Transcript for The Briefing Room: Friend of Kavanaugh's accuser speaks out

And. And welcome to the brief here by Devin Dwyer on this very busy Wednesday thank you so much for trying to strike by our senior correspondent Terry Moran. Our investigative reporter Trish turner who's been working and you know great to have them here as well we have a stalemate in the senate. Over the nomination of Brett Cavanaugh to the Supreme Court overnight the accuser. Christine sleazy forts that she won't testify now on Monday she refers the FBI to take a look at this first. The committee though Trish bending over backwards to get her to come in on money privately they've offered to go to California. And you just heard from Chuck Grassley on the hill who said this. We've not heard anything for of the last night but were reaching out there were not going cancel any hearing. Until the last minute. I don't know what the last minute news button until the last minute in hopes that shall take us up and we've gone beyond. What we did the first day of just having the hearing she asked for the open here she has four. Because we heard shimmering not wanna come and environments we offered. One more. Closed session or two ways of doing about a transcript. All right so the hearing is still on for now although we don't have a confirmed guests and Susan Collins of Maine one of the key senators and all of this an advocate for women. Has also just spoken out on the latest developments let's put that up. She was giving an interview to a local rain main radio station she says much to my surprise it now appears that. As she Christine please and Ford is turning down all three options by the committee even though we're turning said earlier this week she would come testify I just don't understand. Why the hearing should not go forth Trish Republicans sort of unanimous here insane they should have a hearing and they should have a vote next week. Together and they're really difficult position because they extended the invite before they ever check to see that. Missed Dr. for it would appear so now what do they do. One thing that we understand they won't do is have a hearing and have an empty seat in front of them they they understand as well as we do that. But you know the optics are really bad about but this is really hard for them. It's a difficult position yet to figure out by the end of the day at the end of the week how to thread the needle arts and they're in a very difficult spot the president weighing in on this too just a few minutes ago few hours ago. On his way to North Carolina says he's very eager to hear from Christine blazing four as well Nicholas. I've really wanted to save her I really what wanted to see what he has to say. But I want to give it all the time made me. They've already given it dive that delayed a Major Garrett is Nomar just about left I think he's an extraordinary. And I think he's a man of great intellect as I've been telling you. Having the unblemished record. This is a very tough thing for him and his family. Had we want to get an uproar that the same time we want to give tremendous amount of time. If he shouts out that would be wonderful but she doesn't show up. About what the other fourteen. So pressure from Republicans Terry Democrats really digging in here they don't want. Doctor Ford to be subjected to the treatment India. He'll got it back in 91 and in fact I'm fine staggering Democrat on the committee actually just tweeted moments ago she says. That she thinks there needs to be an FBI investigation here fur she stands by. Doctor for its decision not to appear there you see a 27 years ago the FBI she said. Did look into the allegations. Do they have a case Terry. They do. Right now at this is basically set up to the swearing contest where the accuser. Decreased in bus before it goes against. The Supreme Court nominee and that's it. That's all the Republicans want to hear that one any eyewitness that's right and it will. Unlike an inhaled where there were 22 witnesses on both sides there witnesses who in the office they never noticed any. Any upset on her part or any on toward interactions for him and then on her side that was that yes she told me. So it was that mr. got deeper as but right now I think Democrats have it have if there is so much time. As the president is saying and that is eight playbook out of it needed help notice. That the Republicans now that the president I don't think let's get this thing done as they insulted Anita Hill that said she was scorned woman or somebody with automated airspace. None of that even president trump. She's very disciplined and on message on this. Because they think. That this is a way to just. Get this nominee through whether that we got that out and Democrats are backed Democrats bases. Obviously political advantage and led in this. Slow way down and that we heard from you know this morning America set. Hit the pause button. Here and there seems to be a pretty coordinated strategy that. On both sides Israeli at the end of the day you know. Everybody is is mocking the Republicans and the sentiments for saying look think of how bad this is for and it's terrible for both kill. Human beings right we lose track of the game show gets to be this way. They have and they have children have friends reputations and careers is not an end well wanna write. And so. That the Democrats are saying let's do this right and I think one of the yours you're seeing here maybe. Is that both sides are looking to shape the inn where. Just get but it doesn't want them going and all the details of his youth who. And I think perhaps on the other side in block Ford who. First revealed this in detail at eight couples therapy session. And a court of law that next question why were you when couples differently she wants her whole private life what. Ammunitions and death threats initiative and her family basically and hiding and so does nothing that you step forward with slightly yeah let's bring in our senior our congressional correspondent for a little more on that merry Bruce's joins us from the senate Mary to pick up on what Trish was just saying. You've heard from Chuck Grassley today you've been work and the hallways the Senate's out but there are a number of members still there Chuck Grassley and others bent Republicans bending over backwards. They don't want to we'll hear. Like they are forcing her strong army doctor for to appear but it's it's pretty clear that's what they want her do. It would be overarching message from Republicans appeared to me Christine by the board is essentially a show up on Monday. Talk to either investigators publicly privately appeared before the comedian and opener closed session. Or else we're headed toward the belt. But the Republicans are making the point as you mentioned that that look they're going to great link to give her an opportunity. To tell her side of the story she's in her lawyer says I think she wants to do. Dead Republicans say they're giving her that opportunity. But they also aren't saying look we're gonna delay a hearing we're gonna it you know extend the timing here because you know at the end Republicans want to wanna get is going. And I did actually does edges that's one Republican member of the committee. Senator John Kennedy you know how can go ahead and vote he feel that he you can make a decision here without. Having heard. Firm from from professor or if she doesn't come up and speak Monday need to move to that vote and advancement of fashionable look we had a confirmation hearing. We did have a chance asking questions and she's gonna come up here. And speak to lesser speak due to our investigators love and we have no choice but to move ahead with the vote and make a decision based on on what we already know. From those confirmation hearings so the Republicans are trying to hear that they are you know given her every chance here. And Democrats of course on the other side there are playing in the other side of the point here. And many Republicans that say that they are trying to delay this because they have a political. Interest in in pushing off any vote here in the state Capitol Hill that politic that play here of course and in the meantime Iran intelligence. You know stuck Washington is stuck in a lot of lawmakers are frustrated. There's a lot of confusion appear about what will come next if you have a hearing just with Kavanagh Republican leaders don't seem to think that makes much sense at least those that we talk to. Don't seem to think that makes makes much sense and of course so much of this comes candidate that handful. Of Republicans who have been so vocal about their reservations you rate your Susan Collins of Maine as a Murkowski of Alaska Jeff Blake Bob Corker. And they are all growing increasingly frustrated too imploring. Really Christine by the board to come up show up answer their questions so that they can trying to make the most informed decision possible. All right Mary Bruce thank you so much we know you track in the stalemate into the weekend with your reporting. I want to bring in someone now who knows. Doctor Christine glossy four is an order for forty years actually Samantha Gary. Is Syria in Washington with that she's is one of the women who signed a letter supporting. Doctor Ford formally the Holton arms school in Maryland semantic Gary thank you so much for being here thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. Starting haven't spoken directly to doctor forward. Since this all has broken but understated and in close touch with some folks around her. What are you hearing about how she's doing. Christine is very strong. And teens. Holding up as well as can be expense expected given the circumstances. This is an attic time for her. And tell us a little bit more about her we've just seen just a handful of pictures of her son from that 1980s your book. The one picture former Stanford profile help us sort of fill out a picture of of the Christine that you knew back then in today. Christie came to Holton. In seventh grade and we all went to school together for six years it's a very small classes only about 65 of us. Believe all that's known each other very well and choose just very well liked across the board. Very popular win is. Within Holton as well as other schools in the area. She was engaged and various boards managed the basketball team. Those issues one of those cheerful easy to like people but at the same time in as many hold girls she's very Smart. Very hard working. Clearly that is those are qualities that she kept as she went forward in her adult life. As I've said shoots he's now bio statistician. And she hands. Achieved. At a very high level in her profession. And I think that speaks a lot about her commitment. It certainly does and it's no small thing to be about statistician or Ph.D. at a school like Stanford go to our. Eight. It gives us a sense of a little bit more about what the school environment was like Holton arms. We've heard a lot about. Georgetown prep how did those schools to schools interact with each other where you often. At joint events together Wear their a lot of social woes across socialization. There's a lot across socialization. Filming I think people don't understand about the the Washington. Private schools as we all grew up in politics essentially are. Our classic viewer to look across our classmate costs the people who we were in school live and all of those schools at that time. In our parents were. And high levels. Governments in the media. You know the person that was making UP butter sandwich. On a Saturday afternoon was that also happened to be a bass here someplace. So. You for us we've always seen all of this is a very personal thing he spoke. Recent hit just a minute ago about you know these are human beings. Com and this has a very deep human impact and I think that's something that we all. My appreciate more than the average person because this is never been just. And circus stress it's been very personal Huntsman family. No doubt very difficult for her in light of hers desire referred to remain private initially here before this leaked out. What I ask you about. A woman who claims to have been a classmate of yours requesting a doctor for its at the time hold an arms a woman by the name of Christina king Miranda. She tweeted today that she was a graduate from Holton arms think we have to tweet. She also knew Burk have an arm mark judge to. The men involved in the alleged party. On it she says the incident was spoken about for days afterwards in school. Do do you call that did you hear anything about that was this something that after it took place. We sort of in open secret if you will in the hallways it will arms. No rectal. Of that and through miss king it was I believe class of 83 issue for the year behind us. It's really my understanding that this so it wasn't something that Chris he had spoken to other people about. So I aid don't know. Much about that. And that twin and what's behind. It indeed did know Brett Cavanaugh. You've been talking a little bit about that today. In some of your interviews. It didn't have a reputation how did you how did you know him. Given that that you are different school. Well I knew him because I do one of his good friends at the time and I was in me Oklahoma. Are there though Georgetown prep. Production of Oklahoma. And talk of football team and prep how to dance for that's. That was an interesting mine. Italy or your impressions of him was he was he a bit of a character was he heavy drinker. You know I mean it was a long time ago. Those guys were. A very tight knit group of friends they are very loyalty to others the party is hard is you might expect. Teenage boys at that age the party. I think that's really change sales and of the that's unique to private schools in the DC area. Sir and it was a it was a long time ago 36 years is many Republicans and hope and pointed out or ask you about something. Senator Orrin hatch told us yesterday he said that he had spoken with Brett Cavanaugh this week. And that the judge told him that perhaps. Doctor Ford is quote mixed up since he said she may be mistaking him for somebody else. Do you think that's possible here. That's not possible. Move that's is not possible I finally have very. Frankly makes me angry it's a really way. Dismissing her. And suggesting that her memory isn't clear I think when you have someone's hand over your mouth when you think that you might diet by accident. You know who you're dealing with. Certainly we're one would imagine if that was the case would be Syrian in your mind. Is Susan Collins just a few minutes who you we as we were talking about. Said she was a bit surprised that doctor Ford isn't willing to come forward this week he even privately and share. Her experience with the committee's does that surprise you would all the basin which you know about Christine that. She would need and desire at least at this stage two to talk about these things in private. I've my sense is she's thinking this through I mean. Her name to scud attacks this on Sunday night. So we. I think she needs some time to think about that's been that's exactly what she doesn't have. You know I think everybody has remember that what she asked for. Was confidentiality. She didn't ask to be a political football immense she felt that. She was a private citizen bringing a very important piece of information that had. Not come through in the other vetting process. To the table but. That alone was a difficult. Conversation to have to speak armaments. In such a tremendous. Public forum and as such tremendously important. Time for. Our country. That's eaten. It I think everyone means take it a deep breath and make a step back and it's really think this through before we Disco charging ahead with our agenda. Whatever agenda that is on either side. And both before I let you go Samantha thank you so much. What do you think she'll do come Monday do you think that Christine you said to just need some time to give this some thought to think she'll come around. To to meeting with the committee privately is senator Grassley and others have hoped. End in do you think there's any sense here any indication here that she's coordinating with the demo. Price in this. There's no indication I have no indication or no information that she's cordoning that the Democrats. So it if that's the case that would very much surprise me. IA I think fit for her soul coordination was really just bringing miss Florida and so happens that. The Democrats are in her district. So. You know Byron her shoes I would very much want to have some time to think this through and understand. From the committee what exactly. They need to understand from her beyond what she's already told them. And it seems to me what she's request in terms investigation where they would actually talk to. More people bring more information to it seems very reasonable. We shall see Samantha Gary thank you so much for your time very generous of you come and we appreciated thank you so much. Terry what do you make of her testimony about that report plus the kind of thing that we would hear in in a more fulsome hearing. Where there would have been an investigation. That the character witnesses people who I knew these people at that time. I thought she seemed very firm I didn't even handed about the whole thing I love it helps people make up their minds I think at the end of the day for. The decision makers and something like this it really is. Had at bottom. The credibility of the individual and that's why this process is such a terrible way to do it radio yeah it was. Politicians. That artists as if she's no win situation I don't know how she gets out of this there are any of them for them. And not just her you mentioned earlier these are both human beans per Kavanagh human being in this as well two young daughters we know. We've heard that that's been taking people want to bring in out White House correspondent Karen Travers. Who has been tracking that side of the story how touch Cavanaugh said to be feeling and thinking about all of this Karen you have some reporting. What he's been doing he spent the last two days at the White House what are you hearing about what he's up to today. The White House today with an expected to be here debt and that right Cavanaugh was at the white house on Monday and Tuesday. Huddling with administration officials and a source that is close to the nomination process ABC. I haven't is personally shaking. By the accusations but that he is unflinching and affirming his denials. But we were asking how we begin at do you if he does have to go before the senate judiciary committee on Monday. And face what could be a very tough interrogation lot of questions about his personal life how he behaved in high school. And of course these very specific allegations by Christine glossy Ford. This official told us that Kavanagh will be very very believable. If they're talk they're cared about potentially pulling this nomination. The rumor mill. Started to churn is the president privately wringing its hands about. About his united someone else when he heard a nap. The president said today it really struck here. He was speaking to reporters on this outline that he had sent several times that he really wanted to hear Christine or tell her story I think she should go up to Capitol Hill. Testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee. And he says it's does that if she made it very credible case credible appearance he said will have a decision to me. That was notable with the opening the door just a little bit to the possibility that right Kavanagh nomination could be in jeopardy we asked clarity on that just yet. But certainly it was this president some words saying will have a decision today. About Y very interesting thing. Are indeed we know you'll be on the case that shift gears a little bit there was a lot of news this morning one of those impromptu press conferences. On the South Lawn but before the president went down it into the Carolinas. Karen and the president is are ratcheting up the rhetoric again about his attorney general just absolutely extraordinary. We know that he has soured on Jeff Sessions but today basically and history. The AG it seems like it's only a matter of time before he fires. At debt in this started in an interview that the president did. Things it. Had this started in into the present it with the hill newspaper where he said. I don't have an attorney general to striking comment from the president. Asked on the South Lawn of the White House tunics and that he hasn't had an EG. Right mystical at. I was an appointment ended died in general but numbers races but we have an attorney general I'm disappointed in the attorney general. For many reasons that New York. Disappointed I think it's really it's the matter of not if he goes but how. Quietly egos terrier. This is somebody who could have a lot to say oil to light it up is resign I mean is it your boss that in public to the world day after day. You sock. You're probably I mean how much delegation can a man. He doesn't have the authority to dismiss him at any with the strangest. Bedfellows in the American government spending the night in a little where what you want to have to imagine the morale over there Chris it's just corporate nite light and the folks I mean. It's not see their guy you know not just president Turk news picking up sessions and he's spitting at everyone in this department so it's taken a beating let's let's face it. This all comes down to. The Russian investigation and attorney general Jeff Sessions who with the earliest the first supporter of candidate trop in the senate it with a huge boon to. His candidacy he decided to recuse himself almost right out of the gate with under a lot of pressure but he will have a top surrogate for trump on the campaign. So he had to you within a situation where he he almost had to recuse on any thing I'm involving the Mahler investigation but that has really stuck in the president's Kra. And can't get over it and he just feels like he has this political witch hunt just after and that dogs in every day and and that's what's truly at the base of of this of this fight. Coming attractions after the midterm election I think probably the first order of business for president problem before we go spring Karen Travers beckon at the White House Karen. The president on his second. Or third rather hurricane. Devastation tour down not only North Carolina but a surprise visit unannounced visit to South Carolina. And the president is getting an aerial tour of the damage in the north and South Carolina area the president. It was really eager to get down taxes state and local officials get a sense on the ground how the recovery effort is going. DeVon of course the president for days has been forcefully defending their preparation and the response by the federal government he says they've been doing a fantastic job so much heroism and bravery. Today he also. Spoke regularly about the victims of this plot imports me there's an end of the hurricane force in there have been fatalities president said our hearts go out to the victims and their families. Jobs last month that the government will always be there for. So the president of course trying to emphasize that the work his administration has been doing has been great but have you acknowledge that sadly people have died because of the storms you. At least 35 dead across the Carolinas. And the death told that that he will have to address at some point. Amidst all the controversy of the very high 3000. Dead in Puerto Rico certainly something to keep following her Travers thank you so much for your reporting. I will kick it today with some news on the North Korea and Terry. You have covered that region and you were following the summit a few months ago in Singapore today. Something extraordinary we saw the South Korean president trying to jump start. These US North Korean talks by traveling to Pyongyang. Lot of imagery lot of pageantry lot of parades. But still no clear indication to me. That there's been a breakthrough in dean came. What you know it seems to me you're right there so that we haven't had a great big commitment at all from North Korea but the show that we're watching that that that's what year. Centering on that's part of what's happening it may be that showman Donald Trump and showman Kim Jong-Il on that right nobody puts on about a parade in the world right now. But that there. They're shifting the way they might resolve this problem from a brinksmanship. Either you. To let that Chicago and let's see how weakened warm up the temperature here a little bit. We here are very frequently from president trump how much he likes Kim Jung on. And today you didn't get something at least the South Korean president did which is that Kim Jung and said they'll dismantle. A missile and junk bonds you what young months ago perhaps but right away that missile engine factory which is caused the Americans a great deal of ox now they. Parity bill to missiles they may not that Manhattan is much anymore but. May be the model which we've been working on. Which is put a gun to the North Korea's head in the fourth sanctions and the threat of war or else. Is being replaced by the art of the deal which. Has a lot more show and the president had something to say about that today I think we have the sound let's hear about this art of the deal with North Korea. What makes you tremendous progress would respect that North Korea. Riot and becoming president that look like we'll going to war with North Korea and that we have a lot of progress we've got our. Remain back take. It comment lot of commanders expect very importantly. Gomez felt that they don't know it best they. So as long as they're out that it is the show in the skies he's happy camper. And maybe maybe we'll have a joint Olympics in the Koreas in 2032 that was when the small headlines out today that tech agenda and in the agreed to put in an application to host the 2032. Six could could be quite something to follow things if I hope springs eternal and it. Thank you so much for parents here in a briefing room on this Wednesday with Terry Moran Trish turner great to have you with us stay tuned here at ABC news live from more coverage. Lot of big stores this week extra.

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