Astanna said: Gilneas is in a quite different situation here than Stromgarde is. Stromgarde is trying to annex Alterac: Gilneas was trying to put a puppet onto the throne of Alterac, which doesn't really require a shared border with Alterac. However, annexing and administering part of Alterac, if Alterac is seperated from Stromgarde by Lordaeron territory, is not a very viable option for Stromgarde if Lordaeron opposes it (and Lordaeron did oppose it). We're led to believe Thoras is a master strategist, so he should understand this.



I'm not sure what your second point is saying here. "WoW information contradicts this"-- but it doesn't? WoW tells us that Durnholde exists, and really nothing else about Eastern Hillsbrad. The human territory we'd see in between Alterac Mountains and the sea--Durnholde--was built after the Second War. We know that Lordaeron annexed parts of Alterac after the second war (Strahnbrad, which is seen in the first mission of the Human Campaign of WC3 as a Lordaeron aligned town), so it's not an unreasonable assumpion to assume that Durnholde was built on land also annexed on Alterac-- we know that it was built after the Second War, we know that that land fits perfectly with the idea of an 'Eastern Alterac' that Stromgarde wished to annex, and that land would fit perfectly for giving Alterac it's port and the possibility for a fleet. Besides that: wouldn't it make more sense for Terenas to build a fortress in occupied ruins of enemy territory, than to build a completely new fort in his own lands? It'd manage to serve a double purpose. Click to expand...

It of course makes sense to put someone on throne of kingdom which is far away, but it was mentioned in books that Gilneas is really far away from Alterac, so it should stay out of their business. So, if one statement (Gilneas being far away from Alterac) is incorrect due to outdated maps, why should another one (Stromgarde bordering Alterac and trying to annex parts of it) be correct?Also, there is no mention of Durnholde being built after Second War on Wiki. There is even mention that Aedelas Blackmoore moved headquarters of internment camps from Stormwind to his fortress of Durhnolde, which suggests that it was his family seat, not something built to oversee the camps after Second War. Thrall also spent his whole childhood in Durnholde and Aedelas found him during First War. Also, WoW has greatly reduced map (whole Azeroth is comparable in size to surroundings of my town). So, even though we see only Durnholde, one tower and a farm in Eastern Hillsbrad, there surely is more. Yes, it has no major towns, but there is still other human activity.And once again, proximity of Alterac and Stromgarde is information based on outdated maps and books based on them. Tell me, when book mentions Thoras Trollbane looking from Stromgarde Keep and seeing passes in Alterac Mountains (something you can´t even in WoW), would you believe other geographical information stated there? Yes, Blizzard didn´t retcon those old books (or Tides of Darkness), but in light of known geography, some information just don´t make sense. Just like when Horde teleports over northern Lordaeron multiple times.