fuckyourgenderid:

naturesagender:

fuckyourgenderid: naturesagender: seasickcrocodyle: let’s rename the sex positivity movement to the “male fantasies repackaged as empowering for women” movement I’m a bit critical of the way this is worded. If you’re talking about porn, then you’re absolutely right. But don’t forget, many women are sexually attracted to men and, therefore, may share some of the same fantasies that men have. Violence by men against women has been sexualized and fed to us by the media and by porn culture, rape culture and the sex positive movement. Women may share these fantasies, but it’s still harmful to them even if they enjoy it. It’s intimately men benefiting and women being hurt. Even if women share these fantasies, there ultimately for men’s benefit; male fantasies. Oh I definitely agree with you about violent fantasies! Heterosexual men and women have internalised a lot of misogynistic, harmful ideas from porn culture, rape culture and even the “sex positive” movement no doubt about it.



By male fantasies, did you mean patriarchal fantasies? Because if we’re talking “male”, then male fantasies (that aren’t influenced by misogynistic porn) most likely also include acts that focus on female pleasure, (e.g. females receiving oral sex, stimulation of the g-spot etc) then it is possible that not all male fantasies are misogynistic. Also, some acts shown in porn may not have been misogynistic before they were hijacked by the pornography industry. For example, something that can be quite pleasurable outside of porn may have been altered by pornographers to include pain for the woman or accompanied by misogynistic slurs.

All porn is misogynistic. In our society, violence has been made synonymous with sex through porn culture and rape culture. All porn is made through the patriarchal lense. It’s made for the enjoyment of men with utter disregard for the women, as people, that are I them. Every porno is about men getting off and the females getting off to male pleasure, the men are central. In most cases the women’s pleasure is a kind of worship of the men. If he takes the time to actually focus on her physical pleasure, it’s something she should be grateful for, something he has chosen to do but isn’t required to do, he’s gone out of his way. (This describes the majority of porn but not all of course, for specific types, please ask) The entire industry runs on the pain, torture and exploitation of female porn actresses. A little bit of focus on them doesn’t erase that. You also mention how some violence is edited in? The producers, directors and male actors of porn all agree that violence against women is what sells, they make it as violent as possible. There are first hand accounts of women that say the violence of the male actors was way more than necessary and continued off camera.

Gay porn does this as well. Lesbian porn includes a lot of male worship, penis worship, the idea that this is a substitute for “real sex” with men, they’re doing this for the pleasure of men, ect. It’s all made for men and very unrealistic. Gay porn always has at least one “submissive” person whose feminized, called misogynistic slurs, whose purpose is to make the “real man” happy ect. All of this about pleasing men and totally disregards the suffering and exploitation of the women in the industry.

I can be more specific is you have more questions? Sorry if I seem harsh.