

Simba7

I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24

Fromberg, MT 1 edit Simba7 Member Cacti I use Cacti on a separate server on my network. It just sends SNMP requests to the router and graphs the responses. Too bad they disabled SNMP access on the cable modem itself.



Oh ya, I have it send a request every minute, so the graphs are nice and smooth (at times) and highly accurate.



Overkill, ya.. But when this crap happens, it's nice to have.



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25

Sussex, NJ fifty nine Member Re: Cacti I use RRDTool graphs built into pfsense (my firewall).



It usually matches up with what PenTeleData's usage page says I use.



DarkLogix

Texan and Proud

Premium Member

join:2008-10-23

Baytown, TX DarkLogix to Simba7

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I now use PRTG

I have it logging the usage in/out the wan router interface, LAN, 1st switch, 2nd switch



as a bonus it also logs router and switch cpu usage and recently I got it to graph the cable modem RF data



pnh102

Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty

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Mount Airy, MD pnh102 Premium Member Perfect Role for Government Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene, as they have the authority to verify any meter or scale used in a commercial transaction for accuracy. Even the federal government could get involved as this can be an interstate commerce issue.



If your electric company or water company attempted to overcharge you based on an inaccurate meter, they would be in some trouble. If a gas station charges you for one gallon of gas and you only received 2/3 a gallon, that station would also be in some trouble. If a grocery store charged you for 1 pound of apples but you only received half a pound, that store would be in some trouble.



AT&T should be subject to the same scrutiny. I hope every manner of government agency insists that these meters be verifiable, so much so that it causes AT&T so many problems that they reconsider their metered approach to broadband.

moes

Premium Member

join:2009-11-15

Cedar City, UT ·TDS

1 recommendation moes Premium Member Re: Perfect Role for Government problem with att is they have everybody in there pockets so I never expect and outcome that will be worth it to us the users of there service, as to why I am packing my shit and hitting the road. They do not get it, we're not sheep and we will go find better pastures to roam and play in.



robot

join:2003-07-02

Darien, IL robot Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Big Oil has everyone in their pockets and a gas station still would get in trouble.

Chuck_IV

join:2003-11-18

Connecticut Chuck_IV Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Gas stations are normally independently owned and operated. So no, the OIL company won't get in trouble, the OWNER of the gas station will.



vpoko

Premium Member

join:2003-07-03

Boston, MA vpoko Premium Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Still, the oil company would get in trouble if they shorted the gas station (or their distributor, etc).



kevinloydw

join:2001-08-18

Salem, OR kevinloydw Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Big oil never got into trouble when they short changed Super America, back when I worked for them. They blamed it on the truck driver(* independent agent) whenever we were able to show delivery of less than paid for. Which happened about once every other month or so. I always took a measurement right before pump in and one right after....

sqinky

Premium Member

join:2001-01-24

Fernley, NV sqinky to robot

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Not to rain on your argument, but Big Oil doesn't own many local filling stations...

pepe7

join:2003-08-25 1 recommendation pepe7 Member Re: Perfect Role for Government I hate to poop on your wonderful parade, but big oil indirectly "owns" the folks who supply the gas stations.



Less of big oil, big auto & the airlines (along with most of the big banks) in this country would be a good thing for everyone.

PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08

Dayton, OH PhotoDLG Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Wow! Someone who gets it! A call for smaller business to go with smaller government. The bigger 'big business' gets the bigger government HAS to be to keep it in check!



Kudos!



baineschile

2600 ways to live

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join:2008-05-10

Sterling Heights, MI baineschile to pnh102

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ATT would just contest the DDWRT is wrong. Obivously they are getting their data from somwhere.



Personally, its hard to believe that someone downloaded 330gb and uploaded less than 1gb

beaups

join:2003-08-11

Hilliard, OH beaups Member Re: Perfect Role for Government What's the ratio for acknowledgement packets (excuse my poor lingo here)? 330:1 is pretty hard to imagine. Wouldn't more upload be used just to send acknowledgements? (again, sorry for lingo again).

Prototype5

join:2003-09-24 Prototype5 Member Re: Perfect Role for Government There acks are not just fewer in number but smaller in size as well.



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

Premium Member

join:2003-07-20

Jamestown, NC Matt3 to baineschile

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said by baineschile: Personally, its hard to believe that someone downloaded 330gb and uploaded less than 1gb It's AT&T's line-by-line math that is claiming he only used .72GB of data, even though the total says 20GB.



Boby

@bellsouth.net Boby to baineschile

Anon to baineschile

Try Usenet

cramer

Premium Member

join:2007-04-10

Raleigh, NC Westell 6100

Cisco PIX 501

1 recommendation cramer to baineschile

Premium Member to baineschile

DDWRT is wrong by default. AT&T is monitoring the ATM interface on the DSLAM. Those numbers will be *insanely* inflated. First by the overhead of ATM/AAL5. Then by cell padding. EVERY cell is 53bytes -- 5 byte header (AAL5) 48 byte payload. Even if there's only 3 bytes in the payload, you transfered 53bytes; you're charged for 53bytes. The overhead is, well, a lot.



(Then there's the wasted bits due to errors. They cross the line, you pay for them.)



Matt3

All noise, no signal.

Premium Member

join:2003-07-20

Jamestown, NC Matt3 Premium Member Re: Perfect Role for Government said by cramer: DDWRT is wrong by default. AT&T is monitoring the ATM interface on the DSLAM. Those numbers will be *insanely* inflated. First by the overhead of ATM/AAL5. Then by cell padding. EVERY cell is 53bytes -- 5 byte header (AAL5) 48 byte payload. Even if there's only 3 bytes in the payload, you transfered 53bytes; you're charged for 53bytes. The overhead is, well, a lot.



(Then there's the wasted bits due to errors. They cross the line, you pay for them.)





That may be the case, but can you explain why usage is frequently GIGABYTES out of whack? Hey fellow NC guy.That may be the case, but can you explain why usage is frequently GIGABYTES out of whack?

cramer

Premium Member

join:2007-04-10

Raleigh, NC Westell 6100

Cisco PIX 501

1 recommendation cramer Premium Member Re: Perfect Role for Government OVERHEAD



I don't know what your traffic looks like, so I cannot even guess what kind of "cell tax" you're likely to see. Baseline it should be off by around 10%, just because of AAL5. But PPPoE and cell padding pushes that number up. (cell padding is what's really going to add up.)



overhead = [roundup((ppp frame+8)/48) * 53] - [ppp frame]



So, a (random) 416 byte frame would have 61 bytes of overhead. It takes 9 frames (477B) to transmit it, the last frame has 8B of padding plus the 8B AAL5 trailer.



ifo33

@comcast.net ifo33 to pnh102

Anon to pnh102

We shouldn't be having meters in the FIRST place, companies start putting this in, we all start getting used to meters, like its an every day thing and they have to be there. Fight this people!!



There are no reasons for caps, none. There is no logical reason why someone should be capped for the amount of internet through wired networks they are using in a time when there is no strain on wired networks, plenty of back haul and no lack of bandwidth.



again......



The internet IS NOT WATER and it's NOT ELECTRICITY, why do people constantly compare this to these? They are totally UNRELATED and are completely different, the internet isn't some resource like water or electricity, it's something that's completely plentiful and will never "run out" or go "bad". It is also not GAS, you don't have a limit on how much you can go on the internet, as long as your computer has juice it's good to go.



Caps for ATT/Comcast/etc might seem fine for most people now, it's when you start hitting those caps when people get upset, and by then it's too late, it becomes the norm with ISP's. How the hell can any of you people support what these companies are doing? Do you have any justified reason?



I repeat, there is NO REASON for caps/meters on wired internet, PERIOD

exeter

join:2011-02-07 exeter Member Re: Perfect Role for Government "US Government proposal to charge $5 for every liter of air you breath. This proposal came before congress in an attempt to find proper funding for public health care......"



They might as well, I pay 50 cents every time I fill up my car tires with air. lol

gorehound

join:2009-06-19

Portland, ME gorehound to pnh102

Member to pnh102

politicians have been bought and payed for.we are so screwed and doomed



Fighterpilot

join:2000-04-20

Saint Louis, MO Fighterpilot to pnh102

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Govt get involved? HELL FN NO. Govt gets involved and costs/taxes go up. Companies don't pay taxes, YOU DO. Any federally mandated tax/cost/compliance/etc will just be passed onto the consumer. No thanks.

PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08

Dayton, OH PhotoDLG Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Um, reality check needed. The government hasn't been involved in AT&T's business, hasn't been overseeing their metrics and yet the costs HAVE gone up in the form of over-charges and outright lies that ARE ALREADY passed on to the consumer.



SHEESH! You anti-government types will NEVER get it!



Fighterpilot

join:2000-04-20

Saint Louis, MO Fighterpilot Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Govt hasn't been involved? Hahahhahah sure they're not. Why give AT&T more excuses to add to the bill, if as you state, they're already doing that?



Go start your own phone company if you don't like theirs.

PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08

Dayton, OH PhotoDLG Member Re: Perfect Role for Government As usual, someone who doesn't know the history of the telecommunications industry. It was government, federal, state and local that paved the way for telcos to string up their lines by way of rules, regulations, bills and, oh yes, public tax money. AT&T didn't do it without our help. Start my own phone company? WE, the taxpaying citizens, already did!



You as much admit that AT&T has had NO interference from government by not even addressing the point I made. Your response: "well, let's not give government a chance to raise rates even more" is quite telling and very typical.



Fighterpilot

join:2000-04-20

Saint Louis, MO Fighterpilot Member Re: Perfect Role for Government You don't think if the govt comes in and tells ATT to make sure their meters are right ATT isn't going to pass on the cost to do that to the consumer? What world do you live in where companies just absorb federally mandated rules that cost them money? In the end it's just your word against ATT's meter and their meter is the one doing the billing. So until you start your own telco you're at their mercy. Deal with it or move on to another telco but either way if people say 'get the govt involved' you'll be paying for that involvement in the end. To think that won't be the case shows a lack of understanding how govt uses companies as the heavy against the public.

PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08

Dayton, OH PhotoDLG Member Re: Perfect Role for Government You still haven't denied or disproved that AT&T has raised rates capriciously WITHOUT the government looking over their shoulder!



Since my reading comprehension is apparently better than yours I will answer your question. Since they already have meters and it is their responsibility to make sure they are accurately charging their customers, yes. I do believe the government can make sure they are accurately charging their customers. If they are found to be gouging their customers through the use of inaccurate meters, what doesn't hurt them by way of class action will hurt through the use of fines and threat of REREGULATION! They could be ordered to submit to closer scrutiny for ANY AND ALL future rate increases and, dependent upon how friendly any given administration is to them, they may very well listen. Now do I think they will ind another reason to justify rate increases? We've already seen they do. But merely being to to accurately bill their customer using meters they already have should shouldn't cost any more than it does to INACCURATELY bill them!



Fighterpilot

join:2000-04-20

Saint Louis, MO Fighterpilot Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Well we agree on your last sentence at least. It shouldn't cost them more to bill accurately or inaccurately with their current meters. But, It's their meter, ATT thinks they are accurate and are recording as such. No where I've heard/read does the govt mandate/regulate/approve/etc internet usage data meters or there's a consortium of providers and they've all agreed on the type of meter and where it's metering. This is all new. Until someone comes down and clarifies how the data should be measured and where it should be measured (i.e. a standard) ATT will have the final say. If ATTs saying here's how and where we measure data then we can at least set a baseline. Consumers can decide if they want to stay w/ ATT or not once that information is known. Hell, they can decide now just based on the fact there's going to be a meter.



Who's saying the meter is inaccurate BTW? ATT, the govt, some third party, or some group of users? It's a he said/she said at best here until more is known.



Will ATT find some reason to raise rates? Of course, all companies do. As consumers if we don't like it we can just move on. Broadband is not a right and a lot of companies offer it. What I don't want happening, back to my original statement, is the govt coming into ALL companies and saying put the meter here and meter this. When that happens costs for ALL consumers will rise.



annonymisss

@comcast.net annonymisss to PhotoDLG

Anon to PhotoDLG

Uh, not really. You don't know telcom history either it seems.



The government STOPPED small telcom companies early on because they didn't want a mass of wires strung all over the place.



That and they also didn't want these small telcoms to only wire up say NY NY, and Chicago and forget every other small town.



Every bad thing that people always point to business and say "see, big business is EVIL" usually is caused by the stick their finger in it government that wants to run your life.



And you guys keep voting them in and letting them run more and more of your life.



Now you're going to let them tell you what doctor to see, and they will have the right to see what's wrong with you, and I bet they end up passing it along to insurance companies that won't give you life insurance because of some ailment the should be private and between you and your doctor.



Have fun in your nanny state guys.

PhotoDLG

join:2003-02-08

Dayton, OH 3 edits 1 recommendation PhotoDLG Member Re: Perfect Role for Government Uh, actually I know it better than you do. The government didn't stop anything, it was the larger telcos that lobbied the government to erect barriers of entry to the smaller companies, mainly by charging outrageous fees for the smaller companies to use lines already in existence. And don't bother with that B.S. about the lines belonging to the larger companies and said companies having the right to profit from their lines because, again, the larger companies owe their very existence to the taxpayers of this country who subsidized THEIR growth.



MCI, Qwest, Northern Telecom, Sprint, all from the much larger list of "smaller companies" you say the government stopped. Many of them you have probably never heard of because they don't exist now because of said practices or being bought up to eliminate competition. These companies had the effect of lowering telecommunications rates for a brief moment in time but you're obviously too young to know anything about real life.

If you stop listening to Rush/Beck/O'Reilly and actually do you own research you won't sound so uninformed when you hit the keys on your keyboard.



Go do some more research, get your facts straight and then come back and play!



Have fun letting the neocons lead you down a path to ruin!



fatness

subtle



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said by pnh102: Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene, as they have the authority to verify any meter or scale used in a commercial transaction for accuracy. Even the federal government could get involved as this can be an interstate commerce issue.



If your electric company or water company attempted to overcharge you based on an inaccurate meter, they would be in some trouble.





Metered billing is a huge money grab, and huge money will be spent defending it. While I agree with you about objective measurement of usage, you have to remember that the electric company and water company are (for the most part) complete monopolies. They can bill accurately and just raise rates as needed to meet costs and they don't need to lobby much to do so. Telcos are (so far) incomplete monopolies, so they have much more lobbying to do to get their way. Spending millions on lobbying as they do pretty much guarantees that the government will be reluctant to measure objectively, and will be more inclined to "study" and finally give contracts to telcos to come up with 'accurate' measuring tools.Metered billing is a huge money grab, and huge money will be spent defending it.



pnh102

Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty

Premium Member

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Mount Airy, MD pnh102 Premium Member Re: Perfect Role for Government said by fatness: While I agree with you about objective measurement of usage, you have to remember that the electric company and water company are (for the most part) complete monopolies. True, but gas stations, grocery stores and other stores that are not monopolies which use scales, meters or other measurements as part of commercial transactions are required by states to be accurate. I see no reason why AT&T should be exempt from this.

PhotoDLG

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Dayton, OH 2 recommendations PhotoDLG to pnh102

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Judging by your tagline on "net neutrality zealots" I would guess that your political leanings are to the right (or "centrist" when convenient) and possibly a tea party supporter. But yet, when it PERSONALLY affects you, you want the government to step in and help. This is typical of most 'conservatives'.



Yet government has, thus far, kept its hands off ISP's and, like most conservatives want, have been left to 'settle the market themselves' and now you're surprised that big business (in this case, AT&T) is RAPING its customers???? Whatever!



Airline travel, telecommunications, oil and energy, banking and finance: all mostly deregulated to the point of NO REGULATION or anyone watching (caring?) and look at the mess they are all in and have caused consumers. Yeah, this less government thing is really working.



Do yourself a favor and GOOGLE/BING/YAHOO how GE is effectively paying NO U.S. taxes. You know that argument conservatives like to trot out? Cut taxes and regulations and corporations will start to hire again? Bullsh*t! GE is REDUCING its U.S. workforce on a REGULAR basis.



If conservatives don't wake up there won't be USA, home of the free, land of the brave to get an erection for!



ArgMeMatey

join:2001-08-09

Milwaukee, WI ArgMeMatey to pnh102

Member to pnh102

said by pnh102: Looks like it is time for state and local governments to intervene





Thanks for voting for Scott Walker, everybody!



»www.jsonline.com/newswat ··· 659.html Good news! Apparently Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker agrees with you, because he just hired AT&T water boy Phil Montgomery to head the state public service commission. I'm sure we can all relax and go back to our netflix now.Thanks for voting for Scott Walker, everybody!



elios

join:2005-11-15

Springfield, MO elios to pnh102

Member to pnh102

my thought has always been if they want to meter it

then it needs to be treated just like any other utility if AT&T doesnt like it then stop metering or deal



Uncle Paul

join:2003-02-04

USA Uncle Paul Member If their DSL Meter is wrong I wonder how good their capped wireless meter is.

nocannothave

join:2006-10-14

Kennewick, WA nocannothave Member Re: If their DSL Meter is wrong said by Uncle Paul: I wonder how good their capped wireless meter is.

The accuracy of an ISP's usage meter is inversely proportional to the size of said cap.



morbo

Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22

00000 morbo to Uncle Paul

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Excellent point. Considering how expensive wireless overages are, we need data on this for evidence for the trial.



chucky5150

Divers do it Deeper

join:2001-11-03

New Iberia, LA chucky5150 Member Why Why is it so hard to get an accurate usage reading?



a bit is a bit is a bit, right?

lkrupp

join:2001-07-14

Collinsville, IL lkrupp Member Class action soon to follow... No doubt there will be some sort of class action lawsuit over this IF it can be proven that AT&T can't provide accurate usage data.

MaynardKrebs

We did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee.

Premium Member

join:2009-06-17 1 recommendation MaynardKrebs Premium Member Re: Class action soon to follow... said by lkrupp: No doubt there will be some sort of class action lawsuit over this IF it can be proven that AT&T can't provide accurate usage data.







You see it's in the national interest to have customers pay and pay until it hurts....just in the same way it's in the national interest for the NSA to scoop up every bit of correspondence (voice, text, pictures) you have and log all the web sites and searches you make. You'll never get access to AT&T's data because they probably keep the byte counters in the same rooms the NSA uses at AT&T facilities.You see it's in the national interest to have customers pay and pay until it hurts....just in the same way it's in the national interest for the NSA to scoop up every bit of correspondence (voice, text, pictures) you have and log all the web sites and searches you make.



Baconbitswi

@sbcglobal.net Baconbitswi to lkrupp

Anon to lkrupp





"Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. YOU AGREE THAT, BY ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT, YOU AND AT&T ARE EACH WAIVING THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION WITH RESPECT TO ARBITRATION CLAIMS. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement."

»www.att.net/tos2011 Except for the fact that AT&T changed their terms to state that their customers will not follow a Class Action suit, and all disagreements will be done by arbitration. Alas, the only way out, is to lose their service."Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. YOU AGREE THAT, BY ENTERING INTO THIS AGREEMENT, YOU AND AT&T ARE EACH WAIVING THE RIGHT TO A TRIAL BY JURY AND TO PARTICIPATE IN A CLASS ACTION WITH RESPECT TO ARBITRATION CLAIMS. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement."

gworkman

join:2005-10-18

Las Vegas, NV gworkman Member Guess I am OK Here's the message I get for one of my business accounts...



AT&T is not able to capture usage data on all of its customers. Customers whose usage is not available for viewing should not be concerned about their usage patterns for billing purposes.



To learn more about how to manage your usage, please visit www.att.com/internet-usage

amungus

Premium Member

join:2004-11-26

America amungus Premium Member Nice writeup Props for the good writeup and the very in-depth detail.



Should I move and find DSL my only option, or decide to give it a try, I will also be buying a UPS for my modem/router (Tomato seems to "forget" stats when it loses power). Does DD-WRT "remember" usage stats after loss of power?



On the point of the cap itself, 150GB/mo doesn't seem like a very fair amount of use to start out with. Maybe for 1.5Mbps service, but even then it'd be quite easy to surpass this amount without much effort.

Ncrdrg4

join:2011-01-25

Brossard, QC Ncrdrg4 Member Watching the usage with our own equipment is key I have to agree. Having your own router keeping watch on your bandwidth usage is the best solution so you can challenge them on their crap. I ended up buying the WNDR3700 from Netgear.



Most of the errors in Canada are because they don't provide live access to the data, it's only updated a few times per day, which in turn causes some days to be overcharged and some days to be overcharged.



I had to call my ISP (Vidéotron) when they overcharged my first day of the month by 20GB because I was using my remaining cap on downloads on my last day of the month.



I had no idea the usage levels they show weren't reliable at all before I started monitoring it on my own. Moreover, they purposely don't advertise the feature so most people don't know how to watch their current usage unless they ask.

tivoboy

join:2004-05-10

Menlo Park, CA tivoboy Member where meter Where can one find what AT&T thinks that their usage is? I haven't seen any website that details this. I use a router that has tomato, which also tracks usage and stores it on my local NAS. I don't use more than about 100GB on a monthly basis, wonder what AT&T thinks I use.

tivoboy tivoboy Member Re: where meter I recently tried to login to my AT&T account and see their usage meter. I got a popup that said "for some AT&T customers AT&T cannot track their usage, so you don't need to worry about bandwidth caps"



literally, THAT is what the message said.



wizkid6

join:2002-03-31

Opelika, AL 1 edit wizkid6 Member They're right...if you round up



And if you look at the usage stats page after logging in, it clearly says: quote: Note: The Total GB shown below is rounded up to the next whole GB.

If you add the individual numbers up, there's a discrepancy. But if you look in your contract, it'll will say (rightly) that they round up all numbers. So if your usage is 20.1GB, they would round it up to 21GB. The state of Alabama does the same thing.And if you look at the usage stats page after logging in, it clearly says:

Whether or not that's a rip-off is debatable...but is it fair? I think so. They're just using the same sort of math the fed uses to calculate taxes!



morbo

Complete Your Transaction

join:2002-01-22

00000 morbo Member Re: They're right...if you round up Rounding up to the byte is fine, but there's no reason to round up to the gigabyte. That's a sign of laziness, incompetence, or greed.

chuckkk

join:2001-11-10

Warner Robins, GA chuckkk Member Re: They're right...if you round up If they round up each call you make to the next minute, and you make brief calls, the error % is greatly in their favor. Why should you think that they would treat a DSL connection any differently?





johnljpljplj

@comcast.net johnljpljplj Anon Did anybody try to make AT&T accountable?



One can not depend on the goverment to be accountable. We have to do it ourselves. I do, when it is an issue that I understand. This would be a little too technical for me. However, I could link to such information.



»inappreciationofhowardbe ··· pot.com/ So has anybody confronted AT&T, and kept a written or voice recorded record of such a confrontation? I would like to read or hear that.One can not depend on the goverment to be accountable. We have to do it ourselves. I do, when it is an issue that I understand. This would be a little too technical for me. However, I could link to such information.



formercomcst

@bellsouth.net formercomcst Anon Also I remember when Comcast started touting their 250gb cap, that users were typically in the 2-4 gig range, NOT 18 gig. Why such a discrepancy there?



Transmaster

Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus

join:2001-06-20

Cheyenne, WY Transmaster Member D-Link DIR-655

It has never been a issue with Qwest but who knows in the future. Can I log my monthly usage with my D-Link DIR-655. I have never done this on a continous basis. I do a lot of streaming video and the bittorent of TV documenties from the UK. I suppose I should keep up with what I am using each month.It has never been a issue with Qwest but who knows in the future.

hoyleysox

Premium Member

join:2003-11-07

Long Beach, CA hoyleysox Premium Member Does incoming ICMP traffic count against the cap? If yes, AT&T or competitors could just run continuous pings on AT&T customers to drive up their bills.



Next step: Criminalize ICMP as fraud.



KrK

Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy

Premium Member

join:2000-01-17

Tulsa, OK KrK Premium Member Re: Does incoming ICMP traffic count against the cap? Unwanted ads: Fraud

Updates to software: Defective or flawed software in the first place, they should be liable for costs

Port-Scans, etc etc = fraud



It goes on and on. UBB is opening up a whole case of Pandora's boxes.



caesarv

join:1999-08-02

Santa Rosa, CA caesarv Member No more ATT for me!



I am very thankful to be completely rid of ATT...even for POTS. I use Sonic.Net. Neither Sonic nor I care about my bandwidth usage!



»corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/ ··· he-caps/ With enough complaints, lawsuits, and bad PR, maybe they will just give up on the whole thing and eliminate usage based billing???? Or is this just wishful thinking? Seems to me it would be much easier to just throttle those 1% of customer that use excessive amounts back to 768k once they have reached their limit.I amto be completely rid of ATT...even for POTS. I use Sonic.Net. Neither Sonic nor I care about my bandwidth usage!



dvd536

as Mr. Pink as they come

Premium Member

join:2001-04-27

Phoenix, AZ dvd536 Premium Member Re: No more ATT for me! said by caesarv: Neither Sonic nor I care about my bandwidth usage! Because sonic doesn't have LUCRATIVE VIDEO business to protect.



maartena

Elmo

Premium Member

join:2002-05-10

Orange, CA maartena Premium Member Utility? A state and/or county official randomly and regularly checks whether gas, water, and electricity meters are accurate. They usually do this by taking a batch of say 1000 new meters that are going to be installed in the next months, and test them. If they pass the test, all the meters of that particular type can carry a state seal that they are accurate. If only 1 of them fails, it is enough reason to do a lot more testing.... after all this meter could be installed on a million homes over the next 5-10 years, and if you have a thousand meters that are inaccurate, you have a problem.



I have NO ONE to go to if I want to contest an inaccuracy on my Internet connection. Sure, I can add another router and run DD-WRT (I have 2 of those lying around anyways), but in the end it will still be my word against that of AT&T. (Or, any other provider for that matter).



Providers of any kind, whether it is data, cell-phone data, minutes, or anything else that is charged by use, should be subject to some sort of 3d party oversight to ensure the meters they use are accurate.



Back in the day, when they couldn't accurately measure how much gas and water each house used, people would still pay a flat rate for gas and water. Some areas still paid flat rate gas and water up until the 70ies. But everyone was right on top of it when it came to making sure it meters were accurate, and that customers were not billed incorrectly.



In this century..... senators and representatives are sitting still. Preoccupied with trying to kill or save Obamacare, and blaming the other party for what went wrong, they seem to have forgotten about the small things.... like this one. Yeah it's a small issue in the big scheme of things, but I will vote for the first politician - Republican or Democrat - who pledges to take on Big ISP, and secure net neutrality among other things.



IPPlanMan

Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20

Washington, DC IPPlanMan Member All is clear now... Caps were never about addressing congestion. AT&T, Comcast, and others already have congestion management systems for that.



This is about monetization and preventing cord cutters, pure and simple.



Like I've always said, AT&T has never done anything to save anyone money.



moko

join:2002-12-22

Fayetteville, GA moko Member my opinion att can go to hell.....well i dont want them personally to go to hell.....but their overage caps sure as hell can : )



S_engineer

Premium Member

join:2007-05-16

Chicago, IL 1 recommendation S_engineer Premium Member Re: my opinion they can only go so far in hell. Satan is now implemented depth caps for AT&Ts executives and management. Overages will be paid in the form of an eternity of listening to Justin Beiber!



chazpaw

Premium Member

join:2007-03-28

Terrell, TX chazpaw Premium Member Re: my opinion +1

rradina

join:2000-08-08

Chesterfield, MO 920.3 39.3

·Charter

rradina Member Sometimes I wonder... What would happen if some genius figured out a way to subvert the Internet by allowing all of our wireless routers to connect and create a "supernet" (or subnet). I know there are all kinds of problems with bandwidth and getting sites connected to this new network but it just seems that no matter how many laws exist and regulations are passed, greed always seems to drive one party to take to take more than their fair share. In the infamous words of President Jack Nicholson in Mars Attacks, "Why can't we all just get along!".



pjcamp

@spelman.edu pjcamp Anon I have a better solution Comcast business.



toj03

@comcast.net toj03 Anon Re: I have a better solution Here how about an even better solution



1. How about no caps in the first place so we wouldn't even be fretting over this

2. regulate the S*IT out of these companies

3. get regulators with ballz



these things will probably never happen but it's worth a shot



AVD

Respice, Adspice, Prospice

Premium Member

join:2003-02-06

Onion, NJ AVD Premium Member probably a) rounding errors, and

b) OP router and ATT are on different clocks accounting for the daily discrepancy. (at least the download, the UL is consistently over which is not indicative of a a time sync problem)

c) some traffic is not going over your router, but still being counted. (arp, icmp or something else that your router is dropping)

cooldude9919

join:2000-05-29 cooldude9919 Member Re: probably said by AVD: a) rounding errors, and

b) OP router and ATT are on different clocks accounting for the daily discrepancy. (at least the download, the UL is consistently over which is not indicative of a a time sync problem)

c) some traffic is not going over your router, but still being counted. (arp, icmp or something else that your router is dropping)



A)Wouldnt make up such a big difference, 1% at most

B) Monthly amounts should still match up then, they dont

c) Wouldnt make up such a big difference, unless you are geing ddos'd or something. None of those things would make up such a big difference.A)Wouldnt make up such a big difference, 1% at mostB) Monthly amounts should still match up then, they dontc) Wouldnt make up such a big difference, unless you are geing ddos'd or something.