control of government- and they are telling to Russian people, that they are living so bad, not because of corrupted government, but because of foreign enemy, Russian propaganda tried to deliver to Russian people idea that this foreign enemy which already destroyed former Soviet Union, destroyed Yugoslavia, organises separatist tension in Russian northern Caucasus, and next step this foreign enemy would like to destroy mother Russia itself, they fix the fingers at the United States and American friends and allies, first of all by NATO organisation. B: Here you are Stan Lunev, first of all was it a difficult decision to defect, or did you intent to defect as soon as you saw your opening and bang, the opening came in 1992. L: Barry, it was a difficult decision, it was very difficult decision, and of course it was not like, just like that. But because you know my biography, that w hen I was young, I been a st udent of the ? school of military political academy in Moscow and I, like other students of this academy, had the privilige to work in the archives of Soviet Communist Party and when I worked in these archives on my dissertation, I found out, that very well known leaders of international communism and socialism, they were actually insane, they were not normal people, I saw a lot of papers with hand written n otes, when Lenin, Stalin, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Trotzky they sacrifice millions of Russian people, for mystical ideologial, which could not be realised, ideas, and after this I didn‘t work for any kind of ideology, I worked for my country only, until I came to the United States, where I found for myself that Soviet propaganda lied to me, to other Soviet people about America, American way of live, American society, about everyt hing, so I changed my mind of course not in 1 day, in 2 days, but in some time my mind was dramatically changed. B: What are the 5 most important things, that you had to tell, not just the CIA but now the American people, about your experience, let‘s do this like a news room, w hich I‘m sure would please the CIA, if they had it laid out formed, the 5 most important messages that Stan Lunev, Russian spy, now on our side, brings to the American people. L: Barry, I would like little bit continue previous question and answer, because when I came to America, I remember this date, it was August 18, 1988, when I fly by Aeroflot flight f rom New Foundland to Washington D.C., and Soviet propaganda explained to me and to other Soviet people, that America as a leader of international imperialism, is living very different way of live than Soviet union... B: Was that your first taste of the west 1988? L: Yes, and they explained us, that in the United States only few people living very good life and other people living very bad and need to work very hard, to support these rich people to become more and more rich, and when I fly from New Foundland to Washington, I found that a lot of lights are coming from the ground and I asked my neighbor please put yourself on my place, american people living very bad, they need to work very hard, they need to save everything, so my question was, is it reflection lights from solar battery or something like this ones, and for my surprise my neighbor who fly here several times, he told me no, its not solar batteries, they are swimming pools. If you can see thousands of swimming pools only from one window of one airplane, so American people are not living so bad like Soviet propaganda told us, and it was some kind of eyeopener, that in the United States, really there is a limited number of very rich people, there is number of people who are living very bad, but between them there is huge middle class, who live in this country not bad, and I would like to say, that major treasure of America is this middle class, and this middle class needs to unterstand, that as a base of fortress for the western democracy, this class has to be as a developed as a very important and