Over the next five years and nearly 30 call processes later, and after having become "perhaps the most approved candidate for ordination in the ELCA" in a "behavioral interview" with the ELCA, he was still without a congregation. Finally, on Nov. 9, 2016, he had an interview with a call committee. It was the day after the presidential election, and Wogaman, admittedly distraught by the results, didn't think he would be a good fit, but went ahead with the meeting.