Quote: zblimp Originally Posted by i think it is a good idea to have a server blackout at the end of the month to force this issue.



1 thing i would just say is i dont know how much of the blame goes towards treyarch as opposed to activision.



Quote: looking through all the vehicle models you can tell that treyarch had alot stuff they wanted to have in the game including a gametype that focussed on the vehicles and you can tell they were forced to stop and drop what they were doing.



Quote: i think activision deserves most of the blame. activision always seems to give treyarch the shaft as a filler in between Infinitywards cod titles. activision seems to try to just get another cod title out using treyarch as cheaply as possible keeping treyarch as a mistreated stepchild.



So much so, that now, they'll be embarrassed to put Treyarch on their resumes in the future. As for Treyarch being used as fodder for IW, if such was/is the case, then the people at Treyarch should all walk before they have no reputation left at all.



Quote: and when talking about JD and his poor communication along with the rest of the treyarchs lack of communication. what are they supposed to say? i bet they were upset having to release the game in the state it was and being forced to drop things they were working on for the game along with having the proper bug testing and fixing. but treyarch cant come out and say that about activision, that would make activision look bad.



so for treyarchs lack of communication i dont know what they are really supposed to say thats probably why they have been so quiet until recently. THE TRUTH! Misleading statements from both Activision/Treyarch will not be easily forgotten or overlooked. As it stands now, anything coming from Treyarch and/or JD is taken with a grain of salt because people are tired of being fed a line of bullshit. Also, the Nuremberg Defense does not and will not fit in this situation. Both Treyarch and JD will be held responsible for what they have done. Consumer Abuse is a serious offense these days.



Quote: we had patches every few of weeks with the release of cod4 probably just like tally says because IW had alot more funding from activision for patching. treyarch might be able to do 1 more patch after 1.2. so they really have to get it right.



but no doubt we pc users got the shaft.



Forget the dollars involved, we are talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation. The money would be no problem if they cared to support the product properly. They could very easily have forwarded at least two smaller patches already. They just have a shitbird policy in place that is going to bury both them and the game. Now that the situation is confrontational, they'll go stubborn and screw themselves and the game's potential by purposely not releasing on or before January 31, 2009.



Quote: so anyways i personally am very frustrated with the whole state of the game and how it was released. but i would say the majority of the blame belongs to activision and not treyarch.



a COD W@W blackout is the right and practical thing to do to force this issue but i hope people remember activision is probably alot more to blame than treyarch IMHO.



Quote: let the black out begin.... They BOTH share the blame for this fiasco equally for both the serious problems in WaW and lousy Consumer Support policies.Correct, Treyarch appears to have been forced to release a substandard game by Activision's Marketing Group.Not so sure about that.... I believe that the people at Treyarch who went along with this travesty solely for the money lost all self respect and realization of the true principles of their profession.So much so, that now, they'll be embarrassed to put Treyarch on their resumes in the future. As for Treyarch being used as fodder for IW, if such was/is the case, then the people at Treyarch should all walk before they have no reputation left at all.What were/are they supposed to say?? Simple:! Misleading statements from both Activision/Treyarch will not be easily forgotten or overlooked. As it stands now, anything coming from Treyarch and/or JD is taken with a grain of salt because people are tired of being fed a line of bullshit. Also, the Nuremberg Defense does not and will not fit in this situation. Both Treyarch and JD will be held responsible for what they have done. Consumer Abuse is a serious offense these days.Actually you are 100% correct, we did have patches every few weeks from IW. As a result, that FACT alone tears to shreds the Bullshit 8-10 weeks for a single patch that JD tried to push on us. Don't forget the swift release of Patch 1.1 the now infamous Day *0* patch. That patch "miraculously appeared" in no time at all. The 8-10 week JD scenario is pure Bullshit. They proved that themselves by their own performance.Forget the dollars involved, we are talking about a multi-billion dollar corporation. The money would be no problem if they cared to support the product properly. They could very easily have forwarded at least two smaller patches already. They just have a shitbird policy in place that is going to bury both them and the game. Now that the situation is confrontational, they'll go stubborn and screw themselves and the game's potential by purposely not releasing on or before January 31, 2009.Both Activision and Treyarch share the blame equally.It shall if they miss the January 31, 2009 deadline.



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