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Tampa, FL brianiscool Member Scare Don't let these ISP's bother you !

King Boo

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Tampa, FL brianiscool Member Re: Thank you browser add-ons How can that be if your on charter?

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI 1 edit nonamesleft Member Be responsible att, and... be responsible for your crimes first! Guess that "Rethink possible" slogan is an oxymoron. Is this educational material something they stole from someone else?

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by nonamesleft: be responsible for your crimes first! Guess that "Rethink possible" slogan is an oxymoron. Is this educational material something they stole from someone else?

So two wrongs make a right? I hardly think so.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... Maybe not but it certainly makes them hypocrites along with the MAFIAA members who were caught pirating.

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by skeechan: Maybe not but it certainly makes them hypocrites along with the MAFIAA members who were caught pirating.

Maybe so, but that doesn't make pirating excusable.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... Sure, but it is a matter of priorities. We apply more resources to stopping murder than jaywalkers. That doesn't mean jaywalking is okay. AT&T and the MAFIAA should be applying their resources to their own wrongdoing before applying resources toward 13 year olds downloading Happy Birthday.

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by skeechan: Sure, but it is a matter of priorities. We apply more resources to stopping murder than jaywalkers. That doesn't mean jaywalking is okay. AT&T and the MAFIAA should be applying their resources to their own wrongdoing before applying resources toward 13 year olds downloading Happy Birthday.

I don't think ISPs should be policing their customers. Leave that to the proper authorities. That being said, it seems that the ISPs are being ordered to do this. I don't think that AT&T and other ISPs are doing this of their own free will.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... Ordered by whom? No one is big enough to 'order' an MSO or telco to do anything. Even when the FCC tells them to do something they don't roll over for it.

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by skeechan: Ordered by whom? No one is big enough to 'order' an MSO or telco to do anything. Even when the FCC tells them to do something they don't roll over for it.

Ordered by the court system. Either that or the threat of suing by the RIAA or MPAA. Either way, just by the way the ISPs are going about this, they are not taking it seriously, and neither should we.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... That is beyond the purview of the court, they can't make law or policy and no court has such nationwide jurisdiction aside from the Supreme Court.



Besides, Orders of the Court are public record and we would know about it.



You could be right about the threat of litigation however the MAFIAA isn't big enough to threaten the MSOs and the telcos. The MSOs lawyers can beat up the MAFIAA lawyers. The MSOs and telcos aren't actively facilitating piracy in that they comply with DMCA requests.

Twaddle

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"No one is big enough to 'order' an MSO or telco to do anything."



Don't be too sure of that statement. If the right people want something to happen in the US of A it will happen or people will commit suicide, have accidents etc. Please recall J. Edgar Hoover and his antics, many completely illegal. Even MSOs or Telcos can bleed.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... The MSOs and Telcos only fear the left side of FCC and even that fear is waning. Congress along with the legislatures of the 'several states' has been bought and paid for.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft to Nightfall

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said by Nightfall: said by nonamesleft: be responsible for your crimes first! Guess that "Rethink possible" slogan is an oxymoron. Is this educational material something they stole from someone else?



So two wrongs make a right? I hardly think so. No...Where did you see that?

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by nonamesleft: said by Nightfall: said by nonamesleft: be responsible for your crimes first! Guess that "Rethink possible" slogan is an oxymoron. Is this educational material something they stole from someone else?



So two wrongs make a right? I hardly think so.

No...Where did you see that? By addressing AT&T's wrongdoings "first", its a simple insinuation.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by Nightfall: By addressing AT&T's wrongdoings "first", its a simple insinuation.

So what! You want to praise them?

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by nonamesleft: said by Nightfall: By addressing AT&T's wrongdoings "first", its a simple insinuation.



So what! You want to praise them? At this point, neither side should be praised or scolded. Pointing out the skeletons in a company's closet and using it as a reason to pirate is just as faulty as pirating in itself. Its wrong on both ends.

skeechan

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AA169|170 skeechan Premium Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... Only one side needs scolding and that is the hypocrites at AT&T and the MAFIAA pirates.

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Manitowoc, WI nonamesleft to Nightfall

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said by Nightfall: said by nonamesleft: said by Nightfall: By addressing AT&T's wrongdoings "first", its a simple insinuation.



So what! You want to praise them?

At this point, neither side should be praised or scolded. Pointing out the skeletons in a company's closet and using it as a reason to pirate is just as faulty as pirating in itself. Its wrong on both ends. I never mentioned pirating, your just taking what I said out of context. I don't pirate anyways! So get off it!

Nightfall

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Grand Rapids, MI Nightfall MVM Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by nonamesleft: I never mentioned pirating, your just taking what I said out of context. I don't pirate anyways! So get off it!





I think we both did a little bit of that there. I apologize for doing that. Talk about taking what you say out of context. I never mentioned that you pirate.I think we both did a little bit of that there. I apologize for doing that.

nonamesleft

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Manitowoc, WI 1 recommendation nonamesleft Member Re: Be responsoble att, and... said by Nightfall: said by nonamesleft: I never mentioned pirating, your just taking what I said out of context. I don't pirate anyways! So get off it!





I think we both did a little bit of that there. I apologize for doing that.

Talk about taking what you say out of context. I never mentioned that you pirate.I think we both did a little bit of that there. I apologize for doing that. Yeah, I checked, your right, I apologize for doing the same. axus

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Washington, DC axus Member Maybe it's meant to be ineffective So copyright cartels can say "We tried", and proceed to lobby for a law, instead of this industry agreement. Then, the big ISPs will already have the infrastructure in place, and it won't be a huge burden on them to follow that law.



It's another huge barrier to entry for smaller ISPs, though. turtlespeed

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united state turtlespeed Member Six Strikes is meant to be a joke Right!!! So, if an AT&T Internet Subscriber Believes they are Wrongly Accused who gave AT&T the Right to Prevent that Subscriber from hiring a Lawyer and Suing them in Court. The Courts have Already found that an IP address Is Not A Person how can anybody get into trouble over anything since the Courts Ruled an IP Address is not a person. I think Six Strikes is just meant to be a Joke??? There will be thousands of Lawsuits I predict and Six Strikes won't last 6 Months.

gjrhine

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Pawleys Island, SC gjrhine Member Dear ISP send me my 6, I'll click through all and we'll be all done OK? turtlespeed

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united state turtlespeed Member The Key Is Lawsuits, then Six Strikes Goes Away!!! If you are Wrongly Accused Sue it's that Simple, Lawyer will be Lining up for FREE to take your Case They use the Net Too Remember. Remember, an IP Address is Not a Person. It's a Slam Dunk!!

cdru

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Fort Wayne, IN cdru MVM Re: The Key Is Lawsuits, then Six Strikes Goes Away!!! said by turtlespeed: If you are Wrongly Accused Sue it's that Simple, Lawyer will be Lining up for FREE to take your Case Good luck finding a lawyer to work pro bono or on a contingency basis fighting an accusation to your ISP that, at worst, results in a stern popup telling you not to do it again, or else you'll get another popup... ndwbr

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Atlanta, GA 1 edit ndwbr Member thwart with VPN? Just one question: won't a simple VPN service (e.g. StrongVPN) and/or compressed/encrypted files (are torrents compressed/encrypted? -- follow up: sure they are: » bit.ly/nyAZdn ) easily thwart any attempt on the part of big brother to determine what is being downloaded? I think this is a big hoax and they are simply trying to intimidate people into believing they have the ability to track every byte that you are downloading...

DeathK

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Cincinnati, OH DeathK Premium Member Re: thwart with VPN? said by ndwbr: (are torrents compressed/encrypted? -- follow up: sure they are: »bit.ly/nyAZdn )



Now, if you're on a VPN the IP they see doesn't lead back to you. This part doesn't matter since some copyright holders set up bogus seeds for their own content and see what IP's are downloading/sharing.Now, if you're on a VPN the IP they see doesn't lead back to you.

David

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Granite City, IL David Premium Member VPN VPN and it won't matter. ndwbr

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Atlanta, GA ndwbr Member Re: VPN i don't buy it - how can an ISP read encrypted data

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