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True that doesn't make any sense to me as well.



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The companion coin can solve all issues if handled correctly.

You repeated that at least three times. It's time to get into detail. What is "handeled correctly".





The only argument I see is the team funds. We can raise those funds or even donations as well. We don't need another coin for it. But again, I'd be interested in the exact handling to get more in detail with my critic.



True that doesn't make any sense to me as well.AlsoYou repeated that at least three times. It's time to get into detail. What is "handeled correctly".The only argument I see is the team funds. We can raise those funds or even donations as well. We don't need another coin for it. But again, I'd be interested in the exact handling to get more in detail with my critic.

True that doesn't make any sense to me as well.



what doesn't make sense? that i suggested a superblock whilst qrk was already under 10cents? if you mean that then perhaps i should have put the superblock would be better suited when qrk had higher value because outside coders/developers that are not already loyal to qrk would have been more interested in coming across to a coin that has higher value and they could get more immediate fiat returns for their work.



You repeated that at least three times. It's time to get into detail. What is "handeled correctly".





Handled correctly.



First clear leadership laid out.









the companion coin



it's fully transparent - every transaction accounted for

10% excess in minting for development pot

correctly released to control movement of qrk to companion coin

the qrks taken as payment controlled correctly and released to market only as increased interest is present to keep price of QRK itself rising

developments voted for by community to get more interest and discussion going

developers engaged on best price paid only upon completion and maintained at good cost - whitepapers out well before development completion to bring more BTC into qrk

new features scanned for on board and replicated into qrk quickly to drag all new fad seekers and their BTC into the qrk community good PR and marketing essential on this board.

fully premined i say but if those out there want some % merge mined or even some % given to current QRK investors for community involvement

project managers paid 5% of all completed projects if not foundation funded and was ROI funded then they will get a nice share from their completed projects also.









Donations? i see no real difference between donations and superblock. 10% superblock is a 10% dilution given by everyone. The only difference is that donations do not return an exact proportion of any gains or losses. A super block does.





Superblock is good - but i just see the companion coin as having a little more versatility and margins for experimentation.



Sure if we can all agree to give 10% to the foundation and buy another 2 BTC each worth of QRK in the next week both ideas will probably not be needed.





Who here will donate 10% of their qrk wealth to the foundation and buy 2 BTC worth of qrk each this weekend? Please put your names below. If we can get more than 25% of all qrk holders to go for it i think the superblock and companion coin can be put on hold.











what doesn't make sense? that i suggested a superblock whilst qrk was already under 10cents? if you mean that then perhaps i should have put the superblock would be better suited when qrk had higher value because outside coders/developers that are not already loyal to qrk would have been more interested in coming across to a coin that has higher value and they could get more immediate fiat returns for their work.Handled correctly.First clear leadership laid out.the companion coinit's fully transparent - every transaction accounted for10% excess in minting for development potcorrectly released to control movement of qrk to companion cointhe qrks taken as payment controlled correctly and released to market only as increased interest is present to keep price of QRK itself risingdevelopments voted for by community to get more interest and discussion goingdevelopers engaged on best price paid only upon completion and maintained at good cost - whitepapers out well before development completion to bring more BTC into qrknew features scanned for on board and replicated into qrk quickly to drag all new fad seekers and their BTC into the qrk community good PR and marketing essential on this board.fully premined i say but if those out there want some % merge mined or even some % given to current QRK investors for community involvementproject managers paid 5% of all completed projects if not foundation funded and was ROI funded then they will get a nice share from their completed projects also.Donations? i see no real difference between donations and superblock. 10% superblock is a 10% dilution given by everyone. The only difference is that donations do not return an exact proportion of any gains or losses. A super block does.Superblock is good - but i just see the companion coin as having a little more versatility and margins for experimentation.Sure if we can all agree to give 10% to the foundation and buy another 2 BTC each worth of QRK in the next week both ideas will probably not be needed.Who here will donate 10% of their qrk wealth to the foundation and buy 2 BTC worth of qrk each this weekend? Please put your names below. If we can get more than 25% of all qrk holders to go for it i think the superblock and companion coin can be put on hold.

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and now seriously.People talking so much shit here not knowing the basics about econemy.Somebody suggested that you guys would have funds if you would sell 10% at 10 cents.Maybe somebody should enlithen him that the DAILY tradevolume of quark is between $3-10k and that 10% of quark is about 20.000.000 quarks which would be worth at $0.1 arround $2.000.000 hahahah how is he going to sell his 10% if the total daily trade of quark is just 1/300-1/1.000 of that what needed.One little 100k coin dumb and the coin is in the nirvana







Companion wont work as somebody else already posted it instantly shows that an old coin should be revived.



Answer me please one question why should somebody take the dues of an old dead coin with no infrastructur , no real community,no funding,bad reputation to say the truth no nothing and take the old investors of quark out of the shit?

You guys think any investor will be happy seeing the 33 million big wallets at quark ?



Also the 1-10% for the dev team.Another joke.What is 10% of a coin worth where you can't find a buyer ?Answer NOTHING



You guys are not fair just liers trying to safe your own investment by finding morons who will take your loss , else you can't describe it.



There is a reason why quark went down.And you are trying to revive quark without fixing the reason ?





WHAT A JOKE

ask the guy with the 33.000.000 qrk wallet.He can help youand now seriously.People talking so much shit here not knowing the basics about econemy.Somebody suggested that you guys would have funds if you would sell 10% at 10 cents.Maybe somebody should enlithen him that the DAILY tradevolume of quark is between $3-10k and that 10% of quark is about 20.000.000 quarks which would be worth at $0.1 arround $2.000.000 hahahah how is he going to sell his 10% if the total daily trade of quark is just 1/300-1/1.000 of that what needed.One little 100k coin dumb and the coin is in the nirvanaCompanion wont work as somebody else already posted it instantly shows that an old coin should be revived.Answer me please one question why should somebody take the dues of an old dead coin with no infrastructur , no real community,no funding,bad reputation to say the truth no nothing and take the old investors of quark out of the shit?You guys think any investor will be happy seeing the 33 million big wallets at quark ?Also the 1-10% for the dev team.Another joke.What is 10% of a coin worth where you can't find a buyer ?Answer NOTHINGYou guys are not fair just liers trying to safe your own investment by finding morons who will take your loss , else you can't describe it.There is a reason why quark went down.And you are trying to revive quark without fixing the reason ?WHAT A JOKE

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Last edit: July 26, 2014, 04:40:40 AM by digitalindustry #6566 http://www.reddit.com/r/QuarkCoin/comments/2br13q/a_few_days_ago_i_commented_on_a_quark_clone_and/



come comment or add comments here guys !





--------------------------------------------------



For people very new to the idea I have to explain from the start - :



Quark is a fully distributed currency with an EQ reward this is like a small inflation <0.4%

the benefits of this design are many - the price starts as a "base price" of near zero (its original value) and is then determined by the free market.

huge benefits over "traditional" or original crypto economic models are realized with this system making it the leader in Crypto key benifits are :



Low to Zero fee structure (because the EQ reward replenishes the system)

No price or mining manipulation due to monopoly

No corporate Bank or "Government" takeover is possible because of both the full distribution and the EQ reward.

Price stability as outlined here -



Which is amazing because we are only just 6 months past the inital distribution and the market got quite exuberant in that time.



All these things make Quark the key stable base leader in crypto the fact that others don't see this (right now) is only to the benefit of the readers here today, if you believe in decentralized digital "e-cash" then Quark is essentially the best measure of the market.



however this design did present one perceived problem, and that was that the "inflation rate" the EQ reward was not enough incentive to secure the network from our obvious enemies (namely Banks and Bank agents) although this is probably and overblown perceived threat there is also confidence issues that related to this subject.



Personally my opinion (having a lot of experience in the field) was that this issue would in essence resolve itself so i didn't see it as the problem that our friends were hyping it as; because after all the aim of any psychological attack is to control the narrative.



But then i was alway taught to use the energy that an enemy has and find their objective to help your cause and to this degree i think we have a solution .



The merge mine option for me is important not only to decentralize and raise our hash rate; but in keeping with the elegant theme of using our enemy it also has key important sociological impact effects; which i will explain along the way.



( i will probably need the Blog to do this)



So i'd say this is an exciting prospect as the parameters of the merge mine are quite enticing.



check them out :



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657528.0



no pre mine.

open and transparent.

5 min block times.

20 units halving in 4 years <



( this means everyone effectively has 4 years to mine this as primary reward then it halves to 10 ) this seems very fair to me as long as we can get it out publicly.



this to my calc gives us - 525600 minutes in a year - divided by 5 (5 min block times) = 105,120



so 105,120 blocks in one year.



105120 x 20 (block reward) = 2, 102, 400 per year -



2102400 x 4 = 8, 409600



so after 4 years there will be just 8.5 million of these units. and that is half of the supply that there will be.



upon looking at the code it is a clone of Quark so it falls down to a reward of 1 (maybe) after 20 years? with the grand total of 16million having been distributed after that very long time.



So as it was brought up in email i'd like to get feedback from the community about how they feel about this Crypto - the parameters look good and it seems exceptional as it seems like a fair start and has benign non hostile interest on the forum -



AS julie suggested in email we should re-brand it if the Dev is palatable to that he seems keen from the limited contact i've had with him.



for a merge mine to work I'd like to involve as much as the general public with the idea of profiting from mining a crypto, i think this can be achieved now.



add comments - i will disregard votes as Reddit is the master of spam voting - as always if you have any strong opinions voice them i'd LOVE feedback !



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come comment or add comments here guys !--------------------------------------------------For people very new to the idea I have to explain from the start - :Quark is a fully distributed currency with an EQ reward this is like a small inflation <0.4%the benefits of this design are many - the price starts as a "base price" of near zero (its original value) and is then determined by the free market.huge benefits over "traditional" or original crypto economic models are realized with this system making it the leader in Crypto key benifits are :Low to Zero fee structure (because the EQ reward replenishes the system)No price or mining manipulation due to monopolyNo corporate Bank or "Government" takeover is possible because of both the full distribution and the EQ reward.Price stability as outlined here - http://kolinevans.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/an-interesting-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-proving-that-decentralized-free-market-distribution-can-find-price-stability/ Which is amazing because we are only just 6 months past the inital distribution and the market got quite exuberant in that time.All these things make Quark the key stable base leader in crypto the fact that others don't see this (right now) is only to the benefit of the readers here today, if you believe in decentralized digital "e-cash" then Quark is essentially the best measure of the market.however this design did present one perceived problem, and that was that the "inflation rate" the EQ reward was not enough incentive to secure the network from our obvious enemies (namely Banks and Bank agents) although this is probably and overblown perceived threat there is also confidence issues that related to this subject.Personally my opinion (having a lot of experience in the field) was that this issue would in essence resolve itself so i didn't see it as the problem that our friends were hyping it as; because after all the aim of any psychological attack is to control the narrative.But then i was alway taught to use the energy that an enemy has and find their objective to help your cause and to this degree i think we have a solution .The merge mine option for me is important not only to decentralize and raise our hash rate; but in keeping with the elegant theme of using our enemy it also has key important sociological impact effects; which i will explain along the way.( i will probably need the Blog to do this)So i'd say this is an exciting prospect as the parameters of the merge mine are quite enticing.check them out :no pre mine.open and transparent.5 min block times.20 units halving in 4 years - Twitter @Kolin_Quark

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and now seriously.People talking so much shit here not knowing the basics about econemy.Somebody suggested that you guys would have funds if you would sell 10% at 10 cents.Maybe somebody should enlithen him that the DAILY tradevolume of quark is between $3-10k and that 10% of quark is about 20.000.000 quarks which would be worth at $0.1 arround $2.000.000 hahahah how is he going to sell his 10% if the total daily trade of quark is just 1/300-1/1.000 of that what needed.One little 100k coin dumb and the coin is in the nirvana







Companion wont work as somebody else already posted it instantly shows that an old coin should be revived.



Answer me please one question why should somebody take the dues of an old dead coin with no infrastructur , no real community,no funding,bad reputation to say the truth no nothing and take the old investors of quark out of the shit?

You guys think any investor will be happy seeing the 33 million big wallets at quark ?



Also the 1-10% for the dev team.Another joke.What is 10% of a coin worth where you can't find a buyer ?Answer NOTHING



You guys are not fair just liers trying to safe your own investment by finding morons who will take your loss , else you can't describe it.



There is a reason why quark went down.And you are trying to revive quark without fixing the reason ?









WHAT A JOKE



ask the guy with the 33.000.000 qrk wallet.He can help youand now seriously.People talking so much shit here not knowing the basics about econemy.Somebody suggested that you guys would have funds if you would sell 10% at 10 cents.Maybe somebody should enlithen him that the DAILY tradevolume of quark is between $3-10k and that 10% of quark is about 20.000.000 quarks which would be worth at $0.1 arround $2.000.000 hahahah how is he going to sell his 10% if the total daily trade of quark is just 1/300-1/1.000 of that what needed.One little 100k coin dumb and the coin is in the nirvanaCompanion wont work as somebody else already posted it instantly shows that an old coin should be revived.Answer me please one question why should somebody take the dues of an old dead coin with no infrastructur , no real community,no funding,bad reputation to say the truth no nothing and take the old investors of quark out of the shit?You guys think any investor will be happy seeing the 33 million big wallets at quark ?Also the 1-10% for the dev team.Another joke.What is 10% of a coin worth where you can't find a buyer ?Answer NOTHINGYou guys are not fair just liers trying to safe your own investment by finding morons who will take your loss , else you can't describe it.There is a reason why quark went down.And you are trying to revive quark without fixing the reason ?WHAT A JOKE



Of course you have to control the qrk supply to market, released only upon expanding demand. Hence what i said before. If you give good reason to believe qrk is alive with some decent developments ahead then you will boost interest and uptake.



If you have a specific point i am 100% for discussing it with you. However i see nothing above that has not already been explained before.



The reason? there are many reasons the biggest of which was



1. it was over pumped to a degree

2. the developer did not have any interest (financially) in keeping it alive. There is no captain or any form of leadership.

3. there is no real reason for people to buy qrk when many other coin communities have much bigger plans and many more people working to implement them.

4. those mostly invested in qrk never get involved with the commmunity. The sit outside of the crypto community

5. No funds available to interest new developers or marketing teams.



plenty more i have listed before. These are the reasons qrk sunk.











Of course you have to control the qrk supply to market, released only upon expanding demand. Hence what i said before. If you give good reason to believe qrk is alive with some decent developments ahead then you will boost interest and uptake.If you have a specific point i am 100% for discussing it with you. However i see nothing above that has not already been explained before.The reason? there are many reasons the biggest of which was1. it was over pumped to a degree2. the developer did not have any interest (financially) in keeping it alive. There is no captain or any form of leadership.3. there is no real reason for people to buy qrk when many other coin communities have much bigger plans and many more people working to implement them.4. those mostly invested in qrk never get involved with the commmunity. The sit outside of the crypto community5. No funds available to interest new developers or marketing teams.plenty more i have listed before. These are the reasons qrk sunk.

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Quote from: dragonseer on July 26, 2014, 06:40:56 AM There's nothing wrong with Quark. Just let Bitcoin keep making strides until enough people start to see how bloody slow it is. Quark is like a UFO in the hanger just waiting until people are ready to get around faster!



Edit: Look I'm not trying to say nothing needs to happen, but any 'solutions' to Quark being overlooked at the moment should NOT involve a hard fork, that's my stance on the matter.

I agree. A lot here don't even understand fundamental of economics. How can price go up without demand, marketing. New coin is just trying to fix a broken record using another broken record. Instead go the basics. Coding part is not the solution. The more they talk the more complicated it gets. Putting a companion coin on top of another companion coin ends up nowhere.





CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.



So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.



Of course you can not sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now. CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.Of course you can not sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now.

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create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?

Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.



Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.



I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out



ok just to add further. Thulle has been a strong critic of quark. Although I don't agree entirely to what the guy said and definitely disagree on the part on launching attack on kolin. One quote which I pick up which i think is definitely true. So this was written by thulle.





"Another thing the value of a coin is not based on security or features but based on marketing and public acceptance."



Quote from: cryptohunter on July 26, 2014, 01:04:50 PM Quote from: Q7 on July 26, 2014, 09:46:22 AM



Quote from: dragonseer on July 26, 2014, 06:40:56 AM There's nothing wrong with Quark. Just let Bitcoin keep making strides until enough people start to see how bloody slow it is. Quark is like a UFO in the hanger just waiting until people are ready to get around faster!



Edit: Look I'm not trying to say nothing needs to happen, but any 'solutions' to Quark being overlooked at the moment should NOT involve a hard fork, that's my stance on the matter.

I agree. A lot here don't even understand fundamental of economics. How can price go up without demand, marketing. New coin is just trying to fix a broken record using another broken record. Instead go the basics. Coding part is not the solution. The more they talk the more complicated it gets. Putting a companion coin on top of another companion coin ends up nowhere.





CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.



So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.



Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now.

CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now. Quark - anything with coding? It's top notch but why is it with its current state?create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice outok just to add further. Thulle has been a strong critic of quark. Although I don't agree entirely to what the guy said and definitely disagree on the part on launching attack on kolin. One quote which I pick up which i think is definitely true. So this was written by thulle."Another thing the value of a coin is not based on security or features but based on marketing and public acceptance." Renewable Energy Source

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create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?

Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.



Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.



I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out



Quote from: cryptohunter on July 26, 2014, 01:04:50 PM Quote from: Q7 on July 26, 2014, 09:46:22 AM



Quote from: dragonseer on July 26, 2014, 06:40:56 AM There's nothing wrong with Quark. Just let Bitcoin keep making strides until enough people start to see how bloody slow it is. Quark is like a UFO in the hanger just waiting until people are ready to get around faster!



Edit: Look I'm not trying to say nothing needs to happen, but any 'solutions' to Quark being overlooked at the moment should NOT involve a hard fork, that's my stance on the matter.

I agree. A lot here don't even understand fundamental of economics. How can price go up without demand, marketing. New coin is just trying to fix a broken record using another broken record. Instead go the basics. Coding part is not the solution. The more they talk the more complicated it gets. Putting a companion coin on top of another companion coin ends up nowhere.



It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.









CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.



So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.



Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now.

It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now. Quark - anything with coding? It's top notch but why is it with its current state?create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out





It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.



Yes, of course any new coin needs marketing to some degree or else nobody would know it existed. It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.Yes, of course any new coin needs marketing to some degree or else nobody would know it existed.

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come comment or add comments here guys !





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For people very new to the idea I have to explain from the start - :



Quark is a fully distributed currency with an EQ reward this is like a small inflation <0.4%

the benefits of this design are many - the price starts as a "base price" of near zero (its original value) and is then determined by the free market.

huge benefits over "traditional" or original crypto economic models are realized with this system making it the leader in Crypto key benifits are :



Low to Zero fee structure (because the EQ reward replenishes the system)

No price or mining manipulation due to monopoly

No corporate Bank or "Government" takeover is possible because of both the full distribution and the EQ reward.

Price stability as outlined here -



Which is amazing because we are only just 6 months past the inital distribution and the market got quite exuberant in that time.



All these things make Quark the key stable base leader in crypto the fact that others don't see this (right now) is only to the benefit of the readers here today, if you believe in decentralized digital "e-cash" then Quark is essentially the best measure of the market.



however this design did present one perceived problem, and that was that the "inflation rate" the EQ reward was not enough incentive to secure the network from our obvious enemies (namely Banks and Bank agents) although this is probably and overblown perceived threat there is also confidence issues that related to this subject.



Personally my opinion (having a lot of experience in the field) was that this issue would in essence resolve itself so i didn't see it as the problem that our friends were hyping it as; because after all the aim of any psychological attack is to control the narrative.



But then i was alway taught to use the energy that an enemy has and find their objective to help your cause and to this degree i think we have a solution .



The merge mine option for me is important not only to decentralize and raise our hash rate; but in keeping with the elegant theme of using our enemy it also has key important sociological impact effects; which i will explain along the way.



( i will probably need the Blog to do this)



So i'd say this is an exciting prospect as the parameters of the merge mine are quite enticing.



check them out :



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=657528.0



no pre mine.

open and transparent.

5 min block times.

20 units halving in 4 years <



( this means everyone effectively has 4 years to mine this as primary reward then it halves to 10 ) this seems very fair to me as long as we can get it out publicly.



this to my calc gives us - 525600 minutes in a year - divided by 5 (5 min block times) = 105,120



so 105,120 blocks in one year.



105120 x 20 (block reward) = 2, 102, 400 per year -



2102400 x 4 = 8, 409600



so after 4 years there will be just 8.5 million of these units. and that is half of the supply that there will be.



upon looking at the code it is a clone of Quark so it falls down to a reward of 1 (maybe) after 20 years? with the grand total of 16million having been distributed after that very long time.



So as it was brought up in email i'd like to get feedback from the community about how they feel about this Crypto - the parameters look good and it seems exceptional as it seems like a fair start and has benign non hostile interest on the forum -



AS julie suggested in email we should re-brand it if the Dev is palatable to that he seems keen from the limited contact i've had with him.



for a merge mine to work I'd like to involve as much as the general public with the idea of profiting from mining a crypto, i think this can be achieved now.



add comments - i will disregard votes as Reddit is the master of spam voting - as always if you have any strong opinions voice them i'd LOVE feedback !



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come comment or add comments here guys !--------------------------------------------------For people very new to the idea I have to explain from the start - :Quark is a fully distributed currency with an EQ reward this is like a small inflation <0.4%the benefits of this design are many - the price starts as a "base price" of near zero (its original value) and is then determined by the free market.huge benefits over "traditional" or original crypto economic models are realized with this system making it the leader in Crypto key benifits are :Low to Zero fee structure (because the EQ reward replenishes the system)No price or mining manipulation due to monopolyNo corporate Bank or "Government" takeover is possible because of both the full distribution and the EQ reward.Price stability as outlined here - http://kolinevans.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/an-interesting-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-proving-that-decentralized-free-market-distribution-can-find-price-stability/ Which is amazing because we are only just 6 months past the inital distribution and the market got quite exuberant in that time.All these things make Quark the key stable base leader in crypto the fact that others don't see this (right now) is only to the benefit of the readers here today, if you believe in decentralized digital "e-cash" then Quark is essentially the best measure of the market.however this design did present one perceived problem, and that was that the "inflation rate" the EQ reward was not enough incentive to secure the network from our obvious enemies (namely Banks and Bank agents) although this is probably and overblown perceived threat there is also confidence issues that related to this subject.Personally my opinion (having a lot of experience in the field) was that this issue would in essence resolve itself so i didn't see it as the problem that our friends were hyping it as; because after all the aim of any psychological attack is to control the narrative.But then i was alway taught to use the energy that an enemy has and find their objective to help your cause and to this degree i think we have a solution .The merge mine option for me is important not only to decentralize and raise our hash rate; but in keeping with the elegant theme of using our enemy it also has key important sociological impact effects; which i will explain along the way.( i will probably need the Blog to do this)So i'd say this is an exciting prospect as the parameters of the merge mine are quite enticing.check them out :no pre mine.open and transparent.5 min block times.20 units halving in 4 years



I don't follow how this will benefit current qrk holders over any other miners out there other than to add security to the chain? Can you explain how QRK investors will see any benefit from doing it this way?



It seems pointless to me from a qrk holders perspective and solves none of our funding issues. I don't follow how this will benefit current qrk holders over any other miners out there other than to add security to the chain? Can you explain how QRK investors will see any benefit from doing it this way?It seems pointless to me from a qrk holders perspective and solves none of our funding issues.

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Doge community:

Microlending

merchandise

brand recognition

writing in one community voice to business establishment to accept the coin

submit petitions.

Sponsorship

Contest & competition

Lately mcshibe... google it if u don't know



Quark community:

Coding

Coding

Forking

Coding

Companion coin

Coding

coding

Coding

More coding...



Where we going? Making same mistake twice.

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Quote from: cryptohunter on July 26, 2014, 01:51:10 PM Quote from: Q7 on July 26, 2014, 01:47:47 PM

create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?

Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.



Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.



I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out



Quote from: cryptohunter on July 26, 2014, 01:04:50 PM Quote from: Q7 on July 26, 2014, 09:46:22 AM



Quote from: dragonseer on July 26, 2014, 06:40:56 AM There's nothing wrong with Quark. Just let Bitcoin keep making strides until enough people start to see how bloody slow it is. Quark is like a UFO in the hanger just waiting until people are ready to get around faster!



Edit: Look I'm not trying to say nothing needs to happen, but any 'solutions' to Quark being overlooked at the moment should NOT involve a hard fork, that's my stance on the matter.

I agree. A lot here don't even understand fundamental of economics. How can price go up without demand, marketing. New coin is just trying to fix a broken record using another broken record. Instead go the basics. Coding part is not the solution. The more they talk the more complicated it gets. Putting a companion coin on top of another companion coin ends up nowhere.



It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.









CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.



So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.



Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now.

It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now. Quark - anything with coding? It's top notch but why is it with its current state?create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out





It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.



Yes, of course any new coin needs marketing to some degree or else nobody would know it existed.

It seems there is some confusion. The coins algo i don't see as needs improvement. By coding i mean the ability to implement new features for the coin and code out new services for it too. Of course these are different types of coding. The latter being web development. The thing is we need teams for different things. They all need funding or incentives though. So either a development pot, ROI projects or donations.Yes, of course any new coin needs marketing to some degree or else nobody would know it existed. Just a clear example of what I'm blabbering about:Doge community:Microlendingmerchandisebrand recognitionwriting in one community voice to business establishment to accept the coinsubmit petitions.SponsorshipContest & competitionLately mcshibe... google it if u don't knowQuark community:CodingCodingForkingCodingCompanion coinCodingcodingCodingMore coding...Where we going? Making same mistake twice.Quark coding is already our advantage. BUILD ON IT! Renewable Energy Source

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create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?

Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.



Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.



I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice out



ok just to add further. Thulle has been a strong critic of quark. Although I don't agree entirely to what the guy said and definitely disagree on the part on launching attack on kolin. One quote which I pick up which i think is definitely true. So this was written by thulle.





"Another thing the value of a coin is not based on security or features but based on marketing and public acceptance."



Quote from: cryptohunter on July 26, 2014, 01:04:50 PM Quote from: Q7 on July 26, 2014, 09:46:22 AM



Quote from: dragonseer on July 26, 2014, 06:40:56 AM There's nothing wrong with Quark. Just let Bitcoin keep making strides until enough people start to see how bloody slow it is. Quark is like a UFO in the hanger just waiting until people are ready to get around faster!



Edit: Look I'm not trying to say nothing needs to happen, but any 'solutions' to Quark being overlooked at the moment should NOT involve a hard fork, that's my stance on the matter.

I agree. A lot here don't even understand fundamental of economics. How can price go up without demand, marketing. New coin is just trying to fix a broken record using another broken record. Instead go the basics. Coding part is not the solution. The more they talk the more complicated it gets. Putting a companion coin on top of another companion coin ends up nowhere.





CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.



So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.



Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now.

CODING is a BIG part of the solution. Look to the new coins doing exceptionally well. You will notice they have one thing in common. A skilled coder with a detailed whitepaper on anon implementation. Or a white paper for some other new feature the market wants. Sure mainstream adoption would be better but if you are talking about marketing to those in the crypto community they want the latest and greatest. Don't give it to them and watch you coin die. Look to coins with no coders = dead.So either push for mainsteam adoption with some big companies, games etc. Or focus on marketing here to the ever expanding community. New features and projects bring in new interest, new interest brings new btc to fund more projects and features. No point arguing against it. Look at the new coins that are most successful and i don't mean one big pump and dead i mean coins with active communities that are getting stronger. These have fully funded and invested development and marketing teams. QRK has no funds for this.Of course you can sell qrk to a market that does not want qrk. You need to increase demand by giving people some hope for qrks future prospects. To most qrk appears dead right now. Quark - anything with coding? It's top notch but why is it with its current state?create another coin more superior coding than quark, I guarantee it will go up but without marketing, I wonder what would happen to it?Dogecoin.... what's with the code? Anything special? but the community support has been tremendous. Yeah. Lately the drop has been bad but their only hope is still the community.Now... the future. I bet reddcoin is on the rise. Anything special on the code? What's with the social function? Sounds familiar.I'm not launching personal attack or to make anyone feel bad. I see all quark supporters like we are all in one big boat with the same objective and direction. I just need to voice outok just to add further. Thulle has been a strong critic of quark. Although I don't agree entirely to what the guy said and definitely disagree on the part on launching attack on kolin. One quote which I pick up which i think is definitely true. So this was written by thulle."Another thing the value of a coin is not based on security or features but based on marketing and public acceptance."

totally agree Q7 - if we move with a merge the algos will move together - but that won't mean the end of the evolution, so i think there are some key benefits to be had ! totally agree Q7 - if we move with a merge the algos will move together - but that won't mean the end of the evolution, so i think there are some key benefits to be had ! - Twitter @Kolin_Quark

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So as it was brought up in email i'd like to get feedback from the community about how they feel about this Crypto - the parameters look good and it seems exceptional as it seems like a fair start and has benign non hostile interest on the forum -



"AS julie suggested in email we should re-brand it if the Dev is palatable to that he seems keen from the limited contact i've had with him."



for a merge mine to work I'd like to involve as much as the general public with the idea of profiting from mining a crypto, i think this can be achieved now.







For the record, I never said this...Very annoying!! So now I attach the email for what I actually said:



"Hi everyone,



I have been following this thread for a few days and I will just reply here on some things I see, and also including Max and others in the reply (many people were deleted from this thread?)- Max is after all an essential part of any discussion on a merge mine project. Once again I am hoping to get clarity directly from him on where everything stands, so we can get some direction moving forward.



Regarding the merge mine, Peter has pretty clearly laid out what his main objections would be, and likely also what most of the core community's objections would be as well- *secrecy* in moving a project forward without *any* input or knowledge of the rest of the core group.



Just as a reminder and for clarification for everyone: A few weeks ago, I sent out an email to the entire group regarding the idea of the merge mine project, so that we could begin discussing it in earnest (fyi, this was to get more transparency after the B9 "mess" was exposed) , and to begin working out a project that we could support and present with confidence to the community- There were some very good ideas by Victor and others, and a board was tentatively started in order to move things along, planning-wise. People were largely in support of a merge mine project if the details could be worked out, and there was a bounty raised for this as well.



@Kolin, shortly afterward (er-immediately), you started a new thread, and made a few statements which were dismissive of others ideas, and also indicating that the project was under some control of yours, and would go a certain predetermined way. Vague answers to direct questions on this were not helpful, and certainly we could not move forward in trying to plan anything until knowing what was possible and what wasn't (!).. Things pretty much ground to a halt at that point, as all constructive discussions stopped. I have to say in my own experience I have had very little motivation to do anything for Quark recently, because we have no idea of who is actually leading the ship. Why all the vagueness and secrecy?



So there is no bureaucracy, but there is a VERY clear stumbling block here--which is a complete lack of transparency as to what projects are taking place, and who is in charge of them. Peter has requested a meeting to clear things up, I have sent an email to Max as well.



Kolin, looking at some of these Quark clones you speak of.. MimicCoin- an exact replica of the B9, created right after B9. Such a coincidence that the stars have aligned like this?..and the dev has contacted you, right after your announcement.. and we are to believe this. A plain Quark clone, created with no features, but "just so happens" to fit what you are asking for -No premine. Sock-puppets (secret members of the Quark community?) present to support, mine, and accumulate this coin of no value or appeal, ramping up the difficulty already- how lovely and nice. First step of the multi-step plan in progress- "mining monopoly".



I will spare everyone the rest of the steps(rebrand, Bill Still), but why are we not informed of this again? Even when Peter asks directly we get some vague answer, or outright omission of the truth, and sarcasm about the beauty of crypto(I.e. "you can buy or sell, stay or leave").

A plan like this (with some minor modification) would have had so much more support if it were not so secretive and scammy in appearance. Right after the B9 no less- Trust IS at the core of why this would not be supported-



Yes, as Peter indicated- the only reason why I ever objected to the B9 was because of the hidden nature of it (not just keeping Core members out of it, but hiding it), and having no clearly identifiable and trustworthy plan as to who would mine for whom, how it would be introduced to the community,or raise money for the Foundation(projects) etc,etc.. Also, there was no cohesiveness, even among the people planning it.



And Kolin for some reason you object to a transparent pre-mine, : "community" or "Foundation premine" or something workable and transparent that would fairly pay everyone involved? You will not even consider anyone else's proposal, but appear to be going ahead with your own- Why? (And also, how is it possible that you have the veto power?)



I am for a merge mine project as discussed in the IRC meeting (and so was nearly everyone on this thread until things fell apart)- A project that done fairly would raise enough money for the devs, the Foundation (infrastructure projects), etc...



Could not the trusted Foundation (after some structuring) be the one that presents the plan to the community: that we are going ahead with a merge mine plan to support the hash-rate , add features, and manage a pre-mine (for devs and infrastructure)?

I am pretty confident we could sell the community on something we actually support.. Also Kolin, you have so many trollers following you now as a result of your NXT posts etc, you need the support of the core group, not to have Quark trashed as a result of a scammy appearing project...."

The email goes on, but mainly posting it here to clarify that I don't agree with rebranding a coin that is scammy in appearance-



I am however in favor of what I highlighted in bold..



CH, the plan with MimicCoin is to launch a plain Quark Clone with zero features, not to publicize it, but mine the hell out of it, then introduce it to the community as the "newly found merge-mine solution", rebranding it and publicizing-



No I am not in favor of doing this technique at all- especially with lies surrounding it... just for the record!





EDIT: adding this for the record also: http://www.reddit.com/r/QuarkCoin/comments/2br13q/a_few_days_ago_i_commented_on_a_quark_clone_and/cj9m97d "Hi everyone,I have been following this thread for a few days and I will just reply here on some things I see, and also including Max and others in the reply (many people were deleted from this thread?)- Max is after all an essential part of any discussion on a merge mine project. Once again I am hoping to get clarity directly from him on where everything stands, so we can get some direction moving forward.Regarding the merge mine, Peter has pretty clearly laid out what his main objections would be, and likely also what most of the core community's objections would be as well- *secrecy* in moving a project forward without *any* input or knowledge of the rest of the core group.Just as a reminder and for clarification for everyone: A few weeks ago, I sent out an email to the entire group regarding the idea of the merge mine project, so that we could begin discussing it in earnest (fyi, this was to get more transparency after the B9 "mess" was exposed) , and to begin working out a project that we could support and present with confidence to the community- There were some very good ideas by Victor and others, and a board was tentatively started in order to move things along, planning-wise. People were largely in support of a merge mine project if the details could be worked out, and there was a bounty raised for this as well.@Kolin, shortly afterward (er-immediately), you started a new thread, and made a few statements which were dismissive of others ideas, and also indicating that the project was under some control of yours, and would go a certain predetermined way. Vague answers to direct questions on this were not helpful, and certainly we could not move forward in trying to plan anything until knowing what was possible and what wasn't (!).. Things pretty much ground to a halt at that point, as all constructive discussions stopped. I have to say in my own experience I have had very little motivation to do anything for Quark recently, because we have no idea of who is actually leading the ship. Why all the vagueness and secrecy?So there is no bureaucracy, but there is a VERY clear stumbling block here--which is a complete lack of transparency as to what projects are taking place, and who is in charge of them. Peter has requested a meeting to clear things up, I have sent an email to Max as well.Kolin, looking at some of these Quark clones you speak of.. MimicCoin- an exact replica of the B9, created right after B9. Such a coincidence that the stars have aligned like this?..and the dev has contacted you, right after your announcement.. and we are to believe this. A plain Quark clone, created with no features, but "just so happens" to fit what you are asking for -No premine. Sock-puppets (secret members of the Quark community?) present to support, mine, and accumulate this coin of no value or appeal, ramping up the difficulty already- how lovely and nice. First step of the multi-step plan in progress- "mining monopoly".I will spare everyone the rest of the steps(rebrand, Bill Still), but why are we not informed of this again? Even when Peter asks directly we get some vague answer, or outright omission of the truth, and sarcasm about the beauty of crypto(I.e. "you can buy or sell, stay or leave").A plan like this (with some minor modification) would have had so much more support if it were not so secretive and scammy in appearance. Right after the B9 no less- Trust IS at the core of why this would not be supported-Yes, as Peter indicated- the only reason why I ever objected to the B9 was because of the hidden nature of it (not just keeping Core members out of it, but hiding it), and having no clearly identifiable and trustworthy plan as to who would mine for whom, how it would be introduced to the community,or raise money for the Foundation(projects) etc,etc.. Also, there was no cohesiveness, even among the people planning it.And Kolin for some reason you object to a transparent pre-mine, : "community" or "Foundation premine" or something workable and transparent that would fairly pay everyone involved? You will not even consider anyone else's proposal, but appear to be going ahead with your own- Why? (And also, how is it possible that you have the veto power?) Coinmama:

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Full MemberActivity: 168Merit: 100 Re: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | cPoW | PC mining | Stability | Hashcows - QRK Payouts July 26, 2014, 10:12:38 PM #6579 Quote from: Thule on July 26, 2014, 08:42:42 PM There are 4 major reasons why quark went down which needs to be fixed.I posted a very long post but it got deleted by my own browser so i will write it now quick as i dont feel like rewritting it right at the moment and will explain it later





1.preminscam (big wallets)

2.Kolin

3.big wallets not doing anything just cashing out profits

4.Max





Before you guys wont fix these 4 major issues quark will have no future



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With respect to your issues -



1) There was not a premine scam. There was an instamine, that's done - but the coin still has worth

2) no comment other than I disagree. He's the only person I've seen promoting the coin. More need to.

3) Big wallets cashing out i can't comment on, other than that seems to be over

4) Max - I don't know what you mean by that. I do think too many coins try to add "features" - eye candy - that have no utility.



Bitcoin got a lot of things right, it wouldn't be a success if it didn't. The biggest thing it got wrong was the proof of work, Satoshi did not foresee ASIC. Block time is the other issue with bitcoin that is fixed with Quark.



I guess I'm old school but I don't see value in changing what isn't broken nor adding features for the sake of adding features. I like that QuarkCoin didn't deviate where it didn't need to.



Eye candy features are really only useful to hype a coin during the pump before the dump, I'm glad it isn't there, that Max followed KISS - if that is what you were referring to. Activity 10 - all in this thread. Seems like account created for this thread.With respect to your issues -1) There was not a premine scam. There was an instamine, that's done - but the coin still has worth2) no comment other than I disagree. He's the only person I've seen promoting the coin. More need to.3) Big wallets cashing out i can't comment on, other than that seems to be over4) Max - I don't know what you mean by that. I do think too many coins try to add "features" - eye candy - that have no utility.Bitcoin got a lot of things right, it wouldn't be a success if it didn't. The biggest thing it got wrong was the proof of work, Satoshi did not foresee ASIC. Block time is the other issue with bitcoin that is fixed with Quark.I guess I'm old school but I don't see value in changing what isn't broken nor adding features for the sake of adding features. I like that QuarkCoin didn't deviate where it didn't need to.Eye candy features are really only useful to hype a coin during the pump before the dump, I'm glad it isn't there, that Max followed KISS - if that is what you were referring to. QuarkCoin - what I believe bitcoin was intended to be. On reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/QuarkCoin/