racefortheironthrone asked me what I think of all the new “Lannisters-As-Secret-Targs” discussion. I’m going to address the Jaime and Cersei part of the theory right now, and I will hopefully get a chance to talk about the Tyrion “Targaryen” fisaco after work today.

The World Book disproves the theory that Cersei & Jaime are Secret Targs. It’s not physically possible.

The theory “Jaime and Cersei are Secret Targs” was based on the idea that Cersei and Jaime were conceived when Aerys allegedly raped Joanna while taking “liberties” at the bedding on Tywin and Joanna’s wedding night in 263 AC.

We don’t know specifically what “liberties” meant, but nobodysuspectsthebutterfly gives a very good analysis here (click the link). I do not believe that “liberties” was rape; Tywin would not have continued to serve under Aerys if Aerys had raped Joanna, the love of Tywin’s life. Tywin and Aerys still had a shred of friendship after liberties:

The court returned to King’s Landing in 268 AC, and governance resumed as before … but it was plain to all that the friendship between the king and his Hand was fraying.

Tywin would not have continued to be friends with Aerys in order for the friendship to “fray” if Aerys had raped Joanna prior to 268 AC.

But even if Aerys HAD raped Joanna while taking “liberties” in 263, it’s not physically possible for Jaime and Cersei to have been conceived on Tywin’s wedding night in 263. Jaime and Cersei were born in 266 AC at Casterly Rock. Joanna was not at court; she had been dismissed immediately after “liberties” because Rhaella thought of her as a “whore” and victim-blamed her. (Click here for relevant quotes.) Joanna was not in contact with Aerys again until they moved the court to Casterly Rock for a year in 267 AC, which was after Jaime and Cersei were born.

Human beings do not have a gestation period of 3 years. Aerys is not the father.

Jaime and Cersei are not Secret Targaryens.