Ian McMillan heads to Forfar and Dundee to learn about Bridie and Scotch pies, with fellow poet Bill Herbert. From 2004.

On the Scottish leg of his pie odyssey, poet Ian McMillan heads to Forfar and Dundee to learn about Bridie and Scotch pies.

He’s joined by Bill Herbert, a poet, pie-eater and football fan, who shares a “pie-ku” or two, as Ian learns the correct way to eat a bridie, and discovers the delights of macaroni cheese in a pie.

Producer: Julian May

First broadcast on BBC Radio 4 in December 2004.