A thorough discussion with Alec Yenikomshian on the negotiations between the Sassan Dzrer group - Jirayr Sefilian - the authorities - the National Security Service, on the civic consolidation movement on Khorenatsi St, on his arrest on July 27, charges he will be facing, and realities Armenia has to deal with following what Yenikomshian considers the complete loss of legitimacy of Armenian statesmen.