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Trump‘s lawyers are trying to prevent a presidential interview with Special Counsel Robert Mueller because they are worried about Trump facing counts of witness tampering and obstruction of justice.

Video of Nicolle Wallace talking about Trump‘s legal strategy:

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Wallace said, “Donald Trump‘s lawyers this afternoon rejected special counsel Robert Mueller‘s latest offer for an interview. Jay Sekulow, one of the president’s lawyers, confirmed that a letter had been sent and Rudy Giuliani added what sounded like a threat saying in a statement, quote, millions of pages of documents along with testimony from dozens of witnesses have been provided. We’re restating what we have been saying for months. It is time for the office of the special counsel to conclude its inquiry without further delay. A source close to Giuliani, Mr. Trump, tells me today the legal team strategy, quote, both sides are being played. The special counsel‘s office and the president. There won’t ever be a presidential interview.”

The MSNBC host added later, “They had been prepared last week to tell Mr. Mueller Mr. Trump would decline an interview, but the president who believes he can convince Mr. Mueller he is innocent pushed his lawyers to continue negotiating. It’s the rare instance in which Robert Mueller and Donald Trump want the very same thing, which is striking especially in light of new reporting we brought you earlier this week from a source close to the Trump legal effort who tells us that there are serious concerns the president may have already engaged in conduct that leaves him vulnerable to charges of witness tampering and obstruction of justice.”

Trump thinks that he can talk his way out of trouble. His lawyers know that he can’t. His representation is also trying to hold off a Mueller subpoena. The only thing standing between Trump and destruction is his legal team. If Trump gets his own way and sits down with Mueller, perjury might be the least of the president’s issues. Trump could end up incriminating himself by confirming witness tampering and obstruction of justice.

It is interesting that a legal team that has argued that the president can’t be charged with a crime is so worried about Mueller charging Trump with witness tampering and obstruction of justice. Trump‘s lawyers are fighting a losing battle. Mueller will eventually release his report and if Democrats control the House, impeachment hearings will begin.

The feeling is growing that the question surrounding impeachment isn’t if, but when will Trump be impeached.

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