Tenz Profile Joined February 2010 Australia 106 Posts #1 .



What I'm curious about and want to hear peoples opinions on are what games are blooming into full ESPORTS ? The reason I ask is because I'm mainly a SC2 person, I play lots of video games but currently the only one I spectate and play seriously is Starcraft 2. However, I'm looking at the Dreamhack stuff and noticing the SC2 streams at roughly 10k all up (from the ones I can see) and then I switch to my other tab and notice LoL with 80k+ viewers.



Now I've always been told that LoL has a very small competitive scene and is only in WCG etc because Riot Games really pushes it hard, but this had made me question things.



TLDR; So guys and gals in summary, what games do you think are quickly becoming full blown ESPORTS, which games do you see having a long-term future and which games have enough money flowing around the circuits to become a professional career for players?

I apologize for the thread title, I couldn't figure out how else to put it and hopefully I've posted this in the correct forumWhat I'm curious about and want to hear peoples opinions on are what games are blooming into full ESPORTS ? The reason I ask is because I'm mainly a SC2 person, I play lots of video games but currently the only one I spectate and play seriously is Starcraft 2. However, I'm looking at the Dreamhack stuff and noticing the SC2 streams at roughly 10k all up (from the ones I can see) and then I switch to my other tab and notice LoL withviewers.Now I've always been told that LoL has a very small competitive scene and is only in WCG etc because Riot Games really pushes it hard, but this had made me question things.So guys and gals in summary, what games do you think are quickly becoming full blown ESPORTS, which games do you see having a long-term future and which games have enough money flowing around the circuits to become a professional career for players?

GizmoPT Profile Joined May 2010 Portugal 3033 Posts #2 Its a free and easier game off course it will attract more people than starcraft xD Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!

Phenny Profile Joined October 2010 Australia 1435 Posts #3 25kish all up, 12k on Day9tv, 6k Totalbiscuit, 1.8 for ICCUP, 3k for Khaldor, 500 for SETT, 1.2 for Ragequit.



I don't get why such a casual oriented game like LoL has 80k+ viewers, not that I'm not happy that esports is growing. I think it's great!



Might be too soon to call your question, all I'd bank on is Starcraft for now, but if that's how many people usually tune in to large LoL tournies that's amazing.

TheAwesomeAll Profile Joined January 2011 Netherlands 1601 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:46:38 #4

Also, im not sure about this, but some people say that everyone who logs onto LoL will get the stream.

edit: im pretty sure people logging in to LoL will automatically connect to the stream.Riot games uses

'Pando Media Booster'

Dreamhack is competing with the gsl finals atm, lets not forget.Also, im not sure about this, but some people say that everyone who logs onto LoL will get the stream.edit: im pretty sure people logging in to LoL will automatically connect to the stream.Riot games uses'Pando Media Booster' The Pando Media Booster is a tiny (2MB) UI-less client that enables you to cost effectively stream full-screen HD video by leveraging your viewer's collective spare bandwidth. Running as a secure transparent background service on your viewer's computer, the Media Booster optimizes video streams by intelligently streaming your videos from multiple sources; your CDN servers as well as the computer's of other viewers ("Peer Cloud").

messing with the viewer count.

End of the thread imo messing with the viewer count.End of the thread imo dr Helvetica <3

Phenrei Profile Joined July 2010 United States 158 Posts #5 This was explained somewhat in a post on the dreamhack thread. LoL has ONE tourney right now, and this one is it. SC2's tourney scene, as we all know, is so crowded I'm sure a ton of people are just going to be tuning in for the matches they want to see and VODding the rest.

Phenny Profile Joined October 2010 Australia 1435 Posts #6 On June 18 2011 19:12 Phenrei wrote:

This was explained somewhat in a post on the dreamhack thread. LoL has ONE tourney right now, and this one is it. SC2's tourney scene, as we all know, is so crowded I'm sure a ton of people are just going to be tuning in for the matches they want to see and VODding the rest.



Ahh this makes sense, thanks.

Ahh this makes sense, thanks.

GhostFall Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 830 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:20:15 #7 I hate to burst your bubble, but lol is on the owned stream, which have bugged stream counters. They'll fix themselves after the stream is over and you can see how many views they really got.



Aside from SC2 I think fighters are getting bigger.



LoL not so much, the scene is too small atm.

Tenz Profile Joined February 2010 Australia 106 Posts #8 On June 18 2011 19:18 GhostFall wrote:

I hate to burst your bubble, but lol is on the owned stream, which have bugged stream counters



See this is something I suspected, it's showing over 100k+ viewers now. But still question remains, what other titles could become ESPORTS? See this is something I suspected, it's showing over 100k+ viewers now. But still question remains, what other titles could become ESPORTS?

billyX333 Profile Blog Joined January 2008 United States 1360 Posts #9 dreamhack peaked at 100k viewers last time

GhostFall Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 830 Posts #10 like i said fighters are getting bigger, but they're not a single game.



SFIV, MVC3, BBCS, KOF, MK9 all of them together bring in a lot of views.

Dezire Profile Joined December 2010 Netherlands 639 Posts #11 must be bugged BoxeR, HuK, IdrA, Minigun, MVP <3

Angra Profile Blog Joined May 2009 United States 2158 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:23:40 #12 I'm going to get a lot of hate from this probably, but LoL isn't a very competitive game. Or at least not something that you would call an "e-sport". The only reason it has so many viewers and such a large fanbase is because it's so extremely accessible to the casual person.

MiningSchuhu Profile Joined January 2011 Germany 52 Posts #13 Also you get a direct link to the stream when you opening up your LoL-client, the whole window is filled with "SEASON 1" and an embedded stream.

vyyye Profile Joined July 2010 Sweden 3915 Posts #14 On June 18 2011 19:22 Angra wrote:

I'm going to get a lot of hate from this probably, but LoL isn't a very competitive game. Or at least not something that you would call an "e-sport". The only reason it has so many viewers and such a large fanbase is because it's so extremely accessible to the casual person.

Your opinion is hardly relevant, it's played professionally and it's a video game. "In my opinion football is not a sport" does not make it less of a sport.



From wiki

"Electronic sports, abbreviated e-sports is used as a general term to describe the play of video games competitively. "



Anyway, isn't the fighting scene thriving? I don't follow it but I keep hearing EVO will be one of the greatest events ever and Jesus will descend from the heavens etcetc. Your opinion is hardly relevant, it's played professionally and it's a video game. "In my opinion football is not a sport" does not make it less of a sport.From wiki"Electronic sports, abbreviated e-sports is used as a general term to describe the play of video games competitively. "Anyway, isn't the fighting scene thriving? I don't follow it but I keep hearing EVO will be one of the greatest events ever and Jesus will descend from the heavens etcetc.

Nick! Profile Joined March 2011 Scotland 676 Posts Last Edited: 2011-06-18 10:34:03 #15 its early in the day

Enox Profile Joined April 2010 Germany 1613 Posts #16 apparently, LoL advertises this stream in the game itself, which of course has a huge impact. imagine if you log into battle.net and there would be a huge dreamhack stream button If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.

vyyye Profile Joined July 2010 Sweden 3915 Posts #17 On June 18 2011 19:32 Enox wrote:

apparently, LoL advertises this stream in the game itself, which of course has a huge impact. imagine if you log into battle.net and there would be a huge dreamhack stream button

Doesn't Blizzard do this as well? I know they've had "X tournament is coming up" and some recaps scattered within their own news.

No idea if they're linking it now though, too busy watching Nani to check for myself. Doesn't Blizzard do this as well? I know they've had "X tournament is coming up" and some recaps scattered within their own news.No idea if they're linking it now though, too busy watching Nani to check for myself.

Enox Profile Joined April 2010 Germany 1613 Posts #18 well, posting a news about an event is different to embedding a stream or providing a direct link If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.

OmniscientSC2 Profile Blog Joined January 2010 United States 711 Posts #19 On June 18 2011 19:33 vyyye wrote:

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On June 18 2011 19:32 Enox wrote:

apparently, LoL advertises this stream in the game itself, which of course has a huge impact. imagine if you log into battle.net and there would be a huge dreamhack stream button

Doesn't Blizzard do this as well? I know they've had "X tournament is coming up" and some recaps scattered within their own news.

No idea if they're linking it now though, too busy watching Nani to check for myself. Doesn't Blizzard do this as well? I know they've had "X tournament is coming up" and some recaps scattered within their own news.No idea if they're linking it now though, too busy watching Nani to check for myself.



It's a huge overlay on the launcher with an embedded stream and a 'view in browser' link. I can never see blizzard doing this xD It's a huge overlay on the launcher with an embedded stream and a 'view in browser' link. I can never see blizzard doing this xD "Did you know about Day and the Wicker Basket?" - Harem "Hi, I'm from Texas." -TLO

Kickboxer Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Slovenia 1156 Posts #20 I'm positive that only Sc2 and fighting games are even remotely watchable to non-players.



Diablo might get in there if casuals can understand what's going on.



Shooters and WoW have zero spectator appeal, and LoL is in the same league but has a massive and very casual playerbase so a huge tourney here and there might get some viewers (those numbers are most probably broken, though).

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