

ZonisX

@depaul.edu ZonisX Anon I would say that this would lose a lot of customers except that anyone still using DSL and being a heavy DL'er probably just doesn't have access to cable.

bloodx

join:2002-08-25

North Myrtle Beach, SC bloodx Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ fifty nine Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.

I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps. So I don't think it will "destroy the net." It is still going to suck however.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 2 recommendations Karl Bode News Guy Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers The question I think is: once you allow companies to impose overages on terrestrial bandwidth, can you trust them to ease back on the noose as costs continue to plummet? Or are you opening the door to an increasingly-constricted pipe with pressure from investors making things worse for consumers over time?



spewak

R.I.P Dadkins

Premium Member

join:2001-08-07

Elk Grove, CA ·Consolidated Com..

spewak Premium Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers said by Karl Bode: The question I think is: once you allow companies to impose overages on terrestrial bandwidth, can you trust them to ease back on the noose as costs continue to plummet? Or are you opening the door to an increasingly-constricted pipe with pressure from investors making things worse for consumers over time?

I am in the "making things worse for consumers over time" camp! Greed is good!

WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04

Sugar Land, TX WernerSchutz to Karl Bode

Member to Karl Bode

This tendency should be crushed as soon as it starts. In a collusive market like the US has any tendency that is "good" for these corrupt companies will be extremely damaging for the customers.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers How?

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) to fifty nine

Member to fifty nine

said by fifty nine: I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps.



Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up.



3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm.



3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years.



This is using the ISP own data. YET.Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up.3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm.3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years.This is using the ISP own data.



Nightfall

My Goal Is To Deny Yours

MVM

join:2001-08-03

Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers said by 88615298: said by fifty nine: I don't think the majority of people will go over the caps.



Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up.



3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm.



3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years.



This is using the ISP own data.

YET.Go back and look at what they say 3 years, 2 years, 1 year ago and today. In justifying the caps both the % of people going over the cap and the "average" monthly useage have gone up.3 years ago the average user used 2 GB now it's 18 GB. Ok that's 9 fold increase. So in 3 more year you're looking at average use being 162 GB. Cap is 150 GB hmmmm.3 years ago 1-10,000 went over the cap. Now it's 1-50. 200 fold increase in 3 years.This is using the ISP own data. As long as the caps change with the times, I am ok with it. So far, we have not seen the average user's bandwidth needs increase. Until then, as I said before, a 250gb cap is even good for us power users who do everything under the sun.

PerfectCode

join:2009-06-12

Portland, OR PerfectCode to bloodx

Member to bloodx

said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being developed...

I concur.

utp216

Premium Member

join:2001-12-26

Baltimore, MD utp216 to bloodx

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said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.

Bullshit..

WhatNow

Premium Member

join:2009-05-06

Charlotte, NC WhatNow Premium Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers If I am one of the average users then why should my cost go up because more customers are using 450 meg to connect a camera, they have 3 members of the house streaming video or working from home downloading huge files.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers Betcha those rate hikes will come whether the top end uses a lot of data or not.

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) to WhatNow

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said by WhatNow: If I am one of the average users then why should my cost go up because more customers are using 450 meg to connect a camera, they have 3 members of the house streaming video or working from home downloading huge files.

You're costs are not going up because of them. That's the point. Quit drining the kool-aid.



Nightfall

My Goal Is To Deny Yours

MVM

join:2001-08-03

Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall to utp216

MVM to utp216

said by utp216: said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.



Bullshit..



I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please..... I concur.I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please.....



SLC 96

join:2005-04-03

Chicago, IL SLC 96 Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers It is very possible to use that with an IP camera sending data off-site. The max upstream you can get with AT&T is 3Mbps. Streaming at 1Mbps will run you 330GB. Up the bit-rate a bit and you have 450gigs.



Bill Neilson

Premium Member

join:2009-07-08

Alexandria, VA Bill Neilson to Nightfall

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said by Nightfall: said by utp216: said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.



Bullshit..



I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please.....

I concur.I would give some creedence to people if they wouldn't exaggerate the facts. If you use 450gb of bandwidth on porn and illegal wares, then tell it like it is. On an IP camera? Please.....



How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?



Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?



How gullible are you? So what if he does?How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?How gullible are you?



Aoxxt

join:2010-12-13

Dearborn, MI Aoxxt Member Re: I would say that this would lose a lot of customers said by Bill Neilson: So what if he does?



How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?



Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?



How gullible are you?

Well said.



Nightfall

My Goal Is To Deny Yours

MVM

join:2001-08-03

Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall to Bill Neilson

MVM to Bill Neilson

said by Bill Neilson: So what if he does?



How does him using that much cause AT&T and issue?



Do people actually drink the AT&T juice that they struggle b/c of the 2%?



How gullible are you?





"OMG, I stream Pandora and I use 500gb a month"

"OMG, I stream 1 IP camera and use 450gb a month"



Lets be frank here, you aren't going to use 500gb a month streaming Pandora 24/7 for the entire month. Same goes for the IP camera. Tell it like it is and be truthful. There is enough sympathy to go around. If you have to lie about it to make yourself look good, it just makes those of us (most of us on the forum) who know what the hell is going on to shake our heads. The point is....don't bullshit a bullshitter. I don't care if someone uses their line until smoke comes out of it. I don't like caps as much as the next person. Since these caps have come out, I have heard a lot of bullshit from people here."OMG, I stream Pandora and I use 500gb a month""OMG, I stream 1 IP camera and use 450gb a month"Lets be frank here, you aren't going to use 500gb a month streaming Pandora 24/7 for the entire month. Same goes for the IP camera. Tell it like it is and be truthful. There is enough sympathy to go around. If you have to lie about it to make yourself look good, it just makes those of us (most of us on the forum) who know what the hell is going on to shake our heads.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 to bloodx

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said by bloodx: Caps will destroy the net. I used 450gigs a month just on a IP camera. Caps prevents any new use of the net from being develop, and just wait for the endless inaccurate data usage issues.



Show me the MONEY! Its all about the benjamins baby!Show me the MONEY!

p51d007

Naa-P51d Mustang

join:2002-06-07

Springfield, MO p51d007 to ZonisX

Member to ZonisX

slow speed, now caps? Well, after fighting the "evening slow blues" for the last couple of months, now the caps (even though I don't use that much), I'm about to say screw it and jump to something else. Sadly, that means going to mediacom cable, the only other option, but, geez, where is ALgore! He invented the net, can't he do something LOL.

wilbur6244

join:2001-01-02

Liberal, KS wilbur6244 Member First that sucks... so much for downloading pandora and netflix

ssavoy

Premium Member

join:2007-08-16

Dallas, PA ssavoy Premium Member Re: First How do you figure? We use Netflix every day in our household. Pandora doesn't use all that much. According to my router stats we top out around 60-70GB/month.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 Karl Bode News Guy Re: First Remember AT&T invests in Onlive. Should HD streaming gaming take off, I imagine that combined with cloud services, video, backups and everything else -- we are looking at a future where these caps seem snug. Then the question becomes: does AT&T adjust accordingly? Or do they tighten the noose? My prediction is, given they're investor driven, the latter....

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: First "Investor driven" doesn't mean a whole lot. Name an ISP that isn't investor driven; munis are invested in by the cities that they serve...



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 1 edit Karl Bode News Guy Re: First It means plenty. Especially when you're talking about stunted investment due to myopic, short term interests and on the metered billing front, since investors have been lusting after this new billing approach for years...

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member Re: First I'm not arguing about the preference of myopic short-term investors who want to make a quick buck (who should be investing in CenturyLink, Frontier and Windstream anyway, not T and VZ). I'm arguing that just because a company has investors doesn't mean that they're horrible, horrible people.



Sonic.net is a private company...but I'll bet they had investors somewhere along the way...



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 to iansltx

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said by iansltx: "Investor driven" doesn't mean a whole lot. Name an ISP that isn't investor driven;

Cox communications.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: First They have caps. Also, I could argue that they *are* investor driven, just like Cablevision and now Mediacom; they just have one investor

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) to Karl Bode

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said by Karl Bode: Remember AT&T invests in Onlive. Which makes it stupid to have 150 GB cap.

Gib4500

join:2003-12-08

Sardis, OH Gib4500 Member Re: First yea onlive uses a lot of bandwidth. it will eat into that 150gb very quickly. It makes me wonder why at&t even invested in it if they are introducing bandwidth caps as they will be a major blow to onlive unless onlive reaches some kind of agreement with at&t for the onlive service. I can see it now for an additional 15 dollars a month you can stream onlive games on a at&t connection on top of the dsl connection fee. more and more fees is the way i see it.

88615298 (banned)

join:2004-07-28

West Tenness 88615298 (banned) Member Re: First said by Gib4500: yea onlive uses a lot of bandwidth. it will eat into that 150gb very quickly. It makes me wonder why at&t even invested in it if they are introducing bandwidth caps as they will be a major blow to onlive unless onlive reaches some kind of agreement with at&t for the onlive service. I can see it now for an additional 15 dollars a month you can stream onlive games on a at&t connection on top of the dsl connection fee. more and more fees is the way i see it.

actually that wouldn't be allowed and would open a whole can of worms.



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

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Phoenix, AZ dvd536 to Karl Bode

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said by Karl Bode: Remember AT&T invests in Onlive. Should HD streaming gaming take off, I imagine that combined with cloud services, video, backups and everything else -- we are looking at a future where these caps seem snug. Then the question becomes: does AT&T adjust accordingly? Or do they tighten the noose? My prediction is, given they're investor driven, the latter....

you're right karl. it'll just be like robbers ehrmmm rogers cable. when the caps weren't generating the revenue they thought they would, the caps were lowered!



maartena

Elmo

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Orange, CA maartena to wilbur6244

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said by wilbur6244: that sucks... so much for downloading pandora and netflix





Pandora doesn't use that much data at all (I believe their streams are 128kbps), you can probably stream it for 8 hours a day, and not reach 2 Gb. So if you listen to it every single day for 8 hours, you'll rack up another 60 Gb.



So that is about HALF your allotment of data, and you have used your internet connection for 10 hours each day. Add to that websurfing and email, which I estimate to be about 10 Gb per person in your family if you are HEAVY browsers, use Youtube a lot, and you ALL sit at your computers for at least 3 to 4 hours a day.... so with a family of 5 you have now hit 200 Gb.



The real kickers are these things:



- Torrents, especially seeding them.

- Online backup services like Mozy (although after your initial upload, it just updates the files.... but for home businesses and freelance photographers you might generate a Gb a day easy.

- HEAVY downloading from Usenet and other ehm.... more private sites.



Personally, I think I will be OK. I think I download about 100-150 Gb a month. Also, I think that the price of $10 for 50 Gb is quite fair. It's not going to break the bank when you go over.



What I want to know is though.... I have a watermeter, a gas meter, and an electricity meter installed, which are all certified to be accurate by county officials. Where is my internet meter, and how do I know as a customer that it is accurate? I can call the county and have my watermeter tested if I think it is not accurate. Who will test the AT&T internet meters? I guess it all depends on your viewing habits. Netflix HD is about 2 Gb a movie, so if you have the time to watch 1 movie every single day (which I sure don't), you would be down about 60-70 Gb a month.Pandora doesn't use that much data at all (I believe their streams are 128kbps), you can probably stream it for 8 hours a day, and not reach 2 Gb. So if you listen to it every single day for 8 hours, you'll rack up another 60 Gb.So that is about HALF your allotment of data, and you have used your internet connection for 10 hours each day. Add to that websurfing and email, which I estimate to be about 10 Gb per person in your family if you are HEAVY browsers, use Youtube a lot, and you ALL sit at your computers for at least 3 to 4 hours a day.... so with a family of 5 you have now hit 200 Gb.The real kickers are these things:- Torrents, especially seeding them.- Online backup services like Mozy (although after your initial upload, it just updates the files.... but for home businesses and freelance photographers you might generate a Gb a day easy.- HEAVY downloading from Usenet and other ehm.... more private sites.Personally, I think I will be OK. I think I download about 100-150 Gb a month. Also, I think that the price of $10 for 50 Gb is quite fair. It's not going to break the bank when you go over.What I want to know is though.... I have a watermeter, a gas meter, and an electricity meter installed, which are all certified to be accurate by county officials. Where is my internet meter, and how do I know as a customer that it is accurate? I can call the county and have my watermeter tested if I think it is not accurate. Who will test the AT&T internet meters?

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

San Jose, CA 360.8 10.3

·Comcast XFINITY

chgo_man99 Member Re: First I have Mozy provided by comcast but I rarely use it since they don't offer backup software for my Mac. I just use external hard-rive for backup of most important files. Now the prices for hard-disk drives went really down recently. You can get 1TB for under $200.



Convinceme

@sbcglobal.net Convinceme to maartena

Anon to maartena

said by maartena: What I want to know is though.... I have a watermeter, a gas meter, and an electricity meter installed, which are all certified to be accurate by county officials. Where is my internet meter, and how do I know as a customer that it is accurate? I can call the county and have my watermeter tested if I think it is not accurate. Who will test the AT&T internet meters?





RE: ISPs... Is ANYONE regulating and certifying the way they track our usage? Somehow I have no faith that the industry has our best interests at heart, nor do I believe that our lawmakers have the balls enough to stand up to the ISPs. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. You've hit it on the head, Maartena. I pay graduated rates for the rest of my utilities, no biggie. but their is a certification and regulation process with a transparent way to dispute and appeal conflicts.RE: ISPs... Is ANYONE regulating and certifying the way they track our usage? Somehow I have no faith that the industry has our best interests at heart, nor do I believe that our lawmakers have the balls enough to stand up to the ISPs. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22

Des Plaines, IL 1 recommendation Joe12345678 Member What about Directv VOD DATA? ATT had deals with Directv and What about Directv VOD DATA? ATT had deals with Directv and will they like it being capped?



djdanska

Rudie32

Premium Member

join:2001-04-21

San Diego, CA djdanska Premium Member The one.. The one advantage at&t dsl had over comcast was the lack of caps. Now that thats gone, i see comcast picking up more customers.

dextux8

join:2010-08-20

Findlay, OH 1 recommendation dextux8 Member Cap I know a buddy who got AT&T DSL instead of Comcast in his area due to the 250GB cap that Comcast currently has. Not sure if I should feel bad for him or not.

BoulderHill1

join:2004-07-15

Montgomery, IL BoulderHill1 Member Why a cap? I guess I do not understand the need for a cap. I mean, are we going to run out of internet and need to ration it out?



IS there an internet shortage crisis that we should conserve our use of it so it will not be depleted?



What possible reason could be a valid need to impose a cap?



Chris 313

Because It's Geekier

Premium Member

join:2004-07-18

Houma, LA Chris 313 Premium Member Ploy Could be a ploy to get DSLers to upgrade to U-Verse if the cap only applies to them and not U-Verse services.

OmagicQ

Posting in a thread near you

join:2003-10-23

Bakersfield, CA OmagicQ Member 150GB not bad for the basic tier If this includes the 768k/384k basic tier I'm on then 150gb a month isn't too bad. I doubt if I use 5gb a day even when watching youtube, hulu or other streaming video sites. Is this download only or combined upload/download?

nibs

join:2004-02-12

Ohio nibs Member Heh. Watch Frontier follow suit. I am already very displeased with their handling of the congestion in my area.

BHNtechXpert

The One & Only

Premium Member

join:2006-02-16

Saint Petersburg, FL BHNtechXpert Premium Member 3 times over what? 3 times for the life of the service? They need to disclose 3 times over what period of time. Is this 3 times for the life of the service or 3 times in a year...two years...three years.

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

San Jose, CA 1 recommendation chgo_man99 Member 1 thing I don't understand Why the standard cap is lower than Comcast's 250 GB? The difference of 150 and 250 is 100 GB of additional $20 charges per month. I mean DSL prices are almost in the same range as cable with lower speeds.



frmStckHldr

@charter.com frmStckHldr Anon AT&T -- the Texans continue to destroy their own game As a former stockholder in a number of 'Baby Bells' I've watched in dismay as "The Texans" (as those who ran the former SBC, now AT&T, are known inside the company) have continued to destroy the legacy of a once great company.



Am I bitter because their mismanagement all but destroyed my retirement portfolio? Maybe just a little.



But even after finally divesting myself of the shriveled remains of my SBC holdings (I'd held other Baby Bell stocks but The Texans were a lot better at arbitrage than running a communications company and they were absorbed into SBC, where I saw my holding shrink to about 18% of their one time value) I continued to watch in disbelief as they mismanaged and mangled a once great company.



With connections to long time employees, I've had a bit of an insider view into that mismanagement.



Think they treat their customers badly -- like cash cows to be milked? It's nothing compared to what they do to their employees, who they grind down and then force out, pushing typical wages down ever-closer to burger joint wages.



gc444

join:2000-11-23

Pinson, AL gc444 Member Good old Ma Bell Well I am glad that I switched to Charter last year. Just hope Charter does not get any ideas from this. While Uverse is available in my area it unfortunately is not on my end of the neighborhood that would not be an option for me. Just one more reason I dislike AT&T.



zalternate

join:2007-02-22

freedom land zalternate Member And on the kinda good side, kinda Well at least the overage charge is $10 per 50GB(20 cents per GB), instead of $2 or more per each single GB.

But if you go over the cap? Is the overage fee 'pro-rated'? So if you go over by 25GB's, do you then pay $5?



But streaming video is getting squeezed by the balls, to try and prevent people from cutting the old school TV cord.



Now lets see if users are testing to see if the Bandwidth meters are actually accurate.



wdoa

join:2001-10-16

Spencer, MA 1 recommendation wdoa Member If these telco/cable companies are going to insist on caps.. ..then we really do need government oversite to make sure they are measuring bandwidth correctly. What's keeping the telcos and cable companies from getting a little "creative" with there determinations of usage? We have "weights and measures" divisions of government to make sure we are getting what we are supposed to at gas stations, grocery stores (items that are sold by weight, etc). We need a virtual weights and measures to oversee these bastards, cuz I'd be willing to bet that many of these companies wouldn't hesitate to screw it to their customers.



Coke

join:2009-07-17 Coke Member 3rd party dsl.. Unless they are imposing the cap at the wholesale level, at least you can probably get DSL through something like DSLExtreme on att's line and get uncapped service. DSLExtreme has much better customer service and their service is rock solid in general anyway.



It's really no surprise why ATT would impose the cap now that they have their own TV service on the line though.



MxxCon

join:1999-11-19

Brooklyn, NY ARRIS TM822

Actiontec MI424WR Rev. I

MxxCon Member Protests?

If AT&T is allowed to implement this, VZ will follow them, then TW, then CV and all the other ISPs and their greed will destroy all the innovation that is going on the internet right now.



I wish Karl is as much against these caps as he was against BOPL.. Don't you think customers in the affected areas should protest this the way Canadians did it?If AT&T is allowed to implement this, VZ will follow them, then TW, then CV and all the other ISPs and their greed will destroy all the innovation that is going on the internet right now.I wish Karl is as much against these caps as he was against BOPL..



Chuck kCAR

@teksavvy.com Chuck kCAR Anon Re: Protests? Canadians protested because Bell tried to impose their low caps and huge overuse charges on all the third party providers of dsl. Twenty five gigabytes a month up in Canada is a pittance.



MxxCon

join:1999-11-19

Brooklyn, NY MxxCon Member Re: Protests? yes, 25gigs is nothing, but 150gigs isn't cornucopia either.



trparky

CYA! I'm gone!

Premium Member

join:2000-05-24

Cleveland, OH 1 recommendation trparky Premium Member What are they standing on? Their bloody stumps? This is a company that has continuously made bad business decisions and continuously alienates their customer base.



First AT&T Wireless with not sufficiently upgrading their wireless networks and then waiting until the "last minute" to do upgrades because the people complained of either slow data or massive amounts of dropped calls. Then another bout of alienation, low data caps for smart phone users. Now they are implementing caps with their DSL/VDSL Internet service users?



What is it with this company in which they are trying their very best to be the last place service provider? Who is in charge of this company? Retarded test monkeys on drugs? Business school rejects?



Seriously, this company has shot themselves in the foot so many times I'm surprised they have anything to stand on anymore. What are they standing on? Their bloody stumps?

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

San Jose, CA 360.8 10.3

·Comcast XFINITY

chgo_man99 Member Re: What are they standing on? Their bloody stumps? I am not a fan of fraternities but if you went to college or university that has them, it is like the one of the worst cocky fraternities. They are the same bloodsucky bastards who not long time ago used hazing, now use whatever within legal limits but still horrible such as efforts in imposing excessive control not only inside their clubs but also outside on campus. A lot of it has to do with showing off (like volunteering) but the mission or goal is different from portrayed (discriminating others not in their club). Like politicians. Same bastards.



Jaybird7

@bellsouth.net Jaybird7 to trparky

Anon to trparky

Amen! Fixing to kick their sorry asses to the curb. 6.0 is slow compared to Comcast's 12+ and the Comcast is smoother as well



CCNnorthcali

join:2004-03-07

San Francisco, CA CCNnorthcali Member If you live in northern California... ...consider Sonic.net. Their service is cheap, reliable, and you won't have to deal with a cap.