T-Mobile's Officially A Large Thorn In AT&T, Verizon's Sides AT&T and Verizon have recently been quietly admitting to investors that they're finally starting to feel the pinch from T-Mobile's consumer-friendly competitive efforts (which is why AT&T wanted to buy the company in the first place). Speaking this week at the 2015 Citi Internet, Media & Telecommunications Conference in Las Vegas, T-Mobile CMO Mike Sievert noted the company added 2.1 million total net wireless customers in the fourth quarter -- most of them coming from AT&T and Verizon. "We are taking share away from our competitors," noted Sievert. "They are complaining about irrational pricing and saying things will get back to normal. There will be no more normal. This is the new normal." The focus for T-Mobile now is of course expansion of the company's network. According to T-Mobile, the company plans to expand LTE coverage from 264 million POPs at year-end 2014 to 300 million POPs at year-end 2015. The company says they're also working hard to deploy their "Wideband" 15 x 15 MHz upgrades, which are now providing significantly faster speeds in 27 T-Mobile markets. Meanwhile, T-Mobile and smart ass CEO John Legere will continue to poke fun at carriers by first giving consumers what they want (gasp), then making fun of them when they try to launch comparable offers that fall short (like we saw this week with Meanwhile, T-Mobile and smart ass CEO John Legere will continue to poke fun at carriers by first giving consumers what they want (gasp), then making fun of them when they try to launch comparable offers that fall short (like we saw this week with AT&T's rollover minutes ).







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Cadillac, MI aeblank Member If only I wish they were in my area (northern MI).

No DSL, no cable, and Mispot (fixed wireless) went out of business. xthepeoplesx

join:2013-10-21 xthepeoplesx Member Re: If only My brother lives in the U.P. and he has 50mbps internet... On the other hand the only wireless is Verizon. I laugh at him because im just outside of columbus (dense area) and I cant get cable but on the other hand he is in what I call Antarctica and can get 50mbps. But I can pay 100$ for 4 lines on T-Mobile while he has to pay over 300$ for verizon. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: If only He can get prepaid Verizon MVNO and save a bundle. There is no reason he has to go postpaid and pay that amount which amounts to a car payment. BiggA

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Central CT BiggA to xthepeoplesx

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The one spot in MI that AT&T doesn't work?

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I wish they were up here too. I hate att and verizon.



They bought a bunch of 700 mhz up here but who knows if they will actually build it out.



Cadillac has pretty good Sprint coverage though. andrew110

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I think Agri-Valley (owners of MiSpot) sold their 700MHz lower b and c blocks, to AT&T I presume. Hopefully they sold all of that spectrum they owned throughout the state.



MiSpot used that spectrum hence the shut down. BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: If only Apparently there were other issues than just the sale value of the spectrum, as they could have gone to unlicensed like most WiSPs... aeblank

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From what I've been lead to believe, it was money. I've heard the network layout/topology was very expensive, and needed way more subscribers than they could get.



I'm completely bummed. I loved 'em.

I put an AT&T SIM in the hardware I now have, and it works, but I wish MiSpot would come back! andrew110

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MI andrew110 Member Re: If only Do you know if the spectrum was in fact sold to AT&T? decifal

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Bon Aqua, TN decifal Member ahh Ah dem poor babies, they can't just simply drop bags of money to the politicians on this one...

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Glen Head, NY n2jtx Member Hope To Join Up I hope to be switching to T-Mobile sometime in the first quarter from Sprint. I want to upgrade from my permanently locked Sprint iPhone 4S and would prefer an iPhone 6S (when/if that becomes available - I am intrigued that the A9 chip is now in production).

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Tulsa, OK Majestik Premium Member Re: Hope To Join Up Not surprised about this article.

When I switched to tmobile last month I can tell they were overwhelmed with new customers and from the process I was personally going through they weren't quite prepared. I think there was a vacuum at AT&T.

Even though it was a bit of rough beginning I'm happy with the service.



At Least they weren't rude to me like AT&T when I called to ask for my code to port my number.. It took me two days to get this info when all it should have taken was a minute. I've also learned that I should have gotten my iPhone unlocked by AT&T before I started this. I eventually got it unlocked from another source.

I'm not angry.....but I don't forget. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY 2 recommendations elefante72 Member Re: Hope To Join Up AT&T "Rollover" Plan is almost insidious and certainly misleading.



It should be "rollover" and you can't use it. It just looks good up there on the dashboard.



The way it works is that the current month data is used FIRST (that rollover data just sits there like a orange carrot) and then the rollover for the last month LATER. HOWEVER rollover is only good for the previous month IF you didn't use your regular bucket first.



So that means to have a chance to use ANY rollover its really at a minimum every two months because if you are actually using rollover data, the next month you won't have any (it uses the base data first).



That means to have any chance of a rollover that you have to use LESS than your current data bucket AND have to watch all that "rollover" data sit there and disappear. Sounds consumer friendly to me.



Personally I think that is going to piss people off more once they figure it out (if they do).



As for Verizon, they just straight up don't care because their phones are so proprietary moving to another vendor is more difficult. Added that the phone radios need to be on Verizon to flash, updating them is not a simple proposition, even Apple phones have issues. wkm001

join:2009-12-14 wkm001 Member Re: Hope To Join Up Luckily the phones are becoming more universal. I believe starting with the iPhone 5S, even the Verizon model has LTE bands for other carriers. When I had my Verizon Galaxy S3 and switched to AT&T the only thing that would work was voice, text, and Edge data speeds. Sure it was unlocked, but Verizon had them leave out the 3G/4G GSM radios so it wasn't usable on another carrier.



I'm not sure about Apple phones but Android phones have that constant notification "non Verizon SIM." Which can only be solved with a new ROM.

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hamburglar Member Re: Hope To Join Up I had to ROM my G2 and eventually got an ATT version and sold my Verizon one to cover it. The unlocked phones with most radios will start to make this real interesting.



We didnt feel locked into Verizon, even with a year left on the contract. The Cricket switch credits covered 90% of our ETF. Couldn't be happier. We brought my wife's iPhone 5s from Verizon to Cricket and it didn't skip a beat. "Cricket LTE" in the status bar. Only good thing about the iPhone IMOI had to ROM my G2 and eventually got an ATT version and sold my Verizon one to cover it. The unlocked phones with most radios will start to make this real interesting.We didnt feel locked into Verizon, even with a year left on the contract. The Cricket switch credits covered 90% of our ETF. Couldn't be happier. stridr69

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I have a 6+ that I purchased full price at the Apple store(Verizon). Currently using T-mobile's $30 prepaid plan. Works as advertised. Wifi calling, music freedom(used EVERY day), LTE(fall back to HSDPA+ which is FAR faster than VZW's fall back to 3G from LTE). I'm a VERY happy camper so far...

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if I have a phone support LTE only, no T-Mobile 3G bands, it will goes to 2G ? patt2k

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said by elefante72: AT&T "Rollover" Plan is almost insidious and certainly misleading.



It should be "rollover" and you can't use it. It just looks good up there on the dashboard.



The way it works is that the current month data is used FIRST (that rollover data just sits there like a orange carrot) and then the rollover for the last month LATER. HOWEVER rollover is only good for the previous month IF you didn't use your regular bucket first.



So that means to have a chance to use ANY rollover its really at a minimum every two months because if you are actually using rollover data, the next month you won't have any (it uses the base data first).



That means to have any chance of a rollover that you have to use LESS than your current data bucket AND have to watch all that "rollover" data sit there and disappear. Sounds consumer friendly to me.



Personally I think that is going to piss people off more once they figure it out (if they do).



As for Verizon, they just straight up don't care because their phones are so proprietary moving to another vendor is more difficult. Added that the phone radios need to be on Verizon to flash, updating them is not a simple proposition, even Apple phones have issues.



My 6 lines sometimes use 20gb sometimes 25gb it depends on 30gb plan plus 1 free.



This woild be great to have. Do you use exact same number of data each month? Hopefully Verizon will copy att soon.My 6 lines sometimes use 20gb sometimes 25gb it depends on 30gb plan plus 1 free.This woild be great to have. elefante72

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East Amherst, NY elefante72 Member Re: Hope To Join Up Both mine and the Mrs are on different Verizon corporate plans and they are unlimited. Her cost is $30 and they give her the phone, and mine is paid but I have unlimited international (I travel a lot). I'm sure it costs hundreds per month, but I don't care because I don't even see the bill.



However my company decided that for hotspot, Verizon was ripping them off, and they gave me a Tmobile hotspot that is unlimited in the US, and has some limits in foreign markets. I use it up in Canada all the time, and I have in Europe/Asia. I can say the TMO hotspot runs circles around my old Verizon ipad/jetpack by a MILE and it was really only good in the US. It is unbelievably great, especially at major airports.



The kids are on ringplus and that costs almost nothing. AmericanMan

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said by elefante72: Sp that means to have a chance to use ANY rollover its really at a minimum every two months because if you are actually using rollover data, the next month you won't have any (it uses the base data first).



That means to have any chance of a rollover that you have to use LESS than your current data bucket AND have to watch all that "rollover" data sit there and disappear. Sounds consumer friendly to me. Yeah I realized this last night as I was thinking about the AT&T Rollover plan. Zoder

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The best part about this explanation is that the day before, Karl posted an article where the new CEO of ATT Wireless said that AT&T plans aren't confusing but T-Mobile's are.



Their new rollover program is designed to confuse customers. existenz

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»www.bizjournals.com/kans ··· wth.html Sprint has announced they gained 1M new subscribers, though only 30K postpaid. Still, a step in right direction...

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said by n2jtx: I hope to be switching to T-Mobile sometime in the first quarter from Sprint. I want to upgrade from my permanently locked Sprint iPhone 4S and would prefer an iPhone 6S (when/if that becomes available - I am intrigued that the A9 chip is now in production). It's available at the t-mobile store at our local mall. Even the 6+ is available there.

SysOp

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Atlanta, GA SysOp Member But wait there's more Those numbers are without 700mhz



2016 will be the year of T mobile

mikesco

@104.129.85.x mikesco Anon Last line should read " Roll over Data" "Roll over Minutes" Is so 2010.

treich

join:2006-12-12 treich Member NO coverage in NW OHIO there is no coverage in NW OHIO like mercer,van wert county...

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MA cybah Member John Legere If you're on Twitter.. follow him. He's a freakin hoot. Its clear he really cares about making T-Mobile the nations #1 wireless carrier. And more power to him.



Ya their network is dismal in my town (but okay everywhere else), but I hope it will improve in the next year.



Nearly happy T-Mobile customer since the days of Ominipoint! en103

join:2011-05-02 en103 Member Why do people move to T-Mobile ? Its relatively simple... no data overages!

I'm still on AT&T's old unlimited plan because of ... no overages.

Why did people (in the past) migrate to certain carriers - no voice/txt overages.



T-Mobile not only has no overage charges (does throttle - just like AT&T), but will allow you to effectively 'keep' unthrottled data.



For me, its a a numbers game... currently for me, AT&T is still cheaper, since I don't use txt.

Unlimited voice/data on 2 lines for $110 on AT&T (capped at 5GB each, then throttled)

or

T-Mobile's 5GB shared with rollover for ~$100/month including text. T-Mobile makes it up on the cost of the phone. Sam's club sells phones relatively inexpensive

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U.S.A. mahermusic Member Re: Why do people move to T-Mobile ? said by en103: For me, its a a numbers game... currently for me, AT&T is still cheaper, since I don't use txt.

Unlimited voice/data on 2 lines for $110 on AT&T (capped at 5GB each, then throttled)

or

T-Mobile's 5GB shared with rollover for ~$100/month including text. T-Mobile makes it up on the cost of the phone. Sam's club sells phones relatively inexpensive Actually, T-Mobile comes out the winner here... you DO know Legere has been at it again, and is now offering TRULY UNLIMITED 2 lines for $100? That's unlimited...NO CAPPING....NO THROTTLES....NO OVERAGES. They started offering it a bit before the holidays, and you keep it for life! 2 lines totally unlimited for $100. BiggA

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Why do people not move to T-Mobile? So their phone actually works. blips

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Addison, IL blips Member T-Mobile I probably will switch from ATT in September when my last phone on my family plan contract is up. T-mobile is still cheaper even with my corporate discount with ATT. firedrakes

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Arcadia, FL firedrakes Member Re: T-Mobile unless they put more tower in Florida . then i will get it. due to area i live and travel to are partial dead zones

mahermusic

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U.S.A. mahermusic Member Been with T-Mobile for 15 years now... Well, actually it was OmniPoint, then VoiceStream before it was T-Mobile! We're currently on the 4 lines for $100 plan, which includes unlimited calls, texts, and 2.5GB of high-speed data per line. T-Mobile also keeps coming up with all kind of goodies to give us...my favorite is FREE music streaming from a bunch of music sites...doesn't count against your data plan! I use Pandora a lot through my car's interface.... I use it so much (since it's free), that I cancelled my SiriusXM. T-Mobile also gives us a 15% off education discount, so my entire bill, WITH taxes, for four people, comes out to $103.37 ($25.84 per person!!) and never, EVER any overages!!! Coverage is excellent (even inside buildings), and have never had a dropped call in the entire 15 years!! tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member Boo-Hoo! ATT and Verizon will have to give customers ROLLOVER data for the already ripoff priced METERED data plans on top of 35-, 45, 50$ voice & text plans plus taxes and fees-- what will investors say when they have to earn 1 cent less per share...

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join:2014-08-20 bluefox8 Member Switched and happy Switched 4 lines out of ATT and 4 our of Sprint, to tmo.



$140/mo for 8 lines. Added $10/mo (per plan) for international calling (for all lines).



That, ladies and gentlemen, is $18.75 per line (unlimited minutes + unlimited txt + 2.5GB LTE data per line + wifi hotspot + unlimited calling to 70+ countries for every line). Customer service is very responsive so far. You pay for your own phone.



The only way ATT or Verizon will get me back is at $20/line or below. I won't go back to sprint's crappy network unless they do less than $10/line for above. xrobertcmx

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White Plains, MD xrobertcmx Premium Member Happy Enough with T-Mobile I've had them about 3 years now. The LTE speeds I get down the street here in Northern VA are around 25/15 which is far more then acceptable. I just wish they would fix the coverage gap at my house. 1/4 mi in any direction and I have solid LTE signal, at my house I have an almost working repeater and wifi calling that sort of, but doesn't exactly fix the gap. If it wasn't for the $70 a month difference in price I would switch back to AT&T. your comment..

