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"BREAKING: NJ Judge Gives Go Ahead to Independent Review of Sequoia's Failed Touch-Screen Voting Machines"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Linda said on 4/25/2008 @ 2:44 pm PT...





I have to get this off my chest, so I'm going to unload here. I've been blogging about this at Dan's site and elsewhere, but this really needs to have a much larger audience. Rush Limbaugh's Operation Chaos: his urging Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries, even if it means they have to switch affiliation, and vote strongly for Sen. Clinton. This is an intentional effort on his part to subvert the outcome of a U.S. national election. I'm going to draw a couple of parallels here to illustrate. First, Cindy Sheehan and CodePink. RL targets her frequently during his shows, accusing her and CodePink of being un-American and undermining U.S. foreign policy and, by extension, our national security. In fact, all she is doing is exercising her constitutional freedoms to express herself openly. Second, a hypothetical situation. Imagine an American-Islamic organization urging its national membership to vote strongly for a particular candidate in order to undo the campaign of a candidate that's pro-Israel/pro-nukes, going so far as to rile them up through its various channels of communication (radio, newspapers, mosques, etc.) to switch party affiliation during a primary election in order to thwart a particular candidate, with the ultimate goal being to prevent national voter will to run its course. Our corporate media and their pocketed officials would be all over that, calling it a threat to our national security. Yet RL is doing exactly this, and not a peep from anyone. I realize that what he is doing is not illegal in many states, and possibly illegal in others, but given today's media influence that surpasses that of previous decades, this ability of a charismatic individual in media, or from a particular extremist-religious POV, or from any marginal yet influential extremist group to subvert national voter will in an election, and esp in a presidential election, should maybe be revisited by our courts.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 4/25/2008 @ 2:57 pm PT...





Every time I'm tempted to become enraged with Limboob, Linda, I think of this picture of his butt and mellow out.

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Linda said on 4/25/2008 @ 3:02 pm PT...





99, you baaad, baaad girl.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... leftisbest said on 4/25/2008 @ 3:08 pm PT...





Nice to see there are SOME judges left in this country who put accuracy and integrity of the so-called elections above the sniveling complaints of the crocked manufacturers of voting machines and their secret software. We haven't "elected" a president in this country since 1996. The 2000 "election" turned out to be a "selection" (wherein the US Supreme Court - with a majority appointed by Regan and Bush stopped the counting of votes long enough to "run out the clock" and declare Bush the winner by 543 votes). The 2004 election was stolen in Ohio as documented by many investigators, including the latest book by Richard Hayes Phillips - WITNESS TO A CRIME - A Citizens' Audit of an American Election where the proof offered is irrefutable with a CD showing thousands of documents illustrating exactly how it was stolen, including the letter from Diebold CEO Wally O’Dell assuring Ken Blackwell (Ohio SOS) Diebold “would do everything they could to deliver the election to George W. Bush.” And Agent 99 - that is groooooooos!

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Workman3344 said on 4/25/2008 @ 3:36 pm PT...





Even worse, since Limbaugh got away with his voter fraud he has taken it further. He is encouraging riots and mayhem in Denver. Rush Limbaugh is a terrorist in every way with his daily rantings of BS and idiocy. He is attempting to recreate an actual riot that caused massive damage. Is this not against federal law??? Just because he is listened to by older white men and women does not make it any less of a crime than attempting to seduce kids to gangs. His idea of truth is like a gang mentality. I hope someone lists his sponsor and let's at least hurt his pocketbook because if enough of us unite and refuse to support companies promoting this type of acts they will quit paying for him.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Linda said on 4/25/2008 @ 3:59 pm PT...





I'm thinking that there is a legal line between urging citizens to vote for a candidate for reasons having to do with that candidate, and urging citizens to vote for a candidate in order to subvert voter will in an election, and I think it may be time for our courts to define this line. Just like there are currently legal lines between freedom of expression and inciting a riot. The line is where a person's right to express themselves results in another person's right to be safe in the one case, and where it subverts voters' collective will in the other case. You can't stand up on a podium and tell people to throw rocks at the police. By the same thinking, maybe our courts should take a closer look at whether someone can get on the horn and tell listeners to reregister in a party they don't belong to and vote for a particular candidate because operatives in their real party are putting together a mudslinging campaign to attack that candidate in the general election, therefore they don't want the other candidate, who is the candidate who would be elected by the popular vote by their actual party members, to get the nomination, because they have no orchestrated mud campaign to defeat that candidate. Somewhere in that clearly perverted scenario there must be room for common sense to prevail. Pennsylvania vs. Limbaugh

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... karen said on 4/25/2008 @ 4:09 pm PT...





woohooo

experts get to look inside the blackbox,thats one for the good guys!!!!

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Orangutan. said on 4/25/2008 @ 5:21 pm PT...





Since this website it about the only one I trust in regards to voting reform and issues. I'd like to know which of the following organization people trust, like, dislike... http://www.GetItStraightBy2008.org

http://pol.moveon.org/paper2008

http://www.BlackBoxVoting.org

http://www.VotersUnite.org

http://www.HackingDemocracy.com

http://www.VerifiedVoting.org

http://www.legitgov.org

http://www.wheresthepaper.org

http://openvoting.org These are the organization I've found working on Voting Integrity Issues. I'd like to focus on the legitimate, honest, effective ones and dismiss the fraudulent or ineffective ones. If those distinctions can be made. Peace and this is Democracy.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 4/25/2008 @ 5:33 pm PT...





Orangutan said: These are the organization I've found working on Voting Integrity Issues. First, you're working on Election Integrity Issues, not "Voting Integrity". The voters are doing just fine. Please leave them alone. Beyond that, as you may suspect, I have very strong opinions on a number of the groups linked in your post. But, by way of not poisoning the well for the moment, I'll leave other folks to offer their opinions before I offer mine.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Michael Dean said on 4/25/2008 @ 5:59 pm PT...





Cheers for Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg!!! Too bad Florida Circuit Court Judge William L. Gary was more concerned in the corporate interest in DRE "software ballot boxes" rather than the "public interest" as is Judge Feinberg!!! (Judge William L. Gary denied plaintiff Christine Jennings’ motion to allow review of the software code for the ES&S DRE touch-screen machines used in the contested 2006 U.S. House race between Democrat Christine Jennings and Republican Vern Buchanan for Florida's 13th district where 18,000 votes mysteriously went missing from the machines.) The revelation likely to come out of an examination of NJ's Sequoia DRE touch-screen voting application software is that it is remarkably unsophisticated. Any 3rd year Computer Science college student could design a better software system. The examination will likely find bugs in the base voting application software as well as the Ballot Definition Software written specifically for the NJ primary election in the weeks just before election day.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Jackie, Baton Rouge said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:17 pm PT...





Finally, election oversight. I wonder if congress will join in on the review? Somehow, I doubt it, they seem to go right along with stolen elections. Absolutely, no questions asked. Personally, I don't think Republican congressmen should be allowed to ask questions during oversight hearings, they didn't bother to hold any oversight hearings during the time they had control of the house. Why give them equal time now?

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... dr. elsewhere said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:27 pm PT...





boy, this could blow the whole nightmare wide open! of course, given that the CEO is so cavalier about the IP, he may feel the machines won't reveal anything incriminating. on the other hand, given how hard they've fought this exposure, i'd say otherwise. and given that the cavalier comment came on an 'in-house' conference call - meant i'm sure to reassure the troops - i'd qualify his opinion of the importance. nevertheless, his admission that sequoia doesn't even own its own IP is pretty damning. damn, this story should become an explosive scandal, especially considering the implications it carries for how thoroughly we've sold out our democracy - our press, our defense, our infrastructure, our representation, and our voting system - to the almighty market, the greedy mean and inhuman market.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... leftisbest said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:40 pm PT...





Hell of an update Brad - way to put out the stringer (more to come, as they used to say on Johnny Carson, I am sure). Anyone who missed it - it is ADDED at the bottom of the original story. Sequoia/SVS does NOT own the Intellectual Property (IP) rights to the software, but they control the source code. Not sure where this takes us legally, but I had mistakenly linked the IP rights to the source code, but as the Sequoia CEO Jack Blaine said about the source code, "...we have the right to modify it any way we want to modify it". Gee, do you think that could be done seripticiously during and just before a Presidential or any other election? Nah! Not here!! Not in the UNITED States of Amerika!!! NEVVVVVVVVER!!!!

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:54 pm PT...





"trial should start by September." Great news but why the delay I wonder. She was going to do it in May? This means it's unlikely that it will be settled before your election.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Michael Dean said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:56 pm PT...





Orangutan Comment #8 I'm not sure what you are looking for, but another group doing intresting work is - http://votingintegrity.org/ - The National Committee for Voting Integrity (NCVI) is an Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) project that brings together experts on voting issues from among computer scientists, elections administrators, voting rights advocates, policymakers, the media and the public. I tend to follow the work of: votetrustusa, votersunite and verifiedvoting. Bev at BlackBoxVoting is also very dedicated.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:25 pm PT...





Linda's right. Changing parties like that needs to be addressed. That's cheating. I saved Gibbons' myspage page. I don't think the old cache is working any longer, not sure. There was that Mike Gannon type friend. There were all those funny tidbits. Mike Gibbons. That was a good one. He got busted and changed it to him with Bush Sr.. He scrubbed the blonde bimbo stuff. When will these chumps learn to clean up their internet crumbs?

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:35 pm PT...





#8 At the Democratic Underground election forum, there are some great posters along with others who appear to be republican plants. It's fairly easy to see who is who. Other than that, yeah, it's good to know Brad and others are here. Keep plugging for exit polls and paper ballots, imho. They rigged 2000 and 2004, without doubt.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... neoconvict said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:40 pm PT...





I think it's pretty clear (to me at least) that Move On has let down the progressives time and time again. Had they jumped on the election integity bandwagon, as so many of them begged them to do so in 2004 (and continue to to the same radio silence,) they could have stopped the Bush presidency in its tracks. If they mustered the full power of their membership to say BS to the 2004 election coup, and continued to beat that drumhead, the media would have had no choice but to cover it and the Bush presidency would be viewed as illegitimate. Same thing with 9-11, which no one touches, yet is a powder keg just waiting to go off and bring all these bastards down. But they don't have the balls to stop it or even realize that they have the power to do so. Had Move On, with its 3 million-plus members, focused full power on either of these blackout issues, they could topple these crooks in short order. Seriously. They could end the Neocon reign within weeks. But they won't step up. There are plenty of other so-called progressive organizations who continue to pull their punches, too. People for the American Way is another one. These are organizations who are doing good work but don't seem to really want to go to the mat or Still Don't Get It. I find it all sad and irritating. Even the big so-called liberal magazines won't touch the blackout issues --- with the exception of Harper's, who bravely published Mark Crispin Miller's piece on the theft of 2004, and Rolling Stone with the Bobby Kennedy piece on same. But I've lost my patience with The Nation and The American Prospect and Mother Jones and am letting my subscriptions lapse on all of them, because they just Don't Get It. Move On or PFAW could stop Bush tomorrow. But to do so they'll have to stick their neck out and tell the American people the truth. And they're obviously all too chickenshit to do that.

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:49 pm PT...





LeftIsBest #13 To offer a few more comments on the IP/Source Code matter. While I'm not an attorney, my understanding is that in order to claim IP rights, one has to assert that right. As far as I know, Smartmatic (who, it's now clear, owns the IP rights to the software) has not chosen to do so. They have allowed Sequoia, if Blaine is to be believed, the right to modify their software, etc. So, it would seem, Smartmatic has essentially given up their assertion of IP rights. Even if allowing Sequoia to modify their software wouldn't be considered an abandonment of IP rights, the fact that they have not attempted to protect it in either NJ, or other places where the Sequoia systems have been challenged or examined, seems to me they have no right to assert it now. In anycase, Smartmatic *hasn't* asserted it, Sequoia has, but they have no claim over the IP, so they wouldn't seem to have standing to make such a claim. Anywhere. Smartmatic might try to assert a claim, but then they would be publicly admitting that they didn't really divest of Sequoia after all, which they claimed they had done, when the federal investigators from CFIUS had them under investigation last year (which is what led to "selling off" Sequoia in the first place). These guys have really done themselves in, as far as I can tell. I'm very very sad for them.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 4/25/2008 @ 10:53 pm PT...





I just can't seem to avoid your blog. Still loving ya though!!

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:00 pm PT...





All it takes is for people to Turn off the TV, put the beers, and drugs down and get active en MASS. The powers that be, have a lot of plans, but they can not stop the power of the people. You are the people. I am the people. Nobody else is going to do this. It needs to be BIG. We need to ride these oath of office high level security pigs out of our country into a jail on a rail. HEH HEH jail on a rail...bay-bee! Jail on a Rail

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:12 pm PT...





#1 Linda, I got the message.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Phil said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:17 pm PT...





Thank god it's the weekend the fascist oath of office breakers can't push any more unconstitutional legislation. The last two days were insane. I feel like I was breathing the smoke from the burning Sequoia's.

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:31 pm PT...





Phil That post you did on Limboob rocks, and that metaphor about sequoia smoke does too.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... C Smith said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:46 pm PT...





LOL have you all forgotten the KISS principal when it comes to EI? Complexity should be avoided—simplicity is a goal in itself. Extra features are not needed; an approach that seems "too easy to be true" is in fact the best way. ... the very obvious approach is often the best. KISS Wiki

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Songboom.com said on 4/26/2008 @ 1:44 am PT...





Wow, politics really are dirty..

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 5:03 am PT...





BRAD! HAVE YOU SEEN THIS??? Erasing history on Wikipedia: Who would have the power/authority to completely erase a massive page of Wikipedia historical evidence related to the theft of the 2004 elections in the United States? YOU WANT EVIDENCE? HERE'S YOUR EVIDENCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/...ontroversy%2C_exit_polls {Ed Note: The good news: What's deleted on Wiki, can also be undeleted. - BF}

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 5:09 am PT...





If you are searching for the true ringleader of the vote fraud, one need look no farther than AIPAC: http://www.cqpolitics.co...ocid=hsnews-000002711892 CQ HOMELAND SECURITY

April 25, 2008 – 8:13 p.m. excerpt: "A former senior CIA counterintelligence operative believes the case “will never go to trial, because of all the ugly stuff that would come out” about Israeli activities in the United States. Indeed, Justice Department attorneys have fought to keep “ugly stuff” from emerging in the trial of two officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, charged with accepting classified documents from Pentagon official Larry Franklin. But the federal judge in the case has indicated he might not go along with their strategy. Last month Judge Thomas Ellis III indefinitely postponed the trial of AIPAC officials Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, which was scheduled to open next week." If they can shut down a federal espionage trial indefinitely, they can sure as hell control the entire election process - and do. Call it what it is - conspiracy. CONSPIRACY TO COMMUNICATE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO AGENT OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENT 1. Defendant LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN was employed by the United States government at the Department of Defense (DoD) in the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), International Security Affairs (ISA), Office of Near East and South Asia, Office of Northern Gulf Affairs, Iran desk, and held a Top Secret security clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). FRANKLIN'S office was located within the Pentagon, in the Eastern District of Virginia. FRANKLIN was also a Colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve (USAFR). http://www.globalsecurit...indictment_04aug2005.htm No need to look any further than AIPAC.

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 5:26 am PT...





Smartmatic and its Trojan Horse, Sequoia: http://209.85.207.104/se...=clnk&cd=1&gl=us "Smartmatic is privately held," Shafer, a former executive with a Texas-based computer voting company, said. "A controlling interest is held by its founder and CEO, Antonio Mugica, who holds dual Spanish and Venezuelan citizenship." However, as Smartmatic's Uniform Business Report for the Florida Dept. of State, dated Jan. 27, 2003, reveals, three men named "Antonio Mugica" sit on the board of the company. Antonio Mugica is the president; Antonio Mugica Rivero is chairman of the board, and Antonio Mugica Sesma, company director and father of the president, is reportedly the owner of the house on Dinner Key Drive in Boca Raton where the company was based. This raises a number of questions. How has a little family-run company of three relatives and two friends, all Venezuelans, based in a house in Boca Raton in 2003, been able to take control of the counting of the votes for 40 million Americans? And why has the mainstream media ignored the important questions of ownership that surround Sequoia Voting Systems and the other private companies that count our votes? How was this tiny backroom company able to attract four senior executives from the U.S. computer giant Unisys to fill the positions of president, two vice presidents, and corporate controller? UNISYS - THE MOSSAD'S TROJAN HORSE? Unisys is headed by Lawrence A. Weinbach, who is president, chief executive officer and chairman of the computer giant who provides computer equipment and software for all of the key agencies of the U.S. government and leading companies. Under Weinbach, Unisys has integrated Israeli security software, provided by the Israel-based Check Point Software Technologies and Eurekify, into its own software. Israeli software, written by Mossad-linked companies, now "secures" the most sensitive computers in the U.S. government and commercial sector. "Unisys combines Check Point's security technologies within Unisys solutions across strategic vertical markets including the commercial and federal sectors," Unisys says on its website. "100 percent of the Fortune 100 rely on Check Point for unequalled security and worry-free protection," it says.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 5:31 am PT...



COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 5:46 am PT...





Plunger, every other country in the world has more access to our shit than we the people do IMO. Olberman had an ad on his show last night for the Coalition for a Democratic Workplace. Another astroturf group

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:20 am PT...





Floridiot: Surely you're not discounting the direct evidence of Israel's role in these conspiracies to control the US electoral and foreign policy agenda or otherwise justifying it by stating that "everyone else does it?" Surely that's not how you meant for that to come across. Surely you want foreign espionage and theft of state secrets regarding nuclear weapons to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law?

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:33 am PT...





GWN #14 Yes, the AP article Brad mentions mentioned that too:

The delay nearly assures that the outcome will be too late to change how millions of New Jerseyans vote in November's presidential election. I suppose that if it stands up on appeal there may be some benefit in a few years. Caveat, other states do not have to follow that precedent, and neither do the feds. Bottom line, the battle must go on.

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:39 am PT...





Hell no Plungie!!! The technology that is available today I would say that Israel has the deepest penetration into our election network next to the DOD. It's like a sieve IMO. But to take out AIPAC (our government) will take a revolution now

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:45 am PT...





Shit man, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out...millions of Democratic voting people standing in lines for hours to vote in '04 and Bush comes out on top? BS I don't know one person that voted for the prick

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 7:12 am PT...





With this technology on steroids I'm betting they can go damn near anywhere

Link

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 4/26/2008 @ 7:31 am PT...





Floridiot #34,35 I know you and I have been suspecting and getting circumstantial evidence (which is admissible in court BTW) that the military oil complex is active in the electronic voting machine industry. It has been revealed (and covered up) in the past few days, that they have been massively active in injecting propaganda into the MSM:

The effort, which began with the buildup to the Iraq war and continues to this day, has sought to exploit ideological and military allegiances, and also a powerful financial dynamic: Most of the analysts have ties to military contractors vested in the very war policies they are asked to assess on air. (NYT, emphasis added). And remember that a while back a defense contracting entity tried to take over directly one of the evoting machine companies. This gives new meaning to the term "fix those evoting machines".

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 7:57 am PT...





Yeah I remember July 10,'06 If I could find that map I put up about Suntron, everything about that outfit smells MIOC to me, from the funding to the design, parts and testing of the Hart system.

Then they turn around and have the balls to show their cards by having Kwaidan consulting, a Suntron insider test the Sequoia system? That told me right away that the two are connected somehow, maybe the mom and pop shop by Tony Mugica talked about above by plunger Everytime I try to research away from this theory the spooky looking bastards start coming out of the woodwork again and again. It's a theory, but not a conspiracy yet Dredd

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:03 am PT...





...and it would make one hell of a suspense thriller movie from what I have whipped up

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:16 am PT...





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage Espionage is usually part of an institutional effort (i.e., governmental or corporate espionage), and the term is most readily associated with state spying on potential or actual enemies, primarily for military purposes, but this has been extended to spying involving corporations, known specifically as industrial espionage. Many nations routinely spy on both their enemies and allies, although they maintain a policy of not making comment on this. In addition to utilizing agencies within a government many also employ private companies to collect information on their behalf. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html

http://rense.com/general72/nss.htm

http://www.whatreallyhap...ukesguardedbyisrael.html

http://www.aztlan.net/israeli_sexpionage.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html

http://ww1.sundayherald.com/print37707

http://911research.wtc7....ept11/haaretz_odigo.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

http://www.antichristcon...tained_Sept_11_Spies.htm

http://www.whatreallyhap...reportisraelispying.html

http://www.whatreallyhap...ed.com/fiveisraelis.html

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... plunger said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:20 am PT...





I quite assure you that the number one problem with US foreign policy is centered around BLACKMAIL. Remember all the scuttlebutt the American people stirred up over "Warrantless Wiretapping?" What they don't know is that Israel has tapped EVERY phone in the US - including within the White House, the NSA and the Defense Department. Read all about it - then get back to me with your opinion. http://www.washingtonpos.../27/AR2006092701859.html House Suspends Hill Telecom License

Va. Firm's Award Linked to Abramoff The license to install antennas for cellular and wireless telephones in House office buildings was awarded in 2002 to MobileAccess, formerly known as Foxcom Wireless, which was based in Israel.

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... molly said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:45 am PT...





#18..This is a subject that disturbs and puzzles me. Taboo subjects with progressives.Homeland Security wants to build a huge "germ factory" in the piedmont NC area. It is to be the size of 5 giant wal marts. 2,000,000 people in close proximity. There was one on Plum Island NY that had a huge melt down due to a power failure. We can thank that event for West Nile virus and hoof and mouth disease in the US. The dem. gov. is neutral, state and fed. politicians are for it..JOBS...An activist friend says most locals don't want to hear about it.Some sociologist should do a study on apathy.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... molly said on 4/26/2008 @ 8:51 am PT...





My activist friend did not tell me the details on Plum Island...although she confirmed the facts.. Rense.com did. Homophobic and racist website. Maybe if "those" people go further to the right and WE go further to the left. ..the progressives will be the new middle.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 9:22 am PT...





My "opinion" still holds there Plunger, they use the wireless technology to get into "the last mile" of Power Line Networking, they use repeaters to jump the transformers. Soon it won't even require that "last mile" There will not be a wireless card or a network cable to be found after that around ANY server or PC...just plug it into any 120 v wall outlet and you're in. That's the future my friend, if it isn't here already. The Government has been playing with G-Line since '52, that tells me a lot

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 4/26/2008 @ 10:03 am PT...





G-Line dynamic range simulators, 1962 Link

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 4/26/2008 @ 10:43 am PT...





Floridiot #38,39 You mentioned:

It's a theory, but not a conspiracy yet Dredd Yep. Now is the time to mention, again, remembering my response to Brad's tongue-in-cheek post a few threads back about there being no evidence. We don't want to be like the wimpy MSM and cut ourselves down by saying we have no evidence. Do not forget this about evidence:

The popular notion that one cannot be convicted on circumstantial evidence is false. Most criminal convictions are based, at least in part, on circumstantial evidence that sufficiently links criminal and crime. (Circumstantial Evidence, emphasis added). So, if circumstantial evidence can be used in criminal trials, it can certainly be used in evote machine civil trials. We have a case Brad!

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... Pee Wee said on 4/26/2008 @ 11:36 am PT...





Speaking of Limbaugh,and his comments and dreams about the convention: All that would have to happen is for a few of his groupies to start a riot, get arrested, and then claim Rush told them to riot!

Limbaugh had better hope that nothing happens!

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... Cyteria said on 4/26/2008 @ 12:29 pm PT...





This is wonderful news. Today I met with Rep. Rosa DeLauro (one of the good guys) and asked her to write legislation to make clear that any voting machine, including optical scans, source code is open to public inspection. I think she'll do it.

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... karen said on 4/26/2008 @ 1:21 pm PT...





in kindergarten we all learned that the sum of the parts cannot be greater than the whole

i am going to re post this until someone explains to me how this precinct and many others report more reform voters than r registered and /or why we should believe any results from a tape that obviously has a false result

from john howards info

0005 AVALON WARD 1

VOTES PERCENT REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . . 1093

REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRATIC . . . . 644 58.92

REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN . . . . 289 26.44

REGISTERED VOTERS - REFORM. . . . . . 1 .09

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . . 371

BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRATIC . . . . . . 310 83.56

BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN . . . . . . 59 15.90

BALLOTS CAST - REFORM . . . . . . . 2 .54

VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . . 33.94

VOTER TURNOUT - DEMOCRATIC. . . . . . 48.14

VOTER TURNOUT - REPUBLICAN. . . . . . 20.42

VOTER TURNOUT - REFORM . . . . . . . 200.00

COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 4/26/2008 @ 1:44 pm PT...





Karen I don't want to be rude but percentages are different from basic 1+1=2 kind of math, and it's not okay to keep posting the same thing because you want math lessons. Please read our RULES FOR COMMENTING AT BRAD BLOG. Thank you.

COMMENT #51 [Permalink]

... karen said on 4/26/2008 @ 2:53 pm PT...





99 i am not talking about the percentages at all

read the post

1 reform voter registered but 2 reform voters "reported" on election day?

i dont mean to be rude but folks dont seem to get it is an impossible result

if the machines "brain" allows for posting 1 false result,it will allow,in fact is programmed for a false result

in fact some of the first 400 precincts in allegheny county report no registered reform voters but still report reform voters on election day

this is 1 plus 1 math,and its right in front of all of us

COMMENT #52 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 4/26/2008 @ 3:25 pm PT...





It says "VOTES PERCENT", which, even if it didn't, would be obvious because you cannot have, say, 2.54 reform voters. There is no such thing as a .54 voter --- it's either a whole voter or none at all --- but there is such a thing as 2.54 percent of total voters or of total votes. I'm not arguing whether whatever you read indicated there were more votes than voters, but the evidence you have supplied doesn't make the case. Well... never mind. Perhaps the presentation is just confusing to read without enough spaces between the stats. In any case, please don't repeatedly post the same thing. Somebody will address your concern if they are going to and not if they aren't. Thank you.

COMMENT #53 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 4/26/2008 @ 4:28 pm PT...





99 - I believe you're misreading Karen's post (easy, since we don't use a fixed-size font here). The "2.54" number you refer to is actually VOTES=2 PERCENT=.54 Karen - As I recall, NH allowed polling-place registration on Election Day. If that precinct only had 1 Reform Party voter, but another registered as Reform on the day of the election, that would explain at least that point in your numbers above. No?

COMMENT #54 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 4/26/2008 @ 4:35 pm PT...





Yuh, I believe you are right... and that's why I posted the caveat because I kept staring at those numbers and it was not jibing with what Karen was saying. I finally noticed the space between the numbers... which I should be used to because this sort of thing happens every single time someone tries to post stats, but it got me anyway. Maybe when yer rich you can get somebody to write you up some code for a stat framework button and everybody can then figure out what everybody else is talking about.... Or. Not....

COMMENT #55 [Permalink]

... karen said on 4/26/2008 @ 4:40 pm PT...





PENNSYLVANIA

0020 BALDWIN BR DIST 10

VOTES# PERCENT% REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL . . . . . . 935#

REGISTERED VOTERS - DEMOCRATIC . . . . 614# 65.67%

REGISTERED VOTERS - REPUBLICAN . . . . 206# 22.03%

REGISTERED VOTERS - REFORM. . . . . . 0

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL. . . . . . . . 283#

BALLOTS CAST - DEMOCRATIC . . . . . . 256# 90.46%

BALLOTS CAST - REPUBLICAN . . . . . . 26# 9.19%

BALLOTS CAST - REFORM . . . . . . . 1# .35%

VOTER TURNOUT - TOTAL . . . . . . . 30.27%

VOTER TURNOUT - DEMOCRATIC. . . . . . 41.69%

VOTER TURNOUT - REPUBLICAN. . . . . . 12.62% ********** (DEMOCRATIC) **********

i went back to bbv and found one that shows 0 reform voters because yes the spacing after i copied makes it hard to read///kurt on bbv says no reform votes should be listed as its a closed primary....if u r familiar with bbvs site kurt is an election official from pa

i am srry if i broke some posting rules but i think this impossible result (more reform voters than registered show classic "tag" )

i am rolling my eyes at myself because i didnt make it clear this is pa not nh...no same day registration in PA

thank you for taking the time to look {Ed Note: I edited this to include the # and % symbols and correct a typo, for clarity's sake.... Plus, it might be well to inform everyone that no matter how well you get the numbers to line up in the comment box, in your draft, or from wherever they were copied, they squeeze up to very nearly completely unintelligible here once you hit the post button. --99}

COMMENT #56 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:28 pm PT...





Phil #21 You said "put the beers ... down" .... WHOA ! Phil, we haven't gotten together to do or kegger and talk bradlog shit yet. "Not gonna do it ... wouldn't be prudent" ...

COMMENT #57 [Permalink]

... olenska said on 4/27/2008 @ 5:57 am PT...





I don't get the cheering. we will have rigged elections in november, since the judge scheduled the hearing too late to fix it. this is a disaster.

COMMENT #58 [Permalink]

... Aeon said on 4/29/2008 @ 8:07 am PT...

