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Sterling Heights, MI 1 edit baineschile Premium Member Re: only $10b? We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they think a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?



Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)



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way way out 1 edit 1 recommendation P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by baineschile:



We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?



Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)

We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)



why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?



why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.



oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.



sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.



tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for. 4/1 is more then enough for the 'needed' uses of the internet.why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.



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Mullica Hill, NJ ArrayList Premium Member Re: only $10b? 10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.



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way way out 1 edit P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by ArrayList:



10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.

10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.



what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?



the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fine



TELL

ME WHAT

YOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.



?? again what do you need 3mbps for that is so important that the whole world needs it.what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fineTELLME WHATYOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.??

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way way out P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by patcat88:



Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....

Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....



well thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.



hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!!



EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES NEEDS 1080 STREAMING ABILITY. i really hope you are just pushing my buttonswell thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!!EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES NEEDS 1080 STREAMING ABILITY.



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Mullica Hill, NJ 1 recommendation ArrayList Premium Member Re: only $10b? what do you need internet for at all then? and does it matter?! you don't need a car, or electricity either.

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what do you need internet for at all then? and does it matter?! you don't need a car, or electricity either.

what do you need internet for at all then? and does it matter?! you don't need a car, or electricity either.



the internet as important as electricity and a car.



i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car and electricity but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are. really?the internet as important as electricity and a car.i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car and electricity but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are.

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i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car

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but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are.

i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car.......but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are. yes we are » www.ibrc.fhwa.dot.gov/bu ··· ion4.htm

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Re: only $10b? said by P Ness:



really?



the internet as important as electricity and a car.

really?the internet as important as electricity and a car. i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car and electricity but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are.

and you do pay for the roads that EVERYONE uses. my friend you need to learn what infrastructure is. that is what this article is about. its not about service. its just about putting in the pipes. nothing more. if the customer wants water to run through them that is their decision. god gave you 2 legs. use them. you can start a fire to light your home and cook with, right?and you do pay for the roads that EVERYONE uses. my friend you need to learn what infrastructure is. that is what this article is about. its not about service. its just about putting in the pipes. nothing more. if the customer wants water to run through them that is their decision.



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way way out P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by ArrayList: said by P Ness:



really?



the internet as important as electricity and a car.

really?the internet as important as electricity and a car. i would also like to argue that we are not paying for everyone to have a car and electricity but i guess after the cash for clunkers i guess we are.

and you do pay for the roads that EVERYONE uses. my friend you need to learn what infrastructure is. that is what this article is about. its not about service. its just about putting in the pipes. nothing more. if the customer wants water to run through them that is their decision.

god gave you 2 legs. use them. you can start a fire to light your home and cook with, right?and you do pay for the roads that EVERYONE uses. my friend you need to learn what infrastructure is. that is what this article is about. its not about service. its just about putting in the pipes. nothing more. if the customer wants water to run through them that is their decision. sigh i give up. compairing broadband to electricity and roads.



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Eighty years ago some people thought the same way about electricity. Why should they have lights at night, they are only farmers after all and need to be up at the crack of dawn anyways. Farmers shouldn't be able to have the luxuries that you have, because, well, they are farmers? Piss on the rural people. They will NEVER have services that you enjoy if everyone had your attitude.

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said by P Ness:



said by patcat88:



Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....

Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....



well thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.



hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!!



i really hope you are just pushing my buttonswell thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!! Please more hyperbole. $10 billion divided by 310 million Americans is $32 each. And that's over 10 years so it's $3.20. Small potatoes to insure the US remains relevant.



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way way out P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by 88615298: said by P Ness: said by patcat88:



Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....

Youtube 1080 HD is 5 mbitps.....



well thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.



hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!!



i really hope you are just pushing my buttonswell thats important enough to spend taxpayers money and 50k per house to get these people broadband.hell sign me up for another 10% tax increase and a HSF increase of 50%!!

Please more hyperbole. $10 billion divided by 310 million Americans is $32 each. And that's over 10 years so it's $3.20. Small potatoes to insure the US remains relevant.



hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it. well i have 3 people so my cost is 96 dollars, on top of the 40-50 a month people already pay for internet a month.hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it.

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hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it.

hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it. There is no difference today in the necessity of having landline POTS and having internet. Would you say people don't need landlines? Was the government crazy by forcing the phone companies to run phone lines to every farm decades ago by making city dwellers with POTS pay for it?



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well i have 3 people so my cost is 96 dollars, on top of the 40-50 a month people already pay for internet a month.



hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it.

well i have 3 people so my cost is 96 dollars, on top of the 40-50 a month people already pay for internet a month.hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it. Who paid the taxes for your children's education? or your fire dept, police, etc.



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well i have 3 people so my cost is 96 dollars, on top of the 40-50 a month people already pay for internet a month.



hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it.

well i have 3 people so my cost is 96 dollars, on top of the 40-50 a month people already pay for internet a month.hey keep spending MY money..on things FOR OTHER PEOPLE. i don't mind paying for things that people need to live or protect themselves but paying for other people to have internet is a tad crazy. hell i am even willing to let my HSF funds go to give these people 1.5-3mb internet through the cheapest means....but fiber? 100mb? geeze i can't even get this and now you want me to pay for farmer joe to get it.

Who paid the taxes for your children's education? or your fire dept, police, etc. lol now internet is just as important as education, fire dept and police?



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If you still don't get it, you can watch it. Trust me, you want everyone to be connected; its a good thing.



Fiber for all!



PS. The world is not all about you and only you. Everyone pays into the public good so everyone can get the benefit out of it. Its logical. If YOU only need 3Mbps, great! Congrats! I am truly happy for you. However, I desire 1Gbps and we should strive to get that kind of a capacity to everyone... TV is becoming IPTV anyway, say goodbye to your archaic ways of thinking, the world doesn't work that way anymore.



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Not necessarily. Depending on the video the bit rate can and will shoot up to the 8000-11000kbps range. It's "Variable."

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i kicked my 3/384 to the curb and went 15/2 with WOW. Mine is more of 3 people sharing it and 2 are full time grad students and I work from home. So yah. I need the power. But even if not. I still don't want to wait around for something that I don't have to.



And if the farmer is an ATT customer the most they'd ever see would most likely be 1.5mb x 128 knowing T.



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said by ArrayList:



10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.

10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.



what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?



the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fine



TELL

ME WHAT

YOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.



??

again what do you need 3mbps for that is so important that the whole world needs it.what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fineTELLME WHATYOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.?? Examples like this redneck is why America is falling behind. We used to want to lead, now we have to hope people FOLLOW.



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way way out P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by Metatron2008: said by P Ness: said by ArrayList:



10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.

10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.



what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?



the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fine



TELL

ME WHAT

YOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.



??

again what do you need 3mbps for that is so important that the whole world needs it.what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fineTELLME WHATYOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.??

Examples like this redneck is why America is falling behind. We used to want to lead, now we have to hope people FOLLOW.



falling behind on what? streaming HD movies to your computer? having low pings so you can play world of warcraft?



WHAT exactly are we falling behind on?

is it that bad to fall behind on?



i can see if you would like to make the arguement that these rural people having 100mb interent would create jobs for them, increase their income or somehow help them survive like water, electricity and the automobile.....anymore then 3mb internet would...but instead you just decided to call me a red neck.



hmm red neck. really? never lived outside of a major city but ok i did have a couch out on my front lawn for 3 weeks while i re-did my floors....falling behind on what? streaming HD movies to your computer? having low pings so you can play world of warcraft?WHAT exactly are we falling behind on?is it that bad to fall behind on?i can see if you would like to make the arguement that these rural people having 100mb interent would create jobs for them, increase their income or somehow help them survive like water, electricity and the automobile.....anymore then 3mb internet would...but instead you just decided to call me a red neck.hmm

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So...what internet options are available to you? What tier do you subscribe to?



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way way out P Ness Premium Member Re: only $10b? said by iansltx:



So...what internet options are available to you? What tier do you subscribe to?

So...what internet options are available to you? What tier do you subscribe to?



i work from home whenever i can for a large corporation.



let me add i also used to work at home through Sat internet service too before my town got @home a whole bunch of years ago.



before that my mother worked for the same company and used to dial in on a 33.6k modem with that norton product...damn i forgot the name. i just signed up for the 1.5 att dsl only option.i work from home whenever i can for a large corporation.let me add i also used to work at home through Sat internet service too before my town got @home a whole bunch of years ago.before that my mother worked for the same company and used to dial in on a 33.6k modem with that norton product...damn i forgot the name.

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Austin, TX iansltx Member Re: only $10b? Hunh, so you're in the same boat and yet don't want anyone to get tax-funded upgrades, even though you'd just be repurposing the USF that you're paying now...



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red neck. really? never lived outside of a major city but ok i did have a couch out on my front lawn for 3 weeks while i re-did my floors.... red neck. really? never lived outside of a major city but ok i did have a couch out on my front lawn for 3 weeks while i re-did my floors.... Another ad hominem attack expressly reserved for those with the temerity to disagree with the official company line . . .

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Not trying to push your buttons . . .



In the very near future, i CAN see home security, home automation, and service providers (power, water, etc) utilizing this line. these services might consume - what - 1Mbps (burst) or less. This reduction in service might be enough to upset some people, so there is some justification for a bigger pipe.



I think you might be upset about the price hike. I would be too. But, think about what would happen if we stopped expanding the roads (from 1 to 2 lanes, or to 18 lanes). the traffic is still there - but now it takes forever to get there.



And, just because you and I don't know of any huge mega ultra utilitarian uses for the bandwidth, that doesn't mean that they aren't being developed.



However, here are 3:

1) Google OS. cloud based operating system, immune from local viruses. doesn't appeal to me, but i know that it does to some.



2) cloud-based backups. keep your financials off-site, and keep them backed up automatically and immediately. think DropBox.



3) eCommerce. yes, you can go to Amazon, and the pages are fast. but, what if you want to buy software for your computer. it is ecologically better to just download it than print it on a DVD.



In case you didn't like those 3, here are some you can swap out for some that you like

4) software updates. Windows gets updated monthly. some homes have a couple of computers. some of the patches are large. And not everyone knows to setup a central home server to distribute the patches. The people who do understand how to distribute software are probably using P2P (since they understand the benefit of "sharing" a file rather than "downloading"), which is becoming a banned technology.



5) VOIP/Skype/Progress in this area. yes, VOIP takes a little bandwidth, but if you cut down to just 3Mbps, and using VOIP, the QOS will affect the downloading of patches. And, this argument falls outside of your HULU/youtube concerns



6) the new cars with onboard GPS/sync functionality need to sync back to the mothership. that will take some bandwidth, and here are more updates.



Again, in case you didn't like those 3, here are some you can swap out for some that you like. if you can't find anything responsible in this list, then you are just complaining.

7) online medical records. Look at Google Health and Microsoft HealthVault. those might be considered as a simple webpage for browsing, but what about the equipment that uploads your current real-time vitals. not to mention the images and animations that go with health studies



8) reviewing legislative changes. those documents end up being 1+ MB. and these are the changes that are spending your tax dollars.



9) porn.



oops- forgot rich advertising.



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said by P Ness: said by ArrayList:



10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.

10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.



what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?



the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fine



TELL

ME WHAT

YOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.



??

again what do you need 3mbps for that is so important that the whole world needs it.what does a farmer need 100mbps for now or in the future besides things like video streaming. what does anyone need 100mbps for that is a necessity on the internet?the same 3mb pipe i got from @home 10 years ago is more then enough power even today to do anything i really NEED on the interent. i actually downgraded to 1.5mb and i am still fineTELLME WHATYOU NEED 3Mbps FOR.??



You build the road first, not wait for the traffic jam. I blow through 3 Mbps easily, and I can barely stand 6. What do you need electricity for? You can always light a candle or something to brighten your house. What do you need phone lines for? You can just yell across the street to your neighbor or send some smoke signals in your backyard.You build the road first, not wait for the traffic jam. I blow through 3 Mbps easily, and I can barely stand 6.



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said by ArrayList:



10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.



who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing.

10 years ago 3mbps was unheardof today you can easily use that.who knows what is in store 10 years down the road. there is no reason to artificially stop growing. Wrong! 10 years ago, my true cable ISP (@Home) speed was at least that. Usually it was 4mbps. At that time, DSL speed was only 768kbps though.

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way to derail the thread with a useless question.



There are TONS of uses that need more than 3mbs for, you trollop.



where shall I begin?



remote desktop.

emailing photos at anything faster than pigeon speed.

telecommuting (see remote desktop)

file transferring from pc to pc

hosting a blog/service of any kind

watching youtube videos while having an instant messenger running (good luck with that on 3mb/s). you do realize 3mb/s = 375KB/s download maximum, approximately? Even checking email while watching youtube will be too much for your bandwidth like that.

browsing the web - yes, that should be done at higher speeds.



Hell, smartphones can handle 4mb downstream nowadays (almost).



So let's ask the reverse. Why do you need to make asinine comments about things in a fashion that's essentially a sh**post?

iansltx

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HD video streaming.



Also, taking less than a few hours to download stuff like Need for Speed World (~800 MB).



Also, OnLive.



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said by P Ness:



said by baineschile:



We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?



Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)

We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)



why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?



why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.



oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.



sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.



tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.

4/1 is more then enough for the 'needed' uses of the internet.why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.

Our cars should also be the most basic models with no extras. We really don't need a paint job since what color we like is completely irrelevant when buying a reliable car. When we make dinner, we should only eat whats good for us (and ignore taste completely) and only eat just enough to live off of. We should only use the amount of electricity we need to live. We should only use basic OTA TV and only watch the news and weather. We should also only use the amount of water we need for cooking and drinking. We really don't need to bathe every day so we can save big on water with that. We really don't even need broadband when you really think about it. If they built everything close together, I'm confident we could walk every place we needed to go.



It's fun to pick and chose what luxuries are relevant and which ones are unnecessary.



In 10 years, 4/1 internet will be like trying to surf today's internet on a 33.6 modem, if not worse. Our cars should also be the most basic models with no extras. We really don't need a paint job since what color we like is completely irrelevant when buying a reliable car. When we make dinner, we should only eat whats good for us (and ignore taste completely) and only eat just enough to live off of. We should only use the amount of electricity we need to live. We should only use basic OTA TV and only watch the news and weather. We should also only use the amount of water we need for cooking and drinking. We really don't need to bathe every day so we can save big on water with that. We really don't even need broadband when you really think about it. If they built everything close together, I'm confident we could walk every place we needed to go.It's fun to pick and chose what luxuries are relevant and which ones are unnecessary.In 10 years, 4/1 internet will be like trying to surf today's internet on a 33.6 modem, if not worse.



aaronwt

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said by baineschile:



We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?



Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)

We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)



why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?



why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.



oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.



sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.



tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.

4/1 is more then enough for the 'needed' uses of the internet.why on earth do people need 100mb connections even in 10 years?why do taxes and fees on current paying customers have to pay for everyone else to have 100mb connections when anything about 1.5m is gravy.oh wait thats right we want everyone in the country to be able to stream 1080 hulu/netflix anywhere in the country...paid for by taxpayers.sigh, if they want movies tell them to freaking get cable or sat TV.tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.



I know several families with multiple people online concurently. if they had a 4/1 connection it would be unusable. You need enough speed for multiple people to do multiple thing sconcurrently. twelve years ago I had a 5mbs/1mbs connection. I certainly would not want those speeds now. And in ten years I'm sure I would not want my current 35/35 connection.I know several families with multiple people online concurently. if they had a 4/1 connection it would be unusable. You need enough speed for multiple people to do multiple thing sconcurrently.



batterup

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tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for.

tell me 3 things you NEED more then 3mb bandwith for. 3 flavors of Linux distros.

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We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?



Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns)

We are constantly discussing 100mb connections TODAY, and they thing a 4/1 connection in 10 years will be viable?Any stats on what percentage of the US has cable/dsl available (assuming the fiber overlays in most of those towns) Considering I have friends whose only option is dial-up they would take 4 Mbps in a heartbeat.



FFH5

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Tavistock NJ 1 edit FFH5 Premium Member $10 billion vs $32 billion One thing I think his plan highlighted is that to reach the last 250,000 homes the cost jumped from $10 billion to $32.4 billion. He suggests those extreme rural homes get coverage thru satellite instead.



$32.4B - $10B - $8.9B revenue recovered = $13.5 billion to cover those 250,000 homes. That is $54,000 per home.

Mr Matt

join:2008-01-29

Eustis, FL Mr Matt Member Simple comparison! How many miles of fiber can be installed for the price of one mile of interstate highway or one F-117 Fighter? Just pull out the Rural Electrification Association maps. I do not see the problem with installing fiber anywhere a power line is located. I guess only the incumbent ISP's and lawmaking douche bags that support them continue to parrot the constant concern that it costs to much, "babble", to wire America! Just check the earmarks that our lawmakers use to funnel Trillions of Dollars of our tax money to useless projects and and other special interests, like the late Senator Stevens did with the bridge to nowhere. How many miles of fiber can be installed for the price of one mile of interstate highway or one F-117 Fighter? Just pull out the Rural Electrification Association maps. I do not see the problem with installing fiber anywhere a power line is located. I guess only the incumbent ISP's and lawmaking douche bags that support them continue to parrot the constant concern that it costs to much, "babble", to wire America! Just check the earmarks that our lawmakers use to funnel Trillions of Dollars of our tax money to useless projects and and other special interests, like the late Senator Stevens did with the bridge to nowhere.



MrStanFan

join:2010-09-19 MrStanFan Member 10 billion just a cheap figure we all know it's going to cost more to wire 97% but you ask for 10 billion start on it and then ask for more saying " we didn't know it was going to cost more " typical scheme



beb

@rr.com beb Anon Give VZ & T More Spectrum Too these guys are killing our country, they also want to give them 500 MHz of more spectrum without once mentioning Femtocells or more backhaul to towers in the bb plan...status quo policy, protect incumbents...America will never be in the top 10 in BB ever again!

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

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1 edit chgo_man99 Member Doesn't russian Yota pumps money into wimax rollout in rural areas in Russia, Eastern Europe and Latin America?



They are known as the largest Wimax provider in the world.



Get a fixed antenna and modem with line of sight and its possible to achieve high speed and little lower ping times.



But capacity and cost is another issue, I don't know how they would play.



UPDATE: Correction. I see they only serve big cities. They also probably censor internet as well since well you know *caugh* caugh* red army



runzero

join:2005-09-16

DC 2 edits runzero Member Re: Doesn't russian Yota said by chgo_man99:



They also probably censor internet as well since well you know *caugh* caugh* red army

They also probably censor internet as well since well you know *caugh* caugh* red army Last I checked, the Soviet Union collapsed almost 20 years ago. The Russian Federation is a representative democracy just like any other Western country. Just a little heads-up

chgo_man99

join:2010-01-01

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1 edit chgo_man99 Member Re: Doesn't russian Yota Theoretically yes, but in practice not very. Their Putin represents them like a czar.



And according to Wikipedia, they were blocking access to some chechnyan news website probably due to the government intervention.



Also during Bush administration, when the U.S and Poland wanted to install missile defense system in Central Europe, Russia barked accusing us of provocation.



bandit8623

join:2004-09-08

Minneapolis, MN Motorola MB8600

Asus RT-AC68

bandit8623 Member people choose to be fair i grew up in the country. and we had dial up. i now live in the city, and have 20 meg internet.



i still dont think anyone else should pay for someone elses speed increase.



also someone made the point earlier that its not payign for there internet and just paying for the pipe. well that is true, but that doesnt mean when that person has the availability to get the internet, they will buy it. so in that case whoever is buying the internet in the end will pay more or in thsi case taxes go up.



people choose where they live most of the time, and this means if internet is important in your life move to be able to use it.



trainwreck6

join:2010-09-21

off track trainwreck6 Member What the... Why have the USF, if it cannot be used to redistribute the wealth from the rich carriers to the common people?