On today’s episode:

• Helene Cooper, who covers the Pentagon for The New York Times.

• Luis Elizondo, an intelligence officer who led the program inside the Pentagon.

Background reading:

• Glowing auras and “black money”: the Pentagon’s mysterious U.F.O. program.

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