In the second episode of MWI’s new Urban Warfare Project podcast, John Spencer is joined by Col. Rich Creed, the director of the Army’s Combined Arms Doctrine Directorate at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. A graduate of the School of Advanced Military Studies, he has commanded Army organizations at company, battalion, and brigade levels. There are few people, therefore, better equipped to take part in a deep conversation about Army doctrine and the process by which it takes shape. The conversation also examines the scope of existing doctrine that specifically centers on the urban battlefield.

Listen to the full episode below, and be sure to subscribe to the Urban Warfare Project podcast on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, or your favorite podcast app so you don’t miss an episode!

Image credit: 1st Lt. Lynn Chui, US Army