Sports is a huge, huge, huge subgenre within the realm of romance novels. If you think of romance novels, you think Fabio or the woman in the Edwardian costume or what have you. Sports is really big.

It’s largely credited with helping the publishing industry survive, it’s so popular. At a conference I was at just a week or two ago, Nielsen said that more than 286 million units of romance novels were sold in 2015.

Candysse Miller publishes romance novels. And, as Candysse explained in her voice memo, the romance novel genre is a huge segment of the publishing industry.

Hi, Only A Game. My name is Candysse Miller. I am a listener from Los Angeles, California. I love your show.

A while back — and to be perfectly honest, this was a little more than three years ago — we received the following story pitch from a listener:

Candysse and I stayed in touch. And in November of 2016, she sent me an email to let me know that her publishing company’s latest sports-based romance novel, "Luchador," a gay romance set in Mexico’s pro wrestling league, Lucha Libre, had been named one of Publishers Weekly’s Best Books of 2016.

But it wasn’t until a couple of weeks ago that we actually got a chance to sit down and talk about it.

KG: I do realize that it has been three years since you emailed your story idea to us, so you might not remember, but what inspired you to contact Only A Game about this phenomenon?

CM: I was watching "Bull Durham" one night, as one is prone to do every time you see it pop up on television. It's just one of those — if I see it, I stay. I watch.

I got thinking about how sports movies and romance novels are so much alike. And, in fact, a lot of films that people perceive as being sports films are actually romance.

KG: Well, so let's talk about "Bull Durham," because we have to.

CM: My favorite movie, which I just re-watched!

KG: It's so good. So what is it about this movie that makes it appeal to people who like sports and people who like romance?

CM: Well, first of all, it may be the best baseball movie ever. I realize that's arguable. There are some good ones out there: "The Natural," love that. "Field of Dreams," love that. But I would argue "Bull Durham" is just this great, great — it's not only a baseball film, but at the heart of that film, it's a romantic comedy. It's a romance. It's about Crash Davis and Annie Savoy, who are two incredibly well-written characters.

KG: And, of course, it has one of the best speeches ever, by Crash Davis.

CM: Ever. Ever!

CM: And Annie Savoy, I would argue, is the heart and soul of that movie. She's an intelligent woman. She's a quirky woman. She knows baseball inside and out. There is a sense of empowerment in Annie Savoy. There's also fragility. She is very representative of modern romance novels. It follows the tropes and storylines and beats of a classic romance novel.

KG: And "tropes" isn't a bad word in romance fiction?

CM: Oh, no! Tropes are wonderful in romance. They are deeply embraced. And very often, if you're on Twitter, you'll see someone cast a little net out saying, "What's your favorite trope?" And everyone will respond, "I love, 'There was only one bed.' " You know, these are all tropes that people play with.

KG: So in sports a trope would be, ‘the underdog wins.’

CM: Right. Good example.

KG: And people love that.

CM: Yes, in sports and in romance. I say they follow the same beats. I want the Dodgers in the World Series against the Yankees in seven, and I want the Dodgers to win. That's my happily ever after, right there.

KG: And you don't want it to come too easy. Right? You don't want them to win all season long and sweep the series ...

CM: Well, I do want them to win all season long. But I want them to earn it. And you have to earn it in a romance novel, too.

KG: We're going to get a little bit meta here with a book that's not even out yet. But I think it's an example that tells us something about why sports romance novels are popular. Tell me about the Bromance Book Club.

"The Bromance Book Club" by Lyssa Kay Adams

CM: I absolutely adored the "Bromance Book Club." It's the story of a professional baseball player who suddenly finds that his marriage is not working out, and his wife wants to leave him. His buddies with the team pull him aside and say, you know, "Come with us." And they introduce him to their book club. Their book club has sort of the "Fight Club" mentality in that the first rule of book club is, "You don't talk about book club." Because they read romance novels. And they have all fixed their marriages by reading and learning from romance novels.

“Romance novels are primarily written by women for women, and they’re entirely about how they want to be treated and what they want out of life and in a relationship. We read them to be more comfortable expressing ourselves and to look at things from their perspective.” Gavin blinked. “You guys are serious.” “Dead serious,” Del said.

KG: Is that how you would define a romance novel?

CM: Yes. It's not every romance novel. But certainly, that is an overarching theme. Modern romance very often is about female empowerment, about standing up for what you want and going out and getting it without apology. And that includes in your romantic life.

You know, right now what's hot in romance novels are hockey novels.

KG: Really?

CM: Yes. "Check, Please!" started out as a web-based comic. It's about a college hockey team and focuses on one character in particular who had started out as a figure skater but wanted to go to a particular college. So he tried out for the hockey team. Closeted gay kid. Ultimately, as the story builds — and it's been around for a few years now; it's coming to a conclusion soon — it ends up that the story is not only a story of sort of the bromance of this hockey team, but a romance between a star hockey player and this kid.

KG: And that sort of brings us to an interesting facet of this: homosexuality is still not accepted widely in men's sports. But that doesn't seem to be true of romance novels.

CM: Not the slightest. Queer romance novels and sports novels, there is a strong intersection there. Let’s face it, the large majority of readers of romance are women, but not exclusively. But, yes, women read gay romances. It's extremely popular. And also lesbian fiction with sports. I can tell you that the upcoming trend in romance novels, the inspiration is going to be the women's U.S. soccer team. In about a year you're going to see a bunch of soccer romances.

KG: With heroines with pink hair, maybe?

CM: Yes. More than likely.