Oil and Water: Feminists and Due Process

Innocent before proven guilty. Not a hard concept. When hearing stories from immigrants who have come to Canada to flee a corrupt or brutal country, one of the first things they say is how in their country you are considered guilty and it is up to YOU to prove that you are innocent.





I came across an article about a new group called Mothers for Due Process. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/384780/mothers-due-process-caroline-kitchens The article starts out with a story which I have seen in increasing occurrence.





In January 2010, University of North Dakota student Caleb Warner was accused of sexually assaulting a fellow student. Using a preponderance-of-the-evidence standard, a UND tribunal found Warner guilty of sexual misconduct and swiftly expelled him. Yet the police, presented with the same evidence, never arrested or charged Mr. Warner. After a three-month investigation, they charged Warner’s accuser with filing a false report and issued a warrant for her arrest. Despite these developments, UND repeatedly refused to rescind Warner’s expulsion.





The article continues on interviewing the co-founder on their objectives, and was a very even-handed interview. No hidden agendas. No bullshit. And a few lines that are impactful:







When the person who makes the accusation is provided with unlimited support and virtually guaranteed a win in a campus hearing, innocent people will be found guilty.





As with most articles, the reader comments section is often a good read of extra points the article may of missed, and in some cases people calling out the article writer on their bullshit. So with that in mind I was FULLY EXPECTING to read at least one remark from a feminist downplaying false-rape accusations, or supporting campus tribunals and Washington's assault on campus due process.





I was shocked. 16 comments. All of them level headed! Here are all 16 comments, and you be the judge (with due process of course):





Comments

Feminists have successfully pushed for and implemented due process-free civil procedures in family court for years.

Time for them to destroy men's lives in yet another venue.

After all, if you promote insanely inaccurate statistics, you then need to generate more violators to back up your figures.....













How sadly ironic -- and dangerous -- that institutions of higher education are teaching young citizens to be ignorant of the essential civil liberty of due process.





Universities shouldn't be having "tribunals" on anything besides academic misconduct. Rape is a crime, and should be reported to the police for investigation. And the accused assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.





The problem is that so much of university administrative staff is populated by virulent feminist extremists who despise men. Until these harridans are removed and replaced by sane people, this kind of thing is going to persist.





Note to men on campus: Date townies.





This is just a waypoint on the route to sharia.





As I have stated in other forums, the big problem is that on many college campuses the definition of 'sexual assault' is overly broad and vague. Something as simple as "Hey, do you wanna go out with me?" or some otherwise benign action or word that makes a woman on campus feel uncomfortable has been considered sexual assault on some campuses. How the heck does anyone defend against that? Those kind of actions wouldn't be considered sexual assault in the real world, so why on campus? Unless the definition of sexual assault are well defined (meaning not absurd or politically correct....which is really the same thing) and understood that they apply to both men and women, then any reforms or changes are meaningless.





If there is a rape at the shopping mall, is it reported to the mall cops and adjudicated by the "You Are Here" kiosk? It should be illegal for colleges to operate a parallel (and unqualified) "justice" system.





I don't think it should be illegal, but they should be sued for the balance of their endowment fund.





All accusations should be referred to local law enforcement.

If there is some need to separate accuser and accused, excuse the accused without prejudice for the semester and refund the semester's tuition.





Sounds like UND has left itself open to a substantial lawsuit. Especially once they refused to re-examine the case after the police arrested his accuser for filing a false report.

Allowing him back in after a year and a half does little to undo the damage they have done to him and his career.





"As an American I can be firmly on the side of taking steps to stop sexual assault while at the same time seeking solutions that do not imperil the future of an innocent person."

Exactly. Ask a statistican / scientist about Type I and Type II errors, or ask a business person what happens to waste they don't measure.

What law makers need to understand is that by not creating bills that seek to balance stopping sexual assault with protecting against false claims they will be actively encouraging an increase in the rate of false claims.

As others have asked, are there sponsoring legislators with sons in high school or college?





I don't understand this entire focus on sexual assault on college campuses. Why is there such a push to create an additional investigations and routes of "justice" within colleges? Why not rely on the same system everyone else has- police investigators, prosecutors, courts, etc?





I think it's because these girls want to think of themselves as princesses at court, who deserve to be protected by their own personal palace guards. How the girls get like that is beyond me.





Why the focus?

1. College authorities are almost all liberal, progressive, etc..

2. Liberals act not from reason or logic but from feelings, emotions.

3. Liberals have labelled certain demographics as victims

4. Liberals feel good about "helping" victims.

5. All demographics except mature Caucasian men have been designated as victims.

6. Liberals feel good about protecting and/or giving gifts to victim groups.

7. Liberals live to have power over others.

8. Liberals feel good about protecting women.

9..Can you say Kangaroo Court??









Seems to me these universities are opening themselves up to lawsuits. Punishing someone who is eventually found not guilty of rape or assault will no doubt result in multi million dollar law suits. Duke university settled ~10 different lawsuit against them. No terms were disclosed but I am left with the impression that it cost Duke a lot of money.





Tide Turning?

Perhaps a small experience like this is a signal that the pendulum will be swinging back to the rational. Maybe when enough mothers out there see the effects of feminist policies on their sons, these kangaroo courts will be eliminated. I say mothers because there are many examples of men's voices being stifled by feminists and their supporters. Men's rights group can't even meet in public without feminist protesting (e.g. Ryerson University). MRAs have been on twitter criticizing feminists for years, but only recently have mainstream media picked up on this because WOMEN are now doing the same with the hashtag #WomenAgainstFeminism. Would a book called "Marriage Strike" get any airplay on mainstream 'breakfast television' if the author was not a female?





Don't get me started on 'breakfast television'. That is a vapid scourge that needs to be removed from the earth.

Breakfast Television discussing men























