Does anyone else think that KFvB could be supressing/running from his own homosexual self?



Because among the very few sterotypes, in regards to people who think sexual orientation's not hardwired, are people supressing their own sexuality, useally people who can't handle the fact they are gay because of cultural constraints. This leads to huge dysfunctional problems of depression, drug/alcohol abuse &/or dysfuctional behaviour like 'poofter bashing' where they are trying to bash their demons away.



Really the the way he puts forward his sexual orientation blankslate theories with such certaintity as being simply undisputed facts rather than theories is a hint of this:



quote: Robert M. Pirsig:



You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, its always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt.



So too is the subject of his browsing, linking gay pics suggest he browses gay sites.



The simple fact is the vast majority of people, I'd say at least 98% feel they have absolutelly no choice about their sexual orientation. I don't find anything at all sexual about blokes but I can't help but perv at women, its got nothing to do with culture - more or less instantly during my early teens I want from being repulsed by women to staring at them. The vast majority of people are as definite about their sexuality as me, whether male or female, gay or straight. The simple fact that huge percentages of gays that come from conservative families goes against KFvB's cultural theories. Look at the high gay rate amongst conservative catholic Spainish families.



The type of people that are confused about their sexualtity useally come from really dyfunctional family/cultural situations. Like girls that get abused by their daddy/step daddy & become lesbians because they hate men. Sure some 60% or whatever of lesbians become lesbians because they're hardwired that way, but a good percentage of the balance become lesbians due to sexual abuse by men at young ages. Of course many sexually abused girls don't become lesbians but a disproportionate percentage do. Also a disproportionate percentage of women who become prostitutes end up becoming lesbians too - they get so sick of 'revolting' men thrusting away on top of them that they turn to women, but yet many go back to blokes within a period of time after they stop working as prostitutes, suggesting they are hardwired heterosexuals all the time. Then there's people who are hardwired gay but are brought up in families/cultures/religions where that's unnacceptable & they supress it, making themselves very dysfunctional in the process.



Plus I used to work with this bloke who women found so repulsive (looks & personality) that he became bisexual as they only way he could find sexual partners was by being willing to have sex with other desperate men, it still didn't halt the fact that it was women who turned him on. He would even think about women while having sex with men.



This is like men who supress their gayness & make a 'fake it till they make it' attempt at heterosexuality. Often getting married & having kids, all while thinking about other men & at the same time supressions their thoughts. Just because one's attracted to one sex doesn't mean they can't have sex with the other sex, look at jail.



IMAO its the same thing with people who are sexualy attracted to children or young teens. The fact these 2 sub-groups never overlap suggests its hardwired. Those who go for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 year olds don't go for 13, 14, 15 year olds & vice-a-versa, unless they're a power obsessed rapist who'd rape anything, Or the daddy/step-daddy types. Both a power thing rather than about sex orientation.



IMAO people who go for 13, 14, 15 year olds (unless they look 'n act like 18 year olds) are generally people who's sexual maturity hasn't aged since they were that age themselves. An old mate of mine from school & the pub was always into teeny-boppers, he's just stayed interested in the same girls he was interested in when he was at school - he never matured past that age (he lives in a squat now & is a chronic goey head)



Pete: quote: "

Most countries have within 3 or 4 years age difference exemptions to carnal knowledge laws."



No, they don't, and age difference legislation doesn't solve the issue anyway.



What gives you that idea? Do you go reading the small print in carnal knowledge statutes arround the world. I'll tell you something, every carnal knowledge statute I've studied up on has a age differance clause, useally if one is within 3 or 4 years of age of the other party (depending on the juristiction) one becomes exempt from the statute, same again if you have the permission of the other party's parent/guardian.



I gathered you drew wrong conclusions from



Take Oz, every state & territory here (that's 8 juristictions) has close age differance exemptions, but no where on that chart does it mention them. Ontop of which they have only 3 Oz jurisstictions listed for statute summaries, & of the 3, only 1 clearly shows the close age difference clauses, Tasmania:



quote: a) that person was of or above the age of fifteen (15) years and the accused person was not more than 5 years older than that person ; or

b) that person was of or above the age of twelve (12) years and the accused person was not more than 3 years older than that person. "



Now seeing such clauses are universal amongst the 8 common law juristictions of Oz there's no reason to assume such clauses don't exist amongst the vast majority of commonlaw juristictions on the planet. & going by that chart, in general it's the commonlaw juristions that are amongst the strictest (except for countries like Pakistan that have no age restrictions or clauses, but have extreme penalties for homsexuality & adultry, whether consent is given or not, IE if a woman is raped by someone other than her husband she's automatically guilty of adulty)



[This message was edited by DABANSHEE on December 30, 2002 at 12:31.] So too is the subject of his browsing, linking gay pics suggest he browses gay sites.The simple fact is the vast majority of people, I'd say at least 98% feel they have absolutelly no choice about their sexual orientation. I don't find anything at all sexual about blokes but I can't help but perv at women, its got nothing to do with culture - more or less instantly during my early teens I want from being repulsed by women to staring at them. The vast majority of people are as definite about their sexuality as me, whether male or female, gay or straight. The simple fact that huge percentages of gays that come from conservative families goes against KFvB's cultural theories. Look at the high gay rate amongst conservative catholic Spainish families.The type of people that are confused about their sexualtity useally come from really dyfunctional family/cultural situations. Like girls that get abused by their daddy/step daddy & become lesbians because they hate men. Sure some 60% or whatever of lesbians become lesbians because they're hardwired that way, but a good percentage of the balance become lesbians due to sexual abuse by men at young ages. Of course many sexually abused girls don't become lesbians but a disproportionate percentage do. Also a disproportionate percentage of women who become prostitutes end up becoming lesbians too - they get so sick of 'revolting' men thrusting away on top of them that they turn to women, but yet many go back to blokes within a period of time after they stop working as prostitutes, suggesting they are hardwired heterosexuals all the time. Then there's people who are hardwired gay but are brought up in families/cultures/religions where that's unnacceptable & they supress it, making themselves very dysfunctional in the process.Plus I used to work with this bloke who women found so repulsive (looks & personality) that he became bisexual as they only way he could find sexual partners was by being willing to have sex with other desperate men, it still didn't halt the fact that it was women who turned him on. He would even think about women while having sex with men.This is like men who supress their gayness & make a 'fake it till they make it' attempt at heterosexuality. Often getting married & having kids, all while thinking about other men & at the same time supressions their thoughts. Just because one's attracted to one sex doesn't mean they can't have sex with the other sex, look at jail.IMAO its the same thing with people who are sexualy attracted to children or young teens. The fact these 2 sub-groups never overlap suggests its hardwired. Those who go for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 year olds don't go for 13, 14, 15 year olds & vice-a-versa, unless they're a power obsessed rapist who'd rape anything, Or the daddy/step-daddy types. Both a power thing rather than about sex orientation.IMAO people who go for 13, 14, 15 year olds (unless they look 'n act like 18 year olds) are generally people who's sexual maturity hasn't aged since they were that age themselves. An old mate of mine from school & the pub was always into teeny-boppers, he's just stayed interested in the same girls he was interested in when he was at school - he never matured past that age (he lives in a squat now & is a chronic goey head)What gives you that idea? Do you go reading the small print in carnal knowledge statutes arround the world. I'll tell you something, every carnal knowledge statute I've studied up on has a age differance clause, useally if one is within 3 or 4 years of age of the other party (depending on the juristiction) one becomes exempt from the statute, same again if you have the permission of the other party's parent/guardian.I gathered you drew wrong conclusions from the Age of Consent Site , but if you look carefully you'll notice it doesn't show the fine print of each of the individual AoC/CK statutes for every country it lists.Take Oz, every state & territory here (that's 8 juristictions) has close age differance exemptions, but no where on that chart does it mention them. Ontop of which they have only 3 Oz jurisstictions listed for statute summaries, & of the 3, only 1 clearly shows the close age difference clauses, Tasmania:Now seeing such clauses are universal amongst the 8 common law juristictions of Oz there's no reason to assume such clauses don't exist amongst the vast majority of commonlaw juristictions on the planet. & going by that chart, in general it's the commonlaw juristions that are amongst the strictest (except for countries like Pakistan that have no age restrictions or clauses, but have extreme penalties for homsexuality & adultry, whether consent is given or not, IE if a woman is raped by someone other than her husband she's automatically guilty of adulty)[This message was edited by DABANSHEE on December 30, 2002 at 12:31.]