Frank once again dives into the morass of Agroinnovations Episode #145 addressing a listener’s comment through a series of clips from recent podcast episodes featuring Simon Huntley, Narendra Varma, David Holmgren, Darren Doherty, and Tom Giessel. Frank reiterates his argument that permaculture isn’t failing as an agroecological design science, nor are permaculturalists failures. As my guests explain, permaculture’s shortcomings have much more to do with our cultural worldview and our socioeconomic circumstances. They also offer numerous examples and case studies that point us in the direction of a new, cooperative model where common land use rights are interwoven into the social and ecological landscape, and different people with different skill sets can collaborate and innovate together on a shared landscape.