April 8, 2016

(12:55:43 AM) the_mittani: i'm going to force ccp to make a public statement

(12:55:48 AM) the_mittani: so don't release that c&p anywhere

(12:56:33 AM) the_mittani: ned claimed he'd talked to andie and others re: the fuckup, and i bet the guy is lying so i helpfully cc'd andie and his boss and replied and noted that a public acknowledgment of both the avatar 'bee' background fuckup as well as a climbdown on 'world war bee' was needed

(12:56:45 AM) the_mittani: flak cannons motherfuckers

(12:56:49 AM) namamai: nymblar: would-be terrorists love the idea of explosives based on organic peroxides. most sensors in airports/etc. for explosives are tailored to detecting nitrogen compounds.

(12:56:52 AM) the_mittani: this is how you wage propaganda war

(12:57:10 AM) namamai: but nearly all peroxide explosives are either A) not very powerful, or B) stupidly, furiously unstable

(12:57:16 AM) rdevz: That's both evil and quite effective.

(12:57:22 AM) nymblar: the_mittani: my loins grow turgid by this

(12:57:35 AM) the_mittani: war is fun because it reminds everyone who the fuck we are

(12:57:43 AM) rdevz: And part of the reason I only ever write "I've talked to $boss" when I have, in fact, talked to $boss.

(12:57:52 AM) the_mittani: i've been getting sick of people questioning the basics of psychological warfare or propaganda war

(12:57:54 AM) querns: we probably buy ourselves another month of shitlers for this but hey worth it

(12:58:03 AM) querns: maybe not, we'll see

(1:12:46 AM) querns:http://pastebin.com/scKpkm6j lol whoops

(1:12:57 AM) dabigredboat: jesus fuck

(1:12:59 AM) dabigredboat: I have to leave

(1:13:04 AM) dabigredboat: and this fuck wants to wait because we form

(1:13:07 AM) jay_amazingness: querns pls

(1:13:19 AM) jay_amazingness: our leaks

(1:13:20 AM) querns: that isn't DDc :milk:

(1:13:21 AM) querns: oh

(1:13:27 AM) the_mittani: yeah i saw that earlier, before it hit reddit, due to our pastebin scrapers

(1:13:32 AM) jay_amazingness [jay_amazingness@goonfleet.com/d46f65ce] entered the room.

(1:13:38 AM) the_mittani: that's why i took tib aside and told him about the megaalliance strategy on mumble earlier

(1:13:54 AM) the_mittani: because it's true none of our shit makes sense unless you realize we literally dgaf about fcon

(1:49:21 AM) the_mittani: arrendis: apparently you make blawrf upset, new transparency logs https://goonfleet.com/index.php/topic/202299-transparency/#entry7619706

(1:49:43 AM) namamai: ... what

(1:50:00 AM) namamai: of all the people he could complain about arrendis to

(1:50:08 AM) namamai: he complains to tarrante?

(1:50:28 AM) namamai: the person who pretty much is responsible for inflicting arrendis upon us?

(1:50:31 AM) sion_kumitomo: blawrf made a post on tmc, arrendis I think replied, blawrf rage deleted his own post

(1:50:41 AM) dod_kalm: !lookup Titus Maul

(1:50:43 AM) sion_kumitomo: but yeah also what namamai said

(1:50:44 AM) querns: searching for that comment is

(1:51:14 AM) sion_kumitomo: maybe he doesn't know they're pals, or maybe he's trying to sow chaos, I dunno

(1:51:38 AM) namamai: probably the former

(1:52:06 AM) namamai: you know what the difference between blawrf and endie is? endie's actually good at sowing chaos

(1:52:34 AM) namamai: well, that, and endie actually has functioning serotonin receptors

(1:52:35 AM) dod_kalm: I don't know what the fuck is going on with blawf, because those co2 logs didn't even paint him in a bad light so idk why he freaked the fuck out over it

(1:52:36 AM) sion_kumitomo: endie is perhaps the best divider I've ever seen. he's a master at setting people against each other

(2:02:03 AM) arrendis: namamai: I promise, I'm as responsible for inflicting tarrante upon you as vice versa. I've been keeping him from sticking knives in his own back for years.

(2:04:18 AM) arrendis:

and no, Blawrf knows damned well that Mike and I are friends. Mike's the one who recommended me for Recon. I think Blawrf might really have been pissed off about me dismantling the whole 'All this shit that went bad in the last year was Sion' nonsense and all I did was point out 'dude, that was Java'. For that matter, Blawrf wasn't here for that... so he might be buying Endie's spin.

(2:04:58 AM) the_mittani: blawrf is a true believer with endie as he's in bat and you can see him melting down on me about how DARE i call endie a liar before he threatens to expose my personal life

(2:04:59 AM) the_mittani: heh

(2:05:09 AM) the_mittani: dividers abhor transparency, thus that thread~

(2:11:45 AM) mirana_balari: after they took my chat with steve dalton and twisted the fuck out of it I kinda lost any pity or mercy I had left in my already non-existent heart

(2:12:00 AM) the_mittani: fitting question

(2:12:09 AM) the_mittani: everyone else in eve seems to be owning with confessors and not jackdaws

(2:12:22 AM) meltmind2: mirana_balari: what chart?

(2:12:36 AM) the_mittani: arrendis: namamai is this because we use jackdaws for a different purpose, or ?

(2:12:45 AM) mirana_balari: the whole "mirana called endie mentally ill" bullshit, meltmind2

(2:13:00 AM) meltmind2: oh ok

(2:13:05 AM) meltmind2: never saw it hence the question

(2:13:15 AM) the_mittani: well i think i said "he's either delusional or a traitor"

(2:13:20 AM) the_mittani: we know how that turned out

(2:13:30 AM) the_mittani: they like to glide past the pesky 'or a traitor" bit

(2:13:33 AM) namamai: the_mittani: yep, different purpose

(2:14:11 AM) the_mittani: what's funny is that they mostly attack sion or mirana and not me, because i suspect they genuinely think they can 'good king, bad vizier' it and get me to make them #2 and rule the alliance by somehow manipulating me

(3:05:01 AM) querns: tiberizzle: (2:04:19 PM) steamcaptain_stormwolf@goonfleet.com/Gajim: Hi, I saw your ping about the things we can do for help, Im from LAWN but our Blackops team isnt doing nothing so I ask you if I could join yours. I have BS bridge, covertcyno pilots and all the stuff. Hope i can help. Thanks.

(3:08:08 AM) the_mittani: dumbs gonna dumb

(3:08:28 AM) the_mittani: we can't flip out over allies, particularly the ones we expect to implode and merge into other imperium alliances, fucking up

(3:10:18 AM) the_mittani: what competent humans does sma have left

(3:10:20 AM) the_mittani: heh

(3:27:03 AM) the_mittani: powers leaks shit unintentionally to lucia all the time

(3:27:03 AM) tiberizzle: dekswat

(3:27:05 AM) jay_amazingness: dekswat

(3:27:08 AM) Laz: ah

(3:27:10 AM) the_mittani: him being in there and talking about real shit is unwise as hell

(3:27:21 AM) querns: that's that lucia dennaird person right

(3:27:26 AM) querns: or w/e

(3:27:31 AM) the_mittani: powers has had a huge e-crush on lucia for years

(3:27:32 AM) kmanlaptop: dammit zungen wtf was he thinking?

(3:27:40 AM) the_mittani: and he will run his mouth in hopes of luring her heart

(3:28:03 AM) querns: she started leaking "intel" to me on slack a few times

(3:28:06 AM) querns: a while back

(3:28:25 AM) MostlyLaptop: Did I miss the discussion regarding shit in the actual log in here instead of the entire leak about it?

(3:29:12 AM) querns: however i dealt with it by at first humoring her and acting dumb then by not responding at all

(3:29:13 AM) querns: :toot:

(3:37:04 AM) MostlyLaptop: I really don't see the upside when we can just continue the low sec dream so to speak and hold sov whenever convinient.

(3:37:12 AM) the_mittani: basically MostlyLaptop we have a bunch of allies who would be better off widoting and accepting our guidance

(3:37:29 AM) the_mittani: which they will not otherwise unless they see the Light (tm)

(3:37:38 AM) the_mittani: i don't think razor or fcon will

(3:37:51 AM) the_mittani: i think tnt will and sma either will do so or implode and i don't really care

(3:37:56 AM) dabigredboat: are we seriously thinking about wi.doting all our allies?

(3:37:57 AM) the_mittani: init lawn and exe are strong

(3:37:58 AM) dabigredboat: because if so :(

(3:38:04 AM) dabigredboat: so is fcon

(3:38:08 AM) dabigredboat: when they have leaders running it

(3:38:09 AM) Laz: consume them alllllllllllll

(3:38:10 AM) the_mittani: heh

(3:38:11 AM) Laz: except init

(3:38:14 AM) the_mittani: "when they have leaders"

(3:38:29 AM) the_mittani: it's not just widotting it's merging internally, all these guys don't need to be in gsf

(3:38:35 AM) rdevz: dabigredboat: The logical conclusion of fozziesov is that it sucks being the defender when you're a bunch of alliances, because you need to find people from the appropriate alliance to spread the love of Jesus over nodes to defend.

(3:38:37 AM) the_mittani: but lawn would be better if bastion merged into lawn under thoric

(3:38:50 AM) MostlyLaptop: So on one side we're like "Merge into GSF so we can murder everything under the GSF banner" and on the other side we're like "Nah, you're cool with your own culture but we won't be able to help you"

(3:38:53 AM) the_mittani: tnt has been thinking about widotting forever

(3:39:30 AM) aryth: imgtimeline niggers

Note: Aryth is one of Goons choices for CSM rep, which given CCP's disliking of racists is a bit problematic.

(3:39:30 AM) the_mittani: however they have to see the light themselves

(3:39:53 AM) the_mittani: if we tell them to widot they will hate us, while if they see for themselves how much fozziesov sucks they will come to the conclusion on their own

(3:40:10 AM) MostlyLaptop: Like at this point we have given them no carrot to think otherwise

(3:40:12 AM) querns: yeah keeping the relationship with init loose is good

(3:40:21 AM) the_mittani: MostlyLaptop: how about you let me handle the politics and have some faith

(3:40:36 AM) the_mittani: i made ned coker bend the fucking knee today

(3:40:40 AM) the_mittani: if you missed that memo

(3:40:42 AM) jay_amazingness: kinky

(3:40:44 AM) nymblar: ~bend the knee~

(3:40:44 AM) aryth: did he ever apologize

(3:40:44 AM) MostlyLaptop: No clue who that is

(3:40:47 AM) nymblar: ~twist the knife~

(3:40:48 AM) the_mittani: and everyone was all 'oh how dare you go after r/eve'

(3:40:51 AM) namamai: MostlyLaptop: ccp manifest

(3:40:51 AM) querns: ned coker is ccp manifest

(3:41:22 AM) the_mittani: Greetings.

Wondering if you are each ok with me passing along your email contact information to a reporter at the International Business Times. They are interested in writing an article about the war and was hoping I could help provide some interviewees. I am not sure if it will be a written or spoken interview or how expansive the article will be.

I am passing along contact info for Laz, Killah Bee, Elise Randolph, and Vince Draken as well. Possibly Vily, but he has not gotten back to me.

If you guys can send me contact info for anyone else in the Imperium you think would be great, like DBRB or Asher, I would appreciate it and I will approach them.

As with the Vile Rat requests I would leave that decision up to you though, as always.

Just let me know.

Alex, you made an excellent point about the avatar backgrounds. Their inclusion in the game was ninja’d into development (a surprise to me until they went up on the Updates page) and collectively we didn’t give the proper scrutiny on the Alliance vs Coalition angle. I talked to Seagull and a few others (including the art team) following the GSF, and I believe they are working on a new one inspired by the Imperium logo at some point in the near future.

Ned

(3:41:24 AM) dabigredboat: none of them messaged me so fuck them

(3:41:39 AM) mirana_balari: dabigredboat: you got mentioned

(3:41:42 AM) the_mittani: my response was simple, we'll see what they say - this is all nonpublic obviously

(3:42:15 AM) the_mittani: We understand that CCP hopes to market this war to improve Eve Online as a whole. We remind you that members of the Imperium are paying customers, many of whom are not members of Goonswarm Federation, and CCP ignoring their struggles and identity as members of non-Goonswarm Imperium alliances has been seen as a slap in the face by the company itself.

We appreciate your acknowledgment of error on the Bee-focused avatar backgrounds. Your acknowledgement thus far has only been in this private email. We think it would be wise for you to make a public statement that our members can see, as this is an issue impacting the entire Imperium, rather than something involving myself as an individual.

Likewise, our members remain offended that CCP's marketing has branded a war which has gone for four months and only recently involved Goonswarm's space directly as "World War Bee"; the issue is identical with the error in the avatar backgrounds.

When will we see a public statement from CCP acknowledging these two errors, consistent with the private acknowledgment you have now made regarding the Bee-focused avatar backgrounds? To our people - your customers - this is a critical issue which I am repeatedly asked to make statements about our position on.

(3:42:43 AM) the_mittani: it's almost as if flak works and herman and chomsky laid out how to run a media war in manufacturing consent and it's also almost as if /we do this every war/

(3:42:50 AM) clewara: :munch:

(3:42:54 AM) the_mittani: so i'm a bit tired of explaining the basics of media shit like attack attack attack

(3:43:12 AM) namamai: they're fucked

(3:43:40 AM) the_mittani: so ccp will have to make a public climbdown from world war bee and the avatar background thing

(3:44:05 AM) kmanlaptop: avatar background? i must have missed that one

(3:44:07 AM) the_mittani: or if they don't we'll go public with the half-apology to inform our people

(3:44:21 AM) the_mittani: they made a 'world war bee' background ingame for 'world war bee' with bees on it. for the imperium.

(3:44:29 AM) the_mittani: since you know the imperium all loves bees and loves goonswarm

(3:44:38 AM) dabigredboat: the_mittani: now to get them to disown reddit

(3:44:41 AM) the_mittani: so when idiot apoligizes for the first thing

(3:44:46 AM) the_mittani: we hit him for the second thing, the name

(3:45:19 AM) the_mittani: just to make sure there's no question of ned's apology to us i helpfully cc'd his boss and seagull

(3:45:23 AM) the_mittani: because i'm a fukken helper

(3:45:32 AM) the_mittani: and the internation business times is eager to print whatever i tell them

(3:46:40 AM) dabigredboat: the_mittani: no joke, if ccp want to put me in front of the limelight ill talk about all these non fights happening, like I am doing on my stream each day

(3:47:05 AM) the_mittani: dabigredboat: just keep saying it on your stream + i'll give them your contact info later once i extract a public apology