The world has come a long way since Wolfenstein 3D, and even longer since Castle Wolfenstein in 1981. John Romero, one of the founding members of id Software, who developed Wolfenstein 3D back in 1992, doesn’t work on the series any more, but he still keeps an eye on it, and thinks MachineGames’s take on the series, with Wolfenstein: The New Order and Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, is the best it has ever been.

“I feel that this new one is basically gonna be like what Doom did for the Doom franchise,” Romero told us in an interview at the Fun & Serious Game Festival 2017, “[it will] revitalise the franchise. And Wolfenstein has been a really great franchise. There have been more Wolfenstein games, I think, than Doom games. And this new one is basically the best.”

Despite MachineGames taking a new angle on Wolfenstein, it’s all a part of the experimentation that Romero and id Software tried back in the 1990s. “The stuff that we did, like Spear of Destiny, that was the last Wolfenstein game that we made back then, in that era. And that was touching on some of the crazy Hitler stuff with the magical, you know, he believed in these artifacts that would give him power.

“And that was great fuel for the rest of the series even though we ended it there, at that point. So what they’ve done is amazing – pretending that Nazis are all over the US now, and alternate timeline stuff, I think it’s awesome. I like what they’ve done with it. I like that they’re experimenting with these story lines.”

So, even if that bit in Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus is wild (and, if you’ve played it, you almost certainly know what bit that’s referring to), Romero feels it’s a flattering continuation of id Software’s experimentation. What’s weirder, the magic of Spear of Destiny or [redacted]?

Of course, it’s hard to talk about Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus without referring to how it is seen as a not-so-subtle allegory to the presence of alt-right communities in the United States and around the world. Romero, though, doesn’t see links between Nazis in Wolfenstein and real-world alt-right threats as a huge part of the series.

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“It’s like ‘What? Really? It’s coming back, that’s stupid’. But I mean it’s a game, so… just like, it’s a little more relevant now but I think it might only be more relevant because now the news is at lightning speed. So when anything happens, no matter what it is, you hear about it. So even if the Nazi menace is super minor, any instance of it gets blown up all over social media and stuff, so everyone thinks it’s bigger than it actually is.”

Back in the 1990s, it was also a different culture for Romero and the team at id Software. “There was no internet, so you didn’t have to worry about that. Print media was mostly what we read, and we were not really affected by what anybody thought about our games either. In fact, when we were making Spear of Destiny the publisher that we were making it for said, ‘don’t stir up that World War Two stuff’. And we’re like ‘what? Indiana Jones and all these other movies, seriously? They don’t stir up… we’re doing it. You either take the game or you don’t get the game’.

“And that was it. We’re going to make it and it’s going to go out and then we’re going to make the next game. We’re going to do whatever we want and we don’t care if people like it, and if they don’t then don’t buy it. That was our attitude the whole time.”