The third episode of The People v. O.J. Simpson begins with something that definitely happened. Mostly. We see Robert Kardashian taking his four kids out to lunch at Chin Chin’s for Father’s Day and getting recognized, as if he were a celebrity. This is the first episode in which fame becomes a character unto itself, one that’s every bit as much a villain as O.J.

According to Lawrence Schiller’s book American Tragedy: The Uncensored Story of the O.J. Simpson Defense, Robert Kardashian picked up his kids from ex-wife Kris Jenner’s house and went to lux L.A. hotspot Chin Chin’s on Father’s Day—but for dinner, not lunch, as shown in the series. The other part, only the Kardashian kids know about for sure: “Listen to me,” he tells Kourtney, Kim, Khloe, and Rob, “you know what I try to pass on to you. We are Kardashians. And in this family, being a good person and a loyal friend is more important than being famous. Fame is fleeting. It means nothing without a virtuous heart.”

Kardashian was a source for Schiller’s book, so when he remembers the kids asking if “Uncle O.J.” is guilty and comparing what stepdad Bruce Jenner thinks, all of that probably happened. As for the speech delivered to bored-looking, future-famous kids, fighting over egg rolls instead of listening? The writers have admitted taking some liberties with the dialogue, and here we can be thankful that they have. A rare moment of sincerity and tongue-in-cheek hilarity from the figure that has become the moral center for all the players in the trial. The scene fades out to Michael Bolton’s “I Said I Loved You but I Lied”—a musical cue subliminally foreshadowing Robert’s crisis of faith in his friend’s innocence? The People v. O.J. Simpson is as well crafted as the original trial was mishandled.

Jeffrey Toobin, the author of the book on which most of the series is based, The Run of His Life, is not kind to Robert Kardashian, implying that he was fame hungry and jealous of Kris and Bruce’s television fame (they were hawking Thigh Masters in hugely successful infomercials at the time); he goes so far as to make now-shocking-seeming allegations that Kardashian may even have been abusive to Kris, noting a restraining order Kris took out against Robert during the divorce. As Kato stoically notes in this episode, “Fame’s complicated.”

So what kind of guy was Robert Kardashian really? For as long as they’ve been famous, the Kardashians (including Kris and the Jenners) have been understandably reverential to their beloved father, who died in 2003. Robert is often worshipped as a guardian-angel figure, beatified within the bounds of their reality empire and now in pop culture at large. During an episode of Kourtney and Khloe Take New York, Kim and Kourtney ask TV Psychic Extraordinaire John Edward to contact Robert on their behalf, and the episode is truly heartbreaking: they just want to talk to their dad. The full name of Kim Kardashian’s newborn son? Saint Robert West. Husband Kanye West has even credited Robert Kardashian for giving him the inspiration to finish The Life of Pablo. In what is surely a nod to his friendship with O.J., West said of his late father-in-law, “He’s still doing deals for controversial black people from up in heaven.”

Now, moving on to the fact-check of the episode’s highlights, from O.J.’s most famous quote to the drama among the members of Simpson’s defense team.