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"An Open Letter From Jesus to 'Christian' America"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Diane said on 12/9/2009 @ 12:00 pm PT...





Great letter..but in my opinion Frank is too quick to give Obama a pass....and I say this as a person who voted for the man..though not my first choice (Kucinich). See: Dear Barack, Spare Me Your E-Mails, today at Truthdig.

http://www.truthdig.com/...me_your_emails_20091208/

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Kate said on 12/9/2009 @ 12:02 pm PT...





Bravo, Frank. If you get even one of those bullies to listen, it's all worth while.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Liz said on 12/9/2009 @ 12:12 pm PT...





Frank - Loved the imaginary letter from Jesus. My son is gay and a follower of Jesus Christ and I am a follower of Jesus Christ and don't find any scriptural evidence to condemn loving, monogamous same sex relationships. I sometimes think "I could be wrong - who knows for sure" - but even if I am wrong who is God going to condemn?(if he does that sort of thing is questionable imo) ... my son who is in a good, loving, monogamous relationship and not oppressing or hating on people - or religious people who are spending their time and effort trying to keep gay people from being able to marry and trying to convince them that they are shameful and rejected by God??? It's a no brainer for me.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Konstantin said on 12/9/2009 @ 1:14 pm PT...





Frank you're getting yourself tangled in the messages of the new testament if you think you can use selective passages and say the rest not relevant as evidenced by your "pick the good, leave out the bad". You should have just stuck with where Jesus says "you should love God with all your heart" and you should love your neighbor as yourself" and that story. That's all you really needed.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Shortbus said on 12/9/2009 @ 1:41 pm PT...





“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.” Ghandi

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... karen said on 12/9/2009 @ 3:37 pm PT...





Thanks Frank - I always think how infrequently Good Samaritan story is though about in Christian circles, and really how profound it is. The story is literally Christ's answer to "who is my neigbor", I take it to mean: who ever crosses you path, regardless of cultural differences, is your neighbor, and you should love and care for them as much as you do yourself, that is the essence of being a Christian People forget/ignore that when Jesus railed against the pharisees and sadduces and told the good samaritan parable, and the sheep and the goats story, he was railing against the holy-than-thou, intolerant, uncompassionate, literal readers of religious law of his day, those who did not live by the spirit of the law, which Jesus defined as compassion and understanding. I was thinking you sounded a tad angry for being Jesus, but then I remembered Jesus did get pretty righteously angry about people who were leading people astray spiritual, I suspect some one seeing Jesus throwing tables over at the temple would even say he was in a rage, not selfish anger over his needs, but in rage over the mistreatment and misleading of his flock. Thanks, great post. @Konstantin - If you read new testament portion about Jesus' life and his words, there is no way to avoid how much and how often he is making the same points as Frank does above, for the characters of his time. Yes Frank is picking certain verses, but he is picking the ones others do not pic, ignore, so the are forgotten, not emphasize, but not in the Gospels...Jesus is constantly railing on literalist puffed up righteous ones of his day, talking about how his Father will throw people in hell for doing religious duties but not caring for orphans, widows, hungry, those in jail, etc...Frank's specific examples in modern times are needed to make these points more obvious Pharisee, Sadducees=religious right of our day, poor people, gay people, muslims= widows, adulterous woman, samaritans, of his day. People completely miss the main emphasis of Christ teachings, one must pull out specific verses that are overlooked and give modern examples. Why to Christ talk in parables and analogies? it helped people understand.

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Orangutan said on 12/9/2009 @ 4:26 pm PT...





Excellent Letter!!

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/9/2009 @ 6:30 pm PT...





Awesome... Mr. Schaeffer you've gotten to the heart of the matter...

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Lora said on 12/9/2009 @ 6:35 pm PT...





The underclass, those "others." Great for the corporate capitalist so-called "Christian" America. Although I am not religious in any formal sense, I always did like Jesus, and for a long time now I have been angry at those who would promote hatred in Jesus' name.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/9/2009 @ 6:40 pm PT...





Sheesh! If there were leaders like Frank in the Churches I went to, I may not have stopped going! Inspirational, Frank!

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 12/9/2009 @ 8:01 pm PT...





Sing it, Frank!

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/9/2009 @ 9:36 pm PT...



COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Ken said on 12/10/2009 @ 6:35 am PT...





Frank, you who assume to speak as the oracle of God...be careful. Who commissioned you or who gave you the authority? This position is given of God, to those who have obtained to a level of spiritual maturity such that they can be trusted with that position. You are not there and you are in danger of judgement. Again, be very careful and consider yourself duly warned. If you persist, your blood is on your own hands. Jesus didn't violate the law (old testament ordinances), He fulfilled it. (Romans 13:10) Although, homosexuality is wrong (Romans 1:26 & 27,1 Corinthians 6:9), we are to love the homosexual as we do all men and women. (again Romans 13:10)

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Aaron said on 12/10/2009 @ 6:43 am PT...





Big Dan, just take a moment to look around. There are many American Churches that speak the true word of Christ. It is why this article is mistitled. While I agree there are those groups like the Fred Phelps gang that totally miss the point there are many Christians out their doing Christ work here on earth. In my city alone there are more Christian organizations than I can count that are out there feeding the homeless, providing for the everyday needs of the downtroddin. Simply because it is the right thing to do. You do not "have to" accept Christ to receive help, just simply show up.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 6:57 am PT...





leviticus 20:13 for liz above who thinks her son (gay) is a good christian even though he's openly gay. i hope this helps. there's still time.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 7:23 am PT...





I agree with Ken above. Frank is not God or a prophet and should not continue to speak for God. There are multiple fallacies in his letter. Nowhere does he back up what he says with scripture (hint hint). I pray you people have sense enough to read God's word for yourself and not take a man's word for what He says. Poor Frank is a liberal who misquotes the bible to make his opinions appeal to people who want to live their own life like "they" want...not how God commands. We "all" fall short of the glory of God. So beg for forgiveness from Jesus Christ as He is the only way to salvation. We all need saving. Don't get caught up in liberal or conservative politicians beliefs to save you....as Frank bashes Bush and praises Obama...both of which are just men and both sin. Read what the bible says on wars( (1 Samuel 15:3; Joshua 4:13)., homosexuality (levitcus 20:13), abortion(jeremiah 1:5) etc. If you have any questions what to do in life don't believe the commone man....read God's word. We're all responsible for ourselves to know what is right and wrong according to the bible. Frank I leave you with this passage as your letter fits this to a "T". Proverbs 6:16-19 You're walking on thin ice it appears.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:45 am PT...





American anti-gay activists and Republicans behind legislation in Uganda to execute gays: http://www.msnbc.msn.com...908/vp/34354722#34354722

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:46 am PT...





Any wingnuts wanna justify this???????????????????

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:48 am PT...





Uganda is currently considering an incredibly brutal anti-gay law. Apparently it's not good enough to make homosexuality illegal and put people in prison for it for life, now they may go even further and put gays to death - along with anyone who advocates on their behalf. And now --- surprise, surprise --- it turns out that the people behind this in that country are members of The Family. http://scienceblogs.com/...s_ties_to_ugandas_an.php http://rawstory.com/2009...dan-law-execute-hiv-men/ Republican Jesus says: "Kill the gays"

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:50 am PT...





Are churches offering free health care for those who don't have it? I always wonder that.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... glogrrl said on 12/10/2009 @ 10:42 am PT...





Amen.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 10:58 am PT...





big dan i think you're old enough to get a job with insurance. if not your mother should have you covered. half the people out there in need of insurance either don't want it because their job pays more to decline it or they just don't want to get a job. i agree some people aren't offerend insurance and these people should think about purchasing their own. i know if i didn't have insurance i'd purchase it...if not for me then for my family. insurance isn't a right it's a benefit. next you'll be saying we should pay for everyone's car insurance flood insurance etc. i buy mine and the uninsured should buy theirs. basically these knuckleheads want this bill passed so we can pay for everyone's abortion....otherwise they'd omit that from the bill.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... David Lipscomb said on 12/10/2009 @ 2:30 pm PT...





When a servant of Satan like Frank Schaeffer attempts to speak on behalf of Almighty God, the first and only thing to do is to ignore it for the blasphemy it is.

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 3:38 pm PT...





To some degree i agree David. But if we ignored everyone who thought like this guy we'd be going to Heaven without alot of people who still have time to change their hearts. There's no doubt in my mind that these people know right from wrong. They just find it's alot easier to go down the path of Satan then follow the Lord. And I agree it is. One day in the near future they won't have to worry about that choice and it'll be too late. There isn't a day that goes by that we don't stumble. But the good news is we've already been forgiven. All we have to do is ask for forgiveness and turn away from that sin. Too many people looking out for number one and it's terrible. A guy with what he believes in and he wants to tell everyone what Jesus would do. Poor Schaeffer. I'll be praying for you and people like you who think it's ok to live "my" life with no regards for living biblically. The great day of the Lord is closer than the experts believe I beg that everyone who doesn't know the Lord get on their knees tonight and ask for forgiveness. Then start reading new testament. Reading John got me started. Once you believe in the Lord it'll break your heart knowing we're all guilty of His murder. Good thing about the Jesus is he's there for you anytime you need him. If you fully repent and mean it I promise you'll be blessed beyond imagination. He's the man.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... river said on 12/10/2009 @ 5:45 pm PT...





There is not much hope for America, as long as lots of people there are brainwashed to think like Michael #24.

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 7:48 pm PT...





LOL yeah River one day really soon you'll think of me and what I've been trying to get through your thick skull. I'm sorry for you that you feel that way. What's more interesting is you'll read a so called letter that Schaeffer wrote from Jesus but you won't believe in Him? Sounds a little backwards. I give you this...at least you're trying to ready words about Jesus. You're just reading them from a guy who doesn't know Him. More facts about the bible have been proven to have come true than any other book written and people still turn their backs. Statistically speaking, the bible has so many prophecies proven true It's impossible for the bible to be anything but truth. I'll keep you in my thoughts. Nice site if you're interested. http://www.clarifyingchr...ianity.com/science.shtml

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:14 pm PT...





To Ken, Michael and David @ various comments... To quote Frank Schaeffer... You hypocrites! Don't you get it? And now I see Konstantine (@#4) is a divinity major too...

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... Nathanial said on 12/10/2009 @ 8:43 pm PT...





I agree with all those above who say we should be living in a Biblical manner, and who condemn "cafeteria Christians" who want to pick-and-chose what verses they like out of the holy scripture. Let's start by stoning to death all of those truly-damned adulterers, and let's make a great example to the wider population by starting with the so-called political elite. Who's up first? Newt Gingrich? Mark Sanford? John Ensign? David Vitter? Paul Stanley? Michael Duvall? C'mon, which of you Pharisees are with me?

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Ken said on 12/11/2009 @ 1:40 am PT...





To all the self-righteous bigots and haters posting in here (eg Michael) - don't you get it? Your bigotry will never get you into heaven, no matter how self-righteous you believe yourself to be. You're just another hatemonger defiling the name of Jesus.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/11/2009 @ 7:55 am PT...





Ken @29 Are you the same Ken that wrote this to Frank @13 ? You are not there and you are in danger of judgement. Again, be very careful and consider yourself duly warned. If you persist, your blood is on your own hands. If so...then please see comment #27..it surely applies.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Andrew said on 12/11/2009 @ 8:25 am PT...





Sounds like another "Blame the Christians and the Jews." "Blessed are they who have been persecuted for righteousness' sake! For theirs is the kingdom of Heaven." Should Christians just shut up? When Homosexual pastors lead their congregations to hell, should the Christians who know the truth shut up? Doesn't sound like walking in love to me, holding back the truth. When children grow up in an environment with a twisted concept of "male and male" parents, should the Christians shut up? And when the school systems try to indoctrinate our children with the lies that these practices are healthy, should Christians run away and hide? When the truth is hidden, the people become oppressed. The truth shall make you free.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/11/2009 @ 9:19 am PT...





Andrew @31 Sounds like another "Blame the Christians and the Jews. You mean like Christians and Jews blame gays, liberals and anyone who may speak up for those groups ? Should Christians just shut up? I think Frank was asking Christians to stand up; to stand up for the love and forgiveness that Chris actually taught. When the truth is hidden, the people become oppressed Huh ? what ? Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices, mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law: justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/11/2009 @ 9:27 am PT...





Make if this what you will... Matthew 7: 21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... here's a clue said on 12/11/2009 @ 10:03 am PT...





@ COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 7:48 pm PT.. "Statistically speaking, the bible has so many prophecies proven true It's impossible for the bible to be anything but truth." Now, I realize that you are refering to prophecy, but you offer us a website wherein the first words are as follows: "The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible." I humbly submit to you the following questions: 1) what is the value of pi? 2) what is the Biblical valueof pi? (Hint 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2) 3) how do you reconcile the difference between the answers to 1 (3.14...) and 2 (3.00) above and still maintain that "It's impossible for the bible to be anything but truth"?

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Damail said on 12/11/2009 @ 10:27 am PT...





To Mr. Schaeffer: You are not Jesus. You can't speak for Jesus any more than I can, or any conservative, or any liberal. You are as guilty of intolerance as the people you criticize.

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Anjha said on 12/11/2009 @ 10:57 am PT...





So many words and so little logic. "Frank "cannot" speak for Jesus." But the Pastors in your megachurches who teach intolerance can? "Frank will go to hell for blasphemy?" What about the writers of the Bible? Where they also blasphemous? How did they get the permission to "speak for Jesus?" "Frank is "misrepresenting" the Bible because he is a liberal?" Wasn't Jesus a Liberal? "Frank does not know God or does not know the Bible or does not give his soul over to God." Interesting that...how can anyone know what is in another's heart? Not to mention that my understanding of Frank Schaeffer was that he has been studying scripture and Christ his entire life...but, apparently if his truth does not equal your truth it is not the real truth. "You should read God's word for yourself and not take a man's word for God's." Which God's words should I read? The ones that the Council of Nicaea decided that they would include in the Bible or the ones that they decided not to include? Men wrote the words in the Bible, men from the Council of Nicaea decided which of those words that they would include and you are all instructing me not to trust the word of man but to instead only trust the word of God. God is a Concept by which

we measure our pain - John Lennon

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Nathanial said on 12/11/2009 @ 11:13 am PT...





"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They shall have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." --- Matthew 6:5-6



THE BIBLE SAYS: PRAYER BELONGS IN THE CLOSET, NOT GAYS Get thee behind me, hypocrites!

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/11/2009 @ 3:10 pm PT...





To "here's a clue" comment 26 http://www.direct.ca/trinity/pi.html see if this link helps you out with your math. I'm sure with all your great wisdom you'd know the answer to pi before God would? You're talking a difference of .00026% difference in that verse of scripture and pi. It's easy for people to step back and pick out a verse here and verse there and attempt to tear it apart to try and ridicule God's word. I'd like to know from this person if he knows of a prophecy written in the bible that's ever been proven wrong. Just pick one. I mean there are hundreds to chose from and I'm asking for one verse you can prove wrong. And to Nathanial on comment 37. Leviticus 20:13 is all you need to know about homosexuality. And their is a huge difference between witnessing to people in public and praying in public. I'm sure you'd know this or are you just tossing a few jabs in at the Christians who actually care whether or not people go to hell? This letter written is based on half fact taken out of context and the writer knows this. That's what makes it really detestable. Apparently the writer knows a little something about God's word but refuses to take the whole verse into meaning because it condemns his beliefs. The bible in plain words condemns homosexuality...no ifs, ands or buts. We should all be striving to live a better life and hold ourselves to a higher standard for what was given to us. It's not my job to condemn anyone. I'm a sinner as everyone posting on this site is. The difference is that I know I fall short of the glory of God and have asked for forgiveness for all of my sins. It's an everyday process...just as it is for a junkie or an alocoholic, it is for a sinner who's trying to live according to God's will not ours. Every day holds challenges once you've accepted His gift.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/11/2009 @ 3:30 pm PT...





To Anjha comment 36. First of all don't get caught up believing every preacher you hear. He's only a man. If you put faith in a man to save you then you're alot worse off then you know. Men will fail you every time whereas God will not. What I'm saying to you is that you should know enough of the bible to figure out if a preacher is speaking clearly from the word of God. Also, writers of the bible were given visions from God as to what should be included in the bible. Understand something. What is in the bible today is there because God wanted it that way...no matter who typed it up, wrote it down etc....it's ultimately God's decision. He uses man every day to get His work done. He doesn't need us to do His work to get it done, but we do it willingly because the sacrifice He's made for everyone of us whether we accept His gift or not He's still your God. Also noone knows what's in Schaeffer's heart...only God knows. But understand what precedeth from the mouth comes from the heart first (matthew 15:17-20). Basically, he's laying his cards out on the table when he writes what he's writing. He could be on his knees as I type this asking the Lord into his heart and he's forgiven and will enter into heaven on that Great Day! It's as simple or as hard as you want it to be. Understand this, the first time Jesus came it was as a Lamb to be sacrificed for our sins. The next time He returns it will be as Conquerer and Judge. It's too late then. The curtain hasn't closed on this one yet. I hope this helps. God Bless you.

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... Nathanial said on 12/11/2009 @ 3:56 pm PT...





Michael -- No, that's NOT all I need to know about homosexuality. I needed to know a lot *more*, so I dropped the bronze-age mythology and came to terms with who I really AM --- an out, proud gay man --- and I am a lot happier and content than when I was letting sanctimonious busy-bodies bully me around. And, as you may know, the bible also condemns usury, so why aren't all the busybodies lining up to spread calumny about all the major banks? And you *know* about that "bearing false witness" injunction, which a lot of the gawd-botherers --- from Tony Perkins to Maggie Gallagher to Fred Phelps to Joey the Rat in his obscene gilded palace --- transgress on a virtual daily basis, what with all the shocking lies that they tell about us harmless and innocent gay men and women. In short, instead of being so fixated on being "born again", why doesn't your crew just concentrate on GROWING UP?

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... BlueHawk said on 12/11/2009 @ 6:18 pm PT...





Michael @38.... To "here's a clue" comment 26 http://www.direct.ca/trinity/pi.html see if this link helps you out with your math. I'm sure with all your great wisdom you'd know the answer to pi before God would? You're talking a difference of .00026% difference in that verse of scripture and pi. You keep saying how the bible is infallible...does that infalliblity have a margin of error ? A margin of error that you gave it for the number of pi ?

Would you agree that maybe that same margin of error be granted to us imperfect humans in our dealings with each other ? You'll tolerate the bible being clearly wrong about the simple number of pi. But you'll hold an imperfect human to the letter of the law...a law mind you that Jesus fulfilled and replaced with mercy and grace.

Michael I don't think you've used the words love, forgiveness, grace or mercy in any of your comments here...

but you claim to speak for god. "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" he replied, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind' - this is the great and foremost commandment, and there is a second like it, 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself'. The whole Law and Prophets hang on these two commands." (Mtt 22:37-40, Mrk 12:28-34).

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/11/2009 @ 10:45 pm PT...





COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... michael said on 12/10/2009 @ 10:58 am PT... big dan i think you're old enough to get a job with insurance. if not your mother should have you covered. half the people out there in need of insurance either don't want it because their job pays more to decline it or they just don't want to get a job. i agree some people aren't offerend insurance and these people should think about purchasing their own. i know if i didn't have insurance i'd purchase it...if not for me then for my family. insurance isn't a right it's a benefit. next you'll be saying we should pay for everyone's car insurance flood insurance etc. i buy mine and the uninsured should buy theirs. basically these knuckleheads want this bill passed so we can pay for everyone's abortion....otherwise they'd omit that from the bill.

Drive by ignorance. Typical ignorant conservative who only thinks of himself and thinks he knows everything. Your ignorance is really showing with the statement that you think half the people out there aren't insured because they don't want it. Who wouldn't want insurance? That's asinine to say people don't want insurance, that doesn't make any sense. People like you see the light when they lose their insurance. You are the "I got mine, screw you" mentality. The "I don't want everyone covered because then mine will go up" mentality. The selfish mentality of conservatives. You will see the light soon, because insurance is tied to your job, and jobs are getting scarce. Wait until you lose your insurance, or someone in your family does. Will you laugh at them? Or one of your friends. Wait until one of your relatives or friends dies due to lack of health insurance. It's a right, not a privilege. Maybe not to you and your "I got mine" conservatism.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/11/2009 @ 10:46 pm PT...





The mentality of Michael fits in well with Frank's letter from Jesus. Thank you Michael, for being an example of just what Frank is talking about.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 12/11/2009 @ 11:03 pm PT...





Conservatives like Michael have put a value on an American's life: it's $100. If Michael was told his insurance would go up from $400 to $500 in order to cover all uninsured Americans and save thousands of lives, Michael would say "no".

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... aview999 said on 12/12/2009 @ 5:17 am PT...





Thank you Frank. I think Jesus would approve of this piece.

As for the trolls here, may you and the other commenters have a very Merry Christmas and a much better New Year. Pray for Peace and for bringing the troops home. Those poor souls need all the prayers they can get. Let's all work to end these unjust wars, afterall that's what Jesus would want.

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... aview999 said on 12/12/2009 @ 7:00 am PT...





Tell Congress NO!

http://rethinkafghanistan.com/

Vote NO on any spending bill that would send more troops to Afghanistan.

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... Mike said on 12/12/2009 @ 10:41 am PT...





A little pedantic, but right on. There are any number of amazing things about this blog. For starters, it flies right over the heads of most convervative Christians that they are the embodiment of biblical Pharisees; just we liberal mainline Christians such as myself don't seem to grasp that we are the Sadduccees of this day. What is most astounding is to think of who Frank Schaeffer's father was--and to see how Frank has not abandoned Christianity altogether. Would it were possible for us to fast forward 100 years and see what religion scholars make of the dicotomy between Francis and Frank Schaeffer, which of them will be the enduring spiritual voice and what our response to either of them will say about us.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... John Steinsvold said on 12/13/2009 @ 12:20 pm PT...





An Alternative to Capitalism (which will end poverty) The following link, takes you to a "utopian" article, entitled "Home of the Brave?" which I wrote and appeared in the Athenaeum Library of Philosophy: http://evans-experientia...space.com/steinsvold.htm John Steinsvold

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... lah said on 12/13/2009 @ 4:11 pm PT...





Dearest Jesus, I appreciate your comments regarding Christians and their hypocritical stance re: gays. However I was hoping you would also address the "Christian" inclination towards war, and their indifference to suffering, torture and false imprisonment of others. Why aren't these Christians against war? Why not "Peace on Earth"?

COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Ken from 13 said on 12/14/2009 @ 8:27 am PT...





Everyone but Frank is commenting in this blog. I'm interested in hearing what Frank has to say about all the comments he's generated.

COMMENT #51 [Permalink]

... Bill said on 12/17/2009 @ 2:51 pm PT...





There is NO reasoning with 'Christians' these days. Not sure if there ever was. But one thing IS clear about those who call themselves Christians in America... Until they do right by humanity, God has most certainly forsaken them. One only needs to look at them and their intentions to know this. Christianity in America and many other parts of the world has become a symbol of hatred, bigotry and oppression. And apparently Christ's followers wouldn't have it any other way.

COMMENT #52 [Permalink]

... Rynmaloo said on 12/21/2009 @ 1:51 pm PT...





Dearest Michael, You said: Men will fail you every time whereas God will not. You also said: Understand something. What is in the bible today is there because God wanted it that way...no matter who typed it up, wrote it down etc....it's ultimately God's decision. He uses man every day to get His work done. This strikes me as a wee bit fickle. Is the fact that the Council of Nicaea were somehow more led by God (and therefore conveniently relevant to your point) because it happened so long ago? Are we more fallible now in our interpretation than 2000 years ago? (Apart from the fact that the council cherry picked so all we have to go on now is what they have told us we can have.) This sentiment also strikes me as naive, contadicted, but also quite dangrous to live by.

So you're saying God wills everything? Or just that "True Christians" such as yourself are solely led by the big G?

Was 9/11 an act of God? Or was that the American Government cashing in on fear, whilst fuelling the hatred of "that which is other" in the horrified American people? (Actually that's unfair, it horrified, not to mention sucessfully terrified the whole world.) I'm sure God wouldn't want you to feel guilty all the time for sinning. Depends what you count as sins I suppose. ...Eating a Big Mac? Does that count? Or stuff like thinking "She looks fat in that, and then lying to make her feel better?" Or the classic "I totally just killed 20 people with this machine gun..." "Man will fail every time", huh? Tad harsh there. Are you yourself not a man?

I know nobody is perfect, but isn't the point of being human to make mistakes and then rectify them? You do that for yourself. Then if you're desperate you can ask God to handle stuff for you if you can't deal with it. But you do that with your parents when you are little. God as father. Powerful. Dangerous. God usually doesn't smack your wrist in this life, and well, I haven't actually met anyone who has been to a hell they haven't made for themselves here... so. Let your conscience be your guide darling. I wish upon you what you wish upon yourself. xxx Ryn

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... David Lipscomb said on 12/21/2009 @ 6:41 pm PT...





Michael said "To some degree i agree David. But if we ignored everyone who thought like this guy we'd be going to Heaven without alot of people who still have time to change their hearts." I agree that while there is life there is still time, and I pray they'll learn the truth before it's too late. But there comes a time when one must stop casting their pearls before swine and move on to those whose hearts and minds are not filled with hatred towards God and His Word. The modern-day liberal hates God and His laws and harbours hatred towards those who are his true followers, as is evident from several of the posts on this thread. May the Lord reward them according to their works.

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... Brad Friedman said on 12/21/2009 @ 6:55 pm PT...





David Lipscomb write: The modern-day liberal hates God and His laws and harbours hatred towards those who are his true followers How unbelievably insulting, obnoxious and inaccurate. If that's what you believe, David, you are truly a lost and/or confused and/or forever poisoned soul. What a pity.

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... Rynmaloo said on 12/22/2009 @ 3:54 pm PT...





Brad Friedman ~ you forgot to mention David Lipscomb completely lumping every liberal into the same category that he has imagined for himself. And ignoring the fact that whilst blinded by his own sense of righteousness he has forgotten how to love anyone other than his particular brand of God Squad and the image of their snowy bearded white father figure mascot.

But I forgive Mr. Lipscomb because his name makes me think of someone with a truly epic moustache. For that reason alone, David has made me smile. And hey, David, look on the bright side... I don't want to hang around with you scary guys when I die. Frankly, it sounds like my idea of hell! So I'll just go elsewhere. Or maybe just reincarnate. Ciao! xxx

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... Stephen said on 12/28/2009 @ 4:18 pm PT...

