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Reputation: Posts: 51Threads: 4Joined: Sep 2015Reputation: 2 ▲ Post: #1 ▼ Today I emailed the PDC ( for what's it's worth ) and proposed a new rule as follows.



That after a player throws his third dart he must walk directly to the board to retrieve his darts, if the leg is still in progress.

He can turn, pause, and celebrate, but must not walk to the left or to the right or back towards the stage, unless the dart thrown was to win the leg.



I cited the recent Barney V Cadby game at the first round of the Perth masters.

Barney wanted 56 to win, and was about to throw when Cadby walked off and back behind Barney to celebrate his throw before returning to the board to retrieve his darts.

Meanwhile Barney was just left waiting at the oche. The time delay it created before Barney could continue his throw was unacceptable.



I love emotion, celebtration and aggression, But not when it causes an excessive or unfair delay in play for the opposition.

A simple rule as per above would prevent this, but still allow emotional celebrations mid game.





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Country: Posts: 1,076Threads: 33Joined: Feb 2016Reputation: 77 Country: ▲ Post: #2 ▼ Ted Hankey would be out of a job in that case! I get your point and agree it was annoying from Cadby. However....



Imagine the can of worms you open with this. The complications. Referees getting involved in this if someone does celebrate. What if that happens? Yellow card? Then you get whining to the ref? 'It was only a small celebration, I hardly moved!'. So we need to make special lines on the oche in which you have to stay... Involve extra cameras, let's call it dart-line-technology... Etcetera...



I am exaggerating, but what I mean is you will further complicate the sport. Where there are behavioral rules, players will try to find the edge to put-off opponents. And if you want to truly regulate that behavior, decissions will be made that part of the audience will not like or understand. Match Darts: Target Phil Taylor gen 3, 22 g

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Country: Posts: 734Threads: 10Joined: Nov 2016Reputation: 11 Country: ▲ Post: #3 ▼ (08-27-2017, 10:06 AM) WhiskyPops Wrote: Ted Hankey would be out of a job in that case! I get your point and agree it was annoying from Cadby. However....



Imagine the can of worms you open with this. The complications. Referees getting involved in this if someone does celebrate. What if that happens? Yellow card? Then you get whining to the ref? 'It was only a small celebration, I hardly moved!'. So we need to make special lines on the oche in which you have to stay... Involve extra cameras, let's call it dart-line-technology... Etcetera...



I am exaggerating, but what I mean is you will further complicate the sport. Where there are behavioral rules, players will try to find the edge to put-off opponents. And if you want to truly regulate that behavior, decissions will be made that part of the audience will not like or understand.

Indeed, I really agree with this. The referee's job is to warn the players if their celebrating is over the top. I don't think the callers so far have told Cadby that it's too much, so he's not doing anything wrong. The referee should intervene in situations like this. But a new rule is not essentially needed for this, it would only make things more complicated. Indeed, I really agree with this. The referee's job is to warn the players if their celebrating is over the top. I don't think the callers so far have told Cadby that it's too much, so he's not doing anything wrong. The referee should intervene in situations like this. But a new rule is not essentially needed for this, it would only make things more complicated. Find Reply gumbo2176





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Country: Posts: 3,415Threads: 36Joined: Jul 2013Reputation: 183 Country: ▲ Post: #4 ▼ I agree Cadby's celebrations for good scores can be a bit over the top, but Peter Wright has done similar things in the past where I've seen him throw 2 darts and turn to the crowd, leave the oche and engage the audience prior to his last dart being thrown. That also delays his opponents approach to the oche and could put them off their throw a bit.



I think Cadby's celebration in the example you mentioned did put Barney off a bit. Find Reply Krafty





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Reputation: Posts: 51Threads: 4Joined: Sep 2015Reputation: 2 ▲ Post: #8 ▼ Good points guys, I agree, in the end it would prob just open a never ending can of technical worms.

Maybe just a quiet word from Barry would carry enough weight !



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There is a time limit to complete your turn... you can do whatever you want with that time. Celebrating is part of the deal.

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There is a time limit to complete your turn... you can do whatever you want with that time. Celebrating is part of the deal. What is the time limit?



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Country: Posts: 1,032Threads: 8Joined: Jun 2014Reputation: 157 Country: ▲ Post: #11 ▼ (08-28-2017, 06:14 PM) Stephane Desart Wrote: (08-28-2017, 01:27 PM) Jugger Wrote: Nope, not a rule I would support, not at all.



There is a time limit to complete your turn... you can do whatever you want with that time. Celebrating is part of the deal. What is the time limit?



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Not completely sure... I thought it was a couple minutes you had to throw and retrieve your darts.

Somebody quoted it from a rule book at some point here... just don't remember who it was Not completely sure... I thought it was a couple minutes you had to throw and retrieve your darts.Somebody quoted it from a rule book at some point here... just don't remember who it was

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Country: Posts: 637Threads: 1Joined: Jan 2015Reputation: 15 Country: ▲ Post: #13 ▼ Darryl Gurney was slow enough retrieving his darts in the Perth semi final against Barney too. In theory I'm not against it per say but it does ruin it a bit as a spectacle on TV. The proof of this for me was the final with Barney and Anderson. No tactics or gamesmanship. It was a joy to watch. Currently throwing 20g Wades badly at an Eclipse Pro









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Country: Posts: 3,415Threads: 36Joined: Jul 2013Reputation: 183 Country: ▲ Post: #14 ▼ (08-28-2017, 08:52 PM) jc14 Wrote: Darryl Gurney was slow enough retrieving his darts in the Perth semi final against Barney too. In theory I'm not against it per say but it does ruin it a bit as a spectacle on TV. The proof of this for me was the final with Barney and Anderson. No tactics or gamesmanship. It was a joy to watch.

Yep, I noticed it too. He was almost walking slow motion to the board to get his darts out and get behind the oche. He had the look of a guy walking up the steps of the gallows for a hanging-------his. Yep, I noticed it too. He was almost walking slow motion to the board to get his darts out and get behind the oche. He had the look of a guy walking up the steps of the gallows for a hanging-------his. Find Reply ElusiveDouble85





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