neliz Both cards running at the same clocks?

I had to overclock the reference 6870 to match the TwinFrozr. Voltages are the same as well. This is with same fan speeds and everything. At idle the TwinFrozr is cooler but under load the reference card pulls away like a champ.Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing MSI. Both of my 6870s are from MSI. I just don't believe that the TwinFrozrII (I have to correct myself, maybe the 3 and 4 are better,) offers better cooling than reference under load. It may be quieter but for how much louder the reference card is, it moves that much more air and cools it that much better. Only when the fans are set absurdly low (and temps start climbing upwards of 75*C then the TwinFrozr will do better, but with the same exact fan profile, clocks, and voltage, forget it.Also the more you overclock it, the further the reference card pulls ahead. I think it has to do with how the reference card throws the air out the back.