Recently, Jim Garlow, pastor of the Skyline Church, an evangelical Christian megachurch located in La Mesa, Calif., sat down with theologian and author Wayne Grudem for an hour-long discussion on “Biblical Issues for This Election” that was based on a document (pdf) Grudem put together comparing the positions of the Democratic and Republican parties.

During the wide-ranging discussion, the two spent a good deal of time on the topic of marriage equality which, not surprisingly, they both vociferously oppose, as Garlow explained that “sexual orientation” doesn’t really exist and is just a modern phenomenon cooked up in the last few years.

As such, nobody is really born gay, and though some may have a “pernicious tendency towards same-sex attraction,” that doesn’t mean they have to act on it, just as “every health heterosexual male … has a pernicious tendency towards polygamy” but doesn’t act on that or seek legal endorsement and approval for it: