Ryan and Craig welcome two guests to discuss “Of Turin Turambar,” the most relentlessly gloomy story in Tolkien’s entire oeuvre. And they even have some fun while they’re at it! Kip Rasmussen, the Tolkien illustrator who joined us on our first Silmarillion episode, returns after a four-year absence. Jack Butler, a first-time guest, is a podcaster and writer in Washington, D.C.

Purchase Kip’s amazing prints at KipRasmussen.com

Listen to Jack Butler on Young Americans or The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

MUSIC: “Adventure Time” and “The Seven Seas” courtesy of Philter.no