User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 2 years ago #1 What the Hungry Pickle Set does:

- Keeps you alive (thus not wasting other's carts or your potions).

- Makes your green extract grabs not useless (as it is with most other damage builds).

- Deals high damage.

- Dragon Element is medium (decent) so aerial moves are not as bad as RAW damage builds. Also many things are weak to Dragon.

- High Elder seal. No longer limited to Nergigante Weapons and this helps when hunting Elder Dragons of course as at least one in the party needs it.

- Heal Dusts are boosted by both Glaive and Skill (not sure if that helps others), but the Heal Dusts are Team Friendly heals.

Thought process on designing the Hungry Pickle Set:

1. Want to use all the Grunge Storm weapon has.

2. Oh, it has a Health Kinsect Boost. Let's use a Heal Dust Kinsect Grancathar III to use this as it has maxed speed with the best heal.

3. The Kinsect also has high heal for green essence. Both are boosted by Recovery Up, yay, let's get that.

4. Let's further make use of Recovery Up with the lifesteal augments because those are fun.

5. Because of the super healing, Peak Performance is a must. This makes up for the lack of Attack Boost.

6. Hmm, this is the second highest Dragon Elemental Glaive, let's boost it to max, thankfully easy with only 2 to max.

7. Now to deal with the negative affinity, welp, Weakness Exploit is standard and fixes that.

8. For every Handicraft the Grunge Storm gets gives +10 white sharpness. Want at least 3.

9. Need a Protective Polish deco because the Insect Glaive is a fast hitting weapon.

10. Want Maximum Might 2 (3 not needed) to get out of negative affinity, but it will not fit. So just fill out the rest with the best you can get.

11. Wow, the whole concept of eating the opponent for life also seems to really fit the Demon Pickle's image, so I feel like this works even better. Didn't even think of that at the start. Originally didn't even think of a lifesteal build until I worked with the Insect Glaive version of Pickle's weapon because of the Heal Kinsect Boost.



Thus a build that takes into the theme of the hungry, hungry Pickle.

http://mhworld.tabletopgeeks.com/?build=10||19|0|0|0|5|5|0||30|40|0|0||57|69|0|0||87|72|72|72||67|96|0|0||21|22|22|0||94|



Hungry Pickle Set

Stats

. . . . . . Attack: 682 (744 with Peak Performance) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Defense: 364

. . . . . .Affinity: -19% . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Fire: 1

. . . . .Element: 270 Dragon . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Water: 10

. . .Sharpness: +50 White (Jho gets +10 white per handicraft) . . . . .Thunder: -6

. . . Elder Seal: High . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Ice: 3

Kinsect Bonus: Health . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Dragon: -9

Skills

. . . . . . .Handicraft: 5/5

.Weakness Exploit: 3/3

Peak Performance: 3/3

. . . . .Recovery Up: 3/3

. . . . . . Critical Eye: 2/7

. . . .Dragon Attack: 2/5

. .Protective Polish: 1/1

. . . . . . . . Lifesteal: 19.5% per Hit http://mhworld.tabletopgeeks.com/?build=10||19|0|0|0|5|5|0||30|40|0|0||57|69|0|0||87|72|72|72||67|96|0|0||21|22|22|0||94|

User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #2 Equipment and Decorations

Weapon: Grunge Storm

. . . . . . . . . . . . < > Health Augment

. . . . . . . . . . . . < > Health Augment



Kinsect: Grancathar III

. . . . . . . . . . .Type: Sever

. Element: Dragon: 10

. . . . . . . . . .Power: 3

. . . . . . . . . .Speed: 15

. . . . . . . . . . . Heal: 11

. . . . . . . . . . . Dust: Heal



Helmet: Dragonking Eyepatch Alpha

. . . . . . . . . . . . <3> Handicraft



Chest: Kushala Beta

. . . . . . . . . . . . <2> Protective Polish



Arms: Vaal Hazak Beta

. . . . . . . . . . . . <1> Recovery Up

. . . . . . . . . . . . <1> Recovery Up

. . . . . . . . . . . . <1> Recovery Up



Waist: Odogaron Beta

. . . . . . . . . . . . <2> Weakness Exploit



Legs: Death Stench Beta

. . . . . . . . . . . . <1> Dragon Attack

. . . . . . . . . . . . <1> Dragon Attack



Charm: Unscathed Charm II

Reasoning for the build.

<> Handicraft is only so high because I could not work Maximum Might into the build. I wouldn't mind dropping to Handicraft 3 and dropping the Critical Eye 2 if it was possible, but I couldn't find a combination that still gave the other abilities.



<> The Odogaron Waist Beta could be exchanged for the Nergigante Coil Beta, which would swap the Critical Eye 2 for Attack 2, but I'd rather cancel out a bit of the negative affinity by a bit for when not hitting those weak points with Weakness Exploit.



<> Reasoning for Recovery Up is to make full use of the Grunge Storm. This is also why I went with two Health Augments over one Health Augment and an Affinity Augment. Since I was already boosting the healing with the skill, I might as well get the biggest one I can. It also fits the image of the Demon Pickle eating everything. To add to that, the Kinsect is the speed/healing type. This is the fastest healing Kinsect. With both good heals on green extracts and heal dust clouds. For those that didn't know, Recovery Up boosts both of those. Thus making this armor skill boost 3 different aspects of the build. To add to that, Peak Performace is almost always up because of all the healing. No need for potions again (unless you get spooked and just pop a max potion).



<> Dragon Attack to max out the slightly higher dragon base than Nerg's Glaive. Only 2 points to max.



<> Protective Polish just because.



<> Like with Maximum Might mentioned earlier, I would like Elemental Crit, but couldn't fit it in. Ah well.



<> This build was to try and take advantage of every boost the Grunge Storm has to offer. Was thought of based on image of what Jho does (eating everything) and the fact that it's glaive kinsect boost is Health, which further boosts the heals from the kinsect.



<> Make sure to bring Whetfish Scales (easy to farm from fishing). This will do the same as Speed Sharpening 2 for quick sharpening in a fight to trigger Protective Polish.



<> With Weakness Exploit 3, you will be at 31% affinity when attacking weakpoints, so that's fine. Further boosted with the Affinity Booster to 81% while it's up. This was why I wanted Maximum Might 2 (3 not needed) as it would put it at a base of 1%, 51% at weakpoints and 101% with the booster, but oh well). You will have a -19% affinity when not hitting weakpoints, but that's fine. <>is only so high because I could not work Maximum Might into the build. I wouldn't mind dropping to Handicraft 3 and dropping the Critical Eye 2 if it was possible, but I couldn't find a combination that still gave the other abilities.<> Thecould be exchanged for the, which would swap the Critical Eye 2 for Attack 2, but I'd rather cancel out a bit of the negative affinity by a bit for when not hitting those weak points with Weakness Exploit.<> Reasoning foris to make full use of the Grunge Storm. This is also why I went with two Health Augments over one Health Augment and an Affinity Augment. Since I was already boosting the healing with the skill, I might as well get the biggest one I can. It also fits the image of the Demon Pickle eating everything. To add to that, the Kinsect is the speed/healing type. This is the fastest healing Kinsect. With both good heals on green extracts and heal dust clouds. For those that didn't know, Recovery Up boosts both of those. Thus making this armor skill boost 3 different aspects of the build. To add to that, Peak Performace is almost always up because of all the healing. No need for potions again (unless you get spooked and just pop a max potion).<>to max out the slightly higher dragon base than Nerg's Glaive. Only 2 points to max.<>just because.<> Like with Maximum Might mentioned earlier, I would like Elemental Crit, but couldn't fit it in. Ah well.<> This build was to try and take advantage of every boost the Grunge Storm has to offer. Was thought of based on image of what Jho does (eating everything) and the fact that it's glaive kinsect boost is Health, which further boosts the heals from the kinsect.<> Make sure to bring(easy to farm from fishing). This will do the same asfor quick sharpening in a fight to trigger<> With, you will be atwhen attacking weakpoints, so that's fine. Further boosted with the Affinity Booster towhile it's up. This was why I wanted Maximum Might 2 (3 not needed) as it would put it at a base of 1%, 51% at weakpoints and 101% with the booster, but oh well). You will have a -19% affinity when not hitting weakpoints, but that's fine.

User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #3 Extra Note:

Kinsect dusts affect how often it auto attacks.

Blast = 4.5sec

Poison = 4.5sec

Paralysis = 5.5 sec

Heal = 7.0 sec



So you'll be generating a boosted Healing Dust Cloud every 7 seconds. Will need to test how if it's boosted for other people (from both the glaive and recovery up) or if only the level of the Kinsect affects how much it heals others. Either way, those two do affect it when it heals yourself.

Color Choices

After much deliberation and testing of different colors, it turns out that it was best to color everything in that dark green of the Pickle itself. This seems to have worked out really well as the Kushala Plate and Odo Waist have hint's of red on them. This gives the set the Pickle Green with it's Red highlights. To add to that, when you have Red Buff (or any red buff combination), you Glow with Red Lines just like the Demon Pickle when it's angry. Thus, this set is as much a fashion set as it is a functional set. I'm actually quite proud of this.



Note that in the pictures below, I'm using the Death Stench Alpha legs because it places dark colors along both legs. If using the Beta, then one leg will have a white cloth on it, while the other leg is black, giving it one slightly off color. For a fashion hunter, that may look just a bit off, but if you don't need the Dragon Attack and need the slots for something else for some reason, then Beta it is. Not that it's bad, the Alpha just looks better.

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User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #4 Bit more talk. Let's go over why I think this is the best build possible for the Pickle Glaive.



Not only does it keep you alive. It gives your team minor heals and the damage is respectable. How respectable? Let's cover that.



Because of all the healing, Peak Performance will always be up. So I shall be calculating it after that bonus.



Let's compare it using this more standard attack and crit boost set posted by zeroctrl in the IG thread:

http://mhworld.tabletopgeeks.com/?build=10||19|0|0|0|2|1|0||78|22|22|0||77|6|0|0||81|17|0|0||65|17|0|0||21|6|6|0||59|



This set gives Attack Boost 5, Crit Boost 3, WE 3, Crit Eye 3, Handicraft 2, Dragon Attack 2 and Crit Element (I am envious of that Crit Element....).



To make it simpler, let's just cover the Attack Part without the Element, as element crit is different depending on the weapon (x1.2 to x1.3 depending, I think IG get's the x1.25, but needs confirmation).



Hungry Pickle without WE, with Peak Performance:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * -19/100) = 302 RAW (937 Attack)



Hungry Pickle with WE, with Peak Performance:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * 31/100) = 342 RAW (1061 Attack)



zeroctrl's set without WE, with Critical Boost:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.4 * 0/100) = 317 RAW (983 Attack)



zeroctrl's set with WE, with Critical Boost:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.4 * 50/100) = 381 RAW (1182 Attack)



Now, as you can see, zeroctrl's set is quite nice on the damage department. Per hit, it will do 4.9% more damage when not hitting weakpoints and 11.4% more damage when hitting crit points. That crit damage will be a bit more with the element crit, but in reality, that's all the extra damage you'll get from a crit boost damage set.



However, to do that 5-11% more damage, you miss out on 20% lifesteal per hit, boosted green essense heals, boosted dust heals (that teammates can use), boosted potion heals, protective polish (which the damage set can squeeze in for lowering the damage) and +30 more white sharpness.



All those ways to keep full HP, longer up time from not only having more white, but also having protective polish. With the extra added bonus of your potions healing even more than normal to save on even more items. All of that can easily make up the difference from the damage difference of 5-11%. With so much more up time, you should be getting as good of times, if not possibly better times. The only way the damage set would get better times is if you are perfect at dodging everything and never needing to heal. Will still need to however sharpen quite often (since IG is a fast hitting weapon), adding down time there.



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Now the only thing else to test is exactly how much you can heal off of Dusts and Green Essence. Need to check how much it is both boosted and not boosted (cause numbers are nice). Along with needing to get a buddy to help test to see if Recovery Up and the Kinsect Heal Boost on the glaive boost the Dusts for friends or not. But that's for another time. Want to get back to hinting things after all this for now.

User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #5 There we go.

User Info: BurningLance BurningLance 2 years ago #6 Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb!

3DS FC: 1375-7222-3011 -- PSN: BurningLance_2 -- ESO EU Ebonheart. looks nice

User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #7 BurningLance posted...

looks nice

Thanks, I put a lot of thought into it.



I posted a link on reddit and a guy called MH-Marlow-Holt said he might do the same, but use only one Lifesteal Augment and one Affinity Augment. So let's do the math to see what you gain from that:



Hungry Pickle without WE, with Peak Performance and using 1 Affinity Augment:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * -9/100) = 310 RAW (961 Attack)



Hungry Pickle with WE, with Peak Performance and using 1 Affinity Augment:

240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * 41/100) = 350 RAW (1085 Attack)



As you can see, this that is both a +8 RAW damage boost to both with WE and without WE working, giving a 2.6% and a 2.3% damage boost respectively.



That means you're essentially trading away 7% lifesteal (dropping from 20% to 13%) for only 2.5% damage. That's quite an exchange of lifesteal for a little damage (in my opinion). And since you don't often have full Recovery Up on a set, I feel that full Lifesteal works best in this case after seeing the numbers.



Of course, to each their own. Though, with a larger lifesteal, the easier it is to maintain (get back) Peak Performance so that you are in optimum damage state. Thanks, I put a lot of thought into it.I posted a link on reddit and a guy called MH-Marlow-Holt said he might do the same, but use only one Lifesteal Augment and one Affinity Augment. So let's do the math to see what you gain from that:240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * -9/100) = 310 RAW240 * 1.32 * (1.0 + 0.25 * 41/100) = 350 RAWAs you can see, this that is both a +8 RAW damage boost to both with WE and without WE working, giving a 2.6% and a 2.3% damage boost respectively.That means you're essentially trading away 7% lifesteal (dropping from 20% to 13%) for only 2.5% damage. That's quite an exchange of lifesteal for a little damage (in my opinion). And since you don't often have full Recovery Up on a set, I feel that full Lifesteal works best in this case after seeing the numbers.Of course, to each their own. Though, with a larger lifesteal, the easier it is to maintain (get back) Peak Performance so that you are in optimum damage state.

User Info: DigitalFury_ DigitalFury_ 2 years ago #8 XBL GT: M0NSTERRA1N I just guard lance. Makes Jho easy mode.

User Info: blackkat101 blackkat101 (Topic Creator) 2 years ago #9 DigitalFury_ posted...

I just guard lance. Makes Jho easy mode.

What does that have to do about anything? This thread has nothing to do with hunting the Pickle (other than to get the mats to make the weapon). What does that have to do about anything? This thread has nothing to do with hunting the Pickle (other than to get the mats to make the weapon).