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In case you missed the news yesterday, Democrat Bill Foster beat Republican Jim Oberweis for Dennis Hastert's seat in a very special election in IL-14 west of Chicago. The NRCC spent $1.3 million of the $6,4 million it has in the bank to hold a seat they have owned for more than 20 years in a district that is strongly Republican (PVI R+5) and lost to a nuclear physicist who has never run for public office before. Now Foster is a very smart guy, no doubt about that, but he is a newbie to politics. Obama helped Foster and McCain helped Oberweis but this race was in Illinois not Arizona so it is not really Obama vs. McCain, the prequel. Still, many GOP congressmen may be starting to think carefully if this might not be a good time retire voluntarily, rather than involuntarily. (As an aside, it you don't know what PVI is, click here.)

There is discussion going on about a caucus in Michigan and a mail-in primary in Florida so delegations from those states can be seated. That would resolve a huge problem and might determine the Democratic nominee.

The Texas results are still murky,

The sleeping girl in Hillary Clinton's 3 a.m. phone ad is now 18 and supports Obama. Oops. Who knew?

Ideas and suggestions for additional features, data, tables, whatnot to add to this site for the general election are welcome. For example, new information could be added to the Data galore page, but all ideas are welcome.

Tomorrow is the primary in Mississippi. Polls are showing a big Obama win there, largely due to the substantial black population that is about 90% behind him. What is noteworthy is that black women support him as much as black men. Race trumps gender apparently.

Is an Experienced President a Good President?

How good Are experienced presidents, anyway? Suppose you had to choose between two Presidential candidates, one of whom had spent 20 years in Congress plus had considerable other relevant experience and the other of whom had about half a dozen years in the Illinois state legislature and 2 years in Congress. Which one do you think would make a better President? If you chose #1, congratulations, you picked James Buchanan over Abraham Lincoln. Your pick disagrees with that of most historians, who see Lincoln as the greatest President ever and Buchanan as the second worst ever, better only than Warren "Teapot Dome" Harding. Both served in what was probably the most difficult period in American history, where slavery and secession tore the nation asunder.

Before becoming President, Buchanan had served 6 years in the Pennsylvania state legislature, 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, 4 years as ambassador to Russia, 10 years in the Senate, 4 years as Secretary of State, and 4 years as Ambassador to England. Talk about experience, Buchanan did just about everything except serve on the Supreme Court, a job he was offered by President Polk and refused. Yet by any measure, he wasn't up to the job as President. In contrast, Abraham Lincoln served 8 years in the Illinois legislature and one term in the U.S. House (1847-1849), a decade before becoming President. The rest of the time he was a lawyer in private practice, a bit thin one might say.

Of course, these are only two data points. What about all the other Presidents? Weren't the experienced ones the better Presidents? Fortunately, there have been a number of surveys of presidential greatness, some by professional historians and some by the general public. Many of these are given in the Wikipedia page on Historical rankings of U.S. Presidents. The amount of experience each President had before taking office is well known since the lives of all Presidents have been extremely well documented. Thus the basic data--years of experience and ranking--are available making a statistical analysis of experience vs. greatness possible.

David A. Levine of New York has collected the data from Wikipedia and done some analysis of it. Let's start with a table of the Presidents listed in order of their consensus rank in the 12 surveys given in the above Wikipedia page.

President Rank Age VP Gov Senate House State Leg General Cabinet Sum Party Abraham Lincoln 1 52 2 8 10 R Franklin D. Roosevelt 2 51 4 2 6 D George Washington 3 57 16 8.5 24.5 F Thomas Jefferson 4 57 4 2 3 4.25 13.25 DR Theodore Roosevelt 5 42 0.5 2 2 4.5 R Woodrow Wilson 6 56 2 2 D Harry S. Truman 7 60 0.25 10 10.25 D Andrew Jackson 8 61 0.75 3 1.75 7 12.5 D Dwight D. Eisenhower 9 62 11 11 R James K. Polk 10 49 2 14 16 D John Adams 11 61 8 8 F John F. Kennedy 12 43 8 6 14 D James Madison 13 57 8 4 8 20 DR Lyndon B. Johnson 14 55 3 12 12 27 D James Monroe 15 58 3.25 1 6 10.25 DR Grover Cleveland 16 55 2 2 D Ronald Reagan 17 69 8 8 R William McKinley 18 54 4 12 16 R John Quincy Adams 19 57 5.25 8 13.25 DR William Howard Taft 20 51 2.5 4.5 7 R Bill Clinton 21 46 12 12 D George W. Bush 22 54 6 6 R Martin Van Buren 23 54 4 0.25 8 8 2 22.25 D Rutherford B. Hayes 24 54 5.25 2.5 2.25 10 R George H. W. Bush 25 64 8 4 12 R Chester A. Arthur 26 51 0.5 1 1.5 R Herbert Hoover 27 54 7.5 7.5 R Gerald R. Ford 28.5 61 0.75 25 25.75 R Jimmy Carter 28.5 52 4 4 8 D Benjamin Harrison 30 55 6 6 R Calvin Coolidge 31 51 2.5 2 6 10.5 R Richard Nixon 32 56 8 2 4 14 R James Garfield 33 49 18 2 3 23 R Zachary Taylor 34 64 10 10 W John Tyler 35 51 0.08 1.25 6 4.25 11.58 W Millard Fillmore 36 60 1.25 8 2 11.25 W Ulysses S. Grant 37 46 7 7 R William H. Harrison 38 68 3.25 2.5 2 7.75 W Andrew Johnson 39 56 4.25 4 4.5 4 16.75 War Union Franklin Pierce 40 48 5 4 2 11 D James Buchanan 41 65 10.25 10 6 4 30.25 D Warren G. Harding 42 55 6.25 4 10.25 R

As practically everyone knows, the current President is often called Bush 43 (to distinguish him from his father, Bush 41). But there have only been 42 Presidents. Stephen Cleveland (commonly known as Grover) won the popular vote three times, in 1884, 1888, and 1892, but lost the electoral college to Benjamin Harrison in 1888. Having actually won two consecutive elections, he ran again (with Adlai E. Stevenson, grandfather of the 1952 and 1956 Democratic candidate, as his running mate) in 1892 and won, making him the 22nd President and also the 24th President.

In the table above, the top quartile (actually 11) are colored deep green, 2nd quartile (actually 10) is colored light green, the 3rd quartile (actually 11) is colored light red, and the bottom quartile (actually 10) is colored deep red. Recent Presidents have not been included in all the historical surveys, so their rankings should be taken with a grain (or better yet, a metric ton) of sodium chloride. Bush 43, for example, was rated only twice and one of the ratings was by the Wall St. Journal. Rankings of recent Presidents will no doubt change in future years when the wisdom of their decisions (or lack thereof) becomes more apparent.

All experience is not the same. How do you compare being governor of a small state with being governor of a big state? Is being Vice President worth a pitcher of warm beer or any other fluid? Is being a state senator more or less relevant to being president than being Secretary of Commerce? Impossible to say for sure, so I have justed added up the total number of years of experience as a proxy for experience. If you want to weight the columns differently, the data are available in both Excel format and .csv format so you can slice and dice them as you wish. Before becoming a data analyst though, you should a first read the Notes on presidential experience document David wrote.

Now for the test. In the table below, the Presidents are sorted on experience. The most experienced President was James Buchanan, with Lyndon Johnson and Jerry Ford getting the silver and bronze medals, respectively. Chester A. Arthur had a mere 1.5 years experience before he was elevated to the Presidency upon the asassination of President Garfield. If experience and greatness correlate, one would expect the top half of the table (the most experienced Presidents) to be mostly green (good) and the bottom half (inexperienced) to be mostly red (bad). If there is no correlation, the red and green should be random. Indeed, the latter seems to be the case. The top half in terms of experience (above the gray bar) has 10 bad Presidents and 11 good ones, essentially no correlation between greatness and experience. If you don't like this result and want to try for a better one, just get the spreadsheet and start weighting the columns. Undoubtedly you will be able to get a different result if you try hard enough. But the point remains, the Presidents with a lot of experience have not been more outstanding than those with little experience.

President Rank Age VP Gov Senate House State Leg General Cabinet Sum Party James Buchanan 41 65 10.25 10 6 4 30.25 D Lyndon B. Johnson 14 55 3 12 12 27 D Gerald R. Ford 28.5 61 0.75 25 25.75 R George Washington 3 57 16 8.5 24.5 F James Garfield 33 49 18 2 3 23 R Martin Van Buren 23 54 4 0.25 8 8 2 22.25 D James Madison 13 57 8 4 8 20 DR Andrew Johnson 39 56 4.25 4 4.5 4 16.75 War Union James K. Polk 10 49 2 14 16 D William McKinley 18 54 4 12 16 R John F. Kennedy 12 43 8 6 14 D Richard Nixon 32 56 8 2 4 14 R Thomas Jefferson 4 57 4 2 3 4.25 13.25 DR John Quincy Adams 19 57 5.25 8 13.25 DR Andrew Jackson 8 61 0.75 3 1.75 7 12.5 D Bill Clinton 21 46 12 12 D George H. W. Bush 25 64 8 4 12 R John Tyler 35 51 0.08 1.25 6 4.25 11.58 W Millard Fillmore 36 60 1.25 8 2 11.25 W Dwight D. Eisenhower 9 62 11 11 R Franklin Pierce 40 48 5 4 2 11 D Calvin Coolidge 31 51 2.5 2 6 10.5 R Harry S. Truman 7 60 0.25 10 10.25 D James Monroe 15 58 3.25 1 6 10.25 DR Warren G. Harding 42 55 6.25 4 10.25 R Abraham Lincoln 1 52 2 8 10 R Rutherford B. Hayes 24 54 5.25 2.5 2.25 10 R Zachary Taylor 34 64 10 10 W John Adams 11 61 8 8 F Ronald Reagan 17 69 8 8 R Jimmy Carter 28.5 52 4 4 8 D William H. Harrison 38 68 3.25 2.5 2 7.75 W Herbert Hoover 27 54 7.5 7.5 R William Howard Taft 20 51 2.5 4.5 7 R Ulysses S. Grant 37 46 7 7 R Franklin D. Roosevelt 2 51 4 2 6 D George W. Bush 22 54 6 6 R Benjamin Harrison 30 55 6 6 R Theodore Roosevelt 5 42 0.5 2 2 4.5 R Woodrow Wilson 6 56 2 2 D Grover Cleveland 16 55 2 2 D Chester A. Arthur 26 51 0.5 1 1.5 R

Here is a scatterplot of rank vs. experience. If more experience makes you a better President, the dots, each of which is one President, should fall somewhere along the blue theoretical curve--more experience gives you a higher rank (1 being the highest rank). The two Bushes and Clinton are not shown since it is much too early to draw historical judgments on them. One needs a very vivid imagination to perceive the data points falling along the blue line. There does not appear to be any relation between experience and greatness.

Here is the same scatterplot, but now with the Presidents labeled. The Presidents (way) under the line might be regarded as overperformers. They didn't have much experience going into office, but did pretty well once there. The ones (way) above the line had lots of experience but were not good Presidents.

This analysis can be found on the Data galore page below the map in case you want to show it to your friends later in the year.

No new polls today.

The polling results for all states are available as a Web page and in .csv format.

Here are the delegate totals from various news sources rounded to integers (Democrats Abroad has 22 delegates, each with 1/2 vote). Not everyone has processed Wyoming yet. The sources differ because in most caucus states, no delegates to the national conventions have been chosen yet, just delegates to the district, county, or state convention. Also, all sources try to count the PLEOs (Party Leaders and Elected Officials) and unpledged delegates, who also get to vote at the convention. When different reporters call a PLEO and hear "Well, I like Hillary, but Barack has his charms too" they may score it differently.

Delegates

Source Clinton Obama BHO-HRC Edwards McCain Romney Huckabee Paul Washington Post 1462 1567 +105 1253 271 NY Times 1394 1501 +107 12 1110 142 225 5 AP 1468 1578 +110 26 1289 257 278 14 CNN 1428 1527 +99 26 1289 255 267 16 ABC 1467 1577 +110 32 1231 273 272 14 CBS 1460 1570 +110 26 1205 149 231 10 MSNBC 1227 1366 +139 +26 1266 293 262 14

Needed to win: Democrats 2024, Republicans 1191.

Here is another source for delegate totals.