The winterfox players case

I will talk about the ex-Winterfox case and show it as a good example on why players need to be protected on a org-tournament spot relationship.

We have a case where an organisation picked up a team and 1 year later dropped them out.



We are not going into inside factors such as "Winterfox line-up didn`t achieve good results", or "Winterfox organisation was bad to work with" because those things only matter to themselves and should not have any influence on owning a spot or not.



What we know is that those players did work their ass off to get there and have a ESL Pro League spot while playing as Mythic.

It is not easy. You guys know that reaching this level is something that take you years to achieve.



Players need to be protected on situation like these. I mean, you join an organisation, they put in money and structure. You, as a player and team, put in effort, human resource, dedication, achievements and spot`s in leagues you prior had.



It`s fair to consider that the organisation could and maybe did help them achieve more things. I mean, if winterfox line up, after getting together with the org, got a spot into ECS for example, them I think its fair to consider that the ORGANISATION it self has credit over it with the line-up. Whole new situation than the ESEA/ESL Pro League spot.



But how can you consider that organisation after signing you now own the spot you had before just because they are paying you a salary? They can just do what ever they want, treat you in any way during this year and if you decide to not play for them anymore you are screwed? what?



I know some tournaments play a role decision case by case on dealing with those situations that are not easy to be dealt with but why is this MAIN FACTOR being ignored?



We are in a transition process where everything is so volatile and different now in the same environment.

There are organisations that have been working for so long that you can consider they definitely have the spot on a tournament, there are teams that are there just because the actual line-up itself had the spot and even more situations. So how can you deal with all of them all in the same way?



We will discuss more about it with the players. We also want to find a measure and a midfield where tournaments, organisations are also respected. That is why there needs to be participation of all parts when taking decisions like this. Only on discussions between all parts we will find a solution where its good for everyone.



There are couple potential solutions available, I think:

Majority of players should have a say on what they want to do, like what happened in the fnatic-godsent situation, where the 3 core (JW, Flusha and KRIMZ) decided to not fight about the 60% rule and leave it like that?



If they want to create a new team and keep a spot that was them in the beginning, so it is. That is way more fair than giving it to a org that used the line-up to achieve it since the beginning.



Maybe the organisation could buy the spot from the players that originally gave it to them if they are willing to?



I don`t see other way it would be good for the players in a case where they are being damaged.



Its happening to Anger, Lex, flowsicK and Xp3 now. It might be me tomorrow. It might be you. Protect what you think it`s fair. Fight for that. Be respectful and try to find solutions where everyone is involved in the process.



Hope to discuss more about this with the players union tomorrow.



Lets talk.







FACTS



(On 21th September 2015), Winterfox signed team Mythic, which had the following players:

(http://www.hltv.org/news/15999-winterfox-signs-mythic-team)

Jacob "pyth" Mourujärvi

Alexander "LeX" Deily

Jonatan "Devilwalk" Lundberg

Todd "anger" Williams

David "Xp3" Garrido



(23 October - 1 month later) - Later on, pyth left the team

(http://www.hltv.org/news/16211-pyth-parts-ways-with-winterfox)



(On 29 November - 2 months later ) - Devilwalk left the team as well.

(https://twitter.com/DevilwalkCSGOD/status/671115176029106177)



On 16 October, right before pyth left officially winterfox, flowsicK was already joining the team.

(https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3p0c93/flowsick_to_winterfox/)

Later they had Desi over Devilwalk and hades over desi.



You can and should consider that the line-up core for WinterFox was ANGER, Xp3, LeX and Flowsick (as he was not participating in only 1 month during this process).

















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