@rincon wrote: Fully behind what a day this is



Betty you are just projecting your own preference on kids on everyone else. People are different and like different things. It is entirely reasonable for women to want kids or not and for men to want kids or not. Why do you assume that men don't wanna make sacrifices for kids? it just sounds like you don't. Plenty of people do. It doesn't make them any less "enlightened". And a 'financial drain'? who gives a shit. Life is more than money, let people live it as they find it most fulfilling. Fully behind @Unique in the politics sectionwhat a day this isBetty you are just projecting your own preference on kids on everyone else. People are different and like different things. It is entirely reasonable for women to want kids or not and for men to want kids or not. Why do you assume that men don't wanna make sacrifices for kids? it just sounds like you don't. Plenty of people do. It doesn't make them any less "enlightened". And a 'financial drain'? who gives a shit. Life is more than money, let people live it as they find it most fulfilling.

@Pedram wrote: Betty La Fea wrote: @Unique wrote: I'm not sure what your saying tbh. it sounds like your saying my wife has had to give up her rights and her life to be my wife and the mother of my children. I'm not sure what your saying tbh. it sounds like your saying my wife has had to give up her rights and her life to be my wife and the mother of my children.



Not her rights, but definitely her life and dreams. Unless her dream was solely to be the mother and food maker to a bloke and his kids. Then perhaps that would be a failing of western civilization. Not her rights, but definitely her life and dreams. Unless her dream was solely to be the mother and food maker to a bloke and his kids. Then perhaps that would be a failing of western civilization.

Insane projection bias here, you're assuming every women considers having children as a burden in her life which is completely false, and what does this discussion have anything to do with western civilization?



By the way i'm glad people like you and other third wave feminists are only a tiny fraction of the world's population, you people have some really radical views on life. Insane projection bias here, you're assuming every women considers having children as a burden in her life which is completely false, and what does this discussion have anything to do with western civilization?By the way i'm glad people like you and other third wave feminists are only a tiny fraction of the world's population, you people have some really radical views on life.

Of course men make sacrifices for their kids, but society never puts the onus on them to give upfor them. A woman, who raised in the west, decides to sit at home all day cooking and being a baby-making factory for her husband is giving up a lot more. If she is raised up next to boys who are told they can be anything, and chase their dreams, then their dreams are most certainly not to be at home,barefoot, making food the rest of their lives. They settle, but the question remains why are they expected to settle in this way but not a man?And people who know how liberating economic freedom is knows how much of an issue a financial drain is. Money is one of the leading, if not the most, cause for divorce in my country today. People always stressed about not having money, and the burdens that come with it. Mostly because they live above their means, and the means would be a lot lower if there wasn't extra mouths to feed, and massively lower if a woman was not expected to give up her prime career dreams and aspirations for months at a time to grow another person in them.I can even see the appeal of this, because really we get the sweet end of the deal. A woman to you know, stay at home and do the chores I don't want to do, cook for me, and then give up her health for the better part of a year carrying my mini-me to term. Why would this be seen as trendy or cool by a woman raised by her brothers who are taught to conquer the world?Not every woman, just the women who were raised next to boys in the west who are taught they can be anything and to grab life by the horns.I don't think we are a small of population as you think. Go to a hospital in America today, walk up to a buy holding his newborn daughter, and say "" and see the reaction you get. I feel like it takes viewing it as his daughter,sister, or niece is a good way to see a viewpoint of why societal expectations is such a burden on women when it comes to giving up a life to continue on a guy's lineage, because really that is what it is. My parents didnt get married until I was damn near 10, yet I have never ever ever ever ever used my mother's last name on anything. It was never even a consideration because a kid is his fathers even though a woman gives up a year and her health to create it.Women, who have been educated, know this is a bum deal in most cases. They aren't stupid, and you don't want to create a society where a bunch of smart women start realizing they are getting the bum deal at life because it creates issues. Look at japan now. The population has shrunk by over a million since the start of this decade because more and more women recognize that giving it all up to carry on some other guy's lineage is a bad deal. Not only that, but there is a growing resentment at this. If we continue to give women a bad deal this will spread.