User Info: bigmuffpi bigmuffpi 12 years ago #1

thanks. Hey, I was wondering if there existed somewhere a sortof comparison of Perfect Works and the Xenosaga series. I realize that they're not connected but I'd love to see how close they actually are.thanks.

User Info: Njolin Njolin 12 years ago #2 There are only thematic connections. Sort of how the Lord of the Rings has thematic similarities to...well, anything involving orcs or elves or what have you.



Not really worth a comparison.

User Info: Yuriev Yuriev 12 years ago #3 Are you talking about the timeline of "Episode I" in PW and Xenosaga? In which case I might be able to type up something.

User Info: bigmuffpi bigmuffpi (Topic Creator) 12 years ago #4 yeah =)

User Info: Yuriev Yuriev 12 years ago #5 Unfortunately I'm lacking a proper Xenosaga timeline outlined. I made one myself after Episode I based on info in the database and the ODM but it's incomplete. I will add the info I've gathered since then into it but it may still lack some information. Since this is the Xenogears board I will use the Perfect Works timeline as the base for the comparison (in bold letters)

User Info: Yuriev Yuriev 12 years ago #6 There are major SPOILERS for both series.

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TIMELINE



Xenogears

Xenosaga



A.D 2001:

The eye part of the Zohar is discovered deep within a bed of sedimentary rock that is approximately 3.9 billion years old. The mere circumstances of its discovery remain an enigma; finding such an object out of sheer fortuity seems nigh impossible.

A.D 20XX:

Zohar is discovered at an ancient ruin site in Lake Turkana - A lake located at the northern tip of Kenya. The research team, lead by Dr. Misuda, was funded by Vector industries who knew exactly what they were looking for.



A.D 20XX-????:

After the discovery analysis of the object was carried out on an international scale, however, the project would meet with funding issues and would ultimately wind up abandoned. Through Carbon-dating, the age of the object was determined to be over 15.0 billion years, confirming that it had been present at the birth of the universe. Discovered to possess a considerable amount of a substance which causes magnetic anomalies and emiting a strong magnetic field of its own the object was then referred to as 'MAM' (Magnetic Abnormal Matter) out of convenience. Any remaining analysis of the object would be left to private\voluntary researchers who would eventually come up with the name "Zohar" for the object.

A.D 20XX-????:

After the discovery Zohar was transported to an undisclosed research facility in Canada whose address was not recorded. Here, analytical research examination was conducted. A Zohar activation experiment came to be conducted after the Vector Industries corporation Zohar Research Group Chief, Grimoire Verum, made a Zohar control program based on ancient recordings called Lemegeton which Vector had come into possession of. A link experiment between a human and the Zohar was performed. It was Grimoire's daughter Nephilim who was linked, and she vanished. When that happened, Abel appears.



A.D 2510:

The Space Emigration Plan aimed for absolute emigration to the stars within 15 years and was of international importance. This project was managed by the "Executive Committee" and to adorn their founding, a new calendar was adopted-the T.C. (Transcend Christ) calendar. Additionally, the standard calendar was renewed, with 365 days totaling one "standard star year."

A.D ????:

Even after Nephilim vanished, the link experiment continued, and they were successful in activating the Zohar. However, the energy that flowed from there was not something that humanity could control, and it was seen by humanity as nothing but the Zohar going berserk.



T.C 0016:

16 years after the establishment of the "Executive Committee", people's long-cherished wish was finally being realized-though it was delayed by about 500 standard star years-the emigrant fleet was released from Earth's gravity, where it began its long journey through abysmal space. Thereafter, the Earth came to be known as the "Forbidden Land," [Lost Jerusalem] and became inaccessible. Though the reasons remain unclear, sudden environmental changes were not considered to be a factor.

A.D ????/T.C 00XX:

A matter shift broke out over all of Earth, and its range of effect began to expand. In order to avoid its expanding, Earth was sealed by the hand of Wilhelm, preventing the matter shift from spreading and it was contained as a local matter shift, reducing Earth down to Planck Scale. When this was happening, and as humanity was escaping to the universe, Wilhelm recovered the Vessels of Anima from Rennes-le-Chateau. However, he could not simultaneously recover the body of Animus (Maria). Earth was thereafter known as "Lost Jerusalem".

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User Info: Yuriev Yuriev 12 years ago #7 That's it for the Earth 2000 era timeline. We don't get much specific info from either series sourcebooks on the specifics of the emigration from Earth. Before i go on with the rest of the timeline I'd like to analyze this for a moment.



The major difference here is that the Zohar in 'Gears has magnetic properties, can be carbon-dated, and will eventually harness the power to actualize potential future phenomena in order to produce power while the Zohar in 'Saga is something like a door that connects the Higher dimension to the Lower. Activating the Zohar opens that door, and the vast energy possessed by a Higher-Domain existence pours through the Zohar into the Dimensional Universe. While both Zohar's existed since the beginning of the universe, it is unknown if mankind in 'Saga is aware of this or not. Also, it appears that in 'Gears the Zohar was discovered for the first time in man's history, while in 'Saga the Zohar had already been in possession of humans once in ancient times. It is unknown where they originally found it.



Unfortunately PW avoids anything resembling a plot in the timeline apart from dropping obscure hints that the Zohar discovery may not have been accidental, etc.

User Info: Yuriev Yuriev 12 years ago #8 T.C 0294:

After wandering the stars for approximately 250 years, the emigrant fleet locates a planet that may be suitable for life in the M24 Star Cluster proximal to the "Archer," constellation, Sagittarius. This planet became humanity's new hope and is called "Neo Jerusalem." Eventually, the emigrant fleet lands on and settles this planet.



T.C 0295:

The inauguration of the Galaxy Federation Government. "Neo Jerusalem" became the Galaxy Federation Government's first capital planet. The managerial organization of the space emigrants, the "Executive Committee," was reorganized and later integrated into the Galaxy Federation Government and the election of the first chairman began. From here on, "Neo Jerusalem" would be thought of as an outpost for mankind, as it slowly continued its exploration of the cosmos.



There are no dates in Xenosaga corresponding to this from what I can recall, but that isn't very relevant anyway. The event seems to be the same and from there humanity [in Xenosaga] starts to settle and expand throughout the cosmos with the use of the UMN. They abandon "Neo Jerusalem" because a war broke out, then settled on "Second Jerusalem" until a conflict resulted in the move to "Third Jerusalem" etc... until the Galaxy Federation finally establish themselves on "Fifth Jerusalem" in a different galaxy. In PW, however, it appears that "Neo Jerusalem" remains the base for humanity.

User Info: KainDjinn KainDjinn 12 years ago #9 A.D 2001:

The eye part of the Zohar is discovered deep within a bed of sedimentary rock that is approximately 3.9 billion years old. The mere circumstances of its discovery remain an enigma; finding such an object out of sheer fortuity seems nigh impossible.

A.D 20XX:

No one was left who could remember how it had happened, how the world had fallen under darkness. At least no one who would do anything. No one who would oppose the robots. No one who would challenge their power, or so Dr. Wily believed...



Twenty Floors above the dark streets of the city, Dr. Light lived in a run-down tenement. An eccentric and brilliant man, Light was a loner, a thinker, a man of ideas. Ideas forbidden in Wily's society. The society for which he worked. The society in which he lived. The society that he would set free. And so Light worked, far into the night, when the watchful eyes of Wily's robots weren't upon him. He'd set his skillful hands to the task of creating a device to bring about a change, to create a machine to bring freedom, to create a man to save the world. Twelve years Light worked and on a cold night in the year 200X, Protoman was born. A perfect man, an unbeatable machine, hell-bent on destroying every evil standing between man and freedom, built for one purpose, to destroy Wily's army of evil robots. Ready, willing, prepared to fight.



*ahem* I saw 20XX and immediately thought of the Blue Bomber. =D "You play cute, you die ugly." -darth254

Gamertag: Kain Djinn (I'm consistent =P) No one was left who could remember how it had happened, how the world had fallen under darkness. At least no one who would do anything. No one who would oppose the robots. No one who would challenge their power, or so Dr. Wily believed...Twenty Floors above the dark streets of the city, Dr. Light lived in a run-down tenement. An eccentric and brilliant man, Light was a loner, a thinker, a man of ideas. Ideas forbidden in Wily's society. The society for which he worked. The society in which he lived. The society that he would set free. And so Light worked, far into the night, when the watchful eyes of Wily's robots weren't upon him. He'd set his skillful hands to the task of creating a device to bring about a change, to create a machine to bring freedom, to create a man to save the world. Twelve years Light worked and on a cold night in the year 200X, Protoman was born. A perfect man, an unbeatable machine, hell-bent on destroying every evil standing between man and freedom, built for one purpose, to destroy Wily's army of evil robots. Ready, willing, prepared to fight.*ahem* I saw 20XX and immediately thought of the Blue Bomber. =D