Gotham's "What That Little Bird Told Him" saw the Penguin (Robin Lord Taylor) finally able to celebrate one big win against the woman who would have seen him dead - Fish Mooney. IGN was able to sit down with Taylor to talk about his moment of triumph and where things may go from here.

“ Gotham City is a place where, if you're not on your game all the time, there's someone underneath you who's ready to come right up and take your place.

“ I love it when Penguin makes mistakes. I just love it, because it makes him real.

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“ I don't even think he would take Jim [Gordon] out. I don't think he would.

“ Penguin and Riddler meet, coming up.

Of course he feels incredible. It's a huge, successful moment for him. He's definitely enjoying it, but he's also not stupid, as we know. He's always looking 10 steps ahead. So he's not one to count her out. So he'll take a moment to enjoy it, but at the same time, he knows that Gotham City is a place where, if you're not on your game all the time, there's someone underneath you who's ready to come right up and take your place. Also, he knows Fish Mooney better than anyone almost. He knows that she's not just going to lay down and die and let this go.Oh, I think you should definitely expect her to make a play for some power. I think if anyone counted her out, it'd would just be so out of character for what we've established. She's such a strong personality in Gotham City. Also, it's been alluded to in previous episodes, and you can only imagine the kind of stuff she had to do and go through to get to where she was at the beginning of this series. This is chicken scratch; it's nothing. She's been through hard stuff in the past. You can only imagine. What does it take to be a female crime boss? I can't imagine what she's done. So yeah, I think to count her out would be a major disservice.Right, right. I think he has a certain fondness for her -- and it may be hubris on his part -- but I think he feels that no matter what she does, he can control it. He has that much confidence in himself, that he knows he can counter whatever she has to throw at him. That's my theory, but I don't know.Oh, yeah. Definitely.No, exactly. It's one of my favorite moments -- I love it when Penguin makes mistakes. I just love it, because it makes him real. He just has to work 10 times harder. He just has to keep it together and really -- in this episode, you see him lay it out on the line and make a case that he made a mistake, that he was misspeaking, that there is no connection. He's a charismatic person, but he has to turn it up to 11 now, you know?I know! Where can we go from here!?!I think the overall plan is, yeah, to take Fish's territory and then ultimately take Marone's territory... and then Falcone, and then take Gotham. I think that's what his endgame is. I don't think he has it completely played out in his mind, like how that's all going to happen, but I think that's definitely his ambition. His ambitions are so much greater than anyone could ever expect.I don't even think he would take Jim out. I don't think he would. Well, ultimately, if it came down to him or Jim I think he would have to, but it would be a really difficult thing for him, because I do think he really likes Jim. He really wants to be his friend. He's the only person he trusts in Gotham City, and he's never had friends. He's never had anyone. I think the fact that Jim saved his life is such a huge moment for him, because no one besides his mother has ever cared about him that much or ever shown him any mercy at all. I think Penguin really takes that to heart. And yet, at the same time, I think he knows he needs somebody on that side, and he'll do whatever it takes to ingratiate himself to Jim and to make that relationship real, to actually have a friend.[Laughs] Penguin will say whatever it takes to get out of a sticky situation! I think ultimately, he and his mom have this -- whatever they've been through in the past, which I don't really know, all they had was each other, and they had to make some very difficult choices. And he learned about manipulating people through his mom. So I think when he says something like, "I swear on my mother's life," even though he's lying, she would have told him, "Absolutely swear on my life. Do whatever it takes to get out of that situation. Use me to help you get to where you need to be." She would be the first one to do that.Yeah. Edward Nygma. Cory Michael Smith, all the way. I'm such a huge fan of Cory's, and I can tease that we do have a moment. Penguin and Riddler meet, coming up, which is one of my favorite things that we've shot in the entire series. It's just one scene, but the dynamic between the two of them, they're such oddballs and they're so different from each other in the way that they're odd, you know?I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna say. But it's such a fascinating dynamic. I just cannot wait to see where that goes. Not just that, but also having a scene with another classic Batman villain -- which hasn't really happened yet. I mean, I think Fish Mooney is now a classic villain, but not until this series -- but not ones from the comics. It's such an amazing moment. I'm really excited for it.

Robin Lord Taylor will also be coming into IGN for an additional interview in the morning. So if you have questions after tonight's episode, send them over to me on Twitter @RothCornet and I'll try and ask!