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Member Back to Top Post by beavdog151 on Larry Farnsworth said: billybaroo said:



If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. 27. I choose my preferences based on my own taste and not the collective opinion of the zeitgeist.If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5.



It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I've been fluffing Kanye on this board since it was a crucifiable offense, and he's easily in my top-5 of living musicians, and while MBDTF is probably his magnum opus, it's still no Illmatic or Ready to Die or Supreme Clientele or Only Built for Cuban Linx or the Chronic or Doggystyle or something that Tupac did or the Blueprint or Aquemeni or the Infamous or Enter the 36 Chambers or Paid In Full or It Takes a Nation of Millions or the Low End Theory or Liquid Swords or Things Fall Apart or...I could keep going.It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. Wtf? Something we actually agree on?

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Member Back to Top Post by billybaroo on Larry Farnsworth said: billybaroo said:



If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. 27. I choose my preferences based on my own taste and not the collective opinion of the zeitgeist.If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5.



It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I've been fluffing Kanye on this board since it was a crucifiable offense, and he's easily in my top-5 of living musicians, and while MBDTF is probably his magnum opus, it's still no Illmatic or Ready to Die or Supreme Clientele or Only Built for Cuban Linx or the Chronic or Doggystyle or something that Tupac did or the Blueprint or Aquemeni or the Infamous or Enter the 36 Chambers or Paid In Full or It Takes a Nation of Millions or the Low End Theory or Liquid Swords or Things Fall Apart or...I could keep going.It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time.



I agree with a lot of that but this is also an opinion. Will my passion for the album fade when its 10 years older and its a legacy album like many of the others you listed?? Sure. However that is the way I feel at this time. If you want to really get at me, I can't stand Liquid Swords. I agree with a lot of that but this is also an opinion. Will my passion for the album fade when its 10 years older and its a legacy album like many of the others you listed?? Sure. However that is the way I feel at this time. If you want to really get at me, I can't stand Liquid Swords.

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Member Back to Top Post by Dale Cooper on Larry Farnsworth said: billybaroo said:



If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. 27. I choose my preferences based on my own taste and not the collective opinion of the zeitgeist.If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5.



It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I've been fluffing Kanye on this board since it was a crucifiable offense, and he's easily in my top-5 of living musicians, and while MBDTF is probably his magnum opus, it's still no Illmatic or Ready to Die or Supreme Clientele or Only Built for Cuban Linx or the Chronic or Doggystyle or something that Tupac did or the Blueprint or Aquemeni or the Infamous or Enter the 36 Chambers or Paid In Full or It Takes a Nation of Millions or the Low End Theory or Liquid Swords or Things Fall Apart or...I could keep going.It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. Huh, I like Late Registration more than most of those albums. Not saying it's better, but personal preference wise...

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Member Back to Top Post by Dale Cooper on billybaroo said: Larry Farnsworth said:



It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I've been fluffing Kanye on this board since it was a crucifiable offense, and he's easily in my top-5 of living musicians, and while MBDTF is probably his magnum opus, it's still no Illmatic or Ready to Die or Supreme Clientele or Only Built for Cuban Linx or the Chronic or Doggystyle or something that Tupac did or the Blueprint or Aquemeni or the Infamous or Enter the 36 Chambers or Paid In Full or It Takes a Nation of Millions or the Low End Theory or Liquid Swords or Things Fall Apart or...I could keep going.It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I agree with a lot of that but this is also an opinion. Will my passion for the album fade when its 10 years older and its a legacy album like many of the others you listed?? Sure. However that is the way I feel at this time. If you want to really get at me, I can't stand Liquid Swords. I can't stand The Chronic. The production's good and Snoop is awesome but Dre kinda annoys the hell out of me.

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Member Back to Top Post by itrainmonkeys on Black Dynamite said: billybaroo said:



If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. 27. I choose my preferences based on my own taste and not the collective opinion of the zeitgeist.If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. You didn't say you're 5 favorite albums... that's a totally different discussion. You said "best of all time", and that means you pretty much have to consider public opinion. If I love a band, but the majority of rap fans hate it, it's hard to consider it the best of all time. Using your guidelines, I could say Mike Jones is the greatest rapper of all time, and I don't see how he's not. Ftr, I love MBDTF and Yeezus, but neither are top 5 albums. They're certainly near the top when it comes to production, no doubt, but I'd like to know what else you have in your top 5 of all time.





Or it could have been "IMO this is the best of all time". Sometimes the "IMO" is implied in posts. Either way, he made it clear what he was trying to say so it's silly to argue that he was actually trying to say something different. Or it could have been "IMO this is the best of all time". Sometimes the "IMO" is implied in posts. Either way, he made it clear what he was trying to say so it's silly to argue that he was actually trying to say something different.

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Member Back to Top Post by Black Dynamite on mkone said: Black Dynamite said: I feel like I could say that about a pretty substantial amount of headliners over the years though... Right, but this is Bonnaroo we're talking about. In what world would most of us place DMB #1, Kings of Leon #2, and Stevie Wonder #3? Mumford and Sons #2 and Petty #3? Eminem #1 and Buffalo Springfield #4? In my opinion, the demographics for Bonnaroo skewer older acts away from being top billed. Unless, of course, you're a fucking Beatle.

I get what you're saying, but Elton is no Buffalo Springfield. The Stevie year, you also had DMB and Jay Z on the bill, who pretty much own the music world between the ages of 15-25, and then KOL who absolutely blew up that year and catered to the same demographic. I'm not saying it's impossible Elton doesn't headline, but I wouldn't assume he won't either. It probably has more to do with who else plays, rather than Elton John himself.

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If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5. 27. I choose my preferences based on my own taste and not the collective opinion of the zeitgeist.If that comment was in reference to me saying MBDTF is the best rap album of all time, that is also just an opinion but I don't see how it's not in the top 5.



It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time. I've been fluffing Kanye on this board since it was a crucifiable offense, and he's easily in my top-5 of living musicians, and while MBDTF is probably his magnum opus, it's still no Illmatic or Ready to Die or Supreme Clientele or Only Built for Cuban Linx or the Chronic or Doggystyle or something that Tupac did or the Blueprint or Aquemeni or the Infamous or Enter the 36 Chambers or Paid In Full or It Takes a Nation of Millions or the Low End Theory or Liquid Swords or Things Fall Apart or...I could keep going.It's a classic, but I really question your judgment if you have it top five of all time.

Exactly. I get what you're saying, but Elton is no Buffalo Springfield. The Stevie year, you also had DMB and Jay Z on the bill, who pretty much own the music world between the ages of 15-25, and then KOL who absolutely blew up that year and catered to the same demographic. I'm not saying it's impossible Elton doesn't headline, but I wouldn't assume he won't either. It probably has more to do with who else plays, rather than Elton John himself.Exactly.

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Kanye is one of the best musicians alive, all his albums are great.... but not that great. Understood. I'm stepping away from this thread. I came to share my excitement not start some message board battle. My boss will be much happier if I return to doing my actual job.Kanye is one of the best musicians alive, all his albums are great.... but not that great. Understood.



People get excited to talk about Kanye around here. Either you have Team Kanye (Juggs, myself, and many others...as you can see) or Team Fuck Kanye (the mutants, the idjits, some normal folks who were there in 2008 and people who don't like rap). Either way, speaking on Kanye will definitely incite some kind of response.



Don't take our questioning the MBDTF-in-the-top-5 as an insult. There are some serious hip-hop fans here, and some even more serious Kanye fans, and we like to argue this stuff. It's nothing personal, plus you're clearly on the good side, so don't take offense to it. People get excited to talk about Kanye around here. Either you have Team Kanye (Juggs, myself, and many others...as you can see) or Team Fuck Kanye (the mutants, the idjits, some normal folks who were there in 2008 and people who don't like rap). Either way, speaking on Kanye will definitely incite some kind of response.Don't take our questioning the MBDTF-in-the-top-5 as an insult. There are some serious hip-hop fans here, and some even more serious Kanye fans, and we like to argue this stuff. It's nothing personal, plus you're clearly on the good side, so don't take offense to it.

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Member Back to Top Post by problem dog on Larry Farnsworth said: Dale Cooper said:



That top 4 would be pretty perfect for my tastes, any of the random guitar bands would work fine though I would prefer Muse the least. Agreed.That top 4 would be pretty perfect for my tastes, any of the random guitar bands would work fine though I would prefer Muse the least.



I mean, I'm positive I'll be skipping them at Coachella for Pharrell or Darkside or Nas or Pet Shop Boys or something, but if I was at a festival where they were unopposed like Bonnaroo I'd be much more excited for them than for many of the other guitar bands hitting fests these days. I was actually pretty down on Muse being booked for Coachella, but then they've popped up in interviews saying that the shows they play this year will focus on "older material and greatest hits." If they play a set which more or less ignores the most recent two albums, I'd be really stoked. Prior to WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WILLLLLLLLLLL BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE VICTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Muse was recognized as a pretty phenomenal band. I've also heard that their live show has remained impressive.I mean, I'm positive I'll be skipping them at Coachella for Pharrell or Darkside or Nas or Pet Shop Boys or something, but if I was at a festival where they were unopposed like Bonnaroo I'd be much more excited for them than for many of the other guitar bands hitting fests these days.



Exactly this. I might try to catch at least a half hour of their set at Coachella depending on conflicts. I wouldn't pay to see them separately, and you won't find me throwing on any of their albums, but I'm sure a festival headlining set would be a lot of fun. I'd prefer Muse over Pearl Jam, The Killers, RHCP, Kings of Leon, The Black Keys....hell, pretty much any other major rock band with radio appeal that isn't Foo Fighters.

Exactly this. I might try to catch at least a half hour of their set at Coachella depending on conflicts. I wouldn't pay to see them separately, and you won't find me throwing on any of their albums, but I'm sure a festival headlining set would be a lot of fun. I'd prefer Muse over Pearl Jam, The Killers, RHCP, Kings of Leon, The Black Keys....hell, pretty much any other major rock band with radio appeal that isn't Foo Fighters.