Rebecca and Kevin invite special guests and fellow crime writers Lara Bricker and Toby Ball to talk about Jay's interview with The Intercept and the discussion/debate that's followed.

We also talk about the intellectual guilt of true crime lovers, and Lara's theory that this story is more steeped in drugs than we've been led to believe. Also, Toby plays devil's advocate, and a reddit user gets a big shout out for this thread.

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During this episode, we discuss how The Intercept's Natasha Vargas-Cooper landed the interview with Jay. You can find more on that in this New York Observer story.

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