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LegendaryActivity: 1154Merit: 1012 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons April 30, 2017, 03:08:03 PM #24 I'm under the impression that the whole /r/btc is a private party room of Roger Ver's paid trolls. It seems to be quite a waste of time trying to educate these shills. They are not accessible to rational argument, because they only care about their fiat/shitcoin paycheck.



Franky1 is one prime example for that type of character.



The right way to deal with these enemies of Bitcoin is to sideline them. They are free to construct their centralized Paypal 3.0, but they are not part of the Bitcoin community.

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LegendaryActivity: 2884Merit: 1751 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons April 30, 2017, 04:10:08 PM

Last edit: April 30, 2017, 04:29:35 PM by franky1 #27 Quote from: IIOII on April 30, 2017, 03:08:03 PM

blockstream are the ones that implemented CLTV and CSV to be the paypal-esq features of 3-5 business day funds maturity after withdrawal(cltv after channel close confirm) and chargebacks(csv after channel close confirm)



blockstream want LN as the dominant end goal for bitcoin (multisig channels = permissioned)



please research, and yea that does not mean reading reddit scripts blockstream are the ones that implemented CLTV and CSV to be the paypal-esq features of 3-5 business day funds maturity after withdrawal(cltv after channel close confirm) and chargebacks(csv after channel close confirm)blockstream want LN as the dominant end goal for bitcoin (multisig channels = permissioned)please research, and yea that does not mean reading reddit scripts I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.

Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at

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LegendaryActivity: 924Merit: 1000 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons April 30, 2017, 06:33:14 PM #33 Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 01:18:57 AM Of course Core should have asked the community what they want. Gavin's been saying that for 4 years.



I don't know if you explained this point very clearly Franky..not sure many got it (i'm just getting it now)

even though you've said it 50 times.... but even if you explained it, many Core supporters are just

loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever... they will just scream "stop blocking segwit".



Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.



I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.



Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others. Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others. .. C .. ............ .........

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LegendaryActivity: 1302Merit: 1002Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons April 30, 2017, 08:05:11 PM #34 Quote from: The One on April 30, 2017, 06:33:14 PM Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 01:18:57 AM Of course Core should have asked the community what they want. Gavin's been saying that for 4 years.



I don't know if you explained this point very clearly Franky..not sure many got it (i'm just getting it now)

even though you've said it 50 times.... but even if you explained it, many Core supporters are just

loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever... they will just scream "stop blocking segwit".



Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.



I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.



Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Therein lies the problem.I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Good post.... thanks for sharing that. Mind if I repost on reddit. people will find it interesting.



Good post.... thanks for sharing that. Mind if I repost on reddit. people will find it interesting. proof LN isn't Decentralized official Electron Cash wallet

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LegendaryActivity: 924Merit: 1000 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons April 30, 2017, 08:13:50 PM #35 Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 08:05:11 PM Quote from: The One on April 30, 2017, 06:33:14 PM Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 01:18:57 AM Of course Core should have asked the community what they want. Gavin's been saying that for 4 years.



I don't know if you explained this point very clearly Franky..not sure many got it (i'm just getting it now)

even though you've said it 50 times.... but even if you explained it, many Core supporters are just

loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever... they will just scream "stop blocking segwit".



Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.



I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.



Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Therein lies the problem.I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Good post.... thanks for sharing that. Mind if I repost on reddit. people will find it interesting.





Good post.... thanks for sharing that.people will find it interesting.

No need to ask - freedom of speech, expression, etc. If i don't want my opinion known, then i wouldn't be on here



Check this if it helps.

Example of "Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others." No need to ask - freedom of speech, expression, etc. If i don't want my opinion known, then i wouldn't be on hereCheck this if it helps. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1887619.msg18814437#msg18814437 Example of "Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others." .. C .. ............ .........

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Full MemberActivity: 235Merit: 100 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons May 01, 2017, 07:20:27 AM #36 Quote from: The One on April 30, 2017, 06:33:14 PM Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 01:18:57 AM Of course Core should have asked the community what they want. Gavin's been saying that for 4 years.



I don't know if you explained this point very clearly Franky..not sure many got it (i'm just getting it now)

even though you've said it 50 times.... but even if you explained it, many Core supporters are just

loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever... they will just scream "stop blocking segwit".



Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.



I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.



Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit. So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit.

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Last edit: May 01, 2017, 03:18:48 PM by franky1 #37 Quote from: Rakete4 on May 01, 2017, 07:20:27 AM So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit.



1. tier network of core as upstream filters

2. no fixes because even with 99% users moving funds to segwit keys (taking alot of mempool bloat for months). 1% left over of quadratic/bloat spammers can remain with native keys and cause MORE disruption than ever before (16ksigops instead of 4k). thus no 'fix'

3. the 1mb blockspace will be its own cesspit of native spammers making the 'witness/weight' area not be utilised as promoted

4. promises to remove malleation to lower double spend risk of unconfirmed. but then adds RBF and CPFP to increase double spend risk of unconfirmed

5. due to native tx's even malleation is not 'fixed', just has a 'opt-in' tx type for INNOCENT users to use to disarm themselves from making malleated tx's



concise enough?

1. tier network of core as upstream filters2. no fixes because even with 99% users moving funds to segwit keys (taking alot of mempool bloat for months). 1% left over of quadratic/bloat spammers can remain with native keys and cause MORE disruption than ever before (16ksigops instead of 4k). thus no 'fix'3. the 1mb blockspace will be its own cesspit of native spammers making the 'witness/weight' area not be utilised as promoted4. promises to remove malleation to lower double spend risk of unconfirmed. but then adds RBF and CPFP to increase double spend risk of unconfirmed5. due to native tx's even malleation is not 'fixed', just has a 'opt-in' tx type for INNOCENT users to use to disarm themselves from making malleated tx'sconcise enough? I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.

Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at

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LegendaryActivity: 924Merit: 1000 Re: Andreas redpills /r/btc loons May 01, 2017, 03:17:15 PM #39 Quote from: Rakete4 on May 01, 2017, 07:20:27 AM Quote from: The One on April 30, 2017, 06:33:14 PM Quote from: jonald_fyookball on April 30, 2017, 01:18:57 AM Of course Core should have asked the community what they want. Gavin's been saying that for 4 years.



I don't know if you explained this point very clearly Franky..not sure many got it (i'm just getting it now)

even though you've said it 50 times.... but even if you explained it, many Core supporters are just

loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever... they will just scream "stop blocking segwit".



Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.



I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.



Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

Therein lies the problem. I can safety say that >95% of the loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever don't understand segwit or LN.I was one of them. I freely admit that. I didn't waste any of my time getting involve in the debates of the last 3 years. I did read some of the debates, but i was busy doing other things. Now, there is a "civil war," thus a stalemate. Now I understand Segwit and LN (not 100%) but better than most on here based on their posts. However the more i looked at the previous version of Bitcoin, the more i realised that bit by bit, version by version, it has gone all wrong, especially the how the calculation of fee works. The problem is that the developers are mostly computer programmers, thus do not understand how the real world works and do not understand economics, marketing, accountancy, etc.Hence loyalists/fanboys/zealots/shills/whatever do not understand that bit by bit, bitcoin has established one system for the rich and one system for the poor. Thus cronyism is what bitcoin has become. I believe that we are all equal and no one has the right to harm others - government does this all the time giving state privileges to one small group at the expense of the rest = victims. Bitcoin now function for one group at the expense of others.

So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit.

So many words and not one concise argument against SegWit.

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