Great article Dale, I really enjoyed it. As someone who has been an avid 4 chan user around 2007–09 I found this to be a great history and overview of the issues. Overall I couldn’t agree more with the outline you painted. My only one problem with it is that it seems to ignore that the central issue of the Anon mindset, “Forever alone” could be a real issue that was never talked about before: A large group of frustrated sexless men that are wasted by society.

I mean, try organizing a group of males that are not getting sex. Just try it, who would ever show up to that group? They would be way too scared of being outed. What this could be, is yes an immature and misguided childlike reaction to the issues, but I think there is a profoundly problematic way we approach dating as a culture. And it is possible that these men have been around for ages, battling their own demons alone. Yet every time this is brought up it, is attacked very hard from the left — because it lashes out as pain, frustration and violence. Look at the “In-Cel” movement as a comparison.

I am saying this as a feminist, that feminism has a real problem. Women. Especially pointed out After Trumps election and 53% of white women voted for Trump. Now you would think, “Okay what are the types of guys these conservative women go after?” The traditional Alpha Males.

This is where your 4-chan cucks get so mad at women for: the feminist women are also attracted to and dating / sleeping with those traditional alpha males. The Feminists guys often get overlooked, and then treated badly for not wanting to be your friend. Adding in the confusing double speak of women who want one thing in theory but don’t actualize that desire.

If the left has been wrong about one thing. It is that men and women are not different. We must come to understand that it is okay, that we can celebrate differences.

The one thing that the alt-right has going for it is it’s stance on Masculinity, as being fundamentally different then being femininity.

The main difference in my opinion is that Men tend to love physically and show their emotions, not through words, contracts, or commitments, but through the physical act. When you remove the physical act from men, they forget how to appropriately express love, and become loveless jealous and insecure boys.

But I think part of the issue, something that cannot be overlooked is women’s role in society.

In the past, in most societies, women were valued for who they are. Men were valued for what they could do.

Now this is not a hard and fast rule, but those are the tendencies. Since the rise of women in the workplace and eschewing those out dated ideas. Women have also gained the position in society to be valued for what they can do. This creates an imbalance in our society because women are valued for two things and men for one. So a very attractive and equally smart young lady seems to have an advantage over her equally intelligent yet less attractive female counter part, and her equally intelligent yet less attractive male counter parts.

From the perspective of a women who is beautiful she has an abundance of suitors. She doesn’t have to compete for attention she acquiesces one of her many suitors, whatever she wants. Now that means in order to even get on her radar, to be some one she decides to favor or not you must compete.

From the perspective of the Beautiful girl who is not successful they are annoyed at the fact that men only want them because of their beauty and not for what they can also do.

From the perspective of the unattractive women who is very able she is frustrated that her ability is wasted because she is not good looking enough.

From the unattractive male perspective he must rely on his ability, to prove himself.

If she is not very intelligent and has low ability but is good looking she can be a slacker unlike any man. She can literally get an arrangement where you are paid by the week (I have known them personally) — It’s not a great choice but still a choice. A very damning and uncomfortable one to talk about in words. Yet this is what betrays feminism in reality is that there are many people who take the deal.

What taking the deal means to 4-chan users, “is that it doesn’t matter who you are if you don’t got the money. Girls don’t like you because of the things that you like. They don’t like you because of the video games you play and because you don’t want to change into their image — and compete for them.”

I think that is the essence of the Migtow movement. In order to get the girl you want you have to change, you have to be a meat head, and not an intellectual. You have to “grab em by the pussy”, so don’t change and leave.

Neither strategies work Migtow or the Alt-right / 4 chan method. We need a real discussion as to what is happening around dating culture because it doesn’t seem to be setting up positive experiences for either gender. It seems to set up a system where there are real winners and there are real losers, and sincerity and love are laughed and considered weak. It seems to be finding our basest desires and missing out on our highest ideals.

I am saying all this as a feminist “cuck,” literally in an art warehouse in downtown Los Angeles. I know a few of these playboy types. None of them are feminists. I know a lot of feminist guys that complain about dating.

The weird solution to all of this is “sexy boys”, I think it would be incredibly empowering to men to become sexy, just like it has been empowering to women to become “strong.” I remember when I was eighteen years old and saw Donatello’s David and thought: “that is so gay.” Maybe it was, maybe it was just appreciation of male form and I mistook that in my culture as the default of “Gay”. There are not many outlets for male physical beauty, we tend to look at the male body for what it can do, not what it is. Hence the way men and women use clothing.

If we really want to see societal change, in the strangest way, it relies on women to lead by sexually objectifying pretty/beautiful/cute/weak men and to actually be attracted to them. Men don’t seem to mind that role reversal. If we are truly equal women shouldn’t either.

Anyway, I just wanted to give a counter argument, that while they (4-chaners) are wrong in their expressions and dissents. Their issues may actually be real.