silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member At&t Will it still have a 250GB cap?



tiger72

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Saint Louis, MO tiger72 Premium Member Re: At&t It's ATT.



So of course not.



dib22

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said by silbaco: Will it still have a 250GB cap?

And only $20 per GB overage!



rudnicke

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Rantoul, IL 1 recommendation rudnicke Premium Member Best Best story graphic ever! Trollface AT&T.



antdude

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US antdude Premium Member Re: Best said by rudnicke: Best story graphic ever! Trollface AT&T.

Good as Death Star.



cp

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Wheaton, IL cp Premium Member Provide it to areas that really need it! This whole competitive fiber crap is really obnoxious! Why not provide it to areas that REALLY need it because there are no other options. Chicago is Comcast/AT&T land. We're lucky we even have that, however we have no choice for fiber that's reasonably priced. Why? Purely for competition reasons.

silbaco

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USA silbaco Premium Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! Chicago would be a tough city to deploy in. I don't think the city would cooperate to Google's likings.



delusion ftl

@comcast.net delusion ftl Anon Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! yep, unions and the most corrupt political machine in america make Chicago (and other places) less appealing for a project like this.



Karl Bode

News Guy

join:2000-03-02 2 recommendations Karl Bode News Guy Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! Well to be clear, AT&T very much likes the latter.

Terabit

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said by delusion ftl : yep, unions and the most corrupt political machine in america make Chicago (and other places) less appealing for a project like this.





Then again, I do recall seeing a lot of (most likely) illegal aliens deploying fios for the Texan company with the contract. After all, these guys loved to wave the flag on Monday, then turn around on Tuesday and exploit the backs of foreign nationals, to save a dime. Fair enough. Based on your own rationale, then surely in nonunion states you guys should have 100GB/s service.Then again, I do recall seeing a lot of (most likely) illegal aliens deploying fios for the Texan company with the contract. After all, these guys loved to wave the flag on Monday, then turn around on Tuesday and exploit the backs of foreign nationals, to save a dime.



fg8578

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said by silbaco: Chicago would be a tough city to deploy in. I don't think the city would cooperate to Google's likings.





I don't live in Chicago and so can't speak to the current political environment, but they played ball once before, I don't see why they wouldn't again. Chicago is home to the original fiber-based "competitive access provider", Metropolitan Fiber Systems (the remnants of which were merged with Verizon), which strung fiber directly to major businesses in the downtown area back in the 80s using abandoned underground water pipes back when telcos limited fiber to the interoffice network.I don't live in Chicago and so can't speak to the current political environment, but they played ball once before, I don't see why they wouldn't again.



michieru

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Denver, CO michieru Premium Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! Last thing I remember was that Chicago was broke.

TBBroadband

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Only if other cities were more like Chicago and stopped giving things away they'd be better off.



tshirt

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Because Chicago wouldn't provide the sweetheart deals that KC and Austin gave google for Google OR AT&T.

AT&T has the technical capability and the financial depth (IF the choose to force customers elsewhere to pay) to match google in Austin.

It's good business/PR to force the city/Google to reveal the exact terms/subsidies Google will receive and at who's expense those are provided.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27

El Paso, TX Kamus Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! said by tshirt: It's good business/PR to force the city/Google to reveal the exact terms/subsidies Google will receive and at who's expense those are provided.





The promise of gigabit service for just $70 is much more effective PR. Well, if it's good PR you are interested in, you are looking at the wrong company.The promise of gigabit service for just $70 is much more effective PR.

TBBroadband

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It's provided at the people's expense.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! In the end, people are going to pay, I just believe USERS should be paying, and not just ALL people.

Wyngs

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Coos Bay, OR Wyngs Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! Yes, let's put a toll gate at every intersection, make the drivers pay, and do away with infrastructure taxes. Of course, it might take you 10 hours to go 20 miles, but at least the users will be the ones paying.



tshirt

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Snohomish, WA tshirt Premium Member Re: Provide it to areas that really need it! Or some of it can be vehicle registration fees and some as gas taxes or annual mileage fees at least as far as cars and trucks go.

but that is somewhat different then building private or public Internet provider networks.





cork1958

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join:2000-02-26 cork1958 Premium Member Re: ATT response part2 said by pkorx8: ATT response part2 will be the "there is no real demand for 1Gbps fiber..."



(inline with Verizon's BS response.)





I'm still hoping the day comes that AT&T and Verizon crash and burn to death!! At least that would be closer to honesty. Only pickles with no life even think they want or need that speed and the price!!I'm still hoping the day comes that AT&T and Verizon crash and burn to death!!



mr sean

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join:2001-04-03

N. Absentia 1 recommendation mr sean Two tickets please In short, expect 1 Gbps residential fiber connections from AT&T right around the time Margaret Thatcher raises from the grave to personally oversee the construction of an official Margaret Thatcher amusement park in downtown Austin.

It almost makes me want to root for the Death Star.

But only almost... A zombie Maggie plus an amusement park?It almost makes me want to root for the Death Star.But only almost...

15444104 (banned)

join:2012-06-11 15444104 (banned) Member Re: Two tickets please Instead of providing speeds that very few would actually have use for and certainly not want to pay for, why haven't they made sure to provide wider coverage for DSL in the first place. After all THE TAXPAYER has subsidized AT&T for years and deserves more in return.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member AT&T could in theory do this... ...but they won't.



They have fiber to within a few thousand feet of many homes here in Austin (U-Verse VRADs). It wouldn't take an enormous capital expenditure to push the fiber the rest of the way...and each VRAD can already do multi-gigabit...but AT&T doesn't like spending money unless they can get it back posthaste.



Depending on how you define "materially", AT&T isn't materially impacted if they wire the entire city up for fiber, at a cost of around $300 per subscriber. But I'll bet that their definition of "materially" and their definition of "rollout" are opposite the actual costs of an actual rollout.



Don't get me wrong. If I could get gigabit from AT&T and gigabit from Google, both for $70-$80 per month, I'd probably buy both. But that ain't gonna happen.

xenophon

join:2007-09-17 xenophon Member Re: AT&T could in theory do this... GFiber is Active Ethernet. Isn't VRAD GPON based? If so, ATT may either have to have a cap or not really deliver 1Gbit to all users.



The announcement with the 'cautionary forward looking statements' sounds more like the ATT PR team hastily put this out before checking with the engineers.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19

Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member Re: AT&T could in theory do this... "Forward looking statements" is always tacked onto any press release made by a publicly held company about...well...forward looking statements. No red flag there.



As for GFiber being active vs. U-Verse not being active, I thought I saw a screenshot somewhere of GFiber CPE mentioning PON. Glad to hear it's active though. As far as U-Verse goes, the VRADs themselves are powered by active Ethernet (multiple gigs per). Though in FTTH areas U-Verse is definitely B/GPON.

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Actually they do offer this; just not FREE or under a handout that the stupid shareholders of Google are doing it. It's always been available by them, by the MSOs and Verizon.

iansltx

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Austin, TX ·Time Warner Cable

iansltx Member Re: AT&T could in theory do this... Bitter much?



Seriously though. The cost to provide a residential gigabit circuit, assuming you've got active gigabit fiber to the home and a 10G backbone (or even GPON and 10G), isn't really any more than provisioning a 50M symmetric connection. It's just that ISPs have drawn a line in the sand, mainly based on how fast either DSL or cable can reasonably go, beyond which you get billed for a dedicated connection, and below which you get billed for a shared one. Until recently, that line was far south of a gigabit. Google is fixing this issue...and there are worse things to do with a wad of cash than invest in low-maintenance infrastructure that allows your customers to access your services with zero bottlenecks.



Dominokat

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Boothbay, ME 1 edit Dominokat Premium Member Funny Funny how all these telco-cable companies suddenly come out and say they "CAN" offer 1Gbps... but it is only in areas where Google is deploying their fiber service.



Goes to say what competition can really do. Imagine this country wide! Our internet service and pricing will suddenly improve greatly.



delusion ftl

@comcast.net delusion ftl Anon Re: Funny It's all "magical". Just like how Comcast can magically drop caps (enforcement) and yet their network is not impacted at all, but the entire premise of the caps to start with (that they explained to consumers) is that if they didn't have them their network would slow to a crawl from the boogeymen "abusers".



When utopia rolled into towns in Utah and offered triple play for 90 dollars a month. Magically Comcast could also immediately offer triple play and their fastest internet tier for 90 dollars a month (and still be profitable).



And now ATT magically can deploy 1gpbs fiber without substantial build costs.



I'm always amazed at how much magic there is in the telecom industry.

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You do realize that do offer this already right???



Not Funny

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Funny U say this! Shows people are dopes cause u know if Google COMES TO your town, and the competition gives you equal or better prices and you then support the competition and not google, well then Google will pull out! And then the public stupidity short sighted ness will bomb as the competition seeing how you got duped will the moment google puls out, jack up there prices like crasy and laugh at you.



So please stop this insane drooling over competition, all USA compitition is colluding, only Google is being the Saint the Khalsa Jedi!

sparc

join:2006-05-06 sparc Member so this is AT&T's much delayed April Fools prank? shame on you AT&T... back to the status quo of not believing a word AT&T says.



Duramax08

To The Moon

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San Antonio, TX 1 recommendation Duramax08 Premium Member LOL Am I the only one that finds this freakin hysterical? This is like the best story ever.



AT&T, you're pathetic.

openbox9

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71144 openbox9 Premium Member Re: LOL Nothing hysterical or pathetic about this at all. This it T's playing to force governments' hands regarding regulations, taxes, and deployment requirements. This is a strategic communications effort, not a product/service announcement.



josephf

join:2009-04-26 1 recommendation josephf Member AT&T - A Texas Company, Getting mopped by Google in backyard Don't forget that AT&T is headquartered in Dallas, Texas. And along comes Google and mops the Texan floor with AT&T by providing a high-speed up-to-date modern telecommunication service in Ma Bell the telecom company's own backyard.



LightS

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Greenville, TX LightS Premium Member Re: AT&T - A Texas Company, Getting mopped by Google in backyard They may be headquartered here, but it's not like their service is any better here than other places lol. Still a ton of dropped calls, terrible DSL/U-Verse coverage, etc..



richdelb

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Algonquin, IL richdelb Premium Member Never, ever gonna happen AT&T will NEVER build out a 1Gbps network, ANYWHERE. AT&T will do EVERYTHING possible to prevent Google from doing the same in Austin. This is really pretty funny stuff.



I know exactly why this wont affect 2013 CAPEX: They are NOT going to do it.



trparky

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Cleveland, OH trparky Premium Member The stockholders didn't that news... www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:T



Looks like AT&T's stock price took a bit of a hit with that press release.



The average AT&T stockholder does not want AT&T to invest any more than they absolutely have to into their wireline business.



AT&T's cash cow is wireless. That's the side of AT&T's business that stands to make the most amount of money on their investments, or in market speak... ROI. AT&T's stockholders care only about ROI and there's not much to speak of in the wireline business. Looks like AT&T's stock price took a bit of a hit with that press release.The average AT&T stockholder does not want AT&T to invest any more than they absolutely have to into their wireline business.AT&T's cash cow is wireless. That's the side of AT&T's business that stands to make the most amount of money on their investments, or in market speak... ROI. AT&T's stockholders care only about ROI and there's not much to speak of in the wireline business.

brilinksbri

join:2013-04-09 brilinksbri Member It should be noted It should be noted that AT&T Is not AT&T It is SBC they bought the good name of AT&T. SBC cut their customer service staff when they changed the name.

When SCB/AT&T tried to buy T-mobile one blogger's toung in cheek comment was they were trying to eliminate the contrast in customer service. SBC/AT&T was rated the worst and T-Mobile the best in customer service at the time.

tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY tmc8080 Member what we've got here



This is what happens when you piss off somebody who can do something about the dysfunctional marketplace. Usually you can't force through to allow a company's subsidy of telecom as have been done in Mo & Ks overnight... so obviously AT&T will be forced to rethink possible FTTP deployments in the south & elsewhere. »www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· -MZ2HRHQ

jtel

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Bristol, RI jtel Member 50 Pair Bonded What if they bond a 50 pair cable to each house? (sarcasm)



Anonymous_

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127.0.0.1 Anonymous_ Premium Member Re: 50 Pair Bonded said by jtel: What if they bond a 50 pair cable to each house? (sarcasm)

why not 100 pairs



FFH5

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Tavistock NJ 1 edit FFH5 Premium Member Margaret Thatcher comment not too classy quote: 1 Gbps AT&T connections around the time Margaret Thatcher raises from the grave to personally oversee the construction of an official Margaret Thatcher amusement park Making fun of a woman who just died? Not too classy.



Edit>> The Thatcher passage has been deleted from the story Making fun of a woman who just died? Not too classy.Edit>> The Thatcher passage has been deleted from the story

Gami00

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Mississauga, ON 1 recommendation Gami00 Member Re: Margaret Thatcher comment not too classy it's one of those "Too Soon" things..



he should have waited at least 3 days.

BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Gigabit to the VRADs! And the same puny 24mbps to your house if you happen to live right next to it.

firedrakes

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Arcadia, FL firedrakes Member Re: Gigabit to the VRADs! its att

BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: Gigabit to the VRADs! yup

15444104 (banned)

join:2012-06-11 15444104 (banned) Member More propaganda from ATT You can just see the fingerprints of

ATT CEO Randall Stephenson all over this "claim".

kxrm

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Fort Worth, TX kxrm Member Has anyone considered... that the real desire here is to out Google? If AT&T can't get equal treatment from Austin they will use it to slow Google fiber deployment.