

Disclaimer: You cannot make an optimal environment more optimal. If you have a perfect environment, there is no need for any WP/BW.

Nor will you benefit from BW/WP if your cultural environment is optimal without it. This is a tool, if you are having no issues with pin sets, pinning speed, or humidity, you need not use bubble wrap or wax paper.



So before actually writing this explanation on bubble wrap I made sure it was tested by many cultivators, noobs and veterans, instead of just myself. I've been using it personally for about 4 months, I've thoroughly tested the small and large bubble styles which it comes in, and neither of them showed any real benefit over the other(except it's more fun to pop to bigger bubbles, you know what I mean )

I can say without a doubt, it is proven. It works better than wax paper, allows more light through the to substrate, is less maintenance, it can also be sanitized and reused forever.

The entire concept is quite obviously from the original Wax Paper casing created by Faht, and nurtured by RogerRabbit over the years, I merely improved upon it by experimentation with many materials, and discovering the true magic that is bubble wrap.

I'll make it as concise as possible, but I'll also touch upon the wax paper tek, since there is very little facts known about it as well.



Some things you need to know about bubble wrap casing(these mostly apply to wax paper as well):



Bubble wrap is the perfect material because the bubbles lift the plastic off the substrate, and the natural air channels between each bubble, these air channels keep air moving underneath which wicks water away, allowing for crucial evaporation(a main pinning trigger).

It is also completely translucent, and does not diffuse any light.



The purpose of bubble wrap/wax paper is it maintains a very humid climate directly above the substrates surface thus inducing primordia formation (pinning). When using bubble wrap the pin sets tend to be dramatically more even and full, and they all mature at a closer rate making harvesting easier and giving you more beautiful photos to take with your camera(You better share those photos too ). I'll also add that monotubs do benefit from the wax paper, but not nearly as much as a tray, or other bulk substrate placed into a greenhouse or SGFC. It is especially important to use bubble wrap or wax paper when you're having troubles maintaining proper humidity, slow or no pinning, question the validity of your hygrometer, or have poorly constructed fruiting chambers.



It is to be applied when your substrate is put into fruiting conditions, in monotubs it is to be applied when you insert the polyfil.

Do not hesitate to apply the wax paper or bubble wrap, the sooner you place it on the substrate the better. When you place a substrate into fruiting conditions, you also expose it to open air. Open air is contaminated, no matter where you live, or how clean you think your house is. Mold spores are floating around in the air and will be landing on the bubble wrap or wax paper instead of your substrate. This is why you apply it as early as possible. It not only induces pinning, but acts as a shield(or artificial atmosphere) thus prolonging the life of your substrate.



Lift the bubble wrap to mist and fan as usual, but keep in mind much less misting is necessary when using bubble wrap. I only fan.

(Before you mist, be sure that all of the moisture from the previous misting has completely evaporated off, neglecting to do so can cause bacterial issues and aborted mushrooms)



Wax paper is most effective on uncased substrates. No need to case your substrate and use bubble wrap. Just use bubble wrap.



Bubble wrap and wax paper can induce pinning up to one week sooner than not using it. But keep in mind that many environmental and genetic factors can play a big role in this estimation.



You can sanitize (then rinse) the bubble wrap with 70% iso alcohol before each use. Do not attempt to sanitize wax paper.



Wax paper or bubble wrap can be used AS a fruiting chamber by themselves. No need for a fancy greenhouse, or SGFC (although they have many more applications, and generally provide a better environment). It's quite simple and has been tested by myself and RR as far as I know. Make a bulk substrate tray, or even a large cake, allow it to colonize, etc. Then sit in anywhere you want, I prefer near a window. Drape wax paper or bubble wrap over it so that it is completely covered and there is some excess, you may need to use larger pieces as the mushroom grow taller. That's it. That's a fruiting chamber, or fruiting tent is more accurate. It works quite well might I add.

Here is a picture that proves the concept of 'fruiting tent', this is a picture taken by RR:



These are healthy mushrooms, with no conventional fruiting chamber. Only plastic, doing the same exact thing wax paper and bubble wrap do.

(Note: I forgot to add this in, but you can also place typical BRF cakes into a tray, as many as you can fit, and use the above method with success)



Wax paper on 1/2pint cakes:

I have worked with about 6 other cultivators who were all having problems with their BRF cakes not pinning (an obviously insufficient environment). Some of them had been waiting for pins for 14+ days. I developed an experimental method to help them out, and the results speak for themselves. All 6 of them got pins in 1-4 days after applying the wax paper. Here's how you do it: Using the jars which your cakes colonized in, wrap them loosely in wax paper or bubble wrap.

Use some tape to hold it together. This will form a wax paper cup slightly larger than your cake. The difference in size creates a super humid gap between the cake and the wax paper, this 99% humidity environment induces pinning quickly. Lift the cups to mist and fan as usual. If you're skeptical, just make one cup and use it properly on one cake. You will see that this one cake pins faster and more evenly than the rest.



Do not use wax paper or bubble wrap if you are having an active problem cobweb mold. It can make cobweb mold a little too happy to handle.

(The best treatment of cobweb mold is proper FAE, if you cannot supply enough FAE to remedy the cobweb mold, spray it with h202[peroxide])



You may safely leave the wax paper on all the way to harvest, the mushrooms will lift it up as they grow, but I prefer to remove it once the pin set is established and beginning to grow skyward.













Finally, a quick pictorial:



Here's my favorite bubble wrap but as I've already stated, any size bubbles will work, these are small bubbles:





Use your tub, or tray to trace a rough size in the bubble wrap, then cut it out. This piece will be a little to big and will need trimmed up.





Trim it so it looks like this pic. You do not want your bubble wrap against the sides of the container, you want a 1" gap on all four sides.

In other words make sure the bubble wrap is smaller than your substrate, air needs to travel underneath and cannot do so if there is no gap.







Please feel free to share your experiences with bubble wrap and wax paper in all it's forms.



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Excellent write up!

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Thank you for this, I am going to go BW and polyfil a tub right now! Will edit with pictures.



edit: Would have edited with pictures. Sadly, instead I'm here to say R.I.P., tub. The green meanie took her away. I'm having some horrible contam issues after switching to bags. I'm throwing in the bag towel for now!



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Well not much in the way of experience to have anything to compare my first tub with (apart from cakes) but using the bubble wrap I got pins the very next day which did seem rather a coincidence! Great pin-set now too very excited! Thanks for this Tim!



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Very nice information to know...Just started my fruiting chambers..going out to buy bubble wrap first thing tomorrow. =)

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going out to buy bubble wrap first thing tomorrow. =)

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It's.. happening..

The bubble wrap revolution.



It was foretold in the prophecies for generations.. but I never believed it.

How do you prepare yourself for such an event?

Guns? Supplies? Bomb shelters?



No.



Nothing can save you from the bubble wrap.









Alternate ending:



"OUR WEAPONS ARE USELESS AGAINST THEM!"

(an army of zombies with bubble wrap armor)



"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE USE, THE BUBBLE WRAP CUSHIONS OUR EVERY BLOW."

(These zombies know whats up)



"EVERYONE FALL BACK!!" *pew pew, zip, pew, bang*

(They are flanking you from the rear too, commander.)



Bubble wrap zombies win.







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Awesome man!

Ill give it a try on some species





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Nice write up man, gonna try it on one of my tray in my sgfc, lets seee what happens.



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Can you leave the BW all the on till harvest in a mono?



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In the sense of accuracy, using wax paper or bubble wrap, etc., creates a mini-fruiting chamber just above the substrate. It's not a casing. A casing layer does part of this job, but a casing also holds moisture for the flush.



I've done many trays in open air with no fruiting chamber just by using wax paper. You can even fold it creatively and use on brf cakes. I like the idea of the irregular surface of bubble wrap, and this is why we wrinkle up the wax paper first. I would worry about the plastic though and its effect on the tops of the fruits as they push it out of the way. Just be careful and lift it often to fan.

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So would it be benefical to use bubble wrap on all subs, whether its cakes or a bulk tray in a GH/SGFC or just a mono?



Are you suggesting it would be beneficial under any circumstance to use bubblewrap tek?



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That is correct



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Awesome man!

Ill give it a try on some species







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Can you leave the BW all the on till harvest in a mono?





Yes, be sure to supply enough FAE, but as I stated earlier, I like to remove it once the pin set is established.



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so u can do this for cyans without 50/50?





I doubt it, although I am willing to test this out and post back the results.

Just give me a few weeks to mature some spawn.



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I would worry about the plastic though and its effect on the tops of the fruits as they push it out of the way. Just be careful and lift it often to fan.

RR





I'll add that to OP, I haven't seen any ill effects but as I stated previously I prefer to remove it once the pin set is matured and beginning to grow upwards rather than leave it on to harvest.



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In the sense of accuracy, using wax paper or bubble wrap, etc., creates a mini-fruiting chamber just above the substrate. It's not a casing. A casing layer does part of this job, but a casing also holds moisture for the flush.

RR





I'm all about accurate, I'll fix the OP.

I'm just coming up short on what to call it, I included a section on 'fruiting tents' but that's only accurate when fruiting without a fruiting chamber and draping a substrate with wax paper/BW.



So maybe something similar to, Bubble wrap atmosphere, layer, habitat, encompassment, conditions, cavity, coat, wraping,

Bubble wrap troposphere?



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So would it be benefical to use bubble wrap on all subs, whether its cakes or a bulk tray in a GH/SGFC or just a mono?

Are you suggesting it would be beneficial under any circumstance to use bubblewrap tek?





I'm confident in saying yes, but in well built monotubs in proper conditions, the benefits will be trivial, you will see much more dramatic effects on trays, cakes, basically anything that's not a properly built monotub. One thing monotubs are good at is supplying a good environment in terms of humidity.



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Pinning induced with wax paper on cakes that had no sign of growth for 9-12 days. Have since increased the perlite to 5 inches and mist more heavily, humidity is much better.







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Why did you just do the sides instead of making a cup and covering the entire thing?







I thought it would work like this and it seems like it did. Maybe I'll try the full cup on the next set of cakes if they are slow.



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i would just crumble up the WP and put it over the top of all the cakes.



leave a 1 in. space between the sides of the tube...



but then again if it aint broke dont fix it.



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thanks Tmethyl!!!! i am going to try the wax paper cups on my cakes when i birth them next week. super stoked now!!!



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I will test this on 1 or 2 of my tubs and leave some without bubble wrap as a control. It will be a while though because the jars were recently nocced. But, I will try to remember to come back to this thread with pics. Thanks for the info faht, tmethyl, and RR.



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I will test this on 1 or 2 of my tubs and leave some without bubble wrap as a control. It will be a while though because the jars were recently nocced. But, I will try to remember to come back to this thread with pics. Thanks for the info faht, tmethyl, and RR.









Just did this with 4 tub's I'm currently fruiting. I have pictures to document the experiment.



ALl bubble wrapped tubs produced larger pinsets that formed faster than the tubs with no bubble wrap.



I did lift BW and fan 4-5x per day.



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Is there any reason not to make bubble wrap cups for cakes instead of wax paper cups?





No, it's the same concept, I'll add that into the OP, I didn't realize I left that out.

Just wrap the jar loosely with bubble wrap, and use a piece of tape to hold it together, place on cakes, and lift to fan as normal.



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Has it been tried and tested putting the bubble wrap on right after spawning to bulk and leaving it on for consolidation as well? I noticed an amazing pinset and yield as a result of trash bag liner excess draping over substrate during colonization. On my next batch of bulk I plan to experiment with some tubs with bubble wrap during consolidation and some only after fruiting and take note of the differences. Just wondering if anyone else has tried this and if not why it's not recommended.



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Has it been tried and tested putting the bubble wrap on right after spawning to bulk and leaving it on for consolidation as well? I noticed an amazing pinset and yield as a result of trash bag liner excess draping over substrate during colonization.





Yes I remember that. Due to your accidental discovery I have one 1 tub right now which was bubble wrapped right after spawning to bulk, I'll let you know how it goes.



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Has it been tried and tested putting the bubble wrap on right after spawning to bulk and leaving it on for consolidation as well? I noticed an amazing pinset and yield as a result of trash bag liner excess draping over substrate during colonization.





Yes I remember that. Due to your accidental discovery I have one 1 tub right now which was bubble wrapped right after spawning to bulk, I'll let you know how it goes.











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Yes I remember that. Due to your accidental discovery I have one 1 tub right now which was bubble wrapped right after spawning to bulk, I'll let you know how it goes.









I'm not sure how this would have a negative or beneficial effect either way? Humidity/CO2 levels above the sub would remain the same considering we colonize bulk tubs/trays within sealed containers, so an additional layer above the sub would not effect humidity/CO2 levels drastically enough to effect the myc's performance. So in my opinion, you will not see an effect.



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Yes I remember that. Due to your accidental discovery I have one 1 tub right now which was bubble wrapped right after spawning to bulk, I'll let you know how it goes.









I'm not sure how this would have a negative or beneficial effect either way? Humidity/CO2 levels above the sub would remain the same considering we colonize bulk tubs/trays within sealed containers, so an additional layer above the sub would not effect humidity/CO2 levels drastically enough to effect the myc's performance. So in my opinion, you will not see an effect.



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I like this idea, wax paper always had too many flat spots unless you crumble it in a ball first even then it would absorb water in the cracks and flaten out again.

I plan on trying this on my next tub that ill be filling with spawn and sub tomorrow.



any suggestions on where to buy some though?

can't recall ever seeing it forsale in a store.



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Oh wow, did not realize it effected the tub's pinset that significantly. Here's the thing- I think you guys are really on to something. I literally remeber a thread- and this is actually what I was thinking you were refering to before you posted these ^ pics, anyways the thread I'm talking about showed some guy's mono, and it had an incredible pinset in only one corner, and that one corner was drapped with black trashbag lining during colonization, but cut back after introducing to fruiting conditions. Who knows? maybe the same effect you guys are after.



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I hadn't been lifting the bubble wrap while fanning. Today I did lift it and found the entire sheet of bubble wrap was basically floating in a pool of condensation on the substrate's surface. Way, way too much water. My sub was on the dryer side of field capacity going in, too.



I'm going to leave the bubble wrap off over night. Tomorrow I'll replace it and make sure to lift it for frequent fannings until the condensation issues alleviate.



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Just wanted to report I appear to be experincing the SAME pinning effect as DeadPhans.



The are's of my tub that had a small overlay of the tub's trash lining while incubating seem to be pinning faster than any other region. Check it out:













Same Effect? IDK, but would you go ahead and remove bubble wrap from these tubs yet, or would you suggest leaving it on for awhile?



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So you're saying,



I can do this







Take 2 spawn jars to pasteurized coir, in these trays, with some bubble wrap or wax paper laid over them.



So I need to wrap in tinfoil until i fruit them? then put the bubble wrap on?



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I can do this







Take 2 spawn jars to pasteurized coir, in these trays, with some bubble wrap or wax paper laid over them.



So I need to wrap in tinfoil until i fruit them? then put the bubble wrap on?





Where did foil come from?









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So is anyone actually trying a grow of colonization with BW on from the beginning?

If not I'll start one in a few weeks and keep you guys updated.

I'm doing some mini tray grows just for shroomery as of right now.



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So is anyone actually trying a grow of colonization with BW on from the beginning?

If not I'll start one in a few weeks and keep you guys updated.

I'm doing some mini tray grows just for shroomery as of right now.







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Sweet, very interested to see the effect.

Once I have some extra spawn ill start one too just for more trial runs, Ill also start one with slants as well.



But I don't believe the slants will have to great of an impact as all they do is create a tiny micro climate in the substrate itself.



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I've fully tested and I disapprove of the slat tek. It's quite a bit of pointless effort. It looked like an awesome idea when I first read it.





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And what were your findings?





Improved pinsets or normal pinsets that you could acquire without BW during colonization?



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So is anyone actually trying a grow of colonization with BW on from the beginning?







yup. I've already fruited 2 tubs. I put the BW on right after I mix the spawn in and leave it there until pins start to lift it. I tried leaving it on longer with one tub but got lots of rotting.







Pics?



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So is anyone actually trying a grow of colonization with BW on from the beginning?







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I have 6 trays goin right now



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I will test this on some other species, im sure if it worked it would be helpful to other fruitings...





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CAn you apply the bubble wrap after your tub is already

in colonization for 4 days ?



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It is to be applied when your substrate is put into fruiting conditions, in monotubs it is to be applied when you insert the polyfil.

Do not hesitate to apply the wax paper or bubble wrap, the sooner you place it on the substrate the better.



Tymethyl



1.Problem the lid has to be opened --> Co2 exchange

2.-The surface of the top layer is a little dry ->Problem ?



Why do you have to clean the BW with alcohol ?

If I remember right sgfcchamber once wrote:



" I could take a shit

on my pasteurized substrate and nuthins gonna happen"



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And what were your findings?





Improved pinsets or normal pinsets that you could acquire without BW during colonization?





Much more even pinsets with MS.



No pics. I just trashed one of them and one I'm about to dunk for the second flush. I have three more colonizing, so I'll get pics when they pin.







MS?



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Can this be done with foil? It was all i had and i draped foil folded so it had air flow underneath of it, over top of a 4 qt tub dumped out like a cake onto the lid.



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Foil doesn't allow light through but it will maintain a similar environment.

It will work a little. I don't recommend it.



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Timethyl!



I have just constructed a stealth closet fruiting chamber. As convoluted as that sounds i think i've all systems in place i just need advice on my timers and the casing option. Maybe your bubblewrap idear is the solution for me TODAY without having to mix and pasteurize casing layer for the first time....



My bulk subs (hpoo/straw/verm/gypsum that order) (inoculated with Rye 1:2, strain is believed to be clone from AA+) were left in 2 inch deep baking trays (as per RR video) for 7 days under foil in a cabinet, when fully colonized i put them in into my chamber. It's only been day 3 today but i'm just nervous as all get out.



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Do I pop the bubbles or leave them be? (I really want to pop them)



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NO BUBBLE POPPING





Feint of heart and weak stomached, avert your eyes.

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My girl has been gone all day with the device with the image files, ugh.



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so who retails bubble wrap?



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Walmart. Post office or any pack and ship business including UPS.

Its not hard to find.



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What other things might we find in your basement?

Perhaps some goats, blue cheese, low fat mayo, and leather whips?

Always knew you were a closet masochist.







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Gonna try this REAL soon. Have shit-tons of bubble-wrap.



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Don't forget the ancient prehistoric polyfill Hacker.

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NEW ACRONYMS: BW, Bubble Wrap - WP, Wax Paper







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MS = Multispore







Cool, im doing my first bulk from a spore syringe which is MS right? So this should help me get a healthy pinset.. do you have any pics to upload for us?



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MS = Multispore







Cool, im doing my first bulk from a spore syringe which is MS right? So this should help me get a healthy pinset.. do you have any pics to upload for us?







Yes, that spore syringe you had was likely filled with hundreds of thousands of spores. Did you inoculate grain jars?



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MS = Multispore







Cool, im doing my first bulk from a spore syringe which is MS right? So this should help me get a healthy pinset.. do you have any pics to upload for us?







Yes, that spore syringe you had was likely filled with hundreds of thousands of spores. Did you inoculate grain jars?







Pre sterilized rye berries in a bag from outgrow. Will be doing a monotub with the 5050 coir tek and a bit of gypsum. Not sure how much gypsum though. Anyone have an idea? Or other additives to help yield.. preferably something i wont have to PC because i dont have one just yet.



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Timmy i got my FC thread up



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PE bubble love



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PE bubble love



If that isnt POTM idk what is





I think I see some bubble wrap.. the sun and some planets orbiting it.. three midgets wearing bikini's, and what appears to be a mushroom substrate.

But I could be wrong.





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PE bubble love



If that isnt POTM idk what is





I think I see some bubble wrap.. the sun and some planets orbiting it.. three midgets wearing bikini's, and what appears to be a mushroom substrate.

But I could be wrong.











Also an owl at 9 o clock.... having a problem finding that third midget.



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Good eyes! I see the owl too.

But do you see the bag of Cheetos?







i thought it was a raven...



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looks like a nursery of sorts. pin baby pin



I like that it keeps the condensation down low, not on the underside of the lid, for easier viewing.



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I used BW for the first time on a micro bulk last week, and I'm in love. I never get around to using all the left over bubble wrap that comes in packages, and now have anohter way to reuse something I'd rather not throw away. This tek is one of those little advancements that really makes a big difference. I'm a fan of wax paper, and have been for a while, but I'm a convert to BW!



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That looks awesome! I can't wait to give this and the grain soak a try. Two new ideas which appear to have a lot of merit!



Please keep us posted with pics. I'm totally addicted to pin porn, and I'm thinking BW could result in some EPIC pin-sets...



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Want to try this soon, have been having an immense amount of trouble fruiting Mexicanas and galindois in trays...the galindois do nothing and the mexicanas take approx 5-6 weeks to start pinning and it's dismal at that.



Does anyone know if BW could help with these tough to fruit species



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It simply maintains an optimal fruiting environment at the substrates surface thus inducing primordia/pin formation.

It will help immensely with any and every tropical and subtropical species (even some temperate species)



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YO timdeddy I have pins on 3 of my bulk subs now



the two that aren't pinning still aren't fully colonized (i have learned a lesson)think some B-wrap would help them wrap up and move on to some pins? Otherwise they will find themselves in the ol' compost pile sooner than later. About to put 20 cakes out of a fresh dunk and pick some more out of teh clean space.



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YO timdeddy I have pins on 3 of my bulk subs now



the two that aren't pinning still aren't fully colonized (i have learned a lesson)think some B-wrap would help them wrap up and move on to some pins? Otherwise they will find themselves in the ol' compost pile sooner than later. About to put 20 cakes out of a fresh dunk and pick some more out of teh clean space.









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I had a question about using the wax paper as a standalone fruiting tent.

this is my first grow but I have been reading a lot before the time actually comes for fruiting and I'm just trying to get as much info as i can.

I have 2 BRF cakes that are nearing 100% and was curious if it would still be necessary to dunk and roll if using the wax paper alone over the cakes for the fruiting process.



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Alright thank you





I am definitely excited to see how it goes.



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Really grateful and psyched at this accident of mine possibly revolutionizing and introducing a new technique of cultivation. Thanks to tmythel for recognizing this and making a tek about it. With that I just mixed up a tub with the bubble wrap on. Do you think it matters that I have it bigger than the surface area. My bubble wrap goes up the side walls of the tub. I saw a couple posts where people cut it to size just short of the surface area. I don't really foresee how this could be better for the uncovered areas around the perimeter. Just wondering if anyone has any insight on why it might be. Very excited to see the results of this new method. Surprised it hasn't been tried before either. I'm all



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You do not want the bubble wrap as big or bigger than your substrate.

You want at least a 1" gap on all four sides this means if your substrate is 10"x10"

You want a piece of bubble wrap about 8"x8" (4inch total loss =1" per side)



And for the record your mistake of letting your liner lay on your substrate thus producing an amazing pin set resulted in the experimental technique of applying bubble wrap on substrate when spawning or before full colonization, the actual bubble wrap tek has been being tested for around 4months before I wrote the tek for it. It was one if many materials I had been working on to advance the wax paper tek. It's not a direct result of anyone else's idea other than the creator of the waxpaper tek.





I like to think if it as a community effort since all of us are helping each other and sharing knowledge.



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Right on. I was unaware that you had been toying with this before. So your saying you we're intrigued by the idea of laying bubble wrap down right after spawning? I'm actually wondering and want to try throwing straight up garbage bag plastic liner flat on my sub after spawning as an experiment as that is actually how I got that pinset really. And I'm not trying to take credit. As you said its a community effort. Someone wrote recently about a new cultivation technique they stumbled upon and with that said. It's the little things. So yea. I could give two shits about taking credit. But. I'm glad and hope for the best as far as this tek goes. I'm still wondering why covering the whole substrate would be bad. As my initial mistake was the sub being covered at the sides. I guess I'll go trim it a bit. Or ride it out n see. And my next tub I think I might try straight up garbage bag liner. Maybe we are overlooking the necessity for airflow during colonization. Is it not possible that suffocating that bitch allowing co2 buildup might be key to quicker colonization and pinsets?



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Got some bubble wrap on one of my cakes in the greenhouse right now.



Got 2 pins currently.



Only complaint so far is pooling water from my cool mist building up on top of the bubble wrap.



Have 8 more colonizing and awaiting more bubble wrap!



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Nice avatar. ;p



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I thought I had the same. But it's my Facebook avatar



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Only complaint so far is pooling water from my cool mist building up on top of the bubble wrap.







The bubble wrap is saving your substrate from over saturation, aborted mushrooms, and possible bacterial contamination, and that's a complaint?





If water is building up heavily on the bubble wrap you're cool mist is running too long or too often, it should be evaporating, then rehydrating, this cycle is a main pinning trigger.



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The bubble wrap is saving your substrate from over saturation, aborted mushrooms, and possible bacterial contamination, and that's a complaint?





If water is building up heavily on the bubble wrap you're cool mist is running too long or too often, it should be evaporating, then rehydrating, this cycle is a main pinning trigger.







Not so much a complaint, but it got an answer I was looking for



I have been kinda concerned about my cool mist running too often. Currently its set to run for 15 minutes on, 30 minutes off, and I have a 92mm server fan at the top left of my greenhouse for exhaust and another mounted at the bottom right for intake to automate FAE. These fans have a rating of around 300CFM. I know its overkill, but I was not getting much FAE prior to that. They come on for 40 seconds every 30 minutes.



Before installing the fans, the cool mist was running for 15 minutes on, 1 hour off.



The water isn't pooling up a whole lot, but it gave me the idea that the humidifier may be running too often. Thinking about getting a ZooMed Hygrotherm.



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Check out my latest test:





These PE tubs were placed in exact same conditions, same spawn time, same sub and spawn materials.



No bubblewrap:







Bubblewrap: (it's PE blobs)





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Check out my latest test:





These PE tubs were placed in exact same conditions, same spawn time, same sub and spawn materials.



No bubblewrap:







Bubblewrap: (it's PE blobs)









Interesting

Was this with BW on from the begging of colonization or once you put the tubs into fruiting conditions?



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That bottom tub was bubblewrapped at fruiting, I have others which are still in progress which were BW'ed at spawn.









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Hahah alright I figured but I was making sure, I'm extremely anxious for the colonization results

I've been watching this post daily for them



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I woke up to a dozen pins this morning! I will let them develope into something photographable and post an update soon.



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First off, I am LOVING the implications of this new tek! Thank you to ALL involved



Next, I have a question about this:



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(Note: I forgot to add this in, but you can also place typical BRF cakes into a tray, as many as you can fit, and use the above method with success)







I am about to knock up BRF cakes with PF standard with the intention of putting them in a PMP (this is my first grow). Would it be better to run with this? I think I will only be able to fit 7 cakes in my PMP, and I will have enough MS for 10 cakes... What would be the procedure (for a noob) to go with the tray and BW?



All the advice I keep reading is K.I.S.S., and a tray with BW seems a lot simpler than a PMP.



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I thought I had the same. But it's my Facebook avatar





lol, I used to have the shirt of it.. until it fell apart...







And to dude above me, what does K.I.S.S. have to do with anything? cubes are cubes and that one is a particularly high yielder. heard its a fun strain to grow though and potent... heard..



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And to dude above me, what does K.I.S.S. have to do with anything?







IDK, I just keep reading: start at the beginning, don't try to innovate, go through the paces, etc, etc. I'm just condensing a lot of repetitive advice into a cliche.



And I'm hoping you're right about PF! I thought it would be an appropriate tribute to Mr. F to go with PF on my first PF Tek.



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NEW ACRONYMS: BW, Bubble Wrap - WP, Wax Paper







So, is big bubble wrap BBW then?







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NEW ACRONYMS: BW, Bubble Wrap - WP, Wax Paper







So, is big bubble wrap BBW then?







Search for the term "BBW" in google.











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Not super impressive, but my first <3



Few hours later. I think I know someone who is transcending space and time next week!





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OK...so I'm jumping on the bandwagon with one of my shoe-box sized mini-tubs. Here is my fully colonized tub, and a pic with it outfitted with small format bubble-wrap.











I'll keep ya posted!



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Nope, but I plan to. I'll post results here.



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Without.

I've grown Cyans without a casing before, but it's not impressive.

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Whats hiding under this bible wrap?







Oh shit bitch that's what is under it!







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thats gonna be alot of fun for sure very nice.



im gonna wanna see that thing in 24 hours keep us updated



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was this bw placed on sub before or after full colonization?



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was this bw placed on sub before or after full colonization?







After 100%



Are people doing it before 100%?? How would I even view my substrate colonization progress that way without opening the tub.



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was this bw placed on sub before or after full colonization?







After 100%



Are people doing it before 100%?? How would I even view my substrate colonization progress that way without opening the tub.







i am as my initial findings of this method being super beneficial precursor to fruiting occured from my liner draping over my substrate and colonizing the sub in that area alot denser, quicker, and pinned massivly and earlier in those areas. id imagine with a flashlight, one could slightly decipher. that or just realy give it a bit after the sides and bottom are fully colonized. or, just wait for pins. ill proly go with the third maybe. well see. i also plan to experiment with straight up plastic liner covering the substrate with no airflow between the bubbles. i wonder if suffocating the top of the sub in that manner might do something good. such as trap co2 in such high levels to where it colonizes faster. consdering the results of the liner draping i imagine its possible. unless the fact that there was air possibly getting in under from the edges of the liner helping with a lil air. but i doubt it considering that shit was basically stuck to the sub.





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Well I trap my co2 in with the lid.

Since it has a lid hardly any air flow gets in and since the c02 is heavy it just sits on the bottom.

Once I start FAE via poly fill or fanning I am now reducing my humidity.



But since I can put on the bubble wrap that creates a micro climate at the surface at my substrate during fruiting.



And its bad ass.



Thank god for this thread.



I never read it I just knew the benefits I could reap from this bubble wrap. Wish I knew about it a long time ago.



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Oh and all this talk about light helping mushrooms grow is a bunch of hogwash as far as I am concerned.



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Then explain my success for 5 years.



co2 levels is the number 1 thing that prevents shrooms from fruiting.



Mushrooms can not tell air is fresh, they can only tell what is in the air touching it.



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So, is big bubble wrap BBW then?







Search for the term "BBW" in google.





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LOL.



I'm going to be spawning two new tubs in a couple days i will do one bubble wrapped one not. Should i case the non BW'd tub or just freeball? Basically compare BW to casing or BW to uncased?



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So then why did everyone get this idea to have the bubble wrap on the substrate during colonization.



Makes no sense to me.



The humidity should reach 99% id think by 24 hours after spawning.



So while colonizing it should have 0 effect unless the tubs lid sucks.







These are what I used. I wanted 65 court tubs but I settled for the 56.



The lids are not clear, now for most people they would think of the insane importance of light, which used to be considered not important at all only a few years ago. Now all the sudden it is considered very important



Mushrooms are more related to animals the they are plants. The only thing that separates them from animals is that they lack the typical characteristics of animals.



Mushrooms do not have chlorophyll needed to use photosynthesis. They do not harness the power of the sun like plants. However they can feel light radiation as a 2ndary pinning trigger. It lets them know they reached the surface, as does fresh air.



Since the mushrooms are made of mycelium they can feel the light and it guides them in the direction they should grow.



Notice the angles my mushrooms are growing. It is the direction they think is up because its the direction the majority of light is coming from.



See in nature most spores get eaten by cows because cows eat grass and spores land on them.



The cows stomach is low in acidity which is why cows have more then some stomach and why they swallow and vomit up their food ad re swallow it again. Its why cows chew so damn much.



In the stomach the spores germinate and start growing by the time its pooped out.



The mycelium colonies the substrate till it reaches the surface and then begins fruiting.



And now you know the basics.



People need to know why our fruiting triggers are fruiting triggers. Without knowing why these things are the triggers its much harder to understand issues you run into growing.



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I'm going to be spawning two new tubs in a couple days i will do one bubble wrapped one not. Should i case the non BW'd tub or just freeball? Basically compare BW to casing or BW to uncased?







Well for a proper comparision I would not case.



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No they do grow in the direction of light.



Grow them in total darkness.



They will weave and intertwined into each other. They thicken up to counter gravity when they feel force of gravity to counter it. A grow done in total darkness is very hard to pick your fruits. It is inevitable to pic them without tearing up your substrate.



There are people on here who have grown under their bed and put objections to block view from them in their college dorm rooms, very bad idea btw.



The end results of their mini casings always tended to be twisted up messes.



I know its true because I have first hand experience and so have other on here.



I grew a big green house grow in a closet back in the day and I normally would leave the sides of the closet open so that way some light would get in.



All the shrooms would always be leaning toward the sides of the closet that were open. Nearly every single one besides the weird curly ones.



But I kept closing it and forgetting to open it. What happened? Twisted up mess in all 24 of my 1' by 1' dish washing tubs.



Yield was still decent but it was a nightmare to harvest. I just started ripping them out. the 2nd flush suffers.



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I am gonna need some sighted reputable sources to believe mushrooms get energy from light.



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3 Times the weight? I dunno about that, my yields are typically insane already and I just use the light that comes in through the window through my closed blinds.



Or light that just made it in through closet doors cracked open about 2 inches one each side.



RR knows a lot of things but for him to say they do not grow towards light just does not make sense to me. If they do not grow towards light, why when my closet doors are slightly cracked do all the shrooms grow toward the crack.



The green house on the left would all grow towards the left crack and the green house on the rite would all grow towards the rite crack.



It was consistent to. Each and every grow.



I wish I did not get paranoid and delete all my pics a few years back but believe me I had good reason to.



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I have also noticed that they will lean with the caps towards the light. I've had trays on windowsills lean toward the window a lot. Not sure on them drawing energy from the light but i think it's possible, and i do believe strong light will initiate a better pinset than weaker light. Another thing i've noticed, if i put a CFL bulb right in the tubs they tend to be fatter and stockier than if i just use a cieling light. Distant light makes them longer and skinnier.



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Do not put your lights in the tub.



It can be a electrical / fire hazard. Water + electronics can be dangerous.



If is for your physical safety.



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oh yes i've had bulbs pop from what i assume was being hit with water mist. I leave the lid open tho and don't mist when the lights in there now. That is good advice tho, no matter how ignorant i am.



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Its not misting I mean yea that can do it to.



But humidity is the source of condensation and it can occur on your bulb and air can get into the electronics causing condensation rite on them.



it is not a safe practice.



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If air did not have any humidity in it then there would be no water to condensate.



It is from the humidity in the room. If there was no moisture in the air there would be no water to condensate on the beer.



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The higher the humidity the more moisture will be available to condense.



What is important here is its a bad idea to put electronics were condensation may form on them and burn your house down and kill you.



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So you think putting a light on the inside of a fruiting chamber is a good idea?



Well everyone knock yourselves out.



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Yea my windows fog up a lot easier when I am boiling water on my stove too.



I wonder what that is about. Maybe it is because I am raising the humidity in my kitchen.



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So you give it light by opening the tub and hovering the light over it?



hows that low humidity doing for your yields?



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So you give it light by opening the tub and hovering the light over it?



hows that low humidity doing for your yields?





It works just fine. This is an old pic from '08 when i started doing this. Multispore, btw.







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Well first of all boiling water puts so much water out that it is 100% instead of 99% because the vapor you can see is visible because its pure water that you are seeing.



2nd of all, if there is already condensation on the window lightly and you put a humidifier in the room there will be MORE condensation forming on the window at a quicker rate.



I made oatmeal a moment ago. I could not even see through the windows. Now that the air in the kitchen has had time to even out through the house, most of that moisture is gone form my window I can see out of it now, not all of it bust most.



The humidity in my house dropped so now the air in my house can hold more moisture so some of the moisture was absorbed from the window back into my air. Its only getting colder outside.



You know how rain works rite?



The air can hold 99% once it hits 100% you start to get condensation rite in the air and it rains.



That is why you are more likely to get rain at night. It cools the air and now the air can not hold as much moisture so it has no were to go but into heavy droplets that fall.



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So you give it light by opening the tub and hovering the light over it?



hows that low humidity doing for your yields?





It works just fine. This is an old pic from '08 when i started doing this. Multispore, btw.













What is the Polly fill for if the lid is just off?



You should put a RH meeter in there and one in your room. They will most likely match their readings.



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The polyfill was to keep humidity in while the light wasn't in the tub. usually lid was on for 12 hours. I'd mist the tub frequently, like someone would mist a sgfc.



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Well that is something knew. Seems interesting now.



Were did you get a crazy idea like this from?



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what's so crazy about it? Initially i was just too lazy to carve a hole into the lid for light, and plus i wanted to see how the lamp would do if it was literally a few inches from the substrate blocki. The lamp used on that last pic bent like an elbow, i would raise it as they grew.



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Yea but while it was open your humidity would drop to your houses humidity. During that time it would not be beneficial.



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didn't seem to have a negative effect either. I misted it, even just poured water on it on a frequent basis while tub was open. The lid wasn't completely off either, it was cracked open a couple inches.



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Well the mushrooms appear very large and few so your pin set was far from optimal, at least that is how it appears.



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I was dissapointed when i saw the pinset, it looked like this.





then











This was the final yield on just the first flush. It was an 18 gallon monotub, using 9 pints of spawn, yet it yielded over a half pound cracker dry.





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Well first of all boiling water puts so much water out that it is 100% instead of 99% because the vapor you can see is visible because its pure water that you are seeing.



2nd of all, if there is already condensation on the window lightly and you put a humidifier in the room there will be MORE condensation forming on the window at a quicker rate.



I made oatmeal a moment ago. I could not even see through the windows. Now that the air in the kitchen has had time to even out through the house, most of that moisture is gone form my window I can see out of it now, not all of it bust most.



The humidity in my house dropped so now the air in my house can hold more moisture so some of the moisture was absorbed from the window back into my air. Its only getting colder outside.



You know how rain works rite?



The air can hold 99% once it hits 100% you start to get condensation rite in the air and it rains.



That is why you are more likely to get rain at night. It cools the air and now the air can not hold as much moisture so it has no were to go but into heavy droplets that fall.







Sorry dude, but I tried really hard to find one single accurate statement in all that and was unable to do so.

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RR fill a balloon with air. Cool the balloon.

The diameter of the balloon will shrink.

Cooler air can hold less moisture then warmer air.

Why do you think when you wake up in the early morning their is moisture on the ground?



There will be condensation all over the grass in the morning.



That particular condensation is not there because the ground is colder.



This is the same reason why on cold winter days you get up in the morning to leave and there is ice all over your car. It is condensation.



It is not there because your car is colder then the air.



The only thing I can think you all must have thought this time must have been it happens because the ground and your car must have been colder then the air by your guyses logic here.



That or magic.



Things expand and contract as they heat and cool, this is why bridges we drive on are in sections with gaps, so they have room to expand.



The air expands and contracts as it heats and cools also.



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http://kids.discovery.com/tell-m e/curiosity-corner/weather/why-do es-it-rain



Here we go. If kids can understand this so can you.... RR lol



If it was not for the COOLING of the air we would not have the magic of clouds and rain.





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One more thing to add would be this.



Lets say you have a sealed chamber at 99% humidity and you cool the chamber 1 degree. Now you have condensation.



Now lets say you have a sealed chamber at 80% humidity and you cool it one degree. You will not get condensation you will only get a raise in humidity. Lets say it went up to 85% but you would not get condensation.



This is why humidity is the source of condensation.



We are making chambers with high humidity so smaller temperature differentials are going to cause condensation easier.



Since our chambers are aimed to be 99% it only takes 1 degree temperature difference outside the tub to cause condensation.



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The only point that I was trying to make originally was that he should not have a light inside his fc.



Now what matters is bubble wrap again.



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Very well done Apprentice.

I think that about sums it up, no need for fruiting chambers



Also, do the stems of your mushrooms looks whiter than normal to you?

I have seldom seen such white stems... hmm

Beautiful!









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Very well done Apprentice.

I think that about sums it up, no need for fruiting chambers



Also, do the stems of your mushrooms looks whiter than normal to you?

I have seldom seen such white stems... hmm

Beautiful!









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First off, Thank you for the inspiration to do this





And OJ is "most pulp" so its good for you too! lol just got broken up with today so i'm drinkin.



And as far as the stems go.



This is one of my tubs last week





I have pretty mushrooms.



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Got them from a trade, never got a chance to mess with them, so I passed them on.





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yes many times whith cubes. i even broke it open hoping for blue.



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Finally back on topic. Every time I saw a new post in this threat for past couple days was I was hoping to see bw related material. To no avail. On that not I'm 7 days into a tub with bw applied immediately after spawning. Sooner or later I shall post results. I'm loving bw as a new acronym. How bout a bw emoticon?



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This one method over the other notion is debateable. As its in the works to see if putting on just after spawning is beneficial. If you read this whole thread you will find where I had an accident of liner laying on my sub since spawn and making those area colonize more, quicker and producing more pins overall. It's fine to put bw on after fruit but some as well as myself are experimenting with putting on right after spawn to see if it might prove a breakthrough in cultivation method. All I know is that garbage bag liner did wonders for the areas it draped over. I'd like to think over the whole substrate will prove as much a good result



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How much is a lot of misting?



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Use some tape to hold it together. This will form a wax paper cup slightly larger than your cake. The difference in size creates a super humid gap between the cake and the wax paper, this 99% humidity environment induces pinning quickly. Lift the cups to mist and fan as usual. If you're skeptical, just make one cup and use it properly on one cake. You will see that this one cake pins faster and more evenly than the rest.







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I mist about every time I think of it when I'm home. They don't care. every hour if u wanted lol.



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Still lift to fan and mist. Exact same concept as wax paper on a bulk.

No suffocation, increases pinning speed.



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