KeksX Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Germany 3631 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 19:19:23 #1 http://kultur.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/14/0,1872,8223022_idDispatch:10857380,00.html?dr=1



(News with more information(German))

http://www.bz-berlin.de/kultur/fernsehen/warum-zeigt-das-zdf-killerspiel-turnier-article1243299.html



http://www.dwdl.de/nachrichten/32302/fifa_und_counterstrike_zdfkultur_zeigt_esports/



http://www.readmore.de/index.php?cont=headlines&id=54708



A sub channel of one of the public service broadcasters in Germany, ZDF.Kultur, is going to broadcast the start of the ESL Pro Series at gamescom on August, 20th 2011.

These will include full matches of FIFA 11, Counter-Strike, TrackMania and Starcraft II, along with interviews and official establishing shot etc. in cooperation with Turtle Entertainment (owner of ESL). The broadcast is scheduled to start at 10.30PM CEST and should run for 3 hours.



I am not sure if they show ALL of the matches or just selected ones, since it's start pretty late.



This is a PRETTY huge step since ZDF was one of the loudest opposer of these so called "killer games". Broadcasting the ESL means a huge move into the right direction.

But as always, politics go crazy about this. They critisize not only the event but also the plan to broadcast it (Misread that part).

If ZDF has the courage to stay with this plan, I think they did something very right. They have my sympathy if they stick with this plan. It's just a sub channel but we all have to start somewhere.





Please note that I didn't find a proper translation or English version so I just linked to the ZDF.Kultur program and the (imho) best news about it in German some alternative news sources.





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(News with more information(German))A sub channel of one of the public service broadcasters in Germany, ZDF.Kultur, is going to broadcast the start of the ESL Pro Series at gamescom on August, 20th 2011.These will include full matches of FIFA 11, Counter-Strike, TrackMania and Starcraft II, along with interviews and official establishing shot etc. in cooperation with Turtle Entertainment (owner of ESL). The broadcast is scheduled to start at 10.30PM CEST and should run for 3 hours.I am not sure if they show ALL of the matches or just selected ones, since it's start pretty late.This is a PRETTY huge step since ZDF was one of the loudest opposer of these so called "killer games". Broadcasting the ESL means a huge move into the right direction.(Misread that part).If ZDF has the courage to stay with this plan, I think they did something very right. They have my sympathy if they stick with this plan. It's just a sub channel but we all have to start somewhere.Please note that I didn't find a proper translation or English version so I just linked to the ZDF.Kultur program andsome alternative news sources.EDIT: Link to VODs (after original broadcast)

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/kanaluebersicht/aktuellste/554#/senderstartseite/1317640/sender/ZDFkultur



The show will be called "FTW - For The Win" (after original broadcast)The show will be called "FTW - For The Win"

Toadesstern Profile Blog Joined October 2008 Germany 15093 Posts #2 yeah saw it on my own, will tune in for sure. I don't really know what I'm supposed to expect from this.

First of all as you mentioned it's zdf and the news you linked got killergames and all that stuff in the headlines so I got some doubts about this.

But after all (haven't read the whole thing you linked yet, but I did read about it) the show will have 2 former Giga employees to guide through the show I think (?), so I really don't know what to think about it. <Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.

Shockk Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Germany 2267 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 17:05:36 #3 BZ is a subsidiary of the Axel Springer Verlag (for non-Germans: they publish BILD, the infamous and largest german tabloid "newspaper"). So I wouldn't give too much about their article and opinion.



As for the zdf.kultur coverage, I like it very much. It's not the actual ZDF but a digital-only, brand new station that explicitely wants to cover "gaming" as a part of their program - but still, it's a step in the right direction.

Skilledblob Profile Joined April 2011 Germany 3387 Posts #4 BZ man why did it have to be that newspaper it is utter crap jsut like The Sun.



Though the news is of course great. I thought about translating the article but man I wont translate this piece of journalistic crap. It really is not worth the read

KeksX Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Germany 3631 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 17:08:46 #5 On August 09 2011 02:06 Skilledblob wrote:

BZ man why did it have to be that newspaper it is utter crap jsut like The Sun.



They were apparently the fastest. And the other news source was readmore... So BZ was the better choice.

I updated the OP with alternative news sources.



As for the digital stuff:

ZDF.Kultur is kinda successful so it's going into the right direction. They were apparently the fastest. And the other news source was readmore... So BZ was the better choice.I updated the OP with alternative news sources.As for the digital stuff:ZDF.Kultur is kinda successful so it's going into the right direction.

RandyPinkwood Profile Joined March 2011 Germany 75 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 17:14:51 #6 When i read the title i was like WTF ESL on ZDF.

Even though i know now its only a subchannel it is still pretty cool that they do this,

i just hope not to many politicans will use that as an oportunity for fearmongering

instead of talking about the real problems like they normaly do. WC3 nightelf , SC2 Terran <3 moving buildings

Skilledblob Profile Joined April 2011 Germany 3387 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 17:18:54 #7



ok here is an important part from one of the other sites Das Engagement von ZDFkultur in der ESL Pro Series erstreckt sich vorerst auf den ersten Spieltag der Wintersaison. "Die Sendung hat für uns zunächst Pilotcharakter", erklärt Daniel Fiedler. Wenn alles gut läuft, soll es im kommenden Jahr weitergehen. "Es geht jetzt nicht mehr um das 'ob', sondern um das 'wie'", ergänzt der ZDFkultur-Chef. Eventuell wird in diesem Dezember auch noch das Saison-Finale gezeigt. Sollte die ESL-Übertragung bei ZDFkultur zur Regel werden würde man monatlich bis zu zweieinhalbstunden für die Turniere reservieren. Zusammen mit Format "Pixelmacher" käme der Sender dann auf rund fünf Stunden Gaming pro Monat.



translation:



translation: ZDFkultur will for now only show the first day of the winter season of the ESl Pro series. "The programm has a pilot chracter for us", explains Daniel Fiedler. When everything goes well it will continue in the next year. " It is not about the 'if' anymore but about the 'how'", explains the ZDFkultur CEO. Eventually they will show this seasons finale in december. If the ESL broadcast will become a regular programm on ZDFkultur it will get aproximately two and a half hour per month of broadcasting time. Together with the format "Pixelmacher" the TV station would show 5 hours of gaming per month.



so if everything goes well with the gaming broadcasts on ZDFkultur we might get even more. so if everything goes well with the gaming broadcasts on ZDFkultur we might get even more.

marcesr Profile Joined June 2008 Germany 1374 Posts #8 This is pretty nice, lets see how it developes. Would be nice to see Starcraft on TV once in a while even if its only a small sub channel.



Does anyone know if Eurosport will continue their show about the IEM?

Neverplay Profile Joined May 2010 Austria 532 Posts #9 thats really great, need to get my sat working to watch ZDF. Better light a candle than curse the darkness

KeksX Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Germany 3631 Posts #10 On August 09 2011 02:26 Neverplay wrote:

thats really great, need to get my sat working to watch ZDF.

You can always watch it online if you're not able to watch it on TV. But that's always within 24 hours after the original broadcast You can always watch it online if you're not able to watch it on TV. But that's always within 24 hours after the original broadcast

nepeta Profile Blog Joined May 2008 1872 Posts #11



http://www.bz-berlin.de/kultur/fernsehen/warum-zeigt-das-zdf-killerspiel-turnier-article1243299.html



Killer games on television



Why is the ZDF showing a killing game tournament?

ZDF.kultur presents '1st person shooters', which had been previously criticized after amok runs, as sports broadcast.



There'll soon be shooting games on television! After high school student Tim K. shot and killed 15 people and himself on the 11th of March 2009, a big discussion took place concerning the youth being endangered by so-called killing games. This has also been reported by the ZDF among others, in 'Frontal 21' magazine, which dealt with the insentivisation through games like the 1st person shooter 'counter-strike'.



Three years later it seems like the ZDF has changed its viewpoint. The digital broadcast station ZDF.kultur will broadcast a day of the 'Electronic Sports League' (ESL) in a program titled 'FTW - For The Win', on the 20th of August.



There [tn: the ESL community probably] 1,3 million players have registered, who play one another grouped in over 745 000 teams. The ZDF channel will, among other content, broadcast matches of the murdering game 'counterstrike'. [tn: CS's rep in Germany is pretty bad]



Are the ZDF trying, to shake off their reputation of family network* with their venturing into computer games? "Gaming is a mass-phenomenon, and has become a prominant part of culture", says ZDF.kultur coordinator Daniel Fiedler.



This way of programming however is being heavily criticized. In an article published by the Bunderland Thüringen, about the school killing in Erfurt, the intermedial exposure of this kind games has been criticized. About station NBC's program 'Giga-Games' has been said: "The possibilities to eliminate a virtual opponent, and the accompanying sound effects like 'well done' are being presented in the same unscrupulous manner of, for example, car test results.



Two moderators, who had been heavily criticized after the Erfurt massacre, have been re-engaged to present the ZDF.kultur games broadcast.



*kukident: toothpaste, smile with bright white teeth; approved for all ages and audiences I'm a little out of practice, but for what it's worth:Killer games on televisionWhy is the ZDF showing a killing game tournament?ZDF.kultur presents '1st person shooters', which had been previously criticized after amok runs, as sports broadcast.There'll soon be shooting games on television! After high school student Tim K. shot and killed 15 people and himself on the 11th of March 2009, a big discussion took place concerning the youth being endangered by so-called killing games. This has also been reported by the ZDF among others, in 'Frontal 21' magazine, which dealt with the insentivisation through games like the 1st person shooter 'counter-strike'.Three years later it seems like the ZDF has changed its viewpoint. The digital broadcast station ZDF.kultur will broadcast a day of the 'Electronic Sports League' (ESL) in a program titled 'FTW - For The Win', on the 20th of August.There [tn: the ESL community probably] 1,3 million players have registered, who play one another grouped in over 745 000 teams. The ZDF channel will, among other content, broadcast matches of the murdering game 'counterstrike'. [tn: CS's rep in Germany is pretty bad]Are the ZDF trying, to shake off their reputation of family network* with their venturing into computer games? "Gaming is a mass-phenomenon, and has become a prominant part of culture", says ZDF.kultur coordinator Daniel Fiedler.This way of programming however is being heavily criticized. In an article published by the Bunderland Thüringen, about the school killing in Erfurt, the intermedial exposure of this kind games has been criticized. About station NBC's program 'Giga-Games' has been said: "The possibilities to eliminate a virtual opponent, and the accompanying sound effects like 'well done' are being presented in the same unscrupulous manner of, for example, car test results.Two moderators, who had been heavily criticized after the Erfurt massacre, have been re-engaged to present the ZDF.kultur games broadcast.*kukident: toothpaste, smile with bright white teeth; approved for all ages and audiences Broodwar AI :) http://sscaitournament.com http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Main_Page

KaveX Profile Joined February 2011 Germany 59 Posts #12 On August 09 2011 01:57 KeksX wrote:

But as always, politics go crazy about this. They critisize not only the event but also the plan to broadcast it.

wtf, do you have hallucinations? I haven't heard of even one single politician who said something negative about the ZDF.kultur plans. Most certainly, noone "goes crazy". There is only this one BZ article which is overly negative, but rainbow press has absolutely nothing to do with politicians and I wouldn't take this one article too seriously. At least on DWDL.de, the tone was rather positive. wtf, do you have hallucinations? I haven't heard of even one single politician who said something negative about the ZDF.kultur plans. Most certainly, noone "goes crazy". There is only this one BZ article which is overly negative, but rainbow press has absolutely nothing to do with politicians and I wouldn't take this one article too seriously. At least on DWDL.de, the tone was rather positive. SC2: EU Master League (Season 1: 2900 Points) | Fan of White-Ra, ClouD, HasuObs, MarineKing, BoxeR

KeksX Profile Blog Joined November 2010 Germany 3631 Posts Last Edited: 2011-08-08 18:02:00 #13 On August 09 2011 02:56 KaveX wrote:

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On August 09 2011 01:57 KeksX wrote:

But as always, politics go crazy about this. They critisize not only the event but also the plan to broadcast it.

wtf, do you have hallucinations? I haven't heard of even one single politician who said something negative about the ZDF.kultur plans. Most certainly, noone "goes crazy". There is only this one BZ article which is overly negative, but rainbow press has absolutely nothing to do with politicians and I wouldn't take this one article too seriously. At least on DWDL.de, the tone was rather positive. wtf, do you have hallucinations? I haven't heard of even one single politician who said something negative about the ZDF.kultur plans. Most certainly, noone "goes crazy". There is only this one BZ article which is overly negative, but rainbow press has absolutely nothing to do with politicians and I wouldn't take this one article too seriously. At least on DWDL.de, the tone was rather positive.



Wait...

I reread the article and you are right. I misread it. I thought the part about the report by the Bundesland Thüringen was referring to this broadcasting, but it apparently isn't...



But no need to become personal here, stay calm Wait...I reread the article and you are right. I misread it. I thought the part about the report by the Bundesland Thüringen was referring to this broadcasting, but it apparently isn't...But no need to become personal here, stay calm

Ojahh Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Ireland 703 Posts #14 On August 09 2011 02:06 Skilledblob wrote:

BZ man why did it have to be that newspaper it is utter crap jsut like The Sun.



Though the news is of course great. I thought about translating the article but man I wont translate this piece of journalistic crap. It really is not worth the read





yeah news of the world got more integrity than that sorry piece of coloured toilet paper.



I feel there is a major swing around, it all started about a year back when mouz.sports held a LAN in the parliament to show politicians what gaming is about, and the good thing about ZDF is they can pull this of no matter what, every politician who tries to stop this broadcast will be neck deep in accusations of censoring state media, that shit doesn't fly in Germany, no matter if the majority of people likes the content or not. yeah news of the world got more integrity than that sorry piece of coloured toilet paper.I feel there is a major swing around, it all started about a year back when mouz.sports held a LAN in the parliament to show politicians what gaming is about, and the good thing about ZDF is they can pull this of no matter what, every politician who tries to stop this broadcast will be neck deep in accusations of censoring state media, that shit doesn't fly in Germany, no matter if the majority of people likes the content or not. ===== Barcraft Münster ===== www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282905! ////// ♥ Nyovne is the new Manifesto

twiitar Profile Joined November 2010 Germany 371 Posts #15 Big move, I don't really like the ESL due to Wire being utterly useless for the players and a huge waste of money for the company (not to mention the lack of attractivity of their TF2 league) but still a big move for eSports in general!

resilve Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United Kingdom 678 Posts #16 ESL are doing great things, firstly they got Eurosport to cover their IEM series, and now they have got involved with legitimate TV stations.



Way to go! Socke Fighting!!!!

Zetter Profile Blog Joined June 2011 Germany 609 Posts #17 Why do I have to be in Finland, when it airs? Whatever, my brother will tune in and that will count as viewer as well.



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Esel Profile Joined August 2010 Germany 146 Posts #18 holy check i already see so many old ppl being upset as they are the biggest part of the regular ZDF programm viewer i like sc2 more than wc3 because of its mind games , in wc3 the only mind game you could do is go for a different hero than normal to make your opponent thing you are retarded

Levi Profile Joined April 2010 Germany 45 Posts #19



u can whatch ZDF.Kultur on : we will see how it tourns out, hopefully good^^u can whatch ZDF.Kultur on : http://zattoo.com

sVnteen Profile Joined January 2011 Germany 2228 Posts #20 woot woot



ZDF ftw



really surprising me that they broadcast e-sports on ZDF-Kultur where almost no of the viewers that would be interested watch i guess but they will see that they are doing the right thing i hope

everbody tune in GOGO MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥

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