HEATHER MAC DONALD: So the idea that there's been some surge in hate, much less white supremacist hate is completely ridiculous.

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I do not understand The Washington Post's methodology because their unknown categories groups, they don't know what the motivation is. So why they get to count those as extremist hate terror incidents, domestic terrorism when they may be your average guy going postal, I don't know. But they certainly, their numbers do not show a surge in white supremacist violence. It's just preposterous.

Again Martha, the mainstream institutions in this country and coming out of the campuses are beating into students heads that it is white people that are evil. The hate is going in one direction. If you want to see a more mainstream demonstration of what hatred looks like in the United States today, let's recall the Covington, Kentucky pile on where you have politicians across the Democratic Party, the media piling onto these kids because they were so desperate to find any representative of their narrative about widespread white based hatred which is a complete falsehood. The vitriol, the vindictiveness that was directed at those kids is a direct import from campus victim ideology.

MARTHA MACCALLUM (HOST): Well I always go back to what Martin Luther King said about wanting to not see white power and black power. He said he wanted to live to see the day it was human power.