This video contains spoilers for season two of Hannibal.

Ever wonder how the minds behind Hannibal come up with each week’s beautiful yet disturbing situations? Like on many TV shows, it’s just a bunch of (mostly) dudes, sitting in a room, writing on white boards. So many white boards. In this clip from the Hannibal season-two DVD (out this week) behind-the-scenes documentary This Is My Design, showrunner Bryan Fuller and producer Martha De Laurentiis talk about episode five, “Mukozuke,” in which a major character dies.