Future is an international superstar, but the Atlanta rapper got his start by watching his cousin Rico Wade creating hits with Organized Noize and The Dungeon Family. In the new Apple Music documentary The WIZRD, Wade and OutKast’s André 3000 reflect on Future’s journey from a “fly on the wall” in their studio to a chart-topping artist. André explained that he thinks Future’s strength is turning pain into inspiration.

“Me and my son, we Future fanatics man. And we sit and listen to it, and I said, ‘Man, Future makes the most negative inspirational music ever,’” André said. “The shit he’s talking about could kill a man in a week, but at the same time, if you’re saying, ‘I’m flying first class flights on these pussy niggas,’ It’s like that’s a celebration, we made our own money.”

André noted that Future’s music stands out amongst his trap peers because of its emotion. “I listen to a lot of the [trap] artists, and one thing I can say is that Future has a certain pain behind what he’s doing,” he explained. “You can call it soul, you can call it whatever, but to me it comes off as pain. And now I’m gonna let y'all watch me balance the pain. And we all on edge watching it.”

He also reflected on watching Future’s evolution from Meathead, the rapper’s early name. “I know Meathead from Rico Wade from Organized Noize,” he said. “When I came back [from living in California], I heard this new music. I was like, ‘Who is this dude, this Future dude? It’s jamming.’ Then I come to find out it’s Meathead.”

Rico Wade added that Future succeeded because he created his own lane. “His sound is not necessarily indicate of Dungeon Family, but that’s where he came from,” Wade said.

According to Future, watching André and The Dungeon Family create music as a young man was a hugely influential experience.

“Me being in the dungeon and walking in and seeing André lay down verses that came out to the masses and me just watching and soaking up the game and being a listener and a fly on the wall,” he said. “It damn near brings tears to your eyes knowing the work that I put in, because being in the dungeon and seeing him record those verses seems so far away. Music was my escape. Me not settling for the person I was, the person I felt like I was becoming. Me just wanting something better for my life.”

Future and André collaborated in 2014 on the Honest track “Benz Friendz (Whatchutola),” but the rapper has never used Organized Noize production on one of his songs.

“I’m very proud,” André said. “We came from a time when people just wasn’t listening to the south period. Now you have kids in Brooklyn sounding like Future… He’s already won Grammys to me. He’s changed the course of things… If he never puts out another album, he’s done, for my life, what he’s needed to do. And probably a lot of other people.”

You can watch the full documentary on Apple Music and catch up on all the lyrics to Future’s “Benz Friendz (Whatchutola)” featuring André 3000 on Genius now.