Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) said he didn’t know if President Obama’s birth certificate was genuine.

In an interview with Parade Magazine, Perry said he has no reason to think otherwise that the president was born in the United States. But pushed further for a more definitive answer, Perry said he couldn’t be sure that Obama’s long-form birth certificate, which was released earlier this year, was real.

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When told that he had seen the birth certificate, Perry questioned that, according to a transcript of the interview put out by the magazine.

“I don’t know. Have I?” said Perry.

Asked if he believed in the document that’s been released, the governor said he didn’t know.

“I don’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump Donald John TrumpFive takeaways from Trump-Biden debate clash The Memo: Debate or debacle? Democrats rip Trump for not condemning white supremacists, Proud Boys at debate MORE the other night,” Perry said. “He doesn’t think it’s real."

“I don’t have any idea. It doesn’t matter. He’s the president of the United States. He’s elected. It’s a distractive issue,” Perry added.