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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on OVERVIEW - I had another thread on this topic, trying to figure out what system to use to put up the massive numbers some of these clans are getting. In that thread, we discussed ideas, systems, methods, etc...Now it's time to put it to rest. .....I figured it out.









.....LET'S GET STARTED.





THE RECAP - Before I start on what i found, let me again explain what we were looking for. How the hell the top clans are putting up what seem to be impossible numbers on a consistent, weekly basis in the Elite Clan Ops. For example, a recent TDM Elite Clan contest last week. The winning clan got around 7,200 kills over three hours, by their top six people. I'll do the math for you.....that's around 1,200 kills per teammate. If you play around 25 games over those three hours....that's around 48 kills PER GAME....every game...every time...without fail....over all 28 games. That's nuts.



To give even more illustration of how ridiculously high that is, let me use our clan as an example. Our top contest scorers in TDM (some really good players), are only getting around 550 to 600 kills over three hours (over 24 games, around 23 kills per game) We have some VERY very good players in our clan....I'm talking very good. There is no way anyone in the world is that much better, by a two to one margin, than us. Unless....







THE COD CLAN SYSTEM - Before I explain how it's done. Let me explain what's going on in these Elite contests. There are 86,000 clans in Elite.. For the past nine months, all but a small group of the above clans have been simply playing these contests the traditional way. Go out, get kills by yourself, or group up with your friends and get kills. Add 'em up, that's your score. Everyone plays and is happy.



Take our Clan. We have hit the top-20 a bunch of times now, top 20 out of 35,000 plus clans competing each week...., but we can't seem to budge past that. Whose above us? Are there really twenty clans better than us? Well, to start, Elite hides the overall top finishers. It takes a lot of digging. One of them is easy to find though. They stand out like a neon sign. Lethal-Energy is a clan who has won over 40% of the 60 contests to date. But they aren't just 'one' clan, they are actually a GROUP. Lethal-Energy has their main clan, plus what looks like another 7 to 8 sub-clans. Many of these fill out and populate the top 20. Basically, one big 'mega-clan'



Why is the above relevant? You need to understand the above inner-workings of clans , to next understand 'HOW' Lethal-Energy and one or two other mega-clans are running (and controlling) these contests.





THE PROCESS - Once you understand that a clan like Lethal -Energy is really a group of clans, with a maze of recruiting sub-clans....you can understand how they run these contests to get their top six scorers averaging 50+ kills a game over three hours.



It's basically multi-level marketing at it's finest. LE runs recruiting clans, getting starry-eyed squeakboxes and other people who will do anything to be in their clan. Fame builds recruitment. Why do they do that? They need meatshields. Sacrificial lambs. LE runs the following system for each contest. Let's take TDM. LE gets one heavy-hitter in their clan, to group up with what is basically the above five recruited patsies/stooges from their recruitment subgroups. From there, ...the group of six enters a core-TDM game. What happens next? The five stooges basically do nothing. They flock to various corners and act as bait....while the heavy-hitter runs around and literally, gets all the kills (or as many as he can, if his squad loses it will be less than 75)) Of course, everyone runs without their clan names, to avoid any unnecessary attention.



Below is a screen cap from a actual Elite Clan contest from a few weeks ago. An example of their system working to perfection. 'SHIASAT37' is the Lethal Energy designated 'heavy hitter'. He ends up with a whopping 73 of the 75 kills. The other five guys? A total of 2 kills. Amazing how bad those others are.....unless one knows what i am telling you here, .....how their system runs. It's gamed. Rigged to game the total score. Now SHIASAT37 got a bit lucky in that game, and he (and his lackies) ran into a weak lobby. But remember, he doesn't have to get 75, 73 or even 60 kills a game...all he needs is around an average of 50....and that gives him (and LE) the ludicrous totals needed to get to 7,200 overall kills. Again...the screenshot below.









The above system can be used for most other formats. Kill confirmed, Hard-core TDM, etc...What system it doesn't work real well on, is Domination. And it's no coincidence, that in the last five Dom contests, Lethal Energy has not been the winner. Take note...in June, Lethal X Gaming merged with E=MC2, forming one huge mega-group now. Anywhere from 8 to 10 clans in all, including feeder clans.







CONCLUSION - I'm not calling these guys cheaters. Don't misread. I won't go that route. How they figured out to do this turned out to be quite ingenious on their part. People never cease to amaze me. And with that, it's also clever and and pretty simple. I'm surprised it stumped me as long as it did. That all said, ......they have lost a lot of respect from me. When digging around, i watched a few of their videos, listened to one of their clan leaders rail on in a video bragging away how great they are. Some douche-bag Brit named 'Emc2worldwide' who sounded like he has a pole stuck up his arce. Sorry bro, your group isn't that 'skilled'. You are just 'GAMING' the contest to win it. Gaming it quite well, i will add.



As far as I can tell, the above 'system' has somehow remained pretty hidden to date. I am kind of amazed that more clans haven't figured it out. Like I said earlier, our clan is routinely 20th to 25th or so in the KC contests.......and when you take into consideration 3/4 of the top 20 is mostly three or four mega-clans.......there aren't many clans above us. Almost every one of the 85,000 clans is in the dark about the above process. As I said, we are getting to around 20th consistently in KC, ....and that's WITHOUT doing the above tactics.



Can other clans do the above? Why not? Fair is fair. The answer is probably 'NO' though. You need A LOT of players to willingly spend three hours every contest, going 'oh for 25' every game, over three straight hours. Almost all the clans are NOT going to be able to find enough people willing to do that. It takes high level of multilevel marketing, to find enough squeakboxes who are just DYING to be part of a group, to willingly not get a single kill over three hours. Very few, if any clans will have that. And even if they did....speaking for myself, ...., I wouldn't ask anyone in our clan to do that. Doesn't seem right, with how the 'spirit' of the game, and the clan contest, is supposed to be. The Elite contests weren't meant that for that. It's taking things a bit to far, pushing the boundaries.





Peace.

I had another thread on this topic, trying to figure out what system to use to put up the massive numbers some of these clans are getting. In that thread, we discussed ideas, systems, methods, etc...Now it's time to put it to rest. .....I figured it out......LET'S GET STARTED.Before I start on what i found, let me again explain what we were looking for. How the hell the top clans are putting up what seem to be impossible numbers on a consistent, weekly basis in the Elite Clan Ops. For example, a recent TDM Elite Clan contest last week. The winning clan got around 7,200 kills over three hours, by their top six people. I'll do the math for you.....that's around. If you play around 25 games over those three hours....that's around 48 kills PER GAME....every game...every time...without fail....over all 28 games. That's nuts.To give even more illustration of how ridiculously high that is, let me use our clan as an example. Our top contest scorers in TDM (some really good players), are only getting around 550 to 600 kills over three hours () We have some VERY very good players in our clan....I'm talking very good. There is no way anyone in the world is that much better, by a two to one margin, than us. Unless....Before I explain how it's done. Let me explain what's going on in these Elite contests. There are 86,000 clans in Elite.. For the past nine months, all but a small group of the above clans have been simply playing these contests the traditional way. Go out, get kills by yourself, or group up with your friends and get kills. Add 'em up, that's your score. Everyone plays and is happy.Take our Clan. We have hit the top-20 a bunch of times now, top 20 out of 35,000 plus clans competing each week...., but we can't seem to budge past that. Whose above us? Are there really twenty clans better than us? Well, to start, Elite hides the overall top finishers. It takes a lot of digging. One of them is easy to find though. They stand out like a neon sign. Lethal-Energy is a clan who has won over 40% of the 60 contests to date. But they aren't just 'one' clan, they are actually a GROUP. Lethal-Energy has their main clan, plus what looks like another 7 to 8 sub-clans. Many of these fill out and populate the top 20. Basically, one big 'mega-clan'Why is the above relevant? You need to understand the above inner-workings of clans , to next understand 'HOW' Lethal-Energy and one or two other mega-clans are running (and controlling) these contests.Once you understand that a clan like Lethal -Energy is really a group of clans, with a maze of recruiting sub-clans....you can understand how they run these contests to get their top six scorers averaging 50+ kills a game over three hours.It's basically multi-level marketing at it's finest. LE runs recruiting clans, getting starry-eyed squeakboxes and other people who will do anything to be in their clan. Fame builds recruitment. Why do they do that? They need meatshields. Sacrificial lambs. LE runs the following system for each contest. Let's take TDM. LE gets one heavy-hitter in their clan, to group up with what is basically the above five recruited patsies/stooges from their recruitment subgroups. From there, ...the group of six enters a core-TDM game. What happens next? The five stooges basically do nothing. They flock to various corners and act as bait....while the heavy-hitter runs around and literally, gets all the kills (or as many as he can, if his squad loses it will be less than 75)) Of course, everyone runs without their clan names, to avoid any unnecessary attention.Below is a screen cap from a actual Elite Clan contest from a few weeks ago. An example of their system working to perfection. 'SHIASAT37' is the Lethal Energy designated 'heavy hitter'. He ends up with a whopping 73 of the 75 kills. The other five guys? A total of 2 kills. Amazing how bad those others are.....unless one knows what i am telling you here, .....how their system runs. It's gamed. Rigged to game the total score. Now SHIASAT37 got a bit lucky in that game, and he (and his lackies) ran into a weak lobby. But remember, he doesn't have to get 75, 73 or even 60 kills a game...all he needs is around an average of 50....and that gives him (and LE) the ludicrous totals needed to get to 7,200 overall kills. Again...the screenshot below.The above system can be used for most other formats. Kill confirmed, Hard-core TDM, etc...What system it doesn't work real well on, is Domination. And it's no coincidence, that in the last five Dom contests, Lethal Energy has not been the winner. Take note...in June, Lethal X Gaming merged with E=MC2, forming one huge mega-group now. Anywhere from 8 to 10 clans in all, including feeder clans.I'm not calling these guys cheaters. Don't misread. I won't go that route. How they figured out to do this turned out to be quite ingenious on their part. People never cease to amaze me. And with that, it's also clever and and pretty simple. I'm surprised it stumped me as long as it did. That all said, ......they have lost a lot of respect from me. When digging around, i watched a few of their videos, listened to one of their clan leaders rail on in a video bragging away how great they are. Some douche-bag Brit named 'Emc2worldwide' who sounded like he has a pole stuck up his arce. Sorry bro, your group isn't that 'skilled'. You are just 'GAMING' the contest to win it. Gaming it quite well, i will add.As far as I can tell, the above 'system' has somehow remained pretty hidden to date. I am kind of amazed that more clans haven't figured it out. Like I said earlier, our clan is routinely 20th to 25th or so in the KC contests.......and when you take into consideration 3/4 of the top 20 is mostly three or four mega-clans.......there aren't many clans above us. Almost every one of the 85,000 clans is in the dark about the above process. As I said, we are getting to around 20th consistently in KC, ....and that's WITHOUT doing the above tactics.Can other clans do the above? Why not? Fair is fair. The answer is probably 'NO' though. You need A LOT of players to willingly spend three hours every contest, going 'oh for 25' every game, over three straight hours. Almost all the clans are NOT going to be able to find enough people willing to do that. It takes high level of multilevel marketing, to find enough squeakboxes who are just DYING to be part of a group, to willingly not get a single kill over three hours. Very few, if any clans will have that. And even if they did....speaking for myself, ...., I wouldn't ask anyone in our clan to do that. Doesn't seem right, with how the 'spirit' of the game, and the clan contest, is supposed to be. The Elite contests weren't meant that for that. It's taking things a bit to far, pushing the boundaries.Peace.

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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on cmck said:



If you want a more interesting way to put this together a party of all riot shields plus one killer could be more interesting than sitting in a corner. Five man shield wall ftw.



(I can think of so many more things I want than a pic of a girl in a bikini. Sigh) Hmm, interesting. Well that's tdm.If you want a more interesting way to put this together a party of all riot shields plus one killer could be more interesting than sitting in a corner. Five man shield wall ftw.(I can think of so many more things I want than a pic of a girl in a bikini. Sigh)



Five other riot shield guys draws attention. I don't think Lethal-Energy (and a few other mega-clans) want unnecessary attention. That's why they keep their clan names off. Get in and out of games, no one is the wiser.



They do try to keep this stuff hidden for the most part. They don't want it out. I know because i have tried to ask, digging around. They get all secretive and act like douche-bags.



And for the most part, I didn't dig around enough to see the exact details of how all their lackeys play. I just found a few games, where LE ended up showing the end scorecard....after the second time, i started to wonder why their top guy kept getting randoms who never shot anyone. Then it dawned on me, those randoms are just the lackey/stooge teammates. Five other riot shield guys draws attention. I don't think Lethal-Energy (and a few other mega-clans) want unnecessary attention. That's why they keep their clan names off. Get in and out of games, no one is the wiser.They do try to keep this stuff hidden for the most part. They don't want it out. I know because i have tried to ask, digging around. They get all secretive and act like douche-bags.And for the most part, I didn't dig around enough to see the exact details of how all their lackeys play. I just found a few games, where LE ended up showing the end scorecard....after the second time, i started to wonder why their top guy kept getting randoms who never shot anyone. Then it dawned on me, those randoms are just the lackey/stooge teammates.

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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on cmck said: Yeah, I know THEY don't want others to know, but do you care? Besides it would be pretty cool to see a guy with an lmg surrounded by shields walking around. It'd just be too funny if you can literally run the other team over by charging them.



Why wouldn't I care? Our clan competes in these. We compete fairly too, with none of LE's silly gaming, to the ridiculous extent they do. So why wouldn't we want to know how they are doing it? It's also interesting to know, that if we finish 20th out of 35,000 clans this upcoming weekend.....



....we aren't really finishing 20th. More than likely, 12 of the 19 clans ahead of us are from LE, all running their boosting tricks to game their scores up. As far as I can tell too, there are at least two other clans doing the same sh*t too....running a main clan, with feeder clans helping to boost the top clans score.



as far as I can tell, if you remove the above bs, we might be the top placing clan. Why wouldn't people in our clan want to know this stuff? And others who do the clan stuff?



Why wouldn't I care? Our clan competes in these. We compete fairly too, with none of LE's silly gaming, to the ridiculous extent they do. So why wouldn't we want to know how they are doing it? It's also interesting to know, that if we finish 20th out of 35,000 clans this upcoming weekend.........we aren't really finishing 20th. More than likely, 12 of the 19 clans ahead of us are from LE, all running their boosting tricks to game their scores up. As far as I can tell too, there are at least two other clans doing the same sh*t too....running a main clan, with feeder clans helping to boost the top clans score.as far as I can tell, if you remove the above bs, we might be the top placing clan. Why wouldn't people in our clan want to know this stuff? And others who do the clan stuff?

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Tactics like this, while maybe not technically "cheating", definitely go against the spirit of the clan contests and take away from their competitive nature and level playing field. I am surprised that the powers that be have not stepped in to limit systems like this. I would hope that they are reviewing some of the games from the teams that consistently win and are aware that this is going on and are considering how to handle it.



maybe that is just wishful thinking though...... I had a feeling that the answer to your questions regarding the clan contests would involve something to this effect.Tactics like this, while maybe not technically "cheating", definitely go against the spirit of the clan contests and take away from their competitive nature and level playing field. I am surprised that the powers that be have not stepped in to limit systems like this. I would hope that they are reviewing some of the games from the teams that consistently win and are aware that this is going on and are considering how to handle it.maybe that is just wishful thinking though......



cmck asked earlier about using riot shield....here's another game i found from Lethal-Energy, in which the stooges are all using riot shields. So that is used at times.















cmck asked earlier about using riot shield....here's another game i found from Lethal-Energy, in which the stooges are all using riot shields. So that is used at times.

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maybe that is just wishful thinking though...... . I would hope that they are reviewing some of the games from the teams that consistently win and are aware that this is going on and are considering how to handle it.maybe that is just wishful thinking though......



Whoever handles Elite (is it Beachhead?)...they are fully aware of it and are letting those two or three mega clans do it.



If this stuff could get out...(which i haven't done yet, kept it to here), wait and see how wrecked the game gets on clan ops day. Take a typical day on a TDM contest. Maybe 15,000 to 20,000 people playing TDM, around 1,650 lobbies going. Throw in about 1,000 clans pulling this garbage, filling about 1/2 the above lobbies....



...watch and see how well the game plays. Whoever handles Elite (is it Beachhead?)...they are fully aware of it and are letting those two or three mega clans do it.If this stuff could get out...(which i haven't done yet, kept it to here), wait and see how wrecked the game gets on clan ops day. Take a typical day on a TDM contest. Maybe 15,000 to 20,000 people playing TDM, around 1,650 lobbies going. Throw in about 1,000 clans pulling this garbage, filling about 1/2 the above lobbies.......watch and see how well the game plays.

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So they get one guy to use a gun while the rest use shields and follow him? I'm confused what they're doing. The OP is kind of... confusing?So they get one guy to use a gun while the rest use shields and follow him?



How is it confusing?



In TDM. Only one person shoots (and get kills). The other five teammates don't follow for the most part. They mostly race off to the corners, hide , or run around with riot shields, making sure they don't kill anyone (watching a few videos, it's mostly for a distraction role. The Heavy hitter runs around to much to actually use the riot shields for cover)



In Kill confirmed, the process is the same. Only one person gets tags, the other five get kills, just don't collect the tags.



You also lobby shop very hard for Dome.



How is it confusing?In TDM. Only one person shoots (and get kills). The other five teammates don't follow for the most part. They mostly race off to the corners, hide , or run around with riot shields, making sure they don't kill anyone (watching a few videos, it's mostly for a distraction role. The Heavy hitter runs around to much to actually use the riot shields for cover)In Kill confirmed, the process is the same. Only one person gets tags, the other five get kills, just don't collect the tags.You also lobby shop very hard for Dome.

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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on mw2baller said: looks like the MW2 boosters found a new hobby. TBH this is ridiculous. How much of a loser do you have to be to get 5-15 deaths per game and no kills for 25 games straight. I mean you're literally the biggest tool in the universe if you do this.



That's why i tried to explain the earlier stuff, how all the clan crap works with Lethal Gaming. A top clan, with a few 'feeder' clans below it, with recruiting clans beneath them. If you want to be a 'cool kid', join up with the cool bros at Lethal Gaming, i'm venturing a guess they are telling new recruits you have to do this a crapload of times, as part of the initiation. Not sure on the details on that part, but the proof is in the videos, i found a bunch of them. They get people to do it. They are doing it. There is an idiot born every second.



i can also vouch for the squeakboxes flooding to these clans, begging to get in. Just to have that gold clan tag, with that name, etc...Our clan alone gets about 20 a week these days, sometimes more. Our clan application mailbox has like 30 applications in it right now. I have no clue how they find us? Probably from the rankings board, maybe from people playing?



So right now, Elite Gaming is also now flooding the top ten with those feeder clans. A typical TDM contest, the top 20 isn't 20 different clans. It's really four clans, with 16 feeder/affiliate clans. I'm going to venture a guess, that in TDM, most of the top 50, top 75 is doing this garbage. In KC, most of the top 20 (KC is a bit harder to do it in)



They also lobby shop pretty hard (which is ok, we all do it to some extent), but they also religiously back out of games the first sign of any opposition. Like if Lethal Gaming ran into one of our groups during a clan contest....they would quit out of the lobby within a minute, as soon as we put up a fight. They put zero premium on winning, KD or anything else....just boosting that kill total for the contest.



That's why i tried to explain the earlier stuff, how all the clan crap works with Lethal Gaming. A top clan, with a few 'feeder' clans below it, with recruiting clans beneath them. If you want to be a 'cool kid', join up with the cool bros at Lethal Gaming, i'm venturing a guess they are telling new recruits you have to do this a crapload of times, as part of the initiation. Not sure on the details on that part, but the proof is in the videos, i found a bunch of them. They get people to do it. They are doing it. There is an idiot born every second.i can also vouch for the squeakboxes flooding to these clans, begging to get in. Just to have that gold clan tag, with that name, etc...Our clan alone gets about 20 a week these days, sometimes more. Our clan application mailbox has like 30 applications in it right now. I have no clue how they find us? Probably from the rankings board, maybe from people playing?So right now, Elite Gaming is also now flooding the top ten with those feeder clans. A typical TDM contest, the top 20 isn't 20 different clans. It's really four clans, with 16 feeder/affiliate clans. I'm going to venture a guess, that in TDM, most of the top 50, top 75 is doing this garbage. In KC, most of the top 20 (KC is a bit harder to do it in)They also lobby shop pretty hard (which is ok, we all do it to some extent), but they also religiously back out of games the first sign of any opposition. Like if Lethal Gaming ran into one of our groups during a clan contest....they would quit out of the lobby within a minute, as soon as we put up a fight. They put zero premium on winning, KD or anything else....just boosting that kill total for the contest.

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The Caporegimes can be seen as the clans with all under-men being other clans. The big boss can be seen as the mega-clans. The Consigliere (which are the right-hand man of the boss) can be seen as other clans that have 'partnerships' (E=MC). This kind of reminds me of how the mafia works.The Caporegimes can be seen as the clans with all under-men being other clans. The big boss can be seen as the mega-clans. The Consigliere (which are the right-hand man of the boss) can be seen as other clans that have 'partnerships' (E=MC).



Yeah, Lethal x Gaming merged with E=MC2 in late June, and formed a super group. And just like the mob, it's almost impossible to track down all their various subgroups. There might be 1,500 people in all those groups.



Elite doesn't exactly make it easy either, completely hiding the placements of all clans after things are over. There is no top 50 list, top 100, etc...None whatsoever. As as a matter of fact, there are complete threads on the IW message board, where people still aren't sure who won the 7-7, 7-14, and 7-21 Domination contests. The only way to find out....is to find the clan who won. But if they don't brag, ...good luck searching through 86,000 clan pages. It's impossible.



Rumors are the above winners cheated....which might explain why Elite stopped using Domination for a competitive format. They stopped it in the rotation after 7/21.







Yeah, Lethal x Gaming merged with E=MC2 in late June, and formed a super group. And just like the mob, it's almost impossible to track down all their various subgroups. There might be 1,500 people in all those groups.Elite doesn't exactly make it easy either, completely hiding the placements of all clans after things are over. There is no top 50 list, top 100, etc...None whatsoever. As as a matter of fact, there are complete threads on the IW message board, where people still aren't sure who won the 7-7, 7-14, and 7-21 Domination contests. The only way to find out....is to find the clan who won. But if they don't brag, ...good luck searching through 86,000 clan pages. It's impossible.Rumors are the above winners cheated....which might explain why Elite stopped using Domination for a competitive format. They stopped it in the rotation after 7/21.

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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on mw2baller said:

In fact we should do this. Find a bunch of little kids and tell them to be meatshields. I wouldn't mind having a couple riot shield buddies running around me. In fact we should do this. Find a bunch of little kids and tell them to be meatshields. I wouldn't mind having a couple riot shield buddies running around me.

This would be easy to do for us.



I watched the 73-1 video. Did the enemy team even shoot back?

With so many sub groups and affiliate groups being run by Lethal-Gaming....it would not shock me if they have a half dozen feeder clans out there, who just 'randomly' join the above said games, get on the opposing side, and then just run around dying a lot for the heavy hitter.There is absolutely no way IW/Beachhead could spot check this.



1. Start a clan, call it "Meatshields"

2. Direct new recruits into it. Tell them they have to join 100 games in progress of the main clan. Die alot.

3. After they are done doing the above....they get an invite into one of the LethalGaming pup clans. Where they next get to run alongside (and kiss the azz) of the heavy-hitters, spending nine hours over the weekend not getting one single kill in a clan contest. Do this enough...maybe they get invited to the next clan.



Done. This would be easy to do for us.With so many sub groups and affiliate groups being run by Lethal-Gaming....it would not shock me if they have a half dozen feeder clans out there, who just 'randomly' join the above said games, get on the opposing side, and then just run around dying a lot for the heavy hitter.There is absolutely no way IW/Beachhead could spot check this.1. Start a clan, call it "Meatshields"2. Direct new recruits into it. Tell them they have to join 100 games in progress of the main clan. Die alot.3. After they are done doing the above....they get an invite into one of the LethalGaming pup clans. Where they next get to run alongside (and kiss the azz) of the heavy-hitters, spending nine hours over the weekend not getting one single kill in a clan contest. Do this enough...maybe they get invited to the next clan.Done.

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Some other things to consider, to help put this into even better perspective. I know someone on here is going to say that these guys are still really good, have top skills, they would win anyways, blah..blah..blah..blah (insert vomiting sound)...even if they didn't do the silly boosting crap. Maybe. Perhaps. But I don't think so, ....and let me shed some light on why that is the case.



Knowledge is power. When discussing if these clans are truly 'skilled'.....look at some of this information. I have a list of every contest, and what clan won each. Elite hides this stuff, but it's out there if you dig around. When you look at the big picture, you can see there have been two types of contests so far. ONE...Killing based contests, that are boostible by the tactics described in this thread. And TWO....capping contests, through the Domination game mode. One can't use the above boosting tactics in the Domination contests (there are other ways, but not as easy as above ones)



So ask yourself.....how have Wicked Elite and Lethal Gaming done in the two formats?



1. Kill/Tag based contests - The above two clans have won 22 straight contests.



2. Domination based contests - The above two clans are 0 - 11 in the last 11 contests (to be fair, no one is still sure who won the last three)



Wow. Imagine that. You would think a bunch of gamers so skilled in CoD, so talented, that they would win 22 freaking straight contests against 85,000 clans, that they would have managed to win at least 1/2 the domming contests. As far as I can tell, they might have won 1.



Does 'skill' suddenly disappear when the contest game mode changes? No. It doesn't. The only change is the boosting tactics can't be used by those groups. What Wicked Elite and Lethal Gaming do, it isn't about 'skill', just about knowledge. Knowledge of how to rig and game a system, to boost one's scores.





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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on jackaltornmoons said: iw5000 said: MORE INFORMATION I know someone on here is going to say that these guys are still really good, have top skills, they would win anyways, blah..blah..blah..blah.



I know someone on here is going to say that these guys are still really good, have top skills, they would win anyways, blah..blah..blah..blah.



I'm pretty sure we all think it's pretty pathetic. I'm pretty sure we all think it's pretty pathetic.



You may or may not. Let each person decide. But this is a stat intensive board, that loves information. I'm sharing what I found out, something that probably 999 out of 1000 CoD (and Elite members) don't even have a clue about. It was also a topic of a prior thread, that got a lot of interest. Right now, all people see is occasional bragging and sh*t talking from these groups how great they are....without realizing the size, scale and scope of the scam those groups are running. Let them have the info.



I would love to hear the thoughts of 'oTradmark'. He's a member here, and member of the WickedElite clan. Another Clan with sub clans, running this bullsh*t boosting stuff. I know he's signed in on this board recently. What are his thoughts on this stuff?







You may or may not. Let each person decide. But this is a stat intensive board, that loves information. I'm sharing what I found out, something that probably 999 out of 1000 CoD (and Elite members) don't even have a clue about. It was also a topic of a prior thread, that got a lot of interest. Right now, all people see is occasional bragging and sh*t talking from these groups how great they are....without realizing the size, scale and scope of the scam those groups are running. Let them have the info.I would love to hear the thoughts of 'oTradmark'. He's a member here, and member of the WickedElite clan. Another Clan with sub clans, running this bullsh*t boosting stuff. I know he's signed in on this board recently. What are his thoughts on this stuff?

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I don't think any amount of skill will get the other team to cap a flag if they don't want to. Yeah, but .... Dom is impossible to have a consistent system for without flooding the enemy teams with people who will cap then leave it undefended. A normal solo dom player will just killwhore them and not bother capping after its been proven that they can't win. The clan they're facing will just take them back in a heartbeat and it won't change anything. So kill the Foxtrotters that want you to play their way for a contest.I don't think any amount of skill will get the other team to cap a flag if they don't want to.



Right. Which is why Wicked Elite and Lethal-Gaming can't win the Dom contest, with the perfect consistency they do in the other formats (ie, winning 22 straight contests)



No boosting...no incredible results. Funny how that works. Right. Which is why Wicked Elite and Lethal-Gaming can't win the Dom contest, with the perfect consistency they do in the other formats (ie, winning 22 straight contests)No boosting...no incredible results. Funny how that works.

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Member Back to Top Post by iw5000 on cmck said: Its not like anyone can do a dom contest well. Its a luck based contest. Who gets paired up with people that will try to take back flags. Who gets paired up with killwhores who won't do anything after the match is basically decided. No skill, so that leaves cheating and luck. I don't like the whole dom contest idea in general if its about capping. Maybe it'd go better if it was who can get the most offensives and defensives?



Uh...you aren't necessarily right there. Not 'everyone' can go play Dom and get say 150 caps in 14 games (over three hours). It's not that easy. And the numbers drop even further if you are trying to get to 200 caps (about 15 per game). It does take some skill, a lot of skill, to get to those numbers. Very few players can do it and on that level, there isn't much luck involved. I know from experience and i have a ton of data to support it. Go try it and see for yourself.



Where the luck comes in is at the outer edges, at the top of the leaderboard. The difference between say 10th place and 30th. A clan that gets say 1,040 caps, versus a clan that got 1,060. That difference, is going to mostly be luck.





Uh...you aren't necessarily right there. Not 'everyone' can go play Dom and get say 150 caps in 14 games (over three hours). It's not that easy. And the numbers drop even further if you are trying to get to 200 caps (about 15 per game). It does take some skill, a lot of skill, to get to those numbers. Very few players can do it and on that level, there isn't much luck involved. I know from experience and i have a ton of data to support it. Go try it and see for yourself.Where the luck comes in is at the outer edges, at the top of the leaderboard. The difference between say 10th place and 30th. A clan that gets say 1,040 caps, versus a clan that got 1,060. That difference, is going to mostly be luck.

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Member Back to Top Post by malgato on After some thought I have concluded that this approach is clearly NOT cheating (unless they are also stacking the opposing team with patsies instructed to throw themselves on the sword of the designated hitter - and maybe that is a big if - I think we all know people will cheat if they can get away with it). But I also conclude that this IS against the spirit and intent of the clan competition. I think this is as much an indictment of the developers behind the clan ops as of is against the clan abusing the system. The developers failed to account for the lowest common denominator factor. People wil always seek a cheap way of achieving a goal.



I think there are plenty of options to improve clan ops. I'm not sure they are going to make any effort during this game cycle. There are no prizes on the line (other than e-peening), so nobody is really hurt by this flaw.



I like the ideas of making it so only games won count towards the total. Or they could create a clan op playlist requiring a minimum number on a team to join the game. With the addition of faceoff, we now have the option of 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 6v6, and 9v9. They can cater to any clan size. That seems like a good option to me - require a full team to join the clan op lobby for the team size of your choice. Then of would be true clan vs clan, instead of which clan can best succeed at pub stomping.