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Snohomish, WA 1 recommendation tshirt Premium Member I mis-read the WA state announcement... ...lsat week. thinking it said" Available NOW!"which actually said 150 and 250 are available now, with 2/2gigabit coming this summer(which is somewhere between 21 to 111 days away), If it was up to me I'd start with all deployment teams in one or to locations and try learn as much as possible on the first dozen installs and then split them to train new crews in new locations. better a slightly slower but error free start. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: I mis-read the WA state announcement... What is the UL on the 150/250? Interested in knowing if they are keeping those low or not.



Also do we know what the architecture for this is yet? If this is FTTP this will not be trivial to launch and radically expensive to do in one-offs.



I think Comcast marketing got the best of them, because this breaks all sorts of prem equipment where 1Gbit is the high-end standard. This means 10 G at ingress (or some teaming), but WTF do you do with all the end devices? This is just plain stupid IMHO. gapboy118

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Santa Rosa, CA gapboy118 Member Re: I mis-read the WA state announcement... Upload on 150 is 10 and on 250 is 20. Still using DOCSIS 3.0

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train_wreck Member Re: I mis-read the WA state announcement... said by gapboy118: Upload on 150 is 10 In some areas 150 down is 10 up, in others it's 150 down and 20 up. I would guess areas that have less congestion on the upstream get 20, with more crowded areas being limited to 10.

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West Covina, CA OpTiC Premium Member Re: I mis-read the WA state announcement... No blast 150 is 10 up and extreme 150 is 20. OpTiC OpTiC to gapboy118

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No the 250 tier upload is 25 up.

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said by elefante72: What is the UL on the 150/250? Interested in knowing if they are keeping those low or not.



Also do we know what the architecture for this is yet? If this is FTTP this will not be trivial to launch and radically expensive to do in one-offs.



I think Comcast marketing got the best of them, because this breaks all sorts of prem equipment where 1Gbit is the high-end standard. This means 10 G at ingress (or some teaming), but WTF do you do with all the end devices? This is just plain stupid IMHO. ??? It allows you to use multiple devices with GigE connections. Of course each individual device can't exceed 1 gigabit, but the total throughput for all devices can go up to 2 gigabits. videomatic3

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here in california we have a few options

performance-75/5

blast----------150/10

extreme------150/20

extreme------250/25



at least this is to what i know smcallah

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said by elefante72: I think Comcast marketing got the best of them, because this breaks all sorts of prem equipment where 1Gbit is the high-end standard. This means 10 G at ingress (or some teaming), but WTF do you do with all the end devices? This is just plain stupid IMHO.



It's not too hard of a concept to think about. There is absolutely no way, in 2015 or 2016, that there is going to be a 10gigabit CPE device. Some people may choose to go with a 10gig switch at home for this, for whatever reason. But cable companies have been using modems with multiple gige ports and routers built in for a few years now. Having the modem with a 2gig fiber uplink and the same multiple gige ports is a given. It likely will be a modem/CPE combo. Where the uplink is 2/2gig and it has multiple ports where you can connect gigabit computers and gigabit WAPs.It's not too hard of a concept to think about. There is absolutely no way, in 2015 or 2016, that there is going to be a 10gigabit CPE device. Some people may choose to go with a 10gig switch at home for this, for whatever reason. But cable companies have been using modems with multiple gige ports and routers built in for a few years now. Having the modem with a 2gig fiber uplink and the same multiple gige ports is a given. brianlan

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Garner, NC brianlan Member WTF? Was there no 'technical' guy in the room when the C levels decided to 1 up google fiber with a +1Gbps? HAHA this is so f'ing comical to watch play out.



They had no idea the CPE that would be required for >1Gbps service. Go price a few different types of 10Gbps switches and network cards. If you get past that, now you will have to train your installers on how to install cards in to customers computers. There goes a shit ton of liability insurance. Next, all the CAT6 that you will have to string through a home because no WiFi solution comes close to >1Gbps service. Add all that in and your plan starts to look retarded.



You would have been better served to just sell 10Gbps service to the most elite communities and call it a day. At least then the average consumer wouldn't be pissed when they may only quality for 1Gbps service. shmerl

join:2013-10-21 shmerl Member Re: WTF? I doubt you'd use WiFi for such use case. And even if you do, it looks more like a case for many WiFi clients connected to one router. Then 2 Gbit can be split even if each WiFi doesn't reach it. brianlan

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Garner, NC brianlan Member Re: WTF? What are you talking about? The mention of WiFi was only to highlight the fact Comcast hasn't thought this through other than the PRESS RELEASE points it will generate.



Problem with that is most of the 'normal' folks out there now have an uncanny ability to smell the bullshit.



Comcast is screwed just like TWC with the fact DOCSIS 3.1 is so far off that all they can do is 'talk' FIBER. By the time a real implementation of D3.1 rolls out, the telco's will have their fiber infrastructure completed to effectively eliminate cable as a real threat for competitive markets.



Earlier this year I signed up with AT&Ts Gigapower offering here in Apex, NC right outside of the Raleigh metro area. Its truly the future with so much bandwidth on one pipe, why have multiple providers when one so dominates the other in actual offerings?! shmerl

join:2013-10-21 shmerl Member Re: WTF? I agree that what they announced was a vaporware PR, and a bad one with that. I was just commenting that there can be useful scenario when WiFi can't reach the maximum bandwidth of the ISP connection itself.

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quote: the telco's will have their fiber infrastructure completed to effectively eliminate cable as a real threat for competitive markets. What telcos? Frontier? Verizen? AT&T in a few years?

IF you are lucky (which I guess you are) and happen to live in one of the few metro areas that ATT is rolling out GP then ya great. But that is the exception not the norm across the USA. Wall Street wants nothing to do with GP when there are more fat wireless profits to be made. Its clear the few GP rollouts where not much more then a defensive move against GoogleF.



VZN FiOS rollouts are stopped and the very few GP roll outs will stop as soon as ATT finds a sucker(Frontier) to buy the rest of their wireline markets.



Telco's are a diminishing threat to Comcast. Im sure they worry more about muni-fiber catching on. What telcos? Frontier? Verizen? AT&T in a few years?IF you are lucky (which I guess you are) and happen to live in one of the few metro areas that ATT is rolling out GP then ya great. But that is the exception not the norm across the USA. Wall Street wants nothing to do with GP when there are more fat wireless profits to be made. Its clear the few GP rollouts where not much more then a defensive move against GoogleF.VZN FiOS rollouts are stopped and the very few GP roll outs will stop as soon as ATT finds a sucker(Frontier) to buy the rest of their wireline markets.Telco's are a diminishing threat to Comcast. Im sure they worry more about muni-fiber catching on. shmerl

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shmerl Member Re: WTF? said by cralt: VZN FiOS rollouts are stopped I see FiOS actively building in NYC at least. But I wouldn't hold my breath that it would last. Verizon execs aren't forward thinking. brianlan

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Fiber is taking off in pretty much all the top 10 places to live if you're in IT. Soooo, if you are graduating in an IT field I would suggest getting close to one of those areas if you want the light to your house.

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said by brianlan: Comcast is screwed just like TWC with the fact DOCSIS 3.1 is so far off that all they can do is 'talk' FIBER. By the time a real implementation of D3.1 rolls out, the telco's will have their fiber infrastructure completed to effectively eliminate cable as a real threat for competitive markets.



Here in the 2nd largest city in America the highest speed the telco (at&t) offers in this area is 18/1, assuming you live next door to the central office. They have also stated they're "finished" with their fiber deployment (of which their "up to" 18/1 is a part of). Meanwhile the cable co (TWC) is talking about FTTP and D3.1 next year and is currently offering 300/20. I do believe you got "telco" and "cable co" confused. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're so funny!Here in the 2nd largest city in America the highest speed the telco (at&t) offers in this area is 18/1, assuming you live next door to the central office. They have also stated they're "finished" with their fiber deployment (of which their "up to" 18/1 is a part of). Meanwhile the cable co (TWC) is talking about FTTP and D3.1 next year and is currently offering 300/20. I do believe you got "telco" and "cable co" confused. smcallah

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AT&T gigapower is only going up in new neighborhoods, and not all of them, and expensive apartment complexes. That will not change in a year when D3.1 is rolling out. Google Fiber isn't going to be available in the Raleigh area for another 2 years at the least. patcat88

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A T1 loop charge from ILEC is $250 per month. $300 per month isn't residential, its business grade. A rackmount SONET node is available today, and has been available for 20 years. The only difference between 5-nines internet and this product would be the support response window.

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Mount Juliet, TN davidc502 Member Is this in response to the FCC's new neutrality rules? Will Comcast ultimately blame this on the new FCC rules, in that it's stifling innovation?



Inquiring minds want to know.

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karpodiem Premium Member wasn't this the hail mary pass to try and get the TWC merger approved? shocking that they are now having 'issues' with this - not that they wouldn't have already in attempting to roll out something of this scale in this timeframe (which was over the top to begin with), but expect this to be delayed until 2016-2017 for the 18mil + homes they claimed they would pass in 2015. photomankc

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Liberty, MO photomankc Member This razor has *8* blades! This seems like marketing run completely off the rails. I work at a 10,000+ endpoint university and we couldn't consume at 2Gbps right now unless someone was trying to deliberately fill the pipe.



"They only have 1 Gbps but *WE* have twice their speed. As mentioned this means 10Gig into the premise or bonding two connections. I mean I understand future-proofing but honestly 1G is already there. It's already completely over-the-top.



I can't see this as a big-business type connection since I don't see anything about SLA's or uptime guarantees. I'm left scratching my head and thinking wouldn't it be easier and more likely to succeed to bring 1G service out? Layout quality fiber so future improvement just needs new equipment? openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: This razor has *8* blades! No different than when 105 Mbps tier came out with 100 Mbps was being pushed in a few munis. It's all marketing. Only the intelligentsia that frequent sites like this will understand the difference. photomankc

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Liberty, MO photomankc Member Re: This razor has *8* blades! I'd agree but not at the price point of 150-300/mo. That's not a connection that uninformed grandma's are going to be jumping onto. Frankly, I have a hard time picturing even connection-jockeys / network heads getting into that kind of expense with the typical restrictions of a home broadband connection TOS.



Maybe I'm overestimating frugality in people though. openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: This razor has *8* blades! How much did the 105 Mbps tier cost when it first debuted? smcallah

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said by photomankc: "They only have 1 Gbps but *WE* have twice their speed. As mentioned this means 10Gig into the premise or bonding two connections. I mean I understand future-proofing but honestly 1G is already there. It's already completely over-the-top.



No way though are they using Ethernet or LAG if their plan is to pass 18 million homes, it would be too expensive. Why does it have to mean 10gig to prem or bonding 2 1gigs? You're only thinking in terms of Ethernet capability, and this does not have to be Ethernet. if they had to run 10gig to a prem, they would be marketing this as 10gigs, not 2. And even if they do "bond" ethernet to do this, what is wrong with that? The technology of aggregated Ethernet, or LAG, has existed for years, with operators aggregating 2 and more gig, 10gig, 40gig, and 100gig connections in production right now.No way though are they using Ethernet or LAG if their plan is to pass 18 million homes, it would be too expensive. photomankc

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Liberty, MO photomankc Member Re: This razor has *8* blades! I didn't say there was anything 'wrong' with it. I said it is more expense for little gain. The number of home systems able to utilize 1Gig up/down is minuscule, the number that can utilize 2G is microscopic. It's marketing blather. It's the same as when the Regents here get all excited to get 100G connectivity and want to spend our dollars on that. Why.... because then we'd be able to say we have 100G to the internet. Never mind that we don't currently even top out the existing 2G pipeline. But it markets, lust like 8 blades is better than a paltry 4 blades.



True, there are more types of circuit than ethernet, and I can't claim familiarity with them all. The end home user however is never going to see a speed test showing 2000Mbps, even direct to the gateway on anything he owns. It only makes sense to someone that can put gear in place that can make sustained use of the 2G aggregate pipe for an installation of multiple systems.

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Tucson, AZ sraz Member Think positively Let's look at this positively, maybe Comcast is..



1) Re-evaluating their pricing model, looking at what they could actually sell the service for without pissing too many people off, which might cause problems for them in the future.



2) Training field techs and service reps on the service so they know what people are talking about. Generally it's the case where I'm more informed than the person I'm talking to at Comcast, but maybe they are trying to do something about that. xD



or... it could just be wishful thinking on my part



*cries that CenturyLink offers FTTP 1500ft from me* kucharsk

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Louisville, CO kucharsk Member Re: Think positively I still don't know what the interface will be; very few 802.11ac routers break 1 Gbps (and those that do can't maintain it more than about twenty feet from the AP), and very, very few customers have 10 GigE ports on their machines or the requisite very expensive switches. smcallah

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Home smcallah Member Re: Think positively said by kucharsk: I still don't know what the interface will be; very few 802.11ac routers break 1 Gbps (and those that do can't maintain it more than about twenty feet from the AP), and very, very few customers have 10 GigE ports on their machines or the requisite very expensive switches.



I'm getting tired of people saying this same tired thing over and over. "This can't possibly exist because I can't come up with any way to connect more than one computer to it and my computer is not 10gig!" I still don't know why people can't see the obvious in every single one of these articles. Comcast will supply the modem/CPE. The modem will have a router build in, with multiple gige ports. You then connect a gig computer, and another gig computer, and another, and an 802.11ac WAP with a gig port. You can easily do over 2gig to the router without having a 10gig switch. Modems with routers built in with multiple gige ports have existed for years now.I'm getting tired of people saying this same tired thing over and over. "This can't possibly exist because I can't come up with any way to connect more than one computer to it and my computer is not 10gig!" kucharsk

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Louisville, CO kucharsk Member Re: Think positively Both you and I know that customers will get this service, run speedtest and complain of fraud, false advertising and file lawsuits because they can't achieve the quoted 2 Gbps down speed.



Lawyers will literally be salivating at the prospect of Comcast providing hardware that can't do 2 Gbps down.



There will have to be a half page disclaimer explaining aggregate download speed and bandwidth.



Imagine what would happen to an ISP today if they advertised Gigabit fiber but only had 100 Mbps ports on their CPE; it wouldn't be pretty. tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member payback no merger, no 2 gigabit..

no fake promises like ATT make a decade ago (2006)

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Osage Beach, MO itzalex Member Re: payback said by tmc8080: no fake promises like ATT make a decade ago (2006) And yet nobody in the FCC/FTC will not call them out on that. Fraud is still fraud unless it is the government then it is called "politics". floydb1982

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Kent, WA floydb1982 Member I don't need to go that fast My computer's onboard Ethernet tops out at 1073741824.0005517 Bytes so there is no way I can reach 2147483648.0011034 Bytes per seconds. Besides my current speed of 104857600 Bytes per seconds is more than I'll ever use in a single day. smcallah

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Home smcallah Member Re: I don't need to go that fast said by floydb1982: My computer's onboard Ethernet tops out at 1073741824.0005517 Bytes so there is no way I can reach 2147483648.0011034 Bytes per seconds. Besides my current speed of 104857600 Bytes per seconds is more than I'll ever use in a single day. There is absolutely no way that someone could connect more than one device to the modem they will provide, huh? There is no possible way that any household would have multiple computers and other devices using the Internet. your comment..

