Donald Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani said on Wednesday that he was able to be tough on black criminals because he had no “racial guilt,” and he asserted that it was improper to ever call anyone — especially in the Trump campaign — a racist.

During an interview on MSNBC, host Stephanie Ruhle told the former New York Mayor that she had never seen “the hate and the racism” from presidential campaign supporters like she has seen from Trump’s backers.

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And after Giuliani insisted “there’s no racism,” Ruhle pointed to Steve Bannon, who quit Breitbart News to become CEO of the Trump campaign.

“You don’t think Breitbart News, Steven Bannon, the architect of Donald Trump’s campaign — what do you believe Breitbart represents?” the MSNBC host asked.

“Racist? The last thing in this world that Donald Trump is is a racist,” Giuliani scoffed. “The man likes white people, he likes black people, he likes Hispanic people, he plays golf with them.”

“But can you say that Steven Bannon doesn’t run Donald Trump’s campaign?” Ruhle pressed. “He’s the CEO of the campaign.”

“Donald Trump runs Donald Trump’s campaign!” Giuliani exclaimed.

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“Then what’s he doing even paying Steven Bannon?” Ruhle shot back.

“To say that Donald Trump is a racist is outrageous!” Giuliani replied indignantly. “To call anybody a racist is outrageous. I can’t stand that.”

“Hold on,” Ruhle interrupted. “There are people that you can call racist.”

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Giuliani, however, pivoted: “It’s Hillary Clinton who says to us, we all have implicit bias.”

“Hillary, I got news for you, I don’t,” he added. “Maybe you do. I have no racial guilt. Not a single bit of it, which is why I’m willing to tell the truth about black crime and what has to be done about it.”

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“And there is no mayor in this history of this city that saved more black lives than me. Nobody even close.”

Ruhle continued her line of questioning about Bannon, but the discussion quickly devolved as Giuliani accused MSNBC of being “left wing and totally anti-Trump and totally anti-Republican.”

“You got some people on this station that are flying off the wall,” he charged.

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Watch the video below from MSNBC, broadcast Oct. 26, 2016.