In a new interview on Washington DC radio, Pusha T revealed what it was like kicking it with Barack Obama, becoming involved in politics during election season, and that now infamous meeting between Kanye West and President Trump.

“I was like, ‘Man, there ain’t nothing to go talk about.’ But he has a perspective—and we were definitely polar opposites—but he was like, ‘Man, you gotta talk. We gotta talk. And there’s some things that I want to get across in regards to education’ and so on and so forth,” he continued. “He’s like ‘Bro, he’s in there. We either gotta communicate or we ain’t gonna be heard.’ So that was his stance on it. My stance on it was, ‘Listen, I can’t do it.’”