lilyflower3191981 Originally Posted by I've heard so called nice guys complaining about "finishing last" all the time, but I am wondering if they actual realize that they are not very nice.



For example, I found so called nice guys always have this "victim" mentality which I found to be very annoying.



They claim:



I don't drink - but they have no problems complaining their girlfriend have a drinking problem. (turned out the girl only drinks socially)



I respect my parents - turn out they are still living with their parents and when girl asked the legitimate question, "when will you be independent" The dude immediately got defensive and accused of the girl of being "disrespectful"



I don't go out - turn out they are suffering from social phobia, have absolutely no abilities to social with anybody



Here is the ultimate,



ALl women want jerks, are shallow, are materialistic, like to be abused. It is all women's fault, not mine.



So when people tell me they are nice guy who finishes last, this is a red flag to me. What are your thoughts?