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If you believe as Ireland does it all vehicles to be electric and all vehicles will be autonomous. I believe all car companies have to do it or they go out of business is almost by definition if you don't do this then you won't be in business . And so they should. And so you wish them well and you hope that then a whole fleet of different kinds of vehicles will come out whether it's vans shapes or to person VEHICLES BUS like things . No one company can do it all. Do you think Apple is really working on a self-driving car. Yeah I mean there's it's hard . How optimistic are you about an Apple car by the year 2020 too . Yeah Apple's thing is to try to do what somebody has already done already but do it better different. Do you think sometimes I do sometimes I don't get that watch is not really grabbing me or that Newton a few misses you say you're not a fan of the Apple Watch. No no Barry life for me. I have a lot of watches I actually wear them and I cannot fathom my personal use case . The charging issue. Do you think that Tesla should focus more on lower priced more mainstream electric cars. I mean the Model 3 which is supposed to cost thirty five thousand dollars but that's base price. I mean beyond the countries that it's a great question and that is their long term vision. You either have many many many billions of dollars to put into plant equipment to mass produce something on that scale or you do iterations you take a current Model S which is arguably a very expensive vehicle. If you factor in the total cost of ownership over five or seven years your fuel costs the maintenance costs that are so much lower your total cost of ownership is not that different from a high end Ford Taurus. So if you start with that next vehicles 35000 vehicle and you do that same analysis it might come out to be like a 7. Yeah you know and that to me starts to sound like a more mainstream vehicle. I know that you are like super fascinated with machine learning. What is your vision for how A.I. changes our lives. Let's say 5 years from now for the next five years and I believe a little more than five years but five ish years what we call a I will be these specialty ise things that are creepy or magical depending on your point of view in their ability to do something that we thought was somewhat human like drive a car let's say manage your schedule and figure out what we might want to do today . It'll creep into medical imaging analysis and diagnostics in the field of medicine. There'll be all these areas where recognizing a pattern pattern human behavior pattern and a picture pattern in the world around us traffic patterns resemble what you see things we didn't see once they pointed out like oh wow I can navigate more easily through this traffic or optimize my calendar in a way I just couldn't see before. And I think that will start to acclimate us to what we call a AI slowly as opposed to out of nowhere boom you know humanoid robots that are smarter than us and take our jobs. So how concerned are you about Google's ambitions and how concerned should scare you a little bit. Just because there's a bit of a reckless abandon that almost like a technical utopian flair with the occasional you know when pressed. Well case of course we'll be cautious but almost like this is the inevitable trajectory that you know technology is our future. We will make good pets for these ise in the future and you know life will be good. This little kitty treats and stuff and you know there's something almost like a Pollyanna ish or what could possibly go wrong. The ISE I worry about are the ones that may not ever know exist that are purely digital that are living off vast information feeds and operating in a way that we can't even fathom that ideally in their case may. We may not ever reject detect their existence. So how is your interest in A.I. and machine learning how is it playing out in your investment philosophy. I think the way we engineer things is changing from everything that we can think of as engineering to things that feel more like growing and iterating a solution very rapidly. What do you mean to say imagine. Much like a newborn baby that can learn anything you build literally like a brain in a box it is exposed to photos like Google's done and starts to recognize cats on the Internet. But that same program could have recognized anything on the Internet or it could have recognized speech or could be used to try to find tumors in mammograms or other pathology slides or radiology slides and so you have these generic learning machines and silicon that you now can apply to many different things and you don't actually know how it works when it's done just like we don't have a brain works we know how it got there but we don't know what it is. Could these computers someday take over the world well yeah but why because they become smarter than us. Yeah but to what end. I think the long line is a lot smarter. Yeah. But then that's when we make good pets. I mean like what they would do is we wouldn't know that we're pets. They would like oh one day we wake up and say oh my gosh. Figured out how to do a fusion reactor and like I think it was my idea right. Imagine a gap between us and our pets. Like my cat thinks it's hunting that little plane else with the cabinet right. It thinks it's the fierce hunter right. It's in a house right inside it could be somewhere we won't even know. And I think the long arc of human intelligence and cultural evolution is that we have less less violence over time. What evidence for that. Why would a more intelligent being use childish like kindergarten level. You know that's my toy. I want that thing as opposed to a much more sophisticated manipulation of us .