussed in Gunderson's rather extensive no-planer biography. By the way, like the Hunt family of the John Birch Society and the CNP, the closely-tied Murchisons were also invited to Prince Bernhard's 1001 Club - yet another indication that the visible faces of research into child abuse networks and the Oklahoma bombing, Ted Gunderson and John DeCamp, were extremely closely tied to very sinister powers-that-be.

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October 22, 1988: Colonel Michael Aquino, Father James Lebar and Ted Gunderson on Geraldo. Bizarrely, Aquino had numerous accusations of child ritual abuse against him, with parents claiming there was a cover up when he was acquitted. Within a year Aquino is allowed on shows as Geraldo and Oprah (small picture) to make the case that Satanism in which "babies are sacrificed" doesn't exist.

By that time, and through cases as Jeffrey MacDonald / Helena Stoeckley, the McMartin preschool trial and the Franklin Affair, Ted Gunderson had established himself as the primary person claiming that, "Yes, babies are sacrificed."

Sitting in between them on Geraldo is Father James Lebar, one of the Vatican's "exorcists" along the lines of Father Malachi Martin, a C2C AM scam artist. And that reminds me, in more recent years Aquino solidly dove into the alternative UFO field with his newfound friend Colonel John Alexander, a C2C AM veteran who, along with his best friend from military intelligence, the no-planer General Albert Stubblebine, helped create the alien abduction myth.

Is Satanic Ritual Abuse a complete fabrication of the security services or is there some truth to it? I don't know, but clearly this whole Geraldo debate was as controlled as the more modern cases where Geraldo is talking to questionable 9/11 truthers.



Despite the fact that he is much more coherent, DeCamp, knowingly or unknowingly, spread disinformation when he claimed that both William Colby and Henry Kissinger explained to him that there never was a Deep Throat that spilled the beans on the Watergate affair. [115] That was just before the world found out it had been top FBI COINTELPRO chief Mark Felt. His book The Franklin Cover-up also contains the extremely questionable information that MKULTRA was renamed Project Monarch and that a certain key person in it, "Dr. Green", came from a Nazi Germany internment camp. These aspects have been discussed in ISGP articles Beyond the Dutroux Affair and Beyond Dutroux ties to 1950s-era CIA covert operation. Plus: the mysterious "Dr. Green" identified. It's tough to find anything truly damaging on DeCamp (which might be a good thing), but as the sidekick of Bill Colby he maintained some top-level spook ties, including curious Ramparts journalists who converted from the new left to the neocon ultraright, MI6 asset Sir James Goldsmith, and a French-Vietnamese family that continued the covert war in Vietnam even after the U.S. involvement had come to an end here. [116]



In interviews Alex Jones has conducted with DeCamp and Gunderson, he never asked these men about the Franklin affair's potential ties to ISGP's Beyond the Dutroux Affair. He also never asked these individuals about their worrying CIA and establishment connections, nor about the disinformation they have spread. [117] Could it be that this is because Jones himself secretly has ties to the CIA or the establishment and therefore promotes the same kind of disinformation? No, that would be too crazy, right? And certainly no evidence of that would ever be found? Right? Well, read on with Part III of this article.



PART III........... Despite the fact that Admiral Moorer was raising genuine questions about the U.S.S. Liberty incident, it hardly makes the mutual Jones-Moorer support any less worrying than Jones' protection of the Council for National Policy. While there is no evidence in the public domain at this point, it is possible, if not likely, that Admiral Moorer attended one or more meetings of the CNP at one point or another. Why? Because more than a few visitors are not listed as members; they come along with registered members (or look at Joel Skousen, for example: very prominent within the CNP, but not officially a member). And also because Moorer sat on the board of the American Security Council [95] and the Western Goals Foundation [96], has visited Le Cercle [97], and overall was one of the closest allies of CNP board members General John Singlaub, General Daniel Graham and Colonel Oliver North. In other words, Moorer provides additional circumstantial evidence of the kind of backing the Infowars enterprise has received.One has to remember: Jones, nor any establishment, is interested in providing the public with any balance of facts. It's not like Henry Kissinger or David Rockefeller ever had the idea of sitting down with Jones and talk about the numerous death squad leaders, drug traffickers and Gladio terrorists the leadership of the American Security Council, Western Goals, WACL and Le Cercle have been working with. As Jones' Rothschild interview and his 9/11 Chronicles documentary demonstrate, he simply will not engage establishmentarians in rational discussion. They're considered the enemy: CNP and John Birch-style. And also Admiral Moorer-style. As the rest of Moorer's biography makes clear, he wasn't just a critic of Israel, he also was a major opponent of the Rockefellers and Henry Kissinger.Before non-Eastern Establishmentarian Thomas Moorer joined the ultraright NGO circuit, he was chief of naval operations from 1967 to 1970 and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1970 to 1974. In these functions he was on the inside of the super-secret worldwide Navy spy group Task Force 157, a competitor in some respects of the CIA. Moorer became notorious during the Senate hearings in 1974 when the Watergate affair was at its height. It was found out that Moorer had been spying on Nixon and Henry Kissinger during their trip to China. Apart from a secure Task Force 157 communication channel that Moorer recommended Kissinger should use, later American Security Council board member, Admiral Yeoman Radford, at the time part of Kissinger's staff, was stealing documents that ended up with Moorer. [98] Moorer and allies, many of them to be found in the afore-mentioned NGOs, were of the opinion that the Rockefellers were using Nixon, Kissinger and the Council on Foreign Relations network to form a one world government with the communists in order to guarantee the family's continued domination over the financial markets. [99] Sounds familiar? There are actually indications that Moorer, along with the FBI's Mark Felt and the CIA's Richard Helms, all played important roles in initiating the Watergate affair. Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, for example, used to work for Admiral Moorer before he was approached by "deep throat", i.e. FBI COINTELPRO chief Mark Felt. [100] Meanwhile, CIA director Richard Helms refused a request from Nixon to block Mark Felt's FBI investigation of the Watergate incident [101] - a curious botch up all by itself [102] - with reporters Woodward and Bernstein working for the Washington Post's Ben Bradlee [103], a childhood friend of Helms. [104]While it is not at all certain that Watergate was a CIA-FBI-Navy coup against the Nixon administration (all for their own reasons), it should be clear by now that Admiral Thomas Moorer has been a long-time insider to Washington intrigue and shared Alex Jones' views on Kissinger, the Rockefellers and the Eastern Establishment before Jones was even born. The two shared other opinions: Moorer's American Security Council clique always hated FDR for the New Deal - which gave basic rights to workers and abolished child labor [105] - and U.S. intervention in World War II. That's the main reason for continuing claims that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance, a theory Jones can't get enough of. The major Wall Street banks working with the fascist regimes pre-World War II is also a conspiracy that is acceptable to the conservative establishment, as long as it is left out that the conservatives of the American Security Council were much more devout and unrepentant fascists than the New York bankers.To summarize, Alex Jones might be helping to expose the existence and influence of the Eastern Establishment, Henry Kissinger and the Rockefeller family, but at the same time it is clear that his information is nothing new. It has been promoted by powerful conservative interests since even before World War II. Jones is actually protecting the same powerful clique that General Dwight Eisenhower - a Pilgrims Society executive even before he became president and a close ally of the Dulles brothers and Rockefeller family - termed the "Military-Industrial Complex." This was a reference to the National Military Industrial Conferences ran by the American Security Council in the late 1950s and early 1960s [106], the same American Security Council of Admiral Thomas Moorer, General John Singlaub, General Daniel Graham and Colonel Oliver North. I've heard Jones shout the term "Military-Industrial Complex." a lot of times, but never have I heard him make the link with the National Military Industrial Conferences. Maybe that's not too surprising, because I seem to be the first to have explicitly done that.Franklin Affairsenator-john-decamp-fbi-ted-gunderson-alex-jones-show-infowars-guestsFormer senator John DeCamp and former FBI chief Ted Gunderson have both been invited to the Alex Jones Show on multiple occasions. Both DeCamp and Gunderson maintained top-level CIA ties, with Gunderson in particular peddling tons of disinformation. All not so much different from Jones himself, it turns out.What Alex Jones and Admiral Thomas Moorer also have in common is the Franklin child abuse affair. Jones loves to give attention to it while Moorer sat on the five-man advisory board of Washington lobbying firm Hill & Knowlton [107], founded and headed by Robert Keith Gray, who, according to information acquired by Senator John DeCamp, "reportedly [was] a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the CIA." According to DeCamp, Gray's associate Edwin Wilson, earlier an employee of Moorer's Task Force 157, had taken over pedophile entrapment operations from Roy Cohn [108], whom Moorer knew from the Western Goals Foundation board. [109] At Hill & Knowlton, Moorer shared the board with Douglas MacArthur II, a sinister CIA and army-tied individual who can be closely tied to similar pedophile operations in the U.S., Belgium and through the Moonie Cult. These aspects are discussed in ISGP's American Security Council article.Senator John DeCamp, an occasional guest on the Alex Jones Show, really is a very peculiar individual. He was a close friend and key protege of former CIA director William Colby. Together the men set up the Phoenix interrogation program in Vietnam, almost unapologetically described by DeCamp as "controversial, brutal, and at times horribly handled [but] also the singlemost effective, and most feared program the Americans carried out during the Vietnam war." Even his Nebraska senatorship after he got hurt in Vietnam, DeCamp has to thank to Colby, with whom he remained in continuous contact until Colby's bizarre death in 1996. [110] Since the mid 1980s DeCamp and Colby appear to have played a role in limiting the fall-out and/or spreading disinformation in the Franklin affair, Oklahoma, Waco, the militia movement and most likely other sensitive affairs. [111] This becomes an even stronger suspicion when we consider that DeCamp's ally in the Franklin affair and Oklahoma bombing was retired FBI officer Ted Gunderson. [112]Gunderson has been a promoter of just about every bogus theory one can come up with: Area 51, reptilians, the Illuminati, FEMA internment camps, a United Nations army taking over the United States, chemtrails, "pineapple bombs" at Oklahoma, no-planes on 9/11, the McMartin Preschool Satanic Ritual Abuse case (in which and he and his girlfriend at the time played a key role), and millions of children disappearing into Satanic Ritual Abuse networks. Most of his speeches will deal with evidence of cultic ritual abuse and invariably he will present his audiences with a copy of William Guy Carr's 1955 Pawns in the Game as the book that explains it all, i.e. the Rothschilds ordered Adam Weishaupt to set up the "Luciferian" Illuminati and take over the entire world along the lines of the (anti-Jewish) Protocols of Zion. Gunderson even refers to forged "Three World Wars letter" of Albert Pike to Giuseppe Mazzini, two freemasonry masters. Every time he does this, I can't help but be amused. It's just so silly in this day and age of broadband internet. Gunderson really was one of the more extreme figures in the conspiracy circuit. It absolutely makes no sense that DeCamp would have cooperated with Gunderson in the Franklin and Oklahoma affairs. Then again, Gunderson was FBI chief of California at the time of his retirement in 1979 and certainly by the 1980s had developed extremely sinister CIA ties in the form of his apparently "inseparable" friend Robert Booth Nichols, who is generally described as "a very strange and dangerous guy", and the ultraright billionaire Murchison family. [113] This is the same clique that apparently suicided famous "Octopus" researcher Danny Casolaro in 1991. [114] Apart from the endnotes, the details of this are discussed in Gunderson's rather extensive no-planer biography. By the way, like the Hunt family of the John Birch Society and the CNP, the closely-tied Murchisons were also invited to Prince Bernhard's 1001 Club - yet another indication that the visible faces of research into child abuse networks and the Oklahoma bombing, Ted Gunderson and John DeCamp, were extremely closely tied to very sinister powers-that-be.geraldo-rivera-fox-satanic-ritual-abuse-program-colonel-michael-aquino -fbi-ted-gundersonOctober 22, 1988: Colonel Michael Aquino, Father James Lebar and Ted Gunderson on Geraldo. Bizarrely, Aquino had numerous accusations of child ritual abuse against him, with parents claiming there was a cover up when he was acquitted. Within a year Aquino is allowed on shows as Geraldo and Oprah (small picture) to make the case that Satanism in which "babies are sacrificed" doesn't exist.By that time, and through cases as Jeffrey MacDonald / Helena Stoeckley, the McMartin preschool trial and the Franklin Affair, Ted Gunderson had established himself as the primary person claiming that, "Yes, babies are sacrificed."Sitting in between them on Geraldo is Father James Lebar, one of the Vatican's "exorcists" along the lines of Father Malachi Martin, a C2C AM scam artist. And that reminds me, in more recent years Aquino solidly dove into the alternative UFO field with his newfound friend Colonel John Alexander, a C2C AM veteran who, along with his best friend from military intelligence, the no-planer General Albert Stubblebine, helped create the alien abduction myth.Is Satanic Ritual Abuse a complete fabrication of the security services or is there some truth to it? I don't know, but clearly this whole Geraldo debate was as controlled as the more modern cases where Geraldo is talking to questionable 9/11 truthers.Despite the fact that he is much more coherent, DeCamp, knowingly or unknowingly, spread disinformation when he claimed that both William Colby and Henry Kissinger explained to him that there never was a Deep Throat that spilled the beans on the Watergate affair. [115] That was just before the world found out it had been top FBI COINTELPRO chief Mark Felt. His book The Franklin Cover-up also contains the extremely questionable information that MKULTRA was renamed Project Monarch and that a certain key person in it, "Dr. Green", came from a Nazi Germany internment camp. These aspects have been discussed in ISGP articles Beyond the Dutroux Affair and Beyond Dutroux ties to 1950s-era CIA covert operation. Plus: the mysterious "Dr. Green" identified. It's tough to find anything truly damaging on DeCamp (which might be a good thing), but as the sidekick of Bill Colby he maintained some top-level spook ties, including curious Ramparts journalists who converted from the new left to the neocon ultraright, MI6 asset Sir James Goldsmith, and a French-Vietnamese family that continued the covert war in Vietnam even after the U.S. involvement had come to an end here. [116]In interviews Alex Jones has conducted with DeCamp and Gunderson, he never asked these men about the Franklin affair's potential ties to ISGP's Beyond the Dutroux Affair. He also never asked these individuals about their worrying CIA and establishment connections, nor about the disinformation they have spread. [117] Could it be that this is because Jones himself secretly has ties to the CIA or the establishment and therefore promotes the same kind of disinformation? No, that would be too crazy, right? And certainly no evidence of that would ever be found? Right? Well, read on with Part III of this article.PART III...........

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The long-time John Birch Society magazine: The New American.



While massively expanded here, the above information is basically how far ISGP took the subject of Alex Jones in the 2014 Cult of National Security Trolls article. Since then, and even before that, it turns out Jones has actually admitted on multiple occasions that he comes from a CIA and army special forces family, one which might well be directly linked to the above-mentioned members of the Council for National Policy and the American Security Council. That makes a lot of sense, of course, but hearing these admissions come from Alex Jones' mouth himself is still quite remarkable.



As of this writing, January 17, 2016, Alex Jones' Wikipedia page doesn't say a word about him having received any kind of inspiration about researching the Eastern Establishment from CIA or army special forces-linked family members. It only explains that Jones' father was a dentist, an occupation that can hardly arouse less suspicion of secret CIA and army Intelligence plots. For the most part Jones' early years as described on Wikipedia are based on a March 2011 profile of him in Rolling Stone, in which Jones explains that local police corruption in the Dallas suburb he grew up in, as well as John Birch Society influences from neighbors since he was about two years old, put him on the path of exposing government corruption. His major breakthrough came when, as a teenager, he read the John Birch Society classic None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen, a book he found on his father's bookshelf. [118]



A first Opie & Anthony admission



It appears Alex Jones made a first brief transgression regarding his family history during an April 17, 2013 appearance on the Opie & Anthony Show, with comedian Jim Norton acting as a third host. Listening to the show, it once again become clear why I never could stand to listen to Jones. He's just ranting and raving non-stop, skipping from subject to subject, and literally doesn't properly answer a single question. It's actually even worse than it used to be. First the hosts are trying to figure out his exact opinion on the Boston Marathon Bombing. Jones goes from a few brief sentences involving a "90% percent" certainty of a "false flag" by the "military-industrial complex" to a rant of Obama ordering drone hits on weddings. Then for 10 minutes the hosts try to figure out any alternative Jones might have to the TSA and how exactly the TSA infringes on civil liberties. Jones never directly answers the questions. He just keeps ranting about Dachau, Auschwitz, TSA agents dragging children to private rooms and groping wives, MKULTRA, truth serum, elites plotting to destroy our economy, and finally "boiling baths of peanut oil ... to make sure there are no explosives in our testicles."



At that point a caller to the show, Lindsey, starts to confront Jones on one particular aspect of the Boston Marathon Bombing. Again Jones refuses to provide a direct answer, at least for the first several minutes. A partial transcript follows:

JONES: ... and the boiling peanut oil will neutralize the explosives, uh.



HOST: Okay, listen, someone in Boston wants in badly. It's Lindsey, you're on with Alex Jones.



LINDSEY: Hey, how are ye? I just wanna tell ye that this whole thing is * bs. My friend, Jeff Bauman, is lying in the hospital with his legs missing and all you conspiracy theorist douchebags are going around trying to say he's a wounded soldier that lost his legs in Afghanistan. It's * bs.



JONES: Alright, let me stop you, ma'am. Ma'am, ma'am, this stuff is not all just black and white. So, did you ever think that the White House regulation [inaudible] 16 wrote not one but two papers at Harvard and Chicago Business the year before he was made...



LINDSEY: I don't give a * what happened. Because you wanna know why [I don't care about that?]...



JONES: Because you are in the emotion right now. I'm telling you, blood drinking Easter bunnies are coming for you right now. Okay, I know this is about feeling good, feeling validated ... [Lot's of interruption] ... Take all your vaccines. ... Listen, they are gonna have schizophrenics - and I get this, the real question is what's conspiracy and what isn't. What has red flags, what doesn't. There are crazy people that think I am Bill Hicks, okay? Let's get something straight: He was a very funny guy, a great guy, anti-gun, I'm not Bill Hicks, okay? There are people that think everything is actors, that everything is fake. I think Sandy Hook happened. I think Aurora happened. There were some people on the news that acted very...



LINDSEY: So why don't you comment on the people that are saying that my friend Jeff Bauman, who is lying in the hospital with his legs * missing...



JONES: [Murmuring:] Well, you're very excited that it's your friend, I understand [that that is very exciting].



LINDSEY: ... is an injured Afghanistan vet. Why don't you comment on that? Why don't you comment on that? Why don't you put that to rest?



JONES: Well, ma'am, number one, number one, have you ever been... Ma'am? Your lordship? Have you been to Infowars.com?



LINDSEY: No, I don't need to go to Infowars.com. I know the person personally. Why don't you comment on what I'm talking about? ... If you have a shred of decency, you'll quell the rumor!



JONES: Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am ... I'm saying the New York Times reported that the FBI has a history of [fielding] mentally ill and unstable people,whether they be left-right, right-wing, or Muslim, or whatever the case is. And they call it winding them up, giving them everything, being their commander, giving them money, saying that a getaway car will be waiting for you, we'll fly you out. You know, to the virgins, with mustaches, or whatever.



HOST: [laughing about Jones' evasiveness - again]...



LINDSEY: Oh my God...



JONES: So what I'm saying is, they have a motive to get our control out of it. So I'm saying we shouldn't give up out liberties and we should look at all groups doing it and also criminal elements in government or foreign corporations, because they have a history of doing this sometimes."



HOSTS: [More laughing:] But she's asking you to address one subject, Alex. ... [multiple hosts jump in]...



LINDSEY: I went to Chelmsford High School with that person. His name is Jeff Bauman. Both my sister and I attended high school with him. We know him. And he's lying in the hospital bed and all these people are reposting that picture saying what a piece of * he is and this and that and saying that he is a wounded veteran and he's not. ... And it really makes me mad ... that people are using my friend as a * prop.



JONES: Please, for God's sake, what I'm trying to get at, ma'am, is this is the internet. There are 7.5 billion people, 3 or 4 billion of them are online. People are gonna say that the photo of your friend is real...



LINDSEY: And a lot of them follow you and all you have to say is that it is not true. ... That's all you have to do.



JONES: Well, you're not listening. Listen, listen. Ah, I understand, I understand. Listen, I have a tendency when a woman is kinda whining and not listen to kinda leave the room. Okay, ma'am, let me just calmly tell you something. The internet is billions of people. I cannot keep track of every cockamamie conspiracy theory going on on the internet and sit there and debunk them. I just told you...



HOSTS: Alright, Alex! Alex! But do you believe what she is saying to be the truth?



JONES: Absolutely, I'm not aware of what she is talking about, but I'm sure it's true, because they lied to us about WMDs and they lie to us about so many other things. A large portion of the people don't believe that anything is real. They take a nonsense in the toilet and they think it's a space alien. And I get that and I'm sorry and I'm sure that your friend did get his legs blown off and I'm personally sick of people attributing to me all the wild conspiracy theories that are out there...



What is incredible here is that Jones actually admitted - to some degree at least - that he doesn't believe in a particular theory, but it took four people continually steering him back to one particular question for about five minutes. And even then Jones changes subjects at the blink of an eye. Even more worrying maybe is Jones' utter contempt for and complete lack of sympathy for the caller from almost the very first second. Her friend had his legs blown off and he's repeatedly mocking her and incoherently throwing 50 different unrelated conspiracy theories in her face instead of just answering the question. It's actually the hosts who have to ask how her friend is doing. While the caller is trying to explain the victim's situation, Jones just interrupts her and starts another random rant involving the "U.S. polio programme that has paralyzed 67,000 kids" and once again Obama's "1,000 pound bomb [that] kills 200 innocent people [at a wedding]."



He's behaving like an absolute madman. All he had to do was express a little sympathy and say something along the lines as: "I don't believe that theory at all and I cannot be held responsible for every theory that gets thrown around on the internet." The caller even admits at one point that Jones is not responsible for other people's theories and so do the hosts. From there Jones could have brought up a number of genuine questions surrounding the Boston bombing and explain in general terms that similar questions have been left unanswered in a number of previous terrorist attacks, most notably 9/11. This is basically how any sane person would have handled the situation. Jones, on the other hand, is enforcing the stereotype that conspiracy theorists are annoying, inconsiderate, asocial, irrational and obsessive-compulsive individuals who have no evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy.



The bickering between the caller and Alex Jones continues for another 10 minutes. Apparently a little flustered and frustrated, not knowing how to handle the situation, Jones at one point replies with:

JONES: Let me just tell you something. I grew up in Dallas, Texas, with my family doing things like, uh, helping take in East German defectors, okay? Whenever I go to a family reunion, half of the people in the room are former or retired CIA. And do you know what they tell me? They tell me I'm dead on, a hundred percent absolutely right. (mp3)



Based on the ''What?!'' comment uttered by one of the hosts when Jones admits these ties, it appears he was thinking what most followers of Jones will be wondering when reading or hearing this admission: A) aren't these CIA ties suspicious? And B) why are we only learning about this now?



"My dad, CIA dentist"



Less than two months after the Opie & Anthony interview, on June 10, 2014, and on his own radio show, Jones provided more detail on his family's CIA background. In this instance Jones was talking about his father, David Jones, a respected Austin-based dentist, having carried out dental work for high level CIA officers back in the 1980s. Apparently some of the dentistry was done without anesthetics and under supervision. Jones doesn't really expand on this, but apparently these procedures were done to prevent CIA officers from giving away any national security secrets while under the influence of anesthetics. Jones:

"Yeah, there's just all kinds of weird experiments going on and just stuff that is off the charts. And it's industrial level.



"I'm not bragging when I say that when, in the 80's - because late 80's my mom and dad had multiple discussions - and my dad would say, "Let's talk about it privately," and stuff like that, with my mom, so I never heard all of it, and he won't talk about it today - where the CIA tried to hire him, because I had some family that did stuff for the CIA, to be inducted in Maryland into literal, below ground bases for a four-year secret tour. And they were hiring other top dentists that were pioneering implants. My dad pioneered implants and would, you know, taught it at medical school and all that. ... And it was literally, they just said, "It's cybernetics, it's highly advanced," and it was $400,000 a year, way more than he was making then, and he owned dental offices. And he said, "No," because my dad did work at the medical school. He was someone who would do medical procedures on high level CIA people. They would come to him and then they would not allow deadening. They would have people there watching while he did procedures on people, just because they can't be put under. That was back during the Cold War. And so my dad did do that. He'll probably get mad I'm even telling this. But the whole point is, what this guy was talking about, it's reportedly really bad what is going on. ...



"And it, it, it's just, it's just, from what I've been told by high level people - not my dad, he was just, went and interviewed, and was told about it and, um, uh, it's just, it's just, it's just, we're not in Kansas is what I'm trying to tell people." (mp3)



The uncle from Guatemala



August 8, 2014, Alex Jones interviewing cousin Buckley Hamman.



The show continued like nothing out of the ordinary was admitted. Additional disclosures were to follow another two months later and again on Alex Jones' own radio show. On August 8, 2014 he invited his cousin Buckley Hamman to talk about the situation in Guatemala in order to make the case to his audience that immigration from areas like these needs to be highly restricted (which I actually totally agree with). Back in 1993 Hamman helped Alex Jones get on the air and a few years later also served as a co-founder of the Infowars website and radio show. Hamman soon left for Chicago to work for more mainstream media outlets, but in recent years has joined the Infowars team again. These aspects are briefly mentioned during the podcast.



Just as important is information provided about Buckley's father, William ''Biff'' Hamman, who was an uncle to Alex Jones. Biff Hamman had died earlier that year, in January 2014. The discussion between Jones and his cousin went as follows:

JONES: So we're gonna talk to Buckley Hamman, my cousin, who helped start Infowars 19 years ago... So your dad is down there [in Guatemala] as a school administrator and also has lots of property growing coffee and a lot of his buddies moved down there after Vietnam so there was a lot of government people there as well. And he might have flown some planes for some folks as another job because he was pilot. So you have this government district...



HAMMAN: I was born in 1974 in Guatemala City in the Aurora Hospital down there and I lived there until I was about 11 years old. We came back in 1986. ... The first story I'm going to tell is of some friends of my parents before I was even one year old. So one day the wife and the young boy [my friend] went down to the market and a bomb exploded nearby them and they were both severely injured. The little boy, Jonas, died. ...



JONES: Was that a loving communist bomb that killed him?



HAMMAN: Exactly, it was a loving communist bomb. Another story is that my mom and I were down town at one point, going to the bank if I remember correctly. We were in the bank and a car bomb blew up outside. All the plaster was coming off the walls, etc. ...



Another story that I have is that we used to drive together in a sort of an armored car to go to school and one time we were coming off of an exit of a highway [and] a bunch of people just shot the car in front of us. Our driver went off the road and went off roading and drove off and we just saw the aftermath of that. ... My mom reminded me today, when we were driving around she played a game where she would say, ''Duck!'', and we would all have to duck, you know, and she was really just preparing us for the next time there was a fuselage of bullets and guns.



JONES: And, of course, guns were banned there, but it was a total hell hole. Just like Mexico. ...



HAMMAN: The second time my brother [Peter Hamman] was kidnapped was for political reasons, oddly. ... He was kidnapped by the ... left-wing military insurgents and their plan is that they wanted to have some of their local cronies from prison that had been captured. ... We were familiar there with some of the people in government there in Guatemala and he was kidnapped and basically they were demanding that they release some prisoners they had for his release. And the story that goes is that they made the exchange and they followed the people back to where their safehouse was and then they attacked the safehouse. They busted into the safehouse and they found plans to basically attack the neighborhood where we lived, which was full of military people and lots of middle to upper class people. [Subsequently] there was a big assault that happened in my backyard. The insurgents tried to get in [over the walls] and the military rebuffed them. I mean, there were a lot of casualties. ...



I [also] remember there was a lot of fear in Guatemala regarding incriminations and different people who would attack other people.



JONES: People would tattle to send the government after you? Those stories? They tried to claim your HAM radio stuff was terrorist or something?



HAMMAN: Yeah, my dad had been a HAM radio [enthusiast] since he was young. Exactly, he was one of the youngest people to ever get a HAM radio license and obviously he operated a HAM radio down there with it [rolls eyes]. ... This was before the internet, before international phone lines even went down to third world countries like Guatemala, or were reliable. Uh, but yeah, that's true. People would say that he was working for the CIA. They would say he was working for the other side. It was just a very convoluted thing. And the government literally came and confiscated all of his equipment and made him shut down his HAM radio operation, you know. And he was really just an enthusiast. (mp3)



Even before the HAM radio incident is mentioned, one can't help but wonder: was this guy CIA or something? Here we have an army veteran from Vietnam who becomes a well-to-do coffee plantation owner living in a Latin America country wrecked by continuous warfare between CIA/U.S. government-backed elements on the one hand and communist and nationalist forces on the other. He gets a Ph.D. in Latin American studies, has additional useful skills to special operations groups as a HAM radio operator and helicopter pilot, and, in addition, lives in a special high society American community in a country with only a handful Americans in it in the first place. The only doubt seeded here is by Jones and Hamman, who are very open about their father and the involvement of the CIA in Guatemala. While both are mentioned in William Hamman's January 2014 obituary [119], it appears no one had drawn attention to it at that point. They themselves are now responsible for the emerging controversy surrounding their father/uncle.



Innocent uncle becomes ''Oliver North of the army''



So, throughout 2015 the situation is that we're having suspicions that Alex Jones' uncle William "Biff" Hamman from Guatemala might have been some kind of CIA or army special operations operative back in the 1980s. Jones and Hamman deny this.



Then, on December 19, 2015, UFC of Fox 17 comes along, which coincides with a 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu event in Austin, organized by Eddie Bravo, at the new Onnit Academy of Aubrey Marcus. The careers of Bravo and Marcus have largely been built by UFC commentator and comedian Joe Rogan, a good friend of Alex Jones since about 1999, back in the day that Jones broke into the Bohemian Grove with Jon Ronson and was rebuilding David Koresh' church at Waco. Their friendship appears to have been built on a mutual interest in conspiracy and a mutual admiration for comedian Bill Hicks. A whole other article can be dedicated to Rogan's clique, but what's important here is that Jones decided to stop by, drink a few beers, and talk a little on Aubrey's podcast. Hearing that Jones had appeared on the podcast, I immediately looked it up to see if he made any interesting personal revelations. And did he ever. During the Nick Diaz-Michael Johnson fight, the following discussion went on:

SHANE STEINER: When you would come in during first period, first period, maybe like 8 in the morning, and he would sit down and go: ''I can't believe what I found out last night. Have you ever heard of Bilderberg?'' And he'd slide over a file folder. And I would think, ''Man, what class is this for?'' And he would go, ''Oh no, no, this is just a little thing I'm doing on the side.'' ... We were like seniors in high school.



AUBREY MARCUS: How young did it start? Were you like 8 years old when you started making crazy * up? Were your parents like doing it? ...



EDDIE BRAVO: Yeah, how did you get into conspiracy theory? Remember your first memories?



ALEX JONES: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'll tell you something... [Grabs mike.] A few times I would hear Shane later going, ''Oh, there's just no way that this is true. You ought to hear this one. That's good.'' [Note: Is that all?]



BRAVO: [Intercepts mike, as Jones tries to give it back to Shane.] Yeah, yeah, but how did you get into - do you remember your first memories of conspiracy theories? What got you into it? Do you remember? For me it was...



JONES: I remember my...



STEINER: Your uncle or something.



JONES: I remember [my cousin] Buckley [Hamman], whose dad passed away, my uncle, my mom's brother [William Hamman]. He was like an army commander in Guatemala and he was kinda like the Oliver North of the army.



BRAVO: Who was that? Your mother's brother? Your uncle?



JONES: Yeah, yeah. And he just told us a bunch of wild stuff, basically. So I grew up hearing about that and then some other people in the family. I bet [UFC fighter] Tim Kennedy can actually tell us a lot of stuff, because that's actually who they use in clandestine stuff. It's like army special forces people. They always have. So that's actually - it's not, like, James Bond out there killing people. It's army special forces. Yeah, exactly, it's Kennedy. Hey, we learned today he is a listener ... Yeah, so kinda grew up hearing about this stuff. I just had a bunch of family in the army, special operations, and so I kinda heard that. Here you go, Steiner. (mp3)



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December 19, 2015, Onnit podcast, f.l.t.r.: Shane Steiner, 10th Planet instructor, Eddie Bravo, Alex Jones, Aubrey Marcus, W. M.



Isn't that interesting? All of a sudden Alex Jones' uncle William Hamman is promoted from a relatively innocent "Christian missionary and school teacher" to "an army commander [who] was kinda like the Oliver North of the army." In other words, Jones confirms every suspicion the average person would have about his uncle: that in Guatemala he was acting on behalf of the CIA and/or army special forces community. Did he have the status of a Colonel Oliver North, who was directly in touch with CIA director William Casey and the top of the army special operations crowd? I sincerely doubt it. Hamman may have been an asset used as a liaison, helicopter pilot or geopolitical advisor, but he doesn't seem to have had the background for the really dirty work. But we already discussed this aspect. The new revelation is what matters here.



Guatemala: decades of CIA, ASC and CNP-backed death squads against the poor



Let's have a little discussion about Guatemalan politics. When Buckley Hamman is talking about a "civil war" in Guatemala, with Jones clarifying Hamman and friends were victims of "loving communist bombs", they are essentially lying to their audience by not providing the big picture. Guatemala was about class war, not civil war.

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Hunting "commies" in Guatemala.



When we read up on all the different administrations that ruled Guatemala since the 1954 combined Eisenhower-United Fruit-CIA coup, we find that just about every Guatemalan president, backed by different U.S. administrations, deployed heavy-duty death squats to keep the left out of power. For decades the Guatemalan population has been fighting one terrorist government after another - governments that were protecting the interests of United Fruit, foreign and domestic oil and mineral corporations, and wealthy land owners (Hamman seemingly among them), all of which were stealing as much land as possible from small-time farmers. These farmers and their families were expected to be slaves on the elites' giant banana, coffee and sugar plantations. If they protested, some plantation owners, like Knight of Malta Roberto Alejos Arzu, a key liaison of American Security Council and Council for National Policy representatives, had them tortured and murdered. [120]



Of course, one expects that the Soviets supported the left-wing guerrilla to an extent, preferably the most extremist aspects, but they were simply capitalizing on the genocidal policies of the Guatemalan military leaders and their U.S. supporters. People weren't looking for a communist or capitalist style dictatorship; they just wanted basic human rights, a small piece of land to sustain their families, and free democratic elections. That's it. While terrorist attacks that cost innocent lives are always hard to justify, the bomb attacks Buckley Hamman was describing were focused on government buildings and major banks and corporations during periods of intense death squad activity aimed at the population. Only a portion of the resistance supported these bombings, but just about every poor person opposed the government. At the same time it has to be acknowledged that anyone who openly protested, risked being shot or, maybe worse, send to the torture chamber, along with their friends and family members.



In order for the reader to understand the situation in Guatemala, a basic summary of all Guatemalan administrations since the 1954 U.S. coup can be found below. There are no secret sources here. The Wikipedia pages of all the relevant presidents provide almost all the facts, including proper sources.

President and Term



Details

Col. Carlos Castillo Armas

Sep. 1954 - Jul. 1957

Takes power in the infamous Eisenhower-CIA-United Fruit-backed coup (Truman had no interest) against Jacobo Arbenz. Bans illiterates from voting, constituting 50% of the population, and crushes the rights of farmers and all other leftists. He reestablishes the secret police. His National Committee of Defense Against Communism becomes Guatemala's first modern death squad, although these won't reach their full "potential" until the 1970s.



In 1957 Armas is shot to death by palace guard Rameo Vasquez, who shortly after decides to commit suicide. Only with Armas' death does United Fruit get its land back that was confiscated by Arbenz.

Col. Guillermo Flores Avendano

Oct. 1957 - Mar. 1958

Minister of defense in the next government.

Gen. Miguel Ydígoras Fuentes

Mar. 1958 - Mar. 1963

Autocratic right-wing rule in close collaboration with the U.S. government. In 1960 military officers rebel and form to the 13th November revolutionary guerrilla to try and overthrow Fuentes.

Col. Enrique Peralta Azurdia

Mar. 1963 - Jul. 1966

Overthrows Fuentes to prevent his loss to a center-left political candidate. Green berets and CIA officers are send in beginning in 1965 to help subdue leftist guerilla elements. Death squads began to emerge again.

Julio César Méndez

Jul. 1966 - Jul. 1970

The only civilian Guatemalan president in the 1954-1986 period. Considered a puppet of the military and the U.S. Days after taking office, U.S. Colonel John Webber Jr. arrives in the country to train a 5,000 member anti-communist counterinsurgency army, greatly intensifying "white terror" death squad activity. Leading U.S.-backed death squads at the time include SCUGA, Mano Blanca, the New Anticommunist Organization, and the Anticommunist Council of Guatemala.

Col. Carlos Arana Osorio

Jul. 1970 - Jul. 1974

Major death squad leader under Mendez in the late 1960s. He is also appointed ambassador to Nicaragua, then under the right-wing CIA-backed Somoza regime. Despite minimal leftist activism, Arana instates a "State of Siege" months after his "election" and increases secret police and death squad activity to even higher levels than before. Infamously states: "If it is necessary to turn the country into a cemetery in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so."

Gen. Kjell Laugerud

Jul. 1974 - Jul. 1978

Received military officer's training in the U.S. early in his career. Guatemalan delegate to the Inter-American Defense Board 1968-1970. Army chief of staff and defense minister under Arana's murderous regime. Subsequently his presidency is backed by all right-wing forces. Continues the usual death squad activity, albeit less intense than Arana, also in part due to a major 1976 earthquake that causes a lot of damage in Guatemala, giving people something else to worry about..

Gen. Romeo Lucas Garcia

Jul. 1978 - Jul. 1982

Increases the death squad activity when widespread leftist protests against mineral and oil companies, as well as the suppression of farmers, increases. It soon approaches the level of the "State of Siege" under Arana. In response, leftist guerillas, with active support of a huge chunk of the population, begin to assassinate right-wing officers and land barons. In addition, by 1980-1981, government buildings, elite banks, commercial and agricultural centers become the target of leftist bombings. The Guatemalan government, aided by the incoming Reagan administration, cracks down even harder and becomes known as the worst human rights violator in the hemisphere.

Gen. Efrain Rios Montt

Mar. 1982 - Aug. 1983

Veteran of the notorious U.S.-based School of the Americas, which has trained a number of U.S.-allied Latin American death squad leaders. Played a minor role in the 1954 CIA coup against Jacobo Arbenz. Deputy Army chief of staff under the murderous Mendez regime in the late 1960s. Army chief of staff under the even more murderous Arana regime in the early 1970s. Minister in the California-based evangelical Church of the World since 1978. Overthrows Garcia in March 1982, which he apparently considers too weak to control the masses. Greatly intensifies death squad activity against leftist guerillas and all suspected leftist sympathizers. Instantly receives major support of his evangelical colleagues and friends: U.S. reverends Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, both of the Council for National Policy. In May 2013 Montt is convicted of genocide and crimes against humanity, but for the time being this has been overturned, largely due to his age and declining health.

Gen. Oscar Humberto Meija

Aug. 1983 - Jan. 1986

Defense minister under Montt and responsible for overthrowing him for many different reasons: 1) Montt was preaching an evangelical, messianic born-again type of Christianity; 2) he had alienated the middle class with the value-added tax; 3) he relied too much on a group of junior officers (the "seven dwarfs") at the expense of the old guard; 4) he was unwilling to seek compromise with the United States, which, at least officially, was unable to provide Guatemala with foreign aid since 1977, when Carter came into power. The week before the coup, Meija was meeting with high level military officials and the defense ministers of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador, who all aided him in the coup.



Despite the foreign help, death squad activity against the left will continue under Meija, although less intense because Montt has largely broken the resistance. At this point up to half-a-million peasants have been driven from their homes and forced to live and work in concentration camps and plantations of wealthy land barons.

Vinicio Cerezo

Jan. 1986 - Jan. 1991

Cerezo is not part of the military establishment. Soon after he becomes president, the Iran-Contra Affair breaks in the United States, paralyzing the Reagan administrations' support for Latin American death squad elements. Under Cerezo Guatemala slowly begins to switch towards a more normal political situation, although military-backed death squads remain active and on various occasions Cerezo is forced to appease this element.



As the reader may have noticed when reading up on Guatemalan political history, the brief administration of Rios Montt is usually singled out as particular brutal. This is only because Montt was convicted of genocide in 2013. There really was little difference between Montt and just about every other Guatemalan presidency. That makes it all the more worrying that Buckley Hamman has admitted that his father was a coffee plantation owner close enough to people in the (murderous) Guatemalan government that leftist guerrillas thought it productive to kidnap Buckley's brother in order to try and blackmail the government. It very much appears as if William Hamman was supportive of the government's death squad activity or at the very least was content to look the other way. A few questions that I personally have about the elder Hamman:



Why did he voluntarily come to a hell hole called Guatemala after Vietnam? Weren't he and his buddies not just relocated to take possession of economic interests (land) and help fight another covert war?

Why did he stay there, with his family being subjected to bombings and kidnappings left and right?

Why did the family, or parts of it, leave in 1986 when the Iran Contra scandal broke, all ultraright U.S. involvement in the region was forcibly halted, and, with the election of the civilian Vinicio Cerezo, death squad activity began to decrease? Things are finally getting better and the Hamman family leaves town?

When was his HAM radio equipment seized? By the Cerezo government in 1986? Or by what officials exactly? Granted, different right-wing factions were plotting coups against each other and a lot of these dictators are ultranationalists, but what is certain is that all of Guatemala's military governments received backing from the U.S., thus a little additional clarification would be most helpful.



The fact that William Hamman was a "Christian missionary and school teacher" also does little to dispel suspicions of him having been an ultraright death squad supporter. Religious extremism has been a driving force behind violence for millennia. The American Security Council and Council for National Policy network had and has plenty of religious extremists among its ranks. In fact, as mentioned, the murderous Rios Montt went to priest-school and was a close ally of televangelists and CNP members Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Montt and his defense minister and presidential successor, General Oscar Meija, were also receiving aide from General Harry Aderholt, one of the closest colleagues and subordinates of General John Singlaub, through his Air Commando Association. [121] Considering Hamman was both a Christian missionary and a pilot, it makes one wonder if he knew any of these individuals and to what extent he got along with them.

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General John Singlaub, a bigger fish than Colonel Oliver North ever was. Did he happen to know Alex Jones' uncle William Hamman? According to Jones, they were in the exact same business.



Furthermore, it would be interesting to know if the elder Hamman knew Guatemalan sugar plantation owner Roberto Alejos Arzu and his American Security Council allies General John Singlaub and General Daniel Graham, both governors of the Council for National Policy, along with Pat Robertson. Already back in 1979 and 1980, before Robertson and Falwell prominently jumped out of the fascist closet with their vocal support of Rios Montt, Singlaub and Graham were quietly cooperating with Arzu and Guatemala's murderous president General Romeo Garcia in developing ever more efficient "counterinsurgency operations" as part of an American Security Council "Task Force on Central America", which also included General Alexander Haig and General Richard Stilwell. [122] Interestingly, this group was flown around by helicopter, so once again we are forced to ask if possibly William Hamman was among these helicopter pilots - or maybe one of his buddies. It might be a long shot, but it's certainly not out of the question. Village Voice, 1991:

"When AmeriCares decided Nicaragua had earned assistance, rightist Cardinal Miguel Obando y Bravo went to the airport to receive the first shipment, and the well-connected Knights of Malta distributed it. President Bush's son Marvin was aboard the next AmeriCares flight, which arrived just days after Chamorro's inauguration. He was met by a Knights of Malta ambassador by the name of Roberto Alejos Arzu, who, beyond his recent role as an avuncular dispenser of charity, has a long history of association with some of Central America's most reactionary elements. ...



"Alejos's links to the Reagan-Bush administrations go back to 1979, when he hosted a delegation from the private military lobby, the American Security Council (ASC). The group, led by generals Singlaub (later of Iran-contra fame) and Daniel Graham, met with the president of Guatemala and took helicopter tours of rural counterinsurgency operations. Alejos later came to California and met with Reagan. ...



"Using tactics developed in Vietnam--and promoted there by AmeriCares advisory board member general Stilwell--the Guatemalan army has pursued a brutal scorched-earth policy, bombing and forcing the abandonment of whole villages. In 1983, more than a quarter of the 4 million Indians living in the highlands were pushed from their land, according to the Guatemalan Council of Bishops. Many tens of thousands have died, and the number of orphans is estimated in the hundreds of thousands." [123]



The Knight of Malta-ran Americares "charity", largely overseen by the Bush family and of which Stilwell (along with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Colin Powell and other elites) was a director, and Covenant House, the Guatemalan branch counting old CIA asset Roberto Alejos Arzu as one of its most important patrons, has been linked to more than a few child abuse accusations. [124] Senator John DeCamp even wrote, "According to intelligence community sources, the purpose [of Covenant House in Guatemala] was procurement of children from South America for exploitation in a pedophile ring." [125] Just one more indication that it would be really bad for William Hamman's reputation to have been affiliated with this crowd in one way or another.



Counterinsurgency operations, of course, were an euphemism for the usual death squad activity these men were promoting. As demonstrated by ISGP, the American Security Council has worked with an endless amount of death squad leaders. One of those that really needs to be mentioned here is Guatemala's Mario Sandoval Alarcon. [126] Alarcon had been thrown in jail in the early 1950s for trying to undermine Jacobo Arbenz's government. After Arbenz was overthrown by CIA asset Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas, Alarcon became his private secretary. [127] Since the 1954 coup his party, the Movement for National Liberation, which he described as the "party of organized violence", represented "the most conservative landowners and industrialists [and was] Guatemala's most powerful political force, though they never won the presidency." [128] Alarcon is seen as a mentor to notorious El Salvador death squad leader Roberto d'Aubuisson (School of the Americas veteran, Western Goals patron and fellow American Security Council liaison). [129] In the 1974-1978 period Alarcon served as vice president in the death squat-supporting government of General Kjell Laugerud. Starting around this period the first batch of CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contras were trained on land owned by Alarcon. [130] In 1982 his presidential aspirations were thwarted by the coup of Rioss Montt, another clear favorite of the ultraright fascists in and around the Reagan administration. In 1986 Alarcon lost the election to a more moderate Vinicio Cerez, but even in this period he remained a feared man behind the scenes and the situation was anything but safe, even for Cerez:

"The terror is aimed at forcing people to vote for the right," said Vicinio Cerezo, the leader of Guatemala's Christian Democratic Party, a very brave man who has attended the funerals of dozens of his party workers over the years. But the only real question in the Guatemalan election on July 1 is which part of the right will win. Without army intervention, the winner would all too likely be the National Liberation Movement (MLN), whose leader, Mario Sandoval Alarcon, once described it as "the party of organized terror."



"If elected, he promised a senior Western diplomat recently, his party would put all suspected subversives in front of a firing squad. A government led by Sandoval Alarcon would condemn Guatemala to international ostracism: "It'd be like trying to sell Hitler," a U.S. diplomat in Guatemala City said.



"So the army, which has ruled Guatemala since the last more or less representative government was overthrown by a CIA-backed invasion in 1954, has moved to safeguard its power. It has created a new "official" party which will keep the self-declared fascists of the MLN and their 5,000-man private army in the background. Aided by total military control of the countryside, and an estimated 50 murders or disappearances a week in the capital since the death squads were unleashed again in February, the army's party is guaranteed to win." [131]



While Alarcon never managed to rise beyond the vice presidency, he does represent additional evidence that there was no shortage of death squad-supporting Guatemalan presidents and presidential candidates who had aligned their interests with reactionary elements in the United States, elements that Alex Jones has been trying to shield from inquiry. Remember that despite official embargoes, elements of the Council for National Policy and American Security Council always backed the most violent political candidates. The fact that Jones is brushing under the carpet the kidnapping, torturing, raping and murdering of labor union leaders, intellectuals, students, or anyone vaguely defined as "enemies of the state" by ultraright, CNP/ASC-backed death squads, is extremely worrying and really should cause an outcry among his audience. Whether they are gun enthusiasts or not really shouldn't matter.



What is also important to note here is that this entire section was written well before I heard Alex Jones praise Howard Phillips and, indirectly, Richard Viguerie, two key CNP leaders and American Security Council-linked liaisons to Latin American death squad leaders and CIA drug traffickers. In case of Phillips and Viguerie, they are known to have met with Nicaragua's Colonel Enrique Bermudez and El Salvador's Roberto D'Aubuisson. Clearly there's a pattern here between Jones' family and the support he gives out for certain individuals. We definitely need to dig for more information.



PART IV...... PART IIIThe John Birch Society toddlerjohn-birch-society-magazine-the-new-american-cover-obamaThe long-time John Birch Society magazine: The New American.While massively expanded here, the above information is basically how far ISGP took the subject of Alex Jones in the 2014 Cult of National Security Trolls article. Since then, and even before that, it turns out Jones has actually admitted on multiple occasions that he comes from a CIA and army special forces family, one which might well be directly linked to the above-mentioned members of the Council for National Policy and the American Security Council. That makes a lot of sense, of course, but hearing these admissions come from Alex Jones' mouth himself is still quite remarkable.As of this writing, January 17, 2016, Alex Jones' Wikipedia page doesn't say a word about him having received any kind of inspiration about researching the Eastern Establishment from CIA or army special forces-linked family members. It only explains that Jones' father was a dentist, an occupation that can hardly arouse less suspicion of secret CIA and army Intelligence plots. For the most part Jones' early years as described on Wikipedia are based on a March 2011 profile of him in Rolling Stone, in which Jones explains that local police corruption in the Dallas suburb he grew up in, as well as John Birch Society influences from neighbors since he was about two years old, put him on the path of exposing government corruption. His major breakthrough came when, as a teenager, he read the John Birch Society classic None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen, a book he found on his father's bookshelf. [118]A first Opie & Anthony admissionIt appears Alex Jones made a first brief transgression regarding his family history during an April 17, 2013 appearance on the Opie & Anthony Show, with comedian Jim Norton acting as a third host. Listening to the show, it once again become clear why I never could stand to listen to Jones. He's just ranting and raving non-stop, skipping from subject to subject, and literally doesn't properly answer a single question. It's actually even worse than it used to be. First the hosts are trying to figure out his exact opinion on the Boston Marathon Bombing. Jones goes from a few brief sentences involving a "90% percent" certainty of a "false flag" by the "military-industrial complex" to a rant of Obama ordering drone hits on weddings. Then for 10 minutes the hosts try to figure out any alternative Jones might have to the TSA and how exactly the TSA infringes on civil liberties. Jones never directly answers the questions. He just keeps ranting about Dachau, Auschwitz, TSA agents dragging children to private rooms and groping wives, MKULTRA, truth serum, elites plotting to destroy our economy, and finally "boiling baths of peanut oil ... to make sure there are no explosives in our testicles."At that point a caller to the show, Lindsey, starts to confront Jones on one particular aspect of the Boston Marathon Bombing. Again Jones refuses to provide a direct answer, at least for the first several minutes. A partial transcript follows:JONES: ... and the boiling peanut oil will neutralize the explosives, uh.HOST: Okay, listen, someone in Boston wants in badly. It's Lindsey, you're on with Alex Jones.LINDSEY: Hey, how are ye? I just wanna tell ye that this whole thing is * bs. My friend, Jeff Bauman, is lying in the hospital with his legs missing and all you conspiracy theorist douchebags are going around trying to say he's a wounded soldier that lost his legs in Afghanistan. It's * bs.JONES: Alright, let me stop you, ma'am. Ma'am, ma'am, this stuff is not all just black and white. So, did you ever think that the White House regulation [inaudible] 16 wrote not one but two papers at Harvard and Chicago Business the year before he was made...LINDSEY: I don't give a * what happened. Because you wanna know why [I don't care about that?]...JONES: Because you are in the emotion right now. I'm telling you, blood drinking Easter bunnies are coming for you right now. Okay, I know this is about feeling good, feeling validated ... [Lot's of interruption] ... Take all your vaccines. ... Listen, they are gonna have schizophrenics - and I get this, the real question is what's conspiracy and what isn't. What has red flags, what doesn't. There are crazy people that think I am Bill Hicks, okay? Let's get something straight: He was a very funny guy, a great guy, anti-gun, I'm not Bill Hicks, okay? There are people that think everything is actors, that everything is fake. I think Sandy Hook happened. I think Aurora happened. There were some people on the news that acted very...LINDSEY: So why don't you comment on the people that are saying that my friend Jeff Bauman, who is lying in the hospital with his legs * missing...JONES: [Murmuring:] Well, you're very excited that it's your friend, I understand [that that is very exciting].LINDSEY: ... is an injured Afghanistan vet. Why don't you comment on that? Why don't you comment on that? Why don't you put that to rest?JONES: Well, ma'am, number one, number one, have you ever been... Ma'am? Your lordship? Have you been to Infowars.com?LINDSEY: No, I don't need to go to Infowars.com. I know the person personally. Why don't you comment on what I'm talking about? ... If you have a shred of decency, you'll quell the rumor!JONES: Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am ... I'm saying the New York Times reported that the FBI has a history of [fielding] mentally ill and unstable people,whether they be left-right, right-wing, or Muslim, or whatever the case is. And they call it winding them up, giving them everything, being their commander, giving them money, saying that a getaway car will be waiting for you, we'll fly you out. You know, to the virgins, with mustaches, or whatever.HOST: [laughing about Jones' evasiveness - again]...LINDSEY: Oh my God...JONES: So what I'm saying is, they have a motive to get our control out of it. So I'm saying we shouldn't give up out liberties and we should look at all groups doing it and also criminal elements in government or foreign corporations, because they have a history of doing this sometimes."HOSTS: [More laughing:] But she's asking you to address one subject, Alex. ... [multiple hosts jump in]...LINDSEY: I went to Chelmsford High School with that person. His name is Jeff Bauman. Both my sister and I attended high school with him. We know him. And he's lying in the hospital bed and all these people are reposting that picture saying what a piece of * he is and this and that and saying that he is a wounded veteran and he's not. ... And it really makes me mad ... that people are using my friend as a * prop.JONES: Please, for God's sake, what I'm trying to get at, ma'am, is this is the internet. There are 7.5 billion people, 3 or 4 billion of them are online. People are gonna say that the photo of your friend is real...LINDSEY: And a lot of them follow you and all you have to say is that it is not true. ... That's all you have to do.JONES: Well, you're not listening. Listen, listen. Ah, I understand, I understand. Listen, I have a tendency when a woman is kinda whining and not listen to kinda leave the room. Okay, ma'am, let me just calmly tell you something. The internet is billions of people. I cannot keep track of every cockamamie conspiracy theory going on on the internet and sit there and debunk them. I just told you...HOSTS: Alright, Alex! Alex! But do you believe what she is saying to be the truth?JONES: Absolutely, I'm not aware of what she is talking about, but I'm sure it's true, because they lied to us about WMDs and they lie to us about so many other things. A large portion of the people don't believe that anything is real. They take a nonsense in the toilet and they think it's a space alien. And I get that and I'm sorry and I'm sure that your friend did get his legs blown off and I'm personally sick of people attributing to me all the wild conspiracy theories that are out there...What is incredible here is that Jones actually admitted - to some degree at least - that he doesn't believe in a particular theory, but it took four people continually steering him back to one particular question for about five minutes. And even then Jones changes subjects at the blink of an eye. Even more worrying maybe is Jones' utter contempt for and complete lack of sympathy for the caller from almost the very first second. Her friend had his legs blown off and he's repeatedly mocking her and incoherently throwing 50 different unrelated conspiracy theories in her face instead of just answering the question. It's actually the hosts who have to ask how her friend is doing. While the caller is trying to explain the victim's situation, Jones just interrupts her and starts another random rant involving the "U.S. polio programme that has paralyzed 67,000 kids" and once again Obama's "1,000 pound bomb [that] kills 200 innocent people [at a wedding]."He's behaving like an absolute madman. All he had to do was express a little sympathy and say something along the lines as: "I don't believe that theory at all and I cannot be held responsible for every theory that gets thrown around on the internet." The caller even admits at one point that Jones is not responsible for other people's theories and so do the hosts. From there Jones could have brought up a number of genuine questions surrounding the Boston bombing and explain in general terms that similar questions have been left unanswered in a number of previous terrorist attacks, most notably 9/11. This is basically how any sane person would have handled the situation. Jones, on the other hand, is enforcing the stereotype that conspiracy theorists are annoying, inconsiderate, asocial, irrational and obsessive-compulsive individuals who have no evidence whatsoever of a conspiracy.The bickering between the caller and Alex Jones continues for another 10 minutes. Apparently a little flustered and frustrated, not knowing how to handle the situation, Jones at one point replies with:JONES: Let me just tell you something. I grew up in Dallas, Texas, with my family doing things like, uh, helping take in East German defectors, okay? Whenever I go to a family reunion, half of the people in the room are former or retired CIA. And do you know what they tell me? They tell me I'm dead on, a hundred percent absolutely right. (mp3)Based on the ''What?!'' comment uttered by one of the hosts when Jones admits these ties, it appears he was thinking what most followers of Jones will be wondering when reading or hearing this admission: A) aren't these CIA ties suspicious? And B) why are we only learning about this now?"My dad, CIA dentist"Less than two months after the Opie & Anthony interview, on June 10, 2014, and on his own radio show, Jones provided more detail on his family's CIA background. In this instance Jones was talking about his father, David Jones, a respected Austin-based dentist, having carried out dental work for high level CIA officers back in the 1980s. Apparently some of the dentistry was done without anesthetics and under supervision. Jones doesn't really expand on this, but apparently these procedures were done to prevent CIA officers from giving away any national security secrets while under the influence of anesthetics. Jones:"Yeah, there's just all kinds of weird experiments going on and just stuff that is off the charts. And it's industrial level."I'm not bragging when I say that when, in the 80's - because late 80's my mom and dad had multiple discussions - and my dad would say, "Let's talk about it privately," and stuff like that, with my mom, so I never heard all of it, and he won't talk about it today - where the CIA tried to hire him, because I had some family that did stuff for the CIA, to be inducted in Maryland into literal, below ground bases for a four-year secret tour. And they were hiring other top dentists that were pioneering implants. My dad pioneered implants and would, you know, taught it at medical school and all that. ... And it was literally, they just said, "It's cybernetics, it's highly advanced," and it was $400,000 a year, way more than he was making then, and he owned dental offices. And he said, "No," because my dad did work at the medical school. He was someone who would do medical procedures on high level CIA people. They would come to him and then they would not allow deadening. They would have people there watching while he did procedures on people, just because they can't be put under. That was back during the Cold War. And so my dad did do that. He'll probably get mad I'm even telling this. But the whole point is, what this guy was talking about, it's reportedly really bad what is going on. ..."And it, it, it's just, it's just, from what I've been told by high level people - not my dad, he was just, went and interviewed, and was told about it and, um, uh, it's just, it's just, it's just, we're not in Kansas is what I'm trying to tell people." (mp3)The uncle from GuatemalaAugust 8, 2014, Alex Jones interviewing cousin Buckley Hamman.The show continued like nothing out of the ordinary was admitted. Additional disclosures were to follow another two months later and again on Alex Jones' own radio show. On August 8, 2014 he invited his cousin Buckley Hamman to talk about the situation in Guatemala in order to make the case to his audience that immigration from areas like these needs to be highly restricted (which I actually totally agree with). Back in 1993 Hamman helped Alex Jones get on the air and a few years later also served as a co-founder of the Infowars website and radio show. Hamman soon left for Chicago to work for more mainstream media outlets, but in recent years has joined the Infowars team again. These aspects are briefly mentioned during the podcast.Just as important is information provided about Buckley's father, William ''Biff'' Hamman, who was an uncle to Alex Jones. Biff Hamman had died earlier that year, in January 2014. The discussion between Jones and his cousin went as follows:JONES: So we're gonna talk to Buckley Hamman, my cousin, who helped start Infowars 19 years ago... So your dad is down there [in Guatemala] as a school administrator and also has lots of property growing coffee and a lot of his buddies moved down there after Vietnam so there was a lot of government people there as well. And he might have flown some planes for some folks as another job because he was pilot. So you have this government district...HAMMAN: I was born in 1974 in Guatemala City in the Aurora Hospital down there and I lived there until I was about 11 years old. We came back in 1986. ... The first story I'm going to tell is of some friends of my parents before I was even one year old. So one day the wife and the young boy [my friend] went down to the market and a bomb exploded nearby them and they were both severely injured. The little boy, Jonas, died. ...JONES: Was that a loving communist bomb that killed him?HAMMAN: Exactly, it was a loving communist bomb. Another story is that my mom and I were down town at one point, going to the bank if I remember correctly. We were in the bank and a car bomb blew up outside. All the plaster was coming off the walls, etc. ...Another story that I have is that we used to drive together in a sort of an armored car to go to school and one time we were coming off of an exit of a highway [and] a bunch of people just shot the car in front of us. Our driver went off the road and went off roading and drove off and we just saw the aftermath of that. ... My mom reminded me today, when we were driving around she played a game where she would say, ''Duck!'', and we would all have to duck, you know, and she was really just preparing us for the next time there was a fuselage of bullets and guns.JONES: And, of course, guns were banned there, but it was a total hell hole. Just like Mexico. ...HAMMAN: The second time my brother [Peter Hamman] was kidnapped was for political reasons, oddly. ... He was kidnapped by the ... left-wing military insurgents and their plan is that they wanted to have some of their local cronies from prison that had been captured. ... We were familiar there with some of the people in government there in Guatemala and he was kidnapped and basically they were demanding that they release some prisoners they had for his release. And the story that goes is that they made the exchange and they followed the people back to where their safehouse was and then they attacked the safehouse. They busted into the safehouse and they found plans to basically attack the neighborhood where we lived, which was full of military people and lots of middle to upper class people. [Subsequently] there was a big assault that happened in my backyard. The insurgents tried to get in [over the walls] and the military rebuffed them. I mean, there were a lot of casualties. ...I [also] remember there was a lot of fear in Guatemala regarding incriminations and different people who would attack other people.JONES: People would tattle to send the government after you? Those stories? They tried to claim your HAM radio stuff was terrorist or something?HAMMAN: Yeah, my dad had been a HAM radio [enthusiast] since he was young. Exactly, he was one of the youngest people to ever get a HAM radio license and obviously he operated a HAM radio down there with it [rolls eyes]. ... This was before the internet, before international phone lines even went down to third world countries like Guatemala, or were reliable. Uh, but yeah, that's true. People would say that he was working for the CIA. They would say he was working for the other side. It was just a very convoluted thing. And the government literally came and confiscated all of his equipment and made him shut down his HAM radio operation, you know. And he was really just an enthusiast. (mp3)Even before the HAM radio incident is mentioned, one can't help but wonder: was this guy CIA or something? Here we have an army veteran from Vietnam who becomes a well-to-do coffee plantation owner living in a Latin America country wrecked by continuous warfare between CIA/U.S. government-backed elements on the one hand and communist and nationalist forces on the other. He gets a Ph.D. in Latin American studies, has additional useful skills to special operations groups as a HAM radio operator and helicopter pilot, and, in addition, lives in a special high society American community in a country with only a handful Americans in it in the first place. The only doubt seeded here is by Jones and Hamman, who are very open about their father and the involvement of the CIA in Guatemala. While both are mentioned in William Hamman's January 2014 obituary [119], it appears no one had drawn attention to it at that point. They themselves are now responsible for the emerging controversy surrounding their father/uncle.Innocent uncle becomes ''Oliver North of the army''So, throughout 2015 the situation is that we're having suspicions that Alex Jones' uncle William "Biff" Hamman from Guatemala might have been some kind of CIA or army special operations operative back in the 1980s. Jones and Hamman deny this.Then, on December 19, 2015, UFC of Fox 17 comes along, which coincides with a 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu event in Austin, organized by Eddie Bravo, at the new Onnit Academy of Aubrey Marcus. The careers of Bravo and Marcus have largely been built by UFC commentator and comedian Joe Rogan, a good friend of Alex Jones since about 1999, back in the day that Jones broke into the Bohemian Grove with Jon Ronson and was rebuilding David Koresh' church at Waco. Their friendship appears to have been built on a mutual interest in conspiracy and a mutual admiration for comedian Bill Hicks. A whole other article can be dedicated to Rogan's clique, but what's important here is that Jones decided to stop by, drink a few beers, and talk a little on Aubrey's podcast. Hearing that Jones had appeared on the podcast, I immediately looked it up to see if he made any interesting personal revelations. And did he ever. During the Nick Diaz-Michael Johnson fight, the following discussion went on:SHANE STEINER: When you would come in during first period, first period, maybe like 8 in the morning, and he would sit down and go: ''I can't believe what I found out last night. Have you ever heard of Bilderberg?'' And he'd slide over a file folder. And I would think, ''Man, what class is this for?'' And he would go, ''Oh no, no, this is just a little thing I'm doing on the side.'' ... We were like seniors in high school.AUBREY MARCUS: How young did it start? Were you like 8 years old when you started making crazy * up? Were your parents like doing it? ...EDDIE BRAVO: Yeah, how did you get into conspiracy theory? Remember your first memories?ALEX JONES: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'll tell you something... [Grabs mike.] A few times I would hear Shane later going, ''Oh, there's just no way that this is true. You ought to hear this one. That's good.'' [Note: Is that all?]BRAVO: [Intercepts mike, as Jones tries to give it back to Shane.] Yeah, yeah, but how did you get into - do you remember your first memories of conspiracy theories? What got you into it? Do you remember? For me it was...JONES: I remember my...STEINER: Your uncle or something.JONES: I remember [my cousin] Buckley [Hamman], whose dad passed away, my uncle, my mom's brother [William Hamman]. He was like an army commander in Guatemala and he was kinda like the Oliver North of the army.BRAVO: Who was that? Your mother's brother? Your uncle?JONES: Yeah, yeah. And he just told us a bunch of wild stuff, basically. So I grew up hearing about that and then some other people in the family. I bet [UFC fighter] Tim Kennedy can actually tell us a lot of stuff, because that's actually who they use in clandestine stuff. It's like army special forces people. They always have. So that's actually - it's not, like, James Bond out there killing people. It's army special forces. Yeah, exactly, it's Kennedy. Hey, we learned today he is a listener ... Yeah, so kinda grew up hearing about this stuff. I just had a bunch of family in the army, special operations, and so I kinda heard that. Here you go, Steiner. (mp3)2015-12-19-alex-jones-onnit-podcast-ufc-hamman-cia-special-forces-fami lyDecember 19, 2015, Onnit podcast, f.l.t.r.: Shane Steiner, 10th Planet instructor, Eddie Bravo, Alex Jones, Aubrey Marcus, W. M.Isn't that interesting? All of a sudden Alex Jones' uncle William Hamman is promoted from a relatively innocent "Christian missionary and school teacher" to "an army commander [who] was kinda like the Oliver North of the army." In other words, Jones confirms every suspicion the average person would have about his uncle: that in Guatemala he was acting on behalf of the CIA and/or army special forces community. Did he have the status of a Colonel Oliver North, who was directly in touch with CIA director William Casey and the top of the army special operations crowd? I sincerely doubt it. Hamman may have been an asset used as a liaison, helicopter pilot or geopolitical advisor, but he doesn't seem to have had the background for the really dirty work. But we already discussed this aspect. The new revelation is what matters here.Guatemala: decades of CIA, ASC and CNP-backed death squads against the poorLet's have a little discussion about Guatemalan politics. When Buckley Hamman is talking about a "civil war" in Guatemala, with Jones clarifying Hamman and friends were victims of "loving communist bombs", they are essentially lying to their audience by not providing the big picture. Guatemala was about class war, not civil war.death-squadHunting "commies" in Guatemala.When we read up on all the different administrations that ruled Guatemala since the 1954 combined Eisenhower-United Fruit-CIA coup, we find that just about every Guatemalan president, backed by different U.S. administrations, deployed heavy-duty death squats to keep the left out of power. For decades the Guatemalan population has been fighting one terrorist government after another - governments that were protecting the interests of United Fruit, foreign and domestic oil and mineral corporations, and wealthy land owners (Hamman seemingly among them), all of which were stealing as much land as possible from small-time farmers. These farmers and their families were expected to be slaves on the elites' giant banana, coffee and sugar plantations. If they protested, some plantation owners, like Knight of Malta Roberto Alejos Arzu, a key liaison of American Security Council and Council for National Policy representatives, had them tortured and murdered. [120]Of course, one expects that the Soviets supported the left-wing guerrilla to an extent, preferably the most extremist aspects, but they were simply capitalizing on the genocidal policies of the Guatemalan military leaders and their U.S. supporters. People weren't looking for a communist or capitalist style dictatorship; they just wanted basic human rights, a small piece of land to sustain their families, and free democratic elections. That's it. While terrorist attacks that cost innocent lives are always hard to justify, the bomb attacks Buckley Hamman was describing were focused on government buildings and major banks and corporations during periods of intense death squad activity aimed at the population. Only a portion of the resistance supported these bombings, but just about every poor person opposed the government. At the same time it has to be acknowledged that anyone who openly protested, risked being shot or, maybe worse, send to the torture chamber, along with their friends and family members.In order for the reader to understand the situation in Guatemala, a basic summary of all Guatemalan administrations since the 1954 U.S. coup can be found below. There are no secret sources here. The Wikipedia pages of all the relevant presidents provide almost all the facts, including proper sources.President and TermDetailsCol. Carlos Castillo ArmasSep. 1954 - Jul. 1957Takes power in the infamous Eisenhower-CIA-United Fruit-backed coup (Truman had no interest) against Jacobo Arbenz. Bans illiterates from voting, constituting 50% of the population, and crushes the rights of farmers and all other leftists. He reestablishes the secret police. His National Committee of Defense Against Communism becomes Guatemala's first modern death squad, although these won't reach their full "potential" until the 1970s.In 1957 Armas is shot to death by palace guard Rameo Vasquez, who shortly after decides to commit suicide. Only with Armas' death does United Fruit get its land back that was confiscated by Arbenz.Col. Guillermo Flores AvendanoOct. 1957 - Mar. 1958Minister of defense in the next government.Gen. Miguel Ydígoras FuentesMar. 1958 - Mar. 1963Autocratic right-wing rule in close collaboration with the U.S. government. In 1960 military officers rebel and form to the 13th November revolutionary guerrilla to try and overthrow Fuentes.Col. Enrique Peralta AzurdiaMar. 1963 - Jul. 1966Overthrows Fuentes to prevent his loss to a center-left political candidate. Green berets and CIA officers are send in beginning in 1965 to help subdue leftist guerilla elements. Death squads began to emerge again.Julio César MéndezJul. 1966 - Jul. 1970The only civilian Guatemalan president in the 1954-1986 period. Considered a puppet of the military and the U.S. Days after taking office, U.S. Colonel John Webber Jr. arrives in the country to train a 5,000 member anti-communist counterinsurgency army, greatly intensifying "white terror" death squad activity. Leading U.S.-backed death squads at the time include SCUGA, Mano Blanca, the New Anticommunist Organization, and the Anticommunist Council of Guatemala.Col. Carlos Arana OsorioJul. 1970 - Jul. 1974Major death squad leader under Mendez in the late 1960s. He is also appointed ambassador to Nicaragua, then under the right-wing CIA-backed Somoza regime. Despite minimal leftist activism, Arana instates a "State of Siege" months after his "election" and increases secret police and death squad activity to even higher levels than before. Infamously states: "If it is necessary to turn the country into a cemetery in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so."Gen. Kjell LaugerudJul. 1974 - Jul. 1978Received military officer's training in the U.S. early in his career. Guatemalan delegate to the Inter-American Defense Board 1968-1970. Army chief of staff and defense minister under Arana's murderous regime. Subsequently his presidency is backed by all right-wing forces. Continues the usual death squad activity, albeit less intense than Arana, also in part due to a major 1976 earthquake that causes a lot of damage in Guatemala, giving people something else to worry about..Gen. Romeo Lucas GarciaJul. 1978 - Jul. 1982Increases the death squad activity when widespread leftist protests against mineral and oil companies, as well as the suppression of farmers, i