haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts Last Edited: 2010-12-26 11:38:07 #1



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Hello fellow TL-ers!



I am here to present a challenge, just like in a training program or whatever.



The Koreans like to practise only one build, so I figured, why not practise 4 gate? Im currently on my 11th match straight 4 gating my way through ladder.



I want you to play 100 games as protoss doing only 4 gate. No matter what happens, you MUST 4 gate and attack. After you 4 gate and try to attack you can do whatever you want.



Then upload your 100 replays pack and state how many points you were in the ladder before you started your challenge, and how many points you were after (you can also post updates as you go.)



How to 4 gate



I think most TL-ers know how to 4 gate (or do they? o.0)



There are many different variations, I use the one were I stop producing probes when I'm at 20 probes, and only chronoboost the nexus once (at 10 supply).



Replay:



http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/108543-1v1-protoss-zerg-blistering-sands





How to respond to this thread



Here is a template for all you lazy people on how you respond to this thread:



Name/ID: HaegeN.800

Division: Diamond

Points before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1767 (0 Bonus pool)

Points 63 Games into challenge: 2076

Final score: Unknown

Replay pack: Coming SOON ( and not in the blizzard sense)



Final Note



I would like to say: "LET THE 4 GATE BEGIN", but it began early beta so I shall only say:



Live long and 4 gate! \\//^





EDIT I am doing this because I didnt use to 4 gate that much, and I wanted to see what it would be like So that question is answered before its asked



To the people whining about 4 gate

+ Show Spoiler + "Hate to break it to you guys, but if you lose, you got OUT PLAYED, and you have NO reason to whine and cry over the internet and talk trash to players who just BEAT you. After all, when you beat someone, you don't look back and go "oh wow I was such a dick in that game for seige pushing all the way accross the map with missle turrets" no. That's what you do to win." First Five to complete challenge:1. Drunken.Jedi2.3.4.5.I am here to present a challenge, just like in a training program or whatever.The Koreans like to practise only one build, so I figured, why not practise 4 gate? Im currently on my 11th match straight 4 gating my way through ladder.I want you to play 100 games as protoss doing only 4 gate. No matter what happens, you MUST 4 gate and attack. After youyou can do whatever you want.Then upload your 100 replays pack and state how many points you were in the ladder before you started your challenge, and how many points you were after (you can also post updates as you go.)I think most TL-ers know how to 4 gate (or do they? o.0)There are many different variations, I use the one were I stop producing probes when I'm at 20 probes, and only chronoboost the nexus once (at 10 supply).Here is a template for all you lazy people on how you respond to this thread:Name/ID: HaegeN.800Division: DiamondPoints before "Hundred 4Gate Challenge": 1767 (0 Bonus pool)PointsGames into challenge: 2076Final score: UnknownReplay pack: Coming SOON ( and not in the blizzard sense)I would like to say: "LET THE 4 GATE BEGIN", but it began early beta so I shall only say:Live long and 4 gate! \\//^I am doing this because I didnt use to 4 gate that much, and I wanted to see what it would be likeSo that question is answered before its askedTo the people whining about 4 gate None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

Durn Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Canada 360 Posts #2 As a Zerg ladder player, this makes me sad. The 4gate is a ridiculous build to hold at any skill level. "Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott

haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #3 You should try to do the challenge, maybe you will learn a thing or two about holding it off =) None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

N3rV[Green] Profile Blog Joined August 2009 United States 1830 Posts #4 The first day...or maybe second day after release I decided to try out the protoss pieces after I made a bunch of reapers as T.



My first thought was something along the lines of "Hey, pretty sure I heard something about making 4 gates and then winning..."



So I made 4 gates, and I won. I named the replay something along the lines of "that was just mean"



I try not to 4 gate anymore xD Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.

Trebis Profile Joined March 2010 United States 182 Posts #5 You forgot to add--all the players that have already been 4 gating for hundreds of games need to STOP and track their rating for another 100. Are your friends all noobs? Send them to SC2 Noob School! www.youtube.com/sc2noobschool

Durn Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Canada 360 Posts #6 I was a Protoss player who got to 1700 Diamond by 4gating. Not even joking. I know the build in and out and how much aggression can be on my doorstep at around the 7 minute mark. I also know that once I stopped 4gating I got crushed back into platinum. Hence the race switch.



I'm not calling it imba or anything, in fact I welcome this on the ladder now that I think about it. I need more practice against it. All the protoss practice partners I have don't really do it often. "Even if I lose 100 games, that's 100 different arrows pointing me in the wrong direction." - Sean Day[9] Plott

MOOG Profile Joined October 2010 United States 188 Posts #7 Im gonna watch your replay that you linked to, but before I do i want to ask you-do you think you executed your build well in that replay? To Do: 1. finish the rest of my practice league matches 2. win GSL

MementoMori Profile Joined April 2010 Canada 419 Posts #8 On November 24 2010 15:30 Trebis wrote:

You forgot to add--all the players that have already been 4 gating for hundreds of games need to STOP and track their rating for another 100.



lol I totally support this lol I totally support this for the world is hollow and I have touched the sky

HyAjO Profile Joined October 2010 United States 51 Posts #9 its not ridiculous at all to hold? easily scoutable by keeping drone alive, and enuff colonies at your nat = protoss already behind as you tech muta and they grab their nat, the harrassment begins as you toggle between their main and nat doing all types of economic dmg.. 4 gate often fails and just turns out like any other failed all-in, with the player being far behind with no higher tech.. you can gain advantage in many ways vs this build, by teching quicker or holding your expansion... think of it this way.. if you kill the p units with a ling surround/roach and not allow him to retreat his stalkers to reinforce, dont you see how ahead you are? as protoss i have stopped using 4 gate altogether unless the match calls for it..

Guard Profile Joined August 2010 Canada 43 Posts #10 The more important question is how does a particular challenge affect one's skill level. I would definitely do one of these if it involved a long term build. Are we allowed not to all in? Can we transition into something?



haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #11 Trebis, if you've been straight up 4 gating for hundreds of games this obviously is not for you, I just thought it would be fun to see how peoples rating change and such.



And there is way too many zergs on the ladder now, they need some more 4 gates in the face..



btw tip for Zergs: scout and kill the reinforcement pylon None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #12 On November 24 2010 15:31 MOOG wrote:

Im gonna watch your replay that you linked to, but before I do i want to ask you-do you think you executed your build well in that replay?



I think I executed it fairly well, I'm by no means a good player or anything. If you see any clear mistakes please let me know, I think I executed it fairly well, I'm by no means a good player or anything. If you see any clear mistakes please let me know, None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #13 On November 24 2010 15:33 Guard wrote:

The more important question is how does a particular challenge affect one's skill level. I would definitely do one of these if it involved a long term build. Are we allowed not to all in? Can we transition into something?





You can definately transition, the point is just to open 4 gate and try to attack. You can definately transition, the point is just to open 4 gate and try to attack. None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

lac29 Profile Blog Joined December 2008 United States 1430 Posts #14 I think this would be pretty interesting to see ... 100 games is a lot.

haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #15 On November 24 2010 15:36 lac29 wrote:

I think this would be pretty interesting to see ... 100 games is a lot.



It is not really that many games when you 4 gate, you see each game lasts between 8-10 minutes, 100 games equals maybe 1200 minutes which is roughly 20 hours of playtime.



Maybe I play too much computer but I don't think that it is really that much..



And 50 4 gate challenge would not sound as good. 100 is a good number. It is not really that many games when you 4 gate, you see each game lasts between 8-10 minutes, 100 games equals maybe 1200 minutes which is roughly 20 hours of playtime.Maybe I play too much computer but I don't think that it is really that much..And 50 4 gate challenge would not sound as good. 100 is a good number. None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

KillerPlague Profile Joined June 2010 United States 1386 Posts #16 4 gates are pretty much nullified at higher levels, but if you're low enough i'm sure you can gain tons of points and master it quite well after 100 games Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1

haegN Profile Joined July 2009 Norway 516 Posts #17 On November 24 2010 15:38 KillerPlague wrote:

4 gates are pretty much nullified at higher levels, but if you're low enough i'm sure you can gain tons of points and master it quite well after 100 games



Well to be honest I think you can't 4 gate each game and win in higher level, but the occasional 4 gate can net you wins for sure.



I think opticzero won versus Tyler that way. Well to be honest I think you can't 4 gate each game and win in higher level, but the occasional 4 gate can net you wins for sure.I think opticzero won versus Tyler that way. None can give you skills, ubermicro, wins or anything. If you are man - you take it!

b_unnies Profile Blog Joined March 2006 3579 Posts #18 i'd much prefer to have Protoss do a challenge where they don't go 4 gate for 100 games

MOOG Profile Joined October 2010 United States 188 Posts #19 On November 24 2010 15:35 haegN wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 24 2010 15:31 MOOG wrote:

Im gonna watch your replay that you linked to, but before I do i want to ask you-do you think you executed your build well in that replay?



I think I executed it fairly well, I'm by no means a good player or anything. If you see any clear mistakes please let me know, I think I executed it fairly well, I'm by no means a good player or anything. If you see any clear mistakes please let me know,



I just watched it. I didnt see any mistakes in your play, and even if you did make mistakes I couldn't tell you, because i'm just an average zerg.



You really caught him with his pants down. nice job. I think it was odd how his scouting drone, his later one, didn't get attacked by your zealot when it tried to run through your choke. and he STILL pulled the drone back. odd decision making on the zerg's part. I just watched it. I didnt see any mistakes in your play, and even if you did make mistakes I couldn't tell you, because i'm just an average zerg.You really caught him with his pants down. nice job. I think it was odd how his scouting drone, his later one, didn't get attacked by your zealot when it tried to run through your choke. and he STILL pulled the drone back. odd decision making on the zerg's part. To Do: 1. finish the rest of my practice league matches 2. win GSL

Sheekthief Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 267 Posts #20 Well now I have a real reason for avoiding ladder. tt Commentator at RageQuit.tv | www.RageQuit.tv |

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