itmeJP Profile Joined February 2010 United States 1101 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 21:39:26 #1



I’ve seen a ton of threads all over TL.net and I just wanted to have one cohesive, final thread so that myself and other MLG staff could skim through it and find all the criticism, suggestions, and comments in one place.



Just in case you’ve missed the other threads over the weekend...



OP on TL.net

Caster Thread

Day 1 Thread

Day 2 Thread

MLG Raleigh Live Blog

Thread

Tournament Criticism Final Standings Thread

One thing I want to ask of you is to remain from outright complaining. We want to bring you guys the best possible tournament and coverage of the tournament and the only way we can do that is with constructive criticism from the community.



If you were at the event, tell us how to improve the live spectator experience. If you watched at home all weekend, tell us what you would like to see on the stream. If you were a player, tell us what we can do to improve your experience over the weekend. If you attended the event as press, tell us how we can make things easier on you. We’ll try our best to listen and improve the entire experience as much as possible before the next event.



And of course what would this thread be without a plug to the best podcast in SC2 --



Thanks again to everyone who tuned in over the course of the weekend. Big shoutout to Singlecoil and the entire crew who produced the stream all weekend long. You may never see their faces, but please make sure to give credit where credit is due Hey guys, JP here from MLG. First off thank all of you who tuned in over the weekend for our first ever SC2 event at MLG Raleigh. We tried to give you guys as much love as possible out there but really we can’t thank you enough. This was the first event of many to come here at MLG for SC2 and we cannot wait to stream it all over again in the future.I’ve seen a ton of threads all over TL.net and I just wanted to have one cohesive, final thread so that myself and other MLG staff could skim through it and find all the criticism, suggestions, and comments in one place.Just in case you’ve missed the other threads over the weekend...One thing I want to ask of you is to remain from outright complaining. We want to bring you guys the best possible tournament and coverage of the tournament and the only way we can do that is with constructive criticism from the community.If you were at the event, tell us how to improve the live spectator experience. If you watched at home all weekend, tell us what you would like to see on the stream. If you were a player, tell us what we can do to improve your experience over the weekend. If you attended the event as press, tell us how we can make things easier on you. We’ll try our best to listen and improve the entire experience as much as possible before the next event.And of course what would this thread be without a plug to the best podcast in SC2 -- State of the Game We’ll be recording a brand new episode later this week discussing the entire tournament and FINALLY some new patch notes, so make sure to check us out. Myself, Day9, and possibly HD and Husky will make an appearance.Thanks again to everyone who tuned in over the course of the weekend. Big shoutout to Singlecoil and the entire crew who produced the stream all weekend long. You may never see their faces, but please make sure to give credit where credit is due Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP

DarkspearTribe Profile Joined August 2010 568 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:07:43 #2 I wanted more of:



* Players

* Crowd

* Interviews



Also map preview thing... Maybe do it before tournament rather than at finals?



Other than that - I was pleased with tournament and I'm in Europe

Joseki Profile Blog Joined December 2007 United States 187 Posts #3 Needed some sort of booth for the feature match so we could actually listen to the commentary. None of the spectators seemed particularly pleased about that for sure.



Everything seemed to go fine, was a nice event and good to meet your JP! Battle.net 2.0 - The only place you can be alone with 20,000 other people.

crappen Profile Joined April 2010 Norway 1522 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:11:28 #4 More interviews and better crowd.



Like how you rotated between commentators, too much day9 can get dull (no offense ofcourse). Would love to see incontrol and chill, or many of the other great fun casters.



EDIT: Husky and HD did great (dont care if they say wrong things, they bring something enthusiastic)

Whalecore Profile Joined March 2009 Norway 1106 Posts #5 Awesome event and awesome casting!



What I think could improve:

- Better summary between matches. Show brackets, explain who played who, who got beaten and how/when. When you're streaming online, a lot of people will join the the feed mid-cast, and it can be a bit confusing to see who's progressing and what not. All in all a great show and well done casters and crew! Playgu

dson Profile Joined April 2010 Switzerland 7 Posts #6 I loved the map preview.

Otherwise PvP is boring, but nothing you could change.

The quality of the stream was great, something ESL could learn from...



I would like to have seen more from the players, but apart from that, I really liked it!

mortar Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Sweden 82 Posts #7 I felt the HD stream wasn't really worth it. Quality wasn't as good as I hoped for.



(I'm aware of the preview.) The dreams of youth are the regrets of maturity

Diks Profile Joined January 2010 Belgium 1796 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:24:32 #8 This event was Awesome ,JP, you did a great work.



I"d like to see a stable casting team (like you and Day9) and a stable interviewing team (maybe HD ans Husky but I think they'll be sad to only do this...)



The sponsors advertisement where rolling like 2 or 3 times in a row. I'd like more diversity on this side.



I'd like to see more crowd and close camera to players keyboard and mouse to see them in action, that'd be awesome.



One last sthing : when i watch the stream in full screen, My left and right side where cut, i could see only half of the minimap.

Grumbels Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Netherlands 6994 Posts #9 I couldn't access the stream on the second day, not sure why that was. In any case, I haven't watched too much, but what I would like to see is more structure. Sometimes on the first day it seemed like randomly casting whatever game was available, when it would have made more sense to follow a few anticipated matches (Machine vs InControl).

What I think would be fun as well if there was something like the state of the game, but at MLG, like a late evening talkshow where you have the casters and a few players discuss the tournament, maybe show some footage and interviews. Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.

BigBadSkathe Profile Joined September 2009 United States 234 Posts #10 My biggest complaint is an issue that plagues other tournaments/events as well. There needs to be clearly defined caster roles. In pro sports during broadcasts there is always one clearly defined play-by-play commentator and one clearly defined color commentator, there is no overlap. It seems with all E-Sports the commentators both seem to want to do both, and it ends up with both of them trying to talk over each other, or worse, contradicting what the other person just said (accidentally or on purpose).



Hey.

bmml Profile Joined December 2009 United Kingdom 958 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:48:30 #11 On August 29 2010 22:13 mortar wrote:

I felt the HD stream wasn't really worth it. Quality wasn't as good as I hoped for.



(I'm aware of the preview.)





Cannot help but agree. 10 dollars for MLG for a weekend vs 5 dollars for ESL TV for a month, ingame quality was about the same just one was 16;9, I guess that'll teach me for buying it when the site was going insane on the first day. Also a LOT of false advertising calling it "HD", its 480p I'm fairly sure that doesn't count.



Also if you insist on making Husky cast (Chill/Incontrol and numerous others would have done a MUCH better job) you can at least make sure he isnt 3x as loud as anyone else, had to turn it off because his voice was so loud / abrasive even when nothing "exciting" was happening for all the whine about apollo in the IEM he did an amazing job in comparison.



Also I know you cant really fix this but surely it isnt THAT hard to get gaming based sponsors. I mean jerky and those rancid hot pockets, christ seriously the ads made me wanna puke everytime they came on esspecially the hotpockets - god just because people play games doesn't mean they all eat such heinous food.



Oh and the map previews you started doing made me motion sick, no need for all the zooming and whizzing about - it doesnt make it more interesting it just makes it more confusing / annoying.



Double elimination is also a pretty poor format for an RTS, it just doesnt flow well enough and without constant updates you easily get lost in the torrent of games being thrown at you. Cannot help but agree. 10 dollars for MLG for a weekend vs 5 dollars for ESL TV for a month, ingame quality was about the same just one was 16;9, I guess that'll teach me for buying it when the site was going insane on the first day. Also a LOT of false advertising calling it "HD", its 480p I'm fairly sure that doesn't count.Also if you insist on making Husky cast (Chill/Incontrol and numerous others would have done a MUCH better job) you can at least make sure he isnt 3x as loud as anyone else, had to turn it off because his voice was so loud / abrasive even when nothing "exciting" was happening for all the whine about apollo in the IEM he did an amazing job in comparison.Also I know you cant really fix this but surely it isnt THAT hard to get gaming based sponsors. I mean jerky and those rancid hot pockets, christ seriously the ads made me wanna puke everytime they came on esspecially the hotpockets - god just because people play games doesn't mean they all eat such heinous food.Oh and the map previews you started doing made me motion sick, no need for all the zooming and whizzing about - it doesnt make it more interesting it just makes it more confusing / annoying.Double elimination is also a pretty poor format for an RTS, it just doesnt flow well enough and without constant updates you easily get lost in the torrent of games being thrown at you.

endriod Profile Joined August 2010 3 Posts #12 On August 29 2010 22:11 Whalecore wrote:

Awesome event and awesome casting!



What I think could improve:

- Better summary between matches. Show brackets, explain who played who, who got beaten and how/when. When you're streaming online, a lot of people will join the the feed mid-cast, and it can be a bit confusing to see who's progressing and what not. All in all a great show and well done casters and crew!



Exactly what I thought. I don't care much about interviews. A few here or there are good. But definitely find a way to show the brackets when you're talking about them. The map preview was pretty cool, I guess. Reminded me of American Gladiators when the chick explains the set up before the match lol. Overall, great casting! I enjoyed it. Exactly what I thought. I don't care much about interviews. A few here or there are good. But definitely find a way to show the brackets when you're talking about them. The map preview was pretty cool, I guess. Reminded me of American Gladiators when the chick explains the set up before the match lol. Overall, great casting! I enjoyed it.

s.a.y Profile Blog Joined October 2007 Croatia 3761 Posts #13 I was planning to blog it, but here it goes



1. Make an overlay with the results. It was so confusing to know who is gonna play who, as we had to search on irc, gotfrag (who got the matches wrong), liquipedia (i feel sorry for who every edited that thread).

2. Know your players. Print out liquipedia player pages to see what each player has won and what he loves to do. Little tidbits like the ones for the WoW player (nadagast?) were really good, but you can't get away with the statement that SeleCT has no LAN exp.

3. Stream quality was great and it never failed for me. Some people (tofucake) were complaining that it doesn't work in Opera and other browsers (that are not firefox)

4. The downtime was really boring sometimes (i was watching the stream for some 6h), and you could have filled it with some player interviews, replays and such (JP did a solid job with the "ask the caster a question thread")

5. make HD learn the game a little better. He made some rookie mistakes, it's great for noob players to learn basic stuff, but it's terrible if he casts wrong information

6. Buy Husky a suit.

7. Overall, it was a good event. I am not good with quotes

qoiN Profile Joined March 2010 Sweden 503 Posts #14 Maybe you should add a poll or so before ro64 starts so people can vote what games they want to see. Nony raping a noob isn't really interesting, machine vs inc would be far better.



Also it would be great if you could fix the full-screen mode of the stream so it automatically fits depending on which ratio you use 4:3/16:10 etc, couldn't watch it in full-screen since the whole mini-map was cut off pretty much :[

Senx Profile Blog Joined March 2008 Sweden 5024 Posts #15 My only complaint is that there was no real coverage of the event besides the commentary, like more indepth interviews and videos of the playarea/players/ behind the scenes etc.



It was hard to get a feeling of the atmosphere at the event. "trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4

PeT[uK] Profile Joined November 2009 United States 411 Posts #16 On August 29 2010 22:16 Diks wrote:

This event was Awesome ,JP, you did a great work.



I"d like to see a stable casting team (like you and Day9) and a stable interviewing team (maybe HD ans Husky but I think they'll be sad to only do this...)



The sponsors advertisement where rolling like 2 or 3 times in a row. I'd like more diversity on this side.



I'd like to see more crowd and close camera to players keyboard and mouse to see them in action, that'd be awesome.



One last sthing : when i watch the stream in full screen, My left and right side where cut, i could see only half of the minimap.



yes! this ^ (the last part bout the minimap. I mean you have to have your starcraft as large as possible when watching things like this. I shoulda watched it on my TV now that i think about it. yes! this ^ (the last part bout the minimap. I mean you have to have your starcraft as large as possible when watching things like this. I shoulda watched it on my TV now that i think about it. How Happy Are the Blameless Vestals Lot.

Odoakar Profile Joined May 2010 Croatia 1822 Posts #17



I had problems with full screen cutting of part of the stream, the left and right parts of the videos weren't showing. Maybe add some chairs to the venue so we don't see gamers laying around on floor.



Also maybe show updated brackets after some of the matches, I honestly didn't have any ideas who will play who, and who went into loser bracket and who moved back to winners and such.



Commentary was good. Commercials were goodI had problems with full screen cutting of part of the stream, the left and right parts of the videos weren't showing. Maybe add some chairs to the venue so we don't see gamers laying around on floor.Also maybe show updated brackets after some of the matches, I honestly didn't have any ideas who will play who, and who went into loser bracket and who moved back to winners and such.Commentary was good.

Stabby.aus Profile Joined August 2010 Australia 93 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:36:12 #18 -The free stream was good quality and didn't lag even for an aussie with crappy internets but the left side of the screen was cut off by like an inch so I couldnt see the entire minimap



-post game player interviews could have been quite interesting



-is there going to be a replay package or even just of the finals?

kickinhead Profile Joined December 2008 Switzerland 2066 Posts #19 The Players weren't as good as in the IEM and there were too many boring MU's like PvP. Also, there were nearly no Zergs...



I liked the commentary, also the ones by HD and Husky and I didn't mind the more LAN-like rather than big Showmatch-Style approach... https://soundcloud.com/thesamplethief

SmoKim Profile Joined March 2010 Denmark 10002 Posts Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:37:20 #20



More games being watched, maybe even make sure to get the bracket up quick so you can see what matches early on would be sweet to watch



be sure that the stream is working good, alot had trouble with it, either for some it didn't work at all, for others the resolution was wierd(not being able to see mini map ect)



32 sign ups and 32 invites was a great idea, was exiting to see unkown players do good, and some of the well known not performing so good, but maybe balance the numbers of race players better(3 zerg and what 14(?) Terran was a bit meh)



but all in all i think MLG can be MORE than proud about this event, it was great, i loved day 2 timezone better(but then again im from europe), so im very pumped for next event



PS: how many was watching the stream? peak numbers and all around ect Casters should keep being as casual and fun, it was alot of fun between games, i prefer when the casters are enjoying themself, so keep doing thatMore games being watched, maybe even make sure to get the bracket up quick so you can see what matches early on would be sweet to watchbe sure that the stream is working good, alot had trouble with it, either for some it didn't work at all, for others the resolution was wierd(not being able to see mini map ect)32 sign ups and 32 invites was a great idea, was exiting to see unkown players do good, and some of the well known not performing so good, but maybe balance the numbers of race players better(3 zerg and what 14(?) Terran was a bit meh)but all in all i think MLG can be MORE than proud about this event, it was great, i loved day 2 timezone better(but then again im from europe), so im very pumped for next eventPS: how many was watching the stream? peak numbers and all around ect "LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon

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