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| 2015-02-06 14:51:49 | pierc_logbot | |

| 2015-02-06 14:51:58 | Dannox | hey |

| 2015-02-06 14:52:06 | Momma-Says | Hai |

| 2015-02-06 14:52:08 | Dannox | testing a logbot like they have for trillek |

| 2015-02-06 14:52:28 | Momma-Says | fun |

| 2015-02-06 15:02:15 | pierc_logbot | |

| 2015-02-06 15:03:47 | Dannox | By the way, grats on the bacon gamejam thing. |

| 2015-02-06 15:04:04 | Belbertn | thanks :) |

| 2015-02-06 15:07:14 | pierc_logbot | |

| 2015-02-06 15:08:27 | Belbertn | afk for a bit |

| 2015-02-06 15:11:53 | Momma-Says | |

| 2015-02-06 15:11:54 | Momma-Says | Client exited |

| 2015-02-06 15:12:01 | Momma-Says | |

| 2015-02-06 15:23:04 | Hydrothermal-AFK | Hydrothermal |

| 2015-02-06 15:31:02 | pierc_logbot | |

| 2015-02-06 15:31:22 | Hydrothermal | Done. |

| 2015-02-06 15:31:42 | Momma-Says | yay |

| 2015-02-06 15:57:03 | Belbertn | Ping timeout |

| 2015-02-06 15:57:03 | Bel | |

| 2015-02-06 16:04:52 | Bel | Quit: Leaving |

| 2015-02-06 16:05:00 | Belbertn | |

| 2015-02-06 16:50:52 | rubberdong | |

| 2015-02-06 16:51:00 | rubberdong | Quit: rubberdong |

| 2015-02-06 18:26:01 | Belbertn | 1,5 hours to the meeting right? |

| 2015-02-06 18:28:31 | Dannox | its 6:28 utc |

| 2015-02-06 18:28:33 | Dannox | meeting at 8 |

| 2015-02-06 18:30:14 | Belbertn | ok, reddit is down for me so I had to ask |

| 2015-02-06 18:30:35 | Dannox | odd, works for me |

| 2015-02-06 18:30:41 | CrazyRocketEngin | reddit servers are pretty fragile these days... |

| 2015-02-06 18:30:52 | Belbertn | works for me again |

| 2015-02-06 18:31:08 | Belbertn | yeah, theyve been having problems |

| 2015-02-06 18:31:36 | Dannox | I get occasional server errors, but never lasts more than a minute |

| 2015-02-06 18:31:37 | CrazyRocketEngin | I just watched the last episode of Star Trek Voyager... now I have nothing to do |

| 2015-02-06 18:31:38 | Belbertn | its because the new "We couldnt lod the page" image is higher res |

| 2015-02-06 18:31:57 | Belbertn | watch battlestar galactica |

| 2015-02-06 18:32:06 | CrazyRocketEngin | No Star Trek, No Reddit, what am I gonna do now... :D |

| 2015-02-06 18:32:09 | CrazyRocketEngin | Watched that already |

| 2015-02-06 18:32:16 | Belbertn | or sherlock the tv series |

| 2015-02-06 18:32:37 | Belbertn | its REALLY good |

| 2015-02-06 18:35:59 | CrazyRocketEngin | I guess I'll study for math instead^^ |

| 2015-02-06 18:38:02 | Belbertn | probably the better option |

| 2015-02-06 18:38:28 | Dannox | Firefly is an option too |

| 2015-02-06 18:40:18 | Momma-Says | I recommend the Vikings tv show |

| 2015-02-06 18:40:35 | Dannox | Never seen that, but I always hear good things about it |

| 2015-02-06 18:40:59 | Momma-Says | amazon has the first 2 seasons |

| 2015-02-06 18:44:13 | mib_vg6g94 | |

| 2015-02-06 18:47:03 | mib_vg6g94 | dan |

| 2015-02-06 18:56:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | hiiii dan |

| 2015-02-06 19:00:29 | Belbertn | btw when we are going to decide on what game to make, should we organize it in some way so everyone doesnt just spam ideas |

| 2015-02-06 19:50:26 | Momma-Says | what's wrong with idea spam? |

| 2015-02-06 19:52:54 | Dannox | gets kinda cluttered I guess |

| 2015-02-06 19:53:50 | Belbertn | I think we should do a quick discussion on each idea or write them all down and then everyone rates them. of course the guy who came up with the idea has to explain it |

| 2015-02-06 19:57:14 | Dannox | One of those artillery tank style games wouldn't be too impossible |

| 2015-02-06 19:57:20 | Dannox | like worms or something |

| 2015-02-06 19:59:22 | Belbertn | Quit: Leaving |

| 2015-02-06 19:59:27 | Belbertn | |

| 2015-02-06 20:00:00 | CrazyRocketEngin | Ping timeout |

| 2015-02-06 20:00:12 | CrazyRocketEngin | |

| 2015-02-06 20:00:28 | Belbertn | I think first we need to agree on when to set the deadline and the size of the game |

| 2015-02-06 20:00:51 | Momma-Says | Is it meeting time? |

| 2015-02-06 20:01:03 | Dannox | it's 4 my time, 8 utc. So I think so |

| 2015-02-06 20:01:39 | Belbertn | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:04:53 | Hydrothermal | Official start time was about five minutes ago. |

| 2015-02-06 20:05:00 | Hydrothermal | We'll start shortly if nobody else shows up. |

| 2015-02-06 20:05:36 | Momma-Says | All the cool kids are here |

| 2015-02-06 20:05:42 | dan | hellooo |

| 2015-02-06 20:05:55 | Momma-Says | Howdy Dan |

| 2015-02-06 20:06:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | heyo |

| 2015-02-06 20:06:06 | Belbertn | hey! |

| 2015-02-06 20:06:15 | Dannox | hello |

| 2015-02-06 20:07:53 | dan | hi everyone how are you doing?? |

| 2015-02-06 20:08:03 | CrazyRocketEngin | pretty good, you? |

| 2015-02-06 20:08:04 | Dannox | im doing good |

| 2015-02-06 20:08:56 | dan | aww nice! |

| 2015-02-06 20:09:15 | dan | im actually in p miserable pain right now but itll hopefully go away soon |

| 2015-02-06 20:09:25 | Belbertn | aww? |

| 2015-02-06 20:09:34 | Belbertn | whats wrong? |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:03 | dan | awww my stomach is doing weird things |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:33 | CrazyRocketEngin | :( |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:38 | dan | aww <3 |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:39 | Dannox | At least you're not crapping yellow goo. |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:45 | dan | i will survive this |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:46 | dan | haha |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:46 | Dannox | Doctors appt. Tuesday. |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:47 | Belbertn | to many gifflar does that to you |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:51 | dan | yeah it could be worse haha |

| 2015-02-06 20:12:55 | dan | hahaha |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:16 | CrazyRocketEngin | I'll pray to the all mighty Cthulhu for you :D |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:22 | Dannox | Have you tried pepto bismol? |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:23 | dan | aw ive been searching for gifflar in germany but they apparently dont have them yet in southern germany |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:30 | dan | it makes me sad |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:37 | CrazyRocketEngin | my local rewe doesn't sell them anymore either :( |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:45 | dan | aww mine neither |

| 2015-02-06 20:13:58 | dan | maybe its only edeka |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:00 | CrazyRocketEngin | they had it for like 2 days then all Gifflar was gone :( |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:01 | Momma-Says | just need some good whiskey. it'll cure what ails you |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:09 | Belbertn | would think CREs consumption of gifflar would be enough to keep the whole chain alive |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:13 | Momma-Says | and if it doesn't you won't care |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:19 | CrazyRocketEngin | I thought that too |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:30 | dan | aww haha |

| 2015-02-06 20:14:51 | dan | aww i thought everyone in germany loved everything with the swedish flag on it |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:30 | dan | ive been searching forever |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:32 | Momma-Says | what is gifflar? some kind of cookie? cinnamon roll? |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:36 | dan | its like uh |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:48 | dan | very small cinnamon rolls?? |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:49 | Belbertn | cinnamon roll |

| 2015-02-06 20:15:58 | Momma-Says | ok |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:07 | Dannox | You europeans with your odd names for everything. |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:14 | dan | but they dont have to be cinnamon rolls like there are like vanilla and such too |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:22 | Belbertn | we need a Gifflar fund for our american members |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:28 | dan | uhuu |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:46 | Belbertn | the cinnamon are the only ones you should really talk about |

| 2015-02-06 20:16:58 | dan | yeah p much |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | agree |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:08 | CrazyRocketEngin | cinnamon for live |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:08 | dan | the saffron ones dont exist |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:22 | CrazyRocketEngin | they would probably be quite expensive^^ |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:24 | Belbertn | the rest are an abomination to the name Gifflar |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:36 | dan | werent there like one with apples |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:47 | dan | i think i had something like that |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:49 | dan | or pears |

| 2015-02-06 20:17:58 | Belbertn | I think sweden has more flavours than the rest of the wrold |

| 2015-02-06 20:18:00 | Belbertn | world* |

| 2015-02-06 20:18:08 | dan | haha |

| 2015-02-06 20:18:18 | Belbertn | you're their lab rats |

| 2015-02-06 20:18:18 | dan | theyre not as good as cinnamon though |

| 2015-02-06 20:19:14 | Dannox | Cinnamon makes everything good. |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:17 | dan | what happened to the meeting?? |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:27 | Belbertn | yeah should we start now? |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:32 | Dannox | I think so |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:38 | Momma-Says | I thought Hydro was running things... |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:45 | Dannox | Wake up hydro |

| 2015-02-06 20:20:58 | Belbertn | he mentioned waiting a bit/he asked if we should wait |

| 2015-02-06 20:21:51 | Hydrothermal | I am summoned. |

| 2015-02-06 20:21:57 | Momma-Says | :) |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:02 | Hydrothermal | Everybody agree 20 minutes has been long enough to wait? |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:12 | Momma-Says | yep |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:15 | Belbertn | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:15 | dan | yep |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:29 | Dannox | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:22:58 | Hydrothermal | Okay. Meeting begins now. Let's try to keep on-topic and avoid digressing too far. |

| 2015-02-06 20:23:02 | Hydrothermal | This shouldn't last more than an hour. |

| 2015-02-06 20:23:14 | Dannox | Whats first on the agenda |

| 2015-02-06 20:23:37 | Hydrothermal | It's unfortunate that we don't have more people here, but we'll make do. |

| 2015-02-06 20:23:47 | Hydrothermal | First up is identifying who we have available and how available they are. |

| 2015-02-06 20:23:59 | Belbertn | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nmwexxzgTx03y6TrY0O8qzESsd0NX9pl7ofPVqGS9lw/edit# |

| 2015-02-06 20:24:11 | Hydrothermal | How much time can each of you devote to MAVG over the next month? |

| 2015-02-06 20:24:53 | Dannox | 4-8 hours a week wouldn't be too hard on my schedule. |

| 2015-02-06 20:24:57 | Momma-Says | I can do a few hours a week |

| 2015-02-06 20:25:10 | Belbertn | a lot :p |

| 2015-02-06 20:25:11 | Momma-Says | 4-5 easily |

| 2015-02-06 20:25:15 | CrazyRocketEngin | 2 hours a week, maybe more |

| 2015-02-06 20:25:41 | dan | ummm |

| 2015-02-06 20:25:44 | Hydrothermal | I can probably do 6-8 hours per week, maybe less. |

| 2015-02-06 20:26:01 | dan | maybe 2-3 hours a week |

| 2015-02-06 20:26:04 | Belbertn | 8 hours |

| 2015-02-06 20:26:44 | Belbertn | a week of course |

| 2015-02-06 20:26:57 | dan | it depends on my work schedule but i dont want to say more than that |

| 2015-02-06 20:27:05 | Hydrothermal | Does everybody here know what everybody else does/can do? |

| 2015-02-06 20:27:45 | Dannox | Programmer, mainly a python/web stuff kinda guy, but learning C++ and know a fair bit of JAva |

| 2015-02-06 20:28:01 | dan | i think its best i spend my hours drawing |

| 2015-02-06 20:28:09 | Momma-Says | I'm learning javascript and GIMP. Total newb |

| 2015-02-06 20:28:24 | CrazyRocketEngin | Programmer, c# <3333 but I know js, html, css, I can do some small art stuff aswell (but nothing big) |

| 2015-02-06 20:28:42 | Belbertn | what cre said |

| 2015-02-06 20:28:49 | Dannox | Js would be nice. There's plenty of engines out there for it. |

| 2015-02-06 20:29:02 | Hydrothermal | I live and breathe the web stack (see: JavaScript). I can also contribute to music, sound, art, organization, and whatever else needs more hands on it. |

| 2015-02-06 20:30:48 | Hydrothermal | As a note to the community (which, at the moment, is apparently comprised solely of Dannox), we will no longer have teams. |

| 2015-02-06 20:31:00 | Dannox | Thank god. |

| 2015-02-06 20:31:12 | Momma-Says | Halleluia |

| 2015-02-06 20:31:41 | Hydrothermal | We'll still be flairing posts on the sub with regards to what the focus is, but people aren't going to be sorted into groups based on skills. |

| 2015-02-06 20:32:13 | Dannox | Good plan. Caused no end of trouble last time. |

| 2015-02-06 20:32:39 | Hydrothermal | This also means we'll be moving towards a development structure based off of assigning and accepting tasks based on individual skill and availability. |

| 2015-02-06 20:32:54 | Momma-Says | +1 |

| 2015-02-06 20:32:57 | dan | i like that |

| 2015-02-06 20:33:02 | Dannox | sounds nice |

| 2015-02-06 20:33:02 | Hydrothermal | It also obviously means we won't have any team leads or people in charge of specific divisions of labor. |

| 2015-02-06 20:33:36 | Dannox | Is there at least a single guy we all answer to like cre or something? |

| 2015-02-06 20:33:54 | Belbertn | all hail the crazy german |

| 2015-02-06 20:33:54 | Momma-Says | someone has to create the tasks |

| 2015-02-06 20:34:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | hail hydra |

| 2015-02-06 20:34:08 | CrazyRocketEngin | *hydro |

| 2015-02-06 20:34:11 | Hydrothermal | :) |

| 2015-02-06 20:35:10 | CrazyRocketEngin | As I said, I can only spend about 2 hours a week on MAVG, so choosing me as a the guy to answer to is probably not the best idea |

| 2015-02-06 20:35:21 | Dannox | thats a good point. |

| 2015-02-06 20:35:22 | Hydrothermal | Who needs to answer to who is what we're discussing now. |

| 2015-02-06 20:35:46 | Hydrothermal | Once we determine what game we're making and what assets we need, we're going to need somebody or somebodies in charge of managing and organizing development. |

| 2015-02-06 20:37:35 | Dannox | So does anyone have game ideas? |

| 2015-02-06 20:37:40 | Belbertn | I'll volunteer if no one else wants to |

| 2015-02-06 20:38:47 | Belbertn | making task lists etc |

| 2015-02-06 20:38:59 | Hydrothermal | I don't see any other hands going up, so your volunteering is accepted. I'll support you on organization and absorbing any artifacts you need put somewhere. |

| 2015-02-06 20:39:42 | Hydrothermal | Before we talk about the game itself, what are our organization points? |

| 2015-02-06 20:39:55 | Momma-Says | I'd volunteer but it needs to be someone who knows what the tasks are |

| 2015-02-06 20:39:57 | Hydrothermal | We have a GitHub repo (https://github.com/MAVG-Programmers), but what else? |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:06 | Hydrothermal | Do we still want to use the sub-subreddits? |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:10 | Dannox | I'd say a github repo and a google drive/dropbox thingy would be plenty |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:10 | CrazyRocketEngin | no |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:14 | Belbertn | nah |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:22 | Momma-Says | it worked well for music |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:38 | Momma-Says | but tagged posts are fine too |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:40 | Dannox | sub-subs maybe had a use when we had like 200 guys, but now it's pointless |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:45 | Hydrothermal | I'm against the sub-subs, at least for now. Splitting us down to that level with the tiny group we have right now is too much division. |

| 2015-02-06 20:40:56 | CrazyRocketEngin | agreed |

| 2015-02-06 20:41:00 | Momma-Says | concur |

| 2015-02-06 20:41:07 | Belbertn | agreed |

| 2015-02-06 20:42:02 | Hydrothermal | I already have a MAVG Google account in place; does anybody have any objections to using this as a file storage location? |

| 2015-02-06 20:42:12 | Hydrothermal | Using its Google Drive, that is. |

| 2015-02-06 20:42:17 | Dannox | No objections here. |

| 2015-02-06 20:42:21 | Belbertn | we have a deviantArt group too |

| 2015-02-06 20:42:52 | Dannox | Deviantart doesn't really work that well for WIPs afaik |

| 2015-02-06 20:43:08 | Momma-Says | what he said |

| 2015-02-06 20:43:36 | Momma-Says | we are working on a solution to that, but it's not finished. |

| 2015-02-06 20:43:46 | Hydrothermal | I think dA is better suited for showing off finished pieces and concept art than as a rally point. |

| 2015-02-06 20:43:59 | Dannox | Yeah, I'm thinking we just shove the psds up on a google drive. |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:00 | Momma-Says | ^what he said |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:06 | Momma-Says | works |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:23 | Hydrothermal | Okay, cool. |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:27 | Hydrothermal | Now we can talk game(s). |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:44 | Hydrothermal | Before everybody jumps into the ballpit, let's define some hard guidelines. |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:53 | Hydrothermal | It needs to be simple. Exceedingly simple. |

| 2015-02-06 20:44:58 | Hydrothermal | Absurdly, excessively, ridiculously simple. |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:12 | Dannox | Simple is good. |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:12 | Belbertn | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:13 | Hydrothermal | No Bastion or GTA 69 here. |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:38 | Momma-Says | Space Invaders but Vikings |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:49 | Dannox | Procedurally generated infinite runner |

| 2015-02-06 20:45:52 | Hydrothermal | This is going to be our MAVG 2: Electric Boogaloo maiden voyage proof of concept. |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:05 | Hydrothermal | It pretty much just needs to qualify as a videogame. |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:35 | Hydrothermal | Also keep in mind who we have available, which is pretty much a couple of programmers, an artist (albeit an amazing one), and I guess like two management people. |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:48 | Dannox | Pong? |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:50 | CrazyRocketEngin | A game where you control a chopper. Press Space to increase your height, release space to let gravity pull you down |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:54 | Hydrothermal | Whoever else is still around hopefully will pitch in, but don't count on it. |

| 2015-02-06 20:46:59 | Hydrothermal | With all that in mind, start brainstorming. |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:03 | CrazyRocketEngin | the goal is to evade barriers |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:04 | Dannox | We could totally do a flappy clone. |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:20 | Belbertn | of the ones suggested I like space invaders best |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:35 | Dannox | I made a shitty galaga clone in java for my final project last year |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:41 | Dannox | got everything working except the divebombing |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:41 | Belbertn | Blanket Forts |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:44 | Hydrothermal | I support Space Invaders But With Vikingsâ„¢, if only to get Momma to get my dealer to hurry up. |

| 2015-02-06 20:47:54 | Momma-Says | :) |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:30 | Dannox | So would the vikings be the enemy, or you |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:35 | Hydrothermal | Yes. |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:38 | Momma-Says | Enemy |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:40 | Dannox | and if so, who are the vikings fighting |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:40 | dan | haha |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:47 | Momma-Says | little farmers at the bottom |

| 2015-02-06 20:48:59 | dan | scots |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:00 | Hydrothermal | I take it that makes copter/Flappy Bird clone and SIBWV our two options? |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:02 | Hydrothermal | Votes? |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:18 | Belbertn | wut? |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:24 | Dannox | Flappy space invaders. Both. |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:47 | Belbertn | Space invaders vote from me |

| 2015-02-06 20:49:58 | Hydrothermal | I'm for Space Invaders as well. |

| 2015-02-06 20:50:28 | CrazyRocketEngin | Flappy/Copter |

| 2015-02-06 20:51:19 | Belbertn | I just dont think flappy would be fun enough when finished |

| 2015-02-06 20:51:33 | CrazyRocketEngin | but it's easier to program |

| 2015-02-06 20:51:46 | Dannox | Why not robot unicorn style |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:00 | Hydrothermal | Dan, Momma? |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:02 | Dannox | Same controls as flappy, but with platforms as opposed to pipes, and a dash button |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:02 | Belbertn | we can determine style after we've determined the game |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | flappy unicorn? |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:36 | Dannox | http://youtu.be/OdPXskJBFl4?t=28s |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:40 | Dannox | this kinda thing |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:41 | dan | unicorns... |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:56 | dan | i like unicorns |

| 2015-02-06 20:52:57 | Dannox | art style not important, just the mechanic |

| 2015-02-06 20:53:03 | Hydrothermal | Concept first, guys. |

| 2015-02-06 20:53:28 | dan | you can choose im for everything thats solid |

| 2015-02-06 20:53:46 | Hydrothermal | Assuming Momma votes for Space Invaders, I think we're settled on that. |

| 2015-02-06 20:54:27 | Hydrothermal | All protestors, speak now or forever hold your peace. |

| 2015-02-06 20:54:37 | CrazyRocketEngin | *silently protests* |

| 2015-02-06 20:54:48 | CrazyRocketEngin | I don't like space invaders^^ |

| 2015-02-06 20:55:01 | Hydrothermal | Maybe our next one will be Flappy Unicorn. We'll see. |

| 2015-02-06 20:55:24 | Dannox | Space invaders doesn't have to be boring. Think of the japanese bullet hell types. |

| 2015-02-06 20:55:40 | Hydrothermal | Or we could just do 2048 Flappy Invaders Bros to go for the knockoff game combo high score. |

| 2015-02-06 20:55:40 | dan | space invaders first and flappy unicorn as a second game idea? |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:03 | Hydrothermal | Moving on. What are we making it with? |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:07 | Momma-Says | sorry was checking on my pizza |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:17 | Dannox | My vote is for phaser or panda javascript engines. |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:17 | Belbertn | javascript + canvas? |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:18 | Hydrothermal | It sounds like all the programmers here are experienced with JavaScript, and one guy on the sub mentioned that too. |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:24 | CrazyRocketEngin | I'm all for JS & Canvas |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:26 | Hydrothermal | Commkeen, it was. |

| 2015-02-06 20:56:58 | Hydrothermal | I'm a nut for building everything from scratch, but that's likely not feasible. |

| 2015-02-06 20:57:06 | Dannox | there's lots of engines for js |

| 2015-02-06 20:57:12 | Dannox | lime is another |

| 2015-02-06 20:57:39 | Momma-Says | js + canvas |

| 2015-02-06 20:57:55 | Hydrothermal | Well, we can only pick one. CRE, Bert - your thoughts on an engine? |

| 2015-02-06 20:57:55 | Belbertn | I think, for this idea its more work to learn those engines than it is to just use js +canvas |

| 2015-02-06 20:58:08 | CrazyRocketEngin | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:58:23 | Belbertn | a player moving sideways and enemies downwards does not require an engine |

| 2015-02-06 20:58:24 | CrazyRocketEngin | I don't think we need an engine for something as simple as space invaders? |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:13 | Hydrothermal | A main loop and a couple of helper functions would really be all we would need as far as engine boilerplate. |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:18 | Belbertn | the most difficult thing is collision which isnt difficult and doesnt have to be accurate for a game like spca invader |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:29 | Hydrothermal | Dannox? |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:29 | Belbertn | space invaders* |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:32 | Dannox | Space invader collision is just AABB. |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:39 | Belbertn | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 20:59:44 | Dannox | Just trying to think how we'd do the blitting |

| 2015-02-06 21:00:43 | Dannox | oh, there's a drawimage function. |

| 2015-02-06 21:01:46 | Hydrothermal | Are we agreed on no engine? |

| 2015-02-06 21:01:56 | Belbertn | agreed here |

| 2015-02-06 21:01:57 | CrazyRocketEngin | yup, I think so |

| 2015-02-06 21:02:01 | Dannox | Agreed |

| 2015-02-06 21:02:21 | Hydrothermal | Cool. |

| 2015-02-06 21:02:34 | Dannox | So will this game have audio, if so what will we use for it |

| 2015-02-06 21:02:47 | Momma-Says | We need the sound |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:03 | Momma-Says | it makes the game worth playing |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:14 | Hydrothermal | The HTML5 Web Audio API should be sufficient, right? |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:20 | Belbertn | yeah |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:23 | Momma-Says | I think so |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:26 | Hydrothermal | We can always use a helper library if it's too raw to work with. |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:36 | Dannox | There's the web audio api, not sure how prickly it is |

| 2015-02-06 21:03:38 | Belbertn | we used it for ball invasion |

| 2015-02-06 21:04:11 | Hydrothermal | Doesn't get much more complicated than new Audio(path).play(). |

| 2015-02-06 21:04:22 | Belbertn | nope |

| 2015-02-06 21:04:29 | Dannox | Great. Sounds simple enough to rig up. |

| 2015-02-06 21:04:32 | Hydrothermal | I'm sure there are some wrinkles as far as overlapping sounds, but we can work that out. |

| 2015-02-06 21:05:02 | Hydrothermal | Now, scheduling. I estimate we have roughly 10-15 total programmer man-hours per week. |

| 2015-02-06 21:05:48 | Hydrothermal | I can't see this project taking much more than 40 total hours of work. At the high end, that's four weeks. |

| 2015-02-06 21:06:17 | Hydrothermal | 2-3 would be nice, but I think a hard limit of one month is reasonable. Thoughts? |

| 2015-02-06 21:06:23 | Hydrothermal | 2-3 weeks, that is.* |

| 2015-02-06 21:06:44 | Momma-Says | reasonable |

| 2015-02-06 21:06:48 | Dannox | Sounds fair to me. It's not rocket surgery |

| 2015-02-06 21:06:48 | Belbertn | one month should be enough |

| 2015-02-06 21:07:53 | Hydrothermal | If we officially start development on Monday, that means we have until March 9. |

| 2015-02-06 21:08:11 | Belbertn | deal |

| 2015-02-06 21:08:15 | Momma-Says | ok |

| 2015-02-06 21:08:23 | Hydrothermal | I think we should be able to have a rough estimate for milestones on a timeline by Tuesday. |

| 2015-02-06 21:08:40 | Momma-Says | brb. need to not burn pizza |

| 2015-02-06 21:08:50 | Dannox | Microsoft project file or just txt? |

| 2015-02-06 21:09:08 | CrazyRocketEngin | txt |

| 2015-02-06 21:09:12 | Dannox | thank god |

| 2015-02-06 21:09:15 | Hydrothermal | Gantt charts are cool too. |

| 2015-02-06 21:09:25 | Hydrothermal | I love graphs almost as much as I love lists. |

| 2015-02-06 21:10:06 | Dannox | Graphs are nice. Dataisbeautiful gets some crazy stuff done. |

| 2015-02-06 21:10:19 | Hydrothermal | In any case, we'll be doing weekly update posts on the sub to keep the community informed of our progress and the current state of things. |

| 2015-02-06 21:10:41 | Hydrothermal | If we plan for having our timetable ready by Tuesday, it makes sense to do the weekly posts either every Tuesday or Wednesday. |

| 2015-02-06 21:10:42 | Momma-Says | back |

| 2015-02-06 21:11:16 | Momma-Says | agreed |

| 2015-02-06 21:11:22 | Momma-Says | I like charts |

| 2015-02-06 21:12:21 | Momma-Says | Are we counting on one person to set up the tasks? |

| 2015-02-06 21:12:31 | Momma-Says | Or are we collaborating? |

| 2015-02-06 21:12:35 | Hydrothermal | Bert's going to be in charge of the technical side of organization. |

| 2015-02-06 21:12:45 | Belbertn | ^^ |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:02 | Hydrothermal | Obviously a certain amount of communication and collaboration will be factoring into any decision-making, but the spandex suit goes on him. |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:15 | Belbertn | Im your puppet :P |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:16 | Momma-Says | I want to try a task or two. How tolerant are we going to be regarding newbies? |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:29 | Momma-Says | I've been teaching myself js |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:55 | Hydrothermal | The more newbies the better. Once we've figured out what the tasks actually are on Tuesday, you can talk to Bert about that. |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:56 | Belbertn | Pretty tolerable as long as they're not Lucas |

| 2015-02-06 21:13:57 | Dannox | There's bound to be some simple tasks in there |

| 2015-02-06 21:14:05 | Dannox | Who is lucas? |

| 2015-02-06 21:14:10 | Momma-Says | awesome |

| 2015-02-06 21:14:22 | Belbertn | A guy who "helped" on Ball invasion |

| 2015-02-06 21:14:45 | Belbertn | he thought it would be good to remove all whitespace in a 1000 line file |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:00 | Dannox | Please tell me you had backups |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:03 | CrazyRocketEngin | optimization at it's best |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:16 | Hydrothermal | Thank god for version control. |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:34 | Hydrothermal | Or thank git, I guess. |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:35 | Dannox | I can see running it through minification before publishing, but during dev that's pointless. |

| 2015-02-06 21:15:59 | Hydrothermal | I think that hits everything on the agenda. |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:15 | Momma-Says | nice |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:27 | Dannox | That was pretty productive. |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:32 | Momma-Says | agreed |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:35 | Hydrothermal | I'd like to try for another meeting sometime on Tuesday to communicate the tasks and required assets. |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:44 | Momma-Says | sounds good |

| 2015-02-06 21:16:53 | Momma-Says | same time? |

| 2015-02-06 21:17:03 | Belbertn | same time works for me |

| 2015-02-06 21:17:21 | Dannox | Might not be able to catch the beginning if it's same time |

| 2015-02-06 21:17:30 | Hydrothermal | Same here. I'm usually free between 9 AM and 5 PM EST every weekday except Friday. |

| 2015-02-06 21:17:39 | Dannox | Maybe an hour later? |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:06 | Hydrothermal | Fine by me. I'll be keeping a transcription as always, and the only people who really need to be there are Bert and me. |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:08 | dan | an hour later than this is better for me |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:21 | Belbertn | no problem for me |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:29 | Belbertn | CRE? |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:34 | Dannox | I'll post my logs to the reddit too. |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:36 | CrazyRocketEngin | I might not be able to join at all |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:44 | Hydrothermal | Agreed, then. 4 PM EST/9 PM UTC/10 PM UTC+1 on Tuesday. |

| 2015-02-06 21:18:52 | Momma-Says | Either is fine be me |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:02 | Hydrothermal | Any other closing comments? |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:11 | Momma-Says | are we going to use canvas? |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:12 | Belbertn | add me to google |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:14 | dan | super nice |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:15 | Belbertn | yes |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:25 | Belbertn | canvas |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:32 | Dannox | Canvas is the planvas. |

| 2015-02-06 21:19:55 | Momma-Says | are we waiting until Tuesday to set up git and whatnot? |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:06 | Momma-Says | or can we go ahead and do some of that? |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:17 | Belbertn | Im starting right away :) |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:18 | Hydrothermal | We already have an organization, so one of you can throw a repo up. |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:29 | Hydrothermal | Pick a name and throw me a link. |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:46 | Momma-Says | alright! |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:47 | Hydrothermal | Meeting's over; thank you all for showing up! |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:49 | Belbertn | you mentioned a mavg google account or somethjing? |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:52 | Momma-Says | :) |

| 2015-02-06 21:20:56 | Hydrothermal | Yep. Signing in now to add you. |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:03 | Belbertn | k :) |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:37 | Belbertn | Making a repo called Space Vikings. any disagreements? |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:43 | Hydrothermal | Nope. |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:48 | Momma-Says | Viking Invagers |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:53 | Momma-Says | Invaders |

| 2015-02-06 21:21:59 | Belbertn | Yeah thats better |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:18 | Dannox | Viking invaders is kind of redundant |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:23 | Dannox | But I like it |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:31 | Belbertn | license |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:32 | Belbertn | ? |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:40 | dan | i thought space vikings was p cute though |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:43 | Dannox | Something BSD |

| 2015-02-06 21:22:49 | Momma-Says | it is cute.... |

| 2015-02-06 21:23:03 | Dannox | Space vikings would be kind of cool I admit |

| 2015-02-06 21:23:15 | Belbertn | so space vikings then? |

| 2015-02-06 21:23:24 | Momma-Says | Space Vikings it is |

| 2015-02-06 21:23:40 | Dannox | By Odin's beard, I think we have a plan. |

| 2015-02-06 21:24:08 | Belbertn | Simplified BSD or New BSD? no idea whats what of those two |

| 2015-02-06 21:24:34 | Dannox | http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause |

| 2015-02-06 21:24:39 | Hydrothermal | I like GPL v3. |

| 2015-02-06 21:25:09 | Dannox | GPL is a virus that corrupts everything it touches. |

| 2015-02-06 21:25:40 | Belbertn | I see you care and know more about these things than I, so you decide :P |

| 2015-02-06 21:25:46 | Belbertn | you two* |

| 2015-02-06 21:26:21 | CrazyRocketEngin | BSD BSD BSD! |

| 2015-02-06 21:26:27 | CrazyRocketEngin | 100 % BSD |

| 2015-02-06 21:26:48 | Dannox | So that's 2 votes for bsd, 1 for gpl. |

| 2015-02-06 21:26:49 | CrazyRocketEngin | Dannox is right about GPL being a evil world-devouring virus |

| 2015-02-06 21:27:32 | Dannox | Any preference on which version of bsd, cre? |

| 2015-02-06 21:28:04 | Hydrothermal | https://plus.google.com/b/101229884162944207238/101229884162944207238/ |

| 2015-02-06 21:28:07 | Hydrothermal | Here's the G+ page. |

| 2015-02-06 21:28:08 | CrazyRocketEngin | 3 clause |

| 2015-02-06 21:28:40 | CrazyRocketEngin | 2 clause allows others to use the MAVG "trademarks", 3 clause prevents that |

| 2015-02-06 21:28:46 | Dannox | sounds good. 3 clause it is. |

| 2015-02-06 21:29:25 | Momma-Says | there you go |

| 2015-02-06 21:29:40 | Belbertn | github has new bsd and simplified |

| 2015-02-06 21:29:47 | Belbertn | new bsd is 3 clause? |

| 2015-02-06 21:30:04 | Hydrothermal | Bert, what's your gmail address? |

| 2015-02-06 21:32:38 | Dannox | new bsd is indeed 3 clause |

| 2015-02-06 21:33:13 | Belbertn | https://github.com/MAVG-Programmers/SpaceVikings |

| 2015-02-06 21:35:35 | Dannox | So how do you get into the google drive with google plus |

| 2015-02-06 21:37:12 | Hydrothermal | I think you can share folders. |

| 2015-02-06 21:37:15 | Hydrothermal | I'm working on that now. |

| 2015-02-06 21:38:49 | Hydrothermal | Of course, the help docs are for the old version of Drive. |

| 2015-02-06 21:39:19 | Dannox | I think the trick is to right click the folder, and do "Get shareable link" |

| 2015-02-06 21:39:26 | Dannox | but that was a while ago, before the updates |

| 2015-02-06 21:39:31 | Belbertn | of course. why would Google want to keep things up to date |

| 2015-02-06 21:39:33 | Hydrothermal | Yeah, I just got it. I had to go up a level and select the folder. |

| 2015-02-06 21:39:52 | Hydrothermal | Now I'm trying to figure out if there's any way to automatically share with a certain circle, but it doesn't look like it. Oh well. |

| 2015-02-06 21:40:01 | CrazyRocketEngin | Just a quick question, when will we update the sidebar and who will do it? |

| 2015-02-06 21:40:13 | Hydrothermal | I believe Momma is working on that. |

| 2015-02-06 21:40:33 | Momma-Says | There has to be a way Hydro |

| 2015-02-06 21:40:43 | Momma-Says | I'm testing in my drive account |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:02 | Hydrothermal | I'll just make it editable by anybody with the link. |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:15 | Momma-Says | that's prob easiest |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:22 | Hydrothermal | I think Drive stores revision history to files the way Docs does, so hopefully we won't run into any issues. |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:28 | Momma-Says | I was working on the sidebar today |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:35 | Momma-Says | I can finish up now |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:48 | Hydrothermal | Anybody who vandalizes the Drive folder will have their daily rations halved by the Organic Being Healthcare Administration Division. |

| 2015-02-06 21:41:53 | Hydrothermal | Grr. |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:00 | Momma-Says | Hydro, it has "sort-of" a revision history |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:08 | Hydrothermal | https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1-DIsvuAYF_fkVDU2NQMnNtRnFXT3BXczMtNTFPOVBxbjhYQjlqVnI3N3VCTXhiNXQzbTg&authuser=0 |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:10 | Hydrothermal | There you go. |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:12 | Momma-Says | but it's good enough for govment werk |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:28 | Hydrothermal | It's got a folder for assets like images and sounds, and one for supplements like organizational documents and... graphs. |

| 2015-02-06 21:42:53 | Hydrothermal | I'll add one for Deployment, too. |

| 2015-02-06 21:43:33 | Belbertn | Oh the website |

| 2015-02-06 21:43:34 | Hydrothermal | Just in case we want to host on Drive instead of Github.io or something. |

| 2015-02-06 21:43:53 | Hydrothermal | Once the official site's done, we can move deployment to there. |

| 2015-02-06 21:43:57 | Dannox | Didn't know drive allowed you to do hosting. |

| 2015-02-06 21:44:09 | Hydrothermal | Yeah, you can view HTML files, but it's kind of wonky. |

| 2015-02-06 21:44:14 | Hydrothermal | I'd prefer Github hosting, to be honest. |

| 2015-02-06 21:44:24 | Hydrothermal | I'll keep the Deployment folder, though, as a standard for non-web games. |

| 2015-02-06 21:44:35 | Dannox | github.io seems pretty slick. Didn't momma buy web hosting a while back for mavg? |

| 2015-02-06 21:44:44 | Hydrothermal | Yeah, that's what I mean by the official site. |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:01 | Hydrothermal | At the moment, though, it's kind of in wireframe mode. |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:16 | CrazyRocketEngin | can't you just slap apache on there? |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:21 | Momma-Says | I have an amazon server |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:34 | Dannox | Holy crap, you bought an entire vps? |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:41 | Dannox | A bit overkill don't you think? |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:46 | Momma-Says | lol |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:57 | Momma-Says | I have it for my business |

| 2015-02-06 21:45:59 | Hydrothermal | It's running fine and hosting would work, but it's based on a git repository and I think putting a project on there would be a little cluttery as it is now. |

| 2015-02-06 21:46:09 | Momma-Says | I don't mind hosting a site or two on it |

| 2015-02-06 21:46:20 | Dannox | Oh, haha. Was worried there. |

| 2015-02-06 21:46:58 | Momma-Says | I build websites to pay the mortgage |

| 2015-02-06 21:47:14 | Momma-Says | so I usually have some sort of web hosting available |

| 2015-02-06 21:47:38 | Dannox | Oh, that's cool. Part of me wants to try to get into that market, but it's so saturated. |

| 2015-02-06 21:48:04 | Momma-Says | I still don't have any trouble finding work |

| 2015-02-06 21:49:20 | Dannox | That's good. Have you been doing this long? You mentioned that you're only starting to learn js a while back. |

| 2015-02-06 21:50:53 | Hydrothermal | She makes 'em with VBA and HTML tables. |

| 2015-02-06 21:51:02 | Hydrothermal | They only work on IE6. |

| 2015-02-06 21:51:05 | CrazyRocketEngin | xD |

| 2015-02-06 21:51:14 | Momma-Says | For my stuff I'm the analyst/manager |

| 2015-02-06 21:51:19 | Momma-Says | I have a coder partner |

| 2015-02-06 21:51:52 | Momma-Says | Mostly use Dreamweaver |

| 2015-02-06 21:52:00 | Dannox | Oh, that's cool. For a second there I thought hydro was serious. |

| 2015-02-06 21:52:24 | Momma-Says | I'm looking into FrontPage though. looks cool |

| 2015-02-06 21:52:43 | Momma-Says | ;) |

| 2015-02-06 21:53:18 | Momma-Says | I've updated the Wiki on ModHQ to add the Assets link |

| 2015-02-06 21:55:40 | Momma-Says | In case we forget it in 5 min |

| 2015-02-06 21:55:59 | CrazyRocketEngin | like the sidebar and css :P |

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