14:06 Cryptic: 00:19:625 (1,2,3,4) -

14:06 Cryptic: unoverlap it since it doesn't really look intended

14:07 Mazzerin: oh yeah

14:07 Mazzerin: i'll move by a few pixels

14:07 Cryptic: yeah

14:08 Cryptic: 00:49:457 - I'm assuming since the accent here has a lot of drift you don't want to map it?

14:08 Mazzerin: you mean the background stuff?

14:08 Cryptic: well

14:08 Cryptic: its an accent to the string

14:09 Cryptic: its like

14:09 Cryptic: do do do do dododo

14:09 Mazzerin: ohh like extensions

14:09 Cryptic: mm

14:09 Mazzerin: i think singles are just fine

14:09 Cryptic: Yeah

14:09 Cryptic: It actually only happens there I think

14:09 Cryptic: which is why I brought it up

14:12 Cryptic: 00:21:648 (1,2,3,4) - maybe move the 2,3,4 down a bit since the spacing right now is a bit deceptive compared to the pervious part of the map?

14:12 Cryptic: not very far, like stack the 4 on00:21:058 (5) - or something

14:13 Mazzerin: ok that works

14:14 Cryptic: 00:57:377 (1,2,3,1,2) - I'm a bit worried about this pattern overall, specifically 00:57:547 (2,3) - to 00:57:884 (1,2) - seems a bit too circular

14:14 Cryptic: but also I think that 00:58:052 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this may be overspaced, according to pitch. As in, the 7,8,9 should be lower spaced

14:15 Cryptic: So technically you could probably kill two bords with one stone by just rearranging the pattern slightly

14:15 Mazzerin: which pattern?

14:15 Mazzerin: the first one or the second one?

14:16 Cryptic: Both

14:16 Cryptic: Like, the first needs to probably have a tighter angle into 00:57:884 (1,2,1,2,3) -

14:16 Mazzerin: the circularity is fine, it's a nice triangle in my eyes

14:16 Cryptic: and the second needs less spacing on 00:58:725 (7,8,9) - IMO

14:16 Cryptic: because the pitch starts decreasing there

14:16 Cryptic: as that sounds like a lead-in to 00:59:064 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -

14:16 Mazzerin: i can rearrenge it to be even sharper

14:16 Mazzerin: with just changing that one note though

14:16 Cryptic: I was saying even sharper yeah, I think it'd play a tiny bit better if you did that

14:17 Mazzerin: you mean sharper as in from the other side

14:17 Cryptic: 00:57:714 (3,1,2) -

14:17 Mazzerin: or just like more from above

14:17 Mazzerin: instead of completely leading into that

14:17 Cryptic: yeah, I think either would work honestly. Personally, I like the placement of the kick

14:18 Cryptic: actually

14:18 Cryptic: tilt the 2

14:18 Cryptic: upwards

14:18 Cryptic: 00:57:967 (2) -

14:18 Cryptic: this 2

14:18 Cryptic: that should solve it

14:19 Cryptic: because the main thing I'm worried about is when you go from 00:57:714 (3) - to 00:57:884 (1,2) - its really kind of linear so it could just feel clunky

14:19 Mazzerin: wait you meant the lead in to the 00:58:052 (1) - wasn't sharp?

14:19 Cryptic: but moving the 2 up a bit could oslve that

14:19 Mazzerin: oh

14:19 Cryptic: yeah, basically

14:19 Mazzerin: i wanted to have 2 in the followpoint

14:19 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232011

14:19 Mazzerin: i did that

14:19 Cryptic: That'll work

14:19 Cryptic: nice skin by the way

14:20 Cryptic: 00:58:725 (7) -

14:20 Mazzerin: now what about

14:20 Cryptic: by the way, I just noticed that this wasn't snapped

14:20 Mazzerin: that 7

14:20 Mazzerin: it's broken

14:20 Cryptic: 00:58:388 (4) - neither is this

14:20 Cryptic: o?

14:20 Mazzerin: everythings "not snapped"

14:20 Mazzerin: or a lot of things

14:20 Mazzerin: it's an editor bug

14:20 Cryptic: gotchya

14:21 Mazzerin: gotta use navosu helper app

14:21 Mazzerin: that one shows what is really unsnapped

14:21 Cryptic: mhmm

14:21 Mazzerin: ok so 789

14:21 Mazzerin: what if it's below the 123?

14:22 Cryptic: That'd probably be fine, what do you have in mind?

14:22 Mazzerin: wait i'll actually rearrange the next ones too

14:22 Cryptic: okay

14:25 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232074 i meant this

14:25 Mazzerin: well that's not down anymore it's even closer but it makes more sense

14:25 Cryptic: yeah

14:25 Cryptic: I like that

14:25 Cryptic: it works

14:26 Cryptic: let me know when you're done w/ that pattern

14:26 Mazzerin: i am done!

14:27 Mazzerin: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6232100 the rest is like that

14:27 Mazzerin: moved that next 123 cause it would've been too close

14:27 Cryptic: yeah

14:27 Cryptic: that should be bueno

14:27 Mazzerin: and that makes sense cause it's a new measure+snare

14:28 Cryptic: 01:01:929 (1,2,3) -

14:28 Cryptic: fix your DS please

14:28 Cryptic: also honestly make that curve a tiny bit less sharp

14:28 Cryptic: it'll look better

14:29 Mazzerin: yeah

14:31 Cryptic: 01:14:062 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -

14:31 Cryptic: this is really weird flow-wise

14:32 Cryptic: I think some of the things you could do is nerf the DS on 01:14:231 (2,3,4) - as an ode to the different pitch in the BG (even though you're following the drums here)

14:32 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2,3,1) -

14:32 Cryptic: but when you look at that specifically it just looks really clunky, even for 178

14:33 Mazzerin: well it's definitely not as hard as some of the patterns around

14:33 Mazzerin: it's just slightly spaced

14:33 Cryptic: sure, theres definitely harder patterns

14:34 Cryptic: I was just saying that this one is kind of hard because of the flow moreso than the spacing

14:34 Mazzerin: so if i nerf 234 that's enough?

14:35 Cryptic: mm, lemme give you a suggestion, hold on

14:35 Cryptic: cuz the 234 really fucks the entire pattern

14:35 Mazzerin: you know sharp flow FROM a stream to a note is good

14:36 Cryptic: Yeah

14:36 Mazzerin: linear flow during a stream where you start from a note to a stream is also fine

14:36 Cryptic: its really how you're basically going down, then left, then backwards, then direclty up

14:37 Cryptic: it plays kind of like a weird drawn out square

14:37 Mazzerin: if it's sharp from circle to stream (stream goes in reverse) it still feels fine but it's usually further away so it's harder (because of visuals, can't place it as close as you could)

14:37 Cryptic: which isn't that great overall

14:37 Mazzerin: oh another thing then

14:37 Mazzerin: when you're inside a stream pattern

14:37 Mazzerin: reset the flow

14:37 Mazzerin: hmm hard to explain

14:37 Cryptic: no i get that

14:37 Mazzerin: think of it as a relaxed/non straining position for your aiming hand

14:38 Mazzerin: it's mostly about reading and moving carefully inside streams

14:38 Mazzerin: not snapping around

14:38 Cryptic: Yeah

14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2) -

14:38 Cryptic: but that is a snap

14:38 Mazzerin: so it resets and starts again here 01:14:399 (4) -

14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:062 (1,2,3,4) -

14:38 Mazzerin: yeah it's triangular

14:38 Cryptic: this is fine

14:38 Cryptic: 01:14:399 (4,1,2) - is borderline a right angle

14:38 Cryptic: and then the 01:14:735 (2,3,1) - flows out of the right angle

14:38 Mazzerin: well that's one snap 01:14:062 (1,2) -

14:38 Mazzerin: a right angle?

14:39 Cryptic: I honestly think like having the 2,3,4 with a slightly lower DS and then tilted upwards would probably be a fairly okay solution

14:39 Cryptic: though in all honesty

14:39 Cryptic: its up to you

14:39 Cryptic: This is a really nazi thing of me to point out

14:39 Mazzerin: what if 01:14:399 (4) - was closer?

14:39 Cryptic: so only change it if you agree

14:39 Mazzerin: hmmm i don't even know

14:39 Mazzerin: LOL

14:39 Cryptic: 4 being closer would help

14:40 Mazzerin: i'd rather keep it, this is the least someone will care about

14:40 Mazzerin: it's like taking notes from the slow part

14:40 Cryptic: I kind of did osmething like this: https://puu.sh/rvpor/6a9326032f.png

14:40 Mazzerin: and talking about their angles

14:40 Cryptic: but like

14:40 Cryptic: that ends up taking away a lot of the impact

14:41 Cryptic: 01:35:045 (16,1) -

14:41 Cryptic: the hell

14:42 Mazzerin: you think it's too big?

14:42 Cryptic: Mmm, the transition itself is a bit large, but the biggest issue is the fact that the stream is pointed away from it + the spacing

14:42 Cryptic: if the stream lead into it a bit more

14:42 Mazzerin: things like those are much easier than 01:35:382 (2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - by the way

14:42 Cryptic: (like not as much of a curve away) I could see the distance being better

14:42 Cryptic: yeah I know

14:42 Mazzerin: but the drop down effect is so cool

14:43 Cryptic: it is

14:43 Mazzerin: with the kick

14:43 Cryptic: Yeah, its fine

14:43 Cryptic: you're snapping to a repeat slider

14:43 Mazzerin: yeah

14:43 Mazzerin: you are safe for a bunch of time

14:43 Mazzerin: even if you're off time

14:43 Cryptic: yeah

14:43 Cryptic: a lot of lenience

14:44 Cryptic: 02:26:365 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) -

14:45 Cryptic: this is a cool pattern

14:45 Mazzerin: IT IS GOOD

14:45 Mazzerin: i love it

14:45 Mazzerin: i've never seen anything like it

14:46 Cryptic: 03:14:907 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

14:46 Cryptic: I love this solo

14:46 Cryptic: so fucking much

14:47 Mazzerin: the reason why i mapped it

14:47 Cryptic: 03:28:060 (1) - UN-NC it

14:48 Mazzerin: but i'm following a pattern

14:48 Mazzerin: then i would have to un-nc 03:27:137 (1) -

14:48 Mazzerin: 'and 03:27:599 (1) -

14:48 Cryptic: but they're

14:48 Cryptic: 1-2-3's rather than 1-2's musically :c

14:49 Mazzerin: but i grouped it as 1-2 1-2 everywhere

14:49 Mazzerin: including there

14:49 Cryptic: mmm, fine.

14:49 Mazzerin: it's just that that last 2 is missing

14:49 Mazzerin: 03:28:637 (1) -

14:49 Mazzerin: same happens here!

14:49 Cryptic: I know

14:49 Cryptic: I hadn't gotten there yet

14:51 Cryptic: 03:44:445 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) -

14:51 Cryptic: which instrument are you following for the expansion?

14:51 Mazzerin: well the guitar starts screaming

14:51 Mazzerin: the lead one

14:51 Mazzerin: the rhythmic guitar goes up in pitch

14:51 Mazzerin: and the drums are 1/4

14:51 Mazzerin: so it's all mashed up into one increasing pattern

14:51 Cryptic: Yeah

14:51 Cryptic: alright

14:53 Cryptic: eh, that section is tough to sort out musically, I think you did fine

14:53 Cryptic: has anyone played the current iteration of the map by the way?

14:54 Mazzerin: yes talala today

14:54 Mazzerin: and gayz

14:54 Cryptic: Alright

14:54 Cryptic: What did they say?

14:54 Mazzerin: gayz could pass everything but the streams before the jumps

14:55 Mazzerin: and talala couldn't pass the streams but could pass the jumps until sliderjumps

14:55 Mazzerin: so i changed the streams with talala

14:55 Mazzerin: and he passed both the streams and the jumps except the slider jumps

14:55 Mazzerin: the problem was overlaps and that weird triple not sure if you saw it

14:55 Mazzerin: 03:24:368 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -

14:55 Mazzerin: this was overlapping

14:55 Mazzerin: so i removed that

14:56 Mazzerin: and there was this triangular triple 03:25:176 (2,3,1) -

14:56 Mazzerin: that gayz complained about

14:56 Mazzerin: but i made it straight

14:56 Mazzerin: talala said he's gonna pass it with luck now hah

14:57 Cryptic: 05:03:170 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - why change the folow so much here?

14:57 Cryptic: also, sorry, I was reading that all but I was also looking ahead

14:57 Cryptic: I don't want to make you wait too long

14:57 Mazzerin: sorry for what

14:58 Mazzerin: not talking to me while i was typing a wall?

14:58 Mazzerin: that's fine

14:58 Cryptic: yea

14:58 Mazzerin: it's hard to explain the direction there

14:58 Mazzerin: i just kinda felt like guitar does that

14:58 Mazzerin: i have no idea how to say this

14:58 Mazzerin: but i like how it flows into after that motion 05:03:844 (1,2,3,4,1) -

14:59 Cryptic: See, my only concern with some of these awkward stream jumps and sharp flow changes is the HP 6

14:59 Cryptic: I get that you don't want like 50% acc passes

15:00 Cryptic: but you may need a slightly lower HP

15:00 Cryptic: with some of these stream jumps

15:00 Cryptic: not that one that i mentioned

15:00 Cryptic: just overall

15:00 Mazzerin: hp is tricky to decide

15:00 Mazzerin: it simply makes it more lenient everywhere

15:01 Cryptic: yeah

15:01 Mazzerin: but how lenient do i want it and how lenient does everyone else want it?

15:01 Mazzerin: everyone has a different opinion

15:01 Mazzerin: the top players literally said

15:01 Mazzerin: if you make it lower, it's gonna be easier to pass

15:01 Mazzerin: and well that's true it's simple as that

15:01 Cryptic: Yeah

15:01 Cryptic: thats for sure

15:01 Cryptic: but if people liek talala and gayz who are quite good at your maps are having trouble passing

15:01 Cryptic: wouldn't something like 5.5 or 5 be a bit more reasonable?

15:02 Cryptic: We both know no one will ever pass this with HR, maybe HD, most passes will be HT

15:02 Cryptic: tbh, I'm fine with it being HP 6

15:02 Mazzerin: i'll quickly ask around

15:02 Cryptic: I just see it as being a potential conversation point in a DQ mod

15:03 Mazzerin: mithew says 6

15:03 Mazzerin: broodich says 5.5

15:03 Mazzerin: LOL

15:03 Mazzerin: wait

15:04 Cryptic: ?

15:04 Mazzerin: plz enjoy game will say something as well

15:04 Mazzerin: about the hp

15:04 Cryptic: alright

15:04 Mazzerin: i mean you can keep modding

15:04 Cryptic: I'm gonna start checking HSing

15:05 Mazzerin: aaand he says 5

15:05 Mazzerin: ROFL

15:05 Mazzerin: so we have 5 5.5 and 6

15:05 Cryptic: nah really the only last major complaint I had was the really weird stream flow

15:05 Cryptic: uhm

15:05 Cryptic: split the difference, avg is 55

15:05 Cryptic: *5.5

15:05 Cryptic: ?

15:05 Mazzerin: yeah

15:06 Cryptic: oh

15:06 Cryptic: I did forget

15:06 Cryptic: 05:44:799 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) -

15:06 Cryptic: I'm not a huge fan of that pattern at all

15:06 Cryptic: I get the spacing musically, but the design seems to be a bit harder than the song really warrants

15:06 Mazzerin: well the jump is barely bigger

15:06 Cryptic: especially the 6>1 at the end there

15:06 Mazzerin: it's almost the same as usual

15:07 Mazzerin: 0.25 difference

15:07 Cryptic: alright

15:07 Cryptic: time for hte "fun" part

15:07 Mazzerin: some guy already checked hitsounds pretty well

15:07 Mazzerin: i also did a few times

15:08 Mazzerin: there might be some missing after changes though

15:09 Cryptic: hmm

15:12 Mazzerin: talala said 5.5-5.7

15:12 Mazzerin: and '5 is too easy'

15:12 Mazzerin: so 5.5 is the best i guess

15:12 Cryptic: yeah

15:12 Cryptic: I'm about halfway through with HSing

15:12 Cryptic: after I finish you can update and then I can recheck the spots that were tinkered and recheck their HSs and the quali

15:13 Cryptic: 03:55:522 (1) -

15:13 Cryptic: defualt hit-whistle??

15:13 Mazzerin: what

15:13 Cryptic: its defualt hit-whistle

15:13 Cryptic: like

15:13 Cryptic: that is

15:13 Cryptic: isn't it mean tto be

15:13 Mazzerin: that's a sound in the song isn't it

15:14 Cryptic: turn music voluem to 0%

15:14 Mazzerin: OH

15:14 Mazzerin: the slider

15:14 Cryptic: yeah

15:14 Mazzerin: nooo

15:14 Mazzerin: the sliderbody has whistle applied to it

15:14 Mazzerin: accidently

15:14 Cryptic: yeah

15:14 Cryptic: thats what I was saying

15:14 Mazzerin: woops

15:18 Cryptic: alright

15:18 Cryptic: the rest is good

15:19 Mazzerin: so i can update

15:19 Cryptic: aye

15:19 Cryptic: you did 5.5 right?

15:19 Mazzerin: yeah

15:19 Cryptic: cool cool

15:19 Cryptic: lemme know when update

15:20 Mazzerin: now

15:20 Mazzerin: it is done

15:20 Cryptic: yep

15:20 Cryptic: checking

15:24 Mazzerin: cryptic did yo udie

15:24 Cryptic: no no

15:24 Cryptic: just making sure I didn't miss anything

15:24 Cryptic: almost done

15:24 Cryptic: like 30 seconds left

15:24 Cryptic: I'm gonna get shit on tho man

15:24 Cryptic: considering I nazi'd Empress yesterday and am flaming this today

15:25 Cryptic: inb4 loctav kicks me

15:25 Mazzerin: you're doing it for a good cause

15:25 Cryptic: rip

15:25 Cryptic: cool cool everything is in order

15:25 Cryptic: let me get the post ready and then I'll flame