It's the Season 4 finale, so we've got some deep philosophical debates: Is Ben already plotting his return to the island? Is Locke really cut out to lead the Others? And who are this season's most and least valuable players? Plus we chat with Michael Emerson, who tells us what it was like to turn the Frozen Donkey Wheel and why he was always playing Ben's lines for laughs. Find us on Twitter @TheHatchPodcast and at Facebook.com/thehatchpodcast. Leave us your hot take at +1 954-6-DHARMA. Our theme music is by Andy G. Cohen and our cover art is by Danny Roth.