snowflake: I like how the genders are Male, Female, & Transgender....and it doesn't give FtM or MtF

snowflake: That's fucking stpid

jake: At least transgender is an option

abby: yeah it wasn't for awhile :/

jake: Thats more than you see on most sites

me: this might be a stupid question, but if you are trans identifying as x, why don't you just put x rather than complicating it?

Shitlord: I'm so confused are u a trans ?

snowflake: Yeah

snowflake: You're cis aren't you....?

Shitlord: Are all of u trans ?

snowflake: Yeah you're cis

snowflake: No

abby: No xD

snowflake: I'm trans male

me: if you identify as male, why not just tick male instead of saying trans male

jake: Shes saying just put male

snowflake: @me Because there are medical things

jake: Why would you assume that were all trsnsgender?

me: true, but does anyone on the internet need to know exactly what is downstairs?

snowflake: Yeah that was fucking stupid

snowflake: Omg

Shitlord: Cause ur all talking a out it

me: (i know, dramatic simplification)

snowflake: You are so cis

jake: I agree with @me

snowflake: Fuck it

me: i mean, the only real benefit of gender on a sign up is to know what pronoun to use.

abby: btw I don't understand why gender matters besides pgp.

jake: Idek what pgp is

abby: preferred gender pronoun(s). Yeah but basically I meant what @me said xD

jake: Gender matters because you gotta know if youre the stick of the hole and if you wanna rub sticks or rub holes or put stick in holes

jake: Yknow

Jess: oh gosh.....

me: not when you are only talking online

abby: Oh I was meaning for online

me: gender is the identity, sex is what is between the legs

abby: ^

snowflake: You are all dumb

snowflake: Omg

me: rub sticks/holes is sexual orientation

Shitlord: what she said is trye

me: not the same as gender identity

snowflake: ok

snowflake: Stfu

jake: I thought sex and gender were the same thing

snowflake: Y'all are making me mad

snowflake: You literally don't understand anything

me: and this is why so many cis people have given up trying to talk to trans

snowflake: Sex is X and Y chromosomes

snowflake: There are 6 X and Y chromosome pairs

snowflake: So there are 7 genders. And one of them is a lack there of.

snowflake: There's XY, XX, XO, XXX, XXY, & XYY. So yes

snowflake: There are 6 sexes

Shitlord: 2 real genders the others are jut kinda

snowflake: @Shitlord You are stupid

snowflake: so fucking dumb

jake: I think there are like 5 real genders

abby: Yeah even ik that's ignorant xD

Shitlord: no I'm not sorry if the whole world doesn't agree with ur trans talk

snowflake: Fucking white cis people

Shitlord: bitch

James: No actually it's 2 real genders, or that you talk about the most

Shitlord: ^^

snowflake: Gender is a social construct....

jake: Nah theres boy girl, girl who wants to be a boy, boy who wants to be a girl, both, and none

Shitlord: That is the truth

snowflake: Sex is biological

me: that right there is why we have given up talking to trans people

jake: Theyre angry @me

snowflake: Because you guys just like...refuse to understand

me: it is straight to insult, and each fucking individual has a different definition

Jess: everybody is who they are end of story

Shitlord: Thank u

jake: I'm a real boy

James: Why are you guys even discussing this?

Shitlord: we try but u guys r just really complicated and it can get annoying

me: because someone complained that the only options were m, f or trans

jake: Because only have 3 gender options instead of 6

snowflake: I'm a real boy too.

James: "everybody is who they are end of story" yes, exactly

Jess: @Shitlord oh, im not agreeing with the only 2 genders comment, i just think that if someone wants to have a different gender then they should be allowed to do so without being judged

Shitlord: But I think that we all have our opinions and they need to accept mine then I'll accept theres

snowflake: But the FACT is that there are more than two genders so like

snowflake: You're wrong both ways.

abby: @jake There are more than that honestly, but I'm gonna shut up now xD

snowflake: Lol

jake: More than 6?

Jess: I give up, fuck this rn

Ash: Guys it's not that hard to understand. Biological sex is your reproductive organs Gender is how you feel or want to look. Which is subjective and mostly individual.

Shitlord: No I'm not and u don't even look like a guy you look like a girl who is jut really skinny with short hair

snowflake: WTF

snowflake: Now you're being transphobic

jake: Its not about whats on the outside. Its what your brain thinks

Shitlord: no I'm stating what I see

Ash: How am I being transphobic? o-o

jake: snowflake brain is a boy so physical whatever doesnt matter

James: yeah, that wasn't something nice to say

snowflake: I'm a boy.

jake: not you @Ash

snowflake: And you can fuck yourself XD

Shitlord: I'm stating what I see

snowflake: I'm stating what I know

James: if he/she wants to be he/she then nobody should complain

anon3693: Why don't you all STFU. You all clearly disagree and no one is really on another persons opinion and it is going around in circles. Why not just accept you just don't fucking know.

Jess: @Shitlord bitch, snowflake is allowed to be here, she is just like any of the rest of us so just fuck off

snowflake: HE

Ash: Like why does this even matter. Let people be whatever they want to be. You're not fucking/dating them it doesn't matter. >.> Stay out of stuff that's not your business.

James: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Stop being rude @Shitlord

Jess: @snowflake sorry snowflake, i was ranting

Shitlord: ALL SHE FUCKING DOES IS TALK ABOUT IM A GIY BLAH BLAH BLAH LIKE SToP FOR ONCE PLEASE

snowflake: Especially trans men

Shitlord: WATEVER

jake: the worst part is shes not even a troll shes just ignorant

Jess: exactly

Ash: People get so hung up on the semantics it's so trivial. @Shitlord Stop purposely misgendering him. You come across like a cunt and you're going to be treated like one.

snowflake: @Ash (ily)

Shitlord: I don't like them talking about it constantly its annoying

Shitlord: K

Jess: @Shitlord shut up, no one asked your opinion

Ash: @Shitlord Than please gtfo. Do you have any idea how alienated transpeople are in the world?

Shitlord: yep

Shitlord: and no

Ash: Let them have one place to chat with other people for god sakes

Ash: You can't just shove people in a box and push them a way when it inconveniences you

Jess: @Shitlord they are who they are, you need to get over yourself

Shitlord: theres the Jenners there obviously not is isolated

Ash: and pull them out when you want to play

snowflake: b/c they are rich!

snowflake: And famous

snowflake: And Catilyn is getting a lot of shit

snowflake: already

snowflake: Soooooo

Shitlord: theres showrs on trans people now THERW NOT FUCKING ISOLATED

jake: If I could strangle people over the internet -_-

snowflake: HAh

snowflake: Ok

Ash: @Shitlord First of all Katherine is the minority. They're more priveleged. Not every transperson can avoid hormone therapy and corrective surgery

Jess: @Shitlord you are judging people, which is a boochie fucking move. Just gtfo, no one wants your ignorant ass here

snowflake: Afford

snowflake: Yeah

Ash: afford yeah sorry >.<

me: honestly, transpeople do seem to do alot of the alienating themselves

Ash: o____o you're shitting me right?

snowflake: :I

me: like, innocent questions without malice are constantly met with anger

snowflake: ::::::IIIIIIIIIII

hungerpoint95: Excuse me?

me: of course we fucking give up trying to talk

snowflake: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

snowflake: :I

Ash: It's you people who don't like them and are making a big deal. Why can't you just use male pronouns? Why do you have to argue about this for 20 minutes?

Shitlord: Just stop talking about it for one goddamn day

Ash: nope

me: i have no once used a female pronoun

Ash: it's their life

me: i simply asked why not tick male instead of demanding ftm?

Ash: It's not fair that everyone else can talk about their lives and than they can't.

me: again, not saying that they cant

Ash: @me Why do you demand they check off male?

Ash: Why does it matter to you?

Ash: How does it affect you?

Shitlord: i don't care there not really a man or WATEVER they r unless they have those parts scientist proven

Ash: Here's a tip: it doesn't

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jake: @me I get what youre saying but i think the reason for that is because all the hate transpeople get so like they get threatened by anyone sort of asking about it because they think itll lead to hate or judgement

me: i never said that, i asked why it was an issue that ftm/mtf was not an option

me: i did not ever say that trans must tick what they identify as

snowflake: Just saying

James: Ohlord

snowflake: People like you are the reason trans people dissociate

me: ditto

snowflake: And why so many trans kids kill themselves

Shitlord: So like what r u originally I'm guessing a girl

Ash: I don't understand why people who have no gender/identity issues feel like people that are trans/etc owe them an answer

Jess: OHMIGAWD People leave each other alone

me: not saying we are owed an answer

snowflake: No

Ash: @me You wanted an answer so...?

snowflake: I'm a boy.

me: but when you complain that we are doing something wrong, there are responses beyong "OMG YOURE ALL SO FUCKING IGNORANT FUCK YOU ALL"

jake: I think we are owed an answer if snowflake gets pissed when we dont understand something and calls us stupid

snowflake: Because you are.

me: which seems to be the universall response

jake: If were so stupid then educate us?

snowflake: Alright

Ash: Google exists for a reason.

snowflake: What do you want to know

me: then comes it is not their job to educate

snowflake: I'll answer it all.

snowflake: Ask whatever you want.

jake: ill just google it then

me: so we are supposed to magically know, despite the fact that every single genderqueer person I have ever met has a different definition and different expectation, and flies off the handle the second that expectation is not met

James: I suggest we should stop talking about thia

Ash: It's not up to the person in question to answer your questions. They're not the spokesperson for all transpeople. It's up to the individual if they want to answer your question or not.

Ash: It's not rocket science.

jake: No were supposed to google it apparently @me

snowflake: I'm out

snowflake: Fuck you

me: @Ash if they dont want to answer, then you lose the right to bitch when expectations are not met

Ash: @me You don't understand that transpeople are pressured to ask/answer for the community as a whole and that can have lasting psychological effects on them. They gender model we have in society right now works against transpeople not for it.

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