Lionel Chocron, Chief Product Officer at Hedera Hashgraph, came to the US west coast from France to receive a Master’s degree at UC Berkeley twenty years ago. He worked with Cisco on emerging technology and then joined Oracle working on imaging tech, IoT, blockchain, and AI.

I interviewed recently at Blockchain Expo 2019 in Silicon Valley. I published the pieces on my Forbes.com contributor account and another one on CryptographicAsset.com. The audio will soon be available on iTunes, Spotify, etc.

Here are some of my favorite quotes by Lionel from our talk.

1. “The adoption of blockchain is going faster than I've seen in IoT and AI. The time it takes to really get the value on the IoT side is pretty long. On the AI side, you don't have any hardware to install, but the volume of data that you have to be able to analyze to raise the level of insight that your AI machine is giving you, minimizing what the market calls a false positive, is huge. You cannot do it in a few weeks. It takes years and years and volumes of data to be able to train your algorithms. Adoption is great, but it is a game for those who have access to the data to be able to optimize.”

2. “Blockchain and distributed ledgers are pretty well understood. Everybody knows what a ledger is. When you start understanding a distributed ledger, and you start paving the path of how you can use an ecosystem of companies that are working together and sharing information on the ledger, whether it's a private and public ledger, it clicks pretty quickly and people see the value in it.”

3. “In the blockchain space, it is actually a pretty big challenge not having had the experience [of working with hardware wallets]. This is a learning curve that the industry is going through today.”

4. “This is about building use cases, proving the value, developing, and technology, deploying on a POC, and so forth."

5. “[Big companies] make a decision on supply chain, on identity management, on settlement or payment. That’s the use case [they] care about. If we and the other players in the market want to enable companies to adopt distributed ledger technology, we need to find a way to integrate ourselves into this ecosystem.”

6. “[They] make a decision on supply chain, on identity management, on settlement or payment. That’s the use case [they] care about. If we and the other players in the market want to enable companies to adopt distributed ledger technology, we need to find a way to integrate ourselves into this ecosystem.”

7. "[State proofs are] the ability to give a state proof component to any transaction on the network. If there’s a contention between you and I, let’s say we do a transaction and you want to be able to prove legally that that transaction happened at that time, we are going to be able to enable the state proof component features on our network, which will meet the needs of many use cases, especially in the regulatory environments.”

8. “We believe that having a trusted group of global companies with brand awareness, known to govern and drive the evolution of these networks, and contribute by running nodes on the network, will raise the level of trust for companies who want to look into the public blockchain space. We believe this is a direction that the market will reward over time and is already rewarding as we speak.”