A tense phone conversation between a reporter for the Washington Examiner and White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway Kellyanne Elizabeth ConwaySpecial counsel investigating DeVos for potential Hatch Act violation: report George and Kellyanne Conway honor Ginsburg Trump carries on with rally, unaware of Ginsburg's death MORE was published by the newspaper on Thursday.

In the conversation, Conway objected that a story written by the reporter, Caitlin Yilek, mentioned that her husband George Conway George Thomas ConwayGeorge and Kellyanne Conway honor Ginsburg Lincoln Project releases new ad blasting Trump as 'a horrible role model' George Conway hits Trump on 9/11 anniversary: 'The greatest threat to the safety and security of Americans' MORE is a fierce critic of President Trump Donald John TrumpFederal prosecutor speaks out, says Barr 'has brought shame' on Justice Dept. Former Pence aide: White House staffers discussed Trump refusing to leave office Progressive group buys domain name of Trump's No. 1 Supreme Court pick MORE on Twitter.

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Conway's assistant, Tom Joannou, reached out to Yilek on Tuesday night requesting her phone number without specifying a topic or agenda for the call. Joannou called Yilek on Wednesday morning and began the conversation before Conway "took over the call," per an Examiner story recounting the chain of events.



"Conway took over the call, initiating a new conversation without any agreement that it was off the record. The Washington Examiner is publishing audio and a transcript of the full exchange," the Examiner wrote in the Thursday story that includes the entire transcript of the call.

“I just am wondering why in God’s earth you would need to mention anything about George Conway’s tweets in an article that talks about me as possibly being chief of staff,” Conway said during a phone call with Yilek.

Yilek is a former reporter at The Hill.

“Other than it looks to me like there’s no original reporting here, you just read Twitter and other people’s stuff, which I guess is why you don’t pick up the phone when people call from the White House because if it’s not on Twitter or it’s not on cable TV, it’s not real,” Conway said.

Conway later pressed Yilek on what was newsworthy about her husband. Yilek replied that it was "relevant context.”

“I know it’s just for clicks, but you’re going to have to give me, like, a journalistic reason here, especially if you admit that you just are repeating what another news source said and the president disputed that anyway," Conway said, according to the Examiner transcript.

"So, it’s sort of, like, doubly embarrassing. There’s no original reporting,” Conway declared. “If you’re going to call yourself a reporter, let’s see some reporting. There’s no original reporting, and then, it’s just lazy.

“Respectfully, of course, it’s just lazy to talk about somebody’s Twitter feed. Do you talk about other people’s spouses in your pieces, because I’ve been looking around, I haven’t learned a single thing from any of your pieces, and I’m just wondering if you routinely talk about people’s spouses?” Conway asked. “Why is it relevant here? George’s position is what?”

After the reporter said she would be happy to allow Conway to talk to her editor, Conway replied: “Let me tell you something, from a powerful woman. Don’t pull the crap where you’re trying to undercut another woman based on who she’s married to.

"He gets his power through me, if you haven’t noticed," Conway said. "Not the other way around. And if these are the, quote, standards, unquote, at the Washington Examiner, then yes, I’d be happy to talk to your editor. But I’ve known your editor since before you were born. So, I can call your editor either way. I’m just trying to give you a chance to explain why you think what you wrote qualifies as breaking news or reporting.”

“I don’t know that I have to explain that to you," Yilek replied. "I’m just trying to do my job and what my editor tells me to do.”

“You don’t have to rely upon the men in your life and pretend somehow by way of reporting that I rely on the men in my life, which clearly isn’t the case," Conway shot back.

The more than seven-minute conversation went viral on social media, prompting several responses from other journalists.

This speaks for itself in a thousand ways. https://t.co/84s3Mw8tuP — Philip Bump (@pbump) October 24, 2019

oh man. this leaked phone call is...something. kellyanne conway tells the reporter to not rely on the men in her life and eventually threatens to investigate the reporter's personal life. https://t.co/37TjYXtbAL — Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) October 24, 2019

This is....amazing. And, lordy, there are tapes.

https://t.co/wOH0qYCRf3 — Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) October 24, 2019

man, good for the examiner https://t.co/cEeLe5bfZC — Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) October 24, 2019

The last part of the call includes Conway broaching Yilek's personal life as fair game to explore.

“Listen, if you’re going to cover my personal life, then we’re welcome to do the same around here," Conway told her.

The Hill has reached out to the White House for comment.