MSNBC: Filmmaker Michael Moore joins Chris Hayes in Flint, Michigan to talk about his anticipated new movie, Fahrenheit 11/9, which explores how we got President Trump and what the stakes are this November.



Moore said the American left will have a better chance at "beating back" with someone like Vice President Mike Pence as president, in charge, because he has beliefs that can be debated. Trump, Moore said, has no ideology which makes him dangerous.



"We have a better chance of beating back this insanity with [Pence] than with whose currently in the White House because Trump's only belief system -- his only ideology is Donald J. Trump. That's what he believes in. Me, myself and I. That's a dangerous person to have in charge of the country," Moore said.













MICHAEL MOORE: I think it's possible, absolutely. I think that we have someone in the White House that has no respect for the rule of law, who dislikes democracy by an incredible degree, which doesn't make him really any that much different from other billionaires or CEOs because their business are not democracies. They rule by fiat, they decide, they make the calls, and they don't like having else having a say.



They also like to take home the bulk of the money with them. So, putting somebody like that in charge of a democracy is a very dangerous thing. It's more dangerous with him because he has a complete lack of ideology.



CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: You think it's more dangerous because he doesn't believe in anything.



MOORE: Absolutely.



People say to me, well if we impeach Trump, we'll have Pence. I go, 'great.' At least he believes in something and I'm not afraid of having the debate with Pence over whether or not that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago.



HAYES: For the record, I don't think Mike Pence believes that.



[LAUGHTER]



MOORE: Well, he believes that the Bible is the Word and earth is about 6,000 years old. He also believes that if you're gay, you can be converted into being straight. I can have that debate with him, too.



I believe that the American public will agree with me in that debate. We have a better chance of beating back this insanity with him than with whose currently in the White House because Trump's only belief system -- his only ideology is Donald J. Trump. That's what he believes in. Me, myself and I. That's a dangerous person to have in charge of the country.