Look out! It’s a Vergecast takeover. Paul Miller and Chris Plante run the show now. Who are these guys? Rebels.

Okay, what actually happened is a total Apple-bonanza in a special crossover episode of Ctrl-Walt-Delete and the Vergecast. That’s where you can hear people you know and love like Nilay, Dieter, Lauren, and Walt talk about headphone jacks. Listen to that for sure.

But if you want to talk about 4K HDR video games, you’ve come to the right place! In this week’s "official" but totally underground Vergecast episode we’re talking about Sony’s PlayStation 4 Pro and little else. Is that cool with you? We hope you don’t mind... rebellion.

02:46 – Microsoft at E3 this year

05:00 – Sony event this week

17:05 – 4K Blu-ray? (No.)

19:15 – PlayStation VR

26:20 – Autodesk Graphic ad

27:40 – Mario!

33:38 – The Wonderful Wizard of OZ

35:30 – Ashley's weekly segment "iPhone 7"

36:15 – Squarespace ad

Whether you prefer fighting the system or just love playing by the rules, The Verge has more weekly podcasts you'll love to listen to. They include Ctrl-Walt-Delete with Walt Mossberg and Nilay Patel, which dives deep into tech; Verge ESP with Emily Yoshida and Liz Lopatto, which blurs the lines between science and entertainment; and What's Tech? with Christopher Thomas Plante, which explains technology in layman's terms. You might also want to check out Recode Decode, hosted by Kara Swisher, and Too Embarrassed to Ask hosted by Lauren Goode! You can find them all in iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts nowadays.