READER COMMENTS ON

"EXCLUSIVE: FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds Will Now Tell All - and Face Charges if Necessary - to Any Major Television Network That Will Let Her"

(174 Responses so far...)





COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:05 am PT...





That's cool, but watch you backside Sibel.

I'd sure like to hear something about the American Turkish Inst.

I think it's a front for illegal arms and dual(?) use weapons parts sales myself.

Expose the treasoners...yeah

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... lukery said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:28 am PT...





great work brad

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Soul Rebel said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:30 am PT...





What the hell is Waxman's problem on this? I thought he was one of the good guys.

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Xavier Ninnis said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:58 am PT...





Sad really, this good woman is going end up getting herself killed, or at the very least, having her life destroyed, because she's naive enough to believe that this piece of shit country is still salvageable.

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/29/2007 @ 7:24 am PT...





Biggest story out there right now! Watch out for GOP bagmen, Sibel!

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/29/2007 @ 7:26 am PT...





What did we say, when Hastert just resigned? We said, "Sibel is probably ready to speak!" Right?

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Kay Arr said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:00 am PT...





Hasn't she heard of youtube? The major networks are great but something like this would spread like wild fire around the globe. What's better than a personal recommendation from your friend "watch this". This story needs to come out before something happens to her.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:06 am PT...





I wonder if the Nazi media smear machine started revving up their engines? Or is this to huge for even them to touch?

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... temporary said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:16 am PT...





Bill Moyers would be a good choice, none of those listed above would give her an interview without editing "offending" parts.

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Dan said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:27 am PT...





Olberman? The McClatchey papers? I concur, Sibel, your life is at risk.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... profmarcus said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:33 am PT...





you and luke have done yeoman's work to get this to happen, something that should have happened yesterday... better late than never... i trust sibel is sequestered someplace safe, altho' i'm sure if the bastards put out a hit, somebody could get to her... i trust extreme care is being taken with insuring those around her are really "friends," unlike what happened with ed and elaine brown... http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... aquarius2 said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:54 am PT...





Well so much for "liberal" media. Apparently,no one is "interested" in truth anymore.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... lukery said on 10/29/2007 @ 9:06 am PT...





thnx prof - actually this one is all Brad's. (dammit!)

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Linda said on 10/29/2007 @ 9:53 am PT...





Our leaders are more interested in protecting their reputations, than they are in protecting our national security.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... theBhc said on 10/29/2007 @ 9:56 am PT...





This is indeed huge. But it will be extremely surprising if she can get any network to pick it up. That, as they say, is where the plot will thicken.

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:11 am PT...





How about Dan Rather's new show? He's following e-vote machines.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... bilbo said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:11 am PT...





none of those tv networks will listen to her. the networks are in bed with / controlled by the govt.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... Soul Rebel said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:45 am PT...





What about Kucinich? He's the only presidential candidate I have any real faith in. What would sponsoring this do to his campaign - a solid booster I think.

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Colleen said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:53 am PT...





Please join me in making phone calls, as well as sending emails and letters (with the link/information from Brad's story) to PBS stations around the country. Here is info for Bill Moyers: moyersonpbs@thirteen.org

Mailing address:

Mr. Bill Moyers, Public Affairs TV

450 W. 33rd St. New York, NY 10001 The LEAST we can do is flood their offices with requests that they pick up this story and interview this very brave woman RIGHT NOW! I will be sending this story to my friends and fellow activists around the country, asking them to contact their PBS stations as well. I hope you will join me in getting this story OUT IN THE OPEN. It is OBVIOUS we CANNOT depend on the corporation-owned networks to allow her to tell the truth. Perhaps PBS or the BBC will have the guts. Thanks.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Maturin42 said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:56 am PT...





Sibel should escrow videos of her testimony against the possibility that a black bag job on her is in the works. She could then post a statement that she has done it and it is in the hands of multiple people who are pledged to releasing it if anything happens to her. MSM is not going to do anything.

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... jc said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:06 am PT...





I hope she has it all in writing and a copy in the hands of her attorney.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... bob said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:14 am PT...





Please get on Bill Moyers or youtube or even Olbermann or Stuart!

last commentor was spot on. escrow many tapes, please! what's so wrong with truth and sunshine laws? peace

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... mrethiopian said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:15 am PT...





I wonder how she is going to kill her self, that’s bushes std wet ops solution in cases like this.

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... kenneth arcieri said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:16 am PT...





Call Amy Goodman on Democracy Now she will air the interview they have balls.

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... Soul Rebel said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:17 am PT...





Colleen, The way PBS is run right now, they won't touch this. PBS is essentially worthless since Bush took office. Same with NPR. If you want to see a video on how bad the MSM is, I encourage you to watch Norman Solomon's "War Made Easy". I videotaped Solomon a couple of days ago here in ABQ, giving a speech/talk on the media - I will post it on my website/YouTube in the next day or two, hopefully tonight.

www.Call4Democracy.org

COMMENT #26 [Permalink]

... Joe said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:23 am PT...





Awesome, Brad.

Dear Ms. Edmonds:

Why a media outlet? Why not blogs, starting with this one?

COMMENT #27 [Permalink]

... MikeyCan said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:25 am PT...





In the age of the universal INTERNET, why do we have to wait to have a television network run by a bunch of stockholders or a billionaire (who have to appease friends in business and government) to pick up this story???? One way to theoretically go about this, in the age of the internet, is simple:

(1) Do the full-length uncensored interview (Brad?)

(2) Link it up to *EVERYTHING*!!! "Youtube", "Bittorrent", "Bradblog", "CrooksAndLiars", "Media Matters", .... EVERYTHING. (3) Post links everywhere, forward links to everyone

(4) As in the past where such big stories have had to wait until they were leaked on the internet, the MSM will not be able to ignore it, lest they conceded that the age of the MSM is DEAD, and that nobody has any business tuning in to the MSM unless they want to see a story about Michael Jackson or Anna Nicole Smith. When the MSM refuses to touch this story in the way Edmond has offered, is there any reason this is not a viable way forward?

COMMENT #28 [Permalink]

... czaragorn said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:31 am PT...





What about Air America Radio? I can't imagine Thom Hartmann backing away from this one, but if he did I'd like to know about it so I could ignore him for the rest of time...

COMMENT #29 [Permalink]

... true said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:42 am PT...





She either goes public or we initiate WWIII and thus expect the same fate as the initiators of WWII. We will not go quietly into the night any longer. Screw IGI, Larry Potts, Dusty Foggo, and the rest of the Clinton/Bush regime. We are just sick of it already. The FEMA fake spokesman gets promoted, Cheney is preparing for attacks. How can she not speak? Sibel is a part of a group of whistleblowers that are well aware of the Rockefeller/Rothschild assassination methods. And what is the choice, if she does not talk (as others have found), martial law will occur. Stop looking left, stop looking right. The truth is right in front of us.

COMMENT #30 [Permalink]

... Simon said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:59 am PT...





I'm having trouble understanding why, if Leahy has determined that she and her testimony credible, he doesn't bring her in as a witness to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Live coverage on a network - C-SPAN - would ensue virtually as a matter of course. As I read the story, she's previously been unable to interest Congress in her testimony (at least in an on-the-record setting), but that was the 109th Congress when Specter was running the Judiciary Committee, which is now a moot point. It all seems rather "black helicopters brigade," these hushed whispers of treason and cover ups; sure, let's get her allegations into the open and discuss them like grown ups (sunlight, as Justice Brandeis maintained, being the best disinfectant), but let's not forget that they're allegations.

COMMENT #31 [Permalink]

... Teaeopy said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:59 am PT...





Can't Ms. Edmonds set up a web site and publish all she has to say? Even if the site were to be taken down quickly, there would be screen captures, and the information would be accessible somewhere.

COMMENT #32 [Permalink]

... Savantster said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:04 pm PT...





The biggest problem with getting this out through 'traditional' means is that they can pull the plug (literally) at the station if they get word of this. This is a "national security" issue, according to the Government. They will prosecute -anyone- caught helping her, and may well actually start killing people in the streets if what she has to say is juicy enough. I'm thinking the only way to get this kind of thing out is as recommended by MikeyCan.. Get it up on youtube as well as ANY place you can plop it. Burn it out on disks and eBay them for $1 each (with $2.50 s/h?).. get the torrent sites on it (though, it seems a lot of those have shut down access to U.S. IPs.. hmm). Get this info to as many computers in the U.S. as you possibly can (even email links to every email addy you can find, hire some spammers for lists if you have to). No MSM outlet will touch this, it's too much of a threat to the lives of the people working there. That's what America has become, it seems.. We have Free Speech just so long as it's not something that sheds light into the dark recesses of a corrupt government. People looking to get information to the public about our government must worry about losing their lives..? That's not the America I was taught about in school, that's for sure.

COMMENT #33 [Permalink]

... totu said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:24 pm PT...





as long as they got the power, who will care what sibel says?

COMMENT #34 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:24 pm PT...





Just take up writing books about space aliens taking over the FBI. It's called "life insurance".

COMMENT #35 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:36 pm PT...





Doesn't she still claim to believe in the "nineteen hijackers" bullshit? Obviously she purports to know a few things that the official myth of 9/11 doesn't admit to, but last I heard she still gives lip service to there being nineteen hijackers with boxcutters. Unless she's changed, this smells like a limited hangout, down the "Saudis did it" rabbit hole. I'd be wary of Sibel Edmonds.

COMMENT #36 [Permalink]

... Paul said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:38 pm PT...





This gives the networks a chance to show they are not controlled by manipulative forces & justice & honesty can still be alive in America. Will any major networks answer this call? Good Bless Sibel Edmonds & any man or women that has enough courage to speak the truth.

COMMENT #37 [Permalink]

... MikeE said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:38 pm PT...





She had better watch her back odds are she'll be Wellstoned soon by Cheney's cabal. Probably within the next few weeks. They'll take her out before she can disseminate the data. As always, the Republican rules of engagement will prevail: why play fair when you can tilt the playing field?

COMMENT #38 [Permalink]

... meohmy said on 10/29/2007 @ 12:41 pm PT...





Flash--When the Democrats won the elections and Nancy immediately took Impeachment 'off the table', she lost my ear and confidence.

Prior to winning the Dems were all riled up..holding hearings in basements(Downing Street Memo), but calmed down after winning.

They love their jobs, positions and perks more than they love our country.

I would rather they impeach during 'Wartime'(even though they issued no declaration(pre-emptive strike it was) and stop FURTHER destruction by this administration.

I very much admire Ms Edmonds. ALERT--I hope she realizes also, that this administration is not going to give up powers and control it has 'TAKEN' and just hand it over to someone else. Otherwise it would be a waste of their manipulation, lying and abuse of their office duties.

COMMENT #39 [Permalink]

... Nunyabiz said on 10/29/2007 @ 1:10 pm PT...





Technically none of us have much of a clue what she might come out and say.

Whatever it is it cant be too flattering to the Neofascist Cabal that has stolen control of this government but if as "Lev" stated she is still touting what most of us know is bullshit then it may not be all that earthshaking. Lets hope that's not true and this is what is needed to get the ball rolling to put all these bastards in prison.

I also agree with most here and Sibel herself that the MSM is going to do everything it can to kill this story ASAP.

There will be only one MSM outlet that will even discuss this and that of course will be Faux Noise and it will be a hit piece attacking her character so they can ignore the message.

COMMENT #40 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/29/2007 @ 1:21 pm PT...





Nah, she doesn't have anything to worry about from the Cheney regime and I will show you why. Read what she wrote in November of last year: http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm She goes on and on about "Al Qaeda", drug trafficking, "Al Qaeda" seeking weapons of mass destruction, the "Saudi" angle, etc. Everything she says seems designed to reinforce the phony "nineteen hijackers" story, simply adding to it and fleshing it out more like the regime wants her to do. Just more limited hangout bullshit. That's why she has nothing to fear from the regime, because she's working for them as part of the cover-up. Why has she been gagged so many times? Easy. Because that increases her fake "credibility" with people who haven't made the effort to take a long look at 9/11's details, people who haven't figured out that the "nineteen hijackers" crap couldn't be more far-fetched if it included something about a giant woodsman and his pet blue ox. It makes people say "Ooooh she must have some REALLY major dirt on the administration/F.B.I./etc. regarding 9/11 if they're gagging her so much". Then, when the regime needs to do its limited hangout, she gets un-gagged (or allowed to violate her gag order, one or the other) and then whatever she says will be believed. Her job will probably be to point the finger at a handful of small-fry scapegoats to take the blame and allow the real perpetrators to get away scot free. Then they can say "OK, your instincts were right America.. There HAS been a cover-up surrounding 9/11... It was a cover-up of our incompetence in making so many embarrassing mistakes yadda yadda yadda" and that's that. Her job will be to help solidify the limited hangout. For someone who apparantly has spent quite a lot of time looking into 9/11, and for someone who appears to be a smart woman, no dummy, then she has no excuse for not using common sense and realizing that the Twin Towers were obvious controlled demolitions which couldn't have been done by "Al Qaeda", the U.S. Air Force wasn't stood down by "Al Qaeda" because they aren't in control of the Air Force, and many other things that all make it plain that 9/11 had to have been an American intel. community black op, a false flag operation, an inside job, most certainly not the work of "nineteen guys with boxcutters". Since she obviously is not a dummy and appears to have researched 9/11, yet still sticks by the provably impossible, far-fetched myth of the "nineteen hijackers", she appears almost certainly to be part of the cover-up.

COMMENT #41 [Permalink]

... James said on 10/29/2007 @ 1:34 pm PT...





Could you not have waited until the interview was taped to post this article? Every rightwing nut will be after her now. I hope someone is watching out for her. You Go Girl. She is the only true American I've seen in the last 6 years. PLEASE, PLEASE, be careful Sibel. This country needs you more than ever.

COMMENT #42 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/29/2007 @ 1:41 pm PT...





James, read what I posted in # 40. She doesn't have a thing to worry about.

COMMENT #43 [Permalink]

... oneguy said on 10/29/2007 @ 1:41 pm PT...





lev, Whats your problem? Stop thinking outside the box and making general accusations based on real facts. Stop trying to see through the three card montey scam. Here look at the Monkey!!!

How bout those Rockies?

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]

... Joke said on 10/29/2007 @ 2:24 pm PT...





alert("hi")

COMMENT #45 [Permalink]

... Valley Girl said on 10/29/2007 @ 2:27 pm PT...





Yo Brad! Go Brad!

COMMENT #46 [Permalink]

... Bob said on 10/29/2007 @ 2:51 pm PT...





Bullshit -

Are her lips stuck ?

She sat by while 1.2 million people were murdered in cold blood. So now she says she knows something ?

Bullshit - She's been covering George Bush for five years.She won't talk. She should've but didn't and she still hasn't.The only good baby is a dead baby, right Sibel ? She's just talking about talking. Who cares what she has to say.

COMMENT #47 [Permalink]

... molly said on 10/29/2007 @ 2:59 pm PT...





Maybe Sibel is for real and has something to do with all the repubs. retiring. Dennis Hastert even before his time is up. Makes me think we are in for some surprises. Kay Bailey Hutchinson is quitting and downright contrite. Maybe it is Sibel...maybe Cunningham but beans are spilling.

COMMENT #48 [Permalink]

... rex said on 10/29/2007 @ 3:11 pm PT...





It will be interesting if any of the C.F.R controlled news puppets will even attempt to have some integrity and let her on.

COMMENT #49 [Permalink]

... Tom S. said on 10/29/2007 @ 3:15 pm PT...





What the hell is Waxman's problem on this? I thought he was one of the good guys. SR: I think it may have to do with the amount of cross-party corruption there is in this case. Waxman has been blessed by a surplus of strictly-Republican corruption to investigate. If somebody could enlighten me otherwise, I'd be happy to listen. For now I just assume this is the way it is.

COMMENT #50 [Permalink]

... Kathleen said on 10/29/2007 @ 4:47 pm PT...





We have been waiting for you Sibel. Sounds like you have done everything possible to go through the right channels. Now the truth trumps! We are right behind you.

COMMENT #51 [Permalink]

... Kal said on 10/29/2007 @ 4:52 pm PT...





Do you really think the mainstream, corporate media will do anything with such a story? They will not rock the boat any more than the Dems in Congress. Why not just leverage the power of the web? Do a videotape interview, put it on YouTube and every other major website that can take video? Just to get the ball rolling and the story out there. I can show you lots of YouTube videos that have had more viewers than a Sunday night 60 Minutes episode. Give the world the scoop; 60 Minutes can be second on this one.

COMMENT #52 [Permalink]

... Sandra said on 10/29/2007 @ 5:28 pm PT...





Quite a few whistleblowers have come public with their knowledge at risk of prosecution. The fact that she feels the need to announce it beforehand smacks suspicious.

COMMENT #53 [Permalink]

... World's Smartest Man said on 10/29/2007 @ 5:31 pm PT...





It does seem suspicious. Everything is going down the drain. Nice post!

COMMENT #54 [Permalink]

... Dismayed said on 10/29/2007 @ 5:50 pm PT...





Someone - bradblog perhaps - had better get her on tape secretly before she goes to the networks. As corrupted as they are, I wouldn't doubt that she would give the interview, promptly be arrested and the network would then hold the story, bury it. By all means she should go network if she can, but she'd better have a tape in trusted hands somewhere.

COMMENT #55 [Permalink]

... Truther said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:43 pm PT...





Yep, I hope she gets the interview taped before the jackals get her.

COMMENT #56 [Permalink]

... gtash said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:44 pm PT...





I think the problem is the same one the telecos have right now: abetting a crime. If a network decides to be an accomplice in broadcasting matters of "state security", they risk a number of sanctions not least of which is being suddenly identified as enemies of the US by George Bush and his outlaws. Don't get me wrong: I want Sibel to get the widest possible audience and the way to do it is the way Ellsberg's Pentagon Papers did: get read into the Congressional Record by a legislator.

COMMENT #57 [Permalink]

... Not Fred said on 10/29/2007 @ 6:51 pm PT...





Sibel please make your own video and post it online at multiple sites - the more the better. It will go viral.

Don't wait for MSM.

COMMENT #58 [Permalink]

... Insidiousforces said on 10/29/2007 @ 7:40 pm PT...





Perhaps the reason why Congress has not investigated these claims is for the same simple reason impeachment is off the table. Pelosi and Reed both control the chairmen of the different committees and can simply remove any chairmen that wants to look under the covers. If you do some online homework you'll find that it is entirely likely Pelosi and her husband as well as Reed both have skeletons in their closets that the administration is holding over their heads. Pelosi and defense contracts, Reed and his land investments. Can you think of a more valid reason for taking impeachment off the table so quickly when our constitution has been so obviously attacked? For Gods' sake, Clinton was impeached for a sex act and Bush is commiting high crimes against the constitution. I for one, have lost respect for both parties completely. Webb, Dodd, Biden and Feingold are about the only ones I can even begin to believe in or that have an ounce of credibility. Hillary is one of the true bad apples in the race. She's a status quo elitist.

COMMENT #59 [Permalink]

... randall said on 10/29/2007 @ 7:43 pm PT...





Out media sucks. go with the BBC.

COMMENT #60 [Permalink]

... Fletch said on 10/29/2007 @ 7:43 pm PT...





The lawyers of the MSM will never allow this. Sibel must record everything she knows and distribute it on the internet via multiple websites, bit-torrent, etc. That's the only medium that'll distribute her story.

COMMENT #61 [Permalink]

... Perplexed Paladin said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:16 pm PT...





There might be a very simple explanation for why she is looking for coverage via the MSM, and not just the blogs, youtube, etc... Why preach to the choir, when little can be accomplished until the people in middle america (the MSM watchers) are up in arms over the matter? These are the people she has to sway in order to accomplish anything...

COMMENT #62 [Permalink]

... nigel said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:19 pm PT...





1. I think we need to all set up a way to pay her for her story. The mass media is a choke point. 2. It is interesting how Soldiers for the Truth, sftt.org, is pulling in their markers on the "bent spear" issue where the nukes were "accidentally" shipped. Like what happened to the high tech tracking - OnStar for nukes.

COMMENT #63 [Permalink]

... J for Vendetta said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:28 pm PT...





Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with #40. She is gonna come out and perpetuate the official myth or, lets face she'd be dead already. Wellstoned! As much as I hate admit, 9/11 Truth is a lost cause. I'm sure someday in the future under the reign of King Bush, one of his cronies on his death bed will spill the beans. But its a lost cause. All we can hope for is the 08 elections not to be called off and Ron Paul gets in the WH.

COMMENT #64 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:33 pm PT...





Lev's comment (#40) nails it, this part specifically.

Then they can say "OK, your instincts were right America.. There HAS been a cover-up surrounding 9/11... It was a cover-up of our incompetence in making so many embarrassing mistakes yadda yadda yadda" and that's that. If she believes the Al Qaeda crap, then she's either a player in the lie, or just not as smart as we thought she was. Either way, unless she's got irrefutable evidence that Dick's also involved, I think the best we can hope for is another "a couple of bad/incompetent low-level apples are exclusively to blame" type portrayal, a la Abu Ghraib. The 9/11 Truth movement could lose a lot of ground.

My only hope is someone like Moyers taking the ball and running with it, using Edmonds as a springboard to look at the whole thing. Chances of that: slim-to-none.

But you never know...

COMMENT #65 [Permalink]

... Libby Shaw said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:40 pm PT...





Send the info to Greg Palast - he will find a way around it all. http://www.gregpalast.com/

COMMENT #66 [Permalink]

... tim said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:43 pm PT...





Don't be a fool. Demand 2 or 3 hours of live TV for the interview with your own film crew taping the interview. They will promise you anything before and then will edit and take your facts out of context to spin and discredit.

COMMENT #67 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 10/29/2007 @ 8:45 pm PT...





FWIW, I think there is another way for her to get her story out, if she had an ally in Congress. Via wikipedia on Mike Gravel:

In 1971 Gravel played a key role in the release of the Pentagon Papers — a large collection of secret government documents pertaining to the Vietnam War — which were made public by former Defense Department analyst Daniel Ellsberg. Gravel inserted 4,100 pages of the Papers into the Congressional Record of his Senate Subcommittee on Buildings and Grounds. Again, she'd need someone with balls AND integrity in Congress to play his/her part, a tough combination to find these days.

Interesting times, indeed...

COMMENT #68 [Permalink]

... Channing said on 10/29/2007 @ 9:03 pm PT...





If none of the US networks will take up her story I would suggest she should try a foreign TV network. I would be willing even help her travel to Europe and make contact with some TV networks here (I live in Germany), if she wants to do that.

COMMENT #69 [Permalink]

... serena1313 said on 10/29/2007 @ 9:15 pm PT...





I've kept up with the story off and on ... whenever I see a link I always follow it with reference to Sibel Edmonds. I have nothing but the utmost respect for her. I do not understand why Waxman reneged on his word to investigate unless he was threatened. Maybe her story is so compelling that it puts impeachment on the table. Presumably and if her testimony is earth-shattering enough to cause a major shake-up in government it would be exactly what the doctor ordered. America would be better-off for it. Evidently Edmonds thinks so too considering she is willing to face criminal charges. However she makes a valid point: "If they want to, they can bring criminal charges against someone who divulges criminal activity, and see how far they're going to get." The public will not stand for that. And the administration knows it. Her best shot to get her story out to the public would more than likely be with either AirAmerica and/or Democracy Now. It is highly unlikely any of the major TV or cable stations will pick it up. They have too much invested in maintaining the status quo. So we'll see. I wish only the best for Sibel Edmonds. What a courageous lady.

COMMENT #70 [Permalink]

... Laura said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:14 pm PT...





What about Al Gore's Current TV? He is after all in the TV biz. They do viewer content. Brad if I'm not mistaken don't you know Catherine Crier at Court TV. I bet she would love to do this.

COMMENT #71 [Permalink]

... ewastud said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:43 pm PT...





I think "Not Fred" above at post #57 has a good idea. Sibel should make her own video and post it on multiple sites. The MSM has no credibility or integrity any more, and their ratings are going in the dumps as a result. It is not the best way of getting the truth out to the most people; it is mostly the way to get propaganda out to the greatest number of fools who still watch and listen to the MSM. I have given up on those mofos long ago.

COMMENT #72 [Permalink]

... carols said on 10/29/2007 @ 10:44 pm PT...





put it on bradblog, if nothing else. if she is waiting for MSM to tell the truth she's finished. why dont people comprehend that MSM is the government's own propaganda wing? they are an arm of the gov, but posing as separate. why do we keep running to the perps for redress of our grievances?

COMMENT #73 [Permalink]

... rosevilleboy said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:06 pm PT...





I sent moyer an e-mail. moyersonpbs@thirteen.org

COMMENT #74 [Permalink]

... Chris Brudy said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:32 pm PT...





It will be a miracle if her story comes out, because no one wants to see their grandchildren kidnapped and fed through a tree mulcher.

Also, the majority of people in this country, that is, the idiots who get their news from TV and the major dailies, will give her 30 seconds of attention and go back to their ballgames. She live a couple of more weeks and will never be heard from again.

Criminals now run our country, and will stop at nothing.

COMMENT #75 [Permalink]

... FunMe said on 10/29/2007 @ 11:49 pm PT...





Thank you Sibel for doing this. I am lighting some incense for you tonight so that you are well protected. You will be alright because you have no fear. You have more than half won that battle. If you have no fear, they can't really get you.

Pranams! http://i10.photobucket.c...145/poehbeer/namaste.jpg We are with you!

COMMENT #76 [Permalink]

... Doug Buchanan said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:03 am PT...





Being among the Americans who are so self-dumbed-down that they are clueless of the RIGHT to freedom of speech prevailing above the inferior and thus not lawfully applicable law of a ludicrously described "gag order", and how to easily manifest a RIGHT above an inferior law, Sibel and equally ignorant news journalists have nothing to offer commonly intelligent people, beyond petty amusement. I and others could tell you everything Sibel reserves for her ego gratification, and verify it beyond every question any human could create, if there were incentive. It has been told billions of times, about every power-based empire doomed to failure, while fools perpetually perceive it to be new news. May you learn the most knowledge of the most concepts, most efficiently. DougBuchanan.com

COMMENT #77 [Permalink]

... euro said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:13 am PT...





ya lets go to BBC!

COMMENT #78 [Permalink]

... radostsguy said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:17 am PT...





Boy I'm glad I'm not an American! Channing suggested a European Channel. Problem there is how many Americans watch European TV? Not the 6000 year Religious Fruitcakes, that's for sure! Also, likely the only countries that might do it are France, Germany, and Russia. Doesn't that set up the Rupukes for a fine little Propaganda campaign! Also, as long as the grease monkeys have their NASCAR Races to go to, do you really think they give a damn? I agree with someone way above. "Sorry America. It's already too late." Crash and Burn Time. As the brilliant Commander bin Laden put it when a journalist asked him if he was planning an attack on America, some 6 months ago, "Why should I? My friend George is doing my job for me!" As Tehran put it a couple of years ago, "Iraq will be the gravestone of the American Empire." I'm sure the Persians wouldn't mind sharing the honours. America is now such a swamp of corruption and state crime, that those who think Sibel may be a Bush operative may be right. Who knows?

COMMENT #79 [Permalink]

... MsKitty said on 10/30/2007 @ 3:09 am PT...





Whatever Ms. Edmonds BELIEVES to be the case for the 911 hijackers is irrelevant. She SHOULD speakout about those things she knows for sure. AND she should definitely protect herself and her testimony.

COMMENT #80 [Permalink]

... skydiver said on 10/30/2007 @ 4:45 am PT...





Folks, PLEASE relax and allow yourselves the time to look at the whole picture _CAREFULLY_ and several times. A few have pointed out some suspicious points, and i tend to agree to some. Why *tease* such a thing at that point? Unless she has already prepared documents at at least 10 safe places around the globe for the worst case, she would be very stupid to do this. Also, this teasing is a very questionable play with the emotions of everyone being HUNGRY for the truth --- please be aware of this, let it not overwhelm you to the point that you stop your critical thinking! At the moment you simply can NOT rule the possibility out that somebody intends to playing us for chumps here. Please consider the following: *JUST IF* this is another smear job, and everyone can point the fingers towards here und prove afterward that this lady had almost the whole truther-movement behind her (FACT: currently NO ONE HERE KNOWS what she might say!), then the credibility of the movement could HANDILY be PLAYED DOWN TO ZERO by everyone wanting to do so (corporate media, government, you name it). BETTER NOT RISK such a thing to happen. Possible scenario: Ok, so the movement gives support for Edmonds (out of blind hope and despair), not knowing what she has to offer. Then, some media "generously" agrees, and she reveals live on TV essentially that this was just about temendous incompetence, spills some of that "yadda yadda" and that was it. Ugh ok, so truthers disappointedly turn their back against her claiming that she was also some smear job. What happens next? Media XYZ will point to this forum (for example) and say: But you supported her fanatically, you even called us at night and spammed us to have her on air blah blah. "Yeah okay, but ..." ... but what? At this point the movement will finally look like that herd of nuts, and they'll have it there where they want it to be. Not to mention that this would also hurt the MORAL of the movement. IF she is credible, there are many, many (other) ways to spread the information out. And, she would probably be well aware of that. WE NEED TO STAY CRITICAL, period.

COMMENT #81 [Permalink]

... grover nerdkissed said on 10/30/2007 @ 4:55 am PT...





please take care of yourself Sybil!!! & please youtube it!

the media doesnt care!

we have to get your story out ourselves!!!!

COMMENT #82 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 10/30/2007 @ 5:08 am PT...





Like the Pentagon Papers ... ? It may depend on who the Attorney General is. If the current fascist nominee Mukcasey is appointed they may waterboard her because he does not know if that is torture or not. After being a federal judge and a federal prosecutor. Clueless to American values ... the values party ... alien values. But it may also depend on a jury. Even in Texas they are starting to figure out that the current regime is 98% bullshit. The court website says:

10/22/07 The jury has found Defendant Mohammad El-Mezain NOT GUILTY on Counts 2-32. Verdict available here. Chief Judge Fish has declared a mistrial as to Count 1 for this defendant and on all counts for the remaining defendants. (ND Texas).

COMMENT #83 [Permalink]

... JC said on 10/30/2007 @ 5:51 am PT...





The media are compromised --- events in the last 6 years should be enough to convince anyone of that. Sibel needs to make a video with every piece of info she has --- and flood the web with it. It's the only way to get this info out without "creative editing" by the powers that be. I sure do want to see what she has......

COMMENT #84 [Permalink]

... Mike said on 10/30/2007 @ 6:10 am PT...





Sibel be careful! I hope she has her testimony on video and in writing in case of...something. What about NPR????????? or Keith Olberman???

COMMENT #85 [Permalink]

... austin monaghan said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:02 am PT...





somebody has to protect this woman may i suggest the organisation protecting dr ron paul and stephen greer. love alienshifter

COMMENT #86 [Permalink]

... JC said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:06 am PT...





I see where some people are saying Sibel might be a government shill for the 19 Arabs with boxcutters story. If she reveals details about several crimes like drug distribution and corruption at high levels --- every single person in authority that knows of these crimes is guilty of accessory after the fact. That would mean the FBI as well as many political players all the way to the White House. Would the typical American think "state secrets privilege" is legitimate for hiding crimes? I don't think so. It's time for Sibel to spill the beans.

COMMENT #87 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:12 am PT...





Food for thought: Maybe they KNOW she has what she's going to say, documented...that's why she's still around. (see: that lesbian Irish girl in the military who "uncovered something" in accounting and wound up dead...and had no documentation).

COMMENT #88 [Permalink]

... chabuka said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:36 am PT...





It would be particularly wonderful if the House (Nancy Pelosi, don't hold your breath for Pelosi to actually defend the Constitution) would hear Ms.Sibel Edmonds sworn testimony during Impeachment Hearings...maybe Keith Olbermann would consider and interview...? Or Bill Moyers..? (I doubt if Anderson Cooper would interview her..not even in his "keeping them honest" segment..he seems to be a right wing tool)

COMMENT #89 [Permalink]

... chabuka said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:42 am PT...





And just where is the ACLU..? Protecting undocumented workers rights...? I read that the ACLU has about six hundred "illegals" working for them..so obviously they are not interested in holding this adminisration accountable to American citizens

COMMENT #90 [Permalink]

... MichaelT said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:49 am PT...





There are two choices: either Ms. Edmonds will essentially support the myth of 9/11 as promulgated by the Bush administration (see comment #40) or she will not. But let's be optimistic and say she is the 9/11 equivalent of the Pentagon Papers. For her allegations to be believed and for them to gain a foothold with the American public, she needs to reveal what she knows through unimpeachable, credible sources, that have no identifiable anti-Neo-con agenda. (See comment #67.) Otherwise, the public will dismiss her as a nut job, 9/11 Truther goof ball. As much as I like Bill Moyers, he is left off the list of potential journalists because of his avowed dislike of the Bush administration. As Manninwaren says in comment #67, we need someone with guts and integrity to step up and take her case, not an easy person to find. She'll need credibility beyond her own to succeed. However, I have faith that the person, although not yet identified, is there, and some critical event will make that person come forward, like Daniel Ellsburg and Mike Gavel did with the Pentagon Papers, like Deep Throat did for Watergate. My problem is I don't know how long I can wait. I'm running out of patience with Bush and his group and as for the hero we need, I feel like I'm waiting for Godot.

COMMENT #91 [Permalink]

... HystErica said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:57 am PT...





While I'd really like to hear what she has to say, I'm a little uncomfortable about her adherence to the "Highjackers With Boxcutters" theory. And if she was that much of a threat to the Big Guys they would have suicided her or given her cancer or something.

As LEV and SKYDIVER commented, I am concerned that there might be smear job in the offing. But that remains to be seen... Don't expect the MSM to touch it, and after seeing the BBC's strawman piece about 9/11 I doubt they'd give her a fair shake either...

COMMENT #92 [Permalink]

... ThomasT said on 10/30/2007 @ 8:06 am PT...





Agree 100% with Lev, comment 40, that she is part of the misinformation. Anybody mentioning al-cia-da is part of the BS. She listened to phone converstaions of the planning, really? Did she get into the one from the the guy in a cave in Afghan, who shut down the half trillion dollar US air defenses with his laptop? Guess not. The fact that Brad blog did not pick all this up, makes one a little supicioux, NO??

COMMENT #93 [Permalink]

... Debra Hunter said on 10/30/2007 @ 8:38 am PT...





Thanks for helping her get her info out, I have contacted all the media too and they know me from my contact with Eric Clapton and know my story about mass graves (Nazi/Satanic) in Missouri is true but don't have permission to go public. EC and I were undercover for Interpol gathering evidence against the US gov. and the coverup is never ending. I went on alternative radio three times with Greg Szymanski and he'll let her talk at libertyradiolive. Also Americas Most Wanted wanted my story (because of missing people) but I'm sure the FBI stopped that. She can try RedIce, I have an interview in the making there with Fred or Henrich Palgrene. It's dangerous telling the truth, the FBI set me up to get killed and when I got hurt my brain was bleeding and the dirty bastards refused Eric or any one else to save my life, sick bastards...

COMMENT #94 [Permalink]

... Mr. Natural said on 10/30/2007 @ 9:32 am PT...





Brad, I hope you don't mind that I copy/pasted your complete story including links and picture? The more who read this and act the better. I have been waiting for this story to break for a long time. Asking my Congresscritters and Reps to please take action on it to no avail. Colleen #19 here on the comments, thank you so much for BILL MOYERS' email address! moyersonpbs@thirteen.org I clicked for the print view and emailed the story to him.

Wish I could afford to send some $$ Brad, but just not possible.

Peace,

J

COMMENT #95 [Permalink]

... Gerald Sills said on 10/30/2007 @ 9:40 am PT...





If Sibel is serious, then the Internet is a better choice, with a video placed all over the world. I would not trust any major network with distributing her entire unedited interview. And I would trust Henry Waxman even less. The longer Sibel waits, the less important becomes her story; we have elections arriving soon, and like 2004, the wrong people will be chosen to represents us, we the people. If she is considered a real threat, then an elimination can be arranged, and her information goes away with her. Speak now, or forever be silenced.

COMMENT #96 [Permalink]

... Libby Shaw said on 10/30/2007 @ 9:52 am PT...





I've been trying to send the link to Keith Olbermann but the email keeps bouncing back. Anyone else had any luck getting through?

COMMENT #97 [Permalink]

... Frank said on 10/30/2007 @ 10:51 am PT...





I see what Sibel Edmonds has been saying as being just one piece of the overall puzzle. As far as the straw man arguments above that she is pushing an incompetence theory, or that she "listened in on phone conversations of the planning", they are simply false. She is talking about "treason" and (should a real investigation occur) several high level *criminal* prosecutions, and has made no claims about overhearing the planning that I have ever seen. She is also talking about links to "semi-legit" organizations like AIPAC and the American- Turkish Council--AIPAC being the most powerful lobby in Washington. Not exactly a story about the incompetence of a few low level people as the uninformed idiots above are suggesting. The hijackers were real people, and more than likely patsies involved in U.S. government sanctioned drug smuggling. Shades of JFK. Those flight schools in Florida were fronts for government sanctioned drug smuggling. The very thing that the U.S. government has been desperately trying to cover up and whitewash for decades. This is all consistent with what Sibel has been saying. That's not to say that Sibel's opinions on other aspects of the entire event should be taken as gospel. She is just one person with exposure to one small aspect of the whole thing. Like the overwhelming majority of Americans, she is probably scientifically illiterate (she has a liberal arts background), so her views on the towers are irrelevant.

COMMENT #98 [Permalink]

... Ram said on 10/30/2007 @ 12:17 pm PT...





Libby Shaw #96: My emails to Keith have been coming back as well --- and not just on this issue. I think there may be something wrong with his system.

COMMENT #99 [Permalink]

... Libby Shaw said on 10/30/2007 @ 12:25 pm PT...





Ram #96 Thank you. I went to the Countdown web site, clicked on "email Countdown," wrote a note along with the link and sent it. I think it went through this time. At least I have not received a bounce in over an hour. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Worse case scenario, I can print/fax the piece. I am also going to send the link to Greg Palast. He may have some ideas on how to get this "out there." Let's keep on trekking!

COMMENT #100 [Permalink]

... rick said on 10/30/2007 @ 12:31 pm PT...





I emailed keith oberman at countdown yesterday and have not had it bounce

COMMENT #101 [Permalink]

... Libby Shaw said on 10/30/2007 @ 12:50 pm PT...





Thanks, Rick #100. I am glad that at least one of us got through. Now let's see if Keith will go with the story. I just emailed Greg Palast, sent him the link and asked him to please contact Brad directly if he had any suggestions/advice for Ms. Edmonds.

COMMENT #102 [Permalink]

... hummm said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:07 pm PT...





Turkish spies in the Pentagon? LOL Isn't it Turkey they want to invade northern Iraq in order to break Iraq into 3 countries and kick off WW111? This story is very fishy and seems to be timed too conveniently for my taste. I smell the work of another small middle eastern country at work here.

COMMENT #103 [Permalink]

... Maria Lundgren said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:09 pm PT...





How about the BBC?

COMMENT #104 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:23 pm PT...





..."my darlin, you look wonderful tonight"...whew!

COMMENT #105 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/30/2007 @ 2:47 pm PT...





Frank said: "The hijackers were real people" I'm not saying Mohamed Atta, Hani Hanjour etc. were mannequins, what I'm saying is they obviously didn't hijack anything, that wasn't their purpose. Yes they were C.I.A. patsies, and yes they probably THOUGHT they were just in flight training to be C.I.A. drug pilots. But their actual purpose was neither to be a drug pilot nor to hijack anything, but rather to leave a trail of B-movie-grade hamfisted "evidence" for the F.B.I. to "find" so as to flesh out the ridiculous "nineteen hijackers" myth. Aside from it not passing the smell test of people UNconnected to investigating it, we also have this from a Seymour Hersh article: "Many of the investigators believe that some of the initial clues that were uncovered about the terrorists' identities and preparations, such as flight manuals, were meant to be found. A former high-level intelligence official told me, "Whatever trail was left was left deliberately—for the F.B.I. to chase."

http://cicentre.com/Docu...ts/DOC_Hersch_OCT_01.htm http://www.globalpolicy....c/analysis/1001intel.htm Anyway, by all accounts they were by far too incompetent to have been able to (purposely) crash a Cessna into anything let alone being able to jump into the cockpit of Boeing 757s and -767s and fly them like experts. This beggars the imagination when one seriously thinks about it. Add to that the fact that all of them were again by all accounts very hedonistic, adhering to basically NONE of the precepts of Islam: They drank liquor and beer like college kids, some snorted cocaine, some smoked pot, they got lapdances from strippers, ate pork chops, visited prostitutes, watched porn, gambled on a gambling ship and even went to Vegas, "Sin City". Sound like anybody who is so devoted to Islam as to be willing to sacrifice their own lives for it? For a religion they didn't seem to care about in the least? Didn't think so. "she is probably scientifically illiterate (she has a liberal arts background), so her views on the towers are irrelevant." Be that as it may, I give her credit for at least having common sense, which is all that it takes to figure out that they were controlled demolitions. Consider: If she spent any time at all looking into the details of 9/11 as she apparantly has, then she would be aware that even the N.I.S.T. admits that the Towers came down at freefall rate. Which means that the solid vast majority of building offered no more resistance to the falling mass than air. Which means that something (i.e. explosives) had to have reduced said building's majority to such a state of offering no more resistance than air. This is so simple it makes my brain hurt. Anyone with an elementary school diploma should have no problem using common sense and understanding that solid objects offer many magnitudes more resistance than air, and thus that the official myth of the Tower "collapses" and 9/11 itself is just that, a myth. And Sibel is no dummy, she appears to be an intelligent woman. So ignorance cannot be a defense for her. Common sense also tells you that "Al Qaeda" is not capable of standing down the U.S. Air Force, something else that Sibel should easily be able to deduce. So when she comes out with this bullshit that seems to only reinforce the fake "hijackers" myth, it screams LIMITED HANGOUT. Could the reason for the Cheney regime playing its Sibel Edmonds limited hangout card at this time be that a recent Zogby poll showed that 51% of respondents want an independent (read: REAL) investigation of 9/11, one that specifically investigates Cheney and Bush for complicity? http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1354

COMMENT #106 [Permalink]

... Jaye said on 10/30/2007 @ 3:39 pm PT...





Sibel is one hot Babe, but she is going up against Satan's children and I hope God protects her. Shalom.

COMMENT #107 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/30/2007 @ 4:27 pm PT...





Hummm said: "Isn't it Turkey they want to invade northern Iraq in order to break Iraq into 3 countries" Actually, I think you have it backwards: Turkey wants to invade northern Iraq ostensibly as a punitive expedition against the Kurdish P.K.K. rebels who launch attacks staging out of northern Iraq, attacking Turkish military and police in southeastern Turkey, then withdrawing back across the border to Iraq and safety. The Turks claim to want to root them out, however a more cynical eye sees that Turkey wants to do whatever it can to quash the quasi-autonomous Kurdish region of Iraq. Breaking Iraq into 3 countries would be Turkey's worst nightmare (and Iran's and Syria's) as Turkey has a large Kurdish minority within Turkey itself. If the Kurdish northern part of Iraq were to become independent they presume, probably correctly, that the forces of Kurdish irridentism would be immeasurably strengthened and the Kurds in Turkey would want to secede from Turkey and join their Kurdish-populated territory to the independent (northern Iraq) Kurdistan. Not allowing that to happen is something that such strange bedfellows as Turkey and Iran and Syria can all agree on.

COMMENT #108 [Permalink]

... Mr.Murder said on 10/30/2007 @ 5:39 pm PT...





Various scandals(Plame, Edmonds, Kwiatkowski) connect back to an overall regional/resource market approach, one that has essentially become global. Don’t forget that the original ENRON stock balloon was filled with hot air from the oil stans deals, and Enron jets flew to Dade county to help GOP staffers run a riot. The. Dots. Connect.

COMMENT #109 [Permalink]

... Hmm ... said on 10/30/2007 @ 6:24 pm PT...





Why doesn't she merely make a video statement and distribute it to your blog, Rense.com and other alternate media sites on the net? Putting it up on YouTube would help too. She will likely get instant and broader coverage if she takes those routes. Whatever she decides, she needs to act quickly now that she has declared her intention to spill the beans. If she waits too long she risks being jailed by the crazies and then she won't be able to say much to anyone. Has she considered that?

COMMENT #110 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 10/30/2007 @ 6:51 pm PT...





From Hmm, #109

Why doesn't she merely make a video statement and distribute it to your blog, Rense.com and other alternate media sites on the net? Putting it up on YouTube would help too. She will likely get instant and broader coverage if she takes those routes. I'm not a legal expert, but if they publish her video, they may be liable too. No way YouTube would do it. Maybe rense.com, but that would be mostly preaching to the choir.

COMMENT #111 [Permalink]

... Michelle L. said on 10/30/2007 @ 7:20 pm PT...





If Ms. Edmonds realizes the mainstream media isn't going to eagerly make any tempting offers she's living reality. They're controlled by the same corporations and shadow government elites that control politicians, government and military-industrial decisions. YouTube and alternative media sources might be her only avenue and hope of exposing corruption. Talk show personalities like Oprah and Maher enjoy comforts and money too much risk a political stink bomb, plus, they're owned by the same money folks running everything else. They're not patriots, but business people - like Limbaugh. Rosie stuck her neck out, and ......... Whistle Blowers who expose corruption and government waste, corporate pollution or crime - even TRUTH - in this country are often ridiculed, trashed, financially devastated, ignored, labeled insane, intimidated, imprisoned, and generally ostracized - sometimes even stalked and found dead. Family members suffer or even worse. It's very dangerous. Few Americans realize things "go bump in the night" in "the land of the free." We have some very evil operatives underground. The fact that Sibel is still alive, if all she implies is true, warrants an investigation.

COMMENT #112 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 10/31/2007 @ 6:44 am PT...





Isn't this an indictment of the controlled corporate media? If none of them touches this?

COMMENT #113 [Permalink]

... Michelle L. said on 10/31/2007 @ 7:51 am PT...





You can't indict supreme rulers and if you try in this country, you'll lose. The Media is the fourth branch of government. Without their support Bush couldn't evade Congress and the American People would be well aware and informed of multiple ongoing political scandals. As it is, the Media creates a comfortable, candy-coated America featuring Flip the Dog, and Hollywood secrets instead of grinding away daily at Washington D.C.'s, and state and local political bribery, dishonesty, prostitution rings and corruption. Elite corporate salaries are so extravagant and beyond average Americans' understanding, those running huge corporations are in classes of their own with mindsets normal Americans wouldn't understand. Media moguls are masters at coverup, creating fantasy and illusion, and have been at it for years. And they're constantly giving themselves salary increases - and with clear conscience. News reporting isn't delivery of factual information, but entertainment. News Reporters are not patriots save maybe Dobbs and Olbermann have a little courage. Most are merely happy with their salaries, fame, pretty faces and great benefits, with little or no driving force to deliver social justice or truth - and they respect the hatchet men who pay them. News reporting is entertainment, competition, big business and, as always: more money and protection for the wealthy and powerful. In many instances leaders of politics, corporations and media gather together as a grand, elite social club. In those circles, being blackballed could be extremely devastating.

COMMENT #114 [Permalink]

... Libby Shaw said on 10/31/2007 @ 8:00 am PT...





Very astute observations, Michelle at #113. Perhaps this is why so many of us have thrown in the towel where the MSM news is concerned and have fled to the Internet and blogosphere instead. This and CSPAN seem to be our only reliable venues at the time. That said, I think the politicians and corporate moguls have underestimated the intelligence and patriotism of the American people and they do not realize how really outraged we are.

COMMENT #115 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 10/31/2007 @ 8:31 am PT...





Michelle L, #113

Elite corporate salaries are so extravagant and beyond average Americans' understanding, those running huge corporations are in classes of their own with mindsets normal Americans wouldn't understand. Dead on. Similar things could be said about the American military, and the average American's (apparent) belief that those at the top of the power pyramid would be morally incapable of sacrificing 3000 "nobodies" in order to have all their military wet-dreams come true. From Libby Shaw, #114:

That said, I think the politicians and corporate moguls have underestimated the intelligence and patriotism of the American people and they do not realize how really outraged we are. I have to ask: what have we done with this outrage? What power does it really give us? Americans are completely cut off from their ability to live without their jobs, i.e., their (for the most part) corporate employers; as such, few if any of them will risk their jobs (or standing) by doing anything (like walkouts) that would have a real impact on the powerful. In other words, until the people feel they have LESS to lose by making a stand than they do by standing idly by, they will stand, with their outrage, idly by. And when enough of them actually DO feel that exercising their power is worth the risk, it will because they have nothing left to lose, and by then it will be too late.

Call me a pessimist, but if you do, please point to evidence that I'm wrong. The marches and rallies don't do shit (if we're going to be honest here), so don't bother bringing them up.

COMMENT #116 [Permalink]

... Greg Norris said on 10/31/2007 @ 2:13 pm PT...





How the banksters and financial fraudsters created the global subprime mess: role of the credit rating agencies: http://www.globalsecurit...watch.org/world-news.pdf

COMMENT #117 [Permalink]

... Greg Norris said on 10/31/2007 @ 2:19 pm PT...





If link above does not open for you, try: http://www.prnewswire.co...ED+Sep+19+2007,+09:21+AM

COMMENT #118 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 10/31/2007 @ 3:29 pm PT...





Hmm said: "If she waits too long she risks being jailed by the crazies" Probably not. The very fact that she has telegraphed her disclosure in advance proves further that she has nothing to fear from the regime. Read what I posted in comments #40 and #105. She's not worried because she appears most likely to be part of the cover-up. Michelle L. said: "maybe Dobbs and Olbermann have a little courage" The operative word being little. Actually they're both gatekeepers. Both are critical of Bush and the regime but both know where the limits are regarding how much they can say. For example, I remember Olbermann not too long ago railing against Bush for using 9/11 as his excuse for everything, for politicizing it. On and on Keith went, really lambasting Bush (understandably), but stopped far short of saying anything remotely like "we need a real investigation into 9/11, one that investigates Bush and Cheney" or "America, look into the details of 9/11 and what you'll find will surprise and disgust you" or anything CLOSE to that. No, he gave lip service to the official myth of 9/11, only taking issue with Bush using it for political advantage. Never heard him mention election fraud either, though I could have missed it. Keith Olbermann is popular with the Left because like all left gatekeepers he says things we mostly agree with. (If he didn't then he would be useless as a gatekeeper since he wouldn't have an audience with the Left). That's his purpose, to APPEAR leftist while steering discussion away from matters most damaging to the regime. That way, your average person who may hear someone else say that 9/11 was an inside job might think "Well, Olbermann's pretty leftist and obviously hates Bush; if even HE isn't saying that it was an inside job I guess it isn't, there must not be anything to this story". Same with Michael Moore, Amy Goodman, Bill Maher (more of a libertarian than a leftist though), Noam Chomsky, William Blum, Alexander Cockburn, Al Franken, Jon Stewart etc. They might argue like hell against Bush and Cheney within their little box, but they certainly won't let the discussion stray outside it. That's why you shouldn't expect much from the likes of Keith Olbermann.

COMMENT #119 [Permalink]

... Sure... we believe you said on 11/1/2007 @ 1:07 am PT...





If you got something to say... say it... or else, shut the phuk up.

COMMENT #120 [Permalink]

... Ken Hajjar said on 11/1/2007 @ 11:44 am PT...





I have sent an email to Countdown, insisting on her appearance on the show. Let's see what happens. These guys are always trying to pump up their ratings, so maybe a lot of pressure from people by letter, email, etc accompanied by the threat that we'll stop watching, may get her on the show. Let's put the pressure on.

COMMENT #121 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 1:29 pm PT...





Ken Hajjar, again, I wouldn't expect much of value from two people that are almost certainly part of the problem, Keith Olbermann and Sibel Edmonds. He's a left gatekeeper and she appears to be part of the cover-up. Don't get your hopes up people. Anyone that gives lip service to the "nineteen hijackers" impossible myth is not someone we can count on.

COMMENT #122 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/1/2007 @ 1:55 pm PT...





Maybe it's always been this way, but it seems like we live in incredibly dishonest times. Lies withing lies, all wrapped up in a candy-coating of superficial truth. I don't know where's she's coming from, and it's very possible that she's a "honey-pot", but I'm starting to think it's worth the risk. Because she might just be someone with a bit of real information, a "lead" if you will, who could shake things up enough to get the ball rolling. Because right now, the ball seems to be going kinda slow, if at all.

Feel free to jump all over me about that last comment, maybe there are recent developments I'm not aware of.

COMMENT #123 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 2:22 pm PT...





ManInWarren: I'm not going to jump all over you. And of course we should listen to what she has to say, it may be interesting if nothing else. My comments are mainly directed at the people ready to unquestioningly lap up anything and everything she may say and declare her queen of 9/11 truth when everything I've ever heard from her fairly reeks of being part of the cover-up, just an attractive limited hangout artist who will lead people down blind alleys and focus attention on a handful of scapegoats to allow the big fish to escape scrutiny. All I'm trying to do is to make the people who are fawning over this woman aware that they should bear in mind her ridiculous position on 9/11's details while they listen to whatever she has to say, and to realize that she is most likely not genuine but working AGAINST us. The day she defies her handlers and says "9/11 was a false flag op done by the U.S. intel community" will be the day some "lone nut assassin" blows her brains out. Instead she will try to lead people down any alley BUT that, whether it's "the Saudis did it", "we're infiltrated by Turks", "a few people let the 'hijackers' get away with it" or whatever. It won't be the truth, I'm telling you now. A good comparison is Daniel Hopsicker and his "Mad Cow Morning News". On the surface, he appears to be a genuine investigative reporter who cares about looking into the details of 9/11, mainly in Florida relating to the flight schools. And I've fact checked a lot of his findings and he does in fact turn up some details that I had not been previously aware of (all of which point to the "hijackers" being C.I.A. patsies), but amazingly Hopsicker then goes to great lengths to advocate a laughably insane theory that the C.I.A. was monitoring the "hijackers" like a sting operation, and really intended to spring the trap, but that something got screwed up and it accidentally was allowed to happen. He goes out of his way to state he doesn't believe that the Twin Towers and # 7 were controlled demolitions, since that would put a crimp in his "C.I.A. op gone awry" theory. He doesn't explore any of the other impossibilities of the official myth, like the fact that these "hijackers" which he spent so much time retracing their footsteps couldn't possibly have done what they are being accused of, being far too incompetent. He doesn't seem to notice the glaring contradiction between their hedonistic partying behavior which he elaborates on in detail, with them being accused of being so devoted to Islam that they would sacrifice their lives for it. So Hopsicker is another asset to the cover-up, his job being to lead people down a rabbit hole, much like Sibel Edmonds appears ready to do. Only she comes from the F.B.I. and can add juicy tidbits to it like fingering a few scapegoats to take the fall. You are right ManInWarren, there are lies within lies. Our best defense is to retain our critical thinking and don't give people passes for claiming to be on our side. We've found out conclusively that claiming to be with us does NOT by any means indicate they actually ARE.

COMMENT #124 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:05 pm PT...





Lev, again, good points. As I tell my kids when they start getting over-confident about something (a project, say) that they haven't yet finished, "We'll celebrate when we're sure it's really done, when we're sure we've reached the goal". I think a lot of us (myself most definitely included) are feeling a strong temptation to abandon ourselves to thoughts of "finally, the truth!", when we of all people should know better, given our take on just how devious our "rulers" can be. It occurs to me that it's kind of a catch-22: if she does get a chance to speak, it lends credibility to the idea that she was "allowed" to speak, and is therefore a tool of TPTB, and her speaking out would therefore be detrimental to the truth movement; and if she doesn't get a chance to speak, it lends credibility to the idea that she's a real threat to TPTB, in which case it would be a pity that we don't get to hear what she has to say. HA! What a world...

Ken Hajjar, as far as Keith Olbermann goes, I like him for what he is willing to say (it's better than nothing --- or FOX!), but don't get your hopes up. I emailed him a number of times about this site, imploring him to do a piece on all these hundreds of sane, credible, and in many cases expert individuals who, together, build a very powerful case against the official story. (And I think it's safe to say that many others have emailed him with similar suggestions.) Never heard back, and unless I missed it somehow, he hasn't gone near it with a pole of any length.

COMMENT #125 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:12 pm PT...





Regarding the latest developments in 9/11 truth, I suspect the Zogby poll from early September of this year showing 51% of respondents wanting a real investigation into 9/11, one that investigates Cheney and Bush for complicity, may well be the regime's reason behind this Sibel Edmonds limited hangout gambit. They're getting nervous.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1354 The Zogby poll almost certainly triggered the release of the latest fake Osama video, the one with the all-black beard and all the references to current events inserted in the lengthy span of the tape where the video is frozen but the audio isn't. That tape appeared the day after the poll's results were published.

http://www.boomantribune...ory/2007/9/9/61032/95401

So it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to think maybe them playing their Sibel Edmonds card at this time might be another aspect to the cover-up, approaching it from a different angle than the video, but for the same purpose, to reinforce the official myth's main points while trying to channel genuine 9/11 truth sentiment into a dead end alley that absolves the main criminals. Judging by her past statements in which she talks endlessly about "Al Qaeda" this and "Al Qaeda" that, giving lip service to the "hijackers" myth, she doesn't seem to be trustworthy in the least. As for what she has to say now, caveat emptor.

COMMENT #126 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:13 pm PT...





What Sibel has to say has virtually nothing to do with 9/11. All the blather about where her head's at relative to it is just distracting. She wants to tell people about the Turkish spies in the FBI, how the FBI was trying to protect them, about the nefarious dealings going through Turkey and some big names in America (Hastert) who are getting lots of money from this stuff. I agree that getting to the whole truth about 9/11 might be crucial to stopping the fascism that has sprung from it, but please spare us the everything-has-to-be-seen-through-the-9/11-truth-lens thing. Sibel has already said she doesn't have what Truthers seem to think she has, long ago. What the hell do Sibel's beliefs about 9/11 have to do with whether or not she should be allowed to make what she knows about other treasonous activites public? Get a grip.

COMMENT #127 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:14 pm PT...





And, Lev, every thread here is not a 9/11 thread.

COMMENT #128 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:33 pm PT...





Agent 99, what she has written speaks for itself. SHE HERSELF says things about a cover-up surrounding 9/11, only she diverts things in entirely the wrong direction. So YES, what she has to say DOES involve 9/11. http://nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/Part2-FNL-Nov29-06.htm http://baltimorechronicl...050704SibelEdmonds.shtml Furthermore, I and nobody else here are saying she should be "not allowed" to say what she has to say. Obviously she should be allowed to; all I am saying is, what she has to say about 9/11 is bullshit, she still supports the official myth and only tweaks it a little in the interest of a limited hangout, so don't expect her to come on CNN and say "9/11 was done by our own government". Additionally, I realize that every thread here is not a 9/11 thread. But what you need to realize is that 9/11, being the foundational myth that the war for resource domination is based on, leading to the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, the overthrowing of the Somali government such as it was, the meddling in the Philippines, etc. is THE NUMBER ONE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF OUR TIME. Period. I realize this blog is primarily devoted to the election fraud issue, and I'm not complaining, as that is a very important issue. But if this blog spent 5% of its energy on 9/11 truth that is spent looking into election fraud then it certainly wouldn't hurt. Everything that we bitch about regarding America being a police state nowadays where dissent is thought of as treason and where groupthink is the norm, where we have a government that can make most people run around like chickens with their heads cut off simply by cranking up the "terror alert level", all that rests on the 9/11 myth. Exposing THAT should be the focus of the efforts of me, you and everyone that cares about genuine freedom instead of jackbooted tyranny, at home and abroad.

COMMENT #129 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:48 pm PT...





http://www.justacitizen....ments/Letter_to_Kean.pdf http://www.democracyinac...=Liberty%20Coalition.dwt And on Sibel Edmonds's OWN WEBSITE's front page are several quotes/endorsements, including: "As the widow of FireFighter Robert J. Minara who gave his life on 9/11/01 so that others would be saved, I deserve to have full accountability for the tragedy that affected me and thousands of other people." --Paula A. Minara "Nothing can ease the pain of losing our son, Stewart Harris, in this horrific tragedy. We, as parents, are entitled to know all the actual facts. This report MUST be released." --Mildred & R. Jay Harris "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored'. In loving memory of our beloved son, Nicholas C. Lassman. {Tower 1}." --Ira and Laura Lassman "I'm a 9/11 mom who lost her only daughter, Michelle at WTC # 2 & want the truth to come out." --Julie Scarpitta "I was injured at the Pentagon. I need to know the truth." --William K. Wright http://www.justacitizen.com/ So yeah, Sibel Edmonds doesn't have much involvement in the 9/11 matter right?

COMMENT #130 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 3:50 pm PT...





I say again, caveat emptor.

COMMENT #131 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 4:17 pm PT...





So yeah, Sibel Edmonds doesn't have much involvement in the 9/11 matter right? Right. Someone we both know likes the term "useayoubrain" and that guy probably would allow as how she isn't going to turn down anything that might get publicity for her cause. She can accept those kind of endorsements because she has firsthand experience with how federal agencies sit on evidence that convicts powerful people of treason. THAT is how it connects.

COMMENT #132 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 4:22 pm PT...





Riiiiight. And this very article which we are posting comments on says: "everything she's aware of concerning information omitted and/or covered up in relation to 9/11. All of the information gleaned from her time listening to and translating wire-taps made prior to 9/11 at the FBI." You were saying?

COMMENT #133 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 4:24 pm PT...





Pretty weak argument there Agent 99. What part of "omitted and/or covered up in relation to 9/11" don't you get?

COMMENT #134 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 4:42 pm PT...





You were saying? I was saying that this isn't another 9/11 free-for-all. I was implying that I don't like enduring commenting that sees everything through this lens. I have run up against too many people dissing great people because they don't use their energies to buck the official conspiracy theory. And, one minute you're dissing whatever Sibel might have to say because of this, and the next you're defending her authority to say it. The difference between the one and the next being that I popped up to remind you of certain things. And the part of "omitted and/or covered up in relation to 9/11" you don't seem to get is that they'd be desperate to invoke 9/11 to gag her about the horrifying stuff to which she keeps trying to bear witness.

COMMENT #135 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 4:44 pm PT...





Plus, it seems to me you have plenty of time to do your own blog.

COMMENT #136 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:02 pm PT...





"this isn't another 9/11 free-for-all." OK, so we are supposed to read the article for this thread and NOT see of the things she is talking about that 9/11 is by far the most important "information" she could be on the verge of disclosing? Yes, just forget about that, let's talk about Turks secretly lurking in the F.B.I. and drug trafficking. Forget about 9/11 right? And I say again, Sibel Edmonds HERSELF has come out criticizing the 9/11 Commission Report, but as I've said she steers the discussion off down a goat path and away from it being the obvious officially-sanctioned false flag operation that we know it was. You act as though nothing she has to say is going to be in regards to 9/11; I am stating that even in this VERY ARTICLE we are commenting on, the 9/11 issue is not only mentioned but is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of what we are supposed to believe she is going to say. Other commenters have seemed to interpret it the same way, and I can't fault them for that since it is specifically mentioned in the article of this thread and obviously is vastly more important than any dirt on Denny Hastert's corruption or drug trafficking or Turk infiltration. I was simply warning the overexcited other commenters who are ready to make this woman the spokesperson for 9/11 truth that what she says about 9/11 isn't worth the breath to say it, it's phony. The timing is also awfully suspicious as I mentioned with the Zogby poll. This thing fairly SCREAMS limited hangout and I'm not the only one to notice it, believe me. As for "another 9/11 free-for-all", that's precisely what this blog and the tiny amount of other genuine leftist blogs NEED. This is the central issue, and Brad Blog, for all its tireless work on election fraud gives very short shrift to the 9/11 truth issue. "And, one minute you're dissing whatever Sibel might have to say because of this, and the next you're defending her authority to say it." No, I am defending her RIGHT to say what she wants to say; enormous difference. Her "authority" would be her credibility, which is about nil going by her past statements, and I am by no means trying to defend her credibility; I leave that to you. I was merely saying that whatever bullshit she spews forth, she has a perfect right to spew it. Doesn't mean I have to lap it up but I was just asserting that I and nobody else I saw so far on this blog has been saying she shouldn't be allowed to say it. Do I have to agree with what someone says to think they shouldn't be prohibited from saying it? If that is really what you think then your concept of freedom of speech is dreadfully shallow.

COMMENT #137 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:23 pm PT...





You're splitting hairs, Lev. Just, please, drop it. People might want to TALK ABOUT HER OFFER TO THE MEDIA, not be pushed into learning about Hopsicker and Mad Cow, or have to split hairs with you over every phrase they choose to use, when they are not even on your subject. Whether or not some people suppose, or are hoping, it would be a big 9/11 exposé is kind of moot, and whatever her position on the events of the day might be is definitely moot. I know it's frustrating, but please quit beating people over the head with it.

COMMENT #138 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:30 pm PT...





And, this isn't a leftist blog. It is an AMERICAN blog. We like people of any political stripe who want clean elections and our Constitution back. While Brad likes input a lot, it is most certainly not up to you to dictate what this blog needs, and very unfriendly to insist people deal with this one subject when they're trying to talk about something else.

COMMENT #139 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:36 pm PT...





Whatever Agent 99. You make straw man arguments, can't admit the obvious when I provide many sources connecting her to the 9/11 truth issue, and branch off into discussing my e-mail address and whether or not I have enough time to devote to operating a blog. Whatever floats your boat. And I'm not by any means controlling what other people might want to discuss on this thread; if they want to wax rhapsodic about Sibel Edmonds the "brave whistleblower" and pin all their hopes on her, I'm not stopping them from writing in and proposing marriage to her. That's their business; all I'm doing is telling them don't count your chickens before they're hatched, as this is not going to be something that's going to reveal anything worthwhile. And her opinion on 9/11 is most certainly not moot, as she, her writings, her website, letter to Thomas Kean, interviews, and even the fucking article that this thread is connected to all are testaments to her involvement in the issue. But we can argue this all night Agent 99 and I don't expect you to admit what I'm saying, rather I just expect you to complain about things that I say or how I say it, or things totally unrelated to the matter. Ever heard the expression "You can't see the forest for [because of] the trees"?

COMMENT #140 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:50 pm PT...





Well, upon closer inspection, I guess a case could be made for this turning into another 9/11 free-for-all, so I am sorry to have brought you up short on that. Carry on. I think I am suffering from paying too much attention to what she's had to say, both directly and by not disagreeing with those who can say what she's barred from saying, over all this time, and I'm pretty sure you're jumping to the wrong conclusions based on that bullet list.

COMMENT #141 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/1/2007 @ 5:52 pm PT...





Don't want to be too pollyanna-ish, but... 1) Lev, couldn't it be that she (Sibel Edmonds) is simply incapable of putting the dots together for emotional reasons? I've spoken to friends and family for years about this, and I finally got my brother to admit that the logic of the "9/11 was an inside job" version, given all the evidence, is almost impossible to deny; where he stops is at the point where he'd have to truly accept the idea that our leaders could be that sinister. He just can't do it. It's arbitrary, it's irrational, but it's human. I think it's what a lot of people feel, he's just self-aware enough to realize it consciously. Sibel Edmonds could be someone like this. Or she could be a plant. We just don't know. I think your argument that we should all be reserved about embracing her as our 9/11 savior is dead on. But the fact is we just don't know how her testimony might impact the world; we can't just write her off.

Agent 99, I'm not sure what all your points are, but your protests (as I understand them) about looking at "everything" through 9/11 lenses doesn't hold up for me. 9/11 is more than a crime. It is the greatest crime (if our suspicions are correct) --- BY FAR --- in the history of the United States. And worse than the murder of 3000 Americans, they have used it as a springboard to kill many thousands more; and they seem to be just getting warmed up. If they are not stopped now, while there is still a semblance of liberty and justice in the U.S., then they will undoubtedly use the same strategy again, but this time it will be the nuke that Dick Cheney keeps telling us could happen any day now. When that happens, given the shape they've molded the country into since 9/11, the police state will be a reality, and blogs like this will be gone from our world, as will debates about "who did it". And gone too will be any chance of restoring anything like a republic to our country.

Nothing is more important than revealing what really happened on 9/11, and who really made it happen. Of this I am utterly convinced. We have to know for sure.

COMMENT #142 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 6:10 pm PT...





maninwarren I am a staunch 9/11 Truther, but I've met boors who dis people like Sy Hersh for not going there. There was a big flap about Greg Palast calling Stephen Jones crazy a while back. It was awful. There are people who don't want to listen to the other stuff he says because he said that. The polemic is so hot it's almost that you have to gratuitously call Truthers "nutcases" now in order to get on the air or in print. I think it's best for the truth that this not be made into a test for one's fitness to engage in the public arena. That means you don't dis people for not addressing it, and you don't dis people for addressing it. When someone goes out of their way to impugn Truthers' integrity, we have a cow, and I think we have to watch doing the inverse.

COMMENT #143 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 6:34 pm PT...





The crux of my problem on this thread seems to be that I thought we were on the one about Google seeming to bury this post, and that I know the thrust of both posts is Sibel's decision to goad the media... not the 9/11 bits. But underlying even that is the fact that about once every three months or so there is a fresh push from her camp and it ALWAYS amounts to bubkes. It is public knowledge that she's been gagged on the pretext of "national security", but that pretext was made legally binding by a judge. WHAT media outlet is going to risk running with her story when it would get them in as much or more trouble than her? I don't think she's a stupid person, so I know she knows in advance that nobody is going to take her up on this offer. So is her intent to show the media for what they are? Pfeh. Hardly necessary. So that leaves me with only two other ideas about why she's piping up again: [1] she's afraid she'll be disappeared if we forget about her; or [2] that she craves the attention... doesn't want to just go gently into that good night. So. Any way you slice it, this thing irks the snot out of me.

COMMENT #144 [Permalink]

... Big Dan said on 11/1/2007 @ 7:07 pm PT...





Holy Crappoli! I missed this thread getting so big!

COMMENT #145 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 7:10 pm PT...





BIG Dan! Make it BIGGER!

COMMENT #146 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/1/2007 @ 7:13 pm PT...





I think it (the tensions on this thread and so many others) boils down to this: WHAT THE FUCK CAN WE DO WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME?????

None of us know, and we're all doing what we can, saying what we can, hoping it will make another tiny little difference, until maybe all the tiny little differences reach a critical mass that makes a real difference, the BIG difference we all want.

(Apologies to any atheists in the audience, but...) may God bless our efforts, infinitesimal as they may be.

COMMENT #147 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 7:29 pm PT...





I'm beginning to think we would all do the most if we put in with Naomi Wolf, like a bunch of organizations are doing. She's VERY clear on the concept, the very kernel of the problem, and everyone who wants our country back, no matter what party or what they think about 9/11 should be throwing in with her. I think 9/11 Truth would pull the pins right out from under the fascists, but so would masses of people from every background joining to stop them and put our Constitution back together. We really have to cut the polemicism and get TO it! Maybe Sibel's Whistle Blower Coalition could join, too... and, Brad, how about Velvet Revolution?

COMMENT #148 [Permalink]

... monkframe said on 11/1/2007 @ 7:50 pm PT...





I second those who advocate Ms. Edmonds giving an interview to Greg Palast.

At least he'll double check what she says and tell us if it checks out. And it'll get back to us through Democracy Now and other alternative media sources.

Does anybody really think the mainstream media in the US will touch this w/a ten-foot pole?

Forget it, we live in Potemkin Village.

COMMENT #149 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/1/2007 @ 8:36 pm PT...





From Agent99:

I think 9/11 Truth would pull the pins right out from under the fascists, but so would masses of people from every background joining to stop them and put our Constitution back together. We really have to cut the polemicism and get TO it! I'm really not trying to bust your... whatever (not knowing your gender)... but get TO what? I visited Naomi Wolf's website, and the "take action" items she lists are signing online petitions and calling your congresspeople. None of us are willing to say it, but that stuff is garbage. Did the Democrats NOT get the message before the 2006 elections? Of course they did! And when they got our votes, and regained Congress, what did they proceed to do? They proceed to make Neville Chamberlain look like f'ing Rambo! Showing people why 9/11 was an inside job, until so many people see it that it breaks into the mainstream media dialog is --- yes, a long shot --- but I think it's also the only way. The only way short of... Walkouts. The masses you mention could make a very powerful statement if tens of thousands of them refused to show up for work as a statement of protest. But as I said above, that ain't gonna happen, in this nation of parasites (don't worry, I'm one too), until we have less to lose by walking out than we do by staying on the job. And by then it's too late.

Keep talking about 9/11, tell anyone who'll listen why you think what you do. And keep on posting. Imagine if, for instance, the Nation stopped beginning articles with crap like this: "Not to stoke any of the inane conspiracy theories running wild on the Internet, but if Osama bin Laden wasn't on the payroll of Lockheed Martin or some other large defense contractor, he deserves to have been." (Source: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071112/truthdig). Imagine if they gave SOME credence to 9/11 Truth? How many people would that effect? Ripples in a pond...

COMMENT #150 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 8:59 pm PT...





I don't mean signing petitions. They don't listen. I mean powerful groups are joining up with her and I mean many more such need to join and it isn't petitioning but everyone insisting to each other and to anyone around us that fascism is upon us, and WE WILL NOT HAVE IT. You need to listen to her speak to see how big a deal it is that: ACLU of Southern California

Amnesty International USA

Brennan Center for Justice

Campaign to Defend the Constitution

Center for Constitutional Rights

Electronic Frontier Foundation

Human Rights Watch

MoveOn.org

True Majority have already joined up. All ten of the things dictators do to shift a democracy to a dictatorship have been done. We are in grave and immediate danger. We have the choice between laying down for it like Germany (and so many other countries) did and mowing them down with our collective demands for America back. The ONE thing they cannot stand against is mass resistance. The masses are ready. They just need a path. Truthers need to join with believers in the official story; Republicans and Democrats; Independents and Libertarians, EVERYBODY who believes in the Constitution. Here's an hour of Al Gore on MLK Day 2006 that ought to convince you that it is possible, and that we should all be asking him to lead. I just got done listening to it again, and it just blows my mind that it's been nearly two years and not thing one has been done about it. He was warning of stuff then that is all too real now. You really have to hear Naomi though. It's so seriously time to stop fighting and MAKE our Constitution come back.

COMMENT #151 [Permalink]

... Lev said on 11/1/2007 @ 9:17 pm PT...





Agent 99: Your apology is accepted. And I wasn't trying to "dictate" anything to the blog, but suggesting that a greater effort be made on the 9/11 truth issue than currently is, since it's the paramount issue of our times and the foundational myth for 99% of the mess here and abroad, that's all. "So is her intent to show the media for what they are? Pfeh. Hardly necessary. So that leaves me with only two other ideas about why she's piping up again: [1] she's afraid she'll be disappeared if we forget about her; or [2] that she craves the attention..." or [3] she's part of the cover-up whose job is to solidify a limited hangout, which explains why she a.) is still alive; b.) has a propensity to leak bits of information, just look at her website for example, and with no consequences; c.) telegraphed this current "disclosure" in advance without fear of reprisal from the regime; and d.) seems to have faith in the "nineteen hijackers" myth. or [4] her job is to become the spokesperson for 9/11 truth and then come out with some nonsense that discredits the movement. As it is her adherance to the offical myth's main tenets is plenty discrediting in and of itself, but if this is her task then don't be surprised if she REALLY tries to poison the well shortly. ManInWarren: No I don't think you are being polyanna-ish, you're just considering all possibilities which is good. I also have considered this possibility, as I've run into the same cognitive dissonance from many people including my father regarding being able to get right up to the edge of it but just can't let themselves admit it. But I find working against that in her case is that it would make more sense for her then to recoil from the issue but instead she makes 9/11 a big part of what she talks about. I wouldn't think if she has come face to face with the impossibility of the official myth, and isn't psychologically strong enough to accept the truth, I wouldn't think she would then become a whistleblower and try to expose things including things purportedly regarding 9/11. Also consider that any objective observer at this point can see that the Cheney regime lied, misled and bullied the American people into a war in Iraq that didn't have to be fought, and because of these lies, distortions and innuendo more Americans are dead now than were killed on 9/11 and that number is infinitesimal compared to the number of Iraqis killed, and it's ongoing. So considering that, it would be kinda hard for her or someone else to turn around and say "but there's no way they would be so coldhearted as to be behind the 9/11 attacks". I've also considered the possibility that maybe she was genuinely picking up on the phony trail of "evidence" left behind by the C.I.A. asset "hijacker" patsies, and never bothered to look into any other aspects of 9/11 including the impossibility of said "hijacker" patsies being able to pull off what they're accused of doing not to mention their lack of requisite religious devotion. But this prospect unravels itself when one considers that she is apparantly an intelligent woman, and a curious woman, so I would find it highly unlikely that she wouldn't be inclined to look into any other details of the 9/11 events in the 6 + years since it happened. I would love to believe this woman is genuine and is what we have been hoping for regarding 9/11 truth, but it looks like the odds of that are pretty slim.

COMMENT #152 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/1/2007 @ 10:22 pm PT...





I reject [3] and [4]. Limited hangouts are for the complicit and she is not complicit, and wouldn't even be asked such a thing... no reason for it whatever. They have gagged her and it is the best policy to ignore her to the greatest extent possible, which is beyond the pale nowadays, with Congress and the media this well controlled, cowed, if you will. Her bursts of tidbits are completely understandable when this frustrated. It isn't as though what she has to say, and has already said, is minor stuff, and it would drive anyone stark raving mad that nothing was being done about it. And the thought that she wants to poison the well on the Truth is just ludicrous. Enough people know the particulars now that she really doesn't even have to worry about being disappeared anymore either... unless it will be after the Blackwater Shirts have everyone under control and they want to nail her just for spite.

COMMENT #153 [Permalink]

... maninwarren said on 11/2/2007 @ 9:32 am PT...





Agent 99, I listened to that talk by Naomi Wolf you linked to. She did a brilliant job of showing why we are on the road --- very far down the road, in fact --- to becoming a fascist state. But despite her claims to the contrary, I don't think she really offered much hope. She spoke of goals (impeaching the president) and generalities (people "rising up" to force legislative change), but without offering any real, practical steps that would get us there. Strikes, walkouts, boycotts, etc exist for a reason: they are material measures that people can take to measurably affect the status quo, in hopes of effecting change. Petitions and week-end rallies in Washington have proven useless. I'm not nit-picking here. What talks like hers do, I believe, is to reassure people that they will not have to give up their comfort --- not really --- in order to effect change; which is ironic, because she did, as I said, a brilliant job of showing just how f'd up we are, and how perfectly our current regime is following in the footsteps of the psychotic fascist regimes that we're all, at least academically, familiar with. Could a regime like that be forced to surrender its power through normal, institutionalized means? History seems to say, "no". Watching her, it became clearer to me what the choices really are: truly rise up, and do things that truly put your job, your economic well-being, your freedom, and perhaps even your life at risk; or risk nothing by employing impotent tactics that let you harbor the illusion that you're doing something. I think Americans (myself included) are the most comfort-addicted people on the planet; and they will opt for the latter. The people in power have studied their Goebbels and Stalin well: we all know very well what can happen to us if we become a real threat, and it's damn scary stuff. That much scarier to people who for generations have lived at our incredibly cushy standard of living. One final thought: most of us here probably watched the movie "Gandhi"; remember the scene where the Indian protesters are marching in a line toward some British soldiers, just to get their heads bashed by said soldiers? And yet, when we talk about "fascists" and "closed societies", I think it's safe to say that most of us don't think of the British occupation of India. "It wasn't a good thing," we think, "but it was nothing like Nazi Germany". But those Indians got there heads bashed. Some died, many were imprisoned. Writing to their congressmen, going to conventions to hear brilliant speakers, clearly wasn't enough. And I'd take the British occupation of India over what the madmen currently in power clearly plan for us, any day of the week.

COMMENT #154 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 11/2/2007 @ 10:22 am PT...





Well, thank you very much indeed for taking that time. I don't think she's trying to be calming or reassuring at all. She could hardly stand up and invoke armed insurrection. I think it's true that it need not invovle any violence being done to anyone on any side, but the deal about determined masses is that they form the idea in officials' heads that they cannot get away with attempts at oppression. The knowing very well what can happen to us part, the comfort-addicted part is entirely true. All the guys spilling out onto the beaches at Normandy were the same, but they did it out of love for us and the Constitution. It is true that we would not have to give up our comfort if enough of us became determined enough that this stop. Things like, say, Nancy Pelosi not being able to set foot in "polite" society without catching it from anyone she meets would immediately start getting the job done. And people getting ahold of every organization to which they belong and getting them to sign on with the American Freedom Campaign would go a long way. MoveOn is a powerful PAC, a