

Zenit

The system is the solution

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join:2012-05-07

Purcellville, VA Zenit Premium Member About Time Frontier in the PNW was getting its butt kicked by Comcast due to the weak lopsided tiers - the competitive advantage of fiber over DOCSIS is the ability to offer huge upload speeds, and now that they are doing that I suppose the screams of agony from the remaining Verizon GTE customers being sold can quiet down.



Its about time they leveraged the competitive advantage of the fiber footprint they have.

MDrules

join:2014-02-24

Fort Wayne, IN MDrules Member Fort Wayne This also includes Fort Wayne IN.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 Karl Bode News Guy Re: Fort Wayne I had forgotten about them, thanks. Any recollection how many users in Indiana that was?

Bob61571

join:2008-08-08

Washington, IL 1 edit Bob61571 Member Re: Fort Wayne Cannot find the old 2010 FiOS subscriber stats from the VZ acquisition. But, all should remember the problems that Frontier had the first year after VZ acquisition. FTR appeared to be suggesting that FiOS users ditch FiOS video for satellite instead. They ended up losing 10K + FiOS subscribers. Comcast even ran ads and commercials telling people that FTR was giving up on FiOS video.



Found old 2010 story that VZ was selling total of 69K FiOS subscribers to FTR then.



Also, don't forget the Myrtle Beach, South Carolina area(part of the earlier 2010 Verizon territory buyout) that only has Frontier FiOS Internet available. No video/no phone.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA Motorola MG7550

TIGERON Member in an email from Maggie Wilderotter I emailed outgoing CEO Maggie Wilderotter last night asking her about AT&T & Verizon exiting the fixed wireline business and about g.fast DSL technology and here is her response from earlier today :



"we are not planning on purchasing the ATT wireline/DSL business in California at this time. We have a pending acquisition with Verizon to purchase all of their California assets. I appreciate your feedback on our company and we will look into the technology you mentioned. Sincerely, Maggie"



Maggie Wilderotter

Chairman and CEO

Frontier Communications

3 High Ridge Park

Stamford, CT 06905



Apparently even she most likely is not fully aware of g.fast.

elefante72

join:2010-12-03

East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter Do you think that any major telco is going to deploy G.fast?



Not to be snarky, but I don't see a pouring of capital into something that will require more DSLAMs, new equipment and multiple tidy copper pairs, esp w/ a lot of these guys snaking out of mandatory POTS. Maybe AT&T, but I don't know. Frontier has lots of debt to burn off. Centurylink, Hmm. Verizon, not a chance.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA TIGERON Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter Don't underestimate Wilderotter or the new CEO coming in McCarthy. They are smart people. They would be foolish not to look into this.

ohreally

join:2014-11-21 ohreally to elefante72

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Not American, but BT (UK) is seriously considering it.



If they actually do it, I'll know they're utterly insane. It makes no sense except maybe for fibre-to-the-building type deployments (but then maybe you could just use plain Ethernet). If you're going to run fibre to the pole 10 metres from my house, you might as well keep going rather than deal with putting expensive, sensitive electronics everywhere that use an unproven technology and still have a distance-speed relationship

BlueC

join:2009-11-26

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Keep in mind there is both G.fast and G.hn, they're similar but not the same.



It will be interesting to see what gets most widely adopted. I've personally tested G.hn over coax (RG6) at a distance of 150ft-200ft. It can achieve around 700-800mbps FD.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA Motorola MG7550

TIGERON Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter I've looked up information on G.hn and from what I understand one advantage that it has over G.fast is that it can work with copper, coaxial and even wireless with even less configuration than what G.fast requires. I'll have to look into it a lot more.



OpTiC

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join:2014-03-08

West Covina, CA OpTiC to TIGERON

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said by TIGERON: I emailed outgoing CEO Maggie Wilderotter last night asking her about AT&T & Verizon exiting the fixed wireline business and about g.fast DSL technology and here is her response from earlier today :



"we are not planning on purchasing the ATT wireline/DSL business in California at this time. We have a pending acquisition with Verizon to purchase all of their California assets. I appreciate your feedback on our company and we will look into the technology you mentioned. Sincerely, Maggie"



Maggie Wilderotter

Chairman and CEO

Frontier Communications

3 High Ridge Park

Stamford, CT 06905



Apparently even she most likely is not fully aware of g.fast. Let Century Link do it. Froniter can barely handle the load in Connecticut. Once Frontier gets 300/300 I am going Frontier.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA Motorola MG7550

TIGERON Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter However you feel about Frontier the reality is that copper networks exist, are everywhere, are quite valuable and have proven to be quite redundant and reliable. We CANNOT outright abandon them. If implementing newer technologies to take advantage or make the copper wire lines more efficient I am all for G.fast or G.hn or BOTH.



Keep in mind that even though Frontier is in debt (also Fairpoint and Windstream) they have the backing of the U.S. government. Otherwise many of these recent deals and acquisitions from the giant telecoms AT&T and Verizon would not have been approved to begin with.



Service may not be great in all areas right now, but they working to improve it.



OpTiC

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join:2014-03-08

West Covina, CA OpTiC Premium Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter said by TIGERON: However you feel about Frontier the reality is that copper networks exist, are everywhere, are quite valuable and have proven to be quite redundant and reliable. We CANNOT outright abandon them. If implementing newer technologies to take advantage or make the copper wire lines more efficient I am all for G.fast or G.hn or BOTH.



Keep in mind that even though Frontier is in debt (also Fairpoint and Windstream) they have the backing of the U.S. government. Otherwise many of these recent deals and acquisitions from the giant telecoms AT&T and Verizon would not have been approved to begin with.



Service may not be great in all areas right now, but they working to improve it. Trust me they can't keep up in terms of speed in WV. To be fair they purchase a piece of junk from Verizon.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA Motorola MG7550

TIGERON Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter Exactly.



I've heard horror stories from guys that were employees of both Verizon and AT&T. One guy told me that one CO he was working in Verizon had old outdated no-working equipment from the 1950s that they refused to get rid of simply because it cost too much money. The junk was next to the newer hardware that the DSL was currently running on. Another guy told me that AT&T has let the copper lines just rot and refused to replace them.



Frontier is well aware they were screwed in WV. But again they are trying to improve service. I don't blame them.



I hate Verizon and AT&T. Both are greedy companies. Both have made healthy profits just last year alone.



They don't get it that wireless is not reliable and not feasible compared to fixed wireline.

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Say what you will but Frontier will have the last laugh.



OpTiC

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join:2014-03-08

West Covina, CA OpTiC Premium Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter said by TIGERON: Say what you will but Frontier will have the last laugh. My area is going from Verizon to Frontier. If you give AT&T CA to Frontier they will ruin gigabit service in SF,SD,SJ, and LA. Please do your research. If AT&T sells CA to Cl they will for sure deploy atleast 20/5 dsl maybe 40/20.



TIGERON

join:2008-03-11

Boston, MA Motorola MG7550

TIGERON Member Re: in an email from Maggie Wilderotter Last I checked CenturyLink has no plans to enter California. Also, the area I live in there is NO gigabit service. I get either AT&T capped DSL at 6megs or Comcast cable which is expensive, throttled, and unreliable. And I'm 7.4 miles from downtown San Francisco. Even Sonic.net CEO Dane Jasper will not invest in the area I live in. Frontier or CenturyLink can't be much worse.

packergeek

join:2014-09-10 packergeek Member Still getting 30/5 Is there a timeline for this to actually happen?

lawpdx

join:2014-04-16

Portland, OR lawpdx Member Re: Still getting 30/5 I have 15/5.



darcilicious

Cyber Librarian

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join:2001-01-02

Forest Grove, OR ·Frontier FiOS

darcilicious Premium Member Re: Still getting 30/5 said by lawpdx: I have 15/5. into a !! Make that phone call and turn thatinto a!!



user123432

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I upgraded today...



OpTiC

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join:2014-03-08

West Covina, CA OpTiC to packergeek

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said by packergeek: Is there a timeline for this to actually happen? You need to call in to upgrade like Verizon.

atigerman

join:2002-01-19

Tigerton, WI atigerman Member two tin cans and a string I'd just be happy for the upgrade of my remotes backhaul from congested T1's to Gig-E!



Modus

I hate smartassery on forums

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join:2005-05-02

us 1 recommendation Modus Premium Member Why If they neither the money or willpower to expand this acquired fiber to the home footprint any further then why is vz selling it? and why is frontier buying?

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24

Brooklyn, NY 1 recommendation tmc8080 Member 10 BILLION dollars wait, they do apparently have more money lying around as they are bound to acquire Texas, Flordia and California assets.. but to actually DO THE RIGHT thing.. nope.. dead broke... you just can't win with an industry full of greedy scum



if the public can't figure out it's a scheme by now, then they just don't have any common sense! corrupt municipalities are getting what they deserve if they let these deals screw the public over for yet another year!



pjsutton

join:2013-06-25

Kempton, PA pjsutton Member Wow! This is really interesting news for all those involved.



I have to wonder how Frontier is affording this, since they don't have their own backbone. Unless perhaps they are working towards their own backbone and no one knows it?



clara80

join:2012-02-15

Rochester, NY clara80 Member Re: Wow! I can assure you Frontier has their own backbone and actually a very competent group of engineers running it. I should know as I worked with them extensively when my company turned up several metro-e connections and a L3VPN service. We demanded very detailed diagrams of their network and I came away impressed, which doesn't happen often.

BiggA

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join:2005-11-23

Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Desperate like Verizon They can't keep up with downstream speeds because of the limits of MoCA and installing Ethernet is every house is too expensive, so they do their stupid "half-fast" thing. It's sad because their infrastructure can deliver symmetrical gig.



Virtually all consumers would be better served by something like TWC's 300/20 package than a symmetrical 75 or 150mbps.

wasvznowftr

join:2010-07-13

00000 wasvznowftr Member Re: Desperate like Verizon MoCA is still being supported, but no longer installed. It's been replaced with HPNA.



All FiOS installs for the first few years were Ethernet over cat5 wiring. It can be done again.

BiggA

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Central CT ·Cox HSI

ARRIS SB6141

Asus RT-AC68

BiggA Premium Member Re: Desperate like Verizon No it hasn't. MoCA is as strong as ever. They may move to MoCA 2.0 or install over Ethernet. HPNA doesn't work with a QAM system like Verizon uses. AT&T uses HPNA for U-Verse, but it's worse off bandwidth wise compared to MoCA.



I am well aware it can be done, but it's expensive to roll a truck for every idiot who can't handle installing a CAT-5 cable.

wasvznowftr

join:2010-07-13

00000 wasvznowftr Member Re: Desperate like Verizon said by BiggA: I am well aware it can be done, but it's expensive to roll a truck for every idiot who can't handle installing a CAT-5 cable.



Not everyone just runs wires down the hall in their mom's basement.



I meant that MoCA is no longer being utilized by Frontier on the WAN side from the ONT to the router. All new installs utilize HPNA over coax. Period.



And HPNA is absolutely compatible with "QAM systems". Frontier - like Verizon uses QAM for the RF video broadcast.

So yes, QAM modulated RF for the digital video, HPNA data for the WAN side of the home network, and MoCA on the LAN side for set top boxes - all over the same coaxial cable. Don't quite know where to start here. First off, calling someone an idiot because they don't install their own wire is ridiculous - whether they have the skill or not is ridiculous.Not everyone just runs wires down the hall in their mom's basement.I meant that MoCA is no longer being utilized by Frontier on the WAN side from the ONT to the router. All new installs utilize HPNA over coax. Period.And HPNA is absolutely compatible with "QAM systems". Frontier - like Verizon uses QAM for the RF video broadcast.So yes, QAM modulated RF for the digital video, HPNA data for the WAN side of the home network, and MoCA on the LAN side for set top boxes - all over the same coaxial cable.