Both of these were orders, one for my best friend and one to trade for a custom quiver and a couple sets of arrows (about time, I'm down to three).The first is 75" ttt and pulls around 40#@32" and was an absolute butt to tiller without a mirror or tillering tree. Leapardwood overlays on foot long slightly bendy levers make for a real rocket launcherThe second is 62"ntn and pulls around 50#@29". Normally I'd look at those numbers, what with the stiff handle, and say no way but I wanted to impress this guy. She's one of my best, shooting well over her weight at full draw and not doing half bad at my own short 26". Very positive tiller and low set handle look a little funky but she's smooth as butter.So with the 8" handle subtracted from the 62" this thing has 54" of limb counting the extra-ring-reflex levers, and pulls to 29". With the recent thread on draw/bow length in mind, wherein I said I usually don't draw past half the bows length, this thing has a working wood/draw length ratio of .557 and still retains 1" of reflex completely relaxed, .25" just unstrung, and no chrysals after shooting in.I'm pretty happy, but you have to ask why I didn't just make the first bow 68"ntn instead is wrestling all that length into shape