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"VIDEO: Maddow Explains Who's Running, Enflaming the Republicanist Town Hall Mob Show"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/6/2009 @ 8:42 pm PT...





Rightwing media, corporations, and the GOP are trying to incite violence. It's for one reason: the GOP is in the minority. They can only intimidate. The fakesters say "We've been silent too long", as if they're real activists. Yeah, they've been silent exactly EIGHT YEARS: the eight years of the Bush administration. They're FAKE! The most important thing, is the FAKE "liberal media" broadcasting it, saying they're legitimate...and not pointing out it's FAKE. The FAKE "liberal media" isn't inept, they're doing their job: propaganda! WAKE UP, PEOPLE! If you don't realize the mainstream media isn't "liberal" and part of the sham is getting you to believe it's liberal...there's really no hope for you. Don't go around saying: "They're not doing their job", then YOU DON'T GET IT!!! If everyone exposes all this stuff, and doesn't point out that the "liberal media" isn't liberal and it's a SHAM...read the book "The Republican Noise Machine" by David Brock. David Brock says the "liberal media" is a HOAX! Use your own head, too. Look at the FACTS in front of your FACE. It's all for not...if you don't additionally get it, that they ARE doing their job. You will continuously go around fruitlessly and incorrectly saying and thinking "they're not doing their job". Do you honestly think that? You've probably been saying all your life, that they aren't doing their job. Do you know why? Do you know why your whole life you've been saying "they're not doing their job" or when they DO report something (rarely) good, you say "they're turned the corner"...but then once again you realize they haven't? Because they never were liberal, we've just been told that by the same people who are in on the SHAM. I get it. I'm 100% certain I am right. Will everyone else please get it?

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/6/2009 @ 8:44 pm PT...





LOOK: AP reported on town hall disruptions, ignored conservative strategy http://mediamatters.org/research/200908060014

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/6/2009 @ 8:45 pm PT...





They ignored it ON PURPOSE! Do you think they don't know what WE know? They're not that stupid! They cannot POSSIBLY be that stupid! There is a 100% chance they are purposely ignoring it.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/6/2009 @ 9:03 pm PT...





Read: David Brock, the reformed conservative noise-maker, on how the Right has sabotaged journalism, democracy, and truth. As a young journalist in the 1990s, David Brock was a key cog the Republican noise machine. Writing for the American Spectator, a conservative magazine funded by billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, Brock gained fame for his attack pieces on Anita Hill and President Bill Clinton. Then, in 2002, Brock came clean. In his memoir, Blinded by the Right, Brock admitted that his work was based on lies and distortion, and part of a coordinated smear campaign funded by wealthy right wing groups to discredit Clinton and confuse the public. Since then, Brock has continued to expose the conservative media onslaught. In his newest book, The Republican Noise Machine, Brock documents how right-wing groups pressure the media and spread misinformation to the public. It's easy to see how this is done. Fringe conspiracies and stories will be kept alive by outlets like Rush Limbaugh, the Washington Times, and the Drudge Report, until they finally break into the mainstream media. Media groups like Brent Bozell's Media Research Center have spent 30 years convincing the public that the media is, in fact, liberal. As Brock says, it's all a sham: "I have seen, and I know firsthand, indeed from my own pen, how the organized Right has sabotaged not only journalism but also democracy and truth." The Republican Noise Machine David Brock's MediaMatters.org.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/6/2009 @ 9:05 pm PT...





David Brock can be described no better than "whistleblower", he was one of them. He tells you exactly what they do, from being on the inside.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Luther Weeks said on 8/6/2009 @ 10:43 pm PT...





Video from Connecticut, shows Anthem Blue Cross golf shirt on protester that actually says nobody is behind the protest. http://www.myleftnutmeg....ing-sponsored-by-anybody

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... eric said on 8/7/2009 @ 12:06 am PT...





I wish we all, who support health care reform, could quickly organize mass protests and marches in favor of a public plan. I bet our numbers would be overwhelming.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 12:42 am PT...





That's it Luther, I figured there is a lot of health insurance company workers in Tampa afraid of losing their jobs.

I'll go so far as to say better than 90% of those "outraged citizens" are same, there is like 2-3 million in the US...but will the media report it?

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 12:53 am PT...





I say they're using Beck et al as a diversion to plant health insurance company workers at the town halls, with a smidgen of tea-baggers joining in. They look like the type on the video. You hear this Countdown and Rachel producers?

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Disllusioned said on 8/7/2009 @ 12:57 am PT...





If MSNBC weren't reporting this, Imagine how few people would even know about it.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Jeannie Dean said on 8/7/2009 @ 3:26 am PT...





Outrageous video from Tampa! But O! Calloo, Callay! To see the doors slammed in the faces of REPUBLICAN protesters in Florida for a change.

Like breathing fresh-mountain air after years of being told fresh-mountain air freshener is the better thing. Also good to know that Florida's anti-democratic tendency to hold public meetings (and private vote counting) behind closed doors is a strategy meant to vex both election observer Ellen Brodsky and torch-bearing angry mobs. (Tho' just try guessing which meeting is more likely to result in arrest!) I'm pretty sure we saw that stupifying scene (despite the Fox pro-health insurance company spin) thanks to the incredible activists in the Tampa/ St. Pete area, who I know were organizing to arrive early and re-keel the battle in support of Cathy Castor. And Beck has to go, YESTERDAY. Before someone gets really hurt. This is not just the zenith of irresponsible journalism and low-ball blather- jeezus, it's "inciting a riot"? What are the odds of that sticking, anyone, given that Fox already has legal precedence from the courts that allows them to lie. Eric (#7) - I understand the AFL-CIO is organizing it's ranks to counter-tuit some of this madness: http://www.huffingtonpos...on-conserv_n_252720.html Oh, I'm so in. Dear fact-challenged, horrible assbags out there shilling for rich corporations by blocking any meaningful debate with my legislator about my health care: I'm coming to a "town hall" near you... Let's put your great health care to the test.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 4:00 am PT...





"Protester" admits he "sells drugs" to the reporter Click on "tensions run high

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:08 am PT...





Technically, these FAKE protesters are made up of astroturfers, but also of idiots who believe their scare tactic lies like death sentences for old people. They make up lies to scare people, and some of these "protesters" are probably real people who are scared of : health care change death sentence for old people, illegal aliens, birthers, etc... The birthers are real, and falling for lies. See? Idiots can be easily tricked by the astroturfers. They can be easily whipped up into a frenzy with lies, because they're stupid. Sorry for being so blunt, but they're stupid. It is TRUE, they can find someone, interview them, and that person is not being paid by the astroturfers. BUT...they are there because they believe the astroturfers' lies. I heard some interviews the "liberal media" is putting up, interviewing some protesters. They say: "I am not being paid by anyone". BUT...where's the follow up question, of whether they think health care change is a death sentence for the elderly, like they lies the astroturfers are telling them? So, the FAKE "liberal media" is doing their propaganda job again: interviewing someone who isn't being paid by the astroturfers...BUT NOT FOLLOWING UP AND ASKING IF THEY BELIEVE THEIR LIES!!!

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:18 am PT...





The NEW tactic by the FAKE "liberal media" enablers, is to interview ONE person who says "I'm not being paid by anyone to be here", and this is expected to somehow give legitimacy to the Town Hall protesters. But the protesters are are made of up TWO factions: 1. The FAKE astroturfers

2. The IDIOTS who believe their lies --->>> THESE ARE THE ONES BEING EXCLUSIVELY INTERVIEWED BY THE FAKE LIBERAL MEDIA ENABLERS!!! THEY AREN'T INTERVIEWING THE ASTROTURFERS!!! The astroturfers' "useful idiots" can be whipped up into a frenzy by them any time for any reason: Obama isn't a citizen, health care reform will kill old people, etc... When the FAKE "liberal media" interviews a protester who says they're not being paid by anyone, why don't they ask them if they think Obama is a citizen and if health care reform will kill old people??? This would prove that these protesters are the astroturfers' "useful idiots".

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:21 am PT...





If the "liberal media" interviews a protester and they also say they think Obama's a citizen and health care reform won't kill old people, THEN I will say that's a legitimate protester. I haven't seen that yet. The FAKE "liberal media": NOW throwing up in our faces, protesters who aren't being paid or aren't shills...BUT ARE IDIOTS who probably also believe Obama isn't a citizen AND health care reform kills old people! HALF the story, as usual again, by the FAKE "liberal media", like some kind of INFOMERCIAL FOR RICH PEOPLES' INTERESTS!!!

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 7:04 am PT...





The mainstream media speaks for the wealthy, corporations, the military, and the government...but only when the government is doing thing for corporate interests. The Republicans ALWAYS do things for corporate interests. When Obama continued the Bush/Paulson bailouts, that was in corporate interests, so the mainstream media didn't attack him. When Obama tries something progressive or liberal like health care reform, what does the mainstream media do? What did they do? 1. They showed the Town Hall protests and portrayed them as REAL GRASSROOTS. What did they do when the astroturfers were exposed? 2. They started interviewing protesters who said they weren't being paid. So, every step of the way, the mainstream media is trying to give legitimacy to shill protests...BECAUSE THEY AREN'T IN CORPORATE INTERESTS! The mainstream media isn't "liberal", it speaks for the wealthy, corporations, the military, and government ONLY WHEN GOVERNMENT DOESN'T TRY ANYTHING PROGRESSIVE! Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/w...;feature=player_embedded

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 7:07 am PT...





The mainstream media is DOING THEIR JOB! They're supposed to speak for the wealthy, corporations, the military, and the government only when government speaks for them. So, don't say "they aren't doing their job", or when they rarely report something for the public interest instead of corporate interests, don't say: "They've turned the corner and are doing their job". It's the opposite: when they report something in the public and not the corporate interests...it's a FLUKE and they're NOT doing their job! Watergate was a FLUKE you'll never see again! They took care of that in the last few decades. You'll never see a president ever taken down again, unless they're doing something NOT IN THE CORPORATE INTERESTS!

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 7:08 am PT...





...and this concludes my RANT...thank you!

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... MsKitty said on 8/7/2009 @ 7:10 am PT...





Do not underestimate the 'tea baggers' size or ability to mobilize. To them socialism represents the Soviet Union and Stalin, a non-transparent totalitarian state. Very scary! To them the democratic socialist/capitalist countries in Europe don't exist, where countries live peacefully, there is universal healthcare and universal higher education. So, why are the Danes so happy? The key to success whatever in government system you have is TRANSPARENCY, INDEPENDENT MEDIA and RELIABLE ACCURATE VOTING. When we have all of these, we will be a totally free people. Keep up the great work Brad and company!

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 8/7/2009 @ 8:50 am PT...





The St. Louis Post-Dispatch is reporting that a conservative activist was beaten by lefty loon protestors last night. So don't you stand there and act like your side is all sweet and innocent, folks. These protests are real. It is Rachel Maddow who is fake. MSLSD's pathetic ratings reflect that.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 8:50 am PT...





Another question: how come during the Bush years, anti-Bush protesters (and it wasn't "astroturfing") were not let in, tazed, jailed, etc...??? You see all the time, the lawsuits now coming to an end, where they're won $$$ for having their rights violated. Amy Goodman was even arrested at the RNC convention. These idiots and astroturfers are allowed in to Town Hall meetings, allowed to shout down any debate, etc...and nothing happens to them. Not that I'm FOR it, but why aren't they being treated the same as protesters during the Bush years?

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 8:52 am PT...





Where was the "liberal media" coverage of protesters during the Bush years? Where's the "liberal media" coverage of all the anti-War protesters over the last 8 years? Someone should compare the "liberal media" coverage of the anti-War protesters over EIGHT YEARS vs. the "liberal media" coverage of the Town Hall protesters OVER THE LAST WEEK!!!!!

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 8:53 am PT...





Actually, there's anti-War protests GOING ON RIGHT NOW...but they're not being covered!

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Amerikagulag said on 8/7/2009 @ 9:14 am PT...





The real fraud is trying to perpetuate the myth that there's a dime's worth of difference between the RED and BLUE of the One-party system. Obama had support for CHANGE. We're still in Iraq ILLEGALLY. We're still in Afghanistan ILLEGALLY. Now we're talking about attacking Iran ILLEGALLY. I didn't vote for him. I voted for McKinney - that former congresswoman who was captured by Israeli Terrorist pirates in international waters and held hostage for several days, and about which Obama said NOTHING. The writing's on the wall folks. Anyone who believes there are two parties in this nation is severely deluded. Just ask Jonathan Turley. More bailouts for the wealthy bankers. More money for illegal invasions. More money for Insurance companies. The health care sham....well just wait. Obama is a tool just like the bush was.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 9:45 am PT...





I'm not worried about the "teabaggers size". If he's big it will make a better target when I kick him in the teabag.

nicey-nicey is over.

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/7/2009 @ 11:40 am PT...





Yep, Flo, nicey-nicey is indeed over, but the part that fries me is that they will have all of us fighting each other instead of them. I heard some great ideas for dealing with these shills at the Town Halls on Malloy last night: -- grab as many brown shirts from the second-hand stores as you can and pass them out to whoever starts yelling at the meetings; -- begin chanting U-S-A, U-S-A as loudly as possible whenever they start in; and -- take their picture when they open their mouths were some of the best ones I heard. I, for the life of me, can't see what's wrong with announcing at the very beginning of the meetings that this is a very well publicized plan to disrupt the orderly course of interaction with our representation and so anyone standing up and yelling this shit will be removed and prosecuted. More like they will accomplish their goal, though, and the best we are going to get is citizens making them pay for it with their bruised teabags.

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... Kate said on 8/7/2009 @ 2:54 pm PT...





I am a constitutionalist & donot feed into the fake Republican/Democrat 2 party paridigm illusion. I have attended in protest for this healthcare control scheme. I am a middle american so please stop portraying many of us as right wing brown shirts. Your blog reminds me of the Nixon years of stopping desent instead of calling names. Obama is a fascist dictator whom doesn't want disenters or protesters, Only "YES" men/women. If you have a problem with this message email to flag@whitehouse.gov and snitch away.

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Steve Heller said on 8/7/2009 @ 2:59 pm PT...





"In loyalty to their kind they cannot tolerate our minds. In loyalty to our kind we cannot tolerate their obstruction." [ed note: Hint for young people... --99]

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 3:29 pm PT...





Kate: 2 questions: 1. Why are you protesting? 2. Did you protest during the 8 years of Bush/Cheney. If you protested during the Bush/Cheney years, why did you protest?

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 8/7/2009 @ 3:32 pm PT...





3. Do you think "dissent" was stopped during the Bush/Cheney years? Can I make a prediction? Kate "stumbled upon this blog" and isn't coming back. (astroturfing)

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 5:43 pm PT...





Yup, Luthers clip was on Countdown tonight in the #5 story three times, lol

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:06 pm PT...





My #12 link was on Rachel, he-he

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:15 pm PT...





Frank Schafer quotes Bart Simpson, "The election broke their brains" (on Rach tonight)

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/7/2009 @ 6:19 pm PT...





I'm telling you guys, this is how the plutocrats got Mussolini in power in Italy, and Hitler in power in Germany. Suddenly, there's a whole fresh population of right wing shills popping up here and across the web again. Suddenly, I'm getting copies of the filthy crap being cranked out on the right wing email lists again... we are talking psychedelic stuff, waaaaay designed to enflame, without the least regard for the actual, and it is working. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. We are in trouble deep. They didn't have anything close to a majority in Italy and Germany back in the 1930s either, but they had bottomless funds, and they got it done. This isn't Michael Jackson gossip or anything to be all controversied-out about. This is the unmistakable appearance of third millennium Brown Shirts. This is a SERIOUS threat to any hope of getting our country back.

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 7:16 pm PT...



COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/7/2009 @ 8:22 pm PT...





I'd like to thank the people of New York for giving us Anthony Weiner. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#32337739

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/7/2009 @ 9:02 pm PT...





Yeah, well Zogby was skirting the issue and indulging in put-downs of people who may not be the most sophisticated critical thinkers, but do have reason to be angry and fearful. We spend so much time climbing all over Tush Lumpboil, Pill O'Really and Henn Peck, ignoring that their fabulous salaries, way out of proportion to what they bring in from advertising, are being paid by enemies of the Constitution, enemies of the people... profit-crazed plutocrats who make boatloads on wholesale slaughter and unsafe food and filthy planet-killing pollutant technologies. It's not helpful to call people too hypnotized to realize their enemies are using them for political and monetary gain "stupid" or "racist" or any of the other derogatory terms we love to sling around. It's just self-congratulatory blather that keeps us smug and as blind as those we're calling dolts. We have to pull out of this idiotic polemic and get real action. It's so close to absolutely too late I could just start screaming and never stop. "Full-blown American Version of the Nazi Brown Shirts" is an absolutely pitch-perfect statement of the situation, les mots juste, and we are waaaaaay closer to as bad as it got in Germany back then than it appears any but a few are willing to mention. This is TOTALLY unacceptable and TOTALLY un-American, and WE are as culpable as those we revile for this stuff because WE aren't getting this stuff handled either. This is scary shit, and I'm still floored that nobody lined up behind Bobby after he yelled out at Live Earth that he'd see us all behind the barricades. That was two years ago. He got up and screamed in the faces of the fuckers who killed his father and his uncle, and NOBODY lined up behind him. I'm still in shock. What in the living hell does it take to wake people up? A nuke? We're heading for that....

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 8/7/2009 @ 9:10 pm PT...





No! Seriously! Why the hell do we always go postal on the shills instead of getting to the heart of the matter? Too fucking pusillanimous is why! We know good and well none of those assholes would have jobs if we brought down their paymasters, but we don't. We have them outnumbered a thousand to one, but we just keep letting ourselves be manipulated into these stupid polemics while they loot the treasury, loot the planet. Rob. Us. Blind. I know, I know, they kill people who get in their way. It has ever been thus, and it isn't any excuse.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Patriot Henry said on 8/8/2009 @ 9:42 am PT...





WOW!!! I'm a libertarian who mostly spends time on a libertarian/conservative forum (less of the former and more of the latter as time goes by unfortunately) - it's like a mirror image of the comments here. Divide and conquer - works like a charm. Y'all, along with the Republicans/conservatives, are being controlled. It'll be very interesting, albeit very sad, to read about the future riots and war between the two parties. "I'm not worried about the "teabaggers size". If he's big it will make a better target when I kick him in the teabag.

nicey-nicey is over. " I won't be participating, other than perhaps as a photographer and eyewitness, but you "liberals" might want to reconsider fighting the "conservatives". I don't agree with their politics but in a fight I'm gonna put my money on those people. They have a much better grasp on the mechanics and techniques and instruments of fighting. If y'all keep insisting on fighting to determine whether America goes wholly communist or wholly fascist, this is gonna be a civil war. Thanks in advance for all of the deprivation of liberties and the cessation of the remaining rule of law! And thanks for all of the dead and wounded! /sarcasm. Regards, Patriot Henry

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/8/2009 @ 10:37 am PT...





Libertarians can eat my shit, I'm no liberal by any stretch, where I grew up I was considered middle to center right and some libertarian/conservative assholes moved the goal post far to the right over the last thirty years.

I'm going to fight like hell to move it back!!!

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/8/2009 @ 10:56 am PT...





Which side are you on, the middle class or the oligarchs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZkr2yWKk24

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... Thebes said on 8/9/2009 @ 12:38 pm PT...





So, its the "professional protester" line again, but this time from the Obamanoids rather than the Bushevics? I think its probably no more true now than when FoxNews was accusing me of being paid by Saddam Hussein! This country is in a ripe old mess! Healthcare surely needs to be reformed, but "reforming" it in such a way that pharmaceutical companies are spending 150 MILLION for tv adverts supporting it- that doesn't seem quite right. The problem with medicine in this country is the absurd profits it generates, especially for insurance companies and the drug pushers. Obamacare does NOTHING to address this problem rather it throws gas on the fire. And there are these pesky "end of life" provisions and Obama advisers saying things like "Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously." No, I don't think these are astroturfers, these are PISSED OFF Americans, many of whom realize now that Bush's excesses have carried over to the current regime(1) and distrusting of any Federal officials. (1) A government not following its own constitution can properly be called a regime. I called Bush's empire of death a regime and I'll say it now about Obama too!

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... aTeaBagger said on 8/9/2009 @ 3:10 pm PT...





I stumbled across your blog because I am very interested in the Sibel Edmonds story. (I have been following stories that show our government's complicity in 9/11). I have to agree with several other posters here - you are falling for the 'divide and conquer' left/right paradigm. Find those issues that unite, rather than divide and maybe 'we the people' will come out ahead. PS - I am a protester. I protested Bush and now I'm protesting Congress & Obama's unconstitutional crap. In fact it's Bush that incensed me the most to finally pay close attention, stand up, speak out and encourage others (even if they don't always agree with me) to do the same. I see very little difference between the two parties.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... TheBigPictureToo said on 8/9/2009 @ 10:23 pm PT...





The problem with “Chicago Style” politics is that it doesn’t scale up well.

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Nightrider said on 8/9/2009 @ 10:54 pm PT...





Wow, skanky lying Maddow is at it again. Twisting the truth! I'm a registered Democrat, I DID NOT vote for Obama, he's a liar. The grassroots Americans are fed up with all Politicians, the corruption, lying and spending money we don't have. Don't you just love the shit eating smile Maddow has on her face while she's spouting off her lies. I read the HC bill, it will screw us ALL if it passed. READ IT, especially you idiots posting here that think Obamacare is the best thing to come along since sliced bread!! A commissioner decides who gets care, the young (babies) and the elderly can be refused care (considered nonproductive) It will expand government by astronomical proportions to try to manage it, ILLEGALS get free care with translators for communication, etc. READ THE BILL!! Want to know who these people at the town hall meetings really are. Watch this for the truth. http://hotair.com/archiv...pan-caller-blasts-media/ [ed note: Wow, a registered Democrat linking to Michelle Malkin for "the truth". Now I've seen everything. I've read the bill, HR 3200, and while I can agree it's crappy, not for any of the bald-faced lies you just mentioned. Not that you'll ever be back here to need it, but please read our rules for commenting. Posting knowing disinformation is verboten, and I can only surmise that you have not read the bill if you actually believe what you just posted. --99]

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... Nightrider said on 8/9/2009 @ 11:44 pm PT...





The video is from C-span liberal fool. I read the bill again, my post is accurate. You choose to sell this country out with astronomical debt and lies about how the bill really reads. Reread the bill and THINK about how the government runs Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid all of them are broke. This bill is being pushed through for a reason, it is crappy. It's being touted as saving money. The only way this bill will save money is by denying care for people deemed unproductive! IPg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!! Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits u get Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!! Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice! PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise Pg 58 HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued! Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN). Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control. PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare! PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make. Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families. Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay) Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans. PG 265 Sec 1131 Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions. Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u. Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own. Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!! Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!! Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone? PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory! PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!? Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN? PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs it will COST money we don't have. [ed note: Yes, I got the same email, originated at Liberty University. It's hogwash from start to finish. Anybody who wants to actually CHECK, can download the pdf of the bill. Kindly have the decency to either check the facts before you swallow propaganda whole or cease posting crap on this blog. --99]

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/10/2009 @ 3:42 pm PT...





An E-Mail from corporate Liberty U?, that's funny and he fell for it. Make yourself aware of the BS that's floating around out there about healthcare or rant at your own peril...jeez.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 8/10/2009 @ 4:04 pm PT...





Oh, and a new vote slamming outfit to watch. They say they are forming to COMPETE with ACORN, WTF? http://www.associatedcon...ssociation_reclaims.html http://news.findlaw.com/...90727/27jul20090500.html

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... Floridiot said on 8/10/2009 @ 4:56 pm PT...

