Sp12er3 said: It looks more closed than open, what the heck?

Is cloth that permeable these days? Click to expand...

Hunh, so from a few pictures you are ready to declare them to have nonremovable pads and they are therefore 'dead on arrival'?The pads could be on a plastic ring that clips into place...you have no way of telling if those are non removable pads.Have you ever seen speakers? With the cloth grill covers? It looks like an open backed headphone with cloth stretched over the entire outer cup. That is potentially a very open configuration.