TDLR; I detest the fact that people are hating on a depressive, broken and possibly suicidal character and will never give him a second chance. Also, the Dremurrs are as good/bad as each other.



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I seriously detest how cruel most of the community are to Asgore. It’s like wow, that guy is going through depression and is broken.



He even fucking smiles when you kill him in neutral route, like he wishes for death.



https://youtu.be/VBiuSUldU4A?t=5m27s



Or he commits suicide when Flowey doesn’t kill him, saying his wishes are a fantasy and that Asriel would have wanted freedom for you.



https://youtu.be/7G30S8x6lhs?t=7m2s





Do people know what they look like when they bash asgore mindlessly? Do they? That’s right. Assholes who don’t bat an eye at broken people with depression. Assholes who don’t care that Asgore suicides to give YOU freedom, after being forced on all sides to fight you, hence destroying the mercy button to force you to fight him. Either way,depending on who lives, someone will benefit, and in both cases, it’s not him.

Asgore would rather offer you a cup of tea. He tries to comfort you about death in case you’re scared, and even give you many chances to back off. Hoping you’ll do it.

Forced to kill or be killed with no chance of a third option unless someone gives him one, right? He never intended to live if you win, without outside interference. Think about that for a moment.



Or do they hate Asgore because it gets in the way of their SansToriel shipping? That’s even worse, isn’t it :D The fans are still doing what alphys discourage people to do, ship people who have very real lives.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against shipping in general but when people use what alphys say as a reason, it’s really an excuse when they’re shipping other characters.

Asgore still loves Toriel, and will do anything to reconcile. Even tries to be a better person.



Does he not even deserve a second chance? Why doesn’t he? It’s understandable she’s distraught after losing 8 children, it’s really really painful to experience.

But is Asgore not suffering due to the loss of his family and the despair of his people? Sure, he could like, not proclaim that and try to find another way to get out. The latter which he did try with Alphys. But look at how well that went. It didn’t work.



Which would you rather, the lives of 6 children, or the suffering of an entire race? There’s no easy answer to this, really.



Both are bad and anybody would like to avoid that if they could. And remember, when Toriel uses the more moral approach when she is queen, they never quite got out of the underground, did they.



Toriel rebukes him very harshly, which is unfair as hell especially they’re both grieving in different ways for the loss of children.



This is not saying that Asgore is innocent. He did after all place a target on all humans. This is saying, Toriel is no pure angel goatmom, she is as bad as Asgore is when it comes to personality and a woman with very real flaws. She is as likeable as he is, but can be a tad unfair to those she doesn’t agree with. She even blames him for the deaths of the children, even though, in reality, he never killed anyone before you reach his castle. To add onto this point, if you pause to think for a moment, none of the equipments that the children used are near his castle. In fact one of them died in the Ruins! It’s the girl with the faded ribbon and toy knife. Likely fell to her death climbing down, as her toy knife is all the way up to the balcony, but her ribbon is at the bottom.

Hell, if you fight him, his attacks when your hp is low(like 2hp) always bring you down to 1hp even if they could have been more, showing a reluctance to actually kill you. You die if you get hit at 1hp, but he will always not kill you if you are above 1hp.



Think. If she knew the fastest way to stop the suffering, why doesn’t she act on it when her husband is too wussy to? That’s right, it’s because of her own morals and kindness. Because she doesn’t want to kill. The same morals and kindess that makes Asgore reluctant to proceed. It’d be more forgiveable if it’s more hiearchy reasons EG. Queen cannot override King’s decisions but we’ve always seen Toriel not really caring about that and kicking Asgore’s butt.



However, she doesn’t have have the pressure that Asgore faced. Her stakes aren’t as high, so she can get away with the moral high ground of not killing and turning her nose up to it. She can afford not to have blood on her hands.



Asgore however is constantly pressured by the monsters who place so much hope on him, I’m sure we all know just how much. You’ve read the text. He couldn’t let them down, when they need hope.

https://youtu.be/F2TpNqVnIRw?t=6m25s

Does he not know that they are suffering? Of course he does! That’s why all the more he couldn’t let them down.All the more he couldn’t retract that statement, because his people will suffer even more and chaos will ensue when there is not enough hope E.G the endings where people overthrow Toriel.



And all because of a statement he made in anger and grief due to the loss of two children.

How many of you never say brash things when you’re upset not even once in your life? That’s right, didn’t think so.



I guess this is why most pictures of SansXToriel irks me so much, if because they’re cruel to Asgore. It is likely unintentional but it’s very cruel. I don’t blame most for shipping them, but please also think about Asgore, okay?





As much as Toriel keeps personal boundaries she still have some stuff that reminds her of him subtly.



Look for it. One of them is the golden flower in her room. Try looking for the rest. It’s not as obvious as Asgore’s but it’s there. And she still bakes butterscotch cinnamon pie. The pie that he LIKES.



It’s like she’s subconsciously thinking of him and still have him in her heart while saying she doesn’t want to be friends. Given, she has the right to personal boundaries. But who’s to say they won’t reconcile?

The fitting punishment Asgore deserves for placing a target on humans is getting his ass kicked by Toriel. Not to say go seperate ways as a couple, but the punishment he deserves is this, which he did get in the True pacifist end!







And in closing, here’s a quote from sans himself from the official tumblr

“it’s not good to dismiss people, either. i mean, even the person who posted the lies shouldn’t be written off as a “bad person.” something in their life led them to this point, you know? just remember: there’s a difference between protecting your friends and destroying someone for your own justice. for honesty’s sake, investigate the truth for yourself, then ask: how is this going to help people? “

Show some compassion, won’t you?





Edit: Wow so many likes and reblogs! Thank you for being so supportive and kind to spread the message, everyone! P.S you’re also fighting a king who dresses up as Santa Claus to give presents to children(Papyrus is too old to be receiving gifts haha)



Edit 2:my gosh it’s still going? Thank you so much!!Love you all!