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Member Back to Top Post by cabbageboy on At least Forever finally tries some kind of actual characterization with Batman/Bruce Wayne himself. That's the big, big problem with both Burton movies. They are built on a faulty foundation where we don't have enough actual character work done on Wayne and instead spend the whole movie with the villains and their origins.



I would maintain that Kilmer was the best mix of Batman and Bruce Wayne that we have seen. Keaton was oddly better to me as Batman and a marginal Bruce Wayne (more oddball rich guy that playboy) and Clooney had no chance anyway. I gotta admit I'm not a big fan of Bale as Batman due to the goofy voice, and I don't care for the Batmobile or his look. He is by far the best Bruce Wayne though since the Nolan movies are all about that character. Affleck was good in a lousy movie, but his Batman is far too brutal and violent for my taste, and the script doesn't give clear enough reasons as to why. I'm presuming it was the death of Jason Todd/Robin but this isn't enough of a plot point.

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Member Back to Top Post by Hit Girl on cabbageboy said: At least Forever finally tries some kind of actual characterization with Batman/Bruce Wayne himself. That's the big, big problem with both Burton movies. They are built on a faulty foundation where we don't have enough actual character work done on Wayne and instead spend the whole movie with the villains and their origins.



The first film was about Vicki Vale finding out about Bruce's history, regarding his parents' death. There two beautiful character building scenes which I really like. The first is where she follows him to the theatre where he leaves two roses, and the second is where he has the flashback then realises that Jack Napier was the guy who murdered his parents. The second film focuses Bruce's character on his relationship with Selina. In effect, two messed up people who are drawn to each other.

The first film was about Vicki Vale finding out about Bruce's history, regarding his parents' death. There two beautiful character building scenes which I really like. The first is where she follows him to the theatre where he leaves two roses, and the second is where he has the flashback then realises that Jack Napier was the guy who murdered his parents. The second film focuses Bruce's character on his relationship with Selina. In effect, two messed up people who are drawn to each other.