To be honest I never even thought for one moment it could be flat until today. It seemed, and as time went on, it became frustrating that nobody from a science point of view had stepped up to put this to bed. I researched refraction and found it to really be circular reasoning but accepted that. The recent media foul ups with Kyrie made me start thinking why do they say he back tracked if he didn't. Then I saw this post at The Verge https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/...tellite-gofundme-scam-crowdfunding-conspiracy and saw in the post they included the video that is clearly go-pro footage as proof of the curve. So, this morning I saw this view of Mallorca. If what you are all saying is correct, then look at these numbers. We are seeing 133 miles in the distance, that is the radius of our view circle. So 2piR gives us 835 mi circumference. 835/360= 2.32 mi/deg. So, according to Mick, the island takes up our entire view... so that is 50 miles or 21 degrees of view?Then, honestly the way that Mick just was first wrong about which peak it was, by giving a peak 3,500 feet high when the refraction number gives us anything below 4,000 cannot be seen. Then, he changes his mind and blows off 2,600 feet high like it is nothing. Clearly, to me... and maybe it took me not just reading posts but to be a part of one to see that he is totally biased to one model and if you go into every inquiry already knowing you are correct, all I am saying is now it is making sense some of these claims.If we can see much more than simply the tops of these ranges, I think there is a case to be made that the so-called curvature could be reverse engineered from eye sight. I don't expect to be heard. If I saw my own post I'd think I was crazy.