

HenryX

@enn.lu HenryX Anon How does it work? Can someone explain how LTE would work as a replacement for fixed broadband? Even my parents would be over their data caps watching a couple of movies a month and checking email, and then it's $10 to add a single gigabyte of transfer.



I've read cable lobbyists like Richard Bennett trying to put forward the idea, but it makes no sense.

Kuro

join:2014-10-01 Kuro Member Re: How does it work? It makes sense if you look at it as only being able to get online and are tech illiterate.



anonomeX

@comcast.net anonomeX Anon Re: How does it work? If pCell works (and I hope it does--too soon to tell), that outlook could change drastically--from a capacity and technical standpoint anyway.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13

Hazelwood, MO 2 recommendations Skippy25 Member Re: How does it work? No wireless service will ever match the speed and robust use of a wire lined connection.



Wireless will ALWAYS be a second rate connection that is good to use temporarily while you are on the go.



ham3843

join:2015-01-15

USA ham3843 Member Re: How does it work? said by Skippy25: No wireless service will ever match the speed and robust use of a wire lined connection.



Wireless will ALWAYS be a second rate connection that is good to use temporarily while you are on the go.

FactChecker

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said by Skippy25: No wireless service will ever match the speed and robust use of a wire lined connection.



Wireless will ALWAYS be a second rate connection that is good to use temporarily while you are on the go. I think wireless speeds are, and have always been, only a year or three behind wireline, but never has to operate under the same (or past) rules of wireline at any stage of their history. Wireline gets a pass as they continue to stay just a step behind on speeds/capacity added to the huge benefit of mobility.



ham3843

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USA ham3843 Member Re: How does it work? I think wireless speeds are, and have always been, only a year or three behind wireline... But things that are equally important like latency, will not come close any time in the near future, and of course the cost is outrageous in any case, which makes it uncompetitive with a decent wireline connection.

Skippy25

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It may be a couple years behind wired that is actually deployed by only a few years, bit it is at least a decade or more behind actual capabilities.



DaveTheRave

@93.191.37.x DaveTheRave to Skippy25

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Rural UK just outside of Bristol (similar situation for many city outskirts):



Wired broadband (no fiber available): 15 Mbps approx

4G mobile data signal: 45 Mbps approx



To summarise:

Sweeping statements are not true of all.



ham3843

join:2015-01-15

USA ham3843 Member Re: How does it work? said by DaveTheRave : Rural UK just outside of Bristol (similar situation for many city outskirts):



Wired broadband (no fiber available): 15 Mbps approx

4G mobile data signal: 45 Mbps approx



To summarise:

Sweeping statements are not true of all. What about latency?

Slyster

join:2015-01-08

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Money. They have people thinking that wireless LTE is ultra expensive to provide and that really low caps are required.



MovieLover76

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MovieLover76 Member Re: How does it work? Personally, while money might be one motive, I don't think they actually think they are going to make a lot of money from LTE as a home internet connection.



I think they are using it as an excuse to trick regulators into releasing them from their obligations to maintain or upgrade existing copper networks.



We don't need to maintain dsl or POTS look we've got LTE network connections that can reach faster speeds than dsl

Slyster

join:2015-01-08

Sugar Grove, VA 1 recommendation Slyster Member Re: How does it work? Dont forget to factor in Verizon who are letting areas rot in hopes that people switch to their more expensive LTE offering.. IMO Verizon Wireless and Verizon Wireline need to be split up for that reason.



KennyWest

@sbcglobal.net KennyWest Anon Re: How does it work? Legally they are two different companies.



ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16 ITALIAN926 Member Re: How does it work? Really? How so?

neufuse

join:2006-12-06

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neufuse Member split the tech Wireless should only be compared to wireless and wired only to wired (copper and Fiber)... only way to do a fair comparison tech wise since there is so much different about how they work on the physical level and how the ISP's handle the traffic at a carrier level.



yeahh

@169.152.251.x yeahh Anon Re: split the tech With wireless today the carriers manipulate the traffic with man-in-the-middle boxes, re-encode video, throttle and block traffic, have several orders of magnitude lower usage restrictions etc. This is all done in the name of people believing that "there is so much different about how they work"



In actuality, there are many similarities in the technologies when it comes capacity requirements. To add capacity in HFC you need to allocate more spectrum, do node splits and upgrade technology. With wireless, you add more spectrum, do tower splits or upgrade technology.



There are also differences in fiber vs copper vs HFC, but these are all compared together.



I don't think you give wireless a pass or they will continue to take advantage it and not be driven to do better.

BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Re: split the tech I get the technical aspects of arguing HFC is similar to a cellular network. The problem is that practically speaking, the cable company has up to 1ghz of spectrum to use on their own, they don't have to buy licences for little tiny chunks, and they don't have to lease space to put nodes. If they want to add another node they just add it- not always practical or even possible with wireless.

FactChecker

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join:2008-06-03 FactChecker Premium Member Re: split the tech That's assuming the spectrum is freed up (which also comes at a cost).



And there are similar space and power requirements for expansion. Cellular also has practical small cell capabilities as well.

BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Re: split the tech There are not similar space requirements at all. There are some modest power requirements, nothing like a cell site. Sure, they have had to reclaim spectrum. But it's also far easier for them to split nodes that it is for a cell provider to add more sites, and it's more carefully controlled, since the cable company knows exactly how many subs are plugged into what.



Simba7

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said by BiggA: the cable company has up to 1ghz of spectrum to use on their own, In some newer spots, it's up to 3GHz. Especially with the latest cable.

BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Re: split the tech Cable plants max out at 1ghz. Cox has deployed 1ghz plants, and they are extremely finicky. Most cable plants top out at 860mhz, some older, un-upgraded ones are in the 550-770 range. No one has deployed a cable plant at 3ghz, nor is that possible with today's technology.

uberjon

join:2010-02-10

Kane, PA uberjon Member helping Comcast? Its kind of funny that raising the definition makes Comcast/twc own less 'broadband market share' to make a merger easier.



rottnpup

join:2000-08-04

Minneapolis, MN rottnpup Member Re: helping Comcast? said by uberjon: Its kind of funny that raising the definition makes Comcast/twc own less 'broadband market share' to make a merger easier.



neu

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it actually increased their market share, they removed tons of other markets that no longer fit and since Comcast provides at least 25 Mbit in all their areas they now account for over half the broadband in the USA... which hurts their position...

Slyster

join:2015-01-08

Sugar Grove, VA Slyster Member Re: Bad Comcast Wow. Centurylink by far the lowest and by far the most expensive per MB. That doesnt seem right.



why60loss

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join:2012-09-20 why60loss Premium Member Re: Bad Comcast said by Slyster: Wow. Centurylink by far the lowest and by far the most expensive per MB. That doesnt seem right. That seems about right to me, Centurylink SUCKS in 99% of markets/areas.



Love Comcast

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I think with comcast you forgot to include the taxes, fees and modem rental or it would be a bit closer to $10.00 per MB. Oh and it was probably based on a three month promotional cost.



Jon Geb

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I have been very happy with Comcast internet.



why60loss

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join:2012-09-20 why60loss Premium Member I now know why the FCC did this To show how Time warner cables speeds suck in most places and they would be a drop in the bucket VS Comcast when it came to providing speeds that aren't stuck in 1999.



I think title 2, this broadband speed bump and other actions are all to make it seem okay to approve the one thing that really matters the buy out of Time warner cable by Comcast.



I can assure you that both business are doing everything they can to get this deal though the door.



With only a %1 share in the broadband market Time warner cable looks so unimportant now. And that is what Comcast wanted, it is also what Time warner cable wanted.



Well played big business, well played.