Apple’s third co-founder, Ronald Wayne, has zero regrets about leaving the $750 billion company 41 years ago.

The 86-year-old engineer, who designed Apple’s first logo, currently lives in a small house in Pahrump, Nevada. He’s never owned an Apple product and mailed Motherboard a letter containing a photo of himself after agreeing to be interviewed.

“I have never been heavily involved in computers,” Wayne told Motherboard. “I was a self-taught engineer for the better part of 60 years.”

Wayne met Steve Jobs when the two worked together at Atari and joined him at Apple to help settle a technology argument between him and Steve Wozniack.

“I knew I was standing in the shadow of giants with these kids,” Wayne said. “I was 20 years older than them.” He added that yes, the two had “very different personalities” but that they complemented each other well.

During his brief time with Jobs and Wozniack he wrote the manual to Apple 1 and created the company’s first logo– an illustration of John Newton sitting underneath an apple tree.

“I knew at the time it was not a legit 20th century logo, it was a 19th century logo, but it was fun,” Wayne said. “Everything we did in the beginning was for fun.”

Wayne sold his Apple shares for $800 after the company was incorporated in 1976. It’s estimated they would have been worth $67 billion today. He told Motherboard there were a few reasons he decided to leave but has never regretted the decision because computers weren’t his passion – he wanted to design slot machines.

Since leaving he’s published two books including his autobiography “Adventures of an Apple Founder.” He invests in gold and silver and sells collectors stamps. He doesn’t own an iPhone, let alone a cell phone, except for a prepaid $10 TracFone he keeps in his car “for emergencies” and didn’t own a computer until the mid-90s. An interviewer once gave him an iPad but he gave it to his adopted son. Wayne said that Jobs reached out a couple times after he left, once offering him a job, but he declined.

“Do I regret selling my share of Apple? No, that has been my answer ever since day one and will be my answer until I die,” he said. “If I had stayed with Apple, I would have wound up the richest man in the cemetery.”