But the hour didn't go as planned. Johnson, who had been pilloried for blanking on the relevance of the Syrian city of Aleppo in another MSNBC interview, whiffed his way through an even easier foreign policy question.

"Who's your favorite foreign leader?" Matthews asked.

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"Who's my favorite?" Johnson replied.

"Anywhere in the continents," Matthews said. "Any country. Name one foreign leader that you look up to."

William Weld, Johnson's running mate, chimed in with an assist: "I'm with Shimon Peres."

"I'm talking about living, okay?" Matthews said. "You gotta do this. Any continent. Canada, Mexico?"

"I guess I'm having an Aleppo moment," Johnson said.

"In the whole world!" Matthews said. "Anybody in the world."

"I know, I know," Johnson said.

"Pick any leader," Matthews said.

"The former president of Mexico," Johnson said.

"Which one?" Matthews said.

"I'm having a brain freeze," Johnson said.

Weld, who had left the governor's office in Massachusetts in an unsuccessful attempt to become ambassador to Mexico, began naming the country's former presidents. "Fox? Zedillo? Calderon?"

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"Fox," Johnson said with a combination of jubilation and relief. "He was terrific."

Johnson's inability to remember the full name of Vicente Fox was a genuine surprise. Johnson governed New Mexico, which shares a small border with Mexico, from 1995 to 2003. Fox, a former Coca-Cola executive, won Mexico's 2000 presidential election with an unusual amount of fanfare, as his center-right National Action Party (PAN) broke generations of one-party rule by the center-left Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI).

And in recent months, Fox had become a vigorous opponent of Donald Trump. He gave several interviews promising that Mexico would not "pay for that wall" if Trump won the presidency. He was filmed bashing a Trump-shaped piñata. He tweeted mockery at Trump when he managed to wind up on a Trump campaign fundraising email list.

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Johnson had appeared to notice. Over the summer, as he rose in the polls, Johnson added Texas-based immigration reform advocate Juan Hernandez as an adviser on Latino issues. This past weekend, at the annual Texas Tribune Festival in Austin, Hernandez organized interviews between Johnson and several Spanish-language TV stations. The Washington Post was in the room as Hernandez talked Johnson through a Mexican television spot, where he offered to meet with Mexico's President Enrico Peña Nieto to discuss immigration and trade. "As Vicente Fox says, 'Hoy, hoy, hoy!' " Johnson said.

And on Monday, minutes before the debate began, Johnson told a room full of journalists that he would have lit up the stage had he been permitted to share it. Arit John, a reporter for Bloomberg Politics, asked if the "Aleppo moment" had suggested he would fluster when the debate turned to policy. Pacing behind a desk, his yellow tie partly undone, Johnson said he was furious at American foreign policy and had had enough of gotcha questions.