lozfanxv:

blackoutchocolate:

Did you hear that everyone? Women aren’t oppressed and men aren’t privileged! Someone on the Internet said so! Wowwwwww I wonder if women have trouble with employment and parenthood still. Or if they ever are paid less than their male coworkers in the same job with the same seniority and the same qualifications and experience. Or if they still aren’t believed when they report crimes. If they are shamed for being victims of assault. Sexism is alive and well. Don’t be ridiculous. lozfanxv: Okay, there’s a lot to unpack here. First off, I don’t really give a fuck if my example didn’t work because of “oppression points” or whatever. My example was to show how idiotic it is to generalize a group of people over something they can’t control, and to expect someone from said group to take it. > Oppressed groups can always generalize about the privileged class. Except that women are not the oppressed group anymore, and men aren’t the privileged class anymore. blackoutchocolate: Yeah the problem with your example is you have it backwards. Your example is about maintaining oppression. What about: If you’re white, and a black friend confides in you? That one reads the same. I’m Jewish and if I am generalizing frustrations about Christians to my Christian friends I mean, and they know, that I am telling them because I trust them to not do the problematic things and to be an ally. Or in the cases where they maybe are adding to the problem I trust them to hear me and recognize that they can help. Exactly the same way I do about men. Oppressed groups can always generalize about the privileged class. lozfanxv: If you’re black, and a white friend confides in you about how shitty black people are, it’s because they considers you one of the good ones–someone it’s safe to vent to. Don’t ruin that vibe with some “not all black people” crap. They know. That’s why they’re talking to you. You don’t have to say it; they’re already telling you, just not in so many words. If you were one of the ones they was talking about, they wouldn’t be confiding in you about it, so instead of getting offended, you should feel honored, my friend. See how offensive and idiotic your whole argument is? Shut the fuck up already and stop speaking for us women. anexperimentallife: If you’re a man, and a woman friend confides in you about how shitty men are, it’s because she considers you one of the good ones–someone it’s safe to vent to. Don’t ruin that vibe with some “not all men” crap. She knows. That’s why she’s talking to you. You don’t have to say it; she’s already telling you, just not in so many words. If you were one of the ones she was talking about, she wouldn’t be confiding in you about it, so instead of getting offended, you should feel honored, my droogie.

I thank you so much for so many examples! It’ll be fun to debunk them. :)

> Wowwwwww I wonder if women have trouble with employment and parenthood still.

I’m gonna need more information than just parenthood. Because the information I found shows that it’s men who struggle more when it comes to being a parent.

Societies attitudes that men work and women stay home negatively and in some cases men were fired from work for taking time off in paternity leave.

A list of harsh laws that discriminate against men and fathers in the US.

After divorce men can face burdensome alimony payments even in situations where their ex-wives are capable of working and earning a substantial income.

Men are also 10 more likely than women to be killed at work.

And men, mostly middle class working men, are 3.5 times more likely than women to commit suicide.

> Or if they ever are paid less than their male coworkers in the same job with the same seniority and the same qualifications and experience.

Statistics can be fun, can’t they? Sadly, the wage gap exists, but only for 3 to 5 cents.

Yeah, what people don’t tell you is that the data doesn’t differentiate really important factors, such as education, occupation, experience, and hours, which account for nearly all of the differential in earnings between men and women.

There is a gender’s earning gap, but just paying women more won’t do a thing. It’s not because women and men aren’t being paid the same amount, it’s because women just don’t go into the same fields as men and don’t try to climb to the top.

> Or if they still aren’t believed when they report crimes.\

Male rape

Domestic violence against men

> If they are shamed for being victims of assault.

Again, male rape.

The gender gap of prison sentencing is larger than the racial gap. And that’s because men are more likely to get higher sentencing than women.

> Sexism is alive and well. Don’t be ridiculous.

Oh no, I definitely agree with that. I agree that there are things in society that are sexist against women. But just as well there are many things that are sexist against men. We cannot hold one gender up while pushing the other one down. And your patronizing bitchy tone isn’t gonna change anything.

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There we are! The big ol’ block. It’s always amusing whenever someone blocks someone else in an argument. Especially when they were the one’s to start. What’s the matter? Can start something but can’t end it without making yourself look pathetic in the process?

“I can be smart too! I’m just on mobile.”



And don’t ask other people to do your work for you. You made the claims, you back up your claims.

It’s astoundingly sad that you see the struggles that men face thanks to society’s expectations of them (rape, abuse, suicide) and STILL make women the victims in it.

But I do have to give you credit. It’s refreshing whenever someone agrees with me that women can be sexist too. Even though I don’t know where me being sexist is…

I guess stating that men can face sexism in our society gets me being called a sexist pig in your tags now.