TVECA problem Aggiorna questa pagina Codice ticket: G7Q-HG7-8GJG (Numero ticket: 31563) Stato del ticket: Risolto [Apri ticket] Creato il: 20-Jan-2014 6:05pm Aggiornato: 22-Jul-2018 7:52pm Ultimo a rispondere: Gluggles . Categoria: Generale/General enquiries Risposte: 31

Data: 15-Feb-2014 4:57pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: This is very disappointing. I will not order from Flavorart again. I will not recommend to others. Data: 29-Jan-2014 7:20pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: i would appriciate a respond from Flavour Art here... Data: 28-Jan-2014 8:33pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: You have chosen poorly Flavour Art Data: 22-Jan-2014 8:09am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Flavourart is not off the chart. Doesn't exist in my book. Good luck! Data: 22-Jan-2014 6:34am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Et tu Brute?

No No NO

Enough is enough

Ciao tutti Data: 22-Jan-2014 5:03am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: I will not be buying anything produced by Flavour Art. Data: 22-Jan-2014 4:45am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: We're going to be naturally very angry about returning to smoking after all the hard work to quit. We've just been handed a death sentence. Data: 22-Jan-2014 4:27am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: fuck u.. Data: 22-Jan-2014 12:16am Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: OOps, looks like you may have shot yourselves in the foot Flavour Art!!

I'm just getting in to Mixing my own, but I wont bother with Flavour Art Products! Data: 21-Jan-2014 11:34pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Goodbye from another customer Data: 21-Jan-2014 11:31pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: As above, I have been using FA flavours for my liquids until today, no more though - my flavour order has been switched to other brands that do not support TVECA.



Short sighted to stand behind an association whose ties with tobacco groups mean their agenda is against that of ecig users Data: 21-Jan-2014 10:38pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: i am in the process of setting up a business with its main core being specialised juices and also diy flavours, for the last 2 years the bulk of flavorings i have used in my recipes have been FA. No more, i would rather spend the next 3 to 6 month re-working all my juices so they do not contain a single drop of your product and will be shutting down any plans to stock your flavorings for DIY and will be advising my client base to stop using them too. your foolish support for short term profit or was it the famous brown envelopes/ back handers that won you over? how can any company connected with E-cigs be a member of CORESTA a tobacco industry association. you disgust me and plenty others. Data: 21-Jan-2014 10:04pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: No more flavourart for me ! Data: 21-Jan-2014 9:49pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: stupid to sign this letter. please read the 1560 pages of AIDUCE mag which resume all the studies and ENVI blog. EU is on a wrong way but a good one for bigtabaco. And you expect make more bissness ? is it a joke, I hope.



another lost customer. Data: 21-Jan-2014 9:39pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: I shall certainly also stay away from your products and also all cigalikes from the tobacco industry. We the vapers will not accept ecigs in the TPD at all as they are neither a medicine nor a tobacco product. Furthermore, we demand a long hearing of the scientific experts and consumer associations before any legislation is passed. Ecigs are the greatest invention ever for combatting smoking and hence promoting harm reduction. We will not accept legislation from amateur burocrats who have totally misunderstood what it is all about. The E.U. parliamentarians should be serving the people and not powerful industrial lobbies. Data: 21-Jan-2014 9:01pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: +1 to all that, the article protects large tobacco and the crappy repeat purchase cigalikes, not vapers.

Its voodoo science, poor policy and mammoth greed at the expense of lives Data: 21-Jan-2014 8:43pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Another lost customer. Data: 21-Jan-2014 8:41pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Agreed with the other replies above. You've lost a customer here, and I will not purchase anything from anyone doing business with Flavourart in any capacity. Data: 21-Jan-2014 8:07pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: I will not be using Flavour Art anymore for mixing my e-juice Data: 21-Jan-2014 7:21pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: I do not support companies that put vested interest so blatantly above customer concerns... nor those that seek to sit at a table with others to play power games.



At a time when vapers are completely united against restriction, regulation, and the e-cig contents of the TPD, you would be wiser to consult and heed your customers than play politics for profit.



I, for one, will shift my purchases elsewhere until and unless you change your policy and withdraw your support for TVECAs stated opinions. Data: 21-Jan-2014 7:16pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: No more flaverart for me Data: 21-Jan-2014 6:19pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Another customer who will no longer be buying your products Data: 21-Jan-2014 6:15pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Sadly I will no longer support Flavourart, although I think we all know you'll sell more of your products by backing Big Tobacco because undoubtedly you've received a back hander along with a promise from BT themselves. Data: 21-Jan-2014 5:39pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: As with other replies I have enjoyed using your products in the past nut now feel I can no longer use them and must turn to your competitors that have no affiliation with the letter submitted by TVECA.



These proposals will decimate the e cig industry and anybody who agrees with this is an enemy of vaping and should be treated accordingly.



You are siding with those who would give away freedoms in the hopes of levering some advantage in the marketplace, which is short sighted and laughably naive.

Since you have no concern for your customers, I can assure you your customers will quickly have no time for you either. Data: 21-Jan-2014 5:34pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Well... article 18 is the end of DIY (max 10ml contents for e-liquids AND bases). So we won't buy aromas any more. So we won't need Flavour Art anymore. Data: 21-Jan-2014 5:27pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Well supporting the TPD means not more dIY so you've lost your customers , supporting e-cigs in the TPD means you've lost yours customers The Vapers

So Sorry I enjoyed your products But ... I will give up,

regards Data: 21-Jan-2014 5:03pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: Seriously??



Why are you not supporting your customers?



if you do not want us (the customers) to buy your products - we will go to another supplier, that's no problem for us!



but we'll hope for suppurt in this very important fight! otherwise - you will have no customers - and your company will "die" .... :O Data: 21-Jan-2014 5:00pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: NO!!!!!!!!! Data: 21-Jan-2014 4:42pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: I'm not buying any more FlavourArts liquid if they support the banning of the devices I like to use them in. Data: 21-Jan-2014 4:22pm Nome: Gluggles . Stampa Messaggio: No more sales for you Data: 21-Jan-2014 11:24am Nome: Massimiliano Mancini Stampa Messaggio: Dear Matt





I have carefully read your e-mail concerning the letter sent on behalf of the E-Cigarettes Industry Coalition to the EP Negotiating Team, with [OUR ASSOCIATION] listed among the supporters. Please note that the E-Cigarettes Industry Coalition is by far the biggest and one of the few responsible European industry stakeholder on the TPD representing more than 80 % of the European market. I confirm Anafe and FA are member to the E-cigarettes Industry Coalition.







I assure you that the Coalition members thoroughly discussed the letter, its possible implications as well as alternative options both over the week-end and during a face-to-face meeting held on Monday afternoon, 20 December, in Brussels. Given all circumstances at stake, we decided to do what has been done. And we still believe this was the right way to go.







From the very beginning of the TPD negotiations TVECA, in parallel anafe and later E-Cigarettes Industry Coalition, has fought hard to ensure that e-cigarettes are regulated under the TPD as non-medicines. However, to get the necessary support, we actively advocated for strict yet balanced quality & safety requirements for these products which, despite being less harmful compared to conventional tobacco products, still might pose a risk to an average consumer if not used or manufactured properly. Furthermore, we wanted to have a regulatory framework as early as possible to undermine pro-pharma Member States’ progress in adopting their national legislations. We have never changed our strategy and we continue to be committed to our objectives.







For almost a year, the European e-cigarettes industry was trembling in the face of a seemingly inevitable medicinal ban. First with the Commission proposal in December 2012, then with the Council “General Approach” of June 2013, and eventually the ENVI position of 10 July, 2013 – all odds were against us. We were anticipating the inevitable to happen.







Yet in October 2013 the entire European Parliament (EP) voted against classifying e-cigarettes as medicines. From that moment onwards, the MEPs, and notably the EP Negotiating Team, became our allies and fought against medicines up until the final trilogue on 16th December. This trilogue put the first nail in the coffin of the Commission’s proposal. However, it is time to return credit to our friends in the EP, and notably from the biggest political groups (EPP and S&D) who have expressly asked our support ahead of the upcoming EP votes.







In contrast, the Council has never been on our side. On the contrary, with the exception of several friendly Member States, the institution on the whole, headed by the pro-Commission Lithuanian Presidency, was our worst enemy. I am afraid we also see no prospects for having even a slim majority in support of anything that would closely resemble to the December 2013 deal. The Council letter of 18 December sent to the Chair of the ENVI Committee right after the last trilogue of 16 December was clear about that (http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/envi/dv/envi20140122_tobacco_letter_/envi20140122_tobacco_letter_en.pdf). The agreement is fragile.







The European industry faces two options at this stage: (1) either the EP Plenary accepts the text as a whole and the Council adopts the EP text following its 18 December commitment OR (2) an amendments adopted by the EP Plenary would undermine the deal and force the Council to adopt its 1st reading position (Common Position, read = “General Approach”) which will be the basis for the 2nd reading. That means that the progress that we have made so far will be wasted. And the 2nd reading would start with:







· The Council and the Commission having the upper hand again;



· Delay in the process and Member States using it to push for the medicines nationally;



· Unclear chances of success.



· Our friends in the European Parliament feeling betrayed and unwilling to cooperate with us anymore.







I am afraid this is a gamble. As a responsible industry, we could not accept taking this path.







I recognize the concerns of the vaping and scientific community. I fully agree that the proposal is not perfect. Yet the European decision-making is based on compromises, on the possibility of finding the right balance between what is just but feasible, fair but non-discriminatory, workable but not disproportionate. The text as it stands is the best compromise we have seen since December 2012. It would be unreasonable and even dangerous to destroy something we could not even dream of a year ago.







I therefore invite to support our objectives to have a 1st-reading agreement and start getting prepared for the implementation phase when the provisions we do not like could be rectified.







I remain at your disposal for any further questions you may have.



Cordiali saluti/Best regards,



Massimiliano

Vàluta come non utile Data: 20-Jan-2014 6:05pm Nome: Gluggles . Email: shop@gluggles.co.uk Stampa Messaggio: Dear FlavoutArt.



I am contacting you to express my concern about the statement made by

TVECA in support of the proposed EU legislation.



http://www.clivebates.com/?p=1872 [1]



I am a big supporter of FlavourArt and regularly purchase your liquid

via John in the UK.



Please can you have a look at the TVECA statement, which in my view is

totally unacceptable, and consider if you will quit your membership of

TVECA ? or clarify your position ?



Best wishes



Matt Gluggles.





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