Joe Rogan got conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on his podcast this week and, among other things, the pair talked about psychedelics and aliens. Buckle up, folks.

According to Jones, there’s a deep state government program based in San Francisco through which rogue intelligence agents take massive doses of psychedelics like DMT and ayahuasca in order to engage in intergalactic diplomacy.

The InfoWars host claims to have spoken to hundreds of people in the military and Central Intelligence Agency about the clandestine operation.

Of course, Jones has also peddled a number of verifiably false claims like that crisis actors were behind the Sandy Hook school shooting and that high-profile Democrats participated in an underage sex trafficking operation run out of the basement of a pizzeria.

So keep that in mind as you read on…

Nonetheless, Jones claims “real research” and the testimony of his unnamed sources back up his claims about psychedelics and aliens.

In San Francisco, the “breakaway, rogue intelligence agencies” have an “alien base” where they are “literally communicating [with intergalactic beings] and they’ve got like astronaut-level people taking super hardcore levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things and making intergalactic deals,” Jones said.

“I’ve known about this a long time and I just don’t think people are ready for it.”

Rogan played devil’s advocate for a bit, noting that “everyone who’s done a high dose of psychedelic drugs has had this experience” of meeting seemingly alien beings.

“You have some kind of communication with something else,” Rogan said. “The question is, is that something else insider your psyche or is there a chemical doorway inside the mind that opens up?”

Jones said the process of making an intergalactic connections goes “even deeper,” too. In other cases, for more advanced psychonauts, “they turn your heart off for five minutes and they pump oxygen in your blood and you’re in the meetings.”

“You’re in the meeting with freaking aliens,” he said.

But what do they talk about during these meetings? Jones said “you get killed for this stuff,” explaining why he couldn’t reveal those details.

Jones clarified he hasn’t personally used DMT or ayahuasca—”for obvious reasons”—but he does use cannabis. He smoked what Rogan very sarcastically described as “100 percent” tobacco later in the episode, which is likely the same blend of “very strong tobacco from Mexico” that the two smoked on an earlier episode.

That 2017 sesh ended up costing Jones, though, as his wife took him to court in a custody battle that he lost after her attorneys submitted the clip as evidence of illegal drug use. Jones claimed at the trial that he uses cannabis annually to test its potency, because, he believes, billionaire Democratic donor George Soros is behind a plot to increase THC concentrations in marijuana.

Jones made some outlandish claims on that 2017 episode, too—like that a former NASA official died under mysterious circumstances before he was able to disclose “the secret of NASA”—but Jones seemed especially high in the clouds during the new appearance.

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