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Hero MemberActivity: 644Merit: 501Herp Derp PTY LTD Re: Mem presents: LIST OF NEWBIE FRIENDLY GAMBLING SITES April 10, 2012, 04:18:33 AM #10 added bitjack (confirmed)

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over 48h now and now and no response from betcoin.eu - it will be shifted to POSSIBLE SCAMS in another 48h.



I see there are a lot of ponzi and pyramid games running around, I feel they should not be part of a newbie list as by their nature they are scams - thoughts ? BITCOIN GAMBLING LIST

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*I'm biased* but "dream island lottery" is probably an unknown. They are missing many important points. How the winner is picked in a fair way for example. They also seem to say to just send BTC without any mention of ewallets or anything. I'm not quite sure what kind of criteria you are using. Your choices are possible scam or mathematically proven?For example http://betcoin.eu has been around a while. I imagine maybe the operator got bored and just let it run on it's own. Who knows, maybe he'll be back in this forum again (I think it's been a while since he signed on). But is it a possible scam? It's possible. Likely? Who knows. I guess that get's at my question about the criteria. I know exactly how to make a program that works exactly like http://betcoin.eu but can give fake payouts to me every so often. That doesn't make http://betcoin.eu a scam though. But proven? I think only a few games here can be demonstrated to be cheat proof. Bitcoin-Kamikaze.com, https://bitjack21.com/ , and mine are the few that I can think of off the top of my head that fit such category.*I'm biased* but "dream island lottery" is probably an unknown. They are missing many important points. How the winner is picked in a fair way for example. They also seem to say to just send BTC without any mention of ewallets or anything. BitLotto: monthly raffle (0.25 BTC per ticket) Completely transparent and impossible to manipulate who wins.

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Hero MemberActivity: 644Merit: 501Herp Derp PTY LTD Re: Mem presents: LIST OF NEWBIE FRIENDLY GAMBLING SITES April 10, 2012, 07:11:03 AM

Last edit: April 10, 2012, 07:45:41 AM by mem #13 Quote from: bitlotto on April 10, 2012, 05:38:05 AM I'm not quite sure what kind of criteria you are using. Your choices are possible scam or mathematically proven?

Criteria is listed below, if you have a better category title for "other" games than other atm Im open to suggestions.



Normal List:

* mathematically proven.

* PVP

* other (can be anything provided you do not have payout issues or disputes of cheating).



to be considered a possible scam:



* Payout issues - yes even one.

* Questions raised about randomness that have not been sufficiently disproved.



Even though unconfirmed, it would be a bad idea to direct newbies to these sites until we can confirm.



to be considered a scam:



* Multiple payout issues.

* Game proven to cheat.



You dont pay ?, f**k you.

Someone bets 5btc and does not get paid but another user gets paid on their 0.05 btc bet ? f**k you.



Id rather err on the side of caution when refering people instead of erring on the side of not hurting potential scam artists feelings.



if betcoin.eu is unattended and failing to pay out periodically due to lack of administration then it is a scam as far as the end user is concerned. Certainly not by malicious intent, but a scam none the less and end users should be warned. Criteria is listed below, if you have a better category title for "other" games than other atm Im open to suggestions.* mathematically proven.* PVP* other (can be anything provided you do not have payout issues or disputes of cheating).* Payout issues - yes even one.* Questions raised about randomness that have not been sufficiently disproved.Even though unconfirmed, it would be a bad idea to direct newbies to these sites until we can confirm.* Multiple payout issues.* Game proven to cheat.You dont pay ?, f**k you.Someone bets 5btc and does not get paid but another user gets paid on their 0.05 btc bet ? f**k you.Id rather err on the side of caution when refering people instead of erring on the side of not hurting potential scam artists feelings.if betcoin.eu is unattended and failing to pay out periodically due to lack of administration then it is a scam as far as the end user is concerned. Certainly not by malicious intent, but a scam none the less and end users should be warned. BITCOIN GAMBLING LIST

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Last edit: April 10, 2012, 09:55:10 AM by mem #14 Quote from: payb.tc on April 10, 2012, 06:32:10 AM i think the same about bitcointoss... sure there's no admin around but i've been paid the two the small bets i've won. seems harsh if there's just some error on the site to call it a scam if the admin's away.



Agreed and should the owner contact me and resolve the ~12-15 outstanding payments I am owed, fix the game and if we see 1-2 weeks of no complaints then it should be removed from the scam list and returned to the main list.



Think of it as me putting an " Out of Order ! " sign on a vending machine so the next person hoping to get a nice cold coke doesnt get ripped off. Agreed and should the owner contact me and resolve the ~12-15 outstanding payments I am owed, fix the game and if we see 1-2 weeks of no complaints then it should be removed from the scam list and returned to the main list.Think of it as me putting an "" sign on a vending machine so the next person hoping to get a nice cold coke doesnt get ripped off. BITCOIN GAMBLING LIST