oOOoOphidian Profile Joined January 2011 United States 1400 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-11 23:54:52 #1 IF YOU DON'T READ THIS PART DON'T BOTHER REPLYING......

It seems that buki was already in GM and stayed in due to the system. As he can only be removed by inactivity and bonus pool accumulating, losing 130 games in a row doesn't demote the account from GM. I'm curious whether the lowered MMR will make it impossible to get back into GM next season, but either way the intentional losing is bannable.



He has defended himself saying he was just trolling by being a GM playing bronzies, which explains what happened, though still brings up concerns of abuse and some problems with the current system.



Original Post:



Today I looked at the NA Grandmaster's league list and noticed a player with a very unusually low win/loss ratio.







Two days ago this player who had a normal account playing lots of games suddenly starts losing...







A lot.







The players mBnBuki was losing to were in bronze and eventually the account's MMR was reset and no longer lost points for losing a game. The loss streak was 130 games total.











mBnBuki then went on a massive winning streak going 32-3 before being promoted to GM with the last loss...











Against a silver league player.













And here's a random picture from a local lan, featuring my friend ProfessorOak.

edit:It seems that buki was already in GM and stayed in due to the system. As he can only be removed by inactivity and bonus pool accumulating, losing 130 games in a row doesn't demote the account from GM. I'm curious whether the lowered MMR will make it impossible to get back into GM next season, but either way the intentional losing is bannable.He has defended himself saying he was just trolling by being a GM playing bronzies, which explains what happened, though still brings up concerns of abuse and some problems with the current system.Original Post:Today I looked at the NA Grandmaster's league list and noticed a player with a very unusually low win/loss ratio.Two days ago this player who had a normal account playing lots of games suddenly starts losing...A lot.The players mBnBuki was losing to were in bronze and eventually the account's MMR was reset and no longer lost points for losing a game. The loss streak was 130 games total.mBnBuki then went on a massive winning streak going 32-3 before being promoted to GM with the last loss...Against a silver league player.And here's a random picture from a local lan, featuring my friend ProfessorOak. Creator of sc2unmasked.com

Zidane Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 1658 Posts #2 which one's him?

oOOoOphidian Profile Joined January 2011 United States 1400 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:27:55 #3 On December 11 2011 21:27 Zidane wrote:

which one's him?

The one with the face. (Second from the left)



The picture is unrelated to the topic, also. The one with the face. (Second from the left)The picture is unrelated to the topic, also. Creator of sc2unmasked.com

Lonyo Profile Blog Joined December 2009 United Kingdom 3113 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:28:06 #4 Everyone knows the GM system is broken in NA, has been all season.

With a season reset in a short while, where hopefully Blizz will fix it, it won't matter.



Although it is funny to see exactly how broken it is. HOLY CHECK!

Azzur Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Australia 6083 Posts #5 Has the new season started already? I thought the GM league was locked?



Anyways, it is known that GM has been bugged for some time already.

Zidane Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 1658 Posts #6 Well knowing if he did abuse the ladder I would not be surprised if they banned him. Actually knowing blizzard, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't anyway.

Geiko Profile Blog Joined June 2010 France 1924 Posts #7 Awesome,



I don't quite get how this works though, I thought GM selection just took players within a certain MMR range of the best ? If he has silver level MMR this shouldn't quite work ?



I'm having trouble understanding how there can be so many screw up with a system that's relatively straightforward to program. geiko.813 (EU)

kellymilkies Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Singapore 1283 Posts #8 Ahh! I love ProfessorOak! I talked to him in sc2 before Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //

Assaulter Profile Joined December 2010 Lithuania 324 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:31:42 #9 On December 11 2011 21:28 Azzur wrote:

Has the new season started already? I thought the GM league was locked?



Anyways, it is known that GM has been bugged for some time already.

I'm pretty sure the lock starts at December 13th I'm pretty sure the lock starts at December 13th

aderum Profile Blog Joined January 2011 Sweden 1363 Posts #10 Wow thats sad, and weird, that it is so exploitable... I guess most people in GM really should be there so this isnt a massive problem, but still... wow. Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane

Zaphid Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Czech Republic 1494 Posts #11 On December 11 2011 21:29 Geiko wrote:

Awesome,



I don't quite get how this works though, I thought GM selection just took players within a certain MMR range of the best ? If he has silver level MMR this shouldn't quite work ?



I'm having trouble understanding how there can be so many screw up with a system that's relatively straightforward to program.

MMR is completely independent from league, for all we know the other guy was doing the same.



I guess they should make sure anyone promoted to GM should be in Master first, but ladder is serious business. MMR is completely independent from league, for all we know the other guy was doing the same.I guess they should make sure anyone promoted to GM should be in Master first, but ladder is serious business. I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP

Sadistx Profile Blog Joined February 2009 Zimbabwe 5497 Posts #12 The guy should be banned for throwing 130 games, not getting into GM league.



The division system is still bad and there's no reason a closed league (by number of spots) should even exist, especially if it flat out doesn't work and is exploitable like we see here.



GM should just be masters league and top200 by points should get the orange icons.

Unfortunate Profile Blog Joined May 2010 Canada 130 Posts #13 The problem with GM is that it's not actually invite only. There's a system, and when there's a system, it's going to be beaten by some derp.



Way to avoid this? Make GM actually an "invite only" league. Why not? Get the top pros, with some room to cycle new up and comers into it, and let em duke it out. But atm ladder has no worth so who cares :D Manager, Head Admin of Sc2 for Playhem

rauk Profile Blog Joined February 2009 United States 2215 Posts #14 i'm so confused how this is supposed to work



wouldn't this mean any wintrader who started playing to win for like 50 games would get into gm? shouldn't this have happened a ton then?

CanucksJC Profile Blog Joined August 2010 Canada 1221 Posts Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:48:15 #15 You can't ban him for throwing 130 games lol

Also I have no idea how he did this, it doesnt make sense that other farmers didn't get GM this way... :S UBC StarCraft Club is official @ UBC Vancouver campus! Your first eSport community on campus. Welcomes players of all levels at UBC. Follow us on facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=155630424470014 or IRC @ irc.rizon.net #ubcsc

Chaosvuistje Profile Joined April 2010 Netherlands 2579 Posts #16 Getting promoted into GM should force you to play a BoX with a grandmaster to show your worth, not beat random ladder players until you have accumulated enough MMR to get inside it.

Benjef Profile Blog Joined December 2010 United Kingdom 5653 Posts #17 Imo, I think its fine. He found an exploit, report to blizzard and hope they fix it so it can't happen again. <3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3

softan Profile Joined September 2010 Sweden 113 Posts #18 Ye it looks to me he lost 130 games in a row on purpose just to get down to bronze. I don't think him getting into gm is the problem, he's probably good enough for gm if he got there it's the fact that he lost on purpose just to own bronzers. It ruins things for those people having to face him, both when he lost on purpose and when they later didn't stand a chance.

Sadistx Profile Blog Joined February 2009 Zimbabwe 5497 Posts #19 On December 11 2011 21:40 CanucksJC wrote:

You can't ban him for throwing 130 games lol

Also I have no idea how he did this, I've done this myself too, throwing myself in bronze, i've won literally 100 in a row but I was still in bronze...



Yes, you can. Blizzard said it's a bannable offense. Yes, you can. Blizzard said it's a bannable offense.

Speece Profile Joined April 2011 United States 48 Posts #20 According to sc2ranks, he has been in GM for the whole season.

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