Author Message

Disco_Destroyer









Joined: 05 Sep 2006

Posts: 6342

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 05 Sep 2006Posts: 6342

Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject:



World Bank creating poverty (BBC Newsnight)





Link

this should bring back a few memories

_________________

'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!'



The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.





www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer _________________

Disco_Destroyer









Joined: 05 Sep 2006

Posts: 6342

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 05 Sep 2006Posts: 6342

Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:52 pm Post subject:

Marauder-The Greek Revolution Begins





Link





wow Quote: This is the 02 track from the Ultra Rare 1821 Lp (2000)

Marauder are one of the best Greek Heavy Metal bands



This video made from a fan for the fans all over the world.Is only a way to promote metal music.If you like this try to find the OFFICIAL stuff(Lp's,cd's,t-shirt).Only with this way you help the band!!!!

Support the bands and especially the underground bands!!!



SUPPORT THE UNDERGROUND SCENE



Konstantinopolis' burning

Dramatical scenes make fear become hate

Revolution or death must bedin

Before it's too late



And from Europe the Greeks prepere the ground

For the great uproar



Children are taken by force

And women in search fot their dignity

Like eagles in cages the men

Screaming for liberty



Sunk for 400 into darkness

Now the time has come



With fire

With a heart made of stone and disire

Like the lions in battle we'll fight

For Greece, for God , for resurrection

Now

It's too late to blow out the flame

In Kalavrita a priest excuses our sins

And the Greek revolution begins



Fighting with fire and steel

Your home is the mountains

Your friend is death

The empire of hate to destroy seems so unreal



But the wave's not turning back

Death or Freedom we scream



With fire....

_________________

'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!'



The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.





www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer _________________

TonyGosling









Joined: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 17753

Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England EditorJoined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 17753Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject:

Secret talks reveal Greece is unable to meet obligations under last year's €110bn eurozone rescue package

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/may/08/greece-faces-new-bailou t-deal Greece bailout fails to halt debt woesSecret talks reveal Greece is unable to meet obligations under last year's €110bn eurozone rescue package

_________________

www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org

www.rethink911.org

www.patriotsquestion911.com

www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org

www.mediafor911truth.org

www.pilotsfor911truth.org

www.mp911truth.org

www.ae911truth.org

www.rl911truth.org

www.stj911.org

www.v911t.org

www.thisweek.org.uk

www.abolishwar.org.uk

www.elementary.org.uk

www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149

http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf

"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

https://37.220.108.147/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/ _________________"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 8:48 pm Post subject: http://imfoccupationgreece.blogspot.com/



Greece One Year of the IMF: Decay and Depression







Economic and Social Crisis

On the anniversary of the IMF-ECB takeover of Greece it would be good to make an assessment of the situation to see what has happened and how the situation might develop in the coming period.



In 2009 the debt was E300 billion and it became E330billion or 140% of GDP and by the end of 2011 it will equal around E350billion or around 150% of GDP. So two years of monetary austerity and widespread cuts in pensions, wages, etc has led to an increase in the debt and a massive increase in the percentage of debt in relation to GDP. The government has stated that public debt will drop to 60% of GDP within a decade and one would require an average growth rate of 6.5%. That isnt occurring as in 2010 the actual economy declined by 6%. In 2011 it has been predicted to fall by 4.4%. Son in two years it will decline by 10% of GDP. So depression economics actually increased both debts and deficits and points to only one direction: restructuring of the debt or bankruptcy. Restructuring the debt is a form of bankruptcy as the creditors have to accept a haircut either in the interest rates they expect in return or in the actual amount they have allegedly loaned by buying up government bonds. At the same time due to the overheating of the German economy (rise in exports and inflationary pressures) the ECB has stated that interest rates have to rise. So specifically for the PIGS, when their economy have negative growth rates by increasing the interest rates you push them further into a debt/bankruptcy spiral and push the Euro further onto the path of disintegration. The issue of credit default swaps as well indicates that a section of foreign bankers want bankruptcy to gain from the bets they have made, on the economy tanking.

According now to other figures, Greek social security (IKA) has had a drop in payments from E2.2billion in 2009 to E1.6billion due to the massive rise in unemployment which hovers around 1,000 citizens a month, or 15.1%. Taking into account one is only paid for one full year then when one comes off the unemployment register that does not mean one is now ...employed. Around 800,000 people have lost their work as shopowners and their insurance known as TEVE does not pay any unemployment pay and if you owe more than E8,000 you cannot claim a pension until you have paid it off. Alongside that they have extended the pensionable age, so if someone is around 55 and his shop has gone bankrupt recently they would not be able to claim a pension or have any health cover for at least 5 years when they are pensioned off, as Greece has a US style health cover system, with payments mandatory on a monthly basis before any cover is granted.



The National Bank of Greece in a recent study stated that average losses for workers in the public sector are equal to 13.5% for the private sector are 14% and for the pensioners around 11.5%. With unofficial inflation running around 7% that equals on average a collapse in average spending power around 20% in one year. This by itself is crippling the private sector as without spending power the market starts to implode as it is doing daily as on average 1,000 are becoming unemployed. The IMF government assumes the whole issue is about public expenditure and the main focus of all government and media propaganda is regarding the high costs of the crippled Greek welfare state.



At the same time we are witnessing the mass de-industrialisation of Greece and the collapse of its agricultural sector whereby for example sugar imports now come from abroad alongside garlic all the way from China, unheard of imports three decades ago when Greece joined the EU under the guise that these sectors would be developed, but instead were destroyed.



The usurious interest rates by the EU are also an amazing feat of modern economics as the ECB loans with 1% interest rates but the payout of Greek bonds are 6%, thus allowing a difference of 5% which when calculated on a yearly basis is equal for what has been borrowed to E5billion equivalent to the annual wage budget of the public sector. The one which has been targeted to be cut to the bone, privatised, sub-contracted, deregulated and whatever other modern form of slavery collapsing capitalism comes up with.



The level of decay has reached US proportions with the police announcing that women shouldnt travel at night anymore in Athens as they are liable to be robbed and daily we hear stories of bank lootings, supermarket robberies and robberies of pensioners in their homes, unheard of events in Greece. Three four star hotels have closed in the centre of Athens as well which were the pride and joy when the Olympic (Coca Cola) Games hit the town, as well as the recent bloody looting of the Lawyers Union offices in central Athens. But the police has been unable to fill up its cars and no longer turn up for crimes as they cannot/do not want to as even a few of them have fallen victim to shootings.



Media reports also speak about Greeks handing over young children to orphanages for the first time in decades trying to ensure a better life for them. Child benefits are under attack as the latest story is the social security benefits have collapsed due to the ageing population alongside the support provided to neighbouring Balkan states whereby their social security contributions could be added onto the Greek system if they worked in Greece for two years and were near pensionable age. Tens of young women mostly from African countries now ply their trade in central Athenian squares when the sun goes down for as little as 5Euros and there have even been shootouts between indigenous gypsies and Asian beggars in rubbish dumps with a few victims



IMF-ECB vs Welfare State

A massive programme of cuts in both schools and hospitals has been inaugurated recently by the IMF-ECB. 10% of schools are to be merged, what happens to the positions of staff is still not well explained but a new law is being implemented whereby staff can be made flexible and transferable across the whole of the public sector, including other cities, but if one is already married and they have commitments in one city, this will be an explosive issue alongside the fact that many parents who lived in villages can no longer travel 25km twice daily to take their children to schools. Thus for the first time since the civil war era many will no longer send their children to school. In almost every town square in Athens there are banners up by people announcing their opposition to these mergers. In one town in northern Greece students started a hunger strike in the town square with tents. The IMF-ECB targets primarily the welfare state as they are considered to be unproductive.



Hospital suppliers in medicine have had their payments frozen and they have gone on strike refusing to supply the hospitals. Twice in the last year there has been a non-payments strike and many thousands of Greek citizens relying on medicine have had their supplies cut and have tried to source medicine from abroad to survive. The IMF-ECB has obviously seen how much is being spent on health in general and they have cut the overall budget alongside the fact that they have sub-contracted many essential parts of health care to private companies such as scanning, etc. nutrition. There are 140 govt hospitals and 2 university hospitals. There is talk of merging around 40 of them and over the last two weeks two central university teaching hospitals closed overnight with issues for patients in their care who were advised just to up sticks and leave. Alongside this situation many A&E wards just close down in order to make savings without it being pre-announced. Just before Easter two university hospitals closed down overnight and hospital patients were carted off. The IMF induced measures aim to cripple health and weaken the standards one has been used to accept and return once more to a fully privatised health service, but this has been difficult to openly announce as PASOK is the party that created the Greek style NHS in the 1980s.



Mass privatisation and strikes against the IMF

The governments announcement of the mass privatisation of almost every remaining state interest in transport, energy, land etc in order to raise E50billion Euros between 2012-2015 aims to destroy all working class gains and reduce the Greek working class into total and absolute penury replacing it as has already occurred in the private sector into a multi-national globalised footloose force which will have no roots, no unions and zero political representation. Under these conditions since the last big general strike various battles have occurred.



In the last 12 months there have been 8 general strikes and two solid truckers strikes one of which lasted almost one month and was sold out by its union misleaders. There have also been many strikes in the ports which have had only 24 hour duration.



Constant small, but significant battles have occurred by groups of workers in transport, bus and metro and by part-time council workers who have renewable contracts. Bus workers have been the most militant as they have a significant history being the only group of workers who brought down a government in the early 1990s when a previous government tried to privatise them. They have had many mass meetings and have had many days of strike. But the government has been restrained from announcing that they be privatised as the bitter experience of that battle may trigger an indefinite walkout which may become a pole of attraction for other groups of workers. The union tops are obviously trying to let off steam and may end weakening their morale when everyone knows what is needed is joint indefinite strike action by all transport workers or uniting with the movement Cant Pay Wont Pay and calling for workers to travel for free.



Part-time council workers occupied the Athens Mayoral office for the best part of two months demanding full time contracts as some have done the same job for years but have been on part-time contracts so they lose out on other benefits. In the meantime a lawsuit went through the Greek high courts vindicating all part-time workers prior to 2001. This led to the part-time council workers mistakenly ending their occupation.



When the Health Minister Loverdos went to give a speech to an old peoples social centre in a working class district in North Athens Ag. Anargirous he was confronted by pensioners and unemployed youth and this became a national issue for the government as they cannot speak publically almost anywhere anymore without the presence of riot police and tear gas. They have lost almost total support.

Apart from token one day strikes the national railworkers who founded much of the early socialist tradition in Greece at the turn of the last century, there hasnt been any dynamic action when at the same time due to the cuts, all international connections between Greece and the rest of Europe has been cut. No train services now go to Europe at all and taking into account in the summer months many neighbouring countries use them to go on holiday in northern Greece this is a massive collapse of transport relations. Alongside the almost total shutdown of Olympic Airways (despite the electoral announcements by Papandreou that he would support them) and the sell-off of its most profitable routes to the USA, Australia, S Africa where significant Greek communities live abroad, transport in Greece is heading into a transport meltdown for the crucial summer season which brings in tourist revenue.



Joining the Imperialist Armada against Libya

Greece despite its financial situation has had not one iota of apprehension in joining the imperialist armada against Libya with a frigate and the use of all Greek airspace as well as full rights for the US airbase in Suda in Crete. Recently they also held joint military exercises with Israel taking on the role of its best friend at the moment its relations with Turkey have cooled down.



Cant Pay Wont Pay-Social Movements

A movement based on not paying road tolls to the large private corporations which got government subsidies to build motorways has been centred on the main national roads and on roads which havent as yet been built and the cost of driving your car through them took on a national focus. This movement then spread to the metro, tram and bus system in Athens. Price rises of 40% in the last two months on public transport were the issue that provoked this anger giving growth to this movement. We have also had protestors raiding police stations and trying to cancel all the police prosecutions for those who have refused to pay. This is the single issue that has united all wings of the Left. It doesnt have as yet practical public support as people who are working, still have to get to work and one cannot avoid paying tickets all the time, but when the protestors arrive and block the entrance ticket stamping machines, people cannot physically use tickets that they bought. Recently, it is alleged, the machines which issue tickets in one station have been smashed literally by using large hammers.

The PASOK government initially labelled all the protestors cheapskates then as the movement grew into weekly events then daily events in various stations around Athens, they changed tone and started talking about reducing the road tolls by almost 50%. They have announced this to occur, but it hasnt occurred as yet. No movement on reducing the price rises in other modes of transport has been announced.

Meltdown of the Left

The KKE recently held an evening rally which only a few months before would have had a minimum of 15,000 but now only had a couple of thousand and they couldnt even block the roads around Sintagma Square. Soon their evening rallies may be held just on pavements. They offer no fighting programme for the unemployed, they have organised no right to work rallies, they do not campaign for anything more than what the Greek GSEE  TUC does which is 24hour token strikes, the next being 11th May (9th so far) and they continue to march separately, along different routes and disperse in an unheard of destination for all Greek demos, near the tourist area of the Akropolis, avoiding Parliament-Sindagma Sq incase protestors are emboldened as they were last May to storm it.

The May Day Demo this year had very few participants and it had three different demos, one for the KKE-PAME the other for the Greek TUC-Euros and another for the leftists/anarchists. The KKEs block only had a few thousand and it marched to the French Embassy for the war in Libya. The disunity continues in stark contrast to the battle of Keratea which had zero influence from the Left and stood on its own and forced the government into retreat.



Euros

In a recent meeting on the issue of the Euro and the Debt where representatives of the pro-european wing of the Euros invited S Kouvelakis (from a London University who is allied with C Lapavitsas) to speak who argued that Greece should stop all payments to its creditors, withdraw from the Euro and restore the Drachma as a means of restoring monetary and fiscal policy and introducing controls in the economy as it is faced with a depression and ECB set interest rates which will cripple it further, he was rounded on as wanting to isolate Greece and become a modern version of Albania cut off from the outside world. Kouvelakis avoided calling for the departure of Greece from the EU as this would have been step too far for the Euros and one of their leaders, Lafazanis did ask the audience what would they do if they suddenly found themselves in power? He answered his own question by stating they would be obliged to propose cuts, meaning that once the electoral tap of state funds propping up the official Left runs dry, they may have to repeat 1989 once more (when they last joined coalition governments of both the Right and PASOK). The discussion was centred on managing capitalism as opposed to overthrowing it.



Spitha Movement-Theodorakis

On the other hand there have been many high profile resignations from the Spitha movement due to the backdoor deals between Theodorakis and certain foreign centres of power which seek to promote a government of personalities as opposed to a government of politicians who are so visibly detested in this present jucncture, that it appears they are trying to repeat the liberalisation period of the last days of the Greek military junta when a General called Markezini was propelled to power, but they couldn.t avoid the occupation of the Polytechnic and the subsequent continuous demonstrations which led to the fall of the military in 1974. After the fall, Theodorakis having travelled to the US Pentagon proposed the option of Karamanlis or Tanks with Karamanlis being a Presidential candidate from the Right, in order to block the possibility of a socialist solution to the fall of the junta. As if to underscore this tragedy the name of Markezini has popped up again, but not in the form of the father but the son, who is now a Sir and lives in London as a new interim Prime Minister in the post-Papandreou era, to continue to implement IMF policies, in other words buying time for the oligarchic ruling elites from workers anger. This has created many splits and divisions in this new found movement and it appears Theodorakis was only interested in using those that joined, to a pre-planned hidden agenda.



Committee Against Odious Debt A group of academics and people from the wider Left has set up a campaign to classify the debt Greece owes to international bankers as being odious and that they should default like the 30odd other countries that have done since the 1970s around the world. The media has presented some of their findings and some of the information regarding their investigations has reached the light of day, like some facts regarding Siemens bribery deals to secure big Greek public defence orders or infrastructure projects as well as the fact that a large percentage of overseas debt is just interest and that the original amounts borrowed have been paid many times over.



Post-Papandreou Era and Continuing the Same IMF Policies..

The PASOK government is a busted flush. Its writ no longer runs as evidenced in Keratea. It has lost almost all credibility. The massive abstention in the local elections when 4.5million Greeks around 85% if the electorate refused to take part in Octobers 2010 elections indicates a massive swing against all politicians and parties. There are open rebellions in almost every layer of society. They are left with two options. Either to go for new elections or to suspend due process and go for a government of personalities as has been stated has been offered to the Theodorakis movement of Spitha (which was set up officially to be a new force on the Left, not an old one which will collaborate with the IMF!)

The media which in Greece operates as a precursor to evenst by moulding public opinion has been promoting all the close collaborators of the Spitha movement and all intellectuals both in constitutional affairs also in economics regarding the foreign debt and the agreements with the IMF, showing that they are both unconstitutional and odious and that they should be cancelled forthwith. Whether they are able to postpone the inevitable of Arab style continuous protests in central city squares when unemployment continues to rise inexorably and businesses go bust daily will be one of the modern wonders of our time. A spark will this time light a fire. On the anniversary of the IMF-ECB takeover of Greece it would be good to make an assessment of the situation to see what has happened and how the situation might develop in the coming period.In 2009 the debt was E300 billion and it became E330billion or 140% of GDP and by the end of 2011 it will equal around E350billion or around 150% of GDP. So two years of monetary austerity and widespread cuts in pensions, wages, etc has led to an increase in the debt and a massive increase in the percentage of debt in relation to GDP. The government has stated that public debt will drop to 60% of GDP within a decade and one would require an average growth rate of 6.5%. That isnt occurring as in 2010 the actual economy declined by 6%. In 2011 it has been predicted to fall by 4.4%. Son in two years it will decline by 10% of GDP. So depression economics actually increased both debts and deficits and points to only one direction: restructuring of the debt or bankruptcy. Restructuring the debt is a form of bankruptcy as the creditors have to accept a haircut either in the interest rates they expect in return or in the actual amount they have allegedly loaned by buying up government bonds. At the same time due to the overheating of the German economy (rise in exports and inflationary pressures) the ECB has stated that interest rates have to rise. So specifically for the PIGS, when their economy have negative growth rates by increasing the interest rates you push them further into a debt/bankruptcy spiral and push the Euro further onto the path of disintegration. The issue of credit default swaps as well indicates that a section of foreign bankers want bankruptcy to gain from the bets they have made, on the economy tanking.According now to other figures, Greek social security (IKA) has had a drop in payments from E2.2billion in 2009 to E1.6billion due to the massive rise in unemployment which hovers around 1,000 citizens a month, or 15.1%. Taking into account one is only paid for one full year then when one comes off the unemployment register that does not mean one is now ...employed. Around 800,000 people have lost their work as shopowners and their insurance known as TEVE does not pay any unemployment pay and if you owe more than E8,000 you cannot claim a pension until you have paid it off. Alongside that they have extended the pensionable age, so if someone is around 55 and his shop has gone bankrupt recently they would not be able to claim a pension or have any health cover for at least 5 years when they are pensioned off, as Greece has a US style health cover system, with payments mandatory on a monthly basis before any cover is granted.The National Bank of Greece in a recent study stated that average losses for workers in the public sector are equal to 13.5% for the private sector are 14% and for the pensioners around 11.5%. With unofficial inflation running around 7% that equals on average a collapse in average spending power around 20% in one year. This by itself is crippling the private sector as without spending power the market starts to implode as it is doing daily as on average 1,000 are becoming unemployed. The IMF government assumes the whole issue is about public expenditure and the main focus of all government and media propaganda is regarding the high costs of the crippled Greek welfare state.At the same time we are witnessing the mass de-industrialisation of Greece and the collapse of its agricultural sector whereby for example sugar imports now come from abroad alongside garlic all the way from China, unheard of imports three decades ago when Greece joined the EU under the guise that these sectors would be developed, but instead were destroyed.The usurious interest rates by the EU are also an amazing feat of modern economics as the ECB loans with 1% interest rates but the payout of Greek bonds are 6%, thus allowing a difference of 5% which when calculated on a yearly basis is equal for what has been borrowed to E5billion equivalent to the annual wage budget of the public sector. The one which has been targeted to be cut to the bone, privatised, sub-contracted, deregulated and whatever other modern form of slavery collapsing capitalism comes up with.The level of decay has reached US proportions with the police announcing that women shouldnt travel at night anymore in Athens as they are liable to be robbed and daily we hear stories of bank lootings, supermarket robberies and robberies of pensioners in their homes, unheard of events in Greece. Three four star hotels have closed in the centre of Athens as well which were the pride and joy when the Olympic (Coca Cola) Games hit the town, as well as the recent bloody looting of the Lawyers Union offices in central Athens. But the police has been unable to fill up its cars and no longer turn up for crimes as they cannot/do not want to as even a few of them have fallen victim to shootings.Media reports also speak about Greeks handing over young children to orphanages for the first time in decades trying to ensure a better life for them. Child benefits are under attack as the latest story is the social security benefits have collapsed due to the ageing population alongside the support provided to neighbouring Balkan states whereby their social security contributions could be added onto the Greek system if they worked in Greece for two years and were near pensionable age. Tens of young women mostly from African countries now ply their trade in central Athenian squares when the sun goes down for as little as 5Euros and there have even been shootouts between indigenous gypsies and Asian beggars in rubbish dumps with a few victimsA massive programme of cuts in both schools and hospitals has been inaugurated recently by the IMF-ECB. 10% of schools are to be merged, what happens to the positions of staff is still not well explained but a new law is being implemented whereby staff can be made flexible and transferable across the whole of the public sector, including other cities, but if one is already married and they have commitments in one city, this will be an explosive issue alongside the fact that many parents who lived in villages can no longer travel 25km twice daily to take their children to schools. Thus for the first time since the civil war era many will no longer send their children to school. In almost every town square in Athens there are banners up by people announcing their opposition to these mergers. In one town in northern Greece students started a hunger strike in the town square with tents. The IMF-ECB targets primarily the welfare state as they are considered to be unproductive.Hospital suppliers in medicine have had their payments frozen and they have gone on strike refusing to supply the hospitals. Twice in the last year there has been a non-payments strike and many thousands of Greek citizens relying on medicine have had their supplies cut and have tried to source medicine from abroad to survive. The IMF-ECB has obviously seen how much is being spent on health in general and they have cut the overall budget alongside the fact that they have sub-contracted many essential parts of health care to private companies such as scanning, etc. nutrition. There are 140 govt hospitals and 2 university hospitals. There is talk of merging around 40 of them and over the last two weeks two central university teaching hospitals closed overnight with issues for patients in their care who were advised just to up sticks and leave. Alongside this situation many A&E wards just close down in order to make savings without it being pre-announced. Just before Easter two university hospitals closed down overnight and hospital patients were carted off. The IMF induced measures aim to cripple health and weaken the standards one has been used to accept and return once more to a fully privatised health service, but this has been difficult to openly announce as PASOK is the party that created the Greek style NHS in the 1980s.The governments announcement of the mass privatisation of almost every remaining state interest in transport, energy, land etc in order to raise E50billion Euros between 2012-2015 aims to destroy all working class gains and reduce the Greek working class into total and absolute penury replacing it as has already occurred in the private sector into a multi-national globalised footloose force which will have no roots, no unions and zero political representation. Under these conditions since the last big general strike various battles have occurred.In the last 12 months there have been 8 general strikes and two solid truckers strikes one of which lasted almost one month and was sold out by its union misleaders. There have also been many strikes in the ports which have had only 24 hour duration.Constant small, but significant battles have occurred by groups of workers in transport, bus and metro and by part-time council workers who have renewable contracts. Bus workers have been the most militant as they have a significant history being the only group of workers who brought down a government in the early 1990s when a previous government tried to privatise them. They have had many mass meetings and have had many days of strike. But the government has been restrained from announcing that they be privatised as the bitter experience of that battle may trigger an indefinite walkout which may become a pole of attraction for other groups of workers. The union tops are obviously trying to let off steam and may end weakening their morale when everyone knows what is needed is joint indefinite strike action by all transport workers or uniting with the movement Cant Pay Wont Pay and calling for workers to travel for free.Part-time council workers occupied the Athens Mayoral office for the best part of two months demanding full time contracts as some have done the same job for years but have been on part-time contracts so they lose out on other benefits. In the meantime a lawsuit went through the Greek high courts vindicating all part-time workers prior to 2001. This led to the part-time council workers mistakenly ending their occupation.When the Health Minister Loverdos went to give a speech to an old peoples social centre in a working class district in North Athens Ag. Anargirous he was confronted by pensioners and unemployed youth and this became a national issue for the government as they cannot speak publically almost anywhere anymore without the presence of riot police and tear gas. They have lost almost total support.Apart from token one day strikes the national railworkers who founded much of the early socialist tradition in Greece at the turn of the last century, there hasnt been any dynamic action when at the same time due to the cuts, all international connections between Greece and the rest of Europe has been cut. No train services now go to Europe at all and taking into account in the summer months many neighbouring countries use them to go on holiday in northern Greece this is a massive collapse of transport relations. Alongside the almost total shutdown of Olympic Airways (despite the electoral announcements by Papandreou that he would support them) and the sell-off of its most profitable routes to the USA, Australia, S Africa where significant Greek communities live abroad, transport in Greece is heading into a transport meltdown for the crucial summer season which brings in tourist revenue.Greece despite its financial situation has had not one iota of apprehension in joining the imperialist armada against Libya with a frigate and the use of all Greek airspace as well as full rights for the US airbase in Suda in Crete. Recently they also held joint military exercises with Israel taking on the role of its best friend at the moment its relations with Turkey have cooled down.A movement based on not paying road tolls to the large private corporations which got government subsidies to build motorways has been centred on the main national roads and on roads which havent as yet been built and the cost of driving your car through them took on a national focus. This movement then spread to the metro, tram and bus system in Athens. Price rises of 40% in the last two months on public transport were the issue that provoked this anger giving growth to this movement. We have also had protestors raiding police stations and trying to cancel all the police prosecutions for those who have refused to pay. This is the single issue that has united all wings of the Left. It doesnt have as yet practical public support as people who are working, still have to get to work and one cannot avoid paying tickets all the time, but when the protestors arrive and block the entrance ticket stamping machines, people cannot physically use tickets that they bought. Recently, it is alleged, the machines which issue tickets in one station have been smashed literally by using large hammers.The PASOK government initially labelled all the protestors cheapskates then as the movement grew into weekly events then daily events in various stations around Athens, they changed tone and started talking about reducing the road tolls by almost 50%. They have announced this to occur, but it hasnt occurred as yet. No movement on reducing the price rises in other modes of transport has been announced.Meltdown of the LeftThe KKE recently held an evening rally which only a few months before would have had a minimum of 15,000 but now only had a couple of thousand and they couldnt even block the roads around Sintagma Square. Soon their evening rallies may be held just on pavements. They offer no fighting programme for the unemployed, they have organised no right to work rallies, they do not campaign for anything more than what the Greek GSEE  TUC does which is 24hour token strikes, the next being 11th May (9th so far) and they continue to march separately, along different routes and disperse in an unheard of destination for all Greek demos, near the tourist area of the Akropolis, avoiding Parliament-Sindagma Sq incase protestors are emboldened as they were last May to storm it.The May Day Demo this year had very few participants and it had three different demos, one for the KKE-PAME the other for the Greek TUC-Euros and another for the leftists/anarchists. The KKEs block only had a few thousand and it marched to the French Embassy for the war in Libya. The disunity continues in stark contrast to the battle of Keratea which had zero influence from the Left and stood on its own and forced the government into retreat.In a recent meeting on the issue of the Euro and the Debt where representatives of the pro-european wing of the Euros invited S Kouvelakis (from a London University who is allied with C Lapavitsas) to speak who argued that Greece should stop all payments to its creditors, withdraw from the Euro and restore the Drachma as a means of restoring monetary and fiscal policy and introducing controls in the economy as it is faced with a depression and ECB set interest rates which will cripple it further, he was rounded on as wanting to isolate Greece and become a modern version of Albania cut off from the outside world. Kouvelakis avoided calling for the departure of Greece from the EU as this would have been step too far for the Euros and one of their leaders, Lafazanis did ask the audience what would they do if they suddenly found themselves in power? He answered his own question by stating they would be obliged to propose cuts, meaning that once the electoral tap of state funds propping up the official Left runs dry, they may have to repeat 1989 once more (when they last joined coalition governments of both the Right and PASOK). The discussion was centred on managing capitalism as opposed to overthrowing it.On the other hand there have been many high profile resignations from the Spitha movement due to the backdoor deals between Theodorakis and certain foreign centres of power which seek to promote a government of personalities as opposed to a government of politicians who are so visibly detested in this present jucncture, that it appears they are trying to repeat the liberalisation period of the last days of the Greek military junta when a General called Markezini was propelled to power, but they couldn.t avoid the occupation of the Polytechnic and the subsequent continuous demonstrations which led to the fall of the military in 1974. After the fall, Theodorakis having travelled to the US Pentagon proposed the option of Karamanlis or Tanks with Karamanlis being a Presidential candidate from the Right, in order to block the possibility of a socialist solution to the fall of the junta. As if to underscore this tragedy the name of Markezini has popped up again, but not in the form of the father but the son, who is now a Sir and lives in London as a new interim Prime Minister in the post-Papandreou era, to continue to implement IMF policies, in other words buying time for the oligarchic ruling elites from workers anger. This has created many splits and divisions in this new found movement and it appears Theodorakis was only interested in using those that joined, to a pre-planned hidden agenda.A group of academics and people from the wider Left has set up a campaign to classify the debt Greece owes to international bankers as being odious and that they should default like the 30odd other countries that have done since the 1970s around the world. The media has presented some of their findings and some of the information regarding their investigations has reached the light of day, like some facts regarding Siemens bribery deals to secure big Greek public defence orders or infrastructure projects as well as the fact that a large percentage of overseas debt is just interest and that the original amounts borrowed have been paid many times over.The PASOK government is a busted flush. Its writ no longer runs as evidenced in Keratea. It has lost almost all credibility. The massive abstention in the local elections when 4.5million Greeks around 85% if the electorate refused to take part in Octobers 2010 elections indicates a massive swing against all politicians and parties. There are open rebellions in almost every layer of society. They are left with two options. Either to go for new elections or to suspend due process and go for a government of personalities as has been stated has been offered to the Theodorakis movement of Spitha (which was set up officially to be a new force on the Left, not an old one which will collaborate with the IMF!)The media which in Greece operates as a precursor to evenst by moulding public opinion has been promoting all the close collaborators of the Spitha movement and all intellectuals both in constitutional affairs also in economics regarding the foreign debt and the agreements with the IMF, showing that they are both unconstitutional and odious and that they should be cancelled forthwith. Whether they are able to postpone the inevitable of Arab style continuous protests in central city squares when unemployment continues to rise inexorably and businesses go bust daily will be one of the modern wonders of our time. A spark will this time light a fire.

TonyGosling









Joined: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 17753

Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England EditorJoined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 17753Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 11:18 pm Post subject:



Greece deeper in dungeon of debt

http://www.smh.com.au/business/greece-deeper-in-dungeon-of-debt-201105 10-1eh51.html Seems like the riots were all for nothing

_________________

www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org

www.rethink911.org

www.patriotsquestion911.com

www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org

www.mediafor911truth.org

www.pilotsfor911truth.org

www.mp911truth.org

www.ae911truth.org

www.rl911truth.org

www.stj911.org

www.v911t.org

www.thisweek.org.uk

www.abolishwar.org.uk

www.elementary.org.uk

www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149

http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf

"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

https://37.220.108.147/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/ _________________"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

Disco_Destroyer









Joined: 05 Sep 2006

Posts: 6342

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 05 Sep 2006Posts: 6342

Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: We'll no doubt see a rise of Greek nationalism, I wonder if they try a Socialistic approach?

_________________

'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!'



The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.





www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer _________________

Disco_Destroyer









Joined: 05 Sep 2006

Posts: 6342

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 05 Sep 2006Posts: 6342

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: Disco_Destroyer wrote: We'll no doubt see a rise of Greek nationalism, I wonder if they try a Socialistic approach?



wow



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110512/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_greece_protest



Far-right protest in Athens turns violent



By DEREK GATOPOULOS, Associated Press  2 hrs 4 mins ago

ATHENS, Greece  Gangs of far-right youths attacked dark-skinned immigrants in central Athens and clashed with riot police Thursday, leaving at least 25 people injured, in a show of force by extremist groups.

The attacks, which lasted several hours, occurred following a downtown protest against a deadly mugging that had happened earlier in the week.

Several hundred youths, dressed in black and some wielding bats, were involved in the daytime attacks in an area where thousands of Asian and African immigrants live. Immigrants were chased through narrow streets of the city's Kato Patissia neighborhood and punched and kicked to the ground by groups of attackers.

Officials from a state-run Polykliniki and Athens General hospitals told the AP that 25 people were treated for injuries following the clashes  19 immigrants and six Greeks, with one man remaining overnight for observation.

Thursday's clashes followed a spike in racial attacks in Greece during its financial crisis and the election of the leader of a violent far-right Chrysi Avgi organization to Athens' City Council in November.

Police said 48 protesters were detained for questioning but none were immediately charged.

Human Rights Watch urged Greek authorities to conduct "a diligent investigation" and prosecute the violent offenders.

"It's horrifying. Clearly these are indiscriminate racist attacks in a city and a country that by all accounts has seen a troubling  an alarming  rise in racist sentiment and racist violence over the past several years," Judith Sunderland, a senior for researcher at the rights group for Western Europe told the AP.

Far-right and nationalist groups have seized on witness testimony that immigrants allegedly carried out the fatal stabbing on Tuesday of a man who was about to drive his pregnant wife to a hospital. Police have not identified any suspects.

A makeshift shrine with candles and flowers now stands at the site of the killing.

The far-right youths joined and eventually took over a peaceful demonstration from that site to Athens' City Hall, chasing and beating migrants as they marched through the city center. But most of the trouble occurred after the rally.

Thugs in motorcycle helmets beat up immigrants, sending others fleeing for safety amid heavy rush-hour traffic. Similar attacks have occurred over the past two days.

The black-clad ultranationalist youths marched through migrant areas, and running battles with riot police broke out as youths chased immigrants down side streets. Male and female protesters were seen taking part in the beatings.

Clashes with police broke out in a red-light district of the capital, where riot police fired volleys of tear gas, as women in closed-up brothels peered out of windows and balconies at the violence below.

The rioters taunted immigrant onlookers on apartment block windows and broke into chants of "Where are the foreigners now?" and "Jobs for Greeks only."

Also Thursday, police said they were investigating the fatal stabbing of a 21-year-old Bangladeshi man in a crime-ridden part of central Athens with a strong far-right presence. There have been no arrests, and the motive of the attack was unclear.

Greece is the EU's main entry point for illegal immigrants. Over the past few years, the capital's center has seen a major increase in migrant numbers, which, combined with worsening crime rates, has prompted a far-right backlash.

A government spokesman on Thursday condemned violence during frequent anti-government protests and the recent racial attacks, but could not be reached for further comment.

On Wednesday, 20,000 people marched through Athens to protest the Socialist government's painful austerity measures. Most of the protest was peaceful, but clashes occurred between petrol bomb- and stone-throwing anarchists and riot police. More than two dozen people were injured, including two police officers.

Greece has been grappling with a severe financial crisis for more than a year and was rescued from bankruptcy by a euro110 billion international bailout package in May 2010. In return, the government imposed strict austerity measures, including cutting public sector salaries, freezing pensions and increasing taxes.

But it has struggled to meet revenue targets during a recession, and the government is soon due to unveil new cutbacks aimed at saving an estimated euro23 billion ($33 billion) through 2015.

___

Nicholas Paphitis and Elena Becatoros in Athens contributed. wowBy DEREK GATOPOULOS, Associated Press  2 hrs 4 mins agoATHENS, Greece  Gangs of far-right youths attacked dark-skinned immigrants in central Athens and clashed with riot police Thursday, leaving at least 25 people injured, in a show of force by extremist groups.The attacks, which lasted several hours, occurred following a downtown protest against a deadly mugging that had happened earlier in the week.Several hundred youths, dressed in black and some wielding bats, were involved in the daytime attacks in an area where thousands of Asian and African immigrants live. Immigrants were chased through narrow streets of the city's Kato Patissia neighborhood and punched and kicked to the ground by groups of attackers.Officials from a state-run Polykliniki and Athens General hospitals told the AP that 25 people were treated for injuries following the clashes  19 immigrants and six Greeks, with one man remaining overnight for observation.Thursday's clashes followed a spike in racial attacks in Greece during its financial crisis and the election of the leader of a violent far-right Chrysi Avgi organization to Athens' City Council in November.Police said 48 protesters were detained for questioning but none were immediately charged.Human Rights Watch urged Greek authorities to conduct "a diligent investigation" and prosecute the violent offenders."It's horrifying. Clearly these are indiscriminate racist attacks in a city and a country that by all accounts has seen a troubling  an alarming  rise in racist sentiment and racist violence over the past several years," Judith Sunderland, a senior for researcher at the rights group for Western Europe told the AP.Far-right and nationalist groups have seized on witness testimony that immigrants allegedly carried out the fatal stabbing on Tuesday of a man who was about to drive his pregnant wife to a hospital. Police have not identified any suspects.A makeshift shrine with candles and flowers now stands at the site of the killing.The far-right youths joined and eventually took over a peaceful demonstration from that site to Athens' City Hall, chasing and beating migrants as they marched through the city center. But most of the trouble occurred after the rally.Thugs in motorcycle helmets beat up immigrants, sending others fleeing for safety amid heavy rush-hour traffic. Similar attacks have occurred over the past two days.The black-clad ultranationalist youths marched through migrant areas, and running battles with riot police broke out as youths chased immigrants down side streets. Male and female protesters were seen taking part in the beatings.Clashes with police broke out in a red-light district of the capital, where riot police fired volleys of tear gas, as women in closed-up brothels peered out of windows and balconies at the violence below.The rioters taunted immigrant onlookers on apartment block windows and broke into chants of "Where are the foreigners now?" and "Jobs for Greeks only."Also Thursday, police said they were investigating the fatal stabbing of a 21-year-old Bangladeshi man in a crime-ridden part of central Athens with a strong far-right presence. There have been no arrests, and the motive of the attack was unclear.Greece is the EU's main entry point for illegal immigrants. Over the past few years, the capital's center has seen a major increase in migrant numbers, which, combined with worsening crime rates, has prompted a far-right backlash.A government spokesman on Thursday condemned violence during frequent anti-government protests and the recent racial attacks, but could not be reached for further comment.On Wednesday, 20,000 people marched through Athens to protest the Socialist government's painful austerity measures. Most of the protest was peaceful, but clashes occurred between petrol bomb- and stone-throwing anarchists and riot police. More than two dozen people were injured, including two police officers.Greece has been grappling with a severe financial crisis for more than a year and was rescued from bankruptcy by a euro110 billion international bailout package in May 2010. In return, the government imposed strict austerity measures, including cutting public sector salaries, freezing pensions and increasing taxes.But it has struggled to meet revenue targets during a recession, and the government is soon due to unveil new cutbacks aimed at saving an estimated euro23 billion ($33 billion) through 2015.___Nicholas Paphitis and Elena Becatoros in Athens contributed.

_________________

'Come and see the violence inherent in the system.

Help, help, I'm being repressed!'



The more you tighten your grip, the more Star Systems will slip through your fingers.





www.myspace.com/disco_destroyer _________________

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: Why Greece Should Reject the Euro



By MARK WEISBROT



Published: May 9, 2011







Washington







Related



Times Topic: Euro







SOMETIMES there is turmoil in the markets because a government threatens to do what is best for its citizens. This seemed to be the case in Europe last week, when the German magazine Der Spiegel reported that the Greek government was threatening to stop using the euro. The euro suffered its worst two-day plunge since December 2008.



Greek and European Union officials denied the report, but a threat by Greece to jettison the euro is long overdue, and it should be prepared to carry it out. As much as the move might cost Greece in the short term, it is very unlikely that such costs would be greater than the many years of recession, stagnation and high unemployment that the European authorities are offering.



The experience of Argentina at the end of 2001 is instructive. For more than three and a half years Argentina had suffered through one of the deepest recessions of the 20th century. Its peso was pegged to the dollar, which is similar to Greece having the euro as its national currency. The Argentines took loans from the International Monetary Fund, and cut spending as poverty and unemployment soared. It was all in vain as the recession deepened.



Then Argentina defaulted on its foreign debt and cut loose from the dollar. Most economists and the business press predicted that years of disaster would ensue. But the economy shrank for just one more quarter after the devaluation and default; it then grew 63 percent over the next six years. More than 11 million people, in a nation of 39 million, were pulled out of poverty.



Within three years Argentina was back to its pre-recession level of output, despite losing more than twice as much of its gross domestic product as Greece has lost in its current recession. By contrast, in Greece, even if things go well, the I.M.F. projects that the economy will take eight years to reach its pre-crisis G.D.P. But this is likely optimistic  the I.M.F. has repeatedly lowered its near-term growth projections for Greece since the crisis began.



The main reason for Argentinas rapid recovery was that it was finally freed from adhering to fiscal and monetary policies that stifled growth. The same would be true for Greece if it were to drop the euro. Greece would also get a boost from the devaluations effect on the trade balance (as Argentina did for the first six months of recovery), since its exports would be more competitive, and imports would be more expensive.



Press reports have also warned of a sharp increase in Greek debt from devaluation if it were to leave the euro zone. But the fact is that Greece would not pay this debt, as Argentina did not pay two-thirds of its foreign debt after its devaluation and default.



Portugal just concluded an agreement with the I.M.F. that projects two more years of recession. No government should accept this kind of punishment. A responsible leader would point out to the European authorities that they have the money to support Greece with countercyclical policies (like fiscal stimulus), though they are choosing not to.



From a creditors point of view, which the European Union authorities have apparently adopted, a country that has accumulated too much debt must be punished, so as not to encourage bad behavior. But punishing an entire country for the past mistakes of some of its leaders, while morally satisfying to some, is hardly the basis for sound policy.



There is also the idea that Greece  as well as Ireland, Spain and Portugal  can recover by means of an internal devaluation. This means increasing unemployment so much that wages fall enough to make the country more internationally competitive. The social costs of such a move, however, are extremely high and it rarely if ever works. Unemployment has doubled in Greece (to 14.7 percent), more than doubled in Spain (to 20.7 percent) and more than tripled in Ireland (to 14.7 percent). But recovery is still elusive.



You can be sure that the European authorities would offer Greece a better deal under a credible threat of leaving the euro zone. In fact, there are indications that they may have already moved in response to last weeks threat.



But the bottom line is that Greece cannot afford to settle for any deal that does not allow it to grow and make its way out of the recession. Loans that require what economists call pro-cyclical policies  cutting spending and raising taxes in the face of recession  should be off the table. The attempt to shrink Greeces way out has failed. If thats all that the European authorities have to offer, then it is time for Greece, and perhaps others, to say goodbye to the euro.





Mark Weisbrot is the co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 5:22 am Post subject: Why Greece Should Reject the Euro



By MARK WEISBROT



Published: May 9, 2011







Washington







Related



Times Topic: Euro







SOMETIMES there is turmoil in the markets because a government threatens to do what is best for its citizens. This seemed to be the case in Europe last week, when the German magazine Der Spiegel reported that the Greek government was threatening to stop using the euro. The euro suffered its worst two-day plunge since December 2008.



Greek and European Union officials denied the report, but a threat by Greece to jettison the euro is long overdue, and it should be prepared to carry it out. As much as the move might cost Greece in the short term, it is very unlikely that such costs would be greater than the many years of recession, stagnation and high unemployment that the European authorities are offering.



The experience of Argentina at the end of 2001 is instructive. For more than three and a half years Argentina had suffered through one of the deepest recessions of the 20th century. Its peso was pegged to the dollar, which is similar to Greece having the euro as its national currency. The Argentines took loans from the International Monetary Fund, and cut spending as poverty and unemployment soared. It was all in vain as the recession deepened.



Then Argentina defaulted on its foreign debt and cut loose from the dollar. Most economists and the business press predicted that years of disaster would ensue. But the economy shrank for just one more quarter after the devaluation and default; it then grew 63 percent over the next six years. More than 11 million people, in a nation of 39 million, were pulled out of poverty.



Within three years Argentina was back to its pre-recession level of output, despite losing more than twice as much of its gross domestic product as Greece has lost in its current recession. By contrast, in Greece, even if things go well, the I.M.F. projects that the economy will take eight years to reach its pre-crisis G.D.P. But this is likely optimistic  the I.M.F. has repeatedly lowered its near-term growth projections for Greece since the crisis began.



The main reason for Argentinas rapid recovery was that it was finally freed from adhering to fiscal and monetary policies that stifled growth. The same would be true for Greece if it were to drop the euro. Greece would also get a boost from the devaluations effect on the trade balance (as Argentina did for the first six months of recovery), since its exports would be more competitive, and imports would be more expensive.



Press reports have also warned of a sharp increase in Greek debt from devaluation if it were to leave the euro zone. But the fact is that Greece would not pay this debt, as Argentina did not pay two-thirds of its foreign debt after its devaluation and default.



Portugal just concluded an agreement with the I.M.F. that projects two more years of recession. No government should accept this kind of punishment. A responsible leader would point out to the European authorities that they have the money to support Greece with countercyclical policies (like fiscal stimulus), though they are choosing not to.



From a creditors point of view, which the European Union authorities have apparently adopted, a country that has accumulated too much debt must be punished, so as not to encourage bad behavior. But punishing an entire country for the past mistakes of some of its leaders, while morally satisfying to some, is hardly the basis for sound policy.



There is also the idea that Greece  as well as Ireland, Spain and Portugal  can recover by means of an internal devaluation. This means increasing unemployment so much that wages fall enough to make the country more internationally competitive. The social costs of such a move, however, are extremely high and it rarely if ever works. Unemployment has doubled in Greece (to 14.7 percent), more than doubled in Spain (to 20.7 percent) and more than tripled in Ireland (to 14.7 percent). But recovery is still elusive.



You can be sure that the European authorities would offer Greece a better deal under a credible threat of leaving the euro zone. In fact, there are indications that they may have already moved in response to last weeks threat.



But the bottom line is that Greece cannot afford to settle for any deal that does not allow it to grow and make its way out of the recession. Loans that require what economists call pro-cyclical policies  cutting spending and raising taxes in the face of recession  should be off the table. The attempt to shrink Greeces way out has failed. If thats all that the European authorities have to offer, then it is time for Greece, and perhaps others, to say goodbye to the euro.





Mark Weisbrot is the co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: Greeks Occupy all Central Squares Arab Style to get IMF Out

Commissioner



http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/damanaki/index_en.htm

stated in the EU today that 'either the Greeks adopt the 2nd round of

cuts and privatisations' with a unity across the two major parties, or

Greece will return to the Drachma.





Taking into account her current postion as an EU Fisheries Minister,

she cant be saying things without high level agreement with

Papandreou. It is being used to threaten and cajole the Opposition

Parties (var the KKE) to allow PASOK to get through its legislative

programme of more cuts by forcing the 180 votes required in Parliament

this time (2/3 of total) otherwise the government will fall. New

Demccracy traidtionally the pro-American party may be seeking a Euro

exit for Greece.





The government doesn't seek elections as it would lose so it is now

pushing for a Plebiscite for the new round of measures sought by the

IMF





At the same time over the last few days, influenced by the Spanish

events 300 Greeks have occupied Sindagma Square (most of them are ex-

Spitha members) and today they called a facebook protest on the square

and 150,000 have signed up on Facebook which has collapsed in Greece.





We Have Woken Up- in Both Greek and Spanish





Atens Madrid Lisbon All of Europe on the Path of Struglle are two of

the banners and slogans shouted.





Tell the Government we wont sell our Country, tell the Politicians to

Leave said one demostrator on live streaming









Overnight Occupation of Athens Centre



All night discussions occuring in the central squares about what to do next.

A main issue is to stay there until the government leaves or for workers to join protests nightly after work if they cant be there round the clock.



The discussion are occurring in a fraternal manner and it is reminiscent of the last days of the junta. The police so far hasn't attacked the demonstrators with tear gas, but the night is long and one doesn't know what will happen. Some will obviously leave but some will return. The spirit is to fight, most of the mass media has ignored it, but it is widespread on the internet.



Facebook and mobile phones where initially blocked in the square but they have returned. The other issue is whether the organised left will join the protests and try to derail them into a safe for capitalism direction. There is a very large component of youth who were organised via the social media and if it lasts during the night and into the morning it will be difficult to get Athens moving.



So workers may end up joining the protests in the morning...



Some pictures from Indymedia

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=1295118



26th may-Update

The police didn't tear gas the massed crowds. A contingent of workers from the electricity workers union GENOP-DEI arrived with a large banner and the crowd supported them.



They placed their banner and shouted slogans outside the Economics Ministry which is on Sindagma Sq which stated We Dont Sell, We Cant Be Sold and shouted slogans, cheap electricity for the masses.



The main media hasn't really promoted it and Facebook was downed a few times alongside mobile phone networks in the centre when people were gathering. The fact that it occurred in every Greek city means there is a shift now and one doesn't know how it will develop as they aren't controlled by the trade union bureaucracy or the political Left and as such it is still new. If nightly gatherings persist and gain in volume it may develop into a real conflict if it isn't derailed or controlled. But by creating a power vacuum, with the state not initially intervening in a heavy hand manner which it has done over the last 12 months every time Greeks have gathered in the centre, may imply the government is looking for an exit, but as yet does not know how or where to go... Maria Damanaki ex-KKE but PASOK for the last two decades and a EuroCommissionerstated in the EU today that 'either the Greeks adopt the 2nd round ofcuts and privatisations' with a unity across the two major parties, orGreece will return to the Drachma.Taking into account her current postion as an EU Fisheries Minister,she cant be saying things without high level agreement withPapandreou. It is being used to threaten and cajole the OppositionParties (var the KKE) to allow PASOK to get through its legislativeprogramme of more cuts by forcing the 180 votes required in Parliamentthis time (2/3 of total) otherwise the government will fall. NewDemccracy traidtionally the pro-American party may be seeking a Euroexit for Greece.The government doesn't seek elections as it would lose so it is nowpushing for a Plebiscite for the new round of measures sought by theIMFAt the same time over the last few days, influenced by the Spanishevents 300 Greeks have occupied Sindagma Square (most of them are ex-Spitha members) and today they called a facebook protest on the squareand 150,000 have signed up on Facebook which has collapsed in Greece.We Have Woken Up- in Both Greek and SpanishAtens Madrid Lisbon All of Europe on the Path of Struglle are two ofthe banners and slogans shouted.Tell the Government we wont sell our Country, tell the Politicians toLeave said one demostrator on live streaming http://www.zougla.gr/page.ashx?pid=85&playerType=flashe streamingAll night discussions occuring in the central squares about what to do next.A main issue is to stay there until the government leaves or for workers to join protests nightly after work if they cant be there round the clock.The discussion are occurring in a fraternal manner and it is reminiscent of the last days of the junta. The police so far hasn't attacked the demonstrators with tear gas, but the night is long and one doesn't know what will happen. Some will obviously leave but some will return. The spirit is to fight, most of the mass media has ignored it, but it is widespread on the internet.Facebook and mobile phones where initially blocked in the square but they have returned. The other issue is whether the organised left will join the protests and try to derail them into a safe for capitalism direction. There is a very large component of youth who were organised via the social media and if it lasts during the night and into the morning it will be difficult to get Athens moving.So workers may end up joining the protests in the morning...Some pictures from IndymediaThe police didn't tear gas the massed crowds. A contingent of workers from the electricity workers union GENOP-DEI arrived with a large banner and the crowd supported them.They placed their banner and shouted slogans outside the Economics Ministry which is on Sindagma Sq which stated We Dont Sell, We Cant Be Sold and shouted slogans, cheap electricity for the masses.The main media hasn't really promoted it and Facebook was downed a few times alongside mobile phone networks in the centre when people were gathering. The fact that it occurred in every Greek city means there is a shift now and one doesn't know how it will develop as they aren't controlled by the trade union bureaucracy or the political Left and as such it is still new. If nightly gatherings persist and gain in volume it may develop into a real conflict if it isn't derailed or controlled. But by creating a power vacuum, with the state not initially intervening in a heavy hand manner which it has done over the last 12 months every time Greeks have gathered in the centre, may imply the government is looking for an exit, but as yet does not know how or where to go...



Last edited by conspiracy analyst on Thu May 26, 2011 9:48 am; edited 1 time in total

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Wed May 25, 2011 10:19 pm Post subject:



http://imfoccupationgreece.blogspot.com/ Update in English

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:



Last edited by conspiracy analyst on Thu May 26, 2011 9:45 am; edited 1 time in total

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:43 am Post subject:

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:44 am Post subject:

Thermate911









Joined: 16 Jul 2007

Posts: 1451

Location: UEMS Angel - now passed awayJoined: 16 Jul 2007Posts: 1451Location: UEMS

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:03 pm Post subject: G'day, ca



In response to your initial post Mike Rivero wrote: "Austerity" is gov-speak for taking more money from you, and instead of using it to improve your life by building schools and hospitals, repairing roads and bridges, and generally improving the infrastructure, giving it to Wall Street to buy back those fraudulent mortgage-backed securities so that the Wall Street crooks who became fabulously wealthy with history's greatest financial scam don't have to use their own money to stay out of jail!



This is, of course, the hallmark of a fascist economic state. Profits are kept private, but losses are socialized across the general population.



As long as you sit there and go along with it, the future will be a continuation of the looting of the American people for the benefit of Wall Street (and Israel).



The irony here is that you accepting a lower standard of living will not actually save the economy or for that matter reduce the debt. The entire monetary system imposed on the nation by the privately-owned Federal Reserve is based on debt. All currency in circulation is the result of a loan from that private central bank as as Americans work to reduce their debt the government must increase its borrowing (on your behalf, without your permission, and with the demand that you eventually pay it back in taxes) in order to keep currency in circulation. So all this "austerity" and "sacrifice" will not actually solve the economic problems of this nation, but will instead simple shift the pain of the disaster from those who caused crash onto those who had nothing whatsoever to do with it.



As long as you go along with it.



But the people of Iceland did not go along with it. They tossed their crooked bankers in prison and fired the government that helped those bankers loot the people. More recently they rebuffed yet another effort by the bankers to trick them into paying the costs of the scam, and threatened to exclude Iceland from the EU if they did not. The people of Iceland, well aware that globalism is why the Wall Street scam ruined the Icelandic banks, do not want to be in the EU anyway and told the banks to go jump in Eyjafjallajökull!



Down in Egypt, the constant pressure for "austerity" and "sacrifice" demanded of the Egyptian people by Mubarak as he sold Egypt's natural gas to Israel at below market prices was a key factor in their revolution (as it was in Cuba's revolution against US puppet Batista). Although now hijacked by US and Israel interests, the revolutions in Yemen, Morocco, and Libya, etc. sprang out of a refusal by the people to continue to make do with less so that the rich could have more. "Austerity" demands led to riots in many nations such as Greece.



The question is, when will it happen in the US? When will Americans regain their right to say "no?" When will Americans remember they are supposed to be a free people, not merely the serfs of the banking class? When will Americans realize that although they are told they are civilized, they are in fact merely domesticated?



When will Americans realize that the rest of the world is laughing at us for hallucinating we are the land of the free and the home of the brave even as our children's futures are sold for Wall Street's bling?



I do hope I've checked that quote sufficiently for expletives! Some of the accompanying images in the original at I do hope I've checked that quote sufficiently for expletives! Some of the accompanying images in the original at www.whatreallyhappened.org would not go down too well here ;-/

_________________

"We will lead every revolution against us!" - attrib: Theodor Herzl



"Timely Demise to All Oppressors - at their Convenience!" - 'Interesting Times', Terry Pratchett

TonyGosling









Joined: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 17753

Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England EditorJoined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 17753Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England

Posted: Thu May 26, 2011 9:16 pm Post subject: Default looms over protest-ridden Greece

http://rt.com/news/greece-billion-greek-euro/

Published: 26 May, 2011, 13:09

Mass protests have once again erupted in Greece after the government adopted an austerity plan to meet the demands of the EU and IMF creditors. Without it, the country may not be able to pay its sovereign debt and even be forced out of the euro zone.

The wave of protests has been intensified by new sources of activists when on Wednesday, Greece saw the first-ever rally organized by the so-called “movement of concerned citizens”. The 2,000-strong protest was organized through social networking services and involved people not associated with trade unions. Smaller rallies took place in several other Greek cities, including Thessaloniki, Volos and Katerini.

The protests came in response to a plan adopted by the government on Monday. It includes budget cuts, tax increases and privatization of national property. Government plans to add an extra six billion euros to the budget through cuts and taxation this year and a further 22 billion euros between 2012 and 2015.

Greece will also privatize a number of companies in several industries including telecommunication, banking, ports and railroads, energy, defense and the extraction of mineral resources. The privatization will return some 50 billion euros into the national coffers by 2015, the government expects.

The controversial plan will help Athens tackle the problem of its 340 billion euros national debt. The measures are also a prerequisite for a new trench of the 110 billion euros aid program set up by the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Without the trench, Greece may well be facing a sovereign default, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou warned.

Leader of the opposition party New Democracy Antonis Samaras said on Tuesday that the measures don’t solve the country’s financial problems and requires sacrifices on behalf of Greek people without any prospects of a future......... Published: 26 May, 2011, 13:09Mass protests have once again erupted in Greece after the government adopted an austerity plan to meet the demands of the EU and IMF creditors. Without it, the country may not be able to pay its sovereign debt and even be forced out of the euro zone.The wave of protests has been intensified by new sources of activists when on Wednesday, Greece saw the first-ever rally organized by the so-called “movement of concerned citizens”. The 2,000-strong protest was organized through social networking services and involved people not associated with trade unions. Smaller rallies took place in several other Greek cities, including Thessaloniki, Volos and Katerini.The protests came in response to a plan adopted by the government on Monday. It includes budget cuts, tax increases and privatization of national property. Government plans to add an extra six billion euros to the budget through cuts and taxation this year and a further 22 billion euros between 2012 and 2015.Greece will also privatize a number of companies in several industries including telecommunication, banking, ports and railroads, energy, defense and the extraction of mineral resources. The privatization will return some 50 billion euros into the national coffers by 2015, the government expects.The controversial plan will help Athens tackle the problem of its 340 billion euros national debt. The measures are also a prerequisite for a new trench of the 110 billion euros aid program set up by the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Without the trench, Greece may well be facing a sovereign default, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou warned.Leader of the opposition party New Democracy Antonis Samaras said on Tuesday that the measures don’t solve the country’s financial problems and requires sacrifices on behalf of Greek people without any prospects of a future.........

_________________

www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org

www.rethink911.org

www.patriotsquestion911.com

www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org

www.mediafor911truth.org

www.pilotsfor911truth.org

www.mp911truth.org

www.ae911truth.org

www.rl911truth.org

www.stj911.org

www.v911t.org

www.thisweek.org.uk

www.abolishwar.org.uk

www.elementary.org.uk

www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149

http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf

"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

https://37.220.108.147/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/ _________________"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

TonyGosling









Joined: 25 Jul 2005

Posts: 17753

Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England EditorJoined: 25 Jul 2005Posts: 17753Location: St. Pauls, Bristol, England

Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:48 pm Post subject: IMF prepares Garage Sale of Greek public services



Greece prepares for asset fire sale

ERIC REGULY

ROME— From Monday's Globe and Mail

Published Sunday, May. 29, 2011 7:43PM EDT

Greece is gearing up for its biggest privatization effort. The unions are gearing up to stop it. If they win, Greece’s ability to stave off a default is in serious jeopardy.

Under pressure from its paymasters – the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank – Athens agreed to launch the aggressive privatization program a few days ago. Theoretically worth €50-billion ($70-billion), it would see everything from state investments in phone companies to shipping ports sold off.

Mass privatizations have emerged as one of the main conditions for the next instalment of Greece’s €110-billion bailout package, received a year ago, when the country hit the debt wall and was unable to fund itself. If the privatizations proceed, the EU might also agree to some other goodies, such as trimming the interest rates on Greece’s bailout loans, or extending their maturities.

Unless Athens receives the next €12-billion loan instalment, Greece would “most likely” go bankrupt, Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said in a TV interview earlier this week. “The country would stop paying salaries, pensions and its other expenses. The shutters would come down.”

The privatization effort is designed to buy time while deeper austerity and reform programs are put in place, pay down some debt and make the economy more competitive by shedding bloated businesses, even if the privatizations themselves will involve considerable cost, such as paying investment bankers and lawyers, and soak up a lot of bureaucratic management time. Quick privatizations also risk fire-sale prices. The sale of any profitable, stake-controlled enterprises would also deprive the government of steady cash flow.

Spain is another country that is trying to use privatizations to plug financial holes. This week, it announced the sale of Loterias, the state lottery company famous for its “El Gordo” (The Fat One) Christmas lottery, whose payout is thought to be the world’s biggest.

The privatization effort is off to a rocky start. On Friday, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou failed to gain opposition support for the new austerity program, including the privatizations and higher taxes. But since his socialist party has a majority in Parliament, he should be able to push through the reforms even without cross-party support.

Economists and analysts think the Greek privatizations are both essential and too ambitious. They note that Greece’s historic privatization efforts have been largely unsuccessful and the new effort is already being fiercely resisted by opposition parties and the unions.

“You have very powerful unions who have a very cozy life because of government ownership,” said Michael Mitsopoulos, an economist in Athens for the Association of Greek Industries. “They won’t be happy to accept their loss of privilege.”

Already the unions, backed by most of the opposition parties, are preparing for a fight. Thousands of Greeks took to the streets in Athens and Thessaloniki on Wednesday to protest the reform effort. The day before, employees of Postbank, one of the state investments that is to be sold, blocked the entrance to the retail bank’s headquarters in Athens. The country’s public sector umbrella union, ADEDY, plans to hold a 24-hour strike next month to protest the privatizations.

The GSEE union, which claims to have a million members, also plans to protest the austerity and privatization efforts. “Our response will come in the street,” Stathis Anestis, a senior GSEE member, told AFP. “This is no rescue package, it’s a liquidation.”

The privatizations are sweeping and are to include the government’s stakes in public and private companies and land. They include OTE, the largest telecommunications company in the Balkans; the ports of Piraeus, near Athens, and Thessaloniki; PPC, the country’s biggest electricity producer; horse-racing player ODIE; and train operator TrainOSE.

Details of the sales’ timing, value and strategy are scant. While some analysts think raising €50-billion is unrealistic, others say it’s possible, though land sales could bog down under the weight of legal and zoning restrictions. The IMF has estimated that Greece has state assets worth more than 100 per cent of GDP, though the country’s debt-to-GDP ratio, at an estimated 143 per cent this year, is considerably higher and the highest among the euro zone countries.

Greece’s first privatization effort was launched in the early 1990s under Stefanos Manos, who was minister of economy and finance at the time. Before he lost his job in 1993, the telecom industry deregulation was well under way and public-private partnerships were put in place. Later, banking was deregulated to some degree. But then the political will to keep going evaporated and the deregulation and privatization processes pretty much stopped.

Mr. Manos says some of the state enterprises are wildly inefficient, make-work projects. He noted that the salaries of the state rail company vastly exceeded the company’s revenues. In an interview last year, he said the government would save money if closed the rail system and paid for cabs for everyone.

The waste continues. Rail employees get extra pay if their train journeys take them more than 50 kilometres from their home town. Employees of the state oil company receive a daily food stipend even though cafeteria food is free.

Mr. Mitsopoulos says the biggest potential obstacle to the success of the privatization program is a dragged-out process. Fast sales would do two things, he said. It would collect a lot of money quickly, which could be used to pay down debt, and it would deliver the message that Greece is finally serious about making its economy competitive. “All these state investments are burdens on the government,” he said. “Privatizations will deliver productivity gains and they can be transformed into tax-paying entities.”

A slow process, he said, would reinforce the government’s image for dithering. Worse, the trickle of proceeds from the sales would not be enough to pay down debt and would be used instead merely to fund deficits, leaving Greece’s crushing debt load intact.

Privatizations are expected to pick up pace across the EU, as countries with budgets deficits above the 3-per-cent EU limit look for quick debt fixes in the absence of strong GDP growth. The Loterias privatization in Spain is expected to raise about €10-billion, valuing the company at as much as €25-billion, making it the second-largest gaming company in the world, behind casino manager Las Vegas Sands.

Portugal is also planning a slew of privatizations aimed at making its perennially sluggish economy more competitive.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/greece-prepares-for- asset-fire-sale/article2039143/ Greece prepares for asset fire saleERIC REGULYROME— From Monday's Globe and MailPublished Sunday, May. 29, 2011 7:43PM EDTGreece is gearing up for its biggest privatization effort. The unions are gearing up to stop it. If they win, Greece’s ability to stave off a default is in serious jeopardy.Under pressure from its paymasters – the European Union, the International Monetary Fund and the European Central Bank – Athens agreed to launch the aggressive privatization program a few days ago. Theoretically worth €50-billion ($70-billion), it would see everything from state investments in phone companies to shipping ports sold off.Unless Athens receives the next €12-billion loan instalment, Greece would “most likely” go bankrupt, Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said in a TV interview earlier this week. “The country would stop paying salaries, pensions and its other expenses. The shutters would come down.”The privatization effort is designed to buy time while deeper austerity and reform programs are put in place, pay down some debt and make the economy more competitive by shedding bloated businesses, even if the privatizations themselves will involve considerable cost, such as paying investment bankers and lawyers, and soak up a lot of bureaucratic management time. Quick privatizations also risk fire-sale prices. The sale of any profitable, stake-controlled enterprises would also deprive the government of steady cash flow.Spain is another country that is trying to use privatizations to plug financial holes. This week, it announced the sale of Loterias, the state lottery company famous for its “El Gordo” (The Fat One) Christmas lottery, whose payout is thought to be the world’s biggest.The privatization effort is off to a rocky start. On Friday, Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou failed to gain opposition support for the new austerity program, including the privatizations and higher taxes. But since his socialist party has a majority in Parliament, he should be able to push through the reforms even without cross-party support.Economists and analysts think the Greek privatizations are both essential and too ambitious. They note that Greece’s historic privatization efforts have been largely unsuccessful and the new effort is already being fiercely resisted by opposition parties and the unions.“You have very powerful unions who have a very cozy life because of government ownership,” said Michael Mitsopoulos, an economist in Athens for the Association of Greek Industries. “They won’t be happy to accept their loss of privilege.”Already the unions, backed by most of the opposition parties, are preparing for a fight. Thousands of Greeks took to the streets in Athens and Thessaloniki on Wednesday to protest the reform effort. The day before, employees of Postbank, one of the state investments that is to be sold, blocked the entrance to the retail bank’s headquarters in Athens. The country’s public sector umbrella union, ADEDY, plans to hold a 24-hour strike next month to protest the privatizations.The GSEE union, which claims to have a million members, also plans to protest the austerity and privatization efforts. “Our response will come in the street,” Stathis Anestis, a senior GSEE member, told AFP. “This is no rescue package, it’s a liquidation.”The privatizations are sweeping and are to include the government’s stakes in public and private companies and land. They include OTE, the largest telecommunications company in the Balkans; the ports of Piraeus, near Athens, and Thessaloniki; PPC, the country’s biggest electricity producer; horse-racing player ODIE; and train operator TrainOSE.Details of the sales’ timing, value and strategy are scant. While some analysts think raising €50-billion is unrealistic, others say it’s possible, though land sales could bog down under the weight of legal and zoning restrictions. The IMF has estimated that Greece has state assets worth more than 100 per cent of GDP, though the country’s debt-to-GDP ratio, at an estimated 143 per cent this year, is considerably higher and the highest among the euro zone countries.Greece’s first privatization effort was launched in the early 1990s under Stefanos Manos, who was minister of economy and finance at the time. Before he lost his job in 1993, the telecom industry deregulation was well under way and public-private partnerships were put in place. Later, banking was deregulated to some degree. But then the political will to keep going evaporated and the deregulation and privatization processes pretty much stopped.Mr. Manos says some of the state enterprises are wildly inefficient, make-work projects. He noted that the salaries of the state rail company vastly exceeded the company’s revenues. In an interview last year, he said the government would save money if closed the rail system and paid for cabs for everyone.The waste continues. Rail employees get extra pay if their train journeys take them more than 50 kilometres from their home town. Employees of the state oil company receive a daily food stipend even though cafeteria food is free.Mr. Mitsopoulos says the biggest potential obstacle to the success of the privatization program is a dragged-out process. Fast sales would do two things, he said. It would collect a lot of money quickly, which could be used to pay down debt, and it would deliver the message that Greece is finally serious about making its economy competitive. “All these state investments are burdens on the government,” he said. “Privatizations will deliver productivity gains and they can be transformed into tax-paying entities.”A slow process, he said, would reinforce the government’s image for dithering. Worse, the trickle of proceeds from the sales would not be enough to pay down debt and would be used instead merely to fund deficits, leaving Greece’s crushing debt load intact.Privatizations are expected to pick up pace across the EU, as countries with budgets deficits above the 3-per-cent EU limit look for quick debt fixes in the absence of strong GDP growth. The Loterias privatization in Spain is expected to raise about €10-billion, valuing the company at as much as €25-billion, making it the second-largest gaming company in the world, behind casino manager Las Vegas Sands.Portugal is also planning a slew of privatizations aimed at making its perennially sluggish economy more competitive.

_________________

www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org

www.rethink911.org

www.patriotsquestion911.com

www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org

www.mediafor911truth.org

www.pilotsfor911truth.org

www.mp911truth.org

www.ae911truth.org

www.rl911truth.org

www.stj911.org

www.v911t.org

www.thisweek.org.uk

www.abolishwar.org.uk

www.elementary.org.uk

www.radio4all.net/index.php/contributor/2149

http://utangente.free.fr/2003/media2003.pdf

"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

https://37.220.108.147/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/ _________________"The maintenance of secrets acts like a psychic poison which alienates the possessor from the community" Carl Jung

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:25 am Post subject:



The occupation continues for a 7th night.

Some scenes with the background music of a new song by a popular Greek

singer called Cooking Pot about how empty it will become.... and a lot

more.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydMN1PITgp8&feature=player_embedded





The media hasn't interviewed people on the square and just mentions

it.





7,000 attended a meeting in the centre with Theodorakis as speaker and

many shouted for Papandreou to leave now. Theodorakis said this film

has been replayed before in 1944 with his grandfather in the same

place (implying that this led to defeat of the Left) and he got booed

for it...





A video of the speech today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6aA3AjzYOUo





From the video one can clearly discern the waving of Greek flags and

the social composition of the audience which clearly isn't middle

class.





Greece will allegedly receive its 5th interim loan this week after

agreement by Merkel, but massive cuts in benefits are going to be the

payback, so it looks like the demos on the streets of the major cities

in Greece will continue as the crisis aint going away The occupation continues for a 7th night.Some scenes with the background music of a new song by a popular Greeksinger called Cooking Pot about how empty it will become.... and a lotmore.The media hasn't interviewed people on the square and just mentionsit.7,000 attended a meeting in the centre with Theodorakis as speaker andmany shouted for Papandreou to leave now. Theodorakis said this filmhas been replayed before in 1944 with his grandfather in the sameplace (implying that this led to defeat of the Left) and he got booedfor it...A video of the speech today.From the video one can clearly discern the waving of Greek flags andthe social composition of the audience which clearly isn't middleclass.Greece will allegedly receive its 5th interim loan this week afteragreement by Merkel, but massive cuts in benefits are going to be thepayback, so it looks like the demos on the streets of the major citiesin Greece will continue as the crisis aint going away

conspiracy analyst









Joined: 27 Sep 2005

Posts: 2277

Trustworthy Freedom FighterJoined: 27 Sep 2005Posts: 2277

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:12 am Post subject:







Eyewitness Account: Greece Central Athens Square Occupation







For over 11 days Greeks have occupied the main squares in many cities, Athens, Thessaloniki, Patras, Iraklion. Left leaderless from all the parties that inhabit Parliament they are confronted with more IMF imposed measures to save a moribund capitalism which seeks to maintain its rule only at the expense of turning Greeks into a modern version of slaves of a new Roman Empire. The wholescale privatisation of Greece is on the cards alongside mass redundancies in the public sector as well as the control of the Greek Economics Ministry directly from Brussells.







Whilst the movement of occupation started as the consequence of the last general strike and influenced by events in North Africa from Tunisia through to Egypt and Libya, the Greek developments have taken on a distinctly Greek colouring. Based on ancient Greek history and the battle of 300 Greeks alone against the Persian hordes, a group of Greeks, and not only them decided to camp in the main city square opposite Parliament and demand a Plebiscite on the IMF imposed measures. Most of them were organised previously in the Spitha movement associated with Mikis Theodorakis but disillusioned with it when they heard there were moves to form a government they started a tidal wave which has grown beyond their initial expectations. Many via Facebook started to campaign independently for direct action by occupying squares and