207aicila Profile Joined January 2015 1236 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-05 15:35:12 #641 On September 05 2017 23:25 onlystar wrote:

F.s cant be denied just because you feel its overplayed or whatever youre opinion is irrelevant.. F.s serves its purpose as a tie breaker to at least give a little bit of solid ground & balance to the players and No not many maps can do that in the same way CB has other problems on pvz side of things



Good to know there is a God-like objective arbiter of Brood War truth here to educate us with immutable facts.



If only you were around when KeSPA still existed, perhaps you would have been able to teach them as well, because they didn't understand either... Good to know there is a God-like objective arbiter of Brood War truth here to educate us with immutable facts.If only you were around when KeSPA still existed, perhaps you would have been able to teach them as well, because they didn't understand either... mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''

onlystar Profile Joined March 2015 United States 943 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-05 15:58:55 #642 lets make it personal ! good addition

207aicila Profile Joined January 2015 1236 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-05 16:06:14 #643 On September 06 2017 00:57 onlystar wrote:

lets make it personal ! good addition



When a 2015 account says "whatever youre [sic] opinion is irrelevant" to people who have been playing and following this game for over 15 years, most of whom feel that we're sick of FS, that's when it got personal.



If you can't handle the heat don't stand in the kitchen. Better yet, don't make such a shameful display of ignorance as if you know anything about this game or its scene.



This is not StarCraft 2, where every single map needs to be the same and play out the same way with boring easy 3 bases and no fun allowed (because otherwise it would be broken and everyone would cry on b.net forums). This is BW. It's not imperative for every single map to have 50% stats in every matchup. It's also not imperative to keep playing a map from 8 years ago when many other good maps have been made since, and many of those tested in KeSPA tournaments as well.



I am done arguing with ignorant new users. I hope K.H.J will steer the thread back in a good direction with some useful info. When a 2015 account says "whatever youre [sic] opinion is irrelevant" to people who have been playing and following this game for over 15 years, most of whom feel that we're sick of FS, that's when it got personal.If you can't handle the heat don't stand in the kitchen. Better yet, don't make such a shameful display of ignorance as if you know anything about this game or its scene.This is not StarCraft 2, where every single map needs to be the same and play out the same way with boring easy 3 bases and no fun allowed (because otherwise it would be broken and everyone would cry on b.net forums). This is BW. It's not imperative for every single map to have 50% stats in every matchup. It's also not imperative to keep playing a map from 8 years ago when many other good maps have been made since, and many of those tested in KeSPA tournaments as well.I am done arguing with ignorant new users. I hope K.H.J will steer the thread back in a good direction with some useful info. mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''

onlystar Profile Joined March 2015 United States 943 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-05 16:53:15 #644 never played sc2 never will (really funny how u didn read my name or dont get the reference towards bisu hehe: only star !! )



you're mixing up a couple of things its not if you're feeling tired or bored wit a certain map

it is whatever that map can offer in terms of balance to a tournament that's why they are so important (how is that personal attack lol) its not a coincidence they put f.s as a tiebreaker



but i guess that point goes over your head im not arguing with you either bw since 98 btwnever played sc2 never will (really funny how u didn read my name or dont get the reference towards bisu hehe:you're mixing up a couple of things its not if you're feeling tired or bored wit a certain mapit is whatever that map can offer in terms of balance to a tournament that's why they are so important (how is that personal attack lol) its not a coincidence they put f.s as a tiebreakerbut i guess that point goes over your head im not arguing with you either

Ethelis Profile Blog Joined September 2008 United States 1751 Posts #645 On September 05 2017 15:13 Aylear wrote:

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ASL season 4 pools are out! Bloody hell, some of these groups... ^ The above image isn't loading properly (probably because of the server denying direct links) so I reuploaded it here:ASL season 4 pools are out! Bloody hell, some of these groups...



FBH...fuuuuuuuuuuuuu FBH...fuuuuuuuuuuuuu Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.

arb Profile Blog Joined April 2008 Noobville 14609 Posts #646 On September 05 2017 23:40 onlystar wrote:

Show nested quote +

On September 05 2017 23:22 BigFan wrote:

They should really have put CB in there as well. The map is well balanced and is/was being played a lot on streams. It also feels newer than FS which has been around forever and which isn't as balanced as it was once believed.





They Will put cb in forsure dont worry



"Which isnt as balanced as once believed"

F.s is a map that is proven to be balanced yet TLrs have tried the hardest to skew the statistics in in favour of terras in Terran in TvZ pulling stats from a poorly performing and small zerg (overall) pool on afreeca vs a top tier Terran pool dat is always steady in top 5 ranking spon matches in my opinion foreigners are in a tunnelvision they gererly maps that are overplayed are hated by that community and TVZ mech switch is to hard right so we end up by these accusations regularly biased by feelings and opinios unable to make a realistic judgement

They Will put cb in forsure dont worry"Which isnt as balanced as once believed"F.s is a map that is proven to be balanced yet TLrs have tried the hardest to skew the statistics in in favour of terras in Terran in TvZ pulling stats from a poorly performing and small zerg (overall) pool on afreeca vs a top tier Terran pool dat is always steady in top 5 ranking spon matches in my opinion foreigners are in a tunnelvision they gererly maps that are overplayed are hated by that community and TVZ mech switch is to hard right so we end up by these accusations regularly biased by feelings and opinios unable to make a realistic judgement

The map definitely feels Terran favored tbh. Also I recall PvZ stats being fairly balanced too right? Which would lead to map being skewed in favor of protoss. The map definitely feels Terran favored tbh. Also I recall PvZ stats being fairly balanced too right? Which would lead to map being skewed in favor of protoss. Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell

mishimaBeef Profile Blog Joined January 2010 Canada 2256 Posts #647 hype hype hype hype hype Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson

playa Profile Blog Joined December 2010 United States 1284 Posts #648 While I haven't played on fighting spirit as much as most (more of a python fan boy), I don't find it to be a good map for Terran. It might be one of my least favorite maps to play, actually. In T vs Z, a couple lurkers completely lock down an expansion. Don't even need defilers. Every expansion is minerals on top of a ramp. Can't even drop the expansions, since the ramp covers everything, practically.



Anytime I see the 5rax build, I can't help but to think "fighting spirit made me do this." And, versus Toss, that map is near impossible to split in half for mortals. Any map that is hard to split is naturally Toss favored, imo.



Circuit Breaker is not only a far more "splittable map" but good Terrans get 4 bases for free. The only downside is the third is mineral only. I guess the unbuildable terrain for turrets isn't ideal. But when you're able to max then push, not the biggest of deals.

K.H.J Profile Blog Joined January 2017 Korea (South) 769 Posts #649 Starlog.gg



Website which contains Statistics of ladder and other contents

K.H.J Profile Blog Joined January 2017 Korea (South) 769 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-06 02:22:12 #650 ASL tier and point calculation.



Champion 4000

Final 2500

Ro4 1500

Ro8 1000

Ro16 500

Ro24 300



Previous competition = x0.9



So sum of points is,



ASL3 + ASL2 x 0.9 + ASL1 x0.81 + VANT x0.729

K.H.J Profile Blog Joined January 2017 Korea (South) 769 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-06 03:34:10 #651 http://m.sports.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=468&aid=0000299523



This article is most viewed in esports section.



Something interesting is in this article.



1. Blizzard's license fee for 1 competition is 100,000,000 won.

(1$ = 1,000~1,200 usually.)



2. Every competition, host company usually spend 400,000,000won.

(Not including license charge)



3. New WCG which i mentioned before re-consider SCR tournament



This article is most viewed in esports section.Something interesting is in this article.1. Blizzard's license fee for 1 competition is 100,000,000 won.(1$ = 1,000~1,200 usually.)2. Every competition, host company usually spend 400,000,000won.(Not including license charge)3. New WCG which i mentioned before re-consider SCR tournament

sc19980331 Profile Joined March 2017 China 1580 Posts #652 On September 06 2017 09:38 K.H.J wrote:

ASL tier and point calculation.



Champion 4000

Final 2500

Ro4 1500

Ro8 1000

Ro16 500

Ro24 300



Previous competition = x0.9



So aum of points are,



ASL3 + ASL2 x 0.9 + ASL1 x0.81 + VANT x0.729

Tier1: Sea Last Effort Sharp Best Shuttle

Tier2: Larva Ssak Mind Jaedong Mong Hero

Tier3: Light Stork Rush Hiya Rain Snow

Tier4: Sky Miso Lazy Mini Ample FBH



Tier1: Sea Last Effort Sharp Best ShuttleTier2: Larva Ssak Mind Jaedong Mong HeroTier3: Light Stork Rush Hiya Rain SnowTier4: Sky Miso Lazy Mini Ample FBH

Lorch Profile Joined June 2011 Germany 3511 Posts #653 They charge 100k so Afreeca can promote their game? Jesus christ that's ridiculous. I'm shocked that anyone is even interested in running any sc tournament. Kinda ridiculous that they have to spent 25% of their budget on getting a license. If that's the kinda cash blizz is asking for, no wonder kespa/ogn/mbc refused to pay.

blade55555 Profile Blog Joined March 2009 United States 17373 Posts #654 Wow that's insane. Why does blizzard charge so much zzzz. When I think of something else, something will go here

Aylear Profile Blog Joined May 2009 Norway 3953 Posts #655 Because Blizzard isn't interested in this game being an eSport. They're interested in it making them as much money in the short term as it possibly can. They're doing the same thing with Overwatch, where you need to pay a hefty licensing fee. For their big league, teams have to buy spots. As a result some teams just said fuck it and dropped the roster.



It's just what they do.

Lorch Profile Joined June 2011 Germany 3511 Posts #656 But didn't sonic once have to get a license because his prize pool exceeded 5k? Paying 100k so you can award 5k to your players seems really ridiculous. Boy do I miss esports before 2010. Yea devs didn't give a shit and we had to deal with a lot of bullshit, but at least people could reasonably run tournaments. Huge kudos to Afreeca for even running the ASL. No wonder OGN has been so cautious about doing sc again...

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #657 On September 06 2017 09:49 K.H.J wrote:

http://m.sports.naver.com/esports/news/read.nhn?oid=468&aid=0000299523



This article is most viewed in esports section.



Something interesting is in this article.



1. Blizzard's license fee for 1 competition is 100,000,000 won.

(1$ = 1,000~1,200 usually.)



2. Every competition, host company usually spend 400,000,000won.

(Not including license charge)



3. New WCG which i mentioned before re-consider SCR tournament



This article is most viewed in esports section.Something interesting is in this article.1. Blizzard's license fee for 1 competition is 100,000,000 won.(1$ = 1,000~1,200 usually.)2. Every competition, host company usually spend 400,000,000won.(Not including license charge)3. New WCG which i mentioned before re-consider SCR tournament

Asl must really be a sucess at this point :/ but with the numbers i saw from quals i was really optimistic. Asl must really be a sucess at this point :/ but with the numbers i saw from quals i was really optimistic.

Ancestral Profile Blog Joined August 2007 United States 3230 Posts #658 LOL at the people saying Blizzard loses money on ESPORTS by propping tournaments up. The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama

Disregard Profile Blog Joined March 2007 China 10245 Posts Last Edited: 2017-09-06 09:12:48 #659 Wtf 88k for a tournament where the award for first place is 50k? I mean this isn't even Overwatch, what a load of rubbish. "If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."

Silentenigma Profile Joined July 2009 Turkey 1463 Posts #660 Lol ASL does free advertising for blizzard yet they have to pay blizzard?I really hate blizzard, such a greedy company... 日本語が上手ですね

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