Lightpala 36 points 2 years ago

he will never find it out, renner is a mastermind like albedo and demi boy here is no way that stupid dog will find it out

]Animus_athame 17 points 2 years ago

I agree they are setting her up to be the Area Guardian of the Kingdom, but I think it will be presented in a way that everyone in Kingdom sees it as the only way and that she will fall under the guise of the benevolent ruler. One who by sacrificing herself to take on this great burden of being the embassy of Nazarick similar to how they did Momon. Though I wonder if the item Albedo is indeed a Race Change Item that many theorize it to be and what impact that will have on the plan.

[–]regiment262 5 points 2 years ago

You know this is kind of unrelated but do you think Renner will be the first person to see that Ainz isn't actually as intelligent as his servant's think? He constantly mentions how he offloads work to Albedo and Demi because he knows they're far more competent than he is, but they can only view him in the highest regard and can only assume he has some sort of ulterior motive or far reaching goal whenever he says something vague. Renner doesn't have these constraints and also isn't really intimidated by the SK's power, only their ability to keep Climb safe. While she might not say anything to Albedo so her position stays solid, I feel like Renner will start to notice Ainz's deficiencies, especially if she becomes an Area Guardian.

]ZiggyZiggurat 16 points 2 years ago

Although it's likely, I do think Renner might mistake him for a genius as well.

Mainly, I feel the knowledge Ainz has as common sense puts him way ahead of others in terms of coming off as insightful. So for example, he quotes something like Lanchester's Laws in Volume 12 to justify his actions. Likewise, he approaches decision making at a high game-theory level of what benefits Nazarick. His paranoia actually shows how cautious he is of the unknown. So he's similar to the Boastful Sage, someone who accidentally invented modern things by just bringing them up, or creating the field of surgery by sharing his knowledge. Ainz likewise, can do the same and by explaining the reason, he'd wow most people. As a player too, he can explain about all of Yggdrasil's magic (he memorized it all), classes, and so on as a true authority. That's already enough to count him as a wise man.

Thus, when Ainz states common sense things like paving roads to faciliatate trade or freeing up labor using undead so people can focus on other Jobs makes him come across as some far-seeing sage since he's used to an industrialized nation with technology. Rather, if he starts bringing up matters of environmental protection, due to his own world's slow demise, others would be shocked since that is not a common concern even for the last century here. Things like that build up and Ainz is actually smarter than he thins given the setting.

No one,, even Renner, can top his mind game PVP knowledge though, and I firmly believe that the Guardians started seeing him as a genius was because they saw how perfectly he manipulated Shalltear. That level of Yomi is ridiculous to even some try hard players. Well, it's mostly thanks to Punitoo Moe, but no one else knows that.

Personally, I see Renner actually looking up to Ainz for various reasons. Unlike his NPCs, he approaches things logically, and it;s true that maximizing profits involves subjugation rather than extermination. So like loaning his undead laborers cements himself as part of society, creates a more productive so ciety, decreases workplace accidents rates by virtue of limiting hard labor jobs, ensures he always has income coming into the near future, and so on. Likewise, his capitalistic knowledge helps you during negotiations. The things is, this gets mentioned in Volume 8, but Nazarick actually sees Ainz as this eccentric genius rather than just a perfect tactician. That is, when Ainz acts derpy like being surprised or doing something odd, they credit it too he's so smart no one could possibly get it. It was something like:

"Ainz hasn't disappointed by showing us the smart seem foolish, and the brave act timid"

So I can see Renner empathizing with him, since she has been misunderstood her whole life. Now here is this misunderstood man who has ideas that trump even her own (probably by accident) so I think she may not be as cold-hearted as Maruyama implies as she is currently only using Nazarick for her own gain. Rather she can see the merit in his more peaceful ideas as being better in the long term unlike the NPCs that just want to genocide and harvest humans and be done with it.

If I had to compare, it's like how Gauss got really excited at Riemann's lecture since he came up with stuff he never thought of. It's like she found another kindred spirit, so someone of her own "race". Maruyama mentions this explicitly as a common mental illness where too talented people in the NW see themselves as evolved forms of their weaker cohort. So people like Clementine acting all psycho since she literally doesn't see people as the same as her, Mr Rape King who doesn't give a rats ass about weak elves, or Fluder who only sees his disciples more as a means to his own goals. They have gone full sociopath and lost empathy since they don't think they are the same species. Which has some basis, Maruyama explains leveling up as a form of evolution. On the other coin, people develop the messiah mental illnees too where they feel obligated to save the weaklings and so on. So it's not all bad.

So I can see Renner thinking of others as these cavemen (lets be real, the Kingdom social structure would make most of us rage too) and now she has 3 people that are similar to her. Though she likely never wanted a peer, it certainly can't hurt to have some since they actually can understand just how smart she is.

Rather, I see Renner thinking of Ainz' lapses in his facade more as those idiosyncrasies.

No idea about Climb though since it can go many different ways.

]Jaradcel 5 points 2 years ago

Building on this, there's also the point that he has the ability to implement the same ideas she has in general (the self same which Jircniv also adopted) but without having "stolen" it from her. She would almost certainly view it as a kindred soul who does the greater good over the short term pain.

–]ZiggyZiggurat 4 points 2 years ago

THIS so hard.

She'd probably think of it as great minds think alike so he gave her unlimited resources for her plans.

Onward toward prosperity!

[–]Jaradcel 4 points 2 years ago

I wonder if that's how Demigoose "got" to her.

Demidemi: Behold the glory of Nazerick! We will bring prosperity to those who belove us, and remove the rot of the nobles! We bring peace to those who bend the knee, and that includes the peasantry as our benevolent Ainz sama decrees.

Renner: gets wet where do I sign up?

–]ZiggyZiggurat 10 points 2 years ago*

It'd be funny if that was the case.

I do think that she hasn't learned of the calcium rich goodness yet though. It was probably something more like:

In a dark room within the Royal Capital, a door is slammed ever so slightly in frustration as a lone girl sits alone drinking tea, the faintest trace of a smile born with toying with insects.

Test successful. I knew this smirk would set her off. Maa~. I wonder when Climb will hurry up with his little walk. He just needs to show me those beautiful eyes.

As the Golden Princess sipped from her exquisite tea cup, there was a movement of shadows in the room despite there not being a change in lighting at all. Hearing a click on the window, Renner prepared her I'm scared of an intruder routine and shifted her seat to throw her tea and make a run to the Royal Guards.

Demi: Please pardon me for the rude interruption Golden Princess Renner Vaisfelf. I ask only for a moment of your time since I myself have some rats to... dispose of from your own property.

Renner turned at the unexpectedly polite voice that ran contrary to the scenario. What she saw was... something not human. In a word, he was immaculatlely dressed, wearing attire from the far south she recognized as a suit. His face had a smirk, but rather than feeling it was mocking her, Renner felt he was genuinely and sincerely expressing his perspective.

Renner: Well... you are pardoned. Please have a seat. I'll hear out your business.

As Renner eyed the seat opposite, making sure to pull-in Climb's seat into the table ensuring that he knew that one was off-limits.

Demi: You have no need to worry Renner.

Renner raised an eyebrow at this.

So he plans not to recognize my social class or my offer. Well he'll be-

Demi: I will say this: you will not be successful treating me like the Neanderthals you usually associate with. Ah. Do not misconstrue that as an attack on your.... toy. I will not begrudge you of your preferrence.

Renner froze, dropping her facade. Although there was no threat, he somehow made her feel attacked.

Oh~ Someone that's not an-

Demi: That's right, I'm no idiot. Allow me to blunt as I said. There are rats in your garden. I'm here to remove them. This is not for your sake. Those vermin bit the one Being they should not have. They may have crawled in the dark, none the wiser to their own folly, but their ignorance does not excuse their sin. This should not interfere with your little.... charade. Better yet, it should weaken the filthy brother and indebt the clueless one to your aims.

At this provocation, rather than feel threatened, a sincere full faced smile spread on the Golden Princess' face, but it was far from one worthy of the title her facade earned.

Renner: Why, that sounds wonderful. Do you require any help in dealing with that filth. Though it pains me to say, I don't have access to poison needed rid them from the flowers. It's high time they stopped gnawing at the buds in the flowerbeds however. I do know of a lonely cat and a doting father in snakeskin that could be of use.

The strange man, rather than alarmed only returned a sincere nod.

Demi: You need not mind. It is my duty to deal with such trash as they are not worth a second more of thought for my Master. Feel free to use this... hunt to your advantage. There will certainly be lots of smoke, yet your dog and dolls shall be fine. This I guarantee.

Renner: My, how wonderful. I think I shall extend my thanks. Pray tell, may I give thanks and apologies for those mosquitoes that did not know their place to your Master?

At this, there was only the slightest pause from Demiurge. Rather than weakness or confusion, it was only the pause one who devotedly served another would make. It was something Climb did often when considering what would be best done for her sake. Rather than sneer though, she smiled as someone like this reminded Renner of her Climb.

Demi: That should not be necessary. Rats will be rats; their lot in life is to be poisoned like the plague they are. Allow me to leave you with a playmate though. Let them know if matters... get obstructive and we shall endeavor to accommodate you as this is your garden. None of your current plays should be compromised while we go about our business but I hope you understand that vermin extermination does not always go cleanly.

A shadow moved from the red-suited man's own into Renner's. For the first time, Renner realized there were more than one pair of eyes on her as the being bowed to her before disappearing.

Renner: My, why thank you for the consideration. May I invite you to tea in the future? Though I may be just a princess, the Kingdom can be more than accommodating for helpful men like yourself.

A friendly smile with no sense of insincerity was on Renner's face as she made the offer. Rather than the fake invitations she sent, for the first time in her life she made one with pure innocence.

Demi: A chance for tea would be delightful. I do hope that you will visit our garden when the time comes, though tea before then is more than fine. We can guarantee even your puppy won't be forced to stay away. Perhaps this simple one can introduce his sagacious Master when the time comes.

Renner: Why, how lovely. Even if this is unwarranted. Allow me to apologize again for rats here getting out of hand. Most certainly they should know better to come near one as exalted as your Master.

Demi: You needn't worry. Now is about time for your puppy to tell you of his day. Do not worry, he was with... an associate so he was in no danger. Consider it a token for having to deal with vermin in the middle of night in your own backyard. Now, then I have matters to address.