EightEthans Profile Joined November 2017 5 Posts #1





"Hello Theif"





"Disapponment"





"Taiwan #1", it feels like if you talk with a Spanish and say "Catalan #1".



For BaseTradeTV, they said, SCBoys are the official commentators and streamer who have their own voice as announcers in the game. They are certified by Blizzard, but what's disappointment is they did pirate streaming. And they will talk with Blizzard about this.



And they also said, BaseTradeTV only streaming their own tournament, if other streamers want to rebroadcast their channel, they gonna pay 200 dollars per game. And they denied that they have cooperated with SCBoys(Kun Fu Cup).



But in fact, they have uploaded the videos of they casting KunFu Cup.





Afterwards, Xiaose (member of SCBoys) directly communicates with BaseTradeTV, and saying about if BaseTradeTV is really caring about this, they will stop broadcast OlimoLeague. Furthermore, SCboy will invest a weekly tournament with 2500RMB prize pool and also the monthly tournament with 10,000 USDollars prize pool.



From my perspective, I feel like it's such unfortunate. I've lived in China for 4 years and I can understand why SCboys won't ask for an in-game observer slot. It's too laggy and may affect both players. When I was in China, I can hardly play any oversea games. So that's why they rebroadcasting or "pirating" other streamers. The reason I put the quote marks on pirating because most of the time they have permission to stream. Or it has verbal agreements. Just like this time, CranK is freely casting KunFu Cup and Master's Coliseum. So they might assume that they can also freely streaming OlimLeauge.



And for BaseTradeTV, I can understand that their own streaming has been pirating and they feel angry about it. SCBoys pirated their stream is unappreciated. But what they did is not professional. They mocked, shamed all the Chinese people. And put a Chinese slogan on the screen could be an act of racist. My father was a Chinese and he was the best man I ever met. I am kinda hurt when I see these Chinese characters on their streaming. Maybe next time, try to communicate with another streamer first? or just put a gentle reminder in English on your screen? They can read about it.



Sorry for my English if I made any mistake, English is not my mother language nor the second. But I am learning it, and I am just trying to write in English. Correct me if I have some incorrect grammar. BaseTradeTV was streaming OlimoLeague on twitch yesterday and suddenly they put some Chinese words on the screen, and it says, "Hello Theif", "Disappointment". And in the twitch comments, BASETRADETV write:"Taiwan #1". It's happened because someone told them about SCboys were restream their channel without their permission. And there was 220,000 viewer on DouyuTv(Chinese Streaming site)."Hello Theif""Disapponment""Taiwan #1", it feels like if you talk with a Spanish and say "Catalan #1".For BaseTradeTV, they said, SCBoys are the official commentators and streamer who have their own voice as announcers in the game. They are certified by Blizzard, but what's disappointment is they did pirate streaming. And they will talk with Blizzard about this.And they also said, BaseTradeTV only streaming their own tournament, if other streamers want to rebroadcast their channel, they gonna pay 200 dollars per game. And they denied that they have cooperated with SCBoys(Kun Fu Cup).But in fact, they have uploaded the videos of they casting KunFu Cup.Afterwards, Xiaose (member of SCBoys) directly communicates with BaseTradeTV, and saying about if BaseTradeTV is really caring about this, they will stop broadcast OlimoLeague. Furthermore, SCboy will invest a weekly tournament with 2500RMB prize pool and also the monthly tournament with 10,000 USDollars prize pool.From my perspective, I feel like it's such unfortunate. I've lived in China for 4 years and I can understand why SCboys won't ask for an in-game observer slot. It's too laggy and may affect both players. When I was in China, I can hardly play any oversea games. So that's why they rebroadcasting or "pirating" other streamers. The reason I put the quote marks on pirating because most of the time they have permission to stream. Or it has verbal agreements. Just like this time, CranK is freely casting KunFu Cup and Master's Coliseum. So they might assume that they can also freely streaming OlimLeauge.And for BaseTradeTV, I can understand that their own streaming has been pirating and they feel angry about it. SCBoys pirated their stream is unappreciated. But what they did is not professional. They mocked, shamed all the Chinese people. And put a Chinese slogan on the screen could be an act of racist. My father was a Chinese and he was the best man I ever met. I am kinda hurt when I see these Chinese characters on their streaming. Maybe next time, try to communicate with another streamer first? or just put a gentle reminder in English on your screen? They can read about it.Sorry for my English if I made any mistake, English is not my mother language nor the second. But I am learning it, and I am just trying to write in English. Correct me if I have some incorrect grammar.

Powerfoe Profile Joined April 2011 Canada 167 Posts #2 Absolutely unacceptable behaviour by Rifkin here. Instead of trying to deal with this in a professional manner he resorted to public shaming and negativity towards an entire country. This is the type of attitude that needs to be removed from the scene. NOW YOU SEE?

ZigguratOfUr Profile Blog Joined April 2012 Iraq 16046 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-15 19:06:48 #3



The entire matter was extremely unprofessional from BaseTrade certainly (though it's definitely not an act of racism as you claim), but either way I thought this matter was settled going forward: On November 15 2017 01:08 digmouse wrote:

EDIT: it has been sorted out on good terms, scboy will now have permission to restream basetrade's content as long as BTTV's brand exposure is not affected.



I have talked to both sides of the story and relayed a apology message from xiaose to Rifkin. Hope things get sorted out quickly.

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AbouSV Profile Joined October 2014 Germany 1213 Posts #4



On November 16 2017 04:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:

The entire matter was extremely unprofessional from BaseTrade certainly (though it's definitely not an act of racism as you claim), but either way I thought this matter was settled going forward:



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On November 15 2017 01:08 digmouse wrote:

EDIT: it has been sorted out on good terms, scboy will now have permission to restream basetrade's content as long as BTTV's brand exposure is not affected.



I have talked to both sides of the story and relayed a apology message from xiaose to Rifkin. Hope things get sorted out quickly.

The entire matter was extremely unprofessional from BaseTrade certainly (though it's definitely not an act of racism as you claim), but either way I thought this matter was settled going forward:

Also, I am not sure the apology should be only this way. Not very surprising behaviour from Rifkin.Also, I am not sure the apology should be only this way.

Ctone23 Profile Blog Joined December 2012 United States 1819 Posts #5 wow, im so shocked rifkin lashed out at someone /s Gauntlet Esports

JimmyJRaynor Profile Blog Joined April 2010 Canada 14070 Posts #6 On November 16 2017 04:19 Ctone23 wrote:

wow, im so shocked rifkin lashed out at someone /s

you loud-mouth, rude americans are always trashing canadians. rifkin is polite, professional, loyal and upstanding.... a beacon of integrity in the murky world of esports.

you loud-mouth, rude americans are always trashing canadians. rifkin is polite, professional, loyal and upstanding.... a beacon of integrity in the murky world of esports. Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"

yaxv Profile Joined November 2011 Denmark 50 Posts #7 I don't get it. Did they piratestream or not? If so, is that an acceptable behavior?

Ctone23 Profile Blog Joined December 2012 United States 1819 Posts #8 On November 16 2017 04:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

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On November 16 2017 04:19 Ctone23 wrote:

wow, im so shocked rifkin lashed out at someone /s

you loud-mouth, rude americans are always trashing canadians. rifkin is polite, professional, loyal and upstanding.... a beacon of integrity in the murky world of esports.

you loud-mouth, rude americans are always trashing canadians. rifkin is polite, professional, loyal and upstanding.... a beacon of integrity in the murky world of esports.

yeah, because thats exactly what I did there



yeah, because thats exactly what I did there Gauntlet Esports

FrkFrJss Profile Joined April 2015 Canada 1188 Posts #9 On November 16 2017 04:46 yaxv wrote:

I don't get it. Did they piratestream or not? If so, is that an acceptable behavior?



Given that there was an apology relayed and permission granted to restream....I'm guessing no.



It's not right to act in that way towards a Chinese streamer without first talking it over, but if the restream was not done in the first place, then they wouldn't have seen those words. If there's no pirated stream, then there's no need to write those words.



Again, not professional, but for once they were not instigating the action, and I do think that if you have to restream, you should get permission first because that means you are drawing off potential subs and followers.



Basically, restream without permission is like taking someone's YouTube video and putting it as your own. Even if you credit the original, you are still drawing off potential viewers and thus potential money.



Given that there was an apology relayed and permission granted to restream....I'm guessing no.It's not right to act in that way towards a Chinese streamer without first talking it over, but if the restream was not done in the first place, then they wouldn't have seen those words. If there's no pirated stream, then there's no need to write those words.Again, not professional, but for once they were not instigating the action, and I do think that if you have to restream, you should get permission first because that means you are drawing off potential subs and followers.Basically, restream without permission is like taking someone's YouTube video and putting it as your own. Even if you credit the original, you are still drawing off potential viewers and thus potential money. "Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney

Psychobabas Profile Blog Joined March 2006 United Kingdom 2530 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-15 20:00:00 #10 And I am shocked and appalled that the bananas I bought yesterday have already turned a bit black.



PS: So what https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzlsFfIahY

whiteegger Profile Joined November 2017 2 Posts #11 If someone triggers you it doesn't mean you have to mock them infront of thousands of viewers imo. It's just another crime.

ninazerg Profile Blog Joined October 2009 United States 7264 Posts #12 Whenever I steal something from someone, and they insult me, I feel deeply hurt and offended. "If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky

Clonester Profile Joined August 2014 Germany 2808 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-15 20:22:07 #13 His words are not racist nor angry, hello chief and disappointment ist pretty nice for someone that steals from you.



Still, you pirate a stream, you have to deal with the shit they put up on their screen. And if you pirate an american stream, you have to deal with the direct way of talking and shaming, that might be unacceptable in the east, but what you get in the west. Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii

digmouse Profile Blog Joined November 2010 China 5661 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-15 20:25:39 #14 The parties involved already solved the problem and moved on. It is a misunderstanding at most. Translator If you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.

xTJx Profile Joined May 2014 Brazil 419 Posts #15 RIP Rifkin, SJW won't leave him alone now. No prejudices, i hate everyone equally.

KR_4EVR Profile Joined July 2017 316 Posts #16 Simple solution. Have default xeno-bashing comments written in 15 languages across the default stream, plus a decoder to remove them only available in the main twitch stream or for purchase.



You know, I also got super mad when it turned out the rich lady whose diamond I was stealing wasn't afraid to use her AK47.



Life's unfair; people are by default obnoxious; don't take offence.



Of course BTTV would have been amazing if they didn't retaliate. But it's up to you whether you watch their stream or not. The demands of the consumer are not met by controlling the product but by variety of availabile choice.



No viewer, however offended, has the right to demand the streamer change something. No. You have one and only one right: to pick which channel you watch.



For official streams, of course, it's a different matter. Which is why when observers type comments concerning the chromosomal dysfunction of a participant at WCS, they lose their jobs. Again, though, it's not the crowd who mobs them into doing something better.



This generation needs to have a lot less of an entitled attitude when it comes to free stuff. Et tu Brute ?

EightEthans Profile Joined November 2017 5 Posts #17 On November 16 2017 05:08 ninazerg wrote:

Whenever I steal something from someone, and they insult me, I feel deeply hurt and offended.



But I am not the one who did the pirate. I am just the viewer. But I am not the one who did the pirate. I am just the viewer.

Dangermousecatdog Profile Joined December 2010 United Kingdom 6251 Posts Last Edited: 2017-11-15 20:40:01 #18 On November 16 2017 03:55 EightEthans wrote:

"Taiwan #1", it feels like if you talk with a Spanish and say "Catalan #1".... They mocked, shamed all the Chinese people. No. No.

EightEthans Profile Joined November 2017 5 Posts #19 On November 16 2017 04:53 FrkFrJss wrote:

Show nested quote +

On November 16 2017 04:46 yaxv wrote:

I don't get it. Did they piratestream or not? If so, is that an acceptable behavior?



Given that there was an apology relayed and permission granted to restream....I'm guessing no.



It's not right to act in that way towards a Chinese streamer without first talking it over, but if the restream was not done in the first place, then they wouldn't have seen those words. If there's no pirated stream, then there's no need to write those words.



Again, not professional, but for once they were not instigating the action, and I do think that if you have to restream, you should get permission first because that means you are drawing off potential subs and followers.



Basically, restream without permission is like taking someone's YouTube video and putting it as your own. Even if you credit the original, you are still drawing off potential viewers and thus potential money.



Given that there was an apology relayed and permission granted to restream....I'm guessing no.It's not right to act in that way towards a Chinese streamer without first talking it over, but if the restream was not done in the first place, then they wouldn't have seen those words. If there's no pirated stream, then there's no need to write those words.Again, not professional, but for once they were not instigating the action, and I do think that if you have to restream, you should get permission first because that means you are drawing off potential subs and followers.Basically, restream without permission is like taking someone's YouTube video and putting it as your own. Even if you credit the original, you are still drawing off potential viewers and thus potential money.



I understand what you are claim here and I agree most of that. But for potential part, I think the affect is minium. We always have so many different channel to stream the same thing, and the reason to do that is languages, different kind of languages. I doubt most of the Chinese viewer will become their potential subs and followers, but there might be some just like me, who is multilingual and have no trouble to watch them all.



In fact, the credits of a tournment like this is complicated. The owner of OlimoLeague is Olimo. I think they have some agreement with that. And in SCBoys's stream only have the graphics, there is no sound or any comment from their channel. But the most of the credits from TBTV is comments(Because observer is the same). So I doubt if SCBoy really stealing something big, maybe the only thing they stealed is the resources to stream. But I agree with you that they should first get a permisson to do the restream. I understand what you are claim here and I agree most of that. But for potential part, I think the affect is minium. We always have so many different channel to stream the same thing, and the reason to do that is languages, different kind of languages. I doubt most of the Chinese viewer will become their potential subs and followers, but there might be some just like me, who is multilingual and have no trouble to watch them all.In fact, the credits of a tournment like this is complicated. The owner of OlimoLeague is Olimo. I think they have some agreement with that. And in SCBoys's stream only have the graphics, there is no sound or any comment from their channel. But the most of the credits from TBTV is comments(Because observer is the same). So I doubt if SCBoy really stealing something big, maybe the only thing they stealed is the resources to stream. But I agree with you that they should first get a permisson to do the restream.

ThunderJunk Profile Joined December 2015 United States 440 Posts #20 Honestly, while I understand the need to protect streams from pirates that monetize other people's content, it's nearly impossible to break into the Starcraft casting scene in any meaningful way without doing just that. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.

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