Nodustnoworries Profile Joined November 2017 1 Post #341



Looks to be relating to news and some sort of analysis of his ban situation.



Anyone able to give us a basic rundown? Much appreciated!



Link Iris just posted something relating to Savior on his YouTube.Looks to be relating to news and some sort of analysis of his ban situation.Anyone able to give us a basic rundown? Much appreciated!

epjx31 Profile Blog Joined February 2008 United Kingdom 324 Posts #342 Thanks jin jin for your nice translations. Really nice summary there. Mind for OSL!

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-27 08:08:52 #343



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=189878&site=sc



+ Show Spoiler + Q. 스타크래프트가 리마스터 버전이 나오면서 뜰 것 같은 기대가 컸어요. 그런데 오히려 인기가 줄어들었다는 말이 많이 나오고 있습니다.

Q: There was a lot of excitement about remastered and its implication on growing the scene. But instead, theres a lot of talk on the popularity decreasing instead.



+ Show Spoiler + 솔직히, 저는 리마스터 이전으로 돌아가고 싶어요. 그때는 아프리카tv BJ들이 모두 흥했거든요. 함께 팀 배틀을 활발하게 진행할 수 있었죠. 제 방송은 이전이나 지금이나 똑같아요. 그런데, 리마스터가 나오면서 서버가 불안해지기 시작했어요. 팀 배틀 진행을 못하면서 힘들어진 BJ들이 많더라고요. 그 분들한테는 팀 배틀에서 몇 번의 승리가 굉장히 중요하거든요. 한 2-3달 동안 팀 배틀을 서버 때문에 못하게 되니까 방송을 제대로 못하게 되는 경우가 생겼습니다.



Flash: To be completely honest, I want to go back to time before remaster release. Then, all the Afreeca streamers were lively. The scene was able to do lively team battles together. My stream, on other hand, has been the same as then and now. However, the servers began to be unstable when remaster first came out. There was also lot of streamers who were in difficult situation due to not being able to continue on with the team battles. To those people, wins in team battles were very important. Since they were not able to do team battle for around 2-3 months due to server instability, there were lot of cases where they were not able to stream properly due to it.



+ Show Spoiler + 현재 서버 문제는 해결됐어요. 그런데 당시 여파가 지금까지 이어지는 분들이 있더라고요. 예전에는 다 같이 잘 됐다면, 지금은 특정 방으로 시청자들이 몰리는 현상이 나타났죠. 물론, 블리자드의 사정도 있겠지만, 너무 늦게 해결된 게 아닌가... 스타크래프트를 좋아하는 팬으로서 리마스터에 정말 큰 기대를 했는데 아쉬움이 컸습니다. 그래도 요새 다시 팀 배틀이 활성화되면서 다시 살아나는 분위기가 형성됐어요.



Flash: As for now, server problems are solved. But the aftermath from then could be felt until today. Before this, everyone did well together, but now, the most viewers tend to congregate into a specific stream instead. Well, Blizzard has their own reasons, but I feel like that the issues were solved too late… As a fan of StarCraft, I looked forward to Remastered a lot, but it was a huge letdown. But even then, the team battles are revived a bit nowadays, and there is an atmosphere of revival.

------

notes:

Interview had other points such as big talk about the issue of Tesagi and how it boomed into bw scene when sea won vs bisu 3:0. Will touch it later if nobody touches it but i have finals week.



team battles are sort of like clan wars, with multiple people obsing in 1 room full of clan members. Included teams such as Moo, Neox, ect. The lagging of the room with multiple people is rather bigger issue than people give credit for, as well as breaking clan system and clan rooms. (Rather minor, but still takes away part of customization)



BJ=broadcast jockey=Streamers

little tibit from the recent flash interview from invenQ: There was a lot of excitement about remastered and its implication on growing the scene. But instead, theres a lot of talk on the popularity decreasing instead.Flash: To be completely honest, I want to go back to time before remaster release. Then, all the Afreeca streamers were lively. The scene was able to do lively team battles together. My stream, on other hand, has been the same as then and now. However, the servers began to be unstable when remaster first came out. There was also lot of streamers who were in difficult situation due to not being able to continue on with the team battles. To those people, wins in team battles were very important. Since they were not able to do team battle for around 2-3 months due to server instability, there were lot of cases where they were not able to stream properly due to it.Flash: As for now, server problems are solved. But the aftermath from then could be felt until today. Before this, everyone did well together, but now, the most viewers tend to congregate into a specific stream instead. Well, Blizzard has their own reasons, but I feel like that the issues were solved too late… As a fan of StarCraft, I looked forward to Remastered a lot, but it was a huge letdown. But even then, the team battles are revived a bit nowadays, and there is an atmosphere of revival.------notes:Interview had other points such as big talk about the issue of Tesagi and how it boomed into bw scene when sea won vs bisu 3:0. Will touch it later if nobody touches it but i have finals week.team battles are sort of like clan wars, with multiple people obsing in 1 room full of clan members. Included teams such as Moo, Neox, ect. The lagging of the room with multiple people is rather bigger issue than people give credit for, as well as breaking clan system and clan rooms. (Rather minor, but still takes away part of customization)BJ=broadcast jockey=Streamers "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

Golgotha Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Korea (South) 8319 Posts #344 Great translation. I saw the a team battle yesterday. Hope they keep doing it.

Deimos Profile Joined June 2009 Mexico 133 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-27 16:48:38 #345



This is the video on Iris youtube channel about SAviOr Return .. a translation will be great, but i think is only to create controversy

FlopTurnReaver Profile Blog Joined January 2010 Switzerland 1971 Posts #346 Team Battles? Like official and stuff? Didn't see any announcement or entry in the event tracker Check out @MapOfTheMonth on Twitter and under http://bit.ly/motmorg

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts #347 Deimos, it's already been posted and it's nothing worth going over. Look at thread before please. "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

KameZerg Profile Blog Joined May 2007 Sweden 1642 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-27 21:18:03 #348 On November 28 2017 01:48 Deimos wrote:

This is the video on Iris youtube channel about SAviOr Return .. a translation will be great, but i think is only to create controversy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp8w4SSMSnc This is the video on Iris youtube channel about SAviOr Return .. a translation will be great, but i think is only to create controversy



He won't even say his name, all Iris calls him is Mr. M He won't even say his name, all Iris calls him is Mr. M https://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/540076-lmaster-how-to-tutorial-series

phyvo Profile Blog Joined April 2009 United States 2378 Posts #349 On November 27 2017 14:42 jinjin5000 wrote:

little tibit from the recent flash interview from inven



http://www.inven.co.kr/webzine/news/?news=189878&site=sc



+ Show Spoiler + Q. 스타크래프트가 리마스터 버전이 나오면서 뜰 것 같은 기대가 컸어요. 그런데 오히려 인기가 줄어들었다는 말이 많이 나오고 있습니다.

Q: There was a lot of excitement about remastered and its implication on growing the scene. But instead, theres a lot of talk on the popularity decreasing instead.



+ Show Spoiler + 솔직히, 저는 리마스터 이전으로 돌아가고 싶어요. 그때는 아프리카tv BJ들이 모두 흥했거든요. 함께 팀 배틀을 활발하게 진행할 수 있었죠. 제 방송은 이전이나 지금이나 똑같아요. 그런데, 리마스터가 나오면서 서버가 불안해지기 시작했어요. 팀 배틀 진행을 못하면서 힘들어진 BJ들이 많더라고요. 그 분들한테는 팀 배틀에서 몇 번의 승리가 굉장히 중요하거든요. 한 2-3달 동안 팀 배틀을 서버 때문에 못하게 되니까 방송을 제대로 못하게 되는 경우가 생겼습니다.



Flash: To be completely honest, I want to go back to time before remaster release. Then, all the Afreeca streamers were lively. The scene was able to do lively team battles together. My stream, on other hand, has been the same as then and now. However, the servers began to be unstable when remaster first came out. There was also lot of streamers who were in difficult situation due to not being able to continue on with the team battles. To those people, wins in team battles were very important. Since they were not able to do team battle for around 2-3 months due to server instability, there were lot of cases where they were not able to stream properly due to it.



+ Show Spoiler + 현재 서버 문제는 해결됐어요. 그런데 당시 여파가 지금까지 이어지는 분들이 있더라고요. 예전에는 다 같이 잘 됐다면, 지금은 특정 방으로 시청자들이 몰리는 현상이 나타났죠. 물론, 블리자드의 사정도 있겠지만, 너무 늦게 해결된 게 아닌가... 스타크래프트를 좋아하는 팬으로서 리마스터에 정말 큰 기대를 했는데 아쉬움이 컸습니다. 그래도 요새 다시 팀 배틀이 활성화되면서 다시 살아나는 분위기가 형성됐어요.



Flash: As for now, server problems are solved. But the aftermath from then could be felt until today. Before this, everyone did well together, but now, the most viewers tend to congregate into a specific stream instead. Well, Blizzard has their own reasons, but I feel like that the issues were solved too late… As a fan of StarCraft, I looked forward to Remastered a lot, but it was a huge letdown. But even then, the team battles are revived a bit nowadays, and there is an atmosphere of revival.

------

notes:

Interview had other points such as big talk about the issue of Tesagi and how it boomed into bw scene when sea won vs bisu 3:0. Will touch it later if nobody touches it but i have finals week.



team battles are sort of like clan wars, with multiple people obsing in 1 room full of clan members. Included teams such as Moo, Neox, ect. The lagging of the room with multiple people is rather bigger issue than people give credit for, as well as breaking clan system and clan rooms. (Rather minor, but still takes away part of customization)



BJ=broadcast jockey=Streamers

little tibit from the recent flash interview from invenQ: There was a lot of excitement about remastered and its implication on growing the scene. But instead, theres a lot of talk on the popularity decreasing instead.Flash: To be completely honest, I want to go back to time before remaster release. Then, all the Afreeca streamers were lively. The scene was able to do lively team battles together. My stream, on other hand, has been the same as then and now. However, the servers began to be unstable when remaster first came out. There was also lot of streamers who were in difficult situation due to not being able to continue on with the team battles. To those people, wins in team battles were very important. Since they were not able to do team battle for around 2-3 months due to server instability, there were lot of cases where they were not able to stream properly due to it.Flash: As for now, server problems are solved. But the aftermath from then could be felt until today. Before this, everyone did well together, but now, the most viewers tend to congregate into a specific stream instead. Well, Blizzard has their own reasons, but I feel like that the issues were solved too late… As a fan of StarCraft, I looked forward to Remastered a lot, but it was a huge letdown. But even then, the team battles are revived a bit nowadays, and there is an atmosphere of revival.------notes:Interview had other points such as big talk about the issue of Tesagi and how it boomed into bw scene when sea won vs bisu 3:0. Will touch it later if nobody touches it but i have finals week.team battles are sort of like clan wars, with multiple people obsing in 1 room full of clan members. Included teams such as Moo, Neox, ect. The lagging of the room with multiple people is rather bigger issue than people give credit for, as well as breaking clan system and clan rooms. (Rather minor, but still takes away part of customization)BJ=broadcast jockey=Streamers



Thanks for the translation. Good luck with your finals! I hope someone translates the talk about tesagi. Tinyland had a translation video of pros discussing it but it wasn't very deep and seemed kind of like they were joking, maybe. A number of people have been complaining regardless, but I just don't see it myself. It'd be nice to hear what Flash thinks. Thanks for the translation. Good luck with your finals! I hope someone translates the talk about tesagi. Tinyland had a translation video of pros discussing it but it wasn't very deep and seemed kind of like they were joking, maybe. A number of people have been complaining regardless, but I just don't see it myself. It'd be nice to hear what Flash thinks. "BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte

BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24439 Posts #350 ^ that tinyland video was pretty bad because it indirectly helped spark tesagi talks. The pros were making jokes and laughing at the complaints yet so many people took it as a serious video and started complaining every time a terran won, not realizing that it's only Flash that seems to go far and win from all the terrans out there.



Thanks jinjin for the translation! Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts #351 On November 28 2017 07:37 BigFan wrote:

^ that tinyland video was pretty bad because it indirectly helped spark tesagi talks. The pros were making jokes and laughing at the complaints yet so many people took it as a serious video and started complaining every time a terran won, not realizing that it's only Flash that seems to go far and win from all the terrans out there.



Thanks jinjin for the translation!



it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

BigFan Profile Blog Joined December 2010 TLADT 24439 Posts #352 On November 28 2017 08:18 jinjin5000 wrote:

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On November 28 2017 07:37 BigFan wrote:

^ that tinyland video was pretty bad because it indirectly helped spark tesagi talks. The pros were making jokes and laughing at the complaints yet so many people took it as a serious video and started complaining every time a terran won, not realizing that it's only Flash that seems to go far and win from all the terrans out there.



Thanks jinjin for the translation!



it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi

Not sure about the KR side but for the foreign scene, I believe that video was the spark here. Not sure about the KR side but for the foreign scene, I believe that video was the spark here. Former BW EiC "Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts #353 On November 28 2017 08:26 BigFan wrote:

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On November 28 2017 08:18 jinjin5000 wrote:

On November 28 2017 07:37 BigFan wrote:

^ that tinyland video was pretty bad because it indirectly helped spark tesagi talks. The pros were making jokes and laughing at the complaints yet so many people took it as a serious video and started complaining every time a terran won, not realizing that it's only Flash that seems to go far and win from all the terrans out there.



Thanks jinjin for the translation!



it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi it wasn't the tiny land video that affected korean tesagi spam tho. It was sea talking about it after he won vs bisu and "acknowledging" Tesagi

Not sure about the KR side but for the foreign scene, I believe that video was the spark here. Not sure about the KR side but for the foreign scene, I believe that video was the spark here.



That is true. But tesagi meme has been prevalent in korea scene since Sea brought that word up That is true. But tesagi meme has been prevalent in korea scene since Sea brought that word up "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

Letmelose Profile Blog Joined September 2006 Korea (South) 2294 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-28 01:57:20 #354 It is indeed disgusting how far people are willing to go just to harass Flash, and it is mostly just a means to get him riled up. Memes about terran being over-powered has been around since forever, but the fact that Flash reacts so emotionally to this jibe did make matters somewhat worse. He gave life to an old, tired meme by adding the element of trolling to it, because his reactions to the comments were a spectacle in itself to the trolls.



Further more, I don't think Flash has been wise with words like Jaedong or Bisu, despite having similar levels of repercussion for every little thing he says. Stork is another icon who created unnecessary drama for himself by being too open with his personal opinions, instead of taking a second to avert avoidable hassle.



I think this issue is more of a dynamic Flash has created between himself and his anti-fans, than anything that is truly related to the actual balance of the game itself. Every legend of the game gets undeserved provocation from their followers, and it is part of being a public figure. Not everyone deals with it in the most prudent manner, and with greater opportunities of the constant back and forth that comes with streaming, every little possible interaction that could go wrong gets amplified to a greater degree. I personally think this has been one of those cases.

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts #355 On November 28 2017 10:53 Letmelose wrote:

It is indeed disgusting how far people are willing to go just to harass Flash, and it is mostly just a means to get him riled up. Memes about terran being over-powered has been around since forever, but the fact that Flash reacts so emotionally to this jibe did make matters somewhat worse. He gave life to an old, tired meme by adding the element of trolling to it, because his reactions to the comments were a spectacle in itself to the trolls.



Further more, I don't think Flash has been wise with words like Jaedong or Bisu, despite having similar levels of repercussion for every little thing he says. Stork is another icon who created unnecessary drama for himself by being too open with his personal opinions, instead of taking a second to avert avoidable hassle.



I think this issue is more of a dynamic Flash has created between himself and his anti-fans, than anything that is truly related to the actual balance of the game itself. Every legend of the game gets undeserved provocation from their followers, and it is part of being a public figure. Not everyone deals with it in the most prudent manner, and with greater opportunities of the constant back and forth that comes with streaming, every little possible interaction that could go wrong gets amplified to a greater degree. I personally think this has been one of those cases.



I see 뱅피셜 every day lmao. I like stork's open book policy but it fuels meme train so hard. I see 뱅피셜 every day lmao. I like stork's open book policy but it fuels meme train so hard. "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

Deimos Profile Joined June 2009 Mexico 133 Posts #356 On November 28 2017 04:09 jinjin5000 wrote:

Deimos, it's already been posted and it's nothing worth going over. Look at thread before please.



Sorry bro, but can me provide a link, because the search engine on TL is bad and i found anything about it! Sorry bro, but can me provide a link, because the search engine on TL is bad and i found anything about it!

Maks Profile Joined December 2010 Ukraine 163 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-28 20:22:15 #357 On November 28 2017 07:37 BigFan wrote:

^ that tinyland video was pretty bad because it indirectly helped spark tesagi talks.



It's even worse. It makes me quit SC after ten years of watching and playing it

But I've got a lot of free time now



It's even worse. It makes me quit SC after ten years of watching and playing itBut I've got a lot of free time now Kim "ZerO" Myung Woon: I think that there is no way to beat a good Terran as Zerg. This is mainly because good mutalisk micro just cannot beat good marine-medic micro.

NoS-Craig Profile Joined July 2011 Australia 2546 Posts #358 Damn, I didn't think that Tinyland video did that much damage. I've liked his videos so far to. Artosis loves Starcraft

Siz)Beggar Profile Joined May 2008 United States 333 Posts #359 look i know everyone hates protoss but can we get some more translations of those <3

jinjin5000 Profile Joined May 2010 Korea (South) 871 Posts #360 On November 29 2017 05:44 NoS-Craig wrote:

Damn, I didn't think that Tinyland video did that much damage. I've liked his videos so far to.



I thought it was fun and reflective of what was going on in korea



trust me, this tesagi meme is hot as fuck in korea. Its not tinyland video doing damage, its just showing glimpse of monster of what Sea's tesagi meme became I thought it was fun and reflective of what was going on in koreatrust me, this tesagi meme is hot as fuck in korea. Its not tinyland video doing damage, its just showing glimpse of monster of what Sea's tesagi meme became "Best Mind Shuttle Best Mind Shuttle" -Telecom, 2010-present, I hate Telecom

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