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[2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5si300266iom.184.2015.08.13.09.01.35 for <john.podesta@gmail.com> (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jcohenjc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jcohenjc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jcohenjc@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Received: by mail-ig0-x229.google.com with SMTP id j19so39092827igf.1 for <john.podesta@gmail.com>; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:01:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5vTwl4Zn7L/fgm874jBnHTCkKH4DUtOm6nhOTYoVpY0=; b=WJq1d5al+6baDixzjl4xijC2cveoO3nGxa29BYLVierCMAjKn8r2HKF0jNWyBZdVkW ogtw5g2XmkVnsPo0VIRxx4IRq1UiDUvtQfeeuoo3y2d7dhK5zTuwOmxQCI6LrPV0p3Ya 9vkiKfZGGf4VelqItz6LZQE4akHJN8PmhAQSqhVA8HjBY9Rvl13I9I+Z9sdyNQ8pE8wo ceCDlEs72vRbLrntvDGYbUtmrC7c1f6Yfu2Dmjdj5wdzMLx+ciGEKJEiEaTpbEw25Wid uVOOH1rhkdlArkTz/EdDxnsrF/ZrOr7s8TDax96u2+WTm008rK6RzKR1JoZnuILE4nee x+uQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.97.97 with SMTP id dz1mr28027949igb.64.1439481694970; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.134.2 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.134.2 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAE6FiQ9cJA-tT26QguhxM5XMDb+5Oac2dTH4+Vu0ns1orh0Brg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAEPJwTmfHG6Fumh4kiU6DM-VYfbgOC=rU=9tJHhSD+82FxrSXQ@mail.gmail.com> <CAE6FiQ9cJA-tT26QguhxM5XMDb+5Oac2dTH4+Vu0ns1orh0Brg@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 12:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: <CAEPJwTk-b4JGdRtwrKjTi4c0oWVH4UmPv3P9x7Zgg2YuuX+sOQ@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Following-up on the digital counter-insurgency From: Jared Cohen <jcohenjc@gmail.com> To: John Podesta <john.podesta@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ffbae3d170322051d33738a --e89a8ffbae3d170322051d33738a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 John, thanks for getting back to me and after labor day is great! Is there someone in your office I can coordinate with to find a time? On Aug 13, 2015 10:56 AM, "John Podesta" <john.podesta@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey man, I've moved to New York! Or Brooklyn to be more precise. Let's > try to get together, maybe after Labor Day? > > On Thursday, August 13, 2015, Jared Cohen <jcohenjc@gmail.com> wrote: > >> John, >> >> It was great to meet you at the Aspen Strategy Group. Given the short >> amount of time, I feel I did not adequately answer the question you raised >> during my presentation. The question about how government implements the >> digital counter-insurgency is something I have thought a lot about. I >> believe it starts with an understanding of the different technical >> capabilities we need to win this fight and matching each of those >> capabilities with the right arm of government (both in terms of expertise >> and mandate). But a lot of this will be done outside government, which >> means we need to really think about the right incentives for enlisting the >> private sector. The current approach has put the companies on the >> defensive, which means they have not been as willing to proactively help. >> That being said, I have thoughts on how we can separate out the fight >> against ISIS from the other more complex debates around encryption, >> surveillance, etc. >> >> If you are ever in New York, it would be great to continue the >> conversation. >> >> Best, >> Jared >> >> -- >> Jared Cohen | Tel: 917-923-0732 | Twitter: @jaredcohen >> >> My Books: >> The Accidental Presidents (forthcoming) >> The New Digital Age >> <http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Digital-Age-Transforming/dp/030794705X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1393079119&sr=8-1> (Co-authored >> w/Eric Schmidt) >> Children of Jihad >> <http://www.amazon.com/Children-Jihad-Americans-Travels-Middle/dp/1592403999/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393079175&sr=8-1&keywords=children+of+jihad> >> One Hundred Days of Silence: America and the Rwanda Genocide >> <http://www.amazon.com/One-Hundred-Days-Silence-Genocide/dp/0742552373/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393079205&sr=8-1&keywords=One+Hundred+Days+of+Silence> >> >> --e89a8ffbae3d170322051d33738a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <p dir=3D"ltr">John, thanks for getting back to me and after labor day is g= reat! Is there someone in your office I can coordinate with to find a time?= </p> <div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Aug 13, 2015 10:56 AM, "John Podesta&quo= t; <<a href=3D"mailto:john.podesta@gmail.com">john.podesta@gmail.com</a>= > wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style= =3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey man,= I've moved to New York! Or=C2=A0Brooklyn to be more precise.=C2=A0 Let= 's try to get together,=C2=A0maybe after Labor Day?<br><br>On Thursday,= August 13, 2015, Jared Cohen <<a href=3D"mailto:jcohenjc@gmail.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">jcohenjc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm= ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le= ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">John,<div><br></div><div>It was great to meet you = at the Aspen Strategy Group. Given the short amount of time, I feel I did n= ot adequately answer the question you raised during my presentation. The qu= estion about how government implements the digital counter-insurgency is so= mething I have thought a lot about. I believe it starts with an understandi= ng of the different technical capabilities we need to win this fight and ma= tching each of those capabilities with the right arm of government (both in= terms of expertise and mandate). But a lot of this will be done outside go= vernment, which means we need to really think about the right incentives fo= r enlisting the private sector. The current approach has put the companies = on the defensive, which means they have not been as willing to proactively = help. That being said, I have thoughts on how we can separate out the fight= against ISIS from the other more complex debates around encryption, survei= llance, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>If you are ever in New York, it would= be great to continue the conversation.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Best= ,</div><div>Jared<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir=3D"l= tr"><div>Jared Cohen | Tel: <a href=3D"tel:917-923-0732" value=3D"+19179230= 732" target=3D"_blank">917-923-0732</a> | Twitter: @jaredcohen=C2=A0</div><= div><br></div><div>My Books:</div><div>The Accidental Presidents (forthcomi= ng)</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Digital-Age-Transfor= ming/dp/030794705X/ref=3Dtmm_pap_title_0?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1393079119&= ;sr=3D8-1" target=3D"_blank">The New Digital Age</a>=C2=A0(Co-authored w/Er= ic Schmidt)</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/Children-Jihad-Ameri= cans-Travels-Middle/dp/1592403999/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D13930791= 75&sr=3D8-1&keywords=3Dchildren+of+jihad" target=3D"_blank">Childre= n of Jihad</a></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.amazon.com/One-Hundred-Days-= Silence-Genocide/dp/0742552373/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&qid=3D1393079205&= amp;sr=3D8-1&keywords=3DOne+Hundred+Days+of+Silence" target=3D"_blank">= One Hundred Days of Silence: America and the Rwanda Genocide</a><br></div><= div><br></div></div></div> </div></div> </blockquote> </blockquote></div> --e89a8ffbae3d170322051d33738a--