L2/11-116R3

Approved Minutes of the UTC 127 / L2 224 Joint Meeting

San Jose, CA -- May 9-13, 2011

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UTC #127 Agenda

Revision date: August 1, 2011

Monday, May 9, 2011

Administrative — Roll Call (A.1)

PRESENT: Adobe Systems, Inc, Apple Computer, Inc, IBM Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, SAP AG (proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo! Inc. 6 full members and 1 institutional member present, 7 total votes

NOT PRESENT: Bangladesh Computer Council, Google, Inc., India MIT, Monotype Imaging Corp., Oracle America Inc, Rearden Commerce, Inc., W. Bengal, SNLTR 3 full members, 3 institutional member, and 1 supporting member not present, 6.5 total votes

Administrative — Calendar Review (A.6)

UTC 128/L2 225 - August 8-12, 2011, Redmond, host Microsoft

UTC 129/L2 226 - October 31, November 1-4, 2011, Cupertino, host Apple, Annual Members Mtg

UTC 130/L2 227 - January 30 - February 3, 2012, host TBD

UTC 131/L2 228 - May 7-11, 2012, San Jose, host Adobe

Scripts and Symbols — Tifinagh (C.8)

[127-C1] Consensus: Update glyph for U+2D7F TIFINAGH CONSONANT JOINER to show a dotted circle with 6 dots below within a dashed box. [L2/11-112]

[127-A1] Action item for Michael Everson: Provide a new glyph for U+2D7F TIFINAGH CONSONANT JOINER to show a dotted circle with 6 dots below within a dashed box. [L2/11-112]

[127-A2] Action item for Rick McGowan, Editorial Committee: Post a glyph erratum for U+2D7F TIFINAGH CONSONANT JOINER. See Consensus 127-C1.

[127-A3] Void - duplicates 127-A5.

[127-A4] Action item for Lorna Priest: Update L2/11-112 with revision to show the new glyph for U+2D7F, and forward to WG2.

[127-A5] Action item for Peter Constable: Add glyph change of U+2D7F TIFINAGH CONSONANT JOINER to liaison report. [L2/11-112]

Scripts and Symbols — Manichaean (C.10)

[127-C2] Consensus: Accept the 51 Manichaean characters U+10AC0..U+10AF6 as documented in L2/11-123, with block Manichaean U+10AC0..U+10AFF; except the name change of Manichaean U+10AC8 to MANICHAEAN SIGN UD with general category So.

[127-A6] Action item for Ken Whistler: Add the 51 Manichaean characters to pipeline. See Consensus 127-C2.

[127-A7] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add the 51 Manichaean characters to to document requesting new additions. [L2/11-123]

[127-A8] Action item for Michael Everson: Send a font and nameslist for Manichaean to Michel Suignard. [L2/11-123]

Scripts and Symbols — Phaistos Disc (C.11)

[127-A9] Action item for Michael Everson: Send clarifying text on the directionality of the Phaistos Disc characters to the Editorial Committee. [L2/11-126, L2/11-166]

Scripts and Symbols — Tulu (C.9)

[127-A10] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Send pointer to the Tulu document to Government of India and ask for their feedback. [L2/11-120]

Tuesday, May 10, 2011

PRESENT: Adobe Systems, Inc, Apple Computer, Inc, Google, Inc., IBM Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, Rearden Commerce, Inc., SAP AG (proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo! Inc. 8 full members and 1 institutional member present, 9 total votes

NOT PRESENT: Bangladesh Computer Council, India MIT, Monotype Imaging Corp., Oracle America Inc, W. Bental, SNLTR 1 full members, 3 institutional member, and 1 supporting member not present, 4.5 total votes



Properties — Reserving CCC Values (B.13.2)

[127-C3] Consensus: Request that the officers establish a stability policy that permanently reserves the CCC value of 255. [L2/11-110]

[127-A11] Action item for Mark Davis: Request that the officers establish a stability policy that permanently reserves the CCC value of 255. [L2/11-110]

[127-A12] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Add text to Unicode Standard Annex #15: Unicode Normalization Forms documenting the restriction on CCC=255 and techniques for reducing memory footprint, for version 6.1. [L2/11-110]

Properties — Change Category of Non-Breaking Hyphen (B.13.3)

[127-C4] Consensus: Issue a Public Review Issue on whether a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN) that is currently used to disallow line breaks should also disallow word breaks. [L2/11-113]

[127-A13] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Draft a Public Review Issue on whether a non-breaking hyphen (U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN) that is currently used to disallow line breaks should also disallow word breaks. [L2/11-113]

[127-A14] Action item for Rick McGowan: Post the Public Review Issue on non-breaking hyphen (U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN) to close July 25, 2011. See Consensus 127-C4. [L2/11-113]

[127-A15] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Martin Hosken regarding the above consensus 127-C4. [L2/11-113]

Properties — Grapheme Extending Properties (B.13.4)

[127-A16] Action item for Peter Edberg: Ask the CLDR committee to consider changing the grapheme extending property of various characters, come up with any changes for Unicode Standard Annex #29: Unicode Text Segmentation, and submit a document to UTC for the August 2011 meeting. [L2/11-114]

[127-A17] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Martin Hosken regarding changing the grapheme extending property and point him to the communication from Peter Edberg. [L2/11-114]

[127-M1] Motion: The 52 cards for playing cards do not represent the minor arcana.

Moved by Mark Davis, seconded by Rick McGowan

1 for (Google)

2 against (Apple, Reardon)

6 abstain (Adobe, IBM, Microsoft, SAP, UC Berkeley, Yahoo!)

Motion fails.

Properties — Update syntax for Unicode/UCS Sequence Identifiers (B.13.5)

[127-C5] Consensus: Approve the proposed update syntax for Unicode UCS Sequence Identifiers in L2/11-131 as a UTC liaison position to WG2.

[127-A18] Action item for Ken Whistler: Create a liaison position document for UCS Sequence Identifiers based on L2/11-131, and forward to WG2.

[127-A19] Action item for Peter Constable: Add information regarding UCS Sequence Identifiers consensus 127-C5 to the UTC liaison report to WG2. [L2/11-131]

Scripts and Symbols — Non-approval Notice for Hex Digits (C.23)

[127-C6] Consensus: Document the prior decision to not encode hex digits on the non-approval page.

[127-A20] Action item for Ken Whistler: Add hex digits to the notices of non-approval.

Public Review Issue — Proposed Update UTS #46: Unicode IDNA Compatibility Processing (B.10.1)

[127-A21] Action item for Rick McGowan: Extend Public Review Issue #177 to close July 25, 2011.

Scripts and Symbols — Arabic Letter Mark (C.17.2.1)

[127-A22] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Work with authors of L2/11-005 to document examples of the need for an Arabic Letter Mark and to provide exact text changes or additions.

[127-A23] Action item for Peter Edberg, Editorial Committee: Create text for a Public Review Issue on kinsoku issues based on section 6 of document L2/11-141R.

[127-A24] Action item for Rick McGowan: Post the Public Review Issue on kinsoku issues to close July 25, 2011.[L2/11-005]

Wednesday, May 11, 2011

PRESENT: Adobe Systems, Inc, Apple Computer, Inc, IBM Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, SAP AG (proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo! Inc. 6 full members and 1 institutional member present, 7 total votes

NOT PRESENT: Bangladesh Computer Council, Google, Inc., India MIT, Monotype Imaging Corp., Oracle America Inc, Rearden Commerce, Inc., W. Bental, SNLTR 3 full members, 3 institutional member, and 1 supporting member not present, 6.5 total votes



Administrative — Minutes Approval (A.5)

[127-C7] Consensus: Approve the minutes for:





Joint Meeting UTC 112/L2 209 [ L2/07-225R



Joint Meeting UTC 120/L2 217 [

Joint Meeting UTC 121/L2 218 [

Joint Meeting UTC 122/L2 219 [

Joint Meeting UTC 123/L2 220 [

Joint Meeting UTC 124/L2 221 [

Joint Meeting UTC 125/L2/222 [

Joint Meeting UTC 126/L2/223 [ Joint Meeting UTC 119/L2 216 [ L2/09-104R Joint Meeting UTC 120/L2 217 [ L2/09-225R Joint Meeting UTC 121/L2 218 [ L2/09-335R Joint Meeting UTC 122/L2 219 [ L2/10-015R Joint Meeting UTC 123/L2 220 [ L2/10-108R Joint Meeting UTC 124/L2 221 [ L2/10-221R Joint Meeting UTC 125/L2/222 [ L2/10-416R Joint Meeting UTC 126/L2/223 [ L2/11-016R

Scripts and Symbols — Old Italic Characters (C.26)

[127-C8] Consensus: Accept U+1031F OLD ITALIC LETTER ESS and U+1032F OLD ITALIC LETTER TTE for encoding in a future version of the standard, with the glyphs and properties as documented in [L2/11-146]

[127-A25] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include U+1031F OLD ITALIC LETTER ESS and U+1032F OLD ITALIC LETTER TTE [ L2/11-146]

[127-A26] Action item for Chris Little: Forward L2/11-146 to WG2.

[127-A27] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to the WG2 document requesting new additions [L2/11-146]

[127-A28] Action item for Chris Little: Provide information to the Editorial Committee for updating section 14.2 on Old Italic for Unicode 6.1. Include notes for an update to Figure 14-1. L2/11-146

[127-A29] Action item for Chris Little: Provide a font to Michel Suignard for the new Old Italic letters. [L2/11-146]

Scripts and Symbols — Duployan (C.20)

[127-A30] Action item for Peter Constable: Add our request to add Duployan to a ballot to the Unicode liaison report to WG2.

Scripts and Symbols — Naxi Dongba (C.29)

[127-A31] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Write a response to L2/11-178, on Naxi Dongba, as discussed in the meeting.

Scripts and Symbols — Wingdings and Webdings (C.22)

[127-A32] Action item for Peter Constable: Support the addition of the revised webdings proposal to an amendment in WG2. [L2/11-149]

Scripts and Symbols — Slovene Metelko (C.15.3)

[127-A33] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Karl Pentzlin regarding L2/11-136 that the UTC does not support the addition of the Latin letters for the Slovene Metelko alphabet.

Thursday, May 12, 2011

PRESENT: Adobe Systems, Inc, Apple Computer, Inc, IBM Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, Rearden Commerce, Inc., SAP AG (proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo! Inc. 7 full members and 1 institutional member present, 8 total votes

NOT PRESENT: Bangladesh Computer Council, Google, Inc., India MIT, Monotype Imaging Corp., Oracle America Inc., W. Bental, SNLTR 2 full members, 3 institutional member, and 1 supporting member not present, 5.5 total votes



South Asian Subcommittee — Grantha (D.10)

[127-A34] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Logasundaram to thank him for his feedback. [L2/11-075]

Scripts and Symbols — Kurdish (C.3)

[127-A35] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to Kurdish IT group on their proposal. [2/11-090]

[127-A36] Action item for Rick McGowan: Contact Joe Becker regarding the Kurdish annotations proposed in 2/11-090.

Properties — Schematic Names of Arabic Letters (B.13.1)

[127-A37] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Investigate whether U+0678 ARABIC LETTER HIGH HAMZA YEH should have a joining group of Farsi Yeh. [2/11-092]

[127-A38] Action item for Roozbeh Pournader: Follow up with Thomas Milo on the position of dots under Feh. [2/11-092]

South Asian Subcommittee — Mro Dandas (D.6)

[127-C9] Consensus: Accept U+16A6E MRO DANDA and U+16A6F MRO DOUBLE DANDA for encoding in a future version of the standard [L2/11-122]

[127-A39] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include U+16A6E MRO DANDA and U+16A6F MRO DOUBLE DANDA. See consensus 127-C9.

South Asian Subcommittee — Pau Cin Hau Script (D.3)

[127-C10] Consensus: Accept the 57 Pau Cin Hau characters at 11AC0..11AF8 with block Pau Cin Hau 11AC0..11AFF, for encoding in a future version of the standard, with properties as given in [2/11-104]

[127-A40] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include 57 Pau Cin Hau characters at 11AC0..11AF8. See Consensus 127-C10.

[127-A41] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add 57 Pau Cin Hau characters to document requesting additions [L2/11-104]

[127-A42] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Update the proposal for 57 Pau Cin Hau characters with new code locations and forward to WG2 [L2/11-104]

[127-A43] Action item for Anshuman Pandey: Forward the font 57 Pau Cin Hau characters to Michel Suignard [L2/11-104]

South Asian Subcommittee — Maithili Script (D.9)

[127-A44] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Ask Anshuman Pandey to change the script name from Maithili to Tirhuta, include the decompositions for the multi-part vowels, and submit to UTC and WG2 a new document to replace [L2/11-175]

[127-A45] Action item for Anshuman Pandey: Send Tirhuta font and updated nameslist file to Michel Suignard [L2/11-175]

[127-A46] Action item for Peter Constable: Support the Tirhuta script in WG2 [L2/11-175]

Scripts and Symbols — Arabic Letters (C.17.1.1)

[127-C11] Consensus: Accept 5 Arabic letters at 08AD..08B1 for encoding in a future version of the standard, with properties as given in L2/11-190; and with glyphs and collation from L2/11-138:

08AD ARABIC LETTER LOW ALEF

08AE ARABIC LETTER DAL WITH THREE DOTS BELOW

08AF ARABIC LETTER SAD WITH THREE DOTS BELOW

08B0 ARABIC LETTER GAF WITH INVERTED STROKE

08B1 ARABIC LETTER STRAIGHT WAW

[127-A47] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include 5 Arabic letters at 08AD..08B1. See Consensus 127-C11

[127-A48] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add to document requesting the addition of 5 Arabic letters at 08AD..08B1 [L2/11-190]

[127-A49] Action item for Lorna Priest: Send font of 5 Arabic letters at 08AD..08B1 to Michel Suignard. [L2/11-190]

[127-A50] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to authors of L2/11-138 regarding the 5 Arabic letters accepted at 08AD..08B1. [L2/11-190]

[127-A51] Action item for Ken Whistler, Editorial Committee: Update table 8-9 of The Unicde Standard with new Arabic joining group "Straight Waw". [L2/11-190]

Scripts and Symbols — Lithuanian Dialectology (C.15.2.1)

[127-C12] Consensus: Accept 14 characters for Lithuanian dialectology at 2B4E..2E3E, A794..A795, and A69C..A69D with properties as revised in L2/11-135 and updated in L2/11-189:

2B4E SHORT NORTH EAST ARROW

2B4F SHORT SOUTH EAST ARROW

2B5A NORTH EAST ARROW WITH HOOKED HEAD

2B5B SOUTH EAST ARROW WITH HOOKED TAIL

2B5C NORTH EAST ARROW WITH HORIZONTAL TAIL

2B5D SOUTH EAST ARROW WITH HORIZONTAL TAIL

2B5E BENT ARROW POINTING DOWNWARDS THEN NORTH EAST

2B5F SHORT BENT ARROW POINTING DOWNWARDS THEN NORTH EAST

2E3D VERTICAL SIX DOTS

2E3E WIGGLY VERTICAL LINE

A794 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH PALATAL HOOK

A795 LATIN SMALL LETTER H WITH PALATAL HOOK

A69C MODIFIER LETTER CYRILLIC HARD SIGN

A69D MODIFIER LETTER CYRILLIC SOFT SIGN

[127-A52] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update the pipeline to include 14 characters for Lithuanian dialectology. [L2/11-135, L2/11-189]

[127-A53] Action item for Deborah Anderson: Add 14 characters for Lithuanian dialectology to document requesting additions [L2/11-135, L2/11-189]

[127-A54] Action item for Michael Everson: Provide a font 14 characters for Lithuanian dialectology to Michel Suignard [L2/11-135, L2/11-189]

[127-A55] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to proposers regarding 14 characters for Lithuanian dialectology [L2/11-135]

[127-A56] Action item for Peter Constable: Revise L2/11-189 and submit to WG2.

Scripts and Symbols — Bitcoin Sign (C.14)

[127-A57] Action item for Rick McGowan: Respond to the author of L2/11-129 that the use of the bitcoin symbol in (running) text has not been demonstrated. There may also be IP issues because bitcoin.org is using the symbol as a logo.

Scripts and Symbols — Marchen Script (C.18)

[127-A58] Action item for Rick McGowan: Follow up with Andrew West and Tibetan experts on Marchen and other related Tibetan scripts [L2/11-140]

Friday, May 13, 2011

PRESENT: 8 Members: Adobe, Apple, Google, IBM, Microsoft, SAP(proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo!

PRESENT: Adobe Systems, Inc, Apple Computer, Inc, Google, Inc., IBM Corporation, Microsoft Corporation, Rearden Commerce, Inc., SAP AG (proxy), UC Berkeley, Yahoo! Inc. 8 full members and 1 institutional member present, 9 total votes

NOT PRESENT: Bangladesh Computer Council, India MIT, Monotype Imaging Corp., Oracle America Inc, W. Bental, SNLTR 1 full members, 3 institutional member, and 1 supporting member not present, 4.5 total votes



Properties — Preserving Variant Glyphs (B.14.3)

[127-A59] Action item for Ken Lunde: Work with Japan National Body representatives regarding the proposal in L2/11-187 to not create duplicate Ideographic Variation Sequence (IVS) registrations for compatibility characters.

[127-A60] Action item for Lisa Moore: Put B.14.3 Preserving Variant Glyphs L2/11-187 on the agenda for the next meeting.

Properties — Changes in DUCET (B.11.1.1)

[127-C13] Consensus: Update DUCET and Unicode Technical Standard #10: Unicode Collation Algorithm to incorporate features of CLDR as listed in items 1-3 of L2/11-176R2 for UCA 6.1.

[127-A61] Action item for Ken Whistler, Mark Davis: Supply a revised DUCET for Version 6.1. [L2/11-176R2]

[127-A62] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Update Unicode Technical Standard #10: Unicode Collation Algorithm for 6.1. [L2/11-176R2]

[127-A63] Action item for Ken Whistler: Modify http://www.unicode.org/collation/ducet-changes.html to improve the discussion of when changes are allowed, by December 2011. [L2/11-176R2]

IRG — Ideographic Variation Sequence Support (B.3.4)

[127-A64] Action item for Ken Lunde: Supply FAQ text on IVS support based on [L2/11-111].

Public Review Issue — General Category of Twelve Characters (B.10.3)

[127-C14] Consensus: Change the general category of to U+00AA FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR and U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR "Lo" for Unicode 6.1. [L2/11-154, L2/11-160]

[127-A65] Action item for Ken Whistler: Update UnicodeData.txt to change general category of to U+00AA FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR and U+00BA MASCULINE ORDINAL INDICATOR to "Lo" for Unicode 6.1. [L2/11-154, L2/11-160]

[127-A66] Action item for Rick McGowan: Close Public Review Issue #181. [L2/11-154, L2/11-160]

IRG — Ideographic Variation Database Registration Group (B.3.2)

[127-A67] Action item for Richard Cook: Prepare a UTC document for WG2 that requests IRG to assist in the preparation of Ideographic Variation Database (IVD) registrations. [2/11-107]

IRG — IRG Liaison Report (B.3.1)

[127-A68] Action item for Rick McGowan, Editorial Committee: Note new editors of Unicode Technical Standard #37: Ideographic Variation Database. [L2/11-121]

[127-A69] Action item for Ken Lunde, Editorial Committee: Address the IRG's concerns with UTC registration in Unicode Technical Standard #37: Ideographic Variation Database. [L2/11-121]

[127-A70] Action item for Peter Constable: Add to the UTC/WG2 liaison report, the update of Unicode Technical Standard #37: Ideographic Variation Database in response to IRG concerns, and include a reference to the IVD proposal in [2/11-109].

[127-A71] Action item for Rick McGowan: Forward to WG2 the Proposed Update Unicode Technical Standard #37: Ideographic Variation Database when ready, and inform Peter Constable when that happens. [L2/11-121]

[127-A72] Action item for John Jenkins: Send L2/11-109 to WG2.

Properties — Unihan kRSUnicode Field (B.14.1)

[127-A73] Action item for John Jenkins: Update Unicode Standard Annex #38: Unicode Han Database to say that the first value of the kRSUnicode field mirrors the normative radical stroke data from 10646. [L2/11-020]

[127-A74] Action item for John Jenkins: Verify that the first value of the kRSUnicode field does in fact mirror the normative radical stroke data from 10646. [L2/11-020]

Properties — Unicode Bidi Algorithm (B.13.6.1)

[127-C15] Consensus: Issue a Public Review Issue asking for feedback on whether or not the Unicode Bidi Algorithm should have an extension for formatting URLs, and if so, what form the extension should take. Ask for real-life examples. [L2/10-200]

[127-A75] Action item for Mark Davis, Editorial Committee: Create text for a Public Review Issue on extending the UBA for URLs. [L2/10-200]

[127-A76] Action item for Rick McGowan: Post the Public Review Issue on extending UBA for URLs to close July 25, 2011 [L2/10-200]

Public Review Issue — Case-Insensitivity (B.10.2.1.2)

[127-A77] Action item for Mark Davis: Engage with Tom Christiansen and other Perl community members to see how they address multi-character transform issues. [L2/11-163]

[127-A78] Action item for Rick McGowan: Find out who the best contacts in Perl organization are, and report to Mark Davis, et al. [ L2/11-163]

[127-C16] Consensus: Modify the current Proposed Update Unicode Technical Standard #18: Unicode Regular Expressions to add an open issue asking whether we should add primary UCA matching. Discuss the relationship with case-insensitive and accent-insensitive and NFKC matching.

[127-A79] Action item for Mark Davis: Update Proposed Update Unicode Technical Standard #18: Unicode Regular Expressions.

[127-A80] Action item for Rick McGowan: Extend Public Review Issue #179 to July 25, 2011 and re-issue an announcement that it is extended.

[127-A81] Action item for Rick McGowan: Add to the Public Review Issue/announcement checklist to always send an announcement when a Public Review Issue gets extended.

[127-A82] Action item for Lisa Moore: Add L2/11-142 and L2/11-154 to the agenda for the next meeting.

[127-A83] Action item for Rick McGowan: Extend Public Review Issue #177 and Public Review Issue #182 to July 25, 2011.

UTC Attendance

Person Representing Deborah Anderson UC Berkeley Peter Constable Microsoft Craig Cummings Yahoo! Mark Davis Google Peter Edberg Apple Mike Ksar WG2 Chris Little LSA Ken Lunde Adobe Rick McGowan Unicode Lisa Moore IBM Eric Muller Adobe Roozbeh Pournader Gnome Murray Sargent Microsoft Michel Suignard Unicode Tex Texin Rearden V. S. Umamaheswaran IBM Ken Whistler Sybase/SAP By Phone Michael Everson Evertype Richard Cook self Naga Ganesan self Laurentiu Iancu Microsoft John Jenkins Apple Shriramana Sharma self

Members Represented