Sam Harris just posted this awesome conversation between him and Joseph Goldstein. If you don’t know who either of those people are, what the fuck is wrong with you? No, seriously — did you grow up under a rock?

Just kidding. There are innumerable reasons you might be so ignorant.

Regardless, if you have any interest in meditation or just wonder why anyone might continue doing something so boring and hard, this conversation is golden. Check it out!

Or remain forever a helpless pawn of Hatred, Desire, and Delusion…