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#16543499 - 07/17/12 02:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



Home Brewers, I believe to have stumbled upon a very simple method to make your beer, cider and wine significantly more intoxicating, while making little compromise to the taste of your beverage.



The intoxicating power of your beverage may increase noticably, or maybe even double. If it does, it could turn beer into wine and wine into port as for potency.



Its surprisingly easy: Make your fermentable liquid as usual, but add a little bit of monosodium glutamate, a spice you can obtain from supermarkets and Asian stores.



The correct proportion is:

6.6gr MSG to every kg of sugar in your liquid

or

3gr MSG to every pound of sugar in your liquid



What is supposed to happen, is that the fermentation turns MSG into sodium-GHB and nitrogen yeast nutrient, the GHB adding significantly to the intoxicating power of your beverage while adding only a very mild salty flavor. SCIENCE



Please note that MSG is a natural component of mashes made with particularly corn meal, so we are enhancing something that occurs naturally in fermentations, not doing a completely new chem thing alien to brewing. Yeast itself in fact is full of glutamate inside its cells, and one of the richest sources of this dietary amino acid.



The boys of Chemistry & Pharmacology would much appreciate it if some of you would make your favorite nondistilled alcoholic beverage, and cautiously test its enhanced psychoactivity - and then report back in this thread and double-posted to the Thread in the Chem forum



Please, brew one for science!



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Non-distilled only though?



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We do not yet know the behavior of the GHB upon distillation, it would probably stay behind in the pot, losing the added advantage. Also distilling might produce an off flavor not present in most nondistilled drinks using this technique.



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Fascinating. Hopefully I'll find the time soon to do two identical brew sessions, one with and one without the MSG additive. Never thought I'd have a use for MSG until now!



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Lol, I can just see someone coming out with a brewing calculator that will tell you how much msg to add to your batch based on gravity and batch size.



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Edited by Riboflavin (07/17/12 05:11 PM)



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I've always wanted to do analytical tests on common food items trying to find controlled substances as an excercise to show how absurdist the CSA and DEA is.



If this is true, there should be GHB in some alcoholic products, making beer a controlled substance. (I would think the same would be true of Coca Cola, though they allready have a relationship with the DEA).



The law classifies anything having any amount of controlled substance as itself a controlled substance (and penalties/ mandatory minimums are generally assessed on that basis). Coca Cola and breweries, along with any number of other food producers, are all felons by these ridiculous laws that are applied in this same way to normal people everyday. If you drop a sugar cube with LSD on it into a lake, you've just manufactured a lake's worth of LSD, and can be sentenced on that basis. Gotta love chemistry-ignorant politicians making absurd laws.



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My skills won't be adding any MSG to my brewing. Or anything I ingest knowingly. The amount of MSG being added to food under the guise of "natural flavor" is disgusting. Yeah sure there is some natural glutamate but this is in quantities that are unregulated as to amount. Sure it makes everything savory taste better so they add it to everything. You don't know how much because it is a GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) additive like salt or sugar is. Look at the damage refined sugar and refined salt does. "Oh sure sugar is found in nature as is salt". Therefore too much is just right??



Besides other than some stoop who adds salt and lime to their nasty skunky Corona who really wants salty beer? Oh yea I forgot GHB...







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Edited by LunarEclipse (07/22/12 09:47 PM)



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isnt ghb illegal?



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hidenseek said:

isnt ghb illegal?







OP has said "what is supposed to happen" and we are to be the guinea pigs. GHB pigs?



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#16572988 - 07/23/12 04:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



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If this is true, there should be GHB in some alcoholic products









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Detection of gamma-butyrolactone (GBL)

as a natural component in wine

by

Vose J, Tighe T, Schwartz M, Buel E.

Vermont Forensic Laboratory,

Waterbury 05676, USA.

J Forensic Sci 2001 Sep;46(5):1164-



ABSTRACT



The compound gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) was found in extracts from samples of unadulterated wines. This finding indicates that GBL is a naturally occurring component in some wines and may be present in similar products. The concentration detected was approximately 5 microg/mL and was easily observed using a simple extraction technique followed by GC/MS analysis. These results illustrate the need to carefully examine an allegedly adulterated sample's matrix before determining a sample was laced with GBL.







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Super cool thread.



This experiment could be quite easily done with two 1 gallon jugs of juice from the supermarket.



One with msg and one without.



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This is pure genius.



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Master brewer here. & ohhh haha u caught my attention...& then....GHB??

I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS but man...poisoning my self with date rape hormones while partying seems, to me, questionable! Ha ha haaaaaa lordy...& ewwww salty...

Msg...sounds like chinese food beer!



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Just a warning mixing GHB and alcohol can be dangerous, potentially fatal.



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Yep^ I originally thought he was gonna say.." a way to increase the intoxicating potential of a fermented beverage is to...add more fermentable sugars"

& then things got wierddddd...but...to each- their own..



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Also if you try to rape anyone youre scum...



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They are safe to mix in reasonable amounts, just like benzodiazepines and alcohol, almost anything in excess can be dangerous.



GHB isn't a date rape drug, date rape drugs are essentially an urban myth. As low as 3% of people in emergency rooms reporting being spiked are actually spiked with sedatives, the rest just drank too much alcohol or were coaxed into doing so.



I'll be trying this thing in the next couple of days, still not sure to make a GHBeer or cider



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Master brewer here. & ohhh haha u caught my attention...& then....GHB??

I'M NOT KNOCKING THIS but man...poisoning my self with date rape hormones while partying seems, to me, questionable! Ha ha haaaaaa lordy...& ewwww salty...

Msg...sounds like chinese food beer!







There you go! Chinese food beer salty and loaded with MSG. Chinese beer already has formaldehyde found in it so what's a little flavor enhancer going to do but make it taste just a little better as you get further poisoned.



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GHB isn't a date rape drug, date rape drugs are essentially an urban myth. As low as 3% of people in emergency rooms reporting being spiked are actually spiked with sedatives, the rest just drank too much alcohol or were coaxed into doing so.







You're making a very complicated issue way too simple. Date rape in the sense of people being spiked is very rare. Most of what is referred to as date rape is actually drug facilitated sexual assault (DFSA), and you're right that consists of girls who drank too much alcohol or smoked too much weed and then consented (or did not specifically revoke consent) to something they later regretted.



GHB is a rather poor substitute for a true date rape drug like flunitrazepam, but the research has shown that GHB is a pretty good "love drug" in the sense that many people report it has aphrodisiac and empathogenic action. So there may be some truth to it causing people to consent to things that they would not have under normal circumstances. Still the demonizing GHB as a date rape drug is pretty stupid especially considering that the vast majority of DFSA cases involve alcohol. If I remember correctly GHB counted for less than 10% in all of the studies I read. DFSA is a touchy legally subject and I don't want to get into that aspect of it.



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