Airking990 Profile Blog Joined July 2012 United States 190 Posts Last Edited: 2016-10-06 00:25:27 #1

Banner made by Lucky_Noob. Thanks a ton to him











SMALL D'S STARCRAFT LEAGUE!

YOU SHOULD REALLY JOIN OUR DISCORD SERVER AND NEVER MISS SIGN-UPS



You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen. The Small Ds D/D- league is starting!

What's that? You don't know what SDSL is?

It's an amateur tournament series I'm trying to start up myself. It's nothing special, but it's my attempt to cater to newer players and the less-skilled players out there who want to play competitively but aren't quite good enough to play in major tournaments.



There's currently no prize pool, so it'll be something a little fun for everybody.



When: Every Sunday at Banner made by Lucky_Noob. Thanks a ton to himYou heard it here, ladies and gentlemen. The Small Ds D/D- league is starting!What's that? You don't know what SDSL is?It's an amateur tournament series I'm trying to start up myself. It's nothing special, but it's my attempt to cater to newer players and the less-skilled players out there who want to play competitively but aren't quite good enough to play in major tournaments.There's currently no prize pool, so it'll be something a little fun for everybody.Every Sunday at 18:00 GMT (+00:00) (unless otherwise specified)

Who can join? Anybody who is D/D- rank on the ICCup Server!

What server? ICCup, since it's most convenient



(unless otherwise specified)Anybody who is D/D- rank on the ICCup Server!ICCup, since it's most convenient Rules:

Single Elimination

Games will be Best-of-1

Grand Finals will be Best-of-3

Maps will be picked based on a coin-flip

If your opponent does not show up to the game for 15 minutes, you will receive a walkover and go to the next round.

The tournament follows the iCCup ladder rules. Any bug not allowed on iCCup is forbidden during this tournament.

All other bugs are allowed.

YOU NEED MCA64 LAUNCHER OR OTHER ANTIHACK AND IT MUST SHOW WHEN YOU JOIN A LOBBY



Single EliminationGames will be Best-of-1Grand Finals will be Best-of-3Maps will be picked based on a coin-flipIf your opponent does not show up to the game for 15 minutes, you will receive a walkover and go to the next round.The tournament follows the iCCup ladder rules. Any bug not allowed on iCCup is forbidden during this tournament.All other bugs are allowed.YOU NEED MCA64 LAUNCHER OR OTHER ANTIHACK AND IT MUST SHOW WHEN YOU JOIN A LOBBY Map Pool:

Fighting Spirit

Circuit Breakers

Andromeda

Blue Storm

Match Point



The tournament will be streamed at



CURRENT TOURNAMENT SIGN UP PAGE



THERE IS CHECK-IN LEADING UP TO THE TOURNAMENT! PLEASE KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. YOU WILL HAVE 1 HOUR BEFORE THE TOURNAMENT STARTS TO DO THAT.



SAVE YOUR REPLAYS, THE BRACKET GETS AUTOMATICALLY UPDATED IF YOU UPLOAD YOUR REPLAY TO IT!



ALSO, PLEASE GO TO THE "SDSL" CHAT CHANNEL ON ICCUP



I hope you all have fun today! See you all then! Fighting SpiritCircuit BreakersAndromedaBlue StormMatch PointThe tournament will be streamed at twitch.tv/airking990 I hope you all have fun today! See you all then! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

XenOsky Profile Blog Joined March 2008 Chile 1829 Posts #2 good luck with this tour =) west dm clan, korea ever clan.

Greth Profile Blog Joined November 2007 Belgium 284 Posts #3 The dedication to the banner art can only mean that this will become an amazing event. http://youtube.com/grethsc

LUCKY_NOOB Profile Blog Joined June 2013 Bulgaria 481 Posts #4 Love the Zealot amputee! Join No Hunters Free For All Discord: https://discord.gg/kWNQvnd

Airking990 Profile Blog Joined July 2012 United States 190 Posts #5 On September 21 2016 17:24 Greth wrote:

The dedication to the banner art can only mean that this will become an amazing event.

man i tried really hard on that. I even had to go out of my way to use the crayon drawing tool for it man i tried really hard on that. I even had to go out of my way to use the crayon drawing tool for it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

TelecoM Profile Blog Joined January 2010 United States 10265 Posts #6 Sick, thanks for this and GL to all AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting

DarkNetHunter Profile Joined October 2012 1224 Posts #7



Are signups in the thread or is there some link to a bracket, because that's not clear from OP?



Anyway have a good time to all the participants





Looks neat, though I wish Destination + Python were replaced by new/foreign maps (something straightforward like Latin Quarter or Overwatch).Are signups in the thread or is there some link to a bracket, because that's not clear from OP?Anyway have a good time to all the participants Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.

Cele Profile Blog Joined December 2008 Germany 3826 Posts #8 On September 21 2016 09:17 Airking990 wrote:





When: Every Sunday at 18:00 GMT (+00:00) (unless otherwise specified)

Who can join? Anybody who is D/D- rank on the ICCup Server!

What server? ICCup, since it's most convenient







The who can join section is pretty unclear. Do you mean max rank is D-/D or current rank? Will you make exceptions to this in special cases? How do you intend to make sure nobody smurfs into your tour who is way better then D rank? In past amateur tours, that has been a big problem.



The who can join section is pretty unclear. Do you mean max rank is D-/D or current rank? Will you make exceptions to this in special cases? How do you intend to make sure nobody smurfs into your tour who is way better then D rank? In past amateur tours, that has been a big problem. Broodwar for life!

Airking990 Profile Blog Joined July 2012 United States 190 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-22 18:32:08 #9 On September 23 2016 01:17 Cele wrote:

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On September 21 2016 09:17 Airking990 wrote:





When: Every Sunday at 18:00 GMT (+00:00) (unless otherwise specified)

Who can join? Anybody who is D/D- rank on the ICCup Server!

What server? ICCup, since it's most convenient







The who can join section is pretty unclear. Do you mean max rank is D-/D or current rank? Will you make exceptions to this in special cases? How do you intend to make sure nobody smurfs into your tour who is way better then D rank? In past amateur tours, that has been a big problem.



The who can join section is pretty unclear. Do you mean max rank is D-/D or current rank? Will you make exceptions to this in special cases? How do you intend to make sure nobody smurfs into your tour who is way better then D rank? In past amateur tours, that has been a big problem.

max rank is D/D- rank. Sorry, I should have specified. And I don't intend to make exceptions to it because I'm trying to, for the moment, keep the tournament to a generally lower skill level to avoid players getting absolutely stomped (getting rid of smurfs will be hard to deal with but as time goes on, i'll look to get it dealt with. Sadly, for now, it may or may not be an issue.)

EDIT: i MAY OR MAY NOT put a restrictions on who can sign up for the tournament (i'll be checking iccup account pages) in regards to account creation date. Obviously this can hurt brand new players, but at the same time will eliminate smurfs making brand new accounts. also possibly check for certain number of games played minimum?



I want to do higher skill groups in the future, in separate brackets, but for now majority of the players who i got responses from on my other thread where I was doing planning were more in the D/D- rank spectrum, and some C-/C players. If the tournament gets a bigger following, I'll definitely try to get that going on.



On September 22 2016 17:35 DarkNetHunter wrote:

Looks neat, though I wish Destination + Python were replaced by new/foreign maps (something straightforward like Latin Quarter or Overwatch).



Are signups in the thread or is there some link to a bracket, because that's not clear from OP?



Anyway have a good time to all the participants





Looks neat, though I wish Destination + Python were replaced by new/foreign maps (something straightforward like Latin Quarter or Overwatch).Are signups in the thread or is there some link to a bracket, because that's not clear from OP?Anyway have a good time to all the participants



Generally, i picked maps that were older classics (to appeal to the older players coming back to the game) to be polled and placed in the tournament. Destination was a solid pick for a 1v1 map, since i didnt want just 4 player maps in the pool. Also, in regards to Python, i thought that it wouldn't be too terrible to have because it's generally balanced, especially at lower skill levels.



I polled all the maps that were going to be picked, and they were in this thread HERE . Other maps will be polled in the future, and Circuit Breakers and FS will generally be constants, and the other 3 maps will get rotated and polled for. Somebody suggested some sort of pattern for the maps in the polls (im putting 5 every time, picking the 3 top voted) keeping mostly older, familiar maps and having 1-3 newer ones.



This tournament is getting completely fueled by you guys, and I'm trying to make this the best possible experience for everybody based on your guys' input



As for people asking for a tournament sign up page, it will be on challonge. The link is right here . I strongly urge people to use discord and get onto my server so that it makes things much easier to handle. I will post major announcements in regards to the tournament, as well as edit the OP if any changes get made, but if you want to contact me MUCH more directly, discord would be best. max rank is D/D- rank. Sorry, I should have specified. And I don't intend to make exceptions to it because I'm trying to, for the moment, keep the tournament to a generally lower skill level to avoid players getting absolutely stomped (getting rid of smurfs will be hard to deal with but as time goes on, i'll look to get it dealt with. Sadly, for now, it may or may not be an issue.)EDIT: i MAY OR MAY NOT put a restrictions on who can sign up for the tournament (i'll be checking iccup account pages) in regards to account creation date. Obviously this can hurt brand new players, but at the same time will eliminate smurfs making brand new accounts. also possibly check for certain number of games played minimum?I want to do higher skill groups in the future, in separate brackets, but for now majority of the players who i got responses from on my other thread where I was doing planning were more in the D/D- rank spectrum, and some C-/C players. If the tournament gets a bigger following, I'll definitely try to get that going on.Generally, i picked maps that were older classics (to appeal to the older players coming back to the game) to be polled and placed in the tournament. Destination was a solid pick for a 1v1 map, since i didnt want just 4 player maps in the pool. Also, in regards to Python, i thought that it wouldn't be too terrible to have because it's generally balanced, especially at lower skill levels.I polled all the maps that were going to be picked, and they were in this thread. Other maps will be polled in the future, and Circuit Breakers and FS will generally be constants, and the other 3 maps will get rotated and polled for. Somebody suggested some sort of pattern for the maps in the polls (im putting 5 every time, picking the 3 top voted) keeping mostly older, familiar maps and having 1-3 newer ones.This tournament is getting completely fueled by you guys, and I'm trying to make this the best possible experience for everybody based on your guys' inputAs for people asking for a tournament sign up page, it will be on challonge. The link is right. I strongly urge people to use discord and get onto my server so that it makes things much easier to handle. I will post major announcements in regards to the tournament, as well as edit the OP if any changes get made, but if you want to contact me MUCH more directly, discord would be best. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8231 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-23 10:19:23 #10 GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

Cele Profile Blog Joined December 2008 Germany 3826 Posts #11 On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (; Broodwar for life!

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8231 Posts #12 On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

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On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

Cele Profile Blog Joined December 2008 Germany 3826 Posts #13 On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html Broodwar for life!

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8231 Posts #14 On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

Cele Profile Blog Joined December 2008 Germany 3826 Posts #15 On September 24 2016 00:22 Jealous wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years.



come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.



Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. Broodwar for life!

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8231 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-23 15:43:40 #16 On September 24 2016 00:30 Cele wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 24 2016 00:22 Jealous wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years.



come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.



Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing.

I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;



Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments. I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

GeckoXp Profile Blog Joined June 2013 Germany 1948 Posts #17 On September 24 2016 00:42 Jealous wrote:

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On September 24 2016 00:30 Cele wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:22 Jealous wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years.



come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.



Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing.

I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;



Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments. I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments.



well you still suck for being good at youletters.org

youletters.org, the best nuke rush page

youletters.org makes you a better person. well you still suck for being good at youletters.orgyouletters.org, the best nuke rush pageyouletters.org makes you a better person. "Was macht Gecko da aus meiner BWCL." - Annihilator

Jealous Profile Blog Joined December 2011 8231 Posts #18 On September 24 2016 08:29 GeckoXp wrote:

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On September 24 2016 00:42 Jealous wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:30 Cele wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:22 Jealous wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years.



come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.



Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing.

I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;



Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments. I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments.



well you still suck for being good at youletters.org

youletters.org, the best nuke rush page

youletters.org makes you a better person. well you still suck for being good at youletters.orgyouletters.org, the best nuke rush pageyouletters.org makes you a better person.

I've been begging the people I think were responsible to get the source code so I can fuckin play again because I fuckin loved that game. Can you help me? You were like, involved, somehow. Plz. I've been begging the people I think were responsible to get the source code so I can fuckin play again because I fuckin loved that game. Can you help me? You were like, involved, somehow. Plz. 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑖𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒. -- бум бум сучка!

GeckoXp Profile Blog Joined June 2013 Germany 1948 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-23 23:46:22 #19 I thought this was the grudge-match-thread. Sorry.



(I could, but why? go and ask brain or largo)



on topic. im like 14 seasons D, do I qualify? (not that I can install BW here I fink) "Was macht Gecko da aus meiner BWCL." - Annihilator

Airking990 Profile Blog Joined July 2012 United States 190 Posts Last Edited: 2016-09-24 01:39:09 #20 On September 24 2016 08:44 GeckoXp wrote:

I thought this was the grudge-match-thread. Sorry.



(I could, but why? go and ask brain or largo)



on topic. im like 14 seasons D, do I qualify? (not that I can install BW here I fink)

anybody who's D/D- can sign up. Obviously you have more experience compared to some people (and if any brand new players sign up for it, they'll definitely be at a MAJOR disadvantage) but it's expected from D/D-. Considering how massive the skill range of D/D- is in general, it's something hard to avoid.



As long as you're not smurfing, it'll be okay ^^



On September 24 2016 00:42 Jealous wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 24 2016 00:30 Cele wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:22 Jealous wrote:

On September 24 2016 00:14 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 23:23 Jealous wrote:

On September 23 2016 20:54 Cele wrote:

On September 23 2016 19:18 Jealous wrote:

GL Everyone! Thanks @Airking for hosting.



Before anyone asks, no I'm not in this and yes I am still garbage.



define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

define garbage. your not D/D-, that's what counts (;

I pretty much am though. I pretty much am though.



http://iccup.com/en/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html

12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years. 12 seasons of being D lol. That's like 4 years.



come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.



Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing. come on, i played some games with you not long ago. Your not D rank and you know it.Dude i like you, but i hate this rank bullshitting everybody is doing.

I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;



Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments. I lost to a 50 apm Zerg yesterday ;;Let's not get too far off-topic. Once again, thanks to the host for creating new-player-friendly tournaments.



I'm trying the hardest I can. Also i'm really just doing it for you guys. I really want to see Brood War grow (or rather regrow) and this is my way of helping the community out. For a game to grow, it needs a big low-skill playerbase to attract newer players to the game, and so as not to make the game unattractive to start playing (which SCBW very much is. It's a scary game because of all of the mechanics and stuff people talk about).



So if people hear "oh, i can participate in a tournament even though I'm a noob. There'll probably be people around my skill level, too," then it piques their interest and keeps them playing, and hopefully push them to practice leading up to the tournament. Then people see the game growing, and think "OOH COOL NEW ESPORT" (no offense to league players.. heh) and start playing brood war. Then the cycle continues. This is my idea of how the growth of games goes, at least.



The biggest thing with SCBW, though, is some people don't know where to get started. Some people don't know that ICCup has a free download for the game. There's a lack of direction for newer players, so that's why I made this video.

SHAMELESS SHILLING HERE

+ Show Spoiler + anybody who's D/D- can sign up. Obviously you have more experience compared to some people (and if any brand new players sign up for it, they'll definitely be at a MAJOR disadvantage) but it's expected from D/D-. Considering how massive the skill range of D/D- is in general, it's something hard to avoid.As long as you're not smurfing, it'll be okay ^^I'm trying the hardest I can. Also i'm really just doing it for you guys. I really want to see Brood War grow (or rather regrow) and this is my way of helping the community out. For a game to grow, it needs a big low-skill playerbase to attract newer players to the game, and so as not to make the game unattractive to start playing (which SCBW very much is. It's a scary game because of all of the mechanics and stuff people talk about).So if people hear "oh, i can participate in a tournament even though I'm a noob. There'll probably be people around my skill level, too," then it piques their interest and keeps them playing, and hopefully push them to practice leading up to the tournament. Then people see the game growing, and think "OOH COOL NEW ESPORT" (no offense to league players.. heh) and start playing brood war. Then the cycle continues. This is my idea of how the growth of games goes, at least.The biggest thing with SCBW, though, is some people don't know where to get started. Some people don't know that ICCup has a free download for the game. There's a lack of direction for newer players, so that's why I made this video.SHAMELESS SHILLING HERE aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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