Tom Phillips ( )

Date: January 22, 2013 07:15PM Posted by:Date: January 22, 2013 07:15PM

Anon or this wrote (in < >)



<What are you Tom trying to provoke in Holland? It seems as though you keeping trying to get his attention and when that doesn't work, your escalate your behavior trying to provoke a response from Holland.>



I am not trying to provoke anything nor trying to get Elder Holland's attention. He has responded to my measured letter with a rant. He is the one who huffs and puffs, not me. He's the one with the problem, not me.



<Are you trying to get Holland to tell your children that he's wrong and you're right?>



I just want him to be honest. Then, my children and others may more freely make up their minds.



<If so, that will never happen and you will be continually disappointed and frustrated.>



Never say never. You are a very poor judge of a person if you say I will "be continually disappointed and frustrated." You don't know how blissfully happy I am. You sound like a typical Mormon who thinks there is no happiness except in the Church. How wrong you are and i hope, one day, you will achieve the peace that comes from knowing the truth.



<Hopefully your children will one day respect you again, and hopefully, not with the helping of Holland.>



What a nasty comment. What makes you think my children do not respect me? What possible reason is there for them to disrespect their father who has earnestly searched for truth. Is it more natural for them (and presumably you) to respect Elder Holland for telling deliberate lies in conference and his writings?



If lying and crocodile tears are the way to gain respect, I do not want it. There are enough lovers of truth on this board who have already and repeatedly expressed extremely kind thoughts towards me. I feel their respect and I do not think they respect Elder Holland.



A comment about your own show of respect. I could be wrong and, if so, I apologise. But you seem to disrespect Elder Holland by calling him "Holland". One of my children would not refer to him as such. They would give him his title "Elder".



If I choose, I may call him Jeff because that is how he signs his name to me, and how he refers to himself when he used to phone me. I could also drop calling him Elder because I have lost respext for him. I thought he was a better man. However, I am calling him Elder Holland to you, out of respect for those who hold him in esteem.



I just wish he would do the honorable thing for them and admit his defense of the Book of Mormon is bunkum.



I like this quote "It is the duty of every man, as far as his ability extends, to detect and expose delusion and error." - Thomas Paine



Also this, from the MormonThink website :" We want the Church leaders to be 100% open and honest with the members so we can be 100% open and honest with our children, families, friends, investigators and fellow members. Is that too much to ask?"



By the way, who are you Anon for this? Can't back up your words with your name or usual handle?



Tom