Considering we barely saw or heard from Brenda Lowe in the first half of the Survivor: Caramoan season, we never expected her to be a part of one of the most gut-wrenching blindsides in recent memory. But there she was getting voted out by the person whose teeth she found. The same person whom she initially invited to join her for the loved ones reward. And the same person she had been offering round-the-clock friendship and support for during many an emotional breakdown. And that person was Dawn.

On the latest InsideTV Podcast, Brenda calls in to talk about the “painful eye-opener” of being voted out by the person she counted on the most. (Unbeknownest to her, Dawn actually had a stronger alliance with Cochran.) “It really hurt,” says Brenda, who goes on to reveal that while Dawn has attempted to reach out to her since the show wrapped last June, she has not responded to the woman that voted her out. What will happen when they share a stage at Sunday’s reunion then? Listen in and find out! Brenda also goes on to talk about what it was like to make Jeff Probst cry, why she never considered throwing the loved ones challenge, and the thing that surprised her the most watching the episodes back on TV. It’s a must-listen for any Survivor fan.

Then we talk to another ousted reality show beauty: Marilu Henner! Marilu was fired on the last All-Star Celebrity Apprentice after her Foxwoods party suite fell flat thanks to an overemphasis on chess (among other things.) Now, Marilu comes in to spill secrets on everything that goes on both inside and outside of the Boardroom. Plus: Is the game rigged against women? I pose that question to the former Taxi star and you may be surprised by her answer.