madals Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United Kingdom 623 Posts #1 Hi all,



Just finished casting WCS EU Challenger with PengWin, it has been a blast as always and thank you all for tuning in.



As part of our aim to improve and be the best casters we can be, both PengWin and I would love to get some feedback on our casting! Anything constructive is much welcome, as ultimately our aim is to make the show as enjoyable as possible for you, the viewers.



Finally, big shout out to all the players for putting on such amazing games and also ESL / ESL UK for the production.



Madals Caster: @Madals91 http://www.youtube.com/Madals91 <--

Faust852 Profile Joined February 2012 Luxembourg 4004 Posts Last Edited: 2014-05-02 21:18:40 #2 I think you are doing well. Maybe lack in the analytics department but this is ok.

Lonyo Profile Blog Joined December 2009 United Kingdom 3113 Posts #3 Well, they do have people like Bling for post-game analysis (at least yesterday when I was watching), so it's not entirely missing within the whole show. HOLY CHECK!

TRaFFiC Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Canada 1442 Posts #4 Pengwin has everything a good caster should have imo. He loves the game, plays a lot, competes actively in tournaments, and provides high level analysis. I think he could be a bit more enthusiastic, but that will come with practice I'd imagine.



Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game. 2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2

mvdunecats Profile Joined December 2011 United States 102 Posts #5 One minor nitpick: I think Pengwin pronounced melee like "mealy", and it should be pronounced like it was "may-lay". It's a commonly used word in SC2, so it's probably worth trying to correct that pronunciation.

vult Profile Blog Joined February 2012 United States 9278 Posts #6 On May 03 2014 06:52 mvdunecats wrote:

One minor nitpick: I think Pengwin pronounced melee like "mealy", and it should be pronounced like it was "may-lay". It's a commonly used word in SC2, so it's probably worth trying to correct that pronunciation.



It can be pronounced either way. EU uses "mealy" a lot and it's not an uncommon pronunciation.



On topic: you and PengWin are doing great, nice work! It can be pronounced either way. EU uses "mealy" a lot and it's not an uncommon pronunciation.On topic: you and PengWin are doing great, nice work! "I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically." -iNcontroL, impersonating TLO flirting with Apollo, ASUS ROG 2012. RIP Geoff. || Pats and Jags

besez Profile Joined June 2010 Sweden 54 Posts Last Edited: 2014-05-02 22:00:00 #7



(click to hear the pronounciation)



Sorry for being off-topic. You did a good job. According to wiktionary the U.S. pronounciation is "/mɛˈleɪ/", not "may-lay". http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/melee (click to hear the pronounciation)Sorry for being off-topic. You did a good job. haypro fighting

dbssaber Profile Joined September 2013 United States 76 Posts #8 Good job today guys! I had a slight nitpick that accidentally turned into a rant on Reddit (http://redd.it/24ks2z), but otherwise good stuff! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) STYLE START SBENU ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

madals Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United Kingdom 623 Posts Last Edited: 2014-05-02 22:22:53 #9 On May 03 2014 06:45 TRaFFiC wrote:

Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game.

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtime Still though, I could do more and aim to do so!



One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for this If you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtimeStill though, I could do more and aim to do so!One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for thisIf you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying Caster: @Madals91 http://www.youtube.com/Madals91 <--

TRaFFiC Profile Blog Joined December 2010 Canada 1442 Posts #10 On May 03 2014 07:21 madals wrote:

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On May 03 2014 06:45 TRaFFiC wrote:

Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game.

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtime Still though, I could do more and aim to do so!



One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for this If you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtimeStill though, I could do more and aim to do so!One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for thisIf you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

You win a lot of points in my book for admitting your rank on a public forum. Good for you man, play on that smurf account. One thing I'll say is consistent practice is where it's at. Even 3 games a day is better than not playing for a week. your brain just needs to start all over again when it takes so much time off. You win a lot of points in my book for admitting your rank on a public forum. Good for you man, play on that smurf account. One thing I'll say is consistent practice is where it's at. Even 3 games a day is better than not playing for a week. your brain just needs to start all over again when it takes so much time off. 2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2

AicyDC Profile Joined November 2012 United Kingdom 67 Posts #11 Game knowledge!!! It wasn't raining when noah built the ark

_fool Profile Joined February 2011 Netherlands 572 Posts #12



Madals, I noticed you doing this a few times during this weeks WCS. I think you're missing out on a great opportunity to explain to the viewers what the impact of the first 2 games will be. Will one player be aggressive in the next game, or take it slow? Who has the momentum? It would allow you to display your knowledge of the game, instead of making a staple remark that applies whenever a score is tied.



Other than that, keep up the good work. I'm sure it must be a hell of a job keeping up with everything, so props for that One thing that really bugs me is when casters (in general) say that a Best-of-5 match with a 1-1 score is "basically" or "effectively" a Best-of-3. That's like saying the last 3ft of a 30ft drop is "just a 3ft drop". The strategies used in the first 2 games play a huge role in the remaining 3 games, so it is not "effectively a Best-of-3", it's a Best-of-5 with 2 games played.Madals, I noticed you doing this a few times during this weeks WCS. I think you're missing out on a great opportunity to explain to the viewers what the impact of the first 2 games will be. Will one player be aggressive in the next game, or take it slow? Who has the momentum? It would allow you to display your knowledge of the game, instead of making a staple remark that applies whenever a score is tied.Other than that, keep up the good work. I'm sure it must be a hell of a job keeping up with everything, so props for that "A good science fiction story should be able to predict not the automobile but the traffic jam" - Frederick Pohl

Xinzoe Profile Joined January 2014 Korea (South) 2359 Posts #13 good cast, needs more humor :D

Darkhorse Profile Blog Joined December 2011 United States 22914 Posts #14 On May 03 2014 07:21 madals wrote:

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On May 03 2014 06:45 TRaFFiC wrote:

Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game.

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtime Still though, I could do more and aim to do so!



One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for this If you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time -- so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtimeStill though, I could do more and aim to do so!One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for thisIf you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?



Also I think you guys did an excellent job. Often in fights you guys would try to talk and try not to talk over eachother resulting in that awkward situation where no one is talking D: but that is very difficult over skype or something and not sitting next to eachother. As some said game knowledge but I thought you weren't too far off most of the time. I think you guys did well. Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?Also I think you guys did an excellent job. Often in fights you guys would try to talk and try not to talk over eachother resulting in that awkward situation where no one is talking D: but that is very difficult over skype or something and not sitting next to eachother. As some said game knowledge but I thought you weren't too far off most of the time. I think you guys did well. Writer Recently Necro'd (?)

ssxsilver Profile Joined June 2007 United States 4404 Posts #15 I don't think you need significant game experience/knowledge for play-by-play. I know TB and Husky have their critics too, but they're among the best play-by-play in the business.



My criticism with your casting Madals stems more from the lack of substance.

-You don't have to tell us common sense stuff like being down 3-1 isn't as bad as being down 3-0 (or something along those lines).

-I've noticed you (and a few other casters) fall into the habit of talking for the sake of filling dead space. Getting excited over a battle is one thing, but not having any pauses during lulls means viewers are just listening to nonstop rambling.

-Finally, not everything has to be great/excellent. This point is not relevant if you do in fact enjoy a certain game, but you seem to paint every game in the same positive light. Long back and forth macro games, games that end in the first push, games that have no action till deathballs. It doesn't feel too genuine.



Just my own opinions on certain things you can improve on. I hope that didn't come off as too harsh as I still think you guys did a solid job.

madals Profile Blog Joined June 2011 United Kingdom 623 Posts #16 On May 03 2014 08:33 Darkhorse wrote:

Show nested quote +

On May 03 2014 07:21 madals wrote:

On May 03 2014 06:45 TRaFFiC wrote:

Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game.

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtime Still though, I could do more and aim to do so!



One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for this If you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time -- so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtimeStill though, I could do more and aim to do so!One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for thisIf you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?



Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?

200m sprint kayak 200m sprint kayak Caster: @Madals91 http://www.youtube.com/Madals91 <--

Darkhorse Profile Blog Joined December 2011 United States 22914 Posts #17 On May 03 2014 08:56 madals wrote:

Show nested quote +

On May 03 2014 08:33 Darkhorse wrote:

On May 03 2014 07:21 madals wrote:

On May 03 2014 06:45 TRaFFiC wrote:

Madals, you're a great all around caster, but you lack solid game knowledge. It seems like you're casting full time at the moment. If that's going to be your full time job, put in some time on ladder. There's no substitute to grinding the game.

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time - believe it or not, I am actually a professional athlete as a day job - so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtime Still though, I could do more and aim to do so!



One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for this If you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

I agree! My game knowledge is by no means my strong point which is why I try to stick to a flow / play-by-play role rather than the analysis. Unfortunately, while I cast a LOT it is by no means full time -- so grinding ladder + casting + that would leave me with 0 downtimeStill though, I could do more and aim to do so!One thing I am looking to do is get a smurf account, one reason I am hesitant to grind ladder at the moment is I would be lucky to place in low dia (more likely plat) due to being mechanically bad and out of practice atm, a lot of the community would flame the shit out of me for thisIf you ever take a look at twitch chat, it is pretty soul destroying

Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?



Wow that is so cool! Don't mean to derail the thread but do you mind asking what you do?

200m sprint kayak 200m sprint kayak

That is awesome! I'm a rower myself That is awesome! I'm a rower myself Writer Recently Necro'd (?)

BasetradeTV Profile Blog Joined October 2012 Canada 1301 Posts #18 I can't remember the password of the recovery e-mail to my own TL account, so I'm posting from this one :p THIS IS RIFKIN THO. I think, personally, one of the aspects about you and pengwin that I don't enjoy is that I'm not listening to a conversation between two people. A lot of the time it's you (madals) taking turns talking [at] each other, rather than the audience or even [with] one another. I think this might be more noticeable to me, because I felt somewhat similar the one time we cast together in GO4SC2. Pengwin's also slightly guilty of this, but I notice it significantly more with you than him.



Now, before anyone over reacts, this doesn't ruin the cast by any means, but the point of this thread is constructive criticism, so take it with a grain of salt. (and ofc, inb4 someone brings my casting into question, even though it has nothing to do with this thread) Commentator

Darkhorse Profile Blog Joined December 2011 United States 22914 Posts #19 On May 03 2014 09:19 BasetradeTV wrote:

I can't remember the password of the recovery e-mail to my own TL account, so I'm posting from this one :p THIS IS RIFKIN THO. I think, personally, one of the aspects about you and pengwin that I don't enjoy is that I'm not listening to a conversation between two people. A lot of the time it's you (madals) taking turns talking [at] each other, rather than the audience or even [with] one another. I think this might be more noticeable to me, because I felt somewhat similar the one time we cast together in GO4SC2. Pengwin's also slightly guilty of this, but I notice it significantly more with you than him.



Now, before anyone over reacts, this doesn't ruin the cast by any means, but the point of this thread is constructive criticism, so take it with a grain of salt. (and ofc, inb4 someone brings my casting into question, even though it has nothing to do with this thread)

You're one to talk! Your casting is garbage!



+ Show Spoiler + I thought if I did this sarcastically to fulfill the prophecy in your last paragraph maybe it would prevent anyone doing it seriously later You're one to talk! Your casting is garbage! Writer Recently Necro'd (?)

superpanda27 Profile Blog Joined October 2012 111 Posts #20 On May 03 2014 09:19 BasetradeTV wrote:

I can't remember the password of the recovery e-mail to my own TL account, so I'm posting from this one :p THIS IS RIFKIN THO. I think, personally, one of the aspects about you and pengwin that I don't enjoy is that I'm not listening to a conversation between two people. A lot of the time it's you (madals) taking turns talking [at] each other, rather than the audience or even [with] one another. I think this might be more noticeable to me, because I felt somewhat similar the one time we cast together in GO4SC2. Pengwin's also slightly guilty of this, but I notice it significantly more with you than him.



Now, before anyone over reacts, this doesn't ruin the cast by any means, but the point of this thread is constructive criticism, so take it with a grain of salt. (and ofc, inb4 someone brings my casting into question, even though it has nothing to do with this thread)



I agree with this, I couldn't put my finger on it, on the thing that sounded odd during the cast, but that was it. It wasn't as flowing maybe because you two, Pengwin and Madals, haven't casted enough with each other. A good cast to me or at least one that sounds good is when it's more like the duo are having a conversation with each other about what is happening in the game. Talking with each other rather than at each other.



It might have helped if both of you were in the same studio, but there were logistical problems I remember Madals saying. Other than that I agree with the other criticisms in here and you guys have been doing a great job. Keep it up! I agree with this, I couldn't put my finger on it, on the thing that sounded odd during the cast, but that was it. It wasn't as flowing maybe because you two, Pengwin and Madals, haven't casted enough with each other. A good cast to me or at least one that sounds good is when it's more like the duo are having a conversation with each other about what is happening in the game. Talking with each other rather than at each other.It might have helped if both of you were in the same studio, but there were logistical problems I remember Madals saying. Other than that I agree with the other criticisms in here and you guys have been doing a great job. Keep it up!

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