Zenbrez Profile Joined June 2012 Canada 5957 Posts #2 I really liked the Ryung/Impact game, wouldn't mind if this was the next expansion tbh Refer to my post.

Beef Noodles Profile Blog Joined March 2010 United States 936 Posts #3 Yeah, I honestly like Starbow a lot more than HotS. I think Blizzard is going to keep SC2 pretty much as is, without any major changes, so I'm switching to Starbow

Xiphos Profile Blog Joined July 2009 Canada 7500 Posts Last Edited: 2014-01-12 03:15:20 #4 I wonder if you have a "ladder system" for custom maps such as this.



This map is making me regaining hope in next generation of RTS gaming. 2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ

iHirO Profile Blog Joined January 2011 United Kingdom 1380 Posts #5 It was interesting listening to decembercalm explaining all the reasoning behind each change that was made, I hope it's captured in the wiki. Graphics This is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?

Chaggi Profile Joined August 2010 Korea (South) 1934 Posts #6 On January 12 2014 12:21 iHirO wrote:

It was interesting listening to decembercalm explaining all the reasoning behind each change that was made, I hope it's captured in the wiki.



I really really liked that, a lot of the decisions that I didn't understand, it helped to make sense of everything. If decembercalm (or anyone associated with Starbow) could release a YouTube beginner video of stuff like that the mod's actually released, I think that'd be great. Really really loved how TvP looked I really really liked that, a lot of the decisions that I didn't understand, it helped to make sense of everything. If decembercalm (or anyone associated with Starbow) could release a YouTube beginner video of stuff like that the mod's actually released, I think that'd be great. Really really loved how TvP looked

coolman123123 Profile Joined August 2013 146 Posts #7 This is what SC2 should've been. Hopefully people support this mod because it's easily the best.

AstrOtoss Profile Joined June 2012 Australia 18 Posts #8 so much fun to watch and play

i played some games on the eu server last night while insanely drunk and it was great, much more interesting games than hots so far, lots more action ^^

bo1b Profile Blog Joined August 2012 Australia 12625 Posts Last Edited: 2014-01-12 03:37:07 #9 only thing I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rng



Zerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.



The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.



The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system. This is such a well made mod my god. Thething I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rngZerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system.

Chloroplaste Profile Joined February 2011 France 272 Posts #10 Just watched on AxCrank stream with december and Totalbiscuit streaming, with players like crank, impact, MMA and... it's was so amazing !



This mod is so refreshing to watch and the players really enjoyed it so much, you really see what part of BW was so sick compared to sc2, and got the beautiful graphics and some cool stuff from SC2.



Really looking forward tournaments on it.

decemberscalm Profile Blog Joined July 2009 United States 1352 Posts Last Edited: 2014-01-12 04:07:03 #11 On January 12 2014 12:33 bo1b wrote:

This is such a well made mod my god. The only thing I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rng



Zerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.



The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.



The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system. This is such a well made mod my god. Thething I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rngZerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system.

We looked into many different solutions for high ground advantage. %50 was kind of the default fall back on system. Nothing was really satisfactory that we could come up with, if anyone has any brilliant solutions the Starbow thread is always receptive to feedback like this.

Simply put though, %50 gets the job done.



I find this refreshing. I watch a lot of new guys vs guys play. They feel like its more fair when they get steam rolled. Even the reaver which will just blow up an entire mineral line feels okay.





Thanks to all who have given this mod attention, glad you've enjoyed it. We looked into many different solutions for high ground advantage. %50 was kind of the default fall back on system. Nothing was really satisfactory that we could come up with, if anyone has any brilliant solutions the Starbow thread is always receptive to feedback like this.Simply put though, %50 gets the job done.I find this refreshing. I watch a lot of new guys vs guys play. They feel like its more fair when they get steam rolled. Even the reaver which will just blow up an entire mineral line feels okay.Thanks to all who have given this mod attention, glad you've enjoyed it.

bo1b Profile Blog Joined August 2012 Australia 12625 Posts Last Edited: 2014-01-12 04:17:24 #12 On January 12 2014 13:06 decemberscalm wrote:

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On January 12 2014 12:33 bo1b wrote:

This is such a well made mod my god. The only thing I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rng



Zerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.



The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.



The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system. This is such a well made mod my god. Thething I don't like in it is the miss % when firing up hill, not because I don't like a proper defenders advantage, but because I've grown to hate rngZerg and Protoss no longer have games which feel disgusting, there is currently no infestor broodlord deathbally shit, and in the few games I've played I haven't run into anything like the soul train.The game just feels fun overall though, which is something sc2 never really managed to achieve.The only thing stopping me from playing this over hots completely is the lack of ranking/laddering system.

We looked into many different solutions for high ground advantage. %50 was kind of the default fall back on system. Nothing was really satisfactory that we could come up with, if anyone has any brilliant solutions the Starbow thread is always receptive to feedback like this.

Simply put though, %50 gets the job done.



I find this refreshing. I watch a lot of new guys vs guys play. They feel like its more fair when they get steam rolled. Even the reaver which will just blow up an entire mineral line feels okay.





Thanks to all who have given this mod attention, glad you've enjoyed it. We looked into many different solutions for high ground advantage. %50 was kind of the default fall back on system. Nothing was really satisfactory that we could come up with, if anyone has any brilliant solutions the Starbow thread is always receptive to feedback like this.Simply put though, %50 gets the job done.I find this refreshing. I watch a lot of new guys vs guys play. They feel like its more fair when they get steam rolled. Even the reaver which will just blow up an entire mineral line feels okay.Thanks to all who have given this mod attention, glad you've enjoyed it.

Like I said, the only problem I have with it is rng. It could just be a necessary evil, and really, it can add tension.



In any event it wasn't a criticism and you guys have done such a fantastic job



Regarding reavers blowing up worker lines, it could just be a honey moon phase I'm going through, but the skill required to pull it off is much more refreshing, and I don't get the feeling that if I dropped 2 turrets in each base they could still regularly pull it off each game like hellbats.



It just feels better lol , and if you were going for that then you certainly achieved it, and if not, then its a fantastic side effect Like I said, the only problem I have with it is rng. It could just be a necessary evil, and really, it can add tension.In any event it wasn't a criticism and you guys have done such a fantastic jobRegarding reavers blowing up worker lines, it could just be a honey moon phase I'm going through, but the skill required to pull it off is much more refreshing, and I don't get the feeling that if I dropped 2 turrets in each base they could still regularly pull it off each game like hellbats.It just feels better lol, and if you were going for that then you certainly achieved it, and if not, then its a fantastic side effect

decemberscalm Profile Blog Joined July 2009 United States 1352 Posts #13 @bo1b

I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.



That is indeed the goal!!!



We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.



Hope to see you on b.net some time.

elmerpogs Profile Joined August 2011 Philippines 438 Posts #14 Whats the difference between Starbow and Starcraft 2 Broodwar? SKT [img]http://i.imgur.com/1NuGXvx.png[/img] is still the best [img]http://i.imgur.com/MsxcOXX.png[/img]

The_Red_Viper Profile Blog Joined August 2013 18783 Posts #15 On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote:

@bo1b

I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.



That is indeed the goal!!!



We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.



Hope to see you on b.net some time.

Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?) Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?) BLΛƆKPIИK in your area | IU | SoHyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |

decemberscalm Profile Blog Joined July 2009 United States 1352 Posts Last Edited: 2014-01-12 04:30:31 #16 On January 12 2014 13:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:

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On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote:

@bo1b

I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.



That is indeed the goal!!!



We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.



Hope to see you on b.net some time.

Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?) Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?)

It breaks the armor system. Units that fire more often are punished more than units with slower punchier attacks.



Upgrades scale better on cliffs combat which is even odder.



I don't think I've ever played a game of SB so far and thought MAN I really got screwed by RNG there.



Every time you attack up a cliff you know the risk. Its a calculated risk at that point.



It would still be cool to have a nice non-rng solution of course. It breaks the armor system. Units that fire more often are punished more than units with slower punchier attacks.Upgrades scale better on cliffs combat which is even odder.I don't think I've ever played a game of SB so far and thought MAN I really got screwed by RNG there.Every time you attack up a cliff you know the risk. Its a calculated risk at that point.It would still be cool to have a nice non-rng solution of course.

decemberscalm Profile Blog Joined July 2009 United States 1352 Posts #17 On January 12 2014 13:27 elmerpogs wrote:

Whats the difference between Starbow and Starcraft 2 Broodwar?

SC2BW is a direct clone of BW.



Starbow takes BW fundamentals, the best of their units.



We design to work with the sc2 engine. Rework units from sc2 if we can make them really fun and work with the game. We've even created the sentinel which is an entirely new unit on the Stargate. A lot of BW stuff is tweaked to work well with the sc2 engine. Fundamental changes like idle auto spread for units and a bigger formation size. SC2BW is a direct clone of BW.Starbow takes BW fundamentals, the best of their units.We design to work with the sc2 engine. Rework units from sc2 if we can make them really fun and work with the game. We've even created the sentinel which is an entirely new unit on the Stargate. A lot of BW stuff is tweaked to work well with the sc2 engine. Fundamental changes like idle auto spread for units and a bigger formation size.

bo1b Profile Blog Joined August 2012 Australia 12625 Posts #18 On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote:

@bo1b

I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.



That is indeed the goal!!!



We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.



Hope to see you on b.net some time.

You definitely will Just got to figure out if na lags more or less then eu for me now You definitely willJust got to figure out if na lags more or less then eu for me now

The_Red_Viper Profile Blog Joined August 2013 18783 Posts #19 On January 12 2014 13:30 decemberscalm wrote:

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On January 12 2014 13:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:

On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote:

@bo1b

I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.



That is indeed the goal!!!



We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.



Hope to see you on b.net some time.

Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?) Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?)

It breaks the armor system. Units that fire more often are punished more than units with slower punchier attacks.



Upgrades scale better on cliffs combat which is even odder.



I don't think I've ever played a game of SB so far and thought MAN I really got screwed by RNG there.



Every time you attack up a cliff you know the risk. Its a calculated risk at that point.



It would still be cool to have a nice non-rng solution of course. It breaks the armor system. Units that fire more often are punished more than units with slower punchier attacks.Upgrades scale better on cliffs combat which is even odder.I don't think I've ever played a game of SB so far and thought MAN I really got screwed by RNG there.Every time you attack up a cliff you know the risk. Its a calculated risk at that point.It would still be cool to have a nice non-rng solution of course.



I actually like the miss chance, was just curious and yeah that makes sense^^

Well you did a great job so far, the crank stream was probably the most exciting "sc2 stream" i have seen in the last few weeks. I actually like the miss chance, was just curious and yeah that makes sense^^Well you did a great job so far, the crank stream was probably the most exciting "sc2 stream" i have seen in the last few weeks. BLΛƆKPIИK in your area | IU | SoHyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |

FLuE Profile Joined September 2010 United States 1012 Posts #20 Blizzard should just hire you guys. They could prob pay you less and make more than whatever is currently going on there.



Really great work.

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