All the folks with standard ANSI full-size boards will scream over having to pay for (potentially) dozens of keycaps they will never use.



That's why I think a TKL Base + Numpad + ISO/Int + Alternates is the way to go, as a general rule. Put all the novelty keys in the base kit so nobody misses out on them, but offload the expense of marginal kits like ISO and Alternate where they belong: separate from TKL Base and Numpad. You still won't make ErgoDox users happy unless you supply lots of blanks or a dedicated kit just for them, but with four kits you'll hit 90% or more of the customer base (depending on how comprehensive you make ISO/Int and Alternates). You just can't do that with only two kits unless one of them balloons to a size nobody will be happy with.



Interesting insights and food for thought, zslane, as always.Haha. Well, this will be my fourth keycap group buy and my sixth GeekHack group buy in general, and I've learned that people screaming isn't really information (it's merely a sign that one is on the Internet). My general philosophy is to take as much input as possible from my fellow community members but ultimately to try to make something that I would want myself (or that makes sense to me) in hopes that others who share that perspective will want to join up. It's almost impossible until you offer something up for sale and let people vote with their wallets to see where the majority really restsand whether it is a silent majority (as it often is). The question ultimately is not whether people will consider it sub-optimal to have to buy some "extra keys" but whether it will entirely preclude their participation. I put the term there in quotes because I still also think this notion of "having to pay for keys you don't use" (and that the alternative is a significant cost savings) proceeds from some factually false assumptions based on a misapprehension of how design and manufacturing costs work. However, I would want to provide some hard numbers to demonstrate this more clearly, and in this project we aren't that far along yet.Just for the sake of intellectual exploration (I'm not trying to make a rhetorical point), I'm curious: has anyone ever done a GH group buy of keysets and only offered a single 100%+ set? Did it totally flop as a result? It's an interesting question, and I wonder if it's an untested hypothesis.I recently bought a set of awesome thick PBT keycaps from MassDrop. It was a one-click purchase and I refreshingly didn't have to think about what a Tsangan kit was and whether I needed it, nor does it keep me up at night knowing that I have an ISO enter sitting unused somewhere in a box in my closetand that I may have paid an extra dollar for it compared to a group buy where I have to spend ten minutes cobbling together the right micro-sets to cover my extremely standard keyboard. That plus the people who needed the extra keys got what they needed. I find this simplicity appealing.There are two issues here. One is providing more keys such that we support a wide range of options, meaning some people will end up having to get keys that they don't end up using. Up to a point, I personally think this is fine. The other issue is not going too terribly far in supporting very unusual layouts, which I also favor. On that second point, I hasten to add, however: I get that the whole point of our community is to support weird and wacky keyboard pursuits (of which I am extremely in favor, of course), but I kind of feel like a Star Trek keyset has already thrown us well into the weeds, so some measure of restraint is perhaps called for in how far beyond that we venture. Remember that, with any luck, we'll be pulling in folks who are more Star Trek fans than necessarily mech keys diehards, and I don't want to make it too hard for them to figure out what's going on or what they need to buy to just cover a standard keyboard.This sounds like a reasonable strategy in general terms, though I don't relish having to design and test four separate custom boxes. =\OK, so TKL + Numpad + International I get, but what would the alternates include? Again, I'm just a boring TKL guy, so you have to really spell out the details of odd layouts for my unlearned brain.I'd be happy to cover 80% of potential interested people; 90% would be icing. As I recall, when Galaxy Class was originally being designed, I heard endless commentary on the subject of Ergodox compatibility and spent a lot of time designing for that and making mockups. When the drop finally happened, it turned out that like two people bought an Ergodox set.