Well now this is the start of what could be an unfortunate trend.

What at first seemed like an odd one-off instance has claimed another victim. Earlier this summer we learned Forza Motorsport 7 wouldn’t feature production Toyota cars. Now, a Ghost Games employee has confirmed on Reddit that Need for Speed Payback will be in the same boat when it launches in November. The full statement is below:

“We know the subject of Toyota is on a lot of minds over the last few weeks. As many of you here suspect, there will be no Toyota cars in Need for Speed Payback. While we’re as disappointed as you are, we do hope that we’ll once again see Toyota back in Need for Speed in the future.”

For reference, 2015’s Need for Speed featured three cars from the Japanese company. The AE86 Sprinter Trueno and fourth-gen Supra are both some of the most iconic vehicles in the company’s history. The third model was the GT86: at least it can live on in a way, as the Subaru BRZ. Thankfully, gamers have already spotted that car in gameplay footage. The others have no true replacements.

In both FM7‘s and NFSP‘s cases, there’s been no clear reason as to why Toyota’s road cars will be absent. The official statements from Turn 10 and Ghost Games read the same, and when we asked Toyota about it, we were told to ask Microsoft.

Need for Speed Payback launches — sans Toyota — November 10.

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