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[2a00:1450:400c:c09::229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k4si12222099wjz.8.2015.11.19.12.00.30 for <john.podesta@gmail.com> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:00:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of faiz.shakir@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c09::229; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of faiz.shakir@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c09::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=faiz.shakir@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-wm0-x229.google.com with SMTP id c201so33261800wme.0 for <john.podesta@gmail.com>; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:00:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=oKSJsXa3SRpLTJ4l5RVutBlIwBvnDdAT/wbpZRiznOo=; b=eRRkzqlejWAvH2wIxSR2xfDovAwE7X6bNUmeW7l9x9hXcc0ruwYof5bRh0HZ4P4Ukq EqBq0MvhmKFU28Z2mAzTsYHin8RjmPKunDUcecKSQiqxb7ohdm9+1KpcuDOVGtmYxWiA 1bsTxu20+dPPUUj+T9N3FY+7Z2w3c37MivdTTjJB6dCRwZrdB72IpdW8owJuqxNAAwzc J8iTlf1nImU6nFdIqaMKBQFpCGhZcbjW65Xn/W5l0Xg4OvMWBCQS+EB9hVCHnlnjEN56 WviQTZKpt+n/P4aGIUFUdVP/w4EdThzCqVodLtBGsocb02wGbLZR1+r0zOCVoJuF4hUn NC5w== X-Received: by 10.28.126.197 with SMTP id z188mr13411737wmc.88.1447963230105; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:00:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.162.136 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:00:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <CAE6FiQ-4O6yZNqnE4vHM=9obLqdCvA2fqivN5HKuxed5gcK=MQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAE6FiQ-4O6yZNqnE4vHM=9obLqdCvA2fqivN5HKuxed5gcK=MQ@mail.gmail.com> From: Faiz Shakir <faiz.shakir@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: <CABBWjNOmpNyfDRjz-77xqhhb=3epYJX24MYHRS5xQqOgvK7AFQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What did you think of the speech? To: John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11419caafa77810524ea35ea --001a11419caafa77810524ea35ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I, and many many others in this building, appreciated the courage of HRC standing up for refugees at a moment when some Dems were going soft. That= =E2=80=99s first and foremost. You could have followed the Schumer path and you didn=E2=80=99t. Not sure if people on the outside appreciate that, but we c= ertainly do. I think the =E2=80=9Cradical jihadism=E2=80=9D language works well. As you = know, I wouldn=E2=80=99t have picked the fight over =E2=80=9Cradical islam=E2=80=9D to begin with. I= =E2=80=99m always happy to just concede that it=E2=80=99s a real thing and define it as a marginali= zed strain, which she did do today. I told Reid this, and I suggest it to you as well: you just don't want to be on the slippery slope of sounding like an imam who is defining what true islam is. From a policy perspective, there's a radical strain. Moreover, I like making the Muslim world feel like they need to activate to separate themselves and define themselves (which is happening). By the way, every time Reid has spoken out in defense of Muslims, it has our most popular messaging of anything we do. Really appreciated the Saudi hit on feeding radical ideology. I wish we could have a project on building a progressive Islam. Would require advocating for and lifting up progressive leaders in that nation to speak about it/ to do online campaigning around it/etc. We tend to be overly focused on the violent strains of the radicalism. But even if there weren= =E2=80=99t violence, the fact that too many who are for subjugation of women, against gays, against Jews and Christians, etc =E2=80=93 is a serious problem for o= ur future. Unfortunately, if you sounded progressive in the Middle East/Pakistan, you'd be putting yourself at security risk. Areas of concern: Saying no to 100k troops on the ground, leaving the door open to McCain/Graham=E2=80=99s 10k desire I personally would be a little harsher on saudi, uae, jordan, etc for leaving the fight in syria, but I understand that's thorny On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:29 PM, John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote: > --001a11419caafa77810524ea35ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I, and many many others in this bui= lding, appreciated the courage of HRC standing up for refugees at a moment when some Dems were goi= ng soft. That=E2=80=99s first and foremost. You could have followed the Schume= r path and you didn=E2=80=99t. Not sure if people on the outside appreciate that, but = we certainly do.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the =E2=80=9Cradical jihadism=E2=80=9D langu= age works well. As you know, I wouldn=E2=80=99t have picked the fight over =E2=80=9Cradical islam= =E2=80=9D to begin with. I=E2=80=99m always happy to just concede that it=E2=80=99s a real thing and define it as a mar= ginalized strain, which she did do today. I told Reid this, and I suggest it to you a= s well: you just don't want to be on the slippery slope of sounding lik= e an imam who is defining what true islam is. From a policy perspective, th= ere's a radical strain. Moreover, I like making the Muslim world feel l= ike they need to activate to separate themselves and define themselves (whi= ch is happening). By the way, every time Reid has spoken out in defense of = Muslims, it has our most popular messaging of anything we do.</p><p class= =3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Really appreciated the Saudi hit on feeding radical = ideology. I wish we could have a project on building a progressive Islam. W= ould require advocating for and lifting up progressive leaders in that nati= on to speak about it/ to do online campaigning around it/etc. We tend to be overly focused on the violent stra= ins of the radicalism. But even if there weren=E2=80=99t violence, the fact tha= t too many who are for subjugation of women, against gays, against Jews and Christians, et= c =E2=80=93 is a serious problem for our future. Unfortunately, if you soun= ded progressive in the Middle East/Pakistan, you'd be putting yourself = at security risk.</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Areas of concern:</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Saying no to 100k tro= ops on the ground, leaving the door open to McCain/Graham=E2=80=99s 10k desire</p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I personally would be= a little harsher on saudi, uae, jordan, etc for leaving the fight in syria= , but I understand that's thorny</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p></di= v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 19,= 2015 at 2:29 PM, John Podesta <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:john= .podesta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">john.podesta@gmail.com</a>></span>= wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div><br></div> --001a11419caafa77810524ea35ea--