The group didn't think much better of Hillary Clinton. The words they used about her were "deceitful," "untruthful," "old," "untrustworthy," "uninspiring," "a liar," "corruption," "bully," "slimy," "deceitful," "business as usual" and "disingenuous."

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Those descriptors of the Republican and Democratic presidential nominees poured out during a wide-ranging focus group Friday night in Alexandria moderated by Republican pollster Frank Luntz and sponsored by AARP.

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The 30 voters varied in age and political affiliation, and they represented an array of careers and ethnicities. They were united only by their distaste for and distrust of both major-party nominees. They were largely undecided about the election, though some were leaning toward Trump and others toward Clinton. Twelve of them said they were considering voting for Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson.

Nearly all of them predicted Clinton would win the Nov. 8 election. They said they saw Clinton as the more stable commander in chief but believed Trump would be more likely to solve chronic domestic problems such as the federal deficit. They said Trump was more trustworthy than Clinton, and many said Trump was more likely to tell the truth and Clinton to lie. Many described Trump as potentially more transformative than Clinton, whom they said was the status-quo candidate, although they acknowledged the risks of his candidacy.

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"I think Clinton is very qualified, but I don't think she's a change candidate," Suzanne said. "What would Trump do? Who knows."

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Another woman said, "Trump's brain is a bag of cats, and it's a crapshoot what Trump you're going to get."

Manny described Clinton as "a man eater," saying she lacks compassion and that he worries she would start more conflicts abroad.

"Those who get in her way, she's going to cut the liver out, sever the heart, with no regard," he said.

Many of these undecided voters said they were troubled by Clinton's use of a private email server as secretary of state and wished she were more transparent in releasing her emails.

“She just doesn’t seem to care that it was a problem," said a woman named Lynn. "What’s she going to do with other information that is sensitive? She’s going to be in control of a lot as commander in chief."

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The voters also were bothered by Trump's refusal to release his tax returns, something every presidential candidate has done for decades. Asked which issue was more important, 17 voters said Clinton's emails and 11 said Trump's taxes.

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"We already know what's in Clinton's emails. It's been talked about to death," said Beverly, who was among those who raised her hand for Trump's taxes. "I'm concerned what Trump's hiding in there. There may be business dealings, illegal business dealings. He's really good at sweeping things out, and I really think he's hiding something."

Many of the undecided Virginia voters were willing to cut Clinton a break for her recent comment that "half" of Trump's supporters fit "in a basket of deplorables -- the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, you name it."

When the voters were shown Trump's 30-second television ad attacking Clinton for the remark, they recoiled. Asked which was more mean-spirited, Clinton's remark or Trump's ad, 16 said her comments and 14 said his ad.