Juan Williams found heavy sledding trying to defend the ongoing Democrat narrative that impeachment of President Trump is a real possibility. Jesse Watters buried him in an avalanche of logic and common sense, while Juan’s reliance upon feeble progressive talking points got him nowhere.

Watters set-up Williams on Fox News Channel’s The Five on Wednesday with a simple question, asking, “Juan, where do you think the Democrats stand right now on impeachment? Looks like they’re pretty split, but no one can actually name the crime that they are impeaching him for. We’re talking about broad things like a threat to democracy. That’s not going to stick.”

“That’s not what we’re talking about,” Williams responded.

“What are we talking about?” asked Watters. “What’s the crime?”

“Obstruction of justice,” said Williams. “… he tried to tell Don McGahn — and this is the point of great concern right now — he told McGahn to fire Mueller.”

The exchange between the two quickly became heated and the two began to speak over each other.

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“But he didn’t fire Mueller,” said Watters.

“No, McGahn apparently disobeyed his order. Now, Trump says nobody disobeys his order,” Williams said.

“So, wanting to fire someone, which he has every right to do under Article Two, wanting to fire someone is obstruction of justice? … Juan, ‘wanting’ is a crime?”

Williams said, “He calls up his lawyer, Don McGahn, and tells him to have the Attorney General fire Mueller because of conflict of interest when there was no such thing going on. And McGahn saves him, because it would’ve been an absolute fiasco.”

“How is he obstructing?”

“Even The Wall Street Journal this morning just said, they believe McGahn,” Williams said. “Now Trump is saying McGahn is not telling the truth. They say, you know what, Trump lies just so much and it undermines his own credibility in so many ways. That’s The Wall Street Journal editorial page this morning. But let me say there’s so many instances like this. Greg says things are going great. Forget about normal Republican positions on things like lowering the deficit or not having all these trade tariffs, or not undermining democracy.”

Greg Gutfeld jumped in and asked, “How is the country going so far, Juan?”

“I don’t think it’s going well,” said Williams.

“You don’t have any evidence,” said Gutfeld dismissively.

Williams said, “You also say, Greg, oh, he is the most transparent president ever. If he is so transparent, why is he trying to stop Don McGahn from testifying?”

Watters regained the tiller, saying, “Because enough is enough. He’s given over 1.4 million documents. Everyone has testified. He delivered written answers. Mueller looked at his taxes. There’s nothing there. Why are the Democrats continuing to push this issue when they know that Mueller saw everything he needed to see?”

“All you can do is shout because he wouldn’t even talk to Mueller. He did not testify for Mueller.”

“Yeah, he gave him written responses, Juan.”

“The point right now,” said Williams, “is the Democrats are going to subpoena so much information, I guess they could hold McGahn in contempt of Congress. What the President and the White House are doing is basically slow walking it and saying we are stonewalling. We will end up in the courts. But we will not cooperate.”

Laying out the bottom line and stating the obvious, Watters said, “They have cooperated fully. Mueller said that they had full cooperation. Right now, these two people, McGahn, Trump, Special Counsel, they are all under the executive branch. There is no reason they just can’t claim executive privilege and say …”

“They didn’t claim it earlier,” Williams moaned.

“They can claim it whenever they want,” Watters said, showing the smile that keeps folks like Juan Williams frustrated and defeated.