I don’t think that’s the time to project who that is. But I will tell you, family separation is not American value at the border. It isn’t. The idea we’re going to deport these people — that’s not, to me, American value. Ringing up massive debt. We like the tax cut. But there was no tax reform. It was a problem. And in trying to strip health care away from 20 million Americans. It seems as though we have been backing a lot of people into a corner using our power — our economic power to get what we want. And, in the short run, we might win. But think about somebody who’s powerful, somebody who’s rich, who forces you to do things that you bitterly resent. There are better ways to get it done without having to use your power to extract what you want. Sometimes you’ve got to be tough as nails. McCain was. I am. But, at the end, most of the time, it’s persuasion. It’s seeking the better angels in life that allow us to be more successful than just pounding on people. . . .

Unfortunately our party is shrinking. We’re now down to about 25 percent. It’s all becoming like a remnant. Parties go through this. But the party has shrunk and, in my state and in my community and in my district, we had a congressional race that the Republican who took my place was able to win by 17 points. Just a couple of weeks ago — he won by the skin of his teeth. And I talked to him the other day. I’m proud of him. He’s saying that the tariffs are a bad idea. He’s also beginning to say you know he said he said turn off the television don’t listen to all the talk television and . . . let us get together as Americans. I was proud of him.