Former Major League Baseball All-Star and MLB Network talent Harold Reynolds joined me for a conversation. We focused on the Houston Astros and the MLB sign stealing scandal.

It was a fascinating interview.

(Listen to the full interview here.)

Said Reynolds: “It’s offensive to anybody who participated in baseball... it’s just flat out wrong."

On the Astros remarks in the early spring:

"The Houston Astros just botched it with their news conference... You wanted someone to get up there and tell you the truth. How did it happen? How did it come about? All they had to say is, ‘We crossed the line, we got caught up in winning and we did things with the signs that we should not have done.’ I think that would have done a whole lot. Instead, they weren’t honest. They weren’t forthright.”

Why commissioner Rob Manfred gave immunity to players:

“I think he went in and said, ‘If I don’t get to the bottom of it, and I don’t hear exactly what’s going on, we will be chasing this forever.’ I think his No. 1 mission was, ‘I got to know what is going on.’ Because there were rumblings. There were other teams doing what the Astros were doing, the Red Sox, and everything else that was going on with different teams. So he’s got to get to the bottom of it. The only way he was going to get to the bottom of it was to give players immunity. ‘Tell me what you know, I need to know, you’re not going to be punished.’ He got the information. And I think it’s greater than any of us expected."

On other teams cheating:

“They’re not the only club doing things. They’re the only club banging on a trash can, which I still don’t get.”

On whether the World Series title of 2017 should be stripped from Houston:

“I didn’t at first think it was that bad, because I don’t think we realized how deep this runs. Now, I think they may have to take away the trophy. I’m always under the ilk of, ‘I watched Reggie Bush be the greatest running back in college football that I saw.’ You can take sides on all you want. I saw it. He was great. This is different in that you play a championship season, and we focus on the World Series, but do they become this team, this juggernaut, that blasts through 100 wins if they’re not getting pitches. It just lessens the whole thing of getting there, let alone winning it... you got there because of it. That, to me, is, if this happens and he takes it away that would be the reasoning in mind behind.”

On how fans will treat the Houston Astros:

“There’s going to be retribution regardless. I don’t know if guys are going to throw at them. But from a fan standpoint, they’re going to be greeted rudely. I remember A-Rod coming back to Seattle and fans throwing money at the field, remember that?”

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