I feel like the VICELAND show is kind of a mellowed version of the web series, which I'm a huge fan of. I was wondering what went into that process.

Katya: Ativan, Xanax, and Valium. Just kidding. I'm sorry.

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Trixie: No, well, we've been spinning the double dutch rope for me and all my little friends who are all nine-year-old girls with braids in their hair. We all know how to jump rope really fast, but this new audience hasn't been jump roping with us, so we wanted to slow the rope down a little bit so they can jump it.

Katya: That is such a fucking great metaphor. That is so good.

Trixie: It's true, because, otherwise, they're gonna get whipped in the eye and have to leave recess early, because so many of our favorite jokes from the YouTube series are kind of like deep jokes that kind of compound over time.

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Katya: They're inside jokes, yeah. Yeah, they're really deep inside jokes, yeah. Yeah, the mellowing is really like a recalibration of wiping the slate clean, almost literally, it's black, white, and easing the audience into the neurosis. It's like tearing off a Band-Aid. You do it quick, there's nothing under there, you weren't even hurt in the first place, and then you move on.

What is the most important lesson that you've learned from each other?

Katya: From Trixie? That I need to quit smoking. That's it. Bottom line, cut and dry, point blank, easiest question. Go on to Trixie.

Trixie?

Trixie: Katya's actually, on a serious note, she's kind of the ultimate mindover-matter of everything. She can just quit smoking if she wants to. She could just quit hard drugs if she wanted to. She could tan as much as she wants to, if she wants to. She can do insane, crazy handstands just because she wills it. That's pretty amazing. And she's 35 and looks younger than me!

Katya: Mind over matter. That is a very nice compliment. A very rare one, you fucking bitch.

Trixie: She's so witty. She has a sense of humor that I just ... On a serious note, of my time and how long I'll live on Earth, she's probably one of the most cherished friendships I've ever had, but don't you fucking write that down.

Katya: Yeah, that's off the record, Bob. Listen, you know how the papers gonna spin this!

Trixie: Every night I take a PrEP and I put it under my pillow and I make a wish. That's how you take it, right?

I feel like the season of RuPaul’s Drag Race you both were on was criticized for being dull while it was on but you two in particular have gone on to be some of the most successful people from the entire series...

Katya: Do you think Albert Einstein was criticized while he was in the womb for being too stupid?

Trixie: I think it's just the timing. When Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, Betsy Ross turned around and was like, "We got candles, you dumb bitch. What are you doing?" You know what I mean? Two years later, it turns out the light bulb was the tea. I just think we were maybe a light bulb before our time. Whatever traditionally good things happen to people on Drag Race, didn't really happen to us, you know?

Katya: Yeah.

Trixie: We made the least of a great situation while we were there.

Katya: Yes. The irony, of course, being that it would be the candles that would burn Betsy's flag in her house to smithereens.

Trixie: Exactly.