icystorage Profile Joined November 2008 Jollibee 11316 Posts #2 my 2c, I really like how professional Mineski dealt with this and never went out of their scope. Staff Are you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!

-Celestial- Profile Joined September 2011 United Kingdom 1181 Posts #3 Mineski handled it very well. But such a disappointment to see people doing this and compromising the scene and their own career for a handful of cash. :-\ "Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc

Ringall Profile Joined August 2010 Finland 28 Posts #4 I guess I am happy to see this being dealt with and addressed, but I am still sad it happened. Which one to pick... Snute fanclub <3 (fan #106 :3 ) | "Bitches know me, I'm Jos 'LiquidRet' de Kroon. I drink, smoke and don't exercize." - Ret | http://bit.ly/GX57En

Chewbacca. Profile Joined January 2011 United States 1523 Posts #5 Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue.. ♥ Jaedong, but to hell with the sheep. 5.6k Solo Queue Support

Liquid`Nazgul Profile Joined September 2002 258 Posts #6 On November 04 2014 02:41 Ringall wrote:

I guess I am happy to see this being dealt with and addressed, but I am still sad it happened. Which one to pick...

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DucK- Profile Joined January 2009 Singapore 9489 Posts #7 Agree with the verdict, no need for lifetime bans for the players.



Should state that this is a last warning, and subsequent offences would warrant a lifetime ban.

l3loodraven Profile Joined July 2013 2658 Posts #8 I would hesitate to call anyone involved with this situation a "mastermind". "fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"

MotherOfRunes Profile Joined December 2010 Germany 1289 Posts #9 free savi0r!!!! oh wait a minute....

i can live with 1 year if they really regret it. young progamers are stupid and dont know much of life so a lifetime ban would be too hard. "Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad

Andre Profile Joined August 2009 Slovenia 1441 Posts #10 Is JVN the sick puck player of Mineski? Or was that Jay I always mix Jhoven/Jay z_z You must gather your party before venturing forth.

EnumaAvalon Profile Joined February 2012 Philippines 1610 Posts #11 I guess I have that inherent hate for Mineski so I kinda with it was a lifetime ban. Giving it more thought, I do think this is the proper verdict tho. (._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts #12 On November 04 2014 02:42 Chewbacca. wrote:

Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue..

It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

CodeskyE Profile Joined January 2011 United States 110 Posts #13 On November 04 2014 06:47 Andre wrote:

Is JVN the sick puck player of Mineski? Or was that Jay I always mix Jhoven/Jay z_z





that was jay. he was with IAP/execration at starladder lan finals that was jay. he was with IAP/execration at starladder lan finals

Chewbacca. Profile Joined January 2011 United States 1523 Posts #14 On November 04 2014 07:50 FHDH wrote:

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On November 04 2014 02:42 Chewbacca. wrote:

Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue..

It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive.



I guess I just think that at 16 they should have just as strong of a grasp on the fact that it's a serious issue as all of the early 20 year olds playing, and if they understand just as much then they should be punished just as much. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable letting any of them play in a tournament if I was a tournament organizer. I guess I just think that at 16 they should have just as strong of a grasp on the fact that it's a serious issue as all of the early 20 year olds playing, and if they understand just as much then they should be punished just as much. I personally wouldn't feel comfortable letting any of them play in a tournament if I was a tournament organizer. ♥ Jaedong, but to hell with the sheep. 5.6k Solo Queue Support

DE3me Profile Joined May 2013 Germany 230 Posts #15 On November 04 2014 07:50 FHDH wrote:

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On November 04 2014 02:42 Chewbacca. wrote:

Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue..

It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive.

Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?



I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years? Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years? "I have the mind of a drunk person sometimes ..." HotBid

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts #16 On November 04 2014 09:30 DE3me wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 04 2014 07:50 FHDH wrote:

On November 04 2014 02:42 Chewbacca. wrote:

Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue..

It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive.

Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?



I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years? Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years?

One year is pretty damned long in the life of a teenage aspiring pro gamer. 3-5 years is basically saying sorry kid your career is over.



As far as solo goes, he's where now? On a first-rate team? Everyone knows he's an excellent player, so, since 322 meant nothing he's on a great team right?



I don't know, maybe you guys were perfect kids and so the concept of making mistakes you know are mistakes as a teenager is foreign to you but I just don't agree with dropping the hammer on such people. I don't think this should go unpunished but thinking a year is short is just...it's not. Not for a kid. One year is pretty damned long in the life of a teenage aspiring pro gamer. 3-5 years is basically saying sorry kid your career is over.As far as solo goes, he's where now? On a first-rate team? Everyone knows he's an excellent player, so, since 322 meant nothing he's on a great team right?I don't know, maybe you guys were perfect kids and so the concept of making mistakes you know are mistakes as a teenager is foreign to you but I just don't agree with dropping the hammer on such people. I don't think this should go unpunished but thinking a year is short is just...it's not. Not for a kid. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

SilverSkyLark Profile Joined April 2008 Philippines 855 Posts #17 (ala Savior or Justin in BW)



Man you really had to put that there. Those were pretty dark times.



Though I wonder how their careers will proceed after this. Having a bad record in our country really goes a long way for all the wrong reasons. People wouldn't simply trust you right away again.



And oh, great acronym on this:

Man you really had to put that there.Those were pretty dark times.Though I wonder how their careers will proceed after this. Having a bad record in our country really goes a long way for all the wrong reasons. People wouldn't simply trust you right away again.And oh, great acronym on this: Philippine eSports Organization (PeSO)

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Promethelax Profile Joined February 2012 Canada 280 Posts #18 On November 04 2014 09:40 FHDH wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 04 2014 09:30 DE3me wrote:

On November 04 2014 07:50 FHDH wrote:

On November 04 2014 02:42 Chewbacca. wrote:

Should if been a lifetime for all involved in my opinion. Citing that someone is only 16 is just silly, I have a hard time buying that a 16 year old wouldn't realize that match fixing is a serious issue..

It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive. It's not that teenagers don't know right/wrong it is the idea of how long do you want to punish a kid for a mistake they made? This is already a huge stain on the player's reputations, a lifetime ban is probably excessive.

Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?



I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years? Huge stain? Like the stain on Solos career who nobody cares about (neither teams or tournaments give a fuck about it)?I can understand that a lifetime ban would be too hard, especially for some of the very young players, but one year is basically nothing. What about 3-5 years?

One year is pretty damned long in the life of a teenage aspiring pro gamer. 3-5 years is basically saying sorry kid your career is over.



As far as solo goes, he's where now? On a first-rate team? Everyone knows he's an excellent player, so, since 322 meant nothing he's on a great team right?



I don't know, maybe you guys were perfect kids and so the concept of making mistakes you know are mistakes as a teenager is foreign to you but I just don't agree with dropping the hammer on such people. I don't think this should go unpunished but thinking a year is short is just...it's not. Not for a kid. One year is pretty damned long in the life of a teenage aspiring pro gamer. 3-5 years is basically saying sorry kid your career is over.As far as solo goes, he's where now? On a first-rate team? Everyone knows he's an excellent player, so, since 322 meant nothing he's on a great team right?I don't know, maybe you guys were perfect kids and so the concept of making mistakes you know are mistakes as a teenager is foreign to you but I just don't agree with dropping the hammer on such people. I don't think this should go unpunished but thinking a year is short is just...it's not. Not for a kid.



Solo really wasn't punished at all. He went from being on Rox to being on Empire; a clear improvement in tier.



A year is a reasonable amount of punishment for these guys. I wish it extended to Solo as well despite how much I enjoy watching his play.

Solo really wasn't punished at all. He went from being on Rox to being on Empire; a clear improvement in tier.A year is a reasonable amount of punishment for these guys. I wish it extended to Solo as well despite how much I enjoy watching his play. TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.

FHDH Profile Joined July 2014 United States 7023 Posts Last Edited: 2014-11-04 01:00:13 #19 Solo really wasn't punished at all. He went from being on Rox to being on Empire; a clear improvement in tier.

Well...it's an interesting but totally (at present) speculative debate to have. But if he is capped out at Empire-tier (in their present state) that doesn't say much for his career. I think he is capable of playing on T1 teams. But anyway. He is permanently associated with match-fixing in Dota2, how much he has suffered or will suffer as an individual is debatable.



I for one never forgave Michael Vick. Well...it's an interesting but totally (at present) speculative debate to have. But if he is capped out at Empire-tier (in their present state) that doesn't say much for his career. I think he is capable of playing on T1 teams. But anyway. He is permanently associated with match-fixing in Dota2, how much he has suffered or will suffer as an individual is debatable.I for one never forgave Michael Vick. После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)

Promethelax Profile Joined February 2012 Canada 280 Posts #20 On November 04 2014 09:59 FHDH wrote:

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Solo really wasn't punished at all. He went from being on Rox to being on Empire; a clear improvement in tier.

Well...it's an interesting but totally (at present) speculative debate to have. But if he is capped out at Empire-tier (in their present state) that doesn't say much for his career. I think he is capable of playing on T1 teams. But anyway. He is permanently associated with match-fixing in Dota2, how much he has suffered or will suffer as an individual is debatable.



I for one never forgave Michael Vick. Well...it's an interesting but totally (at present) speculative debate to have. But if he is capped out at Empire-tier (in their present state) that doesn't say much for his career. I think he is capable of playing on T1 teams. But anyway. He is permanently associated with match-fixing in Dota2, how much he has suffered or will suffer as an individual is debatable.I for one never forgave Michael Vick.





I doubt any CIS teams care about his match fixing. Other western teams might but I would not be shocked to see him on Na'vi, VP or any other top CIS team. I doubt any CIS teams care about his match fixing. Other western teams might but I would not be shocked to see him on Na'vi, VP or any other top CIS team. TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.

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