Former Vice President and current presidential candidate Joe Biden sat down with Chris Cuomo at CNN over the holiday to talk about his campaign, debate performance and all things Trump. Biden admitted his debate performance wasn’t the best, blaming the time limits and crowded stage.

Cuomo went on to press Biden about the future of campaign trail and the consequences of another four years with Trump at the helm.

CUOMO: “There are domestic agenda items I want to take you through. You have made a big point of saying the threat here with the current administration is abroad. What exactly bothers you abroad?”

BIDEN: “What bothers me abroad is, look, the idea that we can go it along who no alliances for the next 20 or 30 years is a disaster. How are we going to deal with stateless terrorism without doing what I’ve been able to do with the president, put together a coalition of 50, 60 nations to take it on? I came out of a generation where we were trying to be the policemen of the world. We can’t go every place. We need allies. He is absolutely dissing them. He’s embracing thugs, he’s embracing Kim Jong-Un who’s a thug. He’s embracing Putin who is a flat dictator. He’s embracing people who, in fact — and he’s stiff-arming our friends. He’s threatening NATO, to pull out of NATO. Come on.”

CUOMO: “He says he’s gotten NATO to give in more money for defense because of his tactics.”

BIDEN: “Give me a break. Come on, man. By the way, the idea that NATO — let me put it this way, if he wins re-election, I promise you there will be no NATO in four years or five years.”

CUOMO: “You think there will be no more NATO if he’s re-elected?

BIDEN: “No more NATO. Look, I went to a conference and the first speaker stood up, the chancellor, the former chancellor of Germany stands up and she says, ‘We have to go it alone. We can’t count on the United States.’ Why did we set up NATO, Chris? So no one nation could abuse the power in the region in Europe, that would suck us in in the way they did in World War I and World War II. It’s being crushed. Look at what’s happening with Putin. While Putin is trying to undo our elections, he is undoing elections in Europe. Look at what’s happening in Hungary, look what’s happening in Poland, look what’s happening. You think that would happen on my watch or Barack’s watch? You can’t answer that, but I promise it wouldn’t have, and it didn’t.”