Bleeding Cool has been told by our lovely new Warners source (who has been so useful this morning) that "the pilot script for GOTHAM has Detective Jim Gordon trying to solve a very famous double homicide."

Would it be that reckless for me to quote Gordon from the end of Batman Begins; "Armed robbery, double homicide, has a taste for the theatrical, like you. Leaves a calling card."

The Joker?

UPDATE: Sigh, yes, of course, it's the Waynes, what was I thinking…

And coming for Arrow, a teaser that starts with Solomon Grundy:

"Born on a Monday…"

Someone else survived the island.

Amanda makes an offer.

A better use for that clocktower.

What is the question you should have asked?

Ollie is not the first vigilante.

Not all hoods are green.

A blank expression.

"Archer"

"Rise"

UPDATE: And yes, that does sound like The Question coming to Arrow as well… and Red Hood?