At the end of the day it’s really about your audience — if they forgive Louis and Aziz, then there’s nothing we can really do about that. My question always is, what should we be doing about it? Because if I don’t ever want to watch him again or you don’t ever want to watch him again, it’s just your choice. If Bill Cosby did a set one day where he just said, “Look man, I’m tired of this,” and just went on a rant — said whatever the hell he wanted to say, I think people would have been like, “All right, let’s see what he says, though.” That’s what made Richard Pryor brilliant. Richard didn’t mind talking about all the crazy things he did. Can you imagine Richard Pryor in 2018?

CARMICHAEL I love Rel so much because he’s such an out of the frying pan, into the fire type of guy. With that answer he was like, “I see your Louis C. K., and I’ll raise you Bill Cosby.”

Louis and Aziz are different, though —

CARMICHAEL It is different. Truly, it’s a personal preference for you to support or listen to what they have to say or not, right? The court of public opinion doesn’t have a jail to put anybody in, so I don’t know exactly what we’re directing this outrage at. If you feel like they came back too soon, I don’t know what amount of time is right. If you don’t support them, then just don’t support them. That’s kind of all you can do. I can’t see much past that.

HOWERY That’s real.

With Louis it seems like the question is, what has he done to atone for it? He admitted that he did what he was accused of, but when you think of the women —

CARMICHAEL That’s when it gets hard.

Yeah.

CARMICHAEL When someone does wrong and it operates outside of the parameters of the justice system, then it’s on us, the public, to figure out first among ourselves how to deal with it. I’m saying I don’t have the answer. If people were hurt, then you always want to have empathy for that and understand that people are going through pain, and there are victims attached to it. At the same time, these people have audiences that still want to hear what they have to say, and there’s not much you can do about it. There really isn’t.

Would you work with Louis in the future?

CARMICHAEL Rel?

HOWERY If we did a show on me going to see Louis C. K., and they only have backstage passes.