God dammit

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I'm sad she got attacked but what's wrong with that tweet?

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Not knowing any context I'd wager she's one of those that think Bernie is some kind of future dictator because she feels that wanting to change the current class system is ... dAngERoUs.

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Because Dem supporters don't like when people call out their bullshit

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I really love you and respect so highly Ms. DuVernay, but we all know that Bernie is not only fighting against Republicans. This fight is also against Democratic Establishment who have failed the American people. It is time for change and for a government for and by the people. — ✊🏾🇱🇷MisFitBlackGirl👸🏾LIB_QN32🇺🇸🌹🐦✂️ (@LibQn32) February 22, 2020 Yup. Ava blocked this woman for this tweet lol:

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I’m so tired of this discourse.

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*pretends to be shocked*

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can someone explain his tweet i'm confused what she was referring to

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his tweet was just calling out establishment politicians who believe in upholding the status quo

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“Pick me” but make it politics.

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lmfaooooo

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I totally heard that in Tyra’s voice.

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Pick me. Choose me. Love me.

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The icon fits

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the majority of ppl that interacted with her were respectful af because i saw this unfold in real time

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Yeah I just clicked to see the replies and I’m not seeing where all the ”terrorizing” is?

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there were maybe 3-4 really stupid fucking idiots who said something but everyone else was like "ava i love your work but i respectfully disagree" and somehow it's a huge thing

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Yup lol this post...

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Seriously! I cannot believe this became a thing. I was following in real time and when she made that tweet about being terrorized I was so damn confused.



This is not the first time I've seen this play out on social media with both Sanders and Warren supporters. There are some vile ass people on social media but come on. Being disagreed with is not harrassment.



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exactly. There are some obnoxious Bernie supporters out there (as with all candidates), but I'm tired of people running with the toxic Bernie Bros narrative anytime their opinion is politely or legitimately challenged. Cher even referred to the same Bernie tweet as stating his rhetoric was more Trumpian-like than a real Democrat. Imagine thinking Bernie's challenge of status quo Democrat politics over the past few decades and support of M4A is anything like Trump's fascist like rhetoric. Cognitive dissonance. And I love Cher.



And then there are those who refuse to vote Bernie because of said supporters. Imagine not voting for a candidate who pushes policies you overwhelmingly agree w/ b/c you don't like a few of his annoying online supporters.

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Jane Lynch ( a Buttigieg supporter) is also in the thread responding to bernie's tweet with "oh bernie FFS." All the blue check marks in that thread are frothing at the mouth in fear that he's winning lol



These rich people want to back anyone but him to ensure their wealth and tax advantages are preserved to the fullest, to hell with the average person getting universal healthcare.

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Yeah! I follow her and a lot of them were saying why they disagree with her without name calling and actual arguments, there were others who were just replying with gifs lol and a few who were shitty but they weren't the majority

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Same. This post is disingenuous af.

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I'm really upset, to the point of actual tears, that there are actually people on my timeline saying that Fidel Castro is their hero. Idk what to do guys. I am so unhappy over this entire thing.

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Bernie Sanders said 'it's unfair to simply say everything is bad' about Fidel Castro's Cuba. So I think that's why Castro is now being a topic of conversation which ummm ok work!

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Bernie was asked about his comments about Castro in the 80's last night and he responded basically with "yeah he was a dictator but he increased literacy! It wasn't all bad!



Castro increased literacy because he wanted people to read his propaganda. He murdered thousands of his own people. He set up concentration camps for gay people. He fucking destroyed Cuba. Seeing 20-year old white dudes on my timeline "wELl actually" he wasn't that bad or even "he was a great leader" has been devastating to me.







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Yeah, I was reading about his comments on Castro this morning and YIKES

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That was such a YIKES moment.

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Have you ever been to Cuba? I’ve traveled there a bit in the past few years and I was shocked at what I saw. I have Cuban family members who had to escape and of course they hate Castro, etc, but I was legit taken back when I met people who actually support the regime and are very happy with their lives. It has become less shocking with every trip and of course there are many stuck there who hate it but never in my wildest dreams did I think I would ever see what I saw. It really shook me tbh.

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Look, I imagine your family is from Cuba and I am sure you have your reasons to be mad at those comments and that's not my beef. Cubans and Latinos have all kinds of different reaction to Castro and no one should be idolizing him (which Sanders most definitely isn't).



But all the white ppl replying saying what he said was absurd (the white ones, not the latino ones) ...... lmao. shut the fuck up. y'all have absolutely no clue about Latin America politics and y'all don't care.



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I'm sorry. my bff is the child of a Cubana who fled to Miami, I grew up in Florida and lived years in Miami, I know how Cubans in this country feel from from raw, personal experience about Castro from their families' stories. *hug*

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no they very much were in her follow ups

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i find the pile-ons easier to stand when i remember there are paid right wing operatives out there muddying the waters on social media. not to say that there are no overzealous assholes supporting bernie... but some of them are shitstirring moles.



also it’s easy to get sucked into reading comments in pile-ons (believe me, it was my go-to timewaster for years) but for good mental health, set a timer for 5 minutes and close the browser when it dings. it’s a distraction from what’s important. keep your head up!

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I really didn't like Bernie's tweet either. Don't know if I can say why, but something about it rubs me the wrong way.

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Basically, he's saying "fuck everyone I'm the only good guy"

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Which is what he's been saying since 2016. He said in 2016 that he was running because Elizabeth Warren wasn't running. Well, in 2020, Warren is running... but, oh, look, here's Bernie, 4 years older, running again because now Warren isn't good enough. The oppo research on him is absolutely HORRENDOUS and it's going to completely destroy him come general election time. (The rape fantasy essays he wrote in college, unemployed into his 30s, deadbeat dad, college money scandal that his wife was involved in, the Russian honeymoon, the Castro/Guevara lovefests, voting with the NRA over and over again, etc. And that's not even all of it! How the Repubs will use this stuff!) If Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee, we are almost definitely looking at four more years of Trump.

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That's all politicians

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that's literally every dem in the running?

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did he lie tho??????

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yeah it's like Mark Ruffalo implying everyone who doesn't support him is a centrist or a moderate

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Because Democrats aren't the fucking enemy here, but Bernie and his supporters spend more time attacking tHE dEM eStabLishMEnt than they do the real enemies.

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The Dem establishment = anyone who isn’t up Bernie’s ass.



The political establishment =\= a career politician who has been in Congress for 30 years.



Don’t get it twisted, Ava!



For real though, watching the twitter drama about that tweet has been bonkers.



And also just the tweet itself is more suited to a rally than twitter. Bernie is the front runner. He need to be thinking about November and part of winning in November is going to be getting the Dem establishment to vote for him.

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considering you have centrist dems comparing bernie to trump and dem pundits comparing him to hitler, i wouldn't exactly say he's calling out "anyone who isn't up his ass" as a fair assessment of that tweet AT ALL

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ITA

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The problem is, a tweet divorced from context means different things to different people. Was this in response to Chris Matthews? Idk!



My point was “the Dem establishment” can mean different things to anyone reading it. Maybe someone like Ava who has been a member of the party for a long time and worked with Dem politicians on important things like civil rights sees herself as Dem establishment? So maybe it’s not a good idea to alienate people like them?

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Seriously

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MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY.





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well, I mean the dnc literally conspired against him last election so don’t really blame him for his tweet🤷🏻‍♀️

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It’s really weird we’re calling it that when it’s clear there are just (usually older) dems who want to win at any cost and keep electing shitty centrist dems bc they think they can convince republicans to their side and bring civility back and (usually younger) dems who want to elect someone who isn’t a republican light and actually create real change.



The political establishment for dems hasn’t really served us other than marriage equality and dreamers.



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lmao are u honestly trying to argue Sanders is part of the "political establishment" because he's been in Congress for 30 years? lmaooo. it makes no sense. "political establishment" is, obviously, a reference to how you vote, who you believe in and who you fight for, not how many decades you're actually involved in politics.



He need to be thinking about November and part of winning in November is going to be getting the Dem establishment to vote for him.

not that I disagree but are you telling me the "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!!!!!" peeps weren't being honest and will now need convincing? mmmm. who'd have thought!

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The Dem establishment means someone like Pelosi who is caping for someone like Henry Cuellar in Texas who has voted with Trump 67% of the time vs. a true progressive candidate from the district who came from nothing, is from immigrant parents and made herself like Jessica Cisneros.

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Not specific to this and unpopular opinion, but aside from the obviously terrible responses (outward threats, racism, homophobia, etc), a lot of people love dropping their opinion on Twitter, a public forum, and then expecting either everyone to agree or radio silence? If people disagree with them because it's something they're passionate about, all of a sudden it's an attack. I very rarely see people actually engage in discourse that they start. If you don't want people to engage, just write that shit in your diary, man.



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its why twitter is garbage for this kind of conversation

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IA

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lol yea, I notice this a lot, even here. When you share your opinion on a public forum people are allowed to engage to disagree, if you don't want to deal with that, share your opinion with like minded people irl instead. And people are so quick to claim they are attacked, at this point it's hard to take seriously because it's obvious a lot of people are incapable of separating actual attacks from disagreements. I also think it's shitty when people get mainly constructive disagreement and like, 5% attacks but make it seem like it was the majority doing the attacking, it's manipulative.

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Agreed. If you just want people to like and agree with you, twitter is probably not the forum for it, especially when it comes to politics.

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IA. Don’t post your opinions on a public forum and then get upset when people disagree.

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I wanted to say this too! what are these people expecting? On Twitter??? Ava is smarter than that

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"just write that shit in your diary, man."



make it merch asap

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Exactly. People want to tweet out their opinions (political ones nonetheless) to thousands of followers and then get upset when people disagree or politically challenge them. Then suddenly it’s an “attack.”

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Or if you're here, your LJ.

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i don't agree with ava here but i also don't agree with this line of thinking that if you aren't prepared to engage in a debate, don't publicly share your opinion. that's kind of a slippery slope to "it's your job to educate me" type of logic. not to sound dramatic but there are lot of people out there that don't necessarily have time to engage in a nuanced debate on every opinion they have every time they talk about it, because they're busy trying to survive out here. should they not contribute their thoughts at all?

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rme

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I saw this unfold and while there were a few immature Bernie supporters talking poorly to her, most of the people were entirely civil. She said she doesn’t think Bernie is the candidate to beat Trump. Most of the the Bernie supporters replying to her were trying to tell her why she was wrong. She took that as Bernie supporters ganging up on her bc we are apparently all overzealous cultists. Confirmation bias is a thing.



But I see you OP.



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I see you too :)

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you can have 100 bernie supporters give civil retorts but there just has to be 2 people out of pocket and you can bet there'll be an ontd thread about it

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There can be 100 Sanders supporters in a room...

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i mean this is true for anything and why websites are overrun with this clickbait shit. “twitter calls fruit loops racist against black people” when it’s like two people out of millions of users, and one of the tweets is obviously facetious. like unless it’s a major controversy, it’s always like that with these media outlets and idg how people still fall for it.

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Bloop

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