On last week’s edition of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality Radio Hour, a self-described “former homosexual” called for the arrest of author Dan Savage for his campaign to end suicide among LGBT youth, and today host Peter LaBarbera and guest Patrick Wooden reminisced about when violence against gay and transgender people was considered “normal.”

Wooden, a North Carolina pastor and anti-gay activist with who has claimed that older gay men have to wear diapers after a lifetime of shoving a variety of objects and animals up their anuses, started the program by criticizing NAACP president Ben Jealous for addressing the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force’s Creating Change conference. In his speech, Jealous described how his childhood best friend whom he considered a brother was bullied not only because he is black but also because of his “preference for wigs, dresses and make-up.” Pastor Wooden said that the family should have “whooped” him and “taught the child how to dress,” saying that his “heart breaks” for the NAACP’s stance on LGBT rights.

Later in the interview, Wooden and LaBarbera both claimed that it was “normal” for men to violently react to a gay man they perceived to be flirting with them and LaBarbera even said he fears that it would be considered a “hate crime” for a man to punch a transgender woman using the woman’s restroom.

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