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But I get the whole thing about the dvd's being so expensive in Japan but it's not something new to a shoujo fan like me or anyone else that females aren't interested in buying dvd's they rather just waste there money on mangas or something unrelated to anime. Though it would be nice to see a miracle happen with Nijiiro Days, at least if it sold over 800 dvd's ( which I doubt would happen ) it could receive a sequel.



But I do wanna thank you for taking time to respond to all my questions Ejc-san you've been a great help ...But I get the whole thing about the dvd's being so expensive in Japan but it's not something new to a shoujo fan like me or anyone else that females aren't interested in buying dvd's they rather just waste there money on mangas or something unrelated to anime. Though it would be nice to see a miracle happen with Nijiiro Days, at least if it sold over 800 dvd's ( which I doubt would happen ) it could receive a sequel.But I do wanna thank you for taking time to respond to all my questions Ejc-san you've been a great help For shoujo it seems they look more for a manga boost from the anime airing as the discs almost never sell well at all. Sometimes with enough of a manga boost they will give the anime a second season if they feel they can get even more new readers though that is actually fairly rare.



But if that's the case as of lately Akatsuki no Yona, Ookami Shoujo to Kuro Ouji, Kimi ni Todoke mangas are selling pretty well so they should be receiving a sequel by now. Btw do you remember a shoujo ever getting a sequel?



How I see it in my opinion Japan wouldn't waste a dime on a sequel for any shoujo they rather put there money on a new shounen series that will eventually became popular and earn more money But if that's the case as of lately Akatsuki no Yona, Ookami Shoujo to Kuro Ouji, Kimi ni Todoke mangas are selling pretty well so they should be receiving a sequel by now. Btw do you remember a shoujo ever getting a sequel?How I see it in my opinion Japan wouldn't waste a dime on a sequel for any shoujo they rather put there money on a new shounen series that will eventually became popular and earn more money



As I said before, sequels rarely give another boost to the print material. One of the rare cases was the josei adaptation Chihayafuru which got a second season despite poor sales but it had a good TV deal so the disc sales may not have mattered anyway. It got a good second manga boost but so far they haven't gone back to try for a third one.



Shoujo with a sequel... Kamisama Hajimemashita did. It only got 3.1K disc sales in season 1 though for shoujo that's pretty good. The second season sold about half that which is a normal drop off and which is a reason why many shows don't bother with a sequel when the first season sales are so low. Kamisama Hajimemashita's manga sales aren't even spectacular so I can't really explain why it got a second season... or a first season. I'm too busy tonight to attempt to correlate the anime releases and the manga sales to see if there were bumps. But my point above was that the publisher must have felt it was worth their while.



When I look at anime adaptations sometimes I think I can see a pattern where a publisher just wants something, anything adapted into anime at least a few times a year to keep the name of their magazines and manga on TV. If you've ever watched anime live on Japanese TV you'll notice that late night especially is often a long ad for everything connected to the companies that make the anime. In the commercials in the anime timeslot they'll have ads for their other manga, the CDs for the theme songs, discs from the anime they made previous seasons... by having some anime on the go at all times they ensure that they have a TV advertising vehicle. I'm not sure it is always important for every anime to make money or even perhaps any of their anime to make money as long as it keeps up interest in their line of products.



A new anime may get more interest than a second season. Something fresh. Just conjecture on my part since the publishers and production committees aren't telling us why they still bother to make shoujo anime. Sales of shoujo anime certainly make you wonder why they bother to make them when they could make another kind of anime instead. I look at it the other way: the fact that they continue to make shoujo manga into anime regardless of poor disc sales tells me that, at the end of the day, shoujo anime does have a positive effect on the publishers of shoujo manga. It must increase the sales of shoujo manga and magazines enough that it is worth their while to continue making it. All the publishers in Japan are large enough that they make shoujo, shounen, seinen and josei. They could choose to stop making anime for a genre. For the most part it seems they have stopped making josei anime as very few josei manga are adapted. But shoujo for some reason still gets made so it must help with the print sales enough to justify the cost of making the anime, even if the anime itself doesn't break even and we have no proof of that either. It's possible that with foreign streaming and re-runs on AT-X and D-anime Store that they could break even somehow on the anime itself.As I said before, sequels rarely give another boost to the print material. One of the rare cases was the josei adaptation Chihayafuru which got a second season despite poor sales but it had a good TV deal so the disc sales may not have mattered anyway. It got a good second manga boost but so far they haven't gone back to try for a third one.Shoujo with a sequel... Kamisama Hajimemashita did. It only got 3.1K disc sales in season 1 though for shoujo that's pretty good. The second season sold about half that which is a normal drop off and which is a reason why many shows don't bother with a sequel when the first season sales are so low. Kamisama Hajimemashita's manga sales aren't even spectacular so I can't really explain why it got a second season... or a first season. I'm too busy tonight to attempt to correlate the anime releases and the manga sales to see if there were bumps. But my point above was that the publisher must have felt it was worth their while.When I look at anime adaptations sometimes I think I can see a pattern where a publisher just wants something, anything adapted into anime at least a few times a year to keep the name of their magazines and manga on TV. If you've ever watched anime live on Japanese TV you'll notice that late night especially is often a long ad for everything connected to the companies that make the anime. In the commercials in the anime timeslot they'll have ads for their other manga, the CDs for the theme songs, discs from the anime they made previous seasons... by having some anime on the go at all times they ensure that they have a TV advertising vehicle. I'm not sure it is always important for every anime to make money or even perhaps any of their anime to make money as long as it keeps up interest in their line of products.A new anime may get more interest than a second season. Something fresh. Just conjecture on my part since the publishers and production committees aren't telling us why they still bother to make shoujo anime.



As you say it does make me and many other anime fans wonder why Japan keep adapting Shoujo mangas into anime when there dvd's sale very poorly but now you bring up a very interesting point about the reason why Shoujo anime still continues to be produce when there disc sales are terrible. But at the end of the day the sales of the manga are the reason why they might still continue to adapt stuff like Akatsuki no Yona or Kimi ni todoke into anime but it doesn't explain why the dvd's sell so poorly. I have notice there's less josei manga being made I have no idea why but anything targeted for females never seem to be successful in Japan unless were talking about something like Utapri or Haikyuu which usually sell over 20,000 discs.



Well even if Chihayafuru disc sales sold well or vice versa, girls aren't really into fluffy cute shows as much as there into shounen. So I don't expect any time soon for a 3rd season to be made and same goes for Kamisama Kiss which I absolutely adore and don't understand why the manga nor anime sell well.



Sadly I don't have the honor to live in Japan but I could imagine mostly everything on tv would be anime which helps determine how successful the show will be in some cases that doesn't help some, or even if the show is being advertise a few times a day it doesn't really help boost the disc sales at the end. So in my opinion for an anime to receive a Sequel it depends how successful it is and how much money it brought the studio that produced it.



Well yes I agree the first season of any anime usually gets more attention then the second one but in the case of Attack on Titan it seems like the sequel might be getting more attention then the first one. It seems like the anime left an impact on Japan. I have no idea why because killing Titans isn't something that would leave me in shock but somehow the manga and anime made a lot of money. As you say it does make me and many other anime fans wonder why Japan keep adapting Shoujo mangas into anime when there dvd's sale very poorly but now you bring up a very interesting point about the reason why Shoujo anime still continues to be produce when there disc sales are terrible. But at the end of the day the sales of the manga are the reason why they might still continue to adapt stuff like Akatsuki no Yona or Kimi ni todoke into anime but it doesn't explain why the dvd's sell so poorly. I have notice there's less josei manga being made I have no idea why but anything targeted for females never seem to be successful in Japan unless were talking about something like Utapri or Haikyuu which usually sell over 20,000 discs.Well even if Chihayafuru disc sales sold well or vice versa, girls aren't really into fluffy cute shows as much as there into shounen. So I don't expect any time soon for a 3rd season to be made and same goes for Kamisama Kiss which I absolutely adore and don't understand why the manga nor anime sell well.Sadly I don't have the honor to live in Japan but I could imagine mostly everything on tv would be anime which helps determine how successful the show will be in some cases that doesn't help some, or even if the show is being advertise a few times a day it doesn't really help boost the disc sales at the end. So in my opinion for an anime to receive a Sequel it depends how successful it is and how much money it brought the studio that produced it.Well yes I agree the first season of any anime usually gets more attention then the second one but in the case of Attack on Titan it seems like the sequel might be getting more attention then the first one. It seems like the anime left an impact on Japan. I have no idea why because killing Titans isn't something that would leave me in shock but somehow the manga and anime made a lot of money.



All that said, the shoujo publishers still want to advertise their shoujo manga so they make shoujo anime too, not just anime they know will appeal to female otaku. The girls who buy shoujo manga are shoujos who don't have the money to buy the anime or just aren't interested in buying discs but if they like the anime enough to buy the manga then the publisher is happy and considers the production investment money to be well spent. Female otaku spend lots of money on anime in Japan. There are very successful projects who target them like Osomatsu san. And you're right that they buy anime which is adapted from many shounen manga like Haikyuu!! As you say, Female otaku do not buy shoujo anime or cute fluffy anime; I am not sure who does buy it, there aren't many of them to ask. But I would say the female otaku are a huge buying force today and are affecting the decisions on what anime to bring to market. They seem very focused on popular male seiyuu more than anything so events and songs done by those popular guys is what seems to drive sales. The anime is secondary to them.All that said, the shoujo publishers still want to advertise their shoujo manga so they make shoujo anime too, not just anime they know will appeal to female otaku. The girls who buy shoujo manga are shoujos who don't have the money to buy the anime or just aren't interested in buying discs but if they like the anime enough to buy the manga then the publisher is happy and considers the production investment money to be well spent.



I'm surprise to hear that I always thought female in Japan didn't waste a dime on anything anime related except for an idolish show like Love Live or Shounen. But it's not a surprise Osomatsu san was very successful, the show has always been big in Japan plus all the seiyuus on there are super popular so that kinda boost the popularity some more.



I ask myself which group of people keep supporting Shoujo and why can't they be as successful as any other Shounen anime would be. Back in the early 2000's more shoujo was made with a 26-51 episode run but now you see them adapted every other season with only 12 episodes. I don't really understand why females wouldnt waste money on cute fluffy shows but somehow Shoujo is still being made so I'm thankful for that but I know for sure that in a few years Shounen will take over the world and Shoujo will be History.



On the last part you kinda of lost me there. What exactly do you mean by the girls who buy shoujo manga are shoujos who don't have the money to buy the anime? I'm totally lost there and your saying that as long as the disc sales go well the publisher will be happy and consider making a sequel to whatever was successful? I wonder what Shoujo manga right now is selling well enough to receive an adaption. I'm surprise to hear that I always thought female in Japan didn't waste a dime on anything anime related except for an idolish show like Love Live or Shounen. But it's not a surprise Osomatsu san was very successful, the show has always been big in Japan plus all the seiyuus on there are super popular so that kinda boost the popularity some more.I ask myself which group of people keep supporting Shoujo and why can't they be as successful as any other Shounen anime would be. Back in the early 2000's more shoujo was made with a 26-51 episode run but now you see them adapted every other season with only 12 episodes. I don't really understand why females wouldnt waste money on cute fluffy shows but somehow Shoujo is still being made so I'm thankful for that but I know for sure that in a few years Shounen will take over the world and Shoujo will be History.On the last part you kinda of lost me there. What exactly do you mean by the girls who buy shoujo manga are shoujos who don't have the money to buy the anime? I'm totally lost there and your saying that as long as the disc sales go well the publisher will be happy and consider making a sequel to whatever was successful? I wonder what Shoujo manga right now is selling well enough to receive an adaption.



Sorry, shoujo means young girl. The girls who buy shoujo manga are young, 10-14 years old, perhaps some in the 15-18 year range. They don't have a lot of spending money. A manga volume costs about $5 (550 yen) while a disc costs ten times that, $50-80 (5500-8800 yen or even more). If you are a young girl without much spending money you will not buy discs but one manga volume every few months is easy for them to buy. That's why the manga may sell but the anime will not.



Shounen is bought and read both by young males and older males who have jobs and much higher buying power. It is also bought by older females with jobs and money but they also love UtaPri and Osomatsu san.



The female otaku really want to see concerts with their favorite seiyuu which helps to drive the sales. Concerts are also very expensive, especially if you have to spend 8000 yen on a disc volume (maybe multiple copies for more chances) for a lottery ticket to win a chance to buy the actual concert ticket for 8000 yen, then you have to buy the T-shirts, the pen lights, the towels, of course you already have the CDs, hug pillows, cloth posters and bedsheets of your favorites... it is not cheap to live the otaku lifestyle! Of course a real fan buys at least 10 copies of everything, maybe 30 or 100. Many of these fans are actually josei themselves, young women instead of young girls. They may still read some shoujo manga for nostalgia but probably won't buy shoujo anime. It's all about the hot 3D guys for them, not the hot 2D guys. If someone made a shoujo manga about hot idol boys it might sell some discs. I don't think shoujo anime will die out anytime soon. As I've said, it is useful as an advertising medium for the shoujo manga.Sorry, shoujo means young girl. The girls who buy shoujo manga are young, 10-14 years old, perhaps some in the 15-18 year range. They don't have a lot of spending money. A manga volume costs about $5 (550 yen) while a disc costs ten times that, $50-80 (5500-8800 yen or even more). If you are a young girl without much spending money you will not buy discs but one manga volume every few months is easy for them to buy. That's why the manga may sell but the anime will not.Shounen is bought and read both by young males and older males who have jobs and much higher buying power. It is also bought by older females with jobs and money but they also love UtaPri and Osomatsu san.The female otaku really want to see concerts with their favorite seiyuu which helps to drive the sales. Concerts are also very expensive, especially if you have to spend 8000 yen on a disc volume (maybe multiple copies for more chances) for a lottery ticket to win a chance to buy the actual concert ticket for 8000 yen, then you have to buy the T-shirts, the pen lights, the towels, of course you already have the CDs, hug pillows, cloth posters and bedsheets of your favorites... it is not cheap to live the otaku lifestyle! Of course a real fan buys at least 10 copies of everything, maybe 30 or 100. Many of these fans are actually josei themselves, young women instead of young girls. They may still read some shoujo manga for nostalgia but probably won't buy shoujo anime. It's all about the hot 3D guys for them, not the hot 2D guys. If someone made a shoujo manga about hot idol boys it might sell some discs.





Well I agree it might not die out anytime soon but there's less shoujo anime being made. Last one I recalled was Wolf Girl and Black prince ( excluding Akagami and Akatsuki No Yona ) right now I'm talking about a romcoms.



No need to apologize I see its's understandable that girls who range between the ages of 10-14 wouldn't be able to afford discs. I never knew it was so expensive to purchase one , but I'm a still a bit curious why females older then 17 don't read nor watch shoujo much. I mean I'm 23 years going to 24 soon and I sure enjoy the hell out of my shoujo more then any other genre. So it's kinda disappointing to see more females purchasing tickets to see there favorite seiyuu's live in concert then saving up to buy a disc. If I lived in Japan and had a stable job that paid well I sure would buy every single shoujo that came out on dvd, as a fan of the genre I wouldn't hold myself back. But that's just my opinion I'm aware everyone thinks differently.



Oh I'm also aware it's easier for men to purchase anime merchandise because of there jobs certainly pay higher and thanks to that it' keeps the anime industry still going



Well I knew the whole idolish thing was very popular right now in Japan, obvious reason why so many replicas of Utapri are being made but who would've thought females would waste half of there money on disc sales or other anime merchandise just win concert tickets to see there favorite seiyuu live in concert. That's quite shocking but everyone has the right to waste there money on whatever they feel they like I have no say on it. Well I agree it might not die out anytime soon but there's less shoujo anime being made. Last one I recalled was Wolf Girl and Black prince ( excluding Akagami and Akatsuki No Yona ) right now I'm talking about a romcoms.No need to apologize I see its's understandable that girls who range between the ages of 10-14 wouldn't be able to afford discs. I never knew it was so expensive to purchase one , but I'm a still a bit curious why females older then 17 don't read nor watch shoujo much. I mean I'm 23 years going to 24 soon and I sure enjoy the hell out of my shoujo more then any other genre. So it's kinda disappointing to see more females purchasing tickets to see there favorite seiyuu's live in concert then saving up to buy a disc. If I lived in Japan and had a stable job that paid well I sure would buy every single shoujo that came out on dvd, as a fan of the genre I wouldn't hold myself back. But that's just my opinion I'm aware everyone thinks differently.Oh I'm also aware it's easier for men to purchase anime merchandise because of there jobs certainly pay higher and thanks to that it' keeps the anime industry still goingWell I knew the whole idolish thing was very popular right now in Japan, obvious reason why so many replicas of Utapri are being made but who would've thought females would waste half of there money on disc sales or other anime merchandise just win concert tickets to see there favorite seiyuu live in concert. That's quite shocking but everyone has the right to waste there money on whatever they feel they like I have no say on it. BBCode