Carl Benjamin, known online by his popular persona “Sargon of Akkad,” expressed his sympathies with the racist alt-right movement this week, including perpetuating alt-right propaganda that Heather Heyer was not killed by a car attack at the Unite the Right earlier this year, but instead suffered a heart attack due to poor health.

Benjamin joined Colin Robertson, known online as “Millennial Woes,” in the first installment of Robertson’s “Millenniyule 2017” interview series on Sunday, to discuss the future of the alt-right. As first pointed out by leftist twitter personality “Tom Bloke,” an early part of the discussion included Benjamin echoing white nationalist propaganda surrounding the murder of Heyer, a liberal counter-protester at the racist Unite the Right rally earlier this year in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“As I understand it, I thought Heather Hayes or Heyer or whatever her name was, I thought she died of a heart attack,” Benjamin said.

“Yes. It looks like what happened is that she was shocked by seeing the car crash happening and had a heart attack,” Robertson said.

Benjamin laughed and when Robertson remarked Heyer’s alleged heart attacked seemed “a bit dramatic,” Benjamin said, “It’s more that the alt-right being blamed for someone having a heart attack, someone in tremendously bad physical condition has a heart attack, and suddenly the alt-right has murdered someone.”

Bloke mocked Benjamin, who has often presented himself as a “classical liberal” or “rational skeptic” who despises the alt-right, and others like him for sourcing information from white supremacist propaganda farms and conspiracy hotbeds like 4chan and 8chan:

i’m a rational skeptic. get my info from all the good skeptic sources. armoured skeptic, sargon of akkad, infowars, dailystormer, anders breivik’s manifesto. all the good ones — Tom Bloke (@21logician) December 13, 2017

Later in the interview, Benjamin pushed another alt-right conspiracy theory that National Policy Institute white nationalist Richard Spencer was “controlled opposition,” meaning that he was a government agent embedded in the movement to give the alt-right a bad public image.

“The mainstream media could just have a policy of non-engagement and that would be more successful for kettling the alt-right than it would be promoting them. But I mean Richard Spencer is only a household name because of the media. Is Richard Spencer controlled opposition? I’m genuinely curious,” Benjamin asked Robertson.

As the interview began to wrap up, Benjamin gave parting advice to Robertson about successfully advancing the alt-right agenda because he believes that social justice advocates are “a fucking massive problem”

“You’ve got diversity in everything—everything,” Benjamin said.

“I know. I know, it’s terrible,” Robertson said.

“Yeah, it’s terrifying, isn’t it? But like [social justice warriors are] not just a loud fringe. They’re not. This what people have to—say ‘Oh, SJWs, they’re not a big problem’—no, they’re a fucking massive problem. I mean holy fuck, the reason thousands of young girls are getting raped is not because the police didn’t want to do something or couldn’t do something. It was because they were afraid of social justice warriors calling them racist,” Benjamin explained.

Benjamin later went on to conclude that “worst case scenario for the alt-right’s success in this endeavor,” referring to racial segregation, “is less intolerable to me and my family than the SJW success. So from a tactical evaluation, I have to choose this angle. I have to try and explain to the alt-right that they can get what they want and they should take this gambit, even if it means the end of liberal democracy.”

Both personalities criticized Right Wing Watch for including them in our report earlier this year that detailed how racist ideologies have found a home on YouTube.

The video above is a compilation of clips from the original broadcast.