Jacob Rees-Mogg got into a heated discussion with literary critic AN Wilson on Radio 4's Today programme and listeners are bemused by the whole thing.

The segment was to discuss Rees-Mogg's book The Victorians: Twelve Titals Who Forged Britain. In a previous review Wilson threw what is perhaps the most middle-class shade of all time, calling it "staggeringly silly".

Rees-Mogg didn't do himself any favours, opening the discussion by admitting that the only thing that had worse reviews than his book was Theresa May's speech last night. Nervous laughter ensued.

For the subsequent seven minutes, Rees-Mogg and Wilson proceed to have what many consider to be the most obscure argument of all time, unintelligible to anyone other than historians.

According to the BBC, the discussion is about whether General Napier, who led the conquest of Sindh in the 1840s, was a cruel coloniser or a forward-thinking patriot. Nope, us neither.