Rogers Urges Canadians To Fight Against Wireless Competition Doesn't Want 700 MHz Rules That Help New Entrants Wireless competition? All those lower prices, improved service and companies having to compete to earn your money? Who needs it! Canadian cable and wireless operator Rogers certainly isn't a fan, and according to the CBC, Rogers has launched a new campaign aimed at ensuring upcoming spectrum rules don't do new competitors any favors. According to Rogers, doing so "would be a recipe for leaving Canada behind the rest of the world, stalling Canadian innovation and limiting who can access LTE." Unmentioned by the CBC or Rogers is their effort to try and keep new entrants like WIND out of Canada by getting government to pass foreign ownership (aka protectionism) rules, the fact that incumbents often dominate the auction process, or the fact that Rogers already squats on a significant amount of unused spectrum.







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Kaloni

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Smiths Falls, ON Kaloni Premium Member Rogers needs a Wakeup Call Considering the attitude Rogers took towards me as of Friday, the last thing I want to do is protect the oligopoly they hold on the wireless industry. I switched to Telus over the weekend (yes, part of the oligopoly) because I can walk into a store, and be treated with at least an ounce of respect. I can get a phone, not be treated like meat while doing so, and be told the truth, or be able to easily find out the truth.



With Rogers, they're panicking because their stranglehold will be released quickly and swiftly if they don't get their way, and they don't want to see that happen. resa1983

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North York, ON resa1983 Premium Member Need more competition You can change the wording of Rogers' new campaign and submit it via the Rogers form to your local representation.



Many users so far have used the form to change the message ie 'set aside spectrum for new/recent entrants' with a note on the bottom to please reply to the email to be sure it came through unmolested by Rogers. A few users have already received emails back from their reps with the original email quoted properly, so it is working right now.

TwiztedZero

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Toronto, ON TwiztedZero Premium Member Re: Need more competition said by resa1983: You can change the wording of Rogers' new campaign and submit it via the Rogers form to your local representation.



Many users so far have used the form to change the message ie 'set aside spectrum for new/recent entrants' with a note on the bottom to please reply to the email to be sure it came through unmolested by Rogers. A few users have already received emails back from their reps with the original email quoted properly, so it is working right now.



muah-ha-ha-ha-ha-hahaha-ha! Mine: » pastebin.com/xiZQ1e34 muah-ha-ha-ha-ha-hahaha-ha! resa1983

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North York, ON resa1983 Premium Member Re: Need more competition I saw that version - theres another one, which specifically asks that spectrum be set aside for new/recent entrants.

Smith6612

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North Tonawanda, NY Smith6612 to TwiztedZero

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What happened to #5?

TwiztedZero

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Toronto, ON TwiztedZero Premium Member Re: Need more competition said by Smith6612: What happened to #5?

Yeek, sry I was in a hurry this afternoon when I did that one up... I didn't notice a few appears to be missing... strange... cause I was sure I c&p'd the whole thing verbatim. :| I'll look at it again when I get home.

Smith6612

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North Tonawanda, NY Smith6612 MVM Re: Need more competition Perhaps it was capped by Bell? tjmone

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Toronto, ON tjmone Member Telecoms attempting grassroots campaigns is sad... As a general rule, whatever telecoms are for, I am against.



It saves me critical thinking time.

Farmer Chuck

@teksavvy.com Farmer Chuck Anon What else is new this is Canada? Wired internet in Canada has been passed by all the third world countries now it's wireless's turn to be passed by all the third world countries. 34764170 (banned)

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Etobicoke, ON 34764170 (banned) Member Re: What else is new this is Canada? We already have been passed in both areas specifically because of companies like Rogers and Bell. ConstantineM

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San Jose, CA ConstantineM Member Shame on you, Rogers, for misusing the trust!



I mean, the text of the letter taken by itself and without any specific context makes perfect sense, doesn't it? That's until you get the actual context from other sites, or dip into your prior knowledge (see »



But Canadians are reasonable, smart and resilient. I'd be surprised if any reasonable person, being a Rogers customer or not, would sign up under something like this, without finding it suspicious. LTE is nice, but I doubt any Canadian would even consider selling their soul for the mere LTE, especially not from Rogers. You've got the wrong market, Rogers! Rogers should really be ashamed of running such a campaign, trying to misguide their customers into believing they sign up to something that's worthwhile.I mean, the text of the letter taken by itself and without any specific context makes perfect sense, doesn't it? That's until you get the actual context from other sites, or dip into your prior knowledge (see » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatr ) or mere common sense.But Canadians are reasonable, smart and resilient. I'd be surprised if any reasonable person, being a Rogers customer or not, would sign up under something like this, without finding it suspicious. LTE is nice, but I doubt any Canadian would even consider selling their soul for the mere LTE, especially not from Rogers. You've got the wrong market, Rogers! resa1983

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North York, ON resa1983 Premium Member Re: Shame on you, Rogers, for misusing the trust! This is Rogers.. They have no shame whatsoever. The bottom line ($$) is what they care about - they don't give a damn that they're screw customers.. Screwing customers makes them more money. MaynardKrebs

We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee.

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Give the new entrants spectrum I pointed out that the incumbents were granted spectrum and low/no cost years ago, and that if the government wanted competition and non-rapacious prices for Canadians that they should set aside sufficient 700MHz spectrum blocks for the new kids.



I also gave them a short physics lesson about the practical realities of 700/850MHz vs 1700-2100MHz in terms of penetrating power and range, and how the higher frequencies doom their 'owners' to higher costs for the same coverage radius and building penetration. chgo_man99

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San Jose, CA chgo_man99 Member Re: Give the new entrants spectrum dont kid yourself. 1700/2100/1900 spectrum is needed in many areas, especially urban to minimize interference and provide stable high speed connection. MaynardKrebs

We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee.

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Re: Give the new entrants spectrum said by chgo_man99: dont kid yourself. 1700/2100/1900 spectrum is needed in many areas, especially urban to minimize interference and provide stable high speed connection.







Consider the following:

Two transmitters on the same tower, one @ 700 MHz, one at 2100 MHz, both operating with the same power output and as close to identical antenna radiation patterns.



The 700 MHz transmitter will have a longer range and be able to penetrate deeper into concrete/steel structures than the 2100 MHz transmitter.



In order for the 2100 MHz signal to cover the same geographic area with the same receiver signal strength as the 700 Mz signal, there may have to be 1.x as many transmitters @ 2100 MHz ( where x is greater than 0, but it is certainly greater than a 1:1 correspondence), hence costing the carrier with zero/little lower frequency spectrum more cash to cover the same are with the same effectiveness. A carrier with little/no 700/850 MHz spectrum is at a constant disadvantage in terms of infrastructure costs and in terms of customer signal reception quality.



Carriers need a mix of both lower & higher frequencies in order to optimize the customer experience and satisfy growth needs. To 'lock' the new Canadian carriers out of access (subsidized or not) of the 700 MHz spectrum will simply insure their demise in a few short years. One must not lose sight of the fact that the incumbents got most of their early spectrum allotments for free or nearly so. I never said that it wasn't needed. What I said was that the playing field needed to be leveled.Consider the following:Two transmitters on the same tower, one @ 700 MHz, one at 2100 MHz, both operating with the same power output and as close to identical antenna radiation patterns.The 700 MHz transmitter will have a longer range and be able to penetrate deeper into concrete/steel structures than the 2100 MHz transmitter.In order for the 2100 MHz signal to cover the same geographic area with the same receiver signal strength as the 700 Mz signal, there may have to be 1.x as many transmitters @ 2100 MHz ( where x is greater than 0, but it is certainly greater than a 1:1 correspondence), hence costing the carrier with zero/little lower frequency spectrum more cash to cover the same are with the same effectiveness. A carrier with little/no 700/850 MHz spectrum is at a constant disadvantage in terms of infrastructure costs and in terms of customer signal reception quality.Carriers need a mix of both lower & higher frequencies in order to optimize the customer experience and satisfy growth needs. To 'lock' the new Canadian carriers out of access (subsidized or not) of the 700 MHz spectrum will simply insure their demise in a few short years. One must not lose sight of the fact that the incumbents got most of their early spectrum allotments for free or nearly so. stonedog

join:2010-07-25 stonedog Member Rogers and Bell Both these companies benefit from the fact that for the majority of Canadian there is little choice between them and therefore they are able to provide poor service with the take it or leave it attitude. But Canadians need fear not b/c they are protected by the CRTC (oops that really only works for Superman Comics doesn't it). The Feds continue to drag their feet on reform of the ownership rules and foreign investment. Quite frankly the Canadian Telecom companies have been pathetic in terms of their business models. With the degree on protection they had at home they had a great springboard into more open markets. Ah perhaps that is part of the problem the culture Canadian Telecom companies Bell Rogers etc. is adverse to competition. So Rogers is leading off with its efforts to stifle competition. Competiton is needed in Canada the incumbents are big enough to compete in an open market. More companies will no doubt equal more jobs if the legislative model is correct; it just will not be as cozy for the incumbents as the customer will be in the driving seat.



However, I say fine let Bell and Rogers buy as much as they want. However, if they fail to fully use in a commercially reasonable and meaningful way they should be be forced to licence it to their competitors for a peppercorn fee. That requirement should also attaqch to the spectrum that they are presently just sitting on. I encourage everyone to make their feelings know to their elected representatives who knows they might actually pay attention and look after us for a change your comment..

