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Virginia Heffernan talks to Scott Sagan, a political science professor at Stanford University known for his research on nuclear weapons policy and nuclear disarmament, about the results of his recently co-authored poll gauging Americans’ desire to go to war with North Korea.

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Further reading

• Scott Sagan, Alida R. Haworth, and Benjamin A. Valentino: What do Americans really think about conflict with nuclear North Korea? The answer is both reassuring and disturbing.

Podcast production by Melissa Kaplan with help from Merritt Jacob.