Yesterday we had a super fun meetup here at Intercom in Dublin. We split up into small discussion groups and talked about things related to managing teams and being a senior individual contributor (IC), and going back and forth throughout your career.

One interesting question that came up repeatedly was: “what are some reasons that someone might not want to be a manager?”

"Things would be different if I was in charge", the all belief that authority is an all powerful magic wand you can wave and fix things. — Mark Roddy (@digitallogic) September 5, 2019

Fascinatingly, I heard it asked over the full range of tones from extremely positive (“what kind of nutter wouldn’t want to manage a team?!”) to extremely negative (“who would ever want to manage a team?!”). So I said I would write a piece and list some reasons.

Point of order: I am going to focus on intrinsic reasons, not external ones. There are lots of toxic orgs where you wouldn’t want to be a manager for many reasons — but that list is too long and overwhelming, and I would argue you probably don’t want to work there in ANY capacity. Please assume the surroundings of a functional, healthy org (I know, I know — whopping assumption).

it's a huge responsibility. if you are having trouble advocating for yourself and your own needs/career goals/work output, then you may not have the capacity to do it for the people you're responsible for managing. i take the role extremely seriously, and it takes a toll. — pie bob (@djpiebob) September 5, 2019

1. You love what you do.

Never underestimate this one, and never take it for granted. If you look forward to work and even miss it on vacation; if you occasionally leave work whistling with delight and/or triumph; if your brain has figured out how to wring out regular doses of dopamine and serotonin while delivering ever-increasing value; if you look back with pride at what you have learned and built and achieved, if you regularly tap into your creative happy place … hell, your life is already better than 99.99% of all the humans who have ever labored and lived. Don’t underestimate the magnitude of your achievement, and don’t assume it will always be there waiting for you to just pick it right back up again.

I got into tech because I like writing code. As a manager, I didn’t get to do that. Becoming a not-manager lets me do that again. — Ben Cox (@BenCoxMusic) September 6, 2019

2. It is easy to get a new engineering job. Really, really easy.

Getting your first gig as an engineer can be a challenge, but after that? It is possibly easier for an experienced engineer to find a new job than anyone else on the planet. There is so much demand this skill set that we actually complain about how annoying it is being constantly recruited! Amazing.

It is typically harder to find a new job as a manager. If you think interview processes for engineers are terrible (and they are, honey), they are even weirder and less predictable (and more prone to implicit bias) for managers. So much of manager hiring is about intangibles like “culture fit” and “do I like you” — things you can’t practice or study or know if you’ve answered correctly. And soooo much of your skill set is inevitably bound up in navigating the personalities and bureaucracies of particular teams and a particular company. A manager’s effectiveness is grounded in trust and relationships, which makes it much less transferrable than engineering skills.

Someone has probably said it, but management will always be an option, but going back from management to writing code again can be very difficult (after some period of time). Anyway, looking forward to the post. — Zack Korman (@ZackKorman) September 6, 2019

3. There are fewer management jobs.

I am not claiming it is equally trivial for everyone to get a new job; it can be hard if you live in an out-of-the-way place, or have an unusual skill, etc. But in almost every case, it becomes harder if you’re a manager. Besides — given that the ratio of engineers to line managers is roughly 7 to one — there will be almost an order of magnitude fewer eng manager jobs than engineering jobs.

Regardless of org health, there's a _lot_ of emotional labor involved. Whether that's good for you personally depends a lot on circumstances, and how much of it you tend to take home with you. If it's too much to take, probably not good to manage, either for you or your team. — Alex Rasmussen (@alexras) September 5, 2019

4. Manager jobs are the first to get cut.

Engineers (in theory) add value directly to the bottom line. Management is, to be brutally frank, overhead. Middle management is often the first to be cut during layoffs

Remember how I said that creation is the engineering superpower? That’s a nicer way of saying that managers don’t directly create any value. They may indirectly contribute to increased value over time — the good ones do — but only by working through other people as a force multiplier, mentor etc. When times get tough, you don’t cut the people who build the product, you cut the ones whose value-added is contingent or harder to measure.

Another way this plays out is when companies are getting acquired. As a baseline for acquihires, the acquiring company will estimate a value of $1 million per engineer, then deduct $500k for every other role being acquired. Ouch.

I noticed that as soon as I had a competent manager, I never considered going into management ever again 😀 — daiyi! ✨ (chris) (@daiyitastic) September 5, 2019

5. Managers can’t really job hop.

Where it’s completely normal for an engineer to hop jobs every 1-3 years, a manager who does this will not get points for learning a wide range of skills, they’ll be seen as “probably difficult to work with”. I have no data to support this, but I suspect the job tenure of a successful manager is at least 2-3x as long as that of a successful IC. It takes a year or two just to gain the trust of everyone on your team and the adjacent teams, and to learn the personalities involved in navigating the organization. At a large company, it may take a few times that long. I was a manager at Facebook for 2.5 years and I still learned some critical new detail about managing teams there on a weekly basis. Your value to the org really kicks in after a few years have gone by, once a significant part of the way things get done resides in your cranium.

As a PE who deliberately "leads" but has no interest in "management": I have stomach-churning aversion to the disciplinary/compensation/downsizing side of management, and a nontrivial chunk of my job satisfaction still comes from learning/exploring hard technical problems. — Sean Blakey (@pythonista) September 5, 2019

6) Engineers can be little shits.

You know the type. Sneering about how managers don’t do any “real work”, looking down on them for being “less technical”. Basically everyone who utters the question “.. but how technical are they?” in that particular tone of voice is a shitbird. Hilariously, we had a great conversation about whether a great manager needs to be technical or not — many people sheepishly admitted that the best managers they had ever had knew absolutely nothing about technology, and yet they gave managers coding interviews and expected them to be technical. Why? Mostly because the engineers wouldn’t respect them otherwise.

7. As a manager, you will need to have some hard conversations. Really, really hard ones.

Do you shy away from confrontation? Does it seriously stress you out to give people feedback they don’t want to hear? Manager life may not be for you. There hopefully won’t be too many of these moments, but when they do happen, they are likely to be of outsized importance. Having a manager who avoids giving critical feedback can be really damaging, because it deprives you of the information you need to make course corrections before the problem becomes really big and hard.

Being a good manager takes emotional maturity, and it can be exhausting to always handle interpersonal problems well. Idk, I like to think I did better than ave, but holding people accountable? Giving the tough talks? If you hate that, do us all a fav and don't be a mgr. — C Guthrie (@cguthrie00) September 6, 2019

8) A manager’s toolset is smaller than you think.

As an engineer, if you really feel strongly about something, you just go off and do it yourself. As a manager, you have to lead through influence and persuasion and inspiring other people to do things. It can be quite frustrating. “But can’t I just tell people what to do?” you might be thinking. And the answer is no. Any time you have to tell someone what to do using your formal authority, you have failed in some way and your actual influence and power will decrease. Formal authority is a blunt, fragile instrument.

For a technical person, being a principal in a company with a two track career ladder, is all the best parts of managing a team without the down sides.



There is still plenty of room to learn and grow, career wise.



Best companies enable people to swap tracks back and forth. — Iain Hull (@IainHull) September 5, 2019

3. If you go become a manager because you want to be the one making the decisions, imagine how happy you'd be with a manager like that. Also remember you're also going to have your own manager

4. Your current skillset is irrelevant. Humans are random & heterogenous. It's hard. — Omer van Kloeten (@omervk) September 5, 2019

9) You will get none of the credit, and all of the blame.

When something goes well, it’s your job to push all the credit off onto the people who did the work. But if you failed to ship, or and, or hire, or whatever? The responsibility is all on you, honey.

Advice I’ve given to a direct, “You like credit too much. Being a manager is not about you any more.” — Damien Ryan (@djryan) September 5, 2019

As an engineer, I have always assumed management to be a bad economic bargain - 300% increase in stress and responsibility for a 0-20% pay raise. — David Falkner (@ardave2002) September 6, 2019

10) Use your position as an IC to bring balance to the Force.

I LOVE working in orgs where ICs have power and use their voices. I love having senior ICs around who model that, who walk around confidently assuming that their voice is wanted and needed in the decision-making process. If your org is not like that, do you know who is best positioned to shift the balance of power back? Senior ICs, with some behind-the-scenes support from managers. For this reason, I am always a little sad when a vocal, powerful IC who models this behavior transitions to management. If ALL of the ICs who act this way become managers, it sends a very dismaying message to the ranks — that you only speak up if you’re in the process of converting to management.

Not the optimal way to achieve impact given the setup of our organization, my personal skills, and work it would necessarily trade off with. — Patrick McKenzie (@patio11) September 6, 2019

11) Management is just a collection of skills, and you should be able to do all the fun ones as an IC.

Do you love mentoring? Interviewing, constructing hiring loops, defining the career ladder? Do you love technical leadership and teaching other people, or running meetings and running projects? Any reasonably healthy org should encourage all senior ICs to participate and have leadership roles in these areas. Management can be unbundled into a lot of different skills and roles, and the only ones that are necessarily confined to management are the shitty ones, like performance reviews and firing people. I LOVE it when an engineer expresses the desire to start learning more management skills, and will happily brainstorm with them on next steps — get an intern? run team meetings? there are so many things to choose from! When I say that all engineers should try management at some point in their career, what I really mean is these are skills that every senior engineer should develop. Or as Jill says:

I tell people all the time that you can do most of the "fun" management things (mentoring, coaching, watching people grow, contributing to decision making) as an IC without doing all the terrible parts of management (firing, budgeting, serious HR things). — Jill Wetzler (@JillWetzler) September 5, 2019

12) Joy is much harder to come by.

That dopamine drip in your brain from fixing problems and learning things goes away, and it’s … real tough. This is why I say you need to commit to a two year stint if you’re going to try management: that, plus it takes that long to start to get your feet under you and is hard on your team if they’re switching managers all the time. It usually takes a year or two to rewire your brain to look for the longer timeline, less intense rewards you get from coaching other people to do great things. For some of us, it never does kick in. It’s genuinely hard to know whether you’ve done anything worth doing.

As a manager who frequently falls down a mental hole about not being totally sure I ever achieve anything or add value: sometimes you can go for long periods unsure you have achieved anything or added value 🙂 — karambola (spice bag) (@karambola_dotca) September 6, 2019

13) It will take up emotional space at the expense of your personal life.

When I was an IC, I would work late and then go out and see friends or meet up at the pub almost every night. It was great for my dating life and social life in general. As a manager, I feel like curling up in a fetal position and rolling home around 4 pm. I’m an introvert, and while my capacity has increased a LOT over the past several years, I am still sapped every single day by the emotional needs of my team.

As an engineer who's survived this long in the biz I know two things: a) I'm really good at dealing with technical stuff, and b) I'm really not good at dealing with people. — Mudslingin Raccoon (@troglobit) September 5, 2019

14) Your time doesn’t belong to you.

It’s hard to describe just how much your life becomes not your own.

My #1 reason:

"Hermit mode" is sometimes how I've cope when I get sufficiently stressed out.



That's really, really not something I can imagine inflicting on a report, not to mention that the *potential* of doing so is stressful... ergo, self-fulfilling prophecy — Isobel Redelmeier (@1z0b31) September 6, 2019

15) Meetings.

Schedule flexibility is an often overlooked reason. Coming back from maternity leave, big trip, sick days are easier if you don’t have a team whose day to day you are responsible for. Also meetings tend not to be very movable time wise. — Yao Yue 岳峣 (@thinkingfish) September 5, 2019

16) If technical leadership is what your heart loves most, you should NOT be a manager.

If you are a strong tech lead and you convert to management, it is your job to begin slowly taking yourself out of the loop as tech lead and promoting others in your place. Your technical skills will stop growing at the point that you switch careers, and will slowly decay after that. Moreover, if you stay on as tech lead/manager you will slowly suck all the oxygen from the room. It is your job to train up and hand over to your replacements and gradually step out of the way, period.

For a while, I personally struggled to switch my mindset from deriving my sense of personal success on the code I shipped to the impact the team(s) I supported were delivering. I have definitely seen others fail to make that change and personally suffer for it. — Joshua Sheppard (@joshualsheppard) September 6, 2019

17) It will always be there for you later.

Wish we could avoid the either/or of manager vs individual contributor. There’s also practice leaders who might not manage within a formal org sense but are specialists and still lead teams and innovative thinking. Best job at the company IMHO — Emily Wengert (@wallowmuddy) September 5, 2019

In conclusion

Given all this, why should ANYONE ever be a manager? Shrug. I don’t think there’s any one good or bad answer. I used to think a bad answer would be “to gain power and influence” or “to route around shitty communication systems”, but in retrospect those were my reasons and I think things turned out fine. It’s a complex calculation. If you want to try it and the opportunity arises, try it! Just commit to the full two year experiment, and pour yourself into learning it like you’re learning a new career — since, you know, you are.

"If you want to spend your emotional energy outside of work "



This one, for me, + Angelina's fantastic response — Pam Selle (@pamasaur) September 5, 2019

But please do be honest with yourself. One thing I hate is when someone wants to be a manager, and I ask why, and they rattle off a list of reasons they’ve heard that people SHOULD want to become managers (“to have a greater impact than I can with just myself, because I love helping other people learn and grow, etc”) but I am damn sure they are lying to themselves and/or me.

Introspection and self-knowledge are absolutely key to being a decent manager, and lord knows we need more of those. So don’t kick off your grand experiment by lying to yourself, ok?

And also, the people who excel at all those management tasks, the ICs who would actually make *great* managers but don't want to do it? They make the *best* ICs. Literally a dream. They make my job so much easier in so many ways. Wouldn't trade them. — Jill Wetzler (@JillWetzler) September 5, 2019

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