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Last edit: May 19, 2016, 12:40:27 AM by Carlton Banks #1841 Quote from: Franky1

Replying to irrelevant people on an irrelevant forum again Franky? Can you explain why talking to people you consider unimportant is so important to you? Replying to irrelevant people on an irrelevant forum again Franky?Can you explain why talking to people you consider unimportant is so important to you? Vires in numeris

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LegendaryActivity: 2380Merit: 3253How much alt coin diversification is needed? 0%? Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 18, 2016, 11:17:18 PM #1842 Quote from: franky1 on May 18, 2016, 10:55:00 PM Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 18, 2016, 10:17:22 PM Quote from: franky1 on May 18, 2016, 09:03:00 PM Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 18, 2016, 05:15:05 PM

Who said anything in this thread about Blockstream, you ninkumpoop? The concept of the thread regarding Classic getting #r3kt has more to do with its own failures to persuade the bitcoin community concerning any kind of necessity for such changes that it was proposing, rather than your proposal that seems to get mixed up about whatever the fuck Blocksteam is going to attempt to incorporate into bitcoin or on top of bitcoin, which appears to be a somewhat separate issue.







its the same issue.. ever heard the term bait and switch.



scare people with one cult just to shelter them in another cult, who have the same financial backers as the first cult in the background

its the same issue.. ever heard the term bait and switch.scare people with one cult just to shelter them in another cult, who have the same financial backers as the first cult in the background

Yeah right. You are engaged in an attempt to convolute and make-up issues where there are none.



Sure, nothing wrong with a bit of speculation, yet your connections are truly fantastical in their level of assumptions.

Yeah right. You are engaged in an attempt to convolute and make-up issues where there are none.Sure, nothing wrong with a bit of speculation, yet your connections are truly fantastical in their level of assumptions.

look into price-waterhouse-cooper... oh wait you wont because you will blindly follow blockstream..



goodluck with that.



and if you think that the $55million that PwC gave to blockstream was not from banks.. and the intention for the funds will have nothing to do with bitcoin developers. or if you think that only adam back gets to use the funds all to himself completely separate from bitcoin... then you really have been drinking the blockstream coolaid.



goodluck trying to meander your faith around PwC.. trying to pretend they are a meaningless shadow..

look into price-waterhouse-cooper... oh wait you wont because you will blindly follow blockstream..goodluck with that.and if you think that the $55million that PwC gave to blockstream was not from banks.. and the intention for the funds will have nothing to do with bitcoin developers. or if you think that only adam back gets to use the funds all to himself completely separate from bitcoin... then you really have been drinking the blockstream coolaid.goodluck trying to meander your faith around PwC.. trying to pretend they are a meaningless shadow..



Yes... I agree about one thing, and that is that you are quite the FUCD spreader.





I am not taking any kind of blind faith about anything, and I don't claim to be any kind of know it all about these matters.



Nonetheless, it seems that in your attempts to have fun with your fantastical lillie conspiracy framework, there are at least a few facts of the matter that you seem to be either discounting or assuming away in your convolution of issues.



1) Anyone or group is free to develop or to invest however they like on systems that they believe are going to work with bitcoin in the future (and they take risks that they may not be correct in their predictions or their abilities to influence changes in their favor or that the system may change), whether that is Blockstream or anyone else.. .or any bank affiliation etc.;



2) anyone who is wanting to change the status quo of bitcoin has the burden of persuasion and the burden of production to convince that such change should be adopted, and neither XT nor classic were able to obtain various changes in the bitcoin protocol (at least not in a direct and immediate way) that were within their BIPs because there was not adequate support for whatever they were proposing; and



3) bitcoin remains a good investment for the moment. If it converts into something other than what i expected or something other than what others expected, then each person is free to change investments... so if it begins to appear that something is awry, then I have no problem migrating my investment somewhere else, and at this time, your apparent fantastical observations are considerably insufficient to influence me, and probably should be insufficient to influence anyone who is somewhat knowledgeable about disinformation fearmongering speculation campaigns such as yours.













Yes... I agree about one thing, and that is that you are quite the FUCD spreader.I am not taking any kind of blind faith about anything, and I don't claim to be any kind of know it all about these matters.Nonetheless, it seems that in your attempts to have fun with your fantastical lillie conspiracy framework, there are at least a few facts of the matter that you seem to be either discounting or assuming away in your convolution of issues.1) Anyone or group is free to develop or to invest however they like on systems that they believe are going to work with bitcoin in the future (and they take risks that they may not be correct in their predictions or their abilities to influence changes in their favor or that the system may change), whether that is Blockstream or anyone else.. .or any bank affiliation etc.;2) anyone who is wanting to change the status quo of bitcoin has the burden of persuasion and the burden of production to convince that such change should be adopted, and neither XT nor classic were able to obtain various changes in the bitcoin protocol (at least not in a direct and immediate way) that were within their BIPs because there was not adequate support for whatever they were proposing; and3) bitcoin remains a good investment for the moment. If it converts into something other than what i expected or something other than what others expected, then each person is free to change investments... so if it begins to appear that something is awry, then I have no problem migrating my investment somewhere else, and at this time, your apparent fantastical observations are considerably insufficient to influence me, and probably should be insufficient to influence anyone who is somewhat knowledgeable about disinformation fearmongering speculation campaigns such as yours. Put BTC here: 35EVP8EePt8dyvKHaB7bXaRmKLm22YgRCA



How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?

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StaffLegendaryActivity: 3178Merit: 4299 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM #1843 PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.

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Full MemberActivity: 181Merit: 100 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 04:05:29 AM #1844



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Sr. MemberActivity: 471Merit: 250BTC trader Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 08:36:36 AM #1845 Quote The fastest and cheapest transaction fee is currently 60 satoshis/byte, shown in green at the top.

For the median transaction size of 255 bytes, this results in a fee of 15,300 satoshis (0.06$).

https://bitcoinfees.21.co

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Hero MemberActivity: 686Merit: 503 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 09:26:29 AM #1847 Quote from: hdbuck on May 18, 2016, 08:25:44 AM Meh so Classic got #R3kt - as expected and because the reality is that nobody besides the social media derps wants to commit fork - and so now core should take over and implement their beloved 2MB fork? lol



Hardfork will not happen. Give it a 10 years grace period or even a 51% threshold. Forkers will get #R3kt anyway.



But I kinda regret we did not took the classic opportunity to get rid of goldman-coinbase-sachs and other delusional corporations with their reddit minions. If only they'd have forked their way out of the legacy network.



Something tells me that BTC2/USD and R3CT/USD would've always tracked BTC/USD by a huge margin, with envy... Something tells me that BTC2/USD and R3CT/USD would've always tracked BTC/USD by a huge margin, with envy...

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Last edit: May 19, 2016, 12:06:06 PM by hdbuck #1848 Quote from: gmaxwell on May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.



There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.



Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.



So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.



Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.



But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics. There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

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Hero MemberActivity: 1680Merit: 607Clean Code and Scale Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 12:02:09 PM #1849 Quote from: hdbuck on May 19, 2016, 11:38:06 AM Quote from: gmaxwell on May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.



There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.



Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.



So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.



Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.



But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

Never say never.



And if there is a way to earn (or safe) money, they will (maybe when it's the last or only one left). Never say never.And if there is a way to earn (or safe) money, they will (maybe when it's the last or only one left).

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LegendaryActivity: 1274Merit: 1002 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 12:07:37 PM #1850 Quote from: hv_ on May 19, 2016, 12:02:09 PM Quote from: hdbuck on May 19, 2016, 11:38:06 AM Quote from: gmaxwell on May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.



There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.



Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.



So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.



Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.



But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

Never say never.



And if there is a way to earn (or safe) money, they will (maybe when it's the last or only one left).

Never say never.And if there is a way to earn (or safe) money, they will (maybe when it's the last or only one left).

They dont need to earn/save money, They fucking print it all day long. They dont need to earn/save money, They fucking print it all day long.

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LegendaryActivity: 1610Merit: 1176 Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 12:48:24 PM #1853 Quote from: hdbuck on May 19, 2016, 11:38:06 AM Quote from: gmaxwell on May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.



There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.



Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.



So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.



Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.



But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

I think there is a place for "Bitcoin banks" to exist.

Most people will not like the idea of being responsible of their own money... like the idea of having all of your networth at home in some cold storage, might seem to scary for them, and they couldn't take it if they did a mistake and lost it all. So I for those that are scared of that, and would rather trust a bank carrying their private keys, im sure there will be services like that. Personally I think it kills the point of Bitcoin, but who cares, as long as we have the option to manage our own money. I think there is a place for "Bitcoin banks" to exist.Most people will not like the idea of being responsible of their own money... like the idea of having all of your networth at home in some cold storage, might seem to scary for them, and they couldn't take it if they did a mistake and lost it all. So I for those that are scared of that, and would rather trust a bank carrying their private keys, im sure there will be services like that. Personally I think it kills the point of Bitcoin, but who cares, as long as we have the option to manage our own money.

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Hero MemberActivity: 1680Merit: 607Clean Code and Scale Re: ToominCoin aka "Bitcoin_Classic" #R3KT May 19, 2016, 01:18:09 PM #1855 Quote from: pereira4 on May 19, 2016, 12:48:24 PM Quote from: hdbuck on May 19, 2016, 11:38:06 AM Quote from: gmaxwell on May 19, 2016, 12:32:53 AM PWC has no investment in Blockstream or anything to do with investment in Blockstream. (Not that it would matter if they did), AFAIK no bank has any investment in Blockstream-- though they might be wise to, to the extent that the technology we work on might displace some of their businesses they'd be wise to want to figure out how to adapt to it.



But really, most groups that might be displaced by Bitcoin simply can't see it coming-- if they weren't blind to the reasons it would displace them they wouldn't likely be displaced. There is no reason that any ordinary bank today couldn't quite profitably adapt to an all Bitcoin world.



There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.



Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.



So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.



Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.



But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

There is all the reasons In the world Banks WILL NEVER adapt to bitcoin as it is meant to freaking by-pass them and their sham of a financial system.Them banksters rely on debt money. Not sound money.So they will fight it, infiltrate it, try at corrupt it, etc.Pretty much what we have witnessed so far with stupid "Blockchain tech" hype, social ingeneering bullshitery, kyc/aml regulation sheningans, governance schemes and other fork attacks.But may they try harder. Make bitcoin even more resilient to their obsolete tactics.

I think there is a place for "Bitcoin banks" to exist.

Most people will not like the idea of being responsible of their own money... like the idea of having all of your networth at home in some cold storage, might seem to scary for them, and they couldn't take it if they did a mistake and lost it all. So I for those that are scared of that, and would rather trust a bank carrying their private keys, im sure there will be services like that. Personally I think it kills the point of Bitcoin, but who cares, as long as we have the option to manage our own money.

I think there is a place for "Bitcoin banks" to exist.Most people will not like the idea of being responsible of their own money... like the idea of having all of your networth at home in some cold storage, might seem to scary for them, and they couldn't take it if they did a mistake and lost it all. So I for those that are scared of that, and would rather trust a bank carrying their private keys, im sure there will be services like that. Personally I think it kills the point of Bitcoin, but who cares, as long as we have the option to manage our own money.

I'd even say more stronger: Banks have strongest security & firewalls -> Clients will pay fees for this service,



and banks NEED (!!) to run miners as well, so they still can print money (thanks to hdbuck ) , but MORE they will help to ensure / win back the decentralization !! (bye bye China) and might ensure having strong code dev. I'd even say more stronger: Banks have strongest security & firewalls -> Clients will pay fees for this service,and banks NEED (!!) to run miners as well, so they still can print money (thanks to hdbuck) , but MORE they will help to ensure / win back the decentralization !! (bye bye China) and might ensure having strong code dev.

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