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People underestimate DBZ way too much. Let's just say this is everyone at the end of the canonical series. If you don't think GT is canon, don't bother arguing. I don't care if you think Akira Toriyama didn't make it. He drew the SSJ4 art and he oversaw the whole production and apparently approved of it. GT is canon in my opinion if you don't like it too bad. OK, end of GT. Let's say this is Goku before absorbing the Dragon Balls, but right after beating Omega Shenron. At full power, in base as an adult, he would already rival the strongest fictional characters. He is pretty much a god at this point and his godly power can get multiplied up to 5,000 times over with SSJ4. The only ones who could oppose him at this point are: Elder God Demonbane, The Living Tribunal, The One Above All and maybe some very few other guys.

Now let's take the strongest non-hypothetical character in DB: SSJ4 Gogeta. He is two godly powers times 5,000 added together and then multiplied by 1,000. He is pretty much top 5 strongest now. Now for hypothetical but possible characters in universe. SSJ4 Vegito is the same as Gogeta but instead when added together their power are multiplied by 14,000. OMG at this point.

SSJ4 is not the strongest form. And no I don't mean SSJ5. Just wait.

Let's say Bulma made a cloning machine. She makes a clone of Goku and clone of Vegeta. They take the earring off of Kibito Kai and Old Kai so they now have two sets of Potara Earrings. Fuse one G and V: Gogeta Fuse other G and V with one set of earring: Vegito. Other set of earring fuse Gogeta and Vegito into Gogito.

Gogito in his base could give Living Tirbunal a run for his money because it's Gogeta and Vegito times 14,000. Now imagine...Old Kai...and Gogito. Old Kai does the ritual he did to Gohan...

MYSTIC GOGITO!! You'd think Gogito times 5,000 is omnipotent; SSJ4. Imagine Mystic. Already rivaling Tribunal and Elder God in his base. Then multipliy his power by 100,000 which is equal to Mystic Gogito.

That is all. If you have any ideas for someone who can beat him go ahead and say it. Reality warping and time bending and stuff...pffft. His sheer raw power far exceeds that of the Elder God Demonbane who could beat all the reality warpers easily. This power must give him omnipotent powers, such as warping reality and bending time. Oh and even if they could stop time and hit him or warp reality to pull his molecules apart. He is so invincible and powerful that he would be like what are you doing something? That tickles. Super Buu was able to rip holes in reality and he was 250,000 times weaker than SSJ4 Gogeta who is nothing to Gogito. Not to mention Super Buu was only at 50% when he ripped through the chamber

Go ahead and try to find someone who can even beat End of GT Base Goku. Then we can talk about who can beat Gogito aka no one. Supreme Booyah (talk) 09:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

lol

The multiplier for SSJ4 is 500, not 5000. Only canon material should be used for comparisons - Gogito is far-fetched and does not exist. Old Kai's ritual unlocks hidden power. As such, it would have little effect on the raw power of any fusion of Goku and Vegeta, since both fighters have already accessed their potentials through training and just continually increase it. Also.... Superman. Janemba4eva (talk) 17:38, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Well everyone has ideas for their multipliers and mine is SSJ4=5,000 times base power. I already stated that I consider GT to be canon, even this very wiki says that it could be either canon or non-canon and I choose canon.

As far as Mystic, I'm a little bit confused here. If Goku and Vegeta keep increasing their power, meaning there is more power withing them, doesn't a fusion of their fusions still have potential? Or you could simply unlock Goku and Vegeta's potential and then do the fusions, whether it's Gogeta, Vegito or Gogito (who I know is far-fetched though still possible) they will alll naturally be Mystic, since the two halves of them are Mystic as well.

I also said try to find someone who can even beat Goku, with Gogito as a last resort.

Oh, and Superman...I forgo how to put links but look up Why Goku is Stronger than Superman and the video that's first in line should be it. Don't just go and not watch it, it has everything I want to say, so it will save me a lot of time if you just watch the video. But to correct the guy on the video SSJ2 is 10x stronger than SSJ1 and SSJ3 is 3x stronger than SSJ2.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 19:49, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the multiplier is 500. And yes, I consider GT canon despite the fact that I hate the series. I was more referring to Gogito. As far as mystic goes... Gohan had tons of untapped energy which he could utilize only when angry. The ritual allowed him to access this power. He was not able to access this energy on his own because he barely trained. Vegeta and Goku trained constantly, so they have no more hidden energy left to unlock. Mystic Goku would perhaps be slightly stronger, if at all, than normal Goku. But I digress... comics are inconsistent due to having numerous different incarnations and authors, but I still maintain that some versions of Superman outclass GT Goku. Janemba4eva (talk) 19:43, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh if you were talking about Gogito lol sorry. Goku and Vegeta...every time there was a new saga everyone was like OMG, Goku and Vegeta are gods. Goku against Frieza was AMAZING at the time...turn outs he's weaker than Goten. My point is Goku and Vegeta have limits, but they broke them and they keep going higher. I do beleive they have a physical limit, but not by he end of GT. Mysitc Gohan...this may not be true, but I think Old Kai screwed up the ritual. You would think with all the power Gohan supposedly had, he would at least be able to beat Hirudegarn and Buutenks. Old Kai was reading comics (lol the irony) and sleeping while doing the ritual, maybe if he had actually been focusing, Gohan would've had more power. I don't see how Gohan could be THAT much weaker than his father.

Totally agreed that comics and actually most series are WAY too inconsistent, especially DC and Marvel. I'd have know what Superman you're talking about to compare him to Goku.

For the record, my multipliers are

SSJ: 50

SSJ2: 500

SSJ3: 1,500

SSJ4: 5,000

SSJ5 (if real): 10,000

Mystic: Possibly unlimited but around 100,000

FSSJ: 25

ASSJ: 100

USSJ: 150

LSSJ: 250

GA: 10

GGA: 800

Kaio-Ken: 1.5, 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 20 so on

SupremeBooyah (talk) 20:06, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Nope

Dr. Manhattan can kill every DB/Z/GT character just by thinking about it. Get over it. Tokeupdude (talk) 18:35, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, instead of just simply saying "DBZ is the best get over it" which was just the title, I actually explained how they could beat the others, not in huge detail but I did. You just said he can kill them get over it.

I'm not familar with Doctor Who, but I said didn't I? Mystic Gogito, however illogical he may seem, should be immune to supernatural powers and such due to his raw power. Characters shown already have occaassional demonstrations of being able to warp reality and do really amazing stuff that is beyond godlike. If Raditz was faster than light, even though it's impossible in our universe it isn't in theirs and GT Goku, heck even EOZ Goku is about 433,000,000 times more powerful. He could possibly be faster than time itself, meaning before Doctor Who could even think, he'd be dead.

And one last thing, why do you even like Doctor Who? Must be a reeeaaaaly boring series if he can just wish away all his problems...

SupremeBooyah (talk) 19:38, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Raditz does not actually move faster than light. Goku's instant transmission moves at light speed. And Dr. Manhattan is a god-level character from Watchmen. I suggest checking it out. Janemba4eva (talk) 19:49, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Piccolo's SBC is not made out of ordinary energy, it is different than most attacks. It would make sense that it is either very powerful light or energy with the speed properties of light. Either way, SBC is the speed of light and Raditz dodged it, making him FTL. Even if it isn't light speed, it is pure energy which should be moving very fast, so by Frieza Saga Goku should be much FTL.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 20:06, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

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First off, DBZ is my favorite series of all time. Just want to clarify that so you know I'm not playing favorites.

Superman of the DC comics is more powerful than any DB character. He can lift 200 quintillion tons with one hand, is fast enough to travel through time, and is invulnerable to every type of harm unless exposed to kryptonite (Although Superman Prime One-Million is immune to Kryptonite, but I don't even need to get into that). He makes Gogeta SS4 look like a punk with that type of power.

Dr. Manhattan is an intrinsic field(sp?). He is in complete control of anything that contains atoms. Since every DB character, even the dead and the gods, contain atoms, he automatically wins. He can turn them into snowflakes if he wanted to. He doesn't exist on the same plain of reality that we or the DB characters do, so he can't be killed. He doesn't exist like we do. He exists in a totally different dimension. It doesn't matter how boring he is, that's completely beside the point, he's more powerful than any DB character. All of your speculations are, well, speculations. From what we've actually been SHOWN from their respective series, DC would smash DB without question. To think otherwise is to purposely be stubborn.

It's not up for debate. I can tell from your posts that you've never even TOUCHED a DC comic. It begs the question of why you would even post this thing when you have no knowledge of American comics. I have knowledge of both universes. DB the most powerful universe? Don't make me laugh. If you reply with any kind of argument then you're an ignorant fool and I won't be a part of it. Tokeupdude (talk) 20:08, October 15, 2012 (UTC)





Come on the chat, bro. I wanna talk about this in real time. Tokeupdude (talk) 20:20, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I can't do chat right now, I can on here but not at the moment for chat.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 20:22, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Eh, it's whatever then. I'm done here. If this hasn't convinced you then you will definitely live forever thinking DB is the most powerful universe. There's no hope for you. Tokeupdude (talk) 20:24, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Like it really matters? Whatever, Doctor Who could beat Goku, but DBZ is up there in best universes. And if DBZ isn't the best? Then which universe is? Elder God Demonbane's? I still don't think superman could beat Goku. For the record, I was just joking about Doctor Who being boring I just find it very funny that he could get rid of his enemies so easily, whichwould take away the suspense

I surrender DBZ is not the best...but I know which one is

OK, Dbz is not #1 best universe, probably like #14 or something. But DC, Marvel, Elder God Demonbane and his universe, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagaan or whatever and all those are pathetic to the real #1. I'm not gonna tell you which one it is thoguh, 'cause then all you haters are gonna rage for me posting an off-topic subject. But just know, whatever universe you thikn is best isn't and I'm not being annoying I'm serious. No one will have ever heard of this series before anyway and it's not fanfic or anything it will be known to everyone soon.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 20:47, October 15, 2012 (UTC)





In conclusion, you are a disgrace to your kind; at least all of them will actually try to defend their point of view and don't go all, "Maybe I'm wrong, but I still know what's best, so I'm the smartest!" I highly suggest laying low for the next few months and changing your name so people don't remember you. Have a nice day, my child. --DARK 22:16, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

First off, what kind? I don't think I'm the smartest turns out he was right so I can't argue with him without him getting ticked off at me. So i'm gonna get hated on either way. i don't really care about who's the strongest fictional character I just like to see what other people's views are. There is no reason to do anything like change my name and lay low 0.o You have proven yourself to be nothing other than someone who overreacts to internet forums and tries (fails) to make people feel bad. lol thanks for amusing me with your attempt at trolling. And I will gladly have a nice day. Although what the heck 'my child?' ok then. Can no one act smart on this forum? The only person who hasn't gotten mad and stuff at me is Janemba4eva. SuperGogeta, the other guy and you. And you, so far out of all of them have said the most stuff taht makes no sense and overreacts. Congratulations. Typical Internet. And also I would've told you idiots what seires it was, but then you'd be all mad about off-tobic posting like I said. Janemba4eva isn't an idiot though at least he's actually a smart guy who doesn't get mad for no reason.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 22:50, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

You seem upset. Maybe if you typed in complete sentences with proper syntax, you wouldn't be so angry. --DARK 23:04, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not upset, I'm just fed up with this forum...already. Y'know what, you had no reason to antagonize me, so imma just ignore you, how's that? Good? Good. And forget about SuperGogeta, he's cool.

SupremeBooyah (talk) 23:09, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Calm down, toasty. No reason to get so angry. Where'd that pretentious attitude go? Shouldn't you be laughing because your opinion is so much better than ours? --DARK 23:11, October 15, 2012 (UTC)





I never intended to present a 'pretentious' attitude. You must not be looking at the title of this..."I surrender" I said, DBZ isn't the strongest universe. Your opinion is that I should be laughing because my opinion is so much better than yours, so are you laughing because that (sarcastic) opinion is so much better than mine? Who knows? Oh wait, didn't I say I was going to ignore you...fail (for me). I apparently cannot ignore people who think I'm have a Vegeta-style attitude. Anyway, I'm not angry, I didn't mea to have a pretentious attitude and my opinion is better in MY mind, just like your opinion is better in YOUR mind, is that not true?

SupremeBooyah (talk) 01:39, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

I think what we can gather from this thread is that I am basically awesome. Janemba4eva (talk) 00:14, October 16, 2012 (UTC)





Yup, awesome and modest too

SupremeBooyah (talk) 01:39, October 16, 2012 (UTC)

actually the only charecters that can destroy the dbz universe is the asuras wrath universe.

No. Both DBZ and Doctor Who and Dc and Marvel and whatever (too many ands I know) would crush that universe. I appreciate to support in DBZ's favor, saying that no other universe could beat it, but Asura's Wrath couldn't. Asura broke all of his arms trying to defeat that giant guy whereas Superman could've killed him easily. And Goku at the BOZ could'e easily killed him with a Kamehameha. I still think Mystic Gogito would be able to put up a fight against omnipotents and utterly destroy any non-all powerfuls. But like I said, Mystic Gogito is a mite to the being that is a speck of dust to the real most powerful character. (sorry if that's confusing) 65.170.223.237 00:07, November 7, 2012 (UTC)