Former independent counsel Ken Starr told Morning Joe on Wednesday he thinks a sitting president can be indicted.

“I think the president can be indicted,” said Starr, who led the investigation into former President Bill Clinton‘s sexual misconduct with Monica Lewinsky. “But that is not the position of the Justice Department traditionally.”

“The basic point is we do not have an authoritative resolution on the issue,” he said, noting it “cannot happen, as I see it, under Justice Department policy that’s enforceable on [Special Counsel] Bob Mueller.”

“No one is above the law,” he said. “And so in my judgment the president can in fact be indicted.”

MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough asked about whether a president can be subpoenaed, noting that Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani once said that presidents are subject to subpoena, but now claims a president can defy a subpoena.

“Well I love Rudy, but Rudy was right then,” Starr replied. “The takeaway from [my] book is that Rudy is not correct now.”

“The president is subject to subpoena,” Starr said.

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