You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!

You both like Islam.

Stranger: Hi

Stranger: Looking for Muslims who love Jihad and Sharia(Allah's law). Muslim brother here

You: hi

You: i have been looking for you for a while

You: you've been on here for hours

Stranger: yes

Stranger: what's up?

You: what is your name? i think i know who you are

Stranger: middle name is Ahmed

Stranger: Where you know me from?

Stranger: Are you Ibrahim?

You: no, and from omegle

You: if you are telling the truth, then you are not who i think you are

You: see, i knew a guy here

You: i'm curious what led you to this path in life

Stranger: You're Muslim?

You: i am not, but i am interested in understanding the psychology of the few amongst the muslims who actually want to engage in (violent) jihad

You: what drives you?

Stranger: The Quran.

Stranger: And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.- 8:39

You: so, frankly, i think your interpretation of the quran is the one that is the most consistent

You: yeah, i've read the quran, too

You: but, what do you say to the vast majority of muslims who disagree with you and don't engage in violent jihad?

Stranger: I didn't interrupt it, the verse says it clearly

You: they would say the verse is abrogated

Stranger: They're ether new to Islam or didn't know about the verse and tafseer of it

You: or they would talk about "no compulsion in religion"

You: they know the verse and tafseer, but they say it was for a different time

You: and that you have to read it in context

You: (remember, i agree with your interpretation)

You: i just want to see how you would respond to them, because i think they are spineless liars

Stranger: Okay, if they say that the verse is false, they're not Muslims clearly

Stranger: the whole point of being Muslim is to believe in whole Quran without doubt

You: they're not saying the verse is false

You: they're saying that the verse is for a different time than now

You: and they actually use that to say that the quran, therefore, is for all times

You: covers old times and now

You: like how the 66th surah talks to muhammad's wives about how if they misbehave, allah will find muhammad better wives

You: that's obviously for only that time. where you and these muslims i talk to disagree is in whether that also applies to these verses about jihad

Stranger: sorry

Stranger: back

You: no problem

Stranger: okay, so basically they made their own interpretation, this is where it get's dangerous

Stranger: The thing is, the interruption should be from the salaf, you know what that is, right?

You: yes

You: i wish i was talking to one of them right now

You: i would love to see you talk to one

You: because i feel that, though we sharply disagree on whether the quran is true or not, i do think that you are sincere

You: whereas i don't think these muslims who live in the west and tell me islam is all about peace and love are honest at all

Stranger: I'm not sincere?

You: i think you are sincere

You: i think they are not sincere

Stranger: So basically, the interruption is from the salaf, so you have to look at the tafseer, now here comes the tricky situation

Stranger: you'll have some people, who kind of twist and play with the interruption to fit their nafs(desires)

Stranger: for example, the verse about, whoever judges than what Allah reveals is a kaffir

Stranger: some took Ibn Abbas tafseer and say that this doesn't mean that they're actually kaffir

Stranger: they use that excuse to keep their filthy rulers

Stranger: like the Saudi

Stranger: and what not

Stranger: so you should be careful of those people

You: so, here's a question for you

You: because the other group of muslims i see who i think are sincere and who make a good case are quranists

You: they say that only the quran is from allah

You: and they reject hadith as unreliable

You: and certainly tafseer as irrelevant

You: what would you say to them?

Stranger: They're apostates and original kaffir because they rejected the verse about obeying what Prophet Muhammed commanded, which comes into hadiths

Stranger: and hadiths have chain

Stranger: that's how you tell if they're authentic or not

Stranger: chain as in, they know who said it, and who said that to who, and who said that to who... all the way to Prophet Muhammed

You: the quranists would say that the quran is a complete book of guidance with no need for external factors that may have been tainted by humans

You: for example, the bible and the torah are considered corrupted. why couldn't hadith be corrupted?

You: (i'm only giving you what they tell me. i am not a muslim)

Stranger: The corrupt hadith are called munkar(rejected) hadiths, there's classification of hadith

Stranger: and btw, I'm not sure if they're apostates exactly because

Stranger: maybe they didn't know about the verse about obeying Prophet Muhammed

Stranger: but when evidence comes to them and they reject then they're apostates

You: which one is that?

You: i'd like to ask them about that verse and their response to it

Stranger: one sec

You: okay

You: i would also add that the authentication was done by humans

You: which is why the quranists would reject any claims that hadith are necessary

You: humans can be wrong, even if they are sincere

Stranger: there's many but here for example, Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and beware (of evil): if ye do turn back, know ye that it is Our Messenger’s duty to proclaim (the Message) in the clearest manner. (5: 92). So, it says to obey Prophet Muhammed's commandment

Stranger: now

Stranger: Quran is Allah's message, where it doesn't talk about Prophet Muhammed's commandment

You: good one to know, thanks

Stranger: where to find Prophet Muhammed's commandment, is in hadiths

Stranger: the munkar hadiths, the Shias have it too, they say to worship Ali and stuff, they're weird

Stranger: they do a lot of shirk, not all Shias, but most

Stranger: that's why one needs to look if the hadith and the Quran link, and if the Hadith contradicts the Quran or not

Stranger: and if the chain of the hadith is good or not

You: but, as i understand it, all that the chain of narration's authentication says is that A told B told C for sure, not that what A said was true

Stranger: Also, the thing about those liberal Muslims are that

You: couldn't it be that A said something untrue, but which didn't misalign with the quran?

You: which did misalign*

Stranger: they try to mix Islam with Western values that goes against Islam. It's just not possible, you can't mix kufr laws or man made laws with Allah's laws

You: wait, no, didn't* hahaha

You: yeah, i'm an atheist, and i agree that sharia and secular values have very little overlap

You: but, here's a question for you. what if one of the people you advocate killing might have one day come to islam?

Stranger: About the chain, the Ulamas know it better

You: but, quranists would say that ulama, as a concept is bid'ah

You: i'm not familiar with anything in the quran or hadith that says that scholars are worth considering at all

Stranger: bid'ah is something that is nothing to do with the sunnah, Prophet Muhammed himself was a Scholar, Ulama

Stranger: Ulama just means a Islamic scholar

You: yeah

You: but, while muhammad might be considered a scholar, quranists would say, why do you get to say that someone from 700 years ago was, too?

You: or that this scholar has any authority?

Stranger: The thing is, we don't know who will die as Muslim or not, it's in Allah will's, including me, so we make dua(prayer) to Allah that we die as Muslims, that's best we can do and we take action to get there

Stranger: Allah chooses the death and chooses who He guides and He knows best

You: but, when you advocate death, you are choosing to kill someone

You: and that person could have not killed that person and waited until they saw it your way, potentially

You: why is it your business to get involved?

Stranger: I didn't get the question about the scholar thing. I don't choose death, no one does, it's in Allah's hand

Stranger: I can go try to kill someone and fail

You: yeah, but you can also just not go kill anyone and let them come to islam

Stranger: but you're saying why is it my business to kill him

You: yes

You: some of the earliest companions of muhammad were not muslim, even after being told about islam

You: muhammad didn't kill his uncle who wasn't a muslim

Stranger: I do the actions based on Quran and sunnah. Let's talk about a non Muslim, if he is droning and slaughering Muslims and I kill him because he is an enemy and Quran said so, they I can do that, whether he died as Muslim or not, who knows

Stranger: but from apparent, he's kaffir

Stranger: as in, we knew he is kaffir, he said it himself

You: but he could change

You: although, honestly, i agree. if someone is fighting you in combat, go ahead, no rules

You: muslim/non-muslim, doesn't matter. if you sign up to go to war, you risk death

Stranger: A Muslim could leave the religion, anything an happen, but who to kill or not, it's just done by Quran and sunnah. Just like any other law

Stranger: even in democracy

Stranger: you have lethal injections

You: sure, though, we're working on erasing the death penalty for a variety of reasons

You: anyway, my question is more about the people who aren't combatants

You: but regular people who have no interest in killing others

You: but who are not muslim

Stranger: Well, this is more deep, but you've good background knowledge of Islam, right?

You: not as much as you, so, try not to assume :p

Stranger: alright, so, basically, let's choose an example, like are you talking about the France or Belgium attack?

You: sure

Stranger: That was done because of an eye for an eye, get what I mean?

You: i know what you mean, but i don't think it's really justified

You: because it's not like those individuals were responsible for hurting muslims

You: in fact, you could argue they help a lot of muslims by taking in refugees of dictators like assad

You: and, france was against the war in iraq

Stranger: [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.- 2:194. I understand what you mean, but look in perspective of IS. They had their children slaughtered by drones, and women. And their women raped by Americans. And raped by Shias which the Americans aided...etc

Stranger: so with all this, they wanted to take revenge

Stranger: but

Stranger: they used Uthaymeen's opinion

Stranger: Uthaymeen said, you can kill their civilians if they kill your children and women, as a deterent

Stranger: but I think they just targeted males cuz they're mostly to be a combatant

Stranger: this also goes to a story

Stranger: when a Jew tribe had covenant with Prophet Muhammed

You: banu qurayza?

Stranger: yup, you read it?

You: yes

You: it's one of the primary reasons i am not a muslim

You: i think you could fairly say i am a kafir

You: i help people leave islam

You: i enjoy that

Stranger: alright

You: i think islam is evil, for this very reason

You: you seem like a decent guy, honestly

You: but with some very wicked values

You: killing innocent people who had nothing to do with harming muslims is a wicked idea

You: doesn't matter if some guy a long time ago said it's okay

Stranger: look, this is about the afterlife, not what your desires think and do

Stranger: everyone has desires

Stranger: but what's right or not, what we want in afterlife is the main real deal

You: well, if you can demonstrate with 0 doubt that there is an afterlife

Stranger: if you think there's no afterlife, then too bad so sad

You: i swear to you i will become not only a muslim, but a jihadist like you

You: if you can't, then i will remain an atheist

Stranger: it doesn't matter, once we die, we'll all know ether ways

Stranger: and death will enter upon everyone

You: we agree we will all die

You: you asked me to see it from IS' perspective

You: now consider it from the atheist's perspective

You: we all agree that we got this life at least

Stranger: I said from IS perspective because that's their argument, not that I agree or disagree, and because of the context of the example I was using

You: ah, sure, okay

Stranger: Sure?

Stranger: You want my perspective or what?

You: well, i understand their perspective, but i think it's trying too hard to justify wickedness, even by a jihadist's standards. killing random women who had nothing to do with the deaths of some muslim woman in syria. how can any ideology truly support that?

You: i don't like how the west talks about the death of innocent muslims as "collateral damage"

You: but, this is very much the muslim equivalent

You: "collateral damage"

You: and, yes, sure, go on with your perspective

Stranger: Anyways, it's about the afterlife

Stranger: but you don't believe in it, so it doesn't matter

You: i would honestly love to believe in jannah

You: but i haven't seen a good reason to yet

Stranger: no you wouldn't

You: why not?

Stranger: you don't care about afterlife, you care about this world, that's it

You: if you could show me that jannah exists, why would i deny it?

You: why would i not want to be in jannah?

You: the highest level of jannah (which is a weird concept to me, but whatever)

Stranger: forget afterlife, do you know what will happen after death?

Stranger: what's your view

You: my view is what i can observe, and i don't know for sure what will happen after death, but i am unconvinced of what muslims say they "know" for sure will happen

You: but, anyone who had solid proof of jannah and who didn't believe in it, is a total fool

You: especially given what jahannam is described as

Stranger: yeah, you won't know everything, nor will I. just like, people in the back days didn't know what pluto was, nor do some people these days. But anyways, there will be always truth, it's jsut about time when one will accept

Stranger: but you rejected

Stranger: and that's done

You: i agree that truth is an objective thing

You: if i am given undeniable evidence of the truth, i wouldn't deny it

You: that's silly to do

You: and dishonest

Stranger: and no, there's no confusion or anything, Allah didn't put us here to be confused, and also

Stranger: before you or I was born, He made us testify that there is only one lord and we'll worship Him, so we already had tawheed, but society and people corrupt us

Stranger: so anyways, you'll not have any excuse whatsoever

You: do understand that from my perspective, these just sound like empty threats

You: there are so many issues i have with the theology and philosophy of islam that have nothing to do with dunya

You: and everything to do with the nature of allah as described

Stranger: I'm not threatening you lol, it's just beliefs

Stranger: which you don't even belief

You: i understand. i'm not saying you are threatening me

You: i mean it's islam's ideological threat to non-muslims

You: "believe or perish in hellfire"

Stranger: No, it's warning to them, to stop their kufr(disbelief) acts and come to Islam

You: but, when i ask philosophical questions about fundamentals beliefs in islam, i often get unsatisfying "allahu alim" sort of answers

You: yeah, i'm oversimplifying to describe what i mean by threat

Stranger: You won't know everything, that's self explanatory, even a Non Muslim knows this

You: here's a fundamental issue i have with allah and free will that i wonder if you could address without deferring to ulama or "only god knows"

Stranger: just like back then people didn't know pluto existed

Stranger: but I'll say this to you clearly

You: but, it's not about knowing everything. just simple answers to simple questions that shouldn't involve copouts

Stranger: Islam is about faith, I didn't see Allah nor Prophet Muhammed nor Prophet Adam but I believe in them

Stranger: therefore I've faith(imaan)

You: ah, so that is the beginning of the end of discourse

You: because faith is unreliable as a means of filtering truth from falsehood

Stranger: but that doesn't mean there is no proof

You: people believe on faith many things that are false

Stranger: Quran is the proof

You: okay, how is the quran proof?

Stranger: it's just time when one wants to accept or reject, really simple

Stranger: it's like

You: i want to accept, but i don't want to delude myself into it. i want good reasons to believe things. otherwise, i am satisfying my nafs ;)

Stranger: the sun, when you rise your head, you can clearly see the sun, you can't just say "oh, but I didn't know", it's clearly there and you saw it

Stranger: it's so simple

Stranger: it's just time, and that's it,

Stranger: and then death

Stranger: then judgement

Stranger: but forget jdugemen

Stranger: for you, just time

Stranger: till death

You: if the sun is like allah, in the sense that it is so easy to verify allah's existence, why do you need faith at all?

You: faith is what leads christians to think jesus was the son of god

You: or hindus to believe that shiva is the only god worthy of worship

You: or even buddhists to believe that there is no god, just that life is a cycle of birth, suffering, and death that humans strive to break

You: faith is what leads muslims to believe muhammad was a prophet and jews to believe muhammad was a false prophet

Stranger: no, sun isn't like Allah, it was just an example, to show, truth is there on your face but you're rejecting it

Stranger: no, Christians don't even believe that, not all, they just do what's told by their priest

Stranger: without knowing what it is

Stranger: if they do believe it, sincerely, they're pagan

Stranger: they believe in Allah

You: they do believe it sincerely. it's a cornerstone of their faith

Stranger: but they associated partner's with Him, that's where the problem occurs

You: but, i think my greater point is about faith being unreliable because it leads people to arrive at 100% certainty at mutually exclusive conclusions

You: not the nitty gritty details here

You: if you had proof, you wouldn't need faith

Stranger: thing is, they already have tawheed, natural belief in one God, it's just the Christians try to mess with them, so now they've a choice, to accept or decline

Stranger: some just do it cuz their parent's said without meaning to

Stranger: that doesn't count

Stranger: when one does it sincerly, that's when they left the fold of Islam

Stranger: with you for example

You: just like muslims who believe because of their parents. i understand what you're saying about christians and don't dispute that christianity is wrong either

You: i was never a muslim

You: my parents were never muslims either

Stranger: you already have belief in oneness of Allah, it was natural, you don't need parents for it, but something wanted to make you reject Allah

Stranger: simple as that

You: well i dispute that

Stranger: yeah, don't believe, but that's it

You: this is just your belief that it was natural for me to believe in allah

You: but it's certainly unfounded

You: if you can prove to me that babies are born with this oneness of allah concept in mind, then i can change my mind

You: until then, it's a type of a naf, isn't it?

You: you're desire to believe this

You: your*

Stranger: lol

You: not used to making that typo haha

Stranger: trust me, you'll not know everything, trust me, even if you think you knew everything nor will I know everything nor will I know everything about Islam. I already said this is about faith in Allah, not man made laws, like scientist's and what not

Stranger: science, it changes from time to time

Stranger: it's not life

Stranger: it's just used for materialistic reasons

Stranger: if you want to know purpose

Stranger: you should ask the creator which you rejected

Stranger: that's it

You: i don't think i will know everything about islam or anything in general, either, but, from what i understand about islam, i am not convinced that it is true

You: i would wholeheartedly accept if i was given good reasons

You: faith is a very bad reason as i demonstrated earlier

You: faith can lead you to sticking to an erroneous conclusion in spite of evidence to the contrary

You: it's pretending to know things you don't know and making knowledge claims on top of that

Stranger: you have issue with killing

Stranger: look

You: yes

Stranger: these are criminals

Stranger: it's not an issue to kill them

You: who are criminals?

Stranger: the ones you can kill in Islam

Stranger: like homosexuals

Stranger: who cares

You: well, before you can even say they are criminals, you must show that what you believe is true

You: all the islamic laws, so far, are irrelevant as long as you keep invoking faith to justify islam

Stranger: I don't think you care what is true or not, you just have issues with killing or something

You: no different than a pirate colony proclaiming its righteousness

Stranger: or that it's "barbaric"

Stranger: or that it's "backwards"

You: you're sidetracking from faith, which i find interesting

You: i do care what is true

Stranger: no you don't

You: you're attacking me and making false assumptions

You: stick to the issues

You: you're making my point stronger that islam is not the truth

Stranger: do you know how I know you don't

You: if it was, you wouldn't have to do this

Stranger: here, wait here

You: no

Stranger: "Stranger: it's one of the primary reasons i am not a muslim

Stranger: i think you could fairly say i am a kafir

Stranger: i help people leave islam

Stranger: i enjoy that"

Stranger: clear cut evidence

You: yeah, well, i'm convinced islam is false

You: but, if i am sorely mistaken, you could set me straight

Stranger: you're just here to make sure people leave Islam

You: show me i'm wrong

Stranger: that's it, literally

You: i would love to see more people leave islam, sure, because i believe islam is not only false, but also wicked

Stranger: exactly

Stranger: you made my point

You: but, as we both said earlier, no one can know 100%

You: no, you are making my point

You: which is that if i am wrong, show me

You: i am interested in being right

You: i have no ego in this. it's all about wanting to believe true things

Stranger: You're not here to see what's right or wrong

You: sure i am

You: you believe strongly in islam

Stranger: you reject it and you want people to reject it

You: make your case

Stranger: that's it

You: i reject it because people like you poorly defend it

You: i reject it because it does not appear to be the truth

You: if you think it's the truth, stick to proving it true

You: rather than making silly attacks

You: if you can't, then i will take that as tacit approval that islam is false

Stranger: these are not attacks and I gave my proof already

You: seems like you can't so far

You: what proof?

You: faith is not proof

You: faith is foolish

You: show me proof for allah

You: show me proof for jannah

Stranger: maybe, copy this whole conversation and read again

Stranger: later

You: lol

You: typical

You: this is why islam will crumble

You: ex-muslims and their allies like me

You: will win

You: islam is doomed

You: atheism is on the rise

You: you can't make your case

You: because islam depends on faith

You: which is foolish

Stranger: okay

Stranger: you think I really care?

You: you don't because you're brainwashed into the cult of a pedophile rapist who murdered people who pointed out his flaws

Stranger: sure

You: yes, marriage to aisha

You: real clear winner you got there

You: solid specimen of a man

You: worthy of emulating forever

You: with his ringing of his ears during "revelations"

You: with his foaming at the mouth like a rabid dodg

You: dog

You: all in sahih hadith, too

Stranger: you're proving my points, you don't like it because of marriage, the war rulings, the acts...etc

You: how embarrassing

Stranger: that's it

You: nope

You: islam is wrong

You: allah's all-powerful/all-knowing/most-merciful attributes and free will are a contradiction

Stranger: lol

You: you have nothing

You: when you are cornered, intellectually, you give up

You: that's why people like you become jihadists

You: you're losers

You: you fail at this life so you hope for the next

You: which is unproven

You: if you're honest, you'll accept that

You: anyway, you're a coward

You: advocating the death of people who have done nothing wrong to you

You: justifying things the so-called islamic state does

You: using a website designed by the kufr, hahaha

You: this is why the kufr are advanced

You: we don't waste our time committing a bunch of useless garbage to memory

You: i would encourage you to speak up on https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim

You: your intellectual cowardice is hilarious

You: your theology is flawed

You: you have no proof, and faith is for fools

You: keep up with empty threats

Stranger: Where are my threats?

You: the threats of violence are implicit in the mind of the believer

You: believing in islam makes you complicit

Stranger: Where are my threats?

Stranger: you said I gave threats, where?

You: the threats of hellfire

Stranger: I didn't talk about the hell fire

You: the advocacy of jihad against the kufr

Stranger: anyways, you didn't show my threats

Stranger: second

You: those are the threats

Stranger: "we don't waste our time committing a bunch of useless garbage to memory" then why are you talking here, to me?

You: i must fear allah and believe in islam otherwise i will perish in hellfire

You: to plant the seeds of doubt

You: to get you to question

You: to wake up

You: and, even, to see your perspective

Stranger: so you want to waste your time

Stranger: ok

You: to see if you have any real reason i may have overlooked

Stranger: contradicts what you said

You: no

Stranger: sounds like a hypocrite

You: i am not wasting my time by planting the seeds of doubt in the mind of a wicked person

You: nah

Stranger: Oh, you're trying to make me leave the religion?

You: maybe that's the end goal

You: i wouldn't mind if you were a peaceful muslim

You: i think they are just dimwitted, but at least they aren't hurting anyone

Stranger: So you're not trying to make me leave the religion?

Stranger: "Stranger: i help people leave islam

Stranger: i enjoy that"

You: yes, that is one thing i do

Stranger: hypocritical

You: it's not hypocritical

You: i didn't say it's the only thing i do

You: you're trying too hard to find contradictions

You: try harder with islam

You: you'll find loads

Stranger: anyways, how's it working, trying to make me leave Islam?

You: it's not all i'm doing

Stranger: lol

Stranger: is your other goal that I become peaceful Muslim?

You: that would be nice, sure

Stranger: guess what

You: you can't expect one conversation to change minds

You: some people are childishly stubborn

You: some people have been brainwashed for too long

Stranger: I would kill you if I saw you, so, I won't be peaceful to a murtad, and my justification is, Islam says to kill the ones who insult Prophet Muhammed and Islam

You: that's fine, if you tried to do that, do know that i wouldn't be some pacifist

You: i would kill you as well

Stranger: so, I won't leave Islam nor be peaceful by going against Allah. That's it.

You: and i would enjoy mocking islam to your dying face

You: because it deserves no respect

You: also, doesn't murtad mean apostate?

You: i was never a muslim

Stranger: Ok, I won't be peaceful to a kaffir who insulted Prophet Muhammed and Islam, ruling is same, killing them

Stranger: unless they are a child or insane

You: sure, which is why islam is not the truth

Stranger: but you're not that

You: the truth doesn't fear scrutiny or even mockery

You: islam does

You: islam is not the truth

You: you can't even make a compelling case for islam

You: only these empty threats

Stranger: that was a real threat

Stranger: but anyways

Stranger: that's it

You: sure it was

You: internet warrior

Stranger: Have you seen the cartoonist who was stabbed?

You: yes, pathetic of muslims

Stranger: this is not something new

Stranger: not internet warrior

Stranger: it happens

Stranger: but whatever

You: i'm not talking about others

You: but you in particular

Stranger: that's it

You: you're a coward

You: guess why isis takes up land in iraq and syria?

You: and not saudi arabia

You: or qatar

You: you're being played

You: they are funding this insurgency to project more influence

You: co-opted by the united states, too. why do you think obama was so willing to give funds and weapons to "moderate rebels"?

You: these are geopolitical conflicts that have been going on for at least a century now

Stranger: whoaceres, you're kaffir, whether you're Christian, Jew, Hindu...etc

Stranger: all same

You: keep the muslim sheep in constant stress and turmoil to keep control of resources. that's the strategy that you all have fallen for. divide and conquer

You: atheist

Stranger: I treat all kaffir the same

You: i wouldn't be stupid enough to be a christian, jew, hindu, muslim, etc. outdated, backwards, silly beliefs founded upon the oldest con in the world: "revelation"

You: how do you know muhammad wasn't a lunatic?

You: sincere question

You: he could have had a mental problem

You: who goes to a cave to "hear voices" but a schizophrenic?

You: who has ringing in the ears prior to or during "revelations except people who have epileptic seizures?

Stranger: to be, all are the same, kaffir, meaning, one who rejects Islam

You: yes, you said that over and over

Stranger: I treat kafir harshly, the Muslims with mercy

Stranger: kaffir is is one camp

Stranger: the Muslim in another camp

You: i understand mr. redundancy

Stranger: I love Muslims but not kaffirs

Stranger: because

Stranger: not just because I hate them

Stranger: I hate their kufr(disbelief)

You: why

You: also, you didn't address anything i asked

You: so, once again, a coward

Stranger: because you reject Allah and is against Islam

You: give me good reasons to believe in those

You: and i swear to you i will convert in a heartbeat

You: if you can't, don't be surprised

You: i will eat all my words and be as good of a muslim as possible if you prove to me that islam is the truth

Stranger: the evidence, you're looking for is, science

You: many former atheists became some of the strongest leaders of their respective religions

You: i'm looking for something that proves to me that you aren't just wishfully thinking

Stranger: Islam is one thing, science is another

You: science is the reason you and i are talking right now

You: so it works

You: show me how islam works

You: prove to me that it works

You: if you can't, again, why are you so hateful that people don't take what you believe seriously?

Stranger: exactly, you worship science

You: i don't worship it

Stranger: while I worship Allah

You: this is a childish exaggeration

You: christians say such things, too

You: because implicitly they want to put people who don't believe in religion on the same silly playing field as themselves

You: when we have wandered off and seen the confining noose that religion has often been for what it is

You: it restricts your ability to critically think

You: faith is the hallmark of that

Stranger: and btw, nevermind, science isn't the "reason", the reason we're talking is because of Allah which you disbelief, from Allah, the people who created this with knowledge of engineering and science and other knowledge...etc

Stranger: anyways

You: you claim that

You: but provide no supporting evidence for allah

Stranger: Islam is one thing, science is another

You: if allah interacts with this world at all, science should be able to detect some footprint allah has left

Stranger: You can research science somewhere else

You: how do you know that what you believe isn't just a bunch of comfortable lies?

You: islam makes you feel powerful and righteous

You: doesn't it

You: you are right. you have the truth. the kufr are evil. they should be destroyed.

You: that's what you like about it, in part

You: what if you're wrong?

You: what if all you have been doing is deluding yourself?

You: how can you be sure that what you believe is truly real?

Stranger: lol, it's really simple, you really want to know how Islam works? go find Quran, read, see if it makes sense, ask Allah for help, and see future, that's it

You: i read it

You: it doesn't make sense

You: in fact, the quran is such a boring piece of literature

Stranger: you don't have to do 100 experiments or have a degree or anything

You: it's repetitive, like you

Stranger: and you've choice of accepting or rejecting, it's not that, you must accept, to me, sounds like that's what you really want

Stranger: it's ether you accept or reject

Stranger: it's really that simple

You: i reject it, but if you accept it, you must have good reasons

You: so demonstrate those reasons

You: if you don't, then just accept that you are just as deluded as christians or hindus or anyone else

You: you just have a pet belief

You: i don't have to be biased towards any religion

You: i can truly say i investigate to find truth and reject falsehood

You: can you?

Stranger: reasons are in Quran, everything is in Quran and sunnah

You: you can't even name them

You: typical

You: cowardly

You: muslim

Stranger: this is not jeopardy, everything is there

Stranger: including reasons that I might not even have

You: so, the sunnah includes the man who married a 6 year old girl

Stranger: or not know about

You: you're cool with that

You: are you into children, sexually?

You: don't get mad at me that i bring up the misdeeds of your prophet either

You: if he was so lovely, i wouldn't have a list of his disgusting acts

Stranger: I will marry a child, if the girl's father agrees, and consummate when she hits puberty

You: that's disgusting

You: predator

You: no wonder

Stranger: I'll do it anyways, if Allah wills

You: yeah, so now i have another part of the puzzle

You: you are not good with the ladies

Stranger: I'll even marry my daughter off like that if I want

You: losers become jihadists

Stranger: and I'll let my sons do the same if I want

You: misfits and dimwits

You: anyway, do know that your theology is flawed

You: faith is flawed

You: if you have to pit islam against science, do know that science has accomplished a great deal over the last 150-400 years

Stranger: are you a lady?

You: whereas islam has given us people who mash their foreheads against the ground where smelly muslim feet have been. so hygienic, mashallah

You: haha, wouldn't you like to know

Stranger: yes, because you said I'm not good with the ladies

You: which is true, you aren't

You: admit it

You: wanting to marry a child is pretty heinous

You: the only reason you would do that, really, is because you can't handle an adult woman who hasn't been groomed by your sick tendencies

You: it's about control

You: islam is a religion by men, for men

You: invented by a man who clearly had psychological issues

Stranger: wait, what's your gender? are you insecure?

You: i'm secure in who i am

Stranger: exactly

You: it's irrelevant

Stranger: no you're not

Stranger: you're excited to speak about Islam but can't say your gender, which isn't even a big deal

You: my interest is islam

You: not discussing who i am personally

Stranger: but you're insecure

You: if that makes you feel better about not getting an answer, so be it

Stranger: I speak different to a guy and girl

You: just as i know you're a dimwit who believes in islam

Stranger: to me, they're not the same

You: well, i speak differently to people who advocate genocide of groups of people and people who are sane

You: i really wonder where your parents went wrong

Stranger: their brain works differently

Stranger: tell me what's your gender and I'll start giving you answer's, direct ones, even if it's repetitive

You: you're not getting that, no matter how much you ask

You: you haven't given me direct answers already, so i won't either

You: you evade

You: because you know i'm right

Stranger: I'm going to brush my teeth, will be back, to hear your gender soon

You: islam is not true

You: lol

Stranger: I'm back

Stranger: I already know you don't believe

You: you probably brushed your teeth with pig-related products by the way

Stranger: lol

You: i'm serious

You: it's almost unavoidable, sadly

Stranger: what brand of toothpaste you think I used?

You: no idea

You: what did you use

Stranger: lol

You: it's in many cosmetics and personal care products at this point though

Stranger: but thanks for the advice, I'll make sure to avoid pig related products

You: if you do, compile a list and post it online

You: a lot of people would benefit

Stranger: I don't do make up so it's not an issue for me

Stranger: I'm a man

You: a sad excuse for one, yes

Stranger: you're a women I think lol

Stranger: or you talk like one

You: think as you wish

Stranger: a man, is direct, and rigid with his answer

Stranger: answers*

You: so, surely, you're a woman then :p

You: having evaded so many of my questions

Stranger: women are soft, and too emotional as in the women can't really give the perfect answer

Stranger: they'll say 100 different answers

You: seems like you alright

Stranger: lol

Stranger: you've any idea how long you talked to me? wonder why you are still here

You: to expose you

You: fool