Dutch ISPs Ordered to Block Pirate Bay The Fact The Filters Won't Work Appears Not to Matter Following a demand from Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN, the Court of The Hague has ruled that Dutch ISPs Ziggo and XS4ALL must ban customer access to the Pirate Bay . In the two ISPs' case against BREIN, the ISPs argued that imposing filters (much like the debate over SOPA in the States) could compromise the security of their networks, threaten freedom of speech, and ultimately probably wouldn't work anyway. The Court didn't see things that way, noting that roughly 30% of Ziggo subscribers and 4.5% of XS4ALL subscribers use The Pirate Bay to share copyrighted content. Both ISPs now have ten days to implement filters or face fines of 10,000 euros per day.







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FFH5

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member ISPs foot dragging They can implement filters in the ISPs routers to throw in the bit bucket any traffic going to or coming from the PirateBay's IP addresses. And they don't have to depend on DNS to know what those IP addresses are. They can start there, but then also block any IP address that they find are being used by ThePirateBay not in the DNS records. If people can bypass DNS systems to find &reach the PirateBay, then the ISPs can also find them and block them.



And yes, people can use proxy servers, but those can be blocked too, if they want.

Alex P

@sunwave.com.br Alex P Anon Re: ISPs foot dragging Genius!



And from there we can filter boobies. And religions we don't understand but don't like. And hippies. Pretty soon we'll have a beautiful Internet where nobody ever says or does anything we don't like (who cares if it no longer works or First Amendment rights get trampled). BosstonesOwn

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apparently you never heard of these things called ip addresses, when a whole block is given sure we can ban it, but when a single address is given and they are not in blocks and globally redundant you run into a major headache.



For example lets look at this on an extreme scale, lets try and block akamai from sharing content ? Thats right since its a massive range of ips from almost every country in the world with an ip block you can't, the router would quickly overload and completely trash the network.



It is not as easy as you seem to think, bit blocking does not work well, and merely slows down the network for everyone, dns blacklisting can be gotten around, and once we start blocking dns servers from other providers other then the isp we get into a real slippery slope and have then destroyed the internet as a whole. Kearnstd

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Mullica Hill, NJ Kearnstd Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging said by BosstonesOwn: apparently you never heard of these things called ip addresses, when a whole block is given sure we can ban it, but when a single address is given and they are not in blocks and globally redundant you run into a major headache.



For example lets look at this on an extreme scale, lets try and block akamai from sharing content ? Thats right since its a massive range of ips from almost every country in the world with an ip block you can't, the router would quickly overload and completely trash the network.



It is not as easy as you seem to think, bit blocking does not work well, and merely slows down the network for everyone, dns blacklisting can be gotten around, and once we start blocking dns servers from other providers other then the isp we get into a real slippery slope and have then destroyed the internet as a whole.

The Anti-Piracy types do not care about the structure of the internet or the can of worms opened by allowing blocking of websites. Mr Matt

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Fascist Corporations, whether in the US or a foreign country, demanding these draconian polices against websites, are psychotic just like Captain Queeg in the movie The Caine Mutiny.



Before the Internet was identified as the thief stealing the copyright holders profits, the thief was identified as home taping. Both the MPAA and RIAA attempted to make the production of consumer music and video recorders illegal. They weaseled the lawmakers into enacting a law demanding that manufactures of Hi-Fi Cassettes pay extortion to Copyright Control just in case a consumer might use the cassette to record copyrighted material before they even purchase the cassette. During the fight against home taping the copyright psychos pulled numbers out of their rectums to justify the fee.



Now their rectums are being used to supply statistics to describe losses caused by Broadband Subscribers downloading copyrighted material much of which the corporate psychos have no right to or to profit from. If the copyright psychos had their way, broadband subscribers would pay blackmail each month to the corporate fascists, just in case they download copyrighted material. The bottom line is that technologically inept politicians will enact laws that make the internet look like AOL did just before generic internet access became available. Subscribers can access only the content the corporate psychos want them to access. The lawmakers seem to have their heads up their rectums.

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Saint Louis, MO 1 edit Fronkman Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging even better they seem to think it is much more important to pay smart, motivated lawyers to extract money via tort than to pay smart, motivated writers to actually write some decent tv shows and movies.



what is the result?

1. granny gets sued because her 9 year old grandaughter downloaded a bieber song at her house

2. the industry whines about falling movie attendance because people refuse to see crap like "jack and jill," "deuce bigalow:european gigalo," "white chicks," "ballistic: eks vs. sever" and "glitter." (and those are just in the last 10 years!)



look at the top grossing movies of 2011:

1. harry potter

2. transformer

3. pirates of the carribean

4. kung fu panda

5. breaking dawn

6. fast five

7. hangover 2

8. the smurfs

9. cars 2

10. rio



1 (!!!!) of the movies (rio) was not a sequel or based on a previous work. that is an incredibly sad comment on the utter lack of creative thought in hollywood and a poor statement on humanity that we were still willing to give the studios 7 BILLION dollars just to see those 10 crappy movies. 40757180 (banned)

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Not going to work. If the website had one ip yes you can block it. Pirate bay got thousand of ip's, you can't block them all.

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging said by 40757180: Not going to work. If the website had one ip yes you can block it. Pirate bay got thousand of ip's, you can't block them all.



»Re: SOPA It will work. And any doc that shows pirate bay has thousands of IPs? That is absurd on its face. Kearnstd

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Mullica Hill, NJ Kearnstd Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging SOPA is censorship and should be burned at the stake. Piracy is just a guise to get suckers like industry shills to support it on web forums so that the government can filter out content that goes against them or their parent corporations later down the line.



Also if Content owners would embrace companies like Netflix rather than fight them off with absurd licensing fees and making them now possibly wait 56 days to rent the DVD then maybe less people would look to Piracy.



Oh another way to hurt piracy, get rid of regional releasing and region coding on media and films. release movies same day globally, release new TV episodes globally, remove region codes on physical media.



Currently there are dozens of good excuses to pirate things like TV shows. its not right for example people in Europe possibly have to wait a year for a US TV show.. Piracy comes in to save the day from clearly deliberate screwing of the customer.

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Tavistock NJ FFH5 Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging said by Kearnstd: its not right for example people in Europe possibly have to wait a year for a US TV show..



Food, Shelter, & Desperate Housewives. So, we have another HUMAN RIGHT identified:Food, Shelter, & Desperate Housewives.

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fuziwuzi Premium Member Re: ISPs foot dragging said by FFH5: said by Kearnstd: its not right for example people in Europe possibly have to wait a year for a US TV show..



Food, Shelter, & Desperate Housewives.

So, we have another HUMAN RIGHT identified:Food, Shelter, & Desperate Housewives. If your only defense is hyperbole, perhaps you have no defense. fuziwuzi fuziwuzi to FFH5

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said by FFH5: They can implement filters in the ISPs routers to throw in the bit bucket any traffic going to or coming from the PirateBay's IP addresses. And they don't have to depend on DNS to know what those IP addresses are. They can start there, but then also block any IP address that they find are being used by ThePirateBay not in the DNS records. If people can bypass DNS systems to find &reach the PirateBay, then the ISPs can also find them and block them.



And yes, people can use proxy servers, but those can be blocked too, if they want.

Interesting paradox between your statements here and your signature. Your signature indicates you're for "less government", yet you want the government micromanaging the internet with a system more draconian than the Great Firewall of China. Do you enjoy hypocrisy? Mr Matt

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Eustis, FL Mr Matt Member Re: ISPs foot dragging ThrowDemsOut reflects the opinion of those that want less government, but would be the first to complain if there are problems with government provided services. They demand improved fire and police protection. House on fire dial 911 someone breaks into their house dial 911. The small government advocates are freeloaders that do not want to pay for any shared service and will complain if all government services are not 100% perfect. On the other hand they want to dump the costs for providing those services on the middle class.

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San Diego, CA djdanska Premium Member something I support! When will they block cute cat videos?!?!

gballer

@reyrey.net gballer Anon Hey I would like the sites that play horror movie clips to be banned..Because I don't like them..



TIA!! DanteX

join:2010-09-09 DanteX Member FIlter the whiners out Why dont the ISPS just start filtering out the ANti Piracy groups from the web , blocking their domaons , IP adresses and show them they will not cave anymore zipjay

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South Williamson, KY zipjay Member to everyone who says to block the IP Blocking IPs will not work. What happens when the site changes ips? What if the bay sets up a system to change ips randomly every hour or half hour? What if they start setting up multiple mirrors of the site each changing the ip randomly at random times? If the ISP didn't unblock the ip after each change eventually they will run into problems with non pirate sites being blocked. your comment..

