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[5:19:26 PM] Andrew: afgahns mmr is 3k

[5:20:01 PM] Alex Clermont: I mean

[5:20:09 PM] Andrew: I am talking to him right now

[5:20:22 PM] Alex Clermont: how could his mmr be 3k

[5:20:24 PM] Alex Clermont: with vhs

[5:20:28 PM] Alex Clermont: games on his dotabuff

[5:20:33 PM] Andrew: Sintanic Jebus: wtf man

Sintanic Jebus: message me when you get the chance

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: what is going on

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: i just slept 22 hours non stop... i am super sick

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: ask nothimg matters i went to throw up right before my last 1vs1

Sintanic Jebus: ummark dota profile from pvt

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: sure

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: done

Sintanic Jebus: how do you get into NEL games with 3k

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: if you look closely at the game on dotabuff http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1124379597

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: you can see it's NEL august

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: and it says "played 3 months ago"

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: it was an expired NEL season

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: it was an actual IXDL-O game

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: and the host

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: marked it as NEL

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: for lolz, because he was couched in NEL

[5:21:04 PM] Alex Clermont: that makes perfect sense

[5:21:08 PM] Alex Clermont: but it doesn't explain the vhs skill gaes

[5:21:17 PM] Andrew: vhs?

[5:21:56 PM] Alex Clermont: It represent the average skills of 10 players during the match (Not yourself skill). For example you and 9 of other have MMR average above 3800 they will set Very High Match.

One the other hand if you 3800 above and party with someone around 3000 - it mean other party will have pp whom 3800 and around 3000 as well . So the average skills of this match will be HIGH -- not Very High

[5:21:59 PM] Alex Clermont: very high skill

[5:22:03 PM] Alex Clermont: i copy pasted thaat

[5:22:13 PM] Alex Clermont: very high skill games represent3.7k ++

[5:22:27 PM] Andrew: well his mmr is 3k

[5:22:32 PM] Andrew: I am looking at it right now

[5:22:43 PM] Andrew: and I see no reason for us not to let him play

[5:22:47 PM] Andrew: he is not breaking rules

[5:22:50 PM] Alex Clermont: Q: What does 'normal', 'high', and 'very high' skill mean?

A: It's an information given by Valve in some (not all) matches. It will tell the average skill level of the players in that game. If you want to relate it to MMR, normal tends to be < 3k, high is from 3k-ish to around 3.8k, and very high is over 3.8k.

[5:23:08 PM] Alex Clermont: if he has vhs games he shouldbt be allowed to play

[5:23:15 PM] Alex Clermont: mmrs can be inflated and deflated

[5:23:30 PM] Alex Clermont: and it isn't 1 or 2 vhs games

[5:24:11 PM] Alex Clermont: its kidna obvious

[5:24:15 PM] Alex Clermont: he calibrated early

[5:24:19 PM] Alex Clermont: so his mmr is low

[5:24:25 PM] Alex Clermont: all his rankedgames are less than vhs

[5:24:32 PM] Alex Clermont: and his normal or hidden mmr games are vhs

[5:24:55 PM] Alex Clermont: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/151578828/matches?date=&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&game_mode=®ion=&faction=&duration=

[5:24:57 PM] Alex Clermont: compared to

[5:25:11 PM] Alex Clermont: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/151578828/matches?date=&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=normal_matchmaking&game_mode=®ion=&faction=&duration=

[5:25:21 PM] Alex Clermont: ranked games hold you strictly to your mmr

[5:25:35 PM] Alex Clermont: thus he calibrates early and mmr isn't actually representative

[5:26:13 PM] Alex Clermont: we would call it smurfing

[5:30:20 PM] Andrew: hmh

[5:30:37 PM] Andrew: does it rule list say anything about people with low mmr but high skill lvl?

[5:30:49 PM] Alex Clermont: i mean its smurfing

[5:30:51 PM] Alex Clermont: flat out

[5:31:00 PM] Alex Clermont: regardless if youre using a new account

[5:31:07 PM] Andrew: yeah

[5:31:08 PM] Alex Clermont: your mmr isn't representative of what it should be

[5:31:13 PM] Andrew: okay

[5:31:30 PM] Alex Clermont: if he wants to discuss it with me i can explain further

[5:32:20 PM] Andrew: hes not mad about it

[5:33:10 PM] Alex Clermont: alrighty

[5:41:56 PM] Andrew: hes not super out of his mmr ragne

[5:41:59 PM] Andrew: he only 3k

[5:42:02 PM] Andrew: hes not that good

[5:42:05 PM] Andrew: and he hardly plays

[5:42:14 PM] Andrew: and its not a smurf

[5:42:19 PM] Andrew: i don't think he should be kicked

[5:47:03 PM] Alex Clermont: idk how you argue that

[5:47:07 PM] Alex Clermont: hes 3.7k

[5:47:10 PM] Alex Clermont: in truth

[5:47:19 PM] Alex Clermont: mmr can be left as static as he wants it to

[5:47:38 PM] Andrew: i can see 3k mmr on his acc

[5:47:44 PM] Alex Clermont: yes

[5:47:51 PM] Alex Clermont: mmr can be left as static as you want it to

[5:47:57 PM] Alex Clermont: ie he calibrated early

[5:48:10 PM] Alex Clermont: hes clearly above the 3.2k line

[5:48:13 PM] Andrew: we don't have prove hes above his skill

[5:48:17 PM] Andrew: let me finish this game

[5:48:20 PM] Andrew: and will talk about this

[5:48:39 PM] Alex Clermont: isn't it our job to ensure people aren't over the skill cap? if we have evidence he is, and we have a wealth of it

[5:51:53 PM] Alex Clermont: if i can prove hes above the 3.2k, and its not like hes 3.3, hes somewhere 3.7-4k, and i can,he shouldn't be allowed to play no matter how often he plays

[5:52:17 PM] Andrew: http://i.imgur.com/qPzEnQS.png

[5:52:43 PM] Alex Clermont: ? what does that prove lol

[5:52:48 PM] Andrew: idk he just sent me that

[5:52:49 PM] Alex Clermont: he has just as many high and normal and very high

[5:53:04 PM] Alex Clermont: and its clear his normal

[5:53:06 PM] Alex Clermont: are ranked games

[5:53:24 PM] Alex Clermont: i calibrated early at like 1.6k

[5:53:33 PM] Alex Clermont: i could have kept that number there as long as i wanted to

[5:54:53 PM] Trevor Noble: Well judging people from what dotabuff says is about as misleading as mmr

[5:55:06 PM] Trevor Noble: I've gotten high skill games and im at 3k

[5:55:15 PM] Alex Clermont: dotabuff itself says

[5:55:18 PM] Alex Clermont: vhs is 3.7k

[5:55:18 PM] Alex Clermont: +

[5:55:30 PM] Alex Clermont: ive got high skill games and my solo is 2k

[5:55:31 PM] Andrew: rules don't say dotabuff games need to be normal skill

[5:55:35 PM] Andrew: just says you need under 3kmmr

[5:55:40 PM] Alex Clermont: ?

[5:55:43 PM] Alex Clermont: and if he has vhs

[5:55:47 PM] Alex Clermont: which, he clearly does

[5:55:49 PM] Andrew: vhs???

[5:55:52 PM] Alex Clermont: very

[5:55:55 PM] Alex Clermont: high skll games

[5:56:05 PM] Andrew: he has a 38% win rate with those games

[5:56:10 PM] Andrew: or somting bad

[5:56:22 PM] Alex Clermont: there is proof

[5:56:25 PM] Andrew: and we should we kick him out cuz of the people valve puts him with

[5:56:34 PM] Alex Clermont: if i que unranked

[5:56:42 PM] Alex Clermont: i get put in proably 2.8k games

[5:56:44 PM] Alex Clermont: if i que ranked

[5:56:47 PM] Alex Clermont: i get 2k

[5:56:48 PM] Alex Clermont: flat

[5:57:08 PM] Alex Clermont: im not going to argue this

[5:57:12 PM] Alex Clermont: hes clearly above 3.2k

[5:57:20 PM] Alex Clermont: if you want to keep him you can

[5:57:35 PM] Alex Clermont: but theres plenty evidence and logical reasoning why he shouldn't be allowed

[5:57:56 PM] Alex Clermont: and a winrate, which is dependent on your team mates

[5:57:59 PM] Alex Clermont: but getting placed into the game

[5:58:00 PM] Andrew: i don't think he should be ban, but if you guys think so go ahead

[5:58:42 PM] Alex Clermont: what you say goes

[5:58:45 PM] Alex Clermont: why don't you think he should be banned

[6:01:16 PM] Alex Clermont: http://www.dotabuff.com/players/151578828/scenarios?date=&hero=&skill_bracket=&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&game_mode=&duration=&metric=skill

[6:01:21 PM] Alex Clermont: 0 ranked games at very high skill

[6:01:36 PM] Andrew: 1. He dosnt really play in games

2. He is well know around DHD

[6:01:51 PM] Andrew: 3. When he does play he plays for fun and never stomps

[6:02:25 PM] Andrew: 4. He dosnt break anyrules, we don't have a rule that says if dota buff says your a high skill then you cant play

[6:02:32 PM] Andrew: 5. Hes not a smurf

[6:02:33 PM] Alex Clermont: no, we have a rule that says no smurfing

[6:02:38 PM] Alex Clermont: alright

[6:02:41 PM] Andrew: hes not a smurf

[6:02:47 PM] Alex Clermont: no, his account isn't fake

[6:02:51 PM] Alex Clermont: his mmr is clearly deflated

[6:02:56 PM] Alex Clermont: him being a nice person

[6:03:11 PM] Alex Clermont: isn't what letspeople into the guild

[6:03:21 PM] Alex Clermont: people join this guild to play with people under a certain skill cap

[6:03:37 PM] Andrew: hes not breaking any rules

[6:03:42 PM] Alex Clermont: ?

[6:03:45 PM] Alex Clermont: hes above 3.2k

[6:03:47 PM] Alex Clermont: isn't that the core rule

[6:03:54 PM] Andrew: HES NOT ABOVE

[6:03:58 PM] Andrew: I AM LOOKING AT HIS ACC

[6:04:00 PM] Alex Clermont: no shit

[6:04:02 PM] Alex Clermont: my solo is 2k

[6:04:08 PM] Alex Clermont: i don't play solo ranked

[6:04:13 PM] Alex Clermont: its that easy

[6:04:17 PM] Andrew: hes not breaking anyrules

[6:04:26 PM] Andrew: we have no soild edeivce for this mmr

[6:04:29 PM] Alex Clermont: ive

[6:04:32 PM] Alex Clermont: literally given you

[6:04:33 PM] Alex Clermont: loads

[6:04:47 PM] Andrew: those arnt facts

[6:04:54 PM] Andrew: no mmr numbers behind those games

[6:05:15 PM] Alex Clermont: https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=dotabuff%20very%20high%20skill%20games&oq=dotabuff%20very%20high%20skill%20games&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j69i60j69i64.3824j0j4

[6:05:45 PM] Andrew: we don't have rule that says what you are saying

[6:05:47 PM] Andrew: so we cant kick

[6:06:15 PM] Andrew: anyone know has EVER said that hes too good

[6:06:19 PM] Andrew: that he cant play

[6:06:24 PM] Andrew: hes not like hes going in games and stopm

[6:06:28 PM] Alex Clermont: so

[6:06:29 PM] Andrew: and people are getting mad

[6:06:36 PM] Alex Clermont: because he isn't on a new account with 100 hours

[6:06:43 PM] Alex Clermont: we ignore all his vhs games

[6:07:14 PM] Alex Clermont: if you want to ignore dotabuff

[6:07:23 PM] Andrew: i am not ignoring it

[6:07:41 PM] Alex Clermont: show me something on the dotabuff that says his mmr isn't deflated

[6:07:59 PM] Andrew: stokens, we have no rule to kick him

[6:08:07 PM] Alex Clermont: if you say so

[6:08:11 PM] Andrew: do we?

[6:08:13 PM] Andrew: plz tell me the rule

[6:08:15 PM] Andrew: if we do

[6:08:37 PM] Alex Clermont: Die Hard Dota is a guild meant for players under 3.2k~ mmr to learn and meet those looking to do the same. The admin team promotes a friendly community committed to keeping a reasonable environment that allows and primes players to recognize mistakes in a forgiving manner. One must understand that Dota 2 is a generally overly competitive environment. Not listening to your team when they are trying to reason with you, thinking your way is the only way, or criticizing every mistake is an easy way to avoid making friends. We cannot control every players actions and we can only subjectively decide on what information is at our disposal at the current time. There is no black and white in the majority of decisions the admin team makes therefore one must understand the majority is grey area.

[6:08:39 PM] Alex Clermont: first sentence

[6:08:51 PM] Alex Clermont:

Smurfing

* Staff must make decisions together with a wealth of evidence. a member simply being good does not warrant a ban. Staff looks for things like consistent domination, Dotabuff evidence, as well as anything else that can be found to help aid the investigation.

[6:09:08 PM] Alex Clermont: sounds like that's accurate to me

[6:09:20 PM] Alex Clermont: if you want him in because hes a nice guy i might as well put that on too

[6:09:21 PM] Andrew: hes not smurfing

[6:09:33 PM] Andrew: just cuz he didn't play ranked dosnt mean we can kick him

[6:09:39 PM] Alex Clermont: lol

[6:09:40 PM] Alex Clermont: my god

[6:09:43 PM] Alex Clermont: keep him

[6:09:49 PM] Alex Clermont: im taking out the rule if were not following it

[6:09:59 PM] Andrew: you have his dota

[6:10:00 PM] Andrew: buff

[6:10:01 PM] Andrew: and that's it

[6:10:07 PM] Andrew: lets put it to a vote

[6:10:11 PM] Andrew: all admins must vote

[6:10:14 PM] Alex Clermont: what do youhave?

[6:10:18 PM] Alex Clermont: you have his shown mmr

[6:10:23 PM] Andrew: i don't have to prove anthing

[6:10:24 PM] Alex Clermont: and him being a nice person

[6:10:24 PM] Andrew: anything

[6:10:26 PM] Alex Clermont: lol

[6:10:30 PM] Andrew: hes not breaking any rules!

[6:10:33 PM] Alex Clermont: alright

[6:10:36 PM] Andrew: so i don't have to prove anything

[6:10:39 PM] Alex Clermont: lmao

[6:10:50 PM] Andrew: idk your problem is with this guy

[6:11:05 PM] Alex Clermont: i actually have zero problems with him

[6:11:14 PM] Alex Clermont: i asked him to 1v1mid me and he kicked my ass and i wanted tolearn

[6:11:18 PM] Alex Clermont: i said gg and that was fun

[6:11:19 PM] Alex Clermont: lmao

[6:11:23 PM] Alex Clermont: im literally as subjective as possible

[6:11:27 PM] Alex Clermont: youre saying hes a nice guy

[6:11:38 PM] Alex Clermont: and that he doesn't play certain heroes

[6:11:58 PM] Alex Clermont: i have solid logical evidence

[6:12:03 PM] Alex Clermont: you are saying he isn't a breaking a rule

[6:12:09 PM] Alex Clermont: when i clearly show his mmr is deflated

[6:12:16 PM] Alex Clermont: and that he is very likely about 3.2k

[6:12:18 PM] Alex Clermont: above*

[6:12:22 PM] Andrew: that's not a rule

[6:12:26 PM] Andrew: mmt deflation

[6:12:28 PM] Andrew: mmr*

[6:12:36 PM] Alex Clermont: lol im done

[6:12:42 PM] Andrew: no explain

[6:12:45 PM] Andrew: how that is a rule

[6:12:46 PM] Alex Clermont: mmr deflation isn't against the rules

[6:12:48 PM] Alex Clermont: that's obvious

[6:12:54 PM] Andrew: so what did he do wrong?

[6:12:56 PM] Alex Clermont: but if he have reason to believe he is above 3.2k

[6:12:58 PM] Alex Clermont: WHICH WE DO

[6:13:05 PM] Andrew: you have dota buff

[6:13:06 PM] Alex Clermont: that is the core rule of dhd

[6:13:06 PM] Andrew: that's it

[6:13:10 PM] Alex Clermont: what do you have ?

[6:13:11 PM] Alex Clermont: once again

[6:13:16 PM] Andrew: call me

[6:13:22 PM] Alex Clermont: why?

[6:13:28 PM] Alex Clermont: i can articulate an argument through text

[6:13:34 PM] Alex Clermont: you saying

[6:13:37 PM] Alex Clermont: "i don't have to prove anything"

[6:13:49 PM] Alex Clermont: is not an argument and i wont bother explaining further to somebody who thinks it is

[6:14:03 PM] Andrew: call me plz

[6:14:12 PM] Alex Clermont: i'm not wasting my time further

[6:14:16 PM] Alex Clermont: you guys can vote

[6:14:19 PM] Andrew: call me

[6:14:51 PM] Michael O'Daniel: dude there is no rule against having "Deflated MMR"

[6:14:56 PM] Alex Clermont: lmao

[6:14:57 PM] Michael O'Daniel: so we can't kick him

[6:15:03 PM] Alex Clermont: I CAN PROVE

[6:15:05 PM] Alex Clermont: HE IS ABOVE 3.2K

[6:15:08 PM] Michael O'Daniel: how

[6:15:23 PM] Alex Clermont: THE ONLY REASON

[6:15:27 PM] Alex Clermont: HIS MMR IS NORMAL SKILL

[6:15:28 PM] Alex Clermont: OR BELOW 3K

[6:15:29 PM] Michael O'Daniel: we have him friended and his MMR is below 3.2k

[6:15:31 PM] Alex Clermont: IS BECAUSE HE DOESNT PLAY RANKED

[6:15:42 PM] Alex Clermont: WHEN HE PLAYS RANKED

[6:15:43 PM] Alex Clermont: IT BECOMES NORMAL

[6:15:46 PM] Alex Clermont: IE DEFLATED

[6:15:51 PM] Alex Clermont: BECAUSEOF EARLY CALIBRATION

[6:15:55 PM] Alex Clermont: WHEN HE PLAYS UNRANKED

[6:15:58 PM] Michael O'Daniel: but it doesn't matter his MMR is below 3.2k

[6:16:00 PM] Andrew: call me

[6:16:03 PM] Andrew: stokens

[6:16:04 PM] Alex Clermont: lmao no

[6:16:13 PM] Michael O'Daniel: we have no rule against this

[6:16:17 PM] Alex Clermont: if you say so

[6:16:25 PM] Alex Clermont: dotabuff doesn't make up number

[6:16:26 PM] Andrew: why wont you call me?

[6:16:26 PM] Alex Clermont: s

[6:16:34 PM] Alex Clermont: because nobody is speaking any sense

[6:16:57 PM] Michael O'Daniel: dude we can't kick him because there is no rule against what u say he has

[6:17:10 PM] Alex Clermont: if somebodys mmr on their profile

[6:17:12 PM] Alex Clermont: is 3.7k

[6:17:13 PM] Alex Clermont: do u kick him

[6:17:21 PM] Andrew: we are obvi miss understand each other

[6:17:22 PM] Andrew: call me

[6:17:25 PM] Alex Clermont: yes or no

[6:17:41 PM] Michael O'Daniel: his MMr isn't 3.7k

[6:17:44 PM] Alex Clermont: yes or no

[6:17:51 PM] Michael O'Daniel: yes

[6:18:06 PM] Alex Clermont: https://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=dotabuff%20very%20high%20skill%20games&oq=dotabuff%20very%20high%20skill%20games&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l3j69i60j69i64.3824j0j4

[6:18:08 PM] Alex Clermont: so figure it out

[6:18:58 PM] Michael O'Daniel: it doesn't matter what dota buff says his MMR is below 3.2k he is allowed in the in house he does not break any rules

[6:19:06 PM] Alex Clermont: yeah

[6:19:08 PM] Alex Clermont: igot rid of the smurf rule

[6:19:09 PM] Alex Clermont: don't worry

[6:19:10 PM] Alex Clermont: :)

[6:19:16 PM] Andrew: add that back plz

[6:19:23 PM] Michael O'Daniel: he isn't on a smurf rule

[6:19:34 PM] Michael O'Daniel: he isn't on a smurf*

[6:19:41 PM] Alex Clermont: a smurf isntjust having anew account

[6:19:47 PM] Michael O'Daniel: I know

[6:19:50 PM] Alex Clermont: ?

[6:19:54 PM] Alex Clermont: so

[6:19:54 PM] Andrew: stokens is you vs all

[6:19:54 PM] Michael O'Daniel: but no smurf has 5k hours

[6:20:01 PM] Andrew: re add the rule plz

[6:20:05 PM] Alex Clermont: you can

[6:20:13 PM] Alex Clermont: i'm not efnrocing any mmr rules from here

[6:20:21 PM] Alex Clermont: do what you will

[6:20:23 PM] Michael O'Daniel: nut it is so unlikely

[6:20:33 PM] Alex Clermont: my god

[6:20:39 PM] Alex Clermont: 5k hours isn't the point

[6:20:41 PM] Andrew: if you are not gonna enfoce rules i cant leave you as guild officer

[6:20:41 PM] Alex Clermont: he has vhs

[6:20:46 PM] Alex Clermont: go for it

[6:21:16 PM] Michael O'Daniel: but that is not in the rules

[6:21:35 PM] Alex Clermont: Smurfing

* Staff must make decisions together with a wealth of evidence. a member simply being good does not warrant a ban. Staff looks for things like consistent domination, Dotabuff evidence, as well as anything else that can be found to help aid the investigation.

* This is a guild for members to learn, a member dominating in every phase of the game does not accomplish that, if staff hears reports of such behaviour we reserve our right to make a decision.

[6:21:37 PM] Michael O'Daniel: having vhs games is not in the rules

[6:21:44 PM] Andrew: togeather

[6:21:46 PM] Alex Clermont: """""""""""Dotabuff evidence"

[6:21:48 PM] Andrew: and all of us are saying

[6:21:53 PM] Andrew: we shouldn't be kicked

[6:21:53 PM] Alex Clermont: you have 2 people

[6:21:56 PM] Andrew: you have 1?

[6:21:59 PM] Michael O'Daniel: and it says a wealth f evidence

[6:22:05 PM] Alex Clermont: listen

[6:22:07 PM] Alex Clermont: to what i say

[6:22:10 PM] Alex Clermont: this is the last time i say it

[6:22:14 PM] Alex Clermont: and if you dotn agree so be it

[6:22:15 PM] Michael O'Daniel: not one piece of evidence

[6:23:14 PM] Andrew: put the rules back plz

[6:23:20 PM] Alex Clermont: im out of the guild

[6:23:26 PM] Michael O'Daniel: why

[6:23:34 PM] Andrew: Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: I thought when you guys made this league, it was for people to have fun games. a thing that is sometimes difficult in public matchmaking.

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: I came in for that reason and i don't think i've stopped anyone from having that either

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: I don't really see where is the problem since i am not smurfing and i am not stopping anyone from having fun games

Λ ƒｇｈａｎ 火水气土: the rules are mainly ment for people to be able to have fun games, aren't they ?

[6:23:45 PM] Michael O'Daniel: because u don't follow the rules u wrotew

[6:23:53 PM] Alex Clermont: lol

[6:24:01 PM] Alex Clermont: dotabuff

[6:24:03 PM] Andrew: quit lol plz

[6:24:03 PM] Alex Clermont: does not make up numbers

[6:24:05 PM] Andrew: trying to talk this out

[6:24:09 PM] Alex Clermont: no you arent

[6:24:11 PM] Alex Clermont: youre ignoring dotabuff

[6:24:13 PM] Alex Clermont: 100%

[6:24:18 PM] Andrew: no i am not

[6:24:29 PM] Michael O'Daniel: yes but we need a wealth of evidence

[6:24:33 PM] Alex Clermont: so what is your conclusion of very high skill games?

[6:24:35 PM] Alex Clermont: what more do youw ant

[6:24:41 PM] Alex Clermont: his mmr is low

[6:24:43 PM] Michael O'Daniel: and there is more evidence pointing twards not

[6:24:45 PM] Alex Clermont: there is a clear disparity

[6:24:49 PM] Alex Clermont: when he ques ranked

[6:24:51 PM] Alex Clermont: he gets normal games

[6:24:55 PM] Alex Clermont: when he q's unranked

[6:24:57 PM] Alex Clermont: he gets vhs

[6:25:02 PM] Michael O'Daniel: it doesn't matter how good he is

[6:25:04 PM] Alex Clermont: lol

[6:25:06 PM] Alex Clermont: cya