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Last edit: July 06, 2015, 06:41:28 AM by TPTB_need_war #401 Quote from: minor-transgression on July 05, 2015, 03:00:57 PM They have no faith in their beliefs.



What does that say about gonvernments and their currency - "the full faith and credit" ?



When faith fades, government will not survive long.



Astute. When Greece votes no to "austerity", I suspect they do not know what they are voting "yes" to. The people have no idea the sacrifice that is required for them to reform their government which sold out to Goldman Sachs long ago.



The problem of socialism is institutionalized and engrained dependence. That is why the cancer can not be easily escaped without total chaos.



And when the chaos comes, the NWO will be waiting to catch the burnout from the wars and riots and offering peace. Precisely as depicted on those murals at the Denver airport (Google "something strange at the Denver airport").



This was premeditated by TPTB. They are even laughing at us in our face with those murals. They know cows and sheep can't



But ... the knowledge age can self-organize and that is precisely what I am up to with my work which is much broader than just an anonymous altcoin.



Hopefully soon you will see the fruits of my long-winded, long gestation labor. Astute. When Greece votes no to "austerity", I suspect they do not know what they are voting "yes" to. The people have no idea the sacrifice that is required for them to reform their government which sold out to Goldman Sachs long ago.The problem of socialism is institutionalized and engrained dependence. That is why the cancer can not be easily escaped without total chaos.And when the chaos comes, the NWO will be waiting to catch the burnout from the wars and riots and offering peace. Precisely as depicted on those murals at the Denver airport (Google "something strange at the Denver airport").This was premeditated by TPTB. They are even laughing at us in our face with those murals. They know cows and sheep can't self-organize But ... the knowledge age can self-organize and that is precisely what I am up to with my work which is much broader than just an anonymous altcoin.Hopefully soon you will see the fruits of my long-winded, long gestation labor. UnunoctiumTesticles, iamback, contagion, formerly AnonyMint TheFascistMind , etc

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Like you, I will do everything in my power to avoid what I have being expropriated by the government, but it would seem they could have most angles covered. We'll see. I've been working on applying various hedging strategies for a while, trying to refine them. But of course each of us has their own ideas of how to weigh various factors. Gold would be a small part; I think I read you were looking at around 12% or so  I'm waiting for the low (as with Bitcoin; to add to what I have). It's currently free of CGT here; but for how long if its value rises significantly? Timing seems crucial. And I'm prepared too that it is likely be a complete waste of time holding it.



I'm still to be convinced that relatively non-techies (as you and I appear to be compared to most on here) would be easily able to access any emerging anonymous internet in order to access crypto-currencies, especially if living away from population centres. We're around 10 miles from the nearest town on the edge of a small community, with unpredictable broadband and virtually non-existent mobile/cell signal.



We could perhaps do with some kind of knowledge-base presented in a straightforward style (somewhat like the Surviving in Argentina



I agree with you that the sleepy places can't count on remaining unharmed. There seems a wide spectrum of possibilities ahead of us, ranging from a protracted Japanese-style stagnation with added austerity... to the unthinkable.



I'm intrigued at the seemingly imminent results of TPTB's fruits of my long-winded, long gestation labor. OROBTC, Personally, I've come to believe that we are unlikely to expect any financial security in the foreseeable future, that we're going to have to make what assets we have work for us; to be constantly creative. Maybe not a bad thing ultimately.Like you, I will do everything in my power to avoid what I have being expropriated by the government, but it would seem they could have most angles covered. We'll see. I've been working on applying various hedging strategies for a while, trying to refine them. But of course each of us has their own ideas of how to weigh various factors. Gold would be a small part; I think I read you were looking at around 12% or so  I'm waiting for the low (as with Bitcoin; to add to what I have). It's currently free of CGT here; but for how long if its value rises significantly? Timing seems crucial. And I'm prepared too that it is likely be a complete waste of time holding it.I'm still to be convinced that relatively non-techies (as you and I appear to be compared to most on here) would be easily able to access any emerging anonymous internet in order to access crypto-currencies, especially if living away from population centres. We're around 10 miles from the nearest town on the edge of a small community, with unpredictable broadband and virtually non-existent mobile/cell signal.We could perhaps do with some kind of knowledge-base presented in a straightforward style (somewhat like the Surviving in Argentina http://ferfal.blogspot.co.uk/ ) that explains various technology / communications options together with their relative merits and costs.I agree with you that the sleepy places can't count on remaining unharmed. There seems a wide spectrum of possibilities ahead of us, ranging from a protracted Japanese-style stagnation with added austerity... to the unthinkable.I'm intrigued at the seemingly imminent results of TPTB's fruits of my long-winded, long gestation labor.

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Sr. MemberActivity: 420Merit: 255 Re: Economic Totalitarianism July 07, 2015, 12:01:47 AM #404 Quote from: THX 1138 on July 06, 2015, 07:45:29 PM I'm intrigued at the seemingly imminent results of TPTB's fruits of my long-winded, long gestation labor.



One difference from my talking about past efforts (2014) is I now have help from probably at least 2 - 3 devs who are as or smarter than me. It appears to be the key to pushing from "ideas" to reality, assuming it doesn't blow up between now and reality. Too many cooks can spoil the pot, especially given the



Another key is being able to remove myself from the sole proprietorship on governance without turning governance into a political morass of "do nothing except waste funds" or turning governance control over to people who don't understand the tech. And a plan to phase out (deprecate) governance and replace with a truly auto-pilot decentralization. One difference from my talking about past efforts (2014) is I now have help from probably at least 2 - 3 devs who are as or smarter than me. It appears to be the key to pushing from "ideas" to reality, assuming it doesn't blow up between now and reality. Too many cooks can spoil the pot, especially given the Mythical Man Month . But too few cooks can be a paucity of stew.Another key is being able to remove myself from the sole proprietorship on governance without turning governance into a political morass of "do nothing except waste funds" or turning governance control over to people who don't understand the tech. And a plan to phase out (deprecate) governance and replace with a truly auto-pilot decentralization. UnunoctiumTesticles, iamback, contagion, formerly AnonyMint TheFascistMind , etc

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LegendaryActivity: 1932Merit: 1102 Re: Economic Totalitarianism July 08, 2015, 10:19:44 PM #412 ...



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Foreign investment..., a great concept to discuss here. Yes, to be an effective competitor (a company) worldwide, they have to have some kind of foreign presence in at least several countries / major markets.



I do not know what country you are from, but in the case of the USA, to increase foreign investment here our country would need to offer incentives (low taxes as an example) and the nearly forgotten concept of "regulatory certainty".



"Regulatory UNcertainty" means that a potential foreign investor would have low confidence in the country they might invest in. The country is perceived as ready to change the rules at any time (Latin America often does this). That scares off money...



Low taxes. Regulatory certainty. And some other policies by the host country, and investor perceptions of that country keeping its word, are critical.

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Of course there have to be Treaties between countries, and of course there

have to be negotiations to get the Treaties, and it follows that there needs to

be a means of settling disputes. When you find that the Treaty places

global entities above national interests, justice is not served. And, IMHO

war may become the favoured method of settling disputes.



Greece now has a chance to not only get out of the EuroZone, but also out

of the EU. There would be a certain irony if the TTIP forced the UK out of the

EU given the totalitarian drift of the current government.



More here:

http://wolfstreet.com/2015/07/08/whatever-it-takes-to-pass-the-secretive-us-eu-trade-pact/

"Last year, the Commission, seized by a rare and inexplicable fit of public accountability, launched a public consultation on the issue. However, when 97% of the 150,000 respondents expressed intense opposition to the inclusion of ISDS, the Commission reverted to type, making clear that it would not drop the controversial provisions from the negotiations."



RUN ...... AWAY ......



"After months of wrangling and horse trading, the European Parliament finally passed a resolution on the secretly negotiated EU-US trade deal, the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). The reason it had taken so long was that the President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, decided at the last minute and in time-honored fashion to postpone the original vote, scheduled for June 10, when it became apparent that a majority of MEPs might actually reject the bill (read: Democracy on Hold: President of European Parliament Suspends Vote on Secretive U.S.-EU Trade Pact as Tide Turns Against It)."

Regulatory Certainty .... like the TTIP?Of course there have to be Treaties between countries, and of course therehave to be negotiations to get the Treaties, and it follows that there needs tobe a means of settling disputes. When you find that the Treaty placesglobal entities above national interests, justice is not served. And, IMHOwar may become the favoured method of settling disputes.Greece now has a chance to not only get out of the EuroZone, but also outof the EU. There would be a certain irony if the TTIP forced the UK out of theEU given the totalitarian drift of the current government.More here:"Last year, the Commission, seized by a rare and inexplicable fit of public accountability, launched a public consultation on the issue. However, when 97% of the 150,000 respondents expressed intense opposition to the inclusion of ISDS, the Commission reverted to type, making clear that it would not drop the controversial provisions from the negotiations."RUN ...... AWAY ......"After months of wrangling and horse trading, the European Parliament finally passed a resolution on the secretly negotiated EU-US trade deal, the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). The reason it had taken so long was that the President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, decided at the last minute and in time-honored fashion to postpone the original vote, scheduled for June 10, when it became apparent that a majority of MEPs might actually reject the bill (read: Democracy on Hold: President of European Parliament Suspends Vote on Secretive U.S.-EU Trade Pact as Tide Turns Against It)."

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You will get no argument from me about Regulatory (Unc)(C)ertainty in the USA... Our Overlords make it harder for small business (the engine of job growth and innovation) to start up and even continue operating. I am going to guess that it is probably at least this bad in Europe as well.



These secret international trade treaties, almost by definition, introduce further uncertainty! Else, why not let us look at them? THEY won't let us look at them because THEY have something to hide.



Goin' Galt in 3....2....1..

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I2P (which is relied on by Monero to insure your anonymity) has updated



https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/other-networks



Quote Mixminion and Mixmaster are networks to support anonymous email against a very powerful adversary. High-latency messaging applications running on top of I2P (for example Syndie or I2PBote) may perhaps prove adequate to meet the threat model of those adversaries, while running in parallel along side the needs of low latency users, to provide a significantly larger anonymity set. High-latency support within the I2P router itself may or may not be added in a distant future release. It is too early to say if I2P will meet the needs of users requiring extreme protection for email.

What they are really saying at the above quote is that the underlying I2P network is low-latency hogwash that can't protect against a high-latency adversary and that if someone builds a high-latency system (whether they run it on I2P or not is irrelevant), then you may be protected. Well duh! I2P isn't high-latency mixing and doesn't protect you. I doubt I2PBote does either. I am studying I2PBote and once again the design is not fully documented. I2PBote appears to store messages in a DHT and uses optionally high-latency relaying to provide the anonymity, but absolutely no details are given and the relaying may not even be sufficiently implemented or utilized (too small of mix set) to be of any use.



I2P was designed by the folks who did P2P file sharing apps. They did not design I2P to be anonymous to powerful adversaries, rather they designed it to be a performant, low-level network layer for basic privacy.



Stay away! Don't trust I2P for that threat model!



Thus Monero is not yet anonymous against a high-powered adversary (such as the NSA) unless you use a connection to the internet that can not be correlated to you nor to any activity you do from that connection (e.g. Google's cookie in your browser, logging into any website, etc). This is because if an identity is attached to a sent transaction (via the lack of IP address obfuscation), then it is known that identity is associated with the sender of that transaction, regardless of the ring signature mixing on chain.



Most users have no clue what they are doing and will not likely be anonymous against a high-powered adversary in Monero even if they think they are using an unregistered connection to the internet. And if widely the case, then this can cascade into reduced anonymity sets for everyone thus even destroying the anonymity for those who were careful enough.



You see this shit is very complex and it can't be done with such nonchalant attitude. It requires serious technical documentation and analysis.



I am not angry at any one per se; we are running out time and we should be working together to solve the problem instead of playing marketing battles here. We need to stop attacking each other. I am not attacking Monero. I am just stating technical facts.



You know they added I2P because I mentioned last year in a forum there where smooth et al were present or lurking that IP address wasn't obfuscated. I think fluffypony picked up on my criticism and pushed for adding it, but I am not really sure who did. Ever since then, I've been telling smooth that I2P is not sufficient against a high-powered adversary. It is one year hence and we still haven't solved the problem.



As AnonyMint I was the guy in the Anoncoin thread in 2013 (as kLee can attest) making the point their I2P integration lacked high-latency protection against timing attacks. Now 2 years later we are still in the same predicament.



Look I am just one guy. You can't expect me to do the work that requires dozens and dozens of highly skilled programmers working for years. I can only do so much. I am working 100+ hours a week and doing my best. I will try to fix all this shit but I won't be able to do it alone.



P.S. what got me off on this tangent was searching for a better alternative to Bitmessage, but unfortunately I think maybe there is none when obfuscating the link between sender and recipient. In terms of encrypting messages so only sender and recipient can read (and not concerned about linking the identities of sender and recipient), then I2PBote looks better than Bitmessage because it has a 512-bit ECC encryption option (thus maybe providing a few more years of historical protection, perhaps even against early, less powerful quantum computers that may come) and better usability features.



To demonstrate how naive users are, I had asked a programmer for his Bitmessage address and he told me bitmsg.me! Cross that guy off the list for potential employment. He doesn't even understand how using a website would eliminate the entire point of using Bitmessage in the first place (unless of course that website is using client-side Javascript encryption and receiving all network messages from the server and attempting to decrypt them client-side and not relying on the server hosting bitmsg.me to do that instead, which may be the case but I doubt it).



Edit: I am reading I2P's technical documentation. They are talking about maybe implementing some high-latency delays for version 3.0 (they aren't even at version 1 yet since starting in 2003), and worse is they plan to let the sender set the delays at each hop of the garlic layer! I guess they don't realize that this will allow a high-powered, omniscient attacker to flood inbound tunnels with specifically timed delays so they can unmask the tunnel! These I2P devs should not be trusted about anonymity. Someone please post a link to this post over in the Monero thread so they can come over here to address it. I don't want to shit on their thread. I am not criticizing Monero per se. I am technically criticizing I2P when deployed against a high-powered adversary such as the NSA. I am disappointed in whom ever made this decision for marketing reasons (apparently) without sufficient engineering investigation.I2P (which is relied on by Monero to insure your anonymity) has updated their detailed summary of potential attacks. That looks really bad (as I had expected). I wouldn't trust for that for obfuscating who sent a message to whom in the face of a powerful adversary and neither do they:What they are really saying at the above quote is that the underlying I2P network is low-latency hogwash that can't protect against a high-latency adversary and that if someone builds a high-latency system (whether they run it on I2P or not is irrelevant), then you may be protected. Well duh! I2P isn't high-latency mixing and doesn't protect you. I doubt I2PBote does either. I am studying I2PBote and once again the design is not fully documented. I2PBote appears to store messages in a DHT and uses optionally high-latency relaying to provide the anonymity, but absolutely no details are given and the relaying may not even be sufficiently implemented or utilized (too small of mix set) to be of any use.I2P was designed by the folks who did P2P file sharing apps. They did not design I2P to be anonymous to powerful adversaries, rather they designed it to be a performant, low-level network layer for basic privacy.Stay away! Don't trust I2P for that threat model!Thus Monero is not yet anonymous against a high-powered adversary (such as the NSA) unless you use a connection to the internet that can not be correlated to you nor to any activity you do from that connection (e.g. Google's cookie in your browser, logging into any website, etc). This is because if an identity is attached to a sent transaction (via the lack of IP address obfuscation), then it is known that identity is associated with the sender of that transaction, regardless of the ring signature mixing on chain.Most users have no clue what they are doing and will not likely be anonymous against a high-powered adversary in Monero even if they think they are using an unregistered connection to the internet. And if widely the case, then this can cascade into reduced anonymity sets for everyone thus even destroying the anonymity for those who were careful enough.You see this shit is very complex and it can't be done with such nonchalant attitude. It requires serious technical documentation and analysis.I am not angry at any one per se; we are running out time and we should be working together to solve the problem instead of playing marketing battles here. We need to stop attacking each other. I am not attacking Monero. I am just stating technical facts.You know they added I2P because I mentioned last year in a forum there where smooth et al were present or lurking that IP address wasn't obfuscated. I think fluffypony picked up on my criticism and pushed for adding it, but I am not really sure who did. Ever since then, I've been telling smooth that I2P is not sufficient against a high-powered adversary. It is one year hence and we still haven't solved the problem.As AnonyMint I was the guy in the Anoncoin thread in 2013 (as kLee can attest) making the point their I2P integration lacked high-latency protection against timing attacks. Now 2 years later we are still in the same predicament.Look I am just one guy. You can't expect me to do the work that requires dozens and dozens of highly skilled programmers working for years. I can only do so much. I am working 100+ hours a week and doing my best. I will try to fix all this shit but I won't be able to do it alone.P.S. what got me off on this tangent was searching for a better alternative to Bitmessage, but unfortunately I think maybe there is none when obfuscating the link between sender and recipient. In terms of encrypting messages so only sender and recipient can read (and not concerned about linking the identities of sender and recipient), then I2PBote looks better than Bitmessage because(thus maybe providing a few more years of historical protection, perhaps even against early, less powerful quantum computers that may come) and better usability features.To demonstrate how naive users are, I had asked a programmer for his Bitmessage address and he told me bitmsg.me! Cross that guy off the list for potential employment. He doesn't even understand how using a website would eliminate the entire point of using Bitmessage in the first place (unless of course that website is using client-side Javascript encryption and receiving all network messages from the server and attempting to decrypt them client-side and not relying on the server hosting bitmsg.me to do that instead, which may be the case but I doubt it).Edit: I am reading I2P's technical documentation. They are talking about maybe implementing some high-latency delays for version 3.0 (they aren't even at version 1 yet since starting in 2003), and worse is they plan to let the sender set the delays at each hop of the garlic layer! I guess they don't realize that this will allow a high-powered, omniscient attacker to flood inbound tunnels with specifically timed delays so they can unmask the tunnel! These I2P devs should not be trusted about anonymity. UnunoctiumTesticles, iamback, contagion, formerly AnonyMint TheFascistMind , etc

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15 years ago I was able to use all kinds of fun and interesting software that was either FREE or cheap. And easy-to-use (important to those of us who are not tekkies).



One program was Zimmerman's PGP. It was free and easy to use. But, none of my friends (none of my friends are programmers or otherwise tech-savvy) so I was never able to USE PGP.



I took a quick look around via Google to see if there was free & easy-to-use encryption software for email, but was not able to find any obvious candidates.



You guys have any suggestions re email encryption software? Especially easy-to-use...



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I also miss the cheap (or free) AND easy-to-use data analysis programs (SPSS: now $2000 or so, and an "OLAP" program to analyze database data that cost me just $100, now it would cost MUCH MORE).



Also, I bought Microsoft's SQL Server 2000 (w/ another OLAP program included in it) for just $100 or so back then. SQL Server 2000 will not work on modern Windows versions...



Frustrating that the software in 2000 was better, cheaper and more available than in 2015!

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15 years ago I was able to use all kinds of fun and interesting software that was either FREE or cheap. And easy-to-use (important to those of us who are not tekkies).



One program was Zimmerman's PGP. It was free and easy to use. But, none of my friends (none of my friends are programmers or otherwise tech-savvy) so I was never able to USE PGP.



I took a quick look around via Google to see if there was free & easy-to-use encryption software for email, but was not able to find any obvious candidates.



You guys have any suggestions re email encryption software? Especially easy-to-use...



I2P's Bote is better than PGP because it encrypts the headers too, except for the destination address. But all your recipients need to be using I2P-Bote too.



Realize that any email encryption won't hide whom is writing to whom. It only hides with encryption the content in the email. But this is no good! If the officials can prove whom you were communicating with, they can try to attack your machine with back doors and spyware, or that fails they could potentially rubberhose you to force you to reveal what was communicated.



Bitmessage encrypts everything and sends every encrypted message to every recipient in your stream. Thus in theory it can't be proven whom is talking to whom. But Bitmessage has unaudited code and security model, as well it is often subject to spam which may to cause real traffic to move to more streams, thus diluting the anonymity sets. Also Bitmessage is very poorly programmed, has lots of usability quirks, and often doesn't work on some user's connection.



Someone really needs to make something better.



As for encrypting standard email the easiest way, Google can help you with that, such as PGP plugins for open source email clients. Your recipients will need to use PGP too and I believe there are easier plugins now. It is still a pita though. As I said, someone needs to fix the internet! I am working on it! But I am only one person (or perhaps a small team of devs).





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I also miss the cheap (or free) AND easy-to-use data analysis programs (SPSS: now $2000 or so, and an "OLAP" program to analyze database data that cost me just $100, now it would cost MUCH MORE).



Also, I bought Microsoft's SQL Server 2000 (w/ another OLAP program included in it) for just $100 or so back then. SQL Server 2000 will not work on modern Windows versions...



Frustrating that the software in 2000 was better, cheaper and more available than in 2015!



Install Linux, such as Mint Linux is very easy. Abundant software often for free.



Ditch Windows. That is your problem. I2P's Bote is better than PGP because it encrypts the headers too, except for the destination address. But all your recipients need to be using I2P-Bote too.Realize that any email encryption won't hide whom is writing to whom. It only hides with encryption the content in the email. But this is no good! If the officials can prove whom you were communicating with, they can try to attack your machine with back doors and spyware, or that fails they could potentially rubberhose you to force you to reveal what was communicated.Bitmessage encrypts everything and sends every encrypted message to every recipient in your stream. Thus in theory it can't be proven whom is talking to whom. But Bitmessage has unaudited code and security model, as well it is often subject to spam which may to cause real traffic to move to more streams, thus diluting the anonymity sets. Also Bitmessage is very poorly programmed, has lots of usability quirks, and often doesn't work on some user's connection.Someone really needs to make something better.As for encrypting standard email the easiest way, Google can help you with that, such as PGP plugins for open source email clients. Your recipients will need to use PGP too and I believe there are easier plugins now. It is still a pita though. As I said, someone needs to fix the internet! I am working on it! But I am only one person (or perhaps a small team of devs).Install Linux, such as Mint Linux is very easy. Abundant software often for free.Ditch Windows. That is your problem. UnunoctiumTesticles, iamback, contagion, formerly AnonyMint TheFascistMind , etc