ShatteredSummers said:





Honchkrow @ Flyinium Z

Ability: Moxie

EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

Adamant Nature

- Mirror Move

- Sucker Punch

- Brave Bird / Drill Peck

- Superpower



If you guys aren't familiar with Z-Mirror Move, it's probably the most broken Z-status move to even exist. No joke.

It gives the user a +2 Atk boost, THEN copies the opponent's last attack by turning it into a Z-attack.



Given the right circumstances, you could easily KO the opponent with Mirror Move off the +2 boost, activate Moxie, and give Honchkrow another +1, for a total of +3 Atk in a single turn.





2. Nobody noticed that Slurpuff is in the RU tier?





I remember this thing being based god of Gen 6 UU with its Unburden / Belly Drum set. Kinda surprising that I haven't been seeing more of it. So much creative stuff in this tier.Honchkrow @ Flyinium ZAbility: MoxieEVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpeAdamant Nature- Mirror Move- Sucker Punch- Brave Bird / Drill Peck- SuperpowerIf you guys aren't familiar with Z-Mirror Move, it's probably. No joke.It gives the user a +2 Atk boost, THEN copies the opponent's last attack by turning it into a Z-attack.Given the right circumstances, you could easily KO the opponent with Mirror Move off the +2 boost, activate Moxie, and give Honchkrow another +1, for a total of2. Nobody noticed that Slurpuff is in the RU tier?I remember this thing being based god of Gen 6 UU with its Unburden / Belly Drum set. Kinda surprising that I haven't been seeing more of it. Click to expand...

calcs +2 252 Atk Drapion Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 276-326 (82.8 - 97.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

+2 252 Atk Drapion Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 276-326 (82.8 - 97.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock [I think no one runs this, but just as a general idea.]

Problem with Z-mirror move is that you'd require to be faster than your opponent, and due to Honchrkrow's middling speed, I don't see how that would really be possible versus something like offense. Risking one turn of set up also means your opponent could take the chance to KO you, which isn't hard due to krow's speed and poor defenses. I'm not trying to say Flynium-Z is a bad option as a whole, Z-Brave Bird is a great way to get some early kills and get Moxie boosts. I personally think a much better (and by this I mean actually useful) option would be Pursuit, which can allow you to get picks (therefore, more moxie boosts) from mons that fear getting finished off by sucker punch and therefore switch it to some sort of defensive krow check, which could likely be overwhelmed by a Moxie boost.RE: Slurpuff. The biggest problem with Slurpuff is the presence of Doublade, which stops Belly Drum puff right on its tracks. Reason slurpuff was banned until it dropped on late-ish oras (doublade had risen to uu last year) is because it had the right coverage to smash through pretty much every mon with its coverage options unless you run a fat poison like Weezing or Garbodor. I guess another big factor of slurpuff's rarity is the more offensive nature (in my eyes, at least).Well, since currently the status quo is setpoisting itt, I might as well.BIRTHDAY (Drapion) @ Waterium ZAbility: SniperEVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpeJolly Nature- Swords Dance- Knock Off- Poison Jab- Aqua TailSD Drapion has been pretty cool in ORAS as an early game breaker, so figured it would be pretty cool to try out. With Z-Moves out, and the fact that they make for pretty good lures, I decided I might as well try something on Drap to help it break through something. Aqua Tail was my choice, since it would allow me to lure in Gligar and Donphan, arguably the two popular method of hazard removal in the metagame (if my opp's remover is something like Mantine and Dhelmise, they both crumble to knock off, provided mantine doesn't get a Scald off). Basically most of my games have where I succesfully lure gligar have gone like this: They send in their rocker, I SD on the gligar switch, and dent it with z-aq. While you don't OHKO gligar off the bat, you do around 80-90%, which is quite useful since it puts Gligar at the range of rocks or a decently strong resisted move from a mate. While you can OHKO Donphan after a Swords Dance boost, Sturdy makes it a hassle in order to do so since it forces a trade-off between each other, but if you feel Drapion's utility goes beyond luring out Donphan, you could pull it off. Bonus points for wrecking other rockers like Diancie, Gigalith, and Nidoqueen plus that one idiot who thinks he can get smart with Will-O-Wisp Rotom-H.