[Fri Aug 07 18:39:49 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Its fine - =D Just getting set up'

[Fri Aug 07 18:39:58 2015] You tell your raid, 'evening folks'

[Fri Aug 07 18:40:10 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'hello!'

[Fri Aug 07 18:40:10 2015] View tells the raid, 'hello'

[Fri Aug 07 18:41:17 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Bonlgon u want anyone else from Rosen here?'

[Fri Aug 07 18:41:28 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'yea gimmi a couple of mins'

[Fri Aug 07 18:42:09 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Dojii, can you invite Mhadlovins from ceaseless?'

[Fri Aug 07 18:42:32 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'is barlow coming?'

[Fri Aug 07 18:42:57 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Hes working. Sadly no. Ill be chatting with him via text though'

[Fri Aug 07 18:46:50 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Hail friends'

[Fri Aug 07 18:46:57 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'heya'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:03 2015] First tells the raid, 'yo'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:05 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '/wave'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:09 2015] First tells the raid, 'omg skelly is back?'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:22 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'yea skelly was on TDY'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:25 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'howdy'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:41 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'military called for me'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:43 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'Good evening'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'evening'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:45 2015] View tells the raid, 'Heya'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:45 2015] Skelly tells the raid, ':p'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:50 2015] First tells the raid, 'really? well thanks for your service man'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:56 2015] First tells the raid, 'ola'

[Fri Aug 07 18:47:57 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'not a problem'

[Fri Aug 07 18:48:05 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'good evening all'

[Fri Aug 07 18:48:28 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'getting some food and water so it doesn't spam my logs lol :D'

[Fri Aug 07 18:49:14 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Use gamparse, can filter raidsay'

[Fri Aug 07 18:49:41 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'You and your logic'

[Fri Aug 07 18:49:49 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '*Shakes fist*'

[Fri Aug 07 18:51:05 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'who all swaggin'

[Fri Aug 07 18:51:12 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'shoot sorry '

[Fri Aug 07 18:51:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'you guys know anyone else that wants to join tonight?'

[Fri Aug 07 18:52:10 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'We'll have a couple people joining from our guild that are lagging behind. Toxn and/or Sagnid'

[Fri Aug 07 18:52:22 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we need Last Guardian here'

[Fri Aug 07 18:52:27 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'and Breeze lol.'

[Fri Aug 07 18:52:27 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Saytonic too'

[Fri Aug 07 18:52:41 2015] First tells the raid, 'rosen and darkwind'

[Fri Aug 07 18:54:12 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'can anyone contact someone from TLG and Darkwind'

[Fri Aug 07 18:55:18 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'oh hello'

[Fri Aug 07 18:55:30 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'sagnids here, think Toxns passed out somewhere, not responding'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:10 2015] You tell your raid, 'breeze has been on all day but afk'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:28 2015] First tells the raid, 'might be asleep, think she keeps a 3rd shift schedule'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:38 2015] You tell your raid, 'nod'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:39 2015] Emonks tells the raid, 'we're here, don't worry'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:40 2015] First tells the raid, 'birkoff in darkwind is waiting for invite'

[Fri Aug 07 18:57:46 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we're starting in 3 minutes ish'

[Fri Aug 07 18:58:17 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'Hello, Darkwind here'

[Fri Aug 07 18:58:27 2015] You tell your raid, 'heya birk'

[Fri Aug 07 18:59:24 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'bonlgon dropped / maybe fell asleep'

[Fri Aug 07 19:00:01 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'All right anyone else we should add at this time?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:00:40 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Just a thought -- Server downtime was announced a short while ago by Roshen'

[Fri Aug 07 19:01:02 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'what time is it suppose to go down?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:01:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Ok limbering up my fingers'

[Fri Aug 07 19:01:25 2015] You tell your raid, 'leave it to db lol'

[Fri Aug 07 19:02:13 2015] You tell your raid, '"This downtime will start in the next few hours, and once we have a specific time we'll let everyone know. These servers will be unavailable for approximately one hour for this maintenance. "'

[Fri Aug 07 19:02:45 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'log in servers or wut'

[Fri Aug 07 19:02:59 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Total server down'

[Fri Aug 07 19:03:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'rf and lj'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:07 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We gotta get going now :D'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:07 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'My guess is time is limited - has anyone reached a member of Rosengaurd? or RoE?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'roe is here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:22 2015] Emonks tells the raid, 'RoE is here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:27 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'both guilds here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:31 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'We are here, I believe Bon is too'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:38 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'i am'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:50 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Okay yea just for logs. Reps from guilds state your guilds in /rsay'

[Fri Aug 07 19:04:57 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Apokalypsis here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:03 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'Darkwind here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:03 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Rosengard'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'Remnants of Prexus'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:07 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Tempus'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:08 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<False Prophecy> here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:08 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Reign of Eternity'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:10 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'Ceaseless'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:11 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'Evening Reign'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:27 2015] Elovera tells the raid, 'Ebon Hand'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:28 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Ceaseless'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:47 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'apok'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:49 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Sagnid <The Last Guardian>'

[Fri Aug 07 19:05:59 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Twisted Legacy'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:20 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Sagnid , The Last Guardian'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:23 2015] First tells the raid, 'Twisted Legacy'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:33 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'Apok'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:36 2015] View tells the raid, 'Ebon Hand'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:43 2015] Emonks tells the raid, 'RoE'

[Fri Aug 07 19:06:54 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok so to get started and preface the conversation. I expect there to be more discussions in the future and I hope that we can come to a place of mutual respect etc... '

[Fri Aug 07 19:07:09 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We can get another guild to host the next discussion '

[Fri Aug 07 19:07:28 2015] First tells the raid, 'CAF unreachable?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:07:31 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'So on my agenda there will be a bit of our perspective'

[Fri Aug 07 19:07:51 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I don't have anyone in CAF atm. do you guys?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:12 2015] You tell your raid, 'looks like some online, but say not on that i see'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:17 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i have an agenda with 5 topics. and 3-4 points. I want people to discuss and answer questions'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:19 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Not currently. I was just saying about them in tells.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:30 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'asking*'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:32 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Dojii can you invite overcast please, thats toxn'

[Fri Aug 07 19:08:38 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'real quick before we move on, I'm wanting clarification on 'discussion'...does this imply no changes will be occuring tonight?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:09:37 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Im assuming we can get changes into place if 100&PCT; of the guilds agree'

[Fri Aug 07 19:09:39 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'hello and is this where we are going to discuss the Rotation?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:09:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Trackanon is correct. Rules we can all agree upon.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:10:05 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'that's right here in the beginning of the Agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:10:15 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'so first topic is Community Standards'

[Fri Aug 07 19:10:54 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '--- Is Ragefire's long health our priority? (open to discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:10:55 2015] First tells the raid, 'please invite Leche - officer in CAF'

[Fri Aug 07 19:11:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '--- Is Ragefire's longterm health our priority? (open to discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:11:41 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We need to appeak to server health -- Discussion is grand but unless we can come to an agreement to a rotation with fair standards to all this server wont survive'

[Fri Aug 07 19:11:42 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'yes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:11:53 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'yes it should be unless we want the server to close or merge'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:09 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'yes '

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:12 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Many of us plan to play here for many expacs and years'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:13 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Our guild is focused on the long run, the servers health is a top priority for us. its why we are here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:44 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'hello everyone'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:49 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'hi Leche'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:56 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'hello Leche'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:57 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I mean is anyone here not wanting to promote a more healthy server?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:57 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Hello Leche, welcome to the meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:12:57 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'we are here for the long run, we dont just plant to experience the past real quick.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:13:16 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'its not just raid mobs and ortation that is healthy for the server'

[Fri Aug 07 19:13:21 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'its all of our interaction with eachother'

[Fri Aug 07 19:13:36 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoP's standing is that we need to setup the baseline for this "issue" so going forward, we have most of the processes in place. However, we also need to cater to both the hardcore guilds and the more casual raiding guilds, somehow.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:13:37 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'The toxicity between guilds is also a problem - we need to all agree to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Insults and petty disagreements do us no good - And this goes for our membership too'

[Fri Aug 07 19:13:40 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I believe that having a good perspective on where we want to be in the future, can help us treat eachother better now. So there is less friction in the future. and easier change.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:14:16 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'Being from P99, I have seen what an unhealthy server looks like....it ends up being 1 guild left on the server hoping to get some "others" to play with.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:14:37 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is not what I want to see'

[Fri Aug 07 19:14:49 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoP implemented our guild's PNP for our members to follow to go along these types of lines. We don't expect everyone else to come up with similar, but c'mon folks. We're all adults...not in our teens anymore...and, tbh, need to stop the bullshit we've all done to each other'

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:09 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'My issue is I dont see potential for growth on this server right now - the transfers to Lockjaw should be a testament for whats going on - people are leaving'

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:23 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'okay next point of dicussion! '

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:31 2015] You tell your raid, 'they will find not a lot different over there except longer times between xpacs'

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:54 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'so we all want a healthier server'

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:58 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'people left for lockjaw because they wanted a full classic experience'

[Fri Aug 07 19:15:58 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'mobing on'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:01 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '--Everyone has to come into agreement to form a new rotation. (Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:03 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '--Everyone has to come into agreement to form a new rotation. (Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:05 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'nextime we make a metting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:07 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'is there a way we migth be able to get a copy of the agenda so we know what's coming up?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:12 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'can we make it a better time for rosenguard'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:13 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'added Jain to conversation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:18 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Yes overcast'

[Fri Aug 07 19:16:59 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'last discussion - we had all agreed to a new rotation and several guilds have signed of on this.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:17:01 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'I just got 1 thing to say about a healthier server.. Its very simple.. hold your members ot a higher standard or kick htem out.. Thats what i do and if you bring shit to me they get booted..'

[Fri Aug 07 19:17:18 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'The work that has been put into a rotation has been really good (what you guys came up with last meeting), I would like to see some additions to that though. I would like Plane of Sky and the nobles to get added to the rotation as well. Especially if the gatekeeper mob is KOS'

[Fri Aug 07 19:17:22 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'i dont see the point in a discussion when we all know what is needed and whati t takes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:17:39 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'We had a large majority agreement on the proposed rotation in the last meeting. What aspects didnt sit well with the discenting guilds? How we can make it more appealing?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:00 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'okay this meeting, lets make sure we're not skipping around on topics please....'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:13 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'stay on topic, resolve, then move to next'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:16 2015] Anyane tells the raid, 'the rotation rules suck atm cause my guild and other smaller guild have no chance to win a free for all day on raid mobs'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:17 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'To be honest, before any of this takes place. We need to write down once for all, the rules for changing the rotation. As it stands right now. The new rotation is 3 to 2 for'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:28 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '--Everyone has to come into agreement to form a new rotation. (Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:18:57 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Majority rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:07 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'unanimous as on lockjaw'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:25 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'In my last e-mail from Holly she had said "Rules we all agree upon" --- I don't want to quote her out of context.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:44 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'all that does is allow 1 guild to be a holdout'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:47 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I just want to say, becareful what you ask for. One guild can strong arm the entire rotation if we decide to change the rules later down the road.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:51 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I dont see it as being possible to please everyone. We need to find a good way to maintain majority rule'

[Fri Aug 07 19:19:57 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I strongly recommend not asking for a 100&PCT; agreement on changes to a rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:18 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - Can we vote on whether we all agree to Unanimous vs Majority Vote decisions. If so I would like to make a motion that we take a vote on this.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:21 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Could we do a 2/3 majority?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:31 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'So Right now - we have a majority agreement on the new rotation - that is currently posted on the Ragefire forums -- has a majority ruling - currently'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:31 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i be down for 2/3'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:33 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'unanimous'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:37 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I would support majority voting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:48 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'Skype what do you mean by 1 guild strong arming the entire rotation?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:20:53 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I support Majority as False Prophecy'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:03 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'we would be down for 2/3'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:06 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Lets say in Kunark, something comes up and a guild finds a loop hole. They don't want the rotation to change because of it.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:10 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'what would be the difference. The votes will still be the highest votes wins?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:12 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'TLG supports false prophecy proposal'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:16 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'You can't do anything about it because you said, we require 100&PCT; voting rights to change it.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:17 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Just something to think about for right now. All these questions are in the spirit of what is going on. I feel like after we're done and have a clear perspective we can make at least SMALL CHANGES that we can all agree upon. And after we make those small changes we can tackle the harder ones.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:18 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'im with roshen and holly that said all have to agree.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:26 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoP suggestion - majority votes to pass changes of the members ON the rotation. If there's a tie, then the rotation members identify either 1 or 3 guild leaders from guilds not on the rotation to cast votes on the proposed changes. You could make it 2/3rds majority if you like, but depending on the number on the rotation, that may not be possible either'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:28 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'coming to an agreement means that people may have to bend or accept a position they disagree with, some have already made it seem as they are unwilling to do so in some aspects.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:30 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'I just don't think unanimous voting is achievable in most circumstances. Even if we went to a 3/4 majority, it woudl allow the will of the server to be heard, without giving a single guild an opportunity to block what the rest want'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:49 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Voting is not a small change. This needs to be solved tonight before we ever leave this raid.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:21:57 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'you have dodged this question long enough'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:07 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'but if there is a set rotation and the rules of a rotation stand then it has to be followed......I dont see any loopholes really in this off the top of my head'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:09 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I do not agree with 100&PCT; majority on voting, it should be high, but not 100&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:25 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - I understand your point about small vs large changes, and now vs later changes, but I still want to pose the question: can we vote on whether to solidify whether the Agreement Amendments require a Majority Vote vs a Unanimous Vote'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:26 2015] You tell your raid, 'roshen and holly have shown that they don't have a clue.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:45 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'I dont think we as in us are making the decision on 100&PCT; I think that is the GMS'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:48 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'lets move on. This is kind of a grey area. But I just wanted people to think about why we are where we are at right now. Because we have a lot of disagreements.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Moving on!'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:55 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:58 2015] You tell your raid, 'they want to wash their hands of it...tell everyone "come up with a solution, we aren't getting involved" and then imply "all have to agree" - bullshit'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'no, we are not moving on from this'

[Fri Aug 07 19:22:59 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i dont wanna move on'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:01 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lets not move on'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:01 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'wtf are you doing? '

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:03 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i wanna talk about voteing'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:05 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - This is the most important area, whether black, white or gray'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:10 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'this is getting solved right now, or we may as well ask them to depop the raid mobs'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:12 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it's coming up guy'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:18 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it's coming up guys :~)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:18 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why would we move on when we haven't figured out the most important part of all of this lol'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:19 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'it already came upo'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:31 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'nothing can be solved until we figure out who can solve what and how'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:33 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Iol'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:48 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We cannot build without this foundation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:23:58 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'exactly'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:01 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Drillisen logging in now.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:12 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'as we learned last week, you start from the top and work you way down, not jump around'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:23 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'we are being forced to come up with 100&PCT; arent we?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:24 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I would rather take 3 hours to hash this 1 point out tonight and get nothing else accomplished then spend 3 hours talking in circles about everything and get nothing accomplished'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:28 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'The agenda is aimed at building up to making choices and talking about changes. '

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:39 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'so that is what we need to do'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:49 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Ok so - Dojii -- i appreciate you coming forward and organizing -- but we need to MAKE CHANGES now -- not talk about them'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:51 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'The agenda will further compliment what we are trying to accomplish. that's why I say we should move on. to the next point.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:53 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'that is your agenda.. and everyone else here disagree wtih you dojii so yea.. lets get that one thing down before we move on'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:56 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'This is the major choice. Because last week three of us made a choice to change the rotation, and we were denied. Now it needs to be solved.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:24:58 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is not our game....it is theirs so we have to follow their rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:01 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'problem is if we dont all agree we can sit here every damn friday because some guilds feel they are not satisfied with the rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:11 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'what is the agenda?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:16 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'where can I see it?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:36 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'It's coming one point at a time. Patience please.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:42 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - Please note that currently there are no Kunark mobs on the list. Unless something is decided, those mobs will remain FFA unless we make decisions about how to make changes.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'breeze - why the lol? is there some reason that determining how members on the rotation voting for changes isn't the single most important issue?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Bullying, Bullying will not bring about a change in rotation (Please Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:55 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Bullying, Bullying will not bring about a change in rotation (Please Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:25:57 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Bullying, Bullying will not bring about a change in rotation (Please Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:09 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We bullied ROE i'll be first to admit.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:11 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Dojii you spamming new topics wont change a single thing'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:17 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'One of the main reasons this was setup for us to start working together on the server and try to settle some resentment. I want the Euro guilds to be able to raid, and I want the more causal guilds to be part of raiding. My issue is with all the FFA days. I don't see how that helps either one of those two type of guilds.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:18 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Look - We arent just here to talk about changes - We are here to make them -- the topics we are discussing are not relevant to the issue at hand '

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'of course it won't - having rotation members vote on changes via whatever rules are decided are how it's changed'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:20 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we charmed their mobs. we bullied them'

[Fri Aug 07 19:26:30 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'You started this topic at the start of the raid by saying voting needs to be 100&PCT;. We are not moving on until we lock it down. It sets the pace for the entire talks tonight. Otherwise, nothing is getting changed.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:01 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'These issue will all be null and void if the plan is to make everyone happy its not possible'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:02 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'guys listen.....please'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:03 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'guys just be patient please--- the next topic is more towards change. just please discuss'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:03 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'guys listen.....please'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:05 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'guys listen.....please'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:11 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'Holly and roshen already locked it down and said all have to agree'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:22 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'lets go through the agenda...at the end we will open for discussion'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:23 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'lets go through the agenda...at the end we will open for discussion'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:32 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'and spend 3 hours doing that?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:37 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'or we can just start hammering out issues'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:43 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Then there is no point having this talk, because one guild can cockblock the entire process. This needs to be solved or we are wasting our time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:48 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We bullied RoE when they were raiding. We charmed their mobs. Memblurred etc. Bullying is a huge problem and it prevents positive Change.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:49 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We should focus on the issues and not on an agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:55 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'we cant even talk to eachother half the time without getting agro'

[Fri Aug 07 19:27:55 2015] You tell your raid, 'and again, holly and roshen haven't a clue and can't even define "all"'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:00 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Bullying, Bullying will not bring about a change in rotation (Please Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:00 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'how can we make changes and agree?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:13 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'i dont even care if you bullied roe or anyone else.. why discuss it ?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:15 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - yes, i think we can all agree on that - as it links to the server health discussion earlier'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:18 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm not sure if you guys are used to having meetings with agendas, but topics are discussed in there entirety before you move on to a new topic.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:21 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'sort your issues with RoE on your own time and stop wasting mine'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:37 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Matthias was that you on a druid Translocating RoE and talking shit to them for like 2 hours while they were trying to kill innoruuk?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:40 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'you guys wont talk about a topic over 1/2 the guilds want to talk about'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:41 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'How are we ever going to agree on something if you guys arent willing to cooperate on following a simple agenda...we need to cooperate.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:46 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'hows that helping the helth of the server?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:52 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '>>> IF THIS CONTINUES WE GET NOWHERE FAST <<< '

[Fri Aug 07 19:28:52 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '>>> IF THIS CONTINUES WE GET NOWHERE FAST <<< |'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:02 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I believe the majority of guilds presented are being bullied out of discussion how to make changes. There are currently an accumulated 70 pages of discussion on the Daybreak forums, we do not need to be bullied into discussing further.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:05 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'so now we're attacking people? lol'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:07 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Look i appreciate the discussion but lets talk abot the issues'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:07 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'please post a copy of the agenda on ragefireforums.com under the guild leadership forum. THis is absolutely no way to run this, since things are being brought up in a rather indiscriminate fashion. It's obvious you have the notes typed up, and you're not just winging it. Can we start by having some transparency on how this meeting is going to go before we try to solve other issues?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:10 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We're talking guys.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:15 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Dojii, Why are we attacking people?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:18 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'This is why we can't agree. because we can't talk.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:21 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We are here to make changes to the rotation, and Dojii only wants to talk, we cant even talk about how to change the current rotation. This is crap, and it needs to be solved before we move on.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:34 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I just said we had bullied people. The idea is bullying is bad.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:47 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Take your fair share. if you've been a bully try not to do it anymore.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:48 2015] You tell your raid, 'and going back to server health, we all agree on that i believe'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:52 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Bullying isn't going to change things.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:29:56 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I am also not worried about whether you bullied RoE or not. As I mentioned on the Daybreak forums (discussion) I'm not interested in this being a trial, whether accusatory or self-confession.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I just wanted to make that an impotant subject.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:06 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I felt the previous discussion was positive for the most part. people left most of their issues at the door.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:09 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'your bullying us into talking about the subject you'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:12 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we can move on.... anyone still want to talk about bullying?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:13 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'want tl talk about'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:18 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Dojii- The past is over - we need to talk about now - changes to the rotation and whats going to happen @ Kunark launch'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:20 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'not what we want to talk about]\'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:23 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I make a motion that we move to the next topic'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:23 2015] Anyane tells the raid, 'well i tell you what this rotation is bulling the smaller guilds'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'no it's fine. If you guys don't want to talk about it. We can move on. We're almost done with Community Standards'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:34 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Dojii, you are all over the place right now man'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:34 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'no it's fine. If you guys don't want to talk about it. We can move on. We're almost done with Community Standards'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:38 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'The thing is Dojii called the meeting.....can you please be men and let him narrate the topics....then after open discuss? Please show your cooperation because this is the first step in being able to work together to come up with something we can all agree upon'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:48 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'The topic was community standards.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:30:49 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Stop bouncing between topics before they are finished.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:06 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'and what have we learned fomr that topic Doji?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:21 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I'm just worried Bonlgon might not have time so trying to move along as quickly as possible sorry.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:23 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'cooperation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:30 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I second Jain's motion to go back to the voting rules.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:42 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We need to discuss voting rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:31:52 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'okay let's move on to the next topic.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:01 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'If we screw this up, they will despawn the raid mobs. That will happen.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:04 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'oh dont you worry about me dojii.. you arent skipping the important points because of me now are you?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:05 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Motion to return to voting rules has been seconded. Dojii, as moderator, will you call a vote on this motion please?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:13 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm sure Bonlgon would appreciate having this conversation mean something at the end of the night. The fact of the matter is, if you continue to hastily jump from one topic to another without getting anything settled, this meeting will have been a waste of time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:14 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly and skyp called a meeting last week that they didn't attend...when does the cycle end? what needs to happen is a point brought up (or all the points in a subject), we try and hash em out, then move on. if dojii wants to give an agenda so everyone knows what is to be discussed, give it to everyone, then we start with the 1st point on the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:16 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'If you wnat to go forward and be this person Dojii, the entire server will be blaming you and yours for that fault.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:20 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '<ceaseless> would also like to discuss voting rules when it works for meeting flow.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:22 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Who has a voice in the raiding scene, and rotation? Raiding guilds, Casuals? (Open Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:22 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Who has a voice in the raiding scene, and rotation? Raiding guilds, Casuals? (Open Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:31 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, '^^^^ example.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Who has a voice in the raiding scene, and rotation? Raiding guilds, Casuals? (Open Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:37 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm sure Bonlgon would appreciate having this conversation mean something at the end of the night. The fact of the matter is, if you continue to hastily jump from one topic to another without getting anything settled, this meeting will have been a waste of time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:38 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm sure Bonlgon would appreciate having this conversation mean something at the end of the night. The fact of the matter is, if you continue to hastily jump from one topic to another without getting anything settled, this meeting will have been a waste of time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:32:38 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I'm sure Bonlgon would appreciate having this conversation mean something at the end of the night. The fact of the matter is, if you continue to hastily jump from one topic to another without getting anything settled, this meeting will have been a waste of time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:00 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with Drillisen'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:04 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Anyone Who is currently in the rotation should have a Vote it shouldnt Be Easy to get into the rotaion'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:11 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'Raiding guilds for sure other wise all guilds would have been at the table from the first disscussion on the rotation planning and rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:16 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoP - I would hope that the guilds ON the rotation would take into consideration the guilds that can NOT raid 24x7. The guilds that can NOT raid 24x7 also understand some concessions should eb made to those that can (or raid closer to 24x7 than them)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:33 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Honestly ---'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:34 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I think raiding guilds currently and actively killing raid targets should have the voice and vote to change.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:36 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'we can return to topics later guys'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:46 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'shoot right now I still feel like i have no voice '

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:51 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'That isn't going to accomplish anything Skelly.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:33:53 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We already skipped the topic everyone wants to talk about.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:00 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Work on the current topic, get shit settled, and then move on.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'the topic is here now sagnid'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:10 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Bouncing around will only cause confusion, and waste time.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:11 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I just wanted to address bullying'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:16 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - who can and cannot vote is somewhat irrelevant if a unanimous agreement is required to make changes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:17 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'we can return to it lets press on then we can return'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:20 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'before we got to this topic. it's in the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:24 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'I think all guilds that raid shoudl have a voice. The guilds who aren't yet killing the planar gods and dragons, will be in the future, and they have every bit as much at stake in the health and well being of the server'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:26 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Alright im putting my foot down -- Ive had enough -- we talk about the issues that need to be discussed nothing else -- We talk about VOTING '

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:33 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'I think all guilds should have a voice and say not just one guild or set of guilds we all play this server not just the raiders'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:43 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '-- Who has a voice in the raiding scene, and rotation? Raiding guilds, Casuals? (Open Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:49 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We lock down how as a whole we can and cannot change the rotation, or we this fails and they despawn raid mobs. Its that simple'

[Fri Aug 07 19:34:56 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'you are refusing to talk about it'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:02 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'the term "Raiding Guild" has to be defined, as currently due to there being a rotation, the rotation has to be honored and therefore guilds who raid in a limited window are classified as non-raiding as it now stands due to not being on said rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:04 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'thats going to be your problem'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:12 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'we need more bonlgon in this conversation, he's a beast'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:24 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '<False Prophecy> believes everyone has a voice'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we have to be able to talk'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:45 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Your not giving us anything relevant to talk about'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:50 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We are attempting to, you are not allowing the whole to vote on howe to change the rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:35:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'and it's hard, I'm not trying to hasten this too much. Just following an agenda. I want you guys to see how it plays out.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:00 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'and at the end we can go over anything you guys want'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:02 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Where is this agenda posted'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:05 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i'm not trying to silence you'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:06 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'the Agenda is bullshit -- '

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:06 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'i think there should be a mimium guildside of say 20 but after that everyon should have a voice'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:22 2015] Elovera tells the raid, 'What about double vote for those in the rotation and single vote for those not in the rotation. It allows the rotation people to veto silly stuff but it allows a majority of non rotation guilds to come together if needed on an issue'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:22 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'the entire agenda is pointless if the whole does not know how they can or cannot change the rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:25 2015] You tell your raid, 'i would like to hope that guild leaders from all gulds could come to the rotation and be heard. that doesn't mean the rotation bends a knee, but, everyone has good ideas. The issue with that becomes a problem of implementation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:30 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'not trying to silnce him you spamed the topic 4times to clear the screen'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:30 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'DRAGOON ORDER OF VEESHAN believes ALL GUILDS BIG AND SMALL HAS A VOICE AND SHOULD BE HEARD'

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:38 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok '

[Fri Aug 07 19:36:47 2015] First tells the raid, 'why don't we do a roster check and see'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'elov - that isn't a bad idea at all. however, it would require a majority (or 2/3rds vote) and not unanimous'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:09 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I think it's too early to put this in the rules of the rotation, since we don't know how to make changes to the rotation, and that will be required through expansion unlocks'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:12 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'I think everyone on the server should have a voice of course'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:30 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Jain hit the nail on the head.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:39 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Are you guys against lowering the 100&PCT; requirement to make changes to the rotation?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:37:54 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I think the point is that Dojii does not seem to want change, he seems to walk too talk. We are here to talk about change. That requires votes.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:05 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Well to be plain. To update the current rotation we need to decide whose voice is being heard. and I think the 5 major guilds that are actively farming.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:19 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'we have to be able to talk in order t make changes.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:24 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Then let's those 5 guilds vote on this quickly so we can move on to business'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:27 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'casual voices are imiportant but shouldn't change rotation rules atm.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:38 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'then each agenda Should be discused and voted on before moving to the next agenda this ia cluster atm'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:38 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'imo *'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:42 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We are talking, but we are being bullied out of talking about voting.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:43 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'The rotation needs to change Dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:44 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Because I cannot think of a single discussion topic we can have that will be worthwhile without understanding what it takes to make changes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:48 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'Thank you I HAVE NO VOICE'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:50 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why do we even need to vote? it seems we can edit the rotation at will anyways'

[Fri Aug 07 19:38:58 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lets just all edit it at our own wills'

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:04 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'and what do you define as Casual Dojii?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:15 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Expecting every guild to agree on every topic is unrealistic. You will never make changes if that's what you are trying to promote. Changes should be made with a majority vote.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:33 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii - is that a discussion point you're bringing up or something you are stating as being part of the rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:37 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Skyp your question -- '

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:44 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Majority ruling needs to occur expecting 100&PCT; wont happen'

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:54 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i think is where we need to discuss '

[Fri Aug 07 19:39:56 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'a supermajority woudl raise the bar on the amount of votes needed, without stalling any changes from ever being made. '

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'especially since 100% wasn't needed to start the current rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:16 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Couldn't agree more, Marth.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:24 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Agreed marth'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:28 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Agreed Marth'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:32 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Ceaseless agrees with Marth'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:33 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'this Converstaion is BULL SHIT IF ALL GUILDS DONT HAVE A FRACKING VOICE"'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:36 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Then vote then'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:49 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'removing Sunruy'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:52 2015] Elovera tells the raid, 'I think 100&PCT; of the rotation guilds have to be represented for a decison to be final but I don't think 100&PCT; majority should be required.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:52 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'sorry'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:53 2015] Leche tells the raid, '1 for 100&PCT; 2 for Majority rules 75&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:40:58 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I think it's clear to see that most everyone wants to have majority of votes required to change.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:08 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:10 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'You can't remove people from the conversation if they disagree with soething you said....'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:11 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:13 2015] Elovera tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:17 2015] Leche tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:21 2015] Overcast tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:23 2015] Mylene tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:26 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Add her in Dojii - Removing her was wrong'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:31 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:38 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - please invite sunruy back to the discussion'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:45 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Did we really remove them?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:50 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'If you cant handle this meeting in a fair manner -- I'll do it'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:52 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lol'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:52 2015] Jain tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:41:55 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Yes, Dojii removed them.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:04 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'please add that person back'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:13 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'not taking invite. just trying to calm them down.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:18 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'to eliminate spams'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:20 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'I guess the new thing is to remove anyone that doesn't agree with what you say.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'RoP votes 2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:32 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'ok So Majority rules on the Voting 75&PCT; majority takes it'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it's not that just want to stay focused'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:35 2015] View tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:39 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'now what is the next Thing on the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:50 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Were there any opposition votes? Or can we edit this into the rules right now'

[Fri Aug 07 19:42:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'I'd like to see Apok and RoE's vote for the logs'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:00 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Props to Leche to guiding this conversation in the right way.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:03 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'i didn't see any opposition'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:03 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'But that's a blank vote, really. What is the majority? The top 5 guilds, the top 4 guilds?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:04 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'I saw no votes against'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:07 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'ah why the hell you invite me back'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:08 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I see a majority of the guilds want to have a majority vote of 75&PCT; to change the rotation rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:16 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, '75&PCT; Breeze.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:20 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, '75 anyway.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:22 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'All guilds get a vote Breeze'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:23 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Apok and RoE votes are requested, 1, 2 or abstain'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:34 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'it was not me to leaving I was boote3d from the chat'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:45 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'So if there are 5 guilds, it would take 4 votes to make changes.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:43:52 2015] You tell your raid, 'sunruy because you have a say - and we're all frustrated - so please try and keep the tone down :)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:09 2015] You tell your raid, 'sunruy - and we wanted you back because we thought that was wrong'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:11 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'i dont see voting on the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:23 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'then why are we here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:31 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'It just got put on the agenda by the majority of hte people in this meeting?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:33 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Your agenda makes no sense'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:38 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why are you wasting everyone's time if nothing is going to get solved'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:41 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'I think everyone that has the capacity to raid should have a right to vote fp,ceaseless, rop should be able to vote'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:42 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Well then Melveny, the agenda was missing something.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:45 2015] Breeze tells the raid, '2'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:45 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We made a motion to vote on it'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:46 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'I did not leave the converstation I was booted from this chat till i said something in chat'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:49 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'RoE what do you think? unanimous or 75&PCT;?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:51 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I agree with Breeze.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:53 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Whoever posted this Summit Place the next Agenda on the table'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:53 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'as a casual raiding guild, I absolutely do NOT have a problem with guilds in current rotation having a larger voice in changes to the current rotation, but it's nice to think that ours as well as others voices would be heard even in that case'

[Fri Aug 07 19:44:55 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'THe motion was seconded and carried'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:09 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'the gm's already said all guilds have to agree, you're wasting time'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:18 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, 'i agree with breeze'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:21 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'yes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:30 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'next Topic'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:30 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'and now tht RoE also agrees we are missing 1 guild'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:37 2015] Mylene tells the raid, 'I agree with Ryanilin'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:46 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'when you mean raid. Do you mean just raid PoHate? or kill gods / dragons?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:45:47 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Melveny - No guilds have voted against 75&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:00 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'The vote is currently unanimous'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:06 2015] Melveny tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:13 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Who should be able to Vote on the rotation? 1. Everyone . 2. Just guilds on the rotation. '

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:21 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'was that to me Dojii?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:24 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I personally would like a unanimous vote from all guilds in Rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:31 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'EVERYONE'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:33 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'How does this work on Lockjaw?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:38 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'is malvony voteing for apoc ? i though dojii was the guild leader'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:42 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'That isn't realistic, Dojii.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:43 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Dojii you all over the place '

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:45 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'LJ is unanimous'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:48 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Need to figure your shit out'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:53 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'who cares about Lockjaw'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:54 2015] You tell your raid, 'ok - so since Apok doesn't want to work with everyone, there's no need to continue this and we'll all go to DB and ask them to despawn the raid mobs until people can play nice, correct?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:46:57 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Its 51&PCT; on lock jaw'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:02 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Just my opinion, please don't bully a bro.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:12 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'In most democratic societies unanimous votes are only required for convicting on criminal charges. Amendments usually only take a majority vote.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:18 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'I am ok with Marthisdil'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:21 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'i agree if someone is unwilling to accept terms of 99&PCT; of the votes they should be excluded'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:38 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok so can we make a comprimise'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:45 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We are not a jury choosing whether to convict a criminal here. Unanimoous voting should not be needed.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:45 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'how does 80&PCT; sound?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'fyi - lj roptation rules "At any time, changes to this agreement may be made by a vote of the majority of rotation guilds. "'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:46 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'No Comprimise'

[Fri Aug 07 19:47:58 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'how does an 80&PCT; majority vote sound?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:01 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, '75&PCT; is more than majority Dojii, why raise it?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:03 2015] Leche tells the raid, '75 is fine'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:06 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Holly/roshen did say the problem problem was with apok/roe/tl/rg and until we all came to some type of agreement the problems would still manifest.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:09 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Just to disagree?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:11 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'I honestly think a supermajority of 75&PCT; to make a change is exceptionally reasonable. Unanimous decisions are hard to come by, and if we truly are looking out for the long term interest of the server, are not going to serve us well'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:12 2015] You tell your raid, 'lj is a simple majority'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:13 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'your Just being difficult atm'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:13 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '75&PCT; is fine'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:17 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I feel like 75&PCT; is already a compromise from the 51&PCT; we agreed on last week, but I can understand discussion here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:29 2015] You tell your raid, 'people are willing to make it 75% here. we can all start pushing for simple majority and get DB to enforce it because it's the same as lj'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:29 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'i dunno weather its a power trip or what but 7&PCT; was enough for every other guild to agree too'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:31 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, '80&PCT; and 100&PCT; is the same. IT should be 51&PCT; to not allow two of the five guilds currently to block the others.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:31 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'just asking. if anyone would be okay with 80&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:32 2015] Skyp tells the raid, '75&PCT; forces at least most of us to work together, which means 3/5 of us can not make changes to the current rotation, it presently has to be 4/5.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:48:56 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '75&PCT; seems fair to me too. I just like unanimous.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:06 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - RoP's stance there - it's either the 75% we just agreed to, or we will push the point with DB to make it a simple majority like LJs'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:07 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Then join the crowd my friend.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:07 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'with the current 5 guilds, 4/5 would be required to push any changes. I think 75&PCT; is reasonable.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:10 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'was waiting for Gynx to comment on this'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:15 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'well you just proved that 100&PCT; is not possible'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:19 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Well, if you are fine with 75&PCT;, it is unanimous.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:22 2015] Leche tells the raid, '1 person will always be difficult'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:27 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok is this 75&PCT; of the guilds in rotation or 75&PCT; of the guilds on the server?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:30 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'so your disagree with what your saying'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:40 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I don't want to strong arm you but please vote yay, nay, or abstain from this vote'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:41 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'unanamous allows for a lone dissenter every time, just like now.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:53 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why was every guild invited here if we didn't have a say'

[Fri Aug 07 19:49:57 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'The problem with unanimous is that it is veto power'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:13 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'exactly Jain'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:16 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'so i take it has been choosen that the 5 major guilds are the voters and the voice?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:30 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Hang on Sunray = '

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:36 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'see the stuff im seeing, how can we talk/agree on things when all people do is talk crap to eachother'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:37 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We aren't quite there yet'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:51 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'So back on Topic Does Apok agree with 75&PCT;? so we can finalize this'

[Fri Aug 07 19:50:54 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We're waiting for Apok to decide on whether they will vote with the rest of the server, vote otherwise, or abstain from voting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:01 2015] You tell your raid, 'sunruy that hasn't been decided yet'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:09 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'it sure seems like when a 4/5 vote has to pass'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:18 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'The health of the server is on the line, Apok seems to be the bully here.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:20 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'everyone is getting all pissed off, and we are trying to make decisions by listening to feedback'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:23 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'its an example Sunray''

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:26 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'to me all topics Dojii had are ignored......'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:30 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'this is under topic of community standards. I wanted to address the health of the server, agreements on changes, bullying, and who has a voice. We're almost done with Community Standards'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:30 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is horrid'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:34 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'They are discussing, allow them their time'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:39 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'except 1'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:45 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'To be fair, this is a major position change for Apok'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:47 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'Dojii, you're doing it again.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:55 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Smaller guilds are going to raid, even if not in the current rotation. They may not be killing the biggest baddest mobs on the server at any given time, but I've been in several smaller raiding guilds that have raided on their terms, without having to race for the newest content. We should absolutely have a voice, although I think it's unreasonable to think that we could somehow band together and block the actual guilds on the rotation from doing anything either'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:55 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I do not mind if they discuss it internally, as long as it doesn't take all night'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:57 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'This Summit does not continue until Dojii confirms his place on the voting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:51:58 2015] You tell your raid, 'gynx - everyone else has chosed on the 75% rule except Apok. Once you guys vote, it will dictate where things go next'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:14 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'However if it does take all night and it's the only thing we accomplish it will still be more than we've accomplished in two weeks'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:19 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'but you didnt call this meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:23 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Exactly Jain'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:34 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'the voice i heard is all guilds should have voice but the talk is 4/5 guilds need to vote to make changes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:40 2015] You tell your raid, 'gynx - if Apok votes 2 - i.e. 75% vote required for changes, the next subject becomes - are all guilds given an opportunity to vote on changes, and of those that vote, 75% have to pass? or just the guilds on the rotation get a vote, and 75% have to vote to pass.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:44 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I believe I speak for every other guild here, however, when I ask you to not dally, and to not wreck this'

[Fri Aug 07 19:52:58 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'It doesnt matter who called the meeting. You invited the server, and we are choosing to discuss voting. Place a vote, and then we can move on.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:00 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'yea but the current rule is 100&PCT; need to agree to change the rule to 75&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:09 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'So as its Dojii Summit we are waiting on him'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:20 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Dojii vote will decide what goes next'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:25 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'I have a question'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:27 2015] You tell your raid, 'if Apok votes 1 - unanimous - this stops here and now, because there won't be an agreement'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:39 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'GMs said 100&PCT;, why are we trying to change this?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:44 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is their rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:50 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'that is corrent and the rest of the nite 100&PCT; agreement has to happen for anything to change'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:51 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Because they gave us the ability to.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:53:52 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Because the GM's have no idea'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:03 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'are the GM's here ?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:05 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'What we agree here tonight is what is set in stone'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:11 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'they told us to work it out ourselves'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:14 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'thats what we are doing'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:18 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is their box, we should follow their rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:20 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'They have empowered us to make these decisions. Do not throw it back on them'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'because they didn't define all. all could be all guilds on the rotation...all guilds capable of raiding, or all guilds on the server - do you know which they meant? me either'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:25 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'i think they know....'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:26 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Well from my understand from Roshen is that ROE/APOK/TL/RG need to come to an understanding on the agreement, because that's where most of the problems come from'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:28 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Roshen and Holly said, we are to make the rules. They aren't, they are only here to enforce it.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:32 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'If they wanted to make these decisions there would be a GM in here right now'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:36 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'The GM's want us to work this out amongst ourselves. They don't want to dictate what we do. They want the server to come up with a plan, which is what we are here doing.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:38 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'cause the gms said it is up to the server to get this fgured out they wont inforce anything. It is DPS'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:40 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok so According to Lockjaw-- you have to be on rotation to vote. I think this is reasonable.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:56 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'we dont care about lockjaw'

[Fri Aug 07 19:54:59 2015] You tell your raid, 'breeze - sorry but TLG is on the rotation, too, and gets a say'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:00 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'i dont '

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:00 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'we are here to set our own rules'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:02 2015] First tells the raid, 'vote on the question at hand please'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:10 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'this is not LJ ...'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:21 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'so we all need to play ball or else we throw everything FFA and just keep screwing each other over'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii and according to lockjaw, it's a simple majority of votes on the rotation to affect change'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:24 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We're talking about editing the ROTATION RULES'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:39 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'let's vote again'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:40 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Vote NOW -- Who can vote on rotation rules going foward --- 1. Everyone . 2. Only guilds on rotation '

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:46 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'ok'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:48 2015] First tells the raid, 'we have a vote on the floor'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:51 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Lockjaw uses 51&PCT; for votes. Are we use lockjaws rules now?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:53 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Vote 1 for 100&PCT; 2 for 75&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:57 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Matthias wait'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:58 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - who will be casting the apok votes? please identify that person please'

[Fri Aug 07 19:55:59 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'stop'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:00 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'wait'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:06 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'pause.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:16 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We are waiting and have been for about 10 minutes'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:22 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'did they not say it had to be 100&PCT;?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:23 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'skyp, Breeze, Myself, overcast, bonlgon'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:39 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'there is a 3rd option you failed to consider as well. That all guilds get a voice, but not necessarily the SAME voice'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:42 2015] First tells the raid, 'we have not decided who qualifies yet, we have a vote on the floor on amending it period'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:42 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'editing rules to rotation. who do you think should edit the rules.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:56:43 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'they meant on the rotation if u read the private discussion skyp posted'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:04 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'that was actually the topic we were on when you stop dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:10 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I think changes to the rotation should be done by people in the rotation. However I think how the rotation is set up should depend on everyone.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:10 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'did we just change topics again?'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:11 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Please note that what Dojii is asking is not part of the current vote on the floor'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:18 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'if there was patience you would have seen that'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:31 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:32 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - my question was in regards to any "votes" here - not just from rotation members'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:40 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I'm tryign to host this and getting over thrown :p'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:49 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'because your an idiot imo'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:55 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is true'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:56 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '^ this'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:56 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'Keep the name calling out, please.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:56 2015] You tell your raid, 'leche...no need to do that crap'

[Fri Aug 07 19:57:58 2015] First tells the raid, 'please dont toss in insults'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:02 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'he is being overthrown'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:05 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I second Dojii's motion that he is getting overthrown'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:06 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'you bounce from topic to topic with no true intent of getting anything accomplished'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:16 2015] Jain tells the raid, '(a joke)'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:21 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I third the notion of Dojii being overthrown'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:26 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I want to focus on making changes to the rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:33 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'One generaly does not let the bully dictate who gets the lunch money, because they will always pick themselves to get the most they can, even if forced to share some.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:35 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'but, we really haven't established who can make motions, or vote. I don't see how you can vote on who gets to vote, that doesn't make any sense.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:46 2015] Overcast tells the raid, 'can you invite victory? officer of TLG'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:47 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We all can Breeze'

[Fri Aug 07 19:58:56 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'thats why we are here'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:13 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I think changes to the rotation should be done by people in the rotation. However I think how the rotation is set up should depend on everyone.'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:16 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Breeze, at a business meeting anyone present except the moderator can make motions'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:17 2015] Anyane tells the raid, 'yeah ok we all cant it was said only the 5 major guilds get a say'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:33 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'A moderator?! maybe we should have that here!'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:37 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'This is everquest not a business meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:43 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, '^'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:47 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'maybe we should with all the crap talk im seeing..'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:48 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'This is a business meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:48 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'agree with Bonlgon'

[Fri Aug 07 19:59:56 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I present the motion that Jain leads this meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:08 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, 'if this is a business meeting yall playing the game for the wrong reson'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:14 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, 'reason*'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:17 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Not allowing us to vote on if we can even vote is very toxic.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:47 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Can we please get somewhere tonight with this though, I am tired of all of this, really guys.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:54 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'Dojii can you itemize your agenda here so we all know what you plan to accomplist ?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:55 2015] Skyp tells the raid, 'I am as well.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:00:58 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'A vote has now been on the floor for 20 minutes'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:08 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'what's the vote Jain?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:28 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Whether a 75&PCT; majority vote shall be allowed to make changes to the rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:40 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'of guilds in the rotation?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:41 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, 'we are waiting on 1 guild to finishb this vote correct?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:48 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'he has been trying no one wants to follow his agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:50 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'That wasn't specificed'

[Fri Aug 07 20:01:50 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'yes Apok aka Dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:05 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'didnt we talk about bullying earlier?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:10 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'And in my opinion isn't a necessary detail'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:23 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'but it is'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:29 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'it's a huge issue.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:37 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I vote that Jain acts as a mediator to this, as this meeting as it stands is going nowehre''

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:43 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'does apok feel it's being bullied?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:49 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'because I am sitting here seeing 4 or 5 individuals thinking that they called this meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:02:57 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'im just spectating'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:04 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'there is no cooperation from anyone'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:06 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Then if its only going to be the 5 guilds voting, then 75&PCT; does not work. It needs to be 51&PCT; until a larger number of guilds join the rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:10 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we can move along with changes tonight if everyone in rotation agrees the rotation is changed by 75&PCT; vote by guilds in the rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:11 2015] You tell your raid, 'yeah - when it was roshen that called it ;)'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:22 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'why should he cooperate with you when you are not willing to cooperate with him?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:24 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'i called for a vote and 99&PCT; of people voted thats cooperation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:26 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'for a spectator you type a ton'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:29 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Skyp suggested that the people on the rotation be allowed to vote on changes for the rotation. And I agree that everyones feedback is needed on the rotation though'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:39 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'it does nto matter what you called.....you didnt call this meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:45 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii are you asking to table the vote until we vote on who may vote?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:03:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly - and if skyp had posted first before dojii it wouldbe his meeting - who cares?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:06 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'is this supposed to be a sit and watch thing ? or a discussion ?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:06 2015] You tell your raid, 'it was manded by roshen because he didn't want to get his hands dirty'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:13 2015] You tell your raid, 'mandated'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:18 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'well then skype is definitely able to jhave the next meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:31 2015] You tell your raid, 'he had one a week ago'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:31 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'we already did that meeting, and things got accomplished'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:39 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'but no one is cooperating with him'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:48 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'so at this point this is a pointless meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:04:48 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'but your guild didn't like what happened, so here we are, not getting anything done'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:04 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly - right now, from my viewpoint, it seems that it's Apok that isn't cooperating with anyone. Can you see that?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:05 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'Roshen said that we need to come to an understanding here, to resolve future problems before they happen. (not sure if that is possible though) But let's all calm down a bit'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:10 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'because we called the meeting and everyone thinks this is their meeting and they get to make calls during this meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:10 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'Dojii - Is you "agenda" simply to keep the current rotation and instill rules to keep out as many as possible?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:12 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii please tell us if Apok will be voting on the 75&PCT; proposal'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:16 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'you are mistaking if you think this'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:18 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'your*'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:31 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'if you want to call a meeting then do so but this one is not yours'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:39 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'Our position is 75&PCT; vote for changes by guilds in the rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:46 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'you should allow him to follow his agenda and cooperate with him in doing so'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:53 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I believe if you have not voted after 30 minutes of discussion we should be able to consider your vote as "abstain" and mark you down as neither Yes nor No'

[Fri Aug 07 20:05:57 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Thank you gynx.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:00 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly if that is dojii's stance, then I think we all get to go to DB and tell them to pull all the raid mobs until people can play nice and discuss together.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:01 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Then it is unanimous?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:10 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'We're voting about who is in the Rotation to make changes to the rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:12 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Yes Jain it seems so'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:14 2015] First tells the raid, 'no, apok added a qualifier'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:22 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'he should share his agenda so we know it isn't meant to guide the conversation in a direction that isn't transparent and upfront to begin with'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:25 2015] First tells the raid, 'they changed the question asked'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:30 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i've said it like 5 times?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:31 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'this is a guild summit i thought not a sith there shut up and let apok tell us how it is'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:33 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Gynx the vote was Yay or Nay'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:49 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'you are mistaking if you think dojii is trying to tell you how it is'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:49 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'jain you're pushing for any guilds to change rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:06:50 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Please either vote 1 (Yay), 2 (Nay), or Abstain'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:00 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'if we are going with that... we need every guild here period.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:03 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I'm pushing to remove veto power from this rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:03 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this meeting was for everyone to see each others opinions'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:13 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - the post was public'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:16 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'but that is unable to happen because people want to do their own thing'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:19 2015] You tell your raid, 'people who wanted to participate are here'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:27 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I agree with Marth'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:32 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'things will never change if no one can follow one simple outline of an agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:32 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'You have already invited every guild'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:34 2015] You tell your raid, 'just like skyp's meeting last week'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:34 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with marth'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:34 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is horrid'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:45 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'can we do it like this then'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'no one will EVER get EVERY guild to show up for stuff like this.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:07:59 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'guild that intend on raiding are here, small guilds with no intention of raiding are not required. This is the "everyone" you seek'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:00 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'These things need a mediator someone to keep them in control and call for the votes'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:00 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'well that's what kind of vote jain is asking for.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:02 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'the guilds currently on the rotation vote as to whether or not the other guilds can vote?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:06 2015] Birkoff tells the raid, 'guys it's 3am here.. can we please act as adults and work something out today?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:06 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'The guilds who are interested in resolving this issue have shown up. We are all here.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:19 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'it should not matter if you are in rotation or not to ask or make changes. If onlt peeps in rotation can do that then you are forcing many more peeps out in the cold. All guilds big and small should beable to ask for or make changes cause one day your big guilds will fall then the smaller ones will get bigger that is how EQ History has been proven'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:23 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'ok so we're gonna move on.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:29 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'lol'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:36 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '...okay?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:39 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'How are we moving on? There is a vote on the floor'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:44 2015] You tell your raid, 'WE, those of us hee, are the ones wanting to try and make changes...and have a vested interest...and that will affect the others. we need to come to an agreement on things here, so that it's fair to everyone in the future (best we can)'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:46 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'to hear the voice of the server we need more guilds here.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:46 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Are you abstaining from the vote?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:47 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We cant move on'

[Fri Aug 07 20:08:57 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i didn't have any vote in my agenda.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:03 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'so not sure what agenda you're on Jain'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:06 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'no one sees your adenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:07 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Allthe guilds are here that want to be heere Dojii '

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:09 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i'll bring up the last point'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:09 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'we haven't seen your agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:21 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii, no.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:23 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii you can't make them come. i'm trying to explain that. however, if we implement things for them to have a voice, it's just as good'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:24 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Im not a big fan of Apok's Secret Agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:32 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'We are not unanimously moving forward with the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:43 2015] Dojii tells the raid, '---Who has a voice in the Raiding Scene, Who can change the rules to the rotation? (Discuss)'

[Fri Aug 07 20:09:45 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'I move that we table this discussion until we can see the agenda and have a clear understanding of how the meeting will be conducted'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:06 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'we can agree with rotation guilds editing the rotation by a 75&PCT; vote.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:08 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'well then make it loud and clear on all chat channel that a meeting is in session or when the next meeting is so all guilds can and will represented here'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:13 2015] You tell your raid, 'everyone- sec...just so we're clear - we have a unanimous vote of the guilds here that 75% should be the percentage to affect change. The next vote discussion is whether that only applies to the guilds on the rotation or any guild willing to vote, correct?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:19 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'that has to be the 5th time i've said that.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:30 2015] First tells the raid, 'yes marthis'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:44 2015] Elovera tells the raid, 'What about a gatekeeper that shows you have a serious intent to raiding such as dracolich. If you've killed him you are on the voting list but people in the rotation have a higher vote weight'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:45 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'dont post it on the forums where most of this server does not go to. I just found out about this meeting this morning'

[Fri Aug 07 20:10:59 2015] You tell your raid, 'dojii - you enjoined the 2 pieces to that vote tho. the first part was unanimous or 75%...the second part, which hasn't been discussed or voted on, was rotation guilds only, or all guilds who wish to vote'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:01 2015] Breeze tells the raid, 'making tea, I will re-read all the fighting in 3-4 mins'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:16 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'I believe so Marth'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:18 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why do we need Apok's holdout vote if there vote wont effect anything? since they've already agreed to 75&PCT;'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:21 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Dont trip on your oxygen'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:38 2015] First tells the raid, 'because they wrote in a response instead of answering the vote on the floor'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:42 2015] Eaza tells the raid, '4/5 already agreed, why do we need that last vote when it wont make a difference'

[Fri Aug 07 20:11:43 2015] You tell your raid, 'matt - please, i beg you, quit with the insulting stuff - it doesn't do anything for anyone.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:00 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'There is going to be a major change in capabilities once the next expansion comes out. Will teh gatekeeer always remain Draco until the end of time? Or will it change to an updated mob in the next expansion?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:09 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii, if Apok is voting 1 (Yes) to the vote I will add it to the document. However the vote didn't include anything about rotation guilds'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:14 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'because the original rule was 100&PCT; vote Eaza'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:24 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'which apok already agreed to 75'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:28 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'so, no'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:35 2015] Elovera tells the raid, 'I would say that it would be voted on at that time'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:41 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I do believe the next vote should be who can vote though (I know this sounds silly but look at us)'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:46 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Jain chill man'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:47 2015] You tell your raid, 'the current rotation has no provision for making changes'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:54 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Who can vote will change at each unlock'

[Fri Aug 07 20:12:57 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'you're really trying to steer this in another direction'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:06 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Vote NOW -- Who can vote on rotation rules going foward --- 1. Everyone . 2. Only guilds on rotation '

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:08 2015] You tell your raid, 'not in current rules, nor in proposed'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:17 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I don't really have to steer it, everyone is facing this way'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:21 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Marthisidil has the right of it. You wrote a rotation that does not allow people to change it, other then you. That needs to change.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:25 2015] Matthias tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:35 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:36 2015] Drillisen tells the raid, 'He's trying to steer it in the rotation it needs to go in, Dojii'

[Fri Aug 07 20:13:51 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:07 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:14 2015] Overcast tells the raid, '1'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:32 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'again Dojii being overthrown'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:41 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'GM already said untill all guilds agree idk why ur voting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:42 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'this is pointles'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:45 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'I would however, add the caveat taht I think rotation guilds shoudl get a larger vote'

[Fri Aug 07 20:14:59 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'why aren't you guys voting, is a better question'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:10 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I'm doing the agenda, I never asked for a vote.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:11 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Can you provide a link to that Melveny, I don't recall seeing it said that way.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:13 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'holdouts are wasting everyon'e time'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:13 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'because it isnt in our agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:17 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'that is why'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:20 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly - i hate to say this, but i think a lot of this could have been taken care of last friday if Apok and Roe had been active participants in some way.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:20 2015] Elovera tells the raid, '1 with note to Ryanilin's option'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:21 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'so when you guys are ready to move on with the agenda. Let me know.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:22 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'I have yet to see your agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:28 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'We need to vote on things or nothing gets done'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:34 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'because you cant shut your mouth long enough to see it'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:39 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'plus there is nop agenda viewable'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:41 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'i'll just move on '

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:45 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly - hate to tell you, but this is OUR server - me, you, dojii, eaza, sunruy, first, etc, etc....OUR server. thus this whole meeting is OUR agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:45 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'No'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:50 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'it wasnt posted how where we to prepare?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:50 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'no each guild small or big should get equal voice not a bigger voice that counts to swaying the rulles their way''

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:53 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'I heard jain trying to do what TL did last week.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:55 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Dojii, can we please get a copy of the agenda posted to the ragefire forums? Yes or NO?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:56 2015] Trackanon tells the raid, 'Where is this agenda?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:57 2015] You tell your raid, 'get over yourself, and Apok's self, and realize that we're all here TOGETHER'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:59 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'that is fine'

[Fri Aug 07 20:15:59 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'If there is an agenda post it please'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:03 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'then call your meeting'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:04 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'how about we just move on with the agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:08 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'dont take over someone elses'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:09 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Dojii, can we please get a copy of the agenda posted to the ragefire forums? Yes or NO?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:10 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'If there is an agenda post it please'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:14 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Community Standards discussion is done.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:16 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'its on the forum from holly and from roshen in skyps pdf'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:16 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'moving on'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:26 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'jain just listen'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:29 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'will you please answer my question?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:35 2015] You tell your raid, 'skelly - skyp did last week - where were you guys? were you there to affect change? why is your meeting suddenly more important to that one? i'm confused'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:41 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'We are not moving on until the vote is finished.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:42 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Next Topic-- Future of the Server'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:43 2015] Dojii tells the raid, 'Next Topic-- Future of the Server'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:58 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'sorry but I had things to do'

[Fri Aug 07 20:16:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Current topic - Who can vote, how many votes are required.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:00 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Current topic - Who can vote, how many votes are required.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:01 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Current topic - Who can vote, how many votes are required.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:06 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'like deployments'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:06 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'Dojii, I am asking a question, and you're simply ignoring me'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:17 2015] Janglespur tells the raid, 'look at you all, there will be no future'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:28 2015] You tell your raid, 'and the rest of the Apok officership? do you even see what you're saying?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:35 2015] Gynx tells the raid, 'To Sagnid: Rotation guilds can vote, 75&PCT; vote by rotation guilds'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:36 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Dojii I am trying to listen but your agenda talking points are more like a sermon or something, we didn't really come here to listen but to figure out together what's going on'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:52 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'I agree with Jain'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:54 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Does anyone oppose 75&PCT; of rotation guilds to make changes?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:17:57 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'cant even talk to eachother but you expect to be able to vote and agree?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:01 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'thank you jain'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:07 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'ok listen up'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:13 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'here is the entire agenda'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:14 2015] Bonlgon tells the raid, 'Yea Melveny.. thats why im here'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:18 2015] You tell your raid, 'again - we're all here, in a game...this is our server...and you big guys, and us littler guys, can all make a difference in how all this stuff goes where everyone can have fun. i just don't understand the whole roadblocks, by anyone'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:23 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Does anyone oppose 75&PCT; of rotation guilds to make changes? Last call'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:26 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'can we please clear chat'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:34 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'so we can post it'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:39 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'can we please get it posted it the forums, so we can refer to it while the wall of text moves?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:43 2015] First tells the raid, 'can you please post it on a forum'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:51 2015] First tells the raid, 'tab to everquest.com, post it, and let us know its up'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:51 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'i oopsose the 75&PCT; rotation guilds making changes'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:52 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'hold on 1 second'

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:52 2015] Leche tells the raid, 'let skelly talk '

[Fri Aug 07 20:18:59 2015] Sagnid tells the raid, 'Post this agenda on the forums, dont type it.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:01 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'clear chat please'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:15 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'yes Jain, as those on the rotation will have the ability to limit the access of that rotation'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:17 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'No opposing votes - 75&PCT; of rotation guilds to make changes, editing this into the Rules section of the document as unanimously agreed on'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:27 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'ok agenda is getting posted to the forums'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:33 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'please keep chat clear and be patient'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:37 2015] Sunruy tells the raid, 'I OPPSOE IT I SAID IT BEFORE'

[Fri Aug 07 20:19:57 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'umm jain what are you doing exactly?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:20:36 2015] Eaza tells the raid, 'I personally don't appreciate being asked to come to a meeting that was designed to clearly be one guild's soapbox, with zero intention of getting anything accomplished'

[Fri Aug 07 20:20:37 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'ok I will let everyone know when the agenda is posted'

[Fri Aug 07 20:20:47 2015] Mhadlovins tells the raid, 'there is opposition prior Jain, scroll up. Unless you are only registering those in the rotation.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:20:56 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'ok the agenda is posted on the forums'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:04 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'Please add RYTHIAM to the rotation discussion'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:05 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'can you please bring it up and follow along'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:09 2015] Ryanilin tells the raid, 'eq or ragefire Skelly?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:16 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'eq'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:19 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'Ah, I have had editing rights from the rotation document removed. Understood.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:35 2015] Jain tells the raid, 'That's very interesting.'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:42 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'ok now that everyone has the agenda please take a moment to look over it'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:49 2015] Melveny tells the raid, 'Why are you trying to change the rotation?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:21:49 2015] Matthias tells the raid, 'What?'

[Fri Aug 07 20:22:01 2015] Skelly tells the raid, 'I would like to ask ever