(12:18:51 am) PhilPurr: Ive been told that you want to talk to me

(12:32:21 am) Leon Leonardo: Who are you exactly?

(12:32:47 am) PhilPurr: the spokesperson, of sorts, for the furry freedom force

(12:34:24 am) PhilPurr: I dont like calling myself the leader because our entire team is important, but I guess that's what I am

(12:43:02 am) Leon Leonardo: Kay, again, I'm pretty sure your "team" is just you another guy. Maybe one or two more.

(12:43:07 am) Leon Leonardo: Secondly, you're just trolls.

(12:43:55 am) Leon Leonardo: Thirdly, any "cause" or "point" you might have is moot because you troll people trying to play a 2D sprite-based spaceman game. Making you worse than trash in my book.

(12:44:00 am) PhilPurr: you know, it's attitudes like this that make our cause really difficult

(12:44:28 am) PhilPurr: not just our cause, it also puts strain on your community

(12:44:41 am) Leon Leonardo: If you have something you ligitimately want to talk about, talk about it. Otherwise, fuck off.

(12:44:47 am) PhilPurr: of course I do

(12:45:10 am) PhilPurr: would you like to talk here?

(12:45:30 am) Leon Leonardo: I don't plan on giving you any other information.

(12:45:36 am) PhilPurr: I personally think some sort of thing like skype is great because it makes things more personal

(12:45:53 am) PhilPurr: fair enough, but there are others in the group that would like to say their opinions as well

(12:45:59 am) Leon Leonardo: I don't care.

(12:46:13 am) Leon Leonardo: As I've repeatedly said, you're just trolls.

(12:46:17 am) Leon Leonardo: So say what you have to say.

(12:47:15 am) PhilPurr: I'm not interested in listening to personal attacks or speaking to someone who won't listen no matter what

(12:47:48 am) PhilPurr: I'm not going to make any demands right now, but the minimum Ill ask is that you act civilly

(12:48:05 am) PhilPurr: Ive had productive and non-aggressive conversations with other admins before and I'd like to do the same here

(12:48:13 am) Leon Leonardo: You've done nothing but attack the server I admin for and you want me to act civily towards you?

(12:48:33 am) Leon Leonardo: Civility went out the window when you resorted to being assholes to people just trying to play a game.

(12:48:59 am) PhilPurr: I haven't done any attacks on citadel, personally

(12:49:26 am) Leon Leonardo: I don't care.

(12:50:03 am) Leon Leonardo: As far as I'm concerned, your "group" is fake.

(12:50:08 am) PhilPurr: the reason I ask for civility is because I don't think this conversation will go anywhere if you just think we're trolls

(12:50:38 am) PhilPurr: alright, well

(12:50:44 am) PhilPurr: what questions do you have about the FFF?

(12:50:46 am) PhilPurr: if any

(12:54:42 am) Leon Leonardo: Literally all you have done is troll and spam OOC

(12:54:50 am) Leon Leonardo: Just tell me what you want to tell me already.

(12:56:13 am) PhilPurr: so do you understand why we formed the group and why we attacked paradise?

(12:57:07 am) Leon Leonardo: Nope.

(12:58:04 am) PhilPurr: we began due to the blatant anti-furry sentiment on paradise

(12:58:29 am) Leon Leonardo: And you began to troll a mostly furry server

(12:58:31 am) Leon Leonardo: Sounds legit

(12:58:40 am) PhilPurr: they had recently added a fox race and there was enormous by the community because, in their words, it "attracts furries"

(12:58:46 am) PhilPurr: enormous backlash*

(12:59:12 am) PhilPurr: so we began to grief their server

(12:59:43 am) PhilPurr: it started off with me and a couple of friends who were also furries and play ss13

(1:00:00 am) PhilPurr: but it grew as furries liked our cause and wanted to fight against the discrimination

(1:00:29 am) PhilPurr: the reason we attacked citadel was because one of our members noticed that the sentiment towards the FFF was negative there

(1:01:02 am) PhilPurr: before we even griefed there

(1:01:27 am) PhilPurr: now it wasn't a hit to our pride that made us attack citadel

(1:02:01 am) PhilPurr: but it was the unfortunate lack of interest in stopping furry discrimination that seemed to be prevalent

(1:02:22 am) PhilPurr: a lot of furries on your server are of the belief that people who discriminate against us should be ignored

(1:02:35 am) PhilPurr: and that we should show that we're "better than them"

(1:02:42 am) PhilPurr: but we see that as giving up

(1:03:24 am) PhilPurr: no civil rights movement ever attained prominence or got anything done by giving up

(1:03:37 am) PhilPurr: the black community didn't gain rights by sitting around and pretending nothing was wrong

(1:04:09 am) Leon Leonardo: Okay, don't compare furries an shit to the black rights movement. You'll get no sympathy from me.

(1:04:19 am) Leon Leonardo: I've been in the furry community for nine years, okay?

(1:04:26 am) Leon Leonardo: You're not gonna change a bunch of internet assholes.

(1:04:34 am) Leon Leonardo: Especially by troling and shit.

(1:04:49 am) PhilPurr: why shouldn't I compare furries and shit to the black rights movement?

(1:05:29 am) Leon Leonardo: Because it's fake? You're not some race being discremenated against.

(1:06:16 am) PhilPurr: but as I was saying, the reason we do what we do on citadel is because people who are sympathetic and useful to our cause can join us, and the people who don't like the griefing attitude wouldn't have joined us in the first place

(1:06:44 am) PhilPurr: we're trying to recruit the people who want to enact change

(1:07:20 am) Leon Leonardo: Yeah, no.

(1:07:29 am) Leon Leonardo: You're not recruiting griefers from our server.

(1:07:40 am) Leon Leonardo: You can fuck right the hell off with that.

(1:07:51 am) PhilPurr: and perhaps a better comparison is with the LGBT community

(1:08:05 am) PhilPurr: and we are, and already have

(1:08:18 am) Leon Leonardo: Good for you. They'll get banned when they decide to grief as well.

(1:08:30 am) PhilPurr: they have not griefed on citadel, as far as I know

(1:08:38 am) Leon Leonardo: Seriously. stop bringing politics into a fucking video game.

(1:08:50 am) Leon Leonardo: Especially over something as stupid as this.

(1:08:52 am) PhilPurr: this isn't politics

(1:08:56 am) PhilPurr: it's active discrimination

(1:09:13 am) PhilPurr: if there was a server where the community actively discrimianted against gay people and called them faggots

(1:09:29 am) Leon Leonardo: So man the fuck up and deal with it instead of spending your free time trying to piss off people trying to play a fucking video game.

(1:09:52 am) Leon Leonardo: idgaf about your cause because you've done nothing but attack my server and player base

(1:10:01 am) PhilPurr: see, that's giving up

(1:10:09 am) Leon Leonardo: Yeah, no.

(1:10:18 am) Leon Leonardo: Giving up would be letting it happen.

(1:10:23 am) PhilPurr: exactly

(1:10:26 am) Leon Leonardo: You're just being a prick.

(1:10:28 am) Leon Leonardo: And

(1:10:30 am) Leon Leonardo: As I've said

(1:10:31 am) Leon Leonardo: Time and time again

(1:10:37 am) Leon Leonardo: You're just a troll at this point.

(1:10:53 am) PhilPurr: if we do nothing against anti-furry discrimination, we are letting it happen

(1:11:15 am) PhilPurr: we are implictly saying that it's okay

(1:11:26 am) Leon Leonardo: So be proactive.

(1:11:35 am) Leon Leonardo: You are going about it absolutely the worst fucking way possible

(1:12:02 am) Leon Leonardo: And ostracizing anyone who might of been sympathetic beforehand

(1:12:04 am) Leon Leonardo: Including myself.

(1:12:08 am) Leon Leonardo: I will have nothing to do with you.

(1:12:09 am) PhilPurr: we *are* being proactive dude

(1:12:12 am) Leon Leonardo: Period.

(1:12:15 am) Leon Leonardo: No

(1:12:19 am) Leon Leonardo: You're trolling

(1:12:22 am) Leon Leonardo: That's fucking stupid.

(1:12:24 am) Leon Leonardo: Seriously

(1:12:42 am) PhilPurr: what is proactive in your opinion?

(1:13:24 am) PhilPurr: and it's not very productive to call us trolls because we disagree on this topic

(1:13:51 am) Leon Leonardo: Your players have bombed our station multiple times

(1:13:56 am) Leon Leonardo: They've released plasma

(1:13:58 am) Leon Leonardo: Killed players

(1:14:03 am) Leon Leonardo: Ruined multiple rounds

(1:14:11 am) Leon Leonardo: i.e. TROLLING, dumbass

(1:14:24 am) Leon Leonardo: Do not try and pretty it up with some bullshit cause

(1:15:07 am) Leon Leonardo: I'm also done talking to you.

(1:15:15 am) Leon Leonardo: If you want to quit trolling our server, that would be great.

(1:15:31 am) PhilPurr: we do

(1:15:35 am) Leon Leonardo: If you want to stop trolling altogether, awesome, even better

(1:15:39 am) Leon Leonardo: More power to your cause.

(1:15:48 am) PhilPurr: understand that our attack on citadel is an intermediate

(1:16:00 am) Leon Leonardo: As far as recruiting people for trolling, no

(1:16:01 am) Leon Leonardo: Fuck you.

(1:16:09 am) Leon Leonardo: I will not condone that.

(1:16:14 am) Leon Leonardo: Under any circumstances

(1:16:15 am) PhilPurr: firstly, I'll ask you to calm down

(1:16:26 am) Leon Leonardo: I'm perfectly calm.

(1:16:37 am) PhilPurr: secondly, what we want most from the admins and community is an acknowledgement that there is a problem

(1:16:39 am) Leon Leonardo: If I were legitimately upset, we would not be talking.

(1:17:04 am) Leon Leonardo: Is internet discrimination a problem? Yes, is.

(1:17:22 am) Leon Leonardo: It's rampant, even.

(1:17:24 am) PhilPurr: it isn't internet discrimination

(1:17:32 am) PhilPurr: it's a reflection of real-world discrimination

(1:17:35 am) Leon Leonardo: But pissing people off who are trying to play a game?

(1:17:47 am) Leon Leonardo: I really don't care what you want to call it.

(1:17:54 am) PhilPurr: it's discrimination that ruins the enjoyment of the game for many people

(1:17:59 am) PhilPurr: including everyone in the FFF

(1:18:00 am) Leon Leonardo: You're trolling my fucking server and you're being a bunch of cunts.

(1:18:06 am) Leon Leonardo: And I would kindly like you to stop.

(1:18:19 am) Leon Leonardo: If you want me to give any serious consideration to your "cause"

(1:19:52 am) PhilPurr: of course, we'd love to not have to grief

(1:21:37 am) PhilPurr: but that depends greatly on your cooperation

(1:22:01 am) PhilPurr: we want the furry community, of which citadel is the greatest ambassador, to acknowledge the problem

(1:22:04 am) PhilPurr: and call other servers out on i

(1:22:07 am) PhilPurr: it*

(1:22:17 am) PhilPurr: we don't want you guys to grief, unless your players want to, of course

(1:22:21 am) PhilPurr: but we want public shaming

(1:22:43 am) Leon Leonardo: I'm not attacking any other servers for any reason, sorry.

(1:23:18 am) Leon Leonardo: I'm done talking to you. You can talk to the host if you want to.