Joy-Ann Reid on Saturday apologized for her past “hurtful” remarks about LGBTQ people, following the resurfacing of homophobic blog posts from the mid-to-late 2000s. But she also said that she still doesn’t “believe” that she wrote the blog posts, suggesting — without evidence — that they were the result of an elaborate hack.

The host of MSNBC’s weekend show AM Joy has been under fire for newly uncovered blog posts published on Reid’s now-defunct blog, the Reid Report, in the mid-to late 2000s that repeatedly mocked gay people and specific individuals who were allegedly gay.

The posts, for example, suggested — without much, if any, evidence — that Tom Cruise, Karl Rove, and Chief Justice John Robert’s son are gay. Other posts made derogatory remarks about gay people, claiming that “most straight people cringe at the sight of two men kissing” and that “adult gay men tend to be attracted to very young, post-pubescent types.” One post acknowledged, “Does that make me homophobic? Probably.”

These are different from previous blog posts that Reid apologized for in December 2017. In those past posts, Reid wrote that then-Florida Gov. Charlie Crist was gay, nicknamed him “Miss Charlie,” and claimed that he only married a woman for political purposes. Reid said her comments were “insensitive, tone-deaf and dumb. There is no excusing it — not based on the taste-skewing mores of talk radio or the then-blogosphere, and not based on my intentions.” Crist, who’s now a member of Congress, accepted her apology.

Instead of apologizing for the more recently resurfaced blog posts, though, Reid at first denied that she posted them altogether. In a statement to Mediate on Monday, Reid said that the blog posts were the work of hackers and “part of an effort to taint my character with false information by distorting a blog that ended a decade ago.”

There was always reason to be skeptical of the claim. For one, the blog posts were archived by internet crawlers and, in those archives, really dated to the mid-to-late 2000s — a time when Reid wasn’t an MSNBC host or even a widely known national figure, raising questions about why someone would bother hacking her. This helped elevate the controversy further, as even some of Reid’s supporters questioned why she didn’t apologize instead of making assertions that have no evidence behind them and that many find literally unbelievable.

Reid herself acknowledged the skepticism on her show on Saturday: “When a friend found [the posts] in December and sent them to me, I was stunned. Frankly, I couldn’t imagine where they’d come from or whose voice that was. In the months since, I’ve spent a lot of time trying to make sense of these posts. I hired cybersecurity experts to see if somebody had manipulated my words or my former blog. And the reality is they have not been able to prove it.”

.@MSNBC's Joy Reid addresses homophobic blog posts:



"I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things ... But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted and have written in the past, why some people don't believe me." pic.twitter.com/PWjdPfs5KB — MSNBC (@MSNBC) April 28, 2018

“I genuinely do not believe I wrote those hateful things, because they are completely alien to me,” she added. “But I can definitely understand, based on things I have tweeted and have written in the past, why some people don’t believe me. I’ve not been exempt from being dumb or cruel or hurtful to the very people I want to advocate for. I own that. I get it. And for that, I am truly, truly sorry.”

Reid also hosted a panel with LGBTQ activists about the blog posts, telling them to “feel free to grill me.” And she apologized for newly resurfaced tweets in which she made transphobic remarks that suggested conservative pundit Ann Coulter is a man.

A lot has happened since the blog posts were resurfaced, from the posts themselves to Reid’s initial claim that she was hacked to her apology on Saturday. Here’s what you need to know.

What the old blog posts on Reid’s site said

Twitter user @Jamie_Maz uncovered the original blog posts about Crist in November 2017.

1/x From 2007 to 2009 @joyannreid authored a dozen homophobic posts not only attempting to out Charlie Crist as gay, she attacked & mocked him for being so.



She repeatedly referred to him as "Miss Charlie" and tagged posts about him under "gay politicians." (thread) pic.twitter.com/tRYvJ3lTc8 — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) November 30, 2017

On April 18, @Jamie_Maz followed on that first discovery with a much bigger reveal — one that, according to @Jamie_Maz, showed “Joy Reid’s homophobic blog posts were far worse than 1st reported.”

The thread for these blog posts is very, very long — spanning 48 tweets. But there are some common themes.

First, the blog posts were very focused on outing people who weren’t publicly gay at the time or not gay at all. The posts’ targets ranged from celebrities and politicians to political operatives and pundits to the children of political figures. Here are a few examples:

2/x Top 5 "totally not gay celebrities of the year".



Using your media platform to out people you think is gay to get clicks has nothing to do with Republicans hypocrisy on gay marriage. pic.twitter.com/0B921itHkj — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

3/x Joy writes that @karlrove is known as Miss Piggy in Washington DC’s gay circles. Claims he is a leader of the gay Republican mafia.



Joy re-posted this "reidblog classics" at the end of the year for her readers’ enjoyment. pic.twitter.com/mFTvApK0VX — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

13/x When Bush nominated Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, Joy wrote that the real question people should be asking is whether or not Miers was a lesbian.



She then mocks the lesbian haircuts of the directors of NOW and GLAAD. pic.twitter.com/2bo4ggGXsZ — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

A few of the posts didn’t appear to actually accuse people of being gay, but instead used homosexuality as a punchline and insult to criticize political figures and pundits:

14/x Instead of just writing about a Sean Hannity interview with Dick Cheney, Joy again goes for gay references and innuendo. pic.twitter.com/KjAUGedBgZ — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

17/x Joy writes that @SenJohnMcCain and Bush are so gay together it’s a wonder they haven’t eloped in Massachusetts.



Again, no reason to make gay references if you want to write about McCain and Bush. pic.twitter.com/fYHgQD0QyU — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

Some of the blog posts focused on the supposed grossness of gay intimacy, from kissing to sex:

5/x Joy said Tim Hardaway’s comments about gay teammates were stupid for a public figure to make, but says there is a caveat –



She says part of the intrinsic nature of straightness is that gay sex is gross, that most straight people feel that way. pic.twitter.com/Glo6YrvHME — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

24/x In reaction to a Snickers ad, Joy says people thinking two men kissing is gross is normal. Sorry LGBTQ people.



Joy says it is human nature to expect romantic pairings to be male female. pic.twitter.com/PIDHAgz0Sb — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

One post suggested that gay men prey on impressionable young men:

12/x General Pace said homosexuality was immoral. A Chicago Tribune reporter wrote that it really wasn’t a big deal, Joy writes there is a caveat. She says real concern is about gay people being attracted to young males & gay rights groups targeting impressionable teens. pic.twitter.com/iwjAkazanW — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

And a few posts acknowledged opposition to same-sex marriage and called it a “stupid issue”:

19/x Joy - I am not a gay marriage supporter pic.twitter.com/wbf2QSkx7n — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

22/x Joy argues you shouldn’t support issues people who elected you care about like Iraq and the economy. Reaching across the aisle is more important than satisfying liberals. Gays are the odd ones out of Obama's victory because they are pushing stupid issues like gay marriage. pic.twitter.com/NmSl97jUKr — Not a bot (@Jamie_Maz) April 18, 2018

Again, these are only a few examples. For all of the blog posts, check out @Jamie_Maz’s full Twitter thread.

Reid initially claimed she was hacked

In a statement to Mediate on Monday, Reid at first said that the recently resurfaced blog posts were “fabricated”:

In December I learned that an unknown, external party accessed and manipulated material from my now-defunct blog, The Reid Report, to include offensive and hateful references that are fabricated and run counter to my personal beliefs and ideology. I began working with a cyber-security expert who first identified the unauthorized activity, and we notified federal law enforcement officials of the breach. The manipulated material seems to be part of an effort to taint my character with false information by distorting a blog that ended a decade ago. Now that the site has been compromised I can state unequivocally that it does not represent the original entries. I hope that whoever corrupted the site recognizes the pain they have caused, not just to me, but to my family and communities that I care deeply about: LGBTQ, immigrants, people of color and other marginalized groups.

According to Reid’s attorneys, the FBI is currently investigating her claim and “potential criminal activities surrounding several online accounts, including personal email and blog accounts, belonging to Joy-Ann Reid.”

On Saturday, Reid seemed to back off the claim — acknowledging the lack of evidence for it and issuing an apology for any past “hurtful” comments toward the LGBTQ community, but also indicating that she still does not “believe” she wrote the blog posts.

Even before her apology, some of Reid’s colleagues came to her defense. Joan Walsh, a CNN contributor and friend of Reid’s, wrote that she tracked Reid’s work while she was an editor at Salon and, in fact, was the first person to publish Reid. “Obviously, none of us ever saw the kinds of homophobic posts she’s now accused of. If we had, we’d have stopped publishing her,” Walsh wrote. She added that while she did not read everything Reid wrote, she “did read it enough to know that [Reid] did not regularly reflect the attitudes [Reid]’s accused of here.”

Meanwhile, the LGBTQ advocacy group, PFLAG National, rescinded Reid’s Straight for Equality in Media Award in response to the allegations. And the Daily Beast “hit pause” on Reid’s column for the news site.

The hacking claim fell apart under scrutiny

People were always highly skeptical of Reid’s initial claim that she was hacked.

According to Jonathan Nichols, the cybersecurity expert hired by Reid, the hacks would have taken place around 2005 to 2009 — which is why the blog posts were picked up by the Wayback Machine, which archives websites in real time, and tagged during that time period.

Reporter Hayley Miller gave a very good breakdown at HuffPost of the reasons to be skeptical of the hacking claim. But here is the key point:

Since Wayback Machine captures sites in real time, this means someone would have had to hack Reid’s blog numerous times between 2005 and 2009. If someone hacked her blog recently and attempted to change the timestamps to a previous year, Wayback Machine would still archive the posts according to the date they were actually hacked. … It’s unclear who would repeatedly target Reid in the mid-to-late-2000s, more than a decade before she rose to national fame with MSNBC. Reid’s Wikipedia page wasn’t even created until 2014.

Another problem: Why didn’t Reid notice that someone else was repeatedly posting on her blog without her permission in the mid-to-late 2000s? “For example, an allegedly fraudulent post was added on March 7, 2005. On March 9, 2005, Reid published a post that has not been called into question,” Miller wrote. “Wouldn’t the supposedly unfamiliar post have caught her eye when she added the next one?”

In Reid’s defense, Nichols pointed to the lack of comments in the homophobic posts as evidence that the blog was hacked — because “[i]f those posts were real, they would have undoubtedly elicited responses from Ms. Reid’s base.” But, Miller noted, “there don’t appear to be any comments on most of the posts from the mid-2000s.”

Nichols further expanded his argument by claiming that some of the screenshots of the posts were themselves doctored. “We have significant evidence indicating that not only was Ms. Reid’s old blog compromised, some of the recently circulated posts were not even on the site at any time, suggesting that these instances may be the result of screenshot manipulation with the intent to tarnish Ms. Reid’s character,” he wrote in a statement on Tuesday.

According to Miller, @Jamie_Maz has denied altering the screenshots beyond underlining some key segments. And many of the blog posts could be found on the Wayback Machine — so, at the very least, some of them are real.

The Wayback Machine, meanwhile, noted in a blog post that its own investigation “found nothing to indicate tampering or hacking” on its end, suggesting that the Wayback Machine wasn’t hacked to misleadingly show fraudulent blog posts. Old Dominion University computer scientist Michael Nelson also found that other internet archiving websites, beyond the Wayback Machine, had picked up and dated the old blog posts — so a hack that targeted the archives would have to have hit those other sites too, which Nelson described as “extraordinarily unlikely.”

Another report, by Daily Beast contributor Kevin Poulsen, found methodological errors in Nichols’s analysis for Reid — which Nichols himself acknowledged, saying he’s “looking to resolve the discrepancy.”

Beyond the blog posts themselves, the style of comments weren’t exactly out of character for Reid. In recent days, for example, tweets have resurfaced in which Reid made other anti-LGBTQ remarks, from suggesting that conservative pundit Ann Coulter is a man to repeatedly calling Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) “Miss Lindsey” — indicating that this was a pattern beyond her initially resurfaced blog posts about Charlie Crist.

"@ricksanchezcnn: i'm going to interview ann coulter tonite , what do u want me to ask her?" /don't you mean "shim?" — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) July 23, 2010

RT @TheReidReport P.M. clicks: Colbert advises Miss Lindsey, Milbank advises Charlie http://bit.ly/adrk3T — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) April 25, 2010

Reid apologized for the Coulter tweets on Saturday. “I want to apologize to the trans community and to Ann. Those tweets were wrong and horrible,” she said.

This has all gotten very political

One thing driving this issue to the forefront is Reid’s past political commentary — which has drawn the ire of people from both the left and right.

On the left, Reid was very critical of Bernie Sanders’s 2016 campaign against Hillary Clinton. This has created an ongoing conflict between Reid and Sanders supporters in particular — which you can get a taste of through a quick Google search for “Joy Reid Bernie Sanders.”

Reid, for example, previously said that Sanders is “not a Democrat” on Meet the Press — since he has classified as an independent before and after the 2016 campaign. She doubled down on this theme in tweets last year, writing that “[t]his demand: that people outside a party get to choose that party’s nominees, is always amazing to me.”

This demand: that people outside a party get to choose that party's nominees, is always amazing to me. https://t.co/rS4Du58hLU — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) June 12, 2017

It's like saying: "I'm not going to be your roommate, but I demand the right to help you choose an apartment since I might visit one day." — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) June 12, 2017

In fact, not only do I not want to be your roommate, I intend to trash whatever apartment you pick when I visit. But let me pick the place! — Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) June 12, 2017

The Twitter thread goes on, ending with, “Not saying they’re not welcome to move in. I’m sure the party would welcome them. But for now? They’re *that* longterm couch friend.”

Reid also criticized some Sanders supporters, in 2016 hosting a segment on “Bernie bros” who were “accused of online trolling, misogyny, and outright bigotry.” Talking to a Washington Post reporter who had written about “some of Bernie Sanders’s more vitriolic supporters,” Reid said, “I read your piece, and it all was so very familiar as somebody who covers this race and who tweets a lot, and so is on social media.”

At one point, Reid even criticized Sanders for how he treats his wife, in 2017 writing that Sanders was not a good example of a “credible national authority figure” in the context of #MeToo due to “his physical dismissal of women in his presence (including his own wife).” That tweet drew a response from Jane Sanders, the senator’s wife, who criticized Reid’s “biased reporting about Bernie during the last 2 years.”

I didn't answer your biased reporting about Bernie during the last 2 years @JoyAnnReid. But don't ever use me to demean my husband. I am very happy & very proud to be Bernie's wife. Your perception couldn't be more wrong. Have you ever talked with him? You've never spoken w/me. https://t.co/SZG7uV8cfO — Jane O'Meara Sanders (@janeosanders) November 29, 2017

On the right, Reid has long been very critical of Trump, from his policies against minority Americans to his alleged collusion with Russia during the presidential campaign. All of this has led Reid to become a big pundit among Trump critics — leading the New York Times to profile her in a 2018 article headlined, “How Joy Reid of MSNBC Became a Heroine of the Resistance.”

All of that is to lay the context of why a lot of people were so quick to go after Reid once the latest allegations of homophobia came out: In a lot of circles on the left and right, she had a lot of critics beforehand.

That helps explain why, for example, Fox News host Tucker Carlson used a whole segment to blast Reid. He said her claim that she was hacked was “childish” and argued that “you’d have to be a moron to believe it.” But he also went after her political views, calling her an “icon on the progressive left” and claiming that “there is not a single fashionable opinion that Joy Reid doesn’t have or isn’t happy to denounce you for not having” — showing that his criticisms of Reid go beyond the recent allegations.

On the other side, it also helps explain why Trump critics like Joan Walsh and Jeffrey Toobin were so quick to defend her.

That does not prove that the allegations are false or driven by some sort of political conspiracy, or that people are only criticizing or defending Reid due to her political views. But it’s important context as the accusations against Reid get more discussion in the news and social media.

Many people really have changed their minds on LGBTQ issues

In the background is the fact that if Reid really made anti-LGBTQ comments in the mid-to-late 2000s and simply changed her views since then, it wouldn’t be surprising.

After all, major political figures like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton went through their own political transformations on these issues over the years — at first opposing same-sex marriage before eventually supporting it. While it was easy to dismiss these evolutions as political opportunism once marriage equality became more popular, the reality is that a lot of Americans have gone through a similar transformation to support more LGBTQ rights.

Consider Gallup’s polling: From 1996 to 2017, both Democrats and Republicans became more supportive of same-sex marriage — driving support to a record high of 64 percent last year.

Similarly, the US public has over time become more favorable toward homosexuality overall and transgender people in general.

That in no way justifies the homophobia or bigotry in the old blog posts. But it provides some context for the era in which they occurred.

In this context, it wouldn’t be surprising if someone blogging in 2005 held different views about LGBTQ people than they do today. And while that might at times be embarrassing or offensive, it’s part of being a growing, thinking human being in a rapidly changing world.

After acknowledging the lack of evidence for the hacking claim on Saturday, Reid said on her show that she herself has changed: “The person I am now is not the person I was then. I like to think I’ve gotten better as a person over time — that I’m still growing, that I’m not the same person I was 10 or five or even one year ago. And I know that my goal is to try to be a better person and a better ally.”