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"HBO'S 'Recount' and What Really Happened in the Florida 2000 Election (Hint: Gore Won)"

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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]

... Floridiot said on 5/1/2008 @ 9:17 am PT...





Ahh yes Stealers Wheel and Gerry Rafferty "Bakers Street" Two great tunes back in the day

COMMENT #2 [Permalink]

... socrates said on 5/1/2008 @ 11:00 am PT...





I've located Mark Lindeman yet again working with Matt Damschroder, who to this day I still can't figure out if there are two e's in his last name. I put up some good info also on the Brian Williams thread. I am wondering if anyone is listening, if anyone cares. Brad posts at Democratic Underground. He has the ability to go after this Lindeman once and for all. People like me get banned. Why are the same names and groups showing up? Why doesn't this blog allow pop-up windows for the links? Nearly every other website does. I have a free forum. Every link opens up in a new window. Mark Lindeman, OnTheOtherHand at Democratic Underground, hanging out at the same conference with Damschroder, yet again. Why are ordinary citizens like myself getting ignored? Why are our findings just collecting dust? Post Election Audit Summit 2007

COMMENT #3 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 5/1/2008 @ 12:04 pm PT...





What will really happen in the 2008 election ...

COMMENT #4 [Permalink]

... Dredd said on 5/1/2008 @ 12:11 pm PT...





... and why ... ... the cracker moves on to bigger things:

Diebold ... 2000-2008 hack;

Hart 2000-2008 hack;

Sequoia ... 2000-2008 hack;

Premier 2007-2008 hack;

ES&S 2000-2008 hack ... cantcha hear the kosanostra saying "what election vulnerabilities?" ...

COMMENT #5 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 5/2/2008 @ 12:57 pm PT...





And for those who haven't seen it yet, here is another HBO film you'll want to see this month.

COMMENT #6 [Permalink]

... Molly said on 5/2/2008 @ 9:44 pm PT...





You have GOT to be kidding me! You seem, in your infinite wisdom, to forget that the standard for counting ballots that Gore wanted was the one by which he lost. There was a detailed study of the ballots by several news organizations years ago that concluded exactly the opposite of your story--under most criteria for counting the ballots, Bush had more votes than Gore. Period. http://www.washingtonpos...es/A12623-2001Nov11.html

COMMENT #7 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/2/2008 @ 9:49 pm PT...





Molly Number One: Your statement above is dead wrong. Number Two: There's already a "Molly" who posts here, and if you intend to keep commenting, please pick another screen name. Thank you.

COMMENT #8 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 5/2/2008 @ 11:35 pm PT...





Molly - Apparently you didn't bother to read your own link. Or my story, apparently, in which I said that "if one bothers to count all of the ballots actually successfully cast (if not counted) in the state of Florida, as a media and academic consortium did, as seen at the link above, revealing that by every possible chad-counting standard (hanging, pregnant, swinging, etc.) Al Gore received more votes than George W. Bush. Period." That, of course, is also what the story you linked to at WaPo said. Yes, had Florida been counted only as Gore requested (several recounts) he wouldn't necessarily have won. Had the entire state of Florida been recounted, as Bush wanted, then Gore would have won. Either way, Gore received more votes in the state of Florida than did Bush. Period. Sorry you're having trouble with that fact. But reality hurts, I guess.

COMMENT #9 [Permalink]

... 72dawg said on 5/3/2008 @ 12:43 am PT...





We've never been contacted by the makers of HBO's upcoming Recount film, which promises to be a theatrical re-telling of the 2000 Presidential Election Debacle in Florida. Yet, we'll chalk it up to one helluva/swelluva coincidence, They just stuck their noses in every so often to see what you had going on, and really liked the song in this context, as do I. Good pictures of you looking reliable. Great hair cut. Re Molly, SteveIL, Yourkidding, and a couple of others:

I read most of the posts here, and the comments. I recognize the frequent commentators such as Dredd or Agent99 by their writing style. I mention that to point out that the writing style of the three mentioned above is flat and pompous. Three or more people making nonsensical posts with the same writing style and point of view seems unlikely. I wonder if you (we) aren't being spoofed (I don't know what else to call it) by one or two people who put up comments that make no sense, so you spend lots of time explaining. what a good way to make it so you can't investigate, write or sleep. I do appreciate those explanations you gave to these folks, because they provide links and references to information that I may have missed or forgotten. Good luck sorting it out. Let me say again: Voters rights is not a Red or Blue state issue. It is at the heart of the democracy. The right of the citizenry to vote seems to be double teamed with the disenfranchisement of the elderly (who aren't particularly liberal) and others by the Repubs, and the whole voting machine scandal that makes hideous sense with people like Tony Krvaric (R-CA) calling the shots. However, FOLLOW THE MONEY!

COMMENT #10 [Permalink]

... Molly from Florida said on 5/4/2008 @ 9:38 am PT...





If it so pleases you, this is the "recent" Molly with a new name. Once again, Bradley, your shamelessly self-promoting blog ignores that Gore did NOT ask for a complete recount of all the ballots. The partial recount he requested would have still resulted in his loss. Moreover, the story I posted illustrates how subjective the standards for "hanging," "dangling," and "pregnant" chads can be. Under most standards, Gore would still have lost. You have to get pretty loose in the rules and count even the slightest of indentations before Gore can be considered the winner. This was not the standard used by any of Florida's counties. Bottom line: you can come up with any scenario you like by which Gore might have won, but none of them were possible, or at least likely, under the rules of the day. Even Gore himself recognizes this.

COMMENT #11 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/4/2008 @ 10:20 am PT...





Molly from Florida Thank you for making your screen name distinctive. Gore won in Florida, the Supreme Court gave * the White House before that was established. And you will want to watch part 3 of this video to get it straight in your mind about the problem with the chads in the 2000 election.

COMMENT #12 [Permalink]

... Molly from Florida said on 5/4/2008 @ 6:44 pm PT...





I post an article from a major national newspaper, you a link to a Democratic thing tank. I hardly find the latter compelling. I lived in Florida in 2000. I remember the whole fiasco quite well and am frankly fed up with sites like this one that continue to spread bad information. It's like reading a Kennedy assassination or September 11th conspiracy theory where facts are never allowed to get in the way of a good story.

COMMENT #13 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/4/2008 @ 6:52 pm PT...





Molly from Florida "GAO" is the acronym for the United States Government Accountability Office, hardly a Democratic think tank, even if information from it is linked by one, and Dan Rather's report on the voting machine problems was factual reporting, with non-partisan witnesses. I'm beginning to think you mean to make all these misrepresentations. If so, you will soon be prevented from commenting here to express how fed up you are.

COMMENT #14 [Permalink]

... Brad Friedman said on 5/4/2008 @ 10:35 pm PT...





Molly from Florida continued to embarrass herself by writing- Bradley, your shamelessly self-promoting blog ignores that Gore did NOT ask for a complete recount of all the ballots. The partial recount he requested would have still resulted in his loss. We did not, and have not ignored that at all. I realize you just arrive here, without even a half a clue in your pocket, but I've discussed that report many times, and have oft noted the irony that had Bush gotten what he wanted (a full state count), he would have lost. Had Gore gotten what he asked for (recount in several counties) he would have lost. Irony abounds. None of that, however, distracts from the point of my article statement in the original post above which said that Gore received more votes in the state of Florida then Bush. Despite Bush having been awarded the state by the Supreme Court who disallowed the state to count their ballots. As to the story you linked to, it was, in fact, based on the same report I originally linked to. And --- if you bother to read the study --- you'll see that by every conceivable counting standard, as I originally reported above, when all ballots were counted, Gore won. Period. That was, no matter if you included pregnant, hanging, swinging chads, etc. Pick a counting standard, and Gore received more votes in Florida. Period. And while you claim to live in Florida, I'm actually good friends with the fellow put in charge of the recount by the state. He'll be happy to confirm all that I've told you. Though the report from the a consortium of academics and media outlets (not the GAO, as 99 inaccurately suggested above) is quite clear, and no serious person has challenged the group as "partisan", much less a "left-wing think tank." Again, sorry you don't care for that. But facts are facts. Bottom line: you can come up with any scenario you like by which Gore might have won, but none of them were possible, or at least likely, under the rules of the day. Even Gore himself recognizes this. Wrong. Because Bush argued that recounting on a few counties was illegal (it wasn't), a full state count could have continued, and --- by any standard used for counting the ballots --- Gore would have won. Lucky for you, the Supremes undermined democracy, legislated from the bench, defied all "conservative" jurisprudence which keeps the feds out of state issues, and awarded the "Presidency" to the man who received the fewer votes.

COMMENT #15 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/4/2008 @ 11:55 pm PT...





I'm going to take your word for it that the report I linked was not based on, or referencing, the GAO report because it's been a while back, I have been having several senior moments a day lately, and I was in a hurry and didn't double-check... but if it wasn't, there's one extant that puts it all down in black and white... and some godless commie organization took the time to spell it all out for us. Unfortunately my brain tends to blur over the particulars after the passage of time, especially when I think everybody's got it down pat finally. Seems to me I've even heard * admit that he lost Florida, but no way will I kill myself going through hours of video archives of that fiend to prove it. I'm sitting here realizing... I didn't think this particular fact has been a point of contention between any people in a long time... but it could be that LSD they keep slipping into my coffee...?

COMMENT #16 [Permalink]

... alan s said on 5/5/2008 @ 12:18 am PT...





Everyone even Al Gore has accepted the fact that he lost even the liberal mainstream media that did it's best to elect Al Whore. Only left wing exetremists who are totally out of touch with reality believe this crap.

COMMENT #17 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/5/2008 @ 12:39 am PT...





That settles it. It's the LSD.

COMMENT #18 [Permalink]

... truthisall said on 5/5/2008 @ 7:42 pm PT...





Brad, This is the first time that I find myself disagreeing with you. You say:

We did not, and have not ignored that at all. I realize you just arrive here, without even a half a clue in your pocket, but I've discussed that report many times, and have oft noted the irony that had Bush gotten what he wanted (a full state count), he would have lost. Had Gore gotten what he asked for (recount in several counties) he would have lost. That statement is only partially correct, but it is also very wrong. This part you got right: Initially, Gore called for a recount in only a few counties (Broward, Dade, Palm Beach). He felt the pressure of the time constraint to have the recount. But about one week into the recount, Gore called on Bush to join with him for a FULL STATEWIDE RECOUNT. Bush refused. Those are the facts. There were 175,000 spoiled votes in Florida, of which 65,000 were the famous UNDERVOTES (chads). The other 110,000 were OVERVOTES, BALLOTS WERE DOUBLE AND TRIPLE-PUNCHED. Gore's name was punched on approximately 75,000 ballots, Bush on less than 30,000. So Gore was the clear winner of the OVERPUNCHED ballots which were never allowed to enter the recount. Read about the 2000 election here:

http://www.geocities.com...ectionFraudAnalytics.pdf UNCOUNTED VOTES ARE A FACT IN EVERY ELECTION.

THERE WERE 5 MILLION UNCOUNTED VOTES IN 2000. The Census figure is 110.8m votes, as compared to the official recorded 105.4m In every election, millions of mostly Democratic votes are never counted – and are a significant contribution to the exit poll discrepancies. According to the 2000 Census, approximately 5 million votes were never counted. Since they were from heavily democratic minority districts, if Gore won 75% his true margin was close to 3 million votes - not the 540,000 recorded. And that does not include the very real possibility that a certain percentage of recorded Gore votes were switched to Bush. The 2000 election was not even close, although the media would like us to believe it was. Only the 5-4 Supreme Court decision was close. Consider the Florida 2000 fiasco. Bush ‘won’ by 537 ‘official’ votes - before the recount was aborted. But 185,000 spoiled (under and over-punched) ballots were never counted. Since approximately 65% of them were intended for Gore, he actually won the state by at least 60,000 votes. Truth Is All

COMMENT #19 [Permalink]

... Larry Bergan said on 5/6/2008 @ 12:21 pm PT...





The sins of omission in the media continue. All you ever hear about is how the devious Al Gore only wanted to count the counties he thought would help him win. You never hear about, or see the video of him saying he would agree to Bush's plan for a statewide count. I saw him ask for a statewide count with my own eyes, but haven't seen it once, since.

COMMENT #20 [Permalink]

... Alan said on 5/10/2008 @ 12:13 am PT...





In an interview with politico.com, writer Danny Strong says, in essence, that he gave Ron Klain and Jim Baker free reign in reviewing and changing his script. He says he interviewed a number of other participants but conveniently fails to indicate whether they included Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, Warren Christopher or Bill Daley. It's known that he didn't give Christopher a copy of the script and didn't contact either Christopher or Daley until shooting began. This is research?

COMMENT #21 [Permalink]

... Alan said on 5/15/2008 @ 4:33 pm PT...





Re:Recount

"What Really Happened"? Not.

Danny Strong, late of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, was so anxious to have his first script picked up that he decided to make it up as he went His "research" was focused exclusively on supporting the thesis that Bush won the recount because the Dems--and, in particular, Warren Christopher --were wimps. This is the same Warren Christopher, by the way, who got scores of American hostages out of Iran in the late seventies and who served in the Pacific during the Second World War. In an NYT story published yesterday, Strong admits to waiting to contact Christopher until the the day the scenes involving his character were shot. He also admits not giving Christopher a copy of the script, even though he did so for Jim Baker and Ron Klain,who were also allowed to give notes and to veto lines and scenes. Danny wants us to believe he had the time to find and commission Christopher's tailor to make a suit for Christopher's character, but was too busy to talk to the guy whose measurements he was using. So much for accuracy and/or plain fairness. Strong should write a docudrama about what "really" happened on the Buffy set and stay away from serious subjects.

COMMENT #22 [Permalink]

... Rick said on 5/21/2008 @ 11:23 am PT...





It appears you are being deceptive on this issue. The consortium report said Gore would have won only by diving votes like Carnac the Magnificent from dimpled, hanging, and swinging chads. The problem is that the counting of such votes were not legal in the state of Florida. The consortium reported that by any count of legal votes, Bush won Florida.

As a Florida resident and military member, I was one whom Gore attempted to disenfranchise by throwing out military votes in his quest to steal the Florida election.

Seems odd the Democrat mantra of "count every vote" has vanished at present, given they are attempting to disenfranchise two entire states in the primary. Hillary should take the issue to the courts, since she has a much better case than Gore did in 2000.

COMMENT #23 [Permalink]

... Agent 99 said on 5/21/2008 @ 12:24 pm PT...





Rick It appears you have been deceived, but not by the Brad Blog or the HBO documentary. I'm looking at it this way because knowing disinformation is verboten here.

COMMENT #24 [Permalink]

... Rick said on 5/21/2008 @ 6:49 pm PT...





{Ed Note: Post removed. Disinformation. - BF}

COMMENT #25 [Permalink]

... Rick said on 5/22/2008 @ 10:31 am PT...

