The Killers’ Brandon Flowers and Ronnie Vannucci are the latest guests to go on “Song Exploder,” the podcast dedicated to having musicians dissect their own music and explain the creative process. During his episode, the band members discuss the song “Rut,” taken from the band’s most recent album Wonderful Wonderful. They talk about figuring out the rhythm of the song, how Flowers’ wife’s childhood trauma influenced the songwriting, and more. Check out the full episode below.

Recent “Song Exploder” guests also include Lorde, St. Vincent, Grizzly Bear, and Phoenix.