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Anyone who speaks Mandarin and finds errors in translation feel free to tell me, there's so much background noise some phrases are hard to hear.



Part 1 (Mandarin)



(Greetings)

Reporter: DK just won the lower bracket match against iG, can you evaluate DK and iG's performance in that match?



71: The match finished around 6:30pm, we had a meeting until around 7, there were a lot of problems, communication is a big one. Even though I could not hear them communicating, I could tell that a large problem arose in some area by looking at the game screen. We didn't play very well, perhaps the lineup was easier to play/execute. As well, iG didn't play very well either.



Reporter: I saw you guys have an intense discussion afterwards. With DK's condition right now, how long do you think DK needs before TI4 to adjust?



71: That depends on the team's ability to adjust - whenever you can find the strategic framework, style, rhythm that you want, as well as every player's condition. This needs some time and some luck. Also, the main thing is efficiency, and how efficient our adjustments are.



Reporter: I remember last WPC (when DK won) [someone] said that you give the players a lot of support. Do you think DK's problems exist outside of the game or inside the game?



71: Both. What do you mean by outside the game?



Reporter: Such as experience, or mentality....



71: Oh oh then yes, we discuss about those.



Reporter: If you were to rate DK's performance right now out of 10?



71: 6.5. If you consider our performance a while back, including our internal discussions and our change in play, I think 7/10. Nothing higher than 7.



Reporter: I can see that you are very critical/nit-picky right now. (71 nods) Have the players themselves stated or made adjustments to their own individual problems?



71: That is one side of the matter. After this tournament we will be going back to YunNan to train. There's a rule where we take all their phones, only giving them access to it an hr/day, so I guess it counts as boot camp and have some restrictions. As far as each individual goes, that depends on his own professionalism, mentality - I think these haven't been addressed very well, it's a problem.



Reporter: What do you think is their biggest problem?



71: Confront themselves, as in truly become aware of their own weaknesses



Reporter: I remember before TI2, Valve created a short video/advertisement for each team, has this happened yet? [for TI4]



71: We finished filming a long time ago. They started filming the day we lost in the online portion of ECL. [T/N: I'm assuming it was the loss against Newbee in group stage, but I'm not really sure.] It was alright, we filmed for....2 days? We got along pretty well, and even played basketball together...with Americans (smile).



Reporter: Right now, have DK's visa's been approved or...?



71: We've all been to TI before, so we just needed to renew it. The visas can come out after 2 weeks, both in Shanghai and Beijing. If there are no problems, we can get it around.....the 29th? Around the 29th. As for when we are going, I don't even know, because we have to look at everyone else's conditions.



Take Newbee for example, they're playing pretty well right now, I looked online and they had a 17-win streak. After, they only lost in WPC, but they couldn't field SanSheng. When the whole team is together - including the MarsTV league where they won all their games - they've never lost. Because of things such as this, our flight date is not set in stone. If we feel that in China we still have problems against Newbee, then we would definitely have to deal with the problems in China first. Winning and losing aside, we should try and find our own problems, be efficient and solve them.



This year, it is necessary to go overseas to practice as I think the western teams are still strong (? "功力" ?). At The Summit, we were there a day earlier than VG, we got to scrim against all of the western teams at the LAN cafe, and I could watch the other teams practicing - their drafts, strategy, etc - and there were many areas that were different [than Chinese teams]. Their understanding of the game was different. You don't necessarily have to learn from it, but you have to at least understand it. If you don't understand it, you don't know what they want to do, you'll get flustered and if you can't adjust it won't be easy to play against.



Reporter: Recently, DK has been scrimming against other Chinese teams...



71: Pfft....-smile-



Reporter: ...how has DK's winrate been when scrimming?



71: If we are talking about a while back, the day before we came here, we played against VG, 0-3, and Newbee, 0-2. So if we are going by winrate on that day, then it's 0% (smiles)



Reporter: When you smiled was it because of the winrate? When I said "scrim" you smiled...



71: I smiled because I thought you were going to ask me...



Reporter: ...if you guys had been scrimming? Is that it?



71: Yeah...(smiles)



Reporter: At the start of this year, DK showed a strong performance - including winning all their games at SL9, but after coming back from SL9 there was a clear decline. At that point, a lot of fans were saying DK were slower at getting used to the new patch compared to other players. I remember you guys lost your ECL game right after you came back from SL9. Why do you think there was such a big difference?



71: I think it's because the problem arose prior to SL9. During that time, I already told the team that there was a problem that we had to find - at that point we couldn't even find what the problem was. We weren't completely sure of what we were playing. After winning all our games at SL9, I told the team that winning all our games wasn't entirely good. We also won due to the other teams not being in top form, for example Navi and Alliance, and other teams such as Empire and EG....in fact all the western teams...weren't completely familiar with our playstyle. [Can't hear clearly, something about not understanding playstyles.] We didn't encounter any big obstacles, and there wasn't anything that other teams played that we never really saw before, so we weren't really scared. So after winning, I told them that it was because of not understanding playstyles, as well as others were not in top condition. Since we won without losing a game, I was scared that they would let their guard down as championships piled up. There's also things like coming back from an 0-3 deficit to win 4-3 in WPC, these things might cause their mentality to not be as good. [Don't understand his last sentence, something about having to understand not to let their guard down or it'll be bad (?)]



Reporter: It has been quite a while, but you guys have not returned to when you guys were the strongest.



71: That's because we basically threw away the playstyle we had from December to March. We may retrieve a bit from it, if we can combine them with our ideas now.



Reporter: As far as strategies go - including WPC and afterwards - at WPC, perhaps the most memorable was iG's use of Lycan. Against you guys, it was like you guys were determined to not ban Lycan. Why?



71: A lot of people ask me this, including iG's Lycan as well as when I came to ECL, a kid asked me why we didn't ban PA at the Summit. I think people are scared of it too much. You also have to fear Doom and others, there's a lot to ban, so we let the Lycan go to see how it goes. Also, we indeed haven't practiced with iG --------- yeah okay, honest words...we haven't practiced with them, so we didn't know how it would go. We didn't handle it well, and we tried to find the problem and how to deal with lycan. Like I said in my interview in LA, the issues on my part were pretty big.



Part 2 (Mandarin)



The first question was cut out from the video, no clue what the question was, but here was his answer anyways.



71: Definitely not mature, if it was mature then we wouldn't be playing like this in these tournaments.



Reporter: Then do you think 1 month is enough for you guys to make it...?



71: That's why you need luck and efficiency. This isn't a problem of tactics, it's a problem of strategy - it's not a matter of application, rather it's about the method.



Reporter: If right before TI4, you realize that the team can't necessarily master this type of strategy, would you give up on the strategy and go back to what you used before, some older strategies?



71: Let me think...I think that if right before TI4 we realize that the things we are developing and pushing for currently are not a success, then we are screwed. For TI4 we would basically be screwed. But if it wasn't successful, I think it would be my fault, so I will definitely make it work, it must be a success, there is no leeway.



Reporter: Navi hasn't been in good condition these months, do you think Na'vi will adjust appropriately in time for TI4 or will they continue being in this shape?



71: I don't think so. Ah, it's more relaxing that we're talking about Navi now (laughs). First of all we are very good friends, very VERY good friends, since I've been [friends] with them for several years, after tournament games we would go eat together, have a drink, go outside and chat for around 30mins, come back inside, have another drink and then go back outside. At the Summit, there was a party [T/N: He's talking about going to the meet and greet after the finals] which iceiceice went to at around 8-9pm, and he chatted there with Puppey and others until the next morning 7-8am. As far as the team's issues goes, I actually know a bit. It definitely has to do with mentality, Puppey was telling me about how he has to do a lot in the team (such as captaining), and I asked him why they didn't use pudge anymore. He said it was because they didn't have confidence in it, and Dendi said he didn't have confidence to use it well or something like that, so their individual conditions are probably not so good. Also, since they've been in the finals of every TI, they themselves believe they are respected players, and perhaps their mentality is not that good. This time, when we met in LA, Puppey said that him and Kuroky learned a lot from DK, and I said that I also frequently looked at their replays and learned a lot from them as well. It's funny really. On one day, it was the group stage, we picked a lineup, and then right after Navi chose the same 5-man lineup that we did. After that game I told him not to copy our lineups anymore, they played like crap with it (laughs). I think they went something like 1-15, 0-15? He said he was pretty embarrassed by it too. Indeed their condition isn't that great.



Reporter: Before every TI, Navi's condition hasn't been that good, but suddenly at TI they do really well. Do you think the same will happen this year?



71: (softly) Honestly, I don't think they are going to do too well. However, firstly we are friends, secondly since they've gotten to the finals for 3 TIs, there are definitely areas to respect. Take iG right now for example - YYF, 430, Faith and Chuan - they were all part of the iG that won TI2, so there are definitely still some things there. Not only confidence, but they may have some methods to success in their subconsciousness. Since we can't practice with iG, at ECL I go against the cheers of iG fans and stand right in front of iG. I do this for all of iG's tournaments. I try to hear how they communicate as much as possible, and I have to know how they think, how they draft, and how they understand the game.



Reporter: After ECL, there are a few other tournaments such as WVW, what is DK's goal in these tournaments?



71: There is no goal, just play. I don't think we need to win, I don't regard winning very highly.

For example at the Summit we went up against VG in group stage and won, and today we just won against iG - the results were correct but the process was more valuable. I don't need them to win, I just need them to find a way to win. Even if we lose, if we can find the reason why we lost, and it is easy to correct, then it's good. If you win because you targeted a specific strategy or whatnot, the happiness is too short-lived, and it's fairly meaningless. I think you should play normally, try out your ideas in these smaller online tournaments, and see if there is a good result, how good of a result it is and if bigger problems may arise if the strategy is targeted against. I think this is better.



Reporter: Last question, what's your MMR?



71: O_O I don't play



Reporter: .....oh you don't play? oh okay...thanks for the interview



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That's all guys. Please feel free to correct anything I missed. I'm fluent in both languages but my grammar becomes non-existent when translating. ECL interviewed DK coach Wen Yi "71" Tang after DK's lower bracket game against iG. The interview is broken up into two parts.Anyone who speaks Mandarin and finds errors in translation feel free to tell me, there's so much background noise some phrases are hard to hear.(Greetings)71: The match finished around 6:30pm, we had a meeting until around 7, there were a lot of problems, communication is a big one. Even though I could not hear them communicating, I could tell that a large problem arose in some area by looking at the game screen. We didn't play very well, perhaps the lineup was easier to play/execute. As well, iG didn't play very well either.71: That depends on the team's ability to adjust - whenever you can find the strategic framework, style, rhythm that you want, as well as every player's condition. This needs some time and some luck. Also, the main thing is efficiency, and how efficient our adjustments are.71: Both. What do you mean by outside the game?71: Oh oh then yes, we discuss about those.71: 6.5. If you consider our performance a while back, including our internal discussions and our change in play, I think 7/10. Nothing higher than 7.71: That is one side of the matter. After this tournament we will be going back to YunNan to train. There's a rule where we take all their phones, only giving them access to it an hr/day, so I guess it counts as boot camp and have some restrictions. As far as each individual goes, that depends on his own professionalism, mentality - I think these haven't been addressed very well, it's a problem.71: Confront themselves, as in truly become aware of their own weaknesses71: We finished filming a long time ago. They started filming the day we lost in the online portion of ECL. [T/N: I'm assuming it was the loss against Newbee in group stage, but I'm not really sure.] It was alright, we filmed for....2 days? We got along pretty well, and even played basketball together...with Americans (smile).71: We've all been to TI before, so we just needed to renew it. The visas can come out after 2 weeks, both in Shanghai and Beijing. If there are no problems, we can get it around.....the 29th? Around the 29th. As for when we are going, I don't even know, because we have to look at everyone else's conditions.Take Newbee for example, they're playing pretty well right now, I looked online and they had a 17-win streak. After, they only lost in WPC, but they couldn't field SanSheng. When the whole team is together - including the MarsTV league where they won all their games - they've never lost. Because of things such as this, our flight date is not set in stone. If we feel that in China we still have problems against Newbee, then we would definitely have to deal with the problems in China first. Winning and losing aside, we should try and find our own problems, be efficient and solve them.This year, it is necessary to go overseas to practice as I think the western teams are still strong (? "功力" ?). At The Summit, we were there a day earlier than VG, we got to scrim against all of the western teams at the LAN cafe, and I could watch the other teams practicing - their drafts, strategy, etc - and there were many areas that were different [than Chinese teams]. Their understanding of the game was different. You don't necessarily have to learn from it, but you have to at least understand it. If you don't understand it, you don't know what they want to do, you'll get flustered and if you can't adjust it won't be easy to play against.71: Pfft....-smile-71: If we are talking about a while back, the day before we came here, we played against VG, 0-3, and Newbee, 0-2. So if we are going by winrate on that day, then it's 0% (smiles)71: I smiled because I thought you were going to ask me...71: Yeah...(smiles)71: I think it's because the problem arose prior to SL9. During that time, I already told the team that there was a problem that we had to find - at that point we couldn't even find what the problem was. We weren't completely sure of what we were playing. After winning all our games at SL9, I told the team that winning all our games wasn't entirely good. We also won due to the other teams not being in top form, for example Navi and Alliance, and other teams such as Empire and EG....in fact all the western teams...weren't completely familiar with our playstyle. [Can't hear clearly, something about not understanding playstyles.] We didn't encounter any big obstacles, and there wasn't anything that other teams played that we never really saw before, so we weren't really scared. So after winning, I told them that it was because of not understanding playstyles, as well as others were not in top condition. Since we won without losing a game, I was scared that they would let their guard down as championships piled up. There's also things like coming back from an 0-3 deficit to win 4-3 in WPC, these things might cause their mentality to not be as good. [Don't understand his last sentence, something about having to understand not to let their guard down or it'll be bad (?)]71: That's because we basically threw away the playstyle we had from December to March. We may retrieve a bit from it, if we can combine them with our ideas now.71: A lot of people ask me this, including iG's Lycan as well as when I came to ECL, a kid asked me why we didn't ban PA at the Summit. I think people are scared of it too much. You also have to fear Doom and others, there's a lot to ban, so we let the Lycan go to see how it goes. Also, we indeed haven't practiced with iG --------- yeah okay, honest words...we haven't practiced with them, so we didn't know how it would go. We didn't handle it well, and we tried to find the problem and how to deal with lycan. Like I said in my interview in LA, the issues on my part were pretty big.The first question was cut out from the video, no clue what the question was, but here was his answer anyways.71: Definitely not mature, if it was mature then we wouldn't be playing like this in these tournaments.71: That's why you need luck and efficiency. This isn't a problem of tactics, it's a problem of strategy - it's not a matter of application, rather it's about the method.71: Let me think...I think that if right before TI4 we realize that the things we are developing and pushing for currently are not a success, then we are screwed. For TI4 we would basically be screwed. But if it wasn't successful, I think it would be my fault, so I will definitely make it work, it must be a success, there is no leeway.71: I don't think so. Ah, it's more relaxing that we're talking about Navi now (laughs). First of all we are very good friends, very VERY good friends, since I've been [friends] with them for several years, after tournament games we would go eat together, have a drink, go outside and chat for around 30mins, come back inside, have another drink and then go back outside. At the Summit, there was a party [T/N: He's talking about going to the meet and greet after the finals] which iceiceice went to at around 8-9pm, and he chatted there with Puppey and others until the next morning 7-8am. As far as the team's issues goes, I actually know a bit. It definitely has to do with mentality, Puppey was telling me about how he has to do a lot in the team (such as captaining), and I asked him why they didn't use pudge anymore. He said it was because they didn't have confidence in it, and Dendi said he didn't have confidence to use it well or something like that, so their individual conditions are probably not so good. Also, since they've been in the finals of every TI, they themselves believe they are respected players, and perhaps their mentality is not that good. This time, when we met in LA, Puppey said that him and Kuroky learned a lot from DK, and I said that I also frequently looked at their replays and learned a lot from them as well. It's funny really. On one day, it was the group stage, we picked a lineup, and then right after Navi chose the same 5-man lineup that we did. After that game I told him not to copy our lineups anymore, they played like crap with it (laughs). I think they went something like 1-15, 0-15? He said he was pretty embarrassed by it too. Indeed their condition isn't that great.71: (softly) Honestly, I don't think they are going to do too well. However, firstly we are friends, secondly since they've gotten to the finals for 3 TIs, there are definitely areas to respect. Take iG right now for example - YYF, 430, Faith and Chuan - they were all part of the iG that won TI2, so there are definitely still some things there. Not only confidence, but they may have some methods to success in their subconsciousness. Since we can't practice with iG, at ECL I go against the cheers of iG fans and stand right in front of iG. I do this for all of iG's tournaments. I try to hear how they communicate as much as possible, and I have to know how they think, how they draft, and how they understand the game.71: There is no goal, just play. I don't think we need to win, I don't regard winning very highly.For example at the Summit we went up against VG in group stage and won, and today we just won against iG - the results were correct but the process was more valuable. I don't need them to win, I just need them to find a way to win. Even if we lose, if we can find the reason why we lost, and it is easy to correct, then it's good. If you win because you targeted a specific strategy or whatnot, the happiness is too short-lived, and it's fairly meaningless. I think you should play normally, try out your ideas in these smaller online tournaments, and see if there is a good result, how good of a result it is and if bigger problems may arise if the strategy is targeted against. I think this is better.71: O_O I don't play---That's all guys. Please feel free to correct anything I missed. I'm fluent in both languages but my grammar becomes non-existent when translating. “拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ