No, but we have seen people take them and listen in on lines Click to expand... Click to shrink...

It's been run into, but it's been highly effective every time we see it. Mr. 2 Bon Clay caused a lot of confusion, Vergo was a highly effective deep cover agent, and frankly a lot of OP characters are kinda idiots. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

We've seen Impel Down and the Holy Land Mary Geoise during the Levely (where the leadership of the world meets!) both get infiltrated- Sabo, an incredibly wanted man, doing so with a simple disguise.



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They're part of the world government. Also observation haki only does that at higher levels, they don't have ubiquitous screening (failed to catch Sabo! Or Luffy at Impel Down), and the infiltrator can be weak. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

You asked who could beat an admiral or shichibukai one on one. Those ones have abilities who can do so.



Ok, doesn't change that the ninja do have individuals who can take them out (which is what you asked!)- and some of the ninja abilities are a lot harder to avoid. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Yea, repeater rifles which they aren't good shots at, which can't be stacked/comboed like jutsu have to allow a bunch of small people, and can easily be stolen so they're facing ninja. So you'll have superfast ninja grunts with jutsu and guns vs grunt marines with guns. Their one advantage is not going to be an advantage very long at all, meaning ninja grunts have every advantage. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

The other thread was a pitched battle, this is a longer term war which plays more to the ninja's strengths- and the ninja didn't have their big guns in that one either. Most of the stuff that helped get the ninja have a decisive win there still applies here- disparity in grunt quality, jutsu allow battlefield manipulation and groups of low to mid rank people to be effective against high rank ones in a way low-rank marines simply aren't- but the whole 'ninja' thing means the World Government will face infiltration and confusion and stolen tech and their people laying bare their secrets in ways that can only be done in little ways during pitched battles. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

They could just follow up with Water Prison, a fairly common move among high level water users. Or just make the water deep enough- Yamato made a pool of water when demonstrating his water jutsu, and anyone with Earth jutsu can make a little pit. A simple combo for an easy answer. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

Sure, they have ninja, but OP ninja do not have ubiquitous shape shifting. Nor mind reading or possession. And the OP ninja we've seen aren't that great at it.



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Also Cipher Pol isn't counter-ops. They're spies and assassins, not counter-spies. We haven't seen them do counter-intelligence work. Plus get one from a unit, hand them to a mind-reader (of which we've seen multiple chunin with the technique), and that unit's makeup is an open book- and considering each one of them is 1/10th the spy force, that's not good. Click to expand... Click to shrink...

You mean admirals then.Great. And I'm sure this happens to real militaries too. I guess we now assume the US military has a fully intercepted comms system.Bon Kurei I'll hand you (but only by being inside during a chaotic time), but Vergo was an embedded spy. He was not impersonating anyone and most likely joined the Marines and rose through the ranks legitimately. There's no way anyone in Naruto will achieve such a feat in the scenario, unless we're assuming this'll last years.Sabo was impersonating a guard, not anyone of import that required recognition beyond their status. And currently the Revolutionaries are hiding in a cliff face and have yet to make it anywhere within Mary Geoise proper. We also have no idea how far embedded the Revolutionaries are in the World Government over years of infiltration that may have afforded Sabo his opportunity. Luffy on the other hand, got into Impel Down because the authority of a Shichibukai, who was the real deal. He was also heavily assisted by an existing prisoner cell and the attack of Black Beard who was also using his authority as a real Shichibukai.How often do we even see great spy work from the shinobi anyhow? Suigetsu and Jūgo literally only waltzed around in samurai armor and weren't even good at it as a single samurai calling them out made them instantly drop the act. We also often see many traitors and spies in the ninjas own midst that don't do anything much different than Vergo did, so it's not like they even have good counter-ops themselves.Yes, but through the context of "Since this is around the time of the 4th Ninja War there are just to many Ninjas who could almost certainly solo this." If you're going to respond to me out of turn, then at least read up a few levels.Or do I literally need to make contextual clues for you every time I respond to someone else?You'll need to provide evidence of them not being good shots.As for stealing them, we already went through this with the other thread. There's no indication a mook ninja will be any good with a gun. If you want we can go ask our good friends at the War Room how good unfamiliar people are with firearms for their first time. Being good with shuriken make you no better a shot than a real life shuriken thrower.And another difference is the ninja actually have assets to lose in this scenario. If they're not doing pitched battles to occupy the Marines, then once they find a village, I don't see how they won't get annihilated a la Pain. I'm just talking Pacifistas, mind, not admirals and the likes.Proof that Water Prison is fairly common?As for the combo, you'd require a pitched battle and any large grouping of ninja are pickings for the Marines.It seems a lot of the discussion is revolving around strictly the subversion parts of the war, and while important, do nothing about solving independent elements (such as the Shichibukai) gunning for shinobi assets in the meanwhile. The vast majority of ninja assets as far as I can tell are concentrated solely in their home villages, of which there are only five.Spycraft is all fine and dandy at lowering the effectiveness of Marine coordination, but do little for battalions presided over by Vice Admirals and Admirals or other elements of power that are projecting power inland.How about we then agree the Marines lose on the intelligence front, but let's discuss how the ninja will stop an actual assault front. Because no amount of communications infiltration is going to stop any major players from moving inland, especially assets of the Shichibukai who are used to being independent.