Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: I’d encourage others to join this movement as a tactical maneuver if you ever want a TextBlade.

I’ve seen a trend starting years ago where people who decide to cancel often encourage others to do so. I’ve never seen even treg members ever encourage others to buy. We see it as a personal decision - and yes, we do tell people who see us using ours about the many delays as we also tell them why we like it so much. And then we figure they can decide for themselves.

But the idea of saying we should make it a “movement”, regardless of your reason, sounds more like you need validation for your own INDIVIDUAL decision.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: If enough people cancel orders, Waytools will go bankrupt (in which case, like me, you were wise to pull your money out while you still could). Or if they don’t go bankrupt, WayTools will have major incentive to force a shipment date with what they have/had.

Well, there are serious flaws in that. As it stands, with no cancellations, they may go bankrupt - no one outside the company is ever going to see the books so, until it ships, it is a possibility. Heck, it’s a possibility even after they ship until we see how things go. Imagine if Samsung’s first product was their nasty little phone that was too dangerous to allow on airplanes!

They could also take years more.

So, let’s look at what your “movement” does. Any risk of bankruptcy sure isn’t decreased! Thus, if that is a risk, you will only have made that part worse. And if it turned out to be the deciding factor, you have not only managed to prevent the device from being shipped at all, but for every person who got out in time, you have a far larger number who, because of you movement, will lose their money when otherwise they wouldn’t.

Now, for your other part, that you force them to ship. I can think of lots of problems with that, but let’s just assume that there were no other issues and they shipped the previous version. Might well be a success. But it is also possible it won’t be. After all, the average customer isn’t like the average tregger. We are far more likely to accept some problems. We are also more likely to be more careful in analyzing whether something is a TB problem or a user problem. I’ve described some of these things in the past so I won’t repeat here. In short, the major part of their market may reject the old version - so back to bankruptcy, though many will be happy with what they got - as long as it lasts - because after that, there is no replacement you can get.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: If it means we have to wait a year because too few units were produced to cover demand, I’m fine with that. It’s better than quietly waiting another 4 years, at which point WayTools would probably decide to re-engineer everything from scratch to cover Bluetooth G compatibility, delaying shipments yet another 4 years, and so on.

Since we don’t know how long for the old or new version to be produced in quantity - or even what all the stats are on all the issues in either version, you are saying what YOU think is “better”, but you don’t know if you assumptions are correct anyway.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: I don’t like telling people what an idiot I am for waiting 4 years for a product I thought would ship after a month (3, tops).

Fine. Makes sense. I just tell people I was well aware there were risks when I made my order and decided at that time that I was willing to risk that much money even if it never happened - and tell them that they shouldn’t order if they feel differently. I submit such comments as you are complaining about pale in comparison to the people who accuse treggers of being shills, of working for WT, etc. But they don’t decide what I risk and what I don’t either.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: I don’t like telling people about how I asked twice to be on the TREG list, but was denied.

Why tell them? Besides, I don’t think anyone is officially “denied”. There are people who, long after treg started, sent me private messages about how frustrated they were about not being chosen - and some of them were added later. WT has said more will be added ever after GR. True, we don’t know of any new ones lately, but I wouldn’t expect it until they have the new fork in the firmware ready.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: I don’t like telling people about how I asked for a broken TB to practice on, and I was given a link to some kind of CAD file instead, so I could supposedly print a blade on paper and practice that way (pathetic).

Well, that may be pathetic, but I don’t think you should be surprised that they wouldn’t send you even a broken TB. People tend to think of things just from their own viewpoint. But if WT sends you a broken one, then how do they justify not sending one to everyone who asks - and you know there would be a lot doing exactly that.

Sideshow_Leonard: Sideshow_Leonard: I don’t like telling people that the reason I don’t cancel is that every TREG review I’ve read has been absolutely shining.

People take risks all the time. I don’t much care if someone thinks my choices were wrong. And that has nothing to do with being in Treg. I felt the same way before treg even started.

While the reviews have been “shining”, they also have included some issues in some cases. Sometimes it can just be weird. Like I had an issue with hot corners suddenly not working. They worked fine for many months, but suddenly they almost never worked. For weeks. Okay, it would seem from that that something just wore out maybe so it wasn’t sensing that properly. Except for one thing. It started working again, just as well as it did originally. For weeks so far. That’s not a typical pattern you would expect to see! But I’ve posted about issues before and somehow those who keep saying they should ship manage to keep forgetting the negatives!

But I have no problem with your personal decision to cancel, for whatever reason you personally have. But pushing for a “movement” which could make things worse? Nah, not agreeing with that at all.