Perhaps so... but Lap3 isn't a supported vendor on this forum at this point... so your statement is moot. Lap3 is welcomed to discuss what they've done or even what they are doing. At this point they are not directly offering anything for sale in respect of our forum rules, and that's fine. w/r/t a long history... what this forum has proven time and time again is that a long history does not automatically equate to quality tunes, products, and service. Ever hear of PowerAxel? They've been around for a very long time, but you couldn't pay me to drop one of their tunes in my car. There are a number of established KDM vendors in the community that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.