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This power rank only includes players who dabbled in SC2 and mostly serves to give an idea of how good the top players today were in WC3. The most notable players who never tried to switch include: Fly, TH000, Ted, Lucifer, Fov, Sweet, Reign, SoJu, Zacard, Insomnia, Deadman, and HoT.



Note that I'm ranking mostly based on overall achievements. Players will get bonus points points for being in the scene longer. Ranking based on other criteria would result in different placements, especially for the top players.



TL has its roots in BW and most of its users are familiar with the BW scene. However, many of the professional players playing SC2 today, including most of the top foreigners, come from WC3 roots. Here is an attempt to bridge that gap of knowledge and another opportunity for you guys to argue among yourselves over a Power Rank. Unofficial TL WC3 Power Rank



1. Grubby(O)/Moon(NE)/Sky(H)

There is no question that these three players are the best of their respective regions (Europe/Korea/China). However, there is consistent debate as to which of these players is the best and I'm not going to fuel that fire. Instead, I'll list each player's merits and have you decide.



Grubby was always the face of foreign Warcraft III. He dominated foreign WC3 and was always considered the best foreigner since 2004 when he won WCG over Zacard. Since then, he's won multiple WCGs, ESWCs, and Blizzcons, the most successful player in tournaments that aren't hosting in Korea or China. Grubby slumped around 2007, a time when he and other Orcs were having trouble with NE and especially Human. He eventually rebounded though and was considered the best out of the big three at the end of WC3. When asked about who he thinks is the best player of all time, Grubby simply calmly states that he has been the most consistent of the three over the longest period of time. To his credit, this is true as even though Grubby had his slumps, he never sank as low as the other two. The opposite argument is that he arguably was never as dominant as the other two. Playstyle-wise, Grubby was one of the smartest players, often winning games that many thought were unwinnable. WC3 played to Grubby's strengths in this way because it was a game that had a lot of potential decisions and allowed for comebacks.



Achievements

1st Cyber X Gaming



1st WCG 2004



1st ESWC 2005



1st Blizzcon 2005



3rd WCG 2005



2nd Blizzard WWI 2006



2nd WEG Masters



3rd KODE5



1st WSVG 2006



3rd BNet Season IV



4th WSVG China



3rd ESWC 2007



3rd Battle.Net Season V (BlizzCon)



3rd Blizzard WWI 2008



3rd World e-Sports Masters



1st WCG 2008



1st e-Stars Seoul 2009 Kotg



2nd Battle.Net Season VII (BlizzCon)



2nd NGL-ONE Season 6



2nd e-Stars Seoul 2010 Kotg



4th BNet Season VIII (BlizzCon)



2nd WCG 2010 Moon probably had the highest peak out of all three players. He dominated tournaments in Korea before either Grubby or Sky made a mark onto the scene. He famously had 16 map winning streak in WEG, winning the first one without dropping a single map using seemingly troll strategies along the way. Some examples include charming one of Tod's peasants and killing him with Human units or using all glaive thrower strategies. He was always one of the top three players in the world until the end of WC3 and around 2007, he would almost always meet Sky in tournaments, the winner usually taking the title. However, Moon slumped fairly hard near the end of WC3 when he stopped being the absolute favorite in tournaments.



Achievements

1st WEG1



1st WEG2



4th WEG Masters



1st IEST



1st Game-X



1st WSVG China



4th Blizzard WWI 2007



3rd WCG 2007



1st PGL2



2nd PGL3



4th World e-Sports Masters



2nd WCG 2008



1st IEST 2008



4th e-Stars Seoul 2009 Kotg



1st NGL-ONE Season 6



1st e-Stars Seoul 2010 Kotg



3rd BNet Season VIII (BlizzCon)



2nd ESWC 2010



1st IEST 2011

Sky entered the scene relatively late compared to the other two players, but he made an incredible splash when he won 2005. Since then, he has been akin to Boxer in China, i.e. the face of Chinese esports. In the game, he revolutionized and standardized every Human matchup with the help of his Chinese Human counterparts, Infi and TH000. These include:

Tier 1 harass, mercenaries, and Panda in HvH



Tower pushes and expo to mass gryphon in HvO



Mass tank/flying machine in HvU



1 base pushes, mass tank/flying machine, and 2 base pushes in HvNE His Human vs Human was so good(71%) that other Chinese Humans always offraced as Night Elf to face him. After Tod quit, Human vs Human basically became a non-existent matchup in the pro scene. Like Moon however, he slumped near the end of WC3 where other humans such as TH000 and Infi overtook him. Today, he coaches the World Elite LoL/Dota team.



Achievements

3rd WEG 1



1st ACON 5



4th ESWC 2005



1st WCG 2005



3rd WEG Masters



1st PGL I



3rd ESWC 2006



1st WCG 2006



2nd IEST 2006



2nd WSVG China



3rd/4th Blizzard WWI 2007



2nd WCG 2007



2nd PGL II



3rd PGL III



2nd ESWC 2008



2nd IEST 2008



2nd PGL IV



1st PGL Championship Challenge



2nd WCG 2011

4. Lyn(O)

Lyn is undoubtedly the second best Korean ever. He had played during the beginning of TFT, notably losing to Moon in a finals. Then he fell off the radar for a while(he might have briefly quit) before he came back with a vengeance. From 2007 onward, he was consistently one of the top players and probably better than Grubby overall except for a few short periods. He had exceptional micro and contributed the addition of spirit walkers to Orc vs Undead.



Achievements

4th ESWC 2007



2nd Blizzard WWI 2008



1st BNet Season VI (BlizzCon)



2nd World e-Sports Masters



2nd e-Stars Seoul 2009 Kotg



1st BNet Season VII (BlizzCon)



3rd WCG 2009



3rd NGL-ONE Season 6



3rd e-Stars Seoul 2010 Kotg



2nd ESWC 2010



3rd WCG 2010



2nd IEST 2011



1st WCG 2011

5. Tod(H)

Tod was definitively the second best European player, but always took a backseat to Grubby, especially when they were on 4K together. Tod is the face of European humans, adopting a more classical style of human compared to the more modern style of Chinese humans. Tod's biggest accomplishment is perhaps that he won the most prestigious WC3 tournament ever,



Achievements

4th ESWC 2003



3rd WCG 2004



3rd Blizzcon 2007



2nd CIG 2005



2nd World e-Sports Festival



2nd KODE5



2nd WCG 2006



4th BNet Season IV



1st Blizzard WWI 2007



3rd IEST 2008

6. Infi(H)

Infi was seen as Sky's younger sibling as they were on the same team and shared strategies. His most defining trait was his usage of towers, whether defensively or offensively. It was not uncommon for to see an Infi game with over 100 towers built. At the end of WC3, he surpassed Sky in skill.



Achievements

1st KODE5



1st World e-Sports Masters



4th IESF 2008



3rd/4th PGL IV



1st WCG 2009



2nd IESF 2009



2nd BNet Season VIII (BlizzCon)



1st IESF 2010



3rd IESF 2011

7. Remind(NE)

Remind had excellent micro and would have been one of the greats had he not been so terrible against Undead early in his career. Then one day, he suddenly figured the matchup out and started realized his potential. Ever since 2007, he had gradually been getting better and he peaked near the end of WC3 and was considered one of the best, if not the best, in the world when he won WCG 2010 over Grubby. He was also part of the best 2v2 team ever in WC3 with SoJu where he played his offrace, Orc



Achievements

2nd ACON 5



4th CIG



1st BNet Season IV



2nd BNet Season V (BlizzCon)



1st BNet Season VIII (BlizzCon)



3rd ESWC 2010



1st WCG 2010

8. Creolophus(NE)

Creolophus was a prodigy who shares many characteristics with Snute and Stephano. Like Snute, he is a charismatic Norwegian. Likewise, he shares even more with Stephano:

They're both intelligent player, often aiming to outsmart their opponents with efficiency.



Both are nearly undefeated against Grubby(Creo was completely undefeated against him after joining 4k)



Most importantly, they quit(or plan to quite) the game near their respective peaks. However, after quitting the game for a few months, he qualified for WCG and after a few days of training, went on to win the whole thing, beating heavy favorite Sky in the finals in perhaps the biggest upset in WC3 history.



Achievements

2nd ESWC 2007



1st BNet Season V (BlizzCon)



1st WCG 2007

8.5 Madfrog(U)

Madfrog is difficult to place, because although he was one of the most successful players and a WC3 legend, he quit the game before WC3 competition really took off. He mostly famously popularized gargoyle harass in NE, a cornerstone of the matchup until late in WC3.



Achievements

2nd ESWC 2003



1st Blizzard WWI 2004



2nd ESWC 2004

9. Lucifron(O)

WC3 was often regarded as a old boy's club as very few players could break into the scene. Lucifron was one of the only two players, along with Violet, who accomplished this. However, unfortunately many discredit him for abusing Orc, similar to how the SC2 scene calls WoL Zergs patchzergs.



Achievements

2nd BNet Season VI (BlizzCon)

10. Soccer(NE)

Aka SlayerS_Ven, Soccer was one of the best players near the end of WC3. He was especially known for his NE vs Human and his Warden usage in all matchups. Because he was on MYM and then WMF with Moon, he was often referred to as mini-Moon.



Achievements

3rd BNet Season VII (BlizzCon)



2nd KODE5

11. GoStop(U)

Called the Nerubian King for his successful usage of crypt fiends. Almost beat Moon 2-3 in WEG2. He quit in 2007.



Achievements

2nd WEG III



2nd WEG II

12. Check(NE)

Check has been around forever in the WC3 scene, and though he has always been relevant, he was always considered mediocre for a Korean late into his career. He's also known for his relatively low APM for a Korean. He switched to Orc for a brief period during early WC3.



Achievements

4th PGL I



4th BNet Season VI (BlizzCon)



4th PGL Championship Challenge

13. Focus(O)

One of the better Korean players, Focus was consistently relevant starting from when he started playing in 2007, but never surpassed the Korean greats in tournaments. He won a lot of Zotac cups though. He tried SC2 for one GSL season but returned back to China to play WC3. He still plays WC3 to this day I believe.



Achievements

4th NGL-ONE Season 6

14. Violet(O)

Like Lucifron, Violet is the other player who really broke into the scene late into the game and did quite well online. Because of his Korean heritage however, he very rarely got to go overseas because of the difficulty of qualifying for offline tournaments via Korean qualifiers.



15. Happy(U)

Happy is mainly known for two things:

He had good micro and extremely high APM.



He only ever had four strategies total, one against each race. As such, he is probably the most predictable player in all of esports. Besides that, he was the third best foreigner at the end of WC3, after only Grubby and Lucifron. He was also a bit BM and was on EG with Grubby.



Achievements

3rd BNet Season VI (BlizzCon)



3rd WCG 2008



4th WCG 2009



4th e-Stars Seoul 2010 Kotg



4th ESWC 2010

16. SaSe(NE)

SaSe lived in China for a very long time to train and almost always reached the top 16 of tournaments. He was certainly capable of beating anyone, but has never won an international tournament.



Achievements

4th World e-Sports Festival

17. xiaoT(O)

Once the second best Chinese player after Sky, xiaoT's results eventually fell off and he quit the game. His OvO was especially weak in a time when Orc was doing well. He promised to returned in SC2 and dominate, but he quickly gave up on that as well.



Achievements

4th PGL II

18. Xlord(U)

Hands down, the best German player in WC3. He was restricted from competing in EPS tournaments early on because of his young age. Also known for being BM, something his teammate, miou, once famously complained about.



19. Demuslim(H)

A promising player who joined 4k right before it collapsed. After that, he seemed to disappear from the scene.



20. Satiini(NE)

A curious NE who never went to lans because he had a fear of traveling.



21. Hasuobs(U)

Another great German player. He had some epic games versus Moon with mass gargoyles.



Achievements

4th KODE 5

21. miou(H)

Yet another great German who dominated EPS before Xlord was allowed to play.

Achievements

4th ACON 5

(Around this point, it gets a bit arbitrary. I'm still trying to list in relative skill though.)



ThorZaiN(H): Started quite late and was getting good near the end of WC3



Macsed(NE): Was consistently overshadowed by other Chinese players and was probably better than this ranking suggests.



Rotterdam(O): Known for using Farseer when everyone used Blademaster. Also known for being good at OvO and sometimes qualifying over Grubby in Dutch qualifiers.



Ciara(O): Known for being recruited onto EG so they could have a third player to play team leagues with.



Titan(NE): One of the better Russians near the end of WC3



Nightend(U): An underrated Undead player.



Vortix(U): Was way overshadowed by his brother. However, in interviews, Lucifron stated that Vortix had a better win ratio against him than any other Undead in the world.



Kas(H): Known for getting into semifinals of online cups



Elfiittaja(U): A decent Undead.



Targa(NE): Honestly don't remember much



Naama(?): Was the brother of another WC3 player, Sein. Otherwise, don't remember much.



Kiwikaki(O):: Probably the second best player from North America near the end of WC3, overshadowed only by Nilknarf.



Naniwa(U): Known more for BM than skill



Stephano(H): I can't recall any major accomplishments, but he did go to LANs and went a bit far into cups.



SjoW(H): Known for being a part of the best 2v2 team with Delicato in early WC3.



Bly4eg(U): Mostly online player



Cruncher(U): One of the better North Americans near the end of WC3



Moonglade(NE): A night elf. Possibly higher, I don't remember much.



Take(H): I just remember it being funny that he was on the same team as a player named tak3r.



Axslav(R): Known for his 2v2 team with Strifeco. They both massed huntresses and consistently beat all other top teams which consisted of top 1v1 players. Played random in WC3.



Strifeco(NE): see Axslav



1.There is no question that these three players are the best of their respective regions (Europe/Korea/China). However, there is consistent debate as to which of these players is the best and I'm not going to fuel that fire. Instead, I'll list each player's merits and have you decide.was always the face of foreign Warcraft III. He dominated foreign WC3 and was always considered the best foreigner since 2004 when he won WCG over Zacard. Since then, he's won multiple WCGs, ESWCs, and Blizzcons, the most successful player in tournaments that aren't hosting in Korea or China. Grubby slumped around 2007, a time when he and other Orcs were having trouble with NE and especially Human. He eventually rebounded though and was considered the best out of the big three at the end of WC3. When asked about who he thinks is the best player of all time, Grubby simply calmly states that he has been the most consistent of the three over the longest period of time. To his credit, this is true as even though Grubby had his slumps, he never sank as low as the other two. The opposite argument is that he arguably was never as dominant as the other two. Playstyle-wise, Grubby was one of the smartest players, often winning games that many thought were unwinnable. WC3 played to Grubby's strengths in this way because it was a game that had a lot of potential decisions and allowed for comebacks.probably had the highest peak out of all three players. He dominated tournaments in Korea before either Grubby or Sky made a mark onto the scene. He famously had 16 map winning streak in WEG, winning the first one without dropping a single map using seemingly troll strategies along the way. Some examples include charming one of Tod's peasants and killing him with Human units or using all glaive thrower strategies. He was always one of the top three players in the world until the end of WC3 and around 2007, he would almost always meet Sky in tournaments, the winner usually taking the title. However, Moon slumped fairly hard near the end of WC3 when he stopped being the absolute favorite in tournaments.entered the scene relatively late compared to the other two players, but he made an incredible splash when he won 2005. Since then, he has been akin to Boxer in China, i.e. the face of Chinese esports. In the game, he revolutionized and standardized every Human matchup with the help of his Chinese Human counterparts, Infi and TH000. These include:His Human vs Human was so good(71%) that other Chinese Humans always offraced as Night Elf to face him. After Tod quit, Human vs Human basically became a non-existent matchup in the pro scene. Like Moon however, he slumped near the end of WC3 where other humans such as TH000 and Infi overtook him. Today, he coaches the World Elite LoL/Dota team.4.Lyn is undoubtedly the second best Korean ever. He had played during the beginning of TFT, notably losing to Moon in a finals. Then he fell off the radar for a while(he might have briefly quit) before he came back with a vengeance. From 2007 onward, he was consistently one of the top players and probably better than Grubby overall except for a few short periods. He had exceptional micro and contributed the addition of spirit walkers to Orc vs Undead.5.Tod was definitively the second best European player, but always took a backseat to Grubby, especially when they were on 4K together. Tod is the face of European humans, adopting a more classical style of human compared to the more modern style of Chinese humans. Tod's biggest accomplishment is perhaps that he won the most prestigious WC3 tournament ever, WEG Masters . He trained in both Korean and China, but quit the game about a year before SC2 was released due to not enjoying it anymore.Infi was seen as Sky's younger sibling as they were on the same team and shared strategies. His most defining trait was his usage of towers, whether defensively or offensively. It was not uncommon for to see an Infi game with over 100 towers built. At the end of WC3, he surpassed Sky in skill.Remind had excellent micro and would have been one of the greats had he not been so terrible against Undead early in his career. Then one day, he suddenly figured the matchup out and started realized his potential. Ever since 2007, he had gradually been getting better and he peaked near the end of WC3 and was considered one of the best, if not the best, in the world when he won WCG 2010 over Grubby. He was also part of the best 2v2 team ever in WC3 with SoJu where he played his offrace, OrcCreolophus was a prodigy who shares many characteristics with Snute and Stephano. Like Snute, he is a charismatic Norwegian. Likewise, he shares even more with Stephano:However, after quitting the game for a few months, he qualified for WCG and after a few days of training, went on to win the whole thing, beating heavy favorite Sky in the finals in perhaps the biggest upset in WC3 history.Madfrog is difficult to place, because although he was one of the most successful players and a WC3 legend, he quit the game before WC3 competition really took off. He mostly famously popularized gargoyle harass in NE, a cornerstone of the matchup until late in WC3.WC3 was often regarded as a old boy's club as very few players could break into the scene. Lucifron was one of the only two players, along with Violet, who accomplished this. However, unfortunately many discredit him for abusing Orc, similar to how the SC2 scene calls WoL Zergs patchzergs.Aka SlayerS_Ven, Soccer was one of the best players near the end of WC3. He was especially known for his NE vs Human and his Warden usage in all matchups. Because he was on MYM and then WMF with Moon, he was often referred to as mini-Moon.Called the Nerubian King for his successful usage of crypt fiends. Almost beat Moon 2-3 in WEG2. He quit in 2007.Check has been around forever in the WC3 scene, and though he has always been relevant, he was always considered mediocre for a Korean late into his career. He's also known for his relatively low APM for a Korean. He switched to Orc for a brief period during early WC3.One of the better Korean players, Focus was consistently relevant starting from when he started playing in 2007, but never surpassed the Korean greats in tournaments. He won a lot of Zotac cups though. He tried SC2 for one GSL season but returned back to China to play WC3. He still plays WC3 to this day I believe.Like Lucifron, Violet is the other player who really broke into the scene late into the game and did quite well online. Because of his Korean heritage however, he very rarely got to go overseas because of the difficulty of qualifying for offline tournaments via Korean qualifiers.Happy is mainly known for two things:Besides that, he was the third best foreigner at the end of WC3, after only Grubby and Lucifron. He was also a bit BM and was on EG with Grubby.SaSe lived in China for a very long time to train and almost always reached the top 16 of tournaments. He was certainly capable of beating anyone, but has never won an international tournament.Once the second best Chinese player after Sky, xiaoT's results eventually fell off and he quit the game. His OvO was especially weak in a time when Orc was doing well. He promised to returned in SC2 and dominate, but he quickly gave up on that as well.Hands down, the best German player in WC3. He was restricted from competing in EPS tournaments early on because of his young age. Also known for being BM, something his teammate, miou, once famously complained about.A promising player who joined 4k right before it collapsed. After that, he seemed to disappear from the scene.A curious NE who never went to lans because he had a fear of traveling.Another great German player. He had some epic games versus Moon with mass gargoyles.Yet another great German who dominated EPS before Xlord was allowed to play.(Around this point, it gets a bit arbitrary. I'm still trying to list in relative skill though.)Started quite late and was getting good near the end of WC3Was consistently overshadowed by other Chinese players and was probably better than this ranking suggests.Known for using Farseer when everyone used Blademaster. Also known for being good at OvO and sometimes qualifying over Grubby in Dutch qualifiers.Known for being recruited onto EG so they could have a third player to play team leagues with.One of the better Russians near the end of WC3An underrated Undead player.Was way overshadowed by his brother. However, in interviews, Lucifron stated that Vortix had a better win ratio against him than any other Undead in the world.Known for getting into semifinals of online cupsA decent Undead.Honestly don't remember muchWas the brother of another WC3 player, Sein. Otherwise, don't remember much.: Probably the second best player from North America near the end of WC3, overshadowed only by Nilknarf.Known more for BM than skillI can't recall any major accomplishments, but he did go to LANs and went a bit far into cups.Known for being a part of the best 2v2 team with Delicato in early WC3.Mostly online playerOne of the better North Americans near the end of WC3A night elf. Possibly higher, I don't remember much.I just remember it being funny that he was on the same team as a player named tak3r.Known for his 2v2 team with Strifeco. They both massed huntresses and consistently beat all other top teams which consisted of top 1v1 players. Played random in WC3.see Axslav Outliers



Polt(?): Qualified for Korean MBC Prime League in 2005-2006, but never made it very deep at all. He was restricted by school and didn't play full-time.



Select(NE): Did well on Korean ladder but never made huge accomplishments and only played for a short period of time. Qualified for Korean MBC Prime League in 2005-2006, but never made it very deep at all. He was restricted by school and didn't play full-time.Did well on Korean ladder but never made huge accomplishments and only played for a short period of time.



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