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Hero MemberActivity: 490Merit: 500 Mark talking to anarchystar March 03, 2014, 05:17:33 AM #1



11:56:05 <anarchystar> i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk

12:28:17 <MagicalTux> [19:56:04] <anarchystar> i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk <- I guess so, if I didn't care I would have just closed everything as chapter 7 bankruptcy

17:09:20 <anarchystar>

Sunday, March 2nd, 2014

11:58:38 <anarchystar> let me know when you can talk about that open letter where debtholders become shareholders

11:58:50 <anarchystar> i represent over 1000 plaintiffs meanwhile

11:59:22 <anarchystar> we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition

14:19:06 <MagicalTux> [19:59:22] <anarchystar> we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition <- already got quite a few candidates lined up by the potential new owners

14:20:35 <anarchystar> what do you mean with potential new owners?

14:26:50 <MagicalTux> [22:20:34] <anarchystar> what do you mean with potential new owners? <- we've been in discussion for more than a week with different investors willing to buy mtgox and cover the missing funds

14:43:33 <anarchystar> yes ive heard that, but how concrete is this?

14:45:03 <anarchystar> also, why dont you offer me the chance to invest?

14:46:33 <anarchystar> i think its time you start talking

14:48:55 <MagicalTux> well, maybe the fact that you had guys following me and my staff outside our office could be part of the reason why we didn't include you in the recovery process ?

14:49:44 <anarchystar> we talked about that before, my lawyer took the initiative to try to contact you

14:49:56 <anarchystar> i think youre exagerating how far they went in that attempt

14:50:38 <anarchystar> also, the fact you lied to me about AML and 5 million, which made me loose even more by forcing me to buy back in, could also be debated

14:50:50 <anarchystar> we can go on talking about what happened or we can find solutions

14:51:15 <MagicalTux> well

14:51:33 <MagicalTux> either way right now anyone who wishes to take over is subject to the approval of the trustee in charge

14:51:42 <MagicalTux> I can give you their contact so you can have your japanese counsil converse with them

14:51:50 <anarchystar> yes please do so

14:52:06 <MagicalTux> if the trustee gives its approval for a plan you put together then it should be fine

14:52:39 <MagicalTux> note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)

14:53:48 <MagicalTux> do you have any email I could send the list to ?

14:53:57 <anarchystar>

14:54:56 <MagicalTux> sent

15:03:53 <anarchystar> got it

15:08:12 <anarchystar> i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has

15:08:48 <MagicalTux> [23:08:12] <anarchystar> i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has <- we want to try to get the court to accept bitcoin to be refunded as bitcoin, instead of converting it all to yen

15:09:00 <MagicalTux> because it would be more fair to the customers

15:14:13 <anarchystar> i will get back on this

15:14:27 <anarchystar> the first thing we will request through the court is a detailed explanation of how the 800k btc got lost

15:14:41 <anarchystar> you can save a lot of time by giving it now

15:22:17 <anarchystar> you have to realise its game over for you, you are done and burned (actually you are charcoaled) - so the best thing you can do at this point is assist in being completely transparant and help us make the best of this - number 1 being explaining to everyone how these coins got lost so the community can decide the best course of action

15:23:14 <anarchystar> we can be very fair to you depending how you handle this

23:20:59 <MagicalTux> actually

23:21:48 <MagicalTux> I'm providing details to the law enforcement, saying anything publicly could cause problems with the investigation

23:24:03 <anarchystar> i highly doubt that if they were stolen through a bug

23:24:21 <anarchystar> the community has much more tech knowledge to trace whoever did this

23:24:38 <anarchystar> than law enf will have in 100 years

23:26:05 <anarchystar> i think youre using it as an excuse not to say anything

23:33:39 <anarchystar> you made 10000's of people loose over 500 million usd, if you think this is the end of it you are mistaken, we will get to the bottom of this - you can come clean, help out and save face - or we will find out anyway - i would just stop hiding the truth if i were you, makes everything much easier

23:35:36 <MagicalTux> we are not at liberty to discuss details with anyone else than law enforcement

23:36:06 <MagicalTux> unless you want to see the investigation fail, of course

23:36:30 <anarchystar> ok, if thats the way you want to play if (same thing as the past 3 years), so be it

23:36:42 <anarchystar> im not falling anymore for that method

23:37:38 <anarchystar> trying to blame on others and making people docile by your last sentence

23:37:48 <anarchystar> pretty obvious now

23:38:40 <anarchystar> we will be filing today

23:38:58 <anarchystar> no other way if you continue like this

23:43:54 <MagicalTux> do you even understand what a police investigation is?

23:44:08 <MagicalTux> only the police can disclose elements they deem safe to be disclosed

23:44:22 <anarchystar> funny

23:44:32 <anarchystar> do you understand what fraud is?

23:45:23 <MagicalTux> I do, yes

23:45:53 <MagicalTux> I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in progress

23:46:21 <anarchystar> try explaining to the judge how you failed to report 500 Not sure if this is legit - but if it is, it is quite interesting. I will paste everything here:11:56:05 i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk12:28:17 [19:56:04] i saw the statement, my condolences.. i am still interested to talk http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z6qws/open_letter_to_mark_karpeles_and_the_bitcoin/ Sunday, March 2nd, 201411:58:38 let me know when you can talk about that open letter where debtholders become shareholders11:58:50 i represent over 1000 plaintiffs meanwhile11:59:22 we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition14:19:06 [19:59:22] we are interested in getting ownership of the exchange, but we dont want you to be the CEO.. just help with the transition what do you mean with potential new owners?14:26:50 [22:20:34] what do you mean with potential new owners? yes ive heard that, but how concrete is this?14:45:03 also, why dont you offer me the chance to invest?14:46:33 i think its time you start talking14:48:55 well, maybe the fact that you had guys following me and my staff outside our office could be part of the reason why we didn't include you in the recovery process ?14:49:44 we talked about that before, my lawyer took the initiative to try to contact you14:49:56 i think youre exagerating how far they went in that attempt14:50:38 also, the fact you lied to me about AML and 5 million, which made me loose even more by forcing me to buy back in, could also be debated14:50:50 we can go on talking about what happened or we can find solutions14:51:15 well14:51:33 either way right now anyone who wishes to take over is subject to the approval of the trustee in charge14:51:42 I can give you their contact so you can have your japanese counsil converse with them14:51:50 yes please do so14:52:06 if the trustee gives its approval for a plan you put together then it should be fine14:52:39 note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)14:53:48 do you have any email I could send the list to ?14:53:57 olivier@destiny.com 14:54:56 sent15:03:53 got it15:08:12 i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has15:08:48 [23:08:12] i would also like to know why you didnt include the bitcoin in the debt the company has because it would be more fair to the customers15:14:13 i will get back on this15:14:27 the first thing we will request through the court is a detailed explanation of how the 800k btc got lost15:14:41 you can save a lot of time by giving it now15:22:17 you have to realise its game over for you, you are done and burned (actually you are charcoaled) - so the best thing you can do at this point is assist in being completely transparant and help us make the best of this - number 1 being explaining to everyone how these coins got lost so the community can decide the best course of action15:23:14 we can be very fair to you depending how you handle this23:20:59 actually23:21:48 I'm providing details to the law enforcement, saying anything publicly could cause problems with the investigation23:24:03 i highly doubt that if they were stolen through a bug23:24:21 the community has much more tech knowledge to trace whoever did this23:24:38 than law enf will have in 100 years23:26:05 i think youre using it as an excuse not to say anything23:33:39 you made 10000's of people loose over 500 million usd, if you think this is the end of it you are mistaken, we will get to the bottom of this - you can come clean, help out and save face - or we will find out anyway - i would just stop hiding the truth if i were you, makes everything much easier23:35:36 we are not at liberty to discuss details with anyone else than law enforcement23:36:06 unless you want to see the investigation fail, of course23:36:30 ok, if thats the way you want to play if (same thing as the past 3 years), so be it23:36:42 im not falling anymore for that method23:37:38 trying to blame on others and making people docile by your last sentence23:37:48 pretty obvious now23:38:40 we will be filing today23:38:58 no other way if you continue like this23:43:54 do you even understand what a police investigation is?23:44:08 only the police can disclose elements they deem safe to be disclosed23:44:22 funny23:44:32 do you understand what fraud is?23:45:23 I do, yes23:45:53 I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in progress23:46:21 try explaining to the judge how you failed to report 500

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Hero MemberActivity: 868Merit: 1000 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 04, 2014, 09:58:14 PM

Last edit: March 05, 2014, 03:05:09 AM by repentance #7 Quote from: AnonyMint on March 04, 2014, 05:29:45 PM Quote from: TheFootMan on March 03, 2014, 05:17:33 AM 14:52:39 <MagicalTux> note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)



This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..



Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

You do realise that the laws regarding how various types of insolvency proceed and how creditors can take swap debt for equity existed long before Bitcoin and Bitcoin exchanges?



And yeah, it is quite typical for specific information related to criminal investigations to be with-held unless law enforcement believes that disclosing it prior to charges being laid would assist their investigation.



Frankly, if I was Mark I wouldn't even talk to people like anarchystar. No creditor or group of creditors is entitled to an advantage over other creditors of the same class and trying to subvert the insolvency process can lead to the claims of such people being subordinated. Veiled threats should be brought to the attention of those supervising the insolvency process - the people making them aren't doing so for the benefit of all creditors, only themselves.



Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.



pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u You do realise that the laws regarding how various types of insolvency proceed and how creditors can take swap debt for equity existed long before Bitcoin and Bitcoin exchanges?And yeah, it is quite typical for specific information related to criminal investigations to be with-held unless law enforcement believes that disclosing it prior to charges being laid would assist their investigation.Frankly, if I was Mark I wouldn't even talk to people like anarchystar. No creditor or group of creditors is entitled to an advantage over other creditors of the same class and trying to subvert the insolvency process can lead to the claims of such people being subordinated. Veiled threats should be brought to the attention of those supervising the insolvency process - the people making them aren't doing so for the benefit of all creditors, only themselves.Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.

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Full MemberActivity: 224Merit: 100 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 07:07:52 AM

Last edit: March 05, 2014, 07:30:29 AM by KCBitcoin #8



Reason #1:

Anarchystar is known as Olivier Janssens(

Since Mark and Olivier are both active in Bitcoin Foundation, they should have known each other.

Therefore, Olivier is not a random stranger to Mark, and he is the one who has a high probability that Mark will talk to when encountered.



Reason #2:

By looking at the time stamp Mark quoted Olivier's conversation for replying, there always appears to be a time difference between the quoted text and the original original text.

We can see that Mark's time stamp is always 8 hours ahead of Olivier's, which concurs with the time-zone difference between Japan(UTC +9) and Belgium(UTC +1)





The only thing we cannot insure is if the details of the conversation have been altered/tailored.

But this is some really valuable information you posted here. Thank you for your post.



One last thing, can you post the rest of the conversation here plz? Cuz I see the conversation ended with a incomplete sentence of Olivier's.

This looks highly legit.Anarchystar is known as Olivier Janssens( Source ), who is an active member of the Bitcoin Foundation from Belgium.Since Mark and Olivier are both active in Bitcoin Foundation, they should have known each other.Therefore, Olivier is not a random stranger to Mark, and he is the one who has a high probability that Mark will talk to when encountered.By looking at the time stamp Mark quoted Olivier's conversation for replying, there always appears to be a time difference between the quoted text and the original original text.We can see that Mark's time stamp is always 8 hours ahead of Olivier's, which concurs with the time-zone difference between Japan(UTC +9) and Belgium(UTC +1)The only thing we cannot insure is if the details of the conversation have been altered/tailored.But this is some really valuable information you posted here. Thank you for your post.One last thing, can you post the rest of the conversation here plz? Cuz I see the conversation ended with a incomplete sentence of Olivier's.

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MemberActivity: 82Merit: 10 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 07:29:56 AM #9 23:45:53 <MagicalTux> I do not not see however what this has to do with me giving or not giving you confidential details on the investigation in



progress

23:46:21 <anarchystar> try explaining to the judge how you failed to report 500 million in bitcoins

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Full MemberActivity: 157Merit: 100 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 07:34:30 AM #12 Quote 14:26:50 <MagicalTux> [22:20:34] <anarchystar> what do you mean with potential new owners? <- we've been in discussion for more than a week with different investors willing to buy mtgox and cover the missing funds

14:43:33 <anarchystar> yes ive heard that, but how concrete is this?

That's the part that caught my eyes That's the part that caught my eyes

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Sr. MemberActivity: 364Merit: 250American1973 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 09:05:15 AM #17 Haha, "do you understand law enforcement"?



So, he is a pawn of law enforcement, allowing them to run the deposit window. They are going after the SR bad guy(s) ostensibly. "Windows XP: End the Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!" http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411978/pg1 Check out my prescient ATS thread from 2008:

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LegendaryActivity: 1316Merit: 1000 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 09:08:16 AM #18 Quote from: repentance on March 04, 2014, 09:58:14 PM Quote from: AnonyMint on March 04, 2014, 05:29:45 PM Quote from: TheFootMan on March 03, 2014, 05:17:33 AM 14:52:39 <MagicalTux> note that the process we are in right now also allows us to start a process where everyone's debt is converted to share holding of the company, however this requires approval of at least half of the customers (around 500k people)



This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..



Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

This has the signature of the official bail-in plans published by the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the EU, etc..Starting to see pattern here, as I suspected as to who is really in control right now.

Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.



pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u

Also, this link from reddit suggests that anarchystar is behind mtgoxrecovery.com (who've repeatedly refused to disclose who is behind them), a BF forum thread promoting them was made by Olivier Jenssens although yet again no information was forthcoming about who was behind them and their broader intentions.pastebin.com/1M0Qn59u





Yes i would like Oliver Jenssens to disclose what law firm he is working with & he hasn't even after many have asked. Whoever takes over gox must be legit i dont wanna be goxed anymore





so everyone knows.... Oliver jenssens = anarchystar = mtgoxrecovery.com



Yes i would like Oliver Jenssens to disclose what law firm he is working with & he hasn't even after many have asked. Whoever takes over gox must be legit i dont wanna be goxed anymoreso everyone knows.... Oliver jenssens = anarchystar = mtgoxrecovery.com

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Sr. MemberActivity: 364Merit: 250American1973 Re: Mark talking to anarchystar March 05, 2014, 09:13:02 AM #19 Just like the bank bailins, you will get "shares"



Once the FBI figures out how to steal more crypto --oops they already know how. "Windows XP: End the Cyberwar, Open the Code Now!" http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread411978/pg1 Check out my prescient ATS thread from 2008: