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"LIBBY TRIAL: Bush Admin Targeted Wilson's Wife Long Before Wilson's Article Published in NY Times"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/25/2007 @ 6:38 pm PT...





Got my champagne chilled in case of a guilty verdict (oh please TOMORROW oh please oh please). I'll have to buy an entire CASE if this leads to Cheney's indictment.

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... KestrelBrighteyes said on 2/25/2007 @ 6:40 pm PT...





OT - BRAD - another White House scrub? The White House website is getting scrubbed

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Miss Persistent said on 2/25/2007 @ 6:53 pm PT...





Cheney is rather the sadistic sort wouldn't we say? I think he yearns for someone to cross him, gathering ammunition in the meantime. That's all he's about. It's all a sick game. Anyone who may show he's wrong is a target. And he LOVES to "send messages". Any way doesn't some CIA person have to have tipped Cheney off early? In order for Libby to be ordered into hot pursuit? I can't imagine that Cheney can pull all of his "fact" from that tapeworm that was his gray matter. (Where's House when you need him.)

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Miss Persistent said on 2/25/2007 @ 6:59 pm PT...





IMHO, I think if the jury is serious they'll have to listen to the tape, put faces to names, rehash, take their time. I think they need time to convict - the more the better. Say Tuesday? STILL, the investigation will go on won't it? Cheney next?

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... GWN said on 2/25/2007 @ 8:20 pm PT...





Thank you Margie for laying out the time frame and names. I tried to do it but got lost... I personally think they went for the two-fer. Outed Valerie to make it easier to sell the invasion of Iran as she likely would contradict their claims of Iran having nuclear weapons. Joe Wilson is a true patriot.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... jen said on 2/25/2007 @ 8:29 pm PT...





My bet --- it had something to do with Iran. They conveniently thwarted CIA work that possibly would have shown that Iran was no where close to having nuclear weapons. http://stopiranwar.com/ (The above is not only a message to Jr (which we all know will do no good), but a resource to contact Congress as well as the media. If you want to skip the message to Jr. part, click the "Take Action" link at top of page.)

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Diane said on 2/25/2007 @ 10:12 pm PT...





Was it Novak who told Chris Matthews Wilson's wife was something like... "fair game"? These people are sick... And when are the Dem's going to start saying so at every opportunity...in public!?

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 2/26/2007 @ 12:19 am PT...





Diane: I'm almost positive Matthews said it was Karl Rove that made the "fair game" statement. I don't know why that never comes up anymore, it's not only illuminating but disturbingly evil.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... Bull dog said on 2/26/2007 @ 12:25 am PT...





Imagine you are Cheney, making those 17 unprecedented trips to the CIA, trying to drum up excuses to go into Iraq, with the British insisting upon the UN route. Now picture if you will, an agent at Langley and she keeps telling you there is nothing and she will not compromise the truth. Seymour Hersh's April 10, 2006 article in the New Yorker quoted an anonymous official saying,

“A former senior intelligence official told me that people in the Pentagon were asking, What’s the evidence? We’ve got a million tentacles out there, overt and covert, and these guys”—the Iranians—“have been working on this for eighteen years, and we have nothing? We’re coming up with jack shit.” Now she is messing with your plans to steal Iraqi oil and you are running out of time. So you keep coming back to Langley to put pressure on her, but she sticks to her guns and the truth. That isn't what you want to hear. Now being the biggest Dick in the country, also makes you a vengeful prick. So you start the process of revenge, because you know she is eventually going to be trouble. Especially since Iran is next on the agenda.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... txgirl said on 2/26/2007 @ 1:03 am PT...





Plame worked on the Counterproliferation Task Force; she was working on WMD intelligence gathering activities regarding Iran. If this were a great work of fiction, a moive script of epic proportions ... Iran would Cheney's nemesis, his Moby Dick, as it were (tailgate party photos notwithstanding). And he must get it, like Captain Ahab, he must do ... something. Revenge? Just what has gotten into Dick?) It makes sense that he would need to remove Plame from the field for her Iran WMDs non-proliferation work and destroy that office's years of contacts, shile simultaneously silencing a pesky critic of the first stage, thus any impediment to the successful implementation of the Long Occupation in Iraq, once Wilson's Op-ed slipped out... then use Iraq as an opportunistic proxy, a probably-bloodier-than-he-expected stand-in, for war with Iran. Iraq becomes, intentionally or not, a geographically convenient staging ground for a "next phase" in this script. But why? ...that is, if this were a movie, or a great work of fiction.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... txgirl said on 2/26/2007 @ 1:08 am PT...





Oh, looks like Bull Dog #9 got to it first. I must have been composing my comment about the same time he posted his.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/26/2007 @ 5:00 am PT...





KBE #1 and Miss Persistent #3 Remember a few years ago when ZERO evidence had been produced and the whole thing was in a fog. We hypothesized that since they are a top-down, decider in chief down, and lock-step regime, that Libby would do nothing on his own. Independent thinking is not the way things are done at the regime building. We concluded way back then that Cheney and Bush were the originators of the crime. Hey time shows we were correct and accurate ... while Ricky said we were conspiracy nuts.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/26/2007 @ 5:50 am PT...





On this blog, I have also been calling the American Government during the 109th congress years the "republican dictatorship". I have been pointing out that we ought not look back to Hitler and Mussolini for examples of a dictatorship. A modern dictatorship which has years of psyop type professional training is smooth and not apparent to those who are not watching closely. Anything that thwarts the will of the people is a part of dictatorship. A great mystery happened in the '08 election and the congress was transformed in part. That was a signal to the republican dictatorship, and some republicans in congress do not want to be a part of the dictatorship any more. But will it matter?. Check this out:

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged the Democratic-controlled U.S. Congress not to interfere in the conduct of the Iraq war and suggested President George W. Bush would defy troop withdrawal legislation. (AP Report, emphasis added). That makes it official that the scope of the republican dictatorship has been narrowed to the Bush regime. But is it now more dangerous, since it is now in open defiance to the congress the people recently elected?

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Eli said on 2/26/2007 @ 6:16 am PT...





A recent dailykos piece that got picked up in newspapers across the world made the startling point that the VP's efforts were to discredit and thereby dismantle the CIA's counterproliferation unit. Haunting analysis that manages to makes sense of the big WHY in terms that make sense:

http://www.dailykos.com/...nly/2007/2/7/112015/2282

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Gonnuts said on 2/26/2007 @ 6:35 am PT...





It has been said that Plame was the original target because with her expertize on the proliferation of WMD in Iran she would have to be removed so she wouldn't be there to refute the bullshit the administration is spewing about Iran now. One has to remember that Iran has always been the target. The saying in this administration has been, "Real men go to Tehran". Read PANC. It's all there. There is a good case to be made that it wasn't Wilson they wanted to neutralize, but Plame.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Rolf von Richter said on 2/26/2007 @ 6:55 am PT...





Months ago for one day only and no longer covered by any media was a story that she stopped some WMD from going into Iraq as planned by Cheney's covert action so they could be discovered.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Eyeball Kid said on 2/26/2007 @ 6:58 am PT...





Hello? What about Brewster Jennings? I remember reading that, just prior to the "outing" of Plame, Brewster Jennings was responsible for the interception of a shipment of "WMDs" that were being transported to Iraq from along the Turkish border. It was a black op, the mission of which was to plant WMDs in Iraq to falsely justify the invasion. When Cheney got wind of the interception, he went ballistic. THAT'S why, in a second Robert Novak column, Novak outs BREWSTER JENNINGS as the brass plate company within which Plame did her work. No one seems to want to connect the dots to the Brewster Jennings interception. Why is that?

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... big dan said on 2/26/2007 @ 7:25 am PT...





Let's not forget, that they stole the 2000 election, too. the stolen 2004 election was a result of the stolen 2000 election, so the 2000 one is worse. So, we're in this situation because of election fraud. BUT...how good was our system, if we were ONE stolen presidential election away from this??? What's the difference WHEN they stole it? If we were ONE stolen election away from FASCISM, then this democracy wasn't setup good to begin with. We need to impeach, the Dems need to impeach. We need to clear up the radio and TV airwaves of propoganda, and we need to have elections in which EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNTS! Dems??? WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT ALL OF THIS??? We need to start seeing people thrown in the slammer for what they did to our country!!!!!!!!!

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... big dan said on 2/26/2007 @ 7:28 am PT...





The 2000 election, Bush was APPOINTED BY THE CROOKED SUPREME COURT AND SCALIA...who had a conflict of interest in the case. They overrode the STATE SUPREME COURT OF FLORIDA, proving that "conservatives" are full of shit, that they believe in STATE RIGHTS over FEDERAL...another line of "conservative BULLSHIT"... The Supreme Court members should be treated like the treasonous criminals they are, and thrown in the slammer!!! Of course, the common link involved in everything, is the corporate media did not tell us all of this.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Margie Burns said on 2/26/2007 @ 7:28 am PT...





Reply to "Gonnuts" comment #15: I have not been reading Kos while sitting in on the trial, because I don't want to be influenced unduly. However, my friend Wayne Madsen was actually all over this topic back in 2005. See for example http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/2005_july.php: " The untold story of Rovegate may be whether the White House not only leaked the name of Joseph Wilson's wife for purely political retaliation but also to close down her and her Brewster Jennings' team's work on counter-WMD proliferation. Some insiders believe that the CIA covert group was getting uncomfortably close to clandestine business deals that would have exposed members of the Bush family and their closest political and business friends."

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... big dan said on 2/26/2007 @ 7:31 am PT...





The biggest problem of all, is that we were ONE STOLEN ELECTION AWAY FROM ALL OF THIS!!! So, WAS THAT GOOD??????? I don't think so!!! It was a MATTER OF TIME only, then...it could've been 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012...WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE??? Or it could've been 1992 or 1996.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... big dan said on 2/26/2007 @ 7:32 am PT...





I remember reading that, Margie...

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Bud,...BC Bud. said on 2/26/2007 @ 8:55 am PT...





...geez, over a year ago I read a couple places (cloak+dagger website,Tom Flocco etc.) that The hot Mrs.Plame DID indeed intercept the V.P.'s WMD shipment being imported into Iraq as the 'Proof' about the premise to go to war.Boy was he angry,apparently. Hey, I've never heard of anybody explaining the pipeline going to Kuwait built right after 'Victory' It's in a 2003 Popular Mechanics. No one's paying attention to these 24/7 secret Administration moneymakers and that's why Iraq happened....

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/26/2007 @ 10:04 am PT...





Since one juror was removed, over the objection of the prosecutor, from the 12-person jury, I thought I would discuss it here. The Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure in general terms requires a 12-person jury:

Although a jury composed of as few as six persons is constitutional [Williams v. Florida, 399 U.S. 78 (1970)], the current requirement in federal criminal trials is that a jury must be composed of twelve persons [Fed. R. Crim. P. 23(a)] Many states likewise require a 12-person jury in criminal trials. (§2.01 [B], emphasis added). There is an exception where an 11-person jury will do:

After the jury has retired to deliberate, the court may permit a jury of 11 persons to return a verdict, even without a stipulation by the parties, if the court finds good cause to excuse a juror. (Federal Criminal Rule 23, emphasis added). The key is "good cause". If Libby is found not guilty, Fitz would have the right to appeal and try to show that there was no "good cause" to use the 11-person jury instead of using an alternate juror to bring the total back up to 12 persons.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... patriot said on 2/26/2007 @ 10:42 am PT...





Yes indeed, the cheney gang committed treason with two goals in mind:

1) protect their treasonous gun-running activities in the middle east, and

2) make sure it is impossible to get accurate intel on whether Iran has a nuclear weapons program. One would have to assume from the actions of the neoscum and darth cheney that Plame and her undercover operation were well aware that Iran does not have a weapons program that is bearing any fruit. She also may have been onto other treason activities of the bush crime family and the larger neocon menace besides gun running to our enemies. It is indeed difficult to find any "people" on the planet more evil than dumbya, darth, abu gonzales,

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Miss P said on 2/26/2007 @ 12:52 pm PT...





HI Dredd #12 - Yes, I remember! Poor lil Ricky. Does anyone remember where in the timeline the stranger on the street who was saying nasty things about Wilson comes in? How did that story go again?

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... Bud,...BC Bud. said on 2/26/2007 @ 1:24 pm PT...





I'll mention what I've read and pieced together from others' speculation. The prez,v.p.,gonzo and more well known types had sealed-indictments against them over a year ago, Fitz learned some crazy stuff(including 9/11,Bush+Clinton crime families,etc.). Some conspiratorial minded folks figure that if Fitz went for it there would suddenly be a major country-wide constitutional crisis exposing too many dirty politicians, or... Iran 'does something',(or a terror attack,massive bird flu outbreak,etc.) would change All the rules overnight in BigBro's favour. A pro-bush friend also recently told me that the Prez stays in power in a declared war, so if enough stuff goes badly for the Admin. before the next election....

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... big dan said on 2/26/2007 @ 2:20 pm PT...





This is interesting: http://winterpatriot.blo...11-suspect-awaiting.html

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... Mr Blifil said on 2/26/2007 @ 8:07 pm PT...





Let's not forget that according to Wilson's book, it was the Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus who warned Wilson that the NY Times was about to out him as a result of inquiries about Kristof's article. It's not hard to speculate that Judy may have been the one charged by the Times with crafting the never written hit piece. Whatever she was meeting Scooter about ended up not seeing the light of day. Could that have been related to Wilson's decision to effectively out himself? Keller may not have known at that time that Wilson already had a standing invite to write his op-ed, which he initially took a pass on when the chance was offered. Did Keller know what Judy was working on? After Pincus' advice to Wilson, Wilson called his contact and the op-ed piece ran. The rest is history.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Sandy D. said on 2/26/2007 @ 9:54 pm PT...





# Dredd: No, a prosecutor can NEVER appeal an acquittal, only PRE-TRIAL motions related to evidence and charges (and maybe other issues that don't come to mind right now). On the other hand, if Libby is convicted HIS attorney can claim the use of an 11 person jury denied him his rights. He'll lose that one. He'd have to prove abuse of discretion and it wasn't.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 2/27/2007 @ 3:57 am PT...





The juror who refused to wear a valentine costume was the juror who was pulled. Am I a conspiracy theorist or is there some significance here? Don't ask me, I'm not a lawyer. I am only a C average high school graduate with a spell checker.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Bud,...BC Bud. said on 2/27/2007 @ 5:31 am PT...





I've been watching and I just feel 'the Fix is in' and proceeding as well as expected when They decided on it. He's agreed to take the fall(+payoff) and then wait for his pardon,... the thing I don't get is that with all the Crazy stuff that Fitz apparently has learned and is sitting on, why he isn't wearing a bullet-proof face mask 24/7. This is playing out all nice'n'civilized like on CNN, how mainstream for the sheep to understand...

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 2/27/2007 @ 7:07 am PT...

