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Full MemberActivity: 168Merit: 100 Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation October 10, 2015, 11:56:14 PM #9622



Some guy in my church told everyone to invest in bitcoin back in 2011. He just told people the nerdy mechanics of it and told people how it worked. Nobody listened to him. People thought he was crazy. I joined this church recently and told people a humanistic explanation of why bitcoin is so important and half a dozen people immediately asked me to drive them to a bitcoin ATM. These 6 people also used all or some of their bitcoins to buy Monero.



I am not blaming the video for not investing in 2011. I am asking you guys to explain bitcoin and monero in a humanistic manner while glossing over the mechanics of how it works in order to get more people on board and using bitcoin (and other cryptos like Monero).



Quote from: smoothie on October 10, 2015, 11:32:49 PM Quote from: miragecash on October 10, 2015, 05:20:09 PM



Crap "we use coins" video:

Video that caused me to invest in Bitcoin and later other cryptocurrency:



Quote from: saddambitcoin on October 10, 2015, 05:06:28 PM Quote from: chennan on October 10, 2015, 04:33:37 PM I was checking the prices to see if a person was really trying to go "all in" on what americanpegasus was selling/marketing, and it only went up a cent... No matter, I believe that if a majority of them start reading more into it and seeing what's at stake, then I think they'll start slowly buying into it. I think most of them know that the price of any altcoin isn't going to skyrocket when the GUI isn't even out yet, like what americanpegasus pointed out in one of his answers.



Nobody learns of something then buys it the very next day. When I first heard of Bitcoin in 2011 I was interested, but had no money to invest. When I finally made the decision to buy some in 2012, it still took a few months to do research on how to buy it, how to use it, then finally buy it. If some new people are interested and learning about it, that's all that matters now.

Nobody learns of something then buys it the very next day. When I first heard of Bitcoin in 2011 I was interested, but had no money to invest. When I finally made the decision to buy some in 2012, it still took a few months to do research on how to buy it, how to use it, then finally buy it. If some new people are interested and learning about it, that's all that matters now. Yup, back in 2011, I saw the "we use coins" video and thought that bitcoin was crap because the video was crap. Now, I wish I bought back then because I would've made a tidy profit. It was at less than $10 per BTC when I saw the video and it was at over $1000 when I saw bitcoin next on the internet. Why didn't the "we use coins" guys make a better freaking video?!Crap "we use coins" video: https://youtu.be/Um63OQz3bjo Video that caused me to invest in Bitcoin and later other cryptocurrency: https://youtu.be/rzKdW-au110

LOL yeah blame the video for you not investing. <----- the lesson of why not to judge a book by its cover.



Seriously the video could have been two guys holding up cut out paper puppets attached to chopsticks doing a play to explain what and how bitcoin works and why it matters and I would have still saw the importance.



"Better video"? I thought the we use coins video make the message perfectly clear the FIRST time I watched it.



It is the same reason that I support Monero. Its interface make look like crap (CLI) but it does something important very well.



The makeup and lipstick will come.

LOL yeah blame the video for you not investing. I totally agree with you NOW as someone who now understands crypto, BUT back in 2011, when I was a layman, I saw the crappy cartoon video and thought, "This is crap, man. Don't pay me in crappy shitcoin, Gimme dollars!" The cartoon video went too much into the nerdy mechanics of it while the 2nd video was more humanistic. It talked about how it would disruptively revolutionize money on a global scale. I am a human being. I need a humanistic explanation, not a nerdy "how it works" video.Some guy in my church told everyone to invest in bitcoin back in 2011. He just told people the nerdy mechanics of it and told people how it worked. Nobody listened to him. People thought he was crazy. I joined this church recently and told people a humanistic explanation of why bitcoin is so important and half a dozen people immediately asked me to drive them to a bitcoin ATM. These 6 people also used all or some of their bitcoins to buy Monero.I am not blaming the video for not investing in 2011. I am asking you guys to explain bitcoin and monero in a humanistic manner while glossing over the mechanics of how it works in order to get more people on board and using bitcoin (and other cryptos like Monero).

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Last edit: October 11, 2015, 07:15:38 AM by owm123 #9624 Quote from: chennan on October 10, 2015, 07:13:45 PM Quote from: bbreconomy on October 10, 2015, 07:06:19 PM Quote from: chennan on October 10, 2015, 07:03:43 PM Unless a lot of privacy oriented businesses start accepting XMR, that is.



That should be a primary goal for Monero and other privacy focused coins.

That should be a primary goal for Monero and other privacy focused coins.

Yeah, but it's not really a matter of a couple of us who are invested into the privacy focused coins to start contacting these businesses and just say "Hey, you need to accept XMR"... I think we need to inform them of what it is and to get them to actually read the documents and white papers that come along with cryptonite currencies. Until they get some kind of motivation to do so; we won't have any say as to how they handle their business.

Yeah, but it's not really a matter of a couple of us who are invested into the privacy focused coins to start contacting these businesses and just say "Hey, you need to accept XMR"... I think we need to inform them of what it is and to get them to actually read the documents and white papers that come along with cryptonite currencies.

For privacy oriented services, like for most businesses, are to main motivations:

1. Money

2. Reputation



1. Money



If they see that costumers chose competition over them, because they accept xmr, its enough of a motivation to start considering accepting monero as well.



For this to happen there needs to be enough users being happy to pay/donate for the services with xmr.



2. Reputation



If some service is serious about protecting users privacy, they should do everything they can do protect this privacy. This includes supporting payment methods that actually protect this privacy.



And for this to happen, limitations of the bitcoin in terms of privacy and anonymity must be more well known. Most ppl think that bitcoin is most private and most anonymous payment method ever developed.



For privacy oriented services, like for most businesses, are to main motivations:1. Money2. Reputation1. MoneyIf they see that costumers chose competition over them, because they accept xmr, its enough of a motivation to start considering accepting monero as well.For this to happen there needs to be enough users being happy to pay/donate for the services with xmr.2. ReputationIf some service is serious about protecting users privacy, they should do everything they can do protect this privacy. This includes supporting payment methods that actually protect this privacy.And for this to happen, limitations of the bitcoin in terms of privacy and anonymity must be more well known. Most ppl think that bitcoin is most private and most anonymous payment method ever developed. Bitcoin is NOT anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com

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LegendaryActivity: 2030Merit: 1071Money often costs too much. Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation October 11, 2015, 01:01:03 AM

Last edit: October 11, 2015, 01:35:32 AM by e-coinomist #9625 Quote from: jwinterm on October 09, 2015, 02:17:12 AM

I believe one monero will be worth approximately 3.7 sheep or 125 chickens within the next 75 lunar cycles

One can speculate on sheeps'n'chickens too, just mentioning. Could be very lucrative.



The comparison to bitcoins suffers from the comparison to bitcoins. People will always point out it compares to the epic bitcoin market crash when price gains, so volume will be near zilch/nada/nuthing at the pike. No buy support, short episode. This past will be haunting.



Quote from: smoothie on October 09, 2015, 02:18:40 AM

Or 0.106 Elephants.

When those are standing around in a room, everybody preferes not to mention



Before "Bitcoin repeats" one would have to make Bitcoin unhappen. One can speculate on sheeps'n'chickens too, just mentioning. Could be very lucrative.The comparison to bitcoins suffers from the comparison to bitcoins. People will always point out it compares to the epic bitcoin market crash when price gains, so volume will be near zilch/nada/nuthing at the pike. No buy support, short episode. This past will be haunting.When those are standing around in a room, everybody preferes not to mentionBefore "Bitcoin repeats" one would have to make Bitcoin unhappen.

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Hero MemberActivity: 770Merit: 500 Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation October 11, 2015, 05:36:09 AM #9627 Quote from: miragecash on October 10, 2015, 11:56:14 PM I am asking you guys to explain bitcoin and monero in a humanistic manner while glossing over the mechanics of how it works in order to get more people on board and using bitcoin (and other cryptos like Monero).







What he's saying might be upsetting to some of the techies in the room, but he's right. The average person doesn't give a shit about how technically amazing your product is. Ask the average iPhone owner to describe the differences between the processors of the last few iPhone releases. They probably can't.



Everyone needs to watch this iPhone 6S commercial, and learn how it's done: https://youtu.be/aBYWGjIzvyw



How many specs did you hear? Almost none. What you did hear was a lot of talk about how iPhone will upgrade your life, capture the moments of your life better, and most importantly: make you more important.



Monero advertising already has the most important thing: an amazing product. It's the most powerful form of money ever devised, but unless people use it, it's worthless. The beauty is that there is a powerful incentive to be an early adopter in the form of exponentially rising value... math is literally bending over backwards to accommodate us. Now all that remains is to let the 7 billion humans on Earth know exactly why Monero will upgrade their life, ease all transactions in their life, and most importantly: make them more important. And if Monero *can't* do those things? Then we shouldn't bother, because people won't care.



Do you know why Linux hasn't superseded Windows, despite being a superior product? Because Linux is not easy, is not necessary for the average customer, and Linux does not inherently make them feel important or carry status with it. Monero can't afford to be Linux. You can get on the anti-Apple bandwagon all you want (I'll agree with you in many ways), but their marketing is the fuck on point.



As I go forward, I'll be brainstorming and implementing some ideas to show the average person how Monero will upgrade their lives in every way imaginable. Now I just need to developers to make it easy to use, and the entrepreneurs to build some compelling services around it. What he's saying might be upsetting to some of the techies in the room, but he's right. The average person doesn't give a shit about how technically amazing your product is. Ask the average iPhone owner to describe the differences between the processors of the last few iPhone releases. They probably can't.Everyone needs to watch this iPhone 6S commercial, and learn how it's done: https://youtu.be/aBYWGjIzvywHow many specs did you hear? Almost none. What youwas a lot of talk about how iPhone will upgrade your life, capture the moments of your life better, and most importantly:Monero advertising already has the most important thing: an amazing product. It's the most powerful form of money ever devised, but unless people use it, it's worthless. The beauty is that there is a powerful incentive to be an early adopter in the form of exponentially rising value... math is literally bending over backwards to accommodate us. Now all that remains is to let the 7 billion humans on Earth know exactly why Monero will upgrade their life, ease all transactions in their life, and most importantly:. And if Monero *can't* do those things? Then we shouldn't bother, because people won't care.Do you know why Linux hasn't superseded Windows, despite being a superior product? Because Linux is not easy, is not necessary for the average customer, and Linux does not inherently make them feel important or carry status with it.You can get on the anti-Apple bandwagon all you want (I'll agree with you in many ways), but their marketing isAs I go forward, I'll be brainstorming and implementing some ideas to show the average person how Monero will upgrade their lives in every way imaginable. Now I just need to developers to make it easy to use, and the entrepreneurs to build some compelling services around it. Account is back under control of the real AmericanPegasus.

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Full MemberActivity: 224Merit: 100Spastic dead-eyed hound. Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation October 11, 2015, 12:59:08 PM #9632 Quote from: americanpegasus on October 11, 2015, 05:36:09 AM



Do you know why Linux hasn't superseded Windows, despite being a superior product? Because Linux is not easy, is not necessary for the average customer, and Linux does not inherently make them feel important or carry status with it. Monero can't afford to be Linux. You can get on the anti-Apple bandwagon all you want (I'll agree with you in many ways), but their marketing is the fuck on point.





Unfortunately though, I think a majority of people who are ever going to want to carry Monero is going to be either Computer geeks, investors, or people paranoid about their government. I'm the last two, but I agree.. it's all about marketing; and I think you can do a lot for XMR in the marketing field. But we really need to "Apple-ize" Monero. Unfortunately though, I think a majority of people who are ever going to want to carry Monero is going to be either Computer geeks, investors, or people paranoid about their government. I'm the last two, but I agree.. it's all about marketing; and I think you can do a lot for XMR in the marketing field. But we really need to "Apple-ize" Monero.

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Left column is the aggregate offers, center column is the aggregate demand and right column the weighted average interest rate.



Take a look yourself -> Regarding last 2 medium sized dumps (~6k & ~5k), it's someone shorting again:Left column is the aggregate offers, center column is the aggregate demand and right column the weighted average interest rate.Take a look yourself -> http://monerodice.pd.to/polo.php Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency

Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/

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Sr. MemberActivity: 263Merit: 250 Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation October 11, 2015, 01:11:51 PM #9634 Quote from: americanpegasus on October 11, 2015, 05:36:09 AM

Do you know why Linux hasn't superseded Windows, despite being a superior product? Because Linux is not easy, is not necessary for the average customer, and Linux does not inherently make them feel important or carry status with it. Monero can't afford to be Linux. You can get on the anti-Apple bandwagon all you want (I'll agree with you in many ways), but their marketing is the fuck on point.





I agree...



But the most important thing for a coin to succeed and to be adopted by all users and shops (on internet or real street store), is at first : to have a complete payment confirmation in less than 10 seconds, ideally 5. Until any coin includes this function, it's useless to speculate on it, because it will not be used in common all day payments tasks. That should be the first priority task for Monero devs (easy to say for me, I know, but I can barely understand and change some parameters in PHP or HTML code of a Wordpress install, so you see my level).



And you're right, Apple is evil shit and Jobs was one of the last public Nazi hero adored by a huge group of blind fanatic people in a world-class sect. Whatever, back to Monero...



Yes communication/marketing is very important. About this, Monero website should really do as there are Monero GUI wallets, even if not created by the team. Like Bitcoin : the most used wallets are not the "official one". You should really make that appear on website, plus updating the outdated links driving to the homepage of the GUI wallets.

http://monero.org/downloads/

https://getmonero.org/downloads/

and improve the design of

https://getmonero.org/home

https://getmonero.org/getting-started/choose

in sections Web wallet, Desktop wallets and Non GUI wallet...

I think Monero team dosn't need to create a GUI wallet, if there are good ones from outside...



But sadly, as with the VHS/Betamax case, or Windows/Linux analogy, it's not always the best technology that's chosen and adopted by the world... So, informing and educating people about the Monero product, in a simple and clear way, is also a priority, before speculation... See the "success" of Dash, even if far less good than Monero... Or even Shadowcash... whatever the real objectives behind these projects are...

I agree...But the most important thing for a coin to succeed and to be adopted by all users and shops (on internet or real street store), is, ideally 5. Until any coin includes this function, it's useless to speculate on it, because it will not be used in common all day payments tasks. That should be the first priority task for Monero devs (easy to say for me, I know, but I can barely understand and change some parameters in PHP or HTML code of a Wordpress install, so you see my level).And you're right, Apple is evil shitand Jobs was one of the last public Nazi hero adored by a huge group of blind fanatic people in a world-class sect. Whatever, back to Monero...Yes communication/marketing is very important. About this, Monero website should really do as https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet page : teach clearly the people thatMonero GUI wallets, even if not created by the team. Like Bitcoin : the most used wallets are not the "official one". You should really make that appear on website, plus updating the outdated links driving to the homepage of the GUI wallets.and improve the design ofin sections Web wallet, Desktop wallets and Non GUI wallet...I think Monero team dosn't need to create a GUI wallet, if there are good ones from outside...But sadly, as with the VHS/Betamax case, or Windows/Linux analogy, it's not always the best technology that's chosen and adopted by the world... So, informing and educating people about the Monero product, in a simple and clear way, is also a priority, before speculation... See the "success" of Dash, even if far less good than Monero... Or even Shadowcash... whatever the real objectives behind these projects are...