Amateur battery test report and two example results:

Are there any compatible batteries for Jolla Phone?





Disclaimer: Jolla does not suggest using any other than official Jolla batteries on Jolla Phone. Instead they are warning about possible dangers to both the user and to the phone. Even that the batteries introduced in this post fit into the phone and meet the specs in paper, there are differences which might affect on usability, safety and hardware functionality on the phone. Test on your own responsibility.



After that said, well, you know I wouldn't write this if there were supported spare batteries available somewhere. I've followed the problem for a while, and even that some Sailors have been helpful, it was never enough to find one. So I put up this amateur test.



Ok, I'm still standing and I HAVE all my hair. I almost lost a few while browsing through 160 000 lines of logs. Also, I'm still looking for a spare battery. I hope my post helps you in your tests, please comment if it did or not.



1. Testing conditions

5 Batteries tested:

New official Jolla battery. Delivered 9 months ago, had 48% of charge left when attached (the third time ever)

Delivered 9 months ago, had 48% of charge left when attached (the third time ever) "compatible" Polarcell battery for HTC Desire 310, 3.8V 2100mAh . New, just arrived, had 56% of juice after delivery

. New, just arrived, had 56% of juice after delivery "compatible" Gold battery for HTC Desire 310, 3.8V 2450mAh . New, just arrived, had 38% of juice after delivery

. New, just arrived, had 38% of juice after delivery 2 used official Jolla batteries for comparison. Both used for 20-21 months The two "compatibles", Polarcell and Gold, are exactly right sized and have the correct voltages (3.8V / max 4.35V) in their specs, giving an idea they might be at least safe to try.

Safety in charging: I started with charging all batteries full, following the process via SSH session (Linux terminal, command "upower --monitor-detail") and using external meter for voltage, checking if the values on phone would match (they did not, but they were close enough regarding safety). I kept an eye on the surface temperature too.



And to be sure: I let the fully charged batteries to cool down, leaving them in room temperature for four days (96 hours). This way I wanted to make sure I start with 5 comparable batteries, all the chemicals and electrons are "settled down" and temperatures exactly the same.



All my tests took place in room temperature.





Equipment:

External meter "Powerfix Profi". I used it for voltage testing, plugging it to battery pins of the phone with two thin wires.

Jolla Phone, always rebooted in between, airplane mode on, display FORCED ON* with full brightness

Common temperature meter for (unreliable) surface temperature metering *Display can be forced on with terminal command "mcetool --set-demo-mode=on". Mce tools can be installed on Jolla with command "pkcon install mce-tools".

Sailfish OS apps in this order:

Settings (just to ensure the airplane mode is on)

(just to ensure the airplane mode is on) Sysmon (OpenRepos)

(OpenRepos) Hunger Meter (Jolla Store)

(Jolla Store) Charge Monitor (Jolla Store), which I set on logging right after launching it

Note on conditions: I planned this test considering normal usage pattern of a spare battery: Sometimes left staying fully charged, sometimes changed into the phone. For this purpose I always started the discharge tests from reboot and put the apps running before starting logging. This way, my capacity results are hopefully close to the actual usage pattern of spare batteries.



2. Charging test

The two new batteries were charged only once since they arrived. The new official Jolla battery has been waiting on my shelf for almost 9 months, so it had already lost some of the factory charge, and maybe some potential as well, but for that this was only the third charge. Two "compatibles" were fresh arrivals. The used Jolla batteries are both used for 20-21 months in two different phones.





First problem found was that SoC (Qualcomm) in the phone didn't give correct readings for temperature for either Polarcell or Gold battery, and also the voltage reading differed, within the error limits for all other batteries, but way off with Gold.



I assume that the Gold battery was the only one which Jolla didn't manage to charge fully. Charging of that ended between 86% - 89% battery reading on Jolla, and also the external voltage meter confirmed it was not even close to full.

Voltage Voltage (full, SoC) metered Voltage (empty, SoC) metered Jolla (new) 4.32 4.30 3.48 3.48 Jolla 2 4.33 4.30 3.56 3.55 Jolla 3 4.33 4.32 3.56 3.52 Polarcell 4.30 4.30 3.50 3.50 Gold 3.98 4.09 3.49 3.55

Charging test ended with measuring the exact voltages from each battery taken out of the phone, then leaving them for four days and measuring the voltage again.



Safety note on charging: Do not test unknown batteries without monitoring the temperature, and do the testing in safe place. Make sure the battery specs meet the requirements (3.8V / max 4.35V) and that the battery has a safety circuit preventing overcharging.



Jolla's metering seems to be tuned for official Jolla battery, and any other batteries might give wrong readings for voltage and/or temperature, in the worst case overcharging a battery. In my test I didn't run into overheating or overcharging with any of the batteries tested.



3. Discharge test

During 4 days of rest, none of the batteries had lost remarkable amount of energy. Before the discharge I checked the voltages with an external meter, and the loss compared to freshly charged batteries was typical, from 4.25V to about 4.20V. Gold had different loss, metered from fresh 4.09 to 4.02V after the "rest"



The chart below, showing voltage over time, has been logged by Kimmoli's Charge Monitor app. Gold curve is placed manually for comparable view, as it was never charged to full:



The best: New official Jolla battery (blue curve) was able to run these four apps on full screen brightness for almost 5 hours. It shutted down just 4 minutes before reaching that "milestone". Please test with your phone, if you can arrange the same conditions.



Quite close: Polarcell "compatible" didn't loose by many minutes, but note the differences on voltage readings in the phone (unsteady yellow curve). By the way, the external charger showed much more steady readings (variance 0.3V) during the whole discharge, suggesting... what?



Used Jolla batteries (green and red curve) were steady on Jolla's internal metering, but both of them caused on automatic shutdown with higher voltage than any of the new batteries. The phone turned off when they reached 3.56V, percentage still showing 2% like for all the others. This might simply relate to the loss in capacity, Jolla leaving this way enough of emergency spare into the batteries.



The most unsteady violet curve belongs to Gold. Jolla showed 81% for that in the beginning, as it was never charged full, so I placed the curve accordingly. Also for Gold the external meter showed a bit more steady readings, but with some variance (varying within 0.05V) and constantly bigger readings (about +0.1V)



Notes on discharge test: Jolla uses trigger values to stop charging and to shut down the phone. Unsteady readings might trigger these actions earlier. Pick your batteries from quality manufacturers to avoid any loss in battery life because of this.



4. Temperature (note the SAFETY)

As I mentioned earlier, either Polarcell or Gold couldn't deliver correct temperature readings for Jolla phone. This is probably caused by different temperature chip on the batteries, not readable by current software on Sailfish OS.



This is a safety issue, as any smartphone should be able to slow down it's processing, and even shut down, based on too low/high battery temperature. On these two batteries (Polarcell, Gold) Jolla seems to have no idea how warm they are.



However, in normal use and normal conditions the batteries should work on acceptable temperature. Any overheating is most commonly caused by damage on the battery itself, added by a bad charger or a very extreme usage pattern like shooting a long video in direct sunlight while the charger is connected. Maybe avoid such extreme sports :)

Rule of thumb: When it's hot for you, it's even hotter for electric equipment. Also make sure you battery is always undamaged 5. Resistance

Resistance tests were performed using Jolla Phone csd tools for diagnostics. Tool can be launched simply by writing "csd" in terminal. I tested all batteries in their maximum charge, charger unplugged, and in their minimum charge just before automatic shutdown. I disconnected the external meter during these tests, as it would affect on the resistance if kept connected.



All five batteries did quite well on this. To my surprise, the new official battery failed in the test after its first full charge. I wasn't nearly as surprised when the Gold failed later, when it was very close to empty. But both these batteries failed only by a bit.





As these readings are rather small, it's better to show a table as well. Red values for FAIL (limit on those is set to 0.80):

Resistance α (start) α (end) β (start) β (end) Ϭ² (start) Ϭ² (end) Jolla (new) -0.18 -0.15 4.29 3.61 0.96 0.79 Jolla 2 -0.18 -0.26 4.29 3.50 0.92 0.81 Jolla 3 -0.18 -0.21 4.31 3.65 0.87 0.93 Polarcell -0.19 -0.19 4.30 3.55 0.91 0.94 Gold -0.21 -0.22 4.16 3.60 0.79 0.94

Jolla does not suggest using any other than official Jolla batteries on Jolla Phone. Instead they are warning about possible dangers to both the user and to the phone. Even that the batteries introduced in this post fit into the phone and meet the specs in paper, there are differences which might affect on usability, safety and hardware functionality on the phone. Test on your own responsibility.After that said, well, you know I wouldn't write this if there were supported spare batteries available somewhere. I've followed the problem for a while, and even that some Sailors have been helpful, it was never enough to find one. So I put up this amateur test.Ok, I'm still standing and I HAVE all my hair. I almost lost a few while browsing through 160 000 lines of logs. Also, I'm still looking for a spare battery. I hope my post helps you in your tests, please comment if it did or not.: I started with charging all batteries full, following the process via SSH session (Linux terminal, command ") and using external meter for voltage, checking if the values on phone would match (they did not, but they were close enough regarding safety). I kept an eye on the surface temperature too.I let the fully charged batteries to cool down, leaving them in room temperature for four days (96 hours). This way I wanted to make sure I start with 5 comparable batteries, all the chemicals and electrons are "settled down" and temperatures exactly the same.All my tests took place in room temperature.During my discharge tests I always attached a fully charged battery, booted the phone (already on airplane mode, display setting brightest) and started fourin this order:I planned this test considering normal usage pattern of a spare battery: Sometimes left staying fully charged, sometimes changed into the phone. For this purpose I always started the discharge tests from reboot and put the apps running before starting logging. This way, my capacity results are hopefully close to the actual usage pattern of spare batteries.The two new batteries were charged only once since they arrived. The new official Jolla battery has been waiting on my shelf for almost 9 months, so it had already lost some of the factory charge, and maybe some potential as well, but for that this was only the third charge. Two "compatibles" were fresh arrivals. The used Jolla batteries are both used for 20-21 months in two different phones.Green values are taken in the very end of charging, charger connected. Red values are after later discharge. All the five batteries started to charge ok.First problem found was that SoC (Qualcomm) in the phonefor either Polarcell or Gold battery, and, within the error limits for all other batteries, but way off with Gold.I assume that the Gold battery was the only one which Jolla didn't manage to charge fully. Charging of that ended between 86% - 89% battery reading on Jolla, and also the external voltage meter confirmed it was not even close to full.Charging test ended with measuring the exact voltages from each battery taken out of the phone, then leaving them for four days and measuring the voltage again.Do not test unknown batteries without monitoring the temperature, and do the testing in safe place. Make sure the battery specs meet the requirements (3.8V / max 4.35V) and that the battery has a safety circuit preventing overcharging.Jolla's metering seems to be tuned for official Jolla battery, and any other batteries might give wrong readings for voltage and/or temperature, in the worst case overcharging a battery. In my test I didn't run into overheating or overcharging with any of the batteries tested.During 4 days of rest, none of the batteries had lost remarkable amount of energy. Before the discharge I checked the voltages with an external meter, and the loss compared to freshly charged batteries was typical, from 4.25V to about 4.20V. Gold had different loss, metered from fresh 4.09 to 4.02V after the "rest"The chart below, showing voltage over time, has been logged by Kimmoli's Charge Monitor app. Gold curve is placed manually for comparable view, as it was never charged to full:The best:(blue curve) was able to run these four apps on full screen brightness for almost 5 hours. It shutted down just 4 minutes before reaching that "milestone". Please test with your phone, if you can arrange the same conditions.Quite close:didn't loose by many minutes, but note the differences on voltage readings in the phone (unsteady yellow curve). By the way, the external charger showed much more steady readings (variance 0.3V) during the whole discharge, suggesting... what?(green and red curve) were steady on Jolla's internal metering, but both of them caused on automatic shutdown with higher voltage than any of the new batteries. The phone turned off when they reached 3.56V, percentage still showing 2% like for all the others. This might simply relate to the loss in capacity, Jolla leaving this way enough of emergency spare into the batteries.The most unsteady violet curve belongs toJolla showed 81% for that in the beginning, as it was never charged full, so I placed the curve accordingly. Also for Gold the external meter showed a bit more steady readings, but with some variance (varying within 0.05V) and constantly bigger readings (about +0.1V)Jolla uses trigger values to stop charging and to shut down the phone. Unsteady readings might trigger these actions earlier. Pick your batteries from quality manufacturers to avoid any loss in battery life because of this.As I mentioned earlier, either Polarcell or Gold couldn't deliver correct temperature readings for Jolla phone. This is probably caused by different temperature chip on the batteries, not readable by current software on Sailfish OS.This is a safety issue, as any smartphone should be able to slow down it's processing, and even shut down, based on too low/high battery temperature.However, in normal use and normal conditions the batteries should work on acceptable temperature. Any overheating is most commonly caused by damage on the battery itself, added by a bad charger or a very extreme usage pattern like shooting a long video in direct sunlight while the charger is connected. Maybe avoid such extreme sports :)Resistance tests were performed using Jolla Phone csd tools for diagnostics. Tool can be launched simply by writing "csd" in terminal. I tested all batteries in their maximum charge, charger unplugged, and in their minimum charge just before automatic shutdown. I disconnected the external meter during these tests, as it would affect on the resistance if kept connected.All five batteries did quite well on this. To my surprise, the new official batteryin the test after its first full charge. I wasn't nearly as surprised when the Gold failed later, when it was very close to empty. But both these batteries failed only by a bit.As these readings are rather small, it's better to show a table as well. Red values for FAIL (limit on those is set to 0.80):

6. Capacity

Usable capacity Discharge time energy* (J) design (mAh) measured (mAh) Jolla (new) 4h 56min 21042 2100 1522 Jolla 2 4h 02min 17728 2100 1285 Jolla 3 4h 19min 19056 2100 1382 Polarcell 4h 39min 21862 2100 1595 Gold 3h 09min 20486 2450 1538

* Energy (J) is calculated using data logged by Charge Monitor app. The formula is quite easy: voltage(V)*current(A)*discharge time(s)

7. In the end

8. Conclusion

Just forget it. Cat's gold.

Would I recommend? For careful use, knowing about the missing temperature, ok for temporary need I guess.

Is it safe? Well, I do trust at least on the safety circuit on this battery. If I had to take a spare for travel, it might be this, while no better options have been found yet.

Vote on TJC. Contact them. You know. They do listen.

Calling Sailors for both options - they should know the chip at least.

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and 2 used ones to add to the comparison. This post does not only share my test results, but hopefully also guides you in the sail for compatible spare battery for Jolla Phone. Unfortunately I didn't run into one 100% compatible yet - but on the other hand, even a new official Jolla battery failed on one test. There are also related safety issues, so please read before starting your own tests.Worth a read? Please share:Instead of traditional "specs capacity" (blue), let's see how much energy each of the tested batteries can actually deliver to the user (red).Now before going into that, please note that smartphone batteries are not designed to deliver their full specs capacity. Typically there's about 20% of spare capacity left for emergency use, allowing for example long emergency calls with seemingly empty battery, or keeping an empty battery alive when stored. Another 0% to 20% (to even more) is reduced by time and use. This is most visible in my two used Jolla batteries, but might have some affect even on freshly delivered batteries.Let's start from the worst...reports capacity of 2450 mAh in its specs. Jolla was not able to charge it full, and the usable capacity was left to 1538 mAh (). Also in my test, Gold battery delivered 20kJ of energy for the bright display and the four apps in just 3 hours and 9 minutes. Jumping voltage readings might play a role on such bad battery life, but the true capacity remains as a secret as the battery was never charged full.- my own battery has seen some consumption during 21 months. It was still capable to run those apps and keep the display on for 4 hours and 2 minutes, delivering 1285mAh (of specs). Consumption was much lower compared to Gold battery, so this used Jolla battery beat the Gold in battery life even having less capacity.- my wife's battery has seen some use as well. Her battery performed 15 minutes longer than mine on the same usage pattern, delivering 1381mAh (First good result was reached with freshly arrivedbattery. Those apps run for 4 hours 40 minutes, and battery carried 1595 usable mAh's (). The consumption was slightly higher compared to Jolla batteries, probably due to jumping readings (see discharge curve)The best. The one we want.managed to reach 1522mAh (). That's less usable capacity than what Polarcell had, yes, but the steady quality kept the consumption down, leaving Jolla to run those apps for almost full 5 hours.I wanted to show actual, usable energy stored on a spare battery. My test included: Battery has been laying fully charged for 4 days (-2% to -3%). Measuring was started only after boot (- 1% to -2%). Emergency energy is left there ( about -20%). And additionally, nine months of unused time for the new official spare might have reduced the max capacity. I didn't store it in refrigeratorI'm supposed to have 5 batteries left now, with only the emergency energy in them. I'm afraid to test the amount of that energy, as I might kill the batteries.Voltages on the empty batteries vary, and I can't be sure how much my Jolla has left for each. Haha, this really makes the whole capacity topic quite unreliable, added by the fact that Jolla didn't read voltages right on all the batteries. But at least the results are directional, I hope.Please read on considering this is just my opinion:- Just forget it. Jolla can't read it's voltage right. Jolla don't know it's temperature. Build quality seems awful, causing at least higher consumption if not something more. Is it even safe? While the voltage readings are not correct, there's a risk of accidental wrong charge - so users must trust on the safety circuit. And what if that doesn't have decent build quality either...- Not 100% compatible due to missing temperature readings. Build quality seems decent, but not as good as the official batteries, looking at those slightly jumping voltage readings. This battery shows very high usable capacity (3%-5% larger than official battery), but also about 8% higher consumption, in the end resulting as slightly shorter battery life compared to a new official battery.- Yes please! But where and when? I've heard that Jolla is nowadays a software company.- The hunt goes on. For safety reasons I'd love if someone runs into a battery with the same (or supported) temperature chip, or Jolla's Sailfish OS to be updated to understand Polarcell's chip as well. Would be nice!Jolla does not suggest using any other than official Jolla batteries on Jolla Phone. Instead they are warning about possible dangers to both the user and to the phone. Even that the batteries introduced in this post fit into the phone and meet the specs in paper, there are differences which might affect on usability, safety and hardware functionality on the phone. Test on your own responsibility.Share and Shout! Your friends might read it.By:Sources: This is original, but inspired by TJC: Compatible spare battery Published: 2015-09-03 09:43 UTCUpdated: 13:00 UTC