User Info: Terantatek Terantatek 3 years ago #1 Right? - Results (122 votes) Denuvo is good cause games are harder to crack 42.62% (52 votes) 52 Denuvo is bad because I pirate games 57.38% (70 votes) 70 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hj9yPs

i7 7700k @ 4.6ghz | MSI GTX Gaming X 1070 | Ripjaws 16GB 3000mhz | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus Prime Z270-A As far as I understand the ONLY ones who dislike it are the "bad" people right? The undesirables?

User Info: Boge Boge 3 years ago #2



So unless you are a publisher or developer making money off the sales, I don't know why you'd vote "good" for any DRM. Hey, how come my two cents is only worth like a half a cent? It offers nothing to the legitimate buyer. It prevents the pirates from playing the game. No consumer should be happy with it. It only MIGHT help the publisher/developer, but that's impossible to prove anyway. There are also situations where it has hurt a games performance.So unless you are a publisher or developer making money off the sales, I don't know why you'd vote "good" for any DRM.

User Info: cody4783 cody4783 3 years ago #3



Denuvo on it's own is fine. The issues that span from it are often more on fault of the developer not using it properly and letting it cause errant behavior. Several of these were fixed in a patch shortly after.



Honestly, given that with Denuvo basically being a "We guarantee it won't be cracked on launch day" or whatever their policy is, and thus leading to developers opting to remove it entirely AFTER it gets cracked, I'm totally fine with it. How many other forms of DRM can we say routinely get removed after they are deemed obsolete or no longer effective?



And does no one remember the level of invasive DRM we had in the Starforce and similar days? You know, potential for literal BSODs because the DRM was a trainwreck that didn't play nice with...well much of anything.



Ultimately, DRM is the lock on the door that keeps the honest people honest. Generally speaking, it's not going to cause a problem for the genuine consumer unless someone forgets to unlock the door one day (Read: The DRM servers are down for a day). But it slows the crooks down just long enough to have to smash the door before running off with all the jewels (Read: It has to be cracked before it can be uploaded and redistributed freely). We aren't getting away with it any time soon, but Denuvo is by far NOT the worst one out there. PC (1/2017) http://i.imgur.com/0SVA6BP.png

HTC Vive. Embrace the VRevolution There are people that have had bad luck with it and it did weird things, but they're by far the vocal minority. There are also a small selection of games that used it very poorly and it caused performance issues or bugs (Ie, when the developer f***ed up the Denuvo settings and had their game performing DRM checks 30 times a second or some nonsense).Denuvo on it's own is fine. The issues that span from it are often more on fault of the developer not using it properly and letting it cause errant behavior. Several of these were fixed in a patch shortly after.Honestly, given that with Denuvo basically being a "We guarantee it won't be cracked on launch day" or whatever their policy is, and thus leading to developers opting to remove it entirely AFTER it gets cracked, I'm totally fine with it. How many other forms of DRM can we say routinely get removed after they are deemed obsolete or no longer effective?And does no one remember the level of invasive DRM we had in the Starforce and similar days? You know, potential for literal BSODs because the DRM was a trainwreck that didn't play nice with...well much of anything.Ultimately, DRM is the lock on the door that keeps the honest people honest. Generally speaking, it's not going to cause a problem for the genuine consumer unless someone forgets to unlock the door one day (Read: The DRM servers are down for a day). But it slows the crooks down just long enough to have to smash the door before running off with all the jewels (Read: It has to be cracked before it can be uploaded and redistributed freely). We aren't getting away with it any time soon, but Denuvo is by far NOT the worst one out there.

User Info: arleas arleas 3 years ago #4



It's not impossible that it would have a negative impact; I just have yet to witness it for myself. http://steamsignature.com/profile/english/76561197969913402.png http://i.imgur.com/VHKOxqN.png

FC: 3325-5440-8407 Dream Code:5E00-0013-7C61 I've heard tales of really s***ty performance which is blamed on the DRM. I can only say that the few games I have with Denuvo have not impacted my performance in a manner that I would notice. Maybe it's making me go from 68 fps down to 59 and I just don't see it?It's not impossible that it would have a negative impact; I just have yet to witness it for myself.

User Info: cody4783 cody4783 3 years ago #5 PC (1/2017) http://i.imgur.com/0SVA6BP.png

HTC Vive. Embrace the VRevolution Well I mean, HOW would you prove it was causing issues without either pirating the game and running a comparison, or waiting until Denuvo was patched out and testing then? I won't deny that it could be a factor, but I'm in the same boat that it's never been an immediate "This game is running like s*** for no reason, clearly the DRM is at fault".

User Info: Boge Boge 3 years ago #6 cody4783 posted...

Well I mean, HOW would you prove it was causing issues without either pirating the game and running a comparison, or waiting until Denuvo was patched out and testing then? I won't deny that it could be a factor, but I'm in the same boat that it's never been an immediate "This game is running like s*** for no reason, clearly the DRM is at fault".



I believe this was exactly what happened with that Rime game. Regardless, what positives does it bring to the consumer? Hey, how come my two cents is only worth like a half a cent? I believe this was exactly what happened with that Rime game. Regardless, what positives does it bring to the consumer?

User Info: Shah138 Shah138 3 years ago #7 Boge posted...

I believe this was exactly what happened with that Rime game. Regardless, what positives does it bring to the consumer?

At best if it prevents someone from pirating the game and forces them to buy it then that's more money which could go to the developer for further support or a sequel. The hole in this however is that there's no guarantee those people would buy the game in the first place Spectre of Dark Aether At best if it prevents someone from pirating the game and forces them to buy it then that's more money which could go to the developer for further support or a sequel. The hole in this however is that there's no guarantee those people would buy the game in the first place

User Info: Terantatek Terantatek (Topic Creator) 3 years ago #8



Ya know I don't steal physical copies, but I'm happy knowing the tag detector is there to throw thief's in jail. Even though it doesn't affect me. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hj9yPs

i7 7700k @ 4.6ghz | MSI GTX Gaming X 1070 | Ripjaws 16GB 3000mhz | Noctua NH-D15 | Asus Prime Z270-A Well idk. We get to feel superior. Playing games that those who need to pirate games cant? I mean there's definitely no downside for the average gamer.Ya know I don't steal physical copies, but I'm happy knowing the tag detector is there to throw thief's in jail. Even though it doesn't affect me.

User Info: DaedalusEx DaedalusEx 3 years ago #9 Boge posted...

It offers nothing to the legitimate buyer.



Exactly. There's no reason for the consumer to defend it.



The people defending it are corporate apologists or self-righteous pricks that can't stand the thought of someone playing a game without paying for it. Exactly. There's no reason for the consumer to defend it.The people defending it are corporate apologists or self-righteous pricks that can't stand the thought of someone playing a game without paying for it.