Which race do you think is currently the strongest? :



Shield Profile Blog Joined August 2009 Bulgaria 4822 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 00:12:29 #1 Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

oGsChess Profile Joined September 2015 22 Posts #2 Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level), EU tends more to Zerg, but there's considerably more Zergs in EU aswell. Terran does fine overall imo, although not overperforming like always. The father, the son and the holy spirit of ByuN

Beelzebub1 Profile Joined May 2015 641 Posts #3 Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta.



Just because they are the least played doesn't mean they aren't the strongest, meta game shifts either chases people away or brings them back, if protoss remain this strong I guarantee we will see more protons on ladder.



Being the least played race means that ladder protons players get plenty of practice vs Terran and zerg, while Terran and zerg players get comparatively much less practice against protons opponents.



A_Scarecrow Profile Joined March 2013 Australia 721 Posts #4 On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest.

SpunXtain20 Profile Joined January 2014 Australia 551 Posts #5 On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.



U serious bro? People almost always pick one race and stick to it - for years. Much longer than the time between balance patches. Your logic is so flawed. Moron.



User was warned for this post U serious bro? People almost always pick one race and stick to it - for years. Much longer than the time between balance patches. Your logic is so flawed. Moron. *Hugs all* | I came here to drink milk and kick asses, and I've just finished my milk.

VanSCPurge Profile Joined November 2012 United States 168 Posts #6 On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote:

Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta.







Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually.



"Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army.



Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually."Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army. "Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes

DinoMight Profile Blog Joined June 2012 United States 3331 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 15:30:21 #7 On May 06 2016 23:18 VanSCPurge wrote:

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On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote:

Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta.







Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually.



"Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army.



Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually."Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army.



Yeah anyone who thinks Protoss armies in LotV are easy to control probably hasn't played since HotS. Yeah anyone who thinks Protoss armies in LotV are easy to control probably hasn't played since HotS. "Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI

Sharkken Profile Joined October 2012 Jordan 132 Posts #8 Good players always find a way to win, I voted Zerg but that does not mean that I have to lose to them every time, I just think that they have more mid game options to close out the game, and ofcourse I'm basing my opinion in comparison to my ladder league. Liquid HerO Best Toss in the World

KalWarkov Profile Blog Joined December 2011 Germany 3911 Posts #9 On May 06 2016 10:40 oGsChess wrote:

Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level), EU tends more to Zerg, but there's considerably more Zergs in EU aswell. Terran does fine overall imo, although not overperforming like always.



korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now...



i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now.



Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race.



Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough.

I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans.



But:

a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z bases

b) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficiently

c) it's pretty much impossible to control



TL:DR

After all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities.

korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now...i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now.Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race.Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough.I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans.But:a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z basesb) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficientlyc) it's pretty much impossible to controlTL:DRAfter all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities. DiaBoLuS ** Sc2 - Protoss: 16x GM WoL/HotS/LotV | Dota2 - Offlane/5: peak 5.8k solo | Wc3 - Undead: 2007/2008/2016/2017/2018 ~rank 100 W3A/Bnet, ~60% winrate | Diablo 2 / Grim Dawn / PoE nerd - Melee Classes | Leffen/Ice, MCarlsen, BVB <3 | Agnostic***

Beelzebub1 Profile Joined May 2015 641 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 20:55:37 #10 On May 06 2016 23:18 VanSCPurge wrote:

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On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote:

Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta.







Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually.



"Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army.



Ok, not to be "that guy", but this is pretty blatantly not true. A "plethora" would imply that protoss isn't forced into pheonix play in every single PvZ. From what I've seen PvT is pretty balanced actually."Easiest to control end game" also makes it sound like you've never actually had to control an end-game protoss army.



I guess by plethora I meant viable macro and viable aggression builds in all of their match ups I have zero clue about pvp.



Any no further comments about protoss end game from me, that's merely my opinion, not trying to start a flame war.

I guess by plethora I meant viable macro and viable aggression builds in all of their match ups I have zero clue about pvp.Any no further comments about protoss end game from me, that's merely my opinion, not trying to start a flame war.

Tosster Profile Joined August 2011 Poland 293 Posts #11 On May 06 2016 11:49 Beelzebub1 wrote:

Protoss seems very powerful both on ladder and at the highest level of play, having a plethora of powerful macro and aggression builds along with the easiest to control end game gives them the edge in the meta.



Just because they are the least played doesn't mean they aren't the strongest, meta game shifts either chases people away or brings them back, if protoss remain this strong I guarantee we will see more protons on ladder.





What a complete nonsense.



User was warned for this post What a complete nonsense.

Shield Profile Blog Joined August 2009 Bulgaria 4822 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 22:30:21 #12 On May 06 2016 17:39 A_Scarecrow wrote:

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On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest.



Sure, but if you have an OP race, there are people who will to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. Sure, but if you have an OP race, there are people who will to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun.

Jer99 Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Canada 8155 Posts #13 On May 07 2016 07:26 Shield wrote:

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On May 06 2016 17:39 A_Scarecrow wrote:

On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest.



Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun.



Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. Strategy TaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"

Shield Profile Blog Joined August 2009 Bulgaria 4822 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 22:34:29 #14 On May 07 2016 07:30 Jer99 wrote:

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On May 07 2016 07:26 Shield wrote:

On May 06 2016 17:39 A_Scarecrow wrote:

On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest.



Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun.



Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race.



Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games. Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games.

Dangermousecatdog Profile Joined December 2010 United Kingdom 6250 Posts #15 I wouldn't trust Blizzard "stats". Remember when they declared all races were balanced because the average across ladder all races won 50% of the time?

Jer99 Profile Blog Joined April 2011 Canada 8155 Posts Last Edited: 2016-05-06 22:56:37 #16 On May 07 2016 07:32 Shield wrote:

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On May 07 2016 07:30 Jer99 wrote:

On May 07 2016 07:26 Shield wrote:

On May 06 2016 17:39 A_Scarecrow wrote:

On May 06 2016 09:06 Shield wrote:

Some people vote for a race just because last GSL Code S was won by protoss. I think you should vote in general. The truth is protoss is the least played race. It doesn't make sense if the strongest race is the least played race. Some could say fun is more important but there are a lot of people in sc2 who are happy to play whatever is the strongest not the most fun.

during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest. during hots zerg was the most played race in several regions yet did not have the results. just because a race is not popular does not mean its not the strongest.



Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun. Sure, but if you have an OP race, people are likely to switch to it. Why else do people like IdrA, Morrow, Artosis, TLO and so on change their races? Hint: it's not just because of fun.



Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race. Still doesn't mean most played race = strongest. It's definitely possible that the strongest race could also be the least played race.



Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games. Possibly, if you have a few Korean players who dominate but the same might not be true for race in general for non-pro players. That's why we need ladder stats but Blizzard stopped providing it at some point? After all, the poll isn't clear whether it asks in general or the strongest race in pro games.



All it's asking is what do you think is the strongest race, preferably with arguments to support your claim. All it's asking is what dothink is the strongest race, preferably with arguments to support your claim. Strategy TaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"

Cyro Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United Kingdom 19832 Posts #17 Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level)



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bestviva Profile Joined July 2015 148 Posts #18 On May 07 2016 04:20 KalWarkov wrote:

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Winrates overall in KR leagues suggest Protoss (both PvT and PvZ favor Toss on highest level), EU tends more to Zerg, but there's considerably more Zergs in EU aswell. Terran does fine overall imo, although not overperforming like always.



korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now...



i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now.





Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race.



Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough.

I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans.



But:

a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z bases

b) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficiently

c) it's pretty much impossible to control



TL:DR

After all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities.

korean zergs seem to lack in the strategic departement, idk, i feel like a random EU zerg strat played by a top korean zerg would demolish everyone. Also, If LIFE was playing and he tried, i can guarantee you that zest wouldn't be champion right now...i might be wrong though, and zerg is just quite easy to execute well enough to be good, but you cannot beat the best with it right now (too little things that divide skill). Hence, Guru can beat ppl Snute has trouble with, while snute can beat zest which no Zerg in korea can. i feel like zerg skill is really fucking random right now.Terran is still struggling with tech transitions and rebuilding army. If they could remax / reinforce as fast as Z and P and techswitch as fast as espeically Z, T would probably be the best race.Terrans don't even get to try to build their dream army cuz they struggle to rebuild T1 units to be able to remax fast enough.I still don't see any P/Z army beating ~25 ravens, 10 vikings, some ranged liberators, 5 BCs, + a tiny bit of medivac/bio/ghost with mass scans.But:a) T won't ever be able to afford that without dying or playing 3 T base vs 5/6 P or Z basesb) The army is highly immobile and hard to rebuild, even when always trading efficientlyc) it's pretty much impossible to controlTL:DRAfter all, P is the best race right now results wise, at least in Korea. The reason is that Korean Z doesnt seem to be on top of their game [esp. strategy-wise] and is missing their all time star players, while the terran race as a whole is still a bit weird as it doesnt have good enough remax and transition / techswitch possibilities.



well…If BByong was playing and he tried, i can

guarantee you that LIFE wouldn't be champion

either…

the "if"situation is useless thing in this game, champion is champion. Zest was preparing GSL when he lost to snute . and also I doubt if the top class korean players give a shit about online matches.

I think it's player op rather than race op, strong players make their race look op. like Maru with Terran, Zest with Protoss, Dark with Zerg.







well…If BByong was playing and he tried, i canguarantee you that LIFE wouldn't be championeither…the "if"situation is useless thing in this game, champion is champion. Zest was preparing GSL when he lost to snute . and also I doubt if the top class korean players give a shit about online matches.I think it's player op rather than race op, strong players make their race look op. like Maru with Terran, Zest with Protoss, Dark with Zerg.

SNSeigifried Profile Joined April 2013 United States 1637 Posts #19

http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=LotV&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= You guys do realize that zest is only a god vs terran/protoss right :D Icebound Esports

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On May 08 2016 00:56 SNSeigifried wrote:

You guys do realize that zest is only a god vs terran/protoss right :D

http://aligulac.com/players/1658/results/?after=&before=&event=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=LotV&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op= You guys do realize that zest is only a god vs terran/protoss right :D



:D:D:D:D:D zest is god terran protoss indeed protoss is currently strongest race but zergs are very strong too.:D:D:D:D:D zest is god terran protoss indeed

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