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Who are we up against?



Groups:



Trolls Type A and B



Competitors: Zuesshash, zoomhash, all hardware vendors, startup cloud services,



Future Competitors and Financial institutions: PayPal/Ebay, Visa/MC/Discover, Payment Processors, Crypto Payment Processors, Coinbase.





Who are they:





Two Smaller groups:



A very small segment of crypto founders who are simply concerned like the orthodox church that science is evil, progress is bad, etc. History is littered with examples of orthodox thinkers killing off progress due to fear. Many of these are well respected individuals in both the crypto and business communities.





Hackers/Attackers a small group of skilled users and groups will always target us as we are worth a ton of money to exploit. This is the nature of running online services.





Trolls Type A:



Have a lot of free time.



Have an actual not factual issue with use due to the 1-5% error rate in order processing of gaw and zen.



May have acted at a bad time and lost money at something they considered an investment. (their bad timing makes them angry at us)



Want acknowledgement that we did them wrong and an apology or just want free money.



How to stop them: The company and a customer would have to approach each individual, find out why they feel they were wronged and come up with a resolution.



Trolls Type B:



The angry pitchfork mob.



"Protect the community from GAW"



Love attention: See scott booth.



Act like children by repeatedly poking and getting more and more personal with attacks which is classic attention seeking behavior.



Use illogical arguments and fallacies.



How to stop them: They need something to do. If we ignore them they will not get the attention they seek, if they have a new shinier object to play with they will also go away.





Competitors:



Mined our coin with rented hashpower,



have a valid issue with us in that we innovate further and faster than they can even dream of,



attempt to gather the trolls in a timing strategy against us



Coordinate product releases and



How to stop them: PR. Innovation campaigns, flooding news, forums, blogs, social media with stories about us.







Future Competitors: This is the big boys (talk to someone honest in crypto+finance) PayPal, Ebay, Visa, Mastercard, Etc. When you stir the trillion dollar pot expect a response just like throwing rocks at a beehive.



How to stop them: Stand your ground.



What are the goals:



Hold the XPY value down, preferably under $4 per coin as that represents the customer ICO value. By holding the coin under $4 these parties will be able to spread considerable concern amongst customers and supporters.





Prevent us from being successfully with PayBase. All new releases and features announced or implemented will be dissected in an attempt to find a regulation, a term of service with a vendor, a bug or exploit, or any other means by which our development could be slowed down or stalled.





Spread as much negative media as possible. It's a classic smear campaign orchestrated from multiple sides. The only two ways to fight negative PR are A) Admit it and move forward or B) Flood the same channels with good stories and PR.





The Miami conference is a massive target as preventing us from going would accomplish all of the above goals in their eyes.

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target: get xpy over $20 for paybase launch



Naturally, I will use people's excitement as the primary fuel for my plan



Tomorrow morning I will start dropping lines that the storm is coming.



Throughout the day, I will build the momentum.



Tomorrow afternoon will be act one. We will release the new paybase site,

and an announcement about the launch promotion. We will also announce the

Paybase Prime program. The paybase prime program is an invite only club

that offers first dibs on new features, rare promotions, voting on future

features and more. We will give it out to those that hold their xpy and

only use it to purchase with.



We will start creating buy walls and get everyone supper amped.



I hope to end the night around 14



Then Monday comes. Hopefully we will start the day around the same $14.

Naturally we will keep pumping out messages through the whole day. Building

the price.



Monday afternoon will be my final climax. We will announce people's wallets

to stake at the prime rate. Plus, the new Amazon integration. Presented

right, that can be the ko



I am hoping by then the price will be at $20, then paybase launches.



Joe, I will likely tell people that we are going to start rolling out the

Amazon integration in order of those that hold and





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*Josh Garza*

*CEO- *GAW Corp



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stake at the prime rate. Plus, the new Amazon integration.=C2=A0Presented =

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the price will be at $20, then paybase launches.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=

><div>Joe, I will likely tell people that we are going to start rolling out=

the Amazon integration in order of those that hold and=C2=A0</div><br><br>=

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LegendaryActivity: 1526Merit: 1000 Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) April 15, 2015, 04:15:25 PM #31391 Quote from: bumpershot on April 15, 2015, 03:59:13 PM Quote from: recon_eric on April 15, 2015, 03:33:27 PM Since apparently every conversation ever had is public knowledge . . .



I know, right?



What I'm most interested in is the how something like this develops. They started by dropshipping miners. Then they moved to hosting. Then at some point they said fuck it and stopped having actual hardware backing up their hosted miners.



That last one is the big leap. Who on earth would think it's a good idea to make "virtual" (yes, I wrote the forbidden word) miners instead of doing what they actually claim to be doing? I just don't get that jump.



Up until that point, they seem pretty legit. Then, things just snowball, and the Paycoin fraud is almost a natural progression.



It's that first jump that confuses me, and that conversation doesn't appear to be in any email. Why would a seemingly legit company suddenly decide to lie to its consumers and sell something completely different than what the consumer actually gets?



And it's not just one guy. It's like four guys (well, three to five guys) at the same time decided to make that leap.



Maybe I'm misreading stuff, but that's how it seems to have played out. Fortunately, one of those guys is penitent, so once it's legally viable, we may actually get a description of how all of it went down.

I know, right?What I'm most interested in is the how something like this develops. They started by dropshipping miners. Then they moved to hosting. Then at some point they said fuck it and stopped having actual hardware backing up their hosted miners.That last one is the big leap. Who on earth would think it's a good idea to make "virtual" (yes, I wrote the forbidden word) miners instead of doing what they actually claim to be doing? I just don't get that jump.Up until that point, they seem pretty legit. Then, things just snowball, and the Paycoin fraud is almost a natural progression.It's that first jump that confuses me, and that conversation doesn't appear to be in any email. Why would a seemingly legit company suddenly decide to lie to its consumers and sell something completely different than what the consumer actually gets?And it's not just one guy. It's like four guys (well, three to five guys) at the same time decided to make that leap.Maybe I'm misreading stuff, but that's how it seems to have played out. Fortunately, one of those guys is penitent, so once it's legally viable, we may actually get a description of how all of it went down.

It's the natural thing to do.



Someone is paying you 1 bitcoin to run a machine that will generate less than 1 bitcoin. Why bother with all the expenses involved in buying and running the machines when you can just move money around databases?



If they were legit they would have lots of overhead and are limited by the amount of hashpower they actually have. By "going virtual" they have no expenses and can just keep collecting money as long as people are willing to give it. It's the natural thing to do.Someone is paying you 1 bitcoin to run a machine that will generate less than 1 bitcoin. Why bother with all the expenses involved in buying and running the machines when you can just move money around databases?If they were legit they would have lots of overhead and are limited by the amount of hashpower they actually have. By "going virtual" they have no expenses and can just keep collecting money as long as people are willing to give it.

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Full MemberActivity: 140Merit: 100 Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) April 15, 2015, 04:15:54 PM #31392 Quote from: maildir on April 15, 2015, 04:11:10 PM



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target: get xpy over $20 for paybase launch



Naturally, I will use people's excitement as the primary fuel for my plan



Tomorrow morning I will start dropping lines that the storm is coming.



Throughout the day, I will build the momentum.



Tomorrow afternoon will be act one. We will release the new paybase site,

and an announcement about the launch promotion. We will also announce the

Paybase Prime program. The paybase prime program is an invite only club

that offers first dibs on new features, rare promotions, voting on future

features and more. We will give it out to those that hold their xpy and

only use it to purchase with.



We will start creating buy walls and get everyone supper amped.



I hope to end the night around 14



Then Monday comes. Hopefully we will start the day around the same $14.

Naturally we will keep pumping out messages through the whole day. Building

the price.



Monday afternoon will be my final climax. We will announce people's wallets

to stake at the prime rate. Plus, the new Amazon integration. Presented

right, that can be the ko



I am hoping by then the price will be at $20, then paybase launches.



Joe, I will likely tell people that we are going to start rolling out the

Amazon integration in order of those that hold and





--



*Josh Garza*

*CEO- *GAW Corp



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target: get xpy over $20 for paybase launch=C2=A0<div><br></div>Naturally, =

I will use people's excitement as the primary fuel for my plan=C2=A0<di=

v><br></div><div>Tomorrow morning I will start dropping lines that the stor=

m is coming.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Throughout the day, I will buil=

d the momentum.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div>Tomorrow afternoon will be act on=

e. We will release the new paybase site, and an announcement about the laun=

ch promotion. We will also announce the Paybase Prime program. The paybase =

prime program is an invite only club that offers first dibs on new features=

, rare promotions, voting on future features and more. We will give it out =

to those that hold their xpy and only use it to purchase with.=C2=A0<div><b=

r></div><div>We will start creating buy walls and get everyone supper amped=

.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I hope to end the night around 14=C2=A0</d=

iv><div><br></div><div>Then Monday comes. Hopefully we will start the day a=

round the same $14. Naturally we will keep pumping out messages through the=

whole day. Building the price.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Monday after=

noon will be my final climax. We will announce=C2=A0people's wallets to=

stake at the prime rate. Plus, the new Amazon integration.=C2=A0Presented =

right, that can be the ko</div><div><br></div><div>I am=C2=A0hoping by then=

the price will be at $20, then paybase launches.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=

><div>Joe, I will likely tell people that we are going to start rolling out=

the Amazon integration in order of those that hold and=C2=A0</div><br><br>=

-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><b style=3D"font-size:small"><span style=

=3D"color:rgb(204,0,0)">Josh Garza</span></b><br style=3D"font-family:arial=

;font-size:small"><b style=3D"font-family:arial;font-size:small"><span styl=

e=3D"color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:arial,sans-serif">CEO</span>-=C2=A0</b=

><span style=3D"font-size:small;color:rgb(68,68,68);font-family:Georgia,ser=

if">GAW Corp</span><br></div></div><br>



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