Erik Broes: _Grum, Minecrft developer for Mojang

[3/06/2014 9:21:00 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik didn't like selling unbans (among other things) but I'm not sure he's thought it through. From my perspective they aren't a profit center. They are easily under 1% of sales. But the challenge is what do you do with a cheater that's spent a lot of money at your server? Do you really ban them the first time they use a mini-map client without a way for them to get back?

The charge is designed to be a slap on the wrist that makes them want to not want to do it again.

[3/06/2014 9:24:56 PM] 9gigsofram: often they'll just buy a new minecraft account also

[3/06/2014 9:26:28 PM] WoodysGamertag: When we give out the "permaban" we also ban all the accounts that shared IPs. It's actually pretty rare that somebody gets all three strikes. They either stop cheating or they tone it down enough not to get caught.

[3/06/2014 9:31:24 PM] Erik Broes: We had a nice discussion at the office. Most likely we'll have a handful of points in our new EULA and that should be enough to tame the bad stuff.

[3/06/2014 9:32:23 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: this will be interesting see happen

[3/06/2014 9:32:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik has mojang employed a PR department for this? so you still look like a loverly 7 year olds game development company who is all nice?

[3/06/2014 9:34:33 PM] WoodysGamertag: I'm not sure what the "bad stuff" is. I assume selling in game items?

[3/06/2014 9:35:27 PM] WoodysGamertag: Unbans are more an act of kindness. The alternative is issuing the death penalty at the first offense.

[3/06/2014 9:36:26 PM] dithrlos: ^actually a fair way to look at things

[3/06/2014 9:36:37 PM] dithrlos: that's why using temp bans are also effective.

[3/06/2014 9:38:37 PM] WoodysGamertag: Yeah, there are some guys that I'd love to ban on the first offense but don't because we try to make our "justice system" equal and fair to everybody. The only exception is certain player to player interactions like IRL money scamming, racism, etc.

[3/06/2014 9:46:34 PM] WoodysGamertag: Also, I saw Reno was angry because I pay my staff. That's actually something I'm proud of. My father owned a small business and I worked there when I was young. (the 90's). After I left I realized how generous his retirement plan was. When I asked him about it he said, "Well, the firm does pretty well and I think it's important to share it with the people that helped get it there."

I could pocket a lot more than I do. I have fans that would write code and build for free. I send money to guys that didn't ask for it and most of my staff started off doing it for free. They just became too helpful for me to keep accepting their work and not paying for it. They earned appreciation and money is how companies say, "Thank you."

Paying people isn't bad, it's the way a good business gives back.

[3/06/2014 9:48:52 PM] dithrlos: ^^^^

[3/06/2014 9:49:01 PM] dithrlos: the amount of correctness in that statement.

[3/06/2014 9:52:51 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, enough from me for now. Time to drive the kids to school.

[3/06/2014 9:53:54 PM] dithrlos: have fun! tell collin he's awesome and tell hope to kick ass today XD

[3/06/2014 10:02:31 PM] dillyg10: See Erik… and Woody does make a great point. Minecraft provides a lively hood for some people. It's inspired thousands of young developers, architects, business managers, and sysadmins alike. I honestly would have learned NOTHING about the world I know today without Minecraft teaching me that. I'm 16 years old, and I know more about programming than most 30 year old IT guys, and that's a blessing. The profit is the icing on the cake, but it's the motive that drives us to say "hey, maybe instead of fucking around on Diablo, let's work on something great."

[3/06/2014 10:04:00 PM] Erik Broes: It actually matters nothing if you build a business around this

[3/06/2014 10:04:22 PM] Erik Broes: You can build a business around anything that isn't allowed -- you are not allowed to complain about it when someone stops you from doing so.

[3/06/2014 10:04:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik

[3/06/2014 10:04:53 PM] Erik Broes: You should also not run a server for 'profits' -- it should be to offer a nice experience for the users on it

[3/06/2014 10:04:54 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: I'm not going to sit here and tell you you're retarded or anything

[3/06/2014 10:05:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: but please just sit here and listen to this

[3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just for a moment.

[3/06/2014 10:05:09 PM] Erik Broes: Except that you just did by still talking now

[3/06/2014 10:05:20 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't put words in my mouth.

[3/06/2014 10:05:36 PM] Erik Broes: Erm, you said it; its like saying: "I don't mean to offend you but …."

[3/06/2014 10:05:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: minecraft relies on it's servers, and on youtubers.

[3/06/2014 10:05:50 PM] Erik Broes: it doesn't

[3/06/2014 10:05:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yes it does.

[3/06/2014 10:05:58 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik

[3/06/2014 10:06:00 PM] Erik Broes: Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a day

[3/06/2014 10:06:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: k

[3/06/2014 10:06:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you don't understand

[3/06/2014 10:06:17 PM | Edited 10:06:25 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you know full well, that sprarkelz and yogscast kicked off minecraft properly

[3/06/2014 10:06:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it wouldn't HAVE that support without servers and youtube

[3/06/2014 10:06:27 PM] Erik Broes: no you don't understand that you cannot just 'say things' and magically 'turn them into truths' without actually having facts to back it up

[3/06/2014 10:06:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: there are facts to back it up.

[3/06/2014 10:06:52 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I don't care enough to prove you wrong on that

[3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Erik Broes: Oh, you have numbers that we cannot obtain? let us know please.

[3/06/2014 10:06:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i've been in this business just as long as you erik

[3/06/2014 10:07:07 PM] Erik Broes: And that is where you go wrong

[3/06/2014 10:07:10 PM] Erik Broes: its not a business

[3/06/2014 10:07:16 PM] Erik Broes: running servers is *NOT* A BUSINESS*

[3/06/2014 10:07:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: (facepalm)

[3/06/2014 10:07:29 PM] dillyg10: Erik, look my point is this. Minecraft server profitability does more good than harm.

[3/06/2014 10:07:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: that's not what i was saying

[3/06/2014 10:07:38 PM] Erik Broes: you *cannot* create your business around something you are not allowed to make profit on -- well you can, but you'd be rather daft

[3/06/2014 10:07:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik

[3/06/2014 10:07:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: out of interest

[3/06/2014 10:07:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: this is like arguing against a brick wall.

[3/06/2014 10:08:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is mojang prepared to attack EVERY server which has a donation system?

[3/06/2014 10:08:06 PM] Erik Broes: No

[3/06/2014 10:08:12 PM] Erik Broes: Donations are allowed by our EULA

[3/06/2014 10:08:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik

[3/06/2014 10:08:27 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: as you can't pick and chose who to take down

[3/06/2014 10:08:32 PM] Erik Broes: but we'll most likely hack down on the fact that most people give 'perks' for donations -- which under almost all laws makes it a purchase

[3/06/2014 10:09:00 PM] dillyg10: Erik, people don't see the point of donating for a cause that isn't a charity

[3/06/2014 10:09:04 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you do realize that if mojang starts hitting down these servers people won't stand for it. minecraft won't last for more then 5 more months

[3/06/2014 10:09:08 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik you know how many issues blizzard had with this?

[3/06/2014 10:09:11 PM] dillyg10: You're going to loose large constructed servers like Hypixel

[3/06/2014 10:09:15 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: when the did it with WoW

[3/06/2014 10:09:20 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: lol stop making these retarded wild accusations

[3/06/2014 10:09:34 PM] dillyg10: That retain such high player counts because they create something that's full, beautiful and amazing and helps retain players into the game.

[3/06/2014 10:09:38 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik

[3/06/2014 10:09:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Jake this is kinda wild :P

[3/06/2014 10:09:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i'd like to speak to your supervisor

[3/06/2014 10:09:50 PM] Erik Broes: I don't see how having 10k people is 'worth' anything

[3/06/2014 10:09:59 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: trust me you dont hahaha

[3/06/2014 10:10:01 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Status? Ego?

[3/06/2014 10:10:16 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik is Partick your supervisor on these matters?

[3/06/2014 10:10:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: for misrepresenting mojang and verbally attacking an individual.

[3/06/2014 10:10:24 PM] Erik Broes: Max: no

[3/06/2014 10:10:27 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: http://gyazo.com/2a0055324fd1d8a39251b18de0d3a80d

[3/06/2014 10:10:29 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: actually does he still work at mojang as the business manager

[3/06/2014 10:10:33 PM | Edited 10:10:50 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: is it work me skpying him?

[3/06/2014 10:10:41 PM] Erik Broes: I'm not verbally attacking anything :)

[3/06/2014 10:10:54 PM] Erik Broes: also, i said your accusations are retarded; not that *YOU* are retarded

[3/06/2014 10:10:59 PM] Erik Broes: biiig difference

[3/06/2014 10:11:03 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: not very

[3/06/2014 10:11:07 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: be careful fine lines there :P

[3/06/2014 10:11:19 PM] Erik Broes: oh yes, i make sure not to cross those lines ;)

[3/06/2014 10:11:21 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: if I represent those statements completely

[3/06/2014 10:11:26 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik, is Patrick a good person to talk to about this?

[3/06/2014 10:11:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: if you want to have a worse experience than me? nope :P

[3/06/2014 10:11:39 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: whatever not worth continuing that

[3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and erik

[3/06/2014 10:11:43 PM | Edited 10:11:55 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: will he have a thicker brick wall?

[3/06/2014 10:11:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: can we get a better experience?

[3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Erik Broes: Just for funsies, both Nathan and I have a less extreme vision for the future than the rest of us here if i were to go by the meeting we had this morning

[3/06/2014 10:11:58 PM] Craig Egerton: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 10:05 PM] Erik Broes:

<<< Minecraft still sells 10k+ copies a daythink about how many of those accounts log in to multiplayer, even on XBLA

[3/06/2014 10:12:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or a direction to a new game that will support us?

[3/06/2014 10:12:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can I come visit? and listen in?:P

[3/06/2014 10:12:30 PM] Erik Broes: Max: you'll get the news 'asap'

[3/06/2014 10:12:39 PM] Erik Broes: but hey, that's what they said to me 7mths ago

[3/06/2014 10:12:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik

[3/06/2014 10:12:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: tell us this

[3/06/2014 10:12:51 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: i've always known it was going to happen

[3/06/2014 10:13:02 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: well it's always been obvious

[3/06/2014 10:13:12 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: are we in a spot where we're going to have to pull our investments and leave?

[3/06/2014 10:13:13 PM] Erik Broes: Keep in mind, nothing is changing -- we're just making it more clear what you *can* and cannot do

[3/06/2014 10:13:25 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: if you have done your investments in a wrong thing, probably

[3/06/2014 10:13:31 PM] Erik Broes: you can still make money, just not the way you are doing it now

[3/06/2014 10:13:44 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: you CANNOT sell in game perks basiclly

[3/06/2014 10:13:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so selling builds is illegal?

[3/06/2014 10:13:47 PM] Erik Broes: we'll actually explicitly *LET* you make money in what we discussed this morning

[3/06/2014 10:13:49 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just wondering

[3/06/2014 10:14:14 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: am I getting the right idea there?

[3/06/2014 10:14:15 PM] Erik Broes: so in fact the new 'thing' is better than the old -- which explicitly says you *CANNOT* make money

[3/06/2014 10:14:34 PM] Erik Broes: Max: replace perks with 'anything'

[3/06/2014 10:14:40 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ok

[3/06/2014 10:14:45 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: that's fine by me

[3/06/2014 10:14:53 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so basically mc's done

[3/06/2014 10:14:56 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: good to know

[3/06/2014 10:15:01 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: why? nothing changes?

[3/06/2014 10:15:03 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'll be changing my business model

[3/06/2014 10:15:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: "buisness model"

[3/06/2014 10:15:22 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way of funding my server

[3/06/2014 10:15:53 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: anyway Erik, that has cleared up some issues

[3/06/2014 10:15:59 PM] dillyg10: O_o

[3/06/2014 10:16:01 PM] Erik Broes: We'll give you a way to fund your server besides donations -- or at least that is our idea sofar

[3/06/2014 10:16:05 PM | Edited 10:16:12 PM] dillyg10: What other way do you think of doing it?

[3/06/2014 10:16:06 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: ad system?

[3/06/2014 10:16:17 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: way to stop people for making thousands and only a little just enough to pay for servers

[3/06/2014 10:16:55 PM] Erik Broes: meh I cannot go into it more right now

[3/06/2014 10:17:05 PM] Erik Broes: because nothing is actually decided upon

[3/06/2014 10:17:09 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha a :P referal links for realms

[3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM] Erik Broes: and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context

[3/06/2014 10:17:11 PM] dillyg10: Understood :P

[3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] dillyg10: Just keep us in the look when you can Erik

[3/06/2014 10:17:34 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 8:47 AM, Erik Broes wrote:

> and whatever I'll say here will be raped from context

(heart)

[3/06/2014 10:17:51 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: don't feed the trolls erik, don't feed the trolls.

[3/06/2014 10:17:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: rule number 1.

[3/06/2014 10:17:56 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: As long as it's opt in / out I Don't care

[3/06/2014 10:18:13 PM] dillyg10: And also keep in mind how many people here really love the game, and really love what we have the oppruntunity to do with the game :).

[3/06/2014 10:18:20 PM] Erik Broes: we're not going to be trackign anything of this

[3/06/2014 10:18:25 PM] Erik Broes: we are not interested in that

[3/06/2014 10:18:56 PM] Erik Broes: if you are on a server, your experience should be the same as every other player

[3/06/2014 10:18:57 PM] Erik Broes: we just do not want people to mix the pools of 'paying people' and 'nonpaying people'

[3/06/2014 10:19:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's not pay to win

[3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Erik Broes: yes, but also no 'showoff perks i bought'

[3/06/2014 10:19:25 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: thats how it's set

[3/06/2014 10:19:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's pay to add accessory

[3/06/2014 10:19:29 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: or to speed up

[3/06/2014 10:19:33 PM] Erik Broes: yes, not allowed

[3/06/2014 10:19:48 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik can you confirm or deny my pm plz (heart)

[3/06/2014 10:20:28 PM] Erik Broes: You would be able to charge for access to your server

[3/06/2014 10:20:34 PM] Erik Broes: and take donations

[3/06/2014 10:20:40 PM] Erik Broes: and that's it.

[3/06/2014 10:21:24 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Pay2Play has never worked ;)

[3/06/2014 10:24:22 PM] Erik Broes: Then make donations work :)

[3/06/2014 10:24:46 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: haha :P

[3/06/2014 10:32:19 PM] TATIMBLIN: Perhaps if more servers did pay2play it would be more customary and easier accepted by players. I can see it hard to do know since you'd be the only one most people would just find another server.

[3/06/2014 10:33:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: actually erik

[3/06/2014 10:33:45 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it would be great if you would just use mine realms to us

[3/06/2014 10:33:59 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: make it so we can buy licenses to run a server.

[3/06/2014 10:34:07 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: then we can host how we wish

[3/06/2014 10:34:22 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: and boom

[3/06/2014 10:34:24 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: you make money

[3/06/2014 10:34:26 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: we make money

[3/06/2014 10:34:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: all good

[3/06/2014 10:34:35 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it'll cut out the bad servers

[3/06/2014 10:34:41 PM] dillyg10: Hey, dithrolos

[3/06/2014 10:34:45 PM] dillyg10: Discussion isover

[3/06/2014 10:34:51 PM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds

[3/06/2014 10:34:53 PM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens

[3/06/2014 10:34:54 PM] dillyg10: move on

[3/06/2014 10:37:18 PM] || Moses ||: Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?

[3/06/2014 10:37:37 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 9:06 AM, shadow_moses54 wrote:

> Wait Erik, so donations wont be allowed anymore?

(facepalm) Read.

[3/06/2014 10:37:42 PM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 8:53 AM, Erik Broes wrote:

> Then make donations work :)

[3/06/2014 10:37:50 PM] || Moses ||: Its over 500 msgs.. .-.

[3/06/2014 10:38:05 PM] dillyg10: Then spend over 2 second reading through them

[3/06/2014 10:38:23 PM] TATIMBLIN: ^^jake brings up the biggest issue I see with servers. When someone quickly makes a server and has enough money to pay the first month thinking donations will cover the rest. Then a few donations come in for "lifetime" ranks. But not enough and they close the server and keep the money.

[3/06/2014 10:39:04 PM] dillyg10: [6/3/14 9:03:44 AM] dillyg10: Hey, TATIMBLIN

[6/3/14 9:03:48 AM] dillyg10: Discussion isover

[6/3/14 9:03:54 AM] dillyg10: Erik and Mojang are making up their minds

[6/3/14 9:03:56 AM] dillyg10: we'll see what happens

[6/3/14 9:03:57 AM] dillyg10: move on

[3/06/2014 10:39:40 PM] TATIMBLIN: Ooook

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[3/06/2014 11:02:47 PM] WoodysGamertag: Erik: You're suggesting a model where the players have no incentive to donate. That would be the death of servers. I don't understand how you can't see that these servers help mojang.

[3/06/2014 11:03:06 PM] WoodysGamertag: Ok, it's not the way you like to play but why would you take away what other people want?

[3/06/2014 11:04:17 PM] WoodysGamertag: The world is filled with factions players that love what we do. It's filled with mini-game players that love what Hypixel does. All of them buy minecraft because of it.

[3/06/2014 11:04:54 PM] WoodysGamertag: But now I hear, "Sorry, I don't like the player experience on your server. I'm going to end it."

Why? I have sastified customers.

[3/06/2014 11:05:56 PM] WoodysGamertag: I have guys that play every waking moment and have enough faith in my team that the moment we tease something new they are chomping at the bit to get more details about it. It's a thriving server with a faithful community. There are no victims here.

[3/06/2014 11:07:13 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: again with the good point woody, i mean it's a situation where if it's not broken, why fix it.

[3/06/2014 11:35:55 PM] Erik Broes: WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donate?

[3/06/2014 11:36:28 PM] Erik Broes: Jake: it is broken, so we're going to be fixing it

[3/06/2014 11:36:50 PM] Erik Broes: And you sortof have to thank yourselves for not following the rules in the first place and having it become more and more broken

[3/06/2014 11:37:43 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Can i ask, what if you view on the server situation, and why (if its been in your terms) do you take action now?

[3/06/2014 11:39:22 PM] Erik Broes: My personal view? its hard to create a proper line between acceptable and non-acceptable microtransactions

[3/06/2014 11:39:53 PM] Erik Broes: anything that changes gamebalance in any way or temps by either peerpresure or simple greed to extract money from people is a huge no-no for me

[3/06/2014 11:39:58 PM] Drew: I can't wait to see minecraft die because Erik's retarded expectations

[3/06/2014 11:40:09 PM] Erik Broes: This is less extreme than the planned changes

[3/06/2014 11:40:55 PM] Drew: I really don't think mojang would like the fact that one of their employees is in a chat flamming and arguing with mowing customers

[3/06/2014 11:41:04 PM] Drew: Mojang*

[3/06/2014 11:41:21 PM] Drew: I for one will not be buying anything else mojang

[3/06/2014 11:41:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: ^

[3/06/2014 11:42:00 PM] craig-egerton: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes:

<<< WoodyGamertag: how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donate?most people dont realise what they have till its gone

[3/06/2014 11:42:01 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: erik

[3/06/2014 11:42:18 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": honestly i don't see minecraft dieing, even if mojang changes things, i would assume people would work around the system, and/or work with the system, but if they have it in the terms at the moment and yet nothing had happened, i still don't see why they are changing it now?

[3/06/2014 11:43:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so grum

[3/06/2014 11:43:20 PM] WoodysGamertag: [Tuesday, 3 June 2014 11:35 PM] Erik Broes:

<<< how is 'having the server around' not a good enough reason to donateIt's just not. I like wikipedia but I've never donated. Have you? It's just kind of somebody else's responsibilty. People won't support the server if they get nothing in return other than having it around. I suspect that deep down you know that too.

[3/06/2014 11:43:21 PM] Drew: I used to like mojang but Erik made me realize they are not a good company

[3/06/2014 11:43:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: remember that mod api you were supposed to do 2 years ago?

[3/06/2014 11:43:30 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yeah hows that coming.

[3/06/2014 11:44:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: oh and grum

[3/06/2014 11:44:44 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: just remember what got you started.

[3/06/2014 11:44:47 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: bukkit

[3/06/2014 11:44:58 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: which wouldn't have happened without these larger servers.

[3/06/2014 11:45:16 PM] WoodysGamertag: People look at the price of a rank and say, "OMG, it's horrible. How can they charge that?"

It's optional. You can play at WoodyCraft for free. It's just time consuming to mine diamonds and enchant armor. I've never said, "OMG, my son has hundreds of dollars of minecraft stuff animals. How can they charge that?"

It was optional, I don't blame you for charging $40 for a toy. I could have decided not to buy it. Instead, my son is a happy customer who sleeps with creepers and enderman.

[3/06/2014 11:45:28 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: so why, you of ALL people, are you attacking people who helped you get started.

[3/06/2014 11:45:46 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: especially when these server provide content for youtubers, who bring in all of your players.

[3/06/2014 11:45:55 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: it's just ridiculous.

[3/06/2014 11:49:18 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: also

[3/06/2014 11:49:36 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: why the fuck would you attack your biggest supporters for events like minecon

[3/06/2014 11:49:48 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: one booth alone has sold for 30 grand in the past.

[3/06/2014 11:50:17 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: what makes that kind of a loss worth it for a $13 a month server host.

[3/06/2014 11:50:47 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: Oh a more happy note:

http://gyazo.com/f26dd75501491a26ae83730a43a58f4e

[3/06/2014 11:50:53 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: just got that tweet from a sticker company :$

[3/06/2014 11:51:10 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: lol

[3/06/2014 11:51:12 PM] Drew: Really the only people these plans will hurt is the honest servers, the bad servers won't give two fucks and continue doing bad stuff

[3/06/2014 11:51:23 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: yup.

[3/06/2014 11:51:43 PM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: i mean most big servers wouldn't mind giving a license fee to mojang too.

[3/06/2014 11:52:49 PM] Max | Sraph LTD: nobodey would

[3/06/2014 11:54:17 PM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": well, if that cuts out the servers that just join to make money, like with $500 ranks... (usually smaller servers)

[3/06/2014 11:56:53 PM] Erik Broes: On 03/06/2014, at 16:13, Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™ wrote:

> remember that mod api you were supposed to do 2 years ago?

Which one?

[3/06/2014 11:57:36 PM] Erik Broes: I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod api :(

[3/06/2014 11:58:12 PM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:27 AM, Erik Broes wrote:

> I've never ever said anything ever about doing a mod api :(

But mojang did, whether you like it or not that's what they called it

[3/06/2014 11:58:51 PM] Erik Broes: Not sure how that matters? :)

[3/06/2014 11:59:12 PM] Erik Broes: Notch also said we'd have a 'license for the api that would cost money'

[3/06/2014 11:59:41 PM] Erik Broes: As long as the people that scream things are not actually working on those things, I'd just ignore them if I were you :)

[12:00:00 AM] Drew: It matters you know what's he's talking about you don't need to be an ass about it

[12:00:43 AM] Erik Broes: I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA in any way

[12:00:48 AM] Erik Broes: it just feels a bit stupid :D

[12:01:25 AM] Erik Broes: It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is not right and still you do it

[12:01:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: Grum

[12:02:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: you guys can't enforce this

[12:03:01 AM] Erik Broes: We actually can

[12:03:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: how?

[12:03:36 AM] Drew: Its really quite easy

[12:03:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: There is many ways around it

[12:04:00 AM] Erik Broes: We'll ask nicely and then send really mean lawyers :)

[12:04:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: aure

[12:04:08 AM] aa2202aa2202: sure

[12:04:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: go track down every server

[12:04:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": how are you going to enforce this to all the servers lol

[12:04:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: Also I will have a thing saying that the purchases are not related

[12:04:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: to mojang

[12:04:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Mojang fucks up their game

[12:04:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": no offence but that will give a bad name to mojang, and also will waste a hell of a lot of money

[12:04:55 AM] Erik Broes: If they are not related to mojang you won't see them ingame :)

[12:05:21 AM] aa2202aa2202: Il sell a code

[12:05:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: then people with that code

[12:05:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: get rewards

[12:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: not really, as a gaming company defending your own IP is not 'weird', especially if you have very tolerant rules on how people *can* make money with your game

[12:06:07 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": not to put the fact that you will be going after a majority of underage kids who want to play the game with there friends and give people who want to help pay for the server, by giving them in game stuff, a knock on the door

[12:06:07 AM] publicpwner21: could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.

[12:06:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^

[12:06:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will eventually die

[12:06:31 AM] Erik Broes: we're not going after the kids

[12:06:34 AM] Erik Broes: obviously not :)

[12:06:52 AM] Erik Broes: Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter ;)

[12:07:06 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": but thats what it is, i can name hundreds of server that make money and they are run by underage kids

[12:07:11 AM] Erik Broes: I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?

[12:07:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: You clearly don't know a lot

[12:07:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: about the community

[12:07:43 AM] Drew: He clearly knows nothing about anything

[12:07:49 AM] publicpwner21: [12:06 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< Mason: and we'd take down that without sending a nice letter ;)did you send a letter to cube world?

[12:07:52 AM] WoodysGamertag: I feel like these threats and attempts to catch Erik in some kind of logic trap aren't productive. The fact is minecraft owns the IP and have the right to do what they want with it.

I just wish they saw it as a partnership like I do.

[12:08:05 AM] Leet: [12:08 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< I truly do not see what you guys have so much problems with?Because you're talking to a bunch of people who make a living off of running servers.

[12:08:06 AM] Erik Broes: I've seen no threats at all?

[12:08:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:01 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< It's like complaining after a cop gives you a ticket jaywalking, you *KNOW* it is not right and still you do itOnly in that situation, it's possible that the person won't get caught

[12:08:26 AM] Erik Broes: Ah! Maybe that is the problem, servers are not to make a living off at all

[12:08:30 AM] Erik Broes: maybe you forgot to read our EULA

[12:08:41 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: and that is still the case

[12:08:45 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:38 AM, Erik Broes wrote:

> maybe you forgot to read our EULA

Maybe you forgot what makes your game what it is

[12:08:46 AM] WoodysGamertag: It's been a win/win. Servers like mine have extended the life of minecraft and the players love the game more than they would if it was just survival.

[12:09:20 AM] Drew: Mojang just wants a bunch of survival clones now

[12:09:26 AM] Drew: So the game will just die

[12:09:33 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^

[12:09:34 AM] Drew: No one will dev or create for it anymore

[12:09:46 AM] Erik Broes: Why would it be impossible to have a game-mode or a minigame somewhere?

[12:10:00 AM] WoodysGamertag: While I don't love the phrasing, Drew is on to something. Servers have made minecraft more than it would be if it was only from mojang.

[12:10:01 AM] Erik Broes: Or is it only possible if there are big amounts of money involved?

[12:10:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one will spend 20 euro

[12:10:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on survival

[12:10:18 AM] Drew: No one will have time to spent hours and hours creating stuff anymore

[12:10:39 AM] xerucide: Guize, guize, you'll never guess what I just saw

[12:10:42 AM] xerucide: A server

[12:10:45 AM] xerucide: That has a paid...

[12:10:53 AM] xerucide: DEV rank

[12:10:59 AM] Drew: I for one have spent the last year creating stuff only to find out now that was all useless

[12:11:25 AM] Erik Broes: Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare time?

[12:11:39 AM] Erik Broes: Isn't this how all your tools and even the game has been created initially? :)

[12:11:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Erik, do you think mojang will plan to shut down all money making server schemes, or don't you think if that was the case to try to salvage it and make it in to something you can work with? So it can benefit all of us?

[12:12:06 AM] Erik Broes: Plans sofar are that you will have a way to make money

[12:12:06 AM] Drew: I feel like the way mojang treats us we should just shut down and move one

[12:12:21 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 10:41 AM, Erik Broes wrote:

> Wait, so people do not create anything in their spare time?

Its not spare time for a lot of us

[12:12:24 AM] Erik Broes: which is actualyl FAR better than it is now, as the EULA says you have no way to make money ;P

[12:12:36 AM] Drew: Maybe a few people sure

[12:12:44 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": and will it effect the players gameplay on our servers?

[12:13:32 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: maybe that is your mistake then?

[12:13:53 AM] Erik Broes: I mean, you just decided to only do things for money eventhough there are no money flows allowed from the things you do this for?

[12:13:56 AM] WoodysGamertag: I spend all my waking hours working on my server. Honestly, it's about 18 hours a day 7 days a week. I'm sure that servers like Hypixel have guys (or teams of guys) doing the same. If you take away the profit motive then the pros will leave and only amateurs will be interested.

YouTube went through a similar change in reverse. When they started monetizing channels people like CaptSparklez were born. The pros rolled in and made high effort videos.

[12:14:09 AM] Erik Broes: Seems like a simple thing you'd look at before you start on that

[12:14:12 AM] WoodysGamertag: It will hurt minecraft for sure.

[12:14:15 AM] TATIMBLIN: I've been ready through most of this and wanted chime in. It seems a great example to what kind of servers you are trying to make is the planetminecraft server. http://www.planetminecraft.com/server/planetminecraft-official-server/

[12:14:56 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: I think Erik's just a douchebag who should've been fired when he never did what he was hired for

[12:14:58 AM] TATIMBLIN: *reading

[12:15:02 AM] Erik Broes: Why do you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money involved?

[12:15:07 AM] Erik Broes: that is just sad :)

[12:15:15 AM | Edited 12:15:16 AM] Erik Broes: (and very greedy)

[12:15:37 AM] Erik Broes: strange, I'm still doing that every day :/

[12:15:56 AM] Erik Broes: I never did what i was hired for?

[12:15:59 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": lol reno, i think thats a bit too far haha

[12:16:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: No

[12:16:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: He did do his work

[12:16:26 AM] xerucide: My god shit is going down in this chat

[12:16:26 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Working on the mod API?

[12:16:30 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Weird, we still don't have one

[12:16:34 AM] Erik Broes: It's retarded logic, if I wouldn't be doing the work I'd be hired for wouldn't I already be fired? :)

[12:16:36 AM] xerucide: And I'm over here fiddling with myself

[12:16:40 AM] aa2202aa2202: winter

[12:16:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: Its not just the mod API

[12:16:50 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: oh, and the fact that you do not have one means we're not working on it? :)

[12:17:03 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: [12:16 AM] Xeru:

<<< And I'm over here fiddling with myselfWe don't need to know you're masturbating

[12:17:08 AM] Erik Broes: Do you even logic? :D

[12:18:11 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": If you knew that server were breaking the EULA, then why give them a panel at Minecon? That saying 'Hey look these are the guys that break our rules, and you should listen to them as they help others break our rules!'

[12:18:25 AM] Erik Broes: Nikolaous: I'll bring an extra shirt :D

[12:18:40 AM] Erik Broes: and why would you egg me? you are actually getting a 'sortof heads up' -- be happy :)

[12:18:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^

[12:18:59 AM] TATIMBLIN: Erik: I think minecraft servers could have run without money, but capped at a max of around 200 players. However since money has been introduced it would be hard to go back that state. I'd also like to ask what you plan to do about leveling the playing field when people already have ranks

[12:19:19 AM] Erik Broes: So who broke the rules that we gave a panel? :/ (just curious, it doesn't actually matter obviously)

[12:20:19 AM] Erik Broes: You can have ranks obviously, you just cannot buy them with hard cash :)

[12:20:30 AM] TATIMBLIN: It be hard to take all of the paid ranks away from the millions of users, and if you let them keep it would be even more unfair, due to now instead of paying to get equal opportunities ingame it is just physically impossible

[12:20:51 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": Overcast Network, Hypixel, Shotbow, they all answer questions about server, and even helped some kids get some donations in to sell things with BuyCraft!

[12:21:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: You can easily get around it

[12:21:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: One can donate a specific amount

[12:21:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: then you specify the ranks in game

[12:21:29 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:14 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< Why do you instantly say that it is absolutely impossible to make anything unless there is money involved?Because pros work for money. I think the youtube example is a great one. Sparklez hired an animation team, a vocalist, etc. I hire developers, admins, support staff, etc. You get top quality work when you pay for it. If you hope that the online multiplayer experience will continue to expand or even stay where it is without a profit motive than you're kidding yourself.

To be honest, this feels more like an attack on the community than a move in mojang's best interest. I can't understand your motivation.

[12:21:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: or something

[12:21:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^

[12:21:53 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: yeaaaaah and you get to solve that isn't that fun!! You created this unbalance that was purely fed by greed

[12:21:55 AM] WoodysGamertag: Every server owner breaks the EULA, every single one.

[12:22:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": This was also broadcasted on the Minecraft Youtube Channel, so you promoted that you can have a server like these guys, who make money and who just helped people at a Minecraft Convention which you arranged them to do

[12:22:42 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope, because then it's not a donation

[12:23:01 AM] Erik Broes: Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations or perks for donations

[12:23:10 AM] TATIMBLIN: I haven't made anything from ranks so 1. Don't judge me and 2. It is your game

[12:23:49 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ^ lol, please show me

[12:23:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: Don't get me wrong

[12:23:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: But many methods to get around it

[12:24:30 AM] Erik Broes: tatimblin: good to hear you are not selling ranks then :)

[12:25:42 AM] WoodysGamertag: [12:22 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< Woody: not true, servers exists that do not do microtransations or perks for donationsCan you name some? I'm curious if they are popular.

[12:25:48 AM] aa2202aa2202: 60% of servers will shut down

[12:25:57 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": did you know that the people in the panel at Minecon were breaking your EULA?

[12:26:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Minecraft will slowely die

[12:26:12 AM] craig-egerton: [12:00 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< I don't see how you can justify breaking the EULA in any waypoints like this, no one has here, we are talking about making the EULA stupid

[12:26:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: Mhm we did ranks based on points that couldn't be bought. And setup a way to donate for nothing

[12:26:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then 1 day mojang will regret their decision

[12:27:15 AM] Erik Broes: no, talking about rewording the EULA so you actually get more rights :)

[12:27:47 AM] Erik Broes: Tatimblin: that seems like a nice system, according to everyone in here your server either sucks super hard or it will die in days

[12:28:17 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": ohhhhhh so you still won't enforce the EULA, but just change it so that we have some rights?

[12:28:40 AM] WoodysGamertag: I like the rights we have now, EULA non-enforcement :)

[12:28:45 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": So nothing will change but actually giving us some right to do things

[12:29:06 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just have players donate

[12:29:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: on forums

[12:29:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: they save they donated

[12:29:15 AM] aa2202aa2202: then give them ranks

[12:29:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: So easy to bypass

[12:29:18 AM] aa2202aa2202: :)

[12:29:22 AM] TATIMBLIN: There were about 30 people on, so it was nice for a while (30 is good for just creative IMO)

[12:29:28 AM] aa2202aa2202: Have it as a donation payment

[12:29:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: And add MC username to reason

[12:29:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: What can mojang do

[12:29:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: without a webstore

[12:30:16 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: nope, you cannot 'give' people ranks based on an outside payment :)

[12:30:50 AM] Erik Broes: It's really simple, money you spend outside of the game cannot reflect inside the game at all

[12:30:54 AM] Iphonetips1 "SaiCoGaming": dw I'm sure BuyCraft will come up with a way around it haha

[12:31:14 AM] Jake / Dithrlos™ /ZionicGaming™: On 6/3/14, at 10:36 AM, Mason // PixelPrison wrote:

> could we get someone working on a minecraft rip? so that after all of the servers for minecraft are gone we have something to continue with.

not making a rip, but I'm developing something better.

[12:31:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: How will you monitor this

[12:31:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: I will have a donate button

[12:31:38 AM] aa2202aa2202: no ranks mentioned

[12:31:39 AM] TATIMBLIN: Though it was too expensive for not making any money so we all left to a server that was hosted by a bigger server in return for builds

[12:31:59 AM] aa2202aa2202: Just mention it in game/forums

[12:32:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again

[12:32:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: you can't monitor the ranks I give

[12:32:35 AM] aa2202aa2202: in any way

[12:33:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: And again you can't verify that the people that have ranks have donated

[1:16:55 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Can someone please answer my questions

[1:17:35 AM] Jordan // LOF Network: Is this officially happening? What exactly do we have to change

[2:20:55 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I'm 99% sure they do

[2:22:11 AM] 9gigsofram: That would be increadilbly dumb

[2:22:34 AM] Dan: because Mojang is not a rip off merchant. did you know their game is a 20 euro one time fee, although if you want to play with your friends it would've been free but they closed all big servers for their 10 euro a month (or 120 euro a year) service.

[2:23:24 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Dan

[2:23:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?

[2:23:46 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: not to my knowledge...

[2:25:07 AM] craig-egerton: [2:23 AM] Max | Sraph LTD:

<<< People don't spend 120 euroes a year on server perks?factions etc. they do

[2:26:03 AM] craig-egerton: first year is alot more but they still spend alot

[2:26:26 AM] Dan: I know Max! but if you can't setup a LAN server, or host a server yourself then you're going to need to pay Mojang that to maintain your server for you!

[2:27:06 AM] Dan: correction

[2:27:22 AM] Dan: I doubt merely 50 of them have spent 120 euros

[2:27:30 AM] Dan: 500,000 people have joined my server

[2:27:44 AM] Dan: but if that were realms, they'd need to pay 10 euroes just to get a server with their friends!

[2:30:46 AM] Dan: although, Erik seems pretty confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there)

[2:30:49 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: I've over 750,000 but then i've been around a bit longer

[2:30:52 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: srs dan on 500,000?

[2:31:01 AM] danstoogood: why don't we try that Erik?

[2:31:13 AM] aa2202aa2202: max

[2:31:37 AM] danstoogood: you seem extremely confident that this world is filled with warm hearted people

[2:32:21 AM] bloxparadise_: dan i doubt he's listening to you

[2:33:37 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Yes aa2202

[2:33:46 AM] danstoogood: I doubt that :P

[2:35:05 AM] dillyg10: Same conversation as this morning?

[2:35:23 AM] Gummy: So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?

[2:35:58 AM] lofnetwork: Yep

[2:36:04 AM | Edited 2:38:25 AM] danstoogood: yea dilly, it seems Erik is a hypocrite

[2:36:06 AM] danstoogood: :|

[2:37:05 AM] christian.payne23: Why cant we be friends? Why cant we be friends?

[2:37:44 AM] ilucamc: On 6/3/14, at 19:05, xllgummybearxll wrote:

> So just to clear the air, how is everyone today?

Well tried

[2:38:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Because erik isn't friendly?

[2:39:00 AM] Curtis.: Funny how he ignored the questions about TheHive being shut down.

[2:40:04 AM] bloxparadise_: Like he didn't ignore anyone else

[2:41:01 AM] christian.payne23: He ignored all the questions

[2:41:31 AM] christian.payne23: I want to know how they think its right they get games like The Walls, that originated somewhere else for realms. but are going to close down those servers

[2:41:57 AM] christian.payne23: Without servers like hypixel, or mineplex, or thehive, mojang wont get ideas for realms, so it will fail aswell.

[2:42:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Anyone have a plugin that lets you assign commands to mobs?

[2:43:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: guess what

[2:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: what?

[2:48:21 AM] youaresohistory1: http://imgur.com/a/ZzsYJ

Add me if interested

[2:50:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: youaresohistory

[2:50:42 AM] aa2202aa2202: Is a scammer

[2:50:43 AM] aa2202aa2202: most likely

[2:50:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......

[2:50:57 AM] youaresohistory1: ?

[2:50:59 AM] youaresohistory1: Proof.

[2:51:23 AM] aa2202aa2202: Proof that its yours

[2:51:33 AM] bloxparadise_: What if he has made alot?

[2:51:37 AM] youaresohistory1: Pre-built doesn't mean a scam...

[2:51:45 AM] aa2202aa2202: Ahahha

[2:51:46 AM] aa2202aa2202: thats funny

[2:51:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: I live 20 minutes

[2:51:52 AM] aa2202aa2202: from that castle

[2:51:56 AM] youaresohistory1: Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER!

[2:52:04 AM] craig-egerton: [2:50 AM] Amir:

<<< youaresohistory

Is a scammer

most likely

He has been offering a lot of pre-built maps......he isnt a scammer

[2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Please provide some proof before mindlessly accusing me.

[2:52:08 AM] youaresohistory1: Thanks.

[2:52:34 AM] craig-egerton: pretty sure its a build team behind it

[2:52:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely

[2:52:51 AM] dithrlos: as much as i hate him

[2:52:51 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:21 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben:

> Everytime I post, you're just like: SCAMMER!

First time i said it

[2:52:55 AM] dithrlos: he isn't a scamer

[2:53:05 AM] dithrlos: scammer*

[2:53:29 AM] aa2202aa2202: I said most likely

[2:53:30 AM] aa2202aa2202: -.-

[2:53:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: I was just assuming

[2:53:38 AM] youaresohistory1: Really?

[2:53:50 AM] ilucamc: He really isn't

[2:55:04 AM] youaresohistory1: A pretty bad assumption

[2:55:36 AM] craig-egerton: Amir, we where just informing you your assumption was wrong, that is all

[2:56:16 AM] aa2202aa2202: yeah

[2:57:01 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 19:25 hat youaresohistory1 geschrieben:

> A pretty bad assumption

Not really

[2:57:32 AM] aa2202aa2202: A pretty good one actually a lot of scammers around these days.

[2:58:24 AM] aa2202aa2202: Especially with builds and pre build ones but however since you seem to have a good history I can say that my assumption was false

[2:58:26 AM] aa2202aa2202: But i didn't really know you

[2:58:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: so yeah

[2:58:58 AM] youaresohistory1: So your inference from my picture was: It's prebuilt. Therefore, it's from PMC

[2:59:03 AM] youaresohistory1: :P

[3:00:12 AM] craig-egerton: chill guys, we are all friends here (heart)

[3:00:27 AM] aa2202aa2202: Argument ends here.

[3:00:33 AM] youaresohistory1: Doesn't matter.

[3:09:31 AM] Erik Broes: although, Erik seems pretty confident that everyone would voluntarily pay to Realms and if they didn't it shouldn't be there, right Erik? ([16:36:07] Erik Broes: Dan: then maybe your server shouldn't be there) <-- no realms is like a GSP

[3:09:50 AM] bloxparadise_: is that all you can fucking say

[3:09:52 AM] bloxparadise_: quit your job

[3:09:56 AM] Erik Broes: or rather; we act as a GSP which has nothing to do with microtransactions or other shit servers are pulling :)

[3:10:56 AM] bloxparadise_: "other shit servers"

[3:11:00 AM] bloxparadise_: seems like you're the ungrateful one

[3:11:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Erik

[3:11:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: stop ignoring all points

[3:11:11 AM] aa2202aa2202: scroll up

[3:11:14 AM] aa2202aa2202: and REPLY To all of them

[3:12:24 AM] ilucamc: Erik. Please tell me why servers shouldn't be able to accept donations?

[3:13:06 AM] bloxparadise_: Because he's jealous lol

[3:14:14 AM] ilucamc: I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but didn't he also say we can't be accepting profit from this?

[3:15:49 AM] bloxparadise_: wouldn't doubt it

[3:20:54 AM] danstoogood: [3:09 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< other shit servers are pulling

[3:21:36 AM] danstoogood: that is what is upsetting me

[3:21:43 AM] danstoogood: you're acting as-if every server tries to rip off their players

[3:22:28 AM] bloxparadise_: mojang in general upsets me in general lol

[3:23:34 AM] aa2202aa2202: Wow

[3:23:36 AM] aa2202aa2202: .,.

[3:32:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA&feature=youtu.be GUYS LOOK OMG

[3:33:22 AM] bloxparadise_: OMG

[3:33:29 AM] bloxparadise_: LOLOL

[3:34:06 AM] bloxparadise_: haha i just love the background view

[3:34:07 AM] bloxparadise_: of india

[3:34:19 AM] ilucamc: Amazing

[3:35:39 AM] shahriya96: hes hot

[3:35:57 AM] bloxparadise_: lol

[3:36:10 AM] youaresohistory1: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[3:36:16 AM] bloxparadise_: Wonder how long it took to dress up XD

[3:45:51 AM] publicpwner21: I love

[3:45:54 AM] publicpwner21: the rainforest sounds

[3:45:57 AM] publicpwner21: in the background

[3:46:05 AM] publicpwner21: or whatever that shit be

[3:46:33 AM] bloxparadise_: XD

[3:46:54 AM] publicpwner21: he also has some really nice hair

[3:48:21 AM] christian.payne23: I think erik gave up

[3:49:05 AM] Erik Broes: Lol no

[3:49:18 AM] Erik Broes: Learning Swedish so just busy

[3:50:07 AM] bloxparadise_: I hoep you're joking

[3:52:42 AM] ilucamc: Why doesn't anyone say, "is anyone renting .net"?

[3:53:13 AM] bloxparadise_: cuz .net sucks

[3:54:16 AM] ilucamc: How so?

[3:54:30 AM] bloxparadise_: It's not as pouplated

[3:54:49 AM] bloxparadise_: hence the reason nobody asks is anyone renting .net

[3:55:00 AM | Edited 3:55:10 AM] danstoogood: ok, I can understand Mojang's aggrevation, ok

[3:55:03 AM] christian.payne23: Erik, explain one thing for me

[3:55:29 AM] danstoogood: but, I think a lot of things are being distorted

[3:56:04 AM | Edited 3:56:08 AM] danstoogood: for example, http://puu.sh/9dwDf/162db0d795.png - it's not even possible to "redirect" through the client

[3:56:09 AM | Edited 3:56:32 AM] christian.payne23: How can you steall the mini game ideas from servers, but then threaten them? If you make the owners close the servers, mojang wont have anymore good ideas to steall for your precious realms.....

[3:56:34 AM] danstoogood: we're not all money thirsty 13 year olds, I just want you to understand that :P

[3:56:36 AM] christian.payne23: ^^^^^

[3:57:42 AM] Drew: Heck im not even taking donations atm :P

[3:58:24 AM] danstoogood: and, people moan about being innappreciative, but most of this chit chat is like; http://puu.sh/9dwO9/bd2d572480.png

[3:58:31 AM | Edited 3:58:50 AM] danstoogood: a 5 second wait for a free mod isn't too bad, and people are claiming that is the problem with the community

[3:59:34 AM] danstoogood: for example some other upvoted posts: "Im patiently awaiting Mojang to totally wreck the shitty modders who screw with the game by intentionally crashing the game or by adding DRM in their mods."

[4:02:29 AM] danstoogood: I just feel mojang and the "reddit group" have cast a negative blanket over all of us due to just a few of the server owners actions

[4:09:06 AM] dillyg10: Seriously

[4:09:18 AM] dillyg10: This has been a nearly 24 hour discussion

[4:09:21 AM] dillyg10: It's time to call it quits.

[4:10:47 AM] calebmerridethbell: No, this is interesting! haha.

[4:11:03 AM] bloxparadise_: it gets frusturating :/

[4:11:12 AM] ilucamc: ^

[4:12:38 AM | Edited 4:13:14 AM] danstoogood: sorry it's just annoying me that people are saying "I hate servers that you have to pay to, why do mineplex and hypixel do that?" without understanding the infrastructure behind these servers, and that as soon as these changes are in effect, the servers will be unable to run and everything will change, almost immediately

[4:13:52 AM] danstoogood: sure, those servers filled with bold text and overpriced ranks will close, but also large community servers will cease to exist

[4:17:33 AM] Erik Broes: I dont see why they would stop to exist; they will change their business model and actually be allowed to make money that way

[4:18:19 AM] bloxparadise_: Not all of us are rich as shit

[4:18:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh because nobody will fucking donate?

[4:18:40 AM] bloxparadise_: What's so hard to understand?

[4:18:47 AM] Drew: We should all just stop talking about this in here because its going to get no where :)

[4:19:05 AM] danstoogood: I am reading reddit now

[4:19:09 AM] Erik Broes: Oh so people wouldn't want you around? :D

[4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: and I think I have the COMPLETE wrong idea

[4:19:09 AM] danstoogood: lol

[4:19:14 AM] danstoogood: holy shit

[4:19:23 AM] danstoogood: well I sorta had the right idea

[4:19:30 AM] danstoogood: ok I am going to rework my server

[4:20:14 AM] Erik Broes: When we make up our mind about what will be in the EULA you will have some time to adjust

[4:20:20 AM] danstoogood: ok

[4:20:27 AM] danstoogood: soz for coming across so harshly lol

[4:20:29 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan what are you reading?

[4:20:43 AM] danstoogood: I feel kinda like a dick that nothing has ever been announced

[4:20:46 AM] Erik Broes: But sofar the changes are in your favor, right now you have no rights at all to make money, then you will

[4:21:00 AM] danstoogood: soz Erik lol

[4:21:20 AM] bloxparadise_: Dan link/

[4:21:37 AM] danstoogood: http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/2720xt/psa_to_server_owners_selling_a_diamond_sword_on_a/

[4:21:38 AM] Erik Broes: it's just nice food for thought, so you can already consider less lame ways to squeeze money from people :P

[4:21:41 AM] danstoogood: I'm just reading through that

[4:22:10 AM] dillyg10: xD

[4:22:11 AM | Edited 4:22:30 AM] danstoogood: yea Erik, can you give us a brief idea of what's going to happen so we can sort of think ahead? :P

[4:22:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik you're such a fucking troll

[4:22:20 AM] christian.payne23: But we are not squeezing money....

[4:22:22 AM] Erik Broes: it's not set in stone yet; the first draft after todays meeting hasn't even gone out

[4:22:33 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, it's just hilarious

[4:22:54 AM] dillyg10: Continue ;P

[4:23:06 AM] christian.payne23: It is OPTIONAL TO DONATE or PURCHASE RANKS OR ITEMS. We are not forcing them to. It is optional. it is their choice.

[4:23:20 AM] danstoogood: any information AT ALL? (wasntme)

[4:23:38 AM] danstoogood: captain that argument is over

[4:23:41 AM] dillyg10: I honest to god wonder how long this conversation will carry on

[4:23:44 AM] danstoogood: this all started over a tweet from Marc, lol

[4:23:51 AM] dillyg10: Like... I'm putting bets on another 2 days

[4:24:16 AM] nextinlinebro_: I say we move back to the #bickering IRC channel

[4:24:17 AM] nextinlinebro_: ANyone agree?

[4:24:50 AM] Erik Broes: CaptainBob: is it also optional to follow our EULA? :P

[4:25:01 AM] Erik Broes: no this started 7 months ago when i brought up the issue

[4:25:22 AM] christian.payne23: No its not. But why the hell, after like 4 years, do you care so much about it now?

[4:25:24 AM] Erik Broes: the '$10k perk' has put some fire under certain peoples asses

[4:26:01 AM] Erik Broes: and now finally things are given the right priority

[4:26:07 AM] dillyg10: Lol and it all started

[4:26:25 AM] dillyg10: Because fucking felipe sent a C&D to matt

[4:26:28 AM] Erik Broes: Because it is a growing problem for us?

[4:26:33 AM] dillyg10: So

[4:26:39 AM] dillyg10: Think about that :)

[4:26:55 AM] Erik Broes: When you now google for minecraft servers it starts to become about 'shop/perk/rank/whatever' almost instantly

[4:27:07 AM] Drew: The right priority lmfao

[4:27:25 AM] Erik Broes: we get increasing amounts of complaints from users on support with 'things going wrong' or 'being unfair' or 'my kids has paid for this blabla and we demand a chargeback'

[4:27:39 AM] dillyg10: Err

[4:27:48 AM] christian.payne23: Then get rid of the freaking assholes who have the 10k perk....

[4:27:50 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: heh that is what got me into this chat

[4:27:54 AM] Erik Broes: but it started before that

[4:27:54 AM | Edited 4:28:03 AM] dillyg10: www.lmgtfy.com/?q=minecraft%20servers

[4:27:56 AM] christian.payne23: Why punish us all?

[4:28:08 AM] Drew: How about that list of 1,600 hacked accounts I sent you months ago you did nothing about and now a bunch of kids are reselling? I guess that doesn't matter, glad you got your priorities straight

[4:28:10 AM] bloxparadise_: Then email them back and say its not your responsibility?

[4:28:22 AM] danstoogood: one point I would like you to acknowledge is that those issues are USUALLY associated with the poorly managed servers

[4:28:36 AM] bloxparadise_: I haven't had 1 chargback since I opened

[4:28:37 AM] Erik Broes: It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is slowly turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot do that

[4:28:44 AM] bloxparadise_: if I did, it was a small one that was resolved quickly

[4:28:59 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people

[4:29:12 AM] Erik Broes: more i cannot do about it, i dont even have access to the accounts in that way

[4:29:30 AM] christian.payne23: I had one charge back. And it was because the dad didn't know what was going on. I emailed him, and it was solved. Simple as that

[4:29:56 AM | Edited 4:30:45 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, would you say that after these changes are in effect a $5 a month OPTIONAL and strictly optional payment for a coloured name and other various coded perks (none of Minecraft's IP) which would support upkeep is accepted?

[4:29:57 AM] christian.payne23: just like blox

[4:30:02 AM] danstoogood: I am not planning on doing so

[4:30:20 AM] danstoogood: just simply would like to get an idea of what you guys are thinking of doing

[4:30:20 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> It's quite simple really, Mojang doesn't like the way the game is slowly turning into a pay2win/pay2play monetized playground eventhough our rules say you cannot do that

IT IS NOT, CERTIAN SERVERS HAVE THE ///OPTION/// TO DO THAT BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SERVERS THAT DONT

[4:30:33 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 2:58 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> Drew: that list is forwarded to the right people

well nothing happened lol

[4:30:53 AM] Erik Broes: no, but you can surely add some soft/ingame currency that people can earn by playing to color their name

[4:30:55 AM] Drew: Now a bunch of kids are getting their accounts sold out from under them

[4:31:07 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: then 'those other servers' will not be bothered by the changes

[4:31:26 AM] danstoogood: I am confused now

[4:31:38 AM] bloxparadise_: Then how do you expect me to pay for my server, erik?

[4:31:44 AM] danstoogood: Erik what exactly are you proposing lol

[4:32:00 AM] danstoogood: I mean, $5 a month for a coloured name, if they want to support the server I thought would be perfectly acceptable? :P

[4:32:04 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i should rephrase that 'add' i used; 'create a currency system in the game' -- not 'award virtual currency for real money'

[4:32:09 AM] dillyg10: Okay Erik, what about this

[4:32:10 AM] Erik Broes: blox: with money?

[4:32:13 AM] bloxparadise_: And after I can't pay for my server, how do you expect players to have fun and play minecraft?

[4:32:13 AM] dillyg10: People pay me money

[4:32:15 AM] dillyg10: But

[4:32:23 AM] bloxparadise_: Seems we're just saying the same shit over and over..

[4:32:25 AM] dillyg10: they send it in the form of goat

[4:32:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what about $5 a month without a colored name to support their server?

[4:32:31 AM] dillyg10: In exchange for that goat

[4:32:35 AM] dillyg10: I give them cattle

[4:32:37 AM] dillyg10: ingame.

[4:32:43 AM] danstoogood: then it would be less appealing

[4:32:46 AM] dillyg10: The cattle can be brought to an in game shop

[4:32:51 AM] dillyg10: Where they can exchange that

[4:32:53 AM] dillyg10: for perks.

[4:32:56 AM] dillyg10: Now how does that sound?

[4:32:59 AM] Erik Broes: dan: why not? :)

[4:33:01 AM] danstoogood: and then we can get on the topic of Realms being free and letting people pay as they please

[4:33:07 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: Erik

[4:33:23 AM] danstoogood: which if you think is possible I am happy to experiment with that

[4:33:34 AM] bloxparadise_: ^

[4:33:36 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: what about we go on like we have for the last 3 years of minecraft

[4:33:41 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: maybe slightly bloated on the youtube side, with sponsorship prices

[4:33:43 AM] Max | Sraph LTD: it's a good eco system

[4:33:44 AM] Erik Broes: we have no intention to make realms free, again, realms is more like a GSP not a 'microtransaction to good you already have paid for'

[4:34:04 AM] danstoogood: just you know that players do not wish to receive nothing in return

[4:34:11 AM] danstoogood: GSP? what's that

[4:34:39 AM | Removed 4:34:35 AM] danstoogood: This message has been removed.

[4:34:43 AM] dillyg10: So my marketing strategy is: (sheep) = (dog) = (cash)

[4:34:53 AM] Erik Broes: how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o)

[4:34:53 AM] dillyg10: I think that'll align with your EULA

[4:35:03 AM] Drew: But you haven't paid for it

[4:35:10 AM] Erik Broes: GameServerProvider (think multiplay)

[4:35:14 AM] Drew: A perk that I create is not something they paid for

[4:35:55 AM] Drew: They didn't party for prefixes when they bought minecraft

[4:36:10 AM] aa2202aa2202: SSSS

[4:36:33 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: a perk that requires the client to see it is something they paid for

[4:36:39 AM] aa2202aa2202: Am 03.06.14, um 21:04 hat Erik Broes geschrieben:

> how is it good? people investing thousands and thousands for both DDOS protection and 'being high on a serverrankinglist', selling weird shit for outrageous prices (actually asking more than the game gets sold for! O.o)

Deal with it

[4:36:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: You won't change shit

[4:37:31 AM] Drew: No it's really not

[4:37:37 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh I can sell whatever the shit I want for whatever price, I thought that wasn't mojang's business

[4:37:50 AM] nextinlinebro_: @Erik Have you ever tried smoking pot?

[4:38:20 AM | Edited 4:38:19 AM] Drew: I guess that they already bought your game because they paid for windows to see it (rofl)

[4:38:20 AM] bloxparadise_: looool

[4:38:52 AM] Erik Broes: nope and never intend to unless i get some weird cancer

[4:39:28 AM] dillyg10: What kind of alcohol do you guys drink in Sweeden?

[4:39:42 AM] bloxparadise_: have you ever checked?

[4:39:43 AM] bloxparadise_: you should

[4:39:46 AM] nextinlinebro_: Clearly you need to try some

[4:40:16 AM] 9gigsofram: so you are going to turn it into world of warcraft private servers :P

[4:40:25 AM] dillyg10: Honestly not a trolly question, always wondered :P

[4:40:42 AM | Edited 4:40:36 AM] 9gigsofram: even more pay to win to maintain the legal workarounds :O

[4:41:46 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: overly expensive ones hehe

[4:42:16 AM] danstoogood: I don't think as a representative of a large company he can admit to smoking a class B drug

[4:42:16 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik do you get paid least at mojang? xD

[4:42:32 AM] 9gigsofram: fancy

[4:43:22 AM] dillyg10: Heh :P

[4:43:30 AM] Erik Broes: blox: obviously :P

[4:43:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: why not?

[4:43:46 AM] Erik Broes: smoking pot is not illegal; just stupid

[4:43:56 AM] Erik Broes: pot/weed/grass/whatever

[4:43:56 AM] 9gigsofram: well its not smoking it that is illegal

[4:43:58 AM] danstoogood: it's a class B drug here lol

[4:43:59 AM] Drew: As a representative of a company he shouldn't be distributing illegally obtained property either xD

[4:44:02 AM] 9gigsofram: its possessing it

[4:44:03 AM] dillyg10: I mean, do you guys get more of a german or russian influence there?

[4:44:10 AM | Edited 4:44:14 AM] dillyg10: As far as the alcohol goes

[4:44:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: He gets paid in twisslers

[4:44:22 AM] bloxparadise_: k thx for ruining the joke

[4:44:23 AM] danstoogood: and pricey

[4:44:24 AM] 9gigsofram: and if he visited somwhere it was legal he could say what he wanted :P

[4:44:27 AM] nextinlinebro_: Id love to get paid in twisslers

[4:44:30 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: also mojang is not a large company

[4:44:42 AM] danstoogood: :O

[4:45:11 AM] danstoogood: the 3rd biggest selling video game

[4:45:14 AM] Erik Broes: ~36 people is not 'large' by any means :)

[4:45:42 AM] danstoogood: lol my friend who's in amsterdam atm literally just messaged me as that subject came up in chat

[4:44 AM] KooKie:

<<< holy shit Dan

In Amsterdam, like literally a weed store every 100m

[4:45:52 AM] Erik Broes: yes with a team of 5 for the game, 4 for realms … whooo :P

[4:46:29 AM] 9gigsofram: 4 for realms?

[4:46:35 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: bull shit, it has lots of shops where you can get it, but once you leave the touristy area its 'as hard to get as anywhere'

[4:46:36 AM] 9gigsofram: seems a tad excessive :P

[4:46:49 AM] bloxparadise_: yeah that's a shit load of money

[4:46:51 AM] bloxparadise_: so why t'f you guys mad

[4:46:52 AM] 9gigsofram: i guess support takes up alot of that though

[4:47:17 AM] dillyg10: Erik, totally out of the blue

[4:47:19 AM] Erik Broes: because some servers are ruining the game? :)

[4:47:19 AM] bloxparadise_: https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10390332_689299854441142_5150017957485640618_n.jpg

[4:47:19 AM] dillyg10: but do you guys do internships at Mojang?

[4:47:34 AM] Erik Broes: no support is another company

[4:47:47 AM] bloxparadise_: you said it yourself

[4:47:48 AM] bloxparadise_: "some"

[4:47:59 AM] bloxparadise_: how about you go deal with those "some" servers and leave us alone

[4:48:12 AM] Drew: How are 'some' servers ruining the game

[4:48:19 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: nothing noteworthy

[4:48:21 AM] Drew: The servers are independent

[4:48:27 AM] Erik Broes: we've had some person visit for a week for example

[4:48:32 AM] Drew: They dont affect the game

[4:48:54 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: they ruin the image of the game by ever so slowly push it to 'pay2win'

[4:48:57 AM] 9gigsofram: less than 1% of servers :P

[4:49:06 AM] 9gigsofram: what do those 4 people do :O

[4:49:33 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:18 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> dillyg10: nothing noteworthy

Ehh was just curios, was thinking about going abroad for school at some point, sweden seems like a neat place :P

[4:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: if you are referring to mineplex/hypixel/hive/octc then deal with them

[4:49:57 AM] nextinlinebro_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WpZddamHwA @Grum ^-^

[4:50:17 AM] dillyg10: Ah, so nothing longterm :P

[4:50:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will be

[4:50:41 AM] bloxparadise_: "BEST PLUGIN DEVLOPMENT"

[4:50:54 AM] Drew: My server isn't pay to win

[4:50:58 AM] Drew: As are most servers

[4:51:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "FOR ALL OF YOUR PLOGIN NEEDS"

[4:51:16 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it

[4:51:40 AM] VoxaDub: Grum what does 'dealing with them' mean?

[4:51:51 AM] Drew: I DONT think so little kids servers are ruining any image

[4:52:14 AM] danstoogood: Erik do you want to play our servers with us so we can demonstrate lol

[4:52:29 AM] Erik Broes: Voxadub: making the rules more explicit in what they can and cannot do :P

[4:52:48 AM] Erik Broes: but we cannot just go to the 'big ones' and say: hey stop! -- would be unfair to the smaller ones right?

[4:53:02 AM] Drew: I DONT think you have any idea what's going on in your community

[4:53:03 AM] bloxparadise_: "they"

[4:53:07 AM] bloxparadise_: does that mean I can sell diamond blocks lol

[4:53:30 AM] Drew: Idk why my tablet keeps capsing DONT

[4:53:43 AM] 9gigsofram: question

[4:53:44 AM] Erik Broes: blox: seeing your screaming -- that is what you are doing right?

[4:53:51 AM] VoxaDub: So like selling stuff?

[4:54:05 AM] 9gigsofram: can we ignore these guidelines if we live in uae and have a server hosted offshore :P

[4:54:14 AM] Erik Broes: Drew: i probably mostly know the bad stuff -- sitting in here :P

[4:54:41 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:21 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> dillyg10: not sofar -- i personally wouldn't have much time for it

Ah that's a shame, well it won't be a few years till I'm at that point anyways, keep your schedule open :P

[4:54:46 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik i'm not screaming m8

[4:55:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: no? :)

[4:55:03 AM] Drew: On 6/3/2014, at 3:24 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> Drew: i probably mostly know the bad stuff -- sitting in here :P

Fair enough

[4:55:29 AM] Erik Broes: dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)

[4:58:19 AM] dillyg10: On 6/3/14, at 3:25 PM, Erik Broes wrote:

> dillyg10: i'd make you cry ;)

Hmm, maybe I should get Notch to do it. I can work on all his... projects

[4:58:23 AM] 9gigsofram: well what would you do about it :P

[4:58:26 AM] 9gigsofram: just asking for when sombody does that

[4:59:14 AM] VoxaDub: That is a good point, what will happen if you (mojang) approaches a server about something and they dont do anything about it?

[4:59:57 AM] VoxaDub: Cuz I cant imagine it would be very effective to sue every server owner out there

[5:00:18 AM] VoxaDub: And some large networks could hold their own in court, due to the money they make.

[5:01:25 AM] bloxparadise_: Uh well a violation of a tos isn't something you can just win

[5:02:36 AM] 9gigsofram: well they dont evne need court

[5:02:42 AM] danstoogood: also you do not need a minecraft account to run a server

[5:02:52 AM] 9gigsofram: and

[5:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: that doesn't matter

[5:02:57 AM] 9gigsofram: jsut bulletproof hosting

[5:03:01 AM] 9gigsofram: company represented in an appropriate country

[5:03:10 AM] VoxaDub: @dan thats what I was going to say lol

[5:03:23 AM] bloxparadise_: erik can you answer the question

[5:03:26 AM] bloxparadise_: what would you do if we violated the tos

[5:04:00 AM] 9gigsofram: i dont run a large server

[5:04:05 AM] Erik Broes: blox: send a mail asking you to fix it

[5:04:06 AM] 9gigsofram: im just asking qustions :P

[5:04:57 AM] VoxaDub: Same

[5:04:59 AM] Erik Broes: i know what you run 9gigsofram ;)

[5:05:02 AM] bloxparadise_: and if we don't?

[5:05:46 AM] Erik Broes: blox: lawyers? :(

[5:06:34 AM] 9gigsofram: as i said

[5:06:36 AM] 9gigsofram: its not that big

[5:06:41 AM] 9gigsofram: just 53 players on right now :P

[5:06:49 AM] VoxaDub: But erik is it legitmate that you would do that with EVERY server?

[5:07:15 AM] bloxparadise_: ip?

[5:07:18 AM] VoxaDub: Because I can imagine most large ones would try to fight it, if for say its disallowing selling items.

[5:07:23 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: if need be :/

[5:07:32 AM] 9gigsofram: play.chosencraft.com

[5:07:40 AM] Erik Broes: i think the large ones will change right away

[5:07:47 AM] Erik Broes: well as fast as a large one can change :)

[5:08:13 AM] VoxaDub: Well yeah most likely they will, but If it impedes on donations that could be another story.

[5:08:27 AM] danstoogood: I'm happy to re-work my packages, just I'd like to know if you're completely aboloshing the "purchase" idea

[5:08:30 AM | Edited 5:08:32 AM] danstoogood: (worry)

[5:08:33 AM] bloxparadise_: so what do you want us to change exactly

[5:09:03 AM] 9gigsofram: they'll either comply or move to safe havens so they don't need to i suppose :P

[5:09:13 AM] bloxparadise_: can you guys maybe announce this somehow

[5:09:14 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: that is the plan yes

[5:09:27 AM] Erik Broes: but again, nothing set in stone :)

[5:09:40 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah thats my question lol, seems everyone at mojangs keeps avoiding answering it too.

[5:10:12 AM] bloxparadise_: Erik you want to completely stop us from getting donations

[5:10:26 AM] danstoogood: so hypixel will no longer have a VIP option, if what is currently being planned was to take place?

[5:10:33 AM] Erik Broes: blox: we will when we change it

[5:10:45 AM] Erik Broes: no, you can get donations, but as donations work, you cannot give anything back -- because then it is a purchase

[5:11:14 AM] VoxaDub: So the goal is to get rid of server purchases?

[5:11:18 AM] VoxaDub: Oh dear god.

[5:11:40 AM] bloxparadise_: rip minecraft

[5:11:43 AM] VoxaDub: So I'm assuming buycraft and enjin will be shut down?

[5:11:53 AM] 9gigsofram: that not going to fly :P

[5:12:11 AM] bloxparadise_: erik, you are a bitch

[5:12:14 AM] bloxparadise_: sincerely

[5:12:15 AM] bloxparadise_: me

[5:12:38 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:42:16 PM ( ?° ?? ?° )? bloxParadise_ | Public Skype] me

*everyone

[5:12:45 AM] bloxparadise_: Not just you but the shits working at Mojang that want to ruin this game that was perfect before

[5:13:01 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs yeah my thoughts exactly....

[5:13:07 AM] Erik Broes: blox: i'm not a dog :D

[5:13:23 AM] VoxaDub: This is literally going to ruin minecraft, I really dont want to start an argument but why would mojang ever think this would be a good idea?

[5:13:24 AM] ngusox: "I like dicks in and around my mouth" -Erik

[5:13:39 AM] bloxparadise_: sure you may not be a dog but you're sure acting like one

[5:13:55 AM | Edited 5:14:08 AM] danstoogood: yeah as much as I think Hypixel, Mineplex, my server, others in this chat, etc will stop

[5:14:00 AM] Erik Broes: how are we ruining the game by enforcing/loosening the EULA? O.o

[5:14:20 AM] bloxparadise_: first your shitty uuid updates

[5:14:25 AM] bloxparadise_: now this bullshit?

[5:14:25 AM | Edited 5:14:27 AM] danstoogood: you're going to have all the servers that are causing you problems

[5:14:28 AM] danstoogood: still causing you problems

[5:14:30 AM | Edited 5:14:31 AM] bloxparadise_: get your head outta your ass m8

[5:14:32 AM] VoxaDub: Because servers are what made the game become what it is.

[5:14:40 AM] VoxaDub: I cant see how you wouldnt agree?

[5:14:55 AM] 9gigsofram: the problem is as i brought up before

[5:14:55 AM] danstoogood: and you cannot take people to court over that

[5:14:59 AM] bloxparadise_: yes @VoxaDub im sure he knows that

[5:14:59 AM] danstoogood: you're still going to get the emails :P

[5:15:00 AM | Edited 5:15:03 AM] Erik Broes: prepping for renames *after* 1.8 is something bad? O.o

[5:15:03 AM] 9gigsofram: people can completely ignore it

[5:15:09 AM] 9gigsofram: if they have the knowhow and money

[5:15:20 AM] VoxaDub: Blox, I cant imaging this is up to erik, I may be wrong but he might not have a say.

[5:15:25 AM] 9gigsofram: so large servers will get larger

[5:15:26 AM] 9gigsofram: generally that is only large servers

[5:15:30 AM] 9gigsofram: and smaller ones smaller

[5:15:56 AM] VoxaDub: I understand mojang obviously wants to make more money, its understandable, but by doing this it will ultimately kill their game.

[5:15:58 AM] danstoogood: 9gigs speaks the truth!

[5:16:09 AM] danstoogood: and the large servers are not causing Mojang any problems...

[5:16:19 AM] Erik Broes: we'll give our lawyers some exercise then in that scenario

[5:16:23 AM | Edited 5:16:34 AM] VoxaDub: @9gigs very true the large ones that can survive will thrive the most.

[5:16:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i honestly hope it does

[5:17:06 AM] VoxaDub: Wow, really sad to see that said to be honest. :/

[5:17:08 AM] Drew: So silly :P

[5:17:21 AM] VoxaDub: Mojang is turning themself into the bad guy now...

[5:17:25 AM] 9gigsofram: erik

[5:17:27 AM] 9gigsofram: that will not work at all

[5:17:28 AM] 9gigsofram: lol

[5:17:33 AM | Edited 5:17:34 AM] danstoogood: erik can we speak to some other Mojang employees about this?

[5:17:46 AM] bloxparadise_: erik I hope you lose your job, I hope some hobo that has flammable piss pisses all over your shit, then you

[5:17:50 AM] 9gigsofram: they just need to be represented somwhere with lax copywrite laws

[5:17:56 AM] danstoogood: because I feel you are exagerating this issue, sort of bending it the way you want it to go

[5:17:56 AM] 9gigsofram: like the private wow servers are

[5:18:02 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: like who? :)

[5:18:02 AM] bloxparadise_: most arrogant person i've met up to now

[5:18:11 AM] bloxparadise_: mind getting other employees in here?

[5:18:16 AM] 9gigsofram: itll work for midlevel and small

[5:18:18 AM] 9gigsofram: but not large

[5:18:22 AM] VoxaDub: Well fuck no idea how I'm going to pay for college now.

[5:18:34 AM] danstoogood: I feel like you're turning us against Mojang in general, and "twisting" their proposed plans

[5:18:36 AM] 9gigsofram: and any lawsuit will take years

[5:18:39 AM] bloxparadise_: i hope @lelddos ddoses realms

[5:18:44 AM] Drew: Imma go have to work somewhere now and wont be able to dev anymore :)

[5:18:49 AM] Drew: Guess this is what erik wants

[5:18:54 AM] 9gigsofram: i assume that is sarcasm voxa lol

[5:19:03 AM] Drew: No more people doing stuff for minecraft :D

[5:19:04 AM] ngusox: lold

[5:19:13 AM] Erik Broes: blox: how on earth am I arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say?

[5:19:18 AM] VoxaDub: God I cant even imagine the havoc its going to create.

[5:19:31 AM] 9gigsofram: he's not arrogant :P

[5:19:49 AM] 9gigsofram: just keep in mind once you do this you cannot take it back

[5:19:54 AM] Drew: > [Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:49:11 PM Erik Broes] blox: how on earth am I arrogant? because I can argue for the things I say?

No because you dont listen to anyone but yourself

[5:19:58 AM | Edited 5:20:01 AM] 9gigsofram: as you'd be increasing your liability if you did

[5:20:01 AM] bloxparadise_: no because you want to fuck this game up

[5:20:18 AM] danstoogood: I feel that Erik is stating what he wants, rather than what Mojang are discussing

[5:20:27 AM] danstoogood: if you don't mind me asking, what happened to your server? :P

[5:21:13 AM] Erik Broes: I've said a lot of times before that whatever i'm saying is *my* opinion

[5:21:46 AM] bloxparadise_: let me guess some hobo with flammable piss pissed on his physical box

[5:21:50 AM] VoxaDub: Erik had a server? :O

[5:21:54 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: funny that MC is still around then

[5:22:06 AM] Erik Broes: oh wait, that is solely because of servers right?

[5:22:15 AM] xllgummybearxll: No offense, but I don't think anyone wants your opinion. We want the truth

[5:22:30 AM] Erik Broes: that is what i've also given

[5:22:37 AM] Erik Broes: you have more info than anyone on the planet

[5:22:51 AM] bloxparadise_: Yeah and being the dumbass you are, shutting down hypixel/big servers won't help

[5:22:56 AM] VoxaDub: @xllgummybearxll true that

[5:22:57 AM | Edited 5:23:06 AM] danstoogood: I am seeing people forgetting about the needless hours of time that go into Minecraft Servers, and assuming it's free money

[5:23:00 AM] danstoogood: because I am seeing two sides of the story here

[5:23:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah exactly what dan said

[5:23:47 AM] Erik Broes: how are we shutting down big servers?

[5:23:52 AM] VoxaDub: apparently it wasnt going to happen according to @Marc_IRL

[5:23:54 AM] Erik Broes: they just have to change their business a bit and will have a legal way to conduct it after the discussed changes

[5:24:22 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, why ask such silly questions.

[5:24:23 AM] bloxparadise_: "change their business" you mean remove it?

[5:24:28 AM] VoxaDub: How would you not be shutting down servers by doing that?

[5:24:35 AM] Erik Broes: We will tell the community when we're doing the change

[5:24:42 AM] bloxparadise_: do you even know what the hell hypixel runs on?

[5:24:46 AM] Erik Broes: which is when we decide on what we will change

[5:24:48 AM] bloxparadise_: how much money it costs to maintain their structure?

[5:24:51 AM] bloxparadise_: obviously you don't

[5:24:52 AM] danstoogood: so Erik, could we add some other employees to discuss this?

[5:24:55 AM] VoxaDub: @blox lol......

[5:24:56 AM] xllgummybearxll: Servers need donations to keep them up. How can you keep a server up without cash? It's not like anyone can run a 32 GB machine free of charge.

[5:25:14 AM] bloxparadise_: trust me, kids won't donate if they don't get perks

[5:25:22 AM] bloxparadise_: agreed @dan

[5:25:51 AM] VoxaDub: Next step on mojangs agenda >> Remove multiplayer button >> Replace with realms

[5:26:20 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: what do you think they'll say different? that you have been not ignoring our EULA and that we didn't have a meeting to do changes? unless you get Dinnerbone in here you will get even harsher views than I've presented sofar

[5:26:42 AM] VoxaDub: I dont know anyone that 'dontates to donate' anymore, its expected to receive something for buying something on the server

[5:26:47 AM] bloxparadise_: lool

[5:27:00 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: I still don't get why realms keeps getting dragged into this discussion -- did oyu see your numbers drop since realms is live?

[5:27:11 AM] danstoogood: why not add him Erik? :)

[5:27:33 AM] bloxparadise_: Stop denying the question

[5:27:35 AM] bloxparadise_: Add another employee

[5:27:48 AM] Erik Broes: Because he has no patience for most people here ;)

[5:27:54 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys

[5:27:56 AM] aa2202aa2202: just chill

[5:28:00 AM] aa2202aa2202: and let them enforce this method

[5:28:02 AM] aa2202aa2202: :)

[5:28:06 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: every decision always hurts everything and everyone, even us making a new version … it's always panic

[5:28:07 AM] aa2202aa2202: Not a problem for most of us anyways

[5:28:10 AM] xllgummybearxll: "Patience"

[5:28:20 AM] bloxparadise_: He better get some patience then -.-

[5:28:23 AM] VoxaDub: Erik, no. The Point is that mojang wants more money and thats their only other option as of now

[5:28:56 AM] 9gigsofram: good point

[5:29:05 AM] 9gigsofram: if servers have less features

[5:29:12 AM] 9gigsofram: realms will get more popular :P

[5:29:33 AM] danstoogood: I think if everyone found about the real reason this is happening the rest of the community would have a different opinon - don't you Erik? ;)

[5:29:34 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: no, we made a system that filled a need people have -- it has nothing to do with any other servers

[5:29:37 AM] xllgummybearxll: If Mojang is just looking for money, there are so many other routes unexplored.

[5:30:04 AM] Erik Broes: we're not looking for money at all

[5:30:21 AM] VoxaDub: How, can you not say that all these new changes are ultimately to promote realms?

[5:30:27 AM] Erik Broes: we just dont want the game to turn into a pay-to-win/microtransaction crapfest

[5:30:27 AM] xllgummybearxll: mhm

[5:30:50 AM] bloxparadise_: then give us realms for free

[5:31:16 AM] VoxaDub: If they're not looking for money why would they care about servers making money then?

[5:31:23 AM] danstoogood: not for free.

[5:31:26 AM] danstoogood: for the price it costs them.

[5:31:28 AM] bloxparadise_: Why?

[5:31:31 AM] Erik Broes: Because realms is a super simple 'single-player-but-on-a-server-with-your-friends-without-mods' experience for 'at most' 10 people pure vanilla

[5:31:33 AM] danstoogood: surely that'd be acceptable

[5:31:34 AM] VoxaDub: And how convinent for it to come up right as realms is starting out.

[5:32:01 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: as i said before, i brought it up 7months ago -- we have EULA changes in the pipeline for 7 months as well

[5:32:03 AM] VoxaDub: Its been pay2win since multiplayer was realeased....

[5:32:09 AM] Erik Broes: ones that are far more drastic than the new ones

[5:32:15 AM | Edited 5:32:19 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and that makes it good how?

[5:32:20 AM] bloxparadise_: yet it costs money

[5:32:24 AM] VoxaDub: Ever since servers started up with enjin store it has been

[5:33:27 AM] VoxaDub: Ok but if mojang doesnt care about money why are they worried about updating the EULA then? It was pay2win far before 7 months ago wouldnt you agree?

[5:33:28 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:31 AM] Amir Omidi:

<<< No one is "forcing" players to pay.nobody is even forcing them to play for that matter

[5:33:34 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: no-one is forcing servers to ask for payments, we even have this EULA stating you cannot do that

[5:33:53 AM] VoxaDub: I never said pay2win was good, its just a part of servers now its expected and accepted.

[5:34:20 AM] aa2202aa2202: mineplex got 70 GBPS

[5:34:22 AM] aa2202aa2202: ddos

[5:34:54 AM] VoxaDub: Well there are a few servers where you must donate to play

[5:35:11 AM] Erik Broes: voxadub: yeah and because of this 'now it is accepted and expected' -- that exactly is what makes us change it

[5:35:38 AM] 9gigsofram: it wasnt the bandwidth that causd the problem

[5:35:41 AM] 9gigsofram: but the content

[5:35:52 AM] 9gigsofram: was a ssyn flood

[5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: No-one threatened to ddos mojang

[5:36:17 AM] aa2202aa2202: .?

[5:36:46 AM] 9gigsofram: udp floods generally go unnoticed on incapsula and alot of simular providers as they drop it

[5:36:50 AM] 9gigsofram: since websites and scuh dont need it

[5:36:56 AM] Erik Broes: oh people have :P

[5:36:58 AM] Erik Broes: lots of time ;)

[5:37:01 AM] 9gigsofram: [5:36 AM] Amir:

<<< No-one threatened to ddos mojang

.?

[5:37:02 AM] Erik Broes: (and they do)

[5:37:06 AM] 9gigsofram: i suggested that it could happen

[5:37:10 AM] 9gigsofram: a while ago

[5:37:10 AM] bloxparadise_: @Erik

[5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: http://store.gtamc.net/category/255227

[5:37:11 AM] bloxparadise_: xD

[5:37:16 AM] bloxparadise_: i bet they made 100k off of kits alone lool

[5:37:33 AM] 9gigsofram: but i assume mojang takes the same attitude as me

[5:37:40 AM] 9gigsofram: "i do not negotiate with terrorists"

[5:37:46 AM] bloxparadise_: why does that bother you

[5:38:38 AM] Erik Broes: Because it is $100k spent on items that belong to the users already; they have paid for them by buying the game

[5:38:52 AM] VoxaDub: Well I guess I better get my youtube going

[5:39:04 AM] calebmerridethbell: http://prntscr.com/3pdink any help?

[5:39:11 AM] calebmerridethbell: Keeps giving http://prntscr.com/3pdiee

[5:39:14 AM] Erik Broes: you do not get to resell IP that users already paid for

[5:39:14 AM] bloxparadise_: they bought the game not extra items bro

[5:39:15 AM] Erik Broes: cannot be that hard to understand that

[5:39:19 AM] ileetgamerx: (facepalm)

[5:39:22 AM] bloxparadise_: if I remove my donation system

[5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: I have a shop system

[5:39:27 AM] bloxparadise_: with signs

[5:39:41 AM] bloxparadise_: isn't that the same thing?

[5:39:49 AM] aa2202aa2202: ^^^^^^^^

[5:39:50 AM] aa2202aa2202: l0l

[5:39:57 AM] aa2202aa2202: No seriously though

[5:40:04 AM] aa2202aa2202: just wait out and see how mojang enforces these changes

[5:40:21 AM] Erik Broes: blox: there are no 'extra items'

[5:40:32 AM] VoxaDub: But I thought the entire goal of minecraft was to support development? And why would you take time to make awesome servers like that, that are custom developed not to thicken your pocket?

[5:41:02 AM] bloxparadise_: ^

[5:41:30 AM | Edited 5:41:35 AM] VoxaDub: Theres not 'extra items' on donation stores?

[5:41:58 AM] VoxaDub: Its all stuff you can do just ingame essentially

[5:41:58 AM] Erik Broes: huh? the goal of minecraft to support development? that makes no sense

[5:42:03 AM] VoxaDub: for the most part at least

[5:42:22 AM] bloxparadise_: neither does your stupid ass eula

[5:42:35 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Erik are you done talking yet

[5:42:55 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: Could we at least have our final moments with server profits be peaceful

[5:42:56 AM] 9gigsofram: is it differant if they can earn the items ingame?

[5:43:16 AM] Erik Broes: blox: feel free to grow up :)

[5:43:24 AM] bloxparadise_: lool

[5:43:48 AM] VoxaDub: Sorry worded odd, meant to say that a large part of minecraft was the development side of it, and mojang initially supporting it such as mods and new server gamemodes and such and with the new enforced EULA's that wont be nearly as much of a possibility

[5:43:53 AM] bloxparadise_: im 15, not ready for that yet

[5:44:12 AM] aa2202aa2202: Guys

[5:44:19 AM] VoxaDub: @Reno yup, yup, yup....

[5:44:31 AM] Erik Broes: blox: but you can read right? so you must be able to read the EULA? :D

[5:44:46 AM] Erik Broes: not will we ever

[5:44:59 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we *never* supported mods of any sorts

[5:45:01 AM] VoxaDub: Well hopefully we at least get the summer :P

[5:45:05 AM] Erik Broes: and there are no 'new server game modes' -- people added minigames -- that's it

[5:45:07 AM] bloxparadise_: yeh I can read it but it's still stupid as fuck

[5:45:20 AM] VoxaDub: Erik was it not encouraged though?....

[5:45:39 AM] Erik Broes: yeah i agree, its stupid as fuck that eventhough the EULA says you cannot make money you start making money of it

[5:45:41 AM] ileetgamerx: The stupidity that I just read... (facepalm)

[5:45:41 AM] VoxaDub: Thats like a huge aspect of minecraft

[5:45:50 AM] Erik Broes: i mean that is as stupid as spending the money from a paypal 'donation' before the contestation period is over

[5:45:54 AM] VoxaDub: Mainly a large reason why it got so popular

[5:46:07 AM | Edited 5:46:35 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: ONE MAJOR RULE

The one major rule is that you must not distribute anything we‘ve made. By “distribute anything we‘ve made” what we mean is “give copies of the game away, make commercial use of, try to make money from, or let other people get access to our game and its parts in a way that is unfair or unreasonable”. So the one major rule is that (unless we specifically agree it – such as in brand and asset usage guidelines) you must not:

- give copies of our Game to anyone else;

- make commercial use of anything we‘ve made;

- try to make money from anything we‘ve made; or

- let other people get access to anything we‘ve made in a way that is unfair or unreasonable.

…and so that we are crystal clear, what we have made includes, but is not limited to, the client or the server software for our Game. It also includes modified versions of a Game, part of it or anything else we‘ve made.

Otherwise we are quite relaxed about what you do - in fact we really encourage you to do cool stuff - but just don‘t do those things that we say you can‘t.

[5:46:11 AM] wavemakerhse: erik what was that whole modding panel at minecon about?

[5:46:25 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we didn't not let you do it as many other games did

[5:46:35 AM] VoxaDub: Because it was one of the first games to be truly open source for the most part that allowed freedom to the players to create it as they wanted

[5:46:37 AM] wavemakerhse: the community is what made minecraft minecraft. and the community decided to innovate

[5:46:41 AM] aa2202aa2202: Then mojang decides to kill it

[5:47:17 AM] 9gigsofram: erik

[5:47:21 AM] Erik Broes: x_Height: about what modders do with the game? doesn't mean we support it in any official capacity

[5:47:28 AM] 9gigsofram: put the eula change out after you put out the modding api

[5:47:41 AM] 9gigsofram: (rofl)

[5:47:41 AM] wavemakerhse: and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell

[5:47:46 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: we've never been opensource -- we haven't cracked down on people decompiling the game and changing it -- the rules around this never have changed though

[5:47:58 AM] Reno Philibert | MineDesign: You know, the more I look at Mojang's logo, the more it looks like they took the Apple logo and messed with it

[5:48:02 AM] Erik Broes: 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding api

[5:48:08 AM] VoxaDub: Im really confused to be hones, you seem to be going two sided on a lot of things.

[5:48:18 AM] bloxparadise_: ^^^^^

[5:48:52 AM] VoxaDub: Erik: I meant opensource in broader terms, more for modding and server plugin wise

[5:48:56 AM] ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] x_Height | Ethan:

<<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^

[5:49:38 AM | Edited 5:49:40 AM] bloxparadise_: [5:48 AM] Leet:

<<< and this is what we have created. Now if you want to take that from us just because we have begun to make more money than you. than your arrogant as hell^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[5:50:32 AM] bloxparadise_: lies

[5:50:35 AM] 9gigsofram: correct

[5:50:50 AM] VoxaDub: I somewhat doubt theres any server owners out there that have made more than mojang.

[5:51:06 AM] VoxaDub: I dont recall any server owner managing to make around 500mil or more off his/her server

[5:51:27 AM] Erik Broes: Reno: its like a sewing machine :P

[5:51:46 AM] Erik Broes: we dont make $500M of our server either :P

[5:52:19 AM] nextinlinebro_: I dont think any of us make 500 Million

[5:52:20 AM] nextinlinebro_: lol

[5:52:24 AM] dillyg10: I do

[5:52:26 AM] wavemakerhse: voxadub, I was talking about everyone in general

[5:52:39 AM] VoxaDub: Yeah I was referring to game sales on all platforms

[5:53:01 AM] bloxparadise_: ./eco reset hypixel

[5:53:02 AM | Edited 5:53:06 AM] bloxparadise_: happy?

[5:53:23 AM] bloxparadise_: if I made 500 million I wouldn't be here arguing

[5:54:10 AM] wavemakerhse: XD\

[5:54:36 AM] VoxaDub: x_height, I still highly doubt all servers pooled together it would be more than what mojang made

[5:54:50 AM] ileetgamerx: [5:48 AM] Erik Broes:

<<< 9gigsofram: so never? we're not doing a modding api..What made you guys decide to not work on the mod api?

[5:55:04 AM] bloxparadise_: doubt it also

[5:55:16 AM] Erik Broes: VoxaDub: and still any server making anything through sales is wrong

[5:55:21 AM] Erik Broes: which is almost every server :)

[5:55:36 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: plugin api? :P

[5:55:57 AM] bloxparadise_: how is it wrong

[5:56:00 AM] dillyg10: You know, I think I agree with Erik in the new EULA

[5:56:16 AM] wavemakerhse: how is it wrong?

[5:56:21 AM] bloxparadise_: the fuck

[5:56:36 AM] danstoogood: Erik

[5:56:38 AM] VoxaDub: Without the EULA though how is it 'wrong'?

[5:56:41 AM] ileetgamerx: No, the mod api, that you talked about here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uTl3aWEvEA

[5:56:42 AM] danstoogood: what happened to your server? :O

[5:56:46 AM] danstoogood: is it still out there? :O

[5:56:50 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: yes i think so -- havent been there for eons though

[5:56:55 AM] Erik Broes: think it shrunk a bit :)

[5:57:27 AM] Erik Broes: Leet: i never talked about a mod api

[5:57:32 AM] dillyg10: Server owerns have gotten greedy

[5:57:36 AM | Edited 5:57:45 AM] dillyg10: It's time to make a change

[5:58:03 AM | Edited 5:58:11 AM] wavemakerhse: Please respond to the question erik. What is wrong with us making money off of minecraft

[5:58:18 AM] Erik Broes: ^^ :D

[5:58:19 AM] VoxaDub: So has mojang? So hows it any different?

[5:58:20 AM] bloxparadise_: HOW

[5:58:32 AM] bloxparadise_: how much did he pay you

[5:58:47 AM] danstoogood: Erik could you link us to the server?

[5:58:54 AM] dillyg10: Seriously, looking at the back and forth here

[5:58:57 AM] danstoogood: or atleast provide us with the name?

[5:59:03 AM] Erik Broes: how on earth have we gotten greedy?

[5:59:04 AM] dillyg10: No wonder he's taking away your profit

[5:59:10 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: tweakcraft.net iirc

[5:59:13 AM] dillyg10: You all act like a bunch of dicks to him

[5:59:31 AM] VoxaDub: Dilly do you even run a server?

[5:59:37 AM] dillyg10: If THIS is what is representing the server owner community

[5:59:45 AM] Drew: Erik sounds like a 12yr old troll

[5:59:47 AM] dillyg10: Then I can totally understand why Mojang wants to do what it's doing

[5:59:56 AM] bloxparadise_: hey we tried talking to him but he's too busy learning swedish or whatever the fuck it was

[6:00:15 AM] VoxaDub: How am I acting like a dick? I'm having a civil argument.

[6:00:23 AM] danstoogood: ouch Erik

[6:00:28 AM] dillyg10: I do Voxa

[6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: your server offers VIP

[6:00:28 AM] danstoogood: http://www.tweakcraft.net/donate

[6:00:43 AM] danstoogood: Access to the VIP forum

Access to the Survival world (without a separate request via forum)

Participation in VIP meetings

More teleport options, such as / tp, / TPON, / tpoff, / tpback, / tpforward

TNT arrows using / tnta

Sponges also work on lava

[6:01:08 AM] VoxaDub: lol....

[6:01:38 AM] ileetgamerx: [6:00 AM] Amir Omidi:

<<< You're making money off of someone elses workI thoght someone building something or someone making a plugin or a mod was their own work?..

[6:01:49 AM] danstoogood: you call it a donation

[6:01:55 AM] danstoogood: but I thought you were offering all of that

[6:02:02 AM] danstoogood: it's a purchase then, SURELY?

[6:02:20 AM] danstoogood: THIS HYPOCRISY IS INCREDIBLE

[6:02:38 AM] bloxparadise_: this chat is giving me cancer

[6:02:39 AM] *** bloxparadise_ has left ***

[6:02:53 AM] Erik Broes: dan that was different when I was still involved; they'd also have to change

[6:03:36 AM] Erik Broes: Amir: so they are not 'ingame' -- that is the part tha matters

[6:03:49 AM] Erik Broes: you can sell whatever the fuck you want -- but it has nothing to do with our game and shouldn;t be reflected in it

[6:04:53 AM] VoxaDub: Idea: Mojang makes the next mineplex makes 1mil per month everyones happy

[6:05:10 AM | Edited 6:05:54 AM] danstoogood: we are ripping people off - when Mojang is charging £8 a month for a 20 slot server

Erik accuses us of mispresenting information - http://puu.sh/9dIAE/04ae67f142.png - yet a server he is an "administrator" on has a 15 EURO payment option for VIP that they call a donation, phaa

we're using Mojang's "platform" to make money which is apparently so different to them using oracles platform to make money

all of these changes Erik is stating is purely his opinion, and he's breaking the EULA himself (yes, he's an employee too!?!?!)

[6:05:20 AM] Erik Broes: no because its not about the money VoxaDub

[6:05:36 AM] Erik Broes: Dan: *WAS* an adminisrtator

[6:05:52 AM] danstoogood: seems you're still listed there

[6:05:57 AM] VoxaDub: Worth a shot :P

[6:05:58 AM] Erik Broes: i havent done anything with that server since 6-7 months after Bukkit started orso

[6:06:00 AM] danstoogood: I thought the EULA was always like that?

[6:06:04 AM] danstoogood: as you yourself said

[6:06:11 AM] Erik Broes: yes, listed because they are proud i was there once upon a time

[6:06:20 AM] Erik Broes: i have no rights at all, 'old furniture' it is :P

[6:06:21 AM] danstoogood: but Erik, the EULA has always been like that

[6:06:32 AM] VoxaDub: Then how is it up to date? Has 1.7 really been out that long? o.O

[6:06:51 AM] xllgummybearxll: Are you going to charge us t