I think it was time for us to stop. "Terror Twilight" was our last record, and the one we had the least amount of confidence in. I sensed the whole year when we were on tour that Stephen in particular was unhappy, and I hate to make people do anything they don't want to do. ... In Pavement, he was making a lot of the music himself, then bringing it to the table, and I think it was a huge frustration to him. Especially towards the end, it wasn't particularly collaborative. He's one of my best friends, and I'm just very happy that he got what he wanted artistically. I think he would've really suffered artistically if he'd continued doing Pavement.