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Rowley-No more discussions - WICB TO BE DISSOLVED!

VIX

http://www.103fm.net/caricom-heads-insist-wicb-be-dissolved/

CARICOM will now discontinue any further discussions on the matter with West Indies Cricket Board and the decision of the heads is that we insist that the recommendations of the committee be implemented Is that the West Indies Cricket Board be dissolved and that an interim body be put in place to begin the restructuring of the management of West Indies Cricket. This is a position which is resolutely opposed by West Indies Cricket Board and in seeking to impose upon us that nothing is wrong with the management of West Indies Cricket.

Dr Rowley adds that Caricom will also inform the ICC about the position of the Heads of Government.

Against the background that West Indies Cricket Board has taken the position that they are in fact a body corporate outside of the region By the interest of the heads of government of the region the heads of government determined on Thursday that we will go over the head of the West Indies Cricket Board and we would inform the ICC and the BCCI of the position of the heads of government and let them be put on notice of the position of the heads of government of the region. In short the heads of CARICOM will have decided that the time has come in trying to save West Indies Cricket. 

The PM says Caricom is also ready to take legal counsel, following the response of the WICB

nick2020

In reply to VIX



Big talk this is.

Big rock follow?

VIX

Audio in sauce

sudden

That's how you do it. Make WICB irrelevant...if you can

Narper

In reply to VIX



Hmmmmmm...we recently heard how WIPA, FICA and ICC got together to screw over the players



I won't be surprised if ICC bawl out political interference.



But...Caricom heads looks like they finally getting serious indeed...

Curtis

In reply to Narper



how can they dissolve a corporation?

Slipfeeler

[b]In reply to VIX[/



"In short the heads of CARICOM will have decided that the time has come in trying to save West Indies Cricket. 



If WI cricket is not saved by drastic measures within this year, then we are looking at the end of an era in the history of WI cricket.

sudden

In reply to Curtis



make it irrelevant. put it out of business, so to speak

Narper

In reply to Curtis



how can they dissolve a corporation?

I don't have a clue.



But them can 'steal' the corporation cricket business from them I don't have a clue.But them can 'steal' the corporation cricket business from them

Narper

In reply to sudden



Yep...I didn't see your post before I posted mine.

Slipfeeler

In reply to Curtis



No intention to dissolve the corporation, just taking away the business as under the mandates of both free market enterprises and monopolistic competition.

nick2020

In reply to Narper



Local cricket grounds pay good money to host international cricket. If those grounds are owned by the government that is one way to take away the business.



No one will own West Indies cricket without the ICC's blessing. Will bless a coup?

sudden

In reply to nick2020



not a coup. was never articulated that way. it is merely a restructuring. that is the language i would use were i advising a particular party

matchstick

In reply to VIX



none of the quotes you posted is in the article you linked...





Slipfeeler

In reply to sudden



Has there been any precedence regarding application to ICC in terms of restructuring of a Cricket Board when said Board is resistant to such changes? In our region, there was a similar situation in Guyana and the ICC intervened. Could anyone inform us on how the matter was resolved?

POINT

In reply to Narper



The fact is that currently , the World is a Global Village , due to mass communication of various types .



That being the case , the ICC cannot claim to be ignorant of the Maladministration of the WICBC ; and the Bad Publicity that it brings not

only on itself but also on the ICC .



The fact is that there were 5 Members on the Committee appointed jointly by

CARICOM & the WICBC . The WICBC appointed 3 Members & CARICOM appointed 2 Members to the Committee .



It is obvious therefore , that the

2 Members appointed by CARICOM were able to persuade at least 1 Member

appointed by the WICBC to agree that

the WICBC must be dissolved.

problemjay

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Allyuh here is the full scoop. Read full article here



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Is that the West Indies Cricket Board be dissolved and that an interim body be put in place to begin the restructuring of the management of West Indies Cricket. This is a position which is resolutely opposed by West Indies Cricket Board and in seeking to impose upon us that nothing is wrong with the management of West Indies Cricket.



Dr Rowley adds that Caricom will also inform the ICC about the position of the Heads of Government.



Against the background that West Indies Cricket Board has taken the position that they are in fact a body corporate outside of the region By the interest of the heads of government of the region the heads of government determined on Thursday that we will go over the head of the West Indies Cricket Board and we would inform the ICC and the BCCI of the position of the heads of government and let them be put on notice of the position of the heads of government of the region. In short the heads of CARICOM will have decided that the time has come in trying to save West Indies Cricket. 



The PM says Caricom is also ready to take legal counsel, following the response of the WICB.



He adds that Caricom will again discuss responses of the WICB, at their meeting in July.



- See more at: CARICOM will now discontinue any further discussions on the matter with West Indies Cricket Board and the decision of the heads is that we insist that the recommendations of the committee be implementedIs that the West Indies Cricket Board be dissolved and that an interim body be put in place to begin the restructuring of the management of West Indies Cricket. This is a position which is resolutely opposed by West Indies Cricket Board and in seeking to impose upon us that nothing is wrong with the management of West Indies Cricket.Dr Rowley adds that Caricom will also inform the ICC about the position of the Heads of Government.Against the background that West Indies Cricket Board has taken the position that they are in fact a body corporate outside of the region By the interest of the heads of government of the region the heads of government determined on Thursday that we will go over the head of the West Indies Cricket Board and we would inform the ICC and the BCCI of the position of the heads of government and let them be put on notice of the position of the heads of government of the region. In short the heads of CARICOM will have decided that the time has come in trying to save West Indies Cricket. The PM says Caricom is also ready to take legal counsel, following the response of the WICB.He adds that Caricom will again discuss responses of the WICB, at their meeting in July.- See more at: http://wicricnews.com/blog/caricom-insist-wicb-be-dissolved#sthash.Y4GPKcsQ.dpuf

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VIX

In reply to matchstick

Find your own link!



Slipfeeler

In reply to POINT



Right on Point which is not an impossibility especially when at stake is the future of WI cricket and our cricket legacy and history.

sudden

In reply to Slipfeeler



dont know but i am aware of the Pakistanis dissolving their boards every so often

Runs

In reply to VIX



Excellent

POINT

In reply to Slipfeeler



It is my recollection , subject to

correction , that the matter between the Government & the Guyanese Cricket Board went to Court , neither the ICC

or the WICBC ; as far as I am aware ,

appeared in Court on behalf of the

Guyana Cricket Board .



I can tell You , and you can check it this out , by Googling the Formation

of the Pakistani Cricket Board . On

4 separate occasions , the President of Pakistan , fired the PCB ; Appointed a Chairman & an AD HOC

Committee to govern Cricket in Pakistan .



There was no mention of the ICC intervening in any of these 4 separate occasions . What I gleaned is that Governments are empowered

to run Cricket for mismanagement etc

until there are Fresh Elections for

Officers on the Cricket Board .



The fact that the WICBC has commissioned several Reports regarding its Structure , and has dismissed the salient features of all

those Reports , does not bode well for the WICBC .



About 2 years ago , the Regional Governments asked the WICBC to implement the changes advocated by the Patterson Report , the WICBC

ignored that request , and immediately commissioned yet another

Report , this one was called the Wilkin Report , which the WICBC swiftly rejected after receiving the

Report .

VIX

Narper

In reply to sudden



dont know but i am aware of the Pakistanis dissolving their boards every so often



Lanka too Lanka too

billydred

In reply to VIX



Growley sound like a Republican. What will you replace it with Mr Growley? We don't know yet but we are going to replace it(WICB).

Can't run your own govament but now yuh a go run govament and cricket. Good luck.

Chrissy

All you need to remember is that FIFA thought it was autonomous as well.



This is right up my street. Let me get some peanuts and watch dis one develop.



Of course my only recommendation to the CARICOM government is to tax them like every other business.

POINT

In reply to Chrissy



Please enlighten me , by explaining

the corelationship between Taxing the

WICBC & and the WICBC exercising Good Governance .



Because my thinking is that Taxing the WICBC could be used as an excuse for the WICBC not doing what needs to be done , regarding Cricket in the Region .

Commie

Governments who are struggling to govern and in many cases who are mismanaging their economies have no high ground to reform WI Cricket.



They don't fund it so they can't defund it.



This may prove to be a useful distraction to political problems in respective jurisdictions but this is like frying pan to fire.

FuzzyWuzzy

In reply to Chrissy



...and tax the players earnings too?

rubberd

In reply to Commie



Caricom governments own the infrastructure and is WIBC should have seen the governments as partners. Caricom can do to WIBC what US justice department did to FIFA so all who have transactions hiding in US banks will be revealed by FATCA.

cherri

In reply to Chrissy



The WICB(C) was always a rouge board.....I remember when the WICBC was based in Barbados, the Government of the day gave them facilities, the WIPA was given an office which was located in the Garfield Sobers Gymnasium and its staff was paid by the Government (something like a statutory board), then the Gov't told the WICBC that it will be required to pay taxes.....the board up and left and took residence in Antigua who granted them tax free status....WIPA subsequently left and relocated to TnT.......this latest development will be interesting to say the least........I doan want no peanuts, I want some Cheetos and I gine watch the proceedings.

WestDem

In reply to cherri



I doan want no peanuts, I want some Cheetos and I gine watch the proceedings.

Commie

In reply to rubberd



Own what structure ?



Does the NBA own stadiums ?



Does the CPL ?



The IPL ?



The one thing the governments run outside their countries are the airlines. Liat, CA et al. You seen how their books look ?

Chrissy

In reply to POINT



You want good governance - start wid meking dem pay their dues and stop being mendicants.



Now that the product is not even competitive, maybe we'll find some unity among governments because all di incompetents have done since the late 80s/90s is play off territories against each other to get matches. Few give a damn about their matches these days so maybe CARICOM finally has the blade.



I'm enjoying those who don't understand this business of infrastructure. It's about schools and communities long before the big stadium.

Like I said I'm stocking up on peanuts.

sudden

In reply to Commie



this is a good time to reset the dial. dangerous, deceitful, devious dave must go. i get the sense that the govts have had enough. they have a plan from the review committee which the said same WICB said it would follow. now thru its counsel it is seeking to run some kind of ultra vires case suggesting that the review committee acted outside the scope of its mandate. what bonk!

Baje

In reply to billydred

My sentiments exactly. This seems more about a few star players getting feelings hurt than any semblance of a plan for Windies cricket?

They going to real Davecare for the 90 first class players to enrichen the 15 stars? or do they have a plan to actually fund the PCL?

POINT

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people in this Forum , who are diehard supporters of those who for years have Bamboozled the Public in the Region , by commissioning several Reports , and swiftly dismissed those Reports .



WE need to know what was the purpose of commissioning all these Reports , and then ignoring them . This aint a figment of my imagination .



What the Supporters of the Worst International Cricket Board in the

Commonwealth , aka the WICBC fail to

consider is the fact that the WICBC is governed by a Structure that is 89 years old .



They also fail to understand the fact that the Regional Governments have to face the Electorate every 5 years .

That aint the case with the WICBC .

In essence , the number of people who vote for those in an Official capacity of the WICBC , is miniscule

in comparison to the People who vote

for the Governments of Countries in the Region .



In essence Governments of the Region are answerable to the people in the Region . Who the Hell is the WICBC

answerable to ???



When people get fed up with the performances of Governments , they kick them out of Office . Sadly that aint the case with the WICBC .



The Apologists for the WICBC , blithely ignore the fact that the WICBC aint own any Stadia or Grounds in the Region . Many of them are owned by Governments , my take therefore , is that the WICBC cannot exists without the use of Public owned Facilities .



To host matches involves the use of

Governments Airports , Policemen ;

Firemen etc . These are not owned by the WICBC . So to quote the Australian Cricket Official " the WICBC needs to take on board what

the Report submitted by the Committee"; that comprised of Members

appointed by both the WICBC & CARICOM stated .

powen001

In reply to VIX



Damn...Freundel actually making sense

matchstick

In reply to VIX



Find your own link!



lol ok boss. lol ok boss.

powen001

In reply to POINT



Point..I agree with your posit re Chrissys stance on the taxation.



Taxation most likely is one way BUT it cannot be seen as an up front policy.



Once they pay taxes I agree that they will claim that they are tax payors and therefore free to do as they please.



Dismantle the nonsense once and for all,



set the interim committee with stated time frames to deliver



then the corporate structure can include the taxation, be it nominal or standard for such institutions.



Its the HOW things would be implemented that would mean most to me...oversight has to be the watch word and with stated deliverables and timelines.



otherwise..the Emperor of Episode 1 Starwars might very well emerge and refuse to release power back to the new Entity.

Slipfeeler

In reply to POINT



So there has been precedence, the non-compliance of two recommendations and report spanning a number of years should provide proper justification for any extra-ordinary interference and restructuring of the WICB, as the ICC must provide stipulations and procedures in dealing with Board mis-management, poor management of team contracts resulting in Aborting of test series against India resulting in financial losses to sponsors and other investors.

sudden

In reply to powen001



We gine bring you back to the fold

sudden

In reply to powen001



The laws would have to be changed in order for us to tax the players or for that matter persons who work for WICB which falls under the category of regional institution for tax exempt purposes.

carl0002

In reply to Commie

With you on this one. This is just postering. The sad thing is that as dismal as the WICB have been, which I think is more a problem of the region, rather than the WICB as an organization, If you align the WICB record against the various governments and some organizations around the region, WICB put them to shame. How pathetic is that for the region.

Commie

In reply to carl0002



Correct.



A diversion from reality doesn't change the reality that the governments are even more dismal than the WICB.



PNM for example started the Brian Lara Stadium in 2004 to be ready for the 2007 WC. It still eh finish yet and the bill is rising and PNM come back in power to meet it.



The bobol that passed on that stadium dwarfs anything the WICB is associated with YET we are told that the people who cya get that right want to oversee cricket.



GTFO.

sudden

In reply to Commie



yuh swimming against the tide, mate. the writing is on the wall

POINT

In reply to powen001



I am in agreement with what you have stated . I do not want the Regional Governments to present the WICBC with an excuse for them doing nothing to improve Cricket in the Region .



Frankly , in my opinion , the WICBC made a Gamble , but it did not pay off . The people in the WICBC thought that this Committee , like the others it commissioned , they would be able to brush aside , just like roughly 2 years ago they brushed aside the Regional Governments who asked them to implement the changes recommended

by the Patterson Report .



I get the impression that the Regional Governments have not forgotten that episode , and that is why it seems that they are ready to play Hardball .Arrogance is a Hell of

a Thing .

Commie

In reply to sudden



Political events this year will swamp nearly all these leaders.



Cricket will scarcely be an 'item'.



The WICB needs to simply start scheduling games in the US and Bermuda and Cayman. They are growth markets and with Bermuda and Cayman they can actually shift jurisdiction to outside of Caricom as the ICC did when it moved to Dubai.



Then there can be a meeting of minds.

POINT

In reply to Slipfeeler



Yes you have got it Right . Frankly

the Regional Governments should also enquire , whether or not it was aware that the WICBC had commissioned several Reports , regarding its 89 years old Structure , and ignored the salient Features of those Reports .



My take is that the ICC can provide no excuses , for not admonishing & sanctioning the WICBC for its Maladministration of Cricket in the Region .



That being the case , I believe that

both the WICBC & the ICC are in Weak

positions . If it was up to me , I would have both the WICBC & the ICC

in Court , testifying under Oath regarding their Stewardships .

jen

I always remember a long stance of the ICC is that they don't deal with governments. I think this will be a harder task than Caricom can imagine. Can a government disolve a company? I think Cameron and co not budging because they know it would be really hard to disolve them. I aint no legal mind so can't say.

POINT

In reply to carl0002



As I have stated here already , let me

remind you that the Governments have

to face the People every 5 years , and

the number of People who vote for them vastly outnumbers the number of people who Vote for the people in the WICBC .

sudden

In reply to Commie



have a close cousin in Bermudas and he tells me there are about 10 people there interested in cricket, from what i understand the interest would be comparable in Cayman too. US is kinda seasonal unless you are talking about Florida which has a climate similar to the caribbean.



dissolution is the best solution

POINT

In reply to Slipfeeler



There exists an abundance of evidence ,

that support removing the current members in the WICBC . One of the

main issues as I have stated several times and the Apologists for the WICBC

love to ignore is this :



WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF COMMISSIONING



SEVERAL REPORTS & THEN IGNORING THE



SALIENT FEATURES OF THESE REPORTS ??



Allow me to once again state the fact

that the current structure is 89 years old .

Commie

In reply to sudden



Not true.



Most popular sport outside sailing and rugby.



Look the WICB is far from perfect but Caricom is just posturing for cred. The ICC runs the game and we will see what transpires next.

POINT

The fact is that the Regional Governments are only calling for the

dissolution of the Current Board Members , and has stated that Cricket in the Region will be Governed by an

Interim Committee ; Until there are

Fresh Elections for Officers .



In essence the Regional Governments

are not stating that they are going to

personally takeover Cricket in the Region .

Commie

That is against the constitution of the ICC. Elections have a process between member boards. Caricom can put its backing behind the Trinidad candidate for example if they want but they can't jump the current process.



If the ICC withhold funding and bar the WI from ICC events we will see who will emerge.



You can't shut down a country and say I want a new elections because I don't like how the current govt is running.



Well you can. They call that a coup.

Scar

In reply to Commie



Restate that. There was no Coup in St Lucia. The people shut down government and forced new elections. No blood no army no police, simply all and sundry didnt go to work for a week or so.



The Bermuda market is not what you think it is. Coming to the USA well the Tax man cometh for the players for sure.

powen001

In reply to Commie



i hear you Commie but the example for improvement of Governance has to start somewhere...that the WICB is common to us all and its restructuring following on the heels of a dissolution is not just only good political fodder- it resonates with voters and fans alike regardless of party affiliations.



WICB ...that common denominator is a good place to start.

rubberd

In reply to jen



ICC is that they don't deal with governments.



That was FIFA stance too, but it is enabled by specific laws in the country of domicile. If you misbehave those laws are repealed as the Swiss did to allow access to FIFA banking transactions.

black

In reply to Slipfeeler



No intention to dissolve the corporation, just taking away the business as under the mandates of both free market enterprises and monopolistic competition.



The U.S. break-up monopolies all the time but in the case of the WICB, it would be taking the business away. The U.S. break-up monopolies all the time but in the case of the WICB, it would be taking the business away.

black

In reply to Commie



That is against the constitution of the ICC. Elections have a process between member boards. Caricom can put its backing behind the Trinidad candidate for example if they want but they can't jump the current process.



If the ICC withhold funding and bar the WI from ICC events we will see who will emerge.



You can't shut down a country and say I want a new elections because I don't like how the current govt is running.



Well you can. They call that a coup.



You have little faith in the people that, Govern you. Don't you think they would have received counsel on this matter before going public with their intentions? You have little faith in the people that, Govern you. Don't you think they would have received counsel on this matter before going public with their intentions?

Commie

In reply to black



No they wouldn't.



They operate from narrow political agendas and egos.

black

In reply to Commie



No they wouldn't.



They operate from narrow political agendas and egos.



Really? Problemjay, said Rowley was the best thing since sliced bread. Really? Problemjay, said Rowley was the best thing since sliced bread.

Halliwell

In reply to Commie



Commie bhai,

Play that violin, aggressively, whilst the Titanic finally sinks.



God bless the PeeNM.

natty_forever

In reply to Commie Governments who are struggling to govern and in many cases who are mismanaging their economies have no high ground to reform WI Cricket. ... try tell them that. ... try tell them that.

Commie

In reply to Halliwell



You had to throw your hat in the ring eh.



Typical.

Halliwell

In reply to Commie



Same ole story

We will clean it up

And run the benefits across to allyuh



sudden

In reply to Halliwell



you think unnuh could so anything without Bim's backing

Commie

In reply to Halliwell



Clean what up?



Caribbean governments are in a cesspool of corruption and mismanagement and you want to cleanup WI Cricket.



Cue maniacal laughter.



Look I understand the game. If you listen to Freundel he stressed 'some' heads of govt are determined to go through with this.



The ICC will likely laugh these peeps out of any meeting whilst staying PO faced and nodding at every stressed point. Then telling the dictatorial and conflicted BCCI to essentially help set a precedent for the Indian government to do the same



Rowley and Mitchell can get some more regional and intl PR and they might buy some time in between the mess on the ground.



Anyway you all diaspora make good jokes

sudden

In reply to Commie



you will be on the wrong side of history here

Commie

In reply to sudden



You seem to forget who is sec gen.



Its not difficult to find out the real story behind these things.



Btw it's interesting how Portia is very very silent.

sudden

In reply to Commie



no i havent. but i look beyond that. dissolution is the right thing at this stage. i am not even getting into the political angle. man i am privy to a lot of real stories and all of them describing the same incident however different are all true.

Pacy

In reply to jen



I always remember a long stance of the ICC is that they don't deal with governments. I think this will be a harder task than Caricom can imagine.



I do have this doubt but the SL board and Pak board have been consistently interfered by their respective govts. But ICC has done nothing to them I do have this doubt but the SL board and Pak board have been consistently interfered by their respective govts. But ICC has done nothing to them

POINT

I invite ALL to simply Google :



CARICOM and the WICB .



Doing this will answer many of the questions , that some have asked in this Post .

Commie

In reply to sudden



Like much of Caribbean life this is more about the personal affront of Super Dave than some thought through principle.



There is a process to get rid of Dave. That can be engaged and can even be massaged if they want at the next election. However to end up embarassing themselves and compromising cricket because of a dick fencing contest is more proof of the insanity of these guys.



Portia has kept silent as shit despite being most vociferous when Hunte and Hilaire held sway. What will happen when Hilaire is PM of St Lucia



Back on the core point. None of the involved parties have shown any interest in reforming cricket in their individual territories. Without that all you are doing is trying to create regime change and the entire essence of the ICC rejection of political interference is centered around that.



The best result they can get is for the ICC to suspend WI from all cricket.

sudden

In reply to Commie



the bit wrt DD is correct. it is so for me as it is for Rowley and Bim and the silent minority. i dont understand how our boy could still support DD.



Commie

In reply to sudden



I reject any interference because this is simply about switching horses.



There is no commitment to fundamental reform and improvement and the players involved are egomaniacs of the worst kind.



No to Government involvement. They have fucked up everything they could.

sudden

In reply to Commie



well tell our boy to orchestrate an internal coup. this will not go away

Commie

In reply to sudden



His boss want him out of this anyway so man don't have energy for coup.

sudden

In reply to Commie



hahaha

POINT

In my opinion , the following are the

main reasons why the current members of the WICBC must be removed from being in the governance of Cricket in the Region .



1. The WICBC's inability to have harmonious Relationships with its Employees for many years .Exhibit A.

The recent Tour of India that was

cancelled ; the WICBC left its host , the BCCI with a mountain of Debt ; due to the fact that it refused to have a discussion with its Players regarding their Salaries .



2. The WICBC's commissioning several

Reports , and then dismissing the Salient Features of these Reports . What then , was the purpose of commissioning these Reports ???



3. The WICBC's penchant for always being at the Vortex of Bad Publicity.

This harms & Damages the image

; Rich History & Legacy of West Indies Cricket , which was crafted by

Sir Frank Worrell ; Sir Garfield Sobers ; Clive Lloyd & Sir Vivian Richards & others .



5. The WICBC's bluntly refusal to change its 89 years old Structure which has its origins in the early years of the 20th Century .



6. Its inability to have & keep Financial Sponsors . Exhibit B , Some

years ago ALL the Regional Tournaments HAD Sponsors , these

Sponsors stopped being Sponsors , WE

are not privy to why they decided to stop being Sponsors .



This is a serious indictment regarding the WICBC'S Stewardship of Cricket in the Region ; and aint a trifling matter ;because it aptly demonstrates the fact that the WICBC is populated with persons whose business acumen is Poor .

BeatDball

WIC-ed-B should do the honorable thing n step aside....reports were done to restructure, to

make governing cricket in the region more professional, efficient n proficient, but then nothing followed!!! WI have to come to our senses, done.

Kurt

From the time I saw the lead post, I knew commie would be busy, earning his cash.



I wasn't to be disappointed. Eat yuh food, commie.

Commie

In reply to Kurt



You eh tired with your childish conspiracy theories. Go home, enjoy Carnival, go Laventille and disappear.

POINT

One of the Members of the Joint Committee is Sir Dennis Byron , who is

the President of the Caribbean Court

of Justice , aka the CCJ .



I do not think that Justice Sir Dennis Byron , is ignorant of the

Legal implications involved , in the Committee's recommendation that the WICBC be dissolved .



I therefore do not think that Cameron

& Co are out of the Woods yet . But Time will tell .

Ragga007

In reply to Commie

Yes, the NBA own stadiums.

Commie

In reply to Ragga007



No it doesn't.

POINT