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Mike

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Pittsburgh, PA Mike Mod In Dream Land The corrupt politicians are fired or jailed.



Verizon gets to actually deploy a network or they don't receive anymore federal funds.

ropeguru

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join:2001-01-25

Mechanicsville, VA ropeguru Premium Member Didn't think it was legal... To refuse a FOIA request because of embarrasment. ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL 1 recommendation ISurfTooMuch Member Re: Didn't think it was legal... It isn't, but there isn't any kind of penalty if the state loses in court other than having to release the report. So they really lose nothing by stonewalling.

FFH5

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join:2002-03-03

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said by ropeguru: To refuse a FOIA request because of embarrasment.

Gov't can refuse any FOIA request. If you don't like their decision, you have to go to the courts to force the issue. 2 yrs later, maybe you get the info. ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL 1 recommendation ISurfTooMuch Member And this is exactly why sites like Wikileaks are valuable Situations like this are exactly why we need sites like Wikileaks. Can the state find some sort of legal cover to keep this report secret? Possibly, especially since governments usually get to write the laws they're regulated under. Should they be able to hide it? Not if what they're trying to do is protect someone from embarrassment. If you screwed up, or worse, did something illegal, you deserve to be exposed. And sometimes, the only way to accomplish that is for someone to leak the documents to the public.



And in case anyone says that, no, all we need are for people to leak these documents to the media, sure, that'd be fine, provided the news media would DO ITS FUCKING JOB and actually report on things other than which celebrities went into rehab last week. When the BBC broke the story last week that it's been discovered that Richard Nixon sabotaged negotiations to end the Vietnam War so he could win the 1968 election, and not one of the big media outlets here mentioned it, that's a pretty good sign that the press isn't doing its job and someone else has to.

mr sean

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join:2001-04-03

N. Absentia mr sean Re: And this is exactly why sites like Wikileaks are valuable While I agree with your sentiments, it should be noted that the New York Times and ABC both did in-depth work on then-candidate Nixons interference after then-President Johnson's White House tapes were declassified in 2008. But, as the Daily Kos notes, the untold story was that the Johnson administration actually squashed that story being run by the Christian Science Monitor in 1968.



Just sayin... ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23

Tuscaloosa, AL 1 edit ISurfTooMuch Member Dupe post Dupe post. Sorry.

diablo1892

R.I.P. Donald Lee Wise

join:2011-04-21

Friendly, WV diablo1892 Member Like I said before.. We got HughesNet available here and a couple other providers by satellite and thats better than having no provider available at all. decifal

join:2007-03-10

Bon Aqua, TN decifal Member Re: Like I said before.. said by diablo1892: We got HughesNet available here and a couple other providers by satellite and thats better than having no provider available at all.

There is a place for satellite internet, but for ever day home use, it is not.. Especially if your not in an actual "remote" area....

diablo1892

R.I.P. Donald Lee Wise

join:2011-04-21

Friendly, WV diablo1892 Member Re: Like I said before.. said by decifal: There is a place for satellite internet, but for ever day home use, it is not.. Especially if your not in an actual "remote" area....





So there's all kinds of things bad that can go wrong correct.. It depends on how much download limit you have left, if the NOC is even active or doing maintenance repairs and those can take a stressful long a$$ time, bad weather at one of the ends so connection cannot be made, or if the servers are backed up with congestion.So there's all kinds of things bad that can go wrong kem09030

join:2004-11-29

Rushville, IL kem09030 Member Fairpoint or Frontier I noticed this: Verizon, Cisco and Fairpoint, who convinced corrupt and/or incompetent state officials to spend it on ridiculously overpriced, overpowered and unused routers, and several ridiculously overpaid consultants who haven't actually accomplished anything.



Then this:

If the government themselves isn't worried about being embarrassed (any further), they're likely worried about their campaign-contributing partners in the cock up: Cisco, Verizon and Frontier Communications.



Should it be Frontier instead of Fairpoint in the first list?

XANAVirus

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join:2012-03-03

Lavalette, WV XANAVirus Premium Member I live in this state! Being a resident of this fine state, I'm deeply embarrassed by my politicians acting in a face-saving manner.

These people care more for their reputations than actually solving problems or allowing people to point out flaws.



While they are human, they should not allow their egos or reputations to get in the way of responsible disclosure.



This, I am not happy about this - they should not have refused the request.

This is exactly why we have freedom of information acts in the first place, to guard against government protection of shady, illegal and/or reputation-damaging material.



When the government can refuse request for a 'reason' like this, it shows FOIA acts and requests are merely a smokescreen designed to make us *feel* like we have transparency of government. dsless

join:2001-05-16

Pittsburgh, PA dsless Member Re: I live in this state! WV has been embarrassing it's self for years.



ps Our family had a farm in Lavalette for years. dagg

join:2001-03-25

Galt, CA dagg Member west virginia? The major takeaway from this? If you want consulting work tied to phantom budgets with no spending accountability and a delicious layer of dubious ethics, West Virginia is the place to go.



i call B.S. on this statement.

it can be done in just about ANY state these days.

Tweakbl

join:2008-09-25

Rosedale, WV Tweakbl Member I live in Rosedale West Virginia.

There is the correct figure as to how much the State of West (Fail) Virginia has squandered on stupid stuff, when we do not even have the Backbone made of Fiber to run the crap on.



I have lived here all my Life and for the life of me cannot figure out where we get stupid politicians at.

We do not even have a Fiber Backbone to run this type of Hardware on let alone the justification to go buy that many of those.

It was estimated in the one article that 100 Plus Miles of Fiber could have been ran for $5 Million.

»arstechnica.com/tech-pol ··· -router/ 366 x $22,600 = $8,271,600There is the correct figure as to how much the State of West (Fail) Virginia has squandered on stupid stuff, when we do not even have the Backbone made of Fiber to run the crap on.I have lived here all my Life and for the life of me cannot figure out where we get stupid politicians at.We do not even have a Fiber Backbone to run this type of Hardware on let alone the justification to go buy that many of those.It was estimated in the one article that 100 Plus Miles of Fiber could have been ran for $5 Million. your moderator at work hidden :



nivlac

join:2010-02-26

Atlanta, GA Netgear 7550

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Re: I live in Rosedale West Virginia. It's been a while, but I recall that several years back the state ran fiber optic cable in the US 119 right of way from one end to the other and I think even in the interstate system. The purpose was to provide a backbone to improve the state's system. But perhaps it was for government use only. Then again, maybe they were going to but never did.

Tweakbl

join:2008-09-25

Rosedale, WV Tweakbl Member Re: I live in Rosedale West Virginia. It is a last mile effort not a middle mile solution.

West Virginia has no Backbone, The nearest runs thru Maryland. jdmm72

join:2002-02-12

Cary, NC jdmm72 Member Re: I live in Rosedale West Virginia. That is not correct. We have a major backbone through the Clarksburg area, pretty much the majority of the east-west US connection. That is why the FBI fingerprint center, NASA and DoE are all located precisely there.



I do agree that there is a lot of corruption. And that the "broadband" fund was fraudulently misused, but welcome to WV. I actually did research on the fund in college, including many of their plans. A lot of the plans relied on cellular technologies.



What they ended up spending the money on, was huge overpriced Cisco routers for schools, firestations and libraries. They didn't extend broadband, they "attempted" to create internet cafes in public buildings, which wasn't the design goals. elray

join:2000-12-16

Santa Monica, CA elray Member Government is as Government does... Please, can we let the people keep their hard-earned money, and decide for themselves what best to do with it?

Tweakbl

join:2008-09-25

Rosedale, WV Tweakbl Member Here is useful Links to WV Broadband and Maps



He is also Owner of Citynet, which is a Third Party ISP provider. In his unique situation, he has something to loose and to gain. With the money that is being Flushed away in the form of Stimulus Funds.



Here is a link to Jim's site and West Virginia Broadband.

»www.westvirginia.com/bro ··· maps.cfm

This link shows the major trunks/Backbone's closest to the State of West Virginia. Jim is a Big supporter of a Backbone in the State. As you can see on Jim's Site, a Backbone does NOT exist in WVa.



I recently was in contact with Bob Jacobus at Region 7. He is trying to get a coverage map in Region 7 to be accurate.

»www.regionvii.com/

If your in Region VII and a DSLReport user, take the survey they have up on main page.



The info Region VII is collecting then goes to the West Virginia Broadband Deployment Council

»www.broadband.wv.gov/Pag ··· ult.aspx



Which also reflect the data over to the National Broadband Map

»www.broadbandmap.gov/technology Jim Martin is spearheading the effort to drive home the effort for Middle Mile Broadband (Which will utilize a Main Backbone in the State) He is into a lot of Regional and District over seeing, including my Region, Region VII. » www.regionvii.com/ He is also Owner of Citynet, which is a Third Party ISP provider. In his unique situation, he has something to loose and to gain. With the money that is being Flushed away in the form of Stimulus Funds.Here is a link to Jim's site and West Virginia Broadband.This link shows the major trunks/Backbone's closest to the State of West Virginia. Jim is a Big supporter of a Backbone in the State. As you can see on Jim's Site, a Backbone does NOT exist in WVa.I recently was in contact with Bob Jacobus at Region 7. He is trying to get a coverage map in Region 7 to be accurate.If your in Region VII and a DSLReport user, take the survey they have up on main page.The info Region VII is collecting then goes to the West Virginia Broadband Deployment CouncilWhich also reflect the data over to the National Broadband Map

former cityn

@uhcwv.org former cityn Anon Re: Here is useful Links to WV Broadband and Maps I used to work for Jim years ago, I think he is one of the few that really care about getting broadband in the state. Sure he cares about making money as well, but having worked along side him, I think he has the right ideas.

David0417

Premium Member

join:2001-02-22

Clover, SC David0417 Premium Member Cock Up? ""they're likely worried about their campaign-contributing partners in the cock up: Cisco, Verizon and Frontier Communications""



Cock up? LOL

meeeeeeeeee

join:2003-07-13

Newburgh, NY meeeeeeeeee Member Nice to see W. Va. AHEAD of the curve... Corruption, graft, thieving and scamming your way through life is what the New Amerika is all about, from top to bottom. No one wants to give an honest days work for an honest days pay anymore, and no one is willing to pay an honest days pay either. It's all about greed... No wonder we're racing the Tidy Bowl Man to the bottom... and WINNING!! W. Va. is just a little AHEAD of everyone else, so what's the big deal? Do you really think that any other Government entity anywhere else acts differently? They're just not as blatant. your comment..

