They were tapping into the frustrations of voters, not just on the political system, but on the economic system. And I actually think that both Trump and Bernie, that their accelerant was tapping into a group of voters who had just been through, you know, a six or seven-year recession. And we tend not to dissect it that way or report it that way. I don’t mean media report, but in terms of the analysis. And I think that the much deeper connection with voters happened to be on the economic frustrations, as well as, listen, the dysfunction in D.C., and dysfunction in Congress. These were the people who felt left out. And it was, again, deepened by coming off of a recession where they’re seeing the economy moving, but they’re not feeling like they’re being, they’re part of the economy. It’s all going to the top. It’s all going to the corporations. It’s all going to other people.

At the same time, we’re dealing with a real cultural identity in the United States where there’s a group of people who were feeling left out, not only on the economic front, but that there were all these people who were put in front of them in importance, whether it was immigrants and whether it was refugees or whoever it was. Those are real feelings and they’re still there today.

But I think it’s much more about the economic frustration about people not feeling that they’re being heard or that they’re first. There’s no rallies for [the] middle-class guy who was emasculated in the recession from Pittsburg. There’s no bumper sticker. There’s no buttons. You know what I’m saying? And I think that that is still there.

And so whether it is the establishment candidate or not, which I don’t buy into those labels, I think it’s just whether a candidate, a candidate can tap into those voter frustrations, whether it is a Democrat or a Republican, this is who will be successful, that I’m going to be on your side and what we’re going to do is impactful for you to make sure you have opportunities in the economic life.

I think that’s the big debate of 2018. I think that if Democrats go down this rabbit hole of believing this race is all about Trump, you know, and same thing with Republicans, and don’t talk to people where they live in their communities, in their economic lives, then we will have missed the boat again.