Hello and welcome back to Grandhog Day! Last time I believe we saw Australia surge to victory with a curious conquest across the inland sea. Now at long last I bring you a fourth round—who will triumph this time?



My guest narrator /u/Ultra_Worlds will show you the way!

Ultra_Worlds:



As I'm taking over the narration, everyone has settled their second cities except the Nuraghians who seem to struggle to find a good place.

First war! The Nuraghians may have a second city, but they also have a terrible military, and therefore it's easy bait for the stronger North Kyushu.

North Kyushu won't be alone however, as Jacob Morenga will try to take something from the Nuraghians as well. Also there's a small war between Bulgaria and Kongo on the other side.

Seven turns later, Namibia manages to take Losa from Sardus, leaving them with one city, but who will take it?

Elsewhere, Rome wants to expand into Punjab.

And expand they do, as the city of Gujranwala falls down to the Romans. Seems like Singh has a few units, so maybe he can at least flip the city a couple times.

It takes a while until something else notable occurs, but here's the Comanche declaring war on the Philippines, with Cavite el Viejo taking some damage already.

And a while later, it falls to the Comanche who have four cities already, leaving the Philippines as a small city state for now.

Turn 100! That of course means InfoAddicts time, and as we can see, Australia and Wuyue are the two strongest civs, however they're yet to do something with their military, while Namibia is the next strongest civ.

The Comanche have a large lead of food production, followed by the Garamantes.

The Comanche are the most productive civ, while everyone else is awful at producing stuff.

Back to action, we must all ready our keyboards and press the F button, as the first civ falls in the shape of the Philippines. Dang it, haven't even had time to mention the leader's name. In any case, Emilio Aguinaldo gets the 21st place.

Lincoln sees the expansion as a very bad thing and decides to manifest their destiny into Comanche as a punishment.

Lincoln isn't the only one angry, as Levski takes action against the terrible Quanah Parker.

As it turns out, EVERYONE hates the Garamantes for some reason, and despite all of that Djalla in his mighty wisdom also wants to fight Kosovo for whatever reason. Just to the south, Kongo gets to fuck up the Comanche a bit with the siege of Kuhtsutuuka.



Cloudberg's note: Garamantes attacked Kosovo which triggered Kosovo's UA, forcing its friends to declare war on the Garamantes.

Nonetheless, it's Bulgaria who take the city and steal all the credit from the Kongo, in a "fuck you" move to Nzinga.

The Achaemenids, who also are at war with Quanah Parker, cause that's the cool thing to do in this era, take the former Philippine capital of Malolos.

America takes Cavite el Viejo and Megara takes Hupenuu, as the Comanche is left with only their capital. Who'll take it?

Additionally, the Garamantes can sleep soundly in their deserts as peace is made with everyone.

The Garamantes take the Great Wall, which they've built in fear of the war with the entire world.

Once again, we see a classic example of a civ falling to essentially all of their neighbors because they conquered a civ before. Sorry Quanah Parker, you looked promising but instead your reward is 20th place.

Now Bulgaria and Megara go to war, perhaps to fight over the remnants of the Comanche.

It may have took 100 turns, but Kiyomasa makes peace with Sardus.

Only to be declared by everyone else, including Namibia.

Declaring war on Bulgaria is now the newest craze in GHD world, as the Garamantes and Kongo, who are all mad that they took the Comanche capital, while Kongo are still bitter over Kuhtsutuuka.



Cloudberg's note: It was Megara that took the Comanche capital

Bulgaria still is able to make gains as they take Hupenuu and laugh at Megara as they walk away, having declared peace.

It's Rome-Punjab, round 2! Can Rome at long last take Lahore from Punjab?

Kongo at last gets the revenge for Kuhtsutuuka, as it flips earlier but Kongo secure it.

In the east meanwhile, Sardus dies, as Su Nuraxi is taken by Kosovo. 19th place from him, though he could've died much earlier.

Just three turns later, Punjab also joins the death list, as Lahore falls and Singh gets 18th place. Elsewhere, Australia and Mexico go to war.

Canada also goes to war with Mexico, and Guadalajara already takes a hit as Canada seeks to expand.

Bulgaria is losing more and more land, now that Sofia falls to Kongo. Bulgaria's down to three cities, and once again it seems that the main power of the region will fall over.

Guadalajara falls after a short time to Canada, finally we don't need to see Mexico separated by Namibia.

Guess who gets to be conquered this time? That's right, it's the new regional power of Kongo! They're not alone however as people seem to be hating on the Anglo-Norse as well.

Sofia falls over to the Garamantes, right after Bulgaria just recovered it.

You could as well have forgotten this region exists, but alas, the Zunbils and the Achaemenids go to war!

The war between Australia and Mexico proves to be effective as Australia takes Mexico City and Porfirio Diaz fucking dies, taking 17th place.

Australia turns out to be the evil guy as usual, and this means that their also pretty strong neighbor, Wuyue will fight the Aussies to teach them not to mess with other civs (and take a few cities)

Canada declares war on Rif, with Annual being the immediate target. Meanwhile, a bunch of people make peace with Canute.

War with Rif may be good, however Namibia also wants some of that tasty Canadian land, so will Canada be able to survive?

Perhaps they won't, as it takes only three turns for Namibia to flip the city of Guadalajara. Abd el-Krim should really take this opportunity to take a bit of Canada.

The Garamantes take Plovdiv from Bulgaria, meaning that they now have only Comanche cities in control, and if you looked at the messages you'd know already that...

...The Zunbils took Susa from Cyrus! Jaguda may be red but it doesn't matter as all of Cyrus' units seem to be elsewhere.

Aaah, beautiful Australia. I sure won't want anything to happen to the- oh look Namibia and Kongo are getting involved! Mexico City should be an easy grab for Namibia but can Kongo take anything as well?

RIP to the second out of three modern North American civilizations in the game as Canada falls down in 16th place, getting destroyed by Rif.

Kongo do take something from the war, and it seems they can even go perhaps for Melbourne if luck plays to their side!

Namibia meanwhile gets the opposite of what they wanted as Losa falls to Australia.

However Morenga quickly repairs for it by conquering Mexico City, and Losa also looks to be falling soon.

Quick jump to the west shows us that Hupenuu falls to the Garamantes, making Bulgaria a small city state, just like the Comanche have been!

But it's actually the Achaemenids who take Hupenuu after it flips, and Kwaaru Nuu is the next target for Cyrus!

Well, it's only obvious that since the Achaemenids are going to kill Bulgaria soon they'll get declared war by everyone, so here goes the Garamantean and Zunbil

attempt to gain more cities since Kwaaru Nuu should fall to Cyrus.

It may not however, as Hupenuu falls to Djalla, and now Kwaaru Nuu could really go to anyone! Who'll kill Levski?

Before we uncover that exiting question, Melbourne falls to Wuyue in a slight plot twist, leaving only Adelaide, located on a one-tile island to be taken.

Pasargadae falls to the Zunbils, still before anyone takes Bulgaria's city.

Turn 200 stats! The Garamantes have a notable lead in military, followed by Megara and Kosovo who we haven't heard from much.

The Garamantes also lead in technology, while Australia and Wuyue follow by.

Guess who tops this list as well?

Ok so people are mad at Jacob Morenga for mystical reasons, and this means that Rif and Wuyue will now try to erase them from the map.

So as it turns out the Garamantes have made peace with Bulgaria and that's why no one has taken the city yet. I suppose we know who's going to take it now...



You better don't let me down Djalla

Rif starts the war by taking Guadalajara from Namibia, although many units are coming for Canada's former cities.

AT LONG LAST, Bulgaria falls at 15th place, with the next city state, the Achaemenids being up for grabs.

Now it's time for America to die, said Djalla and Jimofuta in unison, as they declare war upon Lincoln.

Ohoho, bet you didn't expect that! I sure didn't. Malolos gets taken by Wuyue, and that means that Cyrus dies in 14th place.

Namibia is still losing, and this time Losa gets taken and burned by Rif and the Wuyue send a bunch of ships to take Mexico City.



Cloudberg's note: Losa was handed over in a peace treaty.

New York falls to the Zunbils, while Kongolese units are chasing Cavite el Viejo.

Oh right, apparently Kongo has only now declared war on Lincoln, my bad. NOW the Kongolese units are chasing Cavite el Viejo.

And indeed it falls down without much of a fight.

Kongo makes peace soon after, receiving the American colonies of Albany and Philly.

The Zunbils finish the job, as Washington becomes a Zunbil city and Lincoln dies at 13th place.

Australia could be the next civ to fall down, with Adelaide surrounded and Wuyue boats being everywhere just after they declare war on them.

Didn't take much at all, and Billy Hughes' Australia is the next civ to fall in 12th place.

It's time for the Zunbils to go to war, as Kongo and the Wuyue declare war on Jimofuta.

Very quickly New York falls to the Kongo, limiting possible expansion routes of the Wuyue.

In a classic peace deal, Rome agrees to give Antium to Djalla, while he goes to fight Namibia.

But Djalla isn't the only one who'll be fighting Namibia, as Abd el-Krim goes for round 2, and Windhoek looks very beautiful this time of year.

But no, it is Namibia who regain Guadalajara, and their men seem to outnumber Rif!

But don't worry, the city flips as it should, and Abd el-Krim ensures that the city will never flip again, ever.

That doesn't help him however as Jacob Morenga pushes even further and takes Montreal. Surely he looks stronger now.

Jumping back to the west front Jimofuta still makes gains as he takes the former capital of the Philippines from Wuyue.

Time for turn 300 stats! Just as last time Djalla leads in military.

He is also the smartest person by a bit.

He also happens to be the most productive by far.

Now that we know who is unarguably the best civ, Namibia gets into a sticky situation as they anger their naval powerhouse of a neighbor, Wuyue.

Although Kongo have somehow got hold of that city, that won't stop Rome from taking the rest of the Megaran cities, though their fleet is very very strong.



Cloudberg's note: the Roman DOW is irrelevant, the subject of the picture is Kongo receiving Megara Hyblaea in a peace treaty.

Seems like another classic peace deal where Mexico City is transferred to Wuyue as Morenga makes peace.

And now it's time for Rif's downfall as the far stronger North Kyushu seek to gain Abd el-Krim's cities.

Look at those unit carpets. They are just absolutely fucking beautiful. Don't you want your civ to have one of those? Oh and there are wars all around with Kosovo, Anglo-Norse, Namibia and Megara.

Megara meanwhile wants to take Megara Hyblaea back and also joins the war against Rif, while Kosovo are the target of war declarations by the Kongo and Rif.

It's the Zunbil-Kongo War v2! Rematch for Jimofuta who looks stronger than ever and wants back New York, and maybe a bit more.

North Kyushu gets involved in wars with Kosovo and Megara, and it seems that Su Nuraxi already gets a bit of HP loss.

The Zunbils retake New York and their old borders are restored.

Megara does something and takes back the lost city from Kongo.

Kongo takes Malolos from Jimofuta, and meanwhile Julius makes peace with Ibrahim.

Namibia and Rif go to another war, with Abd el-Krim wanting revenge. Additionally, Admiral Cloudberg should make a proposal for the World Congress.

Ottawa falls as Namibia at long last gain the Canadian cities, while Rif is now enclosed behind the mountain range.

Wuyue still wants more lands, and their immediate target is Kongo who they declare war on.

Meanwhile, Canute takes the capital of Kosovo from Ibrahim, leaving him with only two cities.

Jimofuta makes good progress with the former Philippine cities, as both Cavite el Viejo and Malolos switch hands from Kongo.

Wuyue takes Sydney, and Kongo is losing on both fronts as of now. All that's missing is Djalla joining in.

So Kosovo managed to recover Pristina, only to fall to North Kyushu, which means nothing really went in their favor with that move

The Wuyue want even more lands, as they join forces with the Anglo-Norse to take some of those Namibian cities.

Kongo recover Sydney for now, but up in the north the Garamantes go to war with both Megara and Kosovo.

Seems like Ibrahim did it for once, he recovered Pristina and he keeps hold of it!

The Wuyue operation meanwhile seems to go against their luck, as Mexico City falls to Namibia.

Maybe it will go for Qian Liu's luck now that Kosovo declares war on Namibia.

This time it's Rome who will fight two civs, joining the fight against Kosovo which essentially means that this whole region is a free-for-all. The Garamantes are also trying to send a few ships to capture Prizren.

The Gatamantes have been successful against Megara, capturing Megara Hyblaea and also gaining Byzantium in the peace deal.

With that everyone's joining against Namibia, whose army seems to have diminished almost entirely. This is also a good opportunity for Abd el-Krim to get revenge.

And revenge he gets with Ottawa switching hands at the first time of asking, with Montreal also taking bits of damage.

Jacob, who's fucked either way makes peace with Wuyue in hopes of survival. Qian Liu however luckily gets to keep Mexico City.

Also in an extremely strategic move, the wise Nzinga decides to give Kuhtsutuuka to Wuyue, indicating a very big brain indeed.

Qian Liu, who's obviously disappointed in having no connections to other cities in his empire decides to change it my attacking Jimofuta.

But the Garamantes may profit more from it as all the Wuyue fleet is fighting over in Zunbil lands, while Djalla is looking particularly strong.



Cloudberg's note: for some reason Wuyue actually declared war on the Garamantes.

That move actually encourages Jimofuta to try and gain something from the Garamantes, and I'm not quite too sure anymore who's fighting who.

I am relieved as bordergore is at long last erased on this front as Djalla takes Kuhtsutuuka.

Here's a look at the primarily Kongo island. Seems like Djalla gained Chalcedon from Megara as well.

Namibia makes peace with North Kyushu, and, as you do, Jacob gives Montreal away to Kiyomasa in the peace deal.

Turn 425 stats! Seems like someone missed the turn 400 stats... Anyway, just as last time the Garamantes lead in military.

And in technologies

And in production.

And they want to retain the lead with the occupation of Malolos from the Zunbils, although that should be all for the war between Djalla and Jimofuta.

As the Garamantes and Wuyue make peace, Djalla can concentrate on one goal - turning Kongo into his own holiday resort. And also taking their northern island in the edge of the map.



Cloudberg's note: The Garamantes and Kongo are not at war. Djalla took Sydney from Wuyue

Namibia and Wuyue go to war yet again which gives Rif an advantage which is that they can breathe and not die, most likely. With Namibia on two cities however they are in a quite sticky situation.

My bad, the Rif can't breathe as, well, actually they declare war on North Kyushu. Weird, but still Kiyomasa declares war on Namibia who are losing lots of units pretty quickly.

As it turns out, the declaration of war on Kiyomasa was a wise move, with Montreal back to Rif hands and North Kyushu doesn't look particularly strong.

Namibia is diminished to a single city now, with Kactchanas being captured by Qian Liu, with more units heading towards Windhoek.

Djalla has had enough of that stinky city in his Megaran peninsula, and therefore, it is time to eliminate them from contention. Caesar can join as well.

But before Megara dies, the Wuyue eliminate Jacob Morenga's Namibia at long last at 11th place. Mostly doing back-and-forths with Rif and Wuyue, they deservedly earn the middle spot, as we're down to the last 10.

Canute declares war on Kosovo, despite being declared upon by two other civs. Seems like a reoccurring theme this game.



Cloudberg's note: It's just Kosovo's UA triggering again.

Likewise here, Jimofuta declares war upon the Wuyue however Qian Liu does the same on Kosovo.



Cloudberg's note: same shit!

And now we have our 10th place elimination, Theaganes dies after doing nothing really notable through the entire game.

Seems like it's simply Jimofuta wanting to kill everyone, while everyone wants to kill Kosovo. Very curious. Fine, perhaps Jimofuta doesn't want to meddle with Canute but still.



Cloudberg's note: these two observations are deeply related

And Su Nuraxi falls to Wuyue, as a Kosovar city falls at long last, to someone.

And it doesn't stop there, as Rome takes over Pristina, seemingly with a Praetorian. Impressive.

And seven turns later, it is Qian Liu who blows the final hit upon Ibrahim, who occupies 9th spot.

This move angers Djalla and Kiyomasa, who very much wanted to take Prizren and be the ones who killed Kosovo. On a similar note Djalla's army looks very scary. I'd be pissing my pants if I were Qian Liu.

Turn 500 stats bring us no news at all.



Cloudberg's note: The Zunbils in second is at least noteworthy.

Nothing new here as well.

Nor here.

So Kiyomasa does get Prizreni in the end, just that he doesn't kill a civ with that action.

Quickly after, Prizren is given back to Wuyue in a peace deal which basically goes to show that this war has been useless and you could've just asked Djalla to do the whole thing.

Kiyomasa's expansion adventures don't stop there, as he wants to take the former Kosovar capital, Pristina from Rome.

Djalla turns his attention elsewhere for the moment, as he wants to do the impossible and kill off Jimofuta.

And very quickly Cavite el Viejo goes down without a fight really.

Soon after it's New York that falls to Djalla.

Meanwhile the Wuyue take this special opportunity to steal Kabasa and perhaps M'banza Kongo before Djalla notices.

Either way it is too late for Djalla to notice cause Kongo mainland is taken by Qian Liu. They aren't dead yet, however, Nzinga has some colonies in the corner.

Speaking of those colonies, one of them is Wuyue now, after Nzinga gives it to Qian Liu in the peace deal.

Yep, everyone's mad at Jimofuta for declaring war on everyone before. Maybe there'll be some progress now then.

There is, as we see an unlikely collaboration project between Wuyue and the Garamantes in order to bring the downfall of the Zunbils.

Ok so not exactly, Djalla just takes those cities when Qian Liu had no units in the region. Smart move.

Meanwhile it's the chance for Kiyomasa to well and truly kill Nzinga before Djalla notices.

Djalla makes peace now being in possession of most Zunbil cities, except one. Djalla can't bring things to end, just like I can't finish the narration for this part.



Cloudberg;s note: It took him like a week to write it but that's okay

Anyway this is the war we all have been waiting for! Djalla is clearly stronger, however maybe Qian Liu could pull off something?

Nah, who am I kidding, he can't pull off something. With the two Kongolese cities falling, the winner is starting to shape up in the western half on the continent.

Philadelphia is taken, however there's still a way for Djalla to take all of Nzinga's possessions.

Turn 600 stats, and the Garamantes still lead.

Look, a list where the Garamantes aren't top! Well, kinda, They're tied with Wuyue on techs discovered, but they have a huge lead over next place Rif.

Nothing surprising here.

The Wuyue quickly realize that they should have prepared for the war, as their number of cities is diminishing.

It's the World's Fair, and guess who, of all civs, could've won that one.

The small island city of Adelaide is also taken by Djalla, so that's one of the harder cities to take off the list.

Peace is made at that point however, with Prizreni also being gifted to Djalla.

Qian Liu desperately needs some more land to have some chance against the next inevitable war against Djalla.

He seems to be doing well in that particular from with half of the Rif cities falling over to Wuyue.

Wuyue are making further progress and take Annual, although as it turns out Rif also has that island near them which they own, so extra work for Qian Liu.

It's that war again, perhaps Kiyomasa could take something this time?

Meanwhile Djalla will attempt to take over Zamindawar this turn, and with their completed Manhattan Project, it doesn't sound unlikely at all.

On the other side Annual is being razed to the ground while Ajdir is at 0 HP, with RIf's only healthy settlement being in that island.

Jimofuta goes down at 8th place after a very long time, having fought very well earlier on but as with most civs right now, it was Djalla that brought him down.

Ajdir is taken by Qian Liu, eliminating any hopes of Kiyomasa taking anything from Rif, who are down to one city.

Fucks sake they're two cities, I'm a humiliation. Anyway, Qian Liu takes Tamasint away, and now, unless I'm blind or something, Rif are definitely down to the last city.

Which promptly falls after some 8 turns, and it is Qian Liu who eliminates Abd el-Krim's Rif at 7th place. Pretty nice for a civ that's been stuck with a few cities for most of the game, though so was Kongo and they're still in.

Speaking of Kongo, they're also down to their last city, as Kiyomasa takes Loango, leaving Nzinga with only Albany.

Some insignificant stats, we all know who tops the lists.

Yea I'm gonna start posting facts about the Garamantes every time info addicts shows up from now on.



Cloudberg's note: Sorry, it's protocol

The Garamantes (aɣrem in Berber language which means a castle) are a civilisation and tribe mentioned by Herodotus. They are thought to correspond to Iron Age Berber tribes in the southwest of ancient Libya.

Kiyomasa has only one goal for himself - being the person who eliminates Kongo. Shouldn't be too hard.

And indeed it does fall, with Nzinga leaving in 6th place as Albany falls to North Kyushu.

Kiyomasa is still not content with his empire's size - he wants those Roman lands and especially the Kosovar capital which has been on his sight for quite a while now.

No words need to be said, the city falls and peace is made.

This time it's Canute who declares war on Rome with Lahore which is a bit low on HP right now being damaged already.

In retrospect it may have not been the wisest choice for Canute, who's chances are looking pretty slim right now with Kiyomasa chasing him.

Lundenburh is the first to fall as it converts into a Roman city (and becomes Londinium)

Ribe is the next city to fall to Julius, while Roskilde is already taking bits of damage from Kiyomasa.

Quickly afterwards it falls and the civ that takes 5th place shall be Cunt's Anglo-Norses who have done mostly nothing this game.

Guess who's in space then

The Garamantes constituted a local power between roughly 500 BC and 700 AD.

They used qanat irrigation systems, and founded a number of kingdoms or city-states in the Fezzan area of Libya, in the Sahara desert.

There is little textual information about them, their epigraphy being "...a still nearly indecipherable proto-Tifaniq, the script of modern-day Tuaregs."

It's time for everyone's favorite time - World War! Anyone can win and anyone can lose, maybe except the Garamantes though.

Oh my god that is an insane Kyushuan carpet, poor Philly.

Kiyomasa even pushes in the Roman front, as he takes Ribe from Julius.

Seems like this war isn't going as planned for Djalla, who has Melbourne taken by Wuyue and Adelaide presumably on the way as well.

On the other hand, Djalla is making some good effors in Roman lands as Julius loses his capital and a few other cities, with Cumae on it's way

Djalla has also managed to repel the insane Kyushuan carpet and takes Albany, being one step away from full control over the island.

It's the fall of Rome as Cum-ayyy and that Punjabi city all fall to Djalla's domain, with only Londinium remaining.

Djalla does also recover a few of the lost cities, while Qian Liu's units are dwindling in their size.

Qian Liu does make a few gains however as Yatsushiro switches hands to Wuyue.

The island is in full Garamantean control! How long have I been waiting for that...

More progress in North Kyushu, where the progress goes towards Qian Liu, whu basically takes as much as he can before he meets Djalla on the other end.

Kiyomasa has his capital fall to Qian Liu! Nonetheless that shouldn't stop Djalla from taking over Wuyue whom now he borders in the north as well.

This irrelevant island is also taken by the Garamantes, who now controls all islands but one.

Looking on the side, Djalla makes gains on the mainland as well while Wuyue gains Prizreni. It looks very bad for Kiyomasa as of now.

It is Djalla who takes those cities as well however, and Djalla now looks to take the last few Kyushuan cities.

Although a few flips still happen, that doesnt stop the fact that Kiyomasa is essentially dead right now.

Rome falls at long last, as Londinium becomes a city with a Berber sounding name, and Julius Caesar dies, taking 4th place. Just like his Viking neighbour he hasn't done much this game except killing Punjab.

A few more flips occur, but the main fact is that the only remaining North Kyushuan city is Roskilde and it's in low red, so as you can expect in the next slide...

Roskilde falls (and so does Kurume) and that means that Kiyomasa is a person of the past and at last I won't be having to remember his name and accidentally spelling it as Koyumisi. Anyway he's 3rd place and we're down to the final showdown!

Xifu falls, Wuyue's capital falls and basically Djalla has won this game already. But let's keep it running for a bit shall we?

That's the reason we do that. Wuyue somehow still takes a couple of cities.

Nonetheless Djalla almighty drops the A-Bomb on Su Nuraxi and Yatsushiro and also takes those cities.

The Wuyue lands are looking very weak, it's basically a guaranteed victory for Djalla now.

Adelaide flips but so does Yatsushiro...

Mexico city falls, and lots of cities are taking damage...

Xifu and Yuezhou fall as well, however at the cost of Mexico City flipping.

Ajdir, Kactchanas and Mexico City are firmly in Garamantean hands, with only a few cities remaining now...

Windhoek falls, that means only Canadian and Rif cities remain for the taking!

Montreal and Ajdir fall as we draw towards the end...

And it's done! Djalla is in possession of every capital and that means he wins this round of GHD! Good job Djalla, keep it up me boi. Anyway it was a joy to narrate this part of GHD and hope you all have a pleasant day. Ciao!



Cloudberg: Back to me for the final slide and current score.

Thanks Ultra for your excellent narration! The score now stands as follows:



The Zunbils: 1

The United States: 1

Australia: 1

The Garamantes: 1



Thanks for reading! I have all the rounds of Mk. 11 filmed so at this point it's just a matter of how fast I can get them out.