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Outland pandora Premium Member This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers This sounds more believable to me than prior numbers. josiahlo

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Saint Louis, MO josiahlo Member Re: This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers What's curious to me is South Korea's numbers actually dropped. Every other country increased (while the US was the 2nd largest Y/Y)



South Korean's happy with their speed/price choices to the point where they are taking slower speeds?

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers Their earlier numbers were skewed but less people on the premium connections.

now that the sample includes larger number spread over all types of connections and many people sharing the high end, there by making the "Average" closer to "typical" expect continued easing of their numbers as they have passed the peak point of individual speed INCREASES. your moderator at work hidden :

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said by josiahlo: What's curious to me is South Korea's numbers actually dropped. Every other country increased (while the US was the 2nd largest Y/Y)



South Korean's happy with their speed/price choices to the point where they are taking slower speeds?

It's because people over there are replacing their home connections with wireless 4G. The same thing happened in Japan years ago with 3G. Obviously this is only made possible by a competitive wireless market where caps are infrequent. dra6o0n

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Looks like they included users of Google Fiber and their 1Gbps connection in it.



Since you have 1000Mbps per person and a few thousands of them, you mix them into a average internet speed with people going from 56kbps to 50Mbps and of course you'll get something like 7mbps average.



Without the heavy internet packages, you would see like a 5mps or a 3mbps.

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Fitchburg, MA PaulHikeS2 Member Re: This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers Ummm...it's an average. They add up the heavy internet packages and the "light" internet packages and come up with an...wait for it...average!



And your numbers are way skewed. Assumming 50,000,000 users (which is possibly a bit small) averaging 7 Mbps, if 10,000 of those users went up to 1000 Mbps, the average would move to 7.2 Mbps.



I do agree that if heavy internet packages are removed, the average speeds would be slower. In the same vein, if the Maple Leafs only played Junior A teams, they would have more championships. I suppose you could make the argument that if the light internet packages were removed, the average would be 40 Mbps. Not sure what that would accomplish. sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers said by PaulHikeS2: Ummm...it's an average. They add up the heavy internet packages and the "light" internet packages and come up with an...wait for it...average!



And your numbers are way skewed. Assumming 50,000,000 users (which is possibly a bit small) averaging 7 Mbps, if 10,000 of those users went up to 1000 Mbps, the average would move to 7.2 Mbps.



I do agree that if heavy internet packages are removed, the average speeds would be slower. In the same vein, if the Maple Leafs only played Junior A teams, they would have more championships. I suppose you could make the argument that if the light internet packages were removed, the average would be 40 Mbps. Not sure what that would accomplish.

In contrast to your hockey example, the digital divide exists among US citizens who "play" in the same "division".

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Fitchburg, MA 1 recommendation PaulHikeS2 Member Re: This sounds a bit more realistic than other numbers It wasn't the best analogy....the guy was from Ontario and I was straining for a local reference, though.

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said by dra6o0n: Looks like they included users of Google Fiber and their 1Gbps connection in it.



Since you have 1000Mbps per person and a few thousands of them, you mix them into a average internet speed with people going from 56kbps to 50Mbps and of course you'll get something like 7mbps average.



Without the heavy internet packages, you would see like a 5mps or a 3mbps.

The major US cable providers have increased their standard tiers quite a bit. It's 15mbps now on Time Warner Cable, for example. Cox and Comcast are at 25mbps, and I think Charter "simplified" and went all the way to 30. This would have a larger statistical impact than Google's 1 market.

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Sterling Heights, MI baineschile Premium Member One Big Company Wonder what it will look like next year with Comcast doubling all the speed tiers this year; along with more Google deployments.



Hopefully, Time Warner will get on board soon.

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Saint Louis, MO tiger72 Premium Member Re: One Big Company

»charter.com/top/internet Charter doesn't even offer service slower than 30mbps anymore (not publicly, at least), which should help in pushing that average number up a bit. AndyDufresne

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Dsl providers in general the drag on that metric. Windstream, Fairpoint, Qwest to name a few. Cable is actually helping when it come to measuring avg. speed. Numbers should only get better as dsl users keep on jumping to cable for extra speed. pandora

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Outland pandora Premium Member Re: One Big Company My cell phone is considerably faster as a WiFi access point than the AT&T DSL provided locally. Currently AT&T delivers only 1.5Mb down and 384Kb up to my street. It's been this speed for about 15 years.



Why AT&T had no interest in upgrading service is beyond me, but cable seems to always be upgrading service at no additional cost.

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said by AndyDufresne: Dsl providers in general the drag on that metric. Windstream, Fairpoint, Qwest to name a few. Cable is actually helping when it come to measuring avg. speed. Numbers should only get better as dsl users keep on jumping to cable for extra speed.

Comcast is averaging over 20mbps at the low end of their std offerings. Cable offsets the abysmal Verizon & AT&T dsl offerings.

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Seattle, WA toby Member Re: One Big Company said by FFH5: said by AndyDufresne: Dsl providers in general the drag on that metric. Windstream, Fairpoint, Qwest to name a few. Cable is actually helping when it come to measuring avg. speed. Numbers should only get better as dsl users keep on jumping to cable for extra speed.



Comcast is averaging over 20mbps at the low end of their std offerings. Cable offsets the abysmal Verizon & AT&T dsl offerings.

Totally different. Comcast cherry picks their service area more than the phone companies.Totally different.

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Snohomish, WA 1 recommendation tshirt Premium Member Re: One Big Company said by toby: Comcast cherry picks their service area more than the phone companies.

Totally different.





ComCast reaches/provides cable services to one third of US homes (limited by law, they did offer to buy more areas from defunct/dying cable co's) and has 6Mbit plus to virtually every one with 105Mbit plus already or soon available to the 99% of them.

How is that cherry picking more? Say what?!? phone companies reach virtually all US homes and businesses but provide high speed connections (4Mbit plus) to less than a third.ComCast reaches/provides cable services to one third of US homes (limited by law, they did offer to buy more areas from defunct/dying cable co's) and has 6Mbit plus to virtually every one with 105Mbit plus already or soon available to the 99% of them.How is that cherry picking more?

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said by toby: said by FFH5: said by AndyDufresne: Dsl providers in general the drag on that metric. Windstream, Fairpoint, Qwest to name a few. Cable is actually helping when it come to measuring avg. speed. Numbers should only get better as dsl users keep on jumping to cable for extra speed.



Comcast is averaging over 20mbps at the low end of their std offerings. Cable offsets the abysmal Verizon & AT&T dsl offerings.

Totally different.

Comcast cherry picks their service area more than the phone companies.Totally different. Wow...like them or not, this has to be the most inaccurate post I have seen in a long time. sonicmerlin

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said by AndyDufresne: Dsl providers in general the drag on that metric. Windstream, Fairpoint, Qwest to name a few. Cable is actually helping when it come to measuring avg. speed. Numbers should only get better as dsl users keep on jumping to cable for extra speed.

And them we end up with a cable monopoly, and local loop unbundling has never been accomplished with cable anywhere in the world. Who knows if it's even technically feasible.

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: One Big Company Multiple companies each with their own headend CMTS on a single cable is not feasible, but multiple companies could act as virtual ISP's forwarding traffic through a cable provider and paying a per bit transport fee to the cable operator.

pretty sure having multiple reseller/repackagers wouldn't really provide any price benefit, as you are really just adding another layer of open hands. coma9

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United State coma9 Member Huh This says that most of us are 7.4Mbps, but Netflix insists that we're all 3Mbps or less. Weird.

baineschile

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Sterling Heights, MI 1 recommendation baineschile Premium Member Re: Huh Netflix only tries to shame companies to further their own adgenda. I wouln't trust one word they say. Kamus

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El Paso, TX Kamus Member Re: Huh said by baineschile: Netflix only tries to shame companies to further their own adgenda. I wouln't trust one word they say.

Nevermind the fact that Netflix uses 3mbps streams right?

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Sterling, VA jmn1207 Premium Member Re: speed I'd also like to know what percentage of a person's income is spent on this service, including any taxes, fees, and government involvement that might be included. Some of these networks are supported by the government, but I'm sure the actual cost per person is much higher than with privately owned systems.

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p.s.: Joe Green and I have an average of 2 super bowl rings each. Of course numbers like this are totally worthless without knowing the skew. Unless, of course, we could guarantee a standard normal distribution.p.s.: Joe Green and I have an average of 2 super bowl rings each. axus

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Washington, DC axus Member What's the median internet speed? The median seems like a better description of what the "average person" has. Still, the number of people with >4Mbps is pretty good now. BravoGolf

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Gary, IN BravoGolf Member Re: What's the median internet speed? Most people do not know what median means. Let's put it this way. How many 1.5 connections will one 1 gig connection bring up so the "average" is 7.4 megs. The median is the 1.5 for almost everyone but the one person with the one gig brings the "average" up to 7.4 megs. Using averages this way distorts the truth. drjunky9

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Taneytown, MD drjunky9 Member Re: What's the median internet speed? I agree, the average here just distorts the figures. A quick rough math check and one Google fiber connection at 1Gbps offsets 168 1.5Mbps DSL connections to average out to about 7.4. A handful of cities with super high speeds can offset a huge number of slower rural or un-upgraded DSL connections. silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member Re: What's the median internet speed? It is a problem that other countries face too however. Look at South Korea. They are #1 for a reason. sonicmerlin

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Cleveland, OH sonicmerlin Member Re: What's the median internet speed? said by silbaco: It is a problem that other countries face too however. Look at South Korea. They are #1 for a reason.

SK's government plans to connect pretty much everyone in their country to fiber. prairiesky

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mean and median are both averages..... silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member Re: What's the median internet speed? Mean, yes. Median, no. prairiesky

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canada prairiesky Member Re: What's the median internet speed? said by silbaco: Mean, yes. Median, yes!





what's generally understood when someone says average is that they're implying the mean. but statistically speaking, mean, median and mode are all "averages" still don't buy it? lookup average on wiki fixedwhat's generally understood when someone says average is that they're implying the mean. but statistically speaking, mean, median and mode are all "averages" still don't buy it? lookup average on wiki

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Biddeford, ME buzz_4_20 Member Average Yes, but good no I still have friends that have dialup. No cable, too far for DSL, Cell signal can barely support calls, and they are not line of site of the local WISP.



A handful of 56k speed tests kicks the google fiber tests right in the pants.

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Kansas City, MO JasonBourne Member Speed per area I wonder where the US would place if there was a statistic for average speed for distance from Point of Presence/Central Office or average speed per geographic area of country.

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00000 battleop Member Quarterly Bullshit report.... As usual this can only account for what people CHOOSE to subscribe to not what they CAN subscribe to. How would the US rank if every single user was subscribed to the fastest tier available at their location?

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SoCal DocDrew Premium Member I'm wondering not how FAST, but how MANY... I'm wondering how the US compares with other countries in broadband users.... how many do we actually have vs. others?

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Marysville, WA SirChaos Member Who cares about speed.... If your capped? silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member Re: Who cares about speed.... A very true problem. The average Exede satellite connection tops 14mbps, nearly twice as fast as the national average, thanks to their newest satellite. Their caps top out at 25GB per month.

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2. The U.S. is ahead of the vast majority of Europe. josephf josephf Member Re: U.S. Compared to Large Countries Verdict:



U.S. is doing pretty damn good.

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Outlaw DSL and we would be rocking And outlaw budget plans while we are at it since the only thing important seems to be the average speed of what people are choosing to buy and that penetration and consumer preferences seem to be largely irrelevant. silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member Internet Speed I am glad I am no longer one of the people holding back the average. My speed increased from 1 Mbps on average to 42 Mbps consistently this year.

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IowaCowboy Premium Member Urban vs rural This is the average connection speed for the USA. Connections tend to be faster in urban areas and slower in rural areas. Many rural areas are still using 56k dial up or satellite where urban areas have speeds over 100 Mbps down and 10 Mbps up.



I live in an urban area and I have the option of 105/20 available to me but I've seen extreme 305 as an option in Comcast literature (local rate sheet).



If cable TV is available to your residence, then you can get Internet as it uses the same lines. BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member A lot of other factors Part of this may be showing that people have crappy Wifi. Comcast's basic plan is 20mbps now, and they pass just over half of the nation's households. Add in the others, and there's a lot of bandwidth out there... if it's properly utilized.

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Greenville, SC GvilleDSL Member Upstream should be a factor... There are 2 parts of an internet connection speed wise and they are leaving out half of it. No upstream comparison? Im sorry there is a large growing number of people demanding more upstream to support user content. Give us symmetrical tiers already....where are the bonded upstream channels?

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Saratoga, NY chlen Premium Member Re: Upstream should be a factor... said by GvilleDSL: There are 2 parts of an internet connection speed wise and they are leaving out half of it. No upstream comparison? Im sorry there is a large growing number of people demanding more upstream to support user content. Give us symmetrical tiers already....where are the bonded upstream channels?





Where I sit not I have a corporate OC-768 level line, that is utilized by a half dozen people, with the exception of uploading photos, my connection is not much better that my 25/2 RR at home. I max out every server. The only time speed is really useful is for torrents. At home with 25 down a BR rip takes 5-10 minutes, at work 2, not too much of a difference IMO for the price. There is that and also in many places like for example I know for sure in Israel, Latvia, and Russia, people rarely pick the highest bandwidth because your 50/50 connections will be the same as 10/5 when connecting to most of the world servers. Since so little traffic is located in those actual countries people pick the best connections to the US/Japan/China rather then sometimes the fastest. If an ISP has a good reputation of being liberal and reliable to foreign hosts, it is much better than one that is just fast.Where I sit not I have a corporate OC-768 level line, that is utilized by a half dozen people, with the exception of uploading photos, my connection is not much better that my 25/2 RR at home. I max out every server. The only time speed is really useful is for torrents. At home with 25 down a BR rip takes 5-10 minutes, at work 2, not too much of a difference IMO for the price. steven s

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Dearborn, MI steven s Premium Member Density is probably a factor Interestingly enough, all of the countries that are faster than the US are significantly more dense than the US except Latvia, and all of those countries are much smaller than the US in terms of area. This obviously makes deploying broadband infrastructure much more cost effective. When you consider that, I think 8th place is pretty reasonable, although we obviously need to consistently approve in order to not fall behind. your comment..

