BOB WOODWARD: On Traffic-gate, or whatever it is -- I mean, what's this about? That's what's so shocking. If you think, there are 200 million Americans with driver's licenses. You get caught in a traffic jam and you go in and you say, oh, there aren't enough roads or there's too much construction or they don't time the lights right. Unthinkable, at least to me, that some politician or some political group is engineering this for political purposes. And George Will always makes the point which is right here there is too much governing. There are people in that office sitting around saying -- I just don't get the idea that anyone could say let's engineer a traffic jam. Fort Lee, New Jersey is in New Jersey and this is the governor's office somehow saying let's penalize these people? It is a form --



JOHN ROBERTS: So you don't buy the whole controversy?



WOODWARD: I buy it. I think it's lodged in people's minds because they're saying this is a dirty trick off the charts, we've never seen one like that. And I think the reporting is going to get to the issue of what did Christie know and not know. But it's also going to deal with who -- where was the meeting, the discussion saying let's do this, let's engineer a traffic jam? Was there anyone in that office who said I vote no?