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0:28 Sparks are flying

Walton is exhausted from playing futbol

Sparks have through rank and file thoroughly won and got an unlikely supporter

The Teamsters Jimmy Hoffa Jr. supported a rank and file movement, but not the Teamsters for a Democratic Union

6:35 Stephen’s part of the world

Unions are back in the Cyberunions

Attended a small tech working group with Occupy Coyoacan

Started with web security discussion and ended with the OS that always forgets itself

Planned future security and free software options in workshops

9:23 Back to Walton’s world

Walton returns to his MA in Labor Studies program at Ruskin College to give a talk about Cyberunions



Stephen thinks we need less listeners and proposing Stephen’s MA labor studies programs takes on Walton’s MA program.

10:35 Tech Update

Stephen keeps secrets from Walton, he’s been learning things and having fun

We have a Forums section at Cyberunions

An unexpected quick install of Vanilla Forums

If you create an account on our Status/Identica sight email mv (a) cyberunions.org

One can use their Statusnet account as an OpenID to prevent needing multiple accounts for sites

13:28 Debate Commences…I mean we talk about things

We respond to the leftist critiques of Free Software, inspired by emails

Left wingers and Right wingers seem to like Free Software

Walton theorizes that the Right wing likes it cause it tackles the those collecting rent like Bill Gates

Current of libertarians in the tech sector, rent was left over from feudalism to capitalism

Capitalism can take advantage of free software, they do it with change in terms to “Open Source”

17:57 An analogy free software is to capitalism as unions are too

Like a union just cause you have one does not mean you are not working in the capitalist system, cause you are until you take over the means of the production

Free software is in a position where workers can take the means of production into their own hands

Organizing in the tech sector is very hard to organize

Massive online sandbox to experience what the commons are like and we can learn from it and apply to the physical world too

20:57 Skips the moon and mars and boom to Saturn

GM had a car brand named Saturn in the US

Production model changed to workers having a voice in design and working conditions

Capitalists know that if workers have ownership and involvement they are more productive

Alienation of your labor still takes place and exploitation still exists

Tools and methods are there for the workers to take to the next mode of production

Google is a big exploiter with their 20% time and salary methods as the mode of production is the same

Free software can be easily changed into a different mode of production

25:33 A new serious of discussions?

We hit the philosophy discussion and see a future for it in the show

Free Software could be build a lighter less harsh capitalism, find it slightly progressive, better but not the end goal

Social Democracy and Neoliberalism are two forms of capitalism

If it were not for that “Horse” no wait if it weren’t for free software this show would not likely easily exist

Need to remember that just getting a union is the start, it’s after we have it that the real fight begins

Same for free software, you have it great, but still need to organize to take over the work place and change the mode of production

29:24 Does dead air exist on the internet?

Never happened “ummm”… “ahhh” on the show 😉

Need to return to this discussion

Stephen doesn’t think people think, we are leaders tell people how to think and we cannot be question

They can do what they want by sending emails to mv (at) cyberunions.org

30:45 Take out or out take