criggs

join:2000-07-14

New York, NY criggs Member Google's MVNO Nova Product: Unlimited Data? Like the subject header says. What's the data cap if any on non-mobile phone plans, i.e. laptop plans? What will be the monthly rate? Etc. etc.



Anyone heard anything?



Love to be able to read the Information.com article, but they're demanding a minimum of $39 for one month in order to read it. Screw that.

SunnyD

join:2009-03-20

Madison, AL SunnyD Member Sprint AND T-Mo? I know Sprint is slowly migrating to something useful with their network vision crap, but using both Sprint and T-Mo? How are they planning on doing interop on the networks? Or are they even going to?

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Sprint AND T-Mo? Data should be easy to switch between the two. Voice maybe picks one or other perhaps based on market or option on the phone.

existenz existenz Member Re: Sprint AND T-Mo? The bigger question is will they get Sprint's roaming coverage, which is very good - you just don't want to live in it. I may switch from Sprint to this if they have Sprint's native/roaming footprint in addition to TMOs. Sprint's 800LTE/voice rollout is significantly improving coverage/building penetration as well.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: Sprint AND T-Mo? Why not? It's an option for MVNOs if they wish to pay for it. Straight Talk pays for it. So does republic wireless.



franklinn

@comcastbusiness.net franklinn to SunnyD

Anon to SunnyD

said by SunnyD: I know Sprint is slowly migrating to something useful with their network vision crap, but using both Sprint and T-Mo? How are they planning on doing interop on the networks? Or are they even going to? actually quite a few recent phones including the latest iphone and nexus support all the bands and technologies used by the 4 carriers and and roaming between t-mobile AWS LTE and sprint LTE at 800mhz and 2.5ghz bands should be quite feasible.



stoppingBYE

@comcast.net stoppingBYE to SunnyD

Anon to SunnyD

I have a feeling Google will perhaps make a bid for Tmo. Could be a stretch but could be a huge shake up.



But probably not, I see Google Voice\Hangouts integrated some way. Could be a collaboration to test their Loon tech in a production infrastructure. I imagine this isn't just for revenue. This is a live study to ge them in the game via Loon and LEO satellites.

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member to what end? How is google going to make TMO and Sprint QOS better and/or cheaper?!? None of the exiting mvno's have made an impact!



What a confusing turn of events... does this mean they're going to hit regulatory roadblocks in their Google Fiber TO THE UNSERVED/UNDERSERVED (or monopoly/duopoly price gouged)HOMES of America plans? Stay tuned...



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net 2 recommendations KennyWest Anon Re: to what end? There has never been any regulatory road blocks with GF. It's that Google doesn't want to play fair. Go back and read their issues with KC and wanting to put their fiber lines up above the power lines and didn't want to pay to have it done and cried and cried and stomped their feet over it until things were changed around.



Google is another big baby that needs smacked. and an MVNO? Hardly. The only MVNO that is making an impact is Carl Sims and his companies and Republic Wireless. Otherwise other MVNOs are just repackaged and same priced Sprint services. Plus who wants to use Google as their phone company? Every thing you'd do on that phone will be recorded and tracked for their great services to "improve" how your phone works. The same as they like to keep the GPS on plus your Wifi to "improve" your location results and search. But they don't tell you up front is that they want to use your Wifi to send home the information that they're gobbling up.

mikesco8

join:2006-02-17

Southwick, MA mikesco8 Member Re: to what end? I would call straight talk a pretty major impact player and you can choose between all 4 with them.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: to what end? You do realize that Straight Talk is Carl Sims right??? it's one of his many MVNOs of the world. He's actually the largest MVNO in the world according to some reports of the company.

mikesco8

join:2006-02-17

Southwick, MA mikesco8 Member Re: to what end? Nope, did not know, I tried doing a search on it before my post but did not come up with anything. I have been giving him my money the past couple years then.



saronian

join:1999-09-07

Oakland, CA saronian to KennyWest

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I think Carlos Slim's América Móvil owns StraightTalk

mikesco8

join:2006-02-17

Southwick, MA mikesco8 Member Re: to what end? There we go, a little spelling correction makes all the difference in a search.

OldCableGuy (banned)

join:2014-12-19 OldCableGuy (banned) to KennyWest

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Someone with a clue about the real Google, on DSLR?



You're not going to last long here...

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 to KennyWest

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I don't see how Google's special deal and so-called whining is all that much worse than the BILLIONS of dollars that telcos have got from the taxpayers over the decades in exchange (in some cases) for NOTHING but shareholder and management bonuses padding. Some subsidy should be expected. The big problem I have with google's decision to get into MVNO cell service is, the market place is a mess. Why associate the Google brand with that right now?!?

It would be better to push ahead with more FTTP deployments in the lost telco cities instead! Once google reaches a some threshhold it will wake telcos up to the fact that they no longer have an incumbency status and profits wich were taken for granted are at risk. NY state is about to hand out 500 Million of the taxpayer's money.. but will get screwed in return. There is really no contest here. Google fiber can become a great last mile ISP business.. they just need to dig deeper into that multi billion dollar warchest and come up with a decent name.. Google Fiber won't cut it..

Paying around $70 for 50 megbit service in NY state sucks... gigabit would be much better.. incumbents just dont' give a crap. They know they've got you.. and take you for granted. So do cell phone companies-- even tmo & sprint-- regardless of churn, customers still demand the product from one of them.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net -4 recommendations KennyWest Anon Old News Google claimed this before and it never happened. Another hobby again. Google really needed to decide what they're going to focus on and stop spending their poor sucker's money. SEC seriously should be called at this point for some investigations. First a search engine, then email, then YouTube, a half ass ISP- that is losing money out the ass, purchasing a SpaceX and now a cell phone company? OH! Don't forget the whole Moto deal that they lost everything on.



If they were smart they should have taken Moto and sat on it, and then went and purchased RIM and became a real player instead of going to other companies for other devices they could have made themselves. Stupid mgt sounds like other retail's MGT, they have no clue what they are doing let alone will ever until they run the company into the ground.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com If Google is going this route via acquisitions, Ting already has TMUS and Sprint integrations set up, and the new fiber network projects are icing on the cake. Then Google spins off the downloads side of things and calls it a day.



Alternately, they acquire bandwidth.com...Google's probably their biggest customer anyway...and put the Republic Wireless tech to work. Though they'd need to get an MVNO set up for TMUS if they did that.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com Acquiring Ting might get them in more quickly but they probably want to setup their own model and terms with carriers.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest to iansltx

Anon to iansltx

Bandwidth is worth more than Goog. They are a national CLEC that powers many companies and services. That includes MSFT and Skype. Bandwith.com is also a law firm. One of the largest. They just don't throw money away on hobbies like Google's idiot mgt.



DataRiker

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join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com said by KennyWest : Bandwidth is worth more than Goog. They are a national CLEC that powers many companies and services. That includes MSFT and Skype. Bandwith.com is also a law firm. One of the largest. They just don't throw money away on hobbies like Google's idiot mgt.



You really hate Google.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com That is still not a true 1gig as they advertise. Especially on the upstream. But the fact is they have no clue how to run any business. They have too many hobbies and will fall. All things fall when they get too big- MaBell- it fell- MSFT- it fell. Best Buy- it fell and is losing money. The list goes on.



but the fact is- they do NOT have the money nor the know how to run an actual phone company. If they did, they would not be at Bandwidth right now powering Google Voice and all of the other Google Voice Products. And any business in their right mind would NEVER let Google touch their information- especially medical offices and schools.



DataRiker

Premium Member

join:2002-05-19

00000 DataRiker Premium Member Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com



Different test server Different test server

existenz

join:2014-02-12 1 recommendation existenz Member Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com



Gbit devices can truly deliver a full Gbit at physical layer but with tcp/app layer overhead, 930 or so is about as high as it will show on speedtests, even with local LAN Gbit. And a single computer test doesn't always max out a Gbit ISP, may need to use 2 or more at same time.



»How to properly test a Gigabit network connection Don't feed the troll. Has been explained to him several times that there is tcpip/app layer overhead and he still doesn't understand. Is OK if uninformed but after explained and ignoring it, it's called ignorance. When repeating the explanation to him and he still spreads misinformation, he can justifiably be called a fool.Gbit devices can truly deliver a full Gbit at physical layer but with tcp/app layer overhead, 930 or so is about as high as it will show on speedtests, even with local LAN Gbit. And a single computer test doesn't always max out a Gbit ISP, may need to use 2 or more at same time.

silbaco

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join:2009-08-03

USA silbaco Premium Member Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com He may be trolling but it is worth noting that At&t got sued for failing to deliver promised speeds due to overhead.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com said by silbaco: He may be trolling but it is worth noting that At&t got sued for failing to deliver promised speeds due to overhead. This comment is pretty vague and until details are provided its hard to even compare the two scenarios.

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz to silbaco

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Did ATT lose the lawsuit and if so, how off was it? If they lost based solely on overhead difference, then literally every Gbit hardware maker can be sued for marketing Gigabit switches/routers/devices. They do deliver a full Gbit at the physical layer, but not app/tcp layer - ditto with Google Fiber. GFiber can even delivers a Gbit (factoring overhead) outside of their own network to the coasts if tested properly.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement to KennyWest

Anon to KennyWest

said by KennyWest : That is still not a true 1gig as they advertise. Especially on the upstream. said by KennyWest : they do NOT have the money nor the know how to run an actual phone company. Taking away the flaws in this comment due to TCP/IP overhead.. 99.9999% of the population couldn't care less if the service is 920Mbps vs 1000Mbps (even though that isn't possible). The whole point is that that connection is leaps and bounds faster than anything else out there and unlike the typical broadband networks built by the cable companies and telcos it is built to be able to handle those speeds a lot more consistently even during peak hours.The people running phone companies don't know how to run a phone company. If they did they wouldn't have the lowest consumer satisfaction numbers of any industry bar none. Most of these companies are run by complete idiots.



Camaro

Question everything

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said by KennyWest : but the fact is- they do NOT have the money



»www.theirnetworth.com/Bu ··· /Google/ I am no financial expert but....

OldCableGuy (banned)

join:2014-12-19 OldCableGuy (banned) to DataRiker

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1ms ping? I can get thsoe speeds on my LAN too.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: Wouldn't be surprised if they bought Tucows or bandwidth.com said by OldCableGuy: 1ms ping? I can get thsoe speeds on my LAN too. That is pretty high for your LAN. But it was pretty obvious he wasn't talking about his local network.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL 1 recommendation ISurfTooMuch Member Why not just buy T-Mobile? Why not just buy T-Mobile and be done with it? DT clearly wants to sell, and it would almost certainly face little regulatory opposition. Is it that they don't want to piss off the other carriers by both making Android and competing against those carriers? But, realistically, what will the carriers do? Stop selling Android phones? I doubt it, since they sell a ton of them, and Android is the only platform that allows them to pre-load all their damn bloatware.

floydb1982

join:2004-08-25

Kent, WA floydb1982 Member I don't this will work out If your driving and talking on your Nexus phone and your phone has to say switch from T-Mobile to Sprint then you would loose your call because Sprint uses CDMA and T-Mobile uses GSM. Then again maybe Google has figured out how make a phone keep a cellular signal when switching between CDMA and GSM. Now I could see Google using AT&T and T-Mobile on a single phone because they both use GSM networks.

gamersglory

join:2012-11-11

Chapel Hill, NC gamersglory Member Re: I don't this will work out It will be called Nexus Wireless i bet



NetEng

@comcast.net NetEng to floydb1982

Anon to floydb1982

VoLTE...

Jim_in_VA (banned)

join:2004-07-11

Cobbs Creek, VA Jim_in_VA (banned) Member Verizon and AT&T ..watch your back, there be demons ... you greedy bastards



AnonDude

@charter.com 1 recommendation AnonDude Anon T-Mobile & Sprint= non-starter Offer a service with terrible coverage. real smart.



w0g

o.O

join:2001-08-30

Springfield, OR w0g Member hi. :).. The potential for this network is carrier aggregation across bands, where t mo and Sprint's network can be used as one network. This is rare but possible, reason it is not likely is general system incompatibility but it could in theory work if they wanted to make it work.



Next is just a network where you can roam onto either T mo or Sprint. This seems likely. Devices are already compatible with spectrum from both companies .. It would create a super network, perhaps where it hops onto the best network possible in each region, such as Sprint in Spark areas, and T Mo in areas Sprint lacks Spark, or Speint 3G in areas T mo lacks 3G/LTE, or either LTE where the other lacks LTE. It sounds like a super combination for roaming, Sprint + T mo network.. Sprint also has waaay better voice coverage outside of city limits in many regions, with at least 1xAdvanced data.. Ie in Oregon's eastern parts, where t mo has no coverage.



tmh

@verizon.net tmh Anon All your privacy are belong to us Google already knows where you are and what you do. Now they will know everything you say. Happy goldfish bowl everybody.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: All your privacy are belong to us Don't forget they also were one of the first that gave up information to the NSA for emails and such. Then lied about it when it came and and tried to "fight" their warrants and such after it.



v6movement

@pppoe.ca v6movement Anon Re: All your privacy are belong to us said by KennyWest : Don't forget they also were one of the first that gave up information to the NSA for emails and such. Then lied about it when it came and and tried to "fight" their warrants and such after it. It is more like who wasn't on the list of companies providing information to the NSA and they all behaved in the same manner.

floydb1982

join:2004-08-25

Kent, WA floydb1982 Member I don't this will work out If your driving and talking on your Nexus phone and your phone has to say switch from T-Mobile to Sprint then you would loose your call because Sprint uses CDMA and T-Mobile uses GSM. Then again maybe Google has figured out how make a phone keep a cellular signal when switching between CDMA and GSM. Now I could see Google using AT&T and T-Mobile on a single phone because they both use GSM networks.



w0g

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join:2001-08-30

Springfield, OR w0g Member Re: I don't this will work out The one thing about this is the LTE networks are the same so handoffs could happen. Google might even have some type of virtual system to allow two operators networks to intermingle.. So handshakes and hand offs become mostly transparent.



I figure without knowing their plans and tech inside and out , it is not possible to speculate as it may or may not work together with today's tech.



frankyman

@comcast.net frankyman to floydb1982

Anon to floydb1982

said by floydb1982: If your driving and talking on your Nexus phone and your phone has to say switch from T-Mobile to Sprint then you would loose your call because Sprint uses CDMA and T-Mobile uses GSM. Then again maybe Google has figured out how make a phone keep a cellular signal when switching between CDMA and GSM. Now I could see Google using AT&T and T-Mobile on a single phone because they both use GSM networks. its all VoLTE pretty soon.



odreian615

join:2006-01-18

Chicago, IL odreian615 Member This is just for Chrome laptops Willing to bet



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: This is just for Chrome laptops Same here. Especially since they already work with VZW on the laptops for the data service. And that is if anything happens.

ptb42

join:2002-09-30

USA ptb42 to odreian615

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said by odreian615: Willing to bet



Google is partnering with US wireless companies now, to enable US deployment of their modular phone in the near future:



»projectara.com/

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr ··· ject_Ara

»www.theguardian.com/tech ··· ject-ara This is the second forum that I've seen a posting about Google and Sprint/T-Mobile, and no one here has figured it out, either.Google is partnering with US wireless companies now, to enable US deployment of their modular phone in the near future:



stevek1949

We're not in Kansas anymore

Premium Member

join:2002-11-13

Virginia Beach, VA stevek1949 Premium Member Radio Shack > Sprint > Google With the rumor of Radio Shacks demise and Sprint taking over leases, it makes room for a Google Storefront. A place to sell subscriptions and hardware.



Also, what about Google Wi-Fi? No mention of a Wi-Fi net for users/subscribers.



Abby Normal

@verizon.com Abby Normal Anon Customer Service? curious how they will handle customer service and it's true expense

existenz

join:2014-02-12 existenz Member Re: Customer Service? When the rumor first started last year, it implied that Google would start wireless in Google Fiber markets first. Starting small would allow them to ramp up customer support in controlled manner instead of potentially a massive wave.



GFiber phone/online support is pretty good. The reps have problem solving skills and able to do deductive reasoning, rather than reading from scripts.



anonomeX

@comcast.net anonomeX Anon Google Mesh? ...anyone? ...anyone? ...Bueller?

cmla

join:2013-10-01 cmla Member Google Could Purchase Freedompop



Freedompop platform could prob be adjusted to work on CDMA and GSM. They would be purchasing a subscriber base. Hmmm... Freedompop seems to be in talks with carriers. Google could purchase this freemium service. Would go well with GV/Hangouts, and offers of free goodies. They could make some money with the purchase of premiums services and their new Freedompop wifi access.Freedompop platform could prob be adjusted to work on CDMA and GSM. They would be purchasing a subscriber base.Hmmm...