PM to-Admins: the CMO pretty much smashed my skull for suspected tresspassing, and the captain didn't even arrest the fucker. Is this legit or no?

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: I'll investigate Echoes but security not arresting them is very, very likely IC.

PM to-Tainavaa: alright, thanks

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Apparently you were stealing stuff with Horowitz?

PM to-Tainavaa: I asked Horowitz if he could get me some sugar. He took me to chemistry and let me in

PM to-Tainavaa: apparently he wasn't supposed to have access, and they beat the shit out of me because of that

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Oh god. That sounds like you were dragged into a shitty situation.

PM to-Tainavaa: yeah, and now the guy who was arresting me took me to medbay and forgot about me

PM to-Tainavaa: so Im basically fucked

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Things like that happen. You were dragged into a shitty situation.

PM to-Tainavaa: oh...

PM to-Tainavaa: I mean, it isn't really the situation that was shitty, moreso the players

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Them's the breaks, unfortunately. Though from an outsider's perspective it was really funny.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: How were the players shitty?

PM to-Tainavaa: I mean, if it's okay to nearly kill someone and put them out of the round because you think they did a minor crime, I guess I'll keep that in mind

PM to-Tainavaa: the CMO bashed my skull in for practically no reason, and the captain did absolutely nothing against him, and sent me to the brig

PM to-Tainavaa: and the security cadet who took me to brig was a retard who left me in the sleeper and left to do something else

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: You're forgetting that the world goes on without you there. You don't know the motivations, you don't know what happened prior or anything like that. It's not black and white and they didn't just bash your skull in for no reason. IC, there is no "taking people out of the round".

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: The medical bay and its staff aren't always happy-go-lucky people that have no strifes of their own before you show up.

PM to-Tainavaa: so bashing someone's skull in for tresspassing, when they have a fully working flash and baton, is okay?

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: It's stupid and dangerous IC. But it isn't breaking any rules.

PM to-Tainavaa: "Only escalate conflict in a realistic manner. Some characters might overreact, but you would not realisticall go berserk or attempt to kill someone if they stole your prized pen, for instance. "

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: I don't think that's the only thing that happened this round. And they didn't have a baton; their flash broke while spamming flash on you so you wouldn't getu p.

PM to-Tainavaa: bullshit

PM to-Tainavaa: they flashed me after they started beating my skull in

PM to-Admins: also, that was the only interaction I had with the CMO that round

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: But that isn't the only interaction the CMO had with Horowitz.

PM to-Tainavaa: that doesn't pertain to me at all, and it doesn't justify the CMO beating someone's skull in

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: True or false. Horowitz led you into chemistry.

PM to-Tainavaa: true

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: You are now an associate of Horowitz and potentially any weight that Horowitz puts on the CMO is now put on you.

PM to-Tainavaa: man that's fucking stupid and you know it

PM to-Tainavaa: if you went to a hospital and asked a doctor to help you with something

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: No, it's not stupid. Association is a thing, and nor are people psychic.

PM to-Tainavaa: then he took you to a room, and suddenly the director of the hospital burts in and sasy YOU AREN'T ALLOWED HERE

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Okay, let me put it to you this way. Real life situation number one, exact same situation with you and Horowitz last round but in real life.

PM to-Tainavaa: and then knocks you down, pulls out a gun, and literally cracks your skull in

PM to-Tainavaa: is that a situation that can ever happen?

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: I walk into the chemistry lab and I see Horowitz in there taking shit, and you're there with him.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Am I going to think "There's no way they're involved"?

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: No I'm going to think, these two fuckers are in cahoots.

PM to-Tainavaa: no, of course you will

PM to-Tainavaa: but are you going to crack my skull in?

PM to-Tainavaa: without even asking questions

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: That depends who I am, and what's happened to me prior.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: If I was playing Anna Lee, I'd probably beat the shit out of you. Especially if I thought you were an active accomplice of Horowitz, some fucker I hate.

PM to-Tainavaa: no it fucking doesn't

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Yes it does. Because if I was playing Tina, I'd called security and probably not enter the chemistry lab at all depending.

PM to-Tainavaa: besides, beating the shit out of someone for tresspassing is pretty much psychotic, which is against the rules

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Are you suggesting violence is against the rules?

PM to-Tainavaa: I don't care about tina or anna, nor do I know who they are

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: See now you're completely ignoring circumstance.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Not all characters are the same, is my point. Which for some reason you don't care about.

PM to-Tainavaa: I have no idea who Tina or Anna are, why would I care?

PM to-Tainavaa: anyway, answer a question for me

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: It isn't who they are that you have to worry about; it's the abstract concept behind what I explained to you.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: That is, they're different people. They will not react the same. They will not do the same things.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Echoes etc. etc. is not you.

PM to-Tainavaa: if someone in real life sees someone tresspassing in their workplace and beats their skull in without asking questions, are they psychotic?

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: That really depends on circumstance, doesn't it?

PM to-Tainavaa: okay

PM to-Tainavaa: the circumstance is that the person beating the other person's skull in is a director of a hospital

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: What else can you tell me about the director of the hospital?

PM to-Tainavaa: dude now you're just being intentionally obtuse

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: No, I'm not. You're just asserting confirmation bias.

PM to-Tainavaa: under what circumstances would it be okay for the director of a hospital to smash someone's skull for tresspassing

PM to-Tainavaa: that isn't what confirmation bias means

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Now you're having an issue differentiating IC and OOC.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Yes it is. You are completely ignoring all factors taht don't favor your clami.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: claim.

PM to-Tainavaa: except that isn't what Im doing because you haven't presented any factors counter to my claim, you've just said that its possible for there to be factors

PM to-Tainavaa: but that's besides the point

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: Except these factors exist, and definitely account for his behavior.

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: The situation is handled. If you believe it was handled wrongly, you can make a complaint on the forums regarding either me or the character in question.

PM to-Tainavaa: dude you didn't handle it

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: You can freely bring that up on the forums with a staff complaint.

PM to-Tainavaa: I don't even care if you do anything about it, but crossing your arms and saying that it's handled because you can't argue your position is just irresponsible

PM to-Tainavaa: it's okay to admit you're wrong

Moderator PM from-Tainavaa: I know. And I've been wrong before. I've admit I was wrong before when I was. But I wasn't. The situation has been handled.