Kaif said: ok so name me 10 zard sets now and tell me why zard is not banned. According to you, KyuB had these sets which made him a "nightmare" to predict. EVERY pokemon has sets that can be used, whether it has 10 or 20. Number of sets do not make the pokemon unbalanced. If that was the case, I don't see OU players saying "oh ban greninja because it can slap on a z-move and ohko its checks." Click to expand...

Kaif said: ok so name me 10 zard sets now and tell me why zard is not banned. Click to expand...

Kaif said: Number of sets do not make the pokemon unbalanced. If that was the case, I don't see OU players saying "oh ban greninja because it can slap on a z-move and ohko its checks." Click to expand...

This isn't a good post Kaif.Let's have some fun, shall we? Consulting the Pokepaste for guidance, let's see if we can somehow stretch Charizard into having 10 or 20 sets. (If you're thinking "Elo did this!” take a look at his list again.)1. Dragon Dance Charizard X (with Flare Blitz, Outrage, and Sub / Will-o / Counter)2. Belly Drum Charizard X3. Flame Charge Charizard X. Maybe with SD or something. That's probably a set, right? Is it different enough to be separate from 1? Yeah, I guess.4. Max physically defensive / specially defensive Counter Charizard X without setup moves. Not everyone is Generation VI deg but I imagine someone still uses this sort of thing.5. Charizard Y with Blast Burn and Solar Beam and some combination of Air Slash, Hidden Power Electric, and Flame Charge... oh wait that's pretty much its only set, with some EV spread shenanigans obviously.6. Okay I guess there's also a universe where Charizard Y sets with Rock Tomb and/or Will-o-Wisp and/or Counter are a thing. Okay.So therefore Charizard has fewer sets than Kyurem-B... even though it has two different formes with different offensive emphases.Well, I couldn't name 10 Charizard sets... does that mean I now have to argue why Charizardbe banned? And what does this have to do with Kyurem-B?Oh, I see. I don't claim to know anything about OU but I would imagine opportunity cost plays a big role here. The reason why we can list Kyurem-B's sets and call them all viable is that they lose very few of the main things a generic Kyurem-B is supposed to counter. Greninja (I would imagine) lacks the power to take out stuff it normally would if it starts running Poisonium Z or something. I don't know. But it's not like running something bizarre like "Mixed Dragonium Z + Laser Focus" makes you lose the ability to beat Donphan and Golem.I'm not articulating this super well, but I hope you all understand why "any Pokemon can run 10 sets" isn't an argument. First of all, they can't, usually; second of all, even if they could, they're not as good as Kyurem-B's 10 sets.edit: I realized that the whole "the same moves with a different EV spread isn't a new set" thing is a little bit subjective. I'm sorry if I presented it like fact. The thing is that if you do include the same moves with a different EV spread, it gives a bunch of new sets toPokemon, so whether or not I made this distinction was pretty irrelevant, but I did it here to make the best possible comparison with Elo's sets.