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Hero MemberActivity: 1120Merit: 500 BFL Timeline - illustrated April 09, 2013, 08:40:18 PM #1

Thought I share this with you for giggles ...



Kelticfox: I was linked to the BFL Facebook page today and was flicking through the old posts and this made me chuckle.....



20th September 2012





27th November 2012





13th December 2012





18th January 2013





22nd January 2013





22nd January 2013





26th February 2013





26th February 2013





Made me chuckle.... got to the 26th February and BFL are like "Screw it.... "

Nice find from Kelticfox here: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1709-browsing-bfl-facebook-page-made-me-chuckle.html#post23137 Thought I share this with you for giggles ...Kelticfox: I was linked to the BFL Facebook page today and was flicking through the old posts and this made me chuckle.....20th September 201227th November 201213th December 201218th January 201322nd January 201322nd January 201326th February 201326th February 2013Made me chuckle.... got to the 26th February and BFL are like "Screw it.... "

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Full MemberActivity: 238Merit: 100 Re: BFL Timeline - illustrated April 10, 2013, 12:25:12 AM #4 Very nice graphic way of illustrating that the final stages have been rolling on for about 6 months and counting! What sort of project manager does this? A competent PM would foresee all these difficulties and plan ahead instead of delaying the project and still keep raking in people's pre-orders (which is not very good business practise either) and further delaying shipping dates.



BTW, I got an email from BFL that the shipping dates will be in July.... or before! When I ordered, it was in June. Lets see how many months this keeps on going! "Everything is a matter of degree"

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UntrustworthyHero MemberActivity: 588Merit: 500Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet Re: BFL Timeline - illustrated April 10, 2013, 12:47:10 AM #9 Quote from: nathanrees19 on April 10, 2013, 12:33:58 AM Quote from: creativex on April 09, 2013, 08:44:28 PM Hopefully some thieves

Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation.

Shipping late is theft? I better go change the legislation.

I'm one for "innocent until proven guilty", so let's look at the facts:



A company takes money for a product that they say they will give by a certain time

They fail to provide that product by that time

That's guilty in and of itself, but most people will give more time-- so we do! Another month. Then another. Then another. How much guilt do you need to call someone guilty of lying? And if the lie is related to a promise of service/product after receiving payments, how many decades does it take to know for sure they scammed you?



This isn't a community "misunderstanding", nor is it an unfair "guilty until proven innocent" assessment. It's a very natural reaction to a company who has never provided a product people paid for. When they provide it, just as it is in court, the evidence will set them free (for the most part), but until then you seem to be defending something you admit is wrong. Why?



No one is saying they can't make spiffy cases (I love their cases!), but you can't mine bitcoins with fans alone. I'm one for "innocent until proven guilty", so let's look at the facts:That's guilty in and of itself, but most people will give more time-- so we do! Another month. Then another. Then another. How much guilt do you need to call someone guilty of lying? And if the lie is related to a promise of service/product after receiving payments, how many decades does it take to know for sure they scammed you?This isn't a community "misunderstanding", nor is it an unfair "guilty until proven innocent" assessment. It's a very natural reaction to a company who has never provided a product people paid for. When they provide it, just as it is in court, the evidence will set them free (for the most part), but until then you seem to be defending something you admit is wrong. Why?No one is saying they can't make spiffy cases (I love their cases!), but you can't mine bitcoins with fans alone. My transparent history + transaction-specific feedback thread | No e-begging! If you need money, work for it! | Bitcoin EU Convention 2013, Amsterdam, Sept 26~28

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LegendaryActivity: 1456Merit: 1025In Cryptocoins I Trust Re: BFL Timeline - illustrated April 10, 2013, 01:10:52 AM #12 Quote from: creativex on April 10, 2013, 12:52:26 AM *JUST* incompetent?



Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. Then explain to me how BFL staff could have possibly failed to recognize this fact for months while they continuously told pre-order victims that they'd "scheduled shipments" x number of days or weeks in the future. Then there's the official "honest abe" faq that said they'd ship in October of 2012.

Holy crap dude really? You still think they'reincompetent?Please explain to me how there was ever a > 0% chance of any ASIC mining products leaving Butterfly Labs during 2012. Then explain to me how BFL staff could have possibly failed to recognize this fact for months while they continuously told pre-order victims that they'd "scheduled shipments" x number of days or weeks in the future. Then there's the official "honest abe" faq that said they'd ship in October of 2012.

Yep... I've been saying this since December... They knew damn well they wouldn't have products in October/November.



They lied and continue to lie to collect more pre-order monies and deter refunds.



I believe they are getting close now, but I still think they are giving overly optimistic dates like "next week".



Next week... every week.



Ah.. I love being an Avalon customer and not having to worry about BFL's incompetence.



PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi Yep... I've been saying this since December... They knew damn well they wouldn't have products in October/November.They lied and continue to lie to collect more pre-order monies and deter refunds.I believe they are getting close now, but I still think they are giving overly optimistic dates like "next week".Next week... every week.Ah.. I love being an Avalon customer and not having to worry about BFL's incompetence.PS: just ignore nathanrees19... he's just a BFL fan boi