Beyonce is God. She's without a doubt at cultural icon/legend status and anyone who argues is clearly delusional.

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tbh



and why would beyonce be compared to anyone? she's beyonce. people get compared to her

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was MJ the old Beyonce before Beyonce was Beyonce?



How are any of these people gonna argue when Beyonce has never had a flop album and is selling out stadiums still. They can bring up her current lack of hit songs, but the fact she's selling millions of albums without a hit song is a testament to her influence. She's been a success for 20 years. If that doesn't make her an Icon™ idk what does.

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She’s a good singer with some decent songs., but some act like she cured cancer.

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her fans are way ott

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because its The Music Festival™ (and capitalism) they made it two weeks about 5 years ago.





edit: the 2012 festival was when it became 2 weeks



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yeah it's always two weeks... she'll probably switch up some of the songs and interludes but keep the big numbers and the same set.



if she changes the whole concept though people will lose their minds.

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i read she has five more outfits i can't wait to see them

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This 2 weeks thing is only a few years old. Depending on the act (especially a headliner), they might switch things up (different guests or slightly altering setlist).

But it will prolly be the same show essentially.



They did this because there was enough of a demand to warrant doing 2 weekends, apparently.

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i personally think she is a better performer and in the long run will be a more impactful star/celebrity, but that's subjective. there is never going to be a consensus on that sort of thing.



nostalgia is funny though, because artists of a certain time are protected as legends whereas if they were alive and in their prime today they'd be dragged and hated on every day.

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Thank you.

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Well she hasn’t touched little kids so I think that puts her over.

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Yep she’s def higher on the moral scale.

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Ugh.. There were two people arguing on twitter over who was better and this biased guy was like "did Beyonce have to endure years of falsely being accused of something she didn't do. I THINK NOT"



I wanted to like transport myself to his screen and punch him in the face.

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i think Beyonce's lack of current hits is more reflective of this day and age than the quality of her music (and Tidal). it seems significantly harder for a woman over the age of 30 to have radio support/success. like if Madonna released Like a Prayer or if Janet released All for You today they'd probably flop and so would the albums.

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tidal has been the downfall of beyonce

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Yes, i think Beyonce is more so an extremely talented live performer. She doesn't put out dud albums. Her albums are fine, and she has had HUGE hits, but you're right.

She doesn't have those timeless classics like MJ does (or rather, broader appealing ones).



And she seems more approachable/human than Michael was. But that's more so because of the internet age

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Beyonce is more god-like than Michael was



fake news



her persona is more iconic than her music



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She’s God-like in the sense that her stans blindly worship her, while ignoring any and all constructive criticism aimed at her, I agree.

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+1. i love michael's music. he's got great stories in his songs, great production of his videos, and his songs really did produce something new in the industry. i think both have great stage presence and clearly give a fuck about what they put out there ... but i think they are still so different, too. how can you compare apples and oranges? michael and beyoncé didn't really exist in the same time, like christina and britney, so you can't really compare the two as they're on two different journeys.



sorry i just wanted to +1 your comment since ontd is tripping on michael's impact as an artist.

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It's do undermine her, especially those from other peer's bases... *G2BR Lil Kim voice* I'm not gonna say whoooOOooo....

but even as an Xtina fan, Beyonce blows them out of the water. Pre-recorded vocals and all... Idk about other bases of performers who may or may NOT have lost it over the years and has the support of



I do think she's one of the top best pop performers (and I see some weak stans gonna bring in artistry vs performer but I'm sleep).It's #sus that peopleundermine her, especially those from other peer's bases... *G2BR Lil Kim voice*....but even as anfan, Beyonce blows them out of the water. Pre-recorded vocals and all... Idk aboutof performers who may or may NOT have lost it over the years and has the support of #nostalgia to help them thrive.... there's room for all of us on our iPods but some DO bring it more than others

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go in. imma have to agree with your stanalysis here.

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is this a recent gif?

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Idk nostalgia is probably playing a part but everything Michael did always seemed next level- I don’t know what an artist has to do to make people say “he/she surpsssed Michael”.



Beyoncé is gonna be a icon in her own right.



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Beyoncé is gonna be a icon in her own right

I agree but it seems that it's not enough for her stans, they wan't people to remember her as the best performer ever



I think she has a lot left in her, it was weird seeing people say that she is at her peak cuz of her age. Also looking back at the 80s and 90 legends it's crazy to see how young they were. Janet was 20 when she released Control and 23 with Rhythm Nation & MJ was 24 when Thriller came out

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Her stans need to chill cause they put on god-tier levels. Beyoncé absolutely has amazing top-notch work ethic cause everything she did at Beychella was amazing and inspiring.



But if we’re gonna compared to MJ…nah MJ was innovative in a way that no one still to this day no one can say truly “better than MJ” and everyone agreed.





Granted morally she’s a much better person than MJ.



I actually don’t think Beyoncé’s age will play a factor here cause her peak is starting now and she’s at an all-time high demand. She hasn’t even had 1 album flop and after Coachella I was already looking at what’s next.

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Genuine, non shady question: How is Beyoncé’s worldwide reception? I’m aware of her impact in NA, but I don’t follow her closely enough to gauge her international appeal?

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idk but i judge artist by their tours. the formation stadium tour grossed 256m in only 49 shows (and she actually visited non english countries also). to me that's impressive and very significant



but others gauge international appeal by hit singles (which i disagree lol)

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Everyone knows Beyonce. Because overseas she’s not that iconic.

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They still play Crazy in Love in the clubs here in Tokyo and everyone screams tbh

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brasilians love her

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Not even a little bit surprised. Lol

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She is recently a bigger celebrity than a musician in my country Philippines. Lemonade and Beyonce are both VERY LOCAL albums. While the US is going crazy over these 2 albums, they are unheard of here.



I think Tidal affected her in a way, but I also felt her beats recently are not for the GP. They are very niche. No one cares about the lyrics here as we don’t really have similar social issues here that the GP can relate, it’s the generic beats they want sadly, and Lemonade and Beyonce had less of that.



I think they only recent music that cracked here was Drunk in Love, and that just barely cracked. She killed it because of Tidal exclusivity. I think it’s 95% Spotify users here. Apple Music is rare and Tidal is unheard of.



Her biggest hits here are from IASF and Halo.



Edit: Her duet with Ed Sheeran can hardly be used as well, considering Perfect (solo) was already blowing up to the heavens before it was made an official single. She pretty much just rode off with it, yet a lot of people here in my country still recognize the solo version as it was really the first to be released technically. Just like Bruno’s Versace where it already peaked here before it got announced as a single.



She’s still massively popular, people will drive to arenas if she’s going to do a concert here. It’s just that it’s not in terms of music she’s releasing. She’s more remembered of her past hits. CIL, Run the World, Halo, IIWAB, SL



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pretty damn iconic overseas as well

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I live in Germany and while everyone knows her I don't think her status is in any way comparable to what I see/read from people in the US. I don't think she would be considered an icon here.

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In my country, people know her but that's it lol

MJ is def bigger in here cause of his global impact.

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Here in Argentina people know her but they could probably name like 2 songs from her at most

And this was years ago but when she came here, they were giving away a lot of tickets to her show

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She can sing and dance but she can't write a song worth shit and she's basically a corporate puppet. I don't think she's at Madonna's level yet, she doesn't have nearly enough iconic moments or fashion or trailblazing or influence, hell I can't even think of a performance the general public can remember as iconic.

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That’s kinda interesting about the iconic performances because I actually agree. Beyoncé has always given 100% to her performances but she always ignored when Britney or Christina were on the scene. Beyoncé was just kinda there during era (granted she was quietly building up an impressive discography). I always feel like she’s completely benefited from the fact that there’s virtually no competition for her. Taylor, Miley, Selena, Ariana, Demi, Katy etc…etc are nothing next to her.



My girl Britney I don’t think she has the same drive and ambition as before (probably more content being a little more relaxed now) and Christina it’ll be interesting to see what she does when she releases her album. Gaga is a good performer too. But either way I don’t think any of them are threats anymore.



She doesn’t have iconic outfits either(?) I think the leotards are probably closest thing. Some of the outfits worn during the DC days are probably more memorable.



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whats Michael's iconic performance?

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i think ha grammys gold outfit w the crown is already iconic and the black single ladies leotard and this coachella yellow hoodie will prob become iconic

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britney definitely doesn't have the drive she did when she first popped into the music scene, and i don't blame her given how brutal everyone was when she was struggling personally. she's one of the artists who i think is comfortable where she is, but still sells millions bc of her legacy and name alone. i'm still a fan even though i know seeing her live today is nothing compared to her in her prime.

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...i don't think you understand what they talking about

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i get that, but... may i ask if you're white? i am, and i feel that beyonce's performances aren't necessarily going to hold the same level of emotion for me because they're not for me/i don't own the same experiences she has had because of white privilege. madonna was about fighting for sexual expression and used catholic imagery and men of color (as accessories) to provoke a public response. the controversy spoke to a much wider (especially a sexually respressed american) audience, so it was much more popular. beyonce isn't so much about being controversial as she is about projecting the image of being a strong, independent, talented-as-fuck, intelligent black woman. she uses that to bring attention and respect to the black community, where it's been overlooked for far too long.



this is all my opinion. sorry for the length.

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Mmmh i dont bite. She is sort at his level but Beyonce hasnt been this dominant for the past 14 years, only maybe in the last 8 or so has she truly left her peers to dust. Despite that we are living at a time where anything is available, she doesnt have the cross generational transendence that pedo Mike had. EVERYBODY worshipped Michael. His music also imo reached more people globally than Beyonce's does despite the fact that hers is probably more easily available than his because of the age both lived in. And dont @ me about this, she doesn't have the iconic songs that everybody and their grandma dance to and loved. To me, her discography in terms of iconic stand out songs is extremely thin. That is why she is not quite on the same level, but in terms of living artists she stands on her own with not even a single peer on sight. Honestly i dont even think its even possible to be that universally adored anyways. People just have a shit tone more options available.

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You're right about her not having many iconic songs, outside of North America people might know Single Ladies and Crazy In Love but that's it and those aren't like super adored songs like Thriller or Beat It or the juggernaut that is Billie Jean.

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That is a good point about the differences the music industry was back then and now.

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You’re right. Like whatever about Michael, but he was actually a GLOBAL legend, in a way only few people have acheived, not even Beyoncé

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yeah exactly. we're not all huddled around our TVs/radios anymore so superstars are not really a thing. beyonce came at the tail-end of that era before the internet and she's one of the last stars that really matter, but still not MJ level.

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yep. Michael was a global phenomenon. Bey's best hits crazy in love/single ladies don't even come close to thriller or Billie Jean. she's flawless but her fans are doing too much

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i can't believe people are seeing this now. i remember saying here that she was mj level years ago

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I enjoy Beyonce more than MJ

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also, I think it's worth noting that we're comparing her to someone from a generation that set the standard for how we precieve pop stars/icons. i think its important to point out the post-disco influence and the affect MTV had in shaping the standard we have now set for pop stars. a big part of the reason Madonna and Michael are held up to this mythic level is because they broke out in a very specific time in music and have the savvy to utilize a lot of things to their advantage.

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Beyonce is Beyonce

Her image and name is iconic but when you look at her numbers they are very low compared to all the other icons like MJ, Janet, and Madonna.

She seems on their level because all the current singers are trash.



She ain't no MJ. Her videos seem cheap and she's had the same concept since 2003

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same concept as 2003? what? her last two albums - alone - were VASTLY different from each other

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what numbers are we looking at?

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Number 1s and chart topping singles. Mind you other current artists only release a couple of song from an album while Beyonce has released all the songs with videos of her last 2 albums.

Beyonce has had 6 #1 hits and 18 top 10 hits



Also the number of albums sold

Beyonce has 6 albums, Gaga has 4, Adele & Nicki have 3. Those women have sold more or are around the same level



Her numbers are really good but to me her image is way bigger than her work.

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as if michael wasn't doing his exact same old dance moves/aesthetic until the tragic end

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her videos are hella cheap. Buuut, i give her credit for doing quantity over quality..i think.



Music videos dont have the same impact or relevancy like they used to, so even a basic beyonce video is more engaging than some of these basic pop stars

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Yeah, I feel like MJ’s influence during the MTV era is untouchable because music videos will never be as relevant as back then and he completely revolutionized that game. Though he was an electric live performer, I think his singles and music videos are the most iconic element of his career.

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