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LINKING HIM TO HUGO CHAVEZ, SUGGESTING THAT HE WAS SYMPATHETIC TO HEZBOLLAH. SENATOR SANDERS CAME BACK WITH THIS STATEMENT, SAYING IT'S THE KIND OF ONSLAUGHT I EXPECTED TO SEE FROM THE KOCH BROTHERS. HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THAT? DAVID: WE ARE DOING DUE DILIGENCE ON SECRETARY HUNTON'S OPPONENTS. -- SECRETARY CLINTON'S OPPONENTS. WE MOVE A LOT OF MEDIA IN THE ROUND IN THE PRESS ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND ABOUT 63 CLINTON, A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY OPPONENT. I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING NEW OR SURPRISING ABOUT THIS. JOHN: SENATOR SANDERS DID NOT SAY A NEGATIVE WORD ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON IS A PART. ILLUSORY CLINTON --HILLARY CLINTON HAS NOT SAID SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT SENATOR SANDERS. WHY COMPARE HIM TO THESE UNSAVORY FOLKS? DAVID: THERE ARE THREE ISSUES THAT BOTH SENATOR CLINTON AND SENATOR SANDERS ARE CAMPAIGNING ON SUCCESSFULLY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DRAW SOME CONTRASTS. JOHN: DO YOU THINK BERNIE SANDERS RESEMBLES HUGO CHAVEZ? DAVID: THE RESEARCH DOESN'T SAY THAT, NO. JOHN: BUT BY RAISING THE COMPARISON, IT SEEMS YOU ARE SAYING THAT. DAVID: THE RESEARCH IS FACT-BASED, PEOPLE CAN LOOK AT IT AND WEIGHT IT. JOHN: IS THAT THE BEGINNING -- DO YOU SEE IT AS YOUR ROLE TO DO THE DIRTY WORK FOR THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO AGAINST BERNIE SANDERS DIRECTLY? DAVID: THIS IS NO DIRTY WORK-- JOHN: HUGO CHAVEZ IS PRETTY DIRTY WORK. DAVID: IT'S JUST THE PROCESS. IT'S A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO THROUGH. JOHN: WHAT IS THE CONTRAST YOU ARE DRAWING WITHOUT E-MAIL? DAVID: WE ARE NOT PARTS OF SENATOR SANDERS -- WE ARE PUTTING OUT PARTS OF SENATOR SANDERS'RECORD. MOST OF MY BOOK IS ABOUT THE VEHICLE RICH OF HILLARY CLINTON. SOMETIMES I DO THE MEDIA'S HOMEWORK FOR THEM. WE SUPPLY RESEARCH AND FACTS. MARK: WHAT IS THE CONTRAST? YOU ARE SAYING, WHAT ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS COMPARED TO HILLARY CLINTON WITH THAT E-MAIL? DAVID: I AM FOR GREATER SCRUTINY OF THOSE THAT THEY ARE DOING TO HILLARY CLINTON. BERNIE SANDERS IS DOING WELL IN THE PRIMARIES. I DON'T HEAR MUCH COVERAGE OF HIS SUBSTANTIVE RECORD. WHERE'S THE INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP'S FINANCES? JOHN: THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ON THIS SHOW -- MARQUIS TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON'S E-MAILS. "HILLARY CLINTON HANDLED HER E-MAILS PERFECTLY." SECRETARY CLINTON HAS NOW APOLOGIZED FOR HER HANDLING OF THE E-MAILS. MY QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT SHE HANDLED HER E-MAILS PERFECTLY, EVEN WHEN SHE SEEMS TO ADMIT THAT SHE DID NOT. DAVID: THAT WAS EITHER DAY 2 OR 3 WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A PHONY SCANDAL. WE ARE NOW SIX MONTHS INTO IT. I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I NEVER THOUGHT WE WOULD BE SIX MONTHS INTO IT AND STILL BE TALKING ABOUT E-MAIL, E-MAIL, E-MAIL. THERE ARE TWO ANSWERS. SUBSTANTIVELY, IT IS CLEAR SHE FOLLOWED THE LAW. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE NOW AGREES WITH ME. SHE HAS FOLLOWED PRESIDENT AND WAS --SHE HAS FOLLOWED PRECEDENT . HERE IS WHAT I WAS WRONG ABOUT -- WHAT WAS NOT PERFECT, WAS THE POLITICS OF IT. MY BOOK TRIES TO PREDICT A LOT OF THE REPUBLICAN PLAYBOOK. BUT EVEN THIS WOULD HAVE SURPRISED ME. CLEARLY I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THEY HAPPEN AND ACTUALLY RAISING CONCERNS THAT ARE REAL-- JOHN: BUT THINK WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IT WAS NOT HANDLED RIGHT IS THE POLITICS. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CAMPAIGN MISHANDLED THIS ISSUE IN TERMS OF COMEDIC ASIAN? -- IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION? DAVID: NO, I'M MEANING SHE HANDLED IT ON THE SUBSTANCE, AND WHEN I SAID IT WAS PERFECT, I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WOULD BE HANDLED IN THIS WAY. CLEARLY SHE THOUGHT IT WAS EASIER TO USE THE ONE DEVICE THAT WASN'T THE BEST CHOICE. MARK: I'M DESPERATE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR BOOK. BUT I STILL WANT TO DOWN THIS THING YOU SAID ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS. I AGREE THAT HE NEEDS MORE SCRUTINY. I AGREE THAT HE HAS GOTTEN LESS THAN HILLARY CLINTON. WHAT WAS THAT MESSAGE YOU ARE KIND TO SEND ABOUT BERNIE SANDERS? WHAT ARE THOSE LISTS OF NAMES, THOSE ASSOCIATIONS, WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE AWAY FROM THAT? DAVID: MARK, WHEN A DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST TALK ABOUT THEIR STRATEGY, NOTHING DRIVES ME CRAZY OR. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FRAMING OR THE THOUGHT BEHIND IT. JOHN: YOU SAID THE POINT OF IT WAS TO MAKE A CONTRAST. WHAT IS THE CONTRAST? DAVID: I AM THE FACTS OUT AND YOU CAN MAKE YOUR CONCLUSION. JOHN: YOU'RE PUTTING THIS RESEARCH OUTFIT -- I INJURED TO PROVIDE A CONTRAST, WHAT IS THAT CONTRAST? SO CLINTON IS " A" AND SANDERS IS "B." WHAT IS A AND B? MARK: BERNIE SANDERS IS UPSET BY THAT E-MAIL. DO YOU WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO HIM? DAVID: THIS IS JUST STANDARD OPPOSITION RESEARCH. MARK: IN THE BOOK YOU WRITE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR PARTY'S NOMINEE, JOHN KERRY, THE SO-CALLED SWIFT BOATING. -- SWIFT VOTING. YOU CLAIMED THAT HE DIDN'T DEFEND HIMSELF AND UP. -- DEFEND HIMSELF ENOUGH. WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU AND CLINTON HAVE NOT DEFENDED YOURSELVES IN ON THIS E-MAIL ISSUE? DAVID: WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DEFEND HER ON THOSE E-MAILS. IT IS NOT BREAKING THROUGH -- IT IS AN UPLOAD KLEIN. IT IS A HARD SLOG. -- IT IS AN UPHILL CLIMB. JOHN: YOU WRITE ABOUT MEDIA ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT ANIMUS TOWARDS THE CLINTONS, AND THERE HAS BEEN FOREVER. YOU SAY SHE CAN BE A UNIFYING FIGURE. WHY, IF THERE IS SO MUCH INSTITUTIONAL ANIMUS, IF SHE IS PRESIDENT OF THE U.S., ARE WE NOT IN FOR MORE BITTERNESS AND VITRIOL, THE KIND THAT YOU DID AGNOSE INHABITING IN THE LAST 20 YEARS? DAVID: I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENDLESS WITHIN THE NEW YORK TIMES. I BELIEVE SHE IS A UNIFYING FIGURE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SHE HAS A HISTORY OF WORKING ACROSS THE AISLE WITH REPUBLICANS ON CERTAIN ISSUES IN THE SENATE. SHE IS A CLEAR AGGRESSIVE CHAMPION FOR THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. THAT IS WHY I WRITE IN THE BOOK THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE SO MUCH LOGIC IN A SIGNIFICANT PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO HER. SHE HAS BEEN THERE ON THESE ISSUES. I WROTE A BOOK 20 YEARS AGO ABOUT HER PASSIONATE PROGRESSIVE ADVOCACY. YOU KNOW THE STORY. WAY BACK. JOHN: HER TO IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE THE NUMERAL -- HARD TO IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE LIBERAL HATE MACHINE ARE BACKING OUT AND GIVING HER TIME TO GOVERN. DAVID: I JUST HOPE WE GET SOME FAIR COVER. JOHN: DAVID BROCK, THANK YOU. THE BOOK IS CALLED "KILLING THE MESSENGER." WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. DAVID: THANKS A LOT.