In our last episode of Horns of a Dilemma, we featured a speech by Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence. At the very same conference​, organized by the Intelligence Studies Project — a collaborative effort of the Strauss and Clements Centers down at the University of Texas — there was a fascinating conversation moderated by Michele L. Malvesti of Tufts University, that featured John McLaughlin, the former Acting Director of Central Intelligence, Nicholas Rasmussen, former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, and Norman Roule, former National Intelligence Manager for Iran.

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