pbjsandwich Profile Joined August 2010 United States 443 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-13 00:28:33 #1 On November 13 2011 06:42 TheGunrun wrote:

Amanda still hasn't yet been paid for the plane tickets, nor have I been paid back yet for bailing Clive out.



Once everything's resolved I'll provide a timeline of events.





DOX's BLOG IS A GOOD SOURCE OF CONSTANT UPDATES LINK



With all the recent things that have come to light is there any reason why we should support this tournament?



If you don't know what has happened here's a list of things you can read



-Dox (the organizer of the Australian quals for the IPL4 qual) wrote a blogpost about his interactions with Gus and Team AZK(



Prize Money

With all the recent things that have come to light is there any reason why we should support this tournament?If you don't know what has happened here's a list of things you can read-Dox (the organizer of the Australian quals for the IPL4 qual) wrote a blogpost about his interactions with Gus and Team AZK( link ) and i think this is an important part of the post I don't think anyone actually knows what the prize money is. Some AZK guys were arguing with me yesterday in SC2SEA chat, saying that the prize money is $7,000-$9,000 USD. But at that very same moment, Allyn was quizzing the crowd live on stream, announcing that the prize is $2,000 USD. So I dunno.



also the part about the HoN tourny(



-The YoonYJ incident (



Just read everything that is in the "Facebook Chat" box and tell me you that Gus deserves to be apart of esports.



-IPL's Message to the community (



a real important thing from that I got is that IPL gave these guys money to run a tournament and from a reddit post by David Ting (I'm sorry I can't find it right now) he said that these guys didn't test the stream until an hour before. They gave the illusion of being a professional group and duped the IPL out of money.



I honestly don't think there has been anything this bad to ever happen to the SC2 community before and Gus Ledezma needs to be held accountable. This is truly disgusting



also the part about the HoN tourny( link and the cancellation of the other filipino team's flight to the quals is really important too-The YoonYJ incident ( link ) I think the most telling and disgusting part are the facebook messages they exchange.Just read everything that is in the "Facebook Chat" box and tell me you that Gus deserves to be apart of esports.-IPL's Message to the community ( link a real important thing from that I got is that IPL gave these guys money to run a tournament and from a reddit post by David Ting (I'm sorry I can't find it right now) he said that these guys didn't test the stream until an hour before. They gave the illusion of being a professional group and duped the IPL out of money.I honestly don't think there has been anything this bad to ever happen to the SC2 community before and Gus Ledezma needs to be held accountable. This is truly disgusting On November 08 2011 15:00 OopsOopsBaby wrote:

TLDR



ppsl qualifiers

- yoonyj was promised a flight and spot as replacement for targa.

- did not materialise. reason was awaiting funds. (ALSO in the contract there was nothing that said that IGN would be paying for the flight)

- ipl states that payments were on schedule.

- moonglade was asked to represent azk and join azk for 3 months in return for spot and flight but he declined.

- azksickness joins azk recently and gets a free spot and flight without having to go through the qualifiers.

- players from filipino team 'Cube' was denied flights.

- both azk players was given walkovers in group e over rixilius and salt who coincidentally are from 'Cube'



ppsl

- audience did not get the vip privileges (interaction with players, autographs, etc) they paid for on day 1 (usd10). ticketing has no clue.

- stream testing only start 1 hour before event. no sound proofing. not enough ram.

- players have no idea what is going on and the brackets.

- hon players that registered for hon tournament arrive and realise there is no hon tournament. s2 funds unaccounted for.



azk

- some azk members are known for their notoriety online. zanooku/ziek banned from bnet forums and sc2sea after numerous counts of trolling and racism.

- negative comments removed from facebook page



Torch + Gunrun on Fuck Slasher

On November 09 2011 07:34 pdd wrote:

Summary of !@#$ Slasher (Torch and Thegunrun's story):



- Torch was only there with an informal role to provide assistance and support to Korean players (if needed). TheGunrun was there to provide streaming assistance and to ensure event went alright since Twitch.tv was a sponsor.

- venue was set up relatively late (11pm the night before)

- internet was slow

- Gus was not around and uncontactabele till about 2-3pm the first day and it was chaos as no one knew what was happening the first day or who to talk to to get things done.

- they eventually got internet faster (thanks to the ISP), they realize there were problems with hardware as well.

- Gus was around for most of the time after that, but wasn't really doing much to assist with production, just preparing his "apology" speech, which eventually became a "thank you for watching, we made it" speech.

- Torch said that Gus said he was intending to hold another HoN tournament to pay off the $2k, but suspects it could be a way of waving off the heat.

- Gus has been AWOL since the end of the tournament

- AZK crew and production staff were very responsive to helping Torch and Thegunrun

- Despite the "fake" VIP passes, in general crowd feedback was good.

- TheGunrun: Mineski production/organization/stream (WCG Phillipines qualifiers/Pinoy Gaming Festival) was so much better than this event. This is an isolated event. Please don't hate the Filipinos

- LiviB and CheekyDuck had always been scheduled to cast as far as Torch and TheGunrun knew. And frankly they needed more than 1 set of casters for an event that long.

- Naniwa vs Sen was delayed because it was lagging and there were sound issues (insufficient noise cancellation).

- Torch and TheGunrun are looking to set up a Reddit AMA sometime in the future to clarify some of the accusations and try to shed more light on the fiasco (what is real, what is not)



And that is all I guess. Looks like this Gus guy can't really get out of this mess anymore.

Zzoram Profile Joined February 2008 Canada 7070 Posts #2 Seems like these people are just stealing money and not doing the work.

windsupernova Profile Joined October 2010 Mexico 5272 Posts #3 So what do you want us to do?



Lynch him?



I am sure IPL is doing something as we speak. They were the ones cheated for money, support IPL if you want to help "Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games

pbjsandwich Profile Joined August 2010 United States 443 Posts #4 I originally had the thread as the IPL4 quals should be boycotted



IDK



But no one is going to sue him for breaking the contract



and I don't think enough people knows about this.

Zandar Profile Blog Joined July 2010 Netherlands 1365 Posts #5

The least thing we should do is tell Tasteless he has to choose his drinking partners more carefully The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

EchoZ Profile Blog Joined October 2010 Singapore 4008 Posts #6 After reading everything, I'm really disappointed as AZK. Dear Sixsmith...

pbjsandwich Profile Joined August 2010 United States 443 Posts #7 i really do wish i wrote a better title lol

Zidane Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 1658 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-08 04:09:12 #8 lol at the disapearing HoN tournament money. WTF? how blatant is that?



He probably put that 2k into his drinking escapades with tasteless. Guy needs to be lynched.

Aegeis Profile Blog Joined April 2010 United States 1605 Posts #9 Guz Ledezma needs to be sent to E-SPORTS COURT "Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports

BEARDiaguz Profile Blog Joined June 2009 Australia 2353 Posts #10 On November 08 2011 13:08 Aegeis wrote:

Guz Ledezma needs to be sent to E-SPORTS COURT



God I wish this was a real thing. God I wish this was a real thing. Progamer Australian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2

ranjutan Profile Joined November 2010 United States 636 Posts Last Edited: 2011-11-08 04:11:58 #11 On November 08 2011 13:08 Zidane wrote:

lol at the disapearing HoN tournament money. WTF? how blatant is that?



He probably put that 2k into his drinking escapades with tasteless. Guy needs to be lynched.



that may be a slight overreaction. that may be aoverreaction. http://i53.tinypic.com/1r3j0p.gif

Klondikebar Profile Joined October 2011 United States 2226 Posts #12 He is being held accountable. IPL is pulling their involvement, no one will watch his stream, and the entire community hates his guts.



And then to speculate I'm sure he's pissed off Tastosis and he's going to have a hard time getting casters in the future.



If there's one entity with whom you should NEVER fuck, it's an internet community. #2throwed

eviltomahawk Profile Blog Joined August 2010 United States 11024 Posts #13 On November 08 2011 12:57 windsupernova wrote:

So what do you want us to do?



Lynch him?



I am sure IPL is doing something as we speak. They were the ones cheated for money, support IPL if you want to help

Don't worry. I'm sure that Reddit's /r/starcraft will be on the case to lynch mob him, as they do this sort of thing pretty much every week.



Anyways, very disappointing to see this drama unfold. I'll wait to see how Gus responds to this criticism and how his team will fare in the aftermath, as there seems to be very strong evidence against him. Don't worry. I'm sure that Reddit's /r/starcraft will be on the case to lynch mob him, as they do this sort of thing pretty much every week.Anyways, very disappointing to see this drama unfold. I'll wait to see how Gus responds to this criticism and how his team will fare in the aftermath, as there seems to be very strong evidence against him. ㅇㅅㅌㅅ

GettinMyFill Profile Joined December 2010 Australia 37 Posts #14 How many times are things like this going to happen before we have a legitimate pro-gamer union of some sort? There are too many scumbags from too many corners of the world who will do this kind of shit over and over and over. The prize-money involved, a majority of the time, is these players livelihood as pro-gamers. I understand that it's IPL's money that this guy has run off with, but there needs to be a governing body for StarCraft players to ensure this doesn't happen.



Surely with a community as large as ours we have some lawyers or legal-minded people who can shed some light on the implications of stupid shit such as this.

pbjsandwich Profile Joined August 2010 United States 443 Posts #15 On November 08 2011 13:12 eviltomahawk wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 08 2011 12:57 windsupernova wrote:

So what do you want us to do?



Lynch him?



I am sure IPL is doing something as we speak. They were the ones cheated for money, support IPL if you want to help

Don't worry. I'm sure that Reddit's /r/starcraft will be on the case to lynch mob him, as they do this sort of thing pretty much every week.



Anyways, very disappointing to see this drama unfold. I'll wait to see how Gus responds to this criticism and how his team will fare in the aftermath, as there seems to be very strong evidence against him. Don't worry. I'm sure that Reddit's /r/starcraft will be on the case to lynch mob him, as they do this sort of thing pretty much every week.Anyways, very disappointing to see this drama unfold. I'll wait to see how Gus responds to this criticism and how his team will fare in the aftermath, as there seems to be very strong evidence against him.

wanna know how Gus is responding to the criticism?



by deleting all the negative posts on their facebook page wanna know how Gus is responding to the criticism?by deleting all the negative posts on their facebook page

Zidane Profile Blog Joined July 2008 United States 1658 Posts #16 On November 08 2011 13:11 ranjutan wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 08 2011 13:08 Zidane wrote:

lol at the disapearing HoN tournament money. WTF? how blatant is that?



He probably put that 2k into his drinking escapades with tasteless. Guy needs to be lynched.



that may be a slight overreaction. that may be aoverreaction.



Yes I am being dramatic.



Yes I am being dramatic. On November 08 2011 13:11 Klondikebar wrote:

He is being held accountable. IPL is pulling their involvement, no one will watch his stream, and the entire community hates his guts.



And then to speculate I'm sure he's pissed off Tastosis and he's going to have a hard time getting casters in the future.



If there's one entity with whom you should NEVER fuck, it's an internet community.



If in fact he made off with thousands of dollars (2k for HoN tourney from S2 games he never held, and 9k prize pool dropping to 2k?)



The fact that IPL pulled support and no one watches his stream anymore or people hate him, is hardly being accountable for his actions. If in fact he made off with thousands of dollars (2k for HoN tourney from S2 games he never held, and 9k prize pool dropping to 2k?)The fact that IPL pulled support and no one watches his stream anymore or people hate him, is hardly being accountable for his actions.

Oreo7 Profile Blog Joined December 2010 United States 1643 Posts #17 S2 needs to sue, community needs to protest, someone needs to tell Koreans to blacklist as well. Stork HerO and Protoss everywhere - redfive on bnet

Bobster Profile Joined January 2011 Germany 3069 Posts #18 Regarding the 2000 dollars for the HoN tournament: If IGN doesn't get that money back, I expect a lawsuit filed by IGN against this Ledezma characters due to fraud.





Legal repercussions aside, it looks like he is done in this community.

Nothingtosay Profile Blog Joined February 2011 United States 869 Posts #19 This guy is done. The majority of the type of people who would find out about and watch this tournament will hear about this. [QUOTE][B]On October 16 2011 13:00 Anihc wrote:[/B] No, you're the one who's wrong. Nothingtosay got it right.[/QUOTE]:3

pbjsandwich Profile Joined August 2010 United States 443 Posts #20 On November 08 2011 13:15 Bobster wrote:

Regarding the 2000 dollars for the HoN tournament: If IGN doesn't get that money back, I expect a lawsuit filed by IGN against this Ledezma characters due to fraud.





Legal repercussions aside, it looks like he is done in this community.

the money was given by S2 the company that made hon the money was given by S2 the company that made hon

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