Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers enters the 2017 season ranked eighth all-time in passing touchdowns (314), tenth in completions (3811) and twelfth in passing yardage (45,833). By the end of the year, his name will very likely be among the top 6-8 on each list. Additionally, Rivers currently ranks eighth in career passer-rating (94.7), tenth in completion percentage (64.4) and fourteenth in yards per attempt (7.7). He passed for 4386 yards and 33 TDs last season, so he remains plenty productive at age 35.

When all the numbers are in, Rivers might very well have 60,000 passing yards and nearly 400 touchdowns to his credit, which should give him a compelling Hall of Fame argument. But at no point in Rivers’ career has he been widely recognized as a top-three player at his position — not even in his best years, 2008-10, when he averaged a ridiculous 8.6 Y/A. He’s earned six Pro Bowl nods and occasional Offensive Player of the Week recognition, but the big awards have eluded him. He led his team to just one conference championship game, losing 21-12 to Tom Brady in Foxborough, failing to throw a touchdown pass.

Of course none of these details are relevant to Rivers as a fantasy asset in 2017, but he happens to be an interesting figure in the game’s history. For you, maybe he’s an inner circle member of the Hall of Not Quite. For others, he’s unquestionably one of the best 15-or-so passers the NFL has ever seen, clearly Canton-worthy. It’s a discussion.

One thing we can say with certainty about Rivers is that he’s been an under-appreciated and routinely under-drafted fantasy commodity. The man hasn’t missed a game in 11 years. He’s averaged 4486 passing yards and 31 touchdowns per season since 2013. He threw multiple TD passes in each of his final nine games last year. Even now, with Rivers beyond his prime, you can win a fantasy title with this man as your every-week QB. He’s selected outside the top-100 picks in standard Yahoo drafts (ADP 109.8), later than players who’ve never produced at the level he reached last season. If you’re looking for a quarterback who can deliver top-eight numbers at a deep discount (and you should be), then Rivers is your guy.

There are flaws in Rivers’ fantasy game, to be sure. He’s led the league in interceptions in two of the past three seasons and he has the mobility of a fantasy expert, not an NFL athlete. But in fairness to Rivers, over the past three seasons it feels like he’s introduced to a new cast of receivers each week. His most trusted options have been only sporadically available.

And still Rivers keeps going, flinging the ball with that ugly-yet-effective sidearm delivery that no young quarterback should be allowed to watch. Rivers’ completion percentage dipped last season, but his deep ball attempts per game jumped from 3.7 to 4.9 and his air yards per attempt from 3.2 to 4.1. He has continuity in the coaching staff, with Ken Whisenhunt back as OC, and his receiving corps is uncharacteristically healthy at the moment. If you can land him outside the top-10 quarterbacks in your draft, it’s a steal.

So … Keenan Allen. Can he be trusted?

Look it’s the NFL. No player can be fully trusted. Everyone is at risk. Allen has obviously been dinged more than most, having appeared in just nine games over the past two seasons. In 2015 it was a lacerated kidney, which, while gross, was not necessarily an injury with career-altering potential. But in 2016, Allen suffered an ACL tear in the first half of the season opener; it’s reasonable to worry about his return to full health on a 12-month timeline. Not every athlete bounces back from ACL repair like Adrian Peterson.

That said, all the reports on Allen’s recovery have been generally positive, with no less an authority than Rivers declaring, “He looks as good as he did before he got hurt.” So that’s encouraging. If we take Allen’s per-game production over the past two years and extend it over 16 weeks, we get this insane line: 171 targets, 130 receptions, 1401 yards, seven TDs. Allen has been the preferred target for Rivers since entering the league, and he’s somehow still just 25 years old. It should go without saying that Allen presents us with elevated injury risk, but his statistical ceiling is also unusually high. Early drafters have done a fair job pricing his range of potential outcomes, selecting him as the No. 23 receiver off the board (ADP 52.7). The Yahoo crew ranks him as high as WR10 (Loza) and as low as WR26 (Pianowski, Del Don). If everything goes right for Allen (which rarely happens for anyone), a top-10 positional finish is definitely in play.