@buildhare:

This doesn't instantly render his showings moot with regards to skill.

I never said it did. I even specifically said that Steve is obviously very skilled.

In the first Batroc clip all he did was block everything and counter (stats don't even come in here), in the second he did basically the same thing.

Well Steve does have enhanced speed as was shown during his laps around Falcon in the winter soldier. I would imagine his reflexes are similarly enhanced so I would disagree with the claim stats never played a role at all. His showing against batroc is OK but I don't see why Oliver or Malcolm couldn't defeat Batroc based on current showings.

He had a prolonged encounter with Loki and hung almost entirely due to skill. It's not like he was avoiding a dumb brawler, Loki is plenty skilled. And despite the stat advantage Steve persisted.

Loki was toying with Steve and it was apart of his plan to get captured by iron man.

Ultron as well. Steve fighting an Iron Man level opponent and not getting his face instantly kicked in is an extremely good showing of skill.

It is and I agree. All though comparing and contrasting that showing against Oliver is tricky because Steve did do some things in that fight because of his shield (blocking ultrons beams), and also because of his enhanced strength (tossing ultron into the pillar). Oliver probably couldn't do the same thing because he doesn't have a way of blocking Ultrons beams or tossing Ultron like that might be tricky with Oliver's human strength. Not to mention I think cap is more acrobatic than Oliver and Malcolm are so there is that.

I'm not just saying it because of that. His skill showings are exceptional (hanging with high tiers, stomping highly skilled street levelers without abusing his stats, fighting armed/stronger opponents to a standstill) and he demonstrates it in every fight (especially post TWS).

I addressed most of this above.

Suggesting the CW team is more skilled simply because they fight more established opponents is unreasonable given the screen time disparity between them and Cap.

That is just the way it is. Cap being limited in screen time doesn't change the facts that the skilled fighters in Olivers world are simply more fleshed out and documented than people like Rumlow and Batroc. Plus that is not the only reason I think Oliver and Malcolm are skilled. While cap's enhanced physicals definitely make him better than Oliver and Malcolm over all the fact is that not everything cap does is due to sheer skill, but the super soldier serum plays a role in why he does what he does. When Malcolm and Oliver do things like cut arrows out of the air or whatever its because they have conditioned and trained themselves to do these things.

Cap wins over all but the only category of skill I would say cap has malcolm and oliver beat in is balance and acrobatics. Other than that I would say Oliver and Malcolm are more skilled. There is a good chance civil war will change this.