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Ghoul Catchers Mobile App Coming Soon Posted by Dave

Posted on January 15, 2015, 9:32 am NST





Cost for the Game

The game will be free to download, as we previously learned, with in-app purchases to help speed up your game. (Think most of the other mobile games you've played.) In-app purchases will not be tied to Neocash, but rather the payment system on the mobile platform you're using.



Neopets Account Integration

The app will tie directly into your Neopets account. You'll be able to log in through the app, or even create an account if you're a new player.



You'll need a Neopets account to play, which isn't something any of you reading here on JN probably need to worry about. Unfortunately, this also means you will need to have an Internet connection (either through wifi or your phone/tablet's data plan) in order to play since you will need to log in to and authenticate your Neopets account. (TNT expressed interest in wanting to make an offline mode possible down the road, but it's tricky to do when you want to make sure cheating isn't possible.)



Rewards

We didn't get any details on the types of rewards you'll receive for playing the app, as TNT is still deciding exactly what to give out.



However, as mentioned above, since the game will be closely tied to your Neopets account, all of the rewards will be automatically placed into your account. You won't need to take a code and enter it on the site like you did with Treasure Keepers. You'll also be notified via Neomail when something happens on the mobile game.



App Updates

Right now, there are 40 levels planned to be released with the app. However, in the 8-12 weeks following the initial app release, TNT is hoping to release more levels and add-ons to the game.



App Platforms

The app will be available on Android and iOS devices via the iTunes App Store, Google Play Store, Amazon App Store. It will work on both mobile phones and tablets running Android or iOS. It will also be available as a Facebook game for those not on mobile. (We didn't receive many details on the Facebook portion.)



Release Date

TNT is currently aiming for a February release.



Purpose of the Game

There are a few things TNT is trying to accomplish here. The first of which is to give Neopians a new game to play daily, similar to how you might play other flash games on the site. Except, of course, this will be on your phone or tablet. They described it as "an extension to users who want to connect with Neopets on their mobile device."



Another purpose was to do a lot of backend infrastructure work--invisible to us, but helpful to the servers--that will allow more mobile/tablet games and "products" in the future to integrate with your Neopets account. Before today, these integrations didn't exist or were difficult to do. But going forward, it'll be easier to get a new game up and running.



This first game is only a "drop in the bucket" for what Jumpstart would like to do with Neopets and mobile, so we're looking forward to this being the first of many cool things to come out in the future!





While we had TNT's attention, we also asked about the Elephante in the room... the lag!



They wish they had a great answer for it and a date on which it'll stop, but they don't. They're taking an iterative approach to fixing things, one step in which is the downtime we'll be seeing tonight.



One of the big challenges with fixing the lag here is that they have terabytes among terabytes of data that needs to be migrated with each change they make. To give you a better idea of what that means, when they're releasing code to fix an issue causing lag, they might also need to copy over the database to fit the new style of code. We were told this is over 45 million rows of data in some of their database tables, so fixes and moves can take a while simply because it takes lots of time to copy data over.



That being said, they have their programmers working around the clock to fix things. (Remember, we saw that downtime last week around 1am local time, meaning someone from TNT was up at 1am running a fix!) They also assured us that they're feeling the problems as well. All of their admin tools are just as slow as the site is, and it's making their job more difficult as well. So, fixing the lag is a top priority for them, and we at JN are optimistic that it's something we'll see a solution for sooner rather than later.





Many thanks to TNT for giving us the opportunity to ask some questions about Ghoul Catchers! Follow @jellyneo on Twitter for all the latest #Neopets news! We had a chance earlier this week to ask TNT some questions about their upcoming mobile/tablet app, Ghoul Catchers ! Here's a rundown of what we learned:The game will be free to download, as we previously learned, with in-app purchases to help speed up your game. (Think most of the other mobile games you've played.) In-app purchases will not be tied to Neocash, but rather the payment system on the mobile platform you're using.The app will tie directly into your Neopets account. You'll be able to log in through the app, or even create an account if you're a new player.You'll need a Neopets account to play, which isn't something any of you reading here on JN probably need to worry about.Unfortunately, this also means you will need to have an Internet connection (either through wifi or your phone/tablet's data plan) in order to play since you will need to log in to and authenticate your Neopets account. (TNT expressed interest in wanting to make an offline mode possible down the road, but it's tricky to do when you want to make sure cheating isn't possible.)We didn't get any details on the types of rewards you'll receive for playing the app, as TNT is still deciding exactly what to give out.However, as mentioned above, since the game will be closely tied to your Neopets account, all of the rewards will be automatically placed into your account. You won't need to take a code and enter it on the site like you did with Treasure Keepers. You'll also be notified via Neomail when something happens on the mobile game.Right now, there are 40 levels planned to be released with the app. However, in the 8-12 weeks following the initial app release, TNT is hoping to release more levels and add-ons to the game.The app will be available on Android and iOS devices via the iTunes App Store, Google Play Store, Amazon App Store. It will work on both mobile phones and tablets running Android or iOS. It will also be available as a Facebook game for those not on mobile. (We didn't receive many details on the Facebook portion.)TNT is currently aiming for a February release.There are a few things TNT is trying to accomplish here. The first of which is to give Neopians a new game to play daily, similar to how you might play other flash games on the site. Except, of course, this will be on your phone or tablet. They described it as "an extension to users who want to connect with Neopets on their mobile device."Another purpose was to do a lot of backend infrastructure work--invisible to us, but helpful to the servers--that will allow more mobile/tablet games and "products" in the future to integrate with your Neopets account. Before today, these integrations didn't exist or were difficult to do. But going forward, it'll be easier to get a new game up and running.This first game is only a "drop in the bucket" for what Jumpstart would like to do with Neopets and mobile, so we're looking forward to this being the first of many cool things to come out in the future!While we had TNT's attention, we also asked about the Elephante in the room...They wish they had a great answer for it and a date on which it'll stop, but they don't. They're taking an iterative approach to fixing things, one step in which is the downtime we'll be seeing tonight.One of the big challenges with fixing the lag here is that they have terabytes among terabytes of data that needs to be migrated with each change they make. To give you a better idea of what that means, when they're releasing code to fix an issue causing lag, they might also need to copy over the database to fit the new style of code. We were told this is over 45 million rows of data in some of their database tables, so fixes and moves can take a while simply because it takes lots of time to copy data over.That being said, they have their programmers working around the clock to fix things. (Remember, we saw that downtime last week around 1am local time, meaning someone from TNT was up at 1am running a fix!) They also assured us that they're feeling the problems as well. All of their admin tools are just as slow as the site is, and it's making their job more difficult as well. So, fixing the lag is a top priority for them, and we at JN are optimistic that it's something we'll see a solution for sooner rather than later.Many thanks to TNT for giving us the opportunity to ask some questions about Ghoul Catchers!

There are 65 comments below. Add yours!

auraichadora , January 15, 2015 9:43 AM NST Ghoul Catchers still sounds awesome; can't wait to play! Guess I'll have to get an iTunes card for the in-app purchases; not a big deal as there's some songs I've been meaning to purchase too. XD



And awesome insight from TNT about the lag. Of course, I have a feeling it won't be enough to convince people to stop complaining about the lag and calling TNT incompetent, but still, it was a nice read. Thanks JN! ^^

drzoidberg , January 15, 2015 9:46 AM NST Way to investigate, JN! I very much appreciate the insight to both the new game and the lag. Thank you!

kouza , January 15, 2015 10:06 AM NST You had a chance to talk to TNT, and the lag was the "Elephante in the room?" As though they haven't said enough about that?!!



*flips table*



I'm admittedly jealous that I have questions for TNT that I have yet to be answered and here JN is talking to them. But I am so so so so done worrying about the lag. It's under control people! It's as under control as it can be! But somehow this is still the big question on everyone's mind. They just said they were gonna do something about it, and we're already asking more questions?



And I see nothing on Boolin or Glyn or Vinsjin. I'm guessing Herdy wasn't invited to the Q&A. That, or the question was asked but you guys have yet to publish the full interview where they answer that question.

benladesh - JN Staff , January 15, 2015 10:11 AM NST News like this are encouraging for the future of Neopets in my opinion. Sure the lag is currently a big issue but once that hurdle has been overcome, I believe the website will grow in a direction we've never seen it grow before. A modernization of sorts.



I really hope that the programmers tackling the lag will get a chance to tackle the battledome after the website is cleaned up and the app is well on its way.

chevrine , January 15, 2015 10:25 AM NST



I'm super glad to see there will be a non-mobile version of this app for those of us still stuck in 2006! Thanks, TNT! Can we...like...forcibly rub the part about the lag all over the faces of the whiners on Facebook, or...I'm super glad to see there will be a non-mobile version of this app for those of us still stuck in 2006! Thanks, TNT!

pikachu315111 , January 15, 2015 10:32 AM NST @ benladesh:

I think before they get to the BD they'll need to address the problems with KQ.

kouza , January 15, 2015 10:33 AM NST Why Key Quest over the Dome? Why the Dome over Key Quest? WHY IS VINSJIN STILL ALIVE??

chevrine , January 15, 2015 10:39 AM NST How is Vinsjin even pronounced? I can hear it in my head, but my mouth sure as heck can't do it.

kouza , January 15, 2015 10:50 AM NST I pronounce is "Vince-gin". But the way it's spelled it's probably Slavic or something like that, and pronounced "Vinzian".

kouza , January 15, 2015 10:54 AM NST In fact, Slavic might play into the Uberwaldian themes that ghoul catching might involve.

bountyhunter , January 15, 2015 10:55 AM NST

Happy days cant wait for the app to come out

chevrine , January 15, 2015 11:27 AM NST I'll go with Vinzian--that's way easier to roll off the tongue than Vince-jin, which is what I was trying to say. My tongue just can't do that combo!

morganjoisle , January 15, 2015 12:39 PM NST @kouza: They never gave us an answer like this to the lag before! It was always things like "we're working on it", this explains in terms that are comprehensible to a normal neopets player why it is taking so long. "To give you a better idea of what that means, when they're releasing code to fix an issue causing lag, they might also need to copy over the database to fit the new style of code. We were told this is over 45 million rows of data in some of their database tables, so fixes and moves can take a while simply because it takes lots of time to copy data over." Jellyneo's explanation actually puts it into perspective for me. "They also assured us that they're feeling the problems as well. All of their admin tools are just as slow as the site is, and it's making their job more difficult as well." And they're suffering with us. I can stop complaining about the lag when I know that they're extremely miserable and suffering as

morganjoisle , January 15, 2015 12:39 PM NST I can stop complaining about the lag when I know that they're extremely miserable and suffering as much as the normal person trying to load shops during Charity Corner was too.

kouza , January 15, 2015 1:03 PM NST All they did was explain the technical aspect a little bit. What does this mean to anyone not technically adept other than "It's a lot of code to crunch"? Did we not already know it was a lot of code to crunch? This puts things in perspective, sure. A perspective of "It's a lot of work." But we already knew that. We didn't need a number. "A lot of work" and "45 million lines" is interchangeable, knowing the exact figure, what does this change? We already knew it was a lot of work.

ibookworm281 , January 15, 2015 1:08 PM NST so excited about the game!!!

knightrider77 , January 15, 2015 1:26 PM NST TNT should seriously consider filming their computer screens to show us how they are fixing the lag - they don't need to show themselves on the video or anything, but it would help all those on facebook, who are getting all beside themselves, to see and understand just how much TNT has to go through to fix things and the amount of coding they have to deal with. And if they don't want to show the actual coding (in case of hackers watching - then they could blur the screen slightly so you can't fully see the lines of code). Maybe then people will be able to develop a little more patience.

cloonshannagh , January 15, 2015 1:27 PM NST However, 45 million rows of data gives a better perspective to everyone. And those familiar with database and server issues will be happy receiving a little more detail on the issues. We all care about Neo, and wish we could be there to help. @kouza A lot of work can mean a great deal of different things depending on your frame of reference.However, 45 million rows of data gives a better perspective to everyone. And those familiar with database and server issues will be happy receiving a little more detail on the issues. We all care about Neo, and wish we could be there to help.

zeelink , January 15, 2015 1:29 PM NST I am SO HYPED right now TNT. And what a brilliant move to tie in accounts to the app, that will hopefully bring in a lot of new players.

elvenfaery , January 15, 2015 1:40 PM NST



Kouza, the difference between saying "it's a lot if work" and "this is, more specifically, how much work it is" is admittedly subtle, but it still exists. "A lot" is highly subjective. You can tell a doctor that your arm hurts a lot, but she's still going to need more details to put that into perspective (but let's not get into the smiley face chart...) You can say a building is really tall, but that will mean different things to different people.

Giving a more technical explanation still may go over some peoples' heads, but it provides more clarity than not.

Was it absolutely necessary? No. But, more details are absolutely appreciated in my book. Ooh, February, I wanted something nice for my birthdayKouza, the difference between saying "it's a lot if work" and "this is, more specifically, how much work it is" is admittedly subtle, but it still exists. "A lot" is highly subjective. You can tell a doctor that your arm hurts a lot, but she's still going to need more details to put that into perspective (but let's not get into the smiley face chart...) You can say a building is really tall, but that will mean different things to different people.Giving a more technical explanation still may go over some peoples' heads, but it provides more clarity than not.Was it absolutely necessary? No. But, more details are absolutely appreciated in my book.

cheyennerose420 , January 15, 2015 1:44 PM NST I'm just trilled that TNT over the last week or so has been waaayyy more vocal .

Also a new app is cool too !

kouza , January 15, 2015 1:59 PM NST



So they say "We're definitely working on it, but it's obviously a lot of work." And in response we say "That's not enough, we need to know how many lines of code you're working with"? We were seriously unsatisfied until we got a number?

ian - JN Staff , January 15, 2015 2:11 PM NST @kouza: Considering there are people who want video footage of them working on it...

tyuio_k50 , January 15, 2015 2:15 PM NST Considering there are people who want video footage of them working on it...



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That's not enough! We need signed documents, a lawyer present, and a triple-dog pinkie-swear.

cat , January 15, 2015 2:19 PM NST Holy, terabytes of data! I'm surprised they can fix it in just one day then, it seemed to take eons to copy just 60 gb of data from my old computer when I was migrating my files to my new one. Then again, that was my old computer.



I think if they did video footage it would probably have to be the way some of the online mangaka work, where the camera is pointed at the programmers so you can see them working (or goofing off while their code compiles or the site data is being copied over). I imagine they wouldn't actually want us to see the stuff they're working on since it would be a spoiler. And I'd worry that too much knowledge of how their back-end coding works might make it easier for hackers to break into the site.

tyuio_k50 , January 15, 2015 2:22 PM NST @cat You reminded me of a cartoon: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png



That may be the very depiction of TNT as we speak!

cat , January 15, 2015 2:29 PM NST Anyway, sounds like we could see more kinds of game apps. I know it would be nice to have Lutari Island as a new app, maybe even a new NeoQuest!

cat , January 15, 2015 2:30 PM NST @tyuio_k50 - yeah, that's hilarious. Somehow, I can see TNT's programmers doing something like that while waiting for their code to compile (or copy over).

elvenfaery , January 15, 2015 3:56 PM NST Yeah, I think it's ridiculous if people really *needed* to know those details to take them seriously about what they are doing.

But I think about the context in which this information was delivered to us. It wasn't some official public notice, or even an Editorial response. Someone on TNT was talking with someone at JN, even if it was a given that the conversation would be related to us. It wasn't some collaborative statement, it was a person being asked, "hey, what's up with the lag?" and answering with what they knew. And hey, if you were faced with a challenge that not a lot of people understood, wouldn't you take the opportunity to elaborate on it if you could, especially if there was this much criticism? I mean, as humans, don't we often like to let others know exactly what we're up against? I guess I'm saying that maybe this was just as much for TNT's sake as for ours.

ummy - JN Staff , January 15, 2015 3:56 PM NST It will work on both mobile phones and tablets running Android or iOS.

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Will it run on any cameras running Android, by chance?

elvenfaery , January 15, 2015 3:59 PM NST On a more app related note, I kind of like the sound of the site integration bit. It seems like it will be simole and straightforward for existing players, and , provided it's advertised in the right places, it will hopefully encourage new users to check out the site proper.

tyuio_k50 , January 15, 2015 4:07 PM NST Will it run on any cameras running Android, by chance?



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Technically... If the Camera is powerful enough, yeah. I'm not sure how you;d actually play it on a camera though.



Interesting note: It's certainly within the realm of possibility that you could run the game on an Ouya console - Those are Android based and are used to run apps all the time like Netflix.

shadowlight17 , January 15, 2015 4:11 PM NST Ghoul Catchers sounds fun, and I am excited to see what else they come up with in the future.



While I really didn't need any more info on the lag, more transparency is always welcome. Thanks JN and TNT for the interview!

dimir31blueblack , January 15, 2015 4:37 PM NST Woo free game! I'll definitely play this. But I will never spend money on an app.

burning_shadows_79 , January 15, 2015 6:22 PM NST While some people were busy whining about problems on the site, TNT was working behind the scenes on something big - something we wouldn't be seeing for months, but something we'd be really happy with when it arrives.





@cat - "I know it would be nice to have Lutari Island as a new app, maybe even a new NeoQuest!"



Oh, yes... this. This, this, this!!

NeoQuest could definitely work well as a freemium game, with in-app purchases for things like currency and EXP bonuses. If you don't want to pay, it'll be harder work but you can still complete the game. This is the kind of thing that made me hold out hope during the dark times.While some people were busy whining about problems on the site, TNT was working behind the scenes on something big - something we wouldn't be seeing for months, but something we'd be really happy with when it arrives.@cat - "I know it would be nice to have Lutari Island as a new app, maybe even a new NeoQuest!"Oh, yes... this.This, this, this!!NeoQuest could definitely work well as a freemium game, with in-app purchases for things like currency and EXP bonuses. If you don't want to pay, it'll be harder work but you can still complete the game.

neolikepets , January 15, 2015 6:22 PM NST 45 million rows of data!? I knew Neopets is an incredibly complex website, but wow! Makes me wonder just how big the databases for sites such as Google and Amazon are. They must be at least hundreds of times bigger...

burning_shadows_79 , January 15, 2015 6:25 PM NST

But once I know it's safe, I'll give it a go. I like match-three puzzles. As for the Ghoul Catchers app, I won't download it until I'm satisfied that the connection with my Neo account is secure.But once I know it's safe, I'll give it a go.I like match-three puzzles.

littledolphingirl , January 15, 2015 6:49 PM NST thanks for the lag update I hope it gets fixed soon and all the complainers can stop bashing TNT

the game looks fun but I have a not so smart phone and I can't do apps and me and the book of faces don't get along any more thanks for the lag update I hope it gets fixed soon and all the complainers can stop bashing TNTthe game looks fun but I have a not so smart phone and I can't do apps and me and the book of faces don't get along any more

cat , January 15, 2015 7:04 PM NST NeoQuest could definitely work well as a freemium game, with in-app purchases for things like currency and EXP bonuses. If you don't want to pay, it'll be harder work but you can still complete the game.

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Yeah, or things like bonus dungeons and new character classes or equipment that might make the game easier. For example if they added accessories to the next one you might be able to buy an accessory that has a one time full raise effect when equipped. Or you might be able to buy continues so if you died you'd revive on the spot instead of being booted back to the last town (or the beginning of the game in Insane). I don't tend to pay for boosts, but I loves me a bonus dungeon/boss.

idriya , January 15, 2015 7:12 PM NST To those complaining about people whining on Facebook: you're making a big mistake, and that is taking people on Facebook seriously. The people bashing TNT don't care about the facts. They just want to rage incessantly at them without having to deal with the limitations of the Neopets site.



Just ignore the people on Facebook. Their "opinions" don't matter.

spriken , January 15, 2015 7:24 PM NST Now I have one more reason to be happy this month I gave up my half broke dinosaur of a phone and got this new sleek hotness phone.

Neopets on my trip to work will be fun.

johanna11 , January 15, 2015 7:45 PM NST I have a kindle I got a couple years ago though, so I can still play the game when it comes out. Mostly just want whatever benefits there might be. This is when it would be helpful to have an ipod touch that wasn't seven years old and could download new apps.I have a kindle I got a couple years ago though, so I can still play the game when it comes out. Mostly just want whatever benefits there might be.

idriya , January 15, 2015 8:33 PM NST I'm completely left out of this since I have no mobile device. But I will not complain. It's my fault for not getting a job in my high school days and therefore not having any money lol.

smartman294 , January 15, 2015 8:45 PM NST @Ummy Depends on what they put in the android manifest for version dependencies and maybe screen size dependencies etc

johanna11 , January 15, 2015 8:56 PM NST @idriya According to the post, it'll be available on facebook too. So not all mobile, thankfully.

idriya , January 15, 2015 9:10 PM NST Huh. Guess I'll have to dig out my old Neo Facebook then.

snufflybot , January 15, 2015 9:45 PM NST Thanks to all involved in this update. I honestly think its a great move forward with respect to the issues that were asked about and TNT also recognising that some users need more than just 'we are working on it'. I'm hoping to see the site running back in its former glory soon. The fact that they have put a time-frame on the app game is also telling me that they hope to have the lag issues fixed before they roll the game out so here's hoping!

spabl , January 15, 2015 10:53 PM NST

No app for me. Bummer, I have a Windows 8 Phone.No app for me.

archaeopteryx , January 15, 2015 11:07 PM NST I'm actually looking forward to the Ghoul Catchers App. I like that type of matching game and I like the possibility of being able to earn rewards for my main on my phone. In regards to the lag, I'm happy that TNT seems to have become committed, again, to the idea of communication with their users. I hope they keep on this road, with no more major upsets (*cough*CharityCorner*cough*). In regards to the database size, couldn't they break the large databases up into smaller connected databases instead, or is that me being an idiot? Also, I personally think KeyQuest would probably work out better as an app then it has in its 'current' form. I imagine there would be more people who would be able to even play it in that case as well (I could never play it when it was working, but maybe if it's an app on my phone it *might* decide it wants to work for me).

rodgerflint , January 15, 2015 11:29 PM NST @Ian: Not only do they want video of them working on it, they then will complain why someone was taking a video instead of coding!

cat , January 16, 2015 1:26 AM NST I think to some degree the databases are small databases already, or at least from what they've said in the past I'm pretty sure the information about what's in your SDB is stored in a different database than the info about what's in your gallery, or the info about your neopets. That being said, breaking the info down into multiple databases doesn't necessarily mean it's any faster to move since it still takes up the same amount of storage area.

alessia , January 16, 2015 3:08 AM NST I don't bother if the game will need an internet connection on, what I dislike is that you'll need a neopets account to play it. For safety reasons I don't want anything outside from what I usually use connected to my account. They could do like another very famous game (with birds and pigs) that need connection but don't need inevitably a registered account.

dimir31blueblack , January 16, 2015 4:57 AM NST If you don't feel safe using your real account, just use a side or make another.

morganjoisle , January 16, 2015 5:25 AM NST @dimir31blueblack: They might make a rule that it can only be to your main account or something. *shrugs*

katina_choovanski , January 16, 2015 7:08 AM NST I'd rather the current problems be fixed before new stuff is added.

avenning , January 16, 2015 7:33 AM NST Could you revise the purpose of that Lutari thing on our accounts that require beads that are unattainable? This is great and all, but TNT please focus on the gaps in your site.

beyondelsewhere , January 16, 2015 10:06 AM NST I am excited about the app. It'll give me something else to play on my phone other than Frozen Free Fall and Two Dots. Because I need more matching games to obsess over. Yay!!



*no sarcasm was used in this post. I legit have a FFF and TD problem. ahem*

snufflybot , January 16, 2015 10:43 AM NST Theres an update on facebook saying that the downtime has been extended for a few more hours. Just letting people know.

panthera_alba , January 16, 2015 11:04 AM NST Yeah, I kind of got the impression that maintenance was lasting longer when I tried to go on Neopets at around 10:30. Didn't have much luck.

almost_human , January 16, 2015 1:37 PM NST It is slower than ever for me.

spiderdragon , January 16, 2015 2:14 PM NST The lag seems to have gotten worse.

cat , January 16, 2015 7:23 PM NST On the down side the lag is worse than ever and the BD is glitchier.

On the up-side, it seems like the BD's forgotten about challenger specific prizes so codestones are easier to get than ever. Seriously, I just fought the Mutant Walrein enough to get 15 items, got no Walreins and 8 codestones.

panthera_alba , January 16, 2015 9:12 PM NST I can't access petpages. I get 'Error 404' every time.

chachaboobie , January 18, 2015 12:14 PM NST No improvement in site lag and more things are broken than before. TNT is not winning anyone's confidence with back to back disasters.

dimir31blueblack , February 27, 2015 9:15 AM NST Hahaha I'll play it for the rewards, I like rewards. "Adopt a petpet?" I'm sold.Hahaha I'll play it for the rewards, I like rewards.

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