Jason Rubin is best-known for being one half of the two man team that founded Sony-owned developer Naughty Dog. But today, he’s making waves by something that he said on GameTrailers’ show Bonus Round (via GameSpot ).

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When asked by host Geoff Keighley if Sony or Microsoft will win the new battle between PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, the topic of Nintendo came up. “[Sony and Microsoft] will do, for the next few years, extremely well, again because Nintendo has stumbled,” Rubin said. “Nintendo is irrelevant as a hardware manufacturer in the console business right now.”After some crosstalk, Rubin notes that Nintendo is “selling more Wiis than Wii Us,” but does have this to say: “And again, before the hate mail comes in, I will say to whichever camera is on right now, a worldwide treasure, Nintendo [is]. There is no developer… that will ever be [Nintendo visionary Shigeru] Miyamoto. It is a crime that we do not play those games on the systems that we have.”These quotes are interesting, considering Nintendo continues to put out high quality software on Wii U, most recently in the form of Super Mario 3D World, which is superb . However, Wii U is undeniably struggling to get a foothold, lagging far behind Nintendo’s historically soft GameCube sales in its first year on the market. PlayStation 4 managed to outsell Wii U’s life-to-date sales in the UK in only 48 hours . Then again, 3DS’ dominance is unrivaled, outselling PS Vita many times over.Rubin left Naughty Dog nearly a decade ago and was most recently known for being THQ’s last president before the company went bankrupt . But he made his name at Naughty Dog – which he co-founded with Andy Gavin in 1984 when they were 14 years old (as JAM Software) – which has since gone on to create Crash Bandicoot, Jak & Daxter, Uncharted, and The Last of Us. You can read more about the history of Naughty Dog here

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