Thanks guys. The firm version isn't getting much action. Understandable. However, if you enjoy a challenge I suggest giving this on a try. The greens are firm but have been slowed down a touch and the FW dropped down to medium firmness so it doesn't play over the top at all. I had a really good round going the other day but it all fell apart with 2 bogies on the final 2 holes to end up -5.