An interfaith panel held on April 26, 2017, at Portland State University hosted a variety of individuals who discussed various religious stances. One panelist, a Muslim, stated that apostates and infidels are to be killed or “banished” from a Muslim country.

The student’s statement has been transcribed here:

“And some of this, that you’re referring to, like killing non-Muslims,” he takes a long pause and then looks out at the audience with a grin, “that is only considered a crime when the country’s the law– if the country’s based on Koranic law, that means there is no other law than the Koran, so, in that case you’re giving the liberty to like . . . leave the country. You can go to a different country, I’m not gonna sugarcoat it. So, you can go on [sic] a different country, but in a Muslim country, a country based on the Koranic laws, disbelieving, or being an infidel is not allowed. So you will be given the choice.”

In their world, your choices are death, or to leave the country if you are an apostate.

You can watch the video below:

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.@Portland_State Here is full clip that I recorded. An audience member asked about Quran 5:51 & “infidels.” He summarizes Quran 5:32 just before video starts pic.twitter.com/7FMgsPbFR6 — Andy C. Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) April 27, 2017

The Muslim panelist – who spoke the truth about Islam – was quickly aided by another Muslim from the audience who had to do damage control.

He begins:

“Well, about the part where, um, ‘do not befriend Christians in Muslim countries’, I confidently believe that it is allowed to have different faiths and our evidence for that is we go to – well, first of all, we’ll take it right back to the prophet. When he first established the Muslim country, a Muslim nation, in Medina, the first Muslim civilization, he made a pact with the Jewish people and they had a constitution and an agreement on, for example, if anybody else attacked them, they would all work together and they were all allowed to coexist, and then if we look at, throughout Islamic history, if we look at some of the massacres that ISIS, which I do not believe are Muslim, are committing against some of the minority Christian population and for example, here’s a look at why are there Christians in Syria and Egypt and these countries in the Levant region that were, have been under Muslim rule for the last thousand, five hundred, four hundred years, it’s because non-Muslims were allowed to live there, so it’s perfectly okay for non-Muslims to live in Muslim lands and there’s no– it’s absolutely not allowed to harm them.”

First off, what he claims is a lie. The “constitution” or “agreement” he mentions never existed. The Jews he mentions were the Banu Qurayza tribe, which existed in northern Arabia, and they were killed in the 7th century by Muhammad. Muhammad was illiterate, he could not have crafted a “constitution” if his life depended upon it. This is the fallacious trap Muslims attempt to set when one of their own reveals the truth. What the second Muslim says is in direct contrast to what the first Muslim says.

You can read about this – in brevity – in the Koran, in Surah 33:26: “And he drove down those of the followers of the Book who backed them from their fortresses and He cast awe into their hearts; some you killed and you took captive another part.” The other thing to note about all of this is that the history we are given is a history from the mouths of other Muslims. The lie is deeply set but the truth is out there and in shades of gray admitted by the Muslims through their book.

Ibn Ishaq, a Muslim historian, describes the killing of the Banu Qurayza as follows in his text “The Life of Muhammad”, which was translated by Alfred Guillaume:

Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, “Will you never understand? Don’t you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!” This went on until the apostle made an end of them. Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, “By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.” Then he went to the men and said, “God’s command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.” Then he sat down and his head was struck off.

Another one of the panelists corroborates the video and claims it is NOT taken out of context:

@MrAndyNgo @Portland_State As one of the panelists present at this event I would like to say that this speech is not taken out of context. — Benjamin Ramey (@NikolaosRamey) April 27, 2017

@sahilulu992093 @MrAndyNgo @Portland_State We were all there to demonstrate our own worldview. I think he did just that. — Benjamin Ramey (@NikolaosRamey) April 28, 2017

You can watch Benjamin Ramey speak on the same panel here: