Anthony Scaramucci, aka the Mooch, has been hitting the mid-January Davos scene for more than a decade, well before his infamous, short-lived stint as Donald Trump’s director of communications. One of the reasons he goes, of course, is to meet the movers and shakers in finance as a way to bring more attention to SkyBridge Capital, the hedge fund he founded. Not only did the Mooch introduce Trump to Klaus Schwab, the founder of the World Economic Forum, the Mooch’s wine-tasting party on the Tuesday night of the conference—the only requirement being that all wines served have been rated 100 by wine expert Robert Parker—is the hottest January ticket in one of Switzerland’s coldest towns.

As you may have noticed, we have had occasion to check in with the Mooch from time to time to get the no-holds-barred, honest assessment, so who better to turn to for the read on Davos 2020 as one CEO after another capitulates to Trump?

Vanity Fair: So, tell me, what’s going on over there? What’s the mood? Is it as Andrew Ross Sorkin, the Times columnist, wrote that all the CEOs are buying into the Trump economy? Or Is it more nuanced? What the hell’s going on over there?

Anthony Scaramucci: I honestly think it’s more nuanced because these guys get up in the morning, they pray for earnings, and they pray to their respective Gods that Trump doesn’t tweet directly at them or their companies. They live in fear, and so the global CEO community has Stockholm syndrome. I don’t see them loving Trump and being fully satisfied with what Trump is and what he’s doing. Now, if you had the same [Trump] policies, less crazy and the same policies, less bullying, same policies, less vindictive personal attacks at his fellow citizens like a fascist, if you had less of that then, yes they would be, like, happy because the economy is doing well.

But look at where Trump’s numbers are. That should tell you everything. If you had a normal person without any sociopathic behavior as president with these economic results, he’d be at 60, 65%. [But he’ stuck] at 42. He can’t move. And so that tells you something, right? That tells you that what I’m saying is true. The data doesn’t lie. So, I appreciate what Andrew [Ross Sorkin] is saying, but those CEOs, the first thing on their communications crisis management list is: Make sure that you don’t do anything today that Trump will respond and tweet at you. As an example, Jamie Dimon a couple of years ago said some things about him and said that he could do a better job as president. Remember that? Trump went after him. So, Jamie Dimon and his communications team calmed that down and now he’s going to the [Trump] speech [at Davos]. Are you telling me that his feelings have changed or are you telling me strategically, like Tim Cook and others, he’s figuring out how to cohabitate and coexist in Trump’s universe?

Tell me about your wine-tasting party.

I would tell you that the social scene here is very vibrant. Our party, for whatever reason—I don’t want to sound self-serving—has become one of the A-list parties. I know it was a successful event last night because I got permanently yelled at this morning by a very large group of people that felt left out, so by that definition it was a big success. Having said that, I can’t fit everybody. I had to shut the thing down at a period of time.