Quote: bwiese Originally Posted by

on most, esp from out-of-state vendors who may not "have the full picture".



Some of these products may/may not be useful as workarounds in future ... "depending"....



Remember things have just STARTED; there are a variety of issues here.



Firstly, AS OF NOW YOU DO NOT HAVE "AWs" if you have BB maglock'd guns. This status does NOT trigger

until next year. Right now you do not have to do anything.



However:

legislative session not over yet: gut/amend can cause problems THIS YEAR. legislation could be sought next year that could affect AWs being reg'd in 2017. Admin Procedures Act ("APA") compliance is exempted in new AW laws; DOJ BoF could

"go wild" with "glue-on" regulatory provisions exceeding authority of statutory law.

[Remember Miss Alison running wild back in 2006, spewing paper all over the place?]



If they do this, it means we have to go into courts (state, for underground regulation; Fed if it

really escalates into Heller territory) - since Office of Admin Law will be useless here (not that

they've been that helpful anyway, and generally do roll with agency position unless egregious).



So there are multiple matters we might want to keep quiet for awhile - and then move very very quickly

"while the iron's hot".



I think SOME of you can envision what one or two of them are, and are sensible enough to not jump up &

down and crow about them publicly and get reporters hot & bothered - as that will not help us.



I myself am laughing at some of the conflicts - and the huge "Heller briar patch trap" one of the other laws

helped walk us right into. ;-)



I'm sure other gun orgs are preparing, certainly CA NRA - great! [CA NRA's new lobbyist, I understand, is

also a lawyer.]



I will remind you that CGF's past rolls-in-the-mud & founding were involved in these very matters and will have

to ramp up further if things get crazy beyond our already significant caseload (Pena, Silvester (and

prospective derivatives), more on Texiera, poss. Richards escalation in cooperation w Peruta etc.



Remember that featureless is still featureless and they haven't (and really can't via Heller) ban the most

useful "California flavoring" on many guns: a detachable magazine semiauto centerfire rifle without cosmetics.



Those with semiauto centerfire rifles having a so-called "flash hider" may want to think about converting to a

documented muzzle brake/compensator or thread protector sooner than later for flexibility of (re)configuration.



[From a practical standpoint FHs don't do 95++% of CA shooters much real-world good - and powder plays large

part in flash reduction).



This allows more flexible combinations and also allows mix'n'match quickly without criminalizing configurations -

and/or risking Nguyen-escalated semi-constructive possession worries about separated parts.



For those with "unique" guns that are NOT ARs or similar, and who do not want to reg as AWs, start investigating

NOW 'featureless' setups using Kydex grip wraps (Solar Tactical does a fine one for ARs/AKs). Remember

that this must really block thumb positioning and be stiff enough to NOT BE PUSHED AWAY.





And dammit, don't start throwing out your mags yet either. Kes has requested in another thread to be wary of "new products" given recent legislation. I heartily concuron most, esp from out-of-state vendors who may not "have the full picture".Some of these products may/may not be useful as workarounds in future ... "depending"....Remember things have just STARTED; there are a variety of issues here.Firstly, AS OF NOW YOU DO NOT HAVE "AWs" if you have BB maglock'd guns. This status does NOT triggeruntil next year.However:So there are multiple matters we might want to keep quiet for awhile - and then move very very quickly"while the iron's hot".I think SOME of you can envision what one or two of them are, and are sensible enough to not jump up &down and crow about them publicly and get reporters hot & bothered - as that will not help us.I myself am laughing at some of the conflicts - and the huge "Heller briar patch trap" one of the other lawshelped walk us right into. ;-)I'm sure other gun orgs are preparing, certainly CA NRA - great! [CA NRA's new lobbyist, I understand, isalso a lawyer.]I will remind you that CGF's past rolls-in-the-mud & founding were involved in these very matters and will haveto ramp up further if things get crazy beyond our already significant caseload ((andprospective derivatives), more on, poss.escalation in cooperation w Peruta etc.Remember thatand they haven't (and really can't via Heller) ban the mostuseful "California flavoring" on many guns: a detachable magazine semiauto centerfire rifle without cosmetics.Those with semiauto centerfire rifles having a so-called "flash hider" may want to think about converting to adocumented muzzle brake/compensator or thread protector sooner than later for flexibility of (re)configuration.[From a practical standpoint FHs don't do 95++% of CA shooters much real-world good - and powder plays largepart in flash reduction).This allows more flexible combinations and also allows mix'n'match quickly without criminalizing configurations -and/or risking-escalated semi-constructive possession worries about separated parts.For those with "unique" guns that are NOT ARs or similar, and who do not want to reg as AWs, start investigating'featureless' setups using Kydex grip wraps (Solar Tactical does a fine one for ARs/AKs). Rememberthat this must really block thumb positioning and be stiff enough to NOT BE PUSHED AWAY.And dammit, don't start throwing out your mags yet either. MacDonald. Since when can the Legislature pass anything that says "if we're shoving it up their pooper on issue X, we don't have to go by the rules"???? Bill - see emphasis above to your OP. This would seem to be one of the most glaring 14A infringements yet and a direct FU to. Since when can the Legislature pass anything that says "if we're shoving it up their pooper on issue X, we don't have to go by the rules"???? __________________

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