



Wording on Watcher's Eye:

Gain 14% of Maximum Mana as Extra Maximum Energy Shield while affected by Clarity



Wording on Sanctuary of Thought (Hierophant Keystone):

Gain 30% of Maximum Mana as Extra Maximum Energy Shield



The wording is exactly the same (apart from the "while affected by Clarity" dependency), but the seem to be calculated differently.

According to OpenArl (for Path of Building) the Watcher's Eye mod uses the same calculation as e.g. Hierophant node.

Ingame, I get a different value than Path of Building!







Issue for PoB: https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/issues/759

Comment History:

" daish0



For example, my character has 1,381 total Mana.

I have a Watcher's Eye with 14% Mana gained as ES.



Without the Mod I have 6,638 ES and when adding 193 flat ES (1381 x 0,14) I get exactly 7,500 total ES (which is correctly done in game), in Path of Building though I get 7,338 ES for whatever reason. The mod appears blue and seems to be supported (works when Clarity is switched on and off), although calculated flat ES value is wrong and doesn't appear in the "Calcs" tab as Base in the "Energy Shield" box.For example, my character has 1,381 total Mana.I have a Watcher's Eye with 14% Mana gained as ES.Without the Mod I have 6,638 ES and when adding 193 flat ES (1381 x 0,14) I get exactly 7,500 total ES (which is correctly done in game), in Path of Building though I get 7,338 ES for whatever reason.

" Openarl As far as I can tell the modifier appears to be working correctly; I will need a pastebin link of the build, or a character to import.

" daish0



here's my PasteBin: https://pastebin.com/vebApWEU



I added the mods of Watcher's Eye to my Quicksilver Flask in Flask Slot 5, as I had to fill one passive Tree Jewel slot with the Jewels from the unique Stygian Belt.



Just add the ! exclamation mark before the flat ES roll on the Quicksilver and remove the one before the Mana as ES mod to enable it. Hi,here's my PasteBin: https://pastebin.com/vebApWEUI added the mods of Watcher's Eye to my Quicksilver Flask in Flask Slot 5, as I had to fill one passive Tree Jewel slot with the Jewels from the unique Stygian Belt.Just add the ! exclamation mark before the flat ES roll on the Quicksilver and remove the one before the Mana as ES mod to enable it.

" Openarl



The modifier on Watcher's Eye is worded exactly like a conversion (and the program automatically detects and handles it as such), and it should therefore follow the standard conversion calculation process.



That process works quite differently from the calculation that you came up with (1381 x 0.14); what should actually occur is that the game takes 14% of your base Mana, then applies all modifiers to Mana and Energy Shield simultaneously. And that is how the program is handling it, and it is how other similar stats work (e.g on Hierophant's Sanctuary of Thought).



However, the fact that your calculation matches the in-game result clearly demonstrates that this modifier is not functioning as a conversion. But given its wording it absolutely should be, and so I believe that it is actually the game's handling of this modifier that is incorrect, not PoB's.



I would suggest raising this issue with GGG; I can't easily create a workaround to simulate the game's behaviour in this case, so either the game's handling of the modifier needs to be fixed, or they need to change the wording so that it doesn't imply conversion. Well, I'm a little confused now...The modifier on Watcher's Eye is worded exactly like a conversion (and the program automatically detects and handles it as such), and it should therefore follow the standard conversion calculation process.That process works quite differently from the calculation that you came up with (1381 x 0.14); what should actually occur is that the game takes 14% of your base Mana, then applies all modifiers to Mana and Energy Shield simultaneously. And that is how the program is handling it, and it is how other similar stats work (e.g on Hierophant's Sanctuary of Thought).However, the fact that your calculation matches the in-game result clearly demonstrates that this modifier is not functioning as a conversion. But given its wording it absolutely should be, and so I believe that it is actually the game's handling of this modifier that is incorrect, not PoB's.I would suggest raising this issue with GGG; I can't easily create a workaround to simulate the game's behaviour in this case, so either the game's handling of the modifier needs to be fixed, or they need to change the wording so that it doesn't imply conversion.

" daish0



I just checked a random guy that play's Hierophant with this Node you mentioned and Mana/ES values of Path of Building and Ingame seem to be correct. So there is a different between this Node calculation and the one from Watcher's Eye.



Will open a thread in the official Forum about it. Hi,I just checked a random guy that play's Hierophant with this Node you mentioned and Mana/ES values of Path of Building and Ingame seem to be correct. So there is a different between this Node calculation and the one from Watcher's Eye.Will open a thread in the official Forum about it.







Is there a calculation bug ingame with the new Watcher's Eye, or is it calculated wrong for all the other occurrences of that mod, or are there differences we didn't see yet?







To my limited knowledge The Watcher's Eye works correctly and Hierophant node does not - but I could be wrong!?



When I get the maximum Mana (after all modifiers applied) and add that as flat ES, I get correct values for Watcher's Eye mod but not Hierophant! (or are values on Hierophant lower, maybe because Int doesn't "double-dip" on this or similar stuff, then Watcher's Eye is calculated in a wrong way) Difference in calculation between new mod on Watcher's Eye and e.g. Sanctuary of Thought:Wording on Watcher's Eye:Gain 14% of Maximum Mana as Extra Maximum Energy Shield while affected by ClarityWording on Sanctuary of Thought (Hierophant Keystone):Gain 30% of Maximum Mana as Extra Maximum Energy ShieldThe wording is exactly the same (apart from the "while affected by Clarity" dependency), but the seem to be calculated differently.According to OpenArl (for Path of Building) the Watcher's Eye mod uses the same calculation as e.g. Hierophant node.Ingame, I get a different value than Path of Building!Issue for PoB: https://github.com/Openarl/PathOfBuilding/issues/759Comment History:Is there a calculation bug ingame with the new Watcher's Eye, or is it calculated wrong for all the other occurrences of that mod, or are there differences we didn't see yet?To my limited knowledge The Watcher's Eye works correctly and Hierophant node does not - but I could be wrong!?When I get the maximum Mana (after all modifiers applied) and add that as flat ES, I get correct values for Watcher's Eye mod but not Hierophant! (or are values on Hierophant lower, maybe because Int doesn't "double-dip" on this or similar stuff, then Watcher's Eye is calculated in a wrong way) Last bumped on Jan 12, 2018, 7:28:47 PM