Remachinate said: The Polygon article is later vindicated, and promises of a sizeable investment from Sony evaporate. Those people mentioned above who made a decision to back or not back weren't misinformed. And now the article is being blamed, because they made more people consider all the risks than back based on riding a wave of unmitigated enthusiasm? Click to expand...

2 Slice Toaster said: The problem is, we still have to imagine multiple scenarios precisely because there is still a great deal of uncertainty surrounding how much funding in addition to the KS funds is available to Suzuki.



This happens in most other KS, as many have tirelessly pointed out in multiple threads. The problem is, Shenmue 3 is a sequel to a series that is notorious based on the cost of their development, which were magnitudes higher than the KS total, for which we currently understand is supposed to represent the bulk of the project funding.



People have to understand there are a significant amount of people who didn't cry at the announcement at E3, and haven't contemplated on living on bread and bananas for an extensive period of time so that they can up their contribution to the KS. They simply might find the series interesting, possibly even enjoyed the past entries, but are sceptical based on the gulf in funding that has been guaranteed at this point, based against the past. Suzuki and his team have to continue to work to inform consumers about their vision if they want to continue to have people contribute.



Encouraging people to continue contributing, so that the end result is that much greater, is a fine idea. But telling people to stop talking about the KS funding sources, Sony, etc. is not. It is an interesting topic, and people have shown they want to talk about it. NeoGaf has always been about fostering intelligent conversation about gaming, beyond any other community I've seen. But the people who try to dissuade other from conversing about a topic, because in their eyes it is unproductive, or worse, because they feel it is borne out of malice from some petty console-wars BS may be doing it out of their love for Shenmue, but are losing sight of what Neogaf is about. Click to expand...

Crocodile said: I don't know how much Deep Silver is contributing to Mighty No. 9 (but it getting VA for both languages, a physical in stores release, etc. suggest not an insignificant amount) but we do know Deep Silver is contributing at least about $4.5 million to Bloodstained's budget. That is close to 50%. Click to expand...

staticneuron said: Listen just because you don't have all the information (most likely because they have not finalized anything) doesn't mean it is ok for people to MAKE stuff up and then turn around and blame YSnet and Sony for the fact that people decided to make stuff up. Click to expand...

Krejlooc said: Running over budget is not the same as having no idea what your budget should be. The very first thing you do in game development - the very first thing - is budget allocation. The idea that Yu Suzuki doesn't know what his budget should be and is just winging it is not at all how any level of professional game development goes. Click to expand...

This thread and some of the posters.... I meanWhat promises. Sony said they were going to help YSnet. Where does the sizable part come in? no one knew and Sony didn't state. So people started creating stuff and trying to rationalize what we are hearing and now it is ok to attribute created non descript amounts of backing to Sony as if they stated something to that effect?1. Kickstarter is to start a project. They have a goal in mind but no company is going to throw out numbers for things they have no control over. So what Yu has stated is exactly what the project needs. Concerns about additional funding afterwards is personal. The way I see it, just like with any kickstarter, you put faith in the project creators that it will get done and you pledge an amount. This incredible amount of concern for outside investors sounds like a successful FUD. To be honest if everyone held this concern than no video games under 4 million would have gotten funded. Almost no company discloses exact deals with partners at the start or during a kickstarter because they may be in flux or scope may change based off of demand.2. It is disingenuous to imply that people who want to support have to pony up so much money the have to live on bread and bananas when the digital copies are $30 and the disc based pledge is $603. No body is telling people to stop talking about. What should not be done is passing off assumptions as fact.1. Do you have a source for that amount contributed by Deep Silver?2. When you looked at the campaign pages for both projects none of this is listed there. For Mighty no 9, the announcement of that companies involvement was around 20 months after that KS ended.again ....No one is saying that, the issue is with scope. If the KS allows them to change scope then they wouldn't do themselves any favors by trying to push out numbers estimated on a fixed scope. If the go low people might stop contributing soo it dooms the increase in scope. If they produce numbers on the high end scope then people might think it is unattainable and not contribute. People still misunderstood about Star Citizen and their pledge page about how they planned to develop "IF" they did "NOT" hit a target in KS and when they broke past that in spades they changed the order of development because the scope changed.You cannot treat a kickstarter game with the ability to change scope like one that it is taken up by a publisher. When a dev goes to a publisher they have one scope in mind, and it is up to the publisher to accept, reject it, or to ask for some concessions.