Appearing on Fox & Friends, syndicated radio host and Daily Wire editor in chief Ben Shapiro offered a skeptical and cautious review of President Donald Trump‘s meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un on Tuesday.

Shapiro tamped down on some of the enthusiastic “triumphalism” coming from Trump world. He noted in particular the terrible imagery of the American and North Korean flags side by side, something which has been the subject of much criticism overnight.

“If you thought of the flag that was next to the American flag as a Nazi flag rather than a North Korean flag, everybody would see the concern,” he said. “This is slave state with 25 million prisoners and gulag system hundreds of thousands people wide… the president’s praise for the dictator of North Korea was disquieting.”

“The triumphalism that seems to be appearing in so many places this morning, where everybody is excited that President Trump met with Kim, that’s not justified by the outcome yet,” he said.

Shapiro also gave a harsh review to the document signed by Trump and Kim. “The piece of paper that got signed yesterday is frankly weak,” he said. “This is not a strong piece of paper.”

He also had very harsh words for the president giving a “thumbs up” to a “tin pot dictator”, saying it was unnecessary praise that undermined Trump’s previous work drawing a hard line with the despot. “Treating him as a leader is wrong,” said Shapiro.

Shapiro added that if everything Trump and the triumphalists are saying is true and accurate, and what he claims will happen does in fact happen, then he would praise Trump for it along with everyone else.

It’s a big if, though, he argues.

“I’m deeply skeptical that Kim Jong Un and President Trump are going to be besties and that this will suddenly change the world,” he said. “But I’m happy to be proved wrong.”

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