STAPLES: I thought Paul Wall was Puerto Rican. Are we talking about white people that rap, or white rappers? Cause it’s a fuckin difference. White rappers are corny. White people that rap, it’s like, “Oh, that’s wassup. You white, you rap.”

MILLER: Definitely. The genre of white rapper is not tight.

STAPLES: Yeah, that shit is a genre, bro.

MILLER: And it’s funny because, when [my 2011 album] Blue Slide Park happened, there was a surge of all these kids, and we were able to sell 10,000 units on iTunes just out of nowhere. I remember touring and doing shows, and I was the first rap show ever in all these colleges. Six thousand kids, and I’m the first hip-hop show because I’m white-college-friendly. That was always a demon for me. It was hard to sit here and know that, because I was a white dude, I was able to sell easier and be more marketable. That wasn’t tight to me. I wanted to go through the same shit that everyone else did. But I did that shit, and that shit was huge for me. Recently, I’ve grown up. This is my job, and I’m going to do it. It used to be so difficult for me being a white rapper, but now, it doesn’t eat at me as much.

STAPLES: Maybe you’re not the problem. Maybe the problem is that black people don’t support each other and don’t fuck with each other as much as they should. Maybe Hispanic people don’t fuck with each other and support each other as much as they should. You’re not the problem. White people got the right idea: the first thought, the first action, is to be a supporter.

MILLER: I grew up around people of all different races that were all different types of people. I know white motherfuckers that are wilder than black dudes I know, as far as some thugging shit. That’s a conversation that needs to be put to bed the quickest. Regardless what the percentages and statistics are, the reality is—or, at least mine was—there was motherfuckers that were on some hood shit that were white and black. Race didn’t categorize that exactly.

STAPLES: When it comes to giving credit and showing appreciation, that’s a different conversation. If we’re talking about origins of music, if you’re talking about rock & roll, you have to give credit to Chuck Berry. He invented it; Elvis stole some shit; it’s fine. When you talk about rap, you have to give credit to the South Bronx and that whole community and Afrika Bambaataa. You have to give credit to where it’s due. If we talking about basketball, you gotta give credit to Dr. Naismith. There are people that created things, and who made things, but if we’re talking about someone’s ability to participate in something, then the color of a person should not be in the conversation, period.

MILLER: Good and bad music, it has so much less to do with what race people are. Maybe because dude’s white, the experiences life have given him, that’s why his music is that bad.