Azubu has nothing to do with Justin.tv/Twitch.tv. This is what happens when you copy and paste legal disclaimers without find/replacing properly.

itsjustatank Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Hong Kong 9043 Posts Last Edited: 2013-03-05 07:03:36 #1 AZUBU.tv is seen by many in our community as a direct competitor to the firmly-entrenched online video streaming business of Twitch.tv.



A look at the Terms of Service of AZUBU.tv sheds an interesting, and very confusing, light on the situation:



Launched just over three days ago,is seen by many in our community as a direct competitor to the firmly-entrenched online video streaming business ofA look at the Terms of Service of AZUBU.tv sheds an interesting, and very confusing, light on the situation: 11. Disclosures.



The services are offered by Justin.tv, Inc. dba AZUBU TV, located at: 23 Geary Street, Suite 800, San Francisco, CA 94108 and email: help@azubu.tv. If you are a California resident, you may have this same information emailed to you by sending a letter to the foregoing address with your email address and a request for this information.



(Editor's Note: Emphasis added)



There seems to be two logical interpretations of this: Justin.tv, who owns and operates Twitch.tv, does in fact own and operate AZUBU.tv. DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.



More information about this can be found on Wikipedia.



EDIT: OFFICIAL TWITCH STATEMENT ON THIS MATTER











The other interpretation is that AZUBU is directly copy-pasting Terms of Service from their competitor without any regard to the transferability of Twitch's terms to their particular service or business model.



This feasibility of this interpretation is fueled by the fact that the entire Terms of Service as listed on AZUBU's website seems disjointed, unorganized, and written with different voices. Can those with more knowledge about this situation comment on the matter? This thread was made in reaction to publicly-available information found on both company's websites.



The implications of the first interpretation aren't as significant, I feel, as the implications of the second: a company directly copy-pasting legal documents so haphazardly.



Relevant links:

http://www.azubu.tv/footer/legal/service.jsp

http://www.twitch.tv/user/legal

http://pastebin.com/bqaLf60s There seems to be two logical interpretations of this:Can those with more knowledge about this situation comment on the matter? This thread was made in reaction to publicly-available information found on both company's websites.The implications of the first interpretation aren't as significant, I feel, as the implications of the second: a company directly copy-pasting legal documents so haphazardly. Photographer "im a fucking big fat dirty whale" -EternaLEnVy

InfestedOne Profile Joined June 2012 United States 13 Posts #2 This is very strange! I would like to see a response from both parties!

Jaaaaasper Profile Blog Joined April 2012 United States 5668 Posts #3 Wow, either way this looks bad for azubu tv competing with twitch. Either they are owned by the same people who own twitch, or they are lazy/ incompetent enough to strait up copy paste terms of service from their competitor, which does not look good at all for the quality of the company. Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?

InfestedOne Profile Joined June 2012 United States 13 Posts #4 Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.

ShiroKaisen Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United States 740 Posts Last Edited: 2013-03-05 05:40:39 #5 On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:

Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.



Obviously after the silly stuff happened on their website before he wanted to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.



Plus, even today, no one knows what the fuck Azubu DOES. It's worth investigating. Obviously after the silly stuff happened on their website before he wanted to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.Plus, even today, no one knows what the fuck Azubu DOES. It's worth investigating. Dame da na, zenzen dame da ze!

itsjustatank Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Hong Kong 9043 Posts #6 On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:

Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.



I have made a habit of reading legal stuff and considering what I find before I sign up or use a service, it's just good practice to do it. I have made a habit of reading legal stuff and considering what I find before I sign up or use a service, it's just good practice to do it. Photographer "im a fucking big fat dirty whale" -EternaLEnVy

FlukyS Profile Blog Joined August 2011 Ireland 481 Posts #7 I think it has to be option 2, I can't see any reason for jtv to open another competing service for any reason what so ever. It just wouldn't make sense.

SoraLimit Profile Joined February 2011 Canada 643 Posts #8 On March 05 2013 14:34 InfestedOne wrote:

Agreed. ^^ Either way though, their is some explaining to do. If I may ask, why did you decide to scroll through the terms of service for azubu.tv? I don't know a single person that ACTUALLY READS that stuff, along with the End User License Agreement stuff. Just wondering.

I assume more people now, especially streamers would read the fine print ever since the whole incident with Own3d.tv I assume more people now, especially streamers would read the fine print ever since the whole incident with Own3d.tv

Integra Profile Blog Joined January 2008 Sweden 5609 Posts #9 wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv? "Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014

Rekrul Profile Blog Joined November 2002 Korea (South) 17172 Posts #10 AZUBUCOM why so 진지해?

LuckyFool Profile Blog Joined June 2007 United States 9009 Posts #11 On March 05 2013 14:40 Integra wrote:

wait, what...azubu.tv IS twitch.tv?



No wonder azubu had so much money to throw around before they "did" anything!



It all makes so much sense now! The secret has finally been exposed, justin.tv faked a competitor to further manipulate the streaming industry. No wonder azubu had so much money to throw around before they "did" anything!It all makes so much sense now! The secret has finally been exposed, justin.tv faked a competitor to further manipulate the streaming industry.

ROOTCatZ Profile Blog Joined June 2005 Peru 1176 Posts #12 On March 05 2013 14:44 Rekrul wrote:

AZUBUCOM



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Torte de Lini Profile Blog Joined September 2010 Germany 30668 Posts #13 What does dba mean? https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)

Vaelone Profile Blog Joined February 2011 Finland 2405 Posts #14 On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:

What does dba mean?



It's in the OP.



DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name. It's in the OP.DBA is a legal term in the United States for "doing business as," something required when operating with a fictious business name.

recklessfire Profile Joined September 2010 United States 371 Posts #15 On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:

What does dba mean?



doing business as doing business as

itsjustatank Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Hong Kong 9043 Posts #16 On March 05 2013 14:48 Torte de Lini wrote:

What does dba mean?



doing business as



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_business_as



a legal thing you have to do in the United States to operate under a fictitious name doing business asa legal thing you have to do in the United States to operate under a fictitious name Photographer "im a fucking big fat dirty whale" -EternaLEnVy

dAPhREAk Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Nauru 12390 Posts #17



azubu is a registered corporation (assuming this is a related corp). i couldnt find twitch so they may be under a different name, or they arent registered in California to do business. Entity Name: AZUBU NORTH AMERICA INC.

Entity Number: C3523560

Date Filed: 12/12/2012

Status: ACTIVE

Jurisdiction: DELAWARE

Entity Address: 1639 11TH STREET

Entity City, State, Zip: SANTA MONICA CA 90404

Agent for Service of Process: C T CORPORATION SYSTEM

Agent Address: 818 W SEVENTH ST

Agent City, State, Zip: LOS ANGELES CA 90017

http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/

Zidane Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 1655 Posts #18 Well they're both in SF, although azubu's location is different from twitch.

Yokwe Profile Joined December 2012 United States 35 Posts #19 Competition is almost always good in scenarios like this. "Pudding...wait for it....pops." - Bill Cosby

dAPhREAk Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Nauru 12390 Posts #20



soemone pointed out twitch is owned by justin.tv Entity Name: JUSTIN.TV, INC.

Entity Number: C2794497

Date Filed: 12/29/2006

Status: ACTIVE

Jurisdiction: DELAWARE

Entity Address: 47 LUSK ST

Entity City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107

Agent for Service of Process: MICHAEL SEIBEL

Agent Address: 47 LUSK ST

Agent City, State, Zip: SAN FRANCISCO CA 94107

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