Tyler, the Creator and Frank Ocean have worked together many times, most recently on “911 / Mr. Lonely,” from Tyler’s latest album Flower Boy. In a new interview with Zane Lowe, Tyler discusses their collaborative process and more. “We’ve never ever in our life planned a collaboration,” he explains. “I’m always in the studio just making shit and he’s like ‘where you at?’” Regarding Frank’s verse on “911 / Mr. Lonely,” Tyler says, “[Frank] was like, ‘Let me try something.’ He just started saying ‘chirp chirp chirp chirp’ about 400 fuckin’ times.” Listen to the full discussion below.

Elsewhere, Tyler talked about Channel Orange and Blonde, which he once called “[his] favorite thing from [Frank].” He told Lowe,

Blonde is so sick. I always tell him I like that shit way better than Channel Orange—and don’t like comparing! But, the looseness of structure and the chords and shit on Blonde speaks to me more than Channel Orange. But I think Channel Orange has a little bit more pop structures, which gets to people a little more.

Tyler recently announced cassette and vinyl editions of Flower Boy, both of which are on sale through tonight.