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conversation, sometimes worth recording, with Josh Janssen and Tommy Jenkins



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the daily Talk



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Show Episode 185. I'm coming from Santa rainy right now.



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Yes, going on TJ right. Congratulations. Congratulations, but I'm coming Dave rooms and killed at night. Congratulations truly 490 apps. Let's say it's a nice



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round but I say 190 or to digest 995 I've kind of remember 790



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it's very early night for you. But either way it is Episode 180 and 190 It's a milestone was so close to 200. And I said to you last week, man if this is the the week that I'm does this know



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what you should be? You shouldn't be congratulating me for my location, just like we've discussed how you feel a bit weird when people? I don't know if we spoke about it on the show, but people congratulating you for being in the newspaper



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for having a viral video go semi viral. It's, yeah, it feels weird. I congratulated on that. I



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don't think I should be congratulated from where I am. But I should be congratulated on finding internet right now. That works.



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Yeah. Did you do it?



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Well, we just got a 4g SIM card. So I'm just running off that and I'm having to use my phone to speak to you rather than the computer.



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Sounds good. And yeah, I mean, we're on you're on a small island. And it's pretty it's pretty far away from me right now. Fact. I love technology. Geez,



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what's the latest on the Omnia seven.



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Oh, it's blowing up it went viral and LinkedIn. It's all that says it's just there's a bunch of coffee fans who are overworked.



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And for this time wasters. Yeah, I've



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had a few people make some videos in like response. One guy, poor guy. I actually just don't want to give you any oxygen. This one guy was like, saw this, I saw this guy make a video, and I'm going to debunk it or something like this. He's like, he made a video about how a $2 fits into the $1 I like I'm so tempted, right? Do you even watch my video? Because the main point should actually tell him you know, he should do you should say an iPhone will fit in your ass if you try and see if he will try and debunk it.



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So he kind of just points out that.



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I mean, it was like if you watch the video, the main purpose is a three to live. It's in the tool and not the tool if it's in the $1. That was just like a little side. And so he goes in the bank this $2 15 to the $1. Cool, Good work. Good work, right?



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What was he? What was the industry that he was working in? I you know what I don't.



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I'm apprehensive of going on to these people's profiles. He had some like, yeah, weed status. It didn't say his job title that I didn't want to go on because it will tell him that I've been on his profile. it'll seem like a big career. He's probably listening to the podcast. Shall I



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have all mine? I have it hidden so people like people can see when I look at their profile.



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Yeah, well, yeah. So this is the heat. This is the name of the video. So Tommy jacket, think seven lemons scamming him. This video reply points out the flawed logic that led to his outrage. Pretty sure he hasn't watched my video, because he then tagged the project in it and said the project Did you not even bother to try this?



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is maybe I'll jump on there pretending to be his boss and saying, hey, Darren, you did is within business hours. Don't bother coming in on Monday.



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Yeah, it's internet interesting,



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productive, productive with bingo board, some weed job title. Yeah, maybe it's



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one of those bingo board. It sounds like there's a whole industry of people who I don't think this is what it is. But when I heard that title, yeah, it sounds like the people that go to conferences and draw. I don't know if you've ever seen them but you know, they they have like a big it's not whiteboards, a big pieces of card. And they'll do like these graphics, like sort of illustrations as the speakers are talking. Yeah. And then at the end, people can come up and take photos, I can live infographic.



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And James said to share that James for getting us getting Josh onto Redis and Josh becoming the most annoying person on earth while he's on a holiday on a tropical island. You've ruined



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the funny thing is that your I love your respect your pushback that you've been giving to read it and my relentlessness in keeping, keeping on bringing it up? Yeah, he's one of my favourite things. The same vein, like how you know, when do we do the episode tomorrow? How about this time? And I'm like, Yeah, man read. It's great to.



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And what am i right back to you? I said, Well, Santa read. Santa rainy is even better.



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Now. Well, the funny thing is you pointing to strike, Matt, you're like, looking forward to get a strategy in place on this is like, hold you fucking horses. But yeah, the Reddit is taking off out the subreddit, even though I'm one of the only people posting but we've had a couple of others. Couple of posters. It's great.



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It is good. James also said to me just around. This is interesting to hear your thoughts around the 711 thing. And this is maybe the third kind of thing that's gone a bit nuts. For me. We said how many the



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thousand steps? Yeah. Yeah. And now?



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It was it was a rhetorical question. Someone he said, how many of these do you need to do before you realise it's not luck? But if I if we take that away, and it's not based on my experiences, but it's like, proving to yourself that you can actually do something? in anything you do. It's like, at what point? Do you become convinced internally, that you're either actually good at something or you're capable of it? It's it I think it's a weird thing, like gaining confidence in something you're doing.



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As a child having three wins, has it changed your perspective of the whole sort of genre and the style of video?



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So my perspective is that it's not that hard to do. Like, it's enough. It's been one a year, but I haven't actually tried hard to do what I've done three years in a row.



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Well, you've always known when it was going to take off like before 711 you were ramping up your you're ready for being, you know, having it appear in mainstream media and shit like, yeah,



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yeah. And any of these ideas that have done well, except for the thousand steps, one cuz you went around, then we, we weren't hanging out then. But I, like I totally, it's like, I see something happening. And I kind of have this feeling about it. And it's worked. And so it's like, I'm convinced that I know that when I have that feeling, I'll be able to say it. But you can totally reverse engineered this stuff. If that's what you want. It's not exactly what I want.



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Well, it's I think that the risk of it is, is that it could potentially be similar to say, you the YouTube algorithm. So you know, I had my digital minimalism video that did well. And then I was like, Ah, now if I create one that's on the list, I know that I'm gonna get X amount of views, you can start, like I remember, I was strategizing if, like if I did a series on how to podcast, and I timed him around this, like, and I don't know, I think that the balance there is to keep creating stuff that you you love and that you're interested in. And so that because the reality is if you want to get into the news, you could do like that. wacko dude. Remember, who would go to oz open and did the gronk pray, you know, I'm crazy to with long hair years and years ago, early 2000s. He was known as like the public past. And he would like he jumped out on the track. So it's like, there's lots of ways to get on in the media or spoken about, but it's fun. The interesting and quirky angles. Yeah, I



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guess what I like about this is some it's something that I actually was interested in for quite a while. And so same with the other stuff. But yeah, each time you get another shot and positioning yourself as somebody so at least they refer to me as a filmmaker, and I'm doing the thing that I actually love doing. And so it's Yeah, it's interesting, it's interesting to see how people react to these things and, and how it pushes people's buttons. And I don't think I'm not in that in the game of just wanting to push people's buttons non stop. But I am in the, you know, the game of making impact with what we're creating. So it'll be interesting to take some of these and go, what's something really super meaningful to approach to apply this to, and I might get half half the engagement, but will be much more impact and life changing for somebody I didn't



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I think that I would potentially get gun shy on doing it. Like if I was to if I was the specifically the 711 one, you have to be ready for a little bit of criticism and people people having a go, was it what you expected?



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And you know the thing it's like flying so fast. There's actually some good points that people make and then I my approach is Come on guys, this is fucking pretty light like this is I can clearly say I'm not that fucking serious about all of this. Yeah. And I



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find that you bring into it.



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This because people bring this like series of I'm like, all right, my turn on LinkedIn. Yeah. Darren on LinkedIn. So it's it's been an interesting up, but I can't wait to the one that we something that we do. We'll get another one next year for sure. You and I. And hopefully we seen the next me on the project. It



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may be more fun. So what's been the weirdest interaction that you've had from the success?



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of the Yeah, nothing that weird. I actually, I told you, I read it out that guy who worked



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on the 711 guy



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who was abusing me, but I have actually got I went in this morning as I fuck, I hope this guy doesn't see me as some recognise me as someone who hates 711. But then again, I am a regular customer. So he's probably he can't quite get it. He's like, that guy looks so much like that guy was trying to take us down. But he's here every day.



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So I don't quite get it.



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The



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Yeah, it's I think it's fun. I think it's good. Like, it's good to have that creative. Like, it's, you're flexing a muscle. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you coming up with an idea and then building around it. Yeah. And



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I was talking to me yesterday, and I don't like just banging on about 711 with the or, you know, making it feel like this is a 711 show. But from an ideas for from an ideas perspective. I let that ideas settle. And I didn't act on it in a long time. And you could look at it as I, I was lazy. ob, I just internally didn't feel that it was the right time. And I was watching a video of me sitting in my office back in almost a year ago. It was like the 11th month of the year. And I was talking to the camera about 711. And the coffee stuff. Yeah. And so it's like that's nearly 12 months that I didn't act on it. But within the 12 months, it's bubbled away and become so much bigger than it was. And so I actually went down



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the rabbit hole video come out.



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Yeah, I've got to work on that this week. I want to get it done before I come over phase.



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So basically, for people who don't know, you sort of you typically do one video, which is the the border colour, it's the one that sparks the interest. Yeah. And then you follow it up with a narrative in because you've got a bunch of footage like you and I captured some stuff. Have you tried getting me to test the 711? Coffee? You've got all these different bits?



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Yeah. So I build out like segments. And I string them together with the narrative is essentially and those segments can do well on their own, which is actually, I you know what i? I actually didn't, I stumbled across in that kind of approach with the bike when I made that one. I made that I brought one in showed you, you're like, yeah, great if I can put that out. And then it blew up. And then the other one sort of ease out



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of the



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Yeah, I'm proud of the longer ones because it has they had her and it takes more time to sort of craft the storey within it because they are longer. So they're not just like little bites that you see on the radio station website. But yeah, but it's interesting. So what in terms of like letting an idea sit? What do you think is? Is the



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Yeah, I think that probably probably think that most people let ideas sit for too long. I think that more people have a sitting problem than they do in executing too much problem. And I think that probably if you had done the video six months ago, you probably would have had a similar response. Yeah. But yeah, it's all timing thing. Like you felt like it was right. So it was right. And so I think that if you actually worked out if you combined the thinking time, and then worked out what it actually required of you, you wouldn't have had to do nearly as much thinking time in as what you actually did.



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Yeah. It's so funny. Because when you actually do win in on something you have been sitting on for a long time we go The idea was strong the whole entire time? Or is it a timing of it that was that made it stronger? And so you don't know, it's like James's question. How many of these, you know, do before you? You realise that? It's not just luck? I don't know.



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Yeah. Well, I mean, Ryan, Joan is a good example of someone who does that collective now and who I've mentioned, it's, there is a not a formula, but there was a approach to looking at the content you're creating, it's about leading with, who was the audience? I think that if we look at Obama, we look at 711. The reason why that's done really well, you know, those those videos is because there's already a connected audience that are going to be interested in it.



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Yeah, yeah. And they know, I have that issue. And it's, and it's, it's just in my head, and it's around not liking to sort of be dictated, or not liking to dictate my content based around that, which is probably as my pushback, it's like, when you are strategizing away, met de Villa or even talks about it on his podcast about, he doesn't like, you know, playing to that algorithm. But, you know,



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I think that it serves a purpose. I think that it's the, I guess the answer is the algorithm isn't the audience. But unfortunately, the audience is sometimes dictated by the algorithm. So I think that it's become, it's become a part of the equation. So, you know, like, if, if everyone is watching, and even, you know, Seth Godin has spoken about this. He's been really stubborn about things and said, I'm never going to do this, because this isn't what I do. And this, and he's missed out on a lot of opportunity because of that. And so I think that it's sometimes worth while realising whether you're wrong, or the markets wrong. Yeah. And because there's a bunch of it's like with the podcasting thing, I could have this, and I've spoken about so much about podcasting and sort of feeling like it's, it feels too light. And Rob Ward, from quad lock would be probably punching your steering wheel right now, because he's already talked me off about talking about it. But the yet like, it's you can't let that get in the way you can't let I think that if you start playing into Well, I'm not gonna listen to what the audience wants. I think that you you risk allowing your ego to get in the way.



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Yeah, I think it's good to have an external person. So for instance, I would like for you, when you get back to be kind of throwing these things out that you're saying. And it's like the ones I might I don't want to do all of them. But it's like the ones that actually catch my interest. Because that's, I think, what needs to be for my current style of filmmaking, I need a real fascination and interest in the topic to actually pursue it. Yeah. But if there's someone like you who who is really great at being strategic and, and seeing the trends and looking on these sites, we can see the keywords that are being searched, it's I actually liked that idea of someone going, what about this? Hey, check out this. Yeah,



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that's like, okay, that's the opportunity to have more cracks at it. Right. rather than it being something that you, you know, do once a year, I could imagine you and i doing every single month having a video that has that sort of interest? Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's good Christian, how, look at what Christian home does with he's, you know, sort of focusing on categories. So it's, you know, like, people, it's that sort of, like, you know, shit nurse this I type content like he's done. Yeah. Over a dozen of those now, and they all do tremendously. Well.



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Yeah.



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Yeah. Okay. Well, same time. I'm sure if you ask him, he probably says that. That's not the only content that he wants to like, if he had to just create that content, and nothing else. It probably be born out of Esports. Yeah,



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yeah. I think you do certain things. Like for instance, the Lego signing the rabbit hole one, like the longest storey is the one that actually fulfils me more than the small bite size thing that goes viral.



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Yeah. And it's because that's where it's like, that's me flexing. Because I find them hard, I find it like challenging the smaller bits of easy, I can pump pump that out and like an hour, you know, an hour and a half of editing. And so it's a different type of storytelling as well, right? It's like, the difference between a very simple idea, like what the project wants to communicate, or what news com you want to talk about. And if you look at what you know, the Herald Sun article, and that original video from like, the year prior or whatever, it was such a basic video. So that's the interesting part of it, too. Is that like, you can bring that other element to it. Yeah. Which is it you know, an extended production?



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Yeah, yeah. without it being too hard.



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Because it's talking about production.



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I've gone down a rabbit hole. I've posted it on our I'm



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gonna get on the project.



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is purely it's no it's not production on my on my side of things. It's me consuming older content. Ozzy TV, brain I before you and I got on this call, we thought we'll see what's been happening on Australian TV and we went to the Tim play website. I and I saw that changing rooms is coming back.



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What was it that's what is it just you renovate people renovating each other's rooms or



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your mates renovate each other's rooms or whatever? And it's a lot of times it ends in disaster.



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Yeah, the tearing down the strip and Paul in the middle of Brian's night. She's gonna be What is this?



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Exactly. And she's not a stripper. Yeah. The Bat who might be able to use it remember Susie Wilkes? Yeah, transition. I was really excited by the idea that Susie world's I was as a kid. massive fan. 10 years. I



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know may you're thinking of Who Dares Wins. Yeah,



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that's it. I sorry. I have opened up the nostalgia.



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Yeah, yeah. You fact that there's there's two there's two different articles I've posted. ones is the changing rooms. ones is for Susie Wilkes. Yes, yes, he works. I was upset when I was a kid. I remember my cousin worked with her. My cousin worked at double t FM, the radio station. And she was friends with Susie. I remember. She knew for a fact that she had had a boob job. And I thought that was a 10 year old. I was like, blown away by this is this fact. So changing rooms became became my favourite show.



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Classic. You had no idea? What even a boob job?



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Yeah, what was really? I didn't know what was going going on. You know, it was a bit hard. Not doing it. Exactly. I got behind the height. But no, the the new host is going to be Natalie biassing quite



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interesting. I mean, she's gonna do something after a music career. I think that's what happens. You know this, the thing about TV in Australia is like they're just recycle. Everybody who's previously done something there. That just is why can't



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they bring back Mike with me? And 10 years I enter then night? I'd be happy with that. Days wins. If Have you seen it? Like, everyone's got to go to reddit.com forward slash forward slash the daily top. So I'm going to add eventually a link from the daily talk show.com. But until then you're going to just have to have to find it. Anyway, there's a video that I posted, which is an episode from Who Dares Wins. And the the, like how animated the presenters were like Michael Whitney, and just how he was like, this is this is actually original Tommy jacket, like you've had a shift in the last four years of being excitable. Hey, it's Tommy jacket, he we're out on the straight to something a little bit more sort of mellow, you would you were actually primed for 90s TV presenter. I know.



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Because I used to go into training, present TV presenting courses, and is still TV presenting courses around pretty that there's no TV presenting roles actually going to you training for something that isn't existent. It should be YouTube classes now. Yet where you actually learn how to talk to a camera like a human and edit your own videos and tell storeys, so it's like I actually spent thousands of dollars, learning how to be jewels land, but then



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know some of the tips like what will give us an insight into what it takes to be a presenter, what were some of the things you'll do smile into the shot,



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which I use some of these now. Because I kind of good smile into the shot. So you know, three to stop counting and smile, and then go. So it's like, you know,



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small, intimate, so just as you're about to start, yeah,



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you know what it is, it's about knowing the energy. And if you're at a funeral, you're presenting live from a funeral, don't do that.



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But don't smile into the shot,



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turn smile into the shot, but at least know the energy that you're bringing to the shot. As soon as you know, the camera is rolling. That was one of them. What else what else? What else is there? I mean, I learned most of my stuff from radio. Because half the time it's like it's like, you know, the practice is what made me be out of it's like, I'm thinking ahead of what I'm actually saying. And so finding those two, where you you actually can connect your words to something that and be in the moment. And that came from radio talking a lot. But there was nothing much that they actually taught. And smartly bringing the energy.



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Do you think we try and apply too much sort of forethought to these types of things or apply? Like if this is a strategy, like when it comes to say people like Eddie McGuire is, you know, a Melbourne personality who there's all these things, myths about these types of people, if I can have a just, you know, if they'll remember your name for, you know, five years, and they'll be able to do this and that, do you think, like, at least just myths that have just eventually made it their way? Or do you think it's actually a required thing to be a good presenter now,



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I think the successful people have been asked these, so they've tried to break down what they do. And these are some of the things that they might do, but they come so naturally. So there is a fine line between the period of time that your amateur to actually becoming successful, or, you know, I guess landing a few roles or whatever be, but then those things will be weeded out by then. And you you'll just be doing you because that's the only way you can survive is when you're doing you. And so I like if I think about what I what I do, I can't like yeah, and I'm, you know, looking at my self as some successful person, but he made trying to tell people's like, yeah, you know, like, speak to everybody, like, show interest in lot, you know, lots of people and it's I mentioned trying to tell someone how to be me, and then them do it for them. It's not going to work. So you get, and you might take some little elements like the name thing. I mean, the name thing isn't going to get you isn't going to be the thing that makes you successful. Like remembering someone's name.



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It's it is plenty



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of celebrities, it could be fuck about anybody and they don't care about you know, who they talent on pretty well.



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I think that there's some Keystone habits, I guess that Yeah, help is a book that I read called. Never eat alone. And that was a hard one. It's sort of suggests this idea that every lunch should basically be like a meeting. It's like, right? Always have, like, isn't that that's pretty full on? It's,



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it's really full on? It's that guys?



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Yeah, it's I people who have read how to win friends and influence people, you know that they've read it? Because they ask you lots of questions. Yeah, it's almost a bit manic. Like they can't tell you anything about them. And they're just sort of the trading you like your psychology patient. Yeah,



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yeah. And I think some think for some people, then any goes through that. And it's a way for them to learn, and fail and learn and fail to find their feet and find their unique voice. I know I've done stuff in the past that have probably been like a bit cringe. And it's not what I do now. But I've kind of, I feel more, you know, in my own self, and in alignment with who I really am, when I'm doing like, you know, on camera and stuff than I ever have. But that's just because I'm older. And I've actually just kept chipping away a bit better. And I know myself as well. And I know myself better. And so that's the annoying thing, right? I think it's like some people who just a naturally amazing it sort of being themselves on camera, and if your goal is to be a presenter or whatever it be. And for some people that will take years and for some it comes really easily and early. And so it's like for major didn't I don't think



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yeah, it's I I just think there's such a massive difference between what's on TV now. Yeah, and TV. But the thing is, I actually think if you watch Who Dares Wins that I posted in our subreddit, yeah, it's so punchy. It's like a really good pace to it. And Mike Whitney's got a real good vibe. I think it's a solid show. I want to say come back.



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I loved it. They snuck around the strangest, you know, I might, if you do this, I'll give you 20 bucks. Oh, yeah. No worries.



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Everyone.



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Did you actually see them on the straight? Never? I think they probably haven't seen the yellow the time. Yeah, I am where we're staying. Right now we've got a spa. And we've we've moved rooms. Once basically, for the first two nights. We're in one spot. And they said, on the final night, we'll move into like the sunset. So you can see the sunset better. So we thought that was cool. But the thing is that the they also said that there was a bit more privacy in this in this bar. And so with the spa that were in previously, it was sort of it was lit up and it felt like people could sort of sit we were sort of at the top on a roof, but it felt like people could sort of see down onto us. Yeah, so we, you know, it was sort of a bit conscious of that. But tonight, we noticed that our spa doesn't have a light. Like I felt like it was a little bit more private. So Bry somehow, she she went in naked and then I was going in with my undies, and she said told me to stop being a pussy and to take Mondays off. So I did and then as I got in it was all fine. And then like two minutes later, the all the lights come on that we did in fact have a lot. It was just old on a timer. Classic. So it was it was a little bit of a red tomato the bubble. were too quickly to press the eject button, which was the bubble button. Yes to avoid offending anyone.



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That's the classic and before we started this podcast, you said that you can hear somebody next door is that?



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Yeah, I think we could hear me it's um, I think it's probably a bit of a sort of a honeymoon spot.



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Yeah. Having the Research Centre any online is pretty much all of these



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bargains and honeymooners. Yeah, you know what, there's a lot of American.



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Yeah, he's speaking of Bogan.



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Yeah, well, I I put up on the owl subreddit. There we go again. But it's called behind the scenes of a Santa rainy sunset photo. Have you seen this?



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Yeah, I did say that. And I and I've experienced that night. People like clapping as the sun goes down. Did you hear that?



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Yeah, but you sort of the way that you sold it in was it was this sort of, like if I people are applauding, it sounds like this really beautiful thing. I had this, like, I was walking back going out of the crowds. And I had this lady. Like, who would have been probably in her 70s elbowing me in the bag. And so she was actually elbowing someone behind me. And that lady cracked it. And she said something like, Yeah, she said, you can go in front, like that's not acceptable. She was basically make it a bit of a cultural sort of reference sign, like, I don't know where you're from. But this is an acceptable type of thing and said, a lady went ahead. But I just stood my ground and ended up like, she was just like, pushing me pushing me pushing me and I was just like, standing there was walking alone. Now well, the thing is that the crowd like it was a huge crowd. And people were just on holidays, affection, and impatient. And so she was literally just trying to get ahead of everyone else, even though everyone was going in the same direction. And in Greece,



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in Sandri in where you are, it's like just little passage wise, that tiny, like, if something went down, it would be absolute pandemonium. There's, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people. Just going through these little passage,



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you look at the video that I posted, and it's just like, you the photos that you see even the photos you see that Bry I haven't been posting that much. But if you say embrace it, Instagram, it's just you see these picturesque shots. And you just don't see many people but the video that I posted that actually shows you how crazy it gets.



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Yeah. It's crazy. People get to the spots like an hour before and wait to be able to have the prime spot to watch the sunset.



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Such as we'd like to enjoy. Like, for me, I I get a little bit, you know,



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not the right word. I definitely it ruins the vibe a bit for me. I think I take that shit on a bit more than what you do.



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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's all in the experience. We were staying maybe 15 minutes away from where you are in Santa rainy. And when we drove down there on our quad bike and parked, got this awesome rock star spot went and had dinner and then watch the sunrise and then secondary sunset sunset. Then we jump back on to our bark after the hellish trying to get out of the little car doors. And we we rode back to theorise, fear, sorry. And it was the most unbelievable moon, the light from the moon this full moon was crazy. Just like lit up the whole entire sky. We saw it coming up. So it's like this. You know, for me, it's like the journey. Everything was everything else was annoying about it. But I remember some really good Yeah. And so for people in holidays, there is an awesome? Well, I think at the moment you feeling and you sort of analysing. And you coming to me talking to me about something, which is what I probably would if I was if I was reflecting in the moment on what was going on. But now I just



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felt like maybe do you think there is a risk in our risk, but I just think that say that I worry about painting pictures of perfect everywhere I like I think like as I see it, and I can definitely paint it that way. And it's like it there is there is a level of having gratitude, which is really important in life. But do you think that there's potentially a risk in for all the people who can't have that opportunity to go and travel, that there's this perception that it's this, you know, this picture risk thing, that's where there is like there is a bit of a dark side of people show like, I was just like deconstructing some of the faithful where it was like, there was there was some people on a sort of a bedding that sort of have it, they would have had an Airbnb that would have cost, you know, 10 grand a night or whatever. And they had this amazing view, and was that it was a hotel, so that there would have been spending a lot of money to be there. And the there was a girl in her robe on the roof with champagne. And I was like deconstructing it, which was like, she had the same sort of spot that we had. Yeah, but we're like, we're often the sort of the public area. And I was like, this is like real cynical of me. But I'm like she's wearing a robe, because she's taking heaps of photos because she needs to show on her Instagram account that she was in a private area where she had access to this where she could wear her robe. And that was almost the only thing that she had on every other person who had like, arrived on a bus or something. I



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really think that looks good. I mean, there are people who are super, like, overthinking this stuff. But then I've got a friend who just like he's cheeky. He's flamboyant. And he just like, you know, does those kind of photos and loves it and just loves this. Just Yeah, just



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enjoys. I think you've got a girlfriend. I think I get I do get very cynical. I mean,



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look at going this is sad. Like this person maybe has real self esteem issues. Like he got real dark with it. And I'm sure there is Yeah, there's a lot of people like a lot of people. You know, for me, it's like that bath tub photo of Bodie, you know, I like we've hardly manufactured that because there was a if you look on my Instagram, they're just trying to get a few blocks up here. Josh, we there's a bathtub with this most amazing view at this house. And Bodie and Amy and I are in the bathtub. And we the bathtub wasn't there when we got there. So this is fun. This is an amazing photo this will be memorable and and so maybe that's what people look like they just say this is like a moment, but then there is the dark side. Just depends on how



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Yeah, definitely. I'm Where are you that I I feel like my inclination is to actually paint like, I have all these positive things appearances by almost don't want to just lead with that. Because I feel like it's it's this sort of unattainable bullshit sort of existence. But I feel like sometimes it can come across as ungrateful. So to be clear, having a great time. Yeah, good to see people piss me off sometimes.



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And when you say having a great time, you mean having a great time on Reddit,



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on Reddit? subreddit, it's reddit.com. forward slash forward slash the daily talk show? Yes, we've already had. We had one from I think it was a poll who sent us the was talking about him being underground and working on the ground to this heaps of interesting information around that.



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Yeah, yeah. I got into that this morning. Have you heard of that chat for just one last thing? It is. One more week until we're New York City. Yeah, my four shows four shows remaining. before we're back in the same room doing the show. So if you've hung in there, over the last, however many apps, Thank you.



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Appreciate it.



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Shout out to you.



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Amanda, and did you have a word of the day?



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Yeah, I had so much to get through. But we really just, it's because we haven't sort of spoken for three days that we just blurted it out and got through 40 minutes of talking. So I will really want to hold this is a good one. It's a Yeah, I want to hold it off for tomorrow. I think



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I guess right? Well, mine Mine was mod cons model mod cons means



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I can imagine an older person saying Oh, that's good. All the new mod cons. So roofing doesn't mean like mod modern



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guns something cons I don't know modern something modern invention. modern conveniences. Okay, mana usual. instal installations of modern half of a modern house such as hot water or heating the boats got all the mod cons. Have you seen that? Scott? heating in his boat?



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Yeah.



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If you've got if you've got a boat and you got 18 your boat, you're doing well. Exactly. Well, if you're going to wear a robe to get the photos, you need to make sure you still be toasty time. The Daily talk show everyone at higher the daily talk show.com if you want to send an email, or if you want, please join us on Reddit. Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one. Hey, guys.

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