Chuddinater Profile Joined July 2013 Korea (South) 164 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-07 06:01:45 #1 Hello, I hope everyone enjoyed the Proleague finals! For all those fans that stayed up late to watch, your passion is what makes E-Sports such an amazing and rewarding field. I'm working at KeSPA right now and with Proleague now over they are looking for ways to improve the experience for the NA/EU viewers.



Now before everyone starts posting about SNM, as you know he has decided to finish school and will not be returning next season. So let us know by commenting below what we can do to create a better experience for you.



Edit: Thank you for all your feedback! I've written down all your suggestions and will work towards improving your experience while watching Proleague.

NarutO Profile Blog Joined December 2006 Germany 18817 Posts #2 I honestly feel like proleague does a supreme job. I pretty much follow every match (from work) on my phone, so it might be I missed it, but some trivia stuff would be fun I feel. Its always great to learn about the players, their past and surroundings.



While I am one of the guys that does follow the Korean scene, there is still much to learn and especially others that are not much into it would get a bit closer to the players and possibly wouldn't refer to Koreans are "robots" etc. Other than that, I feel like proleague is doing amazingly well, liking statistics etc.



Commercial breaks are pretty long, but that doesn't concern me too much. Commentator Polt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.

Philozovic Profile Joined August 2012 France 1675 Posts #3 Stop showing faces in the middle of action ?

Stop showing girls faces they ALWAYS cover it and it's so awkward ?

Less break time ?



I mean it seems like pretty obvious stuff at least to me ! INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true

NarutO Profile Blog Joined December 2006 Germany 18817 Posts #4 On August 05 2013 16:36 Philozovic wrote:

Stop showing faces in the middle of action ?

Stop showing girls faces they ALWAYS cover it and it's so awkward ?

Less break time ?



I mean it seems like pretty obvious stuff at least to me !



I like emotion shots, they are sometimes just a bit unlucky timed. If we could get emotion shots splitscreen or screen in screen it would be great. I really like to see emotion from the players like in WCS for example when forGG lost his medivacs, was amazing. I like emotion shots, they are sometimes just a bit unlucky timed. If we could get emotion shots splitscreen or screen in screen it would be great. I really like to see emotion from the players like in WCS for example when forGG lost his medivacs, was amazing. Commentator Polt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.

MasterOfPuppets Profile Blog Joined March 2011 Romania 6941 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-05 07:40:12 #5 On August 05 2013 16:36 Philozovic wrote:

Stop showing faces in the middle of action ?

Stop showing girls faces they ALWAYS cover it and it's so awkward ?





Lol you must be new here.... there's no other way. XD



But yeah what NarutO said. Lol you must be new here.... there's no other way. XDBut yeah what NarutO said. "my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014

Taefox Profile Joined March 2010 1497 Posts #6 showing faces is amazing stuff, no idea why people hate it ( in real sports on TV, they always show it up ) @taefoxy

NovemberstOrm Profile Blog Joined September 2011 Canada 15958 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-05 07:40:54 #7 On August 05 2013 16:36 Philozovic wrote:

Stop showing faces in the middle of action ?

Stop showing girls faces they ALWAYS cover it and it's so awkward ?

Less break time ?



I mean it seems like pretty obvious stuff at least to me !

This is a proleague trademark I like it but I think it could be on a split view and doesn't need to take up the whole screen.

another trademark, no comment by me.

The breaks are due to them broadcasting on TV. This is a proleague trademark I like it but I think it could be on a split view and doesn't need to take up the whole screen.another trademark, no comment by me.The breaks are due to them broadcasting on TV. Moderator lickypiddy

Amaril Profile Joined August 2013 Germany 105 Posts #8 Production was always the problem with ProLeague. Most of the times ProLeague does not even had a english overlay.

bo1b Profile Blog Joined August 2012 Australia 12625 Posts #9 The occasional first person view could be really cool, I haven't seen that in a while.

Chuddinater Profile Joined July 2013 Korea (South) 164 Posts #10 On August 05 2013 16:36 Philozovic wrote:

Stop showing faces in the middle of action ?

Stop showing girls faces they ALWAYS cover it and it's so awkward ?

Less break time ?



I mean it seems like pretty obvious stuff at least to me !



The break time can't be helped because after each match they need to switch out the computers that have been set up earlier by the players for their ideal settings. Unfortunately I don't think they will change the camera work on girls, it has been going on now for a long long time. The break time can't be helped because after each match they need to switch out the computers that have been set up earlier by the players for their ideal settings. Unfortunately I don't think they will change the camera work on girls, it has been going on now for a long long time.

TheRabidDeer Profile Blog Joined May 2003 United States 3654 Posts #11 On August 05 2013 16:30 Chuddinater wrote:

Hello, I hope everyone enjoyed the Proleague finals! For all those fans that stayed up late to watch, your passion is what makes E-Sports such an amazing and rewarding field. I'm working at KeSPA right now and with Proleague now over they are looking for ways to improve the experience for the NA/EU viewers.



Now before everyone starts posting about SNM, as you know he has decided to finish school and will not be returning next season. So let us know by commenting below what we can do to create a better experience for you.

Hype more. Somehow I missed that the PL finals even happened! Hype more. Somehow I missed that the PL finals even happened!

BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24438 Posts #12 On August 05 2013 16:41 bo1b wrote:

The occasional first person view could be really cool, I haven't seen that in a while.

this. Would love to see first person view from both players at different times in the game(mostly mid to late though) otherwise everything is good this. Would love to see first person view from both players at different times in the game(mostly mid to late though) otherwise everything is good Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

Dodgin Profile Blog Joined July 2011 Canada 38851 Posts #13 On August 05 2013 16:42 TheRabidDeer wrote:

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On August 05 2013 16:30 Chuddinater wrote:

Hello, I hope everyone enjoyed the Proleague finals! For all those fans that stayed up late to watch, your passion is what makes E-Sports such an amazing and rewarding field. I'm working at KeSPA right now and with Proleague now over they are looking for ways to improve the experience for the NA/EU viewers.



Now before everyone starts posting about SNM, as you know he has decided to finish school and will not be returning next season. So let us know by commenting below what we can do to create a better experience for you.

Hype more. Somehow I missed that the PL finals even happened! Hype more. Somehow I missed that the PL finals even happened!



If you don't visit the website for a week that's your own fault, that's the only way you could have missed both the TL preview and the LR thread. If you don't visit the website for a week that's your own fault, that's the only way you could have missed both the TL preview and the LR thread.

lichter Profile Blog Joined September 2010 1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL 22233 Posts #14 Since I watch all of Proleague and also LR OP a lot of them I think I should have a fair opinion:



1. More English content: I know this is tough to do, but I know a lot of people don't watch Proleague because they don't have an emotional connection with the players. Having more English content like interviews and such helps out a lot. The interviews you did have last season were memorable and people loved them. More of that would help make PL more popular.



2. Show Korean only segments instead of commercials/blank screen. During the first few rounds, we only got Mind Time over and over again instead of the game highlights and interviews. Viewers won't mind the lack of English as it's better than a blank screen and a long wait.



3. Less make up on Whiplash, he looks like a vampire on most days.



4. More player stats, info, background, memorable games, etc.



5. Throw in some nice BW content like greatest game moments, memorable players who are retired now, BW trivia, and other interesting stuff that will make foreigners more aware of the BW scene and also act as a history of a lot of the players. Not a lot since I'm sure there are those who aren't interested, but there are also comments about wanting to know more about the games or players SNM and Whiplash sometimes mention.



6. Casters in the venue. Having them in front of a green screen feels so... fake.



7. Custom observer UI. At this point I feel like it should be mandatory for major tournaments to use one. Administrator YOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS

Comogury Profile Blog Joined April 2011 United States 349 Posts #15 The stream itself can be hard to follow for newcomers that haven't been watching.



Not everyone is hardcore enough to memorize the player's names and would rather have their handles displayed on stream instead. It's also inconvenient for people who watch in the middle of a match to have Korean names displayed on the English stream. It puts a little bit too much burden on the viewer to look these kinds of things up or wait for the casters to bring it up. Neither of these are good for the viewer experience. This is troublesome for people who are new to the whole KeSPA scene, and it can be frustrating.



The intermissions in the middle of the season needed more helpful information on it and more relevant filler content instead of the mind cat thing. Someone who had no idea what was going on would probably just leave right away because they don't know what's going on and there is no indication as to when the broadcast will continue. Even running commercials during that time would a better indication of it being an intermission. Since PL is actually a structured event with (I hope) planned intermissions, it would be nice to have some kind of countdown.



Other than that, I don't really have anything to harp on. I enjoyed watching throughout the season. Keep up the good work!

Big J Profile Joined March 2011 Austria 16272 Posts #16 The breaks are much too long. I often tune in and tune out again, because I'm getting bored.

Also it's usually pretty early in the morning for middle Europe, so half of the time I can only check the results anyways.

schaf Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Germany 1231 Posts #17 On August 05 2013 16:40 Amaril wrote:

Production was always the problem with ProLeague. Most of the times ProLeague does not even had a english overlay.



That's OK for me, since I am used to watching BW proleague without any decipherable sign in any overlay. I even learned the Korean written names of my favourite players...



Proleague was spectacular, I pray that you will still have one caster who is fluent in Korean. SNM was not the best caster but his on-the-fly-translations made it all that much better. I was really disappointed that he did not cast the off-season special tournament of PL (with all the chat banter in-game).



Apart from that I have some issues with video quality. Because for some reason it is worse for one location and I can't think why. And it's not just stream quality, if you watch the Korean VODs on Youtube one part of them is totally fine and has good resolution while the other is hard to watch on 720p.



But all in all: good job, keep going! That's OK for me, since I am used to watching BW proleague without any decipherable sign in any overlay. I even learned the Korean written names of my favourite players...Proleague was spectacular, I pray that you will still have one caster who is fluent in Korean. SNM was not the best caster but his on-the-fly-translations made it all that much better. I was really disappointed that he did not cast the off-season special tournament of PL (with all the chat banter in-game).Apart from that I have some issues with video quality. Because for some reason it is worse for one location and I can't think why. And it's not just stream quality, if you watch the Korean VODs on Youtube one part of them is totally fine and has good resolution while the other is hard to watch on 720p.But all in all: good job, keep going! Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB

Niko_Thien Profile Joined September 2011 Germany 2671 Posts #18 I did not watch every game of proleague, but from what I remember, the english casters only casted the game from the observers POV. So allowing them to actually get ingame should improve the cast a bit, as they can check different stuff thats going on and tell the viewer about it.



And please keep showing the native observer's view, the way OGN does it for the english broadcast just looks silly (to me) and was one of the reasons why I switched to the GSL broadcast.. @Niko_Thien on twitter!

Waxangel Profile Blog Joined September 2002 United States 29090 Posts #19 I would like maybe 6 new versions of mindmindmind Administrator Hey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?

juicyjames Profile Joined August 2011 United States 3812 Posts Last Edited: 2013-08-06 02:19:01 #20 On August 05 2013 16:34 NarutO wrote:

I honestly feel like proleague does a supreme job. I pretty much follow every match (from work) on my phone, so it might be I missed it, but some trivia stuff would be fun I feel. Its always great to learn about the players, their past and surroundings.



While I am one of the guys that does follow the Korean scene, there is still much to learn and especially others that are not much into it would get a bit closer to the players and possibly wouldn't refer to Koreans are "robots" etc. Other than that, I feel like proleague is doing amazingly well, liking statistics etc.

On August 05 2013 16:45 lichter wrote:

1. More English content: I know this is tough to do, but I know a lot of people don't watch Proleague because they don't have an emotional connection with the players. Having more English content like interviews and such helps out a lot. The interviews you did have last season were memorable and people loved them. More of that would help make PL more popular.

I agree with both of these. Above all else give us a reason to care whether or not these teams win or lose. Make us develop that emotional connection to all the teams, not just the famous teams or top tier players.



Let us get to know the players/teams and who they are, what they've been through, and why should we root for them. Instead of just letting the matches played out, give us a bit of drama. Do some interviews with the players, with their friends, and/or with their family.



For example: If KT vs SKT is coming up, can we get a video about the rivalry showing the history through the years? Can we hear the players talk about what this match means to them? Don't just tell us about the rivalry, show it to us.



Edit:

I agree with both of these. Above all else give us a reason to care whether or not these teams win or lose. Make us develop that emotional connection to all the teams, not just the famous teams or top tier players.Let us get to know the players/teams and who they are, what they've been through, and why should we root for them. Instead of just letting the matches played out, give us a bit of drama. Do some interviews with the players, with their friends, and/or with their family.For example: If KT vs SKT is coming up, can we get a video about the rivalry showing the history through the years? Can we hear the players talk about what this match means to them? Don't just tell us about the rivalry, show it to us.Edit: On August 05 2013 16:45 lichter wrote:

7. Custom observer UI. At this point I feel like it should be mandatory for major tournaments to use one.

This, too. The use of custom maps for the BW lobby and team decals was awesome, but on top of that can you guys also use a custom observer UI? The new patch comes with a Blizzard-created "Streamlined" that is the basis for all WCS UI's, or make your own. This, too. The use of custom maps for the BW lobby and team decals was awesome, but on top of that can you guys also use a custom observer UI? The new patch comes with a Blizzard-created "Streamlined" that is the basis for all WCS UI's, or make your own. This Week in SC2 Find out what happened 'This Week in Starcraft 2': http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278126

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