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"Palin (and McCain) on a Bridge to Nowhere?"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... MsSwin said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:07 am PT...





It's becoming more and more obvious that Palin was not properly vetted. Sarah Palin, to this day supports and spoke words of encouragement to the AIP political party at their 2008 Convention, a secessionist organization whose platform still includes secession by Alaska and whose founding member, Joe Vogler, refused to be considered an American citizen: "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." McCain has met with this woman personally for maybe an hour total and is just now sending campaign officials to Alaska to do a proper background check. His campaign even tried to say the FBI had vetted her in their effort to cover up this fiasco. This shows very poor judgment on McCain's part, very poor judgment.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... emlev said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:11 am PT...





Commenter "Plunger" had a very interesting take on this as an off-topic (OP) comment following a completely unrelated BRAD BLOG story: ...HERE’S MY TAKE: This entire Palin selection is a Rovian head fake. It was designed by Rove to accomplish two goals. First and foremost, to take ALL of the air out of the media that the Obama camp was destined to carry into the GOP convention. It did that, in spades. The echo just simply stopped. The news cycle yesterday was absent of any analysis or follow-through on Obama's speech...itself a major coup for Rove. It’s as though the entire media machine stopped speaking of anything “Democratic,” in unison. Secondly, the (apparent) selection of Palin throws a bone to the Puma's and to women generally…one that McCain doesn’t have to necessarily follow through with, but made for a nice (disingenuous) photo-op. Third; they're just not that stupid not to have known about the controversy - and her familial requirements and responsibilities (Downs Syndrome newborn to care for). In short, their unbelievable choice is in fact, unbelievable..."a straw-woman." By the time the convention occurs, news will come out that the GOP's own investigators have determined that, while no proof of wrong doing exists, the mere investigation of it is a distraction that the GOP simply cannot afford so close to the election. As such, the announcement that either Lieberman or Romney have become McCain’s choice will come as a massive relief to the GOP base, and capture the entire news cycle for weeks to come. If Rove thought it would be impossible for a McCain/Lieberman ticket to succeed without some form of trickery, he would have dreamed this up, making Lieberman look good by comparison. All of the push-back will already be out of the system. He’s pulled these same stunts in the past – like putting Bernie Kerik’s name into nomination only to pull him and install Chertoff as Homeland Security Dictator. Remember when the name of Harriet Miers was put forward for a Supreme Court position? Remember? A fire storm of push back erupted, only to be followed by the swift and easy confirmation of Roberts, who looked like a breath of fresh air BY COMPARISON. THEY ARE GAMING YOU! I've long suspected that McCain would not be the GOP candidate on the ticket come November. I've had various ideas about how the NeoCons might get rid of him, and I admit that this wasn't one of the scenarios I imagined. But now I do wonder if we're seeing the beginning of a chain of events that will lead to my prediction coming true.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Debating Facts said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:18 am PT...





Even Rove will twist and spin his own words: Rove singled out Virginia governor Tim Kaine, also a Face The Nation guest, as an example of a purely politically motivated pick. "With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America." Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States."" Imagine Obama had chosen a VP as ridiculous as Palin, who, apparently, has been only to Canada, outside the country. Tucker Bounds makes a fool of himself trying to resist the obvious.. How pathetic! I look forward to the debate between Palin and Biden. LOL

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:44 am PT...





emlev: If Plunger isn't right, he making a great deal of sense, as usual. If McCain gets cancer again or is deemed to be too feeble or insane, I think I know who is the knight in shining armor is going to be. Chuck Hagel.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:44 am PT...





You know, Em, for the longest time I didn't believe they were going to nominate McCain. I guess technically they haven't yet, and I'd certainly want to fire his ass after this circus if I were a Republican, but... well... every time I try to content myself our politics can't get any stupider, it gets way stupider. So I finally have come to accept that it's this stupid. They are all completely inured to defending the inanity of their choices --- outright jaw-droppingly successfully so far --- and I think they're going to run with it.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:45 am PT...





I tells ya, if McCain/Screech Owl win we get what we deserve.

1954 was the last time we went through this religious right crap with McCarthy and the Pukes.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:49 am PT...



COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 9/2/2008 @ 12:52 am PT...





Flo, I know I could be wrong --- I too often am --- but I don't think they are meant to win. I think Obama's already gotten the nod. But yer 100% right: If they win, we get what we deserve.... In fact, that's true no matter who wins.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... mick said on 9/2/2008 @ 1:15 am PT...





Do you mean THIS Chuck Hagel

"If You Want To Win An Election, Just Control The Voting Machines"

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/2/2008 @ 1:15 am PT...





It's always been an illusion 99 if you've ever read a few chapters from Sidis that I linked to every now and again.

Link

The money hoarders always buy the laws that step on the common folks well being

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... mr.ed said on 9/2/2008 @ 6:18 am PT...





Are those grape Kool-Aid stains I see? Here's the best example of spin I've seen in a while. Textbook stuff.

re: The Pledge

I'm 67. The "under God" was added after I left elementary school, with its daily flag ceremony. I find it awkward (and unconstitutional) to mouth the added words and comma. I'd guess that in 55 years, I've been in no more than a half dozen circumstances where the pledge was said, and haven't said the addition yet.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... TEDEGER said on 9/2/2008 @ 6:29 am PT...





Hey - the time is ripe for BLOOMBERG to take the no. 2 spot, or even be boosted to #1; he's the noisiest non-candidate in years - and with enough money to buy the election for himself.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 9/2/2008 @ 6:44 am PT...





If you ask me...she was never really elected. Remember the fight over the memory cards that when finally handed over a year or so later after a court battle, they had a huge chunk missing? If she was elected that cycle or not, it is tell tale of what's going on across the bridge to nowhere!

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Ancient said on 9/2/2008 @ 6:54 am PT...





Yeah Mick #9, and might I add...maybe Paul Wellstone's plane crash really was an accident!

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/2/2008 @ 7:00 am PT...





Pledge: The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855-1931), a Baptist minister, a Christian Socialist hmm, he didn't write "under God" into the pledge either. Republican souvenir booth at the convention: 'Get your flag wrap, pander bears and RWB condoms here'

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 9/2/2008 @ 8:51 am PT...





Maybe Bill Frist can diagnose mcCain's vegetative state...

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 9/2/2008 @ 9:36 am PT...





Yep the Pledge of Allegiance was a full blown Socialist pledge and up until Hitler in the 30s when people recited it they held their right arm out in front of them exactly like a Nazi Sieg Heil.

hand over heart came during WWII and "under god" was ILLEGALLY added in response to the utterly insane McCarthyism of the 50's.

Same with "in god we trust" on paper money, totally unconstitutional and illegal yet there it is. Palin is just the usual ignorant Christian that has no clue what the hell she is talking about concerning with US history.

For that matter since she is also a "Creationist" she has no idea about the real world that surround her either.

I fail to see how McSame could have picked a worse candidate short of just strolling into an insane asylum and going eeni meeny miny moe. But sadly it makes no difference because the MSM is already putting McSame FAR higher in the polls that he really is, there is no way in hell that McSame is within 10 points.

They are going to steal this election just they did 2000 & 04'.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... TEDEGER said on 9/2/2008 @ 10:19 am PT...





IF palin lasts, Joe Biden will eat her alive! It's almost a shame, thinking of putting her omto the same stage - even the creampuff questions Wolverine Blitzer or similar GOP stalking horse would ask would show how out of it she is.

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 9/2/2008 @ 10:21 am PT...





I agree with Plunger. Rove has worked his magic, again, at getting the DNC convention off the front pages. Huffpo, TPM have fifteen plus articles on this woman. She's EVERYWHERE! You've been hoodwinked IMO. Rove and the guys are laughing their white, pasty, fat asses off in some dark slimy room, probably a sauna, planning their next trick.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... matt said on 9/2/2008 @ 10:39 am PT...





I filed this over at TPM. Is there something we're missing here? --- I agree with Mark Crispin Miller that a 10% spread is necessary to battle the shenanigans that GOP operatives will attempt to employ via faulty and vulnerable voting systems as well as classic voter suppression techniques. So one more possibility is that Palin may help provide cover (like the 'Bradley Effect' and others) for analysts who try to posthumously explain away an unnatural shift from polling to the official results. Just trying to stay a step ahead - I imagine there are some hidden benefits to this selection that aren't immediately apparent.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... joe said on 9/2/2008 @ 11:27 am PT...





I think McCain is counting on the sex appeal effect. He expects us to vote for the Barbies: Budweiser Barbie and BP Barbie. I hope we have more sense than that. It would be horrible to elect McCain and have hime get sick or die so that the inexperienced sex symbol would be President.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... bill from usa said on 9/2/2008 @ 11:35 am PT...





The Obama DNC speech was very powerful, and I think he did what he needed to do in Denver. That's where it ends for people. Rove and McCain's move to break the game open and take the glory of the speech away from Obama is like making a chess move which gives up you're queen for 5 pawns. It's dramatic, and you make people wonder "what is this?", but you have also just taken yourself out of the game over the long haul. The only issue McCain had was to pound away at Obama's inexperience, and he lost that with the choice of Palin. It's gonna get ugly for the Repub's, and I know they really do a good job of falling behind the leader, but this time the leader is in free fall!

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 9/2/2008 @ 11:42 am PT...





No doubt, Plunger has something there ... diversions / decoys political theater then the m$m and gop sound /smoke machine takes it from there ...

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/2/2008 @ 1:49 pm PT...





Speaking of Barbies, I saw this one. How about "Caribou Barbie" LOL

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 9/2/2008 @ 2:08 pm PT...





911 Giuliani dropped as keynote speaker . . . No Gouls ~

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 9/2/2008 @ 3:20 pm PT...





MICK #9: That is a great article! It's funny because what first got me interested about this whole thing was that article by "The Hill" which Beverly Harris pointed out because none of the media was. The story was that one of Chuck Hagel's staff told "The Hill" to "kill" the story about Hagel's involvement with the voting machine company that became Diebold. Try to click on the link to the story Thom Hartmann put in the article. Look's like Hagel's office got what they wanted. I'm thinking we're going to end up with Hagel/Romney. Game over! Liberals lose! Who left the sheeps clothing over there?

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/2/2008 @ 3:31 pm PT...





Larry I think Chuck's company was ES&S...no matter

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 9/2/2008 @ 4:27 pm PT...





Floridiot: It's impossible to keep this stuff organized in your head, even if you've been obsessed with it for 8 years. Unless you're Brad, of course.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 9/2/2008 @ 4:51 pm PT...





... who is no ordinary mortal, but a quirky and studious-looking machine....

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Mugzi said on 9/2/2008 @ 7:10 pm PT...





Nunyabiz, I agree. I don't believe one poll and of course, MSM is so pro Repug. I never hear anything of Obama. Of course, his speech hit all high notes, but it's probably all for naught!

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 9/2/2008 @ 7:38 pm PT...





Well, I don't think McCain could possibly poll above 30%... that anything that says otherwise should be checked for fraud... but it seems Obama is 8 points up....

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 9/2/2008 @ 7:58 pm PT...





I'll bet palin's kids can't stand her. One kids gets knocked up probably for attention with low self esteem and no sex ed. The oldest kid is probably going in the army to get the hell away from her.

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 9/2/2008 @ 11:12 pm PT...





I've always thought there was more then one Brad, because nobody could do as much as he does in one life. I'm on to something, huh? Here's my take. If we rounded up all the Christian fundies, Nascar dads, soccer moms, gun nuts, skin heads, stock owners, ditto heads, business owners, Freepers, CEO's, bankers, bottom dwellers and knuckle draggers, we would STILL lose in a 49/51 race. Dumbhead Karl Rove is still a free man and he thinks we're going to put up with this again, even though all of our lives are going down the crapper. I don't think so.

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Debating Facts said on 9/3/2008 @ 12:04 am PT...





ABOUT SARA PALIN : VERY INTERESTING ! PLS FWD:

I hope I am not using precious space onthis blog but i found this extremely eye opening and worth sharing. "This is an email I received from a good friend in New York City. She is a Bryn Mawr graduate, and is a physician currently engaged in cancer research. This is an email she received from a Bryn Mawr classmate of hers who lives in Alaska.

Because you, like me, may never have heard of Sarah Palin until today, you may find this an interesting perspective from an Alaskan resident. Dear classmates -



As an Alaskan, I am writing to give all of you some information on Sarah Palin, Senator McCain’s choice for VP. As an Alaska voter, I now more than most of you about her and, frankly, I am horrified that he picked her.



The most accurate description of her is red neck. Her husband works in the oil fields of Prudhoe Bay and races snow mobiles. She is a life time member of the NRA and has worked tirelessly to allow indiscriminate hunting of wildlife in Alaska, particularly wolves and bears. She has spent millions of Alaska state dollars on aerial hunting of these predators from helicopters and airplanes, dollars that should have been spent, for example, on Alaska’s failing school system.We have the lowest rate of high school graduation in the country. Not all of you may think aerial predator hunting is so bad, but how anyone (other than Alaska wolf-haters, of which there are many, most without teeth), could think this use of funds is appropriate is beyond me. If you want to know more about the aerial hunting travesty, let me know and I will send some links to informative web sites. SEE MORE HERE.

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Bamboo Harvester said on 9/3/2008 @ 2:06 am PT...





Wilbur ~ They should call this the "08" shotgun wedding convention... 1708 or 1808 or 1908 no, 2008 !

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Barbara Bellows-TerraNova said on 9/3/2008 @ 3:57 am PT...





It is amazing how the Palin announcement about her daughter's pregnancy threw the media off track of the real story - the day last April when her water broke while she was attending an "energy forum" in Texas, a closed-door meeting of 9 Republican governors and five energy industry CEOs. Not only did she stay and give her 30-minute speech after her water broke, she also refused to go to a Texas hospital, insisting on flying back to Alaska, then driving another 43 miles to the hospital of her choosing before at last giving birth to the child she soon admitted was a baby with Down Syndrome. It was this story, along with her lack of "showing" - even at 7 months when she surprised everyone with the announcement of her own pregnancy, along with her daughter's absence from school, that started rumors about whose baby Trig was. Now, the Governor's announcement about Bristol's pregnancy in response to those rumours, followed by Obama's compassionate statement telling the media to "back off" the kids, must have the Rovian consultants laughing about their very effective tactic. In my article "Sarah Palin and the Closed-Door Energy Forum Where Her Water Broke", I propose a shift in focus from the whole pregnancy/childbirth issue, TO THE MEETING. I must admit, though, I'd also like to know why the Governor handled the childbirth in this way, risking both a dangerous infection and full blown labor mid-air. Would she have done the same if she hadn't known the child had Down Syndrome? What was her thinking process? We have a right to question this.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/3/2008 @ 6:07 am PT...





Without a doubt BB-T that energy meeting and the "Alaskan Independent Party" are all about bypassing Federal protections of wilderness areas so big oil can go in, pollute and suck them dry. Maybe a little profit for certain members of the "Party" also? Smells like a bloodsucking astroturf group to me, with unwary Alaskans going along for the ride.

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 9/3/2008 @ 6:41 am PT...





BTW, the AIP might not have started out that way, but it was taken over by oil interests I'm sure. What a perfect way to cover your greedy intentions. I wonder what it is called when a legitimate grassroots organization is taken over by astroturfers? Synthesized Crab Grass? Root Rot?

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Paul McCarthy said on 9/3/2008 @ 8:04 am PT...





Check out this video --- best thing I've seen on the Palin issue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEW12XLUM7A

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... FOIA/PA said on 9/3/2008 @ 8:06 am PT...





Rove is at it again. The critics denounced McCain for not vetting Palin throughly. But this is another of Karl Rove, the( paid) republican operative, magic trick to get sympathy for McCain.

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... Mugzi said on 9/3/2008 @ 7:44 pm PT...





Yes, since they can't stand on issues they have to stand on emotion. It galls me to hear that bull about we're safe because we're in Iraq. What sh--!!!

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... votn said on 9/4/2008 @ 12:37 am PT...





Reliable sources close to Palin have recently said that her decision to influence voters to vote against a return to state protection of its salmon fishery and the largest industry contributing to the state’s economy was in part due to her desire to take advantage of the willingness of mining interests to support her further political aspirations “if you can give us what we need”. Namely the financial benefit of continued relaxed regulation against pollution of salmon spawning waters and potential drinking water in Alaska initiated by the Murkowski administration. Governor Palin has been under consideration for some time as a potential candidate for Vice President on the Republican ticket, and mining money is interested in helping with the achievement of that goal, having little use for environmental regulation and protection and the related expense of compliance with such requirements. Understandably, the potential of a highly placed and able political ally in the White House is extremely attractive, especially one indebted to them. Her response was to “take off her Governor’s hat” and utilize the media to encourage voters to vote against the repair of vital regulations for safeguarding salmon spawning and potential drinking water. Governor Palin’s “stand against corruption” has been useful in producing other spinoffs which are potentially very beneficial to the mining industry, one of which has been enthusiastic and unhesitating cooperation in the corruption investigation of Senator Ted Stevens, who has been a very vocal opponent of the Pebble Project, and whose “removal from the process” would further pave the way for such projects in the future.

Coming forward was “a requirement of conscience, especially in light of the Governor’s apparent betrayal of her highly visible stand against corruption and desire to promote clean political practices” these sources said, calling such actions “at the very least unethical, and possibly illegal”. They went on to say that thousands of Alaskans economically dependent on the salmon fishery have expressed their concern and the belief that they have been “betrayed” and “sold out”.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... Roy Cummings said on 9/10/2008 @ 3:58 pm PT...

