1) Well I'm glad that I'm acting like a jerk etc, because last time I checked, I didn't ask nor force those other people to reply, nor did I ask for their help in anyway. All I did was state my point of view and relate to ComyCat about what she's going though, because I went through the same thing just like her and learn things differently in life than from the rest of you, because for me, I learnt how to draw everything that I draw, because of learning how to draw manga for less than a yr and practicing on my own, (and also using some common sense). If it wasn't for Manga, I'd have already committee suicide, (since I suffer from depression.) So I will keep defending it like.... (what did you all call me again?? a "Wannabe/Whinny/Bitch/Asshole/ Weeboo was it?, yeah whatever), even if you guys don't value it as much as I do. And I don't care if you think that's a "lame excuse." You weren't me and didn't have the life experiences I had, nor do I expect you to fully understand, despite me trying to explain it in plain English, but ya'll go "No, you're wrong. So wrong" and insist that what you all know is "the only and correct thing" when I am trying to tell you there are possibilities you may not have explored.



And everybody else who read this original post and replied could have just ignored it in the first place and moved on, but they didn't, BY FREEDOM OF CHOICE. Nobody put a gun to their heads and said "hey reply to this or die"

So excuse you, if I choose to act like an asshole back, (and it IS my right too), especially if they're being one towards me in the first place, or being a bunch of drama cry babies because what I had to say "offends them", especially when they respond all pissed off just cuz I chose to reject their "You Must do as I say or I'll hate you anyway" view. (As if you expect that to work.)



And I sorry but I'm not the type of person who tolerates that kind of bullshit, especially from people who aren't already my fans, friends or closer than that. The way I see it, i treat people the way they treat me: You treat me nicely, and niceness is what you'll get back. You treat me like shit, I'm gonna treat you like shit. You reply with a trash comment, I'm gonna give you back one. You act like a cry baby, same thing. I don't really care, especially towards haters, who say shit like "I don't care if you block me, It's gonna be your problem" or "You Must listen to what we have to say..."

And if this is a problem for you then, I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do for that, for you. (And I don't care if I'm sounding like a broken record either. I'm gonna keep repeating it anyway till someone understands and changes their shitty appropriate and I also don't care if you think my way of thinking or doing things is terrible/shitty. That's your perspective. Ain't nothing I can do for that either. )





2) (Half Skill/ Half Network, I already know that and I already have that down, (cuz I don't use DA to do it, ever. I go elsewhere where the service and the people are better. I'm just on DA to support whoever has a DA Account and appreciates the extra support to keep going with their work.) but you can't expect me to be all "ok" with the crap I'm getting here for voicing my view and trying bail out a fellow Depressed person, just cuz you hate my art and insist on saying something about it, (cuz you think it's your right/job), even though I made no mention that I asked for it



And you need to understand that these people are NOT clients or even potential ones and mostly likely never was gonna be in the first place, regardless of how I'd treat them. Being an Artist for 14 yrs+ has allowed me to tell the difference between a hater and an actual client, because A) haters nit pick and complain ALOT for no reason and make some kind of excuse up as to why your work looks shitty to them, especially when they can't make better themselves. B) they pick on you specifically and don't know how to move on, since there are more people on this site (and the internet) in general that you can go check out. C) They tend to be all "Superior"/"You must listen/do as I say or eles"and insist that they're right and the only ones who know something D) They critique you when you never asked one, (especially when they think "oh it's on the internet") and think they have a right to. E) They act like a cry baby and mock you for correcting them or further voicing your opinion, regardless of how they were treated.



Real clients don't EVER do any of those. They approach you friendly and politely compliment you, ask you questions about your work, pricing etc and then ask you to draw/make something for them, if they're still interested. And most of them tell you exactly what they want, once you AGREE to draw/make anything for them and inform them of the cost and the time. And while, you're working on it, you constantly update them, so that during the process, if they don't like something, it can be changed before the final product is given to them. This is how I do my commission work.

(Of course some clients can be aholes where if you turn them down, explaining why, and they get dirty on you. Sadly I have never ever gotten any of these yet so I consider myself.)



As for requests it's alittle different cuz it's FREE art that you're asking for, and in my opinion, you don't have rights to complain, IF I choose to accept, especially where there's a crap load of examples of what kind of Art that I do create and it doesn't match what you want. (People who come to me asking for anything different than what I do, I usually turn down and say it's not a style that I do. And we both go our separate ways.)





" I commission you for a character design. You come back with some stuff, but turns out it's not what I want so I tell you to try again. If you react to that by saying "Fuck you, you're not an artist bitch" then guess what? I won't pay you."

First of all, I have to agree to the commission. If I don't accept your request, then no commission.

Secondly I don't ever draw a whole finished product and go "fuck you, pay me". That's NOT how it works. I communicate with the client, send WIPS, per process (concept art into drawing, and then colouring) and wait until they tell me it's a still a go for each one. And the only time I'd go "fuck you, pay me" is when I finish the art to your specs and you bail out or make an excuse not to pay. Hence why I prefer the half an half system. You pay half now, and the other half later, that way I still get something for my time.





" The art community is small."

Says who exactly?? Cuz the last time I checked this site is freaking huge o.o 26 million+ members and that's for just this site alone, It doesn't count the ones on Facebook or Instagram or Tumblr, even if people have accounts on those two. And it definitely doesn't count for the ones who just don't associate with the Internet at all.





"Temper tantrums like this are going to ripple and people are going to lose respect."

Yeah, but considering that A) I'm not the only person on this site who tends to get a Temper Tantrum, (especially one where 1 has to stand up for their rights and beliefs and what they support), B) Most people (26 mill+ here and 7.1 billion outside in the real world), usually don't care and if they do see tantrums like this, they usually ignore it, cuz they have a life and bigger problems to worry about and would rather not waste on me, and C) Ripples tend to fade, either because people forget or because someone far worse comes alone.

(I mean come on, this isn't the first time shit like this has happened to anybody in general, stop trying to make it seem like it's bigger than it is or that I'm the center of attention, when you know better.)





Also, so what? That's their choice. They lose respect, then they lose respect. I can't change how people choose to feel. Wtf.







3) "Why did you post the worst of your art here?"



"Contrary to popular belief here, you're a pretty damn good artist. Your lillies, your kois, your calligraphy... It's all really good! I can see the eleven years paid off there!

But sorry, you suck at characters. And I know you're going to use the whole "You don't draw anime yadadada" but honestly...

Oh whatever, you'll probably block me anyways and not listen, so I won't even bother trying to explain that."



First of all, I posted my Manga Arts because it was what relevant to ComyCat's thread and I wanted to show her that she isn't alone in the struggle she's going through. and that despite whatever other people say, THERE IS HOPE.



Secondly, that's a matter of opinion for you and the other haters, cuz if people really thought my Manga works were bad/shit/trash/horrible, as you claim that it is, then other people wouldn't have liked it, (even if I shared it in groups or forums or...anywhere), nor would I get commissions or requests for that style of Art. And they wouldn't be like "Please draw "anime" more" whenever I make something different. I've actually been disliked or un-followed, just for not drawing it, and I'm not making an excuse. I'm speaking from my own personal experience. And considering that most of my 2k+ total fans are the ones who care about me and what I do, than say the `10 or 20 of you here who "want something different" (but won't explore DA or the internet for other options), I'm gonna stick with the majority.





"you're a pretty damn good artist."

Thirdly, I do not consider myself "good" or "the best" or "professional" That shit is just a perception/title/people's opinions.

I'm just a regular Artist who prefers to be herself and draw whatever they want (to cope with my depression) and what the majority of her followers like/encourage to keep drawing.



I keep trying to say that, but nobody is listening to anything I have to say, cuz they're too busy feeling butthurt for being rejected for their rudeness, (actingly like I'll die without you), and go off thinking of ways to continue talking smack cuz they think that's gonna offend me, (hence why I block people.) So fuck it, whatever. I don't care anymore. Cuz in the first place I wasn't begging or asking anybody to be a fan. That's your own choice to make.





Fourthly, the only reason I draw the lilies, koi, calligraphy etc, is because you HAVE to if you're making your own Manga Comic and Animations that require background work. Nobody else is gonna do it for me, so I have to do everything myself. And even those aren't good enough for what I'm trying to make. And unfortunately I never really learnt from realism. I learnt from Manga, just observing things/details and just breaking them down into simple shapes and forms.

Everybody LEARNS DIFFERENTLY. I don't understand why ya'll CAN'T seem to accept that fact, and INSIST that someone learns the way you had to learn how to draw or was forced to draw because of someone else's standards.





" And I know you're going to use the whole "You don't draw anime yadadada" but honestly...

Oh whatever, you'll probably block me anyways and not listen, so I won't even bother trying to explain that."



Not really, cuz I'm tired of trying to prove my point to people since they too, don't want to listen. That's their choice and all I can do is just block them and leave them their with their selfish views to bicker and mock me when they couldn't get me to "draw how they wanted me to draw"

So Fuck it.

I don't care anymore!

























