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AnonDude

@charter.com AnonDude Anon wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Not sure how they are going to be even able to participate in the 600 MHz auction. Same thing for Verizon.

IPPlanMan

Holy Cable Modem Batman

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Washington, DC IPPlanMan Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Yup. Sprint's been saving up for that one: 600MHz Spectrum combined with Sprint's vast 2500MHz holdings... that'll be a wicked fast network.

hamburglar

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united state hamburglar Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Promises...

IPPlanMan

Holy Cable Modem Batman

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Washington, DC IPPlanMan Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in SoftBank, with Son as majority shareholder of Sprint, doesn't have to care what Wall Street thinks. This isn't about next quarter. This is about the next 5 years. Sprint's Spectrum Position after the 600MHz auction is going to be better than any of the other carriers.



The other carriers spent Billions on the AWS-3 midband. Where are they going to raise the capital to compete with Sprint's bid, backed by SoftBank's deep pockets? BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Sprint's spectrum position is already arguably the best of any carrier, with their 800mhz low-band coupled with massive amounts of 2600mhz for capacity... yet they can't seem to effectively use it to be competitive.

amarryat

Verizon FiOS

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Marshfield, MA amarryat Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in said by BiggA: yet they can't seem to effectively use it to be competitive This is Sprint under new leadership. Some people weren't listening to Son when they took over - he said this was going to take a few years. Not 1 year. Seems to me like it's going according to plan, and no reason to become worried. BiggA

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BiggA Premium Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in We'll see in a couple of years, but I don't hear any plans to actually utilize their low-band and do a huge build-out to match Verizon and AT&T's coverage. Sprint's coverage is still a fraction of what the big two have. Until Sprint can cover ever cow field, mountain, and babbling brook that the big two have covered, I can't take them seriously as a competitor.

RogueJawa

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Canal Winchester, OH RogueJawa to BiggA

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I don't know... I live in Ohio and I have LTE from Sprint in places I never expected to have a cell signal. My mother lives deep in the hills of Southern Ohio and I have an LTE signal down there. Wicked fast too. BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Look at their national map... pathetic compared to AT&T and Verizon.

RogueJawa

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Canal Winchester, OH RogueJawa Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Works brilliantly where I need it to, and no caps. BiggA

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Central CT BiggA Premium Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in Not as bad as T-Mobile, but good luck traveling. Many places you're stuck with Verizon 1xRTT. If they had an EVDO roaming agreement with Verizon, it wouldn't be so bad, but that would cost them an arm and a leg.

RogueJawa

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Canal Winchester, OH RogueJawa Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in I guess this is one time being an introvert who is happy to stay at home works out for me lol cahiatt

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Smyrna, GA cahiatt to IPPlanMan

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said by IPPlanMan: This is about the next 5 years. As someone that just left Sprint a few months back after hearing similar statements for the past 10 years.... I'll see it when I believe it. Otherwise it's more hype.

amarryat

Verizon FiOS

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Marshfield, MA amarryat to IPPlanMan

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said by IPPlanMan: This is about the next 5 years. Exactly. Skippy25

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Hazelwood, MO Skippy25 to AnonDude

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Because this is a paper hit and they still have billions of actual currency in their piggy bank.



Not sure if this is in the link provided as I dont care enough to read it, but I can probably safely say that even with this hit they will probably still make several hundreds of millions, if not billions, of actual profit on the quarter.

AnonDude

@charter.com AnonDude Anon Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in said by Skippy25: Because this is a paper hit and they still have billions of actual currency in their piggy bank. Sorry but the $18 billion they spent in the AWS auction is REAL money. At&T does NOT have $18 bil "in the bank" Sandpipers

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San Francisco, CA Sandpipers Member Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in They don't need $18 billion "in the bank" in order to participate in, and possible dominate, the auction. But FYI, for their last fiscal year ended December 31, 2013, they had $3.5 billion in cash, another $14 billion in net receivables, and almost $35 billion in annual total cash flow from operating activities. This was indeed a paper transaction.

AnonDude

@charter.com AnonDude Anon Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in $35 billion BEFORE expenses. Networks don't run for free. If AWS-3 cost nearly $20 bill what is 600 MHz going to cost? Not to mention they are buying DirecTV and they just spent $2.5 bil on some Mexican wireless company.

StoppingBy

@sbcglobal.net StoppingBy Anon Re: wait until the AWS auction bill comes in You're missing the point AnonDude. AT&T is one of the largest capitalized companies in the world with a very healthy balance sheet. There is no auction in which they cannot participate, and dominate, if their own internal analyses show it to be a prudent bid. WhatNow

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Charlotte, NC WhatNow to AnonDude

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The CEO came from the Finance / Accounting Dept not operations. My buddies have been saying the company has been very tight with money since the T-mobile buyout failure.

cork1958

Cork

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Don't know about it being a paper hit and could care less, but, sure would be sweet if they just kept on taking huge hits like that and hit themselves right out of existence!!



Same goes for Verizon!!

igotit

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With a "Spectrum Acquisition Recovery Fee"?

maartena

Elmo

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Orange, CA maartena Premium Member Babyboomers! 70 is the new 50! People that have retired in the last 15 year or so, are more modern, more active, more healthy, and thus live longer..... yeah, if you promised them a pension based in 1980s figures when half the population smoked, you are in for a surprise...



...the babyboomers are retiring! And they are going to retire (on average) a lot longer then your grandpa.

Milwaukee PT

@rr.com Milwaukee PT Anon Re: Babyboomers! The last of baby boomers turn 55 in 2015, with delay in SS benefits start many will be working till age 70 or 2035 before most all baby boomers retired. I myself, if can, plan on working in some capacity till 70 (another 13 years) but may not be full time. Many current retirees are still active in either part time or volunteer mentoring, as well as employment due to increased longer life and not enough savings to live till 85+.



This is the same as other older companies, auto, aircraft, etc where pensions (legacy) costs are affecting the current and future costs and employees both past, present and future are sharing in the decisions of those made before them.



The government in many areas (military for example) are forcing (encourage by buy out or other means) to reduce older workers before eligible for long term benefits while businesses are no longer pensions but shared investment (401k). WhatNow

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Charlotte, NC WhatNow Premium Member Re: Babyboomers! I am old enough to remember when most people were old if the between 70 and 75. It was recommended they take SS at 62-1/2 because there was a good chance they would die before they were 70. Now someone 85 may still be here for another 10+ years. Most big companies barely funded the pension funds for retired employees to live into there 70s and not into their 80s and 90s. If the pension fund ever had a surplus the company would raid it. I also wonder how many companies were bought and paid for by raiding the pension fund of the purchased company. elray

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said by maartena: 70 is the new 50! People that have retired in the last 15 year or so, are more modern, more active, more healthy, and thus live longer..... yeah, if you promised them a pension based in 1980s figures when half the population smoked, you are in for a surprise...



...the babyboomers are retiring! And they are going to retire (on average) a lot longer then your grandpa.



Rather, modern medical technology is able to save many who otherwise didn't make it before, whether they're "victims of gun violence" in Chicago's south side getting patched up by Gulf-war-vet trauma-care surgeons, or folks getting screened early and treated for now-survivable cancers, guys who like to wear dresses now surviving HIV infections, obese diabetics virtually curing their condition via gastric bypass, or the massive use of statins to postpone the mostly predictable consequence of high cholesterol.



There was a time we didn't have paramedics. You "called for an ambulance", but you might as well have phoned the mortuary.



Heart attack? Stroke? Today, that "AED" on the wall in the hands of civilians, improves your odds of survival by 40% over the "4 minute" fire department response.



The "surprise" is going to be born by the pensioners, who are going to get a huge haircut, either within their existing pension or its transfer to the PBGA. No amount of fussing and fuming is going to change that outcome.



The problem isn't so much that the actuaries were wrong, along with the fund managers and everyone else projecting 8% compound returns forever (some of us dissented, but we were dismissed).



The problem is that workers put their faith in their union reps, who "fought the good fight", and promised them the moon; management did their best to hold them off, but eventually was forced to coalesce - and they were happy to commit funding from revenues 30 years down the road, when both sides of the bargaining table would be long gone. No one is necessarily "more healthy", whatever that means.Rather, modern medical technology is able to save many who otherwise didn't make it before, whether they're "victims of gun violence" in Chicago's south side getting patched up by Gulf-war-vet trauma-care surgeons, or folks getting screened early and treated for now-survivable cancers, guys who like to wear dresses now surviving HIV infections, obese diabetics virtually curing their condition via gastric bypass, or the massive use of statins to postpone the mostly predictable consequence of high cholesterol.There was a time we didn't have paramedics. You "called for an ambulance", but you might as well have phoned the mortuary.Heart attack? Stroke? Today, that "AED" on the wall in the hands of civilians, improves your odds of survival by 40% over the "4 minute" fire department response.The "surprise" is going to be born by the pensioners, who are going to get a huge haircut, either within their existing pension or its transfer to the PBGA. No amount of fussing and fuming is going to change that outcome.The problem isn't so much that the actuaries were wrong, along with the fund managers and everyone else projecting 8% compound returns forever (some of us dissented, but we were dismissed).The problem is that workers put their faith in their union reps, who "fought the good fight", and promised them the moon; management did their best to hold them off, but eventually was forced to coalesce - and they were happy to commit funding from revenues 30 years down the road, when both sides of the bargaining table would be long gone.

MrBland

@wildblue.net MrBland Anon False alarm?



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I don't particularly like AT&T, and the wording of that phrase in their investor's report doesn't exactly thrill me, but you'd definitely see network disclosure documents, and a very angry FCC and local residents if they just up and abandoned their phone and internet customers. They haven't even begun seeking the okay to start the "transition" trials yet - and won't until at least the summer. I actually don't think this is much to get up in arms about. AT&T would've posted a network disclosure document saying if they planned to just walk out on a market. Instead, they've posted documents talking about how they've transferred people to fiber-fed digital loop carrier instead of straight copper from the CO in a lot of places.I don't particularly like AT&T, and the wording of that phrase in their investor's report doesn't exactly thrill me, but you'd definitely see network disclosure documents, and a very angry FCC and local residents if they just up and abandoned their phone and internet customers. They haven't even begun seeking the okay to start the "transition" trials yet - and won't until at least the summer. WhatNow

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Charlotte, NC WhatNow Premium Member Re: False alarm? The CEO announced over a year ago that they were planning on cutting off the POTS switches in 2020. Everything on the wireline side would be IP data and VoIP. Their most stable POTS customers are their oldest customers. When people get cell phones they drop the POTS lines after a few years. If the customer gets their internet from cable or the telco only offers slow DSL or no service they drop the POTS line when they get a cell phone.

ham3843

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USA ham3843 Member Re: False alarm? They "plan" on shutting off POTS switches in 2020, problem for them is that they are still regulated and I doubt it will happen at that time.

I'm hoping that Verizon and AT&T wireline businesses will be spun off and create a new Bell System that wants to invest in and service fiber lines in the future. your comment..

