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canada munky99999 Member Re: What about the DOS risk it easy to DOS with poor / fake said by Joe12345678:



What about the DOS risk it easy to DOS with poor / fake copyright clams?

What about the DOS risk it easy to DOS with poor / fake copyright clams?



but that's not NSA's issue. Well copyright trolling is going to keep getting worse...but that's not NSA's issue.

your moderator at work hidden :



redxii

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Michigan 1 edit redxii Mod I thought we already had a 3-strike law? At least according to Cox, Suddenlink, and many other US ISPs...



According to Suddenlink, copyright holders have Suddenlink by the throat and only the copyright holder can decide to reconnect users earlier than 6 months.

gorehound

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Portland, ME gorehound Member Re: I thought we already had a 3-strike law? if they did this it would really piss off a lot of folks here.

and our taxes would foot their bill and that will piss off even more folks.

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Tampa, FL brianiscool Member Pirate Bay Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.



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Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels. How many would go to that trouble? 1% ? Less than 1% ? Most people, even die-hard copyright infringers won't go that far.



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said by FFH5:



said by brianiscool:



Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

How many would go to that trouble? 1% ? Less than 1% ? Most people, even die-hard copyright infringers won't go that far. ? Will the uninformed masses join in the boycott? I sure hope so, because that is what it's going to take to make the Fair Use/First Sale point! Boycott Hollywood product, it's not worth our freedom!



Anyway, I think the file-sharers/infringers would, and must do. Just as I think everyone who wants some semblance of their privacy back will begin to do the same with even routine communications. It is not the public's fault government spooks and entertainment exec's have run amuck (or, is it?). A lot of encryption obfuscation will serve them right, and divert resources away from their illegal wars, dreams of hegemony and domestic dictatorship...



Otherwise, we're going to save a lot on prison infrastructure as 24/7/365 surveillance everywhere, and the "cashless" society obviates the need to actually incarcerate most non-violent citizens in special buildings with armed guards when their, and our, homes, offices and public places will serve the same function at a lower price point. You've already had your mugshot taken by the DMV, and the NSA/CIA/FBI/**IA have your ISP/IP, e-mail messages, telephone conversations, health records and financial information. Hell, we'll even be overpaying for our entertainment to be piped in via the forfeitopoly; satellite, cable, FiOS and *gag* uVerse, just like they want. Oh, wait, that's what we already have... So that's the solution to IP megalomania's quandary, eh? Shunning? Who'd a thunkit? How quaint. However, if you are right, will they just STOP CONSUMING as a resultWill the uninformed masses join in the boycott? I sure hope so, because that is what it's going to take to make the Fair Use/First Sale point! Boycott Hollywood product, it's not worth our freedom!Anyway, I think the file-sharers/infringers would, and must do. Just as I think everyone who wants some semblance of their privacy back will begin to do the same with even routine communications. It is not the public's fault government spooks and entertainment exec's have run amuck (or, is it?). A lot of encryption obfuscation will serve them right, and divert resources away from their illegal wars, dreams of hegemony and domestic dictatorship...Otherwise, we're going to save a lot on prison infrastructure as 24/7/365 surveillance everywhere, and the "cashless" society obviates the need to actually incarcerate most non-violent citizens in special buildings with armed guards when their, and our, homes, offices and public places will serve the same function at a lower price point. You've already had your mugshot taken by the DMV, and the NSA/CIA/FBI/**IA have your ISP/IP, e-mail messages, telephone conversations, health records and financial information. Hell, we'll even be overpaying for our entertainment to be piped in via the forfeitopoly; satellite, cable, FiOS and *gag* uVerse, just like they want. Oh, wait, that's what we already have...

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said by FFH5: said by brianiscool:



Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

How many would go to that trouble? 1% ? Less than 1% ? Most people, even die-hard copyright infringers won't go that far.



I suspect it to be much higher then 1%... Actually ssh tunnels and vpns are starting to be standard offering for many smalltime isps. Uber-cheap vps servers also an offer. Also tons of free vpn services and proxy services.I suspect it to be much higher then 1%...



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Us guys on Usenet tend to use SSL so you have a good amount there.

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said by brianiscool:



Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

How many would go to that trouble? 1% ? Less than 1% ? Most people, even die-hard copyright infringers won't go that far. I don't use P2P, and I use SSL encrypted VPN tunnels for just about all internet basec activities.



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said by brianiscool:



Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.



Why do people think a simple vpn is going to save them?



You really think some little vpn host, or any host the vpn is running on, won't bow down and give up everything they have when asked for it?



Even if they don't keep logs, obviously vpn providers will co-op with whatever law enforcement asks of them, and get you if they want you. You still can't hide from the swarm.Why do people think a simple vpn is going to save them?You really think some little vpn host, or any host the vpn is running on, won't bow down and give up everything they have when asked for it?Even if they don't keep logs, obviously vpn providers will co-op with whatever law enforcement asks of them, and get you if they want you.

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Depends on where they're located.

Depends on where they're located. * USA VPN

* Canada VPN

* Mexico VPN

* Panama VPN

* Belize VPN

* South Africa VPN

* Egypt VPN

* Nigeria VPN

* UK VPN

* France VPN

* German VPN

* Sweden VPN

* Spain VPN

* Switzerland VPN

* Ireland VPN

* Italy VPN

* Netherlands VPN

* Austria VPN

* Norway VPN

* Denmark VPN

* Belgium VPN

* Czech VPN

* Poland VPN

* Australia VPN

* New Zealand VPN

* China VPN

* Iran VPN

* India VPN

* Japan VPN

* UAE VPN

* Malaysia VPN

* Singapore VPN

* Korea VPN

* Russia VPN

* Turkey VPN

* Pakistan VPN

* Indonesia VPN

* Thailand VPN

* Philippines VPN

* Hong Kong VPN

* Vietnam VPN

* Israel VPN

* Oman VPN

* Qatar VPN

* Saudi Arabia VPN

* Kuwait VPN You can switch at will to any one you want, and change countries simply by logging into the associated server. I can just see the piggies demanding access to the Pakistan server, yeah right!



Bob Correct! My Cheapie no-logs VPN allows you to use the following countries' VPN servers:You can switch at will to any one you want, and change countries simply by logging into the associated server. I can just see the piggies demanding access to the Pakistan server, yeah right!Bob



vpnchooser

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most of the time they don't keep logs and you never give them your name.



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It is called 'Amoeba' and the program is already available from Google Code!



»code.google.com/p/amoeba ··· ileshare



But the source code is ONLY available through its .onion (Tor Hidden Service) main site. It is written in C# with .Net 4.0



It uses Tor (fully anonymous) & has dream class encryption : ecdh521 + rijindel256 (not aes256, it is the original rijindel256 with 256 bit block size )



Fellow Frenchmen, grab the source code & build the new 'Eiffel Tower of Freedom'!



Pirates will STILL sail through the raging sea



BTW, just wonder why the author ( a Jap.) has a English surname.... Sure, 'an aircraft carrier' is currently 'building' in Japan's Pirate Sea!!It is called 'Amoeba' and the program is already available from Google Code!But the source code is ONLY available through its .onion (Tor Hidden Service) main site. It is written in C# with .Net 4.0It uses Tor (fully anonymous) & has dream class encryption : ecdh521 + rijindel256 (not aes256, it is the original rijindel256 with 256 bit block size )Fellow Frenchmen, grab the source code & build the new 'Eiffel Tower of Freedom'!Pirates will STILL sail through the raging seaBTW, just wonder why the author ( a Jap.) has a English surname....



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said by gatorkram:



said by brianiscool:



Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.



Why do people think a simple vpn is going to save them?



You really think some little vpn host, or any host the vpn is running on, won't bow down and give up everything they have when asked for it?



Even if they don't keep logs, obviously vpn providers will co-op with whatever law enforcement asks of them, and get you if they want you.

You still can't hide from the swarm.Why do people think a simple vpn is going to save them?You really think some little vpn host, or any host the vpn is running on, won't bow down and give up everything they have when asked for it?Even if they don't keep logs, obviously vpn providers will co-op with whatever law enforcement asks of them, and get you if they want you. My ISP "linksys" is very secure, 5 differnt access points on my street. Add a trick or two extra and good luck to who who chase...



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Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels.

Ever since Pirate Bay was attacked. People are now using encrypted VPN tunnels. Your Torrent VPN account will be on our servers which are configured in such a way that your real IP is never stored so there will be no trace of your real IP on our servers.



All your data are transferred in 1024 bit SSL military grade encryption without provider logs. You can surf safe and anonymous. There is practically no bandwidth hit at all, so I now use it for everything. Both Inbound and outbound tcp & utp P2P connections work flawlessly too.



Bob Yup! I use Torrent VPN There is practically no bandwidth hit at all, so I now use it for everything. Both Inbound and outbound tcp & utp P2P connections work flawlessly too.Bob

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join:2009-06-17 MaynardKrebs Premium Member Rubber-hose decryption Simple solution - the US will just pass a UK RIPA-like law at the same time as a 3-strikes law, and add a 'rubber-hose' decryption clause. Americans military, FBI, CIA all have current familiarity with this technique.



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Mullica Hill, NJ 1 recommendation Kearnstd Premium Member Re: Rubber-hose decryption of course, the US government is For the Corporation, By the Corporation.



For the People by the People died years ago when our support for lawmakers became worth less than huge bribes(aka donations) from lobby groups and corporations became more important to them.

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join:2000-08-16 ross7 Member Re: Rubber-hose decryption Yep, the rise of corporate PACs heralded the demise of democracy, and the recent USSC ruling re unlimited corporate contributions tamped the final shovelful on its grave mound. All that's left is the placement of the headstone, and the pious mourning decrying its passing. Wail on, brother, wail on.

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join:2005-01-25 viperlmw Premium Member Re: Rubber-hose decryption said by ross7:



Yep, the rise of corporate PACs heralded the demise of democracy, and the recent USSC ruling re unlimited corporate contributions tamped the final shovelful on its grave mound. All that's left is the placement of the headstone, and the pious mourning decrying its passing. Wail on, brother, wail on.

Yep, the rise of corporate PACs heralded the demise of democracy, and the recent USSC ruling re unlimited corporate contributions tamped the final shovelful on its grave mound. All that's left is the placement of the headstone, and the pious mourning decrying its passing. Wail on, brother, wail on. QFT!



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Simple solution - the US will just pass a UK RIPA-like law at the same time as a 3-strikes law, and add a 'rubber-hose' decryption clause. Americans military, FBI, CIA all have current familiarity with this technique.

Simple solution - the US will just pass a UK RIPA-like law at the same time as a 3-strikes law, and add a 'rubber-hose' decryption clause. Americans military, FBI, CIA all have current familiarity with this technique.



Privacy can be had with little effort and little expense. The more effort is put into watching everyone, the more widespread, cheaper, and easy the circumvention will become.



Bob Yeah right! Open source is International. I can just see the Russians complying with rubber hoses.... BS! There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.Privacy can be had with little effort and little expense. The more effort is put into watching everyone, the more widespread, cheaper, and easy the circumvention will become.Bob

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Yeah right! Open source is International. I can just see the Russians complying with rubber hoses.... BS! There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.



Privacy can be had with little effort and little expense. The more effort is put into watching everyone, the more widespread, cheaper, and easy the circumvention will become.



Bob

Yeah right! Open source is International. I can just see the Russians complying with rubber hoses.... BS! There's no putting the genie back in the bottle.Privacy can be had with little effort and little expense. The more effort is put into watching everyone, the more widespread, cheaper, and easy the circumvention will become.Bob Watch out, all a prosecutor has to do is wire some egold and they will be able to wiretap your "encrypted" communications.



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TamaraB Premium Member Re: Rubber-hose decryption said by patcat88:



Easy, $10000 is 50 times more than ....

Easy, $10000 is 50 times more than ....



Why are you calling these folks criminals? They are providing a legal valuable service shielding people from the real criminals who would erect barriers to the free flow of information and ideas.



Bob It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of technology. The operator is protecting himself by not keeping logs (there is no law forcing him to do so), the tunnel is not readable, even by NSA, certainly not by any corporate entity. the IP/Country of exit changes regularly, so there is a big jurisdictional barrier. There is no link between what is being done and who is doing it to be bought and sold.Why are you calling these folks criminals? They are providing a legal valuable service shielding people from the real criminals who would erect barriers to the free flow of information and ideas.Bob

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It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of technology. The operator is protecting himself by not keeping logs (there is no law forcing him to do so), the tunnel is not readable, even by NSA, certainly not by any corporate entity. the IP/Country of exit changes regularly, so there is a big jurisdictional barrier. There is no link between what is being done and who is doing it to be bought and sold.

It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of technology. The operator is protecting himself by not keeping logs (there is no law forcing him to do so), the tunnel is not readable, even by NSA, certainly not by any corporate entity. the IP/Country of exit changes regularly, so there is a big jurisdictional barrier. There is no link between what is being done and who is doing it to be bought and sold.



I can look up the ASN of your VPN operator, call the ASN owner with egold or wire transfer to Bermuda or Luxembourg or Panama, and he will tell me who owns that machine, and wireshark it for me. Unless your going to layer different 10 privacy VPNs onto of each other, your VPN operator can see ALL of your unencrypted traffic. What assurance do you have that he won't take a bribe from an intelligence service and wiretap you? What proof do you have that the server keeps no logs? Because they say so? Have you gone to the datacenter, taken the HD out, plugged it into your laptop, and looked through it for logging options and former logs? Can you sue a foreign jurisdiction VPN operator for selling you out to an intelligence service or law enforcement?I can look up the ASN of your VPN operator, call the ASN owner with egold or wire transfer to Bermuda or Luxembourg or Panama, and he will tell me who owns that machine, and wireshark it for me.

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Easy, $10000 is 50 times more than the VPN operator or ISP or datacenter will ever make off your "privacy VPN". $10000 for an intelligence service is a rounding error. Criminals will always sell you out if its a good deal for them. Fair enough. But $10,000 is a lot less than any such operator would lose once word gets out that they sell people out. Their business model depends upon living up to their promises.



Don't think word would get out? The VPN provider is the weak link -- they're the logical suspect if VPN traffic is used as evidence for anything.



In other words, the VPN provider has a significant incentive to not play ball with anyone who wants them to spy on people. Fair enough. But $10,000 is a lot less than any such operator would lose once word gets out that they sell people out. Their business model depends upon living up to their promises.Don't think word would get out? The VPN provider is the weak link -- they're the logical suspect if VPN traffic is used as evidence for anything.In other words, the VPN provider has a significant incentive to not play ball with anyone who wants them to spy on people.

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except there's something in the constitution that guarantees your right to privacy



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@verizon.net nyc guy Anon Encrypt it just encrypt the whole drive, have a portion of files and folders tucked away. When pressed for a password by feds or who ever just give them the dummy password, and it will decrypt the dummy files and folders, leaving them thinking they have the real data.



a number of crypt apps do this. also some open source options are available too.



The one thing cia/nsa is scared about is encryption.



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sm5w2

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> you'll likely see three strikes laws passed in the United States.



What the DOJ and other agencies don't want to see is the routine use of encryption between otherwise ordinary people, which just might happen if people want to protect themselves against these 3-strikes laws. Because what the gov't goes after far more often are people trying to hide income, cheat on their taxes, move money around, etc. The last thing that the gov't wants is to see people being booted off the net, because the net is exactly the place where the gov't can watch us all.

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Winterville, NC gatorkram Premium Member Mising the point. Using a vpn only encrypts the data, from your pc, to the vpn endpoint.



All you are really doing, is hiding some activity from your isps end of the connection.



Everything coming out the other end, is open for monitoring.



Do you really think, being inside a large vpn provider is "safe"



What better place for "law" to setup shop, and nail more users, with less effort.



Granted, some effort to hide what you are doing is better than not trying, but a vpn is only one small step.

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join:2008-06-03 FactChecker Premium Member Fool proof way to avoid the issue Set a good example for the next generation and don't steal.



Everything else is an excuse for someone that thinks they are entitled to get something for nothing.



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There are non-idiotic terrorist groups? People who think putting a bomb in a trash can will net them an eternity of virgins?

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Plano, TX RogerDucky Member Re: Spotting terrorists said by Karl Bode : Of course you have to assume most non-idiotic, organized terrorist organizations or criminals already use encryption while communicating skulduggery, making this kind of a moot point.

Actually, no. NSA and the like knows the terrorists uses encryption of some sort, even if it's just a simple cipher.



What they're worried about is the encrypted P2P traffic making it hard to spot those actually trying to hide something important, since way more people's connections would be encrypted. Right now, checking who got an encrypted traffic going someplace "suspicious" is all they really need to spot terrorists. P2P traffic tends to go international also, due to its very nature, and would cause way too many false positives. Actually, no. NSA and the like knows the terrorists uses encryption of some sort, even if it's just a simple cipher.What they're worried about is the encrypted P2P traffic making it hard to spot those actually trying to hide something important, since way more people's connections would be encrypted. Right now, checking who got an encrypted traffic going someplace "suspicious" is all they really need to spot terrorists. P2P traffic tends to go international also, due to its very nature, and would cause way too many false positives.



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Tronna El Quintron Premium Member Haven't we been saying that for years? Security types have been warning about this for some time already.



IP enforcement is usually a game of catching low hanging fruit... meaning: Find the easiest target, where you're most likely to get a conviction.



So most previous convictions used to come from Gnutella-type clients, and then when that became "unsafe" most pirates moved to BitTorrent. Now that BitTorrent is becoming unsafe, pirates are moving to Usenet, and encrypted communications.



An IP litigation contractor is not going to start handing out Anton Pillar orders and subpoenas for VPNs if they can first prosecute someone who's not encrypted or otherwise hidden. These folks are paid for convictions and settlements.



So if a settlement is too costly to obtain, it isn't worth the effort.



Hence why everybody is getting into VPNs, encryption and SSL. I think folks getting these products realize they aren't bullet proof, they just don't want to be the easiest targets available.

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join:2010-10-09 vc4x4toy Member U.S. 3 Strikes law is up and running full-throttle I have Mediacom cable modem used it for at least 5yrs or more. Hooked up a Cisco Linksys wireless hub to hook-up more than 1 family computer. Well to make a long story real short I got booted by Mediacom and their Internet Enforcement Team. Now they stopped my service at the modem access that is, but did they even look into which computer it was maybe my neighbor next door, or the one behind me or maybe someone pulled up in front of my house in the middle of the night to down load the frig'n movie. Hey enforcement team I've got netflix with streaming video. Why would I download some of the lamest movie titles... You may of slowed me down just a little.but I still posted this with my own computer.



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