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Why the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage could lead to civil war

http://allenbwest.com ^ | June 26, 2015 | Allen B. West

Posted on by NKP_Vet

[Note: this is an update to an article originally posted on May 4, 2015]

Today the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 in favor of same sex marriage in all 50 states. My friends, we are witnessing the end of federalism in our nation. In a single vote, 5 folks basically just told the states to stick it.

Furthermore, we are in effect nullifying the First Amendment.

Consider this: what happens when a gay couple goes into a church wanting to plan a ceremony and the pastor says no? We now have a conflict between the First Amendment and individual behavior.

Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia summed up his disgust with this ruling in a footnote on page 7 (note 22). He says, If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity, I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.

With this ruling, the Supreme Court is essentially saying individuals have civil rights based on their sexual behavior, and setting up a monumental battle with the free exercise of religion. This could well be the straw that breaks the camels back  that camel being the up till now silent, passive Americans who have been cowed into tolerating societal changes that go counter to their fundamental beliefs.

As reported by the Christian Post in April, The United States Supreme Court may soon liberate the biblically conservative church from old prejudices that should have long ago been jettisoned, forcing it into rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity, in the words of a recent writer in The New York Times.

Homosexuality must be removed from the sin list and, according to an MSNBC commentator, traditional marriage proponents must be forced to do things they dont want to do. Sadly, this crusade will be like the Marxist liberation movements that promised to free people, but really were about control and suppression. The culmination may come as the Supreme Court hears oral arguments on same-sex marriage cases beginning April 28. By July 1 the Court possibly will issue an official ruling regarding the constitutional right to homosexual marriage. The Courts decision may impact the form of biblically based churches dramatically. Churches that hold to a strict and conservative interpretation of the Bibles teaching about gender and marriage may find themselves Romanized. The elites of first century Rome would not allow the church an institutional presence in society. The Christian churches were associations which were not legally authorized, and the Roman authorities, always suspicious of organizations which might prove seditious, regarded them with jaundiced eye, writes Kenneth Scott LaTourette.

I found the statement rightly bowing to the enlightenments of modernity as rather odd. And the comments from the MSNBC commentator of traditional marriage proponents being forced to do the things they dont want to do as somewhat threatening.

These statements by progressive socialists are indicative of a lack of regard and respect for the First Amendment right of religious liberty. Here is where I see an incredible philosophical battle looming. Now that SCOTUS has ruled there is a constitutional right to marriage  which I fail to see how that could be construed  and the radical gay left decides to push the envelope against churches, it will be a strategic miscalculation for the liberal left.

This is why the solution of civil unions should have been the solution. If the country is forced to accept something that goes counter to a traditional value, there will undoubtedly be push back. And that push back will result in a galvanizing issue which I do not believe the liberal progressive left fully comprehends.

Its simple  in the 2012 presidential election there were some five to seven million evangelical Christian voters who sat it out. They were not inspired and therefore did not participate. However, I believe with this decision, the left has overextended itself  as it has already based on courts overturning electorate decisions  and you will see a social conservative issue that will have greater prominence. Some on the center-right will say, drop it, thats a bad policy recommendation. This issue will not lend itself to dismissal and cognitive dissonance  there must be a solution. The social conservative issue of marriage will not be thrown upon the ash heap. It shouldnt be the prominent issue, but it does have cross interest appeal.

The Christian Post postulated, What happens if local churches that do not embrace same-sex marriage find their legal status shaky or non-existent, as well as parachurch groups, conservative Christian colleges, church-based humanitarian agencies, and all other religious institutions  Christian and otherwise  supporting the traditional view of marriage. Without state-recognized corporate status everything from mortgages and building permits to employment and hiring practices is threatened  all of them essential for institutional function.

Journalist Ben Shapiro notes that there is already a movement on the state level to revoke non-profit status for religious organizations that do not abide by same-sex marriage. The Supreme Courts decision could make churches refusing to comply private institutions engaging in commerce, and therefore subject to laws already in place. Refusal to perform a same-sex wedding would put a church out of business. Current trends seem to flow against conservative religious institutions. All the elites that set and propagate cultural consensus are aligned in support of same-sex marriage  the Entertainment Establishment, Information Establishment, Academic Establishment, and Political Establishment.

However, are the entertainment, information (media), academic, and political establishments truly representative of American culture? Or do they just have a more prominent position, making us believe they have a majority opinion?

There has been little talk about how, during the Obama wave of 2008, same-sex marriage ballot proposals in two states did not win as liberal progressives and the gay left had hoped  in Florida and California. The quiet point that no one wanted to comprehend was that countless droves of black voters swarmed to the polls. And as they voted for the first black president they did NOT vote to bring about gay marriage in their states. Why? Because of traditional biblical beliefs. Now, in 2008, Obama stated he didnt support gay marriage  when he decided to flip flop  the hushed-up secret was the anger and disdain this caused with many black pastors and ministers. We all know the Democrats wholeheartedly depend on an obedient black electoral patronage  what if 25 percent of blacks say no?

And let me be clear, the Hispanic community is very religious, traditional and family-oriented as well. An ill-conceived assault against the church  a rallying point across the minority communities  could bode dismay for the liberal progressives of the Democrat party heading into the 2016 election year. It could be a policy issue that works against the left and galvanizes those who support traditional marriage.

I know there are folks on the liberal progressive left who frequent this website. So here is my message. The Christian church community is a lot bigger and more powerful than you think  they kept a Republican from winning the White House. And these arent just old white men  theres a growing young Christian constituency. You can criticize the Christian right all you want, but surrendering ones faith principle for political gain is not a viable proposition. And in the case of prosecution of the Christian church, there could be a rallying of churches, regardless of race, the likes of which this nation has not seen.

The SCOTUS decision on same-sex marriage is not about the issue itself  it is about individual religious freedom and the imposition of the States will against faith. After all, it is the original reason why the Pilgrims fled England. And since there is no place for men and women of faith to retreat  they will make a stand. This aint first century Rome.



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Dissenting Justice Antonin Scalia summed up his disgust with this ruling in a footnote on page 7 (note 22). He says, If, even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote, I ever joined an opinion for the Court that began: The Constitution promises liberty to all within its reach, a liberty that includes certain specific rights that allow persons, within a lawful realm, to define and express their identity, I would hide my head in a bag. The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.



To: NKP_Vet

“If the world hates you, remember that the world hated me first. If you belonged to the world, then the world would love you like it loves its own people. But I have chosen you out of the world. So you don’t belong to the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the lesson I told you: A servant is not greater than his master. If people did wrong to me, then they will do wrong to you too.”

John 18:15



To: NKP_Vet

Furthermore, we are in effect nullifying the First Amendment.



... And the 10th has been long dead.



by 3 posted onby Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)

To: NKP_Vet

His lips to God’s ears. It’s time to make a break for it. “Flyoverland” has no chance of restoring this mess to it’s former greatness, so let’s get out while there’s still time.



by 4 posted onby Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)

To: Sopater

It will be a new revolution against tyranny, not a civil war.



by 5 posted onby shankbear (The tree of Liberty appears to be perishing because there are few patriots willing to refresh it.)

To: NKP_Vet

by 6 posted onby Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)

To: NKP_Vet

Yea, this is going to bring about shots fired, it will lead to it. Conservative and Religious Americans aren’t going to take it laying down.



by 7 posted onby FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)

To: NKP_Vet

The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie.







by 8 posted onby Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)

To: NKP_Vet

“And let me be clear, the Hispanic community is very religious, traditional and family-oriented as well. An ill-conceived assault against the church  a rallying point across the minority communities  could bode dismay for the liberal progressives of the Democrat party heading into the 2016 election year.” The blacks are too busy killing each other and defacing statues, and can barely manage to get married on accident. The Hispanics are too busy carving out a new central American republic out west to give a damn.



To: NKP_Vet

Well, he is right about one thing. The Christian right did indeed make sure a Republican didn’t win the White House.



To: Salvation

We have been praying - for years. God has apparently left us to our own devices. We will get what we deserve.



To: NKP_Vet

The “theory” of Countervailing Forces will become law after this, IMO. I’m just waiting to see the progressives try to make Imams in Dearbornistan perform same sex weddings.



by 12 posted onby gr8eman (Don't waste your energy trying to understand commies. Use it to defeat them!)

To: NKP_Vet

With “America” now such an evil abomination, anything that shreds the country apart is fine by me. Ultimately, the only route to survival is going to be secession.



To: NKP_Vet

The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie. Now it's: we don't need no steenkin constitution



by 14 posted onby mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))

To: NKP_Vet

It won’t lead to civil war because we are too gutless.



To: FreedomStar3028

End of freedom of religion in America. Arrests and persecution ahead?



by 16 posted onby garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)

To: NKP_Vet

If Roe v. Wade didn’t lead to civil war or even civil strife, why would this?



To: roses of sharon

It is a good scripture. Unfortunately it seems to be used as more of an excuse not to engage than a comfort after all else failed. It does not remove our civil responsibilities or our obligation to obey God rather than man.



To: NKP_Vet

re: "My friends, we are witnessing the end of federalism in our nation. In a single vote, 5 folks basically just told the states to 'stick it.'" The situation today is reversed. Abe sees the difference. Abe will explain from "the other side" (he's been through this). The fault is ours. If you could first know where you are and whither you are tending, you could better judge what to do and how to do it. You initiated a policy to tolerate the Marxist-Alinsky radicals and let them rant; not only has it not ceased but was constantly augmented by decades of infiltration and indoctrination. You now have two Americas. In my opinion, it will not cease until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half statist and half free; I do not expect the house to fall; but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other. The question today is either the opponents of statism will arrest the further spread of it and place it on course of ultimate extinction, or its advocates will push it forward till it shall become permanent. Have you no tendency to the latter condition? Let anyone who doubts carefully contemplate that now almost complete legal combination  piece of machinery, so to speak  compounded of the Republican Party hierarchy and the ruling class statism's chief architects.



by 19 posted onby WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)

To: NKP_Vet

Interesting note - he alludes to being "buyable" as a fifth vote, trading decisions across cases. IOW, he'd join THIS opinion in order to get a fifth vote on a different case. That's the law for you. "Disciplined legal reasoning" and being willing to go against conviction (trading positions for that fifth vote) are mutually exclusive. He could have left out the phrase "even as the price to be paid for a fifth vote." It's not necessary to make the point. Maybe this is his way of sharing a bit of inside baseball.



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