Daniel: In terms of art that is a pretty exciting project. If you've been to the pub it's in a Victorian house - it kind of has got these sort of weird antiques everywhere. Its got a set vibe and aesthetic to it. Next door will sort of be a polar opposite to that. Bright colors, lots of clean surfaces. No antiques. It's pretty cool art project for me in terms of designing that. Filling that with stuff.

AJK: Yeah. The current is very intimate and you've definitely maximized all of the space. So to have this massive probably several times larger kind of openness to it.

Daniel: It's pretty exciting although it's filling up pretty quickly. Already need more space. Lots of wall space over there for art which is exciting.

AJK: Is it going to be rotating art?

Daniel: We're not sure yet. We're going to design a lot of things to absorb sound over there, a lot of hard surfaces. I'm excited to be able to do some canvases that have foam behind them. We're going to have live music over there so to absorb some of that sound. We have one longer wall over there, we're thinking about rotating artwork and different artists which is pretty exciting for us.

AJK: And you're from this area?

Daniel: Yes. Grew up about ten minutes from here.

AJK: One of the things that is very obvious is this community is very important to the brewery. The office is right across the street. From a real estate perspective it is like hitting the jackpot. If you're trying to find an apartment near your family, you have no luck but they have three buildings with in a good rock's throw of each other. Could make for some good snowball fights in the winter, but then even the expansion with the crowlers, the local farmer's market. It's very apparent to me how important the local community is - it's a great space. There's a boutique desert and foods place around - it seems like a really cool spot to be around.

Daniel: It's a cool town both for our businesses and our families. It's been a lot of fun to live here and work here.

AJK: I think that's ideal, especially now more than ever the importance of a good community and taking care of each other. TO really do that together and ... I'm just jealous there is no commute - -- I have a butch of a commute to work every day. But just even that sense of community is extremely important and having young children is till that in them. The roots of the future.

I had read that you had worked on a A to Z chldrens book.

: I did a series about a year ago, sort of on a whim. An animal themed alphabet series. I released it in prints. Was going to do a book, will probably still do a book. Making a book is a lot more work than getting prints made.