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I have a friend who happens to be some type of angelic wolf shaman, mostly wolf &shaman, she's not as sure about the angel, but Michelle has had this problem with this "pack" of otherkin/therians for quite some time now. They aren't really open with what they are, but they're very much awake & aware. There are less than a dozen main members in this pack, but it seems like many of the other kintypes around them seem to defer to them. Maybe it's some type of territorial thing... Idk. Moving on... About 5 years ago now, one of these wolves started to nose around my friend. At this point we're pretty sure he's their "alpha". By nosing around I mean he's done all of the following, & yes I am dead serious about everything listed: stalking ie followed her home on numerous occasions, appeared in places she was at where he did not belong, like when she was out of state visiting family, she's heard him in her backyard at night; both of us, as well as others, have smelled his urine markings on the outside of her house, all along the outer walls of her bedroom & throughout the yard; once she was texting me & she was texting a boy I liked & said she mentioned his name aloud to herself & the next day I received a text from his phone asking if I was Julian (the boy she was texting for me); her friends have been harassed & threatened, including myself, one friend was followed home to her apartment complex, & when she went out alone one night to workout at the tiny gym in the complex a beta of this same pack showed up & told her to "back the f*** off", this same friend was also threatened while walking through a parking lit to her car one night, someone threw rocks at her from the shadows & she ran & they chased her back to the car & then leaving before she could see who it was. Michelle has had friends stop talking to her after this male has threatened them away, he has been coming to her on the astral & stalking her there, once he even raped her, she says it's like he has a link to her mind, he always knows where she is, what she's doing, who she's with, what she's feeling, etc. she says it's like he can even see from her eyes at times. Our other friend Angie has even seen this happen... Where she was talking with Michelle & then suddenly it was like she was looking into that stupid males eyes instead. His pack has been helping to keep tabs on Michelle when they can,but once she moved states it was just the male stalking her with the help of his betas & his girlfriend. (Yes I said girlfriend.no I don't get why they both stalk her, nor do iunderstand why a female would help her boyfriend stalk another girl, but whatever. I'm not a wolf.) astrally both I & Angie have received threats about leaving michelle alone altogether because we're bad for their relationship. Also, demons seem to always be around when he is & they seem to watch her in his absence... Now I know all of this sounds crazy but this is the truth as all of us,myself, Angie, Michelle, & others, know it. There's more I can say but that would take forever so I'll leave it here.



My questions... Is this the norm with packs? Do they usually stalk lone wolves?why would they be stalking Michelle? Is she in danger? (It's been so long that I don't think it will stop at this point). What should she do? What can Ido to help her?

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The only real advice I can give you is for either she or you call the police about this. Pack or no pack, this stalking your friend home is definitely not safe and should be dealt with with the local authorities. I can't say one way or another if she is in danger, but I would not take the risk of not going to the local authorities.



As per our rules, we can't really do much to help other than suggest one or both of you call your local authorities on this matter.





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Member Back to Top Post by Lithillian on Being Otherkin/therian is not an excuse for poor behaviour. If they're harassing you or your friends contact the police.



Now that that's out of the way, wolf packs do not function at all like you've described. What this sounds to me is a group of people manipulating its members and using their supposed therianthropy as an excuse for abusive behaviour. These types of "packs" are ficticious human creations. Actual wolf packs (in the wild) are comprised of parents and their offspring. Furthermore, the concept of "alphas" is not indicitive of actual wolf behaviour.



Actual wolf packs aren't some special, romanticized secret club. They work in almost identical fashion to human families. In captivity the only reason you have struggles for dominance and "alpha" wolves (these captive packs are where this misunderstanding of wolf behaviour comes from) is because the adolescent children don't have the opportunity to leave their natal packs. It's like if a 20 year old human had literally no other choice but to stay with their parents - they'd get into arguments constantly and grate against each other.



Their behaviour is not excused by their supposed nature. Contact the police.

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Concerned Elizabeth said:



My questions... Is this the norm with packs? Do they usually stalk lone wolves?why would they be stalking Michelle? Is she in danger? (It's been so long that I don't think it will stop at this point). What should she do? What can Ido to help her? My questions... Is this the norm with packs? Do they usually stalk lone wolves?why would they be stalking Michelle? Is she in danger? (It's been so long that I don't think it will stop at this point). What should she do? What can Ido to help her?



Here is an older thread where we discuss packs:



therian-wilderness.proboards.com/thread/4384/packs-stuff



Hey Concerned Elizabeth,Here is an older thread where we discuss packs:







I've seen some "we're wolf pack therians" videos on YT.





pretty much a train wreck.





do mental shifts really result in a bunch of wolfkin therians starting to bark and snarl and what not and rumble like dogs getting over excited while wrestling?





or do wolfkin just like making animal sounds and assume the know what they say?



post is gone.I've seen some "we're wolf pack therians" videos on YT.pretty much a train wreck.do mental shifts really result in a bunch of wolfkin therians starting to bark and snarl and what not and rumble like dogs getting over excited while wrestling?or do wolfkin just like making animal sounds and assume the know what they say?



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All I can tell you about this is to not trust videos or information on YouTube (or the vast majority of the Internet) as inherently true or representative of pretty much anything at all. For instance, you'll have Harry Potter fans who just read the books, but you'll also have people running around with wands and insisting that they're casting actual spells. There is a wide array of diversity within any given group, and people are not always who or what they claim to be. Bottom line, everyone is different and experiences these things in their own way. Also, when people go out seeking attention for something, it should immediately call their reliability and behavior into question.



After saying all that, I will defer to a more established community member to address your specific concerns. This isn't something that I want to broach, directly.

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Member Back to Top Post by Lithillian on KaiYoDei said: Werecat said:







I've seen some "we're wolf pack therians" videos on YT.





pretty much a train wreck.





do mental shifts really result in a bunch of wolfkin therians starting to bark and snarl and what not and rumble like dogs getting over excited while wrestling?





or do wolfkin just like making animal sounds and assume the know what they say?



post is gone.I've seen some "we're wolf pack therians" videos on YT.pretty much a train wreck.do mental shifts really result in a bunch of wolfkin therians starting to bark and snarl and what not and rumble like dogs getting over excited while wrestling?or do wolfkin just like making animal sounds and assume the know what they say?



I also don't really experience mental shifts. But I am still a wolf therian. Don't trust everything you see on the internet. Those groups are most likely just social groups of delusional individuals. Within any community, as Shoegaze mentioned, there are different extremes.



Just look at any subculture - gamers, for example, are not all acne ridden shut ins. Some are, but that says nothing about the individuals.





Those packs, as I said earlier in my initial reply to this thread, do not represent all therians. Myself, for example, don't make animal sounds (outside of an occasional growl, but that's entirely human in nature). Though I do assume that I'm somewhat knowledgable on the subjects I choose to talk about. xDI also don't really experience mental shifts. But I am still a wolf therian. Don't trust everything you see on the internet. Those groups are most likely just social groups of delusional individuals. Within any community, as Shoegaze mentioned, there are different extremes.Just look at any subculture - gamers, for example, are not all acne ridden shut ins. Some are, but that says nothing about the individuals.