We are joined by Scott Michels, a producer at Retro Report, a nonprofit organization that tells the stories behind the news. He dug into the history of sanctuary cities. The story starts in 1985 with a group of refugees in search of safety.

Background reading (and viewing):

• The Retro Report video on sanctuary cities, and Clyde Haberman’s accompanying article.

• An short graphic explainer on sanctuary cities.

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