DAVE NAVARRO: How did it go for you last night?

NINJA: It was abstract, but I loved it.

NAVARRO: I looked at your setlist, and you didn’t do “Enter The Ninja.” How come?

NINJA: We just gauge our shows sometimes, and when we enter a totally new audience, I think we kind of have shell shock. You just gauge it. You’re doing a performance, but it’s relative to who’s there.

NAVARRO: Absolutely. We go through the same thing all the time. We’ll have a setlist ready to go and then based on the reaction—sometimes it’s the room, too—will dictate how our set goes. I find, personally, I like the size and the room in big venues like that, but I don’t necessarily like the seats.

NINJA: Oh, yeah. The seats are weird. We’d never actually played a show in our lives with seats.

NAVARRO: Oh, is that right?

NINJA: Yeah. That was our first time.

NAVARRO: We go through that, too. It’s kind of a double-edged sword, because you get the room and the stage, you get to have a lot of people, but they’re all sitting there, and it’s not the most inspiring of environments.

NINJA: But it’s cool. We’ve been doing different stuff before this. So when we worked out Die Antwoord, it was a strange type of thing—the sound and the style and everything. I think the last five years, we’ve been working out what we wanted. In South Africa, we’ve got a real small fan base, but they’re, like, super fierce. But a lot of the time, the majority doesn’t—they’re a bit retarded in South Africa. A lot of times you’re doing a show and you’re kind of at the mercy of a retarded audience. Usually you have a lot of these idiots standing around half-watching. We wanted to make a show that’s more like attack. It doesn’t matter if you’re into it or not. The show has almost nothing to do with the audience.

NAVARRO: I actually find that problem with the world at large. I’ve been into you guys for many years. Let me say first that Jane’s Addiction is super-happy and honored to have you guys playing with us.

NINJA: And vice versa. Thanks so much for inviting us. It’s the first time we’ve opened or rolled with someone that we actually like. It’s kind of weird for us, opening for people. It’s real peachy that you guys asked us.

NAVARRO: I’ve been fighting to get you guys to play with us for over maybe a year and a half now. There’s a couple of reasons. One, because I feel that you guys really ignite the audience in an unusual way and you also inspire us and ignite us in a different way than say, a similar-genre band playing with us. If we have two rock bands it becomes more of an obvious show. Die Antwoord is such a lifestyle band. That’s kind of where we come from in Hollywood; we’re really a lifestyle band. People either got it and loved it or hated it.