Thank you for coming here. This will be my first debateOkay so this argument will not be about Islam, so I will try my best to completely avoid that topic. However keep in mind that when you say "this is probably...." as one of your arguments, your argument is bad. If you do not know what something is, try not to make assumptions about what it actually is.1) Now onto my argument. No Slenderman is not real. The concept of Slenderman originated on a paranormal pictures Photoshop contest. That's right, whoever can Photoshop a picture to make the spookiest one wins. This happened on 2008 on the Something Awful forums."The contest required participants to turn ordinary photographs into creepy-looking images through digital manipulation and then pass them on as authentic photographs on a number of paranormal forums." ( http://knowyourmeme.com... ). Not only that but in a lot of cases participants had to make fabricated witnesses to go along with their photo or story to make things more believable."On June 10th, SA user Victor Surge (real name Eric Knudsen) posted two black and white photographs of unnamed children with a short description of "Slender Man" as a mysterious creature who stalked children."(Something Awful " Create Paranormal Images " Victor Surge / 6/10/2009)These photographs were posted along with two quotes " 'We didn"t want to go, we didn"t want to kill them, but its persistent silence and outstretched arms horrified and comforted us at the same time"' " 1983, photographer unknown, presumed dead." AND"One of two recovered photographs from the Stirling City Library blaze. Notable for being taken the day which fourteen children vanished and for what is referred to as 'The Slender Man'. Deformities cited as film defects by officials. Fire at library occurred one week later. Actual photograph confiscated as evidence. " 1986, photographer: Mary Thomas, missing since June 13th, 1986.""On June 11th, 2009, Victor Surge continued to improve upon the myth by adding another picture and a fake doctor"s account." (Something Awful " Create Paranormal Images " Victor Surge / 6/11/2009)After Slenderman's concept has been favored by most users, people joined in to contribute towards making more photos and stories.After the myth's success, Slenderman became a very popular figure on the massive image board of 4chan. Specifically the /v/ board. In case you are not familiar with 4chan, they have been successful in spreading many hoaxes through out history. Good examples include the iWave which convinced people to microwave their iPhones and the recent Plastic Bag Challenge convincing people to put their heads in plastic bags and suffocate...Outside of 4chan, Slender Man has caught the attention of several websites including the Unfiction Forums, Fangoria, Bungie, Facepunch, Wikibin, /x/enopedia, TVTropes, Kongregate, DeviantArt, SlenderNation, and Mythical Creatures Guide.2) The creation of "Slender Man" may have been also inspired by an ongoing series of amateur adventure games titled "Chzo Mythos" (Wikipedia " Chzo Mythos) published by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw in 2003. In the games, one of the main vilains is called "Cabadath" and is sometimes referred to as "Tall Man." Making his first in-game appearance in Trilby"s Notes, the character was portrayed in the third installment as a tall, thin man dressed in a long, black, high-collared coat with tails that reach to the floor and having a blank face. Throughout the adventures, the Tall Man can be seen stalking and trying to kill the main character. (This is the image http://i0.kym-cdn.com... If we were to assume that your stance is correct, which is that Slenderman is real. Then in that case, the sightings and spread of it would not happen in 2008 on a photoshop forum. It would be largely known throughout the world.Thank you for taking your time to read

Pro



but have you ever heard of a tulpa?



It is when our thoughts become physically real,



the concept behind this is that the universe is an illusion created by our mind,



we see the world only because we believe in it,



but if we strongly believe in slenderman then it can become physically real just as the rest of the universe,



because this whole world is a dream, this argument goes,



but this is not my theory or argument,



my argument is that Slenderman is a Jinn,



and the Jinn were aware of what was going on that forum,



see we all have our own personal Jinn called a Qarin or devil or Satan or Shaytan



this Qarin devil whispers bad thoughts into our head,



it is highly possible that the Qarin inspired the person to make the Slenderman on his forum



this is probably how the Jinn knew about slenderman,



and then the Jinn shapeshifted into slenderman and appeared to those people on Coast to Coast am



so the real argument is do Jinn exist,



you see the Slenderman is a byproduct of the Jinn phenomenon,



so the real question I am asking is do Jinn exist,



and they do,



The Quran mentions them



The Quran was right about the Big Bang (21:30)



so it must be right about Jinn,



this is my central argument,



The Quran was right about the Big Bang, so it must be right about Jinn,



since Jinn can shapeshift into almost anything,



they can assume the form of slenderman too,



therefore slenderman exists,



so please Con answer this question first,



How did the Prophet Muhammad saw know about the Big Bang 1400 years ago?



and second of all



I pointed out that most of the universe is invisible,



now there are an infinite number of worlds in our universe and other universes,



so what does probability state,



that there must be life on those other worlds,



could there not be being on other worlds that resemble slenderman or jinn?



I would argue yes,



so although the burden of proof is on me,



the burden of proof is equally on Con,



I argue Slenderman is real based on probability,



you can't disprove slenderman exists,



He could be all around us and be invisible,



He could be a Tulpa we created,



He could be a Jinn,



although atheists like to say without evidence we can't accept the existence of something,



I say atheism is nonsensical,



just because you can't see something doesn't automatically mean it doesn't exist,



and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,



but we have probability on our side,



there must be a world out there where slenderman or jinn exist,



so therefore slenderman exists,



tell me how do you know there is no slenderman anywhere in existence,



I on the other hand know slenderman exists because of probability,



it is way more likely that he exists in some place of existence rather then not existing at all,



anything Allah wills can exist,



the only thing that is not possible is that there is another god,



this can't be possible because then we would have a chaos and not a cosmos,



There must be only ONE GOD/Creator,



but there can be other creations,



since Allah is all powerful and can create anything He wants, ameen



and Allah is also lord of all the WORLDS/Multiverse, ameen



so this proves the Quran mentions parallel universes 1400 years ago, ameen



so how did the Quran know about parallel universes and the Big Bang?



this proves it is the word of God,



since it mentions Jinn exist, therefore they do,



and since Jinn exist, they can easily disguise themselves as Slenderman



therefore Slenderman exists, ameen Report this Argument Ok first of all I know the original slenderman was a hoax,but have you ever heard of a tulpa?It is when our thoughts become physically real,the concept behind this is that the universe is an illusion created by our mind,we see the world only because we believe in it,but if we strongly believe in slenderman then it can become physically real just as the rest of the universe,because this whole world is a dream, this argument goes,but this is not my theory or argument,my argument is that Slenderman is a Jinn,and the Jinn were aware of what was going on that forum,see we all have our own personal Jinn called a Qarin or devil or Satan or Shaytanthis Qarin devil whispers bad thoughts into our head,it is highly possible that the Qarin inspired the person to make the Slenderman on his forumthis is probably how the Jinn knew about slenderman,and then the Jinn shapeshifted into slenderman and appeared to those people on Coast to Coast amso the real argument is do Jinn exist,you see the Slenderman is a byproduct of the Jinn phenomenon,so the real question I am asking is do Jinn exist,and they do,The Quran mentions themThe Quran was right about the Big Bang (21:30)so it must be right about Jinn,this is my central argument,The Quran was right about the Big Bang, so it must be right about Jinn,since Jinn can shapeshift into almost anything,they can assume the form of slenderman too,therefore slenderman exists,so please Con answer this question first,How did the Prophet Muhammad saw know about the Big Bang 1400 years ago?and second of allI pointed out that most of the universe is invisible,now there are an infinite number of worlds in our universe and other universes,so what does probability state,that there must be life on those other worlds,could there not be being on other worlds that resemble slenderman or jinn?I would argue yes,so although the burden of proof is on me,the burden of proof is equally on Con,I argue Slenderman is real based on probability,you can't disprove slenderman exists,He could be all around us and be invisible,He could be a Tulpa we created,He could be a Jinn,although atheists like to say without evidence we can't accept the existence of something,I say atheism is nonsensical,just because you can't see something doesn't automatically mean it doesn't exist,and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,but we have probability on our side,there must be a world out there where slenderman or jinn exist,so therefore slenderman exists,tell me how do you know there is no slenderman anywhere in existence,I on the other hand know slenderman exists because of probability,it is way more likely that he exists in some place of existence rather then not existing at all,anything Allah wills can exist,the only thing that is not possible is that there is another god,this can't be possible because then we would have a chaos and not a cosmos,There must be only ONE GOD/Creator,but there can be other creations,since Allah is all powerful and can create anything He wants, ameenand Allah is also lord of all the WORLDS/Multiverse, ameenso this proves the Quran mentions parallel universes 1400 years ago, ameenso how did the Quran know about parallel universes and the Big Bang?this proves it is the word of God,since it mentions Jinn exist, therefore they do,and since Jinn exist, they can easily disguise themselves as Slendermantherefore Slenderman exists, ameen Con



Now another jab I would have to take at you is that you do not seem to be making any actual arguments. You simply say "I THINK slenderman is a Jinn" without listing any valid reasons. Now you are further trying to make a point about this "Coast to Coast" video. Unfortunately it is completely unreliable. This is a youtube video of a slideshow containing the original photo and a couple of deviantart photos, with subtitles and a voiceover. The other videos on this person's channel is video game clips completely unrelated. If you take the time to make another search on youtube, you can find hundreds of similar fabricated videos. Now you might think most of them are real but if these things were real events, there would be actual news reports and real footage on MULTIPLE occasions, which there are not. You may believe whatever you like, but the source you presented is not credible.



I have researched Cryptozoology in the past and it involves a lot of paranormal or unidentifiable creatures. This includes the loch ness monster, big foot and the chupacabra. It is likely that none of them are real and most of the evidence of them was fabricated, however you should be aware that those cases actually have a large number of sightings and more legitimate, higher quality footage.



Now you are asking if Jinn exist. First let us pretend that they do. Lets also pretend that Islam is correct. Nothing that is said about Jinn in the religion matches Slenderman. From what I know about them is that they are able to take form of certain animals like snakes or cats that are visible to humans. However no evidence suggests they can look like faceless 8 foot tall men with expensive formal suits. Not only that but the suggested behavior of Slenderman does not match Jinn's either. I have not heard of them being unable to move while being looked at. Slenderman stays still when he is looked at, unable to move. Transporting himself only when he is unseen. However looking at him is also what triggers his "attack".



Now you are making an argument that the Quran is right about the Big Bang. Unfortunately you are only posting the number of the verse without the actual source. You are also making an assumption and passing it off as true.

Now I will give you an advantage again. Let us pretend that it indeed was right. What you are committing is the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. Out of the whole big book you see one correct thing and assume everything else is correct. Remember, this is assuming your first statement is correct. That is a lot of assuming isn't it? Your central argument is rather weak, since you make a claim and quickly move on from it without backing any of it in any way.

You ask me how the Prophet knew about the Big Bang, however the burden of proof lies on you. You are making the claim that he did know about it, therefore you need to present proof of your claim. It is unnecessary for me to provide evidence for something that is not presented by me.



Next you talk about infinite number of worlds. This is moving away from the discussion, so there is no point in going in that direction. You say I can't disprove that slenderman exists. While that is true, my job is not to do that. Your job is to prove that he does, which you are not doing and I must argue against your own claims. At this point you are simply talking about probability and again making assumptions with "He could......". This again contradicts the "arguments" you have made.



I agree that just because you can't see something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it doesn't mean that it does either. But I never said that "Its not real because you never saw it" so I do not see a point in making this claim. The absence of evidence results in no correct answer, not evidence of absence. Therefore with the absence of evidence you are assuming an answer.



Again, this is not a debate about your religion, so please try not to preach about anything. You only make more irrelevant claims and assumptions.



Sorry for my poor formatting Report this Argument Okay, so first off you should completely cross out either the first or second half of your argument since they completely contradict each other. If you want to argue for "tulpa" then go ahead, if you want to make it about Jinns then go ahead, but there is no point in listing both because they contradict each other.Now another jab I would have to take at you is that you do not seem to be making any actual arguments. You simply say "I THINK slenderman is a Jinn" without listing any valid reasons. Now you are further trying to make a point about this "Coast to Coast" video. Unfortunately it is completely unreliable. This is a youtube video of a slideshow containing the original photo and a couple of deviantart photos, with subtitles and a voiceover. The other videos on this person's channel is video game clips completely unrelated. If you take the time to make another search on youtube, you can find hundreds of similar fabricated videos. Now you might think most of them are real but if these things were real events, there would be actual news reports and real footage on MULTIPLE occasions, which there are not. You may believe whatever you like, but the source you presented is not credible.I have researched Cryptozoology in the past and it involves a lot of paranormal or unidentifiable creatures. This includes the loch ness monster, big foot and the chupacabra. It is likely that none of them are real and most of the evidence of them was fabricated, however you should be aware that those cases actually have a large number of sightings and more legitimate, higher quality footage.Now you are asking if Jinn exist. First let us pretend that they do. Lets also pretend that Islam is correct. Nothing that is said about Jinn in the religion matches Slenderman. From what I know about them is that they are able to take form of certain animals like snakes or cats that are visible to humans. However no evidence suggests they can look like faceless 8 foot tall men with expensive formal suits. Not only that but the suggested behavior of Slenderman does not match Jinn's either. I have not heard of them being unable to move while being looked at. Slenderman stays still when he is looked at, unable to move. Transporting himself only when he is unseen. However looking at him is also what triggers his "attack".Now you are making an argument that the Quran is right about the Big Bang. Unfortunately you are only posting the number of the verse without the actual source. You are also making an assumption and passing it off as true.Now I will give you an advantage again. Let us pretend that it indeed was right. What you are committing is the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. Out of the whole big book you see one correct thing and assume everything else is correct. Remember, this is assuming your first statement is correct. That is a lot of assuming isn't it? Your central argument is rather weak, since you make a claim and quickly move on from it without backing any of it in any way.You ask me how the Prophet knew about the Big Bang, however the burden of proof lies on you. You are making the claim that he did know about it, therefore you need to present proof of your claim. It is unnecessary for me to provide evidence for something that is not presented by me.Next you talk about infinite number of worlds. This is moving away from the discussion, so there is no point in going in that direction. You say I can't disprove that slenderman exists. While that is true, my job is not to do that. Your job is to prove that he does, which you are not doing and I must argue against your own claims. At this point you are simply talking about probability and again making assumptions with "He could......". This again contradicts the "arguments" you have made.I agree that just because you can't see something it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. But it doesn't mean that it does either. But I never said that "Its not real because you never saw it" so I do not see a point in making this claim. The absence of evidence results in no correct answer, not evidence of absence. Therefore with the absence of evidence you are assuming an answer.Again, this is not a debate about your religion, so please try not to preach about anything. You only make more irrelevant claims and assumptions.Sorry for my poor formatting