You seem to have trouble getting why exactly so many people hate Celestia in this. I think I might be able to explain it.





The reason it rubs people the wrong way is because it's very..."Who the hell do you think you are?" Celestia literally just ripped away a large part of Twilight's being, crippling her and turning her into an adult blank flank embarrassment completely out of nowhere without Twilight's permission or warning (I don't count the second before it happens as warning). That's very arrogant and RUDE. Why does Celestia think she can just do that to someone without their permission? If your answer to that is "because she's god-emperor", well, that's your problem. If anyone lower than her decided they could just do that to people, they'd be punished legally. If Celestia gets away with things that'd be considered morally wrong and would therefore be legally punishable, that's a problem.







She violated Twilight's body. Again, who the hell does she think she is? Imagine if you woke up in a hospital missing 1 arm and 1 leg, and the president was there and said he was responsible for it because he thinks you need to understand what the handicapped go through. And he says he'll give you your arm and leg back later, and maybe you think that's an important lesson, but why does the president get to just do things to you and take away your property just because he thinks he's morally right, and you need to learn something? Anything that shouldn't be morally accepted accepted or respected for a normal pony to do, Celestia shouldn't do.







It's extremely inconsiderate. To the point where it means she doesn't give a shit about Twilight. She certainly doesn't give a fuck about her feelings. Celestia doesn't even think she has to warn Twilight. No. You can't just do something like that to someone and still care about them. If you cared about them, you could never do that. Maybe you say in the story she does, but in real life, it's not at all like that, and who might is has just deluded themselves into thinking they're a caring person. It's extremely cunty. Fuck the people who keep doing shitty things to you and putting themselves 1st and trying to act like they can both do that and be a good, nice person who cares about you. Thinking you don't need to consider others' feelings is not caring about them. You can't get around that. You can't care about someone without caring about their feelings, without being conscientious of them. That's an oxymoron. Why doesn't Celestia think she needs Twilight's permission to do this? Is Twilight Celestia's property? Why does Twilight not need to be told in advance? Why did Celestia not think Twilight being prepared for this was important? Twilight's the pony at the center of this. Why doesn't she need any of that?







How many stories have you seen in TV shows with the trope of someone screwing up and upsetting another character because they weren't

considerate and then they had to learn to be more considerate, apologize, and make it up to them? Thousands. Those characters were/are always portrayed as in the wrong and rightly so.





What she did to Twilight was way too intimate. Celestia violated Twilight without consent. And that's the key word, "consent". You could've completely avoided all the hate if you'd just had that 1 simple thing. If you'd had this be a mission that Celestia gave to Twilight, and Twilight accepted it. Twilight has the choice to not accept it, but at the same time, Celestia could not teach Twilight anymore, and that would be the end of this path for Twilight. There's no force. And that's another key word. Forcing things on people, subjecting them to and inflicting things upon them doesn't seem very much like friendship. Deciding you can just steal from people and play God with their lives doesn't seem like friendship or care or love. Can you imagine the show ever having a lesson where 1 of the main (not Discord) characters decided to just disable Rainbow Dash's wings so she can see what it's like not to have them, not even because she was being douchey, but that character just saw her flying around a lot and decided they thought it was too much? And the tone of that episode only once briefly portrays it as bad, but then forgets, and that character isn't hated after that and doesn't apologize?







What if Twilight never ended up learning the lesson, so she basically had her whole life taken from her? How would Celestia feel about that? If 30 years passed, and Twilight never found out what Celestia wanted her to, would Celestia have just given up and gave her back her horn and cutie mark? Or let her die without it? Would Twilight and the other characters have resented her then? Would you think what she did was wrong then?





Tell me, does Twilight hold this against Celestia? Does Celestia actually tell Twilight she was wrong and apologize to her (saying it to someone else isn't good enough)? Do we get any more scenes of Celestia feeling bad about this? Because just once on a couple pages (86-89) is way too little and not nearly good enough. Does she try to make it up to her? Because that is the LEAST she needs to do. But something tells me that doesn't ever happen. Because you don't understand the hate, that means you don't really think it was that bad, so Twilight probably won't hate Celestia or hold what she did to her against her, and Celestia probably won't apologize to Twilight or be punished in any way and will get away with it. On page 91, immediately after the 1 (that I know of; I didn't read after that) part of Celestia showing regret, she writes Twilight a letter about the lesson, and nowhere in that letter Celestia saying she's sorry for what she did or even that she was wrong to do it, so likely no. And so far up to the last page I read, we didn't have a moment of Twilight resenting Celestia, not even immediately after what she did, so I think if that was going to happen, it would've been there. It probably won't be what I want it to be which is Celestia groveling, sobbing, begging for forgiveness. And a hate-filled Twilight. Luna should actually be disgusted with, hate, and disown her. I cannot overstate how horrible what Celestia did is. If anything, I think Celestia hasn't gotten enough hate from the audience. She needs far more.







Celestia is irreparable in this story to me. Twilight should get revenge. Twilight should be extremely hate-filled toward Celestia. I would be like "HOW DARE YOU DO THIS TO ME!?" If Celestia had done this to me, not only would I immediately stop being her apprentice, but I would be filled with everlasting, seething hatred and extreme rage and become physically violent with her on sight. I would never want to see her ever again or ever want anything to do with her again or ever want to even think about her again. I would sue her and try to get her put in prison. What happened to Twilight is what should happen to her. She should have her magic taken away for at least is long to be fair and then longer for punitive damages. Celestia should be removed from her position. Everyone who hears about what she did should despise her, and everyone who knows should try to spread it around as much as possible and wage a never ending smear campaign. Celestia can go to Hell. Celestia can go fuck herself.