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Quote: X3paul Originally Posted by So the only thing that made the 1 ser stand out from Audi A3 (a much better designed care we can all agree - even bmw itself doesnt believe in the 1ser design otherwise it would not be making such a huge LCI redisgn to the front) was the fact that it was rwd and a better drivers car. Now with the now infamous bmw no feel esp across the entire range and no rwd, I can only imagine what bmw marketing boys must be going through...



So porsche now make the better drivers cars, merc the more luxurius/confortable and Audi the best looking, where does that leave bmw?



And from your quote the 3ser is still rwd, does that mean in 2 gen it will gor fwd too?



You boys in Munchen really need to start looking within, I can even lend you one of my boys if you need to start making great cars again. Just look at the new MX5 that came out today. Still RWD - not like the future Z a car I was really interested in until I found it will be fwd, smaller (yes bmw not every new gen needs to grow 10cm - someone clearly has a "size issue" in Munchen), and almost 10% lighter than previous gen (bmw saying that a car that weights 2 tonnes like the X5 and saying its lighter than its previous gen and when I read the small lines its only 15kg less!! 15kg yes, thats hardly lighter.

You continue to beat the horse.



Regarding the future Z cars.

You mean the UKL based FWD Z1?



The Z4 becomes the Z5 and will share with a Toyota as will a Z3 Both are RWD.

The engineering schematics for the Carbon intensive architecture is impressive. You are going to see so much for so little with the combined force of BMW and Toyota using all their resources available.



BMW wants to re-invent its Z series sports cars and make them as cutting edge and influential as the BMWi models by visual appearance and state of the art engineering to highlight a new BMW philosophy for sports cars.



Vision ConnectedDrive and 328 Homage concepts are the template for the visuals. Plans also include a slightly massaged three cylinder entirely unique and exclusive in the Z3 Mille Miglia mimicking the classic 328 to provide excellent dynamics using lightweight materials.



But since Toyota are using the joint architecture for a next gen GT86 based Sedan, its one idea under discussion in Munich, essentially a four dr Z model and potentially an SAV Z model. Nothing has come to light yet but it is a niche that BMW are investigating. Going back to the steering issue have you not updated your software via your service department? Many here have and have found improvement?You continue to beat the horse.Regarding the future Z cars.You mean the UKL based FWD Z1?The Z4 becomes the Z5 and will share with a Toyota as will a Z3 Both are RWD.The engineering schematics for the Carbon intensive architecture is impressive. You are going to see so much for so little with the combined force of BMW and Toyota using all their resources available.BMW wants to re-invent its Z series sports cars and make them as cutting edge and influential as the BMWi models by visual appearance and state of the art engineering to highlight a new BMW philosophy for sports cars.Vision ConnectedDrive and 328 Homage concepts are the template for the visuals. Plans also include a slightly massaged three cylinder entirely unique and exclusive in the Z3 Mille Miglia mimicking the classic 328 to provide excellent dynamics using lightweight materials.But since Toyota are using the joint architecture for a next gen GT86 based Sedan, its one idea under discussion in Munich, essentially a four dr Z model and potentially an SAV Z model. Nothing has come to light yet but it is a niche that BMW are investigating.

The M850i is evidence that BMW have got their mojo back when it comes to dynamic sports cars... __________________