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Here are the stats for different substrate. I have done at least 45 jars with all mixes now, so I will make the first table. I'll update it as I get more data.



1. 60/40 Oats/RB - Avg 149g - Low 47g - High 163g

2. Oats - Avg 142g - Low 31g - High 164g

3. RB - Avg 138g - Low 51g - High 167g

4. RB/RGS/Oats - Avg 88g - Low 9g - High 127g

5. RGS - Avg 77g - Low 2g - High 94g



All of the later jars (Most of them) were Mex A. Some of the earlier ones were Galindoi.



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Just harvested the 12 RGS jars. Average harvest at 7 weeks was pitiful compared to results I've had in the past with other substrates. Average yield per quart 54 wet grams, or about 18 grams dry. I'm used to pulling over 100, sometimes 150 wet grams out of RB, so it will be interesting to see how the other substrates do. All of the oat jars are completely colonized but still not producing stones...so far oats win by a huge margin for colonization time but RB and Mix have more stones in the jars.



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Thank you for the write up!



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Excellent writeup!



Leave an Oat jar for 4 months, I'd love to see the finals from that - include stone photos too!



Are you incubating at a certain temp level, or just going with room temp?



I've found playing with the water levels creates different forms of mycelium growth in corresponding jars.. the higher the water content the more lazy the jars become for stone production and the sclerotia "caking" layer against the jars/bags becomes more spongy and dense - giving less room to stone growth..



Dropping my water content below cubensis "optimum" led to better formed stones and much less spongy caking..



Awesome work there!



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Excellent writeup!



Leave an Oat jar for 4 months, I'd love to see the finals from that - include stone photos too!



Are you incubating at a certain temp level, or just going with room temp?



I've found playing with the water levels creates different forms of mycelium growth in corresponding jars.. the higher the water content the more lazy the jars become for stone production and the sclerotia "caking" layer against the jars/bags becomes more spongy and dense - giving less room to stone growth..



Dropping my water content below cubensis "optimum" led to better formed stones and much less spongy caking..



Awesome work there!



Keep it up..







Agreed. Cooler temps with proper moisture content can yield some serious stonage. I hit 170g on a few jars from my most recent batch. Potent too, especially after 6 months.



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Nice job keep it up.



Have u made stones with any other strain ?









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I would like to try pearl barley for sclerotia, it has the hull removed so I think the sclerotia will easily rip through it



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Sorry it took so long to reply, the Shroomery would not load on my computer for around 2 hours.



I set aside several of each jar to see how they did after 4+ months. I usually harvest at 8 weeks.



In regard to the strain question, I've done Mex A, Galindoi, and Jalisco. Jalisco sucks for stones, seriously, don't even bother. Mex A gave me the best yields, but I still favor Galindoi due to faster colonization and more potent stones. I don't get visuals often on cubensis, but I get them on Galindoi every time. Others who have had my stones tell me that Mex A is better, but my personal preference is Galindoi.



Just did 4 more sets of 12 jars today, will try to do better with pictures this time. I notice that more oats has a very definite correlation to faster colonization times, so I'm doing another mix of 70/30 RB/Oats.



All of my test jars are kept near the ceiling in a temperature controlled grow room. The temperature is the same for all jars.



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I'm curious if the grain variations have changed the flavor of your stones noticeably?



I'm definitely going to have to re-awaken mexA..



Do you take any of these to fruiting after stone harvests?



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Interesting. got some Galindoi rye jars that just hit their 4mth mark, 2 more months to go.



Would love to try MEx A next, but AFAIK Sporeworks is out of stock atm.



As for what you said about dosage misinformation, care to elaborate on your experience with both Galindoi and Mex A speccific doses?



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My galindoi experiences dosage wise...



1-2 grams fresh: Energy boosting, crisp vision and color enhancements, elated mood, clear mental focus and capable of going to work or doing regular routine daily tasks



3-8 grams fresh: Strong energy booster - like 4shots of espresso.. vision enhancements, minor prism effects in visual awareness.. capable of hanging around the house doing chores, cleaning, goofing off.. I probably wouldn't wander into town myself unless I had too.. but more than capable of an emergency run to the grocery store..



8-15 grams fresh: Light to moderate visuals, prisms, body energy high enough to feel odd at times.. strong closed eye visuals, probably not capable of major social functions, loss of thought patterns, easily distracted, large body high.



15-25 grams fresh: Beginning of ego seperation's, solid visuals open and closed eyed, auditory hallucinations, body rushes, disorientation during peak moments, moderate trouble focusing real world with hallucinogenic fantasy thoughts/realm.. don't go out unless its in the boonies or a phish concert..



25-50 grams... I stopped going higher than 34 grams.. at 34 grams it was like walking into gods living room and having a fireside chat with an old friend.. I visited once and figured I'd save that journey for special occasions from now on..







When I dry mine, powder and make tea.. 10grams powdered puts me back on that couch...



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My galindoi experiences dosage wise...



1-2 grams fresh: Energy boosting, crisp vision and color enhancements, elated mood, clear mental focus and capable of going to work or doing regular routine daily tasks



3-8 grams fresh: Strong energy booster - like 4shots of espresso.. vision enhancements, minor prism effects in visual awareness.. capable of hanging around the house doing chores, cleaning, goofing off.. I probably wouldn't wander into town myself unless I had too.. but more than capable of an emergency run to the grocery store..



8-15 grams fresh: Light to moderate visuals, prisms, body energy high enough to feel odd at times.. strong closed eye visuals, probably not capable of major social functions, loss of thought patterns, easily distracted, large body high.



15-25 grams fresh: Beginning of ego seperation's, solid visuals open and closed eyed, auditory hallucinations, body rushes, disorientation during peak moments, moderate trouble focusing real world with hallucinogenic fantasy thoughts/realm.. don't go out unless its in the boonies or a phish concert..



25-50 grams... I stopped going higher than 34 grams.. at 34 grams it was like walking into gods living room and having a fireside chat with an old friend.. I visited once and figured I'd save that journey for special occasions from now on..







When I dry mine, powder and make tea.. 10grams powdered puts me back on that couch...







Interesting...it only takes me about 10g fresh to get to the point of social inability. I seem to be sensitive to psychoactives in general, though.



People like to say they're 2/3 as potent as cubensis when dry. IME, they're just as potent and the trip tends to last longer.



Also, it is important to note that how you eat stones plays a large role in the trip. Chew them just enough to swallow the large chunks, and you'll be tripping for 6-8 hours. Chew them a lot, powder them, or make tea, and it will hit you harder and for less time.



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The truffle tea is the way to go. Such a good time. I find the truffle trip to be more "linear" than cubensis. I feel that cubensis is more "rocky" or "wavy." When tripping on cubensis, at times I feel I am almost not tripping, but then all of the sudden I have this "Oh Shit, I am tripping balls" moments. Truffles seem less prone to that. That said, this is likely all in my head and has nothing to do with the fact that they both contain psilocybin.



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Back to the OP, I hope that RB turns out to be the best (cos that's what I got )

But the mix sounds interesting, and if I were mycelium I'd like having a variety to munch on too.

Maybe its my attention span today, but its hard sifting thru the posts to find results.

Maybe a helpful quantitative table in the OP when the results are in?



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The truffle tea is the way to go. Such a good time. I find the truffle trip to be more "linear" than cubensis. I feel that cubensis is more "rocky" or "wavy." When tripping on cubensis, at times I feel I am almost not tripping, but then all of the sudden I have this "Oh Shit, I am tripping balls" moments. Truffles seem less prone to that. That said, this is likely all in my head and has nothing to do with the fact that they both contain psilocybin.







I agree with all of these statements, but my favored method of dosing is to swallow them as whole as possible if they are fresh. The trip lasts between 4 and 8 hours that way, and it is a very energetic and "clean" trip. This is why I don't grow cubensis any more.



Someone asked if I ever grow them to the fruiting stage...I do not. I grow only sclerotia. This way I can do everything open air (See my sig) and can move the entire op is about 5 minutes in 5 plastic totes. Much more low-key, and I prefer stones to cubensis anyway. It's too bad I can't safely give them away in my country. I have a hobby that produces a lot more than I ingest, and even if I were stupid enough to sell you can't sell stones. Hopefully they have a long shelf life dried and vacuum sealed. I also tried vac sealing and freezing, seems to work well.



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Back to the OP, I hope that RB turns out to be the best (cos that's what I got )

But the mix sounds interesting, and if I were mycelium I'd like having a variety to munch on too.

Maybe its my attention span today, but its hard sifting thru the posts to find results.

Maybe a helpful quantitative table in the OP when the results are in?







I will definitely make a table once I have enough results to make realistic averages. Good suggestion.



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Stones in my area are sold in abundance, illegally of course.. it just took a little guinea pigging to build a good knowledge base in the psychonaught pool...



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Quick post to follow this thread since I'm interested in sclerotia...



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The oat jars have exploded with new stone growth in the past few days. I did a batch of 100% Oat jars on 10/31. They have been fully colonized for about a week and are now growing sclerotia. Glad to see it finally start to happen, I'm used to seeing stones form before full colonization.



I'd really like to learn agar soon. Seems a good isolate is what you really want for maximum volume.



I forgot to mention substrate affecting taste...it definitely does. They taste way better on RB than they do on RGS (Not that I'll ever use RGS for stones again anyway). I hate the taste of cubensis and also sclerotia to a lesser degree, but the RGS stones were disgusting. They were also not as potent. People reported my Galindoi stones grown on RB were better than any shrooms they've ever had, but reported the RGS stones were so-so. I don't think RGS has as many of the necessary nutrients as other substrate. I'm curious to see how they'll taste on oats.



Snapped a couple quick pics. The one that says 10/16 on it is a mixed substrate, the one that says 10/31 is Oats.











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Loving the information exchange going on in this thread Thank you all for contributing your experiences



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I have a theory on sclerotia development after watching about a hundred jars colonize. The sclerotia nearly always form just on the outside of the substrate. I just went to the grocery store and got some long and thin 72oz food storage containers. There is much more surface area against the plastic than there is in a jar. I'm preparing and inoculating them today, will snap some pics and show you how I make them.



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Here's a pic of these new containers I made. They are 72oz, more than twice the size of a quart jar. The surface area on all sides is MUCH bigger than a quart jar, and I think this will make the sclerotia want to grow better. Most of my growth is usually on the bottom of the jar and that is where the most surface area is. Also, the mycelium should have much better access to gas exchange because of the increased surface area on top.



There are two 3/8" holes under the filter disc. I scratched the area around them with 80 grit sandpaper. It has one inoculation port made of gasket grade flexible silicone. Notice how I put a lot more silicone on the underside...this is because it makes finding the hole through the silicone much easier when inoculating while still giving you a lot of silicone to pass the needle through.







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Really interested in hearing how your plastic tek turns out. I'm planning on jumping into sclerotia this weekend, but my PC is pretty small, so that approach would be much better for me.



Please keep up up to date on details!!







I can fit 4 of these into an All American 925, and 3 into my Presto. I had to cut off the lip you grab to pull the lids off to get them to fit in my 925, but they fit great now.



Here is how it breaks down if I'm using the 925, which fits 12 quart jars...



72oz X 4 = 288oz

32oz X 12 = 384oz



The quart jars get more substrate in per cook, but you also have to deal with 12 separate jars and make 12 different GE lids...I like the plastic better so far, but we'll see how reliable it is. I sealed the lids with a small bead of silicone to ensure an air-tight seal and no accidents where the lid pops off while I'm handling them. The lids will still pull off fine once I harvest, and I can make a new seal next time. I did one with no seal to see what happens. They're pressure cooking right now.



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Also, the mycelium should have much better access to gas exchange because of the increased surface area on top.







Wouldn't there also be a greater chance of the myc drying out too quickly? Esp if you're leaving it in for the golden 6 months. Maybe not though, if the GE filter is up to par.



In any case, looking forward to more updates from you! I don't have personal experience re: stones forming more against the glass, that's something I'll have to take note of when I harvest my jars. But my first thought is-- how do they manage then, out in the wild where there is no container surface to form stones against.



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I completely agree on the surface area available and number of stones developing.. i've seen it over and over..



I've started taking my bags on the final shake (80%colonized) and then smash them flat from both sides.. I then build rows with the colonizing bags so that they hold each other in a narrow/tall formation, instead of 10 fat bottom bags, I fit 20 tall smooshed bags..



Doing this greatly increased the surface area of the grain touching the bag.. I then let them finish colonizing in this position. I had to drop the room temp 5-10 degrees to make up for the close contact of the bags and the thermophilic reaction of the greater density of the grain(stacked touching each other). It raised my stone weights per bag by at least a 20% jump.



When harvesting one of these taller bags versus the fat bottom bags.. the fat bottom bags have a central area where the sclerotia forming layer doesn't penetrate, and instead has a whispy loosely connect mycelium that seems to serve little purpose in the sclerotia.. but the taller bags do not contain this form of mycelial growth.. it becomes a solid caking of the sclerotia producing section of the mycelium.



I think this is one of the reasons that jars seem to out perform bags for weight of harvest... the mycelium has a better opportunity to grow stones with the correct amount of substrate versus surface area.. once you go past a ratio of substrate to surface area you begin loosing efficiency with your grain..



Firm believer in the surface area provided for stones to develop.

Would love to see more people experiment and post results..



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Using oats sounds interesting.



not really sure how you are making the oat jars up. You say in the OP that you use 16+ cups of oats and cover with lots of water add a little gypsum and coffee, then simmer for 2 hours. ? Wouldn't you end up with a massive pot of porridge?



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Yes I am also confused as to how you prepared the grains. Would simply doing a 2:1 oats/berries mixture:weak coffee in the jar, shaking and soaking for a few hours before pressure cooking work just as well?



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Using oats sounds interesting.



not really sure how you are making the oat jars up. You say in the OP that you use 16+ cups of oats and cover with lots of water add a little gypsum and coffee, then simmer for 2 hours. ? Wouldn't you end up with a massive pot of porridge?



looking forward to seeing how the oat jars pan out for you.







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Yes I am also confused as to how you prepared the grains. Would simply doing a 2:1 oats/berries mixture:weak coffee in the jar, shaking and soaking for a few hours before pressure cooking work just as well?







You have to use whole oats, NOT oatmeal. Two different things. Oatmeal looks like a rye berry wrapped in a grass seed shaped shell.



I add the amount to be used (Oats do not expand as much as RB, keep this in mind) to my Presto 21qt cooker and mix in the water, 1tpsp coffee grounds, and 2tbsp gypsum. I use about 20 cups of oats to make 12 qt jars, and you have to adjust the amount of coffee grounds/gypsum if you make less. You want the oats cooked so that the internal grain does not mush, and can only be penetrated by a fingernail. easily. It is fine if the outside is soggy, the rest cooks into the grain during the PC. You want the outer shell to stay somewhat moist, it provides a perfect launchpad for the mycelium. Colonization is usually apparent in 48 hours with a honey LC.



The oat jar sclerotia have become visibly bigger today, they are really taking off fast.



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Have you ever used WBS (how were results). I have 9 Mexicana Qts with



WBS, 4 of them have signs of growth after 12 days, but the others have



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Have you ever used WBS (how were results). I have 9 Mexicana Qts with



WBS, 4 of them have signs of growth after 12 days, but the others have



none. Would I be able to G2G these from WBS to Oats or RGS?







You can G2G, but only with a glovebox or flow hood. I would never attempt G2G open air. WBS is a bad choice for sclerotia species, but it will work. Have fun cleaning the millet off your stones once you harvest.



Oats are far superior to WBS for sclerotia from what I can tell so far, and they are $9/32lb at my local feed store. VERY cheap for substrate...



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This is my 1st time w/ sclerotia, I will G2G in a glovebox to some Oats when their ready. I will also be tring to fruit mine. Thank for the advise.



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This is my 1st time w/ sclerotia, I will G2G in a still air box to those Oats when their ready. I will also be tring to fruit mine. Thank for the advise.







I would still not G2G with more than one of the WBS jars if you're doing it in a still air box. Your chances still aren't very good for G2G in anything short of a sterilized glovebox or in front of a flow hood.



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I have a theory on sclerotia development after watching about a hundred jars colonize. The sclerotia nearly always form just on the outside of the substrate.





This is well known, search some old posts. I, and others, were discussing putting "interfaces" into jars for the stones to grow up against, e.g. putting in plastic discs so there is lots of surface area.



I never got around to trying it, I have had good results using huge amounts of LC on grains, you leave them purposely dry and add back the moisture in the form of LC, this means you do not have to shake.



So if you have a large jar full of discs you no not have to worry about having to shake them.



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The jars made with %100 oats are progressing extremely well. They took a few days to start making stones, but they are growing them at a much faster rate than my RB jars are. I think it's safe to say at this point that oats work well for Galindoi, but I haven't actually harvested these yet so we will see.



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Keep us updated. I am getting ready to start a few jars with LC and i think I may try one or two with oats that I just let soak for a few hours before PCing, just to see if it is still better than rgs without the cooking.



I have a one quart jar of rgs (my first/practice sclerotia attempt) that is about 2 weeks old and the top has barely colonized, with the fuzz only going down about a half inch. Very disappointing, however I believe it is mainly due to too much water based on some stuff i've read. Anyway, I'll be using rye berries or oats for the next batch of jars for sure.



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Update on the oats. Here's the same jar you saw a few days ago, was inoculated with 10cc of Galindoi LC on 10/31.















Hard to tell, but it looks like there is at least 20g dry in there. Not bad for 3 1/2 weeks.



Here's a random pic of the pimpin' magnetic stirrer I made last night. I used a 3 speed Antec fan I had from my old gaming PC, a hard drive magnet, 8 pennies, a bit of duct tape, an old GoPhone adapter, and a piece of clear plastic cut from a clear plastic bin. All of it was free.







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I harvested the pictured jar. Wet weight was 57.4 g at 27 days.



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I am new to ATL7.

Does the mycelium for ATL#7 look different than cubes? It looks like its lighter to me. is this normal?



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Here's a random pic of the pimpin' magnetic stirrer I made last night. I used a 3 speed Antec fan I had from my old gaming PC, a hard drive magnet, 8 pennies, a bit of duct tape, an old GoPhone adapter, and a piece of clear plastic cut from a clear plastic bin. All of it was free.









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I am new to ATL7.

Does the mycelium for ATL#7 look different than cubes? It looks like its lighter to me. is this normal?







Yep, smells different too. I love the smell it makes in tubs with coir, better than flowers.



The pennies were used to space the plastic cover away from the fan and magnet. You want a slow stir, and 2 pennies stacked dialed it in just right.



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You have to use whole oats, NOT oatmeal.







SB-2, which one of these would be the correct type of oats to use:



1.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/pro ducer-s-pride-reg-oats-50-lb--505 0123



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http://www.tractorsupply.com/pro ducer-s-pride-reg-rolled-oats-50- lb--5050107



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Yep, you want #1. The oats you should use are unprocessed and still have the shell on them.



I became interested in oats because they're so cheap and available almost anywhere. Tractor Supply/Rural King has them around $16 for 50lbs.



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Awesome. Thanks! Yea, the last bag of organic rye berries I bought set me back $55 for 50 pounds. Oats for sclerotia definitely look promising for a number of reasons.



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I just bought a bag of the stuff you linked to from Tractor Supply. It's not as good as the stuff I got from a seed store, there is some oat debris mixed in and some of the oats are green. I'm cooking up a batch now, will let you know how it goes.



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I just bought a bag of the stuff you linked to from Tractor Supply. It's not as good as the stuff I got from a seed store, there is some oat debris mixed in and some of the oats are green. I'm cooking up a batch now, will let you know how it goes.







Cool, please do let me know your opinion on it. I was planning to pick up a bag soon, but I'll wait for your report first now I think. I appreciate the research you are doing!



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Cool, please do let me know your opinion on it. I was planning to pick up a bag soon, but I'll wait for your report first now I think. I appreciate the research you are doing!







It looks good after cooking, but only time will tell as to whether the extra debris makes a difference. I do not ever rinse my grains, if one were to do that this would be a non-issue. I'd say this stuff will work fine.



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Do the sclerotia species require a 1.5" sub depth and a casing layer like pan cyans?



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Hm, not sure. I just made 3 tubs 1.5" to 4" and cased. We'll see. I'd wager a casing would help a lot.



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3 sets of 12 jars have reached 2 months. I will be harvesting soon and updating the first post with some average yield information. I will continue to update the averages as I harvest more.



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Small update...still haven't harvested the 3 sets of 12 jars because the growth rate appears to be accelerating. I will probably wait to harvest most of them until 3 months, but I harvested 2 of each.



Oats came in first with 98g and 133g at 62 days



Mix (50/50 Oats/RB) came in second with 82g and 114g



Rye Berries came in last (But still good) at 84g and 89g



These were harvested at just over 2 months, so I am very satisfied with the results. I got 1oz or more dry out of all the jars.



These results come from Galindoi, and compared to what I read about this strain that is pretty good for 2 months. I'm particularly excited about the oats doing so well...oats are widely and cheaply available, so they may solve the problem of substrate availability for lots of growers.



I've inoculated a bunch of jars with Mexicana A, we'll see how that goes.



One more thing..I did a few jars without coffee just to see if it makes that big of a difference. It really does. The jars colonized a bit faster without it, but sclerotia formation was severely stunted. Haven't harvested yet, but I expect no more than 30g fresh out of any of them at the 2 month mark.



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Have a read of this thread -a patent (with Albert Hofmann involved) about growing sclerotia and myc on semi solid agar, it would make harvesting extremely easy.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ showflat.php/Number/7680813



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Have a read of this thread -a patent (with Albert Hofmann involved) about growing sclerotia and myc on semi solid agar, it would make harvesting extremely easy.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ showflat.php/Number/7680813







Is there a tek somewhere for this that you know of where someone has done with more at-home-type equipment? Searching didn't turn up much but I wasn't really sure what to search for... Seems like it could be useful for personal, stealthy growing maybe?



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This is the only other thread with people growing on soft agar. You can see people dismissing it, they were all missing the point, growing on soft agar is the most important bit. Trying to harvest from LC is bullshit, this is what has given it a bad name. And I doubt you yeild as much on grain in a jar of a similar size either.



The poster of this thread only has a few posts, but he is no newbie, I know that for sure.



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Oats came in first with 98g and 133g at 62 days



Mix (50/50 Oats/RB) came in second with 82g and 114g



Rye Berries came in last (But still good) at 84g and 89g



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I'm pretty stoked with those results you got, especially considering the cost difference between Rye berries and Oats I have to pay! Thank you for your research and contributions to the knowledge base.



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I don't do agar, only Malt/Dextrose LC. Used with a magnetic stirrer, LC is faster. Note that I'm talking about Malt/Dextrose LC, not Karo or honey. Karo/Honey SUCKS next to Malt/Dex. I can't believe I used honey as long as I did...



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Oats came in first with 98g and 133g at 62 days



Mix (50/50 Oats/RB) came in second with 82g and 114g



Rye Berries came in last (But still good) at 84g and 89g



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I'm pretty stoked with those results you got, especially considering the cost difference between Rye berries and Oats I have to pay! Thank you for your research and contributions to the knowledge base.







No problem, hopefully the knowledge that oats do work well will help a lot of low budget grows.



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One more thing..I did a few jars without coffee just to see if it makes that big of a difference. It really does. The jars colonized a bit faster without it, but sclerotia formation was severely stunted. Haven't harvested yet, but I expect no more than 30g fresh out of any of them at the 2 month mark.







So you're saying that you expect to get 3-4.5 times less sclerotia mass by excluding coffee? That seems amazing.



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Before I started using coffee, yields were usually 40-70g. Coffee does make a big difference.



It's easy to use too much (Or too strong, rather) coffee. Make sure to use weak coffee, and always use gypsum if you do coffee soak. Also, if you add the coffee grounds while soaking like I do, let the grounds soak for a while BEFORE adding your grain.



When I do 12 jars, I use 10 cups of RB and 8 cups of oats. I cover with about 4" of water, and a large pinch of coffee between by thumb and index finger is perfect. Not very scientific, but it works every time.



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I agree completely on the coffee..

5gallon bucket 2/3 full of grain, fist full of freshly used espresso grounds, then filled to the top with water for the soak, I then use this same soak water in the boil.. what falls out at straining, falls out..



the mycelium will far out perform un-coffee'd grain.

And the stone production levels are dramatically increased.. I pondered if the mycelium was using the coffee particles as foundation for stone formation..



I accidentally ran a batch of grain of 50 mycobags with no coffee, but didn't catch the mistake until a month after colonization had taken place.. the effects were obvious when compared to the same isolations grown on coffee'd bags.. they looked a month apart in age and stones were almost non-existent compared to the properly made bags..



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I inoculated this jar with atl7 spores Nov-22 and it has some pretty thin myc compared to my cube myc. How long till this jar fully colonizes? I'm guessing about 45 days. The jar on the right is cube and left atl7







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Thsi thread has so much good information. What is the outcome of the oats you got at T&S?











That's at about a week...7 or 8 days. It was a honey LC, though. One of my last ones. The malt/dex LC's usually have them 70-90% colonized by this point.



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I inoculated this jar with atl7 spores Nov-22 and it has some pretty thin myc compared to my cube myc. How long till this jar fully colonizes? I'm guessing about 45 days. The jar on the right is cube and left atl7











ATL seems to grow slowly from spores. Not sure why, but this has been my experience EVERY time...it also grows slower inside the jar too. However, it should not under any circumstances take 45 days to colonize. If it does, unless your jars were just way too wet, you will likely get few stones. I only have this happen when my jars are too dry.



When spawned to coir/whatever, it is among the fastest mycelium I've seen. Seeing this prompted me to make some overly wet jars, and double the size of the GE hole to 1/2". I suspect this mycelium may need more GE than other strains even in the jar. The mushrooms themselves also require more GE/FAE than normal.



I love experimenting with sclerotia. We don't know much about it yet, so who knows what you might find out. Firefox, for instance, is telling me that the word "Sclerotia" doesn't even exist and annoying me with red underscoring all over my posts.



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Firefox, for instance, is telling me that the word "Sclerotia" doesn't even exist and annoying me with red underscoring all over my posts.





Just type out sclerotia and right click over the word and select add to dictionary.



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These Tamps were grown on coffee soaked steam rolled barley.Substrate was 4 inches with 2 inch casing.The small stones were in the casing and the bigger ones were down in the substrate.



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Can you give us some details on your LC? I've had a hard time getting Atl's to pop in an lc. I use a Hanna stir plate with 1 1/2" teflon coated stir bars. I tried LME/Dex in my usual ratios for cube LC and had no success. You mentioned you stir gently, do you wait for growth to stir or do you just start stirring after a couple days? How long/often do you stir? I stir the crap out of my cube LCs and also make them a little weak so I know I probably need to make adjustments.



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Have you experimented with adding Sesame/soybean oil to the soaking/simmer along with the coffee, gypsum and whole oats. Sesame/soybean oil is high is fats that would be quick and easy for the myco to turn into sclerotia(which I guess according to wiki is nothing more then a storage unit of food reserves(Wiki also only mentions sclerotia in relation to crop pathogens...))

Heres a link on additives for bulk sub so you can see the idea isn't out of the question.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ showflat.php/Number/11247091#1124 7091







Heh, I did my last 2 batches with a lot of spraymalt added to the mixture, since it's cheap (4.99/lb of dry powder). We'll see if it helps. I have a feeling it will, that stuff is very nutritious. After watching mycelium rip through it in liquid, I'm excited to see the results. I have growth after 2 days in 21/24 jars. Not much at all, but definite growth in almost all of them. Usually this takes 3-4 days. The LC I inoculated them with was a malt/dex LC that is so thick it is practically sludge.



Seriously, malt/dex LC's and magnetic stirrers are incredible...stop using honey and Karo. I didn't listen to RR and kept using honey because it was easier, but $10 at a brewing store got me enough dry spraymalt and dextrose to make hundreds of LC's. I use 1 gram of each per 600ml of water and PC for 30 minutes. You can filter it a few times with coffee filters and PC again if you don't like the sediment, but if you use a magnetic stirrer it causes no problems. They outperform Honey/Karo 3 times over every time for me. Not only in terms of growth, but the mycelium starts out in your jars much stronger too.



If you want a good tek for LC lids, I think I updated my sort of complete tek with a method for making them...check the link in my sig. If it's not in there I'll add it soon, I'm almost out of LC again. 5cc per jar eats it up fast.



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Can you give us some details on your LC? I've had a hard time getting Atl's to pop in an lc. I use a Hanna stir plate with 1 1/2" teflon coated stir bars. I tried LME/Dex in my usual ratios for cube LC and had no success. You mentioned you stir gently, do you wait for growth to stir or do you just start stirring after a couple days? How long/often do you stir? I stir the crap out of my cube LCs and also make them a little weak so I know I probably need to make adjustments.









Lots of people say different things, but I wait to see growth before stirring with the mag stirrer. However, I use steel nails, not teflon bars. I doubt you'd have any ill effects from stirring early with that, but I wouldn't do it with a nail/etc. I know it's tempting to turn on the magic stirrer, but it's better to gently stir twice a day until you've got visible growth. After that, stir just fast enough for a dimple on the surface of the water until you have a lot of growth. Once I have them 30-50% colonized, I turn it up higher and have mycelium sludge in 24 hours.



I don't use liquid malt extract, I use 1 gram of dry spraymalt. It is cheap, easy to work with, doesn't spoil, and is very effective.



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Another jar at less than 1 month on oats. It was inoculated on 11/14. That's less than 4 weeks. I have never had a RB jar progress this quickly. I may stop using Rye Berries altogether...



That's Mexicana A colonizing in the background. The jars sitting on top were shaken, so they appear to be less colonized than the others.







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I'm highly impressed with the oats performance!



I've been running wheat berries with fantastic results, I think I'm gonna purchase some oats and run some side by side..



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I've got enough data to make a somewhat reliable table. I'm working on it now, will post results soon.



Overall, the RB/Oats formula I use for 12 jars (8 cups RB, 12 cups oats) worked best. Plain oats and plain RB were not far behind.



After a lot of testing, I found no way to get RGS even close to the results from oats or RB. It is also a horrible and tedious job to get RGS off of sclerotia. I strongly recommend against using RGS for sclerotia since we know that oats work about as well as RB and should be available anywhere in the US year round. They are also dirt cheap...around $15 for 40lb.



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Another cool thing about oats...they produce mostly white sclerotia. They're really cool looking.







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Another cool thing about oats...they produce mostly white sclerotia. They're really cool looking.











Do you have any jars inoculated with the same culture? Are you sure it isn't just genetics?



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Another cool thing about oats...they produce mostly white sclerotia. They're really cool looking.











Do you have any jars inoculated with the same culture? Are you sure it isn't just genetics?







All of the oat jars had at least 2 separate white sclerotia. I've never had this happen on RB or RGS, and I don't think my mixed jars have any. All of the pure oat jars do, though.



In regard to genetics, I've found that the conditions inside the jar dictate more for sclerotia species than genetics do. You can take a clone from a huge stone and get dud jar, and the opposite is also true. Just my observation, anyway. I don't even bother trying to isolate sclerotia cultures any more.



Sorry I haven't posted the table yet. I had a great harvest out of my monotubs last night and I've been tripping all day.



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Interesting. It could be strain related because I've had the opposite result with oats vs rye berries.



You might also try adding some minerals. Check your local feed store for a bag labeled simply 'Minerals', intended to be added to horse feed. I've had some pretty stellar results from adding small amounts to grains intended for sclerotia.

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RogerRabbit said:

Interesting. It could be strain related because I've had the opposite result with oats vs rye berries.



You might also try adding some minerals. Check your local feed store for a bag labeled simply 'Minerals', intended to be added to horse feed. I've had some pretty stellar results from adding small amounts to grains intended for sclerotia.

RR







Opposite results as in performance or white sclerotium?



I'll try adding some minerals.



Have you ever tried adding spraymalt or some sort of agar to the soak water? I started doing it "just because", but I'm starting to think that it works. My technique hasn't improved as much as my jars' performance has.



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Horse feed minerals? Interesting. I will have to try that out. It makes sense.



I agree that growing conditions do change sclerotia growth, but I have witnessed different coloration of sclerotia strains from jar to jar with MS inoculations -some look white and others dark brown.



It will be interesting to see what your yields are like. With rye berries, I have consistently yielded 150 g fresh per quart jar; this also depends on how much grain you put in the jar to start, but it is worth a comparison.



I just find it hard to believe that oats are superior to rye grain, but then again I have never tried oats. I would imagine they are pretty equal in terms of nutrients. Use whatever works for you! Availability is important as well. In fact, I have found oat grain more often in stores than rye berries -cheaper too. You know you are a shroom head when a simple visit to the store brings up inquiries about available grains...



Anyway, nice grow... I will give the oats a try. Why not?



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Horse feed minerals? Interesting. I will have to try that out. It makes sense.



I agree that growing conditions do change sclerotia growth, but I have witnessed different coloration of sclerotia strains from jar to jar with MS inoculations -some look white and others dark brown.



It will be interesting to see what your yields are like. With rye berries, I have consistently yielded 150 g fresh per quart jar; this also depends on how much grain you put in the jar to start, but it is worth a comparison.



I just find it hard to believe that oats are superior to rye grain, but then again I have never tried oats. I would imagine they are pretty equal in terms of nutrients. Use whatever works for you! Availability is important as well. In fact, I have found oat grain more often in stores than rye berries -cheaper too. You know you are a shroom head when a simple visit to the store brings up inquiries about available grains...



Anyway, nice grow... I will give the oats a try. Why not?







Straight oats barely outperforms RB for me with ATL and Mex A strains. I've now used it very successfully as cube spawn too. It really is great stuff.



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Stats are in. At least 45 jars done in each category.





1. 60/40 Oats/RB - Avg 149g - Low 47g - High 163g

2. Oats - Avg 142g - Low 31g - High 164g

3. RB - Avg 138g - Low 51g - High 167g

4. RB/RGS/Oats - Avg 88g - Low 9g - High 127g

5. RGS - Avg 77g - Low 2g - High 94g



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Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

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Stats are in. At least 45 jars done in each category.





1. 60/40 Oats/RB - Avg 149g - Low 47g - High 163g

2. Oats - Avg 142g - Low 31g - High 164g

3. RB - Avg 138g - Low 51g - High 167g

4. RB/RGS/Oats - Avg 88g - Low 9g - High 127g

5. RGS - Avg 77g - Low 2g - High 94g







Mycological research at its best. Thanks for this thread SB-2, this is fantastic!



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The only thing you have to thank me for is continuing to run RGS jars to get to 45.



I hope nobody that reads this thread uses RGS for sclerotia again. It's the worst in terms of yield, the hardest to clean from sclerotia, and the most expensive of the substrates I used.



I think I'm going to try mixing in some coir next...I doubt it will do anything spectacular, but it will be fun.



Between all the stones I have from this project and the 5oz I pulled off my monotubs, I probably won't grow actives again for a while. I have enough to last me and my circle of trip buddies a year. I'm probably going to get into edibles next, because I do really enjoy growing mushrooms.



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Very nice and perfect timing.



So hey sorry to ask this again, but I havent been able to find much on it. But what about WBS?



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Very nice and perfect timing.



So hey sorry to ask this again, but I havent been able to find much on it. But what about WBS?







I didn't run WBS in this test because it's definitely no better than oats. I've only done around a dozen jars, and wasn't a fan. Oats are cheaper anyway, and you can get them at any Tractor Supply, Rural King, etc.



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Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

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You can make oats exactly the same way as RB. It's not any harder. Oats aren't really much better for sclerotia, so do whatever is easiest. Oats are easier to find, usually.



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Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

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nice I plan on taking a crack at atlantis but the thought of munching on seeds has kinda shyed me away.

when preping oats what ratio of water:oats is preferred?



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I'm not sure what you mean by "ratio"...I've tried just putting water in jars without soaking the grains first, and it's impossible to get it right. You can make it work, but this method is not as good as others.



The easiest prep method IMO is to put your grains into a big pot with gypsum and a large pinch of coffee added directly to the soak water. Heat this on your stove on medium until it is hot, but not boiling hot. You're shooting for 150-170 degrees. I let the grains soak in this for around 4 hours, and they're ready to drain and load into jars with no simmer. I started using this method back when I didn't have access to a stove I could use for growing, and my hotplate wouldn't simmer fast enough. There's more detailed instructions on my soak method in my Lazy Grower's Guide, which can be found in my sig.



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Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?



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cool thanks, I had never heard of using oats but I have cooked them I assumed it would be messy so an in the jar mix sounded right.



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Whole oats aren't messy...you're thinking of OATMEAL. I've had a lot of people PM me asking questions about using oatmeal. I'm not saying it couldn't work, but that's not what I'm talking about.



You want WHOLE OATS. Go to a farm store like Tractor Supply, Rural King, your local Co-Op, etc, and ask for whole oats. You don't want rolled oats or shelled oats. Whole oats look like rye berries wrapped in a thin shell.



In terms of messiness, oats are no worse than rye berries, and the thin shell on the outside almost completely prevents burst kernels. This makes preparation easier.



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Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.



Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?



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lol that clears things up alot I was thinking oatmeal would turn to sludge



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SB-2, excellent info!



Thanks for taking the time to document your efforts.



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Another plus to whole oat animal feed is that it doesn't contain chemicals that can make you ill when dosing the sclerotia. I have personally encountered this before...make sure your substrate is organic or at least suitable for consumption.



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Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?



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This is a noob question, but do you let the oats and rye soak the same amount of time in the same bowl? In other words, you mix your grains first, rinse, then soak.



This is my first time so I'm just ironing out my notes while the syringe and the synthetic filters are in the mail.







Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Good job on picking grains for your first grow.



My prep tek is in my signature.



What I do, is basically this...



Heat water until it's pretty hot, but not boiling. A good rule of thumb is that if it's too hot to touch for 1 second, it's hot enough. You don't want it boiling. Add a 1 tsp coffee grounds (Unused) for nitrogen or increased sclerotia performance to the soak water. I soak them until they are very smashable between fingers, but still a little firm. Then I turn up the heat until it starts boiling slightly, let it boil for 5minutes, then drain. Let steam dry for at least 20 minutes.



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Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?



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What time frame is your soak period?



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Of course, then there's the problem of eating vermiculite. On the bright side, it makes your poop and teeth glitter. Just pretend it's christmas.

-RR



Those mushrooms are fine. Your friend is a pussy.

-RR



Outdoor Patch



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What time frame is your soak period?







No traditional soak. I "Heat soak" at around 150 degrees for 4-5 hours, then just turn it up and simmer it for about 5 minutes in the same water. I don't clean my grain first. Comes out perfect every time, and the whole process takes about 7 minutes of real work other than waiting to make enough for 12 quart jars.



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Let the poor not tear down the fortune of the rich, but fervently build fortune of their own.



Tired of fruiting chambers, glove boxes, and flow hoods?

Tired of getting a few shrooms after all your hard work?

Tired of war, poverty, world hunger, and the government?



...Then check out my lazy grower's guide!

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ showflat.php/Number/15123541



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RogerRabbit said:

Interesting. It could be strain related because I've had the opposite result with oats vs rye berries.



You might also try adding some minerals. Check your local feed store for a bag labeled simply 'Minerals', intended to be added to horse feed. I've had some pretty stellar results from adding small amounts to grains intended for sclerotia.

RR







How much is a small amount of minerals? Do you have a brand name? The feed store I went to had supplements in plastic buckets. There is a brand here called Dumor, with a product called "vitamin gold" which is a pelletized multi-vitamin that I would like to grind up and try.



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I'm not sure what you mean by "ratio"...I've tried just putting water in jars without soaking the grains first, and it's impossible to get it right. You can make it work, but this method is not as good as others.



The easiest prep method IMO is to put your grains into a big pot with gypsum and a large pinch of coffee added directly to the soak water. Heat this on your stove on medium until it is hot, but not boiling hot. You're shooting for 150-170 degrees. I let the grains soak in this for around 4 hours, and they're ready to drain and load into jars with no simmer. I started using this method back when I didn't have access to a stove I could use for growing, and my hotplate wouldn't simmer fast enough. There's more detailed instructions on my soak method in my Lazy Grower's Guide, which can be found in my sig.







Thanks for showing us the power of Whole oats!50 lbs for under 10 bucks.



Have you upgraded this method since then?



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Anyone tried chickpeas?

Plenty of spaces and interface for the stones to grow.



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Why you do this?



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