CREDITS:

Rose Eveleth makes the podcast Flash Forward , investigating possible future scenarios. Hear it at flashforwardpod.com and in the poddingplaces. Find more of Rose’s audio and written work at roseveleth.com.

Thanks to science, technology and society professor Lee Vinsel , who was a huge help behind the scenes of this episode. Find his work at leevinsel.com .

This episode was produced by Rose and me, Helen Zaltzman. Martin Austwick makes the music that you hear in every episode. Download his songs at palebirdmusic.com.

Find me online at twitter.com/allusionistshow, facebook.com/allusionistshow, twitter.com/helenzaltzman and instagram.com/allusionistshow

- HZ

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