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Next » There was an error. Delete post THIS IS A SPINNER or cancel THIS IS A SPINNER metadata Hello everyone! We apologize for any inconvenience or confusion caused by the removal of the Buy Max Nixon Coin pack in the shop. The intent for the new packs is to offer equivalent chances of getting Epics and Legendaries, but with slightly more Watts. The new packs have equal chance to the basic pack of getting Legends and Epics per Nixon spent, but removing the ‘Buy Max’ option has caused some confusion on how these packs worked. We’ve discussed this internally and the Buy Max button will be making a reappearance next week. The Epic Basic and Rare Basic packs for Nixons will also remain. ![](https://imgur.com/SVSI8tW.gif) We’ve added the [drop rates to include the new Rare Basic and Epic Basic packs in our help center article ](https://animationthrowdown.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026428371-Drop-Rates-AKA-Loot-Odds-). For reference, the Basic pack drop rates are also posted here (they have remained the same). **Basic Pack Drop Rates:** 80% common 18% rare 1.8% epic 0.2% legendary **Rare Basic Pack Drop Rates:** 90% Rare 9% Epic 1% Legendary **Epic Basic Pack Drop Rates:** 90% Epic 10% Legendary Thank you all for sharing and voicing your feedback. Please share here if you have additional questions or feedback. Thank you for playing Animation Throwdown! metadata Thanks for this... ... I thought the best idea for the new pack would’ve been a slider for each but I’m glad to have this returned metadata > _Originally posted by **[CaptnReynolds](/forums/726779/topics/1856394?page=1#13222661):**_ > Thanks for this... ... I thought the best idea for the new pack would’ve been a slider for each but I’m glad to have this returned I agree. And you already coded it so it shouldn't be hard to implement it metadata Wow very interesting TY for sharing! For me personally, the gripe with the Max Buy removal hinders on the Daily "Buy Packs" Quest. I'd suggest updating that quest if the need to remove the max buy button ever arrises again. metadata Thank you for including the drop rates, explaining the decision behind the button removal more clearly, and the decision to bring it back. I do think that a slider is a nice addition as well though. Would it be too much for BOTH a Max Button, AND a Slider? metadata Thank you, quite pleased it's coming back :) metadata Thanks for making the right call metadata > *Originally posted by **[IndustryDarling](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222667)**:* > Wow very interesting TY for sharing! > > For me personally, the gripe with the Max Buy removal hinders on the Daily "Buy Packs" Quest. I'd suggest updating that quest if the need to remove the max buy button ever arrises again. That is annoying that buying a 50k epic pack doesn't satisfy the daily quest requirement. Like you mentioned, they should change the quest to "buy 3 single packs or a multi pack". metadata > *Originally posted by **[mfruity](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222681)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[IndustryDarling](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222667)**:* > > Wow very interesting TY for sharing! > > > > For me personally, the gripe with the Max Buy removal hinders on the Daily "Buy Packs" Quest. I'd suggest updating that quest if the need to remove the max buy button ever arrises again. > > That is annoying that buying a 50k epic pack doesn't satisfy the daily quest requirement. Like you mentioned, they should change the quest to "buy 3 single packs or a multi pack". > but if u get the epic basic pack ur only buying one card so y would it count for 3 buys? just like if u buy a SEP (3 cards come out), it only counts as 1 for the daily quest, but no one has had a problem with this metadata Hey y'all! We are currently investigating the option of adding sliders to buy a specific number of packs, but that isn't possible immediately. We wanted to return the option to buy max packs sooner. Thank you for your suggestions! metadata > *Originally posted by **[emmesa27](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222686)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[mfruity](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222681)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[IndustryDarling](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222667)**:* > > > Wow very interesting TY for sharing! > > > > > > For me personally, the gripe with the Max Buy removal hinders on the Daily "Buy Packs" Quest. I'd suggest updating that quest if the need to remove the max buy button ever arrises again. > > > > That is annoying that buying a 50k epic pack doesn't satisfy the daily quest requirement. Like you mentioned, they should change the quest to "buy 3 single packs or a multi pack". > > > > but if u get the epic basic pack ur only buying one card so y would it count for 3 buys? > just like if u buy a SEP (3 cards come out), it only counts as 1 for the daily quest, but no one has had a problem with this That's why they should change it. Because most users won't be able to accumulate 150k Nixons on a daily basis. Quests are set arbitrarily anyway so there's no reason why they couldn't make buying a single 50k epic pack satisfy the quest requirements. metadata > _Originally posted by **[mfruity](/forums/726779/topics/1856394?page=1#13222692):**_ > > *Originally posted by **[emmesa27](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222686)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[mfruity](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222681)**:* > > > > *Originally posted by **[IndustryDarling](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222667)**:* > > > > Wow very interesting TY for sharing! > > > > > > > > For me personally, the gripe with the Max Buy removal hinders on the Daily "Buy Packs" Quest. I'd suggest updating that quest if the need to remove the max buy button ever arrises again. > > > > > > That is annoying that buying a 50k epic pack doesn't satisfy the daily quest requirement. Like you mentioned, they should change the quest to "buy 3 single packs or a multi pack". > > > > > > > but if u get the epic basic pack ur only buying one card so y would it count for 3 buys? > > just like if u buy a SEP (3 cards come out), it only counts as 1 for the daily quest, but no one has had a problem with this > > That's why they should change it. Because most users won't be able to accumulate 150k Nixons on a daily basis. > > Quests are set arbitrarily anyway so there's no reason why buying they couldn't make buying a single 50k epic pack satisfy the quest requirements. > There was still an option to buy a single basic card you just had to buy three separately to satisfy the daily quest you didn't have to buy the 50,000 pack 3 times. Though if that's the route ya wanna take. metadata > *Originally posted by **[WhomItMayConcern](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222688)**:* > Hey y'all! > > We are currently investigating the option of adding sliders to buy a specific number of packs, but that isn't possible immediately. We wanted to return the option to buy max packs sooner. Thank you for your suggestions! What about addressing the concern about the buy 3 packs quest not being fulfilled by this massive multipack purchase if the buy max fulfilled it before? I don't get why this wasn't taken into account in the first place. metadata good news metadata > *Originally posted by **[soulbud](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222708)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[WhomItMayConcern](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222688)**:* > > Hey y'all! > > > > We are currently investigating the option of adding sliders to buy a specific number of packs, but that isn't possible immediately. We wanted to return the option to buy max packs sooner. Thank you for your suggestions! > > What about addressing the concern about the buy 3 packs quest not being fulfilled by this massive multipack purchase if the buy max fulfilled it before? I don't get why this wasn't taken into account in the first place. I'll make sure that the developers are aware of this issue as well. Please remember that our office will be closed on Monday September 2, 2019 in observance for Labor day. I hope you all have a great weekend! metadata THANK YOU!!!!!!!! metadata Honestly for once I had no real issue with this decision. Hope the packs stay though metadata ** To: WhomItMayConcern -** The Basic Pack (which is bought in bulk via Buy Max) has a chance to directly return Giggitywatts in addition to whatever card it returns. The drop rates that you list do not include the odds/quantities for these direct watt returns. If this information was added, then the players could truly compare the value of the 3 types of Basic packs. For now, I was only able to estimate the direct watts returned based on my own experience. Since I've never tracked my basic pack returns, my estimate is rough and purely anecdotal. --- ** Basic Pack Value Comparison** ![Basic Back Proceeds Comparison](https://i.postimg.cc/0jgGsJT1/Basic-Nixon-Pack-Returns.png) The above table shows a comparison of the expected returns for the 3 types of Basic Packs per 500,000 Nixons spent. It assumes that all cards except legendaries are recycled for watts. As stated above, I do not know the average expected giggitywatts directly returned by the Basic Pack, but I estimated its value as 500 (highlighted in yellow; changed from 375 based on input from oilmanq below). All 3 types of packs are expected to return 1 legendary card for each 500,000 Nixons spent. Even if my estimate of direct giggitywatts for the basic pack is on the low side, it looks likely that the Rare and Epic Basic packs return more watts than the old Basic Pack (which are bought in bulk via the Buy Max option). The Rare and Epic Basic packs are expected to return a similar amount of watts, but the Epic Basic Pack has the better expected return of 50 more watts per 500,000 Nixons spent (1,725 vs. 1,675). --- Unless my estimate for Direct GWs for the Basic Pack turns out to ~~wildly~~ low, I think it's clear that the Epic Basic Pack provides the best value. Therefore, I personally plan to switch the Bulk of my Nixon investment to the Epic Basic Pack. I will continue to buy up to 3 Basic Packs per day to meet the requirements of the Daily Quest. Otherwise, it'll be all Epic Basic Packs for me. --- **Edit:** Changed the value for *Direct Giggitywatts Returned* in the *Buy Max* column to 500 based on input from oilmanq. > *Originally posted by **[oilmanq](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222811)**:* > > From https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kVU4jTJpMSkkKWjGxZEGys0SHAsIH5M3AmlN4aahd-4/edit#gid=0 data, I suggest you revise the number up to 500 as there is a 20% chance for them to drop. metadata This post requires Administrator review before it can be successfully posted. Thank you for your patience and understanding! metadata Oh good. I would actually suggest a "buy Max" for all of the Nixon packs. metadata > *Originally posted by **[crimsontiger](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222757)**:* > ** To: WhomItMayConcern -** The Basic Pack (which is bought in bulk via Buy Max) has a chance to directly return Giggitywatts in addition to whatever card it returns. The drop rates that you list do not include the odds/quantities for these direct watt returns. If this information was added, then the players could truly compare the value of the 3 types of Basic packs. For now, I was only able to estimate the direct watts returned based on my own experience. Since I've never tracked my basic pack returns, my estimate is rough and purely anecdotal. > > --- > > ** Basic Pack Value Comparison** > > ![Basic Back Proceeds Comparison](https://i.postimg.cc/ZYGWqHBN/Basic-Nixon-Pack-Returns.png) > > The above table shows a comparison of the expected returns for the 3 types of Basic Packs per 500,000 Nixons spent. It assumes that all cards except legendaries are recycled for watts. As stated above, I do not know the average expected giggitywatts directly returned by the Basic Pack, but I estimated its value as 375 (highlighted in yellow). All 3 types of packs are expected to return 1 legendary card for each 500,000 Nixons spent. Even if my estimate of direct giggitywatts for the basic pack is on the low side, it looks likely that the Rare and Epic Basic packs return more watts than the old Basic Pack (which are bought in bulk via the Buy Max option). The Rare and Epic Basic packs are expected to return a similar amount of watts, but the Epic Basic Pack has the better expected return of 50 more watts per 500,000 Nixons spent (1,725 vs. 1,675). > > --- > > Unless my estimate for Direct GWs for the Basic Pack turns out to wildly low, I think it's clear that the Epic Basic Pack provides the best value. Therefore, I personally plan to switch the Bulk of my Nixon investment to the Epic Basic Pack. I will continue to buy up to 3 Basic Packs per day to meet the requirements of the Daily Quest. Otherwise, it'll be all Epic Basic Packs for me. From https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kVU4jTJpMSkkKWjGxZEGys0SHAsIH5M3AmlN4aahd-4/edit#gid=0 data, I suggest you revise the number up to 500 as there is a 20% chance for them to drop. Still the large epic pack is better, but some people like to not put all their eggs in one basket, and will get more average returns over more trials, rather than be konged with fewer rolls. This then goes into the realm of risk analysis and risk adversity. Could be psychological too, they like seeing more things in their basket and having the agency to decide what to keep. edit: also it looks like they upped the odds from when this data was gathered for epics, from 0.6% epic to 1.8%, and 19.3% rare down to 18%. Legendary and common remain the same. Maybe that was at the time when they had to publish the odds metadata Do not bring back Buy Max Packs! Just add an amount slider to EVERY pack in the store, maximized by default. metadata > *Originally posted by **[oilmanq](/forums/727066/topics/1856394?page=1#13222811)**:* > > From https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kVU4jTJpMSkkKWjGxZEGys0SHAsIH5M3AmlN4aahd-4/edit#gid=0 data, I suggest you revise the number up to 500 as there is a 20% chance for them to drop. Still the large epic pack is better, but some people like to not put all their eggs in one basket, and will get more average returns over more trials, rather than be konged with fewer rolls. This then goes into the realm of risk analysis and risk adversity. Could be psychological too, they like seeing more things in their basket and having the agency to decide what to keep. > > edit: also it looks like they upped the odds from when this data was gathered for epics, from 0.6% epic to 1.8%, and 19.3% rare down to 18%. Legendary and common remain the same. Maybe that was at the time when they had to publish the odds Done. Changed in my original post above. metadata I’m still kinda confused why the buy max option was missed. Are people collecting commons and rares? I just don’t see the significance in comparison to the 50k packs. metadata > _Originally posted by **[Brandingo83](/forums/726779/topics/1856394?page=1#13222900):**_ > I’m still kinda confused why the buy max option was missed. Are people collecting commons and rares? I just don’t see the significance in comparison to the 50k packs. They dont return any legendaries I could spend 150k on 50k packs and get 3 blue cards as compared to spending 150k on buy max packs and come out with 2-3 legy cards does that clear things up a bit? Your basically doing a giggity watt exchange for 1000s giggitys at a 10% chance how often do we see many legendaries cards out of that pull think about it « Prev

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