In this episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Andrew Sullivan about the 2016 presidential election.

Andrew Sullivan edited The New Republic from 1991 – 1996 and was an intellectual architect of the campaign for marriage equality. He is the author of The Conservative Soul and Virtually Normal. Sullivan’s blog, The Dish, pioneered online journalism from 2000 – 2015. He is at work on a collection of essays and a book on the future of Christianity.

Andrew Sullivan. “I Used to Be a Human Being.” New York Magazine. September 18, 2016.