Postby purpledc » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:18 pm

t0aj15 wrote: purpledc wrote: 1).Just because something has given someone great success that success may actually only be relative to what that persons knowledge is.

2).The issue with lemon oil is there are many of them out there that are nothing more than scented mineral oil.

3).Not only that but lemon oil in the wrong areas can actually dry wood out as it has astringent properties that outweigh its lubricating properties. It is a more of a cleaner than a true oil.

4).There will however be hundreds if not thousands of people who will call my words blasphemous but I care little what sheeple have to say.

5).If your going to knock off the tung oil on a tung oil neck it only makes logical sense to replace it with tung oil.

6).If putting lemon oil on it afterwards makes you feel better or if your guitar has that less that fresh smell to it then go for it. We're obviously going to have to agree to disagree on this one. But in answer to a few of your points;



1).My knowledge comes from retiring after 32 years as an interior finish carpenter, how about you?

2).I didn't suggest "many of them", I suggested one in particular.

3).What areas? It's all finished surfaces we're talking about here, and there are NO "astringent properties" in the Formby's.

4).Pointless to this discussion.

5).By cleaning the neck your not removing the finish, there's no need to replace it.

6).It has absolutely nothing to do with the smell (that vanishes quickly anyway), it has to do with keeping the wood clean and lubricated. We're obviously going to have to agree to disagree on this one. But in answer to a few of your points;1).My knowledge comes from retiring after 32 years as an interior finish carpenter, how about you?2).I didn't suggest "many of them", I suggested one in particular.3).What areas? It's all finished surfaces we're talking about here, and there are NO "astringent properties" in the Formby's.4).Pointless to this discussion.5).By cleaning the neck your not removing the finish, there's no need to replace it.6).It has absolutely nothing to do with the smell (that vanishes quickly anyway), it has to do with keeping the wood clean and lubricated.

tbonesullivan wrote: some things that people are overlooking...



- The finish Carvin uses is Minwax tung oil, but it is NOT pure tung oil, but more of a satin finish that has tung oil in it. you rub it on, and then it dries. you will NOT rub it off with lemon oil



-the lemon oil to use is not really oil of lemon. These are two different things. oil of lemon is fairly corrosive and not really recommended for use on anything containing wood, as it will dissolve the finish and is a powerful cleaning agent. Lemon Oil is a mix of petroleum distillates used to clean wood. Lemon oil is what MusicMan recommends to clean their gun stock oil/wax blend necks, which are Tru-Oil finished with gun stock wax on top. Lemon oil is also NOT a finish. It does not dry/cure like linseed or tung oil. in the end it simply evaporates and/or transfers to other substances.

You know what I was doing to sink to your childish ways and pick apart everything you just said and list them not only by numericals but I was going to alphabetize it just to one up you. But I decided not to as most member here have an IQ over 3 and know that its not uncommon for you to be negative and combative so Ive decided not to turn this into a "who can pee" farther than the other guy contest. But I will say this. Formbys is not a true lemon oil. Its mostly Naptha and paraffin oil with lemon scenting. And being a carpenter is not the same thing as being a luthier. And what is good for your kitchen table is not always good for your guitar. Doing something the wrong way for 32 years doesnt make you right. It makes you stubborn.But remember not all linseed oil cures. If you use raw linseed oil it is not polymerized like the boiled variety and is preferred by many luthiers. Also just to be clear, I wasnt necessarily saying that lemon oil would remove the tung oil. The oil is IN the wood and cures within the pores. Nothing really will remove it so to speak. What I was saying is that if your going to use something more agressive like sandpaper or even the steel wool to remove discoloration and caked on grime you may want to redo the tung oil as maple is not very porous and the tung oil finish will be very thin.AND JUST TO BE ULTRA CLEAR::::: I personally dont feel lemon oil is going to hurt anything. You wont ruin your guitar by using it and never meant to have it sound that way if I did. Im just saying that from all the books I own on building and repairing guitars the subject of lemon oil is addressed many times. Its been in my experience in my books and in real life that even though lemon oil is popular its not the best at what it does and I prefer raw linseed oil over lemon oil.