Was this your first time working with a choreographer on a project? I actually just worked with Ryan Heffington on a video for Chet Faker a couple months ago. I’ve worked with choreographers here and there but I’ve been doing it a little more recently. Part of it is that I can’t dance and I’m living vicariously through the dancers.

Do you look at something like “Never Catch Me” as a short film, or is it still a music video? I look at it as a music video. There is a story there, but I really like music videos—they can be so many different things. Some people draw a line between music videos and short films, looking down on music videos as a format, but there’s so much potential in music videos.

Watching all your videos, you do have this current where the supernatural or magic is part of every day life. Is that a subject you’ve wanted to explore or does it just come naturally through your ideas? I don’t consciously think it’s something I’m interested in putting in videos, it’s just like daydreaming—the idea of something supernatural happening in the context of something really mundane. I have a fixation with dreams. Dreams have that quality where when you’re in it, you completely buy the reality of it and the textures feel like real life, but then they’ll be one thing or a circumstance where it removes you from it being real. That feeling of wavering between reality and supernatural has always been really interesting to me.



Have you taken things directly from your dreams and put them into videos? I think so. I’m one of those people who keep a dream journal. I don’t really remember specifically, but I’m sure there have been times where they’ve naturally ended up in a video or two.

When you were coming up with the concept for “Never Catch Me,” were you thinking about how to differentiate it from the Kendrick Lamar video for "Bitch Don’t Kill My Vibe,” which also features a funeral in a big church? To be honest, it wasn’t really on my mind. If anything, I was conscious of FlyLo’s last video for Until the Quiet Comes, which was one of my favorite videos that came out that year. I really didn’t want to do FlyLo an injustice by making a shitty video, and also that video has a component of death and dance, so we didn’t want to cover the same terrain or territory. That video was definitely more on my mind when making this video than the Kendrick video.