Posted 23 April 2016 - 10:51 AM

I'm going to start off by saying that I have seen superstock blasters do perfectly well at the wars that I've hosted, but as Langley points out, this is definitely helped the by field conditions. I agree with Pants that it's always fun to see people lit up by Rapidstrikes or whatever; there were quite a few corner engagements at the last Armageddon where a person with an automatic flywheel blaster dumped a full mag out of panic and nail a dude or two.

Between buying 1,000 USCs for $33 shipped or making 1,000 #6 slugs, I'd much rather get the USCs.



When you only think about how things are today, of course there are challenges and limited utility of superstock blasters in NIC/DIY wars.

I'm trying to switch to cut down ACCs for that exact reason. It's so much more convenient than spending the time to make them.

As a war host, one of the challenges of accommodating superstock users is that reloading a bunch of magazines is much more time consuming than loading a hopper. At smaller wars I've hosted, I've had to wait to start rounds for people to get fully ready, which isn't really a big deal but it's something that would need to be taken into consideration if more of the field was using magazines.

And this is the kind of attitude that is going to keep us "casuals" away from your NIC wars. There is already a division between NIC and Superstock so you guys can keep to yourself. I'm gonna keep having fun playing in public parks with blasters I don't have to worry about pelting pedestrians with.

Just to echo what other people have already said, I'd be hesitant to use my blasters because I don't like it if I hit someone twenty feet out using a blaster with twice (or more than twice) the muzzle velocity of their blaster. As a war host, I consider it my number one job to make sure everyone is having fun, and if a thirteen year old comes to my war with a lightly modded EAT, then neither he nor I will be having a good time if I'm continuously lasering him as he tries to get close enough to hit me.

I will also say that in the decade that I've been doing Nerf (considering easily more than fifty wars in public places), I have never seen a pedestrian hit. It's a rule at my wars that everyone calls hold and we all stop if people are walking by the play area, but even at wars where that didn't happen, it's not been an issue.

If you don't want this to be an issue make it clearly stated what the fps limits are and possibly cater to your playerbase. I don't know what the SE wars are like but if the vast majority of players show up with superstockers you may be trying to push the wrong game. I host the games for the Western Indiana Nerf club and I choose superstock and clearly advertise a fps limit of 150. If several of my players wanted a no fps limit war with homemades I would consider a war like that. It's up to the admin to not alienate their playerbase.

I agree with you here and I think that most war hosts (e.g. those in the South East) know their base well enough to host wars the way that they have been hosted, which is why you see no hopper wars or no dart restriction wars or whatever. I guess the heuristic process of war limits in NIC-style wars hosted here may seem a little obtuse to people just starting out, but it's a little easier to grok than FPS limits if you don't have access to a chronograph.

I'm sure you did realize that Spud was speaking hypothetically, but I would like to take a moment to remind everyone that if you don't like what's going on in your local war scene, there is nothing stopping you from hosting your own events. I disagreed with SCUN-style war rules so I started hosting my own, and I went to pretty much all of theirs and they came to pretty much all of mine and everyone was fine about it. Be the change you want to see, etc.

(I'd also like to say that I'm glad we're having this discussion, especially with people on "both" sides of the argument, so if you have dissenting opinions please feel free to sign up here and put them up. We don't ban people for having different opinions from ours (although Langely did give Kane the title of "belligerent asshole;" to be fair, he is).)