Transcript for Captain America inspires the underground in Marvel's 'Secret Empire' issue 8

Hello and welcome to inside marble from ABC news digital I'm your host walkie today we've got a huge you know we're talking about Captain America 25 the exciting and that's very also sicker I and number eight. What we're getting to the final part people. I have joys of hate and food by ABC news's Mike Rothman. From Marvel Comics we've got a lot of Smith she's in this book. An out of LA we've gotten it down she's cap America story you meter all over the Internet and we're just gonna die gain. On these characters justice the recently consequential issues. Like he did this group Captain America one I sure can can go to come back a little bit. So I would I would start off with Tony Stark having a revelation side having a birthday cake he can't eat because essentially it an artificial it's really. Thrown out death also the key he noticed that the keep fragment can all to reality a little but not as much as acute combined into one full Q. But he noticeably with cap and that's a cat survives that bad mild widgets guessing get mileage. Which it is that and that's the first thing they'll let us in this theater by eight spoilers ahead battle weary about the Atlanta at eight yes but it's happening big spoilers. There's also. A cat next to attack is low Catholics and attacks on New Zealand and Janzen beat. Revenues are now yes yes with the in the role in an outer being held captive or whatever you want to comment. That's also will conduct. So we have black and there wasn't very Smart not to the side with the event is in this one. And then finally we and wit a huge reveal you reveal less chance they about the spends you don't hear I don't know I don't now. Look it'll. And enable the and velvet that's a nice way to implement their at this year's pilot. Now he's arrogant but Mexico now point meg I want to bring you an on this because are lucky fan and here's. Activists that steeped in captain American lawyer. We what's gonna do what what's this with her about. I'll man so bucking spent and spent the last year really busy and he's been with kind of the thunderbolt. In the new version of the and ultimately not a thunderbolt you know were familiar went. And he took. The sent it out QB to Kobe. And kind of courted her away. And took the used a thunderbolt look like her on personally bodyguard system. But then in I think when a lot of south coast club has all the power but she's also like what like eight and bishop quite understand how to use it didn't. And so that that story and ended with hurt you know trying to fix. Things and her version of fixing things as we kind of scene with secret empire news. Not that great and I'm hockey. Ended up kind of reliving his own near death experience. I'm very poignantly. I and he got sent on a rocket and kind of shots and space are in a kind of the stratosphere and we learned now that he landed in the ocean and our friend and so that's a buck then. It. Eyes and say yeah rat you. And working. The company for its take of the so. He's got this character covic as it did this come back in a little bit so before we get too deep into either catch 25 or. It's really goes to the senate but the even shepherding this character a lot of waste through the past couple he's been working hard on all of books. It will what's the story there is a lot of that goes into the background of why Captain America. Yes still covic was originally created by shield from a bunch of she'll fragments indicate dissension and the problem is they had a second cosmic cube who was a baby basically it is really know what was going on. So they used stricter create a super prison called Pleasant Hill where she was rewriting the realities of super villains and reforming them and having them live more. Nice lives that's and no consequences. Note how the comet now. A lot so don't go strong. Got there quickly and the thanks to our bodies and but he manages to get her out of there and teams up with a few of the thunderbolts to keep her out of shield payments because he sees her ads. A weapon that could be used and abused by other people but saintly he has correctly. That's correct yes but the yep. So he tries to keepers they. It goes wrong again because against the united shows. In its own theme look at the Q back force steam because at this point he knows it. Kobe pre wrote Steve BI. Agent at the request of the red skull who. She trusted mistakenly. And the year yeah yet. So she basically remembered him when she was cute and went to meet up with him and he was like hey you know be really cool. I if it adds we did fifth and you know he'd have right. Stood head being with unlimited power. Again some excitement name tapes speak. I wanna bust out a little bit if anybody got to chime in here just because but he's a very fascinating characters. This is not the first time that he is emerged late in if you believe the factory historian at as there's EST one you know so. I want all of it about this character who he is in the book along the so don't know from the movies not from the books. Lose Bucky Barnes and what is he's new presence gonna bring to this hour. While he's he's been there the whole time check in with with any more like in the background of a lot of scenes so it should be fun for them to go back Harry Reid and elect of areas that's why that random advisory that a happy and lake. That's what you would viewing. You know Bucky is integral to the story because he knows Captain America better than anyone and he also knows cope it better than anyone can basically been raising her for the government month. Still com. He's kind of the piece that their resistance here has been mixing like the peace that. Understands everything about how this works and knows the players infinitely an end will be able you know make he sent back to help. Back. Yet that make eligible to you and LA and you see these records and elect a home. I want to ask about essentially how does Bucky fold into the Captain America. Charlotte LA it there's a lot of BS proteges he's get is a guy who Bradford case we'll give them that help but he katic counts background. Sure I think it's understand but you really kind of have to look back at Steve's a streak to. And that Captain America stories. One of the biggest recurring themes in his stories is this idea of identity. And so Steve the characters kind of by virtue of who he it is is very easily defined by what he is. Rather than what he actually is and so. Typically historically when that happens you have you know kind of like really terrible violence like yep the fifties with part of the original secret empire kind of prologue and and whatnot you get that like corrupted Captain America. And then have Bucky who'll back you know kind of actor in early two thousands when you know his return and it you know it's and at the soldier. And then you have him taking over as cap a lot of the leg work that he put into the story not only to find himself but also. By virtue of just what Bucky was. Defined steed. And so he kind of it was very complimentary and very unusual piece of the cap legacy because he does a lot of the work. That's typically like very villainous characters what do you but he that in a very positive light. And you have a lot of really interesting kind of interplay. With the deal while Eddie between those two characters because people kind of fit together and define one another and like connected and in addition by subtraction and way. Epic and yet. That's really cool yes and I think like I've I work with time report who you know did the original winners of your story. And on the the way we talked about is like like we sealed covers come up where we're but you've all cute and happy like wielding two Tommy gun I'd like it just mowing people down. And basically when when they went to work on the winners of the story say they saw that annually and he's kinda goings. And that a little bit that I could get his hands dirty so that can still being nimble despite the fact that you know you the very cute bubbly feeling of actually look at what you're doing. It's it's. Pretty violent and arc so they lethal intent that in the lead up to the revealed he was coming back as the winner soldier so those since then I think he's kind of meat in the role of you know he's he isn't arrow but he also has that darkness that and that he's willing to go further than Steve well if all they keep Steve from having to do so I'm. So now I want to bring in don't these two could have retired number against who retired a prodigies apparently legacies we have to start talking attempt but it hasn't gotten that falcon. And how he's gonna bring it the mental. Captain America this is it had a really stand up and your book my candidate you relate to love those we got beaten path CBC LC hey Taylor wrote great moment. What's going on again as this character kind of inspires folks from all the different parts. He's been very hesitant this plant ran in in the avengers came up to and they they wanted him to kind of help not mean. I guess that the dental cap in America is more than just a person obviously Steve Rogers is the epitome of it and what in the past he's been but obviously this this series on does all of that night. I and so symbols and after a tragic last you know issue comes out of nowhere is like I'm here let's do this and it's really seen that we talk about bucking a second ago too but. Proteges and identity net that the that. That the triple of them is going to be very agency moving for about how they relate how they in Iraq because it seems like Sam and Bucky you're taking over for. The inspiration that that Steve usually. Cools only picking him up and hopefully. It. Like cat can eat so someone else about this but actually I. So to eight weeks he had they heroes finally get a message be. Planetary defense shield in the dark force dimension. Which up to but when communicate when it. The message is Sam rallying the troops would be like we're gonna take it shot. Like would this cosmic cube fragment at any crazy ideas do that. I think they are and what it will be fragment they're more likely to sixty well and it's also it's like. This is world like. Goldberg machines of stuff they could cascade together he likes art and now like this is the run that we're doing. And soul. The that's not right here a quick because but I love is they office. Yet all of that on the for excitement and Steve rather and it shot down stock worth a mention attend dozens of good and they can't break in this basics and just you know Islamic space station into the field everything. Yes I lives and what it. Then we seen Maria hill on Intel from dead pool and just check down blackout who put up the dark force dimension in secret empire zero I believe. On and she S athletes blackout. Which is bad because blackout didn't really noting is doing he still by the vilified right Kobe. And the planetary defense shield comes down because Quasar finally gains consciousness. And this time she is able to take down the shield fully ends captain marvel flights and takes up the qatari eggs in the fleet is gone so now. They don't have the invasion. All the heroes are free to kinda converging come together in and cast been able coupled with control over everything. Because so many heroes are out of play especially the really powerful heroes who happens face defending against the invasion. So now he's got to it and I think Florida site. They ended everything that I know of that is an issue and mega wanna hear your thoughts on this is that the big scheme of it is like me. This sand is reminding us why we got into this in the first snow and that that just seems like such important part of caps role in this universe. Yeah I think that that's definitely. I think cap is of focal point a fair amount or even Italy regardless of who is taking up that mantle. It's kind of always gonna fall on their shoulders that they have to BE. This central point. For the university kind of look at and be like okay were in a fall into step with this person I think about something that Sam specifically kind of leading up to this point. And I haven't I mean necessarily so when you're falling you know into that role it's not a it's not an easy thing to use the really daunting task. And it's daunting to kind of in and of itself and it etiquette even worse when you have. The entire world and BI and in complete disarray in crisis and I think you know Sam Simmons always kind of been that guy who. Wants that the kind of on the street level like he wants to speed sort of Everyman hero. Whereas you know the cap mantle's kind of necessities but he'd be a symbol. And I don't know it's not that Sam can't shoulder that waited but he doesn't really see himself. As someone who. Really wants it doesn't look comfortable against who rely heavily you're looking at right now is is and Blake again and outgunned out Rama to things. And he does not look like a comfortable man. Not at all which by the way does be watching to predation and questions we will try to get some of those who get shot later on Nate sorry please continue let like. He doesn't seem very comfortable in this role but I think that's one reason that it's about qualities hopping into you know. Right absolutely think you know it defines him really hit a line in his shirt and care for equities. Before he steps and big east met. He actually caveats and self and that Billick I'm not like I started it again like giving. What kind of like a part of they capped you know reports. Being able got to you know come up with things up that had opted not something that stands at him as accurately like rule. But I also think it fan. In now way is this sort of guy who much like Aki I think salmon Aoki Sharon Lott and they're all willing to ease the person they need to be in moments. Even if they're not. You know the sort of person exceed. Like they are willing to step into that role. And I think that's what kind of makes them bowl. Such it counterpoint earth you. I think anyone else in our universe really speaking generally. If they were happens like that Steve's role. They would kind of be crushed by that we'd buy it. Both Sam and puppies. Can kind of filter it and understand you know belt and if there's one thing the man as one thing and they need to kind of find themselves on that spectrum and you know serviced. A lot of I'm a bit before and about. But before the show about how well it may not you are just sending them pretended to us in this number 809. Two eaten all. Isn't a grueling process. How these things don't early I. Before we sent and that we had only just the week before spent nine and I think maybe a week or two weeks before that we sent. So we're should be very fast it isn't very tiring on an editorial because they're all very big issues and a lot happening in a lot of cared if you track at. And so you know it's a very rewarding process when it all comes together you're able to get the book out but with any event like this there's a billion moving pieces and a billion you know. Pages coming in and Peter. For people Holland and it comes in the past that this person and up experts say it's just awful. It's pretty it's pretty tiring I'm looking aren't things happen and that. Final stretch yes I am so close clan. So after we put up attend. Next week we're putting out the Omega which well wrap up a lot of whose parents meetings from. Kind of setup. Marvel universe to count. So a game behind procedure looking at where does this penalty your world you're looking at where this said the marvel universe are moving forward. What are some of the forces that we should be looking at in this in these next couple issues or even in this one matters I know this is an interesting threat. One thing that zen like we sucking. Come as anything you'll feel now more from kingpin so what what should be given amount in this issue and my chemical. News plan can about a million. That our certainly keep and I. He had so. Eliot Ness Rodman. Africa Christ. All the stress could that happen. You know but I think. I think you'll see possibly your rights status quo from Carol activists because yes they see. In and I have to feel it that I get out there any mark. It's really kind of state have a lot of people to their site it is is that like immaculate used everything they had built against. And that is going to vehemently Lastings at the and I eagerly went aboard. Yeah I think Sam also late despite the fact that he's able to rally in this issue like he was horribly betrayed by his best friend and he didn't see it coming at all like. He's you know from the moment they get out of Pleasant Hill. Steep it's pretty and he doesn't catch onto it because I would do it Steve Rogers. On so there's a lot of moments there that Sam where he goes to Steve for help and advice and Stephen 5% and in every single time he's plain wrong and and putting salmon a position where he's gonna capitulate to shield and walk away lake that was completely orchestrated by Steve so I think coming out of Vince Gil seen. You know a Sam who is really shaken and and despite the fact he managed to rally in. You know for the final push like I think the aftermath of this is going to be pretty traumatic for him it must mastery of the. While trash to the imagine Caroline and that I feel it she's kind of the opposite rightly we had. She quit I was down and out and then she was the day early and Afghan. She during iPad at the one thing at a thing and speech like she'd tears that are as the person who. Going the events of civil war to. Was her I think the change that seems like new species. On the outside stand having innocence and trust issues this. You're gonna trust anyone. Ever again particulate she's going in the right direction. She's earned believe again in all of this after all a really rough year. And in if not necessarily herself for people like I think she's seen. How much for people rallied to keep that speaks each in the -- keep your defended even you know even though the shield was up it could have come down at any moment they didn't know what's going on. So you know she's seen all these pre people fighting around her and fighting with her and I think that's going to actor award and also will have that the new patriot who introduced so we'll show Ricky. He's also that a patriot if he if you're familiar with him again character that longstanding he's very tied to the original Captain America story in a lot of ways. I and he just using another person in the orbit of Kathmandu know his story. I'm kind of depends spend this on several people who have kind of taken over that mantle time and time again and I think that. One of the things you have to understand about Captain America at like the characters that kind of fit around him is that they all kind of jigsaw together and in a really kind of interesting way and that. They're all fundamentally. Similar when you're all fundamentally kind of the same. Character who wants to do you kind of the same the same sort of thing. But when you take away Steve from like that sort of linchpin aspect you sort of get this idea that these characters. Are all. Very different in the and then in the sense that they are kind of motivated by very different things I think patriot is a character who. Falls into that where he it's very easy to kind of like can inflate him with what other kind of cap. Miss those characters but I think when you stand him up on it down he becomes very interesting. It their all they all public similar aspirations of Oracle's Ehrlich broken and a slightly different one in this race really cool. Right exactly we talked and in an Indy terms as as far as the care business for in the mark universe. I've insisted I mean not important issues yet again that at it and usually but which were able to that's nationalism just before you get that he was close ABC news Marvel Entertainment and month where I think Earl late are all underneath involved as except. Just in the interest of voters are backed off tells us that we we haven't talked about how things are found legal in the way of of the good guys here. But also sand that was using keep track and and so he was shot down and looked it looks bleak and means she was still up everything's going wrong. I wonder. They really think that the upper hands momentum almost wonder potency from that being that they know this thing. It doesn't work all the time subtle cue they can't rewrite history but they can kind of get little Jeannie wishes they try. Yes I mean you'll definitely theme of the full Cuban and big GE which is. I ever thought about how this issue ads. It's right and you missed earlier couldn. Necessity nozzle that apple they think he'll yes. Bombed the stream caps he wouldn't say. So that's in need of way has been going on Moore Atlanta it you know. I don't really get it about what we see here it's cult like it quickly. Art Steve aides with Kobe in this you know on space but there. And you know coping with the results of the protective order. Yes cell. You know she's very dark place herself like she got shattered Sheen was rejected by Bucky which attracted like I'd like not. So bad that relationship and ended. The heart pass isn't just let me let them. Human space on her where she you know even if you could overcome ignorance opened factory and she's not an emotional and you own she doesn't know. You know she doesn't fully understand what she did and she doesn't know. Why she's alone at this point and shattered an unable to regain her strength we're gonna find inspirational figure who now. How I work he prepared tonight what's old Rothman is back into the full full court press. Low he's here. Manhattan so we we finally know what this spaces. My question is and there's no you can easily answer yet. And so that you sixties and in getting at its base there directing things. So many questions that does the Catholic cat just forget what happened all day to advertise birds will there be. And that it would take that's going on there light. Until much right now. That has the character development I don't I don't say and I think a lot of people have been saying of this story it. You know the second public returns everything's going to be re written all the damage is going to be race like. All the consequences are gone. If they like their there's still going to be long lasting ramifications of bits and and big problems that are leftists Altman. You know. Even if Steve came out of it a 100% fine leg. The world a slogan remember. Cell. Without getting into which he felt so what you think. Things and and every issue I felt. That. Yes so they're they're definitely going to be lasting effects of this event. Regardless of what it. Of course keep you. That meant one less senate you know. What is this this story is kind of we're reaching its peak we're reaching hates Sarah and so we've seen the character Steve Rogers questioned and interrogated on it boiled down. And and expensive told us these not ready story that's stories on this but let's start service to stereo with a what are you can think this kind of stacks up eight election what stories come to mind when you're reading. You know. Oh I mean obviously have to and that's really low hanging for politics you have to kind of like refer back to the original secret and Ireland that's going on. But also. Their like that before an earlier there it. Our recurring theme in this sort of very subtle ominous caps or is easy can it replayed. I'm if you look back answer would be like. 2002003. And marvel knights ran Captain America you get started. Steve who is functioning inane post 9/11 oral for the first time any have the sort of redefinition of who he Anthony's are questioning. What the you know at the quote unquote dream is and I think that that's something to kind of look at when years when you're trying to profit this story. My finger at the scene but obviously I I don't know I'm discussing here in the credit C a Steve that's. Going to have to deal with some sort of you know re prioritizing. His own image like he's having. A little bit of a brand crate here like his identity have been co opted in such a way that. He's gonna have to do a lot of work in you know either finding himself again or finding a way that he can get people that truck again. Or even deciding if that matters like anything but it also historically we've seen. Steve if an opt in offense but he you know he realizes that he. Has more important things to do more interpersonal things but he needs to due to situations. In a position where he feels like he can take responsibility. And I think the app also on the table. So we have got previews be forthcoming issue. I'm not. On the telephone which which we can know about these another incumbent dismissed shortly mom so what are we seeing here. So we've seen Steven mitnick. So you know this this interaction is going to be. A very large part. You know the wrap up of secret empire and how. How things are solvent how things come together Michael Vick has always been at the center of this even though we haven't seen much of her throughout the event because we broker at the beginning of it. But but this is the point where. You know we start to see those people these people like both of them are in a very dark place that they can get out of are gonna start to claw their way back so. Well all right. We gotta have another preview here I even more at that's that are now Canada. A lot of gun let us looking at I believe he. This is. So so this is the culmination of the attack and cat five. So we are going to see. You can listen and so we are going to be the culmination. What Condit been defeated in Ian being kind of force to come to the table and you know discussed terms. And in the time all the forces are converging on the capital while he's trying to do all the diplomacy the Vatican have yet silent. A fine combo of a lot of punching and a lot of a lot of trying to get people to surrender kiran unconditionally but he's a very busy man in this could. And the movie remain friends and that's that's on. The beautiful brown and Woodrow doesn't conflict heated cross and boom. A strategy of Edmonton in the main island. Like this you know and caps and arrow. If it bought hat a red skull of and the moon it would mean now yet let you know is. At the Nike has run the begin being killed and I'm. Ex wife and that's how I love. And three time actually. These are really not if not it actually the at the winner sold art at which would end about the tenure at cap. It's the one responsible for kind of outing him the winner smoldered and like you know yet again lately hate them. And that would have been stepping into the world these bath and that's. That's like really. From singles perspective but he did steal the thunder all. At. More coming up in issues not attend and in a Magnum. Secret empire so I don't think all of our guests for coming on making so much for joining us like a lot. Thanks so much fun I think you all very much for watching secret empire is on shelves now my name is Walt taking the suspect inside marvel at ABC news digital. Thank you for watching.

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