Robert Horry was the latest guest on the Road Trippin’ with RJ and Channing podcast this week. During his appearance, one of the many things he talked about was the game-winner Derek Fisher drilled with 0.4 seconds left to beat the Spurs in the 2004 Western Conference semifinals.

Horry, who has not been afraid to take swipes at the Spurs as of late, says that if head coach Gregg Popovich had listened to him on the play, Fisher never would’ve hit the shot and San Antonio never would’ve had to go through that painful night.

Here’s how seven-time champ Horry explains it:

“The funny part is if I’d have did what I wanted to do, we would’ve won that game. “So Pop doesn’t like Kobe. He was like, ‘I don’t like him. I don’t want him to hit a game-winner,’ and so he says, ‘Rob, when Kobe comes off, just guard him.’ “I was like, ‘No, you want the ball to go away from the basket.’ “Where I was standing, Kobe comes off, I actually did this, ‘One thousand one, no I shouldn’t do it, (expletive) it, I gotta do what the coach says.’ “So I run over to Kobe, the spot I leave, kicks it right to Fish, Fish catches and turns. I’m looking to Pop the whole time like, ‘See, if you make ’em throw ’em out that way, away from the basket, going this way and turning,’ I’m like, ‘Really?’ “I was just shaking my head, and after that. It was a wrap.”

Then, Horry was jokingly asked if he told the general manager to fire Pop after the game. Horry said no, and his reasoning was that Popovich is the real GM and “the other guy’s just a figurehead.” (Popovich is actually the Spurs’ president of basketball operations, and general manager R.C. Buford literally does report to him.)

The Lakers went on to win that series, though they lost to the Pistons in the Finals. Could that have completely changed had the Spurs won Game 4 of the semifinals? Maybe, but also, as the saying goes, hindsight is always 20/20.