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Bill: Continuing now with our lead story, the obama administration trying to expand federal power.

00:09:40 Joining us from washington, new york congressman anthony weiner.

00:09:43 So you read my talking points, congressman.

00:09:45 Where am I going wrong?

00:09:46 >> Well, you have a couple of factual things wrong.

00:09:49 First, there was nothing in the bill that has any health records being revealed to the federal government.

00:09:54 There is nothing that has the irs finding out your health insurance status except whether you have insurance or not.

00:09:58 And that is weather you are going to claim it in order to be able to get your deduction.

00:10:02 But you also set up.

00:10:03 >> Bill: All right.

00:10:04 Let me challenge.

00:10:04 Number one, on the health records, if you read the "wall street journal" today, there is a big article that in order for the federal government to make decisions on who gets what, you are going to have to have a review panel of some kind to look at people's status.

00:10:19 So, I'm not sure you're correct about that.

00:10:21 You have to -- >> here is where you are mistaken.

00:10:25 They are going to aggregate like they do now things that are going on in the health care economy.

00:10:29 But they won't know a single thing about bill o'reilly's health care or anthony weiner's health care.

00:10:35 They will go to the hospital and say how many gallbladders taken out.

00:10:38 Which procedures were more or less efficient?

00:10:40 What kind of rates did you have.

00:10:41 To say that people are going to lose control over health records is deceptive.

00:10:45 It really is but the point that you are fundamentally making -- >> Bill: Woe, woe, woe.

00:10:50 If there is a controversial about a procedure that procedure is out of the american's hands doctor's hands it's in the federal government's hands.

00:10:58 >> You are misunderstanding.

00:11:00 Right now for the past 50 years, tomorrow, we are always going to be, since we are big providers of health care, we in the federal government, but to taxpayers with taxpayers dollars always looking at what things work well and what things don't.

00:11:11 No different than the new england journal of medicine compiled the records of 10,000 people who had apen diets and figured out what worked best.

00:11:20 There is nothing in the bill that does what you said, bill.

00:11:23 Let me be clear.

00:11:25 >> Bill: Let me point out.

00:11:26 That's not what the other side is saying.

00:11:28 We will see how it pans out.

00:11:29 >> There is enormous -- I will tell you something, bill.

00:11:33 There is enormous amount that others on the other side are saying are just lies.

00:11:38 We have to be careful not to have false debate.

00:11:42 >> Bill: The irs is now going to have to enforce obama care.

00:11:45 So if you say flip it, I ain't buying it, then the irs is the one that is going to make the determination whether you get fined or what happens to you.

00:11:54 So, again, the irs is going to have to have access to information.

00:11:57 >> That is not true.

00:11:59 >> Bill: Who is going to do that?

00:12:00 >> I'm going to explain how the bill works.

00:12:02 Right now, under this law as passed the other day, if you want to get the tax credit to buy insurance, you will have to stay on your tax form whether or not you are already getting it.

00:12:13 We are not going to give the tax benefit to someone owning a home who doesn't actually own a home.

00:12:20 >> Bill: I got that, but if you don't want to buy health insurance, the irs has to see to it that you do.

00:12:27 That's what universal health care is about.

00:12:28 >> That's another mistake.

00:12:30 You are not required to get insurance under the law.

00:12:32 Can you choose to pay into the pool that pays for your insurance should you go into a hospital emergency room.

00:12:39 >> Bill: What if you choose not to do anything?

00:12:41 Than who -- >> you are going to have to pay up to, not exceeding 1% of your income because.

00:12:46 >> Bill: What if you say who, I'm not, then who comes after you.

00:12:50 >> Bill, I'm going to have to try to squeeze in an answer here.

00:12:53 It is no different than if you say you get a tax deduction when you buy a home, you have got to prove you have got a home.

00:12:58 You are going to have to pay for health insurance because everyone is getting it under the new plan.

00:13:02 When you go into a hospital emergency room, and someone provides you care, you can't pay, you and I pay for it this fund would make that up.

00:13:11 >> Bill: You are dodging the question.

00:13:12 >> I'm answering the question.

00:13:13 You are making stuff up.

00:13:15 >> Bill: If someone is defiant, and there will be people who are and say I am not going to participate in this.

00:13:21 I'm not going to give anybody a nickel.

00:13:23 I'm not going to give you information about my health status, the irs then comes in and deals with that person.

00:13:29 >> That's not true.

00:13:31 >> Bill: Who deals with them?

00:13:31 >> I don't know how else to say this.

00:13:33 It's the same exact process.

00:13:35 It says in the bill we are not criminalizing anyone for failure to.

00:13:39 >> Bill: They get fined.

00:13:40 >> Bill, here is what we are going to have to try to figure out.

00:13:43 If we are going to communicate, you will have to let me speak.

00:13:45 Right now we have 88% compliance rate with all elements of the tax code, requirements, sanctions, everything.

00:13:50 It's the highest in the world.

00:13:52 >> Bill: What about the other 12%?

00:13:55 The irs gets them if they don't pay the taxes.

00:13:57 Ask wesley snipes.

00:13:58 You can't tell me the irs isn't the enforcement arm here.

00:14:02 It is.

00:14:06 Congressman?

00:14:07 >> [sigh] I have a very big burden here debunking every one of the mistakes you are making.

00:14:12 It's going to take me a while.

00:14:15 >> Bill: Tell me which agency in the federal government will deal with someone who absolutely defies?

00:14:19 Which one.

00:14:20 >> Bill, watch this.

00:14:21 We are not criminalizing people who fail to comply.

00:14:24 Do you understand me?

00:14:25 >> Bill: They have to pay a fine.

00:14:27 >> Do you understand?

00:14:28 -- That's exactly right.

00:14:30 >> Bill: Who determines the fine?

00:14:31 >> It's in the law.

00:14:34 >> Bill: All right, congressman.

00:14:35 >> I have got to tell you something.

00:14:37 This is the problem with this debate.

00:14:38 Things that are made up and then no opportunity to.

00:14:41 >> Bill: I'm a simple man.

00:14:42 I'm asking you the simplest question in the world.

00:14:45 If somebody refuses to cooperate, who fines them and you can't tell me.

00:14:50 >> When you say something -- it is no different than any of the various things we have in our life.

00:14:55 If you go littering and that's a $50 fine, no one is following you around to get your litter.

00:15:00 Why is this such a difficult concept?

00:15:03 >> Bill: I know I'm not a smart man but i.

00:15:05 >> I love you, buddy.

00:15:07 You have got to stop making up stuff about the bill.

00:15:09 You have got to stop.

00:15:10 Come on, my man.

00:15:14 >> Bill: Levy fined.

00:15:15 >> Next time you ask me the question we will get to that.

00:15:18 >> Bill: I asked it five times, congressman.

00:15:20 Thanks for coming on.

00:15:22 Ann coulter supposed to speak in canada last night.

00:15:24 It did not happen.