“We can lie and get away with it until we get caught,” the chairman added.

Commissioner Bob Ellis on Wednesday proposed lowering the amount that commissioners can spend for travel and training each year back to $13,000 — the amount it was a year ago before commissioners raised the limit to $50,000.

Fulton County Commissioner Bob Ellis voted against the county’s 2019 budget. (ALYSSA POINTER/ALYSSA.POINTER@AJC.COM) AJC FILE PHOTO

“There becomes an issue of public trust where at a certain point in time, are you really using these funds to carry out the duties of your job or use this to sort of engage in potential campaign activities,” Ellis said. “So there’s a fine line there, and I think there’s a reason why many governments have kept those expenditure caps very low to avoid any appearance of impropriety.”

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Ellis called out some individual expenditures, like Commissioner Natalie Hall's trip to Los Angeles. Hall said she was in L.A. doing research because on the possibility of a Grammy museum in her district, but the county agreed six months before that trip to do a feasibility study for the museum.

Hall also attended a red carpet event for the Bounce Trumpet Awards while she was there, saying Wednesday that she wanted to “maximize” her trip.

Fulton County Commissioner Natalie Hall proposed an increase to the county’s travel budget. BOB ANDRES /BANDRES@AJC.COM AJC FILE PHOTO

Maximum raised last year after brief discussion

In January 2019, Hall proposed increasing maximum spending from $13,000 to $39,000 per board member.

But Commissioner Marvin Arrington suggested the $50,000, saying that would be more appropriate to train themselves and staff. And after less than 10 minutes of discussion, commissioners tripled their own spending levels by a 4-2 vote.

The Fulton travel and training budget per commissioner is greater than some whole county commissioner budget lines. As previously reported by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: Clayton budgeted $67,000 for commissioners in 2018; Cobb allocated $50,500; and Gwinnett allowed $41,985 for commissioner travel and training in 2017.

Fulton County Commissioner Marvin S. Arrington has set up meetings with his constituents in District 5 to continue what he calls “District Dialogues.” This month’s topic is the 2019 Fulton County tax assessments. CONTRIBUTED

Hall said Wednesday that at the time of the vote she hadn’t been on the Board as long as Arrington, but now she wants the number at $30,000. The whole process was paused because of a parliamentary issue raised by Arrington.

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Pitts said the issue will be back at the next meeting and hopefully they can get a transparent process in place. “I still think it’s too loosey-goosey,” he said.

For instance, Fulton’s Chief Financial Officer Sharon Whitmore said the limit for p-cards single purchases is $2,499.99. When Arrington pointed out that there were expenditures above that limit, Whitmore responded: “We’ll go back and look at that.”

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