@adf86 I see Death Stranding as 2025, maybe 2027. Kojima is nuts. Remember the BG&E2 trailer way back in 2008? That's how I view DS. It will become like Half Life 3 in Legend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkCXE1l5MVI

Personally I'm still waiting on Dreams, that they showed off at the PS4 unveiling 4 1/2 years ago. Named it a couple of years later, mostly quiet since then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31B9SVug1LQ

I'm sticking with my 2019 guess. A lot of PS4 games in 2018 so I think that's out despite some people going that route. I'd probably be on board with 2018 if PS4 Pro were simply PS4 Slim or Slimmer, but the Pro needs more time to come down in price and replace PS4 as the base model. I think that can happen by year end holiday 2019.

Any other games in 2019 can come out in the first half. Sony tends to like it's first party games in spring anyway, leaving holiday for the multiplats. And with X1X and Pro now both around for holiday 2017, that gives them this year and next to make in roads into 4k. I think by holiday 2019 companies liek EA and ACtivision will want to push software farther into 4k, more bells and whistles. Those companies are sued to making 2 games at once, PS3/X360 and PS4/ X1. Next year will be the last for PS3 and X360, 2019 will be PS4/X1 and PS5. I think MS will fall a year behind as they scramble after X1X crashes and burns. Even if it doesn't they'll want to give it time. Sony has more reason for PS5 as even Pro can't fully compete with X1X.

Plus, Sony seemed really big on PSVR on Monday. Really big. By 2019 they'll want PS5 to power PSVR 2 w/ better screen resolution.

I could be wrong, but that's the way it all plays out in my head. Lots of moving parts. Even Switch's potential success could come into play, but I think that will affect PS6 more than PS5. PS5 is probably already under way, Sony looking for another $400 console that's basically just an upgrade of PS4 - more power, more HDD space, native 4k for every game.