It’s the perfect bit for these times: Burger King introduces a Whopper with a black bun and “Weekend Update” anchor Colin Jost argues that if a Whopper can wear blackface, why can’t he? Co-host Michael Che rolls his eyes: “I begged you not to do that.” By (sometimes) playing the character of everything that’s wrong with America, Jost is the unexpected foil to Che’s skeptical charm. Because, really, could there be a more appropriate fake news team for Trump’s America than a clueless white dude and an over-it black guy? We sat down with Jost and Che at 30 Rock on a rainy-ass Thursday in April.

GQ: When did you two first meet?

Michael Che: I don’t remember [exactly], but we knew each other from stand-up comedy. Like the circuit, in clubs...

Colin Jost: It must have been in New York.

Michael: In comedy you work with people so often that they just become familiar faces—it’s like a fraternity.

Are you guys actually real friends outside of work and comedy?

Colin: Definitely.

Michael: We were friends before I worked at SNL. In fact, Colin was the one that was like, “You should come in and guest-write on the show.”

In your duo, who’s Jay Z and who’s Kanye?

Colin: Whichever one I declare, they’ll be mad about.

Michael: I would say he’s Kanye because he takes like the creative risk a lot of times, whereas I’m like, “Uh, I don’t know...”

Colin: He’s got a laid-back cool that is like Jay Z.

It’s kind of ironic that the clean-cut white guy has a bigger chance of ruffling feathers with a joke.

Michael: That’s honest. There’s certain times where I’ll say...

Colin: “I don’t know, man.”

Michael: “I don’t know if you should say that. Maybe I’ll say it.”

Colin: And there’s also times where people will be pitching you to do a take on something, and you’re like, “Well, that’s too obvious...”

Right. It’s funnier and more unexpected coming from you instead of Che.

Michael: It’s weird doing a show on a Saturday, because we get the news after everybody had their way with it. We still have to find a way to get something fresh out of the story, but also keep the integrity of it. A lot of times the obvious take is so obvious it’s already been on Twitter, so we gotta find a new thing.

What’s been the biggest blowback you guys have had to deal with after a joke on “Weekend Update”?

Michael: There’s tons of stuff where you’re like, “God, I wish I could take that back.” The one that sticks out the most to me is the initial Cosby run—I wish it was a little bit more of a comedy take than a serious take. But when it first happened, nobody knew how to make a joke. It was a sad thing, and the audience was quiet and didn’t want to hear anything about it. And then after, like, 30 [accusers came forward], then it became comic. It was like watching a clown car, where you’re like, “Holy…this is still going?” In hindsight, I wish we were earlier to the funny part of it.

Colin: But it’s hard to say to people, “Come on, laugh! You’re ready to laugh!”

Do you think that people are too sensitive in 2017?

Michael: I don’t think that they’re too sensitive, but I think that people are too aware that their voice can make a change. They know “If I put my opinion out there and I get a hundred people to agree with me, we can maybe hit the lotto and get this motherfucker fired.”