[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #161 What about getting the real new bloody ridge ?

ilovemmy Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Italy 30 Posts #162 On October 02 2017 08:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

What about getting the real new bloody ridge ?



I've got the map from here:



Is that incorrect ? I've got the map from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/460_New_Bloody_Ridge Is that incorrect ? If you need inspiring words, you should not do it.

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts Last Edited: 2017-10-01 23:49:30 #163 On October 02 2017 08:33 ilovemmy wrote:

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On October 02 2017 08:26 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

What about getting the real new bloody ridge ?



I've got the map from here:



Is that incorrect ? I've got the map from here: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/460_New_Bloody_Ridge Is that incorrect ?

if you check the vods of that link u will see there is a difference,i for example never did play that version we re using in the italian qual,i dont know if this version is a 2017 update from a foreigner mapmaker and non one did mention the changes or just a mistake from tl,in any case that map is different from the one used for years in tournaments and proleague. if you check the vods of that link u will see there is a difference,i for example never did play that version we re using in the italian qual,i dont know if this version is a 2017 update from a foreigner mapmaker and non one did mention the changes or just a mistake from tl,in any case that map is different from the one used for years in tournaments and proleague.

Eywa- Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Canada 4562 Posts #164 On October 02 2017 08:24 ilovemmy wrote:

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On October 02 2017 07:14 Eywa- wrote:

I have to say, as an admin, I would have ruled in favor of Bonyth, but what you guys did to TrutaCz by putting the decision to re or not on him was unacceptable. I think a lot of players would re even if they didn't want to and then it just builds animosity for no reason.



Also, you guys need to fix your policy for playing on bad maps... Either re-game or disqualify... How can a bad map be accepted for the set result? I've never seen that in any sponsored event before.





If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.



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- 1 DQ both of the players would be unfair.



- 2 This is not the first time thtat's happening, happened sometimes also in the past but mostly for SC2 tournaments. ESL started only recently to host StarCraft Remastered tournaments. And that always been the regulation regarding this matter.



However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.



Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.



If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...



It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play it



Yet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?



Is that right? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play itYet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?Is that right? Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...

ilovemmy Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Italy 30 Posts #165 On October 02 2017 09:22 Eywa- wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2017 08:24 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 07:14 Eywa- wrote:

I have to say, as an admin, I would have ruled in favor of Bonyth, but what you guys did to TrutaCz by putting the decision to re or not on him was unacceptable. I think a lot of players would re even if they didn't want to and then it just builds animosity for no reason.



Also, you guys need to fix your policy for playing on bad maps... Either re-game or disqualify... How can a bad map be accepted for the set result? I've never seen that in any sponsored event before.





If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.



- 1 DQ both of the players would be unfair.



- 2 This is not the first time thtat's happening, happened sometimes also in the past but mostly for SC2 tournaments. ESL started only recently to host StarCraft Remastered tournaments. And that always been the regulation regarding this matter.



However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.



Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.



If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...



It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play it



Yet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?



Is that right? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play itYet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?Is that right?



Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose. Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose. If you need inspiring words, you should not do it.

Eywa- Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Canada 4562 Posts #166 On October 02 2017 09:55 ilovemmy wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2017 09:22 Eywa- wrote:

On October 02 2017 08:24 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 07:14 Eywa- wrote:

I have to say, as an admin, I would have ruled in favor of Bonyth, but what you guys did to TrutaCz by putting the decision to re or not on him was unacceptable. I think a lot of players would re even if they didn't want to and then it just builds animosity for no reason.



Also, you guys need to fix your policy for playing on bad maps... Either re-game or disqualify... How can a bad map be accepted for the set result? I've never seen that in any sponsored event before.





If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.



- 1 DQ both of the players would be unfair.



- 2 This is not the first time thtat's happening, happened sometimes also in the past but mostly for SC2 tournaments. ESL started only recently to host StarCraft Remastered tournaments. And that always been the regulation regarding this matter.



However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.



Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.



If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...



It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play it



Yet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?



Is that right? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play itYet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?Is that right?



Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose. Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose.

Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make... Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make... Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #167

in case some zerg makes this mistake and admins dont get the right version of the map here is the bug i was talking about.



2h52m24s 2h52m24s

Bakuryu Profile Blog Joined August 2009 Germany 1043 Posts Last Edited: 2017-10-02 07:11:34 #168



https://m.blog.naver.com/daum1313/30186963886



i couldnt find any other difference in 5 mins.



liquipedia only lists new bloody ridge 2.0 new bloody ridge 2.1 is the newest version which has a smaller main entrance compared to 2.0i couldnt find any other difference in 5 mins.liquipedia only lists new bloody ridge 2.0

ilovemmy Profile Blog Joined November 2011 Italy 30 Posts #169 On October 02 2017 16:10 Bakuryu wrote:

new bloody ridge 2.1 is the newest version which has a smaller main entrance compared to 2.0



https://m.blog.naver.com/daum1313/30186963886



i couldnt find any other difference in 5 mins.



liquipedia only lists new bloody ridge 2.0 new bloody ridge 2.1 is the newest version which has a smaller main entrance compared to 2.0i couldnt find any other difference in 5 mins.liquipedia only lists new bloody ridge 2.0



Yeah I managed also to find the 2.1 version. Which has only the entrance different.







I will ask to get that replaced on the map pack.



@eonzerg, about the bug on the left corner that's really weird.

Yeah I managed also to find the 2.1 version. Which has only the entrance different.I will ask to get that replaced on the map pack.@eonzerg, about the bug on the left corner that's really weird. If you need inspiring words, you should not do it.

GeckoXp Profile Blog Joined June 2013 Germany 1948 Posts #170 On October 02 2017 11:36 Eywa- wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2017 09:55 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 09:22 Eywa- wrote:

On October 02 2017 08:24 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 07:14 Eywa- wrote:

I have to say, as an admin, I would have ruled in favor of Bonyth, but what you guys did to TrutaCz by putting the decision to re or not on him was unacceptable. I think a lot of players would re even if they didn't want to and then it just builds animosity for no reason.



Also, you guys need to fix your policy for playing on bad maps... Either re-game or disqualify... How can a bad map be accepted for the set result? I've never seen that in any sponsored event before.





If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.



- 1 DQ both of the players would be unfair.



- 2 This is not the first time thtat's happening, happened sometimes also in the past but mostly for SC2 tournaments. ESL started only recently to host StarCraft Remastered tournaments. And that always been the regulation regarding this matter.



However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.



Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.



If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...



It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play it



Yet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?



Is that right? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play itYet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?Is that right?



Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose. Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose.

Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make... Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make...



No admin can join every game before it starts and re-check every small detail. At some point the players are required to do that yourself. If no player involved realizes beforehand, it usually is a mistake by both, yet both agree to play the map, even if the consent is done out of ignorance: If one had a problem, he would have noticed (especially in the case of a map version that is indicated by the map name).



Cases like the one for tacz is rare and the admin has to call the shot. If anyone should be able to comment about it, it should be tacz, bonyth and the admins, not random bystanders. No admin can join every game before it starts and re-check every small detail. At some point the players are required to do that yourself. If no player involved realizes beforehand, it usually is a mistake by both, yet both agree to play the map, even if the consent is done out of ignorance: If one had a problem, he would have noticed (especially in the case of a map version that is indicated by the map name).Cases like the one for tacz is rare and the admin has to call the shot. If anyone should be able to comment about it, it should be tacz, bonyth and the admins, not random bystanders. "Was macht Gecko da aus meiner BWCL." - Annihilator

Eywa- Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Canada 4562 Posts #171 On October 02 2017 19:54 GeckoXp wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 02 2017 11:36 Eywa- wrote:

On October 02 2017 09:55 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 09:22 Eywa- wrote:

On October 02 2017 08:24 ilovemmy wrote:

On October 02 2017 07:14 Eywa- wrote:

I have to say, as an admin, I would have ruled in favor of Bonyth, but what you guys did to TrutaCz by putting the decision to re or not on him was unacceptable. I think a lot of players would re even if they didn't want to and then it just builds animosity for no reason.



Also, you guys need to fix your policy for playing on bad maps... Either re-game or disqualify... How can a bad map be accepted for the set result? I've never seen that in any sponsored event before.





If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.



- 1 DQ both of the players would be unfair.



- 2 This is not the first time thtat's happening, happened sometimes also in the past but mostly for SC2 tournaments. ESL started only recently to host StarCraft Remastered tournaments. And that always been the regulation regarding this matter.



However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.



Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.



If someone by mistake creates the wrong map and also the opponent doesn't notice, proceeding to start and finish the game I would take that as both of them accepted to play on that map. Considering valid the result.However I agree with you that there's some inconsistency in the rules regarding this aspect and it will be fixed.Also if you guys have any other feedback and / or suggestion to share you are more than welcome to do so.

I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...



It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play it



Yet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?



Is that right? I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say...It fair to assume that both players have checked the exact version of the map and therefore, they are considered to have agreed to play itYet, it's unfair to DQ both players for shared responsibility of playing an illegal map because they might not be aware that it's an illegal map?Is that right?



Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose. Yes that's correct, any dispute should arise in the lobby and / or during the early stage of the game. Not after finishing the match. I think that would be unfair to DQ both of them for something that they didn't in purpose.

Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make... Well, if it's viewed as a mistake, then it can't also be viewed as consent. That's the point I'm trying to make...



No admin can join every game before it starts and re-check every small detail. At some point the players are required to do that yourself. If no player involved realizes beforehand, it usually is a mistake by both, yet both agree to play the map, even if the consent is done out of ignorance: If one had a problem, he would have noticed (especially in the case of a map version that is indicated by the map name).



Cases like the one for tacz is rare and the admin has to call the shot. If anyone should be able to comment about it, it should be tacz, bonyth and the admins, not random bystanders. No admin can join every game before it starts and re-check every small detail. At some point the players are required to do that yourself. If no player involved realizes beforehand, it usually is a mistake by both, yet both agree to play the map, even if the consent is done out of ignorance: If one had a problem, he would have noticed (especially in the case of a map version that is indicated by the map name).Cases like the one for tacz is rare and the admin has to call the shot. If anyone should be able to comment about it, it should be tacz, bonyth and the admins, not random bystanders.

Given the discussions (or lack thereof) you've had with both players about the issue, you're the random bystander here. It's fine though, I've said what I have to say.



1) A bad map should never be counted as the result

2) The decision should never be put on the players Given the discussions (or lack thereof) you've had with both players about the issue, you're the random bystander here. It's fine though, I've said what I have to say.1) A bad map should never be counted as the result2) The decision should never be put on the players Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...

GeckoXp Profile Blog Joined June 2013 Germany 1948 Posts #172 yeah, i'm sure ESL is in desperate need of advice of a person who organized LANs with profits he still had to generate via selling hockey cards. "Was macht Gecko da aus meiner BWCL." - Annihilator

kogeT Profile Joined September 2013 Poland 1646 Posts #173



Example @ 5:29:



http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/79318_sOs_vs_ZerO/vod I agree it should be bloody ridge 2.1 - this version was also played in proleague in 2011, not only on Iccup.Example @ 5:29: https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw

HaN- Profile Blog Joined June 2009 France 1822 Posts #174



Qualifiers #3 Sayle's VODS are up Calendar

HsDLTitich Profile Blog Joined October 2012 Italy 820 Posts Last Edited: 2017-10-04 14:38:09 #175



BTW, big announcement! Here are the first two invites to the LAN







https://www.facebook.com/ESLItalia/photos/a.10150166655289225.339899.361887749224/10155851856249225/?type=3 Updated the map pack with Blood Ridge 2.1BTW, big announcement! Here are the first two invites to the LAN ESL Italia - ESL SC2

Sayle Profile Joined October 2010 United Kingdom 3685 Posts #176 Wow did not expect NonY!

[sc1f]eonzerg Profile Blog Joined February 2010 Belgium 5926 Posts #177 oh man they are inviting some imba Terran from Korea :D

GTR Profile Blog Joined September 2004 48887 Posts #178 On October 04 2017 20:24 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

oh man they are inviting some imba Terran from Korea :D



and his name?



lim

yo

hwan



+ Show Spoiler + haha i wish and his name?limyohwan Commentator Twitter: @GTR1H

Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/GTR1H

NeV Profile Joined July 2008 Italy 370 Posts #179 Very happy to see Nony back in a BW tournament! It's gonna be good

jamesz Profile Joined October 2017 50 Posts Last Edited: 2017-10-04 12:51:25 #180 invite draco and ret for europe and in korea it has to be a terran

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